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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...
No way. Girls love older men because of their low sex drive. My regulars tell me they love old guys because they cannot boom boom long time and only can 1 time.
...[/QUOTE]Mick Licker,
What do you think - should we meet this bestard again at the Lodge, extract his balls and give them to the ducks :) ?
Giotto
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]You didn't say what time you arrive on 13th.
Ring places before 14th to check about take out on 14th due to many closures on 14/15/16.
Do Soi Cowboy and/or Nataree on 13th.
Try to do Eden and Tulip takeouts after that would be my approach. Try to pick girls highly recommended in the MP thread with a thread search for Eden and also for Tulip.
Consider Giotto's Lodge Sports Bar or girls on Sukhumvit road.
Map with phone numbers:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&ll=13.741219,100.56138&spn=0.058112,0.075102&z=14[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I am thinking about the same thing.
I will be arriving Bangkok on 13th around noon time, so I will probably pop by Eden and talk to Bruce about takeout. I have searched the thread for girl recommendation already. Looks like there is no one girl that really pop up. You have any suggestion?
On 13th itself, I will probably stop by Nataree, and if up for it, Tulip as well.
Now, I just need to figure out what to do on 13th day time.
Went to Beer Garden last night, only a couple of lookers I thought. Then hung around the beer bars on nana and once again encountered girls who must be free lancers claiming that there is a 600 baht bar fine.
Chatted with a lovely 22 year old miaow at the car park entrance, she wanted 1000 short time which may have been worth it.
Anyway, I had bought coals from Cambodia and couldn't indulge.
But I will be back in a few days and well see what pops up.
[quote=giotto]mick licker,
what do you think - should we meet this bestard again at the lodge, extract his balls and give them to the ducks :) ?
giotto[/quote]
well i thought only the ladies were into feeding the ducks.
i do feel sorry for giotto though whose mrs tries to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] him many times per day and no doubt complains that she doesn't get enough :) i have never a had women with such sex drive on a long term basis (only for duration of a tulip booking), so i can't possibly know what its like.
i don't have low sex desire, its more like the inability to shoot umpteen times in a 2 hour period like the young ones.
but i usually have to boom boom long time before coming.
so really, a girl compatible with me should be slow to get there too, or very happy to come several times.
girls like me because i am willing to take two or three girls to spread the workload so they don't have to boom boom such a long time.
usually i try to do 4 to 5 girls in first 24 hours in thailand and drop back to sex only twice a day after that while in mongering mode. its not many days in los with no sex at all (usually happens when with a gf but its her period).
low sex drive sets in only when faced with a very ugly (ordinary) lineup and this happened to me one day on this last trip. nic will know where. not ll of course!
all the girls seem to tell me they like older guys too! but they politely usually give me different reasons. if they told me "less work on the bed" i would happy to prove them wrong!
normally the reason is: older men aren't so full of themselves, treat the girl with more respect, and of course pay better.
many girls who don't want to do lt are persuadable if the money is right. so its sometimes an economic decision.
on the other hand some won't do it regardless of the money, so in that case, it means they have a family that must be returned to each night.
[QUOTE=Beagleface]Anyone comment on the standard LT situation please? 4 hours? 6? Number of boom booms? For what its worth, I think you get better value from SW than massage parlors. If and when I return, I won't do any MPs but will go for LT and SW's.
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I've never taken a girl long time, of course (who wants to be around one that long?), but it should certainly be a lot longer than 4-6 hours, particularly at the disturbing rates you are talking about. It is considered to be 'overnight', so something like 12 hours is reasonable. I don't think there is any set limit on the number of inseminations, but I suppose that would depend somewhat on if you are a 'sixty minute man' or something less. Even for hour-long boom-booms an overnight priced at 2,000 baht should include several automatically - that is a lot of money.
If a girl asked, as NicFrenchy reports, a certain rate for every two hours or allows only a certain number of ejaculations per two hour period, I would definitely advise ending negotiations with that girl and moving on. I appreciate the benefits of a clear understanding but two many rules imposed by someone who is just selling pussy is unreasonable and a turnoff.
Keep in mind the way it is supposed to work here is she feels grateful and wais when you give her the appropriate amount after she has [b]fully pleased you[/b], not that you have to beg her for services/time like back home. Even in Bangkok, even in 2008, there is no need to put up with so much nonsense - happily the economy is getting worse and we are being put, however temporarily, back in a position of some power.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Even in Bangkok, even in 2008, there is no need to put up with so much nonsense - happily the economy is getting worse and we are being put, however temporarily, back in a position of some power.[/QUOTE]
With the poor world economy and lowering of tourism to LOS you should be happy as I expect locals are getting better value or better service for prices paid.
However... in typical form I have found that the girls who are working the tourist areas are upping their price and "Joe the visitor" is paying it.
I wish every visitor had to read this forum or a post on pricing before they go as the numbers I'm hearing is crazy. And I spend generously as it is.
But even I'm shocked by what I am hearing. I don't mind paying a fee then adding on top for good service but the figures I've been first offered since the beginning of the year and now are just going up and up.
I'm back in town in a few more days and my mate told me about a girl who wanted 6,000 from soi cowboy last weekend and he rightly so laughed in her face and she quickly came straight down. But there is a reason she is asking so high.. because some idiots are paying it or considering it.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Mick Licker,
What do you think - should we meet this bestard again at the Lodge, extract his balls and give them to the ducks :) ?
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Noooooo... don't shoot the messenger! LOL
[quote=mick licker]...
i do feel sorry for giotto though whose mrs tries to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] him many times per day and no doubt complains that she doesn't get enough :) i have never a had women with such sex drive on a long term basis (only for duration of a tulip booking), so i can't possibly know what its like.
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[/quote]mick licker,
thanks for feeling sorry for me. i really suffer a lot :) .
giotto
Bangkok story
Departure
I made plans to visit Bangkok for pleasure with my three friends. Thier names were saeed, ali, and khalid. Our age group is 33 to 36 years old. We are very close friends and share our sex experience with eachother. They have not visited Bangkok before. But they had heard stories from me, as I have visited Thailand many times. We got visas from thai consulate easily, in two days. And booked our seats on thai airways. Our flight time was 12:30 am in the midnight. It was around 6-7 hours all night flight. We left home around 8 pm and reached airport 3 hours before our flight. We checked in our baggage and got our boarding pass. We asked for seats at the last row in aircraft. After clearing our passports from immigration, we went to airport bar for a drink. There we wished for our pleasure trip and for Bangkok girls, we were going to have fun with. We made some shopping at dutyfree shop for scotch whisky black label. Everyone bought two bottles each. After that we went to the aircraft. The flight took off on right time. After take off, we were served drinks and food. The thai airhostess were wearing sexy dress, and when they walk through we can see their naked legs. Thai airways offered good service. We watched movie and slept after having lot of beers and food. And had sweet and sexy dreams for coming days (nights).
Arrival
Our flight arrived early in the morning and we cleared immigration and customs very swiftly. And came out of airport and went to taxi area, to go to the hotel. It was 8 am local time in morning. We had already made booking for grace hotel on internet. We booked four rooms linked with each other, so we can move easily to eachother rooms. The weather was hot in Bangkok. We hired a van from taxi booth. It had aircon and mini fridge. It was enough big for ten passengers. They charged 600 bath to the hotel. The taxi fare was 300 bath, but our luggage could not fixed with us in one taxi. The van driver presented us perfumed cold towel. And offered us beer from the fridge. It was complimentry and included in fare. We had early morning beer. The van driver was very friendly. He talked with us about thai girls. And offered us to take to Pattaya. We had plans to go there, so we got his mobile number. There was not much traffic on roads in morning time. And van driver used expressway. We reached the hotel in 20 minutes.
After check in hotel, we went straight to the rooms. Our rooms were booked in new building. We paid 1200 bath for room rent for one night including all taxes. The hotel offered us special price because we booked four rooms for a week. The rooms were big and have nice setting. There was 25" flat tv and dvd player in the room. There was one king size double and one single bed in each room. The side table was fitted with tv remote, music radio and alarm clock. The mini-bar fridge was fitted under the tv table. The room has two sofas and one small dining table near window. The room was fitted with mirrors on two sides and on the cieling. So you can see yourself when fucking thai chickens. The bathroom was fitted with bath tub enough for two and shower. A small tray was filled with shampoo, bath gel, razor kit, and mini toothbrush pack and perfumed soaps. All the rooms were on road side and near swimming pool. I had hot water shower. I asked room service to take every thing from the mini bar. Always, I buy drinks and food from supermarket near hotel, because it is cheaper than hotel prices.
The security of grace hotel is very good. When we take girls into our rooms, the secuirty guards take id from girl, and keep it with him. The security desk is near lifts. Any girl can not go to the room without security check. When girl leave in morning, the secuirty guard phone in the room and asked about evrything is ok. When we say yes, the secuirty give back her id. And more, each floor has a room service counter near lifts. We do not need to phone room maid to clean the room. We can get towels, extra pillows and water and other things from them. Even sometime, you can have condoms and porno dvd. Two ladies are at service counter 24 hours.
We all friends were tired from night flight, so we deiceded that we take rest until afternoon. I took hot water shower and slept. My friends made me wake up around 3 pm. I had bathed and changed my clothes.
I had visited Bangkok many times so my friends made me leader of our group. We went outside to move around the hotel area. And had our late lunch in arabic restaurant. After lunch, we went to foodland supermarket to buy drinks and other things. The foodland supermarket was near to the hotel and opened 24 hours. We bought beers and chocolates, snacks, fruits, milk, mouth wash (listrene) and other items. And we came back to the hotel. We all gathered in my room and made plans for our first night in Bangkok. We decided that we would not sleep alone but with a pretty girl every night. And would share our ideas, and experience with eachother, next morning. After this, we went to the rooms to take rest. It was 5 pm. We made plans to go out for pussies around 10 pm.
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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I'm back in town in a few more days and my mate told me about a girl who wanted 6,000 from soi cowboy last weekend and he rightly so laughed in her face and she quickly came straight down. But there is a reason she is asking so high.. because some idiots are paying it or considering it.[/QUOTE]Wasn't it ever thus? I spent 12 hours recently on a flight to the UK with an Indian gentleman who proudly told me how he had two girls in his room for a 2-hour massage, and managed to bargain them down from 10,000Bht to 9,000Bht. I complimented him on his finely-honed negotiating skills (he had an MBA)... But sooner or later many girls will meet someone who offers them outrageous sums, and that of course becomes their starting price. Doesn't mean you shouldn't negotiate, and you'll always get a better price.
My current friend happily tells me what some of her other customers pay, vastly more than me (and I am generous), but I always pay what we originally agreed. I just mentally thank them for subsidising her in my absence.
[QUOTE=Opebo]...
Keep in mind the way it is supposed to work here is she feels grateful and wais when you give her the appropriate amount after she has [b]fully pleased you[/b], not that you have to beg her for services/time like back home. ....[/QUOTE]
Could any girl truelly be grateful to Opebo with his attitude ? :confused:
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Wasn't it ever thus? I spent 12 hours recently on a flight to the UK with an Indian gentleman who proudly told me how he had two girls in his room for a 2-hour massage, and managed to bargain them down from 10,000Bht to 9,000Bht. I complimented him on his finely-honed negotiating skills (he had an MBA)... But sooner or later many girls will meet someone who offers them outrageous sums, and that of course becomes their starting price. Doesn't mean you shouldn't negotiate, and you'll always get a better price.
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It's mind-blowing how some men grossly over pay these girls. If the guys only knew how well used and abused these girls were, I'm sure they'd stop paying johnny walker blue prices for a bottle of red, so to speak.
Anyone have good recomendation for pick up Young Thai gals in BKK city?
How much is the damage per night?
[QUOTE=Beagleface]Many girls told me ST OK but no LT--is this because I weigh 240 pounds and am 47 years old? [/QUOTE]Often, it's just because they (girls who don't stay LT) have a Thai boyfriend waiting them at "home".
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]For LT, I think you can get away with 2,000 for all night however, I have heard lately from a friend that some girls charge by the hour: 1,000 for every 2 hours adn you get 1 pop for every 2 hours.
Normally the minimum is 2 pops (1 in the night, 1 in the morning).
:D[/QUOTE]1 in PM 1 in AM is not enough! I had visions of boom boom all nite and 1 in the morning--I thought thats what LT meant. But 1000 every 2 hours aint so bad either. Yeah, I'd take that. I'm learning, thanks NicFrenchy.
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Wasn't it ever thus? I spent 12 hours recently on a flight to the UK with an Indian gentleman who proudly told me how he had two girls in his room for a 2-hour massage, and managed to bargain them down from 10,000Bht to 9,000Bht. I complimented him on his finely-honed negotiating skills (he had an MBA)... But sooner or later many girls will meet someone who offers them outrageous sums, and that of course becomes their starting price. Doesn't mean you shouldn't negotiate, and you'll always get a better price.
My current friend happily tells me what some of her other customers pay, vastly more than me (and I am generous), but I always pay what we originally agreed. I just mentally thank them for subsidising her in my absence.[/QUOTE]Uk prices are: 80 pounds (4-5000 baht) for not very pretty girl, covered BJ. Some of the better escorts can go for 200 to 400 pounds--1 hour, sometimes no CIM even at that price. Just saw on web site porn star Angel Dark asking for 350 pounds/hour. FKK clubs are 50 to 75 euros just to walk thru the door, then 50 Euros for 30 minutes, another 50 Euro CIM. As long as the girl is very pretty, I have no problem with 4000 LT, but thats got to include BBBJ or no deal. Prices are relative. Think those who live in BKK may not realize how lucky they are. Vast majority of BKK girls that I saw at least not worth 4000 or even 2000. But the special ones are, to me anyway.
[QUOTE=Papae Noel] First of all, this is my first post here on the forum. Greetings to all. I've read the reports over the last couple of years, but tonight, your reporting of the massage parlor for him and her sort of intrigues me. Perhaps your gal friend was doing all of the instructions to the taxi, but if you remember anything at all about the name address it would be appreciated immensely. What was the cost?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I don;t recall the name or know the address but as I've already responded it was off of Wireless going towards Silom.
Cost including 2 tips came to about 1200.
Thanks Iseeu, That helps just having the streets and general direction.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Noooooo... don't shoot the messenger! LOL[/QUOTE]
The girls seem to be telling different things to the Young and Old guys, so I think its just "sucking up".
But in the end they like Old guys better than Young guys, for P4P, whatever the reason.
So its bad luck for the young ones unless she has the hots for you.
As for Giotto, I am not sure that it matters that he is so grumpy and aloof, as to whether the girls will like him ;)
One girl recently at first thought I was grumpy or aloof, but later changed her mind. A good fucking session makes all the difference.
[QUOTE=Beagleface]Uk prices are: ...FKK clubs are ...Think those who live in BKK may not realize how lucky they are...[/QUOTE]
The prices in UK or Europe are irrelevant as the girls are not an easily transportable good due to legal/immigration issues. Though you have a point in that prices back home are relevant to the pussy whipped mentality of men coming from the West, causing them to be pathetically grateful and thus overspending.
[QUOTE=Goyave]Often, it's just because they (girls who don't stay LT) have a Thai boyfriend waiting them at "home".[/QUOTE]
No, normal Thai men would absolutely not have a prostitute girlfriend, particularly one that stoops to have sex with foreigners. If a prostitute has a 'boyfriend', he's just a pimp, and thus will have no problem with whatever activity makes money for him. Its just that for many girls long time is less profitable than doing many short times (and in any case is enormously more unpleasant).
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]But in the end they like Old guys better than Young guys, for P4P, whatever the reason.
So its bad luck for the young ones unless she has the hots for you.
As for Giotto, I am not sure that it matters that he is so grumpy and aloof, as to whether the girls will like him ;)
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I would doubt that. Of course the girls value finacial stability, but if they have that than they prefer young guys.
I am now in Pattaya and I met alot of freelancer. I prefer that kind of girls, because they are more independent from the Bar working times and also no Barfine needed.
Those girls I find usually in Marine or Insomnia Disco. There are some stunning girls to find. I know from them that they not really need to work, since they have usually one or even some sponsor in Europe, Australia or the US. They send them every months some hundred or even more Dollar and with that they can have a good life. Nevertheless for them it's just boring to stay at home and so the go to the clubs, for p4p. Though those girls prefer young guys. Some of them just ignore the approach from older guys.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]The girls seem to be telling different things to the Young and Old guys, so I think its just "sucking up".
But in the end they like Old guys better than Young guys, for P4P, whatever the reason.
So its bad luck for the young ones unless she has the hots for you.[/QUOTE]
I am under no illusion: P4P is a business and even though they are regulars of mine, they are still here to stroke my ego as much (if not more) as my dick. I am not going to fall in love as this is also pure sex on my part and they know it.
One massage girl was very jealous about the fact that I do not hide my having a few giks. You could see the disdain in her eyes and when I asked her why she cared? that I was only a customer, she said I was not only a customer and that she really loved me and she want to be my girlfriend. I was shocked as she was in tears.
Thank god it was the end of the session and needless to say I have not been back to see her. Thai girls are crazy and I feared she would hurt my dick thinking "If I am not going to have you, no one else will?". Better safe than Sorry.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Thai girls are crazy[/QUOTE]
So true...
[QUOTE=Beagleface]1 in PM 1 in AM is not enough! I had visions of boom boom all nite and 1 in the morning--I thought thats what LT meant. But 1000 every 2 hours aint so bad either. Yeah, I'd take that. I'm learning, thanks NicFrenchy.[/QUOTE]
I suggest you try takeout from EDEN: 3,000thb from 10pm to 6am
(believe me, the girl will not allow you to sleep... at all)
Takeout from Tulip, Annies or SOL will give you similar results: No disappointments.
These 4 places are, in my eyes, the top service wise: Customer Satisfaction is guaranteed. The Mamasans/Papasans are very understanding, always open to criticism and the girls know how to fuck your brains out.
I am not a fan of Eden because the Duos are way too hardcore for my taste but takeout is fun as you get only 1 girl and she brings a lot of toys with her for a night of fun.
The fun was started
I slept for five hours and woke up at 9:30 pm. I called my friends and asked them to get ready to go out. I took cold water shower and changed my clothes. We gathered in my room around 10 pm and had some scotch whisky before going out. We left hotel and went to nana plaza. Nana plaza was within 10 minutes walking distance from our hotel. This area was three storey you type building with open air bars in the center. There are lot of small bars, gogo dancing club and nude shows, around three side of the building. First of all we had some beer in the open air bar. And went upstairs to watch sex show. I had information for nana plaza on internet and visited the place on my last visit. We all went to a place called darlings. It was gogo dance and nude show bar. We paid entrance fee 200 baht each with one drink free. The bar was not full and we got table near stage. The girls were dancing, wearing only underwear and no bikini, but free boobs. We were served our drinks. It was small bottle beer cost 40 baht at supermarket. We stayed there for 30 minutes. And went to another gogo bar. Its name was chicks bottom. We paid 200 baths entry fee here, also. We went inside and ordered for beer. The waiteress, who served us, was very friendly. She gave smile to evryone. But her face beauty was little less than average, 5 out of 10. She was wearing very thin bra, we could see brown nipples of her big (36 inches size) boobs. The waiteress asked if we liked to have some girls to sit with us from dancing floor. We said ok. Then she asked us, which girls we liked to come. We looked at the floor. The girls were dancing topless (wearing no bra). The girls had number fixed on thier underwears. We told waiteress for three girls and told girls numbers. She went to the floor and pointed us to the girls. The girls came to our table and sat with us. We said Hello, to the girls. We offered them some drinks. And start talking with them. My friend ali started to rub one girls boobs. To reply ali’s action, the girl put her hands on his leg and moved slowly. Then she opened his pant zip and put her hand in his underwear. She took out his cock and kissed it. We were watching ali and smiling. The other girls kissed us deep. The girl with ali was giving massage (handjob) to his cock while ali was sucking her boobs and we were watching them. When ali was coming to blow, the girl put her mouth on top of his cock and have cum in her mouth. After that she cleaned her mouth with tissues. Other people were not watching us, because we were sitting in the corner and dark area. I put my finger in pussy of one girl and moved in and out. We kissed and tongued each other. We had good time there. Ali liked the girl and asked her to come with him and stay for full night. The girl called gogo bar manager (papasan) and we paid him 500 baht as barfine and 1500 baht for one night, for the girl. She went inside and changed her dress and came with us. She was wearing red jeans and black t-shirt. She was looking sexy with this dress. Her name was tan and she was 28 years old. We asked tan to take us to a place where we could find girls for three of us. She requested that she was hungry and wanted to eat first. Ali bought sandwhich for her from corner store 7-11. Than, tan suggestted to go a disco to find girls. We went to a disco in a taxi. We hardly fixed in taxi. The taxi was not for five people. Tan sat on ali laps. It was 15 minutes drive to disco named woodland. The entry fee was 250 bath with free 2 small bottle beer. We went inside and tan helped us to find some girls, looking nice and good body shape. She asked them to spend the night with us. They were agreed. We stayed there for 30 minutes. We were feeling hungry. We came out of disco and had some very light seafood in a thai street restaurant. And came back to our hotel in two taxis. My friend, khalid asked to gather for a few minutes and had some drinks in his room, before going to bed. We had some scotch in his room. It was nice that the girl with me could drink whisky. Most of thai girls do not drink whisky. After that I and my girl left his room and went to my room.
Coming soon part 3
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Hi Master 69,
I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...
[red][u]Would you please refrain from WRITING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS![/u][/red]
It's difficult to read and it's time consuming to fix.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]
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[QUOTE=Master 69]Coming soon part 3
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God help us... make sure you make Paragraphs in your Part 3 because your posts are unreadable. Is it that hard to follow the very basics of punctuation and writing?
[QUOTE=Master 69] It was nice that the girl with me could drink whisky. Most of thai girls do not drink whisky. [/QUOTE]
Most thai girls who work in a bar or go with customers will not drink whiskey?? I must be going to the wrong bars. For some reason I keep getting girls who want lady drinks :)
You actually had some information in your post but it was very hard to read, might you be able to clean it up a little for the next time?
@Master69, nice to read a report from an Arab writer. It's good to see the p4p action from your point of view.
What I don't understand is that you have to pay entrance fee for a gogo Bar? Its really unusual. But, there are most likely to different standards. In Pattayas Toni Entertainment Complex I do not pay entrance fee, I just walk through and nobody bother to ask me to pay entrance fee. But, the Indian and Arab guys pay the entrance fee.
Which one is SOL? I didn't do eden but: Tulip, not so pretty girls--anyway, the 1-2 I wanted at first were both busy, maybe they were all right? Hard to tell from the pictures. The one I got was no higher than a 7, probably a 6. Annie's--really, really low quality. I saw one that was OK, went with her and it was nothing special. My best MP experiences came from Nataree--2x CIM with one pretty gal (though had stretch marks, had nice face).
What I am looking for is to get a pretty girl for probably 2 nite sessions and one AM. I got this from one 'freelancer' but took me threatening to throw her out of room and give her only 1000 baht. But the others I had didn't really want to provide more than one boom boom. I was very disappointed and expected more. Can't decide whether or not to go back to BKK. Very tempting, but would definitely go back if I knew I could get good LT from pretty girlie.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I suggest you try takeout from EDEN: 3,000thb from 10pm to 6am
(believe me, the girl will not allow you to sleep... at all)
Takeout from Tulip, Annies or SOL will give you similar results: No disappointments.
These 4 places are, in my eyes, the top service wise: Customer Satisfaction is guaranteed. The Mamasans/Papasans are very understanding, always open to criticism and the girls know how to fuck your brains out.
I am not a fan of Eden because the Duos are way too hardcore for my taste but takeout is fun as you get only 1 girl and she brings a lot of toys with her for a night of fun.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Master 69] Most of thai girls do not drink whisky. After that I and my girl left his room and went to my room.
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Maybe most Thai girls are not used to drinking strong whiskey. But in most Thai clubs everyone is drinking JW Black or Chivas mixed very weak with with soda or coke/pepsi.
So it would be true to say that most Thai girls do drink whiskey, even if rather weak.
In many gogo bars the lady drink is not a whiskey drink.
I bet that was a good report you wrote.
But I didn't read it because it is just one huge paragraph.
I won't read those reports no matter how good they are.
My old eyes can't focus long enough to get me through it.
Please, next time make your post easier to read.
And, why don't you edit your last post to make it readable?
We will all appreciate it.
Thanks,
Daddy
I had 5 minutes spare and there were some interesting points in the story (not least LT with go-go dancer for 1500 Bht).
Master 69, perhaps next time you could throw in a little punctuation... ;-)
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I slept for five hours and woke up at 9:30 pm. I called my friends and asked them to get ready to go out. I took cold water shower and changed my clothes. We gathered in my room around 10 pm and had some Scotch whisky before going out. We left hotel and went to Nana Plaza.
Nana Plaza was within 10 minutes walking distance from our hotel. This area was three storey U-type building with open air bars in the centre. There are lot of small bars, go-go dancing club and nude shows, around three side of the building.
First of all we had some beer in the open air bar. And went upstairs to watch sex show. I had information for Nana plaza on internet and visited the place on my last visit. We all went to a place called Darlings. It was go-go dance and nude show bar. We paid entrance fee 200 baht each with one drink free. The bar was not full and we got table near stage. The girls were dancing, wearing only underwear and no bikini, but free boobs. We were served our drinks. It was small bottle beer cost 40 Baht at supermarket. We stayed there for 30 minutes. And went to another go-go bar. Its name was Chick’s Bottom. We paid 200 Baht entry fee here, also. We went inside and ordered for beer.
The waitress, who served us, was very friendly. She gave smile to everyone. But her face beauty was little less than average, 5 out of 10. She was wearing very thin bra, we could see brown nipples of her big (36 inches size) boobs. The waitress asked if we liked to have some girls to sit with us from dancing floor. We said OK. Then she asked us, which girls we liked to come. We looked at the floor. The girls were dancing topless (wearing no bra). The girls had number fixed on their underwear. We told waitress for three girls and told girls’ numbers. She went to the floor and pointed us to the girls.
The girls came to our table and sat with us. We said ‘Hello’ to the girls. We offered them some drinks. And start talking with them. My friend Ali started to rub one girl’s boobs. To reply Ali’s action, the girl put her hands on his leg and moved slowly. Then she opened his pant zip and put her hand in his underwear. She took out his cock and kissed it. We were watching Ali and smiling. The other girls kissed us deep. The girl with Ali was giving massage (hand job) to his cock while Ali was sucking her boobs and we were watching them. When Ali was coming to blow, the girl put her mouth on top of his cock and has cum in her mouth. After that she cleaned her mouth with tissues.
Other people were not watching us, because we were sitting in the corner and dark area. I put my finger in pussy of one girl and moved in and out. We kissed and tongued each other. We had good time there.
Ali liked the girl and asked her to come with him and stay for full night. The girl called go-go bar manager (papasan) and we paid him 500 Baht as barfine and 1500 Baht for one night, for the girl. She went inside and changed her dress and came with us. She was wearing red jeans and black t-shirt. She was looking sexy with this dress. Her name was Tan and she was 28 years old.
We asked Tan to take us to a place where we could find girls for three of us. She requested that she was hungry and wanted to eat first. Ali bought sandwich for her from corner store 7-11. Than, Tan suggested we go a disco to find girls. We went to a disco in a taxi. We hardly fitted in taxi. The taxi was not for five people. Tan sat on Ali’s lap. It was 15 minutes drive to disco named Woodland. The entry fee was 250 Baht with free 2 small bottle beer. We went inside and Tan helped us to find some girls, looking nice and good body shape. She asked them to spend the night with us. They were agreed. We stayed there for 30 minutes. We were feeling hungry.
We came out of disco and had some very light seafood in a Thai street restaurant. And came back to our hotel in two taxis. My friend, Khalid asked to gather for a few minutes and had some drinks in his room, before going to bed. We had some scotch in his room. It was nice that the girl with me could drink whisky. Most of Thai girls do not drink whisky. After that I and my girl left his room and went to my room.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]I bet that was a good report you wrote.
But I didn't read it because it is just one huge paragraph.
I won't read those reports no matter how good they are.
My old eyes can't focus long enough to get me through it.
Please, next time make your post easier to read.
And, why don't you edit your last post to make it readable?
We will all appreciate it.
Thanks,
Daddy[/QUOTE]
It can be easier if you compress the width of your viewing window so you only get a few words per line. Mouse1 has done a good job of fixing it up though.
[QUOTE=Opebo]No, normal Thai men would absolutely not have a prostitute girlfriend, particularly one that stoops to have sex with foreigners. If a prostitute has a 'boyfriend', he's just a pimp, and thus will have no problem with whatever activity makes money for him.[/QUOTE]
100% true.....I never understand why some guys get upset when they see their "date"......get off a Thai guy's motor bike or they see the Thai guy with her at some point. This guy is a common pimp living off of her earnings....he is probably banging her without a condom too.....so if the guy is a drug addict.....more trouble!
Some of the girls do have boyfriends and husbands that live in their village, or another city. They have the guy bullshitted into believing that they are working in a restaurant in BKK or something like that....maybe the guy and the family know the truth...maybe not.....but the money flow is nice for the family....as is the new pickup truck.
I even knew of some mental case TG working in Heaven Body Massage who was living with her pimp/drug buddy.....and when she had some extra cash, fucking, bareback a gay guy from a karoke club.......and she was paying the karoke guy!! (and Opebo...these are the girls you are barebacking!!)
Thailand can be a real study in strange behavior....but pimps and prostitutes are universal.
A Thai guy with a real job would not be seen dead with a Thai sex worker.....aside from a quick screw behind a door.....he is done with her after ejaculation.
[QUOTE=Master 69] We decided that we would not sleep alone but with a pretty girl every night. And would share our ideas, and experience with eachother, next morning. After this, we went to the rooms to take rest. It was 5 pm. We made plans to go out for pussies around 10 pm.[/QUOTE]
I see the beginning of a Middle East peace plan coming here. These are the universal ideas for peace.....cheap booze and cheap pussy for all.
[QUOTE=Opebo] Even in Bangkok, even in 2008, there is no need to put up with so much nonsense - happily the economy is getting worse and we are being put, however temporarily, back in a position of some power.[/QUOTE]
Can anyone currently in BKK confirm this. I have heard everything is the same....prices about the same.
In Rayong, where I live, prices are still the same as say a year ago, for example. I don't see any reduction at the few bars and massage places here.
[QUOTE=Opebo]No, normal Thai men would absolutely not have a prostitute girlfriend, particularly one that stoops to have sex with foreigners. If a prostitute has a 'boyfriend', he's just a pimp, and thus will have no problem with whatever activity makes money for him. Its just that for many girls long time is less profitable than doing many short times (and in any case is enormously more unpleasant).[/QUOTE]I know several girls (for instance in Bangkok and Pattaya) that won't do LT because they have a Thai boyfriend. Maybe the guy is also their pimp (very likely), but it's often a more complex situation than that.
I've heard phone conversations in Thai and several girls even admitted that the Thai man on the phone was not their brother or their cousin (as they may say at the beginning before they realized that this Farang can understand more of their dialect than they initially thought) but actually their boyfriend (or husband). Of course, the guy knows they are with a "customer". Sure, he may don't care much about it provided that their girl / girlfriend / wife earns enough money... but it's sometimes the girl herself who may want to spend the night with her pimp / boyfriend / husband. Believe it or not, they usually love their แฟน ("faen" = "significant other") and many girls often think that they have more fun with them (for instance, just because they appreciate the same things: movies / music / food, understand the same jokes, etc.).
Moreover, some girls even have young children staying at their place and don't want to spend the night elsewhere than in their own room / apartment and then, they can spend some time with them (I know at least one freelancer in Bangkok who is a young mother and won't do LT because nobody can take care of her child during nighttime).
But it's true that for many girls, one LT is just less profitable than several ST sessions and that's probably the most frequent reason. I just pointed out another valid one (among many others).
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]
A Thai guy with a real job would not be seen dead with a Thai sex worker.....aside from a quick screw behind a door.....he is done with her after ejaculation.[/QUOTE]
This is something a lot of farang can learn from thai guys.
It blows my mind when I see farangs parading their sex workers around, taking them shopping to the movies and to go eating.
Do you really want to hang out with a dirty ***** like she is your girlfriend?
"Hit and run" all day long!
1St of all, thanks to Thailand lovers. And specialy to Mouse1 for re-writing my report. My this report is around 8 years old. This was my only visit with my friends. My other visits was alone. Thats why 1500 was lt for gogo dancers.
My 1st visit was in 1985. And I was inlove with Thailand and I say East or West, Thailand is best. Although I had visted many place in fareast. But I am treated as thier son-in law. I had visted Thailand many times but I feel its my 1st visit. Wow man. At that time there was no meter taxis and you have to bargain both, ladies and taxis. Thailand has changed but not the fun.
Regarding thai ladies drinking whisky, mostly they drink ladies drink or juices in bar. It cost you and money goes to gogo bars owners. But freelancers drink beer or hard drinks in discos. But I like women who drink whisky, because it make them naughty and more sexy, and they are not shy.
I need your help that how can I make my story in small letters. Because I have typed it in capital letter. And I am not computeriesed man.
Again thanks to Mouse1.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]
Do you really want to hang out with a dirty ***** like she is your girlfriend?
"Hit and run" all day long![/QUOTE]
Amjerck,
Believe it or not, some sex workers are desperate to get a real boyfriend and help them get out of having put up with ugly asshole customers. Some guys want to help them get out too.
Why hang out with sex workers at all? Not every guy is hiring a girl's time purely for sex.
We cannot sell sex for several times our normal salary. If we could, we probably would too!
Being a great sex-worker is a great profession!
Just a quick question for the seasoned mongers of both LOS & PI.
I will be in HKG with the opportunity to visit either BKK or Manila for 3-4 days next week.
I have been to LOS 3 times but never to Manila..... I however have met and played with many PI ladies in HKG.
So the question is..should I just go to BKK or should I venture to Manila and see it first hand. If it makes any difference..I will be travelling alone and without my wingman. Should I make a recon mission? Any MUST see/do in PI for such a short period of time?
Any pros/cons that make 1 better than the other. It seems from RTFF and my LOS experience that the prices are about the same for room/board and companionship. So I am looking for your esteemed opinion on which you think is better and why, or if it is really just 6 of this or half a dozen of that.
Thanks in advance for any insight(s) you can give me.
CT
It comes back to the old old question. What women in the world do not have sex for the gain of money, gain of power, gain of influence or other material benefits?
How do you define "payment for sex"?
I know many girls who will not fuck for free, but if you take them out for a meal, drinks, moves then you can fuck them. So is this defined as prostitution, it certainly should be, however both the man and the girl like to call this "normal dating" and so allow themselves to avoid being labeled a customer and a prostitute.
If you are intelligent enough to look at sex and payment for, in a clear and concise way, and apply the simple equation that any sex, which involves giving something away which is of material gain to the girl, be it food, drinks, club entrance fee's, jewelery etc. Then this is an act of payment for sex, you start to understand the world in a clear and concise way.
I often challenge the brain dead men who say "I never pay for sex" to try the following:
Never buy your wife or girlfriend anything, never treat her to anything, never give her anything, never allow her access to your money, give her and pay for her absolutely nothing. And then see if she still wants to have regular sex with you.
Men are often so dumb they allow women to "charge for sex" in many ways, and this "transaction" is classed as "normal life".
Quite hilarious how men are often so stupid where it comes to their penis and how women have learned to use their brain to fuck men, whilst men still fuck them only with their penis.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]This is something a lot of farang can learn from thai guys.
It blows my mind when I see farangs parading their sex workers around, taking them shopping to the movies and to go eating.
Do you really want to hang out with a dirty ***** like she is your girlfriend?
"Hit and run" all day long![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Do you really want to hang out with a dirty ***** like she is your girlfriend?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I do, actually. She's fun, makes me laugh, and has some interesting stories. I treat her like a friend, and we have a respectful relationship. Just went round to her apartment this evening and she prepared dinner while I opened the beers. Can honestly say that I've had less close and less mature relationships back home.
I know that when I'm not around she's working the circuit for money, and I'm doing the same for pleasure. Not sure how that makes her a 'dirty *****', and me some sort of noble creature?
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Can anyone currently in BKK confirm this. I have heard everything is the same....prices about the same.
In Rayong, where I live, prices are still the same as say a year ago, for example. I don't see any reduction at the few bars and massage places here.[/QUOTE]
I did not mean to imply a reduction so much as that the old standards, which were beginning to slip away recently, can now be enforced again, namely 500 baht short, 1000 baht long in Pattaya, and 1000 baht (or even slightly less), 1,500-2,000 baht long time in Bangkok. I have no idea what are prices in Rayong; I cannot imagine going there with Pattaya being on the way.
If you're in BKK you probably know this, and if you're not you probably don't care, but...
Pretty much all bars are either closed or not selling beer tonight. Soi Cowboy appeared closed from the skytrain, and NEP certainly was. Strolled back towards Soi 11 and was quite surprised to see the streets very quiet as well. Only about 5-6 girls at Nana car-park. Gullivers quite quiet and either not selling alcohol or doing it surreptitiously. Assumed beergarden would be the same, but it was heaving. Standing room only. Perhaps the only place in BKK selling beer tonight?
Paused for a small after-dinner sherry, and met two young ladies who were looking for company for the evening, at a price that seemed right. Normally I find 3-somes pretty disappointing - the fantasy is better than the reality. But these ladies got the ultimate accolade of a place in my phonebook. :-)
I am not a frequent writer to this forum but do travel to Thailand at least once a year. During that time I add a report if it will add to the forum in a positive way.
I come there to have a good time and enjoy the company of the ladies. I enjoy there sence of humor and their company, and taking them to dinner. This comes along with the sex. I don't mind being seen with a lady who is working or is a freebee. Those observing me wouldn't know the difference. So I do have to disagree with those who feel they wouldn't be seen with them. Each to his own but I have enjoyed mine.
Mackin
[QUOTE=Mackin]I am not a frequent writer to this forum but do travel to Thailand at least once a year. During that time I add a report if it will add to the forum in a positive way.
I come there to have a good time and enjoy the company of the ladies. I enjoy there sence of humor and their company, and taking them to dinner. This comes along with the sex. I don't mind being seen with a lady who is working or is a freebee. Those observing me wouldn't know the difference. So I do have to disagree with those who feel they wouldn't be seen with them. Each to his own but I have enjoyed mine.
Mackin[/QUOTE]
If you think Thais or long term expats can’t tell you are with a hooker you need your head examined. It all comes down to do you care what others think.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]If you think Thais or long term expats can’t tell you are with a hooker you need your head examined. It all comes down to do you care what others think.[/QUOTE]Wow, you guys are good! So you can tell just by looking whether money has, or is about to, change hands?! I've only had one freebie, and she acted and looked just like other girls to me...
Sarcasm aside, I agree that if a fat sweaty balding aging old git like myself is hanging out with a hot nubile TG, it wasn't love at first sight on her part. (As Mrs Merton famously asked, 'What first attracted you to short, balding millionaire Paul Daniels?'). But I defy you to tell whether it is a freebie (girl playing long time looking for a husband) or a WG. Gosh, sometimes they're both in the same day!
[QUOTE=ChiefThinker]Just a quick question for the seasoned mongers of both LOS & PI.
I will be in HKG with the opportunity to visit either BKK or Manila for 3-4 days next week.
I have been to LOS 3 times but never to Manila..... I however have met and played with many PI ladies in HKG.
So the question is..should I just go to BKK or should I venture to Manila and see it first hand. If it makes any difference..I will be travelling alone and without my wingman. Should I make a recon mission? Any MUST see/do in PI for such a short period of time?
Any pros/cons that make 1 better than the other. It seems from RTFF and my LOS experience that the prices are about the same for room/board and companionship. So I am looking for your esteemed opinion on which you think is better and why, or if it is really just 6 of this or half a dozen of that.
Thanks in advance for any insight(s) you can give me.
CT[/QUOTE]I guess you have to try it yourself.
It is quite different.
Thai: Very pretty, mostly small boobs, curvy, but also no big butt, less feeling GFE
Phil: From my point of view less pretty, quite some boobs, nice butts, great GFE
BKK: Activities is more easily available during daytime as well, while MNL only has LA or shopping centers.
Stay in Malate close to LA and you will be covered.
Try and report back your experience!
Mike
[QUOTE=Mouse1] Assumed beergarden would be the same, but it was heaving. Standing room only. Perhaps the only place in BKK selling beer tonight?[/QUOTE]Saw lots of pubs with customers but the lights turned off. Hotel bars seemed to be operating normally. This gave me a false sense of how things would be outside. Now to figure out a strategy for this eve'.
[QUOTE=Michi]
Thai: very pretty, mostly small boobs, curvy, but also no big butt, less feeling GFE
Phil: from my point of view less pretty, quite some boobs, nice butts, great GFE
[/QUOTE]
I have had a Filippeana GF (speklling?) before but have never been to Philippeans.
I am suprised when you say PI girls are more GFE. I have not had difficulty finding better than GFE in Thailand. Although of course not every single Thai girl is into kissing, BBJ etc.
So what does it mean?
Is a way of saying that PI girls are happy to go bareback?
Because I have heard of guys going to Philippeans, fucking heaps of girls and claiming they never had to wear condom once. I don't condon this of course, but have heard PI girls really don't like condoms, including my ex GF who was allergic to and didn't take the pill. So I had to be very careful not to get her pregnant. She had two unplanned children already.
Her figure was a bit straight compared to my Thai GFs but have met other Filippeanas with great bodies.
Apart from a few special cases, overall I find Thais a bit better looking. PI girls vary in height a lot from very tall to very short.
LB#2
You are somewhat right. Many of the younger girls from my experience and living here now in general that the younger one's do have a boyfriend and not a pimp as you say. Many of these boyfriends are so selfish like most Thai men I know and hear of is that it's all about the money. They know they are screwing Farangs for money and working in bars but who cares as long as the money keeps coming in to support them. I know first hand a few young girls that give nearly everything they earn to support their boyfriend and then find out while they are working the Thai boyfriend is out screwing around on them. That might explain why so many girls speak poorly of Thai men and want to hook up with a Farang after they have been burned.
I have seen and been around many Thai girls that have Farang boyfriends but in the end when they are more in a setting with their own kind they drinks beer, whiskey and talk alot of sex. In the end I think if they had a equal choice they rather be 100% Thai! But as we know it's the money that's why we are the handsome man.
LBM
[QUOTE=Master 69]
Regarding thai ladies drinking whisky, mostly they drink ladies drink or juices in bar. It cost you and money goes to gogo bars owners. But freelancers drink beer or hard drinks in discos. But I like women who drink whisky, because it make them naughty and more sexy, and they are not shy.
[/QUOTE]
The Thai girls do enjoy their drinks/cocktails like kamikaze and whisky (Johnnie Walker red/black label). Just go to dance clubs in RCA & Ekkamai where you will find local young thai girls drinking their night away with their friends. The juice/cola in gogo bars is an infalted way for the bar owners to have more profit. However most regulars at Soi Cowboy will know that some of the girls/dancers there enjoy their tequila shots tremendously. I guess apart from us paying blokes. they are also trying to enjoy the moment where possible.
FD
[quote=mouse1]yeah, i do, actually. she's fun, makes me laugh, and has some interesting stories. i treat her like a friend, and we have a respectful relationship. just went round to her apartment this evening and she prepared dinner while i opened the beers. can honestly say that i've had less close and less mature relationships back home.
i know that when i'm not around she's working the circuit for money, and i'm doing the same for pleasure. not sure how that makes her a 'dirty *****', and me some sort of noble creature?[/quote]
mouse 1
i second your views and disagree with amjeck, and we should not forget that the working girls whilst out to earn a buck, does make not them less human. most of us sell ourselves in so many different ways, some pandering to the boss, pandering to customers where we work and in so many other different ways. i guess it is not fair to call them skanks and us as customers any more noble. it is a willing buyer willing seller transaction like so many things in life.
i used to see a working girl for 3 years when i was working in the middle east, she was from dalian, china and she knew her objectives very clearly ie working to earn back her passage and then saving money for her family in china and she spent time with me as and when i called her and she would also cook meals and sometimes do my laundry. i do pay her a monthly allowance which is from my puntering budget and i really enjoyed her company during weekend day time when we would have a laugh, have some nice wines anmd maybe go to the movies. the companionship is sometimes less headache than a committed relationship. each man to his own i guess but it is so wrong to degrade another person based on their profession, unless you are a drug dealer/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] whom are scums of the earth.
my 2 cents.
fd
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]If you think Thais or long term expats can’t tell you are with a hooker you need your head examined. It all comes down to do you care what others think.[/QUOTE]
Yes almost all thais can tell and most expats too.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]If you think Thais or long term expats can’t tell you are with a hooker you need your head examined. It all comes down to do you care what others think.[/QUOTE]I'd say if it's a middle-aged falang with a Thai woman half his age - which it very often is - even the tourists would spot it as a rental agreement.
This is all well can good but what are we doing tonight with the bars closed.
[QUOTE=ChiefThinker]Just a quick question for the seasoned mongers of both LOS & PI.
I will be in HKG with the opportunity to visit either BKK or Manila for 3-4 days next week.
I have been to LOS 3 times but never to Manila..... I however have met and played with many PI ladies in HKG.
So the question is..should I just go to BKK or should I venture to Manila and see it first hand. If it makes any difference..I will be travelling alone and without my wingman. Should I make a recon mission? Any MUST see/do in PI for such a short period of time?
Any pros/cons that make 1 better than the other. It seems from RTFF and my LOS experience that the prices are about the same for room/board and companionship. So I am looking for your esteemed opinion on which you think is better and why, or if it is really just 6 of this or half a dozen of that.
Thanks in advance for any insight(s) you can give me.
CT[/QUOTE]
Overall, I think the Philippines are cheaper than Thailand. Also, the women seem less reserved. I've sat in coffee shops in Robinson's Mall in the middle of the afternoon and had young attractive girls come up to me and offer their services. If I wasn't interested in them they always had a sister or friend they were willing to call.
Hello to all,
Please tell me which soapies in Bangkok are open after midnight and how much they charge.
Last year I was in Colonze and liked it there very much.
For Baht 1800 I got a very good service with catbath, BBBJ and FS from a beautyful and friendly girl.
Unfortunately they close at midnight.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]If you think Thais or long term expats can’t tell you are with a hooker you need your head examined. It all comes down to do you care what others think.[/QUOTE]
Of course they can't tell.
When old bloke is with younger woman, not officially P4P, i.e. not accepting money for sex, often there is no way to tell the difference.
O.K. some hookers are unmistakable, but not all, and some normal girls look just the same.
Some would argue that any girl with with an older guy is a hooker, but this is not technically the case.
But all girls seem to cost money in the end whether P4P or not.
There is a 43 year old Thai girl, who talks more like a Farang and lived in Australia for a long time, who has suddenly shown an interest in me and works in a printing firm. We had sex, not for money, but she dresses very hot to show off her body is still great. So has lost some of the normal Thai shyness after being OS for 15 years.
I'll bet if we went to Thailand togther, many will think she is a hooker unless she changes to dress very proper, but she probably has no clothes like that at all.
[QUOTE=ChiefThinker]Just a quick question for the seasoned mongers of both LOS & PI.
I will be in HKG with the opportunity to visit either BKK or Manila for 3-4 days next week.
I have been to LOS 3 times but never to Manila. I however have met and played with many PI ladies in HKG.
So the question is. Should I just go to BKK or should I venture to Manila and see it first hand. If it makes any difference. I will be travelling alone and without my wingman. Should I make a recon mission? Any MUST c/do in PI for such a short period of time?
Any pros/cons that make 1 better than the other. It seems from RTFF and my LOS experience that the prices are about the same for room/board and companionship. So I am looking for your esteemed opinion on which you think is better and why, or if it is really just 6 of this or half a dozen of that.
Thanks in advance for any insight (s) you can give me.
CT[/QUOTE]I've been to both BKK and Manila. BKK twice and Manila once. I do enjoy Filipinas and have had some great experiences with them. If I had the choice between going to either I would pick BKK. I guess I'm more familiar with BKK and know my way around better. I found Manila a bit cheaper and liked the fact that more people speak English there as well.
I'm sure there are good arguments for either. You might enjoy a change of scenery. Many good ISGers who can give you good info on Manila and the Philippines and share their contacts with you.
AF
[QUOTE=Pita123]This is all well can good but what are we doing tonight with the bars closed.[/QUOTE]
Have a bottle of water and a wank in your room
Nearly all the bars are closed tonight. Soi Cowboy is silent except for the remodeling being done on some of the bars. Walked down soi 22 -- there are a few bars open but they have their lights turned off. You can still get drinks in the restaurants - had a meal and a tall beer at Bourbon Street, and The Penalty Spot (near Soi 27) is open as well. You can barfine girls from the latter - some real cuties in there, but quite expensive I imagine.
As to the discussion if you can tell if a girl is a working girl or not, well, sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. I'm an expat who lives here (3 years now), and I can tell most of the time if the girl is a hooker. It's not just how she dresses - it's her body language and the way she talks. If she uses that goddamn Issaan broken English (leaving out the auxiliary verb and using one tense: ie "I boring now", "I take shower", etc.), then yeah, she might be a working girl. Sometimes it's very VERY obvious. A few months ago I was walking out of the MRT on Sukhumvit and I saw a guy that couldn't have been older than 19. He was with a girl - she had dyed red hair, long earrings, short skirt, tattoos, cleavage showing, motorbike scars, too much makeup, and, oh yeah, lots of gold. There's not a doubt in my mind that she was a bargirl.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]A few months ago I was walking out of the MRT on Sukhumvit and I saw a guy that couldn't have been older than 19. He was with a girl - she had dyed red hair, long earrings, short skirt, tattoos, cleavage showing, motorbike scars, too much makeup, and, oh yeah, lots of gold. There's not a doubt in my mind that she was a bargirl.[/QUOTE]
That could have well been me. :) Not sure about the motorbike scars though...
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Overall, I think the Philippines are cheaper than Thailand. Also, the women seem less reserved. I've sat in coffee shops in Robinson's Mall in the middle of the afternoon and had young attractive girls come up to me and offer their services. If I wasn't interested in them they always had a sister or friend they were willing to call.[/QUOTE]Agree with this one!
Never been to the Philippines but as a person who spends quite some time in Singapore and met quite some Pinays here it seems to me that they are indeed less reserved. Maybe it has to do with the language as Pinays speak English much and much better than Thais.
[QUOTE=Pita123]This is all well can good but what are we doing tonight with the bars closed.[/QUOTE]
We have all known about this for weeks, if not months. Plenty of time to stock up with beer or whatever and plenty of time to schedule girls in advance. So if you are setting in your room all alone with your cock in your hand you have no one to blame but yourself.
I used to enjoy going to the big massage places like Nararee and other places like Eden, to get what I was comming for in BKK. I’m also a big fan of the gogos but it has never been my favorite place to pick up girls. Lately I’ve had some of my better experiencese with SW and this is one of the finer.
One night I had been to Cowboy and Nana with my friend who lives in BKK and is a frequent customer in the bars. After a lot of Heinekens and waching the girls showing us their sexiest moves, we split up, and I am heading towards my hotel in Soi 33, walking down Sukhumvit, as I enjoy, I’m in a very good mood. At a table I see two Katoys trying to get my attention, but I haven't tried that thing yet and didn't want it to happen this particular night. Next to their table I see the most gourgos looking girl sitting with her friend who looks veryJapanese. A bit shy looking, youngish like 19 or so. She has big curly hair and very very nice boobs. I sit down and the katoys approach me and ask if I woukd like to go with one of them. I let them know that I’m not interrested. They ask me whether I am interrested in the beautyful girl, and I say OH YES. The girls tells me that her name is May. We quickly agree on a price 2000 ST, and jump into a cap and soon I find myself in my room at the proud Livingstone Lodge with this lovely chick. I ask her wether it is okay if I take some pictures of her. This is one of my great interrests, to take nice pictures of the girls whom I am playing with. She agrees and I take some really nice pictures of the beauty. No nude. Soon I'm in the shower with the most beautyful girl. She is not to tall, and with the cutest face and the nicest big boops that hasnt been under the influence of gravety yet. She gives head (BBBJ) and we kiss and cuttle and are having a great time. In bed we are having passionate sex (with condom naturely). She is very GF like and a bit shy all the time. Therefore I keep things in a slow and not to hardcore way. Finish up covering her tits with my cum, and we take another shower. After that we both fall asleep on the biiig bed. Later we wake up and she starts to dress. She gives me her phone number, and tells me that she realy would love meet me again.
We never did meet again since I was going home the next day. But I still see her in my dreams.
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Hi,
Sorry, why are all the bars closed, is there a holiday? And if how long dose to last? I will be in BKK in 2 weeks, and I hope everything is open etc. Thanks for a short info. Will.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]We have all known about this for weeks, if not months. Plenty of time to stock up with beer or whatever and plenty of time to schedule girls in advance. So if you are setting in your room all alone with your cock in your hand you have no one to blame but yourself.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Of course they can't tell.
When old bloke is with younger woman, not officially P4P, i.e. not accepting money for sex, often there is no way to tell the difference.
O.K. some hookers are unmistakable, but not all, and some normal girls look just the same.
Some would argue that any girl with with an older guy is a hooker, but this is not technically the case.
But all girls seem to cost money in the end whether P4P or not.
There is a 43 year old Thai girl, who talks more like a Farang and lived in Australia for a long time, who has suddenly shown an interest in me and works in a printing firm. We had sex, not for money, but she dresses very hot to show off her body is still great. So has lost some of the normal Thai shyness after being OS for 15 years.
