Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3066456]I get your question meaning why not tell them they can't go? Because that would be a violation of their rights and frankly no one cares any country would love it if their sex offenders hopped a plane and went else where so actually the Government kinda wants the sex offender to go elsewhere and if they fuck up they'the gladly allow the host government to send them straight to a third world dungeon. Hope this Helps.

Trip.[/QUOTE]No, that doesn't help. Let me see now. So, the government can tell a guy who's in arrears on his child support that he can't travel? Can even take away his passport? But it can't impose the same kind of restriction on a sex offender because that would violate his rights? Oh boo hoo! I don't give a rat's ass about his right to travel and neither should anyone else. If Uncle Sam can stop deadbeat dads from traveling, it can stop sex offenders from traveling too. But once again, Americans are far too concerned with their rights and self expression, and not concerned enough with their obligations and self restraint!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3066396]Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. Keep in mind that this does not include the cases that people have not reported due to being ashamed or not wanting to brave the language barrier.[/QUOTE]Nice data presentation. It looks like their preferred prey is an American male out in public at night and early morning hours before sunrise. And it is about 50/50 that he will be scoped or held up with a heater. So, don't disclose American citizenship. One of the first questions the hoes ask is, "Where you from, Papacito?" Just say anywhere else except America or Mexico. LOL! Avoid the tourist areas and don't monger between sun down and sun up. Remain in a private area during hours of darkness, and you will be fine. Casas are not on the list of dangerous places.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3066396]Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. Keep in mind that this does not include the cases that people have not reported due to being ashamed or not wanting to brave the language barrier.[/QUOTE]Accurate about Belen. I stayed in Belen at Hotel Molinos for a week and it was a pleasant one compared to Poblado and downtown areas. It was a good middle class residential suburb, calmer and more authentic Colombian feel. Uber drivers even rolled down the windows so we could enjoy the weather and scenery while reassuring me that the area is safe. It is walkable to nearby casas, restaurants, and spas at least during the daytime.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3066396]Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. ...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the graphics. Interesting, but with an asterisk attached.

No surprise. Intuitively, all of us who know Medellin would imagine that outlying middle class neighborhoods removed from the nightlife action would be safer. And the first of your appended charts (on "Hurtos por Comuna" or "Thefts per Commune or Neighborhood") would, as you note, seem to confirm this to a dramatic degree.

But one needs more information to be able to interpret the graphic in a meaningful way. As is, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Are the numbers absolute numbers (like total thefts per year)? Or some ratio like thefts per 1000 residents? In either case, one needs to know the population of each Comuna to make sense of the numbers.

And also one has to take into account that, in addition to residents, the streets of El Centro, Poblado, and Laureles, are populated daily with an influx of thousands of visitors from outside their boundaries.

Taking all the above into account, the difference in the risk for any one individual of being robbed in Poblado or Laureles vs Belen may not be as dramatic (14 to 1) as implied by the graphic.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3066476]Nice data presentation. It looks like their preferred prey is an American male out in public at night and early morning hours before sunrise. And it is about 50/50 that he will be scoped or held up with a heater. So, don't disclose American citizenship. One of the first questions the hoes ask is, "Where you from, Papacito?" Just say anywhere else except America or Mexico. LOL! Avoid the tourist areas and don't monger between sun down and sun up. Remain in a private area during hours of darkness, and you will be fine. Casas are not on the list of dangerous places.[/QUOTE]Colombians are not stupid. They know who they can prey upon without having to ask them where they're from.

Looking to visit March time next year and reports on here are great, much appreciated.

A report mentioned setting up a Fbook page to connect with girls.

I did this and it hasn't been successful so far, not sure if I've done something wrong or it's no longer a valid method.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3066396]Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. Keep in mind that this does not include the cases that people have not reported due to being ashamed or not wanting to brave the language barrier.[/QUOTE]That is not how you read those statistics. For example, if Poblado hypothetically hosts 20 times more foreign tourists than Belen but sees only 14 times more total crime, a tourist's individual risk is actually higher in Belen. Because Poblado's massive influx of visitors outpaces its volume of offenses, its tourist crime rate is only 70% of Belen's, meaning a traveler in Belen is 1.43 times more likely to encounter crime than one in Poblado.

Same when looking at what countries people originate from, if a massively larger amount of tourists come from the United States than, say, Mexico, then again, you can't just compare it based on the number of crimes against people from that country.

Result, more data is needed to make an accurate assessment.

OP. Thanks for posting the data. Interesting.

I agree with this analysis below. Absolute numbers without the context of the denominator can skew the perception. It would be reasonable to assume that there are 50 times more gringos in Poblado compared to Belen (may be even more). So if the absolute numbers, the crimes are 14 X then you are 75% less likely to be robbed or hurt in Poblado compared to Belen.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3066525]Thanks for the graphics. Interesting, but with an asterisk attached.

