Jakarta

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1424779]Are you sure about that date? As I recall Ramadan will be in full swing in July and pickings will be slim.

Jakarta is not hit as hard as other areas but you may want to check.

Bali is not affected by Ramadan. The place is mainly buddhist.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]My friend google says that Ramadan is from July 9th.

I hope I have the date correct as I get there from the 1st.

[QUOTE=Cooldoe; 1424533]Well then he can try jakarta street pick up or venture into the kalijodo or daan mogot area.

I cannot vouch for his safety though.[/QUOTE]There is No need to take street walkers to save money. Is enough no to go with the best looking girls from the most expensive places.

I let the stunners in high heels and evening dress to the Business men or the tourist that stay a couple of days and like to party like is theyr last day on the planet.

I always stay long time in the same place and like to concentrate on the more casual places and girls, In the first days I will visit the most Known places in North, and South jakarta and will choose the ones I prefer, so I don't even need the help of JAD that concentrates more on brothels and escorts that I don't use.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1424795]You can try the VIP room in D's Place in Blok M. I had several BJ's there and all were uncovered including CIM.

FS is also possible in the VIP room if you don't mind having a couple of expats looking on from a distance.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Thanks Ken, yes I was referring specifically to the pro-shops in North Jakarta which are beginning to turn into Wal-Mart style operations. I do still prefer the nickel and dime operators of South Jakarta. I have thoroughly enjoyed BBJ's and FS on many occasions in the VIP room of D's, I prefer the secluded dark corner by the bar and always tip one of the older girls to stand sentry duty to ensure privacy, not that anyone is in the least bit interested anyway.

I like it.

Well I was wondering how much you guys usually pay for FS with the in-hotel massage services. Lets say 500. 000 IDR till 800. 000IDR hotels in jakarta. I have not yet experienced a single hotel in jakarta or medan where they offer HJ but do not want BJ or FS. Although I usually do have to propose the BJ or FS myself.

In my experience an extended sessions is around 250. 000-300. 000 for the massage itself and I can not get to settle the girls for less then 1 till 1. 3 juta total (massage + FS included). The older they are the less they seem to let the price go down. BJ or FS negotation usually seems to be the same price for the same girl which I find rather odd. In le grandeur manga dua 1. 4 juta would usually do it for the most gorgeous women (around 25-27 year old) I saw in indonesia, on the downside the actual action after the massage is a little bit time-limited. I enjoy the massages so usually we discuss extra service at the end. I realize this are very high prizes compared to freelancer and standard spa's. That is why I wonder if I am the only one who can not negotiate for in room massage. Usually they ask how much I want to give, but a low or high opening bid does not seem to change anything.

Any personal experiences? Or perhaps negotation tips. I do not want to ruin the market prize. I realize the room prize gives a bad start negotiation entry already.

Bros,

I'm amazed we do this every year, but for the benefit of those making their travel plans, I'll try and make it clear. Please do correct me if I get any facts wrong.

Ramadhan may start either 9th or 10th July and the Eid will follow either 7th or 8th August. Some girls will leave Jakarta before Ramadhan and some before the end of Ramadhan to home to their families. It's also a time of discipline and fasting, hence some girls will not indulge in anything between sunrise and sunset. There will always be exceptions to the rule and it should also be noted that not all girls are Muslims. Incidentally Ko, Bali is predominantly Hindu. Although a lot of Javanese women are "working" there now. I was chatting with one of the old FLs I knew from quite a while back; she told me that she had long since stopped going to CJs, but will be heading there to get some money for the fasting month (ironic really). If you do see her, be nice but be firm with your pricing. Her pic is attached below.

The net result is that most bars outside of hotels will shut down for the month and even the ones in hotels will close middle of the month and for the first two days of the Eid. Girls will be looking for money before the start of the month and those that stay until about the third week or so, will be looking for money to celebrate with their families too. There will be fewer girls around and in some cases they will be more discrete (I believe the Maribaya girls fall into this category) so please do your planning and homework. Some of the better connected places will still operate (read: Alexis, Malioboro, Travel etc) but do check beforehand.

The other topic frequently coming up is the pricing. Please do listen to the seniors who have been advising here; they have nothing to gain by giving false information. BTW Sebans, a cheaper girl doesn't necessarily mean less experienced. Some of the hardcore Blok M girls fall close to your price range, it's just that they can't find anyone to pay outrageous sums anymore. If you are really worried on the budget, go for the dating sites, after all, you have 30 days. That's more than enough time to date here. Within the dating sites, you'll still find the pros, the part timers and (in JAD's words) the civilians. The part timers are normally prettier and more demanding of your financial resources (read more expensive) but play your cards right and (if you're young and reasonably attractive) prices can come down.

