Bangkok Reports

I have been an active monger for long but still haven't ticked the box of a hot ebony fuck. In BKK next wk again and if any kind soul can help me with a good ebony contact. Direct. Agency. Independent. Etc will be forever thankful.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2411410]I have been an active monger for long but still haven't ticked the box of a hot ebony fuck. In BKK next wk again and if any kind soul can help me with a good ebony contact. Direct. Agency. Independent. Etc will be forever thankful.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You can find African hookers up and down Sukhumvit, especially lower sois. I am sure there are bars they hang out in but I don't know any. But you will find plenty on the street (Sukh).

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2411273]To be perfectly honest the bouncers probably saved you some money. If you like the young cute innocent types that East Asian dudes usually go for, those girls in Rainbow (specifically RB3 & RB4) and Baccara (ground floor) basically only look for Asian customers, and every once in a while, a white guy.

What I mean is, yes the bouncers were racist outside, but a lot of the girls inside would be just as bad. The last thing you want is to see a 9/10-10/10, ask the waitress to bring her down for a drink, and have the girl decline the drink.

Stick to Billboards / Butterflies / Spankys / Angelwitch.[/QUOTE]I like the Rainbows and never have a problem grabbing a girl out of there if I chose to.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2411491]You can find African hookers up and down Sukhumvit, especially lower sois. I am sure there are bars they hang out in but I don't know any. But you will find plenty on the street (Sukh).[/QUOTE]They used to hang around Grace hotel.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2411410]I have been an active monger for long but still haven't ticked the box of a hot ebony fuck. In BKK next wk again and if any kind soul can help me with a good ebony contact. Direct. Agency. Independent. Etc will be forever thankful.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Was there literally 2 weeks ago and a crap ton and of "ebony" girls on Soi 7/1. Right at the end of the road. Around 12-2 am you can find about 15 of them. Saw a few on Soi 4 up by new beer garden.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2411508]They used to hang around Grace hotel.[/QUOTE]I understand there presence near Grace hotels and lower Sois. But I was basically looking for any personal contact for a decent escort.

So, I'm finally in BKK next week for the first time in 9 years and the first thing I want to do is experience my first Nuru. Been reading all about it, and I'm afraid I won't last 5 minutes of rubbing and sliding before I blow my load. AND my body & mind are not usually keen on a 2nd eruption. That's just the way I am; I'm in my fifties, and once has just been enough as of late. Hell, I'm not premature on a regular ride, but a Nuru, man, I don't know. So, what? Do I jack off a few hours before going? Last thing I want is pay 3500 for a 10 minute ride.

[QUOTE=Ablablat;2411784]So, I'm finally in BKK next week for the first time in 9 years and the first thing I want to do is experience my first Nuru. Been reading all about it, and I'm afraid I won't last 5 minutes of rubbing and sliding before I blow my load. AND my body & mind are not usually keen on a 2nd eruption. That's just the way I am; I'm in my fifties, and once has just been enough as of late. Hell, I'm not premature on a regular ride, but a Nuru, man, I don't know. So, what? Do I jack off a few hours before going? Last thing I want is pay 3500 for a 10 minute ride.[/QUOTE]You will be in BKK.

No need to jerk off.

Just go for a massage with a happy ending or to a blow job place.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2411410]I have been an active monger for long but still haven't ticked the box of a hot ebony fuck. In BKK next wk again and if any kind soul can help me with a good ebony contact. Direct. Agency. Independent. Etc will be forever thankful.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Bangkok is not the best place for doing black girls, IMHO. The quality overall is pretty low. I only saw one or two I would rate as really hot in the last couple of years. If you don't need a great face nor a slim hot body, maybe you can make do. Possible if it really is a bucket list thing.

I have done nice girls from Kenya, Ghana, South America, the West Indies, Dominican Rep. , Puerto Rico, Cuba, Martinique, etc. But none of the good ones were found in Bangkok, except for one tourist non hooker. Germany is great place to find a variety of black girl hookers.

Always seems strange to come to Bangkok and really look for anything other than Thai, Lao, Viet and Cambodian girls, other than by a massive fluke. The Uzbeki girls are generally not great either I think. Never met a Russian or CIS stunner, but maybe was not in the right place.

[QUOTE=Ablablat;2411784] Hell, I'm not premature on a regular ride, but a Nuru, man, I don't know. So, what? Do I jack off a few hours before going? Last thing I want is pay 3500 for a 10 minute ride.[/QUOTE]I am not that sort of guy that pops too easy, however a Japanese buddy said he always drinks alcohol before seeing a girl to reduce his dick sensitivity, and last longer. So 3 to 4 drinks may help.

Using Viagra may assist a guy to pop less easily and also to get another hard on quickly for 2nd pop. I think Doki Doki is place probably allowing a 2nd Pop. With Viagra, there is certainly no urgency to cum.

I don't believe jacking off in Thailand is a great idea, but maybe for those that cum too easily. You can fuck 3 girls per day if you like.

I second your opinion mate and have never tried anything else but Thai when in BKK. It was only a one of thing which I wanted to try. I have no interest in the street hookers in the lower Sois. Was checking if there is any good inde / escort anyone is aware of. If not will push this bucket list plan to May, when I shall be in Germany.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2411864]Bangkok is not the best place for doing black girls, IMHO. The quality overall is pretty low. I only saw one or two I would rate as really hot in the last couple of years. If you don't need a great face nor a slim hot body, maybe you can make do. Possible if it really is a bucket list thing.

I have done nice girls from Kenya, Ghana, South America, the West Indies, Dominican Rep. , Puerto Rico, Cuba, Martinique, etc. But none of the good ones were found in Bangkok, except for one tourist non hooker. Germany is great place to find a variety of black girl hookers.

Always seems strange to come to Bangkok and really look for anything other than Thai, Lao, Viet and Cambodian girls, other than by a massive fluke. The Uzbeki girls are generally not great either I think. Never met a Russian or CIS stunner, but maybe was not in the right place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Diglerni;2411517]Was there literally 2 weeks ago and a crap ton and of "ebony" girls on Soi 7/1. Right at the end of the road. Around 12-2 am you can find about 15 of them. Saw a few on Soi 4 up by new beer garden.[/QUOTE]You mean Soi 7. They are all gone from there.

Gone. So as I wind down the winter and get ready for my summer adventures, here is a consolidated report for the Nana area up to January 9.

As said, the Africans are gone, as are many of the cart bars on Soi 7. The action is starting up at "Nana at 7" I haven't really checked yet.

Great progress is being made on the Skywalk extension near Suk Soi 13. That should be open in a few months and will make the exploration walk easier.

There is a Burger King up by the Thermae. I never noticed it till last night LOL. Toms coffee is not open yet.

Tourist traffic is way down.

I have popped into Soi 7 Beergarden on at least 5 times at various evening hours and its always packed with girls, many of the older persuasion but some still serviceable. Lots of old local farangs there looking for wives.

The Mouth Houses are generally peopled with ladies who are skilled but not much to look at IMHO. Kasalong and Magic Table has been the worst, Wood Second. Roris is the only place where you might find a young tasty and there is great Georgian food across the street if you want to gobble some Lobio after a hummer. Soms is not called Soms anymore and its around the corner from where it used to be.

The Thermae ebbs and flows depending on day and time, but its my go to place and I've worked my way through most of the "stunners" there, which designation changes from week to week. Here is a stat for you, approximate of course: Over the past 6 months, the looks percentage is about 1/3, 1/3 being super hot, 1/3 being average, 1/3 being eewww. Out of those numbers, about 50% change from month to month or week to week, thus if on September 1 you see 10 stunners there, by Nov 1 half of them will be new faces. I do well there, I usually don't pay more than 2 K for short time. I've done several of the stunners there, usually the newer ones. 2 out of every 10 stunners play the I don't do farangs game, and half of those who you get on her knees for an extra 1000. There was a new one last night that played that game and then eye bugged when I showed her 10 K, a smile, a sigh and moved on. She will come around, especially when she talks to the other girls who have had my favour.

The Nana Stroll: I have never been a fan of that as the quality is poor. The deaf girls get a lot of play, I don't know why because they are just ban noks and look it, but most of them are not hideous with the exception being that they are pincushions. If you are so sad that you can only afford 1000 baht and don't really care about hygiene or what was in the tunnel before you, have at Soi 4. Its like a upscale Chicken Shack. The further you walk down the Soi, the better or worse appear, a few hot Viets next to lumpy babes in Burkas if you are into that scene.

There are only fatties at Grace, Thais and Iranian.

There is a Ladyboy Explosion on Sukh Odd Soi Side and some of them look fabulous. But they still are ladyboys.

All the clubs (Spasso, Insanity, Level, Mixx) have Uzbek or Kazak girls. There are no Russians here in the Clubs, save I saw one long glittering blonde with some VIP Robe dudes reeking of Oud. I'm sure they imported her. The closest you might get is one from the Kavkas, I cahtted with a girl from Abkhazia, but whe wasnt my style. There are Viets, Columbians and Brazilians though of various styles and flavours. I have not been inside Shock 39 or Bad Shah, but the girls shilling for Bad Shah are prettyy gnarly to western tastes. Prices in Mixx for an ersatz Russian or other such alien range from 4 K for me, to probably up to 10 for you, especially if you are Indian or Arab.

Attention my Indian Brothers, here are some tips: Going solo gets you more respect and less hassle. Going in groups is where you will have a problem. If you are looking for non Thai pussy say in Mixx, expect to pay more because you are Indian. That's the way of the world. Shower up and dress nice.

I don't really do gogos or MPs (in BKK) so I will leave others to comment. Nor will I give you advice as to Sanam Pao area / Chinatown / Saphan Kwaii, you shouldn't be there. I have not been to the Petchaburi stoll yet but will go over there before I leave.

One of the gifts to my life is Tindr. Best way to meet tourist girls who need some cash.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2411410]I have been an active monger for long but still haven't ticked the box of a hot ebony fuck. In BKK next wk again and if any kind soul can help me with a good ebony contact. Direct. Agency. Independent. Etc will be forever thankful.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Have noticed a few in Spasso that dress well and look like they have tight bodies. Not tried them from Spasso myself but have had the pleasure of being with a few in KL from a place called Beach Club. That place used to be good but I think long past it's best. Anyway, well worth it if you get a good one, so maybe check out Spasso. They have good bodies, usually stacked with real breasts, nice backsides and lips made for kissing. They know how to please and I have found them to be good fun. If you have not ticked it off, then you need to. Money well spent IMHO. As always, the right girl makes it worthwhile. Happy Hunting.

I used to publish my blogs on a UK punting site but was banned there for being a very naughty boy so have returned like the unprodigal son to ISG, my former stomping ground.

I'm back in Lower Sukhumvit, Bangkok for the first time in over a year and the place is still a colourful whirlwind smorgasbord of sexual delights that it has always been in my living memory. Only, now with the baht v pound hovering a fraction beneath the forty mark, has it become a little more expensive but still eminently affordable vis a vis western dens of iniquity. Although that being said, there is nothing in the west that even vaguely matches the sinful extravaganza of the big hot, smelly durian.

Usually in past visits, my agenda was simple and the same as 95% of other single males staying in the area. Namely to fill my boots by fucking as many Thai girls as I could possibly manage to fit in, in as short a time as possible. Now that I am older and have rather less frantic levels of testosterone coursing through my veins, I am more able to sit back and enjoy the orgiastic spectacle unfurling before my eyes and yet remain an interested but neutral observer albeit one who is ready to ditch the neutrality and become an active participant if and when an offers that cannot be refused materializes.

However I doubt very much that this will be the case. The quality of available poontang (love that word) seen so far, albeit not too deep into the trip, has been spotty to say the least. And with Bangkok usually having consistent superiority over Pattaya regarding pussy standards, I'm becoming rather ominous about what I'm going to find in the sex and' sun capital of the universe. But no matter as I'm determined to thoroughly enjoy what might well be my final trip to the Land of Smiles and if nothing which takes my fancy presents itself, then C'est La Vie, as they say in Scunthorpe.

Therefore it was with an unfettered and happy heart that I left my rather classy and virtually brand new rented condo, almost opposite Soi Cowboy, to enjoy an evening of adult entertainment in Sodom. First stop was obvious. Soi Cowboy itself. Now this place holds special affection in my heart because it was here, in a small, relatively insignificant bar that I first met Pom, the Thai girl that came within a whisker of snatching my heart. But that is a story for another place and another time. The short street was buzzing despite it been fairly early in its working day and as I strolled its length amid the cacophony of bar noise and the strident mating calls of its resident female and indeterminate gender denizens, I was suffused with memories of its glory days (at least for me) of the late eighties and the nineties. In those distant days a beer was a little over a quid, bar fines were 12-50 and the girl cost roughly 25 long time. Now you have to multiply those figures by a factor of 4 at least. The global popularity of slumming it in Bangkok has had its negative ramifications.

However, do not for one moment, take me for a 'glory days' old timer, harping back to the good old times. Okay, maybe a little. Okay, fuck you all, perhaps a lot. Please forgive me my misty eyed, evocation of a former, long gone Bangkok, where, although money remained the driving force, the place had a vulnerable, beating heart humanity to it and where many a guy found true and undying (at least until it was time to return home) love within its portals. And, like many things in the modern world, it had yet to become the grinding cash machine that it now is.

Now I am restricted, by medical advice and centrifugal necessity (I fall over far quicker!) to a limited number of beers in an evening. And I as a dyed in the wool tyke, I am allergic to paying 3 for a bottle of water or some sugar gorged beverage. So I am restricting my visits to bars to a minimum. The life on the street is in any case much more fun. But I cannot leave the Soi without sampling its go-gone delights. It became a case of eeny, meeny, mo and I'm afraid that mo was rather a poor choice. The best of G2 bars have a kinetic energy about them that make them vibrant and exciting places where anything is possible but fun is guaranteed. The worst have a soulless rejection of the joy of life with zombie like dancers going through a step routine which would put Wayne to Sleep. Permanently! My choice that night was somewhat closer to the latter than the former. So I spent 10 minutes competing with the girls over who can yawn the widest or adopt the most convincing, 'wish I was somewhere else, anywhere' expression before heading off to explore other more animated environs. However, I was not despondent as I just caught the end of happy hour and the beer was only 90 baht. A result.

So I set off to stroll the manic mile between Soi Cowboy to Nana Entertainment Plaza, a walk which must be the most frenetic and exciting in the modern world. Competing for space on the sidewalk with ho's, ladyboys, thieves, gawping Indian tourists, African cutthroats, vendors of sex aids and dodgy pharmaceuticals and the myriad other examples of the heaving, competing, living mass that constitutes lower Sukhumvit Road on an average night. Thankfully it is January which means that it marginally less sauna like hot than it usually is so I don't completely meltdown.

So, after a short diversion to see the supersized working girls (its early so only one on display) outside the famed sleezepot, Vietnam War are&are throwback Grace Hotel which is the place where, incidentally. In 1986, in its infamous coffee shop, I first bought a couple of hours of illicit sex with a skinny young Thai girl, the majority of which time was spent chasing her around the hotel room like a greyhound trying to pin down a hare. Heady days!

This pilgrimage completed, I made haste to NEP where I immediately headed to my favorite bar called Front Page on the second floor. Now this was more like it. Despite the fact that they had installed the usual, completely unnecessary shower bath, an accoutrement which seem to be de rigeur in a modern day Thai go-go's, the place was the usual enthralling mix of goggle-eyed punters and lovely (and some not so lovely) Thai dancers. The place was hopping, as expected, and I was fortunate to get a seat right next to the bath in which several, near naked girls frolicked under the lustful gaze of us paying customers. Unfortunately the little, hot, brown cutie that had enlivened my last two visits to this excellent venue, was no longer to be seen but I thoroughly enjoyed my visit and thumbed my nose at medical science by enjoying a second and a third tiger beer.

So it was a rather unsteady Eddy who made his way back, after making a short diversion, past the gathered throngs of available pussy (and cock) outside that other Bangkok institution, the Nana Hotel, and seeing nothing which I wouldn't require a collar and leash to walk home.

Apologies if you have struggled your way through this overlong and overly verbose drivel and are disappointed when you have come to the realization that I did not actually fuck anything. All I can say is that the spirit is willing but the body weak.

For the more interesting version with embedded media, try my site (where I do actually get to fuck stuff albeit in a decidedly geriatric fashion). Google Vivagoproductions.

[QUOTE=Ablablat;2411784]So, I'm finally in BKK next week for the first time in 9 years and the first thing I want to do is experience my first Nuru. Been reading all about it, and I'm afraid I won't last 5 minutes of rubbing and sliding before I blow my load. AND my body & mind are not usually keen on a 2nd eruption. That's just the way I am; I'm in my fifties, and once has just been enough as of late. Hell, I'm not premature on a regular ride, but a Nuru, man, I don't know. So, what? Do I jack off a few hours before going? Last thing I want is pay 3500 for a 10 minute ride.[/QUOTE]A good thing that you could do is to go in BJ bar instead of masturbate (it's cheap and it's still an interaction with a girl).

Rest a few hours, take a small portion of vitamin and then go to the nuru.

Don't know where Front Page came from. I meant, of course, Billboard, the best bar in NEP IMO.

Hi All.

Where can I find Cambodian girls in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=LoveShibuyaGirls;2412050]Hi All.

Where can I find Cambodian girls in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Cross the border into Bpoi Bpaet or fly to Phnom Penh. Seems like a really silly question. They exist in Bangkok but maybe illegal as far as being sex workers. So we should not divulge where to find them, if there was actually any answer.

I have done two girls at least in Bangkok known to be Cambodian, but I can't say where to find them. They both had good English skills as well as Thai skills.

The ones that live very close to Thailand (as in my two) may look very much like Thais, but speak Thai slightly strangely. Thai girls from Surin area may speak a dialect like ancient Cambodian, and not hard to find these types at all, but officially they are Thai.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2411877]If not will push this bucket list plan to May, when I shall be in Germany.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Good Plan. Germany FKK Threads can say which clubs have best selection of black girls. I did them mostly as Palace and Oase in Frankfurt area.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2411977]
Apologies if you have struggled your way through this overlong and overly verbose drivel and are disappointed when you have come to the realization that I did not actually fuck anything. All I can say is that the spirit is willing but the body weak.
[/QUOTE]Well you should do more reading on here to find some recommended places and go get a fuck, e. G. Massage joints if you don't like the gogo prices. Maybe try a Doki Doki body slide.

Your handle certainly rings a bell from yesteryear. A bit hard to forget it. I don't recall you being a ratbag. Quoting prices in "quid" won't mean much to most readers on here.

Changes in Thailand mongering style are pretty severe.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2411977]I'm back in Lower Sukhumvit, Bangkok for the first time in over a year and the place is still a colourful whirlwind smorgasbord of sexual delights that it has always been in my living memory....[/QUOTE]Nice read, old rascal, and very much looking forward to future reports. Hopefully you won't charge us for that pleasure!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2412111] Hopefully you won't charge us for that pleasure![/QUOTE]Of course not unless you are perverse enough to want to see live action clips of the 100+ hot wenches that I have banged on 4 continents in the last 3 years. Then you might just be persuaded to part with your hard earned and fund my future adventures. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2412107] Your handle certainly rings a bell from yesteryear. A bit hard to forget it. I don't recall you being a ratbag. Quoting prices in "quid" won't mean much to most readers on here.
[/QUOTE]Who called me a ragbag? I'm many things and doubt whether I would be welcome at many vicars tea parties but I'm not a ragbag.

Why wouldn't readers on here not understand "quid"? This forum is not exclusively made up of former colonials don't you know, old chap.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2412104]Cross the border into Bpoi Bpaet or fly to Phnom Penh. Seems like a really silly question. They exist in Bangkok but maybe illegal as far as being sex workers. So we should not divulge where to find them, if there was actually any answer.

I have done two girls at least in Bangkok known to be Cambodian, but I can't say where to find them. They both had good English skills as well as Thai skills.

The ones that live very close to Thailand (as in my two) may look very much like Thais, but speak Thai slightly strangely. Thai girls from Surin area may speak a dialect like ancient Cambodian, and not hard to find these types at all, but officially they are Thai.[/QUOTE]Actually, last year, the two hottest and best fucks I had where Cambodian friends I met in the Soi 7 Beir Garden. I have met a few from time to time.

That said, if the reader really is wanting a physical type, you are most correct that many Surin girls do look very Khamer.

Here is a link to my present blog but with video embeds for a taste of Bangers for those who miss the place or would love to go. No registration or subscription required.

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[QUOTE=Skepti10;2411273]To be perfectly honest the bouncers probably saved you some money. If you like the young cute innocent types that East Asian dudes usually go for, those girls in Rainbow (specifically RB3 & RB4) and Baccara (ground floor) basically only look for Asian customers, and every once in a while, a white guy.

What I mean is, yes the bouncers were racist outside, but a lot of the girls inside would be just as bad. The last thing you want is to see a 9/10-10/10, ask the waitress to bring her down for a drink, and have the girl decline the drink.

Stick to Billboards / Butterflies / Spankys / Angelwitch.[/QUOTE]Never heard of any issues with Rainbow like this. I dunno. Yes the place (and girls) obviously cater to the east Asian crowd, but I've never seen white people have an issue in there at all.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2412131]Why wouldn't readers on here not understand "quid"? This forum is not exclusively made up of former colonials don't you know, old chap.[/QUOTE]Prices on ISG are traditionally reported in the local currency. Why you ask? Because exchange rates fluctuate. By your method: looking at the pricing in a report from months ago can potentially vary quite a bit. And by you method: it requires a double conversion to be meaningful for most people (USD- GBP- THB for example) so even less relevant over time.

SL.

Agree that costs should be in the currency of the country being discussed. Americans are the biggest culprits always posting amounts in US dollars. If I see the dollar sign am I to I think it is Hong Kong Dollars, Singapore Dollars, Taiwan dollars, Australia dollars, New Zealand dollars? How am I supposed to know which one it is? Only SEA country where USD should be an accepted financial term is Cambodia since USD is the currency most often used in that country. I think what a bargain if a post says that a bar girl is only 100 dollars because 100 Hong Kong dollars is only 390 baht!

[QUOTE=Psychman;2412196]
That said, if the reader really is wanting a physical type, you are most correct that many Surin girls do look very Khamer.[/QUOTE]I didn't say that, more that girls from outside Thailand but near to Thailand borders, e. G. Cambodia, can look very similar to Thai or Issan girls in general, e. G. One in Crazy House looked Thai (no broad nose and not specially dark) and wanted to speak English more so than speak Thai, supposedly coming from Siem Riep. Yet Phnom Penh girls look quite different to Thai in my limited experience.

Similarly a Lao girl I know from Savannakhet (close to border) looks more like Thai than typical Lao looks that I saw in Vientiane (this is also close to border but may include many girls from elsewhere).

I have not noticed Surin girls looking similar to Cambodian so far. I generally prefer Surin girls (the prettier ones) over Phnom Penh girls, for looks, although maybe my Cambodian girl sample was too poor. I suppose very dark skinned girls from Buriram and Surin can be thought of as like Cambodian from the dark skin tone, however skin colour is not an important factor for me. Buriram girls can be ugly but not always. I don't recall any regular girls from Buriram. Some from Sisaket and Surin though.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2412131]Who called me a ragbag? I'm many things and doubt whether I would be welcome at many vicars tea parties but I'm not a ragbag.

Why wouldn't readers on here not understand "quid"? This forum is not exclusively made up of former colonials don't you know, old chap.[/QUOTE]I have no clue what a quid is currently worth and most non Brits would struggle too. Certainly does not easily let us know if a deal is good or not. I have been to England/Scotland/NE but not recently, and some on here may never have been there.

No one called you a "ratbag", I was only surprised that I thought you said you were banned on some forum. I assume it takes a serious "ratbag" (affectionate term for someone a bit controversial or mischievous) or thread troll to get banned. Someone that stirs up lots of trouble? Maybe not. So I did not mean to accuse you of anything, only surprised.

In Thailand, the currency "pounds" is not pronounced well by Thais and sounds a lot like "born" which is quite tricky till you get used to it. Thais do poorly with multiple consonants together at the end of words, unless very highly educated in English by foreigners.

A Quid is a British Pound currently equal to $1.30684. I know because I just looked it up and because I have been binge watching "the Saint" with Roger Moore on Amazon Prime TV. 555. I am up to Season 3, Episode 4 still in black & white. Sir Roger was a better Saint than a Bond IMHO. There is only one Bond!

Interestingly Shirley Eaton, an English stunner who played the golden girl in "Goldfinger" played a bad girl in an early Saint episode season 2. It was nice to unexpectedly see her on the TV again. AND a very young Julie Christie, a truly smokin' hot British blond also from the 60's, who I used to have a teenage hard on for, played another bad girl in a different early Saint episode from season 1. That's nostalgia.

But don't worry, I am not bored and losing my mind. Ha Ha. There are lots of things to do here in South Florida and the weather is decent, but it's a good thing that I only have 3 months to go until the wheels are down in the big Mango. I can't wait!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2412454]Agree that costs should be in the currency of the country being discussed. Americans are the biggest culprits always posting amounts in US dollars. If I see the dollar sign am I to I think it is Hong Kong Dollars, Singapore Dollars, Taiwan dollars, Australia dollars, New Zealand dollars? How am I supposed to know which one it is? Only SEA country where USD should be an accepted financial term is Cambodia since USD is the currency most often used in that country. I think what a bargain if a post says that a bar girl is only 100 dollars because 100 Hong Kong dollars is only 390 baht![/QUOTE]I always write B400, for example, to designate baht. Most people understand what I mean by using the letter "be". My Android phone can't make a proper baht symbol.

When people use the word bath instead of baht, it makes me crazy.

[QUOTE=Allover;2412667]When people use the word bath instead of baht, it makes me crazy.[/QUOTE]Thais are the biggest culprits for this.

I see it often written on blackboards promoting daily specials and drink prices in tourist areas.

Not sure how bath crept into the lingua.

Annoys me as well.

[QUOTE=Allover;2412667]When people use the word bath instead of baht, it makes me crazy.[/QUOTE]Agreed; but I think many times it is just the ISG spell checker (text assist?) being over zealous.

SL.

That link proved so popular that I have freed up the first five volumes of my blog archives. They are now available to view with no membership or subscription requirement. They cover Bangkok, Pattaya, Jakarta and Manila and although from 2016-17 they may be of interest to some mongering historians and will definitely be of interest to those who like to look at pictures of pretty girls. Note however that there is no nudity; you have to join us for that.

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Enjoy.

Has anyone seen my libido? I seem to have lost it. It answers to the name of Mojo and is quite tame these days and never bites.

I thought that a good way of finding it was to take a trip to one of Bangkoks notorious, unique and unrivaled BJ bars. This proved to be a good decision although I initially had difficulty locating my bar of choice, one that I had visited several times in the past. This is Doctor BJs. Little did I know that Dr BJs is now defunct and its replacement on Soi 7/1 is called Wood Bar (figures). I walked the length of the ski and was baffled when I could not find it. Google maps is of no assistance whatsoever in these circumstances, so what is the solution? Easy-peasy. Ask a friendly, neighborhood ladyboy. Although she initially tried to entice me into her lair (bar), she soon realized that was not on the cards, she very kindly pointed out the bar in question which was only a few doors down the Soi.

So I hastened to Woody's to hopefully get my pipes cleaned. But first I had to endure that Thai tradition of the line up. I always feel sorry for the girls having to go through this undoubtedly slightly embarrassing ritual several times a day. It must be hard for the older or less attractive girls who get seldom chosen if there is a prettier, more shapely option available. The blows to the self image must be devastating. It reminds me of my school days when, despite thinking that I was the next Georgie Best, I was invariably picked last for the football side, after the fat kid and the boy with the guide dog! Its a cruel world.

So, you'the think because of this that I would give one of the less attractive girls a chance by picking her. Fuck that. I went for the young, pretty lass and we climbed the narrow, somewhat rickety stairs to the third floor BJ suite.

For those who have yet to enjoy this experience, you don't know what you are missing. It right up there with your first joint or fingering of female genitalia. Well maybe not that good but it sure is a thrill. There is no bed in the room but just a big black chair, like the one used on Mastermind but a bit more comfortable looking. It looks well used and a strategically placed towel possibly conceal scars and stains of former encounters or maybe that's just my overactive imagination.

But first the willy washing which is almost as much fun as what is to follow. You position yourself in front of a large basin and place your meat and two veg on a kind of cock Shute where your privates are gently soaped, washed and rinsed until your bits are sparkling clean and not a drop of smegma remaining anywhere.

This done, you take your seat in the hot chair with John Humphreys on his knees in front of you ready to ask questions on your specialist subject. Or was that a nightmare I had the other night?

To be honest the actual BJ was a little bit of an anticlimax in that I climaxed too soon. The combination of the girls expert ministrations together with my lack of recent sexual activity combined to ensure that I was filling her mouth with baby batter less than five minutes after dick touched lips. It was however, a lovely long drawn out orgasm, the best that I have enjoyed in ages. She let me empty every last drop into her mouth before going off to spit and gargle.

And all for the paltry sum of 1000 baht with a well deserved 200 baht tip.

And who should come running up as I'm leaving but mojo. Good old mojo.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2412683]Thais are the biggest culprits for this.

I see it often written on blackboards promoting daily specials and drink prices in tourist areas.

Not sure how bath crept into the lingua.

Annoys me as well.[/QUOTE]It isn't only on hand-written signs but you will often see it spelled "bath" on professionally produced and finished signs in the malls. Look around, you'll see it spelled that way almost as often as "baht." Actually, there is little reason for a Thai to think the word is misspelled in English as "bath". After all, as far as I can recall, the "th" is virtually always pronounced "T" in the Thai language, as in Thomas, Thailand, Thermae, etc, never as in "This" and "That".

For me, I am much more annoyed by native English speakers struggling to incorrectly refer to that Sukhumvit Road bar as "Th"ermae instead of simply "T"ermae. Why they can't accept that the "Th" at the beginning of Thermae is spoken no differently than the "Th" at the beginning of Thailand is weird, imo. I have sat amazed with a fellow actually named Thomas, sitting in Thailand and unable to wrap his head around the idea that Thermae is pronounced "Termae", the way his own name and the country he is sitting in begins and not "Th"ermae the way the words thermos, this and that begin.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2412919]I have sat amazed with a fellow actually named Thomas, sitting in Thailand and unable to wrap his head around the idea that Thermae is pronounced "Termae", the way his own name and the country he is sitting in begins and not "Th"ermae the way the words thermos, this and that begin.[/QUOTE]I must admit I pronounced Thermae as "Thermae" for several years. I think it had to do with coffee shop and thermos coming together in my caffeine craving cranium.

Not that I have ever had a cup of Java there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2412919]It isn't only on hand-written signs but you will often see it spelled "bath" on professionally produced and finished signs in the malls. Look around, you'll see it spelled that way almost as often as "baht." Actually, there is little reason for a Thai to think the word is misspelled in English as "bath". After all, as far as I can recall, the "th" is virtually always pronounced "T" in the Thai language, as in Thomas, Thailand, Thermae, etc, never as in "This" and "That".

For me, I am much more annoyed by native English speakers struggling to incorrectly refer to that Sukhumvit Road bar as "Th"ermae instead of simply "T"ermae. Why they can't accept that the "Th" at the beginning of Thermae is spoken no differently than the "Th" at the beginning of Thailand is weird, imo. I have sat amazed with a fellow actually named Thomas, sitting in Thailand and unable to wrap his head around the idea that Thermae is pronounced "Termae", the way his own name and the country he is sitting in begins and not "Th"ermae the way the words thermos, this and that begin.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, that got a laugh out of me being interested in linguistic things.

Th as is "this" and "thick", actually two different sounds phonetically, both don't exist in Thai language. They also don't exist in German language and a few other European languages and hence Thomas (a good German name) sound like Tomas.

English spellings only add the letter H to show that the consonant is aspirated. Hence "khop" sounds like an English K but "kop" sounds closer to gop (a frog). Phuket sounds like Poo-get and never has an F sound. The two Ps in Phnom Penh sound different, because the first is aspirated with H and the second is not. Neither sound like an F of course. Sound is close to P-nom Bane, although the B is not 100% right for an unaspirated P.

พนมเปญ

Baht is a different scenario since the H appears after the vowel only to indicate it is a long vowel sound "ah". Otherwise could sound like butt. Very hard to understand the prevalence of the word "Bath" since the final T is not aspirated.

When Thais make signs in English, they really should get an English person to check it.

Please remember that Pad Thai sounds a bit silly even if some Thais recognise it. It is really Phat Thai, where Phat rhymes with English word butt. Pattaya is pronounced wrong about 95% by westerners. The initial sound also rhymes with butt, and final letter is a long A like the Ah in Baht.

พัทยา

It is very unfortunate that English spellings of Thai words are helping Europeans more so than English speakers. There is no V sound in Thai so a Thai name spelled with a V must be pronounced with a W. Suvarnabhumi airport is really Su-wan-a-poom. The letters V, R and B are all misleading, and final I is silent. What a total fuck up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2412919]For me, I am much more annoyed by native English speakers struggling to incorrectly refer to that Sukhumvit Road bar as "Th"ermae instead of simply "T"ermae. Why they can't accept that the "Th" at the beginning of Thermae is spoken no differently than the "Th" at the beginning of Thailand is weird, imo. I have sat amazed with a fellow actually named Thomas, sitting in Thailand and unable to wrap his head around the idea that Thermae is pronounced "Termae", the way his own name and the country he is sitting in begins and not "Th"ermae the way the words thermos, this and that begin.[/QUOTE]Ha. For some reason, it never even occurred to me that Thailand was pronounced wrong in English.

I don't think Th is always pronounced as a T by Thais though. It seems sometimes they also pronounce Th as a the. I go to "the" store. I want "dis", I want "that". Maybe they can't pronounce Th at all?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2411894]As I wind down the winter and get ready for my summer adventures, here is a consolidated report for the Nana area.[/QUOTE]Excellent report sir! Thanks so much for taking the time to post. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2413340]Ha. For some reason, it never even occurred to me that Thailand was pronounced wrong in English.

I don't think Th is always pronounced as a T by Thais though. It seems sometimes they also pronounce Th as a the. I go to "the" store. I want "dis", I want "that". Maybe they can't pronounce Th at all?[/QUOTE]
Thailand is an English word, so I never heard it pronounced wrong. Vowel "A" is allowed vary in English depending on your country of origin.

There may be a few Thais that can pronounce Thick and Thin, This and That, correctly, if highly educated especially overseas, but not many as a percentage. There are no Thai words with these Th sounds (as in English) at all. So maybe pronounced like a T as in Thailand, or like D more commonly. Yes not always as T. D' cat and D' Dog.
Your post likely was mashed by the spelling auto corrector and so it may not have said what you intended.

Thais even stuff up English pronouns so "he" and "she" maybe used for the wrong sex at times.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2412899]So I hastened to Woody's to hopefully get my pipes cleaned. But first I had to endure that Thai tradition of the line up. I always feel sorry for the girls having to go through this undoubtedly slightly embarrassing ritual several times a day. It must be hard for the older or less attractive girls who get seldom chosen if there is a prettier, more shapely option available. The blows to the self image must be devastating. It reminds me of my school days when, despite thinking that I was the next Georgie Best, I was invariably picked last for the football side, after the fat kid and the boy with the guide dog! Its a cruel world.

So, you'the think because of this that I would give one of the less attractive girls a chance by picking her. Fuck that. I went for the young, pretty lass and we climbed the narrow, somewhat rickety stairs to the third floor BJ suite.
[/QUOTE]Crocodile sympathy from you. Girls have to realize that few customers are really going to be sympathetic to their ugly looks, but fortunately my buddy only likes girls I would call fat, and I like the slimmer ones. Used to be a joke among Farang Expats he would select the ugliest girl in the room. Taste varies. I might ignore the girls with bad nose or tit jobs, because they simply look incongruous.

In Star of Light I was once told by an old hag, that looks make no difference when you get a BJ, but my excitement levels vary tremendously based on how pretty she is. I don't take BJ with eyes closed or in the dark. I don't like to take BJ from fully clothed girls either. Guess I am not really a BJ man nor a HJ man.

We are all used to line ups so it is well accepted, not quite an embarrassing ritual. We can't all have the hots for an old hag, with sometimes her husband/boyfriend/pimp sleeping upstairs. It is known that some customers like me may well be a waste of time without selecting anyone, although at Wood bar I am likely to know in advance who I want. The embarassing part is the potential to go past a Thai boy, that is the partner of your selected girl. I hate those boys hanging around with no where to live.

The girls love customers that cum quick since they don't make huge money per BJ, but I typically take some time, and prefer to book full sex sessions (where girls make more).

I guess ugly girls need to hope word of mouth spreads about their incredible BBBJ talents, to get some business, but times are really tough with even hotter girls struggling to get enough customers.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2412718]Agreed; but I think many times it is just the ISG spell checker (text assist?) being over zealous.

SL.[/QUOTE]Not in the case of Baht. That is an uncorrected word. Too many really think it is "Bath". The spell auto corrupter is very annoying though, why the hell is "papas an" two words? Simply because "papasan" is not in dictionary

Was in bkk for 3 nights lately. This trip made me understand that anything above 5-6 k Bhatt a night is not worth it when in Thailand.

What do you think fellow Seniors??

Spent 3 days with a single gem and it was an experience at a total new level for me, including 3 somes and some other few first time checks from bucket list.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2413894]Was in bkk for 3 nights lately. This trip made me understand that anything above 5-6 k Bhatt a night is not worth it when in Thailand.
[/QUOTE]Some guys take escorts costing more than 6 K and that is not for whole night. Depends on how fabulous is the girl, and how many shots in total. Some of us rarely do all nights anyway, and some girls rarely do all night because the money is not enough to persuade them. Most of my regular girls are not keen to do all night anyway, only occasionally for me.

North of 6K could well be a rip off, especially if girl does not perform. I never take a girl all night on first booking any more, in case she is a dud for me.

Some guys will say 5K is far too much, but they won't be able to get all girls for their price. Great if you can get the most gorgeous girls, that will fuck your brains out all night for 5K.

We have yet another weird spelling "Bhatt" for Thai Baht. Amazing.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2413894]Was in bkk for 3 nights lately. This trip made me understand that anything above 5-6 k Bhatt a night is not worth it when in Thailand.

What do you think fellow Seniors??

Spent 3 days with a single gem and it was an experience at a total new level for me, including 3 somes and some other few first time checks from bucket list.[/QUOTE]Can you advise where you booked this girl, costs and some of services provided?

Off to BKK soon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2413996]Some guys take escorts costing more than 6 K and that is not for whole night. Depends on how fabulous is the girl, and how many shots in total. Some of us rarely do all nights anyway, and some girls rarely do all night because the money is not enough to persuade them. Most of my regular girls are not keen to do all night anyway, only occasionally for me.
[/QUOTE]Never took a girl for a whole evening but I'm considering to do it next time I'm back in BKK due to the fact that I had a great time with a Thermae girl during my last visit.

I reckon that 6 k Bath plus tip would be a fair price for an evening of let's say from 6 pm to 12 am?

Should include 2 shots and fancy dinner. To make it clear. I'm paying for the dinner. Haha!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2413996]Some guys take escorts costing more than 6 K and that is not for whole night. Depends on how fabulous is the girl, and how many shots in total. Some of us rarely do all nights anyway, and some girls rarely do all night because the money is not enough to persuade them. Most of my regular girls are not keen to do all night anyway, only occasionally for me.

North of 6K could well be a rip off, especially if girl does not perform. I never take a girl all night on first booking any more, in case she is a dud for me.

Some guys will say 5K is far too much, but they won't be able to get all girls for their price. Great if you can get the most gorgeous girls, that will fuck your brains out all night for 5K.

We have yet another weird spelling "Bhatt" for Thai Baht. Amazing.[/QUOTE]Please excuse me for the spelling.

My price point is based on the comparison with my last trip where I spent a night with a bomb and spent 15 k bhat on her excluding the added expense of dinner and drinks. She was just 22 and super hot. But the girl I was with this time clicked all the similar boxes in 5 k a night. Only difference was this time I did the hard work to find her instead of just messaging an SP or using an escort agency. This was just my third trip to Bangkok and I have realized its more fun and better results with hard work rather then dialing a simple no. For pics and prices.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2414088]Never took a girl for a whole evening but I'm considering to do it next time I'm back in BKK due to the fact that I had a great time with a Thermae girl during my last visit.

I reckon that 6 k Bath plus tip would be a fair price for an evening of let's say from 6 pm to 12 am?

Should include 2 shots and fancy dinner. To make it clear. I'm paying for the dinner. Haha![/QUOTE]For me 2 shots usually mean short time (with a negotiated double shot), and should cost around 2-3 k.

If you're trying to do long time, it's essential that you have decent chemistry with the girl. Perhaps arrange a short time first (or specify both the ST and LT price), and see if you want to extend it afterwards. Just throwing 6 k at an unknown girl could easily be a waste -- she could decide to cut it short and do a runner, and still demand full payment.

IMHO, Thai working girls don't make great companions for a fancy dinner these days (if they ever did). It's unusual for one to be a good conversationalist and if the place is too posh, it's unlikely she'd enjoy either the environment or the food. If you're getting food together, better go for a midrange or downmarket place they would actually enjoy.

As an aside, Ying from Tulip seems to fancy an occasional fancy dinner, and can hold herself just fine in a posh setting, so if you don't mind her looks, it's worth a shot (or five).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2414103]For me 2 shots usually mean short time (with a negotiated double shot), and should cost around 2-3 k.

If you're trying to do long time, it's essential that you have decent chemistry with the girl. Perhaps arrange a short time first (or specify both the ST and LT price), and see if you want to extend it afterwards. Just throwing 6 k at an unknown girl could easily be a waste -- she could decide to cut it short and do a runner, and still demand full payment.

IMHO, Thai working girls don't make great companions for a fancy dinner these days (if they ever did). It's unusual for one to be a good conversationalist and if the place is too posh, it's unlikely she'd enjoy either the environment or the food. If you're getting food together, better go for a midrange or downmarket place they would actually enjoy..[/QUOTE]Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my previous post. I would go out with the same Thermae girl that I've met lest time. I'm ok with one shot to begin the evening with and end it with another shot at night.

Even though I never had a full evening / night date I do think that you're right regarding WG's being great companions. That's why I never took any other girl with me for dinner. However, let's say that having been going to BKK for several years now, talking with this girl in Thermae and in my hotel room was pleasant without any form of awkwardness or uncomfortable silence. So perhaps I might give it a go if she's still around in the business.

Fancy dinner meaning having a rooftop bar dinner which I consider not to be that special but if she prefers to look into another culinary range then fine by me as well.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2414088]I reckon that 6 k Bath plus tip would be a fair price for an evening of let's say from 6 pm to 12 am?

Should include 2 shots and fancy dinner. To make it clear. I'm paying for the dinner. Haha![/QUOTE]You never have to pay a Thermae girl for time spent at dinner as long as you are decent looking or you can make them laugh. All Thai girls love to eat. Just propose dinner and a session for 2500. In fact, I have received this offer from Thermae girls in the past. They say next time we boom boom we can go for dinner first and price is still 2500.

You are overpaying if you pay a Thermae girl 6000 for 2 shots over 6 hours.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2413894]Was in bkk for 3 nights lately. This trip made me understand that anything above 5-6 k Bhatt a night is not worth it when in Thailand.

What do you think fellow Seniors??

Spent 3 days with a single gem and it was an experience at a total new level for me, including 3 somes and some other few first time checks from bucket list.[/QUOTE]Ben had a great quote, " Fish as well as Friends, begin to smell after 3 days". I'm in total agreement with Charlie Sheen, "I pay them to leave, not for sex". In my humble opinion anything over three hours is boring.

I have been to many short dinners, to meet the right Thai lady. When I say many I mean over 30, and I kept them short, 3 hours max. I never found that diamond in the rough. These were all non WG'S and all had good jobs and were simi professional.

Why you would waste good money on a WG for an expensive dinner is beyond me. She will be on her phone, and not really interested in you but instead her mind is on the next customer and income.

If your self esteem requires that you be seen at a roof top resto with a hot Thai lady, go for it. But her mind is in your wallet and she could care less about you except what and when you will pay her.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2414267]

If your self esteem requires that you be seen at a roof top resto with a hot Thai lady, go for it. But her mind is in your wallet and she could care less about you except what and when you will pay her.

[/QUOTE]Great advice for newbies, and serves as a reminder to folks who think they know everything.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2414290]Great advice for newbies, and serves as a reminder to folks who think they know everything.[/QUOTE]Thank you all for the advice for a guy that doesn't know all. I'm only after sex and company for money with this girl. I don't have doubt that she's doing it for the money. That's how I met her after all. I'm sure she's not looking for the man of her dreams in a pace like Thermae nor am I looking for the lady of my dreams in that joint.

The conversations we had were amusing back then and sex was great. Never had a BKK WG that had something interesting to say before. So let's say that she did a good job.

Of course I'll keep Banana Boi comment in mind too and see how she responds. If it's going to happen that is. Still will take about two months or so that I'm going to return so chance are relatively slim that I'm going to meet her again.

Firstly thanks to the members of the forum who responded to my recent queries. In the end I only had one night in Bangkok! Other reports to follow in Phnom Penh and posted already in KL.

Went to Thermae. Really did not like how it works. Girls around perimeter and centre. I only saw one stunning blonde girl with great tits I wanted. She seemed more interested in her phone than anything. Got eye contact and asked her if she wanted to come for a drink. She wanted to know straight off if I would do LT and I said no. That was the end of that. Second circuit and nothing took my fancy. Into Nana Plaza. Don't know why. Like Bangla Road in Phuket and Walking Street in Pattaya it is just not for me. Gave up on the night and went to play pool in Hilary on Soi 4. Met a stunning girl who was a great pool player. She did her best to get me to take her fat friend too. No deal. She escorts me to another pool bar and an even hotter girl pool player! After 2 hours of drinking, some food and great fun I took them both back to the Sheraton (no issues on taking them in) for 2500 baht each. Had a fantastic night. Shame it was only one. Loved Hilary and there were many other options and would return.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2414303] if she wanted to come for a drink. She wanted to know straight off if I would do LT and I said no. That was the end of that.[/QUOTE]Thermae is not a regular bar. It's more like a fishbowl except girls stand. Girls don't get money for lady drinks so it is rare they want to waste time sitting and having a drink with you. I have never had a Thermae girl ask for LT straight away. Many Thermae girls don't even do LT.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2414267]Ben had a great quote, " Fish as well as Friends, begin to smell after 3 days". I'm in total agreement with Charlie Sheen, "I pay them to leave, not for sex". In my humble opinion anything over three hours is boring.

I have been to many short dinners, to meet the right Thai lady. When I say many I mean over 30, and I kept them short, 3 hours max. I never found that diamond in the rough. These were all non WG'S and all had good jobs and were simi professional.

Why you would waste good money on a WG for an expensive dinner is beyond me. She will be on her phone, and not really interested in you but instead her mind is on the next customer and income.

If your self esteem requires that you be seen at a roof top resto with a hot Thai lady, go for it. But her mind is in your wallet and she could care less about you except what and when you will pay her.

RL.[/QUOTE]I, myself don't enjoy long flings. Mostly it is Boom Boom Bye!. This was a one off experience where I connected with the gal. If its about money, I paid her far less then I would have spent otherwise. In total I paid her 15 k bhat for 3 days. She even saved some money for me. We discussed about having a threesome and I was discussing with BGE for Bell, but after checking the price (12 k Bhat) she intervened and got some one else to come over for just 3 k bhat.

When you spend more then a night with anyone you need lot more then just good sex. I can't imagine spending so much time with anyone with no common interests and point of discussions.

Regarding expensive dinners. We are paying the ladies and are not there to impress her to bed. I would not take the lady to any place where I would not think of going to dinner alone, when in the city, be it a fancy place or otherwise!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2414380]This was a one off experience where I connected with the gal. If its about money, I paid her far less then I would have spent otherwise. In total I paid her 15 k bhat for 3 days. [/QUOTE]I think 5 k per 24/7 day is a fair price for a gogo girl and that's what I paid in the past when I first came to Thailand. Some guys may say that was overpaying and for what I know now I was definitely overpaying. If she was a normal bar girl or a massage girl I would pay MUCH less than 5k for 24/7 day. However, it's your money and as long as you had fun it's worth it.

Have a hotel near Thermae, don't want to boom boom at the hotel over the bar. I really like the idea of dinner then taking her back to my hotel 10-15 min walk away. Can someone recommend a restaurant near Thermae? Maybe where its only 500 baht per person? Or do the ladies expect a fancy meal?

Have a hotel near Thermae, don't want to boom boom at the hotel over the bar. I really like the idea of dinner then taking her back to my hotel 10-15 min walk away. Can someone recommend a restaurant near Thermae? Maybe where its only 500 baht per person? Or do the ladies expect a fancy meal?

[QUOTE=GeneralM;2414555]Or do the ladies expect a fancy meal?[/QUOTE]They don't expect a meal, just your money.

[QUOTE=GeneralM;2414553]Have a hotel near Thermae, don't want to boom boom at the hotel over the bar. I really like the idea of dinner then taking her back to my hotel 10-15 min walk away. Can someone recommend a restaurant near Thermae? Maybe where its only 500 baht per person? Or do the ladies expect a fancy meal?[/QUOTE]I used in the past Soi 13 Beer Garden around between Thermae and Sofitel hotel around 300 meter in the Soi. Alternative could be Hooters at Soi 15 (although t it was closed for renovation end of November when I was there last time. You can reach hooters by taking the backdoor of Thermae; if the girl has good English knowledge you can make already a joke around that you love backdoor so much; around 10 years ago you could easy select girls who offered anal, they where standing on the left side. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2414661]I used in the past Soi 13 Beer Garden around between Thermae and Sofitel hotel around 300 meter in the Soi. Alternative could be Hooters at Soi 15 (although t it was closed for renovation end of November when I was there last time. You can reach hooters by taking the backdoor of Thermae; if the girl has good English knowledge you can make already a joke around that you love backdoor so much; around 10 years ago you could easy select girls who offered anal, they where standing on the left side. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]There is a nice roof top resto at Sofitel. Right next to Thermae. You can order drinks and Pu Pu's in the outside rooftop resto. For full meals you need to go inside. Prices are ok and not too expensive. Very private and you can talk some serious business with her.

I personally would not take a lady from Thermae to another bar. Too many mongers in there and they will be loud and noisy. You do not want to eat a large meal if you plan to have sex after. All your energy in your body is digesting dinner. Eat lite and fuck long.

RL.

First, thank you Robert and Somewhere for some good dinner options and good advice. Especially not to overeat (smile).

Does anyone recommend any agencies? I clicked on the Absolute Angel Ad, and it seems there are some beauties in there. If the photos are accurate, 5 k for two hours and two shots seems reasonable. No? From what I understand the Thermae Ladies are generally 2500-3 k and one hour? Or am I wrong on that?

YngMong just posted a concise, very informative trip report of his recent adventures in BKK. I have moved it over here to the BKK Reports section in case anyone missed it. The key points I liked were 1. Street Food is good 2. You are probably going to spend more than you planned on, but don't let that curtail your activities. You only live once! HA HA. 3. Try to check out as many different venues (Go Go's, SW's, Hostess bars, & massage parlors) as you can, but don't spread yourself out too thin and try to see & do everything. It is most important to take the time to smell the roses of which there are many.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2414473]Arrived via DMK could not get a grab taxi was about 350 baht 45 minutes. Got a sim with DTAC next True Move booth was cheaper then theirs.

Stayed at the Ibis 4, about $35 usd a night room was clean basic but good. The only dislike was the strong smell of cleaner chemical when checked in. Few hours of running the AC solved that. Its about 3-5 minute walk from NP. There is an amazing food setup on the sidewalk same aide right next door best fried rice and pad Thai 50 baht each. Lots of foreigners and Thai eating there. Also midway there is a lady that sells the best fried chicken I ever had. There's a few she was around or just a bit past Hillary 2.

Checked in and took the BTS to see View at Tulip more in depth posted there but short summary good experience but with so much on offer in BKK I would not go back especially if staying for a few days. She was the only decent looking one.

Later in afternoon hit up Hilary 2 for beers and pool. Best day time bar IMO for atmosphere, location and ladies although More on that later. Met a wingman which was nice as I found it a lot more fun.

Early evening hit up Soi Cowboy. Started with Suzie as I heard there was a ping pong show. Place sucked. Skip it.

Next Kazy Kozy. This is my top GG entertainment wise. Most of the time ot was girls trying to half ass dance around on the stage but when the shoe started, Jesus F Christ. Talking about girls dripping hot candle wax on each other, girl pulling a 10 ft long string of flowers from her puss and the cherry on top a full on fuck fest with a strap on. Wild highly recommended. Lots of hotties.

Then back to Nana check out Spankys, which was good but hard to top Kazy Kozy and perhaps but don't remember so must of been not memorable. My wingman found his friend the night but I wasn't feeling anything decided to make the walk of shame back hotel alone. Decided to stroll by the infamous Nana sign to see what was left. Stumbled across a cutie around 22-25 named Flour then realized she's part of the deaf squad, something I wanted to try as part of some sick craving I had watching some off the bkk112 videos. 1500 baht st didn't bother negotiations as was good for me. The pace she was running to my hotel I could tell she wanted to be over quick. Whatever I was tired and drunk. She was a blast, so tiny I could almost launch her with a hard thrust. Although this is terrible the squeals she made were fantastic. Especially when I unexpectedly blasted over her body. Was a quick but fun session. Then sleep as I had an early start next day doing a bicycle tour which I would also highly recommend. Got back to Nana around 7 of a full day of sun good food and exploring some off beaten parts of Bangkok.

Friend and I decided to hit up Billboard which was pretty good and then butterflies again I wasn't really seeing anything I wanted to barfine and was quite enjoying buying a ld and trying out a girl for a few minutes. Finally mammasan brought me a 22 tall nice tits innocent smile but smile eyes that said fuck me please. No brainer 1200 baht BF 3 k st 5000 LT it was still early and I had nasty plans for her I took her LT. She could definitely be in a tul tuk patrol video. My friend wasn't seeing anything he liked but my dates suggested she knew someone at playskoop the gogo she use to work out but which we found out that it had much less traffic then butterflies she moved. Went down to playskool all the girls recognized her and were eager to have some customers as there only a few. We started buying drinks and the girls there were eager to please getting really down and dirty I would recommend this place to have some fun for throwing a few baht as the girls seemed willing. The shots were flowing and I could tell my 22 year old was starting to get drunk and I said better get out of here before she ends up passing out. Long story short got her to drunk and she had to leave still had a great time and just paid her short time 3 k and was a bit pissed I let her drink so much.

I was still hungry for more so I went for a stroll back to see what was left it was quite late. Found a nice girl early 30's named Pin who had excellent English. After doing the LB inquiry she quoted me 1000 baht as it was last call I took her back and had a good time. Found out after she does A+ or 500 more. I regret not knowing about it earlier.

Last day woke up a bit later and hit up Doki Doki, a solid line up but no names I could find reviews on here. Ended up going with Honey who was full bodied but not fat with perfect size and feel fakes. Took the 90 minutes. Highlight of the trip what fun. Was my first time with Nuru and Honey really took her work seriously and looked after you. She did this leg lock siccsor fuck while I lay on my stomach, blew my mind. Also 2 course rimming for over 10 minutes. My friend who went the day before picked a skinny and tiny girl name unknown and got a+ but when I asked reception was not offered by anyone.

Had dinner at China town, was great with lots of delicious food options and lots of people fun to see.

We decided to BF two ladies 750 baht I think 2 k st I think 3 k LT from Hilary 4, them mine and other don't know name went back to Cowboy to Kazy Kozy check out a LB bar just for shits and giggles and then some dancing at at Country something.

After bars shut headed back to hotel she ended up being super weird and a horrible and disappointing experience for my last conquest in town for most likely a long time. Not sure if her name is them but that's how she pronounced it. She fair skin 36 pretty but I would recommend skipping.

Here's my summary and advice as a first timer for other first timers in this lovely city.

Stay in short walking distance to Nana.

Need money to have fun. I blew my budget by a lot but don't regret it spent where it counts in this order ass, drinks hotel and eating cheap delicious street food. Drinks were not as cheap as I thought and this ate my budget a lot.

The one night me and my buddy took bar girls we were both disappointed. His was super shy and not very fun in bed while I explained mine. The extra cost of the go go is well worth it that and you get an up close inspection with little or no clothes on and girls just seem to be more wild of course doesn't snt mean you could end up getting a starfish in bed.

My experiences with the FL were good and safe although that might not be the case for everyone.

Don't take tuk tuks even short distance they are a rip off, bike, taxi or grab.

Must try Nuru massage at least once.

Thais are so tiny and cute.

Bangkok Nana / Cowboy is definitely the best of all the mongering locations I have been in SEA if not the world.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2414267]If your self esteem requires that you be seen at a roof top resto with a hot Thai lady, go for it. But her mind is in your wallet and she could care less about you except what and when you will pay her.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Now for an unpopular opinion: Some guys arrive in Thailand carrying their western values and think that all working girls are poor and have never experienced the good life. So these guys take the girls out to a 1,500 THB dinner thinking they're the girls' knight in shining armor. But the reality is the girls couldn't care less about dinner with us punters or where it happens to be. Put that dinner money towards their tip if you're going to go that route.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2414913]Agreed. Now for an unpopular opinion: Some guys arrive in Thailand carrying their western values and think that all working girls are poor and have never experienced the good life. So these guys take the girls out to a 1,500 THB dinner thinking they're the girls' knight in shining armor. But the reality is the girls couldn't care less about dinner with us punters or where it happens to be. Put that dinner money towards their tip if you're going to go that route.[/QUOTE]I agree with you 100%. Contrary to some guy's beliefs, that little Thai girl we're with likely makes more money than we do. Their income is tax free. A top gogo girl gets 5000 for LT plus 500 tip, let's say she cleared 20 drinks in a night that's another 1000 baht, then she is paid for her contract say 1000 baht each night although in many cases it's more. Then she has maybe 3+ sponsors each giving her maybe 30,000 per month (1000 per night). That totals 8500 baht ($279 USD) per night with no taxes. That's over 100,000 USD net per year. I'm certain not many guys make that much.

This doesn't only apply to gogo girls. In the Good Old days of 2016, I knew some top massage and Soi 6 girls who saw 8 customers per day. Even at 1,000 plus 100 tip, they made $289 USD net per day.

As for dinner, Thai girls don't care about fancy restaurants. Want to make a Thai girl happy? Take her to a Thai restaurant or buy her some street food for 80 baht. Take her to a hot pot place like Shabushi or MK or a Japanese restaurant like Fuji. I have taken girls to nice Western restaurants and they go straight to the Thai section of the menu!

Bangkok Beat was always my fav bar. Good bands, beer was a reasonable price, nice venue, great location and the girls were great, mostly casual SW's.

But of course it's long gone now. Where would you recommend that might be similar?

I usually end up at Hillary 4 these days, seems to have the same girls there. Is there a better place, I do like to watch the bands.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=CrudeDirk;2415008]Bangkok Beat was always my fav bar. Good bands, beer was a reasonable price, nice venue, great location and the girls were great, mostly casual SW's.

But of course it's long gone now. Where would you recommend that might be similar?

I usually end up at Hillary 4 these days, seems to have the same girls there. Is there a better place, I do like to watch the bands.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Some of the bands at BB were also abysmal, and just too loud to do any talking. Ha ha.

I found the band with Philippine singers at Corner Bar Soi Cowboy, that starts up after midnight to be reasonably talented (at least acceptable sound to my ears), and taking requests. The before midnight band was just heavy metal out of tune yelling. Hopeless.

There are some hostesses there too.

I am sure there are some better locations else where, but I generally hate discos.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2414946]
As for dinner, Thai girls don't care about fancy restaurants. Want to make a Thai girl happy? Take her to a Thai restaurant or buy her some street food for 80 baht. Take her to a hot pot place like Shabushi or MK or a Japanese restaurant like Fuji. I have taken girls to nice Western restaurants and they go straight to the Thai section of the menu![/QUOTE]I agree with some. I once took Mrs to expensive French restaurant. She did not understand the food really, and was upset about how many thousand baht wasted on the bill.

She likes Japanese, now that I got her used to raw fish, however Fuji is really at the shitty end of the Japanese spectrum, okay For Thai girls that don't know any better. A vastly higher quality can be found. Fuji is sort of pretending to be Japanese but you won't see Japanese guys eating there, I think.

You certainly are an optimist when it comes to girl earnings. While it is true that the elite hookers are making big money, it is certainly not the norm, with many girls struggling to get customers sufficiently, they could be the very plain lookers. This adds even more to the girl not being impressed if the good money gets wasted on food instead of on her. Girls can admire a posh hotel room, but they really don't care if they are getting paid well, and room is at least clean.

Some girls can have very high amounts to pay each month for the child's education, so even they earn a lot can still be struggling with the bills. I recall only really 1 regular girl for last few years that was really making big money. She was a gogo girl, body just perfect and could do 3+ short times per night, sometimes more on a busy night. Not keen on LT naturally, unless her regular customer.

Saying you would like to pay less than 5K for a girl per 24 hours, flies in the face of the girl making big money. Inconsistent. The girl I know making big money certainly would not do 24 hours for as little as 5K when she could get multiple STs per day, and be left lots of time to herself.

[QUOTE=GeneralM;2414555]Have a hotel near Thermae, don't want to boom boom at the hotel over the bar. I really like the idea of dinner then taking her back to my hotel 10-15 min walk away. Can someone recommend a restaurant near Thermae? Maybe where its only 500 baht per person? Or do the ladies expect a fancy meal?[/QUOTE]You first meet and fuck with a girl is certainly not a date. Don't bother. Once you know each other for a long time, and there is a certain chemistry developing then can go for a date if she is interested. Better not to get emotionally hooked on hookers though.

Many of us got Girlfriends accidentally without meaning to. If its a hooker though, you can be sure her motivation is financial, at least at the start, and maybe forever.

I don't really understand what Escorts are for other than sex, so maybe I am biased. I don't need to hire a girl just to have her listen to me yack, but can get such a girl in a bar like Crazy Cats, if needed.

Only a small portion of the girls are educated to very good English levels.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2414913]Agreed. Now for an unpopular opinion: Some guys arrive in Thailand carrying their western values and think that all working girls are poor and have never experienced the good life. So these guys take the girls out to a 1,500 THB dinner thinking they're the girls' knight in shining armor. But the reality is the girls couldn't care less about dinner with us punters or where it happens to be. Put that dinner money towards their tip if you're going to go that route.[/QUOTE]If I may offer a possible reason some first time Bkk punters might think a special dinner in a fancy restaurant is in order for some of these Thai girls; look at their photos and profiles on the dating sites from ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly all the way down to booty call sites like Tinder. LOL. Many of the girls, including upfront honest Freelancers, feature pics of themselves glammed up in cocktail dresses, raising a long stemmed wine glass at a table with an ice bucket and a champagne bottle wrapped in linen!

I have lost count of how many Thai hookers on those sites post pics of themselves standing in front of the Eiffel Tower or on a gondola in Venice! LOL. And not selfies. Some dude who has taken them there is unseen behind the camera phone.

So I can see why many punters planning to come to Bkk for the first time but have perused the online meeting sites could have the wrong impression of what it takes to inspire some of these girls to drop their panties with a smile rather than begrudgingly. Or is it slowing getting closer to the right impression these days. Only tme will tell.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2414739]Eat lite and fuck long.[/QUOTE]That sir is a phrase that pays.

Love your work.

I don't get the argument taking a working girl to dinner is a waste of time and money and means nothing to her. I agree taking her to a high end overpriced restaurant will not impress her any more than taking her somewhere more reasonably priced and importantly serves food she likes. In my opinion it does make a difference for both parties and results in a better experience back in the room. The stereotypical image of the money grubbing uneducated uncultured country girl only good for fucking is sadly all too prevalent particularly among the older, more tired and generally disgruntled with life mongers. If you are willing to pay her for her time why not spend some of it getting to know her over a plate of som tam and a glass of the house wine. Who knows just maybe just possibly you might learn something new something interesting you didn't know about Thai girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2414946]

As for dinner, Thai girls don't care about fancy restaurants. Want to make a Thai girl happy? Take her to a Thai restaurant or buy her some street food for 80 baht. Take her to a hot pot place like Shabushi or MK or a Japanese restaurant like Fuji. I have taken girls to nice Western restaurants and they go straight to the Thai section of the menu![/QUOTE]Yeah this is right on. My Thai friends would say the same about themselves (I have to assume these girls don't feel too different). Hotpot, sushi, thai seafood or issan food, or just local thai, that's what they want when they go out a lot of the time. Some fancy overpriced Bangkok restaurant or western restaurant is more like a once in a while thing, its not what they would often choose.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2415103]I don't get the argument taking a working girl to dinner is a waste of time and money and means nothing to her. I agree taking her to a high end overpriced restaurant will not impress her any more than taking her somewhere more reasonably priced and importantly serves food she likes. In my opinion it does make a difference for both parties and results in a better experience back in the room. The stereotypical image of the money grubbing uneducated uncultured country girl only good for fucking is sadly all too prevalent particularly among the older, more tired and generally disgruntled with life mongers. If you are willing to pay her for her time why not spend some of it getting to know her over a plate of som tam and a glass of the house wine. Who knows just maybe just possibly you might learn something new something interesting you didn't know about Thai girls.[/QUOTE]Interesting view. Yes although Thai girls have to think about money, there is all range of personalities, from semi-hooker to hardened hooker. Casual part time hookers were more prevalent yesteryear. Hookers that wanted to go on a "date" certainly existed. We should not look down on a girl purely because she is a hooker out of financial necessity. However working in a bar too long changes a girl.

If you just met, I doubt that you are experience the real girl, and she will not experience the real you most likely. Girls can put on an act. Yes plenty of times I have taken a girl to eat if she was hungry, but just to be easy going. The girls will typically order more food than they actually will eat, suggesting dishes for the guy that he might even like at all, e. G. Stir fry pork with Chinese Broccoli and Oyster sauce because its sweet and not spicy. I actually would not really like to eat it, and nor would the girl, but she ordered it. So its important to find out what the girl actually wants to eat and best not to let her order.

Girls can potentially take guys to restaurant where they get a kick back (commission). Don't let the girl choose a very expensive seafood restaurant where she may be getting a high kick back. Generally don't let the girl choose. Too many times it turns out bad. There are exceptions. Don't eat where a taxi driver suggests too. Commission applies.

I have eaten on the street with bar girls that don't fuck too. You have to make a distinction about when you want her conversational company and when you want sex.

Sex is best on an empty stomach. I would prefer to have sex first and then take her to eat afterwards if the chemistry is going good. Otherwise you can waste money on the meal only to find out she is a complete dud on the bed, and is not really wanting your dick at all.

I still maintain you ought to know a girl a bit better before taking her out to eat, and then find something mutually suitable, without wasting big bucks.

I got a several days sick dose of food poisoning once, after allowing the well known MP girl to choose an Italian restaurant in Soi 19. The lamb had gone off and I thought the weird taste was the truffle sauce. Ha ha. If I had chosen, it clearly would not have happened. I don't really go for Italian anyway. Yes bad luck, but I have several less than great experiences when a girl chose. Years later the girl redeemed herself taking me to a really fun Japanese restaurant (Japanese owner with Thai wife) with great quality food too. Later the restaurant went to crap after was sold to Thais.

Sometimes a hooker wants to get a real massage, so you can go to a real massage place together, or to the movies, or to dinner. If get on great can take her away on a several day holiday, obviously with lots of meals involved, lots of sex, and lots of play. One of my best holidays ever with the MP girl.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2415350]Sex is best on an empty stomach. I would prefer to have sex first and then take her to eat afterwards if the chemistry is going good. Otherwise you can waste money on the meal only to find out she is a complete dud on the bed, and is not really wanting your dick at all.

I still maintain you ought to know a girl a bit better before taking her out to eat, and then find something mutually suitable, without wasting big bucks.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have always have lot's of energy for sex on an empty stomach, but sex on a full stomach really slows me down and I get so lazy in bed. That is why I prefer to eat afterwards and if I like the girl I will invite her to accompany me. She is free to do what she likes; go to dinner, return to her bar, or do whatever with her friends somewhere far from Sukhumvit. Thus it evolves that having a couple of drinks in the bar, boom boom in my room, and then dinner out becomes the norm with all my favorite repeat girls. And sometimes after I put them in a taxi and we say goodbye, somewhere between midnight and 2am, I go out looking for new. Ha Ha. That's one of the reasons why I like BKK so much.

But it is always best NOT to take a girl somewhere she won't like and it is a usually a waste of money to take her to an expensive restaurant she most likely won't appreciate. Most Thai girls I know like Isan food and street food. They also enjoy Thai family BBQ restaurants where its all you can eat / grill your own meats and seafood at your table style and boy, can Thai girls eat. 555. Some Thai girls like Sukiyaki style restaurants like MK Gold and a few girls like Sushi if they have been exposed to it previously. So again, it is always best to go with the flow and to ask them what they like, but if you don't like Thai food maybe think about Sao Paulo instead of BKK. I love Thai food.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2411273]To be perfectly honest the bouncers probably saved you some money. If you like the young cute innocent types that East Asian dudes usually go for, those girls in Rainbow (specifically RB3 & RB4) and Baccara (ground floor) basically only look for Asian customers, and every once in a while, a white guy.

What I mean is, yes the bouncers were racist outside, but a lot of the girls inside would be just as bad. The last thing you want is to see a 9/10-10/10, ask the waitress to bring her down for a drink, and have the girl decline the drink.

Stick to Billboards / Butterflies / Spankys / Angelwitch.[/QUOTE]I haven't had a problem at Rainbow 4 or Rainbow 2. The last time time I was in Bangkok I pulled what I thought was the hottest woman from each. Performance sucked though. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2415359]Some Thai girls like Sukiyaki style restaurants like MK Gold. if you don't like Thai food maybe think about Sao Paulo instead of BKK. I love Thai food.[/QUOTE]"Some Thai girls"? I think all Thai girls like MK. That's where I take Thai girls because it always makes both of us happy. I prefer the regular MK over MK Gold. I could eat at MK every day. However, I'm not a big fan of Thai food in general. There's no need to like Thai food when in Bangkok because every food under the sun is available in Bangkok. I eat western food every day in Bangkok when I am not eating at MK.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2415359]I agree. I have always have lot's of energy for sex on an empty stomach, but sex on a full stomach really slows me down and I get so lazy in bed. That is why I prefer to eat afterwards and if I like the girl I will invite her to accompany me. She is free to do what she likes; go to dinner, return to her bar, or do whatever with her friends somewhere far from Sukhumvit. Thus it evolves that having a couple of drinks in the bar, boom boom in my room, and then dinner out becomes the norm with all my favorite repeat girls. And sometimes after I put them in a taxi and we say goodbye, somewhere between midnight and 2am, I go out looking for new. Ha Ha. That's one of the reasons why I like BKK so much.

But it is always best NOT to take a girl somewhere she won't like and it is a usually a waste of money to take her to an expensive restaurant she most likely won't appreciate. Most Thai girls I know like Isan food and street food. They also enjoy Thai family BBQ restaurants where its all you can eat / grill your own meats and seafood at your table style and boy, can Thai girls eat. 555. Some Thai girls like Sukiyaki style restaurants like MK Gold and a few girls like Sushi if they have been exposed to it previously. So again, it is always best to go with the flow and to ask them what they like, but if you don't like Thai food maybe think about Sao Paulo instead of BKK. I love Thai food.[/QUOTE]Agreed a pig fest especially with large portioned starchy dishes doesn't help energy levels and can end up with Jack laid out and Jill trying her best to get a pop out of him. Personally I find rice in particular slows me so if it's a pre-show meal I tend to stick to the tried and tested lean meat two veg option after which I'm good to go.

The success or otherwise of taking a girl to dinner can depend a lot on her being able to speak your lingo which usually means English and her willingness and ease sharing her story and her feelings. If she spends the time on her phone and isn't interested in communicating that makes for an uncomfortable vibe.

For me it comes down to is what you are looking for. If it's just a shag then no need for dinner but if you want it to be something more I. E. The so called fantasy GFE what better to find it than playing footsie at Shabu Shabu.

Another issue to consider is whether she in on the clock or not. Paying an extra 1000 baht plus an hour on top of the check and the agreed service fee can cause a serious loss of appetite.

Three nights in Bangkok: Night 1 - Thursday. Bad.

I was last in Thailand in Nov 2018 - Phuket and Bangkok. Since then, I have been working way too much, and needed a vacation. A big work project suddenly resolved, so I booked a last minute 4 day /3 night trip to Bangkok. Bought a very expensive business class ticket so I could sleep on the plane and try hit the ground running on arrival. Plan did not work out as well as I had hoped, at least at first. I have only ever hit Soi Cowboy, when in Bangkok, and I stay at the Pullman hotel just up the street from the gogo bars there. But this trip I ended up branching out and checking other venues. Mostly because about half of the Soi Cowby bars are now rip off joints. Owned by "the man from Iran."

Night 1 - wandered up and down Soi cowboy, checking out the girls trying to pull guys into the various rip off joints owned by the man from Iran. Spice girls, Rio, Kiss, Sahara, Deja Vu. However, I forgot this point as the night went on. Saw a super thin cute little gal outside Spice Girls and thought I would love to have sex with her. But knew the only thing that would happened would be she would separate a lot of money from my wallet. She looked like a super thin JAV model, and was named "Tam-sin".

Made it down to Baccara. Baccara makes you buy a drink out side before you can go in, up to 11:30 pm After 11:30, you can just walk into the place. I stood around and as soon as they stopped making customers buy beers outside, I went in. First floor had quite a few reasonable gals. Then went up to the 2nd floor and was a bit disappointed. Nice that the gals were dancing topless, but did not see any that really interested me. Did see the Baccara gal I did back in Nov 2018 - she was terrible. See my late Nov 2018 report. She had bleached her hair. But otherwise still looked good. Nice big firm natural tits, but shitty service from her. Would not let me kiss her or do DATY back then, and was kind of a dead lay. I think she recognized me and I was tempted to bar fine her again. Just to see if I could kiss and DATY her, and try and get her turned on. Maybe even do a grudge fuck bareback. But realized I would likely get in trouble for that. Ended up drinking quite bit at Bacarra, maybe hoping that someone really good would come walking back into the bar.

After a while, I left Bacarra and saw the super thin little hottie outside Spice Girls again- her name was Tam-sin. Was not thinking clearly and stupidly approached her and said I wanted to buy her a lady drink. Moment I walked in, knew it was not going to be good. Several very beautiful gals dancing on stage. But there were no customers inside. With the alcohol and my dick doing the thinking for me, I ordered her the lady drink, and then saw the bill. "Coyote tequila drink 550 Baht" I tried to look cool and calm, in light of this bar bill, and proceeded to chat with her for bit. She said she was 20, from just over the Mekong river from Thailand, in Laos, although she looked more like a little JAV model, and weighted 38 kilos (84 pounds). With my thumb and middle finger I could wrap around her upper arm /"bicep" area and have my middle finger and thumb touch. I immediately began thinking about comparing my cock with her arm, and got really horny. Knowing some places have a two lady drink minimum before one can bar fine, I stupidly ordered her another Coyote lady drink. Then asked about barfine and ST / LT. She let me know that she is not available for bar fine and will go home at two am When her shift is over. It was an expensive lesson. Next day, I RTFF and realized what bars to avoid during the rest of my trip. Like I said, this was the "bad" night.

I then left Spice Girls and hit Cowboy 2, Tilac, and Crazy Cat. Cowboy 2 had lots of hot girls, while Crazy had several real beauties. I decided that a thin little gal I had seen gyrating on stage at Cowboy 2 was the best option, so I went back there. She was taken, but saw "Jenny" instead. Short thin little gal. About 40 kg and 150 cm (5 ft) tall. Quite large breasts for such a short thin gal, but it turned out to be a padded bra. Bar fine for Jenny was 3,000 Baht!! WTF??? I could not believe it. And all of the hot gals at Cowboy 2 had this 3,0000 Baht bar fine. There were also a number of lesser gals in less revealing outfits that only had a 1,000 Baht BF. But the quality drop off was obvious.

As it was getting late, and I was still thinking with my dick, I paid the 3,000 be bar fine and 3,000 be ST with Jenny. She made me pay both at the club. Not a good sign. As were walking back to the hotel, she started saying that I had to pay her 3,000 be for short time. But, I had just paid her the ST money back at Cowboy 2. Eventually, I got her to agree that yes I had already paid both her and the BF back at the bar. I was starting to think that the entire night might be one big expensive lesson on what not to do in BKK.

When we got to the room, the kissing was just okay. She did not really get turned on by the DATY, and when I started fucking her with the condom on, I could not feel a thing. Between the jet lag, the booze, and the vitamin V I had taken. Switched to doggy, but I first slipped the condom off and went in bareback. She was not very wet at all. After some strokes, realized I needed to hit the reset button. Pulled out, got some more lube, and started aggressive DATY on her, hoping to turn her on. Used a bunch of lube and put another condom on. After some covered mish, still not feeling much, I again switched to bareback doggy. Realized I was too tired and drunk to accomplish anything and called it quits. As she was getting dressed, "Jenny" asked for a tip. I responded for what. I did not come, and that the fuck was not very good. Asked her why do you think you deserve a tip? She just looked at me confused. A very expensive evening with nothing really to show for it, except maybe relearning some lessons I had stupidly forgotten.

But vowed to RTFF and check out some other places. Such as Thermae and Nana. The next day.

Three nights in Bangkok: Night 2 - Friday. Better.

Spent the afternoon RTFF and looking at videos shot from inside Thermae to get a sense of what to expect there. Also realized that at Soi Cowboy, one should avoid the following rip off joints. Rio, Sahara, Kiss Deja Vu, Spice Girls and Midnight. They all have lots of hot gals standing outside, but no customers. Total clip joints all owned by the "man from Iran. ".

