Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2365240]I sat at Hooters on Soi 4 Nana last night for about an hour. In that time I saw several different groups of Indian guys stop and speak to the street walkers outside. 1 group of 2 to 4 Indians guys would stand around 1 girl and all appear to negotiate with her. I saw this happen 3 or 4 times, none of them appeared to be successful as they all walked off empty handed.

I assumed one of 2 things happened. 1) They all tried to haggle very hard for 1 buddy to have a go or 2) They tried to haggle so the girl would do all of them?

Intrigued by what was going on I asked 1 of the sw's that just saw off a group of guys that was standing sort of in front of us "what was that all about? She just gave me a bit of a shrug and carried on whatever she was doing.

Anyone care to guess what the negotiations were?[/QUOTE]Many Indians who visit Thailand are cheap bastards. They would talk down to a girl and try to get a discount by saying she can have more business by doing the entire group, so they're entitled to a discount. Many girls don't like Indians because of this, and refuse to go with them.

[QUOTE=Tercar66;2365703]Hi friends,

I will be visiting Thailand after many years and will be staying only for 2 nights and staying at Mariott Marquis hotel. I believe Nana is 10 minutes drive from the hotel. I don't want to bring any street walker to a high end hotel like Mariott Marquis though I know that it is a girl friendly hotel. I would appreciate if someone could PM me or respond to this post on any pick up bars or pick up discos or nightclubs in walking distance from this hotel.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Tercar, You may have a valid reason for not wanting to take an SW back to a Marriott, but I am here to tell you that unless your wife and her family are in the same hotel or your uptight business colleagues or boss is staying there, there is no walk of shame and there is no reason on Earth for not taking advantage of all the amenities your upscale hotel provides and bringing back Thai hookers to your 4. 5 star hotel in BKK. Lots of them. Believe me, I have stayed in higher class hotels than the Marquis and I have never let that fact affect who or how many girls I bring back with me on any given night.

Here is a funny little story that might amuse you: last trip while I was staying at the Intercontinental (free on points) I brought back a heavily tattooed and I mean heavily tattooed, C cup + silly cone, Billboard girl. She is not my usual type, but this girl was the princess of the hot tub and so over the top sexually speaking that I had to have her. Twice. 555. The 1st night she was wearing very tight cut off jeans and a very reveling top that showed off her amazing cleavage and her breast & thigh tats. I just raised my head up proud and held her hand in mine as I walked through that super ornate, brightly lit, expansive lobby with my little sex pot by my side. Why wouldn't I be proud? LOL. You should have seen this girl dancing naked on the edge of the hot tub in Billboard Go Go. What a sight! She was so hot! AND so fucking outrageous. I loved being with her. And guess what? My victorious return to that glossy hotel with that little girl did not raise one eyebrow. The super attractive Thai hotel welcome door girls dressed in their glittering Thai traditional dress just smiled and said, "Welcome back, Sir." And I smiled and said, "sawasdee khrub." The tuxedo guy whose sole job, as far as I can tell, is to push the elevator button so guests don't have to, saluted me and I saluted him back.

The moral of my post is don't worry about what others think. Life is good. Enjoy BKK.

[QUOTE=Tercar66;2365703] I don't want to bring any street walker to a high end hotel like Mariott Marquis though I know that it is a girl friendly hotel.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you have your reasons as to why you don't want to, but if it is because you are worried about walking in / out with a provider and having the staff look down their noses at you then don't worry about that. This is a fine hotel and you are the guest and you be treated exceptionally well. In fact They may even be a little disappointed that you don't bring a ladies back.

Soi 22 is fairly entertaining. When I am staying on Soi 24 or nearby on Sukhumvit, I occasionally like to go to Soi 22 after midnight after I have had dinner with my Go Go girl of the evening and put her in a taxi back home. It is a lively soi late at night. There are plenty of small pick up bars and late night restaurants right outside the Marquis hotel as well as a number of small massage shops up and down Soi 22 and on the sub sois. I picked up a a very friendly hostess girl in Rumours Bar in Queens Park Plaza late one on my night last trip. She was over 30, but we clicked for some reason and we had a great time in bed. The girl liked to drink Tequila too. Lots of possibilities on Soi 22. It is similar to soi 4 if you subtract Nana from Soi 4. The main difference would be that the bars on Soi 4 are generally larger than those on Soi 22.

Read Bubba Boy's recent trip report in the massage thread: "Quality by Quantity".

[QUOTE=Tercar66;2365703]I don't want to bring any street walker to a high end hotel like Mariott Marquis... any pick up bars or pick up discos or nightclubs in walking distance from this hotel.[/QUOTE]

Who do you expect you'd find in pick up bars, discos or nightclubs? A long time ago there might have been some amateurs and part-timers on the game, but these days it's the same hard Thai hookers everywhere on Sukhumvit, often the same exact people in bars that would walk the street at another time of night. That said, Soi 11 has plenty of clubs if you want to spend more effort / money on a working girl.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2365905]Who do you expect you'd find in pick up bars, discos or nightclubs? A long time ago there might have been some amateurs and part-timers on the game, but these days it's the same hard Thai hookers everywhere on Sukhumvit, often the same exact people in bars that would walk the street at another time of night. That said, Soi 11 has plenty of clubs if you want to spend more effort / money on a working girl.[/QUOTE]What about Biergarten?

[QUOTE=Tercar66;2365703]I don't want to bring any street walker to a high end hotel like Mariott Marquis [/QUOTE]Why not? I do it all the time.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2365927]Why not? I do it all the time.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the day I brought back 3 different bg within a 5 hour afternoon span. Each time the doorman greeted me by name and opened the door and elevator for us.

Upon walking the last girl out I was a little embarrassed to see the same doorman. After the girl left I decided to ask him what he thought. All he said was I could have all the skinny ones I want. He only like the fat ones and didn't even noticed the ones I had! LOL.

[QUOTE=BMoreDog69;2365563]I have to disagree about your assertion, and this certainly boils down to what you're looking for in an encounter. Purely by the numbers (paid), you are correct, but there is (IMO) more to this than just a BJ, and the damage paid. By my estimate, a BBBJ w / CIM and possibly swallow at a place like (L0lita's) is not the same as the same chick in your hotel room, with a shower (instead of a sink), bed (instead of a small couch), she gets naked (versus topless), etc. If it's only about the BJ, then I suppose yes, but I think equating the two is a tough load to swallow.

Just sayin', but this highlights the issues of the various venues for sex in Bangkok, and elsewhere. To get real value from these boards & posts, you have a have a good idea of what you need in an encounter: maybe experience versus age / looks, GFE versus PSE versus wham bam thank you ma'am. I've done BJ bars, and MP / oilies, and I'd go back under certain conditions, but a little personal engagement really enhances the sexual experience for me. I absolutely do not want a LT connection or girlfriend, but for an hour or two, I do want to be able to delude myself into thinking that she might be enjoying herself (even if it's to clean my wallet, while cleaning my whistle).

Stay safe and have fun.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think I mentioned that it is not the same, that there is more to the experience with a go-go girl and that there are additional frills one can understand paying for. That is even in the part of my post you quoted. But I don't mind you repeating it in order to elaborate on the comments I made about it.

I suppose to narrow down the concept I was trying to convey with that "bottom line" calculation is that when it comes down to the eventual point of the deal, some kind of sex act without which few if any of us would engage in a P4P experience at all regardless of all the other frills and interaction, a BBBJ+CIM would have to be one of the easiest and least objectionable for a P4P girl to deliver since many, some not all that far off in age and looks than many go-go dancers today, deliver it for no more than 500 baht (their share) every day and night. That is how relatively inconsequential and low hassle it should be (and apparently is) for any serious P4P girl working in the great city of Bangkok to deliver.

BTW, I am sure you know that you can also get all of the things you mentioned as advantages to taking a go-go dancer except for the part about it being in your hotel room for 1,700 baht in most BJ Bars if you use their ST room, shower, bed, etc. That would still be less than half what I paid for the Twister BKK girl to lie to me in the bar, renege on her agreement in the room and deliver a lower quality BBBJ+CIM experience than I probably would have gotten from most BJ Bar girls.

However, no doubt, she was a tad better looking than most BJ Bar girls. And I know we pay more for that, too. I am still liking the idea of stopping in that bar again and giving her the opportunity for a do-over. Maybe I'll only agree to 2,000 baht to her instead of 2,500 baht for BBFS+CIP and zero money if she reneges on the deal next time. Yes, that has happened on the "Second Chance" situation as well. Might happen with this one, too. Actually, I am such a fan of BBBJ+CIM, I would have wanted a session with her to finish that way at least once if I'd repeated with her 1-2 times anyway. The only difference here is I got the BBBJ+CIM finish I do enjoy the first time with her instead of the 2nd or 3rd time.

IF I take her again on my terms, of course. I would certainly never repeat her a second time in a row for the same BBBJ+CIM finish at 3,500 baht to the bar and her. And that ought to speak volumes about what her contribution to the experience was based on her nakedness, taking a shower, spending more time, chatting it up, laying in bed and all the other frills I will say again can and often do matter. But they did not matter enough for me to feel it was worth it with this one.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2365873]Soi 22 is fairly entertaining. When I am staying on Soi 24 or nearby on Sukhumvit, I occasionally like to go to Soi 22 after midnight after I have had dinner with my Go Go girl of the evening and put her in a taxi back home. It is a lively soi late at night. There are plenty of small pick up bars and late night restaurants right outside the Marquis hotel as well as a number of small massage shops up and down Soi 22 and on the sub sois. I picked up a a very friendly hostess girl in Rumours Bar in Queens Park Plaza late one on my night last trip. She was over 30, but we clicked for some reason and we had a great time in bed. The girl liked to drink Tequila too. Lots of possibilities on Soi 22. It is similar to soi 4 if you subtract Nana from Soi 4. The main difference would be that the bars on Soi 4 are generally larger than those on Soi 22.

Read Bubba Boy's recent trip report in the massage thread: "Quality by Quantity".[/QUOTE]It should probably be mentioned that Queens Park Plaza is just now past the scheduled date of its announced sale and closure. Of course, anything can happen in Thailand and usually does. But I have heard and read the only reason the sale has not been finalized and the bars shut down entirely by today's date is simply because, like many sales deals, it is taking a bit longer than expected. So it is possible that Rumours Bar and all the other bars in that Plaza will be shut down any day or night soon.

Thank you for your response and also from others. As I am visiting BKK after many years and previously spent more time in Pattaya hence wanted some first hand info. Was just worried the street hookers don't create a scene in the hotel or rob valuables from the room, I did not want that kind of embarrassment. Thank again everyone, just want to make the best of the 2 nights in BKK.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2365848]Tercar, You may have a valid reason for not wanting to take an SW back to a Marriott, but I am here to tell you that unless your wife and her family are in the same hotel or your uptight business colleagues or boss is staying there, there is no walk of shame and there is no reason on Earth for not taking advantage of all the amenities your upscale hotel provides and bringing back Thai hookers to your 4. 5 star hotel in BKK. Lots of them. Believe me, I have stayed in higher class hotels than the Marquis and I have never let that fact affect who or how many girls I bring back with me on any given night.

Here is a funny little story that might amuse you: last trip while I was staying at the Intercontinental (free on points) I brought back a heavily tattooed and I mean heavily tattooed, C cup + silly cone, Billboard girl. She is not my usual type, but this girl was the princess of the hot tub and so over the top sexually speaking that I had to have her. Twice. 555. The 1st night she was wearing very tight cut off jeans and a very reveling top that showed off her amazing cleavage and her breast & thigh tats..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2365936]Reminds me of the day I brought back 3 different bg within a 5 hour afternoon span. Each time the doorman greeted me by name and opened the door and elevator for us.[/QUOTE]I bet the hotel doorman could have greeted all your girls by name too, if he wanted to do that. Too embarrassing, though.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2365184]Doing young hookers spoils us. We hardly can look at an older girl any more and feel any lust or desire. However a top condition 40 YO can still be young enough for me.[/QUOTE]For me it is a sex vibe thing. It comes out if the woman is a full on sex maniac and it turns me on like nothing that can be explained. I think Ying is one of those types. I find that hotter than any 20 something year old. You can have a hot body but if you don't know what you want and that is not hot. I had a fuck buddy when I was 29 who was 63. She was my boss. She was all professional at work. She invited me out one time and she smoked some weed and she was off the hook. We would fuck four times a night when I was in town on assignment. I was never so tired in my life. A total squirter as well. 63 is old when you are 29 but she was loads of fun and could fuck all night and wanted or maybe needed it all night.

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2366283]For me it is a sex vibe thing. It comes out if the woman is a full on sex maniac and it turns me on like nothing that can be explained. I think Ying is one of those types. I find that hotter than any 20 something year old. You can have a hot body but if you don't know what you want and that is not hot. I had a fuck buddy when I was 29 who was 63. She was my boss. She was all professional at work. She invited me out one time and she smoked some weed and she was off the hook. We would fuck four times a night when I was in town on assignment. I was never so tired in my life. A total squirter as well. 63 is old when you are 29 but she was loads of fun and could fuck all night and wanted or maybe needed it all night.[/QUOTE]Lucky for you really. I've never been into the MILF thing. Mid-20's to very early 30's, baby-free, and PSE or intense GFE is what works for me. Unfortunately that is very hard to find these days in Bkk. I couldn't imagine being with a woman my age, I'm early 50's, wouldn't be turned on in the least, no matter how skilled or enthusiastic she was. I like to look down after popping and think, wow, that's amazing looking.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2365240]
Intrigued by what was going on I asked 1 of the sw's that just saw off a group of guys that was standing sort of in front of us "what was that all about? She just gave me a bit of a shrug and carried on whatever she was doing.

Anyone care to guess what the negotiations were?[/QUOTE]I have a regular girl that works outside Nana Car park. She knocks back all the guys that try to negotiate the price down. She says she prefers Farangs, but anyway she is not going to waste time negotiating with Indians (or anyone else). Her price is very fair already given she looks superior to most girls on the Soi, although very small tits. She can't even be bothered to talk to guys that are trying to get her for something very low like 600 Baht gets offered quite often, I believe. So the majority of potential customers on Soi 4 have to ignored totally. She will just wait for the non stingy guy, and they come up to her very frequently. When I approached I sometimes had to wait for other guys to sent away first. The superior girls on the Soi are definitely not lacking customers, and they have a pretty good idea what price they can get.

I can ask her next time, why Guys approach in groups and what they ask for, the negotiate hard part is obvious, but why in groups? Maybe just part of Indian culture, that they often have several wingmen, in bars too.

I have seen groups of Indians talking to a fat possibly Arab woman (or at least muslim from?) with a round white and puffy ugly face in black penguin suit (as someone dubbed it), before. Shows how taste varies, I though she was incredibly horrible, looking. Some people like fat girls, I like skinny.

One guy I saw at the ST Hotel Di Place counter. He was trying to negotiate the price of a room down to something ridiculous, but the rooms have fixed price for 1 hour or for all night. Funny he kept putting cash notes on the desk as though he thought that would tempt the staff, even though was a low amount, which shows zero level of respect really, when the staff had quite clearly said there is a fixed price and no negotiation. The counter girl is just a staff member, not the boss and has no powers to vary the price, and absolutely no reason to. Its not like she will get the money directly unless tipped over the normal price.

Some cultures think everything is negotiable, but not quite.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2366397]I have a regular girl that works outside Nana Car park. She knocks back all the guys that try to negotiate the price down. She says she prefers Farangs, but anyway she is not going to waste time negotiating with Indians (or anyone else). Her price is very fair already given she looks superior to most girls on the Soi, although very small tits. She can't even be bothered to talk to guys that are trying to get her for something very low like 600 Baht gets offered quite often, I believe. So the majority of potential customers on Soi 4 have to ignored totally. She will just wait for the non stingy guy, and they come up to her very frequently. When I approached I sometimes had to wait for other guys to sent away first. The superior girls on the Soi are definitely not lacking customers, and they have a pretty good idea what price they can get.

I can ask her next time, why Guys approach in groups and what they ask for, the negotiate hard part is obvious, but why in groups? Maybe just part of Indian culture, that they often have several wingmen, in bars too..[/QUOTE]Doesn't mean hookers are not.

A bar fine? Maybe not, a hooker most definitely.

Very few cultures are all or nothing.

Most things are not negotiable in america, but then again still many things are.

Most certainly hookers are.

I'm willing to bet I could get that girl on soi 4 for less than you say is possible lmao.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2366397]I have a regular girl that works outside Nana Car park. She knocks back all the guys that try to negotiate the price down. [/QUOTE] So you are paying whatever she asks with no negotiation and you are a regular? Geeze. No wonder these girls are spoiled.

A long time lurker, first time trip report poster. Here I am in Bangkok, wrapping up my 2-day trip. This is actually my first trip in Thailand. I've been saving up for a trip to Brazil because I'm an ass guy and Brazilian bundas are something else. But a couple days ago, I woke up and felt really horny, and when I realized Bangkok is only 2-3 hours away by plane from the city I lived in in China, I said to myself: what the hell, I'm getting out of this sex prison and going to Bangkok to have some real sex. I tried many options within the last two days, and the following is a wrap-up:

Day 1.

Arrived at 12 at midnight, and it took me about an hour to get the visa on arrival. When I finally made it to my hotel it was already 2 am, but I just couldn't fall asleep because I was really excited thinking that after a whole year of being tortured in the sex prison, I'll finally have some sex, so sad, hahaha.

By the way, I stayed at Landmark Bangkok, a pretty good hotel near Nana Plaza. My original plan was to limit my mongering activities in Nana, but I was really disappointed in it and I'll elaborate later.

Anyway, I went to bed at 3 am and woke up at 7 am since I was too excited expecting the escort I booked earlier. When I was at the airport in China, I booked two escorts: a Ukrainian girl named Nadia or something from [URL]bangkokrussianescorts.com[/URL] for 10 am, and a Thai girl named Pim from Golden Escorts for 5 pm.

Nadia. 4000 baht for 1 hour. Photos should be real but are heavily photoshopped, quite ordinary in terms of looks and body figure in person. Baby damage. Mediocre performance. She left right after one pop before 1 hour. Won't repeat.

Pim. 4000 baht for 1 hour. Photos are real but are also photoshopped. But she's still pretty and has big natural tits and a very slim figure. Performance was not outstanding but she was very friendly and cooperative, and she stayed with me after the sex and didn't leave until I allowed her to. Probably will repeat.

Between Nadia and Pim, I felt horny again and tried nuru massage at dokidoki. The place didn't have fancy facilities but was enough for the deed. The girls were mostly 6-7, but I didn't go for looks here, I just wanted to have my first nuru massage experience.

I picked Happy because she was one of the few girls with natural bodies and I hate silicone implants. Funny name though, I know. 3000 baht for 1 hour. Face-wise 6, body could be 7 cause she had a very good ass. OUTSTANDING massage skills and sex performance. Totally made up for the looks. I never understood why some guys would choose service over looks or body, and she helped me understand why. Let me put it this way, at one point during sex, she looked at me so affectionately that I almost felt like I fell in love, LOL. Totally will repeat.

In the evening, I went to Baccara in Soi Cowboy and Rainbow 4 in Nana, probably the most well-known gogo bars in the area. Really disappointed. Maybe it's just me, because I'm only interested in girls with natural bodies and both places were packed with girls who had plastic surgery. Well, if you don't care so much about plastic surgery you may have a good time in those bars. I didn't like the girls for their fake boobs or exaggerated nose jobs, but I have to say 80% of them had great legs and pretty good body figures.

Anyway, after my short stay at Baccara, I went to Rainbow 4 and a girl caught my eyes with her natural and reasonably curvy body. Named Pat, No. 103. I took her out to my hotel for around 6000 baht for 2 hours plus drinks. I was too tired and had had too much sex so I didn't have sex with her. I just took a shower and made out with her. Surprisingly she and I really clicked and I had a really good time chatting with her through Google translate. I seriously thought about wifing her up on my next visit. So I proposed that we should have a date the next day and promised I would take her out for long time at Rainbow in the evening. I thought of it as a trial to see if she was good wife-up material. But she refused to go out the next day because "it's raining outside". Well, it only rained for about 20 minutes, LOL. OK, point taken. In fact, when we were in the hotel and she was showing me her pictures on the phone, a picture of her and a guy showed up and she quickly swiped it away. Maybe that was her boyfriend, I don't know. Anyway, no more thought about wifing her up.

Day 2.

I got some rest in the hotel for the whole morning and action started in the afternoon. I went to La Belle at about 5 pm. There were about 20 girls in the fishbowl, if that's what you call it, and maybe 10 on the sideline, all ranging from 6 to 8. I really felt that the girls in the fishbowl looked better since the plastic surgery on the sideline girls was way out of proportions.

I picked an 8 in the fishbowl. 5500 baht for 1.5 hours. Didn't get her name. Pretty face, natural (of course) and sexy body. She's the kind of girl who'the be approached and picked up in a bar. When I looked at her sucking my dick I honestly felt I was so lucky to have someone way out of my league going down on me, LOL. Well, maybe not so out of my league when I was in my better days and still in shape. Service was mediocre at best. La Belle is a place for soapy massage, but she barely did any massage except for scrubbing my body in the bathtub. Service ended at about 40 minutes after 1 pop. When I was touching her and trying to talk with her, she literally suggested I should leave at 1 hour since "Well, there's nothing for us to do". She kept reminding me of Happy at dokidoki. Man, with her looks and body, if she could offer that kind of performance, she'the be a legend in Bangkok, LOL. Anyway, there are some stunners in La Belle, but I guess you won't get great service from the great lookers.

At this point, I'd had a pretty good sex trip in Bangkok, but it was not impressive. As I was walking in the street after I left La Belle, I kept thinking about whether I should return to Thailand in the future for mongering. I mean, it's legal to pay for sex here, and that makes it way better than the largest sex prison in Asia, namely China, which unfortunately happens to be where I'm based, but I still feel that Thailand, or Bangkok, lacks something.

First off, like I said, I'm an ass guy. I understand some members have pointed out that you can still find curvy women in Thailand, but you have to admit it, Thai women pale in comparison with Latinas in the ass department. It's possible to find a Thai girl with a big and round ass, but the kind of bubble butt you see on a Brazilian or Colombian girl is virtually non-existent in Thailand. Also, I really hate plastic surgery. But that's everywhere.

However, a couple hours later, a place totally changed my mind and helped me make up my mind to keep Bangkok as my go-to mongering destination. And that place is Thermae cafe. Don't get me wrong, there are still girls with implants. But since many girls here have a regular job during the day and only work part time here, a much larger proportion of them are all natural. Obviously regular girls don't need extra large boobs to attract their co-workers' attention, unlike the girls in the sex industry, you know.

And it's still very hard, if possible at all, to find a girl with a bubble butt here, but many of them have pretty sexy and fit body figures. Most importantly, some girls here are really pretty. Not model type pretty, but girl-next-door or colleague-in-the-office type of pretty, if you get what I mean. During my 10-minute stay I had already come across several girls I'd have a crush on if I met her at work. So in Thermae it's like running into a girl that you may like and want to make your girlfriend in real life, and you can pay to have sex with her. Wow, that's like a dream come true, man.

It didn't take me long to pick a girl. She did tell me her name but the pronunciation was quite strange and I didn't remember it. 2500 baht for 1 pop, and 700 baht for the room in the hotel upstairs. By the way, lousy hotel, try your best to avoid using it. Not the best deal, but the girl really stood out to me. I would totally ask her out if we worked together. Sex was good and intense. The way she moaned and hugged me tight during sex even made me feel like she was a girlfriend instead of a provider.

Side note:

1. If you are a foodie like me, you should try the food market near Soi Cowboy across the street. Not a fancy place, but many local people have lunch there. The food there is cheap and actually tastes better than what I had in some fancy Thai restaurants. If you don't like the environment you can try takeout and enjoy the food in your hotel room.

2. Quit masturbation. At least minimize it. It hurts your sex ability. On the first day when I was trying to have sex, I had some slight ED problems. I'm not sure if it had to do with me feeling tired after a night of flight and lack of sleep. But I jerk off like twice or three times a day when I live in China and I believe it impacts my sex performance negatively. I know, I know, it served me right to have ED, but as an incredibly horny guy stuck in the sex prison, what can I do?

3. Friendly advice: Keep fit and learn Thai. The girls I spent time with during the trip were friendly, but I guess they'd have shown greater passion for being with me if I had looked better. We all know girls are in the business for money, but hot clients may be treated better. Also, I feel that being able to communicate with the girls in Thai will help sex. For one thing, it shows your respect for their culture. For another, good communication before sex helps to build the connections between you and the girl, which usually leads to better sex. I've decided to learn Thai anyway.

4. I don't want to ruin the mood for anyone, but I truly feel that having a girlfriend is better than paying a girl for sex, no matter how hot the girl might be. The best sex I've ever had comes from the real connection between the two. When a girl likes me, and I like her back, the sex is wonderful even though she's not that hot. I started this hobby of mongering because I'm naturally attracted to girls with big natural bubble butts and I can't help it, but it's just impossible to find a Chinese girl like that. Maybe after a few years, when I've had enough sex with big booty Latinas, I'll quit mongering and settle down with a girl I truly like. But I haven't had enough yet, so I'll still be in the game for more booties, hahaha.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2366568]Doesn't mean hookers are not.

A bar fine? Maybe not, a hooker most definitely.

Very few cultures are all or nothing.

Most things are not negotiable in america, but then again still many things are.

Most certainly hookers are.

I'm willing to bet I could get that girl on soi 4 for less than you say is possible lmao.[/QUOTE]The price kept dropping.

They didn't lower it, I demanded they did.

Or I told the mgr I would go elsewhere.

A hooker is no different.

I'm not going to pay a hooker I keep repeating the same amount as the 1st time.

No fucking way.

[QUOTE=Gropai;2366606]... I don't want to ruin the mood for anyone, but I truly feel that having a girlfriend is better than paying a girl for sex, no matter how hot the girl might be...[/QUOTE]Nice report! However, regarding your conclusion above, how long were you able to stick with a girlfriend, without getting bored with the sex?

We mongers need the variety, to avoid sex boredom, not to mention girls taking us for granted after hanging with them for a while. So, don't worry, you probably are not ruining the mood for any true monger. Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Gropai;2366606]A long time lurker, first time trip report poster.
4. I don't want to ruin the mood for anyone, but I truly feel that having a girlfriend is better than paying a girl for sex, no matter how hot the girl might be. The best sex I've ever had comes from the real connection between the two. When a girl likes me, and I like her back, the sex is wonderful even though she's not that hot. I started this hobby of mongering because I'm naturally attracted to girls with big natural bubble butts and I can't help it, but it's just impossible to find a Chinese girl like that. Maybe after a few years, when I've had enough sex with big booty Latinas, I'll quit mongering and settle down with a girl I truly like. But I haven't had enough yet, so I'll still be in the game for more booties, hahaha.[/QUOTE]Try Kama club in Guangzhou and you will find so much Latina bunda it will make you crazy. In BKK you can always try Spasso, and mixx if you like women with big ass.

China is not so dry if you look around a bit. Loads of options.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Gropai;2366606] I realized Bangkok is only 2-3 hours away by plane from the city I lived in in China, I said to myself: what the hell, I'm getting out of this sex prison and going to Bangkok to have some real sex.[/QUOTE]I don't know where you lived in China, but I've been to China many times. It was very rare that I did not have sex with a hot young girl each and every night I was in China. I spent time in Beijing, Chengdu, Shenzhen, Shekou and Guanzhou. All of those places were pussy heaven.

[QUOTE=Gropai;2366606]I don't want to ruin the mood for anyone, but I truly feel that having a girlfriend is better than paying a girl for sex, no matter how hot the girl might be. The best sex I've ever had comes from the real connection between the two. When a girl likes me, and I like her back, the sex is wonderful even though she's not that hot. I started this hobby of mongering because I'm naturally attracted to girls with big natural bubble butts and I can't help it, but it's just impossible to find a Chinese girl like that. Maybe after a few years, when I've had enough sex with big booty Latinas, I'll quit mongering and settle down with a girl I truly like. But I haven't had enough yet, so I'll still be in the game for more booties, hahaha.[/QUOTE]I don't consider having a full time girlfriend to be mongering. I consider mongering to be changing girls basically nightly. Hell, even hourly. Haha.

But yes, sex with a girlfriend who thinks you are only into her is normally more passionate than with a one hour hooker.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2366911]Not a chance. The cities I was working in did not have any non Indians in those cities other than me. I transited through Mumbai and Delhi a lot, but even during those transits, I never saw any.

I do have an Indian friend in Jakarta who is a television star on ANTV. He is the lightest skinned Indian I have ever seen. But I still would not call him whitest of the white by any stretch of the imagination. I sat across the aisle from Amitabh Bachchan on a Thai airways flight from Bangkok to Mumbai once and although he is a huge star in India, he wasn't white either.[/QUOTE]Studies have shown that Indians are largely Caucasoid and although not all Caucasians are white there are white Indians.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367020]I don't know where you lived in China, but I've been to China many times. It was very rare that I did not have sex with a hot young girl each and every night I was in China. I spent time in Beijing, Chengdu, Shenzhen, Shekou and Guanzhou. All of those places were pussy heaven.
[/QUOTE]I'm very cautious so because of the government crackdown these years I never to go sex venues because I don't want to risk being arrested. And I never try freelancers or escort service because some of them might set you up with a badger game, you know, in the middle of the sex, the "boyfriend" or "husband" of the girl shows up and blackmails you.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2366992]Try Kama club in Guangzhou and you will find so much Latina bunda it will make you crazy. In BKK you can always try Spasso, and mixx if you like women with big ass.

China is not so dry if you look around a bit. Loads of options.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for the information! I've never heard of this club before. Are there many Latina freelancers there for pickup?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2367035]Studies have shown that Indians are largely Caucasoid and although not all Caucasians are white there are white Indians.[/QUOTE]Yes, [URL]https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003912[/URL].

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367044]Post a photo of a white skinned whitest white Indian chick you fucked then. I'd love to see it.[/QUOTE]Ha ha, [URL]https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/CCMB-scientists-unravel-skin-colour-genetics-of-Indians/article16668346.ece[/URL].

[QUOTE=Gropai;2366606]3. Friendly advice: Keep fit and learn Thai. The girls I spent time with during the trip were friendly, but I guess they'd have shown greater passion for being with me if I had looked better. We all know girls are in the business for money, but hot clients may be treated better. Also, I feel that being able to communicate with the girls in Thai will help sex. For one thing, it shows your respect for their culture. For another, good communication before sex helps to build the connections between you and the girl, which usually leads to better sex. I've decided to learn Thai anyway.

4. I don't want to ruin the mood for anyone, but I truly feel that having a girlfriend is better than paying a girl for sex, no matter how hot the girl might be. The best sex I've ever had comes from the real connection between the two. When a girl likes me, and I like her back, the sex is wonderful even though she's not that hot. I started this hobby of mongering because I'm naturally attracted to girls with big natural bubble butts and I can't help it, but it's just impossible to find a Chinese girl like that. Maybe after a few years, when I've had enough sex with big booty Latinas, I'll quit mongering and settle down with a girl I truly like. But I haven't had enough yet, so I'll still be in the game for more booties, hahaha.[/QUOTE]I agree that too much wanking has negative affects. Guys should give it up while in Thailand at least.

I have advantage to be able to communicate in Thai, however I never felt a language barrier really interfered with sex that much. Its not really about talking. My Mrs still gets frustrated with me that she can say something in Issan dialect and I don't always get it. Slow to understand. I had better sex with girls in 1991 when my Thai was very weak, or nearly anything was great.

Wonderful sex all night with Thai girls is possible and especially prevalent in years gone by. Is a girlfriend always going to better? Not really. Hookers could teach the GFs a few things. My regular Thai girls are really quite into good sex and can do passionate, even if they are a casual fuck and not a GF.

Maybe a much higher proportion of Thai girls were passionate when I was younger, like 35 YO. So getting old must have an effect.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367020]I don't know where you lived in China, but I've been to China many times. It was very rare that I did not have sex with a hot young girl each and every night I was in China. I spent time in Beijing, Chengdu, Shenzhen, Shekou and Guanzhou. [/QUOTE]Maybe a few years ago but over the past year or so they have been crackingdown on everything. Even legit spas are closing. Beijing and Shanghai still have some action, Guangzhou a bit but outside of these there is nothing. I've been in a scond tier city for little over a year and there is nothing around. When I first got here there was action but nothing now. This is due to several reasons, international sporting events are on (FIBA world cup, Military games) and there is the upcoming 70th annivesary of the Party being established. Crackdowns seem to have started earlier in the year and have comtinued. They are getting around people paying of the cops by brings in LEO's from Beijing. Unlike previous crackdowns they have been arresting foreigners as well.

Plenty of this has been written up in the Shanghai section on the China forum. Luckily I only have 3 more weeks before I'm back in LOS.

Hey,

First time posting on here and have to say reading through some of the threads, there is so much cool info and very valuable advice.

1- So am going Bangkok in couple of weeks and wanted to find out if anyone had tried Nook from Absolute Angels Bangkok? Photos look decent but as always am interested in hearing from anyone that's used her? [URL]https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok.com/gallery/nook-age-24-399[/URL].

2- Has anyone seen and tried a girl called Denise on Smooci? She's got that PSE look about her and read in a review she also has a tongue piercing? Anyone tried her?

3- last trip to Bangkok I tried out Vanessa (honey on other sites) , again on Absolute angels. I swear she was on something. Really hyper but rushed and way too bloody loud! Booked her for 2 but told her to leave after 1. Definitely would not repeat. [URL]https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok.com/gallery/vanessa-age-28-314[/URL].

4- I also tried girl called Sonya again from Absolute Angels- I found her to be really polite, bit too polite LOL! But she gave me a good massage which was super relaxing, good bank although not like a sloppy mad pse one. Have to admit, she was great in doggy. Overall pleasant experience with her but if you looking for someone who is more bubbly and pse then not her. Only thing she wasn't that forthcoming with DFK. [URL]https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok.com/gallery/sonya-age-25-267[/URL].

Look forward to hearing about anyone that's tried Nook or Denise.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2367086]Maybe a few years ago but over the past year or so they have been crackingdown on everything. Even legit spas are closing. Beijing and Shanghai still have some action, Guangzhou a bit but outside of these there is nothing. I've been in a scond tier city for little over a year and there is nothing around. When I first got here there was action but nothing now. This is due to several reasons, international sporting events are on (FIBA world cup, Military games) and there is the upcoming 70th annivesary of the Party being established. Crackdowns seem to have started earlier in the year and have comtinued. They are getting around people paying of the cops by brings in LEO's from Beijing. Unlike previous crackdowns they have been arresting foreigners as well.

Plenty of this has been written up in the Shanghai section on the China forum. Luckily I only have 3 more weeks before I'm back in LOS.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. Although I have never once tried a spa in China. I always picked my girls up at discos, nightclubs, and sometimes just walking in the street. There were tons of places in Shenzhen. Simply due to the western flavor, my favorite was that bar in the crowne plaza hotel in Shenzhen. That bar was equivalent to a CJs or BATS in Jakarta. It was great. They even had the same bands that used to play at CJs in Jakarta because after Jakarta they would rotate over there. In Chengdu, I would simply go to the disco and meet girls. In Shekou, I would just walk the street anywhere near that big boat hotel and girls would walk up to me and ask if I wanted to have sex with them. Many times they didn't want to come to my hotel because they claimed the police would record their name and they did not want to be categorized as a hooker, but I would go with them to their house and have sex with them. That sounds dangerous, but I never once had a problem doing that. In Beijing, I normally stayed at the Sheraton Great Wall hotel and there were always many girls hanging out in the street in front of that hotel looking for action. Those girls would go to my hotel no questions asked. The Hard Rock Cafe next door also always had girls looking for action. And Maggies bar not far away was absolutely awesome. I loved the Mongolian chicks there. Hell, at that Sheraton in Beijing, girls used to telephone directly to my room asking if I wanted them to come up and fuck me (I guess they paid the security to give them the room numbers of single guys there on business). None of that action is available now?

Went back to BG for old times sake. I used to love spending my early evenings there around 12 years back, downing a few Beer Laos and an occasional lady take out if I happen to find a diamond in the rough. The bar waitress who works the afternoon shift at the last counter closest to the kitchen, has been there for 32 years! I have been going for the last 15 of those, and she always remembers my order.

On Day 1 took back a really nice mid 30's lady for a short time session, followed by dinner at Gullivers (her choice) and then an over-niter for a grand total of 3000 Baht (+1700 for food and a bottle of red). Day 2 (rainy afternoon) had a couple of drinks and left as I had plans for late night Nana recon. The Day 1 lady gave company for drinks, and if she was not clinging to me I might have taken a different one for a ST session (from one of 2 options I was eyeing). Day 3 back again, and picked up a different lady with an intention of repeating Day 1. However, I did not find her good in bed and looking the worse for wear in normal light, not the type I would take on a dinner date. Released her after a short time 2000 Baht session. Would end up catching some sleep and moving out for a late night foreign pussy hunt over at Shock 39 (will post report on the foreign thread).

If you are staying in the Soi 7 area, if you do not like to spend much time and effort or money hunting for women, if you do not mind a mid 30's MILF, or a GILF if that rocks your boat, then definitely give Beer Garden Soi 7 a chance. From what I here it might not be there for long (well I have been hearing it for the last 5 years but it still refuses to die).

Note: The Soi 7 to Soi 11 shortcut through The Park Hotel rear gate is now closed.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367044]Post a photo of a white skinned whitest white Indian chick you fucked then. I'd love to see it.[/QUOTE]This is a photo of Pooja Ganatra born in Mumbai to typically Indian parents. I have not dated her yet. I am hoping to meet her to ask her out. Wish me luck.

There are many many more like her in India. Smoothy you may have seen Indians like her when you were in Mumbai and thought that they were from Europe or the States.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367232]You would go all the way to India special for that? Maybe you should set your sights on a better looking girl than her. She looks like a plain Jane freckle face country hick you could find at the corner 5 and dime in Arkansas.

I still say the light skinned girls in India are damn RARE. You can walk around all day and not see any attractive girls with light skin. They must hide in dark secluded rooms to avoid the sun.

Attached here is the 90 percentile.[/QUOTE]Smoothy you fucked only black Indians?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2367237]Smoothy you fucked only black Indians?[/QUOTE]I've only fucked two pure blood Indians in my life. One was in the USA when I was 19 years old. She was another 19 year old at a frat party I went to. I think every guy fucked her that year. She had fairly dark skin and looked exotic. The other was a girl I met in Ahmedebad around 2001. Nice girl who would be considered white by Indian standards, but I still consider her not to be white. She was far less white than me. I'm attaching a photo of her hand here so you can see her skin color (although it's kind of misleading because she was not that white in person). She was probably around 23 when I was with her. We dated quite a while before we ever had sex. I have never been with a hooker in India. They had some nice college girl hookers at the Leela hotel in Mumbai, but they wanted too damn much money.

I've been with lots of mixed asian / indian blood hookers over the years in countries other than India.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367244]I've only fucked two pure blood Indians in my life. One was in the USA when I was 19 years old. She was another 19 year old at a frat party I went to. I think every guy fucked her that year. She had fairly dark skin and looked exotic. The other was a girl I met in Ahmedebad around 2001. Nice girl who would be considered white by Indian standards, but I still consider her not to be white. She was far less white than me. I'm attaching a photo of her hand here so you can see her skin color (although it's kind of misleading because she was not that white in person). She was probably around 23 when I was with her. We dated quite a while before we ever had sex. I have never been with a hooker in India. They had some nice college girl hookers at the Leela hotel in Mumbai, but they wanted too damn much money.

I've been with lots of mixed asian / indian blood hookers over the years in countries other than India.[/QUOTE]Smoothy you spent 2 years in India and only banged 1 Indian and then only after much time dating? You must have been quite frustrated there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367264]Yep, it's a real shit hole country.[/QUOTE]I banged dozens of hot Indian working girls during my visits there, especially in Kolkata. I posted trip reports after discovering ISG. The country is challenged infrastructure wise but the women are beautiful.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367264]Yep, it's a real shit hole country.[/QUOTE]I spent the longest 6 months of my life there, and I agree. I didn't however, find it difficult to practice the hobby. It just wasn't worth the effort.

GE.

[QUOTE=JoeKarnavic;2367218]When I was on assignment in one of the city which had massive IT company with major contracts in US, some of The lighter skin coloured from upper economic strata who may be traveling to Europe for their mongering. Price negotiations may be part of their culture may be some genes from Bene Jews!![/QUOTE]I've never seen 3-5 Jewish guys standing around negotiating with one girl. It is Indians, north or south, 100% of the time.

[QUOTE=JoeKarnavic;2367218]I did my own study on a small group of Caucasian looking people on mountains in Kurdishstan and found out they were stranded warrior community from East Europe. So I followed this interest where ever I have travelled, worked and mongered. They had grey / green eyes. Had chat with many people and found that they come from exclusive community, did my own research. It is said that there was major migration 4 k years ago. People from different races as far as East Europe, Antalia in Turkey, Greece migrated for variety of reason but mainly in seach of their own Al Dorado. Some came by land from North travelling thousands of kilometers, some came by sea. This community might have come by sea from present day Turkey / Greece and merged with local population. There is genetic study to prove this theory.

Our analysis of 40 autosomal markers indicates clearly that the upper castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians. The high affinity of caste why chromosomes with those of Europeans suggests that the majority of immigrating West Eurasians may have been males. As might be expected if West Eurasian males appropriated the highest positions in the caste system, the upper caste group exhibits a lower genetic distance to Europeans than the middle or lower castes. This is underscored by the observation that the Kshatriya (an upper caste), whose members served as warriors, are closer to Europeans than any other caste (data not shown). Furthermore, the 32-BP deletion polymorphism in CC chemokine receptor 5, whose frequency peaks in populations of Eastern Europe[/QUOTE]You found Himmler's Aryans! Congratulations.

[QUOTE=JoeKarnavic;2367218]After reading Turgids post on the light skinned Indians could not resist to share my few cents on the interesting subject often discussed here. I am not authority on genetics of races but had interest on this subject. I did my own study on a small group of Caucasian looking people on mountains in Kurdishstan and found out they were stranded warrior community from East Europe. So I followed this interest where ever I have travelled, worked and mongered.

Indians are mostly brown but the shades change from dark to lighter colour as you go north, except some pockets in western India. When I was on assignment in one of the city which had massive IT company with major contracts in US, some of the men and women in my office were so pale skinned and almost white looking. They had grey / green eyes. Had chat with many people and found that they come from exclusive community, did my own research. It is said that there was major migration 4 k years ago. People from different races as far as East Europe, Antalia in Turkey, Greece migrated for variety of reason but mainly in seach of their own Al Dorado. Those days India with multiple kingdoms was land of Gold and diamonds. Some came by land from North travelling thousands of kilometers, some came by sea. This community might have come by sea from present day Turkey / Greece and merged with local population. There is genetic study to prove this theory.

So what you see in Thailand are cheap bastadrs with darker shade to lighter shades of brown because it is economical mongering destination. The lighter skin coloured from upper economic strata who may be traveling to Europe for their mongering. Price negotiations may be part of their culture may be some genes from Bene Jews!! But ugly haggling on the corners of Soi with girls is horrible.

.Genetic Study, the Chromosome and other shit!!

Our analysis of 40 autosomal markers indicates clearly that the upper castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians. The high affinity of caste why chromosomes with those of Europeans suggests that the majority of immigrating West Eurasians may have been males. As might be expected if West Eurasian males appropriated the highest positions in the caste system, the upper caste group exhibits a lower genetic distance to Europeans than the middle or lower castes. This is underscored by the observation that the Kshatriya (an upper caste), whose members served as warriors, are closer to Europeans than any other caste (data not shown). Furthermore, the 32-BP deletion polymorphism in CC chemokine receptor 5, whose frequency peaks in populations of Eastern Europe, is found only in two Brahmin males (M. Bamshad and S. K. Ahuja, unpubl.). The stratification of why-chromosome distances with Europeans could also be caused by male-specific gene flow among caste populations of different rank. However, we and others have demonstrated that there is little sharing of why-chromosome haplotypes among castes of different rank (Bamshad et al. 1998.)

Here are some light skinned Indian women.They are celebrities. And their parent are Indians. One of them was Miss World few years back[/QUOTE]I agree on most well-financed Indians go to Europe and North America for mongering. Thailand is like one-off place for them to visit, for just the sake of it.

Thailand is mostly for those Indians who are on budget, that's why bargening is common. Unfortunately, smoothy only has mongered in India and south east asia, and never travelled to Europe most likely, so his racist opinions are mostly based on limited experience.

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[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367416]I consider that country to be a toilet, and the chance of my ever returning there is not likely. That's not "racist", that's just calling it as I see it from personal experience. [/QUOTE]I think you're doing an injustice to the toilet. I've been to India 11 times for work and I'm never going back. Granted, Dhaka is an even bigger shithole. I was even in Kabul around 2005 after the crap had been blown out of it and I still found it to be nicer than New Delhi.

I've been an expat for over 20 years all around the world so I get to see some pretty horrible places. It's not just that India is a dump, it's also the people in New Delhi that put me off. Even people from elsewhere in India hate New Delhi. I worked there with a guy from Bangalore who would take the train back home every Friday and return Monday just so he wouldn't have to spend the weekend there. It's a 6 hour trip each way. Mumbai isn't much better but up in the hills around Dehrudun is ok. People are nicer and the air is cleaner.

[QUOTE=Allover;2367349]I've never seen 3-5 Jewish guys standing around negotiating with one girl. It is Indians, north or south, 100% of the time.[/QUOTE]Every Country has it's own style of negotiations, Price Matching, Standing in Lines overnight to purchase goods during special events, Bids in EBAY, Look sales before purchase food, Negotiating with Girl in Websites.

Please do not discriminate people, Regions and SKIN, if you don't like it just leave, Bangkok Girls are very smart, they know how to handle customers, I hope you understand.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367146]None of that action is available now?[/QUOTE]Not sure about Shenzhen, there could possibly be some action there but I was in Beijing last week and couldn't find much. I was hampered a bit by having all day meetings and then follow on dinners so I didn't get out as much as I would have liked, but struck out on Tantan. I'd say there is still action about but it's probably limited to people who the girls already know.

I think the Mongolians are all gone from Maggies now. I haven't been there in years. It's not like the old days where you could find girls everywhere. I think som eof this could also be due to the Gov. Crackdown on employees using gov credit cards for dinners and hookers, I think this has been tightened up.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2367273]I banged dozens of hot Indian working girls during my visits there, especially in Kolkata. I posted trip reports after discovering ISG. The country is challenged infrastructure wise but the women are beautiful.[/QUOTE]Is it a misconception of mine, or do Indian women have more body hair? I tend to see hairy arms fairly frequently on Indian girls, compared to my Thai GF, where it is very hard to find the hair on her body and even pussy has very little naturally. I have never fucked an Indian girl to my knowledge, possibly some Thais that looked like they could have a trace of Indian blood in the ancestry. Body hair would probably put me off, otherwise I might do them if slim and pretty.

I like the girl in Slum Dog Millionaire but see that she was not even Indian.

I can easily see Indian guys have a lot of hair. One work colleague has a forest growing out of his ears where I have just a few strands that annoy me. I am low on body hair myself, compared to average Farangs same as my father. My brothers generally have more.

I find most body hair annoying and would prefer if under arms, dick and balls had zero hair.

Even hard to find a lot of porn showing naked Indian girls that are not too chubby for me to look at. I quite like Anissa Kate and guess she may be part Indian blood (maybe not I did not research that). I was doing a Thai girl regular that looks slightly like Annisa Kate.

In the past I had a Thai GF (early 2000's) with more obvious hair on her arms than me (blacker I guess and I have just fair wispy stuff). Did not really appeal to me, but better than on her upper lip or chest.

P.S. Skin colour is not really a factor for me. I have done plenty of black girls from many countries. Recall vaguely a Pakistani pretty stripper naked on my lap but did not get to fuck her. That was a very rare exception. I imagined she could be in deep shit from her culture if family found out.

All the girls I have done from Myanmar did not look at all like Indians. More like southern Chinese, Tibetans or like Thais.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2367510]Is it a misconception of mine, or do Indian women have more body hair? I tend to see hairy arms fairly frequently on Indian girls, compared to my Thai GF, where it is very hard to find the hair on her body and even pussy has very little naturally. I have never fucked an Indian girl to my knowledge, possibly some Thais that looked like they could have a trace of Indian blood in the ancestry. Body hair would probably put me off, otherwise I might do them if slim and pretty.

[/QUOTE]Isn't this a sort of silly question? You certainly have a right to your body hair preferences, etc (though I would be curious to see if your views may change if you saw several women you really wanted, but they wouldn't shave themselves just for "you".

Clearly there are hair differences among certain groups of people (you will see European women with moustaches) and others with little body hair.

Ditto among men. Some chests are more hairy than others. Some have some back hair. Others have a lot.

It's all generalization (s) but it's quite clear for e. G. That East Asians generally speaking (both men and women) have far less body hair than their European counterparts. (and prolly African). Again, this applies to both men and women and I see a higher percentage of East Asian guys keeping the hair on their heads for a lot longer. I would see East Asian guys in their 60's with greying crewcuts. Try finding that on a white guy. (you will, but it will be quite rare).

Seems to me geographically speaking there is a "belt" running north of the equator (but not too far north) where generally speaking, the population will tend to have more body hair than their northern "cousins". Think of southern Europe, North Africa, Middle East (where I see young boys growing full beards as early as 14 LOL) moving East, Pakistan and India would lie across the same latitudes. (I would call it the "Mediterranean / Semitic" belt).

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2367462]Not sure about Shenzhen, there could possibly be some action there but I was in Beijing last week and couldn't find much. I was hampered a bit by having all day meetings and then follow on dinners so I didn't get out as much as I would have liked, but struck out on Tantan. I'd say there is still action about but it's probably limited to people who the girls already know.

I think the Mongolians are all gone from Maggies now. I haven't been there in years. It's not like the old days where you could find girls everywhere. I think som eof this could also be due to the Gov. Crackdown on employees using gov credit cards for dinners and hookers, I think this has been tightened up.[/QUOTE]That's a shame. I always loved visiting Beijing. I haven't been there in about 10 years now though.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2367510]Is it a misconception of mine, or do Indian women have more body hair? I tend to see hairy arms fairly frequently on Indian girls, compared to my Thai GF, where it is very hard to find the hair on her body and even pussy has very little naturally. I have never fucked an Indian girl to my knowledge, possibly some Thais that looked like they could have a trace of Indian blood in the ancestry. Body hair would probably put me off, otherwise I might do them if slim and pretty.

I like the girl in Slum Dog Millionaire but see that she was not even Indian.

I can easily see Indian guys have a lot of hair. One work colleague has a forest growing out of his ears where I have just a few strands that annoy me. I am low on body hair myself, compared to average Farangs same as my father. My brothers generally have more.

I find most body hair annoying and would prefer if under arms, dick and balls had zero hair.

Even hard to find a lot of porn showing naked Indian girls that are not too chubby for me to look at. I quite like Anissa Kate and guess she may be part Indian blood (maybe not I did not research that). I was doing a Thai girl regular that looks slightly like Annisa Kate.

In the past I had a Thai GF (early 2000's) with more obvious hair on her arms than me (blacker I guess and I have just fair wispy stuff). Did not really appeal to me, but better than on her upper lip or chest.

P.S. Skin colour is not really a factor for me. I have done plenty of black girls from many countries. Recall vaguely a Pakistani pretty stripper naked on my lap but did not get to fuck her. That was a very rare exception. I imagined she could be in deep shit from her culture if family found out.

All the girls I have done from Myanmar did not look at all like Indians. More like southern Chinese, Tibetans or like Thais.[/QUOTE]Attached is a photo of India's most famous porn star Sunny Leone. She is my second favorite porn star of all time after Cody Love (gents just keep in mind beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that's my taste). I actually sessioned many girls with Sunny's features in Kolkata.

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You do not know what you missed then. Go to Mumbai (that is the local Hollywood), put on the TV. Indian channels, soaps and stuff. Pick a girl you like that you see on TV, chances are. With the right contacts. You can have her in a couple of days. Been there, done that. The best story of how a fantasy can come true. In my limited experience in Middle East, North America and Asia, this does not happen anywhere else.

Another gem. Several years back, there was a "Kamasutra" escort in Goa (that is the book of sex with 64 styles, apparently written in India ages ago), she was popular on some Indian sex boards that I checked then. Only overnight sessions, base package included 9 positions. My office colleagues who travelled every quarter to India had done 3 sessions with some crazy sex!! She is apparently retired now.

Maybe it looks like a toilet, but there are some diamonds in that shit.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2367416]Haha. If I am considered to have limited experience, then there are only a handful of people in the entire world who would be considered to have more than limited experience. I have traveled all over the world. I've been to around 60 countries in my life and of course I have been to Europe. The only continent I have not visited is Antarctica. I have spent a good amount of time (at least a full year) in every other continent. I may have spent over a year of my life in India since I got stuck on a horrid work assignment there, but I never mongered in India. I consider that country to be a toilet, and the chance of my ever returning there is not likely. That's not "racist", that's just calling it as I see it from personal experience. Africa may have some very underdeveloped countries, but I love some of those underdeveloped countries in Africa much more than I like India and the people there are way darker than the people in India for the majority.[/QUOTE]

White / Black: the one thing I learned fooling around in Brazil in the 90's is that there are a thousand shades of grey between Black Black and White White. Sure, I would like to shag a Bollywood actress like Disha Patani in her prime. She is not Caucasian IMHO, she is high class Indian, but who cares what she is cause she is hot. I been to India too. I thought most of the girls were unfuckable, but if I had an invite into the right places, I think I would find some beautiful girls there. And girls like Disha speak English.

On a related subject, here is a interesting and somewhat alarming link to a website titled "30 Bollywood Actresses Without Makeup" [URL]https://www.stylecraze.com/articles/15-bollywood-stars-without-makeup/[/URL]#gref. I always thought less makeup was best. That way you know what you are getting and no surprises when you wake up in the morning. LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2367613]........... I thought most of the girls were unfuckable............ LOL.[/QUOTE]Wow, tastes really differ. I've been to over 50 countries and there is not one country in which I would not want to fuck the majority of women I saw there. I must be a male s l u t.

Last Nights Report, September 7, 2019.

17:30.

1. I stopped no where in NP because a bunch of Western Girls were walking around filming the action. No loss to me, I leave GoGos to the Asian tourists who deserve their pocket [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url].

2. The girls outside the nana Carpark all the way down the road were at the best, mediocre, and at the worst, frightful. Truly the bottom of the barrel.

3. Kasalong. Nothing of note.

4. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. Two cute cuties under 30. One had hoovered me before and was quite adequate. A Japanese guy was grabbing her, so I bagged the other on a whim. Excellent, did the trick after a great dinner.

5. Thermae. I still needed some miles on my meter so I decided to walk until the beeper went off and of course I stopped at my fav brothel, I mean bar. The fact that the door guy fist bumped me and did the bro hug as I have taught him lit up the eye of a few ladies. Of course, as they offer the free desert after one has pounded down a 2 kilo Cowboy Ribeye, so was the Thermae chock full of doables for me. By doable for me I mean to my taste, although with looks that would be classified as attractive to anyone. But sated, I took the smiles for in futuro offers and will go back tonight undrained.

Hey guys,

Too much talk on this thread about skin colour etc! Anyway, wanted to get back to it and get everyone's opinion on a Top 5 list for Bangkok. Maybe that is something we could all agree on LOL!

So here's mine.

1- Bell.

2- Pim.

3- Tanxxx.

4- Vanida.

5- Rita.

Hey Mickey,

I'm from India, looks like you have made some fantasies come true! Would you be kind enough to give me some pointers about how to reach some actress etc.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2367597]You do not know what you missed then. Go to Mumbai (that is the local Hollywood), put on the TV. Indian channels, soaps and stuff. Pick a girl you like that you see on TV, chances are. With the right contacts. You can have her in a couple of days. Been there, done that. The best story of how a fantasy can come true. In my limited experience in Middle East, North America and Asia, this does not happen anywhere else.

Another gem. Several years back, there was a "Kamasutra" escort in Goa (that is the book of sex with 64 styles, apparently written in India ages ago), she was popular on some Indian sex boards that I checked then. Only overnight sessions, base package included 9 positions. My office colleagues who travelled every quarter to India had done 3 sessions with some crazy sex!! She is apparently retired now.

Maybe it looks like a toilet, but there are some diamonds in that shit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2367732]Wow, tastes really differ. I've been to over 50 countries and there is not one country in which I would not want to fuck the majority of women I saw there. I must be a male s l u t.[/QUOTE]Agreed, me too.

Also When was t he Bangkok reports forum renamed and repurposed as the India is shit Indian people are shit Indian women are ugly and hairy and smelly forum? I didn't get the memo? I've just finished reading up on the everyone at tulip is hiv positive memo.

Wow! Is that right?

I am in BKK next week, although Tulip was not on my agenda it worries how bad it is at other places. Of which we have no news.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2367810] I've just finished reading up on the everyone at tulip is hiv positive memo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2367732]Wow, tastes really differ. I've been to over 50 countries and there is not one country in which I would not want to fuck the majority of women I saw there. I must be a male s l u t.[/QUOTE]I would say that I'm not interested in 75% of the women in any nation, and in some that percentage climbs way higher. I've been in some places where I go for some time without seeing a gal that I'd do.

[QUOTE=Catire;2367563]Isn't this a sort of silly question? You certainly have a right to your body hair preferences, etc (though I would be curious to see if your views may change if you saw several women you really wanted, but they wouldn't shave themselves just for "you".
[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Yes if women with too much hair do not want to get rid of it, I might not pick them. Imagine me going into a bar with nude dancers and seeing a girl with big Bush. Would I pick her? No, very doubtful. If has arm and leg hair obvious, then even less likely.

I have seen European girls with dark upper lip hair, and puts me off big time. Hard to understand why they don't try to get rid of it.

Could be my conditioning coming from a rather non hairy family whether males or females. Similarly I don't demand big tits all the time, could be related to mother being rather flat chested.

I always liked exotic foreign female movie stars, Asian, and black, and European, since I was young no matter what colour they are, but certainly not hairy. Beautiful smooth skin is an asset.

Don't be so concerned about generalisation, I am always willing to evaluate individuals separately. If a woman is my spec, I don't care what country she comes from, nor really her age.

I have not met many Indian hookers so very few chances to really go for one. In the work environment, met plenty of Indian girls, but never really had the hots for one. Certainly had the hots for a few darker girls without always really knowing the ancestry. Mauritius girls can be stunning and may have mixed ancestry.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2367613]g link to a website titled "30 Bollywood Actresses Without Makeup" [URL]https://www.stylecraze.com/articles/15-bollywood-stars-without-makeup/[/URL]#gref. I always thought less makeup was best. That way you know what you are getting and no surprises when you wake up in the morning. LOL.[/QUOTE]I had an Indian GF once. She was beautiful and I really missed that psycho with daddy issues but the thing I loved and missed the most was her cooking. It was like having a free supply of the most perfect Indian food right in my kitchen. But the place stunk from the minute she arrived. She was the best and worst of multiculturalism.

But I missed the Thai girl who asked me to put my whole fist inside her v the most. It feels good in there.

[QUOTE=Catire;2367563]Isn't this a sort of silly question? You certainly have a right to your body hair preferences, etc (though I would be curious to see if your views may change if you saw several women you really wanted, but they wouldn't shave themselves just for "you".

Clearly there are hair differences among certain groups of people (you will see European women with moustaches) and others with little body hair.

Ditto among men. Some chests are more hairy than others. Some have some back hair. Others have a lot.

It's all generalization (s) but it's quite clear for e. G. That East Asians generally speaking (both men and women) have far less body hair than their European counterparts. (and prolly African). Again, this applies to both men and women and I see a higher percentage of East Asian guys keeping the hair on their heads for a lot longer. I would see East Asian guys in their 60's with greying crewcuts. Try finding that on a white guy. (you will, but it will be quite rare).

Seems to me geographically speaking there is a "belt" running north of the equator (but not too far north) where generally speaking, the population will tend to have more body hair than their northern "cousins". Think of southern Europe, North Africa, Middle East (where I see young boys growing full beards as early as 14 LOL) moving East, Pakistan and India would lie across the same latitudes. (I would call it the "Mediterranean / Semitic" belt).[/QUOTE]I've called off sessions with attractive gals who had a jungle downstairs.

I keep myself immaculately groomed. Shaved shaft, balls, taint, keister, and keep the minimal chest and back hair I have shaved as well. I expect the same. A landing strip is OK, but a huge muff? No way. Lips and keister must be devoid of hair. Pit hair and leg hair are a no-go as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2367835]I would say that I'm not interested in 75% of the women in any nation, and in some that percentage climbs way higher. I've been in some places where I go for some time without seeing a gal that I'd do.[/QUOTE]In 1991 I thought that less than 10% of girls of a suitable age in my home country were doable, but maybe 25 to 30% of Thai girls of a suitable age were, or maybe of the hookers, who were probably a little above average. Now I think that only about 5 to 10% of Thai hookers are pretty enough to consider, where young girls in my home country look way better on average than they did when I was young. So my taste might have changed.

I can be in a bar of 40 girls and really only looking at 2 or 3. I could be in Thermae and only considering 2 or 3. I could visit a string of oily MPs near each other and fail to get a girl.

So yeh I can see the huge difference from guys that will fuck anything, and go to an oily determined to try "the shop" for some unknown reason, so will always take whatever the best girl is, not matter how ordinary she looks.

For many guys, I see they equate "young girls" to "pretty girls" even if faces are actually quite plain. For me it is not about her age.

So some of us are very visually oriented and some are not. Unnatural curves caused by surgeries are also not pleasing to my eyes. I suppose looking at lots of pretty girl porn when younger has sort of spoiled me. Playboy and penthouse mags. Ha ha. Hot skinny models naked excites me. Blubber does not get me going at all. Never did a fat girl all my life that I can recall, at most slightly overweight. I did do a girl that had gained too much weight (used to have a good figure when I first did her) for free, but wasn't exciting any more. I guess she was nearly to "fat" category (at least by my standards). Can't imagine ever paying for a well over weight girl.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2367887]In 1991 I thought that less than 10% of girls of a suitable age in my home country were doable, but maybe 25 to 30% of Thai girls of a suitable age were, or maybe of the hookers, who were probably a little above average. Now I think that only about 5 to 10% of Thai hookers are pretty enough to consider, where young girls in my home country look way better on average than they did when I was young. So my taste might have changed.

I can be in a bar of 40 girls and really only looking at 2 or 3. I could be in Thermae and only considering 2 or 3. I could visit a string of oily MPs near each other and fail to get a girl.

So yeh I can see the huge difference from guys that will fuck anything, and go to an oily determined to try "the shop" for some unknown reason, so will always take whatever the best girl is, not matter how ordinary she looks.

For many guys, I see they equate "young girls" to "pretty girls" even if faces are actually quite plain. For me it is not about her age.

So some of us are very visually oriented and some are not. Unnatural curves caused by surgeries are also not pleasing to my eyes. I suppose looking at lots of pretty girl porn when younger has sort of spoiled me. Playboy and penthouse mags. Ha ha. Hot skinny models naked excites me. Blubber does not get me going at all. Never did a fat girl all my life that I can recall, at most slightly overweight. I did do a girl that had gained too much weight (used to have a good figure when I first did her) for free, but wasn't exciting any more. I guess she was nearly to "fat" category (at least by my standards). Can't imagine ever paying for a well over weight girl.[/QUOTE]Are you looking for a wife or permanent GF?

Girls come in various shapes and sizes and color. Beauty is in the eye -so the saying goes. Some of the best sex I had were from borderline ugly girls. It is all about chemistry. I am not talking about bar girls. Bargirls have seen one too many dicks and they are least bit interested in making you totally happy. So you as a buyer who is choosey does not mean anything to them.

If you are a monger you need to fuck all sorts and taste all varieties. Being picky will land you lonely nights. Remember even a pretty girl in the bar may not be willing to go with you.

Mine is exclusively from dating sites. I get rebuffed often from pretty girls saying they are looking for serious relationship. So for fun on my travel I am not picky. Although I have got my share of pretty girls whose pics I have posted. Even the ugliest girl on personal meetings gets fucked at least once. Sometimes they are the best in sex like the 23 year old nurse who I can fuck 10 times a day. She was always playing with my dick. Now she is married and living in UK.

So being picky for a casual monger does not make sense IMHO.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2367887]So some of us are very visually oriented and some are not. Unnatural curves caused by surgeries are also not pleasing to my eyes. I suppose looking at lots of pretty girl porn when younger has sort of spoiled me. Playboy and penthouse mags. Ha ha. Hot skinny models naked excites me. Blubber does not get me going at all. Never did a fat girl all my life that I can recall, at most slightly overweight. I did do a girl that had gained too much weight (used to have a good figure when I first did her) for free, but wasn't exciting any more. I guess she was nearly to "fat" category (at least by my standards). Can't imagine ever paying for a well over weight girl.[/QUOTE]Can totally relate with this, I can't come if the girl is not reasonably pretty. It's not just dick stimulation which works for me, I also need something for my eyes. On more than one occasion, my dick denied to got up just because girl wasn't pretty. And I agree, it has to do with porn, and hot chicks in them. Even when I watch porn, I can't just watch a video with some hardcore ramming or CIM shit. Girl has to look hot and should have a pretty face.

It's just a preference, but some people can't just accept the fact that people can have different preferences without being right or wrong.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2367884]I've called off sessions with attractive gals who had a jungle downstairs.

I keep myself immaculately groomed. Shaved shaft, balls, taint, keister, and keep the minimal chest and back hair I have shaved as well. I expect the same. A landing strip is OK, but a huge muff? No way. Lips and keister must be devoid of hair. Pit hair and leg hair are a no-go as well.[/QUOTE]

It all comes down to personal preference. I don't mind some body hair on an Asian girl, as long as the snatch is trimmed sufficiently to be accessible. I found that girls with some forearm hair tend to be more horny (not sure why, maybe hormones).

Don't like European werewolves much, though.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2367893]Are you looking for a wife or permanent GF?

If you are a monger you need to fuck all sorts and taste all varieties. Being picky will land you lonely nights. Remember even a pretty girl in the bar may not be willing to go with you.
[/QUOTE]No, I have a good looking GF with a good body already. I don't want to fuck a girl of a significantly lower standard. What is the point?

Any amount of logic can't make a guy find the girl very exciting.

You are right, being picky results in missing out. That is still better than wasting my money on an ugly girl, for me. Sure I get the knock backs too, especially in the Thermae. Most girls in there that I want, don't want me. I have to find chemistry first and with some pretty girls, they like me for one reason or another, firstly money, and secondly I am fairly easy going, not too demanding for the activities (other than taking time), and try to turn them on too. Some pretty girls can actually be horny, or happy enough to get a pop.

In my case I have experienced very good performance girls whose looks were not up to scratch in the past. I just don't have the interest to keep doing that. The dick might not even stay up if she just does not look sexy enough, these days. I must have got jaded.

Sure I have fucked some ordinary looking girls over the years. However little interest to do that these days. I can go unfucked. Not so desperate for it any more. Looking for quality more than quantity.

Maybe I can't explain why, but it seems like a fabulous dream for a very pretty slim young girl to be grinding away on me in cowgirl to get her orgasm. Where if was an ugly girl I would feel nearly nothing in comparison. Does anyone watch ugly girl porn? If the girl is not really pretty with great body and pretty pussy, I would turn her off very quite quickly.

However each to their own. I can understand that face looks don't matter for some guys, they just need to get the dick into a piece of meat of some type, or are in heaven with a girl that has super porn star performance and will do lots of "nasty" things. So guys get turned on by extreme acts. Sure I hear of all these guys totally bored with fucking a beautiful pussy and needing to do ugly a-holes. I don't know why but suspect they need extreme tight grip on their cock.

I also know there are guys that can do ladyboys or even prefer them, but that is not for me. I need beautiful pussy. For me girls with lots of surgeries can look similar to ladyboys and lose their appeal, especially when the natural curves are not there. So many girls have surgeries now, that my options are reduced a lot. I do fuck girls with surgeries often, but they are more subtle cases usually. I like soft tits rather than hard tits.

The whole industry would not be workable if we all picked the same girls. Most of my girls do not struggle to get customers unless they are in the zero English category. Some guys demand a girl with good or reasonable English skills. No idea what they need that for. I have fucked Cuban girls and had a wonderful time, with zero ability to communicate verbally.

I actually picked up a darker skinned Indian / Bengali / S. Asian working girl from the old defunct Spicy (if I remember the name correctly). I don't think I have ever seen an Indian looking working girl anywhere in Bangkok, other than that night.

I don't remember to what extent she had more body hair than other gals, but I do remember the experience as quite unsatisfactory. Clearly the young woman thought of all of it as a quickie wham bam thank you m'aam experience where she can be done and collect her money. (and she was nervous and jittery about the entire thing, I should have called it off right then and there). Clearly such episodes happen among girls of all races and ethnic backgrounds, but it makes me suspect finding an Indian GFE could be difficult (and or quite expensive)

I did it for purely the exoticity of copulating with a woman of her look, and while I knew there was a chance of a shit experience, I rolled the dice and I lost.

I'll also say that I have several friends who have worked as expats in India, and their thoughts about the place are quite uniform. A small sample size and this isn't the place to discuss their experience (s), but it makes you go "hmmmm".

BTW, one of the hottest girls in my undergraduate pool / class in college was a lighter skinned Indian American. (top notch uni) . She had her pick of the litter, wound up choosing a white guy for a bf (and he was actually quite a nice fellow) I wonder if her parents knew, as Indian parents tend to be quite conservative/traditional and would not allow their daughters to date a non Indian, or even date someone not first chosen/approved of by the family .. or .. perhaps her parents weren't conservative/traditional).

[QUOTE=Catire;2367928]I actually picked up a darker skinned Indian / Bengali / S. Asian working girl from the old defunct Spicy (if I remember the name correctly). I don't think I have ever seen an Indian looking working girl anywhere in Bangkok, other than that night.

I don't remember to what extent she had more body hair than other gals, but I do remember the experience as quite unsatisfactory. Clearly the young woman thought of all of it as a quickie wham bam thank you m'aam experience where she can be done and collect her money. (and she was nervous and jittery about the entire thing, I should have called it off right then and there). Clearly such episodes happen among girls of all races and ethnic backgrounds, but it makes me suspect finding an Indian GFE could be difficult (and or quite expensive)

I did it for purely the exoticity of copulating with a woman of her look, and while I knew there was a chance of a shit experience, I rolled the dice and I lost.

I'll also say that I have several friends who have worked as expats in India, and their thoughts about the place are quite uniform. A small sample size and this isn't the place to discuss their experience (s), but it makes you go "hmmmm".

BTW, one of the hottest girls in my undergraduate pool / class in college was Indian American. (top notch uni) . She had her pick of the litter, wound up choosing a white guy for a bf (and he was actually quite a nice fellow)[/QUOTE]In front of Hillary 2 on soi 4 in Feb. 2019 must have been around 300 am.

I asked for her ID because she looked like I should? She's 18 from Myanmar.

A great BBFS session for 1000 thb but when she left, my hotel room stunk really badly.

I don't know what stunk on her, but it wasn't me, it was rough.

My standards with women relate to cleanliness, health and physical fitness. I do not compromise on those. As far as looks are concerned I see 75% as a reasonable proportion of women worldwide that I would be willing to be intimate with as long as they are in compliance with the aforementioned standards. I have absolutely no problem with a clean, healthy, athletic woman with Bush. With respect to race I consider myself fortunate to like beautiful women of all races and I think that there are a high percentage of beautiful women in all ethnicities. I love variety and today I may desire women of a particular race while tomorrow I am horny for another. Call me the happy monger. We have been having discussions on Indians recently and I highly recommend the attached video to educate all and sundry.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Qcca8xkE[/URL]

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2367830]Wow! Is that right?

I am in BKK next week, although Tulip was not on my agenda it worries how bad it is at other places. Of which we have no news.[/QUOTE]My sarcasm does not translate well into the written word. No one ever has tested hiv positive at tulip. And yes it would be good to know the latest about Bangkok. In the form of reports. In the Bangkok reports forum. Yes I think that sums it up nicely.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2367915]No, I have a good looking GF with a good body already. I don't want to fuck a girl of a significantly lower standard. What is the point?
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[/QUOTE]Well, I'll take a stab at that one. Speaking for myself, I can't automatically count on the most beautiful women I see or meet on a daily basis agreeing to a BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM with me within an hour or so of meeting them and for a reasonable amount of money. I realize that doesn't speak well for my "game." But I find that sort of outcome is far more likely with girls closer to a 7 rating than a 9 or 10. It happens sometimes. But not regularly. For me, that is. YMMV.

And, although I definitely find it easier to skip sex entirely a day or two in a row at my age than it was 30-40 years ago unless the girl I encounter inspires me enough to engage, I am still mindful of the adage, "The more you fuck, the more you fuck and the less you fuck, the less you fuck."

Therefore, I think it is worth it to go forward with the best offer/deal I can swing on a given day or night, even though this particular partner might not be up to my usual lofty standards of beauty, if for no other reason but to avoid getting pulled into that "the less you fuck" downward spiral.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2367810]Agreed, me too.

Also When was t he Bangkok reports forum renamed and repurposed as the India is shit Indian people are shit Indian women are ugly and hairy and smelly forum? I didn't get the memo? I've just finished reading up on the everyone at tulip is hiv positive memo.[/QUOTE]Or is this related to guys who couldn't related to score with Indian women?

[QUOTE=Atillavista;2368245]Or is this related to guys who couldn't related to score with Indian women?[/QUOTE]For some reasons these guys love to pontificate about what they like in a woman.

Like that is useful or anyone other than the writer gives a hoot.

Its a shame because some of these guys live here and can give good intelligence.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2367934]
A great BBFS session for 1000 thb but when she left, my hotel room stunk really badly.

I don't know what stunk on her, but it wasn't me, it was rough.[/QUOTE]"Rank" is possibly the word.

Surprise your room would stink but not notice something earlier unless she decided to drop a big fart at the end. My nose works very well which is not an asset.

In my experience the 3 worst "stink" scenarios with women can be:

A bad period (menstruation) smell that could make you feint.

Mouth that smells like a drain (much worse than just tobacco stink).

Acrid under arm stench is possible too (usually men are much worse). This one is quite unlikely with Thai people. They just don't have Aprocrine glands or extremely few of them.

I consider tobacco and beer odours to be quite minor in comparison, but they certainly happen. I don't understand why really, but not many Thais smell badly of Garlic, even though they eat a lot of it. Yet other nationalities can have strong garlic odours.

It is rare to meet such stinks with Thai girls. Did meet a "drain" mouth Filipina once at work. Once met a Thai / Jamaica mix girl with a foul period (Farangs are the usual bad period smells). Thai taxis can have a foul stink, from various causes including previous customers.

I noticed that Arab men in Bangkok almost always have strong body odour so I don't stand close to them for that reason. I don't know how often they shower and put on clean clothes. The women seem to be vastly better. Perhaps women in general are more careful about cleanliness.

For mouth odours, I notice that older women are much more likely to have bad breath than younger ones, and kids hardly at all. Same for males I am sure.

[QUOTE=Catire;2367928]I wonder if her parents knew, as Indian parents tend to be quite conservative/traditional and would not allow their daughters to date a non Indian, or even date someone not first chosen/approved of by the family .. or .. perhaps her parents weren't conservative/traditional).[/QUOTE]This has changed a lot in recent years. In India too. So it would apply outside India I guess. Hearing from people I work with in India in the past few years, live-in, divorces, extra-martial, ONS has tremendously increased in India. In the big cities. Girls are a lot more open to everything now apparently. I guess a lot of them have moved to the cities for career and live alone, etc. Which makes all this possible.

Having been recently disillusioned with the massage parlor scene in Bangkok with increasing substandard service, I decided to reopen my ThaiFriendly account and do some hunting for freelancers. Of course, about 80% of the messages you get are from ladyboys but whatever. I did find one very nice lady (33 years old, good looking, slim, enhanced chest) who I went back and forth with on about when we'll hook up. She kept on saying that she was busy with work and didn't have any time. That changed quickly when I suggested she take the day off from work and I'd give her some money for her time. More back and forth and we met this afternoon at Asok, she grabbed my hand when she saw me (good sign of things to come), and we walked to a nearby short time hotel.

I had a good feeling about her from her photos and our chat and my expectations of a great afternoon of sex were high. She exceeded my expectations. Deep, passionate kissing, long blowjobs without spitting once, no fake moaning when I started to eat her out her freshly shaved pussy (rather soft, real sounds of pleasure after she got warmed up), no word of condoms and straight into her pussy bareback; she even tossed my salad a couple of times. We fucked three in two hours and she wanted more. And when I paid her (the same amount as I pay massage girls for service + room + tip), she said that it was too much and she felt bad taking that much money.

Superb GFE with enough dirt to make it close to a (former) Tulip PSE. I'll broach the topic of anal with her next time.

Took a bit of work and time to hook up with her but that made it all the sweeter.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2367035]Studies have shown that Indians are largely Caucasoid and although not all Caucasians are white there are white Indians.[/QUOTE]The darker skinned Indians from the states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka and Andra Pradesh are the original inhabitants of India. The Dravidians. The fairer skinned northerners migrated from Persia a few thousand years ago.

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2367881]I had an Indian GF once. She was beautiful and I really missed that psycho with daddy issues but the thing I loved and missed the most was her cooking. It was like having a free supply of the most perfect Indian food right in my kitchen. But the place stunk from the minute she arrived. She was the best and worst of multiculturalism.
[/QUOTE]Did the place stink because of her body odour or because of the cooking smells? You didn't make it quite clear.

I travel on public transport sometimes because parking downtown is just too expensive in my city. I come across many different races and many different smells on buses and trains. Amongst the women, African and Indian are the worst smelling. I think it takes them a while to work out that you need to use deodorant in the west. May be they don't wash their clothes or shower daily. I would not want to fuck one. Chinese and Thai women have no smell at all and most white Caucasian women are fine.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2368632] most white Caucasian women are fine.[/QUOTE]Are you sure?

Once a Thai girl asked me why all the Farang girls (white girls) smell so bad (and she was really serious, and not talking about some bad perfume). She said that all the white girls that came near to her in the BTS had a very bad body odor.

Maybe your nose is more accustomed to white girls body odor than darker girls odor so you almost not detect it.

I'm a brown man and I've never been out of luck in Bangkok. It's all about how you dress up and treat everyone. Right from the cabbies to the security guys to bargirls. If you're a gentleman, you're going to do well in this city. That being said, there are a couple of things I don't understand.

1. How the hell do you guys muster up the courage to go bareback with someone who hasn't verified their medical records with you? Is it an age thing? I'm 32 with a few more years left.

2. Snow White has been seeing a decline of mongers. Where should I go for a PSE now?

3. Okay. I'm not an experienced monger like you'll but I've done almost everything in Bkk except Oiles. What's a good place for a brown man to get in on that kind of fun?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Kuratla;2368609]Having been recently disillusioned with the massage parlor scene in Bangkok with increasing substandard service, I decided to reopen my ThaiFriendly account and do some hunting for freelancers. Of course, about 80% of the messages you get are from ladyboys but whatever. I did find one very nice lady (33 years old, good looking, slim, enhanced chest) who I went back and forth with on about when we'll hook up. She kept on saying that she was busy with work and didn't have any time. That changed quickly when I suggested she take the day off from work and I'd give her some money for her time. More back and forth and we met this afternoon at Asok, she grabbed my hand when she saw me (good sign of things to come), and we walked to a nearby short time hotel.

I had a good feeling about her from her photos and our chat and my expectations of a great afternoon of sex were high. She exceeded my expectations. Deep, passionate kissing, long blowjobs without spitting once, no fake moaning when I started to eat her out her freshly shaved pussy (rather soft, real sounds of pleasure after she got warmed up), no word of condoms and straight into her pussy bareback; she even tossed my salad a couple of times. We fucked three in two hours and she wanted more. And when I paid her (the same amount as I pay massage girls for service + room + tip), she said that it was too much and she felt bad taking that much money.

Superb GFE with enough dirt to make it close to a (former) Tulip PSE. I'll broach the topic of anal with her next time.

Took a bit of work and time to hook up with her but that made it all the sweeter.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. That is similar to the kind of experience I get with dating site hook ups more often than not. I do still like the go-go bar option, the street, bar and club freelancer option. I used to love the BJ Bar option and dabbled only a bit in the massage shop option. I guess I have lost interest in either of those 2 latter options over the past few years. Could be enticed to revisit the BJ Bar scene, I suppose, under the right conditions. And I only partake of the former options a fraction of the time I used to devote to them.

So, for the best bang for my buck and the best chance of getting that Real Sex/True GFE I need and desire with the widest variety of sweet natured Thai females, the only option that has increased in interest for me over the past few years is the online dating site option.

It is rare that I don't have 3-4 juicy or intriguing new possibilities lined up during the week where the most difficult decision to be made is in which order I want to meet them and on which day or night. And that is from age 20 on up. I could populate my week with only 20-somethings. But why do that when there is often real gold in those 30-somethings and the occasional early 40-somethings?

Nicely done, good job!

[QUOTE=Kuratla;2368609]Having been recently disillusioned with the massage parlor scene in Bangkok with increasing substandard service, I decided to reopen my ThaiFriendly account and do some hunting for freelancers. Of course, about 80% of the messages you get are from ladyboys but whatever. I did find one very nice lady (33 years old, good looking, slim, enhanced chest) who I went back and forth with on about when we'll hook up. She kept on saying that she was busy with work and didn't have any time. That changed quickly when I suggested she take the day off from work and I'd give her some money for her time. More back and forth and we met this afternoon at Asok, she grabbed my hand when she saw me (good sign of things to come), and we walked to a nearby short time hotel.

