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[QUOTE=GDreams;2672312]So yesterday the Trump apologists were advocating Russian oil to be sanctioned and today Biden is Putin's puppet for doing exactly that.

Trump was the one showing weakness, kowtowing to Putin at every opportunity, taking no action over cyber attacks, screwing over Ukraine on military aid, having Rudy cosy up to the Russian disinformation bureau in search for Hunter dirt because he was so reviled by the American people he was grasping at every straw to be reelected, and his sanctions were having no effect on Nord Stream 2 completion just like his ineffective Iran sanctions. Yep he really showed Putin how successful he was in putting his puppet in power in 2016.

So basically unless the US is prepared to go into open warfare over Ukraine there is little Biden can do apart from making it as costly as possible for the Russian people and the ruling elite. In this he has been very successful in banding together a coalition to put in place crippling restriction on Russia, something Trump would never have achieved as Iran sanctions proved. Europe better work overtime to shore up alternative energy supplies and buy lots of warm clothing for next winter. After that they will be in good position to give Putin's energy the finger and not make the same mistake again of becoming reliant on him.[/QUOTE]Outstanding post that summarizes the relevant issues extremely well.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2672324]Another whacko Republican who has absolutely no idea how intelligence is gathered and how intelligence is turned into propaganda. Connecting the dots is simple but it isn't simple for the simple-minded.

Russians wanted to understand what shape the US was in prior to invasion. They heard daily from moronic Republicans and their stooges in the US that "Biden is incompetent". So, the Russian intelligence gathering apparatus said that yes, the US President is weak. Then, the propaganda folks took over and said "Hey, if the intelligence folks think that Biden is weak, it must be true and we can use this to our advantage to snooker our own folks.

There you have it. Simple. Republicans lied and the Russians believed it because they wanted to. Simple, but not for the simple-minded. But sure, try to spin it and then talk about "competence tests", a stolen election and Biden not running things on a day-to-day basis.[/QUOTE]It's ironic indeed the same folks pushing the stolen election silliness that was laughed out of 60 courts talking about "mental competence. " Elvis is one of those.

Not that anyone cares about his third world shithole, but it gives us some insight into the sort of people who are rooting for Putin.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-27-22/h_b2ead409d34681d2bd17cd7e29bce505[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2672324]Another whacko Republican who has absolutely no idea how intelligence is gathered and how intelligence is turned into propaganda. Connecting the dots is simple but it isn't simple for the simple-minded.

Russians wanted to understand what shape the US was in prior to invasion. They heard daily from moronic Republicans and their stooges in the US that "Biden is incompetent". So, the Russian intelligence gathering apparatus said that yes, the US President is weak. Then, the propaganda folks took over and said "Hey, if the intelligence folks think that Biden is weak, it must be true and we can use this to our advantage to snooker our own folks.

There you have it. Simple. Republicans lied and the Russians believed it because they wanted to. Simple, but not for the simple-minded. But sure, try to spin it and then talk about "competence tests", a stolen election and Biden not running things on a day-to-day basis.[/QUOTE]No lies from Republicans. Putin dealt with Obama and Biden previously. He knew how stupid and incompetent Biden was in Obama first term. And it wasn't propaganda. It was the truth and has been proved over and over again in the last 13 months. Maybe the weakest president in history. Putin knows it and the world knows it. Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and other rogue countries are in their glory with Biden destruction of USA. Unfortunately it doesn't take much intelligence to see Biden incompetence but some people don't have intelligence as shown by the writer of the post I am replying to.

[QUOTE=Canada;2672307]Russia bans Russia oil 3 or 4 weeks to late actually funding Putin war with over a billion dollars. Oil prices were at $128 a barrel and a day after banning Russia oil the price went down to $119 a barrel so another good lie from you today. Oil prices were set to skyrocket on Biden first day of office with his executive orders. He was warned but he did not listen. Gas prices hit over $4 a gallon well before Russian oil sanctions. Just another lie from you. Amazing that you would be dumb enough to think that even one person would believe your lie.[/QUOTE]And yet the following web site, shows the price of most oil up, not down. [URL]https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/[/URL]#prices.

I know, it is all "fake news", right? Because FUX "News" or the Orange Buffoon didn't say it.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2672347]I presume you are making a joke or mocking Biden. There isn't a same person who would believe your joke.[/QUOTE]The cry of the American idiot: "Everything is 'fake news' unless I say it is true. "ROFL.