On the other hand, the following Soi Cowboy bars be worth checking out. Bacarra; Crazy House; Crazy Cat, Toy Bar, AfterSkool, Dollhouse; Lighthouse; Shark, and Tilac, depending on one's tastes in clubs, music, atmosphere, and women.

Later that afternoon, I walked down Sukhumvit, and found where Thermae is. That evening, Went there at about 9 pm. placed was packed, but I was the only white guy there - everyone else was Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or another Asian. Bought a beer as I came in and did two laps. Was somewhat surprised at the quality. There were several gals who appeared quite good - although a little hard to tell when they are sitting down and not wearing very revealing outfits. Were quite a few nasty ones too - including a short 60+ yr old grandmother. Yuck!

On my next trip to BBK, I might have to stay at a hotel somewhere between Soi Cowboy and Thermae, so I can take some free lance ST galsfrom Thermae back to my room for a 9 p.m. early warm up session before hitting Soi Cowboy for a little late night fucking.

Decided to go back to Soi Cowboy and stopped to eat at a food cart along the way. Saw Tam-sin, this time looking very nice in a tight police type uniform outside of Deja Vu - she had been at Spice Gals the prior night. I waved to her, but kept walking. Hit Bacarra after 11:30, but did not stay for long. Then had a good time bouncing around between Crazy Cat, Dollhouse, Lighthouse and Tilac. At one of these bars, I saw two gals dancing on stage next to each other and decided I just had to have one of them. "P" was about 20, looked very young and innocent with a nice little body."F" was really skinny, 22 yrs old, hardly any tits, but a very pretty face and beautiful long hair. Turns out "P' and "F are half-sisters - same mother. "F" got off the stage first and had seen me eyeing her. I waved her over and bought her a lady drink.

She was a really cute and fun gal. We had a good time talking, laughing, couch dancing and drinking. Mamasan came over and I asked about bar fine. She said, wait until 1 a.m., about 20 minutes away, and then bar fine for "F" will only be 700 Baht. Bought Mamasan a drink and had a good laugh or two with her, along with "F." Once it hit 1 a.m, I paid the bar fine and I left with hot little "F", after negotiating the ST deal. Not sure why I bought mamasan a drink, but the karma paid off later on in the trip.

After shower, "F" and I started kissing and I began lots of DATY. She got so wet and came at least once as I did DATY. Also finger fucked her pussy and she got very wet. Condom went on and started in mish, but could not feel much. Stopped the mish, took the condom off and started with more DATY. Made sure she came at least one more time. Then entered her bareback in doggy, then pushed her down to the bed, so she was flat on her stomach and fucked her hard. She then rode on top me for a bit. I made sure to slide my cock in her as I was not sure she was aware we were barebacking. Then we did some more mish, before I put her legs up on my shoulders, put my hands around her slender waist, and pounded her hard. She was going crazy as I pulled out and came on her stomach. She was a little surprised having cum all over her stomach, but I pointed to the condom that was still in my fist, and she must have assumed I pulled out, took the condom off and jerked off on her stomach. Toweled the come off her and she sort of staggered to the bathroom. As she staggered back from the bathroom, all weak legged, I asked if something was wrong. She just said, good fuck, good fuck. I said okay, let me give you a nice massage to help you recover your muscle control. I massaged her for a while, all with some great DFK. She then left after I gave her a reasonable tip on top of the ST deal..

Three nights in Bangkok: Night 3 - Saturday - Best

It was great fun each morning trying to speak basic Thai to the cute 20-something gals who work at the hotel's breakfast buffet each morning - "Mui" and "Thwy" especially.

Realized I had never been to Nana Plaza, so I researched that the following afternoon while sitting at the hotel pool. Late in the afternoon, I walked down to Nana Plaza - I found the Hooters, and the other bars around there that I recognized from videos, but did not see Nana Plaza, until I turned around and realized the lane I was standing in (right next to Big Dogs) was the actual entrance way to NP. Felt pretty dumb once I figured that out. Had a late dinner and at about 9 pm. I headed back up to NP, and hit Billboards and then Rainbow (2nd floor - I think it was #4). Was impressed with the quality of the Billboard babes - tall, thin almost model like, but they looked like 1) they knew they were beautiful; and 2) would charged accordingly; and 3) the service had better be amazing, but likely would not be. Rainbow (4?) was okay, when they went topless on stage was surprised by how many had fake boobs. There seemed to be a lot more ladyboy bars at NP than at Soi Cowboy, and they are a lot more aggressive at NP. On the way back, stopped in at Thermae at about 10:30 p.m. and it was jumping. Still a completely Asian crowd. I just bought a coke, as I wanted to pace myself that evening.

After a few laps at Thermae, headed back to Soi Cowboy and tried to find the bar where I had met "F" the prior night. Was hoping to try and fuck her younger sister "P." I walked in and did not recognized anyone in the bar, although knew I was in the right place. Got a beer and had a good laugh - each time a bar girl came back to the bar, in her street clothes from servicing a customer, the other girls would make a big scene and tease her. When the second gal returning walked in and was getting tease, she looked over at me, got a weird look on her face, immediately pulled out her mobile phone and made a call as she walked back out of the bar. A minute or two later, Mamasan comes in and quickly walked over to me, saying. "F" does not work on Saturday nights, but they called her and she is heading over to the bar now. She should be here in about 10 minutes as she lives close and is getting a motor bike ride over. "F" wants to see me again. Well there goes the plan to fuck her younger sister, "P"

"F" comes into the bar a few minutes later, wearing a revealing small top and bottom, but clearly not the bar's uniform for that night. [She had worn a little sun dress with this outfit underneath - she had gone in the back, taken off the sun dress and came out in the little top and bottom. She was both quite shy/embarrassed and also somewhat excited to see me. I felt like a rock star. I waved her over and she gave me a good hug. Turns out she does not work on Saturday nights as she goes to some type of college class about marketing every Sunday from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. She wanted to see me again, after our time last night, but told me she could not stay out too late, as she needs to go back home and go to bed by about 3 a.m.

Her younger sister "P" then walked in, wearing a small little light blue sun dress and got teased. Damn she looked so hot and cute, and I wanted to fuck her so badly. She was surprised to see her sister "F" but then saw me, laughed and waved to me. Mamasan asked if I could buy both her and "F" some lady drinks, since "F" had been scheduled to be off that day. Mamasan also asked if it would be okay if "F" went and danced on stage with the other girls as she wanted to have some fun and talk with her friends. I had thought that this whole story might be a bit of BS, but each of the gals coming back to the bar, were obviously surprised to see "F" up on the stage, until she pointed over to me, and then the other gals would laugh and wave to me. She must have said something to the other bar girls when she got back to the bar the previous nights. I just chilled out, talking to Mamasan, while "F" danced up a storm, having fun with her sister and the other bar gals. Just after 1 a.m., Mamasan said, that bar fine was now only 700B that I should leave with "F" so she can get up and go to class on Sunday.

"F" went and changed into the little sun dress she had worn to work and we headed up Soi Cowboy to my hotel. She was walking next to me, until a gal from one of the clip joints grabbed my arm and tried to pull me into the bar. (Think it was Deja Vu)."F" yells at the gal, and grabs my arm and we walk arm in arm back to the hotel. [No gal is taking her man!] When we get to Asok Road, she yells to a young guy on a motor bike and he takes off up the street. She tells me that is her friend who brought her over to the bar. As we approach the Pullman hotel, I see him siting waiting there, ready take her back home when she is done.

We go up to the room, and have a good conversation and a few laughs. She then says we should take showers, which we do, Start with lots of DFK, and she starts stroking my hard cock. I put some lube on it, and then begin lots of intense DATY on her, while massaging her perky little nipples. She goes crazy. I put more lube on my cock and enter her bareback in mish, and then put her legs up on my shoulders, grabbed her waist and started pounding her. We switched to doggy, before I pushed her down flat on the bed (on her stomach) and fucked her hard. Also pulled her hair, to raise her head and started DFK while fucking her. After a little bit, I say, that I am going to cum in her pussy, and realize that probably was not a smart thing to say. My arousal level drops a little, so I fuck her even harder, cuming inside her after about 8-10 more strokes. Fortunately, my cock stayed some what hard, after cuming (due to the Viagra) that I continued to fuck her some more. Not sure she noticed that I had cum inside her soaking wet little pussy. I then stopped, and started DATY her again, and finger fucking her, trying to get come of the cum out of her. I then put her legs on my shoulders and fucked her some more until I lost the erection. I then stopped and claimed that I was too tired from last night. We cuddled for a while and then she went to take a shower. While in the shower, she asked if I had finished. I assumed that she was asking if I had cum inside her, but denied I had cum, that I was too tired and had to stop.

After she got out of the shower, she talked about what her day would be like on Sunday, sleep from about 3 to 6:30, go to class from 8 to 3, take a nap, and then work at the bar from 10 to 4. She said she hated Sundays as it would just wear her out, but she wanted to see me again, and asked if I could come to the bar again on Sunday. I told her that I could not stay out late on Sunday, as I had an early flight out on Monday. She got upset and I told her I would get there early. In truth, I was actually leaving late Sunday afternoon, so I did not return to see her.

I gave her the ST money, plus a nice tip. She gave me a big hug when she saw the tip. I took a couple pics of her and then she left. I could see her get on the motor bike and head up Asok Road away from the hotel and Soi Cowboy. I then laid in bed for a while, thinking about her, and got rock hard again. I thought about heading out again, but knew I would be too tired to much if I did head out again.

Post script:

The next morning, Sunday, I went down to the breakfast buffet and Mui, one of the cuties that works in the restaurant, greeted me enthusiastically. She brought me a cup of coffee, and as I was taking a sip, asked if I had had a good night sleep last night. I almost spit the coffee out and thought about blurting out - "You are damn right a slept well last night, after I came inside a hot little thai bar girl's hot, wet pussy." But I composed myself and said yes, I had been very tired and that I had gotten a good night sleep. We then chatted and laughed for a bit.

My plan has been to work hard, save up a bunch of money, and retire early to a life of fun in the sun and fucking young girls. This trip was a very expensive last minute trip, and I am already thinking about how and when I can return to BKK. I fear that my early retirement plans may soon be altered, if I do many more trips like this one. It was really fun however.

Been a little more than year since I was last in Thailand, will be making a trip in Feb, 4 days in Pattaya then 4 in BKK. Many thanks to Elmo for the report, especially on which bars to avoid as I kept to WeChat and TF last time around, but looking to visit the bars more on the upcoming trip.

Quick question, how was your room at the Pullman? I booked a standard King but contemplating upgrading.

Went to "plaza entertainment complex" today to fulfil a old dream of soapy. Went there at approx 5 pm and there was approx. 20 "girls" present. No other mongers.

I realized I may be spoilt since my mongering career have mainly been FKK: s in Germany.

It's hard to tell the age of a thai woman and it's no easier when they are like 20 meters away. Maybe I should bring binoculars next time?

Anyway, I ended up with a 45 years old lady that, as you could expect, was not so pretty up front.

I went thru her normal routine, job done but nothing to write home about. My dream of soapy is gone as well.

I certainly hope this was not the best Bangkok has to offer. More will follow, soi cowboy here I come!

I am not interested in spending too much time online fooling around so would like to contact P4P girls only. Since demise of backpage, it is difficult to find anything that has a good number of ads with pics. So what is hot now a days. Tinder, Thaifriendly, leolist, Locanto?

On Thai friendly or facebook, is there any way to spot a working girl and then quickly find more. May be her friends LOL? I haven't seen any facebook profile so don't know which girl to start with.

Please share your online hunting tips, Thanks.

Spent a week in Nana before moving on to Angeles City.

Arriving in the evening, I'd put too much thought ahead of time into how I'd inaugurate this trip. Immediate full sleaze at the Eden Club? Find a pretty and sweet gogo girl to spend the night? Go on a short-time tear through Nana plaza? None of these fine plans survived contact with the ground.

After a long (extremely long) sequence of plane flights I felt hot, gross, and exhausted. Scarcely felt much better after a shower and change of clothes, and still sore and achy all over after too much time spent in airplane seats. Inspiration lead me to the Chrome Bar. Thinking a little massage would ease the pain, and it doesn't matter how sweaty and gross you'd otherwise feel when you're in a wet room on a mat covered in massage gel. There's one or two genuinely attractive girls in the lineup at Chrome Bar, and another half dozen varying degrees of mediocre that might suit depending on your taste. Rather than taking the hottest girl from the lineup, I chose a slightly chubby girl with a cute face and pretty smile who seemed very keen to go, and don't regret it (I took that same girl again a few days later). She was very chatty and playful, and cut the massage short as she could tell I was ready to move on. Very relaxing BBBJ followed by CFS. Fun fucking her while sliding around on the soapy mat.

After this, I went out drinking, aiming to spend the remainder of the evening outside sipping gin and people-watching. The cart bar scene isn't what it used to be after they were chased out of the Asoke intersection and much of Sukhumvit a few years ago, but it's gradually rebounding. After a few hours drinking I was ready to cash out and crash, telling the mamasan (a few years of my acquaintance) I was tired and wanted to go find a girl for the night. She insisted she had a girl for me, seemingly summoning one out of nowhere. This turned out to the defining attribute and highlight of the week.

The girl was cute. Mid to late 20's, fit body, didn't speak a word of English and didn't even have a phone. Could only communicate with her via google translate on my phone (awkwardly, as English<- Thai translation really does not work well). Good girl, good heart. I took her back to my room and, after a few hours rest, waking up, making out in the dark under the covers, DATY followed by BBFS, then cuddled up together and fell back to sleep. This experience was such that I did not object some hours later when she said she had to go but announced her intent to return to my room later that evening. Later I learned the mama had instructed her to stay with me every day in this fashion. Spent most of the week with this girl, and it was a pleasant change from sleeping alone or going out hunting for new girls every night. Lovely girl, very sweet, and good for three or four rounds of BBFS per day. I feel like, by sheer dumb luck, I must have flashed back to the reputed good old days of naive GFE from long before my time.

As such, I had neither the time nor inclination to venture out much for other experiences. Aside from a couple trips to the Chrome Bar noted above, it was strictly blowjob bars, slipped into a free hour here or there. They are interesting to compare. LOL's is still my favorite due to the sheer nonchalance of the place, the good selection of women in front, and the quickness of getting in and out. Made three or four trips here. Also tried Kasalong and Wood Bar once each. Quality of service at the latter two were both better than LOL's (but this is entirely up to the girl, as such I don't think this claim is statistically significant). The girl from Wood Bar was distinctly more attractive than the other bars and had superior technique as well, on account of her use of oil during the BJ (very good, new trick to me). Good experience, would repeat, but I think the whole thing of getting washed off in the sink and sitting in the chair in a private room is just too much fuss. I still prefer the quick and fun LOL's experience of dropping trou behind a curtain then getting wiped down with a wet nap and sucked off. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

At some point I did make it to Nana Plaza but I wasn't too into it. The upstairs Mandarin (my favorite in days long past, way back when they still wore the unbuttoned white shirts and went topless) was boarded up and closed, and the downstairs Mandarin table dance was still asking absurd 1500 baht barfines for their "coyote" girls, with the obnoxious mamasan ordering herself drinks on your tab. Bleh. Stuck my head in another bar (blanking on which one. Maybe Geisha?) where there was a flock of idiots crowding the entrance hindering me from entering, so moved on to Diamonds BKK (an underrated bar that I never see mentioned here) where I've had a good time in the past, but the girls were pretty tame in this instance, and I moved on after a couple drinks.

[QUOTE=FuckedUpSwede;2415532]I went thru her normal routine, job done but nothing to write home about. My dream of soapy is gone as well.

I certainly hope this was not the best Bangkok has to offer. More will follow, soi cowboy here I come![/QUOTE]Plaza entertainment has never been a go to place advertised by forum members of this site.

Why did you go there to fill your dream? Did you asked the taxi driver to take you to a soapy?

Good soapy's are mostly located in the Huay Kwang area. You can surely find very pretty girls there but service might be hit or miss in some of the places.

If you look for a good service, it seems that you should go get a nuru massage in DokiDoki on Sukhumvit soi 31 instead (the shop is located 40 meters away on the left side when you enter the soi from Sukhumvit road).

Ask to see the line up of the available girls before choosing the girl, but they are mostly over 30 years old.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2415843]Why did you go there to fill your dream? Did you asked the taxi driver to take you to a soapy?

If you look for a good service, it seems that you should go get a nuru massage in DokiDoki[/QUOTE]I normally do not use taxi, I walk everywhere. I tried to use the forum but I could not find that much info for "soapy" so I googled and found a site where this place was mentioned. I did not do my homework properly. I know.

Anyway, I then proceeded to Crazy house, totally loved the plaze since I could lay my hands on this slim gal that clicked all my boxes. I did not barfine her, only lady drinking and being slimy. Spread some bills around the waitressed, real fun girls! Then went crazy clubbing all night and almost ended up under a bridge.

I will try DokiDoki next time which happens to be in about 1 week. I will return to crazy house as well.

[QUOTE=Elmo;2415450]Not sure she noticed that I had cum inside her soaking wet little pussy. I then stopped, and started DATY her again, and finger fucking her, trying to get come of the cum out of her. I then put her legs on my shoulders and fucked her some more until I lost the erection. I then stopped and claimed that I was too tired from last night. We cuddled for a while and then she went to take a shower. While in the shower, she asked if I had finished. I assumed that she was asking if I had cum inside her, but denied I had cum, that I was too tired and had to stop.

After she got out of the shower, she talked about what her day would be like on Sunday, sleep from about 3 to 6:30, go to class from 8 to 3, take a nap, and then work at the bar from 10 to 4. She said she hated Sundays as it would just wear her out, but she wanted to see me again, and asked if I could come to the bar again on Sunday. I told her that I could not stay out late on Sunday, as I had an early flight out on Monday. She got upset and I told her I would get there early. In truth, I was actually leaving late Sunday afternoon, so I did not return to see her.
.[/QUOTE]Glad you enjoyed yourself, and I don't mean to be an a-hole, but bad ju ju on your part by cuming inside without telling them, especially given how local culture treats abortions (not allowed).

You can prolly get BBFS if you want but you need to negotiate it beforehand. And certainly if you're cuming inside, with her permission (most who permit BBFS will specifically request that you not cum inside).

You should tell her and slip her some money for the morning after pill which she should be able to easily procure at the pharmacy.

Don't be a douche.

[QUOTE=Catire;2415976]Glad you enjoyed yourself, and I don't mean to be an a-hole, but bad ju ju on your part by cuming inside without telling them, especially given how local culture treats abortions (not allowed).

You can prolly get BBFS if you want but you need to negotiate it beforehand. And certainly if you're cuming inside, with her permission (most who permit BBFS will specifically request that you not cum inside).

You should tell her and slip her some money for the morning after pill which she should be able to easily procure at the pharmacy.

Don't be a douche.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, it's not you who is being a**hole.

I don't think some people realize, how an unwanted kid can effect someone's life, especially WG. Not just she will need extra money to take care of kid, she will also loose a lot of money because unable to work during pregnancy and ofcourse baby scars.

[QUOTE=FredFubar;2415800] with the obnoxious mamasan ordering herself drinks on your tab. Bleh. [/QUOTE]How does this happen? Would love to see a mamasan try doing this to me at a gogo bar.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2416003]How does this happen? Would love to see a mamasan try doing this to me at a gogo bar.[/QUOTE]After her pestering you about buying her a drink and you saying No and waving her off, a shot or cocktail suddenly shows up in her hand anyway and there it is listed on your tab. I have had it happen a few times in Thai bars. And I have objected and told them to take it off my tab.

[QUOTE=Catire;2415976]Glad you enjoyed yourself, and I don't mean to be an a-hole, but bad ju ju on your part by cuming inside without telling them, especially given how local culture treats abortions (not allowed).

You can prolly get BBFS if you want but you need to negotiate it beforehand. And certainly if you're cuming inside, with her permission (most who permit BBFS will specifically request that you not cum inside).

You should tell her and slip her some money for the morning after pill which she should be able to easily procure at the pharmacy.

Don't be a douche.[/QUOTE]Douche would be a kind word for Elmo.

He sneaks the condom off. Then cums inside and lies about it. Karma works. I wouldn't be surprised if she had an infection or HIV. Would serve him right. Sad part is he puts all others at risk.

Let's all hope he doesn't multiply.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2415726]I am not interested in spending too much time online fooling around so would like to contact P4P girls only. Since demise of backpage, it is difficult to find anything that has a good number of ads with pics. So what is hot now a days. Tinder, Thaifriendly, leolist, Locanto?

On Thai friendly or facebook, is there any way to spot a working girl and then quickly find more. May be her friends LOL? I haven't seen any facebook profile so don't know which girl to start with.

Please share your online hunting tips, Thanks.[/QUOTE]Just my opinion, take it for what you will, I've never tried to book a 2-girl online like that. But, any escort agencies will give you whatever you want if you call them. Most MPs will do the same if you want to girls, sure, whatever, they don't care, that's just two girls getting work off one client for the agency, MP, and girls.

If you go the TF or whatever route its just going to be more time consuming and a lot more work to deal with it all, and what is there to gain by doing it this way? You could also just walk into the door of almost any MP or Eden and get two girls there, on the spot, done and done (or choose two girls to take home later).

[QUOTE=Elmo;2415450]


I then left Spice Girls and hit Cowboy 2, Tilac, and Crazy Cat. Cowboy 2 had lots of hot girls, while Crazy had several real beauties. I decided that a thin little gal I had seen gyrating on stage at Cowboy 2 was the best option, so I went back there. She was taken, but saw "Jenny" instead. Short thin little gal. About 40 kg and 150 cm (5 ft) tall. Quite large breasts for such a short thin gal, but it turned out to be a padded bra. Bar fine for Jenny was 3,000 Baht!! WTF??? I could not believe it. And all of the hot gals at Cowboy 2 had this 3,0000 Baht bar fine. There were also a number of lesser gals in less revealing outfits that only had a 1,000 Baht BF. But the quality drop off was obvious. [/QUOTE]I've never heard of a 3000 baht BF, maybe they saw gold in your eyes or maybe I've just never tried one of these girls. That sounds insane. As you found 700-1000 is more in the usual range. 3000 to BF, geez, you should have just went to the next gogo in line and BF'ed 2 girls instead.

[QUOTE=Elmo;2415450]Realized I had never been to Nana Plaza, so I researched that the following afternoon while sitting at the hotel pool. Late in the afternoon, I walked down to Nana Plaza - I found the Hooters, and the other bars around there that I recognized from videos, but did not see Nana Plaza, until I turned around and realized the lane I was standing in (right next to Big Dogs) was the actual entrance way to NP. Felt pretty dumb once I figured that out. Had a late dinner and at about 9 pm. I headed back up to NP, and hit Billboards and then Rainbow (2nd floor - I think it was #4). Was impressed with the quality of the Billboard babes - tall, thin almost model like, but they looked like 1) they knew they were beautiful; and 2) would charged accordingly; and 3) the service had better be amazing, but likely would not be. Rainbow (4?) was okay, when they went topless on stage was surprised by how many had fake boobs. There seemed to be a lot more ladyboy bars at NP than at Soi Cowboy, and they are a lot more aggressive at NP [/QUOTE]You're off on Nana. Frankly, the last few years, Nana is simply better than Soi Cowboy in price, quality, and fun. No crazy BFs, the gogos are fun, less pressure than Cowboy and the girls are as good or better. You should have stayed longer, it tends to get going good and solid around when you probably left, but you did do right in bar hopping there as there are simply less overall girls, so they don't take breaks, which means bar hopping is better compared to Cowboy, because in Cowboy the girls they rotate in / out more often. But yes, there are more LB boys, they can get a bit forward, but just walk past them like every other person does and move on to the next gogo.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2416072]I've never heard of a 3000 baht BF, maybe they saw gold in your eyes or maybe I've just never tried one of these girls. That sounds insane. As you found 700-1000 is more in the usual range. 3000 to BF, geez, you should have just went to the next gogo in line and BF'ed 2 girls instead.
...[/QUOTE]Cowboy 2 Go-Go Bar on Soi Cowboy has required a 3,000 baht barfine, just to the bar and the girl's fee is separate, for many of their girls for years now. And it is typically for the better looking girls there.

I would never consider it unless I covered every possible whim and desire I had in mind with the girl during a pre-barfine discussion and got an enthusiastic Yes to everything. And even then I would make sure she understood I would give her nothing, not one baht, if it turned out she lied about any of it.

"Mood killer" be damned, no way would I pay that much upfront in a Thai go-go bar and still be expected to pay another perhaps equal amount to the girl without at least that much rip off insurance on my side.

[QUOTE=Catire;2415976]Glad you enjoyed yourself, and I don't mean to be an a-hole, but bad ju ju on your part by cuming inside without telling them, especially given how local culture treats abortions (not allowed).

You can prolly get BBFS if you want but you need to negotiate it beforehand. And certainly if you're cuming inside, with her permission (most who permit BBFS will specifically request that you not cum inside).

You should tell her and slip her some money for the morning after pill which she should be able to easily procure at the pharmacy.

Don't be a douche.[/QUOTE]You are right. I had not intended to cum inside her, but rather to jerk off on her stomach after a long BBFS session, like I had the prior night with her.

She really is a sweet girl, and I will admit I panicked a bit afterwards, after I came. I did give her a very good tip, but certainly have been regretting some of the choices I made this trip.

As the saying goes. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2416075]Cowboy 2 Go-Go Bar on Soi Cowboy has required a 3,000 baht barfine, just to the bar and the girl's fee is separate, for many of their girls for years now. And it is typically for the better looking girls there.[/QUOTE]My god I had no idea, seems like a weird business model. But I guess unsuspecting drunk guys don't know any better their first time there. Can't even remember if I've ever been in Cowboy 2 now.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2416041]Douche would be a kind word for Elmo.

He sneaks the condom off. Then cums inside and lies about it. Karma works. I wouldn't be surprised if she had an infection or HIV. Would serve him right. Sad part is he puts all others at risk.

Let's all hope he doesn't multiply.[/QUOTE]Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. Bare backing without permission is beyond douche. Lying about coming in her pussy is even worse. But he appears to be a congenital liar, as he lies even when he doesn't have to:

[QUOTE=Elmo;2415450] Snip. She said she hated Sundays as it would just wear her out, but she wanted to see me again, and asked if I could come to the bar again on Sunday. I told her that I could not stay out late on Sunday, as I had an early flight out on Monday. She got upset and I told her I would get there early. In truth, I was actually leaving late Sunday afternoon, so I did not return to see her. Snip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2416080]My god I had no idea, seems like a weird business model. But I guess unsuspecting drunk guys don't know any better their first time there. Can't even remember if I've ever been in Cowboy 2 now.[/QUOTE]LOL. If you happen to be with one of the 3,000 baht barfine girls and ask about the barfine, she will probably call over a mamasan to handle the "explanation" of it, to make sure you understand that 3,000 baht only goes to the bar, has nothing to do with what the girl gets and that you need to pay her something sizable, too.

The mamasan will be used to guys disbelieving it and needing her to say it in about 3 different ways that, no, the girl's fee is not included in the 3,000 baht, all of that goes to the bar only.

LOL. Now you know why Cowboy 2 Go-Go Bar always seems to have the biggest crowd of girls sitting and standing outside the bar whenever you walk by. That bar REALLY doesn't want their best lookers to leave for even so much as 1-2 hours in a night.

Mind you, this is not the same as the "no sex" Coyote scammers lined up outside many Soi Cowboy bars and elsewhere. They might not have a barfine at all since they are never going to leave their Ladydrink Hustle Only post all night for sex or any other reason. At least the 3,000 baht barfine girls at Cowboy 2 are purportedly leaving with you to have sex.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2415459]Been a little more than year since I was last in Thailand, will be making a trip in Feb, 4 days in Pattaya then 4 in BKK. Many thanks to Elmo for the report, especially on which bars to avoid as I kept to WeChat and TF last time around, but looking to visit the bars more on the upcoming trip.

Quick question, how was your room at the Pullman? I booked a standard King but contemplating upgrading.[/QUOTE]I would go with the upgrade.

1) Layout of the upgrade is so much better than the standard king. Entrance to the bathroom in standard king is next to the room door. In upgrade, there is a second door to the bathroom off the bedroom.

2) Standard king has a small tub with a shower attachment. Upgrade has a larger tub and separate large walk in shower.

3) Chair in the standard king is really uncomfortable. Upgrade has a chaise lounge. Perfect for sipping a beer while planning the evening's activities; remembering past nights adventures, or watching tv.

One other tip on the Pullman. When you BF a gal from Soi Cowboy, pull out your key card, and show her "Pullman" as you approach Asok Rd and all of the moto-taxis. When you turn the corner, show her the building. It is shaped like the sail of a sailing boat. Even make the shape of the building with your hand. Once she sees the building, she will then understand where you two are going. That there is no need for a moto-taxi; that it is an easy walk; will put her at ease; . Etc. , etc.

It greatly simplified things leaving Soi Cowboy and makes for a nice walk back to the hotel hand in hand, rather than trying to explain matters.

[QUOTE=Elmo;2416079]You are right. I had not intended to cum inside her, but rather to jerk off on her stomach after a long BBFS session, like I had the prior night with her.

She really is a sweet girl, and I will admit I panicked a bit afterwards, after I came. I did give her a very good tip, but certainly have been regretting some of the choices I made this trip.

As the saying goes. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/QUOTE]I call BS.

A very good tip doesn't buy your way out of despicable felonious behavior.

The toll road to hell is paid with bad actions. I highly doubt this is your first time.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2416081]Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. Bare backing without permission is beyond douche. Lying about coming in her pussy is even worse. But he appears to be a congenital liar, as he lies even when he doesn't have to:[/QUOTE]It is a felony in my country.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2416085]LOL. If you happen to be with one of the 3,000 baht barfine girls and ask about the barfine, she will probably call over a mamasan to handle the "explanation" of it, to make sure you understand that 3,000 baht only goes to the bar, has nothing to do with what the girl gets and that you need to pay her something sizable, too.

The mamasan will be used to guys disbelieving it and needing her to say it in about 3 different ways that, no, the girl's fee is not included in the 3,000 baht, all of that goes to the bar only.

LOL. Now you know why Cowboy 2 Go-Go Bar always seems to have the biggest crowd of girls sitting and standing outside the bar whenever you walk by. That bar REALLY doesn't want their best lookers to leave for even so much as 1-2 hours in a night.

Mind you, this is not the same as the "no sex" Coyote scammers lined up outside many Soi Cowboy bars and elsewhere. They might not have a barfine at all since they are never going to leave their Ladydrink Hustle Only post all night for sex or any other reason. At least the 3,000 baht barfine girls at Cowboy 2 are purportedly leaving with you to have sex.[/QUOTE]Haha oh man, this gets even funnier now. Just to think not too long ago a did a ST for 2500 all-inclusive from a gogo in Nana from a hottie as good looking as any gogo girl in the city and wasn't that happy with the price even though its normal, but I wasn't arguing, and for some reason the girl and mamasan couldn't figure it out and were talking but then mamasan came back it was "2500 OK OK, pay now, no more, 2500" and off we went. She ended up being hot but an uninteresting performer.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2416102]Haha oh man, this gets even funnier now. Just to think not too long ago a did a ST for 2500 all-inclusive from a gogo in Nana from a hottie as good looking as any gogo girl in the city and wasn't that happy with the price even though its normal, but I wasn't arguing, and for some reason the girl and mamasan couldn't figure it out and were talking but then mamasan came back it was "2500 OK OK, pay now, no more, 2500" and off we went. She ended up being hot but an uninteresting performer.[/QUOTE]So that time you paid the girl's fee upfront in the bar, too? Even at a somewhat discounted (for a good looking girl in a go-go bar) 2,500 baht total including the barfine, I would have expected no better than an uninteresting level of service. I don't recall ever getting better than passable service in any Thai P4P option after paying upfront and more often than not it turned out to be far less than passable.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2416095]It is a felony in my country.[/QUOTE]Is it likely that girl wouldn't know a punter had removed the condom even more so if he came inside. Surely there would be some evidence if she took a shower afterwards.

One week into the stay and nothing earthshaking to report: That will come when I hop over to the Phils in a couple of weeks and get chased by lava.

In BJ bars, more or less my favorite haunts, I got an ugly but decent service at Kasalong, but Wood Bar was a real bust. Due to their system, instead of taking first in queue, my norm at the other places, I had to sit for the lineup. I chose a girl who looked a lot like the website shots of X. X was well reviewed here a while back so I had some false hope that things would come out well. It was probably not X, as the reviewer mentioned her being petite. I think she must have made a dash to the lineup bench and wedged herself in before I got a good look because she really expanded upon standing up. The ass blotted out the sky as we climbed the stairs. The BJ was among the worst I've had that did not actually result in personal injury: No initial teasing the spheres, so sack lapping, just right to the a very mechanical bobbing. I finally gave up and called it a loss. As the X review was a while back perhaps it was her but she has expanded. Either way, look at the picture on the site and don't take someone who looks like that.

The star of the BJ houses was Duanporn's. I'd had generally good experiences there in its previous life and it did not disappoint. Again, I go with first in queue and by luck I got an above average looker on the first visit and one who was actually quite pleasant to look at on the second. In both cases the service was very good. Yes, two snapshots are a little thin to be making broad assumptions on but one thing stood out: Their attention to the exact items that were so callously ignored at Wood Bar. It was like they had been trained by the same person (probably) and that person stressed the attention to the auxiliary equipment. I really hope so: I'll be checking some more (someone has to do the unpleasant task!) and report either way.

On Cowboy:

Tilac seems to have standardized a bit, too, unfortunately the standard seems to be pleasantly plump. Not thong-obscuring flab plump, just somewhere between nice and something Rubens might use as a model. I got there too late to get a desired seat against the wall and ended up at the table right beside the pool ladder they use to mount and leave the stage. I got a good look at a lot of asses going up or down. Amazing standardization.

For no apparent reason I did Crazy Cats. One girl was actually fairly cute, but most were average at best, but smaller than Tilac's.

The Dollhouse had a pretty poor line up, but it was fairly early. I saw one already BF'd girl on the way out but she was way too dressed to make a good determination. One of my lusts from previous visits was there but she tends to really gulp the drinks down which I, probably foolishly, assume is a bad omen for bed romps: High price and short time would be really short time. Unfortunately one of the waitresses remembered me and whom I was interested in and offered to drag her from the dressing room. I said that I really needed to leave for an unspecified reason.

Shark, as other posters have said, is in a real slide. Not a single doable girl in the two nights I went there, and more ink than at a Merchant Marine convention. But the ink did provide a bit of interest. One girl has a large star, maybe a starfish, one her lower ass area and upper inner thighs, bisected by her thong. Try to visualize that. It is almost tempting to BF her just to see if it is properly centered on its namesake orifice. If so it would work like the omnidirectional approach lights at an airport, guiding your plane. It does look like a fuselage, mine regrettably that of a Piper cub, not an Airbus 380 - towards the touchdown area. So maybe it is advertising A+ service at her starfish. The problem is that it could also be advertising that she IS a starfish.

I saw Crazy House charging a cover so I passed on my every couple of year visit to check if it has improved. They apparently opened a satellite bar nearby, Cozy something. I might have to check it out even if there is a cover: It's important to get to as many of these places as possible in one's lifetime. I've made some serious sacrifices in that quest (shudders thinking about a bar in Oklahoma) so one more wouldn't hurt.

Nana:

Only visited the top floor: Billboard, Enter, and Butterflies. Not much to see at Billboard the first visit, though it was early; the second might have been better but it was later and on Friday so it was so packed they were going to seat me by the stage so I fled.

Enter was unremarkable.

Last Tuesday I saw two real cuties at Butterflies but they were both otherwise occupied so I returned Wednesday: nope. I returned Thursday: nope. I returned Saturday: nope. Usually this happens AFTER I BF someone. I like to assume that they quit knowing that they would never again be with someone as virile, as manly, as charming as me. Deep in my heart, though, I know that they are all now cowering in darkened rooms, wracked by severe PTSD that is for some reason triggered when they happen to see Vienna Sausages when shopping. On Saturday I finally saw a decent substitute there but when I approached her she had this deer-in-the-headlights look and I thought better of it.

In desperation / morbid curiosity I decided to venture to Patpong. I get there every four or five years to remind myself why I don't go there more often. In this case I determined that there was at least one bar that had sprung up that I had not been to so, like Cozy or whatever it is, there was sort of a requirement for me to go. Glamour has apparently been around for years but I guess it has spent a lot of its life closed for some reason or another: I'm sure I've walked Patpong 2 several times in that period and never noticed it. It is just past Bada Bing, across from Foodland. The dancer selection was smallish but frankly they were, on the average, the best of the bars so far this trip. But "the average" is a huge qualifier: By the laws of probability the mega bars like Billboard are more likely to have the one or two stunners, though those laws have not applied so far this trip. The drinks were reasonable, 100 baht for me, 200 baht for a refreshing beverage for any lovely I might want to join me. I bought a couple for a young lass whom I am penciling in for a BF tomorrow, Friday. She quoted the BF as 800 and ST as 3000. I can live with that.

Totally unrelated: When I went to add 500 baht to my Rabbit card at a BTS station they wanted to see ID. They had not asked for it maybe five days earlier when I added the same amount. I wonder what has changed, and if they are tracking everyone or just farangs.

[QUOTE=Oosik;2416196]Totally unrelated: When I went to add 500 baht to my Rabbit card at a BTS station they wanted to see ID. They had not asked for it maybe five days earlier when I added the same amount. I wonder what has changed, and if they are tracking everyone or just farangs.[/QUOTE]Happened to me too on my last trip, using a Rabbit card I have had for a few years now. Luckily they accepted a picture of my passport on my phone. I assume this is a new regulation brought in recently, don't understand why though.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2415726]I am not interested in spending too much time online fooling around so would like to contact P4P girls only. Since demise of backpage, it is difficult to find anything that has a good number of ads with pics. So what is hot now a days. Tinder, Thaifriendly, leolist, Locanto?

On Thai friendly or facebook, is there any way to spot a working girl and then quickly find more. May be her friends LOL? I haven't seen any facebook profile so don't know which girl to start with.

Please share your online hunting tips, Thanks.[/QUOTE]Well, anyone? There is got to be some online resource one can browse thrru and may be book a threesome haha.

I haven't found any facebook profile of Bangkok girls for some reason. Have it of girls from several other countries but not sure why Thai WGs hide it. Or may be I should look elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2416372]Happened to me too on my last trip, using a Rabbit card I have had for a few years now.[/QUOTE]I guess on the first refill I slipped through a crack. My last visit was about nine months ago so maybe the new requirement hit during that span. Just a further step after they started requiring ID to get a SIM or top up for the first time a couple of years ago. Nice that they accepted the phone pic. I'm going to start doing that just in case. I had my passport card on me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2416106]So that time you paid the girl's fee upfront in the bar, too? Even at a somewhat discounted (for a good looking girl in a go-go bar) 2,500 baht total including the barfine, I would have expected no better than an uninteresting level of service. I don't recall ever getting better than passable service in any Thai P4P option after paying upfront and more often than not it turned out to be far less than passable.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't disagree, but I was being a bit short with my answer. The girl and I negotiated the total fee, then she got her stuff and talked to mamasan, not sure what that conversation was, but mamasan was just like ok ok, and to pay her, so I paid her directly, and the girl and everything was fine with it. I don't think the money with this lady was the issue, she did the things I asked and the usual treatments, she just wasn't a strong performer. It felt more like "Since I'm a hot chick, I just let the guy do whatever he wants until he's done and since I'm hot I don't need to put on a big show" more than you didn't pay so you get crap. She just wanted to do her time, take care of business, and be done with it.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2416080]My god I had no idea, seems like a weird business model. But I guess unsuspecting drunk guys don't know any better their first time there. Can't even remember if I've ever been in Cowboy 2 now.[/QUOTE]I was in there last night and the girl I was talking to said all girls are 3 k bar fine now and 3 k fee for the girl (confusing she said that was short or long time. Depends on the girl I guess and what mood she's in or I'd had too much to drink and misunderstood). The girls have to sell 3 LDs per night and then they get to keep 60 baht per LD (200 baht per drink) after that. If they are late for their rotation on stage they have to leave the stage and it's a 200 baht fine.

The most expensive bar fine I've seen in Nana is at Geisha which is 1200 and the girls even ask for long LD (a tall glass basically) which is 340 I think.

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The most expensive bar fine I've seen in Nana is at Geisha which is 1200 and the girls even ask for long LD (a tall glass basically) which is 340 I think.[/QUOTE]In keeping with my unofficial survey and admittedly unproven theory that Nana Plaza go-go bars with higher than normal barfines tend to have at least a few girls willing to agree upfront to provide a True GFE/Real Sex Experience for the money, my limited experience with Geisha Bar falls into that category as well. And the 2-3 times in the past few weeks they have agreed upfront to such a thing with me, they have also quite readily lowered their initial asking fee from 2,500-3,000 baht for ST to 2,000-2,500 baht. And these were far from the least attractive girls in the place.

As a reminder, I am not talking about some wildly higher than normal barfine like the 3,000 baht barfine Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy is charging. But I should also say I have never seriously negotiated with a girl like that in Cowboy 2 Bar, so I have no personal experience to share about it.

I am talking about the difference between 700-800 baht and 1,200 baht or, in some cases, a two tiered system where some girls have lower, normal barfines in the range of 700-800 baht and some have barfines perhaps as high as 1,500 baht.

Of course, YMMV applies here even more than usual considering the highly subjective issue of BBFS.

As an aside, walking past Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy a few times this past week, I don't think I saw 2 girls among the crowd of girls standing outside that I would pay a total of 1,500 baht for LT even if they agreed upfront to all the True GFE/Real Sex Experience I could handle from 9pm until 12Noon the next day. So it is now my turn to be shocked to hear ALL of their girls require a 3,000 baht barfine and start out by asking for an equal amount for their personal fee!

Maybe I just happened to pass by at the wrong times.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2416634]In keeping with my unofficial survey and admittedly unproven theory that Nana Plaza go-go bars with higher than normal barfines tend to have at least a few girls willing to agree upfront to provide a True GFE/Real Sex Experience for the money, my limited experience with Geisha Bar falls into that category as well. And the 2-3 times in the past few weeks they have agreed upfront to such a thing with me, they have also quite readily lowered their initial asking fee from 2,500-3,000 baht for ST to 2,000-2,500 baht. And these were far from the least attractive girls in the place.

As a reminder, I am not talking about some wildly higher than normal barfine like the 3,000 baht barfine Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy is charging. But I should also say I have never seriously negotiated with a girl like that in Cowboy 2 Bar, so I have no personal experience to share about it.

I am talking about the difference between 700-800 baht and 1,200 baht or, in some cases, a two tiered system where some girls have lower, normal barfines in the range of 700-800 baht and some have barfines perhaps as high as 1,500 baht..[/QUOTE]I have bar fined two girls from Geisha. Yam - 21 and DFK, BBBJ, DATY and FS so don't regret it although I was still a little jet lagged. She is really sweet and nice body overall and no silicon though she wants a nose job. Did strike me as a party girl so not sure how long the body will last as there is a little fat on her stomach. The other girl it was my first night in town so probably should've just had a few drinks as I was severely lacking sleep and maybe give her another go when I'm not exhausted or there are always more girls.

Whilst I had fun in Cowboy 2 I don't see me ever setting foot in there again. I don't think they operate with any real intention of the girls going out and the girls don't seem too bothered. It's all about the LDs and I had one girl arguing with the waitress as she thought she had been short changed one LD token (she hadn't). If you're solo then two girls will approach you both wanting drinks. The waitress /'s wants a drink immediately and I even had the mammasan trying to get in on the action. I wasn't actually looking to bar fine that night so wasn't a big issue but not going back ever at this point.

In terms of nana bar rainbow 3 I've managed my aim of one drink in each bar except the ladyboy bars this week. Sexy night the worst by far. The mammasan did show me a price menu whilst two well past it girls were trying to persuade / assault me but given there appeared to be two or three zeros on the fine / st that was two or three zeros too many. Mandarin 2 and Erotica poor though I did have a nice chat with a girl with large natural breasts in Erotica. She was off to Osaka for 4 days the next day and I wasn't looking to bar fine right then. She had a nice face and rack but was a bit chubby (no. 8 tag. Name escapes me). The staff were throwing what I think was salt on the stage to bring luck / fortune / customers (as Erotica was deserted whilst I was there. Enter is the only bar I've seen real dancers in but none were particularly attractive. Need to compose my thoughts on the rest of the nana bars for a follow up post.

Will visit Rainbow 3 and nana tomorrow as although I'm staying near soi the bars there are generally far pushier I'm terms of trying to get insta LD purchase or just no good. I unfortunately did book via agoda a hotel in Soi Cowboy for my next trip which is tacked onto a business trip in a nearby country but after that I'll always just stay near nana in the future.

Tilac bar fine is 1.5 k BTW so had two girls in there saying better value than cowboy 2 as can get 2 girls vs just 1 but lack of stunners there also. They did actually want to be bar fined and didn't waste time saying it at least.

Was talking to a girl in Geisha who used to work in Cowboy 2 and seems it might be 3 k ST and 6 k LT from cowboy 2 re the girl's starting fee so maybe the girl I was talking to in Cowboy 2 just never did LT or ST really given the pricing. Spankys was packed tonight. Geisha less so.

[QUOTE=Sideshow01;2416962]Was talking to a girl in Geisha who used to work in Cowboy 2 and seems it might be 3 k ST and 6 k LT from cowboy 2 re the girl's starting fee so maybe the girl I was talking to in Cowboy 2 just never did LT or ST really given the pricing. Spankys was packed tonight. Geisha less so.[/QUOTE]I don't think that pricing is preventing her getting work. 3 K ST is not that unusual these days. You forgot to mention the extremely high Barfine prices in Cowboy 2, although now I see you mentioned that in a previous post. Can't say I could remember exactly what they were but I see you guys are saying 3K for BF. That was adding too much to the risk of paying a lot and then getting a dud girl.

Some guys just object to bar taking a large cut in the barfine. I have had girls (from other bars) where I did not pay them, because they refused to fuck once got to the room (e.g. her period). Unfortunately the BF was still blown. I also had hassles with girls wanting to be paid in advance, in the past, which I was not agreeing to. Risk is too high.

In many MPs we still have the risk of paying the full fee in advance.

There has been misconception that Cowboy 2 was an "Arab's" bar, therefore girls not available for sex. However that is not the case. Just too expensive (ridiculous) for the BF. That is enough to prevent BFs happening, generally.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2417102]I don't think that pricing is preventing her getting work. 3 K ST is not that unusual these days. You forgot to mention the extremely high Barfine prices in Cowboy 2, although now I see you mentioned that in a previous post. Can't say I could remember exactly what they were but I see you guys are saying 3K for BF. That was adding too much to the risk of paying a lot and then getting a dud girl.
[/QUOTE]I never step food in Geisha or Cowboy 2 bar, so I am quite surprised by seeing 3 k BF in Bangkok. I have seen that in Pattaya. Now I am intrigued to see the quality of girls in these bars, is it really worth it 6 k for ST, almost 200 usd. I just came back from Germany where I was paying 50-100 euros at FKKs, so paying double of that here is quite absurd for me. But will try for sure soon.

I am planning a trip to Bangkok. Is the health scare related to the Wuhan Corona virus having any consequences for mongering in Bangkok? E. g. Are some places closed or fewer girls available, or fewer mongers?

My hypothesis would be that there would be no fewer girls, but perhaps a bit fewer mongers and thus it might even be a good time to go to Bangkok. On the other hand, if it gets really bad, being stuck in Bangkok with places shutting down, controls at airports and everyone waring a face mask doesn't seem very fun. Especially for a DFK aficionado like me.

I always enjoy to have a short stopover in Bangkok. I lately had one in December and again in January.

In December my stopover was only 18 hour. I was in my hotel 9 pm in the evening. After check in I went to Tulip Massage. My first visit there ever. Wow, that was good. 2 hour PSE. I can recommend that place. 2.500 baht include tip. Worth every baht. After that I was tired and went back to the hotel for a good night sleep.

Next morning I wanted a regular massage before my flight. I went to a massageshop 9 am and got massage of a very fat woman. I didn't worry how she looked, because I only wanted the massage. She was very good for that. Then she asked if I wanted happy ending. That was not my plan, but what the fuck. Then came the surprise. She gave me a excelent hand job and BBBJ. Not very offen I CIM, but I did. She was so skilled. I paid for the massage and giver her 500 baht in tip.

In January I came back for 2 nights, one full day in Bangkok. First night I took a FL from Beergarden, soi 7. ST 3 hour, 1.500 baht. A sweet slim MILF and very GFE.

Next day after lunch I walked past the massage shop from last time and the fat woman said Hello, to me. She could remember me and asked if a wanted a massage again. Why not. But this time I wanted to try something different, so I asked her to come to my hotel. She agreed and could come in 30 minuttes.

Normal I prefer the more slim girls, but I wanted to try something new. I already knew her skils to give BBBJ and HJ, but I wanted to fuck her. It was a very good experience. We spend 5 hour together and I made her come 3 times in big squirting orgasms. After she only wanted money for the massage, 1.200 baht. I gave her 2.000 and she was happy.

Later in the night time I took a very sweet slim FL from soi Nana, only 21 year old. Very sweet and tight pussy, so beautiful skin. You can still find diamonds on the street. Just look. 2 hour, 1.300 bath. After that sleep and to the airport early next morning.

I like variation. Thats why I love to be in Bankok. I don't understand why people complain about the "expensive" prices. If you avoid the most expensive rip-of gogo bars, Bangkok is still cheap. Go for adventure and you will find it.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2417160]I am planning a trip to Bangkok. Is the health scare related to the Wuhan Corona virus having any consequences for mongering in Bangkok? E. g. Are some places closed or fewer girls available, or fewer mongers?

My hypothesis would be that there would be no fewer girls, but perhaps a bit fewer mongers and thus it might even be a good time to go to Bangkok. On the other hand, if it gets really bad, being stuck in Bangkok with places shutting down, controls at airports and everyone waring a face mask doesn't seem very fun. Especially for a DFK aficionado like me.[/QUOTE]I am in the same boat. Was planning on arriving the beginning of February. I am going to wait a few days and see how it plays out, as I am booking close in with FF miles and have timing flexibility.

My general concerns are: being on planes for 20+ hours each way, potentially less intimate (DFK in your example) encounters offered by the ladies, having heightened concerns about her recent customers history, and being in Southeast Asia for weeks during this evolving situation.

I traveled to Bangkok when there were troops in the streets so I am no shrinking violet, but I am taking a wait and see approach on this one.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2417174]I am in the same boat. Was planning on arriving the beginning of February. I am going to wait a few days and see how it plays out, as I am booking close in with FF miles and have timing flexibility.

My general concerns are: being on planes for 20+ hours each way, potentially less intimate (DFK in your example) encounters offered by the ladies, having heightened concerns about her recent customers history, and being in Southeast Asia for weeks during this evolving situation.

I traveled to Bangkok when there were troops in the streets so I am no shrinking violet, but I am taking a wait and see approach on this one.

SL.[/QUOTE]I'm here in Bangkok, and I have to do some more traveling this month. However, if I wasn't here, I would not come to Southeast Asia or indeed any part of Asia right now. I had a reservation out of Shanghai in March to LA and they gladly just gave me a credit on the ticket. Duke University just closed its China campus in moonshine near Shanghai.

For reference, the SARS outbreak lasted 6 months.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2417160]I am planning a trip to Bangkok. Is the health scare related to the Wuhan Corona virus having any consequences for mongering in Bangkok? E. g. Are some places closed or fewer girls available, or fewer mongers?

My hypothesis would be that there would be no fewer girls, but perhaps a bit fewer mongers and thus it might even be a good time to go to Bangkok. On the other hand, if it gets really bad, being stuck in Bangkok with places shutting down, controls at airports and everyone waring a face mask doesn't seem very fun. Especially for a DFK aficionado like me.[/QUOTE]I had been going to China during SARS crisis many times on business. Travelled to many places. Not everyone were wearing masks including me. Yes, they were meticulous checking body temperature at airports, train stations, border crossings. But to circumvent that people took analgesics medicine to lower their temperature in case they were suffering from a common cold for example. So there is no way to know who is safe and who is not safe.

We are the mongers and like to be with many girls. We do not know who and how many the girls have been with and what they did. There are always lots of germs floating around all over the world. Some people come down with it and many do not. We hope we are the ones who do not catch it.

Unlike SARS virus when China hid most of the data, now China has become global and cannot hide anything. Besides the effect on its economy will be devastating. They are taking serious action. They already said checking temperature is of no use. People can be infectious even in the latency stage. Latency stage is the pre symptoms stage for those medical dummies.

You should worry more about the diseases girls carry being with so many men than Wulan virus. By the way Wulan girls are very pretty. I had two long time girlfriends from there.

Most viruses kills people with compromised immune systems.

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In January I came back for 2 nights, one full day in Bangkok. First night I took a FL from Beergarden, soi 7. ST 3 hour, 1.500 baht. A sweet slim MILF and very GFE.

Next day after lunch I walked past the massage shop from last time and the fat woman said Hello, to me. She could remember me and asked if a wanted a massage again. Why not. But this time I wanted to try something different, so I asked her to come to my hotel. She agreed and could come in 30 minuttes.

Normal I prefer the more slim girls, but I wanted to try something new. I already knew her skils to give BBBJ and HJ, but I wanted to fuck her. It was a very good experience. We spend 5 hour together and I made her come 3 times in big squirting orgasms. After she only wanted money for the massage, 1.200 baht. I gave her 2.000 and she was happy.

Later in the night time I took a very sweet slim FL from soi Nana, only 21 year old. Very sweet and tight pussy, so beautiful skin. You can still find diamonds on the street. Just look. 2 hour, 1.300 bath. After that sleep and to the airport early next morning.

I like variation. Thats why I love to be in Bankok. I don't understand why people complain about the "expensive" prices. If you avoid the most expensive rip-of gogo bars, Bangkok is still cheap. Go for adventure and you will find it.[/QUOTE]I liked beergarten girls. Most are not mercenary. More like simple girls trying to make extra money. Will be going there next month to see if it still has some good girls. I do not worry about the looks much but satisfaction. Only if the girl is going to stay with me then I like her to be pretty.

Me also sometimes like fat girls with big boobs. If they are young they tend to be more athletic in spite of being fat. Old fat girls fo not move much but they are good in BBBJ and they aim to please. I took a chubby girl from patong bar and she was excellent in Phuket.

[QUOTE=Sideshow01;2416649]I have bar fined two girls from Geisha. Yam - 21 and DFK, BBBJ, DATY and FS so don't regret it although I was still a little jet lagged. She is really sweet and nice body overall and no silicon though she wants a nose job. Did strike me as a party girl so not sure how long the body will last as there is a little fat on her stomach. The other girl it was my first night in town so probably should've just had a few drinks as I was severely lacking sleep and maybe give her another go when I'm not exhausted or there are always more girls.

Whilst I had fun in Cowboy 2 I don't see me ever setting foot in there again. I don't think they operate with any real intention of the girls going out and the girls don't seem too bothered. It's all about the LDs and I had one girl arguing with the waitress as she thought she had been short changed one LD token (she hadn't). If you're solo then two girls will approach you both wanting drinks. The waitress /'s wants a drink immediately and I even had the mammasan trying to get in on the action. I wasn't actually looking to bar fine that night so wasn't a big issue but not going back ever at this point.

In terms of nana bar rainbow 3 I've managed my aim of one drink in each bar except the ladyboy bars this week. Sexy night the worst by far. The mammasan did show me a price menu whilst two well past it girls were trying to persuade / assault me but given there appeared to be two or three zeros on the fine / st that was two or three zeros too many. Mandarin 2 and Erotica poor though I did have a nice chat with a girl with large natural breasts in Erotica. She was off to Osaka for 4 days the next day and I wasn't looking to bar fine right then. She had a nice face and rack but was a bit chubby (no. 8 tag. Name escapes me). The staff were throwing what I think was salt on the stage to bring luck / fortune / customers (as Erotica was deserted whilst I was there. Enter is the only bar I've seen real dancers in but none were particularly attractive. Need to compose my thoughts on the rest of the nana bars for a follow up post..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Gargano19;2417147]I never step food in Geisha or Cowboy 2 bar, so I am quite surprised by seeing 3 k BF in Bangkok. I have seen that in Pattaya. Now I am intrigued to see the quality of girls in these bars, is it really worth it 6 k for ST, almost 200 usd. I just came back from Germany where I was paying 50-100 euros at FKKs, so paying double of that here is quite absurd for me. But will try for sure soon.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't bother with cowboy 2 - no one there is worth the barfine IMHO. Geisha I personally really like two of the girls and they live together so hasn't been complicated to deal with but beauty in the eye of the beholder so you may not think anything of Geisha and find your gem in cowboy 2 - if prices were more realistic I likely would take a gamble on a couple of the girls.

Hey all,

I've had enough of FL and Bar Pickups now. Does anyone have Sideline Girls Contact? If yes please share, I would love to reciprocate with some Real Thai HW Contacts.

Thanks,

Rick.

Bouncing around SEA for a bit while the Corona stuff hopefully blows over a little.

Went to 7 Heaven BJ place around 4 PM. Reminded me of Japan at 1/5th the cost. Super clean. Great line-up it seemed, depending on timing, and from the reviews I felt I could trust photos. Only had 2 girls. One seemed hot, and indeed she was. Her name was Soda. Washed me up, did the deed. Gagged a bit when I came. I tried to warn her! Ha. Her eyes were amazing. Solid skills. Overall, she was smoking hot (to me), but didn't have the greatest attitude. I guess I wouldn't either if I had to work at a place like that. However, based purely on work ethic and demeanor after being choked, I give her a 9/10.

Will definitely return to this place. Anyone to the two-fer?

Hi,

Guys,

I'm having a layover of 24 hrs.

Would appropriate leads on hotels & mongering.

All though I have visited BKK earlier, but its been a long now.

As I have limited time, I'm not planning on experimenting. Yes i do knw there are many options like escorts , bj bars , and what not but i'm looking for some to visit me in my hotel and not much of outing

Please do recommend some great options.

For the last week or so I have noticed few if any Vietnamese freelancers standing in their usual station on the sidewalk in front of Hillary 1 Bar Soi 4. I saw a few girls lingering around there a couple of nights ago but they were not the same ones that had been working that location for months and might have been Thai anyway.

Does anyone know what happened to them? Visa violation sweep? Coronavirus fright flight? Or have I just not passed by there at the right times in the evening to see them in full force as before?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2418093]For the last week or so I have noticed few if any Vietnamese freelancers standing in their usual station on the sidewalk in front of Hillary 1 Bar Soi 4. I saw a few girls lingering around there a couple of nights ago but they were not the same ones that had been working that location for months and might have been Thai anyway.

Does anyone know what happened to them? Visa violation sweep? Coronavirus fright flight? Or have I just not passed by there at the right times in the evening to see them in full force as before?[/QUOTE]The Vietnamese celebrate Chinese New Year. It's called Tet. I imagine they went home to be with their families.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2418095]The Vietnamese celebrate Chinese New Year. It's called Tet. I imagine they went home to be with their families.[/QUOTE]Ah, that would explain it. Thanks, Goatscrot.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2418127]Ah, that would explain it. Thanks, Goatscrot.[/QUOTE]Just an educated guess. If they are not back in a week or so then something else is up.

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Ok, it is what it is.

I just like to put 6000 baht in my pocket and go wild in Bangkok and see where it takes me.

That is normally my budget and I stick to it. Even if that means I have to walk across half of Bangkok. So be it. I'm a Cheap Charlie.

Where did that take me today?

First, food at some Japanese joint close to soy cowboy, 500 baht "kaching". Then I went to crazy house, since I liked it last time, but it was packed with koreans / chinese so I moved out. Went into Jungle jims, did not like the mood, went out. Went into Baccara, emptied some Rum coke and lady drinks, 1300 baht *kaching". Not very well spent money. Then bailed out from Soi Cowboy. All ladies are old for fuck sake! I'm in my forties and they look like my mum!

Went into a cab and off to "beam" hardcore techno, as "hardcore" as Bangkok gets I suppose. 500 baht entrance *kaching" Good party, had some red bull vodka, 700 baht. Closed at 2 am, too early for me, cab to Insanity, driver asked for 200 tell him to go away but setteled on 100. Gave him 200 anyway since he was from Isaan. Some more drinks decided to not go alone, 2000 baht + taxi to my hotel, + taxi home for her = 300 *kaching* ehhh. Fuck this, time to sleep, peace!

I noticed many gogo bars are empty or have less customers.

In Patpong area, I visited some bars, full of beautiful girls but a few customers inside. I think Patpong area, if you avoid the ping pong shows scams, it's a good area, and have many beauties in the bars.

In soi cowboy, less customers too. I remember 1-2 years ago, Baccara was totally full, and now it's only half full.

I really like gogo bars and I wonder why this happen. Or maybe it's only my perception.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TutLi;2418056]
As I have limited time, I'm not planning on experimenting. Yes i do knw there are many options like escorts , bj bars , and what not but i'm looking for some to visit me in my hotel and not much of outing

Please do recommend some great options.[/QUOTE]No answers coming yet! It's all been answered before. Might help if you state more clearly what you look for. Otherwise why would someone make an effort?

[QUOTE=Sammon;2417282]
You should worry more about the diseases girls carry being with so many men than Wulan virus. By the way Wulan girls are very pretty. I had two long time girlfriends from there.
[/QUOTE]Did the spelling auto corrector get you? I thought it was Wuhan (Wulan is an Indonesian girls name).

Wuhan may have some pretty girls, but they might be the exception. Average Chinese looks are not quite my thing, a lot of goofy faces in the typical crowd pic. The face type that I like is sometimes described as the inverted triangle shape and is largely missing in average Chinese girls.

Maybe the 4th girl in the group of 5 pic is right face shape for me.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2417160]I am planning a trip to Bangkok. Is the health scare related to the Wuhan Corona virus having any consequences for mongering in Bangkok? E. g. Are some places closed or fewer girls available, or fewer mongers?

My hypothesis would be that there would be no fewer girls, but perhaps a bit fewer mongers and thus it might even be a good time to go to Bangkok. On the other hand, if it gets really bad, being stuck in Bangkok with places shutting down, controls at airports and everyone waring a face mask doesn't seem very fun. Especially for a DFK aficionado like me.[/QUOTE]Same here better to control the urge for some time, than traveling with anxiety and spoiling the trip.

So this was my first trip to Thailand and I was here for 15 days. These are my observations:

1) GoGo bars: They are fun to spend time at. You may find 1 or 2 sexy ones at each gogo but cost to fuck is just too much considering bar fines and what those girls are offering. I think they are nice just to get teased and excited before going to your room to fuck a freelancer or a spa girl. Just buy a drink and a lady drink and let them get you in a mood. Barfine if you got bahts to burn. Also I find Pattaya gogo girls to be putting in more effort than Bangkok.

2) Freelancers: Great value for money. You just need to look before you find a good one.

3) Massage parlours: I found them the best option. Not expensive and you can easily spot pretty ones. They will come to your hotel room for a hundred or two hundred extra. At lesser price you get to fuck and then get a nice massage afterwards. It was not new or exciting to me since we have a few Thai massage parlours in my city as well and all the masseurs are Thai offering same services at similar prices.

4) Nuru massage: My peak experience. This was a new experience to me and the spa I went to gave me awesome choices in girls. They were thin, short like school girls with sexy no flab tummies and boobs were big. The nuru gel was awesome. And even though we fucked in the middle of session, girl gave me service till my time was over. It was heaven (spa name as well as my one hour). Cost wise it is 800-1200 baht extra than normal massage parlour fucking but totally worth it. Next time I am getting more of these.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2418290]Did the spelling auto corrector get you? I thought it was Wuhan (Wulan is an Indonesian girls name).

Wuhan may have some pretty girls, but they might be the exception. Average Chinese looks are not quite my thing, a lot of goofy faces in the typical crowd pic. The face type that I like is sometimes described as the inverted triangle shape and is largely missing in average Chinese girls.

Maybe the 4th girl in the group of 5 pic is right face shape for me.[/QUOTE]I agree with your observation of Chinese women. The bodies are usually straight and not curvy, small thin legs and no bubble butts. There are exceptions but far and few.

IMHO, Indonesia and Thailand women have the best bodies. Indo for large breasts and Thai for overall sweetness.

RL.

Just landed in BKK, it feels like all my flights to here land at ungodly hours, just early enough into the night to think you'll have some time for fun but by the time you check in you might as well crash. Staying at Grande Centre Point T21 for a couple of nights. I've got an escort lined up tomorrow night but if any seniors have favorite spots for daytime fun (never tried Soapies) near T21 I'the be in your debt. Would be happy to trade info in the States (I know its the States but sometimes it's easier than trying to plan around 19 hour round trip flights).

Something that I noticed today at the airport, usually I will bring USD but will also pull some BHT via ATM for convenience. In every country I've been where ATMs present a local exchange rate or using the card issuer exchange rate, the card issuer exchange rate was superior. However this time around the ATM exchange rate was actually better (30.8 BHT for ATM vs. 30.6 for my bank). Pretty small difference but I've just never seen it in favor of the ATM rate before, wonder if it can get even better.

The situation in Bangkok is ok. Some people wear masks, there is probably a bit fewer tourists and mongers than there would otherwise have been, but life (including mongering) goes on as usual.

Thanks to whoever it was who recommended Kings Castle 1 in Patpong on the forum. At around 4000 Baht, it I s expensive, and but there a are e many girls and many of them a are e attractive. Pink Panther in Pat Pong used to be open later than the other bars (which close at 02:00), but not any more, or at least not always.

I find Bangkok is not a cheap mongering destination, but there are some very nice experiences to be had with slightly older or less attractive girls.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2418554]I agree with your observation of Chinese women. The bodies are usually straight and not curvy, small thin legs and no bubble butts. There are exceptions but far and few.

IMHO, Indonesia and Thailand women have the best bodies. Indo for large breasts and Thai for overall sweetness.

RL.[/QUOTE]Yes while typical Chinese round faces don't suit me, nor do the overly straight bodies with flat asses. I guess the good looking Chinese girls are less than 1%. I do find Indonesian girls to have good bodies. I used to do a 9 out of 10 Java girl in my home country. She got deported back to Indonesia when her relationship with boyfriend went bad. I was sad. She was so hot with great face and body. Unfortunately I don't even have a pic of her.

Fortunately the Chinese population is huge, so plenty of Chinese beauties do exist. I think it varies by location. A 4 day visit to a friend in Guangzhou, I hardly saw a Chinese girl that impressed me for the whole visit. Even I met "Miss China" winner of a beauty competition at the golf club, she was very tall, very straight body, looked just like a lady boy to me, face nothing special for me.

Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):

[URL]http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-hot-chinese-actresses/[/URL]

Its just personal taste. Others much prefer Chinese over Thai, especially if big tits and white skin. In fact Thai men prefer Chinese girls with big tits and white skin over real Thai look girls, generally. I see how Thai men choose at Soapy MPs.

I would not consider living in Hong Kong or Guangzhou. I hated the culture and the girls did not appeal. I assume Shianghai is much better.

To be fair, out in the Issan village where my GF comes from, I find her to be the only hot adult female in town (some children are good looking and have not yet left for the big city). I know some other reasonably sexy girls from same province, but different villages. So a fairly low portion of the Issan girls are really hot for me too. Maybe its not much different to chinese proportions. I am very happy my small GF still has a great curvy body at 40 years old. Still a hot ass. However it causes me to be too fussy when mongering I think.

[QUOTE=AlexJino;2418266]I noticed many gogo bars are empty or have less customers.

In Patpong area, I visited some bars, full of beautiful girls but a few customers inside. I think Patpong area, if you avoid the ping pong shows scams, it's a good area, and have many beauties in the bars.

In soi cowboy, less customers too. I remember 1-2 years ago, Baccara was totally full, and now it's only half full.

I really like gogo bars and I wonder why this happen. Or maybe it's only my perception.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Lots of reasons, but my guess at the main one is they are ridiculously expensive. BFs keep climbing and gals want more and more. There is no value, and I think even some tourists are catching on. The coyote and then agency thing really screwed up the business model. Want customers back? Bring BFs back to 500 Baht and get ST prices back at 1500. Bars will be loaded.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2418290]Did the spelling auto corrector get you? I thought it was Wuhan (Wulan is an Indonesian girls name).

Wuhan may have some pretty girls, but they might be the exception. Average Chinese looks are not quite my thing, a lot of goofy faces in the typical crowd pic. The face type that I like is sometimes described as the inverted triangle shape and is largely missing in average Chinese girls.

Maybe the 4th girl in the group of 5 pic is right face shape for me.[/QUOTE]Interesting, The last gal in the group, left to right, is IMHO amazing. Great face, great skin color, just excellent. I'd rate most all but one and 2 above most Thai gals I see.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2418606]Yes while typical Chinese round faces don't suit me, nor do the overly straight bodies with flat asses. I guess the good looking Chinese girls are less than 1%. I do find Indonesian girls to have good bodies. I used to do a 9 out of 10 Java girl in my home country. She got deported back to Indonesia when her relationship with boyfriend went bad. I was sad. She was so hot with great face and body. Unfortunately I don't even have a pic of her.

Fortunately the Chinese population is huge, so plenty of Chinese beauties do exist. I think it varies by location. A 4 day visit to a friend in Guangzhou, I hardly saw a Chinese girl that impressed me for the whole visit. Even I met "Miss China" winner of a beauty competition at the golf club, she was very tall, very straight body, looked just like a lady boy to me, face nothing special for me.

Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):

[URL]http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-hot-chinese-actresses/[/URL]

Its just personal taste. Others much prefer Chinese over Thai, especially if big tits and white skin. In fact Thai men prefer Chinese girls with big tits and white skin over real Thai look girls, generally. I see how Thai men choose at Soapy MPs.

I would not consider living in Hong Kong or Guangzhou. I hated the culture and the girls did not appeal. I assume Shianghai is much better.

To be fair, out in the Issan village where my GF comes from, I find her to be the only hot adult female in town (some children are good looking and have not yet left for the big city). I know some other reasonably sexy girls from same province, but different villages. So a fairly low portion of the Issan girls are really hot for me too. Maybe its not much different to chinese proportions. I am very happy my small GF still has a great curvy body at 40 years old. Still a hot ass. However it causes me to be too fussy when mongering I think.[/QUOTE]Yep, I prefer Chinese over Thai. Those top 20 are unreal.

If I was planning a trip to Southeast Asia from the West now, I would cancel it. I myself am leaving Bangkok for Cambodia today for a variety of reasons, this virus has just expedited it.

Quite honestly, the mongering seen in Bangkok isn't like it used to be For tourists. If you are a first-timer, you're going to pay as much as you do in the West if not more depending on where you go. If you are living here, or staying here as a snowbird like I do, then it's still decent.

On this trip I have been in Bangkok since August, and while I do go to a go-go every now and then for amusement, I have not bar fined out of a go-go in years. Basically, especially in soy cowboy, they are a little more than clip joints for Asian tourists.

Now if your goal is to eat great food, and enjoy the atmosphere and see cool stuff, with some ability to grab some hottie as a bonus, then it's worth while coming. Use the massage parlors in the prom pong area or go to thermae. Usually, when I give my let's get laid tours, my lesser heeled clients find something they like in terme, the ones who don't care about cost end up the all-nighters, including mixx.

Keep in mind that starting around Christmas time, and lasting at least till the middle of next month, the air sucks all up and down the Chao Phraya valley. Too bad that's also the coolest time of year in terms of heat.

I've been avoiding the tourist area down on lower Suk for the past the two weeks but one of my homeboys told me it's dead. I live near a very popular Thai food Street and last night it was dead there too. My biggest concern about coming to Bangkok now would be the inability to get out because already, some taxi driver has been diagnosed with the virus and you never know when they make those things down.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2418618]Lots of reasons, but my guess at the main one is they are ridiculously expensive. BFs keep climbing and gals want more and more. There is no value, and I think even some tourists are catching on. The coyote and then agency thing really screwed up the business model. Want customers back? Bring BFs back to 500 Baht and get ST prices back at 1500. Bars will be loaded.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. BF are around 1000 and st 3000, that's too expensive. In gogo bars you can find always the hottest girls and see their body and attitude very good before choosing, that's why I like gogo bars very much in comparison with massages places or other options.

[QUOTE=AlexJino;2418920]Totally agree. BF are around 1000 and st 3000, that's too expensive. In gogo bars you can find always the hottest girls and see their body and attitude very good before choosing, that's why I like gogo bars very much in comparison with massages places or other options.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The current prices are way too high and they will stay that way as long as people are paying.

Had my flight changed and added 2 extra days to my trip, flew into BKK at 2 am with 5 people on the entire plane, immigration was a breeze, staying at Grande Centre Point T21. By the time I got checked in it was 4 am and didn't want to make the effort to clean up and go to Cowboy.

Day 1.

Hit up Doki Doki at 11 AM. Too early, only 3 in the line up, chose Happy for 90 m. Her face is much better than her body, which is showing it's age. The dress did an amazing job hiding that and I suspect it's the same for most of the girls. She was very enthusiastic however and performed better than I expected. The nuru slide was good for what I've experienced in Thailand. BBBJ with ball play, multiple positions, after the first pop cleaned up, went to the bed, got a weak massage, went for a second round, more BBBJ and multiple positions, cleaned up after the second pop and left. 3200 BHT, appearance 4/10 experience 7/10. I think you can probably do a lot better coming here later in the day or by making a booking.

Went back and relaxed, hit up some TF, Tinder, Wechat and old contacts to line things up for later in the trip. Had an escort lined up with TonyBKK. Had miscommunication on hotel and took almost 2 hours for her to show up (There are several Grande Centre Points in Sukhumvit and traffic is abysmal). She looked as described in the photo, spinner with bolt ONS. English skills was limited but spoke pretty good Chinese so we just communicated using that. Pretty intelligent girl and composes herself well, but a bit shy. Doesn't seem like she does this often. Grabbed some dinner at a rooftop bar and headed back to the hotel. Was shy in bed as well but very good once in the act. Not much into BBBJ but great in multiple positions and very tight. Fell asleep cuddling and went for a second round the next morning before I bid her goodbye. Appearance 8/10 experience 8/10. This was very expensive encounter, and the girl was not the highest tier in Tony's lineup, but I'm used to paying US rates.

Day 2.

Cleaned up and prepped to head to Pattaya, decided to hit up Daisy Dreams at 1 pm but there was only 2 girls in the line up and another monger in front of me. Seems like the line between too early and too late is a fine one. Was told there were a lot of customers so I left. Grabbed a taxi over to Poseidon instead, got there at around 2:30 PM, was shown the fishbowl, not a lot of options (only one floor at that time actually), nothing outstanding so I chose a smaller cute lower priced girl named Donut trying to catch my eye. Paid the fee and went up to the room, which was not great. Donut wasn't hiding anything under the dress and was pretty fit. Got a good dry massage, followed with the soapy massage in the tub, haven't gone to a soapy before but IMO not anything near as good as nuru. Cleaned up, went on the bed, got a cat bath and CBJ as she did not want to do BBBJ. Started in cowgirl, multiple positions and popped back in cowgirl. Cleaned up and got another good dry massage before I left. 2600 to the house and 300 to the girl. Appearance 6/10 experience 6/10. Not great especially the room itself after reading some rave reviews on the web. Might try a different Soapie at a later time since I was told more girls show up around 5/6 PM by the Mamasan.

Heading to Pattaya as I write this report. Overall mediocre first two days, also still very tired due to travel and the ungodly arrival time. Don't have any plans for Pattaya ATM and will probably just relax and take it slow before I head back to Bangkok for a few more days next Wednesday.

Side notes.

Grande Centre Point T21 has been better than expected. Great location, good staff, breakfast is OK but I've had better for the 400 they are currently charging. It's right next door to Cowboy but I didn't partake. Lot of girls coming in and out. Also very popular with mongers and tourists alike. Booked a premium room at last minute for about $140 a night, room is very large with separate living area and bedroom, excellent views as well. Was told some premium rooms have washer and dryers but mine did not.

Also, did Doki Doki switch location? I believe I've visited about a year and a half ago, and they had a different set up (no lineup with a selection from iPad at reception and in a building with 3/4 floors). I remember that shop was in an alley on the right side of a side street. Maybe I'm misremembering, but that previous nuru experience was excellent, just as good as my experiences in Japan.

Jackson, you called my post argumentative, when all I did was object to pictures that were obviously taken from a dating site and passed off as genuine. If you carefully monitor the New Delhi forum others were of the same opinion and I just didn't want this to be carried further in the Thailand forum. There should be some control over the use of fake pictures.

[blue]Then... Why you did not redact your report like this. You can Report the post too, without being argumentative.

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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2418606].............Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):

[URL]http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-hot-chinese-actresses/[/URL]

...................[/QUOTE]Every single one of these actresses appeals to me. I especially like Zhang Yuqi. I guess I'm easy to please.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2419405]Every single one of these actresses appeals to me. I especially like Zhang Yuqi. I guess I'm easy to please.[/QUOTE]Haha almost all of them look hot me too. But remember most of these pics are photoshopped usually and taken drom good cameras and lots of lighting. Even I look 5 times better in pictures than jn real LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2419405]Every single one of these actresses appeals to me. I especially like Zhang Yuqi. I guess I'm easy to please.[/QUOTE]I like Nos. 1 to 4, 10 and 19. No.6 looks fab except for bad wonky nose job (easily seen in other pics of her). No. 5 looks strange. Your No. 20 does not really do it for me. We are all different.

