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[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I watched "Hores Glory with a W at the front" and its good! Problem is, prices seem to be exorbitant. Are those true prices?[/QUOTE]In June I visited Nataree that has considerably more attractive girls than High Class, the soapy featured in the documentary. I paid 2300 for a very pretty young girl from Chiang Rai. The fishbowl girls were 1700 as I recall. The most expensive model category girls and the very, very young highly prized by some girls were 5000. I gave the girl a 500 baht tip, so she cost about what a hard core 3-hole girl at one of the oilies would cost. What she lacked in raunchiness she made up for with innocence, charm and beauty.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I have read the forum in length, but some things just linger and aren't answered in my view. If you like to answer that's great, if not, not a big deal.

I have come across these websites that offer their experiences: [URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/travel.html[/URL].

And this one that shows cost of living: [URL]http://www.into-asia.com/thailand/costs.php[/URL].

How accurate is this? I deem it pretty good.

Now for my questions:

I hear toilets / restrooms are hard to come by and a person needs to carry TP (toilet paper) around and or the toilets are not like that in the USA and are just holes in the ground (like Russia). True, not true? Not much data out there on this.

I gather that the beaches are not swim worthy, contaminated (sewage) or at least deemed by the natives as dirty. True?

I watched "Hores Glory with a W at the front" and its good! Problem is, prices seem to be exorbitant. Are those true prices?

Also, you regular posters on here, do you live in Thailand? Part-time or full time? Married, GF? Or longtime single? Stateside?[/QUOTE]TTT.

Dude, what you hear, surmise, gather or have watched is simply inaccurate. Both BKK and RU are not as elementary as you are suggesting. Both areas offer pussy o plenty, great value and yes even real bathrooms with toilet paper. Been there and have done both areas many times.

Get your ass out of Vegas and go experience life outside of sex prison (USA) and have a great time. If you have read the forums at "great length" it's all laid out in front of you. No one is going to spoon feed you. Biggest problem you face is not wanting to go home.

Enjoy the experience.

Guido88.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I gather that the beaches are not swim worthy, contaminated (sewage) or at least deemed by the natives as dirty. True?[/QUOTE]Where did you gather that? Generally I prefer less developed Filipino Beaches, but Thailand has some amazing beaches down South. Pattaya Beach is the polluted one. Check out the TravelFish web site: [URL]http://www.travelfish.org/islands.php[/URL].

And next time do just a little research before you ask truly uninformed "stupid" questions.

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I watched "Hores Glory with a W at the front" and its good! Problem is, prices seem to be exorbitant. Are those true prices?[/QUOTE]If memory serves, the price was 1800bt for the top level girls and 1400bt for entry level girls at that parlor in the movie. Nowadays (the movie was made in 2011) the price is anywhere from 1800bt to 6000bt depending on the girl, her classification, and the particular Soapie. The Soapies I frequent are higher quality than the one in the movie. Sukhumvit FL's are still around 1000bt and of course you can find FL girls in Chinatown for 500bt. It is up to you.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]
I hear toilets / restrooms are hard to come by and a person needs to carry TP (toilet paper) around and or the toilets are not like that in the USA and are just holes in the ground (like Russia). True, not true? Not much data out there on this.
[/QUOTE]I'll tackle this, as there really isn't a lot of info on it.

All the malls have western toilets. Some, like MBK, you'll need to gather your paper from the dispenser at the door. Others, like Terminal 21, are first class toilets as you'd find in the USA. Your hotel will have a western style toilet. Almost all gas stations will have both styles, but I have encountered exceptions. Most restaurants have western toilets. The more rural you get the more you'll encounter the squat toilet. In many cases you'll see a large bucket or cistern of water next to the toilet, with a scoop of some sort floating in it. This is used to "flush" the toilet. Do so by pouring in a few ladles of water. Often the toilets aren't hooked to running water. You'll see this more in small restaurants, private homes, etc.

Now almost all western toilets you encounter will also be equipped with the "bum gun. " That's a kitchen-sink-style sprayer to assist you with hygiene. Personally, I found it takes a lot of practice to keep from soaking your ass, yourself and half the bathroom. But I'm a klutz.