No surprise. Intuitively, all of us who know Medellin would imagine that outlying middle class neighborhoods removed from the nightlife action would be safer. And the first of your appended charts (on "Hurtos por Comuna" or "Thefts per Commune or Neighborhood") would, as you note, seem to confirm this to a dramatic degree.

But one needs more information to be able to interpret the graphic in a meaningful way. As is, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Are the numbers absolute numbers (like total thefts per year)? Or some ratio like thefts per 1000 residents? In either case, one needs to know the population of each Comuna to make sense of the numbers.

And also one has to take into account that, in addition to residents, the streets of El Centro, Poblado, and Laureles, are populated daily with an influx of thousands of visitors from outside their boundaries.

Taking all the above into account, the difference in the risk for any one individual of being robbed in Poblado or Laureles vs Belen may not be as dramatic (14 to 1) as implied by the graphic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3066476]Nice data presentation. It looks like their preferred prey is an American male out in public at night and early morning hours before sunrise. And it is about 50/50 that he will be scoped or held up with a heater. So, don't disclose American citizenship. One of the first questions the hoes ask is, "Where you from, Papacito?" Just say anywhere else except America or Mexico. LOL! Avoid the tourist areas and don't monger between sun down and sun up. Remain in a private area during hours of darkness, and you will be fine. Casas are not on the list of dangerous places.[/QUOTE]See, this is what I mean when one starts looking at statistics that are lacking key information. People then jump to conclusions that are not statistically correct or accurate in any way. These are not conclusions to go by. Without any actual data, I'm pretty sure the number one group that suffers the most from crimes are local Colombians themselves, because they are the largest population there. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that the largest amount of crimes occur in the most crowded locations.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3066433]I go on [URL]booking.com[/URL] and reserve a name brand hotel, then I print out the confirmation. Then I cancel the name brand hotel and stay wherever. They can check airline reservations but not hotels.[/QUOTE]This is the diamond in a rough type info when common sense has left the building. Thank you!

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3066590]See, this is what I mean when one starts looking at statistics that are lacking key information. People then jump to conclusions that are not statistically correct or accurate in any way. These are not conclusions to go by. Without any actual data, I'm pretty sure the number one group that suffers the most from crimes are local Colombians themselves, because they are the largest population there. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that the largest amount of crimes occur in the most crowded locations.[/QUOTE]I agree with what you and others have posted here. Not to mention, the crime committed in areas like Belen, El Centro and the Botero area especially at night go unreported.

It is part of the daily life there. I have been going to Medellin for the past 10 years or so, most of the girls I know have been robbed in those areas.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3066476]It looks like their preferred prey is an American male out in public at night and early morning hours before sunrise. And it is about 50/50 that he will be scoped or held up with a heater. So, don't disclose American citizenship. One of the first questions the hoes ask is, "Where you from, Papacito?" Just say anywhere else except America or Mexico. LOL![/QUOTE]I always say I am from Brazil, so maybe that is why I have never had any problems in centro or Santa Fe or anywhere else! Even in Brazil I say I am from Brazil. They say but your accent. I say I am from Salvador. Then they are like that explains it.

[QUOTE=Combo;3066440]From what I understand, they've never stopped anyone wearing a bow tie from entering.[/QUOTE]Too funny! Even if it's a clip on! LOLOLOL!

Hey guys. I'll be in Medellin 6/12 to 6/22 if anyone wants to split bottle costs at one of the strip clubs or Lleras clubs. I speak Spanish fluently. Message me if you'd like.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3066462]No, that doesn't help. Let me see now. So, the government can tell a guy who's in arrears on his child support that he can't travel? Can even take away his passport? But it can't impose the same kind of restriction on a sex offender because that would violate his rights? Oh boo hoo! I don't give a rat's ass about his right to travel and neither should anyone else. If Uncle Sam can stop deadbeat dads from traveling, it can stop sex offenders from traveling too. But once again, Americans are far too concerned with their rights and self expression, and not concerned enough with their obligations and self restraint![/QUOTE]Picking on deadbeat dads makes for better political theater, especially among female voters. It is also more profitable for the government, as it gets to collect interest payments on child support arrears. On the other hand, it only makes money off Weird Waldos when they are incarcerated and used for prison labor. Also, in some States, men end up on the list simply because they got drunk, relieved their bladder in public, and a woman happened to pass by and record them on a cellphone with their dick out for the cops. Taking a leak in public is not a crime punishable by imprisonment in Colombia. It is an administrative offense punishable by a fine in excess of COP $700,000. Homeless persons without access to public toilets are exempt from punitive fines. So, a person on the sex offender list because he "exposed himself" while taking a leak in public may not be considered an inadmissible alien in Colombia.