The good looking chinese girls for me, I suspect would be well out of my league. The odd good looking uneducated penniless Lao girls, much easier to find for me.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2419525]Haha almost all of them look hot me too. But remember most of these pics are photoshopped usually and taken drom good cameras and lots of lighting. Even I look 5 times better in pictures than jn real LOL.[/QUOTE]Photoshopped or not it is impossible that any one of those babes would be ugly enough for me not to unhesitatingly run miles in the absence of transport to take the opportunity to pay to bang them. I have paid to bang worse. Much worse. Believe me.

Hey Dudes,

First of all big shout out to Natty Bumpo who helped me with a wealthy information regarding the Spas in Bangkok. This is a month old review as I could get time to post this now only.

After getting the feedback decided to try Maira Hotel & Spa. Although expensive there were a few models who were really goodlooking.

However my selection went wrong (I blame myself to select the given lady). The boobs were implants, kitty were loose and there were no proper GFE experience.

She just rushed out. The deed was fo 6 k THB for 2 hours. However the lady finished within 1 hour and came out. Overall disappointing experience. Couldnot even compare to Honey or Honey 2 in pattaya. Below are my score card.

Place: 8/10.

Girls Quality: 8/10.

Girl I chose: 6/10.

Service: 3/10.

WIR: Maybe not. As I prefer Honey of pattaya to Maria Hotel.

Regards.

Cooldoode6.

[QUOTE=CoolDoode6;2420133]
WIR: Maybe not. As I prefer Honey of pattaya to Maria Hotel.

Regards.

Cooldoode6.[/QUOTE]Its hard to rate a place based on a single girl. You can get a dud anywhere. I never found that higher priced girls were better overall, in fact very few of them were worth repeating. Some of the very good performers were cheap girls. So it seems the premium is mainly for the looks of the girl. My one try at the Lord was very ordinary girl for performance, yet expensive.

My regular girl at La Belle, went downhill in looks (from nose job) and in service, yet she moved to a higher price category. I never had any other girls worth repeating there. A lot of bad luck, suspect bodies hidden under clothes, and dick scared girls common.

I suspect there is the problem of girls arrogantly over rating themselves, and not being humble and doing their best.

Lower level girls may realise that they are very dependent on repeat customers, and therefore really try hard to please. Stunning girls can get plenty of non repeat bookings, so may not try as hard.

I have had some really good performers that were also stunning, but its not always easy to find them. In Soapies, I always like to watch girls in the fishbowl or line up for long periods, to try to see from facial expressions if they might be a really nice character or obviously too arrogant.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2418894]
Quite honestly, the mongering seen in Bangkok isn't like it used to be For tourists. If you are a first-timer, you're going to pay as much as you do in the West if not more depending on where you go. If you are living here, or staying here as a snowbird like I do, then it's still decent.
[/QUOTE]You must have been out of the west for a long time, the prices for anything resembling the quality or ease of even a somewhat bad deal in BKK are a massive bargain and ease compared to most places in the west. Sure, some specific exceptions or good luck spots apply, but go to most places in the west and good fucking luck with anything like the BKK scene. Hell even stuff like partytreffs are getting priced up big for bad service with an angry romanian girl.

1. Angelwitch: There were some really hot girls in there, but also a handful who need to drop this profession immediately and go do something else. Girls tend to be on the more thick side, almost none were what I'd call "skinny". The show / performance thing between the regular gogo gyration / dancing is kinda cool, but I wouldn't call it arousing or sexy. There was one sorta thick but very pretty and massive breasted girl in there who quoted a 900 barfine and 3 k short time. She said no long time which I found flabbergasting. No way I'm going to a gogo bar unless I'm going long time with a super high caliber girl.

2. Spankys: I'm a guy who likes thin or normal weight girls in thongs with big fake boobs. This place basically focuses on that. 3. 7 k short time though, kinda steep. Long time "up to the girl". Long time with one of these girls might be worth it, actually. Still, if I were looking for a drink and a warmup before I grab a freelancer outside of nana, this would be my hangout for sure.

3. Baccara: Very hot girls here, but they have petite look. High % of fake boobs on the second floor. First floor just sucks, don't bother. These girls have a unique "lolita but with breast implants" look I did not see literally anywhere else. It's sooo crowded and noisy in here though which is distracting. If you happen to like chesty girls (two groups that don't often overlap), this is the perfect spot for you. Didn't ask about prices.

4. Crazy house: Appropriately named. Complete chaos, but some absolute knockout 10/10 girls among them. I mean of course not all of them are, but if you're looking for the absolute hottest girl you can find, this is a safe bet. It's ridiculously crowded and noisy in here. A cover charge and a 1 drink minimum is stupid; just make me buy a drink at the entrance please, I don't care if the first one is 100 more so I don't have to yell for the waitress to hear me. Didn't ask prices because my boner died from all the noise and booze.

5. Bee at Cherry Massage: I saw her pictures on the website and noticed she offered A+ service. Looked like an ultra hot 9/10 in photos. The girl in person looks almost nothing like the one in the pictures; they advertise her as like 5'3 and 48 kg, but she is about 5'5 and 60 kg and very dark skinned unlike the photo. Puts on a pound of makeup as well. She does have nice fake boobs though. Mamasan said she's usually fully booked and constantly busy, so I made an appointment. Service was fairly poor right from the beginning. Completely mechanical, told me to hurry up or I wouldn't be able to do a second pop. Massage was surprisingly good, however. I made up an excuse after popping to try to leave early because I'd booked 90 minutes and she seemed palpably miserable, but she was onto me and started apologizing profusely and asking if she did anything wrong. She said she wasn't feeling great and had a headache that day. Maybe I just caught her on a bad day, but sorry hun, the attitude shift needed to come 45 minutes earlier and you get paid the same either way. With better service I probably would have repeated as she was still overall very hot and A+ service for I believe what was only 2. 3 k. I can't recommend against her, give it a try and maybe you'll have better luck.

6. ? At Angel Massage. They wear major pushup bras so what you see isn't what you get once the bras come off. One girl was looking at me like crazy and even though there were a few more attractive ones, I decided to go with her. Excellent service, really good body slide technique, great regular massage, awesome blowjob, and great sex. She says she likes bodybuilders (I am very obviously one) and then showed me a bunch of weird Thai youtube fitness videos. She demanded my line and blew up my phone the next few days asking if she could come over offering freebies / if we could go to the gym together. Unfortunately, she was just not my type physically so I ended up turning her down. Price was 2. 2 k for "60" minutes but it ended up being 90 and I was not charged more.

7. Ja at Bamboo: Excellent service / technique. She is not the prettiest girl, but still looks okay and her body is close to a 10/10 to compensate. Excellent massage / body slide, A+ service for an extra 500, some truly amazing oral technique, pretty damn good English, and overall friendly and interesting to talk to. If a fella were in Thailand the very first time, I'd send him here first. Pics aren't representative, but unlike Bee above, she really is about 5'3 and 44 kg. But it's a fairly fit 44 kg from small bone structure and with good muscle tone; not an anorexic and unhealthy looking 44 kg.

8. Freelancer "Amy" outside nana plaza area soi 4: Big eyes, big natural boobs that will look fake in her pushup bra, medium dark skin, 5'5 maybe 125 lbs, looks slightly Vietnamese but is not. She wears short jean shorts, heels, and a sleeveless shirt. I visited her twice. Only 1 k for short time, 2 k long time. There's a motel nearby she likes to use that costs 300. First visit with her went great, she likes to talk dirty. She won't do BBBJ though. Second time went poorly, but it was my issue. I hurt my ankle the day before and when I started banging her in doggy, my ankle randomly flared up and felt so painful I couldn't finish. It was visibly swollen and I had already been liming around so I don't think she was too offended, yet I could tell she took it personally.

9. ? At Angelina Massage, Line name is "meentra" but I honestly can't recall what she told me to call her: Very thin and long legged girl with enormous DD fake tits and big aerolas. Face is not remotely pretty, but body looks a bit like a medium dark skinned Thai version of porn star Danielle Derek. Long skinny legs, petite and somewhat flat butt. She's a party girl and I'm surprised she doesn't choose to work at a gogo as she's full of energy and will literally sing to herself and dance. 0 massage. I visited her three times, and one of those she chugged a huge pitcher of beer in a 90 minute span. You're in the wrong profession, honey, and hotter than like 80% of the gogo girls in Nana. English is okay and she let me do spontaneous A+ for a bit, but will charge an extra 1 k if you want her to actually prep for it and do it "fully". She's 35 and looks about a decade younger except in the face. She will get mad if you pop more than once but don't tip. More than once and she wants a 200 baht tip, which I think is reasonable considering the base price of only 1. 7 k.

10. ? Vietnamese freelancer with watermelon tits outside nana. Wechat name "Paradise Life" She is very pale skinned, T+A for days, kinda thick but still has a comparatively small waist / stomach and visibly looks very different from the Thai freelancers. Silicon and beyond double deez. If you read this post and see her, you'll know immediately. English is okay but not great. Went to her room which was a bad choice as AC worked poorly so I was sweating like crazy. She is easily the most visually pleasing woman I was with during my Thai adventures, but her vagina is incredibly loose. No BBBJ. Has not done A+ before but seemed open to trying with some prep. I ran into her on her last night in Thailand before she went home to Vietnam. She was just so hot that I even made plans to come back in the morning and see her once more as she had time before she needed to go to the airport. She was pleasantly surprised when I followed up and came for the second visit. Afterword, she asked if I would fly to Vietnam to meet her, as I'd be gone from Thailand by the time she came back. I may have accepted if not for the looseness, glad I didn't though as this was early in my trip and I met so many other really nice babes after her.

11. Vicky at Boss Massage (can't remember the name and her line name is in Thai): This place mostly gets Asian customers. The girl is long limbed with small-to-medium sized fake boobs that you probably can't tell are fake when she's clothed. First visit was normal and she kept exclaiming "OMG! You sexy! You body so good", which of course I interpret as "come back and help me make more money! Her pussy is literally painfully tight. Popped twice. BJ technique above average. Well, I had a good time so I went for a second visit, and that's where things took an interesting turn. My unit was tired and sore; like I said she's tight and I popped twice the day before. After the first pop with her on day two I just wanted to rest and enjoy the massage. She wasn't having it though. Kept reaching for my unit and I was literally batting her away the first few times. But alas, it stood tall. Then, without putting on a rubber, she got on top and put in just the tip. I pulled away. Process repeated again. Finally on the third time it just felt so good I gave in. Got to be the first time a girl pressures a customer into sticking it in for one more pop. And this time raw. I'm 31 and this was the very first time I've had sex without a condom. Popped, immediately freaked out, then remembered I've been on steroids for 4 years straight and almost certainly infertile. Third day, I'll spare you the mushy details, but a romance begins. She comes over on her day off, we do the deed a bunch (I got her a morning after pill just to be safe), she doesn't ask for money, insists on paying when we go out to meals, we do all the sharing of life stories and all that. You guys don't want to read that shit, I'll spare you. She clearly wants a relationship and to move to the country where I live, which she has been to before on a visit. If her English level were better or she could speak some Chinese, I'd probably take her up on it as this is the best sex I've had in my life and my count is probably around 80 (meager I'm sure, for you Thailand vets). She has a unique and unfortunate situation where she no family that needs supporting and is actually being supported somewhat by an older sibling, otherwise I'd never consider it. I can come to Thailand 2-3 x / year, I'll definitely see her again.

12. Hana at Hera's massage. She is VERY pretty, petite, nice enhanced big see small dee, thin, maybe 5'1. 5. She's quite the hustler; she actually only comes here twice a week and has a sales job at a cosmetic surgery hospital. Most what she does is go to various massage shops to work part time and recruit the girls who work there to get cosmetic surgery at her hospital. Her income from referrals apparently well exceeds her earnings from massage place customers. She gives very good service overall and dresses really well. She's had quite a bit of work done and is veering on too much; some guys might be off put by the artificial looking face. She has mostly Asian customers, speaks a bit of Chinese / Japanese and has near fluent English. She intentionally adopts a very cute and "kawaii" personality which was perhaps a bit over the top. Clearly a very high IQ girl, which is understandably rare in this profession. But alas, although my two meetings with her in Hera's massage went well, she flaked when I set up a hotel meeting. She was the one who suggested we meet at my hotel instead of the massage place so I could pay less and she could earn more with no house fee. Set an appointment for 8, sent a message at 745 asking if she was on the way, no response until 8:45 saying "sorry I was asleep, I'll come now". Then no response until the next morning "fell asleep again". I'll still honestly probably repeat at least once. 2 k or 2.2 k at hera's forgot.

Thailand impressions from a younger guy:

It seems like all the youtube videos on do's and don'ts advice on Thailand girls are directed at the physically unattractive middle aged portly English gentleman or his Desi equivalent. I saw the bar girl ten commandments and a bunch of other youtube videos from a guy called Simon on the land of smiles youtube channel and got the impression that these ladies should detest a young visibly strong strong well endowed fella on a western middle class income and lives in a different third world Asian country; they go too hard on that p making it more difficult to work, they don't buy gifts, they generally take more effort and work, they take longer to pop, they want more pops. All these videos seem to paint a picture that the 45+ year old fat "gentle hearted" wealthy guy they can beguile into bringing them to the UK was the Thai girl's favorite customer. Maybe this is true; one can't ask and expect a truthful answer. Furthermore, these videos are talking about BAR girls; the type of girl who goes to work in a soapy / oily is going to be quite different from the type who works at a gogo bar / beer bar and it's not unreasonable to assume they have different preferences. But the fact is, they are still women with needs and their clientele are fairly unattractive overall, particularly at the more western catering massage places. And I should emphasize I say that in reference to massage places; I did notice quite a lot of handsome younger guys in the gogo bars but not in the beer bars. There's a lot of good looking and younger men at the Asian catering places, though. When a handsome younger guy walks in, a non-trivial portion of these girls are actually pretty excited about it to the extent they want to meet you outside of work just for recreation and not for work without a house fee. Two, in my case, with others offering to meet at the hotel for a discounted rate. Another was somewhat mercenary and suggested that if I pay for hotel+food and take her to hua hin on a holiday, her services would be free.

I'm a guy who can't avoid thinking about maximizing value. In my perspective, strictly in terms of a "per baht" efficiency, it goes like this: 1. Freelancer 2. Oily Massage, 3. Soapy Massage (quite variable, some are even cheaper than Oily massage), 4. Gogo. I don't have enough experience with beer bars to place them, but I'm guessing it's maybe just slightly less cost efficient than freelancers. The prices at these gogos when you consider drink minimums is crazy. I can see it being very worthwhile, however, if you've got a really nice hotel and are going for long time. You could have a lot of awesome experiences for a relatively low price per pop going this way. Problem to me is, in a gogo environment it's going to be so hard to figure out which girls you have the right chemistry for that to happen with. I can "feel out" a massage girl in that 1-on-1 private environment, "test drive", and figure out if that chemistry is there that would justify dropping barfine+longtime, but with a gogo bar this kind of screening is impossible. What if you get longtime with a girl who just isn't that into it? Maybe the Thailand vets have a system down for this. Maybe if you say you want long time they sort of automatically provide good service because they're relieved to be excused from the gogo for many hours. The girls in there honestly seem soulless, bored, impatient, and restless. It was an understandable contrast from the soapy and oily girls; the gogo ones have to move around, have a hard time chatting with friends / coworkers, can't use phones, got to be in a noisy and boozey crowded environment. The massage girls have a nice quiet relaxing environment, can sit outside if it's an oily, seem to have a lot of camaraderie with their coworkers, and generally gave off the impression that they were not at all unhappy with the job, whereas I got that vibe from gogo girls. The only ones that seemed not miserable were at Baccarra.

Beer bars seem promising; there's something nice about seeing girls in more "normal" but still sexy clothes rather than gogo uniforms which can range from awesome to atrocious. A lot of the beer bars were more relaxed and not too noisy like gogos and generally felt more pleasant to be in. It felt like every time I went, there were 0-2 women who were my type, 5 who were okay, and 20 who should be paying me not the other way around. I'd walk in and immediately be swarmed by these 20 ladies aged 35+ while the ones I was interested in were busy with other customers. IDK, maybe my standards have just been set too high by living in China so long. I don't know much about beer bars and only visited the handful outside Nana; I will investigate this further on my next visit if I can avoid spending all of my time with the one from Boss Massage. Although I'm sure ISG readers are well aware, it seems a lot of western tourists are totally unaware that the massage scene exists and is so robust. I saw very few in these massage shops. The vast majority in Nancy and Angelina were Thai local men; most of the time I was the only foreigner all day in those places!

I don't get the Tulip hype. I went in 3 times asking for Golf and she was never present. Most of the women were very ugly and into their 40's, although some had some nice fake boobs and dammit a man loves A+ with a small waist fake boobed Asian woman. Some of the women were literally obese! Is golf really much more attractive than most of the ladies in here?

Overall Thailand is a god damn paradise. I could never live here or I would get even less done with my life in terms of advancing career, making money, savings etc and would just spend all time / money on mongering. My next trip will be in June or August, I've yet to choose. I could choose not to work over the summer and spend a full 7 weeks there, but I don't think I could handle the temptation.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2418606]Yes while typical Chinese round faces don't suit me, nor do the overly straight bodies with flat asses. I guess the good looking Chinese girls are less than 1%. I do find Indonesian girls to have good bodies. I used to do a 9 out of 10 Java girl in my home country. She got deported back to Indonesia when her relationship with boyfriend went bad. I was sad. She was so hot with great face and body. Unfortunately I don't even have a pic of her.

Fortunately the Chinese population is huge, so plenty of Chinese beauties do exist. I think it varies by location. A 4 day visit to a friend in Guangzhou, I hardly saw a Chinese girl that impressed me for the whole visit. Even I met "Miss China" winner of a beauty competition at the golf club, she was very tall, very straight body, looked just like a lady boy to me, face nothing special for me.

Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):

[URL]http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-hot-chinese-actresses/[/URL]

Its just personal taste. Others much prefer Chinese over Thai, especially if big tits and white skin. In fact Thai men prefer Chinese girls with big tits and white skin over real Thai look girls, generally. I see how Thai men choose at Soapy MPs.

I would not consider living in Hong Kong or Guangzhou. I hated the culture and the girls did not appeal. I assume Shianghai is much better.

To be fair, out in the Issan village where my GF comes from, I find her to be the only hot adult female in town (some children are good looking and have not yet left for the big city). I know some other reasonably sexy girls from same province, but different villages. So a fairly low portion of the Issan girls are really hot for me too. Maybe its not much different to chinese proportions. I am very happy my small GF still has a great curvy body at 40 years old. Still a hot ass. However it causes me to be too fussy when mongering I think.[/QUOTE]Interesting perspective, thank you for sharing this. I have lived in China 4. 5 years and after a cumulative 25 days in Thailand across two visits; I think my preferences are shifting. I'd say I still prefer the far right tail of the Chinese girl distribution, but in terms of the more average girls, Thai girls kick their asses for several reasons. They are actually not that much whiter than Thais, on average, ime. You might get that impression from pictures because they are notorious for filtering / photoshopping their pictures until they barely resemble their real life images. There's a lot more national / ethnic pride, and whether its WGs or civilians, that right tail is largely inaccessible for non Chinese in China, whereas the right tail seems very accessible for foreigners with Thai women. I've been flatly refused service countless times from girls who make less than 1 k usd / month in China; I can't imagine this ever happening in Thailand.

I'd put it this way with regard to average girls: Chinese girls are very beautiful but not very sexy. Thai girls are extremely sexy, but not very beautiful. I'm talking about averages, not the exceptions. I feel like even among civilians and not WGs, I can find tons of Thai girls I'd love to just bang the bejesus out of, but they wouldn't exactly look great in a photograph. I can find tons of Chinese girls who look gorgeous and like they should be painted or in a photoshoot for a magazine, but weirdly are only slightly boner inducing. Chinese girls also dress abysmally; they have some of the worst fashion ever and seem to be in collective denial about what men find attractive, causing them to often conceal their more salacious and stimulating features. All the Chinese women I work with look far better in their formal work uniforms (medium length skirt+women's dress blouse+medium heels) than when they are allowed to dress themselves; I feel like this would never happen in any other country. I got to give credit to American women; they may be super fat and unattractive on average, but at least the attractive minority know how to dress and present themselves probably better than anyone else in the world. Thais do well on this as well, however.

Chinese WGs generally have awful attitudes and you'd be shocked at how poorly they treat customers; plenty of shit they do and say to customers on a routine basis would be grounds for being fired instantly if they worked in Thailand. There's been a huge crackdown since 2017 so finding full services as a foreigner requires pre-existing connections from before the crackdown unless you can read fluently.

I found large breasted Thais easier to find than large boobed Chinese. Again it's partly the collective delusion Chinese women have about what men find attractive and a desire not to look "trashy" for facing scorn from female friends / colleagues, breast surgery is extremely rare even among financially successful WGs (I've met 4 out of maybe 60 ish) and the ones with big naturals seem to go out of their way to hide them to avoid the judgement of women or to attract "the wrong kind of man".

Never had a proper Thai GF, but Chinese GF as a foreigner (or even as a Chinese) can be absolutely nightmarish. They become incredibly demanding after you're about 9 months in, but alas this is the Bangkok thread so I won't write out another novel about that.

Lastly, as you say, it's a huge country so there's a big amount of regional variation. Locals seem to exalt the Sichuan women; but I've found northern Chinese women the most attractive, despite their more masculine behaviour.

[QUOTE=CoconutWater89;2420215]Thailand impressions from a younger guy:

It seems like all the youtube videos on do's and don'ts advice on Thailand girls are directed at the physically unattractive middle aged portly English gentleman or his Desi equivalent. I saw the bar girl ten commandments and a bunch of other youtube videos from a guy called Simon on the land of smiles youtube channel and got the impression that these ladies should detest a young visibly strong strong well endowed fella on a western middle class income and lives in a different third world Asian country; they go too hard on that p making it more difficult to work, they don't buy gifts, they generally take more effort and work, they take longer to pop, they want more pops. All these videos seem to paint a picture that the 45+ year old fat "gentle hearted" wealthy guy they can beguile into bringing them to the UK was the Thai girl's favorite customer. Maybe this is true; one can't ask and expect a truthful answer. Furthermore, these videos are talking about BAR girls; the type of girl who goes to work in a soapy / oily is going to be quite different from the type who works at a gogo bar / beer bar and it's not unreasonable to assume they have different preferences..[/QUOTE]I'm just going to say that your point about gogo girls being happy to getting taken out for LT is probably not true most of the time.

These gogo girls (even the freelancers / Thermae bar girls) are actually looking for ST especially early in the night. They want to go as many rounds of ST as possible and hence would quote you a much higher price for LT these days.

You might have more luck if its later in the night or if you are a "handsome young man".

[QUOTE=Giggsy838;2420387]I'm just going to say that your point about gogo girls being happy to getting taken out for LT is probably not true most of the time.

These gogo girls (even the freelancers / Thermae bar girls) are actually looking for ST especially early in the night. They want to go as many rounds of ST as possible and hence would quote you a much higher price for LT these days.

You might have more luck if its later in the night or if you are a "handsome young man".[/QUOTE]I am going to agree. Most of the go go bar girls I have liked have a preference for ST, and many are extremely reluctant to do LT, some saying they don't do LT at all (which may not be totally true). Money can buy anything but a very expensive LT is not going to be worthwhile.

One girl knocked me back late at night even for ST, saying why didn't I take her earlier while she still had the energy to a longer ST.

Some girls need their sleep, at least from 4 am onwards, and know they won't get a good night's sleep doing a LT. Others have to get home to the parents, the BF, the child or the baby.

Some bargirls will refuse LT but agree to return to your room in the morning for another ST round. The problem is not a very good percentage will actually show up. Depends how much they need the money.

I have done rather few LTs in the last few years, yet way back when I was 35 YO, it was all long time bookings with bargirls or Thermae girls, and was ridiculously cheap for all night. So you could really get your monies worth with multiple fucks. Girls were so cheap that one would be stupid to sleep alone. I did not do many massage girls in those days as they were more expensive. Ha ha. However used to take a Thermae Soapy MP girl all night, and even for multiple day holidays, separate from her employ. Some tit jobs in those days but not many nose jobs, and all my girls were all natural. 20 years later, I think she would have been happy to marry me, but she had gone downhill too much. Not slim enough any more and a little crazy.

[QUOTE=CoconutWater89;2420225] I'd say I still prefer the far right tail of the Chinese girl distribution, but in terms of the more average girls, Thai girls kick their asses for several reasons. They are actually not that much whiter than Thais, on average, imo.

I'd put it this way with regard to average girls: Chinese girls are very beautiful but not very sexy. Thai girls are extremely sexy, but not very beautiful. I'm talking about averages, not the exceptions.

I found large breasted Thais easier to find than large boobed Chinese.

Never had a proper Thai GF, but Chinese GF as a foreigner (or even as a Chinese) can be absolutely nightmarish. They become incredibly demanding after you're about 9 months in, but alas this is the Bangkok thread so I won't write out another novel about that.

Lastly, as you say, it's a huge country so there's a big amount of regional variation. Locals seem to exalt the Sichuan women; but I've found northern Chinese women the most attractive, despite their more masculine behaviour.[/QUOTE]I agree that the Chinese beauties are on the far end of the bell curve distribution. I am surprised that you find average Chines girls to be beautiful.

There are plenty of Thai girls that are of Chinese ancestry in Bangkok. I have rarely picked them in Soapies (if obviously Chinese), because they tend to be more voluptuous (overweight), or if skinny, very straight bodied non curvy, and not many of the obvious Chinese faces are pretty to me. Yet Thai men seem to go for them more than the normal Thai looks. I never could tell if Chinese girls had bigger tits really or just stuffed / padded bras.

Thailand may have less regional variation in looks than China, but not sure. Some southern Thais don't look Thai at all. I hardly count them all as Thais. Other Southern Thailand girls can look quite similar to Issan girls. Just depends if they have any Malay ancestry or not. Northern Thai beauties is a bit of a myth to me. Some nice ones. Many can have broad faces.

Since I like slim girls, I don't find that many have big tits, but manage a natural Cee-Cup sometimes without going to fat girls. I like exotic girls and black girls too (although too few black girls are very pretty especially in Bangkok). Miss Chile and Miss S Africa attached, and a pic of 3 pretty Japanese girls (I like them all), Indonesian and a Kenyan (quite similar look to my favourite Lao girl but darker). So I can do a wide variety of nationalities but just the average China girl standard is a bit low. I suppose we could say the same for Viets, Thai, Philipinas, Indonesian, Indian, etc. I suppose one can see from the attached pics that my style tends to be far from a typical Chinese look, liking the more exotic and don't need white skin.

Are Japanese girls better than Chinese on average? Which country in Asia has the best looking girls on average? Hard to say, and very dependent on personal taste, especially as I like slim faces. Java, Thai, and Philipina might be my preference based on past experiences with Indian girls last.

Strangely Thailand wins all the beauty competitions for Ladyboys, but not so much for the real girls. Meanwhile the girls like to have surgeries to try to look like LBs, ha ha.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2420193]You must have been out of the west for a long time, the prices for anything resembling the quality or ease of even a somewhat bad deal in BKK are a massive bargain and ease compared to most places in the west. Sure, some specific exceptions or good luck spots apply, but go to most places in the west and good fucking luck with anything like the BKK scene. Hell even stuff like partytreffs are getting priced up big for bad service with an angry romanian girl.[/QUOTE]No dude I travel a lot. The Poor schnooks that go to Go-Go bars and drop $300 would be better off in an FKK. Just remember that if they say they're Italian, they're really Romanian.

But hey, even though I'm relaxing here in Cambodia, I'll help you guys out when you're done with all the philosophy. There's a new BJ bar I am told on soy 33 named Tokyo. Somebody needs to go take one for the team so I know if it's worth while for me to stop in when I roll into Bangkok next.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2420502]I am going to agree. Most of the go go bar girls I have liked have a preference for ST, and many are extremely reluctant to do LT, some saying they don't do LT at all (which may not be totally true). Money can buy anything but a very expensive LT is not going to be worthwhile.

One girl knocked me back late at night even for ST, saying why didn't I take her earlier while she still had the energy to a longer ST.

Some girls need their sleep, at least from 4 am onwards, and know they won't get a good night's sleep doing a LT. Others have to get home to the parents, the BF, the child or the baby.

Some bargirls will refuse LT but agree to return to your room in the morning for another ST round. The problem is not a very good percentage will actually show up. Depends how much they need the money..[/QUOTE]You seem very experienced sir!

Seems many of the "old timers" always mention how much more value there was in Bangkok back in the day. Nowadays I suppose the rise of the Asian middle class has pushed prices much higher and lets not forget that Thailand is rapidly becoming a wealthier nation with more opportunities for Women.

Nowadays a LT will set you back at least 5 k at the minimum if not more for a stunner from a soapie or gogobar.

I guess your best shot at LT is to negotiate with the street FLs but that is always hit and miss in my opinion. You don't really have a chance to get to know them and of course safety is an issue sometimes.

Even Thermae girls are starting to turn down LT unless you offer a ridiculous price or wait till late in the night.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2420506]I agree that the Chinese beauties are on the far end of the bell curve distribution. I am surprised that you find average Chines girls to be beautiful.

There are plenty of Thai girls that are of Chinese ancestry in Bangkok. I have rarely picked them in Soapies (if obviously Chinese), because they tend to be more voluptuous (overweight), or if skinny, very straight bodied non curvy, and not many of the obvious Chinese faces are pretty to me. Yet Thai men seem to go for them more than the normal Thai looks. I never could tell if Chinese girls had bigger tits really or just stuffed / padded bras..[/QUOTE]No, quite the opposite. I mean more like the top 20% of Chinese girls are hotter than the top 20% of Thai girls, but the Thai girls who are around average are waayyyyy better than Chinese girls around average. Yeah I've also noticed that Thai bros in the soapies seem to love a more Chinese and East Asian ethnic look and dislike more SEA features. They also don't seem to care about curves as much.

Chinese girls, even seasoned WGs, are also complete starfish. I've had maybe 3 Chinese WGs and 1 civilian who had what I'd describe as good oral skills, with a lot flatly refusing to do it at all. A+? LOL, out of the question. Thais are amazing in bed, and I think many a man would prefer a 6/10 who knows how to please over an 8/10 who just lays there passively.

I don't have much experience with Vietnamese, but first impressions were very favorable. I got to get more time with them; there's a couple special bars they go to in Shanghai and of course they congregate at Soi 4 opposite the Hillary Bars near Nana.

We need a BJ bar directory.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407950]Thanks for all the replies. I wasn't expecting much.

Here's my takeaway.

Quiet place to drink and talk: Billboard.

Gogo bar: baccara.

Avoid arab gogo bards: Rio etc.

BJ bar: star of light, duagporn's haven.

Most important, read the forum.

On my previous 2 visits, I had a good run. wechat worked. I was able to hook up within an hour. Climax club worked out too. Not to mention I got bbbj at snow white and angel without asking.
I also visited another one, where I got 2 shots with cim. stupid me can't remember the name.[/QUOTE]

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I'm sure others have seen this and I've probably read reports on this subject. Last night I bar fined a Nana Plaza girl. Just before we walked out of the bar, she went through a pile of Thai IDs and chose the one she wanted to use at my hotel. She showed me the ID and laughed about it. It was not her.

Otherwise, the session was pretty standard stuff. Bar fine was 1200 at about 2:00 AM. She wanted 3000, but mamasan was interpreter to get price to 2500 short time.

Has anyone fucked this girl? Her name is Mea (pronounced May). Works at Hillary 4 on Soi 4. I only had a drink with her. She seemed to get a lot of drinks. Probably gets barfined every day.

I have 5-6 hrs at DMK and would like to squeeze in some action. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Has anyone been to Thermae or soi cowboy recently? Are numbers way down with most of the Chinese tourists locked down?

[QUOTE=AsianTravels;2421317]I have 5-6 hrs at DMK and would like to squeeze in some action. Any suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]That's barely enough time. With limited time, I'd go for one of the the PSE massage places (Tulip, Snow White, Cherry) between Phrom Phong and Thong Lor BTS stations. They tend to be open from about 10 am-midnight. The BTS Sukhumvit line now goes all the way up to Kasetsart University, and a taxi from there to the airport should only take 10-20 min, plus about 40 min on the BTS.

There are probably places in Don Mueang or Rangsit (like a small full-serice massage shop or two), but it's bound to be limited, and I don't know the specifics.

So what is the best place to find freelancers online ATM? Going to BKK in a week and want to try to find a few beforehand. Got 20 matches on Tinder pretty fast, but none of them were freelancers. They want to be friends or marry me:/ Anywhere else I can try?

[QUOTE=LineTwo;2421328]Has anyone been to Thermae or soi cowboy recently? Are numbers way down with most of the Chinese tourists locked down?[/QUOTE]Numbers of Chinese are down, numbers of Thai girls the same.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2421368]That's barely enough time. With limited time, I'd go for one of the the PSE massage places (Tulip, Snow White, Cherry) between Phrom Phong and Thong Lor BTS stations. They tend to be open from about 10 am-midnight. The BTS Sukhumvit line now goes all the way up to Kasetsart University, and a taxi from there to the airport should only take 10-20 min, plus about 40 min on the BTS.

There are probably places in Don Mueang or Rangsit (like a small full-serice massage shop or two), but it's bound to be limited, and I don't know the specifics.[/QUOTE]I figure the PSE places might be the safest bet. I was hoping someone would know a place closer to DMK though. Poseiden looks closest, but pricey.

Thanks for the tip on bts plus taxi.

[QUOTE=AsianTravels;2421429]Numbers of Chinese are down, numbers of Thai girls the same.[/QUOTE]Real shit show Saturday night outside on the side walk. Since no alcohol allowed for 24 hours there was no one inside and the whole circus was out front. Walked by (tried to walk by) around 7 pm and with all the Hookers, punters, and families it was almost impossible to get by. Saw many Chinese.

[QUOTE=LineTwo;2421328]Has anyone been to Thermae or soi cowboy recently? Are numbers way down with most of the Chinese tourists locked down?[/QUOTE]Two or three days ago was the first time I noticed a meangful decline in foot traffic on the skywalks around the malls and in the malls. My last cruise through Thermae was around the same time and I did note there was no longer a wide river of customers circling clockwise past the lineup. So, customers are definitely down. I should also say I did not detect any more smiles or responses to "Sawadee khrup" for this 60-ish farang from the best looking young girls in the place than before. Same with the better looking Freelancers on Soi 4 or anywhere else.

However, I have definitely been getting more "Hi. How are you?" Line messages out of the blue from recent past hot gogo dancer and FL contacts missing me so much and wanting to see me again today or tonight if possible. LOL. Always a sign of harder times out there.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2420905]Has anyone fucked this girl? Her name is Mea (pronounced May). Works at Hillary 4 on Soi 4. I only had a drink with her. She seemed to get a lot of drinks. Probably gets barfined every day.[/QUOTE]She may not be bar fineable at all. If she is getting a lot of drinks off customers and works behind the bar then the bar may not allow her to go as she is bringing in a lot of paying customers. Getting good bar staff isn't always easy either. If she has a sponsor, or three, then she probably wouldn't be interested in going with anyone. I knew a girl who worked behind a bar in Soi 7/1 a few years ago who was in this situation. She was getting around THB 60 k a month from three guys who were overseas, she had no reason to go with anyone.

[QUOTE=AsianTravels;2421317]I have 5-6 hrs at DMK and would like to squeeze in some action. Any suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]From DM walk out the front door and get on the #1 or #2 bus. I will take you direct to Mochit / Chatuchat 30 baht, with no stops and they use the Toll highway, where you can catch the MRT 35 baht direct to Sukumvit terminal. Or you can take from the same Mochit / Chatuchat stop, the BTS, 45 baht direct to Nana terminal at Soi 7/1. Get things done and reverse the travel back to DM.

Depends on the time of day for any travel in Bkk. If rush hour, forget it. Jerk off in the toilet. You do not have enough time during rush hours.

RL.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2421476]She may not be bar fineable at all. If she is getting a lot of drinks off customers and works behind the bar then the bar may not allow her to go as she is bringing in a lot of paying customers. Getting good bar staff isn't always easy either. If she has a sponsor, or three, then she probably wouldn't be interested in going with anyone. I knew a girl who worked behind a bar in Soi 7/1 a few years ago who was in this situation. She was getting around THB 60 k a month from three guys who were overseas, she had no reason to go with anyone.[/QUOTE]That wasn't my question. I know what I am asking. I don't know why you even bothered to reply when you know nothing about the girl. When people have preconceived notions about someone, they come up with all sorts of unsubstantiated assumptions to validate their preconceived notions.

The girl is a prostitute. She told me so. Of course, she did not use that exact term. And why are you assuming she works behind the bar? She doesn't. She was jumping from table to table in her very short mini-skirt for more and more lady's drinks telling the whole world that she was available for "takeaway". Is it because of the picture? I did not take the picture. If you look carefully, she is standing in front of what looks like a round table. I don't think the picture was taken at Hillary 4. But I'm not going to assume either way. Where the picture was taken is not even important.

[QUOTE=Jarlenm84;2421383]So what is the best place to find freelancers online ATM? Going to BKK in a week and want to try to find a few beforehand. Got 20 matches on Tinder pretty fast, but none of them were freelancers. They want to be friends or marry me:/ Anywhere else I can try?[/QUOTE]Smoochi is quite good, though most pics are heavily photoshopped. However, you can always send girl back if difference exceeds your acceptance threshold.

[QUOTE=CoconutWater89;2420646]No, quite the opposite. I mean more like the top 20% of Chinese girls are hotter than the top 20% of Thai girls, but the Thai girls who are around average are waayyyyy better than Chinese girls around average. Yeah I've also noticed that Thai bros in the soapies seem to love a more Chinese and East Asian ethnic look and dislike more SEA features. They also don't seem to care about curves as much.

Chinese girls, even seasoned WGs, are also complete starfish. I've had maybe 3 Chinese WGs and 1 civilian who had what I'd describe as good oral skills, with a lot flatly refusing to do it at all. A+? LOL, out of the question. Thais are amazing in bed, and I think many a man would prefer a 6/10 who knows how to please over an 8/10 who just lays there passively.

I don't have much experience with Vietnamese, but first impressions were very favorable. I got to get more time with them; there's a couple special bars they go to in Shanghai and of course they congregate at Soi 4 opposite the Hillary Bars near Nana.[/QUOTE]My best mongering encounter ever was with a Chinese Girl in Guangzhou. She used to be my regular until she raised her prices wayy too high for me. This girl always asked me to take pics on her phone with my cum in her mouth, if we did CIM it was already there, if not she'd take it out of the condom in her mouth for photo purpose!!

If you ever meet a Chinese Nympho, you can thank your stars.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2421476]She may not be bar fineable at all. If she is getting a lot of drinks off customers and works behind the bar then the bar may not allow her to go as she is bringing in a lot of paying customers. Getting good bar staff isn't always easy either. If she has a sponsor, or three, then she probably wouldn't be interested in going with anyone. I knew a girl who worked behind a bar in Soi 7/1 a few years ago who was in this situation. She was getting around THB 60 k a month from three guys who were overseas, she had no reason to go with anyone.[/QUOTE]Ummm. Why stop at 3, why not another 20 k a month.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2420506]I agree that the Chinese beauties are on the far end of the bell curve distribution. I am surprised that you find average Chines girls to be beautiful.

There are plenty of Thai girls that are of Chinese ancestry in Bangkok. I have rarely picked them in Soapies (if obviously Chinese), because they tend to be more voluptuous (overweight), or if skinny, very straight bodied non curvy, and not many of the obvious Chinese faces are pretty to me. Yet Thai men seem to go for them more than the normal Thai looks. I never could tell if Chinese girls had bigger tits really or just stuffed / padded bras.

Thailand may have less regional variation in looks than China, but not sure. Some southern Thais don't look Thai at all. I hardly count them all as Thais. Other Southern Thailand girls can look quite similar to Issan girls. Just depends if they have any Malay ancestry or not. Northern Thai beauties is a bit of a myth to me. Some nice ones. Many can have broad faces.

Since I like slim girls, I don't find that many have big tits, but manage a natural Cee-Cup sometimes without going to fat girls. I like exotic girls and black girls too (although too few black girls are very pretty especially in Bangkok). Miss Chile and Miss S Africa attached, and a pic of 3 pretty Japanese girls (I like them all), Indonesian and a Kenyan (quite similar look to my favourite Lao girl but darker). So I can do a wide variety of nationalities but just the average China girl standard is a bit low. I suppose we could say the same for Viets, Thai, Philipinas, Indonesian, Indian, etc. I suppose one can see from the attached pics that my style tends to be far from a typical Chinese look, liking the more exotic and don't need white skin.

Are Japanese girls better than Chinese on average? Which country in Asia has the best looking girls on average? Hard to say, and very dependent on personal taste, especially as I like slim faces. Java, Thai, and Philipina might be my preference based on past experiences with Indian girls last.

Strangely Thailand wins all the beauty competitions for Ladyboys, but not so much for the real girls. Meanwhile the girls like to have surgeries to try to look like LBs, ha ha.[/QUOTE]The three nude gals in the photo are just about perfect. I'd take any one of them over a Thai gal any day. Now that folks is what I would pay good money for. Not a run of the mill Isaan gal.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2421823]The three nude gals in the photo are just about perfect. I'd take any one of them over a Thai gal any day. Now that folks is what I would pay good money for. Not a run of the mill Isaan gal.[/QUOTE]We are agreed for a change. Those 3 Japanese are well above average even for Japanese girls, and I agree that "run of mill" Isaan girls aren't great. My GF has no competition at all for adult girls in the country village, and I rarely see pretty ones on flights from Bangkok to Isaan destinations. The gogo bars actually have some well above average Issan girls in amongst all the average ones.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2421842] Those 3 Japanese are well above average even for Japanese girls, [/QUOTE]I wouldn't say they are well above average. Lived in the Dotonbori area in Osaka and Seoul for 3 months this year and the Dotonbori girls are better than Thai girls and the girls in that photo. I never say this about Asians but there were some solid 9's there for sure. I suspect you haven't been to Japan for a while.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2420905]Has anyone fucked this girl? Her name is Mea (pronounced May). Works at Hillary 4 on Soi 4. I only had a drink with her. She seemed to get a lot of drinks. Probably gets barfined every day.[/QUOTE]I didn't fuck her. But I met her in Hillary 4 last year. She said barfine was 800 Baht. She wanted 5000 baht for longtime. So I left.

Late report. My first time in Thermae Cafe. Time stamp is October 2019. It's raining outside. First day in Bangkok. Went to Thermae Cafe at 9 pm. It's almost empty maybe because of the rain outside.

Girl 1. Anyway, I approach the first girl and say Hi to her. She must only like Asians because she says nothing and gives me a dirty look that says "Who the hell are you to approach me?" I ask her how much short time. She answers reluctantly 3000 baht. I ask her how much longtime. I'm expecting her to say around 5000 Baht. But she says 7000 baht. WTF. I ditch her and move onto the next one. The girl speaks good English.

Girl 2. I say Hi to her. I get a dirty look from her also. From this point on, everything is a blur. I'm also feeling a little dizzy from standing the whole time on the train from BKK airport to the hotel. I do not remember how much she said for short time. She's not smiling the whole time. I watched over two dozen Thermae videos on youtube before and after visiting Bangkok. I actually found this girl 2 in one of the videos. (See picture below) I'm not feeling the love so I decide to ditch her also.

Girl 3. I approach her because this one is smiling at me, to my surprise. She looks older than the rest. But she says she is 26 years old. She's dressed like an office lady. Probably came to Thermae after work. I don't remember exactly but I think she said 2500 baht short time. She is very polite and looks like a person who would never get angry. For some reason, I ditch her also. I think it was her outfit. Long office pants. Not sexy at all. Mistake number 1. I went back to Thermae several times to find her. But I would never see her again. She speaks good English.

Girl 4. This girl is also smiling. But I think it was fake. Very pretty but it's the make up. Her English is terrible. She only understands how much. 2500 baht short time. I ask her what is your name. She says Puddad. Liar. (Her real name turned out to be Sukanya) I ask her blow job OK? She says yes. Liar. She is 21. I ask her you have Thai ID card? I get a blank stare. I should have chosen girl 3. But I choose this girl because she is tall and slim. Looks like an innocent college girl next door. Big mistake. Not to self: Next time choose a girl who looks a little nasty. We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. (See 2 pictures below).

To be continued.

Part 2.

We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. On the way to the hotel, we get some sandwiches and soft drinks from 7-11. The sandwiches taste like crap. After eating in the room, she says you give me money. I tell her "Take your panty off and go take a shower. I give you money after. " I think she understood.

We are on the bed about to start. I tell her blowjob. She says condom. Covered blowjob wasn't what I was looking for. But it doesn't look like a BBBJ is going to happen. I probably should have kicked her out right then. Anyway, I put the condom on. She reluctantly sucks on it for literally 10 seconds and then stops, acting like I tried to stick a giant baseball bat down her throat. Fucking liar. As I'm pounding away missionary style, I try to kiss her. She freaks out. So I gently place my left hand below her hips and stick my index finger up her ass. It does not enter very far since she is very tight down there. She freaks out even more. At least it was not a giant baseball bat.

After about 10 minutes, I don't see it happening. I just want her to leave so I stop. I think about just giving her 2000 baht for lying about the blowjob. But I give her the 2500 baht.

It turns out she really is a college student. I can tell she hates going to Thermae. She needs to decide what she wants to be. If you want to be a hooker, then act like one. If you want to be a college student, then get the hell out of Thermae. It sure as hell looks like Mr. Syzygies is right about Thermae Cafe.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422035]Part 2.

We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. On the way to the hotel, we get some sandwiches and soft drinks from 7-11. The sandwiches taste like crap. After eating in the room, she says you give me money. I tell her "Take your panty off and go take a shower. I give you money after. " I think she understood.

We are on the bed about to start. I tell her blowjob. She says condom. Covered blowjob wasn't what I was looking for. But it doesn't look like a BBBJ is going to happen. I probably should have kicked her out right then. Anyway, I put the condom on. She reluctantly sucks on it for literally 10 seconds and then stops, acting like I tried to stick a giant baseball bat down her throat. Fucking liar. As I'm pounding away missionary style, I try to kiss her. She freaks out. So I gently place my left hand below her hips and stick my index finger up her ass. It does not enter very far since she is very tight down there. She freaks out even more. At least it was not a giant baseball bat.

After about 10 minutes, I don't see it happening. I just want her to leave so I stop. I think about just giving her 2000 baht for lying about the blowjob. But I give her the 2500 baht.

It turns out she really is a college student. I can tell she hates going to Thermae. She needs to decide what she wants to be. If you want to be a hooker, then act like one. If you want to be a college student, then get the hell out of Thermae. It sure as hell looks like Mr. Syzygies is right about Thermae Cafe.[/QUOTE]There's a lot of grey area between "disgusted desperate newbie"and "hardcore professional hooker". Perhaps your "date" was too close to being the former. One looks for somewhere in the middle.

Btw. not to pick a fight, but who the hell are you to tell anyone to "get the hell out of Thermae"or anywhere for that matter? She has more right to be there than you and you should know by going into Thermae that although most girls are there every night or every other night.. there is a small smattering of true ""end of month" or sometime freelancers who stop by when they have a temporary need. That's the chance you take and that's the opportunity other mongers seek. If you want something more guaranteed, learn to distinguish between the women you meet/talk to (it's not that hard if you make a minimal effort)

I had the fortune of meeting a true non Thermae regular at Thermae last year. Wonderful girl.

btw here's another tip. Don't be shy about specific requests that are important to you (for e.g. BBBJ) Ask the girl. They won't be offended. and IF they are/ or appear to be - that's a good signal you've chosen one you need to run away from.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422035]Part 2.

We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. On the way to the hotel, we get some sandwiches and soft drinks from 7-11. The sandwiches taste like crap. After eating in the room, she says you give me money. I tell her "Take your panty off and go take a shower. I give you money after. " I think she understood.

We are on the bed about to start. I tell her blowjob. She says condom. Covered blowjob wasn't what I was looking for. But it doesn't look like a BBBJ is going to happen. I probably should have kicked her out right then. Anyway, I put the condom on. She reluctantly sucks on it for literally 10 seconds and then stops, acting like I tried to stick a giant baseball bat down her throat. Fucking liar. As I'm pounding away missionary style, I try to kiss her. She freaks out. So I gently place my left hand below her hips and stick my index finger up her ass. It does not enter very far since she is very tight down there. She freaks out even more. At least it was not a giant baseball bat.

After about 10 minutes, I don't see it happening. I just want her to leave so I stop. I think about just giving her 2000 baht for lying about the blowjob. But I give her the 2500 baht.

It turns out she really is a college student. I can tell she hates going to Thermae. She needs to decide what she wants to be. If you want to be a hooker, then act like one. If you want to be a college student, then get the hell out of Thermae. It sure as hell looks like Mr. Syzygies is right about Thermae Cafe.[/QUOTE]If you do whithout a condom, you defenately are prone to Herpes. Especially deep throat. No thank you for me. Yes saying, read the internet.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2422236]If you do whithout a condom, you defenately are prone to Herpes. Especially deep throat. No thank you for me. Yes saying, read the internet.[/QUOTE]You can get herpes on areas condoms don't cover. Warts as well. This hobby has its risks. If you are not willing to take them, then you should stay monogamous.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422035]Part 2.

We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. On the way to the hotel, we get some sandwiches and soft drinks from 7-11. The sandwiches taste like crap. After eating in the room, she says you give me money. I tell her "Take your panty off and go take a shower. I give you money after. " I think she understood.

We are on the bed about to start. I tell her blowjob. She says condom. Covered blowjob wasn't what I was looking for. But it doesn't look like a BBBJ is going to happen. I probably should have kicked her out right then. Anyway, I put the condom on. She reluctantly sucks on it for literally 10 seconds and then stops, acting like I tried to stick a giant baseball bat down her throat. Fucking liar. As I'm pounding away missionary style, I try to kiss her. She freaks out. So I gently place my left hand below her hips and stick my index finger up her ass. It does not enter very far since she is very tight down there. She freaks out even more. At least it was not a giant baseball bat.

After about 10 minutes, I don't see it happening. I just want her to leave so I stop. I think about just giving her 2000 baht for lying about the blowjob. But I give her the 2500 baht.

It turns out she really is a college student. I can tell she hates going to Thermae. She needs to decide what she wants to be. If you want to be a hooker, then act like one. If you want to be a college student, then get the hell out of Thermae. It sure as hell looks like Mr. Syzygies is right about Thermae Cafe.[/QUOTE]Well, I probably would have given her much less, perhaps 500 Baht if I was feeling generous, a couple of hundred if I was not. And truth be told, I can almost guarantee you that she has pulled this stunt with a lot of other guys and gotten away with it. They know what they are doing and can size a dude up pretty quickly. But yes, most don't want to be hookers but they don't want to work a regular job either. I pretty much swore off FLs a few years ago when I had a string of experiences like yours. I would explain to the gal, in Thai, that I expected her to service me like a boyfriend or like what she would see in a "sex movie" and for the most part they looked dumbfounded.

Thermae was a party every night back in the day. The gals were almost all drinking and there would be quite a few dancing by the jukebox. They would grab your unit as you walked by and proposition you. They were quite aggressive and very forward. We western dudes like this, Asian guys are turned off by it for the most part. I would also imagine a gal who acts shy and inexperienced can be a bit of a turn on to some of the Asian guys. They also have the fantasy that the gal is "cleaner" as so many are paranoid about catching something, as we read about here on the forum ad nauseam these days. But for me, I like the gal next door; if I live next door to a brothel. I like them experienced with dirty minds and dirty mouths. That's hard to find in Thailand. Used to be common in the oiles, not so much any more. Asians, who are the main customers, just want different things. And they are the majority of the market.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2422253]You can get herpes on areas condoms don't cover. Warts as well. This hobby has its risks. If you are not willing to take them, then you should stay monogamous.[/QUOTE]Here here. Not only can you still get herpes and virtually everything else if you wear a condom (rips, tears, slipping off, etc) but you can also get anything and everything even if you are monogamous. Unless you know with 100% certainty your partner is disease free and will remain monogamous as well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2422257]Here here. Not only can you still get herpes and virtually everything else if you wear a condom (rips, tears, slipping off, etc) but you can also get anything and everything even if you are monogamous. Unless you know with 100% certainty your partner is disease free and will remain monogamous as well.[/QUOTE]You can get oral gonorrhea from kissing a ho whilst fucking her with 5 condoms on.

Because the monger yesterday had gonorrhea when she sucked him.

Now she's giving it away with kisses LOL.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2422236]If you do whithout a condom, you defenately are prone to Herpes. Especially deep throat. No thank you for me. Yes saying, read the internet.[/QUOTE]I know what you are trying to say. But if the girl has herpes in her crotch area, nothing can protect you from catching herpes. The probability of catching herpes from BBBJ is very low. That's the chance we take.

In theory, you can catch herpes from eating a hamburger with your hands. You did not wash your hands after shaking hands with a guy who just returned from the bathroom. The dude also did not wash his hands and so on. But the practical likelihood is close to zero.

Also, the internet is full of misinformation and fabricated data. I do it for a living. I don't mean fabricating data. This expert says it's 10%. Then another expert says it's 80%. Then people select the data that matches their beliefs.

[QUOTE=Catire;2422186]There's a lot of grey area between "disgusted desperate newbie"and "hardcore professional hooker". Perhaps your "date" was too close to being the former. One looks for somewhere in the middle.

Btw. not to pick a fight, but who the hell are you to tell anyone to "get the hell out of Thermae"or anywhere for that matter? She has more right to be there than you and you should know by going into Thermae that although most girls are there every night or every other night.. there is a small smattering of true ""end of month" or sometime freelancers who stop by when they have a temporary need. That's the chance you take and that's the opportunity other mongers seek. If you want something more guaranteed, learn to distinguish between the women you meet/talk to (it's not that hard if you make a minimal effort)

I had the fortune of meeting a true non Thermae regular at Thermae last year. Wonderful girl.

btw here's another tip. Don't be shy about specific requests that are important to you (for e.g. BBBJ) Ask the girl. They won't be offended. and IF they are/ or appear to be - that's a good signal you've chosen one you need to run away from.[/QUOTE]She probably was a desperate newbie. If you say to someone "Who the hell are you to" then you are picking a fight.

She does not have more right to be there than me. Perhaps equal right. At least, I'm a paying customer. The price of admission is buying a drink. She is taking advantage of the facilities free of charge.

I believe I made more than minimal effort.

One Thermae performer out of 200 girls is not a high batting percentage albeit admirable.

About requesting BBBJ before going out, I was going to address that in my subsequent reports. Am still working on them.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2421969]I didn't fuck her. But I met her in Hillary 4 last year. She said barfine was 800 Baht. She wanted 5000 baht for longtime. So I left.[/QUOTE]Your are a proven rookie, there is a learning curve to handling and dealing with these ladies. If you would have read the forum deeply, you would have learned that negotiation and personally are the key to success. These ladies can see right through you. All of the seniors here have told stories of the disappointments and lessons they have learned dealing with the ladies of the night. Read and learn.

Lesson #1, if she askes for 5000 just ignore and continue the conversation. Laugh and show her your a great guy. Tell her you are interested but be patient. Let her warm up to you. She knows she has your attention and that you are a potential income for her. Again the important part is not to rush, be patient. She knows she has you hooked it is just the price that is holding you back. She will come down, just give her time. Haggling is the oldest form of negotiation. Your in a hurry and that never works in your favor.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2422351]Your are a proven rookie, there is a learning curve to handling and dealing with these ladies. If you would have read the forum deeply, you would have learned that negotiation and personally are the key to success. These ladies can see right through you. All of the seniors here have told stories of the disappointments and lessons they have learned dealing with the ladies of the night. Read and learn.

Lesson #1, if she askes for 5000 just ignore and continue the conversation. Laugh and show her your a great guy. Tell her you are interested but be patient. Let her warm up to you. She knows she has your attention and that you are a potential income for her. Again the important part is not to rush, be patient. She knows she has you hooked it is just the price that is holding you back. She will come down, just give her time. Haggling is the oldest form of negotiation. Your in a hurry and that never works in your favor.

RL.[/QUOTE]I'm with him just leave too many other fish in the sea and you'll probably end up wasting time and money. Plus a 5 k figure maybe a polite way of saying not interested.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2422351]Your are a proven rookie, there is a learning curve to handling and dealing with these ladies. If you would have read the forum deeply, you would have learned that negotiation and personally are the key to success. These ladies can see right through you. All of the seniors here have told stories of the disappointments and lessons they have learned dealing with the ladies of the night. Read and learn.

Lesson #1, if she askes for 5000 just ignore and continue the conversation. Laugh and show her your a great guy. Tell her you are interested but be patient. Let her warm up to you. She knows she has your attention and that you are a potential income for her. Again the important part is not to rush, be patient. She knows she has you hooked it is just the price that is holding you back. She will come down, just give her time. Haggling is the oldest form of negotiation. Your in a hurry and that never works in your favor.

RL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm not 100% unfamiliar with the negotiation process. But I chose not to pursue the barfine any further after I determined her to be of low IQ. No surprise there. Most bargirls are just plain dumb. Also, she seemed arrogant and high maintenance. She wanted to go to a sky bar. So I left after finishing my drink.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2422256]Well, I probably would have given her much less, perhaps 500 Baht if I was feeling generous, a couple of hundred if I was not. And truth be told, I can almost guarantee you that she has pulled this stunt with a lot of other guys and gotten away with it. They know what they are doing and can size a dude up pretty quickly. But yes, most don't want to be hookers but they don't want to work a regular job either. I pretty much swore off FLs a few years ago when I had a string of experiences like yours. I would explain to the gal, in Thai, that I expected her to service me like a boyfriend or like what she would see in a "sex movie" and for the most part they looked dumbfounded.

Thermae was a party every night back in the day. The gals were almost all drinking and there would be quite a few dancing by the jukebox. They would grab your unit as you walked by and proposition you. They were quite aggressive and very forward. We western dudes like this, Asian guys are turned off by it for the most part. I would also imagine a gal who acts shy and inexperienced can be a bit of a turn on to some of the Asian guys. They also have the fantasy that the gal is "cleaner" as so many are paranoid about catching something, as we read about here on the forum ad nauseam these days. But for me, I like the gal next door; if I live next door to a brothel. I like them experienced with dirty minds and dirty mouths. That's hard to find in Thailand. Used to be common in the oiles, not so much any more. Asians, who are the main customers, just want different things. And they are the majority of the market.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I probably gave her too much money. Lesson learned. You are also probably right about her having successfully pulled this stunt with other guys. I went to Thermae to look for a FL because I was sick and tired of bargirls always begging for lady's drinks. But now I'm thinking the bar scene is still preferable in comparison. I've never had a bargirl refuse kissing and BBBJ. Some of them did not want to kiss at first but did not resist when I kissed them during sex. Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2422271]You can get oral gonorrhea from kissing a ho whilst fucking her with 5 condoms on.

Because the monger yesterday had gonorrhea when she sucked him.

Now she's giving it away with kisses LOL.[/QUOTE]Good try. If that were the case the entire world population would have gonorrhea.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422430]Yeah, I probably gave her too much money. Lesson learned. You are also probably right about her having successfully pulled this stunt with other guys. I went to Thermae to look for a FL because I was sick and tired of bargirls always begging for lady's drinks. But now I'm thinking the bar scene is still preferable in comparison. I've never had a bargirl refuse kissing and BBBJ. Some of them did not want to kiss at first but did not resist when I kissed them during sex. Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.[/QUOTE]I used to have none refuse as well. Seems more and more are headed in that direction. I'd imagine many of our Asian brethren are less demanding than we are.

I pretty much confine it to the oilies these days.

Was just reading on the Singapore forum that a dude pulled a Brazilian Japanese gal for 300 SGD all night. That's less than 7 k baht. So dudes are paying more in Thai gogos (BF and LT fee) for Isaan gals than you would pay for an extremely hot gal out of a hotel disco in expensive Singapore. Nuts really.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422346]She probably was a desperate newbie. If you say to someone "Who the hell are you to" then you are picking a fight.

She does not have more right to be there than me. Perhaps equal right. At least, I'm a paying customer. The price of admission is buying a drink. She is taking advantage of the facilities free of charge.

I believe I made more than minimal effort.

One Thermae performer out of 200 girls is not a high batting percentage albeit admirable.

About requesting BBBJ before going out, I was going to address that in my subsequent reports. Am still working on them.[/QUOTE]Well. not even sure about equal. . It's her country. You're a tourist. I'm not sure if Thermae mgmt would take your side if had to choose between you and her. There are many more like you, they are a revolving door.

The Thermae hos on the other hand, seem to be a steady and diminishing in diversity bunch. I've gotten lucky in there a couple of times, but 90% of the time, I walk in and walk out. Alone.

Actually one of the other posters was right. The moment she would have said condom for a BJ, I would have given her 500 baht and said thank you, please leave now. (though if there is the slightest doubt in my mind, I will ask before committing) There was one time, and this was already outside.. where the girl was talking about condom on everything, but kind of played along, got her down to a bbbj, and by the end of the encounter, no condom appeared anywhere at anytime.

[QUOTE=Catire;2422491]Well. not even sure about equal. . It's her country. You're a tourist. I'm not sure if Thermae mgmt would take your side if had to choose between you and her. There are many more like you, they are a revolving door.

The Thermae hos on the other hand, seem to be a steady and diminishing in diversity bunch. I've gotten lucky in there a couple of times, but 90% of the time, I walk in and walk out. Alone.

Actually one of the other posters was right. The moment she would have said condom for a BJ, I would have given her 500 baht and said thank you, please leave now. (though if there is the slightest doubt in my mind, I will ask before committing) There was one time, and this was already outside.. where the girl was talking about condom on everything, but kind of played along, got her down to a bbbj, and by the end of the encounter, no condom appeared anywhere at anytime.[/QUOTE]You are so illogical. At first, you defend the girl saying she has more right to be at Thermae than me. Now, you say you would have given her only 500 Baht which sounds like you are placing blame on her.

Make up your mind before you make a bigger fool out of yourself in front of everyone.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2422253]You can get herpes on areas condoms don't cover. Warts as well. This hobby has its risks. If you are not willing to take them, then you should stay monogamous.[/QUOTE]Isn't there like a medicinal spray you use over your penis after an unprotected blowjob? I know a friend had one but I forgot the name.

I don't understand what all the fuss about Thermae is about. It's a very strange place. A not very large room with some women linked up around the perimeter, and others around the bar in the middle. They are all just standing there, mostly motionless. Between them walk the men, around and around in circles trying to find somebody interesting and interested. In my case that was not possible. I found most of the women unattractive, and the few that were attractive seemed utterly disinterested in me. Maybe they are more interested in Asian customers, IDK.

And on prices I agree, Bangkok is really not a cheap destination any more. As somebody pointed out below, price-wise Bangkok doesn't have much advantage over Singapore anymore. Perhaps it is fairer, perhaps it is the future. Like the many bars where the bare fine is around 1000 baht and the girl wants around 3000 baht. That seems reasonable to me, though it certainly doesn't make for cheap mongering.

Good try. If that were the case the entire world population would have gonorrhea.

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If that were the case the entire world population would have gonorrhea.

Really? What % of the world DFK hookers with gonorrhea?

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2422625]I don't understand what all the fuss about Thermae is about. It's a very strange place. A not very large room with some women linked up around the perimeter, and others around the bar in the middle. They are all just standing there, mostly motionless. Between them walk the men, around and around in circles trying to find somebody interesting and interested. In my case that was not possible. I found most of the women unattractive, and the few that were attractive seemed utterly disinterested in me. Maybe they are more interested in Asian customers, IDK.

And on prices I agree, Bangkok is really not a cheap destination any more. As somebody pointed out below, price-wise Bangkok doesn't have much advantage over Singapore anymore. Perhaps it is fairer, perhaps it is the future. Like the many bars where the bare fine is around 1000 baht and the girl wants around 3000 baht. That seems reasonable to me, though it certainly doesn't make for cheap mongering.[/QUOTE]Agree! This place is a waste of time and money. It's only advantage is that they are all in one place. Walking down Soi 4 gives you far more to choose from. You can get LT for what thermae is charging for ST. I really think in BKK for picking up freelancers, that Soi 4 is the best option. And if you don't find something walk around have a drink and some girls are getting back. From ST.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422552]You are so illogical. At first, you defend the girl saying she has more right to be at Thermae than me. Now, you say you would have given her only 500 Baht which sounds like you are placing blame on her.

Make up your mind before you make a bigger fool out of yourself in front of everyone.[/QUOTE]I'll take that risk, thank you. I think you would fail Logic 101. Yes, she has more right to be at any locale in her own country / land than you do. (though I am not a particularly fervent nationalist).

The 500 baht is to simply get out of the situation as smoothly as possible while saving everyone involved at least some measure of face (you may want to read up on that concept in Asian cultures.) Regardless, I don't have time to play the ""blame" game. The YMMV truism is particularly true in case of so called "freelancers" as opposed to a massage joint or even a go go where the girl has a nominal "boss".

You have no "rights" as a "paying customer" in the case of a complete dud when it's a Thermae girl or a girl you meet on the street, or in a nightclub.
It's a risk one takes, which is why the thinking monger usually tries to "feel the girl out" by talking to her a little bit.. instead of walking in, pointing, clicking and leaving.
In fact, most even do this at the go-gos, where you do have some recourse with the mgmt/mamasan.

For some reason, this hasn't quite occurred to you yet, but it will. Eventually. In the meantime we'll wait. Might be a very long time if you automatically label them "lazy and stubborn". I also didn't know that those personality traits were somehow more intrinsic to Thai or SEAsian girls.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2422625]I don't understand what all the fuss about Thermae is about. It's a very strange place. A not very large room with some women linked up around the perimeter, and others around the bar in the middle. They are all just standing there, mostly motionless. Between them walk the men, around and around in circles trying to find somebody interesting and interested. In my case that was not possible. I found most of the women unattractive, and the few that were attractive seemed utterly disinterested in me. Maybe they are more interested in Asian customers, IDK.

And on prices I agree, Bangkok is really not a cheap destination any more. As somebody pointed out below, price-wise Bangkok doesn't have much advantage over Singapore anymore. Perhaps it is fairer, perhaps it is the future. Like the many bars where the bare fine is around 1000 baht and the girl wants around 3000 baht. That seems reasonable to me, though it certainly doesn't make for cheap mongering.[/QUOTE]Agreed that BKK has become relatively expensive, especially for the visitor. People who live there or very regular visitors can build a stable of girls and probably get it for less. I will guess that despite the high prices, people still like BKK because of the infrastructure, and because of the still relatively wide array of options, despite the high prices as opposed to many other places. If you're going to Thailand just to fuck, aren't you better off going to Pattaya, anyways?

I'll take a crack at the "Thermae" deal question. IMO it's because of the old reputation of the place, and the simple fact that it's one of the very few places in BKK where you can still get the so called "freelancer" and many guys simply like that (let's be honest amongst ourselves) . "illusion"of talking a girl up at the bar, and taking her home as if she weren't a regular prostitute. LOL I may be guilty of that myself. But I have found non regular Thermae girls at Thermae several times with much success ensuing back in my hotel.

But ultimately, as I've said. I usually leave alone from there 90% of the time. (I also happen to agree with you about finding many of them not particularly attractive)

And yes, the current Asian "preferred" clientele have in fact "ruined"the place for "Westerners" as their cultural preferences in terms of how they want the girls to look and perhaps even more importantly act don't match ours. C'est la vie. That's why as a farang, I never go into Thermae expecting anything. I know going in it's not going to be my "vibe", period with that completely preposterous Asian monger circular walk around with the girls straining to look "cute and demure"" for the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese.

There was a guy that talked up a Thai nightclub where people / farangs in the know could go and try their game on some willing girls. But it's not conveniently located in the Sukhumvit farang ghetto.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422430] Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.[/QUOTE]Aah, well, now in this instance, you are a paying customer and you can take your hooker designated money elsewhere. That is most certainly your right.

I think I may also agree with you on your last sentence, though interestingly enough, my experiences in Thailand have gotten dramatically better with time, even as prices rose, as Asians became the preferred customer base and all the other things that have supposedly "ruined" it for farangs.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422430]Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.[/QUOTE]BKK has better scenes than Nana bargirl scene and BKK Gogo scene. Very it out try freelancers, MP's, thaifriendly, soi 7 beer bar etc and you should find better experiences.

[QUOTE=P5000;2422554]Isn't there like a medicinal spray you use over your penis after an unprotected blowjob? I know a friend had one but I forgot the name.[/QUOTE]Isn't that a condom? I prefer to avoid.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422335]I know what you are trying to say. But if the girl has herpes in her crotch area, nothing can protect you from catching herpes. The probability of catching herpes from BBBJ is very low. That's the chance we take.

In theory, you can catch herpes from eating a hamburger with your hands. You did not wash your hands after shaking hands with a guy who just returned from the bathroom. The dude also did not wash his hands and so on. But the practical likelihood is close to zero.

Also, the internet is full of misinformation and fabricated data. I do it for a living. I don't mean fabricating data. This expert says it's 10%. Then another expert says it's 80%. Then people select the data that matches their beliefs.[/QUOTE]I doubt you see the seriousness of this. Read the corrrct internet sites. Not like what people like you write. Or Just don't protect. Tell its from the toilet seat.

[QUOTE=P5000;2422554]Isn't there like a medicinal spray you use over your penis after an unprotected blowjob? I know a friend had one but I forgot the name.[/QUOTE]You could give your dick and balls a few sprays of hydrogen peroxide, easily available in most pharmacies and drug stores, and rub it around before showering. It generally comes in an ordinary bottle but you can put some in a small plastic spray bottle for this purpose.

I keep a spray bottle of it in my shower. After sex, I wash by dick and balls with soapy water, rinse, then sometimes spray my dick and balls with the hydrogen peroxide, wash and rinse again. I have no idea if it works to protect me against anything but I haven't had any problems, infections or problems in decades, so there it is.

As an aside, I also pour a small amount of hydrogen peroxide into a cup, add an equal amount of water, swish that solution around in my mouth, spit and rinse again before brushing my teeth 3-4 times a week. This was on the recommendation of my very good dentist many years ago. He said, "If everybody did this 3-4 times per week they would put us dentists out of business." Now, this part is very important: Don't do it EVERY day. Do it two days, skip a day, two days, skip a day and so on. We don't want to kill ALL of the bacteria in our mouths every day. Some of that bacteria is helpful and good for us. But I can say this, since I have been following that regime I have not had one problem with my teeth, no cavities, no infections, no toothaches and my exams/X-rays are all clear every time. For about 20-25 years so far.

Maybe the same thing is happening with my dick and balls due to that regime.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2422807]You could give your dick and balls a few sprays of hydrogen peroxide, easily available in most pharmacies and drug stores, and rub it around before showering. It generally comes in an ordinary bottle but you can put some in a small plastic spray bottle for this purpose.

I keep a spray bottle of it in my shower. After sex, I wash by dick and balls with soapy water, rinse, then sometimes spray my dick and balls with the hydrogen peroxide, wash and rinse again. I have no idea if it works to protect me against anything but I haven't had any problems, infections or problems in decades, so there it is.

As an aside, I also pour a small amount of hydrogen peroxide into a cup, add an equal amount of water, swish that solution around in my mouth, spit and rinse again before brushing my teeth 3-4 times a week. This was on the recommendation of my very good dentist many years ago. He said, "If everybody did this 3-4 times per week they would put us dentists out of business." Now, this part is very important: Don't do it EVERY day. Do it two days, skip a day, two days, skip a day and so on. We don't want to kill ALL of the bacteria in our mouths every day. Some of that bacteria is helpful and good for us. But I can say this, since I have been following that regime I have not had one problem with my teeth, no cavities, no infections, no toothaches and my exams/X-rays are all clear every time. For about 20-25 years so far.

Maybe the same thing is happening with my dick and balls due to that regime.[/QUOTE]I use a food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide to spray in the groin area. Since it is 3% there is no need to dilute even for mouthwash. It supposedly takes care of bad bacteria, virus, keeps everything smelling good and great for the skin. People have know to spray fire into the throat to fix colds and even asthma & stuff. Unfortunately my last trip my bottle finished off before my trip was done because of excessive "activity" haha. And I did not trust any of the local brands & frankly did not put in any effort to find a good brand.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2422810]I use a food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide to spray in the groin area. Since it is 3% there is no need to dilute even for mouthwash. It supposedly takes care of bad bacteria, virus, keeps everything smelling good and great for the skin. People have know to spray fire into the throat to fix colds and even asthma & stuff. Unfortunately my last trip my bottle finished off before my trip was done because of excessive "activity" haha. And I did not trust any of the local brands & frankly did not put in any effort to find a good brand.[/QUOTE]Typo: not fire into the throat, just spray directly on the throat.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2422430]........... Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.[/QUOTE]Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2422834]Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.[/QUOTE]Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part I agree with you. Different flavors of Asians tend to be different. I've found Indo gals to be about the best and Cambodians to be among the worst. But for the most part the gals I was with in the US and Latin America before I moved to Asia were far better, nastier, and a lot more fun. I think men in the West are just more demanding than Asian dudes. Thailand's appeal was the gals were plentiful and cheap. Can't beat a ST for 12.50 to 25 USD, which is what it was when I moved over. And for the most part, that is what many are still worth in my mind because the service overall has not improved. As I mentioned, I have had a few exceptions, most in oilies 5-10 years ago and some freelancers and the odd GoGo gal 15 plus years ago. And that was probably due to the fact back then all wanted a boyfriend and were giving a sales pitch with their ST. The current crop are making way to much money in the scene to want a BF. So it's wham bam, the less service they can get away with the better. When they encounter an old hand like myself; they want nothing to do with me as they know I'm going to want to put them through their paces.

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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2422849]Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part I agree with you. Different flavors of Asians tend to be different. I've found Indo gals to be about the best and Cambodians to be among the worst. But for the most part the gals I was with in the US and Latin America before I moved to Asia were far better, nastier, and a lot more fun. I think men in the West are just more demanding than Asian dudes. Thailand's appeal was the gals were plentiful and cheap. Can't beat a ST for 12.50 to 25 USD, which is what it was when I moved over. And for the most part, that is what many are still worth in my mind because the service overall has not improved. As I mentioned, I have had a few exceptions, most in oilies 5-10 years ago and some freelancers and the odd GoGo gal 15 plus years ago. And that was probably due to the fact back then all wanted a boyfriend and were giving a sales pitch with their ST. The current crop are making way to much money in the scene to want a BF. So it's wham bam, the less service they can get away with the better. When they encounter an old hand like myself; they want nothing to do with me as they know I'm going to want to put them through their paces.[/QUOTE]

My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.

Can anyone recommend providers who will do ass to mouth in BKK? I tried to RTFF but searching ATM doesn't return any results, and searching ass to mouth seems to return the wrong results.

The venue doesn't really matter to me (I'll do smooci, or an agency, or go to a massage parlor).

It's just sort of a bucket list thing for me. Appreciated.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2423006]My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.[/QUOTE]Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2423006]My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.[/QUOTE]And so you are pushing up the cost more and more. Double her pay? No wonder attitudes are so poor. Sorry, when a Isaan GoGo girl is wanting 3 k for ST, good service should come along with that. That is already a more than "fair reward. " That is is what you are agreeing to pay her for in the first place. Do you tip the person that cleans your aircon or the people that deliver your new washing machine in order to get them to do their job properly? No, it is part of the service. What I would suggest is, if it's a great session then I'll give you the 3 k you want, if it is not then I'll pay less. Also please keep in mind, the culture around pay and attitudes about money are different here. There is face involved. If you pay an egregious amount, then all of the sudden that is her "worth" and she will not be happy with anything less as that is a loss of face for her, even if just in her own mind. Don't fool yourself, these girls for the most part make quite a bit more than the average Thai. Salaries are about 30 k per month without drinks and not including what they make ST and LT. That being said, if she chooses to stay LT on her own volition and services you more that night and in the morning, then a little more might be in order.

I'm addition, check sites like finfinfan. That is where the local Thai men find their gals. The girls are much better looking than what you see in GoGos and the average per hour for their company (including room) is 1600 - 2000 Baht.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2423048]Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?[/QUOTE]Exactly my point. Boy, what a place we have come to. Next thing you know I'm going to have to tip the clerk at 7 for ringing up my cookies.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2422834]Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.[/QUOTE]You have to allow for Asian girls not being used to taking a good pounding nor a big cock. However there do exist Thai girls who like big, deep, and heavy fucking. Some Asian girls in the modern day are even taking black guys as BFs (big and strong).

Many years ago I was totally sick of hookers in my own Country, and so moved to Asian girls since they had a much better attitude, and gave better service by miles, and on average better looking. However that was late 80's, early 90's. Back then most Thai girls were fun in the room. Times have changed. European hookers can give really good service if you find the right ones. I have to agree though that latin and black hookers have always been better for average service levels than Thais. Not that many dud Latinas, in my experience, despite never having been to south America.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2423055]What I would suggest is, if it's a great session then I'll give you the 3 k you want, if it is not then I'll pay less. Also please keep in mind, the culture around pay and attitudes about money are different here. [/QUOTE]In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".

For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy.