So, the short answer is to take along your own TP or a packet of Kleenex, just in case. Personally, I prefer a portable pack of flushable baby wipes. Much handier than TP.

Bathrooms, themselves, aren't too hard to come by. There are no facilities in the Skytrain or MRT stations. All malls have them. All restaurants and bars have them, but you may need to be a customer. All first class hotels have them in the lobby.

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I gather that the beaches are not swim worthy, contaminated (sewage) or at least deemed by the natives as dirty. True?[/QUOTE]While it's true that Pattaya City beach is not the cleanest in Thailand, Jomtien Beach is just a Baht Bus ride to the south and will get you to much a much cleaner beach experience. Also, Koh Larn island is just a short ferry boat ride away from the Bali Hai pier for 20 baht and the beaches there are pristine.

Thanks Phordphan, Daddy, Natty, Wolvenvacht, Guido88 and others. To have answered just a couple of questions that I asked.

FL= FreeLancers (pretty sure).

LD = Lady Drinks.

In your experiences, do you think Thai women are more likely to let you take pics / video of the act / of them or is it like anywhere else, depending on the girl?

In Chinatown, are the FLs / bargirls Chinese or Thai? Seems somebody commented that the girls in this area are cheaper.

As far as other items: beach water dispute is "clear" to me, toilets are a grey area. LOL. Now the obvious scams are a reminder to me to watch out with taxis meters, Tuk Tuks, jet skis, jewelry, Rolex watches, silk suits, barfines, ladydrinks (LD).

Food seems to be very cheap, but I'm a USA steak and potatoes guy, my fear is getting the runs (had that in Mexico once) and I only know Panda Express in the states (limited Chinese food), so I guess I can go to the McDonalds and Subways, & 7 Elevens of Thailand to be happy with the food. I won't eat the bugs, the lizards or cow balls or anything "crazy" like that, I suppose they have decent food correct? I have never eaten Thai or the food!

I researched the currency, so the denominations are.

$1,000, $500, $100, $50, $20 in bill forms.

Lesser denominations in coins are: 25 Satang, 50 Satang, 1 Baht, 2 Baht, 5 Baht, 10 Baht.

[URL]http://static.asiawebdirect.com/m/bangkok/portals/bangkok-com/homepage/magazine/10-ways-to-spot-foreigner/allParagraphs/09/image/thai-banknotes.jpg[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nstravel.com/image/upload/THcurren_exposure.gif[/URL]

Since the weather is tropical (going in Feb) shorts are the standard dress, pants too? Are there dress codes in some places? Seems like Jan and Feb would be out of the rainy season, so a light jacket I suppose.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]Thanks Phordphan, Daddy, Natty, Wolvenvacht, Guido88 and others. To have answered just a couple of questions that I asked.

FL= FreeLancers (pretty sure).

LD = Lady Drinks.

In your experiences, do you think Thai women are more likely to let you take pics / video of the act / of them or is it like anywhere else, depending on the girl?

In Chinatown, are the FLs / bargirls Chinese or Thai? Seems somebody commented that the girls in this area are cheaper.

As far as other items: beach water dispute is "clear" to me, toilets are a grey area. LOL. Now the obvious scams are a reminder to me to watch out with taxis meters, Tuk Tuks, jet skis, jewelry, Rolex watches, silk suits, barfines, ladydrinks (LD).

Food seems to be very cheap, but I'm a USA steak and potatoes guy, my fear is getting the runs (had that in Mexico once) and I only know Panda Express in the states (limited Chinese food), so I guess I can go to the McDonalds and Subways, & 7 Elevens of Thailand to be happy with the food. I won't eat the bugs, the lizards or cow balls or anything "crazy" like that, I suppose they have decent food correct? I have never eaten Thai or the food!

I researched the currency, so the denominations are.

$1,000, $500, $100, $50, $20 in bill forms.

Lesser denominations in coins are: 25 Satang, 50 Satang, 1 Baht, 2 Baht, 5 Baht, 10 Baht.

