Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2928616]Let's not get too silly with our statements on price meaning nothing.[/QUOTE]You have a point except there are too many variables in your example.

I think in this context, a better one will be two girls 1, and 2. You will wine and dine your date out in a restaurant, then back to apartment for sex. Which one will provide better experience? I think this is closer to the type of date MB1 is used to so I guess a more educated and better dressed one will be better for him because they have more to talk about, and that yield to better result in the bed but it is still hard to say for someone else.

If someone has the date in an apartment and still wine and dine, it could be the opposite and cost far less. And then there there are many who are not interest in this at all.

As far as Centro goes, point and shoot is not the only style. Centro to some is a place to socialize and that can achieve the same purpose.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2928616]I understand your point but that statement is very hyperbolic. You are correct that price paid doesn't determine a higher quality experience; You can pay 1 million dollars for a top model and get a 0/10 experience, for sure. There is no denying this but it's insane to claim that higher prices have no correlation with better quality. A higher price tag usually entails a few noticeable benefits; attractiveness, baseline service, illusion of passion, amenities (incall apartment), to name a few. Does that mean you will get all of those? No, it doesn't. Does it mean that the increase in price is worth the benefits, it may not either. But you're no better than the idiots claiming that price paid = better experience if you say the opposite.

A better statement is; Higher prices correlates to a higher floor of service. It doesn't guarantee anything, but you have a much higher chance of getting the benefits you want. For example, it's much harder to get a good GFE experience in a bang and dash, 30 minute place. The average attractiveness of a Loutron girl is definitely higher than some cheap ass casa. For a personal example; I've had some bad experiences at K-girl agencies in the US, but there was a baseline to the service that always superseded the cheaper latina houses in the area.

Let's not get too silly with our statements on price meaning nothing.[/QUOTE]I disagree that fucking a top model can be a 0/10 experience. Yes, she could be lame as fuck in bed, but for most men having a naked top model in their bed is a once in a lifetime event. Even if she is a star fish, even if she is bitchy or annoying. Even if the only service she provides is a handjob. So it can't be an absolute zero. Maybe a few points out of 10.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2928616] it's insane to claim that higher prices have no correlation with better quality. A higher price tag usually entails a few noticeable benefits; attractiveness, baseline service, illusion of passion, amenities [/QUOTE]Not in my personal experience, anywhere, ever, especially not the "illusion of passion. " Amenities-wise, yes, you will pay more for a chica with an apartment than a chica you have to take to a hotel, overall and in general, but that's just paying for an apartment, not the chica. You could pay X amount more for a chica with an apartment, or you could pay X for a hotel, or you could pay X for her to come to your place. I don't go to places like Loutron and I don't go to cheap ass casas either so maybe that's why my personal experience is not what you would like for it to have been to prove your point.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2928639] You will wine and dine your date out in a restaurant.[/QUOTE]So now we're talking about the price of the meal, not the price of the chica. Since the next hooker I "wine and dine" will be the first one, that doesn't invalidate my own personal experience either.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928574]So bitter that I am in Barranquilla at the moment chilling with a chick that is not a hooker. No need to worry about 400 K or even 40 K. Am I getting what I am paying for? So don't feel bad for me; feel bad for yourself. Every statement was a paraphrase made from the video. It was not my original content, but similarities I noticed between the two subjects.

This is a public forum where people quote any post they are responding to. So do not feel that your posts in particular are so special. Maybe special ed content wise though.[/QUOTE]Oh I would love to see what that girl looks like.

I would show you pics of my exes all day. And I've had Colombian women pay for my trips and expensive gifts all day.

And oh by the way this is a hooker forum. I hire hookers because I want to not because I want to.