I'll bet if we went to Thailand togther, many will think she is a hooker unless she changes to dress very proper, but she probably has no clothes like that at all.[/QUOTE]Mick,
It’s kind of out of place for me to argue with you as your tenure in Thailand is longer than mine but I respectfully disagree. I don’t live in Thailand but I do live in PI. It makes no difference in reference to the foreigner or the girl's age or her wardrobe for that matter it is all about how she carries herself. Body language etc…after all these years of visiting LOS and you still can’t tell who is friend or foe then you need to lay off the MICKS…:D
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Mick it’s kind of out of place for me to argue with you as your tenure in Thailand is longer than mine but I respectfully disagree. I don’t live in Thailand but I do live in PI. It makes no difference in reference to the foreigner or the girl's age or her wardrobe for that matter it is all about how she carries herself. Body language etc…after all these years of visiting LOS and you still can’t tell who is friend or foe then you need to lay off the MICKS…:D[/QUOTE]
So every bar girl magically has a differrent body language to every other girl?
I have enough experience to know that I (and anyone else) can pick a high percentage of girls that are hookers, but I also allow for the possibility that my guess could be wrong in some cases.
Some P4P girls are able to carry themselves well enough to be quite unsure. Some Thai P4P girls are still shy and dress very conservatively in public.
I believe even the Thais will peg some girls as probable hookers who are actually not.
In some provinces, any Thai girl seen with a Farang has the stigma of being assumed to be a hooker.
Look at Farangs in my Country with Thai wives. We must assume that a fair percentage of the wives were once in P4P but which ones. Only some of them are completely obvious.
But you can't can't argue with the sel confidence of guys who think they know everything and can never be fooled or mistaken.
Those who "can always pick em" will probably wind up with a ladyboy one day just from being too sure and not wary.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]If you think Thais or long term expats can’t tell you are with a hooker you need your head examined. It all comes down to do you care what others think.[/QUOTE]
Yep agreed, I do not care, moreover I do not care what others think either !!
IMHO 99% of all women are *****s, it is only a question of 'HOW' the money changes hands.
Cheers. FF
[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Yep agreed, I do not care, moreover I do not care what others think either !![/QUOTE]
That's why the Thai's hate Farangs so much, and who can blame them.
[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]
IMHO 99% of all women are *****s, it is only a question of 'HOW' the money changes hands.[/QUOTE]
Hey, you pay for it one way or another. It's either a straight cash transaction, dinner and drinks or a house or two. There ain't no such thing as free pussy.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
In some provinces, any Thai girl seen with a Farang has the stigma of being assumed to be a hooker.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty universal throughout Thailand and one of the things my wife hates. I had to work a long time to get her to go with me because she didn't want to be thought of as a "hooker." She has changed her ways a little and might hold my hand in public.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Look at Farangs in my Country with Thai wives. We must assume that a fair percentage of the wives were once in P4P but which ones. Only some of them are completely obvious.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious, what is your country? You seem to know several very well.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]
I'm curious, what is your country? You seem to know several very well.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm Australian but travel a bit with some work assignments OS. My least favourite places to work are USA and London. Of course I could put up with London for big money. Have been working in Germany a few times and quite like it there.
Hoping for a lengthy assignment in Singapore next year with regular long weekends in Thailand. Can't see myself retiring for another 15 years (after stock market has wiped out so much).
[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Yep agreed, I do not care, moreover I do not care what others think either !!
IMHO 99% of all women are *****s, it is only a question of 'HOW' the money changes hands.
Cheers. FF[/QUOTE]
I'm with you FF. While Farangs are less concerned about what the appearance/image is, the Thais are generally much more concerned and don't want to kiss or embrase in public for example.
This is a big contrast to some European societies that are very kissy and huggy when meeting even just friends.
Exceptions are Pattaya (where anything goes) and long time bargirls who have got used to the stares and don't care anymore. Long term bargirls can lose the ability to discern when they should act very prim and proper and when they can be wayward. These are types that you don't really want to be with.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well I'm Australian but travel a bit with some work assignments OS. My least favourite places to work are USA and London. Of course I could put up with London for big money. Have been working in Germany a few times and quite like it there.
Hoping for a lengthy assignment in Singapore next year with regular long weekends in Thailand. Can't see myself retiring for another 15 years (after stock market has wiped out so much).[/QUOTE]
Understand completely. I'm American and choose not to live there. Germany is OK if you can deal with the German attitude. The majority of Germans are great, but there are those that still believe things should be as difficult and expensive as possible. And, that nothing is better than a good set of rules and making sure everyone follows them.
Love your home country, BTW. Would love to retire there, but like you I took quite a hit by the stock market and now I am hoping I can afford a buffalo, wood hut on stilts in Two Bug Fuck Thailand.
If the man is very old or fat and the girl is younger and looks like issan bargirl then everybody will know she is paid to stay with him even if they are married and she really feels Love with him.
It makes bad luck for her for people looking at her thinking she dirty bargirl if she don't protect herself.
If she really loves him why she care. Nobody knows her or her family so why she care?
I see many old fat men with young issan girls a long time and I think 90% chance she will trick him or steal from him in time. If they trick and steal from Thais who don't have much money sure they will steal from foreigners who have. Not all. Nearly all. That's sad. Maybe I should not say this. I see a lot the man after a long ime will cheat on the young thai because he think she don't mind or if she don't find out she will not mind. Always someone will tell her. Maybe she pretend she don't mind but she really really mind inside.
Holiday begins in 10 days, BKK shortly thereafter. Getting lots of interest and phone #s. Hope for some daytime entertainment, just hope its not more trouble than its worth. Saw one of my 1st TGF's on a porn site on line, thats helped me get over her. So if you've had experience w/TLL I'd like to hear. PMs always welcome. Looking forward to meeting some of you in BKK early Dec.
Thanks
I know this is not the place to discuss about retirement but I intend to retire some day to Thailand.
Even if I work in a secure state department my retirement plans were hit by the financial and stock market crisis. So I have to look for "cheaper retirement fun".
Here my questions:
How is the situation of the housing market going on in BKK and Thailand?
Is it difficult to settle down in Thailand being european?
Is it possible to "survive without restrictions" there with around 7-8000 eur / month?
Excuses to the admin if he thinks this is not the right place for my post.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Understand completely. I'm American and choose not to live there. Germany is OK if you can deal with the German attitude. The majority of Germans are great, but there are those that still believe things should be as difficult and expensive as possible. And, that nothing is better than a good set of rules and making sure everyone follows them.
Love your home country, BTW. Would love to retire there, but like you I took quite a hit by the stock market and now I am hoping I can afford a buffalo, wood hut on stilts in Two Bug Fuck Thailand.[/QUOTE]
I know this is not the place to discuss about retirement but I intend to retire some day to Thailand.
Even if I work in a secure state department my retirement plans were hit by the financial and stock market crisis. So I have to look for "cheaper retirement fun".
Here my questions:
How is the situation of the housing market going on in BKK and Thailand?
Is it difficult to settle down in Thailand being european?
Is it possible to "survive without restrictions" there with around 5000 eur / month?
Excuses to the admin if he thinks this is not the right place for my post.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Understand completely. I'm American and choose not to live there. Germany is OK if you can deal with the German attitude. The majority of Germans are great, but there are those that still believe things should be as difficult and expensive as possible. And, that nothing is better than a good set of rules and making sure everyone follows them.
Love your home country, BTW. Would love to retire there, but like you I took quite a hit by the stock market and now I am hoping I can afford a buffalo, wood hut on stilts in Two Bug Fuck Thailand.[/QUOTE]
answers:
1. real estate market has cooled down a lot but not crashed. but asia is behind in the crisis a few months i have the feeling
2. no. but you never will really integrate with thai. the differences are just too big. but an advantage of this country is that there are so many expats and pensionados
3. you will not survive. you will live like a king
[QUOTE=Amer Tun]I know this is not the place to discuss about retirement but I intend to retire some day to Thailand.
Even if I work in a secure state department my retirement plans were hit by the financial and stock market crisis. So I have to look for "cheaper retirement fun".
Here my questions:
How is the situation of the housing market going on in BKK and Thailand?
Is it difficult to settle down in Thailand being european?
Is it possible to "survive without restrictions" there with around 5000 eur / month?
Excuses to the admin if he thinks this is not the right place for my post.[/QUOTE]
If you don't know anything about Thailand, you had better do your homework before considering retirment here. It's a totally different environment and the differences between Europe are great. A lot of expats have tried, and a lot have failed and moved on. One man's paradise is another man's hell. I gave it five years and had enough. I am married to a Thai and we visit several times a year for a month or two. Even my wife is glad to see Thailand from the window of a departing 747.
I would recommend coming on holiday for several months and seeing how it goes before making a permanent commitment. Check out some of Old Thai Hand's postings and you get an idea of what its like to live in Thailand full time and have had enough of the Thai's.
Last year I visited the Soapy MP Colonze. For Baht 1800 I had 90 min of pleasure with a nice girl, good catbath and BBBJ followed by FS.
Unortunately Colonze closes at midnight.
Are there any MP or Soapy open after midnight? What is the going rate?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well I'm Australian but travel a bit with some work assignments OS. My least favourite places to work are USA and London. Of course I could put up with London for big money. Have been working in Germany a few times and quite like it there.
Hoping for a lengthy assignment in Singapore next year with regular long weekends in Thailand. Can't see myself retiring for another 15 years (after stock market has wiped out so much).[/QUOTE]
You are wrong about London, lots of opportunities, not all of them expensive, see the relevant threads.
Last question, after I stop because it's not the right place.
If coming on holiday for 2 months or so, is it better to buy a house with people looking (trust them?) at it or is it better to rent something?
Thanks for answers.
[QUOTE=Dreams]You are wrong about London, lots of opportunities, not all of them expensive, see the relevant threads.[/QUOTE]
But the big problem is that you have to spend time in a place that is as big a shithole as Bangkok. Just like Thailand, unless you need to be in metropolis-central, there are plenty of much better all-round places in the regions.
[QUOTE=Amer Tun]Last question, after I stop because it's not the right place.
If coming on holiday for 2 months or so, is it better to buy a house with people looking (trust them?) at it or is it better to rent something?
Thanks for answers.[/QUOTE]Better to rent something in my humble opinion. It's not very expensive in Thailand. If you want to buy a house, first, it's not so easy as a foreigner (unless it's a condo) and you will have to pay for its maintenance too.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]But the big problem is that you have to spend time in a place that is as big a shithole as Bangkok. Just like Thailand, unless you need to be in metropolis-central, there are plenty of much better all-round places in the regions.[/QUOTE]
I thought you and OTH must have shot each other in a duel. :D
But perhaps you have recovered from your wounds :(
Most of us would much rather be in BKK than London.
[QUOTE=Amer Tun]Last question, after I stop because it's not the right place.
If coming on holiday for 2 months or so, is it better to buy a house with people looking (trust them?) at it or is it better to rent something?
Thanks for answers.[/QUOTE]
First of all, you can't buy a house. As a Farang you can own property, but not land. Therefore, you must buy a condo and there are lots of regulations there.
Two months is nothing more than a vacation. You need to be here for a year or two before deciding if this is a place you want to retire. And then where: Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Two Bug Fuck or my favorite, Chiang Mai?
Why don't you move this discussion to the Living in Thailand thread where it's more appropriate.
[QUOTE=Amer Tun]...If coming on holiday for 2 months or so, is it better to buy a house with people looking (trust them?) at it or is it better to rent something?...[/QUOTE]
Whenever I go on holiday for 2 months or less, I always buy a house, but only when people aren't looking, (even if they are trustworthy) because I'm shy about things like that.
I only rent something if I plan to stay more than 2 months, and then I don't care if people are looking or not because I'm only renting.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I thought you and OTH must have shot each other in a duel. :D
But perhaps you have recovered from your wounds :(
Most of us would much rather be in BKK than London.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's an illusion that OTH and I hated each other. The arguing was just a bit of theatre. Where is the old bigot anyway? Hope he's not cavorting with those PAD puppets.
Almost anywhere is preferable to London.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]But the big problem is that you have to spend time in a place that is as big a shithole as Bangkok. Just like Thailand, unless you need to be in metropolis-central, there are plenty of much better all-round places in the regions.[/QUOTE]
Not sure I understand what you mean, but does not matter, that's not the right thread anyway, and yes, I live in london, and feel privileged to be in a place in westeren Europe where I with 4 girls for less than 100£..Not to say that BKK, FKKs are not nice, I do enjoy those as well when I am there, but I think London is a very nice place in western Europe compared to Paris, Scandinavia, italy...
I am again here with 3rd episode. Sorry for capital letters. As I typed my story in capital letters long time ago. If someone help me make it small letter, I will be thankful. Anyhow I made it in small paragraphs that readable. Mow read and waiting for comments.
1st night
When I entered my room, it was around 2 ‘o’ clock in midnight. The girl with me, name was cheki. It was not her real name. Because some thai names are difficult to pronounce. She was 30 years old. And have smart figure. I asked cheki to make hard drinks for us. She made the drinks and we sat on sofa and watch tv while having drink.
Cheki asked when we arrived Bangkok and how long to stay. I told her we arrived today morning and plan to stay for a week or ten days.
Cheki told me there is one pay channel on tv, in this hotel to watch porno movies. She changed the channel. There was some good anal actions in the movie. I asked cheki if she could do anal. She told me that she liked it but afraid of it.
We watched the sex movie for 10 minutes. My cock was hard and wanted to come out of my pants. Cheki rubbed her hands on my cock and smiled.
Than, she went to take shower and I made another drink. I watched sex movie while having my drink.
Cheki came out having towel around her body. I watched her body. Her skin was fair. She asked me if I want her to give me bath. But I said not now. I went to bathroom and took a bath with hot water. And came out only wearing underwear.
I switched off the room lights but tv was on. Cheki was watching porno channel and having whisky. She told me it was her 5th or 6th drink in three hours. And she was drinking in the disco, too. She requested me to take care of her if she is drunk. I said it is ok. She looked at me and smiled.
She asked me to sit on sofa and she sat on my legs. Her eyes were pink and she was looking horny. She kissed me deep and took her tongue moved around inside my mouth and I did the same. My hand moved slowly on her body. I opened her towel and she was naked now. I saw her ass in the mirror. It was big and round shape. I moved my hands on her ass. Her boobs were like pear shaped. I started rubbing her boobs. Her boobs nipple came hard. Then she kissed my neck and went down, kissing all my body.
Then she removed my underwear. My cock was hard now. She hold it, kissed it on top and licked it. She moved her tounge from top to bottom of my cock like eating icecream. Then she moved her lips to my balls and started licking it like dog. She took my cock, which is 7 inches long in her mouth or maybe deep in her throat. And gave me blowjob.
I told her that I am coming. She told me she liked to drink my cum. I was surprised to know that. She told me that it keeps her body and skin young and silky. She swallowed all of it, even the last drop.
We did all of this action on sofa and for 20 minutes. After this, she went to bathroom for shower. And asked me to join her. We took bath together and she washed me very gently. She cleaned my cock.
We came out and went straight to bed. In bed, cheki asked if I liked to fuck her now. My answer was in yes. But I told to take rest for half an hour to get strength. She liked my idea. We watched porno film on tv.
After 20-25 minutes, she started rubbing my cock. I told her it would not come hard unless she put it in her mouth. She said ok. And did it. Then it came hard. I stopped her sucking my cock. I put her boobs in my mouth and started chewing it.
At same time I put my finger in her pussy moving in and out. She liked it. She made voices. Then I put condom on my cock and put it in her pussy. I was doing missionary style. And licking her boobs nipples. Then she asked me to change some action.
I told it is her chioce. I laid straight and she came on me and put my cock in her pussy. She was doing a good job. She was moving in circles sitting on my legs, having my cock in her pussy. I watched her shaking boobs. Then she turned around and I watched her ass.
We did this action for 5 minutes. Then we changed to another action. She laid in side position and I put my cock in her pussy and taking my cock in & out. In this action, my balls touched her big round ass and I was feeling like having anal sex. I enjoyed this action.
It took 15-20 minutes to cum me. Cheki told me to come on her body. I did as her advice. She rubbed my milk on her body. She went to bathroom to clean her pussy and I cleaned my cock with tissues. I made drinks for cheki and me. She came out naked. We had drink together. After having drinks, I wore pajama and cheki put only underwear. It was 4 am in morning, when we went to bed for sleep.
We slept until 12 pm in afternoon. We woke up, when my friend saeed phoned me. He inquired when we could go out. I asked him about his girlfriend. He told me that she left around 11 am in morning.
We decided to go out around 4pm. Cheki was woke up after hearing the phone bells. I kissed her. She asked me if I liked one more fuck. I told her that I am tired. She offered me blowjob. But I refused. And we slept again.
It was 3:00 pm, when we got out from bed and went to bathroom together. And stayed there for 20 minutes. I brushed my teeth and shaved, while cheki filled the tub with hot water and we lay in for 15 minutes. Cheki soaped me and bathed me. She cleaned her pussy and I watched her. We came out and changed the clothes. I ordered room service for black coffee. I paid cheki 1500 bath. She thanked me, and I thanked her for friendly sex.
Wait for part 4
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[QUOTE=Daddy07]Whenever I go on holiday for 2 months or less, I always buy a house, but only when people aren't looking, (even if they are trustworthy) because I'm shy about things like that.
I only rent something if I plan to stay more than 2 months, and then I don't care if people are looking or not because I'm only renting.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, you lost me... I ain't got a clue!
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Sorry, you lost me... I ain't got a clue![/QUOTE]
Just having fun with Amer Tun who likewise gave me no clue. :)
[QUOTE=Ultra Pilot]Holiday begins in 10 days, BKK shortly thereafter. Getting lots of interest and phone #s. Hope for some daytime entertainment, just hope its not more trouble than its worth. Saw one of my 1st TGF's on a porn site on line, thats helped me get over her. So if you've had experience w/TLL I'd like to hear. PMs always welcome. [/QUOTE]
Look for my post from last week with details of my TLL experience and success (es).
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Sorry, you lost me... I ain't got a clue![/QUOTE]
Its called "Taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]" out of someone.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Well, it's an illusion that OTH and I hated each other. The arguing was just a bit of theatre. Where is the old bigot anyway? Hope he's not cavorting with those PAD puppets.
Almost anywhere is preferable to London.[/QUOTE]
You do have a reputation for being cranky and knocking just about everything.
So we look forward to some more positive reports if and when you actually get to have a good time in LOS :)
A few years ago I managed to get fantastic testicle massage and later a great handjob from a Chang Mai girl.
A few weeks ago I found this great map on internet
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.733132,100.565758&spn=0.029057,0.039697&z=15[/url]
One of the places on it :Naka Japanese Health Massage says to specialize in this area so I went all the way over there with a taxi (645/25-26 Petchaburi Road). A bit difficult to find but I managed to slip in there from the back alley.
The place was quite old and dirty. The reception staff showed me the treatment on a laminated paper. It was something like
30 Min massage good for blood circulation...
15 Min hot towel treatment
20 Min testicle massage good for...
20 Min use of hand pump and so on.
All together this would take 1h40 min for 750 B.
Agreed and then my massage girl showed up. 25 years and no English. She took me upstairs and the place was smelly. She asked me if I wanted VIP room for extra 50 B and I said OK.
The room was dirty and moldy but the bed looked clean.
She started with a quite bad massage and I was looking at the watch for 30 min for it to be finished. I was lucky only took 20 min.
Then she started with some towel massage on my dick for 3 min and then some half ass testicle massage for 3 min.
She then started with an average oily handjob, nothing extra at all. I shoot my load after 10 min or so and then she left the room for 10 min or so.
When she came back she started to do her average massage again and after 10 min I had enough and I left.
I told the receptionist that it was not what I was prommised. I paid 500B and left. This place was dirty, didn't deliver and not worth a visit.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]... the Thais are generally much more concerned and don't want to kiss or embrase in public ...
This is a big contrast to some European societies that are very kissy and huggy when meeting even just friends. Long term bargirls can lose the ability to discern when they should act very prim and proper and when they can be wayward. These are types that you don't really want to be with.[/QUOTE]
This sort of etiquette is important sometimes.
If I am looking for a new gal, I look for certain things apart from the obvious ...
Some sort of family or temple attending value set, some "koyness" and if they dress in almost nothing that they have a pair of jeans in their bag or somewhere close. Outside the bar or where ever, I always ask if its Ok to even hold hands.
if you walk into the hotel with the girl dressed like a tramp and with your tongue down her throat and hands all over her - you may not care BUT when she comes to leave, the staff may not help with a taxi. One of my early experiences was with a very nice girl I met at a restaurant where she help serve for her family. She met me later for a drink and on heading back we held hands going into the hotel. When she left later that night, the bell man told her that: "*****s get to beg for another ride on the corner." She called my room and told me and I called a car service to pick her up before i went to wait with her in the lobby. I later quietly organized for the bellman to find work elsewhere.
She has progressed in her career and she still favors me on occasion but i have never seen the bellman again.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]You do have a reputation for being cranky and knocking just about everything.
So we look forward to some more positive reports if and when you actually get to have a good time in LOS :)[/QUOTE]
But Mick, it's my job to be ISG Thailand's Victor Meldrew :D (google if you never heard of). It's a tough one, but someone has to do it.
[QUOTE=Mik99]A few years ago I managed to get fantastic testicle massage and later a great handjob from a Chang Mai girl.
A few weeks ago I found this great map on internet
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.733132,100.565758&spn=0.029057,0.039697&z=15[/url]
.....
I told the receptionist that it was not what I was prommised. I paid 500B and left. This place was dirty, didn't deliver and not worth a visit.[/QUOTE]
You should really be using the Bangkok MP (Massage) Thread.
If you research there tou will find out more anout the more popular places.
Satrai2000 mentioned Naka as something to go on the Map,
but more popular places get some stars against them.
Previous Naka Reports:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=787776&postcount=1683[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=787827&postcount=1684[/url]
You can get good testicle massage. I believe Rin at Hana is supposed to be an expert. Akane 33, for example, on the Map has code TestM (Testicle Massage avail)
But ask on that thread which are the very best exponents of "balls massage" and I am sure you will get some recommendations.
Hi guys,
First and foremost, thanks for making this forum such an informative place.
I need special advice from you though:
I'm coming to BKK soon. I'm toung and I screw hot girls in my country.
I'm willing to p4p in BKK, because it's cool and there is gf bullshit after, but I want to fuck the best looking professionnals of the city, real stunners.
It doesn't matter if they are pornstars as long as they fuck ok.
Where should I go then? Mp, go-go, freelancers?
Your recommandations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Hi guys,
First and foremost, thanks to all of you for making this forum such an informative place.
I need some special advice from you guys though.
I am coming soon to BKK.
I am young and not bad looking, I have dated many hot girls in my country.
So if I am considering to P4P in BKK it is because:
-I have no time for dating and I want to enjoy my holidays.
-I really want to fuck model-type asian girls. Girls that would clearly be unreachable in Europe.
Most of the girls in the forum's photo gallery are really common looking, way less hot than asian chicks I can see in the streets in Europe.
I know some of you guys privilege service more than anything else, but for me look is definitely the most important.
So what places should I go to in BKK to find top-looking girls? MPs? Go-go bars? Hotel bars with freelancers? .
All your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Jo Bowz]
Most of the girls in the forum's photo gallery are really common looking, way less hot than asian chicks I can see in the streets in Europe.
I know some of you guys privilege service more than anything else, but for me look is definitely the most important.
[/QUOTE]
Good luck, this is a question that gets posted pretty often and never fails to attract people who want to shoot down your preference. I say that having been on the receiving end myself. Get ready. "What do you want that for?" they'll say. As if desire for a beautiful woman is some kind of mental deformity. From what I've come across here (and haven't tried myself yet) the best bets are the gentlemen's clubs and also the coyote clubs. They're both more expensive than the typical scene. If you have any interest in the go-gos, then stop first at Rainbow 4 in Nana Plaza, which has the top selection in the looks dept (quantity plus quality). May be able to find another bar with one who is nicer, but you wont' find a full stage of them as in RB4. Others may have ideas about massage places but my own experience in that directoin has been disappointing. Whenever I try massage places (on the occassional visit to BKK) I head to whatever places are recommended (Poseidon, etc.) and just never do spot the must-have girl in any of those places, but just yet more of the nothing-special types. Models indeed.
I always see hotter girls in person there than I ever see in this sad photo gallery we have. I've learned my lesson and just steer clear of the photo gallery.
[QUOTE=Jo Bowz]-I really want to fuck model-type asian girls. Girls that would clearly be unreachable in Europe.
So what places should I go to in BKK to find top-looking girls? MPs? Go-go bars? Hotel bars with freelancers? [/QUOTE]Jo,
I think MPs along Rachada Road (Poseidon, Emanuelle and such, Google for MPs) would be your best bet if you have limited time, don't care much for dating/GFE, and if looks are your #1 factor in choosing.
Minimal hassle, best looks, decent (but never outstanding) service. Price/performance ratio is not amazing (4-5k baht for what you can pretty much get for 1k with an ok-looking street meat), but I think a good fit for you on the first holiday.
Don't let the taxis take you to MPs, and avoid Phetchaburi road (many MPs there, but not high quality IMO). Do your research and go there yourself, e. G. Take subway to Huay Kwang station and walk along, can't miss them.
Agogos provide a great show, but most are too much hassle IMO and girls are rather plain for the price they ask. G-Clubs are for those with lots of time and money who are happy to splash a lot of cash around even if it's not certain they'll get laid in the end. Freelancers. Are hit and miss, you may try upscale hotels (e. G. Novotel/CM2 disco), but I don't think most are amazing looking.
Do note that Thailand PFP is not so much about the looks as it is about GFE and a relaxed atmosphere. The latter, IMO, can't be found anywhere except Th/Phil. If Asian-model-looks are your main goal, perhaps look into Singapore (more variety in looks), or Macau.
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[QUOTE=Jo Bowz]Hi guys,
First and foremost, thanks to all of you for making this forum such an informative place.
I need some special advice from you guys though.
I am coming soon to BKK.
I am young and not bad looking, I have dated many hot girls in my country.
So if I am considering to P4P in BKK it is because:
-I have no time for dating and I want to enjoy my holidays.
-I really want to fuck model-type asian girls. Girls that would clearly be unreachable in Europe.
Most of the girls in the forum's photo gallery are really common looking, way less hot than asian chicks I can see in the streets in Europe.
I know some of you guys privilege service more than anything else, but for me look is definitely the most important.
So what places should I go to in BKK to find top-looking girls? MPs? Go-go bars? Hotel bars with freelancers? .
All your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
In 06 first couple of times in Thailand hung out in Bangkok and Pattaya strictly Go-Gos… just grabbed the girls who looked like they were eager to go with…..07 came around I was little bit more seasoned but spent most of my time in Bangkok and had mixed experiences in the looks department. Had more deuces then 10s. One of my most beautiful bar fines was in Pattaya ‘06 the place Opebo is such an advocate of. Last trip I tried to be very choosy this time in the looks department but you don’t want a Ferrari with no engine. I was satisfied in both areas so can’t complain. If looks is really all you are after a high class escort service I am sure will do the trick but the most beautiful girls you will ever see in Bangkok are the ones not turning tricks.
[QUOTE=Jo Bowz]....
Most of the girls in the forum's photo gallery are really common looking, way less hot than asian chicks I can see in the streets in Europe.
....[/QUOTE]
Jo,
There are a number of factors likely to be contributing to this view.
1. Its generally low class girls that are willing to appear nude and have their faces shown in the photo gallery. So often below average standard. More discerning guys don't like to show girls faces. But have a look at Photos by Fon Tok.
If you still don't think much of those girls, then Thailand is clearly not the place for you.
2. In my opinion the percentage of stunning Asians in the street in Europe is not that high. Why is this? Perhaps you like a different style to what I do. Perhaps you like whiter skinned rounder faced Chinese (for example) where I go for a more Thai look.
In my opinion average looks of Thai girls is better than average looks of most Asian Countries and of many foreign countries as well. But others would disagree.
3. Only a small percentage of Thai girls that are slim have big natural tits. So Thailand is probably not the best place for guys liking very big tits.
4. Nice looking girls often don't appear totally nude.
Here is a pretty girl IMHO with a great all natural body in one of my past posts:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=778217&postcount=1510[/url]
So we can get to have sex with girls of this standard.
But only a small percentage of bar girls look this good.
The reason? Rich men come and steal the hottest girls away from the bars. They don't last too long because they get choices and get offered something better.
[quote=mick licker]you do have a reputation for being cranky and knocking just about everything.
so we look forward to some more positive reports if and when you actually get to have a good time in los :)[/quote]
well, where would they go then?
"anyone who knowingly pays illegally trafficked women for sex could face [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charges, while kerb crawlers could face prosecution for a first offence.
there will also be more "naming and shaming" of kerb crawlers and new police powers to close brothels.
buying or selling sex is legal but soliciting and pimping are not."
full strory:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7735908.stm[/url]
Jo:
Sure. Hotties are everywhere. I steer clear of the MP's because I like to have a gal in my room, take my time on my terms. The Gentleman's clubs are high buck for basically the same girls. Normally, I prefer Nana Plaza gogo's, and like another comment earlier, there are tons to choose from. There is always going to be one or two 9's. Even in the smaller clubs, invariably there is one that belongs on the cover of a fashion mag.
For the cost of one beer you can enter and hang for a while, survey the place and there is bound to be a model-quality stunner.- absent the height, probably. But here's the thing. In my experience, if you zone right in on her and call her over, she knows you are way keen and will ask for the high number, say 2000Bt.- and likely stick to that figure. On the other hand, if you can get her attention casually and play it with reasonable cool, you can hang out for the standard rate. Which is not to say you want to stiff her (sorry), but you don't want to get hosed either (sorry).
I agree with the other posts: many of the pix here don't do justice to the quality and volume of very good looking fillies. No disrespect to the posters, in general life, not that many people take a good pic.
Soi Cowboy is good, Pat Pong can be a rip-off and the gals there are typically all bizness. If you pull chicks where you are from, you'll have no trouble getting a super-fine filly agree to go with you for pretty short money.
There are pretty girls on the street but it is hit-or-miss quality-wise if they are even on the game. Finally, Pattaya has really really high volume of ladies generally.- if you don't bump into a smoking hottie there, you have to try another galaxy. They're there.
More later,
J
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[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
Here is a pretty girl IMHO with a great all natural body in one of my past posts:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=778217&postcount=1510[/url]
So we can get to have sex with girls of this standard.
But only a small percentage of bar girls look this good.
[/QUOTE]
Now that's what I'm talking about. I have to say, I've never seen anything that looked that good in the Photo Gallery here. Never. And I suspect you need to do a lot of looking where ever you look to find one like that.
Anyway, is the story as sad as you suggest, that she was soon afterward snatched up by some rich guy? Didn't get digits? Don't worry, I'm not gonna ask for them, just curious if you made a concerted effort to hang onto her, and if so, how that turned out. If I was in Thailand and she was still there at her massage, of course I'd be going to get a massage there now and not wasting my time typing here. ;)
[QUOTE=Wendella]Now that's what I'm talking about. I have to say, I've never seen anything that looked that good in the Photo Gallery here. Never. And I suspect you need to do a lot of looking where ever you look to find one like that.
Anyway, is the story as sad as you suggest, that she was soon afterward snatched up by some rich guy? Didn't get digits? Don't worry, I'm not gonna ask for them, just curious if you made a concerted effort to hang onto her, and if so, how that turned out. If I was in Thailand and she was still there at her massage, of course I'd be going to get a massage there now and not wasting my time typing here. ;)[/QUOTE]
You haven't been watching the threads, mate.
Just a few days back someone else went to see the same MP girl, said her body was fab, the session was O.K., but wasn't exactly fantastic. YMMV. As a regular of her's, I may get a better GFE than others.
True, no, I haven't been. Does me no good since I'm not in Thailand now. Oh well. Nice work on the find.
[QUOTE=Wendella]True, no, I haven't been. Does me no good since I'm not in Thailand now. Oh well. Nice work on the find.[/QUOTE]
I am such a good hearted guy, that I am usually willing to report and share. No truthfully, orginally I posted her pic but no name or number. Then some bright spark found her photo on the MP web page and matched up the face characteristics, so there was no point in denying her name or number any more.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I may get a better GFE than others.[/QUOTE]This is something that a lot of people here, especially newcomers, don't seem to understand. So much of any commercial sex experience here depends on really individual factors -- personal chemistry, the way you treat them, your Thai or lack of it, their mood that particular day, etc. etc. All the recommendations here are a good starting point, but there's absolutely no guarantee that you're going to get exactly or even roughly what someone else got. Ultimately I think the best discoveries are very often the ones you make for yourself.
[QUOTE=Betong]This is something that a lot of people here, especially newcomers, don't seem to understand. So much of any commercial sex experience here depends on really individual factors -- personal chemistry, the way you treat them, your Thai or lack of it, their mood that particular day, etc. etc. All the recommendations here are a good starting point, but there's absolutely no guarantee that you're going to get exactly or even roughly what someone else got. Ultimately I think the best discoveries are very often the ones you make for yourself.[/QUOTE]
Posts are merely an indicator of type of experience that is possible with the right attitude.
No one is a sure thing.
But if a place/girl gets consistent bad reports then guys will know that this place might be best avoided.
[QUOTE=Jackzonian]Jo:
Sure. Hotties are everywhere. I steer clear of the MP's because I like to have a gal in my room, take my time on my terms. The Gentleman's clubs are high buck for basically the same girls. Normally, I prefer Nana Plaza gogo's, and like another comment earlier, there are tons to choose from. There is always going to be one or two 9's. Even in the smaller clubs, invariably there is one that belongs on the cover of a fashion mag.
[/QUOTE]
There are a few good reasons for frequenting MPs:
1. More discreet for guys with full time wife or GF
2. Less wasted time for guys with only 2 hours to spare for the experience
3. There are some girls in MPs that are exceptionally good looking that can be booked in advance. Its not always so easy to get to the No. 1 girl in a bar (could be busy with someone else for days) and no reliable booking system.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]There are a few good reasons for frequenting MPs:
1. More discreet for guys with full time wife or GF
2. Less wasted time for guys with only 2 hours to spare for the experience
3. There are some girls in MPs that are exceptionally good looking that can be booked in advance. Its not always so easy to get to the No. 1 girl in a bar (could be busy with someone else for days) and no reliable booking system.[/QUOTE]For myself, I'll frequent an MP over Nana any day because I know what I'm getting - ie, a full on sexual experience. In go-go bars, you can spend half the night hunting for the girl you want but, when you take her back to your room, she can easily turn out to be a useless fuck, completely inexperienced, or, at worst, a total starfish.
Your whole night wasted on a worthless screw.
The PSEs I get from a place like Tulip ensures that I need not go anywhere else.
[QUOTE=Jackzonian]Pat Pong can be a rip-off and the gals there are typically all bizness.[/QUOTE]
Typically, yes .. but I ran into a bright-eyed sweetie there (in one of the smaller gogos) who has been treating me very nicely for a couple of months, and has never mentioned money. Well, of course I pay her, just as she steps into the taxi to leave, but she has never counted it in front of me or asked for more ..
I've been wondering whether I should accept her invite to go to her family place a bit south of Bangkok .. still scared ..
The following is what I posted in the Safe Sex thread as I thought it would also be relevant to the scene in Bangkok, Thailand.
I like kissing and have kissed more hookers than that in Bangkok, plus just as many crack and or heroin addicted SWs in my home cuntry. And over five years and dozens, maybe hundreds, of hours of nothing but kissing, I have never contracted Mono, so maybe you were just very unlucky. Although I generally avoid tongue kissing, and keep my saliva to myself as much as possible with open mouth kissing and expect the lady to do so also.
Overly wet lips on her are not a pleasure for me, though I keep mine well oiled with lip balms, both flavored and medicated as a preventative. And of course keep it freshened with listerine, sugarless gum, and mints.
Recently a P4P TG told me Thai girls do not like to kiss. In my experience though it is easy to find TGs who are willing to do so, and they actually have kissed better than those mentioned above in Canada.
Just as no two ladies lick balls alike, no two women kiss the same. And if one is very particular or picky about how they want to do it, then they may have some difficulty finding the right girl for them. In BKK you can find everything in the range of those who will kiss only softly with their mouth closed to those who are into wild and crazy deep french slobering.
Personally I require something inbetween these two extremes. And often enjoy smooching for up to one or two hours at a time. This is too long for most ladies, as it would also be for most for genital intercourse. But to some TGs kissing is considered an easier form of work than sucking or fucking, so getting together with me can a nice break for them if all we do is kiss. Some claim to enjoy kissing and their actions seem to back that up, whereas others show that they are obviously not into it, so I quickly dump them if they are not good for anything else.
Of course avoid kissing or doing anything with anyone with obvious sores on their mouth, face, pussy, or asshole.
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[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Typically, yes .. but I ran into a bright-eyed sweetie there (in one of the smaller gogos) who has been treating me very nicely for a couple of months, and has never mentioned money. Well, of course I pay her, just as she steps into the taxi to leave, but she has never counted it in front of me or asked for more ..
I've been wondering whether I should accept her invite to go to her family place a bit south of Bangkok .. still scared ..[/QUOTE]
If you do accept her invitation, be sure to report back about the money situation after visiting her family.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]Do note that Thailand PFP is not so much about the looks as it is about GFE and a relaxed atmosphere. The latter, IMO, can't be found anywhere except Th/Phil. If Asian-model-looks are your main goal, perhaps look into Singapore (more variety in looks), or Macau.[/QUOTE]Personally I find many many ladies in BKK, whether *****s or not, to be very attractive. And I am here longtime for the fucking, sucking, licking and kissing, not for a GF or any experience that resembles a GF.
[QUOTE=Betong]This is something that a lot of people here, especially newcomers, don't seem to understand. So much of any commercial sex experience here depends on really individual factors -- personal chemistry, the way you treat them, your Thai or lack of it, their mood that particular day, etc. etc.[/QUOTE]And the number one factor for a positive experience. Baht.
Spent a few nights in BKK recently after a long period away. Found many girls asking crazy prices in nana plaza and bars around there. Two thousand short time and six hundred bar fine-fuck off.
And I speak some thai and the girls know that I know the story.
One nice girl in the car park, miaeau-1000 short time, no worries.
If I see you again when my khmer wife is not nearby youré on.
Apart from that, bars are dismal.
Went to tulip massage the other afternoon-fucken great.
Why would you play bargirl roulette when you get such service at a massage parlour.
I came three times, twice up her arse for all up 2300!
I am an old ****, first time like that for over 25 years.
Hard to beat that!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]And the number one factor for a positive experience. Baht.[/QUOTE]I'd have to disagree. It takes baht to get in the door of course, but beyond that, the amount you pay usually isn't a major factor in how good it is.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Jo,
There are a number of factors likely to be contributing to this view.
1. Its generally low class girls that are willing to appear nude and have their faces shown in the photo gallery. So often below average standard. [/QUOTE]I totally agree that the standard that is seen in the photo gallery, isn't the average standard of girls, that you will find in BKK. I have had my luck with many very attractive girls, that have been letting me take pictures, nude. However I think the reason that you don't see that many photos of the better looking girls here, is that guys have more respect for the more beautiful girls, and if they make an agrement, not to post their picture, they will not post it.
I don't agree that it has to do with the girl being lowclas, but then again. I don't speak Thai. I can't really tell if a girl is Hi or lo class. I just go for the looks.
I hope this makes sense.
Hi all,
I am considering taking a lay-over in BK during the first week of January – any perspectives on whether the scene here is alive during that week or if I should look else where?
This is the 4th. Consecutive of my holidays / vacation trips to BKK.
The mongerings scenes are the same with a lot of MP'S and lightweight on Nana and Soi Cowboy go go bars.
Definitely, I am enjoying the sure bets that I can get from MP. 'S girls for a 2500baht session. With a decent GFE. Style. The bars are now full of sharks who are real hungry with the downturn of economy in NEP.
It is great just to come for a few drinks and the shows, but it may not well worth the money and effort to bring back to the hotel.
However, the overall BKK experiences are well worth long haul trip from USA. At anytime.
My 4 weeks holliday is almost over. I spent 1 week in BKK, 2 weeks in Pattaya and than the last week in BKK.
Both places have pros and cons. But, over all I can say I prefer BKK. Imho BKK has more beauties, also more choices. I prefer Free Lancer from discos or beer garden because no bar fine, no lady drinks and no 3rd party involved. Also, the hunt for the prettiest girl in the club is one of the main pleasure. In Gogos, it's too easy. You just point to the girl you like, pay a lady drink, deal about the price, barfine and that's it.
Nornally I go to Gogos just to bridge the time before the discos and clubs get busy. But, yesterday I had a very nice experience with a gogo girl. It must be years since I barfined a gogo girl.
Were in Mandarin in NEP. Somehow the Mamasan recocgnized me from a previous holliday. Must be in another gogo, since I was first time in Mandarin. She is a very kind lady asked what girls I prefer. I explained, I like girls with round, big asses and small waists. I know that is very seldom in Thailand.
Mamasan found one from the top stage from that bar. She is 19, looks a bit like Gogo from the movie Kill Bill and undressed she had really a very sexy hardbody. Ok, not really a big ass, but compare to the size of the waist the hips and ass have the right ratio.
Will say even when she was petit, she had curves and that is important. I don't like the usual strait und underdeveloped Thai girls bodies. I really hate flat asses.
Well, the girl, her name is Me if I understand right, was very sweet and hot in Bed. The only draw back was that she didn't speak English very well. The only thing what she could say was I love you. ;) Well was a bit funny to hear it from her under the shower, during sex and when we part.
She asked in the bar first for 2000 ST. Than reduced to 1500 ST and agreed to do anal. After that I thought well, even when 1500 Bhat + 600 Bhat Barfine for a short time is more what I pay freelancer for LT, I want try.
I do not regret, the sex was very good, the girl was just one month in business, but not shy did everything without asking for. I felt a bit pitty to ask her to go after ST. I guess she would like to stay LT, since she did not made attempts to leave after 2 hours.
After that I went to Spice Club, met there a girl from my first meeting. She looks really very good, white skin, tall, sexy body, do anal, always funny and happy. No, problems next morning to get rid of her. Price was 2000 Bhat LT.
[QUOTE=DG69]... She is a very kind lady asked what girls I prefer. I explained, I like girls with round, big asses and small waists. I know that is very seldom in Thailand.
Mamasan found one from the top stage from that bar. She is 19, looks a bit like Gogo from the movie Kill Bill and undressed she had really a very sexy hardbody. Ok, not really a big ass, but compare to the size of the waist the hips and ass have the right ratio.
Will say even when she was petit, she had curves and that is important. I don't like the usual strait und underdeveloped Thai girls body. I really had flat asses....[/QUOTE]
First I point out that Thai currency is Baht ot THB is O.K.
So often we see Bath and Bhat. Being a pedantic I can't resist LOL
But on more interesting stuff, I am a bottom and curves man myself. The ideal bottom should be like a full ripe peach or apricot. another thought is the bum cheeks should be like an upside down heart shape. firm but with a bit of giggle and wobble.
I don't find Thai girls bodies to be all that straight.
I course I don't frequent Nana Plaza with lots of straightish ladyboys.
I find Chinese girls to be often a bit too straight for me with flatish bums too common.
"airw lek sapork yai" is the Thai expression for small waist but wide at the thigh area. which is what I prefer. I am not a massive tit man especially if silicone. But i nnever complain about natural C or D cups if not saggy.
Two other points. It looks more sexy to me if a girl has a nice 2-3 cm gap betweenthe top of her legs. If they bash together, then she iis too fat for me.
The ideal waist to thigh ratio should be 0.6 to 0.7 (50 to 70%) to make a nicely curvy figure. LBs will usually be too straight and above 0.7. I have seen girls with ratio less than 0.6 but it looks a bit too exaggerated.
I know most of you mongers are into evaluating girls in such a mathematical way. ;)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]First I point out that Thai currency is Baht ot THB is O.K.
So often we see Bath and Bhat. Being a pedantic I can't resist LOL
The ideal waist to thigh ratio should be 0.6 to 0.7 (50 to 70%) to make a nicely curvy figure. LBs will usually be too straight and above 0.7. I have seen girls with ratio less than 0.6 but it looks a bit too exaggerated.
I know most of you mongers are into evaluating girls in such a mathematical way. ;)[/QUOTE]
Well, I appologize about the wrong spelling of the Royal Thai Currency.;)
I share your preferences regarding curvy figure. Just I think a Thai girl with a hip to waist ratio from 0.6 is very seldom, even 0.7 is seldom. If a slim Thai girl have waist circumference from lets say 60 cm (which is about 24 inch) than she needs to have hips from 100 cm (40 inch) circumference to have a ratio from 0.6. That you might find in south Europe, Middle East, South America often, but on East Asia such is very seldom.
For example Beyonce Knowless has a very curvy figure. A quick check in the internet will teach that her measurement are 33-26-42. That would be a ratio hips to waist from 0.62. Other info is that her measurement is 36-24-34 and thats a ratio of about 0.7. So, how ever Beyonce is about 1.69 or 5'7". For smaller Thai girls such curves are almost impossible.
I recognize LB almost ever. They seems to know about the magic of hip to waist ratio and you often can see (at last in Pattaya) that they use had some operations in that regard. Cut out of lower rips, to get a smaller waist and filling of silicon at hips and butt. So, they looks sometimes really bizzare.
I agree Chinese girls are imho even more straight and have less curves than Thai girls. Though there are enough guys who like it just in that way.
Was out last night for a few drinks and popped over to soi 22. Walked down past that pretentious "Ice" bar and found some nice ladies at the bar attached to the Honey Restaurant, to the left of that little Honey plaza. Very very small bar, but there were some hotties inside so decided to take a look. Sat down with a hottie named "Nit". After some touching and kissing, bought her a drink. Was a very friendly bar - kind of like the ones you see down on soi 6 in Pattaya, except these girls were actually good looking. Anyway, I talk to her for awhile and ask about the barfine. 500 baht, and she wanted 2000 for ST and 4000 for longtime. Beer nearly came out of my nose. Haven't been quoted those prices since a Suzie Wong supermodel last February, and this girl was nowhere near as good looking as the Suzie Wong's girl. Tried to negotiate but she was adamant, so I fucked off home and had a wank.
I think next month I'll finally go over and try Tulip. Experiences like this keep happening in this city (mainly in the bars). It's not like I look rich - I was wearing cargos and a beach t-shirt. I'll save my money for Tulip or Pattaya where I can get better value.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]I think next month I'll finally go over and try Tulip. Experiences like this keep happening in this city (mainly in the bars). It's not like I look rich - I was wearing cargos and a beach t-shirt. I'll save my money for Tulip or Pattaya where I can get better value.[/QUOTE]
No, need to wank or go to Pattaya or Tulip. In Tulip the pop cost you also 1900 Baht.
Got yesterday a quote from a girl in a gogo in NEP, from 1000 ST. She is very pretty, barfine 600 Baht and 1000 Baht ST. Well, I would have done it, but when I asked if she could see me after work in Spice Club, she told "can not because am 17". Well, of course this was a no go, for me to take her, even when she was very hot and kisses very sweet. Well, after that I took the girl from Mandarin.
FL in Spice or other clubs ask for 2000 LT, some even less. Depends on many factors. Some who are very pretty, but not long in business may ask less, than others whose look not so nice, but worked already in Singapore or Hongkok. So, in Bangkok it's hit and miss.
Best advice, when you get bad prices in one bar, try the next. Bars with no or not much customer, might be a good choice. Girls might be desperate to make some business. Could imagine that the gogos in Patpong might be a good place now. Not much customer, at least such who barfine. So, girls might go down with price, or agree to meet outside the gogo after work.
[QUOTE=Tratnguyen1]This is the 4th. Consecutive of my holidays / vacation trips to BKK.
The mongerings scenes are the same with a lot of MP'S and lightweight on Nana and Soi Cowboy go go bars.
Definitely, I am enjoying the sure bets that I can get from MP. 'S girls for a 2500baht session. With a decent GFE. Style. The bars are now full of sharks who are real hungry with the downturn of economy in NEP.
It is great just to come for a few drinks and the shows, but it may not well worth the money and effort to bring back to the hotel.
However, the overall BKK experiences are well worth long haul trip from USA. At anytime.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you mean by "full of sharks", Tratnguyen1. Is that a good thing or bad? I would have thought now is probably a good time to visit, as the girls would be hungry for business and likely give better service. Also, less competition for the good girls.
[QUOTE=DG69]I share your preferences regarding curvy figure. Just I think a Thai girl with a hip to waist ratio from 0.6 is very seldom, even 0.7 is seldom.y.[/QUOTE]You seem to be very specific about the sizes. Theres a girl at Baccara (Soi Cowboy), on the glass floor who always reminds me of Beyounce. I don't remember her number. But I find her very atractive
I'm not sure about the exact size.
[QUOTE=DG69]
I share your preferences regarding curvy figure. Just I think a Thai girl with a hip to waist ratio from 0.6 is very seldom, even 0.7 is seldom. If a slim Thai girl have waist circumference from lets say 60 cm (which is about 24 inch) than she needs to have hips from 100 cm (40 inch) circumference to have a ratio from 0.6. That you might find in south Europe, Middle East, South America often, but on East Asia such is very seldom.
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No need to worry about the tape measure. Just do the width by eye. I was talking about distince from one side to the other. We cannot go round measuring all the girls carefully.
It may be slightly easier to meet the criteria this way.
Contrary to what you say, quite a lot of Thai girls do manage to get under the 0.7 although I will concede 0.6 is rare in any Country and less than that, seen only occasionally, looks quite strange and not even desirable.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]Anyway, I talk to her for awhile and ask about the barfine. 500 baht, and she wanted 2000 for ST and 4000 for longtime. Beer nearly came out of my nose. ...
I think next month I'll finally go over and try Tulip. Experiences like this keep happening in this city (mainly in the bars). It's not like I look rich - I was wearing cargos and a beach t-shirt. I'll save my money for Tulip or Pattaya where I can get better value.[/QUOTE]
A girl prices herself higher than Tulip but may well be crap in bed.
Thats why MPs like Tulip are valuable. Reliable and don't have to negotiate.
Imho, BKK is still a No brainer for a mongering trip. Maybe I come from an old school and take the convienence of BKK over the adventurous sites like Manila or Jakarta. The baht is running weak and this is a better time to visit my USD is streching up to 35B. Vs. 30B only 6 mos. Ago.
Okay, I had more bad experience with the hungry girls, the sharks. In NEP. The good news is just happened last night when I visited the Country road bar and take out a beauty in services and only 3mos. In the game. The beauty offered LT. For 2000baht and I just Can't say no eventhough I already Had my fills in the MP early.
So, I can call that a Home run and try to keep her for the next couple days.
[QUOTE=Jayf1970]Not sure what you mean by "full of sharks", Tratnguyen1. Is that a good thing or bad? I would have thought now is probably a good time to visit, as the girls would be hungry for business and likely give better service. Also, less competition for the good girls.[/QUOTE]
I guess he means the girls are now very eager to get a Lady drink or barfined. It sounds good, but of course it can be a bit awkward, since almost only the ugly girls in the bars will be desperately try to squeeze a lady drink out of you. The pretty ones don't need that.
Checked yesterday some gogos in NEP in which I usuall not go. The Rainbow gogos were full like everyday. The smaller ones Lollipop, Vodoo, Mandarin second floor, Hollywood, etc where not real fun. As soon as I sat one or two girls were on my side and tried to grind out some money from me, with the usual questions, like were are u from? What's your name? Who long will you stay? etc. On the dance floor were no pretty girls imho. So, I tried to leave the clubs as soon as possible. Couldn't say that I found one good one in NEP yesterday.
So, I went to Soi Cowboy. Wow, I were in one club which was really outstanding. It was Tilac. It was full and difficult to find a free place. No, waitress asked my what I want to drink, since all were busy. On the dance floor some really hot dancer. It was really relaxing not to be the center of attention and just could enjoy the nice views. So, Tilac was really like an Oasis in a desert. Some of the girls were really stunning, better than everything I saw until now even in the Rainbow bars.
Those real stunning girls were different dressed, than the other girls. They had no numbers. I am not sure, but I thing I saw them before in Spice Club as professional dancers. I guess those girls are either were expensive, or can not be barfined at all. I did not ask the staff, since I just enjoyed the view.
Later tried some other bars in Soi Cowboy, like Baccara, Midnite, Sharks, etc. Not bad but also nothing special.
At the end I took a FL girl from Spice disco, which I didn't regret.
I ask myself how all those bars with less customer and especially all those little street stalls which sell T-Shirts, Throusers etc can survive. Specially those T-Shirt stalls, looks not like a good investment. There are hundreds at Sukhomvit and most likely thousands over all Bangkok which all sell the same kind of T-Shirts. Looks that they don't sell much over the day.
They build up there little stall in the afternoon and dismantle it late at night, maybe not selling on thing. Even when, I guess the profit per T-Shirt can't be high. Poor people indeed.
@Zahle and Mick Licker, of course I do not tape the girls, but of course I check with eyes only. I think in Thailand you will find less curvy girls than in Africa, Europe, or America. Of course in North /Middle Europe and most likely North America nowadays girls became more bolt and less femine.
From Asia, I think that one who like curvy girls find better selection in Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines. I was never in Vietnam so I don't know the situation there, but saw alot of Vietnamese girls in Germany were I usual live. Thailand is of course a great place to spent the holliday. Over all it's the best place imho, just imho it's not as easy to find a curvy Thai girl.
Those stunners I saw yesterday in Tilac were tall and had small waists and round hips. So, really they could have 0.7 ratio between waits and hips, but what they didn't had were round fleshy backsides. Not what you can see in those rap videos.;)
Well Zahle, thank you for the tip, I saw also a very curvy girl in Pattayas Airport Gogo. It's a quite new one in the walking street. Girls outside the bar and the waitresses wear Stewardess dress. Now, you can see that dress in many gogos in Pattaya. In Soi Cowboy the marine look is on vogue. Many gogos have girls at the entrance with that dress.
[QUOTE=DG69]....