I have used this approach many times but solely in FL pick up bars in situations described above. I have never used this approach on Go Go girls. Honestly, I don't think it is needed. Go Go girls almost never quote above their price range and if one did I would take it as a huge Tell and pass on the girl unless she immediately lowered her offer. With Go Go girls I have my MO and that includes buying them a drink or two, getting friendly in the bar, and sizing them up. If a girl passes the audition it usually means we are going to have a good time in the loom and I don't need to provide her with any more incentive to perform other than the agreed upon fee and me! Yeah, 555, Me, because I am just what an honest, good looking, little Go Go girl is looking for ie a friendly, not too unsightly, courteous, ha ha ha, Farang with a decent size wallet, reasonable sexual abilities, and a lot of time on his hands in BKK or wherever we just met. And I do give reasonable tips to girls if I like them and they were nice and gave me what I wanted, and that is a good time. I know I don't have to, but I usually do anyway if the service was good. My point here is that the most rewarding thing I can do for a NEW Go Go girl I have not been with before or any new working girl, for that matter, is to see her again. Even now, at this late date, little Thai Go Go girls still appreciate friendly, steady customers and potential repeat customers do get benefits. Part of the initial conversation in the audition is always the part where the girls ask, "how long you stay in BKK (or wherever)." and when I tell them I am here for 2 months or 6 weeks or whatever time I have (I NEVER LIE), I usually see a discreet smile light up their charming faces. That is one of the reasons I think ex-pats have an amazing advantage over guys like me and can get better deals with the same girls. But as i have said before, everyone's mileage may vary.

I am not comfortable with offering more money if the girl "does a great job" or "makes me happy." I realize this works very well for many punters and good for them. But I have run up against too many sweet young things whose idea of "great" and "happy" are miles away from what I'm talking about. Especially if they only have their experiences with other, possibly much easier to please, punters from which to judge. Inevitably, there is a 99% chance what appears to work and work very well for most punters will NOT work for me. So I need to be a lot more specific than that. It isn't the easier or more comfortable way to go for sure. Far from it. But, like many things in life, it gets easier and the results more frequent the more you do it.

This is what I did last night in the one and only Nana Plaza go-go bar I went into around 10PM, Mandarin Bar.

I walked in, looked around and immediately spied a sweet young thing that did it for me for her face and body head to toe at first glance. I sat in the booth right under where she was dancing. Eye contact and smiles. Another girl comes over and plops herself next to me. "Buy me a drink?" No, honey, I just sat down and want to relax a few minutes. Ok, she gets up and leaves, pouting. Mamasan comes over and says Hi, I squeeze her hand and say "Sawadee khrup" (Hello).

I scan the room but my attention goes back to the one dancing on the table in front of me. More eye contact and smiles. She gestures that she is cold because she is dancing in front of the air-conditioner. I gesture for her to come down for a drink. She is happy. Small chit chat about our names, where you from, blah, blah, blah.

When her Ladydrink arrives the mamasan comes over again and hits me up for a drink. I smile and say no, maybe later and gesture to the girl cuddling next to me. Did I break a rule here? I couldn't care less. She smiles, understands and tells the girl to "take care of him."

As she finishes her Ladydrink I ask my girl how much for barfine. She calls over the mamasan who shows me a card that says "1,200 baht barfine, ST 3,000 baht" etc. I say thank you I will talk to my girl about it.

"You like to kiss?" (similar to Natty's key question, as I recall!), pointing to my lips and her lips.

Yes.

We give it a try right there in the bar and she opens her mouth slightly for our tongues to touch.

"Do you sa-moke (smoke, blowjob) for me?"

What?

"Sa-moke. Not cigarettes. A blowjob. Sa-moke me (pointing to my dick)?"

Oh. Yes.

"How will you finish it for me?"

(confused look, understandably and not unexpectedly).

"Will you make me cum inside your mouth (pointing inside my mouth), 2,000?"

Yes.

She smiled when she said it as though she'd never heard of a girl finishing a blowjob any other way. But that was just my backup plan question before the next, far more important question. Her English and my Thai were too shaky to take a chance on this one. So I typed it out on Google Translate and showed it to her:

"We boom boom no condom, 2,500 baht".

Yes, ok. You want to pay bar now?

"Yep."

You want me to go change now (gesturing with both hands about changing into street clothes).

"Yes, honey." And there was no discussion about me prepaying in the bar. I only prepaid the barfine in the bar. I paid her the 2,500 after we were finished in my room.

All went very well in the room, no unpleasant surprises, no tricks. This method works about 60-70% of the time for me in Bangkok go-go bars and it way predates the coronavirus hysteria if that is in anyone's mind. Yeah, maybe I could have kept it at 2,000 baht. But doing that has triggered more back and forth in the past that I am too weary of after all these years. I like the element of surprise and disarming them by offering them MORE (just 500 baht) than they thought they had in their hand just a minute ago and that seems to diminish or even eliminate any argument regarding what I am now asking them to do for me instead of a mere blowjob with a real blowjob finish (BBFS+CIP). And if there IS any further balking about it in the room, at least I have a BBBJ+CIM agreement in the bank for less money. Not 100% guaranteed. Nothing is in this hobby. But pretty close.

She really was a lovely sweetheart. I will repeat. If I have time while cruising the scene for other fresh 19-20 year old cuties.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2423048]Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?[/QUOTE]Service is not black or white I. E. Good or bad. Nor is it some mystical experience but it is nuanced with a myriad of sensitivities influenced by a multitude of variables. So yes when you pay you expect good service but your idea of good service may be personal and different from others. Recent posts have bemoaned the inability of Asian girls to take a good pounding whatever that means, others feel it's a dud unless the girl behaves like a girlfriend again whatever that means while still others give the session low marks unless it BB sex. For me it's important to have a chat beforehand call it foreplay if you will to know what her service profile is and if there is some semblance of that enigmatic chemistry going on. Back to the issue on hand, why give an incentive by way of an extra bonus? Simply put, most likely she will try harder.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2423122] "Will you make me cum inside your mouth (pointing inside my mouth), 2,000?"
[/QUOTE]Somewhat confused ET as to exactly how much you paid and did you get bb cip?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2423086]In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".

For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy..[/QUOTE]So after doing all that, you could have easily said that you overpay. 5 k baht. Well now we know who is driving up prices. New folks reading his post, never pay more than 1500ST and 3000 LT. 5 k, you got to be kidding me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2423122]When her Ladydrink arrives the mamasan comes over again and hits me up for a drink. I smile and say no, maybe later and gesture to the girl cuddling next to me. Did I break a rule here? I couldn't care less. She smiles, understands and tells the girl to "take care of him."[/QUOTE]This is getting so common and it's annoying. Why would I buy mamasan a drink? Like you I've never shown any interest in buying a drink for mamasan, but still annoying. Bar is already making good money with overpriced drinks, lady drinks, hefty bar-fines and they still want to be greedy. It will only push away the expats and regulars.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2423122]
"We boom boom no condom, 2,500 baht".

Yes, ok. [/QUOTE]Wow this was too simple, and little scary. Is it this common for girls of gogo to do unprotected sex?

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2423148]This is getting so common and it's annoying. Why would I buy mamasan a drink? Like you I've never shown any interest in buying a drink for mamasan, but still annoying. Bar is already making good money with overpriced drinks, lady drinks, hefty bar-fines and they still want to be greedy. It will only push away the expats and regulars.[/QUOTE]My objection to it in this case was I had not yet found out if the girl she was encouraging to "take care of him" either by routine, for laughs or as a sincere message to the girl was a scammer or not. Why would I reward a mamasan for letting me sit there with a known scammer or trouble girl? Oh, yeah, that has happened to me before. Therefore, I might very well hand that same mamasan a tip or buy her a drink the next time I go in that bar and take that same girl to confirm to her and to any other girls witnessing it that whatever it was my girl agreed to in the bar and did for me in the room was very good for me, for her and for the mamasan.

[QUOTE]Wow this was too simple, and little scary. Is it this common for girls of gogo to do unprotected sex?[/QUOTE]I can only say it happens about 60-70% of the time FOR ME in Bangkok go-go bars if I use this approach or some verbal variation of it. It works much less so FOR ME in places like massage shops, Beer Garden Soi 7 and virtually anywhere in Pattaya. But no other approach works particularly well for me in those places either. LOL. Not to mention I look around in those places and wonder why I would even bother with girls generally so much less attractive than the girls I can get in Bangkok go-go bars anyway.

Recently completed my trip, spent 5 days in BKK before flying out.

Day 1:

Arrived late, checked into Pullman Grande. Fired up Wechat Badoo and Tinder for some FLs and semi pros for tomorrow. Set up a LT with a girl I met on Wechat from past trips, nice smart girl with an amazing body, went out to dinner before a full night of fucking, total GFE, 10 k damage. Really worth it IMO to take the time and build some rapport with these girls, especially if you find someone you like.

Day 2:

Woke up for 2 more rounds before saying goodbye to the girl from last night. Got breakfast and checked out past field reports. Decided to check out Mitu (I had confused Doki Doki and Mitu earlier in the trip, I had been to Mitu on a previous trip before). Arrived a bit early in the afternoon and chose Haduki for 90 min. Really small girl with brown skin, A cups, but a nice and toned body and tight pussy. Standard nuru procedure with first round on the mattress and second on the bed. Got a nice massage in between. 5 k damage. More expensive than Doki Doki but a more worthwhile experience.

Headed back to hotel, relaxed a bit and hit up Smooci. Booked Pearry for 2 hours. She arrived late but made up for it with an excellent session. Small spinner with great white skin, nice bolt ONS and a cute ass. Limited English and a bit shy but warmed up after things got started. BBBJ, LFK, very tight and took a pounding without complaint, cuddled for a bit before going for a second round. Gave her a tip for a total damage of 4 k.

Got dinner and checked out Cowboy around 10 pm. Avoided the rip off joints as recommended by some of the seniors and sat in Bacarra for a bit, Great talent but I was much too tired as I had cum 6 times on the day, decided to note down a few numbers before heading back to the hotel early.

Day 3:

Woke up, got breakfast (which was mediocre at best), and contacted Bangkok Golden for a session with Bell later in the day. Walked over to Daisy Dream at around 2 pm and was presented with a line up of 10 girls. Chose a cute short haired girl in a red dress and be cups for 90 minutes, but did not remember her name as the session was pretty forgettable. She gave a great massage but had a bit of baby fat and was pretty loose. The room was nice with a fairly big jacuzzi, but that left limited room for the air mattress. CBJ, with first round on the mattress and second round on the bed. Cleaned up in the Jacuzzi and then the shower. 4.5 k damage. The talent was OK so it's likely you'll get a better service with a different girl.

Went back to the hotel and cleaned up. Bell arrived on time. Great body, skin, see cups and a cute ass. Her English is pretty good and can hold a conversation well, but does not do kissing. She gave a great BBBJ before moving onto multiple positions, popped in missionary and cuddled for a bit before the second round. I struggled to pop but she didn't give up and finished me with her mouth. A very good session but a bit pricey at 6 k for 2 hours, although very convenient.

Was going to hit up Bacarra again for some nighttime fun but found a hottie named Poppy on Tinder who was down to meet. She's from BKK but looked more Korean. Tall for an Asian with a great body, fake the cups and a bubble butt, looked like a kpop model. Told me she just started in this line of work and it shows, but took directions well and was very responsive. Went several rounds before both of us were spent after 4 hours. I sent her on her way with 6 k and she promised to see me again before I left. Cancelled by Bacarra plans as I was again exhausted.

Day 4:

Woke up very late, missed breakfast. Felt a bit sore from the night before so I went and got a legit massage from across the street at Health Land Asoke, which I would very much recommend. Partook in some normal tourist activities in the afternoon before returning to the hotel. Booked Nana from Smooci for another excellent 2 hour session. The site has her English as basic but her English is closer to conversational level. Very smart and outgoing. She doesn't have as great of a body as the other girls I've seen but is very enthusiastic. Excellent BBBJ with multiple positions before popping in doggy, cuddled and exchanged life stories before going for a second round and popping in mish. Total damage of 4 k again including tip. She'd be great to book for LT and I would highly recommend her for those of you looking for more than just a quick fuck.

Had dinner and checked out Bacarra. Place was packed as it was the day before the Magha Puja, and I was told the place would close down at midnight. Saw a thicker girl named Moonam which I really liked. She had a body shape closer to a Latina with a lot of tattoos. Bought her a drink and we hit it off very well. Took her out for ST and had a very hot fuck back in the hotel, BBBJ, DFK, popped in mish but went for a second round after she saw I was still hard after cleaning up. Got her Line and will plan on seeing her again on my next trip if she's still around.

Day 5:

Since I was told most places were going to be closed today, I hit up Poppy and she took me to see a few of the temples through out the day, felt like a real date. Took her shopping in T21 before heading back to the hotel at around 5 pm. Had a flight to catch early next morning at 6 so we spent the rest of the night in the room fucking. Total damage including shopping and room service came out to around 18 k. Pricey but a very worthwhile experience imo, considering the usual prices I pay in the US, and the reports on how expensive BKK has gotten.

Overall spent 7 days in BKK and 3 days in Pattaya on this trip. Tried a bit of everything but had the best time with FLs from different apps. I'd rank Smooci and escort agencies second, gogo girls third, and massage places 4th. I thought that my main go to this trip would be gogos but had more success building rapport with the girls I found in gogos and taking them out later. The massage places I went to were all fairly underwhelming with the exception of Mitu, which was also the most expensive option.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2423086]In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".

For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy.

I have used this approach many times but solely in FL pick up bars in situations described above. I have never used this approach on Go Go girls. Honestly, I don't think it is needed. Go Go girls almost never quote above their price range and if one did I would take it as a huge Tell and pass on the girl unless she immediately lowered her offer. With Go Go girls I have my MO and that includes buying them a drink or two, getting friendly in the bar, and sizing them up. If a girl passes the audition it usually means we are going to have a good time in the loom and I don't need to provide her with any more incentive to perform other than the agreed upon fee and me! Yeah, 555, Me, because I am just what an honest, good looking, little Go Go girl is looking for ie a friendly, not too unsightly, courteous, ha ha ha, Farang with a decent size wallet, reasonable sexual abilities, and a lot of time on his hands in BKK or wherever we just met. And I do give reasonable tips to girls if I like them and they were nice and gave me what I wanted, and that is a good time. I know I don't have to, but I usually do anyway if the service was good. My point here is that the most rewarding thing I can do for a NEW Go Go girl I have not been with before or any new working girl, for that matter, is to see her again. Even now, at this late date, little Thai Go Go girls still appreciate friendly, steady customers and potential repeat customers do get benefits. Part of the initial conversation in the audition is always the part where the girls ask, "how long you stay in BKK (or wherever)." and when I tell them I am here for 2 months or 6 weeks or whatever time I have (I NEVER LIE), I usually see a discreet smile light up their charming faces. That is one of the reasons I think ex-pats have an amazing advantage over guys like me and can get better deals with the same girls. But as i have said before, everyone's mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]Good strategy. If she performs she gets her initial asking price and if she doesn't, she doesn't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2423154]My objection to it in this case was I had not yet found out if the girl she was encouraging to "take care of him" either by routine, for laughs or as a sincere message to the girl was a scammer or not. Why would I reward a mamasan for letting me sit there with a known scammer or trouble girl? Oh, yeah, that has happened to me before. Therefore, I might very well hand that same mamasan a tip or buy her a drink the next time I go in that bar and take that same girl to confirm to her and to any other girls witnessing it that whatever it was my girl agreed to in the bar and did for me in the room was very good for me, for her and for the mamasan.[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree if mamasan found me a great girl, I would be happy to give her tip or buy her drink next time. Usually I find a girl in gogo pretty quickly, usually in 3-4 minutes of me sitting there, so maybe no mamasan got the chance to recommend any girl to me.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2423255]Yeah I agree if mamasan found me a great girl, I would be happy to give her tip or buy her drink next time. Usually I find a girl in gogo pretty quickly, usually in 3-4 minutes of me sitting there, so maybe no mamasan got the chance to recommend any girl to me.[/QUOTE]I don't remember a time when a mamasan ever recommended a girl to me. At least not one I thought was interesting or good looking enough to actually barfine and give a try. Just hard cases who probably need a customer, any customer, very badly. Oh, I have had mamasans walk over to me in a bar with a good looking girl, both smiling, and ask if the girl can sit with me. Maybe that was a recommendation and I did not see it that way. I only saw it as, "This girl has no customer. Why don't you buy her a drink?"

In this case, the mamasan only said to the girl that I had already called down and was sitting next to me after ordering a Ladydrink, "Take care of him." But I suspect she says that to every girl in front of every customer all the time. Besides, I don't even think the girl spoke English well enough to fully understand what the mamasan said. The mamasan said it in English for me to hear and understand, not the girl.

No mamasan has ever asked me what I want from a girl. I would honestly tell her if one ever asked me. LOL. But since none has ever been curious or interested enough to even ask me if there is anything special or different that I require that might convince me to part with upwards of 3000-4000 baht at this time on this night with any girl in their bar, my assumption is the mamasan thinks I am only interested in paying for basic, standard fare of "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed." I have no sense that a mamasan knows what worked so well for me behind closed doors with a previous girl in her bar to now be selecting other girls for me on that basis. So there is zero advantage to me in taking an otherwise unseen girl a mamasan brings over to me at random.

I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.

However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.

My question for you Tinder aficionados is this: do I need to buy a second phone to set up a Tinder account when I return to BKK next? Or is there some type of App that I can use so Tinder thinks I have a new phone number when I sign up again? If there is an App, can someone direct me to the website so I can purchase it?

Khob Khun Krup.

Forest.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2423271]I don't remember a time when a mamasan ever recommended a girl to me. At least not one I thought was interesting or good looking enough to actually barfine and give a try. Just hard cases who probably need a customer, any customer, very badly. Oh, I have had mamasans walk over to me in a bar with a good looking girl, both smiling, and ask if the girl can sit with me. Maybe that was a recommendation and I did not see it that way. I only saw it as, "This girl has no customer. Why don't you buy her a drink?"

In this case, the mamasan only said to the girl that I had already called down and was sitting next to me after ordering a Ladydrink, "Take care of him." But I suspect she says that to every girl in front of every customer all the time. Besides, I don't even think the girl spoke English well enough to fully understand what the mamasan said. The mamasan said it in English for me to hear and understand, not the girl.

No mamasan has ever asked me what I want from a girl. I would honestly tell her if one ever asked me. LOL. But since none has ever been curious or interested enough to even ask me if there is anything special or different that I require that might convince me to part with upwards of 3000-4000 baht at this time on this night with any girl in their bar, my assumption is the mamasan thinks I am only interested in paying for basic, standard fare of "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed." I have no sense that a mamasan knows what worked so well for me behind closed doors with a previous girl in her bar to now be selecting other girls for me on that basis. So there is zero advantage to me in taking an otherwise unseen girl a mamasan brings over to me at random.[/QUOTE]I agree that mamasans in Go go bars have quite limited use. Obviously to translate if there is a language barrier. Speaking Thai, I don't have a need. Mamasan is largely a nuisance. If you buy her a drink she will keep pestering you from then on.

Can ask mamasan if your particular favourite girl has been working lately or in attendance. I never take the mamasans recommendation, since they have not fucked the girl. The reverse is different though. There have been gogos where I am very well known to certain reliable staff, who have been tipped for good information. For example if I asked serving staff girl Yao at Suzie Wong (in the past), what she thought about a particular girl, if she warned me off the girl (indicating not likely good for me), I would take notice. Bar girls can be very nice or can be duds or problematic. The bar staff are likely to know which girls usually leave good customers unhappy, and which girls can really be fun.

The only time a mamasan is of any use to me is when she kicks guys out of the seat I want because she knows I will spend more than the guys currently occupying the seat. So if you get booted from a prime gogo bar seat in Pattaya just scream out "WTF BB".

[QUOTE=Forest;2423385]I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.

However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.

My question for you Tinder aficionados is this: do I need to buy a second phone to set up a Tinder account when I return to BKK next? Or is there some type of App that I can use so Tinder thinks I have a new phone number when I sign up again? If there is an App, can someone direct me to the website so I can purchase it?

Khob Khun Krup.

Forest.[/QUOTE]You can sign up with tinder with an email or Facebook. So just create a fake account or a mongering email. Sign up and then just delete it after. Tinder is owned by the match group and if they ban your email or Facebook you can't use it again. They may also flag your name, so use a fake name next time you sign up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2423271] I only saw it as, "This girl has no customer. Why don't you buy her a drink?"
[/QUOTE]That is spot on, the usual motivation, mamasan is not there for the customer (that much), unless you are very regular and have made it worth her while.

[QUOTE=Forest;2423385]I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.

However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.

My question for you Tinder aficionados is this: do I need to buy a second phone to set up a Tinder account when I return to BKK next? Or is there some type of App that I can use so Tinder thinks I have a new phone number when I sign up again? If there is an App, can someone direct me to the website so I can purchase it?

Khob Khun Krup.

Forest.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up about that issue with Tinder. But I am sure I have discussed sex acts for money fairly blatantly a few times on Tinder before moving the discussion to Line without being banned. Have you tried to just restart a new subscription package through your current phone?

I remember being unable to open an account on one of the other regular dating site apps, ThaiCupid, and kept getting a message that they were "reviewing" my application due to something they were concerned about. I never found out what that concern was all about. But when I applied for an annual auto-renew package, something I wanted to do anyway, all was forgiven and they activated my account without a problem. Maybe starting a Tinder Gold subscription will loosen their grip on those rules of behavior or whatever.

[QUOTE=Forest;2423385]I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.

However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.

Forest.[/QUOTE]I been in Angeles City few months ago with a friend, he used Tinder alot and many pinay wanted to move the conversation to whatsapp ASAP for talking about ST-LT money and service, they didn't want to talk about it on tinder.

I would like to summarise my recent experience mongering in Bangkok during the virus outbreak. I am of East Asian descent, but was born and raised in a North American country. For privacy reasons I will not disclose my specific ethnicity. But when I come to Thailand, girls tend to guess I am Korean, Chinese, Hong Konger, or Singaporean. Given I often pass for Chinese, I was unsure what sort of treatment I would get.

I stayed for 2 weeks during late Jan / early Feb and had girls from a variety of sources, including gogos (Nana), escorts (BGE and Smooci), BJ salons, nurus, and freelancers from various apps. I have written several reports in their respective sections on the Thailand forum.

To my relief, girls weren't really fazed by me at all. My fluent English and Western personality / mannerisms certainly helped, and I was never turned down by providers. I got a lot of jokes from the girls, who would ask me if I'm from Wuhan and laugh, but I was prepared for this. The mamasans in the gogos would point at me and scream "Wuhan!" jokingly which was kind of annoying, but it was all in good fun. For the escorts who came to my room, the first thing I did was show them my passport and say "I'm not from China, don't worry" to which they responded with laughter. I would also make them wash their hands thoroughly first thing as well as gargle with Listerine, which made them realize I am serious about cleanliness. But overall, I was never treated with suspicion or paranoia, nor was refused service during my time here. I did however receive some judgey stares from a white couple at a a restaurant when I sat down next to them.

I did see several venues restrict customers from China though:

- The Pimp: if you have traveled to China in the last 30 days, you are not allowed entry. They will inspect every page in your passport to check the entry / exit stamps.

- Doki Doki: sign posted at front desk that says they cannot serve customers who have traveled to China in the last 30 days, but they did not check my passport when I went.

Overall, the Thais are still very welcoming of Chinese despite rising cases here (33 as of today). Most people are wearing masks in public. Thailand remains one of the few countries in Asia who have not imposed travel restrictions on travelers from China, and many Chinese are desperate to escape the bleak situation are coming to Thailand in droves, even after the CNY holiday.

Happy mongering and stay safe everyone!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2423456]Thanks for the heads up about that issue with Tinder. But I am sure I have discussed sex acts for money fairly blatantly a few times on Tinder before moving the discussion to Line without being banned. Have you tried to just restart a new subscription package through your current phone?

I remember being unable to open an account on one of the other regular dating site apps, ThaiCupid, and kept getting a message that they were "reviewing" my application due to something they were concerned about. I never found out what that concern was all about. But when I applied for an annual auto-renew package, something I wanted to do anyway, all was forgiven and they activated my account without a problem. Maybe starting a Tinder Gold subscription will loosen their grip on those rules of behavior or whatever.[/QUOTE]It probably is one or more girls reported the OP to Tinder that caused the problem.

Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.

Dark dress in middle.

First night, arrived when cafe just opened. Few guys circling. Took and seat and talked to an older woman. The older women at the cafe always nice. I was boorish. Was encouraged repeatedly to take a girl. Was not particularly in the mood but went a few laps. One of the girls took my wrist as I passed. Surprisingly attractive when I got a better look at her. Wore different makeup than vid, black jumpsuit that accentuated curves, strap heels. About 5'5. Girl-next-door type with exotic features. Quoted 2500. Acceptable. Decided to try Ruamchitt. Price for ST room was about 700 baht. Seemed to be her first time at the hotel and we got lost on the way up. Became v giggly. Ended up on wrong floor again, which made her to keel over and laugh. Found right room next attempt. Turned on air conditioner, closed shades. The room was a double, beds small. Worse, the bed frames had wheels so they gradually got displaced from headboards by activity. Appearance-wise, no tattoos, no loose skin or blemishes. Was not curvy, but OK, went with the girl-next-door vibe. Beginning at roughly 20 minutes and repeating every 5 or so minutes she would enjoin me to finish. After a number of injunctions, managed to obey. Would not let COF, so went to COB. In rush to pull off, condom snapped in my hand and accidentally splashed her face. Evoked brief scream and from scream my frantic concern.

Once sex was over, she was lively and giggly again. Coming down told me she started less than a month ago and came to cafe 2 nights a week. Not entirely true, during the next week she was there every day. Always in dress instead of jumpsuit. First night she was on left side, but subsequent seems to prefer right, in spot with bright lighting.

Glasses, black-red striped pants, white top.

Was in cafe for almost an hour. Did not find anyone I liked. Girl from group behind bar asked me to come over to talk. She knew Japanese but not much English. Did not have much to talk about. Finally, decided to take her. Talked down to 2000. She said 30 minutes. Tomboyish personality. Fake hipster glasses which complimented longish face shape. Long eyelashes, pale skin. Crows feet around eyes, due to makeup probably. Said age 24, worked in sales during the day, which may explain her forwardness. Friend told her about "the cafe". Seemed to lack indoor speaking voice. Spoke loudly in large empty lobby. In room, kicked off her heels and turned on music on speakerphone. For some reason shy about body. Hid in bathroom. Dimmed the lights so much it was nearly dark. Maybe because she accepted 2000. Refused BJ. She took off glasses. Told her to put glasses back on. After 10 minutes, began telling me to hurry. Went faster and deeper, but nowhere near finishing. Whimpering, repeated 'no's, cute anguished expression, but submissive. Seemed resigned to bearing it. Couldn't resist going harder. Fun to be cruel. Almost fell off bed. Me pouring sweat, her whimpering it hurt. Far from finishing so ended it. As soon as I said she could leave, transformed into upbeat tomboyish girl again. Accused me of having gone over 30 minutes, which I denied, but forgot I'd made that agreement at all.

Black string blouse in middle.

Told me from Issan. Pale skin, large eyes set somewhat wide apart, full lips. Earlier that trip, I'd seen another westerner walking with short thermae girl. Walked a little distance apart and seemed uncomfortable. Since then, made an effort to walk arm-in-arm, hand-over-shoulder, hand-in-hand. Anyway, walked about 5-10 minutes back to hotel. Had to demand repeatedly to shower together. Was friendly, but very shy. Insisted on dimming the lights. During penetration, when eye contact, would hum to herself and smile. No lube, so was dry at first. Then condom broke. Rinsed in shower, returned to bed. This time used spit. Around 2 am Said I was only guy. Was happy when I said she was pretty. 2000 or 2500.

Small sitting brown girl.

Almost took her several times. No chemistry. Cold and awkward, little English. Quoted 2500.

Oval-faced girl on left.

About to take her but was snatched by elderly Asian with lower-class manners. Unfortunate.

Was chatting with above glasses girl night after sex. Saw Japanese man with peaked black hoodie saunter by. Dressed all black, long hoodie. Resembled goth cosplay. V out of place and amusing sight. Later saw him talking animatedly with older woman in vid. Older woman spoke Japanese. Earlier in trip, showed me chats on her phone from Japanese man. Couldn't read Japanese but lots of exclamation marks. Picture of her and Japanese man. Apparently testimonies of her good service.

[QUOTE=Lager;2424390]Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.
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Small sitting brown girl. [URL]https://youtu.be/iwJlHVCr4Y4?t=120[/URL].

Almost took her several times. No chemistry. Cold and awkward, little English. Quoted 2500.
...[/QUOTE]I almost took her about two weeks ago myself. Big smile as I approached. Very personable as we chatted a moment about things in general. Then it came time to get to it. It being Thermae, I had to ask something to see if it was worth the hassle of walking out with her and down the road a bit; "Do you like to kiss?" pointing to my lips and hers. She said, "Oh, not so much." Already a no-go in my mind. However, with little to lose and willing to be surprised, I asked, "Are you ok if I kiss you everywhere?", discretely gesturing with as small circle to indicate her whole body. Her smile dropped and, with a very pained expression her face, she said, "Oh. Maybe just a little bit, but not too much."

Done and out. Same as you, I decided there was simply no chemistry to bother taking her. Thanks for this report. I thought it was because I was a farang. And an older one at that. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2424618]I almost took her about two weeks ago myself. Big smile as I approached. Very personable as we chatted a moment about things in general. Then it came time to get to it. It being Thermae, I had to ask something to see if it was worth the hassle of walking out with her and down the road a bit; "Do you like to kiss?" pointing to my lips and hers. She said, "Oh, not so much." Already a no-go in my mind. However, with little to lose and willing to be surprised, I asked, "Are you ok if I kiss you everywhere?", discretely gesturing with as small circle to indicate her whole body. Her smile dropped and, with a very pained expression her face, she said, "Oh. Maybe just a little bit, but not too much."

Done and out. Same as you, I decided there was simply no chemistry to bother taking her. Thanks for this report. I thought it was because I was a farang and an older one at that. LOL.[/QUOTE]She a working girl. What does she do? That's ridiculous. What do the guys who take her get for their 2500 Baht? She should go work at 7.
We should get a group together, say 5 or 6 of us, go into thermae 15 min apart, approach her and each ask her if she rims and takes it in the rice exit. That'd be a hoot.

[QUOTE=Lager;2424390]Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.[/QUOTE]Nice.

I am going to stay 7 nights at Ruamchitt late March this year.

But now I am thinking maybe I should cancel because of how you described the beds. I have Deluxe Twin Room.

Also I am not Asian and these girls don't seem to be fun. Even If the "Glasses, black-red striped pants, white top" is my type.

Wow, I spotted one of my long time repeat girls in this video: [URL]https://youtu.be/iwJlHVCr4Y4?t=120.[/URL].

She is not the girl you guys are talking about, so it has no bearing on the conversation pro or con. I knew she moonlighted in Thermae occasionally with her girl friend. She has a day job as an Insurance Company rep girl and used to work at Baccara up until 2014 when she was younger and a lot sexier. I still see her semi-regularly, but not on account of the sex which has no surprises anymore, but because she is a good girl, has a kinky sense of humor, and because I just like her. Go figure.

BTW, I give her 4000bt whenever I see her. Not because that is her asking price. Her Thermae price is 2500 bt and that is probably negotiable. Ha Ha. But her original no negotiation price when I first met her in Baccara back in 2009 was 2000 baht and that was top dollar back then. In all this time she has never asked me for more. I give her 4000 because I know her rent is 4500/month including utilities and like I said, I just like her. Basically I am helping to support her by giving her half of year's rent. I guess that makes her my part time mistress. 555.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2424636]Wow, I spotted one of my long time repeat girls in this video.[/QUOTE]How is it that the guy who films these videos is always as if he is invisible? The girls don't even glance at him. It's the same when he's waking the streets.

Interesting night. As I have said, the good and bad times generally come in waves.

A very cute, young, slim, waif-like freelancer Matches me on Tinder or rather I Matched her, says she is only in Bkk for three days and needs money. She has clicked on me before and we already had each other's Line from a previous time but she apparently does not remember or she just wants to remind me we have not met yet. The exchange essentially comes down to I will pay her 2000-3000 baht for "good, real sex and will not pay for bad sex", that is all. She is cute enough for me to go with the flow and see what happens in the room. It turns out she is from Isaan, of course, and comes to Bangkok every now and then with her friend who works in Hillary Bar (I didn't even ask which one), but hates to drink alcohol so she does not work in a bar and only freelances.

Unfortunately, what happens in the room is she is about as erotic and willing to please me as a cactus plant. She plops down next to me in bed after her shower, grabs my dick like a hanging strap on the skytrain and starts pulling it like she wants me to cum in record time. No way is that going to happen even if I wanted to cum in record time. So I remove her hand and try to kiss her on the lips. No way is that going to happen either. "Oh, I just ate spicy food," she says. I say, let's just relax for a minute first, wanting to at least cuddle a moment before plunging right in. I make a move to DATY. All of this including the "let's just relax a minute first" comment elicits little "ugh" type groans of impatience from her. She has her pattern, she's sticking to it and it is a really lousy one for the customer, imo. I tell her she seems to only be interested in what she wants to do, not what I want to do. The DATY comes to an abrupt end the instant I dip my tongue the tiniest bit into her slit and she yelps, "NOT so deep!" Believe me, it was not deep.

"Ok", I say as I stand up and wipe my mouth with the nearest towel, "I'm going to call this Very Bad Sex. Thanks for stopping by. I will give you 100 baht for your time. " She dresses in silence and out she goes. Bye.

So I head over to Nana Plaza. Passing Angelwitch go-go bar, a doorgirl hooks my arm and tries to pull me in. My hand cups her bare butt (except for a thong bikini bottom) and it feels great. I pop a boner almost immediately and go inside the bar with her. She stays with me, I buy her a drink and it is about as immediate, erotic and pleasant a chemistry as I have felt with a new girl in a long time. Nice, sleek, satiny smooth body and skin, no tits to speak of and a face for which I might generously give a rating of 6. But she is a sweet girl and feels great in my hands. After one LD which she barely touches, apparently not wanting this magical time of her sitting on my lap to end, I hear her tell me she REALLY wants me to pay the barfine and take her. I REALLY want to as well. However, despite the fact that she kept repeating, "I really like you. I want make you happy. Don't worry. If you are happy I am happy," the earlier episode with the freelancer told me this might turn out to be one of those nights. So I had to ask if that meant she would be ok to boom boom me no condom.

No way, no how, not tonight, not ever. And as she was about to launch into a safety lecture, I stopped her and said, "No problem, honey. Kow jai (I understand). I feel very safe about what I do but I know you must feel safe, too. So I cannot take you. But thank you for sitting with me anyway. Nice meeting you." I paid our drink bill, gave her a 100 baht note and left.

Then I capped this night off with a stop in Geisha Bar. I wasn't all that interested in what I was seeing on stage or sitting around on the stools. The girl I'd taken a couple of times in the previous weeks was not there. But after a few minutes sitting with my drink a fairly cute little spinner on stage I'd never seen before gestures to me, the only one among a couple of dozen girls there at 11pm who seemed to even notice me. So I chuckled and called her over. She is very fluent in English, energetic, wears big glasses and goes by the name Pim. As soon as her LD hits the counter she leans over and says, "I have been dancing for so long here night after night, I am very happy to finally sit down. But I should tell you I never go to hotel with customer for sex. No. Never. I only get Ladydrinks."

I should have called the server over and told her to take that drink off my bill right then and there. But for whatever reason I didn't. Maybe I was kind of gobsmacked that they wouldn't at least put these little scammers in different clothes or wear a different badge or something to identify them as no sex and only LD scammers on stage. Plus I guess I was kind of curious what kind of girl pulls that shit at a time when customer numbers are down by major percentages.

Anyway, within a minute or so, her "rest time" off the stage was over. I paid my bill, said bye to Pim and walked over to the mamasan. I asked her why there is no identification for the girls who only get LDs and never go to the hotel for sex with a customer. The mamasan seemed shocked that anyone would ask such a thing. "Up to girl!"

"Uh, I know it is up to the girl to decide if she wants to have sex with a customer. I'm talking about a girl who gestures to a customer for a drink, sits down and the instant her LD arrives she tells the customer she will not be leaving with him for sex. I didn't even talk to her about sex. Is this bar a scammer bar now?"

"Which girl!?"

"That one sitting on the stool in front of the stage. Pim."

Voice raised, not to the girl, to me, "Why you not ask if she goes to hotel for sex before you buy drink!??"

"Trust me, now that I know this is a scammer bar, I will ask every girl, IF I ever come in here again." As I turned and walked out of Geisha Bar Nana Plaza, the mamasan was still shouting something about this topic at me but I could not really hear through the loud music. However, I am pretty sure it wasn't anything like, oh, please don't go we have plenty of girls to take care of you.

I have been asked several times recently by guys who come to Bangkok often throughout the year but have not been able to make it happen for one reason or another during this coronavirus hysteria if the girls are working harder to please the few remaining customers, offering and providing more, cutting their asking prices and so on.

Well, they can assess what is in these reports on Thermae, the massage shops and my experience with a freelancer and two different go-go bars tonight in order judge for themselves if that is anywhere close to the way Thai people in the P4P industry deal with economic hard times. In my experience, offering and providing more while charging less is not the way Thai people in the P4P industry deal with economic hard times.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2424636]Wow, I spotted one of my long time repeat girls in this video: [URL]https://youtu.be/iwJlHVCr4Y4?t=120.[/URL].

She is not the girl you guys are talking about, so it has no bearing on the conversation pro or con. I knew she moonlighted in Thermae occasionally with her girl friend. She has a day job as an Insurance Company rep girl and used to work at Baccara up until 2014 when she was younger and a lot sexier. I still see her semi-regularly, but not on account of the sex which has no surprises anymore, but because she is a good girl, has a kinky sense of humor, and because I just like her. Go figure.

BTW, I give her 4000bt whenever I see her. Not because that is her asking price. Her Thermae price is 2500 bt and that is probably negotiable. Ha Ha. But her original no negotiation price when I first met her in Baccara back in 2009 was 2000 baht and that was top dollar back then. In all this time she has never asked me for more. I give her 4000 because I know her rent is 4500/month including utilities and like I said, I just like her. Basically I am helping to support her by giving her half of year's rent. I guess that makes her my part time mistress. 555.[/QUOTE]Which girl is she? What time stamp on the video does she show up? Just curious on what your taste tend to go in girls. Personally, I like the girl at 2:51 of the video and another at 10:23.

[QUOTE=Lager;2424390]Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.

Glasses, black-red striped pants, white top. [URL]https://youtu.be/e4IAhio45z4?t=116[/URL].

Was in cafe for almost an hour. Did not find anyone I liked. Girl from group behind bar asked me to come over to talk. She knew Japanese but not much English. Did not have much to talk about. Finally, decided to take her. Talked down to 2000. She said 30 minutes. Tomboyish personality. Fake hipster glasses which complimented longish face shape. Long eyelashes, pale skin. Crows feet around eyes, due to makeup probably. Said age 24, worked in sales during the day, which may explain her forwardness. [/QUOTE]Good report, thank you.

That girl looked more like 44 to me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2424641]How is it that the guy who films these videos is always as if he is invisible? The girls don't even glance at him. It's the same when he's waking the streets.[/QUOTE]Thanks to whomever posted the videos. Thermae is not at all as I expected. For some reason I thought the girls would all be in cocktail dresses or the like. Like fishbowl girls. Surprised to see so many dressed casually or a bit frumpy in pants. Won't keep me from doing them! But thanks for the heads up to set expectations. 🙏.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2424641]How is it that the guy who films these videos is always as if he is invisible? The girls don't even glance at him. It's the same when he's waking the streets.[/QUOTE]These cameras can be as small as a bottle cap. The lens at least. In this case, it appears from the low, waist high angle that he put the camera in a fanny pack with a hole in it for the lens or perhaps even on or near his belt buckle. Nobody knows they're being caught on video.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2424620]She a working girl. What does she do? That's ridiculous. What do the guys who take her get for their 2500 Baht? She should go work at 7.
We should get a group together, say 5 or 6 of us, go into thermae 15 min apart, approach her and each ask her if she rims and takes it in the rice exit. That'd be a hoot.[/QUOTE]Those are all good questions. I have taken to directly asking lazy hookers why they are in the business if they never actually DO anything and say NO to almost anything a customer would actually want sexually.

Of course, it's hard to argue and shame a girl out of her chosen profession if she can make 2,000 - 4,000 baht, more than a week's pay, for doing almost nothing pro-actively in a hotel room for 30 minutes.

I was in Hillary 2 a few nights ago and minding my own business when two Thai ladies sat to each side of me at one of those round table tops. Shortly thereafter, this petite girl with honey colored hair wearing a cute sundress came over to talk to these women. I indicated to one of the ladies my interest in her friend and she immediately took the bait and curled up in my arms like a little kitten.

It was not my intention to pick up someone that night but decided to make an exception and after fifteen minutes of snuggling she proposed we go to my hotel. I am staying at an apartment but nevertheless took the bait and we made our way over to the apartment. At first, I was hoping she was a part time P4 P as I find they are the best of all worlds. However, as we were ambling up Soi 4, she said Hello, to some gal in front of 7/11 and wondered if I had misread the situation.

After our arrival at my apartment, I mentioned I was traveling to DaNang next week because my visa was expiring and would spend several days there. I could see her catch her breath for a second and then she told that she was from DaNang. I also caught my breath as I was not pleased to hear this. Last winter, I had two experiences with Vietnamese girls I met in Hillary 2 and one I kicked out of of the apartment before we even got going and the other I wish that I had.

Given she was already there, I decided to go ahead. She went in to shower and then I took mine. When I returned she was buried under the sheets, a bad sign if I ever saw one. To cut to the chase, after several minutes, I decided to cut short our encounter. It was like banging a dead fish and about as non erotic as could be. She would not kiss either. Even though I stayed hard, I lost interest due to her lackadaisical attitude and decided enough was enough.

I left 1500 b on top of her purse and was tempted to leave less as we never discussed money beforehand. True to form, she was clueless as how uninspired her performance was by attempting to give me a kiss on the forehead as she left. BTW, her name is Hien.

I had vowed last year to toss off any entreaties from Vietnamese girls in and around NaNa. Now, the three strike rule is solidly in effect. Unfortunately, I forgot to ask her nationality this time probably cause her friends appeared to be Thai and her girl next door attitude in the bar.

I had a dud session with a rather good-looking Vietnamese girl who was waiting across the street outside Nana Plaza. She indicated she was deaf, which I thought shouldn't be a problem. I don't know whether the poor performance was due to her deafness.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2424789]Those are all good questions. I have taken to directly asking lazy hookers why they are in the business if they never actually DO anything and say NO to almost anything a customer would actually want sexually.

Of course, it's hard to argue and shame a girl out of her chosen profession if she can make 2,000 - 4,000 baht, more than a week's pay, for doing almost nothing pro-actively in a hotel room for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]Blame is 100% with the punters. Obviously there are guys that are accepting this and paying full price for it instead of kicking the gal out with a couple hundred Baht. Amazing that mongers get so little today and don't seem to care.

[QUOTE=XXL;2424836]I had a dud session with a rather good-looking Vietnamese girl who was waiting across the street outside Nana Plaza. She indicated she was deaf, which I thought shouldn't be a problem. I don't know whether the poor performance was due to her deafness.[/QUOTE]I would say it was because she is from Vietnam. Plenty of reports on here about good experiences with deaf (Thai) girls. I would like to invite any readers to post your good experiences about Viet girls you met in Bangkok. Let's see if anyone has one.

Just for the record, I have been to Vietnam and had very nice experiences whilst there with the ladies.

[QUOTE=XXL;2424836]I had a dud session with a rather good-looking Vietnamese girl who was waiting across the street outside Nana Plaza. She indicated she was deaf, which I thought shouldn't be a problem. I don't know whether the poor performance was due to her deafness.[/QUOTE]I've had three of the deaf girls who stand in front of Nana Hotel sign. One was a dud, one was kind of sweet but needs improvement, one was actually quite good. I took the one that was quite good twice several months ago but have not seen her out there since. She was one of the "deaf girls with hair braids" clones, some of whom are still standing there almost every night. But she was a bit older than the others. She had a nice, fit body and, wonder of wonders, understood how to create a good sex session. The other two are still working the area in the afternoons and evenings.

It is said, "A man falls in love with his eyes, a woman with her ears. " So you are dealing with a female who has not fallen in love with any man based on his voice, how he plays on her emotions with sweet talk, wooing her and so on. I am not saying deaf girls are incapable of those feelings by a long shot. But I have to say I got a cooler, less intimate feeling with those girls than most. Even with the quite good one in bed. I suppose the counterpart would be if you were blind from birth. Would you really be moved one way or the other by a woman's effort to make herself look nice for you on a date?

[QUOTE=XXL;2424836]I had a dud session with a rather good-looking Vietnamese girl who was waiting across the street outside Nana Plaza. She indicated she was deaf, which I thought shouldn't be a problem. I don't know whether the poor performance was due to her deafness.[/QUOTE]I've had three of the deaf girls who stand in front of Nana Hotel sign. One was a dud, one was kind of sweet but needs improvement, one was actually quite good. I took the one that was quite good twice several months ago but have not seen her out there since. She was one of the "deaf girls with hair braids" clones, some of whom are still standing there almost every night. But she was a bit older than the others. She had a nice, fit body and, wonder of wonders, understood how to create a good sex session. The other two are still working the area in the afternoons and evenings.

It is said, "A man falls in love with his eyes, a woman with her ears." So you are dealing with a female who has not fallen in love with any man based on his voice, how he plays on her emotions with sweet talk, wooing her and so on. I am not saying deaf girls are incapable of those feelings by a long shot. But I have to say I got a cooler, less intimate feeling with those girls than most. Even with the quite good one in bed. I suppose the counterpart would be if you were blind from birth. Would you really be moved one way or the other by a woman's effort to make herself look nice for you on a date?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2424874]I've had three of the deaf girls who stand in front of Nana Hotel sign. One was a dud, one was kind of sweet but needs improvement, one was actually quite good. I took the one that was quite good twice several months ago but have not seen her out there since. She was one of the "deaf girls with hair braids" clones, some of whom are still standing there almost every night. But she was a bit older than the others. She had a nice, fit body and, wonder of wonders, understood how to create a good sex session. The other two are still working the area in the afternoons and evenings.

It is said, "A man falls in love with his eyes, a woman with her ears." So you are dealing with a female who has not fallen in love with any man based on his voice, how he plays on her emotions with sweet talk, wooing her and so on. I am not saying deaf girls are incapable of those feelings by a long shot. But I have to say I got a cooler, less intimate feeling with those girls than most. Even with the quite good one in bed. I suppose the counterpart would be if you were blind from birth. Would you really be moved one way or the other by a woman's effort to make herself look nice for you on a date?[/QUOTE]But the Chewbacca noises.

The Thermae video is a perfect illustration of why I leave alone 95% of the time. And how uninspiring in every way that place is.

I can't remember the last time I have seen anything remotely attractive on the street on Soi 4. It's not just the looks, it's also the obvious mercenary attitudes.

Nana also almost undoable these days. I had one place that I could rely on most of the time. That seems to have gone down the toilet.

So what's left?

If we want girls with decent service (even if mechanical) = nuru massages with good reviews.

Experienced sex = older escorts from agencies or smooci.

Normal massage non happy = health land.

Still good.

I wanted to try 2-3 girls from Billboard at Nana, but afraid of rumors they have post OP there. One of those gorgeous looking girls does not even seem Thai.

I've had phenomenal success wih Viets outside of Vietnam, but in Thailand I prefer the local dishes. My absolute best pay for play gal was a Viet in UAE, who sadly left the biz in exchange for an older farang who takes care of her elsewhere in SE Asia.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2424869]I would say it was because she is from Vietnam. Plenty of reports on here about good experiences with deaf (Thai) girls. I would like to invite any readers to post your good experiences about Viet girls you met in Bangkok. Let's see if anyone has one.

Just for the record, I have been to Vietnam and had very nice experiences whilst there with the ladies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Catire;2424939]The Thermae video is a perfect illustration of why I leave alone 95% of the time. And how uninspiring in every way that place is.

I can't remember the last time I have seen anything remotely attractive on the street on Soi 4. It's not just the looks, it's also the obvious mercenary attitudes.

Nana also almost undoable these days. I had one place that I could rely on most of the time. That seems to have gone down the toilet.[/QUOTE]Every time I go to Thermae I am both nostalgic and infuriated. It was so fun 20 years ago. A party every night. Gals dancing, drinking, grabbing your crotch, all outgoing, and ready to get a customer. Asian customers have really changed the entire scene and Thermae is still the best example of how. We just want very different things from P4 P gals. And we westerners are never going to dominate the scene in Asia again. Of course I would put forth that very few places on the planet are better than they were 20 years ago when it comes to P4 P.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2424869]I would say it was because she is from Vietnam. Plenty of reports on here about good experiences with deaf (Thai) girls. I would like to invite any readers to post your good experiences about Viet girls you met in Bangkok. Let's see if anyone has one.

Just for the record, I have been to Vietnam and had very nice experiences whilst there with the ladies.[/QUOTE]I have had many memorable experiences with Viet girls. I also find them among the better eye candy in Asia.

My most recent experience with a Viet girl was in Bangkok. I liked that girl so much that I ended up seeing her every day while I was there. Other times, I met other Viet girls in Ho Chi Minh City, Singapore, and Macau.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2424909]But the Chewbacca noises.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes, there were those in two of the cases. But not in the dud case. The dud was such a dud I didn't even get into her for her to start making any noises, if there were going to be any at all.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2421502]From DM walk out the front door and get on the #1 or #2 bus. I will take you direct to Mochit / Chatuchat 30 baht, with no stops and they use the Toll highway, where you can catch the MRT 35 baht direct to Sukumvit terminal. Or you can take from the same Mochit / Chatuchat stop, the BTS, 45 baht direct to Nana terminal at Soi 7/1. Get things done and reverse the travel back to DM.

Depends on the time of day for any travel in Bkk. If rush hour, forget it. Jerk off in the toilet. You do not have enough time during rush hours.

RL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips.

If I had been able to drop my bag first I might have done the bus / BTS method.

I managed to get a nice 2 HR session at Tulip.

Five hours was all it took in all, but a lot of this is due to light Sunday night traffic (30 min each way using highway).

18:45 collect bag.

19:00 order grab.

19:15,grab calls, he is on wrong floor.

19:30 get into grab.

20:00 arrive Tulip.

21:50 leave Tulip.

Walk around a bit thinking of doing some shopping but nothing open.

22:15 taxi to airport (almost forgot to tell driver DMK).

22:45 arrive airport.

23:00 bag dropped.

23:15 through immigration and security.

23:25 at gate with an hour to spare before departure.

[QUOTE=Catire;2424939]The Thermae video is a perfect illustration of why I leave alone 95% of the time. And how uninspiring in every way that place is.

I can't remember the last time I have seen anything remotely attractive on the street on Soi 4. It's not just the looks, it's also the obvious mercenary attitudes.

Nana also almost undoable these days. I had one place that I could rely on most of the time. That seems to have gone down the toilet.[/QUOTE]Wow, Catire, that's a pretty sweeping indictment of the single biggest P4P area of Bangkok; Nana Plaza, Soi 4, Sukhumvit including Thermae. However, I am not one of those to dismiss your observations and say you must be exaggerating or simply not looking in the right places. Nope. I have been there where you are in your observations and feelings often enough myself to know those impressions can indeed be legitimate. Especially about the repellent undisguised mercenary attitudes. I guess I'm fine with disguised mercenary attitudes if they're good at it. lol.

On the other hand, I still believe these things come and go in waves. As lousy as one night is for me, the next 2-3 more often than not produce fine experiences. It can even be bad for several nights in a row and good for only 1-2. LOL. I suppose that is where having a fairly extensive back up stable of regulars comes in handy. Even though that doesn't do it as well as having that new experience with a new girl.

Maybe my standards are lower in terms of looks than yours or others. I can usually find someone new and doable on any given night in those places if I really set out to have a session with a new girl. As long as they hit the bases on my 2-3 minimal requirements for a successful session and agree to them upfront. If not, it is easy enough for me to drop the whole idea of having a session that night and go back to my apartment with Netflix on the big flatscreen tv.

Expecting more than that in Thailand, let's say a wild PSE or a True GFE/Real Sex with a super hottie, is not really something I can plan on or demand or I will go a very, very, very long time between sessions. And that causes a downward spiraling effect I try to avoid. The less you fuck, the less you fuck. The more you fuck, the more you fuck. Therefore, sometimes I need to close one eye, sguint the other eye, ignore what I hear other than their upfront agreement to my minimal terms and forge ahead with a session just to keep the momentum going so I'll be on my game when the better deal comes along. Which it always does.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2425182]I have had many memorable experiences with Viet girls. I also find them among the better eye candy in Asia.

My most recent experience with a Viet girl was in Bangkok. I liked that girl so much that I ended up seeing her every day while I was there. Other times, I met other Viet girls in Ho Chi Minh City, Singapore, and Macau.[/QUOTE]I have met nice, sexy, and fun Vietnam girls in Macau (at the spa Familia Nobre) and also in Ho Chi Minh City and other areas of the country. However, in Bangkok, I have not. In fact, on all three occasions it has been an unmitigated disaster. You mention meeting this Vietnam girl in Bangkok but did you meet around NaNa or elsewhere?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2424808]................... Even though I stayed hard, I lost interest due to her lackadaisical attitude and decided enough was enough...................[/QUOTE]I have never had a session end with a hard dick unless the girl said enough was enough.

[QUOTE=Lager;2424390]Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.

Dark dress in middle: [URL]https://youtu.be/PFwHuqbyABQ?t=109[/URL].

................[/QUOTE]I am hoping that these are not the top of the line beauties to be found in Bangkok now. When I was last in BKK in 2015 I regularly visited Nataree, the girls there were much younger and so much more beautiful.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2425195]Wow, Catire, that's a pretty sweeping indictment of the single biggest P4P area of Bangkok; Nana Plaza, Soi 4, Sukhumvit including Thermae
[/QUOTE]Yes, but I still manage to find something anyways. Now it's moved to online. Had even found a gem on Craigslist a while back.

I manage to still stumble into a diamond among the coals.

But my point was how it has really turned into a dump of coals.

And no. My tastes vis a vis a looks aren't particularly sky high. In fact, I often like plainer looking girls that other guys aren't interested in. One thing I've gotten better at with time and practice is with my "gut feel" though one can never truly know ahead of time.

The other thing I have learned about Thailand particularly is how for a better sexual experience, the thirty somethings might be the way to go (this is probably true not only in Thailand LOL) but I've been blown away by some of my sexcapades with older milfy Thai ladies who are already considered.

old and unappreciated in their own society, sometimes by tourists. But still have to eke out a living or earn money on the side.

I treat them right (and by this I mean not just monetarily) and almost anything I want they will "make for me" :D

I quickly scanned those Thermae videos and if I were not more experienced at Thermae I would say Thermae talent is way way down. Out of all those videos I quickly skimmed I really only saw 1 girl I would pursue. However, when I first saw those videos I knew the guy recording them must have been at Thermae early between 8:00 and 8:45 pm or so. This would account for the lack of talent and how few guys and girls in the bar. It's usually a lot of older pros early because they like to start before the hotter younger girls arrive. Two of my favorite girls don't even show up until well after 10:00 pm. My girl Rikar didn't arrive until after midnight!

Having said the above Thermae talent is way way way way down from the Good Old Days of 2016.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2425354]I have never had a session end with a hard dick unless the girl said enough was enough.[/QUOTE]Yes, and with her starfish attitude she was saying just that so I decided it was pointless to continue. I think that I was mere seconds away from her saying it hurt or are you finished et. Al.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2424869] I would like to invite any readers to post your good experiences about Viet girls you met in Bangkok. Let's see if anyone has one.[/QUOTE]Posted about it a few pages back, but I had a fantastic experience with a Vietnamese girl outside of Nana. 2 k ST /6 LT. Ridiculous huge DD tits, thick, but reasonably small waist. Very well dressed also with some super sexy lingerie. Some of the Thai WG, even FLs who's living depends on it, just don't present themselves as well as they could. Like a quick trip to the mall and a few thousand baht on clothing / makeup / something besides grannie panties and they'd probably greatly improve their earnings. Viet girl was very pretty and would not look out of place in a high budget porn. Had some definite chemistry and she invited me to come with her to Vietnam right then after our 2nd session, as she was leaving for the new year. I didn't know her well enough at that point to do that, and she also unfortunately had the loosest vagina I've ever experienced and had never done A+.

Had a Chinese speaking Viet in China as well; also a fantastic experience and I did not even know she was Vietnamese until after the fact because her Chinese was pretty damn good.

And= 2, but both fantastic!

I like the layout of this place. The food is not bad either. Unfortunately, on my five or so visits up to now I have never seen more than 3 or 4 girls at lunchtime. By the way, any sightings of the African girls who used to sit at the intersection of Alley 7 and Sukhumvit Road? I checked at 10 pm yesterday and no one was there. Do they turn up later?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2425341]...You mention meeting this Vietnam girl in Bangkok but did you meet around NaNa or elsewhere?[/QUOTE]Yes, it was around Nana. I was alerted to the Viet ladies presence by EihTooms in one of his Bangkok post. A group of them stand across from one of the Hilary bars. I think it's Hilary 1. I liked the one I met, and may have even fallen in love with her. I practically wifed up with her the time I was there.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2425797]Yes, and with her starfish attitude she was saying just that so I decided it was pointless to continue. I think that I was mere seconds away from her saying it hurt or are you finished et. Al.[/QUOTE]When Asian girl says to me 'it hurts', I reply 'my wallet hurts', lets ease each others pain.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2425359]I am hoping that these are not the top of the line beauties to be found in Bangkok now. When I was last in BKK in 2015 I regularly visited Nataree, the girls there were much younger and so much more beautiful.[/QUOTE]They are not top of the line in Thermae, I spot a few girls that I could approach if I was there from his other video.

Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.

I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=AvocaDick;2426163]Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.

I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

Thailand has 35 confirmed cases, that's all we know for now. It doesn't take close contact to spread, sitting in the same bar should do the trick.

Plenty of other things spread with saliva, pussy juices and all. If you're paranoid about catching anything, this is the wrong hobby for you.

Not sure why single out freelancers, it's not like bargirls get daily coronavirus testing. I guess some people like to feel safe by drawing arbitrary and meaningless lines.

Personally, I don't think coronavirus is a concern for mongering at this point, you may well get it on the BTS.

[QUOTE=AvocaDick;2426163]Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.

I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.

I cruised through Thermae about 10:30PM last night and got the same cold shoulder from the best looking young girls in there that I was used to getting as a farang man pre corornavirus.

As I walked down Sukhumvit after leaving Thermae I got arm hooked by a new freelancer I had never seen before, attractive, about 30 years old, seemed to be desperate to convince me to please take her for ST. "Well, do you like to kiss on the lips?", I asked her after a short chat about names, where I stay and so on. Her beaming smile dropped and with a pained look on her face she said, "Oh, um, um, only a little bit." Bye. So much for any desperation to convince me to take her for ST. I didn't even bother to ask her about BBFS.

I had been pursued relentlessly by a kind of sexy girl who clicked Interested in me on a dating site who works in a massage shop in Bang Rak. So I finally went there yesterday afternoon to meet her, got a 30 minute head and shoulder massage. There was a lot of chemistry, she had a very nice touch, cute face and a great butt. I popped a boner just from the head and shoulder massage. I was interested in more later that night or any time, especially since she said they were getting so few customers lately. It was not possible to conduct a negotiation in her shop with all the other idle massage girls sitting there. In a Line chat right after I left the shop, while she was still in hot pursuit to meet me in my room for more later, I broached the topic of my need to have BBFS if there was going to be a pleasant ST or LT for me. As expected, her reply was essentially No Way, No How, Not Now, Not Ever.

I say "as expected" because that is the way it is with me and massage shop girls almost every time. But, like many fellow punters have asked me since the coronavirus hysteria hit and there has been a marked decrease in customer traffic, I thought conditions would be more conducive to getting more and better service from Thai P4P girls these days. Nope. Not in my case, at least.

In fact, I just set up a date for LT with a tried and true dependable regular for tonight, Saturday night, because I am not in the mood to joust with the No Way, No How, Not Now, Not Ever or the utterly incompetent sex worker crowd again tonight.

Oh, that reminds me, I did encounter a brand new (to me) FL on Sukhumvit Road as I was getting closer to my apartment after the hot, young but disinterested Thermae and the Non Kisser street girl tour. She was kind of cute, mid 20s, nice little body, speaks English fairly fluently. She walked past me and we both turned to give a second look. Quick chat. Yes to BBFS, no problem. 1,500 for LT. Seems it was love at first sight of me and my interest in giving her money for sex. Unfortunately, in the bed and at crunch time she was either too incompetent or adamantly opposed to the idea of reaching around to do a little slow and gentle ball tickling during fucking that I have found over the past 3-4 decades I need in order finish. As little as 2-3 minutes of it will do it for me once I have decided I want to finish. Very simple. But not for this girl. Who knows what the hell that was about. So I thanked her for her time, gave her 1,000 baht and off she went. I will not repeat.

Now, in her case, I didn't ask her about kissing on the lips beforehand. But it turned out she was very much into it. We engaged in DFK for what seemed like 15 minutes before the fucking began. Heavenly for me. I had a raging hardon from that, as always. Not that I need 15 minutes of DFK. 1-2 minutes of it is usually all it takes for me to get that raging hardon from it. This girl was really into it without my prompting. Still, her weird resistance to tickling my balls meant that raging hardon was not going to have a happy ending with this girl.

But if there was any chance of me getting the coronavirus from saliva and if this girl had it, I suppose I will know in a couple of weeks if I got it, too. Then again, maybe I've had it for a week already and gave it to her! Nobody knows. I'll be sure to post about it here. However, as Crocodilexp pointed out, I could just as well get it from inhaling next to a carrier on the BTS train. Or MRT. Or in a queue at a 7-11.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2426388]Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.[/QUOTE]Hello EihTooms,

I think you will have to wait two or three more months before the girls around Asia start to get really desperate and start to lower their prices and up their services. First the Chinese stopped coming. Now Koreans and Japanese have started to cancel en masse. Other Asians from other nearby countries are also starting to reconsider traveling. Europeans are less likely to come to Asia for their holidays later this year.

It will take a few more months but the dominoes are starting to fall slowly and this will accelerate in the coming months. If as a business or person you depend on income from tourism you will be in big trouble. Thailand and most SE and E Asian countries will have one of their worst years in a long time. It will be a buyers market in a few months.

Rather than replying to the previous posts I thought it better to start a new post and give you some of my experiences since the corona virus became an issue. Like EihTooms I haven't noticed any marked change from any of the girls I met. I have moved from shops and street freelancers to internet dating sites such as Tinder, WeChat and TF as I am finding better looking girls here. Over the past 2 months I hooked up with 6 different girls who I met this way.

2 that immediately declared themselves as FL.

2 that told me they had no job and asked for a financial contribution.

2 that had no financial expectations as they have their own business and just want a good time.

All of them arrived with face mask but once in my condo it was business as usual.

The first freelancer was a lady called Su Sue. She asked 2 K for 2 hours She usually works at one of the massage shops on Soi 22 but had contacted me via WeChat. Not the greatest looker but her service performance was outstanding. Her BBBJ technique was excellent with good suction. After DATY somehow the prepared condom was ignored and we went through the FS program with a COF finish.

The second FL was an Indonesian girl named Jessie with an incredibly hot body and like other Indos I have met an almost aggressive approach to sex. She was the total PSE program including anal and sandwich with toy. After 2 rounds I felt like I had been in a cage fight. She had asked for 3,5 K but was totally worth it. She had excellent English and loved to talk dirty. Unfortunately she left a few days later and I didn't get the chance to repeat. This girl I had also met via WeChat.

On TF I met a girl called Sunisa. Tiny girl about 38 kg. Age given as 35 but Probably older. She quoted 2 K ST and 3 K LT. Liked what I saw from the pictures and after chatting for a few days took the chance on LT at my condo. She was super excited about that and after a beer to relax her a bit she did everything possible to please me and all holes were available BBFS. She fell asleep with my dick in her mouth and woke me up next morning with a wonderful blowjob. I had assumed that she would be on her way after breakfast but somehow she made no attempts to leave and as it was a Sunday we went straight back to bed where we stayed for the rest of the day. She left Monday morning when I had to get ready for work. Gave her the agreed 3 K which she was happy with and asked when she could see me again. Subsequently she came back a couple of nights over the following weeks but I had to cut the cord since she was becoming clingy and suggested of moving in, haha.

On WeChat I met another girl called Wantika. Late twenties, bit of a mummy tummy but nice boobs and gives a great BBBJ. She is the "quicky" girl during lunch hour. She gets 1.5 K and we meet at a nearby curtain hotel close to my office. I think she also works in an office nearby because she is usually formally dressed when we meet. Condoms were used a few times to start with but afterwards got ignored. We usually end with CIM. Hinted that she would like to spend more time with me after work but I don't think so.

During CNY I met 2 ladies on Tinder that are totally non-commercial. I am not giving their names because of that and also I am interested in keeping both them for a longer time. Both of them have their own business. They are both in their mid-thirties.

One owns two hair salons, is also a Yoga teacher with and incredibly toned body. She lives a little outside of Bangkok and usually comes to pick me up in her car as she prefers that we go to her house and spend the night there. Never has been married and never had a baby. She horny as hell and has incredible stamina. As she works at the weekends we usually meet on her days off which requires a bit work scheduling for me but so far we managed to meet once a week. The only downside is her poor English which combined with my little Thai sounds like two 3 years olds having a conversation. But since we spend most of the time in the sack it hardly matters.

The other one has a small hotel in the outskirts. She is not fat at all but a bit on the plumper side (about 62 kg) But she has an amazing rack for a Thai with a firm 38 the cup. I think coming to my place is a mini holiday for her. She loves to cook for me and then have a long sex session. She told me she has been divorced for the past 2 years and since she has to run the hotel by herself doesn't get a lot of time to date and certainly never wants to be with another Thai man again. She has an eight year old son who stays with her and is looked after by her sister who jointly runs the hotel with her. During sex she comes with in the first 10 minutes and then gets off multiple times during the course of our session. I would say the ratio is 5:1 in her favor haha.

In summary, I have seen no difference in the mating behavior after Corona. Unfortunately I am going to the US for three month due to work commitment and dread the the dry months ahead of me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2426388]She walked past me and we both turned to give a second look. Quick chat. Yes to BBFS, no problem. 1,500 for LT. Seems it was love at first sight of me and my interest in giving her money for sex. Unfortunately, in the bed and at crunch time she was either too incompetent or adamantly opposed to the idea of reaching around to do a little slow and gentle ball tickling during fucking that I have found over the past 3-4 decades I need in order finish. As little as 2-3 minutes of it will do it for me once I have decided I want to finish. Very simple. But not for this girl. Who knows what the hell that was about. So I thanked her for her time, gave her 1,000 baht and off she went. I will not repeat.[/QUOTE]Seems to me that Mr. Tooms moved the goal line here. On the street the girl agreed to his BBFS ask, and in the room she honored her commitment. But at that juncture he added a new term to the deal. When she demurred, he paid only two-thirds of the agreed amount and sent her packing.

I understand the concept that the customer is always right. As the transgender hooker in the movie classic "Risky Business" tells Joel Goodson: "I mean, when you put your good money down you got to get what you wanted in the first place. Know what I mean? When you buy a TV, you don't buy Sony if you want RCA."

But as the old saw reminds us, often the perfect is the enemy of the good. That is, I think, especially true in this pursuit of ours. I'm not telling anybody what to do. But if were me, I would have declared victory and enjoyed myself, even if I didn't get that last five percent performance.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2426388]Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.

I cruised through Thermae about 10:30PM last night and got the same cold shoulder from the best looking young girls in there that I was used to getting as a farang man pre corornavirus.

As I walked down Sukhumvit after leaving Thermae I got arm hooked by a new freelancer I had never seen before, attractive, about 30 years old, seemed to be desperate to convince me to please take her for ST. "Well, do you like to kiss on the lips?", I asked her after a short chat about names, where I stay and so on. Her beaming smile dropped and with a pained look on her face she said, "Oh, um, um, only a little bit." Bye. So much for any desperation to convince me to take her for ST. I didn't even bother to ask her about BBFS.

I had been pursued relentlessly by a kind of sexy girl who clicked Interested in me on a dating site who works in a massage shop in Bang Rak. So I finally went there yesterday afternoon to meet her, got a 30 minute head and shoulder massage..[/QUOTE]We have our differences ET over unprotected sex but there is no denying the envy I feel for your drive and stamina. Even in my prime which was quite a while back I had no where near your zeal to get laid. On top I admire your ability to take rejection and disappointment in your stride and carry on regardless to get what you desire and may I say in all honestly just based on the effort alone you put into it what you deserve.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2426262]Thailand has 35 confirmed cases, that's all we know for now. It doesn't take close contact to spread, sitting in the same bar should do the trick.

Plenty of other things spread with saliva, pussy juices and all. If you're paranoid about catching anything, this is the wrong hobby for you.

Not sure why single out freelancers, it's not like bargirls get daily coronavirus testing. I guess some people like to feel safe by drawing arbitrary and meaningless lines.

Personally, I don't think coronavirus is a concern for mongering at this point, you may well get it on the BTS.[/QUOTE]I have a different opinion on this. Sitting in a bts with mask and kissing or licking pussy of a FL or hooker who might have had close contact with Chinese are two very different things. As long as you're not touching your nose-ear-mouth area (that's where a mask helps), and cleaning hands with sanitizer regularly, you'll be a lot safer. But fucking a hooker whose mainly clients are asians, not sounds so safe, I would either wait for 1-2 months or just go to Europe or Brazil for a while.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2426518]Seems to me that Mr. Tooms moved the goal line here. On the street the girl agreed to his BBFS ask, and in the room she honored her commitment. But at that juncture he added a new term to the deal. When she demurred, he paid only two-thirds of the agreed amount and sent her packing.
...[/QUOTE]I can see how someone would come to that conclusion based on what I wrote. Or, rather, what I forgot to write. It was such an episodic day and evening, one of the details of that particular episode that I intended to include but see now that I forgot to include was that it was her idea to convert our "1,500 baht for LT" agreement into a ST. After the sex, she took a shower and came out of the bathroom fully dressed and looking for her shoes. She had only been in my room about an hour. And she spent 10 minutes or so of that eating a bowl of sumtam I bought for her from a street vendor on the walk to my room.

So that is why I mentioned just giving her 1,000 baht and "off she went." But I would have concluded the same as you and felt the same way about it based on a detail that did not manage to move from my memory to my final report.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2426519]We have our differences ET over unprotected sex but there is no denying the envy I feel for your drive and stamina. Even in my prime which was quite a while back I had no where near your zeal to get laid. On top I admire your ability to take rejection and disappointment in your stride and carry on regardless to get what you desire and may I say in all honestly just based on the effort alone you put into it what you deserve.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well, thanks for that, Franciscass. I'll be 67 soon and I guess there is an element of wanting to get out there and do it while I still can. What have I got, maybe 10 regular mongering years left tops? And some of those will likely drop down to once a week instead of 4-5 times a week.

Now, an episodic day and night like the one I just reported on was not one of those times when I was driven to get laid my way come hell or high water, although I can see how it might read that way. If it had been I would have gone about things differently.

It was really just one of those days where I had nothing else to do so thought I would check out the massage shop girl's deal, then I happened to be walking past Thermae on my way back to my apartment later that night so I popped in just to watch the parade, then out on the street and oh, here's a new FL I'd never seen before grabbing my arm and so on.

I love times like that where it doesn't really matter how things turn out, not much money is on the line, just seeing if there is anything worth my time here and there. Of course, that is a luxury expats who live here can enjoy more than when you have spent serious money to fly here and back, rent a hotel room, devoted precious vacation days to it and all of that as most do.

[QUOTE=OlJoh;2426515]On TF I met a girl called Sunisa. Tiny girl about 38 kg. Age given as 35 but Probably older. She quoted 2 K ST and 3 K LT. Liked what I saw from the pictures and after chatting for a few days took the chance on LT at my condo. She was super excited about that and after a beer to relax her a bit she did everything possible to please me and all holes were available BBFS. She fell asleep with my dick in her mouth and woke me up next morning with a wonderful blowjob. I had assumed that she would be on her way after breakfast but somehow she made no attempts to leave and as it was a Sunday we went straight back to bed where we stayed for the rest of the day. She left Monday morning when I had to get ready for work. Gave her the agreed 3 K which she was happy with and asked when she could see me again. Subsequently she came back a couple of nights over the following weeks but I had to cut the cord since she was becoming clingy and suggested of moving in, haha.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Do you maybe know the TF username of this girl?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2426594]

I love times like that where it doesn't really matter how things turn out, not much money is on the line, just seeing if there is anything worth my time here and there. Of course, that is a luxury expats who live here can enjoy more than when you have spent serious money to fly here and back, rent a hotel room, devoted precious vacation days to it and all of that as most do.[/QUOTE]You are spot on there, one of the big issues in the current environment is that at this price level and with time restraints it's much more difficult for tourists. Even at my level of 3-4 trips a year so around a 4-6 weeks in country total it's still difficult to give up those precious days with no action. I have my group of regulars but of course that pool needs constantly refreshed due to their disappearance or getting lazy and not performing. THe advantage however is that even on the duds in the recruitment process I still know tomorrow I can have a winner in one of my regulars. So far I haven't managed any regulars that didn't come out of gogos, which granted are my prime hunting ground so percentage wise that follows. However of all the thermae girls ever taken only 2 were repeats and neither worth a 3rd attempt. I have had some regular massage girls out of SW over the years and woodbar, but only regulars at the shop never outside. However at current prices you are committing on average 4 k each attempt (average of gogo ST, thermae, gogo LT, +drinks and assorted costs). That's not an inexpensive number when you may at best be getting 1/5 worth repeating. Don't get me wrong I fully concur with Goat that this is bad value for the same thai ass that used to go for 1 k, but coming even from an average sized US city where an hour GFE 1-2 shots is going to run $300 USD this is still more affordable and with many more options to shop from. To a degree the market is similar to when I lived in Vegas. A local can go to the casino and make his nut in 5 minutes and walk away cash in hand, but a tourist who wins in 5 minutes always ends up giving it back, they just don't have the option to wait until tomorrow and they end up back at the tables.

I am guilty as charged at not holding the girls up to higher standard and in all my years only kicked out 2 girls with 500-1 k baht after they total dissapointed. Problem is I am always on my precious vacation days and when I consider the greater loss its the time and not the money. I have improved over the years on refining selection and become a lot pickier so my success rate is higher but it is difficult to hold them to the standard I should.

[QUOTE=CrazyMan;2426455]Hello EihTooms,

I think you will have to wait two or three more months before the girls around Asia start to get really desperate and start to lower their prices and up their services. First the Chinese stopped coming. Now Koreans and Japanese have started to cancel en masse. Other Asians from other nearby countries are also starting to reconsider traveling. Europeans are less likely to come to Asia for their holidays later this year.

It will take a few more months but the dominoes are starting to fall slowly and this will accelerate in the coming months. If as a business or person you depend on income from tourism you will be in big trouble. Thailand and most SE and E Asian countries will have one of their worst years in a long time. It will be a buyers market in a few months.[/QUOTE]I am not sure it will get there in thailand. One of my most disappointing thai trips was shortly after the king passed. I hesitated on going but thought with all the earlier closures and tourist numbers down the supply and demand curves would work in my favor, total fail. Selection wasn't a problem at all, but there was movement at all on prices or service. In fact in a lot of ways I think it was worse since with the bars closing at midnight I was there at close and the girls wouldn't negotiate worth a shit, not even on 500 thb. Due to the shortened hours they pushed drinks heavy and then got all sorts of pushbacks, only ST, only NANA hotels, wouldn't come down from 3 k to 2500, list goes on. It was all in all just annoying and got on my nerves, probably went home alone more than any other trip. I think it was best explained as thai economics. Instead of the normal supply and demand curves as demand falls prices go up since the girl is only going to get 1 customer every 3-5 days instead of 1 every day and treats her pussy as a resource that is going to wear out and can be held for future use. We all know that age and that missed night is one less in their total working life to earn, but that just isn't the thai mindset.

Where I would expect to see it is in the part timers first since they are more tuned into earning now since it can't be earned tomorrow, so maybe the FL, wechat, and thermae part timers will see the opportunity first.

I am coming back and was wondering if anyone knows of any lactating or pregnant providers?

We all have our kinks.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2426941]I am not sure it will get there in thailand. One of my most disappointing thai trips was shortly after the king passed. I hesitated on going but thought with all the earlier closures and tourist numbers down the supply and demand curves would work in my favor, total fail. Selection wasn't a problem at all, but there was movement at all on prices or service. In fact in a lot of ways I think it was worse since with the bars closing at midnight I was there at close and the girls wouldn't negotiate worth a shit, not even on 500 thb. Due to the shortened hours they pushed drinks heavy and then got all sorts of pushbacks, only ST, only NANA hotels, wouldn't come down from 3 k to 2500, list goes on. It was all in all just annoying and got on my nerves, probably went home alone more than any other trip. I think it was best explained as thai economics. Instead of the normal supply and demand curves as demand falls prices go up since the girl is only going to get 1 customer every 3-5 days instead of 1 every day and treats her pussy as a resource that is going to wear out and can be held for future use. We all know that age and that missed night is one less in their total working life to earn, but that just isn't the thai mindset.

Where I would expect to see it is in the part timers first since they are more tuned into earning now since it can't be earned tomorrow, so maybe the FL, wechat, and thermae part timers will see the opportunity first.[/QUOTE]Interesting observation and I share it. I was here before and after the King died and I did not notice one iota of improvement in the Value For Money ratio while doom, gloom and lower punter traffic prevailed for many months, even years.

I sometimes seriously wonder if any but a tiny fraction of these girls are in the P4P business for the usual storied reasons of "desperation" for financial support, milk for their babies, get mom out of the hospital, blah, blah, blah. I don't mean anyone should ever have taken that crap literally. But even as a tale for them to tell as a substitute for any other serious reasons for going the P4P route, it just doesn't add up.

