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I always say if you want to visit Medellin for the first time Go to the DR, Colombia is not a country for the clueless monger. That being said some of th newest mongers manage to figure it out all the time.[/QUOTE]If I would have gone to Colombia within the first year of mongering I would be dead. Glad I tried other spots first to get a feel for how the game goes.
[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072494]I wouldn't call that a "girlfriend", I would call that a "fling" or "friends-with-benefits". But, different words mean different things to different people. Like I wrote, that's something I think I could do here, I've done it before. But for me, that takes a lot more time and effort to find them and get them into bed, than the on-demand availability of a chica who is offering pay-for-play. Plus, it's been a while since I used to do that, so I would probably be rusty (and yes, a bit shy). I think I would be spending more time hunting on this short visit than fucking.
20-something me would totally be up for that challenge. But 40-something me, at least right now, is fine with paying for it instead. If I already had friends-with-benefits relationships set up here, like you do in the DR and other places, of course I could just jump right into that and not worry about trying to meet someone new.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072494]I wouldn't call that a "girlfriend", I would call that a "fling" or "friends-with-benefits". But, different words mean different things to different people.[/QUOTE]I wanted to respond to this post for a while but I could not organize what I was trying to say. I used [URL]seeking.com[/URL] to meet women back then and I guess you are using Tinder but what I did not really get is how swamped the women are on even on social media sites like seeking. I had a girl on seeking show me her phone and she got hundreds of messages but basically outside of maybe 2 or 3 guys it was a bunch of losers trying to con the woman into fucking her for free. She had a level head about her, and she was the rare woman who got what the guys were doing and we saw eye to eye. If I had told another woman that was the case, I might have gotten something like, "OOh, you are just jealous because I have gotten so much attention. "
Because women are on social media and getting so much attention from men, even men trying to scam them into bed, the ego inflation of women has been absolutely unreal. And the egos of men get sunk because so few women are interested in them. Because of all the attention they are getting, women who are 3's and 4's expect to be treated like 10's. Many women cannot tell the difference between men who want to marry them versus men who want to fuck them, and many are offended if you tell them the truth.
If I had to do it all over again, I would have used seeking as a base of women in Colombia and started setting up a network of women which I kind of did anyway. I have been listening to the Men of Action podcasts and seen how much evolutionary biology plays with regards to sexual desire and the same desirable physical traits were mapped out in culture after culture, and I do not have those traits. But there was one thing that trumps even that, and it is having other women desiring you, and I had that in spades. Before I committed to my gal, I told her that I had a trip with three other women. It seems like kind of a dick move to say, "Before I commit to you, I have made plans where I am going to be banging three hot girls for a week", but I really did not want to cancel. In fact, in hindsight, I think it was important to show her that I was desired by other women. In other words, I am happy in my life right now and if we do not work out, I am not going to be miserable going back to these women.
When I did the seeking meet and greets, I would put women into one in four categories: not interested, hookers, possible sugar baby, and ony one time did a girl make the GF / wife category (and that was not my current gal). Everyone gets the first two categories but what separates a SB or FWB from a GF is that you are a friendly acquaintance to them with few expectations outside of a little time or money. So they are always glad when you pop into see them versus a GF who expects you to want to spend time with them and has expectations like your being monogamous.
What I did not get on this forum is how many guys here are expats who are time rich and money anxious whereas working guys like me were more anxious about our time in Colombia versus money. Anyway, the sugar relationship was the type of relationship I preferred as there were far less demands on my time and much fewer expectations than a GF. The sugar babies had had no expectation of monogamy and knew I was fucking other women bare and while they may not have approved of it, they tolerated it.
In fact, if you can get women in your circle, you will attract other women who want to have sex with a woman in your circle. I did not get this at first but for many women having a threesome is different than their being a lesbian even if they are going down on another woman.
Thing is that if you play the social media game, it is inevitable that the women will have their egos lifted and the men have it depressed, but that is not real life. I met one Venezuelan girl in Mexico who was a stunning 10 type who modeled all over the world with 200,000+ instagram followers, and I was intimidated but in hindsight, I know now that I should have not been because she was dead ass broke. The pandemic left her without work.
It is such an American thing to be worried about what women want. In Colombia, I think you need to define what it is you want.
Unlike their American counterparts, it takes a lot of trust on the Colombian woman's part for them to gripe about men, and I think that is because there is no money or attention coming a Colombian's woman's way if she does so. It seems to be seen as a sign of weakness in Colombia for women to complain about men. I asked my gal's female relatives to make a joke about how I looked, and they would not do it.