Those stunners I saw yesterday in Tilac were tall and had small waists and round hips. So, really they could have 0.7 ratio between waits and hips, but what they didn't had were round fleshy backsides. Not what you can see in those rap videos.;)
Well Zahle, thank you for the tip, I saw also a very curvy girl in Pattayas Airport Gogo. It's a quite new one in the walking street. Girls outside the bar and the waitresses wear Stewardess dress. Now, you can see that dress in many gogos in Pattaya. In Soi Cowboy the marine look is on vogue. Many gogos have girls at the entrance with that dress.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like while I like slim but curvy, you are probably looking for a lot more meat. While I like a 45 kilo girl (50 if taller), perhaps you like 60 kg with big booty.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Sounds like while I like slim but curvy, you are probably looking for a lot more meat. While I like a 45 kilo girl (50 if taller), perhaps you like 60 kg with big booty.[/QUOTE]
You are right, that's my preference. Unfortunatelly in Thailand such girls tend to get chubby and have the kilos on the wrong places. Not at the ass or hips, but around the waists or legs.
[QUOTE=DG69]You are right, that's my preference. Unfortunatelly in Thailand such girls tend to get chubby and have the kilos on the wrong places. Not at the ass or hips, but around the waists or legs.[/QUOTE]
See my MP post pic for a ratio of about 0.65 on a bigger girl but not chubby:
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Please advise me: I arrive at 13. 00 and leave with next flight 20. 00. Any chance for some fun and games in Bangkok in such a period? Would like to go to Eden or Tulip, but. If I have to watch all the time my watch the fun wouldn't be too big. Please advise where to find the nearest assured action near the airport.
Thanx!
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]See my MP post pic for a ratio of about 0.65 on a bigger girl but not chubby: [/QUote]
Well, not bad but you can see the backside is flat.
Have a look at the girls butt at the last and the thired photo. They have a bit flesh, which I prefer. The girl from the last photo was from Philippines.
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Also, the girl on that photo is from the Philippines and her butt was great. Though she was a mixture, some spanish blood involved.
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Well, I need to post some more photos, but I don't like all this resizing of the pictures.;)
[QUOTE=DG69]Well, not bad but you can see the backside is flat.
Have a look at the girls butt at the last and the thired photo. They have a bit flesh, which I prefer. The girl from the last photo was from Philippines.
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Also, the girl on that photo is from the Philippines and her butt was great. Though she was a mixture, some spanish blood involved.
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Well, I need to post some more photos, but I don't like all this resizing of the pictures.;)[/QUOTE]
Well it isn't flat to my taste, taunt and not flabby, but its nothing like a black girl's buns.
Can't tell much from your photos about the butt protrusion as they are not standing in a natural straight position, but I'll have to take your word for it. Bending over doesn't really help in a flat photo medium.
I haven't got the perfect shots either but here is the best I can do for a pretty good well developed bum for my taste, on a dancing student:
(its not too arduous with PIXResizer that somebody posted the link to in Photo Gallery).
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well it isn't flat to my taste, taunt and not flabby, but its nothing like a black girl's buns.
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Well black girl's buns, are also not my preference shape. I know I am complicated. Black girls tends to have asses were you can place a bottle of beer on it when she stand. But, their hips are often small, not the perfectnupside down heart shape, I prefer. Mulatas or Latinas have inho the best butts. Broad, round, bubble butts. Also, nice butts you can find in eastern Europe and middle East.
Well, when I am back in England I will try to post some more photos. Just my private internet is slow (UMTS) since it was too complicated to get broadband in England and I will only stay one year.
Well, to come back to topic, it's possible to find girls with great butts in Thailand also, just the average Thai girl has usually a flat butt. So, it's a challange to chase the one with nice butt, long legs, small waists, round hips and pretty face. I would rate such a girl with at 9 at least. ;)
[QUOTE=DG69]I guess he means the girls are now very eager to get a Lady drink or barfined. It sounds good, but of course it can be a bit awkward, since almost only the ugly girls in the bars will be desperately try to squeeze a lady drink out of you. The pretty ones don't need that.
Checked yesterday some gogos in NEP in which I usuall not go. The Rainbow gogos were full like everyday. The smaller ones Lollipop, Vodoo, Mandarin second floor, Hollywood, etc where not real fun. As soon as I sat one or two girls were on my side and tried to grind out some money from me, with the usual questions, like were are u from? What's your name? Who long will you stay? etc. On the dance floor were no pretty girls imho. So, I tried to leave the clubs as soon as possible. Couldn't say that I found one good one in NEP yesterday.
So, I went to Soi Cowboy. Wow, I were in one club which was really outstanding. It was Tilac. It was full and difficult to find a free place. No, waitress asked my what I want to drink, since all were busy. On the dance floor some really hot dancer. It was really relaxing not to be the center of attention and just could enjoy the nice views. So, Tilac was really like an Oasis in a desert. Some of the girls were really stunning, better than everything I saw until now even in the Rainbow bars.
Those real stunning girls were different dressed, than the other girls. They had no numbers. I am not sure, but I thing I saw them before in Spice Club as professional dancers. I guess those girls are either were expensive, or can not be barfined at all. I did not ask the staff, since I just enjoyed the view.
Later tried some other bars in Soi Cowboy, like Baccara, Midnite, Sharks, etc. Not bad but also nothing special.
At the end I took a FL girl from Spice disco, which I didn't regret.
I ask myself how all those bars with less customer and especially all those little street stalls which sell T-Shirts, Throusers etc can survive. Specially those T-Shirt stalls, looks not like a good investment. There are hundreds at Sukhomvit and most likely thousands over all Bangkok which all sell the same kind of T-Shirts. Looks that they don't sell much over the day.
They build up there little stall in the afternoon and dismantle it late at night, maybe not selling on thing. Even when, I guess the profit per T-Shirt can't be high. Poor people indeed.
@Zahle and Mick Licker, of course I do not tape the girls, but of course I check with eyes only. I think in Thailand you will find less curvy girls than in Africa, Europe, or America. Of course in North /Middle Europe and most likely North America nowadays girls became more bolt and less femine.
From Asia, I think that one who like curvy girls find better selection in Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines. I was never in Vietnam so I don't know the situation there, but saw alot of Vietnamese girls in Germany were I usual live. Thailand is of course a great place to spent the holliday. Over all it's the best place imho, just imho it's not as easy to find a curvy Thai girl.
Those stunners I saw yesterday in Tilac were tall and had small waists and round hips. So, really they could have 0.7 ratio between waits and hips, but what they didn't had were round fleshy backsides. Not what you can see in those rap videos.;)
Well Zahle, thank you for the tip, I saw also a very curvy girl in Pattayas Airport Gogo. It's a quite new one in the walking street. Girls outside the bar and the waitresses wear Stewardess dress. Now, you can see that dress in many gogos in Pattaya. In Soi Cowboy the marine look is on vogue. Many gogos have girls at the entrance with that dress.[/QUOTE]Tilac has coyotees on Fri and Sat. Uite cute, but not really available as the dancers.
Spice has them every day now I think. No normal dancers left anymore. Too bad it went to that extreme!
[QUOTE=DG69]Well black girl's buns, are also not my preference shape. I know I am complicated. Black girls tends to have asses were you can place a bottle of beer on it when she stand. But, their hips are often small, not the perfectnupside down heart shape, I prefer. Mulatas or Latinas have inho the best butts. Broad, round, bubble butts. Also, nice butts you can find in eastern Europe and middle East.[/QUOTE]I think the big problem with the latinos is the hair.... they have hair on their stomach and on their back. In my opinion, the sweetest of all asses belongs to the Thais, Indonesians or Malays. Small and round Mmmm :-) me gusta
I must come to a conclusion on my own experience after many visits NEP and Soi Cowboy regarding BG. The stunning girls are still in great demand even during the economic downturn. Let's face it. There isn't many of the stunner around for a full crowd. That left all the ugly hungry shark to go hunting the customer and I see Hollywood bar and Skoolplay are good. Example. The Rainbows bars girls are somehow less aggressive that leaves me having time to relax and enjoy the show and also pick out the BG. Soi Cowboy BG. Scenes are much less chaotic mode than NEP. I particulary like the Country road bar with all American band music and the pool tables here, a touch of States.
The girl who chose me only push for LT 2000baht and frankly she turned out a real GFE style. We went back to soi Nana for dinner at Busstop and go bar hopping in the NEP. I only made a statement that I was not happy with the ugly sharks who push drinks and lucky balls for nothing in return.
[QUOTE=Tratnguyen1]I must come to a conclusion on my own experience after many visits NEP and Soi Cowboy regarding BG. The stunning girls are still in great demand even during the economic downturn. Let's face it. There isn't many of the stunner around for a full crowd. That left all the ugly hungry shark to go hunting the customer and I see Hollywood bar and Skoolplay are good. Example. The Rainbows bars girls are somehow less aggressive that leaves me having time to relax and enjoy the show and also pick out the BG.[/QUOTE]A couple of years back Rainbow 2 or 3 (I forget which), up the stairs on the left as soon as you come in, was one of the most aggressive bars I ever found with mamasans and bar staff hassling all the time.
Has it improved?
I found the Soi Cowboy bars to be much more relaxed at that time and have hardly been back to NEP. Not really missing the LBs too :)
One day checked out Rainbow 4 but maybe a bit too late in evening and talent was nothing so special at that time.
Bros, . Very sad, . I'm landing at 12 midnight this time and I will need to take the flight back on the same day evening. Will definitely miss EDEN. Whats the best place to monger between 12. 00 midnight and 6. 00 AM? Escorts only option? Or any massage places, Bars, Clubs, HELP!
@Michi, I can confirm that the Coyotee Dancer in Tilac didn't worked yesterday. So, most likely they are only there at weekends. It's a pitty because they were by far the most pretty girls I saw so far in the Gogos in Thailand. In Macati /Philippines I saw similar pretty ones. They are available, but the barfine is extremly high.
Saw some Coyotee dancer in one of the other bars next to Tilac. But, they were by far not so sexy like the Tilac dancer.
@Zahle, not all Latinas are such hairy monster and usually they shave their hairs. Colombia or Venezuela are good examples. Ah, few years ago you could see many Colombian Hookers in Frankfurt. Since about 10 years the immigration department don't let them in, when there is the slightes doubt. So, nowadys you find more eastern Europe chicks in the Frankfurt scene. The Colombian and Venezuelian hookers were great. Great bodies, shaved and in very good shape. They train very hard at steppers.
, or what ever to get nice legs, butts and waists.
@Mick Licker the rainbow bars are not more pushy than the bars in Soi Cowboy. Ok, Tilac is a exception. Tilac seems always full, so no need to get pushed. But, the not busy bars in NEP and also Cowboy are still pushing customer to take a lady.
I think the way girl looks counts better than measurements.
I spent 3 days in BKK last week, very quiet in usually places and Soi22-33 priced high for not much talent. Beergarden a little dead.
I resorted to prior contacts, had a great time: measurements: 33A-26-34, 32B-25-33, 34A-27-36 (girl confesses my old BL told me I have big bum; great shape though). I actually had a great time, they all have hot bodies. The girl with the 32B-25-33 is my favorite but its more about the GFE and fun level. I could go for larger tits but they have to be good shape and feel and plastic is a real turn off.
There was one SW with a slightly fuller figure and great face near Soi 5 on Suk Rd. I had sat with my girl having a drink nearby and my girl went to talk to her - from ChonBuri off bus, little English, probably 18. She took phone number to call if I decided I wanted her to come back with us. You may think that is service for you but my girl made every effort to ensure that I needed nothing extra on last night in town.
[QUOTE=Zahle]You seem to be very specific about the sizes. Theres a girl at Baccara (Soi Cowboy), on the glass floor who always reminds me of Beyounce. I don't remember her number. But I find her very atractive
I'm not sure about the exact size.[/QUOTE]
Gentlemen,
How much should a Taxi from the airport to Sukumwit soi 4 area cost? (Not including tolls and surcharge)
I think I was over charged?? as the meter read 327 Baht not including tolls / surcharge which brought the total close to 450 Baht!
Thanks
[QUOTE=Bearsk]I think the way girl looks counts better than measurements.
I spent 3 days in BKK last week, very quiet in usually places and Soi22-33 priced high for not much talent. Beergarden a little dead.
I resorted to prior contacts, had a great time: measurements: 33A-26-34, 32B-25-33, 34A-27-36 (girl confesses my old BL told me I have big bum; great shape though). I actually had a great time, they all have hot bodies. The girl with the 32B-25-33 is my favorite but its more about the GFE and fun level. I could go for larger tits but they have to be good shape and feel and plastic is a real turn off. ....[/QUOTE]
Seems you are more interested in measurements than most. Many girls might not even know their measurements and I never ask. I have asked about cup size on occasions just so that I become aware of what is A, B, C, and D, and so I can give accurate details in my reports. Perhaps that is your purpose too.
Slim girls with natural D cup must rare as hen's teeth in Thailand but I have found a few slim girls having C cup.
[QUOTE=DG69]Well, not bad but you can see the backside is flat.
Have a lo... [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=600202&postcount=661[/url]
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Well, I need to post some more photos, but I don't like all this resizing of the pictures.;)[/QUOTE]
Great Taste DG69! My kind of girls for sure!!! I am right with you on the black and Columbian girls asses! If the Thai girls could achieve this then you would have paradise without concessions. I had to look long and hard to find girls like this, and sometimes I would spend the whole night just to end up with a last chance chick. It can be really amazing how selective we become once the meat is so plentiful. Right now I would take most any Thai body tonight!!! Thank goodness for my Ghanaian BSW! 25.00 US for FS and no condom!!!!! Her pussy is so tight it could jettison a sausage several yards!
Cheers DG69, and please more PHOTOS of the chicks with the hot faces MAN!!!!!
HB
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]Great Taste DG69! My kind of girls for sure!!! I am right with you on the black and Columbian girls asses! If the Thai girls could achieve this then you would have paradise without concessions. .....
Thank goodness for my Ghanaian BSW! 25.00 US for FS and no condom!!!!! Her pussy is so tight it could jettison a sausage several yards!
Cheers DG69, and please more PHOTOS of the chicks with the hot faces MAN!!!!!
HB[/QUOTE]
So what the ... are you guys doing in Thailand if you you prefer Columbian and black girls? :confused:
I do like Columbian and occasional black girl too but have so far found Columbian girls in Europe to be not quite as GFE as Thai and black girls mostly not pretty enough and tending to flab. I do prefer slim. Did meet one "Halle Berry" look alike but she had far too much attitude.
Also black girls tend to have rough pussy hair if not clean shaven. Some Thais have just a few wisps of the softest fluff.
I only know this because I take then underwear and jeans shopping when i am in town. Robinson's measures them up in metric ... I have applied for the job ... at least on a part time basis.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Seems you are more interested in measurements than most. Many girls might not even know their measurements and I never ask. I have asked about cup size on occasions just so that I become aware of what is A, B, C, and D, and so I can give accurate details in my reports. Perhaps that is your purpose too.
Slim girls with natural D cup must rare as hen's teeth in Thailand but I have found a few slim girls having C cup.[/QUOTE]
Check bags on onward flight. Get boarding pass. Set up flight status report to mobile phone. Taxi to Tulip. Be back in taxi by 1730 or so because of traffic. Done.
[QUOTE=Safariman]Please advise me: I arrive at 13. 00 and leave with next flight 20. 00. Any chance for some fun and games in Bangkok in such a period? Would like to go to Eden or Tulip, but. If I have to watch all the time my watch the fun wouldn't be too big. Please advise where to find the nearest assured action near the airport.
Thanx![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]So what the ... are you guys doing in Thailand if you you prefer Columbian and black girls? :confused:
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As said before, over all Thailand is the best place for a holiday. If Colombia would be as safe, as cheap, as friendly, etc as Thailand, I would go there.
Btw, there are now alot black girls available in Bangkok. In Soi 3, Soi Africa (?) small soi at Soi 3 and between soi 3 and soi 5. Before there were the CIS girls, now the African girls are there. Had not taken one, since she asked for 3500 LT (I asked just because I was curious) and I guess I will not be able to take her to my Hotel, since those girls will not have an ID Card.
Also, alot of African people in Bangkok. Saw yesterday in Chinatown some African girl, who bought alot of stuff. I guess they start a trade like before CIS girls, who traveled to Turky, worked as prostitutes, bought with the money T-Shirts and other stuff, whose they sold in Ukraine or Russia for a little profit. Maybe the African girls do the same. Buy some cheap textile in Chinatown and sell it in Africa for an higher price. Some will say, is not worth the effort, since the flight alone is expensive, but it seems to work.
@Hummer Bird. Seems we made the same experience. I chase often in Discos like Spice, Spicy or Tunnel. In Tunnel I was just once, during the week. Wasn't full, had to wait until 2 pm before some nice chicks arrived, also it was fucking cold there (aircon). At 2 pm there came 3 girls with one guy. Two of the girls were real stunner. One I would rate with 9 or even 9.5. The girls flirted with me, but I thought I sall wait until it get fuller to see what else will be available. Bad decision, the 9.5 girl was taken very quick. The other girl started a conversation with me. She was pretty and tall but a bit to slim for my taste. She workes as a hir dresser in Thonburi (just over the Chaopraya River). Didn't asked for the price. I decided to check Spicy, since Tunnel was still empty. In Spicy was alot action. Mostly young crowd even the Farangs and Indians/Arabs, guess Students or sons from Expats, something like that. Also, alot of CIS girls, there. One of them (I think she was from Tashkent) asked me if I want LT with her. She asked for 100 Dollar, but in the same sentence she said I can have discount. Well, I wasn't interested but guess 2000 or 2500 would be possible.
This night I went home alone. It was 4 pm, I was tired and not more in the mood for sex. But, in the morning after I woke up I just called a girl I knew from Spice Club and so I had a late morning action.
1Ball was in bed with his new Thai girlfriend. After having great sex, she spent the next hour lovingly stroking and licking his penis. Enjoying it, he asked her: 'Why do you love doing that?'
She replied: 'Because I really miss mine'.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]Gentlemen,
How much should a Taxi from the airport to Sukumwit soi 4 area cost? (Not including tolls and surcharge)
I think I was over charged?? as the meter read 327 Baht not including tolls / surcharge which brought the total close to 450 Baht!
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Fare: about 220-250
Toll: 65
Airport surcharge: 50
This is a quick report of 2 quick layovers in BKK. It’s been a while since I got to play here so my objective was to pack as much mongering as possible then limp onto the plane.
I arrived well after midnight and by the time I got checked into Livingstons everyone had gone home. It was during the memorial for the princess. I was too tired to run in circles so I decided to call it a night. This was my first time at Livingstons Lodge. It will not be my last. Guido was still there and he got me a beer and we talked politics till late at night. I will be back to take full advantage of their awesome hospitality.
The next day was a short day before my flight so I decided to head over to Tulips. My original plan was thwarted by the holiday. Tuiips was fun. There were only 2 girls there so not much choice. The girl I got was a bit on the plump side but very fun. Had a short oil rubdown, then many positions, then another rub down. The second session was also a lot of fun. I tried the backdoor which she let me try but she was so tight I didn’t make much progress and went back to doggy. I will try again next time.
A couple days later I was back for a couple hours. I went straight to Eden Club to have a full blown raunchy time. I picked my two girls, one from the left and one from the right that were all smiles but once in the room things just didn’t jive. Eden to me is supposed a no holes barred experience that you drive. One girl was very bossy. Don’t touch here, don’t touch here. It was very mechanical and frankly I got to the point where I wanted it to be over. Oh, they also turned down the lights even when I asked for them to be on. I have been to Eden and Hell club numerous times. This is the first time I left wishing I hadn’t come.
Took a long nap, got some dinner and decided to see what was happening at Nana. OMG it was so quiet. I went into a couple clubs and found myself pretty much bored. Got in a cab and headed to Soi Cowboy. Most of the clubs were slow except for Baccara & Tilac.. I ended up at a small club called Apache Cayote. This is a strange small place where there is a long narrow stage on one side with a bench and tables on the other. 6 girls at a time were dancing nude and shifted to the left after each song. I was beat when I got in and was not ready to be joined yet a sweet looking girl sat by my side. I decided to pass until I got settled in. Soon an absolutely adorable thin girl was dancing. When she got off the stage I called her over. Her name was Pin and had only been in town a month or two. She was a teacher back home. You know the story, got pregnant, boyfriend leaves, mom take care of the baby so girl can make money. I pay bar fine and off we go.
It’s always a gamble whether the girl is fun or not. I was soooo lucky. This girl has GFE. She started a bit shy but we had a blast all night until I had to leave at 3am. I am so sorry to leave her. She would have been a lot of fun to hang around with for a couple days. Oh well. Anyway, if you end up with Pin from Apache Coyote please be nice to her.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]Gentlemen,
How much should a Taxi from the airport to Sukumwit soi 4 area cost? (Not including tolls and surcharge)
I think I was over charged?? as the meter read 327 Baht not including tolls / surcharge which brought the total close to 450 Baht!
Thanks[/QUOTE]Last year it was around 200 every time for a half hour trip. Then you are supposed to add I think 50 according to a slip given for metered taxis at the international airport. Tip extra.
Because these taxis offered no seat belt and drove like maniacs in cars of sometimes questionable condition, I have resorted to taking hotel and airport limos for 500 all included.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]Gentlemen,
How much should a Taxi from the airport to Sukumwit soi 4 area cost? (Not including tolls and surcharge)
I think I was over charged?? as the meter read 327 Baht not including tolls / surcharge which brought the total close to 450 Baht!
Thanks[/QUOTE]
You forgot to make sure he reset the meter first most likely.
I have had to remind them on occasions.
But lucky its not a fortune.
In Lisbon, I had already asked the taxi price at the airport, so I refused to pay him any more than 10 Euros (or 15 I forget) since he had not reset the meter and was already up to many Euros at the airport exit road.
[QUOTE=Piper1]1Ball was in bed with his new Thai girlfriend. After having great sex, she spent the next hour lovingly stroking and licking his penis. Enjoying it, he asked her: 'Why do you love doing that?'
She replied: 'Because I really miss mine'.[/QUOTE]
There's bloody coffee all over my keyboard and up my nose! That was funny.
I'll be arriving Bangers next week Tuesday...may move there in December.
Cheers,
BD
[QUOTE=DeepVoid]
I went straight to Eden Club to have a full blown raunchy time. I picked my two girls, one from the left and one from the right that were all smiles but once in the room things just didn’t jive. Eden to me is supposed a no holes barred experience that you drive. One girl was very bossy. Don’t touch here, don’t touch here. It was very mechanical and frankly I got to the point where I wanted it to be over. Oh, they also turned down the lights even when I asked for them to be on. I have been to Eden and Hell club numerous times. This is the first time I left wishing I hadn’t come.[/QUOTE]
I've never been to Eden (too expensive for my taste) but I believe that the owner guarantees satisfaction or your money back. You might have had a case with this experience.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Fare: about 220-250
Toll: 65
Airport surcharge: 50[/QUOTE]... so go up to Arrivals, cross the road and grab a cab before they are moved on by the police. Offer them 300 Bht (including tolls on the Expressway) and they will bite your arm off.
[QUOTE=DeepVoid]. I went straight to Eden Club to have a full blown raunchy time. I picked my two girls, one from the left and one from the right that were all smiles but once in the room things just didn’t jive. Eden to me is supposed a no holes barred experience that you drive. One girl was very bossy. Don’t touch here, don’t touch here. It was very mechanical and frankly I got to the point where I wanted it to be over. Oh, they also turned down the lights even when I asked for them to be on. I have been to Eden and Hell club numerous times. This is the first time I left wishing I hadn’t come.[/QUOTE]
Most customers are satisfied with the service at Edens but it's not unusual that there are some bad reviews. They have a pay only if you are satisfied policy, you should have stopped the session and let the girls and management know that you were not happy. By taking what the girls dished out, you actually contributed to the poor service you received and perhaps these girls will feel empowered to repeat their act with other customers who are too timid to speak up.
Chatted with this girl online and decided to meet her. She looked really cute in her pic. In person she was so-so. I met her in Khonsan Rd. We want had a few beers at some bar on the street.
We then headed to Gulliver's. Apparently FL work there. She actually told me to be careful and not go with them :) So this place definetly had FLs. I did not find out the going rate. She met her friends there too. Only one was cute who was totally not interested in me. Decided to bail on them at 12:45am.
Headed to Nana Plaza, had a beer at Big Dogs. Met a girl there who asked for bar fine and 2K short time.....hmmmm......
Waited till 2am until the chicks flocked out of Nana. If you have not seen this, it is really a site worth seeing. Could not get the attention of any of the girls.
Walked towards Beer Garden to see if I could get a FL off the street. Picked one up, she said 1K ST adn 2K LT..... asked her for LT.
Headed back to my place which is not far from Nana. Once in the room, she said she was shy, did not want to take a shower together...ugh...bad news.
Got her into the shower with me, took a shower and then onto the bed. She hid under the covers saying she was shy. I tried to kiss her all over to get her aroused. She had the nicest pussy I have seen. Natural never shaved hair. Only hair on top and none on the lips....unfortunately I was really pissed and wanted to get this over with. Put on the cover and banged her mish, asked her to flip and she lay there on her tummy and did not even stick her ass out for doggy...:(
Finally came and then threw her out after paying her 1K.
Hope tonight is better.
-JM
[QUOTE=Mouse1]... so go up to Arrivals, cross the road and grab a cab before they are moved on by the police. Offer them 300 Bht (including tolls on the Expressway) and they will bite your arm off.[/QUOTE]You mean departures.
Btw, PAD just closed Suvarnabhumi airport, interesting to see how this plays out
[QUOTE=Bearsk]Check bags on onward flight. Get boarding pass. Set up flight status report to mobile phone. Taxi to Tulip. Be back in taxi by 1730 or so because of traffic. Done.[/QUOTE]Only trouble: be prepared to have to pay the departure fee of BKK airport of 500TBT to get back into the departure.
But easily possible othertwise.
Did it. Liked it. Will do anytime again given the opportunity.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]Gentlemen,
How much should a Taxi from the airport to Sukumwit soi 4 area cost? (Not including tolls and surcharge)
I think I was over charged?? as the meter read 327 Baht not including tolls / surcharge which brought the total close to 450 Baht!
Thanks[/QUOTE]
You probably paid about $2 too much. is that really worth loosing sleep over?
Hi!
I would be transiting through BKK next month.
In 2006 I had pulled off a good transit fun in Eden. That time I guess it was old Airport and I had 6+ hrs with me. It was comfortable.
How far is Sukhumvit from new Suvarnabhumi Airport? I would had some 5+ hrs with me. Is the traffic predictable these days or still it is bad BKK traffic? Also, I will have to spend 45min-60min for Visa on arrival.
Does anyone think 5+ hrs is enough to go to Eden and come back? (15:00 to 20:30 hrs)
Regards
Purple
[QUOTE=Michi]Only trouble: be prepared to have to pay the departure fee of BKK airport of 500TBT to get back into the departure.
.... but easily possible othertwise.
did it .... liked it .... will do anytime again given the opportunity....[/QUOTE]
The departure tax is now in the ticket. No more having to pay it in cash as you leave.
[QUOTE=Purple 2006]Hi!
I would be transiting through BKK next month.
In 2006 I had pulled off a good transit fun in Eden. That time I guess it was old Airport and I had 6+ hrs with me. It was comfortable.
How far is Sukhumvit from new Suvarnabhumi Airport? I would had some 5+ hrs with me. Is the traffic predictable these days or still it is bad BKK traffic? Also, I will have to spend 45min-60min for Visa on arrival.
Does anyone think 5+ hrs is enough to go to Eden and come back? (15:00 to 20:30 hrs)
Regards
Purple[/QUOTE]
This might help.
Landed at new Airport 1745 Hrs last Sunday
Exit Plane 1800; Direct to Visa on Arrival
Completed Visa and on our way by 1815
Public Metered Taxi to Sukhumvit Soi 11 at 1820
Checked In Hotel at 1850
Taxi Fare 270 Baht plus Tolls on Highway
So if you have 6 hours, you have plenty of time.
Cheers, Fifty Fifty
[QUOTE=Purple 2006]Hi!
I would be transiting through BKK next month.
In 2006 I had pulled off a good transit fun in Eden. That time I guess it was old Airport and I had 6+ hrs with me. It was comfortable.
How far is Sukhumvit from new Suvarnabhumi Airport? I would had some 5+ hrs with me. Is the traffic predictable these days or still it is bad BKK traffic? Also, I will have to spend 45min-60min for Visa on arrival.
Does anyone think 5+ hrs is enough to go to Eden and come back? (15:00 to 20:30 hrs)
Regards
Purple[/QUOTE]
What's all this Visa on Arrival crap?
I just get passport stamped at Immigration.
I presume VISA only required for long stays in Thailand for many Countries.
This web site shows how many days you can stay with no VISA at all:
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/479.0.html[/url]
VISA on arrival required for Countries that would be expected to try to stay in Thailand rather than return to own country LOL ;) (could be any country IMHO)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]What's all this Visa on Arrival crap?
I just get passport stamped at Immigration.
I presume VISA only required for long stays in Thailand for many Countries.
This web site shows how many days you can stay with no VISA at all:
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/479.0.html[/url]
VISA on arrival required for Countries that would be expected to try to stay in Thailand rather than return to own country LOL ;) (could be any country IMHO)[/QUOTE]
Mick -
From your link - "15 = Can enter 15 days as tourists (Visa on arrival)"
Technically we are in the wrong thread here, but here is all the Official Crap on Thailand Visa Requirements
[url]http://www.mfa.go.th/web/2637.php[/url]
It explains the need for Visa on Arrival (Crap) for certain Nationalities.
Cheers, FF
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]What's all this Visa on Arrival crap?
I just get passport stamped at Immigration...[/QUOTE]
Thailand has agreements with several countries allowing the issuance of "visas on arrival" to citizens. When you arrive in Thailand, your passport is stamped with a short term visa, usually 30 days, without the necessity of applying to an Embassy, etc.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Thailand has agreements with several countries allowing the issuance of "visas on arrival" to citizens. When you arrive in Thailand, your passport is stamped with a short term visa, usually 30 days, without the necessity of applying to an Embassy, etc.[/QUOTE]
Yes but for a lot of Countries you just don't need it.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes but for a lot of Countries you just don't need it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're talking about other S.E. Aisa countries, such as Laos, Veitnam, Cambodia, who's citizens can come and go without a visa, just like Americans can visit Canada without a visa.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yeah, you're talking about other S.E. Aisa countries, such as Laos, Veitnam, Cambodia, who's citizens can come and go without a visa, just like Americans can visit Canada without a visa.[/QUOTE]
No, No. Look at the web site I provided.
USA, UK, Australia, Germany France, etc. do not need any VISA for short stays in Thailand.
Being from Australia I can stay 30 days with no VISA.
Some countries only get 15 days with no VISA.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]No, No. Look at the web site I provided.
USA, UK, Australia, Germany France, etc. do not need any VISA for short stays in Thailand.
Being from Australia I can stay 30 days with no VISA.
Some countries only get 15 days with no VISA.[/QUOTE]
A visa is simply your permission to vist Thailand on a temporary basis. There are several different kinds of visas. When immigration stamps your passport at the airport, upon your arrival, that stamp is a visa which grants you permission to stay for 30 days. Americans can get the same. Some other countries get only 15 days with their visa, but it is still a visa.
Look at the stamp -- it says: "VISA" followed by the date you must leave Thailand.
Permission to stay for longer periods of time, and upon different conditions, require a different kind of visa obtained by application to the Thai embassy or consulate in your home country.
The website is misleading in this regard.
Maybe we're arguing semantics here. :)
[QUOTE=Purple 2006]Hi!
I would be transiting through BKK next month.
In 2006 I had pulled off a good transit fun in Eden. That time I guess it was old Airport and I had 6+ hrs with me. It was comfortable.
How far is Sukhumvit from new Suvarnabhumi Airport? I would had some 5+ hrs with me. Is the traffic predictable these days or still it is bad BKK traffic? Also, I will have to spend 45min-60min for Visa on arrival.
Does anyone think 5+ hrs is enough to go to Eden and come back? (15:00 to 20:30 hrs)
Regards
Purple[/QUOTE]
At the times you have traffic can be problematic. You might make Sukhumvit in thirty minutes, you might make it in three hours. One never knows. Especially with the trouble in BKK these days.
Visa on arrivial is usually pretty quick. If you are from the U.S. you just need a stamp in your passport from immigration.
I had to deal with this shit last summer. I was rushing to get out of the states and did not investigate the possibilities about duration/ length of stay. The deal is that if you apply and send in your passport to the Thai Embassy in the USA, you can apply and get a 60 day visa. I do not know the cost, but just look it up.
But if you just arrive in Thailand the only way to extend the visa is to do either a border run to Cambodia and deal with the assholes that work immigration there, or pay a shit-load of Baht (I believe it was around 180.00 dollars). at the Thai immigration and get an extra 15days WHoo HOO!.
Otherwise if your there for a short stay just opt for the free 30 day visa upon arrival!!!
Cheers
HB
So Dude, I guess you're in diplomatic corps?
Tomorrow head to the airport dressed in gold or red and the shy girl from last night may offer to strap something on and return the favor ... if you are lucky.
Pick a SW, accept the risk?
[QUOTE=JoseMarti]Chatted with this girl online and decided to meet her. She looked really cute in her pic. In person she was so-so. I met her in Khonsan Rd. We want had a few beers at some bar on the street.
We then headed to Gulliver's. Apparently FL work there. She actually told me to be careful and not go with them :) So this place definetly had FLs. I did not find out the going rate. She met her friends there too. Only one was cute who was totally not interested in me. Decided to bail on them at 12:45am.
Headed to Nana Plaza, had a beer at Big Dogs. Met a girl there who asked for bar fine and 2K short time.....hmmmm......
Waited till 2am until the chicks flocked out of Nana. If you have not seen this, it is really a site worth seeing. Could not get the attention of any of the girls.
Walked towards Beer Garden to see if I could get a FL off the street. Picked one up, she said 1K ST adn 2K LT..... asked her for LT.
Headed back to my place which is not far from Nana. Once in the room, she said she was shy, did not want to take a shower together...ugh...bad news.
Got her into the shower with me, took a shower and then onto the bed. She hid under the covers saying she was shy. I tried to kiss her all over to get her aroused. She had the nicest pussy I have seen. Natural never shaved hair. Only hair on top and none on the lips....unfortunately I was really pissed and wanted to get this over with. Put on the cover and banged her mish, asked her to flip and she lay there on her tummy and did not even stick her ass out for doggy...:(
Finally came and then threw her out after paying her 1K.
Hope tonight is better.
-JM[/QUOTE]
Sorry ... negotiate the following with PAD ... and be prepared to pay 500THB departure tax.
[QUOTE=Bearsk]Check bags on onward flight. Get boarding pass. Set up flight status report to mobile phone. Taxi to Tulip. Be back in taxi by 1730 or so because of traffic. Done.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Thor93]The departure tax is now in the ticket. No more having to pay it in cash as you leave.[/QUOTE]Yes Thor,
If you are checking in there for stop overs you have to pay again if you left the international zone to the town.
Rgds,
Mike
[QUOTE=Michi]yes Thor, if you are checking in there.
for stop overs you have to pay again if you left the international zone to the town.
Rgds,
Mike[/QUOTE]
Hmm, good point, but where would you pay now? They took away all of the booths that sold them. And as long as you have a boarding pass, how would the checkers know it was not on the ticket. All they look for now is the boarding pass.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]A visa is simply your permission to vist Thailand on a temporary basis. There are several different kinds of visas. When immigration stamps your passport at the airport, upon your arrival, that stamp is a visa which grants you permission to stay for 30 days. Americans can get the same. Some other countries get only 15 days with their visa, but it is still a visa.
Look at the stamp -- it says: "VISA" followed by the date you must leave Thailand.
Permission to stay for longer periods of time, and upon different conditions, require a different kind of visa obtained by application to the Thai embassy or consulate in your home country.
The website is misleading in this regard.
Maybe we're arguing semantics here. :)[/QUOTE]
Yes we are arguing Semantics. But its not really the website that is misleading.
There is a special place at airport to apply for "Visa On Arrival" that requires forms to be filled in and a photo to be provided etc.
There are I believe now 20 Countries that this applies to.
40 priveleged countries like ours, get 30 days without having to go through all this crap as it is assumed we leave as we are supposed to, etc (I don't know the full reasons).
It is officially known as "Tourist VISA Exemption".
Details in this site:
[url]http://www.traveller2000.com/thailand/visa/information.htm[/url]
It would cause confusion to say that just getting your passport stamped is actually "applying for VISA on Arrival".
as this is not the way that official terminology is used.
So I'm sure that Fifty fifty, for example, doesn't actually apply for "VISA on Arrival".
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes we are arguing Semantics. But its not really the website that is misleading.
So I'm sure that Fifty fifty, for example, doesn't actually apply for "VISA on Arrival".[/QUOTE]It’S all a bit confusing sometimes when you read al these so called " VISA " regulations or exemptions. My experience is, when you fill out on your landing or arrival card, the date of your return flight, for example 5 weeks later than arrival date, they give you a 6 weeks tourist Visa Exemption automatically without any questions, this when your passport is from a country under the 30 day rule like for those 40 Country’s list.
From the required documents, they have never asked me: To show my return ticket or even the 4x6 photograph, I never paid any 1000Thb, no evidence of finance etc asked for this as a EEC citizen as Mick mentioned on: [url]http://www.traveller2000.com/Thailand/visa/information.htm[/url]., here it’s 30 day’s for 40 Country’s –
I never had any additional questions from immigration beside the fact that the law here say’s that you must have that " fully paid return ticket " for VISA?
Looks like all these rules do not apply if you go for a " so called temporary VISA "at entry who knows, maybe only ok if no additional investigation on luggage or other suspicious subjects are done.
I arrived many times even twice last year without any return ticket and bought the return one always at Chawla travel at Patong 2 since I did not know in advance where I had to go from BKK. To be honest, I don’t want to take that risk of "no return ticket" anymore if I can avoid it (know guy’s with a bad experience on this one)
On website: [url]http://www.mfa.go.th/web/2637.php[/url] under article 10 " Exemption of Visa requirements " it say’s 90 days for 40 countrys. Law looks different on this site than the previous one.
JE
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes we are arguing Semantics. But its not really the website that is misleading.
There is a special place at airport to apply for "Visa On Arrival" that requires forms to be filled in and a photo to be provided etc.
There are I believe now 20 Countries that this applies to.
40 priveleged countries like ours, get 30 days without having to go through all this crap as it is assumed we leave as we are supposed to, etc (I don't know the full reasons).
It is officially known as "Tourist VISA Exemption".
Details in this site:
[url]http://www.traveller2000.com/thailand/visa/information.htm[/url]
It would cause confusion to say that just getting your passport stamped is actually "applying for VISA on Arrival".
as this is not the way that official terminology is used.
So I'm sure that Fifty fifty, for example, doesn't actually apply for "VISA on Arrival".[/QUOTE]Moving slightly off the subject, does anyone know if there any way for a UK citizen to get something like a long term visa eg for 12 months, that avoids the need for a stamp in the passport? For all sorts of obvious reasons...
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]No, No. Look at the web site I provided.
USA, UK, Australia, Germany France, etc. do not need any VISA for short stays in Thailand.
Being from Australia I can stay 30 days with no VISA.
Some countries only get 15 days with no VISA.[/QUOTE]
You just complete that white card with your details name address flight details and that is your 30 day visa on arrival.
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Moving slightly off the subject, does anyone know if there any way for a UK citizen to get something like a long term visa eg for 12 months, that avoids the need for a stamp in the passport? For all sorts of obvious reasons...[/QUOTE]
This will help you with what you require
[url]www.thaiconsul-uk.com[/url]
Does any one know off hand, what the penalty is for overstaying the 30 day visa period?
What if one overstays because he is in hospital, e.g from having fucked himself half to death?
[QUOTE=Daddy San]Does any one know off hand, what the penalty is for overstaying the 30 day visa period?
What if one overstays because he is in hospital, e.g from having fucked himself half to death?[/QUOTE]
I did it once. (Overstay the VISA exemption period). There is a fine per day of overstay that is steepish, 1000 Baht or more per day (I forget exact number).
[QUOTE=John Euro]...
On website: [url]http://www.mfa.go.th/web/2637.php[/url] under article 10 " Exemption of Visa requirements " it say’s 90 days for 40 countrys. Law looks different on this site than the previous one.
JE[/QUOTE]
Here is the quote direct from that site:
"According to the Interior Ministerial Announcements dated 1 October B.E. 2545 (2002), 20 December B.E. 2545 (2002), 18 October B.E. 2547 (2004) and 6 May B.E. 2548 (2005), passport holders from 40 countries and 1 special administrative region – Hong Kong SAR – [b]are not required to obtain a visa [/b]when entering Thailand for tourism purposes and will be permitted to stay in the Kingdom for a period of [b]not exceeding 30 days[/b] on each visit. "
Then the 40 countries are listed.
[quote=mouse1]moving slightly off the subject, does anyone know if there any way for a uk citizen to get something like a long term visa eg for 12 months, that avoids the need for a stamp in the passport? for all sorts of obvious reasons...[/quote]
mouse1,
i think you are somewhat stuffed. passports always get stamped.
one option that is not very legal is to have two passports.
i once lost my passport, got a new one, and then the old still unexpired turned up again. at this time it was possible for me to use one passport hidden away but have the other one findable for prying eyes without all those trips to thailand.
but once the authorities notice (probably won't as long as you are consistent), the older passport will be confirep001ed and destroyed immediately, as officially its invalidated by the new one. but thailand won't know you have a new one if you have never used it in thailand :)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
There is a special place at airport to apply for "Visa On Arrival" that requires forms to be filled in and a photo to be provided etc.
There are I believe now 20 Countries that this applies to.
So I'm sure that Fifty fifty, for example, doesn't actually apply for "VISA on Arrival".[/QUOTE]
Correct, Fifty Fifty is a Brit and fills in the 'White Form' just like you do. He then gets his Passport stamped with a 30 day Exemption Visa on arrival.
However, on this occasion Fifty is travelling with his Kazakh Girlfriend, who needs to apply for a 'Visa on Arrival' at the airport.
Having filled in the 'Visa on Arrival' application form (on the plane) she then presented herself at the 'Visa on Arrival' Desk, along with a Photo and the Fee of 1000 THB - Less than 10 minutes later she has a Visa for 15 days.
Now we both have 'Visas' in our passports and are both in LOS having a ball.
Cheers, FF
[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Correct, Fifty Fifty is a Brit and fills in the 'White Form' just like you do. He then gets his Passport stamped with a 30 day Exemption Visa on arrival.
However, on this occasion Fifty is travelling with his Kazakh Girlfriend, who needs to apply for a 'Visa on Arrival' at the airport.
Having filled in the 'Visa on Arrival' application form (on the plane) she then presented herself at the 'Visa on Arrival' Desk, along with a Photo and the Fee of 1000 THB - Less than 10 minutes later she has a Visa for 15 days.
Now we both have 'Visas' in our passports and are both in LOS having a ball.
Cheers, FF[/QUOTE]
Yes. Now you have made clear the distinction between the two variations, and how long it takes (even better).
Hope she hasn't been cramping your style too much ;)
[QUOTE=Thor93]Hmm, good point, but where would you pay now? They took away all of the booths that sold them. And as long as you have a boarding pass, how would the checkers know it was not on the ticket. All they look for now is the boarding pass.[/QUOTE]The boarding pass not printed there.
I had to pay at the Thai counter directly.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Mouse1,
One option that is not very legal is to have two passports.
[/QUOTE]
It is not against the law to have two passports. (even valid ones) In most countries it is only illegal to enter and attempt to depart on different ones.
Post 9/11 protocol involves electronically invalidating a lost or stolen passport.
It is understandable in terms of the stamp, but once scanned you are on record forever now; shared with most all countries with direct flights between them. (and others) Consider if you can do it, so can the truly bad guys.
Guys, I will embark on my annual pilgrimage to LOS next Friday. As of now the airport is still closed and there are rumours about a pending coup. Can somebody please provide an update on the situation down there? Is it business as usual?
So imagine that you tell your spouse your off for a business trip to HK. China wherever. But in fact you plan a few days of chasing pussy in BKK. As we all might do from time to time.
You have your schedule nicely worked out, and are sure the spouse won't notice. Then you rrive at BKK airport and realise that you can't get out.
Somwwhere amongst the guy now having a prolonged and enforced stay in BKK are guys who are now creating excuse upon excuse as to why they can't come home this weekend from their HK trip.
Of course there are also some guys who are saying wow. Another few days in BKK. How really really awful NOT!
[QUOTE=Hedonist]Guys, I will embark on my annual pilgrimage to LOS next Friday. As of now the airport is still closed and there are rumours about a pending coup. Can somebody please provide an update on the situation down there? Is it business as usual?[/QUOTE]
What will you do if the airport continues to be closed? Got a Plan B?
[QUOTE=Wendella]What will you do if the airport continues to be closed? Got a Plan B?[/QUOTE]
Easy, one can always fly to Phuket, Chiangmai... and then take the train or bus... stoping every 200 km or so for a taste of Local Pussy
[QUOTE=Nauskas]It is not against the law to have two passports. (even valid ones) In most countries it is only illegal to enter and attempt to depart on different ones.
Post 9/11 protocol involves electronically invalidating a lost or stolen passport.
It is understandable in terms of the stamp, but once scanned you are on record forever now; shared with most all countries with direct flights between them. (and others) Consider if you can do it, so can the truly bad guys.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I don't fancy going down the route of 2 passports, as could lead to a lot of problems, and in view of the nature of my job, certain loss of employment...
My wife knows that I fly on Thai Airways and make a stopover there, but does not normally know for just how long. On my last visit I bought some ink stamps from MBK which I use to blur the date on my visa stamp, although I guess that I can only do this for so long! My previous passport was chock full of visa stamps so not too obvious, but now I have a more limited itinerary the Thailand date stamps seem to leap out at me!
[QUOTE=Hedonist]Guys, I will embark on my annual pilgrimage to LOS next Friday. As of now the airport is still closed and there are rumours about a pending coup. Can somebody please provide an update on the situation down there? Is it business as usual?[/QUOTE]
No, it is most certainly not business as usual. You will in all probability not be able to come to the country, even if you want to. It is advisable, in my opinion, to change your trip to the Philippines (Angeles City), or possibly Cambodia (the best way into the latter now is through Kuala Lumpur, though those flights may be full now). Or possibly cancell altogether and delay travel.
I just heard from an official from China Airlines that they are organizing flights from Chang Mai to Europe (in my case to Amsterdam).
[QUOTE=Fslag338]I just heard from an official from China Airlines that they are organizing flights from Chang Mai to Europe (in my case to Amsterdam).[/QUOTE]True. My flight from Italy next tuesday has been diverted to CM.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]So imagine that you tell your spouse your off for a business trip to HK. China wherever. But in fact you plan a few days of chasing pussy in BKK. As we all might do from time to time.
You have your schedule nicely worked out, and are sure the spouse won't notice. Then you rrive at BKK airport and realise that you can't get out.
Somwwhere amongst the guy now having a prolonged and enforced stay in BKK are guys who are now creating excuse upon excuse as to why they can't come home this weekend from their HK trip.
Of course there are also some guys who are saying wow. Another few days in BKK. How really really awful NOT![/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing. If you were not supposed to be there, you are in big trouble. You better take the first train south to KL that you can.
On the other hand if you are legally there on business and on the expense account, it could actually be a good thing.
My fear though is that this standoff is very likely to get nasty and dangerous. I don't see PAD backing down and peacefully leaving the airport. At some point though, someone has to go in there and get them out. If they don't go peacefully, the airport could be damaged and out of commision for some time.
[QUOTE=JoseMarti]Chatted with this girl online and decided to meet her. She looked really cute in her pic. In person she was so-so. I met her in Khonsan Rd. We want had a few beers at some bar on the street.
We then headed to Gulliver's. Apparently FL work there. She actually told me to be careful and not go with them :) So this place definetly had FLs. I did not find out the going rate. She met her friends there too. Only one was cute who was totally not interested in me. Decided to bail on them at 12:45am.
Headed to Nana Plaza, had a beer at Big Dogs. Met a girl there who asked for bar fine and 2K short time.....hmmmm......
Waited till 2am until the chicks flocked out of Nana. If you have not seen this, it is really a site worth seeing. Could not get the attention of any of the girls.
Walked towards Beer Garden to see if I could get a FL off the street. Picked one up, she said 1K ST adn 2K LT..... asked her for LT.
Headed back to my place which is not far from Nana. Once in the room, she said she was shy, did not want to take a shower together...ugh...bad news.
Got her into the shower with me, took a shower and then onto the bed. She hid under the covers saying she was shy. I tried to kiss her all over to get her aroused. She had the nicest pussy I have seen. Natural never shaved hair. Only hair on top and none on the lips....unfortunately I was really pissed and wanted to get this over with. Put on the cover and banged her mish, asked her to flip and she lay there on her tummy and did not even stick her ass out for doggy...:(
Finally came and then threw her out after paying her 1K.
Hope tonight is better.
-JM[/QUOTE]
Interesting.... I met a girl online a couple months ago when I was in BKK, I met her using DIA website. She also liked to go to Gulliver's on Khaoshiung Rd. I never went to Khaoshiung road before so she met me in Gullivers near Nana the next night, then we headed over to Gullivers on Kaoshiung later that night, we soent a couple hours playing pool and dancing downstairs.
I had to fly very early the next morning, so I said I need to go back to my room. She never asked if I wanted ST or LT or anything else, so I didn't know what was going to happen. We found me a cab and she asked If I wanted her to go, of course I said yes. We went to my room, we showered and did the dirty deed. I had to leave for the airport 90 minutes after we finished, so I slept for a little bit and got ready to leave. She still didn't say anything about money. It felt like an akward position,.. if I give her money for sex it might offend her if she doesn't do such things, but if she did want money and didn't give her some, who knows what would happen. I was on my last moments in Thailand so I decided to give her 1,500 Baht and said here, use this to get a passport and I'll buy you a plane ticket to see me in Bahrain (on my way moving there). No visa needed for Thai people. She never did get a passport, but after a couple months she says send her money for passport and she will get one, and she did. I bought her a ticket and she got here about a week ago. She'll stay about 7 weeks. I'll attach a pic, no nuddies, sorry.
I'm not sure how you can't get attention standing in front of Nana at 2AM.
The easiest way is walk across the street to Nana hotel, girls just stand there waiting for a sexy man, or should I say, a man with money. I got a good looking one, she asked 1,500 Baht ST, then I pointed to the Dynasty Inn across the street and said my hotel is over there, I'll give you 1,000. She took the offer.
Oh... also with the BKK airport closed, I know of some Thai ladies here that were supposed to go home, but are stuck here in Bahrain.
[QUOTE=Gagoo]Interesting.... I met a girl online a couple months ago when I was in BKK, I met her using DIA website. She also liked to go to Gulliver's on Khaoshiung Rd. I never went to Khaoshiung road before so she met me in Gullivers near Nana the next night, then we headed over to Gullivers on Kaoshiung later that night, we soent a couple hours playing pool and dancing downstairs.[/QUOTE]
"Khaoshiung' looks like some place in China. Thai names don't have a "sh" sound at all.
You must mean "Khao San" road. I see the previous guy spelt it rather wrong too. There is no perfect spelling in English but we can get close sometimes.
It sounds like "Cow Sarn" for English speakers.
Incidentally "Khao Saan" means "Plain milled white rice".
This web site shows how to pronounce it:
[url]http://www.thai-language.com/id/207320[/url]
Good place for teenagers and hippies with not much money.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]It sounds like "Cow Sarn" for English speakers.[/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha yes, many cows at Khao San... the "Braided" type. :D
[QUOTE=Hedonist]Guys, I will embark on my annual pilgrimage to LOS next Friday. As of now the airport is still closed and there are rumours about a pending coup. Can somebody please provide an update on the situation down there? Is it business as usual?[/QUOTE]The airports in BKK are still closed, but there are other ways to enter and exit the city and cuntry.
A coup is possible, but nothing to worry about, and my guess is that a reelection is more likely.
Now is an excellent time to cum as far as the ladies are concerned. Their business is so bad I am suddenly getting phone calls from girls I hadn't seen or contacted in a month or two. It hasn't been that hard to pick up a bargain priced stunner or two. And service seems to have improved as well.
[QUOTE=Thor93]I was thinking the same thing. If you were not supposed to be there, you are in big trouble. You better take the first train south to KL that you can.[/QUOTE]
One of my execs from KL justed emailed me - he caught the bus to Hat-yai (20 hrs) and then connected to another bus to KL, arriving 4 am.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234] . . . he caught the bus to Hat-yai (20 hrs)[/QUOTE]From Bkk? It's 12 hours, 13 at most.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]One of my execs from KL justed emailed me - he caught the bus to Hat-yai (20 hrs) and then connected to another bus to KL, arriving 4 am.[/QUOTE]I had to take a bus to Hatyai about 11 months (last days of December) ago because all flights were full for several days. If you take a bus, don't forget earplugs. The music they play on buses are nothing short of torture. 12 hours is about right. The only problem was that at the southern bus station, due to the shortage of seats they added extra buses and it was a complete chaos.
Yesterday was stranded in BKK :( Very depressing...
1) Woke up had two shots with the TGF...
2) Afternoon went shopping at MBK and Paragon, ended up dropping more baht... but told the TGF I had a meeting but was really meeting up with a mate to head to Tulip but had some bags of items... so called the tgf to come meet me to taxi the items back home... such a bastard I am.
3) Went and had a two shot afternoon at tulip, just not enough time 2 hours for me as I like to eat for a long time as well....
4) Went back to MBK with my mate and meet up with the TGF there.
5) Went for a regular massage for which was so tired ended falling asleep and missing half the massage.... DAMN hate when that happens.
6) Went home had the TGF cook dinner in the room.
7) And ended up the evening with a three shot three some.
Now this is how to get stranded in BKK.... :D However... things are getting dicey at home, have to get out of here sometime...
Oh... forgot to mention my two shots this morning before writing this... :D
Air Asia, flies out of Chang Mai to Kuala Lumpur (connection) to Macau or Hong Kong. Macau ferry to Hong Kong. That's the way out, if you can get to Chang Mai from Bangkok.
