[QUOTE=Boater Boy; 1103002]Wha kind of a dummy am I? No please do not answer.
Jsut found the link on the forum.
Deeply reb Boater Boy[/QUOTE]Well done mate!
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[QUOTE=Boater Boy; 1103002]Wha kind of a dummy am I? No please do not answer.
Jsut found the link on the forum.
Deeply reb Boater Boy[/QUOTE]Well done mate!
[QUOTE=Edward M; 1100918]I am planning on taking a 2 week or so trip to Thailand in a few months. While I am there I thought it might be nice to shoot over to Angeles City for a few days while I am there. What would be the most cost-efficient way to do this? Should I try to book the flight (BKK to MNL or BKK to CRK) from the US or from Thailand?
A quick internet search shows me flights from BKK to CRK for a 4 day trip at over $2000 with at least one stop and around $550 direct to MNL. I have heard that cheap flights can be found between these two locations but I cannot find them. Any advice? Note this question will also be posted in the Philippines forum. [/QUOTE]Try this link. They fly direct.
[url]http://www.cebupacificair.com/[/url]
Other option is via Kuala Lumpur.
[url]http://www.airasia.com/kh/en/home.html[/url]
Why do you want to go to AC? Pattaya is the same and 100 times bigger.
[Quote]Bangkok Post. 23/12/10: The legal age [in Thailand] at which a woman can be taken as a sex partner will increase from 15 to 20 under a new proposal, as the government seeks new ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/212709/legal-age-for-sex-tipped-to-rise-to-20[/url]
[/Quote]The sex police are going to have a lot of fun trying to enforce this one, I think.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1105146]The sex police are going to have a lot of fun trying to enforce this one, I think.[/QUOTE]Well, no need for sex police, the hotels & MPs will enforce it and that's quite easy for them to do.
This is bad news for mongers, take out some percentage of supply (18-20) out of the market.
It's a stupid way of tackling unwanted pregnancies, don't they see it hasn't worked for other countries that raised the age of consent. As someone commented below the article it just increases the number of abortions and makes criminals out of boys! Nuts.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1105146]The sex police are going to have a lot of fun trying to enforce this one, I think.[/QUOTE]About four years ago, the Bangkok Post wrote the following sentences:
[QUOTE=Bangkok Post]"Health authorities have stepped up measures to curb alcohol consumption among youth by moving up the minimum legal age of buyers from 18 to 25 years."
"The measure to raise the legal minimum age of buyers is part of a national campaign to save Thai youth from alcohol abuse."[/QUOTE]Did it happen for the drinking age? Not yet! So, I don't believe that the age of consent in Thailand will be raised anytime soon either. To prevent unwanted pregnancies (and STDs too!), the government should better educate Thai youth and promote safe sex practices.
About which percentage of the girls in Pattaya who work in the beer bars and GoGo bars agree to BBFS?
[QUOTE=Pussycheck;1106070]About which percentage of the girls in Pattaya who work in the beer bars and GoGo bars agree to BBFS?[/QUOTE]My guess would be about 90. And then for the 10% that say no, offer them 500thb Extra and they will say yes.
So that makes it 100% I guess
Ok, how do I start that one.
I got to talking to a friend of mine (BKK Resident) who will turn 40 soon and was telling me about this thing he wants to do.
He has a new GIK who is 19 years old and asked me (of all people) wether it was ok to get Viagra or Cialis or whatever for himself. He wants to have an all night sex marathon with this woman and needs help from enhancers. He has never used them before and isn't sure about wether he is fit enough. He was thinking 1/2 tablet and asked me what I thought. He also does not know which to purchase between Viagra, Cialis and others.
I have no idea and have never used this stuff so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1106243]Ok, how do I start that one.
I got to talking to a friend of mine. And [he] was telling me about this thing he wants to do. He wants to have an all night sex marathon with this woman and needs help from enhancers. He has never used them before and isn't sure about wether he is fit enough. He was thinking 1/2 tablet and asked me what I thought. He also does not know which to purchase between Viagra, Cialis and others.
I have no idea and have never used this stuff so any help would be appreciated. [/QUOTE]Several years ago, after my routine annual physical examination and a careful reading of my blood tests; my internist from the Cleveland Clinic Florida prescribed Levitra. He told me I should first try Levitra and see if there were any negative reactions to the drug. If no negative reactions occured, he would then prescribe Cialis. I now use 20mg Cialis exclusively and it works perfectly. Since the effects last for 36 hours, I don't even think about when to take it. However, when I am on one of my Asian excursions, having sex multiple times a day, every day for weeks, I will break the pill in two and take a lighter doss every 24 hours. No side effects.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1106159]My guess would be about 90. And then for the 10% that say no, offer them 500thb Extra and they will say yes.
So that makes it 100% I guess[/QUOTE]Maybe those figures are accurate for BBBJ, but I don't think that it is the case for BBFS, at least, according to my older Farang friends here that indulge in bareback sex (several among them told me that they can't cum when using a condom)... or you will need much more than a 500 baht incentive to convince the provider in numerous cases, methinks.
[QUOTE=Goyave;1106310]Maybe those figures are accurate for BBBJ, but I don't think that it is the case for BBFS, at least, according to my older Farang friends here that indulge in bareback sex (several among them told me that they can't cum when using a condom)... or you will need much more than a 500 baht incentive to convince the provider in numerous cases, methinks.[/QUOTE]I stand Corrected. I was referring to BBBJ of course. I misread the OP's question was about BBFS.
Unless you're over 70, no point of even trying BBFS. Pure suicide.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1106243]Ok, how do I start that one.
He wants to have an all night sex marathon with this woman and needs help from enhancers. He has never used them before and isn't sure about wether he is fit enough. He was thinking 1/2 tablet and asked me what I thought. He also does not know which to purchase between Viagra, Cialis and others.
I have no idea and have never used this stuff so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks[/QUOTE]First of all, he needs to make sure he is not a heart patient. It is very risky and better of to leave a will.
Having said that, it is better to go with V (IMHO and I am not a doctor). I believe there are 2 doses. 50 & 100 mg. Cialis 10 and 20 mg. 50 mg V should suffice. Should last him 24 hrs. And it takes an hour to 2 to take effect. Cialis is a much stronger med and if he wants that, then use the 10 mg.
But to be safe he should see a doctor. BTW if you can get it up without meds and take the V or C, be prepared for an exhausting and possibly painful experience. (It takes forever to come..) :D
Nicfrenchy, Just some further information for you examination. Each one works differently. Thus they might not have the same effect. Viagra does come 50 or 100. They are good for one shot usually. Cialis stays in the body for up to 36 hours. It comes at 10 and 20 mg. I personally don't like Viagra as the results are not satisfactory. With vitamin C I usually take a 20mg to start in the morning. At night I might add a 10 or cut one of the 20 in half. The next day I can go for another 20 mg. At this point I lay off for a day and start again. Of course this is when there is much pussy to be taken.
I have had no side effects except to say that one day I thought I was done with 2 shots. Cum to find out junior didn't think so and a third was taken. I have some friends who take it like candy they say.
Still I would be sure that 20 mg is not to much for his system before adventuring further. Yes, they don't recommend it, but most pharmacutical (spelling) companies will error on the safe side to protect themselves.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1106355]First of all, he needs to make sure he is not a heart patient. It is very risky and better of to leave a will.[/QUOTE]Viagra and Cialis have pretty much the same mechanism of action although Cialis has a longer half-life, but if you take any nitrate medications such as for angina, they will both tend to dilate blood vessels and can thus cause hypotension that can be a problem. If you aren't taking such medications, you should be ok.
[QUOTE=Ezcardpm;1106426]Viagra and Cialis have pretty much the same mechanism of action although Cialis has a longer half-life, but if you take any nitrate medications such as for angina, they will both tend to dilate blood vessels and can thus cause hypotension that can be a problem. If you aren't taking such medications, you should be ok.[/QUOTE]One of the issues with using either of these has been reported to be a case of constant penile erection. This means an erection lasting for over four hours. The only remedy for this is said to be a minor surgery. Does anyone have any comment on this?
[QUOTE=Ezcardpm;1106426]Viagra and Cialis have pretty much the same mechanism of action although Cialis has a longer half-life, but if you take any nitrate medications such as for angina, they will both tend to dilate blood vessels and can thus cause hypotension that can be a problem. If you aren't taking such medications, you should be ok.[/QUOTE]True. But a lot of ignorant guys experiment with larger doses just for the kick of it and that can cause problems too. As for penile erection lasting 4 hours, I have not heard any case about it, though I must say I have experienced about 2 hrs once.
Another thing, body weight also makes a difference. Don't know why but I have seen it happen. You need a little more dosage if you are overweight, than a slim person.
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1106705]True. But a lot of ignorant guys experiment with larger doses just for the kick of it and that can cause problems too. As for penile erection lasting 4 hours, I have not heard any case about it, though I must say I have experienced about 2 hrs once.
Another thing, body weight also makes a difference. Don't know why but I have seen it happen. You need a little more dosage if you are overweight, than a slim person. [/QUOTE]There is definitely an increased chance of side effects and severity of said side effects with higher doses and priaprism is one of them, but not the most common. Some drugs have reduced effectiveness in heavier people for two reasons. One, they distribute throughout the body, so if you body is larger, there is a reduced concentration everywhere, including the penis. Also, some drugs are temporarily absorbed by the body fat and then leach out over several hours once the blood concentration goes down. That makes it less effective initially because a lot of the drug is being absorbed into the fat instead of acting at the target, and as it leaches out, it is acting over a long period of time, but is much less potent. However, I'm not sure that the second applies to Viagra or Cialis.
Really, you should just take the recommended dose and if that doesn't work for you, try a regularly prescribed higher dose. If that still doesn't work, a higher dose yet probably won't either and you should move on to another drug.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1106243]Ok, how do I start that one.
I got to talking to a friend of mine (BKK Resident) who will turn 40 soon and was telling me about this thing he wants to do.
He has a new GIK who is 19 years old and asked me (of all people) wether it was ok to get Viagra or Cialis or whatever for himself. He wants to have an all night sex marathon with this woman and needs help from enhancers. He has never used them before and isn't sure about wether he is fit enough. He was thinking 1/2 tablet and asked me what I thought. He also does not know which to purchase between Viagra, Cialis and others.
I have no idea and have never used this stuff so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Nic, there's an entire forum dedicated to Viagara, C and horny goat:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?272-Viagra-amp-other-Performance-Enhancers[/url]
I prefer "C" a small dose is all I need to rebound quicker. I'm not a Doc nor do I play one on the internets.
I have tried them all along with all the generic's. When you read the label, the method for all of them is mostly take it with a empty stomach and not with alcohol and certainly not if you have heart problem and if you are taking statins for like cholestorol. Each person is different and for me which I seem to be a exception to the rule is that I become flush, I seem to have problems with vision and I get a big migrane headache which one time I had to put over to rest. I had my eyes examine recently and it was noted by the Doctor (who is my cousin) and he noted to me that there was a marking behind my eye ball and ask if I was taking Viagra. I noted to him I have tried it but gave me problems noted above and stop since I saw no point in taking them since I'm becoming more and more Thai each day
(selfish) that after I come I see no point in sticking around and working myself to death I just don't have the desire for seconds.
In the end I believe like most that have been written it's the individual body makeup to each his own but one should get a checkup first.
LBM
yesterday morning i took a motorcycle taxi from my soi (as usual) and went to about a 20thb ride (2 sois further down).
along the way, as he is riding, the moto-taxi is telling me: "happy new year, happy new year" well, i didn't pay it too much attention.
when arriving at destination (20thb later) the taxi tells me,"100thb today for happy new year me" while giving me sad puppy eyes.
i could not help it and let a loud "hahaha", then smiled and told him: "but happy new year you songkran jai mai khrap?" he looked at me a bit surprised."today new year me" so no charge for happy new year me"
he was speechless and clearly did not know what to do. i still gave him 20thb but the look on his face was priceless!
[quote=nicfrenchy; 1107445]yesterday morning i took a motorcycle taxi from my soi (as usual) and went to about a 20thb ride (2 sois further down).
along the way, as he is riding, the moto-taxi is telling me: "happy new year, happy new year" well, i didn't pay it too much attention.
when arriving at destination (20thb later) the taxi tells me,"100thb today for happy new year me" while giving me sad puppy eyes.
i could not help it and let a loud "hahaha", then smiled and told him: "but happy new year you songkran jai mai khrap?" he looked at me a bit surprised."today new year me" so no charge for happy new year me"
he was speechless and clearly did not know what to do. i still gave him 20thb but the look on his face was priceless! [/quote]you should have given him the 100 just for the pluck of it. .
The local London mechanics want £3000 to tinker with my teeth. NHS dentists? Well, don`t know what they are here for. Too dreadful, been my unfortunate experience.
Evidently, I`m not a good search-e, and drawn a blank on the Thai threads. I know this has been covered. Could someone please give me pointers in Pattaya of a reputable dentist for my next trip?
Appreciations!
[QUOTE=Noddy; 1108009]The local London mechanics want £3000 to tinker with my teeth. NHS dentists? Well, don`t know what they are here for. Too dreadful, been my unfortunate experience.
Evidently, I`m not a good search-e, and drawn a blank on the Thai threads. I know this has been covered. Could someone please give me pointers in Pattaya of a reputable dentist for my next trip?
Appreciations! [/QUOTE]Noddy, a good friend and an excellent contrigutor, Piper1 doesn't post anymore, but he had a ton of pretty drastic work done a year or so ago in Pats. If you do a search here with posts written by him, I am sure something good will come up.
[QUOTE=Noddy; 1108009]The local London mechanics want £3000 to tinker with my teeth. NHS dentists? Well, don`t know what they are here for. Too dreadful, been my unfortunate experience.
Evidently, I`m not a good search-e, and drawn a blank on the Thai threads. I know this has been covered. Could someone please give me pointers in Pattaya of a reputable dentist for my next trip?
Appreciations! [/QUOTE]Noddy,
Since I'm visiting the States right now I don't have the exact information. Living in Pattaya, I have gone to a bunch of places and hospital throughout the years and found these two places to be the best so far.
A. German Dental, if you are heading towards Jomtien going up Thappaya Road (excuse spelling if wrong) from end of Second Road around Soi 8 or 9, there is a 7/11 on the left side the place should be right there. This place has a in house lab so if you are in a hurry can have things done in a few days unless you are looking to do implants/
B. If location (A) is too far and you don't know Pattaya, this is the place I and my family use since it is closer and slightly cheaper with the same results so far? This place is call Dental I Dea'sa located on Pattaya Klang (Central Road) up from Carrefour and Foodland on the left hand side. The outside is bright orange with lots of glass it is opposite of the Siam Commericail Bank and a Music learning school.
As everyone knows there are tons of places, including the Bangkok / Pattaya Hospital with lots of show and advertised discounts but I look for results and these two places have provided it.
Good luck, LBM
I have have gotten rid of my TGF, who lives in Pattaya, by saying, that I won't be coming to LOS this year.
So I don't want to run into her in Pattaya.
I'd appreciate some recommendations od good dentists in BKK.
During my last trip, on Feb. 28, 2010 to be exact, there was a Thai holiday and all the bars and Go Go's were closed. I found one attractive girl hanging out in the Nana parking lot. That was it. I don't recall what the specific occasion was only that it caught me by surprise. This year I would like to be forewarned so I can make alternative plans and not be caught naked and alone with my dick in my hand. Anybody know the dates for Thai holidays this year?
OK, I think I answered my own question, at least as far as Feb 28th, 2010. The holiday was Māgha Pūjā or Makha Bucha. Which is an important religious festival celebrated by Buddhists in Thailand, Cambodia, and Laos on the full moon day of the third lunar month which usually falls in February. The third lunar month is known in the Thai language as Makha (Pali: Māgha); Bucha is also a Thai word (Pali: Pūjā), meaning "to venerate" or "to honor". As such, Makha Bucha Day is for the veneration of Buddha and his teachings on the full moon day of the third lunar month. In any case Cowboy and Nana were completely shut down! So when is full moon of the third lunar month scheduled to occur?
I wanted to try out the airport express train, travelling only with a carryon on rolls. I usually stay in the Livingstone Lodge on Soi 33.
I timed the trip from level 1 of the airport. The express train to Makkasan was going to arrive in 4 minutes, so I took that one (it's on a 30 minutes schedule).
The ride was fast and smooth. Arived in Makkasan (Petchaburi / Asoke) in 15 mins. Payment was on arrival. It was still 100 THB, but is 150 THB by now (promotion ended on 4. 1.).
There is no pedestrian link between the train and the subway station, so I started rolling my carryon. You actually have to cross 2 streets to get to the subway.
I could have taken a taxi from the station, but Asoke looked crammed when the train passed it, plus you still have to cross streets or the taxi faces in the wrong direction.
The whole setup is amazingly screwed, given that there has been ample time for some userfriendly traffic planning.
At the subway, a couple of backpackers who also came from the train had to open their backpacks at the security check. I was waved through, though.
Then there was the switch to the BTS at Suk / Asoke, and the walk from Phrom Phong up Soi 33 to the Lodge.
I arrived after exactly 1 hour. I don't think it ever took me more than 1 hour by taxi. I might try out the other train (only one switch to the Phaya Thai BTS, pedestrian-friendly crossover, but 8 stations on the link and a few on the BTS).
Not worth the hazzle, really.
[QUOTE=Centaurus; 1109541]I.
I timed the trip from level 1 of the airport. The express train to Makkasan was going to arrive in 4 minutes, so I took that one (it's on a 30 minutes schedule).
The ride was fast and smooth. Arived in Makkasan (Petchaburi / Asoke) in 15 mins. Payment was on arrival. It was still 100 THB, but is 150 THB by now (promotion ended on 4. 1.).[/QUOTE]15 minutes? Can't make much sense from the rest of your account.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1109475]During my last trip, on Feb. 28, 2010 to be exact, there was a Thai holiday and all the bars and Go Go's were closed. I found one attractive girl hanging out in the Nana parking lot. That was it. I don't recall what the specific occasion was only that it caught me by surprise. This year I would like to be forewarned so I can make alternative plans and not be caught naked and alone with my dick in my hand. Anybody know the dates for Thai holidays this year?.............[/QUOTE]Just do a Google search with "Holidays in Thailand 2011" You can do this any country. You will get a list.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1109737]Google search with "Holidays in Thailand 2011" You can do this any country. You will get a list.[/QUOTE]Ok. [url]http://sgholiday.com/2010/05/thailand-public-holidays-festivals-2011-calendar/[/url]
Makha Bucha.
Makha Bucha celebrates the Buddha's first sermon to his disciples.
Friday. 18 February 2011
[QUOTE=Centaurus; 1109541]I arrived after exactly 1 hour. I don't think it ever took me more than 1 hour by taxi. I might try out the other train (only one switch to the Phaya Thai BTS, pedestrian-friendly crossover, but 8 stations on the link and a few on the BTS).
Not worth the hazzle, really. [/QUOTE]Welcome back.
And yes, I agree, I do have to travel often and never take the airport link, prefer the comfort of a new Taxi and usually takes me 30mn to the Airport. The price is about 300 including tollway and tip. I for one will still stick to the taxis.
I'd like some info as to how reliable / good is it to have a an laser surgery done in BKK. Also, if anyone has done it in the recent past, if they could post where in BKK the operation was done, if there were any complications and if there were any follow ups needed / required. Aslo, how much is the entire cost?
Thanks gents.
I'm sure this has been asked before, but for this year, (taking a vaca in a few months) which is better, Bangkok, pattya or phuket? My main concerns are prettiest girls, and girls who are willing to do all that I ask, (CIM, COF, Anal. 3way, photos) Price comes in as a definite 3rd concern. Thanks
[QUOTE=Vega Wrap;1111438]I'm sure this has been asked before, but for this year, (taking a vaca in a few months) which is better, Bangkok, pattya or phuket? My main concerns are prettiest girls, and girls who are willing to do all that I ask, (CIM, COF, Anal. 3way, photos) Price comes in as a definite 3rd concern. Thanks[/QUOTE]Among these three destinations:
- Best prices: Pattaya.
- Best beaches: Phuket.
- Best looking girls: Bangkok (in the high-end places mostly)
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1111466]- Best prices: Pattaya.
- Best beaches: Phuket.
- Best looking girls: Bangkok (in the high-end places mostly) [/QUOTE]I agree with Goyave. Pat has the most girls per square block and the most bars per square block of anywhere in the world (that I am aware of). Walking Street is 15 times larger than Soi Cowboy. The beach is polluted.
Bangkok has better restaurants, hotels, shops and cultural attractions. BKK has a more diverse mix of venues including high end soapies, quality oilies and Go Go's.
Phuket is the best beach destination in Thailand with a decent nightlife. Pat is not a beach destination IMHO. There are better beaches but not with better nightlife. There are better nightlife destinations (BKK and Pat) but not with quality beaches.
I don't care in the least about the beach. I have been to BK once, and done the tourist stuff, however I was there on a tour with a steady gf at the time, so I didn't get to experience any of the mongering. MY one and only concern if I go now is the girls. The prettiest, and most accommodating.
Has anybody done both Thailand and say. Columbia. WHats the preference there? Race not an issue, just hotness of women, and their willingness to do the stuff I want.
[QUOTE=Vega Wrap;1111551]I don't care in the least about the beach. I have been to BK once, and done the tourist stuff, however I was there on a tour with a steady gf at the time, so I didn't get to experience any of the mongering. MY one and only concern if I go now is the girls. The prettiest, and most accommodating.
Has anybody done both Thailand and say. Columbia. WHats the preference there? Race not an issue, just hotness of women, and their willingness to do the stuff I want.[/QUOTE]
I haven't gone yet to Colombia (though I know a couple of Colombian girls who were travelling in my country of origin a few years ago, and they were great fun to be with, but not sure whether or not they are representative of the whole feminine population of Colombia).
Anyway, if you don't care about the beach, then, forget Phuket and stick to Pattaya and/or Bangkok. Girls are very accommodating in both places. As the prices are lower in Pattaya, I would recommend you to spend most of your time there, and, for instance, the last two or three days in Bangkok as you probably will have to come back again in the capital city in order to take your return flight.
[QUOTE=Vega Wrap;1111551]Has anybody done both Thailand and say. Columbia. WHats the preference there? Race not an issue, just hotness of women, and their willingness to do the stuff I want.[/QUOTE]Colombians are the most beautifulest on the planet. You may get bored there though. Do you speak Spanish? Pattaya is the bestest on the fun-o-meter and the girls will do more of what you want. You will certainly have a blast there and all the pussy you can handle to go with it. I would choose Thailand any day over Colombia because I'm not going just so I can look at pretty women. Those are everywhere and you can't stick your dick in but one at a time.
[QUOTE=Vega Wrap;1111551]Has anybody done both Thailand and say. Columbia. WHats the preference there? Race not an issue, just hotness of women, and their willingness to do the stuff I want.[/QUOTE]I travelled extensively throughout Mexico and Central & South America in the eighties and nineties. I used to bang San Jose girls for free. I had a beautiful black girlfriend in Cartagena. Costa Rica and Columbia definitely have hot girls. I have also had some pretty good times in Medellin, Bogotį and Cali not to mention Santiago and BA. All those cities have a good nightlife and each offer up very a different selection of Latin ladies. The last time I was in SA was in 2007 in Peru. Lima has great restaurants but I thought the girlie scene was not world class quality. I did not go to Peru to get laid.
My first trip to Asia was in '89. I went back several times in the 90's. And in the new century, I have returned almost every year. So my preference is obvious. All things being equal, I prefer Asian women. I think based on your criterion of hotness referring to sexual performance and willingness to do almost anything however; Latinas top Asian girls. But IMHO Asian girls are better looking overall and nicer to be with. I guess I like their style more. I know I am making a lot of generalizations here. I don't have the time or inclination to write four or five pages of careful analysis. I am also aware that my opinion is purely subjective. Many guys prefer Latinas and they are not wrong. It is good to live in a world where we have both types.
P. S. In Asia, I like Thai girls the best overall, but I have to admit that Chinese girls are super hot; maybe the best looking girls on the planet. Viva Macau.
[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1110203]I'd like some info as to how reliable / good is it to have a an laser surgery done in BKK. Also, if anyone has done it in the recent past, if they could post where in BKK the operation was done, if there were any complications and if there were any follow ups needed / required. Aslo, how much is the entire cost?
Thanks gents. [/QUOTE]Can't answer the question directly, but I'm sure it is very competitively priced.
But this is not a trivial operation. You may be in significant pain for 24 hours, and will require various medications for a month. There is a very clear list of things you should not do for several days afterwards, particularly exertion such as (strenuous!) sex. Moreover I would not touch any medications that alter blood pressure (eg viagra, etc) for several days.
No reason not to do it, but don't try and combine with a bonking holiday is my advice.
Dr Mouse
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1111946]Can't answer the question directly, but I'm sure it is very competitively priced.
But this is not a trivial operation. You may be in significant pain for 24 hours, and will require various medications for a month. There is a very clear list of things you should not do for several days afterwards, particularly exertion such as (strenuous!) sex. Moreover I would not touch any medications that alter blood pressure (eg viagra, etc) for several days.
No reason not to do it, but don't try and combine with a bonking holiday is my advice.
Dr Mouse[/QUOTE]I can vouch for the pain. The first 8 hrs are bad and then you go to sleep taking all the pain killers.
But the results are worth it. I had it done in India 5 years ago and it cost me $600.00 for both eyes. (I had a power of -8 plus astigmatism.) I guess BKK should be in the same range.
Main thing check out the docs before you commit. You only have one set of eyes. (They do both at the same time).
Having said all that, I have been without glasses for last 5-6 years and almost 20/20 vision.
Folks,
I do not see the 1000 posts per page print option. I hadn't tried it in a long while, and when I looked for it just recently, I just couldn't find it. Did it go away because of some type of upgrade? If so, if anyone has any suggestions about how to be able to print more than a dozen or so posts at a time, it would be very helpful and appreciated.
Thanks,
Digits
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1111654]I travelled extensively throughout Mexico and Central & South America in the eighties and nineties. I used to bang San Jose girls for free. I had a beautiful black girlfriend in Cartagena. Costa Rica and Columbia definitely have hot girls. I have also had some pretty good times in Medellin, Bogotį and Cali not to mention Santiago and BA. All those cities have a good nightlife and each offer up very a different selection of Latin ladies. The last time I was in SA was in 2007 in Peru. Lima has great restaurants but I thought the girlie scene was not world class quality. I did not go to Peru to get laid.
My first trip to Asia was in '89. I went back several times in the 90's. And in the new century, I have returned almost every year. So my preference is obvious. All things being equal, I prefer Asian women. I think based on your criterion of hotness referring to sexual performance and willingness to do almost anything however; Latinas top Asian girls. But IMHO Asian girls are better looking overall and nicer to be with. I guess I like their style more. I know I am making a lot of generalizations here. I don't have the time or inclination to write four or five pages of careful analysis. I am also aware that my opinion is purely subjective. Many guys prefer Latinas and they are not wrong. It is good to live in a world where we have both types.
P. S. In Asia, I like Thai girls the best overall, but I have to admit that Chinese girls are super hot; maybe the best looking girls on the planet. Viva Macau. [/QUOTE]Yes, I concur with you. Latina girls are very hot. There were times when I did not have the energy to satisy their sexual appetite. They are very romantic and like uninhibited sex. These girls can wear you out.
I had few Chinese non-working girlfriends and mongered also. Although in sexual energy they are in the same league as Thai or Philippina. Something always held them back for some reason.
Phi girls are more subservient and GFE. Sexually they are up for it whenever you are but timewise they do not last as long as Latinas.
Thai girls are excellent. Very friendly. Thai girlfriends are better than Thai bargirls.
[QUOTE=Digits;1112075]Folks,
I do not see the 1000 posts per page print option. I hadn't tried it in a long while, and when I looked for it just recently, I just couldn't find it. Did it go away because of some type of upgrade? If so, if anyone has any suggestions about how to be able to print more than a dozen or so posts at a time, it would be very helpful and appreciated.
Thanks,
Digits[/QUOTE]
Just under the title of the current thread, look at the right side of the page, and you should notice a menu ("Thread Tools") with several options, one of them is "Show Printable Version". When you click on this option, the first page will be displayed, and then, another option is now available on the top right side of the webpage: "[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/printthread.php?t=2184&pp=1000"]Show 1000 post(s) from this thread on one page[/url]". Click on this link, et voilą!
[QUOTE=Sammon;1112092]Phi girls are more subservient and GFE. Sexually they are up for it whenever you are but timewise they do not last as long as Latinas.[/QUOTE]Sounds good. I have sampled a few Filipinas in Wanchai and Macau (mp3) and one PI girl in Amsterdam red light. They were all nice girls and gave me a pretty good time (even the babe in AMS). That's why I am looking forward to my virgin trip to PI in just a few weeks. I figure nothing I have experienced thus far with Filipinas will compare to what is in store for me in the mother country. Still, I could not go to Asia without spending at least two weeks in Thailand. There is something about Thai girls that I just can't get enough of. So after 3 weeks of whoring in AC, Manila, and Sabang; I'll be heading back to Bangkok again.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1112092]Thai girls are excellent. Very friendly. Thai girlfriends are better than Thai bargirls.[/QUOTE]One trip that has been on my wish list for many years is to spend 6 months or longer in Bangkok (with side trips to various beach destinations). The goal, besides having a real good time, would be to find a pretty, young, straight Thai girl that I dig and make her mine. She could be a department store girl, or secretary, or nurse, or student. What she does is not important as long as she is not a pro or semi pro. I would still hang out in the bars and massage parlors, of course. And I would probably have a few special bargirl / massage girl friends on the side, but I would like to know what it is like to have Thai GF. You are a lucky guy S.
Thanks for the reply Goyave.
Yes, that's what I used to get all the time, but now when I go there, I get this option instead:
"Show 15 post (s) from this thread on one page"
15 instead of 1000!
Not sure why.
Thanks anyway.
Digits.
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1112098]Just under the title of the current thread, look at the right side of the page, and you should notice a menu ("Thread Tools") with several options, one of them is "Show Printable Version". When you click on this option, the first page will be displayed, and then, another option is now available on the top right side of the webpage: "
[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/printthread.php?t=2184&pp=1000"]Show 1000 post(s) from this thread on one page[/url]
". Click on this link, et voilą! [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Digits;1112481]Thanks for the reply Goyave.
Yes, that's what I used to get all the time, but now when I go there, I get this option instead:
"Show 15 post (s) from this thread on one page"
15 instead of 1000!
Not sure why.
Thanks anyway.
Digits.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why you only have 15 instead of 1000 (probably a specific setting on your side), but click and look at the link from my previous post. Actually, the URL is the following: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/printthread.php?t=2184&pp=1000[/url]
In the URL syntax, 21848 is the thread number, and 1000 is the number of posts per page. So, if you click on your "Show 15 post (s) from this thread on one page" link, I guess that you may then replace 15 by 1000 at least at the end of the URL and then, it should display 1000 posts per page.
[QUOTE=Digits;1112481]Thanks for the reply Goyave.
Yes, that's what I used to get all the time, but now when I go there, I get this option instead:
"Show 15 post (s) from this thread on one page"
15 instead of 1000!
Not sure why.
Thanks anyway.
Digits.[/QUOTE]
I have another idea. Check your profile with this link: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/profile.php?do=editoptions[/url]
Check what you have in the "[b]Number of Posts to Show Per Page:[/b]" option. In my profile, I use the forum default setting here, but if it doesn't work for you, there is also another setting that you should try here: "[b]Show 1000 posts per page[/b]". But it would probably apply to the screen too and not only on the printable version then.
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1112508]I have another idea. Check your profile with this link:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/profile.php?do=editoptions[/url]
Check what you have in the "[b]Number of Posts to Show Per Page:[/b]" option. In my profile, I use the forum default setting here, but if it doesn't work for you, there is also another setting that you should try here: "[b]Show 1000 posts per page[/b]". But it would probably apply to the screen too and not only on the printable version then. [/QUOTE]It worked.
Well, you were right; when I switched to the '1000 posts' setting, It started loading 1000 posts on the main screen as well, which was taking a long time. So I switched back to the default setting. This time around the '1000 posts per page' option in the printable screen stayed. Back to normal!
Thanks for your help.
Digits
[QUOTE=Digits; 1112564]It worked.
Well, you were right; when I switched to the '1000 posts' setting, It started loading 1000 posts on the main screen as well, which was taking a long time. So I switched back to the default setting. This time around the '1000 posts per page' option in the printable screen stayed. Back to normal!
Thanks for your help.
Digits[/QUOTE]Glad it worked. It might have been some previous setting that was stored in one of your computer cookies and that is a now corrected. Anyway, thanks for your feedback.
I apologize in advance if I am asking in wrong forum, but I am interested in knowing if anyone is getting airfares in the sub $1, 000 range from the west coast to Bangkok?
[QUOTE=Dobinator1;1112898]I apologize in advance if I am asking in wrong forum, but I am interested in knowing if anyone is getting airfares in the sub $1, 000 range from the west coast to Bangkok?[/QUOTE]
You should find cheap flight tickets (with China Airlines, Eva Air, Korean Air, etc.) for instance with these websites:
[url]http://www.cheaptickets.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.kayak.com/flights[/url]
I also found better offers on a European website for certain dates, so, if you don't mind to pay your flight tickets in Euros, it might be worth it, even after being charged the exchange rate and bank fees: [url]http://www.illicotravel.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Dobinator1;1112898]I apologize in advance if I am asking in wrong forum, but I am interested in knowing if anyone is getting airfares in the sub $1, 000 range from the west coast to Bangkok?[/QUOTE]China air has flights in March for 924$ net. Eva air is 964$ net.
On their respective websites.
[QUOTE=1Ball; 1112932]China air has flights in March for 924$ net. Eva air is 964$ net.
On their respective websites. [/QUOTE]I was just playing around the other day with a friend and we were checking airfares on Eva, maybe it's old age but I have been telling friends for years since I work for a carrier prior to retiring that disregard some of the general belief like weekends and spend some time playing around with dates when searching for airfares. The end result you need to be flexiable like I told him and if you are retired and you can't then you got a hair up your ass and if that is the case " don't waste my time ".
I put in a date for him for example: April 15th, departure SFO / BKK returing date June 5th? Price was $1207 before taxes etc. Then we work backwards some April 6th. May 30th, and the price dropped to $1037. 00 before taxes etc, then again we tried April 4th and the price dropped to $937. 00 before taxes. You got to be reflexiable to save. If not then you're stucked?
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1113066]You got to be reflexiable to save. If not then you're stucked?
LBM[/QUOTE]I've often thought the same thing. But never quite found the right words to express it. Eloquent and articulate.
[QUOTE=1Ball; 1112932]China air has flights in March for 924$ net. Eva air is 964$ net.
On their respective websites. [/QUOTE]Usually I get the best rates through.
[url]www.zuji.com[/url]
If you check "flight saver date search" the rates will show up including taxes.
I'd rather spend a few bucks more and take Cathay over China Airlines.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1113066]You got to be reflexiable to save. If not then you're stucked?
LBM[/QUOTE]Thanks all for the info, and thanks LBM for words to live by.
A quick post to show the difference between the prices one would pay for a cab from the airport to Sukhumvit. First time I came to BKK, at the end of October, went downstairs like a sheep following all the other farangs and touts mainly due to being very tired after a long trip and got screwed big time by a cab driver whose meter ran almost 800B to Soi 23. Must have used a rigged meter for sure. Anyways, was very tired and didn't want to argue over a few bucks. Yesterday, on my 2nd visit to BKK after returning from the Phils to do my 1st visa run, upon arriving in BKK, went to the 4th floor in the departure area and took a cab from there to Soi 3 for 250 (including tip). So keep that in mind guys, when you arrive at the international airport in BKK, after clearing immigration and getting your luggage, go straight to the departure area (4th floor) , ignore all the touts offering taxis and wave one that is dropping people at the airport. You shouldn't pay more than 300 if you're going to sukhumvit.
Wish I had that info when I first came to BKK.
[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1113702]A quick post to show the difference between the prices one would pay for a cab from the airport to Sukhumvit. First time I came to BKK, at the end of October, went downstairs like a sheep following all the other farangs and touts mainly due to being very tired after a long trip and got screwed big time by a cab driver whose meter ran almost 800B to Soi 23. Must have used a rigged meter for sure. Anyways, was very tired and didn't want to argue over a few bucks. Yesterday, on my 2nd visit to BKK after returning from the Phils to do my 1st visa run, upon arriving in BKK, went to the 4th floor in the departure area and took a cab from there to Soi 3 for 250 (including tip). So keep that in mind guys, when you arrive at the international airport in BKK, after clearing immigration and getting your luggage, go straight to the departure area (4th floor) , ignore all the touts offering taxis and wave one that is dropping people at the airport. You shouldn't pay more than 300 if you're going to sukhumvit.
Wish I had that info when I first came to BKK. [/QUOTE]Nice of you to share this but the newsflash about going up to the departure level to get a cab dropping off customers has been share here countless times before and after October.
Is the exchange rate from US $ to thai Baht still 29-1 area for big bills & TC.
Is the canadian $ worth more than the US $ there now?
Looking for best value before I hit the ground there next week
[QUOTE=Member #3200;1113781]Is the exchange rate from US $ to thai Baht still 29-1 area for big bills & TC.[/QUOTE]
At the moment, you get approximately 30 baht for one US dollar at Thai banks.
[url]http://www.bankthailand.info/ExchangeRates.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Member #3200;1113781]Is the canadian $ worth more than the US $ there now?[/QUOTE]
Yes, a little bit more: one Canadian dollar is worth US$ 1.01226, according to [url="http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/"]Oanda[/url].
[QUOTE=1Ball; 1112932]China air has flights in March for 924$ net. Eva air is 964$ net.
On their respective websites. [/QUOTE]To I ball
The cheapest is China air from SFO to BKK stop over in Tapei around $ 920 USD, I got a fare in a travel agent Chinatown in San fran on Cathay pacific for 980 USD stop over in HKG for March but it go up alot after June.
Fast Eddie 48
If you are learning Thai and want a superb talking dictionary on your iphone, I recommend (and have no affiliation with authors whatsoever) :
Talking ThaiEnglishThai Dictionary. By Paiboon Publishing.
[url]http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id411632067?mt=8[/url]
Dictionary is also available for windows! It isn't so cheap $29, but well worth the cost.
I have looked at various other iphone Thai Dictionaries, so believe me, this new arrival is the one, if you are Farang wanting to learn more Thai. You can listen to how the words are pronounced too!
Although I speak Thai, I still have many new words to learn all the time.
Flashcards Deluxe is another good iphone App for learning vocab.
[QUOTE=M P Lurker; 1114068]If you are learning Thai and want a superb talking dictionary on your iphone, I recommend (and have no affiliation with authors whatsoever) :
Talking ThaiEnglishThai Dictionary. By Paiboon Publishing.
[url]http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id411632067?mt=8[/url][/QUOTE]I got this on my iPad through a twitter contest for free. Wow! Well worth the $29 had I needed to pay for it.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1114491]I got this on my iPad through a twitter contest for free. Wow! Well worth the $29 had I needed to pay for it.[/QUOTE]That explains your eloquent ramblings in "paasa Thai!"
Hope someone comes up with an app for "paasa Isaan," and it's many local dialects!
I realize this may not be your typical request in here, but I'd like to know how much would cost a brand new tuk tuk to buy and then to have it shipped to Canada. I'd love to have one to use for recreational purposes during the summer months there. Any ideas guys?
Thanks a bunch in advance!
[QUOTE=Member #3200; 1113781]Is the exchange rate from US $ to thai Baht still 29-1 area for big bills & TC.
Is the canadian $ worth more than the US $ there now?
Looking for best value before I hit the ground there next week[/QUOTE]Go to.
[url]http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/[/url]
Has accurate exchange rate for any currency you can think of against any currency you want.
[QUOTE=Sprite13;1114773]I realize this may not be your typical request in here, but I'd like to know how much would cost a brand new tuk tuk to buy and then to have it shipped to Canada. I'd love to have one to use for recreational purposes during the summer months there. Any ideas guys?
Thanks a bunch in advance![/QUOTE]
About two or three years ago, you could buy a brand new tuk-tuk or more exactly a "[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1074215&viewfull=1#post1074215"]samlor kruang[/url]" (สามล้อเครื่อง) in Udon Thani (Northeastern Thailand) for a little bit more than 50 thousand baht (entry price for the least powerful and least sophisticated models). Most models being for sale in this local shop were in the 53-125K baht price range then.
You might find those websites useful:
[url]http://www.atipongmotor.com/eng/[/url]
[url]http://www.quinl.com/international/Samlor+SME+skylab+5900.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Iron Duke; 1114776]Go to.
[url]http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/[/url]
Has accurate exchange rate for any currency you can think of against any currency you want. [/QUOTE]The practical rates that you physically can get in Thailand in paper are here:
[url]www.superrich1965.com[/url]
Interesting question. I don't know the environmental regs for importing this type of vehicle into Canada but in the USA this type vehicle would be subject to considerable costly modifications to meet EPA standards. Even lawnmowers these days are looked upon as a pollutant and noise issues in a lot of US cities. I looked into doing the same with similar style vehicles in Peru and ran into that issue.
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1114833]About two or three years ago, you could buy a brand new tuk-tuk or more exactly a "
[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1074215&viewfull=1#post1074215"]samlor kruang[/url]
" (&3626; &3634; &3617; &3621; &3657; &3629; &3648; &3588; &3619; &3639; &3656; &3629; &3591. In Udon Thani (Northeastern Thailand) for a little bit more than 50 thousand baht (entry price for the least powerful and least sophisticated models). Most models being for sale in this local shop were in the 53-125K baht price range then.
You might find those websites useful:
[url]http://www.atipongmotor.com/eng/[/url]
[url]http://www.quinl.com/international/Samlor+SME+skylab+5900.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks Goyave for the reply. Those sites are helpful and I'm going to over them. Tomasb, I know that the environment requirements to bring a tuk tuk to Canada would be one of the most challenging aspect to face. Has anyone in here done that before? (that is to bring a tuk tuk to Canada / US for recreational purposes? I'd love to hear about your experiences!
Thanks.
i just want you guys to know i caught chlamydia in bkk, and i always use a condom.
and it's the most painful thing in the world every time you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] it burns like fire and yellow puss seeps out the end of your dick 24/7
so be careful i would not wish it on my worst enemy. i also caught it in my eyes and got conjunctivitis and they went bright red like the devil, and burned.
just be careful guys, i'm lucky it wasn't something more serious.
ruined my entire holiday, and looked great being picked up from the airport looking like a dieseased rat.
[quote=asheron; 1115238]i just want you guys to know i caught chlamydia in bkk, and i always use a condom.
and it's the most painful thing in the world every time you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] it burns like fire and yellow puss seeps out the end of your dick 24/7
so be careful i would not wish it on my worst enemy. i also caught it in my eyes and got conjunctivitis and they went bright red like the devil, and burned.
just be careful guys, i'm lucky it wasn't something more serious.
ruined my entire holiday, and looked great being picked up from the airport looking like a dieseased rat. [/quote]strange, i caught chalmydia years ago from an ex gf in uk and there were no symptoms at all. the only reason i found out was because she told me a while later when she was diagnosed with it. treatment was trivial and went away in a week.
johnthescot.
[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1114773]I realize this may not be your typical request in here, but I'd like to know how much would cost a brand new tuk tuk to buy and then to have it shipped to Canada. I'd love to have one to use for recreational purposes during the summer months there. Any ideas guys?
Thanks a bunch in advance! [/QUOTE]Not worth the time or money! So you get one there! You're the talk of the town and get attention while you are driving it down the street but in the end you are in Canada and not Thailand. If you are loaded you wouldn't be asking the question since money would be no object but I assume money would be a issue. The same reason we don't ship our cars to Thailand we don't ship a car or vehicle out of Thailand. Who is going to fix it and modify it to meet your countries standards? Where are the needed parts coming from to maintain its upkeep?
You be better off buying a used golf cart and having it modified to look like one? The expense is not worth the attention.
LBM.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1115252]Not worth the time or money! So you get one there! You're the talk of the town and get attention while you are driving it down the street but in the end you are in Canada and not Thailand. If you are loaded you wouldn't be asking the question since money would be no object but I assume money would be a issue. The same reason we don't ship our cars to Thailand we don't ship a car or vehicle out of Thailand. Who is going to fix it and modify it to meet your countries standards? Where are the needed parts coming from to maintain its upkeep?
You be better off buying a used golf cart and having it modified to look like one? The expense is not worth the attention.
LBM.
LBM[/QUOTE]It would be easier to start with a used small pickup truck (like a Toyota or Nissan) for which you can get parts easily, then modify this into a baht bus or a mini jeepney and decorate accordingly. Also a lot of these tuktuks start with a motorcyle-sized engine. You might consider what it takes to start with a motorbike and build something around it. I'm sure you could figure something out for less than it would cost you to export from Thailand and ship it home.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1114536]That explains your eloquent ramblings in "paasa Thai!"
Hope someone comes up with an app for "paasa Isaan," and it's many local dialects! [/QUOTE]Paiboon does put out a book on elementary "Phaasaa Isaan". I have it but haven't yet put in the time.
Now have a free iphone / pod / pad application.
[url]http://www.farangfriendly.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1114773]I realize this may not be your typical request in here, but I'd like to know how much would cost a brand new tuk tuk to buy and then to have it shipped to Canada. I'd love to have one to use for recreational purposes during the summer months there. Any ideas guys?
Thanks a bunch in advance! [/QUOTE]
You should look at the companies that make golf carts for use in North America. I am sure that they make vehicles that are compliant with USA and Canadian safety and environmental laws. A new one, depending upon features, power, and size, would cost in the $4K-8K range. Used ones could obviously be found much cheaper, depending upon condition. I'm sure that a serviceable one could be gotten for $2-3K, possibly much less.
Here are the main players:
There is Cushman/EZ-Go. These folks are a subsidiary of Textron, and they make a range of golf carts and commercial small vehicles such as the type that local meter maids use under the Cushman brand. And they make them for use with either gasoline or electrical power. They also manufacture personal vehicles and golf carts under the brand EZ-Go
[url]http://www.cushman.com/commercial/index.html[/url]
[url]http://www.ezgo.com/personal/leisure.html[/url]
Another vendor would be Club Car - who is under the corporate umbrella of Ingersoll-Rand
[url]http://www.clubcar.com/Pages/default.aspx[/url]
Yamaha is in the business as well: [url]http://www.yamahagolfcar.com/[/url]
The fourth, and smallest player in the field is a company named Fairplay:
[url]http://www.fairplaycars.com/plugin/electric/main.html[/url]
In addition to golf-cart manufacturers, some motorcycle manufacturers such as Kawasaki and Honda make 4 wheel utility vehicles that might be what you are looking for as well.
[quote=asheron; 1115238]i just want you guys to know i caught chlamydia in bkk, and i always use a condom.
and it's the most painful thing in the world every time you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] it burns like fire and yellow puss seeps out the end of your dick 24/7
so be careful i would not wish it on my worst enemy. i also caught it in my eyes and got conjunctivitis and they went bright red like the devil, and burned.
just be careful guys, i'm lucky it wasn't something more serious.
ruined my entire holiday, and looked great being picked up from the airport looking like a dieseased rat.[/quote]that sounds more like gonorrhea.
[quote=asheron; 1115238]i just want you guys to know i caught chlamydia in bkk, and i always use a condom.
and it's the most painful thing in the world every time you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] it burns like fire and yellow puss seeps out the end of your dick 24/7
so be careful i would not wish it on my worst enemy. i also caught it in my eyes and got conjunctivitis and they went bright red like the devil, and burned.
just be careful guys, i'm lucky it wasn't something more serious.
ruined my entire holiday, and looked great being picked up from the airport looking like a dieseased rat. [/quote]was this recently asheron? do you have any idea where you may have caught it, bars etc? i am going out there soon and would give them a wide berth if i knew where to avoid! were you just using condoms for intercourse or did you have bbbj or daty etc? i am newbie to thailand and something like that would be the last thing i'd want when i'd be out there!
[quote=asheron; 1115238]i just want you guys to know i caught chlamydia in bkk, and i always use a condom.
and it's the most painful thing in the world every time you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] it burns like fire and yellow puss seeps out the end of your dick 24/7
so be careful i would not wish it on my worst enemy. i also caught it in my eyes and got conjunctivitis and they went bright red like the devil, and burned.
just be careful guys, i'm lucky it wasn't something more serious.
ruined my entire holiday, and looked great being picked up from the airport looking like a dieseased rat. [/quote]wow it doesn't have the usual symptoms of chlamydia but gonorrhea. either way when this happens it can be either (and often both) and can be treated with one dose of each of two medicines and starts to get better in less than 12 hours:
for chlamydia 1000 mg azithromycin in a single dose.
for gonorrhea 400 mg cefixime in a single dose or an injection of ceftriaxone at a doctor.
that's it. how long did you let this go on to ruin your vacation with medicine available everywhere and no doctors on the planet who cannot identify and treat it the same efficacious way?
[quote=asheron; 1115238]i just want you guys to know i caught chlamydia in bkk, and i always use a condom.
and it's the most painful thing in the world every time you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] it burns like fire and yellow puss seeps out the end of your dick 24/7
so be careful i would not wish it on my worst enemy. i also caught it in my eyes and got conjunctivitis and they went bright red like the devil, and burned.
just be careful guys, i'm lucky it wasn't something more serious.
ruined my entire holiday, and looked great being picked up from the airport looking like a dieseased rat. [/quote]you should have just gone to the doctor straightaway; they have meds that can cure that within a few days. i caught it a few years ago. burned like fire when i peed and there was a cloudy discharge. the yellow discharge doesn't sound like chlamydia. best go to the doc to find out exactly what it is.
anyway, i caught chlamydia from a bar near soi cowboy. siamese twins. it's a small bar next to the offshore. her name was ploy and she gave a great bbbj but it unfortunately came with a price. went to the doc for some meds that turned my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] orangish-red but was fine within a few days.
At the risk of reporting information that must be common knowledge to some, my first experience with the Suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link was excellent, and seems an especially good option for single travelers. I wasn't expecting it to merit mention here, but it was harder than I expected to find clear info on it before my trip, a lot of my searches showed outdated info, and I saw NO ONE else actually using it when I arrived. Had the entire express train to myself.
For anyone who hasn't used it already, here's a basic rundown from arrivals at Suvarnabhumi:
1. Take the escalators to the basement of the terminal.
2. Follow the signs along the way, continuing even when you see find yourself completely alone for most of the walk, as I did.
3. You'll come to an information booth where you can ask about schedules and options. I was told about express (non-stop train to Makkasan for 150 Baht, followed by taxi to hotel or connecting MRT to Asoke, etc.) and non-express options (much cheaper, at 15 to 45 baht depending on destination, but more stops so takes longer). My destination was near Asoke, but both express and non-express trains continue past Makkasan to Phaya Thai if you're heading further west into town.
4. No need to purchase a ticket. Pay when you exit.
The express train was waiting empty when I got to the boarding platform and left within a minute of getting on, in spite of or maybe because I was the only passenger on the entire 170-seat train. 15 minutes to station followed by a 10 minute taxi ride to Asoke. Time was more important to me than fare, or I'd have taken the cheaper non-express option.
Worked great for me as a solo traveler, though for travelers in groups there's less benefit I guess.
There's more comprehensive info on other sites like the one I'll post below. But I couldn't find anyone actually recommending using it, so thought I'd put this out there:
[url]http://bangkok.sawadee.com/airport/airport_link.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Typhun; 1121701]At the risk of reporting information that must be common knowledge to some, my first experience with the Suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link was excellent, and seems an especially good option for single travelers. I wasn't expecting it to merit mention here, but it was harder than I expected to find clear info on it before my trip, a lot of my searches showed outdated info, and I saw NO ONE else actually using it when I arrived. Had the entire express train to myself.
For anyone who hasn't used it already, here's a basic rundown from arrivals at Suvarnabhumi:
1. Take the escalators to the basement of the terminal.
2. Follow the signs along the way, continuing even when you see find yourself completely alone for most of the walk, as I did.
3. You'll come to an information booth where you can ask about schedules and options. I was told about express (non-stop train to Makkasan for 150 Baht, followed by taxi to hotel or connecting MRT to Asoke, etc.) and non-express options (much cheaper, at 15 to 45 baht depending on destination, but more stops so takes longer). My destination was near Asoke, but both express and non-express trains continue past Makkasan to Phaya Thai if you're heading further west into town.
4. No need to purchase a ticket. Pay when you exit.
The express train was waiting empty when I got to the boarding platform and left within a minute of getting on, in spite of or maybe because I was the only passenger on the entire 170-seat train. 15 minutes to station followed by a 10 minute taxi ride to Asoke. Time was more important to me than fare, or I'd have taken the cheaper non-express option.
Worked great for me as a solo traveler, though for travelers in groups there's less benefit I guess.
There's more comprehensive info on other sites like the one I'll post below. But I couldn't find anyone actually recommending using it, so thought I'd put this out there:
[url]http://bangkok.sawadee.com/airport/airport_link.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Hi Typhun,
What time of the day did you arrive?
If time was at a premium, a taxi via the arrivals level would have been much faster and only a 150 baht dearer.
No traffic issues getting to Asoke, have done this trip dozens of times.
I always find it good to chat to the driver on arrival, often pick up some good info and extend the contact network. Not all taxi drivers are rip off merchants, some have been very useful over the years.
Tuck
[QUOTE=Typhun;1121701]... Time was more important to me than fare, or I'd have taken the cheaper non-express option...[/QUOTE]I tried the cheaper non-express option at the end of November last year and it cost me then 30 baht to go to Asoke (15 baht from the airport to Makkasan + 15 baht from Makkasan to Asoke using the MRT subway). The whole trip lasted about 35 minutes, but I would not recommend it if you have heavy luggages with you (that was not my case then, so that's why I tried this option) as you have to walk quite a bit at the interchange.
[QUOTE=Friar Tuck; 1121722]Hi Typhun,
What time of the day did you arrive?
If time was at a premium, a taxi via the arrivals level would have been much faster and only a 150 baht dearer.
No traffic issues getting to Asoke, have done this trip dozens of times. [/QUOTE]It was a late evening arrival, about 10 pm or so. This was my first time using the new airport, so I wasn't sure how much improved the traffic situation would be over the old one. I also remember at the old airport that the queue for metered taxis could get pretty long, which is partly what motivated me to give the train a try. Good to hear this is not such an issue anymore at the new airport.
[QUOTE=Typhun;1122073]It was a late evening arrival, about 10 pm or so. This was my first time using the new airport, so I wasn't sure how much improved the traffic situation would be over the old one. I also remember at the old airport that the queue for metered taxis could get pretty long, which is partly what motivated me to give the train a try. Good to hear this is not such an issue anymore at the new airport.[/QUOTE]Typhun,
Meant to say take a taxi from the "departures level" not arrivals.
Tuck
What is the world coming to?
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8316553/Thai-airline-hires-ladyboys-as-flight-attendants.html[/url]
Careful lads-that beautiful flight attendant may not be what she seems.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1122170]What is the world coming to?
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8316553/Thai-airline-hires-ladyboys-as-flight-attendants.html[/url]
Careful lads-that beautiful flight attendant may not be what she seems.
AM[/QUOTE]As ladyboys can be seen in a multitude of jobs, including what I have seen in the last year as receptionist, dental assistant, driver, accountant etc, I am not surprised to see that they are now flight attendants. In fact, I feel a lot more comfortable with them in that role than, as happened to me recently, when I encountered one working in the male underwear section in a department store!
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1122170]What is the world coming to?
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8316553/Thai-airline-hires-ladyboys-as-flight-attendants.html[/url]
Careful lads-that beautiful flight attendant may not be what she seems.
AM[/QUOTE]If In doubt check their undercarriage LOL,
[QUOTE=Simian;1122478]As ladyboys can be seen in a multitude of jobs, including what I have seen in the last year as receptionist, dental assistant, driver, accountant etc, I am not surprised to see that they are now flight attendants. In fact, I feel a lot more comfortable with them in that role than, as happened to me recently, when I encountered one working in the male underwear section in a department store![/QUOTE]Better in that job that disguised in a bar to the horror of some mongers.
This morning at 9am I had to go pick up my Address Verification letter from Immigration in Jomtien Beach. (When I took my forms to be processed yesterday afternoon I had to pay 200 baht for each copy that I wanted.) It took less than 1 minute. I left there and went to the Eastern Verification Center to get my driver's license. I took a friend with me who is an interpreter for the military. She is here from Bangkok to work with the U.S. Marines while they are here.
I followed what I thought were the right directions. After going much farther than the directions specified I decided to stop and ask. My friend however did not want to ask. Nobody at the gas station knew where the driver's license place was. My friend told me to keep going in the same direction. After many more kms I told her to ask the guy who was stopped at the light next to us. She would not. She told me to keep going. She said that every Thai person does not know where everything is. I said yes but you never know who knows what if you don't ask.
Later on we stopped at a light next to a police station. I was about to pull over and ask them when I saw a white guy on a motorbike next to me. Turned out he was from Australia and was on the way to pick up the registration for one of his vehicles. I followed him to the registration bureau. It turned out that was not the place I wanted but at least I know where to go now when I get to that step. He told me the exact directions of where I needed to go. The problem was that when I turned out of Pattaya I made a right, but I should have made a left. I was at least 50km from where I was supposed to be.
I turned around and followed the easy directions that he had given me. Then it started to rain. I made a pit stop at 7-11 and got a snack trying to let the rain pass. It was all clear, until about 5km from 7-11 when it started to pour. I pulled over and we got under a shelter which had benches with a couple of other drivers who had made it before us. I was soaked but my friend who was on the back was pretty dry. We stayed there about an hour. The rain did not appear to be going away so we had to get back on the road with the drizzle. It was about 20 more minutes before I pulled up at the Eastern Verification Center. It was 12:30.
I had to twist my friend's arm to get her to ask the people at the desk what I needed to do. (Why did I bring her along again?) The lady checked my paperwork and told me to come back and get in line at 1pm. I met a guy from California while I was waiting. He had just taken the computer part of the test and told me what to expect. During that time I decided that I might as well get a license for a car as well. (Each license is a separate card.) The guy said I would need an additional set a paperwork. I took my package across the street and had the 5 pages copied for 2 baht each and brought them back. I then had to sign each page because they were copies.
They then directed me upstairs where the testing takes place. My number was called and I joined the rest of the people who were being tested. First we did a color blind test. It was a usual chart but instead of reading a hidden number as we do in the west, the guy pointed to the yellow, green, and red dots in the chart and we had to call out the color. Next there was a peripheral vision test where we had to say what color the light was that was flashed at the corner of our eyes. The choices were red, yellow, or green as an actual traffic light. The last test was for reaction. We had to sit and press the gas pedal while the light was green then quickly switch to the brake within a certain amount of time when the light changed to red. The guy signed off on both sets of my paperwork and directed me to go pay the woman at the front.
I sat down until the lady called me. I had to pay 360 baht for both the 1 year licenses together. (When that expires I have up to 1 year to come back at which time I will be issued a 5 year license.) I sat down again and waited for a lady in another partition to call me in to take my photo. I went back out to general population and about two minutes later she called me back to get my finished cards.
The thing about this process is that I pulled the whole thing off with only the normal tourist visa. I was a little afraid at first because Immigration had put the expiration of March 3, 2010 (the date my visa expires) on my letter. Then of course that was the date on my actual tourist visa, however nobody ever said anything about it. I was, however, prepared to give a love gift of 500 - 1000 baht in case it came up. I told another American resident of Thailand who was there while his English friend did the process as well. He said that I was lucky and while my luck was running hot I should go get a bank account as well. I told him that was exactly what I intended to do. I went back downstairs, showed my friend my cards, and we rode back off into the rain.
I asked the gentlemen who I met at the driver's license office which bank would be the best to open up an account. I had the intentions of going to Kasikorn (green). The English guy had an account at Kasikorn and the American guy had an account at a smaller bank that I can't remember. They told me that if I am concerned with the amount of ATMs then Kasikorn would be the way to go. They also said that Bangkok Bank (blue & orange) was the only one with a location in the USA (New York). So if I wanted to make deposits or whatever in my home country that would be the way to go. When I got back together with my friend she told me that she had Siam Commercial Bank (purple).
I was soaked on the ride back to Pattaya while the rain persisted. I was making a bee line to Central Festival to go to the bank. While riding down Sukhumvit I passed a Siam Commercial Bank. Soon after I saw a Kasikorn so I made a U-turn. I went into the bank dripping wet. My friend told the lady that I wanted to open an account. The lady invited me to sit in a chair at the desk but I declined because I did not want to soil / wet the chair. I just stood by the corner of the desk and made a personal puddle.
Although the lady spoke English all of the forms were in Thai. All I had to do was give the lady my passport, tell her my address, and sign by the x's which she had written on the various forms. I gave her 1000 baht to deposit into the account. She asked me if I wanted an ATM card to which I responded in the affirmative. She said that she would take 350 from the 1000 deposit for the card. She took a generic card out of the cabinet, entered it into the computer, and we went outside to the ATM for me to set my PIN. I asked her when would I receive the card with my name on it and she said that the generic one would suffice. But if I must have one then it would be another 300 baht and it would arrive by mail within 2 weeks.
So we went back into the bank and I gave her 300 baht more. If I had known in the beginning I could have avoided the charge for the generic card. I left the bank with all of my paperwork and made the wet 15 minute drive back to my room.
Where can I get the best currency exchange rate in central Bangkok? For money.
Heard of a place called 'Superrich ' somwer in Chitlom. Any reviews?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Bugzy 69; 1123564]Where can I get the best currency exchange rate in central Bangkok? For money.
Heard of a place called 'Superrich ' somwer in Chitlom. Any reviews?
Thanks[/QUOTE]BTS Chitlom Station. Super Rich kiosk is towards exit #1 heading towards Gaysorn Mall. Currently they offer the best exchange rates.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1122170]What is the world coming to?
Careful lads-that beautiful flight attendant may not be what she seems.
AM[/QUOTE]The industry has always attracted a fair number of gays, so no real surprise here.
Attractive women are my first choice of course (Japanese in business class are best). But when it comes to service I think I'd prefer an attractive 22 yr old LB or even a gay guy over the evil looks I get from harried, overweight. 60+ American women with a bad attitudes that seem to fill out the ranks of Delta / UAL etc.
[QUOTE=60+ American women with a bad attitudes that seem to fill out the ranks of Delta / UAL etc. [/QUOTE]YES! I was going to say you must have flown Continental. The scariest stews I've ever come across were for El Al years ago during the Gulf Wars. They looked and acted like they wrestle bears before breakfast.
[QUOTE=Asian Travels; 1123706]The industry has always attracted a fair number of gays, so no real surprise here.
Attractive women are my first choice of course (Japanese in business class are best). But when it comes to service I think I'd prefer an attractive 22 yr old LB or even a gay guy over the evil looks I get from harried, overweight. 60+ American women with a bad attitudes that seem to fill out the ranks of Delta / UAL etc. [/QUOTE]I made up a theory why the commercial airline industry seems to have quite a few gays in the flight attendant biz.
It is a "serving" job and some of them like that. They are good at "waiter service" tasks.
There is no repeated customers that they might make feel uncomfortable if seeing each day, due to shift rotations. IE people uncomfortable with the kind would avoid a restaurant with them, for instance.
In the airline it is just casual meetings and not 100% certain, so it is bearable for those uncomfortable.
Indeed in the western airline you usually get the better service from them.
[QUOTE=Stevebny;1123751]YES! I was going to say you must have flown Continental. The scariest stews I've ever come across were for El Al years ago during the Gulf Wars. They looked and acted like they wrestle bears before breakfast.[/QUOTE]Northwest has merged with Delta and has kept the Delta name, United has mergered with Continental and within another year you will not see the Continental name any longer.
When it comes to domestic airlines especially the USA it does not come down to a theory as to why they allow Gays to work for airlines. Call it what you want " poliltical correct " but it's the LAW, and age discrimination is against the LAW and airlines or any companies just doesn't want to be sued!
Although we are talking about flight attendants the major reason overseas flights are stocked with old and overweight employees is based on Senority and long haul flights to Asia allows for long laid overs. So you work at 16 plus hour flight and then you laid over in Hong Kong for 5 days or so in attractive countries like Hong Kong, China, Japan, Thailand for cruisine and shopping and still get paid. These rules are outlined by the FAA and other agencies and the old days of young sexy horny flight attendants using the Airlines as a stepping stone are gone particularly in the USA since there are so many LAWS on the books preventing age discrimination. Foreign Airlines don't have many of these rules and LAWS like being overweight, pregnant, and age discrimination that is why they come so young, attractive and sexy, but as for job security there is basically none and majority will not be there longer than 10 years.
I use to think the same when I was young real young going to Asia, young tight ass flight attendant thinking in my mind the things I would like to do to her in bed. Now I just think and nothing happens. But my own theory now is that the old and plain ones need love too? And I suggest if you guys ever get a opportunity like I had once to pick up and do a aging overweight flight attendant. Go for it. I still remember meeting and showing a flight attendant in Hong Kong who had a long laid over for 5 days, married for 35 years to the same guy that pretty much taken her for granted. A cheap local dinner, some drinks, and a few kind words to peak her spirits got me some of the best sex I ever had. Remember, even the old ones need love and sometimes they haven't had it in years that's where you old dick comes in. Even a old somewhat attractive flight attendant from North Carolina doing a 2 day laid over in S.F. found some use for a old LBM. Old can be good sometimes?
And if I need a young Flight Attendant I go to the Airport on Walking Street in Pattaya and pay for it and ask her to leave her uniform on.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1123993]So you work at 16 plus hour flight.
Old can be good sometimes?
LBM[/QUOTE]I have nothing against the older ones who are friendly and continue to bring me beers / wine without being asked.
The young ones are nice eye candy, but at the end of the day it is the attitude and service I am paying for, and I don't really care the sex / age.
It is ironic the oldest staff work the longest shifts in the airline industry, and too often the older attendants on those 16hr flights have had attitudes by the end, especially in economy.
IMHO the younger Asian airline staff (ANA, JAL, Thai, Cathay, Sinagpore) hold up better. Then again they are working for better airlines in general.
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1122542]If In doubt check their undercarriage LOL,[/QUOTE]Failing that, due to post op changes, ignorance is bliss.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
[QUOTE=Asian Travels; 1124117]I have nothing against the older ones who are friendly and continue to bring me beers / wine without being asked.
The young ones are nice eye candy, but at the end of the day it is the attitude and service I am paying for, and I don't really care the sex / age.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right and I apologize to all the older stews I may have insulted. I forget that when the SHTF in flight the older ones are more calm about things. Some of them are quite the hoot just because they've been through so much."Yeah, Honey, that's just the #2 engine falling off. Nothing to worry about."
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1123993]When it comes to domestic airlines especially the USA it does not come down to a theory as to why they allow Gays to work for airlines. Call it what you want " poliltical correct " but it's the LAW, and age discrimination is against the LAW and airlines or any companies just doesn't want to be sued![/QUOTE]Actually Title VII of the USA Civil Rights Act does not protect a person from discrimination based on sexual orientation. It only protects against discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex and national origin. Then other Acts protect people against discrimination based on disability, genetic information, and age. That is why there are so many people against gays in the military now, because it is not against the law to discriminate along those lines. Although it is not illegal to discriminate it makes good business sense not to. The last thing you want is a large demographic group protesting and boycotting your business when you are trying to make money. Their money spends like everybody else's.
There are of course exceptions to rules as such when things like safety are concerned. For instance, it is mandatory that a commercial airline pilot retire by age 65. The limit was 60 before but it was raised a few years ago.
One of my gfs who works at a hotel here in Pattaya said the HR people had a talk with her sometime ago. They said she had to lose weight. The kicker is that she couldn't have been more than 58k dripping wet. Apparently they only buy uniforms up to a certain size. A picture of her from the other day is below.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]And if I need a young Flight Attendant I go to the Airport on Walking Street in Pattaya and pay for it and ask her to leave her uniform on.[/QUOTE]A man who knows how to improvise!
[QUOTE=Asian Travels;1124117]IMHO the younger Asian airline staff (ANA, JAL, Thai, Cathay, Sinagpore) hold up better. Then again they are working for better airlines in general.[/QUOTE]It really has nothing to do with how "good" the airline is as much as it has to do with the rules and culture of a particular airline. I think the Asian carriers have the strictest rules and cultures for their employees. If you look at those carriers the people are all cookie-cutter (meaning they look exactly the same down to the hair clip) and have less leeway of things they are allowed to do and decisions they are allowed to make. They are more so a collective of robots. This effect should ensure you constantly get the same level of service each time you are on one of their flights. I hear the Emirates people are not even allowed to talk to each other between the plane and the hotel. The USA carriers have less rules and have more flexibility for their employees. You are more likely to see a variety of uniforms and hairstyles on the same plane. The employees of this group are more individualistic free-thinkers. So, you never know what to expect from them.
Tomorrow is Thai holiday Makha Bucha. Are the bars and discos are open tonight and tomorrow night? And liquor can be sold?
[QUOTE=Love Sex 22;1124184]Tomorrow is Thai holiday Makha Bucha. Are the bars and discos are open tonight and tomorrow night? And liquor can be sold?[/QUOTE]A waitress in Patong Phuket said that all the bars would be closed on Friday (only for one day).
If it's the same as before, most go-go bars will be closed. A lot of the open air bars will be closed, but some will be open selling soft drinks.
There might a few bars open, but it's going to be low key.
Some convenience stores sold alcohol, some didn't.
Restaurants sold alcohol.
That is why you are Mr. Enternational?
Title 7, has really expanded when it was written " sexual orientation " now it falls under " sex and national orgin " I have been in the industry for 30 years and have worked with ground crew, cargo, ticket agents, catering, pilots, flight attendants and management. But in grievances and negotiations for majority of the groups I can tell you in the early years you could pretty much say anything and people did and there was no such thing as hate crime! Now even as Title 7 is written it is meaningless in todays world. I have seen charges brought up against workers and management for even thinking it. In my representation of workers when all is lost in my argument even if you are white and not gay and I need to save your job I bring the race or sex card as a defense.
Very seldom will it not work people are so scarced of even implying or thinking of it! Majority of the time right or wrong it is settle in favor of the worker. Plus you be surprise working for a airline how many are lesbians and gay even the ground crew personnel with muscles and facial hair macho looking and don't count management out etiher. Only in America!
You like Unions or not but when it comes to Asian airlines majority of them as noted don't have the Law restrictions nor being represented by a Union. They are " AT WILL " employees and just as MR. E, noted cookie cutters, they are trained to do it like this and what they have to do or take the highway! A Great example is ever see the difference of how clean the bathroom are compare to a Airline like United, Northwest (Delta) Very seldom will you see a Flight Attendant get angry or talk back to a passenger even in coach. I give them credit having to spend hours smelling our bad breath and the constant internal gas we let out throughout the cabin. I have only been as far as Business class as a Airline ghost rider and I can tell you it is worse in the more expensive cabin since the seats recline much more which seem to produce more toxic gas from the high rollers. My flight once on Northwest to Bangkok I'm sure if there was a smoke detector it would have went off? Maybe that is why the Flight crew on Northwest are so grumbie all the time?
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1124382]That is why you are Mr. Enternational?
Title 7, .
Cookie cutters, they are trained to do it like this and what they have to do or take the highway! .
LBM[/QUOTE]I would take the cookie cutters of the Asian airlines any day over the American carriers. They are cute, courteous and helping. The grandmas of United, Northwest or Delta are rude, fuddy duddy, unhelpful (mostly).
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1124653]I would take the cookie cutters of the Asian airlines any day over the American carriers. They are cute, courteous and helping. The grandmas of United, Northwest or Delta are rude, fuddy duddy, unhelpful (mostly).[/QUOTE]Right on gents!
Those of us based here on the other side of the big pond have to put up with these "grandmas".
Add air canada (particulary the long haul flight crews). Now we have westjet. At least we have some alternative.
For me, holiday starts once I board a Eva, JAL, Cathay flight. Finally service and there will be cuities who are more.
Than glad to offer service, as opposed the crews on North American based carriers whom have "earned the right / seniority to be there"
Mtg
How dare you say that our fat, old, grouchy, rude and unhelpful attendants, are fat, old, grouchy, rude and unhelpful.
They are the pick of the litter here in the USA. Arn't we the lucky ones?
[QUOTE=MilesToGo; 1124672]Right on gents!
Those of us based here on the other side of the big pond have to put up with these "grandmas".
Add air canada (particulary the long haul flight crews). Now we have westjet. At least we have some alternative.
For me, holiday starts once I board a Eva, JAL, Cathay flight. Finally service and there will be cuities who are more.
Than glad to offer service, as opposed the crews on North American based carriers whom have "earned the right / seniority to be there"
Mtg[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with earning the right or seniority based placing. But surely they could be more pleasant and have a better personality. In the last 6-7years I have always taken Thai to go to BKK or DEL. With a few exceptions when I had to take United. The difference is like night and day. Maybe if the fares were about 25% cheaper I would consider the American carriers. :)
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1125044]Thai to go to BKK or DEL. With a few exceptions when I had to take United. The difference is like night and day. Maybe if the fares were about 25% cheaper I would consider the American carriers. :)[/QUOTE]+1 on that.
Ironically, the newer discount carriers like Jetstar and Tiger are 25% cheaper AND have younger, energetic staff.
Spring Cleaning has very positive advantages sometimes.
I was cleaning my desk and found this enveloppe from 2 years ago. Containing 695 USD.
I remembered the Cheapest Exchange Place: Super Rich@Chidlom BTS Station.
I got Quoted the Following:
600 USD@30. 4.
95 USD@30. 2
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1126362]Spring Cleaning has very positive advantages sometimes.
I was cleaning my desk and found this enveloppe from 2 years ago. Containing 695 USD.
I remembered the Cheapest Exchange Place: Super [email]Rich@Chidlom[/email] BTS Station.
I got Quoted the Following:
600 [email]USD@30.[/email] 4.
95 [email]USD@30.[/email] 2[/QUOTE]Both Superrich companies pay their best rates at the Rachadamri branches. And now both have the rates online.
[url]http://www.superrich1965.com/app/our_rates.aspx[/url]
[url]http://www.superrichthailand.com/editor/rate.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1126720]Both Superrich companies pay their best rates at the Rachadamri branches. And now both have the rates online.
[url]http://www.superrich1965.com/app/our_rates.aspx[/url]
[url]http://www.superrichthailand.com/editor/rate.html[/url][/QUOTE]There's also a stall up from Patpong, located in the same area as a KFC and Subway. Walk from Patpong towards Lumpini on the left side of the street. Their rates might not be as good at Ratchadamri but it should be close and you'll save on the transportation. I've used them quite a bit.
Dear ISGler,
I will be in BKK next week ad I have 3 days to spend. And I am unshure what to do! But maybe some of you can help with a decition, decause you have a lot more expiriance.
I have t options to go for.
1: spend the 3 days at LL, scroll around and spend the vening in the sportsbar and see wht to finde there or around
2: book the new hansar hotel and invote a escort where I heard a lot of good things abote. She is not realy cheep, but I heard that she is a very good choice. (bangkokfantasy)
I was in BKK for 10 times, and I realy enjoied staying at LL because of the people, they are realy grate an I relay like them. On the other hand I also like the "secure and compfortable way". I enyoj a gooh hotel and this one looks good and it is absolutly new.
On the other hand it is also good maybe to change service providers more often.
What would you do.
1: nice people, inexpensiv, varaiety.
2: Sexy chick, cool hotel. 3 days the same.
I know maybe a unusual question but maybe it helps me make the decition asking others.
Thanks,
Will
[QUOTE=Will Smith69; 1128279]Dear ISGler,
I will be in BKK next week ad I have 3 days to spend. And I am unshure what to do! But maybe some of you can help with a decition, decause you have a lot more expiriance.
I have t options to go for.
1: spend the 3 days at LL, scroll around and spend the vening in the sportsbar and see wht to finde there or around
2: book the new hansar hotel and invote a escort where I heard a lot of good things abote. She is not realy cheep, but I heard that she is a very good choice. (bangkokfantasy)
I was in BKK for 10 times, and I realy enjoied staying at LL because of the people, they are realy grate an I relay like them. On the other hand I also like the "secure and compfortable way". I enyoj a gooh hotel and this one looks good and it is absolutly new.
On the other hand it is also good maybe to change service providers more often.
What would you do.
1: nice people, inexpensiv, varaiety.
2: Sexy chick, cool hotel. 3 days the same.
I know maybe a unusual question but maybe it helps me make the decition asking others.
Thanks,
Will[/QUOTE]You have been to BKK 10 Times and you want what? Why people send these types of messages is beyond me.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1128420]You have been to BKK 10 Times and you want what? Why people send these types of messages is beyond me.[/QUOTE]Hi Duniawala,
Thanks very helpfull reply. I apreciate your comment.
Most of the 1400 comment you already wrote are a lot more precice.
Thanks. And sorry for asking this.
Will
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1128420]You have been to BKK 10 Times and you want what? Why people send these types of messages is beyond me.[/QUOTE]He's been 10 times and he still needs help to get laid.
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1128455]He's been 10 times and he still needs help to get laid.[/QUOTE]Hi Jerboa,
Sorry to correct you. I do not neet help on how to get layed (I do know this)!
I would like to know more of you opinions on where and with whom.
I do think this is a big difference. May you know this.
With respect.
Will.
Ps: may you have an opinion on my question. You seem to have a lot of knowledge.
Thai Airways enforce waistline rules on their flight attendants.
BANGKOK. 28 February 2011 (NNT).Director-General of Department of Labor Protection and Welfare of the Ministry of Labor Mrs. Amporn Nitisiri encouraged Thai Airways flight attendants to speak openly with their employer over rules regarding their waistlines.
According to Mrs. Amporn, Thai Airways cabin crews have lodged a complaint against the airlines last week for enforcing waistline restrictions on them. Both male and female hostesses are obligated to maintain their waistline at no more than 35 and 32 inches respectively.