I don't go for bottom of the barrel girls that are so desperate they'll shack up with any man. I go for girls that have options and are doing well so there's a realistic chance she'll turn me down if I wanted something serious. Your game is so obvious. Come on bro show us this beauty. I've posted pics of my ex and other girls I banged. Show us what you're made of? Lmao.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928525]You can quote my posts all you want [b]I'm simply not going to reply anymore.[/b][/QUOTE]Damn, you sure changed your mind quick. Just like a broad.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928595]And I know plenty of chicks that would laugh at you if you're opening is 400 k.[/QUOTE]Unlike you, I do not care about a hooker laughing. Hell I am already paying her for sex and she is the one fucking for money. Should I really be the one that is ashamed? Do you ever get tired of holding them hoes up on pedastals?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928597]He's a bitter guy who has an obvious hatred for women. Never posts pics of the type of girls he pays to bang then goes on to judge what others are not worth.[/QUOTE]Are you only stupid or are you dumb as well? In all these years I have posted hundreds of chicks that I have actually fucked from my actual camera and phone. Matter of fact didn't I just post some last week talking about Help in Rio? Not like you pulling some random picture off the internet saying well I like to fuck girls like this.

Sorry, I am having a hard time typing in the back of this taxi since I am in Colombia and not in my mom's basement talking about about the chicks I would like to fuck instead of ones that I have actually fucked.

Damn. We just stopped next to a BMW SUV. Maybe there is a hooker inside laughing about someone offering her 400 K. Wait a minute! Just wait a damn minute. Aren't you the guy that came on here [B]BITTER[/B] that some guy bought a hooker a car just like that? Yeah that was you. Maybe it was just [B]jealousy[/B] and not bitterness though.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2918543]Please don't ever make fun of guys overpaying because if we pay more for pussy it's just for pussy.

[b]But some guy just bought her a BMW suv. [/b]LOL. I know at least 6-7 guys who have raw dogged and CIM her including myself and the friends I passed her around too [b]for 200-250 mil.[/b][/QUOTE]Look at you [B]HATING[/B] on a hoe! And this also begs a new question. You say you passed her around for 200 K. Did she laugh at that the same as the chicks you know that laugh at 400 K? And you also mentioned THAT to be overpaying? Funny. Because there is also another time you mentioned overpaying.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2512543]I will confess that my first couple trips to medellin I definitely overpaid a couple girls from Gustos. I was only there for a 4 day weekend and didn't know better. HA girl quoted me a price of 200 usd and instead of negotiating [/QUOTE]So chicks are laughing at 400 K, but you are paying them 200 K, after you learned your lesson about paying them $200. Dude you are all over the place. You need to check the carbon monoxide monitor in that basement.

Maybe one day you will inform us of how much we should actually be paying. We need to make a chart with all the figures you have brought up. 40 k is not enough. 50 k is not even enough to give a chick for walking outside with you. 200 K was overpaying a chick that owns a BMW. 400 K will get you laughed at by a chick that needs to do her nails. You did not know any better when you paid $200. Girl go on with that bullshit! It is looking like you, math, and truth do not get along.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2928639]You have a point except there are too many variables in your example.

I think in this context, a better one will be two girls 1, and 2. You will wine and dine your date out in a restaurant, then back to apartment for sex. Which one will provide better experience? I think this is closer to the type of date MB1 is used to so I guess a more educated and better dressed one will be better for him because they have more to talk about, and that yield to better result in the bed but it is still hard to say for someone else.

If someone has the date in an apartment and still wine and dine, it could be the opposite and cost far less. And then there there are many who are not interest in this at all.

As far as Centro goes, point and shoot is not the only style. Centro to some is a place to socialize and that can achieve the same purpose.[/QUOTE]In your example, the payment is also a "bet" on the floor expectations of the girl. For example, the girl that you wine and dine at the restaurant is less likely to dress like a slouch. It is more likely she will dress up and present a pleasing appearance. The girl at your apartment is more likely to dress down because there is no need to go out.

The girl who has been wined and dined in a restaurant may feel more inclined to sleep with her suitor and put in some good effort because of the effort he has put in or because she has a more enjoyable time being out and about on the town (this is a thing that women will do, from my experience).

