Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374405]I'm a newb and heading to Bogota on Thursday - 9/26-9/30.

Not sure I'll be able to find - "a 2-story commercial building on the next corner south from Parque Calle 106" (what's the cross street).

Could you be a little descriptive as to the address. Thanks. Def. Want to check out the mezzanine (s).[/QUOTE]You'll find them easily enough. It's actually quite obvious once you're there.

There are very cute girls there, but be prepared for some very small spaces and a real lack of privacy.

On the corner across from the gas station. Up the stairs. You can't miss it.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2362106] Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.[/QUOTE]"Weak men"? That's very good on the self-awareness aspect.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374404]This is on point-.

Don't. I repeat. Don't fall in love. Do not. Do not. Why am I saying this. Because I did. And it didn't end well unfortunately. I didn't even meet a working girl. Met her on the cable car going up to Parque Arvi in Medellin with her son. The problem. They know you are leaving. And they don't want that. So even if they are sincere (mine was. I think) they need you to live there. Those that are working. Well that's another story.[/QUOTE]Met 2 girls in a cable car coming down from Parque Arvi. They were very friendly and I could have easily chosen one for nocturnal action. But then I figured that's one girl for the same amount of time as I can bang many hookers and I bummed out. The girls did not look happy when I did not ask for their contacts.

[QUOTE=Routard;2368678]In Colombia people use cash to pay the most unlikely things. I sold my car 2 month ago, the woman took the cash money from her handbag as if she was paying a coffee. People queue every month to pay cash their gas, electricity, water, phone bill or apartment rental. And a hooker will ask a bank account transfer???[/QUOTE]The reason for the widespread use of cash is that the banks charge too much for almost everything: ATM withdrawals, ATM balance check, credit card monthly fee, debit card monthly fee, etc etc some banks even charge a fee for the sole reason of having an account with them. This has led to people from lower incomes stopping usage of banks altogether.

- Overall, Columbia doesn't seem too bad scam-wise, for a "3rd" world country. It seems I get charged normal prices from food carts and restaurants without posted prices, unlike Vietnam.

- Note, I look like a tourist. After I say anything, it's obvious I'm a tourist.

- Taxi drivers waiting at the airport have attempted to scam me every time. I've only used it 3 times. Now I use Uber, even with the hassle of the airport pick-up. The meters in Bogota are translated via a chart to calculate the fare. The first time, the taxi driver pointed at the meter. He wanted me to pay few hundred thousand pesos, for a 30 K fare. The other 2 times, they attempted to add around 5 or 10 K pesos. They helped load and unload my luggage. Do locals tip the taxi drivers? I don't mind tipping. I was going to tip anyway. But I hate to be extorted for a tip.

- Sometimes even away from the airport, taxi drivers attempted to get several thousand extra pesos from me. I don't believe locals tip, especially when they don't help with any bags. I normally will round up, but I hate it when they do that on their own.

- Once in Candalaria, I got into a taxi that was just parked during rush hour. Lucky day I thought. But the meter started at 25. That probably was the old starting point. It is now at 28. My scam sensor went off. I was looking at the road / meter most of the way. I put my head down for a brief moment to look at my phone. The meter went from 60 to 90 during that time. So, be careful if any meter starts at 25.

- Once I got a taxi to use the meter from Santa Fe. At the end of the ride, the meter was turned off and a LED display said something like the fare is X, which was several thousand pesos extra.

- All the waiters in the Santa Fe strip clubs are ALL scammers, if you are a tourist. They added between 2 to 14 K pesos for my beer. California club was the worst. Even one bartender lied when I asked to verify. Do locals tip for a beer? I have never seen a local tip for a beer.

- At Venus club, Club Columbia beer is 6 K. Poker is usually 1 K less. The Club Columbia beers on the other main strip clubs is either 7 or 8 K. If you guys paid 10 K for a local beer, you got ripped off. On my first night back this year, I said I would give a huge tip if any waiter gave me a beer at the correct price. None did. Now if any waiter overcharges me, I don't tip. But now, some waiters recognize me, and they don't overcharge me, forcing me to give my normal 2 K tip. LOL!

