Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1103149]Me likes them chicas. Hey Uktraveler, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] SavePros321 off some more so he can post some more of these lovely lady pics.

FYI Uktraveler DR1 is probably the most informative message board for general DR information. Although DR1 may not be able to tell you which chica swallows it can guide you around the island with a ton of info. DR1 has several posters who live in the Sosua area on a daily basis for years. Who else can give you first hand info? Surely not a guy who makes one or two trips a year. [/QUOTE]I've actually done 3 trips this year. I was going to do a fourth one, but according to UK Traveler:

[QUOTE=Uktraveler;1103118]...Sousa is dead and finished. End of story![/QUOTE]So I decided to save my money until it comes back to life, LOL!

P. S. It is quite possible that he is the only one in ALL of DR right now not getting ANY action. Which is probably why he wants to beat me up (no pun intended).

FELIZ NAVIDAD OTRA VEZ!

Maybe I can put a little perspective on this debate.

On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene. Chicas everywhere, elbow to elbow and all smiling at me, not too aggressive. Music everywhere, bars open to the street, ash trays on every table and in every hotel and restaurant, no apparent police presence, no pimping as far as I could see.

As I said at the time, I was in heaven. I didn't know who to choose first, so many beautiful chicas and so little time (1 week).

I was king so it easy to pick a smart part timer from out of town, for fun and conversation and when she went home, the first couple nights, I nailed a beauty that used to just sit close by waiting for my new novia to go home. It was so easy and my hotel (Casa Valeria) was literally accross the street.

In 8 trips since to meet my novia, including a trip with my buddy, I have seen a steady decline in the number and quality of girls available, and also their attitude. What seemed like a fun way to make money to them has turned more to a kind of desparation. Less fun and more work for sure.

I still go to Sosua every chance I get (Jan 6 next) , but I could NEVER replicate those first few nights in heaven, and I was not able to show my buddy, the same great experience I had, and I know I could never chance on a relationship like the one I was lucky enough to get my first time out.

Now I have local family and friends down there, and we have a ball:

But, I'm not sure Sosua now, would be recommendation, for a first time monger.

Shame!

I see new hotels (Terra Linda, and the place just up and across the street) being built. New updcale condos (Infinity Blu, etc) Even new upscale bars (Rhumba). Major renovations (Casa Marina).

Seems to me that a small town with a great beach and local color (10 minutes from the airport) could turn into a desrable alternative as a vacation spot to big city Puerto Plata, which is so spread out, with it's traffic, and relatively isolated resort compounds.

I can see a cute theme styled little town, like in California or the ski resorts, with pedestrian malls, high end boutiques and shops and yet retaining real Dominican culture, local music food and drink, festivals, carnivals etc.

I see serious investment money to be made, but first:

They have to get rid of guys like me who just want to drink, smoke, and f*k the whole week, and the hordes of Dominican and Haitiuan street putas who serve their needs.

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1103238]Maybe I can put a little perspective on this debate.

On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene. Chicas everywhere, elbow to elbow and all smiling at me, not too aggressive. Music everywhere, bars open to the street, ash trays on every table and in every hotel and restaurant, no apparent police presence, no pimping as far as I could see.

As I said at the time, I was in heaven. I didn't know who to choose first, so many beautiful chicas and so little time (1 week).

I was king so it easy to pick a smart part timer from out of town, for fun and conversation and when she went home, the first couple nights, I nailed a beauty that used to just sit close by waiting for my new novia to go home. It was so easy and my hotel (Casa Valeria) was literally accross the street.

In 8 trips since to meet my novia, including a trip with my buddy, I have seen a steady decline in the number and quality of girls available, and also their attitude. What seemed like a fun way to make money to them has turned more to a kind of desparation. Less fun and more work for sure.

I still go to Sosua every chance I get (Jan 6 next) , but I could NEVER replicate those first few nights in heaven, and I was not able to show my buddy, the same great experience I had, and I know I could never chance on a relationship like the one I was lucky enough to get my first time out.

Now I have local family and friends down there, and we have a ball:

But, I'm not sure Sosua now, would be recommendation, for a first time monger.