I had a good feeling about her from her photos and our chat and my expectations of a great afternoon of sex were high. She exceeded my expectations. Deep, passionate kissing, long blowjobs without spitting once, no fake moaning when I started to eat her out her freshly shaved pussy (rather soft, real sounds of pleasure after she got warmed up), no word of condoms and straight into her pussy bareback; she even tossed my salad a couple of times. We fucked three in two hours and she wanted more. And when I paid her (the same amount as I pay massage girls for service + room + tip), she said that it was too much and she felt bad taking that much money.

Superb GFE with enough dirt to make it close to a (former) Tulip PSE. I'll broach the topic of anal with her next time.

Took a bit of work and time to hook up with her but that made it all the sweeter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2368686]...That being said, there are a couple of things I don't understand.

1. How the hell do you guys muster up the courage to go bareback with someone who hasn't verified their medical records with you? Is it an age thing? I'm 32 with a few more years left.
...
Cheers.[/QUOTE]I usually muster it up from the girl I am interested in looking into my eyes and agreeing to go bareback with me.

Age? I am 66 now but have been going BB with no negative results from it since I was 19 except for a dose of quickly and easily treated trichomoniasis I contracted from a university girlfriend at about age 22.

But I would never have continued doing it with, by now, thousands of different women if I had not gotten a vasectomy, already been circumcised, taken precaution not to engage in prolonged rough sex likely to cause skin abrasions and possible entry points for potential problems, routinely gotten checked for at least a couple of the most dangerous STIs/STDs to, if nothing else, keep track of my success rate in preventing infection and thereby monitor the effectiveness of my methods, etc.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2368686]2. Snow White has been seeing a decline of mongers. Where should I go for a PSE now?

3. Okay. I'm not an experienced monger like you'll but I've done almost everything in Bkk except Oiles. What's a good place for a brown man to get in on that kind of fun?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Still go to SW for the PSE.

Girls in Bamboo on soi 8 are used to service Indian guys all day long.

The same goes for all the massage shops in soi 22 as Indians are their main customers.

Dream Heaven in soi 26 and soi 33 are good for you also.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2368686]I'm a brown man and I've never been out of luck in Bangkok. It's all about how you dress up and treat everyone. Right from the cabbies to the security guys to bargirls. If you're a gentleman, you're going to do well in this city. That being said, there are a couple of things I don't understand.

1. How the hell do you guys muster up the courage to go bareback with someone who hasn't verified their medical records with you? Is it an age thing? I'm 32 with a few more years left.

2. Snow White has been seeing a decline of mongers. Where should I go for a PSE now?

3. Okay. I'm not an experienced monger like you'll but I've done almost everything in Bkk except Oiles. What's a good place for a brown man to get in on that kind of fun?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Question 1 is best for the Safe Sex thread, but I am sure age comes into it. Also if you have a wife.

3. I never did Oilies in my early Bangkok mongering years, preferring Soapies, the Thermae, and bars. One reason was I don't like to get a real Thai massage. However massage is not essential in PSE shops. Its semi essential though, to try Oily MPs, not necessarily all PSE shops, just so you know what you are missing out on. Go to highly recommended shops first. I have never tried to get girls at discos. So an essential part of the knowledge is missing. One, I don't like most discos and don't like to monger very late at night. This forum finally persuaded me to try some Oilies forget what year. Maybe 2004 when I quit previous GF, or maybe a few years later. Can't recall if my first Oily was Tulip or Thonglor, or what. My forum reports would tell me. Can't be as early as 2004 since I first joined the forum about then.

Really the venue does not matter much. It is about finding a girl that is well worth the money, wherever that maybe. I never went to a hands free restaurant (I think they died out), and never went to a hairdresser that provided sex activities too. So never tried everything. Never fucked a Ladyboy, but did fuck a girl in the public bar area of Star of Light and BJ in the bar elsewhere. Many years ago had about 5 girls molesting me in the Kangaroo bar at same time. So perhaps it is great to try things, but never every last thing.

There are some things I tried once and hardly wanted to go back. No big problem. I can't really comment on best places for brown man. Others probably can. I see plenty partying in Billboard bar. I wish they would sit down instead of jumping all over the place. Maybe the home style to be partying standing up.

I am looking for a proper threesome (including lesbian) action with freelancers. Whats my best bet to try insanity or Mixx? Have been to Eden club main times but its only mechanical sex.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2368699]So, for the best bang for my buck and the best chance of getting that Real Sex/True GFE I need and desire with the widest variety of sweet natured Thai females, the only option that has increased in interest for me over the past few years is the online dating site option.

It is rare that I don't have 3-4 juicy or intriguing new possibilities lined up during the week where the most difficult decision to be made is in which order I want to meet them and on which day or night. And that is from age 20 on up. I could populate my week with only 20-somethings. But why do that when there is often real gold in those 30-somethings and the occasional early 40-somethings?[/QUOTE]Agreed me too. The last three or four times in BKK I have had much better experiences online with a range of normies, and also occasional freelancers on Tinder and OK Cupid, than wandering around all night into expensive bars or trying to find a cute girl in the overly average massage places.

Having said that the last time I was in BKK (a few months ago) I didn't have much luck online at all and it wasn't a very fruitful trip. I had to resort to the old haunts and was a little disappointed except for mind blowing experience at Snow White with a truly awesome woman (can't remember name sorry). Although I kept some contacts who I'll hit up next week when I return to BKK for a few nights. I'll post results.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2368632] Amongst the women, African and Indian are the worst smelling. [/QUOTE]Indians. Men and women. But especially the men tend to be the worst smelling. It is a hygiene thing. They don't wear deodorant and they often still use their hands to dig out the final loose bits after going to the toilet. It is the turmeric or other spices that permeates out of their sweat glands that causes some of the issues. Asians rarely smell, but the smell of their cooking tends to put me off in small premises.

[QUOTE=FreakyMango;2369358]I am looking for a proper threesome (including lesbian) action with freelancers. Whats my best bet to try insanity or Mixx? Have been to Eden club main times but its only mechanical sex.[/QUOTE]I would say slim and none, but how big is your wallet.

I slammed a "Russian" girl there in Mixx a few times in the winter / spring of this year and asked her once but she said she didn't do that. There are alwys a few dyky looking ones there though.

Regardless, money buys you anything. I've seen so called straight white girls gobbling black pussy when the price is right.

Ill be there this weekend as I have been seeing some total Russian hotties out and about. I saw one on Ekkamai 63 yesterday that literally made me forget I had a camera and should have taken a picture of her 6 ft tall blonde tight ass volleyball player frame. And yes, to those of you posting from mommys basement, she was a girl. And if she was at Mixx and would look me in the eye and say 10000 I would hail a cab.

Its like my desire for a hamburger after weeks of Thai food.

[QUOTE=FreakyMango;2369358]I am looking for a proper threesome (including lesbian) action with freelancers. Whats my best bet to try insanity or Mixx? Have been to Eden club main times but its only mechanical sex.[/QUOTE]As I have posted many times before, you can find suitable girls in a bar. I used to do threesomes very regularly in Sheba, Suzie Wong, and more recently Shark. Know a suitable girl at 5 Star. I won't repeat all the detail I posted before. I agree Eden is just for mechanical.

I doubt it would be easy to sus out this sort of thing in a disco.

[QUOTE=Bkkvistor77;2369420]...
Having said that the last time I was in BKK (a few months ago) I didn't have much luck online at all and it wasn't a very fruitful trip. I had to resort to the old haunts and was a little disappointed except for mind blowing experience at Snow White with a truly awesome woman (can't remember name sorry). Although I kept some contacts who I'll hit up next week when I return to BKK for a few nights. I'll post results.[/QUOTE]That is an issue with online dating sites for me as well; days or a couple of weeks can go by with nothing but Interest Clicks and Match Requests from 45-68 year olds living in Isaan despite my Browsing and Settings Filter specifying 18-35 within 15 km of Bangkok. LOL. And only "Hi" replies, if that, from girls I Click Interest in before they disappear from (my) view on the sites.

Then, suddenly, I will start getting eager Clicks and Matches from several sweet young things within 45 minutes travel time to my area of Bangkok 5-6 days in a row.

It just comes and goes in waves like that, quite naturally I think. No other rhyme or reason to it that I have noticed, such as high or low season, holiday weeks or not, etc.

However, the same random good vs bad waves can happen for me in the go-go bar and face-to-face first contact FL scenes, too, always could and often did.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2369765]That is an issue with online dating sites for me as well; days or a couple of weeks can go by with nothing but Interest Clicks and Match Requests from 45-68 year olds living in Isaan despite my Browsing and Settings Filter specifying 18-35 within 15 km of Bangkok. LOL. And only "Hi" replies, if that, from girls I Click Interest in before they disappear from (my) view on the sites.

Then, suddenly, I will start getting eager Clicks and Matches from several sweet young things within 45 minutes travel time to my area of Bangkok 5-6 days in a row.

It just comes and goes in waves like that, quite naturally I think. No other rhyme or reason to it that I have noticed, such as high or low season, holiday weeks or not, etc.

However, the same random good vs bad waves can happen for me in the go-go bar and face-to-face first contact FL scenes, too, always could and often did.[/QUOTE]I should add that I appreciate that it is easier to wade through the less fruitful waves in the dating site scene when you reside in Bangkok full time.

Just last week and swear to god just now, two long forgotten dating site girls from about a year ago who I had met briefly in person, tried but failed to close a deal on BBFS+CIP, Lined me out of the blue to see how I have been lately. LOL.

Yep, within 5 "doing fine and how are you?" exchanges, the one last week agreed and the one just now agreed to this deal: meet for dinner first, back to my room, make sure your pussy is shaved smooth for pleasant DATY, then BBFS+CIP, LT until mid morning for 2,000-2,500 baht depending on how I feel about it.

The one last week came through exceeding expectations. The one just now that I will be seeing tomorrow shows no signs of squirreling out. But it hasn't happened yet, so we shall see. Worst case scenario is she backs out, I have spent zero money and I meet someone else Friday night in Bangkok.

Both girls are slim, trim, cute faced spinners in their mid/late 20's.

I really like the dating site option here in Bangkok.

Is there a bar like Thermae that's more open to westerners? From all the video's and research I've done of Thermae, while a great concept, doesn't seem like a place this aging white guy would fare well.

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2369848]Is there a bar like Thermae that's more open to westerners? From all the video's and research I've done of Thermae, while a great concept, doesn't seem like a place this aging white guy would fare well.[/QUOTE]That is not exactly true, Matty. There are plenty of Thermae FL's just waiting for Farangs like ourselves. The main complaint with Thermae is that many, but not all, of the young lookers prefer Asians. The other main complaint is that the atmosphere in Thermae is kind of Asian juvenile like an Eastern version of cruising as in the movie "American Graffiti," but not as much fun. You should go there at least once to check it out. It is a meat market. Ha Ha. You might like it.

As to similar bars more attuned to Western tastes: the short answer is no. Thermae is a unique bar in BKK due to the sheer number of FL's that ply their trade and hang out there. Like I said, it is a meat market. But there are plenty of hostess bars in the Sukhumvit area to choose from and that cater to Westerners. Try Morning Night bar, BigDogs, Stumble Inn, and any of the Hillary Bars for starters. These are Hostess bars so they are set up differently that Thermae, but they might be more to your liking. Then there are countless smaller bars further down on Soi 4 and on Soi 22 plus there are plenty of SW's hanging out in the Nana parking lot, Soi 4, on Sukhumvit itself, Soi 11, and Soi 22 as well.

And don't forget the Go Go's. The Go Go's are great, at least the better ones that I frequent. The Go Go's are where I find at least 75% of my BKK and Pattaya girls.

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2369848]Is there a bar like Thermae that's more open to westerners? From all the video's and research I've done of Thermae, while a great concept, doesn't seem like a place this aging white guy would fare well.[/QUOTE]I would say the closest thing to a Farang/ Westerner "preferred" bar somewhat similar to Thermae is Beer Garden Soi 7.

There will only be a fraction of females in the place compared to Thermae. As well as a fraction of the customers. The females' ages will skew older. The place serves as much food as it does drinks. And it isn't as though many or just the better looking girls "prefer" Farangs or Westerners to a degree that they would ever refuse to go with an Asian instead of a Farang or Westerner. But I think every girl who goes into Beer Garden Soi 7 assumes she will probably be taken by a Westerner 4 out of 5 times that she is taken.

To your question, the bottom line is it is a bar/restaurant, same as Thermae, not a go-go bar, not a disco, not a beer bar or any other venue with a cover charge, Ladydrinks or a barfine. The drinks are normal price, not inflated to pay for "entertainment" because there is no entertainment other than it is a place to eat, drink, see a "line up" of sorts of available Thai female freelancers to take to your room or a nearby ST room. What the customer pays the girl is all the money she is going to get for her time there.

The basic premise being essentially the same as Thermae.

Except I am not aware that any Beer Garden Soi 7 girl would or has ever shunned a Westerner simply because he is a Westerner in favor of waiting for an Asian customer instead. Or one who does so routinely. Maybe there is some anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

Natty,

Are you in BKK now? If so send me a PM.

Canyon.

Thanks for the info and clarifications, it's much appreciated. It seems like Thermae is a unique to mongering kind of place that's worth checking out once just for shits and giggles, even if it's only for a drink.

Having lived in Vegas for 20+ years, I've gotten way past the age or care of drinking myself silly and staying out late, so I'm wondering if there are places in the daytime, other than MP's and BJ bars, that are suited for mongering? It appears that some of the beer bars might be open in the daytime, though I can't imagine many lookers are there at 1 pm versus 1 am.

Thanks once again.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2369860]That is not exactly true, Matty. There are plenty of Thermae FL's just waiting for Farangs like ourselves. The main complaint with Thermae is that many, but not all, of the young lookers prefer Asians. The other main complaint is that the atmosphere in Thermae is kind of Asian juvenile like an Eastern version of cruising as in the movie "American Graffiti," but not as much fun. You should go there at least once to check it out. It is a meat market. Ha Ha. You might like it.

As to similar bars more attuned to Western tastes: the short answer is no. Thermae is a unique bar in BKK due to the sheer number of FL's that ply their trade and hang out there. Like I said, it is a meat market. But there are plenty of hostess bars in the Sukhumvit area to choose from and that cater to Westerners. Try Morning Night bar, BigDogs, Stumble Inn, and any of the Hillary Bars for starters. These are Hostess bars so they are set up differently that Thermae, but they might be more to your liking. Then there are countless smaller bars further down on Soi 4 and on Soi 22 plus there are plenty of SW's hanging out in the Nana parking lot, Soi 4, on Sukhumvit itself, Soi 11, and Soi 22 as well.

And don't forget the Go Go's. The Go Go's are great, at least the better ones that I frequent. The Go Go's are where I find at least 75% of my BKK and Pattaya girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2370002]Thanks for the info and clarifications, it's much appreciated. It seems like Thermae is a unique to mongering kind of place that's worth checking out once just for shits and giggles, even if it's only for a drink.

Having lived in Vegas for 20+ years, I've gotten way past the age or care of drinking myself silly and staying out late, so I'm wondering if there are places in the daytime, other than MP's and BJ bars, that are suited for mongering? It appears that some of the beer bars might be open in the daytime, though I can't imagine many lookers are there at 1 pm versus 1 am.

Thanks once again.[/QUOTE]There again, Beer Garden Soi 7 is not an MP, not a BJ Bar, is open during the day and is a place to sit, relax and meet freelancers. You might go in and there will only be 2 girls sitting in there. Or none. But I have passed through and seen a dozen or more in there in the afternoon. And probably as much chance of meeting a "looker" in there as in most MPs and BJ Bars.

Also, I would not necessarily dismiss the idea of finding better looking girls in any P4P venues during the day vs night time. The venues that are open during the day, that is.

Daytime-only hookers are more often than not trying harder to pass themselves off to their family, boyfriends, husbands, sponsors, et al as "normal", non P4P girls with a regular job during the day. By definition, they are often more likely to be in demand at least to the degree that some dude or dudes are committed to taking care of them and jealous enough to keep them out of the business. LOL.

One of the best looking freelancers I have met in the past few years was a girl sitting almost alone in Beer Garden Soi 7 during the daytime, maybe only 2 other women in the place and 3 guys drinking beer. She was very keen for me to take her for ST but I had just finished a marathon night LT and was only cruising through Beer Garden to find my buddy. So I asked for her Line ID to meet up with her another day. She said she did not have Line, WhatsApp or any other similar app. And could not give me her phone number. Why? In all likelihood it was because she never, never, never wanted to risk getting caught by her boyfriend or sponsor with another man's name and contact info on her phone.

I am sure she had those apps on her phone. She just didn't want me and 50 other guys' accounts in them.

Then I asked if she was going to be in Beer Garden later, in the evening. Nope.

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2370002]Thanks for the info and clarifications, it's much appreciated. It seems like Thermae is a unique to mongering kind of place that's worth checking out once just for shits and giggles, even if it's only for a drink.

Having lived in Vegas for 20+ years, I've gotten way past the age or care of drinking myself silly and staying out late, so I'm wondering if there are places in the daytime, other than MP's and BJ bars, that are suited for mongering? It appears that some of the beer bars might be open in the daytime, though I can't imagine many lookers are there at 1 pm versus 1 am.

Thanks once again.[/QUOTE]Dude,

I'm with you. Its so haaaaard sometimes to drag my ass out. And the GoGo bars don't impress me, because I have been there done that before half the folks here got off mommys nip. That's why I am a Thermae dude or Mixx for the times I want to go out, sometimes Spasso. I can guarantee getting what I want if I want it.

I like to combine trips out with football, that way I can get a Chang Soda and watch the game and the girls in Thermae. Or Spasso. Mixx, its just pure cruising, but I like the music.

To visitors, here is your pre high season wisdom:

The girls in any of the falang bars (Hillarys etc) are usually too old and haggard for me. I try to stay well below 30. YMMV, but my idea of fun is not hanging out with a bunch of beer drinking singlet wearing yobs anyway. Insanity is OK, its more club than pickup joint but I have had some luck there if I'm in the mood. But its on Soi 11 and that's just farang party street, a Khao San Road for the more well heeled with higher grade hookers (a bit older too), overpriced food and drinks and a tourist atmosphere. You come all the way to Thailand to party with farangs, that's your place. GoGos on Soi Cowboy are for tourists. If you want to get laid there, make sure your choice is bar fineable. And expect your wallet to be waaaaay lighter when done. I can get any GoGo girl or even many coyotes but quite frankly, I know what I am doing and you don't. Nana is a bit more boomboom oriented but make sure you are ready to pay. The street girls on Nana are the bottom of the barrel, although you can find even lower around Sanam Luang if you know what you are doing. There are some "chicken shacks" and Thai places you can go to, but I don't recommend that for tourists, so don't ask me. That leaves Patpong (gay and tourist) and the best of the lot, Thermae. Anyone can get laid in Thermae for the cost of a 60 baht Chang Soda.

I don't do massage places more than once every few months so have nothing to say. I mostly want a scrub anyway.

If its your first time in Thailand, by all means have fun with your mates in a GoGo, but don't think you are getting a bargain, or that she is going to fall in love with you, or that even the sex will be that great (although there is no such thing as bad sex). All the strategies and posing from guys who have something to say about everything you read here, including bad breath, armpit hair, and their first Thai GF 20 years ago who knows Pim who once worked with Poon who did anal for a while, are meaningless when you hit the ground.

If you can stand to wade through all the personal, ego driven, pedantic, lecturing and stupid BS some folks post over and over, you can find gems here and there. Have a splendid trip. Do make an effort to stop in Thermae, spy the one you want, walk right over and ask her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2370063]There again, Beer Garden Soi 7 is not an MP, not a BJ Bar, is open during the day and is a place to sit, relax and meet freelancers.

One of the best looking freelancers I have met in the past few years was a girl sitting almost alone in Beer Garden Soi 7 during the daytime,.[/QUOTE]We had the same lucky experience. One of the hottest ladies I've ever been with, I met, years ago, in the Soi 7 Beer Garden before taking a taxi to the airport. I was hoping to have a quick slice of Heaven before leaving. There she was!! I saw her walk out of the bathroom. Tall, slender and so sexy!! She walked right out of my dream. Off we went to my hotel nearby. On return visits, I made it a point to always sit near the bathroom to catch the ladies' "walk. " That would be my tip, because, what can you really tell about a ladies' figure when she is sitting at the bar?

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2370002]Having lived in Vegas for 20+ years, I've gotten way past the age or care of drinking myself silly and staying out late, so I'm wondering if there are places in the daytime, other than MP's and BJ bars, that are suited for mongering?.[/QUOTE]If it's still in business you might want to consider the AVA Bar on Soi11 after 6 pm, on the left hand side of the road if you are walking away from Suk Road. Take a fully loaded wallet though.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/AVABarWine-RoomResturant-212734785422965/[/URL]

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2370002]Thanks for the info and clarifications, it's much appreciated. It seems like Thermae is a unique to mongering kind of place that's worth checking out once just for shits and giggles, even if it's only for a drink.

Having lived in Vegas for 20+ years, I've gotten way past the age or care of drinking myself silly and staying out late, so I'm wondering if there are places in the daytime, other than MP's and BJ bars, that are suited for mongering? It appears that some of the beer bars might be open in the daytime, though I can't imagine many lookers are there at 1 pm versus 1 am[/QUOTE]There are plenty of bars open from the morning in Sukhumvit Soi 4, with Barfinable girls. I have used it in the past. Whether there are enough pretty ones I can't say, but okay To compete with the massage joints mostly opening 11 am or maybe 10 am for some.

If you can get a girl for all night and do her the next morning, that is good, for bargirls and freelancers. Getting a fuck for breakfast is the hardest one.

Soapy massage places open in daytime but line up is usually weak up till maybe 5. 30 Pm or later. So Soapies have very limited good mongering time span for me.

I am not usually in prime condition for sex much past 2 or 3 am so don't like to go to discos (for various reasons). Hate the noise too. Once you get private contact details, lining up bargirls for afternoon encounter is a good option.

My level of luck is quite poor in the Thermae, for girls wanting to have fun and having good experience with farangs, and still hot, but have a look. Different guys have different opinions. Probably does not help that I don't go for the high surgeries look, and that eliminates so many for me. Naturally pretty girls with hot bodies, not really that many, in a large group.

Escorts during daytime might be very good option that even I should be trying out. My worry is girls looks being far behind their photos, and even many photos don't impress.

An element of skill in assessing girls, and an element of luck. Being in a bar at 8PM is still a lot easier for me. Can chat to a girl for extended time before deciding, can check out her body while sitting on your lap. Daytime bars not as good.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2369900]I would say the closest thing to a Farang/ Westerner "preferred" bar somewhat similar to Thermae is Beer Garden Soi 7.
[/QUOTE]What is your hit rate for finding a good girl per visit.

I think in all my years in Bangkok I either never took a girl from Beer Garden or else she was not memorable and I forgot. I don't find girls there that are simply a must do look about them, and I don't much like the style there, and a bit overly spread out to be able to watch a few potential targets at same time. Might have spent more effort avoiding unwanted girls, perhaps.

My visits were also very few, I guess. Did not take long to consider it a waste of time for me. Always worth a visit again to re-evaluate in case I got it wrong. Are the looks better or worse than on Soi 4? I would not know.

Bam, as I understood her name, very pretty, lovely face, tiny with nice shape, almost no breasts but large nipples. No baby damage. Age 21. Bob haircut. Slightly darker skin. Standing with chubby friend, who could translate BBBJ. English very limited. Multiple positions and took direction well.

1200 plus 300ST hotel down alley, almost opposite her place of work. WIR yes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2370172]What is your hit rate for finding a good girl per visit.
[/QUOTE]My hit rate for taking a Beer Garden lady of a minimally acceptable level of attractiveness to me is absolutely abysmal. And I don't require my ladies to approach 9's and 10's even by bargirl standards. A solid bargirl 7+ can be doable for me if the chemistry otherwise is right.

But here's the thing; at some point in the conversation in the bar, I tell the lady about my BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM requirement if I am going to take her. LOL. That is where any reasonably acceptable looking lady that I have met in Beer Garden Soi 7 says, "no". To either.

Out of roughly 25-30 Beer Garden ladies I have met and bothered to discuss taking over the past several years, exactly 1 has said Yes to BBFS+CIP and she was one one the least attractive ladies I have ever seen in there. Thought I would break my Beer Garden "no" curse with her. I didn't. LOL.

One other Beer Garden lady did agree to BBBJ+CIM about a year ago. First one ever for me from there. But she lied. At the crucial moment she pulled away and I had to finish myself off to avoid severe pain.

I didn't mention that part of it for me in this exchange because the OP did not indicate that anything other than basic standard covered FS was an issue. And my number of refusals could be way higher than his or anyone elses as far as I know. I have seen plenty of girls in there who would compete lookswise with many elsewhere. And I see a lot of Farangs taking a lot of girls from there so it must be working out ok for them if not for me.

I get much, much better results at Thermae and in go-go bars than in Beer Garden Soi 7.

Yes, you're right, I didn't talk about my needs, that's my bad. My needs are pretty much the same as yours, BB everything pretty much. Seems like Tulip's might be my best bet for that. I can set aside the age factor as long as the nastiness factor is there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2370223]My hit rate for taking a Beer Garden lady of a minimally acceptable level of attractiveness to me is absolutely abysmal. And I don't require my ladies to approach 9's and 10's even by bargirl standards. A solid bargirl 7+ can be doable for me if the chemistry otherwise is right.

But here's the thing; at some point in the conversation in the bar, I tell the lady about my BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM requirement if I am going to take her. LOL. That is where any reasonably acceptable looking lady that I have met in Beer Garden Soi 7 says, "no". To either.

Out of roughly 25-30 Beer Garden ladies I have met and bothered to discuss taking over the past several years, exactly 1 has said Yes to BBFS+CIP and she was one one the least attractive ladies I have ever seen in there. Thought I would break my Beer Garden "no" curse with her. I didn't. LOL.

One other Beer Garden lady did agree to BBBJ+CIM about a year ago. First one ever for me from there. But she lied. At the crucial moment she pulled away and I had to finish myself off to avoid severe pain.

I didn't mention that part of it for me in this exchange because the OP did not indicate that anything other than basic standard covered FS was an issue. And my number of refusals could be way higher than his or anyone elses as far as I know. I have seen plenty of girls in there who would compete lookswise with many elsewhere. And I see a lot of Farangs taking a lot of girls from there so it must be working out ok for them if not for me.

I get much, much better results at Thermae and in go-go bars than in Beer Garden Soi 7.[/QUOTE]

It's all a crap shoot. One of the hottest ladies I've ever been with, I met, years ago, in the Soi 7 Beer Garden around Noon before taking a taxi to the airport. I was hoping to have a quick slice of heaven before leaving so I gave the Beer Garden a chance. There she was!! I saw her walk out of the bathroom. Tall, slender and so sexy!! Off we went to my hotel nearby. On return visits, I made it a point to always sit within eye-shot of the bathroom to catch the ladies' "walk. " That would be my tip, because, what can you really tell about a ladies' figure when she is sitting at the bar? The walk speaks volumes.

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2370247]Yes, you're right, I didn't talk about my needs, that's my bad. My needs are pretty much the same as yours, BB everything pretty much. Seems like Tulip's might be my best bet for that. I can set aside the age factor as long as the nastiness factor is there.[/QUOTE]My dinner and LT online freelancer date for last night cancelled and postponed until tonight, so I found myself strolling through Nana Plaza about 10pm. One cute door girl at Mandarin was interesting enough to pull me in for 1 ladydrink. The barfine for her was 1,500 baht, which is usually a good sign to me that she would be more up for BB compared to the lesser barfine girls. And she seemed very eager for me to take her. But the chemistry just wasn't there for me so I did not even bother bringing up the issue of BB and moved on.

Second girl I was stopped by was a very good looking girl sitting outside Enter. Took her in for a drink. Felt a good vibe and I would rate her a bargirl 8+. She would fit right in on the left side at Thermae and be a Super Superstar in Beer Garden Soi 7.

"Barfine me?" she asked.

Maybe. How much for barfine?

"800. And 3000 for ST to me. Well, 2,500 I go with you, ok? 2000 cannot, 2,500 can."

Oh, pang pang (expensive). Hmm. Sweetheart, I will pay bar for you and give you 2,500 if we do (whispering in her ear) boom boom no condom.

(smile) "ok, you safe? I do with you."

And that was all there was to it. Never once has a bargirl 6 or better in Beer Garden said Yes to me for BB on any terms out of at least 25 tries over 5 years. And we don't even get to the money part before it is No, No and did I mention No?

I know Beer Garden girls generally go ST for between 1000-2000 baht maximum. So my Nana go-go girl last night was more. But well worth the extra expense to me.

On the other hand, I get why guys pick up girls in Beer Garden. I have to assume that most guys who frequent Beer Garden get what they want and need from those girls in ways I have never gotten. Their "game" might be much better than mine, their choices better, their luck better and so on. Or, more likely I suppose, they are not going for an upfront agreement to BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM with a certain minimum level and up of attractive girl as I do.

A few hours well spent on Friday. Started early by 7 pm on Soi Cowboy. Things were still starting up so spent a couple of hours at a nearby beer joint just soaking in the weekend scene. The girls in a couple of places closer to Asok road (Spice girls, Toy bar) seemed quite good. Baccara was already flooding with Asian guys. Walked over to Thermae where the pick of girls was definitely the best. It was bustling with activity early by 9 pm and a lot of shy Indian and Asian guys / first timers hung around just drinking beers. Quickly decided not to do anything there since it was drizzling and could not be bothered to do a quickie in the rooms upstairs. The girls would not walk 5 minutes in the rain to my hotel for sure.

Nana Plaza was a let down, of sorts. Soi Cowboy had better girls I felt. Downed a couple of beers and got a couple of girls over in Butterflies to talk to - 4000 seemed like a lot of money for st and 1 shot only. They are young and quite good looking but did not "click". It also seemed to be a very sales-why place with re-orders of drinks being pushed when the earlier bottle was just half empty. Ducked into Spankys for a bit, but did not see anything interesting (3 of us guys had a great time there a few months back and had also taken out the girls after bar fine).

Went back to tried and trusted Bamboo massage. I had heard from a couple of guys they had some new girls. Chatted with a Brit guy while waiting for the girls, he was thrilled after the session and was already making plans for the next day there with the same girl. Picked a young 20+ Isean girl, Eve she said her name was. No marks anywhere on the body, good figure, no fat anywhere but not slim / skinny, and would have been perfect if the back were more shapely. Quite skilled and went to great lengths to please. The usual drill of shower, massage (so-so), and action started. After popping the first time in about 15 minutes, Eve blew really well and hard determined to make me pop again. One of the better BJs in recent times. Tried a couple of different ways and positions to improvise when she realized it was not going to be quick. There is a reason why some of these older places are still favorites. You exactly know the script and they stick to it. No surprises and thinking to do when you really know what you want.

Looking to try smooci or mythaitourguide tonight since there is an early morning flight to catch. Will write up how that goes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2370453] Felt a good vibe and I would rate her a bargirl 8+. She would fit right in on the left side at Thermae and be a Super Superstar in Beer Garden Soi 7.[/QUOTE]With the utmost respect dude, that constant reference to the better looking girls being on the left side of Thermae is utter malarky.

I was in there last night (way to crowded). Its the same smattering of hotties through out. In fact, the talent has been getting better.

The only thing the left side has (as you are facing the bar) is that they are sometimes overall younger, except for the older one with the face like a gargoyle who seems to do great with the younger Asian guys. Her daughter is always with her, and she is built like like a brick s**thouse although with a younger gargoyle face. I wonder if they would do a mother daughter, hmmmm.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2370223]My hit rate for taking a Beer Garden lady of a minimally acceptable level of attractiveness to me is absolutely abysmal. [/QUOTE]This beirgarten chick was into BBFS. Her name was Nook. She wanted 1000 baht ST, 1500 LT. I kept her a few days. Then again, this was a few years ago.

I know this is meant for the safe sex thread but I'm posting it in both places.

Visited Snow White today. Met a plump Thai girl called "yarakat" or something that sounds like that. She did the usual. Massage and playing around. She was quite mechanical if you ask me but I wasn't complaining. She put on the condom. Rode me. She got tired and I decided to do doggy. While in the doggy, I slipped out. The condom was OK. Then I don't know if I entered her vagina or anus. It just went in. Came in 2 minutes. Pulled out and saw that the condom had broken.

Totally freaked out. Washed up. Peed whatever I could.

Didn't SW have an HIV scare? Substandard condoms.

I'm trying to keep calm. But I know I'm stressing out too.

I'the really appreciate some help on what to do.

[QUOTE=ChinatownGuy;2370267]It's all a crap shoot. One of the hottest ladies I've ever been with, I met, years ago, in the Soi 7 Beer Garden around Noon before taking a taxi to the airport. I was hoping to have a quick slice of heaven before leaving so I gave the Beer Garden a chance. There she was!! I saw her walk out of the bathroom. Tall, slender and so sexy!! Off we went to my hotel nearby. On return visits, I made it a point to always sit within eye-shot of the bathroom to catch the ladies' "walk. " That would be my tip, because, what can you really tell about a ladies' figure when she is sitting at the bar? The walk speaks volumes.[/QUOTE]Once upon a time (long time ago) Beer Garden used to be great place for day time pick ups (and good food / beer too).

But last 2 visits (last 2 years) - Beer Garden was dead. More like a horror show.

Has it changed? Is the construction on the street completed. I think that was the main reason for the downfall.

And quite rare to find someone of that caliber in Biergarden. At least, the biergarden.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2370562]This beirgarten chick was into BBFS. Her name was Nook. She wanted 1000 baht ST, 1500 LT. I kept her a few days. Then again, this was a few years ago.[/QUOTE]I know. Great price too but like you said that was a few years ago but that should still be the standard price now.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2370664]Once upon a time (long time ago) Beer Garden used to be great place for day time pick ups (and good food / beer too).

But last 2 visits (last 2 years) - Beer Garden was dead. More like a horror show.

Has it changed? Is the construction on the street completed. I think that was the main reason for the downfall.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry you were disappointed Tiger. I don't know. I've been in and out of Bangkok for 35 years and I've found that the beautiful Soi 7 Beer Garden is like the ocean tides; sometimes busy and sometimes quiet. It's such a solid landmark and a world all of its own! I would think it would be "bullet proof" to almost any construction around it including the closed fish restaurants across the street. Like the Thermae, I would think it would be one of those places mongers and SW would go to, because it is there. I will be there in a few weeks to check it out for myself.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2370646]I know this is meant for the safe sex thread but I'm posting it in both places.

Visited Snow White today. Met a plump Thai girl called "yarakat" or something that sounds like that. She did the usual. Massage and playing around. She was quite mechanical if you ask me but I wasn't complaining. She put on the condom. Rode me. She got tired and I decided to do doggy. While in the doggy, I slipped out. The condom was OK. Then I don't know if I entered her vagina or anus. It just went in. Came in 2 minutes. Pulled out and saw that the condom had broken.

Totally freaked out. Washed up. Peed whatever I could.

Didn't SW have an HIV scare? Substandard condoms.

I'm trying to keep calm. But I know I'm stressing out too.

I'the really appreciate some help on what to do.[/QUOTE]The best you can do is stop mongering. To dangerous for you.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2370646]I'm trying to keep calm. But I know I'm stressing out too.

I'the really appreciate some help on what to do.[/QUOTE]Stop worrying and in the future, if you always add plenty of water based lubrication (I like Astroglide) you won't break condoms and you won't have that problem. I make it a point to use it and I've never had a broken condom.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2370496]With the utmost respect dude, that constant reference to the better looking girls being on the left side of Thermae is utter malarky.

I was in there last night (way to crowded). Its the same smattering of hotties through out. In fact, the talent has been getting better.

The only thing the left side has (as you are facing the bar) is that they are sometimes overall younger, except for the older one with the face like a gargoyle who seems to do great with the younger Asian guys. Her daughter is always with her, and she is built like like a brick s**thouse although with a younger gargoyle face. I wonder if they would do a mother daughter, hmmmm.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with you about the better looking girls being more sprinkled around the place, not just on the left side. The "left side lineup at Thermae" reference is mostly a shorthand term of art to descrbe a certain level of youth and looks that for several years had been more often seen on the left side.

As you say, they tend to skew younger on the left side. For many mongers, not just Asian mongers, that will automatically suggest slimmer, firmer, smoother skin, better looking girls. And that is the side where, other than the booths, there are no barstools or other places to sit or stand behind the bar as there are elsewhere where girls can perch, curl up and hide a multitude of physical "problems".

The lineup girls standing on the left side had better feel much more confident about their head-to-toe presentation not only on its own merits but how it measures up compared to other girls standing on either side of them.

I think that speaks volumes about the likelihood of the better looking girls tending to choose that side to advertise their wares. And on that point; how do we know the reason a top Thermae looker on the right side or in the middle of the bar didn't settle into that spot only because there was no room on the left side for her to stand and better categorize, position and display her superior physical qualities?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2370562]This beirgarten chick was into BBFS. Her name was Nook. She wanted 1000 baht ST, 1500 LT. I kept her a few days. Then again, this was a few years ago.[/QUOTE]Ah, she was into BBFS with you. But that means nothing about whether she or any other girl would say Yes to ME upfront in the bar for BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM.

How many years ago was it? If it was within the past 6 years or so, she might very well have been one of the Beer Garden girls who looked me square in the face and said No way, No how will I or any other Thai girl do BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM for you for any amount of money now or ever, Thai girls just don't do those things, you will never find a Thai girl who will do either of those things for you.

If I didn't have such thick skin and a thick head, I might easily take such a reaction to my simple question as somewhat of a buzzkill.

Hey guys,

Am in Bangkok for a few days from this Wednesday and wanted to line up a couple of girls in advance.

Has anyone tried or heard of the following two? Wanted to know if they are same girls as in pic and any reviews?

Cassidy- [URL]https://bangkokdreamsgirlescort.com/model/cassidy/[/URL].

Phae- can't find link right now but I think she about 35-38 yrs old- looks really hot from pics.

I hand a look at some of the girls from Bangkok dreams website and there are some hot looking girls on there but bit dubious especially after my experience in past with angels Bangkok site.

Open to any recommendations from the Bangkok dreams site!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2370496]With the utmost respect dude, that constant reference to the better looking girls being on the left side of Thermae is utter malarky.

I was in there last night (way to crowded). Its the same smattering of hotties through out. In fact, the talent has been getting better.

The only thing the left side has (as you are facing the bar) is that they are sometimes overall younger, except for the older one with the face like a gargoyle who seems to do great with the younger Asian guys. Her daughter is always with her, and she is built like like a brick s**thouse although with a younger gargoyle face. I wonder if they would do a mother daughter, hmmmm.[/QUOTE]Dude no wonder you are confused the left side being referred to is when you are facing away from the bar. It's the left side upon entering.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2370835]Dude no wonder you are confused the left side being referred to is when you are facing away from the bar. It's the left side upon entering.[/QUOTE]I did not take his description the way you did. I guess we need to define "the bar" in Thermae. True, as you enter the Sukhumvit side main entrance down the stairs, the small bar to which you will be directed to buy a drink is indeed behind you at that moment. But I always assumed "the bar" most of us think of in Thermae is that much larger, S-shaped structure in the middle of the room that is directly in front of you as you enter down the stairs from Sukhumvit.

Of course, that big one does not have a bartender stationed behind it to mix or pour drinks. But there are roaming servers to take your order there.

Not sure what else we would call that big S-shaped structure in the middle of the room if not a bar though.

You walk in you are facing.

The bar. The greeter stands in front of the bar. Face him, look left, then right, then get a drink.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2370843]I did not take his description the way you did. I guess we need to define "the bar" in Thermae. True, as you enter the Sukhumvit side main entrance down the stairs, the small bar to which you will be directed to buy a drink is indeed behind you at that moment. But I always assumed "the bar" most of us think of in Thermae is that much larger, S-shaped structure in the middle of the room that is directly in front of you as you enter down the stairs from Sukhumvit.

Of course, that big one does not have a bartender stationed behind it to mix or pour drinks. But there are roaming servers to take your order there.

Not sure what else we would call that big S-shaped structure in the middle of the room if not a bar though.[/QUOTE]If I may add my two cents a bar usually refers to an establishment that sells alcoholic drinks. Once inside though if somebody said to me I will meet you at the bar I would then assume it would be at the counter where the drinks are served rather than a seating area where you can order from floor staff.

As an aside with no entry fees or bar fines Thermae depends totally on selling drinks. I have always felt if their bar was in the middle of the room or at least occupied a more accessible prominent position they be more profitable.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2370562]This beirgarten chick was into BBFS. Her name was Nook. She wanted 1000 baht ST, 1500 LT. I kept her a few days. Then again, this was a few years ago.[/QUOTE]She looks great!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2370803]Ah, she was into BBFS with you. But that means nothing about whether she or any other girl would say Yes to ME upfront in the bar for BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM.

How many years ago was it? If it was within the past 6 years or so, she might very well have been one of the Beer Garden girls who looked me square in the face and said No way, No how will I or any other Thai girl do BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM for you for any amount of money now or ever, Thai girls just don't do those things, you will never find a Thai girl who will do either of those things for you.

If I didn't have such thick skin and a thick head, I might easily take such a reaction to my simple question as somewhat of a buzzkill.[/QUOTE]She was only 20 years old, but her English was great. She claimed to be a university student. She was quite cocky in the bar, so I agree that if I had brought up that topic in the bar she would have told me to get lost. But in the room it just happened naturally. As cocky as she was in the bar, she ended up being quite sweet, playful, and fun to hang with.

Has anyone picked up any Arab freelancers? Is it the same as a local freelancer? I would like to check out the Arab area and try to pick up an Arab freelancer when I visit. I am a little worried because of potential religious issues. Is it easy for a non Arab person to pull this off? This will be my first time so if anyone has any advice it would be greatly appreciated. Also I am not staying at the Grace Hotel, would this be a deal breaker for the Arab ladies?

[QUOTE=Vicman;2371017]Has anyone picked up any Arab freelancers? Is it the same as a local freelancer? I would like to check out the Arab area and try to pick up an Arab freelancer when I visit. I am a little worried because of potential religious issues. Is it easy for a non Arab person to pull this off? This will be my first time so if anyone has any advice it would be greatly appreciated. Also I am not staying at the Grace Hotel, would this be a deal breaker for the Arab ladies?[/QUOTE]Last time I checked (a year ago) the Arab FLs - (most of them were actually Muslim East Europeans. Kazaks, etc) - none to be found.

Also Grace Hotel and Bamboo bar (oppo Grace htl) - all were dead.

Yes once upon a time lot used to happen in Soi3 - but times change.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2370794]The lineup girls standing on the left side had better feel much more confident about their head-to-toe presentation not only on its own merits but how it measures up compared to other girls standing on either side of them.

I think that speaks volumes about the likelihood of the better looking girls tending to choose that side to advertise their wares. [/QUOTE]You make a good point EihTooms. I would call that, "good salesmanship" or is it "showmanship"? I think a few years ago it became the new "we're declaring this the higher quality 'section' and therefore expensive, so only Japanese need apply" side of the room. I believe there is a phenomenon where the Japanese are more likely to buy something if the price tag is high. You know like "if it's expensive, I feel better. " No doubt in my mind that the Japanese deep pockets have all but ruined the Thermae for guys like me. Are the ladies on the left side really more beautiful than the other ladies in the room? It's questionable, but like moths to a light, the Japanese men are sure attracted to the expensive "lineup" (maybe, as you stated, because of their confidence) but I sure can't fault the Thai women for capitalizing on the opportunity to take their inflated Yen. I sure liked the Thermae, years ago, when it was more casual and less Bourgeois. (I even remember the Old Thermae Coffee Shop).

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[QUOTE=ChinatownGuy;2371086]You make a good point EihTooms. I would call that, "good salesmanship" or is it "showmanship"? I think a few years ago it became the new "we're declaring this the higher quality 'section' and therefore expensive, so only Japanese need apply" side of the room. I believe there is a phenomenon where the Japanese are more likely to buy something if the price tag is high. You know like "if it's expensive, I feel better. " No doubt in my mind that the Japanese deep pockets have all but ruined the Thermae for guys like me. Are the ladies on the left side really more beautiful than the other ladies in the room? It's questionable, but like moths to a light, the Japanese men are sure attracted to the expensive "lineup" (maybe, as you stated, because of their confidence) but I sure can't fault the Thai women for capitalizing on the opportunity to take their inflated Yen. I sure liked the Thermae, years ago, when it was more casual and less Bourgeois. (I even remember the Old Thermae Coffee Shop).[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] But you are right, the Japanese (now its more Korean) have more money that you. I bet you are jealous.

On their message Board, I am sure that they are complaining about the white dudes in the Thermae. After all, as obnoxious as the Chinese punters are in there to the far more polite and sophisticated Japanese (its easy to tell who is Japanese in their if you don't speak the language, they are the ones who say sorry in English when they bump into you), it pales in comparison to the sight / smell of some fat farang yobbo in a wife beater with sweat rolling off his jiggling flesh. Yeah, if I was a 45 kg cutie Thai girl, ID sure dress up in the hope of getting some 70 kilo Asian guy to bounce up and down on me instead of the lumpy gross farang hunks of blubber that frequent there.

Keep further in mind that while all Thais learn English, and even communicate with Koreans and Japanese in English, broken as it may be, your western culture is foreign to them except as generally filtered through Japan and Korea and modified therein.

[QUOTE=Vicman;2371017]Has anyone picked up any Arab freelancers? Is it the same as a local freelancer? I would like to check out the Arab area and try to pick up an Arab freelancer when I visit. I am a little worried because of potential religious issues. Is it easy for a non Arab person to pull this off? This will be my first time so if anyone has any advice it would be greatly appreciated. Also I am not staying at the Grace Hotel, would this be a deal breaker for the Arab ladies?[/QUOTE]Yes, You can. Last month I pick up from there. No issue with Hotels. Enjoy.

Was just walking into Soi 23 and this tallish girl with red mini skirt / dress turns into Soi from Soi 23. Tallish and obviously a ladyboy, as face looks slightly weird. As she busles along I watch the walking gait from behind. Then I think, while she is in a hurry, I can't obviously pick that as a ladyboy walk, when normally a ladyboy walk is quite obviously not female. Can any ladyboys have a better walk?

She turns and walks straight into Baccara. Ha ha. I was fooled. Pegged as a LB, but perhaps one of the many girls with surgeries trying to look like a Ladyboy. Japanese guys often go for this look. Sometimes I say the Jap guy selected the ugliest girl in the room for my taste in terms of too many surgeries and looking like a Tranny or an alien (take your pick).

Yeh I am willing to admit that most LBs are obvious, but I am not always certain.

Went into 5 Star very early. Did not intend to BF, but just wanted to see if they had any decent looking nude girls. I turned out that 3 girls were slim enough, tits and ass okay, and face pretty enough for me to be doable, and few other ugly ones. However 3 is more than I ever saw before there of a reasonable standard. One had the see section belly scar covered by a tattoo but her ass was very shapely. Could have been 30 to 35. None of them could be called stunning. 2 of them maybe a 7 out of 10.

I called over Awn (On). Turned out to be a 21 YO Buriram girl, yet quite white skin. Cute nose (not broad). No stretch marks anywhere but slightly saggy tits suggested she had a baby already. Nice teeth no braces, a large back tattoo. I later learned this was her very first day in the bar, she had never fucked a Farang in her life, had never done a BJ in her life, Ha ha, yet she danced nude quite un-shyly with very nice looking pussy on display. Previously was a construction worker. Was not shy to grab my cock and massage it, and allowed a bit of groping and kissing, sitting with me still total naked. Her kissing was a low standard, not too unexpected. So she did not resist anything. Her mouth was "Pet" (Thai word for Chili hot). Ha ha. A BJ would be painful I think. She admitted to just having eaten noodles with chilis. I really prefer to get an experienced girl. I guess she had nearly no English, did not try. Maybe I will chat up the other two candidate girls next time.

Assessment was she was compliant and not scared of dick, but could not expect a wild skilled fuck. BF 1 K and ST prices would be too high for this girl, even has pretty face. Better off getting a more reasonable skilled girl in an MP I think. Should have a look in some MPS to see if can find any girls equal for body and face, or go back to my regulars. A bargirl could cost you 5K these days in some bars once you include drinks, Bf etc. and maybe even ST Hotel. With exchange rates going bad, that is quite high. Now could get an escort for 5K or less on Smoochi. I think I might have to try that, if can get past the risk of bad surgeries, CBJ, face not my spec, etc.

Yet its not many years since I used to take 3somes from Suzie Wong regularly. Ha ha. I have started to get much more conservative in mongering really. Like to have good value stunners, or as close to that as possible. Don't like to just waste money completely on poor encounters. Hance regular girls are the best bet.

[QUOTE=Vicman;2371017]Has anyone picked up any Arab freelancers? Is it the same as a local freelancer? I would like to check out the Arab area and try to pick up an Arab freelancer when I visit. I am a little worried because of potential religious issues. Is it easy for a non Arab person to pull this off? This will be my first time so if anyone has any advice it would be greatly appreciated. Also I am not staying at the Grace Hotel, would this be a deal breaker for the Arab ladies?[/QUOTE]Is there some desire to tick off having tried girls from every country, like notches on the belt?

Can I ask why you want Arab girls? Does it really matter where they come from, especially if you have religious concerns. I am into beauty and great body myself, regardless of origin. Skin colour and hair colour don't matter to me a lot. I have done a few "muslim" women myself (e. G. Turkish, etc. , not many) however clearly they cannot be strict muslims, if working as hookers. I don't care, if they are hot. I have partied with muslims in south of Thailand and one of the girls admitted to having two BFs. They can party like western people if not at their own home. Ha ha. Have seen muslim girls with head gear yet wearing short shorts almost hot pants on a motorcycle. Baffling customs. Thankfully not so extreme customs in Songkhla province, Hat Yai, etc. Best to stay away from the southern most 3 provinces, Yala, Pattani, and Narrathiwat. Even the Songkhla muslims are scared to go further south.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2371307]Was just walking into Soi 23 and this tallish girl with red mini skirt / dress turns into Soi from Soi 23. Tallish and obviously a ladyboy, as face looks slightly weird. As she busles along I watch the walking gait from behind. Then I think, while she is in a hurry, I can't obviously pick that as a ladyboy walk, when normally a ladyboy walk is quite obviously not female. Can any ladyboys have a better walk?

She turns and walks straight into Baccara. Ha ha. I was fooled. Pegged as a LB, but perhaps one of the many girls with surgeries trying to look like a Ladyboy. Japanese guys often go for this look. Sometimes I say the Jap guy selected the ugliest girl in the room for my taste in terms of too many surgeries and looking like a Tranny or an alien (take your pick).

Yeh I am willing to admit that most LBs are obvious, but I am not always certain.[/QUOTE]You sound like my buddy named Ricky. He often thinks many real girls are lady boys when they are not. Then he has sex with an actual known lady boy and refuses to believe it was a lady boy. It's happened to him more than once.

Walking around. Looked in Mango. Recog ised Prae and Aem. Don't know if any of the Web site girls that looked possibles were there. Nothing special looking. Moved on. Club 102 line up was best I have seen. 2 girls possible. Decided the one smiling at me did not have figure hot enough. The best looker did not look at me all. Perhaps waiting for a Jap customer. Moved on. Lineup in Addict being offered to Farang was sparse. All had nose jobs or tit jobs or both.

Next looked in Soi24/1. Boss had a skinny girl but perhaps too skinny. No tits no curves.

Snow White. One or two girls appealed slightly. Best line up I have seen there for years allowing for infrequent visits and skinny girls being busy.

Biwtee (beauty) had too much padding to be my spec really but I liked her mischievous smiling face and no surgeries.

Decided to try. First time in Sw for years. I used to do June regular and last girl was probably Emmy when she first started or maybe I forgot someone.

She said 5 months but her English was real poor so actually only 5 days at Snow White. She was a bit shy about some things. 20 YO no baby. Hardly has skills as yet. BBBJ scores just a 6 even though she can do slow and soft. She got horny from DATY and then wanted to get off in cowgirl position.

Doggy did not last very long. Possible dick is hitting uterus in some girls. She was happy to do CIM, not easy for so so BJ, but not CIP. I could CIM once in right position which is not lying on back.

Overall I was quite satisfied we had reasonable fun, given lack of experience.

No clue if she would try anal. My dick wasn't that hard at the beginning but improved once it got the nice feel of her pussy. So worked out. When first put finger in her pussy hole seemed very tight but girls can stretch fortunately.

Did not ask about the gossip given she is so new. Hails from Nakhorn Phanom, what a surprise. Ha ha

Sorry posted last report from phone in wrong thread. I think I recall now underwhelmed with previous SW girl who was a girl with Bolt Ons but she did not give a very good GFE. Others had reported a good time or a porn star with her. Struggling to recall the name any more, and certainly had no thoughts of repeating her. I rarely ever benefit from girls that others recommended. Must be my taste is different, mostly.

I have done some popular girls, but always based on my own selection I think: e.g. Yok, Aor (Annies), Cherry (Mango). I had not read any recommendations for them earlier as far as I can recall. Only recommendations for the shop. All 3 had quite sexy bodies, and faces at least O.K. So automatic selections upon meeting them.

Jakarta is a better bet for Muslim FL. I have one post there about a girl in hijab I had last year.

Not a valid topic for this forum.

[QUOTE=Vicman;2371017]Has anyone picked up any Arab freelancers? Is it the same as a local freelancer? I would like to check out the Arab area and try to pick up an Arab freelancer when I visit. I am a little worried because of potential religious issues. Is it easy for a non Arab person to pull this off? This will be my first time so if anyone has any advice it would be greatly appreciated. Also I am not staying at the Grace Hotel, would this be a deal breaker for the Arab ladies?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2371424]Jakarta is a better bet for Muslim FL. I have one post there about a girl in hijab I had last year.[/QUOTE]Yes, for Indonesian Muslims, but not for Arabic women. Bangkok is a much better alternative for Arabic women.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2371169] You are right, the Japanese (now its more Korean) have more money that you. I bet you are jealous.

On their message Board, I am sure that they are complaining about the white dudes in the Thermae. it pales in comparison to the sight / smell of some fat farang yobbo in a wife beater with sweat rolling off his jiggling flesh. Yeah, if I was a 45 kg cutie Thai girl, ID sure dress up in the hope of getting some 70 kilo Asian guy to bounce up and down on me instead of the lumpy gross farang hunks of blubber that frequent there.[/QUOTE]Actually, I was just saying I was sorry that the Thermae ladies are 100%-500% more expensive than in my past memories. I found it so odd, that with such an innocuous statement as that, (even on this sex site) that someone (a senior member no less) would feel the compulsion to jump on this thread and insult a total stranger using racial slurs. You call me "jealous" because I was complaining that the prices had become inflated by the Japanese? Really?? You need to humble yourself bro. You sound more like a newbie who thinks he knows it all!

What's ironic is that I've found un-self-aware people like you call others exactly what they themselves are. I respect others, including the Japanese men, but wouldn't trade places with anyone!

And your dihedra about western culture and fat, sweat-dripping, wife-beaters? I've got to believe you must really be something special!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2371317]Is there some desire to tick off having tried girls from every country, like notches on the belt?

Can I ask why you want Arab girls? Does it really matter where they come from, especially if you have religious concerns. I am into beauty and great body myself, regardless of origin. Skin colour and hair colour don't matter to me a lot. I have done a few "muslim" women myself (e. G. Turkish, etc. , not many) however clearly they cannot be strict muslims, if working as hookers. I don't care, if they are hot. I have partied with muslims in south of Thailand and one of the girls admitted to having two BFs. They can party like western people if not at their own home. Ha ha. Have seen muslim girls with head gear yet wearing short shorts almost hot pants on a motorcycle. Baffling customs. Thankfully not so extreme customs in Songkhla province, Hat Yai, etc. Best to stay away from the southern most 3 provinces, Yala, Pattani, and Narrathiwat. Even the Songkhla muslims are scared to go further south.[/QUOTE]I would just like to hookup with a few arab women LOL. When I said I was concerned about religious issues, I was more worried about it because I do not fully understand their religion and I do not want to offend any of them with my hornyness. I am going to be in Bangkok for a short time and I do not travel much so this is my opportunity to knock things off of the bucket list.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2371504]Yes, for Indonesian Muslims, but not for Arabic women. Bangkok is a much better alternative for Arabic women.[/QUOTE]Any tips for a first timer? I am coming during the week so I will not get to spend any Friday or Saturday nights in Bangkok.

Syzgies: Check your private mail.

It has been a long time since I was fooled and scammed so blatantly. Maybe never since I moved here several years ago. She didn't get away with the full scam. But she sure tried mightily.

She says her name is Nom (rhymes with "Tom") in Butterflies Go-Go Bar, top level of Nana Plaza, long blonde hair (yeah, could have been a tip off I suppose), slim, good, well-proportioned body except for very small tits. Has a tramp stamp tattoo above her butt. Last night she was sporting a temporary dot tattoo at the top of each facial cheekbone. A bit aggressive in that she will take liberties to approach and stand at your seat until you can't help but take notice and then she sits on your lap. Not too unusual for many go-go girls, though. Then the grinding on your lap begins. Not all that sexy for me, but I was intrigued enough to buy her a Lady Drink.

She will probably say Yes to whatever you propose after she brings up "barfine?" That's because her scam is, once in the room and showered, to find something, anything, to cite as the cause of her "jep pussy!" (painful pussy) at the beginning of the session, clam up, do nothing, say she must leave and then still demand the full agreed upon payment. Here is the flaw in her scam; as smooth and fairly convincing as the first part of her "act" is in the bar, the last part when she starts complaining about "jep!" is clumsy and poorly performed. I had only engaged in soft, mild DATY! LOL. I assume if I had even so much as begun to enter her she would have squealed and groaned about how big I am and that I must stop because "jep!" But we never even got to that.

So she clammed up, would not just relax and cuddle to make the "jep!" pussy feel ok after what was about 5 minutes of soft, mild DATY and indicated that she must leave now. Ok, honey. No problem. Up to you. But I will only give you 1,000 baht for what we did. Yeah, I am an overly generous scam victim sometimes. Too willing to allow the slightest doubt that maybe I got it wrong, misunderstood or that she misunderstood. Even this time where there was no doubt by the time she got fully dressed again. That is when she gets stern and demanding, no longer interested in pretending her pussy is "jep!" Of course, there was never a sign or indication of her pussy being "jep!" I mean in the way she stood up, walked to and from the bathroom, got dressed and so on.

"NO! You pay me 2,500!"

For what we did? No. I know you are only pretending, no "jep".

"NO! You pay me 2,500!"

(I move in very close to her face and deliver the firmest, level voiced) NO. You are a trickster. I know you are only pretending. "Jep mai? MAI." (Pain? No). She angrily picks up her phone from the desk and, I don't know, pretends to dial a number or something. Then puts the phone in her purse.

I walked her outside and bid her farewell.

Anyway, be warned. I don't know her badge number, but she said her name is Nom (rhymes with "Tom"). IMO, don't even waste your money on a Lady Drink with that one.

I really did not feel like marching back to Butterflies to tell any and all mamasans they've got a slim, blonde scammer on their hands late last night. But I will the next time I am free to go there in the evening. Unfortunately (or fortunately, I suppose. LOL), today and tomorrow is my time with a regular non pro GF, all day and night until Thursday morning, so I will not have the opportunity to swing into Butterflies to lodge my complaint and warning. But I assure you I will as soon as possible. Before the end of this week.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2371644]So she clammed up, would not just relax and cuddle to make the "jep!" pussy feel ok after what was about 5 minutes of soft, mild DATY and indicated that she must leave now. Ok, honey. No problem. Up to you. But I will only give you 1,000 baht for what we did. Yeah, I am an overly generous scam victim sometimes. That is when she gets stern and demanding, no longer interested in pretending her pussy is "jep!" Of course, there was never a sign or indication of her pussy being "jep!" I mean in the way she stood up, walked to and from the bathroom, got dressed and so on.

"NO! You pay me 2,500!"

For what we did? No. I know you are only pretending, no "jep".

"NO! You pay me 2,500!"

(I move in very close to her face and deliver the firmest, level voiced) NO.[/QUOTE]That sounds very similar to an incident I had with a girl from Bangkok Bunnies a couple of years ago. I posted about it on the forum and Syzygies seemed to think I would not be accepted in that bar anymore since I didn't give the girl the amount of money she wanted even though she didn't deliver her end of the bargain. However, that was far from the case. I was well accepted in that bar again and that very same girl tried valiantly to get me to take her so she could redeem herself, but I didn't want to waste my time. Kudos to you for sticking to your guns, but I do think you overpaid her a bit for what she delivered. It seems 500 baht would have been more than fair.

[QUOTE=Vicman;2371556]I would just like to hookup with a few arab women LOL. When I said I was concerned about religious issues, I was more worried about it because I do not fully understand their religion and I do not want to offend any of them with my hornyness. I am going to be in Bangkok for a short time and I do not travel much so this is my opportunity to knock things off of the bucket list.[/QUOTE]Don't try to understand their religion.

If she is selling her pussy (or ass), just act with her as you would do with any other working girl regardless of where she comes from or what she thinks.

Don't try to understand anything about her unless you want to date her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2371644]It has been a long time since I was fooled and scammed so blatantly. Maybe never since I moved here several years ago. She didn't get away with the full scam. But she sure tried mightily.

She says her name is Nom (rhymes with "Tom") in Butterflies Go-Go Bar, top level of Nana Plaza, long blonde hair (yeah, could have been a tip off I suppose), slim, good, well-proportioned body except for very small tits. Has a tramp stamp tattoo above her butt. Last night she was sporting a temporary dot tattoo at the top of each facial cheekbone. A bit aggressive in that she will take liberties to approach and stand at your seat until you can't help but take notice and then she sits on your lap. Not too unusual for many go-go girls, though. Then the grinding on your lap begins. Not all that sexy for me, but I was intrigued enough to buy her a Lady Drink.

She will probably say Yes to whatever you propose after she brings up "barfine?" That's because her scam is, once in the room and showered, to find something, anything, to cite as the cause of her "jep pussy!" (painful pussy) at the beginning of the session, clam up, do nothing, say she must leave and then still demand the full agreed upon payment. Here is the flaw in her scam; as smooth and fairly convincing as the first part of her "act" is in the bar, the last part when she starts complaining about "jep!" is clumsy and poorly performed. I had only engaged in soft, mild DATY! LOL. I assume if I had even so much as begun to enter her she would have squealed and groaned about how big I am and that I must stop because "jep!" But we never even got to that.

So she clammed up, would not just relax and cuddle to make the "jep!" pussy feel ok after what was about 5 minutes of soft, mild DATY and indicated that she must leave now. Ok, honey. No problem. Up to you. But I will only give you 1,000 baht for what we did. Yeah, I am an overly generous scam victim sometimes. Too willing to allow the slightest doubt that maybe I got it wrong, misunderstood or that she misunderstood. Even this time where there was no doubt by the time she got fully dressed again. That is when she gets stern and demanding, no longer interested in pretending her pussy is "jep!" Of course, there was never a sign or indication of her pussy being "jep!" I mean in the way she stood up, walked to and from the bathroom, got dressed and so on.

"NO! You pay me 2,500!"

For what we did? No. I know you are only pretending, no "jep".

"NO! You pay me 2,500!"

(I move in very close to her face and deliver the firmest, level voiced) NO. You are a trickster. I know you are only pretending. "Jep mai? MAI." (Pain? No). She angrily picks up her phone from the desk and, I don't know, pretends to dial a number or something. Then puts the phone in her purse.

I walked her outside and bid her farewell.

Anyway, be warned. I don't know her badge number, but she said her name is Nom (rhymes with "Tom"). IMO, don't even waste your money on a Lady Drink with that one.

I really did not feel like marching back to Butterflies to tell any and all mamasans they've got a slim, blonde scammer on their hands late last night. But I will the next time I am free to go there in the evening. Unfortunately (or fortunately, I suppose. LOL), today and tomorrow is my time with a regular non pro GF, all day and night until Thursday morning, so I will not have the opportunity to swing into Butterflies to lodge my complaint and warning. But I assure you I will as soon as possible. Before the end of this week.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Very amusing, at least for the readers.

Personally I don't respond to overly aggressive girls, it is a very bad sign for possible scammers or shit performers, however overly timid girls can be just as irritating.

Nom means "milks" or "tits" so even the name is a bit suspect, especially if she does not have much tits. Ha ha.

In the end, shit like this can happen to anyone, sometime. Here lies the critical lesson of why we don't pay in full in advance. I'll bet the mamasans know she is a scam artist and take kickbacks too.

I had the girl from Rainbow 2 that got to my apartment after much mucking around and refused to take her pants off due to period. She had tried to get me to show my dick first, perhaps because she wanted to try to do a BJ and claim payment for that, but fortunately I refused to take my pants off before her.

So nothing happened and she got zero. Your scammer was smarter, yet possible her pussy hurts could even be true from a previous customer (faintly possible).

Certainly cannot be paid more than what you deem fair though.

Hey guys- Need your help here.

Am thinking of booking this escort called ChaBa has anyone tried her or got any reviews? Thank you!

[URL]https://smooci.com/escorts/Wyi29j[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2371644]...............to cite as the cause of her "jep pussy!" (painful pussy).....................[/QUOTE]Jep pussy leads to jep wallet.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2371681]Don't try to understand their religion.

If she is selling her pussy (or ass), just act with her as you would do with any other working girl regardless of where she comes from or what she thinks.

Don't try to understand anything about her unless you want to date her.[/QUOTE]So what is a typical conversation you have with a girl you are trying to pick up for the night but not date?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2371652]...
Kudos to you for sticking to your guns, but I do think you overpaid her a bit for what she delivered. It seems 500 baht would have been more than fair.[/QUOTE]I agree. 500 baht would have been it if not for an unforced error on my part. When we were laying in bed after the DATY, at a time when she was a bit more convincing about this mysterious sudden onset of "jep" pussy and there was still a tiny possibility in my mind that I had done something to cause it, her acting level was at least sufficient to make it seem she was genuinely sorry for the moment to be spoiled by her condition. That is when I told her I would give her 1000 baht anyway.

It wasn't until she hopped up, happy as a lark, no more furrowed brow, no more rubbing her crotch to soothe the non existent pain, no problem washing, toweling off, climbing back into her undies and pants without a care in the world about possibly adding pain to her pussy that I was 100% certain she was only pretending.

But by then I had already told her I would give her 1000 baht. I stick to what I say in those cases just as I negotiate in the bar when I say I will give a girl X amount of money "IF" we do this or that. I never say I will pay an amount merely "For Short Time" or whatever.

And I didn't have the Thai vocabulary at hand to argue about why I was now changing from the 1000 baht I had just told her I would give her to the 500 baht that would have been better but still more than an obvious scammer should get.

Her growing angry performance on the point that I really was supposed to give her 2,500 instead of the 1000, acting dumb or confused about what I had just told her I would give her was just her final bid to intimidate customers into handing her whatever is necessary to calm her down and not make a scene in a hotel or apartment.

Which is why I moved very close to her face, almost nose to nose and delivered my firm and unyeilding "NO". Not shouting. But as firm, forceful, confident, unintimidated and no nonsense as I can make it to show her any further acting up about this will not be tolerated and, more importantly, will not work.

She was as quiet as a church mouse after that. Took the 1000 off the desk and left without incident.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2371901]Jep pussy leads to jep wallet.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes. Of course, "jep" pussy COULD lead to at least an ok BBBJ+CIM. But in that particular case, her mood was so low from her pretend pain, then she revealed how much of a scammer she was, I knew she would only give a lousy one, so lousy I would have aborted that mission and then she would have had her "attempt" to deliver something more in her argument for why I should pay her the full amount.

I did not even bother to bring that option up and she sure as hell didn't offer it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2371901]Jep pussy leads to jep wallet.[/QUOTE]Or gonorrhea.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2372107]Or gonorrhea.[/QUOTE]How does that effect DATY?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2372129]How does that effect DATY?[/QUOTE]Oral gonorrhea.

[URL]https://www.medicinenet.com/oral_gonorrhea_symptoms/views.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2372156]Oral gonorrhea.

[URL]https://www.medicinenet.com/oral_gonorrhea_symptoms/views.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]"On the darker side of this oral infection, is the rare instance in an immunocompromised individual when the person could develop systemic (throughout the body) spread of the disease..... Gonorrhoeae is not a lonely pathogen. The bacteria frequently are associated with two other organisms, Treponema pallidum (that causes syphilis) and chlamydia trachomatis (that causes chlamydia infections). Most doctors treat the patient with antibiotics that will kill and. Gonorrhoeae, but also will kill these other two STD organisms (Treponema, the cause of syphilis and chlamydia) at the same time. Consequently, it is possible (but infrequent) to get infected with all three from one sexual encounter; more often only two are transferred, but doctors rarely know which two, so they treat for all three STD infections. ".

This bring us to the use of dental dams which is currently being discussed in the safe sex section.

For a first timer you will be amazed at the quality of girls BKK has on offer. There is wide variety ranging from many nationalities. Sukhumvit and Nana areas have most night clubs and bars and the night life is not to be missed. There are loads of gogo bars in the vicinity. Try visiting a nuru massage if you haven't experienced it. Doki Doki is a wonderful place.

I hope this helps. Have a great holiday and share your experience.

[QUOTE=Vicman;2371557]Any tips for a first timer? I am coming during the week so I will not get to spend any Friday or Saturday nights in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vicman;2371557]Any tips for a first timer? I am coming during the week so I will not get to spend any Friday or Saturday nights in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Sri5657's suggestions are all great ones. Two strip club areas you may want to check out are Nana and Soi Cowboy. All of those amazing women will make you hungry eventually! I might suggest the food courts during the day in the MBK and Terminal 21 shopping malls. They offer a fantastic variety of food for you to try. Don't forget to have the "durian and sticky rice" for desert! LOL (Some love it (like me) then, there are the others). You can take a taxi or the sky train (whatever is more comfortable for you) to any of these places. For a first timer, I'd probably recommend a taxi. They're cheap and easy! Or jump on a motorbike taxi. They're the quickest.

If you had time, I would suggest taking a taxi or sky train to the river that runs through Bangkok, The Chao Phraya, where you can jump on a water taxi and see an amazing "side" of Bangkok. I call the water taxi, the "poor man's river tour. " Beautiful during the day or night.

Obviously, there is way too much to see and do in just one week. You might as well just start planning your second trip! LOL Have fun!

[QUOTE=Sri5657;2372284]For a first timer you will be amazed at the quality of girls BKK has on offer. There is wide variety ranging from many nationalities. Sukhumvit and Nana areas have most night clubs and bars and the night life is not to be missed. There are loads of gogo bars in the vicinity. Try visiting a nuru massage if you haven't experienced it. Doki Doki is a wonderful place.

I hope this helps. Have a great holiday and share your experience.[/QUOTE]Hello. I am also making my first trip to Thailand soon (will also be in Cambodia). Probably a few days in Bangkok and a few days in Pattaya. Any tips before we buy our airbnbs? Are weekdays good too? Will it be easy enough to find good places with ladies or is it good to have a plan of which places to go?

I've only mongered in Europe and South America thus far. Looking forward to this. Primary purpose is tourism but we party and monger nearly every day as well.

[QUOTE=Sri5657;2372284]For a first timer you will be amazed at the quality of girls BKK has on offer. There is wide variety ranging from many nationalities. Sukhumvit and Nana areas have most night clubs and bars and the night life is not to be missed. There are loads of gogo bars in the vicinity. Try visiting a nuru massage if you haven't experienced it. Doki Doki is a wonderful place.

I hope this helps. Have a great holiday and share your experience.[/QUOTE]I have been told about Doki Doki and Mitu Massage. Which one is better?

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2372367]Hello. I am also making my first trip to Thailand soon (will also be in Cambodia). Probably a few days in Bangkok and a few days in Pattaya. Any tips before we buy our airbnbs? Are weekdays good too? Will it be easy enough to find good places with ladies or is it good to have a plan of which places to go?

I've only mongered in Europe and South America thus far. Looking forward to this. Primary purpose is tourism but we party and monger nearly every day as well.[/QUOTE]"we party" is not something that most guys would write, so I make some assumptions.

As this is the Bangkok thread, I will refer to Bangkok. The Massage Parlour thread names some popular Massage parlours to go to for sex. So read the forum a lot. The Bangkok Thread mentions bars like in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, etc. , also Street walkers on Sukhumvit Soi 4, probably some discos.

You can use Google Maps to find where these places are located. Best to stay in Hotels not too far away.

Billboard in Nana Plaza is okay With groups of Indians partying together (I mention Indians since they like to party in groups more than most nationalities), but not all bars like it and other customers don't even like it that much, so some may turn away such a group.

I don't think AirBNB is necessarily a good idea. Could be Unreliable. There are cheap Hotels and cheap Apartments available on Hotel booking sites.

If you have several guys staying in a room, girls will probably not want to go there. Most guys have a room for just themselves. You can take girls to Short Time Hotels for sex near to where they work, where pay maybe 350 Baht for 1 hour.

I think is good to make a list of places you would like to check out, but stay flexible to change your plans, once you find out what you really like and what you don't like.

[QUOTE=Sri5657;2372284]For a first timer you will be amazed at the quality of girls BKK has on offer. [/QUOTE]As a many timer I am amazed by the lack of quality of girls BKK has on offer.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2372477]As a many timer I am amazed by the lack of quality of girls BKK has on offer.[/QUOTE]As a 20 year resident, I'm shocked at the lack of quality among p4 p gals in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2372531]As a 20 year resident, I'm shocked at the lack of quality among p4 p gals in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yeh I think 20 to 30 years ago, it was expected that hookers (bargirls and Soapy girls was my main experience) would be a cut well above the girls on the street on average, for looks. Nowadays, huge numbers of very plain hookers are getting tit jobs and nose jobs and imagining they suddenly became pretty. For me, quite the reverse is often the case.

So walking around Terminal 21 in middle of the day yesterday, I was struck by how many good looking girls I saw, thinking the general hooker standard is somewhat below these days.

Still there are many guys that equate a young girl with a good body and no baby as automatically beautiful. That is not enough for me.

On other hand I have looked at photos of girls I did many years ago and they were not as good looking as my modern day regulars, in general. I did not really have regular stunners back then. Just very acceptable looking girls better than what I had been used to back home. Our tastes change and we get more fussy. So good lookers can be found still. It just gets harder and we are less easy to please.

Pretty girls hardly have to work in an Oily MP these days. They have more choices. They could easily be doing Japanese in Thaniya for a start, of in Japanese clubs.

More and more I feel the dregs are getting left over for the old Farangs.

My best bet is a pretty country girl with a baby and no husband, low education, absolutely in poverty, zero English, because I might be the best she can get. I am then not facing big competition for her, since my Thai is good. Since I want hookers for sex and not for high powered conversation, that is fine.

If a girl comes with too many good aspects and prospects, I have little chance I think.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2372543]girl with a good body and no baby [/QUOTE]Even that would be a refreshing change; maybe one in a thousand in farang bars and massage parlors in Bangkok today.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2372543]Still there are many guys that equate a young girl with a good body and no baby as automatically beautiful. That is not enough for me.[/QUOTE]Which of these girls do you prefer?

My friend told me her bar has closed, Rumours bar in Queens Park plaza, Soi 20. All the bars have closed or are closing, the area will be redeveloped.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2372556]Even that would be a refreshing change; maybe one in a thousand in farang bars and massage parlors in Bangkok today.[/QUOTE]You quoted me out of context, and actually I have no clue what point you are trying to make at all. What at one in a thousand bars?

Certainly many bar girls exist with a great body and even no baby. Does not automatically make them "beautiful". Can have very plain face. Then getting a nose job and a tit job does not help much either.

Searching and reading it looks like lots of people have success taking girls in to JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) it looks like they have no problem.

Does anyone know if Marriott properties are officially guest friendly or they are sneaking girls in? Are all Marriott properties the same way? I have a 7 night Marriott certificate I'd like to use towards some pussayyy.

Ha ha, sure as hell not the third from the left!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2372563]Which of these girls do you prefer?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2372563]Which of these girls do you prefer?[/QUOTE]Ha ha, I remember No. 3 She used to be pretty. However I could not take her any more with a face like an old man. So nice faces for me are No. 4 and 6 (No. 2 maybe. Would have to see from another angle). Look like natural except No. 4 has bolt ONS by the look.

I would take No. 6 even with almost no tits. I prefer the natural cute look. Maybe No. 4 despite the bolt-ons. You can see it the face that matters first to me. Yesterday I considered an overweight girl since I liked her face a lot. However there was a model alternative. I don't like the look of cellulite ass and thighs though, nor super saggy, nor railway tracks stomach. All girls have a fault somewhere, just don't want too many.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2372750]So nice faces for me are No. 4 and 6. I would take No. 6 even with almost no tits. I prefer the natural cute look. Maybe No. 4 despite the bolt-ons. [/QUOTE]Another example of when great minds think alike! No. 6 would be my 1st choice. I think small, natural, tits are sexy. 555. And No. 6 has a pretty face. No. 4 is hot, yes, but her silly cones would turn me off in bed a little bit. Maybe it is just a padded push up bra? I have seen Thai girls stuff a virtual pillow into their bras. No. 2 comes in a distant 3rd. I would pass on the rest including No. 3

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2372563]Which of these girls do you prefer?[/QUOTE]The one in the pink and the one to her right are ok. They are acceptable. I like gals with a bit more muscle tone. All look "skinny fat."

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2372543]Yeh I think 20 to 30 years ago, it was expected that hookers (bargirls and Soapy girls was my main experience) would be a cut well above the girls on the street on average, for looks. Nowadays, huge numbers of very plain hookers are getting tit jobs and nose jobs and imagining they suddenly became pretty. For me, quite the reverse is often the case.

So walking around Terminal 21 in middle of the day yesterday, I was struck by how many good looking girls I saw, thinking the general hooker standard is somewhat below these days.

Still there are many guys that equate a young girl with a good body and no baby as automatically beautiful. That is not enough for me.

On other hand I have looked at photos of girls I did many years ago and they were not as good looking as my modern day regulars, in general. I did not really have regular stunners back then. Just very acceptable looking girls better than what I had been used to back home. Our tastes change and we get more fussy. So good lookers can be found still. It just gets harder and we are less easy to please.

Pretty girls hardly have to work in an Oily MP these days. They have more choices. They could easily be doing Japanese in Thaniya for a start, of in Japanese clubs.

More and more I feel the dregs are getting left over for the old Farangs.

My best bet is a pretty country girl with a baby and no husband, low education, absolutely in poverty, zero English, because I might be the best she can get. I am then not facing big competition for her, since my Thai is good. Since I want hookers for sex and not for high powered conversation, that is fine.

If a girl comes with too many good aspects and prospects, I have little chance I think.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. When I go to a mall I see a lot of very attractive Thai gals. Also in the area I live in. I'm a bit out on the blue line. There are many amazing looking Chinese and Korean tourist gals that put all the local gals to shame as well. The working girls that are available to non-Thai men are not that desirable. On sites like FinFin there are lots of really amazing looking gals, but it is directed towards Thais and most gals have long sets of rules. Gone are the days when you could go into Thermae the last week of the month and pull a great looking office gal looking to supplement her income.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2371644]...

I really did not feel like marching back to Butterflies to tell any and all mamasans they've got a slim, blonde scammer on their hands late last night. But I will the next time I am free to go there in the evening. Unfortunately (or fortunately, I suppose. LOL), today and tomorrow is my time with a regular non pro GF, all day and night until Thursday morning, so I will not have the opportunity to swing into Butterflies to lodge my complaint and warning. But I assure you I will as soon as possible. Before the end of this week.[/QUOTE]Following up on my earlier report. I went to Butterflies last night about 11:30PM, sat, ordered a drink and looked around for my slim blonde scammer. There she was grinding away on the lap of a farang sitting on a stool at the first bar to the right of the bathtub as you enter. I asked my drink server to send a mamasan to me. Mamasan Lek, who I had seen before but never met, the 40ish year old chubby one with dark brown shoulder length hair came over. I don't if she recognized me as being a rather frequent customer of the bar, having taken several girls from there over the past 2-3 years.

I introduced myself and asked her name. She stood next to my chair, leaned over while I explained I liked her bar very much, came there to take ladies often, so I wanted her to know the last girl I took from there a couple of nights earlier was a trickster. I told her about the girl saying Yes in the bar but in the room pretended to have a "jep" pussy even though we had done nothing but me kissing and licking her pussy for a few minutes. She hadn't even touched me (pointing to my crotch), we did not boom boom at all. And that she got angry and demanded I give her the full amount for ST. That I refused but still gave her 1,000 baht. "Oh, I am so sorry that happened. Which girl was it?" she opened her small writing tablet and held a pen, asked what the girl's badge number was. I told her I did not know her number but she is the blonde girl over there with a customer. Her name is Nom.

I further explained I just wanted her to know about it in case there have been other complaints about her. Maybe I am the 4th one to complain. Maybe I am the only one to complain. I understand these things can happen.

Lek was very receptive and appreciative that I took the time to tell her about this. She said it is important for her to know about these things. I said, great, now please let me buy you a drink. "Oh, thank you so much, but that is not necessary. It is my job to know about this", she said. Quick hug and hand shake initiated by her.