Gyaos.
[QUOTE=Betong]From Bkk? It's 12 hours, 13 at most.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he meant total 20 hrs from Bkk to Hatyai to KL???
Yesterday, outside Bangkok's international airport, a Bangkok police checkpoint was overrun by a group of the PAD demonstrators. The police retreated, leaving behind their shields, and one policeman was even captured by PAD. Last night I watched the video of him behind forced into a vehicle. Of course, the military does not want to have the responibility of being a tool of the government, so they say they do not plan to take part in dispersion of the demonstators. My opinion is the army is more likely to take part in dispersion of the government. The army chief has made subtle suggestions that the PM resign.
It's 10 AM Sunday morning here in Bangkok, and I don't see this getting resolved for quite some time. The PM doesn't seem to want to resign. Don't know if that really would be the best outcome. Whatever, I can't wait any longer. I have just paid for a bus trip to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. I get picked up at 4:30, and should arrive tomorrow night at 11PM. Hopefully Tuesday morning I can catch a flight to Singapore, then back to the U.S.
Yesterday I took a taxi out to U-tapao airport, and it was mayhem out there. Stayed for maybe 90 minutes and resolved nothing, got a return taxi.
This is from this mornings Bangpost.com website
"Almost 100,000 foreign tourists are still unable to return home, but the number of passengers stranded by the closure of Suvarnabhumi airport may double or triple if the situation is prolonged"
At this point would like to know if any one has any tips on the bus trip, or best way to get the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore, or any other issue on immigration, money, food.
Hopefully next time, I would have planned this ahead of time instead of having it forced on me. I'd have preferred taking the storied Oriental Express train.
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I had my long awaited trip to bkk planned in a week and this closure / coup thing is a huge bummer. Any local / long time visitor members have opinions into whether phuket or CM will be any safer to fly to instead? I am thinking of changing my plans to Phillipines or somewhere else instead.
I would think Phuket is safer.Its people are slightly different Thai Chinese who
used to speak a dialect called Hokkien.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Maybe he meant total 20 hrs from Bkk to Hatyai to KL???[/QUOTE]Either that or he included the time for a long layover at the Chao Phraya IV massage emporium, something I'd recommend for anyone passing through Hatyai!
Went over to Soi Cowboy last night to see if it was busy at all due to the local morons hijacking the airport. It was fairly quiet in some bars, but Baccara was still hopping with Japanese tourists and businessmen. Across the road there was a cutie out in front of "Our Place" who I chatted to for a few minutes. Barfine was 500 baht but she wanted 2,000 for ST and 4,000 for LT. "Good luck" I told her and walked off. Who knows, maybe some idiot will pay it.
Walked into Suzie Wong's. I had been here a few hours before and it was completely dead, and at 2 am it was no different, however, there were still plenty of girls about. I thought that with the airport closure and the lack of customers, I might get a discount. I was right. A cutie named "Gai" agreed to go with me ST for 1000 baht if I paid the barfine. I normally never pay the barfine (usually have the girl meet me the next day before work), but she was cute and it was a reasonable price. Paid the barfine and off we went. Got to my apartment and it was obvious she was a little drunk and horny as hell. I'm not going to go into much descriptive detail here, but let's just say that my ass was clean as a whistle when she was through. She also didn't want to use a condom, but after a scare I had a few months back I always insist now. She slept for a few hours and then said she had to leave, but not before giving me a BBBJ. Unfortunately she only gave me one for about 2 minutes and then left, leaving me with a hard-on, so I had to finish myself off! Oh well -- nice girl, but she wouldn't let me take pictures.
Once you are in KL it is an easy bus ride to Singapore, Jalan Pudu bus station, close to Chinatown. Good food, a few reasonable hotels and pussy of all qualities in the vicinity - ask our brothers on the KL forum.
For me, bus to Singapore from KL is easier and cheaper than the flight. About 300km on good highway and buses are comfortable even if you are tall. When you factor in the trip out to the airport and check in times it isn't that much slower than the flight. Will take about 5 hours total. Bus tickets can be bought in advance. Turning up on spec. is usually OK but I guess in the present situation demand is high.
Hardcore mongers might also prefer to ride to JB (just over the causeway from Singapore) and take local transport to Singapore after a little exploring.
There are also buses from Hat Yai all the way to SIN and JB. Never having ridden the whole stretch I'll leave it for others to advise.
For anyone arriving Singapore without lodgings, Geylang (the mongers paradise) is a good bet for cheaper rooms. Even when the downtown hotels are full or crazy prices, you should be ok without pre booking. Cheap food and plenty of entertainment ;)
Hotel 81, Fragrance all have many outlets in the vicinity and there are quite a number of independent hotels. Should be able to get a decent room for around S$70 and a basic bunk for quite a bit less. Geylang thread for much more info.
Every cloud has a silver lining. Reports in five different sections here. BKK-Hat Yai-KL-JB-Geylang, sort of trip a monger would make for fun!
[QUOTE=Papae Noel]
...
It's 10 AM Sunday morning here in Bangkok, and I don't see this getting resolved for quite some time. The PM doesn't seem to want to resign. Don't know if that really would be the best outcome. Whatever, I can't wait any longer. I have just paid for a bus trip to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. I get picked up at 4:30, and should arrive tomorrow night at 11PM. Hopefully Tuesday morning I can catch a flight to Singapore, then back to the U.S.
.....
At this point would like to know if any one has any tips on the bus trip, or best way to get the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore, or any other issue on immigration, money, food.
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Being the cheap bastard that I am, I was just wondering if the airport crisis is having any affect on ST / LT rates in places like Soi Cowboy?
At Soi Cowboy after some negotiations I usually can get 1500 for ST and 2000 for LT. Bar Fine is 600, although the other night a place in Soi Cowboy was asking for 700 BF (which I declined).
Also, are the girls providing better service?
Any info would be helpful, thanks.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Maybe he meant total 20 hrs from Bkk to Hatyai to KL???[/QUOTE]
Great staff management. You look well-equipped to ride out the economic crisis :D. ps: Hope the golf handicap doesn't go up.
Maybe a day late but to the poster (or others) wanting to know about flights KL to Singapore. There are currently about 20 a day on either SQ or MH and about 3 a day now on Air Asia.
If you get a ticket they are basically interchangeable so if miss one flight or want to change form one carrier to another very simple.
Flight is 50 mins.
Good luck to those stuck in BKK. Tho I can't think of a worse place to be stuck
" Honey. The airport is closed and I can't get out of this city. I might be stuck be here at least another week. " grins grins grins.
BBBJ - Thai economic law of supply and demand - oversupply of product - lower sales - make up for it by raising prices
LESS farang taking poo-ying, raise barfines and tell the poo-ying to raise their expected level of compensation as well.
Thai law of supply and demand :)
[quote=hummer bird]
by the way anybody wonder how these little girls can take such large dicks and in such large quantities w/o even a peep of true complaining. my ex always bitched when i slammed her hard and she was a much larger lady. i often have us girls put their hand on my tummy so as to stop me from penetrating too deeply, but the thai girls do not put these kind of restrictions!!!!! they also do not freak out as much on getting their ass banged!
cheers
hb
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moved from pattaya reports
i have always wondered this myself. i have seen 5'0"/90 lb asian girls take 9-10" and never flinch while others scream out when 6" hits bottom. may be it's the angle of penetration.
slim
[QUOTE=Nvslim]Moved from Pattaya Reports
I have always wondered this myself. I have seen 5'0"/90 lb Asian girls take 9-10" and never flinch while others scream out when 6" hits bottom. May be it's the angle of penetration.
Slim[/QUOTE]
The cervix/uterus of many Thai girls can be only 4-5 inches from the opening. Easy to find it when sticking a finger in and I don't have 9-10 inch fingers.
Now it depends which way up she is, how much her uterus sticks/hangs out into the vagina, how hard you crash it or whether you just slide past, and whether she is used to it.
The girl may be skilled enough to position herself or move in such a way as to minimise the crashing into uterus mouth.
Some girls get bruised and bleed quite easily, yes Thai girls.
Now even if Slim has a 9-10 inch (LOL perhaps its only the dildo that is 9-10 inch), his knob will be well past the cervix (which is not at the very end).
So massive dicks is not very relevant. But a very short one might not go near it.
Anyway I feel sorry for guys with a ten inch as they will never be able to get it all in there.
I would like to fuck with most of my dick, not just 60% of it.
BTW When girls stuff themselves with a sponge to hide that its their period, your finger will find that too and you will quickly realise that not much dick is going to get in there today.
In this event I insist the sponge be taken out or else I need to cancel. A 3-4 inch long pussy is useless to me.
So was in BKK and got out 2 days before the airport blockade. Phew. So on my last nite went to CM2 since there are a few hotties there and I was also on the lookout for European ladies. Have had a great turkish girl there once before. This time got there at 10. They were still to open, so got a foot massage at a place across. Lots of cute young thai girls there.
Hit CM2 back at 11 pm. It had started to fill up. By 12 it was packed with a million hotties. A bunch of hot turkish women occupied one table next to the pool table. Finally went and chatted with one hottie. She was Armenian and was gyrating rather sexily to the music and I was hooked. 2500 ST and off we went.
Got to the hotel had a drink and she put on some turkish music on her phone and let loose. Incredible BJ followed by me working on her 'G-spot' with my fingers and she went nuts (got a video so will try to do a video capture at some point). Then it was me on top and doggie. Along with a finger up the ass. Spectacular she kept screaming 'jaanam' which meant darling almost like a bollywood actress. Phew. She was to leave for Armenia on the 27th for good (to get married) so I guess she is still stuck there. Go find her at CM2 while you can.
The vagina naturally gets elongated with sexual stimulus. This is why pre-coital foreplay is very much required with some asian girls.
On the other hand asian girls do not complain much because of the nature of their upbringing to please a man. Many of them will say there is pain in thai.
Thai word for pain is "chep".
I had a Thai gf who was a virgin and for a long time I knew I was hurting her but she never complained much and always was ready whenever I wanted.
I guess if you are well endowed be gentle with asian girls.
I know many asian girls will avoid farangs and will go with only asian men.
[QUOTE=Sammon]
Thai word for pain is "chep".
[/QUOTE]
Actually for English speakers its "Jep" (first letter Jor Jaan)
เจ็บ (jep) means "hurts" (verb) or "to experience pain"
"bpuat" means to "to expereince an ache or discomfort" sort of pain, but still can be strong pain.
Hello all,
I am new to this forum and have been thinking about traveling to Thailand for quite some time now. I found this escort service called Bangkok Girls where they offer a special service of sex w/o a condom after all parties meet at a medical center to be checked out. I know STD can lay dormant about a month before being able to be picked up by a test, but I was wondering if anyone knew about this practice? Is it safe cause we're going to a medical center to be tested? Are other escort agencies offering this cause this was the only one I found that offered this special service?
Any information anyone can offer would be great. Thanks,
Will
I reckon its in the bar girls lesson 1.01 - cry, whimper, say it hurts and it'll generally be over quicker.
My friend in Bkk tells me that a certain percentage of blokes get off on the perceived "pain" whether they want to or not! Its all in the timing
Ozirob
[QUOTE=Zapme]So was in BKK and got out 2 days before the airport blockade. A bunch of hot turkish women occupied one table next to the pool table. Finally went and chatted with one hottie. She was Armenian and was gyrating rather sexily to the music and I was hooked. 2500 ST and off we went.
(got a video so will try to do a video capture at some point). .[/QUOTE]What was the name of the girl? Can you post the picture.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Will Riker]Hello all,
I am new to this forum and have been thinking about traveling to Thailand for quite some time now...[/QUOTE]Already posted some time ago in the "Safe sex" thread.
[post]817320[/post]
In my humble opinion, it is certainly not a "safe sex" practice as you can't be certain what STD (not limited to HIV/AIDS) may have their previous customers. It's just a little bit safer than to go bareback with a hooker whom you don't know her recent STD/HIV health status, but still way riskier than "covered" sex.
[QUOTE=Will Riker]Hello all,
I am new to this forum and have been thinking about traveling to Thailand for quite some time now. I found this escort service called Bangkok Girls where they offer a special service of sex w/o a condom after all parties meet at a medical center to be checked out.[/QUOTE]
ALL STOP. Sex without a condom is never safe in this environment. She could pass an AIDS test today, and appear positive next week. Please do not do it.
[QUOTE=Will Riker]Hello all,
I am new to this forum and have been thinking about traveling to Thailand for quite some time now. I found this escort service called Bangkok Girls where they offer a special service of sex w/o a condom after all parties meet at a medical center to be checked out. I know STD can lay dormant about a month before being able to be picked up by a test, but I was wondering if anyone knew about this practice? Is it safe cause we're going to a medical center to be tested? Are other escort agencies offering this cause this was the only one I found that offered this special service?
Any information anyone can offer would be great. Thanks,
Will[/QUOTE]
Just wondering. How old are you? and where have you been living for the last decade? and oh, one more thing, in what school grade are you in?
Just get in touch with Opebo. You will have a great mentor to guide you.
Don't mean to flame, but in my books people asking such questions shouldn't be allowed to monger.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
Now it depends which way up she is, how much her uterus sticks/hangs out into the vagina, how hard you crash it or whether you just slide past, and whether she is used to it.
The girl may be skilled enough to position herself or move in such a way as to minimise the crashing into uterus mouth.
[/QUOTE]
Not that massive but I have bottomed out a couple of time.
Had one older Pinay BG who had had a couple of kids but was very GFE. Strangest thing happened when I was deep stroking. The head of my cock entered her uterine opening. It felt great, like she had a pussy inside her pussy. Only time it's ever happened.
Slim
[QUOTE=Will Riker]
I found this escort service called Bangkok Girls where they offer a special service of sex w/o a condom after all parties meet at a medical center to be checked out.
Will[/QUOTE]
Any time you have sex without a condom you are taking a much greater risk than without a condom. The issue is what's your risk tolerance?
In my view the Bangkok Girls special service is just a big scam. The cost of 40,000 Bhat is a complete scam. If you really wanted to have sex without a condom don't do it with a random stranger. Find a girl you click with and have great sex with a condom. Then if you really want do take the condom off, go to a local hospital and both get a STD/HIV test. I think the cost would be like 400 Bhat not 40,000 Bhat. Of course there is an period of time where both of you could be infected but not yet show on the test. That's a risk you are both going to have take.
When I go to Thailand I have to make a concerted effort keep the condom on. A lot of these girls will want you come faster and sometimes ask if you want to like to take the condom off. They just don't care. They've probably done it 200 times and nothing bad has happened so they are used it. The issue is about you. If you want to keep yourself in the game you don't want to get to a point of "GAME OVER" because you took that stupid risk to just blow you cum up some hookers pussy. I think BBBJ CIM is far better risk reward than BBFS. If you can get BBBJ CIM why even think about BBFS.
I found that the Trojan Polyurethane condoms are the best for sensation. In fact I've had sudden rush of fear when either I think the condom has broken or fallen off only to find it still doing it's job. Polyurethane transfers heat a lot better than Latex so your dick doesn't overheat. The issue with Polyurethane is they don't stretch that well and you have to be more careful about pulling out after cumming if your dick starts to loose it's blood flow. Also I don't know how extensive the testing is compared to Latex. I don't think Trojan would be selling them at Walmart if there were any issue in not blocking the HIV virus. I've heard that Polyurethane condoms may be more susceptible to breakage but that is another risk.
[QUOTE=Mr_Hoffy]...If you want to keep yourself in the game you don't want to get to a point of "GAME OVER" because you took that stupid risk to just blow you cum up some hookers pussy...[/QUOTE]
Best advice for anyone playing here. Read Giotto's story too if you haven't already...
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Cheers,
F2
[QUOTE=Wendella]What will you do if the airport continues to be closed? Got a Plan B?[/QUOTE]Have seen quite a few reports about ways to get around Thailand and out of the country without flying. Reminded me of quite a few years ago when I had some fun in BKK and then flew down to Krabi for some beach relaxtion. Railay Beach, Phi Phi and Phuket for more fun! Tried to get a flight to KL but couldn't so took a minibus back to Krabi and spent a few nights before minibus again to Hat Yai. Then motorcycle taxi to a big coach bus for the ride to KL. Spent a few days there but couldn't partake in any activities since I was with some friends. Then the coach bus again to Sing. All in all it was a long day of bus rides from Krabi to KL but it was worth it in the end.
I'm supposed to be in BKK for some work and fun in about a month's time. Hoping things get resolved soon since I am so looking forward to my "free time" in BKK.
AF
[QUOTE=Mr_Hoffy]... go to a local hospital and both get a STD/HIV test. I think the cost would be like 400 Bhat not 40,000 Bhat. [/QUOTE]The cost of one HIV rapid test is even cheaper: 300 baht at your nearest public hospital (that's what I paid less than 2 months ago). Results were given within the hour.
Condom or not this has been discussed many times before.
Lets get back to Bangkok.
I wonder when flights will revert back?
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]I wonder when flights will revert back?[/QUOTE]December 15th by the latest news. The government is disbanded but the airports won't open for two weeks due to the damage caused by PAD.
This estimate may change though.
After going to Pattaya, my views on BKK have always been "it is too bloody expensive" and avoided the place as far as possible.
But on the 26th Nov I had to go there to meet a friend for a flight on 27th to Philippines. This is where it all went wrong, my friend was stuck in Dubai and CP flight was cancelled due to the PAD demonstrations at BKK Airport. But this gave me another chance to explore Bangkok.
My first stop was Soi 33 and into Livingstones. I had stayed here before in 2006 where I took advantage of his current offer of 5 nights for price of 4. I explained that my trip would be split 4 nights on way in, one night on way home, he agreed. On my return stay he still charged me for room. So that pissed me off anyway!
But I thought I would give it a go for a drink, and see what the totty was like. On my last visit I could never understand how a place could get away or even survive charging 1500bth bar fine, so I asked one of the girls how much the bar fine was now. Yep still 1500bth!
It beats me who would pay such a price when 200 mtr down the road you can get a girl away for 500bth. It would be more understandable if the girls were above average, but for me they were all a bit pom poi. Anyway all to there own, I suppose some people like being overcharged, it makes them look special!
We had a beer and put my name down for game of pool! One of the girls brought a que over and asked for 30 bth. My reply
"how much! "
"30 bth Sir. "
"No I don’t feel like playing anymore"
The next name on list also declined, as he herd me question it! We nodded at each other in discussed!
Then my immediate thought was "how much is the beer here" quick look at bin reveals 95b + tax = 106b. . Get me out of here!
We continued down soi 33, asked at a few other bars about drink prices, mostly 100 ish but one placed we asked at was 130b. This is UK prices!
That was it, taxi and back to beer garden for drink and girl. 75b for drink. Girl wanted 1500 ST. Declined there offer, and decided to restore my sperm count and go to Pattaya in the morning, where a beer 35b and girl 1000LT are Thai prices.
Only good point I can see in BKK is that they enforce the Smoking Ban in all bars as far as I could see!
I may be missing the plot, short sighted views, lost in translation or cheap Charlie. But why would anyone want to go to Bangkok, specially to soi 33.
There has to be a perfectly good reason, so send your answers, on a post card to "Bold Focker"
Hi
I arrive in Bangkok for the first time on Christmas Eve in the late afternoon. I'm sure Bangkok on Christmas Eve will be chaos (in a fun way), but what happens on Christmas Day? Are most things closed or is it business as usual?
[QUOTE=Artful]Hi
I arrive in Bangkok for the first time on Christmas Eve in the late afternoon. I'm sure Bangkok on Christmas Eve will be chaos (in a fun way), but what happens on Christmas Day? Are most things closed or is it business as usual?[/QUOTE]Thailand is (mostly) a Buddhist country. It is business as usual during Christmas time.
[QUOTE=Artful]Hi
I arrive in Bangkok for the first time on Christmas Eve in the late afternoon. I'm sure Bangkok on Christmas Eve will be chaos (in a fun way), but what happens on Christmas Day? Are most things closed or is it business as usual?[/QUOTE]
Not a big deal, just another reason for the Thai's to celebrate. Most people are working as usual. Only in Farang expat areas will you find Christmas.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Only in Farang expat areas will you find Christmas.[/QUOTE]Well, there has been a big commercial push for Christmas in recent years. You'll find Christmas trees, decorations, Christmas music, etc all over the place... all in the name of shopping. It's funny to see people queuing up to get their Christmas presents wrapped especially since most Thais haven't the foggiest about the meaning of Christmas.
But, in general, Christmas means nothing here and the only places that will be closed are schools. Definitely busy as usual in the P4P sector.
[QUOTE=Artful]Hi
I arrive in Bangkok for the first time on Christmas Eve in the late afternoon. I'm sure Bangkok on Christmas Eve will be chaos (in a fun way), but what happens on Christmas Day? Are most things closed or is it business as usual?[/QUOTE]
As others have said, the big surprise is that absolutely nothing appears to happen on Christmas day.
The days followoing Xmas get quieter as people go away for the New year up country.
The northern bus station Morchit will be very busy. Ekamai bus station the same.
I arrive on Dec 26 and am looking forward to a quiet BKK.
Thais give presents on New Year's Eve instead of Xmas day, and Sor Khor Sor (Song Khwaam Suk - send greeting cards wishing happiness for the coming year).
[QUOTE=Bold Focker]I may be missing the plot, short sighted views, lost in translation or cheap Charlie. But why would anyone want to go to Bangkok, specially to soi 33.
There has to be a perfectly good reason, so send your answers, on a post card to "Bold Focker"[/QUOTE]
Well, some of us work in Bangkok so I guess that answers your first question. As for Soi 33 (aka Soi dead artists and now looking on to beat Soi 24/1 in number of Massage joints) the prices have always been high. They are higher because the bars do not want to attract the Cheapos.
The fact is, many places prefer to have 20 relaxed and wealthy customers rather than 60 cheapos that will moan and groan about everything.
At the end of the day, the 20 wealthy guys will spend as much money in drinks as the 60 cheapos.
If it was my business, I would also go for less but quality customers because they will be loyal to me. The cheapos are in bigger numbers but they are only loyal to price and not atmosphere: as soon as the neighbor will sell cheaper, they will all be gone.
There are plenty of places in BKK for everyone, wealthy or poor, you just need to know where to go in order to make the most out of your budget.
Coming to Barfine, this is a very difficult subject because it has little to do with the girls. It is how the bar evaluates its potential loss of drinks income by having a girl leaving the bar. Livingstones, for example, do not have 35 girls like the other go go bars so if 3 of them leave, it will have a big impact on drink sales.
If barfine is an issue, there are plenty of Freelancer bars in Bangkok (BG7, Thermae, Gullivers)
All in all, Bangkok is a very good mongering place, certainly more diverse than Pattaya in my opinion.
Different strokes for different folks I guess
[QUOTE=Goyave]The cost of one HIV rapid test is even cheaper: 300 baht at your nearest public hospital (that's what I paid less than 2 months ago). Results were given within the hour.[/QUOTE]
From what I am aware, a hospital is required to pass on your results to immigration, unlike a more expensive private testing facility. What does this mean? Well if your positive, say goodbye in more ways than one, i.e. no more visits to LOS. If any of you know different please tell your story.
Cheers?
HB
So being stuck here for a few days I thought I would nip out for a knee trembler under the auspices of a business meeting - her indoors safely tucked up with her friends.
So I go to Annies for a soapy but I must say, at 2pm, the choices were very disappointing. About 20 girls and none of which would rate above a 5 out of 10 in my scale. Not great, and at that time of day they all looked grumpy and not in the least interested in anything. So I paid my 100 baht for the 3 sips of chang and headed out for Eden instead.
Not been there before, and was kind of excited to visit the place. Good set up as you all know, and mama explained the routine. PIcked one youngish girl (23) who has that stroppy slutty look that appeals to me, and she grabbed her ok looking friend. Up in the lift and straight into a 15 minute shower routine. Once done and dusted, they went straight for my ring piece which although I thought I would like, I did not. So, out with the strap on and what followed was very half hearted. It was just not the erotic free for all that I was expecting I guess, and each act was very staged rather then fluid. After prolonged OWO, I got them kneeling in front of me and showered their faces with jizz. Left without even shagging them which surprises me but I did not think it was worth the effort.
Mana took my cash and saw me out but never asked about the service or why I was leaving after only an hour. Needless to say, I wont be returning but you have to give it a try and would still recommend it as an experience.
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[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]If any of you know different please tell your story.
Cheers?
HB[/QUOTE]
But... Tell your story in the Right Thread ;)
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]From what I am aware, a hospital is required to pass on your results to immigration, unlike a more expensive private testing facility. What does this mean? Well if your positive, say goodbye in more ways than one, i.e. no more visits to LOS. If any of you know different please tell your story.
Cheers?
HB[/QUOTE]Urban legend! Nobody at the public hospital where I've had my HIV rapid test even required my passport or any form of ID. I was given a number to retrieve my results, that's all. You can go there and introduce yourself as John Doe from Nakhon Nowhere or Ban Kee Nok if you wish and (almost certainly) no one will check whether it's true or not: it's an hospital not a police station!
The looks of the SW's has gone way down hill (Nana lot and around SUK). They are not-so-pretty and constantly working you now. Lousy methodical BJ's, sudden squirms while doing the doggie to make you pop out, requests to drink and eat minibar stuff, req's for cabfare, or for grub from the SUK street vendors where if you don't ask up front you might get a bill like room service at the Landmark. This is because of all the goobers looking for that GFE that indulge this kind of behavior. These little weaslettes need to be kept constantly in check. I tossed one out when she called me "Dahling" before she had a chance to get in the shower. I tell them that using that word will get them fired on the sah-pot. I sense trouble when the eager beaver in the lot trys to delay things in the room. That was fun. I had to physically push several out if they did not get moving after 5 minutes, but still had money to go get a new recruit. In the lot the recent ejectee might call me Bah or ting-tong but I'd counter on how their Jeem, sah-mell like old som-tam-lao with my nose pinched. These people need to lose a lot of that "face" they talk about. It was a dice roll to get a good one but one has to get an immediate handle on the situation so no money is wasted. Another I ditched at the thing where you launch your little boat w/incense and candle on the river. She gave great knob and was my first in Asia to play with clit while getting dawged from behind but I could see she was going to be a Klingon. I just ducked and enjoyed watching her frantically search for me, the new arrival she was trying to latch onto. I found it better to get a # from a girl working a commercial venue to come to the hotel the next day and keep it business like. They were far more willing and able to please when they are in touch with their station in live. All this GFE nonsense is where these hoze get their attitude. I saw so many dudes far better looking, younger and "cut" than me with narly assed women. They'd look at me puzzled when I'd ask them "what's a lonely guy like me gottah do tah get a date in this town". I think maybe they have a sense of duty. In the small subdivisions in Thailand and the PI where my friends with their ugly wives live all have neighbors with the same affliction.
When I made the mistake of going a couple of weeks before xmas, about 8 years back when all the young british and eurostuds where there all that was left for me was the more crafty, older dragons (late 20's). The watermassage places still rocked. THEN, suddenly right about Xmas eve, the place cleared out until the 1st and the only other punters there were Arabs, Israelis (you can tell them apart by the facial hair) and subcontinentals. The odds get really good again between the 24th and the 1st because the younger lads must have gone home to their families. That was my take. The old dragon took me for a stroll down soi 8 to see my wandering eye and tried to get me to check into a small, family Chinese hotel away from the water. I couldn't get rid of her. She stalked me all the way to Bangkok. The hotels were still full of budget backpacker family tourists. This was before the Russians overran Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Artful]Hi
I arrive in Bangkok for the first time on Christmas Eve in the late afternoon. I'm sure Bangkok on Christmas Eve will be chaos (in a fun way), but what happens on Christmas Day? Are most things closed or is it business as usual?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]The looks of the SW's has gone way down hill (Nana lot and around SUK). They are not-so-pretty and constantly working you now. Lousy methodical BJ's, sudden squirms while doing the doggie to make you pop out, requests to drink and eat minibar stuff, req's for cabfare, or for grub from the SUK street vendors where if you don't ask up front you might get a bill like room service at the Landmark. This is because of all the goobers looking for that GFE that indulge this kind of behavior. These little weaslettes need to be kept constantly in check. I tossed one out when she called me "Dahling" before she had a chance to get in the shower. I tell them that using that word will get them fired on the sah-pot. I sense trouble when the eager beaver in the lot trys to delay things in the room. That was fun. I had to physically push several out if they did not get moving after 5 minutes, but still had money to go get a new recruit. In the lot the recent ejectee might call me Bah or ting-tong but I'd counter on how their Jeem, sah-mell like old som-tam-lao with my nose pinched. These people need to lose a lot of that "face" they talk about. It was a dice roll to get a good one but one has to get an immediate handle on the situation so no money is wasted. Another I ditched at the thing where you launch your little boat w/incense and candle on the river. She gave great knob and was my first in Asia to play with clit while getting dawged from behind but I could see she was going to be a Klingon. I just ducked and enjoyed watching her frantically search for me, the new arrival she was trying to latch onto. I found it better to get a # from a girl working a commercial venue to come to the hotel the next day and keep it business like. They were far more willing and able to please when they are in touch with their station in live. All this GFE nonsense is where these hoze get their attitude. I saw so many dudes far better looking, younger and "cut" than me with narly assed women. They'd look at me puzzled when I'd ask them "what's a lonely guy like me gottah do tah get a date in this town". I think maybe they have a sense of duty. In the small subdivisions in Thailand and the PI where my friends with their ugly wives live all have neighbors with the same affliction.[/QUOTE]
Could anybody translate this. please.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Could anybody translate this. please.[/QUOTE]
Plus I didn't use the proper queen's angrit. Oh bloody hell, I must be an unpolished bloke from New York. A London School of Economics grad would refer to me as being "rather tarty"...
Here's Duniawal's suggestions for a punter from a previous post:
For a first time visitor, please do dress well, use colognes and perfumes,
and act as a gentlemen. If you do become a frequent visitor, you will find that the good attitude will pay off in big returns.
I shower and shave quite a bit but I might wear the same clothes for days and I NEVER wear cologne. "Please DO dress well". (give me a break!) A proper washing of your bottom after you evacuate your bowels would no doubt be in order as well.
Be polite and courteous even if you don't like the TG who is pushing herself
in your face. If you like a certain girl, treat her well. A few extra bahts as tips will get you more mileage. I am not saying to overpay, but pay the going rate and tip only if you are happy.
Now all you punters DO Carry On and be a gentleman or I shall throw my steel hanky at you!!
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Could anybody translate this. please.[/QUOTE]
He's blaming the lack of quality he sees at Nana on guys that are not as controlling and tight with their money as he is.
With exceptions, usually your choices are - Hot Girl, GFE, Low Cost: Pick any two.
Cheers!
F2
Hot Girl, GFE, Low Cost: Pick any two
This is THE fundamental mongering equation.
[QUOTE=Fox Two] Hot Girl, GFE, Low Cost: Pick any two.
[/QUOTE]
I loved it! Good stuff.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]The looks of the SW's has gone way down hill (Nana lot and around SUK). They are not-so-pretty and constantly working you now. Lousy methodical BJ's, sudden squirms while doing the doggie to make you pop out, requests to drink and eat minibar stuff, req's for cabfare, or for grub from the SUK street vendors where if you don't ask up front you might get a bill like room service at the Landmark. This is because of all the goobers looking for that GFE that indulge this kind of behavior. These little weaslettes need to be kept constantly in check. I tossed one out when she called me "Dahling" before she had a chance to get in the shower. I tell them that using that word will get them fired on the sah-pot. I sense trouble when the eager beaver in the lot trys to delay things in the room. That was fun. I had to physically push several out if they did not get moving after 5 minutes, but still had money to go get a new recruit. In the lot the recent ejectee might call me Bah or ting-tong but I'd counter on how their Jeem, sah-mell like old som-tam-lao with my nose pinched. These people need to lose a lot of that "face" they talk about. It was a dice roll to get a good one but one has to get an immediate handle on the situation so no money is wasted. Another I ditched at the thing where you launch your little boat w/incense and candle on the river. She gave great knob and was my first in Asia to play with clit while getting dawged from behind but I could see she was going to be a Klingon. I just ducked and enjoyed watching her frantically search for me, the new arrival she was trying to latch onto. I found it better to get a # from a girl working a commercial venue to come to the hotel the next day and keep it business like. They were far more willing and able to please when they are in touch with their station in live. All this GFE nonsense is where these hoze get their attitude. I saw so many dudes far better looking, younger and "cut" than me with narly assed women. They'd look at me puzzled when I'd ask them "what's a lonely guy like me gottah do tah get a date in this town". I think maybe they have a sense of duty. In the small subdivisions in Thailand and the PI where my friends with their ugly wives live all have neighbors with the same affliction. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bearsk]Hot Girl, GFE, Low Cost: Pick any two
This is THE fundamental mongering equation.[/QUOTE]
I prefer to take the first two, but can get all 3 at Tulip (well moderate cost=value for money).
[b]Another Fundamental:[/b]
You cannot loan money to Thai girls.
You can make it clear its a gift not to be repaid.
But essentially the more you loan or give, the longer the time until you will see her again.
If a very large amount, you will never see her again.
Giving small amounts leads to continous requests for more. This can be O.K. if you insist on receiving service first.
On a tangent ...
Supporting a non-P4P GF will always turn out more expensive than P4P if calculated on a per fuck basis.
Its rare that you can save money with a GF and still get a lot of sex. A GF is O.K. if you only need sex 3-4 times a week. A wife would normally provide you a lot less than that! LOL ;)
Even entertaining a girl on a date can be expensive.
Those guys who can get Giks to have sex at no expense at all, are really doing well. Unfortuantely I don't have that much charm as to get a lot of freebies. :(
So P4P has to fill in the gaps and its economical in Thailand. :)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Those guys who can get Giks to have sex at no expense at all, are really doing well. Unfortuantely I don't have that much charm as to get a lot of freebies. :([/QUOTE]
I see you are talking about me :D
Well, charm has little to do with having a sex gik, all you need is to live here. Most of these girls are married or have a steady Boyfriend already, you are here for her when she wants a change of pace, a fuck or something else.
I usually never call my Giks, just an Sms to wish them a good day. They like the fact that they can call me whenever they want to see me. I am down to 2 only now so I guess I will visit some P4P venue often (and report of course).
Mick, there is no such thing as No expense at all. I always offer gifts (one way or another) to my Giks. They never ask for anything but I see they expect a little something now and then.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
Its rare that you can save money with a GF and still get a lot of sex. A GF is O.K. if you only need sex 3-4 times a week. A wife you would normally provide a lot less than that! LOL ;)
[/QUOTE]
Ain't this the truth. My wife and I had a discussion. If we go a certain amount of time without sex then I'm heading out for a night on the town. She isn't a fool and seems to know exactly how I can be deprived before doing her wifely duty.
i live in BKK. i reognise nothing of what you say. i treat ladies well, i pay thm well. they take good care of me, they give me great service.
ever wondered if it maybe had something to do with your own attitude?
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]
I shower and shave quite a bit but I might wear the same clothes for days and I NEVER wear cologne. [/QUOTE]
A fresh shirt and strong underarm deodorant are a must.
Thai girls don't really go for manly stench, because Thais have no BO.
[QUOTE=Bold Focker]There has to be a perfectly good reason, so send your answers, on a post card to "Bold Focker"[/QUOTE]
Well Bold, I like both places, Pattaya and Bangkok. Bangkok is not more expensive imho. Bangkok is just different. I don't know where in Pattaya you get a Beer for 35 Bath, but in the Gogos, there is not much difference between BKK and Pat.
Bangkok has a better Freelancer scene. In Pattaya you might find FL at beach road, but you must be lucky to find a pretty one. In Discos are FL, but in BKK the selection is better, imho. In Pattaya the most pretty FL have Foreign Sugar Daddies or Sponsors, so they can choose their customer for the night and usually the like the very young guys. I am 39 and in quite good shape. In BKK Discos I have no problems to get the most beautiful girl in the club, in Pattaya they often stick together with teen or tween guys.
Hotels are not really more expensive in BKK than in Pat. Ok, if you go to Soi 33 there might be other prices, but in Pattaya I were this time in the Nova Platinum Hotel. Nice rooms with big bed, nice and modern, with pool and wifi. It was 1900 Baht per day, in BKK I were in The Davin Soi 4. Same equipment same price.
For certain the hotels in Pattaya are cheaper than Bangkok. Pattaya 500 - 1000 baht are the most common, Bangkok 1000 - 2000 are most common, so 2X.
100% of the girls in Pattaya are w-hores, Bangkok maybe 80% the other 20% are part timers, more freelancers in Bangkok. Maybe 1 - 2% are not in the game and you can meet them ...... no idea where to meet a Thai that is not a HO, never met one.
Many places in Pattaya for a 35 baht bottle of Tiger or even Heinekin. Bangkok, not really. Gogos are much cheaper in Pattaya, again no question. Many gogos to drink all night for 50 - 55 baht drafts, Bangkok none except happy hour. Soi Cowboy happy hour 60 - 70 baht bottles, 55 drafts several places.
Overall, Pattaya is about half the price of Bangkok. Girls in Bangkok much much better. Many times go a whole night in Pattaya without seeing a good looking HO.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]The looks of the SW's has gone way down hill (Nana lot and around SUK). They are not-so-pretty and constantly working you now. Lousy methodical BJ's, sudden squirms while doing the doggie to make you pop out, requests to drink and eat minibar stuff, req's for cabfare, or for grub from the SUK street vendors where if you don't ask up front you might get a bill like room service at the Landmark. This is because of all the goobers looking for that GFE that indulge this kind of behavior. These little weaslettes need to be kept constantly in check. I tossed one out when she called me "Dahling" before she had a chance to get in the shower. I tell them that using that word will get them fired on the sah-pot. I sense trouble when the eager beaver in the lot trys to delay things in the room. That was fun. I had to physically push several out if they did not get moving after 5 minutes, but still had money to go get a new recruit. In the lot the recent ejectee might call me Bah or ting-tong but I'd counter on how their Jeem, sah-mell like old som-tam-lao with my nose pinched. These people need to lose a lot of that "face" they talk about. It was a dice roll to get a good one but one has to get an immediate handle on the situation so no money is wasted. Another I ditched at the thing where you launch your little boat w/incense and candle on the river. She gave great knob and was my first in Asia to play with clit while getting dawged from behind but I could see she was going to be a Klingon. I just ducked and enjoyed watching her frantically search for me, the new arrival she was trying to latch onto. I found it better to get a # from a girl working a commercial venue to come to the hotel the next day and keep it business like. They were far more willing and able to please when they are in touch with their station in live. All this GFE nonsense is where these hoze get their attitude. I saw so many dudes far better looking, younger and "cut" than me with narly assed women. They'd look at me puzzled when I'd ask them "what's a lonely guy like me gottah do tah get a date in this town". I think maybe they have a sense of duty. In the small subdivisions in Thailand and the PI where my friends with their ugly wives live all have neighbors with the same affliction.[/QUOTE]
BuleDaddy,
not checked out the site for weeks (usualy a couple of weeks before a visit and never while there or when I get back - too depressing, back 3 weeks now so think I can face it again!!) but your posts have made me smile a lot today!! What an attitude!! :-)
Johnthescot
Sure it's been mentioned before but what's happened to one of the most entertaining posters (by entertaining I mean controversial, argumentative but always informative), OTH?? Hope he's well and writing his memoirs!!
Johnthescot
[QUOTE=Khun Larry]...... no idea where to meet a Thai that is not a HO, never met one.[/QUOTE]Learning to speak some Thai might help. I know many Thai women that are really cute, smart, educated, charming, and not *****s... but they are usually "traps" as they often expect to become your regular girlfriend or wife if you are single (mia noi or "second wife" if you are not). I've even been once chased after by a really beautiful 25-year old virgin (yes, she told me that she still is!) Thai woman working in a mobile phone shop, but I've declined as I've understood very quickly that she wants to get married prior according to anyone her sexual favors.
[QUOTE=Khun Larry]Overall, Pattaya is about half the price of Bangkok. Girls in Bangkok much much better. Many times go a whole night in Pattaya without seeing a good looking HO.[/QUOTE]I would have said that Bangkok is about 30 to 60% more expensive than Pattaya (food, hotel, drinks, etc.) in average. The main difference (in my own experience) are the ST and LT rates with girls: it's still not too difficult to find cute freelancers in Pattaya for 500 to 800 baht ST and 1000 to 1200 baht LT. In Bangkok, it's more 700 to 1000 baht ST and 1500 to 2000 LT for approximately the same "quality" of freelancers. Available girls in Bangkok are often older than in Pattaya (again in average) but usually speak a better English and are probably more "stylish" and less "childish".
As always, your mileage may vary on these topics.
[QUOTE=Khun Larry]For certain the hotels in Pattaya are cheaper than Bangkok. Pattaya 500 - 1000 baht are the most common, Bangkok 1000 - 2000 are most common, so 2X.
100% of the girls in Pattaya are w-hores, Bangkok maybe 80% the other 20% are part timers, more freelancers in Bangkok. Maybe 1 - 2% are not in the game and you can meet them ...... no idea where to meet a Thai that is not a HO, never met one.
Many places in Pattaya for a 35 baht bottle of Tiger or even Heinekin. Bangkok, not really. Gogos are much cheaper in Pattaya, again no question. Many gogos to drink all night for 50 - 55 baht drafts, Bangkok none except happy hour. Soi Cowboy happy hour 60 - 70 baht bottles, 55 drafts several places.
Overall, Pattaya is about half the price of Bangkok. Girls in Bangkok much much better. Many times go a whole night in Pattaya without seeing a good looking HO.[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of Thai girls who are not *****s.....All around Bangkok and all around Thailand. Us Foreigners just seem to love the ***** and ***** areas. If you are white you have a better shot then most in landing a decent Thai lady...
Not trying to start a flame war but my two...
My update on overland escape route from Thailand. Here is the link to my previous post.
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Paid 2500 Baht per person. Was given an itinerary which started with pickup from our Soi 4 hotel at 4:30PM. At 4:30 we head to another hotel and pick up a couple on their honeymoon. Then, to a small bus depot right in downtown area. It definitely was not Ekamai. There was no terminal. Just some picnic tables, and the omnipresent outdoor Thai food kitchen. Travelers arrived in groups, then were organized into a Kuala Lumpur group, a Phuket group, etc.
Eventually we depart on a double decker coach, sometime after 7PM. Arrived Surat Thani at around 6AM. Had some breakfast, and changed to our second coach. Left around 7AM, arriving in Hat Yai at 3 PM. The roads in Southern Thailand had experienced significant flooding, but still we made reasonable progress all the way to Hat Yai. In Hat Yai, there was some confusion about where and when our next bus was. It eventually showed up. An antiquated school bus, with too few seats. Another 90 minutes to the Malaysian border at Sadao. I think it was here in Sadao where we changed back to another clean comfortable coach. Cleared Thai customs, back on the bus, then pull off bags to clear Malaysian customs. Everything went smooth. Drove about 1 hour south, and stopped for my first Malaysian road stop dinner. It's about 500 km from the border to K. L. , so about 8 hours driving. Arrived in K. L. At around 2AM, and had to find a hotel. Sure enough, there are plenty of low grade flop house type rooms, that might have sufficed, but we were beat, and those wouldn't do. By luck, found a Swiss Garden, just a 5 minute walk from the train station. A very nice buffet breakfast was included.
Next day, took the 11:30 bus to Singapore, paid 39 Ringgit ($1 U. S. = 3. 6 MR). Left late, at around noon. Clearing Malaysian customs was quick, but Singapore's took about 45 minutes. So, finally arrived at bus station well past 6PM. Spent the night, and thankfully, we were confirmed on our flight out that very next day, since it was 100 percent full.
One of the members, Blair, made a great point about the bus from K. L.. Singapore being easier and cheaper. I know the airfare is pretty reasonable, I heard about $50, but then there's a long ride out to KUL (international airport), and waiting for a flight, cramped space, etc. , I found the bus to be a very relaxing trip. I had my laptop, watched a movie, listened to podcasts and music on my IPOD, read the newspaper, etc. He mentioned 5 hours. Our trip was just under 7 hours, but we did have a long wait at Customs, and then very heavy Singapore rush hour traffic.
We stayed at a nice hotel right on Orchard Rd, but I'd probably try Blair's Geylang Road suggestion next time. I'd also like to do some adventuring in K. L. The Malaysians really seemed to be very hospitable, with a friendly attitude towards "westerners". Very good roads in Malaysia, and just about everything I saw in Malaysia seemed to be better maintained. Maybe Thailand tourism will lose some business to Malaysia after this debacle.
The Bangkok airport siege is now over, but the backlog of passengers is estimated at over 300, 000. It's going to take quite some time to get everyone home, but to me, the real question is how long will it be before many of these tourists will want to come back after having been through this ordeal. I am happy for the people of Thailand that their crisis has come to an end, that the red shirts and yellow shirts put aside their differences, and politcal stability returns. I hope to return within a few months.
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Firstly I wanted to thank all of you posting very informative reports in this thread! I am thinking about a trip to Bangkok over the new year and it will be my first trip to Thailand. I usually travel to Sth America and have grown accustomed to the petite toned and fake breasted body of the brazilian or argentine girl. And form experiences with Thai escorts in London many do have implants. I know everyone has their own tastes but I wanted to ask whether it is easy to find girls in Bangkok with implants?
Your advice is much appreciated.
Guerrero
I had a greta route planned. Walk across the border into Cambodia, taxi to Siem reap, and a plane through HCM to Hong Kong where I live. But before I set off this morning, and as we were going past the airport anyway, I nipped in quickly, and walked up the the Cathay counter. Repatriation flight was available at 11. 30, 14:00. 16:30 and 19:00. One way, 5000 baht. On the 2pm, and back home now. Hope you enjoyed your trip but a word to the wise, the airport is functional, and basically empty. People seem to be staying away so it was a most pleasurable experience today. Only bad side is that all the shops have no Marli Lights in stock. Half sad to miss out on the adventure, but hell, I'm home and only 1k HKD down. So if you're stuck, get your but to the airport and walk onto a flight. Easy peasey.
Hello friends
Just a quick question. Could some please clarify exactly how long is generally a ST and LT? .
Yr help would be much apperciated
Cheers
[quote=khun larry]for certain the hotels in pattaya are cheaper than bangkok. pattaya 500 - 1000 baht are the most common, bangkok 1000 - 2000 are most common, so 2x.
100% of the girls in pattaya are w-hores, bangkok maybe 80% the other 20% are part timers, more freelancers in bangkok. maybe 1 - 2% are not in the game and you can meet them ...... no idea where to meet a thai that is not a ho, never met one.[/quote]i really hpoe this is a tongue in cheek joke rather than a seriously held belief. what a pile of rubbish. i'm guessing that the venerable khun l spends his time in nana and pattaya and his few words of thai expand to mak mak, and short time.
there are a lot of pros in most areas of thailand for sure but to imply that all women there are hookers is just stupid and is quite dangerous. assume for a moment that some random red neck scroat reads your comments; goes to bangkok, walks into a normal bar, talks to a girl, follows her out thinking she is a hooker, she protests, he [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] her and kills her because his up to date information from you is that she is a hooker and will give out. this maybe going too far i know, but there are lesser consequences of your misinformed advice that would cause hurt, offence, and trouble to many people there.
[QUOTE=Papae Noel]One of the members, Blair, made a great point about the bus from K. L.. Singapore being easier and cheaper.[/QUOTE]I think this whole trip would have been a lot easier and faster via regular public transport. If anyone ever needs to do it again (these days in Thailand you never know . . . ) just go to Bangkok's Southern Bus Terminal and catch a VIP bus to Hatyai, 12 hours. Then another to KL, about 7 hours. Or if you're in a hurry, taxi from Hatyai to Alor Star just across the Malaysian border and fly to KL. You could leave Bangkok after dinner and be in KL for lunch the next day.
[QUOTE=Guerrero]
I wanted to ask whether it is easy to find girls in Bangkok with implants?
Your advice is much appreciated.
Guerrero[/QUOTE]
Not only can you find girls with implants, you can also find guys.
Thanks Betong,
I am going to look into that next year, just to know. Glad for the tip. However, I am seriously thinking of riding the train on this route. Has to be nicer than a bus.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Not only can you find girls with implants, you can also find guys.[/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha that was funny :D
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Not only can you find girls with implants, you can also find guys.[/QUOTE]
Yes I was immediately thinking of all the LBs with great implants too. Perhaps he would like Cascade bar in Nana Plaza :eek: Its not safe to go looking for implants in NP or Patpong ;)
The bars in Soi Cowboy are safe from LBs but will find every type of tits. Small, big, implants, naturals.
A high proportion of top coyote girls have implants in my experience. I prefer naturals that shake and sway properly.
I even know a girl with natural Ds for when when I am in a big tit mood which is not that often. I am more of a pretty face and sexy bum (of female type) man.
[QUOTE=Johnthescot]Sure it's been mentioned before but what's happened to one of the most entertaining posters (by entertaining I mean controversial, argumentative but always informative), OTH?? Hope he's well and writing his memoirs!
Johnthescot[/QUOTE]Self imposed exile. As per a recent post in the Politics thread.
Any day now look for him to resurface in the Dubai forum under a new ghost.
Likely WCLoser, RearEndBias or P4PAdicked.
As for BKK, the *****s are quite desperate now with no custumers. So until
further notice the city is officially upgraded from third to seventh heaven.
Thanks for you advice guys and well noted on the comments about LBs.
Guerrero
[QUOTE=Mick Licker] I am more of a pretty face and sexy bum (of female type) man.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for clearing that up. We were beginning to wonder ;)
We need more detail ... this "big tit mood" thing, it occurs once a month (full Moon) or just at New Year?
I get it when I see girls from Beijing or Hubei ... Not so often in BKK, where the face, a quality small set and a tight undercarriage usually rule the day.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
I even know a girl with natural Ds for when when I am in a big tit mood which is not that often. I am more of a pretty face and sexy bum (of female type) man.[/QUOTE]
Any good deals on hotels in the lower Suk out too about Asoke for 3 weeks -1 month
Rikusa
[QUOTE=Rikusa]Any good deals on hotels in the lower Suk out too about Asoke for 3 weeks -1 month
Rikusa[/QUOTE]
I have been in hotels beyond a month, once for over a year. You can always negotiate a discount, bit its best directly with the hotel reservations director\manager. get things like free Internet or breakfast included or not.
An apartment is probably a better option for the money, but if you are looking for hotel type living then a corporate or serviced apartment is what you want.
Personally I would look for the newest hotels since they will be pressed to fill and more open to offering a bargain. with a lull in high season visitors for many reasons, keeping up occupancy numbers will be more important than bickering over price for a hotelier.
[QUOTE=Nauskas]I have been in hotels beyond a month, once for over a year. You can always negotiate a discount, bit its best directly with the hotel reservations director\manager. get things like free Internet or breakfast included or not.
An apartment is probably a better option for the money, but if you are looking for hotel type living then a corporate or serviced apartment is what you want.
Personally I would look for the newest hotels since they will be pressed to fill and more open to offering a bargain. with a lull in high season visitors for many reasons, keeping up occupancy numbers will be more important than bickering over price for a hotelier.[/QUOTE]
From what I can see (massive Layoffs), the tourism industry is hurting, badly so if you want to negotiate hotel discounts, NOW is a good time.
[QUOTE=Papae Noel]However, I am seriously thinking of riding the train on this route. Has to be nicer than a bus.[/QUOTE]The train is great. Get the "Butterworth Express" which leaves Bangkok Hualampong at 2:45 in the afternoon. I like to read a bit, listen to podcasts, enjoy the scenery etc. till 5 or so when I go to the dining car for some food and a few beers. Come back to my bunk and the bed is already made up (the one you want is 2nd class sleeper lower bunk). Get a good night's sleep, wake up at 6:30 just before Hatyai. It then carries on to Butterworth/Penang, arriving about noon. Traveling the slow but civilized way.
Was recently in Bangkok and every time I go back I feel it is losing something. There were quite a few black girls and eastern europeans with pimps hanging around Subway and the Nana Station. I also really am not a fan of the large Muslim population in the area. Why this devout group of people chooses to set up shop in this area is beyond me. I've been to Bangkok many times and used to sit out on Sirkumvit late at night after all the bars closed, have a few beers, and talk to the girls without a problem, but now it doesn't seem as safe.
During my trip to Pattaya I also couldn't believe the Russian explosion that has taken place there since my last trip about a year ago. Lots of nice looking Russian girls everywhere. I actually saw the famous Na hanging out on the stroll. There was a time when I really wanted to nail her, but now.......not so much.
With all the political problems they are having, higher rates, and influence of outsiders I may have to find another place to spend my dollars.
Most civilized!
I think I'll start looking into this now, instead of waiting until my next trip, now that you have given the name of the train and itinerary.
Thanks Betong
I was bemused to read in the national daily that the rapid fall in business has caused bargirls in the Patpong area to drop their prices to 800TBH for ST.
This is quite a cut.
Can anyone verify this report?
Gangles
[QUOTE=Gangles]I was bemused to read in the national daily that the rapid fall in business has caused bargirls in the Patpong area to drop their prices to 800TBH for ST.
This is quite a cut.
Can anyone verify this report?
Gangles[/QUOTE]
That is very believable although I don't know how common it is. Walking down Soi Cowboy which is very quiet for a weekend, the girls are sitting outside holding signs for 40thb-60thb for a beer, that is a big drop from the regular 100thb-120thb.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]A fresh shirt and strong underarm deodorant are a must.
Thai girls don't really go for manly stench, because Thais have no BO.[/QUOTE]
I had just arrived so I had plenty of clean clothes, was clean shaven and had plenty of money. I just like to budget myself to 4kbht a day for food and booty. I always tip the housekeeping well to give me 4-5 towells. Being American, we normally shower at the very LEAST once a day and over there multiple times a day. Like, I am not from the Isles or the Continent (solly Dahling), so you are preaching to the choir 8^). I remember having to coach euro/brit foreign exchange students on the use of soap back in High School. The worst stench I ever smelled in my life was from the French tourists down in St. Martin and St. Barts. The British and Irish pubs smelled kind of BOish back in the 80's.
