Rio de Janeiro Reports

I know these tips should be in the crime & safety thread but I think we all feel for ChrisDrug and hopefully he feels at least the support from his fellow mongers even if it doesn't bring the losses back. I tend to run my affairs a little differently to most of the experienced mongers, who have all given excellent advice. I don't rent apartments with safes (I'm a cheapskate!) and I slum it a lot. So for what it's worth, if this rings a bell with even a few odd people, the hand-luggage, go-native lot perhaps (?). .

[I]

(I have been robbed twice: once at VM when someone rummaged through my trousers at the end of the curtained off cubicle; and once on the street in broad daylight by three thugs who stole my phone. Total loss was about 180R plus a mobile covered by insurance. That was before I learnt to put my rolled up trousers at the pillow end of a bed, and only to walk around with a mobile that is so worthless even a thief would feel short-changed. Money couldn't buy what they bequeathed me in streetsense.) [/I]

In the space of eight years plus going to Brasil, this is my routine:-

#I use a high quality convertible backpack with a zip lining. A slashproof money wallet is padlocked to the rods under the lining that house the extendible handles. This is used for my credit cards and large notes (local and home currencies).

#I keep some medium notes, enough for 2 or 3 days, together with any other semi valuables (like a cheap camera) in a zip pocket in the main part of the backpack. The backpack is padlocked to the bed (with a steel security band going through the metal part of the backpack) , and then pushed under the bed so as not to draw attention. I lock the main backpack compartment before going out.

#Money belts are great, but I don't use them myself. They are not very helpful when I strip of in Mimosa for instance, and I don't personally think they are completely thief-proof (Nothing is, but most money belts can be emptied without undoing your trousers. It just needs one guy in front to hold your attention, and his friend behind you, if he hasn't found enough in your pockets to satisfy, just to yank it up past your belt.) Instead, I distribute money in varying amounts on my person. Loose change in an easy pocket for buses and a few bills to cover metro and sucos. Most of my pockets have zips on them anyway (try adventure travel shops). Larger notes (a few 100R) go in a hidden pocket. Some clothes have these, otherwise a few stitches and you have a hidden zip pocket inside your shirt and / or your trousers. Although it's not 100% secure, I also put money under the insoles of my trainers (my trainers are dirty to look like they are not worth stealing, even though they are Hi-tech breathable). If for some reason I have to carry a large amount of money (eg from the airport) , it goes in the legs of my trousers in pockets that can only be reached by taking the trousers off.

#My iPhone, if I bring it, is my computer. It rarely goes outside the security of my apartment.

#I make it clear to the apartment security that NO-ONE is to visit me without a phone call from reception first.

#When I have a girl in my apartment, I lock the door, hide the key (usually in an inside pocket of my trousers).

#When I go to the bathroom, I keep my trousers on. When she goes to the bathroom, I put them under the mattress. She can do what she likes in my apartment. It is pretty puta-proof. That leaves me free to be charming (unless she even mentions money up front in which case I throw her out immediately).

#When I go shopping in dumps like Copa (yes, Copa is a dump, crimewise) , I only take enough money out of my pocket to pay for what I buy with a small amount over. I know (roughly) how much is in each pocket so never have to flash. I learnt this watching an old lady sort her money out on the way into town. She had about five different places for it. In places where I need to bargain, I have a ready amount (as if my surprise) when the hand comes out the pocket. My exact bargaining amount.

#If someone looks dodgy, I assume they probably are. I'll go into a shop, take a turning, or even hightail where I came from. If someone dodgy looking suddenly gets up to alight from the bus behind me, I'll change my mind and stay on to the next stop. These measures are rare, but trust your instincts. There's nothing to 'prove' about how 'equal' you think dodgy-looking people are, or how PC or 'non-racist' you are. Just avoid them. Staying alive is superior to being right.

#If I'm on the beach (especially Copa) I assume anything that I leave unattended is fair game. Including snatchable designer sunglasses on my face, if I plan to doze. I want to go home with it again, I either sit on it or let the deckchair-renter look after it for me (I'm paying him after all).

#I am friendly when booking a strange apartment and offer / insist to read meters with the letting agent at the outset (though these days I get it all-inclusive). This saves acrimony when paying up. If I'm happy with the apartment, I pay the advance and get a written statement including dates to say the money paid includes everything.