I then watched Lek walk over to the blonde girl, say something to her, gesture in my direction and off the two of them went to the back room area, presumably to hear her side of the story. Sure, there is almost zero chance that girl is going to corroborate my version of the story. However, I would imagine these mamasans have heard girls tell their version of these stories many times and probably have a pretty good sense for "tells" flying all over the place giving away that the girl is just making shit up and when she is telling it straight. In fact, just being a Thai female herself is likely qualification enough to know how a Thai girl sounds when she is lying vs telling the truth. lol. IMO, the important thing is to let the girls know sometimes the customers care enough to complain when they pull scams, that a mamasan will be told about it and that mamasan will probably say something to her about it, put her on notice.

All in all, I was impressed by the way my complaint was heard, accepted and responded to by mamasan Lek in Butterflies go-go bar.

A few minutes later, the blonde girl came back into the main bar area, returned to her place on the lap of the farang and seemed to continue on without a hitch. Except for this, which I noticed by glancing over in that direction every now and then; her grinding seemed a lot less enthusiastic. And, although I would have bet money that guy was on the verge of being convinced to pay her barfine and take her before the mamasan took her aside to have a chat with her, the girl's demeanor was dampened enough now for the idea to have apparently left him. After a few minutes, he paid his bill and left, not having barfined and taken her. He would not have heard anything about the conversation that transpired between me and the mamasan and the mamasan and the girl. But in my mind the girl knew she'd better not scam anyone else on this night of all nights and risk a repeat complaint. So she tamped down her enthusiasm and good vibes with that guy just enough for him to lose interest in taking her. Maybe. I remained in the bar for another hour or more and I did not see her approach or lobby to be called down by another other customer the whole time. And the place was packed at that hour.

Meanwhile, within a couple of minutes a very young looking and behaving girl with a cute enough face and a very sweet, bouncy, athletic young body, a true spinner in the best way, came next to my chair with another girl and did their "you buy drinks for us?" routine. I smiled but mostly ignored it for a minute or so until I got a much closer look at that one girl's very sweet butt, legs, flat stomach, not an ounce of flab or excess fat on her anywhere and getting-cuter-all-the-time girlish smile. So I invited her to sit with me. There was no indication by proximity of mamasan Lek or any other mamasan that this girl had been sent to me for some reason or that she had been told about my complaint from just a few minutes earlier and so on. She was just a random better than average, very doable go-go girl in this bar.

Two Lady Drinks and lots of grinding on my lap, mild tongue kissing every now and then later, a deal was struck. And it was a pleasant, easy negotiation despite her very limited English skills and my limited Thai skills. But I must say she was as adamant and inflexible about moving from the general area of 3,000 baht to her as I have encountered more often than not in this particular go-go bar lately. Barfine 1,000 baht, 2,500 (first ask was 3,000 as usual for an above average young go-go girl here) IF we go to the ST room next door. I much prefer my apartment for sessions.

Doing a quick calculation that any young, cute, slim and receptive above average or better go-go dancer around here would easily swing 2,000 as a minimum, let's say adding an understandable 500 baht surcharge for agreeing to boom boom the only way I will engage in it, plus the cost of that ST room that I did not want to use (must be at least 300-350 baht these days but I have not used one in a long time), and I had no emotional resistance to agreeing to her original 3,000 baht asking rate for her IF we do indeed engage in the Real GFE I repeated to her in 3-4 different ways (haha) and IF we go to my apartment instead for a no hurry, relaxed Real GFE Short Time. Done.

And I was very, very pleased with the outcome in the room this time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2372750]Ha ha, I remember No. 3 She used to be pretty. However I could not take her any more with a face like an old man.[/QUOTE]Yes, strangely enough #3 has a face that looks similar to Donald Trump. If I didn't know better, I would think someone photoshopped Trump's face onto her body.

The third from left is surely a photoshopped face.

My choice 2nd from right. Cute with nice natural boobs- take these any day over bolt-on ice cream cone implants.

As promised, here's my final report. I must say that this trip has been a good experience for me. The only bad experience was the one I wrote up earlier on the girl from Daisy Dream Massage (Indy). Experience ranged from OK to excellent for the others. I'll report here only on the excellent.

1. Mayji at Snow White was terrific. She's one of the slim ones at this place, and she has a cute face. She speaks very little English, but communication was not a problem. Cost for a two-hour takeout was 3,000 be. She did such a good job, that I gave her another 1,000 for a total of 4,000. We went to my hotel, so the session was very relaxed. Her blowjob was amazing! She gave it to me right after the shower, as we hopped into bed. Mayji is fairly young, so I was surprised by how good the BJ was, given her youth. It was very sensuous and she changed the position of her mouth regularly, so that made it more exciting. After about 15 minutes, I turned over and asked for a massage. It was excellent and she also gave me a wonderful rimming. She was so good that I had her lay down and I gave her a massage, which she immensely enjoyed. While she was still laying down, I finished the massage on her and ran my cock all over her backside, concentrating on the important area. She loved it and became aroused and started panting. I liked it too. After that, I laid back down on my back, and she gave me another wonderful blowjob. Finally, it was time for the finale. We did it in five or six positions, including doggie, flat doggie, cowgirl, cowgirl with me sitting up, her laying on the bed with her feet in the air on my shoulders, and mish for the finale. She was great.

2. I have to finish this report soon, so I'm going to give a quick summary. I took three different girls from Doki Doki and they all were terrific. I had never heard of Doki before, but I wanted to try the nuru. It's now my favorite. You lay down on an air mattress and she washes your back, then puts this thick, clear gel all over you. Then, she moves all around on top of you. It's very exciting and soothing at the same time. After a while, she focusses on the private parts, and it was so sexy, that I kept yelling and yelling in ecstasy. Eventually, she will turn you over on your back, and slide around on you. She focusses on the important parts and a nice BJ is included. Again, I was in ecstasy and could not keep from yelling with pleasure. It ends with sex either on the inflated rubber mattress or on the bed.

The three that I tried were all wonderful: Naomi, Sophia and Nadea. Best technique was a tie between Naomi and Nadea. Sophia was great, too, but not quite as good as the other two. All three were very good-looking, but Sophia was probably the best: tall and dark with a very pretty face. Her breasts are small which is fine with me. Nadea and Naomi have enhanced breasts, but they're nicely done.

That's it for my final report. I have a plane to catch this evening, so I have to keep one more appointment with Naomi. (I just did Nadea this morning.).

[QUOTE=Canyon;2372845]As promised, here's my final report. I must say that this trip has been a good experience for me. The only bad experience was the one I wrote up earlier on the girl from Daisy Dream Massage (Indy). Experience ranged from OK to excellent for the others. I'll report here only on the excellent.

1. Mayji at Snow White was terrific. She's one of the slim ones at this place, and she has a cute face. She speaks very little English, but communication was not a problem. Cost for a two-hour takeout was 3,000 be. She did such a good job, that I gave her another 1,000 for a total of 4,000. We went to my hotel, so the session was very relaxed. Her blowjob was amazing! She gave it to me right after the shower, as we hopped into bed. Mayji is fairly young, so I was surprised by how good the BJ was, given her youth. It was very sensuous and she changed the position of her mouth regularly, so that made it more exciting. After about 15 minutes, I turned over and asked for a massage. It was excellent and she also gave me a wonderful rimming. She was so good that I had her lay down and I gave her a massage, which she immensely enjoyed. While she was still laying down, I finished the massage on her and ran my cock all over her backside, concentrating on the important area. She loved it and became aroused and started panting. I liked it too. After that, I laid back down on my back, and she gave me another wonderful blowjob. Finally, it was time for the finale. We did it in five or six positions, including doggie, flat doggie, cowgirl, cowgirl with me sitting up, her laying on the bed with her feet in the air on my shoulders, and mish for the finale. She was great.

(I just did Nadea this morning.).[/QUOTE]Nice Report.

Wished they had updated Mayji's picutres on the website as they seem to have some new girls now.

Does she provide A-Level?

Glad you enjoyed Doki Doki.

I plan to go back to that place on a weekday sometime next month!

I have never felt I needed to sneak ladies into JW, or other, Marriott locations.

[QUOTE=BlueBudgie;2372614]Searching and reading it looks like lots of people have success taking girls in to JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) it looks like they have no problem.

Does anyone know if Marriott properties are officially guest friendly or they are sneaking girls in? Are all Marriott properties the same way? I have a 7 night Marriott certificate I'd like to use towards some pussayyy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueBudgie;2372614]Searching and reading it looks like lots of people have success taking girls in to JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) it looks like they have no problem.

Does anyone know if Marriott properties are officially guest friendly or they are sneaking girls in? Are all Marriott properties the same way? I have a 7 night Marriott certificate I'd like to use towards some pussayyy.[/QUOTE]I have stayed many times only at JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) and they have never checked in / out any girl I have taken to my room. Even two girls together. Nevertheless, I think that they have people standing / sitting in the lobby, near the elevators, that are discretely checking all the people coming in and out. But this is a plus for me: I feel safer.

I consider JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) one of the best (if not the best) hotel in Bangkok, not only for mongering, but also for the superb breakfast served.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2372563]Which of these girls do you prefer?[/QUOTE]So that's what Smoothy looks like. Nice legs, shame about the face. I wonder how much he charges for ST? I would go 500 baht no problem.

Perfect my dude. I'll be taking 3 up LOL wife plus 2! Anyways sounds like its going to be a solid week.

[QUOTE=Atlante18;2372882]I have stayed many times only at JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) and they have never checked in / out any girl I have taken to my room. Even two girls together. Nevertheless, I think that they have people standing / sitting in the lobby, near the elevators, that are discretely checking all the people coming in and out. But this is a plus for me: I feel safer.

I consider JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) one of the best (if not the best) hotel in Bangkok, not only for mongering, but also for the superb breakfast served.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2372762]Could not agree more. When I go to a mall I see a lot of very attractive Thai gals. Also in the area I live in. I'm a bit out on the blue line. There are many amazing looking Chinese and Korean tourist gals that put all the local gals to shame as well. The working girls that are available to non-Thai men are not that desirable. On sites like FinFin there are lots of really amazing looking gals, but it is directed towards Thais and most gals have long sets of rules. Gone are the days when you could go into Thermae the last week of the month and pull a great looking office gal looking to supplement her income.[/QUOTE]I have to say the opposite, I just got back from Thermae, and after walking around the place 3 times I saw a lot of very very attractive girls, many of them early / mid 20's, and hot!

Tonight I didn't partake as that place is just not my scene, and find it all a little too overwhelming, however I was impressed by the quality.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2372762]The working girls that are available to non-Thai men are not that desirable. On sites like FinFin there are lots of really amazing looking gals, but it is directed towards Thais and most gals have long sets of rules. Gone are the days when you could go into Thermae the last week of the month and pull a great looking office gal looking to supplement her income.[/QUOTE]

On FinFin there are plenty of OK looking [I]photos[/I], but most faces are blurred and it's heavily photoshopped, so you can't really tell. Moreover, the process from site to bang it is a hassle (even on a good day) and more importantly, none of the online apps will ever offer the experience of choosing among eager hookers the real world used to. The site targets Thais, but if you speak Thai it's OK, even doable with typing in English (as long as you keep it very simple).

A few times I've done FinFin, the experience was browsing 300 profiles, picking 10, sending Line, 5 of them reply within a reasonable timeframe, the hottest one doesn't like Farang and quotes a high price (no, I don't want you for 3 k if the website clearly says 1. 5 k), the next two stop replying just as I'm about to arrange to meet, and the last one is somewhere far out like Ramkhamaeng, so I take an hour to get there. The session is ok, the few girls I had were reasonably friendly and unrushed, though no beauty queens. However, during the long ride back, I'm thinking I should have jacked off and gone about my day, so that's exactly what I do next time.

Honestly, I doubt working girls available to Thai punters are significantly better, at least not in the under 3 k for ST bracket. It's simply crappier for all of us.

[QUOTE=Bkkvistor77;2372981]I have to say the opposite, I just got back from Thermae, and after walking around the place 3 times I saw a lot of very very attractive girls, many of them early / mid 20's, and hot!

Tonight I didn't partake as that place is just not my scene, and find it all a little too overwhelming, however I was impressed by the quality.[/QUOTE]Yes there were some cuties in there last night (Friday). On both sides of the bar.

I've been to BKK a few times and am reasonably familiar with the scene and various offerings around lower Sukhumvit. I wouldn't say I'm the most experienced or knowledgeable guy of such things, but I get by on what I do know and places I have been, experiences I've had etc.

I'll be back in BKK in a couple of months and will celebrate a milestone birthday while I'm there. Obviously, I'm keen to make it memorable in more ways than one, and am looking for suggestions and ideas. Budget, say, 10,000 B for this one night (not including accommodation).

[QUOTE=Bkkvistor77;2372981]I have to say the opposite, I just got back from Thermae, and after walking around the place 3 times I saw a lot of very very attractive girls, many of them early / mid 20's, and hot!

Tonight I didn't partake as that place is just not my scene, and find it all a little too overwhelming, however I was impressed by the quality.[/QUOTE]And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373100]And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.[/QUOTE]They will if word of mouth has spread that you have a small cock, pay big money, and cum quickly.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373100]And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.[/QUOTE]Bearing in mind we will often have a different opinion on which girls are pretty, very pretty, beautiful or stunning, I think most of us would agree on who is decent / average looking, above average, doable or more than doable. Maybe I am wrong in assuming decent is essentially the same as average in this regard.

But if it can be taken as essentially the same, I have seen many decent/average (and above) girls walking out of Thermae with non Asians. I have also seen many pretty+ girls in there passed up by every man of every ethnicity and not taken now matter how crowded it is with customers. And I have seen many Asian men walking out with girls who barely qualify as doable. All variations on the theme really.

Aside from perhaps the top 5% best lookers in Thermae, my observation is every other girl in the place will go with any customer of almost any ethnicity as long as he is willing to pay her acceptable going rate and will settle for covered everything. At least, I have never felt a lack of either blatant or muted enthusiasm to be approached and taken from virtually all but that top 5% in there. And my fellow 50+ year old farangs would report the same personal experience.

There is no serious challenge for non Asian guys like us to get 95% of the girls in Thermae to go with us. The only real challenge is getting one to go with us while agreeing to either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That's the only thing that replaces fairly obvious interest in me approaching a girl there with a "No" and "No", I mean. I don't have any survey info on Anal since neither I nor other guys I know who sometimes take Thermae girls negotiate for that.

But I am guessing Asian guys would also be stumped and stymied in taking many or any Thermae girls if BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP were the genuine upfront sticking points between the girl's interest in being approached and "Yes".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373139]
Aside from perhaps the top 5% best lookers in Thermae, my observation is every other girl in the place will go with any customer of almost any ethnicity as long as he is willing to pay her acceptable going rate and will settle for covered everything. At least, I have never felt a lack of either blatant or muted enthusiasm to be approached and taken from virtually all but that top 5% in there. And my fellow 50+ year old farangs would report the same personal experience.

There is no serious challenge for non Asian guys like us to get 95% of the girls in Thermae to go with us. The only real challenge is getting one to go with us while agreeing to either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That's the only thing that replaces fairly obvious interest in me approaching a girl there with a "No" and "No", I mean. I don't have any survey info on Anal since neither I nor other guys I know who sometimes take Thermae girls negotiate for that.

But I am guessing Asian guys would also be stumped and stymied in taking many or any Thermae girls if BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP were the genuine upfront sticking points between the girl's interest in being approached and "Yes".[/QUOTE]I think you just proposed that opinions on decent, and extra pretty vary widely, unless customers are deliberately selecting the ugly girls thinking they will perform better.

Perhaps that is my problem. I am not will to choose ugly in order to get a good service. So I usually get a poor session from the Thermae girls. Restrictions for sure, dick scared too. Have not had a girl worth repeating from there for years!

I never specified your requirements for CIM, CIP, or BBFS, yet I still got girls not at all interested. So certainly not 95% willing to go with me. Obviously one can't know the exact percentage. I suspect much lower. Maybe my problem is I am certainly choosing from the top 5% of lookers (for my taste) which excludes bad surgeries cases, fat thighs and rounded faces. Actually I usually had at most 3 possible target girls in there (maybe less than 5%). Even if a girl goes with me, its of little use if she is not going to give an enthusiastic GFE, at least for me, and yeh I don't want a CBJ either. Some start with an "attitude" and want a Farang surcharge.

Yeh there are girls trying to grab me mainly from the right side, but I rarely am interested in them. They aren't in the top 5%, often not slim enough.

Way back in 1991, the Thermae was Farang guy dominated, many much older than me. In those days it was very common to see guys approach girls, have a discussion (very basic I assume), and move on. Either the girl knocked them back, or guy was asking for things that the girl did not want, or money offer was too poor. Yet in that year I did not get refusals, even from girls that had refused several other guys. I don't know the reason. Was it because I was only 35, or not stingy, or had a small amount of Thai language, I don't know. In that year the girls would stay all night. Fantastic GFEs were had with seemingly horny girls, needing a bit of extra pocket money outside their regular job. Seems so different now. I got a lot of Thai language practice with these girls too, even I struggled a lot in that year. Most Thermae girls had very low English. Would love to go back and repeat.

Girls in the Thermae always had the right to choose what they wanted too. In old days they seemed choosy and seemed to look for a good time for night as well as some money. Back then they were only part time hookers, mostly.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2373053]On FinFin there are plenty of OK looking [I]photos[/I], but most faces are blurred and it's heavily photoshopped, so you can't really tell. Moreover, the process from site to bang it is a hassle (even on a good day) and more importantly, none of the online apps will ever offer the experience of choosing among eager hookers the real world used to. The site targets Thais, but if you speak Thai it's OK, even doable with typing in English (as long as you keep it very simple).

A few times I've done FinFin, the experience was browsing 300 profiles, picking 10, sending Line, 5 of them reply within a reasonable timeframe, the hottest one doesn't like Farang and quotes a high price (no, I don't want you for 3 k if the website clearly says 1. 5 k), the next two stop replying just as I'm about to arrange to meet, and the last one is somewhere far out like Ramkhamaeng, so I take an hour to get there. The session is ok, the few girls I had were reasonably friendly and unrushed, though no beauty queens. However, during the long ride back, I'm thinking I should have jacked off and gone about my day, so that's exactly what I do next time.

Honestly, I doubt working girls available to Thai punters are significantly better, at least not in the under 3 k for ST bracket. It's simply crappier for all of us.[/QUOTE]Great report man. It shows the realities of the hassles with meeting Thai girls that can be very unreliable.

While I can speak Thai and even type Thai well, I am not looking for the so called thrill of the hunt. I just can't be bothered to go through what you describe. Maybe I would make an exception and go to Ram Kham Haeng for a stunner, if I was sure about her face and figure. However girls that normally have Thai customers, may not be really at ease and horny with Farangs.

Hence I much prefer to do girls that normally fuck Farangs or at least greatly prefer Farangs. Far more likely to have a good experience that way. No point me going to an Asian dominated bar, MP, Soapy or web hook up site.

On a slight tangent:

One day went to Emanuelle Soapy and chose a slim absolute stunner for my taste. She had restrictions, dick scared, did not like to do a BJ, and in the end could not really fuck her. A disaster. She said that her normal young Asian customers had no issues with her. They were happy with her poor service, I guess because she was so pretty and nice body. Yet her skills and service were pathetic. Previously I did have some good girls from Emannuelle, that performed fine even if not used to Farangs, but it gets worse and worse, I suppose as I get older.

I don't really understand it, but back in the 90s I could go to a Soapy like Chao Praya 2, where probably the majority of customers were Thai, with some Farangs. Yet back then I had few bad experiences. Could the girls have had a much different attitude because I was younger? I don't think that can be the full story. Girls needed repeat customers. They seemed to try to make the service very good. Hardly met dick scared girls back then. Maybe it helped I had a good mamasan to consult with, not taking her recommended girls necessarily but more so asking her about my targets. She could easily rule out any terrible girls. In those days "body slide" girls tended to be reliable for service. Was never a hassle to be at Chao Praya 2 Soapy for hours, sit eating and drinking. When spot a desirable girl in a large line up, go do a session. Some times more than one session in same day, without even leaving the premises.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373144]I think you just proposed that opinions on decent, and extra pretty vary widely, unless customers are deliberately selecting the ugly girls thinking they will perform better.

Perhaps that is my problem. I am not will to choose ugly in order to get a good service. So I usually get a poor session from the Thermae girls. Restrictions for sure, dick scared too. Have not had a girl worth repeating from there for years!

I never specified your requirements for CIM, CIP, or BBFS, yet I still got girls not at all interested. So certainly not 95% willing to go with me. Obviously one can't know the exact percentage. I suspect much lower. Maybe my problem is I am certainly choosing from the top 5% of lookers (for my taste) which excludes bad surgeries cases, fat thighs and rounded faces. Actually I usually had at most 3 possible target girls in there (maybe less than 5%). Even if a girl goes with me, its of little use if she is not going to give an enthusiastic GFE, at least for me, and yeh I don't want a CBJ either. Some start with an "attitude" and want a Farang surcharge.

Yeh there are girls trying to grab me mainly from the right side, but I rarely am interested in them. They aren't in the top 5%, often not slim enough.
...[/QUOTE]I know some punters will ignore girls who do not fit their spec even to the point of seeming somewhat rude to them or, at the very least, seem themselves to be aloof and disinterested. If I have read your posts correctly, I believe that is often your approach as well. I understand that since I will often behave that way myself in many cases. Particularly in most P4P scenarios where paying the least bit of attention to unacceptable girls only encourages them to come over to you, pester you for Lady Drinks, to sit in your lap and so on.

But that is never going to be the case in Thermae. IMO, that kind of approach many of us employ in go-go bars or walking down the street is the opposite of what can work for us in Thermae. There is virtually zero risk of being hit on and pestered by unacceptable girls in there even if you walk through the crowd and circle the room with a big, welcoming smile and "sawatdee khrup" aimed at any and every girl in your normal line of sight until you settle into a spot to be a bit more specific about it.

I employ the latter approach in Thermae and it never means I am going to choose from among the ugliest girls my eyes and smile happened to land on during the course of the cruise. And they are never going to walk 5 steps out of line to grab my pecker and hit me up for a Lady Drink (there are none in Thermae. lol). However, I am guessing that by doing that a much higher percentage of decent to above average, pretty, often even very pretty girls are responding positively to me along the way than if I scowled on the stroll until I narrowed my gaze on just the 3-5 girls who might qualify as among the top 5% of lookers according to my spec. True, it also doesn't mean that a girl I approach from among those responsive prettier girls is going to say "Yes" to my BBBJ+CIM or BBFS-CIP expectations. But if I were happy to pay their going rate and get neither, which I am not, I think I could walk out of Thermae any night of the week with one of the top, oh let's say 10% lookers in the place. Almost certainly from among the top 20%.

As you alluded to, that is the only "survey" method we can use for this issue in Thermae. So that is the survey method I use. I see plenty of farangs walking in and around Thermae with a dour, deadpan expression or scowl on their face and they get near zero indication of interest from just about every girl in the room. Then they walk over to one of the top 5% lookers, get shut down and leave. I assume they will now tell anyone who asks that Thermae girls "only like Asians." Not saying that is your situation, Syzygies. And I understand that if the only girls in Thermae that look "decent" or better to a farang are among the top 5% lookers, then he could easily conclude there are no girls worth meeting in there since most of the decent ones are only interested in Asian customers. Because, in all probability, the top 5% lookers ARE only interested in Asian customers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373100]And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.[/QUOTE]They do with me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373100]And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.[/QUOTE]Not so sure if that's true, I'd say over half seemed willing to go with me. Maybe the thing is that most of the Asian punters are younger, look like they are having a good time, look like they have money, and are a little less creepy that us farang middle aged mongers (me included).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373167]I know some punters will ignore girls who do not fit their spec even to the point of seeming somewhat rude to them or, at the very least, seem themselves to be aloof and disinterested. If I have read your posts correctly, I believe that is often your approach as well. I understand that since I will often behave that way myself in many cases. Particularly in most P4P scenarios where paying the least bit of attention to unacceptable girls only encourages them to come over to you, pester you for Lady Drinks, to sit in your lap and so on.

But that is never going to be the case in Thermae. IMO, that kind of approach many of us employ in go-go bars or walking down the street is the opposite of what can work for us in Thermae. There is virtually zero risk of being hit on and pestered by unacceptable girls in there even if you walk through the crowd and circle the room with a big, welcoming smile and "sawatdee khrup" aimed at any and every girl in your normal line of sight until you settle into a spot to be a bit more specific about it.

I employ the latter approach in Thermae and it never means I am going to choose from among the ugliest girls my eyes and smile happened to land on during the course of the cruise. And they are never going to walk 5 steps out of line to grab my pecker and hit me up for a Lady Drink (there are none in Thermae. lol). However, I am guessing that by doing that a much higher percentage of decent to above average, pretty, often even very pretty girls are responding positively to me along the way than if I scowled on the stroll until I narrowed my gaze on just the 3-5 girls who might qualify as among the top 5% of lookers according to my spec. True, it also doesn't mean that a girl I approach from among those responsive prettier girls is going to say "Yes" to my BBBJ+CIM or BBFS-CIP expectations. But if I were happy to pay their going rate and get neither, which I am not, I think I could walk out of Thermae any night of the week with one of the top, oh let's say 10% lookers in the place. Almost certainly from among the top 20%.

As you alluded to, that is the only "survey" method we can use for this issue in Thermae. So that is the survey method I use. I see plenty of farangs walking in and around Thermae with a dour, deadpan expression or scowl on their face and they get near zero indication of interest from just about every girl in the room. Then they walk over to one of the top 5% lookers, get shut down and leave. I assume they will now tell anyone who asks that Thermae girls "only like Asians." Not saying that is your situation, Syzygies. And I understand that if the only girls in Thermae that look "decent" or better to a farang are among the top 5% lookers, then he could easily conclude there are no girls worth meeting in there since most of the decent ones are only interested in Asian customers. Because, in all probability, the top 5% lookers ARE only interested in Asian customers.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. You are probably spot on. I can be very deadpan and aloof, if I am not spotting any girl that interests me. Years of bar training to absolutely ignore girls of no interest, to avoid being pestered. I am not like some guys that can sleaze up to girls even if he has no intention of buying whatsoever. I don't like to waste the girl's time, unless sure she has nothing better to do with her time. I don't like to occupy girls' time without intentions, since could cause them to miss a real customer prospect.

I always believed making eye contact only encourages girls, so I don't like to make eye contact for too long with girls unless they interest me, and avoid it completely for the uglies. Refusing to make eye contact with girls gives an immediate clear message I think and helps keep away lots of bar girls.

I can't be bothered talking to lots of girls, unless the girl is particularly interesting to talk to. After all I went there to get a hot fuck.

I am capable of showing clear interest in a girl though, once she really pulls my eye. Maybe not the biggest grin in the place, until a stunner wants me. Ha ha. Girls will know when I can't stop looking at them repeatedly. Sometimes they then give encouragement and sometimes the reverse. So often I will know a girl is not keen at all, before I even approach. I would still call that a knock back, if an indirect one. If I speak to them and they don't answer, that is also a knock back in my mind.

Yes I accept my demeanour can count against me. I am not grinning heaps when there is no funny joke happening. However I am actually quite relaxed and jovial, even when girls think I am deadpan. I find sometimes girls will knock me back if I took too long to decide on them, as though they were not seen as really good, but merely a last resort reluctant pick.

In the 90's, there were none of these problems. I guess I was younger and more handsome (ha ha. Joke - rather average I think) and possibly seen as one of the most desirable guys on offer at the time. Not any more, yet I am not fat (not quite slim but okay). And still have hair (not even much white hairs) which probably counts for zero.

Maybe a big smile could help me. I notice Natty Bumpo can put on a more encouraging face than I probably manage. So I guess important for us to try to act much younger than our actual age.

Some of my regular girls are young and pretty and quite orgasmic, very into the sex, love DATY and cowgirl etc. , and don't seem to give a shit about my age. However the difference is they know my character already.

Some girls respond very well to me indeed. In a bar, it merely needs a wink or nod to show interest and call a girl over. Always have fond memories of an extremely lovey-dovey girl I met in Billboard, who was quite intimate after just a few minutes and a couple of pink tequilas. Yet I assume she turned it on for all the customers. She soon found a Farang BF sponsor and quit there very promptly. She certainly knew how to catch a big fish, pretty, good body and a good fuck too. Too good for me (sort of). I would have repeated her forever.

Early 2000s I used to get knockbacks from some bargirls and still did sometimes in Crazy House. The main reason had to be they wanted Asians or young spunky guys. We got used to it. They still had plenty of girls that preferred older farangs. They can lie back, close the eyes and really get into DATY, they can dim the lights for sex, to better ignore that the man is a bit old. If I offer girls the chance to skip the DATY, very few of them want to skip it. That might be the best part for them.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2373053]Honestly, I doubt working girls available to Thai punters are significantly better, at least not in the under 3 k for ST bracket. It's simply crappier for all of us.[/QUOTE]In reality they may not be, but that is how psychology works. Men always covet something they don't have or cannot get.

I felt it was time to give my Soi 4 street girl Naam, another visit. Have not seem her for over 3 months (hardly was in Bangkok). Always a great GFE and wonderful feel pussy. Got there and met Joom immediately who is a always there and a friend of Naam. Joom says sorry Naam is pregnant already, has Farang BF and they got married. Oh fuck! Another of my regulars gone. One other girl on the street looks sort of acceptable but I did not try. Went to look in a few Nana bars. I see there are now 2 Twister bars, with Twister BKK added to the left ground floor. Had a look and also in Bill Board. Bill board had a big party. Girls were dressed up a la Victoria's Secret slightly (so some had wings on). Junk food like Pizza and chips etc. Was being served too.

Annoyingly hard to see girls at the back on the rotating stage. Some really great asses on display at the front. Faces were harder to tell because the lighting is so dreadfully poor (and my eyesight is getting old). However I know that not many have a really pretty face (some above average though). From right underneath can see how broad most of the noses are even with nose job. Could not really pick any girl I could be sure of being happy with under the difficult circumstances. Tits can't tell either because covered too much. Had a peak in Diamonds with better lighting and some topless girls. Nothing that amazing for a pretty face.

Started to walk back to Cowboy, but decided to take a look in Thermae for fun. Was absolutely packed with big queues to get a drink. Heaps of Asian guys circulating clockwise. Did not really see Farangs in the circulating throng. Was surprised that 2 right hand side girls were actually quite good looking although lighting in Thermae is also a little subdued and of a tone that seems to make girls look better than they do once they are outside. Finally I see on left side a girl with light and pretty face (at least as far as I could see in that lighting). I had my incorrect glasses on (intended for computer work). She assures me that she likes Farangs and is not scared of them in the slightest. So I took her away for short time.

She was 30 YO or so. Her body was okay Tits small as expected and not saggy. Belly scar from a baby, but not a really heavy one. Ass okay Unfortunately big pussy Bush. If in a gogo bar, I probably would not have even called her over. Off to my Hotel.

Showered separately, the first suspect sign. She did not want to kiss more than a peck. Claimed to have injured her tongue while brushing her teeth. Ha ha. (I am Skeptical). She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time. Was bothersome to have to get her Bush out of the way. No one complains about my DATY that fast, and hardly ever unless the girl has injury from her own pussy shaving. Most girls get horny even if reluctantly. So how am I going to get turned on. She has admitted to being quite inexperienced by now. A hairdresser by day in Ramkhamhaeng. In Thermae with a group of her friends / Colleagues. I doubt she has fucked many Farangs. She says she can do a BJ. So the BBBJ is actually not bad. Very slow and soft as I like. Dick goes up. So put on condom and try to fuck. Her pussy does not feel good for some reason like its hard to get in there very deep. Pussy is not gripping the dick at all, yet check with fingers finds no obstruction. It is possible deep down they could be problem like stitched too tight since fingers can only reach 4 to 5 inches and dick is somewhat longer. Anyway my dick is not enjoying the feel (after some beautiful feeling fucks at SW and Doki Doki in earlier days and even a bargirl from Five Star). So naturally the dick is starting to sag and her looks are not that massively hot especially with big Bush to keep me excited. I am oldish now. Dick is quite insensitive. Things have to go right for me to enjoy, maybe not like when I was 35 YO. Soon realised there was no way the fuck with her was going to work, and she was not even moving her body like she wanted it.

So yet another poor session from Thermae. In truth I have managed to cum with some of my girls from last few years at the Thermae, certainly not all, but not one of them was good enough to ever consider repeating. So that's it. Can't see any reason to ever go to Thermae again. My success rate is just too poor. Basically batting zero for last few years in terms of being really satisfied and considering it not to be a waste of money. Its for a different sort of customer, young Asians I guess. Maybe they don't care if girls have weak experience, lack of skills, big Bush, etc. Or maybe the girls can perform a bit better. I am sure I have had a bad string of luck with my choices, but don't see how to rectify that. If girls were dancing nude on stage, under good lighting, like at some bars, I could choose way better. Maybe could choose better with a long interview process but I detect that the girls hate long discussions and too many questions, generally. They want to know pretty quick if you will take them. In a gogo bar, I can manage to have a very long consideration and interview process before BFing. It works better and I have a much better success rate. MPs can be hit and miss too if they have plenty of dud girls at the venue. So venue becomes important. Had plenty of dud girls in Soapies in recent years too, with the odd really good one.

So it must be me. I am put off girls easily, and dick just doesn't work with too much adversity. The condom of course is the start of the adversity but can be tolerated with top performing girls with really hot looks. Never was a problem with my favourite Crazy House girls, for example.

So my advice, if you are an older Farang with a non sensitive dick like me, and need things to be going pretty much right with girls ability, attitude, looks, and body, then Thermae is a very suspect hunting ground, where can get very inexperienced girls and with low skills. Did not find many "horny" girls from there. More interested in quick money mostly these days.

Later I took a regular bar girl (several times in last 2 years). She was real horny and claimed to have had no fuck for a while. She came extra fast from DATY within 2 minutes, as she claimed her pussy had been quite deprived lately. Never found her that difficult to cum, and always likes the DATY. Gave me a good BBBJ and also a tit fuck since her tits are big (has gained a little weight). Also her pussy is very beautiful to look at which is nice for me, not just for fucking. Her landing strip above is very short and smooth shaved round the sides of the pussy to above the clit level.

Time to give the dick a day off maybe now. To make sure I am really horny again.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373366]I felt it was time to give my Soi 4 street girl Naam, another visit. Have not seem her for over 3 months (hardly was in Bangkok). Always a great GFE and wonderful feel pussy. Got there and met Joom immediately who is a always there and a friend of Naam. Joom says sorry Naam is pregnant already, has Farang BF and they got married. Oh fuck! Another of my regulars gone. One other girl on the street looks sort of acceptable but I did not try. Went to look in a few Nana bars. I see there are now 2 Twister bars, with Twister BKK added to the left ground floor. Had a look and also in Bill Board. Bill board had a big party. Girls were dressed up a la Victoria's Secret slightly (so some had wings on). Junk food like Pizza and chips etc. Was being served too.

Annoyingly hard to see girls at the back on the rotating stage. Some really great asses on display at the front. Faces were harder to tell because the lighting is so dreadfully poor (and my eyesight is getting old). However I know that not many have a really pretty face (some above average though). From right underneath can see how broad most of the noses are even with nose job. Could not really pick any girl I could be sure of being happy with under the difficult circumstances. Tits can't tell either because covered too much. Had a peak in Diamonds with better lighting and some topless girls. Nothing that amazing for a pretty face.

Started to walk back to Cowboy, but decided to take a look in Thermae for fun. Was absolutely packed with big queues to get a drink. Heaps of Asian guys circulating clockwise. Did not really see Farangs in the circulating throng. Was surprised that 2 right hand side girls were actually quite good looking although lighting in Thermae is also a little subdued and of a tone that seems to make girls look better than they do once they are outside. Finally I see on left side a girl with light and pretty face (at least as far as I could see in that lighting). I had my incorrect glasses on (intended for computer work). She assures me that she likes Farangs and is not scared of them in the slightest. So I took her away for short time.

She was 30 YO or so. Her body was okay Tits small as expected and not saggy. Belly scar from a baby, but not a really heavy one. Ass okay Unfortunately big pussy Bush. If in a gogo bar, I probably would not have even called her over. Off to my Hotel.

Showered separately, the first suspect sign. She did not want to kiss more than a peck. Claimed to have injured her tongue while brushing her teeth. Ha ha. (I am Skeptical). She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time. Was bothersome to have to get her Bush out of the way. No one complains about my DATY that fast, and hardly ever unless the girl has injury from her own pussy shaving. Most girls get horny even if reluctantly. So how am I going to get turned on. She has admitted to being quite inexperienced by now. A hairdresser by day in Ramkhamhaeng. In Thermae with a group of her friends / Colleagues. I doubt she has fucked many Farangs. She says she can do a BJ. So the BBBJ is actually not bad. Very slow and soft as I like. Dick goes up. So put on condom and try to fuck. Her pussy does not feel good for some reason like its hard to get in there very deep. Pussy is not gripping the dick at all, yet check with fingers finds no obstruction. It is possible deep down they could be problem like stitched too tight since fingers can only reach 4 to 5 inches and dick is somewhat longer. Anyway my dick is not enjoying the feel (after some beautiful feeling fucks at SW and Doki Doki in earlier days and even a bargirl from Five Star). So naturally the dick is starting to sag and her looks are not that massively hot especially with big Bush to keep me excited. I am oldish now. Dick is quite insensitive. Things have to go right for me to enjoy, maybe not like when I was 35 YO. Soon realised there was no way the fuck with her was going to work, and she was not even moving her body like she wanted it.

So yet another poor session from Thermae. In truth I have managed to cum with some of my girls from last few years at the Thermae, certainly not all, but not one of them was good enough to ever consider repeating. So that's it. Can't see any reason to ever go to Thermae again. My success rate is just too poor. Basically batting zero for last few years in terms of being really satisfied and considering it not to be a waste of money. Its for a different sort of customer, young Asians I guess. Maybe they don't care if girls have weak experience, lack of skills, big Bush, etc. Or maybe the girls can perform a bit better. I am sure I have had a bad string of luck with my choices, but don't see how to rectify that. If girls were dancing nude on stage, under good lighting, like at some bars, I could choose way better. Maybe could choose better with a long interview process but I detect that the girls hate long discussions and too many questions, generally. They want to know pretty quick if you will take them. In a gogo bar, I can manage to have a very long consideration and interview process before BFing. It works better and I have a much better success rate. MPs can be hit and miss too if they have plenty of dud girls at the venue. So venue becomes important. Had plenty of dud girls in Soapies in recent years too, with the odd really good one.

So it must be me. I am put off girls easily, and dick just doesn't work with too much adversity. The condom of course is the start of the adversity but can be tolerated with top performing girls with really hot looks. Never was a problem with my favourite Crazy House girls, for example.

So my advice, if you are an older Farang with a non sensitive dick like me, and need things to be going pretty much right with girls ability, attitude, looks, and body, then Thermae is a very suspect hunting ground, where can get very inexperienced girls and with low skills. Did not find many "horny" girls from there. More interested in quick money mostly these days.

Later I took a regular bar girl (several times in last 2 years). She was real horny and claimed to have had no fuck for a while. She came extra fast from DATY within 2 minutes, as she claimed her pussy had been quite deprived lately. Never found her that difficult to cum, and always likes the DATY. Gave me a good BBBJ and also a tit fuck since her tits are big (has gained a little weight). Also her pussy is very beautiful to look at which is nice for me, not just for fucking. Her landing strip above is very short and smooth shaved round the sides of the pussy to above the clit level.

Time to give the dick a day off maybe now. To make sure I am really horny again.[/QUOTE]I think you hit on most of the reasons Thermae is one of the most uncomfortable and potentially least rewarding venues for choosing a good P4P girl unless you are the sort of customer who gets rock hard simply being alone in a hotel room with a girl and are delighted to engage in sex with a condom. In that case, the big advantage to Thermae over your (and my) better choice, go-go bars, is the price. You can get a decent looking, publicly presentable girl into your hotel room for as little as 2,500 baht. Not as good as meeting some of those same girls out on the street. But cheaper than the go-go bar route and most PSE MP and Soapy venues.

However, after getting a relative bargain price, good luck having a great time. Among those of us for whom a great time must include shaved or closely trimmed pussy, DFK, appreciated DATY, BBBJ and then either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM (with a girl who at least approaches our acceptable spec, of course), we must interview much more extensively in Thermae than any other venue I know. That's where the problem of Thermae being one of the worst possible environments to interview and negotiate these things rears its ugly head.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373459]I think you hit on most of the reasons Thermae is one of the most uncomfortable and potentially least rewarding venues for choosing a good P4P girl unless you are the sort of customer who gets rock hard simply being alone in a hotel room with a girl and are delighted to engage in sex with a condom. [/QUOTE]Ha ha. Yes you hit the nail on the head there. I am a veteran of seeing hot nude girls dancing for many years and been to European clubs with nude girls. 30 years ago I even went to nude beaches with ex wife. So the girl just being in the room with me with small tits and a big Bush is not making me rock hard. Not even slightly hard with some girls. I normally rely on nice kissing to start me going. If I happen to get no kissing and a shit BJ, I can be struggling badly.

Why aren't I hard? Ask some girls. Well nothing happened yet to make me hard. A shy girl does not make me automatically hard, even if naked.

I can get a hard on in the bar, but not from watching girls dancing. From kissing and touching.

A Japanese buddy had a dick so sensitive, he would have to drink a fair bit of alcohol before getting the girl naked, for fear he would blow his load in less than a minute once they got started. Alcohol dampens the sensation and helps some guys last longer. Quite the opposite for me (take a long time to cum). Alcohol impedes my feeling. I would love to be a happy medium with a quite sensitive dick and able to pop multiples etc. Getting 2 pops is quite rare for me and have not even tried recently.

More and more I think I need BBFS, to better guarantee it will work with the girl. So I understand your situation well. Insensitive dick. We need favourable circumstances and girl behaviour.

Yes Thermae is cheaper than a bargirl, but far less likely to be a good time. It is disaster to lose my very good value and performance Soi 4 girl to a Farang sponser. She could have been working Soi 4 for multiple reasons. Save money, likes fucking and looking for a Farang boyfriend. Her only weakness was very small tits, not something that bothers me. Apparently pregnant now (and I think already had 1 child). I wonder if she got pregnant to hook the guy? A very dangerous ploy, but not uncommon with Thai girls. I certainly don't approve of couples rushing to have a baby. One girl recently said she had a baby with Boyfriend of a very short duration because she was 30 and the clock was ticking. Boyfriend did not last.

I am very keen to get the Vasectomy done soon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373528]...
I am very keen to get the Vasectomy done soon.[/QUOTE]Getting a vasectomy was one of the best decisions of my life with regard to my sexual pleasure and reducing the risk of unwanted pregnancy to near zero, supposedly 20 times safer than 100% proper condom use.

Unless there is a new and better technique for performing one developed in the past 35 years since I got mine, research the "no-scalpel" vasectomy option. Do a Google Search. There will be no pain during the procedure anyway. But the "no-scalpel" method also hastens recovery with less pain. And is far less intrusive and risky in terms of unexpected longer term sensation loss on your ball sac.

That's the kind I got. I did not even know that was my doctor's preferred way of performing a vasectomy until he started the procedure. LOL. I assumed he was going to make two incisions on the front of my scrotum to access the vas deferens. No, instead, he just poked one hole in the back of my scrotum, almost to the taint, and pulled each of the two vas deferens through that single hole, one at a time, to perform the procedure.

I suppose that hole can be poked at the front of the scrotum. Don't know. But I am glad there were no incisions or holes poked on the front of my scrotum because I am one who enjoys light tickling there and did not want to risk even a minor pleasure sensation "dead zone" spot where scar tissue might inhibit pleasurable sensation long after healing. Maybe that is never an issue either way. But I was still glad not to even consider it could be an issue.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373554]
I suppose that hole can be poked at the front of the scrotum. Don't know. But I am glad there were no incisions or holes poked on the front of my scrotum because I am one who enjoys light tickling there and did not want to risk even a minor pleasure sensation "dead zone" spot where scar tissue might inhibit pleasurable sensation long after healing. Maybe that is never an issue either way. But I was still glad not to even consider it could be an issue.[/QUOTE]Thanks for advice. I am very much into same tickling. All my regular girls know this very well.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373582]Thanks for advice. I am very much into same tickling. All my regular girls know this very well.[/QUOTE]Yes, I knew that about you as well because I'd read it before here. But I didn't mention I knew it in my post because I didn't want other readers to get the wrong idea about how I knew it about you. Haha.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373366]...............She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time............[/QUOTE]This is the first time I have ever heard of a girl complaining of pain from DATY. That is virtually impossible unless you use your teeth.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2373621]This is the first time I have ever heard of a girl complaining of pain from DATY. That is virtually impossible unless you use your teeth.[/QUOTE]A girl might claim "jep (pain) pussy" from DATY if she is out to scam a customer into bringing the entire session to a stop (after enjoying the DATY, that is) but for him to still pay her the full amount of baht agreed upon as though she'd actually provided him with some kind of sex act other than DATY. That is exactly what happened to me just about a week ago.

No, I didn't use my teeth either. LOL. I never do. Nor do I have long fingernails that might scratch her pussy from fingering it. Nor do I put some kind of ointment on my hands or in my mouth to make a pussy "jep" during DATY or while touching it. In my case, the mild and gentle DATY only lasted about 5 minutes. And after I asked if she was in too much pain to continue and did she want to leave now, she said Yes but forgot to continue pretending in an overly dramatic fashion that her pussy was "jep" as she happily hopped out of bed, showered, dressed and prepared to leave as though her pussy had never felt a moment of pain in its entire life. That was the final giveaway that she was lying.

Here are the links to my report on the experience and my followup report about what happened when I returned to the bar to tell a mamasan about it.

[B]Avoid the slim blonde scammer Nom in Butterflies[/B]
(Post #47144)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2371644[/URL]#post2371644.

(Post #47175)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2372783[/URL]#post2372783.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373629]A girl might claim "jep (pain) pussy" from DATY if she is out to scam a customer into bringing the entire session to a stop (after enjoying the DATY, that is) but for him to still pay her the full amount of baht agreed upon as though she'd actually provided him with some kind of sex act other than DATY. That is exactly what happened to me just about a week ago.

No, I didn't use my teeth either. LOL. I never do. Nor do I have long fingernails that might scratch her pussy from fingering it. Nor do I put some kind of ointment on my hands or in my mouth to make a pussy "jep" during DATY or while touching it. In my case, the mild and gentle DATY only lasted about 5 minutes. And after I asked if she was in too much pain to continue and did she want to leave now, she said Yes but forgot to continue pretending in an overly dramatic fashion that her pussy was "jep" as she happily hopped out of bed, showered, dressed and prepared to leave as though her pussy had never felt a moment of pain in its entire life. That was the final giveaway that she was lying.

Here are the links to my report on the experience and my followup report about what happened when I returned to the bar to tell a mamasan about it.

[B]Avoid the slim blonde scammer Nom in Butterflies[/B]
(Post #47144)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2371644[/URL]#post2371644.

(Post #47175)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2372783[/URL]#post2372783.[/QUOTE]Yours was obviously a bad girl and a scam artist. Oh well, it happens to us all occasionally. There is no way to eliminate a rare 1 in 100 or 1 in 200 ripoff. If one is experiencing a significantly higher scam frequency than say a 1 in 50 percentage than its probably time to reevaluate one's MO or sourcing.

The last bad one I had was in September 2018 from Badabing A Go Go. She was a pretty girl and very nice in the bar. I took her back to my hotel. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and bareback sexual intercourse for the 1st 12 minutes was ALL GOOD. Then she started asking if I could finish soon, ha ha, which she continued on with every 60 seconds like a stop watch until I got tired of it and pulled out thus terminating the session. Then she asked if I was mad and began apologizing, telling me that the next time I could take as much time as I wanted. I told her there was no next time only now time, but that I was not mad, only disappointed with her. So, I gave her 2000 baht. Our in the bar agreed upon price was 2500 baht. She did not complain, but asked for taxi money. I gave her 100 baht more just to get rid of her. Then I fixed up the bed, took a quick shower, and went to Nana where I picked up a cute little Chinese replica in RB4 and had a good time.

The moral of the story is that my Badabing girl got away with her bad service and your Butterflies girl got away with her scam because any amount we give them is a plus as far as they, the bad girls, are concerned. They received lady drink commissions, barfine points and received a significant portion of their fee all while shortchanging their respective customers. What can you say? This is the definition of a bad girl. So, I say fuck them and move on. Although I will add that my little episode turned me off on Badabing and I have not gone back or barfined a girl from there since. That may be unfair to the bar, but hey, it is just as easy for me to go to Kings Castle 1 & 2 or Pink Panther and I have never been burned in those bars.

For those who laughed when I told my story about the time I fucked the midget from Soi Cowboy, here's a photo of a somewhat similar midget. What guy in his right mind wouldn't fuck that?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2373663]...
So, I say fuck them and move on. Although I will add that my little episode turned me off on Badabing and I have not gone back or barfined a girl from there since. That may be unfair to the bar, but hey, it is just as easy for me to go to Kings Castle 1 & 2 or Pink Panther and I have never been burned in those bars.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am sometimes inclined to write off a bar entirely after a particularly bad experience too. Like you, I recognize that it is probably unfair to the bar. I wouldn't automatically do that after getting one bad meal in a restaurant I'd had good meals in before or hearing a lousy band once in a nightclub. There must be something about the let down after winding yourself up physically and emotionally for a good time, the personal investment you put into it for you and her. Why have the cloud of that memory over your head when you walk in that bar again? Especially when there are so many other bars and girls around.

Going back into a bar where a girl has burned you in the recent past just isn't nearly as pleasant as going into a bar where the slate is blank. Or, better yet, a bar where you have had good results and no scams pulled on you.

Going back into a bar where a girl has burned you to report it to the mamasan, while the girl is right there too, is probably too much for most punters to fathom doing. But I suppose there are times when it would bother me more not to do it than to do it. Lol. Could have something to do with the fact that I live here and am not just passing through. I have no excuse for not doing it. It isn't like I am so busy rushing to the next session before heading back to the airport or anything like that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373686]
Going back into a bar where a girl has burned you in the recent past just isn't nearly as pleasant as going into a bar where the slate is blank. Or, better yet, a bar where you have had good results and no scams pulled on you.

Going back into a bar where a girl has burned you to report it to the mamasan, while the girl is right there too, is probably too much for most punters to fathom doing. But I suppose there are times when it would bother me more not to do it than to do it. Lol. Could have something to do with the fact that I live here and am not just passing through. I have no excuse for not doing it. It isn't like I am so busy rushing to the next session before heading back to the airport or anything like that.[/QUOTE]I am not sure that going back to the bar to report the issue to the mamasan or manager does any good. In your example, if you had gone back to the bar right away with the girl in hand, mamasan might have given your barfine back or offered you another girl of your choice or she might not have. That's not a good position to be in if the response was the latter, but at least you would know for certain what kind of bar you are dealing with.

I did this one time ie went back to the mamasan with the girl in hand, but this was not in BKK. I was at 1001 Hotel and Spa in Jakarta. I was in a room with one of their girls. We had showered together and were in bed naked when the girl tried to place a condom on my dick before commencing a BJ. I objected. The girl said this was the only way she would do it. Then she said, "do you want a different girl?" And I said I would prefer you, but if you will not give me a BJ without condom, yes, I want another girl. I should add that I had never done this before ie tried to change girls. So, we put on our clothes and went downstairs to the reception / lounge area and we spoke to the mamasan. I told her my problem and what we had done in the room up to that point. The girl backed me up on my reportage. The mamasan's reaction was; there is no problem. CBJ is what we do here. Girl has done nothing wrong. You can't change girl. You can have 2nd girl and will be charged 2 x or you can go back upstairs and finish or you can pay what you owe and leave. I objected and after failing to convince me of her logic for 10 minutes, she asked if I wanted to talk to the manager. Having gone this far I said yes, I want to talk the manager.

So, the girl and I waited in the lounge area for another 10 minutes until the manager came out to talk with us. I repeated my story. The girl backed me up. The manger said the same thing as mamasan, what's the problem. There is no problem. Our girls don't give BBBJ's. I then said that I had been here many times and almost always received BBBJ's to which the manager asked me to name the girls who gave me BBBJ's. I said no, I am not going to tell (rat) on good girls and get them in trouble. Just take the charge off my tab and I will forget the matter. To wit the manager said sorry can not do that. He spoke to the girl and then said, take the girl back upstairs. I will reset the clock and you will have full time left and this girl will take very good care of you. I said no I don't think so. The vibe between us is no longer good. HA HA. He laughed and said no, it is still very good. This is her job. She will take good care of you and then he said something more to the girl and she nodded again in the affirmative yes. HA HA HA!

So, after fooling around in the lounge area for over 30 minutes I got nowhere. MY choice was to 1. reject the girl on principal, but pay my tab in full or 2. spend the next 3 or 4 hours arguing with security and or the cops or 3. take the girl back upstairs and fuck her brains out regardless about how I felt at the moment. I chose No 3 so the clock was reset and I went back upstairs with the girl in hand for the most unusual sex I have had with a prostitute in over 20 years. 555.

Back in the room, the girl started to go for the shower again and I said, "hey honey we just took a shower 30 minutes ago. Let's get to it." So, I laid down on my back stark nagged and she applied the condom and gave me a BJ while I remained a passive starfish customer with a chip on his shoulder. But she got me kind of hard and asked if she could proceed and I said yeah, so she mounted up and began to ride my dick as I continued to do absolutely nothing. But then I began watching her tits bounce all around as she was riding me pretty damn good and sonofabitch if I didn't start to enjoy it. Ha Ha. So, I cupped her tits and then realized I was rock hard. Eventually I flipped her over into mish and fucked her pretty hard, but not too hard, and sure enough I came in about 25 minutes. The God Damn slimy manager was right. The fuck itself was pretty good and the girl took pretty good care of me. I guess I am just a fuck hound! Anyway, I wasn't mad at the girl anymore. We even laughed a bit while we showered together and then we got dressed. But, as we were leaving the room, she asked me for a tip. So I said, "next time a customer asks you for a BBBJ, give him a BBBJ and do not say no." She responded with, "what about my tip" and I said, "that was my tip to you. Think about it." So, we walked back down to the lounge NOT holding hands and we DID NOT say goodbye. I didn't bother hanging out any further in the lounge or looking over any of the 100 or so other girls there as I usually would. I paid my tab which was 1,400,000 rp for the girl and left. I took a taxi up to CJ's and had shot of Tequila while surveying all the FL's in the bar. I did not take an 2nd girl that night. I was spent.

And that is my story about trying to change girls in a Bordello. It did not work out as I originally envisioned it, but my experience had a strange, quirky ending. BTW, thus far, I haven't gone back to 1001. It has been 2 years since this night occurred. Previously I had been a big fan of the joint and met lots of really great girls there. I probably will go back tentatively on my next visit. They have a ton of young, pretty Indo girls and my percentage there is roughly a plus 60/40 BBBJ's over CBJ's. In the past, I have also enjoyed anal rimmings and BBFS there too. It just depends on the girl and your luck of the draw. But of course, at other bordellos in Jakarta, the odds of receiving a BBBJ is 100% and of getting BBFS is maybe 60% without any negotiation. YMMV.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2373715]I am not sure that going back to the bar to report the issue to the mamasan or manager does any good. In your example, if you had gone back to the bar right away with the girl in hand, mamasan might have given your barfine back or offered you another girl of your choice or she might not have. That's not a good position to be in if the response was the latter, but at least you would know for certain what kind of bar you are dealing with.

... [/QUOTE]The mamasan did what I expected her to do and the most I expected really. She went directly to the girl, clearly pointed me out and took her aside to talk to her about it. I assume the topic had to be the same one I talked to the mamasan about. LOL. The girl was put on notice. I have seen that girl coming and going in the Plaza 2-3 times since. Never with a customer, btw, but maybe mostly she uses the ST rooms in Nana Plaza.

I would never take a second girl on the spot after getting scammed by another one in a bar. I would just go to another bar.

And there is a technical reason I never ask, demand or expect a bar or any other managed venue in Thailand to give me a refund. It can only be between the girl and me in the context of an, "I will give you X amount of baht IF you do this for me" kind of negotiation. Oh, if the bar wants to make a magnanimous gesture to do it they can. But it happens to me so rarely and the money on the line at that point so minor the money isn't important.

Ah, but you might think the point is to punish or penalize the scammer, right?

Well, technically, since 1992 the government of Thailand has asked bar, brothel, massage shop, etc owners NOT to penalize girls or give refunds to customers who expect to be provided with bareback/no condom sexual activity. That would be me.

And that is even if it is after fair and square negotiation for it and even if a version of such a thing is spelled out on a menu, such as "BBBJ+CIM." Another major reason never to Pay Upfront, while we're on the subject.

That is what the 100% Condom Use movement in Thailand was all about. And, as far as I know, it has not been officially abolished. Not that condoms were [I]required[/I] for every sex act, but that any girl at any time for any act and for any reason could demand one and not be penalized or the bar give a refund for her requiring one. That is so even if your brothel, MP or go-go bar girl suddenly demands that you wear a condom to jerk yourself off no closer than 10 feet from her left ear.

Now, it did not come to that in the room with my scammer. But that is all any Thai girl working in a managed venue (not a FL) needs to say was the reason she did not have sex with me if it came to her word against mine.

There has been a small surge of talent outside the traditional areas if you are on your game. Try the bigger bars in the W District, On Nut and Phra Khanong. The ones I have seen / chatted with in On Nut are pretty dismal, the ones at W District are OK and I played hide the sausage with one I snagged on Soi 71. Just smile and nod, you will know who they are.

I used to get plenty in Thong Lo, but I was younger and better looking. I'm sure that with this weather cramping my style, in the interests of science, I will head over there too.

So, I have a beard. It's not long, and I try to keep things trimmed to prevent too much irritation, but I think that Asian ladies are; A) not used to DATY in general, with their Asian BFs; and B) younger ladies (especially shaved) are somewhat sensitive to the irritation from a beard. This is why I like ladies that are not too young, as I think they have more experience with the pleasures of DATY, and they are more experienced with farangs with beards. There are no guarantees here, but you make choices to increase your odds. This is why I love Crazy House. The girls are less shy (if they are getting naked in the bar) and I can see what I'm buying. Frankly, the average good looking Thai 30 year old is pretty hot to me, so I'm easy to please in that way. I really don't want a 20 something from Bacarra that is just going to lay there like a rug.

One thing I try to do is motivate a lady with repeat business. I'm usually in town for a week, or so, and I try to hunt as soon as I arrive to maximize the number of potential visits she might get from me, if I'm happy with the service. I think there is a bit of an "art" to mutually picking a lady in a gogo bar. You want a lady that picks you, and you like as well. If there is anything for her at all, I find it leads to a better experience overall. I bar fined the same lady (AOM) from CH almost every night my last trip. She was fun, and genuinely nice, but I think she was looking for a farang BF to help her get away from the gogos.

As for scammers, they are like death and taxes, and unless it's really bad, I wouldn't press things too far with the bar, unless you're not concerned about burning any bridges. The reality is that the ladies and bars are like cable TV and cell phone providers. We pay a bunch of money, and usually things are OK, but if there is a problem, the customer service is next to non-existent. Switching companies (bars) is pointless as they all have their good / bad ladies.

Scammers are everywhere, and it isn't like all the scammers are at Scammers A-gogo. I think ET found a happy medium by saying something to the mamasan, and leaving it there. After all, the bar doesn't care too much as long as they keep getting the barfine, and lady drink profits, from the girl. In fact, a hot girl that gets kicked to the curb before the session is over can make them more money as she can come back to the bar sooner, and get another BF or more lady drinks.

I have typically only done gogo bars for take out, with occasional soapies and oilies, but my last trip I saw some serious lookers on the street around Nana. I had always avoided them out of concern of stories of the ladies trying to drug your drinks to rob you in the hotel. However, I may dip my toes into that pool if I get to visit again, later this year. We'll see how it works out. If I do, I will certainly report back here.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373366]I felt it was time to give my Soi 4 street girl Naam, another visit. Have not seem her for over 3 months (hardly was in Bangkok). Always a great GFE and wonderful feel pussy. Got there and met Joom immediately who is a always there and a friend of Naam. Joom says sorry Naam is pregnant already, has Farang BF and they got married. Oh fuck! Another of my regulars gone. One other girl on the street looks sort of acceptable but I did not try. Went to look in a few Nana bars. I see there are now 2 Twister bars, with Twister BKK added to the left ground floor. Had a look and also in Bill Board. Bill board had a big party. Girls were dressed up a la Victoria's Secret slightly (so some had wings on). Junk food like Pizza and chips etc. Was being served too.

Annoyingly hard to see girls at the back on the rotating stage. Some really great asses on display at the front. Faces were harder to tell because the lighting is so dreadfully poor (and my eyesight is getting old). However I know that not many have a really pretty face (some above average though). From right underneath can see how broad most of the noses are even with nose job. Could not really pick any girl I could be sure of being happy with under the difficult circumstances. Tits can't tell either because covered too much. Had a peak in Diamonds with better lighting and some topless girls. Nothing that amazing for a pretty face.

Started to walk back to Cowboy, but decided to take a look in Thermae for fun. Was absolutely packed with big queues to get a drink. Heaps of Asian guys circulating clockwise. Did not really see Farangs in the circulating throng. Was surprised that 2 right hand side girls were actually quite good looking although lighting in Thermae is also a little subdued and of a tone that seems to make girls look better than they do once they are outside. Finally I see on left side a girl with light and pretty face (at least as far as I could see in that lighting). I had my incorrect glasses on (intended for computer work). She assures me that she likes Farangs and is not scared of them in the slightest. So I took her away for short time.

She was 30 YO or so. Her body was okay Tits small as expected and not saggy. Belly scar from a baby, but not a really heavy one. Ass okay Unfortunately big pussy Bush. If in a gogo bar, I probably would not have even called her over. Off to my Hotel.

Showered separately, the first suspect sign. She did not want to kiss more than a peck. Claimed to have injured her tongue while brushing her teeth. Ha ha. (I am Skeptical). She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time. Was bothersome to have to get her Bush out of the way. No one complains about my DATY that fast, and hardly ever unless the girl has injury from her own pussy shaving. Most girls get horny even if reluctantly. So how am I going to get turned on. She has admitted to being quite inexperienced by now. A hairdresser by day in Ramkhamhaeng. In Thermae with a group of her friends / Colleagues. I doubt she has fucked many Farangs. She says she can do a BJ. So the BBBJ is actually not bad. Very slow and soft as I like. Dick goes up. So put on condom and try to fuck. Her pussy does not feel good for some reason like its hard to get in there very deep. Pussy is not gripping the dick at all, yet check with fingers finds no obstruction. It is possible deep down they could be problem like stitched too tight since fingers can only reach 4 to 5 inches and dick is somewhat longer. Anyway my dick is not enjoying the feel (after some beautiful feeling fucks at SW and Doki Doki in earlier days and even a bargirl from Five Star). So naturally the dick is starting to sag and her looks are not that massively hot especially with big Bush to keep me excited. I am oldish now. Dick is quite insensitive. Things have to go right for me to enjoy, maybe not like when I was 35 YO. Soon realised there was no way the fuck with her was going to work, and she was not even moving her body like she wanted it.

So yet another poor session from Thermae. In truth I have managed to cum with some of my girls from last few years at the Thermae, certainly not all, but not one of them was good enough to ever consider repeating. So that's it. Can't see any reason to ever go to Thermae again. My success rate is just too poor. Basically batting zero for last few years in terms of being really satisfied and considering it not to be a waste of money. Its for a different sort of customer, young Asians I guess. Maybe they don't care if girls have weak experience, lack of skills, big Bush, etc. Or maybe the girls can perform a bit better. I am sure I have had a bad string of luck with my choices, but don't see how to rectify that. If girls were dancing nude on stage, under good lighting, like at some bars, I could choose way better. Maybe could choose better with a long interview process but I detect that the girls hate long discussions and too many questions, generally. They want to know pretty quick if you will take them. In a gogo bar, I can manage to have a very long consideration and interview process before BFing. It works better and I have a much better success rate. MPs can be hit and miss too if they have plenty of dud girls at the venue. So venue becomes important. Had plenty of dud girls in Soapies in recent years too, with the odd really good one.

So it must be me. I am put off girls easily, and dick just doesn't work with too much adversity. The condom of course is the start of the adversity but can be tolerated with top performing girls with really hot looks. Never was a problem with my favourite Crazy House girls, for example.

So my advice, if you are an older Farang with a non sensitive dick like me, and need things to be going pretty much right with girls ability, attitude, looks, and body, then Thermae is a very suspect hunting ground, where can get very inexperienced girls and with low skills. Did not find many "horny" girls from there. More interested in quick money mostly these days.

Later I took a regular bar girl (several times in last 2 years). She was real horny and claimed to have had no fuck for a while. She came extra fast from DATY within 2 minutes, as she claimed her pussy had been quite deprived lately. Never found her that difficult to cum, and always likes the DATY. Gave me a good BBBJ and also a tit fuck since her tits are big (has gained a little weight). Also her pussy is very beautiful to look at which is nice for me, not just for fucking. Her landing strip above is very short and smooth shaved round the sides of the pussy to above the clit level.

Time to give the dick a day off maybe now. To make sure I am really horny again.[/QUOTE]I gave up on Thermae years ago. Performance, attitude, and pricing, none of the three work for me. It's a great place to go for a laugh. You still see some characters in there, but it's an Asian bar now and has been for years. Paying close to or more than 100 USD for substandard performance? You got to be kidding me.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2373208]In reality they may not be, but that is how psychology works. Men always covet something they don't have or cannot get.[/QUOTE]The whole point of coming to Thailand was you could get just about anything you wanted at a very reasonable price. That's why so many of us moved here years ago. You didn't "covet," you just did.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2373188]They do with me.[/QUOTE]You must be willing to pay what the Asian dudes do. And what are your performance standards?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373862]You must be willing to pay what the Asian dudes do. And what are your performance standards?[/QUOTE]Performance standards? What is this the Olympics? I'm not hiring a professional, I'm hiring some chick to do what I want. So that's my standard. My back hurts too much? Climb on top and Ill tell you what to do next. Its all about me. I'm not looking for a girlfriend, or to fall in love, or even a regular as doing the same chick twice is a burden to me. This what I want, how much. No do. OK, extra XXXX? I do.

And I'm willing to pay whatever I, meaning me and me alone, think is reasonable, because I can. I'm not in this lovely country to spend my time obsessing about some hooker getting an extra $10 out of me. If she has the look I want, then I pay, simple as that. If she doesn't, then she isn't getting her chance. And I am mighty particular. Last night I popped into Thermae and the girls were waving at me to get my attention, probably because I am in there so much just chilling and having a soda and laughing at the foolish way folks act in there. But the ladies know it takes a special someone to get my attention.

And I have all the time in the world to get what I want. I'm not desperate and I surely look a lot better than most of the falangs I see in Thermae.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373857]The whole point of coming to Thailand was you could get just about anything you wanted at a very reasonable price. That's why so many of us moved here years ago. You didn't "covet," you just did.[/QUOTE]And now you don't. Boo hoo.

I was chatting with another BM about my very short trip to BKK last week. 3 days I shacked up with a girl I know from before, one I had met through TF. On Friday I went down to Thermae at around 11 pm and hung around for an hour watching the crowds milling about rehearsing for prom night. 5555. Then I went and approached a girl I liked and we were out in 15 minutes. She first started with 3 K ST. I said I only like to go LT. She said OK you take care of me. I nodded and we were out. I stayed at Shangri La, so it is quite ride back, but no complaints. Back in the room, no hassles with service. No rush. She stayed well into the day. When I was ready to leave for the airport around 1 pm she even wanted to come to see me off at the airport. I politely refused, kissed her and gave her the money and sent her on her way. And returned to SG in time for the F1 qualifiers.

Hey guys,

This is my first message on this forum. So I'm visiting Thailand in one month and Singapore after that for a longer time so I hope to provide good reports by then and RTFF.

So far I have read a lot of stuff so I already have my girl friendly hotels reserved, price ranges in mind and everything. The only thing I don't understand is the most stupid one, but from looking specially at those YouTube videos is. How the hell do you get a Gogo girl you like that is dancing on the stage? Am I supposed to smile, wink at them or do they have some kind of ID that I can tell to the mamasan to get them down and then pay the barfine? Really sorry for such a stupid question, but I don't seem to find a proper guide or explanation other than "you drink with a girl that you like, and if you want you pay the bar fine and take her with you".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2373621]This is the first time I have ever heard of a girl complaining of pain from DATY. That is virtually impossible unless you use your teeth.[/QUOTE]A girl I used to visit got fungi and told me clients doing DATY or just touching with their fingers was just painful as fuck, even though she enjoys it a lot.

[QUOTE=Whytho;2374211]Hey guys,

This is my first message on this forum. So I'm visiting Thailand in one month and Singapore after that for a longer time so I hope to provide good reports by then and RTFF.

So far I have read a lot of stuff so I already have my girl friendly hotels reserved, price ranges in mind and everything. The only thing I don't understand is the most stupid one, but from looking specially at those YouTube videos is. How the hell do you get a Gogo girl you like that is dancing on the stage? Am I supposed to smile, wink at them or do they have some kind of ID that I can tell to the mamasan to get them down and then pay the barfine? Really sorry for such a stupid question, but I don't seem to find a proper guide or explanation other than "you drink with a girl that you like, and if you want you pay the bar fine and take her with you".

A girl I used to visit got fungi and told me clients doing DATY or just touching with their fingers was just painful as fuck, even though she enjoys it a lot.[/QUOTE]Each girl has a small tag with a number on it, usually pinned to their bikini bottom. You can ask the mamasan to bring the girl to you by referring to the number or as you said, smile and she may come down. If you want to sit and talk with her, she may ask for a lady drink (she gets a commission). Or you can directly negotiate. The price will include a bar fine (upward of 600 baht) and the girl's fees (short time or long time), which varies among bars and also according to your negotiation skills. I have not been in BKK for a bit. So my guess is short time (1 hour) will be at least 2000 baht and long term upward of 3000 baht. Short term is usually one hour with one shot unless you negotiate; long time will be a few hours with at least a couple of shots. Some of them try to sneak out in 2-3 hours. Just watch out. You have a choice of taking her to a short time hotel or to your own hotel. Hope that helps!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373862]You must be willing to pay what the Asian dudes do. And what are your performance standards?[/QUOTE]I can only comment on one fairly in demand Thermae gal who goes almost exclusively with Japanese.

(I am sure I would be rejected by a certain percentage of gals on left hand side, because some never bother looking at me when I pass by, though the culture of the place is so weird these days. The girls try to act "demure" per Asian customer preferences).

Anyways. For the one gal I can comment on.

I pay her going rate with no haggling.

(which is 3 K short) . Once she stayed all night I gave her 5). She has told me she will raise prices on guys she doesn't really want to go with (but then has to go with them if they accept).

What she gets from me is nice treatment, even a BFE. She gets her orgasms.

What I get is BBFS, no clockwatching, a great tight snatch and a lovely mouth/ tongue that treats me with "special care" (cannot comment how it treats others).

[QUOTE=Catire;2374244]I can only comment on one fairly in demand Thermae gal who goes almost exclusively with Japanese.

(I am sure I would be rejected by a certain percentage of gals on left hand side, because some never bother looking at me when I pass by, though the culture of the place is so weird these days. The girls try to act "demure" per Asian customer preferences).

Anyways. For the one gal I can comment on.

I pay her going rate with no haggling.

(which is 3 K short) . Once she stayed all night I gave her 5). She has told me she will raise prices on guys she doesn't really want to go with (but then has to go with them if they accept).

What she gets from me is nice treatment, even a BFE. She gets her orgasms.

What I get is BBFS, no clockwatching, a great tight snatch and a lovely mouth/ tongue that treats me with "special care" (cannot comment how it treats others).[/QUOTE]3 K is going rate for short time for a Thermae girl?! You mean that's what Japanese pay?

[QUOTE=Crypton;2374265]3 K is going rate for short time for a Thermae girl?! You mean that's what Japanese pay?[/QUOTE]No that's what he pays. He probably doesn't care what anyone else pays. I surely don't.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2374096]And now you don't. Boo hoo.

I was chatting with another BM about my very short trip to BKK last week. 3 days I shacked up with a girl I know from before, one I had met through TF. On Friday I went down to Thermae at around 11 pm and hung around for an hour watching the crowds milling about rehearsing for prom night. 5555. Then I went and approached a girl I liked and we were out in 15 minutes. She first started with 3 K ST. I said I only like to go LT. She said OK you take care of me. I nodded and we were out. I stayed at Shangri La, so it is quite ride back, but no complaints. Back in the room, no hassles with service. No rush. She stayed well into the day. When I was ready to leave for the airport around 1 pm she even wanted to come to see me off at the airport. I politely refused, kissed her and gave her the money and sent her on her way. And returned to SG in time for the F1 qualifiers.[/QUOTE]Yes, and now you don't. That's the point. So what did you remit for LT? 5 k? 6 k? 7 k? Yes, all three amounts are quite a bit of money IMHO.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2373676]For those who laughed when I told my story about the time I fucked the midget from Soi Cowboy, here's a photo of a somewhat similar midget. What guy in his right mind wouldn't fuck that?[/QUOTE]Did you fuck that one as well?

If so well played.

Only five more to go.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2373918]Performance standards? What is this the Olympics? I'm not hiring a professional, I'm hiring some chick to do what I want. So that's my standard. My back hurts too much? Climb on top and Ill tell you what to do next. Its all about me. I'm not looking for a girlfriend, or to fall in love, or even a regular as doing the same chick twice is a burden to me. This what I want, how much. No do. OK, extra XXXX? I do.

And I'm willing to pay whatever I, meaning me and me alone, think is reasonable, because I can. I'm not in this lovely country to spend my time obsessing about some hooker getting an extra $10 out of me. If she has the look I want, then I pay, simple as that. If she doesn't, then she isn't getting her chance. And I am mighty particular. Last night I popped into Thermae and the girls were waving at me to get my attention, probably because I am in there so much just chilling and having a soda and laughing at the foolish way folks act in there. But the ladies know it takes a special someone to get my attention.

And I have all the time in the world to get what I want. I'm not desperate and I surely look a lot better than most of the falangs I see in Thermae.[/QUOTE]Who said anything about a GF? Performance standards? Of course. I expect the gal to be able to give a good BJ, be able to provide FS, monitor and adjust to my wants and needs. Those are performance standards. When the price was 12.50 - 25 USD, I didn't have high expectations, but for 100 USD? You "darn tootin'" I expect more, a lot more.

Believe me, no one is "special. " We are all Johns like any other.

Whose desperate? Those of us that live here really have all the time in the world. We also for the most part, have higher expectations and are not willing to pay what tourists and frequent visitors so, especially when on most occasions it will pale in comparison to what we used to have. And please, I moved over her in my early 30's, so I know what it is like to one of the "better looking" farangs in Thermae and mind you, that was back in the day when there were no Asian dudes. BTW, still weigh exactly the same as I did then and probably in even better shape.

There is one notable exception, and that is Palace GoGo in Pattaya. Was there this weekend and I can saw the lineup in there is the best I have ever seen in my 20 plus years of going to GoGos. 8's, 9's, and 10's abound. Just stunning. Place was packed and we were the only two non-Asians in the place.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2374344]There is one notable exception, and that is Palace GoGo in Pattaya. Was there this weekend and I can saw the lineup in there is the best I have ever seen in my 20 plus years of going to GoGos. 8's, 9's, and 10's abound. Just stunning. Place was packed and we were the only two non-Asians in the place.[/QUOTE]How much are they asking for short time in Palace?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2374344] ...

There is one notable exception, and that is Palace GoGo in Pattaya. Was there this weekend and I can saw the lineup in there is the best I have ever seen in my 20 plus years of going to GoGos. 8's, 9's, and 10's abound. Just stunning. Place was packed and we were the only two non-Asians in the place.[/QUOTE]That is quite a testimonial from you on the looks of those girls, Goatscrot. Would you say there were ten girls in Palace that ranked that high in looks? Twenty? Fifty?

Aside from how they looked, do you have any other first or second hand knowledge intel on those 8's, 9's and 10's with regard to asking prices, getting prices, level of service and so on? Did you take one? Did you get a vibe or a direct statement from any of them that they only go with Asian customers?

Hi guys,

This forum has been very helpful for mongering in Asia. I have been reading lot and have had good experience. But every now and then I feel like trying my own spot and see how good it is (and I got lucky this time). Finished clubbing at Insanity (about 3 am) and was heading home (towards Soi 1 via the Hospital road). At the bend there is Harmony Massage in a lane. Skip that and keep walking. You will see a 7 eleven and right next to it is a small lane. At this corner I saw a mature Thai lady with good boobs. So I approached her for massage and she said $400 for 1 HR (which is standard). She takes me to the shop in the back and up we go. Now the place is OK in terms of ambience, infrastructure etc. Typical cubicles with mattress on the floor and curtain on the door. Walls were 3/4. So I can hear what's happening in the back.

Anyways the massage started and it was a good massage (fair pressure etc but then I was not after a solid massage at 3 am [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] drunk). On the flip I can now see her pretty face and those nice set of boobs. Massage finished and she said done. And I was like hang on. The guy next door is having sex (I can hear it) and you are saying massage done. I didn't get up just stayed there and she figured I want more. So she starting pinching my chest and tickling. Well I said cool I will do the same to you and then slowly started the fun. First came the Nice DFK, lot of foreplay, hugging kissing etc and then boom boom. None of us had a shower before the massage so we didn't go for Oral (need certain hygiene for this). But it was a good session. All up for THB1500 (inclusive THB400 for the massage). I told her I will see her again on Wednesday and this time for same price I want body body and naked from the get go. She is happy with that.

Location: Intersection of Soi 11 and Havana Social.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2374339]Yes, and now you don't. That's the point. So what did you remit for LT? 5 k? 6 k? 7 k? Yes, all three amounts are quite a bit of money IMHO.[/QUOTE]I gave her 4 K. And for me that is really not yet "quite a bit of money". In comparison, the girl I shacked up with for 3 nights in a row, I gave her 5 K all in. I know there is no logic to this, but I get what I want, and that is all that matters to me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2374344]Believe me, no one is "special. " We are all Johns like any other.[/QUOTE]Sage advice. This is the one absolute truth every monger coming to Thailand must understand and accept.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2374344]Whose desperate? Those of us that live here really have all the time in the world. We also for the most part, have higher expectations and are not willing to pay what tourists and frequent visitors so, especially when on most occasions it will pale in comparison to what we used to have. And please, I moved over her in my early 30's, so I know what it is like to one of the "better looking" farangs in Thermae and mind you, that was back in the day when there were no Asian dudes. BTW, still weigh exactly the same as I did then and probably in even better shape.[/QUOTE]I think it is an assumption that frequent visitors are more desperate or have lower expectations than residents. There is no empirical evidence to this. As for paying more, naturally frequent visitors value their time more than the money they will fork out and hence are likely to pay more.

I envy you so much, 20 years back Thailand was paradise. And I am fortunate enough to have partaken during that golden era, although not as much as I did later in my life, as money came more easily and travel become more frequent. But for me, it still is a paradise, maybe a bit lesser than before but still so much better than some other places. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2374344]There is one notable exception, and that is Palace GoGo in Pattaya. Was there this weekend and I can saw the lineup in there is the best I have ever seen in my 20 plus years of going to GoGos. 8's, 9's, and 10's abound. Just stunning. Place was packed and we were the only two non-Asians in the place.[/QUOTE]Wait a minute! This goes totally against the grain of ET saying that one cannot find a single 8+ in all of Pattaya. I wonder how he is going to react. Oh wait. He already did.

[QUOTE=Whytho;2374211].......A girl I used to visit got fungi and told me clients doing DATY or just touching with their fingers was just painful as fuck, even though she enjoys it a lot.[/QUOTE]I would hope that such a girl would tell me before hand that she has a yeast infection. I would decline DATY. That can cause rashes and itching to the mouth.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2374436]Wait a minute! This goes totally against the grain of ET saying that one cannot find a single 8+ in all of Pattaya. I wonder how he is going to react. Oh wait. He already did.[/QUOTE]I believe I have said I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of P4P girls in Pattaya I would consider worth paying for sex. And I did accept that there could be a go-go bar or 5 where "top quality girls" in terms of looks work behind closed doors but mysteriously are just not seen by me walking from the bars with customers on their way to a hotel room.

Palace is no doubt one of those bars. And, who knows, maybe I would have to add two or three fingers on my other hand to account for the total of 8's, 9s and 10's Goatscrot saw in there recently.

Then again, whether I would pay money to have sex with them is irrelevant if they have no intention of going with a non Asian in the first place or providing Real Sex/True GFE to anyone for any price anyway. I will be interested to hear whatever Goatscrot has to say about either of those issues.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2374096]And now you don't. Boo hoo.

I was chatting with another BM about my very short trip to BKK last week. 3 days I shacked up with a girl I know from before, one I had met through TF. On Friday I went down to Thermae at around 11 pm and hung around for an hour watching the crowds milling about rehearsing for prom night. 5555. Then I went and approached a girl I liked and we were out in 15 minutes. She first started with 3 K ST. I said I only like to go LT. She said OK you take care of me. I nodded and we were out. I stayed at Shangri La, so it is quite ride back, but no complaints. Back in the room, no hassles with service. No rush. She stayed well into the day. When I was ready to leave for the airport around 1 pm she even wanted to come to see me off at the airport. I politely refused, kissed her and gave her the money and sent her on her way. And returned to SG in time for the F1 qualifiers.[/QUOTE]Good to read a positive report on a Thermae girl. I was beginning to worry about that place. I like freelancers and would like to visit it on my trip next year.

Forget about her cooking.

Have the bros ever found a Thai girl as pretty, lively, charming, eloquent as this girl Pailin?