[URL]http://static.asiawebdirect.com/m/bangkok/portals/bangkok-com/homepage/magazine/10-ways-to-spot-foreigner/allParagraphs/09/image/thai-banknotes.jpg[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nstravel.com/image/upload/THcurren_exposure.gif[/URL]

Since the weather is tropical (going in Feb) shorts are the standard dress, pants too? Are there dress codes in some places? Seems like Jan and Feb would be out of the rainy season, so a light jacket I suppose.[/QUOTE]Yes, LD is a Lady Drink, FL is a freelancer. BF is a bar fine, LB is a ladyboy.

With the popularity of social media, etc. , fewer and fewer girls will let you take naughty pix. Most Asians love to have their pic taken while out and about, and the bar girls are no exception.

Hunting the back streets of Chinatown is something for a more seasoned veteran. Leave something for another trip. Trust me.

As a newbie you will not be able to spot a "fixed" meter in a taxi. Don't worry about it. They are still much cheaper than Vegas, that's for sure. As far as other scams go, the rule of thumb is this: Does this offer prey on my greed? If the answer is yes, it's a scam. So, bargain jewels, card games, "special deals due to Buddhist holiday," etc. , all depend on your greed and are all scams. Don't bother with jetskis.

If you darken the door of McD's, or Subway, I'll personally fly to BKK and cut off your nuts with a rusty knife. Thailand has, by far, the best street food in the world. The variety is incredible. I've eaten off the street since 1999 and have never become sick. I've eaten in many very modest restaurants, boasting some of the very best Thai food I've ever eaten, and never become sick. Rule of thumb: eat in places popular with LOCALS. Avoid places where tourists eat. First, you'll pay way too much at the touristy places. But most importantly is that places that cater to tourists are catering to a bunch of people who will never be back. If they poison a couple, who cares? But Somchai, who runs the local som tam cart, has to depend on the locals for his livelihood. If his customers start coming down with the Hershey squirts, he'll be out of business quick smart, and perhaps have a few bruises for his trouble. You will run into spicy food when eating in local places. Man up, don't be a pussy, and eat it. You'll get used to it. Decent food? Try one of the most interesting and varied cuisines on the planet.

As a noob, go over to East Fremont and eat in that dinky Thai hole in the wall. I forgot the name. It's more or less across the street from Beauty Bar. Popular with hipsters. It's been a bit dumbed down for the western palate, and it's overpriced, but it's a good place to get your feet wet.

You'll never see a sateng coin unless you buy stuff at the market.

If you enjoy looking like a tourist, by all means wear shorts and a t-shirt in Bangkok. A backwards baseball cap completes the ensemble. (If you must dress like this, please also wear sandals with black socks. That way they'll think you're German and not American) If you want to look like a moderately sane adult, wear long pants. I'll get grief for saying this. But in most countries adults do not wear shorts. In Thailand only manual laborers and very poor men wear shorts. The exception is the beach. However, the same fate awaits your nuts if you walk around Pattaya in a Speedo. LOL.

The more expensive places will have some sort of dress code. The five star hotels by the river (Oriental for one) do not allow shorts after 5:00 pm.

That time of year the highs will generally be in the low 90's, lows in the low 70's. Personally, I wouldn't bother with a jacket.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]Thanks Phordphan, Daddy, Natty, Wolvenvacht, Guido88 and others. To have answered just a couple of questions that I asked.

FL= FreeLancers (pretty sure).

LD = Lady Drinks.

In your experiences, do you think Thai women are more likely to let you take pics / video of the act / of them or is it like anywhere else, depending on the girl?[/QUOTE]I have never been able to convince a Thai girl to allow me to take nude pictures of her. But that says probably more about my negotiation skills than it says about anything else. My guess is that in the end, it is depending on the girl.