Mrs. Amporn notified Thai Airways of the issue and advised both the executives and employees to discuss with each other, saying it was the best solution to the problem as was the similar case in the past where a female caddy was expelled from her job because she was too old and too large.
Meanwhile, the new regulations on body image have discriminated around 40 employees but Mrs. Amporn said although it was not against the law, executives could have been more sensitive towards their employees whose frame do not meet the requirements. However, she added that the airlines' recent imposition on the body size could also be seen as a move to encourage employees to stay healthy.
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/447127-thai-airways-enforce-waistline-rules-on-their-flight-attendants/[/url]
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1128698]Thai Airways enforce waistline rules on their flight attendants.
BANGKOK. 28 February 2011 (NNT). Director-General of Department of Labor Protection and Welfare of the Ministry of Labor Mrs. Amporn Nitisiri encouraged Thai Airways flight attendants to speak openly with their employer over rules regarding their waistlines.
According to Mrs. Amporn, Thai Airways cabin crews have lodged a complaint against the airlines last week for enforcing waistline restrictions on them. Both male and female hostesses are obligated to maintain their waistline at no more than 35 and 32 inches respectively.
Mrs. Amporn notified Thai Airways of the issue and advised both the executives and employees to discuss with each other, saying it was the best solution to the problem as was the similar case in the past where a female caddy was expelled from her job because she was too old and too large.
Meanwhile, the new regulations on body image have discriminated around 40 employees but Mrs. Amporn said although it was not against the law, executives could have been more sensitive towards their employees whose frame do not meet the requirements. However, she added that the airlines' recent imposition on the body size could also be seen as a move to encourage employees to stay healthy.
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/447127-thai-airways-enforce-waistline-rules-on-their-flight-attendants/[/url][/QUOTE]Funny maybe the Executives have been reading some of the remarks made in the ISG recently and decided to keep us happy by imposing rules? Send them old bags my way!
LBM
[QUOTE]What would you do.
1: nice people, inexpensiv, varaiety.
2: Sexy chick, cool hotel. 3 days the same. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Will Smith69; 1128432]Hi Duniawala, Thanks very helpfull reply. I apreciate your comment.
Most of the 1400 comment you already wrote are a lot more precice. Thanks. And sorry for asking this.
Will[/QUOTE]Mr. Will.
When you wrote the above did you really understand your question. Granted, English is not your first language, but at least understand it from other's perspective.
How you spend your time and money is entirely up to you. My lifestyle, needs and wants are probably way different from others. You can mix and match between your 2 questions.
What is your definition of nice people, variety, inexpensive. These are all subjective. You expensive could be my expensive. My choice of variety can be a short girl, skinny girl, tall girl, fat girl all in a rotation, followed by nuur-nuru massage, then regular Thai massage. Do you understand what I am trying to say?
Did you want a step-by-step guide? I don't think so since you have been to BKK 10 times.
To conclude, tell us precisely what you want. Then perhaps someone can reply to it properly.
Just be yourself, stick within your budget and practice safe sex. Have a great trip
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1128835]Mr. Will.
When you wrote the above did you really understand your question. Granted, English is not your first language, but at least understand it from other's perspective. [/QUOTE]OH NO! Gods don't deign to explain from on high...
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1128698]Thai Airways enforce waistline rules on their flight attendants.
BANGKOK. 28 February 2011 (NNT). Director-General of Department of Labor Protection and Welfare of the Ministry of Labor Mrs. Amporn Nitisiri encouraged Thai Airways flight attendants to speak openly with their employer over rules regarding their waistlines.
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/447127-thai-airways-enforce-waistline-rules-on-their-flight-attendants/[/url][/QUOTE]If I well remember a few months ago Singapore Airlines issued a recommendation to have "young flying crews" by removing from the aircrew those stewardesses above a certain age. This is helped by local labour regulations and by the individual contracts that are not unlimited.
[QUOTE=Will Smith69; 1128515]Hi Jerboa,
Sorry to correct you. I do not neet help on how to get layed (I do know this)!
I would like to know more of you opinions on where and with whom.
[/QUOTE]The best way to know where and with whom is the usual old recipe: RTFF
Took NicFrenchy's excellent advice and called up Mango for a tried and true experience from Bo.
She arrived on the dot at 3pm, and by 3:15 had completed a BBBJCIM in the shower. Don't be scared of the braces, she is very skilled!
She was full of energy (not always so she said) and got me to go two more rounds. She even joked we could squeeze in a 4th with the last 5 minutes left on the clock. I liked her a lot and considered inviting her for an overnight, but as her English is just fair I thought it might get boring after too many hours.
2000 for Mango. 1500 for Bo, and 500 tip which seemed to make her quite happy. Not the cheapest way to get laid in BKK obviously, but I was very satisfied with the 2hrs.
Stopped by Livingstones around midnight and was the only man there. 10 girls made it a bit intimidating, and the the first one to bring me into the bar stayed. Nice girl, but not really my type. Bought a couple drinks at 150 each for her and played a bit of pool.
Considered taking her out, but 700 for the BF, on top of whatever she would want made me think about it too much. And in truth the 3 shots with Bo had left me drained.
This whole bargirl thing is a pain in a way. I need to get better at saying "No" to the girls who approach me right away. Ideally I want a hottie I can communicate with, but it is hard to figure out who fits at a distance, and being obligated to buy a bunch of drinks to discover there is no chemistry is what gets me. No real solution here of course, except to learn Thai.
One question: Why doesn't anyone mention Patpong? Walked through and it seemed the market was busy, but the bars almost empty despite MANY women.
I am hooked to Thai air so was wondering how can fly with them from Toronto to Delhi and Bangkok?
Any suggestions?
[QUOTE=Asian Travels;1129376]Took NicFrenchy's excellent advice and called up Mango for a tried and true experience from Bo.[/quote]Glad you enjoyed her.
[quote]One question: Why doesn't anyone mention Patpong? Walked through and it seemed the market was busy, but the bars almost empty despite MANY women.[/QUOTE]Actually I go there from time to time but I stick to Patpong2 and more specifically SOL (Star of Light) the Best BJ bar in Bangkok
[QUOTE=Margaya; 1129508]I am hooked to Thai air so was wondering how can fly with them from Toronto to Delhi and Bangkok?
Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]Toronto-LAX-BKK-DEL
[QUOTE=Margaya; 1129508]I am hooked to Thai air so was wondering how can fly with them from Toronto to Delhi and Bangkok?
Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]Maybe trying the source [url]http://www.thaiairways.com/[/url]?
[QUOTE=Margaya; 1129508]I am hooked to Thai air so was wondering how can fly with them from Toronto to Delhi and Bangkok?
Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]Maybe trying through the airline source [url]http://www.thaiairways.com/[/url]?
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1129558]Maybe trying through the airline source.
[url]http://www.thaiairways.com/[/url]
? [/QUOTE]Jet airways flies Toronto to Delhi and Delhi to Bangkok.
An excellent airlines.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1114833]About two or three years ago, you could buy a brand new tuk-tuk or more exactly a "
[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1074215&viewfull=1#post1074215"]samlor kruang[/url]
" (&3626; &3634; &3617; &3621; &3657; &3629; &3648; &3588; &3619; &3639; &3656; &3629; &3591. In Udon Thani (Northeastern Thailand) for a little bit more than 50 thousand baht (entry price for the least powerful and least sophisticated models). Most models being for sale in this local shop were in the 53-125K baht price range then.
You might find those websites useful:
[url]http://www.atipongmotor.com/eng/[/url]
[url]http://www.quinl.com/international/Samlor+SME+skylab+5900.html[/url][/QUOTE]While the cost of a taxi-style Bangkok tuk-tuk is fairly reasonable at 150, 000 baht (about US$5, 000) , the cost of a tuk-tuk registration plate pre-moratorium on new registrations is not and at 200, 000 baht pushes the cost of a rebuilt Bangkok taxi tuk-tuk with a reconditioned engine to a sizable 350, 000 baht.
Chett said the majority of Bangkok's taxi tuk-tuks are rented by the drivers for 350 baht a day, with drivers earning about 1, 000 baht per day. By comparison a taxi driver will pay about 700 baht a day to rent the vehicle and earn about 2, 000 baht per shift.
[url]http://thailandeightdaysaweek.********.com/2010/10/thailands-never-die-tuk-tuks-now-global.html[/url]
Thanks everyone for the replies. I did try to book online but did not see Toronto as one of the option so instead chose jet airways between Toronto / Delhi and then Thai from delhi to Sydney. Toronto LAX may be an option but I guess I need to call Thai to see if they can do code share with jet.
Porn Laundry Service.
[url]http://www.weirdasianews.com/2008/11/07/thailands-porn-laundry-service/[/url]
"Cause one should never be forced to sit around bored while waiting for their laundry."
[QUOTE=Margaya;1129893]Thanks everyone for the replies. I did try to book online but did not see Toronto as one of the option so instead chose jet airways between Toronto / Delhi and then Thai from delhi to Sydney. Toronto LAX may be an option but I guess I need to call Thai to see if they can do code share with jet.[/QUOTE]You'd have better luck with Air Canada, SWISS, Lufthansa and Thai since they are all part of the same alliance.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1131916]You'd have better luck with Air Canada, SWISS, Lufthansa and Thai since they are all part of the same alliance.[/QUOTE]And United and Air New Zealand (they do Vancouver)
All part of the same alliance and therefore you can have one ticket under same terms and conditions and can use for some critical leg another airline.
Baggage through check in is also easier.
Using Thai and Swiss from Shangai via Bangkok, Munich, Zurich I could reach Sao Paulo in "one go" and my luggage made it through all the way with me (well, in the plane belly, the luggage)
Is it possible to top up time on a SIM chip bought in Thailand while out of the kingdom?
My time expired since I was last there.
BTW, I was still recieving SMS messages from BKK on the number after returning to Canada. That's why some girls didn't believe I had left the capitol.
[QUOTE=Margaya;1129893]Thanks everyone for the replies. I did try to book online but did not see Toronto as one of the option so instead chose jet airways between Toronto / Delhi and then Thai from delhi to Sydney. Toronto LAX may be an option but I guess I need to call Thai to see if they can do code share with jet.[/QUOTE]Try to buy an around the world ticket, for e. G. Star alliance, it will be cheaper than sector fares.
In around the world you can mix the carriers.
Good Luck
Funny video found on this week's Stickman column:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVQWuwfIx0o&feature=related[/url]
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1132651]Funny video found on this week's Stickman column:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVQWuwfIx0o&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]A pretty stupid attempt at trying to be funny.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1132739]A pretty stupid attempt at trying to be funny.[/QUOTE]Well, as they say in English,"taste is in your mouth." For some, sarcasm is funny. For others, well, sometimes things need explanations. "Vive la difference" as they say in another language.
Since you seem to be the new "voice" of all the Thailand forums these days, maybe you'll like this other one better? Hmmm.
[url]http://vimeo.com/20321232[/url]
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1132747]Since you seem to be the new "voice" of all the Thailand forums these days, maybe you'll like this other one better? Hmmm.
[url]http://vimeo.com/20321232[/url][/QUOTE]
I was just giving my impressions on the vid you posted, if you don't like it, there is always the "ignore" function.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1132753]I was just giving my impressions on the vid you posted, if you don't like it, there is always the "ignore" function.[/QUOTE]Why would I want to do that?
I enjoy your prolific, informative and sardonic posts. You are on an entirely different level than 97% of the mongers on the various community forums. Thank you & chok dee!
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1132806]Why would I want to do that?
I enjoy your prolific, informative and sardonic posts. You are on an entirely different level than 97% of the mongers on the various community forums. Thank you & chok dee! [/QUOTE]Cool,
Good you did not take my post badly, it wasn't intended that way. And for what it's worth. I do enjoy your pics a whole lot. Speaking of which, we have not seen a whole lot from you lately? I kinda miss the leggy ladies.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/226791/man-gets-13-years-for-lese-majeste[/url]
Does anyone have difficulties connecting to working girls mobile phones while they are at CM2. This use to work well until 8 month back. Since then I have used Skype, Google and callmuangthai. Com carriers, with no luck. Occasionally, I connect with them, Ihear them but not visa versa and disconnects after 15 seconds.
Are there areas in Bangkok where the signals are very weak? Is there any other carrier that I should use.
Thanks.
Ok guys, I'm out of latex. And the last time I bought some condoms in Thailand I had a bad experience. So any recommendations on what and where to buy them in BKK? It would be better to buy them online but I don't have time for it.
[QUOTE=Chieftain;1135710]Ok guys, I'm out of latex. And the last time I bought some condoms in Thailand I had a bad experience. So any recommendations on what and where to buy them in BKK? It would be better to buy them online but I don't have time for it.[/QUOTE]The pharmacies. 7-11's, etc carry them. For specifics a search on condoms should turn up many posts.
[QUOTE=Noclew; 1134607]Does anyone have difficulties connecting to working girls mobile phones while they are at CM2. This use to work well until 8 month back. Since then I have used Skype, Google and callmuangthai. Com carriers, with no luck. Occasionally, I connect with them, Ihear them but not visa versa and disconnects after 15 seconds.
Are there areas in Bangkok where the signals are very weak? Is there any other carrier that I should use.
Thanks. [/QUOTE]It has to do with the carrier your gf is using. Some are better than others. I believe 123 is one of the better ones.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1135754]... I believe 123 is one of the better ones.[/QUOTE]Not "123", it's actually "1-2-Call" (by AIS).
Has anyone tried using this site [url]http://thaiprepaidcard.com/[/url] To top off phone cards. Are they reliable. I may try it as the initial cost will only be 3 bucks.
[QUOTE=Noclew; 1134607]Does anyone have difficulties connecting to working girls mobile phones while they are at CM2. This use to work well until 8 month back. Since then I have used Skype, Google and callmuangthai. Com carriers, with no luck. Occasionally, I connect with them, Ihear them but not visa versa and disconnects after 15 seconds.
Are there areas in Bangkok where the signals are very weak? Is there any other carrier that I should use.
Thanks. [/QUOTE]If all else fails try Rebtel. Com.
I am planning to come to Bangkok next month for a week all the flight is book from Hong kong to Bangkok on Cathay pacific on the first 3 week, also many 4 star hotel is book not sure is because of songkhran festival, also the travel agent told me now because Japan disaster many tourist are now opt to come to Thailand instead included the Japanese.
Fast Eddie 48
Cheapest will be via Los Angeles, most likely with another star alliamce acrrier, ask a travel agent, a human knows where to look.
[QUOTE=Margaya; 1129508]I am hooked to Thai air so was wondering how can fly with them from Toronto to Delhi and Bangkok?
Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1136809]Cheapest will be via Los Angeles, most likely with another star alliamce acrrier, ask a travel agent, a human knows where to look.[/QUOTE]I doubt they have anything with Jet airways, but you could do LAX to Delhi on Thai and back the same way.
[QUOTE=Margaya; 1129508]I am hooked to Thai air so was wondering how can fly with them from Toronto to Delhi and Bangkok?
Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]One of my friends is from Toronto. Last time he went to Thailand, he used Finn Air, and on a previous trip, Korean Air. In both cases, he was very satisfied and the flights were reasonably priced.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1136810]I doubt they have anything with Jet airways, but you could do LAX to Delhi on Thai and back the same way.[/QUOTE]Take Air Canada or United for Toronto.LAX. So you keep it all on Star Alliance. Then LAX-BKK-DEL on Thai. Ask Thai if they have an add on fare. If so, it may be cheaper. Anyway keep it all in the same ticket, so you don't have take luggage out at LAX.
Well,
This is not so much an answer to your question, Margaya, but more to show that flying over the poles is shorter (as Helsinki Airport proudly advertises!) :
Toronto Helsinki 6592 kms.
Helsinki Bangkok 7882 kms.
Bangkok Delhi 2919 kms.
Total 17393 kms.
Toronto LA 3513 km.
LA Bangkok 13299 km.
Total 17812km
And then you have to fly to Delhi. Another 2919 kms!
Personally, I would skip Delhi altogether!
Freeler
[QUOTE=Freeler; 1139063]Well,
This is not so much an answer to your question, Margaya, but more to show that flying over the poles is shorter (as Helsinki Airport proudly advertises!) :
Toronto Helsinki 6592 kms.
Helsinki Bangkok 7882 kms.
Bangkok Delhi 2919 kms.
Total 17393 kms.
Toronto LA 3513 km.
LA Bangkok 13299 km.
Total 17812km
And then you have to fly to Delhi. Another 2919 kms!
Personally, I would skip Delhi altogether!
Freeler[/QUOTE]I believe his intent is to go to Delhi (his final destination) via BKK. Margaya is an Indian as far as I can tell.
[QUOTE=Freeler; 1139063]Well,
This is not so much an answer to your question, Margaya, but more to show that flying over the poles is shorter (as Helsinki Airport proudly advertises!) :
Toronto Helsinki 6592 kms.
Helsinki Bangkok 7882 kms.
Bangkok Delhi 2919 kms.
Total 17393 kms.
Toronto LA 3513 km.
LA Bangkok 13299 km.
Total 17812km
And then you have to fly to Delhi. Another 2919 kms!
Personally, I would skip Delhi altogether!
Freeler[/QUOTE]By using the great Circle Mapper on Toronto-Helsinki-Bangkok-Dehli you exactly have this figure.
3 segment path: 17478 km
YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) HEL (60°19'02"N 24°57'48"E) 33° (NE) 6619 km
HEL (60°19'02"N 24°57'48"E) BKK (13°40'52"N 100°44'50"E) 95° (E) 7912 km
BKK (13°40'52"N 100°44'50"E) DEL (28°34'07"N 77°06'44"E) 307° (NW) 2947 km
The problem is that he will not fly much Thai!
The only suggestion to do so is going via Copenhagen that is served by Thai Airways.
TOTAL 17879 km
YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) CPH (55°37'05"N 12°39'21"E) 42° (NE) 6288 km
CPH (55°37'05"N 12°39'21"E) BKK (13°40'52"N 100°44'50"E) 83° (E) 8644 km
BKK (13°40'52"N 100°44'50"E) DEL (28°34'07"N 77°06'44"E) 307° (NW) 2947 km
Anyhow these calculations should be better done with airline timetable as the connection timed and flight frequencies count more than the "shorter" way.
Still has to use another airline to reach Copenhagen. Air canada is of the same TG alliance. So he can get a good price.
He Should try two options of airfares
One YYZ-DEL via CPH and BKK (with stop-over)
One YYZ-BKK and then a BKK-DEL
A remark of my girl firiend whom I want to more made me think: She was talking of a Masage Lady having found a "customer" to "support " her, but he wanted to have sex 5 times a day, so she left and is working again, where she is paid for the five or more sessions. I had now a following discussion with my "girl firend (?)"; she says: I want to havev boom boom when I'm horny" . One could see it this way: You can offer your pussy and eveything to any customer, but when it comes to a more attached realtionship the lady opts out. Often, you have less sex with a second and subsequent LT arragement, than with ST, what you think?
[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1139180]A remark of my girl firiend whom I want to more made me think: She was talking of a Masage Lady having found a "customer" to "support " her, but he wanted to have sex 5 times a day, so she left and is working again, where she is paid for the five or more sessions. I had now a following discussion with my "girl firend (?)"; she says: I want to havev boom boom when I'm horny" . One could see it this way: You can offer your pussy and eveything to any customer, but when it comes to a more attached realtionship the lady opts out. Often, you have less sex with a second and subsequent LT arragement, than with ST, what you think?[/QUOTE]You lost me completely. Seriously
[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1139180]A remark of my girl firiend whom I want to more made me think: She was talking of a Masage Lady having found a "customer" to "support " her, but he wanted to have sex 5 times a day, so she left ...you have less sex with a second and subsequent LT arragement, than with ST, what you think?[/QUOTE]Naw. Nobody wants sex 5 times a day with the same lady for very long. Some very, very hot and very, very professional women that we both know, Nongpagda, could (and did) provide me with 5 adventures a day, for a few days. After a few days, we ate ice cream and watched TV and talked.
You will have less sex with a long time partner, guaranteed.
TTG
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1139304]provide me with 5 adventures a day, for a few days.[/QUOTE]Shit, if I have 5 shots a day for 2 days in a row, then I need a 3 days Break.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1139309]Shit, if I have 5 shots a day for 2 days in a row, then I need a 3 days Break.[/QUOTE]Now, I don't think I could do 5 shots in one day! I did two 2 pop sessions on the same day recently and slept for 10 hours.
But in my youth I was a fairly vigorous man.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy; 1139324]Now, I don't think I could do 5 shots in one day! I did two 2 pop sessions on the same day recently and slept for 10 hours.
But in my youth I was a fairly vigorous man.[/QUOTE]I think you just gave the definition of marriage. Very LT with less and less sex a time hours on.
For those looking for a job in Thailand, or for those not happy with their existing pay check at their current Thai job.
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/455841-thailand-to-hire-300-native-english-speaking-teachers/[/url]
[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1139180]A remark of my girl firiend whom I want to more made me think: She was talking of a Masage Lady having found a "customer" to "support " her, but he wanted to have sex 5 times a day, so she left and is working again, where she is paid for the five or more sessions. I had now a following discussion with my "girl firend (?)"; she says: I want to havev boom boom when I'm horny" . One could see it this way: You can offer your pussy and eveything to any customer, but when it comes to a more attached realtionship the lady opts out. Often, you have less sex with a second and subsequent LT arragement, than with ST, what you think?[/QUOTE]What it comes down to whether she is being sponsor or not, few ladies anywhere married or not will give you five times a day? That is unrealistic in any relationship no matter where you are and who you are since men will get bored after a while having steak or hamburger everyday. The grass is never greener in a marriage or ST / LT if you do the same person all the time.
What I think this Thai lady is saying is she wants to be sponsor but if she got to give it to you and put up with your old dry and smelly ass, can't speak your language 24/7, got to cook and clean for you she rather go back to the shop where she can call her own terms and be around her own kind? Like a marriage or relationship she only wants it when she is horny and that might be once a month if you are lucky? Same same everywhere!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1139369]What I think this Thai lady is saying is she wants to be sponsor but if she got to give it to you and put up with your old dry and smelly ass, can't speak your language 24/7, got to cook and clean for you she rather go back to the shop where she can call her own terms and be around her own kind? Like a marriage or relationship she only wants it when she is horny and that might be once a month if you are lucky? Same same everywhere!
LBM[/QUOTE]Wow, do guys really put up with this shit? And to be with a hooker? Might as well just let her be a prostitute and be a client whenever you want to fuck her. Easier and Cheaper.
[QUOTE=Lucky21;1139330]I think you just gave the definition of marriage. Very LT with less and less sex a time hours on.[/QUOTE]When I got married (about 100 years ago) someone told me that if, for the first 2 years, I put a GB£5. 00 note in a container every time I had sex with my wife and then, after the 2 years was up TOOK A £5. 00 note OUT each time I had sex with her then, when I died, there would still be enough money left to pay for my funeral!
GUYS, I'm not dead YET but I think this is probably TRUE!
Hotman.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1139309]Shit, if I have 5 shots a day for 2 days in a row, then I need a 3 days Break.[/QUOTE]
Well, if I am not mistaken, I am a bit older than you (I will be 44 in a couple of months) but I am still able to shot at least 3 times, but very often 5 times a day (and sometimes even more), several days in a row (at least, when I am not sick or busy on other matters), and when only 3 times, it's usually with more than 3 partners (at least one threesome is on my menu then). I guess that's one of the reasons why (besides not wanting to be taken for a fool by the locals) some people here are more cautious with their money than others in the Land of Smiles: they are paying less per intercourse, but they also might fuck more often...
[QUOTE=Hotman 666;1139417]...when I died, there would still be enough money left to pay for my funeral![/QUOTE]
Unless you use this money to fool around with P4P girls! ;)
[QUOTE=Goyave;1139437]Unless you use this money to fool around with P4P girls! ;)[/QUOTE]Hmmmmmm,
Difficult decision! P4P or P4F (Pay for Funeral)?
Will have to think about that one.
Yup, Decision made!
P4P wins EVERY TIME!
After all, you are dead a LONG LONG TIME!
Enjoy,
Hotman
[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1139445]Hmmmmmm,
Difficult decision! P4P or P4F (Pay for Funeral)?
Will have to think about that one.
Yup, Decision made!
P4P wins EVERY TIME!
After all, you are dead a LONG LONG TIME!
Enjoy,
Hotman[/QUOTE]You can have the best of both worlds?
Don't overpay for P4P and get a less expensive coffin?
[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1139180]A remark of my girl firiend whom I want to more made me think: She was talking of a Masage Lady having found a "customer" to "support " her, but he wanted to have sex 5 times a day, so she left and is working again, where she is paid for the five or more sessions. I had now a following discussion with my "girl firend (?)"; she says: I want to havev boom boom when I'm horny" . One could see it this way: You can offer your pussy and eveything to any customer, but when it comes to a more attached realtionship the lady opts out. Often, you have less sex with a second and subsequent LT arragement, than with ST, what you think?[/QUOTE]"The problem is, you don't treat the one that you lovin with the same respect that you treat the one that you humpin."
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1139309]Shit, if I have 5 shots a day for 2 days in a row, then I need a 3 days Break.[/QUOTE]You gots to get your ass in some serious shape Frenchy!
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1139324]Now, I don't think I could do 5 shots in one day! I did two 2 pop sessions on the same day recently and slept for 10 hours.
But in my youth I was a fairly vigorous man.[/QUOTE]
Et tu Brutus? Damn, y'all gotta put this 43 year old in touch with your lonely ladies...
[QUOTE=Pita123;1139500]You gots to get your ass in some serious shape Frenchy![/QUOTE]Sorry but I am not a fan of fucking just for the sake of fucking. And Doing 4 shots in a row, the 4th shot is painful as very hard to cum and very little "Feeling". I'm not a rabbit.
Give me 1 shot a day and I'm happy. That's 365 fucks a year minimum.
I understand for tourists you need 4 shots a day for 2 weeks caus you're not getting laid outside LOS.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1139517]... Give me 1 shot a day and I'm happy. That's 365 fucks a year minimum.
I understand for tourists you need 4 shots a day for 2 weeks caus you're not getting laid outside LOS. [/QUOTE]555! Some people decide to live in the LOS because once a day (yes, even everyday of the year) is not enough for them (yours truly, for instance), and of course, because P4P is very affordable and (almost) hassle-free, here.
[QUOTE=Pita123; 1139500]Et tu Brutus? Damn, why'all got to put this 43 year old in touch with your lonely ladies.[/QUOTE]The problem is, there many, many, many lovely, lonely ladies! And for record, the two sessions were in two different countries on the same day. I'm old but not feeble!
For idiot scammers.
Scammers are mostly black guys from African countries like Nigeria, Senegal, Ghana, and Kenya. They make profiles with the pictures of white guys and write romantic emails to European and North American women. They win your trust after few months, you fall in love with them and start considering them as your future husband. They give you a phone number which starts with 44 (UK) followed by 70 and then few digits. That connects to Lagos, Nigeria. All women think 44 is the country code for UK so they start trusting the man after talking to him on the phone. Then suddenly the story takes the tragic swing. Your would be husband informs you that he was robbed and assaulted in Nigeria during a business trip. The robbers took his wallet that included all his credit cards, cash, and phone book. He was wounded and brought to hospital. The hospital bill is 350 dollars, he has no money, and he needs your help. He asks for few hundred dollars. You send him the money then he disappears from internet. Real men never write romantic emails the first time. They never want to marry you just by seeing your profile. They never write ass-kissing emails saying you are their everything. Scammers' profiles are new, they don't last long because they either make money from some women or identified by some intelligent women and then cancel their profile. Believe only those people whose profile is one or two years old. Rich and handsome people have no need to write romantic emails to the unknown women from other countries. They already have many pretty women around them. These are the basic tips for identifying a scammer Copy TIPS ON SCAMMERS 1. READ WHAT THEY WRITE. DO THEY SOUND LIKE THE STATE OR COUNTRY WHERE THEY SAY THEY ARE FROM? EXAMPLE WHAT MAN IN THE STATES WRITES,"GOD FEARING," IN AN INTRO EMAIL, OR THEY WANT YOUR CHAT I'd TO "GET TO KNOW OURSELVES MUCH BETTER. ' OUR MEN DO NOT TALK LIKE THAT. 2. IF THEY SEEM TO WANT YOUR CHAT I'd, I WRITE THEM THIS."I am sorry, but due to the inordinate amount of scammers I receive daily, I do not give out my personal I'd. As a gentleman, I know you understand the wisdom in my decision and will communicate with me on tagged." 3. SCAMMERS TEND NOT TO READ YOUR EMAILS, THEY SIMPLY SEND OUT A SERIES OF AUTOMATED RESPONSES TO GET YOU TO GIVE THEM YOUR I'd. THEY CANNOT SCAM YOU IF THEY DO NOT GET YOU OFF TAGGED INTO A CHAT SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN FIND THE WEAK SPOTS IN YOUR HEART AND PLAY INTO THEM. 4. HE IS A SCAMMER WHEN THEY GO VERY DEEP, REAL FAST, AND WANT COMMITMENTS OF DEVOTION FROM YOU, SIGHT UNSEEN. 5. IF I THINK I WANT TO TALK TO SOMEONE, I SUGGEST SKYPE VIDEO TO HIM OR HER. ON SKYPE, THERE IS NO HIDING. EVERYBODY HAS TO BE REAL. IT IS FREE AND SCAMMERS WOULD PREFER NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED. 6. DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THEIR CHARM. THIS IS ALL BUSINESS FOR THEM. THEY CAN BE VERY GOOD AT MAKING US FEEL GOOD. 7. SOMETIMES ONE PERSON WILL WRITE THE PROFILE, (A LOT OF THESE ARE WRITTEN BY WOMEN) AND ANOTHER PERSON WRITES THE EMAILS. THEIR ONLY JOB IS TO GET YOU ON CHAT. THEN THE PROS TAKE OVER. 8. TRUST YOUR GUT INSTINCT, IF HE SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. 9. GET GOOD AT IDENTIFYING THE PATTERNS OF SCAM EMAILS. THERE ARE SEVERAL PATTERNS REWORDED Repeatedly. 10. HONESTLY, WOMEN NEED TO GET OVER NEEDING THEIR EGOS STROKED SO THAT THEY DO NOT FALL FOR BULL LIKE,"THE MINUTE I SAW YOUR PICTURE I KNEW MY SEARCH WAS OVER' AND HOW GORGEOUS YOU ARE THAT THEIR HEARTS STOPPED. YEAH RIGHT. 11. BE CAREFUL MY SISTER, THESE GUYS ARE GOOD. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT GIVING HIM YOUR EMAIL IT IS OK. JUST DO NOT EXCHANGE CONVERSATIONS OR CHATS WITH THEM OR ACCEPT INVITATIONS. FEEL FREE TO SHARE THIS WITH OTHER WOMEN
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1139517]Sorry but I am not a fan of fucking just for the sake of fucking. And Doing 4 shots in a row, the 4th shot is painful as very hard to cum and very little "Feeling". I'm not a rabbit.
Give me 1 shot a day and I'm happy. That's 365 fucks a year minimum.
I understand for tourists you need 4 shots a day for 2 weeks caus you're not getting laid outside LOS. [/QUOTE]Hell! You're a stud, I'm lucky to get in 40 in a year?
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1140220]Hell! You're a stud, I'm lucky to get in 40 in a year?
LBM[/QUOTE]1 shot per day is far from Being a stud. 5 shots a day like some other Mongers is, but that's not me
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1140220]Hell! You're a stud, I'm lucky to get in 40 in a year?
LBM[/QUOTE]Sounds boring. Don't you live in Patts? What do you do with your days / nights?
[QUOTE=Pita123;1140233]Sounds boring. Don't you live in Patts? What do you do with your days / nights?[/QUOTE]He must be married and under close supervision. When I was married (to an unclean Farang) , I used to get only 1 per month (her hormones only overcame her meanness once per month). Obviously its impossible to get less than one a week in LOS unless you have a "ball and chain" (wife) attached or a mongering budget of 3k per month.
Pita,
Where are your decent informatory reports? Can't you get past one liners at all? Shape up man!
O.K. That's not fair, you did exceed one line recently. ;)
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1140243]Pita,
Where are your decent informatory reports? Can't you get past one liners at all? Shape up man!
Okay That's not fair, you did exceed one line recently. . [/QUOTE]You may want to take a look at this:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1013-General-Info&p=1139566#post1139566[/url]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140243]mongering budget of 3k per month.[/quote]Ask Goyave and Opebo, these guys can stretch that budget to about 5 or 6 fucks with young fresh ladies in secret Brothels.
But you got to know where the Thais go, and I guess speak it to a certain level.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1140257]Ask Goyave and Opebo, these guys can stretch that budget to about 5 or 6 fucks with young fresh ladies in secret Brothels.
But you got to know where the Thais go, and I guess speak it to a certain level.[/QUOTE]
Yep! 3K baht, that's about 10 ST sessions on premises in several local brothels, but as I usually give a decent tip (by local standards) or incentive for good or extra service (anal, for instance), that's what I pay for 5 or 6 decent sessions with super cute young ladies.
Note that everybody can also have (at least) 6 ST sessions in Pattaya (for instance) for the same amount, but the providers then are (on average) older and much less attractive.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1140257]Ask Goyave and Opebo, these guys can stretch that budget to about 5 or 6 fucks with young fresh ladies in secret Brothels.
But you got to know where the Thais go, and I guess speak it to a certain level. [/QUOTE]I do speak it to a reasonable level, but that doesn't make me want to go where the lower class Thais go. Too much HIV spread in these places most likely (or at least in my imagination). Thais have a fatalism death wish. They don't believe in precautions. If its their fate to die, they will. I also don't want to find places with severely under-age (or over-age) or sex-slaves, or grubby sheets, etc.
I am okay with higher class soapies. If I wanted cheap, obviously I would go to Cambodia.
[QUOTE=Pita123; 1140246]You may want to take a look at this:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1013-General-Info&p=1139566#post1139566[/url][/QUOTE]Okay, fair enough. I did miss that because I am not looking in the Singapore forum. Not a bad looker, however like you, I don't need big silicones at all. I have met a few very nice naturals lately, ranging from A to Cs. My current Baccara girl is just as pretty to my taste although maybe a bit skinny for some others. I know guys like Nic couldn't get excited with just A cups (nearly B). But I think they are very nice and would not be keen on a silicone enhancement.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140263]Thais have a fatalism death wish. They don't believe in precautions. If its their fate to die, they will.[/QUOTE]That is not entirely true, most "Lower Class" Thais as you call them, lack the education and information about STDs, they still think that Condoms are only to prevent girls from having babies and always assume working girls are on the "Pill".
[quote=syzygies;1140263]i do speak it to a reasonable level, but that doesn't make me want to go where the lower class thais go. too much hiv spread in these places most likely (or at least in my imagination). thais have a fatalism death wish. they don't believe in precautions. if its their fate to die, they will. i also don't want to find places with severely under-age (or over-age) or sex-slaves, or grubby sheets, etc...[/quote]
obviously, you don't know those places very well (and that's an understatement!). ok, most brothels (but not all of them) are filthy, and that's true that many thai males don't believe in precautions, but that's probably the only points that are not contestable in your post.
of course, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] does exist in thailand too, but it's not as widespread as it used (or was alleged) to be before the [url="http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/webtext/46403/65063/e96tha01.htm"]1996 prevention and suppression of prostitution act[/url]. this might amaze many readers, but all the girls that i have met so far in the local brothels are working there voluntarily and they can leave their working place whenever they want. despite the apparently (for us, foreigners) low prices in these establishments, the girls working in a local brothel still earn much more each month than the average monthly wage in the land of smiles.
yes, one might find a few girls that are probably slightly **** there (it happens also in certain go-go bars, for instance, as it is often reported in the local news, and probably in all kinds of p4p venues), but i never saw anyone "severely ****" in any local brothel that i know of. all the girls that i have fucked so far in the local brothels were at least 18-year old. i have checked their passport or id card in several cases (for instance, when i wanted to fuck the girls elsewhere and not on premises, which is often possible).
about hiv prevalence in the local brothels, it's difficult to find reliable information, but in this [url="http://www.thaiscience.info/article%20for%20thaiscience/article/6/ts-6%20access%20to%20hiv%20testing%20for%20sex%20workers%20in%20bangkok,%20thailand%20a%20high%20prevalence%20of%20hiv%20among%20street-based%20sex%20workers.pdf"]study[/url], it is stated that [i]"the hiv prevalences among the street-based sex workers, brothel-based sex workers and other women [...] were 45.8% (38/83), 4.2% (10/236) and 9.9% (28/284)"[/i]. of course, those figures should be taken with a pinch of salt, as only 684 women were tested, and in bangkok only, but it's interesting to notice that hiv prevalence is much lower among the sex workers that are brothel-based.
in most thai commercial sex establishments (including the local brothels), condom use is nowadays usually enforced. read this: [url]http://std.about.com/od/prevention/a/thai100condom.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140267]Okay, fair enough. I did miss that because I am not looking in the Singapore forum. Not a bad looker, however like you, I don't need big silicones at all. I have met a few very nice naturals lately, ranging from A to Cs. My current Baccara girl is just as pretty to my taste although maybe a bit skinny for some others. I know guys like Nic couldn't get excited with just A cups (nearly B). But I think they are very nice and would not be keen on a silicone enhancement.[/QUOTE]I'll take a skinny A / B cup over C+ any day.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140267]I know guys like Nic couldn't get excited with just A cups[/QUOTE]Yes, I like the girl to have at least a bit of tits on her. You know, just to have the impression not to fuck an ironing board.
Nothing like a healthy dose of condescension with that morning coffee to start the day off right, huh...
[QUOTE=Goyave;1140288]Obviously, you don't know those places very well (and that's an understatement!). [/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1140370]Nothing like a healthy dose of condescension with that morning coffee to start the day off right, huh...[/QUOTE]I did not mean to be condescending. I'm just saying it like it is and I'm pretty sure that Syzygies will not contradict me on this fact. Now, I don't know what is the purpose of your own post, but it doesn't seem to be much constructive nor very friendly (and that's another very polite understatement!).
REALLY!?! Is English your first language?
[QUOTE=Goyave;1140376]I did not mean to be condescending. I'm just saying it like it is and I'm pretty sure that Syzygies will not contradict me on this fact. Now, I don't know what is the purpose of your own post, but it doesn't seem to be much constructive nor very friendly (and that's another very polite understatement!).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1140379]REALLY! Is English your first language?[/QUOTE]
No. English is not my first language. Anyway, I am amazed that you can find some condescension in my previous post, while [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1130958&viewfull=1#post1130958"]you did not seem to notice any[/url] in [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1128112&viewfull=1#post1128112"]an earlier post[/url] by another member who spoke quite badly about the quality of the girls (qualifying them as "ugly") that other punters who are not willing to pay as much as him end up with. So, please, give me a break because you are just sounding more and more hypocritical with every new post here.
OK, here's your break...
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1140388]No. English is not my first language. Anyway, I am amazed that you can find some condescension in my previous post, while.
[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1130958&viewfull=1#post1130958"]you did not seem to notice any[/url]
In.
[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1128112&viewfull=1#post1128112"]an earlier post[/url]
By another member who spoke quite badly about the quality of the girls (qualifying them as "ugly") that other punters who are not willing to pay as much as him end up with. So, please, give me a break because you are just sounding more and more hypocritical with every new post here. [/QUOTE]
I'm curious if anyone has dated a pro. The general consensus is this is bad news, and alot of lies or cheating. People getting scammed sponsoring girls etc.
I'm not in a relationship with a pro, and I never sponsored anyone. But I met a girl who I actually like. Her story: only worked for a couple of months, doing it for money after losing a professional job, and only working once a week etc etc. Freelancer apparently. But for all I know, the whole thing is her usual patter and made up. She seemed rather 'cool' about her job considering she's done it 2 months.
After our encounter she suggested to do stuff together outside her work, go on a date etc. I asked her if she prefers I pay or seeing / dating her, and she said it was up to me. And of course, I'm tempted by the latter.
Since I saw her a few days ago, I've been trying to arrange a meetup again. She's been 'very busy' with 'friends'. I asked her if it's because of her work, she said no, that it's some 'friend' visiting from out of town. But to me I can't help think she's just working and to just cut contact. Am I being cynical?
[QUOTE=Borat69; 1140419]I'm curious if anyone has dated a pro. The general consensus is this is bad news, and alot of lies or cheating. People getting scammed sponsoring girls etc.
I'm not in a relationship with a pro, and I never sponsored anyone. But I met a girl who I actually like. Her story: only worked for a couple of months, doing it for money after losing a professional job, and only working once a week etc etc. Freelancer apparently. But for all I know, the whole thing is her usual patter and made up. She seemed rather 'cool' about her job considering she's done it 2 months.
After our encounter she suggested to do stuff together outside her work, go on a date etc. I asked her if she prefers I pay or seeing / dating her, and she said it was up to me. And of course, I'm tempted by the latter.
Since I saw her a few days ago, I've been trying to arrange a meetup again. She's been 'very busy' with 'friends'. I asked her if it's because of her work, she said no, that it's some 'friend' visiting from out of town. But to me I can't help think she's just working and to just cut contact. Am I being cynical? [/QUOTE]My educated guess is that she wants you to be both her client and her boyfriend. That is, take her on dates, have fun, and then give her money at the end. These relationships can be frustrating and even if you pay her she may consider you her "boyfriend" and try to control who else you can see while when she screws other guys it is "just work". I recommend setting ground rules up now as to what kind of relationship you want with her. And remember the credo,"It is always cheaper to pay."
[QUOTE=Borat69;1140419]Since I saw her a few days ago, I've been trying to arrange a meetup again. She's been 'very busy' with 'friends'. I asked her if it's because of her work, she said no, that it's some 'friend' visiting from out of town. But to me I can't help think she's just working and to just cut contact. Am I being cynical?[/QUOTE]Look, I apologize in advance about this post because it won't be very positive.
I meet girls (mostly online) that are sponsored (and supposed to be faithful) and they are always up for a fuck. They might even have a Thai BF on the side too. Look, it could be that the girl really likes you, but nature is nature and the girls get horny so they will still go to the FL Place to pick up guys (not necessarily always for the money).
I would stay away if I were you.
OR, just treat her as a Girlfriend, take her out to movies, restaurants and have sex, no money (as you pay for everything else). See what happens.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1140505]OR, just treat her as a Girlfriend, take her out to movies, restaurants and have sex, no money (as you pay for everything else). See what happens.[/QUOTE]Stop giving them money. Quickest way to get rid of a Thai girl!
[QUOTE=Borat69;1140419]I'm curious if anyone has dated a pro. The general consensus is this is bad news, and alot of lies or cheating. People getting scammed sponsoring girls etc.[/QUOTE]Of course. I have dated several. The experiences vary a lot. In general GFs work out more expensive than just paying for sex. However, in one case I found a girl who was earning plenty of money, and she started by giving me extra time and extra sessions for free. Later she would meet me outside her workplace without paying for the sex, I. E. Just pay for the dinner. She wanted holidays with me too. She was a special case that wanted to be in a warm relationship with good sex, and with a guy who would not put pressure on her or interfere with her work. So she was a bit lonely, even though plenty of guys were after her. Too many guys, keen on her, were jealous types who couldn't cope with her screwing other guys for work, and maybe these guys were not making the grade in other ways too.
She was a girl who didn't usually orgasm from customers, but particularly liked an extended blowjob that most customers were too lazy to give. So she was more like a GIK than a GF, because we worked out that we were not really of compatible personalities to be a true couple, except for on the bed. In the end, she turned out to be too crazy for me and I to be too boring for her. We are still in occassional contact, as she is always a great performer, I miss her blow jobs and she misses my tongue too.
In general, its not going to work out, with rare exceptions. Its much easier and cheaper just to be the girl's regular customer. Then when you finally get bored with each other, its easier to move on to the next one.
P.S. Their are a SMALL percentage of pros that are just as honest as your regular Thai girls. The more honest ones prefer to not answer questions rather than tell direct lies. However, even though Thai girls are unwilling to accept guys that tell lies, they are all generally somewhat unthruthful.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1140521]Stop giving them money. Quickest way to get rid of a Thai girl![/QUOTE]You may be right. Her concept may be a BF with money. I've met thai girls not interested in money, some who would never consider a bar / FL type job. In this specific case, from the start it was a transaction. When I ask her about her job she seems pretty 'head cool' about it, almost strangely so, no tears or sob stories. I suppose she's a freelancer so has alot more control. But still? Last girl I met broke down within 5 minutes of meeting me after 6 days in the job, and she quit the next day for me. I don't see that happening here.
An unemployed FL who claims she works 1 day week that seems literally busy everyday outside of her work? Hmm, something doesn't seem to add up to me. And how would I tell if she's not freelancing everyday? I can't, unless I run into her at her work. Part of me wants to preserve some optimism that she genuinely only works 1 day a week, everything she told me is true.
Strangely since our encounter 3 days ago she's been pretty unavailable. This could all just be part of her game plan. Perhaps she knew exactly what she was doing and I'm just getting played right into it. Her story could be rehearsed too: 'affection' is just good service, even some personal things she 'forgot' in my apartment.
She claims she's only worked 2 months after losing her job, works 1 day a week and earns 20k a month and is already looking for a new job. Apparently. Those seem like pretty low end figure estimates to me. At this price I could just sponsor her out of her financial situ so she gets off the streets. This has certainly crossed my mind in exchange to see me exclusively a couple times a week (and maybe getting tested and going BBBFS, even though I know that's probably extremely retarded to do with a thai girl with a past history of this occupation). The problem? She could see it simply as 'extra income' and continue to work on the side. And I'd feel like a complete loser to do it.
Here's what I'm thinking: stop contacting her for 2-3 days, and wait for her to contact me. I've initiated almost every day since we met. Plenty of girls here to go through, and might as well get as much variety for my 2k. Then in a few days ask her to do something. If she comes up with another excuse just pay her and be done with it. Perhaps you guys got better tests. Ideally I don't pay her anymore, but I know that may be unrealistic unless she wins the thai lottery.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1140564]Of course. I have dated several. The experiences vary a lot. In general GFs work out more expensive than just paying for sex. However, in one case I found a girl who was earning plenty of money, and she started by giving me extra time and extra sessions for free. Later she would meet me outside her workplace without paying for the sex, I. E. Just pay for the dinner. She wanted holidays with me too. She was a special case that wanted to be in a warm relationship with good sex, and with a guy who would not put pressure on her or interfere with her work. So she was a bit lonely, even though plenty of guys were after her. Too many guys, keen on her, were jealous types who couldn't cope with her screwing other guys for work, and maybe these guys were not making the grade in other ways too.
She was a girl who didn't usually orgasm from customers, but particularly liked an extended blowjob that most customers were too lazy to give. So she was more like a GIK than a GF, because we worked out that we were not really of compatible personalities to be a true couple, except for on the bed. In the end, she turned out to be too crazy for me and I to be too boring for her. We are still in occassional contact, as she is always a great performer, I miss her blow jobs and she misses my tongue too.
In general, its not going to work out, with rare exceptions. Its much easier and cheaper just to be the girl's regular customer. Then when you finally get bored with each other, its easier to move on to the next one.
P. S. Their are a SMALL percentage of pros that are just as honest as your regular Thai girls. The more honest ones prefer to not answer questions rather than tell direct lies. However, even though Thai girls are unwilling to accept guys that tell lies, they are all generally somewhat unthruthful. [/QUOTE]Hey thanks, yeah I dated a pro outside Thailand for a couple of months. She paid for everything. I had another pro who was paying for everything on a few 'dates' after she quit for me, and was spending sponsor's money on me. It was kind of messed up though, I find there's usually a couple of things seriously wrong in their heads after a while and it actually messes me up a bit. So I should really be learning from my mistakes, but alas.
I agree there's a double standard with most thai girls. So did I read that correctly? She likes an extended blowjob that customers were too lazy to give? Sounds pretty kinky.
Anyway I think should just text her and just say I want to see you can you come tonight 2k ST. If she says yes, then I know it was transactional from the start, no point waiting for her to contact me
[QUOTE=Borat69;1140419]Since I saw her a few days ago, I've been trying to arrange a meetup again. She's been 'very busy' with 'friends'. I asked her if it's because of her work, she said no, that it's some 'friend' visiting from out of town. But to me I can't help think she's just working and to just cut contact. Am I being cynical?[/QUOTE]You are not being cynical. You are being realistic. That is where having game comes in handy. You need to pull her card. You should have told her that you wanted to meet her friend; actually insisted upon it.
One of my pros called me the other morning about 8am wanting to come over. She said 5 minutes but was here in less than that. I went downstairs to get her and as soon as we got back to my room her phone sounded. I told her to answer it. She refused and that is when I went into pimp mode. I called her a liar and told her to get out of my room. I told her that she was not welcomed in my presence if she was not always 100% honest with me. She finally admitted that it was an Arab guy who she had given her number to the night before.
I told her that she needed to be with him if she wanted to get paid because I was not about to give her money (after all, I didn't ask her to come over; she asked me if she could come.) She said that she didn't even like Arab guys. I explained to her that all money has the king's face on it no matter who gives it to her and that she needed to get the money no matter who wants to give it to her. I told her that she needed to call him and tell him she was on her way. She said that she had already told him she wasn't coming. I said well you can always change. I then grabbed her purse and emptied it out on my bed. I took her phone and sent a text to him saying that she could go see him now. I thought it went through but she told me there was no credit on her phone. I told her that I would send it from my phone then.
She insisted on being with me. She folded my laundry and we got into bed because neither of us had been to sleep. She started playing with my dick and I reminded her that we could fuck if she wanted to but I was not going to give her money. We had one of the greatest sessions. We fell asleep and woke up at 3:30pm. I was leaving to go run errands and told her that I would drop her off at her room, but she insisted on taking a motorcycle taxi on her own.
Interesting approach. Not sure if calling her out or confronting her at this stage would be appropriate. She didn't volunteer to come here and I met her that one time with no actual decision on what we are doing.
So I just texted her now and offered her 2k to come see me today. Will see what she says. I figured if she was genuinely busy she will then say no, but if she's working anyway and wants $, then I'll know.
Of course I could also seriously have offended her now by offering $ and screwed any chances of anything happening.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1140574]You are not being cynical. You are being realistic. That is where having game comes in handy. You need to pull her card. You should have told her that you wanted to meet her friend; actually insisted upon it.
One of my pros called me the other morning about 8am wanting to come over. She said 5 minutes but was here in less than that. I went downstairs to get her and as soon as we got back to my room her phone sounded. I told her to answer it. She refused and that is when I went into pimp mode. I called her a liar and told her to get out of my room. I told her that she was not welcomed in my presence if she was not always 100% honest with me. She finally admitted that it was an Arab guy who she had given her number to the night before.
I told her that she needed to be with him if she wanted to get paid because I was not about to give her money (after all, I didn't ask her to come over; she asked me if she could come.) She said that she didn't even like Arab guys. I explained to her that all money has the king's face on it no matter who gives it to her and that she needed to get the money no matter who wants to give it to her. I told her that she needed to call him and tell him she was on her way. She said that she had already told him she wasn't coming. I said well you can always change. I then grabbed her purse and emptied it out on my bed. I took her phone and sent a text to him saying that she could go see him now. I thought it went through but she told me there was no credit on her phone. I told her that I would send it from my phone then.
She insisted on being with me. She folded my laundry and we got into bed because neither of us had been to sleep. She started playing with my dick and I reminded her that we could fuck if she wanted to but I was not going to give her money. We had one of the greatest sessions. We fell asleep and woke up at 3:30pm. I was leaving to go run errands and told her that I would drop her off at her room, but she insisted on taking a motorcycle taxi on her own. [/QUOTE]
no response so far. so i suspect she's either genuinely busy, incredibly offended, or someone has gave her more than 2k.
anyway back on topic:
what are your favorite spots for decent looking fls in bkk at night? i just got here and i don't see that many hot girls in nana and soi cowboy. the nana quality seems to have gone downhill for fls since i was last year 2 years ago. soi cowboy has less ladyboys but most girls i saw were pretty average. i'm out in the siam / rachatewi area, is there anything here? saw a couple of good looking girls at the bars around coco walk, but i don't think they are working in that capacity. but maybe i should just ask.
what about patpong 1+2, are there better looking girls? i have never been. any good clubs at night that are packed with decent looking freelancers like tiger / hollywood in phuket? also haven't been to sol / [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] but heard the girls aren't that good looking but may be good place to get off for cheap as much as the idea of place where girls do nothing but suck cock all day does put me off a little.
Just wanted to say, great posts Borat, Mr E, Nic Frenchy.
That is the right way to deal with girls, all types of girls. I have dated semipro Latinas and would not have a problem doing the same with Thai if I could just speak a little (I have full Spanish, that immensely helped). It's great fun for a while but then too much drama and instability made me quit after a while. However I still remember them all with great love and I'm still in touch with some. One incredible Brazilian is about to graduate as MD!
Keep the stories coming, thanks!
[quote=borat69;1140593]what about patpong 1+2, are there better looking girls? i have never been. any good clubs at night that are packed with decent looking freelancers like tiger / hollywood in phuket? also haven't been to sol / [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] but heard the girls aren't that good looking but may be good place to get off for cheap as much as the idea of place where girls do nothing but suck cock all day does put me off a little.[/quote]in patpong 1, twilo can be good sometimes for fls late night (after 1 am).
sol is normally not that busy so the chances of a girl with her craw full are slim.
Sometime on this board we have great reports on the psychology of Thai women, be them SW or not. Often these are quite young (sub-30 let's say) , I have to say that by now I kind of know what I'm doing, what they really they want, including the fact they don't want me at all times.
But as I grow older I'm getting more intrigued with matures, I'm talking the hot ones even well in their forties. Often I find them much more attractive especially when well dressed and produced. Altough I have to say that so far sex has been better with the young ones I have a feeling that for some kind of long term relationship, an older one may work better. By the way I'm 47 looking a bit younger (hopefully). You think that an older Thai woman psychology is much different from a younger one? Logic would say so but what's your experience? If we go for older non-pro shouldn't we expect a much higher success rate?
Discuss...
[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1140662]Logic would say so but what's your experience? If we go for older non-pro shouldn't we expect a much higher success rate?
Discuss. [/QUOTE]Well, it depends how you look at it. If you look at it the Thai (asian?) way, then a 25 years old girl is already Old, or "Expired" as my Thai male staff would say.
So the "Older" girls 26 27 up have no other choice than to turn to Farangs or find a not good looking Thai guy to marry and the Thai guy will go to the massage parlor on a regular basis.
So technically, yes, the success rate will be higher and in reality (from my experience) many older Thai ladies were burned by Thai guys and are looking for Farangs so we have a good chance.
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1140412]OK, here's your break...[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
[b]@Syzygies:[/b] I tried to send you a private message earlier today, but it seems that it is not possible at the moment (an error message informed me that you decided to not receive private messages). I wanted to be sure that you have not been offended by my previous post. It was not meant to be condescending, I can assure you. I would like to apologize if you have had this impression too. I had a look at your post history and while I don't always agree with what you say, I can see that you are a polite and decent guy who contributes a lot here with good quality reports. That's why it matters to me to not offend a member like you, and again, I hope that you will accept my sincere apologies if it had been the case with this earlier post.
[QUOTE=Goyave;1140261]Yep! 3K baht, that's about 10 ST sessions on premises in several local brothels, but as I usually give a decent tip (by local standards) or incentive for good or extra service (anal, for instance), that's what I pay for 5 or 6 decent sessions with super cute young ladies.[/QUOTE]Do we have reports on such places? I would like to check out some real local venues.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1140782]Do we have reports on such places? I would like to check out some real local venues.[/QUOTE]Sure! Have a look at the [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2859-Isaan-Region-(including-Udon-Thani-KK-Khorat)"]Isaan Region thread[/url], for instance.
Oh. I thought you were talking about BKK venues.
I might do a trip to Isaan one day, not this time though.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1140574]You need to pull her card.
One of my pros called me the other morning. I went into pimp mode. I called her a liar and told her to get out of my room. I told her that she was not welcomed in my presence if she was not always 100% honest with me.
I told her. I explained to her. I told her. I took her phone. I told her.[/QUOTE]A pro. A prostitute. Hooker. Accept the poor girl for what she is. No need to get off a beatdown. When her lips are moving, you ought to know what to assume.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1140790]Oh. I thought you were talking about BKK venues.
I might do a trip to Isaan one day, not this time though.[/QUOTE]
Several venues that are mainly patronized by the locals are also mentioned in the Bangkok Reports thread, but it's not the same kind of venues. The cheapest option in Bangkok is probably Chinatown (cheap hookers), but you might want to visit the Saphan Kwai area too (Thai-style go-go bars).
About Chinatown (for instance):
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=999647#post999647[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=999648#post999648[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=999649#post999649[/url]
About Saphan Kwai (for instance):
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=883053#post883053[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=903969#post903969[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=904081#post904081[/url]
Thanks for all the linking Goyave, much appreciated!
[QUOTE=Borat69;1140573]Anyway I think should just text her and just say I want to see you can you come tonight 2k ST. If she says yes, then I know it was transactional from the start, no point waiting for her to contact me[/QUOTE]Bloody overpayer! LOL.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1140574]One of my pros called me the other morning about 8am wanting to come over. She said 5 minutes but was here in less than that. I went downstairs to get her and as soon as we got back to my room her phone sounded. I told her to answer it. She refused and that is when I went into pimp mode. I called her a liar and told her to get out of my room. I told her that she was not welcomed in my presence if she was not always 100% honest with me. She finally admitted that it was an Arab guy who she had given her number to the night before.[/QUOTE]Good post MrE, that's spot on, thai girls don't respect weak guys, she wanted to come over to you, and you gave her the options.
[QUOTE=Goyave;1140797]you might want to visit the Saphan Kwai area too (Thai-style go-go bars).[/QUOTE]I would advise against going there alone, it is very easy in the thai Style Bars to make a "Bad move" and face furious Thai guys so better to there with either a Thai or an Expat (speaking thai is a Big Plus).
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1140868]I would advise against going there alone, it is very easy in the thai Style Bars to make a "Bad move" and face furious Thai guys so better to there with either a Thai or an Expat (speaking thai is a Big Plus).[/QUOTE]
It's true that the Thai-oriented P4P places are not for everyone. You should at least speak some basic Thai and know how to behave among the locals in establishments that are not tourist-oriented. By the way, that's basically what is said in [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=883053#post883053"]Rocksoff's report[/url] that one would find (and hopefully read too!) by clicking on the first link that was mentioned about Saphan Kwai in my previous post.
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1140288]Obviously, you don't know those places very well (and that's an understatement!). Ok, most brothels (but not all of them) are filthy, and that's true that many Thai males don't believe in precautions, but that's probably the only points that are not contestable in your post.
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About HIV prevalence in the local brothels, it's difficult to find reliable information, but in this.
[url="http://www.thaiscience.info/Article%20for%20ThaiScience/Article/6/Ts-6%20access%20to%20hiv%20testing%20for%20sex%20workers%20in%20bangkok,%20thailand%20a%20high%20prevalence%20of%20hiv%20among%20street-based%20sex%20workers.pdf"]study[/url]
, it is stated that [i]"the HIV prevalences among the street-based sex workers, brothel-based sex workers and other women [. ] were 45. 8% (38/83) .4. 2% (10/236) and 9. 9% (28/284)"[/i]. Of course, those figures should be taken with a pinch of salt, as only 684 women were tested, and in Bangkok only, but it's interesting to notice that HIV prevalence is much lower among the sex workers that are brothel-based. [/QUOTE]Goyave,
Thanks for this info. Indeed I do not know these places well. No offense taken at all. We all have to cop some disagreement and criticism at times, especially when I (and others) put out feelings that are not strictly based on fact. Mostly your reply is not violently disagreeing. Its good to learn something from your experience in this area. I do mostly Soapies / Oilies and some bargirls. My time and opportunities are a bit limited. I can speak Thai, so do go to some very Thai oriented Soapies at times.
The figures you publish are interesting and of course I take them with a grain of salt. I struggle to accept that 45% of street walkers are HIV positive, while I accept that they will higher due to lack of health checks. The other problem is that HIV girls are presumably mostly forced out of brothels / MPs. Fortunately I don't normally pick up girls in the street. The problem with the brothel based figures are that I presume they are lumping all types in together, including higher class soapies, etc.
Lastly, I don't have PM on purpose. I don't want to field silly questions directed specifically at me, assuming I am the expert. If a guy has a sensible question, he should ask the whole forum. Then the person who wants to answer, can do so. I also wish to remain anonymous and not meet up with others on the forum (in general). I don't really need a "wingman" to do my mongering. So I prefer everything useful to be out in the normal forum.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140902]Lastly, I don't have PM on purpose. I don't want to field silly questions directed specifically at me, assuming I am the expert. If a guy has a sensible question, he should ask the whole forum. Then the person who wants to answer, can do so. I also wish to remain anonymous and not meet up with others on the forum (in general). I don't really need a "wingman" to do my mongering. So I prefer everything useful to be out in the normal forum.[/QUOTE]See, that's the point of PM. To avoid posting on the open Forum, stuff no one gives a shit about.
[QUOTE=Golfinho;1140793]A pro. A prostitute. Hooker. Accept the poor girl for what she is. No need to get off a beatdown. When her lips are moving, you ought to know what to assume.[/QUOTE]What's the point of stating worn cliches. Not all pro are liars and not all liars are pro. If one establishes some kind of relationship one the basis of being truthful, it is right to react if the pact is broken. I got bashed when my girls found that I lied or fucked around too much. That is right and I deserved it. Mr E. got a freebie for teaching the girl a lesson so more power to him.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140902]... No offense taken at all....[/QUOTE]
I'm glad that you have not been offended.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1140902]... I struggle to accept that 45% of street walkers are HIV positive, while I accept that they will higher due to lack of health checks. The other problem is that HIV girls are presumably mostly forced out of brothels / MPs. Fortunately I don't normally pick up girls in the street. The problem with the brothel based figures are that I presume they are lumping all types in together, including higher class soapies, etc. ...[/QUOTE]
Yes, as I wrote in my earlier post, it's difficult to find reliable data on this matter. Of course the percentages mentioned in this study concern only a relatively small number of women that were tested in Bangkok a few years ago. They are certainly not absolute truths, but it gives (roughly) a general idea about the situation regarding HIV prevalences in various kinds of venues.
About the street walkers, I suppose that those that were mentioned in this study were exclusively working on the streets, which is not the case for the occasional freelancers nor for certain bar and go-go girls that one can sometimes find also there. By the way, many "real" street walkers don't work in the tourist-oriented P4P areas, but in other parts of the town that are less known by the foreigners. Therefore, we probably have a biased view of the phenomenon.
Two articles that are not totally unrelated:
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footsteps[/url]
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/investigation/27077/confessions-of-an-hiv-positive-prostitute[/url]
And yes, it's not clearly said which establishments are considered as "brothels" in this study. Maybe it also includes high-end massage parlors, but I don't think that there is a big difference regarding HIV prevalence between these establishments and the cheap brothels. Customers who really want to indulge in bareback sex would be able to do that also in the high-end places (they will just offer more money for the privilege). You might have noticed that it's not difficult, for those who want to pay a premium, to find for instance an escort girl who would oblige. In the high-end places, the average customer has much more money than most guys who patronized the local cheap brothels, and therefore, much more power to get what they want from the providers.
In the other website mentioned earlier (about Thailand's 100% Condom Program), it is stated that [i]"the percentage of commercial sex acts where condoms were used increased from 15% to over 90%"[/i]. But also that [i]"since the program was primarily aimed at commercial sex establishments, condom use never became part of the public discussion. The result of that is that today, most new HIV cases are seen in married women"[/i].
I know several Thai men who actually use condoms when they "visit" the local cheap brothels. I also know many foreigners who don't (most of the time), and that's the case for most of my Farang friends here (who are much older than me). And those guys patronize all kinds of venues...
[QUOTE=Borat69; 1140419]I'm curious if anyone has dated a pro. The general consensus is this is bad news, and alot of lies or cheating. People getting scammed sponsoring girls etc.
I'm not in a relationship with a pro, and I never sponsored anyone. But I met a girl who I actually like. Her story: only worked for a couple of months, doing it for money after losing a professional job, and only working once a week etc etc. Freelancer apparently. But for all I know, the whole thing is her usual patter and made up. She seemed rather 'cool' about her job considering she's done it 2 months.
After our encounter she suggested to do stuff together outside her work, go on a date etc. I asked her if she prefers I pay or seeing / dating her, and she said it was up to me. And of course, I'm tempted by the latter.
Since I saw her a few days ago, I've been trying to arrange a meetup again. She's been 'very busy' with 'friends'. I asked her if it's because of her work, she said no, that it's some 'friend' visiting from out of town. But to me I can't help think she's just working and to just cut contact. Am I being cynical? [/QUOTE]I've been there. It's not that cool. If you want a girlfriend, get a non-pro. There's plenty of them who will be happy to meet you.
[QUOTE=Goyave;1141142]You might have noticed that it's not difficult, for those who want to pay a premium, to find for instance an escort girl who would oblige. In the high-end places, the average customer has much more money than most guys who patronized the local cheap brothels, and therefore, much more power to get what they want from the providers.[/QUOTE]Ah no, I don't really notice because I take my own condoms (Comfort or similar) so its plain to girls I am not looking for bareback FS. Also I have known plenty of girls who say that they don't do bareback FS at all regardless of price (but I realise we can't believe them all). Some girls do consider BBFS to be risking their life. Others are fatalistic and do lots of stupid things.
I do believe a high percentage of HIV+ Thai women have caught it from their normal partner (husband, boyfriend, GIK, etc.). Unfortunately, women catch it from men much more easily/quickly (statistically) than the reverse.
Your Bangkok Post quoted article is interesting in that it shows that the freelance scene is probably spreading HIV rapidly. I certainly wouldn't risk not using a condom and rarely take any freelancers. Of course young girls coming to Bangkok are not well educated. They don't seem to realise that with BBFS its only a matter of time before they will be HIV+. They are not trained in statistics, probabilities, etc. When I question working girls to test their knowledge of sexual things, I find most of them have poor knowledge. The Thai education system still covers these topics poorly due to social taboos. Girls don't even understand all the things they could do to avoid pregnancy. Girls are mostly told by parents "don't have sex till you get married". Now how much use is that? The parents know nothing at all!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1141495]Ah no, I don't really notice because I take my own condoms (Comfort or similar) so its plain to girls I am not looking for bareback FS...[/QUOTE]
I was mostly speaking about some escort classified ads (offering bareback sex) that had been mentioned here by certain ISG members, so, that's why I wrote that you might have noticed that bareback sex was easily available, for instance for those who are willing to pay a premium for the privilege. And this can happen in all kinds of venues and with any type of provider, IMHO.
[QUOTE=Goyave;1141142]I know several Thai men who actually use condoms when they "visit" the local cheap brothels. I also know many foreigners who don't (most of the time), and that's the case for most of my Farang friends here (who are much older than me). And those guys patronize all kinds of venues...[/QUOTE]Goyave, you are correct about Thais. My middle class Thai friends are very fearful of disease. They all use condoms very strictly, even with serious girlfriends, and most certainly with prostitutes. With pros they also refuse to kiss the girls, and use condoms for the blow jobs (though not surprisingly, most of them don't care for blow jobs). I even know one young guy who insists he always uses two condoms every time. I even know several (and this is a growing segment of Thai man, perhaps even becoming the norm) who absolutely refuse to go to prostitutes.
I'm not so sure where this kind of silly over-paranoia comes from, but it is evident.
[QUOTE=Opebo;1141555]... I even know one young guy who insists he always uses two condoms every time...[/QUOTE]
This is stupid, because condoms are designed to be used one at a time and in fact, "double-bagging" can increase the friction between the condoms during intercourse, making them more likely to rip or tear.
But I know that this is a common mistake (not only among Thais).
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1141566]This is stupid, because condoms are designed to be used one at a time and in fact,"double-bagging" can increase the friction between the condoms during intercourse, making them more likely to rip or tear.
But I know that this is a common mistake (not only among Thais). [/QUOTE]If you use two condoms, don't forget to put chili powder in between so that one of you knows if one breaks.
Syzygies,
Two years ago I was at a Expat meeting in Pattaya, and the topic of discussion showed that stats tracking regarding new cases of HIV in Thailand to Thai women was the growing number something like upteen thousands were from Foreigners.
LBM
[QUOTE=Goyave;1141537]I was mostly speaking about some escort classified ads (offering bareback sex) that had been mentioned here by certain ISG members, so, that's why I wrote that you might have noticed that bareback sex was easily available, for instance for those who are willing to pay a premium for the privilege. And this can happen in all kinds of venues and with any type of provider, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, I did hear from a Thai girl that organised Russian escort girls, that many of them were quite willing to do bareback for extra money (perhaps +1K). Its hard to believe the stupidity but some obviously don't care if they will die young. At least some Thai girls are saying "I cannot afford to risk my life. Who will support my child?" (or my mother etc.).
Normally I don't pay attention to advertising of escorts or any other, as I like to choose carefully the looks that will work for me.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1141654]If you use two condoms, don't forget to put chili powder in between so that one of you knows if one breaks.[/QUOTE]ROFLMAO. Thanks for lightening up the conversation. :D A clever one.
2 for 1 airfare. Qatar Air.
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More on website, Good Luck
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1141693]ROFLMAO. Thanks for lightening up the conversation. :D A clever one.[/QUOTE]That's funny, I bet there's even some traditional medicine practice that's promotes chilli peppers as a remedy for HIV or the clap. Google should prove me right.
[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming; 1141865]2 for 1 airfare. Qatar Air.
With luck you can get a 2 for one ticket tommorow,
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(or change "UK" to your locale. DE for Germany, US for United States, FR for France, etc)
We are delighted to announce that Qatar Airways has reached its 100th destination milestone. To say thanks to the millions of our customers around the world, we are offering a fabulous 2-for-1 offer.
Get two tickets for the price of one when you book on the 6th and 7th April for travel between 1st May and 10th June.
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Purchase dates: 6th and 7th April 2011, according to the local time of your departure city.
The price shown on Price & Date Options and Flight & Fare Selection pages are per person.
More on website, Good Luck[/QUOTE]I just checked their fares. Wayyyyyyy overpriced. 72, 000 baht from BKK to California (return). Twice what it should be, so no real deal.
Can't see this as being a deal? 72, 000 baht unless this is for First Class tickets. Depending on this date of travel and return most airlines to California like SFO, the fare is between 25, 000/30, 000 coach. For 72, 000 I can buy nearly buy 3 tickets?
LBM
As deal is a deal as long you believe is a deal.
In other words: there's always some idiot buying BS.
[QUOTE=Mangofan;1142082]I just checked their fares. Wayyyyyyy overpriced. 72, 000 baht from BKK to California (return). Twice what it should be, so no real deal.[/QUOTE]The reason its more expensive from the USA is you are going thru Europe to get to BKK,
I think the prices from Europe are decent.
BK
[QUOTE=Mangofan;1142082]I just checked their fares. Wayyyyyyy overpriced. 72, 000 baht from BKK to California (return). Twice what it should be, so no real deal.[/QUOTE]It's Qatar airways which means they would offer direct flights only to Qatar from California. Of course it won't make sense to use it to get to Thailand from the USA. For Europeans, however, it makes much more sense because Middle East is somewhat on the way from Europe to East / SE Asia therefore they usually offer very competitive fares (usually cheaper than direct flights with Thai, Singapore, BA and other airlines). Here in Europe we are spoiled by choice of carriers and destinations (and sometimes prices).
Bangpost quoted this link.
[url]http://www.everyoneweb.com/worldpenissize/[/url]
Its official. Korea has the shortest dicks in the world (3. 8 Inches average) closely followed Thailand and India at 4. 0 Inches average. China 4. 2 and Japan a very respectable (relatively) 4. 3 inches. How did that 3-4-5 work? I guess it was three minutes. 4 inches. 5K Baht.
Based on the diagrams, we can assume erect length I think. Congo has the biggest average at just 7. 1 inches which is unexpectedly not so huge. This was a self reported figure rather than measured, so can we trust them? Next comes several South American countries. Averages cover a huge range with Congo's biggest (a small percentage) at around 12 inches (look out Thai girls serious damage). Koreas shortest were around 4 cm and I wonder if these guys can have sex without it just falling out all the time (I switched to cm to make it appear bigger). Okay for blow-jobs I guess.
For Europe, France came in top (in average length) followed by Czech, Netherlands and Italy. USA average was 5. 1 inches which is surprisingly low given the large black population. Australia came in well down the list (slightly ahead of USA) despite a very significant Asian population pulling down the average.
I now understand why in Thai porno movies, they seriously struggle to find males with dicks big enough to meet the porn industry 'long John' standards.
Now we will all know the truth. When a Thai girls complains about how big it is, is she telling porkies, sweet mouthing, or just an honest excitement / fear. Some Thai girls have excessively short and tight pussies. Is that why they are so popular? Very average sized guys can fill them completely. I can also see that any Thai girl with a cavernous pussy should be looking for a BF from outside of Asia. I would like to see a survey of pussy channel length and internal volume.
I am thinking of changing my handle to 'Congo Dong Joe'. :D Just kidding, but I have experienced knock backs from Asian girls after looking at the bulge in my jeans (unaroused state). In truth overseas, some Asian girls prefer to do only Asian customers so that they can get in many in a single day (without much wear and tear) and make big money that way.
Does anyone know this character? And what does it say in Thai there?
[QUOTE=Hatguy;1146589]Does anyone know this character? And what does it say in Thai there?[/QUOTE]
I don't know this character, but, if I am not mistaken, he says: "Be faithful, I have a crush on you, I fell in love a little [with you]".
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[QUOTE=Goyave;1146754]I don't know this character, but, if I am not mistaken, he says: "Be faithful, I have a crush on you, I fell in love a little [with you]".[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot.
Now just to make her back off a bit!
[QUOTE=Azertiefou; 1146854]Hello,
I want know if it exist good agencies escorts in Thailand?
If yes thank you give adress please. [/QUOTE]Sorry, there are no good escort agencies in BKK. They all suck (pun intended)
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1142466]Bangpost quoted this link.
Its official. Korea has the shortest dicks in the world (3. 8 Inches average) closely followed Thailand and India at 4. 0 Inches average. China 4. 2 and Japan a very respectable (relatively) 4. 3 inches. How did that 3-4-5 work? I guess it was three minutes. 4 inches. 5K Baht.
Based on the diagrams, we can assume erect length I think. Congo has the biggest average at just 7. 1 inches which is unexpectedly not so huge. This was a self reported figure rather than measured, so can we trust them? Next comes several South American countries. Averages cover a huge range with Congo's biggest (a small percentage) at around 12 inches (look out Thai girls serious damage). Koreas shortest were around 4 cm and I wonder if these guys can have sex without it just falling out all the time (I switched to cm to make it appear bigger). Okay for blow-jobs I guess.
For Europe, France came in top (in average length) followed by Czech, Netherlands and Italy. USA average was 5. 1 inches which is surprisingly low given the large black population. Australia came in well down the list (slightly ahead of USA) despite a very significant Asian population pulling down the average.
I now understand why in Thai porno movies, they seriously struggle to find males with dicks big enough to meet the porn industry 'long John' standards.
Now we will all know the truth. When a Thai girls complains about how big it is, is she telling porkies, sweet mouthing, or just an honest excitement / fear. Some Thai girls have excessively short and tight pussies. Is that why they are so popular? Very average sized guys can fill them completely. I can also see that any Thai girl with a cavernous pussy should be looking for a BF from outside of Asia. I would like to see a survey of pussy channel length and internal volume.
I am thinking of changing my handle to 'Congo Dong Joe'. . Just kidding, but I have experienced knock backs from Asian girls after looking at the bulge in my jeans (unaroused state). In truth overseas, some Asian girls prefer to do only Asian customers so that they can get in many in a single day (without much wear and tear) and make big money that way. [/QUOTE]Interesting someone collected all this data. Must've been very fascinated with penises.
Interesting. I once had a 25 yeard old thai mother of 2 with a cavernous pussy like you say and I really struggled. I repeated with her a few months later and I have to admit that it was a lot more tight, yet too loose for my taste and I'm not on the small size. I asked if she had C-section for her 2 kids and she said yes. So I'm still asking myself if her pussy has always been like that.
Maybe someone will do a Vagina Volume study next?
I can see it now, "excuse me Miss, but can I ask you a few question about..?"
On the flip side, had experiences where I just couldn't get it in. Seriously. LOL.
Too tight or too small opening. And I am average.
I heard that the Free Visa on Arrival at Thailand being offered to visitors from some countries have been withdrawn completely?
I am given to understand that a fees has been imposed of 1500 bahts?
Anyone updated on this?
Hi guys,
I have't been posting for some time, even though I made my usual yearly trip to SEA in February / March.
The reason is, that there is little I want to report on.
Partly due to a lack of notable events, but mainly, because I have gotten myself into a "stable relationship", which, to me, is emotionally much more satisfying than screwing around like I used to do in the past, but at the same time unsuitable for reporting the many many very juicy but very intimate details.
To make the long story short, I have grown extremely fond of a Thai lady of 42, some 5 yrs younger than my daughter and hot as hell (both of them). I mention this, because it is only my obviously advanced age, that has prevented me from becoming totally infatuated with my MILF.
I know all about the "sick buffallo","sich grandmother" and other scams, which many TGFs pull on the Western boyfriends.
I have made this very clear to my TGF from the start, that, while being very generous when we are together, I will never, ever send her money when we are apart.
So far, at least, it has worked and I am very much looking forward to being with her again next year.
We have, however, one serious problem:
She speaks just about zero English and I speak even less Thai. Which makes communicating even the simplest things very tedious. At my age, spending all day in bed with my lady is no longer an option and even then, I like to tell her how good she is and how much she pleases me.
I am fluent in 4 European languages and can get along quite well in at least 5 more, so learning a new language was never a problem for me, but with Thai, I don't even know where to start!
So here is my question: How did you learn Thai? Or What is a practicable way to learn Thai?