Where in Bangkok or anywhere in Thailand?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_9rDq2gGmg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2374435]I think it is an assumption that frequent visitors are more desperate or have lower expectations than residents. There is no empirical evidence to this.[/QUOTE]Really. Well if you came here once a year, would you go back to your hotel 3 nights in a row without a companion. How about 5? If there was no adult scene, would, or it got too expensive, would you even come.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2374344]

There is one notable exception, and that is Palace GoGo in Pattaya. Was there this weekend and I can saw the lineup in there is the best I have ever seen in my 20 plus years of going to GoGos. 8's, 9's, and 10's abound. Just stunning. Place was packed and we were the only two non-Asians in the place.[/QUOTE]Goat,

Why so few Farangs? Girls hate Farangs, perform badly or not typical Farang spec. ?Very few Farangs in Rainbow 2 bar in Bangkok so I guess similar reasons. Not many girls were really my spec.

I would certainly frequent a bar with 10 point girls to my spec unless Farangs were not welcome really.

Do all the girls have surgeries or some natural beauties?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2225701]I've had her. She used a different name though. Or, rather, I've "booked" her as you did, through ThaiFriendly. About a month ago. She is notably older, heavier and thicker than her pics but not too objectionably so. Those pics are probably 5-6 years old, imo. Had a baby.

In our pre-booking discussion, BBFS was a no go and I told her that was fine if she would agree to BBBJ+CIM. She did agree to it, "no problem". 2000 (as I recall) for a leisurely, no hurry ST. Nicely shaved pussy. Said she likes and is fine with DATY. Fairly fluent in English.

She was pleasant on arrival, even early as I recall. She went on and on about how we could get together every now and then to go jogging at the nearby park, which is something we had in common anyway. But when we got down to it she still pulled out a condom and set it next to us. I asked why since we were only doing DATY and BBBJ+CIM. No answer, just a smile. She seemed to be rather indifferent to DATY. Mine at least. Ok. Then on to the BBBJ+CIM.

"no problem" turned into a big problem..[/QUOTE]ET did you met that girl again after your first encounter?

She texted me something a few days ago and I remembered that post from last year and it appears it's the same girl.

She said she can do a nice BJ and will swallow for short time if I take her.

I wonder if you trained her or if she finally understood how to do a "proper" BJ.

Or if she say that just to conclude the deal.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2374772]ET did you met that girl again after your first encounter?

She texted me something a few days ago and I remembered that post from last year and it appears it's the same girl.

She said she can do a nice BJ and will swallow for short time if I take her.

I wonder if you trained her or if she finally understood how to do a "proper" BJ.

Or if she say that just to conclude the deal.[/QUOTE]If she is now stating that she knows how and will give a proper BBBJ+CIM and Swallow, then she has definitely improved her game since I saw her. Or maybe she is just inspired to do for you what she seemed incapable or unwilling to do for me. That was a year ago.

No, I only saw her walking on my soi a few days after our session, chatted politely, but I never booked her again.

Could be only to close the deal. That was what I felt she'd done with me a year ago. If I were to book her again I would stress that if she did not complete the service as described this time I would give her no money at all, not even taxi fare. Simple as that. But that is because I have already experienced a bad session with her. I can't say every punter should set it up that way for their first session. After all, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2374703]Goat,

Why so few Farangs? Girls hate Farangs, perform badly or not typical Farang spec. ?Very few Farangs in Rainbow 2 bar in Bangkok so I guess similar reasons. Not many girls were really my spec.

I would certainly frequent a bar with 10 point girls to my spec unless Farangs were not welcome really.

Do all the girls have surgeries or some natural beauties?[/QUOTE]Truth be told, only the less desirable ones gave us the time of day. The rest are focused on the vast numbers of young Asian punters in the bar. Seems to be a set price and I would imagine that they don't have to "work" very hard to complete their job. The dudes looked like star struck teens looking at their first Playboy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2374350]That is quite a testimonial from you on the looks of those girls, Goatscrot. Would you say there were ten girls in Palace that ranked that high in looks? Twenty? Fifty?

Aside from how they looked, do you have any other first or second hand knowledge intel on those 8's, 9's and 10's with regard to asking prices, getting prices, level of service and so on? Did you take one? Did you get a vibe or a direct statement from any of them that they only go with Asian customers?[/QUOTE]I would say that 75% of the gals in the bar were way above average. The top 10% were just stunning. And I don't use that word often when talking about P4 P gals. I did not take one and I probably never will. My sneaking suspicion is that they would not provide the kind of intense GFE bordering on PSE that I like. If they did, I would gladly pay the certainly inflated prices. And yes, I got a vibe that most were only interested in Asian dudes. Similar vibe to current Thermae.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2374347]How much are they asking for short time in Palace?[/QUOTE]I believe the non-model gals are asking 3 k and the models go up from there.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2375063]Truth be told, only the less desirable ones gave us the time of day. The rest are focused on the vast numbers of young Asian punters in the bar. Seems to be a set price and I would imagine that they don't have to "work" very hard to complete their job. The dudes looked like star struck teens looking at their first Playboy.[/QUOTE]Other day I was in Bill Board and Diamonds. Billboard had a party happening. Caused girls to be over dressed like underwear models. Not many poor figures for girls on stage but only 2 or 3 I would call "pretty" for the face. A lot of faces are ordinary (or slightly above average) and really nose jobs don't help much or often hinder. Tits? Well one can't tell when girls are over dressed.

I then checked out Diamond (s). Girls were average maybe slightly below BB standard. A couple of topless girls had nice tits. That's all. An Asian guy seated in front of me was being shown a calculator and I believe they had typed 1500 plus 4500. Now 4500 can't be LT and 1500 can't be short time. I am guessing 1500 was for drinks and 4500 was all in price for BF and ST. Ha ha. I hope 1500 was not BF for a Coyote, but feasible. One certainly would not want to pay up front and then receive no service like I received no service from a Rainbow 2 girl (I suspect she wanted to Blow me only due to period. Not many BJs are good enough to really excite me. Needs an expert).

For ET:

At Shark in Cowboy all the coyote girls are BFable and may fuck for similar prices to the gogo girls. However Coyote BF is 1500 (a big risk). Difference can be spotted. Gogo girls have see through bra with nipples on display so can see how good the tits are. With Coyote girls no way to tell what tits are like with double layer bras. I never tried a Coyote in Shark as yet (probably due to 1500 BF), but last time one very pretty one was quite tempting (to take the huge gamble).

Just re-united with my tall skinny Lao girl regular "Tweetie Pie" (she has big eyes or seems that way), very sweet. She once worked in Orient where I got pulled in by her face. Don't know if anyone else here would recognise the tall skinny shape with slender waist. I pay her like an MP price, so it a lot cheaper than a bargirl and I know what I am getting, no restrictions although I don't try to have her ass (conservative girl sort of). She was horny (maybe no sex for weeks just returning to Bangkok from Laos) so popped in DATY in under 2 minutes. Another pop in cowgirl. Rode quite energetically with a variety of rhythms. She is quite passionate yet I am way older than her dad. Maybe its just I am nice to her and we can converse although she has zero English. I think she likes deep cock. has had a baby (no problem for me since tits small but not saggy). No rush at all. She needs me for regular money input badly. Pic gives an idea of her type of figure that is hot for me. Sorry about blurred rushed pic (I can't show good pics including the face). Seems to motivate her once she is in my room, but would like her to be more available (sometimes gets too busy with life's hassles). I feel having a collection of regular girls to choose from is an ideal option for getting a fair price, getting a known good performance, but having enough girls not to get bored. Lost my top performer regular from Soi 4 not long ago to a Farang Sponser. So sad as my regular list keeps shrinking. Fortunately I can do one girl several days running without getting bored, when pretty, hot and sexy.

I have not been able to find another as pretty girl in MPs in the last year or two, some merely quite nice looking. I enjoyed Doki Doki girl recently but was expensive. The exchange rate for my country is very poor too. Fortunately I get to work multiple countries.

Hard for me to understand how different my experience can be with my regulars and with say a Thermae girl. The difference is so vast. Its basically about being pretty, enthusiastic and pussy having a good feel. Still some girls can be really good on the first try (including my remaining regulars). It just seems to happen less and less as years go by.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375070]Other day I was in Bill Board and Diamonds. Billboard had a party happening. Caused girls to be over dressed like underwear models. Not many poor figures for girls on stage but only 2 or 3 I would call "pretty" for the face. A lot of faces are ordinary (or slightly above average) and really nose jobs don't help much or often hinder. Tits? Well one can't tell when girls are over dressed.[/QUOTE]Syzgies this is simply a very poor evaluation of Billboard last Saturday night. You must not have stayed long enough to really see many of the girls and I don't blame yo for that because it was way too crowded because of the 4 year anniversary party with free snack food. However for you to insinuate that the talent was not good is just bad information to be passing along to the members here. I'm sure most of the hot girls were busy grinding on someones lap.

I saw several girls who are hot as fuck. #10,23, 203,236 and 814 those are the ones I saw but they didn't last long on stage. I don't think many were being barfined because the barfines were double the normal rate of 750 and 1000. There were several other barfinable girls even by you're standards. Even the tub had at least 4 girls that looked good enough to barfine.

Now like I said I don't blame you for not hanging around because there were way too many dudes there for the 2 for one beers and cheap bar brand alcohol. However your report is very misleading about the talent level of the girls who were in the bar.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2375082]Syzgies this is simply a very poor evaluation of Billboard last Saturday night. You must not have stayed long enough to really see many of the girls and I don't blame yo for that because it was way too crowded because of the 4 year anniversary party with free snack food. However for you to insinuate that the talent was not good is just bad information to be passing along to the members here. I'm sure most of the hot girls were busy grinding on someones lap.
[/QUOTE]What I said was the figures looked good. Tits could not tell as were covered too much. Not many faces appealed to me that much but that is my difficult taste. I have always admitted that Billboard is the best bar in Nana in recent times. Some guys maybe in heaven who do not have such tough standards for the face. Plenty of quite broad noses and fake noses that just don't appeal to me that much. Lighting on the stage is poor for my challenged eyesight. That makes it hard for me to see the faces properly. I was not dazzled by it all, at all. Ha ha. Yes girls have fancy costumes and fancy makeup, but truly beautiful to stunning faces, not that many I am afraid. Maybe 3 on stage were interesting me. Yes plenty above average.

Sorry I am so tough to please. I do have fond memories of a really excellent girl from this bar but was two years ago. I have not BFed there recently so don't have a fair view of performances.

You want to refute me, then post some pics of your stunners would be a great way. Sure the girls are hot and sexy but really pretty for me, not many. Just my taste man. So many guys equate a young girl with a hot body to "Stunning" without worrying about the face much at all.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375070]...
I then checked out Diamond (s). Girls were average maybe slightly below BB standard. A couple of topless girls had nice tits. That's all. An Asian guy seated in front of me was being shown a calculator and I believe they had typed 1500 plus 4500. Now 4500 can't be LT and 1500 can't be short time. I am guessing 1500 was for drinks and 4500 was all in price for BF and ST. Ha ha. I hope 1500 was not BF for a Coyote, but feasible. One certainly would not want to pay up front and then receive no service like I received no service from a Rainbow 2 girl (I suspect she wanted to Blow me only due to period. Not many BJs are good enough to really excite me. Needs an expert).

For ET:

At Shark in Cowboy all the coyote girls are BFable and may fuck for similar prices to the gogo girls. However Coyote BF is 1500 (a big risk). Difference can be spotted. Gogo girls have see through bra with nipples on display so can see how good the tits are. With Coyote girls no way to tell what tits are like with double layer bras. I never tried a Coyote in Shark as yet (probably due to 1500 BF), but last time one very pretty one was quite tempting (to take the huge gamble).
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[/QUOTE]I would be inclined to think the 1,500 baht you saw on the calculator at Diamond Bar in Nana Plaza was for the barfine, same as for the Shark Bar Soi Cowboy Coyotes you mentioned. And the girl's quoted fee for ST was 3,000 baht, the total then being 4,500 baht.

I cannot say this is true in Soi Cowboy bars, but I have found the Nana Plaza girls whose barfine is the inflated 1,500 baht amount to be much more amenable to the kind of Real Sex/True GFE you know I am all about. I mean more amenable to agreeing to it upfront in the bar. Hense, the gamble or risk factor being less, but only if you broach the subject upfront in the bar before you agree to pay that inflated 1,500 baht barfine. I have no idea how paying that inflated barfine effects the outcome in a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" situation.

And I don't mean to imply there is a reliable consistency to the above premise. Just that in my experience the 1,500 baht barfine girls in Nana Plaza bars (generally referred to as "Special Girls" in Nana Plaza bars and as Barfineable "Coyotes" in Soi Cowboy bars, I believe) will tend to be more amenable to agreeing to my requirements in that regard than the regular, say, 700-800 baht barfine girls in Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2375082]Syzgies this is simply a very poor evaluation of Billboard last Saturday night. You must not have stayed long enough to really see many of the girls and I don't blame yo for that because it was way too crowded because of the 4 year anniversary party with free snack food. However for you to insinuate that the talent was not good is just bad information to be passing along to the members here. I'm sure most of the hot girls were busy grinding on someones lap.
[/QUOTE]What I said was the figures looked good. Tits could not tell as were covered too much. Not many faces appealed to me that much but that is my difficult taste. I have always admitted that Billboard is the best bar in Nana in recent times. Some guys maybe in heaven who do not have such tough standards for the face. Plenty of quite broad noses and fake noses that just don't appeal to me that much. Lighting on the stage is poor for my challenged eyesight. That makes it hard for me to see the faces properly. I was not dazzled by it all, at all. Ha ha. Yes girls have fancy costumes and fancy makeup, but truly beautiful to stunning faces, not that many I am afraid. Maybe 3 on stage were interesting me. Yes plenty above average.

Sorry I am so tough to please. I do have fond memories of a really excellent girl from this bar but was two years ago. I have not BFed there recently so don't have a fair view of performances.

You want to refute me, then post some pics of your stunners would be a great way. Sure the girls are hot and sexy but really pretty for me, not many. Just my taste man. So many guys equate a young girl with a hot body to "Stunning" without worrying about the face much at all.

P.S. Some girls' numbers that appealed to me were not necessarily the same as your numbers. We can all have a different taste. I like slim and slim face too. Round and flattish faces don't work for me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2375091]I would be inclined to think the 1,500 baht you saw on the calculator at Diamond Bar in Nana Plaza was for the barfine, same as for the Shark Bar Soi Cowboy Coyotes you mentioned. And the girl's quoted fee for ST was 3,000 baht, the total then being 4,500 baht.
[/QUOTE]I thought I saw a plus sign on calculator and both numbers appearing at same time, but its is just possible I was mistaken and your assessment is right. I forget if I saw a 6000 total come up or if they did not get to a final figure. I still think was a Plus, 80% but I must face that I am not certain. Happened quick. I still suspect 4500 for ST for newbie guy. Would not be a shock these days

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375089]What I said was the figures looked good. Tits could not tell as were covered too much. Not many faces appealed to me that much but that is my difficult taste. I have always admitted that Billboard is the best bar in Nana in recent times. Some guys maybe in heaven who do not have such tough standards for the face. Plenty of quite broad noses and fake noses that just don't appeal to me that much. Lighting on the stage is poor for my challenged eyesight. That makes it hard for me to see the faces properly. I was not dazzled by it all, at all. Ha ha. Yes girls have fancy costumes and fancy makeup, but truly beautiful to stunning faces, not that many I am afraid. Maybe 3 on stage were interesting me. Yes plenty above average.

Sorry I am so tough to please. I do have fond memories of a really excellent girl from this bar but was two years ago. I have not BFed there recently so don't have a fair view of performances.

You want to refute me, then post some pics of your stunners would be a great way. Sure the girls are hot and sexy but really pretty for me, not many. Just my taste man. So many guys equate a young girl with a hot body to "Stunning" without worrying about the face much at all.[/QUOTE]Yes, you have already made it clear at least 100 times that you will choose a girl with a small nose and mediocre skinny body over a girl with great tits and ass who has by far the best body in the bar.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2375132]Yes, you have already made it clear at least 100 times that you will choose a girl with a small nose and mediocre skinny body over a girl with great tits and ass who has by far the best body in the bar.[/QUOTE]Yes nearly all girls were in the slim / skinny category and some had great asses. Tits I would not know (well covered on the stage). I like a great body and a good face as well. Those that don't have finicky attitudes for the face will be in heaven.

Smoothy gave us a pic of Billboard girls previously, a group pic where could see the faces in good lighting. Only 1 or 2 of the girls were actually pretty (for the face), right? When asked we all picked the same girl to be the prettiest one, and she was not stunning either. The rest were a bit ordinary. That was probably quite representative, although its possible the standard of girls has improved further over that time. It amazes me however that girls can seem prettier when they are in very dim lighting. Last Saturday party night, even the girls in the bath area had tits covered when I was there. That was not a nice surprise.

Look, I still say Billboard has gotta be the best bar in Nana, for my taste. Suits Asians, Farangs and Indians, all types, excepting maybe if you like buxom girls then they are a bit scarce. If they had girls dancing nude, and improved the lighting a bit, I would be there often I am sure. I gave up Crazy House long ago due to its decline in standards.

This is almost a mongering report but not quite. I was not barfining tonight.

Went to Corner Bar because my ex favourite Crazy House waitress works in Corner Bar again. To be here, you have to be a guy who likes old time rock music (mainly), because they have a band playing suited to expats. In case you don't know, its on Cowboy corner with Asoke opposite Country Road.

They have several hostesses, more than a dozen I think and these girls are bar-fineable. One very tall post-op LB as well, and LBs are getting so common even in cowboy these days. 5 Star, as example, has a posse of post-ops (in addition to naked dancing girls) who only seem to pester the Asian customers. In Corner bar was the same. The ladyboy went to Asian customers.

The band before midnight specialised in heavy metal and heavy rock, e. G. Deep Purple, Van Halen, AC / DC, Jimmy Barnes covers, even some Pink Floyd though and someone requested Zombie. Dolores O'Riordan (The Cranberries). The guitar players were okay If a bit too loud. The singers were pretty woeful for pitch and diction, and gave the impression of yelling a bit more than singing. So while I may have liked the song (with original artists) I did not like the rendition. The entire band wore hats a bit like AC / DC used to hide their faces a bit (or because its cold or trying to be cool).

The band after midnight was a contrast and vastly more superior to my ear. The volume of the band was reduced a little, and singers had much more pitch ability, the young guy singer clearly was a top English speaker (became intelligible). He even had a pretty good attempt at Bohemian Rhapsody. So chalk and cheese. I won't bother to turn up till nearly midnight next visit, so I can get the good band of the two. Strangely this band largely did not wear hats.

If you don't care about sound quality, the yelling and screaming band before midnight maybe okay Some customers liked it. Wasn't worse than what I experienced once in Soi 7/1, perhaps was "Bangkok Beat" where band was so awful when I went there.

The hostesses, other than mine (short with good sized tits) were largely skinny types with almost no tits (the ones nearby that I saw), however I found a couple of them quite pleasant to look at. Met the mamasan "Taa" who seemed a very nice lady, where some other bars have awful mamasans. My hostess apparently has quit from KazyKozy due to being unable to get on with the gay mamas an (or papas an if you prefer. But Thais would call a gay man a mamasan even if not a ladyboy) at Kazy who seemed to be a quite annoying type when I had been there, in terms of being and uncalled for nuisance to farang customers than may not really wish to have to deal with over the top gays, or any mamasans for that matter.

So yes I would go back for a bit of fun, but not really before midnight I think is better. May BF next time. Drank too much alcohol today, and had a good encounter earlier so did not need a fuck.

The band I used to prefer in Bangkok was the Filipine band at Check Inn99 but long gone now. They had 4 quality girl singers, and one guy soso for singing.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375070]At Shark in Cowboy all the coyote girls are BFable and may fuck for similar prices to the gogo girls. [/QUOTE]I guess it was April 17th when I payed three ladydrinks to a most beautiful girl in Shark. Then I found out that she was a Coyote. She was not barfineable. Mamasan confirmed. I left. So beware. In Tilac all Coyotes were barfineable but god knows why they are coyotes. Most of them are not very pretty. Just an opportunity to ask higher prices. I liked Tilac to drink with some ladies. Music isn't too loud.

Are you saying that the waitress staff is bar fineable at a certain time or any time? Wondering if this place attracts FL's like the old Bangkok Beat or any of the dancers and coyotes after they leave their work on Soi Cowboy. If so, what is BF? I have been to Country Road but did not like their house band plus the action, at least before midnight, is woeful. LB's appear to be everywhere now. It's a plague!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375233]This is almost a mongering report but not quite. I was not barfining tonight.

Went to Corner Bar because my ex favourite Crazy House waitress works in Corner Bar again. To be here, you have to be a guy who likes old time rock music (mainly), because they have a band playing suited to expats. In case you don't know, its on Cowboy corner with Asoke opposite Country Road.

They have several hostesses, more than a dozen I think and these girls are bar-fineable. One very tall post-op LB as well, and LBs are getting so common even in cowboy these days. 5 Star, as example, has a posse of post-ops (in addition to naked dancing girls) who only seem to pester the Asian customers. In Corner bar was the same. The ladyboy went to Asian.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375233]
The band I used to prefer in Bangkok was the Filipine band at Check Inn99 but long gone now. They had 4 quality girl singers, and one guy soso for singing.[/QUOTE]The Philippines are known for their quality cover bands. It is a national industry. At City of Dreams Casino in Manila, 5 or 6 different cover bands rotate sets all night long. I find it very enjoyable to relax at the bar there, have dinner, and take in the scene after a session with a hot MNL girl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2375132]Yes, you have already made it clear at least 100 times that you will choose a girl with a small nose and mediocre skinny body over a girl with great tits and ass who has by far the best body in the bar.[/QUOTE]Thats not the only thing that gets repeated ad nauseum. Too bad, there used to be useful info on here.

Note to visitors and newbies: Despite the longwinded critique about live bands in the Nana / Cowboy areas, here is the real picture.

They suck. They all suck. If your idea of fun is hanging around a steamy sweaty bar loaded with drunken Yobs listening to some kid from Laos rote singing the words to Smoke on the Water then by all means go for it. But flying 10000 miles for garage bands that isn't as good as the one in the strip joint outside an Okie tuck stop isn't my idea of fun, and I doubt its yours, unless so are so bored with the nightlife that you need to deaden yourself.

Thays not to say that there isn't good music, but you are in Thailand, go to a Thai place. Those aren't in the faranag ghetto though. Some folks need to get out of there.

Here is another Thermae report for you newbies, valid up to Sept 26. Tues, Weds and Thurs are the nights I prefer, less crowded. The Chinese have been scarce, but Golden Week is coming so next week is going to suck, crowd wise. There have been some very young looking girls there, usually they being watched / trained / covered by one of the formal / informal Mamasans conveniently scattered in the crowd. If you know what's up in the place, you know the ladies I mean.

I actually almost took a young lady oout on Wed, but some scared Japanese kid got to her first. I should have waited around, he could have drilled my pilothole LOL. So I wandered over to Soi 7/1 and snagged me a DSL coming out of the Wood Bar. Excellent. Then some Mango sticky at my local, and sleep.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2374350]That is quite a testimonial from you on the looks of those girls, Goatscrot. Would you say there were ten girls in Palace that ranked that high in looks? Twenty? Fifty?

Aside from how they looked, do you have any other first or second hand knowledge intel on those 8's, 9's and 10's with regard to asking prices, getting prices, level of service and so on? Did you take one? Did you get a vibe or a direct statement from any of them that they only go with Asian customers?[/QUOTE]Sorry for the noob like question but not a Bangkok expert. Where is "palace" and does it have a more complete name. Google is not helpful. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2375304]Sorry for the noob like question but not a Bangkok expert. Where is "palace" and does it have a more complete name. Google is not helpful. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Palace go-go bar is not in Bangkok. It is on Walking Street in Pattaya. There was a small flurry of conversation about it on this thread because Goatscrot mentioned it a couple of times as having one of the best lineups he'd seen anywhere in Thailand for the past 20 years, 8's, 9's and 10's abounding. That was notable enough to spend at least a little time with it here in the wrong thread. I think if I'd seen such a sight in a Bangkok go-go bar I might have automatically assumed there was some kind of photo-op, promotion or special event going on where non barfinable models had been hired for the evening just for show and to hustle Lady Drinks, No Touch, No Barfine, No Sex allowed. Therefore, to have someone as discerning as Goatscrot say that about a Pattaya go-go bar was quite notable.

Of course, if and that could be a big IF (don't know from first hand knowledge) those 8's, 9's, and 10's in that particular Pattaya go-go bar don't go with non Asians and don't provide what I consider Real Sex/True GFE, which for me is essentially either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM, then in my case and perhaps many others they might as well be those kind of no sex models only for show and to hustle Lady Drinks.

Can someone please send me some contacts of girls whi provide good service. I am in Bangkok today and free and want to have great time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375096]I thought I saw a plus sign on calculator and both numbers appearing at same time, but its is just possible I was mistaken and your assessment is right. I forget if I saw a 6000 total come up or if they did not get to a final figure. I still think was a Plus, 80% but I must face that I am not certain. Happened quick. I still suspect 4500 for ST for newbie guy. Would not be a shock these days[/QUOTE]I should add that in my experience it is a snap to get the "Special Girls" who require the inflated 1,500 baht barfine in Nana Plaza go-go bars to come down on their 3,000 baht asking price. The barfine might be 1,500 baht but it is not all that unusual for me to get the girl to agree to 2,000 baht for her, 2,500 baht at the most. Either they are well aware that paying 4,500 baht total for a ST will drive away too many paying customers or they will get a cut of that barfine so as to offset a lessor asking price. Or, as I have suggested on this subject here before, there is a prestige value for them to remain on that "Special Girls" list.

Yes, most of the "Special Girls" with that inflated barfine cost are younger, baby-free and better looking. But if part of the reason a girl qualifies for the "Special Girls" list is because she closes more barfine agreements with customers, gets more repeat customers to return to the bar to buy drinks and take her again and never gets a complaint, then imo that goes a long way to explaining why they have been more inclined to agree upfront to providing me with the kind of Real Sex/True GFE I negotiate for in the bar. And for generally no more or not much more of a total cost then I would pay for a much less rewarding session with a 700-800 baht barfine "regular" girl.

Far from being put off or spooked by it, whenever I hear a Nana Plaza go-go girl who is sitting with me is one of those "Special Girls" for whom a 1,500 baht barfine is required rather than the usual 700-800 baht barfine, my interest in negotiating upfront with her in the bar is very much increased and more likely than not to produce the result I want.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2375253]Are you saying that the waitress staff is bar fineable at a certain time or any time? Wondering if this place attracts FL's like the old Bangkok Beat or any of the dancers and coyotes after they leave their work on Soi Cowboy. If so, what is BF? I have been to Country Road but did not like their house band plus the action, at least before midnight, is woeful. LB's appear to be everywhere now. It's a plague![/QUOTE]I don't think gogo dancers and Coyotes are going to go there (unless you take them there yourself), and quality of the bands varies from mediocre to woeful. Lets face it, they could probably get a better gig elsewhere if they were really good, but even the filippino band I mentioned was not able to pull even people every night in the end. They might have been more successful in Cowboy but there are rif raf customers to put up with.

I am not intending to advertise this place, more so to say if you want go to listen to the music in this Corner Bar, definitely after Midnight. Just too shitty before that IMHO. You can take your girl from some other bar in there or can see if any hostesses appeal. Definitely some very skinny girls in there. It maybe that girl attitudes in there can be better than some other bars, but girls may believe their bodies are not good enough to work a gogo or too shy. Drinks seemed to be 180 Baht, to cover the entertainment etc.

Yes Hostess girls can be barfined, I doubt there is a certain time. Without the hostess girls to augment the band, the venue would probably not work although had a pool table too. I have not been in Country Road, in recent memory. Scared they would have Country and Western music which I really hate. Perhaps not.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2375371]
Far from being put off or spooked by it, whenever I hear a Nana Plaza go-go girl who is sitting with me is one of those "Special Girls" for whom a 1,500 baht barfine is required rather than the usual 700-800 baht barfine, my interest in negotiating upfront with her in the bar is very much increased and more likely than not to produce the result I want.[/QUOTE]I have not been taking these 1500 Baht BF girls. Why do think negotiation goes better? Can it be because they get fewer customers willing to stump up the 1500 BF?

My favourite scenario remains a no negotiation, where a price was not even stated which still happens these days (believe it or not), little fucking chance if a mamasan arrives. Easy for me without asking for special requirements. I just want a girl who is really into Farang dick. I am willing to give a girl a little bonus if she was great (which means well above average). I am nearly allergic to mamasans, and believe any negotiations with girl are likely to go worse, once a mamasan arrives. Busy body mamasans really put me off. I just want them to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off mostly. There are exceptions of course. A good experienced girl can negotiate on her own if she needs to.

Sex with condom is still working for me with some girls, if right fit and they move right, but not all girls, and for a new girl that is very hard to predict. So I do understand why guys might be negotiating for BBFS up front. I let a regular bargirl go recently (made the decision to drop her from regular list) purely because condom was not working for me any more with this particular pussy (a bit looser than average). An extra tight pussy can also be a problem for me if has wrong feel and condom is needed. A dick not 100% hard can go in much easier with no condom, and then can grow harder as the fuck progresses, feeling is right. That is my experience. No condom is also way better for feeling with long duration sex and one of my regulars expects good stamina from me to last quite an extended time.

At Billboard anniversary party was tough for me to spot stunners under poor lighting. Rather than debating just how many were stunners or really pretty, and there are some, it is easier for guys to go look at some example pics and apply their own preferences.

[URL]https://twitter.com/billboard_bkk?lang=en[/URL]

For me the girl with the single ponytail is stunning on twitter, and some others are quite pretty. Girl with brown hair and blue eyes looks good and another. Just my taste. If I had seen this girl with the ponytail I would have tried to get her, little doubt. The best girls could have been taken after 9 PM when I visited.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375450][URL]https://twitter.com/billboard_bkk?lang=en[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks for the link.

Has anyone spent time with the pinup girl that features in all the banners with the blue eyes?

I'm still burning after my bad experience with a girl from there, however they sure do have some talent.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375450]At Billboard anniversary party was tough for me to spot stunners under poor lighting. Rather than debating just how many were stunners or really pretty, and there are some, it is easier for guys to go look at some example pics and apply their own preferences.

[URL]https://twitter.com/billboard_bkk?lang=en[/URL]

For me the girl with the single ponytail is stunning on twitter, and some others are quite pretty. Girl with brown hair and blue eyes looks good and another. Just my taste. If I had seen this girl with the ponytail I would have tried to get her, little doubt. The best girls could have been taken after 9 PM when I visited.[/QUOTE]The best girls were taken after 9 pm when you visited? I'm not sure what you mean by that. So when you were there, all of the best girls were still there?

If one of "the best girls" is not in the bar at the time, one will likely be returning soon from doing a short time with a customer. Regardless, there isn't a single girl in those photos that I would not fuck. There are definitely some girls working at Billboard I would not fuck, but they are not in those photos. Would I like to fuck the girl with the pony tail? Sure. (she's a little flat chested for my taste, but she's a pretty girl) But if she wasn't around, I wouldn't hesitate taking any one of about 10 of those other girls. Then I can look for the pony tail chick a different night if I want. I care more about going with the flow and enjoying the experience each night rather than fretting about getting the one particular girl I consider to be the best of the best every night. Would I like the best of the best? Of course. If there is a girl I like but she is with another guy, I will note her number and get her a different night, but I will still take a different chick home. I will just hook up with the best available girl who happens to catch my eye that night.

The girl with the blue / green contacts has the face of a porn star. Very photogenic face.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2374302]No that's what he pays. He probably doesn't care what anyone else pays. I surely don't.[/QUOTE]I'm well aware that the going rate is more like 2. 5 K If you haggle on the right hand side with a scraggler, maybe you will get 2 K.

I paid her 3 K the first time because I wanted to try it out and it turned out well enough that when I return, I don't mind paying her going rate.

That make sense to you? Typically speaking, I almost never overpay what the going rate would be. In her case I made an exception and I got lucky. Wouldn't necessarily do it again with another. (unless she really really got my curiosity going for whatever reason).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375233]The band before midnight specialised in heavy metal and heavy rock, e. G. Deep Purple, Van Halen, AC / DC, Jimmy Barnes covers, even some Pink Floyd though and someone requested Zombie. Dolores O'Riordan (The Cranberries). The guitar players were okay If a bit too loud. The singers were pretty woeful for pitch and diction, and gave the impression of yelling a bit more than singing. So while I may have liked the song (with original artists) I did not like the rendition. The entire band wore hats a bit like AC / DC used to hide their faces a bit (or because its cold or trying to be cool).

The band after midnight was a contrast and vastly more superior to my ear. The volume of the band was reduced a little, and singers had much more pitch ability, the young guy singer clearly was a top English speaker (became intelligible). He even had a pretty good attempt at Bohemian Rhapsody. So chalk and cheese. I won't bother to turn up till nearly midnight next visit, so I can get the good band of the two. Strangely this band largely did not wear hats.

If you don't care about sound quality, the yelling and screaming band before midnight maybe okay Some customers liked it. Wasn't worse than what I experienced once in Soi 7/1, perhaps was "Bangkok Beat" where band was so awful when I went there.[/QUOTE]A rather unusual report from you Syz, but quite nice to see a report that did not focus on your regular rant about the type of girls you like, nose jobs etc. I always read your reports with great interest. Very few have the stamina on reporting the Bangkok mongers nightlife like you. Thanks for valuable info in numerous reports. Thai rock cover bands can be very bad, I agree. But there are some real good ones to be found. They can not compare with the excellent Philippine bands that plays the venues in Wanchai bars in Hong Kong and Singapore bars and nightclubs, but Hillary 4 (or was it 3.) also have good Philippine bands sometime. Philippine cover bands are world class! The best rock cover band in Thailand I have found in Witherspoon Sports Bar in Soi Buakow in Pattaya. Excellent skills and plays rock covers almost 100% perfect. Let's face it; most people can not tell a good band from a bad. They are drunk and happy and focus on the other sex. Not the music. But some times you just want to indulge in the music, if the band is good. If not, it is just a pain in the ass.

I was in BKK last week and experienced various services available to one looking for a bit of fun.

Firstly I'd like to say that Tinder is a pretty good way to get in touch with FL girls if you don't want to go out and can't be ass going through the bar, thermae thing. In past years I've probably met more normal girls on Tinder, I did meet one girl -more on that later, but now it seems to be nearly exclusively working girls. I was in touch with some really hot girls that didn't work out, including a woman from Kenya who looked amazing and I really wanted to fuck. Hopefully she'll be there next time.

So my first stop was a Freelancer who I met on tinder last time I was in BKK but didn't manage to hook up with the last time. She came to my hotel on Soi 22, really short girl, good looking, late 20's and claimed she had the best ass in BKK! I wouldn't argue to be honest, very sexy little thing and good service, BBBJ which was not mind blowing, but great GFE sex in various positions, and finished doggy staring at her great ass. 2000 baht, very cool woman, would repeat.

Later that night I went cruising, walked all around Soi 4, saw some very good looking women but no one who took my fancy. Walking around near Nana BTS I saw some really hot black women hanging around those outside bar cart things, one of whom was early 20's and beautiful, I hesitated, walked on, changed my mind and went back for her 3 minutes later only to find she was already gone, agrah!

I then went on to Thermae. I always find it pretty absurd in there, it's just too much, too many girls, too many mongers walking around, weird super market vibe. There are some very very attractive women in there, I did do the round twice, and chatted to a few girls, early 20's and hot. The ones I spoke to were asking for 2500 - 3500 but I didn't like having to negotiate with so many other girls and mongers literally listening in on the conversation.

Went back to hotel and ordered take in again, from Smooci this time. Jubliee arrived one hour later dressed to kill, serious babe this one. She was dressed up in a black night dress, great body, curvy, big naturals, and super slutty looking in the best possible way. 2 shots in an hour, I paid 4000 for two hours but literally couldn't fuck anymore. Great BBBJ, GFE with lots of passionate kissing and sex in many positions. Third time now using Smooci and every time it's been great service, it's a little on the expensive side but I really like the fact you can see what services the girls provide and a rating system. Would repeat.

The next day I hooked up with an old flame who I also met a few years ago on Tinder, an early 30's hot MILF from BKK who does massages in one of BKK's higher scale hotels. She has a boyfriend now but was more than happy to come and spend the night with me at my hotel. Amazing sex and great company. God I love Thai women!

Next day was a busy one and wore me out! Morning session with the old flame, walked her to the BTS and came back to hotel for a little rest. Around midday I decided to check one of the BJ bars, I walked passed Kasalong but the girls outside were pretty damn average. I have been to Kasalong a few times and had great experiences but I thought I'd try something different so I went to try the Wood Bar. I was greeted by a 20's something tallish thin woman, who I believe called herself Anna. She is a 'consultant' which basically means hotter than some of the other girls and more expensive. Paid the mamasan 1000 baht, and went upstairs with her into a relatively nice room, washed up and sat down on a pretty comfy reclining chair. Anna proceeded to work it in every which way, great technique although maybe a little too quick for my taste. She alternated her skillful mouth work with some amazing HJ, including using some nuru gel to great effect. She then started blowing me again deep throat and I blew in her mouth.

Later that day I had a date with a normie I met on Tinder. Nice girl, spoke good English and we had some nice chats. I asked her back to the hotel after walking around a bit and getting something to eat but she played coy and acted a little shocked. We parted ways but I was to meet up with her later.

I wanted something nasty, so I went to Snow White. Big mistake! I have had a few really good experiences there before but this time it was just horrible. My fault entirely, I picked a dud, I don't know why, but when the girls lined up I fixed on this short MILF type who I thought looked like she's be a great fuck, pretty sure her name was Bee Bee. I should have taken more time. As soon as we started going upstairs I realized I'd made a mistake. She wasn't very attractive, and didn't give great service. BBBJ not great, too much teeth, and I couldn't bring myself to fuck her. She ended up rimming me while I wanked and it ended up being OK I guess. I think I paid 1800 baht.

Get back to the hotel and my Tinder date starts texting saying she wants to come over, hahahaha, how could I refuse? Ended up having pretty good sex with this girl even though I was pretty much worn out. She was on the round side, which I like, and although she was a little shy I really enjoyed the session.

She left and it being my last night and all, I just felt I had one more shot left in me. Got back on tinder and matched with a really cute 22 year old, punky style, nose ring and tattoos, small tight body and slutty smile. She came over an hour later, great girl, super cool and friendly, and good service. GFE, although average BBBJ, we fucked in various positions, which I enjoyed a lot, blew covered inside her doggy style. 2500 Baht.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2374854]If she is now stating that she knows how and will give a proper BBBJ+CIM and Swallow, then she has definitely improved her game since I saw her. Or maybe she is just inspired to do for you what she seemed incapable or unwilling to do for me. That was a year ago.

No, I only saw her walking on my soi a few days after our session, chatted politely, but I never booked her again.

Could be only to close the deal. That was what I felt she'd done with me a year ago.[/QUOTE]I was chatting only a few words with her when she told me this. I believe it's part of her speech now, maybe she does it for real, I don't know. She seems to be a bit quick to get upset also.

Anyway I've lost interest with her since I linked her with your experience from last year.

She said that she worked in a massage shop before but didn't want to name the shop.

She looks very much like a girl that had a picture on the Hana massage website (soi33), I don't know if that place is still open or not.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2375600] Let's face it; most people can not tell a good band from a bad. They are drunk and happy and focus on the other sex. Not the music. But some times you just want to indulge in the music, if the band is good. If not, it is just a pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]Yes. Not to mention the "tone deaf" customers. Thais have been used to singers with bad pitch for 30 years (of my experience). The Thai stars that sing on TV only have to look good, they don't really have to have singing ability. e.g. a Thai would say her favourite male singer was "Jay Jeterin" who to my ear was absolutely pathetic. I noticed this 30 years ago, but western world is starting to go that way a bit, where the video became more important than the sound. That is why I said some people could enjoy the band of yellers before midnight. To a musician though, quite crappy singers and crappy sound balance, but okay Guitar playing.

Philippine bands seem to be expected to have a much higher standard.

[QUOTE=AkkDynamite;2375353]Can someone please send me some contacts of girls whi provide good service. I am in Bangkok today and free and want to have great time.[/QUOTE]The best ones are on streets surrounding Sanam Luang after midnight. Head on over there at about 11 pm, its a short walk from the MRT.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375805]Yes. Not to mention the "tone deaf" customers. Thais have been used to singers with bad pitch for 30 years (of my experience). The Thai stars that sing on TV only have to look good, they don't really have to have singing ability. e.g. a Thai would say her favourite male singer was "Jay Jeterin" who to my ear was absolutely pathetic. I noticed this 30 years ago, but western world is starting to go that way a bit, where the video became more important than the sound. That is why I said some people could enjoy the band of yellers before midnight. To a musician though, quite crappy singers and crappy sound balance, but okay Guitar playing.

Philippine bands seem to be expected to have a much higher standard.[/QUOTE]Well said. I agree with Sygies' analysis of the local music scene in BKK.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375805]Yes. Not to mention the "tone deaf" customers. Thais have been used to singers with bad pitch for 30 years (of my experience). The Thai stars that sing on TV only have to look good, they don't really have to have singing ability. e.g. a Thai would say her favourite male singer was "Jay Jeterin" who to my ear was absolutely pathetic. I noticed this 30 years ago, but western world is starting to go that way a bit, where the video became more important than the sound. That is why I said some people could enjoy the band of yellers before midnight. To a musician though, quite crappy singers and crappy sound balance, but okay Guitar playing.

Philippine bands seem to be expected to have a much higher standard.[/QUOTE]If you want to hear cover bands play western music, the Philippines are the best at that with the Indonesians not far behind. Thais are not good at that. If you want original music rather than cover band music, Indonesia is the best of the three.

Thai music is quite unique. I think some of that Isaan music is awesome. They don't sing well in most of those songs, but they are fun. I love it when they play Isaan dance music in the gogos because the girls normally go wild during those songs. My brother is married to a Thai woman and she hates that Isaan music, she prefers Thai music like Palmy. But I can hear that style of music anywhere, so I prefer that Isaan music.

The worst singers are American rappers. They can't sing a note. Zero talent in my opinion.

Today I just happened to be passing Thermae. Outside a girl was sizzling hot and pretty, dressed very tight to show off her tits and fab body, not the usual conservative stuff. Was 8. 30 Pm and she was just heading to the stairs to enter Thermae. My god I was tempted to go right after her. However a little voice in my head was saying "Syzy, don't waste your money yet again, she probably does not even like Farangs". Hottest girl I have seen at Thermae in a very long time (however of course I have not been there much and certainly not this early).

I agree with the other poster that it is hard to interview girls inside standing next to all their friends. "Can you give me deep tongue kissing, deep throat, and BBFS with CIP please, or at least CIM as a minimum?" I suppose one could whisper. "Do you like Farang cock and how many farangs have you fucked recently?" Ha ha. In fact I never tried asking girls in there anything quite so explicit. I put things more nicely.

I forced myself to move on without even going inside for another look. I am sworn off this place. Stopped in LB Pharmacy to buy a couple of things, and then thought it is a long while since I passed the BJ shops. So traversed Lolytas and Kasilong. 3 girls sitting outside the former. One was almost a pass, but not good enough to be fuckable. Kasilong had about 5 or 6 girls outside, not one was even slightly good looking, so did not give any further thought. I am crazy maybe. Need a good face even for a BJ, and preferably a hot ass too.

Now my Soi 4 girl is gone and reportedly pregnant (not to me I think), however today was surprised. At early time on Saturday night, before many regulars even arrived, I found 3 girls good looking enough to consider. First one seemed to have really great looking tits lightly covered, possibly fake, but if so an excellent job. Her face was a bit white from makeup and deadpan. Ended up picking a girl at Nana Hotel drive corner of Hooters. Name Mai from Bangkok. My usual formula. Quite tall at least 5 foot 6 wearing cut off jean shorts showing just a little ass, and tight top, skinny, smallish real tits, and no hint of being a ladyboy whatsoever despite the height. No surgeries of course. Expression on the face has to be right though. Nice ass once clothes came off. Quite a few tats on her back. In fact my last 3 Soi 4 girls have all been tall and slim.

Was not quite the same GFE as my previous regular Naam, but fairly promising for a "first date". Has a baby already but I could not tell. Pussy feeling was very nice indeed (not all pussies feel great to me). Depends on size of pussy and whether it grips the dick at all, and fits cock for whole length. She tolerated DATY for a while but was not getting into it, as most girls usually do. Her BBBJ was really good, slow soft and with great ball tickling. I played with her pussy at same time. However she seemed to get horny during the fucking and eventually started to touch herself around the clit area, started gyrating a bit and moaning (yes could be acting but it was not there immediately from the start). My conclusion is she does like Farang cock okay. Normally I have difficulty to cum, but not really tonight.

Yes will repeat and will incentivise for a bit more GFE next time. Much cheaper than a Thermae girl and better experience than what I usually get at Thermae. Hopefully nice tongue kissing will be possible. She seemed to know Naam and other girls I know on the Soi. Working part time as supposedly a student of accounting, but now is term break.

I like meeting girls outside on the street, even at night I can see their looks far better than in a dim bar like Billboard or even in the strange lighting of Thermae that makes girls look a bit better than they will look back at the Hotel room somehow. Not sure is low light or light of a strange colouring at Thermae. Perhaps yellowish light.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375923]Today I just happened to be passing Thermae. Outside a girl was sizzling hot and pretty, dressed very tight to show off her tits and fab body, not the usual conservative stuff. Was 8. 30 Pm and she was just heading to the stairs to enter Thermae. My god I was tempted to go right after her. However a little voice in my head was saying "Syzy, don't waste your money yet again, she probably does not even like Farangs". Hottest girl I have seen at Thermae in a very long time (however of course I have not been there much and certainly not this early).

I agree with the other poster that it is hard to interview girls inside standing next to all their friends. "Can you give me deep tongue kissing, deep throat, and BBFS with CIP please, or at least CIM as a minimum?" I suppose one could whisper. "Do you like Farang cock and how many farangs have you fucked recently?" Ha ha. In fact I never tried asking girls in there anything quite so explicit. I put things more nicely.

I forced myself to move on without even going inside for another look. I am sworn off this place. Stopped in LB Pharmacy to buy a couple of things, and then thought it is a long while since I passed the BJ shops. So traversed Lolytas and Kasilong. 3 girls sitting outside the former. One was almost a pass, but not good enough to be fuckable. Kasilong had about 5 or 6 girls outside, not one was even slightly good looking, so did not give any further thought. I am crazy maybe. Need a good face even for a BJ, and preferably a hot ass too..[/QUOTE]Could there be an uptick in the quality when rents are due near end of month, girls not seen rest of time? Less stigma than walking street.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375923]Today I just happened to be passing Thermae.[/QUOTE]A report! The celestial bodies must be aligned, or someone has hacked your account.

Please expand on (a) distance between top of thighs (b) nose shape (c) her preference in instant coffee (d) whether she was low-carb organic gluten free and isotonic.

The Nana girls are dogs all the time. Just coincidentally, I was walking through there on Saturday night and they were more horrid than usual. I consider the streetwalkers in that area to be the dregs, and the guys that pick them up either don't know any better, can't afford any better, or are just blind, desperate or so hideous themselves that that's the best they can do. To be fair, the ones by the car park you can at least look at without vomiting. Start heading down the street and watching them deteriorate into simple lumps of two-legged ugliness.

Turn a does seem to get a bit more crowded at the end of the month and you'll find more part-timers there. Since the girls pay the club to be there, I assume that for many girls, it's not worth it to be there for only a night or so.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2375932]Could there be an uptick in the quality when rents are due near end of month, girls not seen rest of time? Less stigma than walking street.[/QUOTE]That is a thought that did not occur to me at the time. I was thinking of turning up early being a factor. You are more likely right. Definitely there exist part time hookers doing other work or studies. Girls definitely find themselves short at end of month. In the old days at Thermae, it was mostly part timer girls, and that tended to make them more enthusiastic. They could be choosy as well re which guys they liked, however not being Asian was not a negative in those days.

Definitely some best lookers in bars can be part time free lancers as well.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2375897] My brother is married to a Thai woman and she hates that Isaan music, she prefers Thai music like Palmy. But I can hear that style of music anywhere, so I prefer that Isaan music.

The worst singers are American rappers. They can't sing a note. Zero talent in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. You actually like Isaan slow songs? I had to try to tolerate them at Songkran time in the province.

My Mrs fortunately does not play too much Isaan stuff. She plays one Palmy song that I thought was great, so I searched for other Palmy stuff, and found I did not go for most of her songs overall, just the one so far. Something about crying over the same old story (but in Thai language of course).

ร้องไห้ง่ายง่ายกับเรื่องเดิมๆ

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB8SLS02iUI[/URL]

Sort of like a Dolores O'Riordan song, but a bit more dreamy. Enjoy! Its pretty good I reckon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2375923]Today I just happened to be passing Thermae. Outside a girl was sizzling hot and pretty, dressed very tight to show off her tits and fab body, not the usual conservative stuff. Was 8. 30 Pm and she was just heading to the stairs to enter Thermae. My god I was tempted to go right after her. However a little voice in my head was saying "Syzy, don't waste your money yet again, she probably does not even like Farangs". Hottest girl I have seen at Thermae in a very long time (however of course I have not been there much and certainly not this early).

I agree with the other poster that it is hard to interview girls inside standing next to all their friends. "Can you give me deep tongue kissing, deep throat, and BBFS with CIP please, or at least CIM as a minimum?" I suppose one could whisper. "Do you like Farang cock and how many farangs have you fucked recently?" Ha ha. In fact I never tried asking girls in there anything quite so explicit. I put things more nicely.

I forced myself to move on without even going inside for another look. I am sworn off this place. Stopped in LB Pharmacy to buy a couple of things, and then thought it is a long while since I passed the BJ shops. So traversed Lolytas and Kasilong. 3 girls sitting outside the former. One was almost a pass, but not good enough to be fuckable. Kasilong had about 5 or 6 girls outside, not one was even slightly good looking, so did not give any further thought. I am crazy maybe. Need a good face even for a BJ, and preferably a hot ass too.[/QUOTE]For people who live in bkk, thermae is a dead fish. It's a place for east Asian tourists, who don't have time to find hot chicks, so just go in and find someone quickly. For me Thermae is worst place to find semi pros in bkk, it's always crowded, vibe is dead mostly and girls rarely perform well.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2375970]A report! The celestial bodies must be aligned, or someone has hacked your account.

Please expand on (a) distance between top of thighs (b) nose shape (c) her preference in instant coffee (d) whether she was low-carb organic gluten free and isotonic.[/QUOTE]Aha. I see you are a grumpy old sarcasm specialist with a grand total of 1 experience report. Some of us do post experience reports every time we try a new girl, and we all like detail in the report so guys can know whether the particular girl could be their style, without which it becomes a useless story.

For others: I checked the cart bars in Soi 7 last night opening quite early these days (before 10PM). 4 or 5 above average (for Bangkok) black girls were there, and one Thai girl that might have interested me had I not fucked already (other Thais I did not pay attention to). I expect it gets more busy later.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2376076]For people who live in bkk, thermae is a dead fish. It's a place for east asian tourists, who don't have time to find hot chicks, so just go in and find someone quickly. For me Thermae is worst place to find semi pros in bkk, it's always crowded, vibe is dead mostly and girls rarely perform well.[/QUOTE]I guess I don't really understand the bad rap Thermae gets from some posters here, especially in light of what most reports conclude is a "good" or even "great" session with a P4P girl.

Last night is a case in point. I cruised through Thermae about 9:45 PM. Second time around the horn I see the same very good looking, sexy girl on the right side that could easily have out shined every girl on the left side (for whatever that is worth) smiling at me. Tallish, light skin, enhanced boobs but not ridiculously so, lovely face, slender yet shapely, great lips and smile. I stopped and said Hello in Thai. She spoke English very well so that is how we continued our simple chat. Says she's from Chiang Mai but comes to Bkk to work. I was in no mood to cover all the issues and when she whispered "2,500 for ST" into my ear, this one felt like a good candidate to gamble on a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach.

In the room, she could not have been sweeter and more fun. Naked, she was from head to toe everything that would have been barfined out of any go-go bar in Bangkok or Pattaya within minutes of arriving to start her shift. Shaved smoothly. No tattoos. No weird piercings. Soft yet firm body. Lovely face.

The service level? She insisted on showering with me. Not really my thing, but this was "go with the flow" night for me so, ok. She made it very sensual and fun for me even though I am not really into showering together. I get it; she wants to make sure her customer is as clean as she expects him to be. I went with it.

On the bed, she loved DATY, gave me a very sweet light massage, then a warm, wet and skillful BBBJ. Then she put on some room temperature KY and gave me a HJ for a while. Then put my dick between her silky smooth tits and back to the BBBJ.

Now, in MY CASE, I did not finish. Yes, after our shower she asked if I had a condom and said no problem she had one if I didn't. Yep, that is when I simply told her I would not be able to fuck and finish wearing a condom, but I'd had a vasectomy and could show her a recent medical check document. She said No Way but pleasantly so. Then I had to hear her repeat some of the most famous misconceptions about HIV transmission, whatever. Ok, ok, there will be no fucking for us tonight. BBBJ+CIM? Nope. She cannot finish a blowjob as a blowjob. Tried it once with a Korean guy a year ago and vomited. But she is good with getting me close and then converting it into a HJ. No, that would be a very sad finish for me. Well, then there will be no finish for me tonight. That's the accepted risk I take with "go with the flow and see what happens in the room."

HOWEVER, if I had been ok with wearing a condom for fucking and not particularly interested in having a blowjob finish as a blowjob instead of a handjob, as sooooo many posters report is the way they "go with the flow and see what happens in the room", I can't imagine that anyone, expat or tourist, who has spent upwards of 3,000 baht to 6,000 baht to be with a girl just like that one or more likely much less attractive than her (for only 2,500 baht and no rush at all in my room) would see it as a "dead fish" experience.

That is similar to the experiences I have had with most of the last half dozen or more better looking Thermae girls I have taken. I'm talking about the overall service level provided. The fact that I don't finish with them is all about my issue with not being able to fuck and finish wearing a condom and the fact that I would rather save my bullet to cum INTO the next girl I take rather than accept a BBBJ+NO CIM or a HJ finish.

But for anyone who is ok with LESS than that, with Covered FS and the like, getting one of the better looking girls in Thermae to go with me, a 66 year old farang, and a girl who really tries to deliver as much of a GFE or PSE as I have read described on these threads that were rated "great!" or almost so, I see no reason to avoid Thermae. The ONLY real challenge I have found in taking better looking Thermae girls for their relatively cheap 2,500 baht going rate is getting one who will agree to BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM for that rate or reasonably more. And, yeah, I might not be talking about the top 5% best lookers in the room, but certainly among the top 20% best lookers. I would say they are better looking than the descriptions I've read and the few photos I've seen of so-called PSE massage shop girls who, other than those who provide Anal, don't seem to deliver anything better than I have gotten from most good looking Thermae girls I've taken.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2376072]You actually like Isaan slow songs?.[/QUOTE]I don't like slow songs of any genre. As far as Isaan songs, I only like the type they play in the gogos. Those are far from slow.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2376089]I would say they are better looking than the descriptions I've read and the few photos I've seen of so-called PSE massage shop girls who, other than those who provide Anal, don't seem to deliver anything better than I have gotten from most good looking Thermae girls I've taken.[/QUOTE]In many massage places they let you have two shots. It makes a big difference for guys that not last very long.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2376089]I guess I don't really understand the bad rap Thermae gets from some posters here, especially in light of what most reports conclude is a "good" or even "great" session with a P4P girl.

Last night is a case in point. I cruised through Thermae about 9:45 PM. Second time around the horn I see the same very good looking, sexy girl on the right side that could easily have out shined every girl on the left side (for whatever that is worth) smiling at me. Tallish, light skin, enhanced boobs but not ridiculously so, lovely face, slender yet shapely, great lips and smile. I stopped and said Hello in Thai. She spoke English very well so that is how we continued our simple chat. Says she's from Chiang Mai but comes to Bkk to work. I was in no mood to cover all the issues and when she whispered "2,500 for ST" into my ear, this one felt like a good candidate to gamble on a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach.

The service level? She insisted on showering with me. Not really my thing, but this was "go with the flow" night for me so, ok. She made it very sensual and fun for me even though I am not really into showering together. I get it; she wants to make sure her customer is as clean as she expects him to be. I went with it.

Now, in MY CASE, I did not finish.

But for anyone who is ok with LESS than that, with Covered FS and the like, getting one of the better looking girls in Thermae to go with me, a 66 year old farang, and a girl who really tries to deliver as much of a GFE or PSE as I have read described on these threads that were rated "great!" or almost so, I see no reason to avoid Thermae. [/QUOTE]Thermae is obviously good for some guys. Less so for difficult customers.

Doubtless some guys are choosing better or getting lucky, or getting a more enthusiastic performance one way or another. I just had a string of mediocre to weak performances, girls not fully relaxed to be with me.

Some girls are talking very nicely until comes time to put the dick in when they may seize up (go stiff legged) . Many have very low experience with Farangs.

How many wanted to DFK? Can't remember many. How many seemed horny and really onto it? How many had a fab all natural body? Yeh some liked the DATY but not the dick.

By the time I am your age and it is not far off I may well be needing exclusively BBFS like yourself. The ultra thins may not be good enough any more. If I was still 35, its possible I would be happy with Thermae girls. However never seem to get the full GFE or even close enough to it there these days. It is so much easier to do a girl not fully into it with no condom on and some lube.

BTW your girl sounds quite good, but hard to be sure till get the great feel of pussy on the dick. Not every pussy is equal.

I am having a better success rate with choosing Soi 4 girls lately, although very few are good looking. Sat night maybe better.
It's that simple really. Success rate for a good time matters. I always liked nudie bars because no shocks when clothes come off. A standing girl dressed in very revealing outfit is ok

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2376089]I guess I don't really understand the bad rap Thermae gets from some posters here, especially in light of what most reports conclude is a "good" or even "great" session with a P4P girl.

Last night is a case in point. I cruised through Thermae about 9:45 PM. Second time around the horn I see the same very good looking, sexy girl on the right side that could easily have out shined every girl on the left side (for whatever that is worth) smiling at me. Tallish, light skin, enhanced boobs but not ridiculously so, lovely face, slender yet shapely, great lips and smile. I stopped and said Hello in Thai. She spoke English very well so that is how we continued our simple chat. Says she's from Chiang Mai but comes to Bkk to work. I was in no mood to cover all the issues and when she whispered "2,500 for ST" into my ear, this one felt like a good candidate to gamble on a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach.

In the room, she could not have been sweeter and more fun. Naked, she was from head to toe everything that would have been barfined out of any go-go bar in Bangkok or Pattaya within minutes of arriving to start her shift. Shaved smoothly. No tattoos. No weird piercings. Soft yet firm body. Lovely face.

The service level? She insisted on showering with me. Not really my thing, but this was "go with the flow" night for me so, ok. She made it very sensual and fun for me even though I am not really into showering together. I get it; she wants to make sure her customer is as clean as she expects him to be. I went with it.[/QUOTE]I mostly agree with your points. Most girls (like you said on right side) are better looking than massage shop girls, but because they're not trained well, their service is quite weak. Also most of the time they're in hurry to leave. They're mostly used to the asian crowd, who most of the times come pretty quickly and are okay with whatever they get.

Saying that, I have a regular who I found out in Thermae. She is 28, pretty hot and now does way better BJ than she did when we first met (maybe because of experience). She only goes there on Friday and Saturday, most times I ask her to come at my place first and then she goes to thermae.

A report on my trip to the land of smiles. Thailand was never on my radar. Have been mongering for years (US, UK, Mex & Can) but was not aware of Thailand's treasures. Got a few books and started to do some research. Came across ISG and spent may hours continuing my research. Formulated a plan and made some reservations. Decided on low season, worked better for budget and timing and figured a good time to ease into such an endeavor.

Pattaya was to be my base of operation, bookending nights in Bangkok as transition to the flights. Made bookings using Agoda and Google Flights. Booked 6 nights at VT6 and found around trip for under $800. Figured with the close proximity of Nana, Cowboy and Skytrain to so many hotels in Bangkok, I'd wait until I had feet on the ground to make arrangements. Planned to take the train into city central, find hotel near Nana or Asok stations. Initially thought about finding a LBFM in Bangkok and offer her an all expense paid vacation in Pattaya. After doing many hours of reading, decided to go along with the prevailing opinion of why focus on one when there are so many available.

Well plans changed and I ended up in Bangkok four days sooner and later in the day. Flight and immigration was smooth and uneventful. Exchanged some cash and got something to eat on the lower floor of the airport. Head for the train station at the BKK airport. As I'm looking at the rail map to figure out my route, a very official looking lady with an ID badge says the train is not working. Offers to find me a car and asks me where I'm going. I make mistake number one, sort of. I tell her I don't have a hotel yet. See says she can help me with that too. Takes me over to little tourist info shop and shows me a binder full of hotels, tours and services for sale. After some back and forth negotiating we settle on $2000 baht for car and room. Paid the money at the booth, which I was a bit unsure about, but was given a receipt. I had two suitcases plus a carry on, it was door to door, so figured it was worth it and I did a good job for $60 US.

It was around 3:30 pm, I'm escorted to a new car with a bottle of water and a cute older female driver. Ride into the city was nice and relaxing, got to sight see and enjoy the water. Closer we got to destination, the worse the traffic got, but I wasn't driving and enjoying the view. Last 2 kilometers took over 20 minutes. Ended up near Ratchaprarop station at Cozy Villa Hotel, in name only.

Showed desk clerk my receipt and get checked in for only an additional $200 baht key deposit. Room was across the street and reached after walking through a restaurant, with my luggage. Not a normal experience for an American. Room was like a large closet, but was clean, had a bathroom and working AC. Figured I wasn't there for the room any and had a place to leave my bags.

Time to scope out my surroundings, check map and see where Nana Plaza is and decide to walk, it was just before sunset. Get to Nana before 7 pm, too early, but did walk around all three floors. Did get an offer from a very nice looking lady boy, which I politely decline. Those hands will give them away every time. Decide to go to Stumble Inn for something to drink and eat. Name was familiar to a place back home. Sit down at the bar and order a drink. Get introduced to very beautiful BG, we chat for a bit. Buy her a drink and get her work schedule, and a few pictures but nothing more.

Decide to scope out the freelancer scene, so I leave and turn left. Walk past Nana Plaza, girls are streaming in to work for the night. Arriving on the back of scooters looking awesome. I continue down Soi 4 and barely get past Hillary 4 when I feel a soft hand touch my arm. I look to see a beautiful young woman smiling at me and speaking very good English. She offers to give me a massage for $1000 tb. I explain I didn't have a room in the area. She tells me we can use her room. She's 29 yo about 5'2" and 58 kilos, with a beautiful face, bright eyes and smile. I continue checking out her pair of Cs, small waist and gorgeous ass which fits my hand perfectly. She's wearing stretchy pants, a tee shirt with plunging neckline and a scarf on her head. I figure low risk and could use a massage from someone I can have a conversation with.

She grabs my hand and leads me towards the Rajah Hotel, practically running. I suggest we stop for a drink, she says no, later. We step into the elevator with three other people. I'm backed up in the corner, with her backed up against me. I have one arm wrapped around her chest with my other hand caressing her ass. She reaches back and starts caressing my cock and balls, this is going to be a good massage. We reach her room and in we go, she hasn't even unpacked yet. I find out she's from the Philippines and just arrived today, what's my odds of that?

We hop in the shower to clean up and she suggests I stay the night for an additional $2 k. I figure why not, beats having to find my way back to my closet. I took the advice from a poster and brought condoms with me from the states and had stuck three in my pocket before heading out. We fucked and sucked the night away, she really liked to DFK and BBBJ too. We didn't leave the bed until after 10 AM. We went through every condom in the room, three of mine and two of hers.

She had short cropped hair, her body was flawless, smooth and soft with no tattoos or piercings, just the way I like it. A little more pubic hair than I like, but she tasted sweet and was very responsive. She suggests that I go get my luggage and stay with her. It's a much nicer room than mine, great Location and she likes to fuck and suck. I'm only planning on staying in Bangkok for a few days. So I head back to my "hotel" to checkout and get my key deposit. Take a quick shower, had to give room service something to do. Grab my luggage and a tuk tuk, as is was starting to rain, and head back to Rajah. She meets me in the lobby, hands me a room key and up to the room we go to test the mattress again. Plus she still owed me a massage. It's hasn't even been 24 hours since my plane landed, this is going to be a great trip.

Summary first 24 hrs.

Transportation $1150.

Food and drink $1100.

Entertainment $3000.

6 Condoms.

$5,250 tb = $175 us.

To be continued. Twelve days to go.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2374619]Really. Well if you came here once a year, would you go back to your hotel 3 nights in a row without a companion. How about 5? If there was no adult scene, would, or it got too expensive, would you even come.[/QUOTE]Firstly, if I travel to an place once a year, I don't consider myself a frequent visitor. I said nothing about price, because what one man spends in a day might be another's budget for a week or more, and I have no judgement on either. As for expectation, where is logic that I will settle for less if I am visiting a place? I might be coming from a place that has the highest delivery standards, consistently. No evidence.

Friday evening I went to Loli. Tas for a quick and cheap relieve.

Maybe 5 girls outside, I had a look at Kasalong first but saw nothing interesting there also so I came back near Loli. Tas and one of the girls invited me to have a drink inside.

She was not pretty but her face looked OK compared to the other girls and she had a real slim body so I agreed to take her upstairs directly. I played a bit with her ass in the stairs and she was actually playful so it was a good sign.

Once upstairs she directly took off everything except her bra and let me do whatever I wanted with her pussy and ass. I didn't finger her but rather touched and kissed a bit.

She then sucked me for a few minutes before I came and kept on sucking for maybe a minute or more after I came and then calmly split what she had in her mouth.

So here is a friendly girl, accommodating and available at a very affordable price (800 baht and I tipped her 100 because she was nice) with a slim body without baby damage, she had a nice pussy also.

Her name is Som and works only on the evening shift (she starts work at 17 o'clock).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2376103]...

Some girls are talking very nicely until comes time to put the dick in when they may seize up (go stiff legged) . Many have very low experience with Farangs.

How many wanted to DFK? Can't remember many. How many seemed horny and really onto it? How many had a fab all natural body? Yeh some liked the DATY but not the dick.

By the time I am your age and it is not far off I may well be needing exclusively BBFS like yourself. The ultra thins may not be good enough any more. If I was still 35, its possible I would be happy with Thermae girls. However never seem to get the full GFE or even close enough to it there these days. It is so much easier to do a girl not fully into it with no condom on and some lube.

BTW your girl sounds quite good, but hard to be sure till get the great feel of pussy on the dick. Not every pussy is equal.
...[/QUOTE]Absolutely true that the feel of the pussy or the girl's behavior after penetration could change the whole situation from acceptable or better to mission impossible. Of course, if I were wearing a condom, all pussies would feel pretty much like the inside of a condom to me with marginal differences in snugness. But still not working for me. Actually, while doing bareback, any mission impossible problems for me have rarely been due to an unacceptable vagina. Strange as it might seem, it is usually due to the girl's inability to understand what I mean for her to do with the ball tickling. LOL. Tapping, squeezing, clawing and a few other bad habits is only going to scare my orgasm out of the room. Even when I demonstrate the relaxed, surface-only stroking on the girl's arm or whatever, that sometimes does not translate. No, I don't mean the girl then starts to gently stroke MY arm. LOL. I only mean she will forget what I just demonstrated for her and start tapping or paddling my scrotum with her hand again. Awful.

I have grown to really appreciate a superior vagina among Thai P4P girls. Some are just ok and I can usually deal with that. But when I get a truly superior one, it can really rock my world and overcum a whole host of other negatives and deficiencies.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2376136]I mostly agree with your points. Most girls (like you said on right side) are better looking than massage shop girls, but because they're not trained well, their service is quite weak. Also most of the time they're in hurry to leave. They're mostly used to the asian crowd, who most of the times come pretty quickly and are okay with whatever they get.

Saying that, I have a regular who I found out in Thermae. She is 28, pretty hot and now does way better BJ than she did when we first met (maybe because of experience). She only goes there on Friday and Saturday, most times I ask her to come at my place first and then she goes to thermae.[/QUOTE]I suppose experience is the best teacher for a BJ. More often than not, a Thai girl who gets almost everything wrong about a BJ will not suddenly get competent at it in one or two lessons. They are often simply unteachable in that amount of time.

On the subject of repeating a Thermae girl, that is where I believe Thermae can be a more interesting place for expats than for tourists. The very good girl (for guys who are fine with Covered FS) I took from there last night gave me her Line info and there is a good chance she will Line me sometime with a change of heart and mind about going bareback with me. There were certainly enough uncharacteristic "Oh My God! I Love You!" utterances from her during the DATY and later during a about of 69 to suggest she might anyway. True, for this first time we were together neither her God nor her Love for me was inspiration enough to move it into a bareback fuck or go along with my trending in that direction. LOL. But second times around do happen on occasion. And when they do, I have no qualms about spelling it out as explicitly as possible that this time it will be my way or I'll take a pass.

Doing the calculation, 5,000 baht or more is easily an amount I could pay on a short evening of cruising the go-go bars and taking a go-go bar girl who will agree to what I need. So if it takes two 2,500 baht sessions to get that with a way above average Thermae girl who would not budge on my requirement the first time around but will agree to it without hassle the second time around, what the hell, I live here and have time for that. Sure, I understand some guys would hate it to be a Two Stage endeavor. And that would not generally work in a one or two week visit. But I am not in such a hurry or in such need really.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2376080] grumpy [/QUOTE]Nope, quite cheerful just find it slightly irksome that there are 12,000+ posts from a certain keyboard warrior. If One in four is your beef about my genuine report credentials please do point me to the 3,000 reports of new girls you have reported on.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2376080] old [/QUOTE]Err, does this site do carbon dating? Wow, the internet is amazing.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2376080] sarcasm specialist [/QUOTE]Nope, just a gifted amateur. My specialism is elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2376080] useless story. [/QUOTE]Speaking of specialist subjects. Rearrange the words KETTLE, BLACK and POT into a meaningful phrase?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2376158]Firstly, if I travel to an place once a year, I don't consider myself a frequent visitor. I said nothing about price, because what one man spends in a day might be another's budget for a week or more, and I have no judgement on either. As for expectation, where is logic that I will settle for less if I am visiting a place? I might be coming from a place that has the highest delivery standards, consistently. No evidence.[/QUOTE]So in other words, avoid the questions I asked.

[QUOTE=Jzinct;2376149]A report on my trip to the land of smiles. Thailand was never on my radar. Have been mongering for years (US, UK, Mex & Can) but was not aware of Thailand's treasures. Got a few books and started to do some research. Came across ISG and spent may hours continuing my research.

To be continued. Twelve days to go.[/QUOTE]What a great start for your first trip in Thailand.

I'm very impressed.

Keep posting your experience man.

Nira, New Massage Soi 33, sweet slim tall pretty model newbie with small tits not saggy, has baby, shy no English. GFE up to you. Yes will repeat. No pornstar.

2 weeks in Bangkok all sessions good to outstanding, Snow White, DokiDoki, New, Soi 4, 5 Star, 2 regulars repeated multiples. Only bad session was Thermae. My batting average at Therma remains woeful.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2376010]The Nana girls are dogs all the time. Just coincidentally, I was walking through there on Saturday night and they were more horrid than usual. I consider the streetwalkers in that area to be the dregs, and the guys that pick them up either don't know any better, can't afford any better, or are just blind, desperate or so hideous themselves that that's the best they can do. To be fair, the ones by the car park you can at least look at without vomiting. Start heading down the street and watching them deteriorate into simple lumps of two-legged .[/QUOTE]For a guy that lives in LOS half a year or a resident I would agree it 's not worth going there to check the FLs and I very rarely saw nice girls standing there (in all my trips in BKK I took only one girl from that street).

However when you've spent the whole year working in a shitty European country where the girls are as dumb as you don't even want to interact with them, once you look at some of these FL girls and you know you can get a quick and cheap relieve they become attractive.

Anyway I won't argue with you about that as I had the same mindset than you in all my previous visits.

I was also there on Saturday night (around midnight) and could spot a very cute one that I wanted to meet. I observed her for some time from a place she couldn't see me and I saw her getting away from some guys that tried to approach her, so at least I thought she was not at the bottom of the barrel of the FLs that stand on that street, so it was a good point for her.

I went to have a look further the street and you're right that the further you go, the less pretty they are.

Finally I came back and initiated a talk with her, she asked for 1500. Seeing her closely I thought that she was still very cute so I didn't want to offer her something too low from her starting rate. She said she would stay one hour, for me it's another good sign, at least she will not try to rush the thing. I offered her 1200 and we settled at 1300. We went to a nearby ST room. Even though they might be the bottom of the barrel, it seems that there is a lot of demand for these products because the first ST place we tried was full so we went to the one that is just in front for 300 baht.

In the room she was adorable, with the light of the room I could see her face was a bit less attractive but still good for me. She was slim, no baby damage on the belly except the big scar above her pussy, she was not trimmed at all but it's OK for me as I don't go down on these FLs, but her boobs were saggy (not a big deal for me), ass was small and well shaped, skin was not dark and was smooth.

We took some time for talking (late twenties from a city from Essan, recently split with her Thai BF, working there for aprox 2 years) and foreplay. She let me play with her backdoor (and I enjoyed it a lot) but anal fuck was out of question. I think I had my finger up her ass during almost the whole session.

She can do some extended light kissing (no DFK as she doesn't know how to do it), a nice BBBJ and then straight in doggy. For me she was very far from the bottom of the barrel.

I will certainly repeat her as I liked her and for that price I consider it cheap but I try to manage my power as there are a lot of girls I would want to check out.

I will not reveal her name or the exact place she stays as it seems that nobody wants her anyway, she said she arrived around 8 pm that night and I was her first customer at around midnight. Given that both you and Syzigyes probably saw her but did not pay attention to her is a good indication that she is absolutely not worth it.

[QUOTE=Jzinct;2376149]A report on my trip to the land of smiles. Thailand was never on my radar. Have been mongering for years (US, UK, Mex & Can) but was not aware of Thailand's treasures. Got a few books and started to do some research. Came across ISG and spent may hours continuing my research. Formulated a plan and made some reservations. Decided on low season, worked better for budget and timing and figured a good time to ease into such an endeavor.

Pattaya was to be my base of operation, bookending nights in Bangkok as transition to the flights. Made bookings using Agoda and Google Flights. Booked 6 nights at VT6 and found around trip for under $800. Figured with the close proximity of Nana, Cowboy and Skytrain to so many hotels in Bangkok, I'd wait until I had feet on the ground to make arrangements. Planned to take the train into city central, find hotel near Nana or Asok stations. Initially thought about finding a LBFM in Bangkok and offer her an all expense paid vacation in Pattaya. After doing many hours of reading, decided to go along with the prevailing opinion of why focus on one when there are so many available.

Well plans changed and I ended up in Bangkok four days sooner and later in the day. Flight and immigration was smooth and uneventful. Exchanged some cash and got something to eat on the lower floor of the airport. Head for the train station at the BKK airport. As I'm looking at the rail map to figure out my route, a very official looking lady with an ID badge says the train is not working. Offers to find me a car and asks me where I'm going. I make mistake number one, sort of. I tell her I don't have a hotel yet. See says she can help me with that too. Takes me over to little tourist info shop and shows me a binder full of hotels, tours and services for sale. After some back and forth negotiating we settle on $2000 baht for car and room. Paid the money at the booth, which I was a bit unsure about, but was given a receipt. I had two suitcases plus a carry on, it was door to door, so figured it was worth it and I did a good job for $60 US.

It was around 3:30 pm, I'm escorted to a new car with a bottle of water and a cute older female driver. Ride into the city was nice and relaxing, got to sight see and enjoy the water. Closer we got to destination, the worse the traffic got, but I wasn't driving and enjoying the view. Last 2 kilometers took over 20 minutes. Ended up near Ratchaprarop station at Cozy Villa Hotel, in name only.[/QUOTE]

Let me congratulate you on an excellent report. You knew a lot about Thailand from reading the forum. I would like to point out a few mistakes in the event it will help others. For a first trip book your hotel in advance so you have a place to go when you arrive in BKK. You knew to book near the BTS, Sukhumvit, Nana, and Soi Cowboy, but you wound up in another area I believe. There is a scam at tourist sites where a man or woman will tell you the site is closed but they can show you someplace else. This is a scam they use on unsuspecting tourists and the site is likely open. Happened to me at the Grand Palace. My best guess is the trains from the airport to BKK city were working when you were there and the lady grabbed you to make a commission for herself.

It's great to read such a detailed report from a first timer to BKK. Looking forward to the rest of your reports. I suspect you had a great time. Thank you for sharing your story with us.

Hi all,

In a few weeks I'll be going to Thailand for the first time. Since I'll spend most of my time in Pattaya, I've been mostly been reading up on the situation and prices down there.

But I also have a couple of days planned in Bangkok (staying near the Nana BST stop) and I'd like to ask a few questions. I've read quite a lot of the forum, but it seems to have a high number of posts focusing on regular and repeating mongers.

As a newbie Farang with mozarella like skin, where should I spend my time? Where to pick up girls without going broke?

Prices are higher than in patts I hear, so what should I expect for ST in the different venues?

Are the soapy's worth it? If so, where should I go?

Which gogo's are most likely to have nude girls and some hands on action going on?

I should mention that I'm not particularly green or easily flustered when it comes to working girls. The last decade I've spent a lot of times at FKKs, which also means that I've fucked many pretty Romanians at 100 E and hour or less. Syz, I'm sure you don't remember, but we met once in the glory days of FKK World. Back when Neya and Kate Beckinsale lookalike Andrea were filling their pockets over there.

In any case, any info is appreciated.

FD.

Tooms, the very moment I read "shaved smoothly" I knew you weren't getting BBFS.

[QUOTE=Catire;2376585]Tooms, the very moment I read "shaved smoothly" I knew you weren't getting BBFS.[/QUOTE]Why would that be? The majority of my first time girls who provide me with BBFS+CIP were shaved smoothly, including from Thermae.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2376588]Why would that be? The majority of my first time girls who provide me with BBFS+CIP were shaved smoothly, including from Thermae.[/QUOTE]Has worked in reverse with me.

The smoothly shaved invariably were professional hookers with a high percentage of farang customers.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2376383]What a great start for your first trip in Thailand.

I'm very impressed.

Keep posting your experience man.[/QUOTE]Except for falling for the train-is-closed scam and getting stuck in ratchaprapop.

I remember asking where one might find African girls on my last visit to BKK and was told to avoid. Typical will steal from you stereotype. However, my preferences and my past travel experiences couldn't keep me away. Was in Nana area a day ago and saw a cute one from Uganda walking down the street but couldn't make eye contact. Later saw her sitting at Hooters having a beer. So I pulled up a chair and began to talk. The security guy at Hooters, who always makes me laugh by the way, great guy, told me she has been in there for a couple of weeks now. We bullshit and then she said she'the go with me for ST. Back at the hotel we bullshit some more. She showers and did a great job. Like most Africans likes doggy and did it nicely with her ass up and face down. After she took a nice load in her mouth and let it run down her chest. I like to put them on the floor with their head back on the bed for the shot and she was compliant. Told me she wanted to hang out some more but I was done for the night. Also told me she give me her ass if we got married LOL.

Nice body, tits are not my thing and hers were like most black girls.

She told me where most of the black girls hang out and mentioned this African-Caribbean club down the road. She prefers to work Nana area and not hang out with the other Africans. Which I understand the drama that comes with that. Black girls to me are a lot of attitude, but if they like you are the nastiest little sluts you'll find and can be very submissive. But if you're in a relationship with one she is the Queen on the street.

Met another on Tinder from Kenya. She's stopping by today later.

[QUOTE=Catire;2376601]Has worked in reverse with me.

The smoothly shaved invariably were professional hookers with a high percentage of farang customers.[/QUOTE]Yep, Asian guys prefer hair. Seen more gals with hair in the PSE shops as well. That's a big no-no for me.

[QUOTE=Catire;2376601]Has worked in reverse with me.

The smoothly shaved invariably were professional hookers with a high percentage of farang customers.[/QUOTE]No, it has been the opposite for me. If the girl likes oral sex enough to understand the value in keeping herself shaved, there is also a good chance she appreciates good sex in general enough to hate condoms almost as much as many men do. LOL.

In my experience, the girl being shaved has not been an indicator that she will probably say No to BBFS+CIP on our first encounter. Actually, her being popular with or amenable to being with many farang customers has not been such an indicator either as I recall.

In this particular case, I was quite sure she would probably say No to that with me for other, much more problematic reasons and consistent indicators:

1. I did not get an upfront agreement from her for BBFS+CIP in the bar or sometime before we headed to my room. Instead, I chose "go with the flow and see what happens in the room." Therefore, there was already an 80% chance she would say No to BBFS+CIP in the room and hold to it.

2. She was a solid 8+.

3. I met her in Thermae.

I knew long before I got to the room she was very, very likely to refuse BBFS+CIP on that first encounter. When I saw that she was shaved smoothly, that was just one small glimmer of hope that she was appreciative, experienced and knowledgeable enough about great sex to feel comfortable with my vasectomy and medical check document situation and go for it. My feeling about her being a good candidate for the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach was based only on my assumption that it could be a Two Stage (2,500 baht X 2) accomplishment and I did not want to risk her saying No in the bar without us even getting to that first Stage of it. I was willing to give that approach a chance with this one.