#If there is an attempt to hijack a bus, I follow the lead of the normal Brasilians on board (has only happened once). If using a taxi, I glance at tires and whether internal controls are fixed on with sellotape. Before getting in.

#If I get lost in an unfamiliar district late at night, I keep my head down, walk with a firm steady pace, and practice my 360 degree vision without looking left or right. If very concerned about my imminent safety, I'll flag a bus down (any bus). This is done with a commanding outstretched arm, as if commanding a small child. (One doesn't 'ask' buses to stop. One 'tells' them.)

#In volatile areas, I'll avoid being near any foreigner talking in a loud voice (aka asking for trouble).

#Lastly, and most importantly, if someone is in the process of blatantly robbing me, I will let them (this is if it is past the stage where I can intervene and laugh it off as a 'misunderstanding'. Even if it wasn't). The rare exception is an unarmed puta in my apartment of course. She gets fuck all, and not even her fee till she's picked up her bag and is on the way out. The other rare exception is a monger on here who is an ex-marine or something equally scary and fights anyone. I'm not him. .

[I]This will sound over the top to most people. But I hope it might be useful for the odd person who travels light and doesn't taxi between an expensive bedsit and 4x4. All these precautions are either arranged before arriving or else become second nature quickly. It means I relax and don't worry about getting robbed, and I hope these ideas, and the other excellent ones by previous posters, will maybe save some new visitors some grief. [/I]

[QUOTE=Baggio67;1193584]Use the safe that is in the apartment. I have yet to rent an apartment without a safe. Actually, it is one of the requirements for me to rent an apartment. But then again, I haven't had any problems with the girls I have brought to my apartment. My view might be different if I had trouble with girls in the past. The other thing I do is double lock the door, so the girl can't leave unless I let her out.[/QUOTE]Double locking the door is good but they can still toss your wallet out the window to their boyfriend who is waiting outside. Your suggestion is the best, just lock everythig that is valuable inside of your safe.

[QUOTE=Chrisdrug;1193494]The gloomy part is that I followed the safety precautions. I did lock both of my suit cases and there were right next to my bed. It was my first day in that studio apartment and I couldn't find a place to hide the suitcases. She slotted in a piece of equipment, tool or a knife in between the closed zipper and opened it somehow during I was sleeping worn out by a extensive flight, and partying all day. I can`t change the past and I'm sure that puta who stole $2500 had the ride of a lifetime. However, I will be genuinely take the strategy of being 'theft-proof' in consideration during my next trip to Rio one week after Christmas, in Jan 2012. Also, I am not a newbie; this was my 13th trip in the last six years.[/QUOTE]
You were pissed, brought a Balcony-girl back home (propably without enough screening), didn't hide the key to the door, fell asleep and got robbed.
The girl took her chance and got lucky. Hopefully you have learnt a lesson.
[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1193482]Hi Sperto! Do you have a list of "prives" in Rio to share?[/QUOTE]
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=1143546&viewfull=1#post1143546

[QUOTE=Bravo;1193659]Double locking the door is good but they can still toss your wallet out the window to their boyfriend who is waiting outside. Your suggestion is the best, just lock everythig that is valuable inside of your safe.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I do. Everything is locked in the safe, I. E. Passport, money, credit cards, and wallet.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1193671]You were pissed, brought a Balcony-girl back home (probably without enough screening), didn't hide the key to the door, fell asleep and got robbed. The girl took her chance and got lucky. Hopefully you have learnt a lesson.[/QUOTE]Drunk! One of the best defenses against being robbed is not the type of lock you have on your luggage or having a safe in your room and using it. It's not getting drunk around strangers, be that people on the street or a tute in your room, even if you think you know her. Get drunk and wake up and find your cash and valuables gone, and then you're really going to know her and what she's all about. And at your expense.