By now I have heard hundreds if not thousands of "I must have (fill in the baht amount here) tomorrow or I'll die! Please, can I come see you today??" stories and variations of them. I used to work out ways to help IF this and that happened with no greater rate of memorable success in the bed at crunch time than I get with the girls who are so busy with customers it takes days for them to return a Line message.

And, of course, now that I almost never respond to those pleas of "tomorrow I will die!" anymore, every one of those "desperate" girls, old repeats and new contacts alike, are still alive and kicking days later, no reports of their death, starved babies, moms prevented from leaving hospitals for lack of payment or anything of the kind. No, they show up again just as before, no change in their life or routine, seemingly well fed and taken care of and no memory of me having casually chosen their death over seeing them for a P4P fuck and suck several days earlier.

Maybe this time it will be different. Eventually. But I am not planning on it and would honestly be shocked if it was.

The only difference I have seen or noticed so far after a few weeks of coronavirus hysteria downturn is Thai street girls bothering to engage in conversation a tad longer than usual with certain heretofore ethnic undesirables to them and a slight uptick in the number of "Hi. How are you?" Line messages I'm getting from my regulars.

But in no case in my experience at least are agreements to do more, do better and/or for less money being made either on the street, in the bars or among my regulars. Not in Thailand, that is. Not yet anyway.

Speaking of Thermae, was there tonight around closing time. It was quite dead.

Was fortunate enough to see my one girl in her usual spot at the usual time.

We went out, caught up on missed times, grabbed some food on the street, came back to room, talked some more.

And then she did what she does so well, which is taking care of little Catire.

Also told me some fascinating stories about her Japanese and Korean clientele, as I am her only farang.

The stories are quite interesting. E. g. Difference between generations. Difference between Korean and Japanese customers.

Oh and BTW. Japanese schlongs are apparently bigger these days.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2427045]Not in Thailand, that is. Not yet anyway.[/QUOTE]Right, but for prices to fall significantly a lot more would have to occur. For example: the pandemic doomsday scenario in which hundreds of thousands if not millions die would certainly be enough to affect price and attitudes in an eventually very positive and significant way from the surviving consumer's point of view. The aftermath of WW II is a perfect example. Berlin Pussy in the summer of 1945 was equal to the price of a Hershey's chocolate bar, but it took the total destruction of the Third Reich and 60 million dead in Europe to get there. So far with only 79,000 reported cases and 2,470 deaths, the vast majority in China; the Bat Virus is small potatoes compared to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 which infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims. I post these historical facts only to give the current situation a little perspective. Sure, there is some softening demand in Thailand for hotel rooms and pussy, I have seen some deals on the hotel reservation sites and it is interesting to note which hotels are offering the discounts like the Grande Center Point T21 which usually has a great many Chinese and Korean guests and which hotels are not offering any significant discounts like the nearby Hyatt Regency.

All I am saying is that while the Coronavirus is real and commands our serious attention, it is not a disaster or pandemic yet for any country except maybe China. For sure it has affected international travel, but not to the point where we are going to see a huge drop in the price of BKK girls. At least not yet. So far there has only been 35 reported cases in Thailand and no new cases in at least a week or 10 days which is pretty damn good news actually. So I think what you might see right now is more, better availability not doom and gloom. Hey guys on the ground: how busy are the Go Go's and FL nightclubs currently? Full, busy but not full, half empty, or empty. From what my girls are telling me, I believe the Go Go's are somewhat busy, but not anywhere close to full capacity. Kind of like low season.

In any case, let's see how this thing plays out. If the virus starts to multiply exponentially, BKK will become a ghost town and more significantly the Government will close it down. The girls will be afraid to go out to the bars and so will we. But, I think we are a long way off from that. Anyway, I have my fingers crossed and We shall see what we shall see.

Girls know the price level to pitch to get business for example i2500 at Thermae. I know I know you can negotiate but that's the going rate. So what happens when because there are fewer punters to go around more girls are going home empty handed more often. Do they stick to the 2500 until things get back to normal or do a sufficient number break ranks and reduce it to say 2000 or even 1500 to hook a trick? I feel it comes down to how badly they need the money. If the rent is overdue will she turn down 1500 knowing only the more in demand girls can score at 2500. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Another facet of the situation is whether service levels will improve when there are fewer customers in that the girls will realize repeat business becomes more important. As an aside we haven't seen the worst of this virus yet. Over the weekend South Korea Italy and the UK have come into play in a major way. Personally while I don't wear a mask I have never washed my hands more often.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2427059]
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Hey guys on the ground: how busy are the Go Go's and FL nightclubs currently? Full, busy but not full, half empty, or empty. From what my girls are telling me, I believe the Go Go's are somewhat busy, but not anywhere close to full capacity. Kind of like low season.
...[/QUOTE]Regarding the go-go bar scene, as of this past weekend your girls' assessment is the same as my assessment. Lately, I have gone into Billboard, Butterflies, Geisha Bar, Mandarin, Angelwitch, Kazy Kozy, Tilac, Baccara and several beer bars as well and typical low season is about right.

I would also say I have not felt any more welcome, needed, catered to, noticed or flirted with than usual by the girls working in the bars. If the prospect of unpaid rent or empty rice bowls is hanging like a dark cloud over their heads I saw no evidence of concern about it in their eyes or behavior.

[QUOTE=Catire;2427053]...
The stories are quite interesting. E. g. Difference between generations. Difference between Korean and Japanese customers.

Oh and BTW. Japanese schlongs are apparently bigger these days.[/QUOTE]Oh, that's probably the result of price inflation over the years. As a matter of basic economic principles it had to go from 3-3-3 to 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 eventually. 😁

I'll bet they're taking longer to finish, too, right?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2427172]Oh, that's probably the result of price inflation over the years. As a matter of basic economic principles it had to go from 3-3-3 to 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 eventually. 😁

I'll bet they're taking longer to finish, too, right?[/QUOTE]Well, since they are harmless and just one woman's opinion or personal experience I'll share what she said. BTW, don't kill the messenger, I have no skin in the game.

First she said she will not go with any old Korean or Japanese man (which she defines as over 60). I asked why. She said it is because that generation of men treats women like shit. And will do "whatever they want with / to them". The younger and middle aged men aren't like that (I found this a very interesting, and probably truthful, in a generalizing kind of way, anecdote).

She said she prefers Koreans as customers because they are straightforward. They don't like you, they don't like you whereas a Japanese will tell you "you are beautiful, gorgeous, etc all the while having no intent to take the girl" . This jives with my own knowledge of the culture in the two countries. Japanese are impeccably polite and stridently avoid saying "no", while all the while meaning to tell you no. You have to know how they play the game to pic up on the cues. Koreans indeed aren't like that, they will be upfront.

She also likes Koreans because once they are done they roll over and go to sleep and don't bother you. (apparently from LT episodes) whereas many Japanese will caress her, rub her nipples, pussy, etc non stop until she literally gets sore LOL. (I told her, hey, men can be fascinated by female bodies, etc) and the Japanese will try whisper "sweet nothings" into her ear. Or lick her all over by the ears (by itself not that disgusting, often nice IMO< but she said often too much saliva. Gross) (and she mentioned old men's saliva often stinks. I mentioned it had to be halitocis).

The Japanese also seem to have quite the fascination with "accessories" . Dildos, plugs, you name it and want to use them on her. Which annoys her or she refuses because she has her own toys and knows her own body and can get herself off if / when she wants to.

And apparently Japanese tools are getting bigger / longer these days, while the Korean ones remain umm. "lagging".

No mention of Chinese, perhaps she doesn't go with them or very rarely.

She's MILF age now, and has a kid, but that pussy is so goddamn tight. Our reproductive organs seem to "fit" each other well and enjoy each other's company. So whereas she may be happy when another guy is done in 30 secs, she won't let me stop until she has come (especially once she; s close, then it's a real battle, as she goes crazy with her thrusting and licking, making it very difficult for me to hold off myself).

So for me, a Thermae gold mine, for almost everyone else, perhaps a pleasant experience at best. (and I am sure it would be vice versa, your pornstar might be my dud. Just goes to show you how YMMV).

Re taking longer to finish. Apparently with a significant percentage of customers it's "finish right away" . Which causes them to sheepishly apologize, and explain that they had not had sex in a long time. I told her about the stories of sexless marriages and relationships that I read all about in Japan these days, though an Asian friend strenuously disagrees with those stories, etc.

With the shellacking the markets took today even the high rollers might be keeping their wallets in their pockets this evening and visiting Mrs. Palm and her five fingers instead.

Coronavirus has certainly brought down the number of tourists and mongers by perhaps as much as 50% but neither the prices nor anything else has dropped. Hotels and girls still want same amount.

However what shocked me this time was the near complete disappearance of free lancers on Sukumvit road. I always loved to pick one or two girls from there but it was unbelievable this time. There were no more than 10 fuglies between asok and nana. That's it.

Just 10. I noticed decline from 200-300 to 1 bout 50-60 but ten? Nana area had some concentration of WGs around 9-10 pm, about 30-40 may be on.

Thursday but surprisingly numbers were down dramatically on Fri. And sat night. Beer garden was hopeless, tried several times. There were a total of two girls in front of grace hotel when I checked late in the evening. Good lord, what has happened to this place.

This is the first time I have to admit that I don't see any point in traveling to the other side of the world if this is what \Bangkok is going to become. I was extremely disappointed. Pattaya was much better and the saving grace.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2427237]Coronavirus has certainly brought down the number of tourists and mongers by perhaps as much as 50% but neither the prices nor anything else has dropped. Hotels and girls still want same amount.

However what shocked me this time was the near complete disappearance of free lancers on Sukumvit road. I always loved to pick one or two girls from there but it was unbelievable this time. There were no more than 10 fuglies between asok and nana. That's it.

Just 10. I noticed decline from 200-300 to 1 bout 50-60 but ten? Nana area had some concentration of WGs around 9-10 pm, about 30-40 may be on.

Thursday but surprisingly numbers were down dramatically on Fri. And sat night. Beer garden was hopeless, tried several times. There were a total of two girls in front of grace hotel when I checked late in the evening. Good lord, what has happened to this place.

This is the first time I have to admit that I don't see any point in traveling to the other side of the world if this is what \Bangkok is going to become. I was extremely disappointed. Pattaya was much better and the saving grace.[/QUOTE]My hotel price was definitely down a bit. And I believe my airfare was a little lower as well which is what made it an easy decision to come when afforded the opportunity.

As to how Thai working girls and business establishments, especially ones related to P4 P (cannot comment on streetwalkers) react to dips in demand, you have not been reading about Thailand for long enough to have learned the old adage "T. I. T" (This is Thailand) which teaches the readers that the Thai concept of logic on how to react with lower demand doesn't correlate with what they teach you in Econ 101.

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/features/night-prowl-legendary-lechery-bernard-nite-owl-trink/

[QUOTE=Margaya;2427237]Coronavirus has certainly brought down the number of tourists and mongers by perhaps as much as 50% but neither the prices nor anything else has dropped. Hotels and girls still want same amount.

However what shocked me this time was the near complete disappearance of free lancers on Sukumvit road. I always loved to pick one or two girls from there but it was unbelievable this time. There were no more than 10 fuglies between asok and nana. That's it.

Just 10. I noticed decline from 200-300 to 1 bout 50-60 but ten? Nana area had some concentration of WGs around 9-10 pm, about 30-40 may be on.

Thursday but surprisingly numbers were down dramatically on Fri. And sat night. Beer garden was hopeless, tried several times. There were a total of two girls in front of grace hotel when I checked late in the evening. Good lord, what has happened to this place.

This is the first time I have to admit that I don't see any point in traveling to the other side of the world if this is what \Bangkok is going to become. I was extremely disappointed. Pattaya was much better and the saving grace.[/QUOTE]Street action has been reduced lately for sure. Two nights ago about 8:30 pm I saw no Vietnamese girls or more than 2-3 Thai girls on Soi 4 in front of Hillary 1 bar.

On the other hand, contrary to some reports, on my visit to Thermae last Friday or Saturday night (I forget which now) about 10:30 pm, the place was packed with girls and the usual mostly Asian customers.

One other observation: I still see the same 8-10 girls standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign that we have all seen standing there afternoon and evenings for the past few years. They must come in contact with more tourists and expats, intimately and just close enough to be touched and breathed on than healthcare workers come in contact with demonstrably sick patients.

Yet, there they are day after day, night after night, hail, hearty, healthy, smiling and reaching out to passersby same as always.

Empirical evidence that the risk in this environment is less than most think? Are these little troupers our inadvertent canaries in the coal mine? Time will tell.

[QUOTE=Catire;2427053]Oh and BTW. Japanese schlongs are apparently bigger these days.[/QUOTE]If that's true, they don't have those guys starring in their pornos. I watch Japanese porn a lot. The dudes have tiny dicks.

Not only Asians spreading the germs. Looks like Iran is spreading the virus. "Canada, Lebanon, and today also Kuwait, Oman, and Iraq, have all confirmed cases of travelers from Iran. " There have been reports of Iran having over 50 deaths but the country says it's only 12 to date. AFAIK lots of Iranians go to Thailand.

Italy has also passed all the Asian countries with cases, other than China and South Korea.

Most importantly, the Thailand Tourism Minister said there will be no more virus after Songkran as the hot weather will blow the virus away.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2427479]If that's true, they don't have those guys starring in their pornos. I watch Japanese porn a lot. The dudes have tiny dicks.[/QUOTE]Perhaps the Japanese have other qualities in mind when choosing porn cocks beyond just size? Aesthetics, symmetry, etc? .

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[QUOTE=Francesco24;2426897]Hi,

Do you maybe know the TF username of this girl?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I think it is Sunisa. She is also on Tinder under the same name. On TF she was wearing a leopard print dress in the photo. Cute face with long straight black hair.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2427484]Most importantly, the Thailand Tourism Minister said there will be no more virus after Songkran as the hot weather will blow the virus away.[/QUOTE]Glad he is not the Minister of Health.

[QUOTE=Catire;2427585]Perhaps the Japanese have other qualities in mind when choosing porn cocks beyond just size? Aesthetics, symmetry, etc? .

.[/QUOTE]Actually it is only American girls that like big dicks and possibly Brazilians. Asian girls surely prefer smaller peckers. The smaller the better.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2427808]Actually it is only American girls that like big dicks and possibly Brazilians. Asian girls surely prefer smaller peckers. The smaller the better.[/QUOTE]Vast generalization. There are "size queens" all over, perhaps it's more prevalent among African American women (though I am risking another generalization. But huge schlongs are a signature of Brazilian porn too.

I think women like schlongs that feel "full" to them but not overly so, and certainly none that are painful.

My Thermae girl says my dick is "big" and and I can tell really enjoys how it fills her out, but here's the thing, I am not the slightest bit big, I'm below average. Perhaps it's a slightly bit thicker than "average" hence that's why she has that sensation and is into it. But she also's also quite tight.

btw.. re porn schlongs.. porn is overwhelmingly made for and watched by males. Interesting how American, Brazilian, Russian and Italian/French productions seem particularly fixated on size :D

[QUOTE=Turgid;2427808]...Asian girls surely prefer smaller peckers. The smaller the better.[/QUOTE]Is bullshit. Maybe asian prostitutes like small dicks = less work, but otherwise...

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2427857]Is bullshit. Maybe asian prostitutes like small dicks = less work, but otherwise...[/QUOTE]Agreed. It's about less work. And less wear and tear. If they are with someone they want to be with and like sex, they are not going to be happy with a 5 inch schlong. Most Thai p4p workers these days don't enjoy sex with their customers. Thailand is a very conservative country when it comes to modesty and sex. Being in any way sexual or slutty and you are ostracized. It seems to be far more so now than 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2427857]Is bullshit. Maybe asian prostitutes like small dicks = less work, but otherwise...[/QUOTE]Asian girls like smaller, strong dicks. They always complain about big dicks. I am talking about normal girls. Quite a few bleed because whoever opened their hymen did not open fully and big dick hurts them. These are the common complaints. I lost count of how many times I have explained to the girls next morning after all night fucking why they are bleeding. So I pack lubricant all the time.

Once they have a kid or two they are comfortable with big dicks.

But keeping a normal girl without kids and planning to fuck her lots of times for a few days is a problem. Their pussies gets really sore. They start crying. It is not fun anymore. So maximum I keep them is for 2-3 days.

I think the problem is us. We are on vacation and want to have sex with these girls all the time. With limited time we want the bang for our bucks. This creates the problem with young, slim, small pussy girls.

[QUOTE=Catire;2427585]Perhaps the Japanese have other qualities in mind when choosing porn cocks beyond just size? Aesthetics, symmetry, etc?.[/QUOTE]I doubt it. Those are some of the ugliest dudes I've ever seen.

Hi,

I am interested in Indian Ladys.

I did read anywhere that there is one place with Indian Ladys.

Can anybody help please.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2427864]Agreed. It's about less work. And less wear and tear. If they are with someone they want to be with and like sex, they are not going to be happy with a 5 inch schlong. Most Thai p4p workers these days don't enjoy sex with their customers. Thailand is a very conservative country when it comes to modesty and sex. Being in any way sexual or slutty and you are ostracized. It seems to be far more so now than 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]This is perfectly logical. You have a monetized commodity which you are selling, you want to keep it in best shape and best utility for the longest possible time, ergo, limited wear and tear and full condom protection.

And yes. I would bet most Thai p4 p workers don't enjoy with their customers. Not sure if that's even "these days" . It has probably always been this way.

BUT. A big responsibility in this instance falls back on the monger (s) . For all the talk of a pure economic / commodity exchange, the willing giving of pussy / body is a deeply personal act, sometimes fraught with feelings (unless girl is horny to begin with and then drunk) . You can blame society or religion, etc etc for this but that's how it is for women. For (most) guys it's stick a dick in a hole and release.

I've been able to have really nice sessions with girls by taking my time, letting her feel comfortable. And of course it gets much better with repeat sessions. Some girls will block such attempt no matter what you do, it's risk that goes with the territory.

I do much better in terms of quality of sessions I get now in Thailand than I did back in the day when things were supposedly "better". Certainly cheaper. Maybe it's just me learning the ropes so to speak.

If the girl is horny and likes you and likes to fuck (and a surprising amount of Thai girls do like to fuck I have learned. There is none of this Western religious / societal stigma bullshit) she will like your 5 inches too. That's slightly less than the global average. How big do you think their husband's or BF's dicks are? Just be able to get / stay hard and know how to use it.

[QUOTE=Catire;2428016]
If the girl is horny and likes you and likes to fuck (and a surprising amount of Thai girls do like to fuck I have learned. There is none of this Western religious / societal stigma bullshit) she will like your 5 inches too. That's slightly less than the global average. How big do you think their husband's or BF's dicks are? Just be able to get / stay hard and know how to use it.[/QUOTE]I'm seeing a late 40's bored this lady who is married with two adult children and hopeless thai husband. We fuck every time I see her. No money exchanged. When we fuck, It feels like she's never had a non thai cock in her because my six inches feel like they're going to be snapped off when I get inside her. Cannot possibly fit or stretch. It physically hurts me and her when we meet up after a long time. Yet She cannot stop herself from fucking me, there is an instance bordering sex pest and despite her endless claims of too big too big she has no trouble self lubricating and fucking me senseless.

[QUOTE=Catire;2427841].............btw.. re porn schlongs.. porn is overwhelmingly made for and watched by males...................[/QUOTE]I would not say overwhelmingly, data from Pornhub finds that 24 percent of their worldwide visitors are women.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2428023]I'm seeing a late 40's bored this lady who is married with two adult children and hopeless thai husband. We fuck every time I see her. No money exchanged. When we fuck, It feels like she's never had a non thai cock in her because my six inches feel like they're going to be snapped off when I get inside her. Cannot possibly fit or stretch. It physically hurts me and her when we meet up after a long time. Yet She cannot stop herself from fucking me, there is an instance bordering sex pest and despite her endless claims of too big too big she has no trouble self lubricating and fucking me senseless.[/QUOTE]Men can be divided into two groups, 1, who can will themselves to fuck a 40's married with 2 adult kid woman, who either actually pays for it or who prides themselves for not having to pay for it or 2. Men that expect such 40 yr old women to actually pay the man.

I suppose that's why even PagPag can be sold in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2428052]I would not say overwhelmingly, data from Pornhub finds that 24 percent of their worldwide visitors are women.[/QUOTE]I go to KTV and usually take out one and sometimes two. When I leave my hotel room, I have already hooked up my porn to the TV. I turn it on and leave it play will I am out (create a playlist). That way when I return it is playing and I don't have to fool with getting it started. Some girls really get into it and some don't. I have found it's about 50/50. The more fun girls get into it and are quite wet by the time we have watched and had a couple drinks. Several even have started with a great BJ while watching. Arranging themselves some they could watch while performing.

[QUOTE=Catire;2427841]Vast generalization. There are "size queens" all over, perhaps it's more prevalent among African American women (though I am risking another generalization. But huge schlongs are a signature of Brazilian porn too.

I think women like schlongs that feel "full" to them but not overly so, and certainly none that are painful.

My Thermae girl says my dick is "big" and and I can tell really enjoys how it fills her out, but here's the thing, I am not the slightest bit big, I'm below average. Perhaps it's a slightly bit thicker than "average" hence that's why she has that sensation and is into it. But she also's also quite tight.

btw.. re porn schlongs.. porn is overwhelmingly made for and watched by males. Interesting how American, Brazilian, Russian and Italian/French productions seem particularly fixated on size :D[/QUOTE]My experience in this area is that a longer relationship helps and foreplay of all kinds is really appreciated. Personally I enjoy the girl getting off several times even if occasionally it gets a bit loud. I have only had one Romanian girl and as I am not huge it felt like I was dropping my dick in a large bucket. While a beautiful girl, I felt she could have handled anything I have ever seen in porn video, maybe even two at the same time, but was no pleasure for me.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2428104]I go to KTV and usually take out one and sometimes two. When I leave my hotel room, I have already hooked up my porn to the TV. I turn it on and leave it play will I am out (create a playlist). That way when I return it is playing and I don't have to fool with getting it started. Some girls really get into it and some don't. I have found it's about 50/50. The more fun girls get into it and are quite wet by the time we have watched and had a couple drinks. Several even have started with a great BJ while watching. Arranging themselves some they could watch while performing.[/QUOTE]I remember in the early 1980's I had a girl over to my apartment. I brought out some wine and slapped in a porn video. About half an hour later when we got up the whole half of the loveseat where she was seated was drenched. She was embarrassed.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2428090]Men can be divided into two groups, 1, who can will themselves to fuck a 40's married with 2 adult kid woman, who either actually pays for it or who prides themselves for not having to pay for it or 2. Men that expect such 40 yr old women to actually pay the man.

I suppose that's why even PagPag can be sold in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your contribution. Quite valuable insight into your world. Got anything to share about asian women or is it only good for hating on others. As someone who prefers older women you can have all the vacouos eighteen year Olds you want.

Speaking of porn on TV, I specially carried an HDMI cable during recent trip but both hotels I stayed in had stupid RCA connections only.

Pathetic.

Or Should I carry all in one connection cable next time?

Just want to say Hi and will be joining your area very soon. I'll be reading in the comments to see what I can find. Thanks for all the contributions!

I clearly remember picking up this extremely hot, but equally arrogant Thai girl in Spasso some years ago. After taking a shower I came out of the bathroom naked, to find her lying waiting on the bed.

She look down at my pork sword and said ' Who do you think you're going to please with that?

My answer was simple. ME.

Cheers MS.

I arrived yesterday and this place is over, dead no girls its actually transformed to a tourist place that comes to look. They selling trinks in this place now instead of drinks and sex combination. Nearly zero girls but lets be honest who will come in 2020 to dance on a pole and fuck old man.

I am visiting Thailand for 32 years and living in Pattaya in the last 4 years the all sex industry is dead. However I got a super sexy girl from the street opposite Nana city hotel for 700 bht instead of 1200 bht. I took her Line so next time I will pay 500. Even the hotel upgrade my room at the same price of standard room. Definitely Corona Virus panic has it own advantages.

Also took a tour from nana to asok this transformed to ladyboy dream as a result of lack of girls. Just came from phenom penh Cambodia and there is no comparison, I love to be a tourist in Bangkok so sweet.

Nighttime Sukhumvit Soi 4 is active but Bangkok daytime is dead no one hang around as far as I saw and the Airport is empty. So if you find a girl she will come at nearly any price if you stand your ground and ready to walk away but lets wait to see my second day thoughts.

Speaking of street action. There still appears to be a fair amount on Soi 11. (which is tourist ground zero).

And now that they have remade a part of the soi into a bunch of food courts / and bars, there are girls around those establishments as well.

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2428603]
I am visiting Thailand for 32 years and living in Pattaya in the last 4 years the all sex industry is dead.[/QUOTE]I can't help but chuckle and think about 15 years back when all the usual sexpats were saying that Thailand was going to kill its tourism industry by going more "family friendly", etc.

Today, prior to coronavirus scare, tourism has grown by leaps and bounds, most of it "family friendly" and yes no one really wants to fuck an old man with big beer belly and white hairs on his balls.

But such is life. The quantity of 'Mongering' action is always a one way trend in any country. Down. (unless you have a one in a 50 year economic change/catastrophe, etc such as in Venezuela.)

C'est la vie.

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2428603]Nighttime Sukhumvit Soi 4 is active but Bangkok daytime is dead no one hang around as far as I saw[/QUOTE]I just spent 3 weeks in Bangkok staying at a Sukhumvit soi 4 hotel. After reading your report I decided to quote the only part I can readily agree with. The rest IMO is not representative of the current conditions on the ground. YMMV of course, just trying to keep the intel real for those who rely on it.

SL.

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2428603]I arrived yesterday and this place is over, dead no girls its actually transformed to a tourist place that comes to look.[/QUOTE]You sure you were in nana plaza cause I swear I saw at least 500 girls there in the gogo bars. Also yesterday.

Also at least 50 freelancers outside at 9:30.

I do say that the prices have rocketed since a year ago. 1 k barfine 2500 short time for the gogo's its getting a bit ridiculous.

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2428603]I am visiting Thailand for 32 years and living in Pattaya in the last 4 years the all sex industry is dead.[/QUOTE]Don't know what you do when you're in Pattaya or what you've done in Thailand for 32 years but the sex industry was clearly far from being dead a few month ago, especially in Bangkok or Pattaya.

[QUOTE]However I got a super sexy girl from the street opposite Nana city hotel for 700 bht instead of 1200 bht. I took her Line so next time I will pay 500.[/QUOTE]Let's face reality. If she came for 700 baht it's probably because she doesn't look so sexy to most other mongers. Especially if she agreed for 500 next time.

Or second option is that maybe she is a he.

[QUOTE] took a tour from nana to asok this transformed to ladyboy dream as a result of lack of girls. Just came from phenom penh Cambodia and there is no comparison, I love to be a tourist in Bangkok so sweet.[/QUOTE]Don't know what to think of that. PP was better than Bkk? You've got a lot more options in Bkk.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2428728]
[QUOTE=NmExpert;2428603]
Nighttime Sukhumvit Soi 4 is active but Bangkok daytime is dead no one hang around as far as I saw[/QUOTE]

I just spent 3 weeks in Bangkok staying at a Sukhumvit soi 4 hotel. After reading your report I decided to quote the only part I can readily agree with. The rest IMO is not representative of the current conditions on the ground. YMMV of course, just trying to keep the intel real for those who rely on it.

SL.[/QUOTE]+1 agree.

Nothing else in that report bore any resemblance to what I see and experience every night in that area. Last night around 10pm Soi 4 was packed with girls, many better looking than the usual level of attractiveness for that stroll in the last couple of years. And also packed with tourists, punters.

I did not happen to go into Nana Plaza last night but I would be quite surprised if there were no girls working in the go-go bars then. There sure were hundreds of them in those bars 2-3 nights earlier. And I got Line calls from two very tasty cute 21 and 22 year old dancers from those bars after they closed, around 2:45am, wanting to come over for LT sans barfine, LDs, etc. I didn't think to ask, but I assume they were working in their bars right up until that hour of the night. And not alone.

Last weekend Thermae was packed with girls and customers. Not as packed as I have seen it in the past few months, but there were few places to stop and scan the crowd without being shoulder to shoulder with other people. I will pass through there tonight, so maybe there has been a huge drop in the crowd numbers just this past week.

Of course, these things, our observations on the ground, can and do often change from night to night, hour to hour.

Yes, as always, YMMV

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2428797]+1 agree.

Nothing else in that report bore any resemblance to what I see and experience every night in that area. Last night around 10pm Soi 4 was packed with girls, many better looking than the usual level of attractiveness for that stroll in the last couple of years. And also packed with tourists, punters.

I did not happen to go into Nana Plaza last night but I would be quite surprised if there were no girls working in the go-go bars then. There sure were hundreds of them in those bars 2-3 nights earlier. And I got Line calls from two very tasty cute 21 and 22 year old dancers from those bars after they closed, around 2:45am, wanting to come over for LT sans barfine, LDs, etc. I didn't think to ask, but I assume they were working in their bars right up until that hour of the night. And not alone.

Last weekend Thermae was packed with girls and customers. Not as packed as I have seen it in the past few months, but there were few places to stop and scan the crowd without being shoulder to shoulder with other people. I will pass through there tonight, so maybe there has been a huge drop in the crowd numbers just this past week.

Of course, these things, our observations on the ground, can and do often change from night to night, hour to hour.

Yes, as always, YMMV[/QUOTE]Generally agree based on my observations as well. My Thermae comment / report was on a Sunday night (always a slow night) and right around closing time. When I walked past it a bit earlier on a Tue or something like that. It seemed to have decent foot traffic of girls and Asian customers in and out.

I wish I was in BKK right now. The hyperbole and fear mongering of the situation from the Western Media is simply amazing, but then again it is par for the course and to be expected from these brain dead, overpayed, ass clowns. The truth is the Bat Flu doesn't seem to like the heat. The other truth is the Bat Flu disproportionately attacks and does severe harm to the elderly and people with preexisting health conditions. For strong, active, healthy persons like us sex fanatics it's affects are much less. I still wouldn't like to catch this particular virus, but I think if you take common sense precautions like washing your hands frequently, staying away from individuals who are displaying various flu signs like coughing or sneezing you will be fine. And for example, I plan to avoid the BTS & MRT this time around. I mean for fuck sake: 41 cases in Thailand total (1 new case), the PI 3 cases total (no new cases), Vietnam I6 cases total (no new cases): is this any reason to cancel a trip? I don't think so.

My only concern is that my flight thru Narita might possibly be cancelled. I kind of doubt it will be cancelled, because I think the Japanese are gaining the upper hand on this virus. As of today Japan has only 12 new cases. But we shall see what we shall see. If my flight does get cancelled or the number of new cases in LOS unexpectedly skyrockets, I will make other plans, but until then I am still headed for LOS and can't wait until I get there.

Of course, this is just my opinion. Others are free to disagree and / or change their plans. One more thing, I don't care if my return flight back to the USA in late June is cancelled because I wouldn't mind getting stuck in Thailand for an extra month as long as things are similar to as they are currently on the ground. But the odds of this contagion continuing large into the summer is highly doubtful. As I stated above, the Bat Flu doesn't seem to like the heat.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2428822]I wish I was in BKK right now. The hyperbole and fear mongering of the situation from the Western Media is simply amazing, but then again it is par for the course and to be expected from these brain dead, overpayed, ass clowns. [/QUOTE]It is up to individuals to do their own risk assessments based on the information available. I would question the way numbers are reported for example Italy have a large number 640+ compared to closer geographical countries. It depends on whether you trust the information being fed to you.

People are making decisions based on having already got flights booked and the financial impact. I don't have a flight booked and think I will sit and watch a while, as I say individuals choice.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2428825]I would question the way numbers are reported for example Italy have a large number 640+ compared to closer geographical countries. It depends on whether you trust the information being fed to you.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

The 41 cases in Thailand is admitted for a while.

It sounds not very realistic that this number didn't go up since it's been already admitted a few weeks ago.

As for the other countries such Vietnam (16 cases only), it doesn't seem realistic either.

Cambodia admitted only 1 case. It's a joke considering the amount of Chinese people going there for business or holidays for years and the level of healthcare there.

It took only one guy to pass it to all these Italians very quickly.

Posing as customers immigration rounded up a bunch of Viet lasses and some Africans on Soi 4.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2427484] the Thailand Tourism Minister said there will be no more virus after Songkran as the hot weather will blow the virus away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2428822]As I stated above, the Bat Flu doesn't seem to like the heat.[/QUOTE]Wow didn't know that. Guess there was something factual to the Thailand Tourism Minister's statement.

No one will ever know the true count of cases. Countries will report what they want to report.

That solo Italian guy really did a number on Italy and we will see the numbers throughout Europe rise because of a single guy. The Iranians are doing a pretty good job too spreading the virus around the world from New Zealand to Canada.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2428822]As I stated above, the Bat Flu doesn't seem to like the heat.[/QUOTE]I haven't read anything about Bat Flu and heat. Hope you're right. The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits. Also some sick people aren't getting medical help due to fear of being isolated by friends and family.

Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?

[QUOTE=Allover;2428913]Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?[/QUOTE]OMG too funny. Would be worth quite a bit on Pantip.

[QUOTE=Allover;2428913]I haven't read anything about Bat Flu and heat. Hope you're right. The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits. Also some sick people aren't getting medical help due to fear of being isolated by friends and family.

Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?[/QUOTE]What ever you decide to do ie visit LOS or put it off for a while, Don't Sell Your Stocks. This is a long overdue market correction. I am now looking to buy certain quality stocks a little bit at a time. There are always opportunities when there is blood on the street.

Now if I die from the Bat Flu at least I will have died for a good cause, Poontang, but sorry, I think I will have my Line Address Book auctioned off on Ebay and the proceeds distributed amongst my favorite girls provided they show up at my funeral and put on a good show. I want a lot of tears and testimonials and then afterwards one hell of a good farewell party.

I am really worried about a future Bangkok with almost no freelancers on street. FLs are usually dirt cheap due to a variety of reasons and their, almost, complete disappearance, from asok to nana is an extreme concern.

The takeouts from massage shops become expensive if one orders two a day. Ditto with bar girls. Freelancers used to be pretty good "fillers" and sometimes offered only chance to snag an amateur.

During my recent visit, the street scene was totally dead in Bangkok. Some of it could be attributed to corona and dearth of tourists, some to increased LE activity in Bangkok and Pattaya that I witnessed personally.

I wonder if there are any alternatives that can fill the void.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2428941]I am really worried about a future Bangkok with almost no freelancers on street. .[/QUOTE]My yesterday statistics from Soi 4, half LB plus a few super expired and 4 black ugly girls. This is the trigger for me to move back to Pattaya.

My normal MO is first day, visit SOL to get the rust removed from the pipes. Last year, found a very good looker, great service. Definitely worth a repeat visit.

But having read on a couple of Best BJ bar blogs about "the World" near SOL, I'd never heard of it despite decades of visits. Determined to check it out. Now I knew if I stopped at SOL, last year's fav would no doubt not be there, but its gravitational pull too much for me to resist. So instead of turning right past Foodland, headed straight, up the stairs, to the 2nd floor (1 floor above ground). Nothing immediate, so walked along the landing, and down near the end, furthest from Foodland, saw the "World" on a door (or window, forget which, but noticable). Unsure if it was open or closed, but when I approached the door, a lady appeared from outside, opening the door for me. Stepped in to a lit bar, obviously seen better days. Couple of girls inside, including the one who'd opened the door for me.

Having read prices were [I]variable[/I], asked the price of a Singha. "150". "No thanks. " "OK, for you 100". "Fine, 1 Singha please. ".

As usual, a girl on each side, [I]Lefty[/I] rubbing my shoulders, [I]Righty[/I] my crotch. In the light, mentally dismissed [I]Lefty[/I], [I]r\Righty[/I] MAYBE a possible. First thing, A/C turned on. Great. 2nd, lights dimmed, well past subtle, down to "where's my headlamp" dim. OK, reasonable, as the girls are not the cutest. 3rd, tape started. Eagles. Fantastic, my type of music.

[I]Righty[/I] continued with the crotch rubbing, saying that a room was available for BJ's. I was mentally debating, thinking about SOL potential. Perhaps sensing my hesitation, [I]Righty[/I] pulls up her shirt and bra, reavealing a nice rack with nice nipples. Nothing major, but certainly compelling enough to let SOL thoughts disappear. "How much?" "1000. " "No thanks. " "OK, for you, discount, 900. " Now, I KNOW that is above market rate, but, some quick mental calculations, SOL=700+200 tip; the World=900 includes tip. Same end result: 1000 baht for beer and BJ.

Move to couch, I drop trou, she goes topless, then pulls off bottoms, kneeling in front of me. Decent BJ, and with some helpful pointers of the techniques I enjoy, enjoyable. Not SOL enjoyable, but... Enough for a "been there, done that". After some effort by her, blastoff, CIM achieved. Unlike SOL, no box of tissue at her side. She gets every last drop, NO instant disconnect, but runs to the bathroom to spit in sink, gargle, spit in sink, gargle, etc. Comes back, I pull up trou, pay and off I go.

Pass by SOL. Ask about Mam, last year's fav. As expected, "she no longer work here". Checked out the available ladies outside, nothing appealing.

WIR: another visit to SOL. Checked out the front ladies, NOTHING to [I]stir[/I] my [I]interest[/I]. Back up to the World. Walked inside, same lady from first time there. Same MO, A/C on, lights [B]DIMMED[/B], music on (Tina Turner. Yes, thank you), though no discussion of price. Fan positioned for quick cooling while the A/C cranks up. Same couch service, just went directly there. Same service type, decent BJ, though no SOL super technique, same no tissue box, get up, go to toilet, spit in sink, gargle, spit, gargle, spit. Perhaps tissue an unnecessary expense for the girl.

So, will the World replace SOL? Hardly, but certainly an alternate possibility to provide service if SOL is devoid of [I]attractions[/I]. Music is certainly enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Allover;2428913]I haven't read anything about Bat Flu and heat. Hope you're right. The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits. Also some sick people aren't getting medical help due to fear of being isolated by friends and family.

Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?[/QUOTE]The connection had occurred to me as well. Northern China, Korea, Northern Italy, Iran. Those places are now experiencing winter. Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, South America, astonishingly few cases.

[QUOTE=Allover;2428913]The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering [/QUOTE]An expected first quarter contraction in China, a possible global recession, massive supply chain disruption, a real issue with the global spread of Covid-19 resulting in changes in consumer behavior re travel eating out shopping etc, the Trump dodo press conference after returning from Indian, these are the main causes of the global slump in stocks. Blaming the media while I agree they love the drama especially the popular tabloid press and while a popular chant especially among populist politicians seeking reelection is in my humble opinion unfair. I agree with the notion the slump provides buying opportunities, here timing is the key, I unfortunately didn't see the magnitude of the sell off and started buying too early but I'm still buying. As the saying goes "this too shall pass".

[QUOTE=Catire;2428810]Generally agree based on my observations as well. My Thermae comment / report was on a Sunday night (always a slow night) and right around closing time. When I walked past it a bit earlier on a Tue or something like that. It seemed to have decent foot traffic of girls and Asian customers in and out.[/QUOTE]I passed through Thermae twice last night, once at around 9:30pm and again around 2am. I am usually not out and about, dropping into Thermae and all that at 2am, so I don't know how it compares to recent times. But my observation at 2am on this Friday night is the same as yours was for last Sunday night; there were very few girls and customers in the place at that hour. Very slim pickins.

However, at 9:30pm last night, it was filled with girls and customers. Waves of them, just like usual at that hour if not more than usual. Now, here is the bad part for any Farangs thinking this coronavirus hysteria has loosened the youngest and best looking Thermae girls' grip on responding exclusively to Asian punters. And, again, this is only from MY experience. But at 9:30pm I went in there as pleasant, polite, smiling, happy, with as warm and welcoming a "sawadee krup" at the ready as I have ever had, looking pretty damn good for a somewhat elderly Farang I might say. And the cold shoulder from the better looking girls was every bit as bad as it has ever been. Very, very cold cold shoulder for this Farang. With girls I'd never seen or talked to before, new encounters.

In fact, was it my imagination, or was the cold shoulder from the better looking Thermae girls for this Farang last night WORSE than it has ever been? Unfortunately, I kind of think it was. A possibility: Has our Farang penchant for wanting, sometimes even negotiating for and expecting, DFK put us on a an even stronger "Avoid" list with these better looking Thermae girls in a Coronavirus World? I wonder. One might think Farangs would rise a step or two on the ladder of preference for these better looking girls at a time when a potentially deadly flu is more associated with Asians than Farangs. Nope. Not by my observation and experience last night. Just the opposite. Oh, I got smiles and responses from a few fairly good looking girls in the place. But very few.

Otherwise, Soi 4 was hopping busy with girls and customers at around 9:45pm last night and again at 2am. Nana Plaza itself was a bit slower at 9:45pm and 2am. At least in the open plaza part of it. I did not have time to go inside the bars. But there were certainly plenty of door girls and girls sitting outside the bars to confirm there were indeed a lot of girls working in the bars last night.

Yes, there were little to no signs of Vietnamese girls in their usual station in front of Hillary 1 Bar at 9:45pm. Presumably due to the recent foreign worker sweep in that area. But a few of them were still working the area on the other side of Soi 4 in front of Hillary 2 and thereabouts. Also several African girls sitting at tables along that stretch.

[QUOTE=XXL;2429037]The connection had occurred to me as well. Northern China, Korea, Northern Italy, Iran. Those places are now experiencing winter. Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, South America, astonishingly few cases.[/QUOTE]I read that it is not heat that will kill the virus. It has something to do with the immune system being more efficient when body temperature is higher.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2428860]Posing as customers immigration rounded up a bunch of Viet lasses and some Africans on Soi 4.[/QUOTE]Girls had to be really fucking stupid. How many Thai men will be customers on Soi 4? ZERO.

So if I'm a girl I avoid all Thai men and do not talk to any of them.

Of course if they just pulled up and said show me your papers, different story.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2428941]I am really worried about a future Bangkok with almost no freelancers on street. FLs are usually dirt cheap due to a variety of reasons and their, almost, complete disappearance, from asok to nana is an extreme concern.

The takeouts from massage shops become expensive if one orders two a day. Ditto with bar girls. Freelancers used to be pretty good "fillers" and sometimes offered only chance to snag an amateur.

During my recent visit, the street scene was totally dead in Bangkok. Some of it could be attributed to corona and dearth of tourists, some to increased LE activity in Bangkok and Pattaya that I witnessed personally.

I wonder if there are any alternatives that can fill the void.[/QUOTE]Explore the world of the Internet, and social media.

Was out at Chatuchak market, both last Saturday and this Saturday. Still hot, but the crowds are really DOWN. Now, mostly foreigners, very few Thais. Certainly bad news for the businesses there, but does make it a lot EASIER to get around.

If taking the Metro, don't do like all the newbies and get off at Chatuchak Park stop. Today, watched most get off at the Chatuchak Park stop. Wait until the next stop, Kamphaeng Phet. That lets you off basically inside the market, at the edge by section 26, the handicrafts section. Walk outside the metro entrance, and you're inside the market. Makes it easy for me to find my "start point", the Viva Bar26. Great place for a drink, both coming and going. Been stopping there for 20+ years. It's my reference point for my inertial navigation to other shops I know. I've learned to get business cards from the shops I buy from so that, in the future, easier to find, rather than having to do a grid search of the old days.

[QUOTE=Catire;2429154]Girls had to be really fucking stupid. How many Thai men will be customers on Soi 4? ZERO.

So if I'm a girl I avoid all Thai men and do not talk to any of them.

Of course if they just pulled up and said show me your papers, different story.[/QUOTE]They use tourist police or foreigners. In Pattaya a group of black girls were lured by Indians posing as customers. Scums.

[QUOTE=Catire;2429154]Girls had to be really fucking stupid. How many Thai men will be customers on Soi 4? ZERO.

So if I'm a girl I avoid all Thai men and do not talk to any of them.

Of course if they just pulled up and said show me your papers, different story.[/QUOTE]I agree with you to an extent, they would have most likely tapped the foreign working one way or another, I was just passing on the reported m. O. Sting, maybe true maybe not. End result still the same, as earlier report Viet girls not around any more.

[QUOTE=Allover;2428913]The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits.[/QUOTE]Actually you're doing the scare mongering job yourself. There's no "testing kit".

The test is a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (rt-pcr). To simplify, a sample is taken in a sterile receptacle (cotton swab, spit in the jar, whatever) and chemicals are applied to (a) turn any RNA (single strand) from a virus present into DNA (the Watson-Crick double helix) and (b) multiplying the results hugely.

This is then analysed in a genetic sequencing machine (96 sample, 1 hour turnaround time was around $20,000 last time I checked and it is quite likely the same bit of kit which does your teerak's HIV test. So widely available in hospitals, clinics and universities, even in Thailand, although I cannot vouch for backwards regimes like California) which looks for a specific block of genetic code believed to be unique to the virus.

Or maybe California has run out of cotton swabs, test tubes and jars?

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2428990]My yesterday statistics from Soi 4, half LB plus a few super expired and 4 black ugly girls.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Pattaya.

A 4-5 day fast (water only) resets the immune system (see Valter Longo et al UCLA and lots of peer reviewed work). Literally renews immune system with brand new undamaged cells. Been doing it every 6 months last few years, good objective results on skin smoothness and energy. It also creates a raging teenage boner after you come off the fast and feed up for months afterwards. I'm old enough to have some grey hair, but I gave gave some girls a solid pounding. They were not expecting a fence post in my pants or up for it again 30 minutes later.

I much prefer a selection of varied young women to cavort with than some ageing, whining and nagging old American / Western cows past it. Just love the Thai girls giggling as cum drips out their pretty little mouths, genuinely happy and amazed they have such power over the male species and the attention they get. 1000 baht for such a sight in the mirror works for me! Sex is life and joy itself. Those opposing P4P have deep agendas that boils down reproduction of economic units (for exploitation by stakeholders, church, state, business or as canon fodder) or a lifelong meal ticket for women after they hit the wall at 35 or so. Say no the feminist put option and buy on the spot market.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2429403]A 4-5 day fast (water only) [/QUOTE]Full 5 days with nothing but water? That seems extreme! Or do you mean intermittent fasting?

Damn its sad to read the reports about Bangkok, meanwhile I've been slamming the hotties here in Siem Reap. Guess I got out of BKK just in time.

[QUOTE=MerZues;2429431]Full 5 days with nothing but water? That seems extreme! Or do you mean intermittent fasting?[/QUOTE]The five day water only fast is actually the best way to start a real, ketosis inducing intermittent fasting protocol. I've experienced the health benefits and bright clarity of mind doing the fast over two months, and it was outstanding.

I also found my athletic performance either stayed the same or improved. In other words, no drop off. Sadly, I didn't accompany these two months with any of my 20 ish or 30 ish THAI lovelies so can't vouch for sexual performance on the diet.

Watching Bangkok news last night. 35 year old in Bangkok is the first Thailand death due to the coronavirus. My Thai isn't good enough to know if he had any pre existing conditions.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2429088]I read that it is not heat that will kill the virus. It has something to do with the immune system being more efficient when body temperature is higher.[/QUOTE]Most virus thrive in cold weather. This is not to say cold virus does not infect people in hot countries. There are several factors why we get flu vaccine in the fall to protect us in winter. Hot weather makes us feel good and immunity is higher. Phlegm does not stay in your lungs in hot weather. They liquify and comes out not doing any damage to lungs.

But this corona virus is hard to figure out. Causes lots of damage to older people with underlying conditions. Hardly ever does serious damage to kids.

We hope our sexual exercise and activity increases our immunity to this virus.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2429490]Watching Bangkok news last night. 35 year old in Bangkok is the first Thailand death due to the coronavirus. My Thai isn't good enough to know if he had any pre existing conditions.[/QUOTE]I read that he already had Dengue fever. I think it was on the BBC or CNN website.

Get a grip please. Other good responses posted on here. As mentioned, this correction was long overdue. Even with the hit last week, I'm still up 15% for the last 12 months, and I'm an investment idiot. What's to complain about?

We saw the start of this with the Trump trade taxes, and this showed us where the weakness is. Companies have been working the short time returns so hard that they have moved to just in time deliveries from suppliers, and are sourcing huge percentages of critical parts from single suppliers in countries that are at risk for all kinds of issues (aka China). So when the shit hit the fan, guess what happens next in the Rube Goldberg machine that is the stock market? Companies have lost sight of long term health (you know, even a stool needs three legs to be stable) and stability, which is borne out by all the short term microsecond computer trading, which has exacerbated the market volatility.

You want a real eye opener? The current economy, at least in the US, is driven by the consumers. Now look at the wealth / income distribution. It won't be too long before the majority of the population is unable to afford the basic necessities. Ford had the right idea with his new automobile. He paid his workers many times the going labor rate so that they could all afford to buy the product they were making for him.

[QUOTE=Allover;2428913]I haven't read anything about Bat Flu and heat. Hope you're right. The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits. Also some sick people aren't getting medical help due to fear of being isolated by friends and family.

Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2429045]...Now, here is the bad part for any Farangs thinking this coronavirus hysteria has loosened the youngest and best looking Thermae girls' grip on responding exclusively to Asian punters. And, again, this is only from MY experience. But at 9:30pm I went in there as pleasant, polite, smiling, happy, with as warm and welcoming a "sawadee krup" at the ready as I have ever had, looking pretty damn good for a somewhat elderly Farang I might say. And the cold shoulder from the better looking girls was every bit as bad as it has ever been. Very, very cold cold shoulder for this Farang. With girls I'd never seen or talked to before, new encounters...[/QUOTE]Haha ET, that's too bad. I sympathize with your plight. I, too was hoping that this virus scare would losen up a bit those good looking Thermae girls. Oh well.

I am currently in Medellin, Colombia, enjoying some Latina pussy. Luckily, not too many customers here from Japan / Korea to compete with.

My understanding from girls in Pattaya is that many will no longer go with Korean men so there is hope for elderly Farang, of course unless you look Iranian or Italian.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2429045]I passed through Thermae twice last night, once at around 9:30pm and again around 2am. I am usually not out and about, dropping into Thermae and all that at 2am, so I don't know how it compares to . But at 9:30pm I went in there as pleasant, polite, smiling, happy, with as warm and welcoming a "sawadee krup" at the ready as I have ever had, looking pretty damn good for a somewhat elderly Farang I might say. And the cold shoulder from the better looking girls was every bit as bad as it has ever been. Very, very cold cold shoulder for this Farang. [/QUOTE]While not a habitue of Thermae I pop in there so often and plonk myself down with a beer. I don't do the circuit but usually get some smiles from ladies in my immediate vicinity. So just a thought ET and absolutely making no judgement but is it possible that by now the word is out on your specific requirements re BBFS and CIP and few if any are willing to provide said service and hence the cold shoulder.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2429560]Haha ET, that's too bad. I sympathize with your plight. I, too was hoping that this virus scare would losen up a bit those good looking Thermae girls. Oh well.

I am currently in Medellin, Colombia, enjoying some Latina pussy. Luckily, not too many customers here from Japan / Korea to compete with.[/QUOTE]Ha, well luckily this cold shoulder for Farang issue is confined to Thermae. No great loss overall since the 3-4 times I have walked out with girls among the top 5-10% better lookers in Thermae, they were not even remotely worth the money for me anyway. I know there are a couple of go-go bars in Bangkok where girls supposedly only go with Asians. But my experience is many of those girls did not get that memo and will go with a Farang, even an elderly one. And deliver a pretty good session.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2429434]Damn its sad to read the reports about Bangkok, meanwhile I've been slamming the hotties here in Siem Reap. Guess I got out of BKK just in time.[/QUOTE]The places that seem hit hardest by the plunge in tourists here so far are not the usual P4P venues. It's the shopping malls.

I am in Siam Paragon right now and you could shoot a canon ball down the halls and not hit anyone. If this continues to worsen I would guess a lot of sweet young thing mall sales clerks will find themselves out of a job with no other visible options for support except the heretofore unthinkable, a job they would probably be fresh and brand new to, ready to learn and earn with the right attitude.

If it comes to it, those will be the ones I might need to assist finacially before I bother trying to flip the hardened, lazy hookers of Thermae or other waste of time established P4P venues to my way of financially rewarding commerce. Fuck no, man. I'll step right past and above the Thermae and Rainbow go-go bar level girls.

Probably through the dating sites.

Sunday, mid-afternoon, headed out to MBK for some shopping. As now expected, crowds down, not as much as at Chatuchak, but still, very easy to move around, NOT ram-jam full. Finished there, and spur of the moment, since BTS Silom line right outside, decided to hop on over to Patpong and SOL. Hadn't been to SOL yet, and it was about time.

Late afternoon, Sunday, get to SOL, 3 girls outside, 2 tubs and a rail thin girl. NONE appealing; first strike. OK, so World it is. Find the stairs, walk up, World door open. Lights on inside, no A/C. Step inside. 1 girl plus bartender. Bartender recognizes me, says that Kartoon (or something like that) has the day off, but there is Kartoon's co-worker... Like SOL, not doable. 2nd strike.

Now, it was hot out, sun shining BRIGHT, and humid. I can only explain my next move was due to delirium. Walk over to the other Soi, to Rose bar. Gatekeeper outside, door ajar. Reaching a moment of sanity, I walk past. Then the delirium hits again: since I'm here, might as well check it out. Walk up the stairs to [I]Grimness[/I]. 2 girls inside, one an instant reject, the other... has a rack... Sit down at the bar, ask how much for a Singha. "150". "No thank you", get up to walk out (which would have been the smart move right there). "OK, for you, discount, 100 baht. " I sit back down, obviously still in the grip of the delirium. "OK". Beer brought. I check out Miss Rack... The rack meets the minimum requirements, but as my gaze drifts up... I readily believe her when she says she has a daughter going to university in the US. Hell, it was probably grad school... You do the math. Finished the Singha, no need to linger and chit-chat, walked down the stairs, kept asking myself, "what WERE you thinking?" 3rd strike, should have just gone back to the dugout.

Considered Sukumvit, Soi 8's BJ bars, K-whatever, and the one around the corner, but... Had been there last year and not impressed. The shortest distance would be to ex-Som's Heaven (I can never pronounce, let alone spell, the new name); it's close to the Metro's Asok station. Convenient. But then, thinking... Been there last year and not impressed with the line-up nor the service... Mother thumb and her 4 daughters looking like the best bet...

But this is Bangkok, no need of solo enjoyment. Fine, I was in Patpong, Miss [I]Rail[/I] it would be. Walked back to SOL. Just as I walked up, the clouds parted, with a SMALL ray of sunshine... A 4th girl was just arriving, dinner bag in hand. Decent rack, bit chunky, OK face. Anything below the waistline is not all that visible when she's on her knees giving her oil pump-jack impression... Gave her the nod; dinner for both of us would have to wait.

Inside, asked the price of a Singha. "All drinks same price, 100 baht. " You have to admire for SOL's straightforwardness; like a lady dowager, she has her principles... Beer came and into the back room we went.

Now, over the past couple of DECADES, the SOP has been the same: drop trou, sit down, lady cleans you with a wet wipe, and begins the extraction procedure. But this is the time of the COVid virus. Girl asks me to move to sink (more like a waddle with trou down), hang my junk over the edge so she can wash. "No have virus here; you see, I wash mouth too" after she'd used the Listerine. I'm laughing inside, but, afterwards, OK by me. I mean, how would you like to be filling out the transmission report for the health officials with a "well, this girl was sucking my dick and I guess I passed on the virus to her, dick to mouth. "...

Back to the bench (does this make me a back-bencher?) She asks if she should go topless (dumb question, experienced girls understand the value of visual stimulation), so that's a yes. Decent rack, oranges, nice handful. She begins a rapid up / down sucking, picking up the pace... I guess she's thinking the faster she pumps, the quicker she'll strike oil. Said she'd been there for 3 months (didn't recognize the names I knew from last year) and the inexperience shows. I provide some pointers as to what I like and the session improves. This is the SOL I know, a beer and a BJ... Now, if it only had the music of the World...

Just as I was finishing my beer, oil was struck. After a complete extraction, the usual SOL tissue grab and spit. Then directed back to the sink for both of us, me for a junk wash, her for another gargle. Paid the standard 700, plus 200 tip to the girl, a nice, round 1000 baht for beer + BJ.

WIR: Fa offered f / s, but if I wanted dinner, I'd eat elsewhere. But for a quick snack, Fa OK.

I wonder what has happened to SOL's staff. Previous years, there's always been 5,6 girls around at the same time, mid to late afternoon, at least a couple doable. Fa is doable for a BJ, but an order of magnitude less than last year's Mam. It really seems their staff is [I]sparse[/I], and getting close to the proverbial bottom of the barrel.

On my way home, what's the name of the tv advertisement, that has the tag line "I should have had... " popped into my head. In hindsight, I should have just gone to Suk's Soi 55, Sakura, for an hour's scrub, salt tapping, heat treatment, and tug. Yes, a tug less than a BJ, but that salt tapping... Nothing makes you feel cleaner. Have to be careful of my tunnel vision and start considering more alternative [I]paths[/I].

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2429701]

If it comes to it, those will be the ones I might need to assist finacially before I bother trying to flip the hardened, lazy hookers of Thermae or other waste of time established P4P venues to my way of financially rewarding commerce. Fuck no, man. I'll step right past and above the Thermae and Rainbow go-go bar level girls.

[/QUOTE]I hate that place no matter how many times I pass by. The women in there are snotty and think their shit doesn't stink. A few months ago, I was there with a guy from Sri Lanka just looking over the place. When I walked past a few to use the bathroom, most of them had their noses so high in the air, you'd think it was up god's (or buddha's) asshole!. Fuck them!. (not in the literal sense).

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2429788]I hate that place no matter how many times I pass by. The women in there are snotty and think their shit doesn't stink. A few months ago, I was there with a guy from Sri Lanka just looking over the place. When I walked past a few to use the bathroom, most of them had their noses so high in the air, you'd think it was up god's (or buddha's) asshole!. Fuck them!. (not in the literal sense).[/QUOTE]Used to be such a fun place when I moved here 20 years ago. I was there 3 to 4 times a week for years. But the customer demographic changed and that ruined the place for me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2429701]If this continues to worsen I would guess a lot of sweet young thing mall sales clerks will find themselves out of a job with no other visible options for support except the heretofore unthinkable, a job they would probably be fresh and brand new to, ready to learn and earn with the right attitude.
[/QUOTE]Ha, I love this need to see if that strategy works next month when I am there. By then some reality should have set in.

[QUOTE=BMoreDog69;2429533]Get a grip please. Other good responses posted on here. As mentioned, this correction was long overdue. Even with the hit last week, I'm still up 15% for the last 12 months, and I'm an investment idiot. What's to complain about?

We saw the start of this with the Trump trade taxes, and this showed us where the weakness is. Companies have been working the short time returns so hard that they have moved to just in time deliveries from suppliers, and are sourcing huge percentages of critical parts from single suppliers in countries that are at risk for all kinds of issues (aka China). So when the shit hit the fan, guess what happens next in the Rube Goldberg machine that is the stock market? Companies have lost sight of long term health (you know, even a stool needs three legs to be stable) and stability, which is borne out by all the short term microsecond computer trading, which has exacerbated the market volatility.

You want a real eye opener? The current economy, at least in the US, is driven by the consumers. Now look at the wealth / income distribution. It won't be too long before the majority of the population is unable to afford the basic necessities. Ford had the right idea with his new automobile. He paid his workers many times the going labor rate so that they could all afford to buy the product they were making for him.[/QUOTE]Try moderna. CLX. MMM. GILD.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2429788]I hate that place no matter how many times I pass by. The women in there are snotty and think their shit doesn't stink.[/QUOTE]Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.

It's like going to a non-P4P civilian nightclub. Do you guys only go for the girls who smile at you or do you go talk to the prettiest girls?

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2429934]Ha, I love this need to see if that strategy works next month when I am there. By then some reality should have set in.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, that young girl is likely to return to Isaan than become a hooker. She will either get a retail job there if she's hot or just stay home with family and eat and live for free. Imo it's wishful thinking but I hope I'm very wrong.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2429914]Used to be such a fun place when I moved here 20 years ago. I was there 3 to 4 times a week for years. But the customer demographic changed and that ruined the place for me.[/QUOTE]Agree. Was really a place that you had to see, earned its name of "Star Wars" bar. Still wasn't bad after it moved to the under-stairs location, but that started its decline. I liked the original, 2 room design. Like Annie's (RIP), another BKK casualty.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2429240]Actually you're doing the scare mongering job yourself. There's no "testing kit".[/QUOTE]Actually I'm not scaring anybody. I would not cancel a trip due to the virus itself if I had a trip planned. I might be concerned about flights being cancelled due to lack of passengers but the virus itself wouldn't hold me back. I like visiting Thailand when it's not busy. If someone else chooses to postpone a trip I understand that choice.

People can be tested without kits, but there is such a thing as test kits according to CDC.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Allover;2429955]People can be tested without kits, but there is such a thing as test kits according to CDC.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html[/URL][/QUOTE]You seem to have overlooked the last part which states "FDA issued the EUA on February 4, 2020. IRR began distribution of the test kits to states, but shortly thereafter performance issues were identified related to a problem in the manufacturing of one of the reagents which led to laboratories not being able to verify the test performance. CDC is remanufacturing the reagents with more robust quality control measures. New tests will be distributed once this issue has been addressed."

There WERE test kits briefly, but they were withdrawn because they weren't up to scratch. As of CDC's last update (25-Feb) and my post of 29-Feb, no test kits!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2429949]Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.

It's like going to a non-P4P civilian nightclub. Do you guys only go for the girls who smile at you or do you go talk to the prettiest girls?[/QUOTE]I think you are missing the point of why experienced punters demanding a certain minimum level of service for the money are put off and move on from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on first encounter.

I don't shy away from the ones who do not smile at me. If I am attracted to their look, I still smile and approach them with a greeting and brief exchange, even in Thai. On occasion, they will respond enough to at least tell me how long and how much. And on every one of those occasions where I have "gone with flow" and taken them based almost entirely on their looks, it was a dreary waste of my time and money. Sadly, their good looks alone is not nearly enough to produce something close to Value For Money when it comes to P4P sex. For me.

Some of us take that bitchy demeanor as a sure and early sign that this one will be a bad bet for a good time in the room. And, in my experience, I have yet to be proven wrong on that early impression.

That's why many of us move on as quickly as possible from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on first encounter. It isn't due to a lack of confidence and determination. It is due to our experience telling us this girl very likely has zero value to offer or to sell except for her good looks and it would be a waste of our time, effort and money to go forward expecting anything remotely like a True GFE/Real Sex in the room.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430015]

Some of us take that bitchy demeanor as a sure and early sign that this one will be a bad bet for a good time in the room. And, in my experience, I have yet to be proven wrong on that early impression.

That's why many of us move on as soon as possible from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on the first encounter. It isn't due to a lack of confidence and determination. It is due to our experience telling us this girl very likely has zero value to offer or to sell except for her good looks and it would be a waste of our time, effort and money to go forward expecting anything remotely like a True GFE/Real Sex in the room.[/QUOTE]100% On-Point!. Look, we ALL want that Thai woman whos drop-dead gorgeous to give us that mind-blowing romp in the bedroom we all desire. It's not usually the case. You'll just end up getting a cold-ass starfish (who's going to rush you to get your rocks off) and ending up 1000-2000 lighter in your pocket and a world of disappointment. If there's no chemistry between both parties, why pursue it?. Sadly, some guys let the little head do the talking. I've been with average looking Thai women who could mop the fucking floor against a so-called Thai beauty. Why push the narrative if it doesn't work?. If their body language indicates she's not interested in your services, move on!. There are a plethora of freelancers, and bargirls to choose from. Pick of the litter, fellas!. Think with your bigger head!.

[B]MeatMan[/B]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2429949]Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.
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[QUOTE=MeatMan;2430025]100% On-Point!. Look, we ALL want that Thai woman whos drop-dead gorgeous to give us that mind-blowing romp in the bedroom we all desire. It's not usually the case. If there's no chemistry between both parties, why pursue it?. Sadly, some guys let the little head do the talking. I've been with average looking Thai women who could mop the fucking floor against a so-called Thai beauty. Why push the narrative if it doesn't work?. If their body language indicates she's not interested in your services, move on!. There are a plethora of freelancers, and bargirls to choose from. Pick of the litter, fellas!. Think with your bigger head!.

[B]MeatMan[/B][/QUOTE]I need a woman who's appearance turns me on, but she also has to show good interest in me. Without her showing interest in me, it is not going to be a great experience. I learned that lesson long ago. Next girl!

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2430025]...
Look, we ALL want that Thai woman whos drop-dead gorgeous to give us that mind-blowing romp in the bedroom we all desire. It's not usually the case. You'll just end up getting a cold-ass starfish (who's going to rush you to get your rocks off) and ending up 1000-2000 lighter in your pocket and a world of disappointment. If there's no chemistry between both parties, why pursue it?. Sadly, some guys let the little head do the talking. I've been with average looking Thai women who could mop the fucking floor against a so-called Thai beauty. Why push the narrative if it doesn't work?. If their body language indicates she's not interested in your services, move on!
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[B]MeatMan[/B][/QUOTE]No doubt about it and I envy them in several ways, there are many punters whose main goal is to engage with the best looking girl in the bar, to be seen engaging with the best looking girl in the bar, to be seen leaving with the best looking girl in the bar, to be seen walking on the street with the best looking girl from the bar, to be seen arriving in the lobby of their hotel with the best looking girl from the bar and for whom what happens in the room is a distant second. Or further down the line than that. As long as it meets the most basic standard fare minimum, everything is "great!

I wish the only challenge I had on the P4P hunt was to find the best looking girl in the bar, no matter how sulky and dismissive of me she is at first, and then simply negotiating for the most reasonable price acceptable to both of us. I honestly can't think of more than 1% of the time when I or anyone reading this couldn't get such a girl to walk out with us and go to our room if that was the most important thing we cared about for the night. Easy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430015]Some of us take that bitchy demeanor as a sure and early sign that this one will be a bad bet for a good time in the room. And, in my experience, I have yet to be proven wrong on that early impression.

That's why many of us move on as quickly as possible from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on first encounter. It isn't due to a lack of confidence and determination. It is due to our experience telling us this girl very likely has zero value to offer or to sell except for her good looks and it would be a waste of our time, effort and money to go forward expecting anything remotely like a True GFE/Real Sex in the room.[/QUOTE]Just today, walked down Sukhumvit Soi 23, the several blocks of MP shops, seeing if there was anything [I]interesting[/I]. About middle of the way, one shop had a number of cuties, including one, to me, stunner. She had her head down, busy with her mobile. I continued to walk to the end, wanting to check out all before making a commitment. As anyone who's made the walk knows, plenty of come-ONS.

Go back to the [I]cutie[/I] shop, stop in front of Miss Stunner. Before I can say anything, she [B]GLANCES[/B] up, milliseconds, no eye contact, no smile, nothing. In her world I didn't exist. She then goes back to her phone. Maybe she thought I was waiting for a bus, or was having a heart attack and she didn't want to get involved; I had been to Big C and was carrying a couple of shopping bags. No problem, makes it an easy decision for me. Pass. Yes, I could have told the manager I wanted this girl, paid my money, and had a half-assed massage, poor service from someone who couldn't wait to get back to their phone. Instead, I went elsewhere, with someone who was fun, with good service.

Another reason I'm not particularly keen on young'uns. Too wrapped up in their mobiles. Last year, another MP shop on Soi 23, cute young thing, up for a massage. At the usual moment, she brought up "extras", though her prices were on the high end. I demurred, she turned her back to me, pulled down her pants and shorts, and showed me her wiggling ass... "You want more?" Obviously, excellent marketing skills. Worked on me; made the deal, f / s, good enough to repeat. On the third time (third time's the charm, right?), finished with massage and f / s, 20 minutes to go, she's massaging my head. But it feels [I]lacking[/I]. I turn around, and she's massaging my head with one hand, the other texting on her mobile. While I might admire her dexterity with the mobile, split attention is something I don't tolerate. Never have, never will. I get up, grab the towel for the shower. She's "Don't be mad, don't be mad. " "I'm not mad, finished. " And I meant permanently finished. Next time passing by, she's outside with her come-on, she's "You come inside for massage. " I just roll my eyes, with a no thank you. If someone doesn't value my business, pass.

And today, the girl I did take... Had to get her Line ID rather than QR code because she did not bring her mobile to the room; it was downstairs. Fun time with someone who smiles.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2429949]Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.

It's like going to a non-P4P civilian nightclub. Do you guys only go for the girls who smile at you or do you go talk to the prettiest girls?

Unfortunately, that young girl is likely to return to Isaan than become a hooker. She will either get a retail job there if she's hot or just stay home with family and eat and live for free. Imo it's wishful thinking but I hope I'm very wrong.[/QUOTE]I don't go to non-p4 p places looking to hook up. No interest in the least. And don't want p4 p places to be work or an ordeal either. Go in, select, have a great GFE / PSE whatever I'm in the mood for, pay, then leave. The only challenge I want is a choice between multiple decent looking and performing women. That's why I chose this place. It required no effort.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2429734]On my way home, what's the name of the TV advertisement, that has the tag line "I should have had . . ." popped into my head.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYo0lVVH2wU[/URL]

I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!

Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!

And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2430185]I don't go to non-p4 p places looking to hook up. No interest in the least. And don't want p4 p places to be work or an ordeal either. Go in, select, have a great GFE / PSE whatever I'm in the mood for, pay, then leave. The only challenge I want is a choice between multiple decent looking and performing women. That's why I chose this place. It required no effort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2430251]Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30, seems like you guys are going down the path of being a Indian male equivalent on the social sexual scale of desirability. Seems the go to defense is cry racism when its simply the females exercising their right of preference, this naturally goes with the racist explanation of 333 as being the reason for this preference.[/QUOTE]How in the world did you come to that conclusion based on what you've read here? LOL.

I am quite certain just about any of the punters who get a cold shoulder non response from one of the 5% or so snotty Thermae gurls or a preoccupied smartphone game playing massage shop girl can within minutes score a very hot and eager to please early 20's go-go girl or beer bar girl for True GFE/Real Sex (bareback), something I suspect virtually nobody gets from the snotty 5% Thermae girls at any price anyway, if that is what they require for the evening. Same as I can do any day or night of the week.

Which is another reason not to waste more than 5 seconds with a girl who does not smile or respond positively to an approach. Actually, other than in a unique venue like Thermae, there is rarely a reason for us punters to do the approaching at all.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2429934]Ha, I love this need to see if that strategy works next month when I am there. By then some reality should have set in.[/QUOTE]More likely, utter chaos will have set in. World wide everything is getting worse. News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.

International flights will be getting more dangerous than normal soon perhaps? I don't know if airport heat signature tests are effective or not.

Get your last few mongering fucks in now, before the spread is too serious, ha ha? Hookers are already struggling badly to pay the bills.

My regular might want to come to my Hotel in Bangkok (assuming I stay in BKK), since her normal work avenues have probably dried up badly.

Can guys still get BBBJ or has that dried up as well? I haven't mongered for a period, so I don't know what the real situation is other than what girls tell me by message.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430294]
Which is another reason not to waste more than 5 seconds with a girl who does not smile or respond positively to an approach. Actually, other than in a unique venue like Thermae, there is rarely a reason for us punters to do the approaching at all.[/QUOTE]Might be good advice to me, since the ones I approach usually don't want me (or are clueless on the bed), and the ones who obviously want me, are usually not my choice. Easier for me not to waste time visiting the Thermae.

Recently was sorting through old photos and found a few of a wild Christmas party at the Thermae Soapy (at the old location) close to 30 years ago. I heard from one of the girls that I used to do, that her friend, a good looking girl, eventually became HIV + after many years of barebacking (I assume) and lots of Thai customers. She had a pimp / BF too so possible he gave it to her also. HIV takes a huge back seat now, with the new Virus, which is vastly more dangerous (from statistical point of view).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2430305]News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.[/QUOTE]Are they voluntarily returning to Thailand because of the coronavirus or are their visas not being renewed after 90 days? I know quite a few gogo girls currently working in Seoul, Busan, and Daegu.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2430279]there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well![/QUOTE]

This is the total opposite of what I would do especially with gogo girls. Once they smell you out as a newbie and they know you like them they will take you for everything you have. imo better to say you have been to Thailand before and talk like you know what you are doing. But if your technique works for you keep at it. We all do things differently.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2430251]most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30[/QUOTE]

That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.

While chances of catching the virus are still minimal I now insist girls wash their hands thoroughly whether it's just a normal massage or full service.

Kissing is out and any hint of coughing or sneezing and I'm nowhere her face, think doggy style, reverse cowboy flat on her stomach upside down whatever. All a bit OTT I know but it works for me. Also important letting her believe this is exactly how you like it to avoid any negative vibe for her.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2430308]Might be good advice to me, since the ones I approach usually don't want me (or are clueless on the bed), and the ones who obviously want me, are usually not my choice. Easier for me not to waste time visiting the Thermae.
...[/QUOTE]My P4P source preferences generally revolve around online Booty Call/FL/Dating sites (I maintain long term paid subscriptions to ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly and Tinder), FLs on the street or in bars, go-go bar girls and beer bar girls. I am not generally a soapy, massage shop, PSE shop or disco club guy.

I should add that it does not serve my ultimate service level goals and requirements well (mostly BBFS+CIP, secondarily a BBBJ+CIM, preferably and ideally with a Swallow finish but acceptable without on first encounter) to zero in on the best looker in the room or among the top 5% best lookers in the room in order to regularly acheive those goals in a relatively logical, practical, sane and finacially viable way. Not just in Thermae. Anywhere. I am happy to draw from the top 6% - 20% best lookers in the room for that. LOL.

So my ongoing observations and experiences on the ground during this extraordinary time are drawn mostly from any changes I might detect from those above mentioned options.

With those parameters in place, here are some changes I have already noticed as an expat living here these days and as I make my rounds as usual:

1. I am getting a LOT more than normal hits from very good looking FLs on Tinder. Ordinarily, I might be lucky to get 3-4 unsolicited hits from real female lookers per week on Tinder. I am getting that many every other day now. I am getting a couple more than usual such unsolicited hits on ThaiFriendly but not as dramatic a jump as on Tinder. No real noticeable change on ThaiCupid.

2. I get more lingering stares and smiles from presumably regular, non P4P girls working or shopping in the malls, at restaurants, etc.

3. I am seeing new and imo much better looking than usual FLs walking on Sukhumvit and standing in Soi 4. And they are far more demonstrably smiling, speaking to me and lobbying for my attention when I pass by, something the best lookers on those strolls rarely did more than a cursory smile in response to my smiling and speaking to them.

4. Not much noticable change for me in the welcome or, most importantly, the service level negotiation results in the go-go bars and beer bars, except in the below #5 way.

5. I am getting swamped by out of the blue Line message requests from girls I'd been with only 1-2 times from the dating sites and go-go bars needing to see me again because they "miss me so much." I am talking about better looking than most girls I had BBFS+CIP with but whose overall chemistry with me was too lacking for me to go for seconds or more. Apparently, some of them have realized they should have expressed their genuine love and appreciation for me more fully and sincerely at the time and would really like another opportunity to do so as soon as possible 😉.

There are definite changes occuring during this time. I will update more where it applies as time goes on.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2430369]...
That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.[/QUOTE]LOL. I think you are still missing the point. Getting the best (looking?) girls to go with you, me or just about anyone reading this in Thailand is one of the easiest challenges to meet in the P4P World. As long as you are willing to pay her going rate and accept the level of service such girls will almost certainly deliver.

For some of us, maybe because we are older and have been there and done that so often already, that likely level of service is not enough for us to fall for it again just to take pride in being seen walking off with the best looker in the room.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2430251]Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30, seems like you guys are going down the path of being a Indian male equivalent on the social sexual scale of desirability. Seems the go to defense is cry racism when its simply the females exercising their right of preference, this naturally goes with the racist explanation of 333 as being the reason for this preference.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm Black-American and I've have gotten very mild racism from very few women in Thailand. There was one time I happened to get off at Surasak Station to meet a friend. When I passed the turnstile to exit, there was one Thai woman who I passed who held her nose as if I stunk. There was another time I was on my way to Santika in a taxi (before the Santika fire) to meet up with a girl I met off Tagged. 'The boys in brown' stopped the cab and asked me to exit. They searched me for drugs which of course, I had none. They asked for my passport and when I showed them, they were all smiles and let me go. If you've been here long enough in Thailand, you can obviously source where the blame comes from. It rhymes with hysteria.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2430279]I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!

Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!

And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them![/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with your overall approach to successfully getting a True GFE/Real Sex session, meaning BBFS+CIP. In fact, I know several punters who play the game exactly that way in order to greatly improve their chances of getting BBFS+CIP.

It isn't necessary or advisable to go that route if you are fine with basic, standard condom covered service from the girls. But if you want BBFS+CIP quality service, I know your approach works well for many.

Unfortunately, I live in Ground Zero of the Bangkok red light district and the working girls here have seen me coming and going with all manner of other working girls and regular girls. LOL. So that "newbie, never had much sex" act won't work for me.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2430279]I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!

Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!

And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them![/QUOTE]Surprised to see guys in modern era still fuck bareback to WG! Aren't you afraid?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2430369]That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.[/QUOTE]The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2430445]The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about regular girlfriends and live ins? Because I really don't see ageism interfering with ordinary P4 P encounters. Not for men under age 80 or something, that is.

I see some of the best looking girls in the bars sitting ON, drinking with and leaving with some pretty damn out of shape old dudes of all ethnicities. I rarely see one holding out for the youngest, best looking men in the bar. And I see some lovely young things sitting in, say, Monsoon with farangs who look like they could be my dad. Possibly escorts or other dating site meet ups.

The cold shoulder for farangs (of any age) from the best lookers in places like Thermae or 2-3 go-go bars around town are exceptions.