You can also point to the time wasted in the apartment date to cook the food. You could cook your girl an amazing meal that she truly appreciates, but it is also time you "wasted" to save money. It may be easier for some to spend extra to have cooked food and enjoy the night more themselves.

As you said, there are too many variables to count that can make or break a sexual session, and it is my view that paying for a "top-end" experience (within reason, of course) can have tangible benefits in pushing some of those variables into a positive zone where they might be in a cheaper session.

Centro is not my style per se, but I have nothing against it. I am simply a tourist so it just doesn't match my needs. I come to visit family who live in the area but I am in and out within a 1-2 weeks. I.

Don't have the time to waste by going to a undesirable spot and trying to socialize with random girls, hoping there is one that I like. It is the benefit that all long-term residents or expats have where they can put feet on the ground to find those diamonds in the rough. They can cook that amazing meal in hopes of getting the reward they desire.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2928673]In your example, the payment is also a "bet" on the floor expectations of the girl. For example, the girl that you wine and dine at the restaurant is less likely to dress like a slouch. It is more likely she will dress up and present a pleasing appearance. The girl at your apartment is more likely to dress down because there is no need to go out.

The girl who has been wined and dined in a restaurant may feel more inclined to sleep with her suitor and put in some good effort because of the effort he has put in or because she has a more enjoyable time being out and about on the town (this is a thing that women will do, from my experience).[/QUOTE]Well we fucked before we came to eat and we are both at the restaurant wearing shorts and t-shirts. There was no effort on either part. We were both horny and hungry.

All that work the waitress did for 11 K tip, while some say a hooker that walks outside with you at Gusto's is entitled to 100 K.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2928673]In your example, the payment is also a "bet" on the floor expectations of the girl.... (this is a thing that women will do, from my experience).
[/QUOTE]The girls are going to dress how they usually dress. The point is the type of girls that MB1 prefers will more likely dress for the occasion correctly. It's work so it means longer working hours but depending on girls. Most girls I know do not want to go to restaurant.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2928673]
but it is also time you "wasted" to save money. It may be easier for some to spend extra to have cooked food and enjoy the night more themselves.
[/QUOTE]You got it wrong here. You don't have to cook. You can splurge to order from Rappi or it can be as simple as a plate of fruit which I will already have with or without the girl. Compare going to the restaurant, you will save time even if you have to prepare. You can eat, drink naked, or dance topless and other things that you can't do in a restaurant. All for as little as 1 USD that yields better result than spending a lot more going to a restaurant. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928654]I hire hookers because I want to not because I want to.[/QUOTE]Cocaine is a helluva drug!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928401]I was just watching a video on luxury handbags and it reminded me so much of the discussion in this thread. All you have to do it change out the word handbags and put in high-priced hoes. These are points the reporter made:

1. Pretty much all the bags are made in China the same as all those hoes come from Bello.

2. It all boils down to human psychology.[/QUOTE]Of all the women I was with in Medellin, none were from Bello. I am not sure what does not have to do with human psychology.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928401]3. It gives people a sense of accomplishment to buy one.[/QUOTE]Nah, that was only in the beginning. After that, it was for my pleasure. For women, the bag is kind of like a woman for the man. It is a sign of net worth. A woman has a Gucci bag much like some men have a 9-10 on their arm. It shows they have value.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928401]4. Higher price almost never means higher quality.[/QUOTE]What is the goal of having the purse? If it is just to hold your shit in, then yeah, they probably do the job the same. Ironically, I used to go to Mexico or buy fake purses on line. They were high value gifts. The women used them and loved them. Many did not care if they were fake or if they looked good. However, one gave me a master class on a fake bag, and there were huge differences in quality between the counterfeit bags and the real things.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928401]5. Scarcity is used to drive up prices. There are only 3 9's and 1 10 in the world so take one at any price.