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1193621]#Money belts are great, but I don't use them myself. They are not very helpful when I strip of in Mimosa for instance, and I don't personally think they are completely thief-proof (Nothing is, but most money belts can be emptied without undoing your trousers. It just needs one guy in front to hold your attention, and his friend behind you, if he hasn't found enough in your pockets to satisfy, just to yank it up past your belt.)[/QUOTE]Okay, strictly speaking it's not a money belt; Eagle Creek calls it a neck wallet: [url]http://www.eaglecreek.com/accessories/security_id/Undercover-Neck-Wallet-DLX-41128/.[/url]

IMHO it is foolproof. I have been using an earlier model of the one in the link for years. It's one of the best travel investments I've ever made. I carry everything in it: cash, credit cards, passport, and have taken it all over the world. I simply hang the strap around my neck, then tuck the wallet inside my shirt. I usually wear loose shirts, so it is very difficult to detect. I suppose a very observant would-be thief might detect its outline under my shirt, but then how is he going to get to it, other than robbing me at gunpoint, which I am not likely to let happen. (For the record, I have been robbed at gunpoint only once, but it wasn't in Rio. It was in the parking lot of a motel where I was staying in Columbia, SC, USA. In retrospect it was my own fault for not looking around before getting out of my car at 2am. The guy was later arrested and is now doing time; I wasn't his only victim. But I digress.) I avoid dark and lonely places at night, and in fact at night I usually take a taxi door to door, no matter how short the trip. You can't be too cautious. Anyway, I think you'll find the neck wallet a worthwhile investment.

Recently when I called to reserve a room at one of my favorite Love motels they informed me that they were now a HOTEL. They said my favorite suite was still available but the price had increased. Looks like this is becoming a trend.

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/09/03/de-olho-nas-olimpiadas-na-copa-moteis-passam-hospedar-turistas-925282953.asp[/url]

[QUOTE=El Greco;1193535]A simple pen inserted in between the zipper can do the trick.[/QUOTE]Because of this I travel with hard sided luggage that has TSA locks not zippers. I lock up "presents" like VS lotion, my laptop and outer valuables too large for the room safe. Then the suitcase is locked with a bicycle cable to a column in my room or the bed frame. These suitcases are expensive but very durable, even the airport luggage handlers / destroyers haven't ruined mine yet after 15 trips.

[url]http://www.luggagepros.com/rimowa-topas-titanium-27-trolley-multiwheel.shtml[/url]

Stay safe out there fellows.

RME

OK, since there is interest in this topic: I always wear a money belt when mongering in Brazil. But mine actually looks like a belt and I wear it as the actual belt in my pants. It's an inch wide and has a zipper on the inside. You can fold up a few large bills and hide them in there. I first had a leather one, but it looked too nice. Then I found a cheap-looking black one that looks like a luggage strap. No thief wants it. American Eagle is where I bought it. I also wear khakis with a pocket under the belt line, which is just big enough for credit cards. Eddie Bauer has good ones. Then I make sure that I have a really old wallet with me. This wallet contains small change and a few small bills, nothing else. When I get robbed, the thieves are welcome to take this. You HAVE to have something that muggers can easily find during a holdup, because you want them to conclude their search quickly. Nobody believes that you have nothing on you, and they will keep searching, which can quickly become quite uncomfortable.

All three techniques worked splendidly when I got held up at knifepoint by several thugs. (Happened a few years ago, and I posted this on the board.) The thieves got away with a few reais and my crummy old wallet. The only thing of real value in there was a phone number I had scored from a terma girl the night before. The $500 in my money belt and my 2 credit cards went undetected.

I don't like money belts etc. I use a small simple leather pouch with a zip. Big enough for money, condoms and a small pen (for taking phone numbers). I attach a small string to the pouch and tie it to my underwear and put in down in my underwear. Nobody can see I'm wearing it. I never had any problems at all, not even in the carnivals in Salvador. As it's tied to my underwear it's very hard to loose it.

When I need to use the pouch I don't have to stick my hand down in the underwear, I just grab the string and pull it up.

