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[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1104426]Sidney,
I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money. [/QUOTE]The rest of the story is: Politur told her to give them all her money or spend the night in jail. Her mother paid nothing. She asked me for nothing!
[QUOTE=Sidney;1104855]The rest of the story is: Politur told her to give them all her money or spend the night in jail. Her mother paid nothing. She asked me for nothing![/QUOTE]Hey Sid,
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Maybe if you told the whole story to begin with you wouldn't have gotten the response that you did.
Anyway the fact is that 90% of the chicas in Sosua would have used the instance to try and extract pesos from a gringo's pocket, that is a fact that you or anyone else on this board can not dispute, I'm glad your GFE Haitiana is of the other 10% variety, enough said.
[QUOTE=Forcesteeler; 1104630]I Was in Sousa from Dec 16-20. I Think this whole crackdown is blown out of proportion. This is my 3rd trip to DR this year.
I got there Thursday Morning and took the 8:30am flight from JFK and got there around 1:00pm Sousa Time. I stayed at New Gardens and was greeted by the Dominican Clerk at the front desk, and also met Wilfred the German Manager. The Atmosphere was pretty much the same. This time I must admit I You do not see any beggers and hustle men like I did before.
They still had chicas walking up and down, As long as they had I'd or was with a Gringo The Police will leave them alone. I Think there trying to push everything indoors and not in the open like that. You have to remember they are people that live in Sousa and they don't want to walk down the street and see Chica Puta Hoes with tight dresses walking up and down talking about Freaky Freaky and come fuck my pussy its not a good look.
Its a Buyer Market right now and we went to Classico's that night and It was stupid packed with chicas that Thursday, I'm talking over 200+ chicas. The Chicas are desperate and you can offer them 1000-1500 pesos and they will take it because if they don't someone will. The Open Bars were still packed.
I don't think this crackdown will change anything, At the end of the Day we are a Global Worldwide Recession.
And Dominican Republic is a poor country and people got to eat. Also even if you try to turn Sousa into a Tourist Spot that will take Years maybe even a decade before investors get a return on there money.
Sousa is a very boring place and there's nothing really to do, What would make a tourist choose Sousa over the rest of the Caribbean. I Think they will be a huge backlash. [/QUOTE]Good news on the bars, the chicas, and the "toto market"; and we thank you for that.
I sincerely hope that the Powers That Be in Sosua will be satisfied to get the sex-trade "out of your face" rather than trying to close it down entirely. Much as I enjoy seeing a cute girl strut her stuff in a tight mini-dress or painted-on jeans, I can see how the residents would be put off by the show, night after night, right out there on the street. And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.
"Turning Sosua into a tourist spot" will take years, but I've heard substantial rumors that there is a master plan for a "new improved Sosua" carried in that direction. Trouble is, So-Sewer has an "image problem" that puts off investors, and we are "the problem" to their way of thinking. Make it look decent and wholesome, and it'll be that much more attractive to the buyer. First step is to "get rid of the sex trade," the riff-raff, the punters and their putas. How do we get the punters out of Sosua? Well, how about if we get the chicas out of the street? I believe that may be the reasoning behind Politur's "whack-a-mole" campaign. Is it working? For some; look at what Sidney had to say about his Haitiana girlfriend.
Will it stop the sex-trade entirely? I'm sure it won't. It may drive it indoors; it probably will make it a whole lot less blatant, at least on the street; but there are loads and loads of Dominican men in the country, too, who are looking to get their freak on. It won't go away, just "behind the curtains".
Personally, I could still be happy with a 'toto market' that's less in-your-face; even though my mid-October visit [i]did[/i] Get me ready for the new TSA Enhanced Pat-Down technique.
[QUOTE=Westy; 1104890]Good news on the bars, the chicas, and the "toto market"; and we thank you for that.
I sincerely hope that the Powers That Be in Sosua will be satisfied to get the sex-trade "out of your face" rather than trying to close it down entirely. Much as I enjoy seeing a cute girl strut her stuff in a tight mini-dress or painted-on jeans, I can see how the residents would be put off by the show, night after night, right out there on the street. And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.
"Turning Sosua into a tourist spot" will take years, but I've heard substantial rumors that there is a master plan for a "new improved Sosua" carried in that direction. Trouble is, So-Sewer has an "image problem" that puts off investors, and we are "the problem" to their way of thinking. Make it look decent and wholesome, and it'll be that much more attractive to the buyer. First step is to "get rid of the sex trade," the riff-raff, the punters and their putas. How do we get the punters out of Sosua? Well, how about if we get the chicas out of the street? I believe that may be the reasoning behind Politur's "whack-a-mole" campaign. Is it working? For some; look at what Sidney had to say about his Haitiana girlfriend.
Will it stop the sex-trade entirely? I'm sure it won't. It may drive it indoors; it probably will make it a whole lot less blatant, at least on the street; but there are loads and loads of Dominican men in the country, too, who are looking to get their freak on. It won't go away, just "behind the curtains".