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In Chinatown, are the FLs / bargirls Chinese or Thai? Seems somebody commented that the girls in this area are cheaper.[/QUOTE]I have no idea. There are many Thai-Chinese mixed people, so it is difficult to tell. One word of warning: as a newbie, I would not go there. English language skills are rather poor in that area, so it is unlikely you will get serviced there unless you speak some Thai or Chinese. That area is really geared towards the locals, meaning cheap, quick and anything else but a missionary position is unlikely to be offered as a standard.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]

As far as other items: beach water dispute is "clear" to me, toilets are a grey area. LOL. Now the obvious scams are a reminder to me to watch out with taxis meters, Tuk Tuks, jet skis, jewelry, Rolex watches, silk suits, barfines, ladydrinks (LD).[/QUOTE]Always insist on using the taxi-meter in Bangkok. Outside of Bangkok, negotiate before you get in the taxi. Avoid taxis that are waiting in front of hotels and tourist attractions. They will use the meter if you insist but then they will do the scenic route around the whole of Bangkok. Flagging down a cruising taxi is the safest option.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]

Food seems to be very cheap, but I'm a USA steak and potatoes guy, my fear is getting the runs (had that in Mexico once) and I only know Panda Express in the states (limited Chinese food), so I guess I can go to the McDonalds and Subways, & 7 Elevens of Thailand to be happy with the food. I won't eat the bugs, the lizards or cow balls or anything "crazy" like that, I suppose they have decent food correct? I have never eaten Thai or the food!
[/QUOTE]Thai food is among the best in the world! You are more likely to get ill by eating "non native" foods such as McD or Subways. Two handy sentences to remember are "Mai pet" ("not spicy") or "Pet nit noi" ("a little spicy") if you order local food. Just avoid to drink tap water and you'll be OK. Otherwise do as the locals do: their cuisine is perfectly adapted to the local climate and circumstances.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]
I researched the currency, so the denominations are.

$1,000, $500, $100, $50, $20 in bill forms.

Lesser denominations in coins are: 25 Satang, 50 Satang, 1 Baht, 2 Baht, 5 Baht, 10 Baht.

[URL]http://static.asiawebdirect.com/m/bangkok/portals/bangkok-com/homepage/magazine/10-ways-to-spot-foreigner/allParagraphs/09/image/thai-banknotes.jpg[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nstravel.com/image/upload/THcurren_exposure.gif[/URL][/QUOTE]25 and 50 satang coins are very very rare. Even 1 baht and 2 baht coins are not very common. Watch out for the 500 ad 100 baht bills. They are both reddish in color and in the "red light" districts it is sometimes difficult to see the difference. It has happened to me that I tipped someone 500 baht rather than the intended 100 baht. Now I keep the 1000 and 500 baht bills in a separate section of my bill-fold. The smaller bills (100,50 and 20 baht) go into a more easily accessible part of my wallet.

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Since the weather is tropical (going in Feb) shorts are the standard dress, pants too? Are there dress codes in some places? Seems like Jan and Feb would be out of the rainy season, so a light jacket I suppose.[/QUOTE]Most of the Thai men will wear pants in town. Shorts are for youngsters, at the beach or -indeed- for tourists. Don't wear shorts when going to a temple, most museums or fancy restaurants. Thai girls love "sharp dressed men"! I usually wear pants with zip-off trouser legs. Depending on the circumstances I can adapt! When going to the agogo-clubs I wear pants, a clean short-sleeve shirt and I took a shower before going out. Jackets are not necessary unless you intend to do business. I find a small umbrella much more useful than a jacket.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]

Food seems to be very cheap, but I'm a USA steak and potatoes guy, my fear is getting the runs (had that in Mexico once) and I only know Panda Express in the states (limited Chinese food), so I guess I can go to the McDonalds and Subways, & 7 Elevens of Thailand to be happy with the food. I won't eat the bugs, the lizards or cow balls or anything "crazy" like that, I suppose they have decent food correct? I have never eaten Thai or the food!
.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, do forgive me, but I had to laugh, in a nice way, when I read Panda Express as having any relationship to Thai food. Other than they "might " both be Asian, and might both have rice dishes. I thought things like the Discovery Channel had made the world a much closer if not exactly homogenous place. I would love to go back 35 years to my first time to Thailand where I had never encountered Tom Yam, Somtam etc (nor Mekong whisky!) I think its great in this world of well traveled, ocassionallyflea bitten, rough at the edges mongers, there are still people who haven't yet taken their first Thai trip and are curious about how it will be.