Shame! [/QUOTE]I think this reflects most people's experience. Note, if you will, that nearly all the single guys who retire and go to live in the DR soon end getting nailed by a novia, with occasional infidelities on the side when the occasion presents.

They don't continue for long getting a different girl or two for sex every day, because once you have all the sex you want with a beautiful woman, you start to lose a bit of interest in skirt chasing and become more interested in relationships.

A lot of guys, when they first go to the DR, have pretty much given up on relationships, but have realized that they have enough money to have sex with hot young women ad lib. However, when they get to the DR they find that relationships are still a possibility and that they are in fact very much in demand.

Once they are novia-ated it is as if they have UNDER CONTRACT signs posted on their heads, and therefore other potential novias tend to steer clear.

Even on a trip to Sosua, the first day tends to be the most exciting, and then each successive day a bit less thrilling until you reach the point that you are ready to go home.

I don't think the chica population changes much over the weeks, months, or even years. It is more that your perspective and perceptions change over time and experience. I think also that as your Spanish improves and you spend more time in the company of chicas you get a much better idea of what is going on in their little heads, so you idealize them less.

Anway, it is all good clean fun and provides rejuvenation therapy for men that is cheaper than plastic surgery.

That's an interesting observation Frannie. In my travels, it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days"). I've observed this in Brasil, Thailand, Colombia, the DR, Cuba, Argentina, etc. In fact, I'm guilty of saying this myself about Rio. When I started going in 2000, it seemed so much better (it is a fact that it was much cheaper).

Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place.

[QUOTE=Combo;1103315]..........it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days")...........[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Combo;1103315]............Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place.[/QUOTE]So true, that is why Sosua today will be just as exciting to a newbie as it was to a Sosua newbie ten years ago.

[QUOTE=Combo; 1103315]That's an interesting observation Frannie. In my travels, it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days"). I've observed this in Brasil, Thailand, Colombia, the DR, Cuba, Argentina, etc. In fact, I'm guilty of saying this myself about Rio. When I started going in 2000, it seemed so much better (it is a fact that it was much cheaper).

Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place. [/QUOTE]Good post Combo. Most things new are usually exciting, its that thrill of the unknown and its fresh. After repeated visits everything in Sosua usually repeats itself. We tend to get bored and judge mental. After several trips consecutively to the DR my family asked"why don't you try some place new" I thought they were crazy. Well after Medellin now I'm going to Bogata and Carucao because its that new adventure I crave.

Thats why this "Sosua crackdown" has no affect on me. Colombia is wide open to be discovered and the DR is also when you realise there is more than just Sosua. You are correct that the mongerers attitude changes.

As far as guys getting wifed up and wanting a realtionship as Frannie says, its only temporary (Hes married to a Dominicana but fucks his co-workers). There is way to much pussy in the DR for this faithfullness to last. Especially in a culture that accepts the fact that its okay for a guy to sneak to a cabana with a young cutie. The relationship is the front but we never fully give up mongering (its addictive and non commital). Sure some guys crave that ultimate one on one relationship, but after traveling and fucking how do you hang up your drawers and retire with just one? Are you being honest with yourself? Or are you just caught up in the moment? I will never get married because I'm honest with myself. (1) I like new pussy (2) I will never trust a girl that much (3) she leaves with half (4) my kids are my only heirs, not new pussy (5) I like solo travel.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1103326]So true, that is why Sosua today will be just as exciting to a newbie as it was to a Sosua newbie ten years ago.[/QUOTE]Not too sure I agree 100% with that Bq.

Frannie makes some good points about becoming jaded over time, and while that is the human condition, I tried to stay objective.

After my first few trips I had no hesitation in telling my buddies it was a guaranteed good mongering time. Now I can't say that because of the changes in Sosua, not me.

Don't get me wrong, the action is still there, and I enjoy it, but the freeedom for everybody to do what they want, when and where they want is gradually being taken away.

What with trying to put curtains and windows on the open air bars, and getting the bar be que chicken stands off the streets, it will be soon more like Amsterdam.

Browsing the bars from the street (and vice versa) was half the fun.

Oakie my first trip to Sosua was 2005. Before you made your first trip to Sosua as far as I was concerned Sosua was finished and was not like it was "back in the day".