We have chatted on Line a bit since then. She says she will contact me for another session when she returns to Bangkok. We'll see. I am not counting on it. But it will be a nice surprise if I do get that Line message in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2376010]The Nana girls are dogs all the time. Just coincidentally, I was walking through there on Saturday night and they were more horrid than usual. I consider the streetwalkers in that area to be the dregs, and the guys that pick them up either don't know any better, can't afford any better, or are just blind, desperate or so hideous themselves that that's the best they can do. To be fair, the ones by the car park you can at least look at without vomiting. Start heading down the street and watching them deteriorate into simple lumps of two-legged ugliness.

Turn a does seem to get a bit more crowded at the end of the month and you'll find more part-timers there. Since the girls pay the club to be there, I assume that for many girls, it's not worth it to be there for only a night or so.[/QUOTE]Well, I always see one or two Thai gals that are doable. But, venture farther down the street and some of the Viets just blow the Thai gals out of the water. White skin, great facial features (non-surgically enhanced for the most part), and some ripping bodies combined with that great aggressive intense Vietnamese attitude. I'll take a white skinned Chinese featured Viet over a dark skinned Isaan gal any day.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2376728]Well, I always see one or two Thai gals that are doable. But, venture farther down the street and some of the Viets just blow the Thai gals out of the water. White skin, great facial features (non-surgically enhanced for the most part), and some ripping bodies combined with that great aggressive intense Vietnamese attitude. I'll take a white skinned Chinese featured Viet over a dark skinned Isaan gal any day.[/QUOTE]I agree. There are often several girls further down Soi 4 from the Nana Hotel car park area who are better looking than most. And not just the Viet girls. Unfortunately, the Viet girls are more stubborn than most about condom condom condom for everything. There are exceptions but you have to work for it. I had one about a year ago that only comes out of that Nana Condo building many Viet girls stay in when she gets an online date. She was at least a bargirl 9, a cut above most FL anywhere. But she would only come out to walk on that soi IF she knew I was already outside waiting to meet her.

She started at 15,000 baht for LT, condom required, her supposed "going rate". Over a drink I got her to LT for 7,000, BBFS+CIP that evening, BBBJ+CIM in the morning, no rush, all on my terms. That was the most I've spent outright on a hooker in Thailand. But the calculation was still that I could easily spend almost that much cruising around the go-go bars and only get a ST BBFS+CIP/BBBJ+CIM for it with a probably bargirl 7+.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2376735]I agree. There are often several girls further down Soi 4 from the Nana Hotel car park area who are better looking than most. And not just the Viet girls. Unfortunately, the Viet girls are more stubborn than most about condom condom condom for everything. There are exceptions but you have to work for it. I had one about a year ago that only comes out of that Nana Condo building many Viet girls stay in when she gets an online date. She was at least a bargirl 9, a cut above most FL anywhere. But she would only come out to walk on that soi IF she knew I was already outside waiting to meet her.

She started at 15,000 baht for LT, condom required, her supposed "going rate". Over a drink I got her to LT for 7,000, BBFS+CIP that evening, BBBJ+CIM in the morning, no rush, all on my terms. That was the most I've spent outright on a hooker in Thailand. But the calculation was still that I could easily spend almost that much cruising around the go-go bars and only get a ST BBFS+CIP/BBBJ+CIM for it with a probably bargirl 7+.[/QUOTE]Luckily I am ok with condoms for FS and anal, and the Viets seem ok with BBBJ. Funny, even when engaging in BBFS, which is rare, I prefer to "come on" rather than "come in. " Product of 80's porn I guess. The Viets are for sure several cuts above the Thais when it comes to looks.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2376743]Funny, even when engaging in BBFS, which is rare, I prefer to "come on" rather than "come in. " Product of 80's porn I guess.[/QUOTE]I am the same. If I don't cum on the girl (either her body or her face), I consider it a total turn off and a wasted session. Even if wearing a condom, I will rip that condom off right at the end and cum on her rather than cumming inside.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2376743]Luckily I am ok with condoms for FS and anal, and the Viets seem ok with BBBJ.
...[/QUOTE]Yes, I have taken a couple of the cute/pretty face Vietnamese girls down there for BBBJ+CIM in my room, 1,000 baht. I used to date a Vietnamese girl back in the usa, a blackjack dealer at Harrah's in Tahoe. She was crazy about BBBJ+CIM+Swallow, couldn't get enough of it. Loved her dearly. But I have not met a swallower among them here yet. For me, that is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2376750]Yes, I have taken a couple of the cute/pretty face Vietnamese girls down there for BBBJ+CIM in my room, 1,000 baht. I used to date a Vietnamese girl back in the usa, a blackjack dealer at Harrah's in Tahoe. She was crazy about BBBJ+CIM+Swallow, couldn't get enough of it. Loved her dearly. But I have not met a swallower among them here yet. For me, that is.[/QUOTE]I found a Viet FL in front of Hooters. Not bad, nice legs. She would not agree on no condom but was ok with everything else. I didn't ask for anal, not into the chocolate factory. I'm a sucker for great legs so I don't even remember the face.

Also exchanged some questions with the deft lady boss and she offered her side kick for 1200 baht, when I asked about no condom the price went up to 3500 baht. Goodbye.

All in the Soi 4 was populated with 3's and 4's. And many didn't even make the chart. A great place for stingy fucks.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2376794]
All in the Soi 4 was populated with 3's and 4's. And many didn't even make the chart. A great place for stingy fucks.

RL.[/QUOTE]A great place for value for money if don't need porno. Certainly I am doing better there than Thermae in value for money and luck for making the right choice, but more all naturals on Soi 4 and performance can be better with Farangs. I can pass quite easily, when only 3 or 4's are there, and that can be somewhat often. Pick the right time and right night and I found 3 hot girls last Saturday. Yes Thermae overall looks standard is much higher, but only the best 2 or 3 girls really matter. I think its easier to have a regular girl there and can reach an understanding that will pay a bit more for exceptional service, yet still be value. Getting a regular at Thermae would be a good idea too, for reliable service.

Soi 4 girls looks can be quite comparable with many MPs, with rather few girls looking doable, however maybe more all natural girls. Did not see the stunning deaf girl on Soi 4 lately at all. I fear she is gone.

I have not done any nor even met any Viets, and talked to them. Maybe they are not my spec really. Have met odd Bangkok person claiming to be Viet but actually not. I try a few Viet phrases on them. I can pronounce well enough for them to understand if they are really Viet. One I suspected was really from Myanmar. Still doubtless Viets are around, maybe I just never approached any. Its is useful I think to have a few basic phrases for each major SE Asian country, so can tell which language girls really speak, and how much they maybe bullshitting. Girls from Myanmar and Cambodia that spoke Thai, I could tell had strange pronunciation. One Laos girl though pronounces Thai so well that I can't really pick it, but her Thai spelling is atrocious, spelling in more like a Laos way.

My hairdresser was a Galiang, like Karen or other hilltribe from Myanmar, and I did not really understand a word of their language. That would be going too far. There are far too many minor languages.

I tried to learn some Vietnamese but found it much harder than Thai to come to grips with, or maybe the teacher was lousy to explain pronunciation. Easy to recognise though, its very short jerky sound. Not a pretty language except when spoken by sweet girls.

Are there a lot of Viet hookers in Thailand? It would not be legal for them to be working as hookers on the street. Don't they fear police raids?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2376743]I prefer to "come on" rather than "come in. " Product of 80's porn I guess. [/QUOTE]I am not one to put much stead in being conditioned or excited to imitate porn movies (which are clearly contrived and silly and either ugly or nasty). My taste in porn is strange no doubt, sex-art or X-art rather non nasty porn, no really extreme stuff. However really hot girls even those with golden brown skin can excite me. Latest one I watched was a light golden skinned black girl Julie Kay, and I liked her body even with a little too much landing trip. So my porn is just sexy, but not having anything in particular to imitate thet registers with me. Doubtless the guys' DATY technique looks mostly poor so would not learn anything from that. Then they put dicks half way in for the camera to see better, some / many girls have pussy stuffing to stop the dick going all the way, Ha ha. Its all a joke but can have a sexy illusion. I hate seeing condoms in porn, I guess that means something, hate Jap pixelation, and even fast forward during extended BBBJs which bore me. Watch little ass fucking preferring beautiful pussy. I am sure my taste is not normal with many guys seeming to like "extreme porn" and something denigrating / degrading the girls as far as possible. Must be a danger if guys need to act out what they see in extreme porn too much.

Still I am well used to come on, and go used it. It does further reduce risks of pregnancy and other things. I certainly am not into risking girls getting pregnant, we all should know many young hookers are getting pregnant accidentally, even if they are supposedly on the pill.

I intend to take ETs lead and get the vasectomy done. My Mrs still has periods but not wanting another baby.

Is it weird for me to get turned on by the girl getting turned on and clearly wanting to enjoy it rather than purely working? No dead fish fucks for me. Its easy to like girls who like to fuck a lot, and show enthusiasm. I am okay Normally with girls largely doing what things they enjoy, rather than requesting specific services. Sometimes I have got no BJ, because girl does not feel like doing one but wants to do other things. No BJ is not worse than a poor BJ. One girl worked in a BJ shop so being sick to death of BJs but wanting DATY and a nice deep fuck, was not a big problem. Ha ha. Her pussy was relatively fresh.

Girl attitude is the huge thing for me to make a session work, or bomb out totally, once get past total physical incompatibility, or a disaster body, and she has got have a nic pussy and look sexy. Back in my home country before moving to Thai girls, only 1 in 10 hookers really had the attitude to make it fun rather than procedural, and hence I never do western hookers back home any more. Success rate was far too low. East European hookers and Latina have a much better attitude, don't know my. My country just sucks!

I think Thailand has been in decline for hooker Attitudes, but I can't prove it, because I got older and less desirable. I never forget Thai girls that wanted to fuck several times a night (many years back). Was easy to see how much they wanted another pop like they never had it so good. Don't meet that any more. Best I can expect is another round in the morning if do LT. Maybe the young spunks are still getting that. Maybe I am too difficult to do multiple times any more.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2376735]I agree. There are often several girls further down Soi 4 from the Nana Hotel car park area who are better looking than most. And not just the Viet girls. Unfortunately, the Viet girls are more stubborn than most about condom condom condom for everything. There are exceptions but you have to work for it. I had one about a year ago that only comes out of that Nana Condo building many Viet girls stay in when she gets an online date. She was at least a bargirl 9, a cut above most FL anywhere. But she would only come out to walk on that soi IF she knew I was already outside waiting to meet her.[/QUOTE]Lucky you then dude, the further you walk down the Soi, the uglier it gets IMHO.

[QUOTE=Catire;2376601]
The smoothly shaved invariably were professional hookers with a high percentage of farang customers.[/QUOTE]That part is likely right, shaved girls know Farangs prefer it. However I don't see any correlation between allowing BBFS and pussy hair, it maybe true that many inexperienced girls are easier to talk into BBFS than experienced ones but not sure they all have big Bush, but I don't see a huge pattern. Could be shaved, well trimmed, or bushy. I don't do any bushy ones regularly, so can't say if they would BBFS easily or not.

Many guys claimed to get BBFS at Snow White regularly. I guess they weren't all telling porkies.

My first regular that decided to stop using a condom (in recent years) was every experienced and shaved. She wanted for us both to be tested regularly, she was a little more paranoid about HIV than necessary. However she could see my staying power increased if BBFS. She could take a while to get her 2nd pop. Dicks wilt faster with a thick condom spoiling the feel for non-sensitive dick guys. Maybe can't cum. I am sure ET agrees with me here. BBFS can feel better for the girl as well as for the guy. She was first one to yank the condom off me suddenly one day. Of course can be a mechanism for the girl to hook the customer more regularly, and make her be a preferred or the preferred girl. No other girl matches her stamina.

[QUOTE=Jzinct;2376149]Well plans changed and I ended up in Bangkok four days sooner and later in the day. Flight and immigration was smooth and uneventful. Exchanged some cash and got something to eat on the lower floor of the airport. Head for the train station at the BKK airport. As I'm looking at the rail map to figure out my route, a very official looking lady with an ID badge says the train is not working. Offers to find me a car and asks me where I'm going. I make mistake number one, sort of. I tell her I don't have a hotel yet. See says she can help me with that too. Takes me over to little tourist info shop and shows me a binder full of hotels, tours and services for sale. After some back and forth negotiating we settle on $2000 baht for car and room. Paid the money at the booth, which I was a bit unsure about, but was given a receipt. I had two suitcases plus a carry on, it was door to door, so figured it was worth it and I did a good job for $60 US.
[/QUOTE]Lesson one. Don't accept help from very helpful scammers. Ignore all those too eager to help you. Don't even talk to them. There is an official information booth somewhere, if you need it. If price is too good, you would get the shittiest Hotel. She was there to make a good profit and rip you off. Surely the train was really still operating. If not take a metered taxi.

At airport I go to upper level. All taxi drivers that come at me, get ignored. I take a guy politely sitting in his taxi. These are likely the more honest ones. Once I speak Thai he won't try anything too silly. We make sure the meter gets turned on / reset. I still have to be very specific about the taxi route. I have to insist he uses the expressway but gets off at Rama 9. Thais have different agendas. The may like to exit freeway at Soi 1 with traffic jam. They may think to save money will use ordinary roads with traffic jam. I use Google Maps to show the best route at the time.

I think is better is you book a hotel in advance for at least the first night, to give you less hassles on arrival. However stay flexible. Learn what you like and what you don't like.

Anyone trying too hard to help has other motives. Believe us! Never let them take you to where they want to go.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2376529]As a newbie Farang with mozarella like skin, where should I spend my time? Where to pick up girls without going broke?

Prices are higher than in patts I hear, so what should I expect for ST in the different venues?

Are the soapy's worth it? If so, where should I go?

Which gogo's are most likely to have nude girls and some hands on action going on?

I should mention that I'm not particularly green or easily flustered when it comes to working girls. The last decade I've spent a lot of times at FKKs, which also means that I've fucked many pretty Romanians at 100 E and hour or less. Syz, I'm sure you don't remember, but we met once in the glory days of FKK World. Back when Neya and Kate Beckinsale lookalike Andrea were filling their pockets over there.

In any case, any info is appreciated.

FD.[/QUOTE]Free Dude,

I remember you well, of course. Younger and more handsome than me. Not taking any bullshit girls! You were liking the basic cost girls and unhappy with girls giving so-so service for a 50 at Oase, where I was getting fab service but taking an hour and paying much more. Meanwhile Neya and Andrea were great for both of us. Ha ha. Fab bodies on those girls! Would be happy with a Mrs like Andrea. LOL What perfection!

Back to the point. Nude dancing girls can be found at Soi Cowboy in Crazy House, Kazy Kozy, Susie Wong, and 5 Star. Some nice looking girls, some uglies / buffaloes just like an FKK. I suspect you are not going to be happy with what a gogo bar is going to set you back for drinks, barfine and the girl ST (could be a few hundred Baht for drinks, 700 BF, and many girls try for 3000 Baht for Short time now).

For Nana Plaza I recommend Billboard bar. Not nude dancing.

I don't have a favourite Soapy right now. Not easy to find girls that prefer Farangs and low on surgeries. Have a look in La Belle, Colonze, Emmanuelle, maybe Meree or Evita. I don't recall if you accept surgeries girls or not.

Now a great alternative to a Soapy is a Nuru body slide massage. Try Doki Doki (good service for me), maybe New massage on Sukhumvit Soi 33.

For more porn star oriented massage, try Snow White Soi 26. Could get anal for no extra charge. CIM also no extra charge.

More regular Oily massage parlours, try Club 102, Soi 24, and have a look in Soi 24/1 (near to soi 26).

P.S. There are a lot of Ladyboys around on Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza and that may be a new thing for you to watch out for. 5-star bar has Post Op ladyboys that do not dance nude, and normally leave the farang guys alone. I don't let that bother me at all. They don't try to get to me.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2376403]
I will not reveal her name or the exact place she stays as it seems that nobody wants her anyway, she said she arrived around 8 pm that night and I was her first customer at around midnight. Given that both you and Syzigyes probably saw her but did not pay attention to her is a good indication that she is absolutely not worth it.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. That is a negative attitude. At first she sounded similar to my girl, but I think mine was younger and claimed to be a Bangkok girl. I was there early so half the girls had not even showed up yet. Who knows if I saw her or not. I did not patrol the entire Soi. Did not go past the redevelop area (that used to be Raja Hotel etc.). Does not matter. We all have our own taste. I found 3 girls quite different to each other at approx. 8.30PM, all worthy of a second hard look, either with good face, or apparently good body, varying skin colours.

Without a name and place, it devalues the possible usefulness of the report slightly, but no problem, shows okay Girls can be found there and for a reasonable price.

I just remembered having my 2nd try of a girl on Soi 4 a few weeks back that had performed O.K. for me at Boss Massage. 2nd try she was no good to me with weak BJ, and not getting into it, and maybe a sore pussy. ET had previously reported a bomb out with her, so I should have known she was a possibly problematic pick. Forgot the name now. Soi 4 girls will always be hit and miss. Find the right attitude and can work fine.

Some guys will say only dogs on Soi 4 and hot girls seen at Lolytas BJ bar, others can be more realistic. Soi 4 has a much larger pool of girls and looks vary a lot. Years ago I had a hot girl (great ass) called Anne at Lolytas but have not seen a suitable girl since. I will try any venue that starts to give a reasonable success rate with reasonable lookers and value for money. Did one reasonable Kasilong girl but forget who she was now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2376850]Ha ha. That is a negative attitude. At first she sounded similar to my girl, but I think mine was younger and claimed to be a Bangkok girl.

Without a name and place, it devalues the possible usefulness of the report slightly[/QUOTE]I didn't give specific details that could lead to her because she's got many regular customers that are probably reading this forum. She was very nice with me and I wouldn't want that any of these guys go to her and tells her that I detailed my encounter with her on the internet.

I 'm sure that she didn't have many customers that spent almost the whole session with their finger in her ass even when we were just talking together.

The purpose of the post was to show that we can still find cute girls that are still young with a nice body and very good attitude at an affordable price in that soi, even for a guy like me that doesn't like much of these FL's.

I'm sure that she is not the same girl that you had, she doesn't fit your description.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2376728]I'll take a white skinned Chinese featured Viet over a dark skinned Isaan gal any day.[/QUOTE]By reading your posts one would easily believe that all the Thai working girls are "dark skin Essaan gals".

They are not all dark skinned and can come in very different shape.

Actually a lot of the girls with a light color skin are coming from Essaan also, and the color of the skin shouldn't be a factor. The shape of the face and body should be more appropriate to judge the beauty of a girl.

Hi all, I am on my way to LOS for my fall excursion. I was just wondering. Has anything changed at SW? I used to take a girl back to my hotel for some fun and games and it was always all inclusive. With regard to Nana hotel FL, over the years, I have been incredibly lucky, all things considered. Nice looking young girls and full service for no more than 1500 tops. I hope that has not changed these days I seldom see the same girl again. They seem to move on faster than ever before. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2376983]By reading your posts one would easily believe that all the Thai working girls are "dark skin Essaan gals".

They are not all dark skinned and can come in very different shape.

Actually a lot of the girls with a light color skin are coming from Essaan also, and the color of the skin shouldn't be a factor. The shape of the face and body should be more appropriate to judge the beauty of a girl.[/QUOTE]You are correct, not all are, but most are. Yes, there are some lighter gals from Isaan, namely the ones from Nakhon Phanom. Should be? Ever dude has his own standard.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2377176]Should be? Ever dude has his own standard.[/QUOTE]You're right, I didn't express myself correctly.

I was giving my personal view and didn't try to say others what they should or shouldn't do.

To say it in other words, as you I mostly prefer white skinned Asian girls but when I find a girl with a body shape that I like with a cute enough face and a good attitude I don't let the skin color being a big factor in my decision.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2377176]You are correct, not all are, but most are. Yes, there are some lighter gals from Isaan, namely the ones from Nakhon Phanom. Should be? Ever dude has his own standard.[/QUOTE]It may surprise you but even Buriram supplies some light skinned girls. Yes it was a surprise when I met one, recently.

When the girl is extra dark skinned and short, the we tend to guess Buriram or Surin, but when she is normal coloured or light skin it becomes very hard to guess. I don't see any major pattern. Udon and Khon Kaen girls tend to be taller on average in my experience. Perhaps Chiang Rai girls are lighter skin on average, and not many really dark, but means little for individuals. In the North face shapes vary a lot too. Some girls have a very broad jaw almost square head, that I don't go for. Some have a slimmer face.

One girl I knew a long time but have not fucked as yet (maybe soon to be rectified) comes from Songkhla / Hatyai yet I had no idea where she came from whatsoever. She had not been using southern accent noticeably. Reasonably light skin. I sort of guessed somewhere north of Bangkok. My very first girl from Songkhla / Satun looked so much like an Isaan girl, that Isaan people would speak to her in Isaan language and be annoyed she answered in Thai.

In general, gross generalisations about what girls look like by province does not work, but certain looks can suggest a particular set of provinces is likely. The most stand out look would be a really dark short Buriram girl, I guess. Many southern Thais also may not look very Thai at all.

If I like a girl, I don't give a shit where she comes from, as long as she won't get lynched for playing up due to religious problems. I actually don't care much how old she is either, although we have the legal problem of some very young mothers wanting to work as hookers.

Skin tone does not matter that much, although a more golden brown looks more attractive to me than dingy grey / brown or charcoal / brown. I have a few favourite "black" porn stars with nice skin, e. G. Nia Nacci. Very even toned skin can be nice in many different shades.

Blotchy uneven coloured faces can put me off. One girl I knew for years developed blotchy coloured face. Made her look a bit old.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2376904]I didn't give specific details that could lead to her because she's got many regular customers that are probably reading this forum. She was very nice with me and I wouldn't want that any of these guys go to her and tells her that I detailed my encounter with her on the internet.

I 'm sure that she didn't have many customers that spent almost the whole session with their finger in her ass even when we were just talking together.

The purpose of the post was to show that we can still find cute girls that are still young with a nice body and very good attitude at an affordable price in that soi, even for a guy like me that doesn't like much of these FL's.

I'm sure that she is not the same girl that you had, she doesn't fit your description.[/QUOTE]Yes I stopped posting blow by blow reports about girls, after one dude printed my post and read it out to Aor from Annies, and overseas, guys had quoted what I wrote directly to girls as well. That is really destructive for the forum to contain good info. In modern day have girls that read the forum too.

It was lucky that I had only good things to say about those girls, however one was still annoyed. One of my regular girls in Germany however, dropped me, as she had promised her big money regular jealous customer, she would not take me any more. He was pissed off that the girl had a good time with me, after reading my detailed forum report, when he had thought he was her sole favourite. This was the girl's story, of course I can't prove it is factual. However it is a strange story if she made it up as a reason to stop fucking me. If her pussy had been out of action after an extended fuck, she could have just stated that plainly. She was an older girl but outstandingly good time on the bed. She was really into it (with some customers).

These days I still mention specific girls. If they don't get a great rap, I don't care if they find out. At least was honest assessment. If they get a glowing report, it can help them to get more business. We should be helping each other to know which girls can potentially be great or disastrous, even though practical help is rare.

Knowing where some specific girl has turned up working is quite valuable.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2377220]Yes I stopped posting blow by blow reports about girls, after one dude printed my post and read it out to Aor from Annies[/QUOTE]I guess your theory of never posting any pictures of the girls you have been with doesn't work when you are typing up reports specifically using the girl's names and location.

But is there really any need to tell us about any specific girl? Just talking about which places are good to try is enough if you ask me.

I've been on this forum since the 90's, even before the name of the forum was internationalsexguide. It used to be world sex guide, then they changed it about 20 years ago. In all those years, I have never taken any guy's advice on any particular girl. I've never seen the need. Most times when I do see the girls that guys are recommending, they don't interest me anyway.

I prefer to see photos of the girls rather than reports of encounters with no photos that give the girl's name.

That being said, there are the guys like the one you mentioned who show the girls the photos or read the girls the reports. I've never understood those type of assholes, but they are out there. As long as you keep that in mind when you post, it's all good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2377217]It may surprise you but even Buriram supplies some light skinned girls. Yes it was a surprise when I met one, recently.

When the girl is extra dark skinned and short, the we tend to guess Buriram or Surin, but when she is normal coloured or light skin it becomes very hard to guess. I don't see any major pattern. Udon and Khon Kaen girls tend to be taller on average in my experience. Perhaps Chiang Rai girls are lighter skin on average, and not many really dark, but means little for individuals. In the North face shapes vary a lot too. Some girls have a very broad jaw almost square head, that I don't go for. Some have a slimmer face.

One girl I knew a long time but have not fucked as yet (maybe soon to be rectified) comes from Songkhla / Hatyai yet I had no idea where she came from whatsoever. She had not been using southern accent noticeably. Reasonably light skin. I sort of guessed somewhere north of Bangkok. My very first girl from Songkhla / Satun looked so much like an Isaan girl, that Isaan people would speak to her in Isaan language and be annoyed she answered in Thai.

In general, gross generalisations about what girls look like by province does not work, but certain looks can suggest a particular set of provinces is likely. The most stand out look would be a really dark short Buriram girl, I guess. Many southern Thais also may not look very Thai at all.

If I like a girl, I don't give a shit where she comes from, as long as she won't get lynched for playing up due to religious problems. I actually don't care much how old she is either, although we have the legal problem of some very young mothers wanting to work as hookers.

Skin tone does not matter that much, although a more golden brown looks more attractive to me than dingy grey / brown or charcoal / brown. I have a few favourite "black" porn stars with nice skin, e. G. Nia Nacci. Very even toned skin can be nice in many different shades.

Blotchy uneven coloured faces can put me off. One girl I knew for years developed blotchy coloured face. Made her look a bit old.[/QUOTE]I have seen some BRR gals that are light skinned and have more Chinese features as well. There is definitely mixed blood there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2376844]Free Dude,

I remember you well, of course. Younger and more handsome than me. Not taking any bullshit girls! You were liking the basic cost girls and unhappy with girls giving so-so service for a 50 at Oase, where I was getting fab service but taking an hour and paying much more. Meanwhile Neya and Andrea were great for both of us. Ha ha. Fab bodies on those girls! Would be happy with a Mrs like Andrea. LOL What perfection!

Back to the point. Nude dancing girls can be found at Soi Cowboy in Crazy House, Kazy Kozy, Susie Wong, and 5 Star. Some nice looking girls, some uglies / buffaloes just like an FKK. I suspect you are not going to be happy with what a gogo bar is going to set you back for drinks, barfine and the girl ST (could be a few hundred Baht for drinks, 700 BF, and many girls try for 3000 Baht for Short time now).

For Nana Plaza I recommend Billboard bar. Not nude dancing.

I don't have a favourite Soapy right now. Not easy to find girls that prefer Farangs and low on surgeries. Have a look in La Belle, Colonze, Emmanuelle, maybe Meree or Evita. I don't recall if you accept surgeries girls or not.

Now a great alternative to a Soapy is a Nuru body slide massage. Try Doki Doki (good service for me), maybe New massage on Sukhumvit Soi 33..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips and info!

I miss those days in World as well, nowadays the whole Frankfurt area has become a place to avoid because of the "flexible" pricing many girls practice. And, not unlike what I read here, the girls that are only interested in Asian clients. Anyway, thanks again.

Couldn't resist another cute ebony I met on Tinder here in BKK. From Kenya she chatted for awhile on Line and agreed to meet for an afternoon. Nika, was cute, educated and spoke English. Performed ok for my tastes. She enjoyed the DATY and came a couple of times. CIM was no problem. 2,500 BHT.

Said she came here on a visit once with her ex and now returned to make a little money. Seems to have traveled around a lot from her profile photos.

She too mentioned there was a street here in BKK where there are a lot of African girls near Soi 4 but I have yet to find it.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2377428]
She too mentioned there was a street here in BKK where there are a lot of African girls near Soi 4 but I have yet to find it.[/QUOTE]Try Soi 7 in evening. Some black girls okay Looking. Any other place with cart bars too.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2377376]Thanks for the tips and info!

I miss those days in World as well, nowadays the whole Frankfurt area has become a place to avoid because of the "flexible" pricing many girls practice. And, not unlike what I read here, the girls that are only interested in Asian clients. Anyway, thanks again.[/QUOTE]My last visit to World was years ago.

I still had some good Oase regulars but it is a long time (months) since my last visit. Nelly was great on first try. Not all girls only interested in Asians, but not many interested in a basic price session.

You certainly can get cheaper in Bangkok and can get girls that are not value for money as well. Overall standard of performance may be lower than what you expect. Start with a porn star shop like Snow White Massage on Sukhumvit Soi 26, if you can find any girls with looks good enough to be doable. All up I suggest you start with cheaper options and gradually move to more costly options so you can see if really worth paying the extra money. I know you are a value for money person.

The problem in massage shops is you usually don't get to interview the girl first to see if she will suit you. So its a lucky dip. Or take some highly recommended girl.

Soapies are lucky dip too. I have not done any great Soapy girls to recommend recently. Nadia in DokiDoki cost me 3700 Baht for 90 minutes. She was really good despite bolt-ONS. That is well over 100 Euros but got good service for the 90 minutes with body slide.

In Thermae café, price is reasonable, but many girls are looking for quickie with an Asian. My success rate there is really poor. Try some nudie bars but remember expensive. I like to try girls on street in Soi 4 sometimes if can find one with suitable looks. It is hit and miss but can get a girl for 1000 to 1500 Baht which is a better price than most options. That is comparable to a 50 Euro booking in an FKK.

In the end you have to realise that Bangkok is not actually that cheap, but you can get more time for your money than at FKK. I always took at least 60 minutes in FKK anyway so was not cheap for me.

If you get a girl to go with you for whole night, that becomes value for money, but be clear to find out what time she needs to leave and how many fucks will be possible.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2377428]She too mentioned there was a street here in BKK where there are a lot of African girls near Soi 4 but I have yet to find it.[/QUOTE]Try to have a look at soi 3. When you come from Sukhumvit it's not far on the right side of the street. A few years ago there was a kind of small disco around there where you have to enter a door and then go upstairs (by lift maybe but not sure). I think there was some African style stickers on the door downstairs. I've never been myself but there was a report about that place a few years ago and I personally saw some of these girls entering that door. I don't know if it's still there but you should go have a look and ask around for the black disco maybe.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2377243]I guess your theory of never posting any pictures of the girls you have been with doesn't work when you are typing up reports specifically using the girl's names and location.

I prefer to see photos of the girls rather than reports of encounters with no photos that give the girl's name.

That being said, there are the guys like the one you mentioned who show the girls the photos or read the girls the reports. I've never understood those type of assholes, but they are out there. As long as you keep that in mind when you post, it's all good.[/QUOTE]Essentially if we post photos of girls, doing anything sexual, we are outing them as hookers for the whole world to see, including Friends and family. That is the problem.

With a regular girl, she could be very pissed off by her photo appearing. If her face does not appear nor identifying marks, that helps.

Naming a girl (nickname) is not so bad as is not proof the girl is a hooker. Hundreds of girls could have the same nickname, and many girls are working under a pseudonym anyway. E. g. Other day mentioned Nira. Its not her real name, so it only seeks to advertise for guys that have a similar spec to me, to go have a look if they like her.

I do agree that I have almost never benefitted from a specific girl recommendation, always making my own choice, but others do benefit. They can at least have a look at the girl to see if she appeals.

Certainly some famous girls got tried based on their good reputation. E. g. Yok, Dao, Nestle at Tulip, Aor at Annies, many others. I even tried a highly recommended girl at S. W. Once and was disappointed. Bolt-ONS and GFE not good. Forgot name now. Learned the lesson though to stick to my own choice. Famous girls Cheer and Vodkha came recommended but I was disappointed by them, Cheer not hot enough for looks, and Vodkha pathetic non performance.

I certainly think recommended specific girls is not useful, if the poster cannot clearly state what made the girl so great and what her less good aspects are. We don't want girls oversold. Only realistic reports.

A report on a girl could influence me, if I am undecided to try her or not. Would rarely change my mind completely. I know what I like can vary greatly from another guy. There are some posters where I like their particular taste. Natty Bumpo chooses generally my type of girl for looks, with odd exception (surgeries usually). So if Natty tells me a girl is fab, I could believe. We once went in one of the Rainbows. His girl selected (already known) was by far the best girl in the bar to my eye. Lovely. Bad luck she was taken. She didn't last at that bar. Probably not suited to it. A very different style of girl. I chatted to another girl, but decided she was a not a good choice, and left empty handed. The bar improved though once a few girls took their tops off and could see they had nice real tits. Before that, the tits were an unknown.

If I see girls regularly privately, not in a specific bar or MP, then I don't name them. Some want to be very secret and may have unusual names.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2376728]Well, I always see one or two Thai gals that are doable. But, venture farther down the street and some of the Viets just blow the Thai gals out of the water. White skin, great facial features (non-surgically enhanced for the most part), and some ripping bodies combined with that great aggressive intense Vietnamese attitude. I'll take a white skinned Chinese featured Viet over a dark skinned Isaan gal any day.[/QUOTE]A lot of talk about Viet girls. I grew up in a city with a lot of Viets. I used a travel agent with a stunning Viet girl once but she is really the only one I recall as super stunning. Most Viet girls in my home country were not that stunning and certainly not trying to be sexy either. Conservative. Unlike Thais and Filippinas, Viet girls did not mix greatly with the western community.

I searched for what Viet beauty is supposed to look like and include pics from web. The two single girls pics are my types. Could just as easily be Thais maybe. In the group pic, which are the best? I would probably pick top right girl (despite darker skin), even if none are really my spec, and top left as 2nd best (despite hairdo and nose job). Bottom left looks like a LB to me. I don't go for plastic looks is well known. Does Vietnam really have a lot of stunners or actually very few, based on my experience in home country?

Could easily be I have never fucked a Viet girl, or not knowingly. A buddy had a Viet GF, but she was not impressive. I have probably done girls from every SE Asian and East Asian country except for Vietnam, and also no native Balinese (not that pretty after age 16). Missed some Micronesian countries too. Ha ha. Despite no Viet girls done, I have done plenty of black girls from West Indies region and some from Africa. So clearly light skin is not driving me at all.

Also known in Germany as Biergarten has been a regular mid afternoon stop for me this trip. Just a plug to say they have really decent food there and good happy hour crowd. Curry chicken and crispy pork are my favorites. I will also say that the freelance quality seems to have improved over my visit last year. Couple of thin, younger looking ones could be doable. Great place for afternoon scouting.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2377553]Also known in Germany as Biergarten has been a regular mid afternoon stop for me this trip. Just a plug to say they have really decent food there and good happy hour crowd. Curry chicken and crispy pork are my favorites. I will also say that the freelance quality seems to have improved over my visit last year. Couple of thin, younger looking ones could be doable. Great place for afternoon scouting.[/QUOTE]"Could be doable". Not sounding sure. So you did not do any girls? Recommending only for he food in non air con environment? Not quite following. O.K. They do serve food. That is something.

Seems like your post just teases us slightly saying so little in the "plug". I would love more detail.

I make a great Masaman Chicken curry myself with all the spices. I never order it in Bangkok, because it usually is crappy, made so quickly, with not best ingredients. Needs to stew for extended time. Good curries taste better the 2nd day as well. In fact I never order coconut cream type curries at all. Hard to get a really good one. My exception is Hor Mok which is a curry set firm by egg white to become jelly like and often in a banana leaf. Best with fish and veg filling.

My point probably is I doubt we will go there for the food unless it is really special indeed. So more specifics about trying great girls would be better, or why the food is really outstanding. If you did some really hot girl, don't be shy, you can say so. If not, then that speaks for itself. I might be willing to go have a look there if I think the girls are better than Soi 4 for example. I have no clue about Beer Garden girl price ranges too.

BTW, There is an O.K. glass booth Thai food shop on Soi 4. I ate there a few times. Ha ha! Just stirring a little. Its not very relevant to getting a girl.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2376708]She told me where most of the black girls hang out and mentioned this African-Caribbean club down the road.[/QUOTE]Excellent Intel.

Where is this club?

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2377553]Also known in Germany as Biergarten has been a regular mid afternoon stop for me this trip. Just a plug to say they have really decent food there and good happy hour crowd. Curry chicken and crispy pork are my favorites. I will also say that the freelance quality seems to have improved over my visit last year. Couple of thin, younger looking ones could be doable. Great place for afternoon scouting.[/QUOTE]The food and the music are great. The ladies are what they are. All I have talked to and taken have been very GFE. I don't like dealing with the bullshit in gogo bars. The buy me a drink, the Hussle to pay the bar fine, and the over all bad treatment that come from the girls.

You won't find any 8's 9's or 10's in the Beer Garden, but the ones you find are not in a hurry and they will give you the service you desire at a price that is realistic. No bar fine, and if your a real Cheap Charlie, no LD's.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2377691]The food and the music are great. The ladies are what they are. All I have talked to and taken have been very GFE. I don't like dealing with the bullshit in gogo bars. The buy me a drink, the Hussle to pay the bar fine, and the over all bad treatment that come from the girls.

You won't find any 8's 9's or 10's in the Beer Garden, but the ones you find are not in a hurry and they will give you the service you desire at a price that is realistic.
...

RL.[/QUOTE]Are you finding that to be true if the service you desire is BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIP? Or is that not the level of GFE you generally ask for or expect?

I can't say I have gotten that level of Real Sex/True GFE service I desire at a realistic price with any Beer Garden Soi 7 lady above a 5 rating in looks out of dozens of encounters and chats during the past 5+ years.

I do find the food to be generally ok at a reasonable price but the music is often too loud for a place that is really all about chatting up the person next to you, not dancing and not sitting mute while watching girls dance on a stage. There is no reason to have it cranked up so loud two people sitting right next to each other have to raise their voices and repeat things over and over again to be heard and understood.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2377553]Also known in Germany as Biergarten has been a regular mid afternoon stop for me this trip. Just a plug to say they have really decent food there and good happy hour crowd. Curry chicken and crispy pork are my favorites. I will also say that the freelance quality seems to have improved over my visit last year. Couple of thin, younger looking ones could be doable. Great place for afternoon scouting.[/QUOTE]I like the crispy pork too. Quite nomnom. Unfortunately, any dessert is hit and miss. I pop my face in once a week or so and it's pretty hideous overall.

African girls are at the cart bars on Soi 7. Usually the dregs.

Took a quick run around the area on my way home on Wed. Thermae was full of hotties. There is one girl there who I have been watching for about a year, she has an absolutely gorgeous face and sometimes silver streaks in her hair, but she has a facial expression like she sucked lemons and is possibly, no indeed probably, one of those girls who knows she is good-looking and is just going to starfish you. I don't think she's enamored of farang either. But I think the time is coming when I am going to try to do her, and if she complies, I'm going to wipe that sour expression off of her face.

The best thing about Thermae is that half the time I'm in there, I'm the only white guy. I'm in there so much some of the regular girls there say Hi to me.

The street girls on Nana were predictably hideous. I love to watch the cheap Charlie's work these girls. I mean really? Arguing over 200 baht? The best was when I saw some old skeezy farang spend like 10 minutes talking to a girl and evidently a deal couldn't be reached. He left, and then the girl took off with an Indian guy. Winner.

I also wandered around Nana and cowboy, poking my head in here and there, buying a lady drink here and there for a couple of coyotes (pretties) I bang once in a while. I probably saw a dozen other coyotes overall who I recognized as being local pretties. For you tourists and occasional visitors, don't waste your time on coyotes and definitely don't waste your time on pretties, they take a little bit of work. If you do have the time, and have the money and game, pretties are the best.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2377739]...
The best was when I saw some old skeezy farang spend like 10 minutes talking to a girl and evidently a deal couldn't be reached. He left, and then the girl took off with an Indian guy. Winner.

I also wandered around Nana and cowboy, poking my head in here and there, buying a lady drink here and there for a couple of coyotes (pretties) I bang once in a while. I probably saw a dozen other coyotes overall who I recognized as being local pretties. For you tourists and occasional visitors, don't waste your time on coyotes and definitely don't waste your time on pretties, they take a little bit of work. If you do have the time, and have the money and game, pretties are the best.[/QUOTE]That old skeezy farang might have been me hitting up a girl for either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM vs the next guy who is fine with covered everything, except I never spend 10 minutes on the question on the street before getting a Yes or No and moving on with or without the girl accordingly. Closer to 30 seconds usually, if that much.

If by Coyotes/Pretties in Nana Plaza you are talking about the better looking door girls or the girls (the real females) who are hired to stand outside the bars holding up signs for a bar and trying to entice the customers into the bars, I have gotten some of my fastest and easiest upfront agreements for BBFS+CIP with those girls. Not so on Soi Cowboy though. I mean, not so with the ones on Soi Cowboy who tell you to your face they will not go barfine or back to your room when asked, of which there are many on that Soi. But the so-called Coyotes/Pretties in Nana Plaza have been some of my easiest deals to close for BBFS+CIP and never for more than, say, 500 baht above the going rate.

Interestingly, girls who work as Pretties (stand-out product reps in the various malls) that I have met on the dating sites are also quite easy to close a BBFS+CIP deal with compared to others. I have met and done 4-5 of them on the dating sites over the past couple of years.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2377594]Excellent Intel.

Where is this club?[/QUOTE]Can't remember the name but I'll ask again tonight and try to get more intel. When talking to others they said its too dark, too loud and everyone is smoking weed in there. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2377739]I like the crispy pork too. Quite nomnom. Unfortunately, any dessert is hit and miss. I pop my face in once a week or so and it's pretty hideous overall.

African girls are at the cart bars on Soi 7. Usually the dregs.
[/QUOTE]My recent quick look, I thought the black girls on Soi 7 early evening were above average for Bangkok, which is not really rating them just relative, having seen huge numbers of uglies in former times. If these are the dregs, please mention where the good ones are.

Do you simply mean the standard of black girls in Bangkok is generally poor? That I agree with. Only saw one super hot one I wanted to do badly in the last 2 years, but could not go for her with too many people knowing me in that place.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2377799]My recent quick look, I thought the black girls on Soi 7 early evening were above average for Bangkok, which is not really rating them just relative, having seen huge numbers of uglies in former times. If these are the dregs, please mention where the good ones are.

Do you simply mean the standard of black girls in Bangkok is generally poor? That I agree with. Only saw one super hot one I wanted to do badly in the last 2 years, but could not go for her with too many people knowing me in that place.[/QUOTE]I said what I said. Fugly flabby dirty looking big assed black monsters with feet like flippers and no dress sense. They are there soley to satisfy the needs of Arabs, Indians and those degenerate, desperate falangs who have been crawling around the jungles too long. Gross. For you guys that want that (an us Americans can get all the dark meat we want in the states and they are hella better looking). These ogs can be found on Soi 7 and sometimes Soi 4 down the street a ways. In my 30 ish years of coming to BKK, I have never seen a hot African chick. They only started arriving anyway after the Arab rush began in the late 80's.

The Lineup was fab last night, Friday, at Rainbow 3 and Thermae, but horrible at Mixx.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2377734]Are you finding that to be true if the service you desire is BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIP? Or is that not the level of GFE you generally ask for or expect?

I can't say I have gotten that level of Real Sex/True GFE service I desire at a realistic price with any Beer Garden Soi 7 lady above a 5 rating in looks out of dozens of encounters and chats during the past 5+ years.

I do find the food to be generally ok at a reasonable price but the music is often too loud for a place that is really all about chatting up the person next to you, not dancing and not sitting mute while watching girls dance on a stage. There is no reason to have it cranked up so loud two people sitting right next to each other have to raise their voices and repeat things over and over again to be heard and understood.[/QUOTE]Have a few drinks and put on your beer googles and start talking to the ones on the right side as you enter. I've never paid over 2000 baht for a 2 hour service. Complete 3 hole if you desire, no condom, CIM, CIP, or on their chest. No bar fine, cheap LD's, and most are as horney as you are. The last one I took gave a great cat bath rim job.

After the first round she started crying and telling me about her problems. I stopped her in her tracts saying, I paid you for service not to listen to your problems. She got back to work on the second round and continued with satisfactory service.

The music is not that loud compared to the Go Go Bars. I hate CH because of the loud and terrible music. BG's music is acceptable and I love classic rock.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2377972]
The music is not that loud compared to the Go Go Bars. I hate CH because of the loud and terrible music. BG's music is acceptable and I love classic rock.

RL.[/QUOTE]Many bars have a problem with their DJ. He may be too smart doing blending, use too much volume, and also use what someone described as "car alarm" stuff. Some young girls working in these places claimed to like the car alarm stuff.

There in lies a problem. Went to Jungle Jims and an old Farang was monopolizing the music selection. He chose really heavy rock videos not very musical mostly yelling from artists mostly unknown to me maybe from the Status Quo / Black Sabath / Suzie Q era (but not that good), not the big name rock stars, and frankly it was also horrible stuff to my ear, and the girls could not at all dance to it. The musical instrumentation was pretty rudimentary and poor in times long gone by. Live performances maybe.

I think they need to choose a compromise some where in between. Something danceable but pleasant to expat ear, does not have to be all very ancient, and I think some latin stuff can be a big help. Certainly the music has to appeal to the main customer age group, but not be too awful to the young girls. Some bars have got it pretty right, and some have got it very wrong. Crazy House has always been far too loud, and some really shit music, some acceptable. Does not seem to have scared all the customers away.

After 5 star take over, it moved to purely car alarm stuff and was far worse than Crazy House. I think they partially rectified it a bit, but still woeful.

Shark as example is better these days, but I still don't see girls readily able to dance to it. Sheba used to be a bar with a great selection unfortunately closed several years now.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2377972]Have a few drinks and put on your beer googles and start talking to the ones on the right side as you enter. I've never paid over 2000 baht for a 2 hour service. Complete 3 hole if you desire, no condom, CIM, CIP, or on their chest. No bar fine, cheap LD's, and most are as horney as you are. The last one I took gave a great cat bath rim job.

After the first round she started crying and telling me about her problems. I stopped her in her tracts saying, I paid you for service not to listen to your problems. She got back to work on the second round and continued with satisfactory service.

The music is not that loud compared to the Go Go Bars. I hate CH because of the loud and terrible music. BG's music is acceptable and I love classic rock.

RL.[/QUOTE]Hmm. You mean the ones sitting on the stools at your right side as you enter? And the ones gathered around the first bar area straight ahead just as you pass the ones on the stools?

Yep. Chatted up a few from those areas. Some even lept off their perch and followed me to the front of the bar in the rear of the room, closer to the toilets.

The answers were still No and No (BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM). For me, that is. Mind you, I am not much of a drinker, never get so drunk I lose normal vision and am only talking about the 6's or better from among them.

However, it has been a few months I think since the last time I met and chatted with a girl there. She said No and Yes (to the BBBJ+CIM). But it turned out she was lying. She was a Cum Dodger at crunch time. Waste of 1,000 baht, an hour of my life and a precious ejaculate. Or it might have been 1,500 baht, I have forgotten.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2377540]A lot of talk about Viet girls. I grew up in a city with a lot of Viets. I used a travel agent with a stunning Viet girl once but she is really the only one I recall as super stunning. Most Viet girls in my home country were not that stunning and certainly not trying to be sexy either. Conservative. Unlike Thais and Filippinas, Viet girls did not mix greatly with the western community.

I searched for what Viet beauty is supposed to look like and include pics from web. The two single girls pics are my types. Could just as easily be Thais maybe. In the group pic, which are the best? I would probably pick top right girl (despite darker skin), even if none are really my spec, and top left as 2nd best (despite hairdo and nose job). Bottom left looks like a LB to me. I don't go for plastic looks is well known. Does Vietnam really have a lot of stunners or actually very few, based on my experience in home country?

Could easily be I have never fucked a Viet girl, or not knowingly. A buddy had a Viet GF, but she was not impressive. I have probably done girls from every SE Asian and East Asian country except for Vietnam, and also no native Balinese (not that pretty after age 16). Missed some Micronesian countries too. Ha ha. Despite no Viet girls done, I have done plenty of black girls from West Indies region and some from Africa. So clearly light skin is not driving me at all.[/QUOTE]The place to fuck Viet Girls is China! Go figure. Climate is poor right now but Judy's and Manhattan in Shanghai are almost exclusively Viet. I think Viet is one of the prettiest girls in the world.

On Seeking Arrangement I saw a Viet Korean mix. Wow. Very nice. And am considering a girl who is Viet, Korean, and Mexican. OMG I love her pics. What a mix! ❤.

Oh and definitely upper right by a wide margin. Then lower right. Only one I really dislike is middle top. Too mannish for me.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2377937]I said what I said. Fugly flabby dirty looking big assed black monsters with feet like flippers and no dress sense..........[/QUOTE]These girls are not for pansies. Only true studs will get with them. Studs do not discriminate. STUDS DOMINATE! If you can satisfy them then go to the head of the class.

I met quite a few hot Viets in Macau. The specific MP was Familia Nobre. When in Thailand, I always avoid as bad service and poor attitude is almost always to be expected.

The hottest Viet I ever enjoyed was a girl on Cat Ba Island off the coast of Haiphong. It was at a massage parlor on main drag. I kept going back every night. There was a hotel down the street from there that cost me $8 a night and had a patio with a dramatic view of the harbor and town strip. The girls from the MP, including this girl, would walk down the street around sunset and hand out pamphlets advertising their massage services. I still remember the one I visited used to wear a cute chiffon type tangerine colored dress. Unfortunately, not much else to do there after exploring the nearby bay so finally returned to the mainland.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2378058]The place to fuck Viet Girls is China! Go figure. Climate is poor right now but Judy's and Manhattan in Shanghai are almost exclusively Viet. I think Viet is one of the prettiest girls in the world.

On Seeking Arrangement I saw a Viet Korean mix. Wow. Very nice. And am considering a girl who is Viet, Korean, and Mexican. OMG I love her pics. What a mix! ❤.

Oh and definitely upper right by a wide margin. Then lower right. Only one I really dislike is middle top. Too mannish for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2377937]desperate falangs who have been crawling around the jungles too long.[/QUOTE]That sounds like me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2378058]The place to fuck Viet Girls is China! Go figure...[/QUOTE]Actually, there are many places, outside of Vietnam, that are full of Viet chicks, not just China. How about Singapore, Macau, Phnom Penh, Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2378208]Actually, there are many places, outside of Vietnam, that are full of Viet chicks, not just China. How about Singapore, Macau, Phnom Penh, Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I have shagged super hot Viet girls, as hot as any girls I have ever had, in Singapore (Brix Bar) and Jakarta (Hotel Alexis -now closed) and while it is true that there are a hell of a lot of Viet girls in Macau Saunas, my personal observation and experience is that the best looking sauna girls are Chinese (Mainland and Taiwan) and "Korean". I don't know why.

When I first visited Phnom Penh, almost 18 years ago, there were plenty of attractive Viet girls around, but this is not the case anymore. As for China; I think the good times there have mostly come to an end. I have no desire to go back to Shanghai or HKG both of which used to have a large contingent of attractive Viet working girls.

It's too bad Vietnam is rather punter unfriendly when it comes to the pursuit of our favorite sport. I would go there on my next trip if it were a little less hassle to pick up hot Viet girls there.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2378218] {Snip}

It's too bad Vietnam is rather punter unfriendly when it comes to the pursuit of our favorite sport. I would go there on my next trip if it were a little less hassle to pick up hot Viet girls there.[/QUOTE]Not too sure Natty when you were last in Vietnam, but I have stayed in District 1 in HCM twice in the past six months and had no difficulty. Staying in a 5 star I found the hotel Concierge and WeCaht very helpful. Price seemed to be in the 1. 5 M dong for about two hours, delivered to your room.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2378058]
Oh and definitely upper right by a wide margin. Then lower right. Only one I really dislike is middle top. Too mannish for me.[/QUOTE]Lower right would be 2nd last pic for me. Can't see the one "mannish" at all other than lower left girl looked like a LB to me, possibly with altered jawline. Maybe just an extra fake look about her. Top row look more natural or less obvious surgeries to me. Yes a few nose jobs, although I lack the experience to know the range of typical Viet girl looks, despite so many in the home country. Hardly met one in the work environment, don't know why (Viet males moreso). Did they all become housewives? The problem was they nearly all looked plain, so I payed little attention. Some of the Chinese, Philippina, Indonesian, Thai, etc. Girls were better looking, in the top 10% at least. Also some stunning dark girls from miscellaneous destinations, e. G. Mixed blood Mauritian girls in particular, and some hot Kenyan students.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2378245]Not too sure Natty when you were last in Vietnam, but I have stayed in District 1 in HCM twice in the past six months and had no difficulty. Staying in a 5 star I found the hotel Concierge and WeCaht very helpful. Price seemed to be in the 1. 5 M dong for about two hours, delivered to your room.[/QUOTE]Does this mean the girl was chosen for you. This would not work for most of us. We don't know if 1. 5 M Dong is expensive of not.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2378218] When I first visited Phnom Penh, almost 18 years ago, there were plenty of attractive Viet girls around, but this is not the case anymore.[/QUOTE]Om.

Nom Penh in the late 90's early 00's was amazing. Those Viets were 5 USD ST and could be had LT, and that LT could be from 10 am till the next morning, for 20 USD. They were all pretty skilled as well. And don't think any of them had babies.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2378284]Om.

Nom Penh in the late 90's early 00's was amazing. Those Viets were 5 USD ST and could be had LT, and that LT could be from 10 am till the next morning, for 20 USD. They were all pretty skilled as well. And don't think any of them had babies.[/QUOTE]Can I ask a maybe dumb question. What made Viet girls go to Phnom Penh? Would they not have been better off in Thailand, given Cambodian girls were so cheap? Or perhaps they are not in Cambodia much now due to prices rising so much in Thailand, and perhaps less in Cambodia? Just speculating without personal knowledge.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2378605]Can I ask a maybe dumb question. What made Viet girls go to Phnom Penh? Would they not have been better off in Thailand, given Cambodian girls were so cheap? [/QUOTE]They didn't get a vote. They were paying off their family's debt and went where ever the owner of that debt trafficked them.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2378620]They didn't get a vote. They were paying off their family's debt and went where ever the owner of that debt trafficked them.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. I have not really been with any trafficked girls recently, and no Viet girls. I have to think back to days when I was trying Nataree (long ago) when would meet trafficked or contract girls and before that at Mona Lisa. Some in Europe but they were more secretive, about their personal circumstances.

Never really liked Nataree because of the trafficking situation. Some girls admitted freely where they came from, usually were not very good performers, and others pretended to be from Chiang Rai but sometimes that was doubtful.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2378658]Thanks for that. I have not really been with any trafficked girls recently, and no Viet girls. I have to think back to days when I was trying Nataree (long ago) when would meet trafficked or contract girls and before that at Mona Lisa. Some in Europe but they were more secretive, about their personal circumstances.

Never really liked Nataree because of the trafficking situation. Some girls admitted freely where they came from, usually were not very good performers, and others pretended to be from Chiang Rai but sometimes that was doubtful.[/QUOTE]I'd agree that we operate in a world that is pretty girls and bright lights on the surface but if you dig deeper some areas can get very seedy very quickly.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2378620]They didn't get a vote. They were paying off their family's debt and went where ever the owner of that debt trafficked them.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I would say that in the seedier areas you are probably correct, however the town was littered with Viet FLs at the time. In the mid-00's the Cambodian gov made a push to get rid of the Viet working girls and did.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2378620]They didn't get a vote. They were paying off their family's debt and went where ever the owner of that debt trafficked them.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Whilst this answer is correct its not entirely accurate. The Viet girls in pp now and especially from the 90's are not Viet nationals IE no Vietnamese passport or ID card. Instead these girls are ones whose parents went to Cambodia for opportunities pre khymer rouge days and was stuck there and so now live in Cambodia without Cambodian passport or ID card due to Cambodian racist attitudes towards Vietnamese. So yes once they incur debts they cannot go overseas to earn more nor can the debt owners traffic them overseas. You can still find Vietnamese Cambodians working in local brothels for 10 usd, though now with all the foreigners, Vietnamese girls who are generally better looking than Cambodians know they can get premium prices, so much so that Vietnamese nationals often go to Cambodia to earn more than they do in Vietnamese.

You don't even need to go back to 90's in 2008 it was still 5 usd, 10 usd if you didn't bargain.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2378247]Does this mean the girl was chosen for you. This would not work for most of us. We don't know if 1. 5 M Dong is expensive of not.[/QUOTE]With the hotel concierge I had to take what was on offer, but I could have refused for the price of the "taxi" fare. Not sure what that would have been, but not much I assume as 1. 5 m Dong is about US $75-80 ish so the bank won't be broken. With WeChat you take your chances based on the fact that the ladies pictures could be old / Photoshopped / not real.

Both of my hotel transactions were at the New World in District 1, both had the same weird intro. The girls rung my room when they were close to arriving in the hotel and both times the girls asked me to meet them in the foyer. Once I got to the foyer and I was identified as the right person the girl rushed over to me with a bottle of wine, very publicly and theatrically given to me. The purpose which I found out later was to give the impression we were long acquainted friends to avail us of easy access to my room. I thought this was very generous of the ladies until I went to have a drink of the wine a few days later. Revolting, and I assume VERY cheap!

The girls were a bit hit and miss. The girl the concierge got me was fine and strongly performed. The WeChat lady was very forgettable with the worst baby damage I have witnessed. In the case of the latter, thankfully vitamin V came to the rescue or it just wasn't going to happen.

(Late acknowledgement that I could also has posted this in the VN forum.)

[QUOTE=Stykler;2378887]With the hotel concierge I had to take what was on offer, but I could have refused for the price of the "taxi" fare. Not sure what that would have been, but not much I assume as 1. 5 m Dong is about US $75-80 ish so the bank won't be broken. With WeChat you take your chances based on the fact that the ladies pictures could be old / Photoshopped / not real.

(Late acknowledgement that I could also has posted this in the VN forum.)[/QUOTE]Thanks, a nice report. It is useful to get a comparison for us who have never mongered in Vietnam. In fact I have not been there. I once intended to holiday there, but accidently obtained a Thai GF first, so why would I want to go to Vietnam when could go to Thailand with her? Even today, I am hampered that I can't secretly visit countries, with passport stamps, with no valid reasons. A trip to Pattaya would be much easier since no extra passport markings.

I could do a Visa run to Vietnam though if it looked attractive, however, tend to take the quickest and cheapest these days.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2378673]I'd agree that we operate in a world that is pretty girls and bright lights on the surface but if you dig deeper some areas can get very seedy very quickly.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I even used to have arguments on this forum about how bad the situation was at Nataree a while before they got closed down. Some guys were denying those things were still going on. Others just turned a blind eye and did not need to know, which I have no problem with. I heard a lot from girls perhaps due to Thai language ability. I used to slip small cash tips to girls secretly at Nataree, because was aware they received virtually nothing from the up front session payment due to their managers receiving the money and "repayment of contract debt".

I hated to see the faces of those guys, some of which could be the girl managers.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2378868]Whilst this answer is correct its not entirely accurate. The Viet girls in pp now and especially from the 90's are not Viet nationals IE no Vietnamese passport or ID card. Instead these girls are ones whose parents went to Cambodia for opportunities pre khymer rouge days and was stuck there and so now live in Cambodia without Cambodian passport or ID card due to Cambodian racist attitudes towards Vietnamese. So yes once they incur debts they cannot go overseas to earn more nor can the debt owners traffic them overseas. You can still find Vietnamese Cambodians working in local brothels for 10 usd, though now with all the foreigners, Vietnamese girls who are generally better looking than Cambodians know they can get premium prices, so much so that Vietnamese nationals often go to Cambodia to earn more than they do in Vietnamese.

You don't even need to go back to 90's in 2008 it was still 5 usd, 10 usd if you didn't bargain.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of ethnic Vietnamese living on the Tonle Sap lake. They often have been there for 2 or 3 generations and aren't allowed to become Cambodian nationals due to Cambodian ethnicity laws. They aren't allowed passports so can't leave the country, they can't own land so they live in houses on the lake. Sad situation. In recent years many have been "floating" down river back to Vietnam where they can get residency and eventually a passport and some kind of normal life.

Hi brothers,

I would be visiting bkk this Oct late.

I have been following the forum for sometime.

I have known smoochi, dokidoki, tulip, snow-white from the reports.

Can anyone recommend some therapist from the mentioned spas or additional which aren't mentioned.

I dint find any website for tulip. Heard Ying is one of the best.

I would be visiting huahin also heard there aren't much options.

I like meaty women.

My pm is open.

Thanks.

Kabir.

[QUOTE=Kabir2017;2379232]I like meaty women.[/QUOTE]If you like meaty women, Cherry Massage might suit you. The service standards are similar to Snow White.

[URL]https://cherrymassagebkk.com/massage-ladies/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kabir2017;2379232]
Can anyone recommend some therapist from the mentioned spas or additional which aren't mentioned.
[/QUOTE]What is a Therapist? You should use more straight to the point language so it is very clear.

"Spas" word is normally used for shops with no sex service. So are you talking about real massage with no sexual nature?

[QUOTE]
I like meaty women.
[/QUOTE]Not a problem to find what I would view as overweight women. Beware though a lot of girls with big tits have silicone.

Hi guys,

I will be in Bangcock for a couple of weeks in mid-November. Looking for a wingman or group of guys to go out drinking and "hunting" with. PM me, let's go grab a few beers and trade stories.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2379272]What is a Therapist? You should use more straight to the point language so it is very clear.

"Spas" word is normally used for shops with no sex service. So are you talking about real massage with no sexual nature?

Not a problem to find what I would view as overweight women. Beware though a lot of girls with big tits have silicone.[/QUOTE]Sorry for my wordings which created confusion.

Massage shops with sexual nature (PSE or less).

Therapist = WG.

I want to avoid silicone had bad experience. I like skinny but not too skinny. Meaty means with correct mass at right places like ass legs and boobs.

Apologies for vocabulary.

Thanks,

Kabir.

[QUOTE=IncognitoMode;2379649]Hi guys,

I will be in Bangcock for a couple of weeks in mid-November. Looking for a wingman or group of guys to go out drinking and "hunting" with. PM me, let's go grab a few beers and trade stories.[/QUOTE]Dude you best do your hunting alone IMHO, the gaggle of guys technique is more for partying.

For all you folks overseas who have been there: Hollys near Soi 15 is closed and will become a TomTom Coffee Shop.

Hi Benn,

Thanks. Have you tried anyone from cherry. Can you recommend someone of wild Nature.

They have mentioned prices in the website is that all or do I have to tip them additionally.

Thanks.

Kabir.

[QUOTE=MrBenn;2379255]If you like meaty women, Cherry Massage might suit you. The service standards are similar to Snow White.

[URL]https://cherrymassagebkk.com/massage-ladies/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2379816]Dude you best do your hunting alone IMHO, the gaggle of guys technique is more for partying.

For all you folks overseas who have been there: Hollys near Soi 15 is closed and will become a TomTom Coffee Shop.[/QUOTE]I wondered what happened. One day there. Next day gone.

[QUOTE=Kabir2017;2379923]Hi Benn,

Thanks. Have you tried anyone from cherry. Can you recommend someone of wild Nature..[/QUOTE]Unshaven?

[QUOTE=Kabir2017;2379923]Hi Benn,

Thanks. Have you tried anyone from cherry. Can you recommend someone of wild Nature.

They have mentioned prices in the website is that all or do I have to tip them additionally.

Thanks.

Kabir.[/QUOTE]I have tried Focus. She is wild enough but perhaps too skinny for your taste. The service standards are high at Cherry so the risk of taking an unknown girl, whose body does suit your taste, will probably pay off. You can also check out the "Bangkok Massage Parlors. Except Tulip and Annies!" thread for relevant reports.

The all-inclusive price is 1,900 for 1 hour, 2,100 for 90 minutes or 2,300 for 2 hours. This is paid in advance.

Half of the customers also give a tip at the end but the other half don't. A few hundred baht will put a smile on the girl's face, if you feel so inclined.

If you have the time, please leave a report about your girl on the "Bangkok Massage Parlors" thread.

I wish you luck. Happy mongering!

Hi Bennz,

Saw Google reviews about focus.

I did short list some.

Tulip: Ann and ying.

Snow-white: Emmy, June, Nam, Sunny.

Mango: Ann, Moya.

Analisa: tantrik massage.

Dokidoki:

Thanks.

Kabir.

[QUOTE=MrBenn;2380204]I have tried Focus. She is wild enough but perhaps too skinny for your taste. The service standards are high at Cherry so the risk of taking an unknown girl, whose body does suit your taste, will probably pay off. You can also check out the "Bangkok Massage Parlors. Except Tulip and Annies!" thread for relevant reports.

The all-inclusive price is 1,900 for 1 hour, 2,100 for 90 minutes or 2,300 for 2 hours. This is paid in advance.

Half of the customers also give a tip at the end but the other half don't. A few hundred baht will put a smile on the girl's face, if you feel so inclined.

If you have the time, please leave a report about your girl on the "Bangkok Massage Parlors" thread.

I wish you luck. Happy mongering![/QUOTE]

Hi Nyezhov,

Unshaven no wild as in involved more in the act like a wild cat.

Any recommendations other than Thai WGs.

Thanks.

Kabir.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2380202]Unshaven?[/QUOTE]

All,

Apologies that the following is not in keeping with the spirit of the thread, but I shall try to make it relevant in due course:

Be advised that Sunday 13-October is a dry (I. E. No alcohol sales) day so bars should (Might) stop selling booze from midnight tonight. This being Thailand, enforcement will be variable and seemingly random.

This situation wouldn't have arisen back in the glory days of the 1980's and 1990's (because the King was still alive) or 700's BCE (because The Lord Buddha had not been born). Things just ain't what they used to be here!

[QUOTE=IncognitoMode;2379649]Hi guys,

I will be in Bangcock for a couple of weeks in mid-November. Looking for a wingman or group of guys to go out drinking and "hunting" with. PM me, let's go grab a few beers and trade stories.[/QUOTE]I think we can easily get more like-minded friends in Nana station area, to enjoy the trip in BKK. Really a wonderful place.

For you pervs who live in Phra Kanong / On Nut, there are random checkpoints going on under the Phra Kanong bridge where the you-Turns are. They are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] testing folks. I went through fine the other day in a cab, I don't know what would have happened if I was on a bike myself or driving a car, which neither I do. I have spoken to one younger American dude that pissed blue. The fee was 20 K.

There have also been checkpoints at Ekkamai and Thong Lo.

With weed working its way to the mainstream, and THC extract now being openly sold, it's a moneymaker for the cops. Be careful out there.

Hi brothers,

I have heard that Spasso and mixx are the pickup joints for non Thai / Asian girls like white / Latina / girls. Can anyone recommend any joints or WGs (non Thai / Asian).

Thanks,

Kabir.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2380307]All,

Apologies that the following is not in keeping with the spirit of the thread, but I shall try to make it relevant in due course:

Be advised that Sunday 13-October is a dry (I. E. No alcohol sales) day so bars should (Might) stop selling booze from midnight tonight. This being Thailand, enforcement will be variable and seemingly random.

This situation wouldn't have arisen back in the glory days of the 1980's and 1990's (because the King was still alive) or 700's BCE (because The Lord Buddha had not been born). Things just ain't what they used to be here![/QUOTE]The actual "reason" for no alcohol is to promote good behaviour on "Ork Phansaa" day or end of Buddhist Lent. The Monks come out of retreat. The exact day varies each year depending on phase of the moon. So it a religious holiday. It just so happens that 13 October has been set as anniversary of the King (same each year). This year they just happened to fall on the same day. Monday 14 October is a public holiday in place of Sunday 13th. This is known as "Chot Chery" day or weekday day off in place of holiday which dell on weekend, already a day off for public servants.

In some provinces (not Bangkok) "Loy Krathong" (floating of garland and candle baskets on the water) is held on same day as "Ork Phansaa".

Normally straight after "Ork Phassaa" (end of lent), we have the presentation of robes to the Monks referred to as "Thot Kathin" (this is not a dry day).

Despite Sunday 13th supposedly being a dry day, plenty of people were boozing it up. Just they had to buy their alcohol through less official sources or the day before.

Bars tend to close because the purpose is thought to be for drinking alcohol. Not the case at all for some of us.

On a tangent:

I rarely drink much so does not affect me too much. My major use for alcohol is for "leg opener". I certainly don't need alcohol dulling down my insensitive dick feelings. I try to give up wanking as much as possible, and certainly no over vigorous wanking (and no vigorous hand jobs for me. I don't like HJ), aiming to increase dick sensitivity to a nice pussy also.

Those of you that seem to need assholes (pussy not good enough), might consider giving up wanking as a useful assist also. Also guys should not allow yourselves to get conditioned to nasty porn, also. Just my personal ideas.

Really the everyday restricted hours for alcohol sales is the biggest problem. Not allowed before 11 am and not between 2 pm and 5 pm, is a big nuisance.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2381033]The actual "reason" for no alcohol is to promote good behaviour on "Ork Phansaa" day or end of Buddhist Lent. The Monks come out of retreat. The exact day varies each year depending on phase of the moon. So it a religious holiday. It just so happens that 13 October has been set as anniversary of the King (same each year). This year they just happened to fall on the same day. Monday 14 October is a public holiday in place of Sunday 13th. This is known as "Chot Chery" day or weekday day off in place of holiday which dell on weekend, already a day off for public servants.

In some provinces (not Bangkok) "Loy Krathong" (floating of garland and candle baskets on the water) is held on same day as "Ork Phansaa".

Normally straight after "Ork Phassaa" (end of lent), we have the presentation of robes to the Monks referred to as "Thot Kathin" (this is not a dry day).

Despite Sunday 13th supposedly being a dry day, plenty of people were boozing it up. Just they had to buy their alcohol through less official sources or the day before.

Bars tend to close because the purpose is thought to be for drinking alcohol. Not the case at all for some of us.

On a tangent:

I rarely drink much so does not affect me too much. My major use for alcohol is for "leg opener". I certainly don't need alcohol dulling down my insensitive dick feelings. I try to give up wanking as much as possible, and certainly no over vigorous wanking (and no vigorous hand jobs for me. I don't like HJ), aiming to increase dick sensitivity to a nice pussy also.

Those of you that seem to need assholes (pussy not good enough), might consider giving up wanking as a useful assist also. Also guys should not allow yourselves to get conditioned to nasty porn, also. Just my personal ideas.

Really the everyday restricted hours for alcohol sales is the biggest problem. Not allowed before 11 am and not between 2 pm and 5 pm, is a big nuisance.[/QUOTE]Your contribution to this forum is one of a kind. Thank you for your continued support to assist the expats and those interested in the Thai culture.

RL.

Hello fellas,

I will be travling to Bangkok first time in next week and mostly stying in Conrad hotel. Need lead or guidance to meet young birdies near to me.

[QUOTE=Vikram14;2381173]Hello fellas,

I will be travling to Bangkok first time in next week and mostly stying in Conrad hotel. Need lead or guidance to meet young birdies near to me.[/QUOTE]The Conrad is a very nice hotel, but kind of in the middle of No Man's land as far as punting opportunities. As a BKK newbie, you might enjoy the JW Marriott, the Hyatt Regency, or the Sukhumvit Sofitel which are all of similar class as the Conrad, but have the advantage of being right in the heart of the action with "young birdies" plying their trade right outside their front doors.

Still, from nearest to farthest from the Conrad check out Spasso, Mixx, Nana, Soi 4, Patpong, Soi 11, Thermae, Cowboy, Soi 22, and Soi 24 for starters. For more info you really should RTFF and post some trip reports based on your own experiences wherever. I only saw one actual report from you in your entire 100 post history at the ISG. But good luck hunting all the same.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2381033]On a tangent:

I rarely drink much so does not affect me too much. My major use for alcohol is for "leg opener". I certainly don't need alcohol dulling down my insensitive dick feelings. I try to give up wanking as much as possible, and certainly no over vigorous wanking (and no vigorous hand jobs for me. I don't like HJ), aiming to increase dick sensitivity to a nice pussy also.

Those of you that seem to need assholes (pussy not good enough), might consider giving up wanking as a useful assist also. Also guys should not allow yourselves to get conditioned to nasty porn, also. Just my personal ideas.
[/QUOTE]As usual, unnecessary. I doubt adult men need your advice on sexuality. Nor do we care about your wanking. Why don't you make your contributions more useful by eliminating all your "I, I, I".

These "non alcohol days" in BKK are primarily designed for the "entertainment" venues. I saw restaurants yesterday, including a place where I had a hearty Sunday roast, discretely serving beer, or at least permitting the consumption in a discreet cozy. For those of us that don't drink, it doesn't matter. For you folks with trips planned, there are no more booze free days this year. The next one should be in the middle of February, Maka Bucha Day.

[QUOTE=Kabir2017;2380973]Hi brothers,

I have heard that Spasso and mixx are the pickup joints for non Thai / Asian girls like white / Latina / girls. Can anyone recommend any joints or WGs (non Thai / Asian).

Thanks,

Kabir.[/QUOTE]Spasso and Mixx are replete with Viet, Uzbek and South American girls. Some are pretty horrid, others totally hot. I was blasting an Uzbek girl from there for a while till she got knocked up and went back home.

If you are Indian or Arab you won't get none in either of those places unless you act Western and are willing to pay the price which would be 2-5000 be more than a farang.

Did a quick trip to Bangkok which was my 20th since 2004 when I first visited. Usually stay at Phachara Suites which is the friendliest and quiet place but this time tried the Grande Central Point. Excellent location but the only disadvantage is that the entire hotel is non smoking. I vape so could sneak some in my room but tobaccos smokers will have a problem.

Around 3 pm visited Doki but it was booked solid. Lesson learnt, always make a booking before going there because its extremely popular. Kept walking and ended up in soi 33 at Mitu. Its very hard to find so do use google maps. You get a vile tasting energy drink upon arrival and an ipad to make your selection. Chose Uru and she provided excellent and eager service, willing to do anything. Mitu gets full marks on cleanliness and functionality of rooms.

Thermae is literally five minutes walk from the hotel and at around 8-9 pm, you don't even need to get inside because hundreds (I know I am exaggerating) of girls are spilling over on the street and are ready to negotiate. Didn't go there because I had something else on my mind.

Visited Mixx around midnight and the quality was horrible especially of the Central Asians. There are a few good lookers but they are for show only, not for hire. The Russians are living in a dream land asking for 10-12 thousand Baht per night and the most you can do for them is not to laugh in their faces. Found a Cambodian beauty who was willing to go for 6,000 for the night. Excellent body, great skin and complete GFE.

Finished the trip with a farewell visit to Doki which always lives up to its name and doesn't give an opportunity to complain.

Stay happy guys.

When the time comes to fly out of Thailand after having been there only a few days for the last year I always tend to go back to the basics in my last days.

These basics are basically the things that I know I will miss during the time I will be back home having to deal with my shitty life. That can be a simple and good Thai food, an hour of foot massage in a shop that I like, some relaxation in the only sauna that I know, taking a coffee in a good coffee shop or visiting a PSE massage shop that often delivers good stuffs and the list can go on and on.

One thing that I'm sure to miss is the ambiance on soi 4 at night. When I'm in BKK I go there only two or three times during my whole time but strangely it's something that I miss when I'm back home.

I went there in the night of Wednesday last week and just took a sit in the Hillary4, ordered my cold beer and watched the meat market from midnight to 2 am.

On a note site, I really appreciated the staff in that bar, waitresses were very polite and never came to bother me and most importantly the working girls in the bar didn't come to disturb me (in the opposite of a bar like Stumble Inn were the WG are very annoying and disrespectful for example).

Hillary4 is very well located, just in front of Hooters where most of the girls are standing.

That night there was a girl that clearly stood out of the whole package of streetwalkers there, she was slim, had a beautiful and classy dress, a nice handbag, you could see she did put some effort in her looks on the contrary of most other girls that look like they took the first cloth they found in their room and didn't care much about their looks.

Her effort did pay off because she attracted almost all the potential customers during that time frame. I didn't count but I would say that approximately twenty guys came to talk with her. First stereotype gone in trash (the place is only filled with dogs).

None of them could actually seal the deal. She rejected almost all of them, but did the first move for a group of big Korean guys that moved away from her after some back and forth. Second stereotype gone in trash (these Asian guys are less demanding than other customers and pay whatever price they are asked to).

She looked not friendly with the Indians, just so so with the westerners and friendlier with Asians (actually a few of them made the first step to see her but none of them agreed to take her).

Some of these customers even came back a second time, they took some time to think about it, adjusted their offer and came back to her for yet being unable to conclude the deal. I wonder if there are girls asking for a ST at 2 K there, because I cannot believe all these guys walked away from a 1500 baht price. All of these guys probably thought that she was good looking because none of them went to see other girls except for the group of Koreans.

By the way that group of Koreans discussed for about ten minutes with two other meaty girls and went off to a ST room with these two girls. Five Korean guys taking on two poor Thai girls. Third stereotype (it's only the Indians that hunt in pack and take one or two girls for 4 or 5 guys).

During all that time only two or three of the other girls had a guy come talk to them and I think none of them sealed the deal either, so it might be true that the economics is starting to hit these girls in their pockets.

In the end guess who won the prize with the classy girl? Two typical Indian daddies that has been the most persistent and the most skilled in the negotiation (they adjusted their offer two more times after their initial offer). Fourth stereotype (Indians are cheap and bad at negotiating as read a few weeks ago in the Pattaya thread).

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2381307]When the time comes to fly out of Thailand after having been there only a few days for the last year I always tend to go back to the basics in my last days.

These basics are basically the things that I know I will miss during the time I will be back home having to deal with my shitty life. That can be a simple and good Thai food, an hour of foot massage in a shop that I like, some relaxation in the only sauna that I know, taking a coffee in a good coffee shop or visiting a PSE massage shop that often delivers good stuffs and the list can go on and on.

One thing that I'm sure to miss is the ambiance on soi 4 at night. When I'm in BKK I go there only two or three times during my whole time but strangely it's something that I miss when I'm back home.

I went there in the night of Wednesday last week and just took a sit in the Hillary4, ordered my cold beer and watched the meat market from midnight to 2 am.

On a note site, I really appreciated the staff in that bar, waitresses were very polite and never came to bother me and most importantly the working girls in the bar didn't come to disturb me (in the opposite of a bar like Stumble Inn were the WG are very annoying and disrespectful for example).

Hillary4 is very well located, just in front of Hooters where most of the girls are standing.

That night there was a girl that clearly stood out of the whole package of streetwalkers there, she was slim, had a beautiful and classy dress, a nice handbag, you could see she did put some effort in her looks on the contrary of most other girls that look like they took the first cloth they found in their room and didn't care much about their looks..[/QUOTE]For some reason your two hours of observations in one night before the tourist hard hits does not necessarily indicate any of the stereotypes you mentioned.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2381307]
In the end guess who won the prize with the classy girl? Two typical Indian daddies that has been the most persistent and the most skilled in the negotiation (they adjusted their offer two more times after their initial offer). Fourth stereotype (Indians are cheap and bad at negotiating as read a few weeks ago in the Pattaya thread).[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Amusing for me. Soi 4 has always been full of Cheap Charlie of any nationality, but guys can be knocked back for other reasons, e. G. Wanting BBFS is a possible one. Wanting all night, wanting to take girl too far away, wanting 2 hours for 1000 Baht. Many reasons.

There have been acceptable looking girls on Soi 4, just one expects not many of them and can depend on time and day. What was the girl's name?. Last girl I took was slim and tall and reasonable looking called Mai, standing right next to Hooters in drive way. I could repeat. My previous really super GFE Naam is gone now. Naam told me her standard price was 1300 but she had to knock back many who tried to negotiate lower. Being skinny she was not really the type Indians go for and she stated she prefers Farangs. She was always happy with me, because I gave a bonus for extra special GFE. She could get her own orgasm too at times. Very enthusiastic performer, no wonder she has a Farang sponsor now.

Last time in Hillary 3 (I think opposite side to Hillary 4), the waitresses were annoying me so much about ordering more drinks, I had to leave never to return. The waitresses get commission so its a bad idea. A group ordering could be high commission. I did find some annoying waitresses in Stumble Inn too but for other reasons. The working girls there did not hassle me much. Its quite a while back now. Things change.

5 Koreans order two girls. I think I would want to know more details before accepting that one. Maybe they intended to pick up more girls else where. You recognised Korean language or could tell from the way they dressed?

Stereotypes don't apply to specific individuals, who can rise above the norm. However prejudices exist against the stereo type. If I pass a guy on Soi 4 with seriously bad body odour, I am trying to stay away and could even be a sweaty Farang with no recent shower, but its because of the individual. If same guy has no odour, then no problem. I really can't sit next to guys that reek in bars. Just not used to it, but don't mind at all what colour they are if they sit politely.

[QUOTE=Rafi77;2381302]
Around 3 pm visited Doki but it was booked solid. Lesson learnt, always make a booking before going there because its extremely popular. Kept walking and ended up in soi 33 at Mitu. Its very hard to find so do use google maps. You get a vile tasting energy drink upon arrival and an ipad to make your selection. Chose Uru and she provided excellent and eager service, willing to do anything. Mitu gets full marks on cleanliness and functionality of rooms.
[/QUOTE]Most MPs are very quiet at the moment. When I went to DokiDoki last at around 3 pm, there was a big lineup available. Maybe depends what day of the week. Pick a quiet day till you know a few girls you would like to book.

The very first time I went there, was only 5 girls available and not my spec. So I guess picking right time can be important.

I have not seen Energy drinks given before. Ha ha. What colour was it?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2381487]For some reason your two hours of observations in one night before the tourist hard hits does not necessarily indicate any of the stereotypes you mentioned.[/QUOTE]I know, I won't make a generalization out of a 2 hours observation.