[QUOTE=Horny Landoora; 1151812]I heard that the Free Visa on Arrival at Thailand being offered to visitors from some countries have been withdrawn completely?
I am given to understand that a fees has been imposed of 1500 bahts?
Anyone updated on this? [/QUOTE]Took me less time to Google the answer on my iPad whilst sitting in a Bangalore restaurant than it took you to post the question.
[QUOTE=Daddy San; 1151818]Hi guys,
We have, however, one serious problem:
She speaks just about zero English and I speak even less Thai. Which makes communicating even the simplest things very tedious. At my age, spending all day in bed with my lady is no longer an option and even then, I like to tell her how good she is and how much she pleases me.
I am fluent in 4 European languages and can get along quite well in at least 5 more, so learning a new language was never a problem for me, but with Thai, I don't even know where to start!
So here is my question: How did you learn Thai? Or What is a practicable way to learn Thai? [/QUOTE]If you are serious about being fluent in Thai then you want the full immersion method. There is no other way to do it well. Line up a good school over the internet and begin your studies as soon as you return to Bangkok. It will take a couple months to get proficient and it won't be easy. Rosetta Stone doesn't work although it might help you with the basics in your case with your GF by your side to guide you every step of the way.
Of course the easy way to solve your problem is to send your GF to school to learn English.
[QUOTE=Daddy San; 1151818]Hi guys,
I have't been posting for some time, even though I made my usual yearly trip to SEA in February / March.
The reason is, that there is little I want to report on.
Partly due to a lack of notable events, but mainly, because I have gotten myself into a "stable relationship", which, to me, is emotionally much more satisfying than screwing around like I used to do in the past, but at the same time unsuitable for reporting the many many very juicy but very intimate details.
To make the long story short, I have grown extremely fond of a Thai lady of 42, some 5 yrs younger than my daughter and hot as hell (both of them). I mention this, because it is only my obviously advanced age, that has prevented me from becoming totally infatuated with my MILF.
I know all about the "sick buffallo","sich grandmother" and other scams, which many TGFs pull on the Western boyfriends.
I have made this very clear to my TGF from the start, that, while being very generous when we are together, I will never, ever send her money when we are apart.
So far, at least, it has worked and I am very much looking forward to being with her again next year.
We have, however, one serious problem:
She speaks just about zero English and I speak even less Thai. Which makes communicating even the simplest things very tedious. At my age, spending all day in bed with my lady is no longer an option and even then, I like to tell her how good she is and how much she pleases me.
I am fluent in 4 European languages and can get along quite well in at least 5 more, so learning a new language was never a problem for me, but with Thai, I don't even know where to start!
So here is my question: How did you learn Thai? Or What is a practicable way to learn Thai? [/QUOTE]Can I suggest something else? If you are serious about this, you should make it a mutual project. That while YOU are learning Thai, you should offer to put her through a course in English at the same time. If she cares enough about you to take the course and put her work in, while you are footing the bill, you probably have a reasonable basis for making the sort of full-on commitment that this involves. If, however, she DOESN'T want to learn English even on your dime, to be with you. Then that should raise as many red flags as it needs to in order to keep you from making a major life-commitment towards someone who doesn't feel anywhere near the same way about you. Not to mention the fact that interacting intensively with someone else who's fluent in the language that each of you is trying to learn should actually make it easier for both of you to actually learn each other's language.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1142466]Now we will all know the truth. When a Thai girls complains about how big it is, is she telling porkies, sweet mouthing, or just an honest excitement / fear.[/QUOTE]In MY case, I am sure they are being honest.
[QUOTE=Member #2041;1151849]Can I suggest something else? If you are serious about this, you should make it a mutual project. That while YOU are learning Thai, you should offer to put her through a course in English at the same time. If she cares enough about you to take the course and put her work in, while you are footing the bill, you probably have a reasonable basis for making the sort of full-on commitment that this involves. If, however, she DOESN'T want to learn English even on your dime, to be with you. Then that should raise as many red flags as it needs to in order to keep you from making a major life-commitment towards someone who doesn't feel anywhere near the same way about you. Not to mention the fact that interacting intensively with someone else who's fluent in the language that each of you is trying to learn should actually make it easier for both of you to actually learn each other's language.[/QUOTE]I have had a tough time too in all languages. Some things that may helped:
MBK mall has tonnes of pirated software available. I'm pretty sure I saw Rosetta Stone learning Thai available for a 100 bt. That and for about 3000 bt you can get a hand held translator at Big C. They are kind of useless but are worth a few laughs.
If you have an iPhone or iPod, they are tonnes of language lessons available for free at iTunes.
YouTube has lessons too.
Just a few tools that you may not have thought about.
If you can speak several languages already, it shouldn't take too long to pick up. I agree that going for immersion is always the best way, no matter the language. Which means you have to spend more time in the LOS. A tough realization, I'm sure. ;)
[QUOTE=Daddy San;1151818]So here is my question: How did you learn Thai? Or What is a practicable way to learn Thai?[/QUOTE]Pimsleur is your friend. I listened to Pimsleur for 40 days before my trip to Thailand and it helped me a lot. There is only 1 level (15 cds) but it introduced me to a lot of vocabulary and grammar. I couldn't really converse in Thai but when people did not understand my English I could throw out some Thai to clarify and was able to understand a little of what I heard. I think the most effective method is to go through the cds with one lesson (half a cd) per day listening to it 3 or 4 times in that day so about 2 hours commitment per day and also the first time through do not skip a day or double-up and it should stick well in your brain. After the first time through you can go through them again doing 3 lessons per day and finish it for a review in about 10 days so 40 day commitment to go through it twice.
Contrary to popular belief Thai is not that hard a language to learn. The tones can be tough but remember English is a tonal language too but to a much less extent. There are no verb conjugations so all you will really need to learn is vocabulary.
It is too bad that there are not more levels.
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[QUOTE=Member #2041;1151849]Can I suggest something else? If you are serious about this, you should make it a mutual project. That while YOU are learning Thai, you should offer to put her through a course in English at the same time. If she cares enough about you to take the course and put her work in, while you are footing the bill, you probably have a reasonable basis for making the sort of full-on commitment that this involves. If, however, she DOESN'T want to learn English even on your dime, to be with you. Then that should raise as many red flags as it needs to in order to keep you from making a major life-commitment towards someone who doesn't feel anywhere near the same way about you. Not to mention the fact that interacting intensively with someone else who's fluent in the language that each of you is trying to learn should actually make it easier for both of you to actually learn each other's language.[/QUOTE]I think that this is very good advice.
I am 7 years into a relationship where her English is passable but I assure you this is not enough. We have numerous problems based on miscommunication.
Thanks for your manifold suggestions.
The best and quickest way to learn a language certainly is by total immersion.
I have gone through that exercise twice myself. Then, many years ago, it took me all of 3-4 months to become proficient in each language.
The nicest way I learned a language (French in this case) was by total immersion in my French girlfriend. The result was not as good, because half the time we were too busy to converse, but boy, was is nice!
I tried this approach with my TGF, but it just won't work.
She is very smart and not only understands some English, but seems to anticipate when I say something like "I want to eat your pussy" even before I say it, and from then on I can only mumble.
She, on her part, is often similarly "handicapped".
Spending more time with her on a joint project (in LOS or Germany, where I currently live) as someone suggested, would be great fun, but there is a problem: My wife might object.
On a mote serious note, while giving lots of valuable advice, none of you actually answered the first part of my question : [b]How did you learn Thai? [/b]
Taking Thai classes is not an option, because there are no Thai classes where I live.
So, I guess that "Teach yourself Thai on CD" like Pimsleur or similar, is the only way. I guess I knew that all along.
I would appreciate any advice which course to choose and your personal experience with it.
Thanks a bunch.
DS
Total immersionis is great if you are staying with educated people,
But most of the Issan girls did not go to school after 16 years old or so, and then Thai was not what they spoke at home,
You really need to be taught by educated Thais who also know some English so if you have a question of why something is said a certain way you can get an answer you understand,
Is Pimsleur Thai anywhere on the web to try it out for free and see if you like it? I did not really like Rosetta stone.
Thanks.
BK
[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming; 1152485]Total immersionis is great if you are staying with educated people,
But most of the Issan girls did not go to school after 16 years old or so, and then Thai was not what they spoke at home,
You really need to be taught by educated Thais who also know some English so if you have a question of why something is said a certain way you can get an answer you understand,
Is Pimsleur Thai anywhere on the web to try it out for free and see if you like it? I did not really like Rosetta stone.
Thanks.
BK[/QUOTE]There is. Ill send you a link
[QUOTE=Daddy San; 1152471]So, I guess that "Teach yourself Thai on CD" like Pimsleur or similar, is the only way. I guess I knew that all along.
I would appreciate any advice which course to choose and your personal experience with it. [/QUOTE]I learn better when I can see the words as well as listen. So I use this set in addition to the Pimsleur.
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[QUOTE=Daddy San; 1151818]Hi guys,
I have't been posting for some time, even though I made my usual yearly trip to SEA in February / March.
The reason is, that there is little I want to report on.
Partly due to a lack of notable events, but mainly, because I have gotten myself into a "stable relationship", which, to me, is emotionally much more satisfying than screwing around like I used to do in the past, but at the same time unsuitable for reporting the many many very juicy but very intimate details.
To make the long story short, I have grown extremely fond of a Thai lady of 42, some 5 yrs younger than my daughter and hot as hell (both of them). I mention this, because it is only my obviously advanced age, that has prevented me from becoming totally infatuated with my MILF.
I know all about the "sick buffallo","sich grandmother" and other scams, which many TGFs pull on the Western boyfriends.
I have made this very clear to my TGF from the start, that, while being very generous when we are together, I will never, ever send her money when we are apart.
So far, at least, it has worked and I am very much looking forward to being with her again next year.
We have, however, one serious problem:
She speaks just about zero English and I speak even less Thai. Which makes communicating even the simplest things very tedious. At my age, spending all day in bed with my lady is no longer an option and even then, I like to tell her how good she is and how much she pleases me.
I am fluent in 4 European languages and can get along quite well in at least 5 more, so learning a new language was never a problem for me, but with Thai, I don't even know where to start!
So here is my question: How did you learn Thai? Or What is a practicable way to learn Thai? [/QUOTE]D. S.
There are many reasons to learn Thai, if you visit offen or not! Some learn to use it as a pick up line in bars etc. Some learn enough so that they can get around and order the food, some need to learn it like you. Whatever you do or go you need to decide first if it is best to take private one on one or in group. I myself like the group but sometimes depending on the group all they want to learn are words and lines to pick up girls and there are students that might be more advance than you. You seem to be a learner type already fluent in 4 European languages.
In your situation IMHO, I can safely say that since she speaks very little English that she has no idea what you have told her about your situation. Aside from the language you need to learn more about the culture at the same time to avoid saying something you didn't mean or more on her part take something out of context. If you are a talker and go on and go many times a Thai will just say they understand just so that you would shut up and they would do it with a smile.
Many will view this suggestion as B. S. But one of the best books I have read here that I have learned a lot is the book title " Thailand Fever " this book is written in English and translated to Thai so that she can also read what you are reading. I have made this suggestion to many of my friends and many of them come away saying they understand but go ahead and do everything they shouldn't like they haven't even read it. I would nearly demand she read it so first she understand you and where you come from and give her a idea as to why you are the way you are? As it suggest in the book along with what Member 2041 said " if she refuse to read it that is a good sign as to where your relationship is heading!
Aside from the language you are dealing with much more, culture, loosing face, never speak openly to your friends or hers regarding personal matters it will come back to bit you in the ass. Aside from her never trust your opinion regarding a situation with another Thai, thinking it would never get back to her! They will backstab you and not know they are doing it. A word like realise or my can be contrue as something bad so yes it is a great idea to learn the language. Depending on wear you are I suggest you locate a Church that offer language classes for the both of you that way if you need private translation to get something across it is available. I suggest this because if they respect the place and individuals that presents the information they don't loose face.
Good luck, LBM
I'm going through the same ordeal of learning at least some Thai.
It is an incredibly hard task. I think that never in my life I have approached anything so difficult. Whoever tells you otherwise is lying.
My recommendation, if you are not prepared for an endless series of frustrations and likely ultimate failure, don't start it. The obstacles are deeply embedded in the nature of the language (that just to be clear from the beginning, is infinitely inferior in effectiveness to any indo-european language). And the way that is actually spoken.
In no particular order:
The five basic vowel tones. Anybody can understand and discern what a low or falling tone is. Problem is that is in reality, Thais mark the intonation with the less possible intensity, of course they will be understand anyway. I have recorded my Isaan squeeze uttering the five tones of the "maa" word, then had her listen to it. She had to admit that they mostly sounded the same. She blamed the fact she is Isaan. Now guess who do we most often spend time with?
Again on the Isaan people or girls, as somebody has pointed out, they are the worst teachers ever. Thai teacher are bad enough, Isaan people are totally useless. Even when talking to you, they will throw in Isaan sentences or words all the time (It makes a better conversation to their ears), and fail to tell you what is what. They would speak Isaan to each other, and you will not be able to practice word recognition, let alone understanding. That is one reason why they are looked down by other Thai. As soon they open mouth they reveal their origin, and never try to speak properly. Of course the opposite is also true, Isaan also are suspicious of Thai, and not interested in learning proper Thai ever. They only know enough to get away with the elementary school and that's it.
Back on the tones and you. When talking, if you accentuate the intonation, not only it will sound awkward but you will distort the pitch so much that you will not be understood - unless you're a professional signer perhaps. So, you will try to speak softly like them, just to meet yet another failure. There is a fine line that only a native speaker can master, unless you have it as natural talent, just give up with some words and intonations, as you will always sound ridiculous like when they say "call polip" or "Bruy beer". Thanks Buddha there is many useful words with plain tonality, you will want to use these most of the time.
Just to give you an idea, on the TV soap some days ago, a Western woman character was introduced. She was an upper-class, long-time resident of Thailand, to my ears her Thai had no western accent whatsoever and sounded exactly like the TV news. Well, they put captioning on screen when she was speaking! They have very little mental flexibility to understand others that do not speak they way they do, and are very quickl label one as "not very clear", at which point they pretty much give up trying, and ask you to use English instead. Call this motivating!
By the way, in my native European language we have something similar to intonations, we call them tonic accents. So two words can be written the same (expect for the accent), but pronounced differently. Just to be clear, being able to use these, will not help. Also let's say you speak some Spanish and are able to imitate the different way it's spoken for example, in Spain, Mexico, Colombia, and Argentina. That ability will not help a single bit. Spanish is a melodic, fully uttered language possessing a lovely cadence in each geographical variation. Thai is a sequence of short groans, moans.
Now for their "wonderfully simple" vocabulary. Most common words are extremely short, in practice monosyllabic. Now, I do not have scientific evidence to support my opinion, but I think that makes them even more difficult to remember, as there is no interesting sounds to grab to, for a mnemonic approach. But, I remember easily many Arabic or even Japanese words, that are nicely built on two or three contrasting, fully uttered syllables.
Now for the learning methods. Pimsleur is frankly ridiculous. I had great hopes until I discovered that after the first lesson, they introduce only 2 or so new words in each following one. At the 5th lesson they are still very politely asking each other which country they're from and if they speak Thai or not? WTF.
I know a guy that incensed Pimsleur, he also took many classes on his ED Visa, he boasts to be able to imitate the Thai intonation. We used to go out, I would hear him starting a conversation the right way, at that point invariably the Thai person replied something outside his knowledge that he could not respond to, and was soon relegated to the big smiles and gesturing. Also he received pretty much the same amount of "What?" as I do. He would avoid telephone conversation and had to use the smartphone translator all the time.
So we have the method with no writing, and the ones with writing that in theory should help you memorizing the sounds of each letter, words and phrases ultimately. True until you give a close look to the Thai script, with its inane amount of consonants, absurd vowel positioning rules, and the self-similar glyphs. It takes months if not years of effort to discern letters apart, associate a (variable) sound to them, then forming words. Forming is the appropriate term, as they use no spaces (not asking for dots, that would be too much). So it's up to you to figure it out. No wonder I see how Isaan or even Thai people to take 30 or 50 seconds to read one single line sentence on a public sign.
Simply put, the written form was not designed to be universally used, it had instead a religious, political and legal use. Then when they moved into modernity, instead of doing like the Viets done (under French guidance) by adapting the Latin script, they stuck to it, with the great results we're talking about here. If you really want to get close to it.be warned, it will simply bring even more frustration so if you can memorize, just avoid it.
Summarizing. I have the "Thai for beginners" book mentioned below, and will go slowly and painfully through it. I know already that starting each new lesson I have forgotten 80% of the previous one, but something is already better than nothing. I take it more as exercise in perseverance than else. Fortunately there are great dictionaries on the internet with recorded words. After two months here, I start recognizing some words, but only the easy ones with a distinct , almost Western sound. All there rest is, and I'm afraid will remain, a blurred, self-repetitive sequence of moans and groans. Exactly like some of the best moments in sex.
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1153005]...Now for the learning methods. Pimsleur is frankly ridiculous. I had great hopes until I discovered that after the first lesson, they introduce only 2 or so new words in each following one. At the 5th lesson they are still saying each other which country they're from and if they speak Thai or not? WTF...[/QUOTE]Excellent, informative, and entertaining report, NOG, and I'm sad to say you are right on all counts.
I've given up on the prospect of ever learning to speak and read Thai beyond pidgeon mode. You know, like gin hoy mai? I immersed myself in Rosetta Stone Thai before moving to Thailand only to discover that it teaches a very formal version of the language used by diplomats and those who might speak to the king. Needless to say, the Pattaya barbeer girls don't come close to understanding it, not to mention the average Thai.
I just don't give a shit anymore; love living here but have no desire to mix with the natives beyond mongering.
NOG,
For some it is easy for other it is hard? I have been told by translator that the Thai language is one of the hardest? For me like you it is very frustrating, I got to speak English, Chinese and now Thai sometimes I speak to my Mom in Thai and she says WTF are you talking about? It's even harder for someone like me that has a hearing problem. Can't hear all the tones? But remember everyone you don't need to learn Thai to get pussy here!
LBM
[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1153005]...By the way, in my native European language we have something similar to intonations, we call them tonic accents. So two words can be written the same (expect for the accent) , but pronounced differently...[/QUOTE]
[i]Vous źtes Francais, vous? [/i] ;)
Few Thais (Issan, Lanna, Thai-Thais or otherwise) in a casual conversational setting speak with the proper intonations. However, in practical terms, the spoken context will allow the speaker to be understood. I would surmise that if you want to hear proper textbook Thai being spoken, have a listen the next time someone addresses the King on television.
Your saying that the Thai language is "[b]infinitely inferior[/b] in effectiveness to any indo-european language" is an unfair assessment of the language.
Just my opinion.
[QUOTE=Raverboy; 1153265][i]Vous źtes Francais, vous? [/i].
Few Thais (Issan, Lanna, Thai-Thais or otherwise) in a casual conversational setting speak with the proper intonations. However, in practical terms, the spoken context will allow the speaker to be understood. I would surmise that if you want to hear proper textbook Thai being spoken, have a listen the next time someone addresses the King on television.
Your saying that the Thai language is "[b]infinitely inferior[/b] In effectiveness to any indo-european language" is an unfair assessment of the language.
Just my opinion. [/QUOTE]No, I am not French, many languages have tonic accents. BTW, the right form would been: "Etes vous francais, n'est pas?". In this case we notice how "nes't pas?" works like the interrogative form of "mai" in Thai, placed at the end of a sentence.
Thanks for suggesting to listen to selected sources, but you know what, the King doesn't talk to us at will and about every matter. Moreover, we can't talk to him, beside that wold require a different form of Thai, even superior to the one that is "taught" by the Rosetta Stone system.
Regarding your comment about the "effectiveness" of the language. I think your opinion is largely influenced by the forced approach to impartiality and political correctness by which Westerns are largely affected since too many years. Because our ancestors committed too many atrocities in the name of civilization, colonization, or religion, now we refuse to give credit even where is due to the superiority of our culture in many branches of knowledge, ethic or human sciences.
To me, languages that comes without verb tenses, no fixed grammar rules, articles, noun quality modifiers, of which the script is unnecessarily convoluted or bloated beyond reason, and phoneme set lacks some basic sounds that the vast majority of other humans have, _are_ inferior to the ones having 4, 000 years of refinement from the lineage on Sanskrit, Greek, and Latin. I feel privileged to natively speak and communicate in languages that (if necessary) I can use in level of a sophistication impossible with others. English readers do not take this badly, of course great communication, technical and scientific work, poetry and literature can be had in English, but must base on a different foundation. If you studied an European language, you surely know what I mean.
I was taught that the generally recognized talent for engineering and learning languages that the Germans have, is also due to the highly refined structure of their language, so that to cause a mental fortification process in childs, going together with learning their tongue.
I may used the wrong word however, certainly that Thai can be very effective, for example to sell fish at the river marke
[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1153370]No, I am not French, many languages have tonic accents. BTW, the right from would been: "Etes vous francais, and'est pas?". In this case we notice how "nes't pas?" works like the interrogative form of "mai" in Thai, out at the end of a sentence.
Thanks for suggesting to listen to selected sources, but you know what, the King doesn't talk to us at will and about every matter. Moreover, we can't talk to him, beside that wold require a different form of Thai, even superior to the one that is "taught" by the Rosetta Stone system. [/QUOTE]My point exactly. My example using a colloquial 'street' version of French may not be the perfectly correct form, but you understood it just as well.
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1153370]To me, languages that comes without verb tenses, no fixed grammar rules, articles, noun quality modifiers, of which the script is unnecessarily convoluted, and phone set lacks some basic sounds that the vast majority of other humans have, _are_ inferior to the ones having 4, 000 years of refinement from the lineage on Sanskrit, Greek, and Latin. I feel privileged to natively speak a language that I can use in level of a sophistication unknown to other. English readers do not takes this badly, of course great poetry and literature can be had in English, but must base on a different foundation...[/QUOTE]Right. 'Inferior' perhaps. 'Infinitely inferior' perhaps a bit harsh.
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1153370]BTW, the right form would been: "Etes vous francais, n'est pas?"[/QUOTE]
No. The right form is simply: "Źtes-vous Franēais ?" (usual interrogative form), or "Vous źtes Franēais, n'est-ce pas ?" (by using "n'est-ce pas", you are requesting a confirmation of an affirmation or of a suggestion).
By the way, in this context, it's better to ask if the person is a "francophone" (French-speaking person) as many other nationalities speak French too, and not only French nationals.
But it's just for the record, as it is not very important here...
[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1153383]No. The right form is simply: "Źtes-vous Franēais ?" (usual interrogative form), or "Vous źtes Franēais, n'est-ce pas ?" (by using "n'est-ce pas", you are requesting a confirmation of an affirmation or of a suggestion).[/QUOTE]Or Vous źtes franēais? With intonation at the end denoting the interrogative. Or Est-ce que vous źtes franēais? with the est-ce que denoting the interrogative. So we should agree that there are various "right" forms. As Raverboy said, what is important is that you can get the point across.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1153388]Or Vous źtes franēais? With intonation at the end denoting the interrogative. Or Est-ce que vous źtes franēais? with the est-ce que denoting the interrogative. So we should agree that there are various "right" forms. As Raverboy said, what is important is that you can get the point across.[/QUOTE]
Yes, there are various correct forms, but those suggested previously by New Old Guy and Raverboy are incorrect (in proper French). I would not have said anything as it is not very important, but I intervened just because New Old Guy gave a wrong correction saying it was the "right form" while it was not the case. "Tout le monde peut se tromper !" (anyone can make a mistake, nobody's infallible)... ;)
Anyway, it was quite understandable and that's indeed the main point.
Thank you for correcting me. I don't use French almost at all and forgot most of it. For sure we want to speak properly, especially when it's French :-)
Also apologies for the too many mistakes and general "strangeness" in my English.
DIA is a pay site. Is there any free online meeting sites?
Thanks and regards,
AB453
[QUOTE=Aussiebloke453; 1153537]DIA is a pay site. Is there any free online meeting sites?
Thanks and regards,
AB453[/QUOTE]DIA is not a pay site, it is free.
[QUOTE=1Ball;1153565]DIA is not a pay site, it is free.[/QUOTE]You probably never used it then, it is paying if you want to do anything.
Yeah as a free member you can see people but can't contact them, so how useful is that?
[QUOTE=Aussiebloke453; 1153537]DIA is a pay site. Is there any free online meeting sites?
Thanks and regards,
AB453[/QUOTE]There are 2 free online meeting sites with which I am very successful.
However seeing as all you do is ask questions and not contribute any reviews, I won't name them here. You can use the Search function.
Actually DIA is a free site. I met alot of ladies from there.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1153584]There are 2 free online meeting sites with which I am very successful.
However seeing as all you do is ask questions and not contribute any reviews, I won't name them here. You can use the Search function.[/QUOTE]
Hello, Gents,
So, I only have a week to spend in either of the two places, I don't like moving from one place to another, which city would one recommend and which area / location / hotel?
Any advice from the guys in the know would be much appreciated.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1153583]You probably never used it then, it is paying if you want to do anything.
Yeah as a free member you can see people but can't contact them, so how useful is that? [/QUOTE]You're posting wrong information. DIA is totally free and you can contact the girls in real time via messages and they also can contact you. Some users even have their phone numbers and email addresses (mostly yahoo) listed in their profiles.
[QUOTE=Alx 1994;1155351]Hello, Gents, So, I only have a week to spend in either of the two places, I don't like moving from one place to another, which city would one recommend and which area / location / hotel? Any advice from the guys in the know would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]I live in Bangkok and go to Pattaya often. If you are solely on a mongering trip, I suggest you go to Pattaya. It is very easy there to find nice women, the prices are generally better (for women, hotels, food), and when you need fresh air you can take a walk down by Beach Road.
Bangkok has more to offer for cultural tourism, and it is great for finding women. However, there is a bit of a learning curve to get it right, and it is more expensive. If you decide on Bangkok, stay somewhere on lower Sukhumvit Road and concentrate on Nana, Soi Cowboy and the various "oilie" massage shops. Read the forum for specific advice.
Your question could be answered more specifically if you provided more information on your budget and what kind of whoring you like to do (e. g., massage, go-go bars, threesomes, etc.).
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1155400]You're posting wrong information. DIA is totally free and you can contact the girls in real time via messages and they also can contact you. Some users even have their phone numbers and email addresses (mostly yahoo) listed in their profiles.[/QUOTE]Damn, you're right. Apologies to the OP. I mixed it up with TLL
Anyone any idea what the new consequences are for a Touris Visa overstayer for more than 600 days. Yes. 600 days. Yes, there is a 20, 000 baht fine. But is there a jail sentence? Any first-hand experience here?
This is a question for those that make 3-4 trips a year to Bangkok, via Tokyo and return to the US. I need to get back to the east coast and with the recent increase in air fare the direct flights are 2-3 times the normal rate, over $2, 000. Connecting flights are half the fare. The question is from an entry point what are the more reliable and convenient places of entry. Immigration time and customs for connecting flights for entry in Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Washington, DC and Los Angles. Which should one stay away from or are they all more or less the same. Thank you
[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1156320]Anyone any idea what the new consequences are for a Touris Visa overstayer for more than 600 days. Yes. 600 days. Yes, there is a 20, 000 baht fine. But is there a jail sentence? Any first-hand experience here?[/QUOTE]Don't know the answer, but, I would find a local lawyer just in case you need representation. Doing this beforehand could be very helpful. I would hope there are ways to 'grease the skids" so-to-speak. Also - have your lawyer contact your Embassy if you're prepared to accept the punishment. Your Embassy is there to help.
If you don't like those options, I would check into travel to Malaysia via a train or car - or even a pleasure boat from Phuket to Penang. You might luck out and depart without any worry.
Question: If there is no exist stamp what happens on the return to Thailand or is the answer one cannot return?
Just wondering.
[QUOTE=Lalake; 1156361]Don't know the answer, but, I would find a local lawyer just in case you need representation. Doing this beforehand could be very helpful. I would hope there are ways to 'grease the skids" so-to-speak. Also. Have your lawyer contact your Embassy if you're prepared to accept the punishment. Your Embassy is there to help.
If you don't like those options, I would check into travel to Malaysia via a train or car. Or even a pleasure boat from Phuket to Penang. You might luck out and depart without any worry. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1156374]Question: If there is no exist stamp what happens on the return to Thailand or is the answer one cannot return? Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Get a new passport.
[QUOTE=Strikesfun; 1156374]Question: If there is no exist stamp what happens on the return to Thailand or is the answer one cannot return?
Just wondering. [/QUOTE]My first thought would to get a new passport. However, the Thai authorities might show you in their database as never having left, upon your return.
[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1156320]Anyone any idea what the new consequences are for a Touris Visa overstayer for more than 600 days. Yes. 600 days. Yes, there is a 20, 000 baht fine. But is there a jail sentence? Any first-hand experience here?[/QUOTE]Can't imagine there is a one size fits all penalty for something like this but I would seek counsel from a qualified active attorney. I mean, what reason would anyone have for over staying so long without it being intentional? When you intentionally break the law there is less sympathy for you and less room to plea bargain. I suspect jail time may depend on just what the reason is for over staying, like if you were in a coma for 600 days (right) you may have a way out. The right legal counsel and a bag of Baht may be the best way out of something like this.
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3-months in jail for overstay seems harsh.
From Pattayamail:
Italian jailed on overstay allegedly attempts suicide.
Boonlua Chatree.
An Italian man jailed for overstaying his visa allegedly attempted to hang himself while awaiting deportation.
Salvatore Albenese. 44, was rushed to Banglamung Hospital after officers on the third-floor Pattaya Police Station jail found him hanging from a 2-meter-long bandage. Police are investigating which officer allowed the Italian to enter the cell with the long wrapping.
Albenese was unconscious with severe bruising to his neck, but recovered after about two hours. He told investigators he was stressed by his imprisonment and that the noise, heat and foul smell of the jail made him want to kill himself.
The Italian was awaiting deportation after being slapped Oct. 2 with a two-year suspended sentence, three months behind bars and a 2, 000 baht fine for overstaying his visa.
So what can a lawyer do to help about an overstayer, exactly? I heard if an overstayer shows up at the Immigration Detention Centre in BKK the penalty will likely be just the fine rather than being caught in the airport or by a random police officer.
Fellows,
Read the forum but couldn't get a real sense of this. Is it easier / more common to get butt sex in the Philippines or Thailand?
No, not so, you do not want to get caught outside the airport, you go to jail if you are stopped and have expired visa. Better to get yourself to airport and pay the fine, so long as you have the money, they wish you goodbye, no monkey house.
[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1156409]So what can a lawyer do to help about an overstayer, exactly? I heard if an overstayer shows up at the Immigration Detention Centre in BKK the penalty will likely be just the fine rather than being caught in the airport or by a random police officer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1156325]This is a question for those that make 3-4 trips a year to Bangkok, via Tokyo and return to the US. I need to get back to the east coast and with the recent increase in air fare the direct flights are 2-3 times the normal rate, over $2, 000. Connecting flights are half the fare. The question is from an entry point what are the more reliable and convenient places of entry. Immigration time and customs for connecting flights for entry in Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Washington, DC and Los Angles. Which should one stay away from or are they all more or less the same. Thank you[/QUOTE]I only entered back into the US at LA, Chicago, and DC. Immigration in LA is always a nightmare. Chicago and DC seem to move people in and out. Of course this depending on time of year. You might want to avoid Chicago in the winter and DC to a lesser degree. Landing earlier in the day like before 8am is always is better than later.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1156559]Fellows,
Read the forum but couldn't get a real sense of this. Is it easier / more common to get butt sex in the Philippines or Thailand? [/QUOTE]In my limited experience neither place has an abundance but Thailand has Devil's Den where it is guaranteed with some of their girls and it is demonstrated by their lineup who will accept.
[QUOTE=Lalake; 1156361]Don't know the answer, but, I would find a local lawyer just in case you need representation. Doing this beforehand could be very helpful. I would hope there are ways to 'grease the skids" so-to-speak. Also. Have your lawyer contact your Embassy if you're prepared to accept the punishment. Your Embassy is there to help.
If you don't like those options, I would check into travel to Malaysia via a train or car. Or even a pleasure boat from Phuket to Penang. You might luck out and depart without any worry. [/QUOTE]This is a excelllent advice! This isn't your typical few days overstay and although just going to the airport and paying the fine normally would do it we are talking about 600 days that is nearly 2 years. Although the maximun fine is 20, 000 baht. Getting advice here is one thing but none of us are professionals and we aren't the ones going to pay the penalty if we are wrong. So spend a little time and a few bahts and get the correct answer to your question. You might even contact Key Visa online and ask your question since he is a sponsor for the Pattaya Expat Club and if you are in Pattaya, every Sunday he is at the Grand Sole Hotel at the club meeting giving free advice.
If caught you are jailed and shipped out of the country forever.
Don't play around if you want to stay?
LBM
I have by far gotten through the Detroit immigration many times without any hassle at all. Chicago I miss my connection half the time cause of the lines
I found this 24 year old girl in the Nana Hotel parking lot at about 2 am. Her friend referred her as being able to do anal. She has a 3 year old daughter. I like her big naturals & her long hair. She asked 3000 for anal but we agreed on 1500 baht. BBBJ was very good but front to back & back to front service was mediocre. She couldn't take it deep but she tried. Sorry, I think I overpaid based on performance. She offered her phone number but I didn't take it.
[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1156409]So what can a lawyer do to help about an overstayer, exactly? I heard if an overstayer shows up at the Immigration Detention Centre in BKK the penalty will likely be just the fine rather than being caught in the airport or by a random police officer.[/QUOTE]Well, I guess I would say at the very least, if you speak to a lawyer before you go the airport (or place of departure) and let him know your plans, he can be ready to come get you or defend you once caught. One thing I'd rather not do is be in a situation where the Thai authorities can throw you in detention without any one else knowing about it for days. Having someone (of legal standing) on the outside anticipating your dilemma should be something easy to accomplish just for safety purposes.
[QUOTE=Edward M;1156676]In my limited experience neither place has an abundance but Thailand has Devil's Den where it is guaranteed with some of their girls and it is demonstrated by their lineup who will accept.[/QUOTE]Assuming Rick Rock wants to give it and not receive it, there is also Eden club which is on Suk Soi 11 I think. Where the women are sorted by those who do and don't (receive it).
I he wants to receive it. Then, hmmm. I'm going to leave that alone. .
Cheers mates.
[QUOTE=Lalake; 1156856]Assuming Rick Rock wants to give it and not receive it, there is also Eden club which is on Suk Soi 11 I think. Where the women are sorted by those who do and don't (receive it).
I he wants to receive it. Then, hmmm. I'm going to leave that alone. .
Cheers mates. [/QUOTE]Eden is on Soi 7/1 and the girls do give as well as receive.
[quote]the question is from an entry point what are the more reliable and convenient places of entry. immigration time and customs for connecting flights for entry in chicago, san francisco, seattle, washington, d.c. and los angeles.[/quote]i entered the united states at o'hare airport in chicago last fall. arrived about noon. it was a bit of a hike from the gate to passport control, but once i got there the line was very short. maybe a five minute wait. the inspector was speedy and polite. there was a lengthy wait for my luggage, which surprised me. perhaps the ramp rats at united were having a bad day. once i got my luggage, it was only about 50 feet to the customs inspectors. they just waved my through. no inspection of my bags or any questioning at all. from there, it was another 50 feet to where i checked my luggage for the domestic flight to my destination. lots of personnel there, and virtually no wait. even though the distances were not great, i hired a skycap because i had a lot of heavy luggage. once i checked my luggage, i had to ride a train to get to the terminal were my domestic flight boarded. it didn't take very long.
all in all, i think a two hour connection would be doable at ord. by the way, there are anecdotal reports that the cbp agents at lax are prone to hassling single men who have been to thailand. if you search the frequent flyer forums (like flyertalk) you can read stories from guys who got referred for secondary inspection, where the agents were very rude, where laptops were search, where flash drives and cameras were searched, and where the general attitude was accusatory. officially, cbp claims they are searching for child porn. but there is at least some reason to believe that certain agents are grossed out by adult prostitution and they take it upon themselves to give the business to travelers they profile as sex tourists.
finally, turkish airline has service from bkk to several cities on the east coast, connecting in istanbul. i've booked a trip in december, so i'll have report then.
bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky;1157409]you can read stories from guys who got referred for secondary inspection, where the agents were very rude, where laptops were search, where flash drives and cameras were searched, and where the general attitude was accusatory. Officially, CBP claims they are searching for child porn. But there is at least some reason to believe that certain agents are grossed out by adult prostitution and they take it upon themselves to give the business to travelers they profile as sex tourists.[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha. No offense but sometimes Americans are too funny with the way they behave. Those fucking custom agents should look you with envy and not disdain. What a Joke.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1157423]Hahahahaha. No offense but sometimes Americans are too funny with the way they behave. Those fucking custom agents should look you with envy and not disdain. What a Joke.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. America can be very prudish and puritanical. I can say this because I am a proud American.
And look at the way the two societies view the Strauss-Kahn event. Headline: "French agape over treatment of jailed IMF chief."
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/18/french-agape-treatment-jailed-imf-chief/[/url]
Maybe Strauss-Kahn is guilty and maybe he is innocent. No one knows and he will get his day in court, but if the accusations had been made in Paris, the police, the media and the court reactions would have been very different.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1157423]Hahahahaha. No offense but sometimes Americans are too funny with the way they behave. Those fucking custom agents should look you with envy and not disdain. What a Joke.[/QUOTE]On my way out (from the States) last time, the TSA guy looked at my ticket and with a big smile said,"Bangkok, I love that city. Going on a holiday?"
I said, "no, I live there," and he really liked that.
I forgot to tell him about the pretty ladies at my friendly neighborhood McDonalds. :)
[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1156835]I found this 24 year old girl in the Nana Hotel parking lot at about 2 am. Her friend referred her as being able to do anal. She has a 3 year old daughter. I like her big naturals & her long hair. She asked 3000 for anal but we agreed on 1500 baht. BBBJ was very good but front to back & back to front service was mediocre. She couldn't take it deep but she tried. Sorry, I think I overpaid based on performance. She offered her phone number but I didn't take it.[/QUOTE]Maybe not the best performer nor the best waist line, but I would have picked her too based on the face and very nice long hair. Thanks for the photos.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1157423]Hahahahaha. No offense but sometimes Americans are too funny with the way they behave. Those fucking custom agents should look you with envy and not disdain. What a Joke.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha; yes, but we have nothing on the French. :)
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1157435]Absolutely. America can be very prudish and puritanical. I can say this because I am a proud American.
And look at the way the two societies view the Strauss-Kahn event. Headline: "French agape over treatment of jailed IMF chief."
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/18/french-agape-treatment-jailed-imf-chief/[/url]
Maybe Strauss-Kahn is guilty and maybe he is innocent. No one knows and he will get his day in court, but if the accusations had been made in Paris, the police, the media and the court reactions would have been very different. [/QUOTE]I don't get the Hype over this Strauss-Khan story. He's just an old man, with an old wife, he got horny and tried to get action from his maid. I mean, is there really anything wrong with that? Its just sex for god's sake.
In some countries, woman are beheaded or stoned to death over some small shit.
I have worked in the USA and can tell you one thing, Americans are the worst people I have had to work with.
I had to always watch my behavior, vocabulary, body language and always leave the door of my office open during meetings so that no one could be offended or pretend to be offended or make up shit stories about harassment. Not the best work environment.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1157600]I don't get the Hype over this Strauss-Khan story. He's just an old man, with an old wife, he got horny and tried to get action from his maid. I mean, is there really anything wrong with that? Its just sex for god's sake.
In some countries, woman are beheaded or stoned to death over some small shit.
I have worked in the USA and can tell you one thing, Americans are the worst people I have had to work with.
I had to always watch my behavior, vocabulary, body language and always leave the door of my office open during meetings so that no one could be offended or pretend to be offended or make up shit stories about harassment. Not the best work environment.[/QUOTE]You are so right. Look at the things you can and can't do when interviewing a staff member. You can't ask their gender (seriously!) you can't ask their religion, you can't ask their sexual orientation, you can't ask their age, etc. Madness. If you are confronted a transgender dwarf, you had best come up with a super reason for not hiring him / her or else for sure you will a legal action against you for discrimination.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1157600]I had to always watch my behavior, vocabulary, body language and always leave the door of my office open during meetings so that no one could be offended or pretend to be offended or make up shit stories about harassment. Not the best work environment.[/QUOTE]Ever think that maybe it's just you? ;)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1157600]I don't get the Hype over this Strauss-Khan story. He's just an old man, with an old wife, he got horny and tried to get action from his maid. I mean, is there really anything wrong with that? Its just sex for god's sake...[/QUOTE]You're right.
What most civilized American's whould classify as an aggravated sexual assault on an unwilling victim, the French would say "It's just sex for god's sake."
When an old man gets horny in France, it's OK to attack the maid whether she likes it or not.
American's are just too timid.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1157623]You're right.
What most civilized American's whould classify as an aggravated sexual assault on an unwilling victim, the French would say "It's just sex for god's sake."
When an old man gets horny in France, it's OK to attack the maid whether she likes it or not.
American's are just too timid.[/QUOTE]
I am a Frenchman too, but I don't share NicFrenchy's point of view. If proven, the sexual assault is, IMHO, a very serious crime.
[quote=nicfrenchy;1157600]i don't get the hype over this strauss-khan story. he's just an old man, with an old wife, he got horny and tried to get action from his maid. i mean, is there really anything wrong with that? its just sex for god's sake.[/quote]i don't buy it. strauss-kahn may have been naked, but needed to get to the airport in a hurry.
so this african maid is in his room, he probably shoves her out of the way to get to his clothes. she wants money, he declines. she decides to conconct the story to get money.
do we really believe he was that desperate for a quickie when in a hurry to get the airport?
where is her evidence? attempted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. bullshit! he has to get the benefit of the doubt.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1157652]Do we really believe he was that desperate for a quickie when in a hurry to get the airport?[/QUOTE]He was not in much of a hurry as he stopped to have lunch with his daughter, who is a student, and then went to airport.
Slim
[quote=syzygies;1157652]where is her evidence? attempted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. bullshit! he has to get the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]he will get the benefit of doubt in the courtroom and you can be sure he will have the finest legal team that money can buy defending him. but, there is evidence of anal sex. the question is was it consensual. it boils down to a case of he said, she said. the maid will be put on trial too. her history will be investigated completely and unless there is a witness or strong corroborating evidence of forced entry, strauss-kahn will get off. if necessary, a financial offer will be proposed to the maid to drop her accusations. its hard to imagine how a guy his age could so overpower a young, healthy, black girl and force himself into her back door. it is possible, however not very likely imo.
still, all the publicity and embarrassment, not to mention he had to resign his post and his political career is over; strauss-kahn has been fucked and fucked good. you got to ask what was this guy thinking? he is staying in a $3000/night suite at the sofitel. he could have called down to the concierge and requested suitable company. he has plenty of money. he should have made damn sure the maid was happy (big tip) before he left the hotel. in hindsight everything he did that afternoon qualifies as a dumb ass move. i question his rationality, although i agree with nic, it's just sex. it should not be a big deal.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1157722]I agree with Nic, it's just sex. It should not be a big deal.[/QUOTE]Yep, let's see if you both feel the same way if someone ever bends you (or him), your mother, sister, daughter, wife or someone you care about over and force themselve on you sexually. Better yet, follow his example and do the same thing here in Thailand or anywhere else since it's not a big deal and only sex.
[quote=run mann;1157737]yep, let's see if you both feel the same way if someone ever bends you (or him), your mother, sister, daughter, wife or someone you care about over and force themselve on you sexually. better yet, follow his example and do the same thing here in thailand or anywhere else since it's not a big deal and only sex.[/quote]you are assumming it is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is not sex! it is violent sexual assault. it is a crime. if he is found guilty i think they should put him in prison for a long time. i am assuming it was consensual because i find it unlikely, although not impossible that a guy his age could force anal pentration on a young, healthy girl. truth is we don't know what happened in that room. no one does except the two parities concerned. in france the case would have been handled much differently. this is going to be big tabloid news for the duration of the trial.
personaly, i am not capable of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. i desire the girl to want the sex as much as i do. i am turned off if a girl is not into it. i could never force myself on a girl in the usa, thailand or anywhere. so the only way i could find myself in such a situation is on trumped up charges and false accusations. rm, that was a pretty low blow.
[quote=natty bumpo; 1157722]he will get the benefit of doubt in the courtroom and you can be sure he will have the finest legal team that money can buy defending him. but, there is evidence of anal sex. the question is was it consensual. it boils down to a case of he said, she said. the maid will be put on trial too. her history will be investigated completely and unless there is a witness or strong corroborating evidence of forced entry, strauss-kahn will get off. if necessary, a financial offer will be proposed to the maid to drop her accusations. its hard to imagine how a guy his age could so overpower a young, healthy, black girl and force himself into her back door. it is possible, however not very likely imo.
still, all the publicity and embarrassment, not to mention he had to resign his post and his political career is over; strauss-kahn has been fucked and fucked good. you got to ask what was this guy thinking? he is staying in a $3000 / night suite at the sofitel. he could have called down to the concierge and requested suitable company. he has plenty of money. he should have made damn sure the maid was happy (big tip) before he left the hotel. in hindsight everything he did that afternoon qualifies as a dumb ass move. i question his rationality, although i agree with nic, it's just sex. it should not be a big deal. [/quote]it is not easy here in usa to drop the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] case if proven by evidence.
grand jury has advised for the case to go ahead after looking thoroughly about the case.
ofcourse there are holes in the case which will be exploited by the defense.
it is not easy here just to give money to the maid and the case is dropped. however it is possible to get a monetary settlement to the maid and the deal has to be made between her personal lawyer (not the state prosecuter) and the defense lawyer.
the problem facing the lady,
if she withdraws the complaint, she will be seen as accusation with intent to defraud the state and can be prosecuted.
what she should have done is call the police from the room after the attack and prevent the guy from leaving the hotel.
next she should have hired a lawyer to represent her. if she is looking for money the lawyer would have negotiated with the defence lawyers and not allow the case go to court.
now that the case is in the court, it will be harder.
ofcourse if the deal is reached between the woman and the accused she can always play a non-supportive witness and the case will go away. this happens in many cases.
on the other hand if the case goes to full trial she will not get anything.
as for the guy, sometimes people in power do stupid things. he could have had any working girl he wanted. there are many many escort agencies in manhattan who will send beautifull, discreet girls for his fun.
[quote=natty bumpo; 1157745]you are assumming it is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is not sex! it is violent sexual assault. it is a crime. if he is found guilty i think they should put him in prison for a long time. i am assuming it was consensual because i find it unlikely, although not impossible that a guy his age could force anal pentration on a young, healthy girl. truth is we don't know what happened in that room. no one does except the two parities concerned. in france the case would have been handled much differently. this is going to be big tabloid news for the duration of the trial.
personaly, i am not capable of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. i desire the girl to want the sex as much as i do. i am turned off if a girl is not into it. i could never force myself on a girl in the usa, thailand or anywhere. rm, that was a pretty low blow. [/quote]no, i'm not assuming anything, he is charged with sexual assault and the op made the point that the crime is not a big deal because he was horny and just wanted to get laid. you agreed with him and said yes it's no big deal, its only sex which is why i answered your post; his was already addressed by another poster. i am not discussing the merits of the case only the point that any sane person could not see why this allegation would generate such headlines why it is a big deal and not just sex.
She doesn't appear to be so healthy and I wouldn't be surprised if this was a setup by Sarkozy to block DSK from a presidential bid. Either that or she expected to be paid for the sex and he didn't realize and forgot to pay.
[quote=run mann;1157751]the op made the point that the crime is not a big deal because he was horny and just wanted to get laid. you agreed with him and said yes it's no big deal, its only sex which is why i answered your post;[/quote]i guess i am the person you refer to as the op? (what does that stand for by the way? obese prick?)
i just said that there is no proof whatsoever of any forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and it's just the word of the maid so don't make it a bigger deal than it is. as of now, it's just sex and until proven otherwise you can't jump to conclusions.
have you ever had anal sex? at all? because in my case, even if the anal sex in consensual, i have trouble going in. so i just can't imagine someone anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a lady. but that's just me.
[quote=nicfrenchy; 1157756]i guess i am the person you refer to as the op? (what does that stand for by the way? obese prick?)
i just said that there is no proof whatsoever of any forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and it's just the word of the maid so don't make it a bigger deal than it is. as of now, it's just sex and until proven otherwise you can't jump to conclusions.
have you ever had anal sex? at all? because in my case, even if the anal sex in consensual, i have trouble going in. so i just can't imagine someone anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a lady. but that's just me. [/quote]scroll down and read, that's not what you wrote, you essentially questioned why the case was such a big deal because the old man was horny and just wanted sex from his maid. how do you know there's no proof, are you the trier of fact? the police arrested him; a judge held him, a gj indicted him so they must have some evidence, the case won't be tried here. let's see what happens in the court of law if it gets there. he very well may be innocent or maybe not but in no way is this allegation not a big deal and it's not just sex.
i'm afraid that will be a case heard behind closed doors (i think there is such a provision in the ny law system)?
you know, in a way it's harder to prove that anal sex was non-consensual (hence [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]), compared to conventional.
it's practically impossible to sodomize someone without either consensus, or much violence, and lubricant in both cases.
not to say the guy is innocent. we'll see (if they allow).
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1157722]But, there is evidence of anal sex...[/QUOTE]Anal sex? Where did you read it? I thought it was forced ORAL sex (allegedly)?
[quote=bunky; 1157409]i entered the united states at o'hare airport in chicago last fall. arrived about noon. it was a bit of a hike from the gate to passport control, but once i got there the line was very short. maybe a five minute wait. the inspector was speedy and polite. there was a lengthy wait for my luggage, which surprised me. perhaps the ramp rats at united were having a bad day. once i got my luggage, it was only about 50 feet to the customs inspectors. they just waved my through. no inspection of my bags or any questioning at all.
by the way, there are anecdotal reports that the cbp agents at lax are prone to hassling single men who have been to thailand. if you search the frequent flyer forums (like flyertalk) you can read stories from guys who got referred for secondary inspection, where the agents were very rude, where laptops were search, where flash drives and cameras were searched, and where the general attitude was accusatory. officially, cbp claims they are searching for child porn. but there is at least some reason to believe that certain agents are grossed out by adult prostitution and they take it upon themselves to give the business to travelers they profile as sex tourists. [/quote]i have read about people's computers being search but i honestly don't believe it. as much as i travel nothing like that has ever happened to me. i have been directed to agriculture a few times in which all you do is put your bag through the x-ray machine and i have had to do a secondary inspection once back in march arriving from colombia into jfk.
in this instance i had already gone through immigration and was on the way through customs. i have global entry so i use the machine for immigration and do not have to talk to an agent. i was pretty much in a hurry but before i got to the customs agent to give him my card another customs official told me to come with her. she diverted me to a desk in the same open area where the bagage claim and customs is. she opened my suitcase and took everything out and took a screwdriver with a sharp point and poked the plastic areas inside the bag. of course she asked me to turn my computer on but once she saw the screen working properly i was able to shut it back off. then i had to repack my bag myself and was allowed to go on my way. i had plenty of bootleg dvds from peru but she was not concerned about that. it is apparent that she was searching for drugs.
as i have said, after hundreds of times of entering the usa nobody has ever asked to see files on a computer or pictures from a camera. doing this would fall under a violation of the usa fourth ammendment of the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. i advise anyone that this happens to to see a lawyer and write to their congressperson.
[quote=pro fesseur;1157845]anal sex? where did you read it? i thought it was forced oral sex (allegedly)?[/quote]from abc news.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/international/imf-chief-dominique-strauss-kahn-arraigned-sex-charges/story?id=13609991[/url]
"international monetary fund chief dominique strauss-kahn allegedly forced a new york city hotel housekeeper to perform oral sex and submit to anal sex, in addition to allegedly attempting to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her, according to a complaint filed today by the office of manhattan district attorney cyrus vance."
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1157860]From ABC NEWS...[/QUOTE]Thank you. It was not mentioned in the previous news reports that I had been reading so far about this story.
[quote=goyave;1157625]i am a frenchman too, but i don't share nicfrenchy's point of view. if proven, the sexual assault is, imho, a very serious crime.[/quote]i am 1/2 french, and not proud of it. i left as soon as i turned 18. i find most french people to be quite low on the totem pole of cleanliness, manners, and they are also completely oblivious to people around them with their filthy cigarettes. polansky [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a 14 year old was no big deal according to french law. so why would this be a big deal?
oh, and let's not forget the stupid idiotic scarf they must wear around their neck in even 30c temperatures. idiots.
maybe next time frenchy gets anally raped, we can all say. it's just sex.
[quote=nicfrenchy;1157756]i...i just said that there is no proof whatsoever of any forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and it's just the word of the maid so don't make it a bigger deal than it is. as of now, it's just sex and until proven otherwise you can't jump to conclusions...[/quote]who is jumping to conclusions?
how do you know "there is no proof whatsoever of any forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]"?
none of us knows the facts in this case. all we have is second hand information and hearsay from the newpapers.
if the charges are false the guy should be vindicated, and if there is any reasonable doubt, he will. right now, american law presumes him innocent, which is how it should be.
but if the charges are substantiated, sexual assault is a serious crime. it's not just a horny old man having sex, and if you think so, you are attempting to minimize the charge without knowing the facts.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1157847]I have read about people's computers being search but I honestly don't believe it. As much as I travel nothing like that has ever happened to me. I have been directed to agriculture a few times in which all you do is put your bag through the x-ray machine and I have had to do a secondary inspection once back in March arriving from Colombia into JFK.
In this instance I had already gone through immigration and was on the way through customs. I have Global Entry so I use the machine for immigration and do not have to talk to an agent. I was pretty much in a hurry but before I got to the customs agent to give him my card another customs official told me to come with her. She diverted me to a desk in the same open area where the bagage claim and customs is. She opened my suitcase and took everything out and took a screwdriver with a sharp point and poked the plastic areas inside the bag. Of course she asked me to turn my computer on but once she saw the screen working properly I was able to shut it back off. Then I had to repack my bag myself and was allowed to go on my way. I had plenty of bootleg dvds from Peru but she was not concerned about that. It is apparent that she was searching for drugs.
As I have said, after hundreds of times of entering the USA nobody has ever asked to see files on a computer or pictures from a camera. Doing this would fall under a violation of the USA Fourth Ammendment of the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. I advise anyone that this happens to to see a lawyer and write to their Congressperson. [/QUOTE]Do you remember Robert of "Girlfriend for a week" in Medellin? He is in federal detention in Florida awaiting trial as a result of a custom's check of his computer. The American Civil Liberties Union has litigation questioning these searches on Fourth Amendment grounds. Porno is not the issue. Kid porn will get your ass in jail, as it should.
love to see the prudes get all worked up over some old french bastard allegedly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a girl.
people being shocked and amazed.
get fucking real will you please. do you think no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] happens in thailand? or in many other countries?
i am not saying this guy is not guilty. and if he is, he should be castrated, but let's not make a mountain out of a little mole. worse things happen around us.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1157768]Scroll down and read, that's not what you wrote, you essentially questioned why the case was such a big deal because the old man was horny and just wanted sex from his maid. How do you know there's no proof, are you the Trier of fact? The police arrested him; a Judge held him, a GJ indicted him so they must have some evidence, the case won't be tried here. Let's see what happens in the court of law if it gets there. He very well may be innocent or maybe not but in no way is this allegation not a big deal and it's not just sex.[/QUOTE]Look, until he is proven guilty, then it's just sex. We can debate here all we want, we will not be the judges or jury so as far as I am concerned, opinions are like assholes.
[quote=daddy07;1157884]if the charges are false the guy should be vindicated, and if there is any reasonable doubt, he will. right now, american law presumes him innocent, which is how it should be.[/quote]if the charges are false, then the lady should be put in jail for a long time. if the charges are real, then dsk should be castrated.
[quote]but if the charges are substantiated, sexual assault is a serious crime. it's not just a horny old man having sex, and if you think so, you are attempting to minimize the charge without knowing the facts.[/quote]yeah yeah yeah. it's funny how all posts here are taken so seriously, it's a sex forum for christ's sake.
but in the interest of keeping things interesting, i'll say that:
in my opinion, there is no way to anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] anyone against their will. they had consensual sex and the lady decided to open her mouth later on.
[quote=1ball;1157877]polansky [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a 14 year old was no big deal according to french law.[/quote]she was 13 years old. and the europeans still don't care.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1157847]I have read about people's computers being search but I honestly don't believe it. As much as I travel nothing like that has ever happened to me. I have been directed to agriculture a few times in which all you do is put your bag through the x-ray machine and I have had to do a secondary inspection once back in March arriving from Colombia into JFK.
In this instance I had already gone through immigration and was on the way through customs. I have Global Entry so I use the machine for immigration and do not have to talk to an agent. I was pretty much in a hurry but before I got to the customs agent to give him my card another customs official told me to come with her. She diverted me to a desk in the same open area where the bagage claim and customs is. She opened my suitcase and took everything out and took a screwdriver with a sharp point and poked the plastic areas inside the bag. Of course she asked me to turn my computer on but once she saw the screen working properly I was able to shut it back off. Then I had to repack my bag myself and was allowed to go on my way. I had plenty of bootleg dvds from Peru but she was not concerned about that. It is apparent that she was searching for drugs.
As I have said, after hundreds of times of entering the USA nobody has ever asked to see files on a computer or pictures from a camera. Doing this would fall under a violation of the USA Fourth Ammendment of the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. I advise anyone that this happens to to see a lawyer and write to their Congressperson. [/QUOTE]Believe it or don't but it happened to me in LAX coming back from Thailand in 2008, and was made worse by the fact my battery was dead, which made them suspicious. They found just normal pictures of touristic shit and two fully clothed pictures of the desk clerk at my hotel with her parrot on her shoulder. About an hour and a half of bullshit, interrogation, emptied all my luggage out and searched it thoroughly, and were real assholes. Major, major fucking assholes. Some huge black guy and some 110 pound white guy with a short man's complex. Black guy was like, what are you, a faggot? I hate all cops, all LE of all types. They are just bullies. Never anywhere at any time do they make me feel safer.
[quote=nicfrenchy; 1157896]love to see the prudes get all worked up over some old french bastard allegedly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a girl.
people being shocked and amazed.
get fucking real will you please. do you think no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] happens in thailand? or in many other countries?
i am not saying this guy is not guilty. and if he is, he should be castrated, but let's not make a mountain out of a little mole. worse things happen around us. [/quote]with all due respect, i think you are the one getting worked up over this, nic. you, and a lot of other frenchmen who think americans are picking on a french guy. btw, i agree with the french who thought the "perp walk" showing dsk in handcuffs was deplorable, but that's how all americans are treated too.
the rest of us are neither shocked nor amazed, but looking at the situation objectively. the man is innocent until proven guilty. we're not the one's calling for him to be castrated if guilty. you are. that's what i would call getting worked up.
we're just saying that the charges are serious. your initial post on the subject implied that the case against dsk is trivial. i merely responded, without making any judgment, that allegations of aggravated sexual assault are not trivial imho.
[quote=dickhead;1157910]believe it or don't but it happened to me in lax coming back from thailand in 2008, and was made worse by the fact my battery was dead, which made them suspicious. they found just normal pictures of touristic shit and two fully clothed pictures of the desk clerk at my hotel with her parrot on her shoulder. about an hour and a half of bullshit, interrogation, emptied all my luggage out and searched it thoroughly, and were real assholes. major, major fucking assholes. some huge black guy and some 110 pound white guy with a short man's complex. black guy was like, what are you, a faggot? i hate all cops, all le of all types. they are just bullies. never anywhere at any time do they make me feel safer.[/quote]if i was an american, and given such a treatment, then who had to worry would be them, as i would report the episode to the dept. and make a big deal of it. these are guys with already a lot of negatives in their personal file, why not adding your own complain just to make sure they will be stuck at the same rank forever and possibly have to get a van driving job at some point. they are sent to profile and hassle by their bosses in the hope they can scare some **** or whatever shady type and make a bust every once in a while. in reality nobody gives a fuck about them and they are the first to be dropped in case of problems, as we're not talking hero cops guns in hand chasing robbers here. remember you may have spent two unpleasant hours of your life but they spend eight every day doing the same shit, is not like since they are the ones interrogating that makes much a difference, what a miserable life they live.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1157908]She was 13 years old. And the Europeans still don't care.[/QUOTE]There is more story than just that, especially regarding they way he was trialed.
There is also a lot of not prosecuted crimes in the US, doesn't seem the Americans care much?
It is so stupid to read things like [nationality inserted] always do this or do think like that. When a [some nationality] does something, big or small, just or unjust, it's only because he / she was in a position of doing it and so it happened. Not that a whole nation agrees with the fact whatever it is. Can we drop the stereotypes in the name of a borderless pussy nation please.
[quote=new old guy;1157930]if i was an american, and given such a treatment, then who had to worry would be them, as i would report the episode to the dept. and make a big deal of it. these are guys with already a lot of negatives in their personal file, why not adding your own complain just to make sure they will be stuck at the same rank forever and possibly have to get a van driving job at some point. they are sent to profile and hassle by their bosses in the hope they can scare some **** or whatever shady type and make a bust every once in a while. in reality nobody gives a fuck about them and they are the first to be dropped in case of problems, as we're not talking hero cops guns in hand chasing robbers here. remember you may have spent two unpleasant hours of your life but they spend eight every day doing the same shit, is not like since they are the ones interrogating that makes much a difference, what a miserable life they live.[/quote]and if you were american, you would know that would be a really bad idea, as you would be shit listed forever, and would have problems every time you traveled for the rest of your life. but you do have the right idea, in that at the end of the experience i just wanted to say (but did not) : "it sucks being you, working for shit wages doing a boring job, when i am fucking different pussy all over the world." instead i cooperated completely, with a big smile on my face. partly because i knew i had no photos or anything on my computer, and partly because i had a couple xanax in my watch pocket for which i did not have a prescription. xanax is a "schedule drug" in the us and you don't want to get caught with it. so i was very nice and amiable and concentrated on the idea that i had probably fucked one of their sisters or cousins at some point in time.
also, this was us customs and not those fucking rent a cop tsa people. obviously you're european and used to feeling good about "reporting" people to "departments" which i guarantee you never do shit, not in your country nor in my (former) country.
[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1157933]There is more story than just that, especially regarding they way he was trialed.
There is also a lot of not prosecuted crimes in the US, doesn't seem the Americans care much?
It is so stupid to read things like [nationality inserted] always do this or do think like that. When a [some nationality] does something, big or small, just or unjust, it's only because he / she was in a position of doing it and so it happened. Not that a whole nation agrees with the fact whatever it is. Can we drop the stereotypes in the name of a borderless pussy nation please. [/QUOTE]It would be great if stereotypes had no validity. My mom used to say "People are the same everywhere." She had been to two or three other countries briefly, and had visited maybe 7 or 8 states in the US. I've been to every continent except Antarctica and the truth is, people are NOT the same everywhere. Americans ARE arrogant (and loud, and imperialistic, and lack fashion sense) , French people DO stink because they don't bathe very frequently or use deodorant, Muslims DO advocate violence, Méxicans DO use a lot of hair grease, Thais WON'T fight one and one and will always gang up on you, and et cetera. So the thing to do, instead of advocating an impossible borderless pussy nation (which I agree would be great in theory) , is to understand your environment and behave accordingly.
DH we can pretty much disagree on anything! From the effectiveness of reporting CBP hassholes, to the validity of stereotypes! To be honest with you I find yours to be particularly trite and false :.)
And I say that after having lived in the US and having traveled all over the world for many years.
But, also because we know each other in person, let's not drag it on, as each one is entitled to his own opinion. Cheers!
Got to admit I have no idea who you might be but for sure no American wants to get on the shit list. Hmmm did we hook up in your native country and you went off on a guy who was overcharging me in a pizza place? And then we also met up in Thailand and had coffee in a train station? Can't see who else it could be. Don't remember your previous screen name but the English doesn't seem as good so maybe I am wrong. So which particular stereotype is incorrect in your opinion?
[quote=daddy07;1157917]we're not the one's calling for him to be castrated if guilty. you are.[/quote]of course i am, i think that if we could castrate every [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] then the next ones would think twice before trying to spread their love with other unwilling sperm recipients.
we are too soft with these people.
and people who abuse / molest / kill children should be publicly executed.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157847]I have read about people's computers being search but I honestly don't believe it. As much as I travel nothing like that has ever happened to me. I have been directed to agriculture a few times in which all you do is put your bag through the x-ray machine and I have had to do a secondary inspection once back in March arriving from Colombia into JFK.[/QUOTE]Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border.
By David Kravets.
Wired. Com.
April 4, 2011 | 5:07 pm.
[url]http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/border-search/[/url]
The authorities may seize laptops, cameras and other digital devices at
The USA border without a warrant, and scour through them for days
Hundreds of miles away, a federal appeals court ruled.
The 2-1 decision (. Pdf) Wednesday by the 9th USA Circuit Court of
Appeals comes as the government is increasingly invoking its broad,
Warrantless search-and-seizure powers at the USA border to probe the
Digital lives of travelers.
Under the 'border search exception' of United States law, international
Travelers, including USA citizens, can be searched without a warrant as
They enter the country. Under the Obama administration, law enforcement
Agents have aggressively used this power to search travelers' laptops,
Sometimes copying the hard drive before returning the computer to its owner.
Courts have ruled that such laptop searches can take place even in the
Absence of any reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, and more than 6, 500
Persons have had their electronic devices searched in this manner since
October 2008.
The issue has gained renewed attention in recent months as American
Computer geeks connected to WikiLeaks, or who know people connected with
WikiLeaks, have found themselves repeatedly singled out for the searches.
At issue in the case decided Wednesday was the prosecution of a
California man on child pornography charges. In 2007, ICE agents seized
Three laptops and a camera from convicted child molester Howard
Cotterman, and transported them 170 miles away for a two-day search that
Uncovered hundreds of child porn images.
A lower court judge threw out the evidence, finding that the border
Exception did not apply when the search went beyond the border area.
The government appealed. Cotterman's lawyers argued that law enforcement
Should only be allowed to search digital devices at points of entry
Where they have the necessary equipment and personnel on hand.
'We find this position simply untenable, ' 9th Circuit Judge Richard
Tallman wrote for the majority, reinstating the evidence. Limiting
Searches 'would only reward those individuals who, either because of the
Nature of their contraband or the sophistication of their criminal
Enterprise, hide their contraband more cleverly or would be inclined to
Seek entry at more vulnerable points less equipped to discover them. '
The court also affirmed that 'particularized suspicion' was not required
For a border search.
In dissent, Judge Betty Fletcher wrote that the government should have
Had a better reason to search Cotterman other than him being a convicted
In 1992 of child molestation.
'I add my voice to the chorus lamenting the apparent demise of the
Fourth Amendment, ' Fletcher wrote.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1157957]Got to admit I have no idea who you might be but for sure no American wants to get on the shit list. Hmmm did we hook up in your native country and you went off on a guy who was overcharging me in a pizza place? And then we also met up in Thailand and had coffee in a train station? Can't see who else it could be. Don't remember your previous screen name but the English doesn't seem as good so maybe I am wrong. So which particular stereotype is incorrect in your opinion?[/QUOTE]DH, I know you from Buenos Aires, then if really curious, use PM.
Forget the differences and enjoy life.
[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1158005]Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border.
April 4, 2011 | 5:07 pm.
[url]http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/border-search/[/url]
The authorities may seize laptops, cameras and other digital devices at The USA border without a warrant, and scour through them for days[/QUOTE]Those bastards. That is why I spend most of my time away from that place. It has totally gone to shit.
[quote=natty bumpo;1157722]but, there is evidence of anal sex.[/quote]how can evidence of anal sex relate to charge of "attempted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]"? doesn't make sense.
"attempted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" would normally mean nothing actually eventuated.
media bullshit?
are we saying that was started consensual and then she changed her mind when he wanted too much?
Just upload sensitive material to any file storage website before coming back, and that's it. Also a good idea in case you misplace the memory device, or have nosy relatives etc.
As in the "war to drugs", the infinite money given to LE only serves to perpetuate their power, create jobs for the unemployable, and distribute taxpayer money to fight something the average gullible person can't really argue against. Very similar to actual war actually. That of course doesn't mean people will quite the shitthey are doing, only they will do it in a different manner. That is also what the Police State actually needs, an always present criminal opponent, to justify their existence.
[quote=nicfrenchy; 1157896]love to see the prudes get all worked up over some old french bastard allegedly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a girl.
people being shocked and amazed.
get fucking real will you please. do you think no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] happens in thailand? or in many other countries?
i am not saying this guy is not guilty. and if he is, he should be castrated, but let's not make a mountain out of a little mole. worse things happen around us. [/quote]this post reminds me of the old maxim 'better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect you are an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it'
maybe time to put down the opium pipe while there still some grey matter left...
I'm with NicFrenchy on this one. I don't buy the story. It doesn't make sense. Either way DSK is getting acquitted. He hired a lawyer who defended Michael Jackson, crime boss Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano, online gambling king Jay Cohen, Puff Daddy and Jay-Z.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1158028]I'm with NicFrenchy on this one. I don't buy the story. It doesn't make sense. Either way DSK is getting acquitted. He hired a lawyer who defended Michael Jackson, crime boss Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano, online gambling king Jay Cohen, Puff Daddy and Jay-Z.[/QUOTE]What's most interesting to me is the way the French press, particularly Le Monde, is handling the story. On the one hand the coverage is straightforward and factual, but there's lots of handwringing about having ignored the sexually aggressive private life of public people for so long. There's also lots of lengthy explanation about the American justice system and how it diverges in many procedural respects from the French system. All in all, the French coverage is more interesting, since the papers seem convinced that the whole incident reveals something about the French national psyche.
By the way, I don't think he's going to be acquitted; not when the charges have been leveled by a black, hard-working, Muslim immigrant woman. This is going to be played as a morality drama, with the rich and powerful man exercising his droit de seigneur over some poor, powerless
[QUOTE=Pita123;1158028]I'm with NicFrenchy on this one. I don't buy the story. It doesn't make sense. Either way DSK is getting acquitted. He hired a lawyer who defended Michael Jackson, crime boss Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano, online gambling king Jay Cohen, Puff Daddy and Jay-Z.[/QUOTE]What's most interesting to me is the way the French press, particularly Le Monde, is handling the story. On the one hand the coverage is straightforward and factual, but there's lots of handwringing about having ignored the sexually aggressive private life of public people for so long. There's also lots of lengthy explanation about the American justice system and how it diverges in many procedural respects from the French system. All in all, the French coverage is more interesting, since the papers seem convinced that the whole incident reveals something about the French national psyche.
By the way, I don't think he's going to be acquitted; not when the charges have been leveled by a black, hard-working, Muslim immigrant woman. This is going to be played as a morality drama, with the rich and powerful man exercising his droit de seigneur over some poor, powerless woman in a menial job. He's going to go away for a long time, but I agree with Nic, this is being treated out of all proportion to its importance in the grand scheme of things.
GE
Slate has had some interesting podcasts covering the topic. Lots of time trying to explain what is meant when they talk about DSK having a good deal of "vigor".
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1157933]It is so stupid to read things like [nationality inserted] always do this or do think like that. When a [some nationality] does something, big or small, just or unjust, it's only because he / she was in a position of doing it and so it happened. Not that a whole nation agrees with the fact whatever it is. Can we drop the stereotypes in the name of a borderless pussy nation please.[/QUOTE]Obviously when a small percentage of the people do it (or even a majority) , stereotisms are unfair. But life is unfair.
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1157933]There is more story than just that, especially regarding they way he was trialed.[/QUOTE]Yup, there probably was judicial mis-conduct; Angelica Houston said the girl did not act or look like a 13 year old. But Polansky did do the 13 year old (that is a fact; Polansky said she was a "woman", not a child). Although in Polansky's defense, the era in which he did the 13 year old was different. At that time, it wasn't considered the "worst crime around".
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1157933]There is also a lot of not prosecuted crimes in the US, doesn't seem the Americans care much?[/QUOTE]In the US, you don't mess with children or dogs (Amazing that a NFL football player gets more time in jail for killing a dog than killing a human being - Vick and Stallworth).
Well, Vick killed multiple dogs intentionally and repeatedly. Several were found buried on his property and no one knows how many more there were. Plus he was an arrogant asshole throughout his career and had been in trouble before. OTOH Stallworth was legally intoxicated but the pedestrian's negligence contributed, and he had a cleaner record, and he was humble and manned up. Whether it was "intentional" is arguable since he certainly drank intentionally and got behind the wheel intentionally. But there were more extenuating circumstances in his case, in my opinion.
I guess this has been discussed before but it's not the most search-friendly thing to look for. So.
How do you explain that Thai girls are more beautiful than other Asian girls (on average)? I've been to many Asian countries. In no other places do you see that many cute girls, every day girls, in the street. I'm not talking about nice bodies (plentiful everywhere in Asia) and I'm not talking P4P (where actually finding a beautiful girl can be tough). I'm talking about the many beautiful girls you see in the subway, restaurants, malls, etc. There is just something to the Thai face that you don't find in HK, China, Japan or Malaysia.
What is it? Anyone has an idea? Is there a specific ethnic mix that produces features appealing to farangs? I would love to understand this.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1159275]I guess this has been discussed before but it's not the most search-friendly thing to look for. So.
How do you explain that Thai girls are more beautiful than other Asian girls (on average)? I've been to many Asian countries. In no other places do you see that many cute girls, every day girls, in the street. I'm not talking about nice bodies (plentiful everywhere in Asia) and I'm not talking P4P (where actually finding a beautiful girl can be tough). I'm talking about the many beautiful girls you see in the subway, restaurants, malls, etc. There is just something to the Thai face that you don't find in HK, China, Japan or Malaysia.
What is it? Anyone has an idea? Is there a specific ethnic mix that produces features appealing to farangs? I would love to understand this. [/QUOTE]I think the reason that you think regular girls are hotter than pros is that they are different ethnicities. The regular girls you see are probably ethnic Thais while the pros are mostly ethnic Laos with some Khmers thrown in. Girls in regular clothes too can appear hotter too because you think she is a regular girl and is more of a challenge / reward. Try to imagine them in a bikini on stage surrounded by other girls and she might not look so hot any more.
As to why you like Thais more than other Asian, that is just personal preference. Personally I find some other Asians (Japanese, Pinays, Chinese) on average hotter than Thais but also find the ethnic Thais on average hotter than the ethnic Lao and Khmer but that is just my opinion.
[QUOTE=Dickhead;1158297]Well, Vick killed multiple dogs intentionally and repeatedly. Several were found buried on his property and no one knows how many more there were. Plus he was an arrogant asshole throughout his career and had been in trouble before. OTOH Stallworth was legally intoxicated but the pedestrian's negligence contributed, and he had a cleaner record, and he was humble and manned up. Whether it was "intentional" is arguable since he certainly drank intentionally and got behind the wheel intentionally. But there were more extenuating circumstances in his case, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]There was the issue that Vick and his cohorts transported the dogs across state lines, making it a federal crime. To be honest, I don't think him being an arrogant asshole had much to do with it. If this were the case, more people would be in jail for being arrogant assholes LOL
[QUOTE=Edward M;1159310]As to why you like Thais more than other Asian, that is just personal preference. Personally I find some other Asians (Japanese, Pinays, Chinese) on average hotter than Thais but also find the ethnic Thais on average hotter than the ethnic Lao and Khmer but that is just my opinion.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you
Maybe I've been in China for too long and can't appreciate it anymore. However, there is no question that Thai girls take care of themselves way, way more, in terms of fashion, hygiene, make-up, compared to Chinese girls. And even in terms of raw beauty, I would argue that there are many more beautiful faces in the street of BKK than in the streets of Beijing.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1159417]There was the issue that Vick and his cohorts transported the dogs across state lines, making it a federal crime. To be honest, I don't think him being an arrogant asshole had much to do with it. If this were the case, more people would be in jail for being arrogant assholes LOL[/QUOTE]Of course just a generalization but it does have lots to do with arrogants with Vick.
I have met a few guys like Vick who were professional NBA players, without naming one, lets just say he was from Oakland, Ca. Who came from nothing and they had millions throw at him because near his peak he was a king. Guys like Vick who came from nothing then are worship like gods it's hard not to get arrogant. Basically it easy to get out of the hood but you can't get the hood out of the guy (is that how it is said?)
If you ever seen Vick play in person, I did in his rookie season with Atlanta and you could see the talent. Some say his younger brother had even more talent but compare him to Vick, Vick was a saint? Now! His younger brother was said to be a big ass-so and irrogant beyond belief and from what I hear is a crack head or in jail?
LBM
I think the reasonThais are better looking on average, compared to other SE Asian countries, has much to do with the fact that they were never colonized and so there was relatively less miscegenation or whatever you want to call it. Similarly good looking are the Han Chinese, for much the same reason.
[QUOTE=Dickhead;1159741]I think the reason Thais are better looking on average, compared to other SE Asian countries, has much to do with the fact that they were never colonized and so there was relatively less miscegenation or whatever you want to call it. Similarly good looking are the Han Chinese, for much the same reason.[/QUOTE]You are kidding, right!
There are many different ethnic races in Thailand. The 'original' Thai race, the Siamese, is a minority.
Think of the Malay, the Chinese, the Khmer, the northern tribes.
[QUOTE=Dickhead;1159741]I think the reason Thais are better looking on average, compared to other SE Asian countries, has much to do with the fact that they were never colonized and so there was relatively less miscegenation or whatever you want to call it. Similarly good looking are the Han Chinese, for much the same reason.[/QUOTE]While I respect different views on what's attractive, I need to disagree here. I've found that girls who are a mixture of races / ethnicities, either via their parents or even generations before (I. E, many Latinas) tend to be more attractive than "purebloods." African girls with a mix of something else are very attractive to me (I can think of an Ivory Coast-Israeli girl I was with once in Ghana). In the Asian case, Filipinas really do it for me due to that dose of Spanish blood.