Personally, I could still be happy with a 'toto market' that's less in-your-face; even though my mid-October visit [i]did[/i] Get me ready for the new TSA Enhanced Pat-Down technique. [/QUOTE]As usual you make complete sense. But BQ made a good point about his visit 5 years ago, when the hotels were NOT chica friendly. As a more "family friendly" enviornment evolves, making the hotel NOT chica friendly kills the game.
There are several communities that feed off Sosua. Charmico, La Union, Montellano, and Puerto plata are a few. How will they make up for this lost income? (sosua tricking). Actually with limited mongerers, pussy prices will come down. Taking pussy indoors is just part of the transition. (1) Clean the streets (2) Promote the beach and daytime non mongering activities (3) Establish non chica friendly hotels. (4) shut down Classicos as we know it. One day Classicos will be for karyoke and square dancing.
Once the local communities feel the cash flow lost, look for communities outside of Sosua to become more mongerer friendly. But it will be on a lowkey and limited basis.
People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.
It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive.
[QUOTE=Westy; 1104890]And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.
[/QUOTE]That fickie fickie grope, is them trying to pickpocket you! Watch it! LOL
[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1104920]People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.
It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive. [/QUOTE]Well said!
The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).
The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus).
[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1104920]As usual you make complete sense. But BQ made a good point about his visit 5 years ago, when the hotels were NOT chica friendly. As a more "family friendly" enviornment evolves, making the hotel NOT chica friendly kills the game.
There are several communities that feed off Sosua. Charmico, La Union, Montellano, and Puerto plata are a few. How will they make up for this lost income? (sosua tricking). Actually with limited mongerers, pussy prices will come down. Taking pussy indoors is just part of the transition. (1) Clean the streets (2) Promote the beach and daytime non mongering activities (3) Establish non chica friendly hotels. (4) shut down Classicos as we know it. One day Classicos will be for karyoke and square dancing.
Once the local communities feel the cash flow lost, look for communities outside of Sosua to become more mongerer friendly. But it will be on a lowkey and limited basis.
People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.
It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1105050]The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).
The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus). [/QUOTE]Bingo Jao, its not about the international tourist. Its about a Russian beach town. They tried Cabarette two years ago but the logistics (one small road, hells angels, surfer / kite surfer boys) didn't cooperate plus their money stated thinking bigger. Will it work? Yes.
Russians do their own thing and fly under the radar. Plus its not about the fiesta amd pussy, its about having their thing. Once they set up the Italian and German owners in Sosua will be glad to sell. As I once stated I saw a double decker jet at Pop but I never saw Russians, its a covert operation.
[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1105050]The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).
The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus). [/QUOTE]That is an excellent point, Jao,"more impressed." I think you may have hit the nail squarely on the Mayor's manicured thumb.
Boris Bigrubles Badenov comes in to town, buys a plot of land, brings in an architect and builds a "dacha". That's a lot of money coming into the community, with construction workers, buying building supplies, plumbing and electrical work, yadda yadda yadda. When it's built, he hires a staff to take care of him and guards to keep him safe. Money coming into the local economy on a constant, consistent basis. And it's taxable. I grabbed this off the internet, and yes, it applies to expats who spend more than 183 days of any given tax year in-country:
[quote= Guzmán Ariza & Asociados, S. A. 2007]Individuals obtaining income from a Dominican source or from financial investments abroad shall pay taxes as per the following scale (Art. 296) , in Dominican pesos (R. D. $) :
• Income up to R. D. $290, 243. 00 annually: exempt.
• R. D. $290, 243. 01. Road $435, 364. 00:15.
• R. D. $435, 364. 01. Road$604, 672. 00: Road $21, 769 plus 20% of income above Road $435, 364. 0.
• Income above R. D. $604, 672. 01: Road $55, 630 plus 25% of income above R. D. $604, 672. 01. [/quote]Now maybe Boris can find a way around the income tax, or at least minimize it; but there are also real-estate taxes, asset taxes (on that big vehicle) , business taxes, other taxes. Visions of dollar signs dance in the Mayor's head. It's really good for the economy. And who knows what other shake-downs can be gotten out of a wealthy resident who "needs privacy" but is so big on the local radar?
For that matter, any expat retiree from a "wealthy" country is going to be putting tax money into the national and state coffers. And they're going to be buying stuff on the local economy, year-in, year-out: food, fuel, medical expenses, electricity, water & sewage services if they're available, equipment such as inversors and battery banks to cope with the Dom Rep power grid, and so forth. And replacements and repairs, when their Dominican-built crackerbox-palaces start falling apart.
What follows is mere speculation:
Let's be really visionary, and cater to the "rich expats" by building a golf course in that big cattle-farm west of Seahorse Ranch. Millions and millions ($US or €) would go into such a project; it would be run as a business, whether a "membership country club" or an "open" (but surely expensive) course; not only would it improve the desirability of Sosua as a retirement destination, but it would be yet another cash cow for the Sosua government.