Since those 35 years ago, having eaten crocodile fillet, lambs brains (simmered then topped with a warm lemon squeeze) , elephant, dog, cat, horse, snake, bee larvae, river eels, chicken cooked in its own blood, scorpions, frogs, and too many animals balls to count, I seem to have forgotten those innocent far off days when I would think that my local Chinese takeway had any relationship to anything Thai.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]
Since the weather is tropical (going in Feb) shorts are the standard dress, pants too? Are there dress codes in some places? Seems like Jan and Feb would be out of the rainy season, so a light jacket I suppose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1643763]
If you enjoy looking like a tourist, by all means wear shorts and a t-shirt in Bangkok. A backwards baseball cap completes the ensemble. (If you must dress like this, please also wear sandals with black socks. That way they'll think you're German and not American) If you want to look like a moderately sane adult, wear long pants. I'll get grief for saying this. But in most countries adults do not wear shorts. In Thailand only manual laborers and very poor men wear shorts. The exception is the beach. However, the same fate awaits your nuts if you walk around Pattaya in a Speedo. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1643801]
Most of the Thai men will wear pants in town. Shorts are for youngsters, at the beach or -indeed- for tourists. Don't wear shorts when going to a temple, most museums or fancy restaurants. Thai girls love "sharp dressed men"! I usually wear pants with zip-off trouser legs. Depending on the circumstances I can adapt! When going to the agogo-clubs I wear pants, a clean short-sleeve shirt and I took a shower before going out. Jackets are not necessary unless you intend to do business. I find a small umbrella much more useful than a jacket.[/QUOTE]Although Phordphan's and Wolvenvacht's comments are accurate by all means please bring shorts and t-shirts with you. If you go outside wearing long pants and closed shoes you will sweat your ass off after 100 metres already (or 100 yards in your case). In the daytime it's simply too hot to be dressed like that IMHO.

When you get here you will notice that the majority of the mongerers wears a short, t-shirt and either flip flops, sandals or closed (sport) shoes. With the exception of Arabic and Indian men mostly.

Even at night when most of us go out hunting for pussy the majority still wears this outfit. Personally I change to long pants and socks in closed shoes at night because the temperature is bearable by that time and because I know the ladies appreciate it. Usually the ladies dress themselves nicely as well when you barfine them and they don't like to walk hand in hand with a shabby looking man.

However some people at this forum think it doesn't make any difference how you dress because in the end the only thing the girls care about is your money. But it's not my intention to start this debate again.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1643810]Although Phordphan's and Wolvenvacht's comments are accurate by all means please bring shorts and t-shirts with you. If you go outside wearing long pants and closed shoes you will sweat your ass off after 100 metres already (or 100 yards in your case). In the daytime it's simply too hot to be dressed like that IMHO.
[/QUOTE]Don't forget, the dude's from Vegas. Temps of 114 F (46 C) are not uncommon in the summer. 90 F (32 C) is going to seem rather nice. Although BKK certainly has more humidity.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1643801]

Most of the Thai men will wear pants in town. Shorts are for youngsters, at the beach or -indeed- for tourists. Don't wear shorts when going to a temple, most museums or fancy restaurants. Thai girls love "sharp dressed men"! I usually wear pants with zip-off trouser legs. Depending on the circumstances I can adapt! When going to the agogo-clubs I wear pants, a clean short-sleeve shirt and I took a shower before going out. Jackets are not necessary unless you intend to do business. I find a small umbrella much more useful than a jacket.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with this. Thai Girls and most Asian women are suckers for sharp dressed men. And if you are a sharply dressed foreigner in BKK its even more of a novelty for them as they hardly ever see that, especially in the tourist areas. Also the way you are dressed makes a huge difference in the way you are treated in BKK by the locals. You are not given the tourist attitude which is pretty much "lets screw you for all you are worth" but people will start to be more respectful, take you seriously and wait on you hand and toe.