P. S It works with underwear like briefs and not with loose boxer-shorts.

cartman's favourite line for when dealing with a gdp is question: "how do you know a gdp is lying" answer: "her lips are moving". ie just can't believe anything they say.

background:

i like to give most girls the benefit of the doubt. i like to have mini relationships with them, in that they can come over a couple of days a week, maybe get the odd perfume as a gift, taken out to nice restaurants etc but no cash. i am picky with the girls i like to have these mini relationships with. they generally must be new to the industry so they are not too hard core and generally be doing something with their lives. students that work at prives with no kids are the best for this. preferably that don't live at home. i really screen the hell out of them because i really don't want hassles where i live. i have actually have never had anything stolen from me in 8 years of visiting / living in brazil. so i guess screening is the best prevention.

the story:

4 months ago i saw a relatively new girl at a well known prive often mentioned here. i saw her a few times at the prive, then she invited herself over to my place a couple of times but i just wasn't in to it. she still would call me up from time to time and tell me how much she was into me (see first sentence above) and very occasionally we would see each other. i was seeing some other girl from another prive, so didn't want to juggle too much. any guy that can juggle more than 2 girls at the same time i tip my hat off to you, i find it way too time consuming and stressful. so anyway, the girl i was seeing finally realised that she was in a dead end relationship with me and bailed. didn't bother me because it was getting really hard to fake that i was still into her. so i go and see this chic at the prive, haven't seen her for about 6 weeks. she was a 7 1/2 i guess, but in the last 6 weeks has learned how to really groom herself and has started to go to the gym and has firmed / bulked up. short of the story she is now a strong 8 1/2! really stunning now. my interest level goes up significantly. she tells me how much she is still into me and we set a date during the week. she comes over, everything is cool etc, no cash passes hands.

now at this prive i know most of the girls stories, most have boyfriends, the boyfriends don't know that they work there. they love to gossip and inadvertantly tell me each others secrets. if their boyfriends find out they tell their boyfriends they will quit, although they may quit for a week or 2, they usually return. they tend to learn to lie to survive. so through the grape vine i find out the girl that has just come over has a new boyfriend of about 6 weeks. this i find amusing because she has been calling me at least once a week to chat and make plans to hook up, always telling me of course how much she is in to me. so i think she is not so much into him. i think i can become number 1 and he will settle into the number 2 role. the number 2 role sucks btw! they cancel on you all the time, you only get to see them for quickies every now and again, while number 1 gets the 2 or 3 night sleep overs per week, first scheduling etc.

so we make plans again to see each other around lunch time at my place. i know she is in the area around this time but she doesn't come over until about 6pm. i get to thinking there is a reason for this and i gently tell her that i know she has a new boyfriend and just gently prod out what the situation is. she swears to me that she had a boyfriend, but they broke up 2 weeks ago and that she doesn't like him anymore and in fact he is causing some issues for her. in short she says she wants to be with me etc. being a the overly analytical person that i am, i go over all the facts in my head and there are a couple of issues that don't add up. i don't say anything. i believe in the "give them enough rope" and they will hang themselves theory. usually ex boyfriends in brazil linger. for a long time. the girls never completely let go until they have another better prospect well hooked up.

so we make plans to hook up again on the weekend, these plans don't work out, she gives some bullshit excuse. i gently do some digging, some more analytical work and come to the conclusion that there is a 90% chance she is still with the ex / current boyfriend. this concerns me in that it looks like i am being put into the number 2 role and boyfriend is number 1. as i said above, number 2 sux!

when we finally hook up i basically say, look i have been around the block a few times, i know you still are seeing your boyfriend and that's cool. just don't lie to me, i m happy just seeing you occasionally and see what works out with your boyfriend but just don't lie to me. i tell her how i know she is still with him, it is very very hard to deny proof like this, but she sticks to her lies (i have 100% proof she is still seeing him but guard this at this time). at this point i have basically decided she is not trustworthy enough to come over anymore so i just play it cool, shoot my load in her mouth and make my way home. she sends me a text msg saying how concerned she is that i think that she is lying and that really she is telling the truth. i just couldn't take it anymore, i send her the last little bit of proof i had been guarding via text. it was the knock out blow. 100% proof she had been caught in her lie. no reply to the text, nothing and this was 3 days ago. i won't send her another message but am thinking will get something from her in a week or so, will be interesting to see what she says."to be continued"

Nice to finally meet you Sir, anytime you are in town let me know.

Cheers BB

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1193853]I don't like money belts etc. I use a small simple leather pouch with a zip. Big enough for money, condoms and a small pen (for taking phone numbers). I attach a small string to the pouch and tie it to my underwear and put in down in my underwear. Nobody can see I'm wearing it. I never had any problems at all, not even in the carnivals in Salvador. As it's tied to my underwear it's very hard to loose it.