I was just commenting on how the Nana lot hit the skids and commercial places suited my needs much better. Actually after my 3 days in BKK I did a weekend clubbing in Jakarta and brought back a Bandung beauty to the Land of Stooges. WOW, what an delight. Her skin was like silk from being covered up all her life. Far more refined than ANY pooying I have ever encountered. When the ethnic Thais wanting to regain control of the corruption from the Chino-Thai syndicate took control of the airport and their governement did NOTHING to assist the stranded tourist this girl worked wonders getting us through Malaysia on to Singapore. Speaking Bahasa and sporting her veil, Bandung baby got us the best bus seats and people fetched food for us. The Thai bus website would only display in that old sanskrit chicken scratching. We just rode to the bust station and took a chance as there was no other way out of that place. At the bus station some Thai-twat tried to send us off saying the busses to Hat Yai were all gone and not until the next evening would one be ready. I let my little Javanese lady take over and another veiled Thai woman in line told us to take the Yala bus, that it stopped in Hat Yai. Why did that first Thai lady not tell us that? Because they are contemptuous of foreigners.
Now a sexpat will be able to get the cheapest unbagged sex in the world. The backpackers will be able to afford 4 star hotels and all the high end tourists will be going elsewhere. Watch the airlines move their stopover hubs to other airports. This place didn't even need that crazy circus tent airport. Don Muong was just fine.
[QUOTE=Flyhere]That is very believable although I don't know how common it is. Walking down Soi Cowboy which is very quiet for a weekend, the girls are sitting outside holding signs for 40thb-60thb for a beer, that is a big drop from the regular 100thb-120thb.[/QUOTE]
Really? This goes opposite from what I've seen. I heard girls asking for more not less. It is common for them to up their prices when they don't get many customers, or atleast ask for a much higher price then normal.
Hey Alsan
Where exactly were the Russian girl hanging around and Can you still find them round
McDonalds? How much were they asking?
[QUOTE=Gangles]I was bemused to read in the national daily that the rapid fall in business has caused bargirls in the Patpong area to drop their prices to 800TBH for ST.
This is quite a cut.
Can anyone verify this report?
Gangles[/QUOTE]
That's contrary to Thai logic. When demand falls they usually raise prices to maintain the same level of income. That's Thai economics 101.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Really? This goes opposite from what I've seen. I heard girls asking for more not less. It is common for them to up their prices when they don't get many customers, or atleast ask for a much higher price then normal.[/QUOTE]
may be they just dropped the price for beer. Yeah, girls probably will ask for more. Will investigate.
[QUOTE=Gangles]I was bemused to read in the national daily that the rapid fall in business has caused bargirls in the Patpong area to drop their prices to 800TBH for ST.
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anyone with even little experience in LOS can tell you this is all a bunch of bull.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker] ....cut
This leads to the point that the main reason we collect phone numbers of MP girls and bar girls in general is organize a time to see them.
If have a GF its easier just to go discreetly to an MP, right? ...cut.[/QUOTE]... or of many other reasons that would be the case. Here’s my outline-
have just returned home for a few days now, getting back to real life, recalling collection of pics and memories, Micks above quote inspired me to write this brief report.
Given the current crisis over the airport situation.
Had got myself up to BKK to deal directly with the airline head office. Surely the expected lineup at the office as it opened, I was promptly assigned #18.
So sitting in a quiet hallway corner, I organize my day, go new, or call up a reliable favorite? Turns out, old fav #1 did not answer her phone, but also perhaps she did not recognize my new sim #. plan b - call fav #2 – still no answer. STUPID me – what tg answers her phone by 9am!!! My turn quickly comes up and we are dealing with flight particulars though I am listed as a standby for the following day. Hey, what the heck-leaving 2 days early overall but at least I can get out! Considering I had heard thru the concierge at the JW Marriot that people were paying up to 50K just for a flight out WTF!!
So out on the street, morning air not BKK stifled yet. Choose to take a walk down towards Silom area, have a coffee, maybe a bit of gift shopping and check out the area.
As I am waiting for my expresso, phone rings – it is #1 (we’ll call her Nam). She is just returning the call, not knowing it was me. I can tell she is thrilled I have called and why I did not let her know I was in town. Maybe just me – I prefer not too much notice, as they tend to start ringing often once they know you are around.
Arranged to meet Nam around 4pm. Leaves me about 4hrs before returning to hotel to clean up etc… so my lazy morning plans still on track. Some lunch in me, shopping done, what to do around 2pm? At this point BKK air has necessitated a shower but after seeing all the non-p4p in their typical hot looks, I had to have some other stimulus.
So this is where Mick’s “…easier just to go discreetly to an MP…” just fits in so well. Why shower alone? Another choice – a fav at Annies or Tulip. I know maybe not so many fans of Annies here – but on a ymmv – I have always had a guaranteed 2hr/2 shot min. But alas 2hrs might not fit with seeing Nam, so continue along bts to Tulip.
Tulip report to be filed in massage thread.
Exit Tulip, not a repeat session here but maybe it was me also?
At our designated meeting spot. I guess I arrive first, no sight of Nam, good, have some fruit (pineapple) to remove/dissolve/enhance anything I might carry as evidence or else. Walk the immediate 50m area, maybe she’s grabbing some food (aren’t all tg’s always eating!). No find her but collect another lovely’s phone # with just a smile! So Nam arrives about 30min. late but looking great and carrying some sort of small backpack/bag. As much as I want to physically touch her, this is just not the thai way (in public anyway). She declines any offer for food but we slip into a 7-11 for some a couple of things along the way back to the hotel. Customary id check for her and up we go. In the room, she hugs and treats me like a very long lost lover. What followed for the next few hours and how she managed to coax it out of me was incredible! By now I need REAL food, so shower together, more loving attention by her, we do eventually get out of the room.
Did I mention-she bought ME a gift!! What a new tg tactic! This was the reason for the backpack (seeing some other clothes and stuff too in there).
Now let me say this – I did not intentionally want to take her LT – but you can hypothesize what is about to happen. She had been so sweet, I just haven’t said yes but she did leave her bag in the room as we head out for dinner. A nice time had, share about where her life is now (claims exited p4p) and gone back to school, in debt over 100K, but claims needs no support, will do it herself! (warrning radar reduced to low alert). Shares more about her family, her daughter and where her life might take her. Not so pie in the sky dreams like some others I have met but NOT into my long term plans.
Back to room, cleanup again and some playfulness-but it is I on empty, we fall asleep together very comfortably. She did tell me she has to be at school for 9am, thus the change in clothes. She does not wake up to alarm, but is already trying to arouse me as I wake up to some silky thai skin bathed in the morning’s filtered glow. We do get downstairs in time to have some breakfast before sending her off, with arrangements and directions where to meet her for lunch.
As we are having some fantastic Japanese food the my phone rings, not a number I know – it is the airline office – can I leave TONIGHT? Though I was on standby this timing was horrible, I was really enjoying my time (maybe too much) with this tg and was not quite done with her yet. Accept right there yes or no or maybe not get out for weeks and try explaining that back home! Told airline – would be there by 4pm to pick up, she seemed genuinely disappointed, I apologized, yet she understood why. So I had to be out of my hotel by 9:30 or 10pm latest. To make up to her, I invited her daughter and mom to join us for dinner. In my limited experience, I have yet to know a tg to bring along her daughter to meet a falang met in the p4p world. Met many sister’s thou – aren’t they all!!
Some phone calls, mom’s leg not feeling so good, Nam to pick up daughter after school and a meeting place picked. Another tg clock, this time 45mins late, almost had to abandon her. What a cute little girl, possible would have married her mother if met at a different time/place. We choose service a little quicker, little girl would like KFC, as we would choose elsewhere in the food court. Had her choose a take out box for her mom since she couldn’t come out- to her amazement. Little things go such a long way.
Again all proper physical distance in public, also in front of her girl, though I knew my time was getting very limited now. A walk after the meal, an ice cream for Nam’s little girl and time to say our goodbyes. I could feel Nam’s response as I touched her hand and looked in her eyes as her little girl watched the traffic below us. We broke our separate ways and she called me as I was leaving the hotel, bags in hand, I am totally suckered or she really misses me, too bad I did not have one more night (or more) with her. There is something I will follow up on the next trip.
[QUOTE=Goyave]Learning to speak some Thai might help. I know many Thai women that are really cute, smart, educated, charming, and not *****s... but they are usually "traps" as they often expect to become your regular girlfriend or wife if you are single (mia noi or "second wife" if you are not). I've even been once chased after by a really beautiful 25-year old virgin (yes, she told me that she still is!) Thai woman working in a mobile phone shop, but I've declined as I've understood very quickly that she wants to get married prior according to anyone her sexual favors.
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I agree with alot of what you say Goyave. I speak thai quite well, read too. Best way to proceed for the visitor is assume Thais are *****s. In full disclosure, I have a Thai gf for 6 years now so what can I say.
As for virgins, I me one in the Beer Garten :)
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]... The worst stench I ever smelled in my life was from the French tourists down in St. Martin and St. Barts...[/QUOTE]That's funny because the worst odor I've ever smelt so far was from an American fat air hostess in a Delta Air Lines flight who uses so much (presumably cheap) perfume that it was really unbearable each time she was in the vicinity of my seat. Not kidding here: unless you suffer from anosmia, you could have smelt her approaching in a more than 10-meter radius. It was particularly terrible during lunch time.
I don't know which was her perfume that day (and I don't know why an American airline dares to employ clearly overweight air hostesses too), but it was not one from any of the French makers that I know and I know quite a lot of their fragrances.
We, stinky French people, are famous (among other things) for our expertise and production in this area. We can usually mask our cheesy odor most of the time, alas, it seems that it's not always the case. Sorry if the ones among us who can afford to spend their vacation in St. Martin and St. Barts stink more than Pepé Le Pew. I won't recommend you to use the Parisian subway during the evening rush-hours then: you might think that we are using chemical weapons of mass destruction and believe that you should [url="http://humor.beecy.net/funny-pictures/american-democracy/bumper-sticker.jpg"]bring democracy to our country[/url].
Just kidding here. But I was not when speaking about the [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNXIZuIBJKs"]smelly pussy[/url] from Delta Air Lines: I won't be the one feeding this! ;)
Don't get me wrong: she's probably very clean but is too fat and unattractive in my humble opinion and her bad taste in perfumes doesn't help either...
By the way, I don't share all your views about Thai people and their country, but I enjoy reading your reports nonetheless: they are usually funny and provocative and you have an original writing style.
[QUOTE=Khun Larry]I agree with alot of what you say Goyave. I speak thai quite well, read too. Best way to proceed for the visitor is assume Thais are *****s. In full disclosure, I have a Thai gf for 6 years now so what can I say.
As for virgins, I me one in the Beer Garten :)[/QUOTE]Thank you, Khun Larry. Let's say that the occasional visitor can make some valid assumptions if he or she limits his or her visits to certain places (such as the famous Biergarten / Beer Garden in Bangkok, Sukhumvit Soi 7, for instance).
Bangkok's red light district suffers from political chaos
BANGKOK (AFP) – The go-go bars are empty and sex is on sale at half price as Bangkok's infamous red light districts suffer from a blockade of the capital's airports.
"It's high season, but now it's like low season," said Nan, a scantily-clad hostess at one deserted nightspot in the Thai capital's notorious Patpong area.
An old man played guitar and sang along to a karaoke machine inside. Outside, beneath the pink neon, about 10 women in almost identical low-cut dresses tried to drum up trade.
Although anti-government protesters have ended an eight-day siege of Bangkok's airports, the effect of Thailand's ongoing political chaos on the tourism industry is devastating.
Sex tourism is no exception. Patpong depends on foreigners to keep afloat, but as the 350,000 air travellers stranded by the airport closures rush to leave Thailand, replacements are not coming in.
"Now Thailand has a problem -- no customers," said Lam, a man who works for Nan's bar, luring tourists in off the streets by posing as a friendly Thai offering unsolicited advice on good places to go.
Lam is hopeful the trade will return to Patpong, a lurid strip of live shows and sleazy nightlife.
"It is because of the airport, but now the airport is all clear," he said.
The Tourism Authority of Thailand is not so optimistic.
The group expects incoming travellers in 2009 to be half the 14.8 million the kingdom saw last year, with word of the protests causing tourists considering a trip to Thailand to book elsewhere.
At the normally standing-room-only "ping-pong" shows, five or six women swarm each new arrival. Some are following the example of Thailand's resorts and luxury hotels by offering discounted rates.
Prostitutes offer two hours of sexual services for 800 baht (about 22 dollars) instead of the normal 1,500 to 2,000 baht that would cost.
"Since re-opening of the airports business is trickling in but very slow," adding that guests normally came from Europe -- especially the Netherlands and Belgium -- and Asian countries such as South Korea, Japan and Singapore.
The blockade may have brought in some extra trade.
American tourists Lisa Richardson, 30, and Michael Latham, 29, said they would never have come to Patpong had they not been stranded in Bangkok.
"Being stuck for an extra week convinced us to spend time and money on things we wouldn't have normally -- ping-pong shows for example," said Latham.
But he said that he felt for Thais whose livelihood was being hit, adding: "they're hurt so much worse than we are and it just hurts to see," Latham said.
Thailand was until 2005 the world's leading destination for sex tourists, when its crown was taken by Brazil, according to Interpol.
Although prostitution is officially illegal in Thailand, estimates for the number of sex workers range from 80 000 to two million women and men.
At her Patpong bar, Nan says she hopes the tourists return soon, as she sends the money she earns back to her family near the Cambodian border.
"Maybe in 15 days, a month it comes back," she said.
[QUOTE=Khun Larry] I speak thai quite well, read too. Best way to proceed for the visitor is assume Thais are *****s. In full disclosure, I have a Thai gf for 6 years now so what can I say.[/QUOTE]This statement prove exactly how much you don't know about Thailand or Thai women. Therefore, you claim that your girlfriend is a ***** along with my Thai wife. Your atrtitude towards good, decent Thai women, whom are the majority, pisses me off.
[QUOTE=Ub 6969]Hey Alsan, Where exactly were the Russian girls hanging around and can you still find them round.
McDonalds? How much were they asking?[/QUOTE]Hi Ub69,
Many Russian girls in Moscow, St.Petersburg etc.
Prices about $100-$500
In Thailand.... many Thai girls!
Cheers
[QUOTE=PauloThai]Hi Ub69,
Many Russian girls in Moscow, St.Petersburg etc.
Prices about $100-$500
In Thailand.... many Thai girls!
Cheers[/QUOTE]
I visited some old haunts and ended up back at CM2. Essentially, they (EE?Russian) charge twice or more than Thai. Typically asking 3-5KB, but once the stroke of 0200, the real bargaining starts :)
The Thai and Middle Eastern girls where mostly model quality than in Nana or the BTS stations. I suppose it helps having to pay a cover charge.
They told me there are some after hours bars they go for a last shot at a customer if they have nothing when normal bars close.
I didn't find out the names.
[QUOTE=PauloThai]Hi Ub69,
Many Russian girls in Moscow, St.Petersburg etc.
Prices about $100-$500
In Thailand.... many Thai girls!
Cheers[/QUOTE]
oh lord, here we are again, another smart ass remark about "when in Thailand..."
Put a lid on it. Not everyone going to Thailand is looking for Thai girls. If your goal is to fuck as many TGs as you can during your Holiday, do so but don't blame others because they want something different.
Thai girls are nice but sometimes a change of pace (and girls) is most welcome so the Russian girls (or should I say uzbeks, for the most part) have a lot of business.
Ub 6969,
Russiam Girls usually hang around CM2, Rajah hotel (soi 4), some in front of the Subway shop Soi 7/1, many around the grace hotel and Mike Place.
Prices are higher than Thai girls and can go from 3,500 to 5/6,000 depending on what services you require
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wow, you're a real class act (on my ignore list you go...)[/QUOTE]Khun Larry edited his post at least once before you quoted it, NicFrenchy, and it was already a great improvement from the first published version that I read.
A non negligible number of tourists (and even expatriates) who only visit, or stay at, certain places and locations might think alike, but I also disagree: in their great majority, Thai women are decent and charming persons, not *****s, but the great majority of tourists (and alas, lots of expats too) will probably never ever have the opportunity to (really) know them. And will indeed encounter more P4P girls than "regular" ones.
It's a pity if someone who can speak Thai quite well does not know more of the second "species" than of the first one. I'd rather think that Khun Larry wanted to warn the average Joe that he would very seldom meet non-P4P women in the Land of Smiles.
Another Thai expert that doesn't know shit about Thailand or Thai women. I'm willing to bet your GF is straight from S of L or some other $2 blowjob bar. You get what your deserve. Or, I suspect it's all you can get as no decent woman is going to have anything to do with the likes of you.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I'm willing to bet your GF is straight from S of L or some other $2 blowjob bar. [/QUOTE]
Well for the life of me, if BJ's were $2 a pop @ SOL I'd set up camp there. RA, you would be surprised by the look of some of the SOL girls, cute as a button.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well for the life of me, if BJ's were $2 a pop @ SOL I'd set up camp there. RA, you would be surprised by the look of some of the SOL girls, cute as a button.[/QUOTE]
Hope SOL Tuk will be back to BKK soon as look forward to a BJ girl who can take it alll in. That is a special feeling.
Often I would rather have a fuck than have a girl blow just the knob and maybe just a little more. Here I am refering to girls that are very average at blow jobs.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Hope SOL Tuk will be back to BKK soon as look forward to a BJ girl who can take it alll in. That is a special feeling.[/QUOTE]Tuk is out of the Biz, completely. She changed her Mobile number so is very hard to reach now. Only a very select bunch have her number and sadly, I am not one of them.
[QUOTE]Often I would rather have a fuck than have a girl blow just the knob and maybe just a little more. Here I am refering to girls that are very average at blow jobs.[/QUOTE]I like to be blown sometimes, especially when the girl is good and relaxed. The feeling of relaxing while a girl gives you a slow wet head is beautiful :)
Ah! shit, I am all excited now! off to SOL I go.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well for the life of me, if BJ's were $2 a pop @ SOL I'd set up camp there. RA, you would be surprised by the look of some of the SOL girls, cute as a button.[/QUOTE]Well, maybe SOL isn't a good analogy. But my point is: this dickhead only knows *****s because that's all he can get. Therefore, he thinks all Thai girls are *****s. He makes a general statement that is totally untrue. No decent girl is going to give him the time-of-day.
Did anybody see that coyote girl in Mojos with the huge inflated tits?
She looks quite nice otherwise but those DD are just too ridiculous.
Anyway, does anyone know what's the deal with those girls? I asked their Mamsan if barfine was available but she said no.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Y
A high proportion of top coyote girls have implants in my experience. I prefer naturals that shake and sway properly.
I even know a girl with natural Ds for when when I am in a big tit mood which is not that often. I am more of a pretty face and sexy bum (of female type) man.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Tuk is out of the Biz, completely. She changed her Mobile number so is very hard to reach now. Only a very select bunch have her number and sadly, I am not one of them.[/QUOTE]Good for her. I hope, unlike last time, she stays out permanently.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Well, maybe SOL isn't a good analogy.[/QUOTE]Not around here, anyway. I get the feeling that there are more than a few punters here who have spent quite some time at SOL and have come to realize that a lot of the girls there (or girls who used to work there); eg Pla, Joy, Tuk, Lek, and Rabbit to name a few, are genuinely caring and wonderful women (and amazing fellatrixes to boot).
You should go and try out SOL and see for yourself.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Well, maybe SOL isn't a good analogy. But my point is: this dickhead only knows *****s because that's all he can get. Therefore, he thinks all Thai girls are *****s. He makes a general statement that is totally untrue. No decent girl is going to give him the time-of-day.[/QUOTE]
Its important to realise that its a girl's character that matters.
Labelling as either decent or *****s is too simplistic.
Sounds like old religious programming to me.
Whether a girl has ever resorted to P4P in desperate financial times is not that relevant to her overall character.
Some P4P girls have far better character than some officially non-P4P.
Some girls get horny and want to have sex. Its not so evil to accept money for it too when desperate for money. The disturbing part really, is how low a standard of man she is willing to accept for the cash.
If everything was turned around backwards, I would fuck for money if I could choose which girls were good enough.
Some free-lancers and bar-girls have some class and will be choosy about which guys they are willing to go with. I have met bar girls who rarely accept a customer and only go occasionally with some guy they really like.
Its a lot tougher for MP girls to knock back customers but does happen. She can always claim he wanted sex with no condom.
Is every guy that supports a girl financially, sleeping with a *****? If the financial support was not there would she stay?
How do you feel about girls that are ex-P4P and don't want to do it anymore and are now doing regular jobs. Are these still *****s?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker].
How do you feel about girls that are ex-P4P and don't want to do it anymore and are now doing regular jobs. Are these still *****s?[/QUOTE]
I've got no problem with them. I know many ex P4P girls in Thailand and all over the world and for the most part they are good, decent women married to nice guys.
Actually, most of them are glad to be out of the P4P business and take really good care of their husbands.
[QUOTE=Kuratla]Not around here, anyway. I get the feeling that there are more than a few punters here who have spent quite some time at SOL and have come to realize that a lot of the girls there (or girls who used to work there); eg Pla, Joy, Tuk, Lek, and Rabbit to name a few, are genuinely caring and wonderful women (and amazing fellatrixes to boot).
You should go and try out SOL and see for yourself.[/QUOTE]
I tried SOL once and it just wasn't my cup-of-tea. Having a girl crawl between your legs at the bar and give your a blow job just didn't get me aroused. Especially when my friends were sitting beside me and laughing.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Its important to realise that its a girl's character that matters.
Labelling as either decent or *****s is too simplistic.
Sounds like old religious programming to me.[/QUOTE]Ml,
Thanks for making this posting. I don't have the experience in Thailand that most readers have (just look at my posting #'s! ), but I could not agree with you more.
There are three TGs that I have maintained some degree of contact with; one works in an MP, another at Soi Cowboy, and another I met as a FL. I am sure they would not be interested in me if I was not a paying or potential paying "customer" when we first met. But even with that as an initial basis of contact, I have had a wonderful friendship and relationship with all three of them. We've had great nights together, along with days and boat rides and dinners.
Are they P4P? Sure. Are they classical wh***s? Well, they accept my money so I suppose some of you could say that. But I think that is only part of it. At the end of the day, they want a little better life for themselves, their families. They have chosen the P4P route, probably for any number of reasons. So they go to hotels with farangs. Does this make them evil people, or "sinful" (to follow on your religious programming comment)? No, I think they are being pragmatic, given conditions and opportunities in Thailand, and they are doing the best they can, given the resources they have to help their families and their children.
Of the three, one of them works the "business" with more enthusiasm and energy than the others (and makes more money), but at the end of the day they all want what most people want everywhere. As one point or another, all 3 confided in me about not liking the P4P business, but could not see any other alternatives for themselves. I cannot solve all the problems in Thailand, or even in their lives, but I can treat the P4P girls I am with with respect and understanding. In return, I have gotten some great experiences the memories of which will last a very long time.
And I don't consider them wh***s, and they have never treated my like a "john". One of them took nice care of me when I got food poisoning a while back. Another came with me for ST, spent the night and next morning and never a asked for a thing.
You get what you give in this world. If you treat people like shit, it will come back to you. Karma, perhaps.
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[QUOTE=Mick Licker]How do you feel about girls that are ex-P4P and don't want to do it anymore and are now doing regular jobs. Are these still *****s?[/QUOTE]
That is a very difficult question! and depending on your past experience as a monger, you will answer differently.
Some guys married the first Bar Girl they met, some married one after a few years, some dated ex-Bgs, some are married to ex-prostitutes but met them outside their regular work so have no clue... the list is long.
After 4 years here, there is one thing I have heard over and over:
"You can take the girl out of the bar, but you can never take the bar out of the girl"
As far as I am concerned, I think for the most part Thai girls are very superficial and boring (when in a long term relationship). Being seriously involved with a Thai lady would mean that one of the parties has to change they lifestyle completely as I am not sure that the "middle ground" will work for long.
If you decide to embrace the "Thai" way of life, then you have a chance, no matter if the girl is from P4P or not.
Not that I have a lot of experience (I only had 2 serious relationships with Thai girls that ended because of the drama these ladies create about everything) as I now stick to short term Gf or Gik.
[QUOTE=Tall Tom]You get what you give in this world. If you treat people like shit, it will come back to you. Karma, perhaps.[/QUOTE]
While your Statement is very appealing, It is unfortunately not always the case. There are exceptions (on both Sides).
and don't get me started on the Karma crap LOL
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Anybody in Bangkok? Where are the reports?
These debates are tiring after a while as we all have different opinions.... Some posters think they are all who**s, some think they deserve to be treated like shit, some think they pick to work in this field, etc... And we're never going to change each others opinions or mind about them.
What's that old saying, until you've walked a mile in their shoes don't judge folks. Yes there are millions of women who never enter prostitution but women all sleep with men (or other ladies) for support.
The P4P ladies I've known over time and gotten to know all share three common items before entering P4P.... 1) they were cash poor and had family to feed (kids or family or such) 2) they were emotionally or mentally distraught at the time they entered the business (BF left them with child, husband beat them, father ran off on the family, something) 3) they all had a "cousin" or someone they knew in the business. This is just the ones I've gotten to know. Not saying it's right, not saying its a proper excuse not judging at all.
A funny line from one girl was that she hated thai men so much that she wanted to marry a farang and her relatives who got into the business all ended up marrying a farang so she got into the business as well so she could end up married to a farang and not a "thai bastard".
Personally... I was a drunk before, does not change what I did and the damage I did when I was a drunk, but that is not who I am now. Any of you ISGers who know me have no idea what kind of a bastard and the damage I did before, but I know in my heart and head what I did. And the few girls I know who are out of business know what they did before inside and I know for a fact that they are with some lucky bastards and these girls treat them like kings which they don't deserve.
Also I know many girls who gave up a good number of years taking care of a guy only to have him go find a younger model after a few years and are back in the business. But god love them they still have a great attitude and have some select customers they treat like kings.... Such the reason many of us still visit and pay them.
I don't care if some folks think P4P ladies are dirt, I know some ladies that are P4P in a few countries that better then most folks in this world and surely better then the slime balls I have to work with every day :D .
EDIT: you want to see a what a true wh*re and bastard is... work in the govt. Those are the real prostitutes, and from every fucking country not just one. They make all the Isan P4P ladies look like Mother Teresa compared to them.
[QUOTE=Goyave]That's funny because the worst odor I've ever smelt so far was from an American fat air hostess in a Delta Air Lines flight who uses so much (presumably cheap) perfume that it was really unbearable each time she was in the vicinity of my seat. Not kidding here: unless you suffer from anosmia, you could have smelt her approaching in a more than 10-meter radius. It was particularly terrible during lunch time.
I don't know which was her perfume that day (and I don't know why an American airline dares to employ clearly overweight air hostesses too), but it was not one from any of the French makers that I know and I know quite a lot of their fragrances.
We, stinky French people, are famous (among other things) for our expertise and production in this area. We can usually mask our cheesy odor most of the time, alas, it seems that it's not always the case. Sorry if the ones among us who can afford to spend their vacation in St. Martin and St. Barts stink more than Pepé Le Pew. I won't recommend you to use the Parisian subway during the evening rush-hours then: you might think that we are using chemical weapons of mass destruction and believe that you should [url="http://humor.beecy.net/funny-pictures/american-democracy/bumper-sticker.jpg"]bring democracy to our country[/url].
Just kidding here. But I was not when speaking about the [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNXIZuIBJKs"]smelly pussy[/url] from Delta Air Lines: I won't be the one feeding this! ;)
Don't get me wrong: she's probably very clean but is too fat and unattractive in my humble opinion and her bad taste in perfumes doesn't help either...
By the way, I don't share all your views about Thai people and their country, but I enjoy reading your reports nonetheless: they are usually funny and provocative and you have an original writing style.[/QUOTE]
American Democracy has already been studied by Alexis de Tocqueville and he brought his findings back to France in the early part of the 19th century. A little known part of his study in America was a wagon train ride where a smelly Wells Fargo worker had vaginitis and used French perfume to disguise the odor. It was quite a provocative tale for the time.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
What's that old saying, until you've walked a mile in their shoes don't judge folks. [/QUOTE]
So True!
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
I don't care if some folks think P4P ladies are dirt, I know some ladies that are P4P in a few countries that better then most folks in this world and surely better then the slime balls I have to work with every day :D ..[/QUOTE]
We must work with the same people because I share this experience in some cases too.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
EDIT: you want to see a what a true wh*re and bastard is... work in the govt. Those are the real prostitutes, and from every fucking country not just one. They make all the Isan P4P ladies look like Mother Teresa compared to them.[/QUOTE]
Not only in govt, but also in the business world, it’s quite a scene watching some of the things twenty educated employees will do when competing for one or two promotion slots.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Not simplistic and not religious I am a devout atheist. But I would in no way shape or form call a prostitute decent. I am not a hypocrite. I would not call myself decent; via prostitution and the third world I use my money to take advantage of people who are uneducated, financially strapped young SE Asian women. People say these girls are in dire financial situations I was also once in blue. I was cash strapped on the mean merciless streets of America’s most murderous city. If I had become a criminal would my actions would have been justified since I don’t have anything to sale.
I disagree again. If I become a criminal because of a need of money then change once I don’t need the money no more again would that be reflection of my character?
Ok Mick I agree and disagree here. So if your daughter came to you and said Dad I am horny and I need some money to buy these new sneakers so I am going to fuck the mail man would you be ok with this would tell her go get that money honey?
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Nope. She is sleeping with only that guy in “most” situations. Which is the big difference from a *****. Also this whole debate about financially dependent women being *****s is weak. Like I said most of time she is only messing with that guy and in most situations she would hang tough if the guy fell on hard times or less he found a lady that wasn’t devoted…and if that happens then that is the guy’s fault in not taking enough time to settle on a decent mate.
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If a young girl wants to have sex there is no stopping her. Telling them not to just does not work. I would just encourage my daugther to choose a nice guy and take precautions. I would suggest perhaps that buying gym shoes was not a great reason to choose the postman.
Your problem is you see a girl sleeping with multiple guys as comparable to a crime where the guy is forgiven for sleeping with multiple girls.
Why should a girl be devoted to a single guy. Its her choice.
Some of us question the "morals" that we programmed in since childhood and can actually see that they no longer make sense in the modern world.
There was no contrapception in old times so monogamy was invented to provide for someone to be responsible for the children.
Now that we can fuck without producing babies, monogamy makes no sense, and is directly against nature. Most higher brain powered animals play up heaps. Its instinct. Even birds are now known to be polygamists.
So now the point that remains is "Is it O.K. for sexual favours to be sold?" "Is it O.K. to pay for them?" two sides of the coin.
Because I am a polygamous person, but my GF cannot accept other GFs, I must secretly indulge my past time in short bursts and its convenient to pay money to get a hot girl quickly.
Is there anything intrinsically wrong with a girl skilled in sex, charging money for providing this skill. In my opinion no. There is no victim of this supposed "crime".
The true undesirability of prostitutes surely comes from the undesirability of the customers that they have to work with.
So I able to respect bar girls who knock back many potential customers.
I have witnessed a girl in the Thermae knock many guys but finally agree to go with me. Other times I have been knocked back. I respect their choosiness.
If you want sex for free, you just find a girl who is willing. Its as simple as that.
But don't look down on girls who need it as their profession in order to eat. Otherwise stay well away from them.
I have standards. I would never go with a girl unless I like her and think she is O.K. without necessarily being perfect. If she is a b****, then there is no way.
Perhaps you don't understand that many Thai P4Ps are supporting both parents and several brothers and sisters to get a better education.
You won't find many Thai guys supporting an entire family in this way. Many are just unreliable spongers.
When I pay good tip to a P4P, I am not taking advantage of her. I am giving a fair return for her excellent service. I am helping support her and her family. Could be supporting the higher education of her daughter.
Tourism and P4P is greatly helping redistribute wealth though BKK to all poorer regions of the country.
A girl is of bad character is she steals your money or swindles you by trickery. But if you both agree to have sex and agree on a fair price, there is no crime, there is no evil, there is no immorality, there is nothing bad. Its just a business arrangement.
The tricky part is in Thailand where business arrangements and personal relationships start to cross over and get blurred.
This doesn't happen in the Farang world much.
Moved to the proper board.....
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[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Wrong again Mick. I don’t compare women fucking around with criminal acts just used it as an analogy. I think all people men, women who fuck around with reckless abandon including myself are also clinically sick especially those men who chase prostitutes. :D[/QUOTE]I think DW, that you're still a little wrapped up in what society and religion in the US define as "right" and "wrong" or perhaps moral and immoral would be better terms. If, however, you subscribe to the point of view that sex is not only thoroughly enjoyable, but absolutely normal, and that you're only doing what other men (maybe women too) wish they could be doing, you get over the perception of yourself as clinically ill extremely quickly. The fact is that, for most species, polyandry is normal, and monogamy for humans is essentially an invention of human society--primarily religion--developed in an effort to control sexuality and behavior. My rule is much simpler and less agonizing--if it feels good, and if I'm not hurting anyone by indulging in sex, and the young woman is a legal adult and consenting, then it's fine.
Just my take of course.
GE
We all know the most expensive sex is with the wife.
That is why we all look for a cheap hooker.
We check ISG to find them.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Moved to the proper board.....
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I'm too lazy to keep jumping threads.
I will agree that I am a sex addict and I only partially understand why.
I think only getting it once a month when married had something to do with it.
How did we get to this discussion of morality of prostitution?
The original arguement started when some totally uninformed dickhead made the statement that all Thai girls are wh*ores.
Nothing against the world's second oldest profession and some of the golden hearted providers of comfort to the lonely or sex deprived. Thank God for them!
A question for guys currently in BKK, in relation to the prices coming down a bit.
If you go with one of your regular girls that you have seen several or many times before, do you find that the girl is currently happy to accept a lower payment tahn previously, given that everyone is suffering under the economic crises, or does it [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] girls off if suddenly start wanting to pay less than before?
I say yes if she is in to you. The few I'm working now I have arrangements based on how many pops per day, how much photography I'm allowed, etc. This seems to keep them anxious to please in order for more thb. Sorry I haven't been posting much as the girls on TLL have been keeping me busy. Happy hour, Sheraton Grand, PM me. Have an extra phone number or 2. See for your self. Chok dee
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]A question for guys currently in BKK, in relation to the prices coming down a bit.
If you go with one of your regular girls that you have seen several or many times before, do you find that the girl is currently happy to accept a lower payment tahn previously, given that everyone is suffering under the economic crises, or does it [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] girls off if suddenly start wanting to pay less than before?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]A question for guys currently in BKK, in relation to the prices coming down a bit.
If you go with one of your regular girls that you have seen several or many times before, do you find that the girl is currently happy to accept a lower payment tahn previously, given that everyone is suffering under the economic crises, or does it [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] girls off if suddenly start wanting to pay less than before?[/QUOTE]
my thought is they never forget , if you like this girl , pay the old price ,
unless you tell her you are broke this trip and cannot afford her , even though you would love to take her,
make it her decision , then she does not lose face and you are the good guy for taking her,
I always like to have a couple "regulars" to call if the bars are closed or I am hiding out from a stalker !
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]A question for guys currently in BKK, in relation to the prices coming down a bit.
If you go with one of your regular girls that you have seen several or many times before, do you find that the girl is currently happy to accept a lower payment tahn previously, given that everyone is suffering under the economic crises, or does it [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] girls off if suddenly start wanting to pay less than before?[/QUOTE]
On my limited foray away from the TGF during the airport shut down recently I found I got a lot more mileage and GFE out of paying the same amount as before. I could have gone lower easily and they would have been happy about it but the girls I saw who I saw before were just thankful to have me around during that time. Many would have been happy just to have a good meal IMHO but as I said these are girls I knew before and have their contact numbers and such.
This leads me to believe that when we go back in a few weeks the regulars we normally see will be very happy to see us come back. :D
The prices I heard quoted from girls I did not know at Cowboy and on some bars on Soi 33 were grossly inflated however. Mick your recent friend quoted a number so high to a guy I almost spit coke out my nose. But since I was with the TGF at those times I was in no position to even jokingly attempt to bargain as I surely was not going to be taking one of them home with us.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]A question for guys currently in BKK, in relation to the prices coming down a bit.
If you go with one of your regular girls that you have seen several or many times before, do you find that the girl is currently happy to accept a lower payment tahn previously, given that everyone is suffering under the economic crises, or does it [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] girls off if suddenly start wanting to pay less than before?[/QUOTE]
The regular girls I saw knew that I paid for performance. The greater my satisfaction the more "taxi" money they received. There never was any negotiation.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
Mick your recent friend quoted a number so high to a guy I almost spit coke out my nose. But since I was with the TGF at those times I was in no position to even jokingly attempt to bargain as I surely was not going to be taking one of them home with us.[/QUOTE]
Yes I am sure the starting price is going to be high but she told me she was not really an "expensive girl". But she will try it on, assuming I have guessed correctly who you refer to.
I am described as overly generous as I usually pay for LT about double the ST fee provided I get double the sex, and adjust lower if don't get another round in the morning (for some reason like girl has to go in a hurry happens occasionally). Others tell me double is far too much for LT, but I believe its reasonably fair.
I was thinking of dropping my ST offer by 500 and dropping LT by 1K, in view of difficult times and Aussie dollar now worth a lot less Baht than before.
I also vary my payment by the class of girl, level of competition, and how good she is. I don't believe in one standard fee for all.
Obviously I would expect very good discount though for a multi-day booking. As a girl can then be relaxed as she has a sure money supply for several days plus supplied meals, miscellaneous, etc.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]The regular girls I saw knew that I paid for performance. The greater my satisfaction the more "taxi" money they received. There never was any negotiation.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is exactly how I approach P4P also. Once you have set it very clear that you can pay more for "Better" service, the girl will really make every effort EVERYTIME, these girls are very smart and know which side of their bread is buttered.
Also, playing guessing games with a thai girl is pointless, if you give her 1,000 one day and 500 the other day because she did not perform as well, thinking she will understand the message, well, she might not always.
I find it is good to make it clear so she understands, then, it is easier for everyone.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]The regular girls I saw knew that I paid for performance. The greater my satisfaction the more "taxi" money they received. There never was any negotiation.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Girls that know me, never negotiate, and even first time girls rarely discuss the the price.
Many are not hardened enough to overcome shyness re price discussions. Must be that I am attracted to shyer (spelling?) type of girls at times.
Even Suzi Wong bar girls would go with me without discussing price. I obviously have a good reputation in this bar for fun and generosity and other things.
Ocassionally one will ask how much I want to pay for long time, for example. In that case I offer my low-end amount and she is usually satisfied and decides that amount is O.K. for X hours in her own mind. When she performs superbly, she gets an extra bonus. If she is crap then she would get politely ejected with the minimum.
Actually I rarely go LT with a new girl for me, unless I an really sure she is hot and the chemistry will work.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes I am sure the starting price is going to be high but she told me she was not really an "expensive girl". But she will try it on, assuming I have guessed correctly who you refer to......I was thinking of dropping my ST offer by 500 and dropping LT by 1K, in view of difficult times and Aussie dollar now worth a lot less Baht than before.....Obviously I would expect very good discount though for a multi-day booking. As a girl can then be relaxed as she has a sure money supply for several days plus supplied meals, miscellaneous, etc.[/QUOTE]
Multi Day or Multi Repeat can get you a very good rate now IMHO (unless you're my TGF :D ) And yes I think you are guessing who that other girl is correctly.
Personally I'm not sure about dropping the long term rate down but what do you consider long term?? I'd probably pay the same amount but expect 20 hours (if want her that long) and unlimited shots with a lot more options then before and no "bonus" money for other items that maybe you'd consider paying before.
If take a girl for 8 hours ( 10 pm to 6 am) then sure drop it down if she's not up for a full 8 hours of sexercise... But for me, I'm an early bird, used to grab them early in the evening and keep them around into the next afternoon.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I was thinking of dropping my ST offer by 500 and dropping LT by 1K, in view of difficult times and Aussie dollar now worth a lot less Baht than before.[/QUOTE]
That's possible. If you talk with the girl and you like her, just tell her what you are ready to pay and see what she says. Some girls might even agree to your (lower than their usual) price because they feel you will treat them well.
To some girls, being treated nicely is far more important than an extra quick 500. I know a girl at a SC Bar who told me that one Arab Customer of hers pays very well but then is very rough in the bedroom, she only goes with him because of the money. She also said that she quite often enjoy the company of some guys because they are funny, nice and gentle with her. She also did admit that more than once she hoped that some of these farangs would take her again, and not because of the money, but because being with them felt like she was not really a piece of meat.
You can find this girl in SHARK ;)
I just spent a fun week in Bangkok (and have posted part of this on Giotto's thread), Chronologically it reads backward (huh?)
[b][i]Yesterday, I thought I saw a tumbleweed on the motorway on the way to the airport...[/i][/b]
Once at Suvarnabhumi I was informed that my 1:50 pm Air Asia flight to Krabi was canceled, (no e-mail or SMS). No information as to why, of course, but I suspect it was for lack of passengers. I then had to wait five hours for the next flight (which was about 3/4ths full). While killing time, I noticed on the schedule board that a number of domestic flights had been canceled. Somehow, by the grace of the travel gods I was back on Koh Lanta by 9 pm. [i]Amazing Thailand![/i]
Suvarnabhumi, the world's 18th busiest airport, was eerily quiet for December 10. In fact, I saw many more workers than travelers. No lines (ques for you non-yanks) even at the AA check-in counters. I saw no indication of the PAD takeover except for the dozen or so policemen sitting (sleeping?) under a tent at a checkpoint about 2km from the terminal. I wonder why they even bother to carry guns? I did hear, though, (from reliable unnamed sources close to the queen), that the PAD looted all the whiskey and smokes from the King Power shops.
[b][i]Thailand is looking a lot more like drug-war addled Mexico as each day passes...[/i][/b]
At the big motorway turn leading to the terminal I noticed that one of the biggest highway billboards is now blank, and the big flat screen TV ads are fading quickly. Lots of "For Rent" signs on buildings everywhere along the motorway. Many shops are closing in the busy Silom District, too.
[b][i]Silom Road highs and lows...[/i][/b]
Two nights ago at about 9 pm, I joined some friends for a drink at the trendy spendy Vbar at the big Sofitel Hotel on Silom Rd. . In the hotel lobby, there was no one other than employees when we walked in, and upstairs, just a few folks in the bar. Saw some great views of Bangkok from 37-floors above the quiet madness.
Later on, we went to the Cleo Beer Bar on Patpong Soi 2 (right outside the Star of Light). The ancient beer bar turned out to be way more fun than the Sofitel, (and the drinks were a lot cheaper). They've got a few cute & friendly, young girls there, (check out Khun Mai), beers at only 70-80 baht, and the bar fine (Cheap Charlie alert!) for [i]Isaan's finest[/i] is only 400 baht. Conveniently, if you are impatient, bored and horny, SOL is right next door.
Saturday afternoon, I stopped by my favorite Silom Road massage shop, "Happy Massage," next to the deserted Narai Hotel. There were 10 girls working and so far that day there had been no customers. Before ascending to the 4th floor for my regular FS massage, (btw, [i]I love Thailand[/i]), I gave Khun Net, (my favorite Happy lady), 500 baht to buy the shop girls dinner. That way, to my relief, all the lovely ladies with the sad, dark eyes were now theoretically happy and [i]im lao[/i] (full), at least until the next meal (and they [i]love[/i] me)! There are some cute young lassies waiting for customers there...check it out!
[b][i]Fine dining...[/i][/b]
One evening after I got a buzz-cut on Soi 5, we enjoyed a meal at the old lounge lizard's paradise, [i]The Check-Inn.[/i] If you haven't been there, it's tucked back from the sidewalk on Sukhumvit btwn. Sois 5 & 7. Good steak, pretty Filipinas singing, and some MILF-type [i]hostesses[/i] waiting for interested parties to take them away. My gig liked the [i]tum yum kung[/i] and the Baileys on the rocks for dessert.
Another good meal was had at the non-descript [i]Lek Seafood[/i] right next to the Chong Nonsi BTS Station. Squid, clams, fried fish -- it was all good [i]& cheap[/i] (about 750 baht for 3 people with beers and tip)!
[b][i]Wanna buy a watch?[/i][/b]
Only bad part of the trip was learning that my favorite old Omega Seamaster (Sean Connery 007 model) is [i]toast[/i] after blowing out the stem while diving at 25 meters below the Andaman Sea off of Palau Weh last month. The Omega shop wanted 11,000 baht to fix it (yikes -- three months and parts from Switzerland!). Maybe I can sell it for parts on eBay? Anyone know where to buy a watch in Bangkok?
I'll be back through the [i]City of Angels[/i] in a week or so and I'm already looking forward to more fun and games. In the meantime, I need to walk a lot on the beach to work off the kilo I gained last week.
But, what will January bring? Lottery tickets? More Elections? Foreigner Kidnappings? Food Riots? [i]Lower prices???[/i]
[QUOTE=Fon Tok] In the meantime, I need to walk a lot on the beach to work off the kilo I gained last week.
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Huh? :confused:
I put on weight when in Australia but lose weight when in Thailand.
If you are putting on weight, then that means not enough Sexercise. :D
(P.S. a BJ has no aerobic value and so you only lose a few grams of sperm temporarily :D)
Don't drink to much and have a girl for desert ;)
I had a meeting soi 19 yesterday and was only steps away from the sub soi of MAY Massage.
From last week's experience, the massage was pretty good so I decided to go and relax there again (Not thinking about Extras)
there was about 4 guys and 2 ladies waiting on the balconny when I arrived and they all greeted me with a deep smile.
I have no idea who May is but the same lady/cashier from last time was here (cute girl) and she remembered me: same last time?
I replied positively. It felt good to be recognised, little touches like this are priceless in building a good customers base. Bravo!
I was escorted to the Massage room and asked to strip. The lady I had was a little older (35?) not unpleasant looking and I did not ask her name so I do not know it.
Before the massage started she asked me how I wanted my massage: strong? "not strong" I asked.
The massage was very good, It really felt like she was inside my head! as freaky as this sounds. Everytime I got thinking that she could apply more pressure on a certai area (my lower back), she did without me saying a word.
I flipped over and she started to massage my arms, chest and then gave me a strong abdominal massage (a first for me) and I loved it! slowly but surely she made her way towards my groin and started a balls massage (a little painful) then a slow HJ.
I told her that I did not fancy a HJ (not enough time for me to enjoy and come) and she offered to extend the massage by 30 mn or 1 hour. I declined and asked if BJ was ok with her? (she is stroking my dick all this time we are talking). She hesitated and then said it was ok but with condom.
Although I declined, her attitude stayed very positive!
I took a shower in the VERY clean bathroom, got dressed and left.
I gave the lady 100 thb tip and, if this is the level of service and attitude MAY massage gives its customers then, I will certainly be back!!
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]... A lot of guys on this website are in denial “I just fucked 10 different women today but I don't have a problem” ...[/QUOTE]I have a problem BECAUSE I haven't fucked 10 different women today.
Hello, my nickname is Goyave and I'm a sex addict.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I had a meeting soi 19 yesterday and was only steps away from the sub soi of MAY Massage.
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You couldn't decide which thread, BKK or BKK MPs?
Could consider "General" for vritually non-sexual posts LOL.
What about a sex oriented report. This plain massage stuff is getting a bit dull ;) but O.K. I know some readers are interested. What about the older lady you picked up ?
P.S. I PMed you on a SOL topic.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Huh? :confused:I put on weight when in Australia but lose weight when in Thailand. If you are putting on weight, then that means not enough Sexercise.:D[/QUOTE]
I read recently that Aussies lead the world in obesity (outranking even us fat Yanks). Must be something in the diet Downunder? What do your people eat that makes them so fat?
Living in Thailand means I get all the sex I want [i]all the time.[/i] I know it's rough, but some of us have to do it. Sorry Mick...I know you live for your "health" trips to the LOS.
My new gig likes to eat. By Thai women's standards, she's a big girl, (160cm; 62kg+/-), with very healthy appetites. I'm a big guy (186cm; 112kg), so it's nice to have a woman with some meat on her lovely bones. Sharing great meals after great sex is not a hardship. Absolutely no complaints here!
G'day mate!
Hello Fon Tok,
From a watch lover. 11, 000 Baht is very reasonable for the repair, since an overhaul typically costs a few hundred USD. Your Seamaster is worth well more than that. Plus, it's part of your life, I'm sure.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I read recently that Aussies lead the world in obesity (outranking even us fat Yanks). Must be something in the diet Downunder? What do your people eat that makes them so fat?
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That report was complete bullshit man.
Never believe what you read in the media.
We do have a lot of overweight people but not nearly by as much overweight as what you see in the US.
I have been to the US and I assure that we don't even come close to the size of yank people barrels where just two of them and the elevator is already full.
The US wins easily for extreme obsesity.
The US measurement standard was clearly much more lenient than the Australian study.
A fair proportion of Aus citizens are Asian which cuts down greatly on the proportion overweight people.
The US has all those people that need two seats on the plane. We don't. It is a shock for Aussies, when we walk the street in the US, the immense size of some.
Then you see all those normal sized americans and think, what happened to the others?
I am a few Kgs overweight but I admit what causes it is eating/drinking bad stuff and lack of exercise. I know how to fix it. Lots of sex!
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I agree. Girls that know me, never negotiate, and even first time girls rarely discuss the the price.
Many are not hardened enough to overcome shyness re price discussions. Must be that I am attracted to shyer (spelling?) type of girls at times.
Even Suzi Wong bar girls would go with me without discussing price. I obviously have a good reputation in this bar for fun and generosity and other things.[/QUOTE]
Mick - I don't think you're a representative example, giving you are fluent in Thai. And of course you act as a gentleman. These two characteristics aren't common in the monger community.....LOL
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]That report was complete bullshit man.
Never believe what you read in the media.
We do have a lot of overweight people but not nearly by as much overweight as what you see in the US...Then you see all those normal sized americans and think, what happened to the others?...I am a few Kgs overweight but I admit what causes it is eating/drinking bad stuff and lack of exercise. I know how to fix it. Lots of sex![/QUOTE]
I think I might have hit a raw (fat) nerve here?
Mick, I agree with you that Americans are a fat bunch, but percentage wise the Aussies may be fatter. There are over 300 million (legal) Americans and how many Aussies (25+/- million?). A quick Google check found the following...
[b]From: Nutrition Australia, [i]Obesity in Australia[/i] (2000)[/b]
"Recent studies show that 47% of women and 63% of men are overweight or obese. Australians are at the point where it is almost more "normal" to have a weight problem than not.
Over the last decade as a nation we have continued to gain weight. If the current trend continues, it is estimated that by 2010, 70% of Australians will be above their healthy weight range."
[b]From: The Australian Gov't Institute of Health and Welfare Website[/b]
"How many Australian adults are overweight?
- The 1999-2000 Australian Diabetes, Obesity and Lifestyle Study indicated over seven million adult Australians aged 25 years and over (60%) were overweight. Of these, over two million (21%) were obese.
- Men were more likely than women to be overweight, with 67% of men compared with 52% of women (aged 25 years and over) being overweight.
- There have been significant increases in the proportions of overweight and obese Australians over the last 20 years. From 1980 to 1999-2000, for people aged 25-64 years, the proportion of overweight women increased from 27% to 47%, and the proportion of overweight men increased from 47% to 66%.
- On average, women in 1999 weighed 4.8 kg more than their counterparts in 1980, and men 3.6 kg more.
I suggest that many Americans [i]and[/i] Australians would benefit from the standard Thai diet of fruits, vegetables and regular hot sex! I know I have.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Mick - I don't think you're a representative example, giving you are fluent in Thai. And of course you act as a gentleman. These two characteristics aren't common in the monger community.....LOL[/QUOTE]
You have a good point. I find that people are shyer to say embrassing things in their own native language. So speaking Thai to me make make a girl shyer than when she speaks English.
On a Tangent:
Bar girls may swear in English saying things that they would never dare say in Thai.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Never believe what you read in the media.
We do have a lot of overweight people.
A fair proportion of Aus citizens are Asian which cuts down greatly on the proportion overweight people. It is a shock for Aussies.
I am a few Kgs overweight but I admit what causes it is eating/drinking bad stuff and lack of exercise. I know how to fix it. Lots of sex! [/QUOTE]Hi Mick,
I am sorry fot the Aussies, but FonTok is right!
All studies give the same outcome. This time Aussies obesity win!
Cheers
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Of these, over two million (21%) were obese.
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When I look around me in Australia I do see a lot overweight but not many really huge.
So 21% obese is setting a very tough standard.
So where is the american figure?
The percentage of huge americans is way higher than here.
Maybe the 60% considered overweight here would not all be considered overweight in the US.
I am obviously in the overweight category but not in the top 21% of obese.
Anyway just look at all the tourists queuing up at Disneyland and most of them are large, even the young 20 year olds. Then compare to the relatively not so large hispanics working at Disneyland and surrounding area. Perhaps these hispanics are helping fix the american averages.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]So where is the american figure?..The percentage of huge americans is way higher than here...Anyway just look at all the tourists queuing up at Disneyland and most of them are large, even the young 20 year olds....[/QUOTE]
Disneyland? You mean Patpong?
OK, you win. Americans are fatter than Aussies! Next topic. OK?
[i]Some stats...[/i]
[b]From: American obesity skyrockets, 73% obese or overweight by 2008[/b]
The Centers for Disease control have released new numbers on obesity and the news isn't good: Americans are becoming more obese, faster, than when last measured.
- In the past year, the adult obesity rate rose in 48 of America's states, and nationally from 23.7% to 24.5%, Trust for America's Health found.
- In 10 states, over a quarter of adults are now obese...
- Currently, about 119 million, or 64.5%, of US adults are either overweight or obese.