Among the civilians (my area of interest) there are those truly seeking love; those who are seeking love but wouldn't mind some fun along the way; some looking for an escape to a foreign land; the ones seeking friendship and hoping they'll find love but don't mind some fun and a few just looking to have fun. Then there are some looking for something but they haven't made up their minds yet. I can't count the number who've expressed interest in me (and my profile is pretty clear that I'm not serious) yet when I check their profile, they're looking for marriage - so go figure. Within all these categories, there are some who expect oleh oleh (presents) and some who don't. Some who want to go out partying, and others who want to have a romantic dinner (plus a few who just want to come to your hotel room and have a good seeing to). Cheapest date: just about zero (I still give the minimum of chocolates). Most expensive date: 4 Million rupiahs plus shopping (she was regular and it wasn't every time that we went shopping or went out like that. Nice restaurant plus out for drinks and clubbing). My average date cost is around 200-500k depending on the person and the restaurant we go to.

Incidentally, if you do have a date, it's a hell of a lot cheaper going out for drinks and clubbing in Kemang rather than in BATS / CJs etc. Places like Dragonfly will kill your budget. The "normal" clubs are generally cheaper than the FL clubs for drinks but just check before you walk in. A simple indicator being the price of a bottle of vodka: if it's around 2 million and up, then you know the drinks are going to slaughter you. I think the club in Crowne Plaza (Retro?) is cheaper but not an FL joint last time I went. I don't dare comment on the price of drinks further than that as it's not really my area of expertise (although I've fallen prey to buying the odd Long Island for a girl here and there). If in doubt - or you're lazy to read and take in the advice here - seek the services of JAD.

MD II

What bugs me is that you guys always receive tons of interests and emails from young and sexy Jakarta girls on DIA and Indo cupid or Tagged and Badoo. I also have accounts on DIA and Indo cupid (gold) and Tagged and Badoo but I always receive only messages from old, ugly and overweight women living in Kalimantan, Irian Jaya or Medan or any far flung corner. Even I state specifically that I am not interested in Old fat mamas with kids.

Maybe the reason is that I am 39 years old and perhaps you guys are all in your early twenties and handsome like Brad Pitt in his best years. That of course would explain a lot.

I always have to message the ones I like myself but maybe 5 to 10% of them actually replies. But they do of course also receive shitloads of emails from guys.

[QUOTE=Medanboy; 1424974]Well I was wondering how much you guys usually pay for FS with the in-hotel massage services. Snip!

Snip That is why I wonder if I am the only one who can not negotiate for in room massage. Usually they ask how much I want to give, but a low or high opening bid does not seem to change anything.

Any personal experiences? Or perhaps negotation tips. I do not want to ruin the market prize. I realize the room prize gives a bad start negotiation entry already.[/QUOTE]Please see the report I just posted in the Jakarta Hotels thread. TTG is not smart enough to know how to put the reply in the correct forum. Sigh!

Anyway, no, you are not the only one who has trouble negotiating for in-room massage, as you will see from my old report. Negotiating with a PYT naked is never easy, Medanboy! TTG

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy; 1425058]Please see the report I just posted in the Jakarta Hotels thread. TTG is not smart enough to know how to put the reply in the correct forum. Sigh!

Anyway, no, you are not the only one who has trouble negotiating for in-room massage, as you will see from my old report. Negotiating with a PYT naked is never easy, Medanboy! TTG[/QUOTE]That's why they tease you and get you excited before popping the question if there's anything else you want. They'll be smiling staring down at the towel tent or (if there's no towel) the clear signs that you're not in the strongest negotiating position. The thing is that they might be just as horny as you, it's just that they haven't been "teased" into the same predicament yet.

Medanboy, you can't spoil the market really. The hotel in house massages are all more or less similar in price. Perhaps you need to "disturb" them during the massage and throw in the odd flirt. It does work upon occasion to help in the negotiation if they themselves get intrigued. It certainly isn't the cheapest way to have your fun. Alternatively suggest that they massage you in their underwear from the start. If they're open for anything, they will be open to this too. I managed some decent negotiations this way. You certainly aren't as compromised during negotiations somehow. Good luck.

MD II

hey mates:

just so you know, weird things are happening in the north part of jakarta. multiple clubs have been raided multiple times in the last 3-4 weeks. stadium, millenium, millie's, and illegal's have all seen police and military enter and patrons were [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] tested on the spot. google this and you will find tons of newspaper reports if you don't believe me. in all cases police had people in the clubs before to look things over before starting the raid. good news is all of these raids had to do with drugs and not the "other activities" that are agaist the law. but if you fancy more than a drink just know you could find yourself in a hot mess. also, if they decide they want to extort from the foreign bule caught with his pants down, you better hope your atm card works well. no one is sure why this is happening. but be careful. so far they have not targeted places such as sun city or malio, but for now i would stay out of places where drugs are the norm.

Been in Jakarta 2 weeks so far. I speak fluent Bahasa but I am very notorious (or famous) for not being able to pick up girls in Jakarta. So far only had 3 girls all of them from Tagged. They were ok looking, one of them was actually quite ok and I want to meet her more but after she met me 2 times she mysteriously disappeared from the face of the earth (her phone would also not be active anymore). Probably gone off to some far away island with a bule.