When I need to use the pouch I don't have to stick my hand down in the underwear, I just grab the string and pull it up.

P. S It works with underwear like briefs and not with loose boxer-shorts.[/QUOTE]The additional benefit is that this pouch can really make you look "hung". I like it!

i had begun to feel sick the evening before, and when i woke up on sunday i felt really bad. i went for lunch at cervantes (in copa, near the tunnel to rio sul shopping) , had my customary filet mignon sandwich with cheese and pineapple. temporarily this made me feel better, and i began heading for terma l'uomo. before i got there, though, i started to feel really week and dizzy. clearly i had a fever and the early stages of a bronchitis. (happens to many of us while our immune system has to adjust to the local mix of bacteria and viruses.) so i did the only reasonable thing that one can do in this situation: i went to a drogeria, got myself 800 mg of ibuprofen for heavy-duty medication and soldered on bravely. at 4 pm i took the familiar escalator up to l'uomo. on that escalator i also ran into my new best friend, a gentlemen who i had met the evening before at mc. i had told him about our board, and he decided to join. i forgot what handle he told me he was creating; so let's just call him k, and we were each other's wingman for the day. he is a great guy, and having a male buddy at a terma adds greatly to the experience. from the stories he shared with me, he will be a great addition to the board.

l'uomo has been criticized a lot recently, but today it was like the l'uomo of old. lots ( 25) of good looking girls, who were not bored at all, because there were a lot of guys (15-20) around. perfect ratio, and the place was alive. after a nice hot shower, and with my medication kicking in, i felt great with the familiar tingle of anticipation. k and i made our choices pretty quickly, and we started to settle in into the familiar kissing, groping, drinking routine. his choice was elli, a really fun girl, who is a slight bit heavier than average. she has a great smile and is fun to be around. i might give her a spin next time. for tonight i had selected agatha, and she was perfect. a little mulatta spinner with flawless skin and teeth, who likes to dance samba and is just a great person to be around. at their best, the top terma girls can make you feel like they are the best girlfriend you could possibly have. serviço completo! agatha rose to that rank. agata's friend [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] hung out with us off and on. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] looks great, her body is more toned than last year. (she remembered our session.) there was also the remarkably pretty blonde little spinner angel, who hung out with us. i would also do her in a heartbeat, too. her english is excellent. her day job is owning a hair salon, where some of the other girls get their hair done. and then she moonlights at l'uomo. i love this city!

i have had several really good and even excellent sessions on this trip, but the one with agatha beat all of them by a wide margin. it's the kind of session that makes your heart ache when you have to leave. it was a good thing that i had only 4 hours at l'uomo before i had to catch a flight. now i have 4 days to cool off before i return to rio. otherwise it might have gotten a lot more serious. prives are much better for just sex, and 4x4 is the best terma for it rowdy atmosphere and strip shows. but sometime i like to get a little more out of my encounters and get so close to the flame that it starts to burn a bit. then l'uomo is still my number 1 choice.

On Saturday the centro places are closed; so our ground zero shifts to Tijuca on that day. After some souvenir shopping, we were on our way by 3:30 in the afternoon. Tijuca is actually a beautiful middle-class part of Rio with nice little suco bars and corner bakeries. It is also near Maracana. We first hit Tigresas, then Anne Massagem, and finally Massagem Tijuca. We took the car, but one can do at least the first two stops very safely by using the Metro and getting off at the Saens Pena station. Exit the metro and take Rua General Roca. At that corner is Galeta Formula II, where you can grab a quick pastrie and a suco. They press their sugar cane juice freshly. Highly recommended! About 500 m of hoofing up Rua General Roca gets you first to number 340 on the left side of the street (Tigresas) , and just a bit further up to number 263 (Anne) on the right side. Each of these places set you back 60R for 40 minutes and 80 or 90 for the hour. No entrance fee, no drinks to buy. Very economic!

[b]Tigresas[/b]

[url]http://www.tigresastijucanas.com[/url]

Finding the entrance is not for the faint-hearted, because you have to get inside a car service station / parking garage and walk up a small set of stairs to get to number 14 on the first floor. My wingman swears by their quality, but I am not able to say either way. As with all privates, you either reserve a girl ahead of time (if you are a regular) , or you take your chances with how busy it is right then. Well, no luck for us. They only had two girls available, and since my wingman knew that one of them was no good, we moved on. But still, it's a place worth checking while you are in the neighborhood.