- When you use your USA credit card, most local credit card processors will give an option to charge either US dollars or COP. If US dollar is selected, they will charge 3.5% extra. IMO, that's a scam.

- I hear conflicting opinions on whether Bogota taxis are safe or not. People write, only use Call taxis, or pretend to send a picture to a friend once you get into a taxi. Many people say taxis are safe. I am more of the later opinion (taxis are safe, especially if taken from a good area), but I am still paranoid.

- Are taxis taken from Santa Fe safe? I am assuming they are. Are there any real stories of taxis drivers from Santa Fe mugging their customers? But because I'm paranoid, I normally only take taxis that are parked, where the taxi drivers are known.

- It seems many parked taxis will not use their meters, especially if they are parked on that main street. I've seen drunk locals get into and then immediately out of a parked taxi. The other night, the taxi driver requested 20 K for a max 14 K fare. It is cheaper than the Uber surge price, and definitely quicker.

- Uber sucks if you need a pick-up from Santa Fe. Many times, the Uber driver will cancel once they get to the area. They believe it's dangerous. But why the fuck do they have to wait 8 minutes to cancel. They should know what Santa Fe is. Sometimes multiple Uber drivers in a row will cancel on you. Sometimes late at night, it can take a long time to get an Uber.

- Uber surge pricing sucks. The normal taxi meter from Santa Fe to Zona Rosa will be between 11 - 14 K. Uber will be between 10600 - 38000 pesos.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2375058]- I hear conflicting opinions on whether Bogota taxis are safe or not. People write, only use Call taxis, or pretend to send a picture to a friend once you get into a taxi. Many people say taxis are safe. I am more of the later opinion (taxis are safe, especially if taken from a good area), but I am still paranoid.

- Are taxis taken from Santa Fe safe? I am assuming they are. Are there any real stories of taxis drivers from Santa Fe mugging their customers? But because I'm paranoid, I normally only take taxis that are parked, where the taxi drivers are known.

- It seems many parked taxis will not use their meters, especially if they are parked on that main street. I've seen drunk locals get into and then immediately out of a parked taxi. The other night, the taxi driver requested 20 K for a max 14 K fare. It is cheaper than the Uber surge price, and definitely quicker.

- Uber sucks if you need a pick-up from Santa Fe. Many times, the Uber driver will cancel once they get to the area. They believe it's dangerous. But why the fuck do they have to wait 8 minutes to cancel. They should know what Santa Fe is. Sometimes multiple Uber drivers in a row will cancel on you. Sometimes late at night, it can take a long time to get an Uber.

- Uber surge pricing sucks. The normal taxi meter from Santa Fe to Zona Rosa will be between 11 - 14 K. Uber will be between 10600 - 38000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Remember the days of flagging down a taxi, getting in, and getting dropped off at a fair price? That still exists. I always negotiate a price first, regardless of a meter, always pay for everything in cash that I brought over from home, and stay in a place where I'll be spending the most time. Do that, and you'll save yourself a lot of headaches. If you like Santa Fe so much, just find a little hotel in the area and walk there, skipping the taxis.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2375121]If you like Santa Fe so much, just find a little hotel in the area and walk there, skipping the taxis.[/QUOTE]On my first trip to Santa Fe, I was paranoid. As I got more comfortable with Santa Fe, it grew on me. But, Santa Fe is still a shithole. I can't stay there 24 hours a day.

I need to stay in an area like Zona Rosa / Zona T. I need a place to eat, drink and play poker (Casino Luckia) in safety. IMO, Zona Rosa is very safe, contrary to what some posters write.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2375163]On my first trip to Santa Fe, I was paranoid. As I got more comfortable with Santa Fe, it grew on me. But, Santa Fe is still a shithole. I can't stay there 24 hours a day.