I have experimented with this many times during my numerous BKK trips these last 2 years. On my most recent trip I wore a v-neck and a pair of shorts with flip flops and went to Baccarra. Although I pulled a cutie it wasn't smooth sailing and even the staff and doormen could not give a damn. The next day I work a Jacket, tailored pants and a nice v-neck underneath. The doormen were begging me to get into their bars, literally dragging me inside, giving me a private booth, top of the range girls coming over without having to call them.

This was a conscious experiment.

I have tested this in the Malls, Restaurants and everywhere service oriented in Bangkok. I have a lot of Thai friends as well and when we go out, appearance is a huge deal to them. They would rather not be seen with you if you dress like a tourist. I have tested this theory many times and confirm without a doubt to be true.

Most tourists in BKK don't even dress well when going clubbing. I always make sure I have a nice thin lightweight jacket on before going to a high-end club and have never once have to stand in line. The doormen usher you in because the impression you project makes them think you are a client of value and will spend big bucks. You don't have to spend once you are in but the impression never hurts.

So my advice is, if you are going out sightseeing and walking most of the day around BKK, be comfortable, but if you are going out to any service oriented venue in BKK like a Gogo or Restaurant at the very least look presentable. Shorts and T-shirt will get you what you want but leave a bad impression of you and it will eventually reflect on the service you receive.

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In Chinatown, are the FLs / bargirls Chinese or Thai? Seems somebody commented that the girls in this area are cheaper.[/QUOTE]No, don't go there as a newbie! Start with the beer bars, go go's and massage parlors (not necessarily in that order). Once you are familiar with the scene and feel confident enough, maybe at your second or third visit to Thailand, you might want to explore the freelancer scene. And then it's best to start in a disco or club or at Beach Road Pattaya or Nana Plaza parking lot Bangkok but certainly not in Chinatown Bangkok.

The scene here is totally different from the USA and everywhere you go the girls will know within seconds that you're a newbie and they will take advantage of that. You'll have to learn how to handle these girls and the best way to learn that is in the beer bars, go go's and massage parlors. Freelancers and most certainly street walkers are usually more tough to handle.

OIC says the Blindman.

Thanks with the help on these subtle areas of discussion.

Re: food, photography, beaches, scams, greenhorn, clothing, weather, money.

One thing I left out is the internet / cell phone subject. And I really like first hand knowledge on these things.

In my research, I have gathered that wifi is widespread in BKK and depending on the hotel it can either cost some or may be free for those that are staying at that particular hotel.

So, do you recommend bringing a laptop or a tablet? And if so, do you put that item in the hotel-room safe? Is the safe big enough for that?

I have read that I can just buy a throw away phone at a 7/11 w / SIM card and use it while there, it comes with minutes. I don't know prices on this, but that's probably what I will do.

Now some of you might know and some may not know, but I use Gmail and have a free phone number associated with Gmail that I make calls to and from and text message, would this Gmail feature work in BKK (as far as calling the states via Gmail)? I know you cannot call to foreign countries.

Now I know the questions I have irritate some of you on here, you don't want to answer questions from a newbie, I understand, but some knowledge is just not out there in detail. You guys seem to be on the pulse, so that's why I ask.

On another subject for those that live in Asia- BKK, you as an American, do you find it hard to be around the Asian accent for a long period of time? I don't want to sound mean or rude, but it just seems to me that a person can take it for awhile but it could be irritating after a long period of time (a month). Wouldn't you seek out English speakers at some point?

Google voice uses the phone cellular network, it is not voice over IP. I use Vonage extensions or Skype to call back to the USA.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643934]OIC says the Blindman.

Thanks with the help on these subtle areas of discussion.

Re: food, photography, beaches, scams, greenhorn, clothing, weather, money.

One thing I left out is the internet / cell phone subject. And I really like first hand knowledge on these things.

In my research, I have gathered that wifi is widespread in BKK and depending on the hotel it can either cost some or may be free for those that are staying at that particular hotel.

So, do you recommend bringing a laptop or a tablet? And if so, do you put that item in the hotel-room safe? Is the safe big enough for that?

I have read that I can just buy a throw away phone at a 7/11 w / SIM card and use it while there, it comes with minutes. I don't know prices on this, but that's probably what I will do...[/QUOTE]