[b]Anne Massagem[/b]

[url]http://www.annemassagens.com.br/home.html[/url]

Jackpot! Best prive of this trip, perhaps the best that I know. The entrance is from the street, next to yet another corner bakery. You walk up halfway to a metal gate, and after ringing the bell they buzz you in. The madam was wearing a white lab coat, and pretty much all of the girls were wearing some variant of white bikinis. Made it look very 'clinica'. The rooms even have real massage tables. Their rooms are better than any terma's basic room, with nice big beds with CLEAN sheets, with air conditioning, and with a shower. They also take privacy real serious here, making sure that different male customers don't see each other. I had some time to kill while waiting for my wingman to finish the deed; so I waited on their sofa in the reception. When another guy was buzzed in, they actually put a screen in front of me so that we could not see each other. Nice attention to detail.

The lineup consisted of about 7 or 8 girls, and I picked Michelle, who is kinda petite and has a very pretty face. Just my luck: this was Michelle's first day on the job. She was nervous as hell. And she was so inexperienced that I have to go back to my teenage years to find another example like her. Somebody must have told her what basics to cover, and she checked off one after the other: Make man lay on his back, rub breasts over his chest, lick ball, suck dick, sit one his face and let him eat pussy. All of that took less than a minute. About as erotic as watching a debate on CSPAN! OK, this was not going to be easy. I tried her to get to relax, but I never succeeded. She continued to apologize and, just like a really bad ballroom dancer, never found any rhythm. I gamely finished my 40 minutes and forced out a shot on goal. But still, she is a very sweet girl, and she will acquire the basic skills and learn to relax. My wingman wants to hit her next Saturday, and I bet that she will already be a lot better by then.

[b]Massagem Tijuca[/b]

[url]http://www.massagemtijuca.com.br/[/url]


I reported on this place before, for example here:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=1118724#post1118724[/url]

This time I picked Bruna, who is perhaps a bit heavier than my usual sweet spot. But she somehow oozed sex to me during intros; so I decided to have a go with her. Plus, here and there it is good exercise to punch above one's weight, as the boxers say. My wingman recommended Amber instead, which both of us had picked during our first visit last year. She was not in the original lineup, but when we saw her I already had closed the Bruna deal, and I felt like I was a swine to back out and switch at that time. Man, am I glad I stuck with Bruna. Sometimes those bigger girls want to have big fun, and this was such an occasion. Terrifically enjoyable session of 40 minutes of raw horny-as-hell sex. Talk about rhythm: with her I felt like we had been lambada partners for a decade. She came twice, and the second time I felt it building up in her at least a couple of minutes before it happened. This was enough to take me along with her. Most girls end with the question if everything was ok, but when she asked me in the end, she had the really proud smile on her face. 'How do you like them apples, honey? ' She was really proud of the product she had just delivered. Actually, so was I.

Off to dinner we went. Temperarte is a terrific kilo place, located on Rua Boivar. 42B. It's almost at Av. N. S. Copacabana, across from the last remaining Cineplex in Copa. They also have an all-you–can-eat deal for R25.

[url]www.temperarte.com.br[/url]

Then we hit Monte Carlo. We entered at 9, had a great time, and left at 1:30 am. I did not session, but the entrance (80R) and drinks still set me back R150. Expensive! Earlier in the day I had two 40-minutes session and a great dinner, all for less than what I left at Monte Carlo. Girl lineup was excellent, though, I have to admit. And there was a great party atmosphere. Unfortunately, by the time we made up our mind to take a girl to the room, the pickings were really slim. Note to self: get started locking up a girl at 10 or so. Next time.

We then made one more run to Masaico. Tonight the entrance was only R10 and included one beer. But the atmosphere was not as great as the night before. We left without doing the deed, and I was in bed at 3 am. All in all not a bad day. Travelerb69 would not be able to join me on the next day, and we bid good bye. Until next time! (Traverb69 and I will have overlap in Germany in January; and I am already looking forward to hanging with him again.)