I need to stay in an area like Zona Rosa / Zona T. I need a place to eat, drink and play poker (Casino Luckia) in safety. IMO, Zona Rosa is very safe, contrary to what some posters write.[/QUOTE]I don't need a Zona Rosa, but I definitely would not stay in Santa Fe either. To me, it is just a place to go get your rocks off then leave, not somewhere to make a vacation of.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2373517]The Venezuela crisis has been good for Bogota.[/QUOTE]- Definitely agree. Santa Fe is amazing. It seems that I've been offered lower average prices compared to 2.5 years ago.

- I've been asked for 25, 30, 35, 40, and 45 K pesos for a session. 30 and 40 K are the 2 numbers I hear most often. I hear 40 K around the main square block. I hear 30 K around the outskirts.

- How long is a standard session? I guess it depends on when that dreaded knock on the door comes. Most girls say 15 or 20 minutes. Some Vennies say 30 minutes.

- The problem is that they knock on the door after approx 12 minutes, indicating time is up. Sometimes, I get 1 hour, but the knock still comes early at 40 minutes.

- What is the standard on who pays for the room? I thought I read that the girl pays for it if you are a local. But most of the time, the girl gets the tourist to pay for it. But some of the Vennies are so new and fresh that they haven't learned how to manipulate the customer into paying for the room.

- What is the standard on if you pay after or before? I thought it was afterwards. Most girls demand the money upfront. Sometimes I just leave the money on the table, and they don't pick it up until afterwards.

- I like to know the standard. More info to judge the girl. I like to get a girl for a quickie. Do a test drive. Then if everything is good, I rent them for an hour. The girls seem to be very happy with 100 K for 1 hour, with me paying for the room. I jokingly tell them, isn't the standard 70 K for 1 hour. Then they reply, yes, but that is just normal stuff. We do everything for that higher price. BBBJ, CIM, lesbian rimming. Yes they do!

- Many girls will renege in the room. Some will not do the things they promised. Some will ask for more money. Some will say no more BBBJ after a few minutes. I try not to get angry. It is a cost of doing business, and it is so cheap.

- Many girls in Santa Fe are decent. Some girls were stunners 20 years ago. Some girls could be stunners if they lost 20 kilos. Some girls are very cute, but are of dubious age. And of course, many girls are ugly.

- There are some cute Vennies out there. They are desperate. It seems they are only allowed to use some of the motels since they don't have a Colombian ID. There's one that uses the motel next to California Club. Alajendra. 19 years old. No baby. Recommended. She's a white Vennie with blackish toes. She said she got frostbite walking from Cucuta to Bogota. She has only been here for a few months.

- I much prefer Bogota's Santa Fe over Medellin's Veracruz. Bogota has so much more girls and options.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2375190]The girls seem to be very happy with 100 K for 1 hour, [/QUOTE]I am sure they are. I have gotten most chicks in Santa Fe to agree to 100K for all night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375198]I am sure they are. I have gotten most chicks in Santa Fe to agree to 100K for all night.[/QUOTE]LOL! I like to make the girls happy. I definitely will not DATY or even kiss a SW.

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Yes, the 100 K pesos for 1 hour is a lot higher than the hourly minimum wage of 3,450 COP, or even the daily minimum wage of 27,604 COP.

I talked to several girls. One average girl said she makes between 100 - 200 COP a day. An above average girl with a great 18 year old body said she makes 150 K on a bad day, and between 300 - 400 COP on a good day.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374404]
Don't. I repeat. Don't fall in love. Do not. Do not. Why am I saying this. Because I did. And it didn't end well unfortunately. I didn't even meet a working girl. Met her on the cable car going up to Parque Arvi in Medellin with her son. The problem. They know you are leaving. And they don't want that. So even if they are sincere (mine was. I think) they need you to live there. Those that are working. Well that's another story.[/QUOTE]Most times, you fall in love, it is not going to end well, and there is going to be pain. Half of all marriages. On the other hand, my ex kind of showed me that deep down that I wanted a stable relationship but it turns out it was not with her. But I think it's important to point out that some STRs are a pain too: no shows, poor performance ETC.