[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita;1159782]While I respect different views on what's attractive, I need to disagree here. I've found that girls who are a mixture of races / ethnicities, either via their parents or even generations before (I. E, many Latinas) tend to be more attractive than "purebloods." African girls with a mix of something else are very attractive to me (I can think of an Ivory Coast-Israeli girl I was with once in Ghana). In the Asian case, Filipinas really do it for me due to that dose of Spanish blood.[/QUOTE]With a handle name with both butt and tit in it, and ending in a vowel, why does that not surprise me? Thai girls have neither but they have everything else the Latinas don't.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1159453]Maybe I've been in China for too long and can't appreciate it anymore. However, there is no question that Thai girls take care of themselves way, way more, in terms of fashion, hygiene, make-up, compared to Chinese girls. And even in terms of raw beauty, I would argue that there are many more beautiful faces in the street of BKK than in the streets of Beijing.[/QUOTE]I can't speak about Bejiing, but there are many beautys here in BKK, whether it's at MBK, around Nana in the daytime or at night. Although I'd prefer the Hong Kong 141 sex site girls even more.
As to cleanliness, TGs do have a rep for that. OTOH I don't like how some I see are picking their zits and then ready to give me a HJ one minute later without washing their hands with soap & hot water.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1159727]Do you believe what you tell us. God help us all if you do![/QUOTE]I hope you didn't believe the following:
"She was a girl who didn't usually orgasm from customers, but particularly liked an extended blowjob that most customers were too lazy to give."
What kind of a "girl" recieves a "blowjob"?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1159935]What kind of a "girl" recieves a "blowjob"?[/QUOTE]One that has a Clit the size of a small dicked Japanese (2 inches I think)
[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita;1159782]While I respect different views on what's attractive, I need to disagree here. I've found that girls who are a mixture of races / ethnicities, either via their parents or even generations before (I. E, many Latinas) tend to be more attractive than "purebloods." African girls with a mix of something else are very attractive to me (I can think of an Ivory Coast-Israeli girl I was with once in Ghana). In the Asian case, Filipinas really do it for me due to that dose of Spanish blood.[/QUOTE]I agree on this. Mixed ethnicity blood generates better looking and somehow also stronger health.
Small communities (such as in islands) do tend to mix blood with same "relatives" and it is no good for the development of the physical (and health) specs.
You made a right example with people from the same area, but from countries having a different "foreign" influences.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1159275]I guess this has been discussed before but it's not the most search-friendly thing to look for. So.
How do you explain that Thai girls are more beautiful than other Asian girls (on average)? I've been to many Asian countries. In no other places do you see that many cute girls, every day girls, in the street. I'm not talking about nice bodies (plentiful everywhere in Asia) and I'm not talking P4P (where actually finding a beautiful girl can be tough). I'm talking about the many beautiful girls you see in the subway, restaurants, malls, etc. There is just something to the Thai face that you don't find in HK, China, Japan or Malaysia.
What is it? Anyone has an idea? Is there a specific ethnic mix that produces features appealing to farangs? I would love to understand this.[/QUOTE]I discussed this with a friend recently, and he believed that part of the key is the context that you meet / see these girls. E. G the fact that you meet these girls in erotic settings (be it a gogo bar or a MP, or whatever) and most of them would not hesitate to jump into bed with you when you snap your fingers makes them hotter in your eyes.
I'm not so sure this is true. Today, I had lunch in a Thai restaurant here in Sweden where I live. All the staff were Thai (or at least looked like it) and I found all the girls rather hot. The cashier was one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen. Perfect body, perfect smile, and eyes that you could drown in. I must have looked like a drooling fool when I paid the tab. She is of course totally inaccessible to me, for many reasons. Main one is the fact that my lunch date happened to be my wife.
Now that I think about it, she looked a lot like my favourite girl at Annies. Good thing I'm back in Bangkok this Sunday!
[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita;1159782]I've found that girls who are a mixture of races / ethnicities, either via their parents or even generations before (I. E, many Latinas) tend to be more attractive than "purebloods." African girls with a mix of something else are very attractive to me (I can think of an Ivory Coast-Israeli girl I was with once in Ghana). In the Asian case, Filipinas really do it for me due to that dose of Spanish blood.[/QUOTE]Two reasons for this. One is that averages=healthy. Not too fat, not to thin, not too anything. Average girl actually starts out with an advantage in attracting males. Other is "hybrid vigor". [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis.[/url]
Of course we all tend to be comfortable with people who look like us. Or like the people we're accustomed to seeing. But if you took an average of all the women on Earth, you'd hit it.
When going to Thailand for a few weeks, I usually lose my libido (appetite for sex) after about a week. Last time this happened both my friends and me.
[B]Are there any pills you can take to bring your appetite for sex back? [/B] (I am obviously not talking about viagra or cialis here.)
Suggestions?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1161242]Well, That's why I said the Story you build is very important. Of course I lie, but it's always the same Lie so I have no problem remembering.[/QUOTE]I'd have to hear what your "story" is if I am to be convinced as to your claim of never having any problems with non pay for play gals in BKK. Otherwise I'd be more inclined to agree with older and more experienced posting old thai hands such as Daddy and OTH who although he preferred so-called "good girls" to "working girls" because he considered the latter to be dumb "country bumpkins", he still admitted to numerous problems, and some horror stories, with his many affairs with the former. Which, by the way, affirmed my intent to swear off the, ahem,"good girl" workers forever. Aside from that, if true, I'd have to attribute your alleged success to any or all of the following: few encounters, random luck, being extremely attractive to TGs beyond 99. 9 % of ISG readers. By attractive I mean such things that would suck in hot TG's, such as being young, handsome, rich, cultured, speak Thai, excellent job, living in BKK, sweet mouth too much, well endowed, fabulous in bed, generous and so on. If a guy had all that, then the claim might be true over a few dozen encounters with 10 different girls.
Any recommendations for any restaurants near or around Nana / Soi 11? Buffets? Seafood? Thanks for any thoughts or comments on this topic.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1164081]I'd have to hear what your "story" is if I am to be convinced as to your claim of never having any problems with non pay for play gals in BKK.
Aside from that, if true, I'd have to attribute your alleged success to any or all of the following: few encounters, random luck, being extremely attractive to TGs beyond 99. 9 % of ISG readers. By attractive I mean such things that would suck in hot TG's, such as being young, handsome, rich, cultured, speak Thai, excellent job, living in BKK, sweet mouth too much, well endowed, fabulous in bed, generous and so on. If a guy had all that, then the claim might be true over a few dozen encounters with 10 different girls. [/QUOTE]It stands to reason that many people think that normal Thai women are as shallow as many of us mongers tend to be.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1164108]Any recommendations for any restaurants near or around Nana / Soi 11? Buffets? Seafood? Thanks for any thoughts or comments on this topic.[/QUOTE]Loads of good restaurants in that area, but it depends what you want regarding price and ethnicity.
Cabbages & Condoms (Soi 10?) is worth going to once if you haven't been.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1164108]Any recommendations for any restaurants near or around Nana / Soi 11? Buffets? Seafood? Thanks for any thoughts or comments on this topic.[/QUOTE]I did it in a few decent not expensive places in Shukhmivt not far from Nana, both sides, but honestly can't recall the names: they are looking quite new and no more than a few Sois from 4.
There is one (Soi 12, walk 200mtr) , called Cabbage & Condom: thai food, nice atmpshere and. Something to not strictly related to mongering life, but still. On safe sex!
Google for it and you will see more about it.
The nearby 4-5 star hotels surely offer nice coffe shops.
Also a lot of indian cuisine around
Delicacies can be found at some stall in front of NEP: but do not ask what you eat! :)
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1164149]Loads of good restaurants in that area, but it depends what you want regarding price and ethnicity.
Cabbages & Condoms (Soi 10?) is worth going to once if you haven't been. [/QUOTE]Cabbages and condoms? Damn, food and service both are crap at this place. This is tourist only caus only these ignorant guys would eat there. Food is horrendous (and I am being nice).
Oh, I forgot, they give you these cheap ass condoms for free (use them at your own risk.)
The only thing I like about Cabbages & Condom is the Charity aspect. So From time to time I go there and drop 1, 000 thb donation and go eat somewhere else.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1164155]Cabbages and condoms? Damn, food and service both are crap at this place. This is tourist only caus only these ignorant guys would eat there. Food is horrendous (and I am being nice).
Oh, I forgot, they give you these cheap ass condoms for free (use them at your own risk.)
The only thing I like about Cabbages & Condom is the Charity aspect. So From time to time I go there and drop 1, 000 thb donation and go eat somewhere else.[/QUOTE]I would have to agree that C&C is just a tourist joint and most folks I know have not enjoyed the food. I applaud your civic mindedness in making the contribution and common sense to eat else where.
I heard of small Chinese restaurant (cantonese) called Yong Lee on the corner of Suk and Soi 15 that is know for their roast duck.
Also, I heard some of buffets in the 4 & 5 star hotels are good, but expensive as well. I just wanted to know if anyone had anything to say about them. On Soi 11, the German & Japanese restaurants in the Grand President are good from my experience. Some folks said Rosabieng is suppose to be kind of good as well.
Nobody has really done details on the airport rail link so here goes.
One way trip Airport to Sukhumvit is 50 baht or 105 baht depending on whether you go Express or City Line.
City Line Airport to Makassan is 35 baht. Walk around from Makassan to Phetchburi MRT station (around 80 metres) and then one stop on MRT to Sukhumvit station and you have gone from Airport to Asoke BTS / Sukhumvit MRT for 50 baht and in around 45 minutes.
Excellent if you have to get to Sukhumvit in times of traffic jams where a taxi will cost 400 baht and take over 1 hour.
If you want to do it quicker there is the Express train, which costs 90 baht from Aiport to Makassan.
At the airport keep going down and the Airport train is on the lowest level. Right hand side is City Line train which takes 30 minutes from Airport to Makassan for 35 baht. On the left hand side is Express line which takes 15 minutes from Airport to Makassan for 90 baht.
Once you arrive at Makassan you can get a taxi, or if you do not mind a short walk then you can walk around to Phetchburi MRT station and from there go anywhere the MRT goes (which for Sukhumvit is one stop for 15 baht).
I always use the train if I have no luggage, as simply its quicker than taxi at most times of the day.
Coming back to the airport is just the reverse, either get the MRT to Phetchburi station and walk around to Makassan Airport Rail link station, or get a taxi to Makassan and get on the train from there. Fares are the same. 35 baht for City Link train and 90 baht for Express train.
If you are averse to walking a little, or do not like pulling you luggage around a bit, use a taxi from the airport. If you want to get into Sukhumvit quickly and avoid the traffic jams then use a combination of Express train and MRT and you can be in Sukhumvit Asoke from the airport in 30 to 45 mintues regardless of traffic.
The choice is yours. 50 baht for the total trip on the City Line / MRT or 105 baht on the Express Line / MRT.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1164155]Cabbages and condoms? Damn, food and service both are crap at this place. This is tourist only caus only these ignorant guys would eat there. Food is horrendous (and I am being nice).
Oh, I forgot, they give you these cheap ass condoms for free (use them at your own risk.)
The only thing I like about Cabbages & Condom is the Charity aspect. So From time to time I go there and drop 1, 000 thb donation and go eat somewhere else. [/QUOTE]So f*king patronising.
Sure, it's not haute cuisine; I never said it was. The service is fine. The prIice is arguably a bit high but not excessive. 0bviously you chuck the free condoms.
You go there because it is a little bit different, amusing or interesting, and an admirable charity.
I repeat my statement. It's worth going to once. You have obviously been a few times and even tried the condoms.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1164108]Any recommendations for any restaurants near or around Nana / Soi 11? Buffets? Seafood? Thanks for any thoughts or comments on this topic.[/QUOTE]There are loads. Sunrise Tacos is pretty good, as are a number of restaurants in Koreatown. Down Soi 11, Zanzibar and Limoncello are pretty good. There's also a German restaurant near both places and it's okay. Also down Soi 11, if U-turn left there's a little soi that Cheap Charlie's is on. Lots of little restaurants down there that are good.
I've been to Cabbages and Condoms twice. Unless you are on a date, don't waste your time. Food is overpriced for what it is. The condoms that they hand out are useless. Wayyyyy too small.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1164243]I repeat my statement. It's worth going to once. You have obviously been a few times and even tried the condoms.[/QUOTE]Once is plenty. I would never take a date there. Just a newbie tourist.
[QUOTE=Mangofan;1164266]There are loads. Sunrise Tacos is pretty good, as are a number of restaurants in Koreatown. Down Soi 11, Zanzibar and Limoncello are pretty good. There's also a German restaurant near both places and it's okay. Also down Soi 11, if U-turn left there's a little soi that Cheap Charlie's is on. Lots of little restaurants down there that are good.[/QUOTE]Tastes in food are obviously as diferent as tastes in women.
Zanzibar is over-priced IMO.
There's a nice little Thai restaurant at the other end of Cheap Charlie Soi ('It's just a tourist place', the cry goes out.). Most of the other restaurants aren't Thai, which pretty much rules them out for me (when in Thailand I eat Thai. That rule applies in most countries except Korea. So equally KoreaTown ruled out for me).
I wouldn't touch a hotel buffet with a fork on the end of a barge-pole, but I'm prejudiced.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1164158]I heard of small Chinese restaurant (cantonese) called Yong Lee on the corner of Suk and Soi 15 that is know for their roast duck.[/QUOTE]Their duck soup (ba mee bped) is great!
Thank you all for your thoughtful comments and suggestions.
I will look forward to checking them out.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1164243]So f*king patronising.[/QUOTE]Really? Maybe but I am opinionated if that's what you call patronising, then so be it.
I'm just a french asshole, what can I do.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1164338]Really? Maybe but I am opinionated if that's what you call patronising, then so be it.[/QUOTE]No. 'Opinionated' and 'patronising' are not synonyms; they are not just two ways of looking at the world. You can easily be one without the other.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1164338]I'm just a french asshole, what can I do.[/QUOTE]Don't conform to your national stereotype, that's what. Break free.
You must really miss Paris:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6197921.stm[/url]
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1164286]I wouldn't touch a hotel buffet with a fork on the end of a barge-pole, but I'm prejudiced.[/QUOTE]Oh come on LOL, you say that after recommending that shithole Cabbages and Condom?
I can guarantee (tried and approved) that the buffet at the 4 seasons, sukhothai, SGS and even WGS are above average. The Marriott "All you can eat" Dim sum are also amazing for only 750 thb per person (see picture)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1164385]Oh come on LOL, you say that after recommending that shithole Cabbages and Condom?
I can guarantee (tried and approved) that the buffet at the 4 seasons, sukhothai, SGS and even WGS are above average. The Marriott "All you can eat" Dim sum are also amazing for only 750 thb per person (see picture) [/QUOTE]Without wishing to flog a very mort cheval, I was mentioning C&C as a mildly interesting one-off experience with OK food.
Above average buffet? You may well be correct. But the thought of a table full of barely warm mass-produced food stagnating and slowly congealing, whilst being picked over by a troupe of picky tourists in 4-star 'ambience' fills me with horror. And the words 'All you can eat for 750 Bht' are not normally associated with fine dining... But I am fussy. A carvery, anyone?
Give me that little food court on the corner of Soi 3 any day. Lovely pineapple smoothies. :)
Anyway, it's way past my bed-time in this time zone. See you all in LOS on Sunday.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1164389]Without wishing to flog a very mort cheval, I was mentioning C&C as a mildly interesting one-off experience with OK food.[/QUOTE]I was just kidding about the C&C. .
Maybe we'll do brunch with Pita123, Alex and some other ISGers@the SGS on Sunday.
Ok, it's like 2, 000+ a pop, but well worth it.
Pita123, you in town? Get your ass over to BKK
I've just realized why all Thai people have cellphones with a large screen. It's almost impossible to read and write Thai script on a small screen one, where of course Roman script works perfectly. At a low resolution, you would need a lens to tell one letter from the other, even if it's your native language. What a fucked up alphabet.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1164108]Any recommendations for any restaurants near or around Nana / Soi 11? Buffets? Seafood? Thanks for any thoughts or comments on this topic.[/QUOTE]I would like to recommend a medium-priced Korean restaurant, Dawon (not to be confused with Dawin Hotel) , near the Thonglor skytrain station, only three stops from Nana.
Each table has a grill, where you grill your own meat, which they keep serving you (all you can eat, time limit 2 hours) along with tasty vegetables. Only Asians eating there when I was there, which is usually a good sign. Great place to bring a date.
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1164243]So f*king patronising.
Sure, it's not haute cuisine; I never said it was. The service is fine. The prIice is arguably a bit high but not excessive. 0bviously you chuck the free condoms.
You go there because it is a little bit different, amusing or interesting, and an admirable charity.
I repeat my statement. It's worth going to once. You have obviously been a few times and even tried the condoms. [/QUOTE]I fully agree. The question was not "I am looking for fine place where I can eat every day at cheap price.
It is a nice one off. Just when trying a new wine for a change. Worth doing.
It is an usual place, why not trying, then?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1164385]Oh come on LOL, you say that after recommending that shithole Cabbages and Condom?
I can guarantee (tried and approved) that the buffet at the 4 seasons, sukhothai, SGS and even WGS are above average. The Marriott "All you can eat" Dim sum are also amazing for only 750 thb per person (see picture) [/QUOTE]What hotels are SGS and WGS?
[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1164321]Thank you all for your thoughtful comments and suggestions.
I will look forward to checking them out. [/QUOTE]If you like Thai food. And open late night. Try out the Thai Restaurants right across from the Beergarden. Not bad and not expensive.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1164182]Nobody has really done details on the airport rail link so here goes.
One way trip Airport to Sukhumvit is 50 baht or 105 baht depending on whether you go Express or City Line.
City Line Airport to Makassan is 35 baht. Walk around from Makassan to Phetchburi MRT station (around 80 metres) and then one stop on MRT to Sukhumvit station and you have gone from Airport to Asoke BTS / Sukhumvit MRT for 50 baht and in around 45 minutes.
Excellent if you have to get to Sukhumvit in times of traffic jams where a taxi will cost 400 baht and take over 1 hour.
If you want to do it quicker there is the Express train, which costs 90 baht from Aiport to Makassan.
At the airport keep going down and the Airport train is on the lowest level. Right hand side is City Line train which takes 30 minutes from Airport to Makassan for 35 baht. On the left hand side is Express line which takes 15 minutes from Airport to Makassan for 90 baht.
Once you arrive at Makassan you can get a taxi, or if you do not mind a short walk then you can walk around to Phetchburi MRT station and from there go anywhere the MRT goes (which for Sukhumvit is one stop for 15 baht).
I always use the train if I have no luggage, as simply its quicker than taxi at most times of the day.
Coming back to the airport is just the reverse, either get the MRT to Phetchburi station and walk around to Makassan Airport Rail link station, or get a taxi to Makassan and get on the train from there. Fares are the same. 35 baht for City Link train and 90 baht for Express train.
If you are averse to walking a little, or do not like pulling you luggage around a bit, use a taxi from the airport. If you want to get into Sukhumvit quickly and avoid the traffic jams then use a combination of Express train and MRT and you can be in Sukhumvit Asoke from the airport in 30 to 45 mintues regardless of traffic.
The choice is yours. 50 baht for the total trip on the City Line / MRT or 105 baht on the Express Line / MRT. [/QUOTE]Good to know that. I always get stuck in traffic for over an hour. Since I always stay around Suk I'm going to try that next time.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1164399]I was just kidding about the C&C. .Maybe we'll do brunch with Pita123, Alex and some other ISGers@the SGS on Sunday. Ok, it's like 2, 000+ a pop, but well worth it. Pita123, you in town? Get your ass over to BKK[/QUOTE]Pita, where are you?
Here's a few more buffet options (shamelessly copied from another forum & may not be current as of today. I'll check the internet for some of them)
Friday. Baccara.
One of the most popular go go bars on Soi Cowboy also serves up one of the most popular all-you-can-eat dinners in Bangkok every Friday night. The price varies at times, but the last time I was there it was 100 baht per person, and the buffet was served from 9 pm until about 11 pm. They spend the afternoon barbequing a pig, then cut it up and serve it with mashed potatoes, sauerkraut, potato salad, gravy, and sometimes a tossed salad. There is also Thai food; usually 4 to 6 dishes each Friday, though the selection varies. Sit on the open-air veranda in front of the go go and stuff yourself, but be aware that the service staff will expect you to order at least one drink. I've heard it rumored that the owner of Baccara runs this buffet every week as an excuse to barbeque the pig and irritate 'the Arab' who owns several bars on the Soi, but I have no idea whether that's true or not. This is probably not the place to bring your wife or girlfriend, though it's a great place to chow down with a bunch of good mates.
Saturday. The Wine Pub Ratchatewi.
The Wine Pub may not be known to people who spend most of their time in Sukhumvit and Silom. It's on the second floor of the Pullman Hotel. The full address is:
2nd floor at Pullman Bangkok Hotel.
King Power. 8/2 Rangnam Road, Thanon-Phayathai,
Ratchathewi, Bangkok.
Every Saturday night from 6 pm to 10 pm the Wine Pub offers an all-you-can-eat tapas meal priced at 900 baht per person. The meal includes a bottle of wine, and if you don't finish the bottle you can take it home. The theécor is upscale and trendy, and the service is very good. This is a great place for a first date or a dinner with business colleagues.
Sunday. The Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit Sukhumvit Road.
This is an elegant Sunday meal. The price is 2, 000 baht per person for one of the best Sunday brunches around, which is served from 11:30 a. M. Until 3:00pm Enjoy a buffet that is heavy on seafood while a live jazz trio plays gently in the background. Drinks are included in this buffet that is all about quality, but be ready to add a 10% service charge and 7% VAT to the bill, bringing the total price to 2, 340 baht per person. It's a wonderful buffet in a great atmosphere and worth every satang!
Monday. Coyote Mexican Restaurant on Sukhumvit Road near Soi 33.
We featured Coyote in the very first Spotlight, but that's no reason to ignore the great Monday night buffet that they offer, so here we go again. The price is 249 baht and the hours are from 6:30 to 9:30. Good quality Mexican food is available along with happy hour pricing until 6:30. Nice atmosphere, good service and a manager who has a good eye for picking pretty girls to work in the place. Your wife or girlfriend will feel right at home here, and it's also suitable for a business dinner or a night out with a group of friends.
Tuesday. Narai Pizza locations throughout Bangkok.
The price is 179 baht and the buffet runs all day, from 10:00 am to 9:30 pm. I like the pizza here, though some people say it's crap. They offer some spicy noodles on the buffet as well but I wouldn't recommend them. One nice thing about this buffet is that it includes soft drinks. They offer Pepsi and 7up, but I usually get the lemon iced tea. This is a chain restaurant aimed at families, university students and the like. They have several locations, but I usually go to Century Mall near Victory Monument BTS or Fortune Center near Rama 9 MRT station.
Wednesday. The Great American Rib Company on Sukhumvit Soi 36.
The price is 450 baht but not 100% sure about the hours. You can sit outside on the open air deck at large picnic tables with wooden benches and enjoy American style barbeque in a very casual atmosphere that's perfect for a relaxed dinner with your girlfriend or a long night of drinking and eating with several of you best pals. Beef, pork and chicken are featured, and a specialty of the house is jalapeno corn bread, which I really love. You'll pay for your drinks here. I'the suggest plenty of cold beer to wash down the food, and then a taxi to take you back to your room for a long night's sleep.
Thursday. Yuan Chinese Restaurant Millennium Hilton Hotel.
Okay, I'm cheating a little bit on this one because the buffet is available every day, but the price is 650 baht per person for an all-you-can-eat dim sum lunch that is available from 11:30 a. M. To 2:30 pm I've actually never eaten in this restaurant, though I've had some lovely evenings on the riverside veranda. This is one of Bangkok's best quality hotels, so I'm prepared to recommend the restaurant on the strength of the Hilton reputation.
(source: spotlight guy on big mango blog)
I'll add a few more buffet options:
Monday. Bully's Pub on Sukhumvit 1 serves all-you can eat spaghetti and meatballs. Only been there once but it was excellent. 179 baht when I went a few years back.
Tuesday. Bourbon Street Pub (sukhumvit 22) has a Mexican buffet. It's pretty good, lots of options. I think it's about 300 baht but I can't be sure.
Sunday. Molly Malone's in Silom has a Sunday carvery from 12pm. 4pm. Lamb, Roast Beef, and Ham along with yorkshire pudding and some veg. Dessert is included.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1164460]What hotels are SGS and WGS?[/QUOTE]SGS = Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit.
WGS = Westin Grande Sukhumvit
[QUOTE=Pita123;1164288]Their duck soup (ba mee bped) is great![/QUOTE]Yong Lee is very well known and popular since ancient times, despite grumpy staff and and closes very early (mainly a daytime place). Also closes for a staff break period. If after duck, I suggest Thong Kee on other side of Suk close to Asoke station is actually better tasting roast duck (less greasy / fatty). I prefer to get take-away roast duck from Thong Kee (but can eat in. Its completely Chinese style).
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1164286]Tastes in food are obviously as diferent as tastes in women.
Zanzibar is over-priced IMO.
There's a nice little Thai restaurant at the other end of Cheap Charlie Soi ('It's just a tourist place', the cry goes out.). Most of the other restaurants aren't Thai, which pretty much rules them out for me (when in Thailand I eat Thai. That rule applies in most countries except Korea. So equally KoreaTown ruled out for me).
I wouldn't touch a hotel buffet with a fork on the end of a barge-pole, but I'm prejudiced. [/QUOTE]Zanzibar was totally shit, IMHO, although many will agree. There was nothing good about it. Get eaten by mosquitos while waiting a long time for unsatisfactory food, and pricey. Plenty of better places in the same Soi 11, like Rosabieng, limoncello, etc. Even the German Pub.
I would eat in a good hotel buffet when price and quality is right, but its important to find a good one. Not the Ambassador, for example. I used to enjoy one at Century Park Hotel in Pratuunam a few years back that was very reasonably priced. Its usually easier to just pick a good normal restaurant and avoid eating too much. Grand Millenium buffet was okay (perhaps a bit pricey).
2K sounds too high for a buffet to me. I would rather get a cheap bite and a sex session for same money. A work out at Mango is not fattening :D
I like Little Italy on corner Soi 23 for simple stuff. Their lamb cutlets are great. Unpretentious, basic, but good.
My favourite restaurant is Toaya Soi 33/1 (Japanese) very good value for money and super fresh suschi, which is difficult to find (closed Tuesdays).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1164915]2K sounds too high for a buffet to me. I would rather get a cheap bite and a sex session for same money. A work out at Mango is not fattening :D[/QUOTE]SGS Sunday brunch is well worth the 2. 5k and 4seasons buffet is also well worth the 3. 8k
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1164960]SGS Sunday brunch is well worth the 2. 5k and 4seasons buffet is also well worth the 3. 8k[/QUOTE]You're high as a camel, no food on earth is worth USD 133 or even 66!
At the risk of inflaming the debate further, can someone suggest a nice little local restaurant serving authentic Thai food where I can celebrate my birthday, and where a cheap Thai hooker, sorry, smart young Thai lady, would not feel out of place. I'm probably more concerned with the ambience rather than the quality of the food.
To avoid arguments: 1000Bht / head is the most I am paying; and yes I know I am a cheap Charlie and 1000 bht will buy nothing, and yes I know it's impossible to get authentic Thai food within Bangkok city limits, and yes I know the staff will sneer at me for bringing a hooker out to dinner...
But if you have any suggestions, all gratefully received.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1164984]At the risk of inflaming the debate further, can someone suggest a nice little local restaurant serving authentic Thai food where I can celebrate my birthday, and where a cheap Thai hooker, sorry, smart young Thai lady, would not feel out of place. I'm probably more concerned with the ambience rather than the quality of the food. - To avoid arguments: 1000Bht / head is the most I am paying; and yes I know I am a cheap Charlie and 1000 bht will buy nothing, and yes I know it's impossible to get authentic Thai food within Bangkok city limits, and yes I know the staff will sneer at me for bringing a hooker out to dinner...But if you have any suggestions, all gratefully received.[/QUOTE]Naj on Silom Soi Convent (just past BNH Hospital) has very nice ambiance and good food. You can easily dine there for 2000 baht (for two).
[url]http://www.najcuisine.com/webnaj/home.html[/url]
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1164965]You're high as a camel, no food on earth is worth USD 133 or even 66![/QUOTE]The purpose of absurdly high dining prices is to insulate the hoi-polloi from the riff-raff, to mark the consumer as a member of the hoi-polloi, and, of course, to pay for the restaurant owners many wives.
It's about who has the most money to waste frivolously rather than any low class considerations like value, etc.
Something like "Look at me, I'm so rich I can afford to pay $100.00 for a $10.00 meal, which makes me SO MUCH BETTER than you! Look how nice this table cloth is!".
[QUOTE=Naughty;1164997]The purpose of absurdly high dining prices is to insulate the hoi-polloi from the riff-raff, to mark the consumer as a member of the hoi-polloi, and, of course, to pay for the restaurant owners many wives. - It's about who has the most money to waste frivolously rather than any low class considerations like value, etc. - Something like "Look at me, I'm so rich I can afford to pay $100.00 for a $10.00 meal, which makes me SO MUCH BETTER than you! Look how nice this table cloth is!".[/QUOTE]For many, enjoying a superbly prepared meal is more about enjoyment than appearances. Understandably, fine dining in hotels and restaurants is not for everyone. It is somewhat akin to the appreciation and consumption of luxury cars, fine watches and jewelry, tailored clothes, and well-dressed, beautiful women with class. Some people like, and can afford, these things.
I wouldn't expect the subgroup of men on this ISG board who often quibble over a few hundred baht when paying a hooker to have much interest in these costly pursuits. Not an issue really.
I say, to each their own, as it is only money. That is why we live in a world with many, many choices.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras[/url]
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1165016]For many, enjoying a superbly prepared meal is more about enjoyment than appearances. Understandably, fine dining in hotels and restaurants is not for everyone. It is somewhat akin to the appreciation and consumption of luxury cars, fine watches and jewelry, tailored clothes, and well-dressed, beautiful women with class. Some people like, and can afford, these things.
I wouldn't expect the subgroup of men on this ISG board who often quibble over a few hundred baht when paying a hooker to have much interest in these costly pursuits. Not an issue really.
I say, to each their own, as it is only money. That is why we live in a world with many, many choices.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras[/url][/QUOTE]Well said.
I believe there might be a valid argument against luxury watches and autos et. al. (though I love both and am VERY guilty of excesses) as they perform a basic function. BUT food, while serving its main function as nutrition MUST taste good, unless one is destitute. So, if one can not taste a difference in fine cuisine then so be it as its then money wasted but no one should knock those of us with more refined tastes and the money to enjoy them...
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1165016]I wouldn't expect the subgroup of men on this ISG board who often quibble over a few hundred baht when paying a hooker to have much interest in these costly pursuits. Not an issue really.
I say, to each their own, as it is only money. That is why we live in a world with many, many choices.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras[/url][/QUOTE]Absolutely.
It's not about Bragging or anything like that. Why can't some people accept that some of us like to drink champagne or above average wine, while eating "Foie-gras", caviar, cheeses, expensive seafood and the likes?
I just came back from a French restaurant that serves an amazing Beef Cheek, how often can you eat that? And it was cooked to perfection. Cost? 1, 200 thb. But worth all the money.
Some people don't understand that it's all about the produce. Grain Fed Chicken, Real OZ Beef will beat Local Birds or Bufalo any day.
So if you're not ok with some people eating good food from time to time, then go eat your som-tam on soi 4.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1164992]Naj on Silom Soi Convent (just past BNH Hospital) has very nice ambiance and good food. You can easily dine there for 2000 baht (for two).
[url]http://www.najcuisine.com/webnaj/home.html[/url][/QUOTE]Many thanks, Fon Tok. The only facts in a whole series of opinion posts.
But surely there is more than one good Thai restaurant in Bangkok? :)
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1164984]At the risk of inflaming the debate further, can someone suggest a nice little local restaurant serving authentic Thai food where I can celebrate my birthday, and where a cheap Thai hooker, sorry, smart young Thai lady, would not feel out of place. I'm probably more concerned with the ambience rather than the quality of the food.
To avoid arguments: 1000Bht / head is the most I am paying; and yes I know I am a cheap Charlie and 1000 bht will buy nothing, and yes I know it's impossible to get authentic Thai food within Bangkok city limits, and yes I know the staff will sneer at me for bringing a hooker out to dinner.
But if you have any suggestions, all gratefully received.[/QUOTE]The "White Elephant" Thai Restaurant on the 2nd floor inside the beautiful JW Marriott hotel?
Tom Yam Goong 260 Baht. They also offer a buffet & many other dishes, reasonably priced.
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1165050]Many thanks, Fon Tok. The only facts in a whole series of opinion posts.
But surely there is more than one good Thai restaurant in Bangkok? . [/QUOTE]I was taken to The Same Old Place on Soi 22 a few years back. Truly delicious. Have returned many times but they are only open about half the time I drop by. Well under your budget too. Try the crab cakes.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1165050]Many thanks, Fon Tok. The only facts in a whole series of opinion posts. But surely there is more than one good Thai restaurant in Bangkok? :)[/QUOTE]The ones I like to go to are low on ambiance and high on taste.
Talay Lek (Little Seafood) at the Chong Nonsi BTS Station.
Sabaijai in Ekamai Soi 59 for Isaan BBQ and fish.
An Isaan fish place on Narathiawat Road, closest to the intersection of Narathiawat Soi 24.
Derby King in Patpong.
MBK 6th Floor Food Court.
On Silom, the old man selling noodle soup close to Patpong 1.
Isaan BBQ place (only open for lunch (M-Sat) on Silom Soi Phiphat 1.
All of these places have very good food, cheap prices, and little or no ambiance.
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1164984]At the risk of inflaming the debate further, can someone suggest a nice little local restaurant serving authentic Thai food where I can celebrate my birthday, and where a cheap Thai hooker, sorry, smart young Thai lady, would not feel out of place. I'm probably more concerned with the ambience rather than the quality of the food.
To avoid arguments: 1000Bht / head is the most I am paying; and yes I know I am a cheap Charlie and 1000 bht will buy nothing, and yes I know it's impossible to get authentic Thai food within Bangkok city limits, and yes I know the staff will sneer at me for bringing a hooker out to dinner.
But if you have any suggestions, all gratefully received. [/QUOTE]Mouse I think makes a very good point, at least indirectly. You don't want to dine expensively unless the girl is at a level that will really appreciate it.
No point in taking to a poor working girl to a lavish reastaurant where she will hate you for wasting so much money that she could have used far better (in her view). I took a girl from a very poor background to a French restaurant and she was upset and astonished by the bill, even though I was paying. We could have eaten well in Japanese, Italian, Thai for far less and bought her some useful present instead like a camera, phone etc.
One day we entered the "Shark Fin" style restaurant near Asoke Fx by accident and walked straight out again when confronted by astonishing prices.
Playing posh does not impress girls that normally have to be frugal. It just helps train them that being really wasteful is okay.
If you want to take your Hi So girl to eat expensively, or just with your buddies, that is a better idea.
[QUOTE=Naughty; 1164997]The purpose of absurdly high dining prices is to insulate the hoi-polloi from the riff-raff, to mark the consumer as a member of the hoi-polloi, and, of course, to pay for the restaurant owners many wives.
It's about who has the most money to waste frivolously rather than any low class considerations like value, etc.
Something like "Look at me, I'm so rich I can afford to pay $100. 00 for a $10. 00 meal, which makes me SO MUCH BETTER than you! Look how nice this table cloth is!". [/QUOTE]I know all that, I've been invited to such dinners, had to go and even pay sometime.
Then when I broke free from bourgeois power-trips, I swore to myself. Never anymore.
Yesterday night here in Phuket we stopped our bikes 20 mt before a Police roadblock, I was with two girls. Non of use wanted yet another ticket so I suggested to eat at a mom an pop place just in front of the cops. It took about 10 minutes for them to prepare our dishes, everything was fresh made. It was delicious, one of best the Thai meals I ever ate. Paid 100 Baht each. But you, know, it's *so* expensive here. HAHAHAHAH
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1165247]Mouse I think makes a very good point, at least indirectly. You don't want to dine expensively unless the girl is at a level that will really appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Not all of us dine with hookers. Sometimes we like to go out between friends and have a nice bottle of wine and superior food (Maine Lobster, USA scallops, Foie Gras). Why is it people always assume that because you are in Thailand and you go for expensive food you have to be crazy and a Hi-so deluded guy or the sort?
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1165182]The ones I like to go to are low on ambiance and high on taste.
Talay Lek (Little Seafood) at the Chong Nonsi BTS Station.
Sabaijai in Ekamai Soi 59 for Isaan BBQ and fish.
An Isaan fish place on Narathiawat Road, closest to the intersection of Narathiawat Soi 24.
Derby King in Patpong.
MBK 6th Floor Food Court.
On Silom, the old man selling noodle soup close to Patpong 1.
Isaan BBQ place (only open for lunch (M-Sat) on Silom Soi Phiphat 1.
All of these places have very good food, cheap prices, and little or no ambiance. [/QUOTE]Many thanks again. To be honest, when I said 'ambiance' I probably meant down-to-earth and unpretentious, so these all look pretty good to me (although I'm not going out for dinner in MBK!)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1165295]Not all of us dine with hookers. Sometimes we like to go out between friends and have a nice bottle of wine and superior food (Maine Lobster, USA scallops, Foie Gras). Why is it people always assume that because you are in Thailand and you go for expensive food you have to be crazy and a Hi-so deluded guy or the sort?[/QUOTE]Because a lot of the time... er, never mind...!
I guess if you live here then dining out expensively on Western food is something to look forward to. I do it back home often enough, and I'm also lucky enough to be treated to some excellent food overseas. But when I'm in Thailand I eat Thai food, and that doesn't need to be expensive to be good. And when I'm in Thailand I spend my time with Thai hookers. :)
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1165327]Because a lot of the time. Er, never mind!
I guess if you live here then dining out expensively on Western food is something to look forward to. I do it back home often enough, and I'm also lucky enough to be treated to some excellent food overseas. But when I'm in Thailand I eat Thai food, and that doesn't need to be expensive to be good. And when I'm in Thailand I spend my time with Thai hookers. . [/QUOTE]Well, I eat Thai food Everyday so it's not that "exotic" anymore for me, I have had about 3, 000 thai meals already so sometimes a bit of Western food does not hurt. And from time to time, a bit of higher rated food does not hurt either.
There is a restaurant soi 19, called LE BEAULIEU, the food there is exceptional. The Chef is great and all the produce are Fresh and imported. Meals there (for 2) with wine easily reach 10k. But these restaurants I do not frequent with hookers (Hell, I don't dine with hookers in Public, I am a little too "Thai" minded in that regard).
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1165334]There is a restaurant soi 19, called LE BEAULIEU, the food there is exceptional. The Chef is great and all the produce are Fresh and imported. Meals there (for 2) with wine easily reach 10k. But these restaurants I do not frequent with hookers (Hell, I don't dine with hookers in Public, I am a little too "Thai" minded in that regard).[/QUOTE]I've been there, with a beautiful young girl that you can or can not call an hooker. I think I wrote about it months ago. I wanted to see if she could surprise me by appreciating cheese, well she did not. The selection was good enough, on the other hand where's the problem when airplanes fly fresh food everyday and you pay an exorbitant price?
If one really wants to impress me, give me Uruguayan steak or Venezuelan parrilla (rodizo).
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1165351]If one really wants to impress me, give me Uruguayan steak or Venezuelan parrilla (rodizo).[/QUOTE]Out of South american steaks, I still favor Argentinean Steaks. But my fav has to be WAGYU from Kobe.
Expensive, yes, but no need for Knives on this meat. A pure delight.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1165373]Out of South american steaks, I still favor Argentinean Steaks. But my fav has to be WAGYU from Kobe.
Expensive, yes, but no need for Knives on this meat. A pure delight. [/QUOTE]I'm still formally an Argentinean resident. In Buenos Aires, at my favorite restaurant "La Brigada", the very best bife is imported from Uruguay, proudly cut with a spoon in from of you. Regular (excellent), beef can be had anywhere.
I know the Kobe beef is great, but I think the absolute best is "Fiorentina" from Tuscany. Try to believe.
[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1165383]I know the Kobe beef is great, but I think the absolute best is "Fiorentina" from Tuscany. Try to believe.[/QUOTE]Interesting, Never heard of had this Fiorentina. I'll be sure to try it.
Thanks
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1165407]Interesting, Never heard of had this Fiorentina. I'll be sure to try it.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Fiorentina is a sort of T-bone steak, but huge, real huge. Got to be real hungry to eat it all.
And you need a good knife to approach it. Not because you ate challenged by non tenderness, but as you have to carve around the bone.
Usually half expensive as a Kobe.
None is competing the other, anyone. Each top in its own class.
Has anyone experience with this lthai languagel earning method for Ipod?
LP
A couple of questions.
Thinking of Bangkok & Pattaya, any point in heading to Samui or Phuket etc? Or even Hau Hin?
What am I looking to pay for a barfine + long time.
Also, whats this whole coyote dancing thing, are the girls not working girls that I can barfine or pay to take back to my hotel?
Any hotels recomendations would be great, I want something about 1000-1500 baht per night with FREE in-room WIFI!
[QUOTE=FreakFunk; 1165440]A couple of questions.
Thinking of Bangkok & Pattaya, any point in heading to Samui or Phuket etc? Or even Hau Hin?
What am I looking to pay for a barfine + long time.
Also, whats this whole coyote dancing thing, are the girls not working girls that I can barfine or pay to take back to my hotel?
Any hotels recommendations would be great, I want something about 1000-1500 baht per night with FREE in-room WIFI! [/QUOTE]Can you please take the time to read not 100, not 10, but just 2 or 3 pages at random? All your questions will be answered.
And yes there is a big point in going to places like Phuket, because these are natural paradises with a totally different attitude. Patts liker will tell you otherwise, I respect everybody opinion.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1165295]Not all of us dine with hookers. Sometimes we like to go out between friends and have a nice bottle of wine and superior food (Maine Lobster, USA scallops, Foie Gras). Why is it people always assume that because you are in Thailand and you go for expensive food you have to be crazy and a Hi-so deluded guy or the sort?[/QUOTE]Well said. I really like Herve's place in Soi 19. There are many world class restaurants in Bangkok. You get what you pay for though.
Hi,
Can some one please guide me if Swaranbhoomi airport has a luggage storage facility?
Cheers!
In my wanderings looking for golf / polo shirts, all I seem to find are those that the street vendors in Pratunam and MBK stores have are much the same, very thin material, identical colors, large black embroidered horse on the left pocket area. Is there anyone store or vendor that sells better quality shirts?
Really struggling to book hotels here guys. Thinking 4 nights Bangkok 5 Pattaya? Any other suggestions? How easy is it not to go straight to Pattay from the new airport?
[QUOTE]Really struggling to book hotels here guys. Thinking 4 nights Bangkok 5 Pattaya? Any other suggestions? How easy is it not to go straight to Pattaya from the new airport?[/QUOTE]Can't imagine why there would be any trouble whatsoever booking a hotel in either city. Spend a few minutes reading the hotel threads and you'll quickly see the places favored by punters. As for how much time to spend in each city, as they say in Thailand "up to you." The consensus seems to be that Pattaya is a little cheaper and the better destination if your main focus is on the play-for-pay scene. Plus there is the beach. Bangkok is more costly, but there is more to do when you aren't being a naughty boy. As for ground transport from the airport to Pattaya that's easy. There is the Bell Bus Service. And a taxi will run about 1000 baht.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1167637]Can't imagine why there would be any trouble whatsoever booking a hotel in either city. Spend a few minutes reading the hotel threads and you'll quickly see the places favored by punters. As for how much time to spend in each city, as they say in Thailand "up to you." The consensus seems to be that Pattaya is a little cheaper and the better destination if your main focus is on the play-for-pay scene. Plus there is the beach. Bangkok is more costly, but there is more to do when you aren't being a naughty boy. As for ground transport from the airport to Pattaya that's easy. There is the Bell Bus Service. And a taxi will run about 1000 baht.
Bunky[/QUOTE]I'm thinking I might head straight to Pattaya then back to Bangkok for 4 nights on my way back. Rather that 2+4+2 days etc with Pattaya in the middle. I normally stay at the Woraburi sukhumvit but really want something similar but with free in-room wifi?
Is Nana hotel worth staying, mixed reviews but very handy. Also thought about Ibis sukhumvit. I think the ambassor is expensive for what it is
[QUOTE=Wandere; 1167457]Hi,
Can some one please guide me if Swaranbhoomi airport has a luggage storage facility?
Cheers! [/QUOTE]Yes Wandere, there is a luggage storage facility located at the Arrivals level.
I used it to store my golfclubs for 2 days in February this year. It was not expensive (around 200 baht / day).
They take a note of your passport details and you have to complete a form, giving details of the contents of your luggage.
Cheers, Hank.
[QUOTE=Hank Free; 1167679]Yes Wandere, there is a luggage storage facility located at the Arrivals level.
I used it to store my golfclubs for 2 days in February this year. It was not expensive (around 200 baht / day).
They take a note of your passport details and you have to complete a form, giving details of the contents of your luggage.
Cheers, Hank. [/QUOTE]There is also one at departure level, more or less straight from door #7.
Check carefully as not very easy to be seen.
Cost is 100 baht a that, asme procedure as said above.
No need to describe content, they have an x-ray machine.
They recommend not to put valuables, the saw my laptop, but I still left with them: I did not need it going to Annie's.
Maybe the Lacoste store? .
As I have been using the Airport Link when I have no check in baggage I thought I would try it with a suitcase a few times and see how things go.
I will call luggage pick up 0 mintues.
Luggage picked up at 0 mins.
5 mins I was down buying the express train ticket (90 baht one way or 150 baht for a return with 2 week validity)
To compare normally at 5 mins I would be out and getting into a tax.
Only issue I noticed is that you cannot use the trolleys into the train station area, not a problem as I would not be attempting this if I did not have a bag with wheels on it.
Seems stupid though and I think its to do with trolleys belong to the airport but the train belongs to the SRT hence no airport property can be taken into the train statiion domain.
Waited for express train to arrive 10 mins, then 5 mins before departure.
Normally at 15 mins I would be at the first toll station on the expressway in a taxi.
15 minutes later I arrive at Makassan station. (total compare time 30 mins)
30 minutes in a taxi and I would be getting snarled up in expressway traffic around the 2nd toll station.
Now comes the excercise, lift down and walk around to Phetchburi station. Ok for me but certainly not for anyone who isn't able to walk with their bag for 5 minutes.
Brought a token for the single stop to Sukhumvit. 15 baht.
In under 10 mintues I have arrived at Sukhumvit station and walked to my destination.
Total Time from collecting bag from the luggage belt = 50 minutes and cost of 105 baht.
Normally by taxi its 400 baht including tollway fees and 45 to 100 minutes depending on time of day / rush hour.
Upsides :
Train is a pleasant journey, you can stretch you legs, stand up, view a different side of Bangkok from the carraige which is high up above everything else, you can do whatever you want really and no mad taxi driver.
Train is near enough a fixed time, no traffic jams to worry about.
You can also take the express train to Phaya Thai station and connect with BTS at Phaya Thai. So depending on whether you want MRT or BTS then get the ticket to Makassan or Phaya Thai.
For the cheap charlie you can use the "City Line" which is 35 baht to Makassan but takes 30 minutes as it stops along the way at a few stations.
Downsides :
Do not take it if you have heavy luggage you cannot wheel around "Bangkok" terrain for 5 minutes or so.
The walk from Makassan station to MRT Phetchburi is not covered all the way, so do not try when raining.
You might be asked by the security guard at MRT entrance to open your suitcase. I have not but it could happen.
You must be polite and patient. As you are dragging a suitcase around its best to let everyone else get on to the escalators at MRT stations first then you follow up the rear when there is no rush of people.
Waiting time. If you miss the express then the "city line" is next after 15 minutes before another express comes 15 minutes after that, and so it follows, express then after 15 mins city line then after 15 mins express etc.
To do :
Not tried Phaya Thai express and connecting to BTS, will try then some time soon.
Makassan to MRT Phetchburi walkway, is supposed to be being built some time soon, the sooner the better.
Taking the train back to the airport with luggage, as I always leave early its easier to take a taxi back and that will probably be what I do now, use the airport link train when arriving into Bangkok and use a taxi back to the airport.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1164182]Nobody has really done details on the airport rail link so here goes.
One way trip Airport to Sukhumvit is 50 baht or 105 baht depending on whether you go Express or City Line.
City Line Airport to Makassan is 35 baht. Walk around from Makassan to Phetchburi MRT station (around 80 metres) and then one stop on MRT to Sukhumvit station and you have gone from Airport to Asoke BTS / Sukhumvit MRT for 50 baht and in around 45 minutes.
Excellent if you have to get to Sukhumvit in times of traffic jams where a taxi will cost 400 baht and take over 1 hour.
If you want to do it quicker there is the Express train, which costs 90 baht from Aiport to Makassan.
At the airport keep going down and the Airport train is on the lowest level. Right hand side is City Line train which takes 30 minutes from Airport to Makassan for 35 baht. On the left hand side is Express line which takes 15 minutes from Airport to Makassan for 90 baht.
Once you arrive at Makassan you can get a taxi, or if you do not mind a short walk then you can walk around to Phetchburi MRT station and from there go anywhere the MRT goes (which for Sukhumvit is one stop for 15 baht).
I always use the train if I have no luggage, as simply its quicker than taxi at most times of the day.
Coming back to the airport is just the reverse, either get the MRT to Phetchburi station and walk around to Makassan Airport Rail link station, or get a taxi to Makassan and get on the train from there. Fares are the same. 35 baht for City Link train and 90 baht for Express train.
If you are averse to walking a little, or do not like pulling you luggage around a bit, use a taxi from the airport. If you want to get into Sukhumvit quickly and avoid the traffic jams then use a combination of Express train and MRT and you can be in Sukhumvit Asoke from the airport in 30 to 45 mintues regardless of traffic.
The choice is yours. 50 baht for the total trip on the City Line / MRT or 105 baht on the Express Line / MRT.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1167890]As I have been using the Airport Link when I have no check in baggage I thought I would try it with a suitcase a few times and see how things go.
I will call luggage pick up 0 mintues.
Luggage picked up at 0 mins.
5 mins I was down buying the express train ticket (90 baht one way or 150 baht for a return with 2 week validity)
To compare normally at 5 mins I would be out and getting into a tax.
Only issue I noticed is that you cannot use the trolleys into the train station area, not a problem as I would not be attempting this if I did not have a bag with wheels on it.
Seems stupid though and I think its to do with trolleys belong to the airport but the train belongs to the SRT hence no airport property can be taken into the train statiion domain.
Waited for express train to arrive 10 mins, then 5 mins before departure.
Normally at 15 mins I would be at the first toll station on the expressway in a taxi.
15 minutes later I arrive at Makassan station. (total compare time 30 mins)
30 minutes in a taxi and I would be getting snarled up in expressway traffic around the 2nd toll station.
Now comes the excercise, lift down and walk around to Phetchburi station. Ok for me but certainly not for anyone who isn't able to walk with their bag for 5 minutes.
Brought a token for the single stop to Sukhumvit. 15 baht.
In under 10 mintues I have arrived at Sukhumvit station and walked to my destination.
Total Time from collecting bag from the luggage belt = 50 minutes and cost of 105 baht.
Normally by taxi its 400 baht including tollway fees and 45 to 100 minutes depending on time of day / rush hour.
Upsides :
Train is a pleasant journey, you can stretch you legs, stand up, view a different side of Bangkok from the carraige which is high up above everything else, you can do whatever you want really and no mad taxi driver.
Train is near enough a fixed time, no traffic jams to worry about.
You can also take the express train to Phaya Thai station and connect with BTS at Phaya Thai. So depending on whether you want MRT or BTS then get the ticket to Makassan or Phaya Thai.
For the cheap charlie you can use the "City Line" which is 35 baht to Makassan but takes 30 minutes as it stops along the way at a few stations.
Downsides :
Do not take it if you have heavy luggage you cannot wheel around "Bangkok" terrain for 5 minutes or so.
The walk from Makassan station to MRT Phetchburi is not covered all the way, so do not try when raining.
You might be asked by the security guard at MRT entrance to open your suitcase. I have not but it could happen.
You must be polite and patient. As you are dragging a suitcase around its best to let everyone else get on to the escalators at MRT stations first then you follow up the rear when there is no rush of people.
Waiting time. If you miss the express then the "city line" is next after 15 minutes before another express comes 15 minutes after that, and so it follows, express then after 15 mins city line then after 15 mins express etc.
To do :
Not tried Phaya Thai express and connecting to BTS, will try then some time soon.
Makassan to MRT Phetchburi walkway, is supposed to be being built some time soon, the sooner the better.
Taking the train back to the airport with luggage, as I always leave early its easier to take a taxi back and that will probably be what I do now, use the airport link train when arriving into Bangkok and use a taxi back to the airport. [/QUOTE]Just wanted to add I disagree with any first timer going to Bangkok to use the train system. There is nothing like making your way into the city in a Bangkok taxi, music, smog, thai driver going mental.
You really get a feel for the city in a personal way which you don't get travelling by train / skytrain which is mostly buisness people. You also run the risk of getting hassled walking down the street looking for your hotel. Sure you can tell them to go away but its a right pain.
Taxi all the way I reckon. Although the train back might be a good idea
Good news for those who do Bangkok-London-Bangkok on Thai.
[url]http://www.planetalkinglive.com/2011/06/20/thai-airways-upgrades-cabins-on-boeing-747-400-aircraft/?[/url]
Is it my system or did the forum format change?
I am seeing two columns with the text squeezed into a left hand column.
Makes reading hard as long text and quotes go on forever down the page in a thin column.
Slim
[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1168518]Is it my system or did the forum format change?
I am seeing two columns with the text squeezed into a left hand column.
Makes reading hard as long text and quotes go on forever down the page in a thin column.
Slim[/QUOTE]I think it is you.
My vision is ok
The only unusual things I see is.
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Maybe a teething problemwe should actually discuss about this in here.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?314-Proposed-Site-Improvements[/url]
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1168467]Good news for those who do Bangkok-London-Bangkok on Thai.
[url]http://www.planetalkinglive.com/2011/06/20/thai-airways-upgrades-cabins-on-boeing-747-400-aircraft/?[/url][/QUOTE]A much needed refresheneing of the interiors and part of a major upgrade of TG fleetthey just announced substantial fresh orders for 37 aircrafts (six Boeing 777-300ERs, with delivery in 2014 and 2015, four Airbus A350-900s for delivery in 2016 and 2017 and five Airbus A320-200s for delivery in 2014 and 2015)
It plans to lease six 787-8s to be delivered in 2014 and 2015 and two 787-9s for delivery in 2017 from International Lease Finance with rental terms of 12 years.
It would also obtain, for delivery in 2016 and 2017, six A350-900s from Aviation Lease and Finance and two from CIT Aerospace International with rental terms of 12 years.
An additional six A320-200s, with a 12-year term of rental, would be leased from RBS Aerospace for delivery in 2012 and 2013)
2012 will see the introduction of A380 to the schedule.
On this web page you have a link to a video showing the future seats of 380 Thai airplanes.
[url]http://www.prthaiairways.com/thaiair_4p/front/home.php[/url]
1. Predictions?
2. And what is the probability of more unrest after the elections?
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1170820]2. And what is the probability of more unrest after the elections?[/QUOTE]I hope none! The country has already had enough "unrest" (nice terminology to describe riots.) having disturbed the tourist, an important income for the country.
Long live to the King. .
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1170820]1. Predictions?
2. And what is the probability of more unrest after the elections? [/QUOTE]Natty Bumpo,
1) 280/500 seats in parliament for PT (Thaksins Party). The government coalition will lose big time.
2) What we have seen up to now was just the foreplay. The real problems are right now starting. Nevertheless, it is necessary for Thailand to get through this step of development to democracy.
Giotto.
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
[QUOTE=Giotto;1170914]The real problems are right now starting.[/QUOTE]Giotto, can you explain further what you mean by this?
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1171006]Giotto, can you explain further what you mean by this?[/QUOTE]Chill Out,
Complex issue, but in short:
As everybody might know we have a serious rift in the Thai society since approx. 2005 (the roots of the conflict reach back much longer, read about the 1973, 1976 and 1992 unrests in Thailand). Simplified there are 2 major groups, the red shirt movement supporting the ex-PM Thaksin with his PT party on one side, and the old establishment / old elite on the other side (represented by the ruling coalition). The red side has won the last 3 elections (2001, 2005, 2007) but was stripped off the power two times afterwards with highly questionable means (one coup, another time through buying MPs and coalition partners for the DP, which is basically the party representing the old elites interests). The actual demographic structure of the Thai population and the unjustly distribution of Thailands wealth between the rich and the poor makes it highly likely that the PT will be the strongest political party in the future.
The old elites have tried with all thinkable (and sometimes highly questionable) means to "modify" the voting behavior of the Thais. Without any success. Again and again the red side wins elections.
Right now hundreds of thousands of websites are blocked here in Thailand, &112 penal code (lčse-majesté law) is used to neutralize political opponents, critical webmasters / writers and even scientists (the latest development). People might believe that Thailand is a democracy with everybody being equal before the law. But that's only the disguise Thailands real power want us to see. In reality there are lots of double standards here in the country, and the real power is held from groups in the background (the old rich families, people from the privy council, the army etc.). The rich become richer, and the poor poorer.
Thaksin and his party was given the chance to rule for four years (2001. 2005) , and this first term was extremely successful. He was reelected with an overwhelming majority even in Bangkok but had then nothing faster to do than to completely mess things up, bringing up corruption to before unknown levels of perfection. Still, he never forgot his voter base from the north / north-east where he remains highly popular. When he reached out to completely take over the power in Thailand (replacing certain army generals with trusted companions) the coup was staged, and he was removed from power. Though there was not much criticism directly after the coup (the Thai people like to live in harmony, and appreciated the series of events / demonstrations in 2006 to end) the people started to understand what had happened in the following months and years: a democratically elected government had been removed from power using the means of the past (18 coups in Thailand since 1932). The awareness of what has happened is much higher now than ever before and the red movement does quite a good job in teaching their supporters about the Thai history and the misuse of democracy of the past.
Coming to the point: There will be a landslide victory for the reds in the upcoming elections. The old elite has shown in the past that they are not willing to give up the power. The first longer red government ended up in chaos. The coup was a complete failure in the attempt to change the minds of the voters. The policies of the current government also did not convince the people to support the establishment.
Question: What else can the old elite do to stay in power?
This question already creates uncertainty on the capital markets. The outflow of capital from Thailand has started. The THB is falling, growth rate is falling, exports are falling. I expect this trend to strengthen, the old elite will move money out of Thailand, will not reinvest, the only remaining strategy to fight the red movement for the old elite is to hold back any support for the government, to make them fail on their promises of their populist policies, to cap growth, tax income, create unemployment, pressure on wages etc. Etc. . Foreign investors will not jump in under this circumstances, China is close and is also attracting investments.
On the political stage all legal means will be used to remove the red government from power. There is a possible legal case (wrong statements in court) against Yingluck (PM candidate PT and sister from Thailand) , which might be used to take her out. Jatuporn (a great PT agitator) was neutralized already (sitting in a prison he cannot vote, and if he does not vote in the election he is not allowed to be elected, so he will not be able to take on his mandate). We will see lots of more cases like this. Then there is fear in the administration that a red government might take revenge for what was done to them in the past (91 people shot during the demonstrations last year etc. Etc.). A discussion about a possible amnesty for politicians banned in the past started already, but heat will come up once an amnesty for Thaksin will be discussed.
To sum it up: The reds will win the elections in a landslide. They red government will afterwards be involved in endless defensive actions initiated by the old elite. Falling tax income and growth will cause problems in fulfilling the high expectations of the voters. Unemployment will rise, and the support for the yellow shirts will grow again. The social rift in the society will get bigger, the poor will get poorer and lose their faith in the only movement that has ever tried to support them. Mass demonstrations will follow and finally open the door for the next political or military coup.
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
I just asked myself why the stock market moved up strongly today.
The reason:
[URL]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/MF30Ae01.html[/URL]
The described scenario is possible. Crispin is usually well informed (but also spreads rumors sometimes). In case that the meeting has really taken place and all parties will keep their word, then my expectations below will not materialize. After a period of "reconciliation" all Thais will live together happily for the next thousands of years, and the Thai economy will blossom!
And I will believe it when I see it happening. Not before.
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
Nice analysis, thanks Giotto.
Anyone know of any good [free] online dating sites to meet thai women before I head over to Pattaya for 6 weeks in 5 weeks?
I recently had the pleasure of using VR Taxi service from Pattaya to the BKK Airport, and later from the Airport to Pattaya, as recommended by several previous posters here.
[url]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/url]
I was picked up at my condo at 4:30 am in a late model comfortable air conditioned car. The driver arrived early and called to alert me just beforehand. The cost was 900 baht, tip: 100, which included all tolls, and I arrived at the airport in plenty of time to catch my flight to the US.
On my return to BKK, another driver was waiting for me just outside customs holding a sign with my name on it. Again, the car was late model, comfortable and air conditioned. The cost was 1000 baht to Pattaya, and I tipped 100 baht.
I highly recommend VR Taxi.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1171371]I recently had the pleasure of using VR Taxi service from Pattaya to the BKK Airport, and later from the Airport to Pattaya, as recommended by several previous posters here.
[url]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/url]
I was picked up at my condo at 4:30 am in a late model comfortable air conditioned car. The driver arrived early and called to alert me just beforehand. The cost was 900 baht, tip: 100, which included all tolls, and I arrived at the airport in plenty of time to catch my flight to the US.
On my return to BKK, another driver was waiting for me just outside customs holding a sign with my name on it. Again, the car was late model, comfortable and air conditioned. The cost was 1000 baht to Pattaya, and I tipped 100 baht.
I highly recommend VR Taxi. [/QUOTE]Daddy07,
Only a old Daddy like you would get this type of service?
BM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1171372]Daddy07,
Only a old Daddy like you would get this type of service?
BM[/QUOTE]Or maybe even a young whipper snapper like you. :)
Wild Country has closed for good.I will miss the days of getting a blowjob in the back storeroom while sitting on a box of Heineken.
I am wondering if anyone has any experience with Rosetta Stone language software? They only offer level 1 and reviews are mixed. I prefer software to use with my computer if it is any good. A class in Thailand would probably be best, but are they offered for visitors in Pattaya? I am from the US and hope to be there later in the year or just after the first of the year and stay for two months minimum. I would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1171592]I am wondering if anyone has any experience with Rosetta Stone language software? They only offer level 1 and reviews are mixed. I prefer software to use with my computer if it is any good. A class in Thailand would probably be best, but are they offered for visitors in Pattaya? I am from the US and hope to be there later in the year or just after the first of the year and stay for two months minimum. I would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks[/QUOTE]Some people can learn a new language as easily as it is to go to the 7-11 store and pick up a carton of milk. Others (like me) struggle with it. I've tried Rosetta Stone (expensive and eBay always removes used Rosetta Stone for-sale so you'll be stuck with it since re-selling violates a licensing agreement) , Pimsleur, and a couple of other language courses. I kept falling asleep using the Rosetta Stone. The Pimsleur was the probably the best, but it still has its limits. Thai is a very hard language to master and if you're not constantly practicing it, you forget it fast.
For me, I learned certain basic phrases in Thai (for example, Do you know how to speak English?) from Pimsleur. If you know a few words and phrases in Thai (plus their customs) , the Thais seem to give you a bit more respect as a foreigner. That being said, if you go to any major city and you don't know any Thai, you can still get by without any problem.
If you're going to be there for 2 month, I'd download a Thai phrasebook application to your iPod and practice until your departure and wait until you get to Thailand to take classes (unless you can find classes in your hometown).
[QUOTE=Yujin; 1171599]Some people can learn a new language as easily as it is to go to the 7-11 store and pick up a carton of milk. Others (like me) struggle with it. I've tried Rosetta Stone (expensive and eBay always removes used Rosetta Stone for-sale so you'll be stuck with it since re-selling violates a licensing agreement) , Pimsleur, and a couple of other language courses. I kept falling asleep using the Rosetta Stone. The Pimsleur was the probably the best, but it still has its limits. Thai is a very hard language to master and if you're not constantly practicing it, you forget it fast.
For me, I learned certain basic phrases in Thai (for example, Do you know how to speak English?) from Pimsleur. If you know a few words and phrases in Thai (plus their customs) , the Thais seem to give you a bit more respect as a foreigner. That being said, if you go to any major city and you don't know any Thai, you can still get by without any problem.
If you're going to be there for 2 month, I'd download a Thai phrasebook application to your iPod and practice until your departure and wait until you get to Thailand to take classes (unless you can find classes in your hometown).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. I was in Thailand recently and did fine with no Thai language ability. However, it would have been better to know some of the language. The next trip will be for a longer stay, so some language ability would be helpful. I'll check into Pimsleur. Thanks
Since this is a sex guide site, Thai sexual words / phrases might be of interest to some readers:
[url]http://thai-language.com/id/589875[/url]
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1171592]I am wondering if anyone has any experience with Rosetta Stone language software? They only offer level 1 and reviews are mixed. I prefer software to use with my computer if it is any good. A class in Thailand would probably be best, but are they offered for visitors in Pattaya? I am from the US and hope to be there later in the year or just after the first of the year and stay for two months minimum. I would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks[/QUOTE]Have you tried Thaipod101. Com?
[QUOTE=Pita123;1171639]Have you tried Thaipod101. Com?[/QUOTE]No, just learned of it now. I'll give it a try. Thanks
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1171592]I am wondering if anyone has any experience with Rosetta Stone language software? They only offer level 1 and reviews are mixed. I prefer software to use with my computer if it is any good. A class in Thailand would probably be best, but are they offered for visitors in Pattaya? I am from the US and hope to be there later in the year or just after the first of the year and stay for two months minimum. I would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks[/QUOTE]It's fine if you want to learn how to speak to diplomats and perhaps the king, but useless for speaking to the natives.
This is the headline from an interesting WSJ report. [url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304569504576403550032244010.html?mod=WSJ_hps_editorsPicks_2[/url]
Chuvit Kamolvisit, to quote from the report: "rose to fame by accusing police of extracting hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes from his sex empire and then failing to protect him in a land dispute. Using skills learned at business school in San Diego, Calif, Mr. Chuvit was one of the biggest in the business, which the World Health Organization has estimated could include as many as 200, 000 sex workers in Thailand. He built up a chain of cavernous emporiums with names like "The Sea of Love" and "Copacabana," where scores of women wearing little but bikinis and numbers on plastic tags waited behind glass walls for customers." Guess we all know about that, LOL.
"We need a strong opposition here to make the executive side stronger," Mr. Chuvit says during a campaign stop in Bangkok's notorious Patpong red-light district, where he is viewed as something of an improbable folk hero."That's why Thailand needs me. No other politician wants to ask questions because they want to get into power. Corruption is a big, big problem in Thailand."
No kidding, Mr. Chuvit. Anyway I thought you guys might enjoy reading this article. Elections tomorrow. The results should be interesting.
[url]http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/06/29/red_shirts_and_rowdy_royals[/url]
This writer is well known for his coverage of Thai politics. I found this article to be a good introduction to the topic. Perhaps not as detailed or current as the Asia Times story cited by Mr. Giotto, but for those of us who are trying to master the basics this is excellent.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1172173]. He built up a chain of cavernous emporiums with names like "The Sea of Love" and "Copacabana," where scores of women wearing little but bikinis and numbers on plastic tags waited behind glass walls for customers." Guess we all know about that, LOL.[/QUOTE]What is this all about? Emporiums with women in bikinis? And we do not know anything about it?
Come on guys. Where are the reports? Any address? LOL
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1172260][url]http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/06/29/red_shirts_and_rowdy_royals[/url]
This writer is well known for his coverage of Thai politics. I found this article to be a good introduction to the topic. Perhaps not as detailed or current as the Asia Times story cited by Mr. Giotto, but for those of us who are trying to master the basics this is excellent.
Bunky[/QUOTE]The election is a bit of joke really. The "FlemJemPie" party are cheating like nobodies business. They have their associates printing the ballot forms and are said to have had quite a few million (tens of millions) printed as "spares just in case they run short".
Which means all those spares are all being ticked "FlemJemPie" and a certain Mr JizzChob is getting his cohorts to insert to make sure he wins plenty of seats for his party. The army and election commission are overlooking this because he is only doing it in "Poor Thai" party area's so as to keep their seats down and allow JizzChob to join with Adashit of the UnDemocrats to make the new government.
Vote buying. The watchdogs should be watching for Jizzchob and what he is up to.
Yingluck Shinawatra has unofficially won the Thai election with a land slide victory. Reportedly she has won 313 seats out of a total of 465.
'An exit poll by Bangkok's Suan Dusit University, considered the most historically reliable, showed Puea Thai winning 313 seats with Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's Democrat Party taking just 152'
Just maybe this landslide victory will keep the Yellow Shirt riots to minimum?
However making statements like "Mr Thaksin called me to congratulate me and encourage me," Yingluck said of her brother, a billionaire ousted in a 2006 coup who now lives in Dubai to avoid jail for graft charges he says were politically motivated. ' "He told me that there is still much hard work ahead of us," she told reporters.
Before she's even official declared the winner; this might just spark another military coup is short time.
Thailand may or may not go even further down depending on how fast they try to return Mr. Thaksin to Thailand and full power, as opposed to the power he expresses by email and phone and TV interviews. His sister has offered a pardon to all political criminals.
Prediction, air fares to Thailand may be a bargain later this month.
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1172260][url]http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/06/29/red_shirts_and_rowdy_royals[/url]
This writer is well known for his coverage of Thai politics. I found this article to be a good introduction to the topic. Perhaps not as detailed or current as the Asia Times story cited by Mr. Giotto, but for those of us who are trying to master the basics this is excellent.
Bunky[/QUOTE]Nah. They won't vote for her. Its just a short term fad said advisers. Oops how wrong they were.
Sunday July 3, 2011. Thaksin party wins Thai election by a landslide. Exit polls Thailand's opposition swept to power in a surprise election landslide on Sunday, led by the sister of former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra in a victory for the rural and urban poor.
The above is probably correct. Old power-old money were just unwilling to 'move with the times'. I can't see how they would deal with an outright majority. Going to be interesting. Short term, streets should be very very happy. And noisy.
Gentlemen kiss it goodbye, the killjoys are back in power. Our brief respite under the return of the good old Ancien Régime is over, and we return to barbarous democracy (which we all know from our own homelands is not compatible with any kind of fun, least of all our kind).
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1172363]The election is a bit of joke really. The "FlemJemPie" party are cheating like nobodies business. They have their associates printing the ballot forms and are said to have had quite a few million (tens of millions) printed as "spares just in case they run short".
Which means all those spares are all being ticked "FlemJemPie" and a certain Mr JizzChob is getting his cohorts to insert to make sure he wins plenty of seats for his party. The army and election commission are overlooking this because he is only doing it in "Poor Thai" party area's so as to keep their seats down and allow JizzChob to join with Adashit of the UnDemocrats to make the new government.
Vote buying. The watchdogs should be watching for Jizzchob and what he is up to.[/QUOTE]Notice how exit polls suggested that Bumjaithai would get only 10 seats and yet wonder of wonders they managed to get over 30.
Rig a Rig a Rig. Said someone.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1172546]Notice how exit polls suggested that Bumjaithai would get only 10 seats and yet wonder of wonders they managed to get over 30.
Rig a Rig a Rig. Said someone.[/QUOTE]LOL,
Another "Friend of Newin". I love him, too.
The results:
PT: 263 seats.
DP: 162 seats.
BJT: 34 seats (that's Newin's party)
CP: 19 seats
Voters turnout: 65. 99. Lower than 2007, that's strange. Rumours coming up, that the turnout in some PT / red strongholds was very low. I don't believe that.
1. 7 Mio. Bad ballots (5. 17 %). That's strange.
Looks like there was an attempt of the establishment to manipulate a bit. But due to the landslide victory of the PT their options were limited.
Good news: After "owning" the ministry of interior for years Newin is losing it now. :):):)
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
Now that the poll results are out and as predicted Thaksin allies are back in power, would like to know from people who know and follow the scene closely the implications one can expect on the
- mongering scene.
- go go bars functioning.
Thai economy is largely dependent on tourism so what do you guys feel the policies of the newly elected government would be towards what effects us on the forum most?
I don't understand the general anti-Thaksin sentiment in this forum. It seems he did a pretty good job all things considered when he was in power. Yeah he was corrupt but not more than most, and at least he got things moving a bit for the underclass as well. Sure he started some riots but that's after being kicked out of power in a coup. Is it his fault or the fault of those who did the coup in the first place? So what's with all the anti-Thaksin vibe?
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1172716]I don't understand the general anti-Thaksin sentiment in this forum. It seems he did a pretty good job all things considered when he was in power. Yeah he was corrupt but not more than most, and at least he got things moving a bit for the underclass as well. Sure he started some riots but that's after being kicked out of power in a coup. Is it his fault or the fault of those who did the coup in the first place? So what's with all the anti-Thaksin vibe?[/QUOTE]I'm with you, Chill. Under the new government the lives of the vast underclass will improve quickly and dramatically which I strongly favor.
I predicted this outcome in this forum some months ago. The danger is that the entrenched elite might decide to try and overrule the people by force. It will be a sad and bloody episode if they do.
The upper class and business people will have to shell out more so they and their sycophants are all bent out of shape about it. Ruthless exploitation of the poor is a very popular way of aquiring wealth and power in SE Asia, pretty much all over in fact.
Thaksin will crack down on illicit drugs and most corruption hard, which also puts off some folks. The pay-for-play industry will continue on pretty much as it is, though I expect it will become much more expensive and difficult for non-Thai's to compete in this arena. Some of the outsider operated venues that have proliferated in recent years will be facing a rough go. Which is probably a good thing, overall.
Lets face it, Chill, ever since Reaganomics and the greed-is-good Fascists he empowered came into their own in the States, the unenfranchised throughout the world have pretty much all suffered in the same way the American middle class has. Only those in the so called third world suffer much, much more, because they had so little to start with.
The rich get richer, and when the poor join together and rise up to demand a bigger slice of the pie, they don't like it.
[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1172677]Thai economy is largely dependent on tourism[/QUOTE]Are you sure about that?
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1172716]I don't understand the general anti-Thaksin sentiment in this forum. It seems he did a pretty good job all things considered when he was in power.[/QUOTE]During Thaksin's power, did the p4p (foreigner oriented) scene get better or worse? And, did the conditions for foreigners / expats get better or worse?
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1172802]Are you sure about that?[/QUOTE]Appropriate question.
If I am not wrong agricultural and textile industries prevail.
Tourism a jsut a more visible industry, for the foreigners, so seems to take over.
Taken the famous tourist locations (5?) , Thailand does not seem to be invaded by tourism!
Even if it is not a Bible, one should read this to get a better idea of what Thailand is from an ecnomical point of view
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand[/url]#Economy.
(there is an interesting part dedicated to the monger world and their contribution to thai GDP, LOL)
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1172802]Are you sure about that?[/QUOTE]Not really.
Approx. 7 % of the GDP.
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1172807]During Thaksin's power, did the p4p (foreigner oriented) scene get better or worse? And, did the conditions for foreigners / expats get better or worse?[/QUOTE]It got worse, but mainly because of an extreme politician in the interior ministry. That guy will most likely not come back.
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
I think minimal health care beats dying for want of the proper 100B worth of meds as happens far too often out in Isaan.
That said, I respect your opinion, Giotto, though I'm not sure it is entirely accurate.
You are very courageous to post such an inflamatory comment at this very fluid and potentially unstable time given your situation. Kudos!
[QUOTE=Naughty; 1172830]I think minimal health care beats dying for want of the proper 100B worth of meds as happens far too often out in Isaan.
...
[/QUOTE]Naughty,
agreed.
[QUOTE=Naughty; 1172830]That said, I respect your opinion, Giotto, though I'm not sure it is entirely accurate.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, what's not accurate?
I try to learn every day.
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
[QUOTE=Giotto; 1172829]It got worse, but mainly because of an extreme politician in the interior ministry. That guy will most likely not come back.
][/QUOTE]Who else in Thaksin's camp helped worsen thing for us? Will those policies come back in the new government. This is what we all should be worried about.
[QUOTE=Giotto;1172818]If you believe that he was not more corrupt than other Thai politicians, then I disagree. He was playing the game in a complete different league, more clever and more efficient. In my POV he did / does not give a shit about the people who elected him, he just used (misused) them to vote him into office. One should also think about how a small police officer can become a multibillionaire. To get there you need to be highly corrupt and highly criminal in Thailand (may be not only in Thailand).[/QUOTE]Agree.
[QUOTE=Giotto;1172818]On the other hand it is simply necessary that the old elite learns, that times of coups and putting snipers on roofs of buildings killing 92 demonstrators are over.[/QUOTE]Polarized wealth in countries makes for good mongering. When the middle class grows and gets richer, mongering suffers. Just have a look at the West.
I know Thailand also exports lot of Rice, Gems and textiles but as someone pointed out Tourism still contributes 7% to GDP!
Although it is strange everyone continues to debate on the outcome in general with their views although no one has yet answered that what this poll outcome means for an avg reader of the forum like me who visits Thailand twice or thrice a year just for some fun at Go Go bars and mongering!
Don't take me otherwise if I don't show much interest in outcome for locals as this isn't THAIPOLITICSGUIDE. Com Aplologies to anyone who gets offended in advance!
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Horny Landoora; 1172841]what this poll outcome means for an avg reader of the forum like me who visits Thailand twice or thrice a year just for some fun at Go Go bars and mongering!