And, as you have pointed out, some of that is due to the fact that the girls in venues with predominantly Asian clientele don't want to be seen flirting with or, god forbid, leaving with a farang for fear of being put on a "No Fly List" by their Asian customers overly sensitive about such things.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2430445]The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.[/QUOTE]Well said. I moved to Thailand in my late 20's and I remember being mildly annoyed I was getting roughly the same quality girls, mostly from the same pool, as 50 year old Farang geezers (and I'm not talking rich or smooth ones). On the other hand, the thought that I'd have a similar privilege in my 50's was comforting. Alas, it was not to be.

I get a sense this goes beyond the dating market, that Thais in general respect Farang far less than 10-20 years ago. We have dropped a few rungs in the social hierarchy. In the past, Farang had a significant undeserved boost in status, right now we're about where we should be, but given the trend, I'm afraid in a few years we'll be too low for comfort, perhaps on par with where Indian men are today.

In an egalitarian society where casual racism is considered unacceptable, I wouldn't be too concerned. However, in a hierarchical place like Thailand, status matters way more than is immediately obvious.

Getting a steady stream of big breasted attractive Thai women on my fb account so they re about there looking for some kind of action. Can't be sure if they're pros or semi pros but will be fun finding out.

We arrived to Nana Plaza around 19:30, at that time girls still eating their dinner on balconies and more ladies arriving. Still happy hour so got a few cheaper beers in beer garden and watched people. Around 20:30 more farangs coming in and we moved to:

Angelwitch. Last year our favorite bar due rock music and atmosphere. This year same mammasan, same DJ, same security but it was bad. Girls except main dancer mostly bad, uninterested or simply ugly / fat with serious orange skin. They played disco songs and choreo was worst than elementary school theater. Got 1 happy hour beer and run away, disappointment.

Spankys: mainly hotties, good shows (especially the one with cucumber), friendly security and mix of younger / older customers, fun and ladies seemed to enjoy. We were looking for lady to potentially join us for threesome and felt we would be able to find willing and suitable one. Tipped one in shower tub and got hot soapy show. Enjoyed watching other people and generally female friendly place as well.

We left for Soi Cowboy and went to:

Suzie Wong: pretty full, more female customers than anywhere else, watched the strange ping-pong performance, lesbian show (full naked, pussy licking). Had a few beers and wanted to see more bars to compare.

Barracuda: Worst, girls with in swimsuit bra and skirt, totally bored, uninterested, felt like forced adult entertainment. Quick drink and off.

Dollyhouse: Only a few uninterested girls, not a single hottie, felt they are totally bored. Managed to get out without a need to buy an overpriced drink.

Suzie Wong: Went back, 1 AM, had few more drinks, spotted two hotties which we wanted to call to join us. Other couple was faster however suddenly 2 other girls came to us, one asked me to dance (I agreed) and the other sat next to my boyfriend and asked if I don't mind which I didn't. After a few seconds of dance with my lady she started to kiss me, very sensually and very good technique. She sat on my lap and we cuddled. Unfortunately she was in swimsuit and her bra was heavily padded so too small boobs for my taste, the other one trying to warm up my boyfriend however she was not pretty at all and a bit pushy. He did not enjoy. We bought them ladydrinks (220 baths each), and kept them for more fun. Mine was really into lesbian action, she enjoyed and probably likes ladies more. We paid one more lady drink and left because the other one was too pushy and not turned on my guy. We were tired after long flight but ladies if you are looking for companion and genuine experience I would opt for Suzie.

With regards to crowds. We enjoyed less smoking rude Chinese customers otherwise it is still lively place and no coronavirus hysteria.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2430239][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYo0lVVH2wU[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks, that's the one.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2430251]Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430294]How in the world did you come to that conclusion based on what you've read here? LOL.

I am quite certain just about any of the punters who get a cold shoulder non response from one of the 5% or so snotty Thermae gurls or a preoccupied smartphone game playing massage shop girl can within minutes score a very hot and eager to please early 20's go-go girl or beer bar girl for True GFE/Real Sex (bareback), something I suspect virtually nobody gets from the snotty 5% Thermae girls at any price anyway, if that is what they require for the evening. Same as I can do any day or night of the week.[/QUOTE]As EihYoom says, one that doesn't smile, 9 that do. I could have taken 3 steps in either direction and found a cutie (there were [B]several[/B]). Or walked 1/2 block in either direction and been successful. Or jumped on the Skytrain (it'll always be Skytrain to me, not BTS), 1 stop, and I know a stunner with a DAZZLING smile.

What I [B] DON'T [/B] understand is the age hangup. If a girl [B] LOOKS [/B] mid-twenties to me, what do I care what her ID card actually says, if it's mid-thirties? I'm [B]NOT[/B] the census bureau. She [B]IS[/B] 25 to me.

Long time ago, Dubai York bar, I approached a couple of PRC's. Spoke to one, she looked at me and said, "You too old", and walked away. (No harm, no foul.) But her friend stepped up. Grabbed my arm and said, "Don't worry, she CRAZY, she not understand. Young man want to f*ck all night, hard work. Old man want to f*ck one time, then sleep. Good work. I LIKE old man. " Had me laughing out-loud even if I did have to prove her wrong. It was twice before I fell asleep, with a morning wake-up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430387]For some of us, maybe because we are older and have been there and done that so often already, that likely level of service is not enough for us to fall for it again just to take pride in being seen walking off with the best looker in the room.[/QUOTE]So true. Been there, done that, lesson learned, and I try hard to remember it. Nothing better than a cute smiling face looking up at you, or back at you in the mirror. My self-esteem is just fine without any artificial props.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2430305]Get your last few mongering fucks in now, before the spread is too serious, ha ha? Hookers are already struggling badly to pay the bills.

My regular might want to come to my Hotel in Bangkok (assuming I stay in BKK), since her normal work avenues have probably dried up badly.

Can guys still get BBBJ or has that dried up as well? I haven't mongered for a period, so I don't know what the real situation is other than what girls tell me by message.[/QUOTE]Visited Tulip today. Ying told me that she didn't have ANY customers from 13:00 to midnight yesterday. If I understood her correctly, there were no customers for any of the girls.

Have received BBBJ's many times in the past 2 weeks, noticeable exception Doki Doki. And not just from SOL, World, etc. Plenty of other establishments offering such.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2430470]I get a sense this goes beyond the dating market, that Thais in general respect Farang far less than 10-20 years ago. We have dropped a few rungs in the social hierarchy. In the past, Farang had a significant undeserved boost in status, right now we're about where we should be, but given the trend, I'm afraid in a few years we'll be too low for comfort, perhaps on par with where Indian men are today.

In an egalitarian society where casual racism is considered unacceptable, I wouldn't be too concerned. However, in a hierarchical place like Thailand, status matters way more than is immediately obvious.[/QUOTE]I kind of agree, but I think it's also due to the sheer number of Farang's here now. 25 years ago, Sukhumvit Soi 55 was nothing but shop houses. You could walk the length and not see any foreigners. Last year, I swear, there were blocks when I didn't see any THAIS, and this was pre-virus. Walking down lower Sukhumvit 25 years ago, you passed a Thai girl (not P4 P, but civilian), smiled, and you got a smile in return. Now? Like any big, modern city, other people are just blobs of meat to go by as you're on the way somewhere. No eye contact, no smile, or at least a lot less. Don't want to fully blame mobile phones, but certainly less person to person. A number busy on their phones.

The times they are a'changing.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2430388]It rhymes with hysteria.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I'm a bit thick, with no rhyming skills. Bit of help, please.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430469]Out of shape old dudes of all ethnicities. I rarely see one holding out for the youngest, best looking men in the bar. And I see some lovely young things sitting in, say, Monsoon with farangs who look like they could be my dad. Possibly escorts or other dating site meet ups.

The cold shoulder for farangs (of any age) from the best lookers in places like Thermae or 2-3 go-go bars around town are exceptions.

And, as you have pointed out, some of that is due to the fact that the girls in venues with predominantly Asian clientele don't want to be seen flirting with or, god forbid, leaving with a farang for fear of being put on a "No Fly List" by their Asian customers overly sensitive about such things.[/QUOTE]I think you have hit the nail on the HEAD here.

Leaving the 333 jokes out of it. I don't'take them seriously, it's just a joke. Though my one Thermae girl with me being her only farang customer DID giggle at it (for me, I say it to blow people some shit. Completely not serious).

BUT.

I have spent time in East Asia. There is definitely an attitude among many of those guys that they don't want girls who have been infected by whitey. (the older generations all thought, perhaps still think that Veneral diseases much less HIV was something only carried by "foreigners"(usually white, or African of course, they are quite racist toward many blacks) .

So for a girl working in a venue frequented by mostly Asian men, why would she risk customers who might not want her because she's smiling at, much less fucking whitey? (the few, occasional ones that operate in there).

So personally, I don't take such ttitudes from some of those Thermae girls personally at all. It's just business. And it's all good, because I am also completely uninterested in the "demure", cutesy, plastic / fake / surgical look sought by a certain percentage of the Asian clientele. So it all works out nicely. They want what I don't.

anyways, back to the point . in both Korea and Japan (especially Japan I believe) in many if not most venues, the local P4P joints will NOT accept a foreign customer.

why not? (as money is money?>)

SAME PRINCIPLE .. they don't want to "turn off" their main customer base which is sensitive to this.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2430529]Visited Tulip today. Ying told me that she didn't have ANY customers from 13:00 to midnight yesterday. If I understood her correctly, there were no customers for any of the girls.

Have received BBBJ's many times in the past 2 weeks, noticeable exception Doki Doki. And not just from SOL, World, etc. Plenty of other establishments offering such.[/QUOTE]Certainly lack of customers is due to the virus scare. And when you think about the number of dudes from Korea, Japan, HK, etc that these oily gals have been seeing and swapping spit with every week, it kind of makes one hesitate. And I'm certainly not the paranoid cautious type.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430469]Are you talking about regular girlfriends and live ins? Because I really don't see ageism interfering with ordinary P4 P encounters. Not for men under age 80 or something, that is.

I see some of the best looking girls in the bars sitting ON, drinking with and leaving with some pretty damn out of shape old dudes of all ethnicities. I rarely see one holding out for the youngest, best looking men in the bar. And I see some lovely young things sitting in, say, Monsoon with farangs who look like they could be my dad. Possibly escorts or other dating site meet ups.

The cold shoulder for farangs (of any age) from the best lookers in places like Thermae or 2-3 go-go bars around town are exceptions.

And, as you have pointed out, some of that is due to the fact that the girls in venues with predominantly Asian clientele don't want to be seen flirting with or, god forbid, leaving with a farang for fear of being put on a "No Fly List" by their Asian customers overly sensitive about such things.[/QUOTE]Was actually referring to both really. Old dudes had the pick in the bars and the ones who had live-ins had very attractive ones. Now I see young guys will gals I would not give a second look to. Amazing.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2430470]Well said. I moved to Thailand in my late 20's and I remember being mildly annoyed I was getting roughly the same quality girls, mostly from the same pool, as 50 year old Farang geezers (and I'm not talking rich or smooth ones). On the other hand, the thought that I'd have a similar privilege in my 50's was comforting. Alas, it was not to be.

I get a sense this goes beyond the dating market, that Thais in general respect Farang far less than 10-20 years ago. We have dropped a few rungs in the social hierarchy. In the past, Farang had a significant undeserved boost in status, right now we're about where we should be, but given the trend, I'm afraid in a few years we'll be too low for comfort, perhaps on par with where Indian men are today.

In an egalitarian society where casual racism is considered unacceptable, I wouldn't be too concerned. However, in a hierarchical place like Thailand, status matters way more than is immediately obvious.[/QUOTE]I agree with your assessment 100%. We have dropped off in our desirability big time.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2430550]I agree with your assessment 100%. We have dropped off in our desirability big time.[/QUOTE]The "too many farang" now comment is also correct.

We've lost our "exoticity" bonus. And too many old horny sexpat geezers give Thailand a bad name.

(though the overwhelming majority of farangs on lower Sukhumvit are the well earning "family entertainment"farang crowd, who lives there with their families).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2430548]Was actually referring to both really. Old dudes had the pick in the bars and the ones who had live-ins had very attractive ones. Now I see young guys will gals I would not give a second look to. Amazing.[/QUOTE]I see. But that sounds more like you are seeing less attractive women in the scene across the board, not that the most attractive ones are only agreeing to service younger men.

In my observation, it is rare to see the best looking girls (by today's standards) in a go-go bar even approach the youngest, fittest customers in the place, much less walk out with one. Their leaving with men clearly in their 50s or 60s is commonplace.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430647]I see. But that sounds more like you are seeing less attractive women in the scene across the board, not that the most attractive ones are only agreeing to service younger men.

In my observation, it is rare to see the best looking girls (by today's standards) in a go-go bar even approach the youngest, fittest customers in the place, much less walk out with one. Their leaving with men clearly in their 50s or 60s is commonplace.[/QUOTE]I agree there are far fewer attractive gals in the scene. Of course my tastes have changed since I moved here as well. One day you wake up and most Isaan gals just don't look that good. I really do the GoGo scene so I can't comment, but I will say that in FL places like Thermae the young guys have it. Same seems to go for soi 6 in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Catire;2430635]The "too many farang" now comment is also correct.

We've lost our "exoticity" bonus. And too many old horny sexpat geezers give Thailand a bad name.

(though the overwhelming majority of farangs on lower Sukhumvit are the well earning "family entertainment"farang crowd, who lives there with their families).[/QUOTE]I think there are far fewer old horny sexpats then there were 20 years ago. There are also a lot more young farang dudes. But most are not at all interested in p4 p. I do see some young farang dudes with some very good looking gals, but for the most part I see them with gals I wouldn't give a second look to. They are dating at the same level they would be back home. Sad.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2430702]I think there are far fewer old horny sexpats then there were 20 years ago. There are also a lot more young farang dudes. But most are not at all interested in p4 p. I do see some young farang dudes with some very good looking gals, but for the most part I see them with gals I wouldn't give a second look to. They are dating at the same level they would be back home. Sad.[/QUOTE]I agree, this is pretty much spot on.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430647]I see. But that sounds more like you are seeing less attractive women in the scene across the board, not that the most attractive ones are only agreeing to service younger men.
...[/QUOTE]By the same token, you see a hell of a lot of beautiful girls working at regular jobs. Sales promotion girls, bank employees. For example nearly all Bangkok Bank employees in central Pattaya strike me as being as sexy and good-looking as the best go-go bar girls except the bank employees are markedly taller to boot. This is the real shift that has taken place.

[QUOTE=XXL;2430790]By the same token, you see a hell of a lot of beautiful girls working at regular jobs. Sales promotion girls, bank employees. For example nearly all Bangkok Bank employees in central Pattaya strike me as being as sexy and good-looking as the best go-go bar girls except the bank employees are markedly taller to boot. This is the real shift that has taken place.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Lots of very attractive non-p4 p gals. But they are for sure not interested in older men, whereas 20 years ago, they were. That's economic development for you.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2430700]I agree there are far fewer attractive gals in the scene. Of course my tastes have changed since I moved here as well. One day you wake up and most Isaan gals just don't look that good. I really do the GoGo scene so I can't comment, but I will say that in FL places like Thermae the young guys have it. Same seems to go for soi 6 in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]P4P girls in Thermae and in most of Pattaya exude a similar grindingly boring "too cool for you" attitude. It seems to be ingrained in the current prevailing Customer-Hooker dynamic. As you say, very different from the past.

But even a 27 year old male friend I was with a few weeks ago in Pattaya who really "has it" that every girl in Pattaya wanted could not find a session with any of the girls he took on Soi 6 or Walking Street bars he'd want to repeat even for free.

He used to live in Bangkok and, not coincidentally, had the same "meh" reaction to any session he had with Thermae girls.

Now he focuses on the dating sites for side trips from his Thai girlfriend and mother of their baby.

I've been wondering where the stunners are too, spend about a week and a half in Pattaya and a week in Bangkok.

There are pretty girls for sure, but they've all had a baby or 2. Every once in a while you find a 20-21 yr old who hasn't but they are hard to find.

I never knew about thermae until I read this post last week, went to go check it out. It was absolutely jam packed with girls, like 200 inside at least and another 50 or so outside.

I'm not a bad looking guy and quite young (30), normally I get quite a bit of attention from regular non P4P Thai girls, But in thermae it seemed out of the 200 only 5 or so even had a interest in talking to me.

Definitely a different vibe there, 98% Asian men, and even boys, saw a couple of Korean boys in their early 20's getting lots of attention but they were just looking.

Some more friendly girls were sitting outside and found myself a 24 yr old banker which was quite pretty.

I just keep wondering where the fit 18-22 yr olds are hiding, I really do like a little muscle tone on the stomach.

I haven't been to soi cowboy in years, is it better in this regard than nana? Or am I missing out on more fun freelance places?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430808]P4P girls in Thermae and in most of Pattaya exude a similar grindingly boring "too cool for you" attitude. It seems to be ingrained in the current prevailing Customer-Hooker dynamic. As you say, very different from the past.

But even a 27 year old male friend I was with a few weeks ago in Pattaya who really "has it" that every girl in Pattaya wanted could not find a session with any of the girls he took on Soi 6 or Walking Street bars he'd want to repeat even for free.

He used to live in Bangkok and, not coincidentally, had the same "meh" reaction to any session he had with Thermae girls.

Now he focuses on the dating sites for side trips from his Thai girlfriend and mother of their baby.[/QUOTE]The white man is just not in favor these days.

Geez is it really getting that bleak out there. Good old days gone, prices up, looks and standards down, attitudes atrocious, too many Asians dominating the landscape, farangs no longer king now often getting the cold shoulder, bare body sex hard to get, too many fake noses and tats, immigration a pain in the ass, pandemic virus spreading, pollution levels off the charts.

Or could it be.

Adjusted for inflation prices are mostly still reasonable, Thai women are still the nicest and most beautiful in the world, farangs rather than Asians are still who Thai women prefer as husbands, the problem getting bare body sex is a result of the girls being smarter when it comes to their health, nose jobs and tats are really not that much of a turn off, if you follow the rules immigration is straightforward, and yes pollution is a problem but it's a problem most everywhere in developing economies.

Personally I'm fortunate to live where ever I want but I choose to live here most of the year because I love the people I love the food and I love the massages++.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2430305]More likely, utter chaos will have set in. World wide everything is getting worse. News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.

International flights will be getting more dangerous than normal soon perhaps? I don't know if airport heat signature tests are effective or not.

Get your last few mongering fucks in now, before the spread is too serious, ha ha? Hookers are already struggling badly to pay the bills.

My regular might want to come to my Hotel in Bangkok (assuming I stay in BKK), since her normal work avenues have probably dried up badly.

Can guys still get BBBJ or has that dried up as well? I haven't mongered for a period, so I don't know what the real situation is other than what girls tell me by message.[/QUOTE]I'm in Frankfurt right now and it is incredible. You enter an FKK (especially Oase and Palace) and you see no guys, only girls everywhere who all make a bee line for you. The mongers are spooked but the girls must eat. In the rooms everything is still on the menu.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2430375].......... any hint of coughing or sneezing and I'm nowhere her face, think doggy style, reverse cowboy flat on her stomach upside down whatever. All a bit OTT .........[/QUOTE]OTT? If I am anywhere and someone coughs or sneezes I'm out of there.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2430831]...

Or could it be.

Adjusted for inflation prices are mostly still reasonable, Thai women are still the nicest and most beautiful in the world, farangs rather than Asians are still who Thai women prefer as husbands, the problem getting bare body sex is a result of the girls being smarter when it comes to their health, nose jobs and tats are really not that much of a turn off, if you follow the rules immigration is straightforward, and yes pollution is a problem but it's a problem most everywhere in developing economies.

Personally I'm fortunate to live where ever I want but I choose to live here most of the year because I love the people I love the food and I love the massages++.[/QUOTE]My experience has been close to that except for one thing; bareback sex is much easier to get now than it was decades ago and easier now than it was just 4-5 years ago. And it has nothing to do with girls being more willing to agree to it due to lower customer traffic. This was already happening before coronovirus was in the news.

Also, other than the very best looking top 5% or so girls in Thermae and some in 2-3 go-go bars around town, I really have not observed or experienced much of a cold shoulder rejection of older farang customers in favor of young men of any ethnicity.

I did something I usually don't like to do yesterday. I had a Short Time in my apartment in the early evening, around 6PM, instead of later at night. The reason I don't like to do that is because, at almost 67 years old and living here in Bangkok, I have pretty much shot all the bullets I care to shoot on a given day or evening and now I have nothing of a sexual nature left to to look forward to for the rest of the long night. Only eat, walk around, check out the sights, watch the parade, encounter a buddy or two for a chat. But I got an offer I could not refuse from a 20-something year old girl with an knockout body, an even more wonderful pussy and a more than passable, sexy face I'd met on the BTS train a few weeks ago. So I accepted.

Then around 10:30PM I happened to be passing Thermae and decided to stop in for a soda and to continue monitoring the reduced customer issue of late. The first thing I noticed that seemed a bit different was a couple of very good looking real females standing at the top of the steps smiled broadly, nodded and looked as though they were really happy to see me. Damn. Typical. Whenever I am not really looking to take a girl, the best looking ones start reaching out to me. LOL.

Inside, I took the stroll around and, I'll be damned, the "welcome" is much more demonstrative, even from the best looking girls in the line up, than I'd experienced in my two previous strolls through the place over the past couple of weekends. Very nice smiles here, even nicer smiles over there. A semi-hottie on the left side reaches out to grab my hand as I pass and it turns out to be a better than average looking Thermae girl I'd taken a few months ago on a whim and had totally forgotten. She was "No, No, a Thousand Times No" to BBFS+CIP in the room at the time but, no matter, I settled for a pretty good BBFS+CIM to salvage the situation. Well, THIS night she seemed to be signalling me as non verbally as possible that she so wants me to take her she will say Yes to anything and everything. I mean practically begging me to take her in front of everyone. But, of course, there is no way to really know that for sure because the hellish anti-negotiation conditions in those Thermae line-ups make it impossible to talk about anything important except "How much?" And, honestly, I wouldn't have been all that interested in taking her again even if my gun belt was loaded with bullets and she said Yes to my every wish.

I resumed my stroll around the bar and, again, I can't get over how demonstrably interested in me taking them almost every girl was. That damn curse of getting so much proactive attention when I am really not prepared to or all that interested in taking a girl anyway!

Or was it more than that?

I looked around again and, it finally dawned on me. There were very, very few Asian customers in there at that hour on that night. Seriously. Unlike the last couple of times I cruised through when it was quite crowded with Asian customers and the "top 5%" best lookers were throwing me the coldest shoulder I have felt in a while, this night there were very few Asian "witnesses" to these girls smiling, flirting and reaching out to me. Yes, even among the "top 5%" best lookers in there.

Sure, I suppose it could have been simply the fact that there were so few customers in there of any ethnicity in the first place, that even somewhat elderly farangs were now a hot item. But what I experienced last night compared with previous nights definitely supported the theory that much of this cold shoulder for farangs bit with some (not all) Thermae girls is really all about them not wanting to be seen by their more predominant potential customer demographic to be "into" going with a farang customer.

I really had the feeling that I was being invited, not challenged, to approach, get a positive response and an agreement to go with virtually any girl in the place last night, except for maybe 1% of the No Farang holdouts. Now, whether or not any of those hotter Thermae girls would have been agreeable to MY kind of True GFE/Real Sex arrangement is a totally different question and one I did not ask of any of them, not being interested in taking one anyway. I'm guessing not many at all would have gone for that. Yet. But if I had been roaring to take a girl and was the kind of punter who is fine with basic, standard, covered almost everything fare, I don't think all but a handful of Thermae girls would have grimaced and turned away from even the most elderly farang on the hunt last night.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2431147]Thermae revisited[/QUOTE]Perfect info. Thanks. Sadly staying in Europe for quite some time.

Guys,

I'd be grateful if anyone could help me out with some updates / information, If anyone is in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket I'd really appreciate if you could please let me know about the mongering scenario due to the ongoing virus scare.

1) How crowded is it everywhere on the walking streets of these cities?

2) Are their girls in the Go Go's? Are there crowds at the various clubs?

3) Are all the places open or only some are open?

4) Have these places lost their charm due to the virus?

I am planning on coming to these places and it would help me make a decision if I should continue or postpone my trip.

Regards,

TheTank.

I was at Therme 2 weeks ago and I was the only non-asian there. Most of the ladies did not make eye contact but I still was able to pick up 3 different ladies. I still had a good time regardless of some of the attitudes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2431147]I did something I usually don't like to do yesterday. I had a Short Time in my apartment in the early evening, around 6PM, instead of later at night. The reason I don't like to do that is because, at almost 67 years old and living here in Bangkok, I have pretty much shot all the bullets I care to shoot on a given day or evening and now I have nothing of a sexual nature left to to look forward to for the rest of the long night. Only eat, walk around, check out the sights, watch the parade, encounter a buddy or two for a chat. But I got an offer I could not refuse from a 20-something year old girl with an knockout body, an even more wonderful pussy and a more than passable, sexy face I'd met on the BTS train a few weeks ago. So I accepted.

Then around 10:30PM I happened to be passing Thermae and decided to stop in for a soda and to continue monitoring the reduced customer issue of late. The first thing I noticed that seemed a bit different was a couple of very good looking real females standing at the top of the steps smiled broadly, nodded and looked as though they were really happy to see me. Damn. Typical. Whenever I am not really looking to take a girl, the best looking ones start reaching out to me. LOL.

Inside, I took the stroll around and, I'll be damned, the "welcome" is much more demonstrative, even from the best looking girls in the line up, than I'd experienced in my two previous strolls through the place over the past couple of weekends. Very nice smiles here, even nicer smiles over there. A semi-hottie on the left side reaches out to grab my hand as I pass and it turns out to be a better than average looking Thermae girl I'd taken a few months ago on a whim and had totally forgotten. She was "No, No, a Thousand Times No" to BBFS+CIP in the room at the time but, no matter, I settled for a pretty good BBFS+CIM to salvage the situation. Well, THIS night she seemed to be signalling me as non verbally as possible that she so wants me to take her she will say Yes to anything and everything. I mean practically begging me to take her in front of everyone. But, of course, there is no way to really know that for sure because the hellish anti-negotiation conditions in those Thermae line-ups make it impossible to talk about anything important except "How much?" And, honestly, I wouldn't have been all that interested in taking her again even if my gun belt was loaded with bullets and she said Yes to my every wish.

I resumed my stroll around the bar and, again, I can't get over how demonstrably interested in me taking them almost every girl was. That damn curse of getting so much proactive attention when I am really not prepared to or all that interested in taking a girl anyway!

Or was it more than that?

I looked around again and, it finally dawned on me. There were very, very few Asian customers in there at that hour on that night. Seriously. Unlike the last couple of times I cruised through when it was quite crowded with Asian customers and the "top 5%" best lookers were throwing me the coldest shoulder I have felt in a while, this night there were very few Asian "witnesses" to these girls smiling, flirting and reaching out to me. Yes, even among the "top 5%" best lookers in there.

Sure, I suppose it could have been simply the fact that there were so few customers in there of any ethnicity in the first place, that even somewhat elderly farangs were now a hot item. But what I experienced last night compared with previous nights definitely supported the theory that much of this cold shoulder for farangs bit with some (not all) Thermae girls is really all about them not wanting to be seen by their more predominant potential customer demographic to be "into" going with a farang customer.

I really had the feeling that I was being invited, not challenged, to approach, get a positive response and an agreement to go with virtually any girl in the place last night, except for maybe 1% of the No Farang holdouts. Now, whether or not any of those hotter Thermae girls would have been agreeable to MY kind of True GFE/Real Sex arrangement is a totally different question and one I did not ask of any of them, not being interested in taking one anyway. I'm guessing not many at all would have gone for that. Yet. But if I had been roaring to take a girl and was the kind of punter who is fine with basic, standard, covered almost everything fare, I don't think all but a handful of Thermae girls would have grimaced and turned away from even the most elderly farang on the hunt last night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2431203]Perfect info. Thanks. Sadly staying in Europe for quite some time.[/QUOTE]Its horrible. Thermae has always been my go to place, and here I sit one hour away by plane.

But discretion is the better part of valour I reckon.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;2431288]Guys,

I'd be grateful if anyone could help me out with some updates / information, If anyone is in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket I'd really appreciate if you could please let me know about the mongering scenario due to the ongoing virus scare.

1) How crowded is it everywhere on the walking streets of these cities?

2) Are their girls in the Go Go's? Are there crowds at the various clubs?

3) Are all the places open or only some are open?

4) Have these places lost their charm due to the virus?

I am planning on coming to these places and it would help me make a decision if I should continue or postpone my trip.

Regards,

TheTank.[/QUOTE]Regarding Bangkok, the Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy areas are still open but there are far fewer tourists and punters walking around. I am seeing a lot of new and attractive freelancer faces and bodies on the street in the Nana Plaza area, though. Some go-go bars are lively and full of customers, almost the same as before. Not coincidentally imo, the ones that have given ME the best results for getting True GFE/Real Sex are still pretty crowded and popular while the ones that have given me shit or hassle getting Value For my Money are not.

Last night starting out around 10:30PM, places such as Enter, Butterflies, Mandarin and Billboard seemed to be doing fine. But places such as Twister BKK, Twister, Rainbow 2 and Diamond Go-Go Bar were sucking hind tit in terms of customers. Same as in Thermae and, imo, for the same reason I alluded to above.

But all of these things can and do change from hour to hour, so don't expect much consistency in that kind of report. I didn't bother checking out Geisha Bar, which has been ok for me previously, because I don't like their policy of sprinkling non-barfineable, ladydrink hustling only scammers in with their other girls without signaling any forewarning difference in either their costume or badge.

I have been to this place several times in past few years. As the years went by, I noticed that girls became more and more east Asian clientele oriented and often were not interested in others.

I haven't stepped in for past 3-4 years and can't believe why some of you still want to go to this place and be humiliated or ignored.

Our hard earned money should get us some respect after all.

Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?

[QUOTE=Margaya;2431432]I have been to this place several times in past few years. As the years went by, I noticed that girls became more and more east Asian clientele oriented and often were not interested in others.

I haven't stepped in for past 3-4 years and can't believe why some of you still want to go to this place and be humiliated or ignored.

Our hard earned money should get us some respect after all.

Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?[/QUOTE]Well speaking for myself, I have been going there for years, get treated like a VIP by the staff, and can always manage to get what I want when I want out of the place.

I'm sure lesser folks feel they have been humiliated there, but that's all a state of mind. Need to Toughen up.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2431432]I have been to this place several times in past few years. As the years went by, I noticed that girls became more and more east Asian clientele oriented and often were not interested in others.

I haven't stepped in for past 3-4 years and can't believe why some of you still want to go to this place and be humiliated or ignored.

Our hard earned money should get us some respect after all.

Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?[/QUOTE]It is easy to pass through on the way to and from Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, drinks are normal price not beer bar or go-go bar price, at least 75% of the girls are delighted to be approached and taken for ST by any man of any age and ethnicity (more than 75% now) and at a cost generally 500 baht to 1,500 baht less than taking a girl from a typical beer bar or go-go bar. Often less rough edged girls at that.

Thermae has a lot going for it on all those counts, especially if you are the kind of punter pleased to get standard, basic fare of "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed."

Getting an above average girl there who is new to you and willng to agree upfront to BBFS+CIP for the going rate of, say, 2,000 baht - 2,500 baht is the only real challenge 99% of the punters of the world might face there, as it is throughout Thailand imo. Other than Anal I suppose, if you are into it.

Oh, and if you are a farang with an inflexible fetish for being seen walking out of a bar with the best looking girl in the place or among the top 5% best lookers there, you will be hit with the cold shoulder from among that subgroup in ways you probably never will in practically any other public venue in the country.

Other than that, there is nothing humiliating about passing through Thermae to see if there is a diamond in the rough or an undiscovered gem in the line up. I have found some.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2431432]Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?[/QUOTE]Lots of girls. Decent selection on most nights. Price is fair. No barfine. No expectation to buy lady drinks. Cheap drinks. Good place to people watch. Good pad ka prao. Very centrally located. Free to walk in. ST rooms upstairs, if needed. Girls are used to weird kinks because of the Japanese, if that is your desire. Hidden gem can be found. Good for a quickie but I wish it opened earlier like at 6 pm.

Downfall. Service can be quite basic but greatly improves if you are a regular and a known face to girls ie. More bargaining power. Girls do not wear skimpy outfits. Too many guys on most nights. Coronavirus hotbed. Yes it's true that you can be ignored by some girls who are not interested in you but this is no different if you go to a civilian night club. Not every girl in their 20's wants to be with a guy 55+.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2431607]Girls are used to weird kinks because of the Japanese, if that is your desire. [/QUOTE]This made me laugh. She's not going to be shocked when you ask for some A+; she's used to 52 year old Japanese guy bringing Styrofoam tentacles and sushi into the bedroom or god knows what. I've also heard Japanese in particular are much more into raw dogging it than other nationalities. They just want to creampie everything in sight after long 60 hour weeks at the office being a drone!

[QUOTE=Margaya;2431432]I have been to this place several times in past few years. As the years went by, I noticed that girls became more and more east Asian clientele oriented and often were not interested in others.

I haven't stepped in for past 3-4 years and can't believe why some of you still want to go to this place and be humiliated or ignored.

Our hard earned money should get us some respect after all.

Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?[/QUOTE]My main source has been Thermae & the discos, and sometimes the go-gos but relatively way less. Been doing this for so long all over the planet. If any rejection just move on the next one you like without batting an eyelid. Nobody cares atleast I don't. I typically visit LOS 2-3 times a year on an average. Now whenever I walk into Thermae in most occasions there is at least one or more girls that I've been with before. In January when I was there one time there were 4 or 5 of them the same evening. I stayed at the back of the room and proposed to one cutie who did not budge from 4 K. Then I approached another early twenties cutie for 3 K. On the way to hotel she stressed a number of times that she only goes with Asians & that I was her first non-Asian. Had un rushed experience with BBBJ & covered FS.

This past New Year after attending a dinner party (there were mainly couples & families) on NYE, I left the
party early and headed to Baccara, Soi Cowboy before midnight. Really liked one of the dancers & bought her drinks but decided against since wanted to go to Thermae. The previous NYE had a great experience with picking up a beauty of an office girl who was passionate in the bed as well so wanted to try my luck again. As I walked down Soi Cowboy the clock struck 12 & I was bathed in confetti. 10–15 mins later I walked into a mostly empty Thermae , made eye contact with a young one whom I found attractive and off we went to my Landmark room. Another really passionate service. After that having consumed a fair share of scotch over the evening decided to hit Nana Plaza. Don’t remember if it was butterflies or billboard but one of them for sure probably the latter, barfined another one for the rest of the night. A fun NYE as it turned out better than the ones with a prearranged “date” for this celebrating this occasion.

I had a 2 day stay in BKK. Learning from my previous experience and from guidance by members in this forum, I was wiser this time.

My previous exp was not that great.

Stayed near nana plaza.

Day1 : landed around 10 pm, checked in, ate and went to Billboard on Nana plaza around 11.30 pm. No drama of members only, which was a big relief. Went in, got a beer. Spent 30-40 mins.

Didn't find any stunners.

Moved to other gogo, I think it was rainbow (below billboard). Entry wasn't a big deal surprisingly. Found a 9/10, bar fine was 1 K, fee was 3 K. Could not negotiate, decided to move to the next. Gogo.

This one was on the ground floor, I don't remember the name. Got a drink and tipped the girl 40. She was really surprised. Chatted for a while, she asked if I had a type. She said she has a friend. The friend came out a minutes later. She was hardly 5.

Got out of nana plaza to the street. Saw a cute one just outside. Took her to my room. She was a viet it turns out, she wanted to stay for 2 hrs for 3 k. I agreed. Her skin was super soft. We just started doing it and I came too early. She was just that soft and nice.

I was tired and the night ended.

Day2: went to soapy. Can't remember the name now. It's right off the main soi (not a side street). Small door. The receptionist had and ipad and usually reservations are needed. I didn't have one. Picked diamond out of the lineup of 6.

The usually shower, air bed etc. I think rimming is included. I opted out. We moved to the bed, she was tight and nice. I think both of us had a good time. She said thank you.

Later that evening, went to a few gogos again. I liked one in billboard, but refused BJ nc. Maybe it was lost in translation and came to be interpreted as BBFS. Off to street again and picked up a girl that looked exactly like the one I did yesterday. On a closer look this was slightly older and cheaper. 1. 5 k for short. We had a good time with lots of kissing. This one said thanks too.

I would repeat if I had the time. Off to airport.

[QUOTE=CoconutWater89;2431629]This made me laugh. She's not going to be shocked when you ask for some A+; she's used to 52 year old Japanese guy bringing Styrofoam tentacles and sushi into the bedroom or god knows what. I've also heard Japanese in particular are much more into raw dogging it than other nationalities. They just want to creampie everything in sight after long 60 hour weeks at the office being a drone![/QUOTE]I popped into Thermae again last night. Ordinarily, I don't go into Thermae so often. But it is really an interesting case study location for monitoring the Asian tourist/punter levels these days. And I suppose I am checking to see if or when the typical Thermae hooker will suddenly realize she needs to start delivering some Real Sex for the money or find another line of work. They might be fine with or used to Styrofoam tentacles being shoved up their whatever, but very, very few are not shocked beyond recognition when I ask if they'll accept a human penis as god created it in their vagina.

Last night about 11PM there was no shortage of girls, it was quite packed with girls in fact. And I was able to stand near the front entrance with my back to the little bar where we buy drinks on entering and look down the left side pathway completely empty of customers. You know where the river of men usually flows shoulder to shoulder 5 deep around the central S shaped bar? There was not one customer in that space between the line up of girls on the booth side and the line up of girls on the bar side. For several minutes. Oh, every few minutes a group of men would appear from outside and walk down that aisle and around the room. But as soon as they passed, it was devoid of customers again. Maybe 40 customers in the whole place, almost half being farang.

One girl who I'd been with before many months ago (no BBFS allowed, only a lame BBBJ that I aborted before finishing because it was done so badly) was lobbying hard with body language (a damn good body, too. and sexy face) for me to please come over to her spot in the left side line up so she could tell me what a wonderful time she'll give me this night. I finally did go over to her. Nope, no way, no how would BBFS happen tonight or any night. Ok, hon, I was just wondering why you were so adamant about talking to me.

On the way out I was grabbed by a girl I would generously rate as a cute 7.0 I'd never seen before telling me she really liked me, wanted me to take her, she would do anything I want except "butt", 3,000 for ST or 4,000 for LT, blah, blah, blah, what do I want? I leaned in to whisper, "boom boom no condom." Oh, NO, impossible! "Ok, hon, nice meeting you, bye."

I was only in the place for about 15 minutes. Sodas are 70 baht, btw.

Then I walked over to Nana Plaza and barfined a lovely 22 year old honey for the third time whose face and body would rate an 8 against at least 90% of the girls in Thermae and who happily agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP with me on our first outing about a month ago. It was fantastic good Real Sex in the room and she earned 2,500 baht. Glad I stopped in her bar again.

Heading to Pattaya via BKK. Arrived last night and staying off soi 6. Hotel very nice and easy walk to Nana Plaza. Decided to try Twister as I has not been in that gogo for a few years. First thing to notice was that Nana was still busy but nowhere near what it normally is for a Saturday night. Went into Twister and promptly took up a good spot to see the girls. Immediately spotted one that fit the requirements. Slim and youngish with smaller fake breasts. The bar had a lot of girls and a few that were very doable. Not a lot of punters in the club at all. Mine was fine and we did the usual drinks and grouping for a few hours before bar fining her back to the hotel. The girl was pretty and had a nice firm body with a super wet pussy once DATY was performed. Not a GFE but satisfying for the first night in BKK. WIR, no because just not enough of an effort made to get me to buy again. Interesting that despite the shortage of punters the short time price was still high. Seems that they prefer to get nothing rather than a little bargaining.

See what today brings. Will report as the trip goes on.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2431830]
Interesting that despite the shortage of punters the short time price was still high. Seems that they prefer to get nothing rather than a little bargaining.
[/QUOTE]A month ago I found no reduction in bar fines at Nana Plaza bars and only 500 baht discount in the girls' fees. This is a sample size of just 2 girls in 2 different bars. Made short time deals and exchanged Line information and repeat 3 weeks later with same girls without going through bar and big discounts were available. Better performance and longer sessions in the room, too.

Based on what little I know about the relationship between Nana bars and bar girls, it seems some of them have commitments to work every night while others come in only on the nights they want.

On a side note, if I like a girl in the room, I will tip 500 or 1000 baht. That tip seems to guarantee availability and an even better performance next time.... and often no bar fine. If you do this, the girl may pester you for more sessions than you want. Thats when the Line block feature becomes valuable, dont hesitate to use it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2431814]I popped into Thermae again last night. Ordinarily, I don't go into Thermae so often. But it is really an interesting case study location for monitoring the Asian tourist/punter levels these days. And I suppose I am checking to see if or when the typical Thermae hooker will suddenly realize she needs to start delivering some Real Sex for the money or find another line of work. They might be fine with or used to Styrofoam tentacles being shoved up their whatever, but very, very few are not shocked beyond recognition when I ask if they'll accept a human penis as god created it in their vagina.

Last night about 11PM there was no shortage of girls, it was quite packed with girls in fact. And I was able to stand near the front entrance with my back to the little bar where we buy drinks on entering and look down the left side pathway completely empty of customers. You know where the river of men usually flows shoulder to shoulder 5 deep around the central S shaped bar? There was not one customer in that space between the line up of girls on the booth side and the line up of girls on the bar side. For several minutes. Oh, every few minutes a group of men would appear from outside and walk down that aisle and around the room. But as soon as they passed, it was devoid of customers again. Maybe 40 customers in the whole place, almost half being farang.

One girl who I'd been with before many months ago (no BBFS allowed, only a lame BBBJ that I aborted before finishing because it was done so badly) was lobbying hard with body language (a damn good body, too. and sexy face) for me to please come over to her spot in the left side line up so she could tell me what a wonderful time she'll give me this night. I finally did go over to her. Nope, no way, no how would BBFS happen tonight or any night. Ok, hon, I was just wondering why you were so adamant about talking to me.

On the way out I was grabbed by a girl I would generously rate as a cute 7.0 I'd never seen before telling me she really liked me, wanted me to take her, she would do anything I want except "butt", 3,000 for ST or 4,000 for LT, blah, blah, blah, what do I want? I leaned in to whisper, "boom boom no condom." Oh, NO, impossible! "Ok, hon, nice meeting you, bye."

I was only in the place for about 15 minutes. Sodas are 70 baht, btw.

Then I walked over to Nana Plaza and barfined a lovely 22 year old honey for the third time whose face and body would rate an 8 against at least 90% of the girls in Thermae and who happily agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP with me on our first outing about a month ago. It was fantastic good Real Sex in the room and she earned 2,500 baht. Glad I stopped in her bar again.[/QUOTE]It always amazes me when they think you will accept something that you would not accept previously, even when it is clearly a buyer's market. Most never seem to be willing to up their game, no matter what.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2431874]It always amazes me when they think you will accept something that you would not accept previously, even when it is clearly a buyer's market. Most never seem to be willing to up their game, no matter what.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure many girls think it is a buyer's market yet. Take a Thermae girl; if she gets one customer a week who agrees to pay 2,500 baht and on top of that he gives her a 500 baht tip because he was impressed by the way she rolled on the condom or because she smiled sweetly when she said, "No kissing, I don't like" she'll still be able to pay all her bills that month and have some left over to ride a taxi back home every night. I see the few punters in town walking out of go-go bars, beer bars, Thermae, etc. with girls who aren't any more attractive than I usually see walking out of the bars with customers.

All those non barfineable Coyote scammers who stand in front of the bars on Soi Cowboy doing nothing were still standing in front of the bars doing nothing last night. They just looked more bored than usual with fewer customers to scam. They certainly aren't now reaching out to passersby eager to share their Line info and make side deals to meet after hours.

Couple of hot ones arm hooked me as I walked by last night and, seeing they were wearing the pantyhose that Coyote scammers usually wear, I said, "But you are Coyotes and that means you will not go to my room with me, right?" Which was met with the same sheepish smile, their having been busted on their scam. And the silence that followed still meant, "Yep. That's right, bub," just like always.

Would you not have more success with better looking girls getting BBFS if you agreed not to cip but rather pull out when you are coming and deposit your load on her body? Similarly, since almost all girls will do BBBJ if you don't CIM, your success rate would be much higher if you agreed to pull out and come on her face or tits. Or is depositing your semen in a girl's orifice the point of your having sex rather than the barebacking itself?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2431982]I'm not sure many girls think it is a buyer's market yet. Take a Thermae girl; if she gets one customer a week who agrees to pay 2,500 baht and on top of that he gives her a 500 baht tip because he was impressed by the way she rolled on the condom or because she smiled sweetly when she said, "No kissing, I don't like" she'll still be able to pay all her bills that month and have some left over to ride a taxi back home every night[/QUOTE]Nah.

I don't believe it.

Hos earning ho money enter a ho lifestyle. And become used to it.

There are exceptions but very few.

(and most of the girls in Thermae "professionally"" work there. On a regular basis).

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2431995]Would you not have more success with better looking girls getting BBFS if you agreed not to cip but rather pull out when you are coming and deposit your load on her body? Similarly, since almost all girls will do BBBJ if you don't CIM, your success rate would be much higher if you agreed to pull out and come on her face or tits. Or is depositing your semen in a girl's orifice the point of your having sex rather than the barebacking itself?[/QUOTE]Yes, that last part is pretty much the point, but more precisely the actual tactile sensation of remaining in and continuing the action in the orifice that got me to the point of orgasm because it felt so good in the first place instead of interrupting it to pull out, jerk myself off, rub on her stomach or whatever. I did not divest myself of all my worldly possessions in the USA (except some rental property), leave my last remaining family members, all my old friends, move to the other side of the planet and the rest of it in order to pull out of young ladies' vaginas and mouths at the point of orgasm. I never had sex that unfulfilling even as an already somewhat elderly man in the USA with all my toys, family and friends within an hour's drive.

Bear in mind, and I suppose I should clarify it anyway, I never talk about "CIP" with the girl upfront unless they mention that part of it. Otherwise, I only talk about "boom boom no condom" regarding that topic and assume they know how it will end. I only write it that way here for clarification that pulling out was not mentioned by me or the girl. But I will mention "finish inside" pointing to her mouth and my mouth when I talk about how she would finish a BBBJ for me. Now, if she says something about "when you finish, you cum outside, ok?" when we are already in the bed ready to have sex, I have adopted the habit of answering the same way Thai girls do when you request something they might not want to do; "I'll try." Which in the Thai girl Thai-English language means "No." But they seem to be fine with me finishing inside anyway.

A couple of guys I know who are also BBFS+CIP only guys take elements of your suggestion even further. They agree to everything the girls say and then simply ignore it:

"Must use condom, ok?"

Of COURSE, I will use a condom. I ALWAYS use a condom. Do you think I'm crazy?

"You have condom?"

Of COURSE, I have a condom.

Then they proceed through all the steps and motions, no condom, CIP and when the girl says, "Did you finish inside?" They just say Oh, Yeah, I Forgot. Again, their girls still seem to be fine with it, usually chuckle at the answer and always want to see the guys again and again later.

Works for them most of the time. But that isn't my style. I much prefer having it understood and agreed to before she takes my hand and we leave the bar or start walking to my room. I consider the pleasure of the entire experience starting right then and there, knowing I will be having True GFE/Real Sex with this young lady holding my hand and walking with me to my apartment for the first time, no cloud of doubt hanging overhead and no issue with the girl balking about participating in my CIP requirements at crunch time.

I should also add that my biggest problem in these matters is not getting quite good looking young Thai girls to have BBFS+CIP with me. The reality is I am getting more of that than I have bullets to shoot for it. I long for those rare times when I have managed to dodge and decline invitations to have it with such young ladies for as long as TWO days in a row so I can finally have that feeling of relative urgency about it again and the added pleasure that goes along with it on the third day. LOL.

Virtually every time I mention in a report that I was in this or that venue, approached by a girl and I declined and moved on, that is because I am either coming from or going to a place where I had or will be having glorious BBFS+CIP (mostly) or the much appreciated BBBJ+CIM and more often than not these days Swallow finish. And that's why it is so easy for me to decline anything that doesn't truly inspire me and move on with zero regrets. This is really only about improving the conditions and ease of use for my hobby, not about scrounging around trying to eke out some modicum of value in it.

[QUOTE=Catire;2432012]Nah.

I don't believe it.

Hos earning ho money enter a ho lifestyle. And become used to it.

There are exceptions but very few.

(and most of the girls in Thermae "professionally"" work there. On a regular basis).[/QUOTE]Well, we don't know how they will deal with a customer traffic decline and economic downturn like this one might (and only might) become since none of them are old enough to have ever gone through one. But a bare minimum of 1-2 non Thai customers per week is still enough to get by in terms of food, rent, electric, phone and transportation for just about any P4P girl in Thailand.

However, there is no point in thinking they will turn into super quality sex providers when things finally get so bad they have to eat rotten fruit, bugs and scorpions. They ALREADY eat rotten (smelling) fruit, bugs and scorpions for the sheer pleasure of it even when their purses are loaded with cash!

Can anyone share with is the fastest way to have sex with girls at Thai disco?

Instead of going there again and again and wasting money on drinks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2432121]But a bare minimum of 1-2 non Thai customers per week is still enough to get by in terms of food, rent, electric, phone and transportation for just about any P4P girl in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I don't know about that, I think at least some of the girls spend everything as soon as they have it.

Once Wednesday I gave a Nana gogo girl 3500 for an exceptional 4-hours and by Thursday afternoon she seemed truly desperate for money to pay for transportation, food, and 500 baht to replace her lost ID so she could work again in a Nana plaza bar. She offered a repeat of our prior date for 2000, then 1500, and finally 1000. I pleaded poverty, but ultimately gave her a 100 baht to stop pestering me. Then I blocked her on Line and found found a different girl from a different bar.

After a not too bad day 1, I decided to head to Nana around midday to play pool and see what lunch time offerings there were. Well, not much. Spent a few hours playing pool and decided to head over to the beer garden on soi 7. A few girls there but not that many that were to my taste. As I was leaving one did come in and so I grabbed her and spent a few minutes discussing terms. Agreed to everything I wanted for a short time. Back in the hotel she did not disappoint and provided a good service, Not GFE but still did a fine job. Later that night decided to head to the Nana Plaza Gogos. Went into Billboard and was amazed at the number of punters in there. A lot more than I was expecting, The girls were Ok and a few looked doable but I just did not get a good feel in the place. Headed out to check out Afterskool. What a difference. Very few punters and most of the girls were average. Did manage to find one that was of interest. Pretty face, nice body although she was a little young for me. After a good conversation and drinking we settled on terms and off we went. In the room she did not disappoint and the DFK and sex was excellent. Body was very tight and had a really nice set of real breasts. Would definitely try again. Nana Plaza was not that busy but then again it was a Sunday night. One more night and then off to Pattaya.

More reports to follow.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2432223]I don't know about that, I think at least some of the girls spend everything as soon as they have it.
..[/QUOTE]Absolutely true, except for the rare few who sock some of it away to buy a rice farm or build a house in Issan.

But that is why I think worry about customers who overpay far above the going rate is largely irrelevant to ruining Thailand's P4P scene. These girls are just as broke and in need of my 2,500 baht two days after some dude gave them 5,000 baht as if they'd never seen five 1,000 baht notes in one place their whole lives.

It is the low demand customer that has done serious damage to the scene, imo, not the overpaying customer.

However, in this context what I meant to say we don't know what kind of austerity program some of these girls will shift into when they don't have another customer willing to hand them 2,500 baht for low level service coming down the street for several days at a time. I don't think customer traffic has ever been this low for this long and potentially much longer in their lifetimes. If they stay in the scene at all, that is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2432277]However, in this context what I meant to say we don't know what kind of austerity program some of these girls will shift into when they don't have another customer willing to hand them 2,500 baht for low level service coming down the street for several days at a time. I don't think customer traffic has ever been this low for this long and potentially much longer in their lifetimes. If they stay in the scene at all, that is.[/QUOTE]That's a good and valid point.

On a related note, as a foreign visitor, I'm willing to pay extra for premium service from a good looking girl. The 3500 baht I paid for an excellent 4-hour session seems cheap to me. "Near" home the best I can do is a 50 minute session at a top rated massage place 1400 km away from home and that costs over 8000 baht. Many visitors aren't going to pass on their Thai dream girl to save 1000 baht, our opportunities are too few. If we knew which girls were going to be stars and which were duds, the stars would never want for money and the duds would starve. There are still enough customers for that.

[QUOTE=JalenJames;2432196]Can anyone share with is the fastest way to have sex with girls at Thai disco?

Instead of going there again and again and wasting money on drinks.[/QUOTE]No shortcut bro, or you can just download dating apps for meet and greet.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2432375]That's a good and valid point.

On a related note, as a foreign visitor, I'm willing to pay extra for premium service from a good looking girl. The 3500 baht I paid for an excellent 4-hour session seems cheap to me. "Near" home the best I can do is a 50 minute session at a top rated massage place 1400 km away from home and that costs over 8000 baht. Many visitors aren't going to pass on their Thai dream girl to save 1000 baht, our opportunities are too few. If we knew which girls were going to be stars and which were duds, the stars would never want for money and the duds would starve. There are still enough customers for that.[/QUOTE]I'll give you an analogy. Say someone was visiting your hometown. You suggest a restaurant to them and they go there and then proceeded to pay more than you told them to because "this food is more expensive where I live. " And then say the people at that restaurant decide that that should be the new price standard. Where does it end really? Overall service and attitudes have gotten worse as prices have increased because the gals don't have to hustle as much. They make in one ST what used to take them three. And there is always a guy that will "settle. ".

Personally I think 100 USD for a 4 hour session that knocks your socks off is not completely out of line. But there are many people paying way more than that. And I got news for you; paying more does not get you better service. Never has; never will. I'm an oily guy and have been for almost 15 years. I have never tipped a Baht in any of the oily shops and I don't have a problem getting excellent PSE service at the PSE shops.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2432653]I'll give you an analogy. Say someone was visiting your hometown. You suggest a restaurant to them and they go there and then proceeded to pay more than you told them to because "this food is more expensive where I live. " And then say the people at that restaurant decide that that should be the new price standard. Where does it end really? Overall service and attitudes have gotten worse as prices have increased because the gals don't have to hustle as much. They make in one ST what used to take them three. And there is always a guy that will "settle. ".

Personally I think 100 USD for a 4 hour session that knocks your socks off is not completely out of line. But there are many people paying way more than that. And I got news for you; paying more does not get you better service. Never has; never will. I'm an oily guy and have been for almost 15 years. I have never tipped a Baht in any of the oily shops and I don't have a problem getting excellent PSE service at the PSE shops.[/QUOTE]I fully agree that it is silly and counterprouctive to pay more by way of tipping for the exact same service or product that everyone gets even when they don't add a tip.

But there is a big grey area when it comes to sexual services that, by my reckoning at least, already start out at a deficit of value that could never knock my socks off. Therefore, I am willing to pay more if I get more. And if you do it right, you will definitely get better service by paying more.

I suppose the closest way of applying it to your analogy is the fellow sees what is on his plate at your recommended restaurant and says, "Oh, that will never do. But if you could add another slab of beef with a little gravy and toast that slice of bread a bit I'll gladly pay an additional $5."

Then if the restaurant increases the price of that meal by $5 for everyone without adding the extra portion of beef, gravy and toasting the bread, the fault lies with the restaurant, not the customer who paid more to get more.

However, again, paying the extra $5 for no reason at all and without demanding and getting more puts the customer at fault.

My problem with the "restaurants" in this neighborhood is the meals being routinely served are from the get-go sorely lacking in value for the money despite thousands of other diners apparently having their socks get knocked off by what they are being served. But with a little tweak here and there using ingredients I know for a fact are sitting mostly unused in the kitchem cupboard I can get that meal up to snuff with an additional amount added to the bill.

I only wish these "restaurants" would routinely serve a finished meal that by my judgement is well worth the money without my having to ask neither the server, manager, chef or owner of the damn place to prepare and present it that way. Would I pay more for that? Hell yes.

I suppose this is my way of chiming in that the real problem here is too few customers demanding more and better than what they are routinely being served in these "restaurants" at the price they are today, were yesterday and will be tomorrow. The extra $5 or even $20 is largely immaterial.

Just took a girl back.

She resembled actress tatianay maslany.

Was great. Asked for 3 k, but I gave her 4 k.

Will repeat tomorrow and probably more if she shows up. Not a regular as far as I can tell.

If not, I'll take another girl in the 4 k ST range.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2432690]I suppose the closest way of applying it to your analogy is the fellow sees what is on his plate at your recommended restaurant and says, "Oh, that will never do. But if you could add another slab of beef with a little gravy and toast that slice of bread a bit I'll gladly pay an additional $5."[/QUOTE]In the case of my 3500 baht 4-hour dinner experience, the restaurant not only provided the extra beef, gravy, and toasted the bread, but they provided unexpected wine and cheesecake. On my recently finished trip to Thailand, I had 2nd, 3rd, and 4th dinners at 3 different restaurants. The tip at the end of the first meal assures superior food on the subsequent visits. The bad part is that I will soon tire of any excellent restaurant, but the proprietors tend to pester me for additional meals again and again.

My last dinner in Thailand was to be simple street food, for which I agreed to pay 1000 baht for a specific menu. While eating, I found the food to be substandard and the menu was not provided per prior agreement. Mid meal, I decided not to finish the dinner, I simply could not swallow the food. I was forced to pay 500 baht to avoid a nasty scene upon exiting the dining room. Fortunately, I quickly found a different street food vendor who provided a nice meal with all the agreed menu items at 1200 baht, for which I was happy to pay. That was the last my last dinner in Thailand.

The best part about Sukhumvit is that there is always another restaurant to try.

[QUOTE=JalenJames;2432196]Can anyone share with is the fastest way to have sex with girls at Thai disco?

Instead of going there again and again and wasting money on drinks.[/QUOTE]By fast, do you mean get it in her, finish, pull out, and go back to dancing?

I don't think that's enjoyable, since it's much more fun to take the girl back to your hotel room and have an hour or so of sex. If you like how well she performed and she seemed to like doing it with you, give her your phone number and tell her you'll call her in two days to repeat. She'll appreciate the repeat business.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2432690]But there is a big grey area when it comes to sexual services that, by my reckoning at least, already start out at a deficit of value that could never knock my socks off. Therefore, I am willing to pay more if I get more. And if you do it right, you will definitely get better service by paying more.[/QUOTE]Normally you don't get more by paying more in terms of service. What you demand is not typical; you have a peculiar bareback sex fetish that you keep talking about.

In Goatscrot's excellent restaurant analogy, you'd be the customer who asks to spit into the common stew pot since that gets you off and presumably adds to the flavor. Most restaurants would recoil in horror at the proposal, but sure enough, a few would let you do that for extra money, and no doubt it would make you happy. What's one spit in a big stew after all, it's relatively low risk and nobody has to know, though if everyone starts doing it, things change.

When you have a particular fetish that providers are strongly averse to providing, sure you might need to pay more to get what you want (after sifting through many who just won't do it).

However, in the general case, if you just want more-or-less standard service provided with a positive attitude, Goatscrot is right, you don't get more by paying more. Maybe you get a wider playing field, but almost never better service.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2432653]And I got news for you; paying more does not get you better service. Never has; never will. I'm an oily guy and have been for almost 15 years. I have never tipped a Baht in any of the oily shops and I don't have a problem getting excellent PSE service at the PSE shops.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. A punter virtually never gets better service by overpaying.

I'm sure exceptions exist (human behavior is highly variable after all), but they're sufficiently rare not to form a trend, and also fall on both sides of the regression line -- it's not uncommon to get [I]less[/I] than normal by overpaying, since girls see you as an easy mark.

Unlike you, I occasionally tip a modest amount in PSE shops (and elsewhere), but it's never to encourage better service, but only to reciprocate when they go above and beyond. However, I can see the appeal of the "no tip" policy, it's better to reward good service by repeat sessions.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2432757]In Goatscrot's excellent restaurant analogy, you'd be the customer who asks to spit into the common stew pot since that gets you off and presumably adds to the flavor. Most restaurants would recoil in horror at the proposal, but sure enough, a few would let you do that for extra money, and no doubt it would make you happy. What's one spit in a big stew after all, it's relatively low risk and nobody has to know, though if everyone starts doing it, things change.
[/QUOTE]In my recently completed Thailand holiday, I visited about 25-30 restaurants. Without request from me, 3 or 4 of the restaurants moved forward assuming that I would spit in the stew. Most restaurants carefully covered the pot before any thought of spitting could ever cross my mind.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2432757]Normally you don't get more by paying more in terms of service. What you demand is not typical; you have a peculiar bareback sex fetish that you keep talking about.

In Goatscrot's excellent restaurant analogy, you'd be the customer who asks to spit into the common stew pot since that gets you off and presumably adds to the flavor. Most restaurants would recoil in horror at the proposal, but sure enough, a few would let you do that for extra money, and no doubt it would make you happy. What's one spit in a big stew after all, it's relatively low risk and nobody has to know, though if everyone starts doing it, things change.

When you have a particular fetish that providers are strongly averse to providing, sure you might need to pay more to get what you want (after sifting through many who just won't do it).

However, in the general case, if you just want more-or-less standard service provided with a positive attitude, Goatscrot is right, you don't get more by paying more. Maybe you get a wider playing field, but almost never better service.[/QUOTE]You can pretty much assume dozens of customers have spit in the pot before you showed up. Although that might not be as true of the oily and PSE shops where the old ladies seem to be on a more assembly line system cranking out, in my experience, rather tasteless uninspired fare. That's one of the reasons I rarely dine at those shops. They could not lower the prices enough to lure me in for that.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2432805]In my recently completed Thailand holiday, I visited about 25-30 restaurants. Without request from me, 3 or 4 of the restaurants moved forward assuming that I would spit in the stew. Most restaurants carefully covered the pot before any thought of spitting could ever cross my mind.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing some of the more popular restaurants were the ones that uncovered the pot at some point so they could actually serve and you could actually eat the contents rather than be content in just knowing it is there somewhere in the kitchen?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2432690]I fully agree that it is silly and counterprouctive to pay more by way of tipping for the exact same service or product that everyone gets even when they don't add a tip.

But there is a big grey area when it comes to sexual services that, by my reckoning at least, already start out at a deficit of value that could never knock my socks off. Therefore, I am willing to pay more if I get more. And if you do it right, you will definitely get better service by paying more...[/QUOTE]So am I. Sometimes, you have to pay more if you want more services. For example, it is well known that girls in the FKKs demand more money for anal and CIM. One can either forgo those services or pay more to get them.

The same can be said if one is with an eye candy girl in Asia, very hard to get BBFS from these girls on first dates. But, offering more money can make a difference. I have experienced that numerous times.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2432858]So am I. Sometimes, you have to pay more if you want more services. For example, it is well known that girls in the FKKs demand more money for anal and CIM. One can either forgo those services or pay more to get them.

The same can be said if one is with an eye candy girl in Asia, very hard to get BBFS from these girls on first dates. But, offering more money can make a difference. I have experienced that numerous times.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And as fetishes go, my bet is you will find many more Thai lookers happy to agree to BBFS (if that even qualifies as a "fetish") for more money than are happy to agree to Anal, lesbian action or rimming, speaking of the metaphorical spitting in a common stew pot if her next customer expects DFK.

But I can't say that from personal experience since unlike many posters here I never pursue or ask for Anal, lesbian action or rimming.

I was in Transit in Bangkok so decided to spend a night by delaying the flight. Booked in Ibis Bangkok at Sukhumvit 4.

Had a dinner in a nearby pub with some drinks then took a walk on street.

Found this stunning black girl who was in shape shopping at 7-11. She mentioned that she is from Uganda.

In room, quick shower. Friendly talk. Nice BBBJ.

Good FJ. Overall satisfactory and good GFE.

Found another girl at thermae's with an actress-like face.

Asked for 3 k, but I gave her 4 k again.

I'm at that point where it's face body for me.

I'm a rookie on the international scene and this was my first international hunting trip. I made some mistakes and maybe overpaid in instances but it was a fun time. Keep in mind, I'm a rookie and was definitely overwhelmed at times.

Day 1.

Had a 2 hour layover in Hong Kong (mask on) before arriving. I began messaging women who profiles I had saved on Thai Friendly. I also begin trying to find tinder matches. Within 20 minutes I had 4 women ready to come to my place and boom boom. However, I was still in Hong Kong airport. I never expected to have such success so soon. I had to tell the ladies that I hadn't checked in to my place yet. Eventually, I catch the flight to BKK arrive to my place. It's 2 pm, I shower and to start enacting my plan. The original plan was to immediately go and get a massage. I had been planning on Tulips or Chrome based on my research. However, I was chatting with 4-5 Thai bunnies on Tinder / Thai Friendly that held me up. So I didn't hit the streets until 5. After roaming around studying the immediate area, I run into Bobby. Previously, many guys tried stopping me to offer rides, watches, etc but for some reason I stopped for Bobby. Bobby sold me a dream of taking me to massage places with many beautiful women. I knew Bobby was hustling but I was getting a little excited walking around so I decided to go with it. Bobby told me it was Happy Hour and he could get me massage, BJ, boom boom for 1300 bht. I didn't believe him but agreed to let him escort me to such a place. We begin walking. Yes, walking for many blocks, taking twists and turns. Bobby tells me that the first place only has about 8 girls working and that if I didn't like this place, he'd take me to a different one that had close to 20-30 beautiful girls working. Again, I knew this couldn't be true but by now, I'm just going with it. Finally after many blocks we come down a dead end road. We walk up to some place and Bobby says "this is it. " I have no idea the name of the place but we go in. The girls jump up and run to their spots. As Bobby promised, there were 8 girls. A small lady comes to me and tells me to choose one. This is the first time I've been in a situation like this. 8 girls staring at my pockets ready for action. Two of the 8 were waving, smiling and begging me to pick them. These 2 women had to be in their early 50's. The other 6 were younger. 2 of the girls were fairly attractive but they wouldn't make eye contact with me. Of course those were the two I preferred but I wasn't going to choose them because their body language was saying "please no. " The other 4 girls were average and they were just looking at me with blank stares. With pressure from Bobby and the lady I couldn't decided. I told Bobby to pick for me. Bobby asks did I want small girl or medium girl. I say medium. Bobby picks the biggest girl in the house! His definition of medium is totally different from mine. When Bobby made the selection one of the girls that wouldn't make eye contact stated "you let him pick? As if she was upset. Big girl walks down and me, bobby and the lady go to the bar area. Lady proceeds to tell me it's 1800 bht for everything. Bobby is standing there smiling, the prick. I give her 1800 bht. Bobby asks "where's mine. " I give Bobby 100 bht and give him a look, letting him know he's a prick. Before I go upstairs with the girl the lady asks if I want a drink. I decline but she hustled me into buying the girl a beer. Another 150 bht. I give 200 bht and the lady says she wants to keep the change for her tip. She was laughing and smiling and I'm looking at her like "the hustle goes deep ey. " Finally I go up 3 flights of stairs with my lady. I don't remember her name. I couldn't pronounce it. She spoke decent English. We showered, she asked me if I wanted hot oil or regular. Told me some men cry when she uses hot oil. I passed on the hot oil. She began the massage, back, legs, feet, then the rollover. We talked a lot. She kept talking about her American friend and how she hadn't seen him in weeks because he's being Quarantined in Japan. She mentioned this guy at least 6 times. She was a big girl with a cute face and a pretty rack. After the rollover she pulls out a condom and gives me a CBJ. I'm not in to CBJs but I go with hit. It was average. She then jumps on top and does a pretty good job riding it. I flip her over and start pounding away. It's wet and she's into it. I eventually pop and we shower. We're only an hour into the session but I start getting dressed. I was just ready for the hustle to be over. I wasn't upset, because I was a willing participant in the hustle. I want to tip her but I only have 40 bht and the other bills are no lower than 500. So I give her the 40. She looks sad. I tell her I'll get change. She leaves the 40 in a jar by the bed, which I assume is for whoever cleans up the room. We go downstairs and I ask the lady for change. She gives me change and I can't remember but I think I give pretty face girl 200 bht. The lady asks for me another tip and I tell her to kick rocks. Off I go, back onto the streets of Bangkok, vowing to not "willingly" get hustled again.

I head to Soi 4 to get a look at the Free Lancers. By this time it's around 7:30 pm, it's early. It took me a while to figure out the streets, traffic, crossing, etc. By the time I reach Soi 4 it's 8:30. I see several freelancers as I walk around. This is my first trip to Bangkok so I can't say if the numbers are down. I just know there were plenty to choose from. Many tried stopping me and several others would just look as I walked by. I was just using this time to get familiar with the area. After passing Nana plaza twice, I decided to walk in. I didn't want it to seem obvious that I had no idea where I was going, so I tried to walk through like I was a Vet. Didn't realize there were three levels. I walked around the first floor loop and decided I was going to leave because I felt like a total fish out of water. Then, right as I was starting to speed up the pace a pretty thing grabbed my arm and said "hey, stop, come here, come with me. " I glanced at her and she was a cutie. Now, a few cuties had tried stopping me on the streets but for some reason, like with Bobby, I decided to go with it. So I tell her I'll come in with her. I look up and we're walking into Playskool. Before arriving in Bangkok I read the board and did quite a bit of research. However, upon entering Playskool I wasn't quite sure what I was entering into. Was it a go go bar, regular bar, club, etc. My new cute friend sits me down on the front row and sits beside me. There's only 2 other guys in there. There are about 10 girls on stage in orange bikinis. My cutie is dressed different, she has on a black dress. Mamasan comes over and asks if I want a drink. I order a drink and then my cutie asks will I buy her one. Through my preparation, I had an idea where this was going. I tell her yes and she seems surprised and is happy. Mamasan brings our drinks. We make small talk as the women stand on stage looking awkward. After about 10 minutes of conversation she asks if we have this type of place in America. I tell her no, but begin to explain how strip clubs operate at home. She's fascinated. I use this opportunity for her to tell me how Playskool operates. She explains that I can choose a girl from the stage, any girl I like. I can pay the bar 1000 bht and have the girl. I ask would the girl leave with me and she says yes. I ask if she was included in the available girls and she giggles and says yes, we can boom boom. I laugh and we talk a bit more. More women came in. At one point I'd say there was about 20 women in there. Mostly average but there were a couple of nice ones. One with a perfect ass (I'm a booty man). Finally, my cutie says she's going back outside. I believe she thinks I'm interested in someone on stage so that's why she was leaving. I tell her I'm going to leave too but that I would be back to pick her up later. She seems surprised and giggles. We both walk outside.

It's around 9:30, I leave to get something to eat, walk up soi 4 some more then head to Thermae. Just a recon mission. I arrive but I don't go in. I see many freelancers outside. I see many many ladyboys, which is a constant throughout the night. So here I am, freelancers tugging on my arms, my tinder and TF are blowing up with 4-5 women begging to come see me and I still have the option of picking up my Playskool cutie. So I decide to head to the 7-11 and then to my place to rest and clean up. I work Tinder and TF for a while and then take a quick nap. It's 11:30 and I have options. The women on Tinder / TF are aggressive. Two are asking for 3000 bht for ST, which I don't even try to negotiate. I just say "oh ok. " The two that were requesting that amount were cute girls, but not cute enough for that amount. With two others, a fee was not discussed yet. And two others were requesting 1500 bht for ST. I really wanted one of the 1500, she was cute and my type but she was tired from her office job. I told her to message me later. I decided to head back to nana plaza to see my Playskool cutie. I walk soi 4 and converse with the freelancers for a while. I speak with about 6-7. All asking for anything between 1000 to 1500 for ST. A couple had rooms and wanted me to come with them. The others were asking "can I come with yuuu?" Around 1 am I head into nana plaza. I decided to explore and take the stairs. As I make my way to the steps in the back, a girl grabs me and tells me that her friend likes me. I tell her I'm on a mission and "I'm ok. " I go to the third floor and survey the scene. It's Saturday night and the place is not really crowded. Girls are standing outside the doors of their establishment. I look down and see my cutie hanging out talking to her friends and customers. I decide to head down. As I get to the bottom of the steps a short petite lady approaches me and grabs my arm. She says Hello, and that she likes me. She tells me to come with her. Her voice is somewhat deep and I realize she's a ladyboy. I respectfully decline but she isn't taking no for an answer. I tell her I'm going to see someone and I point towards playskool. Again, she's not trying to hear the word no. She grabs my package and tells me I should come with her into the bar and she nods towards Obsession. I move her hand and tell her "I'm OK. " She grabs my package again and gets closer. I'm thinking Hangover II and how I'm not about to end up drunk with a ladyboy story. I finally pull away and walk over to my Playskool cutie. I poke her in the side, she jumps and is surprised / excited to see me. She was impressed that I came back like I said I would. Her friends were giggling and saying something in Thai. There was another farang sitting outside with a cutie. I took a seat and we all conversed. My cutie was so excited. We sat for an hour talking, people watching, drinking. I'm checking out chicks and she's flirting with potential customers walking by. Finally, I tell her it's getting late and I was going to head out. She says she'll just go inside and she hopes she sees me again. I tell her "no, I was serious, I'm taking you home and we boom boom. " She gets excited and tells me to go pay the bar fine. I go in and tell the mamasan and she states it's 1000. She asked how long I want. My cutie had already told me 3000 bht earlier. Mamasan tells me it's 1000 for bar fine and 3000 for girl. I give her the 1000. She turns and is talking to someone. She turns back around and says ST will be 3000. I'm prepared to tell her No and that the money goes to the girl (a tip I got from the board). However, before I can say anything mamasan gets distracted. My cutie comes out from the back with her street clothes on, her friends giggling and happy / jealous for / of her. She walks up, mamasan turns back around, sees my cutie and then writes the letters TIP on her own hand. I'm looking at her like WTF, stop it. I'm ready to go so I give her 100 bht and me and my cutie leave. We get to my place, we hang out talking. She's laying on me, comfortable. We flirt a lot. Finally, I get her up off the couch and we head to the bedroom. She asks to shower. I didn't ask to join. She showers, I shower, I come out and she's in a towel on the bed. I lay down beside her. We chat some, cuddle then she starts passionately kissing me. She eventually gives me a passionate BBBJ. She comes up and a lot kissing continues. I flip her over, get the cover and we go at it. She's into and it's pretty hot and heavy. I eventually pop. We lay down talking a while. I can tell she wants to stay the night. Throughout the entire time I was around her I notice that she's not pushy. With the exception of asking me to buy her a drink, she never pushed for anything. She let me make the decisions. I ask her about LT. She gets excited and tells me that it's when she stays the night and we boom boom over and over and over until I can't take it anymore. I tell her I will LT her before I leave. She's happy and looks forward to it. We get dressed, exchange social media, she calls a car and leaves.

I stay up chatting with ladies on Tinder / TF setting up things for Day 2.

Day 2.

I decide I wanted to save some bht and only go for 1 encounter today. I knew I didn't want to go the massage route. I thought about another go go bar route but I decided if I was going to save on bht, I'd go the freelance route. I took a step back on the TF / Tinder route because the pace that I was going, I would have about 15 prospects lined up. I could barely manage the 6 I had that were ready to come over. I kept telling them, I will see you later today. So I stuck with 4 out of the 6 (dropped the two asking for 3000) and stopped fishing for others. The plan was to pick up someone from the street or have one of the 4 to come over. I hit the streets around 10. Realizing that I had totally forgotten there were two other redlight districts so I decided to recon soi cowboy. Before heading to Soi Cowboy I walked the streets. Many freelancers out tugging on me. I eventually head to Soi. I get there, stand on the corner, take a deep breath before heading down the road. I didn't know what to expect. Right as I got past the taxis, taxi drivers and motorbikes, the line opened up a hole to where I could see almost all the way to the end of the road. It felt like I was Emmitt Smith and the offensive line had cleared the path for me to score. I'm telling you, as I began walking it felt like I was the only guy on the street. It felt like triumph but quickly turned to terror. I truly felt like a naked woman walking through a male prison. The women in the street staring, some making kissing sounds, some yelling out "I remember you," "Come over here" "Heyyyyy. " I couldn't wait to get to the end. Right as I was getting close, someone grabbed me with force and locked up my arm. I'm thinking, "this is it," the police are here to arrest me. I'm not sure what I did wrong but this officer is grabbing me with such force, it had to be really bad. I look up to ask the officer what I did wrong and it's an absolutely beautiful scantily clad woman. "Hey, don't leave me, come with me. " I wanted to leave but she was just so damn fine. She was taller than me, nice ass, nice tits, my goodness, perfect. But I wanted to leave, gather my thoughts and then walk back through. But this woman was strong and she wasn't letting me go. I'm negotiating with her to allow me to leave. I'm promising that I will return to see her. By this time her friends are coming over smiling and laughing. She's saying "Liar, liar. " Her English is not good. I'm telling her I promise I will come back and to please let me go. I forcefully try to pull away and she holds on tighter. She loosens her grip down to my wrist, holding it with both her hands. She bows down and bows her head and begs me not to leave. Now, there's 5 more of her friends walking up. All giggling. Again, I tell this beautiful, possessive girl that I promise I will come back. She makes me pinky swear and finally loosens her grip. We pinky swear and she again says "liar. " As she's letting go I deliberately look up to catch the name of the bar so that when I leave I can check my notes on my phone. I had a list of do's and don'ts on my phone but I forgot to review them before day 2 started. So I look up and see the word DeJa Vu. I walk out to the corner, find a safe spot and pull out my phone to check my notes. Under the heading of Places to Avoid, I see DeJa Vu. Damnit, she was so damn beautiful but I wasn't going against my notes. So I got myself together messaged one of my ladies from TF and told her to meet me back at my place. Told her I was out and about, needed to eat before we meet. She replied "OK, I wait for you. " I head to Sukhumvit 4 to check out the sights. I pass by many ladyboys and freelancers. It was tough to turn down some of the freelancers but I was sticking to my plan. I was going to bang the cute freelancer from TF for 1500 bht. After eating, hugging up on and chatting with freelancers, I message my TF cutie and tell her to meet me at my place. I get to my place first, she messages me, I go down to pick her up. It's around 1:30 am I get off the elevator and my cutie is sitting down in the lobby. I walk up and I'm taken aback. My cutie looks like a ladyboy. She's tall and has some strong features. I'm a little worried. She's warm and friendly but very nervous. We go up the elevator, the whole time I'm thinking, this a f*cking ladyboy and I have to get rid of her. We get in the room and she's super nervous. I'm showing no emotion and not friendly at all. She suggests a game and that each time a person loses they have to take off an article of clothing. We play and I lose and she tells me to take off an article of clothing. I refuse and tell her she needs to disrobe. She mentions a shower and asked could we shower together. Now I'm confused, she really thinks I'm going to be OK disrobing to get into the shower with her when she pulls out a sausage? I tell her to disrobe. I'm standing there ready to put her out as soon as the worm comes dangling down. She eventually takes off everything and I see a vagina. WTH, no way, maybe I'm wrong. She suggests we shower. I'm still confused but I go with it because she definitely doesn't have a male part. I look at the breast and in my mind I'm thinking that those are breasts grown from taking hormone pills. I'm totally confused at this point. She bathes me and starts giving me a BBBJ in the shower. Pornstar style. We dry off, go to the bed and she tells me to lay back. Proceeds to go to work with a very good BBBJ. She's all over the boys and all. Now, in my head, I'm back to thinking "this is a post op ladyboy. Why else is she going so hard on the BBBJ. She wants me to pop so we don't go all the way. " So I tell her enough, I say "I want some p*ssy. " She pulls out some lube and starts fingering herself. The lube has me second guessing again. She asks for a condom, I get one and put it on but I'm thinking I don't want to go through with this. She gets on top and starts putting it in. She's super tight. It's barely fitting in and I tell her I'm done. I say "it's OK, it's too tight, I'm OK. " She says, no I want you to come." She rips off the condom and goes back to sucking. I stop her again and tell her I'm OK. Mentally I wasn't into it. We get dressed and I give her the 1500 bht. She asked for a tip but I declined and she left. I don't know 100% what her story is, but in my mind, it was enough to throw me off.