This last trip to Colombia I only focused on the women I had previously met. I had my fun or two on Santa Fe and with a few of the younger women I had previously met and two new ones, but they were definitely more escorts than SBs. Out of the dozen or more I met, there were two that I had met that had LTR potential, and they both worked so I wasn't able to spend much time with them.

One worked at a store in the mall, was free one day away a week and was in her 30's. This was the kind of woman everyone told me to look for. She was either #1 or #2 in terms of being striking, competed back in the day in the Ms. Venezuela competition even though she had dual Venezuelan-Colombian citizenship, and I could see why. She had a perfect hour glass figure, clothes were well picked out and put together, and she sang a song for me that was indistinguishable from the original and was pitch perfect. She danced like a pro and had, and I don't know how to describe this, an incredibly sexy walk. She told me that she hadn't had sex in a year, and given how tight she was, how horny she was, and how bad she was at giving head, I believed her. Once again, we spent all night going at it, and the next day we went to the mall. It was there that things got rocky.

She works in a mall, and I think that she has had to see time and again, things that she wants and can't have. She wanted everything, and it was so bad I put her on a budget. She fretted at first but then lived within it. Her needs were getting out of debt. Once she did that, she could get a Spanish passport and could travel visa free to the USA Whenever she wanted. Thing was if I got her out of debt, she was free to see any other American guy as well. During our mall trip, she spent half of what it would have cost to get her out of debt.

During the time, I communicated with the ex, and I realized that this woman brought to the table the same things the ex did. In the end, she would be there for sex, companionship, and to have a beautiful, talented, and highly intelligent woman on my arm, and that was it. In return, she would expect to be pampered, to eat at the best restaurants, have the most fashionable clothes ETC, and she showed less restraint with this than my ex did. I remembered what the psychologist on narcissism had said: you want a partner who makes you feel good. This was a woman who could make you look good but suck you dry money wise.

Thing is she did have a thing for great restaurants. I went to Andres DC in Zona T and had the best meal I had in Bogota, and the second best was Smoking Molly, a jazz type bar with amazing food. My conversations with the ex though had me convinced I was making the same mistake again. I was focusing on what made me look good versus someone who made me feel good.

There was a teacher I had seen. She wasn't as stunning but very attractive. She was like an 8 out of 10, but she was very upbeat, lit up the room with her smile, and children unlike my ex ran up to her as if they were life long friends. When we first met, I was between hotels, and she helped me pack and move. Instead of asking for an Uber, she took the bus and was happy to do so. She was an incredibly giving lover. We never talked price, and when I did finally give her money, she said, "I am not here for that" and didn't even count it.

So I reached out to her again. She came via bus, was happy with a simple meal, and at this time, after having my fun, I told her I wanted to get to know her better. She had quit her teaching job due to the long hours, and she was making it baby sitting for now. I was skeptical that she was still seeing other men, but she said that she had only been with six men in her life. One one night stand, two BFs, and me and two other guys from seeking arrangement. She said that she hadn't been on the website in over a month, and she felt badly about being on it. I checked and it was true. She had just broken up with her BF a year ago after being with him for 10 years. There were still pics of him on her social media page, and she unlike my ex was very open about showing me everything.