Don't take me otherwise if I don't show much interest in outcome for locals as this isn't THAIPOLITICSGUIDE. Com Aplologies to anyone who gets offended in advance![/QUOTE]Yah, I'm with you on this. I don't care about what happens to Thai people, I only care about the future availability of cheap pussy and new regulations / policies towards expats and tourists.
[QUOTE=Horny Landoora; 1172841].
Don't take me otherwise if I don't show much interest in outcome for locals as this isn't THAIPOLITICSGUIDE. Com Aplologies to anyone who gets offended in advance![/QUOTE]Horny Landoora,
Nobody gets offended so easily.
We don't know what impact the outcome of the elections will have for the sex industry. Nothing is mentioned within the program of the PT, it was not an issue, the Thai people really had some more serious problems to deal with.
The Thai service provider from the North / North-East are happy at the moment, most of them are red. May be they will let you participate on their happiness. Who knows.
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1172846]Yah, I'm with you on this. I don't care about what happens to Thai people, I only care about the future availability of cheap pussy and new regulations / policies towards expats and tourists.[/QUOTE]Amjeck,
BTW, I don't really care about the cheap pussy and / or new regulations. We will live with that.
I care about the Thai people. You should give it a try.
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1172846]Yah, I'm with you on this. I don't care about what happens to Thai people, I only care about the future availability of cheap pussy and new regulations / policies towards expats and tourists.[/QUOTE]Availability if cheap pussy depends also on the wealth and good being of the population.
To' a certainly extent also on a degree of democracy. Tons of pussy in Vietnam and China but, no generalization, not so easy to take back to' your hotel room. Singapore and Hong Kong wide availability, but prices not au pair with Thailand. To the Point many TG go there to' be' WG's.
Look at the repeated alcohol bans for various reasons in Thailand.
Look at uprises between red and yellows last year.
Political and economical unstability do not work well for the mongerers. But a too strong government either, set aside their own business related to' the industry.
Although I am not too familiar with certain details, from what I read from.
Giotto, I not only see lots of similarities with a European country, but I do see the possibility that more than ever and above any standard, these guys can take control of much more of what they should.
For their own power, interests.
Once they and their friends are happy, they will have the same statement of yours: Who cares about the others? Be' them thai, farang, mongerers.
[QUOTE=Giotto; 1172851]Horny Landoora,
Nobody gets offended so easily.
The Thai service provider from the North / North-East are happy at the moment, most of them are red. May be they will let you participate on their happiness. Who knows.
Giotto.
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]Giotto, for the well being of your beloved customers patronizing the Sport Bar, make sure the hostesses all come from there, so they share more their happiness with your estimeed customers.
She happy. Me veeeery happy! .
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1172862].
She happy. Me veeeery happy! .[/QUOTE]Bionicman,
She very very happy! Ching ching!
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1172858].
Giotto, I not only see lots of similarities with a European country, but I do see the possibility that more than ever and above any standard, these guys can take control of much more of what they should.[/QUOTE]Bionicman,
I have no idea what European country you are referring to. But, you inspired me to describe the worst case scenario.
SATIRE! WARNING: SATIRE! (if NotTheNation writes nobody usually gets it!)
[b]Service Provider wanted! [/b]
Bangkok bars complain about a sudden shortage of services providers for the entertainment of their customers. After their landslide victory of PT in the 2011 elections in Thailand many women born on the rice farms of the North-East decided to leave the sex business of the Bangkok / Pattaya / Patong bars / massage parlors to go back home.
Growing rice is considered to secure an attractive income under the upcoming Thai government. Rice farmers will receive a government guaranteed price for their rice far above world market price, providing the subsidies for this program was a key issue of the election campaign of the new government. For those poor women, who up to now sold their bodies to farang because of poverty it will now be much more attractive to grow rice than to work in a bar.
ISG reporters talked to Pim:
ISG: "Why do you go back to Isaan, now, after the elections?"
Pim: "Sabai, Sabai!"
ISG: "What do you mean?"
Pim: "Well, up to now the easiest way of making our living was to fuck farang. Now it is to grow rice!"
ISG: "Really? Can you make the same income as before?"
Pim: "Not sure. But, life will be easier, and I don't need to get up early at 4 pm to look for customers every day. Rice will grow, we have to work some weeks a year, but I am sure, we can make that! We also have our water buffalo to help."
ISG: "And if the income will be too low?"
Pim: "Look, I can always go back to Bangkok and fuck the fat old bad-smelling farang. But for the time being I need to relax a bit, I worked so hard in my life already. Thaksin is No. One. He provides us with the necessary income for our rice!"
At Nana Plaza some bars were closing already. No women dancing at the poles. Business owners were very concerned: "It's a catastrophe! Before it was not a big problem to find hostesses. But now they are all going back to their farms. May be we need to hire some water buffaloes as "cheap pussy".
CHEERS!
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
[QUOTE=Naughty;1172781]Lets face it, Chill, ever since Reaganomics and the greed-is-good Fascists he empowered came into their own in the States, the unenfranchised throughout the world have pretty much all suffered in the same way the American middle class has. Only those in the so called third world suffer much, much more, because they had so little to start with.[/QUOTE]Actually that is not accurate at all. I can assure you that the average Thai is much richer now than in the 80s. Same is true of the average Indian, Chinese, Malaysian, etc.
[QUOTE=Giotto; 1172856]BTW, I don't really care about the cheap pussy and / or new regulations. We will live with that.
I care about the Thai people. You should give it a try.[/QUOTE]I heart this.
[QUOTE=Opebo;1172539]Gentlemen kiss it goodbye, the killjoys are back in power. Our brief respite under the return of the good old Ancien Régime is over, and we return to barbarous democracy (which we all know from our own homelands is not compatible with any kind of fun, least of all our kind).[/QUOTE]But the red shirts also won all the recent elections and the BB deep throat industry continues as always. Why should anything change now? Will Thailand suddenly not be poor anymore, as a third world country of rice farmers? Will BKK unie students not still be wanting the latest gadgets on the market? Will flooding and crop failures cease in the sticks? The oldest profesion has a very long and deeply ingrained history in this ancient cuntry. The tourist industry is huge in LOS & Thaksin is all about the bottom line.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1172846]Yah, I'm with you on this. I don't care about what happens to Thai people, I only care about the future availability of cheap pussy and new regulations / policies towards expats and tourists.[/QUOTE]I'd think most readers here are more interested in how they can fuck women in LOS rather than save the country from its political problems.
So if I were running a hotel in BKK that employs hookers and constantly posted ads on a sex site, it would seem that I should care about the former.
Re Opebo's comment, I can only guess that he is concerned that Thaksin's people will help the poor so much it will ruin the pussy market in LOS.
"Why would I make one woman so miserable when I can make so many women very happy?" {Benny Hill}
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1172716]I don't understand the general anti-Thaksin sentiment in this forum. .what's with all the anti-Thaksin vibe?[/QUOTE]Obviously because his rule was a huge negative for our hobby. Why do you think we're all here?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1172901]But the red shirts also won all the recent elections and the BB deep throat industry continues as always. Why should anything change now? . The tourist industry is huge in LOS & Thaksin is all about the bottom line. I'd think most readers here are more interested in how they can fuck women in LOS rather than save the country from its political problems. Re Opebo's comment, I can only guess that he is concerned that Thaksin's people will help the poor so much it will ruin the pussy market in LOS.[/quote]Why should we care about the 'political problem'? (the problem is democracy, by the way) We fled here for sexual freedom: tolerated prostitution, which democracy took away from us back home.
Thailand isn't very poor anymore, alas for us, so we're only getting the dregs at the best of times, but the point about Thaksin was the concerted effort to close down and squeeze out the industry. Weren't you here during the 2001-2006 bad times? In 2005 I thought for sure it was all over. The Beach Road in Pattaya was completely empty for months on end, with only black-shirted troopers roaming. I was actually just about to give up and go home, when wonder of wonders, a coup d'état saved the us and the Ancien Régime! I can't tell you how happy I was, and how much I've enjoyed the last few years respite (which by the way has been better under dear Abhisit than under the other post-coup governments).
Now I predict another crackdown, perhaps the last one. Have any of you experience with South Korea? It once had an industry as burgeoning as Thailand's, and I'm sure in 1980 or even 1990 people would have scoffed at predictions of its demise, but it is gone now. Killed by democracy and 'prosperity'.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1172892]Actually that is not accurate at all. I can assure you that the average Thai is much richer now than in the 80s. Same is true of the average Indian, Chinese, Malaysian, etc.[/QUOTE]Actually, the per capita wealth has increased in these nations, but the lot of most of the common people has declined or remained stagnant at best when inflation is factored in. The economic growth is concentrated at the top. The people are exploited.
In the area I am most familiar with, which is the Cambodian border area in Isaan, most of the gains in standard of living in the last 30 years occured during and immediately following the Thaksin era. A great deal of the little improvement there has been of late is due to remittances from abroad. There are exceptions of course, but generally there has been an overall decline in the quality of life since Thaksin was removed.
Which explains why the people overwhelmingly rejected the establishment in spite of their unprecedented efforts to sway the election with vote buying and such.
What happens to the "haves" in the affluent areas of the cities does not accurately reflect what is happening in the rest of these societies.
Get out more. Have a walk in the slums outside of the city sometime.
@Naughty: Just because the slum people don't have a Mercedes yet doesn't mean they aren't better off than 30 years ago. Look at pics from 30 years ago or just look at the stats.
@Opebo: So you'd wish long-lasting poverty on a people just so you can keep getting pussy on the cheap? No good.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1173118]@Opebo: So you'd wish long-lasting poverty on a people just so you can keep getting pussy on the cheap? No good.[/QUOTE]'Good' or 'bad' is an entirely subjective and relative concept, C. O. In any case poverty isn't the only factor in a satisfactory sex industry. One need not be severely poor to prefer the easy work and high earnings of prostitution.
In my sad homeland (the Bad Place) there are huge and burgeoning reserves of poors as well, but acceptable sex services are difficult and dangerous to find. The key difference is the openness or toleration of the business. It is this last factor - toleration - that democracy rings the death knell for.
[QUOTE=Giotto; 1172873]Bionicman,
SATIRE! WARNING: SATIRE! (if NotTheNation writes nobody usually gets it!)
Giotto.
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]LOL. Howled with laughter at that satire. Just what I needed, stuck in the Middle East at the moment with little immediate chance of getting back to LOS.
Keep it up,
Cheers.
Expatcat
[QUOTE=Opebo;1173150]In my sad homeland (the Bad Place) there are huge and burgeoning reserves of poors as well, but acceptable sex services are difficult and dangerous to find. The key difference is the openness or toleration of the business. It is this last factor - toleration - that democracy rings the death knell for.[/QUOTE]As I understand it the laws in the USA make prostitution illegal and the standard of living there makes it expensive. For the same price here for the time of your life you are looking at a low track needle user there. Certainly hooking up with the latter types is "dangerous" in a number of ways, as well as the perils of just being in her hood.
I'd suggest that in the USA it is religion and feminism that have little "toleration" for prostitution. While in LOS it is also illegal it is at the same time practicly legal, since Buddhists are not hung up on sex and TGs are normal women the way that the universe meant for them to be created.
"Prostitution in Thailand is illegal, although in practice it is tolerated and partly regulated. Prostitution is practiced openly throughout the country [1][2] Local officials with commercial interests in prostitution often protect the practice."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand[/url]
"In recent years, Thailand has become notorious for its sex trade. Although prostitution is technically illegal, 'Thailand's reputation as a hotspot for sex tourism has persisted"
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Prostitution_in_Thailand[/url]
Now that the little sis is in charge as the first female PM of LOS I wonder if just for the appearances she might be thinking about tightening up rules for P4P. I know it probably won't effect anything in the long run, but do you think just to be proper PC, as a woman, she might come up with some crazy new rules and regulations!
It happens all over the world with new female presi, pm or mayor (they are the worst when they find themselves with new powers!) Even in UK we have some draconian laws push through in the last days of that bi*ch HH before she efed-off. Let's hope Thai male politicians stand firm. I suspect, just to keep with the image, she might try a few new tricks.
What do you think. ?
[QUOTE=Opebo; 1172950]Obviously because his rule was a huge negative for our hobby. Why do you think we're all here?
Why should we care about the 'political problem'? (the problem is democracy, by the way) We fled here for sexual freedom: tolerated prostitution, which democracy took away from us back home.
Thailand isn't very poor anymore, alas for us, so we're only getting the dregs at the best of times, but the point about Thaksin was the concerted effort to close down and squeeze out the industry. Weren't you here during the 2001-2006 bad times? In 2005 I thought for sure it was all over. The Beach Road in Pattaya was completely empty for months on end, with only black-shirted troopers roaming. I was actually just about to give up and go home, when wonder of wonders, a coup the'état saved the us and the Ancien Régime! I can't tell you how happy I was, and how much I've enjoyed the last few years respite (which by the way has been better under dear Abhisit than under the other post-coup governments).
Now I predict another crackdown, perhaps the last one. Have any of you experience with South Korea? It once had an industry as burgeoning as Thailand's, and I'm sure in 1980 or even 1990 people would have scoffed at predictions of its demise, but it is gone now. Killed by democracy and 'prosperity'.[/QUOTE]Admittedly I wasn't in LOS from 2001-2006, although I was a member here since 2005 and seriously considered visiting the Kingdom then. I think the deciding factor on me not flying over at that time were the photos of allegedly hot TGs in the photo section. By 2007, when I first visited, I had realized such pics were not a true representaion of what was available here. But, apart from that, in reading the forum back in 2005, I didn't get the impression that Thaksin had put an end to cheap and easy pussy in LOS.
Surely there's more to the pooning life in Siam than just the Beach road in Pattaya. Were all the bars and MPs shut down too? Any guy with phone numbers of SWs he had collected on previous visits should have still been in business, but perhaps you lost your "little black book"? Even now 6 years later, the BIB have been raiding the BKK Nana street girls like never before, yet that scene just gets better.
If democracy is the problem, then would a country like Canada have legalized prostitution? Or the Netherlands have state sanctioned brothels? OTOH how much copulating have sex tourists been enjoying in anti-democratic North Korea lately? Although it seems that most US states have chosen to make life difficult for guys looking to get some ass, I'd suggest the real cause is another, usually black, book dating back to King James.
"Prostitution (Prostitutie) in the Netherlands is legal and regulated. Operating a brothel is also legal. In the last few years, a significant number of brothels and "windows" have been closed because of suspected criminal activity. De Wallen, the largest and best-known red-light district in Amsterdam, is a destination for international sex tourism."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Netherlands[/url]
"In Canada, the buying and selling of sexual services are not illegal, but most surrounding activities, such as public communication for the purpose of prostitution, brothels and procuring are outlawed.
"While the prohibition of the activities surrounding the sex trade makes it difficult to practice prostitution without breaking any law, the act of exchanging sex for money has never been illegal in Canada, a situation which has created and continues to create confusion and controversy."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada[/url]
"In the United States, each state has the power to decide whether or not prostitution is legal in that state or part of that state. In all but one USA state (Nevada) the buying and selling of sexual services is illegal and usually classified as a misdemeanor.
"Nevada allows licensed brothels, but only in some parts of the state, in rural counties"
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States[/url]
[QUOTE=Giotto; 1172856]Amjeck,
I care about the Thai people. You should give it a try.
Giotto.
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]I have and was dissapointed.
I find it humorous how foreigners set up shop in LOS and then start to sympathize with the Thais. Thais don't give a shit about any of us, so why do foreigners care about politics for the Thai people and how it will better them? Expats especially get all wrapped up in it as if they are part of the society and start to believe that Thailand is theirs too. Thai politics is for the Thais and them only.
Why you dropping you're link in all your posts? Spam or marketing?
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1173118]@Opebo: So you'd wish long-lasting poverty on a people just so you can keep getting pussy on the cheap? No good.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on this Opebo.
Keep in mind Thais hope the Burmese stay dirt poor as long as possible so they can use them for cheap labor and make them work in inhumane conditions.
This is Asia dude. There is nothing rosy and pretty about this place.
[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1173364].
I find it humorous how foreigners set up shop in LOS and then start to sympathize with the Thais. Thais don't give a shit about any of us, so why do foreigners care about politics for the Thai people and how it will better them? Expats especially get all wrapped up in it as if they are part of the society and start to believe that Thailand is theirs too. Thai politics is for the Thais and them only.[/QUOTE]Amjeck,
I basically agree. Sympathizing with the Thais is really difficult :) .
Nevertheless, if you live here and try to run a business you should at least understand the mechanisms of Thai politics. Though analyzing the political situation here is only an academic exercise. Still fun.
[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1173364].
Why you dropping you're link in all your posts? Spam or marketing?[/QUOTE]Don't know, don't also care much, I do this from time to time to remind the readers about the connection between the handle and the hotel. If you don't like it you are free to complain to Jackson and have me banned.
Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]
@Amjeck: My experience with Asia and Asians (including Thais) has been quite rosy so far, after a decade here. I'm afraid you reap what you sow, and you sure are one angry and bitter fellow, unfortunately. Maybe an attitude change would help. I hope you can manage it someday.
[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1173365]I'm with you on this Opebo.
Keep in mind Thais hope the Burmese stay dirt poor as long as possible so they can use them for cheap labor and make them work in inhumane conditions.[/QUOTE]The fact somebody likes to treat somebody else as a sort of slave, doesn't mean the business module is legitimate and can be replicated based on the "somebody is doing it, I do it too".
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1173422]I'm afraid you reap what you sow, and you sure are one angry and bitter fellow, unfortunately. Maybe an attitude change would help.[/QUOTE]It's funny how some people can interpret realism for anger. The truth is ugly sometimes.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1173338]Surely there's more to the pooning life in Siam than just the Beach road in Pattaya.[/quote]For me not all that much. That's the one place that truly satisfies.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1173338]Any guy with phone numbers of SWs he had collected on previous visits should have still been in business, but perhaps you lost your "little black book"?[/quote]No. If you had any experience with this type of girl you would know they lose their numbers one way or another very frequently. The chance of actually getting a girl on the phone again is very small.[QUOTE=Bionicman;1173442]The fact somebody likes to treat somebody else as a sort of slave, doesn't mean the business module is legitimate and can be replicated based on the "somebody is doing it, I do it too".[/QUOTE]Legitimacy? The most 'legitimate' - in terms of acceptance by populations and governments - ideology in the world today is the ideology of slavery.
[QUOTE=Opebo;1173660]For me not all that much. That's the one place that truly satisfies.[/QUOTE]If you are referring to the SWs there, I suppose it is somewhat the same for me with those in BKK, inasmuch as I seldom bother with bar, gogo or MP girls. {In fact I've never BF a lady even though I usually bring one or more to my room every night in around 700 days since 07}. Although if SWs were ever eliminated I'm sure the other options would still make it worthwhile to winter here. So what is it you find so irresistible about the Pattaya Beach road gals, that they are the key to your remaining in LOS or not, and your second best option is to return to the USA? For what, crack whor*s?
[QUOTE=Opebo;1173660]No. If you had any experience with this type of girl you would know they lose their numbers one way or another very frequently. The chance of actually getting a girl on the phone again is very small.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for Pattaya, since I've never been there or read much about the offerings on the Beach road. OTOH I have experience with SWs around NEP in BKK, and realize some change their numbers for various reasons {phone lost or stolen, stalkers, numbers expired, etc}. IME, though, on the present trip 5 out of 8 I tried to contact had retained the same numbers as they had before back in late 2009, early 2010. Many of these girls know each other, so I was also able to contact another one of the 8 through her friend. Other options would be {1} to share email addresses, {2} for her to have a hand written copy of your number in case she lost hers, and {3} to know the likely FL hangouts your SWs would go to if the BIB were cracking down on them. In BKK that would be places like the BG, Thermae, etc.
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I want to thank all the ISG members who post photographs. I have purchased a digital camera. I will be visiting Thailand, Vietnam, and the PI in the months of October through April. I will try to be as creative as some of you are. Kaintuck, Buttlover, etc. Great work. I promise to try to avoid posing my ladies in the same position, and uploading 20 photos when posting 2 or 3 would have been sufficient. So, thank you again, gentlemen. My goal is that the better photo posters will enjoy my photos as much as I enjoy theirs! Again, Khop Khun Khop, Mahalo, Gracias, Motto Bene, etc!
Oh, you would like that. No. No banning for you. You are stuck here with the rest of us.
[QUOTE=Giotto; 1173399]Amjeck,
Don't know, don't also care much, I do this from time to time to remind the readers about the connection between the handle and the hotel. If you don't like it you are free to complain to Jackson and have me banned.
Giotto.
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]
An amusing thing.
Wonder why the Thai Press are not reporting it? .
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/business/global/thai-princes-plane-impounded-in-germany.html[/url]
[url]http://asiancorrespondent.com/59962/liquidator-seizes-royal-thai-air-force-plane-in-munich-an-update/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed[/url]%3A+BangkokPundit+%28Bangkok+Pundit%29&utm_content=Twitter.
Amjek et al,
I think you have adopted an argumentatitive path and you are a senior and presumably a respected member. An expat in another country should adapt to that country is obvious. And the first step is understanding their way of life. You would'nt like an expat in your country looking down on you and behaving in a supercilious manner, and subjecting his neighbours to his native customs.
Giotto has done well for himself, his reports are informative; he is helpful too. No I have not stayed at his Lodge nor partaken his free booze.
We had scintillating posts by guys like OTH, Rabbit etc. Alas, things are not the same. Lets not make them worse.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1176194]An amusing thing.
Wonder why the Thai Press are not reporting it? .
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/business/global/thai-princes-plane-impounded-in-germany.html[/url]
[url]http://asiancorrespondent.com/59962/liquidator-seizes-royal-thai-air-force-plane-in-munich-an-update/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed[/url]
%3A+BangkokPundit+%28Bangkok+Pundit%29&utm_content=Twitter.[/QUOTE]I had a good laugh when I read this. If course in Thailand they will not publish this. It may be classified as Lese Majeste to report such incidents.
The only question is who owns the plane. If the Thai government owns it it should be kept to enforce the payment.
If the Royal family owns it they have no measures to impound it.
[QUOTE=Penthouse Hotel;1176388]May-be, these links should be removed.[/QUOTE]And why should they be removed?
[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1176705]I had a good laugh when I read this. If course in Thailand they will not publish this. It may be classified as Lese Majeste to report such incidents.
The only question is who owns the plane. If the Thai government owns it it should be kept to enforce the payment.
If the Royal family owns it they have no measures to impound it.[/QUOTE]It is registered in and operated by the Royal Thai Airforce as HS-CMV (Boeing 737. MSN 27906) (Ex 55-555)
Pretty much sure the plane papers should clarify the ownership.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1176194].
Wonder why the Thai Press are not reporting it? .[/QUOTE]The Thai press is reporting about the issue:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/07/16/national/Kasit-seeks-a-meeting-with-German-deputy-FM-over-i-30160380.html[/url]
Giotto
Thinking of a BKK /Singapore travel in Nov.
Didn't find any of those "free air tickets" AirAsia sometimes have. But did come across Tigerairways sales ticket starting at 1, 100baht +700b fee=1800b one way.
Is this a good deal and book now and not take a chance prices will go up or should I wait a little longer to see if any AirAsia promos come up as I don't have to travel until Nov 5th. What do you think?
FZ
Which are currently the best ATMs (Banks) to use in BKK and Pattaya with the lowest fees (or NO fees) for withdrawing cash? Thanks
[QUOTE=Freezone;1178232]Which are currently the best ATMs (Banks) to use in BKK and Pattaya with the lowest fees (or NO fees) for withdrawing cash? Thanks[/QUOTE]For various reasons to do with traceability, I never use ATMs in Thailand. I take a large bundle of cash and change into Baht when needed. By far the best exchange rate can be had with the moneychangers on Soi 3. There are a number of small offices in the street with a small 'money change' sign in the window, but no rates displayed. If you ask them the rate they will show you on a calculator. Some of them give a lower rate for small denomination notes (<£20) , but if so just go to the one next door for a better rate. I was getting 48. 4 whilst official bank booths were giving 47. 5 or worse.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1178321]For various reasons to do with traceability, I never use ATMs in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yeah; being married while mongering in Thailand can be risky. Hahahaha!
[QUOTE=Suntangh R;1176430]Giotto has done well for himself, his reports are informative; he is helpful too. No I have not stayed at his Lodge nor partaken his free booze.[/QUOTE]I'm not advocating banning Giotto. He's the one who brought it up. I was only asking him a question.
Citibank at Asoke in BKK. Only location.
AEON ATMS in BKK / Pattaya but not widely available.
[QUOTE=Freezone;1178232]Which are currently the best ATMs (Banks) to use in BKK and Pattaya with the lowest fees (or NO fees) for withdrawing cash? Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1178358]Yeah; being married while mongering in Thailand can be risky. Hahahaha![/QUOTE]Thanks! I appreciate your understanding!
[QUOTE=Freezone; 1178231]Thinking of a BKK / Singapore travel in Nov.
Didn't find any of those "free air tickets" AirAsia sometimes have. But did come across Tigerairways sales ticket starting at 1, 100baht +700b fee=1800b one way.
Is this a good deal and book now and not take a chance prices will go up or should I wait a little longer to see if any AirAsia promos come up as I don't have to travel until Nov 5th. What do you think?
FZ[/QUOTE]Actually Airasia is having a promo right now. Yesterday booked a ticket SIN-BKK for a friend of mine for over 100 euros total for mid October. But he should fly with me. Mine was about 50 euros 2 months ago.
I don't think you will find any cheaper. Watch out for the hidden costs eg luggage etc. Though.
How long can a person stay in Thailand as a tourist without having to leave the country? I know you can stay in Costa Rica for up to 90 days, but not sure about Thailand. I am hoping my next stay will be at least 60 days. What are the requirements for extended stays? Thanks for any help.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1181202]How long can a person stay in Thailand as a tourist without having to leave the country? I know you can stay in Costa Rica for up to 90 days, but not sure about Thailand. I am hoping my next stay will be at least 60 days. What are the requirements for extended stays? Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]For a tourist from must Western countries getting a stamped visa on arrival at the airport it's 30 days.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1181202]How long can a person stay in Thailand as a tourist without having to leave the country? I know you can stay in Costa Rica for up to 90 days, but not sure about Thailand. I am hoping my next stay will be at least 60 days. What are the requirements for extended stays? Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]No visa when you show up is 30 days, if you from western country. But if want stay longer get at least a double entry visa from a consulate abroad and then you have two sixty day stays, some consulates will do three at a time, but you have to walk over the border and back each time it expires, a bus trip to Cambodian border will do the trick.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1181324]For a tourist from must Western countries getting a stamped visa on arrival at the airport it's 30 days.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1181364]No visa when you show up is 30 days, if you from western country. But if want stay longer get at least a double entry visa from a consulate abroad and then you have two sixty day stays, some consulates will do three at a time, but you have to walk over the border and back each time it expires, a bus trip to Cambodian border will do the trick.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response. I should have mentioned that I am from the US. I have follow up questions. Are there any special requirements to get the double entry visa? Also you mentioned to get it at a consulate abroad. Would I do that here in the US? Sorry for my ignorance, but never had to do this before.
My understanding was that one could get a 60-day visa and it is extendable by 30 days in country (go to immigration office at Chaeng Wattana if in BKK) , then you have to leave the country to get another 60-day visa, you wouldn't have to go back home, just to another ASEAN country. One could string together two of these to get 6 months in LOS. I think there was a limit of two of these per year or 12 months. This info is at least a year old so best verify through other sources.
[QUOTE=Finrod;1181511]My understanding was that one could get a 60-day visa and it is extendable by 30 days in country (go to immigration office at Chaeng Wattana if in BKK) , then you have to leave the country to get another 60-day visa, you wouldn't have to go back home, just to another ASEAN country. One could string together two of these to get 6 months in LOS. I think there was a limit of two of these per year or 12 months. This info is at least a year old so best verify through other sources.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response. All the responses helped direct me in further research. I now have some phone numbers and addresses that I will pursue further.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1181542]Thanks for your response. All the responses helped direct me in further research. I now have some phone numbers and addresses that I will pursue further.[/QUOTE]The so called visa run can also take place at the Malaysian / Thailand border for instance if that is more convenient
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1181202]How long can a person stay in Thailand as a tourist without having to leave the country? I know you can stay in Costa Rica for up to 90 days, but not sure about Thailand. I am hoping my next stay will be at least 60 days. What are the requirements for extended stays? Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]Entering by land you get 13 days, by air 28. They say 30 days but includes arrival and departure days.
If you apply for a visa in a Thai consulate you can get a 60 day one (that can be extended in Thailand for another 30 days for 1. 000 BHT) That visa costs 30 euros in Europe.
Alternatively you can get a double entry one for 60 euros. That is two times the above but you have to leave the country and re-enter, even same day, upon completion of the first 90 days. I usually get an Airasia dot com ticket for a small tour in other countries around there.
In your case a simple 60 days visa is what you need.
My 2 Baht.
[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1178366]Citibank at Asoke in BKK. Only location.
AEON ATMS in BKK / Pattaya but not widely available.[/QUOTE]The MaxValu supermarkets that are springing up around Thailand are run by AEON, and some (not all) of them have AEON ATMs. The one on Thonglor 18 does.
Hopefully within 6 months most major cities will be 3G. At long last.
This is the thing I like about Thaksin governments, they just go ahead and get things done. The new airport would still be "planning" if TRT had never come to power, and hopefully within a year of PTP being in power the whole country will finally be 3G.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/telecom/249297/ais-goes-3g-in-spite-of-legal-jams[/url]
Bionicman and El Greco, thanks for responses.
[QUOTE=Suntangh R; 1176430]Giotto has done well for himself, his reports are informative; he is helpful too.[/QUOTE]I concur.
What do you guys think is the best time to got to Thailand? I'm thinking about going in May of next year.
[QUOTE=Bkgee;1182208]What do you guys think is the best time to got to Thailand? I'm thinking about going in May of next year.[/QUOTE]Best time for what?
If you mean the weather, google "weather in Thailand" and get the history.
But to me, any time is good.
[QUOTE=Bkgee;1182208]What do you guys think is the best time to got to Thailand? I'm thinking about going in May of next year.[/QUOTE]The best time to come is as soon as possible, Bkgee, because the chance of things getting at least partially closed down loom very large over the next year or two, and probably even greater after that.
[QUOTE=Opebo;1182547]The best time to come is as soon as possible, Bkgee, because the chance of things getting at least partially closed down loom very large over the next year or two, and probably even greater after that.[/QUOTE]I am very afraid of that also. Planned another trip in Nov. We will see.
[QUOTE=Bkgee;1182208]What do you guys think is the best time to got to Thailand? I'm thinking about going in May of next year.[/QUOTE]The time to come is now, like the other guys said, though not because YingLuck will legislate a "shut down" of TGs pussies. TGs believe in the freedom to spread so they can "take care" of the farang which means taking care of their mama, papa, little brother & flu sick water buffalo. So even the new PM is not going to put a closed sign on the holy of holies for my poly.
Now is the time because there are many pickings, at prices the same as in 2007, that are better than ever. The customer to girl ratio is in our favour unlike I've known before. We can thank airport closures, sieges of BKK, lack of Japanese clients, etc, for this happy turn of events. The erection demolition experts also must be motivated by their awareness of these things and the uncertain future re human ATMs travelling to the capitol & beyond.
At times the BIB have been cracking down hard on the NEP SWs in the last few months. Did this "shut down" the market? Hardly. The SWs just use their brains and pretend they're standing at the bus stop waiting for a bus, or they walk around and make eye contact with their business targets, etc. Even if the BIB station their men at every 10 feet around NEP, this isn't going to duct tape closed a TG's legs. Moreover such tactics would only make it even more of a buyers market than it already is, as would also be the case should the yellow vs red shirt nonsense explode again. So here's to hoping it does.
IMHO. I could be wrong.
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Ok now what hotels are good, I was looking at the Penthouse, and Dynasty Hotel.
[QUOTE=Bkgee;1183084]Ok now what hotels are good, I was looking at the Penthouse, and Dynasty Hotel.[/QUOTE]Do you want us to find girls for you too?
Why don't you check the Pattaya Hotel section.
Hey!
How are you all BKK-lovers?
Do you know if high end hotels like Dusit Thani are girlfriendly?
I feel some curiosity for getting an Indian girl in BKK (out of thai girls, of course). Any recommendation? Is there any place where are there beautiful and hot Indian girls?
Thanks 4 help!
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1183114]Do you want us to find girls for you too?
Why don't you check the Pattaya Hotel section.[/QUOTE]I did look! I was looking for your guys personal opions. Some of you guys take this forum so personal! I thought we were on here to share information!
[QUOTE=Bkgee;1186126]I did look! I was looking for your guys personal opions. Some of you guys take this forum so personal! I thought we were on here to share information![/QUOTE]OK, at least you have a sense of humor.
You asked such a broad question."What hotels are good". What are you looking for? : Pool, good food, location, quiet room, GF, cheap. 5 star. I can go on and on.
Be specific and maybe we can help you.
[QUOTE=Kerlon; 1185897]Hey!
How are you all BKK-lovers?[/QUOTE]No, it is 2x more expensive than Pattaya and I don't like the air.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1186170]OK, at least you have a sense of humor.
You asked such a broad question."What hotels are good". What are you looking for? : Pool, good food, location, quiet room, GF, cheap. 5 star. I can go on and on.
Be specific and maybe we can help you.[/QUOTE]Thank you sir, now we are talking. I respect your reply. I'm looking for location, action, GF, and good food $35-50. I found a lot of hotels with good prices. My problem is going here for the first time I don't want to pick something and it's to far from everything. This is why I ask you guys for help.
[QUOTE=Kerlon; 1185897]Hey!
How are you all BKK-lovers? . Is there any place where are there beautiful and hot Indian girls?
Thanks 4 help![/QUOTE]Yes, the hot Indian girls all hang out at the New India Hotel on Suk Soi 96. And the not so hot ones are in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Bkgee;1186341]Thank you sir, now we are talking. I respect your reply. I'm looking for location, action, GF, and good food $35-50. I found a lot of hotels with good prices. My problem is going here for the first time I don't want to pick something and it's to far from everything. This is why I ask you guys for help.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.wgfriendly.com/search_girl_friendly_hotels.php?country=Thailand&city=Pattaya[/url]
This is a good GF list. It is not all of them, but some decent ones. Pull up a map of Pats. I usually go to Agoda, pull one of the hotels, and populate the map with all hotels to find their location.
I don't like Walking Street, but as a first timer, you may want something close to it.
Some of the more popular GF hotels are:
Areca Lodge.
Haven.
Flipper Lodge.
Eastiny.
Sunshine Apts.
New Dynasty.
Tim's Boutique.
The LK chain is good, but a little pricier.
LK Royal.
LK Metropole.
LK Renaissance (I always stay here)
You will find action within walking distance of any of these hotels.
Some suggest to book a night or two at a place, then after you get there and check things out, go to another hotel if you wish.
A little bit of info for the blokes looking for Indian girls in LOS.
1. Indian girls don't come to BKK for the sex trade. They make tons more money (10-50 times) what they would make in LOS. That is because there a lot of young rich guys who are paying good money for these hot Indian chicks. And believe me they make more in a few days than I could make in a month.
2. Indians are very conscious about their place in society. The local Indian population would not like it if they were identified as sex workers. There is too much shame. There many Indians looking for a cheap one here in LOS and the girls don't want to be recognized as such. However, if you come across a group of Indian tourist girls, you may get lucky.
3. If you want the bottom of the heap, look to places like Hong Kong, where they are sitting outside hotels. They are brought there by their pimps. It seems Hong Kong has a much more lenient visa policy, as I see Filipinos, Thais etc. Also doing the trade there.
So, if you want HOT Indian girls you are very unlikely to find any in LOS as they are making tons of money in India itself. If you want the bottom of the heap, there may be a chance. So please stop keep asking for them. And by chance that you come by them let us know, so I can update my data base.
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1186835]A little bit of info for the blokes looking for Indian girls in LOS.
1. Indian girls don't come to BKK for the sex trade.[/QUOTE]I've seen tons of TGs in BKK who could double for Indian or, for that matter, Loas or Chinese or Japanese or Vietnamese, etc, etc, etc, girls. In other words, when I see these TGs I see quite a lot of resemblance to what I've seen of females elsewhere. So even if I knew there were Indian born erection demolition experts in LOS, I doubt that I'd have any desire for them anyway. In fact this is the first time I've ever seen any interest in finding such in Thailand after years of reading online sex sites like ISG. European or Russian babes, on the other hand, is another matter, does get my attention and that of other posters on a regular basis. After all, they are not practicly clones of what is born here and in abundance. So it seems to me that the look of some Thai women, and the Thai culture also BTW, has a lot of similarities to those of India. JMO. I could be wrong.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1186916]I've seen tons of TGs in BKK who could double for Indian. So it seems to me that the look of some Thai women, and the Thai culture also BTW, has a lot of similarities to those of India. JMO. I could be wrong[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right. Many South American and Spanish women look very much like Indian and vice versa. However, I did come across a half Indian in Pattaya many years ago. Apparently she was the product of a Indian mongerer and a Thai WG.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1186916]I've seen tons of TGs in BKK who could double for Indian or, for that matter, Loas or Chinese or Japanese or Vietnamese, etc, etc, etc, girls. In other words, when I see these TGs I see quite a lot of resemblance to what I've seen of females elsewhere. So even if I knew there were Indian born erection demolition experts in LOS, I doubt that I'd have any desire for them anyway.[/QUOTE]Over the years I have had the pleasure of having several Half Thai / Half Indian (and Half Thai / Half Pakistani) girls as playmates in LOS! I rather like that look!
If you stop to think about it there are many Indians living in Thailand, some for many years, and (nowdays) quite a lot of Indian visitors. So it is not 'so' unusual to expect to find this, often rather beautiful, mix.
The ones I have known have told me that 'Moma from Thai. Pappa from India! ' Several have had Indian rather than Thai 'given names. '
A couple of years ago there were a pair of Half Thai / Half Pakistani sisters working in one of the Pattaya go-go's. VERY nice indeed! However I have not seen them around during my last few trips.
In my experience there is not one 'special place' for these girls but it IS possible to find all sorts of ethnic mixes in Thailand.
I can remember a Thai / Scandinavian, a Thai / German, a Thai / Black American (WOW, she was HOT!) and several Thai / Chinese girls that I have been with over the years.
Just get out there and look. You may not find EXACTLY what you are looking for but I would be rather surprised if you are unable to find 'something' acceptable.
ENJOY.
(I do!)
Hotman.
[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1187085]Over the years I have had the pleasure of having several Half Thai / Half Indian (and Half Thai / Half Pakistani) girls as playmates in LOS! I rather like that look!
I can remember a Thai / Scandinavian, a Thai / German, a Thai / Black American (WOW, she was HOT!) and several Thai / Chinese girls that I have been with over the years.
Just get out there and look. You may not find EXACTLY what you are looking for but I would be rather surprised if you are unable to find 'something' acceptable.
ENJOY.
(I do!)
Hotman.[/QUOTE]The objective was to have a totally Indian girl. Of course, in a mongering center one can likely to find half and halfs.
.......the hottest, most emminently fuckable head of state on the planet?
[QUOTE=Member #2041;1187734].the hottest, most emminently fuckable head of state on the planet?[/QUOTE]She may be the only one left in Thailand after she gets rid of the mongering places we visit.
Pardon me guys, for straying from the path of punani but I need advice one one of the essential conditions in life; weather. I naturally looked at about one hundred weather forecast sites and they all state various amounts of rain and thunder over BKK and the east where I plan (ed) to head. Is is super rainy now? Wet as hell or just the drizzles that us northerners consider an entertaining distraction on one of the four sunny days we get in a year? Would transportation be disrupted in / around BKK or down towards trad and the islands? Many dead in floods in my dear Philippines and I do not wish to fly in to a water or thunder inferno, even of micro format.
If I decide to fly, I will be traveling with non mongering persons who will not be happy campers if it is all rain and not even a crack in the clouds. This would be just like home. I know, no one here can predict the future but any form of assessment of the current status in BKK and the east around Trad, together with a qualified guessing, would be gratefully welcomed. Partially cloudy and windy to some extend is beach weather IMHO, but black clouds, rain and thunder during most parts of the day will just be a waste of time and money.
Regards,
Barba
[QUOTE=Member #2041;1187734].the hottest, most emminently fuckable head of state on the planet?[/QUOTE]If I was Thai and able to vote, I certainly wouldn't need the bribe or care about the political issues regarding her. When she was on the tube the other day wearing that white military uniform and speaking to the queen all I was thinking was what color is her bra and panty? I was thinking Victoria Secrets black?
LBM
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1187763]She may be the only one left in Thailand after she gets rid of the mongering places we visit.[/QUOTE]Sorry Luvpuss, this isn't going to happen in a million plus year. She and her brother has learn from the first time and the first thing she did was show respect for the Royal family which in my opinion her brother never did? Maybe it was just photo op but did you see how happy the Queen was? In fact I wouldn't be surprise if she is now officially has become the PM A. K. A. Big Mamasan.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1187845]Sorry Luvpuss, this isn't going to happen in a million plus year. She and her brother has learn from the first time and the first thing she did was show respect for the Royal family which in my opinion her brother never did? Maybe it was just photo op but did you see how happy the Queen was? In fact I wouldn't be surprise if she is now officially has become the PM A. K. A. Big Mamasan.
LBM[/QUOTE]Hope you are right.
The missing red shirts now found?
[url]http://asiancorrespondent.com/62825/mass-grave-site-found-in-thailand/[/url]
Interesting what will happen with this story and any ramifications.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1187763]She may be the only one left in Thailand after she gets rid of the mongering places we visit.[/QUOTE]Precisely, Luvpuss. There will still be sexy ladies in Thailand, but once the venues are eliminated and the streetwalkers are rounded up, you'll be able to look only.
Then she is up for a challenge.
[quote]A 1974 study put the number of prostitutes at 500, 000 to 700, 000. A 2004 estimate by Dr. Nitet Tinnakul from Chulalongkorn University gives a total of 2. 8 million sex workers, including 2 million women. 20, 000 adult males and 800, 000 minors under the age of 18. One estimate published in 2003 placed the trade at US$ 4. 3 billion per year or about three percent of the Thai economy. It has been suggested for example that there may be as many as 10, 000 prostitutes on Koh Samui alone, an island resort destination not usually associated with prostitution, and that at least 10% of tourist dollars may be spent on the sex trade.[/quote][url]https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand[/url]
Barba
Dear members,
I'm trying to find some reports about "Star of Light" but the search-function can't help me very well.
Can anyone help me with finding some reports, maybe some usernames or other tips?
Thank you very much for your help.
Gr. Rick666
[QUOTE=Rick666; 1188840]Dear members,
I'm trying to find some reports about "Star of Light" but the search-function can't help me very well.
Can anyone help me with finding some reports, maybe some usernames or other tips?
Thank you very much for your help.
Gr. Rick666[/QUOTE]Star of Light is mentioned in hundreds of reports. When searching, add the quotation marks: If you search for Star of Light, you get a lot of hits on posts containing the word Star. If you search for "Star of Light", you seem to get more relevant results:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2183-Photo-Gallery&p=1183338#post1183338[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1181198#post1181198[/url]
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[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2183-Photo-Gallery&p=1152324#post1152324[/url]
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Somebody here mentioned that Koh Samui, according to some study, has 10000 sex workers. The official population of the rock is 55000. That means 20% of the population (including men, old, infants) is the sex trade of their bodies. Assuming an approx 50% of the population is female (including old and babies) .40% of women sell their bodies for money. I don't want to do further math but this shows how irrational are certain statements.
Or these 10, 000 WG are all coming from mainland. Very true lots are coming from Isan. But still I find very hard (no pun intended) to count 10000 girls available fir sex on the island. I know a go-go bar in Chaweng (the main centre, together with Lamai) employing averagely some 40 girls. And it is a large one. I can't see where the remaining 9960 are.
I think, at the best, there are 1000 girls on the market, not 10, 000.
[quote=bionicman; 1188996]somebody here mentioned that koh samui, according to some study, has 10000 sex workers. the official population of the rock is 55000. that means 20% of the population (including men, old, infants) is the sex trade of their bodies. assuming an approx 50% of the population is female (including old and babies).40% of women sell their bodies for money. i don't want to do further math but this shows how irrational are certain statements.
or these 10, 000 wg are all coming from mainland. very true lots are coming from isan. but still i find very hard (no pun intended) to count 10000 girls available fir sex on the island. i know a go-go bar in chaweng (the main centre, together with lamai) employing averagely some 40 girls. and it is a large one. i can't see where the remaining 9960 are.
i think, at the best, there are 1000 girls on the market, not 10, 000.[/quote]statistic is a pretty funny thing.
common standard of a single community is made up approximately 60% of working age. out of that. 50% are women. 30% of total then. so, wl age, from 18 to mid 30s, we just assume even distribution, a third, which is 10. that totals only 5500. since you said 40% as the standard of your pick, we are left with 2200 people.
jakarta, a city with approximately ten million traffic daily is actually filled with 2 million registered people. the rest came from surrounding areas in the morning and came back in the evening or the whole weekday and weekend. this is a picture example of specialized workforce that comes to a certain areas where there are business, despite not from there. like a gold rush. everyone from everywhere runs to the gold. the population swelled but the official population count never increases, because census is usually counted from where you are from, not where you are now. it might be different with social studies though. we add the movement across province plus leeway for ladyboys and ****, the numbers will be at least double from 2200. not yet there.
i am no statistician, but i would say it is not beyond rational. it is common for statistical reports to be too simplified so people only need to read the intended statistics. in fact i would say that they never got the whole picture. with statistical input, there is always more, never less. some illegals never got into census register. but they are there. the same with probably more people in the pleasure industry that never want to step into the spotlight. hope this entertain readers.
[QUOTE=Valkyrie; 1189002]Statistic is a pretty funny thing.
Hope this entertain readers.[/QUOTE]I agree. My point was mainly: both the figure (10, 000) and the percentage (20% on the WHOLE island population) seem unrealistic.
I do agree a lot of these girls (especially them) escape from the official counts as they commute. But whilst they can commute on the big cities from the peripherial towns and suburbs, whilst a lot population is not recorded, here we talk about a tiny island.
I cannot dispute the other figures given in that report. 2 millions etc. Can well be and spreading them around a whole country population (albeit they certainy concentrate in main areas) can have a degree of credibility.
Being a KS regular I do have my doubts, then. Be then % or numbers.
I have often heard the statement that Pattaya has 10-20K sex workers. That statistic I believe, and actually it might be on the low side. But I also believe that Pattaya has at least 10 times as many sex workers as Koh Samui does.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1188996]Somebody here mentioned that Koh Samui, according to some study, has 10000 sex workers. The official population of the rock is 55000. That means 20% of the population (including men, old, infants) is the sex trade of their bodies. Assuming an approx 50% of the population is female (including old and babies).40% of women sell their bodies for money. I don't want to do further math but this shows how irrational are certain statements.
Or these 10, 000 WG are all coming from mainland. Very true lots are coming from Isan. But still I find very hard (no pun intended) to count 10000 girls available fir sex on the island. I know a go-go bar in Chaweng (the main centre, together with Lamai) employing averagely some 40 girls. And it is a large one. I can't see where the remaining 9960 are.
I think, at the best, there are 1000 girls on the market, not 10, 000.[/QUOTE]I am sure it depends on the season. I was there last month. I guess if you add the FL's, bar girls, escorts and the greatest number (massage girls) there are between 1000-1500.
Also, I would say Pattaya has closer to 10k.
It is an interesting topic, but on the big picture it really doesn't matter to me. There always seems to be plenty of girls for me to bang and that is all I care about.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1189039]It is an interesting topic, but on the big picture it really doesn't matter to me. There always seems to be plenty of girls for me to bang and that is all I care about.[/QUOTE]LOL.
In a single trip I think an availaibility of 100 gives lots of choices.
The 10k was a quote from Wikipedia. Personally I do not have a clue if it is 10 or 10 000 000. At lest not for a few more hours.
Barba waiting for a plane.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1188996]Somebody here mentioned that Koh Samui, according to some study, has 10000 sex workers. The official population of the rock is 55000. That means 20% of the population (including men, old, infants) is the sex trade of their bodies. Assuming an approx 50% of the population is female (including old and babies).40% of women sell their bodies for money. I don't want to do further math but this shows how irrational are certain statements.
Or these 10, 000 WG are all coming from mainland. Very true lots are coming from Isan. But still I find very hard (no pun intended) to count 10000 girls available fir sex on the island. I know a go-go bar in Chaweng (the main centre, together with Lamai) employing averagely some 40 girls. And it is a large one. I can't see where the remaining 9960 are.
I think, at the best, there are 1000 girls on the market, not 10, 000.[/QUOTE]A statistic that would be more interesting would be how many Massage Joints and how many bars selling sex. These would be a lot easier to count.
Probably 10,000 girls that ever worked Koh Samui in the last 20 years.
My mate was staying in City Lodge Sukhumwit Soi 19. We wanted a convenient lunch so went to Tops food court below the Robinson.
Cheap eats but can't get a decent coffee or anything good to drink other than water. Fruit drinks are crap. Why is that? Simple. The drinks are loaded up with sugar syrup and ice.
Could have eaten at Yong Lee on corner of Soi 15, but noisy, dirty, grumpy staff, overly greasy duck, and its too hot.
On way out he had to collect his laundry at the little laundry opposite Friends Massage & Barber (the young girl there has nice tits). We wanted a coffee so happened to notice this little boutique coffee shop called Chez Charlie next to Laundry and directly opposite Friends. I went in with a slight feeling of trepidation. The last boutique coffee shop I went into with a girl, in Prom Phong, served me a crap coffee and her a crap tea.
Chez Charlie gave us a choice of beans according to strength, acidity and bitterness that we liked. I wanted one with a bit more oomf. They use one shot packs to ensure freshness. Super good taste. The owner likes proper Espresso with no milk! I saw they sell fruit juice and vegetable juice blends. Everything there is high quality organic produce. No artificial or fake ingredients. No MSG. Even the icecreams and sorbets are organic. I tried a chocolate lava dessert with my coffee. Rich but stupendous and not too big.
I have since tried many things there. Savoury crepes, all naturally cooked beef stew, french onion soup, panna cotta with unsweetened (or slightly sweetened) passion fruit topping, banana smoothie. The banana smoothie was thick but not too much. Good taste due to very low ice, some ice cream and yogourt and chilled glass. Best smothie I ever had in Thailand (no risk).
Place is spotless, service fast, and quality in everything they do. Cannot be as cheap as the food court but prices are very reasonable. Small but has upstairs too. Only been opened a short time. Young high class girls seem to come into this place to get a coffee or light meal! This makes the surroundings very pleasant. This place is definitely at odds with the general chaos of Soi 19.
I always stay around the corner from the Family Mart on that sub soi. Always take the laundry into the same place you did. She does have a great body and is very interesting. Last time there (June) the place where Chez Charlie is now was being gutted out. Use to be a farang owned music joint. Ill concieved and died quickly. Will have to take in Chez Charlie. Thanks for the post.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1190285]On way out he had to collect his laundry at the little laundry opposite Friends Massage & Barber (the young girl there has nice tits). We wanted a coffee so happened to notice this little boutique coffee shop called Chez Charlie next to Laundry and directly opposite Friends. I went in with a slight feeling of trepidation. The last boutique coffee shop I went into with a girl, in Prom Phong, served me a crap coffee and her a crap tea.
Chez Charlie snipped / snipped.
Place is spotless, service fast, and quality in everything they do. Cannot be as cheap as the food court but prices are very reasonable. Small but has upstairs too. Only been opened a short time. Young high class girls seem to come into this place to get a coffee or light meal! This makes the surroundings very pleasant. This place is definitely at odds with the general chaos of Soi 19.[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but nevermind.
The last time I travelled to Thailand the airport link of the Skytrain had not been finished (three years ago).
I've just looked at the 'Seat 61' rail website and it looks like the rail link from Suvarnabhumi was completed last year in August.
Would it be possible to update the Suvarnabhumi Airport Transportation Fact Sheet to include this new material. I found that the old material was priceless and very accurate when I travelled to Pattaya using Bells bus service. I'm looking to travel to Thailand in November and wondered if the travel information could be updated by then and the posting altered.
Cheers.
Expatcat
Can anyone tell me if the Ava Pub on Soi 11 is still open for business? I have a friend travelling to BKK on business and I want to give him a recommendation or two for places to go.
I've had a good evening or two in the past at this place.
Thanks in advance.
Styk.
[QUOTE=Expatcat; 1191188]Hi,
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but nevermind.
The last time I travelled to Thailand the airport link of the Skytrain had not been finished (three years ago).
I've just looked at the 'Seat 61' rail website and it looks like the rail link from Suvarnabhumi was completed last year in August.
Would it be possible to update the Suvarnabhumi Airport Transportation Fact Sheet to include this new material. I found that the old material was priceless and very accurate when I travelled to Pattaya using Bells bus service. I'm looking to travel to Thailand in November and wondered if the travel information could be updated by then and the posting altered.
Cheers.
Expatcat[/QUOTE]Its not recommended to use the Airport link when arriving unless have very low luggage or it takes you exactly where you want to end-up. Mostly taxi is better.
Could be okay for going to the airport, again if you are really close to the station, or can get there very easily and quickly.
Google Maps shows the SARL Stations (Sawanaphum Airport rail Link) Makkasan SARL, Ratchaprarop, Phaya Thai. The locations are generally not that convenient, even to BTS and MRT connections, if carrying suitcases.
Expatcat,
It been running for over 16 month I first ride it on 2009 they offer free limited test run for 3 month, I take it last week arrive at the ariport at 9. 30pm.
Express go to Makasan station 90 bht non stop take only 18 min and take taxi to Suhumvit soi 13 cost 70 bht or non express 45 bht go to Phaythai station and connect with BTS take 30 min about 7 stop, not many foreigner take the train still better to take taxi ifyou have alot of luggage.
Fast Eddie 48.
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but nevermind.
The last time I travelled to Thailand the airport link of the Skytrain had not been finished (three years ago).
I've just looked at the 'Seat 61' rail website and it looks like the rail link from Suvarnabhumi was completed last year in August.
Would it be possible to update the Suvarnabhumi Airport Transportation Fact Sheet to include this new material. I found that the old material was priceless and very accurate when I travelled to Pattaya using Bells bus service. I'm looking to travel to Thailand in November and wondered if the travel information could be updated by then and the posting altered.
Cheers,
Expatcat[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stykler; 1191197]Can anyone tell me if the Ava Pub on Soi 11 is still open for business? I have a friend travelling to BKK on business and I want to give him a recommendation or two for places to go.
I've had a good evening or two in the past at this place.
Thanks in advance.
Styk.[/QUOTE]I was there 6 weeks ago staying at the Pres. Palace. That bar was open at that time. I don't beleive it opened until later (5pm).
Cheers Syzygies and Fast Eddie 48 for the updated information.
If I don't have any luggage, I'll try the Skytrain. If I do, the cab.
Cheers.
Expatcat
Just booked my first trip to heaven. Should I use a fast track service to get through immigration and customs or is it a waste of money.
[QUOTE=Horndog 3;1191492]Just booked my first trip to heaven. Should I use a fast track service to get through immigration and customs or is it a waste of money.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about immigration and customs in BKK? Or back in the USA? There are plenty of booths open at the new and improved airport in BKK, so it should not have much of a wait whatsoever. What takes longer, is for your bag to show up. Once you have your bag, customs is cake.
[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1191513]Are you talking about immigration and customs in BKK? Or back in the USA? There are plenty of booths open at the new and improved airport in BKK, so it should not have much of a wait whatsoever. What takes longer, is for your bag to show up. Once you have your bag, customs is cake.[/QUOTE]Tomjackin,
This is not true during the period between 11am and 12am in Bangkok, Although there are plenty of booth they aren't man whatsoever. I normally use Eva Air and arrive at 11:10 am or so, I don't know what happen in the last year but it has also been reported in many of the local English paper the last year regarding the long lines in Immigration arriving and departing.
I can confirm when arriving in Feb. Once out of the aircraft I like always pretty much fly to immigration to find that the lines have back up to the end of the ramp. In all the years coming I have never experience anything like this. I jocky up the ramp and see if I can find a shorter line which I did but not much shorter. Don't assume when you see passenger on the ramp that all lines are full. Passenger are confused and just stand around instead of moving or forcing themselves up the ramp to enter into other lines. By the time I got through immigration to get my bags it was over a hour! My bags were gone they had taken them away and put them in some corner to make room for other flights.
When I came back in mid July same thing, got to immigration this time it was backup to the top of the ramp and all open booths were full. Again I was watching which line were moving faster, who were in line, I try to stay out of lines that I feel have tour groups, families and especially Mideasterner (sorry) but lots of Chinese groups from China. I was in a line closes to where the Thai locals use and it was empty. With a few immigration walking around and looking at the situation then I notice these agents were picking out the Chinese tour groups and moving them to the empty Thai locals booth. I and a few others notice this and try to tag along but got stop so back to our regular line. As always I normally catch the Bell bus leaving for Pattaya at 12 noon, both times I miss the bus because of having to wait 45 minutes or more to get out! This time I was lucky, Bell bus happen to have a van come by with some extra passengers to drop off from Pattaya, and was able to take a number of passengers who also miss the 12 noon bus back to Pattaya at 12:30pm.
I recently met a guy who also uses Eva and they have a service VIP, not exactly how much but I remember something like 2, 000 baht and it allows you to use the other booths. He also confirm when he got to immigration the the lines were back down the ramp and was glad that he paid the extra money. As a lowly coach passenger I don't remember this service being offer but this guy was traveling Business?
When the airport open it seem new and improve but lately I don't know what has happen? I have run through some of the flight schedules from other airlines and don't notice any unusual that more increase flights are coming in at this particular period maybe someone else has an answer for the long delays?
LBM
thanks for the input tomjackin and little big man. my flight comes in at 9:00 pm. i was just wondering how fast the lines move at that time of night. i have rtff about all of the mp, soapies and bj bars. how save is it to walk around by ones self after midnight. i was thinking of going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s as my first stop to start thing off. should i only exchange a little bit of money at the airport and then more the next day at a bank?
[quote=horndog 3;1191650]how save is it to walk around by ones self after midnight. i was thinking of going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s as my first stop to start thing off. should i only exchange a little bit of money at the airport and then more the next day at a bank?[/quote]midnight sukhumvit road is still very busy. fairly safe. i have never been concerned. 4am it is still generally okay except that some people have had problems with ladyboys on certain almost vacant (of people) stretches. so just avoid the ladyboys standing by side of pavement. its possible they may try to pick pocket. don't allow yourself to be hugged by street by-standers. specially avoid gangs of ladyboys. i have never had a problem myself. perhaps i appear experienced.
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is okay to start off if you are too tired for a full on session. bear in mind that these are not the prettiest girls in bangkok. i started my visit off with full on session at mango. now that is a real kick start.
i don't believe the exchange rates will vary that much between different proper exchange places. small diferences. so don't waste too much time of looking for the absolute best rate, is my suggestion. i know its important to some dudes to save a few extra baht but time can be the more important thing.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1191548]Tomjackin,
This is not true during the period between 11am and 12am in Bangkok, Although there are plenty of booth they aren't man whatsoever. I normally use Eva Air and arrive at 11:10 am or so, I don't know what happen in the last year but it has also been reported in many of the local English paper the last year regarding the long lines in Immigration arriving and departing.
I can confirm when arriving in Feb. Once out of the aircraft I like always pretty much fly to immigration to find that the lines have back up to the end of the ramp. In all the years coming I have never experience anything like this. I jocky up the ramp and see if I can find a shorter line which I did but not much shorter. Don't assume when you see passenger on the ramp that all lines are full. Passenger are confused and just stand around instead of moving or forcing themselves up the ramp to enter into other lines. By the time I got through immigration to get my bags it was over a hour! My bags were gone they had taken them away and put them in some corner to make room for other flights.
When I came back in mid July same thing, got to immigration this time it was backup to the top of the ramp and all open booths were full. Again I was watching which line were moving faster, who were in line, I try to stay out of lines that I feel have tour groups, families and especially Mideasterner (sorry) but lots of Chinese groups from China. I was in a line closes to where the Thai locals use and it was empty. With a few immigration walking around and looking at the situation then I notice these agents were picking out the Chinese tour groups and moving them to the empty Thai locals booth. I and a few others notice this and try to tag along but got stop so back to our regular line. As always I normally catch the Bell bus leaving for Pattaya at 12 noon, both times I miss the bus because of having to wait 45 minutes or more to get out! This time I was lucky, Bell bus happen to have a van come by with some extra passengers to drop off from Pattaya, and was able to take a number of passengers who also miss the 12 noon bus back to Pattaya at 12:30pm.
I recently met a guy who also uses Eva and they have a service VIP, not exactly how much but I remember something like 2, 000 baht and it allows you to use the other booths. He also confirm when he got to immigration the the lines were back down the ramp and was glad that he paid the extra money. As a lowly coach passenger I don't remember this service being offer but this guy was traveling Business?
When the airport open it seem new and improve but lately I don't know what has happen? I have run through some of the flight schedules from other airlines and don't notice any unusual that more increase flights are coming in at this particular period maybe someone else has an answer for the long delays?
LBM[/QUOTE]My experience is much the same, although I recall most of the booths are manned with a man or woman. Long lineups are the norm, whether I've arrived in the late morning or early evenings. This includes trips this year in late March, May and July. And other trips every year since 2007.
It helps if you rush to immigration, fly business class or sit near the front of the plane {to get off before others}, & have your immigration form filled out {though this can be done while waiting in the lineup}. Typical lineup waits are around 30 minutes and I've never had my bags disappear or be "gone".
Based on my experience I'd avoid choosing lineups with certain Asian types, not mentioning any specific country, who have a bad rep in LOS for being cheap rude and stinky. They tend to usher their buddies and family members who were behind you in the lineup to a point ahead of you. Any experienced Siam mongers will know of what nation I speak.
[quote=horndog 3;1191650]how save is it to walk around by ones self after midnight. i was thinking of going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s as my first stop to start thing off. should i only exchange a little bit of money at the airport and then more the next day at a bank?[/quote]i think syzygies covered this well. personally i'd feel fairly safe to at least 2 or 3 am, at least in relatively highly populated places. although i've seen the late night crowd, with their altered state of minds due to various substances, exhibiting dangerous behaviours just like one might expect in similar situations around the world. beyond three or four in the morning i've found it mostly deserted out there.
[quote=horndog 3;1191650]thanks for the input tomjackin and little big man. my flight comes in at 9:00 pm. i was just wondering how fast the lines move at that time of night. i have rtff about all of the mp, soapies and bj bars. how save is it to walk around by ones self after midnight. i was thinking of going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s as my first stop to start thing off. should i only exchange a little bit of money at the airport and then more the next day at a bank?[/quote]i usually get in around 11pm and have never taken more than 30 minutes from the plane to the taxi stand, including exchanging some money and getting a sim card. but i have also considered taking the vip service just for the fun of it. if i ever were to travel to bkk with someone on their first trip i would definitely do it.
pogo
[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1191513]Are you talking about immigration and customs in BKK? Or back in the USA? There are plenty of booths open at the new and improved airport in BKK, so it should not have much of a wait whatsoever. What takes longer, is for your bag to show up. Once you have your bag, customs is cake.[/QUOTE]I agree. Sometime the walk from the plane to the immigration can be long but not more than 10/15' at the end. There will never be more than 6-7 people ahed of you at the immigration booth (es)
Incase you fly buysiness class keep your baording pass and you can go through the business class-priority lane booth.
Immigration is a piece of cake.
I would not spend the 30-40$ another guy plans to.
Not as a cheap charlie, but just as a waste of money.
On the other hand there is people enjoying to take a limo service booking it while waiting for the luggage, not at a chaeap price.
Each one his own.
Enjoy BKK
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1192010]I agree. Sometime the walk from the plane to the immigration can be long but not more than 10/15' at the end. There will never be more than 6-7 people ahed of you at the immigration booth (es)
Immigration is a piece of cake.[/QUOTE]I have flown into BKK 8 times this year, and only once were the lines less than 10. Most of the time they are 35 to 40 minutes long with as many as 50 folks in every line. If the lines are backed up to the windows you can count on a at least a 1/2 hour wait.
My first trip to Pattaya last July. 6 hrs after I got there shut down for elections, the next week in BKK, shut down my last nite for buddah day.
Planning my next trip ot trips (grrrrr) , are there any other days I should be aware of? Is there somewhere I can look up these days such as elections and buddah days?
[QUOTE=Thee Hammer; 1192172]My first trip to Pattaya last July. 6 hrs after I got there shut down for elections, the next week in BKK, shut down my last nite for buddah day.
Planning my next trip ot trips (grrrrr) , are there any other days I should be aware of? Is there somewhere I can look up these days such as elections and buddah days?[/QUOTE]If you would seach he forum you will find what you want.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2176-Thailand-Holidays[/url]
Public Holidays:
2011 2012
New Year's Day 1 Jan 1 Jan
Makha Bucha Day 18 Feb 7 Feb
Chakri Day 6 Apr 6 Apr
Songkran Festival 13 Apr. 15 Apr 13 Apr. 15 Apr
National Labour Day 1 May 1 May
Coronation Day 5 May 5 May
Visakha Bucha Day 17 May 4 Jun
Asahna Bucha Day 16 Jul 2 Aug
H. M. Queen's Birthday 12 Aug 12 Aug
Chulalongkorn Day 23 Oct 23 Oct
H. M. King's Birthday 5 Dec 5 Dec
Constitution Day 10 Dec 10 Dec
New Year's Eve 31 Dec 31 Dec
Elections will vary in each provience, so you are on your own. You will find that after y0u leave BKK or Pattaya that the closures will be more often, money speacks in the tourist area, it is up to the local police if they feel like enforcing any holiday.
[QUOTE=Thee Hammer; 1192172]My first trip to Pattaya last July. 6 hrs after I got there shut down for elections, the next week in BKK, shut down my last nite for buddah day.
Planning my next trip ot trips (grrrrr) , are there any other days I should be aware of? Is there somewhere I can look up these days such as elections and buddah days?[/QUOTE]Besides what Lordfarq posted, I would totally avoid The week before and after January 23. That is Chinese New Year. Everything is open, but the place is a fricken zoo with Asian families from all over the world coming to celebrate.
Just post this in the BKK thread but figure it might be better if I posted this here instead.
Anyone have a list of good but cheap traditional thai massages places (the ones without sex). Looking to relax with a few sessions on my next time in BKK. Massage places near a subway or train stations a plus.
Also what are the going rates these days for a thai massage and how much is an average tip afterwards.
Thanks
Talks about how the new train service to / from BKK sux:
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/496840-suvarnabhumi-airport-rail-link-a-completely-inconvenient-means-of-travel/[/url]
[QUOTE=Freezone; 1195331]Just post this in the BKK thread but figure it might be better if I posted this here instead.
Anyone have a list of good but cheap traditional thai massages places (the ones without sex). Looking to relax with a few sessions on my next time in BKK. Massage places near a subway or train stations a plus.
Also what are the going rates these days for a thai massage and how much is an average tip afterwards.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I've used this place a number of times through another posted years ago. It is around the corner from Landmark Hotel on Soi 8, on the right hand side on the first side Soi, which is the location of Lotilas. I believe there are two on the corner one on each end, the one I use is across from the first one ( straight ahead not across left ) as you approach the Soi, Sorry can't remember the name? I believe the price was somethng like 200/250 baht per hour for Traditional massage I usually do a two hour and tip them 100 baht when I leave that is my rate and I have never been hit up for extra.
LBM
I was curious to know if anyone has flown Emirates from NYC to BKK with a layover in Dubai? If so did it break up the flight better than going through HK or Japan? Those are really long hauls to be on one plane.
Thanks.
Artisttyp
Due to the dismal $US/Baht exchange rate and general increase in prices, IMHO BKK is not a budget mongering destination anymore.
[QUOTE=David_33;1196491]Due to the dismal $US/Baht exchange rate and general increase in prices, IMHO BKK is not a budget mongering destination anymore.[/QUOTE]Depends on what you mean by [I]budget[/I]. If you want an Amsterdam-style quickie (ok looks, mechanical one-shot 30-min service in an ST hotel) , that can still be had in low-end Thai-oriented areas for 300-800 baht.
As for Farang-oriented bargirls who offer long-time, more-or-less GFE sessions... you just won't find them in many places outside of Thailand. Perhaps the Philippines, but that is a dump and has a comparably small scene. AC scene is 1/10 of Pattaya and Manila is less than 1/10 of Bangkok and not much cheaper, if at all.
You're correct that BKK scene deteriorated significantly over the last 5-10 years. The heyday is well and truly over. I remember a time when you could meet sweet 20-year old part-time freelancers from Chiang Mai down on lower Sukhumwit, and take them for a LT with no discussion on price (they were happy with 1000 baht in the morning). Now that zone is full of hardened, spent Thai hookers, along with African and Central Asian hags. Bars are more glitzy, but not much better.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1196478]I was curious to know if anyone has flown Emirates from NYC to BKK with a layover in Dubai? If so did it break up the flight better than going through HK or Japan? Those are really long hauls to be on one plane.[/QUOTE]Whether going east or west from NYC you are looking at damn near the same total time. Keep in mind that it is generally faster going west to east (due to tail wind/head wind) so going through Dubai is an hour and a half shorter for the NYC DXB flight but coming back it will be longer. Whereas going through Tokyo it may take longer going than Dubai but it will be shorter coming back. Also I do not think there are any quick connections once you get to Dubai so you will have to wait a few hours versus Tokyo.
1a) Flights from New York, NY (all airports) to Dubai, United Arab Emirates (DXB)
Non-stop flights: 2 per day. 12h 45m duration.
Airlines: Emirates.
1b) Flights from Dubai, United Arab Emirates (DXB) to Bangkok, Thailand (BKK)
Non-stop flights: 5 per day. 6h 32m duration.
Airlines: Emirates, Thai.
2a) Flights from New York, NY (all airports) to Narita, Japan (NRT)
Non-stop flights: 34 per day. 14h 11m duration.
Airlines: JAL, ANA, Delta, Continental.
2b) Flights from Narita, Japan (NRT) to Bangkok, Thailand (BKK)
Non-stop flights: 89 per day. 6h 39m duration.
Airlines: Thai, ANA, JAL, and 2 more.
3) Flights from Narita, Japan (NRT) to New York, NY (all airports)
Non-stop flights: 34 per day. 12h 45m duration.
Airlines: ANA, JAL, Delta, Continental.
4) Flights from Dubai, United Arab Emirates (DXB) to New York, NY (all airports)
Non-stop flights: 2 per day. 13h 45m duration.
Airlines: Emirates
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1196478]I was curious to know if anyone has flown Emirates from NYC to BKK with a layover in Dubai? If so did it break up the flight better than going through HK or Japan? Those are really long hauls to be on one plane. Thanks. Artisttyp[/QUOTE]Should you take a virtual private flight BKK-DXB-JFK, it will take some 21. 30hrs and 9899 miles.
Should you do the same via TYO it will be 9619 miles and nerly 21hrs, and via HKG account for just below 20hrs and 9121 miles.
Having said that, you really need to cross check the airlines timetable to see how much you spend in a layover in one of the connecting airports as arilines might have from 2 to more hrs connecting time. (you will anyhow change planes, whichever way you take.
On the other hand when you fly from Europe to Australia is not going to be mich more difference as "long stay on a plane".
[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1196478]I was curious to know if anyone has flown Emirates from NYC to BKK with a layover in Dubai? If so did it break up the flight better than going through HK or Japan? Those are really long hauls to be on one plane.
Thanks.
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]I always fly Emirates if I can, as the layover in DBX is first rate. The last 6 hours when flying direct I find really drags, so the layover in Dubai comes at just the right time!
Narita (Japan) is good for a layover, but inflight comfort depends of course on what airline! I have found US airlines and Air Canada to be pretty average at best.
With Emirates I find the service first rate, better than its Middle East rivals of Etihad (Abu Dabi) and Qatar (Doha) primarily because of the facilities at DBX.
Qatar is a pain because of the limited airport facilities. Etihad I would rate as second to Emirates.
If you get to frequent flyer status with Emirates, which actually doesn't take that long, you can avoid the queues and use business check-in and get automatic access.
to business class lounges at all departure points, and often get upgraded to business especially if the A380 is on the route, because they are used on the more popular
routes.
Also, if you have an Amex card you can gain access to the Marhaba business lounge at DBX even if you don't have the frequent flyer status.
(Apologies for the grammatical layout of this reply, I can't get it to post correctly!)
Cathay Pacific through Hong Kong. Hong Kong airport is the best.
[QUOTE=David_33;1196491]Due to the dismal $US/Baht exchange rate and general increase in prices, IMHO BKK is not a budget mongering destination anymore.[/QUOTE]OK, tell us 5 that are better in the overall experience for the money.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1196531]You could meet sweet 20-year old part-time freelancers from Chiang Mai down on lower Sukhumwit, and take them for a LT with no discussion on price (they were happy with 1000 baht in the morning). Now that zone is full of hardened, spent Thai hookers, along with African and Central Asian hags. Bars are more glitzy, but not much better.[/QUOTE]That is BS.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1196643]That is BS.[/QUOTE]Are you taking into account " over the last 5/10yeear, The heyday is well and truthfully over, I remember " Part? He isn't talking about today.
LBM
[QUOTE=Bonker04;1196544]I always fly Emirates if I can, as the layover in DBX is first rate. The last 6 hours when flying direct I find really drags, so the layover in Dubai comes at just the right time![/QUOTE]That's what I was thinking. I prefer that split better than the 17 hr haul to HK. This is all theoretical to me since I don't know if I have the stamina to deal with it. I'd be flying coach and probably be bouncing off the walls. Even with pills.
I would have a budget of $40 a day for hotel and $100 a day for all the other expenses including PFP. The usual rations.
Thank you for responding.
If I may I would like to ask a general sort of question. I'm visiting for the 2nd time in December and am arranging to have a massage lady (cougar) come stay with me 2 nights. We are sort of friends more than trick and john. But she has asked that I compensate her for time off work. I have no problem doing that. But here's the question. How much would you pay? I have agreed to 500 bt per day for her boss. I was thinking 1000 for her per day.
Any thoughts?
[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1196677]If I may I would like to ask a general sort of question. I'm visiting for the 2nd time in December and am arranging to have a massage lady (cougar) come stay with me 2 nights. We are sort of friends more than trick and john. But she has asked that I compensate her for time off work. I have no problem doing that. But here's the question. How much would you pay? I have agreed to 500 bt per day for her boss. I was thinking 1000 for her per day.
Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]If you're friends, what was the arrangement when you stayed together before?
You definitely DO NOT need to pay her boss, that's a scam. Middle-aged massage ladies are not exactly precious workers that the establishment depends on to draw business (like bars do). She can take unpaid time off, if she gets regular salary at all. More likely (90% likely) she just gets half of money for each massage she does, and zero for sitting around.
For a freelancer. 1000 baht / day is an acceptable going rate (although 500 is still probably more than what she earns at the massage shop. Unless she does extras). If you pay her less she'd be doing you a service. And you probably don't want a situation where you're still paying her, and she's also doing you a service (worst of both worlds).
[QUOTE=Bonker04; 1196544]I always fly Emirates if I can, as the layover in DBX is first rate. The last 6 hours when flying direct I find really drags, so the layover in Dubai comes at just the right time!
With Emirates I find the service first rate, better than its Middle East rivals of Etihad (Abu Dabi) and Qatar (Doha) primarily because of the facilities at DBX.
Qatar is a pain because of the limited airport facilities. Etihad I would rate as second to Emirates.[/QUOTE]Excellent. How about business or first on these 3 airlines?
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1196730]Excellent. How about business or first on these 3 airlines?[/QUOTE]Never tried First or Business with Qatar or Etihad, but I guess they would be very good.
Of my last 6 flights with Emirates, four were upgraded to business! Cannot fault them!
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1196639]OK, tell us 5 that are better in the overall experience for the money.[/QUOTE]The previous poster, Artisttyp is a budget monger's monger. My post was in reference to his. But I will say that the Philippines is generally much cheaper than LOS with much more GFE. Since my budget mongering days are thankfully in the past, I'm really not too concerned and just pay the going rates wherever I am.
I fly from the states to Thailand, the Philippines and Jakarta with Cathay Pacific in business or first class (with miles). It is considered the best airline by many. I find it morally difficult to give any money to Emirates or any of the other Middle Eastern carriers.
[QUOTE=David_33; 1196802]The previous poster, Artisttyp is a budget monger's monger. QUOTE]
What a title. You are correct. However I'd like to add that I used to own Rimowa luggage (valued at $500 a piece) until some Aholes at the Lima Airport tried to break into it.
I also don't want to scare people into thinking I am a street urchin. Which I am not. I come from a good home!
I am on a fixed income and have time to travel and stay for extended periods. Again on a fixed income. Time is money as the saying goes is extremely relevant to me. The better the rates the longer I get to stay. That's why I am always looking for the deals or the extended stay places.
My budget has been the same for years now. There's not much I can do about it. $40 a day for room and $100 a day for expenses. It isn't the high life but I'm not dumpster diving either.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1196811]
[QUOTE=David_33; 1196802]$40 a day for room and $100 for expenses. It isn't the high life but I'm not dumpster diving either.[/QUOTE]IMHO, check EVA airways and concentrate on Pattaya.
[QUOTE=David_33; 1196812]
[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1196811]IMHO, check EVA airways and concentrate on Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Pattaya was always part of the program. I thought that was a given for any monger that travels to Thailand. Bangkok would be more of an exploration / photography / food adventure. I will investigate the SD area of the DR some more as well. It makes sense since it's so close to NYC.
[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1196677]If I may I would like to ask a general sort of question. I'm visiting for the 2nd time in December and am arranging to have a massage lady (cougar) come stay with me 2 nights. We are sort of friends more than trick and john. But she has asked that I compensate her for time off work. I have no problem doing that. But here's the question. How much would you pay? I have agreed to 500 bt per day for her boss. I was thinking 1000 for her per day.
Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]If you and the girl agree with the 1000B per day number, that's good enough. What everyone else think doesn't matter, it's your money and her time, enjoy it.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1196847]
[QUOTE=David_33; 1196812]Pattaya was always part of the program. I thought that was a given for any monger that travels to Thailand. Bangkok would be more of an exploration / photography / food adventure. I will investigate the SD area of the DR some more as well. It makes sense since it's so close to NYC.[/QUOTE]So you are saying Bangkok is not a place for mongers? Just for Photography, exploration, and food?
[QUOTE=David_33;1196802]I find it morally difficult to give any money to Emirates or any of the other Middle Eastern carriers.[/QUOTE]May I ask why?
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1196895]
[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1196847]So you are saying Bangkok is not a place for mongers? Just for Photography, exploration, and food?[/QUOTE]I said this not david33. I was referring to whether or not mongering was an option for me in Bangkok on my budget. If it is not then I would need to move on over to Pattaya. This is IF I can't find anything for under $50.
[QUOTE=Bonker04;1196909]May I ask why?[/QUOTE]That should be obvious given last Sunday's date. I also resent the fact that I have to check my liquids and the time I waste waiting in airport security lines thanks to inhabitants of that part of the world. But no reason to get into politics on this thread.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1196921]I was referring to whether or not mongering was an option for me in Bangkok on my budget. If it is not then I would need to move on over to Pattaya. This is IF I can't find anything for under $50.[/QUOTE]I would suggest coming to Pattaya for most of your stay then spending the last two days in Bangkok so you will be able to make some kind of first hand comparison. Since I am a Cheap Charlie I like bargain basement. A Nana car park girl once told me when I was trying to get her for less than 1000 baht ST,"This is not Pattaya." In Pattaya you can get freelance LT (I'm talking a whole day) for 1, 000 baht as often as you want. Now if you are a bar or gogo guy then that is a horse of a different color.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1196860]If you and the girl agree with the 1000B per day number, that's good enough. What everyone else think doesn't matter, it's your money and her time, enjoy it.[/QUOTE]Will do. Many thanks for the advice all. I have offered her that and she gladly accepted. It's quite a while off but I'm looking forward to this trip. Last time was only 4 days.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1196921]
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1196895]I said this not david33. I was referring to whether or not mongering was an option for me in Bangkok on my budget. If it is not then I would need to move on over to Pattaya. This is IF I can't find anything for under $50.[/QUOTE]Khao San Road, Bangkok should suit your budget.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1196847]I will investigate the SD area of the DR some more as well. It makes sense since it's so close to NYC.[/QUOTE]
You should because given your budget and your amount of available time, WITH STRONG SPANISH SKILLS, there is a lot of gold and even some diamonds to be mined in that country.
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1196953]You should because given your budget and your amount of available time, WITH STRONG SPANISH SKILLS, there is a lot of gold and even some diamonds to be mined in that country.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your advice.
[QUOTE=David_33; 1196802]The previous poster, Artisttyp is a budget monger's monger. My post was in reference to his. But I will say that the Philippines is generally much cheaper than LOS with much more GFE. Since my budget mongering days are thankfully in the past, I'm really not too concerned and just pay the going rates wherever I am.
I fly from the states to Thailand, the Philippines and Jakarta with Cathay Pacific in business or first class (with miles). It is considered the best airline by many. I find it morally difficult to give any money to Emirates or any of the other Middle Eastern carriers.[/QUOTE]I agree with David_33. Why give money to people who hate us. I fly Cathay and they are always great.
[QUOTE=Member4917;1197005]I agree with David_33. Why give money to people who hate us. I fly Cathay and they are always great.[/QUOTE]Are you from US? Cathay Pacific likes you? They have a not so good relationship with the US Govt. Ever since they had to pay a $60 Mil fine a few years ago for Anti-trust violations. They probably are not your friend.
[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1196952]
[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1196921]Khao San Road, Bangkok should suit your budget.[/QUOTE]But you have to watch out. Many ho (s) tels near Khao san Road are not guest-friendly. Better check the hotel policy before you make a booking. My experience is that you better search for a hotel near Thanon Sukhumvit.
A quick search on.
[url]http://www.booking.com[/url]
Found some hotels well below the 40 USD / day mark.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1197207]Are you from US? Cathay Pacific likes you? They have a not so good relationship with the US Govt. Ever since they had to pay a $60 Mil fine a few years ago for Anti-trust violations. They probably are not your friend.[/QUOTE]I would respectfully disagree. I fly Cathay a lot, both from the US and in region. They code share with American Airlines and offer far superior service. Lie flat beds in business. Full VOD in every seat with current American titles, Hong Kong cinema and new movies from across asia.
On US flag carriers, staffing is based on tenure. The best routes to fly are the trans oceanic as you can fulfill your entire monthly flight quotes in just a few days of work. Needless to say, only the oldest attendants work these flights. On non-US carriers, there are more younger attendants who provide nice "service". Ok, not that kind of service
[QUOTE=Thee Hammer; 1192172]My first trip to Pattaya last July. 6 hrs after I got there shut down for elections, the next week in BKK, shut down my last nite for buddah day.
Planning my next trip ot trips (grrrrr) , are there any other days I should be aware of? Is there somewhere I can look up these days such as elections and buddah days?[/QUOTE]A poster listed all the holidays in Thailand. But not every holiday is a dry one. It would be nice to have a accurate thread on all the days which is dry. Also, need to know which days are based on lunar calendar.
Last trip, I experienced and wrote about 3 dry holidays in Thailand (got unlucky) :
Makha Bucha in February: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1124320&viewfull=1#post1124320[/url]
Buddist holiday in July or August for 2 days: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1048988&viewfull=1#post1048988[/url]
Dec 5; this was either because of the king's birthday or an election: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1100258&viewfull=1#post1100258[/url]
Khoa San Road does not have a good mongering scene. It does have cheap guesthouses for the monger on a budget; possible for get a room with A / C for $10; those type of rooms won't be on the internet. You can take local bus number 2 to get to Nana and Soi Cowboy.
$100 total per day is my budget, and you can monger in style, if you don't spend too many days in Bangkok or have too many lesbian sessions from the go-go bars. But things are getting more expensive; I might have to increase my budget, or spend more time in Laos.
Flying out of LA to Bangkok in economy, Cathay Pacific is a good option. Best option is Thai Airline; it has the most legroom out of all the airlines I've flown. But for the upcoming trip, I'm flying Cathay Pacific instead of Thai in order to save $500 (8 extra hours with less legroom, but I'm saving between 30 - 50 Phnom Penh BJs).
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1196639]OK, tell us 5 that are better in the overall experience for the money.[/QUOTE]Although Bangkok has great looking girls, the congestion and price are too much for me.
List of 5 that are better in terms of overall experience in relations to cost:
1) Phnom Penh (less girls, but still the cheapest. Although many people don't like it, it is a better overall experience for the money than Bangkok, IMO)
2) Angeles (better value than Bangkok; nothing else around except the bars)
3) Subic Bay / Puerto Galera (better value with the beach)
4) Pattaya (still the best overall experience in relations to cost, IMO)
5) Saigon (a value only if you are experienced or well read)
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1197244]Although Bangkok has great looking girls, the congestion and price are too much for me.
List of 5 that are better in terms of overall experience in relations to cost:
1) Phnom Penh (less girls, but still the cheapest. Although many people don't like it, it is a better overall experience for the money than Bangkok, IMO)
2) Angeles (better value than Bangkok; nothing else around except the bars)
3) Subic Bay / Puerto Galera (better value with the beach)
4) Pattaya (still the best overall experience in relations to cost, IMO)
5) Saigon (a value only if you are experienced or well read) [/QUOTE]Been to all of them and the only one that is close in my opinion is Pattaya. Again, for OVERALL mongering experience.
Also, if you stay in the right area and take the sky train to other spots, congestion is never an issue in BKK.
It seems like a lot of guys just want "the cheapest". Buy yourself a box of Skippy peanut butter and ship it with you to Africa. They will fuck you there for one jar of peanut butter. Chunky or smooth, it doesn't matter. Have yourself a blast!
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1197278]It seems like a lot of guys just want "the cheapest". Buy yourself a box of Skippy peanut butter and ship it with you to Africa. They will fuck you there for one jar of peanut butter. Chunky or smooth, it doesn't matter. Have yourself a blast![/QUOTE]A lot of people have limited resources and unlimited desire to fuck. Cost to get and stay at exotic destination is high and while you are there you want to make the most out of it. It makes huge difference if your pop is $30 or $100. I like to do 4-6 pops per day when mongering. If I can afford only one per day then it is just better to do it locally.
While in paradise temptation is high and you can easily go overboard. If cost is low you can indulge without thinking twice. Trips like that should be relaxing experiences that makes you feel elated when you get home and look forward to the next trip. Otherwise you can run wild and back home you feel stupid and remorseful that you spent beyond your means to pay for the addiction.
I would say that overwhelming majority of the people on this board fall into the category that I described and the key factor in their destination choice is the cost of women.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1197242]Khao San Road does not have a good mongering scene.[/QUOTE]Not quite true. Khao San Road itself is not amazing for mongering (though loose ladies are far from absent). However, if you cross Ratchadamnoen Klang (the big road to the south) , there's a fairly large area full of hookers. See the boundaries at: [url]http://g.co/maps/epscv[/url]. There are about 40-100 girls, asking rather low prices (300-800 ST + 100 for ST hotel). A number of girls don't look too bad (better than Sukhumwit freelancers) , but the area itself along with the hotels is rock-bottom and only for those with a strong stomach. Not my cup of tea, just throwing in 2 cents since we were discussing [I]cheap[/I] Places.
[QUOTE=Hedonian;1197425]I would say that overwhelming majority of the people on this board fall into the category that I described and the key factor in their destination choice is the cost of women.[/QUOTE]
If cost is the main issue, then Frankfurt or Amsterdam win hands-down for most European mongers. Basic suck & fuck costs 30-50 euro in those places. If you count the airfare, Asia can't beat that. Still, I see plenty of Germans (and Dutch) in Thailand. When technical aspect of sex service is considered, a German FKK ends up a good value... but something is definitely missing.
For most guys, the main draw is a large, relaxed scene (can't beat the candy shop feel of Pattaya), having wide-open choice, instead of being confined to a zone with 50 girls serving 200 men per day. Equally important is the GFE and feeling of being in control rather than on the clock. With European hookers, there's no option of having them stay over for a few days. Even though I rarely take that option and limit myself to STs, just having it open is meaningful.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1197500]Not quite true. Khao San Road itself is not amazing for mongering (though loose ladies are far from absent). However, if you cross Ratchadamnoen Klang (the big road to the south) , there's a fairly large area full of hookers. See the boundaries at:
[url]http://g.co/maps/epscv[/url]
There are about 40-100 girls, asking rather low prices (300-800 ST + 100 for ST hotel). A number of girls don't look too bad (better than Sukhumwit freelancers) , but the area itself along with the hotels is rock-bottom and only for those with a strong stomach. Not my cup of tea, just throwing in 2 cents since we were discussing [I]cheap[/I] Places.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.
I've never explored that area south of Khao San Road. The Khao San scene (with its loose backpackers) has spread north and northwest of the road.
Any particular street the FLs hang out at?
I will try to explore that area the next time I'm around there.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1197503]For most guys, the main draw is a large, relaxed scene.
Equally important is the GFE and feeling of being in control rather than on the clock.[/QUOTE]I definitely agree. Although since I'm on a $100 a day budget, price is still very important to me.
I like the attitude of the girls. It's amazing that many of the girls are working there to support their families (either her parents or her baby or both). Although you have exceptions with hard core drug addicted girls, I find that to be the exception rather than the norm.
I've had horrible experiences in the US due to the attitude of the girls. I still remember that middle aged Korean girl in the Asian Massage Parlor saying "are you crazy!" when I asked for 20 minutes of BJ in a 30 minute session (which normally they will try to rush you out in 15-20 minutes).
$150 for a lousy effort with a Korean girl in an AMP, or $30 - $60 for a drug addicted SW in an unsafe area. Geez, I hate the P4P scene in the US.
[QUOTE=Hedonian; 1197425]A lot of people have limited resources and unlimited desire to fuck. Cost to get and stay at exotic destination is high and while you are there you want to make the most out of it. It makes huge difference if your pop is $30 or $100. I like to do 4-6 pops per day when mongering. If I can afford only one per day then it is just better to do it locally.
While in paradise temptation is high and you can easily go overboard. If cost is low you can indulge without thinking twice. Trips like that should be relaxing experiences that makes you feel elated when you get home and look forward to the next trip. Otherwise you can run wild and back home you feel stupid and remorseful that you spent beyond your means to pay for the addiction.
I would say that overwhelming majority of the people on this board fall into the category that I described and the key factor in their destination choice is the cost of women.[/QUOTE]This is me to the T. Lately I've been having second thoughts about how I monger but I like the constant travel. I'm good for 2 nuts a day. If I can't afford two then there has to be a lot to do to keep me busy. Otherwise I regret showing up. Recently I've become a foodie so places that offer good food at fair prices is just as pleasing to me as sex (sort of). I suggest every monger think of a hobby to do while mongering that doesn't include spending lots of money or sex.
I've come back from a few trips lately thinking " What did I blow 5k on?". This is to bang street walkers mind you.
At the moment there are VERY few places in latin america for example where a good deal is to be had. If you do find it then chances are you have to compromise in other ways like early nights (central america) or traffic jams (Lima). In some ways I just want to sit on my money for a while and let it grow for future "hopefully" better times. That's why I've been doing Tijuana trips more. Cheap easy to do food is good. I just don't get the off the wall sessions from girls like I would in someplace like Lima BUT I don't have nearly the same expenses either.
$100 is a lot of money for some people. Unfortunately it is worth a lot less these days.
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1197537]I definitely agree. Although since I'm on a $100 a day budget, price is still very important to me.
I like the attitude of the girls. It's amazing that many of the girls are working there to support their families (either her parents or her baby or both). Although you have exceptions with hard core drug addicted girls, I find that to be the exception rather than the norm.
I've had horrible experiences in the US due to the attitude of the girls. I still remember that middle aged Korean girl in the Asian Massage Parlor saying "are you crazy!" when I asked for 20 minutes of BJ in a 30 minute session (which normally they will try to rush you out in 15-20 minutes).
$150 for a lousy effort with a Korean girl in an AMP, or $30. $60 for a drug addicted SW in an unsafe area. Geez, I hate the P4P scene in the US.[/QUOTE]To Greenbud,
I think you mean 100 USD a day budget in Thailand, I just return after spending one week last month in Thailand it is not easy to spend less than 100 USD a day in Bangkok a day now maybe in Pattaya if you stay in cheap hotel and do the beach Road girl st, I remeber 10 yr ago when the dollar get 48 bht you can spend average 100 USD a day in Bangkok even in Phuket with no problem, the last trip I spend about 1200 USD 4 day in Pattaya and 3 night in Bangkok and the most I paid for p4p is 2200 bht at
A massage place in Bangkok and I was staying at 1200 bht a night hotel.
Fast Eddie 48
100 bucks. it is easy.
first, i spend at least $100 just on my hotel.
but, there is a place near the action off soi 8 called the royal asia hotel. about $21 a night. you can eat easily for $19 a day, probably a lot less.
that leaves $60. for $60, you can fuck 2 decent girls from biergarten, nana sw, or suk sw near soi 3/5. or, go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s once, then fuck a girl from one of the places i mentioned. these are just a few, but there are many possiblities.
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1197537]I've had horrible experiences in the US due to the attitude of the girls. I still remember that middle aged Korean girl in the Asian Massage Parlor saying "are you crazy!" when I asked for 20 minutes of BJ in a 30 minute session (which normally they will try to rush you out in 15-20 minutes).
$150 for a lousy effort with a Korean girl in an AMP, or $30. $60 for a drug addicted SW in an unsafe area. Geez, I hate the P4P scene in the US.[/QUOTE]I hear ya! I check the boards around here in the US and the guys are ranting about some "hottie" that is popular among mongers. Then you will eventually see her mug shot when she gets busted and see that she is a total skank. Or they post pics of SWs that I would not force on to my worst enemy.
Airfare and hotels are cheap compared to arrests, divorces and lawyers. The walk of shame in a hotel lobby is MUCH better than the shame of being perp-walked into jail. $200 for a half hour with a worn out, drug addled ho or less than $100 for all night with a young beauty?
I hate the US. I just keep it in my pants when I am here. I can't wait to retire and get out of here for good!
Pogo
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1197546]I suggest every monger think of a hobby to do while mongering that doesn't include spending lots of money or sex.[/QUOTE]These are wise words indeed. For married mongers, a hobby that incorporates travel is essential. Even though I travel a lot on business, scuba and photography are my excuses for staying extra days or spending extra money. I have friends that dive, sail, golf, fly and a host of other hobbies as an excuse to go to exotic mongering destinations. One guy claims to be a world class hunter, specializing in ducks. He travels the world, and buys stuffed trophy ducks to bring home and occasionally gets a photo of him with a gun and a duck. His wife thinks he goes for the hunting but he says he travels for the kunting.
Hobbies are good things!
Pogo
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1198475]To Greenbud,
I think you mean 100 USD a day budget in Thailand, I just return after spending one week last month in Thailand it is not easy to spend less than 100 USD a day in Bangkok a day now maybe in Pattaya if you stay in cheap hotel and do the beach Road girl st, I remeber 10 yr ago when the dollar get 48 bht you can spend average 100 USD a day in Bangkok even in Phuket with no problem, the last trip I spend about 1200 USD 4 day in Pattaya and 3 night in Bangkok[/QUOTE]$100 US isn't what it use to be. It's hard to travel in style in Thailand at that budget. It can be easily done if you can accept middle class standards and limit your expensive experiences.
Since my budget is $100 average per day for my entire trip, I plan to spend less time in Thailand in order to spend more per day in Thailand while I"m there.
You get great guesthouse / hotel values (good rooms with A / C, bathroom and maybe cable and wi-fi for between $12 - $30) in Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos. Mongering is great in Cambodia, and Vietnam it seems can be very good. Laos (Vientiane) has some places, but the scene seems to be discrete.
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1199488]$100 US isn't what it use to be. It's hard to travel in style in Thailand at that budget. It can be easily done if you can accept middle class standards and limit your expensive experiences.
Since my budget is $100 average per day for my entire trip, I plan to spend less time in Thailand in order to spend more per day in Thailand while I"m there.
You get great guesthouse / hotel values (good rooms with A / C, bathroom and maybe cable and wi-fi for between $12. $30) in Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos. Mongering is great in Cambodia, and Vietnam it seems can be very good. Laos (Vientiane) has some places, but the scene seems to be discrete.[/QUOTE]I just did an Agoda search for Bangkok, suk area and ordered it from 1-5* There were dozens of hotels under $50, many under $30. The Miami on soi 13 didn't look bad for $28 and had some decent reviews.
Personally I wouldn't stay there now, but only because I am fortunate enough to stay in top end hotels and usually on the club floors. In my earlier days I would have loved a place like the Miami. Basic accommodations, right in the heart of the action for a cheap price. Even now, in some parts of the Caribbean I pay almost $200 for a place that is probably a lot worse than the Miami. But it is exactly where I need to be so I deal with it. I can stay anywhere, but I do like nicer places when possible or practical.
Dig in and find the bargains. They are out there. The world can still be a cheap place to explore.
Pogo
Bust a move: Breast-slapping new health craze in Thailand.
Want bigger breasts but shy away from the idea of surgery? Thailand claims to have the answer.
Already famous for its medical tourism services including cheap breast implants Thailand is promoting a 'body slapping' technique that it claims can boost breast size, according to a video by the Bangkok Post.
It has even licensed one beauty shop in Bangkok to perform the non-surgical treatment, which involves kneading, massaging and hitting of the breasts, as well as buttock-slapping to firm the rear.
The traditional therapy has been practised by shop owner Khemmikka Na Songkhla better known as Khunying Tobnom for more than two decades. She claims the slapping shifts fat from one area to another, while kneading works excess fat towards the breasts.
She has approval from the Thai Government to carry out the technique after a study by the Thai Health Ministry reportedly found vigorous massage left volunteers' breasts noticeably bigger. The Ministry went so far as to sponsor a program that urged women to learn how to slap their own breasts.
Clients can expect to gain about 5cm after the painful treatment, Tobnom said. However some are turned away as their breasts are too small.
The clinic charges $380 for six 10-minute slapping sessions
Usually when meeting a new lady for the first time, one of the very first questions they will ask is,"How long are you staying in Thailand?" Also when contacting them while away and setting up plans to meet them on a return trip, they will always ask this. What is the purpose of this question; what information are they trying to glean? What is the best way to answer this question?
[QUOTE=Dad Fun 555;1201662]Usually when meeting a new lady for the first time, one of the very first questions they will ask is,"How long are you staying in Thailand?" Also when contacting them while away and setting up plans to meet them on a return trip, they will always ask this. What is the purpose of this question; what information are they trying to glean? What is the best way to answer this question?[/QUOTE]You are right. They do always ask those questions. I think most of it is just general conversation such as" where you from" "You been here before" etc. Another one is "where you staying".
Depending on the situtation however, I have to admit that I am not always truthful about my answers. For me it is just a feel for the interaction with the girl that dictates what I am going to say.
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1200204]Bust a move: Breast-slapping new health craze in Thailand.
The clinic charges $380 for six 10-minute slapping sessions[/QUOTE]WoW. Are you kidding me? Do girls actually go for such things? 380$ for 10 mins. Damn I should come up with something like that as well to mint money! LOL
It seems a bit dated but interesting.
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It says it in Venezula but I figure its probably similer to the resorts in the Dr.
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Hi,
Angus here from the Berlin, Germany FKK threads.
I am not visiting Thailand myself but a friend is going next week and he was asking me a few questions this evening. As I could not answer satisfactorily I thought I would come here and might get some answers. I visited Thailand some 8 years back so my knowledge is kind of sketchy.
First this will not really be a mongering related trip for him. He will travel through BKK to Chang Mai and then spend 10 days at a northern resort. After that he will spend 4-5 days in Chang Mai relaxing, maybe getting some massage and seeing the sights.
He was asking about money, best way to change it and how much to bring. His plan was to bring around 1000 spending money. That is the travel and hotels are paid (except for Chang Mai but he plans to use Visa for that) and this cash would be general spending. I thought this was a pretty high figure for 4-5 days knocking around. Am I right? And where would he be best to change the money to Thai Baht? Banks? Money Changers?
Second he asked what is the standard electrical outlet in Thailand?
Third (and this is really for me).I asked him to try to purchase for me a small supply of viagra and cialis tablets. Where would be the best place to do this? Can he buy them at any pharmacy? Is there anything he needs to watch out for? What can he expect to pay for, say 6 tablets of each drug?
Thanks in advance and if any of you come to Berlin and need info be sure to contact me here or on my blog.
[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/[/url]
AM
In Bangkok there are better money changers than bank rates, best to ask in the CM forum.
100 euro notes are best and maybe some 20 euro notes for the last day and does not need 100 euros worth,
Again in Bangkok the plugs are the round German ones plus the flat USA ones, both in one soclet and 220v like Germany.
Viagra etc can probably be found around tourist area at drug stores, do not buy on the street,
200 euros (10, 000 baht) a day to party will get him a long way, almost hard to spend that much unless he is buying drinks for everyone.
Hope that helps.
BK
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1209177]Hi,
Angus here from the Berlin, Germany FKK threads.
I am not visiting Thailand myself but a friend is going next week and he was asking me a few questions this evening. As I could not answer satisfactorily I thought I would come here and might get some answers. I visited Thailand some 8 years back so my knowledge is kind of sketchy.
First this will not really be a mongering related trip for him. He will travel through BKK to Chang Mai and then spend 10 days at a northern resort. After that he will spend 4-5 days in Chang Mai relaxing, maybe getting some massage and seeing the sights.
He was asking about money, best way to change it and how much to bring. His plan was to bring around 1000 spending money. That is the travel and hotels are paid (except for Chang Mai but he plans to use Visa for that) and this cash would be general spending. I thought this was a pretty high figure for 4-5 days knocking around. Am I right? And where would he be best to change the money to Thai Baht? Banks? Money Changers?
Second he asked what is the standard electrical outlet in Thailand?
Third (and this is really for me). I asked him to try to purchase for me a small supply of viagra and cialis tablets. Where would be the best place to do this? Can he buy them at any pharmacy? Is there anything he needs to watch out for? What can he expect to pay for, say 6 tablets of each drug?
Thanks in advance and if any of you come to Berlin and need info be sure to contact me here or on my blog.
[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/[/url]
AM[/QUOTE]1. Go to a bank to exchange. He will have money left over.
2. 220 outlet.
3. Over the counter at pharmacy. I don't need the stuff, but probably 500-750 baht for 6.
Thanks gents. Good info and tells me pretty much what I needed to know. ISG is also one of the best general travel resources I know.
AM
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1209225]1. Go to a bank to exchange. He will have money left over.
2. 220 outlet.
3. Over the counter at pharmacy. I don't need the stuff, but probably 500-750 baht for 6.[/QUOTE]1. I personally prefer banks. On an overall sum of 1000 any wandering around in search for the big deal is worthless and a waste of time.
Taking into account general costs for single expenses, (such as MP's, ST or LT fees, food, bars, bar fines) , I would not change more than 200 at a time. If any money left can be used when paying hotel bill topping up the difference with the credit cards.
Thailand is a "real cash" country. Credit card use is often penalized by a 5 to 10% surcharge if accepted at all.
Being also a pretty safe country carrying 4/5000b. (but less is well enough) doesn't represent an issue from a safety point if view. Unless one doesn't overspend very difficult to spend more than 50/70 a day, and this means being treating oneself very well. A decent meal in a Thai restaurant can be from 5 to 10 on the expensive side, less than 5 and still great on the conservative side.
2. 220V outlet with. 99% of the cases, sockets accepting both US flat pins and the European round pins.
3. Didn't buy blue or ylw tablets but recently purchased green Kamagra for a friend at 400b. For 4 tablets of 100mg (bought at the small pharmacy opposite NEP entrance in BKK.
Tens of street stalls vending all the rainbow colours tablets but I would not even touch the box, LOL.
I'm going to be in the Bangkok area for three nights soon and was planning on staying in Pattaya but while doing research I saw comments to the effect that Pattaya is where the old bar girls go after working in one of the Bangkok RLDs when they can no longer make enough money there. Is there any truth to that?
Where would you find the largest selection of cute 20-25 year olds? Pattaya walking street, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Nana?
Any suggestions for an up-scale hotel within walking distance of a RLD?
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=SexPerimenter; 1209951]I'm going to be in the Bangkok area for three nights soon and was planning on staying in Pattaya but while doing research I saw comments to the effect that Pattaya is where the old bar girls go after working in one of the Bangkok RLDs when they can no longer make enough money there. Is there any truth to that?
Where would you find the largest selection of cute 20-25 year olds? Pattaya walking street, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Nana?
Any suggestions for an up-scale hotel within walking distance of a RLD?
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]I would go to Soi Cowboy first, Nana second, and Pattaya if you take the trip down. There is young and old in Pattaya, but the cost of living in Pattaya is lower for thais, so if they are earning less they may go there. Also, Patpong is the best known starting spot for freshies from the Bush, you can strike a few young ones there, try Cosmos, ordinary bar, but of course have lady to take care.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1209177]Hi,
Angus here from the Berlin, Germany FKK threads.
I am not visiting Thailand myself but a friend is going next week and he was asking me a few questions this evening. As I could not answer satisfactorily I thought I would come here and might get some answers. I visited Thailand some 8 years back so my knowledge is kind of sketchy.
First this will not really be a mongering related trip for him. He will travel through BKK to Chang Mai and then spend 10 days at a northern resort. After that he will spend 4-5 days in Chang Mai relaxing, maybe getting some massage and seeing the sights.
He was asking about money, best way to change it and how much to bring. His plan was to bring around 1000 spending money. That is the travel and hotels are paid (except for Chang Mai but he plans to use Visa for that) and this cash would be general spending. I thought this was a pretty high figure for 4-5 days knocking around. Am I right? And where would he be best to change the money to Thai Baht? Banks? Money Changers?
Second he asked what is the standard electrical outlet in Thailand?
Third (and this is really for me). I asked him to try to purchase for me a small supply of viagra and cialis tablets. Where would be the best place to do this? Can he buy them at any pharmacy? Is there anything he needs to watch out for? What can he expect to pay for, say 6 tablets of each drug?
Thanks in advance and if any of you come to Berlin and need info be sure to contact me here or on my blog.
[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/[/url]
AM[/QUOTE]Drink only bottled water. And that includes brushing your teeth. In the past, brushing your teeth with tap water was probably olkay, but at the moment at my place on Ladprao Road AND at my city place on Sukhumvit 64. The water is tinted yellowish. Apparently there is either contamination because of the floods OR they are purposely putting "extra" chemicals into the treatment process to preempt the flood contamination. Either way, not a good deal to be soaking in it.
Money changing isn't black and white. If you have a bank that doesn't charge for overseas ATM withdrawals, that might be the best bet.
Viagra, Cialis, etc. , even generics, are all overpriced. $4 a pill is often the norm here. But online, you can get it sent to your home and just bring some with you. Myself I pay something like 70 cents a pill for unbranded sildenafil 100 mg.
Oh, and one more thing because of the flooding, many places are a bit understaffed because people are off evacuating their homes!
Have a good trip!
If this link is ok with the forum's rules, it might be helpful for beginners in Thailand:
[url]http://soapy-massage.com/index.html[/url]
[QUOTE=SexPerimenter; 1209951]I'm going to be in the Bangkok area for three nights soon and was planning on staying in Pattaya but while doing research I saw comments to the effect that Pattaya is where the old bar girls go after working in one of the Bangkok RLDs when they can no longer make enough money there. Is there any truth to that?
Where would you find the largest selection of cute 20-25 year olds? Pattaya walking street, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Nana?
Any suggestions for an up-scale hotel within walking distance of a RLD?
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Pattaya hotel near RLD? Close your eyes and pick one because THE ENTIRE CITY IS A RLD.
There's a documentary circulating on the net called Girlfriends for Sale. It's a documentary about Thai girls trying to snap up foreign guys for a better life. What's new right? Well, this video contains a clip of the "best falang husband" contest that takes place in Issan somewhere and celebrates the biggest Kwai to marry a gold-digging bar girl. As we know, not all falang / bar girl relationships are the same, but this contest is portrayed in a manner whereby the biggest falang loser, wins.
I'm sure you'll all get a good laugh out of the narrator's assertion that these girls have no other choice, but to sell themselves to falangs so that they can have a better life. Don't mind that the girl featured in the documentary goes home to a mom that has a good job, house with aircon, jewelry and a car. In my view, there are only two categories of working girls in Thailand: those sold into prostitution for which I have pity and those that are lazy bitches who don't want to work at Big C by day and study when they can like the masses do. I shed no tears for these lazy hoes and its complete bullshit to believe their aren't other viable options to improve their circumstances aside from selling their pussies. But, alas, I'm thankful they do.
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Cheers,
J Ride
[QUOTE=J Ride; 1212489]There's a documentary circulating on the net called Girlfriends for Sale. It's a documentary about Thai girls trying to snap up foreign guys for a better life. What's new right? Well, this video contains a clip of the "best falang husband" contest that takes place in Issan somewhere and celebrates the biggest Kwai to marry a gold-digging bar girl. As we know, not all falang / bar girl relationships are the same, but this contest is portrayed in a manner whereby the biggest falang loser, wins.
I'm sure you'll all get a good laugh out of the narrator's assertion that these girls have no other choice, but to sell themselves to falangs so that they can have a better life. Don't mind that the girl featured in the documentary goes home to a mom that has a good job, house with aircon, jewelry and a car. In my view, there are only two categories of working girls in Thailand: those sold into prostitution for which I have pity and those that are lazy bitches who don't want to work at Big C by day and study when they can like the masses do. I shed no tears for these lazy hoes and its complete bullshit to believe their aren't other viable options to improve their circumstances aside from selling their pussies. But, alas, I'm thankful they do.
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Cheers,
J Ride[/QUOTE]Having watched the link it seems the "best falang husband" competition is purely a bit of fun to see who has learnt the most about Thailand and its culture, its not about being a loser or marrying a gold digger.
The sad fact here is that you presume the worst and try to insinuate the worst, when in fact it appears to be just harmless fun.
As far as Thai girls go there are no two categories, although the popular mass media attempts to protray this time and time again, in the same way they always portray Jews as stingy or Germans as arrogant or French as stinking of garlic etc.
There is a whole spectrum of girls, just as there are in any country and you can find as many gold diggers in Europe or the USA as you can in Asia.
You can also find as many "losers" in Europe or the USA, just look at the divorce rates in those area's.
Every country has everything, from losers to winners to gold diggers to prostitutes etc.
Had originally planned to visit BKK (arriving next week) for few days then take overnight train to CM. Heard some parts of BKK underwater but most areas spared and also CM was not really affected by the current floods. But have trouble finding info if the trains from BKK to CM was affected as alot of areas between these 2 cities were underwater.
Anyone have any info on the current train situation between BKK and CM?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Freezone; 1212758]Had originally planned to visit BKK (arriving next week) for few days then take overnight train to CM. Heard some parts of BKK underwater but most areas spared and also CM was not really affected by the current floods. But have trouble finding info if the trains from BKK to CM was affected as alot of areas between these 2 cities were underwater.
Anyone have any info on the current train situation between BKK and CM?
Thanks[/QUOTE]That train resumed services today.
I have gotten an email from a WG (26- 28 year old The Dollhouse / Soi Cowboy) gogo dancer I met 1. 5 years ago) who says she is back home in Surin and reports that flooding is keeping her from, um apparently honest, work. I have been in occasional email contact with her and her recent message is the first appeal for money over time. I am inclined to believe she really is in dire straits (but aren't they all, really?).
Under the circumstances I feel compelled to help out with about $200 USD. (I harbor no illusions of getting anything in return and this is pure philanthropy. She was a memorable, all-time fuck. Certainly I am not the only one in the outreach effort, though I was first to contact her in inquiry of how her family was faring with all the bad news.)
So, to cut to the point, does anyone have any knowledge of how bad things are in Surin. As in flooding a big problem? Unless I hear that the sad tale is total B. S. (and, say Surin is bone-dry) , I'll wire the girl a little money.
Thanks, in advance, for any intel.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1213617]I have gotten an email from a WG (26- 28 year old The Dollhouse / Soi Cowboy) gogo dancer I met 1. 5 years ago) who says she is back home in Surin and reports that flooding is keeping her from, um apparently honest, work. I have been in occasional email contact with her and her recent message is the first appeal for money over time. I am inclined to believe she really is in dire straits (but aren't they all, really?).
Under the circumstances I feel compelled to help out with about $200 USD. (I harbor no illusions of getting anything in return and this is pure philanthropy. She was a memorable, all-time fuck. Certainly I am not the only one in the outreach effort, though I was first to contact her in inquiry of how her family was faring with all the bad news.)
So, to cut to the point, does anyone have any knowledge of how bad things are in Surin. As in flooding a big problem? Unless I hear that the sad tale is total B. S. (and, say Surin is bone-dry) , I'll wire the girl a little money.
Thanks, in advance, for any intel.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]I was in Sisaket about two weeks ago, just east of Surin, and there was a lot of flooding. I took the train from Ubon Ratchathani to Bangkok and saw a lot of water everywhere.
This map indicates there are floods in Surin: [url]http://flood.longdo.com/?lang=en[/url]
You opened the "help me" door by contacting her. If you send her the money she will (might) never forget you. And, if you see her again, you will be rewarded. $200 (6000 baht) will go a long way to help her family.
Even if the money goes to her Thai boyfriend, you can feel good that you helped someone! ;)
Remember, if you wire via Western Union she will need your full name to pick up the money.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1213623]I was in Sisaket about two weeks ago, just east of Surin, and there was a lot of flooding. I took the train from Ubon Ratchathani to Bangkok and saw a lot of water everywhere.
This map indicates there are floods in Surin:
[url]http://flood.longdo.com/?lang=en[/url]
You opened the "help me" door by contacting her. If you send her the money she will (might) never forget you. And, if you see her again, you will be rewarded. $200 (6000 baht) will go a long way to help her family.
Even if the money goes to her Thai boyfriend, you can feel good that you helped someone! .
Remember, if you wire via Western Union she will need your full name to pick up the money.[/QUOTE]Fon Tok,
Many thanks for the information, and coming from a person whose posts I enjoy reading at that!
Armed with confirmation about the bad news in Surin, I will send her the modest sum. Doubt that I'll ever see her again, but I do have warm memories of a day of touristing (among other things) with her, so cannot complain. I'll consider it at least a belated tip for services rendered and figure that the money is indeed truly needed. Have been in touch, very occasionally, with her since meeting her 1. 5 years ago, and this is the first time help was solicited, it seems (cough, cough) honest, as far as that goes. Thanks again, and cheers!
[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1213631]Fon Tok,
Many thanks for the information, and coming from a person whose posts I enjoy reading at that!
Armed with confirmation about the bad news in Surin, I will send her the modest sum. Doubt that I'll ever see her again, but I do have warm memories of a day of touristing (among other things) with her, so cannot complain. I'll consider it at least a belated tip for services rendered and figure that the money is indeed truly needed. Have been in touch, very occasionally, with her since meeting her 1. 5 years ago, and this is the first time help was solicited, it seems (cough, cough) honest, as far as that goes. Thanks again, and cheers![/QUOTE]Most important is to be aware of what you are doing and you seem to be.
Sometime we waste more money for much less.
And it is good to feel a bit of a philantrop.
Washes out some of our "sins", and that is not hypocrisy!
For once it is good to give money to a WG girl not expecting anything in return.
Just don't get into the ATM syndrome after this, but you look wise enough.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1213671]Most important is to be aware of what you are doing and you seem to be.
Sometime we waste more money for much less.
And it is good to feel a bit of a philantrop.
Washes out some of our "sins", and that is not hypocrisy!
For once it is good to give money to a WG girl not expecting anything in return.
Just don't get into the ATM syndrome after this, but you look wise enough.[/QUOTE]Yes, I do not plan to send more than the amount states. Sponsorship opportunites not available, and one must realize that this young lady, having danced at The Dollhouse in Cowboy, has seen more dick than the Man U locker room.
Is there anywhere else in the world where you can:
1. Pay $40 a night for a hotel in a prime location such that you can.
2. Walk outside to dozens of street walking hookers w / I a 10 minute walk.
3. Or phone ladies to come to your room for only $30 ST.
4. Some being stunners 8-10s, many being above average 6-7. 5, most being doable.
5. And many are willing to BB for a tip, plus.
6. The country is one of the safest in Asia, comparable to Western nations and.
7. There is a world class hospital minutes away where you get service quickly.
8. There are markets 7-11's restaurants, etc nearby, and huge malls w / I minutes by skytrain.
9. Plus you don't need to know any of their lingo.
Let me know if anywhere in the world is like that, or even half as good. I doubt it.
And there are a number of other benefits I didn't even mention.
Philipines is too dangerous.
China, too dangerous and you need to speak the lingo.
Hong Kong, too expensive and lingo issues.
Germany, too expensive.
Brazil, too dangerous
[QUOTE=J Ride; 1212489]I shed no tears for these lazy hoes and its complete bullshit to believe their aren't other viable options to improve their circumstances aside from selling their pussies. But, alas, I'm thankful they do.
J Ride[/QUOTE]Why do you have to denigrate girls you want to fuck? Take a look at yourself.
Sex work is a well paid profession for Thai girls. If they had a better paid option, they would take it.
Everybody takes the highest paid job for the least work. Its only natural.
Okay Some Thai won't sell their pussy even though they would make far more money.
They just don't like the idea of putting up with asshole guys and its against their particular religion or morals, etc.
Each person makes their own decision.
Personally I believe sex is good. I don't understand the stigma behind selling and buying it. It seems to be some plot by men.
Over the ages who always wanted to get it for free, and there are bullshit religious rules that are antequated,
Based on the fears that girls will get pregnant irresponsibly.
In days of Birth Control, the religious belief that you must fuck only your wife, are well past they're used by date, IMHO.
We all believe that selling sex is good, otherwise we wouldn't be buying.
I never got as good sex from my ex-wife, so for me, its much cheaper to not have a girlfriend or wife.
Okay I have had a few really fabulous freebies, even from girls that have previously been selling, but its still a lot easier to buy.
I also have sex with girls that have a normal boyfriend / husband, when that guy is not providing them with what they need, emotionally or sexually. These needs are a natural biological thing. I have never ever got sufficient sex from just one girl, other than for a fairly short term, e. G. Like maybe a week. I need to buy. I need lots of pretty girls to sell.
I am very thankful that they can't all find better paid jobs.
Just a quick question. Has anyone ever found a working girl in Thailand that can take a good face fucking?
[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1213617]I have gotten an email from a WG (26- 28 year old The Dollhouse / Soi Cowboy) gogo dancer I met 1. 5 years ago) who says she is back home in Surin and reports that flooding is keeping her from, um apparently honest, work. I have been in occasional email contact with her and her recent message is the first appeal for money over time. I am inclined to believe she really is in dire straits (but aren't they all, really?).
Under the circumstances I feel compelled to help out with about $200 USD. (I harbor no illusions of getting anything in return and this is pure philanthropy. She was a memorable, all-time fuck. Certainly I am not the only one in the outreach effort, though I was first to contact her in inquiry of how her family was faring with all the bad news.)
So, to cut to the point, does anyone have any knowledge of how bad things are in Surin. As in flooding a big problem? Unless I hear that the sad tale is total B. S. (and, say Surin is bone-dry) , I'll wire the girl a little money.
Thanks, in advance, for any intel.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1213631]Armed with confirmation about the bad news in Surin, I will send her the modest sum. Doubt that I'll ever see her again, but I do have warm memories of a day of touristing (among other things) with her, so cannot complain. I'll consider it at least a belated tip for services rendered and figure that the money is indeed truly needed. Have been in touch, very occasionally, with her since meeting her 1. 5 years ago, and this is the first time help was solicited, it seems (cough, cough) honest, as far as that goes. Thanks again, and cheers![/QUOTE]I hope that you didn't send that money yet. You just might be being played. I just talked to a friend there and she told me:
Mrenternational x_x_x says: everything ok? Somebody say surin have nam.
Praphatson says: no no have not nam. so good here he he!
It's kind of like giving money to a homeless guy who spends it in liquor right? It's not as much about what they do with it as your intention. What do you want them to do with it? Invest in Apple?
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1215048]I hope that you didn't send that money yet. You just might be being played.[/QUOTE]Oh well. Did send $ already, but figured on all these things and, as another poster mentioned, am under no illusions that I "am special." (Now where would I have given that impression? LOL.)
Did get a nice thank you note that the kindness will be remembered when we meet again in Bangkok. We'll see.
[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1215659]Oh well. Did send $ already, but figured on all these things and, as another poster mentioned, am under no illusions that I "am special." (Now where would I have given that impression? LOL.) Did get a nice thank you note that the kindness will be remembered when we meet again in Bangkok. We'll see.[/QUOTE]Good man! Nice that she responded back, too.
Most P4P women with any organizational skills keep the phone numbers and e-mails of their clients. Some use them, some don't.
It's a very tough time in Thailand for a lot of people. The flood and subsequent downturn in the economy is affecting everyone to some degree. Some have seen their lives completely destroyed.
You should definitely look her up on your next trip to BKK. As they say here in Thailand,"why not!"
[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1215659]Oh well. Did send $ already, but figured on all these things and, as another poster mentioned, am under no illusions that I "am special." (Now where would I have given that impression? LOL.)
Did get a nice thank you note that the kindness will be remembered when we meet again in Bangkok. We'll see.[/QUOTE]Good that you got a note. My wingman sent one of his ex-regulars 10,000 baht a while back. She only asked for 6,000. Something or other about a roof on her parent's house. All he asked was that she call him to let him know she received the money. She had no problem calling him any other time. But that call he never received. And when he asked her why, it was because she forgot!
And last month when he was in town the girl said that she was in her hometown, but would be traveling by bus to Pattaya on a certain day. Funny that the day before she was supposed to be traveling another girl said that she had seen her in an internet cafe in Pattaya. You can't trust them farther than you can throw them.
Clinton to visit Bangkok next week:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Clinton-to-visit-Bangkok-next-week-30169698.html[/url]
Yingluck awaits details of legal action:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Yingluck-awaits-details-of-legal-action-urges-unit-30169700.html[/url]
Flood-related diseases, The perils in the water:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/life/The-perils-in-the-water-30168606.html[/url]
I've been to disneyland and disneyworld in the USA.
I've been to nymphland in Phuket, medusaworld in Pattaya, riverworld in Isaan and waterworld in BKK.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1214638]Just a quick question. Has anyone ever found a working girl in Thailand that can take a good face fucking?[/QUOTE]Oh, absolutely. If that's what you are into, Thailand is an excellent choice. The girls here are up for anything, which is why so many have HIV.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1216424]Oh, absolutely. If that's what you are into, Thailand is an excellent choice. The girls here are up for anything, which is why so many have HIV.[/QUOTE]Of course if you ask the bar managers and the girls they will all tell you they test negative. Many will even show you some bogus report from the hospital showing HIV neg.
I was in Bangkok a 2 years ago and plan to return this winter. I had unprotected sex with one girl and got her email and made very little contact with her. I was hoping she did not get preg. I think I know the answer but let me ask you guys. If she felt she got preg and had my contact info I would assume I would get a "please help me " email right? I like to fuck and rarely I don't use a rubber. But wheni don't I worry to have a kid somewhere and not know about it. Let me know what you think.
[QUOTE=George Sims;1216656]I was in Bangkok a 2 years ago and plan to return this winter. I had unprotected sex with one girl and got her email and made very little contact with her. I was hoping she did not get preg. I think I know the answer but let me ask you guys. If she felt she got preg and had my contact info I would assume I would get a "please help me " email right? I like to fuck and rarely I don't use a rubber. But wheni don't I worry to have a kid somewhere and not know about it. Let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]George if that was the case I think we would see many more Thai women walking around with big bellies and mixed kids. The girls are not as stupid as you think. Many of them already have an injection so that they won't get pregnant, while others will just go buy the morning after pill for 50 baht.
Two years is a long time thinking about whether there is a little George Sims running around Thailand and you not knowing about it. I myself strap on but there has been times when it is so wild and good that I have forgotten and feel bad after if this might happen and think about the IF'S like getting her pregnant or a infection to myself. So in the end the best thing you can do if you like to fuck and is basically over the hill in having kids, get snip! Or show greater mental strengh and strap on everytime.
As for injections and pills, I wouldn't trust it as far as I can throw them. If they think it is worth having a kid to keep you and have a better life they will do it and tell you they are protected. Everytime I see a old guy or any guy (Farang) rolling a baby cart around the first thing that cross my mind she most likely told this guy it was a accident. If they want it they will have it and take a chance to see if you will support him / her. I know a half doesn't guys first hand that after they found out they were going to be fathers tell me it was a accident.
I've heard all the stupid reasons and its not always easy but if you don't want to be papa then no matter how good it feels get snip or get cover?
LBM
[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1215659]Oh well. Did send $ already, but figured on all these things and, as another poster mentioned, am under no illusions that I "am special." (Now where would I have given that impression? LOL.)
Did get a nice thank you note that the kindness will be remembered when we meet again in Bangkok. We'll see.[/QUOTE]Thers's nothing wrong with giving little gifts even if this present is just a Western Union transaction. As long you don't ruin yourself or think she has to be super grateful for that or has to give you unlimited sexual pleasures for free next time you come to Thailand. I've done it before it didin't feel too bad.
BTW (sorry I've asked in anther thread before and got no answer) : Is there a thai expression for the farang that sends money? Do the working girls also use the term Walking ATM? Or the more euphemistic Jai Dee? Or is there another word?
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1215678]You can't trust them farther than you can throw them.[/QUOTE]Why would you want to throw them? I'd rather keep them close to me.
Silliness aside, I met a DIA date last time I was in Pattaya and we had good fun. I bought her some clothes and jewelry and agreed to sponsor her English course. And indeed her English is improving.
The effect of it will probably be that next time we meet again, we will hold meaningful discussions and forget to f*ck.
[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1216791]Thers's nothing wrong with giving little gifts even if this present is just a Western Union transaction. As long you don't ruin yourself or think she has to be super grateful for that or has to give you unlimited sexual pleasures for free next time you come to Thailand. I've done it before it didin't feel too bad.
BTW (sorry I've asked in anther thread before and got no answer) : Is there a thai expression for the farang that sends money? Do the working girls also use the term Walking ATM? Or the more euphemistic Jai Dee? Or is there another word?[/QUOTE]From my experience the use of ATM in a serious conversation is offensive to a Thai, because they don't seem to believe that asking us for money is a problem. The problem I see is that they wouldn't even ask a Thai friend yet they would have no problem asking us for money or things. Like I said in a post before its like a entitlement to them that is o, k. To do so because they believe we all have it. In the situation with the roof, I have never heard of a Thai asking another Thai that their family need a roof. Jai Dee is use in place of a ATM reference to Farang. The more the ATM dispenses then it Jai Dee Mak Mak.
LBM
I've never been able to figure out how to use the 'archived reports' in the Thailand forum. I can find some old reports, others I can't find. To be honest I can't figure it out at all.
First, there is a 2007 archive, and also a 2002-2006 archive, but when I search in them, using the 'advanced search' for reports 'a year ago and older', it just gives me the reports from 2010. There seems to be no way at all for finding ones own reports from the archived reports.
Can anyone help?
This was the funniest shit I have read in a while about LOS!
[url]http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_250/271_why-single-men-cant-go-to-bangkok.html[/url]
Had to be written by a chick!
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1209225]1. Go to a bank to exchange. He will have money left over.
2. 220 outlet.
3. Over the counter at pharmacy. I don't need the stuff, but probably 500-750 baht for 6.[/QUOTE]Can you please let me know in which pharmacy you find viagra and cialis at 500-750 for 6? I tried recently and the best price I found (in pharmacy of course and not in street) was 1500 for box of 4 (viagra 100 mg and cialis 20 mg). Am I missing something here?
Thanks in advance!
Life
[QUOTE=Lifeingr; 1221715]Can you please let me know in which pharmacy you find viagra and cialis at 500-750 for 6? I tried recently and the best price I found (in pharmacy of course and not in street) was 1500 for box of 4 (viagra 100 mg and cialis 20 mg). Am I missing something here?
Thanks in advance!
Life[/QUOTE]Hi Life,
You should try Chula Pharmacy on Thanon Rama IV, between Surawong and Silom (closer to Surawong on that side of the road). Sala Daeng BTS or Silom MRT. Generic Sildenafil (Elonza brand) for about 800 for 4 X 100mg, I think. No Tadalafil in generic, only Cialis brand at much higher price. OTC sales no problem.
[QUOTE=Ed Setra; 1221746]Hi Life,
You should try Chula Pharmacy on Thanon Rama IV, between Surawong and Silom (closer to Surawong on that side of the road). Sala Daeng BTS or Silom MRT. Generic Sildenafil (Elonza brand) for about 800 for 4 X 100mg, I think. No Tadalafil in generic, only Cialis brand at much higher price. OTC sales no problem.[/QUOTE]Thanks Setra, I've looked only for original Cialis and Viagra and found the 1500 price. But I'll check out the pharmacy you mentioned.
Has anyone got any info on mountain bike tours in Thailand or contact details for bike shops?
[QUOTE=Lifeingr;1221771]Thanks Setra, I've looked only for original Cialis and Viagra and found the 1500 price. But I'll check out the pharmacy you mentioned.[/QUOTE]If you buy on the net before you come to Thailand, you can find sites that are 80 cents to a $1 per pill.
[QUOTE=Perth Boy;1221900]Has anyone got any info on mountain bike tours in Thailand or contact details for bike shops?[/QUOTE]Just Google " mountain bike tours in Thailand " plenty of bike shops too.
LBM
[QUOTE=Dash Riprock;1221968]If you buy on the net before you come to Thailand, you can find sites that are 80 cents to a $1 per pill.[/QUOTE]That's counterfeit stuff, I have been told. Have you tested them out?
A bit off topic but I buygenerics from India and they are excellent.
My prefernce is for penegra and kamagra. Last time I was in Bangkok I saw them being sold on footpaths / sidewalks around soi 23 and they seemed original from India at least. Let me know if you live in Bangkok and need a few.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1222278]That's counterfeit stuff, I have been told. Have you tested them out?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Margaya;1222281]Last time I was in Bangkok I saw them being sold on footpaths / sidewalks around soi 23 and they seemed original from India at least. Let me know if you live in Bangkok and need a few.[/QUOTE]I saw a few stalls selling shabby looking 'original' packs of pills and gels around the corner of Soi 11, along with fake watches, fake belts, fake poloshirts, fake handbags. What makes you think the pills would be genuine?
It's up to you guys, but I wouldn't touch the stuff on streetstalls. For a start the storage temperature conditions have been breached on any normal Bangkok day.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1222278]That's counterfeit stuff, I have been told. Have you tested them out?[/QUOTE]Yes, I have. It has the same effect as the name brand Viagra, Cialis, and / or Levitra (have tried them all). Just stick to the brands made by Indian pharmaceutical firms such as Ajanta (they make Kamagra branded sildenafil 100 mg for example) , Cipla (they make Tadacip branded Tadalafil 20 mg) , and Ranbaxy (Caverta brand sildenafil 100 mg). Myself I prefer unbranded Sildenafil or Tadalafil made by RSM pharma. These are all firms among others that have an international presence, INCLUDING in the US where they (combined) sell a billion+ $ of generic meds of all types in hospitals all over the country. The only thing 'shady' in the whole deal is that Pfizer, Lily, Bayer, etc. Don't get a cut of the action. They combat this by saying any other brand other than theirs is fake and 'may be dangerous. ' nevermind that they well know that these same companies are all world class pharmaceutical firms with inroads to all the same global markets they do.
As for true fakes. Those are when you find Viagra, Cialis, or Levitra branded items in small pharmacies AND online that likely do not have supply contracts with the local master distributor. If you want the real deal of those brands, stick to well known hospitals, Boots, and Watsons. Otherwise you're risking getting 'counterfeits, ' which shouldn't be confused with off brand 'generics. '
I to have ordered over the Internet after much research, checked out what I got versus a true branded Levitra (pill of choice) and it is spot on. And a lot cheaper in cost.
[QUOTE=Dash Riprock; 1222556]Yes, I have. It has the same effect as the name brand Viagra, Cialis, and / or Levitra (have tried them all). Just stick to the brands made by Indian pharmaceutical firms such as Ajanta (they make Kamagra branded sildenafil 100 mg for example) , Cipla (they make Tadacip branded Tadalafil 20 mg) , and Ranbaxy (Caverta brand sildenafil 100 mg). Myself I prefer unbranded Sildenafil or Tadalafil made by RSM pharma. These are all firms among others that have an international presence, INCLUDING in the US where they (combined) sell a billion+ $ of generic meds of all types in hospitals all over the country. The only thing 'shady' in the whole deal is that Pfizer, Lily, Bayer, etc. Don't get a cut of the action. They combat this by saying any other brand other than theirs is fake and 'may be dangerous. ' nevermind that they well know that these same companies are all world class pharmaceutical firms with inroads to all the same global markets they do.
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[QUOTE=Jgm005;1222612]I to have ordered over the Internet after much research, checked out what I got versus a true branded Levitra (pill of choice) and it is spot on. And a lot cheaper in cost.[/QUOTE]I have as well and yes, the counterfeit Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra pills do look identical (it's not too difficult for them to do exact color and print work matching. It's their business after all) and in many cases perform just as well.
They are indeed cheaper than the name brand but they are more expensive than they should be for what is essentially a generic product not made by Pfizer, Lily, and / or Bayer.
They are filling the market demand for those who don't want to buy generics, want the name brands, but don't want the name brand pricing. They can be equated to textile factories that produce grade A counterfeit clothing.
-If the real genuine product is $19-$20 a pill (for Viagra 100 mg for example).
-And the fake comes in with an identical looking product for $10 a pill. In the 'early days, ' they still didn't have their packaging quite right, but for the most part they have since ironed out the misprints and off color matching.
-And then there is the no name generic that is $1-$5 a pill.
For all of these folks, from Pfizer on down to an Indian firm like Parex, RSM, Ajanta, etc. It still costs something like 5 cents a pill, so everyone is making a bundle. Especially so though for that niche in the middle selling for $10 a pill to people who think they are getting the real deal.
[QUOTE=Dash Riprock; 1222779]I have as well and yes, the counterfeit Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra pills do look identical (it's not too difficult for them to do exact color and print work matching. It's their business after all) and in many cases perform just as well.
-And then there is the no name generic that is $1-$5 a pill.
For all of these folks, from Pfizer on down to an Indian firm like Parex, RSM, Ajanta, etc. It still costs something like 5 cents a pill, so everyone is making a bundle. Especially so though for that niche in the middle selling for $10 a pill to people who think they are getting the real deal.[/QUOTE]Cheapest knock off Viagra I have found was in Cambodia, it's called VeeTab, only in 50mg and is USD$4. 30 for 10 tabs, almost worth the trip to stock up. They are made by an indian firm for an Iranian drug company, I have seen them a long time ago in Australia in Chinatown, but not recently. They work.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1222876]Cheapest knock off Viagra . .They are made by an indian firm for an Iranian drug company, I have seen them a long time ago in Australia in Chinatown, but not recently. They work.[/QUOTE]Do they grow also your ears and lips turn blue?
Just kidding. Of course, but personally I am more than cautious on those "dodgy" medicaments.
The real medicine itslef is already a challenge as on principle you need to see a doctor to see if you are fit for that.
Nearly nobody does, leaving it to his own judgement (I am no different) , so at least I think the minimum we sould do is to stick to proved products (and on principle the genuine are, Iam not saying the others are not, but we do not have real proofs)
There are some side-effects that come out with time, sometime.
Enough on this OT subject.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1222876]Cheapest knock off Viagra I have found was in Cambodia, it's called VeeTab, only in 50mg and is USD$4. 30 for 10 tabs, almost worth the trip to stock up. They are made by an indian firm for an Iranian drug company, I have seen them a long time ago in Australia in Chinatown, but not recently. They work.[/QUOTE]In Phnom Penh Indian generic Viagra are easily available. Like Penagra, Kamagra etc. I got $2 for a pack of four 100 MG in one pharmace and $1 pack of four 100 MG in another one. I guess it helps to bargain if you are going to stock up. They all work very well.
Has anybody a recommendation for a Pattaya pharmacy which sells Indian (generic) Tadalfil (which works RSM, or similar)? It's true that in PP you find the best deals but I don't have the time to fly there.
Thanks!
There is a long discussion here: [url]http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=153842[/url]. And, several others. That link has two addresses of one supplier to the US: [url]http://mensmedsonline.com/[/url]. I used them. It came quickly. It was discreet. It was cheap. It worked well.
That's not a storefront in Thailand, but may be useful for your preparations to go there. Also, you know where it's coming from.
[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1223633]Has anybody a recommendation for a Pattaya pharmacy which sells Indian (generic) Tadalfil (which works RSM, or similar)? It's true that in PP you find the best deals but I don't have the time to fly there.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Where do you go to get the generics in PP and know you're getting the right, safe thing? Same question for hanoi and HCMC.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1222928]In Phnom Penh Indian generic Viagra are easily available. Like Penagra, Kamagra etc. I got $2 for a pack of four 100 MG in one pharmace and $1 pack of four 100 MG in another one. I guess it helps to bargain if you are going to stock up. They all work very well.[/QUOTE]
Hello fellow ISGers,
I will be going to Vietnam, Laos, and Thailand again for about 2 weeks (business). I am finally unnattached. I want to have the regular fun I've had before, but I would like to maximize GFE experiences with girls who could potentially turn out to be LT relationships. Could be working girls, but could be college girls, working women, whatever. I have certain traits I want, which I could list, if people want me to (in order to help me). But, where would you recommend I hang out to do this? Probably not the bargirls and not AMPs. But, I do want success, even if not on the LT, at the end of the night and to pick up a good (and cute) female traveling partner for my duration there.
And, yes, I've hobbied for 10+ yrs, and I have read tons of pages here this week, picking up clues. So, I'm not just signing on for the first time and considering my time more important than yours, and posting cluelessly. When I have successess, due to suggestions here, I'll post here (as I have done consistently with **** and ECCIE. Net as nicemusic).
Thanks,
NM
[QUOTE=Frankfurter;1223633]Has anybody a recommendation for a Pattaya pharmacy which sells Indian (generic) Tadalfil (which works RSM, or similar)? It's true that in PP you find the best deals but I don't have the time to fly there. Thanks![/QUOTE]You might try the small pharmacy that is in the little complex on the corner of Soi Diana and Soi LK Metro. It is diagonally across from the Areca Lodge. I've had luck finding similar products there in the past. It's just around the corner from Champagne a-Go-Go.
I've never found anyone charging less than 400-700 Baht per 4 tablet blister pack, neither in Pattaya or Bangkok. I do like the RSM Pharmaceuticals product too though, they sell it unbranded with just a no-nonsense "Tadalafil 20 mg tablets" or "Sildenafil Citrate 100 mg tablets" on the packaging. Cheap (around US$0. 70 cents a tablet. Which is actually just 35 cents since I only use half a tablet at time) and just as effective.
[QUOTE=NiceMusic; 1223665]Hello, fellow ISGers,
I will be going to Vietnam, Laos, and Thailand again for about 2 weeks (business). I am finally unnattached. I want to have the regular fun I've had before, but I would like to maximize GFE experiences with girls who could potentially turn out to be LT relationships. Could be working girls, but could be college girls, working women, whatever. I have certain traits I want, which I could list, if people want me to (in order to help me). But, where would you recommend I hang out to do this? Probably not the bargirls and not AMPs. But, I do want success, even if not on the LT, at the end of the night and to pick up a good (and cute) female traveling partner for my duration there.
And, yes, I've hobbied for 10+ yrs, and I have read tons of pages here this week, picking up clues. So, I'm not just signing on for the first time and considering my time more important than yours, and posting cluelessly. When I have successess, due to suggestions here, I'll post here (as I have done consistently with * and ECCIE. Net as nicemusic).
Thanks,
NM[/QUOTE]Join several of the dating sites. I doubt anyone here can pick a potential girlfriend for you.
In my country of origin, politicians and others who want to avoid the inconvenience of reality also blame the mass media just as you have. Do you live in Thailand? If so, then you might see that broadly, Thai hookers fall into the two categories I described. I am not an expert, but this is what I have observed. Feel free to disagree, but I stand (though rather indifferently) behind my loose assertion.
And, yes, those guys are losers and if you and they think its fun to be an object to be displayed and the butt of the village joke then go right ahead and enjoy. I may have touched a cord and I apologize if you are one of them.
J Ride.
And P. S. : I've never heard Germans called arrogant or heard the French accused of stinking of garlic. I know you want to draw comparisons for the sake of supporting your argument, but maybe find some better known and more accurate examples the next time around.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1212502]Having watched the link it seems the "best falang husband" competition is purely a bit of fun to see who has learnt the most about Thailand and its culture, its not about being a loser or marrying a gold digger.
The sad fact here is that you presume the worst and try to insinuate the worst, when in fact it appears to be just harmless fun.
As far as Thai girls go there are no two categories, although the popular mass media attempts to protray this time and time again, in the same way they always portray Jews as stingy or Germans as arrogant or French as stinking of garlic etc.
There is a whole spectrum of girls, just as there are in any country and you can find as many gold diggers in Europe or the USA as you can in Asia.
You can also find as many "losers" in Europe or the USA, just look at the divorce rates in those area's.
Every country has everything, from losers to winners to gold diggers to prostitutes etc.[/QUOTE]
Hi,
B J here,
I would like to recommend a book I have just finished reading. It is called 'welcome to hell' by Stephen Leather. A very interesting read about a gentleman who travels to Bangkok to do a large business deal with what appears to be a reputable company, only to find out the whole thing is a con. He remains in Bangkok and eventually finds the offending guy, then it all goes wrong. He is accused of murder and spends a few years in a Thai prison. Quite a horrific tale and well worth a look.
Another good experience I had was last Sunday night. I had a day off on Monday so after watching football in the sports academy, above thermae, I took a stroll along to Baccara in Soi cowboy. It was already late so I did not waste any time in selecting a very nice lady to bar fine. We had a few drinks and as the bar was closing took the fairly short walk back to my place.
She was a very cute looker with a mole on the left side of her nose, no more than 5 feet 2 in height with a slight curl to her hair, small breasts (but I have never been that concerned with that aspect) and an amazing figure.
She suggested a shower together which was very nice and did not waste any time afterwards. Very attentive and experienced. I did the customary muff dive which got her screaming like a banshee and turned me on into the bargain. After that she was happy to let me lick her all over then turned me onto my back and gave me an extremely slow and enjoyable BJ, there is something very nice about watching your cock disappear into such a small mouth. I allowed her to do this for as long as I could (any longer and it would have been all over). On went the condom and she started on top. This was an experienced lady and thankfully she gave the type of service designed to please and not the 'get it over with as quick as possible'. We changed positions several times and finished off in the doggy position.
Very good experience I have to say and would recommend her to any forum readers. I slept with a big grin that night.
Ciao, BJ
December 20, 2011.
Protect Yourself from Intrusive Laptop and Phone Searches at the USA Border.
EFF's New Guide Helps Travelers Defend Their Data Privacy.
San Francisco. Anytime you travel internationally, you risk a broad, invasive search of your laptop, phone, and other digital devices. Including the copying of your data and seizing of your property for an indefinite time. To help travelers protect themselves and their private information during the busy holiday travel period, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) released a new report today with important guidance for safeguarding your personal data at the U. S border.
Thanks to protections enshrined in the USA Constitution, the government generally can't snoop through your laptop for no reason. But the federal government claims those privacy protections don't cover travelers at the USA border, allowing agents to take an electronic device, search through all the files, and keep it for further scrutiny. Without any suspicion of wrongdoing whatsoever. For business travelers, that could expose sensitive information like trade secrets, doctor-patient and attorney-client communications, and research and business strategies. For others, the data at risk includes personal health histories, financial records, and private messages and photos of family and friends. EFF's new report,"Defending Privacy at the USA Border: A Guide for Travelers Carrying Digital Devices," outlines potential ways to protect that private information, including minimizing the data you carry with you and employing encryption.
[url]https://www.eff.org/press/releases/protect-yourself-intrusive-laptop-and-phone-searches-us-border[/url]
For Defending Privacy at the USA Border: A Guide for Travelers Carrying Digital Devices:
[url]https://www.eff.org/wp/defending-privacy-us-border-guide-travelers-carrying-digital-devices[/url]
To take the border privacy quiz: [url]https://www.eff.org/pages/border-search-quiz[/url]
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[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1223779]Join several of the dating sites. I doubt anyone here can pick a potential girlfriend for you.[/QUOTE]Unless someone has a sister to offer, still a virgin as he tried her himself. Available for a good bargain, of course.
[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1229434]December 20, 2011.
Protect Yourself from Intrusive Laptop and Phone Searches at the USA Border.
EFF's New Guide Helps Travelers Defend Their Data Privacy.
San Francisco. Anytime you travel internationally, you risk a broad, invasive search of your laptop, phone, and other digital devices. Including the copying of your data and seizing of your property for an indefinite time. To help travelers protect themselves and their private information during the busy holiday travel period, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) released a new report today with important guidance for safeguarding your personal data at the U. S border.
Thanks to protections enshrined in the USA Constitution, the government generally can't snoop through your laptop for no reason. But the federal government claims those privacy protections don't cover travelers at the USA border, allowing agents to take an electronic device, search through all the files, and keep it for further scrutiny. Without any suspicion of wrongdoing whatsoever. For business travelers, that could expose sensitive information like trade secrets, doctor-patient and attorney-client communications, and research and business strategies. For others, the data at risk includes personal health histories, financial records, and private messages and photos of family and friends. EFF's new report,"Defending Privacy at the USA Border: A Guide for Travelers Carrying Digital Devices," outlines potential ways to protect that private information, including minimizing the data you carry with you and employing encryption.
[url]https://www.eff.org/press/releases/protect-yourself-intrusive-laptop-and-phone-searches-us-border[/url]
For Defending Privacy at the USA Border: A Guide for Travelers Carrying Digital Devices:
[url]https://www.eff.org/wp/defending-privacy-us-border-guide-travelers-carrying-digital-devices[/url]
To take the border privacy quiz:
[url]https://www.eff.org/pages/border-search-quiz[/url]
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[url]http://lists.etskywarn.net/mailman/listinfo/medianews[/url][/QUOTE]Why did you post this? Everyone knows that our laptops, cameras and other electronic devices can be searched while traveling. Just like they search our bags and bodies. This isn't just the USA, this is everywhere. Thailand included.
Why?
Some people think that they are losing their freedom, but this is reality after 9/11! Politician since Obama was elected talk about the lost of their constitution rights and are using it for the last few years for political reasons. The Tea party jump all over this like it happen yesterday.
Regardless of the law I look at it like if you got nothing to hide why worry about it. I live in S. F. And having been flying in and out for years even with a record and being on probation I never once got search. Same question each time and I give them the same answer. Get the green okay on my question form.
Out of principal I highly suggest no one take this too serious and cite the law and question them as to why they are searching you or your stuff. Meaning don't cop a attitude! In the end you just don't have the power and unless you like stripping and bending over for them in the back believe it or not they actually have jail cells.
Aside from the long lines at times I have no problems with getting search... I even ask if I can get the body scan... last time out I did raise my hands and smile and let out a big loud gas bomb. I guy next wasn't too happy with the smell!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1229455]Why?
Some people think that they are losing their freedom, but this is reality after 9/11! Politician since Obama was elected talk about the lost of their constitution rights and are using it for the last few years for political reasons. The Tea party jump all over this like it happen yesterday.
Regardless of the law I look at it like if you got nothing to hide why worry about it. I live in S. F. And having been flying in and out for years even with a record and being on probation I never once got search. Same question each time and I give them the same answer. Get the green okay on my question form.
Out of principal I highly suggest no one take this too serious and cite the law and question them as to why they are searching you or your stuff. Meaning don't cop a attitude! In the end you just don't have the power and unless you like stripping and bending over for them in the back believe it or not they actually have jail cells.
Aside from the long lines at times I have no problems with getting search. I even ask if I can get the body scan. Last time out I did raise my hands and smile and let out a big loud gas bomb. I guy next wasn't too happy with the smell!
LBM[/QUOTE]I always try to be a courteous as possible at border crossings, no reason to get yourself grilled, just because you are irritated.
All you have to do is buy some cloud storage and you don't have to worry about keeping stuff on your laptop. I paid like $100 for 100GB for 5 years. I never have to worry about it, but you can get space by the month for around $3 if you don't want to pay it all the time. For those prices why risk being caught with your pictures. I mean even if nothing else happens you are probably going to lose your pictures.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1229455]Why?
Some people think that they are losing their freedom, but this is reality after 9/11! Politician since Obama was elected talk about the lost of their constitution rights and are using it for the last few years for political reasons. The Tea party jump all over this like it happen yesterday.
Regardless of the law I look at it like if you got nothing to hide why worry about it. I live in S. F. And having been flying in and out for years even with a record and being on probation I never once got search. Same question each time and I give them the same answer. Get the green okay on my question form.
Out of principal I highly suggest no one take this too serious and cite the law and question them as to why they are searching you or your stuff. Meaning don't cop a attitude! In the end you just don't have the power and unless you like stripping and bending over for them in the back believe it or not they actually have jail cells.
Aside from the long lines at times I have no problems with getting search. I even ask if I can get the body scan. Last time out I did raise my hands and smile and let out a big loud gas bomb. I guy next wasn't too happy with the smell!
LBM[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dveight; 1229458]I always try to be a courteous as possible at border crossings, no reason to get yourself grilled, just because you are irritated.
All you have to do is buy some cloud storage and you don't have to worry about keeping stuff on your laptop. I paid like $100 for 100GB for 5 years. I never have to worry about it, but you can get space by the month for around $3 if you don't want to pay it all the time. For those prices why risk being caught with your pictures. I mean even if nothing else happens you are probably going to lose your pictures.[/QUOTE]You guys are both right. It seems most people don't even realize this has been the reality worldwide for years now and it actually has nothing to do with Obama or anything like that. Internet is monitored, phone calls are monitored, we are searched when traveling, our bags are scanned all in the name of security. Nvslim's post seems to be almost fear mongering and portrays this as some grand conspiracy in the USA but any country can and will search you upon entering and exiting. Just make sure that you are following all the rules and no harm will come of you.
[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1229472]You guys are both right. It seems most people don't even realize this has been the reality worldwide for years now and it actually has nothing to do with Obama or anything like that. Internet is monitored, phone calls are monitored, we are searched when traveling, our bags are scanned all in the name of security. Nvslim's post seems to be almost fear mongering and portrays this as some grand conspiracy in the USA but any country can and will search you upon entering and exiting. Just make sure that you are following all the rules and no harm will come of you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you guys are all right; we should all just let the airport gestapo thugs do whatever they want whenever they want to us and never complain about it because at the bottom line we're just a bunch of sheep who aren't entitled to any rights since 9/11. The war on terror has already been won by the terrorists. Just let them take your compter, snoop through it, and give it back whenever they feel like it. Don't take any precautions with your data even if you have something to hide. Just bend over, spread your cheeks and enjoy the experience.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1229478]Yeah, you guys are all right; we should all just let the airport gestapo thugs do whatever they want whenever they want to us and never complain about it because at the bottom line we're just a bunch of sheep who aren't entitled to any rights since 9/11. The war on terror has already been won by the terrorists. Just let them take your compter, snoop through it, and give it back whenever they feel like it. Don't take any precautions with your data even if you have something to hide. Just bend over, spread your cheeks and enjoy the experience.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to take some lube. ;)
I know. Quality and cheap don't go together but where is a good place to get suits in Bangkok and quick turnaournd time like next day.
Saw some ad for "Jas Clothing"
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1229478]Yeah, you guys are all right; we should all just let the airport gestapo thugs do whatever they want whenever they want to us and never complain about it because at the bottom line we're just a bunch of sheep who aren't entitled to any rights since 9/11. The war on terror has already been won by the terrorists. Just let them take your compter, snoop through it, and give it back whenever they feel like it. Don't take any precautions with your data even if you have something to hide. Just bend over, spread your cheeks and enjoy the experience.[/QUOTE]LOL. You totally took that the wrong way. I'm not saying we don't have rights. My point was that his post made it seem like this was some kind of new event taking place only in the US. Which just isn't true obviously. Cheers.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1229478]Yeah, you guys are all right; we should all just let the airport gestapo thugs do whatever they want whenever they want to us and never complain about it because at the bottom line we're just a bunch of sheep who aren't entitled to any rights since 9/11. The war on terror has already been won by the terrorists. Just let them take your compter, snoop through it, and give it back whenever they feel like it. Don't take any precautions with your data even if you have something to hide. Just bend over, spread your cheeks and enjoy the experience.[/QUOTE]Yeah, on my first trip back to the US in 5 years this past summer, I forgot to take my shaving cream out of my carry on on a domestic flight. The TSA guy was all over it and acted like he really did something. I thanked him for protecting America and winning that fucking war on terror. He thought I was being sarcastic though. I'm going back home when the shootin' starts.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1229455]Regardless of the law I look at it like if you got nothing to hide why worry about it. I live in S. F. And having been flying in and out for years even with a record and being on probation I never once got search. Same question each time and I give them the same answer. Get the green okay on my question form.
Out of principal I highly suggest no one take this too serious and cite the law and question them as to why they are searching you or your stuff. Meaning don't cop a attitude! In the end you just don't have the power and unless you like stripping and bending over for them in the back believe it or not they actually have jail cells.
Aside from the long lines at times I have no problems with getting search. I even ask if I can get the body scan. Last time out I did raise my hands and smile and let out a big loud gas bomb. I guy next wasn't too happy with the smell!
LBM[/QUOTE]I don't get it either. Out of countless trips around the world the only time my bag has ever been searched was once when I came from Bogota to New York. I have Global Entry and go to the machine for immigration. But when I approached customs an agent caught up to me and told me to hold my horses. She took everything out of my bag and poked the plastic parts inside with a screwdriver. She was looking for drugs. I had many bootleg DVDs that she did not even mention. She told me to turn my computer on to be sure that it works, but as soon as the welcome screen popped up I was allowed to turn it off. I have never witnessed them searching people's files. Other times when I have declared having crocodile goods I have been sent to agriculture to run my suitcase through the machine. Last time the guy told me I did not have to declare for the couple of items that I had. (And mind you that time I did have 2 boxes (50ct/box) of Kamagra Jelly in the same bag.)
A couple of months ago coming back from Tijuana, Mexico into San Diego, USA the agent asked what I was doing in Mexico. I looked and him and said,"Fucking them hoes." He said okay, go ahead.
Not to say it does not happen, but with my countless experiences with immigration and customs, I think people are making mountains out of molehills with these posts.
Be very careful what websites you read from inside Thailand now.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/272260/centre-starts-monitoring-lese-majeste[/url]
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1229478]Just let them take your compter, snoop through it, and give it back whenever they feel like it. Don't take any precautions with your data even if you have something to hide. Just bend over, spread your cheeks and enjoy the experience.[/QUOTE]If you don't want to take it bending over read this:
[url]https://www.eff.org/document/defending-privacy-us-border-guide-travelers-carrying-digital-devices[/url]
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1229502]Yeah, on my first trip back to the US in 5 years this past summer, I forgot to take my shaving cream out of my carry on on a domestic flight. The TSA guy was all over it and acted like he really did something. I thanked him for protecting America and winning that fucking war on terror. He thought I was being sarcastic though. I'm going back home when the shootin' starts.[/QUOTE]Man I hear what you say. I am a fairly frequent business traveler. I must admit that passing through US Customs and dealing with TSA people is one of the most unpleasant activities involved in travel. These people are hardly the best ambassadors for the good old friendly US of A!