It was just entertaining to watch. She was like a star in the night and attracted every guys that wanted to catch one of these girls standing near Hooters and she left all the other girls on the sideline.

And it was funny to see how some of the topics that pops up on the forum from time to time were proven to be wrong during that timeframe.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2381708]Ha ha. Amusing for me. Soi 4 has always been full of Cheap Charlie of any nationality, but guys can be knocked back for other reasons, e. G. Wanting BBFS is a possible one. Wanting all night, wanting to take girl too far away, wanting 2 hours for 1000 Baht. Many reasons.

There have been acceptable looking girls on Soi 4, just one expects not many of them and can depend on time and day. What was the girl's name?. Last girl I took was slim and tall and reasonable looking called Mai, standing right next to Hooters in drive way. I could repeat. My previous really super GFE Naam is gone now. Naam told me her standard price was 1300 but she had to knock back many who tried to negotiate lower. Being skinny she was not really the type Indians go for and she stated she prefers Farangs. She was always happy with me, because I gave a bonus for extra special GFE. She could get her own orgasm too at times. Very enthusiastic performer, no wonder she has a Farang sponsor now.[/QUOTE]It didn't seem that all these guys were asking some special services, some of them went away after a few seconds, it looked to me that they were knocked off by the price.

I don't know her name, I didn't talk to her and didn't hear anything. She was very slim and not tall (and looked a bit dark) and still attracted many Indians and Asians. Westerners were few I think.

The last time I went to Stumble Inn (maybe 2 years ago) I almost had a physical fight with one of the drunk WG that was working there. That night four of them came successively to me and most of the time they were getting angry quicky. The waitresses were always nice though in that bar, but in my experience the WG that are working there are of the worst kind.

Most of the time I can tell easily which guy is Korean from the shape of their face or their body language without hearing them talking. Some of them looked strong and they were young (at max 30). They walked in front of her without noticing her, she made the move with a big smile on her face to see the biggest guy, they talked for a few minutes but they didn't seal the deal. These guys were not looking for the prettiest girl. A few meters later they talked to another girl (a meaty girl) had some back and forth with her for maybe 10 minutes and finally all of them went back to the direction of the ST rooms (they might have gone directly to their own rooms I don't know, because they went in the same direction they were coming from) with one other girl (that girl didn't look good, and might even have been a LB).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2381711]Most MPs are very quiet at the moment. When I went to DokiDoki last at around 3 pm, there was a big lineup available. Maybe depends what day of the week. Pick a quiet day till you know a few girls you would like to book.[/QUOTE]They have a twitter account that is updated everyday around 12 or 1 pm I think where we can see the schedule of the day, with which girl coming at what time.

One day I've been there at 3 pm in order to book a girl for later in the evening and the girls that she show me on her tablet were not the same that on the twitter account so I wonder if that twitter account is for bullshit purpose.

I agree that day (a Tuesday) business looked very slow there.

The twitter account is not bad to have a look at their other girls that doesn't have their pictures featured on the web site.

Would Repeat? Yes, and have.

Total damage: 1000 baht for HJ + massage in back of bar.

No more BJ here. ! I read prior reports for 800 baht, but they said it's not happening there or any of their soi cowboy bars. Unless certain ones that have rooms upstairs. But then going to cost way more and might as well FS. Plus not in open bar, which was part of the point for me. Go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or elsewhere if you want BJ.

500 baht for HJ is great cheap Charlie deal. Plus a lady drink 170-250 baht (pressure high to buy more, but I just smile and say no thank you).

First great experience was a 7/10 hottie. Beautiful. Nice body & tits. Mid to late 20's. I recommend asking them if they provide HJ before buying a drink, as some don't really do it. She does. Tried to get me to take her friend too for extra 500 but said no. Took me to back of bar and her friend held up little towel to block view as provider did baby wipe down. Then had to ask for some baby oil (no extra charge). Older mammasan lady puts my feet up in her lap and massages legs while getting HJ from hottie. I say "no, only one girl" but she just nods and keeps massaging. I say "only pay one" and she says no problem. So why not. Pop hottie's tits out. Suck on those. Some DFK. She puts my hand under her skirt and start working fingers. Hot.

Pretty soon I feel 3rd hand. 4th hand. Mammasan is going to work too. Hottie grabs my face for DFK, licking my nipples, hands roaming body, whispering dirty shit and licking ear, as mammasan keeps working HJ. To be honest, that was really enjoyable, so I didn't stop to say I wanted HJ from only the hottie. Good technique from both. Hottie is all over me and moaning while the johnson getting worked. Sexy. If you can't blow load sitting on bar stool, this is a different experience. But kinda hot to me getting this inside the bar with others sitting around, and see gogo dancers doing the BKK shuffle.

Blow load and hottie cleans it up. Maybe 10-15 min total. No complaints from either. Mammasan keeps massaging my legs. Gave 500 baht to hottie for standard / fixed HJ price, and 200 baht to mammasan for the extra work. Sit down at bar for another beer, and mammasan starts massaging my back and shoulders. Felt great and I love getting a massage while kicking back with a beer in a bar. Makes me feel like a king LOL. She asks for lady drink, but no. I tip her 100 baht instead and she keeps massaging. Maybe 15 or 20 minutes. Total damage about 1000 baht for lady drink for hottie (200), HJ (500), and tips for massage (200 + 100). Plus a couple beers for me. I think they are 100 baht if I remember correct.

I have another story here from a spinner hottie that was a real disappointment. But I should have known it, and did it anyway LOL. So my bad. I'll post that story also. Lessons for those newbies or those experienced who just forget their lessons learned.

Would repeat: definitely, and already have at Jungle Jim's. Inexpensive release in open bar setting. And quick and easy. Don't have to wait for outcall or get ST room. Cool experience if you've never done it either.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2381711]Most MPs are very quiet at the moment. When I went to DokiDoki last at around 3 pm, there was a big lineup available. Maybe depends what day of the week. Pick a quiet day till you know a few girls you would like to book.

The very first time I went there, was only 5 girls available and not my spec. So I guess picking right time can be important.

I have not seen Energy drinks given before. Ha ha. What colour was it?[/QUOTE]Oh it was a square bottle just like for medicines and tasted like it too. Was almost scared to take it but had to man up. For the greater good.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2381729]

The twitter account is not bad to have a look at their other girls that doesn't have their pictures featured on the web site.[/QUOTE]Does it show faces at all? Pics are only slightly useful without that for me.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2381721]
The last time I went to Stumble Inn (maybe 2 years ago) I almost had a physical fight with one of the drunk WG that was working there. That night four of them came successively to me and most of the time they were getting angry quicky. The waitresses were always nice though in that bar, but in my experience the WG that are working there are of the worst kind.
[/QUOTE]I think I had a problem over a food order with a waitress. However 3 to 4 years ago the WGs I met were fine to me. Can depend on specific girls. I don't see any reasons to go in these days. I think the standard declined. I do look in from the pavement as go by sometimes, but nothing is pulling me in there.

Many years ago I was a regular for Morning Night, mainly because was a place to get a fuck early in the day, but another era. I wish we could say places were getting better and better, but seems quite the reverse.

[QUOTE=Travel365;2381787]
No more BJ here. ! I read prior reports for 800 baht, but they said it's not happening there or any of their soi cowboy bars. Unless certain ones that have rooms upstairs.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info. Some raunchy bars do have an upstairs. However this is the prudish era. I might check if BJ is still going strong in certain Pat Pong bars, like Star of Light or kangaroo bar (where FS in bar was possible long ago). HJ is not for me.

I would use the BJ shops if have a hot girl who wants to fuck as well. Last pass of Lolytas and Kasalong did not find any talent for looks. I seem to prefer Soi 4 these days for a cheapy FS. SW and Mango are improving as an option for me with new girls lately.

For me, performing in public is not really a big thing, but I do like to have good lighting and does excite me somewhat for the girl to be molested in public with others seeing it. I once was dissatisfied at Kangaroo bar because they wanted to take me to the back room and was very dark in there. I need to have good visuals.

In the very old days (like 1991), one could go to the Kangaroo bar early afternoon and being receiving BBBJ and molesting maybe 5 girls at a time and could pull down their panties no problem to play with pussy or lick it. All included for buying the girls drinks, perhaps 2 or 3 rounds depending on how long you went for. Drinks were not expensive in those days but I forget how much. FS was usually in back room. Obviously some of us would like to relive the old experiences if we could find a suitable venue. It might be the special BJ bars these days like Kasilong and will be more costly.

Been noticing a bit lately that when I am asking for a price for services from Thai lady, more frequently the response is "price up to you". What is the consensus on how to handle this? Anyone got any useful suggestions? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2382114]Been noticing a bit lately that when I am asking for a price for services from Thai lady, more frequently the response is "price up to you". What is the consensus on how to handle this? Anyone got any useful suggestions? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I love girls like this. Firstly it shows a certain level of trust. There is a high correlation between fun girls and those not specifying a price.

It is not really a license to be stingy, more so to be very fair. You had better know the going prices, and even consider a small bonus for a magnificent time. If it is really crap, and she does not make it possible to fuck her or enjoy, then you have a license to downsize the payment and make it still fair. This rarely happens. Most crap girls are very specific about prices.

I really can't remember the last time an 'up to you' girl turned bad. I am sure it happened, but my memory of the poor ones fades quickly. Can be physical incompatibility of course, e. G. Girls that cannot relax, very tiny pussy can't take a big dick well, or visa versa.

Some of the very hot girls that say "up to you" may make more money on average than if they specified a fixed price every time, however they psychologically assess the customer first, to decide if customer is the generous type or stingy type.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2382114]Been noticing a bit lately that when I am asking for a price for services from Thai lady, more frequently the response is "price up to you". What is the consensus on how to handle this? Anyone got any useful suggestions? Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's great when you get this response.

I reply with first telling them that I am a generous man with a good heart and will pay them and tip them highly if they provide good service and what we agree upon.

I then will offer 500 baht above current going rate and negotiate from there. But she has to be in line with my spec.

I'm into the slender dark skinned Isan girls (darker the better) with long hair, no baby, minimal make up, no tatts, no surgery.

The real natural bare foot up country spinner.

Suffice to say whilst lurking the Sois in Bangkok these days I struggle to find her.

But when I do / have and get the response "price up to you" my pulse races.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2382120]I love girls like this. Firstly it shows a certain level of trust. There is a high correlation between fun girls and those not specifying a price.

It is not really a license to be stingy, more so to be very fair. You had better know the going prices, and even consider a small bonus for a magnificent time. If it is really crap, and she does not make it possible to fuck her or enjoy, then you have a license to downsize the payment and make it still fair. This rarely happens. Most crap girls are very specific about prices.

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Some of the very hot girls that say "up to you" may make more money on average than if they specified a fixed price every time, however they psychologically assess the customer first, to decide if customer is the generous type or stingy type.[/QUOTE]You make very good points. At first I was thinking they were trying to high-ball me, but what you say makes sense. Thanks.

Damage: 2 k baht 1 HR 1 pop. Or 3 k for 2 hours 2 pops with bigger room. Soi 7/1 Sukhimvit near Nana BTS. If you're looking for BB, see my other post on gold moon spa. Or my Jungle Jim post if you're a cheap Charlie.

Would repeat?: No.

As of Sept 2019.

Mediocre technique for nuru from my provider (forgot name, but she was the "lightest" of the bunch. Maybe 53 kilos I would guess). The lineup was pretty meh, like the service. Mostly late 20 to mid / late 30's and definitely on the squishy side. These aren't the spinner little Thai ladies. But I wanted nuru. So gave it a shot (literally! LOL). (BTW, Mitu is the premium provider with allegedly better lineup and service. But will set you back 5 k with unlimited pops, 90 minutes. Will try next time. Check their website or search online. Both on google maps.).

Service.

They have waterproof foam type mattress rather than air mattress. But normal nuru gel. 2 k baht room is like a medium size tile bathroom with mattress and hand-held shower sprayer. Pretty meager. But hey I'm not here for a luxury hotel room. Both shower down. Gets nuru'the up and starts sliding. Mainly technique is missing. No scissor or cool positions. Mostly just up and down. Some tits rubbing and licking. BBBJ & covered FS. Nothing special.

Maybe ask the mamasan for best service lady, instead of picking the one you want. Or shell out the cash for Mitu. There are also lots of massage bars here on Soi 7/1. All the ladies will be offering services as you walk to Chrome at the end of the Soi. Some cool bars here too where the ladies are chill, not too much pressure, can sit and have a relaxed drink while they rub you and tell all the horrible things they will do to you. A couple hotties, but mostly a bit older on this Soi. But reasonably priced and negotiable. And better service than most young hotties who don't need to try as hard.

Given the mediocre nuru technique, plump lineup, and kinda shabby rooms (which are actually showers.).

Would repeat: probably not. Will shell out extra cash for Mitu instead.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2382114]Been noticing a bit lately that when I am asking for a price for services from Thai lady, more frequently the response is "price up to you". What is the consensus on how to handle this? Anyone got any useful suggestions? Thanks.[/QUOTE]It was always "up to you" until the Asian invasion.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2382131]It's great when you get this response.

I reply with first telling them that I am a generous man with a good heart and will pay them and tip them highly if they provide good service and what we agree upon.

I then will offer 500 baht above current going rate and negotiate from there. But she has to be in line with my spec.

I'm into the slender dark skinned Isan girls (darker the better) with long hair, no baby, minimal make up, no tatts, no surgery.

The real natural bare foot up country spinner.

Suffice to say whilst lurking the Sois in Bangkok these days I struggle to find her.

But when I do / have and get the response "price up to you" my pulse races.[/QUOTE]Plenty of dark Issan ladies in the Soi 7 bars along the fence on the way to the Beer Garden. And the price is up to you. Also you might find a few inside of the Beer Garden. Myself I don't care what shade of Thai they are as long as they have a great GF attitude.

RL.

[QUOTE=Travel365;2382139]There are also lots of massage bars here on Soi 7/1. All the ladies will be offering services as you walk to Chrome at the end of the Soi. Some cool bars here too where the ladies are chill, not too much pressure, can sit and have a relaxed drink while they rub you and tell all the horrible things they will do to you. A couple hotties, but mostly a bit older on this Soi. But reasonably priced and negotiable. And better service than most young hotties who don't need to try as hard.[/QUOTE]Beware there are many LBs on Soi 7/1. Several of the bars have a mix of LBs and real girls. I absolutely hate that.

Will be in Sathorn next two weeks. Looking for advice for massage in the area, hotel spas do they participate? And also massage salons in and around the Empire tower area?

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2382350]Plenty of dark Issan ladies in the Soi 7 bars along the fence on the way to the Beer Garden. And the price is up to you. Also you might find a few inside of the Beer Garden. Myself I don't care what shade of Thai they are as long as they have a great GF attitude.

RL.[/QUOTE]Great information as always RL.

I really appreciate your help.

Where I live there are a plethora of ladies to my liking, however living in the province one needs to be extremely discreet as word travels fast about what the farang gets up to, so these days I only go full throttle when in Bangkok.

Soi 7 it is. I will post my experiences.

It seems some of the girls who have been working in the soon-to-close (3 months?) Queen's Park Plaza bars on Soi 22 are showing up at a small new outdoor/indoor beer bar on Soi 8 near the corner of Sukhumvit Road called Today@Soi 8 Bar. Lady Drinks are 190 baht, sodas are 70 baht, don't know about beer or other drinks. Barfine is 700 baht, the rest is up to the girl and the customer, as usual. I only sat there for a few minutes last night waiting for my dating site FL girl to arrive on the BTS train nearby. There were 7-8 girls there at 7PM. 2-3 looked doable to me. But I have walked past this new bar a few times since it opened about a week ago and I have seen different girls there every time.

It is open from 10AM to 2AM/3AM. It is said some girls will show up as early as 10AM. There is an indoor section of the bar behind glass doors with pool tables and air-conditioning. They are not serving food yet but I was told they will sometime in the future.

I realize from reading through the posts, that some bars don't welcome black and brown skinned clientele (aight with me).

So far I got Crazy House, Crazy House 2 and MaXX. Are there any other places in Soi Cowboy / Nana or any main stream areas?

[QUOTE=RapChik;2383766]I realize from reading through the posts, that some bars don't welcome black and brown skinned clientele (aight with me).

So far I got Crazy House, Crazy House 2 and MaXX. Are there any other places in Soi Cowboy / Nana or any main stream areas?[/QUOTE]Just go to Thermae's brother. Hottest girls for OK prices.

Yes, it's 3 k for ST, but that's still 99% cheaper than most of the world unless you want to risk it in some crime filled shithole of a country (Brazil, Colombia, etc.).

Plus, you're not competing with the disgusting boomers who enjoy BBFS.

[QUOTE=RapChik;2383766]I realize from reading through the posts, that some bars don't welcome black and brown skinned clientele (aight with me).

So far I got Crazy House, Crazy House 2 and MaXX. Are there any other places in Soi Cowboy / Nana or any main stream areas?[/QUOTE]They are all basically fine with Black Americans, so it's not really black and brown skin that they are worried about. They are more concerned about people from specific countries that have cultures which have taught their men to be total cheapskates and to basically view working girls as sub-human. That type of clientele may mostly have darker skin, but it's not the color of their skin that is the concern.

You aren't going to be able to compile a complete list here. But, if you fit the profile and walk up to a bar where they say "sorry, members only", then move on to the next bar. Maybe the next bar will let you in.

[QUOTE=RapChik;2383766]I realize from reading through the posts, that some bars don't welcome black and brown skinned clientele (aight with me).

So far I got Crazy House, Crazy House 2 and MaXX. Are there any other places in Soi Cowboy / Nana or any main stream areas?[/QUOTE]Folks from the USA, whatever their ethnic origin, are usually welcome everywhere.

[QUOTE=RapChik;2383766]I realize from reading through the posts, that some bars don't welcome black and brown skinned clientele (aight with me).

So far I got Crazy House, Crazy House 2 and MaXX. Are there any other places in Soi Cowboy / Nana or any main stream areas?[/QUOTE]I guess you man Kazy Kozy by "Crazy House 2". My favourite waitress there could not get on with the gay "mamasan" (who is a full on nuisance. We don't need gays much in girly bars), and so left there.

MaXX seems to be the name of a Hotel??? Am not aware of a bar like that. Maybe its new.

I don't really think its the colour of the skin that matters at all. It is more the perception that certain ethnic groups can be unwilling to buy many drinks, argue over bill regularly, or cause other problems. That is my guess. Any one guy may not fit the generalisation but maybe discriminated against. If a group of guys, even more unlikely to be welcome. Not sure if excessive body odours is a factor or not. Just possible. Manner of dressing could matter too. Best to know dress like those that are generally turned away. Perhaps try to look like a person from USA etc. Can help. Can depend who is on the door.

In some bars unknown guys can be asked to buy drinks up front, so that is why I have not been in Bacarra for a long time now. There may not be any suitable seating, so I don't want to buy a drink first.

I recommend for you Billboard as the best bar in Nana and does not seem to worry about ethnicity. One problem is Billboard has a lot of slim girls that may not suit every guy. Better to know good bars since unlikely anyone will try them all. I avoid the big fat mamasan (bad experiences in the past).

Great info! I live up that Soi during the winter months and it used to be necessary to make the trek to Soi 4 or 11 to find a beer bar or a place where FL's hung out (with the exception of the awful RedHog). The place you mentioned was an Indian restaurant that seemed empty every time I walked by last winter. I have also read that Soi 7 has some space on the corner of SUK that is being built out and many of the bars from Soi 22 are transferring to that location. Now, if someone can resurrect Bangkok Beat!
LOL!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2383207]It seems some of the girls who have been working in the soon-to-close (3 months?) Queen's Park Plaza bars on Soi 22 are showing up at a small new outdoor/indoor beer bar on Soi 8 near the corner of Sukhumvit Road called Today@Soi 8 Bar. Lady Drinks are 190 baht, sodas are 70 baht, don't know about beer or other drinks. Barfine is 700 baht, the rest is up to the girl and the customer, as usual. I only sat there for a few minutes last night waiting for my dating site FL girl to arrive on the BTS train nearby. There were 7-8 girls there at 7PM. 2-3 looked doable to me. But I have walked past this new bar a few times since it opened about a week ago and I have seen different girls there every time.

It is open from 10AM to 2AM/3AM. It is said some girls will show up as early as 10AM. There is an indoor section of the bar behind glass doors with pool tables and air-conditioning. They are not serving food yet but I was told they will sometime in the future.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2384247]Great info! I live up that Soi during the winter months and it used to be necessary to make the trek to Soi 4 or 11 to find a beer bar or a place where FL's hung out (with the exception of the awful RedHog). The place you mentioned was an Indian restaurant that seemed empty every time I walked by last winter. I have also read that Soi 7 has some space on the corner of SUK that is being built out and many of the bars from Soi 22 are transferring to that location. Now, if someone can resurrect Bangkok Beat!
LOL![/QUOTE]Soi 7 had the Taco joint that's all torn out. Same folks as Margarita Storm used to be there.

I have never, not once, ever seen a good looking lady in RedHog.

I'll be roaming out tonight and will study the situation.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2384428]Soi 7 had the Taco joint that's all torn out. Same folks as Margarita Storm used to be there.

I have never, not once, ever seen a good looking lady in RedHog.

I'll be roaming out tonight and will study the situation.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the rookie question, but I've only been to Bangkok once even tho I am very experienced worldwide. When you guys talk about Soi 7 of whatever are you talking about the Sois in the northeast part of Bangkok? Maybe 20 minutes drive from Soi Cowboy?

And if I can easily afford gogo girls at Cowboy or Nana, should I bother shopping in the Northeast sois? I do love experiences. So maybe just for that reason?

And what if Patapong. How does it play in the mix?

I kindly ask you don't RTFF me as I WTFF for the most part. And I do read Bangkok daily but it's a forest for the trees problem. I see the trees clearly but the overview is harder to come by. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2384428]Soi 7 had the Taco joint that's all torn out. Same folks as Margarita Storm used to be there.

I have never, not once, ever seen a good looking lady in RedHog.

I'll be roaming out tonight and will study the situation.[/QUOTE]I think you mean Soi 7/1, not Soi 7. Soi 7/1 is where the Subway sandwich shop used to be, it shared the space with Sunrise Mexican Grill (also of Margarita Storm) and there was a Thai Bistro upstairs. Well, now the Thai Bistro is downstairs, open for business, and the menu includes Sunrise Mexican Grill fare as well as the expected Thai food.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384624]Sorry for the rookie question, but I've only been to Bangkok once even tho I am very experienced worldwide. When you guys talk about Soi 7 of whatever are you talking about the Sois in the northeast part of Bangkok? Maybe 20 minutes drive from Soi Cowboy?

And if I can easily afford gogo girls at Cowboy or Nana, should I bother shopping in the Northeast sois? I do love experiences. So maybe just for that reason?

And what if Patapong. How does it play in the mix?

I kindly ask you don't RTFF me as I WTFF for the most part. And I do read Bangkok daily but it's a forest for the trees problem. I see the trees clearly but the overview is harder to come by. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Typically, when we are talking about Soi 7, Soi 7/1, Soi 8, Soi 11, Soi 15 and so on, we are talking about the lower soi numbered area of Sukhumvit Road between Soi Cowboy at Sukhumvit and Asok (bts station) and Nana Plaza (on Soi 4).

None of those sois would be a 20 minute drive from Soi Cowboy unless you are stuck in heavy traffic, of course. It would be no more than a 20 minute walk from Soi Cowboy to Nana Plaza and vice versa. And all of those sois I mentioned are between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. Well, Soi 4 is where Nana Plaza is located. Soi Cowboy is off Asok on one end and Soi 23 at the other end. It's only 1 block long.

And it is useful to know the odd numbered sois are on one side of Sukhumvit Road while the even numbered ones are on the other.

Patpong might be more like a 20 minute drive from Nana Plaza/Soi 4 though. Or it can be reached by BTS Skytrain from Nana Plaza area or by MRT subway from the Soi Cowboy area. Just locate it on a map or your GPS and see which methods will get you within easy walking distance to it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384624]Sorry for the rookie question, but I've only been to Bangkok once even tho I am very experienced worldwide. When you guys talk about Soi 7 of whatever are you talking about the Sois in the northeast part of Bangkok? Maybe 20 minutes drive from Soi Cowboy?
.[/QUOTE]When guys on here talk about soi 7 or 8 or 4 or 33 or 22 or 24 or etc. They usaully talk about sois on Sukhumvit Road.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384624]Sorry for the rookie question, but I've only been to Bangkok once even tho I am very experienced worldwide. When you guys talk about Soi 7 of whatever are you talking about the Sois in the northeast part of Bangkok? Maybe 20 minutes drive from Soi Cowboy?
<snip>
And what if Patapong. How does it play in the mix?
[/QUOTE]Steve, when guys are talking about soi 7 here in the BKK Reports section they are usually talking about Sukhumvit Soi 7 which is a short walk from Soi 4 (Sukhumvit soi 4) where Nana is located. Just keep in mind that even numbered sois are on the south side of Sukhumvit and the odd numbered sois are on the north side of Sukhumvit. Soi Cowboy runs parallel to Sukhumvit between Asok and soi 23 (Sukhumvit soi 23). Got it?

Patpong is in the Silom neighborhood. If you are staying in the Sukhumvit neighborhood, you will need to take a taxi or MRT from the Asok station or a combination of BTS trains to get there. Is it worth the trip? Yes. A couple of my favorite Go Go's are on Patpong 1 & 2. Specifically Kings Castle 1 & 2 and Pink Panther.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384624]Sorry for the rookie question, but I've only been to Bangkok once even tho I am very experienced worldwide. When you guys talk about Soi 7 of whatever are you talking about the Sois in the northeast part of Bangkok? Maybe 20 minutes drive from Soi Cowboy?

And if I can easily afford gogo girls at Cowboy or Nana, should I bother shopping in the Northeast sois? I do love experiences. So maybe just for that reason?

And what if Patapong. How does it play in the mix?

I kindly ask you don't RTFF me as I WTFF for the most part. And I do read Bangkok daily but it's a forest for the trees problem. I see the trees clearly but the overview is harder to come by. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Go to [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] and request Bangkok, Sukhumvit neighborhood, click on the maps of any hotel. There it is, the Soi by Soi map of the district. Odd numbered Soi's on the top right and even Soi's on the bottom left. Soi Cowboy is an alley off of Soi 21, Nana Plaza is a large area off of Soi 4.

Walking between the two is good exercise and good fun can be had talking to the FL's on the walk. Walk down Soi 7/1 and check out all the ladies and LB's that want your attention. Good luck and enjoy your visit.

BTW, your a senior member, I don't think anyone would tell you to RTFF.

RL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384624]Sorry for the rookie question, but I've only been to Bangkok once even tho I am very experienced worldwide. When you guys talk about Soi 7 of whatever *snip* I see the trees clearly but the overview is harder to come by. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi Steve. A fair question from anyone not familiar with Thailand. Might be helpful to go up one level further from other posts. "Soi" refers to parcel of land on or near a main road. For Bangkok (and other cities) the parcels were absorbed decades ago and the soi " reference is generally a side street. There are also "sub-sois" which branch off from the main lane. For example LollyTas is on a sub-soi of Sukhumvit soi 8. You will see the soi references in Pattaya, too.

For Sukhumvit, even numbers on on the south side and odd numbers are on the north. The sois are NOT lined up numerically, so (for example) soi 8 is directly across sukhumvit from soi 11.

TTG.

You guys rock. Nothing short of four solid responses inside of an hour. That is service with a smile. Thanks!

P.S. I know you are a Thailand crew but if you enjoy reading adventures drop me an instant message. I just finished a week in London where my Peruvian "girlfriend" dumped me at the airport (after I flew her there etc) but I filled the week with six Romanian hookers, two civi dates with a Peruvian and a Malay girl, and had a four hour blast duo with two Colombian girls.

People who say London sucks for P6 just have no fucking clue what they are doing. Happy to send you the full FR (much too long and OT for ISG).

Steve.

No worries. I like a slightly different approach.

I like to think of the main areas by the nearest BTS train station, which runs along Sukhumvit, and is a good way to get around.

Nana Plaza is between the Phloen Chit and Nana stations.

Soi Cowboy is off the Asok station behind the Interchange 21.

Most oily massage joints are congregated off Phrom Phong station.

Other places like the BJ bars, and after hours bars, etc are scattered along the way.

If you google (maps) these BTS stations you'll get oriented. If you look at some of the online blogs (like rocketreports) that talk about the oilies, and soapies, and BJ bars, they often have maps of all the places in the smaller areas.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384624]Sorry for the rookie question, but I've only been to Bangkok once even tho I am very experienced worldwide. When you guys talk about Soi 7 of whatever are you talking about the Sois in the northeast part of Bangkok? Maybe 20 minutes drive from Soi Cowboy?

And if I can easily afford gogo girls at Cowboy or Nana, should I bother shopping in the Northeast sois? I do love experiences. So maybe just for that reason?

And what if Patapong. How does it play in the mix?

I kindly ask you don't RTFF me as I WTFF for the most part. And I do read Bangkok daily but it's a forest for the trees problem. I see the trees clearly but the overview is harder to come by. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2384635]When guys on here talk about soi 7 or 8 or 4 or 33 or 22 or 24 or etc. They usaully talk about sois on Sukhumvit Road.[/QUOTE]Yes Sukhumvit is the default road for ISG forum, between Ploenchit skytrain BTS station and Ekkamai BTS Station, districts Wattana and Klong Toei on each side of the road. However Sukhumvit road is very very long and goes all the way to Pattaya, Rayong, Traat and beyond.

"soi" is a Thai word meaning lane, alley, sidestreet. If Singapore it would be called Lorong I believe.

Odd numbered Sois of Sukhumvit are on the North side (slightly East of North), and even numbered on the other side. There is no alignment as another poster pointed out. Soi 66 is approximately opposite Soi 101. This caused by very uneven distances between Sois. Sois have branches sometimes with sub-soi numbers but often not.

Soi 31 has several turns and branches to make it confusing.

Many Sois have a Thai name as well as a number e. G. Soi Sawatdi. Some Sois are so major that they have become a "road". Sukhumvit Soi 71 is also called "Pridi Phanomyong" road and it has sub-sois e. G. Pridi Soi 10. Pridi 10 yeak 8 is 8th intersection of Pridi soi 10.

A small soi in between Soi 7 and Soi 9 cannot be Soi 8 because it is on opposite side, and so becomes Soi 7/1, read by Thais as "Soi 7 Thap 1" (they have no clue what is a slash). Thap sounds like Tup as in Tupperware. Two small sois between 64 and 66 would be 64/1 and 64/2.

An address like this " 65/1 55 Sukhumvit Rd, Khlong Tan Nuea, Watthana, Bangkok 10110" will mean building number 65/1, in Soi 55 of Sukhumvit road. Wattana is a major district of Bangkok (known as Kheht in Thai) and Klong Tan Neua is a sub-district (Khwaeng in Thai). Postal Code is 5 digits.

Some Thai addresses give very little clue as to the actual location so you need to search on Google Maps. Soapy Parlour Victoria Secret (closed now) was very hard to find from its address, and even google pin was quite wrong originally.

"555, Rama 9 Road, Bang Kapi, Khet Huai Khwang, Bangkok, 10310, Khwaeng Bang Kapi, Khet Huai Khwang, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon 10310" It was located in Rama 9 road Soi 13 but official address never mentioned this Soi, and at one time mentioned "Soi Sun Wichai" (seems to be name of Phetchburi Soi 47) which is somewhere else entirely, just to throw people off the scent I guess.

In days before Google Maps, finding places by address could be very tricky.

I live on a country road that has no name. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=PutinEatsJizz;2384023]...unless you want to risk it in some crime filled shithole of a country (Brazil, Colombia, etc.)...[/QUOTE]You could not be more wrong my friend. Brazil and Colombia are not shithole countries. Some folks even think that they are the best place to monger. They are definitely not crime filled.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2384783]I live on a country road that has no name. Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Sorry for asking some personal questions, but it seems you live permanently in Thailand; do you work or live off a pension? How easy is it to find same-sex friends in Thailand, like regular buddies or drinking pals, Thais or farang? And what is your take on the somewhat complicated immigration rules for expats? Finally, I understand you do not travel to Pattaya and for someone as interested in this hobby it seems a bit strange since it is so nearby and is quite convenient with bus, taxi etc. Any particular reason you do not go there?

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2384841]Sorry for asking some personal questions, but it seems you live permanently in Thailand; do you work or live off a pension? How easy is it to find same-sex friends in Thailand, like regular buddies or drinking pals, Thais or farang? And what is your take on the somewhat complicated immigration rules for expats? Finally, I understand you do not travel to Pattaya and for someone as interested in this hobby it seems a bit strange since it is so nearby and is quite convenient with bus, taxi etc. Any particular reason you do not go there?[/QUOTE]Oh god, no, please.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2384790]You could not be more wrong my friend. Brazil and Colombia are not shithole countries. Some folks even think that they are the best place to monger. They are definitely not crime filled.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, Lefu. Brazil and Colombia have amazing girls, great food and are definitely not shitholes. 555. But they are not as easy going or as safe LOS. In Brazil and Colombia you always have to be aware of your surroundings and take proper care. In Thailand it just doesn't matter. I am comparing BKK to Rio, Sao, Medellin and Bogota. I would say it also feels safer in Manila than those 4 SA cities. But that's just my impression. I would not be surprised either way by the stats. Anyway, I used to hang out in SA a lot in the 80's & 90's. Like I said, they have some amazing girls. But eventually I got fed up with the macho culture and for the last 15 years I have been visiting SE Asia exclusively. What can I say? I like it better here. Still, if a BM has never been to Colombia or Brazil, he should go there and find out for himself what's going on. It's pretty good.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2384841]Sorry for asking some personal questions, but it seems you live permanently in Thailand; do you work or live off a pension? How easy is it to find same-sex friends in Thailand, like regular buddies or drinking pals, Thais or farang? And what is your take on the somewhat complicated immigration rules for expats? Finally, I understand you do not travel to Pattaya and for someone as interested in this hobby it seems a bit strange since it is so nearby and is quite convenient with bus, taxi etc. Any particular reason you do not go there?[/QUOTE]Part time.

Not sure why these questions interests you. Some of the assumptions are wrong. I am a monger gradually winding down to possible retirement from that hobby, eventually. You should be asking questions about girls and Thailand, and of the forum in general, so anyone interested in the question can answer.

I think one thing is clear. I am into regular girls rather than notches on the bedpost for each new girl fucked. I like good looking naked girls and fun sex.

Finally its not wise to post a lot of personal details on here lest it become obvious who a forum member is. I am sure there were already too many personal things. This forum is mainly about finding girls for sex. Yes we do go into stuff about adjusting to the Thailand and Bangkok situation as a side issue for mongers.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2384790]You could not be more wrong my friend. Brazil and Colombia are not shithole countries. Some folks even think that they are the best place to monger. They are definitely not crime filled.[/QUOTE]Far from being a shithole, at least when it comes to girls, if I could go only one place in the world this year it would be São Paulo Brazil and go to Scandallo. More 7-9's per square meter than any other venue on the planet. Luxe club. Luxe girls. Maximum selection. Cannot be beat. Worldwide favorite and I've been pretty much everywhere.

One of the things I love about Scandallo is you can really test drive the vibe. I enjoy dancing with girls and then going to the room later. And I've been doing a lot of seeking arrangement lately where we go for dinner and dancing (not old man dancing — you know, club dancing) before hitting the room.

What are the Best Bangkok dance clubs where you can both dance and do take out?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2384875]Oh god, no, please.[/QUOTE]Spit take! LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384960]What are the Best Bangkok dance clubs where you can both dance and do take out?[/QUOTE]I would check out the Sukhumvit Soi 11 dance clubs (Insanity, Levels, etc.). I never personally tried P4P in those clubs there, but it is there. I think my angst with trying P4P in the dance clubs is the difficulty in determining ladyboys (or not) in those lighting conditions. Although their true gender could possibly be screened at the front door with the initial ID check which seems to happen for every girl entering the club; I'm not certain if that's what the bouncers are actually screening. I've always gone to those clubs with a girl already in-hand. Again, there are definitely P4P girls there if that's what you're after; to test drive and take out.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384927]Far from being a shithole, at least when it comes to girls, if I could go only one place in the world this year it would be So Paulo Brazil and go to Scandallo. More 7-9's per square meter than any other venue on the planet. Luxe club. Luxe girls. Maximum selection. Cannot be beat. Worldwide favorite and I've been pretty much everywhere.[/QUOTE]I am in Sao Paulo now for the start of my 2019 Brazil tour. In mongering destinations the working women of Brazil are second in looks only to those of Germany. The women of SEA are nowhere near their league although I do love them. I have never even been to Scandallo, too rich for me, I get by just fine with the clinicas thank you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2385010]I am in Sao Paulo now for the start of my 2019 Brazil tour. In mongering destinations the working women of Brazil are second in looks only to those of Germany. The women of SEA are nowhere near their league although I do love them. I have never even been to Scandallo, too rich for me, I get by just fine with the clinicas thank you.[/QUOTE]Yeah the CLínicas are great and always have a few gems. And so inexpensive. I had a super hot girl for $30. Hard to beat that even in Thailand. But now imagine taking the hottest 1 or 2 girls from each Clinica and gathering them up until I have two hundred of them. And then stick them all in one place and you have Scandallo.

Expensive? Yes (by Brazil standards) Worth every penny? Absofuckinlutely!

I am in Bangkok over next weekend. Looking for guys into DP / DVP. We get a hotel, a willing girl and a few drinks and take it from there. Who's up?

Lately I have been getting inundated with "interested in you" messages and emails from older, undoable women every time I log in. Has this been happening to anyone else? On my profile page I flatly state I am interested in only girls from 18 to 28. So what gives? And is there a way to sign in incognito so I can avoid these scores of unsolicited messages from desperate women?

You can elect to show yourself as "off-line" even when you are signed in.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2385550]Lately I have been getting inundated with "interested in you" messages and emails from older, undoable women every time I log in. Has this been happening to anyone else? On my profile page I flatly state I am interested in only girls from 18 to 28. So what gives? And is there a way to sign in incognito so I can avoid these scores of unsolicited messages from desperate women?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;2385553]You can elect to show yourself as "off-line" even when you are signed in.[/QUOTE]I have to be super discrete and will never post a pic on a site like TF. I don't mind WhatsApping a pic to a girl I like.

Is it pointless to use TF without a pic? Or can I do it? And how bad will it hurt my hit rate? Thanks.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2385550]Lately I have been getting inundated with "interested in you" messages and emails from older, undoable women every time I log in. Has this been happening to anyone else? On my profile page I flatly state I am interested in only girls from 18 to 28. So what gives? And is there a way to sign in incognito so I can avoid these scores of unsolicited messages from desperate women?[/QUOTE]On my profile I have write "Pattaya only" but sometimes I receive "interested in you" and messages from girls that live very far from Pattaya. Girls usually don't read our profiles, IME. If you are premium member can log in in "off-line" mode.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;2385553]You can elect to show yourself as "off-line" even when you are signed in.[/QUOTE]Only premium members have this option. Standard members can't.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2385580]
Is it pointless to use TF without a pic? Or can I do it? And how bad will it hurt my hit rate? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, pointless. Unless you contact the girl with your pic in your first message. Many girls write in their profiles "no pics, no reply".

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2385596]On my profile I have write "Pattaya only" but sometimes I receive "interested in you" and messages from girls that live very far from Pattaya. Girls usually don't read our profiles, IME. If you are premium member can log in in "off-line" mode.

Only premium members have this option. Standard members can't.

Yes, pointless. Unless you contact the girl with your pic in your first message. Many girls write in their profiles "no pics, no reply".[/QUOTE]All good points Christian. Currently I am not in LOS, so there is no point in my having a Premium membership. But, a few days before I am due to return I will definitely pay up for one. I had a premium membership the last time I was in Thailand. It is worth it IMHO. But back then in April / May I did not adjust the log in setting to "off-line" mode. I didn't need to. This attack of undoable women is a new phenomenon. Everytime I peruse TF just for a little amusement, I now get 10 or more unwanted messages. Holy cow! Literally. 555.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2385580]I have to be super discrete and will never post a pic on a site like TF. I don't mind WhatsApping a pic to a girl I like.

Is it pointless to use TF without a pic? Or can I do it? And how bad will it hurt my hit rate? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I never show my photo (in the past I used fake photos, but I read that one could actually be guilty of a crime for doing this, so I stopped).

I always start my conversation with a girl on TF by sending my photo. Even before I ask them about themselves. Then I immediately say Hello, and move on from there. Occasionally, a girl will ask me why I don't have my photo on the site. I respond that my work place does not permit the use of social media, like Facebook. This might sound like a non-sequitur to some, but almost every girl is satisfied with this explanation.

My major problem with TF is that there are too many girls who list 35-50 as their maximum age (and quite a few who say that they are interested in meeting men of any age, but really are not). I have long passed these milestones. I send them my photo and messages anyway, and about 1/3-1/2 respond that they are interested in meeting anyway.

I have had good success on TF meeting girls for "naughty fun", but not nearly as good as in the Philippines (Pinalove and DateInAsia) or the Dominican Republic using Tagged. On the other hand, there are soooooo many ways to get laid in Thailand that it is not a real problem.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2385617]What is TF?[/QUOTE]I suspect it could be the dating app, TOPFACE.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2385550]Lately I have been getting inundated with "interested in you" messages and emails from older, undoable women every time I log in. Has this been happening to anyone else? On my profile page I flatly state I am interested in only girls from 18 to 28. So what gives? And is there a way to sign in incognito so I can avoid these scores of unsolicited messages from desperate women?[/QUOTE]That has not been happening to me more than usual on TF. But it has been happening to me almost all the time on ThaiCupid. I have maintained a premium account on each for 2-3 years but am thinking of dropping TC because of it. I keep having to check the settings to see if my desired age range was inadvertantly reset to From 48-to-Infinity during a site update or something.

However, the issue of being inundated by Interested and chatty ladies ranging from very doable to impossible but from areas way beyond my supposedly filtered distance range is greater lately on both sites.

[QUOTE=Forest;2385614]...My major problem with TF is that there are too many girls who list 35-50 as their maximum age (and quite a few who say that they are interested in meeting men of any age, but really are not). I have long passed these milestones. I send them my photo and messages anyway, and about 1/3-1/2 respond that they are interested in meeting anyway.
...[/QUOTE]Until very recently, I think we could presume the maximum desired age a Thai girl stated on her profile, if any, was that of her father. Which meant it wasn't as though she had really given it much thought and it was not necessarily based on her feeling repulsed by men her father's age or older. They just plucked that particular age out of the air because it was handy, a reference number they were familiar with and they thought it might shock their friends and family to be introduced to their potential new boyfriend or whatever who is 8-12 years older than dad, heading closer to grandpa's age.

So if they saw the photograph of a man older than dad who has tried to keep himself presentable and might even pass for younger than dad, that was a pleasant surprise to them and a go. Meeting them in person clinched the deal even better.

But very recently I have been seeing more and more Thai ladies over the age of 35 boldly stating they are only looking for men up to age 40-45! And I'm not talking about stunning 35+ year old women. Far from it. Just ordinary, fairly dumpy, creases in their face Thai women heading into middle age.

Really? Are there really that many men under the age of 45 cruising the dating sites looking for Thai women so far past their historically assessed Sell By date? Are they gigolos? Charming scammers? Or is this a sign of the improved Thai economy that older Thai ladies can be so picky? Or is this the age preference for many men of that age group, so much so that these women are actually getting tons of response from them? Interesting new phenomenon.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2385659]Until very recently, I think we could presume the maximum desired age a Thai girl stated on her profile, if any, was that of her father. Which meant it wasn't as though she had really given it much thought and it was not necessarily based on her feeling repulsed by men her father's age or older. They just plucked that particular age out of the air because it was handy, a reference number they were familiar with and they thought it might shock their friends and family to be introduced to their potential new boyfriend or whatever who is 8-12 years older than dad, heading closer to grandpa's age.

So if they saw the photograph of a man older than dad who has tried to keep himself presentable and might even pass for younger than dad, that was a pleasant surprise to them and a go. Meeting them in person clinched the deal even better.

But very recently I have been seeing more and more Thai ladies over the age of 35 boldly stating they are only looking for men up to age 40-45! And I'm not talking about stunning 35+ year old women. Far from it. Just ordinary, fairly dumpy, creases in their face Thai women heading into middle age.

Really? Are there really that many men under the age of 45 cruising the dating sites looking for Thai women so far past their historically assessed Sell By date? Are they gigolos? Charming scammers? Or is this a sign of the improved Thai economy that older Thai ladies can be so picky? Or is this the age preference for many men of that age group, so much so that these women are actually getting tons of response from them? Interesting new phenomenon.[/QUOTE]It's changed for sure. I Thai gals over 35 that I wouldn't even consider with younger handsome dudes. Quite shocking. Yes, they can be more demanding these days as they are in demand. Disturbing at best. Turning into the West.

Was in soi 4 about 8 pm on Saturday night. Already many girls along the street and already many of them were going with costumers in the 10 minutes or so I walked by.

I choose a cute looking and slim deaf girl. Price 1200 + hotel. Her name is Flour / Peeng, deaf with hair at the shoulder. Standing at a different location than other deaf girls (a bit past Hooters on the way inside soi4).

She agreed to kissing but once in the room she did a 180. Service was horrible in general, 5 sec BJ before forcing to move to sex (with condom). Sex was rushed too and after few minutes she made gestures to rush it.

Only positive thing was her body with amazing boobs for my tastes. Pear shaped with big pink areola on a very slim frame. I liked it so much that even after she refused kissing, while I was sucking on those tits, I was thinking of asking her line anyway. But as the actual sex was so ridiculously bad I let it go.

Face: 6.5.

Body (slim with boobs I love): 9.5.

Service: 0 (would have been better to wank myself while sucking her boobs.).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2385688]It's changed for sure. I Thai gals over 35 that I wouldn't even consider with younger handsome dudes. Quite shocking.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what's wrong with these young millennial dudes. They are almost always with an ugly local girl. Some of the girls are over 35, others not. But almost without fail, these young white guys who are in their 20's will be with an ugly girl that I wouldn't even consider.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2385650]That has not been happening to me more than usual on TF. But it has been happening to me almost all the time on ThaiCupid. I have maintained a premium account on each for 2-3 years but am thinking of dropping TC because of it. I keep having to check the settings to see if my desired age range was inadvertantly reset to From 48-to-Infinity during a site update or something.

However, the issue of being inundated by Interested and chatty ladies ranging from very doable to impossible but from areas way beyond my supposedly filtered distance range is greater lately on both sites.[/QUOTE]If the filters worked properly, then some of the girl members would be getting no contacts at all most likely, so site has to break the rules to try to keep its female members I guess. Same could apply for very undesirable guys.

I think these days there are plenty of very hard up pretty young girls that would happy to take on a sugar Grand-daddy!, so the older girls can have tough competition from the young ones. I think older girls have a much better chance to hook a guy who could not escape in a bar.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2384993]There are definitely P4P girls there if that's what you're after; to test drive and take out.[/QUOTE]Insanity was the only one club I always successful in taking out at a cheaper rate. 2-3 years back, the entey fee were 200 -300 and now it is 300-400.2-3 years back my highest bid was 2000 and day before yesterday I paid 1600 for a 23 year old spinner and I kept her till today lunch.

The rates offered to me by soi 11 girls and nana street girls:

1000 for ST and 2000 for LT.

Insanity girls did not go below 4000 for LT. But since the market is upscale, the girls offer much freebies so anyone can go there and enjoy their time.

Any information about the new sports bar on Soi 11, Score Bar? It is above the 8 on Eleven bar next to the Grand President and across the street from the Old German Beerhouse.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2385914]Any information about the new sports bar on Soi 11, Score Bar? It is above the 8 on Eleven bar next to the Grand President and across the street from the Old German Beerhouse.[/QUOTE]Why do you ask? Is it a mongering venue with BFable hostesses? Perhaps not. You could just look in trip advisor, or just try it yourself and make a report in General Thread. As there are lots of sports bars, the pros and cons could be useful. If they serve roast lamb, I am in, since some sports bars don't have that for Sunday Roast any more.

What I dislike are sports bars where they show sport on screens but with no sound and music instead, that would be most of them maybe. Maybe it is useful to discourage overly noisy guests.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2385688]It's changed for sure. I Thai gals over 35 that I wouldn't even consider with younger handsome dudes. Quite shocking. Yes, they can be more demanding these days as they are in demand. Disturbing at best. Turning into the West.[/QUOTE]Completely counter logical and counter to my own visual observations.

Would also take issue with Smoothy's description of who 20 something farangs date in Thailand.

(based on my observations, many bat way above their weight / height and score very young, quite hot local hotties).

The scales ever tip AGAINST the readership of this forum, myself included, but.

A) there is such a thing as your actual age, and the age you look and act (the latter is more important).

B) there is such a thing as a "silver fox" that 20 something (though more so 25 plus) young women will get into, but the operative word here is "fox" (as in an actual guy who takes care of himself and looks good, even as he's greying).

But the days of 50 and 60 something balding and pot bellied farangs who cannot see their penis while peeing, going out and attracting the attention of the local populace while wearing sandals and a wife-beater top is a phenomenon long gone (and not missed by many).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2385709]I'm not sure what's wrong with these young millennial dudes. They are almost always with an ugly local girl. Some of the girls are over 35, others not. But almost without fail, these young white guys who are in their 20's will be with an ugly girl that I wouldn't even consider.[/QUOTE]More for us, buddy, don't complain!

[QUOTE=Catire;2386129] of who 20 something farangs date in Thailand. (based on my observations, many bat way above their weight / height and score very young, quite hot local hotties).

The scales ever tip AGAINST the readership of this forum, myself included, but.

A) there is such a thing as your actual age, and the age you look and act (the latter is more important).
B) there is such a thing as a "silver fox" that 20 something (though more so 25 plus) young women will get into, but the operative word here is "fox" (as in an actual guy who takes care of himself and looks good, even as he's greying). [/QUOTE]Young guys always have the advantage of being young. I was 19 when I took my first trip outside the USA. A Jamaican hooker threw herself at me. No money involved. She just wanted me to shag her. Wonderful girl! I still remember Hazel. She showed me how to do it doggie style. Ha Ha.

Then for the next 10 years or so as my travels broadened throughout Central and South America I never paid for sex. The pro girls just wanted to shag the young, white American. Even non pro SA Uni girls were possible. But as I approached 30 it became more problematic to shag for free and finally it just became too much trouble and not worth bothering with, so I began to pay4play. No problem. HA HA. I got used to it and I got to liking it on demand.

Anyway I have 2 things to say about mongering in my 60's:
1. Having sex with young girls has given me an incentive and reason to stay fit at 165 lbs (74 kg), exercise, and eat right.
2. It's the "young man blues" thing. I have money now that I didn't have when I was young. And although I can no longer shag 6 times a night without taking a break, in some very important ways I am better in bed because I now know how to turn a girl on. When I was younger I barely had a clue.

P.S. I know that one day I will take a look in the mirror and see that I am too old to go out and pick up Go Go girls. When that day comes I will rent a condo on the beach somewhere in Southern Thailand and retire there with my favorite cutie. I know I will know when it is time to "put my guns in the ground cause I can't shoot them anymore," but that day has not come yet and hopefully it is still a long way off. Ha Ha.

Young Man (Blues) - The Who

Oh, well, a young man.
Ain't got nothin' in the world these days.
I said a young man.
Ain't got nothin' in the world these days.

Well, you know in the old days.
When a young man was a strong man.
All the people, they'd step back.
When a young man walked by.

But you know, nowadays.
It's the old man.
He's got all the money.
And a young man ain't got nothin' in the world these days.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2386154]Young guys always have the advantage of being young. I was 19 when I took my first trip outside the USA. A Jamaican hooker threw herself at me. No money involved. She just wanted me to shag her. Wonderful girl! I still remember Hazel. She showed me how to do it doggie style. Ha Ha.

Then for the next 10 years or so as my travels broadened throughout Central and South America I never paid for sex. The pro girls just wanted to shag the young, white American. Even non pro SA girls were possible. But as I approached 30 it became more problematic to shag for free and finally it was just became t0o much trouble and not worth it so I began to pay4play.[/QUOTE]That's why I find it odd when guys on this forum will say they are in their early 20's but are paying for sex in Asia. Hell, the girls throw themselves at white guys in their early 20's.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2386093]Why do you ask? Is it a mongering venue with BFable hostesses? Perhaps not. You could just look in trip advisor, or just try it yourself and make a report in General Thread. As there are lots of sports bars, the pros and cons could be useful. If they serve roast lamb, I am in, since some sports bars don't have that for Sunday Roast any more.

What I dislike are sports bars where they show sport on screens but with no sound and music instead, that would be most of them maybe. Maybe it is useful to discourage overly noisy guests.[/QUOTE]The reason for asking is because it seems to have opened since I visited Soi 11 last May. There seems to be a number of new venues opening just this year. When last there, I tried the Mexican restaurant in the new building next to Oskars. It was not bad for a Hong Kong based chain!

Totally on your page Natty and Catire! These days girls choose who they go with. And even if they didn't wouldn't you want it to be the best experience possible for them? I surely don't want them dreading fucking me if possible.

Old men by default are four things. Old, fat, gray, and no fun.

I can't fix the first one because I am old. But I can damn well fix the other three. And like you Natty I stay in shape for one reason only and that's my gal pals!

Funny story on "acting 22". A year ago I flew a Brazilian girl to London for a week. The first day or so I was the out of place old guy on the dance floor. But she transformed me and I am eternally grateful. Your girl WANTS you to dance and be fun. Why play the role of boring old white dude when you don't have to.

So this year in London I was in the club with a girl dancing my ass off and there was this Belgian old dude with his clearly paid for 22 year old Thai hottie. And he refused to dance even tho she was wiggling like a fish out of water. Well it took and hour and four drinks but I got him dancing and she lit up like a firecracker. He probably had the best sex of his life that night just by not acting old and boring. I hope he keeps it up.

Anyhow I can't help being old but I can surely help looking and acting old and intend to do so as long as humanly possible!

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2385914]Any information about the new sports bar on Soi 11, Score Bar? It is above the 8 on Eleven bar next to the Grand President and across the street from the Old German Beerhouse.[/QUOTE]I stopped there to look at the menu last night. Cute and chatty hostess/greeter named Raksa or Laksa standing there. There are 2 levels, bottom level functions as a normal modern slightly upscale restaurant and bar. Apparently, the top floor is more like a sports bar with pool tables, big screens and such, but I did not go upstairs to check it out.

The menu is heavy on burgers, steaks and chops, running from around 350 baht to 680+ baht. I did not notice a roasted lamb chop option but would think there probably is one.

Hostess says there is "some dancing" later but I just saw people dining at around 8pm last night, mostly couples and Farang groups.

The vibe I got was it could be a bit more casual (no discernable dress code) possible FL pick up destination in the Oskar's Bistro style. I saw a couple of outside tables with 2-3 well dressed attractive Thai girls who were rubber necking, looking around to see if they could catch the attention of my friend and I as we stood stood checking the menu.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2386167]That's why I find it odd when guys on this forum will say they are in their early 20's but are paying for sex in Asia. Hell, the girls throw themselves at white guys in their early 20's.[/QUOTE]I was paying for sex back in my 20's. Sure, I got a fair number of freebies, and that was fun, certainly more uplifting for the ego than paying for it. However, if you want choice, you picking the girl rather than the other way around, you still have to pay. If you want sex at your own schedule, without needing even the token bit of effort, you have to pay.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2385914]Any information about the new sports bar on Soi 11, Score Bar? It is above the 8 on Eleven bar next to the Grand President and across the street from the Old German Beerhouse.[/QUOTE]Its a nice looking place. I passed it last night when rolling down 11 to guide some newbie. Ill wait for a few more Goggle reports about the food which I am sure is decently mediocre and overpriced at best. If you are looking for food recs, let me know. I rarely go down to that area for Sports, usually just for eating somewhere (with some Telly as a bonus), and never on Soi 11 since the last time I had an overpriced and underwhelming Tai burger.

[QUOTE=Catire;2386129]But the days of 50 and 60 something balding and pot bellied farangs who cannot see their penis while peeing, going out and attracting the attention of the local populace while wearing sandals and a wife-beater top is a phenomenon long gone (and not missed by many).[/QUOTE]I still them with the poontang though.

Money is still King here from what I see. Flip some wedge and you can have whatever you desire.

Mongers from The Subcontinent could attest to this.

P. S. I know that one day I will take a look in the mirror and see that I am too old to go out and pick up Go Go girls. When that day comes I will rent a condo on the beach somewhere in Southern Thailand and retire there with my favorite cutie. I know I will know when it is time to "put my guns in the ground cause I can't shoot them anymore," but that day has not come yet and hopefully it is still a long way off. Ha Ha.

For me it will be Philippines. Probably Dumaguete area. Someplace higher up with a panoramic view. I will likely have a main squeeze but still import or hop on over to Cebu for extracurricular activity.

I miss this small joint at Soi 7/1, alley. It was small, packed and loud enough for beers and FL girls. No pressure, pushing, rush but an active place that winded up about 2 years ago.

Since then I looked for tried several places to find on like BB, but did not find any match. Miss you BB.

[QUOTE=DCups;2386422]For me it will be Philippines. Probably Dumaguete area. Someplace higher up with a panoramic view. I will likely have a main squeeze but still import or hop on over to Cebu for extracurricular activity.[/QUOTE]I will visit you DCups. Guess I will always want a little change in scenery. I have never been to Dumaguete or Negros Island, PI for that matter. Sugar Beach (Sipalay) has been on my hit list for a long time. It looks very tranquilo and beautiful.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2386335]I still them with the poontang though.

Money is still King here from what I see. Flip some wedge and you can have whatever you desire.

Mongers from The Subcontinent could attest to this.[/QUOTE]Yes, true, cash will still open up availability. Of course, the mileage you will get out of this availability is another story. Ditto for potential discounts, clock watching, etc etc etc.

As they used to say in Thailand. Up to you.

[QUOTE=Catire;2386129]
But the days of 50 and 60 something balding and pot bellied farangs who cannot see their penis while peeing, going out and attracting the attention of the local populace while wearing sandals and a wife-beater top is a phenomenon long gone (and not missed by many).[/QUOTE]That is what stunned me on my first visit to Thailand with Farang wife in tow. In Phuket, these old slobs with singlets walking with young hotties also in singlets no bra with nipples pretty well defined (natural tits too). WTF was I doing there with a wife? Ha ha. I was in late 20's. Not sure if their were a lot of ladyboys in Phuket back then, I guess so. I might not have known much. I certainly did not waste too much returning to Thailand, once had split with the wife (was quite a few years later and I had started to learn Thai language). If only I had been there 7 years earlier, and perhaps never picked up a wife.

Are most of us happy with deterioration in this phenomenon? I don't think so, even if it looks a bit incongruous. I am at least trying to avoid the pot belly and slob look. All shirts at least have short sleeves. Exposing sweaty and possibly smelly (for many) armpits is not good.

One hot skinny young show dancer in Long Gun, knocked me back once saying she preferred more Teddy Bear type guys (fatter and more belly). Go figure. She rarely went with guys. Perhaps she just made up an excuse for my case.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2386231]I stopped there to look at the menu last night. Cute and chatty hostess/greeter named Raksa or Laksa standing there. There are 2 levels, bottom level functions as a normal modern slightly upscale restaurant and bar. Apparently, the top floor is more like a sports bar with pool tables, big screens and such, but I did not go upstairs to check it out.

The menu is heavy on burgers, steaks and chops, running from around 350 baht to 680+ baht. I did not notice a roasted lamb chop option but would think there probably is one.
[/QUOTE]"Raksa". Ha ha Means "look after you" until you are better, or nurture. Prices seem standard for Sports bars, maybe slightly above, but some others will probably have a bigger menu.

Very few places have roast lamb any more. So its actually unlikely. Lamb cutlets or lamb chops are more common.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2384960]One of the things I love about Scandallo is you can really test drive the vibe. I enjoy dancing with girls and then going to the room later. And I've been doing a lot of seeking arrangement lately where we go for dinner and dancing (not old man dancing you know, club dancing) before hitting the room.

What are the Best Bangkok dance clubs where you can both dance and do take out?[/QUOTE]Has to be RCA clubs, the best dancing clubs with music of all variety all in one line linked to each other and crazy pickups maybe freebies also. But if Pure P4P then Spasso and Oskar for early evening, higher end is Ce La Vie absolute model class. Late nights many options like Levels, insanity and then there is one just next to levels on soi 11 hip hop pure music and crazy chicks, super late night after 3 am it's all about mixx everyone comes there and there is spicy for late nights And it has a very nice Thai restaurant just opposite but again a crazy place for extra late night or Early morning.

Usually the bkk taxi guys know all these places as they are paid for every passenger 50-100 thb they bring to the clubs hence the ride is free to all these clubs.

Tx for your update about Moscow it was great.

Cheers.

Peace.

We were staying next tp Asok BTS which allowed us to explore the areas by foot. We were looking for some massage but most places price were 500 baht which is expensive compared to standard thailand rates and the girls were not nice too. Past midnight, we decided to check out the club insanity. We were taken there by a free taxi and the entry fee was 400 including 1 drink.

The club vibe is nice and the songs were also good. Once we are in, we received many smiles and some girls started to pull me to their table and did grinding. Sooner later, everyone asked if they can go with me; why not. But the rates they asked was like 4000-5000 for LT. I am not at all interested in paying that much money in LOS for the local girls so I passed.

After a while, I met a girl who looks normal but very young and has a nice body. After spending 5 minutes with her, I realized she is very good girl and not too much into business. We felt we have something which attracts each other and we decided to head to my apartment.

She asked for 3000 and reduced to 2000 but I only had 1500 with me as cash and she was fine with that.

At my room, I received one of the best sex and and she was a sex machine. Later she told me she worked at soapy massage before.

Every 1 hour, she hold my dick and asked to fuck her. We had 2 sessions before we sleep at 4 am and 3rd one at 7 am. Around 9 am she woke and hold my dick and asked for condoms.

She was riding me for 20 minutes and I had to take over. I asked her to leave before 11 and me and friend did our own site seeing.

Later in the afternoon, I decided to continue with the girl because I did not find any benefits of investing my time on another girl especially at this expensive place. Sent her a message and she was ready to see me. I asked her to come 9 pm but from 6 pm onwards, she was asking if she can come to my room.

Finally we met around 10 pm at my room and we had one round. Then we headed to nana area and had couple of drinks at Hooters. We were trying find a girl for my friend and the lowest price they were quoting was 1500 for ST and 3000 for LT.

The attitude of Viet girls were not so good, they were not even interested in negotiation talks. But Thais were good.

I had lived in Mexico for 3 months and tried fucking most nationalities in latin america at very cheap rates and free, so I am not ready to pay high price for the girls in Asia.

My girl and I went back to room and we had our second shot. The 3rd one was around 7 am and 4th at 10 am. The girl really wanted to get fucked every moment she hold my dick and she is really like doing sex.

I will be coming back to Bangkok next week and taking her for a holiday, she is very nice girl and worth to keep as a part time GF.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2386471]I will visit you DCups. Guess I will always want a little change in scenery. I have never been to Dumaguete or Negros Island, PI for that matter. Sugar Beach (Sipalay) has been on my hit list for a long time. It looks very tranquilo and beautiful.[/QUOTE]Sure thing, Natty. I'd like to meet you in S. Thailand, too. It's beautiful there.

[QUOTE=TfEight;2386468]I miss this small joint at Soi 7/1, alley. It was small, packed and loud enough for beers and FL girls. No pressure, pushing, rush but an active place that winded up about 2 years ago.

Since then I looked for tried several places to find on like BB, but did not find any match. Miss you BB.[/QUOTE]You are not the only one missing Bangkok Beat. To date I have not found a similar place with live band and FL girls and good atmosphere. The Soi 4 live band bars are not comparable and not to my taste. Maybe some BM can give input about alternatives?

[QUOTE=Gajith;2386669]
The attitude of Viet girls were not so good, they were not even interested in negotiation talks. But Thais were good.
[/QUOTE]It does not really show bad attitude, merely shows they are not cheap. They have no need to negotiate if they can get their prices easily. Different cultures have different attitude to negotiation. My favourite girl on Soi 4 stuck to her price of 1300. She just had no need to drop it. She would get a customer soon enough. He was good enough to get more actually. Perhaps she should have started at 2000 and then dropped her price to keep Indians happy she was willing to negotiate.

If you can find a really cheap girl, then you are a lucky guy. Its many years since I had a bargirl that wanted to keep having another fuck through the night. It was like she had never really experienced decently good sex before. She was a newbie. Experienced hookers won't be like that I think.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2386742] Perhaps she should have started at 2000 and then dropped her price to keep Indians happy she was willing to negotiate.[/QUOTE]Does it means only Indians do negotiation?

I used to get young Viet girls for 700 k vnd short time couple of years back, so I didn't think they were worth for the price they asked.

One of my best friend is a working girl in Jakarta but she always take off days when I am going to Jakarta. It's not about money and all, sometimes it is mental attachment.

The only thing changed in me compared to late 20's and mid 30's (now) is "I am not at all desperate getting a fuck". 😊.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2386552]Why Natty likey Patpong? Do tell!

P.S. Been to Bangkok before but just one night in transit from Phuket. Pulled a nice coyote from Sharks and had a nice time.[/QUOTE]Good morning Steve, As you can see I have transferred this conversation to the BKK reports forum.

Why do I like Patpong? The Answer: The Girls Girls Girls.

But don't get me wrong, currently Nana is my overall favorite watering hole and my favorite Nana bars are Billboard, RB2 (where I have a special little sweetie), RB4, and Twister plus there are an additional fair number of lesser Go Go's worth checking out. If you and your friend only have a few nights in BKK concentrate your hunting parties in Nana early in the evening and then later around midnight branch out to Thermae and the Soi 11 nightclubs.

But if you have a week or longer in BKK don't miss out on what is going on in Patpong. I highly recommend Kings Castle 1 and Pink Panther. KC1 has a lot of young, thin, pretty, northern Thai girls. It is either the #1 or #2 Go Go in BKK at the present time IMHO. Pink is loaded with very friendly, nice looking girls too. In addition, there is Kings Castle 2, Glamour, and Badabing which could all hold their own against many 2nd tier Nana Go Go's.

A distant 3rd place in my opinion is Cowboy in its current state of affairs which is sad because for most of the last 10 years Cowboy has been my favorite place with bars like Crazy House, Baccara and Shark having great girls on hand. But lately those three bars have fallen off dramatically in girl quality (especially CH and Baccara) and there have been no new Go Go's on the soi good enough to replace them. And if that were not bad enough there is always the ubiquitous presence of the quote unquote Arab's 6 or 7 buy me drink only bars that take up a lot of space and little else. The Bottom line is the whole soi just isn't what it used to be only 3 or 4 years ago. For example, on my last 6 week BKK visit I barfined only 1 Soi Cowboy girl, a wild little thing from Dollhouse whom I barfined around 12:30 to 1am. She was my 2nd girl on that particular night and I had a good time with her.

So you should probably check out Cowboy as long as you are in the neighborhood. Crazy House is still wild at times and you never know unless you go there whether or not you find a couple of girls to your liking. But IMHO, Nana and Patpong are definitely better at the moment. You will notice the difference as soon as you compare a few bars.

Happy Hunting and I look forward to hearing about your visit.

NB.

What sets Patpong apart from Nana and Cowboy is the attitude of the girls. There are no divas in Patpong. Many girls in Patpong will sit with you an hour for 2 drinks. Good luck with that at bars like Crazy House or Baccara. Patpong is like a throwback to the good old days of 2016 when gogo bars were so much fun. Don't forget to walk down Thaniya Road while in Patpong. I only stay in the Sukhumvit area because of Thermae.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2386832]What sets Patpong apart from Nana and Cowboy is the attitude of the girls. There are no divas in Patpong. Many girls in Patpong will sit with you an hour for 2 drinks. Good luck with that at bars like Crazy House or Baccara. Patpong is like a throwback to the good old days of 2016 when gogo bars were so much fun. Don't forget to walk down Thaniya Road while in Patpong. I only stay in the Sukhumvit area because of Thermae.[/QUOTE]Which Patpong bars would you recommend for an hour's chat with a pretty bikini girl for 2 drinks? Sometimes, I find myself in the mood for doing exactly that. You are quite correct to say that a convivial chat is hard to find on Soi Cowboy these days. A change of scene might be just what I need.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2386832]What sets Patpong apart from Nana and Cowboy is the attitude of the girls. There are no divas in Patpong. Many girls in Patpong will sit with you an hour for 2 drinks. Good luck with that at bars like Crazy House or Baccara. Patpong is like a throwback to the good old days of 2016 when gogo bars were so much fun. Don't forget to walk down Thaniya Road while in Patpong. I only stay in the Sukhumvit area because of Thermae.[/QUOTE]2016? Honestly, I haven't found GoGos to be fun in well over a decade. When the agency gals came in, the fun ended and service levels dropped.

[QUOTE=Gajith;2386747]Does it means only Indians do negotiation?

I used to get young Viet girls for 700 k vnd short time couple of years back, so I didn't think they were worth for the price they asked.
[/QUOTE]No of course many nationalities want to negotiate. Just that some are more accepting when the girl does not want to negotiate. Does a girl have a bad attitude to not wish to negotiate? In my country, almost nothing is negotiated, we have to learn negotiation in Thailand, and realise the Thai girls may try for more money than what they need, or what they are worth. However we don't have any issue with those who don't want to negotiate. I am too lazy to go for prolonged negotiation with a girl. I can just pass if she does not reach a good price quickly. I prefer girls who do not even set a price, when she gambles that the customer will pay fairly. I suspect a girl will not do that with guys of certain cultures.

In my culture, we would just say the girl seemed over priced based on her quality. Actually there are very few things in Thailand that we need to negotiate the price for. Many of us prefer to take metered taxis. I may accept a deal with driver if I am in a big hurry, but not a really over priced one. Unlikely I could ever negotiate as good as the metered price or better. Most things in Thailand have a fixed price these days. I don't buy from touristy street stalls with rip off prices.

I even thought was funny at a short time hotel with a fixed price for the room, that one dude was trying to negotiate the room price down, for the whole night I guess. Clearly the receptionist has no interest and no power to do that. However he kept putting some small amounts of cash on the table, thinking she was going to cave in. It sort of showed a lack of respect that he thought some receptionist was desperate not to lose a room booking, or something about him coming from a culture where absolutely everything is negotiable. They are busy. Why should she care if he does not take a room? They will make more money by taking ST bookings.

I was getting slightly irritated because the guy was wasting so much time trying it on repeatedly, where I just wanted to grab a room quickly. The receptionist was too polite to tell him to fuck off.

Some Farangs have what is perceived as a bad attitude in Thailand for goods where the price can be negotiated, because they will ask the price, and then fail to negotiate or make a better offer, just refusing to buy. Unfortunately many Farangs are wanting to know the price, and not wanting to actually buy. They won't find out the true price by asking. So they should not ask if they don't want to buy. It is just wasting everyone's time. Would be worse if they negotiated the price and finally decided not to buy though.

Not all bargirls in Bangkok want to negotiate (some are willing). Even not all street freelance hookers want to negotiate. Seems they just can't be bothered if they think a good customer will come soon enough that accepts the possibly reasonable price. I have seen both very protracted negotiations (where girl is expecting customer to offer more), and also seen where girl does not make any lower offer nor listens to them. Just not interested.

I have heard one cannot get a decent priced taxi in Pattaya and negotiation does not help much. They all gang up to set silly prices. Similarly to catch a motorcycle from Soi 4 to Cowboy, one will be quoted a silly price, and unlikely negotiation will help. Its easier just to cross Sukhumvit road and catch a metered taxi for much less. If anyone can actually negotiate a motorcycle to the fair price from Soi 4 entrance, good luck to them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2386935]2016? Honestly, I haven't found GoGos to be fun in well over a decade. When the agency gals came in, the fun ended and service levels dropped.[/QUOTE]It can be, but just costs an arm and a leg compared to former times. Guys with lots of money to burn can have a good time.

For me the decline comes from several factors: Yes Agency Girls and Coyotes with excessive barfines, Arab Bars with unbarfinable girls, increase in ladyboys, drinks prices getting to steep especially lady drinks (caused by bars being less busy for customers), high increase is un-subtle surgeries, the change to cater more for Asian customers (chiefly Japanese and Korean), Farangs no longer being the preferred customer, dick scared girls (or overly timid girls with low experience), overdressed girls particularly relating to bras that hide everything, the decline in the types of music that DJs think is listenable, the crack down by government on girls with no Thai ID or wrong age or lewd behaviour, higher levels of girls with teeth braces even.

Very hard to find any aspects of improvement, at least for those who like the old ways. Some bars have cracked down on girls using drugs on the premises. Maybe that can be seen as an improvement (not sure). Some girls still seem spaced out.

I don't think I will be able to contribute much to this thread as it is already full of good credible guidance by senior members.

Started the evening at Soi 11. Sometimes I am let down by my country men. Either too busy selling bad food or hunting in a wolf pack. Grabbed a beer at the Mercure bar because it was empty and the Randy Orton lookalike was doing good cover songs of Frank Sinatra / Grover / Bono. Sat there for a while and seemed the streets were empty. Hailed a grab bike to Nana and the street seemed so much livelier. Bars, LBs, FLs and Indians. Saw a cute FL outside Hillary 2. Figured that the night is still young and time to get the blood running. Downed a beer at Hillary and moved to Hooters to be in the center of action. Saw many FLs stopping mostly Koreans / Japs / Chinese and avoided other nationalities. Maybe it's true that the trend is shifting. Met a nice gentleman at Hooters and discussed our favourite topics. Trump, Autocracy, Cambridge Analytica, Brexit and Global warming. It was a welcome change from the continuous chants of "Massage".

Jogged over to Thermae. Saw bunch of ladyboys standing so didn't bother going inside. Anyway going by RTFF and other websites, Thermae doesn't seem encouraging but may check out today as part of my To Do list.

Came back to Soi 11 and went to Insanity. The insanely hot chicks most hung around with Korean / Japanese and I am not so good at approaching girls unless I'm drunk. Couple of thick Thai ladies kept checking me out but they already had a bottle on their table. What's going to be my pickup line? Left Insanity and googled other clubs nearby. Some website suggested EQ but it's shut now and replaced with Badshaah Nightclub. Horror of horrors. Same story. Indian ushers pushing for club entry. At least hire some hot chicks to get customers for you. Its simple!

Saw the same cute FL still standing and it's been two hours since I saw her. Maybe expensive or ladyboy? She was on the shorter side and slimmer frame. Took my chance and approached her. She was not ladyboy but her face looked too modified and quoted 1500 baht. Price was fine but something was off. Didn't go ahead and walked away.

Came back to Soi 11 and went to Sugar. What the heck! Same story as Insanity. Bunch of Koreans hogging all the stunners. Got pissed and downed two JDs as it was about to shut for the night. Approached a cutie with a drink but she didn't respond. Guess I don't look much of a Gyoza man. Haha. While leaving the club saw an all natural mature lady and asked her where is the next party at. She said let's go to Terminal club on Asok road. Agreed as it was close to my hotel. Bought her entry drinks and danced the night away till 5. 30 am. She was grinding and rubbing but it didn't click for me. As the music ended she wanted to come with me but I was too tired and didn't feel okay to get her back. After free fucks in Chiang Mai and Phuket, I don't feel like paying for an average looking girl.

Can someone help with info on Mixx and other clubs in Nana to meet FLs. And less Koreans / Japanese.

Sorry for the long useless report.

Cheers.

As I mentioned I spend couple of nights at wireless road so here we go.

Day-1.

As I was staying at wireless road near to nana plaza. I came out from hotel and went to nana plaza. Then decided to just have a look at the street near hotels like Haytt and Marriott.

I saw couple of really beauty birdies. But when I approached them I realized that most of the them are TG. One can easily identify them as all were overreacting and trying to be a female which they are not. LOL. Their high desperation to get the client for night is another indication that they are not female. . Anyway I came back to nana plaza. I was about to enter into the nana plaza but then I saw a young beauty just opposite to the nana plaza. I could not resist and went to her as asked. How much? And how lucky I am she replied yes 1500 batt. Oh boy. I immediately asked night? She said 5 k. It was about 11 PM. I said done and then we moved ahead to my hotel. I was surprised. We were able to reach my room and nobody stopped us.

When we were into my room I asked her do you and protection she smiled and said open the mini bar. And again I was surprised. It was a pack of 2 protection in mini bar. She said. Most of the hotel provides protections in the mini bar.

We had some generic conversation which breaks the ice between us. Now she is more open with me. She told me that she is 22 but my exp was saying she must be 26 28 something like that. She was wearing a mini skirt. I told her go get some shower and dress up in same skirts. I told her about my fantasy that I always wanted to lick a girl into her skirt in my standing position.

She was following my order and then the next 6 7 hours I spend in heaven. She got perfectly nice body. Smooth like silk. Not even a single hair in her body. Her kitty was like perfectly placed two chinnes bun on top of each other and small pink whole in between them. Ohh boy I can't express more. Fucked her hard till I get tried. 4 5 different position. And ended in doggy every time.

Next day as agreed I paid her 5 k. I wanted her to spend next entire day with me but she told me she can't stop as she have to pay her college fee. Then she left the hotel. Then I spend my entire day into my room just sleeping. LOL.

Day-2.

Next night I headed towards soi 5 6 . But after spending some time. I realized crowd at nana plaza is quite happening. So it was about 12 AM I headed towards nana plaza. And after roaming around sometime. I met a MILF. She was quite sexy, slightly cubby. Handful of bobs and ass is prefect in shape. I discussed the price and after bargaining. We headed towards my hotel.

Then I had the ice breaking conversation with her. And realized she is a single mother and have a 9 months baby. She is doing this for her baby, I was like. That I got the gold mine. LOL.

She washed herself and came in towel. We straight ahead into the bed. Then I started kissing her neck. Earl obs and lips. Oh boy I never had such a smooth kiss in my life. Then I started sucking her boobies. I can't tell the experience guys. She had the cartons full of sweet and salty milk. I sucked her milk for next 15 20 minutes and she was producing. Erotic sound. It was amazing. 69. WOT. Miss, doggy. We did everything. Then later I released my load on her face. Which she cleaned from her hand and licked her hands.

When she dressed up again. I requested to taste her mild cartons. She smiled and allowed me to do so. Then I took another round of 15 20 min to suck her MILK. Then she left the hotel.

Next couple of days I just my business work and returned to my homeland. But what a country and what a babes. Hats off to you guy.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2387068]Jogged over to Thermae. Saw bunch of ladyboys standing so didn't bother going inside. Anyway going by RTFF and other websites, Thermae doesn't seem encouraging but may check out today as part of my To Do list.[/QUOTE]Thermae is adamant that ladyboys are not allowed to enter the bar so all the ladyboys stand outside hoping to grab the Japanese who are indifferent to girls or boys. You will not find a ladyboy inside Thermae. Only 100+ ready and willing girls. I recommend to go around 8:30 pm before the place becomes a zoo.

Dude don't apologize. We all want to hear all the slices of life that go on in the Sois of Bangkok. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Keep it coming!

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2387068]Sorry for the long useless report.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]What are you apologizing for? Long useless reports? At least its a report. Have you seen some posts from some other prolific here?

Keep up the good work. You have some energy to stay up drinking and dancing till 5.30 am. LOL.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2387068] And less Koreans / Japanese.[/QUOTE]Japanese and Koreans are everywhere They only use money not charm. I seldom saw any Japs / Koreans dancing well at any of the club's in South East Asia. When I was in Pattaya, my favourite pick up spot was ibar / insomnia. I were able to do an early night pick up from beer garden too.

Get a wingman from this group and work for each other, when I was started mongering, that was the easy way. The seniors in this group helped me much in various countries.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2387068]Jogged over to Thermae. Saw bunch of ladyboys standing so didn't bother going inside. Anyway going by RTFF and other websites, Thermae doesn't seem encouraging but may check out today as part of my To Do list.

Can someone help with info on Mixx and other clubs in Nana to meet FLs. And less Koreans / Japanese.

Sorry for the long useless report.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Like BB suggested, visit Thermae around 8:30. If you can get a good girl for ST for 2500-3000, give it a try. 25% of girls look good ro decent.

Not a huge visiter of Nana, but give a try to Billboard.

I usually go to Cowboy. Shark and Baccara are my usual bars.

Sometime next week, I want to checkout Thermae. I wanted to do this for a long time now but the logistics of a short time hotel scared me.

I read that Ruamchit hotel has ST rooms available. Can someone walk me through the check in and check out process? Do they take your ID? Do they report TM30? (that would be a deal breaker).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2386983]............I even thought was funny at a short time hotel with a fixed price for the room, that one dude was trying to negotiate the room price down, for the whole night I guess. Clearly the receptionist has no interest and no power to do that. However he kept putting some small amounts of cash on the table, thinking she was going to cave in. ..........[/QUOTE]I am not assuming where this dude was from but I have visited India and can say categorically that everything is negotiable. I am talking about entering a store to buy an item of clothing and you can negotiate the price down. I learnt that from experience and discovered that you can even buy electronic items in a store for less than you can purchase them online, India was the only country in which I experienced that. The only place where you cannot negotiate would be a big name supermarket.
I recall that in my last visit to Kolkata in 2014 I wanted a piece of carry on luggage that was being sold by a street vendor and we began to negotiate. I quoted a very low price and we were going at it. It appeared that the guy badly wanted to sell the item and eventually I got it for what appeared to me to be a steal of a deal. After I paid him he was clearly unhappy and after walking away with the item I felt a bit bad about the whole affair. The item is in very good shape up to today with the exception of one wheel that has been damaged. I used that carry on continuously until the wheel got damaged in 2017.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2386983]I even thought was funny at a short time hotel with a fixed price for the room, that one dude was trying to negotiate the room price down, for the whole night I guess. Clearly the receptionist has no interest and no power to do that. However he kept putting some small amounts of cash on the table, thinking she was going to cave in. It sort of showed a lack of respect that he thought some receptionist was desperate not to lose a room booking, or something about him coming from a culture where absolutely everything is negotiable. They are busy. Why should she care if he does not take a room? They will make more money by taking ST bookings.