Same thing with replacing the barrio of Los Charamicos with an spiffy new yacht marina. It takes wealth to park a good-sized yacht in a marina, and live in a villa nearby. Someone sees a lot of money coming in from dock fees, slip rentals, hauling the boats for major work, and all of that; and, being a big visible business, the "assets tax" and "corporate tax" and all other taxes will help to fill coffers and line pockets all the way.
Of course, all of these big projects could go the way that many of those Playa Dorada AI's are going, I. E. Broke. Especially if they're run poorly, sold downstream to other investors, left to go to seed. But are the purveyors of the "Sosua Grand Master Plan" going to mention that possibility to Madam Mayor and the Powers That Be? If you were in the planner's place, would you?
By comparison, what does the municipality get from the visiting monger? Not near as much. Hotel tax, yes. If there's a tax on restaurant meals, or beer and alcohol served at a bar, yes (though it would be "the same" whether bought by a monger or bought by a nice retired couple living off their taxable investment income). Does the chica we bring back to the New Garden for the night pay income tax on her 'mil quinientos'? I would be surprised.
The picture of "all that development money" would be dazzling to any mayor, alcalde, or municipal manager. As Mr. Gogo says, though, Sosua would have to "clean the streets" and decent-up the town, before the developers will even break ground.
We tomcats will have to learn to prowl without the yowl.
[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1105050]The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).
The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus). [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Westy;1105142]That is an excellent point, Jao,"more impressed." I think you may have hit the nail squarely on the Mayor's manicured thumb..........................We tomcats will have to learn to prowl without the yowl.[/QUOTE]Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.
[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1105151]Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.[/QUOTE]
I finally did find some planners' conceptions for the "new Sosua". This is what they'd like to do to Los Charamicos:
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There's some more "master plan" information on DR1; vBulletin asterisked-out the URL when I tried to post it, but I found it by Googling "sosua master plan".
Definitely a "show-me-the-money" situation here; but it could be that "the money" has decided that the time is right, especially if they are secure at having Madam Mayor in their pocket.
(My own self-interest as a boater comes up: How much per foot, per night, to get a transient slip in that marina? How much per foot per month, or per year, if I live there?)
[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1105151]Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.[/QUOTE]It may not be missed by the politicians, police and other Dominicans that have money, for awhile. But to the poor communities that feed off the Sosua hooker trade, that influx of revenue will be missed. Maybe you can explain how non taxed income directly injected into a poor household will be replaced?
Hmmm Lets see! Sosua and Charamicos the West's NEW SAN TROPEZ. Jajaja. I don't know. Just can't swallow that one yet, just can't picture what a monumental project that would be. I doubt it though. Maybe not in our lifetimes but who knows. I think the puteria will always be there, Now its moved slightly underground? So what we will work around it. Get some chicas phone numbers from the night before. Call them to hang out at the beach in the am's and for afternoon sessions. There is nothing a determined monger can't overcome. One things for sure though is I will have to pickup a cellphone for the first time in 10 years of going to Sosua. To be on the safe side and have numbers for daytime action!
[quote=miamiheatluver;1105166]hmmm lets see! sosua and charamicos the west's new san tropez. jajaja. i don't know. just can't swallow that one yet, just can't picture what a monumental project that would be. i doubt it though. maybe not in our lifetimes but who knows. i think the puteria will always be there, now its moved slightly underground? so what we will work around it. get some chicas phone numbers from the night before. call them to hang out at the beach in the am's and for afternoon sessions. there is nothing a determined monger can't overcome. one things for sure though is i will have to pickup a cellphone for the first time in 10 years of going to sosua. to be on the safe side and have numbers for daytime action![/quote]times square in new york city used be a bit of a hell hole, cheapy porn theaters and cheap martial arts shops (the peep shows i enjoyed in the old times square). now times square has the lion king show, wax museum and other main stream businesses.
i lived in tribeca in lower manhattan for 20 years, when i first started living there, there were many abandoned and gutted warehouses and other buildings that were just vacant with rats and pigeons living in them. now tribeca is a luxury neighborhood (all the old, empty, forlorn warehouses have been converted to luxury condominiums) , even subaru named a car tribeca.
neighborhoods can change and perceptions of neighborhoods can change. sosua is ten minutes from a international airport that has many international flights, as such sosua is a relatively easy destination to reach (no long car / bus / taxi from the airport) , the road from the airport to sosua is fairly scenic (unlike the ride from sdq to boca chica which is a dirty road). the international airport in samana does not have many flights and from what i remember that international airport in samana to las terrenas was more than 10 minutes.
i don't know if there is a nice marina for luxury yachts on the north coast. on the south coast in la romana there is a marina with luxury yachts and a high end complex called casa de campo.
i know that there have been plans for years to relocate the people from charamicos and turn that area over to russian developers. as mr gogo has said previously the dr is dotted with failed real estate projects, so who knows what the future will hold for sosua.