6. The comapnies prey on people's sense of insecurity and need for validation. The refined Ivy League graduate, Victoria Secret model that speaks the king's English who I found in Gusto's and gave 1 million pesos to is better than the one-legged, stank-pussy, crackhead who fucks 280 guys per day that you gave 40 K to downtown.[/QUOTE]This is where your metaphor falls apart. You do not have to have Victoria Secret dimensions to be a 10. The reason you brought it up is because you still think the women you are fucking are the same as the ones I am and did. You yourself said that the hottest women at Loutron's are not going to get your money. That is an admission the hottest women intimidate you. Maybe you have a reverse snobbery but something is up with you guys and your constant griping about guys looking for better, and I think it is you all are scared to get better.

The hottest woman I met in Colombia was not my gal. She was one who IMO lowered her standards to meet me because there were so few guys after the pandemic. With her, all the comments you made are valid. With her attitude, I was shocked that she was slightly above average in bed. I have been with high dollar Penthouse Pet and girl from Playboy, and they were among the lamest lays of my life.

The second hottest in Colombia was my current gal. I asked her to send me a bikini photo of her, and I remember her looking so good, I got mad. The anger was a front for fear. I was wondering how this girl was going to fuck me over. It is that fear driving you guys. You can look at the above three women I described in the last paragraph as justification for your not paying the bigger $$.

It took me a full year to feel secure with my gal. When I speak of a line of guys wanting to buy a gal a drink, she meets that description. Outside of age, she has Victoria Secrets dimensions and personality. Unlike so many women this hot, she has friends and is very supportive of them.

But unlike with her looks and performance, and I have had women who match her, there is the compliment from her that she is the ultimate woman for me: I stopped chasing other women. When you guys say, I have a girlfriend, my follow up is have you stopped seeing other women? If not, she is really not that great in your eyes.

Hookers are fast food. They satisfy a hunger but they do not compare to steak, and they certainly do not compare to a woman who prepares a steak with the secret sauce she serves only to you. That is the ultimate, and you are dreaming if you think you get that in any place that serves the masses.

The best women only poke their heads out for a bit, and the reason is they are swooped up quickly. You guys talk about women where a 100,000 COP is a lot. I am in a world where I see families putting down between $5000 and $10,000 for a Quincera. I just met a friend of my gals who was an Au Pair in San Francisco to a wealthy woman, got a degree, and is living in Europe in an apartment with she and her husband and they split the $3000 a month rent. That is what the best women in Colombia do. They are not on the street or working at Gusto's.

And maybe there is a set of women in the USA as talented as my gal's daughter's friends but if so, I have not seen it. All of them have taken on the hardest dance moves in the world and have been able to perform them. That is what they do for their Quniceras. Just like with everything else thrown at them, when it comes to sex, they will master that when the time comes. Some are already making money modeling. The concept of women desperate for $25 is one I do not see in this world.

Getting back to the bag / purse analogy, no one wants to produce the ultimate, the purse you buy and have no desire to have any other because it is the best for you.

What has been fostered onto men is the Romantic notion of oneitis. What that means is you are desperate to find the one and you pursue that "one" to fit into society even at the expense of your own happiness. I was like that. I had everything society said was supposed to make me happy, but I was not. Once the dream became a nightmare, I finally stepped out and admitted to everyone all the different women I was seeing. Of course, it was not anything anyone else can emulate.

What you guys do not get is not that my woman is stunning. If she were aloof and gave of the air of a gold digger, no one would want what I have. It is the adoration. It is my being happy that is what makes others say, "If Elvis got this kind of happiness, I want it too. " And that is what is changing with others around me.

My own mother and I had the kind of frank discussions that are rarely ever had. She told me about her sex life with my father and the concept of my very own mother wanting a better sex life was something I never considered once I opened up about mine. She wanted to know what is was like to have a fulfilling sex life. She has told me I was her inspiration to step out and get on a dating site and now she has a BF and is happy. LOL.