I was getting slightly irritated because the guy was wasting so much time trying it on repeatedly, where I just wanted to grab a room quickly. The receptionist was too polite to tell him to fuck off.[/QUOTE]Almost everything about the Indian culture is a turn off. My company has a policy to not even negotiate with Indian companies at all anymore. They have to pay retail price. We will negotiate with everyone else because they are ethical, professional, and realize your time is valuable. We won't waste time negotiating with Indians because they just waste time offering too low.

I was in China at a market where everyone negotiates. I was looking at some shoes. At the same time an Indian guy was looking at the same shoes and he offered a price that was about 1/10 of what the shoes were marked. The Chinese girl told him no, and told him to get the hell away from her store and stop wasting her time. LOL. I then offered her even lower for the shoes than he did and she didn't kick me out, but she negotiated with me. I didn't buy the shoes because I wasn't really interested. I just wanted to see if she'd kick me out.

I did some consulting work in India a while ago, and the last night, some of the Indian managers joined me for dinner at what was supposedly the nicest restaurant in town (it was a small town, so the restaurant actually was nothing great). They had a buffet at the restaurant. We had the option of choosing the buffet or ordering from the menu. These Indian guys I was with wanted the buffet, but they wanted a different soup than the one that came with the buffet and they wanted it included in the buffet rather than ordering it off the menu. They argued with the waiter and manager of the restaurant for about an hour over this soup. They kept telling him if he wanted the buffet and that different soup, there would be an extra charge for that different soup. I think the soup was like 1 dollar US, so it was ridiculous to be wasting our time negotiating that. Finally, the restaurant actually agreed to include that soup with the buffet (which I did not like because it seemed unethical to be bullied into including it). Those Indian guys loved that soup and raved about it as they ate it. I thought it tasted horrible and I much preferred the soup that originally came with the buffet. What a waste of my time sitting there while they argued over that crap.

[QUOTE=BobVila;2387224]Sometime next week, I want to checkout Thermae. I wanted to do this for a long time now but the logistics of a short time hotel scared me.

I read that Ruamchit hotel has ST rooms available. Can someone walk me through the check in and check out process? Do they take your ID? Do they report TM30? (that would be a deal breaker).[/QUOTE]Not a problem. Just used it last week for the first time. No ID just 800 B for ST. Room was fine for a brief sexcapade with a Thermae hottie. And from someone who had moments ago walked out from the Hyatt regency club room where I was staying on my points accumulated from past few months of busy global travel staying at various Hyatts.

I happened to end up in Ruamchit due to funny sequence of events. Was shacked up in my hyatt room with my part time thai sugar babe. She would come back from office have dinner with me then take a nap. I would normally just go to some bar or something till she was up for the evening. That evening I decided to walk past Thermae and I happen to see an old Thermae flame walking with 2 Asian guys. She noticed me walking by and as she went down the steps into Thermae, discreetly motioned me to follow her. I kept walking but at some point decided to turn back and go in. After getting my customary drink took a lap around the room but did not see her. Instead noticed a hot 20 something on the left side inner circle. Had to walk up to her! Quoted 3 K ST and off we went to the room upstairs. She took care of the registration etc, I just handed the 800 B. As easy as that. BTW, it was a passionate BBBJ & covered FS. Well worth it to me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2387129]Thermae is adamant that ladyboys are not allowed to enter the bar so all the ladyboys stand outside hoping to grab the Japanese who are indifferent to girls or boys. You will not find a ladyboy inside Thermae. Only 100+ ready and willing girls. I recommend to go around 8:30 pm before the place becomes a zoo.[/QUOTE]There is one Ladyboy in there. You figure it which one.

They check the IDs of the girls at the door these days.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2386935]2016? Honestly, I haven't found GoGos to be fun in well over a decade. When the agency gals came in, the fun ended and service levels dropped.[/QUOTE]Yep. The agencies, the coyotes and the Asian vacation sexpats. The gogos have sucked since the turn of the century.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2387535]There is one Ladyboy in there. You figure it which one.

They check the IDs of the girls at the door these days.[/QUOTE]Do you mean the one who stands alone near the bar and has been there for years? Always thought she was a ladyboy.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2387537]Yep. The agencies, the coyotes and the Asian vacation sexpats. The gogos have sucked since the turn of the century.[/QUOTE]Well, I'd say since about 05.

Has anyone seen her? She used to advertise in CL "travel" as "Classy", and she seems to be.

40's, short hair, lots of ink, fantastic body but had a boob job.

Expensive, so I was wondering what an experience with her is like before I go for it.

And yes, I know I can easily anal a 20 something for way less than she wants, I'm somewhat obsessed.

Same with Maynie, but there are several reports on her.

[QUOTE=Gajith;2387151]Japanese and Koreans are everywhere They only use money not charm. I seldom saw any Japs / Koreans dancing well at any of the club's in South East Asia. [/QUOTE]Not an authority on the matter, but I've seen older (middle aged) Japanese guy who I thought were charming in their interactions with the girls (and or tried to use charm).

BTW, was in Thermae earlier this week, and frankly was not impressed with the lineup.

[QUOTE=Catire;2387655]Not an authority on the matter, but I've seen older (middle aged) Japanese guy who I thought were charming in their interactions with the girls (and or tried to use charm).

BTW, was in Thermae earlier this week, and frankly was not impressed with the lineup.[/QUOTE]The lineup was OK on Wednesday, but last night it was horrible. The worst I have ever seen. Just row after row of nerdily dressed fat assed butterfaces.

[QUOTE=Henrya77;2387646]Has anyone seen her? She used to advertise in CL "travel" as "Classy", and she seems to be.

40's, short hair, lots of ink, fantastic body but had a boob job.

Expensive, so I was wondering what an experience with her is like before I go for it.

And yes, I know I can easily anal a 20 something for way less than she wants, I'm somewhat obsessed.

Same with Maynie, but there are several reports on her.[/QUOTE]Why make your first post read like an advertisement for some girl? Seems silly. Better to post experience reports, for a few different places.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2387609]Well, I'd say since about 05.[/QUOTE]Yes I reckon they were still okay Up to 2005 in Cowboy, and declined gradually. I was pretty much happy with Sheba up till it closed (a few years later), although easy to spend too much, although probably avoided Long Gun since several years earlier (perhaps 2005+) , before tall Noi (super body) started working as the front of house girl. I liked a skinny show dancer called Ning, even just to watch her shows. She did a two girl cabaret act that was fairly professional, up till her co-dancer left (not the Phat Pong type stuff). So strangely Long Gun was a bar I would attend regularly for short visits even without barfining any girl.

In 2007 the Bangkok thread got archived.

Its hard for me to remember actual years now that memory is less sharp. Still I can read my very old reports, to find out when I was still doing Long Gun. 2008 I wrote that Long Gun was not a favourite bar any more even though I liked two girls and one waitress (naturally beautiful girls). So just visited occasionally, but BFed more in SuziW and Sheba, despite the cost rising.

Late 1990's to early 2000's I probably was doing very few bars at all. I was on a short leash most likely (Thai GF) and not in Thailand much. Not a great idea. Mid 1990's Nana Plaza had full nudity, but later Cowboy took over that role. I was missing at the time of that take over so not aware when Long Gun started nude dancing, but was a good period.

1991, one had to go to Pat Pong to see full nudity and indulge into multi girl orgies at lunch time. I never was into girls being over dressed. Pat Pong was in its prime for me, even had to avoid rip off joints. For me the decline of Nana corresponded with no more nudity so in the 1990's (early Nana Plaza was more like Cowboy. Girls were more slutty in a good way). The Lollipop Mermaid tank was a nice touch. 2005 could be about right for the start of Cowboy decline.

All bar areas were adversely affected by big increase in nose jobs and tit jobs for me, even well before the agency girls started arriving, and of course the rising costs, given girls were so cheap for the whole night in 1991.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2387374]Almost everything about the Indian culture is a turn off. My company has a policy to not even negotiate with Indian companies at all anymore.[/QUOTE]You might know may be maximun 100 indians, it doesn't mean the whole 1. 3 billion people have same attitude. I have travelled from the Canada border to key west and to Mexico city through Laredo border by land. I have seen too many homeless, beggars and super fat people doesn't mean that all Americans are like that.

I did travelled end to end Japan and saw so many homeless there too, but it is not the whole picture of the country.

For me, negotiation is a skill, if you are into IT, you can't get a service without an Indian involvement. It's up to your company to choose to whom you want to give a contract. But I have done some successful negotiations and managed to include additional services within the same cost.

Everything has changed from what you had seen before. I am in mid thirties and I volunteerly retired from my banking career and travelling round the world. I know so many young men nowadays taking career breaks at mid twenties and enjoying their life.

India changed a lot, so you can't compare everyone else with indians you knew.

[QUOTE=Gajith;2387867]You might know may be maximun 100 indians, it doesn't mean the whole 1. 3 billion people have same attitude.[/QUOTE]That would be a matter up for debate I'm afraid.

Don't waste your breath. The anti Indian thing here is just part of these guys view of life and probably most of the lurkers are the same. They're never going to change their mind. To them Indians are just one group to hate, next week Chinese next week Africans, next week thai men. These guys will always be ready to fight with their beliefs.

[QUOTE=Gajith;2387867]You might know may be maximun 100 indians, it doesn't mean the whole 1. 3 billion people have same attitude. I have travelled from the Canada border to key west and to Mexico city through Laredo border by land. I have seen too many homeless, beggars and super fat people doesn't mean that all Americans are like that.

I did travelled end to end Japan and saw so many homeless there too, but it is not the whole picture of the country.

For me, negotiation is a skill, if you are into IT, you can't get a service without an Indian involvement. It's up to your company to choose to whom you want to give a contract. But I have done some successful negotiations and managed to include additional services within the same cost.

Everything has changed from what you had seen before. I am in mid thirties and I volunteerly retired from my banking career and travelling round the world. I know so many young men nowadays taking career breaks at mid twenties and enjoying their life.

India changed a lot, so you can't compare everyone else with indians you knew.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2387598]Do you mean the one who stands alone near the bar and has been there for years? Always thought she was a ladyboy.[/QUOTE]I don't know which one you mean. The one I am talking about is very glamorous looking, and sits in the right corner where the seats start by the TV as you are of course facing into the room.

My favorites are Mamasan moon face and her daughter.

Looked at some 2006 posts (I used a different handle then). Interesting I wrote that I did not go to Pat Pong any more and it could be avoided (rip off style bars kept increasing). Largely poor service girls and expensive, plus all the LB bars. One guy wrote that Cowboy was full of LBs in all the bars. He was quite wrong. There may have been the odd secret one. Giotto wrote that Cowboy could not have LBs as that would scare away all the Japanese. How wrong. Japanese are their major customers.

Pat Pong was in its hey day when it had the most bars in about 1990 (I first went there in 1991). The decline already had started. There were still some very slutty bars and full nudity. There were rip off bars, especially in the street connecting Pat Pong 1 and 2 and maybe Lipstick and others. I did not become aware of Star of Light till much later, but still used Pat Pong occasionally into about 2001. I also went to Cowboy in 1991 but was not aware of Nana Plaza at all.

I believe I started at Nana Plaza in late 1993, Lollipop, Pretty Lady, and Hollywood (all on ground floor), and later Voodoo opened. I continued to visit Nana sometimes through 1990's and into early 2000's until the nudity disappeared and Lollipop Mermaidium was stopped. I believe 2002 was the big crackdown with Thaksin coming to power. So that is where I think the Nana Plaza decline started. Right now there seem to be very few bars of any real interest to me at all there. Too many over dressed girls. In its hey day Nana Plaza had about 39 shops, which has declined to 30 in 2015 and probably less now. Many bars open and close again after a short time. Its not easy to make them work. Could be 10 LB bars by now. I did have regular girls at Mercury and Billboard in recent years. They were quite non normal bar girls.

I was chiefly using Soapies in early 2000's (and late 90's). I could only get away from GF for short time before she would call to check where I was.

Somewhere in the early 2000's the gogo bar price of girls probably went up a lot so when I first went back to Cowboy in 2006, I had been away from bars for quite some time and little idea of the prices. At that time several Cowboy bars had full nudity. Being told that is what brought me back. Long Gun had been a fore runner but was already declining (as Goat pointed out). Relatively little girl full nudity time by 2006, and they were allowed to have big Bush. Suzie Wong had shaved pussies and more nudity and also shows that were erotic (like the lesbian shows) without being the Pat Pong style shows. Long Gun had the ugly shows. Some time later Long Gun improved with some cabaret type shows.

I later became more of a Sheba (Suzie Wong sister bar) patron as they had better girls and music than Suzie Wong. When Sheba closed, I moved to Crazy House and some Suzie visits. I always wanted girls dancing nude, which was long gone from Nana. I had a regular girl at Doll House too. Crazy House was a good bar (for some) when it first opened but it just gradually declined basically from then on over the years. I don't go there any more, and its a very long time since I barfined a girl there. Never was a fan of Bacarrat (due to excessive surgeries and stage too full to see the girls), although took a girl successfully a few times.

So right now it's hard to recommend bars in any gogo area in Bangkok. I have heard of the Pat Pong resurgence, but my visits there did not unearth lots of exciting girls, being a bit picky. One visit with Natty, the girl I liked in Kings Castle whatever was same girl I had already done in Twisters at Nana (was slow to realise at first). Pretty but not quite a perfect body (tits a bit saggy). Probably too much surgeries for me generally. Cowboy still has some bars with full nudity and shaved pussy. That greatly aids me to make a selection with no shocks about the body afterwards.

Not sure what year the Arab bars (these days said to be rip off bars) opened in Cowboy and the LB bars, and large number of Coyotes, but that only hastened the decline for me. Numbers of very pretty naked girls has dropped away. Cowboy gets closer to the worst years of Pat Pong, while Pat Pong perhaps improves again. So the decline of Cowboy started later than Pat Pong and Nana, but probably accelerated at a faster rate.

Some guys were totally fed up with the gogo bars many years ago, but I found it a better venue to give me a chance to select a pretty and fun girl, than MPs. I used to like Soapies heaps in the 90's and early 2000's, but then they declined too for session success rate. I probably did not start at Oilies till 2006.

I think guys can still enjoy some carefully selected Bangkok gogos if they are on a big budget and if they don't mind the surgeries too much. My visits start to get rare. It might not be value for money. Ha ha. I state the obvious.

Day 2 was quite dry and only saviour was Doki Doki. Hung out at the usual spot of Hooter to see street action. Saw an extremely hot FL standing just at the end of hooter (not Nana Hotel side) and almost every other nationality stopped to say Hi to her. I saw Koreans twice, Farang twice (assume one was Aussie because he was big), two Indians and the US guy whom I was chatting with couple of days back at Score bar. Almost no one seemed to take her home. Just for fun sake I decided to ask her the rate. Dunked my beer at Hooters (they never have Asahi! And casually strolled by her. She looked hot but her face was very sweet. Almost like a chinese doll. Exchanged some memorised pleasantries to break the ice. Asked her lot of guys stop by but you didn't go with anyone. She said all were bargaining and she knows her price. It was only 11 pm and Halloween so perhaps she waiting for a drunk to take her home. She quoted me 2500 baht and no blowjob. I thanked her politely and on my way.

Lesson. All FLs are not cheap, almost everyone bargains, irrespective of their nationality if the price is right or at least they know what is the street price, and ask before you take home!

Someone had suggested Shark and Bacarra and it was a very helpful suggestion. Bacarra has some beautiful girls and some really bad old girls. I called over a girl for chat and asked for a drink. Quickly got her a drink and started with the usual pleasantries and questions about work, life, travel etc. I was impressed with her english language and she did mention that she studied english for non-english customers (older Korean, Japanese business men) Looked around and noticed quite a number of professionals with their expensive Tumi bags chatting and groping away unwilling bar girls. Sigh! I liked her and said lets get out. Then came the shock of my life. She said bar fine is 600 baht + ST is 3000 that's only for an hour + 2 lady drinks. Umm, okay I told her I like you but I don't love you. Both of us laughed and she gave me a kiss and walked away. Now I realise the value of 'I hate to see you leave, but I love to watch you go".

It was almost closing time so decided to check out Shark but it was also closing and the girls outside in their skimpy bikinis did not justify spending the last 15 minutes there. Now right across there is Rio (if I can recall correctly in my drunk state) and saw three-four really good hotties. I walked across and one of them holds my arm and asks cutely. Why you come so late? I have to go home now. LOL. You got to love these Thai girls who can deliver practiced lines with an unequalled eloquence. Chatted with her while I was finishing my beer from Bacarra. She said she will take me to another bar while this bar closes. Apparently sister bar. Walked over to the bar and settled on the sofa. She said I will go and change. I heard I will go, change and then leave with you. Haha.

One of my earliest bosses had quipped once, Never assume because its makes an ass of you & me. She changed into a very cute top and denim shorts and said bye. I say where are you going. Home, I have an exam tomorrow. Fuck! Now I am in the new bar where I just ordered one lady drink and one beer for me. I tell mamasan that lady already leave why should I pay for lady drink. She say choose another. There were only 3 and not a speck to the girl who escorted me. I said I am not paying for a lady drink when lady is not here. Other two girls came and sat next to me. I ignored all three and kept sipping on my beer and did not utter a word till my beer finished. I paid 200 baht for the beer and kept it on the table. Mamasan came and took away money and lady drink. Wish I could remember the name of the bar but I think its two-three bars left of Rio.

Headed back to Sugar on Soi11 in some hope but it was a packed night and could not spot any FL who was not with someone. Thought of trying Minxx and quickly went out. I ask one guy for Minxx and he said 100 baht. I know he has a free taxi ride to Minxx because he is paid by the club. Went to minxx and very very disappointing crowd. Saw one cutie and approached her. She was very happy and I was happy too but I was not very happy when I looked at her upclose. I said bye to her and she said she was very drunk and wanted taxi money home. I said I can book a grab for her but I don't have cash. She got so angry! I was like what the fuck! She latched on to some poor drunk young farang sob and left the club with him. As they say "One man's trash is another man's treasure".

I came out of Minxx and saw two hippie farangs talking to a Arab guy and discussing what's open now. He mentioned Bamboo bar is the only place open now. So we decided (me and two hippies) to go Bamboo and negotiated with a taxi guy to take us for 150 baht. I should have just checked grab. Anyway, this thai middle aged lady (with very good english) walked up to me and said - "Are you going with them? If yes, do not. They are cheap hippies who like you because you are going with them and pay for them. Just say no and see what happens" I said I cannot go with them as I am too drunk to go anywhere and I need to sleep. Guess what! They also did not go and the taxi driver came hurling at me. This Thai lady intervened and said something to the driver in Thai. He walked away. She looked at me and winked. I thought she was a FL too as it was dawn, she was alone, she was tipsy but guess what. A pajero pulled up and she got in the back seat. It left me wondering. Why and what the heck!

Anyway, I had no clue where the F is Bamboo so just took a Grab Bike and saw Bangkok like never before. Its 5. 30 in the morning, the roads are empty and you can see Bangkok at its best. People setting up stalls, kids going to school, streets being cleaned of last night revelries and the sun yet to come out strong. Got dropped outside Bamboo and guess what. Its closed. Disappointed! Anyway, opposite side I see Grace Hotel. Famous for Arabic and Middle Eastern chicks! Dream come true but its already 5. 30 am. Anyway I go the hotel and immediately got put off by everything about it. Headed to the cafe grab coffee and baklava. Now its a hotel catering to Middle Eastern people so I assume they will have Baklava and coffee. But no, they don't have baklava and only have coffee with milk. So I google translate, milk on the side and black coffee only. Sigh! Saw these three middle age women, of which two were younger than the other one. Kept eyeing and smiling at me. Good lord, its 6 am! I smile back but not long enough to signal her anything. Quickly sip down my coffee and GTFU of the hotel. Came back to my hotel and slept peacefully!

Day 3 was better. To summarize, Mango+SW+Wood Bar+Insanity. Wood bar, caught a cute chick with a name bebe and thai name Kanjanaporn. Coincidentally, all three girls were from Isaan and yet looked very different. Kanjanaporn was a stunner and she would be better off sucking off cocks in fancy hotels rather than Wood Bar for 1000 baht. She was insanely cute, friendly and oh my god. What a blow job and my first CIM in Thailand. I usually do not CIM because its a waste for short time. I took her number in case I am unable to score outside. It was already 1. 30 am and I had to leave for airport at 3. 30 am so I had time for one ST. Dashed from my hotel to Insanity (higher entry price for global DJ who played shit music anyway). Made a beeline for the bar and quickly grabbed the free beer and started looking around. Saw a very cute looking chick (who for some reason did not seem Thai and almost chinese) I Sawasdee Krap'd her and she replied Hello. I was bit surprised and happy. She said she is from Hanoi! Bingo! Another on my list. Haha. Quickly closed the deal at 1800 baht (she started from 2500) and headed back to my hotel. In hindsight her friend was a better deal (big boobs, big butt and cute face). She got naked and had a stunning body like how I like (on somedays haha) Petite frame, smallish tits with big nipples and a round medium sized fleshy butt. Yummy! Did all the stuff in 45 minutes flat and asked her to fuck off. She cutely asked for 2500 to which I gave her bottle of water and a spank on her ass! Slept for an hour before I headed out to the airport.

I have put detailed report for Mango and SW in the relevant thread. Thanks to all members of this forum who make this a wonderful place for first timers in Bangkok. I mongered in Phuket and Chiang Mai as well. Will put out detailed report for Chiang Mai soon as Phuket is easy to score with very less places to monger at.

Cheers to all! Keep spreading love and cum at relevant places!

Too many cops on the streets this weekend to make it fun.

I long muted the most persistent trolls on here and the board is much more useful without their claptrap about Indians / Chinese / Bangkok isn't as good a before / my girlfriend is better than my hookers etc etc. Unfortunately can't mute when people respond to their tedious bullshit. I do take pleasure in the most number of muted comments in a row. I think the record is thirteen. Sometimes I go back and recheck.

My first visit to Bangkok is coming up soon. I'll be landing at BKK around 1 am on a weekday. Considering the time it'll take to get out of the airport and check into my hotel (about 3 km SSE of nana plaza), what are my best options for some quick fun? I tend to sleep a lot on planes and I'll be jetlagged anyway so I expect to be awake and kind of antsy.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2388444]I long muted the most persistent trolls <snip> Bangkok isn't as good a before.[/QUOTE]This would be almost every member on this thread, other than a newbie.

True but there some sheer shit artists who it is all they contribute.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2388477]This would be almost every member on this thread, other than a newbie.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Supmam;2388444]I long muted the most persistent trolls on here and the board is much more usufel without their claptrap about Indians / Chinese / Bangkok isn't as good a before / my girlfriend is better than my hookers etc etc. Unfortunately can't mute when people respond to their tedious bullshit. I do take pleasure in the most number of muted comments in a row. I think the record is thirteen. Sometimes I go back and recheck.[/QUOTE]Thailand thread is declining as well? I may well be muted. Ha ha.

Experience reports may well have declined. Guys name girls less. A problem is girls reading the reports or even being shown them by ISGers. Guys are scared of Psycho cases on the forum too.

However the very worst negativity trolls "the shit dumpers" have also declined. This forum was pretty ugly in former times, like 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago.

[QUOTE=Saurus;2388467]My first visit to Bangkok is coming up soon. I'll be landing at BKK around 1 am on a weekday. Considering the time it'll take to get out of the airport and check into my hotel (about 3 km SSE of nana plaza), what are my best options for some quick fun? I tend to sleep a lot on planes and I'll be jetlagged anyway so I expect to be awake and kind of antsy.[/QUOTE]My flights usually get me in and settled around the 1/2 am time frame too (though I tend to stay more towards soi 11). The street scene usually stays active until 4/5 am, so I would recommend just taking a stroll. There should still be plenty of choices around Nana. You can also head up Sukhumvit (towards soi 11). Left side of the road is where most FL would be.

For me ISG is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I have not paid as much as one penny to read reports some of which have been very helpful. I survey every post in a thread I'm interested in even stupid shit and irrelevant reports; obviously, I skim through posts that do not appeal to me going through the longest ones in just a couple seconds (it appears not everyone has that ability). I have never blocked or muted anyone, I am time conscious but not that sensitive.

[QUOTE=Saurus;2388467]My first visit to Bangkok is coming up soon. I'll be landing at BKK around 1 am on a weekday. Considering the time it'll take to get out of the airport and check into my hotel (about 3 km SSE of nana plaza), what are my best options for some quick fun? I tend to sleep a lot on planes and I'll be jetlagged anyway so I expect to be awake and kind of antsy.[/QUOTE]I assume at that hour, you will be able to reach your hotel by 2. 30 am or maybe slightly earlier. Try the following places, in my experience of 4 nights trolling at night.

1. Nana Hotel parking (but considering it will 2. 30 am it may be slim pickings).

2. Soi 11 - Insanity club closes at 3 am and people are mostly heading to Sugar which is on till 4/4. 30 am. Hence higher chances of street FL.

3. Cafe Thermae / Hyatt. I have seen lot of FLs standing on the stretch from soi 11 till Thermae with maximum concentration near S15 hotel but watch out for LBs (slim pickings though).

4. Soi Cowboy. Most bars close at 3/3. 30 am so you could probably barfine a girl or catch a girl going on way to her home.

5. Smooci. If all fails, just call someone over. Try the premium package as you can get some reviews by other premium members.

There are other clubs too like Mixx, Shock39 and the one in Grace Hotel but I think you will get local chicks at Mixx mostly. Other two cater to middle eastern / uzbek / CIS / indian / paki chicks.

Hope this helps. Rest senior members can pitch it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2387841]Why make your first post read like an advertisement for some girl? Seems silly. Better to post experience reports, for a few different places.[/QUOTE]Because my last time having sex in Asia was 2010. Is that really going to be a valuable report?

Probably not because:

I didn't pay for it.

I met her via defunct website.

But, it was excellent sex with a girl 24 years younger than me. I was late for work 2 hours due to morning sex. Well worth it.

I will be in BKK soon, and I plan to save a few days for naughty boy time.

I have found reports about one of the ladies I'm interested in. I was hoping to find about the other.

I spent couple of days at Bangkok before I fly out and the little spinner was ready to accompany me for the whole 2 days.

Upon arrival of the accommodation, she was already waiting for me there. We went for our first shot and dressed up and hang out for a while.

The next day, was on and off sex and site seeing. We have visited some temples and night markets. It is still fine as there is no entry fees for Thai people to the temples. So we don't need to worry about expenses.

On the 3rd day we checked out after a good fuck. Since she is working for money, I gave her some money but she was kind enough to ask me if I need some money from it after seeing I only had 300 remaining in my wallet.

Many of our fellow mongers asking me for her contact number and I did checked with her about that. She said she prefer meeting people in person at insanity / Soi 4/ Soi 11 etc and go with them.

Seems like she is a kind of picky, I found only 1 foreigner chatting with her on her whatsapp other than me.

If anyone need other girls contacts in Pattaya, Chiang Mai etc I am happy to share.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2388204]Day 2 was quite dry and only saviour was Doki Doki. Hung out at the usual spot of Hooter to see street action. Saw an extremely hot FL standing just at the end of hooter (not Nana Hotel side) and almost every other nationality stopped to say Hi to her. I saw Koreans twice, Farang twice (assume one was Aussie because he was big), two Indians and the US guy whom I was chatting with couple of days back at Score bar. Almost no one seemed to take her home. Just for fun sake I decided to ask her the rate. Dunked my beer at Hooters (they never have Asahi! And casually strolled by her. She looked hot but her face was very sweet. Almost like a chinese doll. Exchanged some memorised pleasantries to break the ice. Asked her lot of guys stop by but you didn't go with anyone. She said all were bargaining and she knows her price. It was only 11 pm and Halloween so perhaps she waiting for a drunk to take her home. She quoted me 2500 baht and no blowjob. I thanked her politely and on my way.

Lesson. All FLs are not cheap, almost everyone bargains, irrespective of their nationality if the price is right or at least they know what is the street price, and ask before you take home!

Someone had suggested Shark and Bacarra and it was a very helpful suggestion. Bacarra has some beautiful girls and some really bad old girls. I called over a girl for chat and asked for a drink. Quickly got her a drink and started with the usual pleasantries and questions about work, life, travel etc. I was impressed with her english language and she did mention that she studied english for non-english customers (older Korean, Japanese business men) Looked around and noticed quite a number of professionals with their expensive Tumi bags chatting and groping away unwilling bar girls. Sigh! I liked her and said lets get out. Then came the shock of my life. She said bar fine is 600 baht + ST is 3000 that's only for an hour + 2 lady drinks. Umm, okay I told her I like you but I don't love you. Both of us laughed and she gave me a kiss and walked away. Now I realise the value of 'I hate to see you leave, but I love to watch you go".

It was almost closing time so decided to check out Shark but it was also closing and the girls outside in their skimpy bikinis did not justify spending the last 15 minutes there. Now right across there is Rio (if I can recall correctly in my drunk state) and saw three-four really good hotties. I walked across and one of them holds my arm and asks cutely. Why you come so late? I have to go home now. LOL. You got to love these Thai girls who can deliver practiced lines with an unequalled eloquence. Chatted with her while I was finishing my beer from Bacarra. She said she will take me to another bar while this bar closes. Apparently sister bar. Walked over to the bar and settled on the sofa. She said I will go and change. I heard I will go, change and then leave with you. Haha.

One of my earliest bosses had quipped once, Never assume because its makes an ass of you & me. She changed into a very cute top and denim shorts and said bye. I say where are you going. Home, I have an exam tomorrow. Fuck! Now I am in the new bar where I just ordered one lady drink and one beer for me. I tell mamasan that lady already leave why should I pay for lady drink. She say choose another. There were only 3 and not a speck to the girl who escorted me. I said I am not paying for a lady drink when lady is not here. Other two girls came and sat next to me. I ignored all three and kept sipping on my beer and did not utter a word till my beer finished. I paid 200 baht for the beer and kept it on the table. Mamasan came and took away money and lady drink. Wish I could remember the name of the bar but I think its two-three bars left of Rio.
[/QUOTE]Glad you found Baccara and shark fine. Shark's girl quality has gone down or maybe because it's not holiday season. Bacarra is still my first-drink bar whenever I go to Cowboy.

Regarding the cute FL near hooters, she could be LB. I saw many tempting LBs there.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2388835]I assume at that hour, you will be able to reach your hotel by 2. 30 am or maybe slightly earlier.

There are other clubs too like Mixx, Shock39 and the one in Grace Hotel but I think you will get local chicks at Mixx mostly. Other two cater to middle eastern / uzbek / CIS / indian / paki chicks.

Hope this helps. Rest senior members can pitch it.[/QUOTE]Seriously you get Indian and Paki chicks in BKK I never knew it. Shed some more light on it brother and we see how to spread it even further.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2388742]For me ISG is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I have not paid as much as one penny to read reports some of which have been very helpful. I survey every post in a thread I'm interested in even stupid shit and irrelevant reports; obviously, I skim through posts that do not appeal to me going through the longest ones in just a couple seconds (it appears not everyone has that ability). I have never blocked or muted anyone, I am time conscious but not that sensitive.[/QUOTE]I've read your report in the Kolkata forum about this magic potion can you tell me more about it mate.

Have you used it yourselves or how are you so sure about it.

Cheers.

I'm visiting Bangkok for 2 weeks for last half of December.

I'm staying at Terminal 21 for the first 3 days, but I left the rest of the trip unscheduled. I was thinking of checking out Pattaya, but just as likely I would fly to a different country if I find a friend early.

I'm hoping to find a compensated travel companion who is hot / good in bed & has excellent English skills, and I don't really have any budget limitations (although obviously I'd rather not overpay).

I was planning to start w / gogo bars on Soi Cowboy but it sounds like from the reports here that maybe this isn't the best route.

Anybody have any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Saurus;2388467]My first visit to Bangkok is coming up soon. I'll be landing at BKK around 1 am on a weekday. Considering the time it'll take to get out of the airport and check into my hotel (about 3 km SSE of nana plaza), what are my best options for some quick fun? I tend to sleep a lot on planes and I'll be jetlagged anyway so I expect to be awake and kind of antsy.[/QUOTE]Realistically.

Arrive 1 am.

Tax, deplane 1:30.

Immi 2:15.

Customs 2:30.

In Cab 3 am.

At Hotel 3:30.

Open room door 4:00.

That doesn't account for plane delays, ground delays, having a relaxing dump, mean IOs, changing money, do you need a SIM?, traffic and efficiency at your hotel which is 3 klicks from the action. So unless you are screaming out of your room at 4 am unshowered, stinky from god knows how long in a flying petri dish, you might want to just be thinking of a rest.

By looking at your user name, you are from Asia. Short flight for you. I have easily 20 plus flights incoming from the US over the years, including ones before Swampy was built and I have never, let me repeat never gotten to my hotel in less than 3 hours, and I blow through Immi / Customs easier than others because I am an a Yank. But I generally arrive at 9 pm ish since that's when good flights from the continental US arrive. So you might save a bit in traffic.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2389340]I have easily 20 plus flights incoming from the US over the years, including ones before Swampy was built and I have never, let me repeat never gotten to my hotel in less than 3 hours, and I blow through Immi / Customs easier than others because I am an a Yank. [/QUOTE]I have been in my hotel in under 3 hours but mainly due to luck. Once I landed at gate D4 so I got to immigration pretty quickly and went to the left end of the counters. There was almost no-one around. The fast track lane was empty so they sent me there. I only had carry onso no waiting for luggage. Got the train then the metro to Asoke, BTS to Soi 24 and a short walk to my hotel where I usually stay, so it was a quick check in. This doesn't happen often and not waiting for luggage is a big advantage. If you arrive and are stuck away from the gates and have to bus in, there's a long queue at immigration and you need to wait for luggage, then under 3 hours is probably impossible.

It's pretty hard to check in at 4 am unless you have booked for the night before and told them you will be arriving very early in the morning.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2389279]Seriously you get Indian and Paki chicks in BKK I never knew it. Shed some more light on it brother and we see how to spread it even further.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]On Sukhumvit Soi 4, further down the street after nana and hooters. I saw them standing on the right hand side.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2389209]Glad you found Baccara and shark fine. Shark's girl quality has gone down or maybe because it's not holiday season. Bacarra is still my first-drink bar whenever I go to Cowboy.

Regarding the cute FL near hooters, she could be LB. I saw many tempting LBs there.[/QUOTE]Hehe, you must be good! I called three girls over for LD at Baccara and it seemed tad disappointing that they were all business oriented. Sit, have a shot, and pop the question. Am I wrong to assume that if I am calling you over for a LD, I would like to know if you are the kind of girl whom I would like to barfine at 4000 B. Only one slightly older lady (fully clothed yet having a badge number) was happy to chat away about (shock) - politics and upcoming ASEAN summit.

The LBs on Nana, stand in a ghetto across hooters and they were quite a favourite among older farangs. Any particular insight here?

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2389279]Seriously you get Indian and Paki chicks in BKK I never knew it. Shed some more light on it brother and we see how to spread it even further.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Haha! You like brown! Anyway, yeah Gajith is right. Eyed couple of them but honestly them seemed more Paki / East Indian rather than North Indian. In fact on the last night, I saw 3-4 Paki / Indians standing near the bars in Insanity club. Though the pickings would probably be meatier in Shock39 if you can tolerate the jarring music and sweaty armpits.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2389678]The LBs on Nana, stand in a ghetto across hooters and they were quite a favourite among older farangs. Any particular insight here?[/QUOTE]The street girls across from Nana, and all up and down Soi Nana, and their ladyboy compatriots, are the lowest of the low IMHO and IMFHO, self respecting farangs don't touch them. There's a lot of dudes into weirdness, especially Euro guys, so they go for the ladyboys. The rest of the beasts on that street are for the Cheap Charlies with no taste.

I'm sorry they aren't the lowest of the low. Go to Sanam Luang, that's where they are. The ones in Nanas are a notch higher. Just a notch.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2389340]Realistically.

Arrive 1 am.

Tax, deplane 1:30.

Immi 2:15.

Customs 2:30.

In Cab 3 am.

At Hotel 3:30.

Open room door 4:00.

That doesn't account for plane delays, ground delays, having a relaxing dump, mean IOs, changing money, do you need a SIM?, traffic and efficiency at your hotel which is 3 klicks from the action. So unless you are screaming out of your room at 4 am unshowered, stinky from god knows how long in a flying petri dish, you might want to just be thinking of a rest.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your candor. Your suggested timeline is close to what I was imagining but I was hoping to hear better news. I'll actually be coming from North America (the user name was chosen using a random generator), so I will be in desperate need of a shower. I guess I'll just write off those first few hours in favor of trying to adjust my internal clock. Thanks for the response.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2389679]Haha! You like brown! Anyway, yeah Gajith is right. Eyed couple of them but honestly them seemed more Paki / East Indian rather than North Indian. In fact on the last night, I saw 3-4 Paki / Indians standing near the bars in Insanity club. Though the pickings would probably be meatier in Shock39 if you can tolerate the jarring music and sweaty armpits.[/QUOTE]I have tried one of them. They are from Pakistan and Bangladesh. Services wise they are ok. Nothing much to write about.

So, this pickup happened rather randomly.

I landed at like midnight (this morning) and found that I stood no chance of passing out once I got to the hotel, so I figured I may as well go out on the town for a while and drink until I did. It was like 1:30 by then, so I walked over to Hillary 2 (never been in there before, and it's just a couple blocks from my hotel). Really didn't go there to pick anyone up, though I admit I was probably somewhat horny (though I intended to drink that away). Met some German chaps, drank heavily with them, and enjoyed the awesome live music. I still really don't know what Hillary is. Is it a pickup bar? A normal bar? Both? It has wall flowers with hand bags checking out the farangs that come in, so that rang similar to like thermae or something but it also has great live music and a lot of "good" girls, so it was confusing. I really have no idea how you're supposed to identify working gals without unintentionally offending a "good" gal there that was just there to enjoy the music and get drunk like I was.

Anyways, one of my drinking companions' eyes were wandering the ladies in the bar and I guess he met the eyes of one of the wall flowers and she came over. Didn't say a word, just took out her phone and typed in English "I'm deaf, sex 1500 baht. " Pretty straight to the point, though I guess the typical practical niceties would have been a little impractical given her condition. She was cute in her own way with twin braids, nothing to write home about, but she had an amazing ass. Still, I wasn't there to pick anyone up. After failing to entice the German guys (they were just there to drink too) she went back to her group. I guess they were all deaf? They were all doing the signing. I couldn't say if that's their particular hangout, as it was my first time there.

Anywho, when closing time came 'round (4, I think. ? Maybe it was 3) I waved her over. The horniness prevailed. Took her back to the hotel and without going too much into the play by play, I'll just say she was very good at what she did. I had no chance; I didn't last very long. Maybe it was the beer? I won't make excuses. Haha I have no idea if she's down for a-level or not, but she didn't complain about a finger in her back door while she was riding. She got me exhausted to where I needed to be to finally crash, and I gave her 2 k and sent her on her way. She asked for 1. 5, but I figure she earned it.

Can anyone explain to me what the standard operating procedure in that place is, though? Are a large chunk of the gals freelancers or was I just "lucky" or something? A couple of the older gals were rubbing up against me suggestively, but I didn't take that as any indication as that tends to happen wherever I go out drinking, working gal or not. I just don't typically go for gals older than me (I'm 30). In either case, probably won't repeat the thing with the deaf gal (I rarely repeat gals in the first place), but I will probably go back, the music was great. It always baffles me how a Thai singer can struggle so severely pronouncing English words while speaking but can then turn around and sing English lyrics (or even pap!) like they're fluent.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2389678]Hehe, you must be good! I called three girls over for LD at Baccara and it seemed tad disappointing that they were all business oriented. Sit, have a shot, and pop the question. Am I wrong to assume that if I am calling you over for a LD, I would like to know if you are the kind of girl whom I would like to barfine at 4000 B. Only one slightly older lady (fully clothed yet having a badge number) was happy to chat away about (shock) - politics and upcoming ASEAN summit.

The LBs on Nana, stand in a ghetto across hooters and they were quite a favourite among older farangs. Any particular insight here?[/QUOTE]Girls are happy to keep chatting, if you keep buying them more drinks. One drink only lasts a short time. Girls have to make money. At corner bar, a girl I know will sit with me as long as I like. However would get expensive if too long. The bargirl's job is to sell drinks and keep selling them. If she sits for a long time without selling drinks, management will not be happy. She has to be making an effort. There are bars where girls will also be O.K. with a certain amount of molesting if they are continuing to sell drinks. Many bars are just too noisy to have deep discussions, especially about politics, or Asean. However if you can manage it and want it, fine. You might be better off chatting to girls working in a Sports Bar, less noisy, or outdoor bars.

As for LBs on Soi 4, they could be almost anywhere on that soi, even if moreso on the East side. This forum is mainly about how to avoid LBs, since its a 100% hetero forum. A lot of Ladyboys are taken to ST hotels, especially Asoke Place near Cowboy. 90%+ of the customers doing that are Japanese. Even when I see guys walking with a ladyboy, majority are Japanese. However I have certainly met Farangs into that. No clue why they are into that. I need real pussy myself, but understand other guys are more into assholes. Certainly seeing a dick would be a massive turn off to me. I am okay With seeing and touching LB tits, considering that LBs are so proud of them and want to be touched, but its just curiosity. I never want to go below the waist. Never wanted to fuck one.

I was really put off by Bangkok Beat club when it was still there, due to guys full on tongue kissing LBs in there. It made me squirm somewhat, just the same as would if two gay guys were going at it. I think is good Thermae has a no Ladyboy policy, so they wait outside. Could be a good dozen or so outside there and all along Sukhumvit road. If two girls are going at it lesbian style, that is completely different and a turn on for me. I always like the Suzi Wong lesbian shows with full on pussy licking on show. Dick would go up for that.

[QUOTE=JohnGalt369;2389308]I'm visiting Bangkok for 2 weeks for last half of December.

I'm staying at Terminal 21 for the first 3 days, but I left the rest of the trip unscheduled. I was thinking of checking out Pattaya, but just as likely I would fly to a different country if I find a friend early.

I'm hoping to find a compensated travel companion who is hot / good in bed & has excellent English skills, and I don't really have any budget limitations (although obviously I'd rather not overpay).

I was planning to start w / gogo bars on Soi Cowboy but it sounds like from the reports here that maybe this isn't the best route.

Anybody have any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Soi Cowboy is all ok. Best bars are Shark and Baccara (try upstairs also).

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2389679]Haha! You like brown! Anyway, yeah Gajith is right. Eyed couple of them but honestly them seemed more Paki / East Indian rather than North Indian. In fact on the last night, I saw 3-4 Paki / Indians standing near the bars in Insanity club. Though the pickings would probably be meatier in Shock39 if you can tolerate the jarring music and sweaty armpits.[/QUOTE]I love brown girls, Indian, Paki, Colombian, Brazilian, Morrocan, Arab.

But if desi girl and in a club who drinks alcohol with me at my pace then money is unlimited for a stupid fool like me. In BKK every night after the club scene I would pick the girl or girls take them to Dubai restaurant where they have this Indian dance bar and sit there listening music what we like and enjoying with the girl in tow. She feels like a princess once I had 2 Colombians I picked from spasso or mixx I forgot but both were friends and they started dancing on the stage with the dancer girls in that Indian dance bar, it was absolutely crazy. Those are the moments to cherish and remember.

So I am a dumb spender if the mood and the girl is right, I still miss the club in basement I think in Novotel Siam square with Stan chicks the DJ was an Uzbek girl Kamilla and she would play songs as I knew her and her boyfriend dj Bom and would regularly send champagne to them.

I still miss the party scene in BKK there is nothing like BKK in the world I feel so.

Crazy it was.

Cheers mate.

I think it's time for BKK.

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2389730]I have tried one of them. They are from Pakistan and Bangladesh. Services wise they are ok. Nothing much to write about.[/QUOTE]Picked from which club mate: tell us more about it or from soi 4.

[QUOTE=Saurus;2389700]I appreciate your candor. Your suggested timeline is close to what I was imagining but I was hoping to hear better news. I'll actually be coming from North America (the user name was chosen using a random generator), so I will be in desperate need of a shower. I guess I'll just write off those first few hours in favor of trying to adjust my internal clock. Thanks for the response.[/QUOTE]Dude,

Let me tell you, I have done that flight from North America so many times, and it truly sucks. I do my best to route through Korea as it's more efficient then Taiwan.

[QUOTE=Saurus;2388467]My first visit to Bangkok is coming up soon. I'll be landing at BKK around 1 am on a weekday. Considering the time it'll take to get out of the airport and check into my hotel (about 3 km SSE of nana plaza), what are my best options for some quick fun? I tend to sleep a lot on planes and I'll be jetlagged anyway so I expect to be awake and kind of antsy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2389340]Realistically.
Arrive 1 am.
Tax, deplane 1:30.
Immi 2:15.
Customs 2:30.
In Cab 3 am.
At Hotel 3:30.
Open room door 4:00.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Saurus;2389700]I appreciate your candor. Your suggested timeline is close to what I was imagining but I was hoping to hear better news. I'll actually be coming from North America (the user name was chosen using a random generator), so I will be in desperate need of a shower. I guess I'll just write off those first few hours in favor of trying to adjust my internal clock. Thanks for the response.[/QUOTE]I hate the trans Pacific North American route into BKK too. But I won't book for a later arrival than 9:40 pm. The United / ANA Nagoya route is best for me. I have this one booked again for my next trip.

Anyway, On my last visit I arrived in BKK at 9:40 pm. I slept on the way over. The body was tired, but the adrenaline was pumping and sleep was out of the question. I deplaned, went thru immigration, baggage pick up, and taxi all in pretty good time. I arrived at my hotel around 11:30 pm. Quick shave, brushed my teeth, shower, a new set of clothes and I was standing outside of Thermae a little after midnight and by 12:30 am I was back in my hotel room getting sucked by a little sweetie.

So if you arrive in BKK around 1 am figure you will be on Sukhumvit looking for a nice girl at around be 3:30 am and THERE WON'T BE ANY PROBLEMS. Ha Ha. None. You will find plenty of SW's around AT THIS HOUR or you might decide instead to go to Insanity Club on Soi 11. Another viable option would be to book a Smooci escort as soon as you check into your room. It will take the girl about an hour to arrive at your hotel which would kill this option for me, but you might find it more to your convenience. .

My only question to you is why choose a hotel 3 km SSE of nana plaza for you late night arrival. You would be better served at a hotel right at ground zero (Soi 4 to soi 17) for your 1st night late arrival.

Tips: Don't set your goals too high. Just settle on a nice girl. ST only. Take a sleeping pill (Ambien) on the plane at least 6 hours before your arrival and change of planes in Asia. Then take another Ambien in BKK after the girl leaves so you can get some sleep. That is how you adjust your internal clock. You will then be fine with no jet lag the next day after you get 5 or 6 hours sleep in BKK and then you will be ready for some prime girl hunting the next night. The 1st night, especially a late night arrival, is all about getting you dick wet. The rest of the trip is about shagging quality girls. Have fun.

[QUOTE=TrueBlue666;2389838]So, this pickup happened rather randomly.
She was cute in her own way with twin braids, nothing to write home about, but she had an amazing ass. Still, I wasn't there to pick anyone up. After failing to entice the German guys (they were just there to drink too) she went back to her group. I guess they were all deaf? They were all doing the signing. I couldn't say if that's their particular hangout, as it was my first time there.[/QUOTE]I'm reasonably certain that I've picked up the same girl. Deaf, twin braids, reasonably short, often works the car park across the road but her and a few others drift in to the bars along Nana 4 later in the evening or if it's raining. I think that I picked her up in Hooters actually. Sort of cute, doesn't talk much (huge bonus) and bangs like a dunny door in a stiff breeze.

I'm not certain that all of the wallflowers in Hillary 2 are like that but a good number are.

[QUOTE=JohnGalt369;2389308]I'm visiting Bangkok for 2 weeks for last half of December.

I'm staying at Terminal 21 for the first 3 days, but I left the rest of the trip unscheduled. I was thinking of checking out Pattaya, but just as likely I would fly to a different country if I find a friend early.

I'm hoping to find a compensated travel companion who is hot / good in bed & has excellent English skills, and I don't really have any budget limitations (although obviously I'd rather not overpay).

I was planning to start w / gogo bars on Soi Cowboy but it sounds like from the reports here that maybe this isn't the best route.

Anybody have any suggestions?[/QUOTE]I don't quite understand why you might fly to a different country.

It is quite possible to get a travel companion from a bar or from a massage parlour, if happens that you two really hit it off. Try a girl for the night first, and if very good, repeat.

Soi Cowboy is a possibility. Avoid the "Arab's" bars: Midnight, Kiss, Sahara, Deja Vu, Rio, and the Ladyboy bars cockortoo, and another forgot the name. Crazy Cats not likely. Uni students in there. Other bars can be fine for me. In Nana, Billboard is the best bar for slimmer girls, for me.

Its impossible to say the best route. We are all different. I happen to like bars with nude girls. Definitely a cute pussy man.

I had my regular girl already, but by 10 PM was horny again. Intended to go watch a band at 24.00. So was thinking of a quickie first.

Went past Lolli-tas and Kasilong. Lolli had more girls out front, and were nearly acceptable, but not really hot slim, and certainly face could not be described as pretty. Kasilong had only 4 girls available. Quite average looking. Not good enough to excite me.

Moved on to Soi 4 and was surprised to find several good looking girls. First one, well up the Soi, was already negotiating with a guy and off they went. Missed her. Passed 3 Indians talking to a fairly plain girl. Passed an Indian looking girl in a traditional looking dress (or Myanmar perhaps). Then outside Bus Stop Caf 2 really pretty girls but were in the process of being taken by some Japanese guys. Later passed Pin (she was good for me at Boss but 2nd booking on Soi 4 went poorly). Down to Nana Car Park. My previous girl tall Mai was missing, darn it.

One girl with glasses was quite pretty (slightly goofy look). Her name was Woiwol, or Wongwol. I did not get it. Clearly not a Thai name. She could not speak Thai but answered correctly a simple Vietnamese phrase. First Viet girl I have ever chatted too here. She wanted 2000 as basic price. I would have wanted special things guaranteed for that price. Next came to another pretty girl Dream. Her price was 1500 but she said she did not really like DATY. I sensed not enough fun for sure.

There were maybe two other girls acceptable looking that I never talked to. I decided better to come back another time hopefully for Mai. So plenty of reasonable looking girls, but just did not find the perfect target girl available. One has to be careful to make the right choice. Plenty of dud girls on the Soi for sure, just like plenty of duds in the Thermae, but here would be a cheaper mistake.

My time was running out, did not find a quickie, quick enough. Maybe an MP girl tomorrow, instead, if can find one with good enough looks. If not, I have my regular.

Went off to watch band in Cowboy Corner bar that starts up after midnight. They have two Filippine singers that do duets and harmonies. Some good songs from Sia, Killers, Linkin Park (my requests), and plenty more good ones. So I was okay. I think the young Filippine guy is reasonably talented and he could even sing a Thai Reggae song I asked for (in Thai language). he may have been in Thailand from a young age or even born here.

The earlier band (before midnight) is just horrible for me. Heavy Rock and heavy metal. Pitch well off, and the girl is just a screamer like in AC / DC but not that good. Just hurts the ears. The bar has a couple of girls I could barfine. One is very tall and slim and acts up so much that one would think she is a ladyboy, but actually maybe not. Maybe her face is just too small to be a LB. Can't detect any surgeries. The odd hotty came in from elsewhere to use the toilet. One girl coming in at times in a dark mustard jumpsuit was really hot. I must find out where she works.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2390181]I don't quite understand why you might fly to a different country.

It is quite possible to get a travel companion from a bar or from a massage parlour, if happens that you two really hit it off. Try a girl for the night first, and if very good, repeat.

Soi Cowboy is a possibility. Avoid the "Arab's" bars: Midnight, Kiss, Sahara, Deja Vu, Rio, and the Ladyboy bars cockortoo, and another forgot the name. Crazy Cats not likely. Uni students in there. Other bars can be fine for me. In Nana, Billboard is the best bar for slimmer girls, for me.

Its impossible to say the best route. We are all different. I happen to like bars with nude girls. Definitely a cute pussy man.[/QUOTE]Thanks Syzygies / GogoGuyz. Flying to a different country mainly because I've been to Thailand before (non-single) for 2 weeks, so I feel like I've seen a lot of Chiang Mai / Phuket / Bangkok.

I'd like to visit other countries in the region, albeit w / a fun companion.

[QUOTE=Henrya77;2388913]Because my last time having sex in Asia was 2010. Is that really going to be a valuable report?

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I have found reports about one of the ladies I'm interested in. I was hoping to find about the other.[/QUOTE]I realized after I posted that the above wasn't entirely accurate.

I did get something in VN a year ago, posted about it in the Saigon section.

I used wechat to get a girl, and plan to do the same by firing up LINE when I am in BKK. I Also have a few on my line from Thaifriendly. Between those two methods I expect to find more friendly companionship than I will have time for.

After I take one for the team on S, that is I'll also see Maynie, and report.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2390110]My only question to you is why choose a hotel 3 km SSE of nana plaza for you late night arrival. You would be better served at a hotel right at ground zero (Soi 4 to soi 17) for your 1st night late arrival.[/QUOTE]Essentially because it's not only a mongering trip and although I won't have a spouse and kids with me, most of those decisions have been informed by more traditionally socially acceptable activities and the need for plausible deniability. I'll probably use other, closer hotels for the girls.

[QUOTE=JohnGalt369;2390423]
I'd like to visit other countries in the region, albeit w / a fun companion.[/QUOTE]Okay However Thailand has many nice holiday destinations but depends what you are looking for.
I have been to Phuket at least 3 times (same for Chiang Mai) and its probably enough.

I like nature more than cities, temples and monuments. I took a girl to Krabi and Phi Phi Island and had a pretty good time. Also took a girl to Koh Lipe in the south. I also liked Mae Hong Son province. Some interesting provinces still yet to be tried. Yet to go to Koh Lanta. There are also historic ruins in several locations in Thailand, Sukhothai probably the best (Ayuthaya a little too much destroyed perhaps). Also took a Thai girl to Singapore but that works out expensive. Hong Kong I don't like at all. Thai girls probably love to be taken to South Korea, at a guess, if they are still let in easily (not sure). No need to take a Thai girl with you to Cambodia, Indonesia, or Myanmar (or even Singapore I guess). Meaning can find girls locally.

[QUOTE=JohnGalt369;2390423]
I'd like to visit other countries in the region, albeit w / a fun companion.[/QUOTE]Almost any Thai girl would go with you to Japan or Seoul for free. Singapore is possible too but Singapore hotels are damn expensive. You may have to pay her barfines if it's not her days off.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2390563]Almost any Thai girl would go with you to Japan or Seoul for free. Singapore is possible too but Singapore hotels are damn expensive. You may have to pay her barfines if it's not her days off.[/QUOTE]Agreed. All good points. For sure Japan and Korea are exciting destinations for Thai girls. Hong Kong maybe not unless they think of shopping. If Singapore, the girl will probably love the Marina Sands, but very expensive to stay there. Can just go up top for a meal and a few drinks. My girl smoked a big cigar. LOL.

Best to ask the girl how much she needs to get per day away, and if depends on the destination. It can vary a lot.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2390575]Agreed. All good points. For sure Japan and Korea are exciting destinations for Thai girls. Hong Kong maybe not unless they think of shopping. If Singapore, the girl will probably love the Marina Sands, but very expensive to stay there. Can just go up top for a meal and a few drinks. My girl smoked a big cigar. LOL.

Best to ask the girl how much she needs to get per day away, and if depends on the destination. It can vary a lot.[/QUOTE]Almost most thai girls want to go to Japan, Honk Kong and Korea (in this order, most of the times). I went with one few months back to Japan for a week. She was super cute and hot and I had a great time, so that was worth it.

I am not so sure about Singapore, because I haven't met any girl here who said she want to go to Singapore. Also I don't see why she would visit unless she has already travelled most of SE asia. Plus like others said Singapore is expensive and there's not much to see (if you into nature), it's mostly for shopping.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2390625]Almost most thai girls want to go to Japan, Honk Kong and Korea (in this order, most of the times). I went with one few months back to Japan for a week. She was super cute and hot and I had a great time, so that was worth it.

I am not so sure about Singapore, because I haven't met any girl here who said she want to go to Singapore. Also I don't see why she would visit unless she has already travelled most of SE asia. Plus like others said Singapore is expensive and there's not much to see (if you into nature), it's mostly for shopping.[/QUOTE]Hong Kong is the shittiest for me, due to the local culture being so ugly, although its really many many years since I went there. Also poor for nature. It could have changed a lot. More recently went to Guangzhou which is probably similar. So that would be last for my personal preference. I am not really into the local Hong Kong girls that much either, perhaps did not find the talent, but don't see much point to take a Thai girl there.

My very first trip to Thailand and to Hong Kong (perhaps 1983), I hated Hong Kong, but enjoyed Chiangmai, Bangkok and Phuket. I had Farang girl with me. The respective cultures were so different.

Girls like Singapore for Fashion. Sentosa park is touristy although not exactly nature. The Bird Park is tolerable. I would expect Korea to be number one preferred Thai girl destination, but maybe wrong.

I have been looking around to find prices for the gentlemen club The Pimp. In the end I found the online booking site, which gives you some insight of what is possible: ([URL]https://vipclub.checkfront.com/reserve/[/URL]). I've also asked for prices, to which I got an email back with the same details as on the booking site.

Hereby an overview of my findings, which is also very much for my own use (I still need to decide if I want to pay this much money). Note that I have not yet been there, so this is all from the website. And no, I know this post will make me a suspect but I don't have any shares in this outfit. Just want to make things a bit more transparent.

Costs per lady for the first hour, for members / non-members:

- Pr 1,650/1,900.

- Dancer 2,310/2,660.

- Bikini 2,310/2,660.

- Model 2,310/2,660.

(additional hours are 660/760 for all girl categories).

Membership for 12 months equals 20,000 bht, which gives you one of the following (next to entrance):

- 6 bottles Black Label (1 L).

- 7 bottles Henessy VS (70 CL).

- 6 bottles Absolute (70 CL).

- 80 bottles Heineken.

- 80 bottles Singha.

Non-membership options (including entrance):

- 1 bottle Black Label: 5000.

- 1 bottle Gold Label: 5000.

- 2 bottles of beer: 1000 (entrance is per person; normally beers for 360).

In addition you can get a spot in the live band zone for 600 bht or private VIP rooms / party rooms ranging from 2,500 thb to 10,000 thb. The girls seem to get more hands-on inside the private rooms, so that may be worth it. Otherwise, I think I would prefer the live band zone. So perhaps a combination is possible to arrange. Membership required if you want to make a reservation for private rooms on Friday or Saturday. Online booking seems to give some discounts. Combining the above in various ways, this is a set of packages that may be interesting:

- 1 guy (non-member): 4940 (1 girl, 4 hours) + 600 (VIP table in Live Band Zone) + 3000 (bottle Black Label 70 CL at discount) = 8540.

- 6 guys (1 is member): 6 x4290 (6 girls, 4 hours) + 600 (sofa in Live Band Zone) + 20000 (6 bottles Black Label 1 L + membership 12 months) = 46340 (7723 per person).

- 6 guys (1 is member): 6 x4290 (6 girls, 4 hours) + 4500 (large VIP room) + 18000 (6 bottles Black Label 1 L at discount + membership 12 months) = 48240 (8040 per person).

- 1 guy (non-member): 4940 (1 girl, 4 hours) + 600 (VIP table in Live Band Zone) + 3000 (bottle Black Label 70 CL at discount) + 5000 (extra bottle) = 13540.

- 3 guys (1 is member): 3 x4290 (3 girls, 4 hours) + 2500 (small VIP room) + 18000 (6 bottles Black Label 1 L at discount + membership 12 months) = 33370 (11123 per person).

Now this assumes we only drink Black Label and that you will need 4 hours to empty one bottle (for 1 guy and 1 girl). The last two packages assume 2 bottles, in case you need it (I drink a bit faster and those girls are trained to drink). Now probably the girls will want you to buy some tequila shots and have some food as well, so you may consider the above packages as minimum prices for 4 hours of fun. And the above also assumes online booking for the discounts. And oh yes, it also assumes that you need 1 girl to satisfy your needs. Just add 4 - 5 k for every girl you need extra for the 4 hours.

Disadvantages? Obviously: no ST rooms on premises. And it's quite far away from the regular Nana / Cowboy area. You would have to prepare some transport.

Advantages? Girls are probably very pretty and with a large selection there's something for everyone's taste. Good service can be considered guaranteed at this price. Entertainment and atmosphere will be top.

My conclusion? Yeah, it's pricey! Value for money? Only one way to find out. The 3 guys option above seems most attractive for me, anyone interested 20-25 November just PM me.

On soi 4 tonight. Some very attractive, some not so. One really stunning gal down near the area of the old Rajah. Walked up to her expecting to pull the trigger instantly. Was expecting the usual 2 k tariff. She quoted 3 and wouldn't budge off of it. I asked for 2 shots and CIM. Both refused. So I passed, but I'm sure she'll get her price. Best looking gal I've seen on soi 4. Tall, white, slim, very pretty face, no baby, about perfect. Many Viets that just blow the locals out of the water.

[QUOTE=BestTimeEver;2390630]
Disadvantages? Obviously: no ST rooms on premises. And it's quite far away from the regular Nana / Cowboy area. You would have to prepare some transport.
[/QUOTE]It's not that far out really. Only a km or 2 from RCA. I went to Saeng Jan entertainment hall just up the road from there with a Japanese buddy once. Not a problem for location. At night time would not expect traffic jams. Could even choose a closer Hotel like Swissotel Ratchada to stay, or Holiday Inn Soonwijai.

No ST rooms simply means they want to maintain some class (ha ha) rather than being a straight brothel, despite the name. I am sure some guys on here have attended.

Not for me personally. I buy drinks in a gogo bar for a bit less. However if you want more class and can afford it, great.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2390684]On soi 4 tonight. Some very attractive, some not so. One really stunning gal down near the area of the old Rajah. Walked up to her expecting to pull the trigger instantly. Was expecting the usual 2 k tariff. She quoted 3 and wouldn't budge off of it. I asked for 2 shots and CIM. Both refused. So I passed, but I'm sure she'll get her price. Best looking gal I've seen on soi 4. Tall, white, slim, very pretty face, no baby, about perfect. Many Viets that just blow the locals out of the water.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Yeh I reckon they know what they can get. Stands to reason the standard improves on Friday and Saturday nights. Most of the girls I met seemed to be less keen on negotiating.

One of my favourites (a tall Bangkok Thai girl Naam) had a price only 1300, and strangely many customers (various nationalities) were trying to negotiate down to even well under 1K. She never showed any interest in talking to them any further. Heard she now has a sponsor and is pregnant to boot.

I was really weird. I offered her more than 1300, but I wanted special treatment. She performed just great for me including GFE. Her only weakness for me was quite small tits, and of course not being there any more.

Those that say the Soi has only dogs, are a little misguided I think. The standard can vary wildly. I still want a chance with the stunning deaf girl if she ever shows up again. She could nearly name her price she was so hot of the slim type. Her face was amazingly pretty to my taste (but could have been under age). She was way better to me than any of the girls in the bars. Only ever saw her once or twice and she tried to fob me off onto her friends.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2390684] Was expecting the usual 2 k tariff. She quoted 3 and wouldn't budge off of it. I asked for 2 shots and CIM. Both refused. So I passed, but I'm sure she'll get her price. Best looking gal I've seen on soi 4. [/QUOTE]I know we're not supposed to inflate the pricing for others bla bla bla and I certainly don't throw money around but if I see a girl who is the best looking girl I've seen at a certain place I certainly would NEVER turn her away for 1000 baht more than I was expecting to pay, only to walk to Soi 4 for the next year and see no one else like her.

Glad to see some Viets sneaking in to Thailand for work. Hope they're hotter than the working girls I saw in HCMC.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2390689]It's not that far out really. Only a km or 2 from RCA. I went to Saeng Jan entertainment hall just up the road from there with a Japanese buddy once. Not a problem for location. At night time would not expect traffic jams. Could even choose a closer Hotel like Swissotel Ratchada to stay, or Holiday Inn Soonwijai.

No ST rooms simply means they want to maintain some class (ha ha) rather than being a straight brothel, despite the name. I am sure some guys on here have attended.

Not for me personally. I buy drinks in a gogo bar for a bit less. However if you want more class and can afford it, great.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know, you're right. It's not that far. Even though many taxi drivers will try to take you for a sightseeing tour LOL For the distance I'm more concerned for the way back, I've read somewhere that there are hardly any taxis waiting around closing time at 5 am.

For me it will probably be just a one-time experience to enjoy, out of curiosity, before switching to something else like gogos, MPs or anything else.

[QUOTE=BestTimeEver;2390630]I have been looking around to find prices for the gentlemen club The Pimp.

Costs per lady for the first hour, for members / non-members:

- Pr 1,650/1,900. Dancer 2,310/2,660. Bikini 2,310/2,660. Model 2,310/2,660. (additional hours are 660/760 for all girl categories).

Membership for 12 months equals 20,000 bht, which gives you one of the following (next to entrance):

- 6 bottles Black Label (1 L). - 7 bottles Henessy VS (70 CL). - 6 bottles Absolute (70 CL). - 80 bottles Heineken - 80 bottles Singha.

Non-membership options (including entrance):
- 1 bottle Black Label: 5000. 1 bottle Gold Label: 5000. - 2 bottles of beer: 1000 (entrance is per person; normally beers for 360).

In addition you can get a spot in the live band zone for 600 bht or private VIP rooms / party rooms ranging from 2,500 thb to 10,000 thb. The girls seem to get more hands-on inside the private rooms, so that may be worth it. Otherwise, I think I would prefer the live band zone. So perhaps a combination is possible to arrange. Membership required if you want to make a reservation for private rooms on Friday or Saturday. Online booking seems to give some discounts. Combining the above in various ways, this is a set of packages that may be interesting:

- 3 guys (1 is member): 3 x4290 (3 girls, 4 hours) + 2500 (small VIP room) + 18000 (6 bottles Black Label 1 L at discount + membership 12 months) = 33370 (11123 per person).

Now this assumes we only drink Black Label and that you will need 4 hours to empty one bottle (for 1 guy and 1 girl). The last two packages assume 2 bottles, in case you need it (I drink a bit faster and those girls are trained to drink). Now probably the girls will want you to buy some tequila shots and have some food as well, so you may consider the above packages as minimum prices for 4 hours of fun. And the above also assumes online booking for the discounts. And oh yes, it also assumes that you need 1 girl to satisfy your needs. Just add 4 - 5 k for every girl you need extra for the 4 hours.

Disadvantages? Obviously: no ST rooms on premises. And it's quite far away from the regular Nana / Cowboy area. You would have to prepare some transport.

Advantages? Girls are probably very pretty and with a large selection there's something for everyone's taste. Good service can be considered guaranteed at this price. Entertainment and atmosphere will be top.

My conclusion? Yeah, it's pricey! Value for money? Only one way to find out. The 3 guys option above seems most attractive for me, anyone interested 20-25 November just PM me.[/QUOTE]Well it certainly looks like you did your homework BTE (BestTimeEver). The Pimp Club obviously intrigues you and I am one of the last guys on this forum who would try to discourage you from going there. I have been there and all I have to say is that with the right attitude and a credit card, the Pimp Club can be a lot of fun and you will meet some very sexy and interesting girls, but here are a few things to consider before you go:

#1 the amount of time you plan to spend in BKK is a factor. For example, if you are only staying here for a week or so the benefit of the Pimp Club declines rapidly unless money is no object and you just want to enjoy a night in the club fooling around and drinking with 3 or 4 girls. The tab for such a night will run you 15,000 to 30,000 baht depending on how many girls you ask over and how long you keep them. You also have the option of taking a girl or girls to a private VIP room for 5000 per hour where she or they will be topless and you will have a lot more hanky panky, but none of the private in club entertainment will include vaginal intercourse, although many Pimp girls will barfine and the barfine is 25 lady drinks + the girls fee of 5000 baht or more for a LT overnight session. It should be noted though, that most Pimp girls are good girls and they will tell you not to waste your money and barfine them, but rather to add them to your Line account so the two of you can make arrangements to see each other at your hotel later. This is where being a member and staying for longer periods of time in BKk begin to make the membership pay dividends. I kind of like the idea of having a repeat favorite Gentlemen's Club girl even if the initial cost of finding one is very high, too high for most ISG'ers I am afraid.

#2 it is probably better to visit the Pimp Club with a couple of friends. That way you can defray some of the cost and it becomes more fun to take a group of girls, 2 or 3 girls per guy, to a private room for a party and then in the room you can let one or two go after the 1st hour if they are not adding anything really good to the mix. Remember, if going solo there is also an option for a mini Pimp Club membership for 5 k and with that you get 2 bottles of Black Label. So, if you only have 1 girl and already have membership the cost is not too high, but I guess that depends on your definition of "too". 555.

#3. The question of looks ie are the Pimp girls better looking than A) Go Go girls and or B) Soapy Massage girls? Well, IMHO the average Pimp Club girl are not better looking than the top 5% to 7% of Go Go girls in my favorite Go Go's. They are just different. Pimp girls are light skinned and a little older, in their mid-twenties compared to your above average 19 to 22 year old Isan Go Go girl and Silly Cones are more prevalent with your average Pimp Club girls. Thus, a more apt comparison would be between Pimp girls and high-end Soapy girls like the ones found in Maria Hotel Spa. Here the comparison is roughly on par facially, ethnically, and age wise.

So, the choice turns on what are you looking for and how much you care to spend. If your time is short and you want to lay attractive, twenty something, light skinned girls, then go to Maria Hotel Spa. You will spend 3000 to 10,000 baht for a full-on session with one of their girls and you won't regret it. In fact, doing 3 Maria Spa girls in one long night will probably not cost you more than drinking for 3 or 4 hours while fondleling and recieveing hand jobs from 2 or 3 Pimp Club girls in a VIP private Club room. Take your pick. They are two distinctly different types of nights out on the town but with similar looking, light skin girls.

Anyway, have a great trip. Don't over plan. I am looking forward to hearing about your trip.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2390721]Anyway, have a great trip. Don't over plan. I am looking forward to hearing about your trip.[/QUOTE]Haha. Too late, I always over plan! But that's just me, and it helps me with making decisions. Thanks a lot for your input Natty. And of course I will try to report back on anything interesting.

Your points are all very valid and a great addition to the knowledge base on the Pimp. So only with the intention to add to your points, not to dispute anything, hereby just a few additional remarks.

Because my free (mongering) time is becoming more and more scarce, I'm caring less about the costs. After all, it may be that my next punt will be in one year, so I will have time to save for my next trip. Your note on the value of memberships sounds very true, it pays off to be in BKK longer. But my spend for one evening can be higher than for a resident. Perhaps it needs to be, as it is more critical for me to hit bullseye with any party during this one week. Residents can think that there will be something better next week. But for me, there will be no next week (in BKK).

As a last note: I will probably not base my decision (whether to go to the Pimp or not) only on the basis of any horizontal action. I will also include the music, a night of entertainment by pretty girls, a good view on more pretty girls, and also the thrill of doing something new. If it were only about getting laid, I totally agree that there are other better options. Indeed, it all depends on what we are looking for, as you rightfully stated.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2390684]On soi 4 tonight. Some very attractive, some not so. One really stunning gal down near the area of the old Rajah. Walked up to her expecting to pull the trigger instantly. Was expecting the usual 2 k tariff. She quoted 3 and wouldn't budge off of it. I asked for 2 shots and CIM. Both refused. So I passed, but I'm sure she'll get her price. Best looking gal I've seen on soi 4. Tall, white, slim, very pretty face, no baby, about perfect. Many Viets that just blow the locals out of the water.[/QUOTE]I passed Soi 4 later looking for tall Mai. She was missing again. Passed 4 white skinned Viets (heard their language) in front of Rajah Broadway, one quite pretty (but not my spec). None were tall so I guess different ones. Tall girls on the Soi seemed to be all LBs tonight except for hottest girl I saw in skin tight semi see through outfit showing her fabulous ass (not large just perfect) was a black girl with curly hair. No chance to check her out properly as she was hurrying down the Soi. Some LBs with a good face but body no where near as good as the black girl. LBs often have an exaggerated curve from waist to thigh that just looks wrong and artificial.

Nearly considered a Thai girl on hooters corner, but waist was just a bit too thick for my liking. Overall standard a bit lower than my previous visit. I can just miss out till the morning. Earlier checked out a couple of Cowboy bars, but was probably too late in the evening as the talent levels were down. Kazy Kozy was poor. Not enough girls were nude, and not enough girls were pretty (meaning almost none), and they have silly shows too much. Customers were really quite low, where Crazy House would be busy. I guess better girls had been BFed already. I still believe if attending bars, one really must be there by 9 pm latest, otherwise can see the dregs remaining.

Natty I had no idea you knew the expensive venues as well. You are a veritable font of knowledge. So let me ask you this (others as well). While I like saving a buck as much as the next guy let's suppose I can spend around 8-10 K Baht a night for six days. So let's say 50-70 K baht for the week. I know I can do it for ALOT less, but I don't want to rule things out.

And I LOVE the king of the world experience, where it's not just pick a girl and go. I like spending time in the club with lots of choice. A nice venue. Dancing with the girls, drinking and getting friendly. And then take my favorite after a couple of hours of fun and girl shopping.

Given all the above what would be your top recommends?

Thanks Steve.

P.S. I just reposted some useful FRs in London and So Paulo threads for those that enjoy a good FR. Also having GREAT success stateside (and in Buenos Aires and London) with Seeking Arrangement. Seniors IM me if you want details.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2390745]Natty I had no idea you knew the expensive venues as well. You are a veritable font of knowledge. So let me ask you this (others as well). While I like saving a buck as much as the next guy let's suppose I can spend around 8-10 K Baht a night for six days. So let's say 50-70 K baht for the week. I know I can do it for ALOT less, but I don't want to rule things out.

And I LOVE the king of the world experience, where it's not just pick a girl and go. I like spending time in the club with lots of choice. A nice venue. Dancing with the girls, drinking and getting friendly. And then take my favorite after a couple of hours of fun and girl shopping.

Given all the above what would be your top recommends?

Thanks Steve.

P.S. I just reposted some useful FRs in London and So Paulo threads for those that enjoy a good FR. Also having GREAT success stateside (and in Buenos Aires and London) with Seeking Arrangement. Seniors IM me if you want details.[/QUOTE]King of the World experience? Vegas or an FKK.

I haven't done a King of the World for ages for two reasons: I don't drink anymore and at my age, spending $20,000 for a night of debauchery isn't a good value. Dollars not baht. Real Kings of the world don't rule in Thailand, they go to the USA or Europe.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2390770]King of the World experience? Vegas or an FKK.

I haven't done a King of the World for ages for two reasons: I don't drink anymore and at my age, spending $20,000 for a night of debauchery isn't a good value. Dollars not baht. Real Kings of the world don't rule in Thailand, they go to the USA or Europe.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Yeah not real king of the world. Just whatever $300-500 buys you! Yes FKK is king of the world. And Moscow — kind like Thai gogo but the bar tenders and waitresses and the equivalent of coyotes are all bar finable. So you feel like a king. Scandallo Brazil is king of the world for $300 for sure.

I know I can go other places (and do) I just want the best I can in Bangkok with the budget I mentioned.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2390684]On soi 4 tonight. Some very attractive, some not so. One really stunning gal down near the area of the old Rajah. Walked up to her expecting to pull the trigger instantly. Was expecting the usual 2 k tariff. She quoted 3 and wouldn't budge off of it. I asked for 2 shots and CIM. Both refused. So I passed, but I'm sure she'll get her price. Best looking gal I've seen on soi 4. Tall, white, slim, very pretty face, no baby, about perfect. Many Viets that just blow the locals out of the water.[/QUOTE]You've been in Bangkok 20 years now and that's the best looking girl you have ever seen on soi 4? She must have been stunning. But you passed on her for 3000 baht? Hell, that's still cheaper than a gogo girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2390700]I know we're not supposed to inflate the pricing for others bla bla bla and I certainly don't throw money around but if I see a girl who is the best looking girl I've seen at a certain place I certainly would NEVER turn her away for 1000 baht more than I was expecting to pay, only to walk to Soi 4 for the next year and see no one else like her.

Glad to see some Viets sneaking in to Thailand for work. Hope they're hotter than the working girls I saw in HCMC.[/QUOTE]If she'd have been down for 2 shots, CIM, and I'd have gotten a positive vibe, the trigger would have been pulled. She was far more interested in her phone than trying to snag a customer. Guess you can be that way when you are that good looking.
If I could find a gal looked like that who provided PSE, i'd gladly pay more than 3k, but that's a unicorn.
Viets were also right in front of Hooters as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2390804]If she'd have been down for 2 shots, CIM, and I'd have gotten a positive vibe, the trigger would have been pulled. She was far more interested in her phone than trying to snag a customer. Guess you can be that way when you are that good looking.
If I could find a gal looked like that who provided PSE, i'd gladly pay more than 3k, but that's a unicorn.
Viets were also right in front of Hooters as well.[/QUOTE]I have also noticed several better looking than usual girls on Soi 4 in the past couple of weeks, both Thai and Vietnamese. For exclusively bareback for FS or at least BBBJ+CIM service customers like me, it is much harder to close a deal with those particular new faces. Or, perhaps I should just say for me, since I have no idea if other such customers are getting upfront agreements for either or both of those services. It has happened for me with a very good looking VN girl who rooms with other VN girls in the area but she doesn't peddle it on the street. I met her online first and then we met outside of her condo rental.

And, yes, in that case I was willing to pay more as long as I was going to get what I felt was worth the money; 7,000 baht for LT from about 9pm until 11am or so the next morning, both of my minimum requirements stated above agreed to upfront.

But a few of the other VN and new better looking Thai girls on that soi have said No to me for either of those options for as much as 2,000 baht for ST. I did not linger to offer any more than that and they did not counter with a higher asking price. A couple of second tier VN and Thai girls on that soi (compared to the best looking ones there now) have agreed upfront to me for less than 2,000 baht though.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2390563]Almost any Thai girl would go with you to Japan or Seoul for free. Singapore is possible too but Singapore hotels are damn expensive. You may have to pay her barfines if it's not her days off.[/QUOTE]True. But hotels in Japan and Korea ain't cheap either.

Also, if you take the girl out on a holiday, you will be compelled to spend on her. Think upscale restaurants, a bit of shopping, some sightseeing etc. And those things ain't going to be cheap. Example. If you take the girl to Singapore, you will have to take her to the rooftop bar and infinity pool at Marina Bay Sands. Up there a beer will cost you $30.

Do you still want to take the girl?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2390684]On soi 4 tonight. Some very attractive, some not so. One really stunning gal down near the area of the old Rajah. Walked up to her expecting to pull the trigger instantly. Was expecting the usual 2 k tariff. She quoted 3 and wouldn't budge off of it. I asked for 2 shots and CIM. Both refused. So I passed, but I'm sure she'll get her price. Best looking gal I've seen on soi 4. Tall, white, slim, very pretty face, no baby, about perfect. Many Viets that just blow the locals out of the water.[/QUOTE]So you refused to take a punt with her for a mere 1000 baht? And of course, potentially saved 3000 baht. Well, what ever floats your boat, but one thing is certain. Those 1000 or 3000 baht ain't going to buy you one extra minute on this planet. And in the end we all regret the stuff in life we did not do.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2390821]I have also noticed several better looking than usual girls on Soi 4 in the past couple of weeks, both Thai and Vietnamese.

But a few of the other VN and new better looking Thai girls on that soi have said No to me for either of those options for as much as 2,000 baht for ST. [/QUOTE]Any theories why the standard might have been improving recently? It is possible. Police harassment could have dropped off, or Girls not liking Thermae for some reason. Perhaps Thermae got too overcrowded, and a moderately good looking girl may get a customer on Soi 4 more easily (even if have to set cheaper price).

Also seems like perhaps prices on Soi 4 are starting to rise a bit (certainly for the superior looking girls).

I think some girls will go for BBFS but might have to go higher than 2 K. I don't think many see it as worthwhile for just a very small bonus. Girls also possibly more willing if CIP not included in my experience. CIM I don't know. Never tried to negotiate for that. Many girls probably have a price, but may decline if they are swamped with ordinary customers.

I used to do Naam with a really good GFE. Her base price was 1300. When I first asked for BBFS in ST room, she said O.K. 4K. Ha ha. At least I knew was possible, and managed to get her down to a more sensible price. The best time to negotiate was while she was into it, just after a DATY cum. Ha ha. Great kisser too makes a difference for me.
Knowing she would always make more money than usual with me, she was always very keen indeed. Just did not want her friends on the Soi to know that she was giving BB sometimes, so on the Soi she refused BBFS. So I think is possible some girls will not negotiate BBFS, while their friends can overhear, but in private can be different. So keep it secret. Ha ha.