Malls, bars and clubs don't do it for me. I am simply unable to pick up in those places weird as it may sound (yes I am a real bule guy from Europe 100% white). I went to Gaja Mada Mall in Kota the other day for a stroll around that old sad mall. I noticed I was the only bule in that mall, didn; t see one other foreigner there apart from some Indians and Arabs. Got some looks there but the girls were mediocre at best, so I didn't try to engage anyone.

So not much action for me, been sleeping alone most nights. I am staying in a nice Kos in the Kuningan area and it does not help that my neighbour (an Arab guy living in Australia) has a handphone full of gorgeous girls (I saw 79) of whom one comes to visit him every night. The girls that visit him always come in their own car and he assured me they are not rich callgirls but just rich girls with either rich parents or well paying jobs, so this Arab is never paying one rupia (not even taxi money) to the girls. I seen at least 17 different girls coming to stay with him since I checked into the Kos. All of them super model quality. And here I am having just slept with 3 girls of whom 2 were very average in looks and body (bit overweight).

I hope things will pick up the next weeks but I am not really sure, DIA is not delivering, the same goes for Indo cupid. Tagged and Badoo have also not brought any new prospects the last couple of weeks.

[QUOTE=JustABule; 1425377]Been in Jakarta 2 weeks so far. I speak fluent Bahasa but I am very notorious (or famous) for not being able to pick up girls in Jakarta. So far only had 3 girls all of them from Tagged. They were ok looking, one of them was actually quite ok and I want to meet her more but after she met me 2 times she mysteriously disappeared from the face of the earth (her phone would also not be active anymore). Probably gone off to some far away island with a bule.

I hope things will pick up the next weeks but I am not really sure, DIA is not delivering, the same goes for Indo cupid. Tagged and Badoo have also not brought any new prospects the last couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]I'm mystified bro. Perhaps you should ask the Arab guy his secret. Indo Cupid, Tagged and Badoo have all delivered in spades for me, and I'm not bule. If I was, I could have had even more prospects. What your Arab neighbour is doing is perfectly feasible. Is he young and decent looking? Is that Kost the one with a rooftop lounge area near their little gym. Rasuna Icon if I remember correctly? All the same, you should have plenty of choice if you're willing to pay. To think that Jakarta could be a cewek desert for bules. The mind boggles.

MD II

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1425464]I'm mystified bro. Perhaps you should ask the Arab guy his secret. Indo Cupid, Tagged and Badoo have all delivered in spades for me, and I'm not bule. If I was, I could have had even more prospects. What your Arab neighbour is doing is perfectly feasible. Is he young and decent looking? Is that Kost the one with a rooftop lounge area near their little gym. Rasuna Icon if I remember correctly? All the same, you should have plenty of choice if you're willing to pay. To think that Jakarta could be a cewek desert for bules. The mind boggles.

MD II[/QUOTE]The Arab guy is around 46, so a couple of years older then me, apart from that I cannot judge if he is handsome or not. Yes it is indeed in the pedurenan area that kos. There are actually quite a few other bule guys staying there who seem to bring girls to their place also on a daily and sometimes even hourly basis.

I know what you mean, for a white guy Jakarta is heaven, probably even better then heaven, but for some reasons I always miss out on the girls, mabye I am too shy or not confident enough or too negative in my thinking but whatever it is, I get less girls then the average Western bloke at age 45 or over would get in his own country.

Well they say exceptions confirm the rule, so perhaps I am the (unlucky) exception that confirms the rule of law in Jakarta and the rest of Indonesia

[QUOTE=Sebans;1424128]My experience tells me that those high quality girls are nothing else than more experienced and smarter girls wearing High heels shoes becouse they know they will look to us sexyer and more expensive. So the first think I look in a girl are the shoes and 90% of the time if they wear high heels I discard them, preferring always lower quality girls and will do so in jakarta too.[/QUOTE]Good observation. Also, keep an eye on their mobile phone. If it is a iphone5 or 8 inch samsung tablet I stay the fuck away. Theones with the shitty nokia candybar phones are the ones you are going to get the least pressure from money-wise.

[quote=pikefish; 1425303]hey mates:

just so you know, weird things are happening in the north part of jakarta. multiple clubs have been raided multiple times in the last 3-4 weeks. stadium, millenium, millie's, and illegal's have all seen police and military enter and patrons were [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] tested on the spot. google this and you will find tons of newspaper reports if you don't believe me. in all cases police had people in the clubs before to look things over before starting the raid. good news is all of these raids had to do with drugs and not the "other activities" that are agaist the law. but if you fancy more than a drink just know you could find yourself in a hot mess. also, if they decide they want to extort from the foreign bule caught with his pants down, you better hope your atm card works well. no one is sure why this is happening. but be careful. so far they have not targeted places such as sun city or malio, but for now i would stay out of places where drugs are the norm.[/quote]was in millenium a few weeks ago for 3 nights in a row. i am happy they didn't test me that time.

but it has been going on for some time now (stadium was also raided by the police the end of april). maybe it's because the coming ramadam.

good advice to stay away, or be prepared to pay an "exit fee".