[QUOTE=Stykler;1229714]Man I hear what you say. I am a fairly frequent business traveler. I must admit that passing through US Customs and dealing with TSA people is one of the most unpleasant activities involved in travel. These people are hardly the best ambassadors for the good old friendly US of A![/QUOTE]LAX is the worst I think in the world. Coming into the United international terminal is like walking into a Russian Goolag. Depressing and sterile.
Gents,
I am not sure that I am the Best ambassador of the USA. In the world
Because I just try to present the fact here.
Let 's see the LAX immigations and Custom services first. Bear in mind,
I appreciate the Homeland Security works for the safety and beyond.
However, quite often, It takes a long time to get through the Immigrations
Lines even for a Good USA citizen and it is true every time I travel oversea.
Now, I talk about my experiences with the Thai's Immigrations & Custom here.
It is usually take me about 15minutes at the immigration counter and that
With another 15min. At baggages claim to collect my things.
Another important things are Thai's Airports people very friendly and
Understand the frequent visitors like me with many wet Stamps
In and out BKK do make sense for a quick pass on my USA. Passport.
So, it is a very pleasant to land at Bangkok Airport.
You may get through the LAX in 2 hours vs only 30minutes in Bangkok.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1229611]I don't get it either. Out of countless trips around the world the only time my bag has ever been searched was once when I came from Bogota to New York.[/QUOTE]In 5 trips returning to Canada I got searched and interogated every time but one. This involves one to three hours after a long trip in which I may have had little sleep, and am very tired. I have come to expect that I'll be chosen for these searches which do not appear to be random in my case. So now I travel light with just a carry on backpack since it takes them less time to go through than an additional suitcase. I can imagine being there all night if I carried a PC laptop and they felt like going through it thoroughly, with too much time on their hands. One time I was even interogated at the take off terminal. Is it they pick on single guys returning from LOS, or is it just me? No way I'd tell them I was there fucking hoes, especially if it was a woman!
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1229698]If you don't want to take it bending over read this:
[url]https://www.eff.org/document/defending-privacy-us-border-guide-travelers-carrying-digital-devices[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks, Fon Tok!
Excellent advice; read it cover to cover and bookmarked the site.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1229791]LAX is the worst I think in the world. Coming into the United international terminal is like walking into a Russian Goolag. Depressing and sterile.[/QUOTE]Gents,
One thing that I like BKK Suvarnabhum airports the building is very new architectural beatiful.
The LAX looks more ancient and tired
These rules and regulations are just a guideline that are pretty much just words and have no real application. No one wants to loose their freedom but the real truth we have been loosing them even before 9/11. When it comes to the airport I know a thing or two and will share them with you along with some others. After 9/11, the airlines were tanking and even with guys like myself with 25 years were on the edge of loosing their jobs. I consider and was offered jobs with TSA, Air Marshalls etc. But decided since I needed the flexibility of taking time off to travel to Thailand and didn't want to start over I decided to stick it out.
After 9/11 regardless of the guidelines they came up with a thing call Patriot Act. In security meetings they use to talk about don't worry about these guidelines that if the shit hits the fan we apply the ACT! It will trump that B. S. That pretty came from a Regional Security Adminitrator that came to brief us every quarter. The truth of the matter is aside from lawyers and someone with lots of money and power if they get you in a room the majority of us wouldn't know what to do? How many of you have been arrested? When the cops and prosecutor want the more you cry the more charges they pile on top of you and there isn't a damn thing you could do. They can break your arm and then just say it was a accident while trying to arrest you. If you don't know by now let me wake you guys up? There is no such thing as Innocent until proven guilty! Majority of us would have to spend our life savings to prove that the charges are false. Until you have been in a situation like that regardless of all the macho and bravado talk about rights they couldn't care less. They will bury a normal guy by putting you through the grinder of the justice system. Right Daddy?
We have a on going war that will never end most likely in our lifetime? It will bankrupt our country before Social Security and Medicare and that is the war on terrorism. After 9/11 they created the largest agency of them all. TSA, stands for Thousand standing around! Aside from the handful of top notch law enforcement people running the agency the rest are made up of former airline station manager and personnel because they know the airline and how the airports are operated. In the west coast some of the top guys particularly in California were my old station managers and supervisors. And to be honest they were good guys but I wouldn't allow them to even carry my jock strap! And now they are responsible for our safety in the sky. In the end, the airport is impossible to defend everyone is grasping for straw as the experts have spoken they react rather than being proactive. Even with the security measures today I can give you over a dozen ways to get in the airport or points where they can do some damage to the aircrafts.
Prior to 9/11, the airlines were responsible for their own security and when it came to the airlines what was important was the financial bottom line and that was cost. Remember the complaints about the workers can't speaking English. Well now they do speak much better and the government might not say it but what they are doing is just appearances that they know what to do and inconvienances you while you travel is one of the method that you are safe? Sure some of these employees let it get to their heads and I have dealt with them before I left. Put on that uniform and now they think they are FBI, if you think the TSA is bad upstairs you haven't dealt with the other thousands below the surface scanning and going through your bags. How many of you got you bags open and a note left inside? At every airport since 9/11 there are billions of dollars of scanning equipment below the airport departure buildings I wish I had known to buy stock in these companies they are racking up the bucks on the American taxpayer because its is a impossible task. The government keeps buying and trying!
A good friend who worked for a airline for 30 years got out in time and went to customs at SFO, I've had lunch with him on a regular bases when I'm home and he has changed the uniform and power gets to them. Only a generalization but ever noticed all the Asians Immigration officier on the West coast? I'm Asian and I even think they take the job way too serious and the rest seems to all a attitude that if you give me a hard time I will bent your ass over? My buddy has told me they would never tell you but majority of the B. S. Rules they have is to profile the individual. When it comes to Bangkok this destination has always been because of the kiddie fuckers and drugs. They will have a simple conversation or ask you a question just to feel you out to make you nervous. I have been in the back of their holding area and you would be amased as to the B. S. That people try to bring in and many of the offender are businessmen.
As for being easy to get into Bangkok, they haven't been attacked that is just common sense. They are just going through the motion until they get bombed by the muslim down south and then that will change it will be a matter of time if the yellow don't take over the airport again. I don't like loosing my freedom just like the rest of you but when it comes to the airport security it just doesn't bother me as much as the rest of you and its not because I like bending over. I take a firm belief that if you put yourself in a position for something to happen most likely it will?
Now don't get me wrong I'm one to speak up but everyone needs to pick and choose their battles? For you retirees each year you go through the process at the Immigration office for your visa like a good old boy. Every 90 days, you report grab a number and sit quietly waiting your turn watching the officier push everyone around but you do it and bend over for the Thais so that you can get yours. When you get stopped for no reason aside from being a farang on a motorbike you pay and bend over whether you like it or not! I came back to Thailand in a trip in July, the immigration officiers were moving all the Chinese tour groups through the Thai national lines while everyone else had to wait for 45 minutes. I was pissed and was going to give the officiers a peace of my mind until I realized I was now in Thailand so I kept my mouth shut because was it worth them getting them mad and screwing with my visa. I kept my mouth shut and took it like a man?
In the end, whether its LAX, SFO, HNL, you can talk all the macho bravado and loosing your rights and I say get over it. What is the hurry you went to Thailand for the cheap pussy there isn't anything cheap in the USA so just be glad the wait is shorter when you return to Thailand!
Its part of travel now so get use to it! And I'm slowly becoming a supporter of Ron Paul?
LBM,
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1230041]If you don't know by now let me wake you guys up? There is no such thing as Innocent until proven guilty! Majority of us would have to spend our life savings to prove that the charges are false. Until you have been in a situation like that regardless of all the macho and bravado talk about rights they couldn't care less. They will bury a normal guy by putting you through the grinder of the justice system.[/QUOTE]No such thing as innocent until proven guilty? You don't have to tell me about that. Once I went to court for a traffic ticket (traffic signal violation) and I said I was not guilty. They said I would be taken directly to jail to be processed. For being NOT guilty? I quickly changed my plea to guilty instead of having to go to jail, made the arrangements to pay the fine, and left the courthouse.
Another time it was a stop sign violation at 5am at a spot in my neighborhood where I know the cops always sit. I went to trial on that. I had all my ducks in a row. I asked the cop why he sat in that spot. He said his boss tells him to sit there because people are out jogging and kids are walking to school. At 5am? Did I mention it was raining that morning! I asked how many people he saw out that morning jogging or how many kids walking to school. The prosecutor objected to my question. Sustained. Being that the judge, prosecutor, and police basically work together everyday and are essentially coworkers of course I was found guilty. I had to pay $600 and do 40 hours community service for thinking I wanted to be innocent. If I would have just gone ahead and admitted guilt in the first place then I would have only had to pay $110.
Another incident happened when I was a freshman at the university. A girl said that I stole her electronic organizer. This is when they first came out. She came up to my job harassing me and my manager kicked her off the premises. The next day was Saturday and I went to the police station to see what could be done. They told me nothing could be done. The following Tuesday I was getting out of the shower in my dorm and someone informed me that campus security was looking for me. I got dressed and went to see what they wanted. They ushered me into a back room. There were two city detectives there and the first thing they said to me was,"You have the right to remain silent..." I was like what the fuck dude. Then they started questioning me trying to trick me into saying that I stole it. They were getting nowhere so they gave me a citation to appear in court on a certain date. So I paid a lawyer $600 (actually it was my dad who paid) and went to the first court date and the girl said I stole it and I said I didn't. The judge said this must go to trial. Huh? What the hell are we at now? It was pre-trial. $600 lawyer fee down the tubes. I had to go to jail for 8 hours to be processed.
When my court date finally came the girl did not show. Well the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence to change it to another date in order to allow the girl to show up. What evidence? It was my word against hers. No witnesses or anything. When the next date came she didn't show up again. They said forget it, you can go home now. 20 years and 10 months later that shit is still on my record. Every time I have wanted to do anything I have had to get a freaking certified copy saying it was thrown out of court. And you are going to tell me there is a such thing as innocent until proven guilty. HELL NO it ain't. They will put you through so much shit and make you pay so much money with lawyers and such if you think you want to be not guilty that it is just much less of a hassle and costs a lot less to just say you were guilty in the first place.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1230084]No such thing as innocent until proven guilty? You don't have to tell me about that.[/QUOTE]Sir, in your story there are sufficient details to identify you as all is kept in archives. What you have been stating and implying is an offense to a liberal and democrat System who has the fellow citizens as a priority. You have been accusing the system to be unfair and against your rights. As such is impossible in the System, you are charged of offence to the System. Are you pleading guilty or non guilty?
Just kidding of course and I hear what you say. Yours are examples of everyday life.
[quote=mr enternational;1230084]no such thing as innocent until proven guilty? you don't have to tell me about that. once i went to court for a traffic ticket (traffic signal violation) and i said i was not guilty. they said i would be taken directly to jail to be processed. for being not guilty? i quickly changed my plea to guilty instead of having to go to jail, made the arrangements to pay the fine, and left the courthouse.[/quote]hahahaha! now you know that, in america, it's easier to beat a first degree murder rap than a speeding ticket.
lbm is right that it just doesn't pay to complain about the gestapo thugs while they're abusing your rights with their fingers up your ass. you might as well be barking at the moon. the united police states of america is now a fact of life.
Mr. E,
The reason the lady statue outside the courthouse has a blindfold? When you go to the court for the first time for a traffic ticket and go through the process you realize things are somewhat backwards. I once had a guy pull a gun on me when I told him he couldn't park in my driveway. I backed off and told him okay when he started to back out of the driveway taking his eyes off me I pull out my Chinese swore and placed it on his throat. A bystander started yelling and I got arrested and booked when I show up to court the coward never showed up. Today it still on my record along with all the other bullshit I was accused of.
When you live or grow up in a big city shit happens. Daddy07 grew up in a small cow town and lived a charm life and continues to live that charm life as the King of Jomtien in his highrise penthouse condo. I envy this guy because he got that Garfield smile on his face day in and day out! If I don't have a choice I rather have a finger up my ass than a big stick it is easier to take. Talking about fingers up the butt its time for that oil massage.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1230200]Mr. E,
The reason the lady statue outside the courthouse has a blindfold? When you go to the court for the first time for a traffic ticket and go through the process you realize things are somewhat backwards. I once had a guy pull a gun on me when I told him he couldn't park in my driveway. I backed off and told him okay when he started to back out of the driveway taking his eyes off me I pull out my Chinese swore and placed it on his throat. A bystander started yelling and I got arrested and booked when I show up to court the coward never showed up. Today it still on my record along with all the other bullshit I was accused of.
When you live or grow up in a big city shit happens. Daddy07 grew up in a small cow town and lived a charm life and continues to live that charm life as the King of Jomtien in his highrise penthouse condo. I envy this guy because he got that Garfield smile on his face day in and day out! If I don't have a choice I rather have a finger up my ass than a big stick it is easier to take. Talking about fingers up the butt its time for that oil massage.
LBM[/QUOTE]Sorry, had to laugh at this one. Don't know many people that walk around their driveway with a Chinese sword. I am sure going to jail was not funny. Was it a Jian or Dao sword?
Gents,
I always appreciate the hard work of TSA and Home land security departments.
Yes, things change for sure after 9/11. I really Don't mind to stand inline at LAX
For one hour Immigarions counters. However, the TSA people can have the
Faster ways to clear USA citizen with a clean records. I know the TSA having
More than enough agents to carry out the task. For travelers coming back
From Thailand mongering trip, that is None of other people.
Business to ask and check.
We should have the freedom to travel and mind own things.
Still, I always feel the Thai's immigrants officers work much more efficiently.
And more pleantly to deal with eventhough with USA. Passport holder.
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[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1230203]Sorry, had to laugh at this one. Don't know many people that walk around their driveway with a Chinese sword. I am sure going to jail was not funny. Was it a Jian or Dao sword?[/QUOTE]When you are young it is true one is dumb and full of cum? It was a chinese war Dao sword I use to keep in the doorway. Where I grew up drunks came to the area and park constantly in our driveway / alley and left for the clubs. My brother and I use to come out and slice up all the tires and watch them drive away drunk with their flats.
LBM
Let's stop the madness and get back to what really matters.
Hi all. Does anyone know the latest on buying the above vitamins in BKK? I have heard that they are available in the stalls along Suk at night, but there is a chance they will be fake.
What are the drug stores closest to Asoke which will have these vitamins, and what would be the price I expect to pay? Does buying from a pharmacy mitigate against the risk of getting fakes?
Thanks heaps.
Styk.
[QUOTE=Stykler; 1230273]Hi all. Does anyone know the latest on buying the above vitamins in BKK? I have heard that they are available in the stalls along Suk at night, but there is a chance they will be fake.
What are the drug stores closest to Asoke which will have these vitamins, and what would be the price I expect to pay? Does buying from a pharmacy mitigate against the risk of getting fakes?
Thanks heaps.
Styk.[/QUOTE]Go to Chula Pharmacy on Rama IV Road. Across from Chulalongkorn Hospital (just down from the Crowne Plaza Hotel). No fakes there.
[QUOTE=Stykler; 1230273]Hi all. Does anyone know the latest on buying the above vitamins in BKK?
What are the drug stores closest to Asoke which will have these vitamins, and what would be the price I expect to pay? Does buying from a pharmacy mitigate against the risk of getting fakes?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Have bought kamagra for a friend (really) at the small shop opposite NEP. My friend is still alive. So if it is fake, it is harmless fake, LOL.
I would not touch those street stalls vending blue, yellow pills in faded boxes.
Just go imagine the need to preserve a minimum cool and humidity chain offer required by medicaments: you don't get that from a street stall. That's enough to keep you away, fake or not fake.
[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1230271]Let's stop the madness and get back to what really matters.[/QUOTE]It is all madness! But in all due respect this is the General Thread! Which means all and everything discuss is relevant whether you like it or not. If you are looking for a specific thing that matters then go to that specific thread.
Thanks, LBM
[QUOTE=Stykler; 1230273]Hi all. Does anyone know the latest on buying the above vitamins in BKK? I have heard that they are available in the stalls along Suk at night, but there is a chance they will be fake.
What are the drug stores closest to Asoke which will have these vitamins, and what would be the price I expect to pay? Does buying from a pharmacy mitigate against the risk of getting fakes?
Thanks heaps.
Styk.[/QUOTE]Not sure about BKK, but in Pattaya from places like Fascino I noticed that the vitamins are expensive and the bottles are small compare to what you get in the States like from Costco. If you are here and can't get home then you got to do what you got to do. For example at Costco I get a big bottle of Fish Oil, for $7. 99, 1200mg, and 325 tablets. Here as I remember a small bottle was like 1200 baht and didn't have close to the tablets or MG?
You might also try Watson or Boots?
LBM
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1230084]No such thing as innocent until proven guilty? You don't have to tell me about that. Once I went to court for a traffic ticket (traffic signal violation) and I said I was not guilty. They said I would be taken directly to jail to be processed. For being NOT guilty? I quickly changed my plea to guilty instead of having to go to jail, made the arrangements to pay the fine, and left the courthouse.
Another time it was a stop sign violation at 5am at a spot in my neighborhood where I know the cops always sit. I went to trial on that. I had all my ducks in a row. I asked the cop why he sat in that spot. He said his boss tells him to sit there because people are out jogging and kids are walking to school. At 5am? Did I mention it was raining that morning! I asked how many people he saw out that morning jogging or how many kids walking to school. The prosecutor objected to my question. Sustained. Being that the judge, prosecutor, and police basically work together everyday and are essentially coworkers of course I was found guilty. I had to pay $600 and do 40 hours community service for thinking I wanted to be innocent. If I would have just gone ahead and admitted guilt in the first place then I would have only had to pay $110.
Another incident happened when I was a freshman at the university. A girl said that I stole her electronic organizer. This is when they first came out. She came up to my job harassing me and my manager kicked her off the premises. The next day was Saturday and I went to the police station to see what could be done. They told me nothing could be done. The following Tuesday I was getting out of the shower in my dorm and someone informed me that campus security was looking for me. I got dressed and went to see what they wanted. They ushered me into a back room. There were two city detectives there and the first thing they said to me was,"You have the right to remain silent." I was like what the fuck dude. Then they started questioning me trying to trick me into saying that I stole it. They were getting nowhere so they gave me a citation to appear in court on a certain date. So I paid a lawyer $600 (actually it was my dad who paid) and went to the first court date and the girl said I stole it and I said I didn't. The judge said this must go to trial. Huh? What the hell are we at now? It was pre-trial. $600 lawyer fee down the tubes. I had to go to jail for 8 hours to be processed.
When my court date finally came the girl did not show. Well the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence to change it to another date in order to allow the girl to show up. What evidence? It was my word against hers. No witnesses or anything. When the next date came she didn't show up again. They said forget it, you can go home now. 20 years and 10 months later that shit is still on my record. Every time I have wanted to do anything I have had to get a freaking certified copy saying it was thrown out of court. And you are going to tell me there is a such thing as innocent until proven guilty. HELL NO it ain't. They will put you through so much shit and make you pay so much money with lawyers and such if you think you want to be not guilty that it is just much less of a hassle and costs a lot less to just say you were guilty in the first place.[/QUOTE]You may want to look in to getting the record of the arrest expunged from your record since there was no conviction and no trial. You had two court dates, but if the "witness" didn't show up, there was no trial. The charges were probably dismissed with "prejudice" which meant no repeated attempts to convict you. Under those conditions, many states have expungement statutes that allow or permit the erasing those records and would permit you not to have to list them on any future records. The statutes vary from state to state, so to what extent the law permits is up to that particular jurisdiction this took place.
One of the things you should have done at the time was to file a law suit against your accuser to recover your damages for her wrongful actions. That might have at least got your father's money back and she would have a permanent record of a law suit against her. There are no expungement laws for civil suits and she would have it on her record for the rest of her miserable life.
[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1230271]Let's stop the madness and get back to what really matters.[/QUOTE]I think they were talking to me. Not you. To me it's relevant for leaving and entering the US to monger internationally.
But go ahead on. What YOU been doing'?
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1230228]When you are young it is true one is dumb and full of cum? It was a Chinese war Dao sword I use to keep in the doorway. Where I grew up drunks came to the area and park constantly in our driveway / alley and left for the clubs. My brother and I use to come out and slice up all the tires and watch them drive away drunk with their flats.
LBM[/QUOTE]Thats hilarious!
[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1230271]Let's stop the madness and get back to what really matters.[/QUOTE]You have 8 meaningless posts in the last 4 months. Why don't you post something that matters?
What's your favorite Thailand destination for curt, young (early 20's) non-Issan) Thai gals? I've been all the spots in Bangkok but ready to explore a bit more. I just finished a nine country, round the world trip. Check out my reports in the other forums.
[QUOTE=Booey;1090700]If the club/bar is enclosed and has a/c then smoking is not allowed, technically.[/QUOTE]Just to close this out, I had no problem smoking anywhere in any bar or club in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Palatino314;1233638]Just to close this out, I had no problem smoking anywhere in any bar or club in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I bet you gave plenty of non-smokers problems though with your stinking cigarettes.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1233666]I bet you gave plenty of non-smokers problems though with your stinking cigarettes.[/QUOTE]Usually there are "smoker designated areas", throughout the world.
But the thais (and expatriates runnng bars too) have approached the smoke ban in a different way: you will find ofte signs stating "Non-smoker deisgnated area", usuallya cramp area of the bar, or from where you are out of the scene. Seems legal! Oh well, the monthly visit of the guy in uniform will confirm there is nothing illegal in that.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1233666]I bet you gave plenty of non-smokers problems though with your stinking cigarettes.[/QUOTE]One other thing is some sort of right smokers seem to feel thay have. Seems to be a real issue in Thailand. They throw the butts on the bar floor, the sidewalk, the ground. It is kind of like a :F it, I am in Thailand and can do what the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] I want. Smokers: consider using a trash can or ashtray next time.
[QUOTE=SexPerimenter;1233293]What's your favorite Thailand destination for curt, young (early 20's) non-Issan) Thai gals? I've been all the spots in Bangkok but ready to explore a bit more. I just finished a nine country, round the world trip. Check out my reports in the other forums.[/QUOTE]I have not done this but wanted to after reading the report. Search in Reports of Distinction for Hat Yai. Perhaps more than a year old but a very extensive report that must still be mostly relevant. Do you speak Thai?
Anybody know if I buy a sim card from Seoul if it will work in Bangkok? If not, it's no worry, I'll pick up a sim after I land in BKK.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1233666]I bet you gave plenty of non-smokers problems though with your stinking cigarettes.[/QUOTE]You die if you smoke, you die if you do not smoke.
Is there some kind of difference, you will die?
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1230424]You have 8 meaningless posts in the last 4 months. Why don't you post something that matters?[/QUOTE]Apparently they mattered enough for you to go back and count them. Silly silly man...lol.
[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1233932]Apparently they mattered enough for you to go back and count them. Silly silly man.lol.[/QUOTE]Took all of 5 seconds. A worthless amount of time, just like your posts.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1233759]You die if you smoke, you die if you do not smoke.
Is there some kind of difference, you will die?[/QUOTE]Yes, the difference is the stinking smell of the smoke that floats into my face, my hair, and my clothes while I'm trying to enjoy myself at the bar.
Smoking cigarettes has gone out of fashion for at least the last 20 years; only losers and addicts are smoking these days and it's an incredibly rude, stinking, irritating habit for those nearby who have to put up with it.
I'm not worried about dying. I just don't appreciate the stink up my nose from cigarette smoke invading my personal space in a public place. Smoking in enclosed bars is illegal in Thailand but the police don't enforce it. If they did, the bar owners would stop putting out ashtrays for smokers and the rest of us could finally catch a break.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1234050]Yes, the difference is the stinking smell of the smoke that floats into my face, my hair, and my clothes while I'm trying to enjoy myself at the bar.
Smoking cigarettes has gone out of fashion for at least the last 20 years; only losers and addicts are smoking these days and it's an incredibly rude, stinking, irritating habit for those nearby who have to put up with it.
I'm not worried about dying. I just don't appreciate the stink up my nose from cigarette smoke invading my personal space in a public place. Smoking in enclosed bars is illegal in Thailand but the police don't enforce it. If they did, the bar owners would stop putting out ashtrays for smokers and the rest of us could finally catch a break.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Why do I have to put up with someone else, making me stink and cough and in need of a shower. Mr. Smoker, how bought I throw a bag of shit on you. Would you like that?
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1234050]Yes, the difference is the stinking smell of the smoke that floats into my face, my hair, and my clothes while I'm trying to enjoy myself at the bar.
Smoking cigarettes has gone out of fashion for at least the last 20 years; only losers and addicts are smoking these days and it's an incredibly rude, stinking, irritating habit for those nearby who have to put up with it.
I'm not worried about dying. I just don't appreciate the stink up my nose from cigarette smoke invading my personal space in a public place. Smoking in enclosed bars is illegal in Thailand but the police don't enforce it. If they did, the bar owners would stop putting out ashtrays for smokers and the rest of us could finally catch a break.[/QUOTE]Gents,
I had quit the smoking habit for over 20years and I have to admit that was the most important act that I can do for myself a big favor. I don't mind and worrying about dying as people dies every second. However, I just want to live a much healthy life and enjoy my day more without the toxic cigarettes into my body. Another, I am enjoy a much better sex life and mongering happy time in Bangkok. On top of that, with a sky high cost of cigarette these days, I can save a lot of money for my mongering trip, at least a round trip ticket LA to BKK per year. So, It is a totally win win for quiting smoking.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1233759]You die if you smoke, you die if you do not smoke.
Is there some kind of difference, you will die?[/QUOTE]Sorry in due respect there is a difference. I grew up in a smoking family for me I never touch. My dad was a 2 plus packs a day how my mother took it all those years in the same room (second hand smoke) just don't know but he died from smoking before his time. His brother also a 2 packs smoker retired at 70,was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer a month later and month after that it spread and ate his spinal core and he died 2 months after his retirement.
My older brother turn 74 last September and has been smoking since he was seventeen was diagnosed with stage 4 throat and lung cancer. Should I be surprise here is a guy that his car ceiling was dripping with nicotine. His whole house when you walk in is dripping with stains of smoke since he never open a window and refuse to smoke outside his own house. He prove that a Oreck air purifier didn't stand a chance after one month I had to clean the exchangers with auto car degreaser and that didn't help much. His favorite line to me and everyone who love him was that it was his life and he was going to do what he wanted he didn't want to quit.
When I flew home after I got the news I saw him in the hospital and although he was only 74 years of age the nurses though he was my mother husband my mother is 93 years old! I know guys who fuck like jack rabbits at D. D. And they are my brothers age. What a waste of life. I've had many conversations through the years about his smoking and when I look in his eyes I see death in his face and that I was right. That no matter how much you want others to believe it is your life and you do as you like! It does affect your love ones! Sure you can wake up one morning and walk out the door and get hit by a car and you die but saying one way or another its going to happen is just the easy excuse that it is just bad for you and everyone around.
I'm going home soon most likely to give the doctors the permission to pull the plug on a life that was destroy early by smoking.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1234330]Sorry in due respect there is a difference. I grew up in a smoking family for me I never touch. My dad was a 2 plus packs a day how my mother took it all those years in the same room (second hand smoke) just don't know but he died from smoking before his time. His brother also a 2 packs smoker retired at 70, was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer a month later and month after that it spread and ate his spinal core and he died 2 months after his retirement.
My older brother turn 74 last September and has been smoking since he was seventeen was diagnosed with stage 4 throat and lung cancer. Should I be surprise here is a guy that his car ceiling was dripping with nicotine. His whole house when you walk in is dripping with stains of smoke since he never open a window and refuse to smoke outside his own house. He prove that a Oreck air purifier didn't stand a chance after one month I had to clean the exchangers with auto car degreaser and that didn't help much. His favorite line to me and everyone who love him was that it was his life and he was going to do what he wanted he didn't want to quit.
When I flew home after I got the news I saw him in the hospital and although he was only 74 years of age the nurses though he was my mother husband my mother is 93 years old! I know guys who fuck like jack rabbits at D. D. And they are my brothers age. What a waste of life. I've had many conversations through the years about his smoking and when I look in his eyes I see death in his face and that I was right. That no matter how much you want others to believe it is your life and you do as you like! It does affect your love ones! Sure you can wake up one morning and walk out the door and get hit by a car and you die but saying one way or another its going to happen is just the easy excuse that it is just bad for you and everyone around.
I'm going home soon most likely to give the doctors the permission to pull the plug on a life that was destroy early by smoking.
LBM[/QUOTE]Very well stated. I quit 12 years ago at the age of 34 and am delighted to be free of cigarettes! You know what got me to quit? My father told me his urologist stated that 75% of the men he treated for impotence in their 50s and 60s were smokers. For me the choice was easy. I would rather screw than smoke. And no, Viagra won't help as the nicotine destroys capillaries.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1234340]Very well stated. I quit 12 years ago at the age of 34 and am delighted to be free of cigarettes! You know what got me to quit? My father told me his urologist stated that 75% of the men he treated for impotence in their 50s and 60s were smokers. For me the choice was easy. I would rather screw than smoke. And no, Viagra won't help as the nicotine destroys capillaries.[/QUOTE]Thats because you guys are all smokin the wrong stuff.
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[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1234347]Thats because you guys are all smokin the wrong stuff.[/QUOTE]The guys I know that have been smoking pot for 40 years seem to have developed a attitude problem. Quick temper to be precise! The others who smoke the crack pipe never take a shower. The only smoking worth anything is BBBJ!
Smokin.
LBM
Does anybody know a good cheap reliable website to buy generic viagra?
Thanks,
JB
[QUOTE=JohnnyBraz;1236581]Does anybody know a good cheap reliable website to buy generic viagra?[/QUOTE]"Cheap","reliable","website": you may choose only two.
Terror attack warning for Bangkok.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/275156/teror-alerts-mount[/url]
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1237259]Terror attack warning for Bangkok.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/275156/teror-alerts-mount[/url][/QUOTE]FWIW, Thai authorities are now alleging the threat was actually targeting another country as the bomb materials were to be shipped elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1236597]"Cheap","reliable","website": you may choose only two.[/QUOTE]Now thats funny.
There is so much of discrimination against Indians in Thailand. I first went to Bangkok and I did not have a good time. So I decided to come to Pattaya on the fly. It is not better here.
Let me tell a little about my self. I am in my early thirties, in great health, work out pretty much every day and I am in great athletic shape. I take care of myself very well. I have been living in the US for the last decade or so. I make good money and have a healthy mongering budget. I have read the forum and realize there are bad perceptions about the Indians, for right or wrong reasons. All I know is that I did not do anything to contribute to that but I am having to pay the price.
I just started mongering. Before my Thailand trip I went to south America and I had a blast there. I will be traveling some more in south east Asia. But I want to get out of Thailand as soon as possible. Any suggestions by the members here as to where I can go in south east Asia and have a good time. I have money to spend but unfortunately the Thai girls don't want it. How is Jakarta? Do Indians have a bad reputation there as well?
I just started mongering. So I don't want bad experiences here in Thailand to spoil it for me. Of course I will write a report on my experiences in Bangkok and Pattaya and contrast the experience with what I had in south America.
PS: I typed this on a cellphone. So please pardon any typing errors.
[QUOTE=Dolittle; 1241434]There is so much of discrimination against Indians in Thailand. I first went to Bangkok and I did not have a good time. So I decided to come to Pattaya on the fly. It is not better here.
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Any suggestions by the members here as to where I can go in south east Asia and have a good time.[/QUOTE]What you say is absolutely true. The prejudice against Indians is absolutely senseless for obvious reasons (how can they hate Indians and have Ganesh and Shiva statues all over the place) , but it is there. Have you looked into the Philippines? The girls there don't seem to have any hangups about black Americans, so maybe they are OK with Indians. Jakarta has a pretty limited, though fun scene, but I have no idea about the prejudice factor there.
[QUOTE=Dolittle; 1241434]There is so much of discrimination against Indians in Thailand. I first went to Bangkok and I did not have a good time.
I have money to spend but unfortunately the Thai girls don't want it.
I just started mongering. So I don't want bad experiences here in Thailand to spoil it for me. Of course I will write a report on my experiences in Bangkok and Pattaya and contrast the experience with what I had in south America.[/QUOTE]Many Indians have a great time here. As to why you didn't, we'll have to hear the report of your experiences. Being a newbie might be part of the problem. Smelling like curry sauce from 10 feet away could be another issue. Even then, though, I'm sure there are many TGs who would still take your money, if you are friendly, reasonable & generous.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1241686]Many Indians have a great time here. As to why you didn't, we'll have to hear the report of your experiences. Being a newbie might be part of the problem. Smelling like curry sauce from 10 feet away could be another issue. Even then, though, I'm sure there are many TGs who would still take your money, if you are friendly, reasonable & generous.[/QUOTE]Reading the forum I can gather why Indians have a bad reputation. There are legitimate reasons for some of the discrimination that happens. No girl wants to sleep with someone who has bad body odor no matter how much money is offered. And acting like a cheap charlie is one other reason that has been offered.
What I have been offended with is the broad generalization that is applied to all who look like Indians. Like I said, I had nothing to contribute to the reputation that Indians have, good or bad. When I am on a vacation I like to be treated as a person and not as a "broad generalization".
That being said, I know you can have a good time. Of the 7 or more days I spent here, I also had a few days when I great time with some nice Thai girls. What I detested was the effort I had to go through to prove that I am 'datable'. For example, When I went to Secrets, I dropped 800 baht in the first 5 mins in buying drinks to the girls there and the hostess. I went to Secret when the customer crowd was small so I would be noticed. After I did that, I found all the girls there smiling at me and showing interest in wanting to be with me. But the selection was not all that great.
What spoilt my Thailand experience for me is that places like Fahrenheit and Alcatraz did not even let me in. So when you feel discriminated like that it affects you. I am a person after all and not a robot. And when things like this happens it stays at the back of your mind and affects your approach. When I am on a vacation and spending money I prefer not to think about all this.
I am pretty much just like you, from India but live abroad, have been to Bangkok twice and experienced absolutely NO discrimination.
I can certainly understand why some Thais may not like Indians' behaviour but thats what happens in Auckland, Sydney and Vancouver too. Perhaps you did not do a read up and land landed in wrong places. I will be visiting shortly and post my reports but if you read my previous reports, there was no problem at all.
[QUOTE=Dolittle; 1241434]There is so much of discrimination against Indians in Thailand. I first went to Bangkok and I did not have a good time. So I decided to come to Pattaya on the fly. It is not better here.
Let me tell a little about my self. I am in my early thirties, in great health, work out pretty much every day and I am in great athletic shape. I take care of myself very well. I have been living in the US for the last decade or so. I make good money and have a healthy mongering budget. I have read the forum and realize there are bad perceptions about the Indians, for right or wrong reasons. All I know is that I did not do anything to contribute to that but I am having to pay the price.
I just started mongering. Before my Thailand trip I went to south America and I had a blast there. I will be traveling some more in south east Asia. But I want to get out of Thailand as soon as possible. Any suggestions by the members here as to where I can go in south east Asia and have a good time. I have money to spend but unfortunately the Thai girls don't want it. How is Jakarta? Do Indians have a bad reputation there as well?
I just started mongering. So I don't want bad experiences here in Thailand to spoil it for me. Of course I will write a report on my experiences in Bangkok and Pattaya and contrast the experience with what I had in south America.
PS: I typed this on a cellphone. So please pardon any typing errors.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dolittle; 1241772]Reading the forum I can gather why Indians have a bad reputation. There are legitimate reasons for some of the discrimination that happens. No girl wants to sleep with someone who has bad body odor no matter how much money is offered. And acting like a cheap charlie is one other reason that has been offered.
What I have been offended with is the broad generalization that is applied to all who look like Indians. Like I said, I had nothing to contribute to the reputation that Indians have, good or bad. When I am on a vacation I like to be treated as a person and not as a "broad generalization".
That being said, I know you can have a good time. Of the 7 or more days I spent here, I also had a few days when I great time with some nice Thai girls. What I detested was the effort I had to go through to prove that I am 'datable'. For example, When I went to Secrets, I dropped 800 baht in the first 5 mins in buying drinks to the girls there and the hostess. I went to Secret when the customer crowd was small so I would be noticed. After I did that, I found all the girls there smiling at me and showing interest in wanting to be with me. But the selection was not all that great.
What spoilt my Thailand experience for me is that places like Fahrenheit and Alcatraz did not even let me in. So when you feel discriminated like that it affects you. I am a person after all and not a robot. And when things like this happens it stays at the back of your mind and affects your approach. When I am on a vacation and spending money I prefer not to think about all this.[/QUOTE]That's perfectly understandable and reasonable. I've had girls turn me down & even had one run away from me when I approached one at Thermae, as soon as I began speaking to her. Maybe she thought I was EI. It can put a damper on the partying, that's for sure.
Regarding other destinations in SE Asia, I am not familiar with the prejudices that other countries have. Perhaps it would be best to inquire on the ISG forums related to those areas and see what the mongers with experience there have to contribute. Though I would suggest it is possible you may find the disadvantages to Thailand are outweighed by its advantages over other nearby destinations. Perhaps you just had a run of bad luck for a bit, as we all do from time to time?
[QUOTE=Dolittle; 1241434]There is so much of discrimination against Indians in Thailand. I first went to Bangkok and I did not have a good time. So I decided to come to Pattaya on the fly. It is not better here.
Let me tell a little about my self. I am in my early thirties, in great health, work out pretty much every day and I am in great athletic shape. I take care of myself very well. I have been living in the US for the last decade or so. I make good money and have a healthy mongering budget. I have read the forum and realize there are bad perceptions about the Indians, for right or wrong reasons. All I know is that I did not do anything to contribute to that but I am having to pay the price.[/QUOTE]You are right. Your predecessors have made the bad reputation. I have been to LOS many times. At first there were some discrimination but only at the entrance to some clubs. Who cares.
If you were expecting to land up and go to a brothel, you got it wrong. This is not a brothel. But rather a meat market, buying and selling services. First, one has to sit back and study the field. Make some friends with these girls. Once you get a friend then have them get their friends to be your friends. See where I am going here? (However, be careful and make sure they know you are a butterfly or you will incur the wrath of the first one.) Sex and GF experience will follow. Have a good attitude.
Showing a lot of money will always attract a lot of smiling girls. Aaah, here's an ATM.
Learn about the people and their culture. Try to speak their language or at least some words and phrases. If you are always a horndog, you will not have a good experience. Treat them with respect and your mileage will go a long way.
I have friends for the last 10-15 years. Even though I have not been able to go for the last 2 years, I know that once I land there and call them, they will come over. And I don't pay them thousands of Bahts. They spend time with me and I love their company.
So get over the fact that they discriminate. Look at yourself and see what you can do from your side. I too live in US and I see the discrimination here too (but not very openly). You want a brothel go to FKK Clubs in Germany, Geylang in Singapore or Beatles Club in Costa Rica. But Thailand, my friend is a total experience. You can get the best and the worst. As they say, up to you.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1242006]I've heard many a thai girl say they want notheing to do with indians. There has got to be more than the odor thing. Can someone start a list of what th e indians did to be so hated by sweet thai girls.[/QUOTE]List of things I've heard. I don't know if they are true or not. These behaviours are associated with a minority. However, they get associated with all the good people and everyone suffers.
1. BO.
2. Cheap Charlies. No tips etc.
3. Treat the girls like shit.
4. Low class background.
5. Owns many prime properties Like Patpong etc.
6. Thai Air (Extra cheap airfares so even the poor people in India can take a trip to LOS)
7. 4 for 1. I gets the girl to the room and 3 other come out of the closet to have a gang bang. No extra money for the girls.
8. Abusive in some cases. I know of one who was proud of it and a Professor in US University to boot. Fucking asshole.
That's all I know. Maybe others can chime in. And yes being an Indian myself I am ashamed of these people.
When TGs ask me I say I am an American or Canadian (depending on the political climate). LOL.
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1242188]List of things I've heard. I don't know if they are true or not. These behaviours are associated with a minority. However, they get associated with all the good people and everyone suffers.
And yes being an Indian myself I am ashamed of these people.
When TGs ask me I say I am an American or Canadian (depending on the political climate). LOL.[/QUOTE]With no racist disrespect but as a fact, the indian forums on ISG are the highlights of some unusual mongering behaviour, with more questions than facts.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1242006]I've heard many a thai girl say they want notheing to do with indians. There has got to be more than the odor thing. Can someone start a list of what th e indians did to be so hated by sweet thai girls.[/QUOTE]I have asked many. Mostly the comments are about their odor (breath / BO) and that they are cheap. Lets be honest, Mumbai and New Delhi are rated as two of the filthiest cities in the world. I am sure not every Indian is dirty and stinks, but there is that reputation. Just like certain peoples are characterized as arrogant, rude, rich, always trying to screw someone, etc.
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1242188]List of things I've heard. I don't know if they are true or not. These behaviours are associated with a minority. However, they get associated with all the good people and everyone suffers.
1. BO.[/QUOTE]BO is the number one reason. One TG said that she carries a cologne and uses it on her Indian clients.
I don't think its just the Thai WG that has that kind of attitude towards Indians. Thats how people from most of the SE asian nations feel about Indians. Indians love to be loud, argumentative and bossy, specailly to the poorer people.
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1242188]7. 4 for 1. I gets the girl to the room and 3 other come out of the closet to have a gang bang. No extra money for the girls.[/QUOTE]I can't imagine this being true, more like mythical lore where it was reported happening once, and the 3 other Indians actually thought this was perfectly acceptable behavior. However, it certainly is a disconcerting thought of seeing 3 naked Indians approaching with ill-advised intentions!
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1242188]7. 4 for 1. I gets the girl to the room and 3 other come out of the closet to have a gang bang. No extra money for the girls.[/QUOTE]The verision I heard was that they hide behind the curtains.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1242188]7. 4 for 1. I gets the girl to the room and 3 other come out of the closet to have a gang bang. No extra money for the girls.[/QUOTE]How unsophisticated. Have your friends hide under the bed, close the curtains, switch off all lights and then trade places after each pop. The girl will think you have great stamina!
My few cents from 3 years of mongering experience:
There are lot of good, genuine, clear, DnD free Indian people out there who have never been turned down by WL, like me.
And as a matter of fact there are lot of un-hygenice people who goes to MP / WL and many of them are not from India.
So please stop this BS talk and get the facts.
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[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1242188]List of things I've heard. I don't know if they are true or not. These behaviours are associated with a minority. However, they get associated with all the good people and everyone suffers.
1. BO.
2. Cheap Charlies. No tips etc.
3. Treat the girls like shit.
4. Low class background.
5. Owns many prime properties Like Patpong etc.
6. Thai Air (Extra cheap airfares so even the poor people in India can take a trip to LOS)
7. 4 for 1. I gets the girl to the room and 3 other come out of the closet to have a gang bang. No extra money for the girls.
8. Abusive in some cases. I know of one who was proud of it and a Professor in US University to boot. Fucking asshole.
That's all I know. Maybe others can chime in. And yes being an Indian myself I am ashamed of these people.
When TGs ask me I say I am an American or Canadian (depending on the political climate). LOL.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Pavp79; 1242720]My few cents from 3 years of mongering experience:
There are lot of good, genuine, clear, DnD free Indian people out there who have never been turned down by WL, like me.
And as a matter of fact there are lot of un-hygenice people who goes to MP / WL and many of them are not from India.
So please stop this BS talk and get the facts.
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[u][b]EDITOR's NOTE[/b][/u]: [blue]This report was edited or deleted because it was an attempt by the author to encourage members to [u]CONTACT HIM on ANOTHER WEBSITE[/u]. In the future, please refrain from posting requests for forum members to contact you on another website. [i]Thanks! [/i][/blue][/QUOTE]My comments and most of the others are directly from the girls who service these men. They do make negative comments about other races / countries also. But, I believe this was a question about men from India.
Also, good for you for not having any of the issues the girls report about India men.
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1242188]List of things I've heard. I don't know if they are true or not. These behaviours are associated with a minority. However, they get associated with all the good people and everyone suffers.
7. 4 for 1. I gets the girl to the room and 3 other come out of the closet to have a gang bang. No extra money for the girls.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha Duniawala you are a racist to the core to tell and believe this sentence you said, Come onnnnn Will any thai girl let those guys go away just like that. She can just haul a police and get them screwed in minutes. You have to be stupid or naive or both to believe that.
Another reason, why Indians get a bad name is all deeds done by South Asians (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, srilankans, and most arabic nations) gets all clubbed together as "Indians" LOL. Just because the Thais are racists we shouldn't be getting into believing their shit. Huh?
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1242901]My comments and most of the others are directly from the girls who service these men. They do make negative comments about other races / countries also. But, I believe this was a question about men from India.
Also, good for you for not having any of the issues the girls report about India men.[/QUOTE]To Admin.
Didn't meant to steal away users from this site. But thanks anyways for deleting those statements.
Cheers,
[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1242922]Hahahaha Duniawala you are a racist to the core to tell and believe this sentence you said, Come onnnnn Will any thai girl let those guys go away just like that. She can just haul a police and get them screwed in minutes. You have to be stupid or naive or both to believe that.
Another reason, why Indians get a bad name is all deeds done by South Asians (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, srilankans, and most arabic nations) gets all clubbed together as "Indians" LOL. Just because the Thais are racists we shouldn't be getting into believing their shit. Huh?[/QUOTE]In reply to your first question, I don't feel like a racist. Never turned down a pussy of any race. I love them all and they all love me. .
Now about the story of 4 for 1. This was told to me a long time ago. Maybe someone started it and it became a myth.
You are right about you second comment. Can't do much about it huh? Not when people cannot distinguish between them.
Now that we started with the Indians how about a list about the Brits, Aussies and Americans. I know the Brits usually get drunk and create a ruckus, but would like to know more.
Racism is there all over the world. Besides who cares anyway if Thai WG like any perticular race? There are enough to go around so it should not be a problem.
Yes, it is true most WG take a shower before and after and insist on guys do the same. I am sure smelly anybody will smell clean. Even if their breath stinks because of spicy food a nice brush will take care of it.
I think Thai girls do not prefer Indians mainly because Indians are not big spenders and they insist on getting their money's worth. Also it is probably true that in Indian Society prostitutes are not given any respect.
American WG do not like to take a shower. Most common excuse is their hair gets messed up and they need to put on make up after. So generally they smell, more so if they smoke. They just wash the pussy after.
Does it mean we do not have sex with them?
It is not a problem to find a willing girl out of many thousands irrespective of your race in Thailand.
[QUOTE=AssLover945;1242922]all deeds done by South Asians (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, srilankans, and most arabic nations) gets all clubbed together as "Indians"?[/QUOTE]Actually to the girls with even remote experience, they are known more so as either Hindus, Muslims, Israelis, Sikhs, or whatever else religion there is, more so than simply 'Indian. ' And the girls well know who tips and who don't. There is a place on Soi 11 where they cluster and congregate. Put on your best perfume and go see for yourself.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1230306]It is all madness! But in all due respect this is the General Thread! Which means all and everything discuss is relevant whether you like it or not. If you are looking for a specific thing that matters then go to that specific thread.
Thanks, LBM[/QUOTE]It's no use! The Bangkok thread and most others are full of everything but good mongering reports! Drinking water, orchids, burgers, taxis, and so on. The reports are not just once in a while either. The drinking water debate went on for days and should have been in this general thread. I believe that this guy is correct. Let the madness stop.
My observations are that P4P TG SWs around Nana are more willing to bang BB for 20 minutes than DFK for that time. I suppose this is because it is habitual for them as in what they are accustomed to with their Thai sex partners. IOW I suggest many do it BB with their BFs, GIKs, and other non farang customers, while the Western style kissing is off the menu and substituted for the Thai style smooch, which is not really a smooch at all but a face hug or being cheek to cheek. BTW the other day I was inside a SWT in the standing up position and Thai kissing her & she seemed to respond better to this than other positions, although she also always smiles when she's on top. Maybe just horny that day? Any comments? Are Thais that uninformed about so-called "safe sex" practices? Or is it that their attitude to life is, live & let alone, what will be will be, enjoy the moment, and they find mouth to mouth or FK disgusting?
On the weather front, this afternoon there was a huge thunderstorm with heavy tropical downpour today, Thursday Feb 2, lasting over an hour and ending about 230 pm.
[QUOTE=Mooris7;1243736]It's no use! The Bangkok thread and most others are full of everything but good mongering reports! Drinking water, orchids, burgers, taxis, and so on. The reports are not just once in a while either. The drinking water debate went on for days and should have been in this general thread. I believe that this guy is correct. Let the madness stop.[/QUOTE]Madness? Really? IMHO drinking water, flowers, burgers, taxis, and many other everyday matters are vital to a great mongering experience in Thailand. After all, if you drink tap water in Pattaya, you might not have such a good time here over the next few days. It's also nice to know where the good places are to eat; the do's and don'ts with taxis, etc.
Why not just read the reports you are interested in and stop complaining about those you aren't? The last thing we need here is another nagging forum nanny.
BTW. What did your own report above have to do with good mongering?
This might be a longshot, but does anyone know a place in BKK to meet hot Japanese girls? There must be a few here and there working or on vacation and a place where they tend to congregate.
I've heard a number of complaints or comments along the lines of "I don't go with / like Indian men" from Bangkok working girls.
When I ask why, the most common refrain runs along the lines of "they want me to go with 2 or 3 of them, and they offer 500 baht".
I suspect the Indian guys who frequent and hunt at the after hour clubs may be a little different, because any such tactics would crash and burn in very short order.
[QUOTE=Catire; 1243860]I've heard a number of complaints or comments along the lines of "I don't go with / like Indian men" from Bangkok working girls.
When I ask why, the most common refrain runs along the lines of "they want me to go with 2 or 3 of them, and they offer 500 baht".
I suspect the Indian guys who frequent and hunt at the after hour clubs may be a little different, because any such tactics would crash and burn in very short order.[/QUOTE]Hi Catire,
This observation is correct.
I too have spoken to few girls and they give different reasons.
Some say they do not pay well, some say they stink, some say they are not good looking and some say what you mentioned in your report. 1 girl and 3 guys! However, this is a different breed. Either they are traveling for the first time or are on an incentive tour.
[QUOTE=Mooris7;1243736]It's no use! The Bangkok thread and most others are full of everything but good mongering reports! Drinking water, orchids, burgers, taxis, and so on. The reports are not just once in a while either. The drinking water debate went on for days and should have been in this general thread. I believe that this guy is correct. Let the madness stop.[/QUOTE]Mooris. You are so RIGHT! Since it appears all the moderator positions are filled why not just put us all on "
Ignore"? And I thought I was a complainer!
[QUOTE=Mooris7; 1243736]It's no use! The Bangkok thread and most others are full of everything but good mongering reports! Drinking water, orchids, burgers, taxis, and so on. The reports are not just once in a while either. The drinking water debate went on for days and should have been in this general thread. I believe that this guy is correct. Let the madness stop. [/QUOTE.
That's the problem, you are so focus on one thing you can't even see that the reason it goes on and on is to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off. The more you complain the more we continue about the topic.
Relax, whether you know it or not you now know not to drink the water in Bangkok.
LBM
BANGKOK, Thailand. A panty pilferer pulled over by police was found with more than a thousand pair of women's panties in the trunk of his car.
Police in Bangkok, Thailand, said they also found more than ten thousand pair of panties at the house of the 48-year-old Thai suspect, who was arrested with an accomplice after breaking into a building in Bangkok's Chinatown.
They said the man admitted to stealing and collecting women's underwear since the age of 18.
"He smelled them all the time even while driving," said police Major General Saroj Promcharoen.
The suspect will be charged with stealing property, though not the underwear for now because there are no plaintiffs, said Thai police.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1243885]Relax, whether you know it or not you now know not to drink the water in Bangkok.
LBM[/QUOTE]Which water? You mean tap water? I mean, drinking bottled water should still be possible, right? Is there any danger in doing that? I was under that impression as a friend once upon a time told me that etc etc etc etc. LMAO! Have fun guys and be careful that a lady drink is not made with too much water and beware of the orchid used to decorate the glass: it is not to be eaten: burgers are tobe eaten? Where from? Get a taxi!
Ever been at Nana Plaza and had to take a Shit? I have and it is hard to find a clean spot that smells nice. A few of the toliets around that area are filthy. You think a snake or crocodile is going to crawl up that bowl and bite your AH.
Walk a block down the street toward the toll road and go the the JW Marriott. It has the cleanist, nicest smelling shit holes in the entire area.
Now, this is a topic worth discussing!
Nice report Luvpuss!
Now, what street vendor do you guys recommend for the best coconuts in Sukhumvit? I'm partial to the one in front of Terminal 21, exit B.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1244071]The question you should you ask is.are you infromed about safe sex practices?[/QUOTE]I did that. Are there 9 more steps to this program. Or should I just review the Safe Sex thread & see if anyone has replied to my posts there yet.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1244169]Ever been at Nana Plaza and had to take a Shit? I have and it is hard to find a clean spot that smells nice. A few of the toliets around that area are filthy. You think a snake or crocodile is going to crawl up that bowl and bite your AH.
Walk a block down the street toward the toll road and go the the JW Marriott. It has the cleanist, nicest smelling shit holes in the entire area.
Now, this is a topic worth discussing![/QUOTE]Whether I stay there or not I always use the bathroom at Nana Hotel and no one has ever ask me what I was doing. Pass the hotel reception head towards the elevator and next to the guard desk the bathroom is right there. Even at night when I use to go to club there it was always clean. Clean enough in my opinion to grab a Bangkok post from the lobby area to read while I'm taking a shit.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1244830]Whether I stay there or not I always use the bathroom at Nana Hotel and no one has ever ask me what I was doing. Pass the hotel reception head towards the elevator and next to the guard desk the bathroom is right there. Even at night when I use to go to club there it was always clean. Clean enough in my opinion to grab a Bangkok post from the lobby area to read while I'm taking a shit.
LBM[/QUOTE]That is great to know. A clean hole and an English paper to boot. I will check it out next time.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1244857]That is great to know. A clean hole and an English paper to boot. I will check it out next time.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I'm pretty considerate, I usually leave the paper nicely folded and place on the tissue rack. If you see it then you know LBM was just there? Another good tip is use the next stall!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1245058]I'm pretty considerate, I usually leave the paper nicely folded and place on the tissue rack. If you see it then you know LBM was just there? Another good tip is use the next stall!
LBM[/QUOTE]HAHA. Got it!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1244830]Whether I stay there or not I always use the bathroom at Nana Hotel and no one has ever ask me what I was doing. Pass the hotel reception head towards the elevator and next to the guard desk the bathroom is right there. Even at night when I use to go to club there it was always clean. Clean enough in my opinion to grab a Bangkok post from the lobby area to read while I'm taking a shit.[/QUOTE]Good thing that I read your post before I headed out to meet up with Chill Out tonight. Afterwards, I ended up using this method over at the Grace Hotel. Worked like a charm and it was as clean as the Nana. There was a lady who stands outside the door and comes in to flush all the toilets and check for cleanliness every 5 minutes.
I hope this is the right thread for this request.
If not, please direct me to a more appropriate thread.
Although I am near retirement age I am totally new to sex tourism. (Wish I had discovered this years ago. Sigh!)
I will soon be in Japan on business and want to take an 8 day trip to Thailand or Cambodia for some erotic entertainment.
For the bar scene I would really like to find a place where I can just spend time and have fun with a girl in exchange for buying her drinks without being pressured to engage her services unless / untill I decide I want to.
I also enjoy karaoke, but I am not a fan of loud disco bars.
For intimacy I prefer simple straight sex (boring?) although the various types of massage with happy endings sound interesting.
As I am by no means an extrovert I think younger, less experienced girls would be a more satisfying experience for me.
When I toured Asia with the US Navy in the 60's I loved Taiwan, but it is a different world today.
Any insight anyone would take the time to provide about where to go, stay, hang out, ect. Or things to do or avoid would be greatly appreciated.
Hopefully I will someday be able to contribute to this forum from my own experiences instead of asking for advise.
Happy mongering.
[QUOTE=GPa69; 1245402]I hope this is the right thread for this request.
If not, please direct me to a more appropriate thread.
Although I am near retirement age I am totally new to sex tourism. (Wish I had discovered this years ago. Sigh!)
Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Well, you have taken the first step. You know what you want.
First. Research and read the forum. Go back a few weeks or months. The forum is organized by topics / threads.
Next. After you go through the research, ask the missing info, and we would be glad to help out.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1245614]Well, you have taken the first step. You know what you want.
First. Research and read the forum. Go back a few weeks or months. The forum is organized by topics / threads.
Next. After you go through the research, ask the missing info, and we would be glad to help out.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Thanks Duniawala. I will definately do my reasearch before asking for any more specifics. But I would still welcome opinions as to the best places to find what I am looking for. (Thailand vs Cambodia, Bangkok vs Pattaya, etc.)
Forgive me for my ignorance. But I just ran into something peculiar for the 2nd time, when getting to know a Thai girl (non p4p) and asking about her past boyfriends / relationships, they tend to get offensive and snap! This is a complete 180 from almost all of the American gals I've dated, sometimes you can't get them to shut up about their ex's!
First time was a mid 20 office worker, I'd rate her an 8-9, did some car modeling on the side. I was chatting with her, and asked something along the lines of why she didn't have a boyfriend. She totally snapped, saying she didn't want to talk about it. Wow! I apologized, didn't mean to offend, just getting to know you more. She remained quite vigilant and it was the last time I spoke to her. It was too bad, because she was smoking hot.
Not long ago, I was having conversation a girl, another office worker. 32, and she never mentioned or hinted of any ex-bf or husband or anything like that. After a while, I found it somewhat strange and my curiosity got the best of me. I asked her about her ex-bf's or if she was ever married. She said "I don't know." WTF? I kept pressing her a bit, perhaps it was best not to, but I was in a stubborn sort of mood. She then said NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! Haha.
I always felt like they're hiding something, granted most Thai girls aren't like this, usually they divulge, but with 2 girls acting in the same manner, I find this sample size large enough that they tend not to enjoy talking about their past relationships. Perhaps someone with more experience with the way of the Thai girl can chime in on this?
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1245703]Forgive me for my ignorance. asked something along the lines of why she didn't have a boyfriend. She totally snapped, saying she didn't want to talk about it. conversation a girl, another office worker. 32, and she never mentioned or hinted of any ex-bf or husband or anything like that. After a while, I found it somewhat strange and my curiosity got the best of me. I asked her about her ex-bf's or if she was ever married. She said "I don't know." WTF? She then said NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! Haha. more experience with the way of the Thai girl can chime in on this?[/QUOTE]This isn't an issue of more experience, but rather your type of experience: the type of american women from which you have drawn your conclusions, that 'you can't get them to shut up about their ex's! ' Are they 'smoking hot', the american women who enjoy having these types of conversations with you? Try hitting on these type of Thai women, and you'll be right back in your comfort zone. Or, the alternative: try respectiing the girls, I. E, behave like a gentleman, or the best facsimile you can manage. Really, though, who cares about their past? You were just trying to find out if they were available, but you were too clumsy to be able to determine this most basic information, or else too clueless to recognize that the smoking hot girl had no interest in you.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1245703]Forgive me for my ignorance. But I just ran into something peculiar for the 2nd time, when getting to know a Thai girl (non p4p) and asking about her past boyfriends / relationships, they tend to get offensive and snap! This is a complete 180 from almost all of the American gals I've dated, sometimes you can't get them to shut up about their ex's![/QUOTE]I met up with a chick two days ago who hit me up on tagged and it was the same story. She didn't snap but she refused to talk about her past relationship only saying that they were not meant for each other because they wanted different things for long term.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1245720]I met up with a chick two days ago who hit me up on tagged and it was the same story. She didn't snap but she refused to talk about her past relationship only saying that they were not meant for each other because they wanted different things for long term.[/QUOTE]The thing is, it was certainly nothing more than casual conversation, harmless banter, but I guess some folks, as the one a few posts below, thought of me to be intrusive or not acting like a gentlemen. This was, most assuredly, not the case. Almost all the Thai girls will ask relationship / family type of questions, and then when I ask one, and am met with a "none of your business" or "I don't want to talk about it" something is not right here. Yes, they are free to say or do whatever they want, but so can anyone choose to walk the down the street wearing a plastic dildo on their forehead, its just not within the realm of normalcy. And despite the poster below not caring about someone's past, it might be important to get to know someone's past, while not always essential in every case, its certainly relevant in some.
I think and I might be wrong but in America it is said when a person talks too much about their ex they haven't completely gotten over them good or bad? My opinion also on dating sites, in this particular case, for Thai women they are sick and tired of being with their own kind and also a monetary motive? How many times have you heard from a Thai women that Thai men are " no good / all the same ". I even heard this from my former Thai lawyer who was raised and educated in S. F. And is loaded told me you would be lucky to fine a good Thai man, she gave me a low number like 20%
That being said whether they are professionals or P4P, I think that many have been sweet talked and eventually burn by a Thai. In your case T. H. These women most likely had their cherry taken by a sweet talking Thai bastard (80%) chance and most likely moved on like a wild dog hanging around a Soi? Taking a cherry and having someone take your cherry and then break your heart is very different. Personally, I think from your post you are much too direct for a Thai, usually if they get to know you better maybe a office outing as a group for dinner / drinks and everyone loosen up they get to know you better they might be more receptive to your questions. With a Thai women I usually let them talk and I pretend that I'm interested in the same thing. Ask for suggestion as to where to go etc. And the more she talks the more you will learn as to whether she has a boyfriend. Try to read between the lines? Then when its time instead of being direct just respond that she must have lots of boyfriends that take her to these places? She will mostly likely smile and say " Sweet taker " (bpaak waan ).
See, in my book even if they have been burn and their cherry taken they still like to be flirted with and you being so direct of asking them, why they don't have a boyfriend is like saying there is something wrong with them? As for the first girl that work at a car show. Have you ever been to one and if so what are you looking at the car or girl? I sure some Thai guy who could afford one saw her, flirted with her and took her cherry and took off to the next car show?
You talk to Thais as if you are talking with American girls you need to in my opinion to adjust your game like a Thai. You already heard the line?
LBM
Why the need to ask questions? You just going to hear lies in any case. I enjoy being spontaneous, just enjoy the short time together without any seriuosness then go your seperate ways. The girl is going to react badly because she obviuosly still has feelings for the shit who has made her unhappy in the first place.
[QUOTE=Noddy;1245755]Why the need to ask questions? You just going to hear lies in any case. I enjoy being spontaneous, just enjoy the short time together without any seriuosness then go your seperate ways. The girl is going to react badly because she obviuosly still has feelings for the shit who has made her unhappy in the first place.[/QUOTE]He tried spontaneous and where did it get him? Spontaneous is getting that big black mama on Beach road, ride that bull baby!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1245747]I think and I might be wrong but in America it is said when a person talks too much about their ex they haven't completely gotten over them good or bad? My opinion also on dating sites, in this particular case, for Thai women they are sick and tired of being with their own kind and also a monetary motive? How many times have you heard from a Thai women that Thai men are " no good / all the same ". I even heard this from my former Thai lawyer who was raised and educated in S. F. And is loaded told me you would be lucky to fine a good Thai man, she gave me a low number like 20%
You talk to Thais as if you are talking with American girls you need to in my opinion to adjust your game like a Thai. You already heard the line?
LBM[/QUOTE]Yes, you're right. Just having chats about past relationships is pretty standard, but if it goes on too long then yes, his / her heart might be elsewhere. As far as saying Thai men are no good, they might as well say all men are no good LOL. I think the huge difference that is often overlooked is Thai men can just impregnate women and leave them without suffering any financial consequences.
It is amazing how often I'll meet a girl, and her dad will either be 1. Unknown 2. Left her while she was young 3. Or dead
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1245814]Yes, you're right. Just having chats about past relationships is pretty standard, but if it goes on too long then yes, his / her heart might be elsewhere. As far as saying Thai men are no good, they might as well say all men are no good LOL. I think the huge difference that is often overlooked is Thai men can just impregnate women and leave them without suffering any financial consequences.
It is amazing how often I'll meet a girl, and her dad will either be 1. Unknown 2. Left her while she was young 3. Or dead[/QUOTE]You're right! As we know men are all dogs in one way or another but difference is most Thai women especially the non-pros haven't been with you or other Farangs as much as bargirls. The biggest thing as you mention is that they leave as soon as they get their cherry or impregnate them that confirms your three points. The 3rd is a another can of worms most likely driving like a idiot on a motorbike. I have heard that a lot not sure if it is true or if it is what they wish?
From what I have seen personally if they haven't left they might as well because they are useless in my book. They do as they like, run around, spend their money on themselves get drunk. Expect the women to clean and serve them hand and foot while the kids go hungry and no money for school because they gamble it away or spend it on another women. Of course this is a generalization of Thai men but as a Thai women if she feels comfortable enough to talk about this subject and you just might hear what I hear ofter " Same ".
LBM
[QUOTE=GPa69]I will soon be in Japan on business and want to take an eight day trip to Thailand or Cambodia for some erotic entertainment.[/QUOTE]I recommend Thailand over Cambodia. The pay-to-play scene is more developed, as is the tourist infrastructure. There are numerous flights from Tokyo to Bangkok.
If you like big city things like fancy shopping, fine dining, palaces, monuments and what-not then consider spending time in Bangkok. If not, head straight for Pattaya, which is less than two hours away by taxi or bus.
[QUOTE=GPa69]For the bar scene I would really like to find a place where I can just spend time and have fun with a girl in exchange for buying her drinks without being pressured to engage her services unless / until I decide I want to. I also enjoy karaoke, but I am not a fan of loud disco bars. For intimacy I prefer simple straight sex (boring?) although the various types of massage with happy endings sound interesting. As I am by no means an extrovert I think younger, less experienced girls would be a more satisfying experience for me.[/QUOTE]You sound like a guy who would enjoy the beer bars in Pattaya. They are all over town and in virtually every one you can take your time getting to know the girls by playing pool, fooling around with a game, or just having a drink. If you click you can pay a barfine of about 600 baht and then take the girl to your hotel for either a short time session or a long time (overnight) arrangement. The girl's fee varies depending on a variety of factors, but 1000 to 2000 baht is a fair range.
If you don't like loud disco bars you'll want to avoid the big discos in Pattaya like Lucifer, Insomnia and Marine. But you should check out the go go bars. Yes, they play music. But it's not insanely loud and there are young hot girls dancing on stage to distract you. If you fancy younger, hotter girls, they are often found in the go gos. And if you prefer the short time scene, you'll get along with the go go girls just fine. There are numerous go go bars all over town. But the two main areas are Walking Street and Soi LK Metro.
Finally there is Soi 6. Not for everyone. But some guys like the point-and-shoot aspect. And at 1000 for a short time session on premises, it certainly represents value.
Where to stay? That depends on your budget. You can find a serviceable room in a guest house off the beaten track for less than 1000 baht per night. If you want full-on luxury, there are grand places at 3000 per night and up. The sweet spot seems to be in the 1500 baht range. (Depending on what time of year you visit. December and January are the high season.) Read the traffic in the lodging areas of this forum and you'll soon learn what hotels are well-regarded.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1246437]I recommend Thailand over Cambodia. The pay-to-play scene is more developed, as is the tourist infrastructure. There are numerous flights from Tokyo to Bangkok.
Bunky[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great advise Bunky.
From reading other threads I was beginning to get the impression that LOS would be the wisest choice for my first trip and I appreciate the confirmation.
I was thinking gogo's would be my best shot, but it sounds like I should check out the beer bars as well.
(Is LT not available in gogo bars?)
I will probably be there in March, so hopefully the hotel prices will be reasonable.
I have been researching the forum as suggested by Duniawala and am beginning to feel much more prepared and less nervous about this trip.
But I think there will still be some points I would like to get advise / opions on when I finish.
I hope nobody minds a few questions that might seem obvious to more experienced players.
Thanks again for taking the time to provide a little guidance for a newbie.
Hopefully I will be able to pay that forward someday.
GPa
[QUOTE=GPa69; 1246776]Thanks for the great advise Bunky.
From reading other threads I was beginning to get the impression that LOS would be the wisest choice for my first trip and I appreciate the confirmation.
I was thinking gogo's would be my best shot, but it sounds like I should check out the beer bars as well.
(Is LT not available in gogo bars?)
I will probably be there in March, so hopefully the hotel prices will be reasonable.
I have been researching the forum as suggested by Duniawala and am beginning to feel much more prepared and less nervous about this trip.
But I think there will still be some points I would like to get advise / opions on when I finish.
I hope nobody minds a few questions that might seem obvious to more experienced players.
Thanks again for taking the time to provide a little guidance for a newbie.
Hopefully I will be able to pay that forward someday.
GPa[/QUOTE]Hey Gpa69.
Well done, reading the forum. LT and ST is independent of locations. You got to negotiate with the girls for that, not the venue.
There are hotels of all price range. So don't worry about the hotel rates. Check out Asiatravel. Com, agoda. Com, asia rooms etc. These will give you the best rates possible.
Also as a newbie, I suggest you stay at Livingstone Lodge where the owner Giotto can give you good guidance to the scene in LOS. He has his own thread in this forum.
Enjoy your visit.
Duni
[QUOTE=GPa69]I was thinking go-gos would be my best shot, but it sounds like I should check out the beer bars as well.
(Is LT not available in gogos?[/QUOTE]That depends on the girl. Some go-go girls prefer short time sessions. Some are happy to go long time. Your previous post sounded like you weren't interested in the long time, rent-a-girlfriend type of deal. And you noted looks were important. As a rule, the go-go girls are better looking. (Although there are lots of exceptions.) So if you're looking to go short time with a hottie, that's why I said you'd get along with the go-go girls. Finally, you should start be deciding how much time you want to spend in Pattaya vice Bangkok. If your trip in March is going to be shorter than two weeks, my advice would be to spend all of it in Patttaya. If you're going to be in Thailand longer, spend some time in Bangkok at the end of your trip. That way, you'll be closer to the airport when it's time to fly home.
If you have follow up questions, be sure to post them in the correct forums. You'll get a better response that way.
Bunky
[QUOTE=GPa69; 1246776]Thanks again for taking the time to provide a little guidance for a newbie.
Hopefully I will be able to pay that forward someday.
GPa[/QUOTE]You are getting some great advice. I would add to it that you should spend an hour or so reading in the Reports of Distinction thread if you haven't done so yet. That should really help you make a plan. I am experienced in Thailand but there are so many choices that I often make a list. I don't always follow it to the letter but it keeps me from being overwhelmed by so many choices.
C4T
[QUOTE=Harold444;1247077]Problem with pretty girls is they don't want long time. Just doesn't make sense financially so I see why they don't want to.[/QUOTE]I always got my LT girls from Bangkok agogos and I found them very pretty.
I think these are all great myths:
* pretty girls don't do LT.
* pretty girls have many ST each night.
Not all girls will even get one "take out" each night, so if they go out, it could be as well LT rather than ST. The truth is that they make more money on LD and tips in the bar than by going out. And that doesn't have anything to do with being pretty or not.
So how to convince them to go out with you (preferably on an LT date)? There are two ways:
* pay them enough to make it worth their while: this is usually called "overpaying" by many on the forum.
* make it "sanuk" for them to go out with you: in other words chat them up, buy them a LD, tip the waitress, give them all your attention, maybe a little touching here and there. After a while they will themselves suggest to go out with you. That is the moment you mention you are interested in LT only and then it is just a matter of fixing a reasonable price. There are many tricks you can use, such as speaking a little thai (a few phrases or words are enough, it shows you are interested in their culture). I wear a buddha medallion and that always arouses their interest. Wai the little spirit house each bar has, you can be sure someone will have seen you doing it, will become curious why a "farang" did that and will come and ask you. If the girls come to you, rather than you calling them over, you are already half-way.
Wolvenvacht.
PS: "sanuk" is a difficult to translate concept from Thai culture. Roughly, it means "fun" as in "I really like doing what I am doing", so it also carries overtones of "enjoyable; entertaining; amusing; pleasant".
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1245814]It is amazing how often I'll meet a girl, and her dad will either be 1. Unknown 2. Left her while she was young 3. Or dead[/QUOTE]And that is your cue to make sure you don't pursue a relationship. Pick a gal who comes from a stable family, good role models do wonders.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1247149]I think these are all great myths:
* pretty girls don't do LT.
* pretty girls have many ST each night.[/QUOTE]I agree, but:
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1247149]they make more money on LD and tips in the bar than by going out.[/QUOTE]I think that's another myth. Most girls just do not get called for drinks by clients. They dance, get off, come dance again, etc, all night.
I'm not sure how much a girl makes per drink but even if it's 50% she would need to get a lot of drinks before she makes as much as one ST.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1247513]I think that's another myth. Most girls just do not get called for drinks by clients. They dance, get off, come dance again, etc, all night.
I'm not sure how much a girl makes per drink but even if it's 50% she would need to get a lot of drinks before she makes as much as one ST.[/QUOTE]I have no statistics to prove my point, but it was information one of the girls at Suzie Wong gave me. But I did get her to go LT with me.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1247513]I agree, but:
I think that's another myth. Most girls just do not get called for drinks by clients. They dance, get off, come dance again, etc, all night.
I'm not sure how much a girl makes per drink but even if it's 50% she would need to get a lot of drinks before she makes as much as one ST.[/QUOTE]That is my thought too and as they barely take 30% (as the bar wants its extra stake too plus the cheaper cost of the LD) they need to put together a lot of LD's to have a real income benefit.
Most likely the value of LD's for the girls is showing to the bar their capacity to draw customers who at their turn drink too, so girls appear as an asset and cash generating tools.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1247744]That is my thought too and as they barely take 30% (as the bar wants its extra stake too plus the cheaper cost of the LD) they need to put together a lot of LD's to have a real income benefit.
Most likely the value of LD's for the girls is showing to the bar their capacity to draw customers who at their turn drink too, so girls appear as an asset and cash generating tools.[/QUOTE]From my understanding and experience the top go-gos the girls get a based salary, like 8, 000 baht for example to dance topless, and more if they do a show. It all add ups in the end, that is why so many run and chase after the ping pong balls. Lets just say on average a girl ends up with 10 a night at 20 baht a pop that 200 baht a night x 26 nights = 5200 baht. Let throw in a few drinks like 4 a night at 110 baht, she gets half 55 baht = 220 baht x 26 = 5700 baht. Put together the ping pongs and drinks that is 10, 900 baht which easily pays the rent?
On another subject, how a Thai girl can save money without even trying. I gave this equation to a go-go girl a year ago, recently on a ST, along with some other benefits she told me she saved in one year just taking the drinks and balls and placed the above in a bank account for her and her son and now has 100, 000 baht.
LBM
Just noticed more than a few non- p4p girls wearing gramma style underwear. Is this a new trend in Thailand? I find this somewhat disturbing, not a big deal but it somewhat kills the mood, temporarily anyways. I've usually been accustomed to girls wearing sexy underwear, not something you could use to jump out of a C-130.
""The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, B. E. 2539 (1996) (the 'Prostitution Law') , is the central legal framework prohibiting prostitution. The law defines prostitution as any act done to gratify the sexual desire of another in exchange for money or any other benefit, but only if it is done 'in a promiscuous manner'. The Prostitution Law does not define what exactly a 'promiscuous manner' constitutes, and the act of prostitution by itself is not outlawed anymore, while solicitation is. The crime of solicitation is vaguely defined."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand[/url]
[quote=tony hoeprano;1248482]just noticed more than a few non- p4p girls wearing gramma style underwear. is this a new trend in thailand? i find this somewhat disturbing, not a big deal but it somewhat kills the mood, temporarily anyways. i've usually been accustomed to girls wearing sexy underwear, not something you could use to jump out of a c-130.[/quote]it is winter-time. they have to keep their pussies warm and cosy!
and btw, how do you know what kind of underwear your grandmother was wearing? did you peek? ooooh, kinky!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1248512]""The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, B. E. 2539 (1996) (the 'Prostitution Law') , is the central legal framework prohibiting prostitution. The law defines prostitution as any act done to gratify the sexual desire of another in exchange for money or any other benefit, but only if it is done 'in a promiscuous manner'. The Prostitution Law does not define what exactly a 'promiscuous manner' constitutes, and the act of prostitution by itself is not outlawed anymore, while solicitation is. The crime of solicitation is vaguely defined."[/QUOTE]Yes it is illegal, but there are loopholes for "places of entertainment and the age old asian practice of "getting your pipes cleaned".
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1248482]Just noticed more than a few non- p4p girls wearing gramma style underwear. Is this a new trend in Thailand? I find this somewhat disturbing, not a big deal but it somewhat kills the mood, temporarily anyways. I've usually been accustomed to girls wearing sexy underwear, not something you could use to jump out of a C-130.[/QUOTE]I have encountered p4p girls wearing them too. But it does not matter to me. As far as I'm concerned all of that shit is coming off!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1247790]From my understanding and experience the top go-gos the girls get a based salary, like 8, 000 baht for example to dance topless, and more if they do a show. It all add ups in the end, that is why so many run and chase after the ping pong balls. Lets just say on average a girl ends up with 10 a night at 20 baht a pop that 200 baht a night x 26 nights = 5200 baht. Let throw in a few drinks like 4 a night at 110 baht, she gets half 55 baht = 220 baht x 26 = 5700 baht. Put together the ping pongs and drinks that is 10, 900 baht which easily pays the rent?
On another subject, how a Thai girl can save money without even trying. I gave this equation to a go-go girl a year ago, recently on a ST, along with some other benefits she told me she saved in one year just taking the drinks and balls and placed the above in a bank account for her and her son and now has 100, 000 baht.
LBM[/QUOTE]Tahnks for the insider. Next life I will born as go-go gir then! .
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1248652](snip) Next life I will born as go-go girl then! .[/QUOTE]But only if you amass enough good karma! Otherwise you will join our ranks again.
[quote=bionicman;1248652]tahnks for the insider. next life i will born as go-go gir then! .[/quote]could be worse. maybe you will be born a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s bj girl!
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1248496]You are a god. You get a lot of free sex?
Tell us how you get to see all these good girl pantees![/QUOTE]LOL, they were nothing to write home about. I just try to show I am simple man, good heart, not stink, and have better personality than Newt Gingrich.