I do think any good looking girls on Soi 4 can get a customer quite easily, and maybe even 2 or 3 per night. So a superior girl there could make quite reasonable money with short working hours. Pin (ex Boss Massage) claims to do better on the Soi than at Boss Massage previously. Obviously the ugly girls will still struggle and maybe forced to do BBFS readily. The Ladyboys seem to get some customers too. Never wanted to try a LB ass myself (nor a fake pussy), so I can't really understand what makes a guy want to try a LB.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2390625]Almost most thai girls want to go to Japan, Honk Kong and Korea (in this order, most of the times). I went with one few months back to Japan for a week. She was super cute and hot and I had a great time, so that was worth it.

I am not so sure about Singapore, because I haven't met any girl here who said she want to go to Singapore. Also I don't see why she would visit unless she has already travelled most of SE asia. Plus like others said Singapore is expensive and there's not much to see (if you into nature), it's mostly for shopping.[/QUOTE]Hmm I am taking a 2 day layover in Tokyo on my flight from the US to try out some Michelin star restaurants w / a local escort. I suppose I could fly back to Japan for Kyoto or something Singapore I've already been to a few times so not too interesting. Hong Kong definitely not a good destination due to political instability, and I've been there too many times already, although it's probably super cheap right now. South Korea might be interesting, but I think you guys mentioned more places in Thailand that I might want to check out.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2390853]Any theories why the standard might have been improving recently? It is possible. Police harassment could have dropped off, or Girls not liking Thermae for some reason. Perhaps Thermae got too overcrowded, and a moderately good looking girl may get a customer on Soi 4 more easily (even if have to set cheaper price).

Also seems like perhaps prices on Soi 4 are starting to rise a bit (certainly for the superior looking girls).

I think some girls will go for BBFS but might have to go higher than 2 K. I don't think many see it as worthwhile for just a very small bonus. Girls also possibly more willing if CIP not included in my experience. CIM I don't know. Never tried to negotiate for that. Many girls probably have a price, but may decline if they are swamped with ordinary customers.

I used to do Naam with a really good GFE. Her base price was 1300. When I first asked for BBFS in ST room, she said O.K. 4K. Ha ha. At least I knew was possible, and managed to get her down to a more sensible price. The best time to negotiate was while she was into it, just after a DATY cum. Ha ha. Great kisser too makes a difference for me.
Knowing she would always make more money than usual with me, she was always very keen indeed. Just did not want her friends on the Soi to know that she was giving BB sometimes, so on the Soi she refused BBFS. So I think is possible some girls will not negotiate BBFS, while their friends can overhear, but in private can be different. So keep it secret. Ha ha.

I do think any good looking girls on Soi 4 can get a customer quite easily, and maybe even 2 or 3 per night. So a superior girl there could make quite reasonable money with short working hours. Pin (ex Boss Massage) claims to do better on the Soi than at Boss Massage previously. Obviously the ugly girls will still struggle and maybe forced to do BBFS readily. The Ladyboys seem to get some customers too. Never wanted to try a LB ass myself (nor a fake pussy), so I can't really understand what makes a guy want to try a LB.[/QUOTE]I really don't have a very well substantiated theory for it. First let me say that I walked on Soi 4 from Sukhumvit to the Soi 6 "short cut" intersection tonight around 8:15 PM and did not see one girl in about 20 standing there I would pay any amount of money to have sex with. Ok, maybe there must have been one if I walked up to each and every one of them and conducted a study. So I am just talking about a general overview of the soi. However, there was an evening during the week, might have been Monday or Tuesday, where I was so impressed by the talent I mentioned it in a Line message to a fellow expat who is always rejecting the idea of taking a girl from Soi 4, says they are all bottom of the barrel and so on. I didn't post my impressions on this site then precisely because things can change so dramatically from night to night, perhaps hour to hour. And, frankly, I was busy with other things lately. Then I saw your and Goatscrot's posts and they confirmed what I had seen, too.

Anyway, I guess my first impression was this must be an overflow from Thermae. Or that some Thermae girls who really need a customer this very night are tired of just standing there while a parade of beauty pageant judges circle past them but never or rarely take them. And I suppose it is always possible the better looking than usual Vietnamese girls who were showing up recently made a few better looking than usual Thai girls feel it wasn't such a come down on their status to work that soi after all. I mean, if Soi 4 was known far and wide as the place where only hardcase hookers who are really desperate peddle their wares, it is a come down for higher quality girls to show up. On the other hand, it makes almost as much sense to say some better looking girls saw what was available on Soi 4 and thought, hell, I could be the Prom Queen here. Ten girls get that same idea in a week and, bingo, next thing you know the whole place gets an upgrade for a few nights. Or maybe it is something I haven't thought of at all.

You definitely nailed the issue with an upfront agreement for BBFS with the Naam scenario. I fully realize there are times when I miss out on a BBFS with a girl on the second or third session by nixing the deal if she says No to it on the street the first time around. No doubt about it. But many times I do propose a BBBJ+CIM option and often use that as the first time session and then find I have an easier time getting BBFS with that girl at a later date. I make exceptions to these things when I think doing so will pay off.

Trip report:

Just got back from a session at Thermae / Ruamchit. It was excellent.

First, I went to Soi Cowboy around 7, a bit early but many customers are already drinking outside and waiting for prime time. Walked through the soi and went into Crazy House. There were about 7 patrons and 5 girls on stage. Several of the girls were fully nude which gave me my first boner of the day and got me a bit excited for the night. The mamasan was super friendly / polite and non-pushy. I got a Heineken for 170 be and tipped her 30 be. After 10 minutes, mamasan looked at me and made a finger into hole on the other hand and motion in and out -the universal sign language for bang- I smiled and said no. There were a couple of tall slim girls with perfect bodies and big fake tits. A few of them had tattoos. There was a rotation of girls every 20 minutes or so. I left to go to Thermae after 2 rotations. I would have love to fuck a couple of them but alas I only have 1 bullet and have to save it for the one.

Walked to Thermae, got there 10 min before 8. There were so many guys and girls outside waiting for it to open. It is quite an interesting scene. If people walk by, I would imagine they be puzzling what's going on. Got a drink from Ruamchit lobby and sat down to wait and look for my potential partner for the night. The bar didn't open until 8:10. I saw 1 girl who was probably in the top 5 there, almost asked her before the bar even open but decided to wait to see others. Walked in and got a drink at the bar on the left. Then proceeded to walk from the left and going clockwise. Saw a couple of hotties but when I looped around, saw a stunner on the left who is super smiley. Went to chat with her. I surprised her and she looked a bit shocked because of English, she then responded and said something which I heard 2000. I happily OK, she asked where, I pointed upstairs. Paid the 800 be for room fee and condoms to Ruamchit. I really liked her personality as she had decent English, was bubbly talkative, said she studied at university, she is 23 yo. She was beautiful, I couldn't believe my luck. The early bird gets the worm I suppose.

We got to our room and showered. Ruamchit is a nice hotel, very clean and modern, I was very happy with it. She then asked me to pay first, I gave her 2000 but she then said 3000, I guess I misheard her the first time. I happily obliged. She was very GF like. She was playful and flirty, saying she shy and kept trying to dim the lights, and how big I am. I think she really mean it too because she say it many times. And ask how come I'm so big. She knows how to flatter me LOL. Gave me a good and long bb BJ. It was fucking amazing. It was a beautiful sight. She then put on the condom which is tiny. She couldn't put it on and asked me to help her. Condom fit down like 60% of my shaft so we just continue with it. We did missionary, doggy, cowgirl, deep french kiss. While doggy I put my finger on her beautiful buthole and there was 0 resistance. I almost came but tried not to. I then put her on missionary and came when she told me: "cum into my pussy". My vision got blurry when I came, it was like I was on drugs. Man what an experience. Wish I could have recorded it. We then cleaned up. She said I can leave first. I tipped her 300 be. When leaving I saw a young white guy with a girl coming up. She was super hot as well. I was like wow, I love this place.

Thermae and Ruamchit combo is the thing to do. There were like 5 girls there that were 9 or 10 out of 10. The whole process, the quality of the girls, the nice rooms, all add up to an amazing experience. I'm definitely coming back.

[QUOTE=JohnGalt369;2390922]Hmm I am taking a 2 day layover in Tokyo on my flight from the US to try out some Michelin star restaurants w / a local escort. I suppose I could fly back to Japan for Kyoto or something Singapore I've already been to a few times so not too interesting. Hong Kong definitely not a good destination due to political instability, and I've been there too many times already, although it's probably super cheap right now. South Korea might be interesting, but I think you guys mentioned more places in Thailand that I might want to check out.

Thanks![/QUOTE]How do these girls leave Thailand for Japan, Korea, etc. Can they get passports easily and quickly? Japan is a long, six hour flight from BKK. I would want to go someplace closer.

I lurked here for a while, just reading and taking down information for my trip to Thailand. I go to Soi Cowboy on Sunday night. It is almost 2 am and I get quoted a 2 k barfine. What? I just paid 700 last night in Nana. I turned down a 1000 baht barfine in Pattaya at closing time.

I am really trying to figure out how a bar thinks they should get 2 k for a girl missing 1. 5 hours of work. No gogo girl makes the bar that much.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2390848]True. But hotels in Japan and Korea ain't cheap either.

Also, if you take the girl out on a holiday, you will be compelled to spend on her. Think upscale restaurants, a bit of shopping, some sightseeing etc. And those things ain't going to be cheap. Example. If you take the girl to Singapore, you will have to take her to the rooftop bar and infinity pool at Marina Bay Sands. Up there a beer will cost you $30.

Do you still want to take the girl?[/QUOTE]My 2 day layover in Tokyo is going to cost $5 K USD for the escort + $ 2 K for lodging + food, so I'd love it if my only outlay was just lodging+food / drinks / activities.

I'm recently divorced, have more money than time since I have a good job but only 4 weeks of vacation a year, so I need to make it count. I was originally going to try to find a "GF" to bring back to the US for like 6 months (I'm not really in the right mental state to "date"/ get re-married right now), but reading a lot of different sources it seems it'd be almost impossible for a bar girl to get a USA Tourist visa.

Thanks for all the great advice.

[QUOTE=Allover;2391054]How do these girls leave Thailand for Japan, Korea, etc. Can they get passports easily and quickly? Japan is a long, six hour flight from BKK. I would want to go someplace closer.[/QUOTE]I can only speak for the Pattaya gogo girls but I am pretty certain anyone worth a damn has a passport ready to go. All waiting for their Japanese or Korean sucker to pay them 10-20 k per day plus travel expenses and shopping.

Many Soi 6 and massage girls have passports as they have traveled to other countries to work.

[QUOTE=Allover;2391054]How do these girls leave Thailand for Japan, Korea, etc. Can they get passports easily and quickly? Japan is a long, six hour flight from BKK. I would want to go someplace closer.[/QUOTE]Not easy for Thai women to get into Japan and Korea. In Korea many Thais get busted working illegally in massage parlors and are deported so the Koreans are on full alert when a young Thai girl shows up at the airport.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2391122]I can only speak for the Pattaya gogo girls but I am pretty certain anyone worth a damn has a passport ready to go. All waiting for their Japanese or Korean sucker to pay them 10-20 k per day plus travel expenses and shopping.

Many Soi 6 and massage girls have passports as they have traveled to other countries to work.[/QUOTE]So some questions here if anyone has actually flown a Thai girl to another country. I've twice flown girls from South America to the UK. I don't travel WITH them but meet them. They get questioned pretty good at the border traveling alone. I would gather it's the same for any country? Are some countries more lax on this? Could a Thai girl easily go to Korea on her own?

What IS reasonable for a daily rate for a Thai girl to travel with you? Anyone have any experience? I would love to find a Thai hottie to fly to me when I travel but not sure how practical it is.

[QUOTE=BobVila;2391024]Trip report:

Just got back from a session at Thermae / Ruamchit. It was excellent.

First, I went to Soi Cowboy around 7, a bit early but many customers are already drinking outside and waiting for prime time. Walked through the soi and went into Crazy House. There were about 7 patrons and 5 girls on stage. Several of the girls were fully nude which gave me my first boner of the day and got me a bit excited for the night. The mamasan was super friendly / polite and non-pushy. I got a Heineken for 170 be and tipped her 30 be. After 10 minutes, mamasan looked at me and made a finger into hole on the other hand and motion in and out -the universal sign language for bang- I smiled and said no. There were a couple of tall slim girls with perfect bodies and big fake tits. A few of them had tattoos. There was a rotation of girls every 20 minutes or so. I left to go to Thermae after 2 rotations. I would have love to fuck a couple of them but alas I only have 1 bullet and have to save it for the one.

Walked to Thermae, got there 10 min before 8. There were so many guys and girls outside waiting for it to open. It is quite an interesting scene. If people walk by, I would imagine they be puzzling what's going on. Got a drink from Ruamchit lobby and sat down to wait and look for my potential partner for the night. The bar didn't open until 8:10. I saw 1 girl who was probably in the top 5 there, almost asked her before the bar even open but decided to wait to see others. Walked in and got a drink at the bar on the left. Then proceeded to walk from the left and going clockwise. Saw a couple of hotties but when I looped around, saw a stunner on the left who is super smiley. Went to chat with her. I surprised her and she looked a bit shocked because of English, she then responded and said something which I heard 2000. I happily OK, she asked where, I pointed upstairs. Paid the 800 be for room fee and condoms to Ruamchit. I really liked her personality as she had decent English, was bubbly talkative, said she studied at university, she is 23 yo. She was beautiful, I couldn't believe my luck. The early bird gets the worm I suppose.

We got to our room and showered. Ruamchit is a nice hotel, very clean and modern, I was very happy with it. She then asked me to pay first, I gave her 2000 but she then said 3000, I guess I misheard her the first time. I happily obliged. She was very GF like. She was playful and flirty, saying she shy and kept trying to dim the lights, and how big I am. I think she really mean it too because she say it many times. And ask how come I'm so big. She knows how to flatter me LOL. Gave me a good and long bb BJ. It was fucking amazing. It was a beautiful sight. She then put on the condom which is tiny. She couldn't put it on and asked me to help her. Condom fit down like 60% of my shaft so we just continue with it. We did missionary, doggy, cowgirl, deep french kiss. While doggy I put my finger on her beautiful buthole and there was 0 resistance. I almost came but tried not to. I then put her on missionary and came when she told me: "cum into my pussy". My vision got blurry when I came, it was like I was on drugs. Man what an experience. Wish I could have recorded it. We then cleaned up. She said I can leave first. I tipped her 300 be. When leaving I saw a young white guy with a girl coming up. She was super hot as well. I was like wow, I love this place.

Thermae and Ruamchit combo is the thing to do. There were like 5 girls there that were 9 or 10 out of 10. The whole process, the quality of the girls, the nice rooms, all add up to an amazing experience. I'm definitely coming back.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. In my observation, some similar experience and granting that I have not been in the room with other punters and their girls to give eye witness testimony, I would say your very good result with a Thermae girl is easily possible and probable for the vast majority of well behaved and clean punters of virtually any age, level of fitness and almost any ethnic origin any night of the week.

As your report shows, if one is willing to pay the girl's asking price or very close to it and can achieve a vision blurring orgasm within a reasonable amount of time while wearing a condom, I honestly don't see why Thermae isn't on every presentable Bangkok punter's list of regular stops.

Sure, we will have different opinions about what qualifies as a Stunner and whether we could have saved 500 baht here or there if we'd negotiated a tad longer or better in some way. But I just don't see anyone facing much of a challenge and having all that much of a problem getting a good session and deal with a much better than average looking girl in the P4P game at Thermae as long as those two previously mentioned conditions regarding the girl's going rate and condoms are in sync with a punter's financial abilities and sexual pleasure requirements. Good for you!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2391130]Could a Thai girl easily go to Korea on her own?
[/QUOTE]I know a massage chick in Pattaya who got her first passport ever and then took a flight to Korea with the intention of working there. She was refused entry and had to return to Thailand.

I mean it is pretty obvious she was not going there as a tourist. Why would a single thai chick choose to go to a cold expensive developed country when she could go to Bali or Malaysia? Answer= she was a sex worker, not a tourist, as the authorities correctly deciphered.

[QUOTE=Franga;2391242]I know a massage chick in Pattaya who got her first passport ever and then took a flight to Korea with the intention of working there. She was refused entry and had to return to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I know a chick in BKK who goes to HK and Japan quite regularly to work in massgae palours. Japan doesn't seem to be too worried about letting girls in. Not sure about Korea, I never saw Thai P4 P girls in the times I was there but I don't know the scene the locals are into, so they could be there.

[QUOTE=Chiguy3385;2391085]I lurked here for a while, just reading and taking down information for my trip to Thailand. I go to Soi Cowboy on Sunday night. It is almost 2 am and I get quoted a 2 k barfine. What? I just paid 700 last night in Nana. I turned down a 1000 baht barfine in Pattaya at closing time.

I am really trying to figure out how a bar thinks they should get 2 k for a girl missing 1. 5 hours of work. No gogo girl makes the bar that much.[/QUOTE]1 - could it be possible that this was one of the Cowboy bars owned Iranian gentleman known as "the Arab"?

2 Coyote (also known as agency girls).

3 What is known as a Foxtrot Oscar quotation. Don't want to do the deed but will lose points with the manager / mammasan if she flat refuses.

4 Trying to milk you thinking that you might be green enough to bite (excuse the mixed agricultural / angling metaphor).

[QUOTE=Chiguy3385;2391085]I lurked here for a while, just reading and taking down information for my trip to Thailand. I go to Soi Cowboy on Sunday night. It is almost 2 am and I get quoted a 2 k barfine. What? I just paid 700 last night in Nana. I turned down a 1000 baht barfine in Pattaya at closing time.

I am really trying to figure out how a bar thinks they should get 2 k for a girl missing 1. 5 hours of work. No gogo girl makes the bar that much.[/QUOTE]What is the name of the establishment so we could avoid?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2391216]Thanks for the report. In my observation, some similar experience and granting that I have not been in the room with other punters and their girls to give eye witness testimony, I would say your very good result with a Thermae girl is easily possible and probable for the vast majority of well behaved and clean punters of virtually any age, level of fitness and almost any ethnic origin any night of the week.

As your report shows, if one is willing to pay the girl's asking price or very close to it and can achieve a vision blurring orgasm within a reasonable amount of time while wearing a condom, I honestly don't see why Thermae isn't on every presentable Bangkok punter's list of regular stops.

Sure, we will have different opinions about what qualifies as a Stunner and whether we could have saved 500 baht here or there if we'd negotiated a tad longer or better in some way. But I just don't see anyone facing much of a challenge and having all that much of a problem getting a good session and deal with a much better than average looking girl in the P4P game at Thermae as long as those two previously mentioned conditions regarding the girl's going rate and condoms are in sync with a punter's financial abilities and sexual pleasure requirements. Good for you![/QUOTE]Post of the Year. When mongering is 3rd or 4th on the list of things to do and you are here for extended times, Thermae is a godsend.

[QUOTE=Franga;2391242]I know a massage chick in Pattaya who got her first passport ever and then took a flight to Korea with the intention of working there. She was refused entry and had to return to Thailand.

I mean it is pretty obvious she was not going there as a tourist. Why would a single thai chick choose to go to a cold expensive developed country when she could go to Bali or Malaysia? Answer= she was a sex worker, not a tourist, as the authorities correctly deciphered.[/QUOTE]Single girls even in pars will invariably be questioned at immigration in countries where visas are not required for Thais.

They will be questioned at Seoul airport and if they don't have return flights, confirmed accommodation and evidence of financial means they will be sent back. If they are smart and cover these bases they are usually allowed in.

I've heard girls going to Japan in particular often travel with faux boyfriends.

It seems less problematic getting into Malaysia or Singapore but more of a bummer if they get caught overstaying.

In general I would say smarter girls who know how the system works getting work permits, sponsorship, fiancee visas, education visas. Et al can work abroad for extended periods and make a lot of money.

Also being able to speak a foreign language particularly English helps a lot.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2391130]So some questions here if anyone has actually flown a Thai girl to another country. I've twice flown girls from South America to the UK. I don't travel WITH them but meet them. They get questioned pretty good at the border traveling alone. I would gather it's the same for any country? Are some countries more lax on this? Could a Thai girl easily go to Korea on her own?

What IS reasonable for a daily rate for a Thai girl to travel with you? Anyone have any experience? I would love to find a Thai hottie to fly to me when I travel but not sure how practical it is.[/QUOTE]I had my Thai girlfriend meeting me in Japan and Singapore. In Tokyo, the process was a okayish as she took more or less 30 minutes to pass the border control. They asked her questions about where she would stay, with whom, how much she had on her but it all went smoothly according to her. Especially knowing her English is not the best. She stayed 1 week.

In Singapore it was more laborious, she flew with a male friend for our holidays and everything was going ok until they saw that the 2 of them were not staying in the same hotel (my friend was staying at a cheaper one) and then a multitude of questions were asked to explain her presence in the country. It took almost an hour. The border control woman was not very understanding but she did pass. We stayed 4 days.

Even if Thai people don't need a visa for short term holidays in Japan and Singapore, the control might be problematic. A few tips are: having all documents on yourself (hotel reservations, flight returns), some cash with you and the best tip is to look as rich as possible. I have many friends in Bangkok who have absolutely no problem passing the control border in Japan when they have the reservations for their sky bookings and brand fashion clothes.

[QUOTE=JohnGalt369;2391103]My 2 day layover in Tokyo is going to cost $5 K USD for the escort + $ 2 K for lodging + food, so I'd love it if my only outlay was just lodging+food / drinks / activities.

I'm recently divorced, have more money than time since I have a good job but only 4 weeks of vacation a year, so I need to make it count. I was originally going to try to find a "GF" to bring back to the US for like 6 months (I'm not really in the right mental state to "date"/ get re-married right now), but reading a lot of different sources it seems it'd be almost impossible for a bar girl to get a USA Tourist visa.

Thanks for all the great advice.[/QUOTE]If that is the case, you should get on to Seeking Arrangement and openly announce what the bounty is for willing girls that meet all your requirements. You will be flooded with offers. I am not joking. Anyone spending $7 K in 2 days will be a God-sent for these girls.

Hi Chaps,

So this one is for laughing:

I never really do FL or the social media stuff but this time started talking to a Badoo girl and things are going well. Met her at Terminal21 for coffee and lunch. Super slim, turns out she runs 5 k, 10 k etc. And loves to win the price money! Face is OK, short hair and somewhat annoying voice. So over lunch she gives me a lot of yadi yadi yada, her business burned down, etc. Etc. After a while I ask her what she likes in bed: listening to music. Not even playing the flute!

And so I remembered why I do not do the social media stuff that just takes too darn long to get to the bottom line.

Damage: B250 for her coffee and lunch at food court.

Experience: Hilarious.

Next Up: Doki Doki Massage (Doki Doki means Surprise!

Went there around 4 pm, place was busy, one guy waiting, and after me a Japanese gentleman entered. Line Up was 7 girls and I chose Happy (Baem). Well, Happy was happy to service me and I thoroughly enjoyed the soapy / nuru experience. Room is big, I had 777 and the best news is that it does not smell mouldy or such, despite of the "steaming" up that happens in there. Happy's English was surprisingly fluent and we had a proper conversation. She was cautions at the beginning but then opened up and talked about her life as a massage specialist in various countries.

The service she provided was first rate as well and she took her time: First set was all with soaps, cleaning every crack of my body with her small, tubular boobs with big nipples, pussy and hands. Next up was the Nuru Gel and again she did me front and back. When she saw that I like my ass crack and anus played with she took super long to arouse me there. Nuru gel does not have any taste, and so she started cat licking me everywhere, and I mean everywhere. She proceeded to blow me with some Nuru in her mouth: Absolutely great experience and after a while, amid lots of giggling thanks to the very slippery nature of the blow up mattress we managed to mount the rubber and she rode away like a cowgirls.

Round two was on the bed, with her continuing being very charming and funny: Fuck me Daddy, she screamed. And I obliged. Taking a while to come. When done, asked her if she was OK: "Pussy hot" was her reply. Followed by long laughter and me blowing air onto her pussy.

So all in all, very pro and nonetheless superbly likable girl, best communication I had with any Thai girl so far. Downside: No DATY, but fingering OK, does not like her asshole penetrated (neither with finger nor with.) but playing with it is OK.

RTF for sure, if there were not so many alternatives here.

Keep it clean boys!

[QUOTE=AocOrchid;2391776]Hi Chaps,

So this one is for laughing:

I never really do FL or the social media stuff but this time started talking to a Badoo girl and things are going well. Met her at Terminal21 for coffee and lunch. Super slim, turns out she runs 5 k, 10 k etc. And loves to win the price money! Face is OK, short hair and somewhat annoying voice. So over lunch she gives me a lot of yadi yadi yada, her business burned down, etc. Etc. After a while I ask her what she likes in bed: listening to music. Not even playing the flute!

And so I remembered why I do not do the social media stuff that just takes too darn long to get to the bottom line.

Damage: B250 for her coffee and lunch at food court.

Experience: Hilarious.

..............[/QUOTE]Ok, so I don't know how experienced you are but I suspect that you may have been a little hasty. Thailand is actually the only country in which I have been successful in bedding a girl met on social media. I am not one who loves the thrill of the chase and am quite impatient in seeking coital release, hence my penchant for our hobby. From my experience I found that the girls I met on social media in LOS basically have the same goal as I have. Initially, they will be a little coy and not as forthright as perhaps western women but you will have them in the sack way quicker than you will a girl back home. My only caveat though and I don't know what other blokes' experiences are in this regard is that I have never gotten a blow job be it CBJ or BBBJ from a non-pro met on social media in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Chiguy3385;2391085]I am really trying to figure out how a bar thinks they should get 2 k for a girl missing 1. 5 hours of work. No gogo girl makes the bar that much.[/QUOTE]I was quoted 2000 baht barfine and 3000ST in Tilac in April this year. She was a coyote. Maybe tomorrow. I replied. But she was gorgeous.

[QUOTE=BestTimeEver;2390714]For the distance I'm more concerned for the way back, I've read somewhere that there are hardly any taxis waiting around closing time at 5 am.[/QUOTE]No problem at all. Just ask the guy at the door you want a taxi. It took 5 minutes to arrive. No detour. Straight to my preferred destination: Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2391925]No problem at all. Just ask the guy at the door you want a taxi. It took 5 minutes to arrive. No detour. Straight to my preferred destination: Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Hey Dio. Interested to see your comment. Seems the past two years all posters have been trashing Cowboy as not the place to go. When I went 2 years ago, I enjoyed it but have never been to Nana or PatPong.

Can you elaborate on your reasons it's your preferred destination? Thanks.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2391337]1 - could it be possible that this was one of the Cowboy bars owned Iranian gentleman known as "the Arab"?

2 Coyote (also known as agency girls).

3 What is known as a Foxtrot Oscar quotation. Don't want to do the deed but will lose points with the manager / mammasan if she flat refuses.

4 Trying to milk you thinking that you might be green enough to bite (excuse the mixed agricultural / angling metaphor).[/QUOTE]Maybe the girl, well it was two girls together, didn't want to go with me, but it wasn't the girl who quoted me the 2 k price. It was at Tilac, the mamasan (I guess, I am not really experienced in these things) quoted me 2 k for each plus whatever the girl wanted to charge me. So maybe the girls told me mammasan to get me to FO, although the third girl who spoke some English did say the other two wanted to go with me, but they just didn't know good English. Also, it seems if they wanted to milk a newbie, they would have came down on the price when I turned it down initially, they did not. So I left. It was a shame because they weren't the best looking girls, but they seemed like fun.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2391920]I was quoted 2000 baht barfine and 3000ST in Tilac in April this year. She was a coyote. Maybe tomorrow. I replied. But she was gorgeous.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was at Tilac. Another guy ended up taking a girl I was buying drinks for, apparently I didn't mention barfine fast enough, that was my fault, I am new and I didn't know. But I have no problem paying the girl 3 k if I like her, but I am not paying the bar 2 k. At Nana, Billboard, ST barfine was 700. Also I was quoted 3 k for an hour ST, is that a thing now? ST only being 1 hour? Even that seems to vary wildly. Freelancers I was with would stay for hours for ST prices. One girl I had to make sure and asked her how much I owed her because she stayed all night, I was sure I owed the LT price, but no.

[QUOTE=AocOrchid;2391776]Hi Chaps,

So this one is for laughing:

I never really do FL or the social media stuff but this time started talking to a Badoo girl and things are going well. Met her at Terminal21 for coffee and lunch. Super slim, turns out she runs 5 k, 10 k etc. And loves to win the price money! Face is OK, short hair and somewhat annoying voice. So over lunch she gives me a lot of yadi yadi yada, her business burned down, etc. Etc. After a while I ask her what she likes in bed: listening to music. Not even playing the flute!

And so I remembered why I do not do the social media stuff that just takes too darn long to get to the bottom line.

Damage: B250 for her coffee and lunch at food court.

Experience: Hilarious.[/QUOTE]Wait, was she even a FL? Or maybe it was Badoo because ThaiFriendly and Tinder they will come out any say the price almost immediately. No long conversations, they don't seem to like that if you aren't a paying customer. In my short experience. I have had the same experiences with Tinder in Costa Rica also.

[QUOTE=Chiguy3385;2391085]I am really trying to figure out how a bar thinks they should get 2 k for a girl missing 1. 5 hours of work. No gogo girl makes the bar that much.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for Bangkok gogo bars since I don't really see the big spenders in Bangkok like I do in Pattaya but sit around Sensations, Sapphire, Palace, etc. And you will see top gogo girls make that much from sucker tourists by just ordering shots.

[QUOTE=Chiguy3385;2391085] I turned down a 1000 baht barfine in Pattaya at closing time.[/QUOTE]If it's closing time why not eliminate the barfine and make a deal with the girl to go out after the bar closes?

[QUOTE=AocOrchid;2391776]Next Up: Doki Doki Massage (Doki Doki means Surprise!

Went there around 4 pm, place was busy, one guy waiting, and after me a Japanese gentleman entered. Line Up was 7 girls and I chose Happy (Baem). Well, Happy was happy to service me and I thoroughly enjoyed the soapy / nuru experience. Room is big, I had 777 and the best news is that it does not smell mouldy or such, despite of the "steaming" up that happens in there. Happy's English was surprisingly fluent and we had a proper conversation. She was cautions at the beginning but then opened up and talked about her life as a massage specialist in various countries.

The service she provided was first rate as well and she took her time: First set was all with soaps, cleaning every crack of my body with her small, tubular boobs with big nipples, pussy and hands. Next up was the Nuru Gel and again she did me front and back. When she saw that I like my ass crack and anus played with she took super long to arouse me there. Nuru gel does not have any taste, and so she started cat licking me everywhere, and I mean everywhere. She proceeded to blow me with some Nuru in her mouth: Absolutely great experience and after a while, amid lots of giggling thanks to the very slippery nature of the blow up mattress we managed to mount the rubber and she rode away like a cowgirls.[/QUOTE]Hey,

Could I just check with you how much you paid for the 60 or 90 minute session? One of my buddies went there and said they asked for 4700 for an hour. I don't know if that's because he looked like a newbie and they thought they could take advantage of him or some other reason.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2391957]Can you elaborate on your reasons Soi Cowboy is your preferred destination? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I don't think people here have been thrashing Cowboy all that much but let's leave that to the side. First, I live in Holland, not too far from Amsterdam and that is close enough to Germany to go there at least once a month. If you compare the service of German FKK with Amsterdam than German FKK is really better but not always all girls. But the average surely is. If I compare the service and skills of Thai ladies to German FKK than that is just mind-blowing. It's not a difference between a Mercedes and a Volkswagon. No, nothing like it. Thai sex for me is no sex. Totally not interested. If I had to have sex in Thailand only, then I would quit the scene altogether. So a lot of words but why is it an answer to your question? The reason I go to Thailand is for holiday: sights, nature, beach, sea etc. On the side I like to have some fun. I don't mind good sex anymore as it is simply not there. So, I go for good looking girls, (Baccara) nude girls, looking rather good. (CH), playing 'catch-me' with girls (Sharks) or talking to girls (Crazy Cat, Tilac). And I have been to other gogo's and sometimes they have perfectly beautiful girls and a few months later they are all gone. I kind of like that surprise, knowing that I just have to look for a next surprise that is positive and most of times I can find something worthwhile. Gogo bars there don't mind me too much for not barfining as I spent a lot on drinks. On top of that I like things to be clean and straightforward. Soi Cowboy is a straight road. No corners, no hidden places. I have been a few times to Patpong but didn't find any beauties there. For the time of one drink I was thinking about Cowboy. Then next day I tried again and same thing happened. It has no vibe, almost provincial atmosphere. Walking Si Lom is just more fun, I think. Thaniya is a kind of wax museum. Then Nana. I like Billboard but the mamasans are pushy to barfine a girl. And I do not like Nana for one thing. I have been there about five to ten times and at least two times I was asked whether I wanted a minor. A third time it was the same guy I think and he shut up before he could end his sentence.

So, if more experienced writers disagree totally with me on this one, that is perfectly understandable. I am not there for sex. I like some tension. I like beauty. I like the surroundings to be clear cut. By the way, the only good sex I had was in The Lord and that is closed for more than a year now. So, I have given up on that. One more for soapy's: I don't like my dig being rubbed like a carrot. I tried a few massage places but that was nothing special. A few days more and I go home and have good sex. In Bangkok I am just a tourist.

[QUOTE=Chiguy3385;2391993]Yes, I was at Tilac. Another guy ended up taking a girl I was buying drinks for, apparently I didn't mention barfine fast enough, that was my fault, I am new and I didn't know. But I have no problem paying the girl 3 k if I like her, but I am not paying the bar 2 k. At Nana, Billboard, ST barfine was 700. Also I was quoted 3 k for an hour ST, is that a thing now? ST only being 1 hour? Even that seems to vary wildly. Freelancers I was with would stay for hours for ST prices. One girl I had to make sure and asked her how much I owed her because she stayed all night, I was sure I owed the LT price, but no.[/QUOTE]A couple of opinions on this:

I don't normally take Coyotes due to the ridiculous barfine amounts. Yes indeed the bar getting 2 K for girl to be absent 1 hour or so is a rip off. She is not likely to sell more than 3 drinks max in the time. However the bar does feel that absence of the best Coyotes detracts from the bar customer pulling power. Having said that, I don't particularly like Tilac bar, and believe a lot of their customers are regulars. The old LB mamasan Dtaay is well known to me. She used to be at Suzie Wong. Taking these Coyotes at end of night might be a good idea if they are still available. It obviously would not be an Arab bar, where girls maybe still barfineable, but officially not available for sex at all.

I dislike the agency girls concept with agencies making a lot of easy money for doing very little. However if the girl was superior enough I might pay more than 700 BF. 2 k seems to bee going too far for a short ST though. 3 k is a common asking price these days. The bar may have rules that the girl only gets 1 hour away, part of the rip off. If the girl herself wants only 1 hour, I would certainly not accept normally. I hate rush.

Fast enough? If you are new you are at a disadvantage. Some guy that has probably taken the girl before, could walk into the bar and BF her immediately if you did not already do so. Has happened to all of us at some time, and more than once, even if have just bought a drink for the girl. When I had a pretty girl (stunning) regular at Crazy House, I was well aware of the danger. So I would be sitting near the door from say 9 PM, and would grab the girl as soon as she entered the door in plain clothes, then assuming she was willing (always was), would hand her the BF money immediately. Others will say this behaviour is silly, we don't want to fight over girls, but in truth, "there is the quick and there is the dead". Draw and fire before its too late. This really applies to highly in demand type girls. Its much easier when you know the girl, since you know how she performs and she knows about you too, so the deal can be done with just a signal from a distance if necessary. For really average girls that get few BFs, then take it very casually. I never liked to decide too quickly on a girl I have never done before, but the risk is her getting BFed by someone else. Happens. So the more stunning the girl, the faster you need to decide, unless the BF is very high.

Imagine now if a bar has 6 special coyotes and they are stunning relative to all the normal gogo girls. If the BF was 700, they could all be BFed by 8. 30 PM and then no stunning girls would remain to pull the customers into the bar. Setting a silly 1 hour limit would help to get the girls back quickly, but a higher BF amount is also needed. 1 K or 1. 5 K but 2 K seems ridiculous. Of course many bars with Coyotes have only 1 or 2 stunners, and most of the Coyotes look quite ordinary to me. Just the girl sees herself as a Coyote even if she does not have the body or face, or ability to dance Coyote style very well at all. Hence I say many are fake Coyotes. Weak dancers.

Coyotes need too meet a drinks sale quota to justify their presence in the bar, salary and agency fees. Therefore they may be requesting drinks too frequently.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2391957]Hey Dio. Interested to see your comment. Seems the past two years all posters have been trashing Cowboy as not the place to go. When I went 2 years ago, I enjoyed it but have never been to Nana or PatPong.

Can you elaborate on your reasons it's your preferred destination? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Cowboy has indeed declined a lot over even just 5 years ago. Harder to find high standard girls I think, that are not Coyotes. There are bars to avoid, the Arab bars as was said before. I think I forgot to mention Spice Girls as one of them last time. The LB bars (two of them). There maybe a small number of bars still acceptable depending on your taste, and what you are looking for. Get there 8. 30 Pm to 9 PM to see the better girls still there. My last cowboy visit at midnight found largely dregs remaining at the bars I went in.

Some bars have some really nice girls but not available for sex. I hate that. Ha ha. I don't really like girls having any clothes on either. So nudity is still a Cowboy advantage.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2392221]Hey,

Could I just check with you how much you paid for the 60 or 90 minute session? One of my buddies went there and said they asked for 4700 for an hour. I don't know if that's because he looked like a newbie and they thought they could take advantage of him or some other reason.[/QUOTE]Line up of girls is on their Twitter Feed.

Prices are communicated over WeChat or Line.

I was quoted 3 k for 60 min and 3.5 k for 90 min.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2391868]Ok, so I don't know how experienced you are but I suspect that you may have been a little hasty. Thailand is actually the only country in which I have been successful in bedding a girl met on social media. I am not one who loves the thrill of the chase and am quite impatient in seeking coital release, hence my penchant for our hobby. From my experience I found that the girls I met on social media in LOS basically have the same goal as I have. Initially, they will be a little coy and not as forthright as perhaps western women but you will have them in the sack way quicker than you will a girl back home. My only caveat though and I don't know what other blokes' experiences are in this regard is that I have never gotten a blow job be it CBJ or BBBJ from a non-pro met on social media in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Hi Turgid,

Totally agree with you. I am not necessarily hasty, but rather short in time. Also, did not setup ThaiFriendly or Badoo at home first to scout for girls.

Next up was a date with a "chubby" girl, again in Terminal21 at 2 pm. She was late, continuously chatted with me over Line, kept telling me how happy she would make me when she makes it there etc. Etc. . She was so late, that I had to take a Telco and had no time for her. However, curiosity got the better part of me, delayed Telco for 15 min, went to the KFC and my gosh, she wasn't chubby, but rather huge. Glad she was late and I could make a simple excuse and leaver her there. Terrible, when the girls show pictures from years ago!

My next date was scheduled for 7 pm with a thirty something insurance company chick. Not a stunner but a lovely girl and she apologised for being forward and that I hopefully did not think that she was a bad girl. After a quick drink at Black Swans with some general insurance speak (she literally forced me to take her to my hotel room, dimmed lights and started kissing me. We looked at the city lights through the window, while I rubbed up from behind, touching her shapely ass and cupping her be sized breast. She was insecure in terms of her "average" body but horny as hell. Asked me to go slow, but accelerated the pace non-stop. She was happy to learn that I had coconut oil in my room and willingly accepted a massage. So off came her clothes, obvious and normal marks of a mother was visible. I oiled her up, face down, rubbed oil in with my body and dick (previous body to body experience from Snow White, Tulips, and Mango came in handy, turned her around. She moaned that she wanted her nipple sucked and I found her right nipple way more sensitive so focused on it. Kept pouring oil on her and rubbed it in nicely, leaving her pussy for last until she pushed my hand there. Boy was she wet, and tight. I rubbed her outer lips only and she orgasmed a first time. This was going to be easy, as I hadn't even fingered her yet. And so it continued. Made her cum four times, each time she screamed louder, her orgasms were short but strong, her pussy wetter than ever. "Why you not fuck meee?" was her response and in real toi boi manner, I proceeded to please her. Sex was pretty darn forward, none of the wonderful experiences from the parlours, no dick sucking, cat lick etc. Damage a mere taxi fare, RTF most likely in a distant future, as I felt a tad bit used by her! She is texting me already again!

At Turgin: your point is well proven and mine as well: Dating Apps work reasonably well, if you have the hours to waste looking for girls for your evening pleasure and sift through the lady boys and FL. Western men are considerably more attractive to regular Asian women. Asian women use them for their pleasure, outside their cultural norms. In this case, the path from coffee to bed is considerably shortened (it takes me three dinners, over a 2 week period to even start talking to a woman about sex in Europe). Women globally rate men by their education (=wealth / income potential) and height and thus Westerners have an upper hand over local men.

Off to the pool for some more sleep, then check-out. Stroll to Snow White for a last two hours, multiple shot PSE and off to Europe again.

P.S: Did I mention that I just came to buy suits and shirts? No other intentions!

I hit random Gogos in Nana & SC every night last weekend and also last night (Wednesday).

The SC bars. Baccara is a shadow of what it was two years ago, and somehow more expensive. I didn't bother hitting the second floor because the first floor was so "meh. " But they typically (in the past) put the best gals on the first floor because of all the asian customers crowded down there. Crazy House was also "meh. " Maybe my standards were too high? I wasn't drinking. Anyways, no one I was willing to grab, and the damned waitresses were relentless with the "one more one more one more" despite not being empty. Tried Lighthouse, and I can only say I wish the gals they use to advertise on twitter were present. They very well might be there at some point, but they weren't when I visited.

Nana. Nana was a better quality wise and price wise, but not exactly by a mile. Billboard & Butterflies still annoy me with the two lady drink minimum thing, but there really weren't any gals I was interested in buying those two drinks for, so it was fine. LOL The jacuzzi girls were typically more energetic, and generally cuter as they have always been since I've been visiting. Still, none of them quite did it for me; I have to echo my previous complaint about Lighthouse. I wish the twitter girls had been present (I know they work there I've seen them before). Don't go to Billboard after 830 if you want a decent seat, it still gets crazy busy for whatever reason. Mandarin (the one up the stairs, not the table dancing bar) had some cuties, but no customers, so it was. Super awkward. I was getting stared down. I had to leave (this happened two nights). I also visited Angelwitch and Spankys (Spankies?) but honestly I just go there to drink and watch them, I've never taken a girl from either. The only place I took any girls from was Twisters. It didn't seem to get too packed any particular night and the lineup has 4-5 girls that I'd take. Ended up going with a waitress though, never did that before, didn't even realize it was an option. Apparently it was just as surprising for the rest of the staff, as she had supposedly turned down every single other farang since she started working. I'm tall, pale as a ghost, and "average" looking for a guy in his 30's, and beyond the fact that I'm generally considered a charming person, I'm not sure how that happened. A rare bit of luck, LOL.

Anyways, unless go go bars are absolutely your thing, I really recommend hitting up like Thermae, massage places, or even just walking down Soi 4 at night, instead. The gogos are really leaving something to be desired at the moment. Maybe they'll get better in a few weeks (or a month or so) when tourist season picks up. Some of the dancers (and waitresses) were saying that a few of their friends were still on holiday.

[QUOTE=TrueBlue666;2392431]Anyways, unless go go bars are absolutely your thing, I really recommend hitting up like Thermae, massage places, or even just walking down Soi 4 at night, instead. The gogos are really leaving something to be desired at the moment. Maybe they'll get better in a few weeks (or a month or so) when tourist season picks up. Some of the dancers (and waitresses) were saying that a few of their friends were still on holiday.[/QUOTE]I agree the decline is marked. After 9. 30 Pm might be too late to arrive to any bar, with any decent girls snapped up early. I agree Crazy House has gone down hill so much I don't bother any more. Baccarat have not been in for a long time, so no idea. I don't see that surgeries is really making girls look better than they would be naturally. Never took a girl from Lighthouse.

In Billboard the bath dancers tend to have better lighting and of course seeing the tits helps, but I question if they are really cuter for the face. Perhaps so, because plain Janes are hidden somewhat on stage by very poor lighting. I did not know that 2 lady drinks was becoming a requirement.

Natty has previously suggested some Pat Pong bars that might be worth a try.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2392221]Hey,

Could I just check with you how much you paid for the 60 or 90 minute session? One of my buddies went there and said they asked for 4700 for an hour. I don't know if that's because he looked like a newbie and they thought they could take advantage of him or some other reason.[/QUOTE]4700 sounds unlikely unless he ordered something special. I would be very surprised if any rip offs are attempted. Communication problem is more likely.

[QUOTE=TrueBlue666;2392431]Anyways, unless go go bars are absolutely your thing, I really recommend hitting up like Thermae, massage places, or even just walking down Soi 4 at night, instead. The gogos are really leaving something to be desired at the moment. Maybe they'll get better in a few weeks (or a month or so) when tourist season picks up. Some of the dancers (and waitresses) were saying that a few of their friends were still on holiday.[/QUOTE]I am definitely a newbie, but I like the go gos just because you can talk to a girl a moment and see how interested she is in you and how charismatic she is in general. I walked down Soi 4 and didn't see anything very interesting. I saw 2 women I thought about taking, but they were just standing there looking completely uninterested and all I could think is, "I would be paying 1.5-2 k for terrible performance" so I just kept walking. Thermae I didn't try, reading this forum really discourages you from even going there, and the 1 girl I tried to take from a massage place was not at all interested in meeting up with me outside of the parlor.

I also tried Mixx, Levels, and Insanity. I just wasn't quite sure how to go about it in those places. I ended up taking no one in Levels and Mixx, but I actually like to dance, so I still had a good time. There was an attractive girl in Levels who kept hanging around me, she definitely wasn't Thai, but I couldn't tell what she was, she kept turning down the Indian guys who approached her, and there were at least 7 who tried, so I assumed she wasn't a freelancer or had really high prices. In Insanity a lady actually approached me after being there about 20 minutes (before only the older FL's would approach) and I had a great LT session with her, BBFS and everything, which is something I usually don't even want.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2392654]In Billboard and Butterflies I did not know that 2 lady drinks was becoming a requirement[/QUOTE]Nothing has changed it's always been that 2 drinks are required to get them to join you while they are dancing. Once they finish their set and are walking around or sitting only one drink is required. However be advised some ladies will ask for two drinks but you can tell her just one. Normally they'll ask one drink or two?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2392699]Nothing has changed it's always been that 2 drinks are required to get them to join you while they are dancing. Once they finish their set and are walking around or sitting only one drink is required. However be advised some ladies will ask for two drinks but you can tell her just one. Normally they'll ask one drink or two?[/QUOTE]Okay I always waited for her to get off the stage although may have given her the nod while still dancing.

Hey guys,

Newbie to the BKK scene. I think I've got the general nighttime itinerary down.

But any suggestions on daytime action? From what I can gather, it usually revolves around massage parlors / BJ bars / beer gardens / maybe apps.

Anything I'm missing from that list?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2392756]Okay I always waited for her to get off the stage although may have given her the nod while still dancing.[/QUOTE]That's exactly the right way to do it. Sometimes if you nod or motion to her she will hold up 2 fingers, asking now or wait. I'm not sure if once you have made it known that you want to buy the girl a drink if she will blow you off if she gets an offer for 2 drinks but she might. So if in your opinion she's the hottest girl in the club you might want to buy her 2 drinks otherwise your strategy of waiting is probably best.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2393000]That's exactly the right way to do it. Sometimes if you nod or motion to her she will hold up 2 fingers, asking now or wait. I'm not sure if once you have made it known that you want to buy the girl a drink if she will blow you off if she gets an offer for 2 drinks but she might. So if in your opinion she's the hottest girl in the club you might want to buy her 2 drinks otherwise your strategy of waiting is probably best.[/QUOTE]Good advice. "The quick and the dead".

Yes if I am crazy for her already, 2 drinks would be no obstacle, but I hate it if fat mamasan comes over and tries to get involved. I don't want to buy fat mamasan a drink nor negotiate while she is hanging around. I will even ask the girl to utilise some other mamasan when a BF is paid. I had my bad experience in the past at another bar (Crazy House).

I usually stay in Sukhumvit and my last visit to Patpong is years ago. So this holiday returning from Cambodia I booked an AirBNB close to Patpong just for memories.

Hmmm, I did not barfine, so maybe you want to skip this post. But nevertheless I decided to report my observations because I did not see a lot of reports of Patpong.

Reading Stickmans for example I was aware of a lot of changed, but unfortunately this is true for other monger places I know as well.

First stop Glamour Saturday night at 8:15 pm no customers nice line up but no vibe because the girls only did the shuffle, not dancing with the energy I like. I expect a lady to show some effort and interest before I would invite her for a lady drink. The Mojito they served in a longdrink glas was the best I got this night.

Next Black Pagoda, I did not like the lineup lots of tall ladies, maybe some transgender thrown in, the smaller ones lacking in the boobs department. One might be OK bodywise but had no friendly face, maybe I am spoilt for past time experiences. Also not very entertaining, lots of the ladies dancing at the windows facing the street instead of entertaining their customers.

Next Bada Bing 10 pm. Good lineup and energy on stage. When the second shift climbed the stage one lady was instructed by her mamasan how to move. We exchanged smiles, 10 seconds later she was snapped by a Korean who barfined her immediately, even before her ladydrink was served. Thats real determination! When checking bin I had to complain because the change was 100 BHT short.

King Castle III had plenty of eye candy, better than the other two (lineup there being smaller). But lack of energy and nobody sparked my interest.

Safari had no customers, after having a look at the menu I left because the drinks are definitely more pricey than in the other venues.

Club XXX, probably formerly Electric Blue. Few customers, one lady was quite entertaining while on stage. After her turn I invited her to sit with me, hmm she was a little bit chubby but had a real nice rack. Another plus, the ladies in uniform do not wear underwear. Nice touch, pun intended. Well, she really wanted to be barfined, but because of her lacking english and liking for Tequila shots (she downed 2 in approx. 15 minutes) I decided to move on.

Stickman wrote that The Strip closed because of lack of business, so I was surprised to find it open. Although there were almost no customers the ladies did not show much interest in me, instead they pointed out other ladies. When this happens I am usually a little bit annoied, so I decided to invite the cute waitress for a ladydrink. It turned out she started working in a bar 2 days ago. You guessed it, shy and little english but she was sweet and google translate is your friend. We did small talk only (no interview) she had put me in the innocent mood, especially because she told me, that she had to struggle to come to work this day and might quit work tomorrow. Nevertheless she seemed ready to leave with me, but being a nice guy (mostly) I thought she will regret this later and told her so. But I thought it might be nice to talk a little bit longer outside and asked her if she is hungry. Yes she was. No surprise these ladies are almost always hungry. She did not know how much the barfine is and we had to ask her collegue. Oh, it is written on the menu, gogo dancers 1000 BHT, staff 2000 BHT. WTF? Well, I don't think you can negotiate bfs and even if they had reduced to 1000 BHT, this would not have been an option (for just having a late dinner). I will stay 1 more day only before taking my flight back to farangland. Otherwise I might had asked for her line ID, to fix a meeting tomorrow.

Final thoughts, all over the world the mongering scene is changing (worse) and Patpong is no exception. I liked The strip and Glamour, maybe I went there too early and later it is more thriving. The gay scene is increasing especially on Patpong 2, somaybe you pay a visit before nit nis really too late, I think for 1 or 2 nights Patpong has enough to offer.

Enjoy smily.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2392235]IFirst, I live in Holland, not too far from Amsterdam and that is close enough to Germany to go there at least once a month. If you compare the service of German FKK with Amsterdam than German FKK is really better but not always all girls. But the average surely is. If I compare the service and skills of Thai ladies to German FKK than that is just mind-blowing. It's not a difference between a Mercedes and a Volkswagon. No, nothing like it. Thai sex for me is no sex. Totally not interested. If I had to have sex in Thailand only, then I would quit the scene altogether.[/QUOTE]Hello DioRetz,

Not sure I follow your logic with respect to the performance of the FKK girls in Germany and also Switzerland. Swiss FKK is 2-3 x more expensive and thus the top notch girls tend to work in Swiss. However, I went back to SnowWhite recently and while the room is merely adequate, it was nonetheless clean and odorless. I told the Mamasan that I like "tongue in ass" , two shots and BBBJ with CIM and / or CIF. The cost is still only 2100- for 90 min. You can cum as often as you can in the allotted time. The Mamasan pointed out the ugliest girl for my desired service, but a very cute Isan girl (named Beauty) gave me this huge smile and was eager to please me, so I chose her. Mamasan told her what I like and upstairs we went. Soapy shower and I slipped a finger into the girls anus as she rubbed my body with her soapy tits.

Next up was an oily massage, body to body but I was in a hurry to let go of my first shot. When I lifted up my ass of the bed only slightly, she immediately got the message, rubbed my gludes and fingered my anus and balls and then proceeded licking me down there and stuck her tongue inside. What a lovely few in the mirror and even better her smile and attitude while she was doing it. I obviously enjoyed watching her and she kept eye contact with me! I got up on the bed, made her kneels down, give me a blow job next. I was able to watch my actions in the mirror on the opposite wall. What a beautiful turn on. And then I face fucked her until I came in her mouth and over her face. She kept the cum in her mouth, lingered on, sucked a bit more and only then let go of my cock and used a tissue to clean up the mess in her face. She left the room to clean up and was back in about three minutes and continue the massage where we had left off.

When I turned around, she sucked my balls and cock which was still oozing some cum with no hesitation, made me hard again and let me fuck her in numerous positions. She did not mind my fingers in all her holes. I did not DATY but she would have been up for that. My second orgasm was mind blowing and I came hard while doing her doggy style.

Her attitude was fantastic, her face really cute with straight super white teeth, shorter and possibly stockier than some of you might want but I am only 165 cm, so she was perfect for me. She had natural boobs, again small but with sensitive nipples.

Thus my question to DioRetz, where in German FKK, where entry alone is 50 Euros and each 30 min is also 30 Euros, do you get such performance from the girls? In Baden or Stuttgart area the Romanian and Bulgarian girls who hang around in the FKK will surely not give such an experience.

Thank you for any tips on your FKK experience. And yes, I drove Volkswagen and Mercedes but enjoy my 5 series BMW now!

I RTFF already, can you recommend a proper luxurious spa / massage for after blowing my loads with no P2P service so the girl will focus on massage and not the extra money. Near Majestic Suites.

[QUOTE=Smily59;2393296]
Final thoughts, all over the world the mongering scene is changing (worse) and Patpong is no exception. I liked The strip and Glamour, maybe I went there too early and later it is more thriving. The gay scene is increasing especially on Patpong 2, somaybe you pay a visit before nit nis really too late, I think for 1 or 2 nights Patpong has enough to offer.

Enjoy smily.[/QUOTE]Some of us are harder to please so I also found very few of the Pat Pong bars to my liking. Not even Bada Bing nor Electric Blue. KC one of them was good. Pat Pong may no longer be as raunchy as it was 25 years ago. Of course too much surgeries these days like elsewhere.

I think the correct time to be there should be 8. 30 PM to 9. 30 PM. 2 tequilas in 15 minutes. Ha ha. Nothing strange about that. Some of them drink like fish.

Some bars serve the ladies weakened and / or sweetened tequilas so they can drink a lot more of them. Some of the Soi cowboy bars serve a different tequila to customers than what the ladies drink. Suzie Wong had real tequilas (maybe not top brand) but at least customer and lady tequila were the same. Billboard was serving girls pink sweet and milky tequilas (not a tequila at all). Some sort of rose sweet liqueur.

[QUOTE=AocOrchid;2393307]I told the Mamasan that I like "tongue in ass" , two shots and BBBJ with CIM and / or CIF. The cost is still only 2100- for 90 min. You can cum as often as you can in the allotted time. The Mamasan pointed out the ugliest girl for my desired service, but a very cute Isan girl (named Beauty) gave me this huge smile and was eager to please me, so I chose her.[/QUOTE]As you found out, I believe every girl has what you want on their menu. But most of the girls are on the ugly side. Beauty was decent, not ugly. On my scale, she was a 6, the only girl that was acceptable for me. But she definitely was a performer.

- For the last couple of years, it seems they got rid of full nudity. Last week, observed full nudity at Twisters (the one on the first floor), and couple of other bars. Still no nudity at Billboards.

- I went into or looked at most of the non-LB bars. IMO, the best talent was at Rainbow 4 (the one on the second floor). It was packed with girls and customers.

[QUOTE=AocOrchid;2392314]Line up of girls is on their Twitter Feed.

Prices are communicated over WeChat or Line.

I was quoted 3 k for 60 min and 3.5 k for 90 min.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Awesome, I figured something like that happened. I'll refer him to this place and make sure he RTFF.

[QUOTE=AocOrchid;2393307]Thus my question to DioRetz, where in German FKK, where entry alone is 50 Euros and each 30 min is also 30 Euros, do you get such performance from the girls? [/QUOTE]I sincerely hope you don't get it. I don't like anal, not giving nor receiving. I don't like to face fuck or anything like that. It is not very common in FKK land. What is more to the point is comparing your own experiences. I had some bad luck in Germany but not much. I had only one good experience in Thailand. And I tried a lot. Then about finances. Including drinks I spent 250 euro on my last misery in Thailand. I think each person must honestly say what they like or not and then others can make up their minds about that. Your preferences and your experiences differ very much from mine. So enjoy.

[QUOTE=TomSam;2391024]Trip report:

Just got back from a session at Thermae / Ruamchit. It was excellent.

First, I went to Soi Cowboy around 7, a bit early but many customers are already drinking outside and waiting for prime time. Walked through the soi and went into Crazy House. There were about 7 patrons and 5 girls on stage. Several of the girls were fully nude which gave me my first boner of the day and got me a bit excited for the night. The mamasan was super friendly / polite and non-pushy. I got a Heineken for 170 be and tipped her 30 be. After 10 minutes, mamasan looked at me and made a finger into hole on the other hand and motion in and out -the universal sign language for bang- I smiled and said no. There were a couple of tall slim girls with perfect bodies and big fake tits. A few of them had tattoos. There was a rotation of girls every 20 minutes or so. I left to go to Thermae after 2 rotations. I would have love to fuck a couple of them but alas I only have 1 bullet and have to save it for the one.

Walked to Thermae, got there 10 min before 8. There were so many guys and girls outside waiting for it to open. It is quite an interesting scene. If people walk by, I would imagine they be puzzling what's going on. Got a drink from Ruamchit lobby and sat down to wait and look for my potential partner for the night. The bar didn't open until 8:10. I saw 1 girl who was probably in the top 5 there, almost asked her before the bar even open but decided to wait to see others. Walked in and got a drink at the bar on the left. Then proceeded to walk from the left and going clockwise. Saw a couple of hotties but when I looped around, saw a stunner on the left who is super smiley. Went to chat with her. I surprised her and she looked a bit shocked because of English, she then responded and said something which I heard 2000. I happily OK, she asked where, I pointed upstairs. Paid the 800 be for room fee and condoms to Ruamchit. I really liked her personality as she had decent English, was bubbly talkative, said she studied at university, she is 23 yo. She was beautiful, I couldn't believe my luck. The early bird gets the worm I suppose.

We got to our room and showered. Ruamchit is a nice hotel, very clean and modern, I was very happy with it. She then asked me to pay first, I gave her 2000 but she then said 3000, I guess I misheard her the first time. I happily obliged. She was very GF like. She was playful and flirty, saying she shy and kept trying to dim the lights, and how big I am. I think she really mean it too because she say it many times. And ask how come I'm so big. She knows how to flatter me LOL. Gave me a good and long bb BJ. It was fucking amazing. It was a beautiful sight. She then put on the condom which is tiny. She couldn't put it on and asked me to help her. Condom fit down like 60% of my shaft so we just continue with it. We did missionary, doggy, cowgirl, deep french kiss. While doggy I put my finger on her beautiful buthole and there was 0 resistance. I almost came but tried not to. I then put her on missionary and came when she told me: "cum into my pussy". My vision got blurry when I came, it was like I was on drugs. Man what an experience. Wish I could have recorded it. We then cleaned up. She said I can leave first. I tipped her 300 be. When leaving I saw a young white guy with a girl coming up. She was super hot as well. I was like wow, I love this place.

Thermae and Ruamchit combo is the thing to do. There were like 5 girls there that were 9 or 10 out of 10. The whole process, the quality of the girls, the nice rooms, all add up to an amazing experience. I'm definitely coming back.[/QUOTE]Great report and always love to read one of a positive encounter on the tour. Have to ask though, are you Asian? In all the many times I have toured through Thermae I have not been able to interest the girls because of all the Asian guys that they are interested in. Nothing wrong with that at all, just saying that it has not been a happy hunting ground for this non-Asian punter!

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2394009]Great report and always love to read one of a positive encounter on the tour. Have to ask though, are you Asian? In all the many times I have toured through Thermae I have not been able to interest the girls because of all the Asian guys that they are interested in. Nothing wrong with that at all, just saying that it has not been a happy hunting ground for this non-Asian punter!

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]But never been able to get a good one from Thermaxe. They are interested only in White guys and Japaneese.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2393647]As you found out, I believe every girl has what you want on their menu. But most of the girls are on the ugly side. Beauty was decent, not ugly. On my scale, she was a 6, the only girl that was acceptable for me. But she definitely was a performer.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree on Beauty, even though not huge experience. Not as slim as I normally pick but her big smile was a winner. Best available at the time (not difficult). Her name is a slight exaggeration. Ha ha. In the room I was happy enough too. I could repeat for her nice pussy and nice smile.

[QUOTE=TomSam;2391024]Trip report:

Just got back from a session at Thermae / Ruamchit. It was excellent.

First, I went to Soi Cowboy around 7, a bit early but many customers are already drinking outside and waiting for prime time. Walked through the soi and went into Crazy House. [/QUOTE]Probably wise to get to Thermae early. It gets over crowded. I never got offered 2000, so that had to be too good to be true, as you learned. However I also never recently got a girl as good as yours.

7 is too early for Crazy House. Its just possible that some of the best standard girls will be still arriving between 9 PM and 9. 30 PM. E. g. Girls with good natural tits too. I don't really attend any more. It has gone downhill. The less popular girls cannot afford late fines and so may well start early.

[QUOTE=TravelToMeet;2394015]But never been able to get a good one from Thermaxe. They are interested only in White guys and Japaneese.[/QUOTE]I must be visiting a different thermae's.

I've only seen this happen once in thermae when a dark skinned dude walked up to a girl, and she immediately shook her head (and she wasn't even in the top 20 hottest girls there).

99.9% girls will at least talk to the dude, and the price / service negotiations is probably what kills the deal (rather than ethnicity / nationality).

What's the latest on best place for a threesome? What is really the difference between oil vs soapy? Aren't they both body mattress sessions with unattractive old single mothers?

[QUOTE=TravelToMeet;2394015]But never been able to get a good one from Thermaxe. They are interested only in White guys and Japaneese.[/QUOTE]Interested in white guys? Hmmm my experience would say: Japanese interest (almost) only. Mayb some Chinese now or Koreans. But middle aged whitte dudes get little looks from the hotties there.

Some rare girls waiting in the street in the evening outside Nana Plaza can be as young and as good-looking as the girls in the go-gos. Their asking price is 1500.

The average-looking ones will ask 1000.

Strictly covered blowjobs in this SW venue according to my sample so far (4 girls).

Quite a few stunners in the go-gos. Short time price on a par with FKK Globe in Zurich though.

[QUOTE=XXL;2394465]Some rare girls waiting in the street in the evening outside Nana Plaza can be as young and as good-looking as the girls in the go-gos. Their asking price is 1500.

The average-looking ones will ask 1000.

Strictly covered blowjobs in this SW venue according to my sample so far (4 girls).

Quite a few stunners in the go-gos. Short time price on a par with FKK Globe in Zurich though.[/QUOTE]Never had a problem with BBBJ from SWs on soi 4.

The fact that ST is the same price as Zurich shows just how ridiculous prices in Bkk have become.

After arriving in BKK, I first wanted to try out Line and ThaiFriendly. A bit disappointed in Line so far, but have to be fair also, it is still early.

After installing Line with my brand new Thai phone number, I set up a new account. After that I have only been looking for the 'People Nearby' function, which I could not find. It is supposed to be there, but my Line app looks different from any screenshot online. Where some Line apps have a menu option 'More' at the bottom of the screen (behind which the Nearby function should be located), this Line app has the option 'Wallet' which is something different entirely. And yes, I have updated the pp to the most recent version. Any ideas?

For ThaiFriendly, I did the same. With my Thai phone number I created an account, uploaded a picture and liked some ladies. A bunch are ugly and not many seem to be into p4 p (stating this explicitly in their profile). But interesting contacts start to come in now, so will probably give it a shot sometime soon.

First night in town and eager, but also very tired from the travel. So I decided to take it slow, building up energy for the days to cum. I wanted to take a look at Nana without barfining any girl (just scouting for future purposes) and I wanted to have a beer at the Beer Garten in soi 7.

Before entering nana, I cruised soi 4 a bit. A lot of ugly and / or old girls, also in the beer bars IMHO. There were a few pretty girls, but their silicones were just over the top. If well proportioned I personally don't mind sillies, but this was too much. A pitty, because their faces and bodies looked good.

Going into Nana, I walked around the various floors and peeked into the bars. This was at 8 pm, so even though still early I thought there would be at least some action. But unfortunately there were almost no girls dancing. In only a few bars there was some action, including nude titties, but not good enough for me to enter.

So on my way to Beer Garten, where I had some moderate success on previous trips. Got a beer and looked around. Many older girls, but a few not older ones too. There was a small group of girls laughing and being enthousiastic. I wanted to sit next to one of these girls, but when I approached her I saw she was older than I thought. Her friend's face was way better up close, so I sat with her. We just had a chat and soon enough she began to seduce me. Well, she was really good at it, so she got me. Kisses with tongue and sexy moves and looks, all good!

Soon I bought her and myself another beer, at 115 a piece. She asked me for beer for her friends too, but I said no. That would not have been justified, as there was little interaction with the friends. That was no problem, she apologized for asking. After our beer we went for a ST hotel, the Oyo in soi 7/1 (one alley further away from nana, compared to Beer Garten). Oyo (at 350 baht) was ok-ish but not so clean.

Her service was quite good, total GFE (even though we fucked hard at the end). Shower together and in the bedroom she was all over me. Extensive cat bath, full-on DFK but not a long BBBJ as I was hoping for. Very enthousiastic performer, who busted my nuts and made them feel sore from a big explosion. She had a 6-ish body under her clothes. Just not stunning, though not fat or ugly either. Face for me the best, very sexy.

I paid her 2500. Way to much, I know. But I felt she earned it and we had good chemistry going on. Got her Line details, but not sure whether I will repeat. Body not good enough, so will be looking for something better. If I repeat, it will be for the same price at my own hotel but then for a longer time. All to be agreed up-front via Line.

Noticed this review especially because the punter paid up front after the girl requested it. I usually end the session immediately when that happens because as most us know that almost guarantees a mediocre to bad session. However, in this case, our punter seemed to get his money's worth. That usually is not the case. Also, he said that the girl quoted $2 k baht in Thermae Club but told him it was $3 k baht in the room. This appears highly dubious. Is this now the going price for short term at Thermae?

It's up to us to negotiate harder or it will, as someone else noted, in another thread be Zurich prices if it not already is.

[QUOTE=XXL;2394465]...
Quite a few stunners in the go-gos. Short time price on a par with FKK Globe in Zurich though.[/QUOTE]I am afraid you're wrong or my math is messed up.

I was in Globe, Zurich this past September, and if I recall correctly I paid 90 CHF to enter and 140 CHF per session. I had 2 sessions that day, hence my total cost was 185 CHF per session. That's over 5 K baths, a far cry from 1,500 bahts.

At Hormone.

I went to Thermae about 5 times. I don't like it very much but they like me quite a bit. When I showed interest in what I considered the top beauty she flushed and was proud of my interest. I for one was not interested in the perceived service level that I would get.

At Lefeu.

In Tilac for example you may have to pay 2000 baht barfine and at least 3000 short time. You have to treat her a few drinks. That will lift you way above the 5000 baht. In Globe you get food and quite some drinks for free. So why add it to the price for the girl each and every time and forget about the drinks in Thailand. Next to that, in a first session with a girl in Thailand she will try to limit the time to 20 minutes. In Globe she cannot do that. But I do think that Globe is too expensive and overrated.

[QUOTE=BestTimeEver;2394529]After arriving in BKK, I first wanted to try out Line and ThaiFriendly. A bit disappointed in Line so far, but have to be fair also, it is still early.

After installing Line with my brand new Thai phone number, I set up a new account. After that I have only been looking for the 'People Nearby' function, which I could not find. It is supposed to be there, but my Line app looks different from any screenshot online. Where some Line apps have a menu option 'More' at the bottom of the screen (behind which the Nearby function should be located), this Line app has the option 'Wallet' which is something different entirely. And yes, I have updated the pp to the most recent version. Any ideas?
....[/QUOTE]The "People Nearby" feature is not available on Line in Thailand. That's why you don't see it in the menu here.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2394535]...
Also, he said that the girl quoted $2 k baht in Thermae Club but told him it was $3 k baht in the room. This appears highly dubious. Is this now the going price for short term at Thermae?

It's up to us to negotiate harder or it will, as someone else noted, in another thread be Zurich prices if it not already is.[/QUOTE]As I recall, he described that Thermae girl as a "stunner". I would say the chances of a better looking than most Thermae girl actually quoting 2,000 baht as an opening number in a negotiation these days is very low, perhaps only if it is her very first day in Bangkok from an outlying province and her first hour in Thermae.

3,000 baht as the opening quote for all but the older, chubbier or more plain looking girls in the place is far more likely and it's been that way for at least a year or two. Yes, many will quickly drop to 2,500 baht if the customer does nothing more than hesitate a nanosecond to accept the quote or appears to be taking a step away from the girl and the negotiation. And I believe negotiating to 2,000 baht is still possible with some of the better looking girls in Thermae if some conditions are right for it; the time of night, day of the month, customer competition, your level of game, presentability, etc.

So, as far as the "going rate" is concerned, I might not be so quick to say 3,000 baht is the new going rate in Thermae. But it is certainly a common starting point for the better looking girls there, imo and in my experience.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2394571]I am afraid you're wrong or my math is messed up.

I was in Globe, Zurich this past September, and if I recall correctly I paid 90 CHF to enter and 140 CHF per session. I had 2 sessions that day, hence my total cost was 185 CHF per session. That's over 5 K baths, a far cry from 1,500 bahts.[/QUOTE]And with drinks, BF, ST hotel, and what the gal wants, your very close to 5 k.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2394571]I am afraid you're wrong or my math is messed up.

I was in Globe, Zurich this past September, and if I recall correctly I paid 90 CHF to enter and 140 CHF per session. I had 2 sessions that day, hence my total cost was 185 CHF per session. That's over 5 K baths, a far cry from 1,500 bahts.[/QUOTE]The 1500 price is for the street girls (that looks as good as girls in go gos). Then he moved on to talk about go gos but did not mention price before making the price comparison

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2394571]I am afraid you're wrong or my math is messed up.

I was in Globe, Zurich this past September, and if I recall correctly I paid 90 CHF to enter and 140 CHF per session. I had 2 sessions that day, hence my total cost was 185 CHF per session. That's over 5 K baths, a far cry from 1,500 bahts.[/QUOTE]At Twister's (Nana Plaza, upper floor) I took a girl for 1000 barfine + 3000 for the girl + drinks + a tip the mamasan kept (stole) from me of her own accord. This is over 4000 without short time room. Short time room was 350, + 50 for a bicycle tyre condom (my bad not bringing my condom). The girl had no lube and was dry as concrete. I'm sure they would have sold me a fingernail amount of lube for 100 baht though. In Globe soft drinks would be free as well as the short time rooms, plus there would be in-house food and girls would have their own lube. So all in all a Nana Plaza go-go is now at Globe level in terms of cost.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2394614]The "People Nearby" feature is not available on Line in Thailand. That's why you don't see it in the menu here.[/QUOTE]Well, that explains it LOL Must be my mistake, I must have misread it, seeing posts in the Vietnam forum or so. My bad.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2321000]Warning, kids, don't try this at home. Proceed with caution.[/QUOTE]But just now, when searching the Thai forum for posts about Line, I did come across this post of yourself: Dating site movie buddy surprise'. Now besides the tricky part of story, this does qualify as a very good time for me, if not one of the best. Great experience!

[QUOTE=XXL;2394666]At Twister's (Nana Plaza, upper floor) I took a girl for 1000 barfine + 3000 for the girl + drinks + a tip the mamasan kept (stole) from me of her own accord. This is over 4000 without short time room. Short time room was 350, + 50 for a bicycle tyre condom (my bad not bringing my condom). The girl had no lube and was dry as concrete. I'm sure they would have sold me a fingernail amount of lube for 100 baht though. In Globe soft drinks would be free as well as the short time rooms, plus there would be in-house food and girls would have their own lube. So all in all a Nana Plaza go-go is now at Globe level in terms of cost.[/QUOTE]Prices have become obscene. And for your 4500 plus, for the most part you're getting a rush job where the gal can't wait to get back to the bar for another go. I can think of a lot better ways to spend 150 USD. Still think much over 50 USD is a lot for a st lay. For a porn star stunner that does everything, spends a full two hours with you, and tries to get you to pop as many times as she can, is seductive and skilled, 150 usd would be acceptable.
Fewer and fewer western dudes in the bars. That trend will continue.

[QUOTE=XXL;2394666]At Twister's (Nana Plaza, upper floor) I took a girl for 1000 barfine + 3000 for the girl + drinks + a tip the mamasan kept (stole) from me of her own accord. This is over 4000 without short time room. Short time room was 350, + 50 for a bicycle tyre condom (my bad not bringing my condom). The girl had no lube and was dry as concrete. I'm sure they would have sold me a fingernail amount of lube for 100 baht though. In Globe soft drinks would be free as well as the short time rooms, plus there would be in-house food and girls would have their own lube. So all in all a Nana Plaza go-go is now at Globe level in terms of cost.[/QUOTE]I think some of these problems are avoidable, if you are not too drunk. Not sure how mamasan stole a tip. 1000 is a round number (no change). You should not be paying the girl's 3 k in advance. Best to pay BF separately to the drinks. I usually hand the BF direct to the girl and she can go seek a mamasan. I don't like mamasans being present when trying to make a deal with a girl (however I speak Thai so communication is not a problem). If mamasans are hanging around me I can wait till they go away.

Last time a mamasan was hanging around while I was trying to make a deal with a girl, it ended up badly, at RB4. Mamasan tried to make me pay in advance. No go. Later turned out the girl refuses to take her pants off and fuck due to her period. Was clear she was trying to get to my cock first maybe so she could attempt a BJ and demand payment. I also refused to take my pants off given she would not. Later I saw her black stained pad in panties.

You can get lube at the 7 Eleven store or pharmacy window opposite Nana Plaza (if it is still there. Perhaps not). I usually carry my lube (from another country), however will buy when needed. Absolutely essential (even if BBFS). ST Hotels will have very small packs of lube. Worst case you should buy 2 of those. You can also but better condoms at the 7 Eleven. Okamoto 003, or larger size Durex Comfort for example.

Twisters is an Iffy bar. I have had on very good girl from there and also a dud. See how lovey dovey and keen she is during the drinks. If at all stand-offish or in a hurry, forget it. If she is not willing to leave the confines of Nana Plaza, that is an automatic fail, unless she has a very valid reason like not being a Thai citizen. I do know a waitress who works in Twisters (she is fat but no matter), so if I was there would seek my waitress's advice about which girls can be fun. She would know a lot. She gets tips / drinks from me, for being very helpful. She can so easily help me rule out "bad" girls.

If you are well prepared with the essentials, you might have a good time just possibly and the high cost will hurt less. If its a dud girl as well, the a lot of money wasted. I mainly do repeat girls to cut down my failures to a minimum.

Don't recall now if I fucked any Nana Plaza girls this year. There was the RB4 non fuck. Maybe one or two others, likely duds if I can't remember them now. In Cowboy maybe 4 girls done, with 1 being a regular.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2394629]And with drinks, BF, ST hotel, and what the gal wants, your very close to 5 k.[/QUOTE]His session in Switzerland is probably 30 minutes. So in Thailand one ought to be getting a lot of extra time (over 30 minutes unless duped). If he took just one fuck, his session price would have ridden.

Despite all this it is comparable with a bargirl ST. A bargirl needs to provide something special to be worth it. Escorts start to look an attractive option if only we could be sure they are as attractive as advertised (which is unlikely).

I prefer to use ST Hotels only on quite days so as to get more than 1 hour in the room, still my ST Hotel use has largely dried up due to not living in Bangkok any more, and only passing through from time to time. If one does not need a pornstar, some of the Soi 4 girls become a good option. Starts to become like I now go to a bar to drink alcohol, talk (if possible), maybe eat (in the pub) and maybe watch some entertainment, but not so much looking for a fuck now.

These days the need to see naked girls finally declines a bit. I can watch pretty Webcam girls gyrate and masturbate for free if don't mind 2 dimensional. No clue why others pay money. I don't need to control what the girl does. I am sure this is another factor adding to decline of business in the gogos. Being in a room full of naked girls in Germany or Switzerland still has its appeal (once in a while), although only a small percentage are really pretty. Have goto regulars there too, to avoid getting duds.

I like watching naked girls a lot if they have a good body and a good face as well, preferably all natural. With an ordinary face, or weak body, I lose interest quite fast, so lose interest in Crazy House quite fast these days.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2394680]I don't like mamasans being present when trying to make a deal with a girl (however I speak Thai so communication is not a problem). If mamasans are hanging around me I can wait till they go away.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies;2394680]I do know a waitress who works in Twisters (she is fat but no matter), so if I was there would seek my waitress's advice about which girls can be fun. She would know a lot. She gets tips / drinks from me, for being very helpful. She can so easily help me rule out "bad" girls.[/QUOTE]Hanging around is not exactly the same as giving advice, but I guess the same mamasan services are intended by someone in both these cases. So I guess you would promote (demote?) a waitress to mamasan? With the difference being that you know the waitress and that you approach her for asking advice (instead of her approaching you)?

I totally get it and I would do the same. I don't like mamasans in general, because I don't like to be pushed into anything. But mamasan services are worth gold in my opinion. If one has developed a relationship with the mamasan and some kind of mutual trust, an understanding that you will treat each other with fairness. Of course, it is also necessary to have good girls around, otherwise the mamasan services are not helpful. But with a large number of good girls, mamasans are technically able to make every session a top experience.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2394651]The 1500 price is for the street girls (that looks as good as girls in go gos). Then he moved on to talk about go gos but did not mention price before making the price comparison[/QUOTE]You are right. After I submitted my response, I realized that the 1500 price was for street girls and not for the better looking GoGo girls. I tried to delete my post afterwards but could not figure out how.

With respect to other comments, indeed the session at Globe is for 1/2 hour only. That's fine with me as I have no desire to stick around and chat with the girl. When I monger in Colombia, I typically rent an apartment and as a result I spend more time with the girls. I provide food and booze, and my Spanish is pretty decent. Even then I get bored pretty quickly because these girls are relatively young (early to mid 20's) and I am not close to their age. I find it difficult to keep them entertained.

In my comparison I forgot to mention that 30 minutes or 60 minutes makes no difference to me in terms of ST. And I can and will only pop once, so a 2 or 3-hour ST would be no use to me either. Ten minutes into the session I know if the session will be a success or a failure, and if successful it will usually be over by the 30 minutes mark, though I don't mind doing small talk or taking a few pictures as extra time.

If your goal is to "squeeze" 2 or 3 pops into a ST, Thailand wins hands down of course, in spite of the grievously inflated prices. But what can be the fun of exerting oneself to come twice within such a short time, even if you can? Maybe on stims + sildenafil, but that's a hobby that goes dangerously beyond getting laid.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2394715]You are right. After I submitted my response, I realized that the 1500 price was for street girls and not for the better looking GoGo girls. I tried to delete my post afterwards but could not figure out how.

With respect to other comments, indeed the session at Globe is for 1/2 hour only. That's fine with me as I have no desire to stick around and chat with the girl. [/QUOTE]If 30 minutes is all you need, it is hardly worthwhile coming to Thailand. Its too far. In the old days Thailand was suited to getting a girl for the whole night for a very good price, or even to hire her for multiple days on a holiday tour.

I still get a price benefit in Thailand over Germany, due to needing more time. 60 minutes is my minimum (in Germany too) and sometimes runs to 90 minutes or whatever extra time is available.

We mourn the days of 1991 where a gogo girl wanted as little 500 Baht from you to stay the night, and next day you had to pay her to signal she should leave. I think Soapy girls cost a bit more. Some would hang around as long as possible. Ten years earlier it might have been 200 Baht or so for a girl to stay the night, in some areas. To get extremely cheap girls now, Cambodia is better I think. In 1991 it was almost crazy to consider sleeping alone, unless one really needed a lot of catch up sleep. Far better to have a naked girl in the bed, even if she could not speak English at all, in those days. Now I often sleep alone.

There was no ISG, and no internet back then. I got my info from a buddy who had been to Thailand before. Can't remember what other methods. In 1991 we had no clue that Nana Plaza may have already existed. Cowboy and Pat Pong were the main monger areas, although Thermae and Grace coffee shops were known, Thermae Soapy, and a few other Soapies like Darling were known due to having massive high rise signage. Plenty of suspect Oily MPs of course. Sometimes you found Mongering locations just by walking around and seeing them. There were always touts on the streets ready to shown you glossy brochures, sometime of a particular Soapy MP, then they would take you to an actually different Soapy from the one in the Brochure. Ha ha.