- According to projections, 73% of US adults could be overweight or obese by 2008, Trust for America's Health warned.
Link: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4183086.stm[/url]
Why are you guys posting this shit? Back to Topic PLEASE!!!!!!
Not much but here it is.........
Prior to leaving Thailand to return back home for the holidays as usual was able to make a short side trip into BKK prior to catching the flight out the next day on the 8th.
After checking into the Nana, I got ready for my visit to Tulip, while walking to the BTS, and on the BTS, things seem quiet even for a Sunday. The shut down of the airport by the PAD really did a lot of damage. But not at Tulip just after 12 noon I was the third Farang at the desk waiting to get service. I got my regular and as always service was excellent. During our shower she ask if I would one day take her for a full day so we can go drinking and party. I ask how much and whether she wanted me to arrange it with her personally or with Tulip. She told me to arrange it with Tulip and that their fee was 3,000 and her's was going to be 6,000. In my mind I was thinking no way I was going to pay that amount for 1 girl no matter how good it was! When I didn't respond she started to BBBJ and LBM nearly said yes!
After being done with Tulip and although I always leave happy. I came away with a somewhat empty feeling that I needed more. Since I have been somewhat worn down physically and mentally I was hoping to get a good massage at Tulip with my regular girl but all she wanted was LBM. To me sex isn't everything getting a great oil massage first is my top priority these day. So I left empty and bored and wanted a challenge and a great massage. Massages was no problem so off to Soi 8, for a 2 hour Thai massage and a 1 hour foot massage. Now being relax and full of energy I walk across the street to the odd side of Sukhumvit and walked down to Soi 15, to the corner to get some Thai food but I was too late the place had just closed. I started to turn back and right in front of Thermae was 2 cuties waving me toward them. As always they thought I was Japanese, price quoted was high 3,000 and I made a joking choking sign and they both laugh and the price came down to 2,000. I declined and said if I return later and they were still there we would talk again about the price. As I start to leave they lower to 1500 but I smile and kept walking.
As I headed back down Sukhumvit to Soi 7, street not very crowded and the street vendors were very vocal trying to get me to buy things. I wanted to bring somethings back for the holidays but only came with a backpack since I was going standby from TPE to the States. Decide to make a visit to Biergarden and get something to eat as I was looking a the menu 2 girls both white skin started to talk to me. Once again they though I was Japanese of course our conversation was pretty much where I was going and so so. I told them I was hungry and if they wanted they could join me for dinner. During dinner I pretty much told them I just had sex ( double pop ) and if I were to take one of them after dinner the sex got to be good because I might not have much power. And if the service was not good I wasn't going to pay but this was said in a somewhat joking manner since I didn't want to blow the good mood we were having. The price started at 3,000 for LT but all I wanted was ST so final price was 1,000. Just to add the Biergarden wasn't full with plenty of seats for everyone. Real slow and I didn't have much problem getting the girls to come down in price. I decided to take the talker one with more meat on the hips. She was real cute and you could barely tell she had makeup on her face. A girl you could take home to your mother.
Service wasn't bad, she took a bath with me and gave me a pretty decend massage along with GFE. I got her number and told her next time I'm in town I'll give her a call. I walked her down to the lobby because I wanted to see how Angel Disco was doing. The guard seeing I was staying at the hotel allow me to take a look. They had done some relevation like moving the bar to the center and hired girls to dance at certain location throughout the disco but in the end the place was dead. The only way to bring back the crowd would to let people in for free.
To conclude on my one day! Bangkok was pretty much dead and one can clearly see the damage done by the airport shutting down. In my opinion no one has to overpay for anything if they are patient and there seem on this night lots of cute ones out! Just wait until all the numbers come in the beginning of the year with cancellations and the baht decline. It's going to be a free for all........
LBM
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]The massage was pretty good. All greeted me with a deep smile. Good to be recognised. Priceless. Massage was very good. Inside my head! As freaky as this sounds. I loved it! Her attitude stayed very positive! VERY clean bathroom. And left.
I gave the lady 100 thb tip and, if this is the level of service and attitude MAY massage gives its customers then, I will certainly be back! [/QUOTE]Hi Frenchy,
100 baht! They welcome you next time as Charlie!
Cheers
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]You couldn't decide which thread, BKK or BKK MPs?
Could consider "General" for vritually non-sexual posts LOL.[/quote]
Yeah, I kinda fucked this one up LOL, I was trying to post it in the Massage Thread but accidentally posted it here. Can't be too bad, at Least, May will be happy about the Publicity.
I already am sure PauloThai will go there handing the ladies money to compensate for my tipping only 100thb for a massage without extras.
[quote]What about a sex oriented report. This plain massage stuff is getting a bit dull ;) but O.K. I know some readers are interested. What about the older lady you picked up ?[/quote]
Hahaha, I did not stay with Blue balls for too long because right after May Massage I walked back to Soi 19's Luxury and fucked Miss Y silly... twice :D
[quote]P.S. I PMed you on a SOL topic.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I got it and replied ;)
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]Why are you guys posting this shit? Back to Topic PLEASE!!!!!![/QUOTE]
Cool your jets, bucko! Just a couple of ISG guys chewing the "fat." It did start with a Bangkok trip report...where's yours?
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]There are a lot of Thai girls who are not *****s.....All around Bangkok and all around Thailand. Us Foreigners just seem to love the ***** and ***** areas. If you are white you have a better shot then most in landing a decent Thai lady...
Not trying to start a flame war but my two...[/QUOTE]
When it comes to P4P in Thailand I am well over 3 digits for the number of girls I have had.
As for free sex in Thailand I am well into the double digits. I have met many Thai women online and meet them and have free sex with them. I must say I hurt some of their feelings though, but I got some free sex and treated them well when I was with them. Some of them I saw every time I came to Thailand and had all the sex I could handle for free, but I still had to get away and do some mongering too. So far I have scored 100% with girls if I take them out drinking and dancing. Yeah, have to spend money on drinks and food, but they always go to my hotel and have sex like it was already the plan. Many times those girls are available to me whenever I am in Thailand.
I was in Bangkok a few months ago and I decided to see if I could get some freebies online. One good looking girl wanted to see me ASAP. Took her out for drinks, dancing, then I said I have to go back to my hotel and fly tomorrow. She asked if I wanted her to go, we did and had sex for no money.
I kept in touch with her and even bought her a plane ticket for her to see me, ( I moved to a place where Thai's can visit without a prior Visa) she's at my house as I speak while I'm at work. I told her that we should be 100% honest with each other. A couple days ago I asked her how man men she met online and had sex with like me. Well.. I was really surprised by her answer. She said way too many guys for her to remember. So, as you see, there are plenty off freebies to be had from girls online and wherever a girl smile back at you. I've got the feeling that if a Thai women likes you they want to give you sex to make you happy and have feelings for them. One nurse in Thailand told me that too. She said she wanted to have some drinks because she new she wanted to make me happy by giving me sex, but she was a little shy. I met her online also. It was great that she bought me roses, first time a woman bought be flowers, and gave me a ride from Bangkok to Pattaya in her new car. Anyways, look online and if you find a nurse, definately go for it.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Disneyland? You mean Patpong?
OK, you win. Americans are fatter than Aussies! Next topic. OK?
[i]Some stats...[/i]
[b]From: American obesity skyrockets, 73% obese or overweight by 2008[/b]
The Centers for Disease control have released new numbers on obesity and the news isn't good: Americans are becoming more obese, faster, than when last measured.
- In the past year, the adult obesity rate rose in 48 of America's states, and nationally from 23.7% to 24.5%, Trust for America's Health found.
- In 10 states, over a quarter of adults are now obese...
- Currently, about 119 million, or 64.5%, of US adults are either overweight or obese.
- According to projections, 73% of US adults could be overweight or obese by 2008, Trust for America's Health warned.
Link: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4183086.stm[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm not obese; maybe I'd like to lose about 15 pounds. Anyways, I find many Thai women like guys that are a little overweight. Not obese, but a little overweight is good for them. Many Thai ladies said I'm pom pui, then they say they like that.
Besides, Thailand is great because old, obese, ugly, bald men can have sex with a really hot looking women. So no need for a who's more obese war on the forum.
Gagoo,
I understand your post very well, glad you are having a time of your life. But nothing is free! " drinking and dancing " " Buying a airplane ticket " Whether you meet them in a bar or online they are taking time to make a investment.
From my experience I have been told by many Chinese girls and Thai because I have a couple of overweight friends who I have traveled with from years back. The questions is why did they hook up with my overweight buddies? The answer was as you can see you don't have to worry about going hungry.
Enjoy! LBM
[QUOTE=Gagoo] Many Thai ladies said I'm pom pui, then they say they like that.
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yeah they say what we want to hear , and I eat it up :)
BK
[QUOTE=Gagoo]Many Thai ladies said I'm pom pui, then they say they like that.[/QUOTE]
Don't waste any time thinking about it, compared to many (most) thai ladies we are all pom pui... I dropped over 40 kilo and am still pom pui :( to them...
It's amazing... to them I was handsum man before and I am still handsum man now :D Gotta love their sweet mouths...
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]
The questions is why did they hook up with my overweight buddies? The answer was as you can see you don't have to worry about going hungry.
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That's exactly correct. In Thai think if you are overweight it means you can afford to buy lots of rice.
I hate to tell them that my weight is from beer, not rice.
[QUOTE=Gagoo]I find many Thai women like guys that are a little overweight. Not obese, but a little overweight is good for them. Many Thai ladies said I'm pom pui, then they say they like that.[/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha, so they got you fooled eh? Next thing you will tell us they prefer men over 60?
No offense but, what a Thai girl tells you and what she realy thinks are two very different things. They are very good at polishing Egoes.
I can bet you that while your "Pompui" lover tell you she loves you and you look great, she thinks about the 6 packs of her Thai boyfriend.
Thai girls prefer slim, Well dressed and Clean shaven men; now I said it's what they prefer, not what they end up with.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hahahahaha, so they got you fooled eh? Next thing you will tell us they prefer men over 60?...[/QUOTE]
Gee ... that's exactly what they tell me, and I believe them. :D
They have good judgment!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hahahahaha, so they got you fooled eh? Next thing you will tell us they prefer men over 60?
No offense but, what a Thai girl tells you and what she realy thinks are two very different things. They are very good at polishing Egoes.
I can bet you that while your "Pompui" lover tell you she loves you and you look great, she thinks about the 6 packs of her Thai boyfriend.
Thai girls prefer slim, Well dressed and Clean shaven men; now I said it's what they prefer, not what they end up with.[/QUOTE]
Its true Nic. Many Thai girls prefer older men. In general, they are not considerate and do more pampering of the girl to make her feel important.
Younger men are more arrogant and more likely to be full of themselves.
Plenty of really young guys are viewed by girls as just "dickheads".
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Its true Nic. Many Thai girls prefer older men. In general, they are not considerate and do more pampering of the girl to make her feel important.
Younger men are more arrogant and more likely to be full of themselves. [/QUOTE]Asian girls prefer older men, and although that pisses off some of the arrogant younger men to the point they refuse to beleive it, its true.
I find it vey funny when people try to know what Thai girls think and do, as if there is some book on it, and it follows a strict pattern.
Try guessing what US girls think off, what they like and people soon say its all varied and no pattern. And Thai's are just the same.
The trouble is you are asking mongers for their opinions, and their opinions are biased as they expose themselves too much to "bad girls".
Each and every girl, in every country, of every race, is an individual. Get over it.
Met this girl on a university exchange three years ago in the U.S. and have been coming to Thailand to see her since then. Usually I get a hotel, but this time I stayed a few days at a house she rents with two of her biological sisters and a pain in the ass dog. During my trip my girl has to work a few days at the local bank and I get to stay at the apartment. On the second day her sister came into the bedroom while I was laying down watching tv and went from sitting on the edge of the bed to laying down to touching me though we've never even shaken hands. She was talking about how beautiful my girl was and asking if I thought she was beautiful too.
I got the hell out of there before I made a mistake and I'm wondering if anyone out there has ever nailed your Thai girlfriend's sister? My girl seems sort of hurt if I talk to another female more than her or pay too much attention to them even if they are family. I thought getting it on with her sister probably wouldn't go over very well.
[QUOTE=Aslan]I got the hell out of there before I made a mistake and I'm wondering if anyone out there has ever nailed your Thai girlfriend's sister? [/QUOTE]
You did well. For all you know, they set it up to test you or the sisters had a quarell and one of them needed leverage to make the other mad.
Keeping your Johnson in your pants might save your life in such situations (and I am not exagerating, Thai people have the "knife" very easy).
If you want to fuck around, there are plenty of venue where you can do so... secretly and quietly.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Its true Nic. Many Thai girls prefer older men. In general, they are not considerate and do more pampering of the girl to make her feel important.
Younger men are more arrogant and more likely to be full of themselves.[/QUOTE]
I know... many of my giks told me so. Fuck! I need to wait another 20 years :(
[QUOTE=Aslan]
I got the hell out of there before I made a mistake and I'm wondering if anyone out there has ever nailed your Thai girlfriend's sister? My girl seems sort of hurt if I talk to another female more than her or pay too much attention to them even if they are family. I thought getting it on with her sister probably wouldn't go over very well.[/QUOTE]
Could be the sister was testing you. You don't want to fall for temptation traps. Be nice and paak waan but don't touch her.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I know... many of my giks told me so. Fuck! I need to wait another 20 years :([/QUOTE]
Have many thai ladies tell me "Love old farang, Die quick, No power" Dont let them kid you. Money is all they care about and returning to thai boyfriends. Thought these comments funny coming you 2 considering your the best most informed posters here! (besides the late old thai hand)
Staying here for the month and enjoying cool weather and empty venues. Prices are good and hotel cheaper only if you ask.
GP is 1700 exec studio with breakfast and wifi daily, Not locked into the monthly stay, so I can move around as I feel.
[QUOTE=Rikusa]Have many thai ladies tell me "Love old farang, Die quick, No power" Dont let them kid you. Money is all they care about and returning to thai boyfriends. Thought these comments funny coming you 2 considering your the best most informed posters here! (besides the late old thai hand)
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Don't let them kid you too!
With all that Vit V around, its now a ancient myth that older guys die quick. My discussions with MP girls suggest its mainly younger guys that pop real quick, but not being a working girl, I will never know the full truth. Because the older guys are more considerate they do not bang the girl as hard and that is good for the girl too.
P4P girls prefer older guys for their customers. You gave some additional reasons to support that view. Sure they want big money from a nice guy.
Yes some of them support lazy Thai BFs but not all are that stupid. Others have lazy Thai brothers sponging off the family to pay for their women and gambling.
Remember that sometimes we are just stirring. But we know what goes on after all this time.
But do your own survey of P4P bargirls. Do they like young "punks" or middle aged guys or geriatrics? I reakon the middle aged guys might just win it, even if its because the young ones are stingy.
Hi Guys
This week I visited Hollywood carousel (nep 3rd floor) for the first time in months. They were reasonably busy and had some nice girls doing shows.
When I came back to the hognam, I noticed that there was a second drink slip in my bin. It was for a 230 bath tequilla, which I didn't order. When I asked the waitress about it, she apologized and said it was for the guy on the next table, more than 5 meters away, and put the slip in his bin. In the following discussion between two waitresses I heard the word Mauw (=drunk) several times, however my thai is not good enough to understand the whole discussion between them. Now I could have been a honest mistake but I think they tried to inflate my bill and that one waitress was telling the other to only try this stunt with guys that are drunk and won't notice. When the waitresses were gone, a bg who watched the scene, came over and told me to be careful with my bin in there as there had been problems in the past.
I will certainly not go back to Hollywood Carousel anytime soon.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
But do your own survey of P4P bargirls. Do they like young "punks" or middle aged guys or geriatrics? I reakon the middle aged guys might just win it, even if its because the young ones are stingy.[/QUOTE]
I've found that the younger "newbies" tend to like the younger guys b/c they really don't understand the financial aspect to p4p yet. The older or more experienced girls tend to go for the older guys b/c that is where the money is.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I've found that the younger "newbies" tend to like the younger guys b/c they really don't understand the financial aspect to p4p yet. The older or more experienced girls tend to go for the older guys b/c that is where the money is.[/QUOTE]
Here's what I think:
They tell the young guys that they like young guys best.
They tell the middle aged guys that they like middle aged guys best.
They tell the old guys that they like older guys best.
I'm an older guy and I've never heard one of them say that they like younger guys, and I bet they never tell young studs like Nic Frenchy that they like older guys better.
In short, they will tell you what you want to hear.
It's good for business.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I've found that the younger "newbies" tend to like the younger guys b/c they really don't understand the financial aspect to p4p yet. The older or more experienced girls tend to go for the older guys b/c that is where the money is.[/QUOTE]
Very true. The girl is new to the bar. She doesn't go with customers yet, unless, they are real spunks and she fancies them 25-30 YOs. After a while, she goes more often. She tries some older guys 40-50 that look good and are very nice to her. She finds they are more generous, more into her than into themselves, and really not so bad. Soon she starts finding she actually prefers the older guys. She makes more money and they are more experienced in bed. They treat her with more respect. After a while she starts avoiding the young arrogant or stingy ones and only goes goes with young guys if they show humility and generosity.
This is not every girl, but I certaintly know such a girl.
When she first saw me she thought I was aloof and there was no way she would consider me. After buying her a drink or two and chatting, she thought perhaps I was O.K. after all. After she went with me for the night, she was soon wanting to see me every night.
It doesn't matter what girls prefer, we have the power to make them consider something else.
So, in the end, I don't care if a girl generally prefers young guys. She can always make an exception for me.
Most girls can't actually guess how old I am anyway.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Here's what I think: In short, they will tell you what you want to hear. It's good for business.[/QUOTE]
Just like the often heard, "Thai man no good!"
I do think that a lot of older (say 27yo+) P4P workers are looking for a way out of the business and see a middle-aged or older [i]farang[/i] as a better chance at making the break once and for-all. They also see (some) middle-aged Thai men as social examples, providing more security than their younger counterparts.
Then, of course, I've been told by some of my Thai women friends that when faced with a [i]marriage ultimatum,[/i] some Thai men will choose their boyfriends (butt brothers) over their long time girlfriends.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hahahahaha, so they got you fooled eh? Next thing you will tell us they prefer men over 60?
No offense but, what a Thai girl tells you and what she realy thinks are two very different things. They are very good at polishing Egoes.
I can bet you that while your "Pompui" lover tell you she loves you and you look great, she thinks about the 6 packs of her Thai boyfriend.
Thai girls prefer slim, Well dressed and Clean shaven men; now I said it's what they prefer, not what they end up with.[/QUOTE]
I think I like to be around Thai ladies for the ego boost. Now I have had one live with me for 3 weeks now, she suggests I should start going to the gym again. I was going to the gym before she got here.
She saw some porn on my ipod and was laughing while watching, then I took her to my computer and should her a large selection of porn. She does like to say that that man has sexy body, and at the same time say that woman has a pretty pussy. So, yeah, she would really prefer one of those porn studs with the hardcore bodies.
I like to show her all the anal videos to show her, it ain't so bad.
I think I have her convinced she is going to let me do her in the butt for Christmas. As she said, she had no money to buy me something, what can I do? hehe.. I said I want to do her in the butt, I said I never did that before... a small lie.
Anways, yeah, I think the prefer the studs, but have sweet mouths to make the customers, or men happy. But after so many years of hearing I like pom pui men, I think I just about believe it. I have also heard the " he is fat, so he has money to buy food" story.
[QUOTE=Gagoo]
I was going to the gym before she got here.
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You can't just go to the gym, you actually have to lift weights or something ;)
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]
I do think that a lot of older (say 27yo+) P4P workers are looking for a way out of the business and see a middle-aged or older [i]farang[/i] as a better chance at making the break once and for-all. They also see (some) middle-aged Thai men as social examples, providing more security than their younger counterparts.
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At 27 a Thai girl's "sell by date" has long passed. Thai men are looking for 17 year old virgins to marry.
[QUOTE=Spider916]Hi Guys
This week I visited Hollywood carousel (nep 3rd floor) for the first time in months. They were reasonably busy and had some nice girls doing shows.
When I came back to the hognam, I noticed that there was a second drink slip in my bin. It was for a 230 bath tequilla, which I didn't order. When I asked the waitress about it, she apologized and said it was for the guy on the next table, more than 5 meters away, and put the slip in his bin. In the following discussion between two waitresses I heard the word Mauw (=drunk) several times, however my thai is not good enough to understand the whole discussion between them. Now I could have been a honest mistake but I think they tried to inflate my bill and that one waitress was telling the other to only try this stunt with guys that are drunk and won't notice. When the waitresses were gone, a bg who watched the scene, came over and told me to be careful with my bin in there as there had been problems in the past.
I will certainly not go back to Hollywood Carousel anytime soon.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
You should never run a "tab" in any of these places. Always pay for each round as it's delivered. That way they never make "mistakes."
[QUOTE=Retired Army]At 27 a Thai girl's "sell by date" has long passed. Thai men are looking for 17 year old virgins to marry.[/QUOTE]Even younger: 15 year-old is the age of consent here.
But the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act disallows any sexual contact with prostitutes under the age of 18.
[QUOTE=Goyave]Even younger: 15 year-old is the age of consent here.
But the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act disallows any sexual contact with prostitutes under the age of 18.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure it's 15? It used to be 13, and then 15 and I thought it was recently raised to 17 or 18. But, perhaps, I am confusing the age of consent with the Prostitution Act. I will have to ask my wife what is now the current age of consent.
Nic, got it right! I believe this was a test. Regardless if it was or not you made the right move! Although tempting!
Women thinking in Thailand isn't as open as in Western world. I have found out having women friends in Thailand is a no no! No such thing from my experience. I had a women talk to me and I wouldn't f--k her with your dick and I didn't think my wife even saw us talking but when I went into the house I got a grilling.
LBM
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Are you sure it's 15? It used to be 13, and then 15 and I thought it was recently raised to 17 or 18. But, perhaps, I am confusing the age of consent with the Prostitution Act. I will have to ask my wife what is now the current age of consent.[/QUOTE]As far as I know, yes, it's 15. Several sources
([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia"]Wikipedia[/url] for instance and for what it's worth) still mention the same age of consent in Thailand. And last year, I was a guest at a "common law" marriage in an I-San village: the bride was 15 and the groom 20.
But it is also said that [i]"from the Penal Code Amendment Act of 1997 Section 283bis, having sex with child under 18 is a compoundable offense even with the consent of that person. The parent or the child may file charge against the other side if he or she later regrets his or her own action. This ostensibly makes the Thai unfettered age of consent 18."[/i]
Looks like it's officially 15, unless parents complain. Anyway, it's 18+ to be safe in case of a P4P intercourse.
By the way, the now 16-year old girl is already pregnant. Maybe it is a case of Immaculate Conception because nobody put her husband in jail. ;)
Spent few days in Bangkok mongering earlier this week, after about half a year since previous round.
One thing that bothers me is that the quality of ladies at least in places where I used to go has been substantially reduced compared to few years back. Until couple of years ago, I used to stop by in BKK every couple of month or so for short breaks, mostly going to Nana disco, CM2 and Soi 7 beer garden, with occasional jump to GoGos. Nana disco, and the parking lot
after disco was closed, used to have good supply of good looking, eager ladies, both pro's and also freelancers especially on weekends.
My observations this week are quite a bit different; Angles disco has barely any people, and parking lot quantity and quality is down too. Beergarden in Soi 7 only has almost only the old ugly ones left; students and freelances who used to come in weekend afternoons for some extra money are gone. Even in CM2 I think quality of local talent has come down, taken over by russians who I am not interested a bit. Spice club in Soi 11 had few decent ones - but guy to gal ratio was not favourable, especially if looking for better looking ladies only. Some GoGo's seemed to have decent quality girls, but think places with beauties are also fewer than they used to be; I am not a GoGo guy though, prefer the more "natural" approach in discos bars, and even streets and parking lots.
Those of you living locally, do you know what has happened? This country must have beatuful gilrs as it did before - but where are they; are the some new places where these gals would go instead of the places that used to be good hunting grounds before?
Knob
[QUOTE=Knobrm]...Those of you living locally, do you know what has happened? This country must have beatuful gilrs as it did before - but where are they; are the some new places where these gals would go instead of the places that used to be good hunting grounds before?
Knob[/QUOTE]
Perhaps they've all gone to Pattaya. There is no end to them here.
Low season; the recent political crisis; the airport closing -- nothing has diminished the supply of pretty girls here. Reports on this forum of late are even describing many cuties plying their trade on Beach Road and soi 6.
I see dozens of them on Walking Street every time I visit, and there are dozens more in the go-go's, beer bars and discos. Maybe they have all discovered that Bangkok is a pit and Pattaya is the place to be.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]At 27 a Thai girl's "sell by date" has long passed. Thai men are looking for 17 year old virgins to marry.[/QUOTE]My very best regulars are 27 and older, but as small and Asian they could easily pass for much younger looking, say 17 to 22.
From the NEP area recently i picked up a 21 YO SW with braces on her teeth who looked like an 8th grader.
A 17 year old TG would look around 12 by Western Standards.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Perhaps they've all gone to Pattaya. There is no end to them here. [/QUOTE]
That's a possibility because I have to agree, the Talent in Bangkok is getting weaker and weaker
[QUOTE=Goyave]As far as I know, yes, it's 15. Several sources
([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia"]Wikipedia[/url] for instance and for what it's worth) still mention the same age of consent in Thailand. And last year, I was a guest at a "common law" marriage in an I-San village: the bride was 15 and the groom 20.
But it is also said that [i]"from the Penal Code Amendment Act of 1997 Section 283bis, having sex with child under 18 is a compoundable offense even with the consent of that person. The parent or the child may file charge against the other side if he or she later regrets his or her own action. This ostensibly makes the Thai unfettered age of consent 18."[/i]
Looks like it's officially 15, unless parents complain. Anyway, it's 18+ to be safe in case of a P4P intercourse.
By the way, the now 16-year old girl is already pregnant. Maybe it is a case of Immaculate Conception because nobody put her husband in jail. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yes but a working girl has to be 18 and some places only take 20+
[QUOTE=Retired Army]You should never run a "tab" in any of these places. Always pay for each round as it's delivered. That way they never make "mistakes."[/QUOTE]
This is a bit impractical unless very few drinks. Its enough to check each bill slip, normally and add up yourself before you pay. I don't have much hassle at Soi Cowboy.
Pat Pong is definitely the major rip off area.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes but a working girl has to be 18... [/QUOTE]Sure. I wrote it two times (in my previous posts in this thread).
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]and some places only take 20+[/QUOTE]If I am not mistaken, it's the case for all the patrons (but not for the waiters / waitress apparently) in places where alcohol beverages are on sale. It seems that it's not always enforced though.
[QUOTE=Gagoo] So, yeah, she would really prefer one of those porn studs with the hardcore bodies.
.[/QUOTE]
Thai girls like a guy with good toned body but not so much the huge musclebound steroidal guys in American Porn.
Some girls strangely like ciddly guys. Not sure why? I don't like ciuddly girls.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]This is a bit impractical unless very few drinks. Its enough to check each bill slip, normally and add up yourself before you pay. I don't have much hassle at Soi Cowboy.
Pat Pong is definitely the major rip off area.[/QUOTE]
There are some on 33 that are a shady as well, no area is perfect. Basically there are some bars at all venue's that can be a little more of a risk for the check bin then others...
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]This is a bit impractical unless very few drinks. Its enough to check each bill slip, normally and add up yourself before you pay. I don't have much hassle at Soi Cowboy.
Pat Pong is definitely the major rip off area.[/QUOTE]Noble gents,
Got ripped off 3 years ago at Sheba's. Paid with 1000 TB bill, got the change for 500 TB. Protests were totally useless. Important always to stress: These are 1000 TB. They will try to trick the next one.
Other topic: my thai gf is slow to come. Want to help with a small vibrator but I never saw any places where sex toys were on sale. Not on Suk road, Patbong or Pantip. Any advice?
LP
[QUOTE=Knobrm]...Those of you living locally, do you know what has happened? This country must have beatuful gilrs as it did before - but where are they; are the some new places where these gals would go instead of the places that used to be good hunting grounds before? [/QUOTE]
The bar girls earn a salary, so as a cost cutting measure due to the lack of customers, the girls are asked to stay home, and mamasan will call if there are enough customers. Same with the soapies, except they don't have a salary, still they're staying home and only come in when mamasan calls.
Some use the chance to visit family up country. Not sure about the freelancers, but for sure there are a lot more of them hanging around along Sukhumvit now, some even decent looking, except some of them are LB for sure, so I wouldn't risk it.
Some jump at the chance of travelling with a regular to Phuket, Samui, etc. for a few days.
PS. Just came back from the weekend in Hua Hin. The bars near the Hilton hotel are dead dead, practically empty, every single one. Only this one bar has 3 customers on the entire street block.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]...Some girls strangely like cuddly guys. Not sure why? I don't like cuddly girls.[/QUOTE]
That's the secret Mick. Cudlyness (fat??) is a sign of wealth and generousity! It's not young guys or old guys, the cuddly guys have more money ;) and give more.
How else can I explain why my favorite dropped me? I'm old and generous, everyone at this place knows it, but I'm not cudly enough!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]A 17 year old TG would look around 12 by Western Standards.[/QUOTE]
I read this and had to respond with an anecdote, because I found this funny and oh-so-true.
In 2001, I took my ex-TGF to Canada for a visit with my family. While having lunch at Tablerock Restaurant overlooking Niagara Falls, the waitress handed my 23 y.o. GF the children's menu, a set of crayons and a placemat for colouring. My GF and I got no end of fun out of this for years after and the coloured placemat had a place of honour on our fridge.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I read this and had to respond with an anecdote, because I found this funny and oh-so-true.
In 2001, I took my ex-TGF to Canada for a visit with my family. While having lunch at Tablerock Restaurant overlooking Niagara Falls, the waitress handed my 23 y.o. GF the children's menu, a set of crayons and a placemat for colouring. My GF and I got no end of fun out of this for years after and the coloured placemat had a place of honour on our fridge.[/QUOTE]
I've heard of bold nanny waitresses lecturing and refusing to bring a glass of wine to a pregnant woman.
No matter how young your GF looked, she surely didn't resemble a little child who might enjoy a set of crayons. Did it occur to you that the waitress was trying to insult you for 'robbing the cradle'?
[QUOTE=Daddy07]I've heard of bold nanny waitresses lecturing and refusing to bring a glass of wine to a pregnant woman.
No matter how young your GF looked, she surely didn't resemble a little child who might enjoy a set of crayons. Did it occur to you that the waitress was trying to insult you for 'robbing the cradle'?[/QUOTE]
I've seen a Thai woman who was clearly (to me) in her thirties asked for ID in a supermarket in the UK, and I've also been out socialising with friends who included a Thai woman who is 29 and her 9yo daughter and witnessed a stranger referring to the Thai woman's daughter as her younger sister :D.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I read this and had to respond with an anecdote, because I found this funny and oh-so-true.
In 2001, I took my ex-TGF to Canada for a visit with my family. While having lunch at Tablerock Restaurant overlooking Niagara Falls, the waitress handed my 23 y.o. GF the children's menu, a set of crayons and a placemat for colouring. My GF and I got no end of fun out of this for years after and the coloured placemat had a place of honour on our fridge.[/QUOTE]A Thai woman that I know visited France when she was 22 year old. She bought some clothes, but had to go in the children section in the shops and department stores. Her French size then was 10 year old for skirts and pants, 13 year old for tops and shirts!
[QUOTE=Knobrm]Those of you living locally, do you know what has happened? This country must have beatuful gilrs as it did before - but where are they; are the some new places where these gals would go instead of the places that used to be good hunting grounds before?[/QUOTE]
Obviously quality is drastically, shockingly down compared to say 6-10 years ago, even with the slight uptick recently due to the economic downturn. Quite simply, the prettier girls are not available to farangs in a better economic environment, because if at all possible they prefer to either 1) remain respectable, or 2) only service Thai men and avoid the despised farang.
This is basically the same pattern that has repeated itself in Asian country after Asian country - many decades ago Japan, in the last couple of decades South Korea, and now the last domino to fall, Thailand. The world darkens, our options draw in, and we are lost gentlemen.
But as to how to deal with it for now, Knobrm, just get used to being serviced by older, unattractive women. That's what I've done.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]I've seen a Thai woman who was clearly (to me) in her thirties asked for ID in a supermarket in the UK, and I've also been out socialising with friends who included a Thai woman who is 29 and her 9yo daughter and witnessed a stranger referring to the Thai woman's daughter as her younger sister :D.[/QUOTE]
I have never been asked for Id even when I was younger. Went to disco in Australia with 40 Kg Thai girl and she was asked to show her Id at the age of 37.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]In 2001, I took my ex-TGF to Canada for a visit with my family. While having lunch at Tablerock Restaurant overlooking Niagara Falls, the waitress handed my 23 y.o. GF the children's menu, a set of crayons and a placemat for colouring. My GF and I got no end of fun out of this for years after and the coloured placemat had a place of honour on our fridge.[/QUOTE]
Canadians aren't the brightest tools in the Box. When I was there for a week, I used to buy my cigarettes from the same Vendor every morning and Every morning the lady asked me for my ID.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Canadians aren't the brightest tools in the Box. When I was there for a week, I used to buy my cigarettes from the same Vendor every morning and Every morning the lady asked me for my ID.[/QUOTE]
Damn Nick that was cold-blooded. I laughed like hell at this one. LOL :D
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cold%20blooded[/url]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Do they like young "punks" or middle aged guys or geriatrics?[/QUOTE]When I was in my 20s they almost all said they loved young guys. Now that I'm over twice that age, they assure me that they really like guys in their 40s and 50s. And I have no doubt that in ten years they're going to reveal that they actually prefer guys in their 60s.
Sorry, call me a cynic . . . .
[QUOTE=Goyave]As far as I know, yes, it's 15. Several sources
([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia"]Wikipedia[/url] for instance and for what it's worth) still mention the same age of consent in Thailand. And last year, I was a guest at a "common law" marriage in an I-San village: the bride was 15 and the groom 20.
But it is also said that [i]"from the Penal Code Amendment Act of 1997 Section 283bis, having sex with child under 18 is a compoundable offense even with the consent of that person. The parent or the child may file charge against the other side if he or she later regrets his or her own action. This ostensibly makes the Thai unfettered age of consent 18."[/i]
Looks like it's officially 15, unless parents complain. Anyway, it's 18+ to be safe in case of a P4P intercourse.
By the way, the now 16-year old girl is already pregnant. Maybe it is a case of Immaculate Conception because nobody put her husband in jail. ;)[/QUOTE]
What this means is: the age of consent is 18 unless you have money to pay off the parents and then it's 15.
[QUOTE=Opebo]
This is basically the same pattern that has repeated itself in Asian country after Asian country - many decades ago Japan, in the last couple of decades South Korea, and now the last domino to fall, Thailand. The world darkens, our options draw in, and we are lost gentlemen.
But as to how to deal with it for now, Knobrm, just get used to being serviced by older, unattractive women. That's what I've done.[/QUOTE]
Or you will just have to pay more and use upscale escort agencies which, by Western standards, are extremely cheap.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Canadians aren't the brightest tools in the Box. [/QUOTE]
What about the sharpest bulb in the chandelier?
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I read this and had to respond with an anecdote, because I found this funny and oh-so-true.
In 2001, I took my ex-TGF to Canada for a visit with my family. While having lunch at Tablerock Restaurant overlooking Niagara Falls, the waitress handed my 23 y.o. GF the children's menu, a set of crayons and a placemat for colouring. My GF and I got no end of fun out of this for years after and the coloured placemat had a place of honour on our fridge.[/QUOTE]
Where have you been? We were worried and missed your expert observations of Thai, or lack of, culture.:)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes but a working girl has to be 18 and some places only take 20+[/QUOTE]
Regardless of what another country allows, U.S. citizens may be prosecuted in the U.S. if the girl is less than 18. Do not risk it.
[QUOTE=Professor 1]Regardless of what another country allows, U.S. citizens may be prosecuted in the U.S. if the girl is less than 18. Do not risk it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is true.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I read this and had to respond with an anecdote, because I found this funny and oh-so-true.
In 2001, I took my ex-TGF to Canada for a visit with my family. While having lunch at Tablerock Restaurant overlooking Niagara Falls, the waitress handed my 23 y.o. GF the children's menu, a set of crayons and a placemat for colouring. My GF and I got no end of fun out of this for years after and the coloured placemat had a place of honour on our fridge.[/QUOTE]
lucky you that you did not leave the place hands in hands...she'd call the police as a pervert was in the neighbourhood!
[QUOTE=Betong]When I was in my 20s they almost all said they loved young guys. Now that I'm over twice that age, they assure me that they really like guys in their 40s and 50s. And I have no doubt that in ten years they're going to reveal that they actually prefer guys in their 60s.
Sorry, call me a cynic . . . .[/QUOTE] no no..call you (from their perspection): walking ATM, lol
Opebo,
I've been going to Bangkok since 2000, and I've found the quality to be about the same now as it's been for the past eight years. There are, however, fluctuations. One trip, the quality wil be good, the next trip it will be mediocre and the trip after that, the quality will be excellent. For me, the quality on the last trip was as high as it's ever been, and as Mick can testify, I'm quite picky. It does, however, take patience and research to find good quality girls. Sometimes when I go into BG 7, Thermae, Gulliver's or CM2, I'll see no girls that meet my standards. I just walk in, walk around, then move on to the next place. If I keep on looking, I almost always find someone good. The same thing applies to soapies. Recently Mick and I went to Utopia (usually a good place), but we didn't find anyone we liked. We left and went to Tarawadee and both of us ended up finding someone acceptable. Right now, Tulip has some of the best-looking girls with the best service that they have ever had.
My view is that it makes no sense to bemoan the state of the girls in Bangkok. There are some great ones out there. It just takes some planning and patience to find them.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Obviously quality is drastically, shockingly down compared to say 6-10 years ago, even with the slight uptick recently due to the economic downturn. Quite simply, the prettier girls are not available to farangs in a better economic environment, because if at all possible they prefer to either 1) remain respectable, or 2) only service Thai men and avoid the despised farang.
This is basically the same pattern that has repeated itself in Asian country after Asian country - many decades ago Japan, in the last couple of decades South Korea, and now the last domino to fall, Thailand. The world darkens, our options draw in, and we are lost gentlemen.
But as to how to deal with it for now, Knobrm, just get used to being serviced by older, unattractive women. That's what I've done.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Where have you been? We were worried and missed your expert observations of Thai, or lack of, culture.:)[/QUOTE]
Maybe OTH should change his handle to The Scarlet Pimpernel ;).
One of the things that was guaranteed to wind up my wife, when we first moved to UK, was the way that people assumed that she was Chinese. She used to come home fuming as kids had been taunting her with cries of 'chinky, chinky'. I used to think it as funny as hell, as my wife is a Filipina and looks as much Chinese as I do an Eskimo :D.
[QUOTE=Canyon]
I've been going to Bangkok since 2000, and I've found the quality to be about the same now as it's been for the past eight years. [/QUOTE]
I think its true that he can't get the same quality as 10 years ago for the same price he paid 10 years ago ;) LOL
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]One of the things that was guaranteed to wind up my wife, when we first moved to UK, was the way that people assumed that she was Chinese. She used to come home fuming as kids had been taunting her with cries of 'chinky, chinky'. I used to think it as funny as hell, as my wife is a Filipina and looks as much Chinese as I do an Eskimo :D.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, most people are still ignorant about Asia. In France, I am not even sure if people can cite 5 asian countries if asked spontaneously! Given our History, Vietnam should come first, Thailand and Filippines are easy to guess and China + Japan are obvious.
Last year I was in Paris and I realised that mentalities did not change: if you are Asian, you are Chinese. Not that they would be able to differentiate, they just don't care.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Unfortunately, most people are still ignorant about Asia. In France, I am not even sure if people can cite 5 asian countries if asked spontaneously! Given our History, Vietnam should come first, Thailand and Filippines are easy to guess and China + Japan are obvious.
Last year I was in Paris and I realised that mentalities did not change: if you are Asian, you are Chinese. Not that they would be able to differentiate, they just don't care.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Those Frenchmen aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. ;)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Unfortunately, most people are still ignorant about Asia. In France, I am not even sure if people can cite 5 asian countries if asked spontaneously! Given our History, Vietnam should come first, Thailand and Filippines are easy to guess and China + Japan are obvious.
Last year I was in Paris and I realised that mentalities did not change: if you are Asian, you are Chinese. Not that they would be able to differentiate, they just don't care.[/QUOTE]That's true, but not all people in France are so ignorant about Asia. I know quite a few though who think that you are speaking about Taiwanese people when talking about "Thais"!.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yep. Those Frenchmen aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. ;)[/QUOTE]
You won't get any disagreements from me there.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yep. Those Frenchmen aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. ;)[/QUOTE]You find ignorance in evey country among the not travelled ones.
Ask randomly people in New York how far it is to LA and you'll be surprised.
In Germany I heard several times that it was Japan where everything is manufactured cheaply. If it had been a single incident, it could have been an Alzheimer on his long term memory, but that is obvoiusly not the case.
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Maybe OTH should change his handle to The Scarlet Pimpernel ;).
One of the things that was guaranteed to wind up my wife, when we first moved to UK, was the way that people assumed that she was Chinese. She used to come home fuming as kids had been taunting her with cries of 'chinky, chinky'. I used to think it as funny as hell, as my wife is a Filipina and looks as much Chinese as I do an Eskimo :D.[/QUOTE]
My Pinay wife is mistaken for Japanese. With a Spanish surname, Latinos try to speak Spanish to her. When we got married 20+ years ago, people thought she was my daughter now they think she is my grand daughter. At 40+ she can still pass for 25.
Slim
Almost depressed by Obepo's comment - I do not feel like wanting to accept to be served by less attractive women; it is not fair...so encouraged by Canyons observations. However, unfortunately my own observations are not as encouraging as his. I have actually been doing BKK since late 2000 too, and as said, quality on average is just down in past couple of years. But hope that my recent visits in past couple of years have been just those less lucky times, and things will turn better going forward.
[QUOTE=Canyon]Opebo,
I've been going to Bangkok since 2000, and I've found the quality to be about the same now as it's been for the past eight years. There are, however, fluctuations. One trip, the quality wil be good, the next trip it will be mediocre and the trip after that, the quality will be excellent. For me, the quality on the last trip was as high as it's ever been, and as Mick can testify, I'm quite picky. It does, however, take patience and research to find good quality girls. Sometimes when I go into BG 7, Thermae, Gulliver's or CM2, I'll see no girls that meet my standards. I just walk in, walk around, then move on to the next place. If I keep on looking, I almost always find someone good. The same thing applies to soapies. Recently Mick and I went to Utopia (usually a good place), but we didn't find anyone we liked. We left and went to Tarawadee and both of us ended up finding someone acceptable. Right now, Tulip has some of the best-looking girls with the best service that they have ever had.
My view is that it makes no sense to bemoan the state of the girls in Bangkok. There are some great ones out there. It just takes some planning and patience to find them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knobrm]. . . quality on average is just down in past couple of years.[/QUOTE]It goes up, it goes down, it averages out. Given the current economic prospects, it may soon start to rise. I still remember some of the very nice girls who got onto the game after the crash of '97. Once I even found myself with the the former guest relations manager of a fairly well known Bangkok hotel . . . 26 years old, a Thammasat biz grad, and utterly lovely . . . working in bar in Suk 22. Could be more of these coming soon.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]You find ignorance in evey country among the not travelled ones.
Ask randomly people in New York how far it is to LA and you'll be surprised.
[/QUOTE]
And we also had a VP candidate who thought Africa was a country.........
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]And we also had a VP candidate who thought Africa was a country.........[/QUOTE]
True T1234, but in her defense, she DID know where Russia is. After all, she told us "I can see Russia from my house". ;)
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]And we also had a VP candidate who thought Africa was a country.........[/QUOTE]
This was a bogus quote reported by an Obama blogger and was totally discredited, but not reported by the liberal "drive-by" media.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Sorry Nic, much as I respect your reports, the riposte by RA wins Pisstake Of The Month by a country mile :D.[/QUOTE]
I know, it also made ME laugh. I will not edit my post, fuck it, let people have some fun at the Frenchman's expense ;)
[QUOTE=Opebo]Obviously quality is drastically, shockingly down compared to say 6-10 years ago, even with the slight uptick recently due to the economic downturn. Quite simply, the prettier girls are not available to farangs in a better economic environment, because if at all possible they prefer to either 1) remain respectable, or 2) only service Thai men and avoid the despised farang.
[/QUOTE]
Absolutely true! Asians have become more prosperous and spend more on girls now.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I know, it also made ME laugh. I will not edit my post, fuck it, let people have some fun at the Frenchman's expense ;)[/QUOTE]
At least you don't twitter on about gulls and fishing boats. But do you wear your collar up and karate kick your detractors? :eek:
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Yeah, but you lived in Thailand for donkey's years and [b]still[/b] don't know where most of it is on a map :D.[/QUOTE]
I know where to get som tom, cold beer and warm pussy. What more do I need? ;) And, if there is something I don't know, but need to know, I ask the little lady and she tells me. Life is perfect.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Obviously quality is drastically, shockingly down compared to say 6-10 years ago, even with the slight uptick recently due to the economic downturn. Quite simply, the prettier girls are not available to farangs in a better economic environment, because if at all possible they prefer to either 1) remain respectable, or 2) only service Thai men and avoid the despised farang.
This is basically the same pattern that has repeated itself in Asian country after Asian country - many decades ago Japan, in the last couple of decades South Korea, and now the last domino to fall, Thailand. The world darkens, our options draw in, and we are lost gentlemen.
But as to how to deal with it for now, Knobrm, just get used to being serviced by older, unattractive women. That's what I've done.[/QUOTE]The thing about it all is I've seen hot women in Thailand.
Damn I've seen hot women. Everywhere and anywhere. I'm not knocking anyones taste here when I say this but I've been to NEP + a few other places like CM2 multiple times to try my luck but so far, I've seen nothing I like.
Rather I think the girls I see at The Pent, Pegasus etc are more my liking. Younger, Chinese-Thai's with fairer skin and sometimes speak a bit of english which can in return teach me some thai when we've done the deed?
All in all, I really can't comment on how the scene has changed in the past 6. 8 years as 8 years ago, I was still a budding university student but I think that beautiful women can be had in Thailand, more so than many other cities in the world.
Try mongering in taipei. Absolute nightmare. I've heard it can be easy, for those in the know-how. Having only 3 days there made it practically impossible for me.
At the end of the day, there will always be beautiful beautiful beautiful women waiting to show you a thing or two. It all depends on whether you're willing to pay the asking price or not.
Or rather whether or not the asking price is worth it.
... from Vietnam, Cambodia, Myammar, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and China, as well as for flights within Thailand.
Here's the article:
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20081216/ap_tr_ge/as_travel_brief_thailand_airasia_free_seats[/url]
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Redfield10,
Amjeck,
The last time I look this was suppose to be a globol economy! Have you looked at the Asian stock market recently! Does being Asian exempt me from the current stock market crash? I'm looking at my stock statement it has dropped! I'm looking in the mirror and I though I was white but I'm Asian! So here's a new flash! Being Asian doesn't mean I automatically prosper and we pay more for pussy!
LBM[/QUOTE]
Take a look at the high end p4p scene in LOS and you will see that Asians are the big spenders.
If you didn't know, this does exist.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2482[/url]
Hi fella's,
I'm headed back to Bangkok in a couple day. I know the gogo bar scene like Nana and the bars at Soi 33. Were is a good place to pick up independent girls? Thanks for the help. Pics will follow on my return.
Jay
[QUOTE=JayHighFive]Hi fella's,
I'm headed back to Bangkok in a couple day. I know the gogo bar scene like Nana and the bars at Soi 33. Were is a good place to pick up independent girls? Thanks for the help. Pics will follow on my return.
Jay[/QUOTE]
Independent meaning free lancer ie.. no bar fine or you talking about girls who are non P4P???
Independents IE Free Lancers... Beer Garden, Gullivers, CM2 (higher costing girls, russians and others), Spice Club, Q Club, Thermane Coffee Shop, Bamboo Beer Hall, Nana Parking Lot (not inside NEP), walking down Sukhumvit etc.... Many Many places to pick up Free Lancers...
We all have our favorite spots but most girls do the circuit between Gullivers and Beer Garden and such... they move around.
It's the Holiday Season so I won't say RTFF... so no offense but spending 10 minutes reading the forum would have given you these answers or searching for free lancers will give you tons of info. Now you can search for those names above if you like.
If you want regular thai girls you wont' get it in short stay so don't waste your time.
[QUOTE=JayHighFive]Hi fella's,
I'm headed back to Bangkok in a couple day. I know the gogo bar scene like Nana and the bars at Soi 33. Were is a good place to pick up independent girls? Thanks for the help. Pics will follow on my return.
Jay[/QUOTE]
Wow, Jay, you got some balls coming in here with a P4P question in the Bangkok Forum! be careful, you might disrupt the discussions about politics.
For independant girls, it all depends on what is your budget and how important to you are the surroundings. For example:
If you like the skanky places with 300thb ST girls then Chinatown is your place.
Not far from that is the Lower sukhumvit street walkers (watch out for the Ladyboys) where you can get 500thb ST.
Beergarden, Gullivers are also on Sukh (7 and 5) and the ladies usually price themselves at 1000thb ST. Same for the Nana Parking lot (evening on soi 4)
Cm2, Nana disco might be a little more expensive 1000-1500 ST
Thermae gets going late and lately girls have been asking 1500 to 2000 ST
Same for girls at Toxic, Q bar adn the likes.
Most expensive are at bars like Spasso, these girls are not very different than the others but prefer to have only 1 guy per night (rather than try adn get 3 or 4) and charge 5000 (or even more).
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wow, Jay, you got some balls coming in here with a P4P question in the Bangkok Forum! be careful, you might disrupt the discussions about politics.
For independant girls, it all depends on what is your budget and how important to you are the surroundings. For example:
If you like the skanky places with 300thb ST girls then Chinatown is your place.
Not far from that is the Lower sukhumvit street walkers (watch out for the Ladyboys) where you can get 500thb ST.
Beergarden, Gullivers are also on Sukh (7 and 5) and the ladies usually price themselves at 1000thb ST. Same for the Nana Parking lot (evening on soi 4)
Cm2, Nana disco might be a little more expensive 1000-1500 ST
Thermae gets going late and lately girls have been asking 1500 to 2000 ST
Same for girls at Toxic, Q bar adn the likes.
Most expensive are at bars like Spasso, these girls are not very different than the others but prefer to have only 1 guy per night (rather than try adn get 3 or 4) and charge 5000 (or even more).[/QUOTE]I've never paid (been asked) more than 2000 LT, be it Rainbow, Spice Club, Soi 22 or the Lodge.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I've never paid (been asked) more than 2000 LT, be it Rainbow, Spice Club, Soi 22 or the Lodge.[/QUOTE]
You must be selecting incredibly cheap girls.
I know plenty of girls who would not be tempted by 2000 for LT. They would probably do ST only.
O.K. Times are tough right now.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]You must be selecting incredibly cheap girls.
I know plenty of girls who would not be tempted by 2000 for LT. They would probably do ST only.
O.K. Times are tough right now.[/QUOTE]I am not selecting cheap girls. Example: Rainbow, Livingstones, Deja Vu, Tilac.
But I always pass on those who don't want to do LT. If I click with a girl she normally quotes moderately. If not, I don't even consider asking for the price.
And I don't only talk about now, even though I am just back from BKK.
A year ago I had a girl from Spice club LT at that price who works in Titanium. There of course I would have had no chance at that price, but from Spice club it was ok.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wow, Jay, you got some balls coming in here with a P4P question in the Bangkok Forum! be careful, you might disrupt the discussions about politics.
For independant girls, it all depends on what is your budget and how important to you are the surroundings. For example:
If you like the skanky places with 300thb ST girls then Chinatown is your place.
Not far from that is the Lower sukhumvit street walkers (watch out for the Ladyboys) where you can get 500thb ST.
Beergarden, Gullivers are also on Sukh (7 and 5) and the ladies usually price themselves at 1000thb ST. Same for the Nana Parking lot (evening on soi 4)
Cm2, Nana disco might be a little more expensive 1000-1500 ST
Thermae gets going late and lately girls have been asking 1500 to 2000 ST
Same for girls at Toxic, Q bar adn the likes.
Most expensive are at bars like Spasso, these girls are not very different than the others but prefer to have only 1 guy per night (rather than try adn get 3 or 4) and charge 5000 (or even more).[/QUOTE]
Hi NicFrenchy,
I am heading in a couple of weeks to BKK and woulid like to ask you about current rates for LT.
Do you have any idea?
Cheers,
Masacuata
Any particular place in Bangkok where one just HAS to go on new Year's eve (like the Copa in Rio or the Champs E. in Paris)?
Or where one really SHOULD go because it's a wild wet dream getting drunk with Miss Sophie, followed by the same procedure as every year?
I'll be on my own, so I guess I could just settle for the LL party.
[QUOTE=Masacuata]Hi NicFrenchy,
I am heading in a couple of weeks to BKK and woulid like to ask you about current rates for LT.
Do you have any idea?
Cheers,
Masacuata[/QUOTE]
Hi Masacuata,
I usually pay 3,000 for LT but I do not take out girls from "Low-end" GoGos, I usually take them from Shark, they are very pretty and usually quote 4,000.
They are used to Japanese customers and very rarely go with caucasian because we are known to be cheap.
ne can argue that girls like to be treated with respect and blablabla but when it comes down to it, they prefer the cold business like Japanese and more cash.
Most Other Nana or Cowboy bars will be around 2,500 LT.
If you want to pay less, you need to wait until 2:30 am and the girls will drop their price.
Also, look for a girl that already has been on a ST, she will be more inclined to drop her LT price.