American woman staying at Frazier Suites murdered, Indian man is prime suspect.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/american-woman-wendy-albano-murdered-thailand/story?id=15681743[/url]
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1248797]American woman staying at Frazier Suites murdered, Indian man is prime suspect.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/american-woman-wendy-albano-murdered-thailand/story?id=15681743[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah, but the two were business partners and her death probably resulted from a quarrel over that. So Indian really has nothing to do with it.
[quote=aussiedoug;1248607]yes it is illegal, but there are loopholes for "places of entertainment and the age old asian practice of "getting your pipes cleaned".[/quote]yet the article stated prostitution by itself is not outlawed anymore. btw i was wondering if anyone has ever been busted for prostitution in thailand, aside from the **** traps and the le raids on sws.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1248813]Yeah, but the two were business partners and her death probably resulted from a quarrel over that. So Indian really has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]Yes,it could have very well been a disagreement over business matters. It also could have been a crime of passion, she might have rejected his romantic advances.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1248813]Yeah, but the two were business partners and her death probably resulted from a quarrel over that. So Indian really has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]You could be right but TIT so we may never know. If you're going to kill someone, especially a foreigner and get away with it this is the place to do it.
[quote=pinkpearl;1248847]yet the article stated prostitution by itself is not outlawed anymore. btw i was wondering if anyone has ever been busted for prostitution in thailand, aside from the **** traps and the le raids on sws.[/quote]here you have the full text of the law:
[url]http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/webtext/46403/65063/e96tha01.htm[/url]
prostitution is illegal under certain conditions, such as public soliciting, creating a nuisance, working out of a brothel, .
but the penalty for "simple" prostitution is very low: max. 1000 baht.
higher penalties (including jail-time) for running a brothel, or even just for being a "mamasan".
the use of prostitutes is not illegal though, as long as they are over 18 years old.
so, a pattaya fl beach road beauty, that is approached by you, is not creating a nuisance and does not advertise is ok (legally speaking). mind you, if you take her to your hotel, she should not follow you! have her walk in front of you otherwise she might fall foul of section 5 ("follows or importunes a person in a street (snip) in an open and shameless manner"). it is ok is she walks behind you in a demure way, but why take any risks?
but a pattaya soi 6 lady, that catches your arm "in an open and shameless manner" is at least liable for a fine of 1000 baht and jail-time for up to 1 month (section 6) and if she offers the use of their st rooms or invites you inside their establishment ("by any means makes known to the public in a manner apparently indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of himself, herself or another person") , it could be an offense under section 7 punishable by imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand to forty thousand baht or to both.
yep, being a sw is not easy: you better have a few years of law school before you even start that line of work.
The "creating a public nuisance" part makes some sense. Now if they would just apply it to the tailor shops and tuktuk scammers.
I paid a TG 4000 baht for two hours. Was this too much? She was a young pretty spinner who spent the whole time giving BB services, uses condoms with other customers, tested for STDs monthly, excellent skills & attitude, speaks virtually no English. I was very satisfied with this encounter & the price, but I'm sure someone will say they live in Thailand and can get this easily for 1000 Baht. BTW her looks IMO are in another class than the vast majority in the photo thread whom I would not take for free.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1250997]I paid a TG 4000 baht for two hours. Was this too much? She was a young pretty spinner who spent the whole time giving BB services, uses condoms with other customers, tested for STDs monthly, excellent skills & attitude, speaks virtually no English. I was very satisfied with this encounter & the price, but I'm sure someone will say they live in Thailand and can get this easily for 1000 Baht. BTW her looks IMO are in another class than the vast majority in the photo thread whom I would not take for free.[/QUOTE]Where? In Pattaya? Most of the girls in Thailand will go BB for no extra cost anyway. I think you paid too much. But, anyone really can do and pay what they want. I have found girls just like you describe that will go for 1k in Pattaya. Guys that live there they tell me I pay too much as they claim they get it for 500. Sounds like you had a good time soo.....
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1250997]I paid a TG 4000 baht for two hours. Was this too much? She was a young pretty spinner who spent the whole time giving BB services, uses condoms with other customers[/QUOTE]Curious as to how you know she uses condoms with other customers, (you do know they tell you what they think you want to hear) and why she did not do it with you. Was it because of the 4000B?
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1251227]Where? In Pattaya? Most of the girls in Thailand will go BB for no extra cost anyway. I think you paid too much. But, anyone really can do and pay what they want. I have found girls just like you describe that will go for 1k in Pattaya. Guys that live there they tell me I pay too much as they claim they get it for 500. Sounds like you had a good time soo.[/QUOTE]It was in BKK, but as this is the general thread feel free to discuss prices anywhere in Thailand & compare them with other countries. LOL. Five hundred or even 1000 sounds like a real steal. I'd expect to get an ugly on Beach Road in Pattaya for 500 baht, but then I'm not a 20 year old Brad Pitt & have no game, nor would I want to go to that much work, or even travel more than 100 metres from my hotel. That would be too inconvenient. I think the vast majority of TGs I've been with would not be able to last 2 hours as my girl did, let alone seem to enjoy it with such skill. But I'm sure my generosity provides quite a bit of incentive, as that gets me the jai dee rep with her & all her "sisters" (gossip buddies). BTW I seldom tip or am asked for taxi fare, & never buy lady drinks or pay bar fines. Re those willing for BB sex, IME one did not ask for a tip to do it, while others asked for it or asked for 2000 instead of one thousand. Another said since I was already giving her 2000 per hour, I deserved it. Quite a number refused to do it, no matter how much I begged and cried.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1251245]Curious as to how you know she uses condoms with other customers, (you do know they tell you what they think you want to hear) and why she did not do it with you. Was it because of the 4000B?[/QUOTE]Of course one can never know these things about a GF or any other sex partner unless they have an "eye" on her 24/7, so what I stated was my best guess based on the following. At first she refused to do it without a cover after being requested a couple times. Later she finally relented when I promised not to cum inside. Furthermore, in a future session, she expressed concerns about BB sex, which prompted me to show her STD tests with all negative results.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1251245]Curious as to how you know she uses condoms with other customers, (you do know they tell you what they think you want to hear) and why she did not do it with you. Was it because of the 4000B?[/QUOTE]I don't know his answer. Mine is because Thai girls never lie!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1251301]Of course one can never know these things about a GF or any other sex partner unless they have an "eye" on her 24/7, so what I stated was my best guess based on the following. At first she refused to do it without a cover after being requested a couple times. Later she finally relented when I promised not to cum inside. Furthermore, in a future session, she expressed concerns about BB sex, which prompted me to show her STD tests with all negative results.[/QUOTE]Let me help you out, whenever a WG tells you; you are the only one she has done this / it with, she is a lying. If she's doing it with you, she's done it before and will do it again. Despite their innocence these chicks are superb actresses.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1251395]Let me help you out, whenever a WG tells you; you are the only one she has done this / it with, she is a lying. If she's doing it with you, she's done it before and will do it again. Despite their innocence these chicks are superb actresses.[/QUOTE]First off, she didn't tell me that.
Secondly, that would obviously not be true in her case, since she has a kid, unless it was a virgin birth or she's lying about that, too.
Third, I am quite aware of where you are coming from, I'm not a newbie to this site, having been reading & posting here since around 2004.
Fourth, it should be evident from what I posted to you before about her that using condoms is her default position, even when customers repeatedly request BB.
Fifth, I am not discounting the possibility of her doing it BB with other clients should the incentive have ever been sufficient enough for her.
Sixth, nevertheless the point here is that this girl's safety practices probably make her statisticly much safer for me to BB her than the average SW P4P girl I see out there.
So, seventh, getting back to my original post, this is one of a number of points that made her a girl of value and quality, things that most guys are seldom getting with their 500 or 1000 Baht ST or 5 minute wham bam thank you mams. IMO.
Congrats to guys who are getting those cheap charlie prices, but such is either unavailable to me, not up to my standards, or otherwise of no interest to me. So I don't worry about it, or find any benefit in trying to nit pick with TGs about a measly few hundred baht, which will come back to bite me in the ass later anyway.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1251482]Congrats to guys who are getting those cheap charlie prices, but such is either unavailable to me, not up to my standards, or otherwise of no interest to me. So I don't worry about it, or find any benefit in trying to nit pick with TGs about a measly few hundred baht, which will come back to bite me in the ass later anyway.[/QUOTE]Would be a disaster if we were all going after the same type of girls but thankfully there are enough girls over here to satisfy most of us.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1251482]I am quite aware of where you are coming from[/QUOTE]Excellent, then we'll move on even though your narrative has evolved since your original post.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1251314]Gentlemen this post is all sarcasm!
He making fun of the guys who get 1000 baht hot girls short time![/QUOTE]Firstly, I would say, not at all. Rather my posts are full of facts based on my experiences in LOS, last year and in 2012 and dating back every year for 5 years, with an average of 4-5 months in Siam per year. That is, aside from comments which were not meant to literally imply that I never sleep 365 days a year while doing private PI work on P4P TGs to verify they always use condoms when not with me.
Secondly, as regards guys who get "1000 baht hot girls short time", I applaud them once again. But I think they either need glasses, as most in the photo thread, or they are like the lotto winners. IOW they are quite rare. BTW I am speaking of typical encounters in places like Bangkok and Pattaya, not jungle humping in a nest of black flies near a small village in Bumfuck, Isarn, for 150 Baht, nor what was available at Thermae when Bangkok was 10 feet underwater & the ladies were dressed in snorkles and scuba diving gear, nor some naive thing that just arrived from the town of WherAmIIdonKno. Like I said, there are Justin Bieber types out there getting it for 1000B or even free. Maybe there are even a few OTH types out there. 60 YO guys living with a early 20's hottie, paying only her tuition & providing a place to stay, maybe food & some travelling together, too, & that's about it.
Thirdly, I would also note that my original post on this subject did not speak of a mere ST session, but one based on an hourly rate of constant sex. Most ST sessions, I'd say the vast majority, involve less than 30 minutes of boom boom, so how can you even compare the two? That's like comparing steak and leftover cold hotdog. Sure, the ST guy may get off, but for anyone to say you know lots of guys getting what I did for only 1000 baht instead of 4000 baht, based on that, is ridiculous. And, sorry, but hearing drunken tales about marathons in the pussy from boasting strangers in the dens of iniquity does not qualify as research on this subject. Moreover, something else I suggest for your consideration, if some guys get a ST 30 minute boomsy for 1000 B, that is the same rate as paying 4K for 2 hours of tapping that SYT's shrimp. Looking at it from that perspective, in paying 4K I paid the correct amount.
Fourthly, I would add that I remain extremely skeptical that wrinkly fat balding wankers living in the Kingdom of P4P are often boinking hot young TGs such as I described for 1000B ST. Like I said, if you have, you should thank your lucky stars & see if that works for you at gambling too. Or maybe the few posts in that vein are usually fabricators with other motives, like those of cheap charlies, for example.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1251245]why she did not do it with you. Was it because of the 4000B?[/QUOTE]Re your second question here, why did she not use a condom with me, (while claiming in the next session to cover up with others)? Yes, it could be the hourly rate incentive, which she may have heard from other girls that I would give, even though about a year earlier I had given her only 1000 B / hr, if I recall, and did not request BBFS at that time. I can't remember, but I may have also mentioned an offer of a tip when asking for this service the first time I saw her this year.
Secondly, another girl set me up with her, and from what I was told the agreement was that it would be the same with her, which also involved BB sex at the same rate. Consequently it is convievable she may have thought that if she didn't do what the other SYT did, then I wouldn't have sex with her or give her 2000 / hr, if anything.
Thirdly, knowing her from a previous trip to LOS, and seeing her a number of times then, around 5 sessions I guess, sometimes multi hours, she may have been inspired to offer this special service due to the possibility of catching a regular client as an ATM source, which from my observations seems to be in demand by virtually all the girls. Since a safe reliable jai dee generous customer that one can see often is better than going with many individuals who pose various potential dangers to a sex worker, from not being paid & rudely treated to being subjected to strange requests (e. G. Eating his shit, fucking with a dog) and different types of violence.
Fourth, if she was aware of it, it is possible my rep for BB sex could have made her hesitant to go rubberless. However this could be in conflict with my second point here. Also, it seems possible this was not an issue till the next session when she mentioned being scared, as she may have talked to some people inbetween. And, of course, my previous encounters with her never had any hint of such intimate sex.
Finally, BTW, if I wanted to increase my safety level here, I could see this girl everyday, or supply her with enough income that her contact with other guys might be limited or cease, and or I could get her tested for STDs at the hospital. Being circumcised, fixed & not cuming inside her would already provide degrees of protection for the parties involved in BB sex, making it a safer BB sex, or SBBFS.
[quote=asianpussylover; 1249053]i found this online so i am going to paste a piece here:
"when i returned to the u s i was the only one on the plane they took aside and did a special customs search.
they went through every pocket my camera and looked at every photo. which had a few of older ladies that i hooked up with. when they did not find anything after searching for over an hour they let me go.
two weeks later two homeland security agents showed up at my front door and said they wanted to check out my computer because when i went through customs they said it was reported that i had photos of ladies of questionable age on my camera. i told them no, the main reason i did not want them to look in my pc was i have a lot of business information on it which i felt was none of the governments business. they said if they had to come back with a warrant they would not be so nice.
i called a friend of mine while they were here for advice he told me to tell them no and go get a warrant and ask them if they had any more questions to go through him. they left and i have never heard from them again."
any of this happened to any of you guys? how strong is the built in windows disk encryption program? please provide any of your experiences. the last time i got off a plane the immigration official let on to the fact that i was on some kind of list. but he did not provide anymore details. as he was talking i took a quick glance down on his desk and sure enough there was some list and my name was on it. fortunately i did not have a laptop on me at the time, but i usually always travel with one.[/quote][quote=mr enternational;1251204]another bullshit story. how would this person know they were the only one on the plane to get searched? i've never heard of us customs going to someone's house. the will send a letter about something but won't show up in person. if they did show up in person you would think they would have sense enough to bring a warrant! i'm going to put all this nonsense to rest one way or the other. i'm in the dominican republic today, but tomorrow i will return to the usa. and i will make it a priority to ask a customs agent about all this picture and going through computers business.[/quote]well i asked just like i said i would. i laid out the story to him just as i have read it on the board so many times. he said that of course everything is subject to search, but for them to go through someone's computer or camera there would have already had to be a predetermined reason like somebody ratted them out as a **** from the other end (that is how they catch most drug mules by the way). he said it would be really rare and he has never seen it done. i told him the part about the agents going to the guys house. he said they didn't go to people's houses. that would have been the fbi if it were true. i also asked him about anybody being on a list where they are always searched. he said it did not exist. he laughed and asked where i got all the crazy ideas from. i told him from reading the internet. he told me that i needed to stop blogging so much. i told him that after passing through immigration and customs hundreds of times my bag has been searched for drugs once and i have been directed to agriculture twice, but never any of the off the wall stuff that i read on this board.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1251552](snip) or supply her with enough income that her contact with other guys might be limited or cease, (snip)[/QUOTE]Yeah sure, and the moon is made of green cheese.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1251623]Yeah sure, and the moon is made of green cheese.[/QUOTE]Ever the skeptical cynic, eh? Does that make the bottle half full or half empty? BTW thanks for the substantial reply re prostitution law.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1251536]Firstly, I would say, not at all. Rather my posts are full of facts based on my experiences in LOS, last year and in 2012 and dating back every year for 5 years, with an average of 4-5 months in Siam per year. That is, aside from comments which were not meant to literally imply that I never sleep 365 days a year while doing private PI work on P4P TGs to verify they always use condoms when not with me.
Secondly, as regards guys who get "1000 baht hot girls short time", I applaud them once again. But I think they either need glasses, as most in the photo thread, or they are like the lotto winners. IOW they are quite rare. BTW I am speaking of typical encounters in places like Bangkok and Pattaya, not jungle humping in a nest of black flies near a small village in Bumfuck, Isarn, for 150 Baht, nor what was available at Thermae when Bangkok was 10 feet underwater & the ladies were dressed in snorkles and scuba diving gear, nor some naive thing that just arrived from the town of WherAmIIdonKno. Like I said, there are Justin Bieber types out there getting it for 1000B or even free. Maybe there are even a few OTH types out there. 60 YO guys living with a early 20's hottie, paying only her tuition & providing a place to stay, maybe food & some travelling together, too, & that's about it.
Thirdly, I would also note that my original post on this subject did not speak of a mere ST session, but one based on an hourly rate of constant sex. Most ST sessions, I'd say the vast majority, involve less than 30 minutes of boom boom, so how can you even compare the two? That's like comparing steak and leftover cold hotdog. Sure, the ST guy may get off, but for anyone to say you know lots of guys getting what I did for only 1000 baht instead of 4000 baht, based on that, is ridiculous. And, sorry, but hearing drunken tales about marathons in the pussy from boasting strangers in the dens of iniquity does not qualify as research on this subject. Moreover, something else I suggest for your consideration, if some guys get a ST 30 minute boomsy for 1000 B, that is the same rate as paying 4K for 2 hours of tapping that SYT's shrimp. Looking at it from that perspective, in paying 4K I paid the correct amount.
Fourthly, I would add that I remain extremely skeptical that wrinkly fat balding wankers living in the Kingdom of P4P are often boinking hot young TGs such as I described for 1000B ST. Like I said, if you have, you should thank your lucky stars & see if that works for you at gambling too. Or maybe the few posts in that vein are usually fabricators with other motives, like those of cheap charlies, for example.[/QUOTE]OMG. Are you an Attorney?
[QUOTE=Harold444;1251239]I wouldn't want to have sex with the girls in the photo section if they paid me 2000 short time. If I saw those pictures before going to Thailand I may have never gone in the first place.[/QUOTE]Likewise. If I had known how fucking hot they were, I'd not have been delayed coming here by 2 years due to the photos there. Sometimes I wonder if there is a conspiracy. Add to that all the posts about it being too expensive in Thailand now and the market is ruined and the girls are all spoiled, you have to wonder if that is all part of the same goal to keep guys away from LOS in order to make it better for those who are posting such drivel.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1251854]Likewise. If I had known how fucking hot they were, I'd not have been delayed coming here by 2 years due to the photos there. Sometimes I wonder if there is a conspiracy. Add to that all the posts about it being too expensive in Thailand now and the market is ruined and the girls are all spoiled, you have to wonder if that is all part of the same goal to keep guys away from LOS in order to make it better for those who are posting such drivel.[/QUOTE]I hear you. When I was trying to decide between Thailand and Cambodia for my first mongering trip I had about decided on Cambodia because of all the negative posts here. (Or at least staying in Bangkok) I'm glad I continued reading to find out what a wonderful place Pattaya appears to be. Now I am planning most of my vacation in Pat.
I just met up with an old friend from back in the days on Facebook, had some lunch with him, and was telling him of some of my exploits in Thailand and he is really itching to tag along next time I visit. He's single with no kids nor a whole lot of responsibilities tying him down. The only concern I have for him, is he's half Mexican, somewhat dark and would suffer from racial discrimination from the Thai babes. Heck, when we were young his nickname was either "the brown one" or "Turd"
Will the girls ignore him because they think he's Indian or Arab? He has a goatee and I told him to shave it off before he comes to LOS.
[quote=pinkpearl; 1251854]likewise. if i had known how fucking hot they were, i'd not have been delayed coming here by 2 years due to the photos there. such drivel / quote]the days of 1000bt are over or becoming rare, except when demand is low. floods will do it. reasonable lookers in the soapy fishbowls get 700-1000 per 1. 25 hour session. and 'worked'. bar owners abuse and confuse this forum, and expertly milk the market for all its worth. my expectation is now 1500bt either st or lt and bf 300-600 and no guarantees. this makes a fishbowl attractive, and more attractive over high season. sure you can pick older beer bar 2nds for less, but sparkling pretty. no. there is a 'plus' premium on walking street, so hunting away from the strip will get you a better deal.
retirees and pensioners can do better, but its getting hard to spot 'unclaimed' companions for fly in-out tourists.
i'd say the bar owners are ripping punters off, but the fact is, on turnover they are marginal, and yield on return low for non-thai's at least. the 1000bt soi 6 quickies keeps a lid on unreasonable expectations.
now because the western economy is in the shit as well as job security, its a pretty poor proposition to travel so far and punt $70 or more for a mediocre deal + all other factors (food, airfare, accom) so many are staying shorter, spending in bursts, unless other factors like a shitty winter in home country come in to play. what i don't like is the new y gen thai who wastes time, and drops false expectations. reminiscent of vietnamese haggle where loose-loose is a possible or likely outcome.
i'd say bar owners need to fix up quality issues. but i know they have a hard time as it is, tg's excel in giving them new headaches, and the number of punters not playing the game, and 'walking' puts tg in a bad mood.
los is still a good destination. just not as good as before, and value down by about as much as the dollar has depreciated.
going bonkers is a good enough reason. but my tip is not ask the price, but tell them, else walk. by the 4th day they 'get' it, or their friends will approach you. or the manager may take a hand and ask whats wrong, then take a 'haircut' where you get the mid-tier price. be careful about letting them buy you free whiskeys, cause this genuine? attempt dropped my barriers and i purchased bf several nights in a row. so there are smart managers out there, who try to 'turn' shoppers into paying customers vs those that tell tg their judgement is always good and to ask for the sky.
the good thing about repeat los visitors is that they remember you, and you do not have to start from square one.
if you can hook up with a members party, you can get up to speed fast, and get that 'newbie' sticker erased from your forehead & have a good time.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1252377]I just met up with an old friend from back in the days on Facebook, had some lunch with him, and was telling him of some of my exploits in Thailand and he is really itching to tag along next time I visit. He's single with no kids nor a whole lot of responsibilities tying him down. The only concern I have for him, is he's half Mexican, somewhat dark and would suffer from racial discrimination from the Thai babes. Heck, when we were young his nickname was either "the brown one" or "Turd"
Will the girls ignore him because they think he's Indian or Arab? He has a goatee and I told him to shave it off before he comes to LOS.[/QUOTE]That is intersesting because I don't believe I have ever seen a Mexican in Thailand. Like anyone though, if he is clean, dressed appropriately, smiles and shows some generousity, he should not have a problem.
[QUOTE=GPa69;1252176]I hear you. When I was trying to decide between Thailand and Cambodia for my first mongering trip I had about decided on Cambodia because of all the negative posts here. (Or at least staying in Bangkok) I'm glad I continued reading to find out what a wonderful place Pattaya appears to be. Now I am planning most of my vacation in Pat.[/QUOTE]Cambodia and Thailand are not even close for mongering. I hope everyone realizes that.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1252665]I find it hard to believe FREE anything especially in Bangkok![/QUOTE]Nothing is free for farangs in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1252377]I just met up with an old friend from back in the days on Facebook, had some lunch with him, and was telling him of some of my exploits in Thailand and he is really itching to tag along next time I visit. He's single with no kids nor a whole lot of responsibilities tying him down. The only concern I have for him, is he's half Mexican, somewhat dark and would suffer from racial discrimination from the Thai babes. Heck, when we were young his nickname was either "the brown one" or "Turd"
Will the girls ignore him because they think he's Indian or Arab? He has a goatee and I told him to shave it off before he comes to LOS.[/QUOTE]Mexican friend of mine from Texas came over to Pattaya to visit last February. No problems. He had a ball and didn't want to leave.
I will arrive on Saturday evening. How stupid will look if I walk around during the day with a video camera. Or should I just use a digital camera. I do not want to look more stupid that a normal tourist looks. Reports to follow.
Yeah, unfortunately for our Indian and Chocolate brethren, some of the Thai girls on dating sites will specifically state no Indians / Arab and Africans on their ad. I even see some that say no Asians / Thais which lends me to believe they might have ulterior motives rather than meeting their soulmate
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1252618]That is intersesting because I don't believe I have ever seen a Mexican in Thailand. Like anyone though, if he is clean, dressed appropriately, smiles and shows some generousity, he should not have a problem.[/QUOTE]Luvpuss,
Where you from would you really recognize a Mexican if he wasn't wearing a Sombero or Poncho LOL?
LBM
[QUOTE=Horndog 3;1253117]How stupid will look if I walk around during the day with a video camera.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about walking around with a camcorder, HD 3. They're are millions of tourists a year wandering around with cams and vidcams of every possible description. Literally millions. The Thais are used to it and who cares what the other tourists think?
There is oodles and gazoodles of interesting stuff to tape. Make sure you get to the Erawan Shrine between 7 and 8 am or pm for interesting vids and be sure to take a long tailed boat ride. Temple of the Emerald Buddha is, of course, not to be missed.
I'd suggest being a tad discreet about taping in the pay-for-play areas. Some folks don't like to be caught on tape. If you don't get really obnoxious about it you'll be fine.
It might take a day or two to get used to things so don't get all freaked out if you are a little disoriented at first; it'll pass. You'll have a blast.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1252377]I just met up with an old friend from back in the days on Facebook, had some lunch with him, and was telling him of some of my exploits in Thailand and he is really itching to tag along next time I visit. He's single with no kids nor a whole lot of responsibilities tying him down. The only concern I have for him, is he's half Mexican, somewhat dark and would suffer from racial discrimination from the Thai babes. Heck, when we were young his nickname was either "the brown one" or "Turd"
Will the girls ignore him because they think he's Indian or Arab? He has a goatee and I told him to shave it off before he comes to LOS.[/QUOTE]I have just come back from a 4 week trip to heaven sorry I meant Thailand and from my personal experiance your mexican buddy should be fine. I was born and bred in the uk and have a pakistani background. Me and my buddies have spent the past month in Thailand and true some thai girls are racist but who gives a $%£. There was a dark skinned indian guy who was a cross between APU from the simpsons and the elephant man who had a different Russian supermodel with him every second night in my hotel so money talks at the end of the day. I spent a few days in phuket and a few days in Bangkok but most of our trip was spent in Pattaya. I went from soi 6/7/8 all the way to the top end of walking street and didn't encounter any problems must have had about 28 different chicks during my time here from ST 500 to a few super stunners at 2500LT (BUT no LADY BOYS HONEST) NO chick had a problem BUT it depends on the individual. True ARABS and INDIANS don't have a good rep here and it makes life a little tricker if you are a "non whitey" like me but who cares you just got to treat it as a game. When the chicks realised we werent indians or arabs they were cool. A few points to note are be nice and friendly to everyone you would be amazed wot a little smile can do. Be clean, tidy and smell good and you will be laughing all the way to the bedroom and beyond. One night my buddies and I picked up some girls from a bar and the boss wouldn't let the girls leave with us cause she thought we had 100 cousins back in the bedroom we all pulled out our different hotel key cards at the same time and the whole place was shocked and then erupted in laughter- then the boss just smiled and let the girls leave. *****. Another time one of the bars charged me 500 bht for a bar fine then my girl later told me that the boss charged me more cause he didn't like arabs WTF! I did notice that one of my darker mates got some funny looks especially when we went to some of the top bars in walking street but when most people heard our accents they were cool. Overall I had a great time here saw a lot of crazy shit met a lot of good people thais and americans\aussies\brits and I personally think your mexican buddy will be fine I really thought I had done my bit too improve racial harmony here in the land of smiles but then some iranian assholes messed it all up again I just know I am going to have to spend a long time at the thai airport next time I come here anyway hope you and your mexican buddy have fun I am sure you will and you know you will.
CP77
You can dupe your friends and family into thinking you went to Thailand for the tourism rather than the girls, after showing them all your lovely pictures of the temples, statues, river boats, etc etc.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1253506]You can dupe your friends and family into thinking you went to Thailand for the tourism rather than the girls, after showing them all your lovely pictures of the temples, statues, river boats, etc etc.[/QUOTE]Elephant rides, Croc farm, old city, etc. I agree.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1253455]I think there is a guy here who photgraphs girls frm behind. Kinda funny. Don't be him, be brave and get faces! 1[/QUOTE]I assume you refer to FonTok fine pictures. I think he publishes post of their back for "privacy" reasons. The sights are always great and give a great idea of what one can see in the streets of any given day
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1253585]I assume you refer to FonTok fine pictures. I think he publishes post of their back for "privacy" reasons. The sights are always great and give a great idea of what one can see in the streets of any given day[/QUOTE]Thanks, and that's right ("privacy").
Although, some Thai women look a lot better from the "rear." ;)
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1253620]Thanks, and that's right ("privacy").
Although, some Thai women look a lot better from the "rear.".[/QUOTE]Nice set of legs on this one. Wouldn't mind them wrapped around my waist while I jackhammer her Bush LOL.
What kind of lens do you use? (I'm assuming you're shooting with a DSLR?)
To those on very tight budget, can avoid airport fee by catching taxi upstairs, can get taxi to avoid the Tollway as it not much slower underneath (if not too busy) , exitted Rama 9 at Phet-Uthit, left into Phetburi (wrong direction) and took back Sois through Phrom Phong to avoid Asoke traffic jams. Not shortest route (to avoid traffic) but total cost 210 Baht. May be possible to do it for even less.
I already knew that TGs are not as much into lip and tongue kissing as Canadian SPs I've experienced. But on my present trip it has gotten worse as some who did it before aren't doing it anymore. Something to do with the extra germs going around as a result of the flooding? I've gotten sick a couple times, for 2 weeks in all, probably as a direct result of fluids exchanged in French kissing. Plenty of willingness for BB services, though, and BBBJ seems pretty much standard, something they have no problem doing & expect to do. At least with me. Though for the most part, with the exception of 2 ladies, I've stuck with about 10 others I've known from previous visits. Two months done & one to go.
first time in bangkok. got in at 3:00am thanks to the stroms in the midwest for the us. after checking in i went for a walk around soi 4 and 6. still a lot of girls out on the streets at that time. after a nice nap i woke up about 9:00 and went on the hunt for breakfast. i was walking down soi 8 and i did see some girls outside of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. walk down a little farther and had a nice breakfast. about 10:00 am on my way back i took the shortcut from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] to soi 6. as i passed [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] there were about 10 girls sitting outside. they all smiled and asked if i wanted ball massage and bj. i looked and all were averge to pretty good looking then 1 girl came to me and took my hand and wirspered into my ear that i would have a good time. so i thought to myself why not start the day off right. so inside i go. we walked pass the little bar and stright upstairs. i asked her and she said ploy. she was cute and had a nice smile. she gave me a towel to sit on and procided to lower my pants and wash me down. after a couple of minute all i seen was her nice eyes looking up at me and a suckshun that i have not felt in a long time. her eyes never left mine. sone i made a diposit and she did not stop until all came out. then she smiled and spit into a towel. she pulled my pants back up and i was on my way. pd 700 + 200 tip. she seemed very happy and asked for me to come back tomorrow. now off to mbk and then darlings for an afternoon massage.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1254535]I already knew that TGs are not as much into lip and tongue kissing as Canadian SPs I've experienced. But on my present trip it has gotten worse as some who did it before aren't doing it anymore. Something to do with the extra germs going around as a result of the flooding? I've gotten sick a couple times, for 2 weeks in all, probably as a direct result of fluids exchanged in French kissing. Plenty of willingness for BB services, though, and BBBJ seems pretty much standard, something they have no problem doing & expect to do. At least with me. Though for the most part, with the exception of 2 ladies, I've stuck with about 10 others I've known from previous visits. Two months done & one to go.[/QUOTE]I've never had problems getting tongue kissing with the Thai babes. Perhaps they find me very hansum (it helps being half Nihonjin LOL)
Either you've ran really bad meeting girls who don't like to kiss. But I would find that hard to believe. Are you even pursuing it? Or are you just cutting to the chase and going straight to rawdawg mode? I would at least ensure that you give your teeth a good brushing and use mouthwash before you go out. If you go out to eat, always have some breath mints or gum with you.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1254632]I've never had problems getting tongue kissing with the Thai babes. Perhaps they find me very hansum (it helps being half Nihonjin LOL)
Either you've ran really bad meeting girls who don't like to kiss. But I would find that hard to believe. Are you even pursuing it? Or are you just cutting to the chase and going straight to rawdawg mode? I would at least ensure that you give your teeth a good brushing and use mouthwash before you go out. If you go out to eat, always have some breath mints or gum with you.[/QUOTE]That's quite impressive that you've scored 100% in the FK department. One for one, eh? Of course it always helps to look like Brad Pitt or Justin Bieber. I should clarify, though, that I wasn't speaking of just a little bit or one second of tongue to tongue contact. Practicly all of them will give me that, which is nothing to me, or more like a tease, so really worse than nil. What I like is DFK for 30 minutes or more, sometimes even hours at a time, at times even getting quite sloppy and passionate, and especially when done simultaneously during BBFS. That may be the ultimate sex experience in my book, although other menu items can also get the juices flowing intensely. I've found that some girls reluctant to even light FK during foreplay will get totally into DFK during intercourse. I assume it's because they are turned on. But Thai kissing is not at all the same as the farang style and they are known to have something of a rep for not liking it, though of course many will do anything to unload the ATM machine. Half Nihonjin? Never heard of it.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1254642]Half Nihonjin? Never heard of it.[/QUOTE]Half Japanese.
Of course most of us already knew this, but from Thai Visa:
BANGKOK:. Being a sex worker these days isn't what it used to be, at least for those whose rights are backed up by the Empower Foundation. Much has improved. No more pimps or mamasans, and fewer punches thrown their way. Being "rescued", though, causes them all sorts of problems.
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/538603-thailands-sex-workers-dont-want-to-be-rescued/[/url]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1254535]I already knew that TGs are not as much into lip and tongue kissing as Canadian SPs I've experienced. But on my present trip it has gotten worse as some who did it before aren't doing it anymore. Something to do with the extra germs going around as a result of the flooding? I've gotten sick a couple times, for 2 weeks in all, probably as a direct result of fluids exchanged in French kissing. Plenty of willingness for BB services, though, and BBBJ seems pretty much standard, something they have no problem doing & expect to do. At least with me. Though for the most part, with the exception of 2 ladies, I've stuck with about 10 others I've known from previous visits. Two months done & one to go.[/QUOTE]Not a problem with me although I am Asian and look vaguely Thai so our situations may be a little different if you are a farang looking farang. I only had one girl who didn't want to DFK but she was clearly new to the game. My last vist was in December but I will be back soon to test your theory out.
I smoke but I make a point of brushing me teeth before fucking so maybe that accounts for my stats.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1254632]I've never had problems getting tongue kissing with the Thai babes. Perhaps they find me very hansum (it helps being half Nihonjin LOL)
Either you've ran really bad meeting girls who don't like to kiss. But I would find that hard to believe. Are you even pursuing it? Or are you just cutting to the chase and going straight to rawdawg mode? I would at least ensure that you give your teeth a good brushing and use mouthwash before you go out. If you go out to eat, always have some breath mints or gum with you.[/QUOTE]To me kissing is a huge indicator of how the session will go. I will walk away if they say they don't kiss. If they won't kiss, they are not opening themselves up to you and usually will turn out to be a lousy fuck.
[quote=pinkpearl;1254535]i already knew that tgs are not as much into lip and tongue kissing as canadian sps i've experienced. but on my present trip it has gotten worse as some who did it before aren't doing it anymore. something to do with the extra germs going around as a result of the flooding? i've gotten sick a couple times, for 2 weeks in all, probably as a direct result of fluids exchanged in french kissing.[/quote]i have read that breathing in the vapours that others have just breathed out is far more dangerous than kissing for catching something. saliva is supposed to afford some protection. dirty hands is also supposed to be more dangerous.
traditionally thailand was not a big kissing nation in the dfk sense. thais used to consider these things as dirty, even if both mouths are relatively clean. its becomming more common though these days, and particularly experienced working girls will know customers expect it. fastidious girls may still avoid it. i have found that girls inhibitions to dfk quickly dissappear when they have had a few drinks, and are horny.
other possible reasons (apart from microbe phobia) :
1. your breath is bad. clean teeth before seeing girl, including flossing and preferrably tongue scrape too (bad gunk resides on back of tongue). smokers and beer drinkers should take special precautions with mouth wash.
2. she may be afraid her own breath is not good, after som tam with plaa-raa, or that you may experience a chili sting. some girls look forward to giving bbbj after eating chilis though.
its possible to find girls that only kiss a little bit, not exactly dfk, that are still a good fuck, but not kissing at all is a danger warning for me. many girls that are not that big on kissing the first time, may change once they get accustomed to you and like you. some girls that didn't want to kiss much still do bbbj and daty, perhaps considering these as less dangerous.
some mongers don't want to kiss too, no matter how carefully the girl cleans herself. i find it a bit hypocritical that guys want cim, but don't want to kiss the girl who allows cim.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1255050]To me kissing is a huge indicator of how the session will go. I will walk away if they say they don't kiss. If they won't kiss, they are not opening themselves up to you and usually will turn out to be a lousy fuck.[/QUOTE]I would not kiss a girl if she has bad breath or gum disease. Same goes for smelly pussy. I tell the same thing to them " Do not kiss in the mouth unless girlfirend". Made famous in the movie.
DFK is a LOT more common in the Ratchada massage parlours. My favorites. Emmanuelle, Copa Cabana, the Lord. It's also a lot more common when you wear a decent (from their point of view) watch. LOL.
Another reason why she might not kiss is because she just got done suckin some dude off and doesn't want you to taste his pud LOL
Its well known that Thailand's ladyboys (katoey. Sounds like Ga-another site-ee) are often amazingly good looking, such that they win international beauty competitions (for this special category). Its important to not make the wrong choice accidentally, as many newbies are prone to. So here is something to test yourself.
[url]http://www.bangkokpicture.com/nightlife/spotthekatoeys.php[/url]
I am embarassed to say I only got 8/10 right, despite a lot of experience, but was quite uncertain on the two I got wrong.
My advice to all is, if uncertain, take the safe way and assume its a Katoey. Its wise to be suspicious. Most real girls don't fall into the uncertain category.
Using my advice, hopefully some of you can score a perfect 10.
Check out the very pretty Belle Nuntida
http://www.bangkokpicture.com/unusual/nantida-on-thailands-got-talent-show.php
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1256410]Its well known that Thailand's ladyboys (katoey. Sounds like Ga-another site-ee) are often amazingly good looking, such that they win international beauty competitions (for this special category). Its important to not make the wrong choice accidentally, as many newbies are prone to. So here is something to test yourself.
[url]http://www.bangkokpicture.com/nightlife/spotthekatoeys.php[/url]
I am embarassed to say I only got 8/10 right, despite a lot of experience, but was quite uncertain on the two I got wrong.
My advice to all is, if uncertain, take the safe way and assume its a Katoey. Its wise to be suspicious. Most real girls don't fall into the uncertain category.
Using my advice, hopefully some of you can score a perfect 10.
Check out the very pretty Belle Nuntida
[url]http://www.bangkokpicture.com/unusual/nantida-on-thailands-got-talent-show.php[/url][/QUOTE]Your score is = 10/10.
Every so often these get posted and since the pictures are silent it's sometimes hard to tell but once you hear the voice and see their body movements it's a lot easier to spot them.
[QUOTE=Dash Riprock;1256327]DFK is a LOT more common in the Ratchada massage parlours. My favorites. Emmanuelle, Copa Cabana, the Lord. It's also a lot more common when you wear a decent (from their point of view) watch. LOL.[/QUOTE]Hollywood style LFK is what many are looking for even WG's sometimes, and if you actually find the girl attractive and she can sense that, it will get even better. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISlHhlh4-E[/url]
Judging from what I see around town, a lot of western tourists simply can't tell or are into 'trying something new. ' It's not surprising considering these folks didn't grow up with this type of katoey and will naturally find some of them more difficult to identify. You may as well ask they typical Asian tourist to try to differentiate between sorority girls and indy co-eds. Being perpetually drunk in dark clubs and bars doesn't help much either. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1256410]Its well known that Thailand's ladyboys (katoey. Sounds like Ga-another site-ee) are often amazingly good looking, such that they win international beauty competitions (for this special category). Its important to not make the wrong choice accidentally, as many newbies are prone to. So here is something to test yourself.
[url]http://www.bangkokpicture.com/nightlife/spotthekatoeys.php[/url]
I am embarassed to say I only got 8/10 right, despite a lot of experience, but was quite uncertain on the two I got wrong.
My advice to all is, if uncertain, take the safe way and assume its a Katoey. Its wise to be suspicious. Most real girls don't fall into the uncertain category.
Using my advice, hopefully some of you can score a perfect 10.
Check out the very pretty Belle Nuntida
[url]http://www.bangkokpicture.com/unusual/nantida-on-thailands-got-talent-show.php[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1256410](katoey. Sounds like Ga-another site-ee)[/QUOTE]Apologies for auto spelling corrector. Should have read (katoey. Sounds like Ga-t er-ee) Have to agree the way they move helps a lot and way they speak (sometimes).
Thailand's billion dollar / baht, state ot the art, recently opened airport Suvarnabhumi not efficient enough to process travelers so Don Mueang will re-open to ease the pain.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/transport/284556/single-airport-policy-ends[/url]
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1258305]Thailand's billion dollar / baht, state ot the art, recently opened airport Suvarnabhumi not efficient enough to process travelers so Don Mueang will re-open to ease the pain.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/transport/284556/single-airport-policy-ends[/url][/QUOTE]This is a classic tradition of Thais in how to tackle a problem. No where in the world except Thailand can this happen? The airport is good but the problem running it is the problem! The same people who made the decision to buy a luggage system that was abandon by United in Denver. The same people who brought undergrade cement for the runways and gates, the same people who selected the wrong aircon system for the airport, the list goes on and on. Instead of tackling the problem directly go to the old airport. Has anyone thought about closing the old airport for good which was the original intent and bring the Immigration staff to the new one? K.I.S.S. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1258396]This is a classic tradition of Thais in how to tackle a problem. No where in the world except Thailand can this happen? The airport is good but the problem running it is the problem! The same people who made the decision to buy a luggage system that was abandon by United in Denver. The same people who brought undergrade cement for the runways and gates, the same people who selected the wrong aircon system for the airport, the list goes on and on. Instead of tackling the problem directly go to the old airport. Has anyone thought about closing the old airport for good which was the original intent and bring the Immigration staff to the new one?
LBM[/QUOTE]Immigration booths do not simply seem to pair the waves of traffic. Incoming aircrafts feeding immigration are wide bodies of 250+ pax each.
Have 5 landing at the same time and 1500 people will que up. 20 booths will clear 75 people each. 1 minute each pax, makes it that the last of the 75 in line goes through after one hour at least.
This is an extreme calculaton, but gives the feeling.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1258398]Immigration booths do not simply seem to pair the waves of traffic. Incoming aircrafts feeding immigration are wide bodies of 250+ pax each.
Have 5 landing at the same time and 1500 people will que up. 20 booths will clear 75 people each. 1 minute each pax, makes it that the last of the 75 in line goes through after one hour at least.
This is an extreme calculaton, but gives the feeling.[/QUOTE]Well you really must be choosing to arrive at peak time. I arrive at Suwanaphuum at least 8 times per year, and mostly I manage to get through within 20 mins I would think. I do often arrive in very early morning or late at night or Sundays.
I mostly get a seat close to plane exit, and rush a little to Imm so that I at least beat 99% of passengers on my flight. This helps unless a few other flights got in just before yours.
Still would have been nice if the had automated gates for those with electronic passports. Save mucking around with paper work.
On the topic of paper work, I lost both my Thai bankbook and ATM Card. I had to firstly report my bankbook missing to a police station, then go to the original bank where they filled out many forms. I had to sign my name a minimum of 15 times to get a new bankbook and ATM Card. Note that getting a new ATM Card requires you to have a bankbook (a thing of yester-year one would think). Showing passport is not enough.
I know there are complaints, but I go in and out of LAX all the time. It is the worst of piece of shit ever. So low class and tacky and mismanaged.
A lot of the US airports are bad.
I like all the Thai airports and have never had any problems.
Is there a setting in ISG which allows members to write and post forum reports that are accessible to some members but not accessible to others? Can you intentionally exclude some members from reading your reports?
If there is such a function I can't find it.
I'm not referring to the Ignore function which allows you to ignore some member's reports.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1258413]Well you really must be choosing to arrive at peak time. I arrive at Suwanaphuum at least 8 times per year, and mostly I manage to get through within 20 mins I would think. I do often arrive in very early morning or late at night or Sundays.
I mostly get a seat close to plane exit, and rush a little to Imm so that I at least beat 99% of passengers on my flight. This helps unless a few other flights got in just before yours.
Still would have been nice if the had automated gates for those with electronic passports. Save mucking around with paper work.[/QUOTE]Sometime you can't choose to arrive in the low peak window at BKK, sometime, as you say,""this helps unless a few other flights got in just before yours"". That was my point: arrive in a peak time and you are done!
Nice idea to sit close to an exit, but there are only some half a dozen seats meeting that requirement. What about the remaining zillion passengers sitting in a middle seat at the tail? I am not expecting 200booths, but there are ways in between.
I, personally, am not touched as I use the fast track. But it is a fact there are passengers not helping the flow, leaving passports in the bag, not filling the form, causing delays. I have noticed the vast majority of officers run the procedure pretty quickly, tho'.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1258396]This is a classic tradition of Thais in how to tackle a problem. No where in the world except Thailand can this happen? The airport is good but the problem running it is the problem! The same people who made the decision to buy a luggage system that was abandon by United in Denver. The same people who brought undergrade cement for the runways and gates, the same people who selected the wrong aircon system for the airport, the list goes on and on. Instead of tackling the problem directly go to the old airport. Has anyone thought about closing the old airport for good which was the original intent and bring the Immigration staff to the new one? K. I. S. S. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!
LBM[/QUOTE]The waiting time in the Immigration lines coming and going is just too much but you can pay your way out of the waiting lines by using the fast track service, probably the best solution for weary travelers at this point.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1258468]The waiting time in the Immigration lines coming and going is just too much but you can pay your way out of the waiting lines by using the fast track service, probably the best solution for weary travelers at this point.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I heard that before but I have all the time in the world now just waiting to die? I wouldn't give the morons the satisfaction!
LBM
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1258398]Immigration booths do not simply seem to pair the waves of traffic. Incoming aircrafts feeding immigration are wide bodies of 250+ pax each.
Have 5 landing at the same time and 1500 people will que up. 20 booths will clear 75 people each. 1 minute each pax, makes it that the last of the 75 in line goes through after one hour at least.
This is an extreme calculaton, but gives the feeling.[/QUOTE]Your calculation is more that correct! You should have volunteer to design and work for the Thai airport because this isn't rocket science. You want to build a world class airport and know first hand that the majority landing aircraft will be wide bodies and know exactly who is coming and when they will be landing yet you don't have the necessary staff or facility? These are the same people who design bathrooms with only two stalls in the beginning. Sometimes they do surprise me that it actually gets done but I've learned not to hold my breath?
In the last 7 years I have only used Eva and in years back 2007/2008 I arrived the same time 11:30am, and I never experience the lines like today. Always planned on taking the 12 noon Bell bus, now I wait for the 1400 bus.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1258503]Your calculation is more that correct! You should have volunteer to design and work for the Thai airport because this isn't rocket science. You want to build a world class airport and know first hand that the majority landing aircraft will be wide bodies and know exactly who is coming and when they will be landing yet you don't have the necessary staff or facility? These are the same people who design bathrooms with only two stalls in the beginning. Sometimes they do surprise me that it actually gets done but I've learned not to hold my breath?
In the last 7 years I have only used Eva and in years back 2007/2008 I arrived the same time 11:30am, and I never experience the lines like today. Always planned on taking the 12 noon Bell bus, now I wait for the 1400 bus.
LBM[/QUOTE]The examples are never ending. What I've concluded is that the design / construction team gets more focused on the kick backs and how to line their pockets than how to build a truly funtional solution. Here is a favorite example of mine. In Ranong (where I live, don't ask me why) they built a "Multi Purpose Port". This has dock space and cranes for container shipments. The big idea was to "compete with Singapore". Riiiiiiight. So they built the multi millon dollar facility and when finished it was revealed that the seaway channel into Ranong is not deep enough for container ships. Dredging would be so massive it would cost more than the port facility. BUT, everybody got paid didn't they?
C4T
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1258518]The examples are never ending. What I've concluded is that the design / construction team gets more focused on the kick backs and how to line their pockets than how to build a truly funtional solution. Here is a favorite example of mine. In Ranong (where I live, don't ask me why) they built a "Multi Purpose Port". This has dock space and cranes for container shipments. The big idea was to "compete with Singapore". Riiiiiiight. So they built the multi millon dollar facility and when finished it was revealed that the seaway channel into Ranong is not deep enough for container ships. Dredging would be so massive it would cost more than the port facility. BUT, everybody got paid didn't they?
C4T[/QUOTE]And you're still C4T? That is 100% correct this B. S. Goes around throughout Thailand but the majority of the citizen can't figure it out maybe that is why we have such a great time with the results from their mistakes over and over again. They say over 200 billion baht lost each year from the corruption so as long as they continue to screw up we will benefit from the new meat that arrives for our tasting?
LBM
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1258462]Is there a setting in ISG which allows members to write and post forum reports that are accessible to some members but not accessible to others? Can you intentionally exclude some members from reading your reports?
If there is such a function I can't find it.
I'm not referring to the Ignore function which allows you to ignore some member's reports.[/QUOTE]The idea of a forum is to share information, not to keep them secret.
The PM function allows Private Messages between individual members, not to a group of guys.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1258503]Your calculation is more that correct! You should have volunteer to design and work for the Thai airport because this isn't rocket science. .
LBM[/QUOTE]There might be also a bit of purposely made delay. The time you spend at immigration allows them to bring your baggage at the carrousel belt. So when you are finally out of passport control, maybe 15 or 30' after you left the plane, and you reach the baggage claim area, you will see your bag on the belt. You will be impressed by the timely delivery, no boring waiting at the belt, no worrying or no wondering whether your bag will appear or not, or waiting toomlong for it makes you think it got lost. The time you have been spending at the immigration will not be accounted to the airport efficiency but at those beauraucrats of the immigration agency. : will you dispute with immigration officers? Certainly not! Will you complain with delayed baggage: absolutely yes! Problem sorted!
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1258532]The idea of a forum is to share information, not to keep them secret.
The PM function allows Private Messages between individual members, not to a group of guys.[/QUOTE]I agree.
So why is there one poster on this board who's posts I cannot access?
When I click to view his reports, and it's only his, I'm taken to someone else's post. It's as though this guy never posted, but when someone quotes his post I can view that.
I'm not able to access any of this member's posts. That's why I asked if there is some special function which allows a poster to block other posters from accessing their posts. If there is, and this guy doesn't want me to read his reports, I'm fine with that, but I didn't believe that was possible.
Very mysterious.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1258542]I agree.
So why is there one poster on this board who's posts I cannot access?
When I click to view his reports, and it's only his, I'm taken to someone else's post. It's as though this guy never posted, but when someone quotes his post I can view that.
I'm not able to access any of this member's posts. That's why I asked if there is some special function which allows a poster to block other posters from accessing their posts. If there is, and this guy doesn't want me to read his reports, I'm fine with that, but I didn't believe that was possible.
Very mysterious.[/QUOTE]Might be some bug or mismatch in the ISG database?
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1258536]There might be also a bit of purposely made delay. The time you spend at immigration allows them to bring your baggage at the carrousel belt. So when you are finally out of passport control, maybe 15 or 30' after you left the plane, and you reach the baggage claim area, you will see your bag on the belt. You will be impressed by the timely delivery, no boring waiting at the belt, no worrying or no wondering whether your bag will appear or not, or waiting toomlong for it makes you think it got lost. The time you have been spending at the immigration will not be accounted to the airport efficiency but at those beauraucrats of the immigration agency. : will you dispute with immigration officers? Certainly not! Will you complain with delayed baggage: absolutely yes! Problem sorted![/QUOTE]Your reply couldn't be more wrong! The airport efficiency know exactly what is going on and if it is purposely as you said the efficiency people should be tar and feather along with their balls. Most likely a moron a family member of a higher up given the job with no experience like most position in Thailand that suppose to control flooding?
In fact each time I have come in during those hours when Eva arrived, my bags were no longer on the carrousel belt they were pull off and put in a area next to the carrousel so that they can process the next flight arriving. So the last thing I'm thinking is being impressed!
LBM
I do not think the delays at Suvarnabhumi are that bad. EVERY time I flew to the US I had much longer delays at immigration and bagage handling, not to say the much less friendliness of the immigration officers in the US.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1258614]I do not think the delays at Suvarnabhumi are that bad. EVERY time I flew to the US I had much longer delays at immigration and bagage handling, not to say the much less friendliness of the immigration officers in the US.[/QUOTE]I flew into BKK around 10 days ago at Noon.
From the time that the plane touched down it took me 1 hr 40 minutes until I got outside for a taxi.
It certainly seemed to me that immigration was more crowded than usual!
EVERY gate (Thai & Farrang) seemed to have LONG queues. Many were backed up right down the slope towards the main concourse.
However, on my departure, at around 6. 00 pm on a weekday the queues for EXIT passport control and security seemed MUCH shorter than I am used to!
Hotman.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1258600]Your reply couldn't be more wrong! The airport efficiency know exactly what is going on and if it is purposely as you said the efficiency people should be tar and feather along with their balls. Most likely a moron a family member of a higher up given the job with no experience like most position in Thailand that suppose to control flooding?
In fact each time I have come in during those hours when Eva arrived, my bags were no longer on the carrousel belt they were pull off and put in a area next to the carrousel so that they can process the next flight arriving. So the last thing I'm thinking is being impressed!
LBM[/QUOTE]I am not saying the immigration delays is scientifically done to show efficiency at the carrousel.
But if (the delay) happens, it helps.
I do agree airports are well aware of passenger flows well ahead. But it is often ignored.
When I landed last Monday at 5. 35 am there was quite some lines at immigration. At least 20 persons per booth. One hour later I was in Sukhumvit, thanks to the fast track and no checked in luggage. I will see next Monday, when I have luggage.
Of course, each one has his own impressions and judgements.
Usually only half or a third of the booths have a customs officer in them processing passports. So it doesn't seem like it's an airport design issue, but rather a staffing issue. Why are they not solving it? I have no idea. It certainly doesn't create a good impression when you enter the country. And it's strange because most everywhere else in Thailand, Thais tend to be customer-minded and provide excellent service.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1258639]Usually only half or a third of the booths have a customs officer in them processing passports. So it doesn't seem like it's an airport design issue, but rather a staffing issue. Why are they not solving it? I have no idea. It certainly doesn't create a good impression when you enter the country. And it's strange because most everywhere else in Thailand, Thais tend to be customer-minded and provide excellent service.[/QUOTE]I can that just a few more staff would work well, as we know thre are plenty of staff elsewhere doing nothing.
However, its not at all that bad, compared to what its like arriving at some other countries as a non-citizen, for example Los Angeles was pretty bad and is my least favourite airport of almost anywhere. Heathrow is not fun either. In Thailand at least there is no customs delay. No one cares what you bring into Thailand really if don't look suspicious. Move some of the idle persons there to Immigration would work.
I think the other point is valid that there is rarely a time when I get through Immigration to find my bags already at the carousel, and my bags are marked for priority.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1258632]I am not saying the immigration delays is scientifically done to show efficiency at the carrousel.
But if (the delay) happens, it helps.
I do agree airports are well aware of passenger flows well ahead. But it is often ignored.
When I landed last Monday at 5. 35 am there was quite some lines at immigration. At least 20 persons per booth. One hour later I was in Sukhumvit, thanks to the fast track and no checked in luggage. I will see next Monday, when I have luggage.
Of course, each one has his own impressions and judgements.[/QUOTE]I understand what you are saying but in this particular conversation when you are waitin in Immigration or to be more correct you are trying to get into Immigration meaning the lines are back up to the end of the ramp! By the time I get to the carrousel where my luggage is suppose to be they have already pull everyones luggage from the carrousel and bags are sitting on the floor area and passenger have to go ask attendants where are the bags from their flight! This problem has been noted several times in the Bangkok post over a year ago. They claim they don't have enough staffing time and time again but the problem still exist.
On each major aircraft 75% of the passenger are in coach? That allows 25% to fast track who pay? That leaves 75% of passenger that have to go through the standard procedure which only have 10 stations open which 15 others are standing around looking at the lines which they can't do anything about! When you come in watch and you will see what I'm talking about. No use us going around and around about this issue its the Thais to solve which right now they can't so Yingluck says small airlines should use the old airport? What a joke! I had greater expectation for her but in the end you can take the Thai out of the country but you can't take the Thai out of a Thai?
LBM
Look for the booths that have two immigration officers but only one line. Those move twice as fast as the ones with a line in front of each immigration officer. I did this a couple of weeks ago when I came back from the Philippines. It worked like a charm. As soon as I got to the baggage carousel my bag was coming out.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1258669]On each major aircraft 75% of the passenger are in coach? That allows 25% to fast track who pay? That leaves 75% of passenger that have to go through the standard procedure which only have 10 stations open which 15 others are standing around looking at the lines which they can't do anything about![/QUOTE]When I was entering the country last month I tried to go to the Fast Track line and one of the officers informed me that it was only for Thai Air. But, I have gotten a Fast Track pass from other airlines when leaving the country when they were running late with the check-in.
Dear all,
I want to ask if you have tried the Revival For Men, which is supposed to help you have great sex. Apparently, one tablet will help you last 3 or 4 days.
I saw it on another forum, where users seem to get crazy about this. However, when I googled, there is nothing more.
Any of your advice is welcome. Should a mid-30s man buy it?
Thank you.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1258600]Your reply couldn't be more wrong! The airport efficiency know exactly what is going on and if it is purposely as you said the efficiency people should be tar and feather along with their balls. Most likely a moron a family member of a higher up given the job with no experience like most position in Thailand that suppose to control flooding?
In fact each time I have come in during those hours when Eva arrived, my bags were no longer on the carrousel belt they were pull off and put in a area next to the carrousel so that they can process the next flight arriving. So the last thing I'm thinking is being impressed!
LBM[/QUOTE]You're right, no way are they coordinating / syncing baggage delivery with immigration processing. The main point here is that the Thais have identified this problem themselves and are trying to fix it. They just seem to be taking the most circuitous route to reach their solution. You wonder why it takes on average five minutes to screen a passenger before they can pass through immigration, what are they looking for? There's got to be a faster better way to say, enter or denied. I heard some people actually have fainted waiting in line because of the temperature and the wait time. The good thing about fainting though is that it gets you to the head of the line.
The system they are using must be way behind times or it could just be the majority of the immigration officers who seem to take pride in making people wait in line. A lot of them remind me of the workers at the soon to be bankrupt U. S Postal Service who ran themselves out of business by operating inefficiently and never seem to care because they had no incentives to. Whatever the reason for the delays, maybe they should hire some consultant from some of the more efficient airports around to give them some pointers, just don't use the consultants from Ninoy Aquino International, that would lead to a another coup.
[QUOTE=Consizitai; 1258683]Dear all,
I want to ask if you have tried the Revival For Men, which is supposed to help you have great sex. Apparently, one tablet will help you last 3 or 4 days.
I saw it on another forum, where users seem to get crazy about this. However, when I googled, there is nothing more.
Any of your advice is welcome. Should a mid-30s man buy it?
Thank you.[/QUOTE]I would be extremely skeptical with those kind of products. Most are nothing more than modern day snake oil. There was a company, I think it was Enzyte, that put on a pretty big marketing campaign. And eventually, the only thing that got bigger was their bank account.
[QUOTE=Consizitai; 1258683]Dear all,
I want to ask if you have tried the Revival For Men, which is supposed to help you have great sex. Apparently, one tablet will help you last 3 or 4 days.
I saw it on another forum, where users seem to get crazy about this. However, when I googled, there is nothing more.
Any of your advice is welcome. Should a mid-30s man buy it?
Thank you.[/QUOTE]You should buy it in your mid 30's if you are in shit poor shape and lack confidence. Why would you need it? I am in my late 50's and can fuck 3 times a day. Stop drinking, start eating right, exercise, don't smoke, don't take drugs and you will get many, many woodies all day.
My trick is I usually slip my way up the ramp on the side once I get to the top I do just that I try to look at a booth where both are open. I also look at the lines that don't have too many couples or tour groups standing in them. They just seem to go much slower? Needless to say I certainly don't get in a line that seem to have Indians or Middle Eastern (sorry) in general the waiting time increases? The bad luck part finding two immiration officier in one set of booth is that as soon as I get close one goes to lunch?
Last year I noticed that a few immigration officiers were directing Chinese tour groups to use the Thais National section and so I tagged along but got busted when one saw I had a USA Passport! I also read a report last year in the Bangkok Post that they are testing Automated Machines? Has anyone seen them being tested?
The one thing I have to give the Immigration Officiers is that they never seem to get excited? They are consistence, smooth and rarely smile or break out in a sweat. Like mentioned they work or are trained like the USA Postal agents that they are the government and got you by the balls. In Thailand that translate into Mai Pen Rai?
LBM
My international flight is at 8 am. What time should I get there at?
[QUOTE=Bouncewithme;1258996]My international flight is at 8 am. What time should I get there at?[/QUOTE] Preferably by 5 am. but 6 am at the latest
Some posters speak about Thailand going downhill since some 20 years ago. The following may give a different perspective:
"When I first came here 20 years ago every girl insisted on condom use for fear of HIV. Now they all say they don't like condoms and don't want me to use one. And I'm not talking about hookers here, but girls you would consider educated and with an ability to think about the future."
"The 20-25 age group in particular seem to have no fear of HIV at all."
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1258848]I also read a report last year in the Bangkok Post that they are testing Automated Machines? Has anyone seen them being tested?[/QUOTE]This is an example of the article you are talking about.
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/469892-suvarnabhumi-airport-to-get-automatic-passport-check-system/[/url]
It leads on that these machines can be used by anyone. However in a more recent article that I read a couple of weeks ago, it says that these machines are only for Thai nationals. They are supposed to begin using the machines next month.
http://www.thaitravelblogs.com/2012/03/immigration-to-use-auto-gates-at-suvarnabhumi-airport/
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1258676]When I was entering the country last month I tried to go to the Fast Track line and one of the officers informed me that it was only for Thai Air. But, I have gotten a Fast Track pass from other airlines when leaving the country when they were running late with the check-in.[/QUOTE]The fast track is for Premium passengers, that is those in First or Business class and those with a VIP pass, like the APEC card for instance. If you retain your First or Business class boarding pass you should have no trouble. The passport scanning sytem will only be for thai passport holders, they have no idea what other countries are up to in their particular IRFID passports, and they cannot deny a thai entry, so no need to check them out. That will take all thai nationals out of the usual immigration queue and should considerably shorten the waiting times when it happens. Of course, employing people who speak english would be a big help also, but that will never happen.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1259359]The fast track is for Premium passengers, that is those in First or Business class and those with a VIP pass, like the APEC card for instance. If you retain your First or Business class boarding pass you should have no trouble. The passport scanning sytem will only be for thai passport holders, they have no idea what other countries are up to in their particular IRFID passports, and they cannot deny a thai entry, so no need to check them out. That will take all thai nationals out of the usual immigration queue and should considerably shorten the waiting times when it happens. Of course, employing people who speak english would be a big help also, but that will never happen.[/QUOTE]A correction? The Thai Nationals aren't using the "usual Immigration queue " (Foreign Passport) They have their own already which is basically the VIP (Thai Passport) there are usually no more than one / two waiting to use their queue. So creating a so call machines for them is even more stupid when they generally don't have to wait now?
LBM
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1259359]The fast track is for Premium passengers, that is those in First or Business class and those with a VIP pass, like the APEC card for instance. If you retain your First or Business class boarding pass you should have no trouble.[/QUOTE]Yes. I thought that too until I tried to go through the line.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1259473]Yes. I thought that too until I tried to go through the line.[/QUOTE]Correct: fast track is for diplomats, officials, crew, holder of fast track pass, apec card and first / business class passengers.
The lattest either get a card on the plane or, if flying Thai, just need to show their boarding card showing the flown class.
They do check the possession of those titles, mind you. Usually one doesn't have more than a couple of people in front.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1259173]"The 20-25 age group in particular seem to have no fear of HIV at all."[/QUOTE]Could well be that they have not lived the tough years when HIV was hitting also on "normal people" (ie no druggies and people living borderline) being also an invisible desease people can't actually spot a carrier.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1259656]Correct: fast track is for diplomats, officials, crew, holder of fast track pass, apec card and first / business class passengers.[/QUOTE]Last I was there, I saw they also allowed old people, mothers with young children and monks.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1259686]Last I was there, I saw they also allowed old people, mothers with young children and monks.[/QUOTE]There is a line for old people (70+) , children etc. To the right of the regular immigration lines. The VIP counter
(fast track) is about 100 meters past the herd.
[QUOTE=Lord Farquard;1259693]There is a line for old people (70+) , children etc. To the right of the regular immigration lines. The VIP counter[/QUOTE]That's the one I mentioned indeed.
Do you think I can get through with some make-up, a wig and a pram with a baby-like doll in it?
Or maybe shave my head and wear an orange dress?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1259697]That's the one I mentioned indeed.
Do you think I can get through with some make-up, a wig and a pram with a baby-like doll in it?
Or maybe shave my head and wear an orange dress?[/QUOTE]Sometimes when that line is not busy they will send a person around to gather up the "strays" and send them to that line, but don't hold your breath, on two occations I guess I looked really old to them and they sent me over. Asians look younger to westerners, so I guess that westerners look older to Asians.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1259697]That's the one I mentioned indeed.
Do you think I can get through with some make-up, a wig and a pram with a baby-like doll in it?
Or maybe shave my head and wear an orange dress?[/QUOTE]The latter might get you bumped up from economy class to first / business on Thai. At least that happened to the monks on my last Thai flight.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1259658]Could well be that they have not lived the tough years when HIV was hitting also on "normal people" (ie no druggies and people living borderline) being also an invisible desease people can't actually spot a carrier.[/QUOTE]When was the "tough years" you speak of? Of course HIV is a much less scary thing than it was 20 years ago when Magic Johnson got it.
"The Public Health found that only 39 per cent of young girls use condom regularly."
[url]http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/11/25/national/national_30089295.php[/url]
"Older men, younger women. A good thing"
"It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara."
[url]http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/s.en-091207.html[/url]
"I have a doctor friend whose pet theory is that if a man can make it to 55 without any major problems (cancer, stroke, etc) , then it's likely that he'll live into his old age without any major problems. Therefore, those are the guys with better genes. So should be the ones to breed."
[url]http://terb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?375838-Older-men-younger-women-A-good-thing[/url]
[QUOTE=How14;1259932]When did thai people have the ability to think about the future?[/QUOTE]You could even omit "about the future" but then would need to replace "have the ability" with "take the effort"
I love this guy's videos. At first, he seems boring. He has a LOT of videos about Thailand. He covers a lot of aspects of moving around in Thailand not covered on here. How to rent a motorcycle. How to take a train or bus. What to eat. How to talk to other people. He warns against pitfalls there (such as drugs). He's started his own service- which actually seems worth it. Here's the link. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdQrSe6qMlk[/url] Just flying to one of these countries on my own, well, it's a little intimidating. I wish they had more of these on other countries such as Ecuador, Argentina, Paraguay, etc.
I'm sitting in the CIP lounge in BKK heading to PP. I just came through immigration at 12:45. It looks like most of the booths were manned. I stood in line for about 10 seconds before I was called up to be processed. Then it took the agent about 15 seconds to process me. It appears they are doing some type of expansion as far as the number of booths is concerned because I had never been in that particular area when leaving out of the country. I usually go through on the far right but this section was well before that, more towards the center.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1260463]I'm sitting in the CIP lounge in BKK heading to PP. I just came through immigration at 12:45. It looks like most of the booths were manned. I stood in line for about 10 seconds before I was called up to be processed. Then it took the agent about 15 seconds to process me. It appears they are doing some type of expansion as far as the number of booths is concerned because I had never been in that particular area when leaving out of the country. I usually go through on the far right but this section was well before that, more towards the center.[/QUOTE]At 11:30, the lines were back out to the moving walkway, estimated time to get through was 50 min. I did not stop to look and see the booth staffing, as I went through the VIP lanes.
There was no one at the VIP counters and luggage was just starting to arrive after I went through, and I was the first one off the plane. I can not comment on the cause of the back up, but on the average if I do not get a VIP pass, the time in line around noon is 1/2 hour. The lines have been that long for the past year, that is with 10 flights to BKK. I think it has more to do with too may flights arriving at the same time, I can not see any help by moving the domestic flights to the other airport, as they do not have to pass through immigration. But what do I know.
[QUOTE=Lord Farquard; 1260468]At 11:30, the lines were back out to the moving walkway, estimated time to get through was 50 min. I did not stop to look and see the booth staffing, as I went through the VIP lanes.
There was no one at the VIP counters and luggage was just starting to arrive after I went through, and I was the first one off the plane. I can not comment on the cause of the back up, but on the average if I do not get a VIP pass, the time in line around noon is 1/2 hour. The lines have been that long for the past year, that is with 10 flights to BKK. I think it has more to do with too may flights arriving at the same time, I can not see any help by moving the domestic flights to the other airport, as they do not have to pass through immigration. But what do I know.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it clarifies anything, but although you and Mr. E are both talking about immigration, you were traveling in opposite directions (arrival vs. Departure).
My arrival around 4pm 2 weeks ago only required a 5 minute wait at immigration.
The most important factor is clearly how many flight are arriving / departing at the same time.
[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1261876]My arrival around 4pm 2 weeks ago only required a 5 minute wait at immigration.
The most important factor is clearly how many flight are arriving / departing at the same time.[/QUOTE]The capacity of the airport, in all senses, has to be tuned to the flow of the arriving / departing flights and passengers. This is very true.
Last night I landed at 10. 25, aircraft parked at a remote stand, so all brought to the terminal by bus. I was on the first as flying business. Another bus arrived at the same time. Immigration has some 10 lines very busy. I went to the fast lane and two were open with 2-4 people in line. All of a sudden those two lines were filled with 10-15 passengers as staff directed people from the normal immigration lines, vanishing the priority of those entitled to it. A guy escorted by airport staff was brought to a closed booth, an officer came and processed his immigration and kept the booth opened for other people of the other lines. There is definitely a lack of capcity in handling immigration. But this is also quite normal in many other airports around the world, unfortunately. I got this in Shangai, in Istanbul, USA, UK, Japan. Being a governmental service, nobody seems to care if the passengers have to wait or not. Would it be a private service open to competition, things are different. What do you want to do in this case? Not fly to BKK as immigration takes 30' of your time? Send a complain letter? To get what? A formal reply full of nothing? It is nothing we specifically pay for, so nothing much we can claim, other than rating it not efficient. Facts of life. Dubai airport seems to have quite many booths open and the waiting line is never more that 6-10 people, my experience.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1260463]I'm sitting in the CIP lounge in BKK heading to PP. I just came through immigration at 12:45. It looks like most of the booths were manned. I stood in line for about 10 seconds before I was called up to be processed. Then it took the agent about 15 seconds to process me. It appears they are doing some type of expansion as far as the number of booths is concerned because I had never been in that particular area when leaving out of the country. I usually go through on the far right but this section was well before that, more towards the center.[/QUOTE]They have a CIP-Cum In Pussy lounge at the airport now. How much for ST?
Seems ISG has been blocked by the Thai gov't LOL. Same boat as China.
[QUOTE=]In Asia-Pacific New Delhi (DEL), Jakarta (CGK) and Bangkok (BKK) achieved impressive double-digit growth of 21.7, 19.2 and 12 percent respectively[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.emailbrain.com/eb_members/12262/ftp/Attachments/PR_2012-03-27_PreliminaryResults_2011.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-28/asian-airports-storm-global-rankings-as-atlanta-keeps-top-spot.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Mooris7;1263103]Seems ISG has been blocked by the Thai gov't LOL. Same boat as China.[/QUOTE]Rubbish. Certain service providers may block it, but working fine on most internet connections.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1261897]There is definitely a lack of capcity in handling immigration. But this is also quite normal in many other airports around the world, unfortunately. I got this in Shangai, in Istanbul, USA, UK, Japan. Being a governmental service, nobody seems to care if the passengers have to wait or not. Would it be a private service open to competition, things are different. What do you want to do in this case? Not fly to BKK as immigration takes 30' of your time? Send a complain letter?[/QUOTE]I arrive BKK about 8 times per year. I don't find the immigration wait to be as bad as 30 mins very often.
Tips:
Arrive Sunday, or very early morning or late at night. Immigration could be quicker, and less traffic jams going to the city.
If one Immigration hall is very full, try the other one. Helps sometimes.
When exiting the plane, don't dilly dally. Try to beat the rest of your flight to immigration.
Often I get to luggage carousel and still have to wait for the bag. Sometimes not as my luggage is marked for priority processing.
If any intake has two officers, then that one will move faster than most that only have a single officer.
Don't look at how long a queue seems to be, but do a quick estimate of actual number of people.
Observe which Immigration officers seem to be processing intake quickly and avoid a queue with an obvious hold right at that moment.
Try to get a feel for which nationalities or looks tend to cause immigration delays, and choose a different queue. E. G. Don't choose a queue where guys look like possible terrorists. I am not trying to make a racial comment here, merely over long periods I notice looks of people that take very long to get processed by Immigration. I am not aware of the exact issues. People like myself are always processable quickly.
If you are not shy, get in the queue for Thai Nationals, pretending to be the BF of some Thai girl in the queue. Those queues are usually shorter and go quicker.
Mostly I don't find BKK immigration to be that slow compared to other countries. Most countries are inconsistent.
[QUOTE=Mooris7;1263103]Seems ISG has been blocked by the Thai gov't LOL. Same boat as China.[/QUOTE]It worked till one week ago when I was in BKK. Funny enough some other sex / porn oriented websites were, but not others.
Sometime it depends on the IP access: you can browse through some and not through others. I experimented this in the more controlled arab countries or PRC.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1263744]Mostly I don't find BKK immigration to be that slow compared to other countries. Most countries are inconsistent.[/QUOTE]This is also very true! We are probably more bothered to experiment slow immigration since he contry is eager to get tourists in, so should facilitate the entry in the country.
Having said that first time I went to China few years ago, apart the waiting in line (if you get a few WB's landing, it is inevitable) I was happily surprised by how fast the agent took to process the immigration, and in a friendly manner. Can't say the same of some more "democratic" countries.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1263785]It worked till one week ago when I was in BKK. Funny enough some other sex / porn oriented websites were, but not others.
Sometime it depends on the IP access: you can browse through some and not through others. I experimented this in the more controlled arab countries or PRC.[/QUOTE]Yes, one Hotel I know blocks ISG, but allows redtube porn. Seems strange. The bar girl wanted me to put some porn on to get her horny, so picked some "X-Art" from redtube.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1263811]Yes, one Hotel I know blocks ISG, but allows redtube porn. Seems strange. The bar girl wanted me to put some porn on to get her horny, so picked some "X-Art" from redtube.[/QUOTE]I could not access Xhamster but could access redtube too (and ISG). Curious! .
Well. Not a big loss not a video web, but ISG has to be accessible! It is a bible anywhere one goes, LOL
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1263811]Yes, one Hotel I know blocks ISG, but allows redtube porn. Seems strange. The bar girl wanted me to put some porn on to get her horny, so picked some "X-Art" from redtube.[/QUOTE]The Admiral Premier hotel internet provider blocked ISG. Very curious considering all the positive reviews they get here. The HKG 141 site was also blocked while Pattaya / Philippine Addicts was accessible. In a practical usage sense, I don't really care if I can get on ISG because I rarely check it when I am on the road due to the fact that I am up to date before I leave, but in principle I object strongly. If the internet provider will block ISG what won't they block. In theory they can and will block everything.
When I am in BKK, I always want to have access to.
[url]http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/home/home.php?[/url]
To check on the soapy massage parlors and I always want access to my favorite BKK oily massage sites as well. That's why the blocking of the Hong Kong 141 site bothered me a great deal. It makes no sense. When I arrived in Macau the ISG and 141 sites were accessible again.
Censorship, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I probably should have spoken to the Admiral Premier Manager. I am a annual guest. What the fuck!
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1263858]The Admiral Premier hotel internet provider blocked ISG. Very curious considering all the positive reviews they get here.[/QUOTE]In a way it is ridiculous that this "sex" censorship is acting in a country where you can't walk past 10 meters and you bump into a WG. I know, not the whole country is an open air brothel, not every girls is available for P4P, we only see the mongering surface as we go in a pilgrimage from one soapie to an oily, with a drinking break in a go-go or a beer bar and if bored we look at a FL.
But still it sounds ridiculous to censore some website, leave other ones much similar accessible and then you hit certain areas and you see live in real what ISG depicts! .
Is anyone interested in going to the Four Seasons Sunday Brunch on Sunday 8th April?
[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/ShowUserReviews-g293916-d1049863-r115368936-Madison_Four_Seasons_Hotel-Bangkok.html[/url]
Is there anyplace I can watch baseball in Bangkok?
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1265478]Is there anyplace I can watch baseball in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Home Run Bar & Grill. Sukhumvit Soi 31
[QUOTE=Franco Cozzo; 1264034]Is anyone interested in going to the Four Seasons Sunday Brunch on Sunday 8th April?
[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/ShowUserReviews-g293916-d1049863-r115368936-Madison_Four_Seasons_Hotel-Bangkok.html[/url][/QUOTE]Difficult choice: either one LT from an agogo or one Sunday brunch.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1265478]Is there anyplace I can watch baseball in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]If you've got an iTouch, iPhone or even better an iPad, subscribe to MLB 12. You can either listen to broadcasts or for $14. 00 one time shot, watch games for the entire season. You might need a VPN to mask Thailand IP. I think there is a more expensive subscription for the computer.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1263858]Censorship, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I probably should have spoken to the Admiral Premier Manager. I am a annual guest. What the fuck![/QUOTE]The decision may not reside with the Hotel, might be their chosen internet provider has decided for all. Anyway use internet teathering on your mobile device works okay
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1265478]Is there anyplace I can watch baseball in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Those hotels who offer True Moves TV packages have a sports channel where at least once or twice a week you can warch baseball live on TV