Of all the husbands I had met, there was one I thought who had not cheated on his wife, and I just learned he has. I do not want to say it is okay to cheat but it is mostly tolerated.
At the work place, in Colombia, it is perfectly legal to put in a want ad where you say that you want skinny, attractive women under age 25 and have them attach a photo to their resume. Hell, if you even said part of the job is banging you the boss, I don't think that many women would reject the offer unless they were taken. It is legal to bang your employees in Colombia.
Thing is I get it. We all have been conditioned to treat women the Western way. You approach a woman the wrong way in the USA, she can put you on blast and ruin your reputation. It was almost a game in the Northern USA to see which sex could dump the best on the other. In contrast, do you know what the title was of Shakira's recent concert tour after she broke up with the father of her kids? Real women do not cry. They earn.
The real issue is men target the wrong Colombian women. Hookers and blue collar women are too short term oriented to understand a mutualistic relationship. It is the ones you think would not be open to an arrangement that are the prizes: the hot dentist, the lawyer with the low cut blouse, the medical student in her tight scrubs. If they are not taken, IMO most are open to an arrangement where you get to keep your sexual freedom and who have no expectations outside of being glad to see you when you are around.
Looking back at things, there were very few times I proposed an arrangement to a woman out in the wild and she turned it down, and I should have done it more than I did. I vastly underestimated how many of these stunning women are dead ass broke.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;3073815]2. Immigration does not care about any of us who are not flagged on sex offender or Interpol lists and are able to logically respond to routine questions without weirding out the agent.[/QUOTE]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.
[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3073839]If I would have gone to Colombia within the first year of mongering I would be dead. Glad I tried other spots first to get a feel for how the game goes.[/QUOTE]I went to Colombia for the first time in 1977 when I was 20 and my tour guide took me in the jungle in Iquitos to this little clearing with four like cabin type bars. I picked out a chica and she led me by a shelf where she picked up a blanket and a pillow. I was thinking we would then go to a room but was wondering logistically where those rooms could be. Then we went out the back door into the weeds and she threw down the blanket and pillow and we fucked right there in the aire libre. However and importantly, I had been fucking dominicana and boricua hookers in the NYC areas since I was fifteen so I was able to take it in stride.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3073849]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.[/QUOTE]I have dad dozens of trips to Colombia over the past 3 years and to no other country. However, I went to Tijuana a few weeks ago with friends and I got flagged when I tried to return. I told them I had Global Entry and and have been traveling for years. They said land entry was different. I went to a secondary office and they went through my things. I did not have a bag only a crossbody wallet.
When I was cleared I got a dirty look or mean mugged by one of the officers. What a bunch of assholes!
[QUOTE=Knowledge;3073815] Immigration does not care about any of us who are not flagged on sex offender or Interpol lists and are able to logically respond to routine questions without weirding out the agent.[/QUOTE]Those things would be checked more highly when coming into the country, not out. They want you caught ASAP. On the way out would most likely be drugs. It is ok for their country to bring tons of drugs into the USA but not for others to do the same.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3073849]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.[/QUOTE]You could have possibly been flagged by the ticket agent (unlikely but don't rule it out) or anyone along the line going in. Most likely you were flagged coming in to the country by immigration. They saw something about you and flagged you to be checked on your way out. If you match a stereotype: black, wear pants down you ass, man-bun, dreadlocks, hiphop clothing (bob Marley shirt especially), tattoos, piercings, bling bling, or you act scared / nervous when dealing with immigration.
Sometimes you just get the overzealous asshole agent. Was this through Florida or Miami? I always get shit there for some reason. I have a bullshit arrest over a decade ago but no conviction. Still got global entry.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3073849]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;3073815]1. Immigration does not care about any of us who are not flagged on sex offender or Interpol lists and are able to logically respond to routine questions without weirding out the agent.[/QUOTE]I do not provide this information to scare anyone or to seek sympathy. Rather, I want to give the board and its members the necessary context to make clear-cut decisions.
Many people believe that you can only get into trouble in Colombia over drugs or issues involving underage girls, but that is simply not the case. The importation of electronic devices in quantities that either Colombia or the United States deems "excessive" can trigger incredibly serious problems. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would wind up in a federal courthouse simply for bringing in electronics.