On our second night together, I had grown tired of the cold in Bogota. My father told me the best way to get to know someone was to take a trip with them. I told her that I longed to go somewhere warm. I had heard of Cartagena and Santa Marta, and she told me that Santa Marta was good as was San Andres. I had never heard of San Andres but I could tell she really wanted to go. For last minute type of planning, the flights were cheap and we got a good deal on the hotel room. She was glowing after we got the tickets, and I then asked her, "Have you been on a plane before?" She told me that she had one time when she was seven. She was going to pack her one athletic bag (she had no suitcases), but on the way out of the hotel room with great excitement in her voice, she said, "I love you. " Given that my Spanish and her English weren't that great, I wasn't sure she understood the significance of the words, and I didn't repeat them back to her.

I read on this forum that some guys didn't like San Andres, and I really don't know what they are talking about. We loved every second of it. Issues emerge when we were traveling as they always do, and she and I calmly found a way to solve things. When we went to the nearby islands, we missed out boat back, but she calmly found us another ride. The other boat had a tour guide, and he was better. That guide took us to a place where we saw manta rays, and at the end, he asked us all to look for a starfish. We located one, the guide dove in and grabbed it, and we all took pictures with it. It was an unforgettable experience.

Yes, she was the same incredible lover every night, but it was the little things that mattered. When we went to buy groceries, she got a body lotion and spent 30 minutes every night giving me a massage. There were the times on the boat and beach, she reached out and grabbed my hand and stroked my skin. Many times, she reached in her own wallet to pay for things versus looking at me.

One thing when being with the ex was that I NEVER saw a more attractive woman when we were out together. Granted, we spent most of our time in Mexico and Peru and not in Argentina or Brazil, but this time in San Andres, I did see women physically as attractive as mine, but they gave off this bitchy, entitled vibe my gal didn't. When I started taking pictures of her, I realized that the same friendly, giving spirit she had in real life came off in the photos. I didn't see anyone I wanted more, and there were hundreds of biking clad women on the beaches.

I told her that I wanted to see her every month. My job will allow me to see her on weekends if she comes to Mexico every month, but we are going to work on getting her a tourist and then possibly a student visa. I am going to pay for her English classes and the amount I give her per month would be the same as an hour for an escort in the USA It's not as much as she was making as a teacher, but she said, "I will work as a waitress and keep up with my babysitting, and it will be the same as my teaching salary. " Those jobs will give her the flexibility in her schedule.

When we got back to Bogota, we had sex again, and she had to leave. She repeated those three words, and I said, "I love you too". Still, even thought the words were said, I don't have the same emotional depth I had with the ex. I have great affection for her, but I am not in love with her. If I didn't hear from her again, I would be bummed but not emotionally devastated. Hopefully, the in love part will come later.

I get what the guys are saying here. You need to be with them every day and maybe that is true, but my gal didn't like to drink and seemed pretty happy spending her nights caring for children instead of being out partying. She has been tight with her family so she has companions in her life, and she has had long term relationships before and I can see on her social media pages that she has had life long friends. Unlike so many other women, she seems to be one who can defer gratification.

The Ven-Col beauty is on the website every day and outside of my woman, she was the other best LTR prospect. The other women I met were if not escorts, escortish, and I think anyone falling for them would get in trouble. They were stunning to look at, sexually were amazing, and they had that Colombian vibe where they make a man feel so special.

Still, if this doesn't work out, I will probably give up on a LTR with a Latin American woman and focus on American women. It's just hard given the higher quality of woman available in the South American countries.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374404]Don't. I repeat. Don't fall in love. Do not. Do not. Why am I saying this. Because I did. And it didn't end well unfortunately. I didn't even meet a working girl. Met her on the cable car going up to Parque Arvi in Medellin with her son. The problem. They know you are leaving. And they don't want that. So even if they are sincere (mine was. I think) they need you to live there. Those that are working. Well that's another story.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. I have been in relationships with women from various countries for the last 20 years and have not had any heartache or anything ending badly. Most I could even call tomorrow if I wanted to start again. And these are women that I have given ZERO money to. You gave no specifics on why not. You just ordered everyone DON'T! Care to elaborate? These are recent conversations with exes from Brazil, Peru, Venezuela, and Colombia.