Voters believe Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine under Trump. Logic agrees.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/voters-believe-putin-wouldn-t-have-invaded-ukraine-under-trump-logic-agrees/ar-AAUPIdN[/URL]

But logic is still not so important for a lot of people, which is actually sad. If you want to debate with the logic, please read thru the article first. Thank you guys.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2672366]Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them:

[B]Job openings above 11 million, nearly 5 million more than total unemployment[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/09/jolts-january-2022.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/hispanic-tv-launch-democrats/2022/03/09/id/1060385/[/URL]

Why do people feel compelled to make this about Trump or Biden (as if)? This is about the neoliberal world order trying to break Russia like it's been trying to break the other recalcitrant countries, the sovereign states that refuse to submit to dollar hegemony. There are high stakes being played here, and if the US imperium is checked, there are going to be some mighty butthurt people -- the ones holding US $ specifically. Anyone looking forward to spending the next twenty years broke and trapped in the homeland? At least you'd have foreigners in your neighborhood and towns with hard currency, and you'd get to see the American women you're so critical of trying to learn a few phrases of Russian or Chinese, something along the lines of 'me fucky sucky long time'.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2672370]Well, then I guess you and all the people in North Dakota are simply helpless, hopeless and have no choice but to pay $6 per gallon of gas for a while since none of you can walk to the market, the mall, to a movie theater or a restaurant, can't ride a bike, can't buy a bike, impossible to find any EV in your city, county or state, no electrical outlets, not even a hamster running in a wheel, nothing, must get into a car to do anything and everything in your lives.

Sorry. Maybe you all should move to New York City, San Francisco or some other big, well run city with, you know, useful mass transportation systems.[/QUOTE]Wait until the GOP makes TV spots for the midterms about this.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/09/exclusive-footage-private-schools-nation-wide-implementing-race-essentialist-curricula-trained-by-black-panther/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gino02;2672466]Voters believe Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine under Trump. Logic agrees.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/voters-believe-putin-wouldn-t-have-invaded-ukraine-under-trump-logic-agrees/ar-AAUPIdN[/URL]

But logic is still not so important for a lot of people, which is actually sad. If you want to debate with the logic, please read thru the article first. Thank you guys.[/QUOTE]I read that and didn't see any "logic" applied to his conclusion. Only "precedent."

See, applying "logic" to it based on all blatantly obvious evidence, one can only logically conclude the reason is what intelligent, well informed people have been saying; because Trump was doing such a bang up job working to accomplish Putin's goals anyway.

BTW, his use of Haley's "don't look at what Trump "tried" to do, look at what he did" argument is bullshit because Todd did list things Trump "did".

Trump "did" secretly refuse to enforce the sanctions against Russia for his chemical attack.

Trump "did" deny and delay military aid to Ukraine.

Trump didn't just "try" to do those things. He did them both until he got busted and was forced to stop helping Putin.

I saw that interview too. That was the one where Haley twice said we were "taking" money from evil dictators when we buy oil from them. Uh. Ok.

Yes, she apparently meant "giving" money to them but misspoke and totally flubbed her practiced and rehearsed talking point. Twice.

I notice no clip of her doing that as evidence of her declining cognitive capabilities has gone viral anywhere nor shown up on anyone's favorite winger blog.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2672466]Voters believe Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine under Trump. Logic agrees.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/voters-believe-putin-wouldn-t-have-invaded-ukraine-under-trump-logic-agrees/ar-AAUPIdN[/URL]

But logic is still not so important for a lot of people, which is actually sad. If you want to debate with the logic, please read thru the article first. Thank you guys.[/QUOTE]They pretty much agree with what the financial world says also. Putin saw how incompetent Biden was in Afghanistan and how he tried to kill the domestic energy with cancelling pipelines and drilling that it was a no brained for him to invade Ukraine. Amazing that 38% of democrats agree on this.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2672436]And yet the following web site, shows the price of most oil up, not down. [URL]https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/[/URL]#prices.

I know, it is all "fake news", right? Because FUX "News" or the Orange Buffoon didn't say it.[/QUOTE]Oil is $109 one day after Biden puts sanctions on Russia. Stock market reacts by going up over 600 points. Your news is fake news as usual.

Surprise, surprise, surprise. It turns out Putin and "conservative" Repubs have the same political and economic goals.

Therefore, historically lazy Do Nothing, Deadbeat Repubs have for years been only too happy to simply recite Putin's talking points for it rather than put any work into it on their own:

[B]"Why are Republicans using Putins talking points? This study helps explain. - The Washington Post" [/B][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/why-are-republicans-using-putins-talking-points-this-study-helps-explain/[/URL].

I presume at least some of you wingers had no idea the words coming out of the mouths of Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and your Repub Representative and Senator originated in the Kremlin and are now horrified to discover how thoroughly you were scammed and suckered into doing the bidding for America's enemies in how you vote and so on.

But you're probably not.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2672370]Well, then I guess you and all the people in North Dakota are simply helpless, hopeless and have no choice but to pay $6 per gallon of gas for a while since none of you can walk to the market, the mall, to a movie theater or a restaurant, can't ride a bike, can't buy a bike, impossible to find any EV in your city, county or state, no electrical outlets, not even a hamster running in a wheel, nothing, must get into a car to do anything and everything in your lives.

Sorry. Maybe you all should move to New York City, San Francisco or some other big, well run city with, you know, useful mass transportation systems.[/QUOTE]No one in North Dakota is that stupid. They are republicans not socialists.