I immediately showered and contacted a TF cutie that I had been putting on the back burner. She was awake and wanted to come over. I started thinking, damn, I'm supposed to be saving on bht today. By this time it's 3 am But I tell my TF girl to come over. She asks can she come in an hour. That's my sign to refrain from booking. So I tell her I'll see her tomorrow and I get some sleep.

First off a nagging question. Does this bar have post-ops? The girls on the rotating stage (not the ones in the jacuzzi) are tall and some have bodies that are too good to be true.

Took a girl for ST from said stage. Usual damage (1000 + 3000).

Again some blood on the condom after we finished. I asked through Google if she was menstruating, she said "no, too big". I told her next time please complain out loud if it hurts! This has been happening to me quite often in Thailand. It saddens me to think those girls are too polite to complain when they're in pain. I use plenty of lube and my cock is only in the big league in countries like Thailand.

[QUOTE=XXL;2433072]First off a nagging question. Does this bar have post-ops? The girls on the rotating stage (not the ones in the jacuzzi) are tall and some have bodies that are too good to be true.

[/QUOTE]To my knowledge, there are no post-ops there and have never heard of them having any. Billboards has a lot of girls that fit the type you describe, that's kinda their thing. Billboard and Butterflies are the two sorta more club-like feel places with hot girls.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2433023]Day 1...Day 2.[/QUOTE]Damn Reggie, definitely a lot of mistakes but I hope you had a good time nonetheless. I would really suggest meeting someone more experienced to show you around for a night. Then you can watch and learn from him on how to pick the right bars (experience), avoid LBs (don't walk past their bars, even if you have to take a longer route), decline lady drinks and tip requests from unattractive girls and mamasans (smile, and say no or "cannot".

Also in terms of writing, I would suggest putting in a few more paragraphs to make it easier to read.

Keep it up!

In BKK for a couple of days. I'm not a regular, in fact I consider myself a complete amateur who RTFF so can only call it like I see it, compared to a couple years ago.

Ate lunch in Hillary4 this afternoon, one of 6 customers in the entire place. Looking across at Hooters, similar story there. Hostess in H4 said they had a meeting this morning. Their hours are changing tomorrow and staff are nervous.

Looked into Kazykozy for first time last night, was 1 of only 2 customers in the place at 9.30. Some fairly aggressive 'take me now' lap grinding attention from some there. Baccara had a small crop of Japanese or Koreans attending but lots of empty seats and well outnumbered by Girls. This white guy even got a few hopeful looks. But only from the less attrative ones. Saw a perfect 10 for me but cold shouldered.

Visited Thermae for first time. Quite impressed. ! Girls outnumbered guys 10 to 1. Maybe 10 actively sort my attention, waving, and I got smiles from almost all I deliberately tried to make eye contact with, which were all girls I consider in great shape and attractive, 22 - 25 yo. All starting offers at 2500, except for the one I took who dropped from 3 to 2500, then we agreed to 3 k anyway for some extra service. She really made my gogo girl from the night before look unsophisticated, and her skin was so soft. Will def prioritize Thermae in future. Will construct a full report later.

Yes I LT'the one late last year.

Before I get a shower of questions: She had the most incredible smile on the rotating stage and was super pretty but as the night wore on the clues mounted up more and more (numerous personality and behavioural traits, hidden aggression, warning from my friends Thai GF who knew instinctively, her trying to shortcut the hotel and get physical in a darkened restaurant toilet etc.). It ended at the Sofitel of course and I saw her completely naked and then the final evidence with my own eyes. Wasn't too bothered to be fair and actually found the whole episode quite amusing / interesting (still see her updates on Line) but we won't be settling foot in there again.

The next few days me and my mate recounted other girls there, some of whom we've talked to in the past and suffice to say we are fairly certain there are others.

Twister, Butterflies and R2 are the best bars for us. Never any problems.

[QUOTE=XXL;2433072]First off a nagging question. Does this bar have post-ops? The girls on the rotating stage (not the ones in the jacuzzi) are tall and some have bodies that are too good to be true.

Took a girl for ST from said stage. Usual damage (1000 + 3000).

Again some blood on the condom after we finished. I asked through Google if she was menstruating, she said "no, too big". I told her next time please complain out loud if it hurts! This has been happening to me quite often in Thailand. It saddens me to think those girls are too polite to complain when they're in pain. I use plenty of lube and my cock is only in the big league in countries like Thailand.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice Skepti.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2433140]Damn Reggie, definitely a lot of mistakes but I hope you had a good time nonetheless. I would really suggest meeting someone more experienced to show you around for a night. Then you can watch and learn from him on how to pick the right bars (experience), avoid LBs (don't walk past their bars, even if you have to take a longer route), decline lady drinks and tip requests from unattractive girls and mamasans (smile, and say no or "cannot".

Also in terms of writing, I would suggest putting in a few more paragraphs to make it easier to read.

Keep it up![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2433023]Day 2.

I decide I wanted to save some bht and only go for 1 encounter today. I knew I didn't want to go the massage route. I thought about another go go bar route but I decided if I was going to save on bht, I'd go the freelance route. I took a step back on the TF / Tinder route because the pace that I was going, I would have about 15 prospects lined up. I could barely manage the 6 I had that were ready to come over. I kept telling them, I will see you later today. So I stuck with 4 out of the 6 (dropped the two asking for 3000) and stopped fishing for others. The plan was to pick up someone from the street or have one of the 4 to come over. I hit the streets around 10. Realizing that I had totally forgotten there were two other redlight districts so I decided to recon soi cowboy. Before heading to Soi Cowboy I walked the streets. Many freelancers out tugging on me. I eventually head to Soi. I get there, stand on the corner, take a deep breath before heading down the road. I didn't know what to expect. Right as I got past the taxis, taxi drivers and motorbikes, the line opened up a hole to where I could see almost all the way to the end of the road. It felt like I was Emmitt Smith and the offensive line had cleared the path for me to score. I'm telling you, as I began walking it felt like I was the only guy on the street. It felt like triumph but quickly turned to terror. I truly felt like a naked woman walking through a male prison. The women in the street staring, some making kissing sounds, some yelling out "I remember you," "Come over here" "Heyyyyy. " I couldn't wait to get to the end. Right as I was getting close, someone grabbed me with force and locked up my arm. I'm thinking, "this is it," the police are here to arrest me. I'm not sure what I did wrong but this officer is grabbing me with such force, it had to be really bad. I look up to ask the officer what I did wrong and it's an absolutely beautiful scantily clad woman. "Hey, don't leave me, come with me. " I wanted to leave but she was just so damn fine. She was taller than me, nice ass, nice tits, my goodness, perfect. But I wanted to leave, gather my thoughts and then walk back through. But this woman was strong and she wasn't letting me go. I'm negotiating with her to allow me to leave. I'm promising that I will return to see her. By this time her friends are coming over smiling and laughing. She's saying "Liar, liar. " Her English is not good. I'm telling her I promise I will come back and to please let me go. I forcefully try to pull away and she holds on tighter. She loosens her grip down to my wrist, holding it with both her hands. She bows down and bows her head and begs me not to leave. Now, there's 5 more of her friends walking up. All giggling. Again, I tell this beautiful, possessive girl that I promise I will come back. She makes me pinky swear and finally loosens her grip. We pinky swear and she again says "liar. " As she's letting go I deliberately look up to catch the name of the bar so that when I leave I can check my notes on my phone. I had a list of do's and don'ts on my phone but I forgot to review them before day 2 started. So I look up and see the word DeJa Vu. I walk out to the corner, find a safe spot and pull out my phone to check my notes. Under the heading of Places to Avoid, I see DeJa Vu. Damnit, she was so damn beautiful but I wasn't going against my notes. So I got myself together messaged one of my ladies from TF and told her to meet me back at my place. Told her I was out and about, needed to eat before we meet. She replied "OK, I wait for you. " I head to Sukhumvit 4 to check out the sights. I pass by many ladyboys and freelancers. It was tough to turn down some of the freelancers but I was sticking to my plan. I was going to bang the cute freelancer from TF for 1500 bht. After eating, hugging up on and chatting with freelancers, I message my TF cutie and tell her to meet me at my place. I get to my place first, she messages me, I go down to pick her up. It's around 1:30 am I get off the elevator and my cutie is sitting down in the lobby. I walk up and I'm taken aback. My cutie looks like a ladyboy. She's tall and has some strong features. I'm a little worried. She's warm and friendly but very nervous. We go up the elevator, the whole time I'm thinking, this a f*cking ladyboy and I have to get rid of her. We get in the room and she's super nervous. I'm showing no emotion and not friendly at all. She suggests a game and that each time a person loses they have to take off an article of clothing. We play and I lose and she tells me to take off an article of clothing. I refuse and tell her she needs to disrobe. She mentions a shower and asked could we shower together. Now I'm confused, she really thinks I'm going to be OK disrobing to get into the shower with her when she pulls out a sausage? I tell her to disrobe. I'm standing there ready to put her out as soon as the worm comes dangling down. She eventually takes off everything and I see a vagina. WTH, no way, maybe I'm wrong. She suggests we shower. I'm still confused but I go with it because she definitely doesn't have a male part. I look at the breast and in my mind I'm thinking that those are breasts grown from taking hormone pills. I'm totally confused at this point. She bathes me and starts giving me a BBBJ in the shower. Pornstar style. We dry off, go to the bed and she tells me to lay back. Proceeds to go to work with a very good BBBJ. She's all over the boys and all. Now, in my head, I'm back to thinking "this is a post op ladyboy. Why else is she going so hard on the BBBJ. She wants me to pop so we don't go all the way. " So I tell her enough, I say "I want some p*ssy. " She pulls out some lube and starts fingering herself. The lube has me second guessing again. She asks for a condom, I get one and put it on but I'm thinking I don't want to go through with this. She gets on top and starts putting it in. She's super tight. It's barely fitting in and I tell her I'm done. I say "it's OK, it's too tight, I'm OK. " She says, no I want you to come." She rips off the condom and goes back to sucking. I stop her again and tell her I'm OK. Mentally I wasn't into it. We get dressed and I give her the 1500 bht. She asked for a tip but I declined and she left. I don't know 100% what her story is, but in my mind, it was enough to throw me off.........[/QUOTE]For me post-ops are worse than lady boys. At least with a lady boy you can abort when you see the sausage. With a post-op there is all that touching, kissing, sucking and coitus.....with a man.

I have a few GoGo dancers from Soi Cowboy on line and it seems times are really bad. Shark and dollhouse basically no customers. Maybe Kazy / crazy and long gun can still pull in some due to the show or lack of clothes.

My impressions of how things are in the bars, with freelancers and other P4P girls during this time of extremely low customer traffic continues to be that it is every bit as easy as it has always been to get just about any girl of any high level of attractiveness to go with you for ST as long as you are willing to settle for basic, standard covered fare and pay her going rate. Maybe you can negotiate a 500 baht discount from her usual 2,500 - 3,000 baht going rate these days. That's about it, imo. Otherwise, I have experienced no difference in the way P4P girls are conducting their business here.

However, I did experience what I might consider a minor turning point for (at least one of) the hottest girls I saw in Thermae last night around 9pm. I took my usual unofficial survey pass through the place, got several more welcoming smiles from the lineup since there were markedly fewer Asian potential customer "witnesses" to it and there she was! A real beauty. Standing on the left side and near the back door. Fantastic, lovely, perfectly proportioned long legs topped off by a very short pair of cut off jeans shorts around a perfect candy apple butt, tallish, slim but curvy, light skinned, classic Asian beauty face, a real Asian punter taste bonanza or so I'm told. Mid 20's at the most.

And she was all smiles, nodding and body language gesturing me to come to her from across the room. I had to look around and check 2-3 times to make sure she was "talking" to me. LOL. I then made a direct walk from the center bar to her spot in the line up. Very fluent English, funny, charming, grasping my hand, got to the point about me please, please taking her within a minute. Not one word about how much baht for her. She just "wanted to be with me", "wanted to make me happy." My only allusion to either of the only two things that would make for a fulfilling P4P for me was, "You see I am a farang, right? You should also know I like kissing on the lips, kissing you everywhere and having sex like a real boyfriend and girlfriend, ok?"

"Oh, yes, I like that too!", she assured me with a big beautiful smile.

I did not say more and was willing to take my chances with "go with the flow" beyond that with her.

In the room, she could not have been more cute, chatty, charming, sweet, deferential and naturally feminine. I was popping a boner through my pants before I had even put my arms around her. Now, she did LOVE beer. We picked up a couple of big bottles of LEO, her choice, at 7-11 and I had a few cans of it in my fridge. She downed BOTH of those big boys and chased them down with another can! She was definitely getting looped and funnier along the way. LOL. I certainly had no problem with that.

From the beginning she was going on and on about how great it will be for us to exchange Line info and for her to come over every week to be my regular or maybe even more. Talking about children (she has none) I managed to inform her I'd had a vasectomy, why and that I would not make her pregnant. She seemed delighted about that. This was going very, very well. I even enjoyed her company.

After what seemed like 90 minutes of us sitting fully clothed at my dining table, her drinking all of the beer except for half a small glassful with ice no less that I poured for myself, talking about all kinds of fun things, our likes and dislikes in life in general, family and so on, chemistry developing as strongly as I have ever felt, it was finally time to get down to it.

She was even more beautiful naked. All real. And perfect. Maybe a bit too long pubic hair for my liking, but it was confined to a small triangle in her sweet spot. And speaking of her sweet spot, she appeared to really enjoy my DATY. She could not say enough about how amazing it was to feel so good without any "pain". Apparently, the other times men have done that to her they were too rough or did some weird thing to cause her pain. But not this time. She said she came many times during the 15 minutes or so I was busy down there and thoroughly enjoying it myself. Her vaginal contractions and increased pussy juice flowing at certain key times helped me believe her.

Ah, now it was my turn. Her gentle kissing and licking my shaved balls and up and down all sides of the shaft was glorious. As hard as I was before, now I was as rigid as a twisted blue steel spike. Ready for more!

But. No more came. I kind of gently nudged her temple to more or less direct her toward putting my dick into her mouth and that was a no go. She asked, "You have condom?" "Well, I might still have one somewhere here. But you remember we talked about why I got a vasectomy many years ago, don't you?"

"Oh, NO. Must have condom to put dick in my mouth! I cannot do that without condom! And for boom boom!"

"uh, well, sorry hon but I can't feel anything and will never stay hard or finish wearing a condom. We talked about that already just a few minutes ago."

"Oh, then I will use my hand," she said with a chuckle and as big a smile as she'd displayed from the time she pleaded with me to take her from Thermae.

"Oh, no thanks, honey. I don't want a handjob. I have a hand and I can reach myself. I don't need a lady for a handjob. I need a lady for boom boom or a blowjob," I said with just as much of a chuckle and smile as she was giving me.

Did that turn this incomparably charming, enjoyable, chemistry-laden "go with the flow" experience into something wonderful? Nope. Maybe for her, but not for me. She reacted fairly shocked and horrified by the very idea of putting an uncovered dick in her mouth, much less in her pussy. Well, my dick anyway.

So she rinsed off in the shower and got dressed, I rinsed off in the shower and got dressed and I put 2,000 baht on the table next to her purse. There was no request from either one of us to exchange our Line info. Still all smiles, she said, "You give me 2,500 ok?" "Hon, I think giving you 2,000 is already very fair and generous for what we did." "You give me taxi?", she asked with a smile. "I think you have taxi money in that 2,000 baht, hon. Maybe next time," knowing as well as she did there will never be a next time. Unless she promises me the world or I don't have to pay her anything standing in Thermae next time, of course.

More big smiles, hugs and kisses from her at the door, she lovingly cupped my face in her hands and told me I was a very nice, good man and she was lucky to meet me tonight. Bye.

Anyway, this is just a report to let any of you Thermae-curious punters of any age, race or ethnicity out there that it might actually be easier than ever before to engage with and TAKE one of those very hot top 5% looker Thermae girls these days. And their demeanor might actually be quite pleasant along the way and in the room. And, no doubt about it, if you are the kind of punter who is happy with covered everything and I mean covered damn near everything, you will most certainly have a great time with some of them.

But if any of you are thinking those top 5% best lookers at Thermae are so needy during this time to loosen up on their grip of condom condom condom for just about anything related to sexual pleasure for the man and shifting them into True GFE/Real Sex mode with a first time session (or ever), we are definitely not there yet. I suspect we are not there yet with any solid 8+ hooker in Thailand, not just in Thermae. Interestingly, I noticed there was no mention of putting a condom on my tongue before the DATY.

HaHa sounds to me like maybe you met Pa. She's doesn't work Thermae often anymore but is the exact same service that I received from her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2433584].............More big smiles, hugs and kisses from her at the door, she lovingly cupped my face in her hands and told me I was a very nice, good man and she was lucky to meet me tonight. Bye...........[/QUOTE]Wow, lucky girl, 2000 bahts and no boom boom.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2433615]HaHa sounds to me like maybe you met Pa. She's doesn't work Thermae often anymore but is the exact same service that I received from her.[/QUOTE]Yep. Sounds like her name.

One other detail that got lost as I wrote the report was when I told her there was taxi fare in the 2,000 baht I gave her I also said I am sure the taxi driver will have change and, besides, if we boom boom the only way I can I would happily give you 3,000 baht if you need more money. She chuckled at that, too, and then made an icky face as though the idea of having my uncovered dick in her was the most revolting thing she ever heard. LOL.

There was no counter offer request of 5,000 baht, 10,000 baht or more. So I won't be holding my breath for her to change her mind the next time around.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2433622]Wow, lucky girl, 2000 bahts and no boom boom.[/QUOTE]Hey, she did get naked, let me see her pussy up close and personal and licked my balls for about 3 minutes!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2433584]

But if any of you are thinking those top 5% best lookers at Thermae are so needy during this time to loosen up on their grip of condom condom condom for just about anything related to sexual pleasure for the man and shifting them into True GFE/Real Sex mode with a first time session.[/QUOTE]Nevermind a condom, I'd want to be wearing a full protection suit before going anywhere near Thermae right now.

HM, I think I know that one, took her twice. Larger than average naturals for a thai girl? Uses a picture on line in a car with man you seatbelt cover? Sounds like right location in thermae.

She was alright for me, for the life of me I can't recall the BJ, but I do know I certainly DATY her. 2nd time she was definitely in need of business and thought performance would be better, but no, so gave up after 2.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2433648]Yep. Sounds like her name.

One other detail that got lost as I wrote the report was when I told her there was taxi fare in the 2,000 baht I gave her I also said I am sure the taxi driver will have change and, besides, if we boom boom the only way I can I would happily give you 3,000 baht if you need more money. She chuckled at that, too, and then made an icky face as though the idea of having my uncovered dick in her was the most revolting thing she ever heard. LOL.

There was no counter offer request of 5,000 baht, 10,000 baht or more. So I won't be holding my breath for her to change her mind the next time around.[/QUOTE]

I already uploaded this link in the general thread, but it's funny. Very apropo. I think everyone will have a laugh.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w[/URL]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2433735]HM, I think I know that one, took her twice. Larger than average naturals for a thai girl? Uses a picture on line in a car with man you seatbelt cover? Sounds like right location in thermae.

She was alright for me, for the life of me I can't recall the BJ, but I do know I certainly DATY her. 2nd time she was definitely in need of business and thought performance would be better, but no, so gave up after 2.[/QUOTE]I don't really remember her name exactly. But it could have been "Pa" or some other single syllable name like that. I only heard her say it once in the bar and there was certainly no reason for me to ask her to repeat it later since by then I had no interest in getting her Line info for any reason. So I also never saw her Line photo.

I would say the overall experience and ultimate result for me with her was similar to what I have experienced with every other (4-5) notably better looking than average Thermae girl I have taken. Nothing surprising about it and, therefore, it could have been one of any number of girls there that night.

In fact, on the issue of my never even fucking much less finishing, the result for me was essentially the same as it has been with almost every other Thai girl I would judge most punters would rate an 8 or better. Her session-halting resistance to engaging in BBFS, which I have no problem respecting and honoring, being the reason. Which is why I don't really bother with that type of girl in Thermae or elsewhere unless it is seemingly falling in my lap as was the case here.

If she had been a 7.9 instead of an 8+, the end result would almost certainly have been 100% better for me. LOL. It's true though.

I had already vowed to never again take a Thermae girl of any level of attractivemess without first negotiating the 2-3 very important details I need in order to make a P4P session worth any amount of money at all. I made an exception with this one because I was also interested in seeing if the extremely low customer traffic of late might improve a "go with the flow" approach for me vs my preference of negotiating a clearly understood upfront agreement. It obviously didn't.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2433019]I'm a rookie on the international scene and this was my first international hunting trip. I made some mistakes and maybe overpaid in instances but it was a fun time. Keep in mind, I'm a rookie and was definitely overwhelmed at times.[/QUOTE]Enjoyed reading your report and I admire how honest you were about your experiences as a first-time visitor. I'm sure other guys will weigh in here, but just off the top of my head here are a few things to work on.

Spending Hours and Hours in Your Hotel Room Looking at Girls Online. I realize there's an argument to be made that our hobby will become increasingly digital. But as you learned, this is a total time vacuum. Moreover, the appearance of online girls is hit-or-miss.

Ignoring Good Intelligence You Picked Up Here. Your original plan to visit Tulip or a similar place was smart. These are well known because they offer reliable service and value for money.

Falling Under the Spell of a Tout. You realize that you paid this joker twice, right? Once directly to him in his hand. Plus he got a kickback from the place he took you to. Write this on the back of your hand: Ninety-nine-point-nine percent of people who approach you on the street are running a scam.

Failing to Cut Your Losses. Once you arrived at the parlor and saw the lineup, you should have bolted. Throw 100 baht to the tout if you must. But never double down on your mistake by going through with a session you know will be lousy. As it turned out, you let the tout choose and ended up with a fat girl who insisted on a condomized blow job.

Not Being Able to Say No. You bought the fat girl an overpriced drink and gave her a tip after a crummy session. Tipped a go-go mamasan for doing nothing? WTF? The girls are always asking for drinks, tips, gifts, food etc. Learn to say no. No need to be nasty. Just smile and shake your head while saying something noncommittal like "maybe later. " Thai people know what that means.

Posting a Report With Only a Few Paragraphs. Good content, but almost impossible to read. Take a few extra seconds and chop it up into shorter paragraphs.

Great Thermae report dude. I may have to fly in from Cambodia to get some meds, and maybe a stop at the Thermae is in order.

I'm a condom guy though.

[QUOTE=*****man;2433710]Nevermind a condom, I'd want to be wearing a full protection suit before going anywhere near Thermae right now.[/QUOTE]Maybe that is the reason that particular better looking than most Thermae girl zeroed in on a somewhat elderly farang to take her out of that place ASAP! LOL.

Well, I think standing in Thermae regardless of the ethnic make up of the customers can now be added to the long list of ordinary activities that pose a much greater serious, long term or life-altering risk to one's health than BBFS+CIP, certainly with someone who has had a vasectomy and always carries a current negative HIV and other STD test results document. But try convincing the girls of that. 😏

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2433842]Great Thermae report dude. I may have to fly in from Cambodia to get some meds, and maybe a stop at the Thermae is in order.

I'm a condom guy though.[/QUOTE]Oh, hell, if you're a condom guy there will be near zero resistance from any and all Thermae girls going with you and delivering their usual service standard these days regardless of your age, race, ethnicity, physical condition, level of charm or game if any, still living or scientifically reanimated after death. Which, imo, has always been the case everywhere in Thailand anyway with extremely rare exception as long as you agree to pay their asking price or close to it, even with the snottiest girls in Thermae.

The only real question being, do you want to waste the next 90 minutes of your mongering life with a snotty girl.

Does Bangkok have anything like Soi 6 in Pattaya where bars have rooms upstairs?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2433857]Oh, hell, if you're a condom guy there will be near zero resistance from any and all Thermae girls going with you and delivering their usual service standard these days regardless of your age, race, ethnicity, physical condition, level of charm or game if any, still living or scientifically reanimated after death. Which, imo, has always been the case everywhere in Thailand anyway with extremely rare exception as long as you agree to pay their asking price or close to it, even with the snottiest girls in Thermae.

The only real question being, do you want to waste the next 90 minutes of your mongering life with a snotty girl.[/QUOTE]90 minutes? The faster she gets me off and I can leave, the more I give her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2433857]Oh, hell, if you're a condom guy there will be near zero resistance from any and all Thermae girls going with you and delivering their usual service standard these days regardless of your age, race, ethnicity, physical condition, level of charm or game if any, still living or scientifically reanimated after death. Which, imo, has always been the case everywhere in Thailand anyway with extremely rare exception as long as you agree to pay their asking price or close to it, even with the snottiest girls in Thermae.

The only real question being, do you want to waste the next 90 minutes of your mongering life with a snotty girl.[/QUOTE]I have come to a point in my life age 57 where no matter how long a girl sucks me or how long I pump her in any position and how tight wet or hot the girl is physically. I will no longer be able to have a Happy finish with her if I use a condom. The last few times I put on a condom I lost my boner pretty much right away. My dick is so desensitized that even raw dog is becoming a chore to finish with a orgasm. Right now I have to abstain for about 3 days between sessions just to pop one off and Lucky for me at this time I have a regular girl I can go Bare with, But my mongering days seem to be coming to a end. I used 5 condoms on a girl last week and she was a trooper But no matter what we did I was not going to finish made her feel bad like it was her fault. Even used the lub the inside of the condom method still didn't work. I just can't take the squeeze effect of a condom anymore. RIP to me 555.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2434307]I have come to a point in my life age 57 where no matter how long a girl sucks me or how long I pump her in any position and how tight wet or hot the girl is physically. I will no longer be able to have a Happy finish with her if I use a condom...[/QUOTE]Before giving up on condoms and/or mongering, you may want to give the following a try:

1) Sagami 002.

2) DHEA (50 MG / day).

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2434307]I have come to a point in my life age 57 where no matter how long a girl sucks me or how long I pump her in any position and how tight wet or hot the girl is physically. I will no longer be able to have a Happy finish with her if I use a condom. The last few times I put on a condom I lost my boner pretty much right away.[/QUOTE]I was in that same situation a year or two ago, though I'm a bit older. I started to pay much more attention to my health: diet, much water, daily aerobic exercise, and weight. I am also on Testosterone gel, which is expensive but effective. Those things helped me tremendously, though I sometimes still have the same insensitivity problems with condoms.

Lube inside a thin condom is a must for me. Lots of lube. Sometimes it is difficult to explain this to the girls because they don’t understand the problem. This is a non-problem at Doki Doki because your entire body is covered in wonderful slime.

Just a thought.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2434411]I was in that same situation a year or two ago, though I'm a bit older. I started to pay much more attention to my health: diet, much water, daily aerobic exercise, and weight. I am also on Testosterone gel, which is expensive but effective. Those things helped me tremendously, though I sometimes still have the same insensitivity problems with condoms.

Lube inside a thin condom is a must for me. Lots of lube. Sometimes it is difficult to explain this to the girls because they dont understand the problem. This is a non-problem at Doki Doki because your entire body is covered in wonderful slime.

Just a thought.[/QUOTE]For me, condoms are such a buzz kill, I don't bother with them. I'll check out the girl as best I can, and go bareback or nothing at all. The way I see it, life is inherently risky. I'd rather have a calculatedly more dangerous, but exciting life, than one that's “safe," but pointless. So far, I've mongered for a couple of decades, no condoms, with no major ill effects. Perhaps I'm lucky, but for me, there's no other way.

RG.

About what % of the Thermae girls have enhanced chests? Is it a higher or lower % than a typical soapy? At a pricier soapy like Nancy maybe 10-15%.

I never checked it out on any of my two events and now regret it. I'm in that over porn consuming millenial generation that loves fake ones now.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2434445]For me, condoms are such a buzz kill, I don't bother with them. I'll check out the girl as best I can, and go bareback or nothing at all. The way I see it, life is inherently risky. I'd rather have a calculatedly more dangerous, but exciting life, than one that's safe," but pointless. So far, I've mongered for a couple of decades, no condoms, with no major ill effects. Perhaps I'm lucky, but for me, there's no other way.

RG.[/QUOTE]Yes I am pretty much to the point NO Condom or NO sex at all. I have always hated the stoppage of play to put on the condom. Sometimes its that brief moment of time 15-20 seconds that ruins the whole damn session. I can pump her like a oil well for a HR and nothing going to happen cause I don' t feel a damn thing cause my dicks all squeezed together. I take off the condom and bareback her 1 minute later I am finish there is just that big of a difference in sensation. Its the damn squeeze that ruins it all. Even in a Magnum extra large my dicks being squeezed. Forget the Thai or Filipino sized condoms They squeeze the blood right back out and I lose my erection.

[QUOTE=XXL;2434350]Before giving up on condoms and/or mongering, you may want to give the following a try:

1) Sagami 002.

2) DHEA (50 MG / day).[/QUOTE]I will research these products and see if they might help. Thank you for your suggestion.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2434746]Yes I am pretty much to the point NO Condom or NO sex at all. I have always hated the stoppage of play to put on the condom. Sometimes its that brief moment of time 15-20 seconds that ruins the whole damn session. I can pump her like a oil well for a HR and nothing going to happen cause I don' t feel a damn thing cause my dicks all squeezed together. I take off the condom and bareback her 1 minute later I am finish there is just that big of a difference in sensation. Its the damn squeeze that ruins it all. Even in a Magnum extra large my dicks being squeezed. Forget the Thai or Filipino sized condoms They squeeze the blood right back out and I lose my erection.[/QUOTE]Something else rarely mentioned is that you lose sensitivity in your dick over time, especially if you have a significant amount of sex. There is no cure for that. It's probably a major factor in why so many people risk bareback.

[QUOTE=SpringLord;2433897]Does Bangkok have anything like Soi 6 in Pattaya where bars have rooms upstairs?[/QUOTE]Yes.

HOTMAN.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2434754]Something else rarely mentioned is that you lose sensitivity in your dick over time, especially if you have a significant amount of sex. There is no cure for that. It's probably a major factor in why so many people risk bareback.[/QUOTE]Its the thickening and loosening of the skin on your dick that does it.

Bangkok's bar industry has faced numerous challenges over the past 15 years, but nothing like Covid-19. Trips to Thailand are being cancelled or postponed as fear spreads. No-one wants to contract the virus, and no-one wants to get stuck somewhere, caught out by ever-changing rules and border closures. Soon, the only customers in the bars will be expats. Can the bars survive?

The problem the bars face is simple. Fewer visitors to Thailand means fewer punters in the bars. That means less money being taken by the bar and fewer customers for the girls. And that's a big problem because these girls aren't in it for fun. If they're not making money, they won't stick around. Already, many have seen the writing on the wall and have left the bar. Not for another bar. They have gone home. They'll return when things improve. But when might that be?

A friend whose wife runs an agency supplying a big-name, foreigner-run gogo had this to say, "There is obviously a bit of a panic in the coyote agency world as girls don't want to come to work (which is understandable) and bars can no longer afford to pay the ones that do want to work. Many girls, unable to make ends meet, are returning home. "

For bars using agency girls, all it takes is a phone call to the agency and their daily expenses are slashed. That's a start, but it's not enough.

It's not just about the money – or lack of it – for the girls. Many have chosen to stop working for now because they're genuinely scared of contracting the virus.

First there were fewer customers. That resulted in fewer girls. And now with fewer girls those punters who do make it to the bars find it quiet and less fun. It's a vicious circle.

Bars popular with Asians have been feeling it for a few weeks and over the past couple of weeks, bars popular with Caucasians have been suffering too.

This month is shaping up to be really bad. April will be worse. May is usually the worst month of the year for visitor numbers. Things are dire now, in March, one of the better months of the year. Just how bad will they be in May?

With visitor numbers plummeting, will expats keep the bars going? Unlikely.

I'the be surprised if there aren't widespread bar closures come the end of this month. I just don't think it will be worth it for many owners to stay open beyond the end of March.

But perhaps the bar owners won't have to make that decision themselves. It might just be made for them. The Health Minister commented yesterday that the government should consider closing pubs and bars as they are a fertile ground for spreading the virus. The authorities could order the likes of Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Patpong closed. After 11 Thais were infected with the virus after a night out at a Thonglor pub earlier in the week, it's the sort of knee-jerk reaction Thai politicians are known for.

But it's not all bad news, and there is an upside for those in Thailand now. Girls are hungry. Some of the younger, prettier dancers who weren't previously available are now open to offers. Word is that rates are very much negotiable.

A friend of a friend making the rounds in Pattaya says that right now it is the best he has seen it in at least 15 years. Far fewer customers around, and the girls are hungry.

At the same time, some girls are more picky. From the owners of Smooci, I hear that in recent weeks escorts have become much more selective about who they choose to meet. They will cancel a booking if they see a Chinese name or merely if the customer is staying in a hotel that is popular with Chinese.

Back to the bars, much of the problem is that rents in Bangkok are crazy high. Would landlords consider discounting rent for a period? And in the unlikely event that a landlord agreed, would it even be enough?

Back to the idea that bars will rely on expats to see them through their darkest hour, I'll leave you with a thought. A regular reader emailed yesterday saying his Thai Mrs had threatened to leave him if he went out to the bars as he often does, like many Thais she is terrified of contracting Covid-19.

It could be months before Covid-19 is brought under control. What sort of economic carnage will it cause? How much longer can the bars stay open with trade so bad? And if bars close and remain closed for a while, will they ever reopen? Are there many bars resilient enough to survive this? Could the bar industry be reshaped forever? The bar industry is facing its darkest hour.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2434754]Something else rarely mentioned is that you lose sensitivity in your dick over time, especially if you have a significant amount of sex. There is no cure for that. It's probably a major factor in why so many people risk bareback.[/QUOTE]I have never had a successful finish wearing a condom other than once when I was in my 20's. Thought I was going to rupture a vital internal organ to finally squeeze that one out. Now I am 40+ years older and fit your described profile above. I have cute girls in their 20's pestering me to repeat bb sessions with them on a daily basis. No way would I be able to do anything with a condom now.

I understand and appreciate the suggestions from fellow punters to try this or that condom, this or that lube for us bareback punters. Unfortunately, I have tried dozens of different brands and styles over the years without success.

But how about adding to these well intentioned efforts by also suggesting to girls who for various reasons wind up engaging in bareback ways to greatly reduce their long term or life altering health risks?

"You know, honey, you ought to get on a birth control pill regime or keep a pack of Morning After pills on hand. And start requiring your men to produce a recent negative/normal HIV and Syphillis blood check document before agreeimg to boom boom no condom."

I have made that suggestion to girls. Sure, some dude could get a fake test result document. But some dudes already monkey with condoms so they will break, tear or accidentally on purpose slip off during sex too. At least it is better than nothing.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2434747]I will research these products and see if they might help. Thank you for your suggestion.[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity. Is your 3 days between pops and cannot use condom an issue even WITH use of dick pills like Viagra?

[QUOTE=Hotman666;2434755]Yes.

HOTMAN.[/QUOTE]I am curious too. Perhaps you can provide some recommendations?

The gogo and beer bars I typically go to around Nana / soi 4 don't. It's either ST hotel or another cheap hotel since I prefer not to take back to room.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2433584]
"uh, well, sorry hon but I can't feel anything and will never stay hard or finish wearing a condom. We talked about that already just a few minutes ago."
[/QUOTE]So, that's the reason for no condom! All along I thought you were being an environmentalist, not wanting to put excess trash into the environment.

Just kidding. I have the same problem all too often.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2433584] I kind of gently nudged her temple to more or less direct her toward putting my dick into her mouth and that was a no go. She asked, "You have condom?" "Well, I might still have one somewhere here. But you remember we talked about why I got a vasectomy many years ago, don't you?"

"Oh, NO. Must have condom to put dick in my mouth! I cannot do that without condom! And for boom boom!"

"uh, well, sorry hon but I can't feel anything and will never stay hard or finish wearing a condom. We talked about that already just a few minutes ago."

"Oh, then I will use my hand," she said with a chuckle and as big a smile as she'd displayed from the time she pleaded with me to take her from Thermae.

"Oh, no thanks, honey. I don't want a handjob. I have a hand and I can reach myself. I don't need a lady for a handjob. I need a lady for boom boom or a blowjob," I said with just as much of a chuckle and smile as she was giving me. [/QUOTE]In the west, we call that the ol bait and switch. They'll yes you to death then, when the deed is about to happen, They pull that stunt as you described. God, I HATE the Thermae!.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2434822]So, that's the reason for no condom! All along I thought you were being an environmentalist, not wanting to put excess trash into the environment.

Just kidding. I have the same problem all too often.[/QUOTE]Yes, I tried telling the girls I don't use a condom for the same reason 7-11 stopped using plastc bags; "To Save The World! Don't you realize how many baby seals die from discarded condoms?"

But to limited results.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2434918]In the west, we call that the ol bait and switch. They'll yes you to death then, when the deed is about to happen, They pull that stunt as you described. God, I HATE the Thermae!.[/QUOTE]I just had a conversation with a cute Thermae girl last night regarding another kind of Bait and Switch they try to pull all the time. She said no sex (FS) without condom but blowjob without condom is ok for her. I asked how she would finish the blowjob (there were so few people in that bar at 9pm we could actually say the words in normal voice loud enough to be heard just by the two of us).

She looked puzzled by my question. So I asked if she would finish me inside her mouth. Her face switched to a mask of horror and she said, "NO, I use my hand. Cannot finish in mouth!"

I informed her, apparently for the first time in this late 20s year old's rapidly declining P4P career, that finishing by hand is a handjob, not a blowjob.

She said, "No, can use hand to finish. That is a blowjob."

I said, "Fine, give me a blowjob until I am ready to cum, then I will finish inside your pussy no condom and we'll call that a blowjob, too."

Not surprisingly, she did not get the point or the joke. Or pretended not to.

Yep, overall, Thermae girls have been allowed to offer and provide the worst, lowest quality sexual services of any P4P option in the country. Best to lock them in with an upfront agreement for the 2-3 most important things you require and, optimally, with some level of understanding that they will not get paid the agreed upon amount of baht if they don't actually provide those things. Otherwise, walk.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2434922]Yes, I tried telling the girls I don't use a condom for the same reason 7-11 stopped using plastc bags; "To Save The World! Don't you realize how many baby seals die from discarded condoms?"

But to limited results.[/QUOTE]About 12 days ago I was in 7-11 on Soi 11 listening to the recorded announcement about no more single use plastic bags. When I made my purchase they put my 3 items in a small plastic bag.

7-11 is same as Thermae girls. They promise no plastic, but then you get it anyway.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2434941]About 12 days ago I was in 7-11 on Soi 11 listening to the recorded announcement about no more single use plastic bags. When I made my purchase they put my 3 items in a small plastic bag.

7-11 is same as Thermae girls. They promise no plastic, but then you get it anyway.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes, some 7-11's are now asking if you want a plastic bag and they'll give you a plain one without their logo on it, presumably so it can't be traced back to them wrapped around the neck of a baby seal.

Let me go on record fully supporting a system where the girls ASK if we want a condom or not, 7-11 plastic bag style.

My odd visit to Thermae was a bunch of chicks pretending I was invisible and generally aloof and snobby. And from what it seems in the last few posts, from Eli Tooms bad service is the norm. Compare that to Snow White or other places where BBBJ / CIM and / or legs high in the air and balls deep in either of her holes is considered de rigueur, all reliable, no attitude and very accomplished girls that know how to please a man.

Just allow market forces and competitive tensions correct Thermae and its market distortion.

What is the scene at the soapys right now? Busy? Slow? Two for the price of one?

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2435056]My odd visit to Thermae was a bunch of chicks pretending I was invisible and generally aloof and snobby. And from what it seems in the last few posts, from Eli Tooms bad service is the norm. Compare that to Snow White or other places where BBBJ / CIM and / or legs high in the air and balls deep in either of her holes is considered de rigueur, all reliable, no attitude and very accomplished girls that know how to please a man.

Just allow market forces and competitive tensions correct Thermae and its market distortion.

What is the scene at the soapys right now? Busy? Slow? Two for the price of one?[/QUOTE]Closing down for two weeks appears to be the scene.

It is not possible to just ask the girl if she fucks without a condom and or if CIP CIM is allowed, accept it's her right to say no and leave it at that.

OK I get the unacceptable bait and switch, agreeing to whatever and then refusing in the room and if the girl knew exactly what she agreed to which incidentally can easily get lost in translation then she deserves what comes her way.

That said this refrain that girls who don't do BB are somehow delinquent and almost should be ostracized is a totally f**ked up monger privileged state of mind.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2435056]My odd visit to Thermae was a bunch of chicks pretending I was invisible and generally aloof and snobby. And from what it seems in the last few posts, from Eli Tooms bad service is the norm. Compare that to Snow White or other places where BBBJ / CIM and / or legs high in the air and balls deep in either of her holes is considered de rigueur, all reliable, no attitude and very accomplished girls that know how to please a man.

Just allow market forces and competitive tensions correct Thermae and its market distortion.

What is the scene at the soapys right now? Busy? Slow? Two for the price of one?[/QUOTE]I always find it amusing when folks try to make sense of the P4 P industry and equate their theories of "market forces" and competition with it. The P4 P scene blows what many folks think of economic givens out of the water. Examples are too numerous to state. Economics is and always has been a social science. There are no hard and fast rules as human behavior is unpredictable. Look at the panic that is gripping the planet now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435112]I always find it amusing when folks try to make sense of the P4 P industry and equate their theories of "market forces" and competition with it. The P4 P scene blows what many folks think of economic givens out of the water. Examples are too numerous to state. Economics is and always has been a social science. There are no hard and fast rules as human behavior is unpredictable. Look at the panic that is gripping the planet now.[/QUOTE]Yes what people forget is that economics theory almost always assumes the "rational actor" baseline model.

Which makes sense most of the time.

But not all of the time, and especially less so in the P4 P world because sex isn't a "rational act" to be meted out like a product or commodity.

Sex causes irrational acts like crimes of passion etc.

You get the idea.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/bars-clubs-and-cinemas-closed-but-only-in-bangkok-and-only-for-14-days[/URL]

The wait is over for me. I will now cancel my April-June trip.

Thank you, Hotman. As mentioned below, it would be great if you can let us know of bars in BKK that are similar to Pattaya's soi 6?

[QUOTE=LuvStJohn;2434804]I am curious too. Perhaps you can provide some recommendations?

The gogo and beer bars I typically go to around Nana / soi 4 don't. It's either ST hotel or another cheap hotel since I prefer not to take back to room.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Catire;2435152]Yes what people forget is that economics theory almost always assumes the "rational actor" baseline model.

Which makes sense most of the time.

But not all of the time, and especially less so in the P4 P world because sex isn't a "rational act" to be meted out like a product or commodity.

Sex causes irrational acts like crimes of passion etc.

You get the idea.[/QUOTE]It is my opinion that the P4P scene in Thailand is always a "Buyers Market", but most of the girls and customers don't know it. LOL.

The girls always desperately need money, always owe much more than they've got, are always under pressure to provide for children, parents, brothers, sisters, etc., all of whom are also far in debt to dozens more.

We always have plenty of discretionary funds for fun by Thai standards and most of us want the most Value For Money we can get, many of us spend hours per day and night searching through the lineups for gold.

You would think the girls who are lucky enough to bag a customer would be clawing at the unyielding Earth with their bare hands to give the men they are with the most fabulous, memorable, Up To You sessions any man could wish for.

You would also think more customers would open their mouths and mention at least 2-3 things in a negotiation that they expect to get for the money rather than just trying to shave off 500 baht or so from the girls' asking price.

But nope.

Will a two week bar closure notably improve the dynamic for customers? I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Catire;2434800]Out of curiosity. Is your 3 days between pops and cannot use condom an issue even WITH use of dick pills like Viagra?[/QUOTE]Its not the erection I am having a problem with its busting a nut.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2435179]It is my opinion that the P4P scene in Thailand is always a "Buyers Market", but most of the girls and customers don't know it. LOL.

The girls always desperately need money, always owe much more than they've got, are always under pressure to provide for children, parents, brothers, sisters, etc., all of whom are also far in debt to dozens more.

We always have plenty of discretionary funds for fun by Thai standards and most of us want the most Value For Money we can get, many of us spend hours per day and night searching through the lineups for gold.

You would think the girls who are lucky enough to bag a customer would be clawing at the unyielding Earth with their bare hands to give the men they are with the most fabulous, memorable, Up To You sessions any man could wish for.

You would also think more customers would open their mouths and mention at least 2-3 things in a negotiation that they expect to get for the money rather than just trying to shave off 500 baht or so from the girls' asking price.

But nope.

Will a two week bar closure notably improve the dynamic for customers? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]Closuresgoing to make any difference at all. In fact they'll want to charge more when things open again.

Some months ago I saw a thread here for the milking table in Bangkok. Thats not really what I am into but when visiting the website I was attracted to the kinky possibilities. I sent a request and after a week I got an answer. Very nice everything was possible as I wanted. That is exciting and I was happy to learn all was setup as my desires imagined.

The ladies came in and it was amazing to see that from the moment they entered the hotel room everything was different than I asked for, discussed and confirmed. Nothing, , literally nothing was as was confirmed. What a disaster, I asked them to leave and that was a happy moment. Not to be bothered with people who do what they do different than you ask for.

Pity also for them as if they would have done what was promised. I definitely would have set more encounters with them. Just avoid them is what I suggest.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2435266]Some months ago I saw a thread here for the milking table in Bangkok. Thats not really what I am into but when visiting the website I was attracted to the kinky possibilities. I sent a request and after a week I got an answer. Very nice everything was possible as I wanted. That is exciting and I was happy to learn all was setup as my desires imagined.

The ladies came in and it was amazing to see that from the moment they entered the hotel room everything was different than I asked for, discussed and confirmed. Nothing, , literally nothing was as was confirmed. What a disaster, I asked them to leave and that was a happy moment. Not to be bothered with people who do what they do different than you ask for.

Pity also for them as if they would have done what was promised. I definitely would have set more encounters with them. Just avoid them is what I suggest.[/QUOTE]Same same: was disgusting, been talk about here a while back, they talk all good stuff, then horrible, would not let me touch them in shower and so on that was the start I also asked them to leave, can't believe their still around.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435254]Closuresgoing to make any difference at all. In fact they'll want to charge more when things open again.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that. Typing from the phone early in the morning. I meant, closure are not going to make any difference.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435304]Sorry about that. Typing from the phone early in the morning. I meant, closure are not going to make any difference.[/QUOTE]The remaining girls in town will probably assume they deserve Combat Pay just for hanging around longer.

I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.

Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."

Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.

Guys who think extreme downturn conditions will turn better than average looking Thai girls into star providers for rock bottom prices are in for a surprise.

Only one fairly good looking "NO to bb!" girl I met online and briefly in person months ago and forgot all about has Lined me out of the blue with a change of heart about that "NO!" with me because she is freaking out that her regular day job employer is closing in 2 weeks.

That is one out of dozens. And it hasn't happened yet so it could easily be and probably is total bullshit.

Any suggestion of legit massage shop that will end up offering good HJ / BJ? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435107]It is not possible to just ask the girl if she fucks without a condom and or if CIP CIM is allowed, accept it's her right to say no and leave it at that.

OK I get the unacceptable bait and switch, agreeing to whatever and then refusing in the room and if the girl knew exactly what she agreed to which incidentally can easily get lost in translation then she deserves what comes her way.

That said this refrain that girls who don't do BB are somehow delinquent and almost should be ostracized is a totally f**ked up monger privileged state of mind.[/QUOTE]Totally agree! If you have to try to "trick" a girl into not using a condom and not being up front with her at the beginning then you are in the wrong hobby! That's some really sick fucked up shit!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2435317]The remaining girls in town will probably assume they deserve Combat Pay just for hanging around longer.

I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.

Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."

Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.

Guys who think extreme downturn conditions will turn better than average looking Thai girls into star providers for rock bottom prices are in for a surprise.

Only one fairly good looking "NO to bb!" girl I met online and briefly in person months ago and forgot all about has Lined me out of the blue with a change of heart about that "NO!" with me because she is freaking out that her regular day job employer is closing in 2 weeks.

That is one out of dozens. And it hasn't happened yet so it could easily be and probably is total bullshit.[/QUOTE]They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435347]They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".[/QUOTE]I kind of agree and disagree. When it comes to Thai thinking it is just backward as you noted nothing to do with the market. It is like when business is down charging more to make up for it kind like the same thinking now that establishment is closing with zero education in business or budgeting, in general, many just don't get it. I'm not saying guys should undercut them from 2500 to 500 baht sure some would but take something reasonable to make a sacrifice.

Many Thais think we are all rich when we are just like everyone else including Thais, at times in the conversation I joke when I bleed my blood is red just like Thais not green. I hear it all the time when prices go up they say give me more as if it doesn't affect us. Now there are guys like one of my cousins who run around telling every girl that wants to marry him he doesn't have any money yet he is at Starbucks 3 times a day and evening dinners average 2000 baht with these girls which just contradict not having any money!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435347]They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".[/QUOTE]I just walk if they don't take my offer of less. I say 1000 they want 2500 then might go to 1500 even but I stick to 1000 and walk if they don't want it. I always put them in a take it or leave it situation. Don't bother me if you can; t pay for food for your family or your rent or load for your phone. A few times I have walked by them again 2 hrs later they are still standing there. I give them the 1000 offer again most take it.

Just back from a mid afternoon wander from soi's 1 to 7/1 and from 8 to 2. Lots of closed doors but no problem getting a drink on Sukhunvit itself or on 8. Massage shops? , again some closed, no girls outside others but lights on inside and a few rub and tugs I inquired at were still operating albeit with fewer staff. Oddly both Lolita's and Kasalong were shuttered even though they don't strictly come under the massage shop qualification.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2434787]It could be months before Covid-19 is brought under control. What sort of economic carnage will it cause? How much longer can the bars stay open with trade so bad? And if bars close and remain closed for a while, will they ever reopen? Are there many bars resilient enough to survive this? Could the bar industry be reshaped forever? The bar industry is facing its darkest hour.[/QUOTE]But there will always be prostitution.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2435369]I just walk if they don't take my offer of less. I say 1000 they want 2500 then might go to 1500 even but I stick to 1000 and walk if they don't want it. I always put them in a take it or leave it situation. Don't bother me if you can; t pay for food for your family or your rent or load for your phone. A few times I have walked by them again 2 hrs later they are still standing there. I give them the 1000 offer again most take it.[/QUOTE]Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2435369] Don't bother me if you can; t pay for food for your family or your rent or load for your phone.[/QUOTE]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2435317]
I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.

Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."

Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.
[/QUOTE]Haha no surprise. They would rather take a loss rather than change the price. Though my luck was better, 2 of my regulars agreed to take less earlier this month. So some benefits of this whole bad situation.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2435449]Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.[/QUOTE]That's a good perspective. Many would on this forum including me pays a lot more than 1000, because I prefer hot chicks and they're just not so easily available for 1 k. But the market price should not be more than $30-50 in the first place, but tourists have just changed the game.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2435302]Same same: was disgusting, been talk about here a while back, they talk all good stuff, then horrible, would not let me touch them in shower and so on that was the start I also asked them to leave, can't believe their still around.[/QUOTE]Feel even bad for you too. Horrible how they are.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]+1.

Well stated. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435409]Just back from a mid afternoon wander from soi's 1 to 7/1 and from 8 to 2. Lots of closed doors but no problem getting a drink on Sukhunvit itself or on 8. Massage shops? , again some closed, no girls outside others but lights on inside and a few rub and tugs I inquired at were still operating albeit with fewer staff. Oddly both Lolita's and Kasalong were shuttered even though they don't strictly come under the massage shop qualification.[/QUOTE]Please stay healthy and not get infected virus.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]Why is it that some mongers try to rationalize over paying hookers, many will say she can charge whatever the market will bear, or its my money, ill pay what I want.

But then a millisecond the market makes the slightest shift possibly favoring the monger more and you see posts like this, asking for empathy or compassion for the greedy hookers.

Its almost like some mongers act as advocates for higher prices for the hookers? When? All the time.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I have ever met a P4P girl in Thailand who's food for herself, food for her family, a roof over her head or load for her phone really did depended on whether or not I paid her for sex.

I have certainly heard many of them pitch it that way to me. No shortage of that over the years. But whenever I have declined to go along with that pitch due to, say, their refusal to agree to anything close to what I would consider worth my time and money, they still show up on the scene or on my Line days or weeks later looking just as well fed, healthy and smiley as before, no reports of deaths in the family from starvation.

So I guess it never really was down to that dramatic "life or death, rent or no rent, phone load or no phone load but for my money" point after all.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]Really? Lookers in the scene are making tall coin. Most of them squander it. Yes, there are a few that save, but very few. And with the bad attitudes some develop along with preferring tourist they can extract more money from as opposed to residents and regulars, and maybe getting a bit less but reliable and steady, they kind of made their own bed, wouldn't you say? Because in a month or two when this is over and the tourists come back they will again avoid our glance, ignore us, etc. So why should we not take advantage when the situation is to our advantage? They do.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2435447]But there will always be prostitution.[/QUOTE]If they serve food they can remain open.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]I don't take advantage of the poor. I pay them a fair price for their services. Most times it is market value. They have the option to decline my offer and some do. I never put pressure on a girl to take my offer. I offer it they say yes or no and that's that. Whats not understood is how I have the right to refuse her offer also. There is no deal without both party agreements. I have no problems with them saying no to the offer, I just walk away and ask another girl pretty simple. When I say I don't care I mean I can't be held responsible for the state of this world and everyone in it. I am not responsible for the why a girl has to sell herself on the streets to feed her family in the 1st place. I don't have that kind of power to fix all the worlds poverty problems so I remain apathetic to it all. Now If given the power to influence things I could fix it all. BUT of course nobody gives a rats ass what I think so it is what it is.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2435449]Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.[/QUOTE]I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2435747]I don't take advantage of the poor. I pay them a fair price for their services. Most times it is market value. They have the option to decline my offer and some do. I never put pressure on a girl to take my offer. I offer it they say yes or no and that's that. Whats not understood is how I have the right to refuse her offer also. There is no deal without both party agreements. I have no problems with them saying no to the offer, I just walk away and ask another girl pretty simple. When I say I don't care I mean I can't be held responsible for the state of this world and everyone in it. I am not responsible for the why a girl has to sell herself on the streets to feed her family in the 1st place. I don't have that kind of power to fix all the worlds poverty problems so I remain apathetic to it all. Now If given the power to influence things I could fix it all. BUT of course nobody gives a rats ass what I think so it is what it is.[/QUOTE]Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.

All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."

[URL]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/[/URL]

For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ[/URL]

Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435812]Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.[/QUOTE]I put a very cute Thermae girl out of my room earlier tonight with 1,500 baht and I am sure I way overpaid for what she did. Wish I had only given her 1,000, maybe 500.

Thermae is closed but a few hopefuls still hang out at the door and steps. And by hopefuls I mean the only people standing outside of Thermae at about 9PM tonight were females. No customers other than me and an old Asian dude. Not even ladyboys as I recall. This very cute girl reached out when she saw me and said, "Take me with you. I like you." Hey, I liked her too. We had both seen each other there a few times before and a good vibe had passed between us.

There was no mention of how much, to do what or for how long. And, sorry, but I don't buy this "everybody knows what we're supposed to pay Thermae girls," thing. My opinion is when no money is discussed upfront OR what we will do in the room for her to earn any money at all, whether it's Thermae, on the street, in a go-go bar or in the fanciest, most expensive club in Bangkok, everybody is playing the cards as dealt to them and has no standing to whine about what winds up in their hand, figuratively and literally, in the hope of getting restitution.

A few steps away from the front of Thermae she asked me if I had a condom. I said I might have one in my room but if we must use a condom I will not be a good customer for you because I cannot use a condom, so, nice to meet you, bye. She said oh we can do something else, a blowjob (she was very fluent in English). I asked will she finish me inside her mouth. She said yes.

In the room, she had a beer and after we both showered, I gave her DATY, which she seemed to really enjoy. So much so that after she came a couple of times she moved around to give me a BJ as oral foreplay, smiled and said, "What do you want to do now? Up to you." Great. I said, "Well if it's up to me we boom boom right now." "Ok", she said with an even bigger smile, rolled over onto her back and opened her legs. Lovely. As I moved up to enter her she yelped, "NO! You must put CONDOM!"

As an aside, I don't get this move. So many Thai girls do this. They just heard me say and fully understood that I cannot use a condom and won't use one. We are naked on the bed licking and sucking each other. Nobody has produced a condom, set one aside, has one in his or her teeth, laid one on the bed, on the side table, nothing. They are a all hot and ready, say something like, "Ok, do what you want. Up to you." Then the moment my dick is within 2 inches of their pussy, they remember their supposed to say "NO! Must put CONDOM!" and we lurch into what would most certainly be another of the thousands of 15 minute conversations I've had about condoms while my erection leaves the room if I didn't quickly change the subject. WTF.

Anyway, so I say "Oh, sorry, you said "Do what I want, up to me." So that is what I wanted." "No problem," I said, "we can do that blowjob instead."

She started out ok but then quickly moved into another truly bizarre Thai girl phenomenon of suddenly not understanding what these simple English words mean: "Please don't go so fast. Please go slower."

I swear I must have gently told her, reminded her, repeated and repeated it for her 10-15 times over the course of about 10 minutes to please go slow, don't go fast. At one point early on I even stopped her to specifically clarify that I am not asking her to go slow to make her do this longer, since I suspect they go fast because their past experience tells them the guy cums faster the faster they do it. "I will finish quickly, within 3-4 minutes, if you go slow. But I might never finish even if you do this for 5 hours if you go that fast." You would think that would put the fear of god into them about going fast, which is always much more work for them anyway, instead of slow, which is very easy work for them.

But no.

It didn't make any difference to her. She was on cruise control to go jack hammer fast and not do it slowly. Five more minutes of her grimacing and struggling against fatigue because she was doing it so damn fast while any hope for my having an orgasm was being chased away in terror and I stopped her and said, "Ok, that's all. We're finished. I don't know how else to tell you to go slow and not fast. So, as I said, I will never finish like this. We might as well just stop now." She had been in my room about 30 minutes total.

She took a shower and got dressed. When she saw the overly generous 1,500 baht I left on the table next to her purse, she seemed quite puzzled and confused. She picked it up and examined the two notes at arms distance like they were loaded with coronavirus, looked at me and said, "What is this?" I said, "Honey, if we are ever together again and you give me a slow blowjob like I asked you to do it 10 or 15 times, which will make me finish in just 3-4 minutes, I will be happy to give you 2,500 baht. Or if we boom boom the way I said. But since you only did it too fast and not slow when I asked you so many times to please do it slow, I can only think you didn't WANT me to finish. And I won't pay 2,500 baht for that."

She understood, but she wasn't very happy about it. She must be used to doing the opposite of what her customers want and still getting 2,500, 3,000 or maybe more. But not with me. Typical Thermae girl way of thinking I guess. I opened the door and out she went. Of course, I seriously doubt that girl would ever go with me again. No great loss to me or to her, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2435909]All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."

[URL]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/[/URL]

For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ[/URL]

Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.[/QUOTE]LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.

My favorite destination in the world for our hobby, Germany, is now a p4p desert. The only country that seems to have a semblance of action right now is Thailand. However, no way I'm leaving home now. It is difficult to foretell when things will improve. Its a wait and see game.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2435917]LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.[/QUOTE]In my experience Thai people in most situations will answer yes instead of no as matter of course and odd as it may seem it is more a cultural norm than our definition of lying.

Just a thought but I wonder ET whether it would make sense for you to have a unambiguous written list in Thai / English of your needs instead of the a verbal exchange. Now visually it is almost comic to imagine doing the circuit in Thermae finding a cutie and handing her a piece of paper to read before the deal in done but it just might reduce the too often problem you seem to have back in the room.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2435997]My favorite destination in the world for our hobby, Germany, is now a p4p desert. The only country that seems to have a semblance of action right now is Thailand. However, no way I'm leaving home now. It is difficult to foretell when things will improve. Its a wait and see game.[/QUOTE]Really? Then things must be horrifically bad in Germany. Unless you mean the Thai girls who might still be in town and on Tinder, ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly, etc. Or maybe in Pattaya.

But these first two nights of closures in the red light districts of Bangkok have been like walking through a ghost town. Virtually no girls on the streets because there are virtually no customers on the streets either. Seriously, the only place I saw a small cluster of girls anywhere right after 9PM or so last night was in front of Thermae. And even in the most dire financial/low customer circumstances these girls have ever seen in their lives, it is highly unlikely any Thermae girl would deliver anything other than the most basic, boring, standard fare that wouldn't be worth near their going rate even at the popular height of the highest High Season.

In fact, the only reason those few Thermae girls still standing around out front are NOT concerned about getting a virus spread by droplet transmission is probably because they are already accustomed to making 2,500 - 3,000 baht without coming in contact with so much as one droplet of anything anyway.

In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.

The entire P4 P industry is about to get live training on how to survive without farang, Chinese / Japanese / Korean money and customers.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1882315/health-certificates-required-of-all-visitors[/URL]

Goes for the rest of the tourist industry.

[QUOTE=Catire;2436110]The entire P4 P industry is about to get live training on how to survive without farang, Chinese / Japanese / Korean money and customers.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1882315/health-certificates-required-of-all-visitors[/URL]

Goes for the rest of the tourist industry.[/QUOTE]Seems it extends to Thai citizens. Not untypical there is some confusion whether you require a negative test cert or just a not showing symptoms cert. Also a verification from your embassy is required. Kafka couldn't make this shit up.

[QUOTE=XXL;2436050]In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.[/QUOTE]Looks like the same as in 2009 when protesters blocked the airport for many weeks. On that time they also didn't give adjusted prices, not in hotel industry and not in the entertainment.

Shit just got real here!

[URL]https://covidtracker.5lab.co/en[/URL]

[QUOTE=XXL;2436050]In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.[/QUOTE]Its a question of who is desperate. If the customer is desperate for a holiday in these extraordinary situation, he needs to pay more. Both the girls and hotel may think, if they serve you in this crisis when others have shut shop, they might need extra remuneration. They run the risks. But on other hand, if the hotel / girl is in financial crisis and is extremely desperate, then we can see reducing in fee in normal / extraordinary situation. I see a lot of posts assuming the WG's are desperate and hence there would be price reduction. But till now I see only disappointment in most posts.

[QUOTE=XXL;2436050]In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.[/QUOTE]And offering discounts at this moment wouldn't result in rush of customers because no one is travelling. Most of the countries have banned international flights. I wouldn't be surprised if they implement domestic lockdown. Whats the use of offering a discount when no one would come? Its better for them to shut shop rather than have very few customers. When things limp back to normalcy, we might see some discounted prices for airlines / hotels and keep the fingers crossed for discounted WG prices: 0. Just my two cents.

Has anyone had issue with visa on arrival / evisa after you landed in Thailand?

Reason for asking is because I had an issue a week before. Right on the day of my travel visa on arrival had been stopped.

We raised priority e-visa from Thai embassy and was given. Airline checked and confirmed good for travel.

After we reached Bangkok, we were told visa on arrival including evisa is stopped. We were detailed and were sent back on next flight back home.

We were treated pretty bad with people who didn't even understand basic English.

Has anyone had any luck in getting any kind of refund from airline or embassy or anyone in similar situation?

We had both to and fro ticket which was adjusted for our travel back.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2436114]Looks like the same as in 2009 when protesters blocked the airport for many weeks. On that time they also didn't give adjusted prices, not in hotel industry and not in the entertainment.[/QUOTE]There will be stiff competition once things get normal. To fill up plane airlines will reduce fares and hotels will do the same to fill rooms. Till then they need to make money to function from existing customers.

As I understand it, the barrier to entry into Thailand is:

1. need health certificate within 72 hours of flight departure that you are clear of Covid19.

2. need medical insurance to cover covid19 and $100 k usd medical coverage.

3. mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks at novitel.

Is anyone still planning on traveling there once these go into effect, especially with everything being dead right now?

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2436237]As I understand it, the barrier to entry into Thailand is:

1. need health certificate within 72 hours of flight departure that you are clear of Covid19.

2. need medical insurance to cover covid19 and $100 k usd medical coverage.

3. mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks at novitel.

Is anyone still planning on traveling there once these go into effect, especially with everything being dead right now?[/QUOTE]Yep, that seems about right. Here are the rules per the Thai embassy. Not easy. I have no temptation to consider another trip until many things change.

[URL]https://thaiembdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/March-19-2020_CAAT_EN-2.pdf[/URL]

The Soi Cowboy, Sukhumvit, Nana Plaza areas were practically desolate last night after 11pm. There was a tiny sprinkling of small bars open here and there, none of the usual big names mentioned on these threads, apparently still open on the premise that they serve food too or, more to the point I suppose, are not packed tight with customers.

At that hour I only saw a few street girls, none if whom struck me as above a 6 in terms of looks, although it was difficult to know for sure with the streets as dark as they were.

It was creepy enough walking around my usual route with so little activity going on. I am sure it will be even creepier after a few more days of NO INCOME in the pockets of the rare bad guys these kind if tourist areas can attract even during good times, if you get my drift.

I was only out then because I had walked my latest regular non P4P girlfriend to bts Nana to bid farewell after a day and evening together. I would not consider sending a girl on her way alone on these streets at night these days, carrying a purse, obviously having left a hotel or apartment complex after a profitable "date" with a tourist or expat unless she was a hardened, experienced, street smart pro. And even then I would be inclined to at least make sure she gets into an auto taxi or onto a motorbike taxi safely enough.

In this case, my girl was a just turned 22 year old cutie who works as a professional model I met and began dating over a month ago. Looks young enough to get a lot of "Junior Miss" type fashion gigs, one of which she insisted I come along to watch yesterday. Comes from an upper middle class Thai family. Mom and Dad bought her a condo in the Phra Kanong area and she is not yet comfortable to go missing from there when Mom calls after midnight to check on how she's doing. Hense, the 11pm return to her place instead of sleeping over at mine.

She doesn't need the money but I still give her a token 500 - 1000 baht "for travel" to and from my apartment after we shatter the Social Distance virus transmission prevention recommendations having Real Sex because I think that helps to keep them from assuming more non pay-related emotional commitment than I am interested in juggling and dealing with for now.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435812]Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.[/QUOTE]I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.

And so it begins.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2436433]I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.[/QUOTE]I get it Streetlooker, you have your price and where you monger its available at that price, no issues, good luck and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.

I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.

There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.

1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.

2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.

3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2435749]I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.[/QUOTE]Truer words have rarely been spoken always easier to tip UP than fight down for a shit show!

PP.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2436902]Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.

I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.

There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.

Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.

Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.

But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.

What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2437087]I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.

Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.

Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.

But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.

What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.[/QUOTE]That's pretty much my price guideline also ET but some of our esteemed fellow co members feel this is way too much. They feel the girls, (hookers, WG) who take care of our needs are such worthless lazy illiterates that even the minimum wage of 300 baht a day is too much for their time. I also understand your consideration that service levels and delivery of what has been agreed should be a factor in what is paid. While we may not see eye to eye ET in what you need from the girls as best practice I agree with how you handle these situations. As always stay safe.

I just got a panicky Line message from a regular GF about this. So I did a Google Search and this came up:

Thailand to impose curfew, declare state of emergency after cabinet meeting; government sources say.
March 24, 2020
[URL]https://www.thaienquirer.com/9957/thailand-to-impose-curfew-declare-state-of-emergency-after-cabinet-meeting/[/URL]

For whatever reason, every link I found for it was glitchy and unstable. TIT

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2436902]Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.[/QUOTE]Many guys choose to ignore that truth. Talking to a chick I know here in Pattaya yesterday. She said she was tired of doing freelance. I suggested she do something else then. She said like what. I said any other normal job that people do.

She said no that is okay. I like doing this. She didn't say anything about how poor she was, anything about any circumstances she was in, anything about other jobs don't pay enough. She basically said I am not going to stop doing this easy ass shit.

I knew one chick working at the gogo and she told me she was doing it for the fast money. She said she already bought land back home and she was saving up to put a house on the land. She said as soon as she got that money she was going to move back home and start a business and chill. She finally did it and has not been back to Pattaya. I have met several chicks that have done the exact same thing. Again, nothing about circumstances.

Being here over the years I have seen chicks go from normal jobs to being hookers, and from hookers to doing normal jobs, and doing both at the same time. But I never see the girls making the excuses for themselves that some mongers make for them.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2436925]1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.

2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.

3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.[/QUOTE]Over 1000 massage shops in Patong, 5 to 10 girls per shop, gone over night. Everything closed. You can find an FL and a sex massage if you look and ask. They take you to their room or yours.

Stay home don't come to Phuket.

RL.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2436433]I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.[/QUOTE]A bit off subject but still cool. I lived in BK during the Vietnam War. Lowly airman but did have cheap apartment that I shared with a buddy. There was a coffee shop (not very far from the Ewarwan Hotel (probably spelled wrong) where the TV personalities and models and upper class went after normal work hours. We didn't go there but very seldom, too expensive, but the scenery was fantastic! One night with a buddy, he saw this 10+++ girl and started talking to her. He was trying to take her home but she was joking with him and told him that he couldn't afford her! And he sure didn't have a months salary to give her. Finally he told her that he would give her everything he had and proceeded to empty his wallet and empty his pockets and put it all on the table in front of her. It wasn't anywhere close to want she was asking, but she grabbed his hand and led the poor guy away. He had stars in his eyes for days!

Anyway, if you have enough game you might get some real bargains and some great surprises!

[QUOTE=MrClen;2437214]A bit off subject but still cool. I lived in BK during the Vietnam War. Lowly airman but did have cheap apartment that I shared with a buddy. There was a coffee shop (not very far from the Ewarwan Hotel (probably spelled wrong) where the TV personalities and models and upper class went after normal work hours. We didn't go there but very seldom, too expensive, but the scenery was fantastic! One night with a buddy, he saw this 10+++ girl and started talking to her. He was trying to take her home but she was joking with him and told him that he couldn't afford her! And he sure didn't have a months salary to give her. Finally he told her that he would give her everything he had and proceeded to empty his wallet and empty his pockets and put it all on the table in front of her. It wasn't anywhere close to want she was asking, but she grabbed his hand and led the poor guy away. He had stars in his eyes for days!

Anyway, if you have enough game you might get some real bargains and some great surprises![/QUOTE]I don't know about others, but with all the doom and gloom and lack of anything happening IRL, I personally welcome old war stories about girls of the past or recent conquests. Beats the fuck out of silence and corona virus updates! 😋.

A cute young friend I met on TF a few years ago told me her rather high end hotel is open, as are the beaches. But she's not a P4 P gal, amd considers me just a client for the hotel not for her. Perhaps if she hadn't met my wife already.

I'm reluctant to even fly domestically now because of the chance that the state of emergency shuts down flights.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2437204]Over 1000 massage shops in Patong, 5 to 10 girls per shop, gone over night. Everything closed. You can find an FL and a sex massage if you look and ask. They take you to their room or yours.

Stay home don't come to Phuket.

RL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2437558]A cute young friend I met on TF a few years ago told me her rather high end hotel is open, as are the beaches. But she's not a P4 P gal, amd considers me just a client for the hotel not for her. Perhaps if she hadn't met my wife already.

I'm reluctant to even fly domestically now because of the chance that the state of emergency shuts down flights.[/QUOTE]Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!

[URL]https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/curfew-on-tourists-foreign-and-thai-in-phuket[/URL]

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2437577]Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!

[URL]https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/curfew-on-tourists-foreign-and-thai-in-phuket[/URL][/QUOTE]Rio, the link doesn't work.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2437577]Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!

[URL]https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/curfew-on-tourists-foreign-and-thai-in-phuket[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow, that's more than inconvenient. I will write to her and ask again. The new domestic travel restrictions might prevent me from going anyway.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2437172]That's pretty much my price guideline also ET but some of our esteemed fellow co members feel this is way too much. They feel the girls, (hookers, WG) who take care of our needs are such worthless lazy illiterates that even the minimum wage of 300 baht a day is too much for their time. I also understand your consideration that service levels and delivery of what has been agreed should be a factor in what is paid. While we may not see eye to eye ET in what you need from the girls as best practice I agree with how you handle these situations. As always stay safe.[/QUOTE]I guess what is happening in my circle now is pretty much an example of "what the market bill bear" and, in a related way, "building better customer relations to survive during difficult times." Although I suspect you might strongly disagree with that latter way of putting it, Franciscass. And I understand your feelings about it. But this is what is happening right now, try as I might to overcome my baser instincts on the matter:

I have gotten dozens of out of the blue Line messages from previous P4P and non P4P contacts lately. Seriously, I have more pussy and mouths being thrown at me now than at any time over the past several years. And several new ones as well, regular girls off the dating sites whose mall shops and restaurants have been shuttered. Girls who have never freelanced or step foot on lower Sukhumvit from Soi 4 to Soi Cowboy.

Well, it turns out I can help 4-5 different girls per week earn enough money for them to cover their rent, electric, phone, public transportation and food in a month.

Guess which girls get the highest priority for this great good luck of an ongoing monthly survival income during these difficult times. Yep. The ones who kept their pussy shaved and delivered BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow to me. And it's the same requirement with any new ladies who wants a spot in the dugout and a chance at bat now or down the road.

The ones who gave me shit about any of that? Sorry, I've got no time for them. And no money for them. I suppose they can go to the airport and wait for the next incoming flight full of compliant potential customers who don't care about those kinds of things to arrive. It has turned out at least for now that decision on their part in the past has come back to bite them hard. According to their reaction to my declining the offer to see them now, that is.

Yes, I understand many will think this is a tough, unsympathetic approach to deciding which ones I will help with my time and my (also not exactly thriving all that great) money these days. But I really can't think of a way for me to contribute to the general economic welfare in this regard that will keep me contributing for a very long and with a proper attitude about it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2437869]I guess what is happening in my circle now is pretty much an example of "what the market bill bear" and, in a related way, "building better customer relations to survive during difficult times." Although I suspect you might strongly disagree with that latter way of putting it, Franciscass. And I understand your feelings about it. But this is what is happening right now, try as I might to overcome my baser instincts on the matter:

I have gotten dozens of out of the blue Line messages from previous P4P and non P4P contacts lately. Seriously, I have more pussy and mouths being thrown at me now than at any time over the past several years. And several new ones as well, regular girls off the dating sites whose mall shops and restaurants have been shuttered. Girls who have never freelanced or step foot on lower Sukhumvit from Soi 4 to Soi Cowboy.

Well, it turns out I can help 4-5 different girls per week earn enough money for them to cover their rent, electric, phone, public transportation and food in a month.

Guess which girls get the highest priority for this great good luck of an ongoing monthly survival income during these difficult times. Yep. The ones who kept their pussy shaved and delivered BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow to me. And it's the same requirement with any new ladies who wants a spot in the dugout and a chance at bat now or down the road..[/QUOTE]Yup I imagine this is the holy grail for you ET and as you say while in my opinion your needs are not best practice and to be clear more so for you rather than the girls (you having regular testing, vasectomy etc posing little risk to the girls) you're living the dream.

I am sticking to the girls I know who are still in Bangkok. Some changes though no kissing and limiting close up face time to a minimum. Makes for some odd shagging routines and sometimes it has us both laughing our heads off.