And I told a friend of mine to have a frank discussion with his wife. I told him do not argue with her. Arguing with a woman is a waste of time. Tell her you are not happy and see if she is not happy and then make changes to your marriage or get out of it if your views do not mesh. As long as the goal is mutual happiness, there should not have to be any blame. His wife was engaging in emasculating behavior and that kind of talk is accepted in society but if you engage it in, and your man has any balls, he is going to get his testosterone back up seeing someone else.

Another friend, a lifelong bachelor, is looking at getting serious with a Colombian friend of my gals. He is like maybe I can be happy with this one woman and have a child with her.

When I spoke of earning my monogamy, it goes against the feminist doctrine of consent that is drilled into a woman's head. My ex used to say, "We cannot use sex for sleep" and "I am not going to suck that if it is dirty". Where the hell do women think that saying these things leads to a faithful man? Earning my monogamy means making yourself attractive to me and fulfilling my sexual needs. If I am going to rally against my nature of wanting to fuck everything that moves, you are going to have to be so important to my happiness that I would not step out on you.

Too often, that is the choice: paying for sex with a woman who cares about your happiness in the short term to get a buck versus one who thinks she can get away with pissing all over you because of some promise. I swear the goal in the USA is to kiss woman's asses so badly that men are willing to pay any amount of money to have sex. Hell, we now have women who have fattened themselves up and make us say, "Oh, you ladies are so beautiful". WTF? We all know no one thinks fat men should be models. So yeah, the guys who are seeing hookers in Colombia have at least had the sense to move on from these horrible American women.

But they have stopped there. Saying it does not get better than fast food or where the masses are served is just another form of quitting. Yeah, sure there are ripoffs out there. Women who will tell you want to hear for a buck and suck your dick for a buck and once they get it turn themselves into the emasculating witches we see in the Western world.

However, you should not be putting down guys who want to do better. You guys and your fucking GFs. Instead of looking for those little moments of pleasure, ask yourself what would it take for one woman to make you happy and strive for that. Sure, it is going to be painful when you are played and see that a woman is not the one, but you cannot win if you are not playing. MB is trying to do better, and you guys are not. That is why you are putting him down. You want him to sink to your level.

And maybe you do not meet that one woman who can fulfill your needs. I was happy in my SB world. If I had to go back, it would not be the worst thing in the world. But please just stop with the bullshit that the best food in the world is found in places that serve the masses. That may satiate hunger, but it is not the best, and you are full of shit if you think there is not better.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2928732]The girls are going to dress how they usually dress. The point is the type of girls that MB1 prefers will more likely dress for the occasion correctly. It's work so it means longer working hours but depending on girls. Most girls I know do not want to go to restaurant.

You got it wrong here. You don't have to cook. You can splurge to order from Rappi or it can be as simple as a plate of fruit which I will already have with or without the girl. Compare going to the restaurant, you will save time even if you have to prepare. You can eat, drink naked, or dance topless and other things that you can't do in a restaurant. All for as little as 1 USD that yields better result than spending a lot more going to a restaurant. Hehe.[/QUOTE]I have never known women to prefer more than a few weekend nights chilling at home before they start clamoring to go do something outside (go to a new restaurant or event). The whole point is that I think spending more for something is not necessarily a scam. There is always a point where something overpriced so make sure you are spending within reason, but the idea that all prostitutes are the same so you should always go for the cheapest option literally defies all conventional logic in all other situations. Even in your home example, you still added 1 USD to the cost of the date, so you are making the point I'm making. You added money to the equation to improve your experience. That's what I'm saying. Again, you shouldn't pay for a 10 course meal for a chick on the first date (and you probably don't need to pay thousands of USD for an OF model) but it makes sense to pay extra for a better experience if it improves your odds of having a successful date. Everyone needs to try out different options and see what works for them to give them the best results.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929026]Again, you shouldn't pay for a 10 course meal for a chick on the first date (and you probably don't need to pay thousands of USD for an OF model) but it makes sense to pay extra for a better experience if it improves your odds of having a successful date. Everyone needs to try out different options and see what works for them to give them the best results.[/QUOTE]Thing about that is that you only get one first date. You do not know what will improve your odds. Women already know if they want to fuck you when they meet you. So I do not know if you calling yourself improving odds is really doing anything at all. People are different. What turns one person on may be a complete turnoff for another.