Thermae, Gullivers, BG7 will be anywhere between 2k-3k for LT
[QUOTE=Wendella]Um...for the record: I'm an Obama supporter, lifelong Democrat.[/QUOTE]
You're a good man charlie brown ;)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wow, Jay, you got some balls coming in here with a P4P question in the Bangkok Forum! be careful, you might disrupt the discussions about politics.
For independant girls, it all depends on what is your budget and how important to you are the surroundings. For example:
If you like the skanky places with 300thb ST girls then Chinatown is your place.
Not far from that is the Lower sukhumvit street walkers (watch out for the Ladyboys) where you can get 500thb ST.
Beergarden, Gullivers are also on Sukh (7 and 5) and the ladies usually price themselves at 1000thb ST. Same for the Nana Parking lot (evening on soi 4)
Cm2, Nana disco might be a little more expensive 1000-1500 ST
Thermae gets going late and lately girls have been asking 1500 to 2000 ST
Same for girls at Toxic, Q bar adn the likes.
Most expensive are at bars like Spasso, these girls are not very different than the others but prefer to have only 1 guy per night (rather than try adn get 3 or 4) and charge 5000 (or even more).[/QUOTE]
Well, to add some more to that list, someone could go to "the tunnel" (good at weekends, but also expensive), or to Spicy (not Spice Club) which is a good place at the early hours of the day.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hi Masacuata,
I usually pay 3,000 for LT but I do not take out girls from "Low-end" GoGos, I usually take them from Shark, they are very pretty and usually quote 4,000.
They are used to Japanese customers and very rarely go with caucasian because we are known to be cheap.
[/QUOTE]
Nic,
I thought you hardly ever took girls for long time LOL because we don't don't see your LT posts much and you weren't that keen for girls to know where your room is.
I have been to Shark and found it to be a relatively boring bar even if a few reasonably pretty girls. Not many girls even knew how to dance. I was lucky I took two girls as one turned out to be hopeless and the other one good.
The good dancer was the good fuck.
Perhaps I should try again as havn't been in there for a long time.
BTW. A tip for newbies (not Nic of course). Girls that are boring crap dancers are more likely to be boring lousy girls in bed too.
Really good hot dancers usually know how to fuck good too. But don't take a girl putting on a fake act.
Chat to the girl first to suss out her personality.
There are exceptions. Sometimes shy sad girls can change completely in the bedroom and become very passionate.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Nic,
I thought you hardly ever took girls for long time LOL because we don't don't see your LT posts much and you weren't that keen for girls to know where your room is. [/QUOTE]
You are correct Mick. I am not a fan of Gogos and rarely indulge but when I do, Shark is my place of hunting.
I usually get quoted 3,000 LT which I think is fair for multiple fucks.
If you think about it, many guys whine about prices being high but at 3k long time, it's still a good bargain. Just tell the girl you want 4 pops. that's 750 per pop for FS ;)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You are correct Mick. I am not a fan of Gogos and rarely indulge but when I do, Shark is my place of hunting.
I usually get quoted 3,000 LT which I think is fair for multiple fucks.
If you think about it, many guys whine about prices being high but at 3k long time, it's still a good bargain. Just tell the girl you want 4 pops. that's 750 per pop for FS ;)[/QUOTE]
Well I will never get 750 per pop accept maybe with Yok.
My normal LT is only 2 pops.
So its a long time since I ever paid < 1K per pop. But I am hard work (per pop).
BTW Nic, I see now that you have cut nearly all of your Giks, you have time to post again.
Did you simply get bored with the Giks, or were they selfish or of bad character in some other way?
Or the obvious one, they wanted to be more than a Gik?
In November, the FL's in Nana parking lot refused 1000B for 2 hour. They wanted 1000B for 1 hour or 1500B for 2 hours (and they were average looking girls)
Is this normal pricing or am I just not a handsome man? Do these FL's really care about the time or were they just making it an issue because I was making it an issue?
I had the same thing happen , I like tohave them think they are staying 2 hours so its not a rush thing , its not like I have a stopwatch out or anything ,
But saying that made them stick on 1500 more than once ,
Maybe its a Nana FL Union thing and they want extra for overtime!
PS.....I did not pay the 1500, just waited for the next one to walk by....
BK
[QUOTE=Monopoly]Is this normal pricing or am I just not a handsome man? Do these FL's really care about the time or were they just making it an issue because I was making it an issue?[/QUOTE]
No, it isn't normal pricing.
1,000 for ST is 1,000 to the girl until you pop (can be 15 minutes).
Some people (myself included) like to put a time to the deal: minimum 2 hours and I want 2 pops for my 1,000. BG7 girls all agree to this.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]In November, the FL's in Nana parking lot refused 1000B for 2 hour. They wanted 1000B for 1 hour or 1500B for 2 hours (and they were average looking girls)
Is this normal pricing or am I just not a handsome man? Do these FL's really care about the time or were they just making it an issue because I was making it an issue?[/QUOTE]
1000 Baht might be O.K. for ST but the girls will be expecting just one pop and well under 2 hours normally.
Then they can rush back and try for another customer.
When you start making an issue about 2 hours, they start to think that you will be very hard work, maybe not much fun, and want a dectent payout for the hard work.
Very few good standard girls want to work a full 2 hrs for multiple pops for just 1K. They might end up too tired to do another customer. The next customer might offer them 2K or maybe even 3K for LT, if they are a good looker.
The girls refer to Japanese guys as Mister 3s - ST: 3 minutes, 3 inches, 3000 THB ...
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy] I usually pay 3,000 for LT but I do not take out girls from "Low-end" GoGos, I usually take them from Shark, they are very pretty and usually quote 4,000.
They are used to Japanese customers and very rarely go with caucasian because we are known to be cheap.
ne can argue that girls like to be treated with respect and blablabla but when it comes down to it, they prefer the cold business like Japanese and more cash.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Is there anything intrinsically wrong with a girl skilled in sex, charging money for providing this skill. In my opinion no. There is no victim of this supposed "crime".[/QUOTE]
While this seems to be true on the face of it....when you really give it some thought.....it may not be true.
The victim of this non-crime is probably the girl. So here is this sweet girl starting out at this game.....very nice.....she probably supports everone and everyone is happy.
As the years go by and she starts to age.....now she is "no good" (self admitted). Her self-image is destroyed by what she considers to be her low life activity. She starts to drink and smoke and possibly use drugs. When you ask why.....she says that her life is so miserable that she doesn't care if she lives or dies.....she only wants to forget the last asshole she has been licking. Most farang relationships are short term......possibly worse with a Thai...and now she is not young...so her Thai pickings are very, very slim.
She knows there is no good end to all of this. Some save for the future...most don't. So now she is old before her time...not many customers....the future is not bright for her.
The profession does not have a good retirment plan......the girl is the ultimate vicim of all this fun.
Looks like this has converted into an LB hangout. Includes many convincing conversions if that's your thing.
Pity I used to like the live music and FL's at that end of Sukh.
[quote=lover boy #2]while this seems to be true on the face of it....when you really give it some thought.....it may not be true.
the victim of this non-crime is probably the girl. so here is this sweet girl starting out at this game.....very nice.....she probably supports everone and everyone is happy.
as the years go by and she starts to age.....now she is "no good" (self admitted). her self-image is destroyed by what she considers to be her low life activity. she starts to drink and smoke and possibly use drugs. when you ask why.....she says that her life is so miserable that she doesn't care if she lives or dies.....she only wants to forget the last asshole she has been licking. most farang relationships are short term......possibly worse with a thai...and now she is not young...so her thai pickings are very, very slim.
she knows there is no good end to all of this. some save for the future...most don't. so now she is old before her time...not many customers....the future is not bright for her.
the profession does not have a good retirment plan......the girl is the ultimate vicim of all this fun.[/quote]
well i agree its hard for a p4p girl to have a proper bf or husband when she is giving all these unknowns better service.
if she thinks she is a low-life then she is a victim of society's pre-programming that sex is bad.
she should only sell her body if she thinks its o.k. and justified. if she feels bad about it, she should choose a job where she is able to refuse customers that she doesn't like.
maybe i feel bad too that i am single at my age and have spent so much money on mongering and being addicted to sex.
but i can quit at any time and look to the future.
then i look at all my peers with boring wives who rarely come across and i don't really envy them.
some girls seel sex as a means to get rich quickly. they should be able to retire at a young age and leave all that behind them.
other girls have to do p4p merely to make ends meet. they maybe sacrificing their own life prospects in order to give their sons/daughters a better chance in the world.
these girls still have a chance to meet a nice nice farang that will take them away from it all to a more comfortable life some day.
p4p is not a reasion to become a drunk, drug addict, etc. in my view.
i can accept an ex p4p girl as a gf or wife provided she can show her good character still remains and has not been corrupted by the p4p work.
this is possible even if not probable.
too many ex p4ps are still trying to manipulate guys to get money. but not every p4p girl has bad character.
Looking for suggestions. I have a 6AM int'l flight out of BKK, which means leaving for airport around 3AM. So I'm thinking its kind of a waste to get a hotel room for the previous evening, and that I'm better off wearing myself out a little the night before so I might actually sleep a little on the plane. One obvious choice is MPs, but is the posted closing times (e.g. 11 at Tulip) the last time you can get in or the time the girls go home? Any other suggestions for filling the time till 3 without hotel?
Thanks
Bird,
I have taken a 6am flight many times and have stayed in Bangkok for only 12 to 15 hours prior to departing to the aiport at 3am. In my opinion unless you are cheap and stupid! get yourself a room! It doesn't have to be expensive. You can find cheap and decent rooms at the Nana City Inn on Soi 4 ( 800-900 baht ) down from the NEP or maybe the White Orchid Inn also off Soi 4 down from NEP for 800-900 baht. In a alley way just off Soi 4... email is
[email]white_orchidsoi4@hotmail.com[/email]
Give yourself a choice.... There times even after a massage at Tulip I like the option of coming and going and just relaxing in the room watching some T.V. and then going back downstairs to snag a ST... in the end 20 bucks isn't going to kill you!
LBM
[QUOTE=Bearsk]The girls refer to Japanese guys as Mister 3s - ST: 3 minutes, 3 inches, 3000 THB ...[/QUOTE]
They must be driving a harder bargain pricewise, then. :-)
The old phrase I heard that the girls use was 2-3-4: 2 inches; 3 minutes; 4000 baht
[QUOTE=Birds]Looking for suggestions. I have a 6AM int'l flight out of BKK, which means leaving for airport around 3AM. So I'm thinking its kind of a waste to get a hotel room for the previous evening, and that I'm better off wearing myself out a little the night before so I might actually sleep a little on the plane. One obvious choice is MPs, but is the posted closing times (e.g. 11 at Tulip) the last time you can get in or the time the girls go home? Any other suggestions for filling the time till 3 without hotel?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
You can certainly find a Bar in Soi Cowboy open till at least 2AM if they have customers. If you pick a girl there is a ST Hotel nearby. There are also freelancers. Once you run out of interest, go to the airport.
[QUOTE=Birds]I have a 6AM int'l flight out of BKK, which means leaving for airport around 3AM. So I'm thinking its kind of a waste to get a hotel room for the previous evening, and that I'm better off wearing myself out a little the night before so I might actually sleep a little on the plane.[/QUOTE]
I am sure you can manage that but, don't you have any luggage?
[QUOTE=Birds]So I'm thinking its kind of a waste to get a hotel room for the previous evening, and that I'm better off wearing myself out a little the night before so I might actually sleep a little on the plane. [/QUOTE]
You can but I'm with LBM, I wouldn't. Much better to grab a girl in your room until you leave. IMHO..
But if you get to know a girl at an MP and like her you can nail her at the MP then take her out for Disco or meal or ST room or whatever if she agrees before hand. You can hang out at Cowboy or head to a late night place (if still open late on weekends mostly). But it really depends on the day of the week from my experience. Sometimes Sukhumvit is full of items to do late and sometime it is dead late at night.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am sure you can manage that but, don't you have any luggage?[/QUOTE]
Most hotels I've been at inside Asia (Philippines, Thailand, China for the most part) are willing to store luggage all day and most will even store it for multiple days. With my transits I've often left items without issues.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]You can but I'm with LBM, I wouldn't. Much better to grab a girl in your room until you leave. IMHO..
[/QUOTE]
I am more with Bird. A room is for sleeping in the bed. Without that, its a waste of money that could be better spent at Tulip and later a ST room will do.
[QUOTE=Birds]Looking for suggestions. I have a 6AM int'l flight out of BKK, which means leaving for airport around 3AM. So I'm thinking its kind of a waste to get a hotel room for the previous evening, and that I'm better off wearing myself out a little the night before so I might actually sleep a little on the plane. One obvious choice is MPs, but is the posted closing times (e.g. 11 at Tulip) the last time you can get in or the time the girls go home? Any other suggestions for filling the time till 3 without hotel?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Hi,
Another option is Annies. If I understand it right you can ger a LT there late and just use theit room until you want to leave. Never tried, but that should fit your bill and the girls are outstanding in service, so you will leave as a happy man.
Rgds,
Mike
First time in Bangkok and thought that I would head down to Cowboy and Shark. As reported previously there are many decent to very decent looking girls. After a beer or two I settled down with a 22yo tiny Isaan spinner who spoke pretty broken english. We agreed to 1500 ST and she promised to take good care of me. So done, bar fine and we went outside for another drink and a smoke. We were laughing it up and It thought I would be in for a good night when she started talking about her dad dying 3 months ago. A bit of a buzz kill but I felt bad and sort of let her say her bit. She also was a bit weird about it. Lighting the first cigarette in a new pack and putting it down on the ground so her "father" could smoke with her. Anyway I disregarded this and was about to suggest to leave when she went to get her friend to come over and have a drink with us. Problem was that her friend hadn't been bar fined and had to keep dancing so she asked if I would do her a favour and split the fine with her. Dumb idea but I went along with it. Anyway friend comes out in her street gear and sits down. We have a final drink and my girl suggests we go but she's a little hungry and wants to cook something for me. I don't really understand with the broken english but next thing I know we're in a taxi and at some local Bangkok market. No farrang anywhere. We're walking around and buying a stuff and she kept asking me for money. At this point I agree I should have bailed but I didn't as she kept promising me a good time. So about 500 baht of groceries later we head off somewhere "close" to cook. Well close ended up being about 20 minutes away and some sketchy ass apartment of her friends which consisted of one room and electric frying pan on a balcony. I never should have got out of the cab but I did and needless to say the rest of the night never got any better. 3 1/2 hours after we had left Cowboy she, her friend, some old neighbor, a brother who drives one of the motorbike taxis and I were sitting in this tiny ass apartment while they feasted on food I bought. Now I wasn't even remotely hungry and at this point 4:30 in the morning I had enough so I said I was leaving and she and her friend followed me out. We walked down some dark alley to a "semi main st" and waited 15 minutes for a taxi. She talked about coming to meet me later after she finished eating and I said I would be sleeping and thanks but no thanks. The cab then arrived and I jumped in the front and said bye. Next thing she jumps in the back. Whatever. After all this crap the least I could get back from her was some decent action. We get back to the hotel and had the most pathetic, unenergetic 15 minute session of my life after which she wanted to leave. She then demands her 1500 ST fee to which I laughed and said she was barely worth 500 but I would give 1000 just to get her away from me. I persisted to explain how awful the night was and how I didn't really sign up to be dragged around feeding her friends neighborhood. She insisted and said "this is business". I gave her the extra 500 but I'll never be back to be fed to the sharks again.
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[QUOTE=Monopoly]In November, the FL's in Nana parking lot refused 1000B for 2 hour. They wanted 1000B for 1 hour or 1500B for 2 hours (and they were average looking girls)[/QUOTE]
The lesson is - do not take any girls from the Nana parking lot. Go to Pattaya.
What is the best way? Taxi, bus? How much should it cost? I am booking the Dynasty Inn Grande and they offer a shuttle for 1200 baht.
Is that a good deal?
Has anyone stayed at this hotel before?
Should I book something else?
Or you can just store your luggage at the airport and stay in a cheap hours room with a girl near cowboy. The girls know the hotels and the room was 350 B when we arrived around 3:30am from partying, as my plane was leaving also at 8am.
[QUOTE=Birds]Looking for suggestions. I have a 6AM int'l flight out of BKK, which means leaving for airport around 3AM. So I'm thinking its kind of a waste to get a hotel room for the previous evening, and that I'm better off wearing myself out a little the night before so I might actually sleep a little on the plane. One obvious choice is MPs, but is the posted closing times (e.g. 11 at Tulip) the last time you can get in or the time the girls go home? Any other suggestions for filling the time till 3 without hotel?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Guys,
Have many of you either been or seen a couple enjoy the night life with the girls at the clubs/bars etc?
[QUOTE=William Rose]First time in Bangkok and thought that I would head down to Cowboy and Shark. As reported previously there are many decent to very decent looking girls. After a beer or two I settled down with a 22yo tiny Isaan spinner who spoke pretty broken english. We agreed to 1500 ST and she promised to take good care of me. So done, bar fine and we went outside for another drink and a smoke. We were laughing it up and It thought I would be in for a good night when she started talking about her dad dying 3 months ago. A bit of a buzz kill but I felt bad and sort of let her say her bit. She also was a bit weird about it. Lighting the first cigarette in a new pack and putting it down on the ground so her "father" could smoke with her. Anyway I disregarded this and was about to suggest to leave when she went to get her friend to come over and have a drink with us. Problem was that her friend hadn't been bar fined and had to keep dancing so she asked if I would do her a favour and split the fine with her. Dumb idea but I went along with it. Anyway friend comes out in her street gear and sits down. We have a final drink and my girl suggests we go but she's a little hungry and wants to cook something for me. I don't really understand with the broken english but next thing I know we're in a taxi and at some local Bangkok market. No farrang anywhere. We're walking around and buying a stuff and she kept asking me for money. At this point I agree I should have bailed but I didn't as she kept promising me a good time. So about 500 baht of groceries later we head off somewhere "close" to cook. Well close ended up being about 20 minutes away and some sketchy ass apartment of her friends which consisted of one room and electric frying pan on a balcony. I never should have got out of the cab but I did and needless to say the rest of the night never got any better. 3 1/2 hours after we had left Cowboy she, her friend, some old neighbor, a brother who drives one of the motorbike taxis and I were sitting in this tiny ass apartment while they feasted on food I bought. Now I wasn't even remotely hungry and at this point 4:30 in the morning I had enough so I said I was leaving and she and her friend followed me out. We walked down some dark alley to a "semi main st" and waited 15 minutes for a taxi. She talked about coming to meet me later after she finished eating and I said I would be sleeping and thanks but no thanks. The cab then arrived and I jumped in the front and said bye. Next thing she jumps in the back. Whatever. After all this crap the least I could get back from her was some decent action. We get back to the hotel and had the most pathetic, unenergetic 15 minute session of my life after which she wanted to leave. She then demands her 1500 ST fee to which I laughed and said she was barely worth 500 but I would give 1000 just to get her away from me. I persisted to explain how awful the night was and how I didn't really sign up to be dragged around feeding her friends neighborhood. She insisted and said "this is business". I gave her the extra 500 but I'll never be back to be fed to the sharks again.
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William, you should've headed straight to Pattaya's beer bars. Punting in Bangkok requires savvy and cynicism. It's not a place for first time Thailand sextourists (as I learned, myself, the hard way).
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I've never paid (been asked) more than 2000 LT, be it Rainbow, Spice Club, Soi 22 or the Lodge.[/QUOTE]
I've always been asked for 3000 LT at these places. You must be very handsome, or charming, or likely both.
I often don't bother negotiating with girls for LT now, just pay them 3000 in the morning (plus cab fare and possibly tip). It's nice not to talk about money, and I only take girls LT when I really like them, and they seem to like me.
[QUOTE=William Rose]She then demands her 1500 ST fee to which I laughed and said she was barely worth 500 but I would give 1000 just to get her away from me. I persisted to explain how awful the night was and how I didn't really sign up to be dragged around feeding her friends neighborhood. She insisted and said "this is business". I gave her the extra 500 but I'll never be back to be fed to the sharks again.[/QUOTE]
Hahahahahahaha... why is it that Farangs in LOS lose all sense of common sense when dealing with prostitutes?
Be firm, the girl will respect you for it. If you are a pushover, you will be taken for a fool (oop, you learned the hard way).
As the lady said: this is business: Play and Pay, then move on to the next girl.
[QUOTE=Washburn]I've always been asked for 3000 LT at these places. You must be very handsome, or charming, or likely both.
I often don't bother negotiating with girls for LT now, just pay them 3000 in the morning (plus cab fare and possibly tip). It's nice not to talk about money, and I only take girls LT when I really like them, and they seem to like me.[/QUOTE]I am 50 and far from being handsome. Being nice to the girls is way more important and does the job most of the time.
In the end, just listen to what is being said..... you can do this and maybe you can do that....... If it doesn't work out then what, walk around until you find something to do. Do I sit in one of outside bars and spend my money on beer instead of a room. I know a room is just for sleeping and you're right that why I don't understand why people spend 4-5 thousand baht for just that! But of course there going to be plenty of discussion about that. In the end, I believe that if Bird doesn't get a room he will be going to the airport and thinking I should have gotten a room.
The time and money just trying to find enough things to do before he goes to the airport he could have gotten the room and expanded his options even if it's just to rest or have a nice hot shower or just be able to sit and take a good shit without being rushed. You can't put a price on that!
Get a cheap room....instead of being a bird sitting on a branch waiting to see what you are going to do next!
A guy like Bird, if he got to ask what to do that indicates to me he's not going to be able to fill the time like a guy like Mick Licker.
LBM
Jodi in Heat,
Suppose to be a nice hotel, but the shuttle to airport for 1200 baht got to be the biggest ripoff I have heard in a long time. For that money they should pick you up in a black stretch limo with a girl to accompany you to the airport. You can walk out grab any taxi, and tell them to turn on the meter and get you to the airport for 300 baht and that's with tip! When I left Nana Hotel 2 weeks ago I grabbed a taxi and told him airport, meter and tollway. I gave him 100 baht for the tollway and he gave me back the change. First time that happen! Fastest driver I ever had and I was at the airport at 7:17AM. I gave him 300 baht. The guy was fast and good.
LBM
[QUOTE=William Rose]First time in Bangkok and thought that I would head down to Cowboy and Shark. As reported previously there are many decent to very decent looking girls. After a beer or two I settled down with a 22yo tiny Isaan spinner who spoke pretty broken english. We agreed to 1500 ST and she promised to take good care of me. So done, bar fine and we went outside for another drink and a smoke. We were laughing it up and It thought I would be in for a good night when she started talking about her dad dying 3 months ago. A bit of a buzz kill but I felt bad and sort of let her say her bit. She also was a bit weird about it. Lighting the first cigarette in a new pack and putting it down on the ground so her "father" could smoke with her. Anyway I disregarded this and was about to suggest to leave when she went to get her friend to come over and have a drink with us. Problem was that her friend hadn't been bar fined and had to keep dancing so she asked if I would do her a favour and split the fine with her. Dumb idea but I went along with it. Anyway friend comes out in her street gear and sits down. We have a final drink and my girl suggests we go but she's a little hungry and wants to cook something for me. I don't really understand with the broken english but next thing I know we're in a taxi and at some local Bangkok market. No farrang anywhere. We're walking around and buying a stuff and she kept asking me for money. At this point I agree I should have bailed but I didn't as she kept promising me a good time. So about 500 baht of groceries later we head off somewhere "close" to cook. Well close ended up being about 20 minutes away and some sketchy ass apartment of her friends which consisted of one room and electric frying pan on a balcony. I never should have got out of the cab but I did and needless to say the rest of the night never got any better. 3 1/2 hours after we had left Cowboy she, her friend, some old neighbor, a brother who drives one of the motorbike taxis and I were sitting in this tiny ass apartment while they feasted on food I bought. Now I wasn't even remotely hungry and at this point 4:30 in the morning I had enough so I said I was leaving and she and her friend followed me out. We walked down some dark alley to a "semi main st" and waited 15 minutes for a taxi. She talked about coming to meet me later after she finished eating and I said I would be sleeping and thanks but no thanks. The cab then arrived and I jumped in the front and said bye. Next thing she jumps in the back. Whatever. After all this crap the least I could get back from her was some decent action. We get back to the hotel and had the most pathetic, unenergetic 15 minute session of my life after which she wanted to leave. She then demands her 1500 ST fee to which I laughed and said she was barely worth 500 but I would give 1000 just to get her away from me. I persisted to explain how awful the night was and how I didn't really sign up to be dragged around feeding her friends neighborhood. She insisted and said "this is business". I gave her the extra 500 but I'll never be back to be fed to the sharks again.
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Don't let them push you around man...stay in charge...social wise, money wise and sex wise....:confused:
[QUOTE=Jodi In Heat]What is the best way? Taxi, bus? How much should it cost? I am booking the Dynasty Inn Grande and they offer a shuttle for 1200 baht.[/QUOTE]
At the airport, go up 2 levels to the Departures entrance and taxis will go to to Nana Soi 4 for 300B and never higher than 400B. I've stayed at all 5 Dynasty properties in BKK and Pattaya and find them clean and a good value. The Grande is the most upscale. I like the "back building" because of the larger showers. You will pay 1000B more for the Soi 6 Grande over the Soi 4 Dynasty which is older but still ok. The new Dawin just opened 5 months ago but I find the rooms to be too small.
[QUOTE=Westsider]At the airport, go up 2 levels to the Departures entrance and taxis will go to to Nana Soi 4 for 300B and never higher than 400B.
...
[/QUOTE]Its not really necessary, even if you take a taxi on the arrival level the fare to Soi 4 should be around THB 250,00 - THB 300,00. But you must take a PUBLIC TAXI, not an AOT car!
If you go up to the departure level you can save THB 50,00 (airport fee for taxis).
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]If you go up to the departure level you can save THB 50,00 (airport fee for taxis).
[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the new Barriers they put make it difficult to now get a taxi @ Departures level... but not impossible.
Today i’ve decided to head to Soi Cowboy for a change. I’ve mostly gone to MP’s and never really spent time on the gogo scene.
Things are quiet these days, I went to "Tilac Bar" which is a quite big facility, and we were no more than eight customers at 8PM. While there were about 50 or 60 girls dancing.
I drank, and I was getting bored, then a mamas an started to get interested in me, it was about time, she recommended number 57, her stage name seems to be Suki.
Friendly girl, nice smile, descent English quite charming. We discuss, eventually she shows herself quite convincing, so I decided to bar fine her. BF was 600 and she quoted me 2K for ST and 3K for LT. I know it’s a rip off, I started to argue, she wouldn’t hear me, then again I’m not going to fight and waste part of my evening to save 500 baths.
She I paid the bf, we went back to the hotel. Shower time, then boom boom. Despite her services were ok, she would BBBJ and do FK’s, the fuck was plain and boring. No click a pure waste of time & money. Also it was technically the worst BJ I have ever received, I think this lady is missing some practice or was never properly guided.
After the deed only about 20 minutes had passed, she dressed up and demanded her money. I didn’t really argue, as I didn’t want to stick any longer with her, so I handed her the 2K for this ultra short time, and told me good night.
Then I thought why should she bother giving me premium services, in 48 hours I’ll be gone, it’s not like she can capitalize on me being a repeat customer. That’s a simple business rule.
And this girl seems to be quite smart and experienced. At least more than me
Even though Soi Cowboy must have its gems, I think I won’t go back there any time soon and will stick to soapies where you can actually claim you’re an expat and you’re not a newbie and soapie girls seems to provide their routine to each client. -
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Hi all,
I just found out that there is a new provider in Bangkok who has a novel idea for pricing.
She charges by the inch!
Obviously she is much too expensive for me but I thought that some of you guys might be interested in a cheap screw!
Have a good Christmas.
Hotman.
[QUOTE=Fun Couple]Guys,
Have many of you either been or seen a couple enjoy the night life with the girls at the clubs/bars etc?[/QUOTE]
I have seen plenty of girls in bars with or without a male partner and a few take a girl away. Its not so uncommon.
Patpong is not normally recommended, unless you want to see really ugly weird shows like smoking a cigarette with the pussy, in which case Queens Castle has plenty of females going to see these ugly shows.
For erotic shows, I recommend Suzie Wong in Soi Cowboy with the "Lesbian Show", and other sexy shows.
I have taken girls to see this show a few times too.
Shark has pretty girls, but boring from a show point of view.
Someone else can comment on Nana Plaza (I haven't been there much).
There are some Soapy Massage places that specialise (to some extent) in group bookings (more than one customer). I believe Colonze 2 is one such place. Plaza Entertainment is probably another.
Can be found on this Map:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.765313,100.58301&spn=0.063941,0.070724&z=14[/url]
Please read Daddy San's report of Distinction for example of a couple having fun:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=729664&postcount=3927[/url]
Hana Massage (mentioned in his report) can be found on this Map:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.732861,100.564427&spn=0.015988,0.017681&z=16[/url]
In addition, just under the heading "Threads in Forum: Thailand" there is a link called "Thailand FAQ" (Frequently Asked Questions). Its important for all newcomers to Thailand to read this, even though its a bit old.
[QUOTE=Hotman 666]Hi all,
I just found out that there is a new provider in Bangkok who has a novel idea for pricing.
She charges by the inch!
Obviously she is much too expensive for me but I thought that some of you guys might be interested in a cheap screw!
Have a good Christmas.
Hotman.[/QUOTE]
I am sorry, but I think you mistook this thread for the Jokes forum? but then again it's not even funny...
[QUOTE=Fun Couple]...So I thank all those who have p/m'd me and I really look forward to learning a great deal more.
I feel like I have 100's of questions some of which may seem very blonde to you all your familar travellers and roll your eyes at my text, one of my greatest fears is that I will get there and my other half will be fine, but for f/f interaction with my male partner might not be as easy to find as I think it is?
...[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I don't have first-hand knowledge, only a few thoughts and suggestions. I happened to talk about this one day with a TG.
I am assuming from your posts that you are specifically looking for another female who would participate with both you and your male partner.
First of all, while it may not be obvious and in public, I think it's a lot easier to find than you think. In fact I think you will be surprised how easy it is, and will laugh at yourself afterwards for worrying too much. After all, this is Bangkok where the sex trade is big and out in the open.
As Mick Licker suggested, do a bit of reading to get some background. While it was intended for the male reader, everything applies to your case as far as the scenes, discos, clubs, bars, etc. as far as options.
I think it's also a lot easier that you are with your male partner. Just walk into any bar, sit down, have a drink, scan the working bar girls, if you see someone you like, wave her over and buy her a drink, talk a bit. Then just straight ask her. Alternatively, if you are shy, ask the mamasan. If you find nothing, move to the next bar.
Be specific and again don't be shy, a 3-some to the girls can mean girl-boy girl-boy, and no girl-girl action. If a girl indicates she does not do it, ask her if she knows who does, they all talk to each other, just be prepared for having your "wants" exposed in public as she talks openly with her bar sisters.
For Bangkok, I would suggest the gogo's in Soi Cowboy and the bars in Soi 22. I think you would waste too much time in the discos such as QBar and the outcome is uncertain, more miss than hit. You can also read the notes on the freelancers at Biergarden for example. Sorry I don't know Pattaya or other cities.
I know a girl in a bar in Soi Cowboy and the ladyboy mamasan there, would be glad to ask them info for you if you like, or introduce you if the timing is convenient. Feel free to PM.
cheers
fly
fun couple,
you have been given good advice but i think there is much better for you in bangkok.
going on and hunting for something that might not work out for you can be frustrating, the whole bar scene (nana, cowboy, soi 22, soi 33) as suggested before might not be the best option. it is if you are a male, but for couples and/or ladies, it is not as easy as it seems.
[b]you must try the eden club before you do anything else![/b]
this club specialises in threesomes: usually 1 male customer picks 2 ladies from the club.
[b]location[/b]
sukhumvit soi 7/1
between soi 7 and soi 9
open from 12.30 pm to midnight (last call)
[b]the menu[/b]
one man with two or more ladies
if unsatisfied with the service, no charge.
special fantasies ? let them know and they will help you organise it
all ladies are bisexual, (vibrator and strap-on dildo).
just show the ladies what you like.
left side of the yellow line: anal sex.
all the ladies provide oral sex.
[b]prices[/b]
a standard session is 90 minutes, but it is possible to extend session in 90-minute increments.
the cost per lady per session: is 1800 bht
take away (10 pm to 6 am) : 3000 bht per lady
full day : 7000 bht per lady
[b]services[/b]
xxx means every lady will provide this service
services that you would like to perform with the ladies :
oral sex bare xxx
cum on face xxx rimming xxx
uniform play xxx
cum in mouth xxx
vaginal sex (with condom) xxx
vaginal fingering xxx
lesbian performance xxx
anal sex (with condom)
anal fingering
spanking
light bondage
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on body
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in mouth
foot worship
services you want the ladies to perform on you :
bare back blowjob (bbbj) xxx
rimming xxx
use toys (strap-on, dildos,,etc... ) xxx
cum sharing xxx
anal fingering xxx
spanking
light bondage
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on body
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in mouth
deep throat
foot worship
the most important thing for you is the following: women are considered guests of the eden club and there is no extra charge for their participation!!
so you can go with your husband, you both pick girls and you tag along free of charge!
eden club specialises in these sort of experiences and when you go there, speak with the owner marc or his assistant bruce, tell them what you want adn what you like, they will tell you exactly which ladies you should select.
if you experience the eden club too late during your stay, you might feel as if you missed out on something great!
i know people who only want to go to the eden club, everyday during their holiday.
in my opinion, there are only a few places where you are guaranteed an excellent service:
1. eden club
2. tulip massage
3. star of light (blowjob bar, and more)
4. annies massage
eden club has an edge over all the above because they have a money back guarantee policy! if you are not happ with the way things went during your session, tell the manager adn they will give you your money back immediately.
eden club is a little too much for me, i have tried it twice adn while the ladies are really good at what they do, it is all a little too pornographic for my shy ego :d
[quote=nicfrenchy]in my opinion, there are only a few places where you are guaranteed an excellent service:
1. eden club
2. tulip massage
3. star of light (blowjob bar, and more)
4. annies massage[/quote]i think that you can add at least [url="http://www.lolitasbangkok.com"][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url][/url] (the other famous bj bar in sukhumvit soi 8) to you list, nicfrenchy. i've been there several times and have always been very satisfied so far. once, the young lady that i had selected probably had just finished eating a som tam (spicy papaya salad) and if i usually enjoy spicy thai food, my dick does not appreciate it as much as my stomach. the girl was giving me head for a few minutes when it started to be rather painful and i told her that my cock was almost on fire. she apologized and talked to the mamasan / cashier lady who offered me a full refund if i did not want to have another girl. i did appreciate their attitude and commercial practice.
about eden club, their concept is indeed great and it should be tried at least once by every monger visiting bangkok, but most of the girls are (in my humble opinion) just average in looks. they are really skilled and very professional (maybe a little bit too much for my taste too). i did not like the fake moanings that started before i even did anything that could have justified them though.
but it's true that almost everything is possible there and this place certainly deserves being recommended.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
Eden club is a little too much for me, I have tried it twice adn while the ladies are really good at what they do, it is all a little too pornographic for my shy ego :D
[/QUOTE]
From your reports, you are the last person I thought I would ever hear that from :-).
Slim
[QUOTE=Nvslim]From your reports, you are the last person I thought I would ever hear that from :-).
Slim[/QUOTE]
For me, there are several problems at Eden.
The first is lacking in really pretty girls.
The second is that girls are doing a business and are a bit too business procedural. They get well paid to put up with all types of things. But its all rather fake and I its too obvious they are just acting. Or maybe I didn't get the best girls. I reckon it would be "fakeness" and lack of chemistry that puts Nic off too.
I wasn't very friendly in the line up and they took exception to me asking the names of the ones I was interested in.
Tulip could easily be just the same, but I get a different feeling there. Although the girl has duties to perform, I allow her more latitude to do what turns her on and she doesn't have to put on an act with me. Yok, for example, really seems to enjoy what she is doing. Its much more go with the flow.
The Tulip lineup is much more friendly in style, once you go downstairs.
If I can tell the girl is fake and putting on an act, I would find a different girl. I like more natural interaction even though its financial transaction.
Did guys ever experience taking a young inexperienced girl for LT, and then have her keep waking you up through the night wanting another round of sex. Perhaps she never had much good sex before??? or just real horny.
Its something special when there is clearly no act and the girl is really enjoying the sex. This is possible very often in Thailand, but rare back home where hookers are just far too business like.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]For me, there are several problems at Eden.
The first is lacking in really pretty girls.
The second is that girls are doing a business and are a bit too business procedural. They get well paid to put up with all types of things. But its all rather fake and I its too obvious they are just acting. Or maybe I didn't get the best girls. I reckon it would be "fakeness" and lack of chemistry that puts Nic off too.
[/QUOTE]
I still go to Eden once in a while because the girls are talented and can always get me off. I agree with Mick that it is too "procedural". They follow a program. The girls are ok looking, not great. My experienece is that they never get wet, never get off and do not enjoy the sex ..it is just a job. So i agree with Mick. Their pussies are also loose. I think all this is because they fuck all day long and it has just lost it's magic. Eden girl's oral skills and attitude are great, though.
Like Mick, I also like the girls that are really into the sex. I am more likely to find this is they are new to the game or if they only have a few customers a month. I have had both good looking girls and plain girls that got wet and orgasmed but find the plain girls more likely to get off. Treating them nice (like a girlfriend) complimenting them and listening seems to bring out the best in them. A surprising number of ladies really get off on the sex. I am young looking and reasonably attractive. Best places I have found for this are Pattaya and Singapore. Worst places are BKK and Kuala Lumpur.
EB
Does anyone know anything about the upscale private clubs like Soprano House? I have been there before but could not figure out what was available, where, and for how much.
If you are into the music, it is definitely a cool place to check out. The girls are 9-10's but I don't know if they are available and if they are if their prices are ridiculous.
Please let me know your thoughts.
[quote=goyave]i think that you can add at least [url="http://www.lolitasbangkok.com"][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url][/url] (the other famous bj bar in sukhumvit soi 8) to you list, nicfrenchy. i've been there several times and have always been very satisfied so far. [/quote]
hi goyave,
i will never go back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. not after what the owners and mamasans do to these girls. there is a big scam going on there where the mamasan scams the girls (i might write about it one day).
another weird and slightly unpleasant fact is that, this month, these girls don't have any holiday! usually they'll get the standard bargirl 4 days a month but, this month, no days are allowed off! considering they have a 3000b barfine - which is so unpayable that they're bound to be working 9 hour days with no choice in refusing customers either... that's a bit much! i like blowjobs but you've got to give the girls some days off!
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]If you are into the music, it is definitely a cool place to check out. The girls are 9-10's but I don't know if they are available and if they are if their prices are ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I have heard of this place however if I were you I would proceed with extreme caution. I have heard it is a very trendy Hi-so Hangout so:
1. Farangs are tolerated but not really welcome
2. If you just go as to "talk" with the wrong girl, you can end up in a coffin
[QUOTE=Nvslim]From your reports, you are the last person I thought I would ever hear that from :-).
Slim[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm not a shy guy but having not only 1 girl but 2 girls scream "fuck my ass baby" is not appealing to me at all.
I like my sex to be gentle and sensual, maybe I am a romantic at heart :D
[quote=nicfrenchy]hi goyave,
i will never go back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. not after what the owners and mamasans do to these girls. there is a big scam going on there where the mamasan scams the girls (i might write about it one day).
another weird and slightly unpleasant fact is that, this month, these girls don't have any holiday! usually they'll get the standard bargirl 4 days a month but, this month, no days are allowed off! considering they have a 3000b barfine - which is so unpayable that they're bound to be working 9 hour days with no choice in refusing customers either... that's a bit much! i like blowjobs but you've got to give the girls some days off![/quote]wow! that's indeed weird. i am a bit surprised but you must have more recent information than i have. i only once barfined a girl from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in bangkok. at that time (four years ago if i am not mistaken) it was only 600 baht for 3 hours (i don't know how much it was for a lt session though) and 600 baht was also the normal rate for one bj on premises. this girl was sweet and funny and we talked a bit together between two shots during this 3 hour session in my hotel room and she was (apparently) quite happy to work there (i don't know how many hours a day it was then, but she used to arrive only at 5pm and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] closing at 1am, it could not have been more than 8 hours, i guess). she told me that she had one day-off a week (yes, that's approximately 4 days a month).
of course, i've been there regularly since but have not barfined anyone nor have talked much with the girls then, therefore, i can't say what the current situation is at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and you certainly are better informed than i am. i'd really like to know more about the scam going on there if you can enlighten me one of these days.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]But its all rather fake and I its too obvious they are just acting. .....Tulip could easily be just the same, but I get a different feeling there. [/QUOTE]
I'll also agree that Eden is too fake for me but it has a special place in BKK and mongering circles. It is still a place I think everyone should do once in their life. Tulip... while some girls can be fake as anything there are some girls that are just good at what they do. So I don't put Tulip in the same league as Eden. Tulip can be PSE with some GFE as well mixed in. With the right girl of course. How many complaints about Tulip girls or negative reports are there??? Not many I would assume.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Did guys ever experience taking a young inexperienced girl for LT, and then have her keep waking you up through the night wanting another round of sex. Perhaps she never had much good sex before??? or just real horny.
Its something special when there is clearly no act and the girl is really enjoying the sex. [/QUOTE]
Damn Mick were you in the room with me and the GF??? In other words yes exactly... the sexual chemistry was just perfect from the first night and only got better over time.... In fact it was so good I'm still keeping her around ;) And the reasons she's still around is what you said above... There was no act and after time we got to know each other more about other things other then just sex. So she's still in my phonebook and still see her of course...
[QUOTE=Eric Burden]Like Mick, I also like the girls that are really into the sex. I am more likely to find this is they are new to the game or if they only have a few customers a month. I have had both good looking girls and plain girls that got wet and orgasmed but find the plain girls more likely to get off. Treating them nice (like a girlfriend) complimenting them and listening seems to bring out the best in them. [/QUOTE]
I will agree for me also that some of the best sex I've had are with girls that are not "superstars"... girls that have few customers or girls that are more shy (less english abilities or such). I found that girls that sit in corners or away from customers (but will look and smile at you of course but are shy to come talk to you) and are not pushing themselves all over you usually are the better sex for me. YMMV but I don't need a girl who is all pushy and quick and business like...
[quote=nicfrenchy]hi goyave,
i will never go back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. not after what the owners and mamasans do to these girls. there is a big scam going on there where the mamasan scams the girls (i might write about it one day).
another weird and slightly unpleasant fact is that, this month, these girls don't have any holiday! usually they'll get the standard bargirl 4 days a month but, this month, no days are allowed off! considering they have a 3000b barfine - which is so unpayable that they're bound to be working 9 hour days with no choice in refusing customers either... that's a bit much! i like blowjobs but you've got to give the girls some days off![/quote]
ok, so you're not going back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s because the girls are treated mean by the mammasan, have to blow every john who comes in the door, and won't get a day off this month. so how is your behavior going to help the girls?
i agree, it's not a pleasant situation, but i think it's better for the girls that you go. you will get a nice blowjob and they will get some much needed money during the holiday season -- a win win proposition. :)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...Another weird and slightly unpleasant fact is that, this month, these girls don't have any holiday! Usually they'll get the standard bargirl 4 days a month but, this month, NO days are allowed off! Considering they have a 3000B barfine - which is so unpayable that they're bound to be working 9 hour days with no choice in refusing customers either... that's a bit much! I like blowjobs but you've got to give the girls some days off![/QUOTE]
Nic,
I agree that the owners are merciless and it's a bit much. Scams of course are bad and it would be good to hear about them.
It's supposed to be the peak season, so I believe all places are trying to maximize their revenue, so compulsory working days or some sort of special rules everywhere. All girls must work on weekends, for example, at Luxury.
This is the time when your regular will love you for seeing her outside. She makes the same money but only servicing one customer, gets to take things easy, may be a meal or two thrown in.
fly
[quote=daddy07]ok, so you're not going back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s because the girls are treated mean by the mammasan, have to blow every john who comes in the door, and won't get a day off this month. so how is your behavior going to help the girls?
i agree, it's not a pleasant situation, but i think it's better for the girls that you go. you will get a nice blowjob and they will get some much needed money during the holiday season -- a win win proposition. :)[/quote]
if there was a really special girl there, maybe support her.
but only ugly girls are willing to put up with the conditions. i won't be going back again even though unaware of what nic was referring to.
the girls don't get too enjoy themselves and that spoils my mood too. some of them don't even take their cloths off.
at sol, can bf the girl cheaply, then she can decide if she wants to go back or have the rest of the day off.
A lot of people inquired about the girl I took for 3,000 LT @ shark Bar : Miss Jib #90.
Had a great time with her but was too long ago to write a review. Maybe I'll go see her again but, she is a very popular girl.
[QUOTE=Goyave]Wow! That's indeed weird. I am a bit surprised but you must have more recent information than I have.[/quote]
It's not recent, it has been going on for some time. Don't get nervous, the scam is on the girls, not the customers. You still get blown for 700.
[quote]I'd really like to know more about the scam going on there if you can enlighten me one of these days.[/QUOTE]
I don't want to publicly post it here but if you are curious, drop me a PM
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]Does anyone know anything about the upscale private clubs like Soprano House? I have been there before but could not figure out what was available, where, and for how much.
If you are into the music, it is definitely a cool place to check out. The girls are 9-10's but I don't know if they are available and if they are if their prices are ridiculous.
Please let me know your thoughts.[/QUOTE]
I recommend the Pegagus Club.
[QUOTE=Fun Couple]Guys,
Have many of you either been or seen a couple enjoy the night life with the girls at the clubs/bars etc?[/QUOTE]
This is not an uncommon request. There used to be several girls in the Huntsman Pub (Landmark Hotel, Sukhumvit Soi 4-6) that specialized in couples and un-accompanied women. Haven't been there in a while so I'm not sure what the situation is now.
However, if you visit some of the upscale hotel bars or clubs I am sure you won't have any trouble finding someone to accomodate your desires. I recommend you check out Spaso's.
[quote=daddy07]i agree, it's not a pleasant situation, but i think it's better for the girls that you go. you will get a nice blowjob and they will get some much needed money during the holiday season -- a win win proposition. :)[/quote]
actually, the last time i went there have not been mind blowing (pun intended). i get much better experiences at sol. the girls there really know how to blow a man. i agree it is not as private as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], but its raunchiness kind of appeals to me now.
the last time i was there, i had my first blow on sofa#2. the first time i was getting blown in public. there were a couple girls around and 2 of them participated without me asking them (which means i did not get charged 700 per girl). i heard one guy enter but did not even see anything, plenty to keep me busy: i was getting blown, fingers in 2 pussies, sucking on tits, my nipples being licked... even with 3 girls it took me a good 20mn to finish.
i ended up paying the girl i ordered 700 thb to the bar. gave her 400 tip. also gave 500 to each participant.
total cost: 2,500 (including drinks)
a real bargain.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]However, if you visit some of the upscale hotel bars or clubs I am sure you won't have any trouble finding someone to accomodate your desires. I recommend you check out Spaso's.[/QUOTE]
From my experience it turns out to be a much better session if the Lady / female initiates the conversations and the looking for another girl then having the guy take the lead. Atleast in my experience. If in a P4P location having the girl talk to the mamasan helps also and buying her some drinks to bring some girls around who are possible play mates.
Finding a girl to join a couple is easy, many girls will say they can do. But most will just play act it and not do "much" with the girl and / or guy. So after a few bad experiences what was difficult was having the girl I was with back then find a girl who she liked who would do all we wanted her to do. It's almost like finding a mutual Gik that she and I both could agree on.
My girl was very particular about who she wanted to bring back with us. Looks did not matter to her at all, attitude, cleanliness, education, home village, and all sorts of things mattered to her whereas for me, hell I am a bastard I just wanted sex... So with the girl finding another girl it turned out to sound more like a job interview then anything else.
But once we found that "one" it was it turned into a very nice relationship that lasted a while with no "issues"
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]A lot of people inquired about the girl I took for 3,000 LT @ shark Bar : Miss Jib #90. Had a great time with her but was too long ago to write a review. Maybe I'll go see her again but, she is a very popular girl.[/QUOTE]Wow that lady looks anorexic to me.
Maybe her genes give her skinny legs, but it is often a sign of a girl struggling with self esteem. Hope I am wrong for her sake.
Sexy face though.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]From my experience it turns out to be a much better session if the Lady / female initiates the conversations and the looking for another girl then having the guy take the lead. Atleast in my experience. If in a P4P location having the girl talk to the mamasan helps also and buying her some drinks to bring some girls around who are possible play mates.
[/QUOTE]
Its much easier for single guys getting two girls as can get two that are close friends and have experience together.
Otherwise with a guy/girl looking for another girl, probably the girl has to find another girl that she likes, which takes time.
[quote=nicfrenchy]...... i get much better experiences at sol. the girls there really know how to blow a man. i agree it is not as private as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], but its raunchiness kind of appeals to me now.....
the last time i was there, i had my first blow on sofa#2. the first time i was getting blown in public. there were a couple girls around and 2 of them participated without me asking them (which means i did not get charged 700 per girl). i heard one guy enter but did not even see anything, plenty to keep me busy: i was getting blown, fingers in 2 pussies, sucking on tits, my nipples being licked... even with 3 girls it took me a good 20mn to finish......
it is good to recommend again sol to the membership. i feel we should exchange from time to time our experiences made there. sol is also my favourite plaxe # 1.
the atmosphere is pricking and the applied techniques brilliant.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]This is not an uncommon request. There used to be several girls in the Huntsman Pub (Landmark Hotel, Sukhumvit Soi 4-6) that specialized in couples and un-accompanied women. Haven't been there in a while so I'm not sure what the situation is now.
However, if you visit some of the upscale hotel bars or clubs I am sure you won't have any trouble finding someone to accomodate your desires. I recommend you check out Spaso's.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Where is Pegasus Club? How does it work there? Any idea?
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I recommend the Pegagus Club.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Where is Pegasus Club? What is the situation there?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Its much easier for single guys getting two girls as can get two that are close friends and have experience together.
Otherwise with a guy/girl looking for another girl, probably the girl has to find another girl that she likes, which takes time.[/QUOTE]
Yes... of course... for a single guy. But when you alerady have a female partner and looking for a joiner... it is much more difficult decision. Especially if that partner is a long time girl friend or wife or such like Fun Couple supposedly are.
Getting that joiner to be open and willing on both and having your female partner open and willing to the guy playing with the joiner or such is not an easy task to accomplish.
As I said you can easily get a girl to join you but it is usually more BS then action. So letting the female partner take the lead in their case is what I suggest, just due to my past experience.
What might make things easier is that the couple is from out of town and probably don't care who sees or knows what.
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]Thanks. Where is Pegasus Club? What is the situation there?[/QUOTE]
It's off Sukhumvit Soi 23. Hard to explain how to get there. Check their website for directions. Also do a search in the Forum for Pegagus Club for more reports,
[QUOTE=Retired Army]It's off Sukhumvit Soi 23. Hard to explain how to get there. Check their website for directions. Also do a search in the Forum for Pegagus Club for more reports,[/QUOTE]
It's in the Sub Soi linking Soi 23 and 31. Just get off at Asoke BTS and take a motorcycle Taxi to Pegasus: 2 minutes adn 20thb.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It's in the Sub Soi linking Soi 23 and 31. Just get off at Asoke BTS and take a motorcycle Taxi to Pegasus: 2 minutes adn 20thb.[/QUOTE]
I 'started' a Map on clubs:
Pegasus is shown.
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&ll=13.737968,100.56402&spn=0.011923,0.017681&z=16&msid=112522687346612693021.00044e047c3ee856f6f45[/url]
i've been to bangkok and pattaya a few years ago for the first time, spent some time in the north of thailand back then as well. this time, i am more limited by time and am there with a buddy going for only 8 days. i would really appreciate suggestions on how best to manage our time, and which cities to spend our time in. goal is mongering/sightseeing/beach [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url].
so far i was thinking 2-3 days bangkok, 2 days pattaya, and 2-3 days in phuket. i think this is managable to do in 8 days. or maybe i should spend my time differently? this is my friends first time in thailand and i want him to fully appreciate the place.
thanx
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It's in the Sub Soi linking Soi 23 and 31. Just get off at Asoke BTS and take a motorcycle Taxi to Pegasus: 2 minutes adn 20thb.[/QUOTE]NIC,
I don't think you want to take a motobike to Pegasus, the captain and everyone will laugh at you, this is a high class place everyone arrive in expensive car.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]NIC,
I don't think you want to take a motobike to Pegasus, the captain and everyone will laugh at you, this is a high class place everyone arrive in expensive car.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Hi,
Last year I spent an evening in this club Pegasus. A man (western tourist) wearing sandals and shorts came in. Probably just to have a look; after about 10 minutes he left.
[QUOTE=Carpediemyes]Wow that lady looks anorexic to me.
Maybe her genes give her skinny legs, but it is often a sign of a girl struggling with self esteem. Hope I am wrong for her sake.
Sexy face though.[/QUOTE]
Another reason also might be: HIV +
A situation why it is also called "slim disease".
FV
[quote=aybolit]i've been to bangkok and pattaya a few years ago for the first time, spent some time in the north of thailand back then as well. this time, i am more limited by time and am there with a buddy going for only 8 days. i would really appreciate suggestions on how best to manage our time, and which cities to spend our time in. goal is mongering/sightseeing/beach [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url].
so far i was thinking 2-3 days bangkok, 2 days pattaya, and 2-3 days in phuket. i think this is managable to do in 8 days. or maybe i should spend my time differently? this is my friends first time in thailand and i want him to fully appreciate the place.
thanx[/quote]
you will end up spending most of time travelling may be only do 2 out of 3 places at the most
[quote=aybolit]i've been to bangkok and pattaya a few years ago for the first time, spent some time in the north of thailand back then as well. this time, i am more limited by time and am there with a buddy going for only 8 days. i would really appreciate suggestions on how best to manage our time, and which cities to spend our time in. goal is mongering/sightseeing/beach [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url].
so far i was thinking 2-3 days bangkok, 2 days pattaya, and 2-3 days in phuket. i think this is managable to do in 8 days. or maybe i should spend my time differently? this is my friends first time in thailand and i want him to fully appreciate the place.
thanx[/quote]
as thailerner wisely advised, concentrate in one-two spots and make the best out of it. mongering is not a night-only activity, but it is true that quite some fun can be had at nights. maybe bangkok (3 nights) and pattaya (4-5 nights) could be the two locations where to spend the time in thailand and...discover all.