Like you while obviously not altogether altruistic it's nice to feel I am helping out and I usually throw in a little more than usual. On top I have been helping a few regulars who have gone home and while it's not a lot their genuine appreciation is indeed heartwarming even if the tight fisted peel an orange in their pocket skeptics believe I am being taking for a idiot.

Stay safe and healthy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2437869]I have gotten dozens of out of the blue Line messages from previous P4P and non P4P contacts lately.
[/QUOTE]Probably the same for many of us. I live in USA and over the last 2 weeks I've heard from 8 Thai girls, two of them date back to 2017. I chatted with the first 4, ignored the last 4. The first 4 wanted to see me, but 3 backed off when I told them I was away from Thailand (they all should have known). Only 1 asked directly for money.

Its a new world for everybody. The Thai P4 P and tourism industry is hurting as bad as any industry in the world.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2437889]Yup I imagine this is the holy grail for you ET and as you say while in my opinion your needs are not best practice and to be clear more so for you rather than the girls (you having regular testing, vasectomy etc posing little risk to the girls) you're living the dream.

I am sticking to the girls I know who are still in Bangkok. Some changes though no kissing and limiting close up face time to a minimum. Makes for some odd shagging routines and sometimes it has us both laughing our heads off.

Like you while obviously not altogether altruistic it's nice to feel I am helping out and I usually throw in a little more than usual. On top I have been helping a few regulars who have gone home and while it's not a lot their genuine appreciation is indeed heartwarming even if the tight fisted peel an orange in their pocket skeptics believe I am being taking for a idiot.

Stay safe and healthy.[/QUOTE]I can't say this situation has increased the number or percentage of new girls agreeing upfront to BBFS+CIP or a full and complete BJ for me. Not a Holy Grail event for me at all. I have only added a couple of new must see girls to my contact list who have done so, one minus the Swallow. Not a big issue or total deal killer by any means. I'll probably get around to her eventually. She just didn't make it to the Highest Priority list, that's all.

That kind of addition to the stable is no more than it normally was for me pre Covid-19. I am really focusing on the best girls for me who were already being repeated as favorites over the past few months. One goes back a couple of years of fairly regular repeats.

And then there are my 2-3 regular, non P4P girlfriends who, not the least surprising, are still refusing my money offers even though their regular jobs in shops, restaurants, malls and on photo shoots have been seriously negatively effected as well.

I get a sprinkling of messages from nearly forgotten girls in their outlying provinces now, good girls for me but who I haven't sessioned with for more than a year, who ask for "200 baht for food for my kids." Not mine. Lol. I'll transfer a bit more than that even though it is very likely I am one of 10-15 previous customers they contact for this every other day or whatever. No matter. There is a lasting heart-felt effect for getting relatively hassle-fee True GFE/Real Sex with these ladies that ought not go unappreciated even after the direct transaction was completed. Maybe I will taper off on that response over the next couple of weeks.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2438001]Probably the same for many of us. I live in USA and over the last 2 weeks I've heard from 8 Thai girls, two of them date back to 2017. I chatted with the first 4, ignored the last 4. The first 4 wanted to see me, but 3 backed off when I told them I was away from Thailand (they all should have known). Only 1 asked directly for money.

Its a new world for everybody. The Thai P4 P and tourism industry is hurting as bad as any industry in the world.[/QUOTE]And one has to wonder what the lasting effects will be. Will there be new regulations for venues? Will they use this outbreak as an excuse to crack down for good on P4 P? It remains to be seen. It certainly has changed my behavior. I've avoided the oilies for a few weeks even before things ramped up in Thailand as I knew many of the customers were Korean, Hong Kongers, etc. Also was not to keen on ST hotels then either. And as one with a sig other at home; my place is off. Been a long time without for me so far. Think it will be longer.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2438099]And one has to wonder what the lasting effects will be. Will there be new regulations for venues? Will they use this outbreak as an excuse to crack down for good on P4 P? It remains to be seen. It certainly has changed my behavior. I've avoided the oilies for a few weeks even before things ramped up in Thailand as I knew many of the customers were Korean, Hong Kongers, etc. Also was not to keen on ST hotels then either. And as one with a sig other at home; my place is off. Been a long time without for me so far. Think it will be longer.[/QUOTE]That's the most frustrating part, when does it get back to normal and what will that normal look like.

China and South Korea are the best exemplars of countries who are over their peaks but I keep hear more and more chatter about a so called second wave.

Personally I feel it will be at least mid-May earliest here before restrictions are lifted and then it will no more than a gradual easing.

I have to say this self-isolation is beginning to drag. While nowhere close to the reality I get a semblance of what doing time must feel like.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2438113]That's the most frustrating part, when does it get back to normal and what will that normal look like.

China and South Korea are the best exemplars of countries who are over their peaks but I keep hear more and more chatter about a so called second wave.

Personally I feel it will be at least mid-May earliest here before restrictions are lifted and then it will no more than a gradual easing.

I have to say this self-isolation is beginning to drag. While nowhere close to the reality I get a semblance of what doing time must feel like.[/QUOTE]I keep in contact with my nephew who works in the Health Department. When it comes to China and South Korea, they seem to have containment but without a vaccine or a real solution how to treat the virus at this time although a number of alternatives if they open things back up business, as usual, you might be back to square one? The reference has come up "second wave" the experts believe as warmer weather ahead like Flu the number start to drop but like Flu each year it comes back the hope by then there is a vaccine?

As for jail or doing time, have you done any well I have I can tell you "self-isolation" is nothing compared to doing time " self " means you aren't being forced if you cut gas you can open the window, doing time if Bubba your roommate does you got to suffer it out there is no window or anywhere to run to?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2438147]As for jail or doing time, have you done any well I have I can tell you "self-isolation" is nothing compared to doing time " self " means you aren't being forced[/QUOTE]I am about to take this chick home and go get me something to eat. Never heard someone doing time be able to say any of that.

Another chick told me that she was bored being inside. I told her she never goes out to do anything anyway, so what is the damn difference? She had to agree. She acts like she goes out to play golf or something on the regular.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2438147]I keep in contact with my nephew who works in the Health Department. When it comes to China and South Korea, they seem to have containment but without a vaccine or a real solution how to treat the virus at this time although a number of alternatives if they open things back up business, as usual, you might be back to square one? The reference has come up "second wave" the experts believe as warmer weather ahead like Flu the number start to drop but like Flu each year it comes back the hope by then there is a vaccine?

As for jail or doing time, have you done any well I have I can tell you "self-isolation" is nothing compared to doing time " self " means you aren't being forced if you cut gas you can open the window, doing time if Bubba your roommate does you got to suffer it out there is no window or anywhere to run to?[/QUOTE]Hi LittleBigMan,

No experts of any standing are saying warm weather will dispose of the virus. While respiratory in nature there the resemblance to a flu ends. That said as this is a novel strain and is not yet totally understood it is a possibility.

China while not back to where it was has experienced no local infections for about a week, those there are are imported, mostly returning Chinese students from the UK and US. Even in Wuhan they are allowing movement of people and stores are reopening.

A vaccine is by most expert opinion 18 months way I. E. Summer or autumn of 2021. More likely there will be some treatment before then, one possibility is the cloning of antibodies from recovered infected people.

As to self-isolation giving a semblance of what doing time is, of course it's nowhere near. I am free so essentially there is no comparison and I get it for anybody who has done time it is a nonsense to suggest I have the slightest idea what it is like. So my apologizes to anybody that has ever been banged up and taken offence, none was intended.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438151]I am about to take this chick home and go get me something to eat. Never heard someone doing time be able to say any of that.

Another chick told me that she was bored being inside. I told her she never goes out to do anything anyway, so what is the damn difference? She had to agree. She acts like she goes out to play golf or something on the regular.[/QUOTE]Mr E you are one of a kind, and I got to admit "you can't keep a good man down' suits you to a tee.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438151]I am about to take this chick home and go get me something to eat. Never heard someone doing time be able to say any of that.

Another chick told me that she was bored being inside. I told her she never goes out to do anything anyway, so what is the damn difference? She had to agree. She acts like she goes out to play golf or something on the regular.[/QUOTE]You are right with these chicks it is all mental, they haven't lost a damn thing except a reduction in their paycheck which is way different than losing your freedom. We come from the West we have so much of it we take it for granted so a bit of isolation is nothing as far as I'm concern. When you are locked up can't even go out and smell the air you don't realize what you lost until you are let out and walk out the door the fresh air! Even today I haven't forgotten the first time I was locked up the metal bars door slammed and made contact on the other end.

Although I live here before this I never worried about getting sex there were months I went without the extras because it was available everywhere and anytime now with much of the door being close I've noticed getting a bit hornier? Just the other day I was sitting right outside KFC with my brother and cousins there was a chick selling cosmetics across from where we were sitting face was an average older lady but she was wearing a mini-skirt, heels, legs not really shapely all I could think about was having those legs on my shoulder while I went to town.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2438186]Although I live here before this I never worried about getting sex there were months I went without the extras because it was available everywhere and anytime now with much of the door being close I've noticed getting a bit hornier?[/QUOTE]What door is being closed? If anything the doggie door has been replaced by an airplane hangar door. And it is wide ass open. I am so tired of chicks. And every day I plan to spend alone a new one pops up.

I was minding my own business last night at 1 am when a chick as cute as a button hit me up on Thai Friendly. I had told all of my chicks (free and paid) that I just wanted to be alone tonight and had made it half way through the night alone. But when I saw her I said shit, I might be dead tomorrow. I better get this pussy now! I told her I would be there in 10 minutes.

Before taking her home today I told her to tell her roommate I was about to bring her home and the roommate should be ready to come back with me. She said really? Now I have never seen the roommate or anything, but you know I like to talk shit.

So I dropped her off and handed her 1000 baht. She wanted to put the helmet in the back compartment. I told her to just keep it and give it to her roommate when she comes out. She said are you serious? She said you can take any girl, but you can not take my friend. I said why not? You have money now. You do not want your friend to get money too? She said no. I took the helmet from her and drove off laughing. She hit me later saying she missed me.

Its no brainier that many P4P girls are messaging now a days for money "urgently".

One problem I have is this:

If I try stay in touch with girls during my almost a year of absence from Thailand, girls pester for $ as soon as you message them more than a couple of times a year.

If you don't message them, they change numbers in a year and I have to rebuild my harem. Obviously this becomes too much work during the few days of holidays when I am Thailand.

How do guys manage to stay high and dry and still have enough contacts to depend upon?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2438099]And one has to wonder what the lasting effects will be. Will there be new regulations for venues? Will they use this outbreak as an excuse to crack down for good on P4 P? It remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]Impossible to know, but even before the outbreak, Farang oriented P4 P in Thailand has been a pale remnant of its former self, with most of the joy sucked out, no GFE, high prices and rather unappealing women (albeit in relatively high numbers). I feel that providers are bottom-of-the-bottom of Thai society; for instance, it was very hard to find a non-skanky girl with no tattoos or those ridiculous eyebrows. Demographics are not favorable either, with average age in Thailand now being over 40.

For the last few years, I've actually had more fun (on the low end) in unlikely places like Malaysia, Laos or Hong Kong than I did in Bangkok or Pattaya. Sure, the scene is bigger in Thailand and a few specialist places like Tulip or BJ bars offer a service not available elsewhere, but there's zero excitement; most of the decent girls have been around for 10+ years, and slowly declining in looks and dwindling in numbers.

For a long time, Thailand's P4 P scene has been living on fumes of its previous reputation. Even once Covid-19 is under control, up until a vaccine is widely deployed (mid-2021 at the earliest), we're not getting back to normal. Sex workers will still be a major vector of infection. International travel will be uncertain, with various frequently changing restrictions. Even without a big official crackdown, I think there's a fair chance this crisis will push the industry over the edge.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2438288]Impossible to know, but even before the outbreak, Farang oriented P4 P in Thailand has been a pale remnant of its former self, with most of the joy sucked out, no GFE, high prices and rather unappealing women (albeit in relatively high numbers). I feel that providers are bottom-of-the-bottom of Thai society; for instance, it was very hard to find a non-skanky girl with no tattoos or those ridiculous eyebrows. Demographics are not favorable either, with average age in Thailand now being over 40.
[/QUOTE]1000% agree. Thailand's p4 p scene has mostly 5-7's now. I haven't seen a single 7+ (very subjective and it keeps changing) in gogos or in any agency. 98% in massage shops are 5 at best. But I could have compromised but cost is also high. I have 2 regular who I consider 7 and I give them 3000 for couple of hour.

From what I have heard, the 8's and 9's who decide to do p4 p for easy money, usually don't meet tourists and prefer to have clientele of Thais and asians. And their fee is around 20-25 k per hour. Now I have only heard this and can't be sure.

Looks wise I enjoy S. Korea and Japan more in east asia, even though it's verg hard to get top layer of girls if you're not asian. But still the ones I get to meet was better than usual gogo girls.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2438346]1000% agree. Thailand's p4 p scene has mostly 5-7's now. I haven't seen a single 7+ (very subjective and it keeps changing) in gogos or in any agency. 98% in massage shops are 5 at best. But I could have compromised but cost is also high. I have 2 regular who I consider 7 and I give them 3000 for couple of hour.

From what I have heard, the 8's and 9's who decide to do p4 p for easy money, usually don't meet tourists and prefer to have clientele of Thais and asians. And their fee is around 20-25 k per hour. Now I have only heard this and can't be sure.

Looks wise I enjoy S. Korea and Japan more in east asia, even though it's verg hard to get top layer of girls if you're not asian. But still the ones I get to meet was better than usual gogo girls.[/QUOTE]I went to New Cleopatra around 2005 and although they let me into the place nobody would talk to me. I was ignored by the papasans, waiters and girls. I probably did not know the magic words or flash enough cash.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2438364]I went to New Cleopatra around 2005 and although they let me into the place nobody would talk to me. I was ignored by the papasans, waiters and girls. I probably did not know the magic words or flash enough cash.[/QUOTE]I had a different experience at the Lord massage in Bangkok, when it was open. I was treated well but their prices were really high. They are closed for good now, but I suggest you try Maria Entertainment.

Hi M,

Not being the Padre of the Thailand mongering mafia, I would only advance some recommendations (open to opposing ideas of course).

I am not for long term relationships as even your constant support of the lady is no guarantee that she will be absolutely yours truly, neither that she will promise to be present to please all your whims and fancy as-and-when you make a trip here! (unless she is planning to settle down with you, or you with her).

I personally recommend getting your exclusive M. Hobby Phone. I recommend installing your android or Google Google account with an alternative identity, with a complete new set of friends and contacts.

Please do not be-friend yourself by accident. You can just build up your contact base 3 weeks before your next trip through:

Applications:

Line.

Wechat.

Thaifriendly.

Tinder.

Date in Asia.

SA.

Facebook.

And then invite her to connect through:

WhatsApp.

Viber.

Facebook.

You should have quite a good stock of ladies before arriving in Thailand. This of course entails being quite industrious in making initial contact over a 3 weeks period, which is the down side. The up side is that you only pay as you "eat", when you "eat".

Just some thoughts, happy preparing.

Vic.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2438238]Its no brainier that many P4P girls are messaging now a days for money "urgently".

One problem I have is this:

If I try stay in touch with girls during my almost a year of absence from Thailand, girls pester for $ as soon as you message them more than a couple of times a year.

If you don't message them, they change numbers in a year and I have to rebuild my harem. Obviously this becomes too much work during the few days of holidays when I am Thailand.

How do guys manage to stay high and dry and still have enough contacts to depend upon?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438221]What door is being closed? If anything the doggie door has been replaced by an airplane hangar door. And it is wide ass open. I am so tired of chicks. And every day I plan to spend alone a new one pops up.

I was minding my own business last night at 1 am when a chick as cute as a button hit me up on Thai Friendly. I had told all of my chicks (free and paid) that I just wanted to be alone tonight and had made it half way through the night alone. But when I saw her I said shit, I might be dead tomorrow. I better get this pussy now! I told her I would be there in 10 minutes.

Before taking her home today I told her to tell her roommate I was about to bring her home and the roommate should be ready to come back with me. She said really? Now I have never seen the roommate or anything, but you know I like to talk shit.

So I dropped her off and handed her 1000 baht. She wanted to put the helmet in the back compartment. I told her to just keep it and give it to her roommate when she comes out. She said are you serious? She said you can take any girl, but you can not take my friend. I said why not? You have money now. You do not want your friend to get money too? She said no. I took the helmet from her and drove off laughing. She hit me later saying she missed me.[/QUOTE]Door closed, I don't mean for myself but in general! But as I noted things are pretty much mental? Today although people like you are getting more than you need the options are closing like the GoGo, which I like to go regularly for a after dinner drink and to cool off and just relax. The options of Soi 6, or massage places throughout Soi Baukhao or even my favority GC Kinnarree.

It has taken years for me to rid names off my phone with Line which is all I use in the past and today. The silence makes me happy! But make no mistake the door isn't completely closed.

[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2438379]I personally recommend getting your exclusive M. Hobby Phone. I recommend installing your android or Google Google account with an alternative identity, with a complete new set of friends and contacts.

You should have quite a good stock of ladies before arriving in Thailand. This of course entails being quite industrious in making initial contact over a 3 weeks period, which is the down side. The up side is that you only pay as you "eat", when you "eat".[/QUOTE]Why go through all of that when he could just tell the girls that he only gives money when he is there, or he can turn off the app's notifications or even mute the notifications of specific people.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2438364]I went to New Cleopatra around 2005 and although they let me into the place nobody would talk to me. I was ignored by the papasans, waiters and girls. I probably did not know the magic words or flash enough cash.[/QUOTE]I don't go way back to 2005, but my experience in soapies has been lame. First time it was fun, girl washing and all. But later I realized I just overpaid for taking a bath and boring sex. Mostly I have tried soapies in Pattaya and they're pretty bad service-wise because they mostly cater to tourists. For eg, honey 2 shop, which shows some pretty 7's sitting in front of you, smiling and all, but you can't talk to them or confirm the services. It's pretty mundane actually: bath, extremely mechanical massage (can't remember which comes first LOL), CBJ and then sex, ofcourse without kissing or BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2438161]No experts of any standing are saying warm weather will dispose of the virus. While respiratory in nature there the resemblance to a flu ends. That said as this is a novel strain and is not yet totally understood it is a possibility.

China while not back to where it was has experienced no local infections for about a week, those there are are imported, mostly returning Chinese students from the UK and US. Even in Wuhan they are allowing movement of people and stores are reopening.

A vaccine is by most expert opinion 18 months way I. E. Summer or autumn of 2021. More likely there will be some treatment before then, one possibility is the cloning of antibodies from recovered infected people.[/QUOTE]/ SARCASM ON.

You mean Donald Trump is not an expert source? I'm shocked, shocked...

/ SARCASM OFF.

A Chinese friend who was locked in for 6 weeks, only allowed out once every 3 days to buy supplies, had to sign out and in to her building, reports that she's free to be out and about now. The Chinese stepped hard after an initial fault, and succeeded. USA faltered out of the gate, and people will suffer the consequences... Grim.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2438288]Impossible to know, but even before the outbreak, Farang oriented P4 P in Thailand has been a pale remnant of its former self, with most of the joy sucked out, no GFE, high prices and rather unappealing women (albeit in relatively high numbers).[/QUOTE]As the old folks say, "By crackee, back in my day" (90's), easy to find an attractive girl in a gogo who WANTED to go LONG time rather than several short times. You could pull her, she'd show you a Thai club, a great local place to eat, more than happy to spend the night. If things worked out, she was more than willing to repeat, just give her the bar fine, she'd go pay the bar, and off you'd go again. My go-go days long gone (Cinderella Liberty now), but from what friends say, the preference of bar girls is several short times per night. But even these days, possible to find some gems... For me, that's part of the fun, panning for gold and seeing what you find... The thrill of the hunt.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2438464]I don't go way back to 2005, but my experience in soapies has been lame. First time it was fun, girl washing and all. But later I realized I just overpaid for taking a bath and boring sex. Mostly I have tried soapies in Pattaya and they're pretty bad service-wise because they mostly cater to tourists. For eg, honey 2 shop, which shows some pretty 7's sitting in front of you, smiling and all, but you can't talk to them or confirm the services. It's pretty mundane actually: bath, extremely mechanical massage (can't remember which comes first LOL), CBJ and then sex, ofcourse without kissing or BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Now Annies didn't have the greatest looking girls, but, for me, soaking in a hot tub while the girl scrubbed you, then slip-in-slide on a mattress, then off to the bed for more (of course, this was back in the day where 2 shots in 90 minutes was easy for me) , was well worth the price. Only ventured out to the full soapies a couple of times and was not impressed.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2438238]Its no brainier that many P4P girls are messaging now a days for money "urgently".

One problem I have is this:

If I try stay in touch with girls during my almost a year of absence from Thailand, girls pester for $ as soon as you message them more than a couple of times a year.

If you don't message them, they change numbers in a year and I have to rebuild my harem. Obviously this becomes too much work during the few days of holidays when I am Thailand.

How do guys manage to stay high and dry and still have enough contacts to depend upon?[/QUOTE]I use Line and have found a girl won't switch their Line. While they might change their mobile number, they can transfer the Line to the new number. Same with WeChat. I've learned (after numerous "forgets") to get the Line number for an excellent provider. Perhaps it's another benefit of preferring mature seasoned providers. They've built a house; they understand that requests for money are futile, so don't; and are more than willing to keep up the contact for the potential repeat business. My experience, anyway.

Opinions on future societal changes coming from this unprecedented upheaval in the way we live and interact are fascinating. In the P4P world I feel it is likely that both providers and buyers will have discovered the benefits of finding partners on line. No doubt bars clubs oilies go gos etc will continue but when punters have through necessity now discovered that on line hook ups are available, cheaper and perhaps more satisfying why go through the expensive, lady drinks, bar fine routine to get laid. Seeing the goods will always be important but from lots of recent posts this channel when gotten used to would appear to work quite well. Hell I might even sign up to a couple of sites after I post this.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2438288]Impossible to know, but even before the outbreak, Farang oriented P4 P in Thailand has been a pale remnant of its former self, with most of the joy sucked out, no GFE, high prices and rather unappealing women (albeit in relatively high numbers). I feel that providers are bottom-of-the-bottom of Thai society; for instance, it was very hard to find a non-skanky girl with no tattoos or those ridiculous eyebrows. Demographics are not favorable either, with average age in Thailand now being over 40.

For the last few years, I've actually had more fun (on the low end) in unlikely places like Malaysia, Laos or Hong Kong than I did in Bangkok or Pattaya. Sure, the scene is bigger in Thailand and a few specialist places like Tulip or BJ bars offer a service not available elsewhere, but there's zero excitement; most of the decent girls have been around for 10+ years, and slowly declining in looks and dwindling in numbers.

For a long time, Thailand's P4 P scene has been living on fumes of its previous reputation. Even once Covid-19 is under control, up until a vaccine is widely deployed (mid-2021 at the earliest), we're not getting back to normal. Sex workers will still be a major vector of infection. International travel will be uncertain, with various frequently changing restrictions. Even without a big official crackdown, I think there's a fair chance this crisis will push the industry over the edge.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more with all your points. The scene in Thailand has been in decline for quite some time. Of course there are new (by new I mean people who have been mongering in Thailand for less than a decade) folks around that have nothing to compare it to. And yes, I'm afraid this will be another tipping point and the biggest tipping point at that. This pandemic will change everything. It is the biggest event since WWII, and will lead to changes in every aspect of life. I don't think we will see a Roaring 20's style environment when this is over like we did at the end of WWI and the Spanish Flu. On the contrary, I think it will usher in an era of more conservative behavior. Changes for our hobby will be massive both from the provider and from customers. Working gals seeing men from all over the planet are the perfect vectors. Will we ever feel comfortable in an oily room again knowing how poorly they are cleaned? Will they even be allowed to re-open in their current form? For sure there will be a "new normal" and it will not be one that long time mongers will like.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2438464]I don't go way back to 2005, but my experience in soapies has been lame. First time it was fun, girl washing and all. But later I realized I just overpaid for taking a bath and boring sex. Mostly I have tried soapies in Pattaya and they're pretty bad service-wise because they mostly cater to tourists. For eg, honey 2 shop, which shows some pretty 7's sitting in front of you, smiling and all, but you can't talk to them or confirm the services. It's pretty mundane actually: bath, extremely mechanical massage (can't remember which comes first LOL), CBJ and then sex, ofcourse without kissing or BBBJ.[/QUOTE]It was before the MRT was built so it was expensive to get to New Cleopatra from Sukhumvit. New Cleopatra was supposedly where all the Thai Penthouse models were located which was why I went. I was the only caucasian in the place.

In the early 2000's there was only one oily that was available. Barons Barber Shop maybe? I enjoyed the soapies back in the day. Chayo Phraya 2 was the one for me that had the highest mileage in terms of sex service. I even got great service at Cupidy and Mona Lisa which was where all the taxi drivers took you to get their kickback and everybody recommended avoiding.

Now I think the oilies are better. I try to find the ones popular on G Diary to get the best service.

But even today if you are caucasian and go to Thanon Thaniya street you will be ignored. Or at least that was the case eight to ten years ago.

I happened to be in Bangkok in May 2003 the day they tore down the Clinton Plaza. That was my real hang out. I would stay at the Grand President on Soi 11 and take the Go Go dancers from Clinton Plaza. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Plaza[/URL] The Grace Hotel coffee shop was the after-hours spot.

I guess I need to get to Bangkok again. My brother used to live there so I would go quite often.

I apologize for reminiscing. I know it doesn't help anybody looking for current action. I am in a county that is fairly locked down this weekend.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2438288]............ Even once Covid-19 is under control, up until a vaccine is widely deployed (mid-2021 at the earliest), we're not getting back to normal. Sex workers will still be a major vector of infection. International travel will be uncertain, with various frequently changing restrictions. Even without a big official crackdown, I think there's a fair chance this crisis will push the industry over the edge.[/QUOTE]Vaccine? SARS which is similar to covid 19 came about 16 years ago and a vaccine has not been developed for it. In that case according to your logic we will not get back to how things were before for a very long time. What is ironic is that the virus apparently started in China but its epicenter appears to settle in the US with infected individuals growing exponentially with no end in sight. Will Americans become the pariah of p4p avoided by working girls worldwide? Will that be the change we can look forward to?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2438568]Vaccine? SARS which is similar to covid 19 came about 16 years ago and a vaccine has not been developed for it. In that case according to your logic we will not get back to how things were before for a very long time. What is ironic is that the virus apparently started in China but its epicenter appears to settle in the US with infected individuals growing exponentially with no end in sight. Will Americans become the pariah of p4p avoided by working girls worldwide? Will that be the change we can look forward to?[/QUOTE]Yes, the end is in sight. In the US the virus will peak in mid-April and cases will be at zero in June or July. SARS vaccine was in development but funding was cut. Still, I don't think we will ever get back to the way things were before. This is a game changer even though the number of deaths will not even reach the total of the HK flu in 68-69 that killed over a million worldwide.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2438584]Yes, the end is in sight. In the US the virus will peak in mid-April and cases will be at zero in June or July. <snip> Still, I don't think we will ever get back to the way things were before. This is a game changer .... [/QUOTE]I sure hope you are right about the peak in mid-April, but that date might turn out to be a tad optimistic. No one knows for certain. In the meantime anybody who is somebody in the healthcare industry is looking & testing for a cure. Maybe Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Azithromycin will prove effective in the short run while we wait for a vaccine which is most likely a year or more away.

As to whether things ever get back to pre-Corona times in Thailand, sadly, that is anybody's guess. The most optimistic scenario is that Corona cases peak in mid-April like you say and by the middle of June Thailand is back in business. The girls come back and are dying for cash, the bars reopen and are desperate for customers, and the Thai Government decides to stay out of it. Meanwhile on the demand side: tourists still reeling from their respective home country's recessions do not come back in large numbers until Dec 2020/ Jan 2021 at the earliest. Under this most optimistic scenario Thailand enters a brief summer / fall renaissance for those ex-pats and early return travelers that venture forth. But who knows?

A much more pessimistic scenario goes something like this: the Pandemic does not end until a vaccine is widely distributed in mid 2021. Long before that date the world Economies fall into devastating depressions. By the time Thailand is back open for business there are relatively few takers left. In fact it might take years for the tourist numbers to return to pre-Cornona numbers. This might prove to be a great opportunity for those still flush with cash, but many bars and bordellos will go bankrupt and never return and at any time the Thai Government might decide to intervene and close down the remaining P4P tourist business once and for all. Again, no one knows what is going to happen. All I know is whoring has been around since the dawn of the human race. In one form or another it will most likely survive in Thailand after the Corona. But whether it stays in the bars & massage shops where I like it or moves elsewhere, most likely to the internet, or goes underground is anybody's guess. We will just have to wait and see.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2438584]Yes, the end is in sight. In the US the virus will peak in mid-April and cases will be at zero in June or July. SARS vaccine was in development but funding was cut. Still, I don't think we will ever get back to the way things were before. This is a game changer even though the number of deaths will not even reach the total of the HK flu in 68-69 that killed over a million worldwide.[/QUOTE]I remember the big hullabaloo over the Hong Kong flu, it was nothing like this, this is much much worse, at least the reaction to it so far. Unfortunately Dr. Anthony Fauci seems to be a much saner voice than Trump. Dr. Fauci said today that the United States deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2438706]I remember the big hullabaloo over the Hong Kong flu, it was nothing like this, this is much much worse, at least the reaction to it so far. Unfortunately Dr. Anthony Fauci seems to be a much saner voice than Trump. Dr. Fauci said today that the United States deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases.[/QUOTE]He stated that between 100 and 200 k in a worse case scenario. I much more inclined to listed to Dr. Birx. There are 2. 8 million deaths in America every year. 100 k is a little over a 2% increase. And that is worse case scenario. The HK flu killed between 1 and 1. 5 million in 68-69. There are 60% more people on the planet now. Numbers for this would have to reach 2. 5 or more to equal the percentage killed by the HK flu. I don't think we are gong to get anywhere near that. But we are going to ruin the lives of hundreds of millions of people with the measures that are being taken. If this virus was killing the young like the Spanish Flu did, I would see the cause for alarm. So will this be the response for every new "possible" pandemic? Lock things down? What freedoms will we lose this time? More that after 9/11? How will travel be restricted?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2438609]I sure hope you are right about the peak in mid-April, but that date might turn out to be a tad optimistic. No one knows for certain. In the meantime anybody who is somebody in the healthcare industry is looking & testing for a cure. Maybe Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Azithromycin will prove effective in the short run while we wait for a vaccine which is most likely a year or more away.

As to whether things ever get back to pre-Corona times in Thailand, sadly, that is anybody's guess. The most optimistic scenario is that Corona cases peak in mid-April like you say and by the middle of June Thailand is back in business. The girls come back and are dying for cash, the bars reopen and are desperate for customers, and the Thai Government decides to stay out of it. Meanwhile on the demand side: tourists still reeling from their respective home country's recessions do not come back in large numbers until Dec 2020/ Jan 2021 at the earliest. Under this most optimistic scenario Thailand enters a brief summer / fall renaissance for those ex-pats and early return travelers that venture forth. But who knows?

A much more pessimistic scenario goes something like this: the Pandemic does not end until a vaccine is widely distributed in mid 2021. Long before that date the world Economies fall into devastating depressions. By the time Thailand is back open for business there are relatively few takers left. In fact it might take years for the tourist numbers to return to pre-Cornona numbers. This might prove to be a great opportunity for those still flush with cash, but many bars and bordellos will go bankrupt and never return and at any time the Thai Government might decide to intervene and close down the remaining P4P tourist business once and for all. Again, no one knows what is going to happen. All I know is whoring has been around since the dawn of the human race. In one form or another it will most likely survive in Thailand after the Corona. But whether it stays in the bars & massage shops where I like it or moves elsewhere, most likely to the internet, or goes underground is anybody's guess. We will just have to wait and see.[/QUOTE]Pandemics don't tend to behave like your pessimistic outlook. Left alone, they tend to go up and then down. The issue with this is not the death rate, it's the need for hospital beds for which many nations are ill-prepared. My guess is internet will be the main stay. Sadly, I don't find that so interesting.

Thailand has 60 road deaths / day, not counting the wounded, and they're not elderly people. Even multiplying Thai official figures by ten you don't come close to that.

Meanwhile some European countries have decided to scuttle themselves to prevent people who would have died at the age of 83 from dying at the age of 81. Note that the same countries were preparing to cripple their economies to "save the climate" anyway. Since the coronavirus doesn't thrive in humid climates, the climate savers could adopt it as their emblem.

African countries where malaria kills 300 thousand every year and other tropical diseases another 300 thousand are starting to implement lockdowns and hardening dictatorships. Picture NGOs and relief agencies rubbing their hands at the juicy new corona scams they're going to pull. Aids was getting boring. This comes at the right time.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2438706]I remember the big hullabaloo over the Hong Kong flu, it was nothing like this, this is much much worse, at least the reaction to it so far. Unfortunately Dr. Anthony Fauci seems to be a much saner voice than Trump. Dr. Fauci said today that the United States deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases.[/QUOTE]Where we are on the curve and what the shape of the curve is or will be is different for different countries. For the US the expected 100,000 to 200,000 deaths is accepted now even by dragged to the alter Trump compared to just thousands at present. This shows what's ahead. Its just beginning. Same in the UK. China, South Korea are further along the curve with a return to a semblance of normality already happening.

Thailand? . So hard to know with any certainty where we are. Have we been incredibly fortunate to have avoided high incidences of infection and deaths or is it something else. Lets hope it's the former.

In my opinion the future equilibrium of P4P will change with more on line connections and fewer punters for the foreseeable future.

Those girls that went off the grid going back home will soon start getting bored with life in the villages and small towns and slowly restrictions notwithstanding start returning to the where there might be some action. It is said there is no supply and demand pricing in the P4P world. Umm lets wait and see.

Lots of venues will change hands, get sold cheaply to operators with cash which will create a more concentrated ownership structure where possibly prices will go up. The go go segment most notably in Cowboy and Soi 6 are examples of how this was already happening.

Its interesting to see we still have science deniers about what this pandemic is all about and with what will be in time although I wouldn't be around to see it more disastrous and destructive I. E. Climate change.

Visited years ago and wasn't that impressed the girls or prices, I don't remember how much I spent on the club girls, but I think it was over $100 US.

There was a room in the back of the gogo club where we spent about 30 minutes.

I had cheaper experiences with local girls from bars that I took back to my room and paid (if I remember) about $20 US for the whole night.

Can anyone update me on current prices in Bangkok and Pattaya?

1. In the club (some room in the back or upstairs).

2. at your hotel.

I just watched a couple of Youtube vids and the mamason was quoting 600 Baht for takeout and another 3000 Baht for 1 shot!

Is this for real, more than Germany FKK?

I'm a multiple times a year visitor to German and Swiss FKKs so I'm familiar with those prices.

[QUOTE=XXL;2438736]Aids was getting boring. This comes at the right time.[/QUOTE]I've got exactly the same feeling.

Every ten or twenty years there's a new dangerous and contagious disease that pops up from nowhere.

Each time we got accustomed to the newest disease we're going to see a new one popping up.

First it was Aids, then Sars / Mers and now Covid19.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2438744]Where we are on the curve and what the shape of the curve is or will be is different for different countries. For the US the expected 100,000 to 200,000 deaths is accepted now even by dragged to the alter Trump compared to just thousands at present. This shows what's ahead. Its just beginning. Same in the UK. China, South Korea are further along the curve with a return to a semblance of normality already happening.

Thailand? . So hard to know with any certainty where we are. Have we been incredibly fortunate to have avoided high incidences of infection and deaths or is it something else. Lets hope it's the former.

In my opinion the future equilibrium of P4P will change with more on line connections and fewer punters for the foreseeable future.

Those girls that went off the grid going back home will soon start getting bored with life in the villages and small towns and slowly restrictions notwithstanding start returning to the where there might be some action. It is said there is no supply and demand pricing in the P4P world. Umm lets wait and see.

Lots of venues will change hands, get sold cheaply to operators with cash which will create a more concentrated ownership structure where possibly prices will go up. The go go segment most notably in Cowboy and Soi 6 are examples of how this was already happening.

Its interesting to see we still have science deniers about what this pandemic is all about and with what will be in time although I wouldn't be around to see it more disastrous and destructive I. E. Climate change.[/QUOTE]You have a somewhat optimistic perspective. I hope you are right.

I have a different view. I believe the impact of covid 19 will affect different regions differently.

I believe that the scene in Europe will be changed forever. I love pursuing our hobby in Germany and I am so happy that I decided to do winter punting there for the first time ever in that time of year as I doubt we will ever see FKKs again and at least I have fond memories of January, February, March, 2020. The conservative elements in Europe are strong and it would be very difficult for the advocates of P4P there to persuade the authorities to get back into the business of body to body contact. Again, I hope I am wrong.

I see things taking a different route in Latin America. Our favorite destinations there, Mexico, Colombia, the Dominican Republic and Brazil depend heavily on tourism and their economies will take a severe hit by the onslaught of the virus. I think as soon as there is a let up in the casualties those countries will want to open up as soon as possible with activities that encourage tourism back in full swing. As a matter of fact blokes are still mongering in Mexico as I am typing this.

Asia will be different from the aforementioned. It will lie somewhere in between in not closing down entirely like Europe but not as 'back to business' as Latin America. How much of a decline in p4p in Asia there will be I find it hard to predict. However, Asians are much more prone to clamping down on p4p than Latin Americans. Look at Singapore, Malaysia and China, where p4p is just a shadow of what it once was. Who is to say that the same can't happen in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2438770]There was a room in the back of the gogo club where we spent about 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]I am not aware of any Pattaya gogo bar that still has rooms in the club. The last ones I knew were a well known dirty gogo but the rooms got shut down after a bust around 3 years ago. There was another very popular gogo bar right on Walking Street that had rooms upstairs that very few knew about. Both gogo bars still popular and open but neither has rooms any more. A BKK expert can chime in about BKK gogo bars.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4223280/British-tourist-caught-bed-prostitute.html

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2438770]I just watched a couple of Youtube vids and the mamason was quoting 600 Baht for takeout and another 3000 Baht for 1 shot!

Is this for real, more than Germany FKK?.[/QUOTE]Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars. Cheaper in BKK gogo bars but I still don't think top gogo bars are as low as 600 baht BF. 3600 baht would be 100 euro. Cheaper than Germany FKK? Not really if you count the 70 euro to get in to a FKK like Oase, then 50 euro for half the time with no BBBJ or DFK or a 50 euro upcharge. That is still for 1 shot in most cases. What FKK has going for it is drinks and half decent food are free and you can spend on entire day there from noon til well beyond midnight.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2438893]Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars. Cheaper in BKK gogo bars but I still don't think top gogo bars are as low as 600 baht BF. 3600 baht would be 100 euro. Cheaper than Germany FKK? Not really if you count the 70 euro to get in to a FKK like Oase, then 50 euro for half the time with no BBBJ or DFK or a 50 euro upcharge. That is still for 1 shot in most cases. What FKK has going for it is drinks and half decent food are free and you can spend on entire day there from noon til well beyond midnight.[/QUOTE]I prefer FKK more than gogos, and like you said food plus multiple shots in a day are good perks. If someone is going to have just one shot, it might not be that different from gogos money wise. But I like having multiple shots over a day with different type of girls and then it becomes lot less expensive.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2438893]Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars. [/QUOTE]What a rip off.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2438933]I prefer FKK more than gogos, and like you said food plus multiple shots in a day are good perks. If someone is going to have just one shot, it might not be that different from gogos money wise. But I like having multiple shots over a day with different type of girls and then it becomes lot less expensive.[/QUOTE]Really it's not so much about the girls of even price (for me). For a day of fun and relaxation FKK cannot be beat. Fuck, sauna, fuck, massage, fuck, eat, fuck, sleep, fuck. Nothing worldwide comes close for a complete body experience. Want to feel true GFE where you believe it? Or see 150 7-9's in one club? Can't beat Sao Paulo Brazil. Epic neon and more girls per square mile than anywhere else on earth then Thailand. Want to not only fuck the Gogo girls but also the waitress, barmaids, and hostesses? Moscow! Want to fuck a Romanian stunner in her own bed in her studio apt? London baby!

To me you can get pretty girls anywhere in the world. It's the variety of formats and venues that are so fun for me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2438983]Really it's not so much about the girls of even price (for me). For a day of fun and relaxation FKK cannot be beat. Fuck, sauna, fuck, massage, fuck, eat, fuck, sleep, fuck. Nothing worldwide comes close for a complete body experience. Want to feel true GFE where you believe it? Or see 150 7-9's in one club? Can't beat Sao Paulo Brazil. Epic neon and more girls per square mile than anywhere else on earth then Thailand. Want to not only fuck the Gogo girls but also the waitress, barmaids, and hostesses? Moscow! Want to fuck a Romanian stunner in her own bed in her studio apt? London baby!

To me you can get pretty girls anywhere in the world. It's the variety of formats and venues that are so fun for me.[/QUOTE]I don't like all the constant pressure to buy drinks, drinks, drinks at some of the go-go clubs in places like Thailand and the Philippines. Don't get me wrong, I like to toss a few back. But, I typically don't like to drink to drunkenness. Can happen easily in those damn go-go bars! I don't like getting drunk, and I don't want the girl to be drunk either when I fuck her. Makes for a "lesser fuck".

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2438770]...

Can anyone update me on current prices in Bangkok and Pattaya?

1. In the club (some room in the back or upstairs).

2. at your hotel.
...
[/QUOTE]By "current prices", are you talking about during this Covid-19 lockdown? If so, there are no clubs, go-go bars, beer bars or happy ending massage shops open currently in Bangkok that I know of. However, the guys with the color brochures showing a soapie or fish tank venue they want to take you to are still present at certain times during the day. So maybe some of those are still operating, secretly or otherwise.

As for "at your hotel", if you mean freelancers, I can only report some FLs on the dating sites are still starting out at 3,000 baht for ST. LOL. I have not hit up those for a real appointment for Real Sex, but I assume I can talk them down from that rate these days.

I ran into a past favorite FL in one of the malls that was still open for limited take-out food from a few of their little restaurants and the Gourmet Market a couple of days ago. In the past, as recently as less than 2 years ago, she never budged from 2,000 ST, 5,000 LT. This time she said, "1,000 ST or LT, up to you, whatever you want." On the way to my room, I got a Line message from a better than average looking FL I met for the first time a few weeks ago but did not take because she was adamant about No bareback sex. Fine. Otherwise, at that time she was stuck on 1,500 baht for basic, standard fare of covered FS, which was of no interest to me at all. But this time her Line message was, "I'm hungry. 500 baht, anything you want. Or free, just for dinner. Can we meet?"

I haven't had time to get back to that one except to ask hours later if she ever did get something to eat. She did.

Anyway, those are some of the "current prices" I have been quoted from girls in Bangkok who would go to your hotel room without meeting them in a bar or club that isn't open these days.

As an aside, the principle that the better looking girls in any group or venue are the ones most likely to give you a Thermae-style cold shoulder and even more likely to give you lousy service prevails during these times as well. Yesterday, I was walking back to my room, perhaps one of the only potential customers on the scene for as far as the eye can see, and passed by 7-8 street girls. All but the 2-3 girls who might rate higher than a 6 in looks reached out, smiled, said something or responded to my smile and "Hello/Sawatdee Khrup."

The 2-3 better looking ones who might actually be (closed) Thermae refugees desperate to see it they can scrounge up a customer on the street these days, totally ignored me as I passed by, did not smile back at me after I smiled at them, did not utter a word of response to my Hello, nothing. LOL. Just as if they were still standing in Thermae waiting for a stray Asian customer to pass by on these otherwise desolate streets. Amazing. Well, I suppose it is comforting to know certain traditions never fade.

In daytime there are some talen on sukumvit around mcdonald"s want about 500 to 1000 bht st. No balloon. In evening up to thermea want 1000 bht but nicer looking, more need balloon. Soi 4 has some girls now in late afternoon. The ones there at night are low quality as far as I am conserned, but go for 500 to 1000st. I am going to see what China town is like.

[QUOTE=Lee66;2439024]In daytime there are some talen on sukumvit around mcdonald"s want about 500 to 1000 bht st. No balloon. In evening up to thermea want 1000 bht but nicer looking, more need balloon. Soi 4 has some girls now in late afternoon. The ones there at night are low quality as far as I am conserned, but go for 500 to 1000st. I am going to see what China town is like.[/QUOTE]I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles) while a terrifying global pandemic rages exponentially all around you. Hmmm, this must be what the pundits refer to thinking with your little (dick) heads! You guys are real certified corona studs. Need I add: Stay safe??

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2439027]I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles) while a terrifying global pandemic rages exponentially all around you. Hmmm, this must be what the pundits refer to thinking with your little (dick) heads! You guys are real certified corona studs. Need I add: Stay safe??[/QUOTE]If you were here on the scene I don't think you would find any FLs who appear underfed or truly desperate. Just smiley (unless they rate 6+ in looks) and reaching out or speaking as usual. Even the one(s) who claim to be offering whatever because they are hungry seem to be able to find a meal ticket somewhere without my forcing them to do anything at all. Nobody is a bowl of noodles away from starvation here. But I think some are really annoyed that they don't have a spare 200 baht for a Line top up at 7-11 as handy as they're used to having it. And, believe it or not, some of my past regulars are just lonely and bored sitting in their room with no place to go and no reason to go out unless it is to come over and stay with me.

As far as your post subject title goes, I don't think anyone dodges exposure to Coronovirus in the least by wearing a condom once you are naked in the same room and rolling around in the same bed 10 other punters and/or P4P girls used in the past few days. I am not aware that it even enters your body through a peehole or endangers you that way, does it? Isn't it a respiratory system ailment? Ah, maybe if she touches her vagina with a contaminated hand or clothing before I DATY or if she gives me a BJ under those same circumstances.

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2439027]I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles) [/QUOTE]Where are you guys getting it from that people around here are desperate and starving? 500 baht ST was the normal price before tourists came fucking it up. Now that the tourists are gone, I see it as prices going back to normal.

I paid 40 baht for a bowl of chicken and noodles at a noodle restaurant the other day. So 500 baht would get a person 12 meals. 2 nights ago I stayed at a chick's place in Pattaya where they had a sign up, "Monthly Rental 2,500 baht". Keep things in perspective. Living here is not nearly expensive as it is where we are from, yet somehow P4P prices get jacked up.

Like ET, all the messages I am receiving from chicks are saying they are bored. I have not received 1 message from a chick saying they were on the street starving.

I've long stopped debating with people here or anywhere as to what they want to pay or whether they should or shouldn't go bareback. I've myself lost control and done it myself but that was a long long time ago.

My first wife was in the health and political industry in a major city on the west coast some consider it the epic center of Hiv / Aids, I remember my rank and file job in the early '80's being a seniority position I was shocked how fast I was moving up since many were just dying off or transferring out. During those early years through her, I met and saw the sign of Aids through education from her I never discriminated against any of my co-workers and I've heard it enough times if I catch it I catch it and when they did it wasn't pretty.

Living here a number of years back I was seeing a regular older provider she was from Bangkok originally and tagged along once a week when I traveled from Pattaya to Bangkok to play some sports. One trip we met up with her younger sister for dinner through the dinner I was just told she is " mai Sabai " I know the signs so I spoke up and ask her the response was dead silence from both of them and then a reply how did I know?

That night shock me to the core the stories I heard from her and other providers she knew had me shaking my head. She and friends of her felt lost outcast no money no resources and with their little education which breeds ignorance, she was working freelancing even going bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back. I was told there were girls from Pattaya coming to Bangkok to work and Bangkok to Pattaya and guess what she and some of her friends were working on Sukhumvit and T.

Thereafter I provided her sister with some resources in Chon Buri to obtain treatment and her meds, I still keep in touch with the older sister and her younger sister is back up the farm no one knows in her family or friends. Every two or three months because she doesn't want people to see her entering the local hospital where she lives comes down to Chon Buri to obtain them and while here she works Freelance to help pay for the meds and expenses.

Since that day I say never that is my choice.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2439056]...

Living here a number of years back I was seeing a regular older provider she was from Bangkok originally and tagged along once a week when I traveled from Pattaya to Bangkok to play some sports. One trip we met up with her younger sister for dinner through the dinner I was just told she is " mai Sabai " I know the signs so I spoke up and ask her the response was dead silence from both of them and then a reply how did I know?

That night shock me to the core the stories I heard from her and other providers she knew had me shaking my head. She and friends of her felt lost outcast no money no resources and with their little education which breeds ignorance, she was working freelancing even going bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back. I was told there were girls from Pattaya coming to Bangkok to work and Bangkok to Pattaya and guess what she and some of her friends were working on Sukhumvit and T.

Thereafter I provided her sister with some resources in Chon Buri to obtain treatment and her meds, I still keep in touch with the older sister and her younger sister is back up the farm no one knows in her family or friends. Every two or three months because she doesn't want people to see her entering the local hospital where she lives comes down to Chon Buri to obtain them and while here she works Freelance to help pay for the meds and expenses.

Since that day I say never that is my choice.[/QUOTE]Did that lady ever say how she thought she got HIV in the first place? Was it from having unprotected anal sex with an HIV-Positive man? That would be, by far, the most likely scenario for a woman getting it through sex. A man who acquired HIV via unprotected receptive anal sex himself, through a tainted blood transfusion or sharing needles with someone who was HIV-Positive, that is. Unless she got it through some method other than sexual intercourse.

Thankfully, if her and her fellow HIV-Positive (?) prostitutes' plan was to go "bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back," a woman giving it to a man that way is so rare as to be virtually unheard of unless there is an extraordinary co-factor that generally wouldn't exist in most normal 2-3 time sexual encounters. Consequently, their plan didn't work. I know of no international study revealing a notable rate of HIV transmission from female to male acquired in the lower Sukhumvit area of Bangkok for the past 40+ years. Or even as many as a few.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2438882]The conservative elements in Europe are strong and it would be very difficult for the advocates of P4P there to persuade the authorities to get back into the business of body to body contact. Again, I hope I am wrong.
How much of a decline in p4p in Asia there will be I find it hard to predict. However, Asians are much more prone to clamping down on p4p than Latin Americans. Look at Singapore, Malaysia and China, where p4p is just a shadow of what it once was. Who is to say that the same can't happen in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia?[/QUOTE]I feel you can divide right wing ideologues into political and religious. The first bunch are no angels when it comes to paying for sex, the second lot however are different and no matter what their religion will always see sex outside of marriage as a moral aberration.

Fortunately outside of some whacky Islamic countries and some dysfunctional localities of advanced countries so called bible belts they really don't have a lot of influence.

My own opinion is that if there are to be changes arising from this pandemic they will be based not on moral issues more on health issues. After the aids crisis safe sex became the norm well it did for most people, after this I can see kissing becoming more of a no no. Personally for a while now I have ruled out kissing and being up close to a girls face making physical contact a little awkward but it works for me.

So a possible future, along with STD tests results punters and providers will have immunization certs or antibody results showing they have had the virus and are now safe to be with.

This could be all BS and in a couple of months or so it will be business as usual, "but me cola I go with you."

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439060]Did that lady ever say how she thought she got HIV in the first place? Was it from having unprotected anal sex with an HIV-Positive man? That would be, by far, the most likely scenario for a woman getting it through sex. A man who acquired HIV via unprotected receptive anal sex himself, through a tainted blood transfusion or sharing needles with someone who was HIV-Positive, that is. Unless she got it through some method other than sexual intercourse.

Thankfully, if her and her fellow HIV-Positive (?) prostitutes' plan was to go "bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back," a woman giving it to a man that way is so rare as to be virtually unheard of unless there is an extraordinary co-factor that generally wouldn't exist in most normal 2-3 time sexual encounters. Consequently, their plan didn't work. I know of no international study revealing a notable rate of HIV transmission from female to male acquired in the lower Sukhumvit area of Bangkok for the past 40+ years. Or even as many as a few.[/QUOTE]Hey, I'm not here to debate with you about Stats because I have none. You and others are grown men will do or believe whatever to justify what is being done whether you go bareback or not I learned this first hand from my first wife and heard it from co-workers who I work with and die during my tenor.

As for Thailand the ladies you need to remember the education the ignorance and prejudice Thais show to others even their own is the reason they don't disclose to anyone.

Those even today they get shunned outcast. Two years ago, in Chon Buri there was a story a fight to save a home for orphan children who had aids passed on by their parents because neighbors felt they would get the transmission.

Just my conversation from the sister I have no idea what her sex habits were just that she was a Freelancer working in Bangkok like many got pregnant early the Thai kid left as soon as thing got tough. To feed her kid she went to work as far as I can tell had no other relation with another Thai man all her customers were foreigners that included Asian assumption she could have gotten from any one of those customers. The fact regardless of how she does have it and kept working so to feed and raise money for herself and her kid. What shock me was she never got any help until it was really bad and of course, at a local hospital, it was only a few weeks after diagnoses I met her.

You seem to forget and looking for some reason but it is a shame to have it they aren't going to announce it or go into some study to let others know. They are outcast from their own reason so many don't obtain their HIV medication in the province they live in and travel far like the sister to Chon Buri to obtain her meds so no one will know her.

I also don't know whether her continue working when she had HIV before or after diagnosed whether any of her customers got infected what I do know and I don't need to look up stats it is an easy choice for me whatever choice you make that is yours to make. I'm not here to change your mind or targeting you I think you have already made the decision all I can say is do what you have been doing that works for you. Stay safe and enjoy.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2439073]Hey, I'm not here to debate with you about Stats because I have none. You and others are grown men will do or believe whatever to justify what is being done whether you go bareback or not I learned this first hand from my first wife and heard it from co-workers who I work with and die during my tenor.
...[/QUOTE]I'm not here to debate the stats either. I just asked a simple followup question that might be pertinent to whether or not anyone reading your posts and took a girl on Sukhumvit or from T (Thermae?) ought to be alarmed about an intentional attempt to give them HIV. But, as I said, in a way that would prove to be extremely ineffective.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439087]I'm not here to debate the stats either. I just asked a simple followup question that might be pertinent to whether or not anyone reading your posts and took a girl on Sukhumvit or from T (Thermae?) ought to be alarmed about an intentional attempt to give them HIV. But, as I said, in a way that would prove to be extremely ineffective.[/QUOTE]With respect ET why not just accept that lots of people don't agree with your position on BBFS and stop trying to justify it over and over again. Otherwise the back and forth goes on forever. This is your choice and if you find partners that are willing to give you what you need, then no issues, its between consenting adults etc etc. And OK I get it, mind my own business. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439087]I'm not here to debate the stats either. I just asked a simple followup question that might be pertinent to whether or not anyone reading your posts and took a girl on Sukhumvit or from T (Thermae?) ought to be alarmed about an intentional attempt to give them HIV. But, as I said, in a way that would prove to be extremely ineffective.[/QUOTE]In many ways whether you think or not you are! I wrote a report expressed an opinion from my own experience whether you believe it or not that is up to you and anyone else who has read it as I noted you all are grown-ups. It is just a report I felt like writing since I'm a bit bored today. Like any report, you can read it ignore or attempt to prove to be extremely ineffective that is your choice!

I will end by saying when people are desperate and hurt here in Thailand they just think a bit backward and people do stupid things and stupid things don't have to be intentional or rational. As I noted people will do what they want to do and have a justification for it in your case you believe it is proven to be extremely ineffective which is your right to believe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439037]Where are you guys getting it from that people around here are desperate and starving? 500 baht ST was the normal price before tourists came fucking it up. Now that the tourists are gone, I see it as prices going back to normal.

I paid 40 baht for a bowl of chicken and noodles at a noodle restaurant the other day. So 500 baht would get a person 12 meals. 2 nights ago I stayed at a chick's place in Pattaya where they had a sign up, "Monthly Rental 2,500 baht". Keep things in perspective. Living here is not nearly expensive as it is where we are from, yet somehow P4P prices get jacked up.

Like ET, all the messages I am receiving from chicks are saying they are bored. I have not received 1 message from a chick saying they were on the street starving.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, I just got another series of Line messages from the FL who said she was hungry and wanted to meet me. It turns out she used the "I'm hungry" opener because when I met her before I bought her dinner in Artbox and she associates me with a "dinner date" as well as a potential source of income. LOL.

This time it was all about how she wants to meet me because she is SO BORED sitting in her room. She asked me how many regular girls I see. I threw out 4-5 with a couple being non P4P girls, real girlfriends. She asked what it would take for her to be one of my regular repeat GF-style girls.

I told her the Big Three ways to gain entrance into that club. She said, "Yes, I will do all of that for you, anything you want." Not because she is hungry so much as because she is so bored and wants to be out doing something, anything for a change.

I also don't think many punters here and elsewhere get how much that boredom is an important additional motivation for them leaving "boring grandmas and babies" in their province to work P4P for much bigger and easier money in Bangkok and Pattaya.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439009]

The 2-3 better-looking ones who might actually be (closed) Thermae refugees desperate to see it they can scrounge up a customer on the street these days, totally ignored me as I passed by, did not smile back at me after I smiled at them, did not utter a word of response to my Hello, nothing. LOL. Just as if they were still standing in Thermae waiting for a stray Asian customer to pass by on these otherwise desolate streets. Amazing. Well, I suppose it is comforting to know certain traditions never fade.[/QUOTE]Because their too fucking stupid to know any better. Once their baht dries up and see the severe lack of Japanese or Any Asian customers who frequent Thermae, they'll come swooning for your services. Not saying you could be a potential opportunist. Buuuuuut!. Seriously though, is it even worth your time messing with those airheads?. You'll just end up getting a 'cold starfish' in the bedroom.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439037]Like ET, all the messages I am receiving from chicks are saying they are bored. I have not received 1 message from a chick saying they were on the street starving.[/QUOTE]And when you think about it, if they were on the street starving, then one would be unlikely to know it since. Well. They would be on the street starving, and not exchanging messages by computer! As long as they're doing that, they're not on the street starving, and full of shit if they say they are. Think about it men. Now, times may be hard. They may even be hungry. But, they aren't on the street starving, and not likely to ever be either.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2439113]Because their too fucking stupid to know any better. Once their baht dries up and see the severe lack of Japanese or Any Asian customers who frequent Thermae, they'll come swooning for your services. Not saying you could be a potential opportunist. Buuuuuut!. Seriously though, is it even worth your time messing with those airheads?. You'll just end up getting a 'cold starfish' in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]That last question of yours is the key. Honestly, even though I make the rounds to and from my nearby apartment on a nearly daily or nightly basis to monitor the situation, I am usually on my way to a pre set appointment with a much better girl or just coming back from having been with one and walked her to the bts, mrt or a taxi. Consequently, I have neither the time nor the shot left in me to take a new girl up on her offer. At that time.

She or her offer would have to be especially tempting and difficult to refuse. And even then I would probably just take her Line info and file it in my "To Do Someday" folder. That comes into play when a favorite repeat decides she misses mom enough to head back to her province until her Bkk bar reopens or when one gets a temporary job during this lockdown that screws up her convenient free time to visit me. Both of which happened today.

So I will open that "To Do Someday" folder in a couple of days, after one of my regular, non P4P girlfriends laying next to me now goes back to her tea shop job on Thursday morning.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439037]Where are you guys getting it from that people around here are desperate and starving? 500 baht ST was the normal price before tourists came fucking it up.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing wrong with paying 500 baht for ST. In some local low-end scenes for Thais, that was the price for years and still is. In the last few years, a one-and-done with the vast majority of PFP girls in the Farang scene been worth no more than 500-1000 baht anyway, regardless of how much they ask, and how much some tourists pay.

However, there's plenty wrong with making girls go bareback and compromising their health. Covid-19 might be unavoidable except by 100% abstinence, but HIV is easily preventable with condoms.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439170]There's nothing wrong with paying 500 baht for ST. In some local low-end scenes for Thais, that was the price for years and still is. In the last few years, a one-and-done with the vast majority of PFP girls in the Farang scene been worth no more than 500-1000 baht anyway, regardless of how much they ask, and how much some tourists pay.

However, there's plenty wrong with making girls go bareback and compromising their health. Covid-19 might be unavoidable except by 100% abstinence, but HIV is easily preventable with condoms.[/QUOTE]Are we somehow drifting into a mindset where Covid-19 is considered a sexually transmitted or related disease, which it is not?

Nobody on the planet who has become infected with or died from Covid-19 needed to have had sex with the carrier to get it. Or to have ever had sex with anyone in their lives (100% abstinence). Or to be naked near one. Or to even touch a carrier. It wasn't even necessary to be within a close enough proximity of a carrier to have a droplet from a cough or sneeze land on you.

In fact, the "carrier" of the virus might never have met someone sick from it or be sick from it himself.

Once the virus is on someone's clothes, their face mask or furniture, thousands if not millions of the tiniest particles, many times smaller than a droplet, get stirred up and float in the air for hours in aerosol form around where they once stood. You inhale in that same space, without even meeting that person, even while wearing one of those trypical surgical masks and having just washed your hands for 20 seconds with hot soapy water, and Covid-19 will enter your repiratory system.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439244]Once the virus is on someone's clothes, their face mask or furniture, thousands if not millions of the tiniest particles, many times smaller than a droplet, get stirred up and float in the air for hours in aerosol form around where they once stood. You inhale in that same space, without even meeting that person, even while wearing one of those trypical surgical masks and having just washed your hands for 20 seconds with hot soapy water, and Covid-19 will enter your repiratory system.[/QUOTE]Please provide the source. Thanks.

SS.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439244]thousands if not millions of the tiniest particles, many times smaller than a droplet, get stirred up and float in the air for hours in aerosol form around where they once stood. You inhale in that same space, without even meeting that person, even while wearing one of those trypical surgical masks and having just washed your hands for 20 seconds with hot soapy water, and Covid-19 will enter your repiratory system.[/QUOTE]But air does not sit still. It constantly moves around. So are we to believe the covid suspends itself in mid-space for hours without moving with the air? Or is it that infected Joe can breathe covid out down the street and it reaches me 200 meters away in 20 minutes with the movement of the air?

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2439326]Please provide the source. Thanks.

SS.[/QUOTE]You can jump ahead to 2:45 where the actual questions and answers section begins. Dr. Fauci discusses the airborne/aerosol issue at 3:45. He does not dismiss it as a means of transmission at all. Instead, he allows it as a perfectly viable way for a virus like this to linger in the air and infect people, similar to but perhaps not as long lasting in the air as the measles virus.

[URL]https://youtu.be/F2YKKba6ps0[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439343]You can jump ahead to 2:45 where the actual questions and answers section begins. Dr. Fauci discusses the airborne/aerosol issue at 3:45. He does not dismiss it as a means of transmission at all. Instead, he allows it as a perfectly viable way for a virus like this to linger in the air and infect people, similar to but perhaps not as long lasting in the air as the measles virus.

[URL]https://youtu.be/F2YKKba6ps0[/URL][/QUOTE]Some interesting info, some of which has been "out there" for a bit of time and some new to me. Good source and glad to hear things aren't as apocalyptic as you made it seem. I can crawl out from under my bed now. LOL Thanks for the link.

SS.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439244]Are we somehow drifting into a mindset where Covid-19 is considered a sexually transmitted or related disease, which it is not?[/QUOTE]

It's not sexually transmitted strictly speaking, but it's fair to say that, if you have sex with a Covid-19 carrier (who may be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms), there's a very high probability of getting it unless you're wearing a high-grade protective gear throughout the entire encounter and disinfect yourself thoroughly afterwards. Of course you easily could get it without actual sex (just by, say, shaking hands), but that's beside the point. Therefore, sex workers are a vector, and a high risk one. Being in close contact with many people also increases the chance they are infected (compared to an average person), so there's that too.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2439361]Some interesting info, some of which has been "out there" for a bit of time and some new to me. Good source and glad to hear things aren't as apocalyptic as you made it seem. I can crawl out from under my bed now. LOL Thanks for the link.

SS.[/QUOTE]How is what I posted about the aerosol version of transmission so different than what Fauci said about it in that video?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439470]It's not sexually transmitted strictly speaking, but it's fair to say that, if you have sex with a Covid-19 carrier (who may be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms), there's a very high probability of getting it unless you're wearing a high-grade protective gear throughout the entire encounter and disinfect yourself thoroughly afterwards. Of course you easily could get it without actual sex (just by, say, shaking hands), but that's beside the point. Therefore, sex workers are a vector, and a high risk one. Being in close contact with many people also increases the chance they are infected (compared to an average person), so there's that too.[/QUOTE]P4 P as we know it will not be the same for quite some time. The effects will dwarf that of HIV / AIDS. And I am referring to changes in laws, changes in providers attitudes and what they are willing to provide, and cultural attitudes towards P4P sex.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2439534]P4 P as we know it will not be the same for quite some time. The effects will dwarf that of HIV / AIDS. And I am referring to changes in laws, changes in providers attitudes and what they are willing to provide, and cultural attitudes towards P4P sex.[/QUOTE]The most likely changes might be anything related to oral contact. I would not be surprised if DFK or any kissing at all, BBBJ even as mere oral foreplay, Rimming, Cat Bath and anything requiring a provider's mouth touching the customer's skin to become the new great taboo, surpassing the issue of covered FS vs bareback FS.

In terms of Covid-19 risk, condom or no condom for fucking is irrelevant.

And all encounters while both people are wearing masks, I suppose, to somewhat reduce the aerosol transmission risk.

I would recommend everyone honing their upfront negotiation skills. There might be a whole bunch of new hurdles to overcome in store. And as many new itemized surcharge costs to iron out.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439555]...In terms of Covid-19 risk, condom or no condom for fucking is irrelevant...[/QUOTE]Probably, mostly but interestingly, Dutch scientists have found, ". SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is often excreted in an infected person's stool. ". Not likely to be a primary means of infection, but detectable:

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/coronavirus-in-sewage-portended-covid-19-outbreak-in-dutch-city[/URL]

My point is, we don't know yet how the virus is shed or how people are infected. Cum could be part of it...
The important thing about infectivity that most epidemiologists ignore is viral load. A small exposure you can maybe fight off. but spending hours fucking, kissing, sweating, eating an infected person...!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2439560]Probably, mostly but interestingly, Dutch scientists have found, ". SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is often excreted in an infected person's stool. ". Not likely to be a primary means of infection, but detectable:

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/coronavirus-in-sewage-portended-covid-19-outbreak-in-dutch-city[/URL][/QUOTE]Ah, that would definitely mean the end of Rim Jobs.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439555]The most likely changes might be anything related to oral contact. I would not be surprised if DFK or any kissing at all, BBBJ even as mere oral foreplay, Rimming, Cat Bath and anything requiring a provider's mouth touching the customer's skin to become the new great taboo, surpassing the issue of covered FS vs bareback FS.

In terms of Covid-19 risk, condom or no condom for fucking is irrelevant.

And all encounters while both people are wearing masks, I suppose, to somewhat reduce the aerosol transmission risk.

I would recommend everyone honing their upfront negotiation skills. There might be a whole bunch of new hurdles to overcome in store. And as many new itemized surcharge costs to iron out.[/QUOTE]Might as well save the money and wank. Man, this is just awful.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439497]How is what I posted about the aerosol version of transmission so different than what Fauci said about it in that video?[/QUOTE]Your version seemed a bit apocalyptic compared to the doctor's. A lot of variables involved and I'm sure many which are not fully explored and vetted. The good doctor must rely on his knowledge / experience associated with similar viruses, since COVID 19 is a new one. Accordingly, some of his information must rest solely on that, while some may be pure speculation. I have noted that, when delivering his briefings, he does "footnote" some of his statements on occasion. But, to get back to your question a tab more directly, your inclusion of a "particle" being on a piece of furniture and then ending up in one's respiratory system seems (to me) to be nearly impossible. Maybe I read it incorrectly. If so, please disregard.

Thanks again for the link. I like the doctor's briefings; I find him "authentic" and "authoritative".

SS.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2439562]Might as well save the money and wank. Man, this is just awful.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the scene from Naked Gun.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV_BPDi8Ems[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439555]The most likely changes might be anything related to oral contact. I would not be surprised if DFK or any kissing at all, BBBJ even as mere oral foreplay, Rimming, Cat Bath and anything requiring a provider's mouth touching the customer's skin.............[/QUOTE]Add to that the customer's mouth touching the provider's skin. Then a session will go like this: You both enter the room and disrobe. She gives you a CBJ and you better get hard with that for the only other activity allowed after would be CFS most likely in a safe position like doggy. That's it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2439703]Add to that the customer's mouth touching the provider's skin. Then a session will go like this: You both enter the room and disrobe. She gives you a CBJ and you better get hard with that for the only other activity allowed after would be CFS most likely in a safe position like doggy. That's it.[/QUOTE]Methinks you are right. I'll never pay for that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2439534]P4 P as we know it will not be the same for quite some time. The effects will dwarf that of HIV / AIDS. And I am referring to changes in laws, changes in providers attitudes and what they are willing to provide, and cultural attitudes towards P4P sex.[/QUOTE]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.

In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2439703]Add to that the customer's mouth touching the provider's skin. Then a session will go like this: You both enter the room and disrobe. She gives you a CBJ and you better get hard with that for the only other activity allowed after would be CFS most likely in a safe position like doggy. That's it.[/QUOTE]Haha it actually reminded me of an experience I had last year in warsaw. Yes, it was horrible LOL.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439706]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.

In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.[/QUOTE]There was never a moment when in the LOS that I failed to appreciate how wildly great the opportunities were, as if too good to be true. Would it last? Could it last? What if it changed, drastically? I hope for the best but accept that may never be the same. Beyond the financial brutal financial impact, the social impact and p2 p are difficult to envision.

Careful and reconsider looking on the black side of things. It may be glum just now and your missing the pussy. But thing is once this has passed and it will, it will be back to the way it was.

Thailand has a heavy resilience on the sex industry. It draws people in. Take away that sex tourisim then you will lose a lot of the trade that comes. That won't happen. Those conservative politicians know where the money comes from to float the economy and its not going to jepordise that. Once covid is out the way the place will be teaming again.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439706]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.

In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hornyscot;2439789]Careful and reconsider looking on the black side of things. It may be glum just now and your missing the pussy. But thing is once this has passed and it will, it will be back to the way it was.

Thailand has a heavy resilience on the sex industry. It draws people in. Take away that sex tourisim then you will lose a lot of the trade that comes. That won't happen. Those conservative politicians know where the money comes from to float the economy and its not going to jepordise that. Once covid is out the way the place will be teaming again.[/QUOTE]Those are two widely different projections for the distant future. Perhaps Crocodilexp is right, but I sure hope he is wrong. Both my big and little head is predicting that Hornyscot is right.

I see two powerful forces that will push for revival of the sex industry. First, the owners of hospitality industry businesses will push very hard for P4P industry (restaurants, bars, hotels, taxi, tours). Pattaya would almost disappear without the P4P money. Patong is more family friendly, but there is still a huge number of people that come for the P4P. Even the more relaxed resort areas, such as Koh Samui, gain much business from tourists who come for P4P. Second, the many farm communities of Issan derive a good chunk of income from their daughters who send money home each month from P4P proceeds. To make it all tie together, many Thai people see nothing wrong with the P4P industry as long as it is done to support family.

Thailand is a poor nation and without P4P it will be much worse. Many Thai people are not well educated and their skills are limited. Industries such as automotive, electronics, and farming will not be able to pick up the slack. Thailand's only choice will be to continue support of the P4P industry or become poorer and poorer.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439706]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.

In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.[/QUOTE]I remember mongering in the 1970's and 80's before the AIDS pandemic, sex without a condom was unheard of, everything was on the table and the girls had zero inhibition. AIDS changed all that forever. Adjusting to condom use was hard and banging a hooker was accompanied with a lot of anxiety. If non-mongers knew you were shagging prostitutes they would think you were crazy. In fact the image of mongers sunk to its lowest level. Fast forward to 2020 with a pandemic that is much worse than AIDS at its peak. To think that it will not significantly affect our hobby is serious denial. Recent figures coming out of the US have been swift slaps to my face and I am making mental adjustments to avoid anguish.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439706]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.

In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.[/QUOTE]Your second paragraph sums it up nicely. I imagine that exact issue is being talked about and is likely what will happen.

[QUOTE=Hornyscot;2439789]Careful and reconsider looking on the black side of things. It may be glum just now and your missing the pussy. But thing is once this has passed and it will, it will be back to the way it was.

Thailand has a heavy resilience on the sex industry. It draws people in. Take away that sex tourisim then you will lose a lot of the trade that comes. That won't happen. Those conservative politicians know where the money comes from to float the economy and its not going to jepordise that. Once covid is out the way the place will be teaming again.[/QUOTE]It's really is less than you think. Two decades ago you might have been correct. But today the vast majority of tourists have no interest in p4 p.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2439844]It's really is less than you think. Two decades ago you might have been correct. But today the vast majority of tourists have no interest in p4 p.[/QUOTE]I concur. Vast majority of tourists to Thailand are not interested in girls. In fact they come with female company. They are there to take in the culture, sights, relaxation, beach etc. You might see many walking, seeing, visiting girlie bars but that is out of curiosity because sex is in your face. Quite a few are really afraid to touch any of the working girls because of catching some diseases.

Thailand is a cheap tropical destination for people all over the world especially for Europeans. Spain used to be before they joined Eurozone.

Worst case scenario imo is the online dating site scene expands and dominates. Thai girls will still over spend on discretionary items and activities; shoes, clothes, phones, make up, lottery tickets, partying, boyfriend support, etc, will still be underpaid in their regular jobs and will always want and need more and easy money to make ends meet.

Some will pitch themselves online as outright Freelancers with no pretense about looking for one special man rather than the next customer. More will pitch themselves as "looking for a serious, long term relationship."

That latter group is where the classic Short Time session culture will suffer among punters who prefer it. She/They will expect you to live alone in an established residence unless your game is that you are in Thailand temporarily, staying in a hotel, primarily in order to meet her and give her a test drive before committing to a more serious, long term relationship.

If I were an expat already living with a girlfriend or wife but still wanting to score some of that online dating site action on the side, I would look into renting a second small apartment in a convenient location but not in an area where my path would cross wifey's and use that as my dating site girl destination. But you will need to come up with an excuse for no overnights with the new ladies if you must show your face at your first residence before midnight.

Best arrangement for anyone who wants to do just fine with a steady stream of different girls on a daily and weekly basis even if all the go-go bars, beer bars with girls, massage shops and soapies disappeared tomorrow is to live alone in a pleasant residence easy walking distance from a bts or mrt station.

Oh, and you might want to get a vasectomy and always have a current negative blood check document for a couple of the biggies on hand.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2439806]Thailand is a poor nation and without P4P it will be much worse. Many Thai people are not well educated and their skills are limited. Industries such as automotive, electronics, and farming will not be able to pick up the slack. Thailand's only choice will be to continue support of the P4P industry or become poorer and poorer.[/QUOTE]Actually, P4P contributes a minuscule amount to the GDP of both Thailand and Philippines and neither is reliant on it. Mongers always overestimate the contribution they are making to the economy (usually by a factor of 100). Legitimate, non-sexual tourism is a significant money earner, but not P4P in isolation. This is why the Thai or Philippines governments couldn't really care whether P4P exists or closes. Many of the restrictions to the hooker scene over the past 10-15 years were to appease the conservatives in the US so they could get their hands on aid money.

Most P4P businesses are actually fronts for other illicit activities. If P4P closed, they would take those activities elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2439829]I remember mongering in the 1970's and 80's before the AIDS pandemic, sex without a condom was unheard of, everything was on the table and the girls had zero inhibition...<snipped>[/QUOTE]I think you meant "sex with a condom" was almost unheard of. Anyway, getting the clap in the 70's was probably the biggest threat to going without protection. Interestingly, bareback fucking was par for the course, while blow jobs could be often refused. In the 80's, HIV / AIDS became the issue of concern. I remember sitting in Soi Cowboy bars and having Dr. Condom sometimes entering a venue with a few associates and handing out condoms to the girls. Sometimes he would be followed by a news crew with cameras and lights recording the scene. It would be on Thai TV later that night or the next night. Talk about panic among the girls. They couldn't get off the stage and into a dark corner or a bathroom fast enough. LOL Still, after the bar returned to normal, many of the girls were laughing and blowing up the condoms like balloons and tossing them around the bar. I was in Soi Cowboy one night in the late 80's when ½ of Cowboy as taken over by Dr. Condom with all sorts of information tables set up in the middle of the street. A couple of carnival-like games were also used to attract the girls and mongers. Naturally, condoms to the "winners". Yet, the girls were still routinely going bareback without any mention of covering our dicks.

By the early 90's, the reality of AIDS had pretty much been established. Enough girls had seen some of their friends / colleagues contract the disease and the consequences. Even Isan farm girls appreciated what was happening around the world. One dancer from Surin, for instance, mentioned NBA player Magic Johnson and his acquisition of AIDS. While it wasn't going to keep the girls from plying their trade, gradually more and more demanded that we cover up. Mercifully, President Bill Clinton and his young intern gained world-wide attention due to a substance on Monica Lewinski's famous "blue dress". Almost overnight (well, within a few very short years), a lot of girls actually seemed to prefer giving uncovered blow jobs to fucking. Who would have thought? Thank you Bill and Monica. LOL.

Nobody really knows what the impact of COVID-19 will have on the future of mongering in Asia. We can all speculate ad infin. It might be that the year 2000 BC will be 20 BC (Before Covid). The idea that this virus ends the world's oldest profession seems pretty far-fetched. Business models and practices change all of the time for all sorts of products and services.

SS.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2439870]Actually, P4P contributes a minuscule amount to the GDP of both Thailand and Philippines and neither is reliant on it. Mongers always overestimate the contribution they are making to the economy (usually by a factor of 100).[/QUOTE]This article from the other day says that 4-10% of GDP is because of the 300,000 involved in P4P.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-government-screws-sex-workers-over-5000-baht-stimulus[/URL]