My reason for sharing this is to ensure the board is aware that the risks extend far beyond the obvious issues. Simple importation of electronic devices can land you in a situation so severe that you might actually find yourself wishing it had been drugs instead, because you will be trapped in the exact same criminal justice system—and they will make a massive case out of it.
Furthermore, you need to be cautious regarding the women in the WhatsApp groups. The USA Government will bring these individuals to the United States to testify, especially if they possess photos of you and can readily identify you. My advice is to frequently rotate the women you see; do not meet with the same person more than once or twice. Even if you like her, if she is a working girl, that dynamic alone provides enough leverage for her to betray you and testify that you traveled to the country for illegal purposes.
Do not take the risk. I am telling you this from personal experience, not from something I read. This is exactly how the USA And Colombian governments operate if you end up on their radar for anything—even something as simple as importing electronic devices. Stay Vigilant. PN!
So guys should not travel with laptops or phones, or are you referring to unusual quantities or types of electronics?
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3073932]I do not provide this information to scare anyone or to seek sympathy. Rather, I want to give the board and its members the necessary context to make clear-cut decisions.
Many people believe that you can only get into trouble in Colombia over drugs or issues involving underage girls, but that is simply not the case. The importation of electronic devices in quantities that either Colombia or the United States deems "excessive" can trigger incredibly serious problems. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would wind up in a federal courthouse simply for bringing in electronics.
My reason for sharing this is to ensure the board is aware that the risks extend far beyond the obvious issues. Simple importation of electronic devices can land you in a situation so severe that you might actually find yourself wishing it had been drugs instead, because you will be trapped in the exact same criminal justice systemand they will make a massive case out of it.[/QUOTE]
I think you can use the Global Entry card for land entry with your passport.
[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3073870]I have dad dozens of trips to Colombia over the past 3 years and to no other country. However, I went to Tijuana a few weeks ago with friends and I got flagged when I tried to return. I told them I had Global Entry and and have been traveling for years. They said land entry was different. I went to a secondary office and they went through my things. I did not have a bag only a crossbody wallet.
When I was cleared I got a dirty look or mean mugged by one of the officers. What a bunch of assholes![/QUOTE]
I was referring to Colombia immigration. Citizens can't be denied entry to the US but of course you can be investigated and prosecuted for any crimes.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3073849]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;3073975]So guys should not travel with laptops or phones, or are you referring to unusual quantities or types of electronics?[/QUOTE]Personally, based on my experience, I wouldn't travel with more than three cell phones, one laptop, and one or two tablets. Exceeding that limit could signal to the Colombian government that you are attempting to start a business. PN!
Honestly, I cannot tell you how many times I have met with different girls throughout Colombia and traded electronic devices for favors. I had no idea that bringing cell phones, tablets, or laptops into Colombia would trigger an international investigation. But yes, anything they deem excessive could be seen as an attempt to start an unlicensed business within their country, which can cause all kinds of regulatory repercussions.
What I'm saying is that, at one point, I could barter a cell phone or tablet in Medellin for almost anything I needed. Back then, they were as valuable as gold. If you had iPhones or Samsung Galaxies, you were holding pure gold. I'm pretty sure by this point the Colombian government was well aware of the value of these devices. That's likely one of the reasons they make it extremely difficult for ordinary Colombians to obtain high-end electronics, and why they make a point of prosecuting you if you're caught with an excessive amount. Stay Vigilant! PN!
[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3073819]Thanks for your input, Trip! I don't have a girlfriend in Medellin, it's more of a sugar-baby arrangement with a chica who really blurs the lines. while potentially being more sincere and natural, and less expensive, than being with Pros..[/QUOTE]This is why I love the place. Everyone can find some arrangements they like.
I maintained a 2 year detailed daily ledger comparing my peso burn rates when pursuing.
"non-pro" Colombianas versus other gray-area options and chicas of various perceived levels of promiscuity.
Savings Rate: Achieved only 2030% savings at best, and this was sustainable for just a few months.
Their attitude changes when they figure out there's no foreign visa or house on the hill in it for them.
[QUOTE=AlexDeuce;3073291]That has to be a currency miscommunication as go to the back is exactly 500.000 pesos $140, the girl gets 350.000 pesos $100, and the cashier takes the payment and remits to the girl or her house bank. If true $500 they got collided upon and jacked.[/QUOTE]I think it was the freelancers that got them for $500, not the chicks in Fase 2.