[QUOTE=Oakie;1103238]........On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene........[/QUOTE]You arrive in 2008 as fresh Sosua meat and see the town entirely different, you are a newbie. My first trip to Boca Chica was after the glory days as reported by the vets. Being a BC newbie I still found BC a nice alternative.

I still say once the dust settles Sosua will continue to be an exciting place for newbies. I have long outgrown Sosua and find Santo Domingo to be my cup of tea. But I also know Santo Domingo would not fit the bill for the party, party, party minded traveler.

A new person to Sosua can't miss what they never had.

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1103339]Not too sure I agree 100% with that Bq.

Frannie makes some good points about becoming jaded over time, and while that is the human condition, I tried to stay objective.

After my first few trips I had no hesitation in telling my buddies it was a guaranteed good mongering time. Now I can't say that because of the changes in Sosua, not me.

Don't get me wrong, the action is still there, and I enjoy it, but the freeedom for everybody to do what they want, when and where they want is gradually being taken away.

What with trying to put curtains and windows on the open air bars, and getting the bar be que chicken stands off the streets, it will be soon more like Amsterdam.

Browsing the bars from the street (and vice versa) was half the fun. [/QUOTE]

I agree, Sosua is changing. I have been going there for about 6 years and just go back last week. I still had a great time and there were plenty of chicas to be had. My favorite place right now is Cartagena, its more money but I prefer the late night partying. Start about midnight and roll in at 6am. But I still visit Sosua / PP at least once a year. Always have a blast.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1103343]Oakie my first trip to Sosua was 2005. Before you made your first trip to Sosua as far as I was concerned Sosua was finished and was not like it was "back in the day".

You arrive in 2008 as fresh Sosua meat and see the town entirely different, you are a newbie. My first trip to Boca Chica was after the glory days as reported by the vets. Being a BC newbie I still found BC a nice alternative.

I still say once the dust settles Sosua will continue to be an exciting place for newbies. I have long outgrown Sosua and find Santo Domingo to be my cup of tea. But I also know Santo Domingo would not fit the bill for the party, party, party minded traveler.

A new person to Sosua can't miss what they never had. [/QUOTE]

"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.

The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1103425]"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.

The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."[/QUOTE]Nice honest plain and simple "on the front line report" I knew it would be blown out of proportion. I mean how do you get rid of 10k putas just like that? I don't care where you are, where's there's an abundance of male tourists, there will always be pay for play. Thanks for this.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1103425]"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.

The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."[/QUOTE]So, I think we can agree that Sosua is changing, and it's not just my jaded perception after all.

Damn if I wanted to stay up all night and frequent noisy clubs, I could stay home in my own city. I don't want to work at it on my vacation. I don't see well in the dark anyway, and lord knows what kind of body hides under that disco gear.

I just want to sit in the corner bar in the late afternoon and select my dream girl from the literally hundreds who parade a few feet from me. I can see how they walk, how they dress, what their bodies are like, pick my dream, and be back in the same bar in an hour waiting for my novia. I'll be in bed by 10 and wake up with no hangover and a beautiful chica waking me up with coffee. That's healthy.

I'm just lazy, I guess, but what's a vacation for anyway?

When I get home, I don't need a few days off work to get over my trip. I'm ready to go, and looking at the calendar again.

At least, that's how it used to be.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1103425]"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.

The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."[/QUOTE]But, I am happy to report that Thursday was the best night on PC since the bottom was reached, after Dec. 3!

So the cheap days are over in the North Coast. Well its good and bad, the place needed a clean-up to be frank and that includes the workers and to some degree the clients. As always money wins in every way. The DR's tourist bureau and politico / investors wanted more foreign money and that money is not from $30 hotels and $2 tacos; its from All inclusive 5- 7 day vacations that go for $2-3K for a family of four, so the math works to promote that tourism, it has turned Punta Cana and for that matter Cancun into world class destinations, when 30 years ago they were small fishing towns.

So the choices are my friends to "lurk' in the dark and wait till midnite to get any action or put up some cash and pay places like DRnights, Oxygen Retreat and so-on for ease and stress free vacationing. I don't see any other options unless your willing to explore the small towns of the DR and hunt, but with hunting that would require a lot of time spent and perhaps time wasted.

Just my two cents.