Keep it simple. Go get ice cream with a chick. Keep your mouth closed and let her do all the talking. I have talked myself out of so much pussy by saying something a chick did not like. I am the type of mf that will say anything to anybody, so.

The last American chick I went on a first date with, we went to a Thai restaurant. I spent $100 and never heard from her again. If the chick is a hooker then I am already paying, so there are no odds to be improved anyway.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2929068]I really wish this forum would get back to just talking and giving practical advice about Medellin. But I wanted to reply to this post. Your perceptions of top escorts in the US is incorrect. A top-rated escort (model like looks, not girl-next door) in Miami who does a great GFE and more, with top ratings everywhere, is around $500/ HR. And she doesn't really watch the clock at that rate. Other top ones can be found for $350-400/ HR. Sure; you can always find exceptions that charge more (nothing is separated faster than a fool and his money), but the US top talent average is nowhere near the 1 K you quote.

If you talk to Medellin pros (those who have been doing this actively for 3 years or more), you will learn that yes, Medellin is not what it once was. But not the way you think. They tell me that it is harder and more difficult to find good clients, the 'party-bros' are terrible clients, and the previous wave of retirees and remote workers was much better. Some are moving away to Spain and other locations because they feel Medellin is 'drying up' for good clients. Just because you find the Instagram for some lucky ones who did trips doesn't mean they are all doing trips. While inflation is making everything more expensive, these girls tell me they are having to settle for $300-ish even if that is worth less to them than it was two years ago.

But let's talk what girls charge. They don't have a 'set price'. Most girls relate the money they get to frequency of work. Lots of $300 K guys means they need to get 3-4 (or more) a week to meet their financial needs. Find two $600 k guys and you did the same for half the work. There isn't the biggest 'business sense' here, if they hit their financial budget -- they go to party or shopping, they aren't wise enough to keep working to 'get ahead'. I've explained it before, the girls work with a range, usually looking at a mental minimum. They will take all you are willing to give them, but most will settle for a minimum of $300 k. Doesn't mean they will be thrilled and will most likely want to get a 2nd client that night. If they get $400-500 k then they seem to be more happy and less concerned and will hang with you all night. At $600 k I find most are willing to spend the night unless there's a child / pet situation that needs advance arrangement.

Asking initially for $600 k-$900 k in Park Llares is common as it is 'twice as hard and twice as dangerous' and a lot of party-bros are idiots, so might as well make the money and compensate for the fact that good hookups at the park are more difficult. But it doesn't mean those girls at the park clubs are better off financially or of higher quality. It is just the reality of the place and situation.[/QUOTE]300 k minimum doesn't make them thrilled? How about 40 k "gems" that some mfs have been talking about recently? To make 400 k they got to serve 10 dicks LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928401][b]4. Higher price almost never means higher quality[/b].[/QUOTE]100%.

I had a friend that had a thriving business. He purchased the same bags made for the luxury brands. He then added the items that made them unique after the bag was purchased. He sold them for 10% of the price of the "originals". How did he do this? These companies make a production run. If the run is for 1000 then they run 1200 - 1300 and sell the remainder to an off brander like my friend. Everyone wins.

Now higher price can mean higher quality. But usually the value of the quality is in the eyes of the individual purchaser. I think Apple Products are superior. They cost more than the equivalent version of the competing brands. I pay those costs. Because I value what I get out of Apple Products. I have an Android Phone and a Pixel. Do they do the job they were designed for? They sure do. So, why do I prefer Apple Products? Is it because they are of higher quality? No. It is because of my personal preferences. That's all. My android and pixel phones function just fine. I just prefer the Apple UI.

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