[quote=aybolit]so far i was thinking 2-3 days bangkok, 2 days pattaya, and 2-3 days in phuket. i think this is managable to do in 8 days. or maybe i should spend my time differently? this is my friends first time in thailand and i want him to fully appreciate the place.[/quote]
i'm with the rest of the folks, do only two places. the three locations are very different (atelast to me) and by the time you get the lay of the land so to speak it would be time to move on. my first trip to phuket i didn't know the lay of the land and it took me a while to figure out which bars are best and such. even rtff it still took me a while to get into the swing of things down there and basically started to pick up the local area on my second trip.
many of us have debated or bantered over time what we prefer bkk or pattaya in terms of mongering so pick one of those and phuket since you say you want [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url] and such. or pick a different location like phi phi or krabi or such if you are so inclined. to me phuket isn't all "that" more hype then anything else.
but only do two locations on 8 days. hell next week i'm spending over 9 days in bkk and that still won't be enough time for me. ;)
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]NIC,
I don't think you want to take a motobike to Pegasus, the captain and everyone will laugh at you, this is a high class place everyone arrive in expensive car.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
That would be pretty freaking funny arriving at Pegagus on a motorcycle or tuk-tuk. Right next to a guy in a tux in a Mercedes limo.
Also, don't wear shorts or flip-flops. Dress properly, no jeans and a tie wouldn't be out of place.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]That would be pretty freaking funny arriving at Pegagus on a motorcycle or tuk-tuk. Right next to a guy in a tux in a Mercedes limo.
Also, don't wear shorts or flip-flops. Dress properly, no jeans and a tie wouldn't be out of place.[/QUOTE]
Guys, if you really want to make all the girls crawl at your feet, here is how to dress at Pegasus:
Get a bright Yellow Shirt (they will see you know Thailand and respect its traditions), wear it over a pair of Jeans (very cool & Trendy these days), They also love Converse ALLSTAR shoes.
Open 3 buttons of your Shirt and show the latest Amulet (the bigger the better) and girls will love you for being so "in tune" with their buddhist culture"
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Yes... of course... for a single guy. But when you alerady have a female partner and looking for a joiner... it is much more difficult decision. Especially if that partner is a long time girl friend or wife or such like Fun Couple supposedly are.
[/QUOTE]
Another problem for Fun Couple.
Some thai girls are bi-sexuals but much prefer to have sex with another Thai girl than a western woman.
A western woman needs to pay extreme attention to cleanliness as Thai girls are expecting pussy to have absolutely no odour or taste. And indeed this is why many men prefer asian girls.
Unfortuantely some western woman have "smelly pussy". Fortunately this is not all of them. But westerners must always take extreme care with cleaning (men too).
Thai girls use a special cleaning product for the pussy.
One of them is called "Lactacyd" (spelling?)
.
After walking up the street checking with several places I finally found a room at the Nanatai Mansion, 1200 Baht for 2 beds with no breakfast and no internet but with my MacBook Pro sitting on the balcony window I picked up several free connections that work great.
It showered, dressed and headed toward Nana Plaza, stopped at McDonalds for a bite to eat and then to Nana Plaza. I walked all around, looked in a few places and stopped in at Pretty Lady, one of the girls dancing on stage caught my eye and I asked her to join me, we had a couple of drinks and got along well together so I asked if she wanted to go with me, we cleared up a few things I wanted, DFK and BBBJ, she agreed, how much, sorry but I forget what the BF was but she was 2000 ST and 3000 LT, I opted for the ST, paid the tab and BF while she changed, taxi to my hotel and the fun begun. Her name was Joy, 27 years old, short and while not one of those very thin ones she had a nice little body. I was very happy with her and her performance/service.
At first Joy was a little shy about me taking photos but after a couple she really got into it. I got about 5 more too. Still didn't want her face shown though.
Mike
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I 'started' a Map on clubs:
Pegasus is shown.
A noble and much appreciated task indeed! For my money though it is hard to beat the guide to the big mango Bangkok map. See link:
[url]http://guide.2thebigmango.com/city-map-guide/?cityid=Bangkok[/url]
[QUOTE=Rjsss212]A noble and much appreciated task indeed! For my money though it is hard to beat the guide to the big mango Bangkok map. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I had a look at that map however I do not really trust it. Looking at the massage section, they completely overlooked Soi 24, 24/1, 26 (where most the Oilies are)
Soi 24/1 is also called Soi Oily for a reason.
Their Soi 22 Massage list contains 1 place: Sazanka
They completely missed : Angel 22, Hana Massage, Aurora, Rose Massage (former Kornwan)
Basically, this map is very incomplete when it comes to Oil/Thai Massage Places.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yeah, I had a look at that map however I do not really trust it. Looking at the massage section, they completely overlooked Soi 24, 24/1, 26 (where most the Oilies are)
Soi 24/1 is also called Soi Oily for a reason.
Their Soi 22 Massage list contains 1 place: Sazanka
They completely missed : Angel 22, Hana Massage, Aurora, Rose Massage (former Kornwan)
Basically, this map is very incomplete when it comes to Oil/Thai Massage Places.[/QUOTE]
Granted, but is there a better one presently available?
hi,
did the direct compare (again) yesterday. somehow i still believe [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] will catch up one day and i keep going back there.
but i get disappointed every time.
not that they are bad ot something (is there a real bad bbbj, anyway? ), but they are simply no compare to sol.
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], go in with the chosen girl in the afternoon (n**, young, 6 on the scale, real nice tits after unpacking), order a dring, don't get any chemistry at talking, she asks "go upstairs", answer of cause: yep!
has to be asked to undress as well, running away for a minute (i actually hate that part because you are sitting there on the bench, looking around at the dirty place thinking: what the hell am i doing in such a place?
coming back, undressing, wiping with the cold towels, and starting to lick and blow. one hand quite nicely handling the balls, the mouth somehow not deep enough, the other hand frantically trying to jack me off, . and too much teeth. had to interfere with the show and guide her a little and after a while i managed to finish, where some of the stuff shot into her hair as she withdrew too early. cleaning with the other towels, going downstairs, nothing to say, check bin, bye, . barely satisfied.
earlier the day went to sol. not even close to the place enlightened smiles of the girls, waving and hi michael, how are you, long time no see.
go inside sit, the drink is coming without asking as they remember.
a** and l** join me on number 2 couch and start chatting and playing.
telling about boss birthday party that is why so few girls in this morning, big party, sanuk mak mak! starting to play more and urging me to get the pants down. getting their cleaning, oiling and other stuff without the interruption of the atmosphere (if there is to speek of that as one in sol, as a very special one) ans starting to go down on me. licking nipples, licking and kissing everywhere, and blowing the hell out of me, continuously changing between the two of them. and then i even got a total new experience form one of the girls: when she had the feeling that i am getting excited and close, she took me all in, great dt and somehow started to massgae my d*** deep inside only with her throat. that made me shoot like crazy into her. afterwards there was nothing to spit into the paper as everything went down starit her throat already. almost fell in love to the girl because of that! chatted on, they tried to get me to a second round, but i was able to resist as i wanted to try the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] experience later. i should have stayed. payed, warm bye, see you again soon, left as a happy man!
still an amazing place,
mike
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[QUOTE=Rjsss212][QUOTE=Mick Licker]I 'started' a Map on clubs:
Pegasus is shown.
A noble and much appreciated task indeed! For my money though it is hard to beat the guide to the big mango Bangkok map. See link:
[url]http://guide.2thebigmango.com/city-map-guide/?cityid=Bangkok[/url][/QUOTE]
Well obviously I'm biased but try this Map for comparison:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.744554,100.560265&spn=0.047689,0.070724&z=14[/url]
It has links to a Sukhumvit Hotels Map and to a BKK Soapies Map. In the end, should be a lot more than at the BigMango
Soon I will attempt a Short Time Hotels Map for mongering areas because this is covered not very well.
Did a search on here for the big mango bar and didn't return much. I'm just wondering if anyone has spent any time with the lovely ladies there or can offer any insight? On the surface it would seem like a decent comfortable bar without the scamming eat you alive types.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]A lot of people inquired about the girl I took for 3, 000 LT at shark Bar: Miss Jib #90.
Had a great time with her but was too long ago to write a review. Maybe I'll go see her again but, she is a very popular girl. [/QUOTE]I'm with Nic on this one.
I was lucky enough to be one of her 1st "friends" when she arrived in BKK (over 3 years ago now). Sweet, funny, sexy and yes. Very slim. Perfect little bottom! Good "skills"!
She's a "superstar" at Shark now. Tatoos galore and a harder, business-like edge. But she still comes and says "Hi! " or stops for a drink when I visit. If you ever get the chance. Go for it! You won't regret it!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Guys, if you really want to make all the girls crawl at your feet, here is how to dress at Pegasus:
Get a bright Yellow Shirt (they will see you know Thailand and respect its traditions), wear it over a pair of Jeans (very cool & Trendy these days), They also love Converse ALLSTAR shoes.
Open 3 buttons of your Shirt and show the latest Amulet (the bigger the better) and girls will love you for being so "in tune" with their buddhist culture"[/QUOTE]
And make sure you show lots of chest hair. The more the better.
What are you doing home at 10:15 p.m. on a Saturday night?
When does bars close at Christmas time in BKK? Same as before or do they stay open longer (untill 6am?)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Another problem for Fun Couple.
Some thai girls are bi-sexuals but much prefer to have sex with another Thai girl than a western woman.
A western woman needs to pay extreme attention to cleanliness as Thai girls are expecting pussy to have absolutely no odour or taste. And indeed this is why many men prefer asian girls.
Unfortuantely some western woman have "smelly pussy". Fortunately this is not all of them. But westerners must always take extreme care with cleaning (men too).
Thai girls use a special cleaning product for the pussy.
One of them is called "Lactacyd" (spelling?)[/QUOTE]Lactacyd can also be used to clean dick.
Soap is used to clean the outside of dick. A way to thorougly clean the inside of dick (urethra) is to hang your dick about two minutes in a cup of warm water in which 2 tablespoons of salt is dissolved.
[QUOTE=William Rose]First time in Bangkok and thought that I would head down to Cowboy and Shark. As reported previously there are many decent to very decent looking girls. After a beer or two I settled down with a 22yo tiny Isaan spinner who spoke pretty broken english. We agreed to 1500 ST and she promised to take good care of me. So done, bar fine and we went outside for another drink and a smoke. We were laughing it up and It thought I would be in for a good night when she started talking about her dad dying 3 months ago. neighborhood. She insisted and said "this is business". I gave her the extra 500 but I'll never be back to be fed to the sharks again.
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Thai MTV has parody flick on those little spunksters and how they get the farhang to squander money on them. The national sport is getting as much money as possible for as little work as possible and to make the farhang look like a total idiot. I cringe at all the fools that comply with the "save face" rule or believe that these hard core prostitutes are anything other than predators. Even highly educated fools allow these little spunkbuckets to bleed them. After negotiations you need to go to YOUR room immediatley and if they are not showered and smoking your pole in 10 minutes you send them walking. Sometimes you get a lousy knob job to try to intimidate you into forking out more dinero. Now that business is off the punter needs to take total control of the situation. Don't listen to the many "self styled" booty experts on this site about how generosity has it rewards and how you need to respect the "save face" rule. These people that declared war on the USA in wwII and then declared war on Japan when we dropped the A-Bomb on Hiroshima so they could seize Japanese assets have nothing but contempt for you and I. Don't fall prey to believing that veneer smile and wai-ing is anything more than props in their con game. I still love the place but I don't participate in their con-games.
[QUOTE=William Rose]First time in Bangkok and thought that I would head down to Cowboy and Shark. As reported previously there are many decent to very decent looking girls. After a beer or two I settled down with a 22yo tiny Isaan spinner who spoke pretty broken english. We agreed to 1500 ST and she promised to take good care of me. So done, bar fine and we went outside for another drink and a smoke. We were laughing it up and It thought I would be in for a good night when she started talking about her dad dying 3 months ago. A bit of a buzz kill but I felt bad and sort of let her say her bit. She also was a bit weird about it. Lighting the first cigarette in a new pack and putting it down on the ground so her "father" could smoke with her. Anyway I disregarded this and was about to suggest to leave when she went to get her friend to come over and have a drink with us. Problem was that her friend hadn't been bar fined and had to keep dancing so she asked if I would do her a favour and split the fine with her. Dumb idea but I went along with it. Anyway friend comes out in her street gear and sits down. We have a final drink and my girl suggests we go but she's a little hungry and wants to cook something for me. I don't really understand with the broken english but next thing I know we're in a taxi and at some local Bangkok market. No farrang anywhere. We're walking around and buying a stuff and she kept asking me for money. At this point I agree I should have bailed but I didn't as she kept promising me a good time. So about 500 baht of groceries later we head off somewhere "close" to cook. Well close ended up being about 20 minutes away and some sketchy ass apartment of her friends which consisted of one room and electric frying pan on a balcony. I never should have got out of the cab but I did and needless to say the rest of the night never got any better. 3 1/2 hours after we had left Cowboy she, her friend, some old neighbor, a brother who drives one of the motorbike taxis and I were sitting in this tiny ass apartment while they feasted on food I bought. Now I wasn't even remotely hungry and at this point 4:30 in the morning I had enough so I said I was leaving and she and her friend followed me out. We walked down some dark alley to a "semi main st" and waited 15 minutes for a taxi. She talked about coming to meet me later after she finished eating and I said I would be sleeping and thanks but no thanks. The cab then arrived and I jumped in the front and said bye. Next thing she jumps in the back. Whatever. After all this crap the least I could get back from her was some decent action. We get back to the hotel and had the most pathetic, unenergetic 15 minute session of my life after which she wanted to leave. She then demands her 1500 ST fee to which I laughed and said she was barely worth 500 but I would give 1000 just to get her away from me. I persisted to explain how awful the night was and how I didn't really sign up to be dragged around feeding her friends neighborhood. She insisted and said "this is business". I gave her the extra 500 but I'll never be back to be fed to the sharks again.
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I've had crap like that happen to me before. Now I always insist on at least going to my room first and getting one session in. After that I might go try some food place she reccomends, or go out for drinking and dancing if I took her LT. But she will give me one more session before she leaves if I am to pay her for LT.
Like you, I have seen the let's go see my friend, or buy my friend some drinks thing too many times. The next night their friends will do the same for them.
[QUOTE=William Rose]Did a search on here for the big mango bar and didn't return much. I'm just wondering if anyone has spent any time with the lovely ladies there or can offer any insight? On the surface it would seem like a decent comfortable bar without the scamming eat you alive types.[/QUOTE]
Check out:
[url]http://www.bigmangobar.com/[/url]
&
[url]http://www.2thebigmango.com/[/url]
Last time I was there it was quiet, but they do have Beer Lao!
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Check out:
[url]http://www.bigmangobar.com/[/url]
&
[url]http://www.2thebigmango.com/[/url]
Last time I was there it was quiet, but they do have Beer Lao![/QUOTE]I know the owners. Nice guys and they run a good ship. The old bar was at the top of the escalator in Nana, just to the left, but rent increases and a shitty landlord forced them out. Now they are a little further up the sio on the left down a side soi. Always stop in to see m and and when in town.
[QUOTE=Fun Couple]Guys,
Have many of you either been or seen a couple enjoy the night life with the girls at the clubs/bars etc?[/QUOTE]I had couple of threesomes with my wife and other women in Bangkok. We found it very easy to find girls at Nana Plaza. The girls know when they see a couple enjoying watching the shows they usually come and ask for a cola if they do 3somes. If a girl comes and asks for a cola you know she is interested and you can decide to take her or not. Some have been good and some have been very bad. One was kind of forced by here Mamasan to go with us, we found out that later when she was in our room. So we asked her to go since we really wanted to have a fun time and not someone who is forced into this. We didnt care of the BF we paid.
We ended up several times with the same woman who was a little bit older than the average girls (about 30) from Nana Plaza. She became a LT friend and went with us to several parks in Bangkok and showed us around. Whenever we go to BK we give her a visit.
So it is really up to you and how you allow things to happen or not to happen.
Regrads.
Vandeta
[QUOTE=Gagoo]I've had crap like that happen to me before. Now I always insist on at least going to my room first and getting one session in. After that I might go try some food place she reccomends, or go out for drinking and dancing if I took her LT. But she will give me one more session before she leaves if I am to pay her for LT.
Like you, I have seen the let's go see my friend, or buy my friend some drinks thing too many times. The next night their friends will do the same for them.[/QUOTE]It's funny because I almost didn't even write the report because I was so embarrased. (and I should be) I do think that it's vital though so that others have this information to prevent this from happening to someone else. Thanks for the support to everyone who commented on my disaster. BuleDaddy, Gagoo, Daddy Warbucks1, NicFrenchy, Terry Terrier. I hope this is a lesson to everyone reading this forum and heading to Bangkok for the first time.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Check out:
[url]http://www.bigmangobar.com/[/url]
&
[url]http://www.2thebigmango.com/[/url]
Last time I was there it was quiet, but they do have Beer Lao![/QUOTE]Well I decided to go for curiosity sake and arrived early for a couple drinks. Before my beer arrived one of the girls came over and asked if I wanted to play some pool. I declined as I was just really wanting to chill for a bit and enjoy my beer. There were maybe 10 others around the bar and about 8 "staff" lingering about. After a couple beers the girl who first approached me came over again and we started some small talk. I started to sort of like her cute smile so I thought what harm can a couple of games of pool do. Upstairs we went and played a bunch of games. I think she let me win most of them but didn't ask me once for a drink. All the while she was making advances towards me but they were subtle. Like you were with a new girlfriend. After I had about 3 more beers which she graciously got for me I finally offered her a drink. She accepted and we played some more pool. I met some other expats hanging around the other pool table and shot the shit with them. Really cool atmosphere. Before I knew it I was wasted and it was near closing time. I think I maybe bought her 3 drinks all night none of which were pressured. Total bill was under 1000 baht. She didn't even talk about money or ST/LT she just followed me out and asked to go dancing. Well I thought why not but after my go go experience I was walking - no cabs getting run around the city like a fool. One of the blokes I met at the bar also from Oz came along with the chick he was hanging with for the night as well. We walked down to spicy which is an after hours club. Mainly rap music and we got a couple drinks. I paid her cover which wasn't much. Then we find a table just off the dance floor and this chick starts going off. She's grinding on me like i'm Akon and we're having a great time. We stayed for about 45 minutes when my mate and his chick took off. We then danced a bit more and finally she asked if I wanted to go. I said fuck ya and we left back to my hotel on Soi 2. All this time she still never mentioned anything about money. We got back to my room and showered. Then off to the bed for some DFK and light touching and then she blew me like a champ on the bed. I decided to return the favour for her which she seemed to enjoy. Then we fucked like rabbits. All in all I came twice and after being as drunk as I was this was a feat. We finally passed out together her in my arms and the next thing I know I'm waking up to some more DFK. I normally ain't too interested in this after a night of debauchery since my breath probably smelled like last nights skunky beer but she was acting so GFE with me I couldn't resist. We fucked again and I was happy. This was by far by best experience in Bangkok so far (even better than Akane which was amazing). We got up and I offered her for breakfast at the hotel. She obliged and for someone who is maybe 100 lbs man can she eat. And she's not shy about it either. We had a great breakfast talking some more and then back up to the room where I got out 3000K + 500 tip for her and without her asking I just gave it to her. I fully expected her to now be on her way especially after the money changed hands but nope. She jumped back into bed with me and we watched two movies with a blow job intermission. I couldn't believe my luck. This chick has made me cum 4 times in a 16 hour period. I don' think she would have left but I said I had to go for a fitting for some suits I got made. She offered to get me a SIM card for my phone for 40 baht and asked if I'd see her again tonight. Fucking right she will. I don't know where the big mango gets their girls from but not only are they decent looking (not stunners) but man they know how to service.
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Going mid Fed to BKK, 2nd trip. 10 days. I debated whether to do BKK or FKK and the plunging pound has set me off to BKK. My first trip was nice, not spectacular. Preferred Soi Cowbay to Nana. Think I had too high expectations overall.
Is pattaya worth a visit? Sounds like it might be, just wondering about what others think. Can anyone recommend a hotel (not too expensive and girl friendly--like Majestic Suites on Sukhumvit Rd in BKK).
[QUOTE=Retired Army]What are you doing home at 10:15 p.m. on a Saturday night?[/QUOTE]
I had a very boring night last night. Alone and watching DVDs. I guess everyone deserves a day off Sex :D
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I had a very boring night last night. Alone and watching DVDs. I guess everyone deserves a day off Sex :D[/QUOTE]
I had to go to bed early too. Had a day off too ....
but for me was day off alcohol as needed maximum strength. LOL
.
The first time I was in BKK was 4 years ago on business and Patpong was not far from the Peninsula Hotel, company paid for it, so it was the first place I visited. I wanted to walk down memory lane so I went there last night.
I went into several of the places with the girls dancing on stage but it felt just like Nana and I wanted something different.
I walked around a bit and then, for whatever reason, I went into Super Queen, one of the sleazy joints there. I was joined by an older lady, said she was 35, that was only wearing a G-String with her big tits sticking out. She was really fun to be with, i.e., DFK and groping while we were sitting there, I bought her a drink and soon we were off to the room in the back. She was a sex fiend and one of the best f**ks I’ve had.
Mike
[QUOTE=Beagleface]Going mid Fed to BKK, 2nd trip. 10 days. I debated whether to do BKK or FKK and the plunging pound has set me off to BKK. My first trip was nice, not spectacular. Preferred Soi Cowbay to Nana. Think I had too high expectations overall.
Is pattaya worth a visit? Sounds like it might be, just wondering about what others think. Can anyone recommend a hotel (not too expensive and girl friendly--like Majestic Suites on Sukhumvit Rd in BKK).[/QUOTE]
As soon as you get out of the airport head towards Pattaya I much prefer it
[QUOTE=Beagleface]Is pattaya worth a visit? Sounds like it might be, just wondering about what others think. [/QUOTE]
Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I had a very boring night last night. Alone and watching DVDs. I guess everyone deserves a day off Sex :D[/QUOTE]
Titanic was on Star Movies last night. Gets the little lady all weapy and with a bottle of wine from Villa Market puts her in the mood.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's [Pattaya] the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.[/QUOTE]
I respect your opinions, RA, but wonder what the reasons are behind your undisguised contempt for Pattaya, as the “asshole of Thailand,” which seems to border upon hatred. I’ve lived here a fair amount of time now and just don’t see any rational basis for it. Surely it cannot be the level of prostitution which prevails for the benefit of us mongers? Yet I assume your opinion has something to do with mongering. Did you have a bad experience here once?
You often talk about your experiences at the Pegasus Club in Bangkok, and other ‘higher class’ adult entertainment venues, where I assume you enjoyed your share of the P4P ladies, (before you acquired your lovely ideal Thai wife of course). Granted, these types of establishments are not common in Pattaya, nor, I imagine, are the most educated and sophisticated girls in the business. Maybe the girls in Bangkok are prettier as well, (I doubt it), but I do know that those ‘high class’ ladies you favor are just as much prostitutes as the shabbiest hooker trolling her wares along Beach Road. And a sex monger is a sex monger whether he’s in Bangkok or Pattaya.
So what is your beef with Pattaya? Yes, the lower prices in Pattaya attract some unsavory people, but the same kinds of people can be found on the lower Suk in Bangkok. The only difference I see is that the majority of mongers in Pattaya are either expats or tourists on holiday, while the majorities in Bangkok are business men who usually have a lot more money to spend. So mongers in Pattaya generally wear short pants and sandals while those in Bangkok wear suits and ties. Is this what makes Pattaya the “asshole of Thailand”?
What is it that I have to learn the hard way that I don’t already know?
[QUOTE=Daddy07]I respect your opinions, RA, but wonder what the reasons are behind your undisguised contempt for Pattaya, as the “asshole of Thailand,” which seems to border upon hatred. I’ve lived here a fair amount of time now and just don’t see any rational basis for it. Surely it cannot be the level of prostitution which prevails for the benefit of us mongers? Yet I assume your opinion has something to do with mongering. Did you have a bad experience here once?
You often talk about your experiences at the Pegasus Club in Bangkok, and other ‘higher class’ adult entertainment venues, where I assume you enjoyed your share of the P4P ladies, (before you acquired your lovely ideal Thai wife of course). Granted, these types of establishments are not common in Pattaya, nor, I imagine, are the most educated and sophisticated girls in the business. Maybe the girls in Bangkok are prettier as well, (I doubt it), but I do know that those ‘high class’ ladies you favor are just as much prostitutes as the shabbiest hooker trolling her wares along Beach Road. And a sex monger is a sex monger whether he’s in Bangkok or Pattaya.
So what is your beef with Pattaya? Yes, the lower prices in Pattaya attract some unsavory people, but the same kinds of people can be found on the lower Suk in Bangkok. The only difference I see is that the majority of mongers in Pattaya are either expats or tourists on holiday, while the majorities in Bangkok are business men who usually have a lot more money to spend. So mongers in Pattaya generally wear short pants and sandals while those in Bangkok wear suits and ties. Is this what makes Pattaya the “asshole of Thailand”?
What is it that I have to learn the hard way that I don’t already know?[/QUOTE]I've been to Pattaya twice and I'm now in the process of planning my third trip. I'm having a difficult time deciding whether to spend a few days in Bangkok, and your comments hit home with me. What I love about Pattaya is that you can walk around all the time in shorts and sandals without ever having to put on long pants.
Is Bangkok a dressier place? Yours is the first comment I've ever seen on this forum about what to wear. Since BKK is a more cosmopolitan city, is it normal to wear business clothes? Do any of the restaurants and/or bars have dress codes? Your answer will be most appreciated.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Pattaya is the "asshole" of thailand and all the Thais agree. I, however, like the "asshole" of Thailand, b/c it is cheaper than overpriced BKK. There are a few diamonds in the rough, but you got to know how to find them.
It is a dump and quality is hard to come by especially these days, but it is cheap. 500-1000 ST. My advice to others is if you like the city game and like to spend lots of cash on decent quality *****s, stick to bkk. If your a cheap charlie and like dregs, head down to pattaya.
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]I walked around a bit and then, for whatever reason, I went into Super Queen, one of the sleazy joints there. I was joined by an older lady, said she was 35, that was only wearing a G-String with her big tits sticking out. She was really fun to be with, i.e., DFK and groping while we were sitting there, I bought her a drink and soon we were off to the room in the back. She was a sex fiend and one of the best f**ks I’ve had.[/QUOTE]
She looks good for a 35 year old Asian girl with mileage. Yes, I would have done that. :)
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.[/QUOTE]
The only problem in Pattaya is that the beach is not clean and also that it has some distinctive flavour of these holiday spots favoured by hords of british people in spain. Having said this, it remains that Pattaya has the best price/quality ratio compared to Bangkok or Phuket. It doesn't mean that the girls are less beautifull, unless maybe if you target the top range around 5000 in BKK. It means that for the same quality, you would need to pay 50% to 100% more in BKK or Phuket (i.e. 1000/1500 instead of 2000 in BKK is commonly found). Hotels, food, massage etc.. are also cheaper. If you have nothing special to do in Bangkok, better to go directly to Pattaya (Taxi fare cost max 1000 THB, i.e. Mr T taxi service).
[QUOTE=Beagleface]Is pattaya worth a visit? Sounds like it might be, just wondering about what others think. [/QUOTE]
I think you should go, I think everyone should visit it atleast once if you're a monger. Personally, I do not enjoy Pattaya and much prefer BKK. But you won't know until you go and no one here can tell you if you'd like it or not. You'll have to find out yourself.
I just would be ready to leave and head back to BKK early if you don't like it and / or stay longer if you do like it.
Beware Thieves on Sukhumvit
By AB
I'm sure many are aware of the thieves on Sukhumvit but I just thought I would share my views on it. I live in Phrom Pong and walk down to Nana or Asoke 3 or 4 times every week, and I can assure people that the number of thieves and the levels of aggression are both increasing.
The hot spot is certainly near Asoke BTS between Soi 19 and Soi 21 intersection after 1 AM. They hang around at the foot of the BTS steps where it is most difficult to pass. Ladyboys are the biggest offender but ordinary girls are at it too.
My advice to people may go against the grain in Thailand, but under no circumstances be nice or friendly to these people. IT DOESN'T WORK! You have to be firm and when you see one approaching tell them not to touch you and really look like you mean it. Raise your voice if necessary, however DO NOT tell them to "fuck off" or you may inflame the situation towards violence.
If you have to get physical, don't throw punches. On Saturday night around 3 AM (at Asoke BTS) I was very aggressively hassled, to the point where I grabbed "IT" by the shoulders and moved "IT" away from me, while telling "IT" in no uncertain terms to leave me alone. One of its friends came over and asked "Why you push my friend? ", but I just walked off. A moment or two later I heard someone getting quite upset, and turned round to see the same creatures all over an elderly gentleman. He was really getting quite panicky so I went back and told them to get away from him and this time I did shout, receiving some very pouty looks in return.
However this was not the end of my Saturday night hassle. There even seem to be kids in the age range of about 8.14 hanging around Sukhumvit road, near Soi 22. They are carrying something in plastic bags (though I don't know what) and try the old routine of sticking the bags in your chest, no doubt with the intention of distracting you in order to pick you clean. Again, be very firm when you see them coming and if they get too close, push them away (not violently). These are horrible little kids and I actually feel like punching them more than the ladyboys.
Even last night my wife was walking to the BTS with my son when some Thai snatched a bag from a western woman in front of her. However, what was good about this was the fact that Thai market sellers chased the thief and gave him a good kicking. What was even more worrying was that a market seller warned my wife (who is Thai) not to keep any valuable in her handbag as there are many thefts there each week. Also people are having chains ripped from their neck!
Personally, I think this is a problem that is going to get much worse to the point of becoming dangerous. I lived in Belfast during the troubles, so I am not easily perturbed. However, I reckon that the worsening economic situation all over is going to increase desperation for money and this I fear will lead to more desperate measures to get money.
Personally, I have not yet feared for my personal safety, but my biggest worry is maybe losing my cool, whacking someone and then getting the sh1t kicked out of me. I love walking home in the cooler times and it's the only thing that keeps me slim on my unhealthy weekend diet. However, I've always believed in percentages and the more I walk that walk, eventually something bad is going to happen to me.
My advice:
1) Don't bring credit cards out with you, unless you're only going for a meal.
2) Don't bring any more cash than you need for a normal night out. I would suggest not even to take an ATM card but some nights can get a bit wild and extra funds may be needed!
3) When walking home, put everything in the one pocket. Keys, money, cards and don't take your hand out of that pocket. If wearing jeans keep it in the front pockets as these are much tighter.
I've always promoted the safety of Bangkok, and while it is still much safer than most western cities it is moving fast in the wrong direction.
Stickman's thoughts:
Things are most certainly getting worse and this is a timely reminder.
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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I think you should go, I think everyone should visit it atleast once if you're a monger. Personally, I do not enjoy Pattaya and much prefer BKK. But you won't know until you go and no one here can tell you if you'd like it or not. You'll have to find out yourself.
I just would be ready to leave and head back to BKK early if you don't like it and / or stay longer if you do like it.[/QUOTE]
Beagleface, my brother said it best.
I went there 3 or 4 years ago, with an open mind. I booked a hotel for 4 nights, I left after 2 nights, and have not gone back. just not my cup of tea. but who knows, you could absolutely love it, so go, give it a try, and decide for yourself.
[QUOTE=El Frances]The only problem in Pattaya is that the beach is not clean and also that it has some distinctive flavour of these holiday spots favoured by hords of british people in spain. Having said this, it remains that Pattaya has the best price/quality ratio compared to Bangkok or Phuket. It doesn't mean that the girls are less beautifull, unless maybe if you target the top range around 5000 in BKK. It means that for the same quality, you would need to pay 50% to 100% more in BKK or Phuket (i.e. 1000/1500 instead of 2000 in BKK is commonly found). Hotels, food, massage etc.. are also cheaper. If you have nothing special to do in Bangkok, better to go directly to Pattaya (Taxi fare cost max 1000 THB, i.e. Mr T taxi service).[/QUOTE]
Too true -- agree completely. I live in BKK but I go down to Pattaya about once a month. Everything is cheaper in Pattaya. Happy hours are great - 45 baht for a draft in a go-go. You will not find that anywhere in Bangers - 80 baht is the cheapest during happy hour on Cowboy. And the food is extremely cheap as well. 200 baht will get you fish and chips while it's 300+ in BKK. The girls are also much cheaper, however, I have found benefits to living in BKK.
I have barfined girls on Cowboy and paid them 1000 baht for long time. But this is at the end of the night on a weekday usually. And the showgirls will not go for less than 2000 usually unless it's really slow. I've found my regulars, though. They're always happy to receive a phone call from me whenever I've got the urge. I just scroll down my rolodex and pick the one I want, whether it's big titties, nice ass, GFE, or all of the above if I'm lucky! I've found that living here....I've found my own stunners and developed relationships with them. I call them up and they're more than happy to come over for 1000 baht if they're not busy. The only problem is that they sometimes call me a bit too often and it's sometimes hard to resist them!
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I agree.
It is a dump and quality is hard to come by especially these days, but it is cheap. 500-1000 ST. My advice to others is if you like the city game and like to spend lots of cash on decent quality *****s, stick to bkk. If your a cheap charlie and like dregs, head down to pattaya.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm not looking for dregs tho a bargain is always nice to find. I'd much rather pay a little more for a very pretty girlie. The most disappointing thing about BKK for me is the number of mothers. I really do prefer the girls not have kids. I've been spoiled by the FKK clubs--very pretty Euro girls, very, very few are mothers, very few older than 24.
Opinions around the web seem to differ wildly about Pattaya. Some call it 'asshole of T', others say there's plenty of stunners at the gogos. I kind of doubt the latter but that may just be my ignorance.
That said, I had pretty good luck with the BKK streetwalkers, tho I definitely steer clear of the older ones, or ones who look like they have 3 kids at home. Although probably my favorite one from last tripe was a mother with 1 kid, a streetwalker too. I guess I'll never grow up because I just really like them under 28.
But on my last trip to FKK I fell utterly and truly in love with a lady of 30 years who had a 5 year old boy. Go figure.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Titanic was on Star Movies last night. Gets the little lady all weapy and with a bottle of wine from Villa Market puts her in the mood.[/QUOTE]
A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do :D
However Titanic is a Looonnnnggggg movie, you might lose your hard-on by the time the credits come ;)
I'll chime in briefly regarding Pattaya - obviously I prefer it to the point of strenuously avoiding Bangkok.
It isn't just about price and service, though those are certainly better in Pattaya, and 'quality' is the same.
It is more about overall atmosphere - in Bangkok one is in the middle of a large, unpleasant, expensive, workaday city full of the horror of [i]Normal People[/i] while in Pattaya one is in the world capital of sex tourism where the great majority of females parading past the eye are prostitutes. I'll let you all imagine which is more salubrious for the masculine holiday-maker.
The fantasy lives, for the moment, in Pattaya, but Bangkok is just another polluted, hectic, tense city.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.[/QUOTE]
I think that RA was referring to the Monger's scene in Pattaya.
There are some areas of Pattaya though that are very nice for a holiday (away from Mongering areas and far away from the low lives Farangs). If you stick to the Mongers Areas, then I guess it would be like spending time between Patpong and Khao san road only.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]There are some areas of Pattaya though that are very nice for a holiday (away from Mongering areas and far away from the low lives Farangs). [/QUOTE]
Nic can you clarify, are you talking about areas of Pattaya or areas of Chonburi that are nice for holiday?
I'm serious as I like many areas in Chonburi, but my visits to Pattaya are not ranking up there. So maybe I've stayed the wrong places, the wrong time of year, the wrong whatever...
But to me, Pattaya is either a place you love or you hate. Very little middle of the road opinion about the place IMHO.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do :D
However Titanic is a Looonnnnggggg movie, you might lose your hard-on by the time the credits come ;)[/QUOTE]
Tried watching a movie with Yok. Never got that far as she likes to play. Soon the play would take over. She is not one of those girls that gets distracted by movies on the TV.
How come I never had a wife/GF like that (always ready for it and starts up of her own accord often). Maybe I did have a GF or two like that, but not for long as they were crazy girls.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I'll chime in briefly regarding Pattaya - obviously I prefer it to the point of strenuously avoiding Bangkok.
It isn't just about price and service, though those are certainly better in Pattaya, and 'quality' is the same.
It is more about overall atmosphere - in Bangkok one is in the middle of a large, unpleasant, expensive, workaday city full of the horror of [i]Normal People[/i] while in Pattaya one is in the world capital of sex tourism where the great majority of females parading past the eye are prostitutes. I'll let you all imagine which is more salubrious for the masculine holiday-maker.
The fantasy lives, for the moment, in Pattaya, but Bangkok is just another polluted, hectic, tense city.[/QUOTE]
'City full of horror'. I know exactly what you mean, living in London, grew up in NYC. For me, quality is everything although a beautiful but ice cold girl can really be a downer. If quality is poor, then 'females parading past the eye' might not be as much fun as it could be. I'm a simple man, just looking for some cuties to spend some time with. If Pattaya is a city of skanks I won't like it, some seem to say it is, others say there's real gems about. Guess I'll have to find out myself.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07]I respect your opinions, RA, but wonder what the reasons are behind your undisguised contempt for Pattaya, as the “asshole of Thailand,” which seems to border upon hatred. I’ve lived here a fair amount of time now and just don’t see any rational basis for it. Surely it cannot be the level of prostitution which prevails for the benefit of us mongers? Yet I assume your opinion has something to do with mongering. Did you have a bad experience here once?
You often talk about your experiences at the Pegasus Club in Bangkok, and other ‘higher class’ adult entertainment venues, where I assume you enjoyed your share of the P4P ladies, (before you acquired your lovely ideal Thai wife of course). Granted, these types of establishments are not common in Pattaya, nor, I imagine, are the most educated and sophisticated girls in the business. Maybe the girls in Bangkok are prettier as well, (I doubt it), but I do know that those ‘high class’ ladies you favor are just as much prostitutes as the shabbiest hooker trolling her wares along Beach Road. And a sex monger is a sex monger whether he’s in Bangkok or Pattaya.
So what is your beef with Pattaya? Yes, the lower prices in Pattaya attract some unsavory people, but the same kinds of people can be found on the lower Suk in Bangkok. The only difference I see is that the majority of mongers in Pattaya are either expats or tourists on holiday, while the majorities in Bangkok are business men who usually have a lot more money to spend. So mongers in Pattaya generally wear short pants and sandals while those in Bangkok wear suits and ties. Is this what makes Pattaya the “asshole of Thailand”?
What is it that I have to learn the hard way that I don’t already know?[/QUOTE]
Just my opinion, and opinions are like assholes. We all have them and they all smell the same. I first went to Pattaya in 1973 on R&R and I remember it as a sleepy little fishing village with only one paved road. To see what it has become in the last 35 years disgusts me. It's not the girls, or the bars or anything such as that. I think what turns me off the most about Pattaya is what I can best describe as "Euro trash." Not that there is much difference from the regular "trash" on finds in BKK.
[QUOTE=David 2]I've been to Pattaya twice and I'm now in the process of planning my third trip. I'm having a difficult time deciding whether to spend a few days in Bangkok, and your comments hit home with me. What I love about Pattaya is that you can walk around all the time in shorts and sandals without ever having to put on long pants.
Is Bangkok a dressier place? Yours is the first comment I've ever seen on this forum about what to wear. Since BKK is a more cosmopolitan city, is it normal to wear business clothes? Do any of the restaurants and/or bars have dress codes? Your answer will be most appreciated.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, there is no dress code in BKK that is any different than Pattaya. I was refering to particular up-scale gentlemens clubs where proper attire is mandatory.
I just don't like Pattaya, nothing more, nothing less. Other people love it and that's fine. It's just personal preference. I know BKK better that I do Pattaya because of the amount of time I have spent here so that probably makes the difference.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I agree. Pattaya is the "asshole" of thailand and all the Thais agree. I, however, like the "asshole" of Thailand, b/c it is cheaper than overpriced BKK. There are a few diamonds in the rough, but you got to know how to find them.
It is a dump and quality is hard to come by especially these days, but it is cheap. 500-1000 ST. My advice to others is if you like the city game and like to spend lots of cash on decent quality *****s, stick to bkk. If your a cheap charlie and like dregs, head down to pattaya.[/QUOTE]
I remember, probably 20 years ago, there was a huge pipe about one meter in diameter right on the beach in Pattya that dumped raw sewage directly into the Gulf of thailand. About 100 meters up the beach were swimmers and seafood restaurants. Ever since I haven't wanted to return to Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I think you should go, I think everyone should visit it atleast once if you're a monger. Personally, I do not enjoy Pattaya and much prefer BKK. But you won't know until you go and no one here can tell you if you'd like it or not. You'll have to find out yourself.
I just would be ready to leave and head back to BKK early if you don't like it and / or stay longer if you do like it.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely, you should go once and form your own opinion. If you like it stay. If you don't, go to BKK. Buses run every hour.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do :D
However Titanic is a Looonnnnggggg movie, you might lose your hard-on by the time the credits come ;)[/QUOTE]
Levitra lasts for at least eight hours, so no problem. I hate Leonard Decrapio, but my wife has fantasies about him so I just yell "I'm the king of the world" as I mount her.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I remember, probably 20 years ago, there was a huge pipe about one meter in diameter right on the beach in Pattya that dumped raw sewage directly into the Gulf of thailand. About 100 meters up the beach were swimmers and seafood restaurants. Ever since I haven't wanted to return to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]RA,
HaHa, I remember that. The only people swimming out there were Nigerians. I have a photo somewhere.
There are a few nice hotels there and it was fun to see, but I am not crazy about it there. The prices are cheaper though and more fun to go with a group.
Cheers,
Zero
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I remember, probably 20 years ago, there was a huge pipe about one meter in diameter right on the beach in Pattya that dumped raw sewage directly into the Gulf of thailand. About 100 meters up the beach were swimmers and seafood restaurants. Ever since I haven't wanted to return to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]
I think that the pipe is still there - they have just scrimmed it up a bit better and run it further out to sea. But, no doubt if the tide is coming in - then so is the raw sewage. Swimming at Pattaya must rank with the bareback ass reaming of a Beach Road w**** as to level of comparable risk. If the microbes don't get you then a drunk Russian tourist on a Jet Ski probably will. And yet people still swim out there!
Mind you, Pattaya is Monte Carlo in comparison with The Philippine beachless shithole version!
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Just my opinion, and opinions are like assholes. We all have them and they all smell the same. I first went to Pattaya in 1973 on R&R and I remember it as a sleepy little fishing village with only one paved road. To see what it has become in the last 35 years disgusts me. It's not the girls, or the bars or anything such as that. I think what turns me off the most about Pattaya is what I can best describe as "Euro trash." Not that there is much difference from the regular "trash" on finds in BKK.[/QUOTE]
I can understand from where you are comming from you would like it to be the sleepy fishing village but hey places change soon for better some for worse.
Sorry but can you explain "Euro Trash"????
[QUOTE=Retired Army]As far as I know, there is no dress code in BKK that is any different than Pattaya. I was refering to particular up-scale gentlemens clubs where proper attire is mandatory.
I just don't like Pattaya, nothing more, nothing less. Other people love it and that's fine. It's just personal preference. I know BKK better that I do Pattaya because of the amount of time I have spent here so that probably makes the difference.[/QUOTE]
Thats may be why I like Pattaya better I just have spent more time there and have explored it more.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Absolutely, you should go once and form your own opinion. If you like it stay. If you don't, go to BKK. Buses run every hour.[/QUOTE]
Too right but don't just go to to the airport(BKK) (sorry LOL) Bangkok how about exploring more may be Chang Mai, Phuket or Koh Samui.
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]
Sorry but can you explain "Euro Trash"????[/QUOTE]
I think its a pompous ass Americanism meaning the loud, belching, shaven headed, multi-tattooed, beer gutted species of humanity, usually British, that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year. May be wrong though!!
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]Thats may be why I like Pattaya better I just have spent more time there and have explored it more.[/QUOTE]Thailearner and others.- since you know Pattaya, where should I go in Pattaya? I'm looking for better looking girls who aren't ice cold. Not looking for the cheapest girls, although if they are pretty and cheap, that is good too of course.
Anyone ever stayed at the Queen Vic? Rooms look nice but it is on Soi 6 which sounds like the very centre of it all (?)
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]I think its a pompous ass Americanism meaning the loud, belching, shaven headed, multi-tattooed, beer gutted species of humanity, usually British, that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year. May be wrong though!![/QUOTE]
No I think those are yobs or chavs, aren't they? I think 'Eurotrash' means a certain sort of slick, greasy, cologned Continental who one often finds in discos and whatnot.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]As far as I know, there is no dress code in BKK that is any different than Pattaya. [/QUOTE]
There are some places that don't allow tank tops shorts and sandals in bkk. Skybar is one place that comes to mind.
from Urban Dictionary-
A drug addicted, skinny, pale, sarcastic,trust fund baby, clubbing every night, male/female. eurotrash have keen fashion sense and often aren't european. they often go to university full time, but skip most of their classes and have no major. they don't get kicked out and they don't have any visible form of income but live lavishly. eurotrash don't bathe, smile or wash their hair on a regular basis so they may reek of perfumes and colognes.
I think that a hooligan is a more accurate description-
a rowdy and typically young brawler vandal or trouble maker; a punk.
[QUOTE=Opebo]No I think those are yobs or chavs, aren't they? I think 'Eurotrash' means a certain sort of slick, greasy, cologned Continental who one often finds in discos and whatnot.[/QUOTE]
Cannot imagine he meant the true definition of 'eurotrash'. Do you find many 'slick, greasy, cologned Continentals' in Pattaya? Maybe you do but its not their normal habitat. Chavs are Burberry'd, blinged, Essex sink estate yobbo's so I think yobs is his more likely meaning. Except Yob (backward boy) is a uniquely British word which he probably doesn't use. Its nearest American equivalent is likely to be 'trailer trash'. Maybe that is the word he meant to use but didn't want to imply that low class Americans frequent Pattaya (God forbid!!).
Cue RA.
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]I think its a pompous ass Americanism meaning the loud, belching, shaven headed, multi-tattooed, beer gutted species of humanity, usually British, that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year. May be wrong though!![/QUOTE]
Okay ...... Let's start from the top .....
"Loud" - nope, not me, I think
"Belching" - yep, can't help it, it's the beer mostly, but I do think I'm discrete about it
"shaven headed" - yep, no denying that one
"beer gutted species of humanity" - bugger, that's me to a tee, unfortunately - okay, I'll work on reducing that
"usually British" - usually, by birth, I am, can't get away from it
"that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year" - thought this might be my get out clause but on consideration it might not be! I could maybe be classed as a heathen as I don't worship any faith and have descended on Pattaya each of the last two years and, despite my reservations will probably visit there as a wing-man in March 09
Despite all the above logical argument, I don't consider myself Eurotrash but I do empathise with the intent of the definition. Maybe needs something in there about Union Flag shorts and sleeveless T if being applied to Brits only.
There is stuff I could say following my last visit to Pattaya regarding observations of the tourist milieu but I would not like to be drawn into comments about nationalities or the like. But, there are some predominant expat nationalities in Pattaya that do push my personal levels of tolerance.
Nuff said as far as I'm concerned.
To Sonic Bam - Hahaha but nah sorry mate - you don't qualify for that exclusive club. You have to have tattoo's of the badge and name of your home football club emblazoned in large letters over your ample chest and 'Engerland' and the 3 lions on your back.
Otherwise you might just qualify to the proud moniker of Pattaya Yobbo Eurotrash.
Suggest you work on it!!
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Took the Skytrain from Nana around 9:30 PM to Patpong, walked around, went into a few places, if I’d wanted girls dancing on a stage I could have stayed at Nana, so I was hitting the little upstairs places, one place had to have the fattest women in Thailand dancing around naked, ended up at a little place called Kangaroo’s Club. I went up the stairs and heard a bell ring announcing that someone was headed up, it was small, had an L-Shaped couch with about 8 girls/women and a bar with maybe 6 stools, I sit down, I’m the only customer in the place and I’m surrounded by 4 of them, ones kind of cute and has a way about her, I ask her to sit down, we talk and I spot this sign on the wall, my mouth drops and I look shocked, I’m not really, she ask what’s wrong, I point to the sign, she laughs and said yea that’s what we do here, it said “We give the best blowjobs in Bangkok”. Really, how much, 800 for just a BJ and 1300 for sex, is that a BBBJ until I finish, yea it is where do you want to finish, in your mouth, OK but I wouldn’t swallow, I’m OK with that but 800’s too much how about 600 and if I’m happy I’ll tip you 200, she agrees and we go into the back.
She strips and then undresses me, I sit back in the beat-up old chair, she get on her knees and proceeds to give one hell of a BBBJ and I cum in her mouth.
Now it gets interesting, all the time she was blowing me she was rubbing/fingering herself and after I came she was hot as hell and wanted me to f**k her, I told her I would love to but not for 1300, she said she didn’t care about that but don’t tell them outside we had sex too, OK lets go. I got a condom out of my pocket and gave it to her, she got back down on her knees and sucked me until I was hard, thanks vitamin “V”, put the cover on then she sat/laid on the chair and I pounded for all I was worth, she came but wanted more, had her turn around with her knees on the arms of the chair so she would be the right height and it spread her wide for standing doggie, grabbed her by the waist for leverage and hit it hard, she came again, I didn’t but it was cool. We dressed and returned to the front, I finished my Coke and left. I went back to the Skytrain around 11:30/45 PM and back to Nana.
June gave me her number and wants me to come back. She called the next day but I didn’t answer.
Gee, yesterday I had May and today I had June, if I’d gone back I wonder if I’d found July?
Mike
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After I walked back up to Nana, and my rousing round with May, I was tired and hungry so I went to the McDonalds before heading all the way up to Nanatai Mansion. After about an hour I headed home but along the way one of the street girls got my attention, she was a cute little thing, looked so sad, said she wasn’t from around here, 30 km away, didn’t know anyone here so she was alone, had been there 4 hours and really needed some money. I explained that I’d just had a girl and couldn’t boom-boom so I was sorry I couldn’t help her, she offered to give me just a massage if I wanted, sounded interesting so I asked how much for just a massage and she said it was up to me, so I said look, I can get one hour massages all over for 150 to 250 how much do you want and again she said it’s up to you, I said if you’re not going to tell me what you want I have to go and walked away. I walked a ways thinking about her and went back and told her I’d give her 300 for a massage, she countered with 500 for a massage and a BJ, I’m thinking I really don’t need another BJ today and I’m sure not going to give her 500 for a massage but I was getting a little tingle down below, she said she was very good at BJ’s and she would give me “power”, pointing her finger straight, Oh really and if you give me power for boom-boom how much will that be, 1000, I said I’ll give you 400 for the massage and the BJ and if you give me “power” and I can boom-boom I’ll give you 800, she moaned and groaned and then I said if you give me a good massage and BJ I’ll give you 400 and if you make me happy I’ll tip you 100 and if you give me “power” and we boom-boom 800 and I’m happy I’ll tip you 200. We had a little language problem but we got it worked out and she was willing to go along with what I offered, she gave me a big wet kiss and we were off to my hotel.
On the way she held my hand/arm, wrapped her arms around my waist and was very warm and friendly, I’m starting to like this girl.
The only name she would give me was “A”, said she was 25 but then corrected herself saying she wouldn’t be 25 until January 6th, said she was from a very small town way up north and her family, mother, father, brother, sister and her moved to BKK 5 years ago, they were very poor, her father couldn’t work because he had been in an accident and her mother was a maid cleaning condos, her sister didn’t work because she had 3 kids, her brother was lazy, and she worked part-time at a massage place near her home outside BKK but there were not any customers so it didn’t pay much. She said she had come to Nana one other time but nobody picked her. Note: This is just what she said and it may or may not have been the truth, but I just listened and acted interested.
When we got to the hotel she gave her ID the guy out front and up to my room, she thought it was beautiful, come on it’s Nanatai Mansion at 900 Baht a night, but it has solid walls and where she lives they’re wood, it has hot water and she doesn’t have that, and it’s big compared to the whole house where 8 people live, so maybe it is nice after all.
We sit on the bed and soon we’re in each other’s arms DFK, total GFE. She asks if she can take a shower, of course and there’s shampoo and conditioner there too, she loves that, strips right there in front of me, wow what a great little body she has, I’m starting to feel the “power” already, I tell her how beautiful and sexy I think she is and she poses for me, I get out the camera and she has fun doing different poses and looking at them on the camera, some she didn’t like and asked me to delete it so she can try it again, we’re having a great time. She goes in the shower, still talking to me telling me how much she likes the shower, takes a nice long shower, comes out and then I go in, when I come out she’s on the bed waiting for me, so sexy. I joined her and it became clear that there wasn’t going to be any massage because we were together totality making out, DFK GFE, and the fun began. Great BBBJ, ball licking/sucking, 69, condom, she gets on top and it takes a while but she gets all the way down and then just holds still pressing down on me, she cums, holds me tight and then F**fs me good, she comfortable with it now so we switch to mish, she cums again, switch to doggie but she has a hard time with it so we switch to spoon, I came at last and “A” was thrilled. We lay together for about 30 minutes, she showered again, and while she was getting dressed she wanted me to take some more photos, we talked some more and when she said she had to go I got out her payment, I gave her 1000 plus 200 tip, she was worth every it.
I gave her my number but she didn’t call the next day.
Mike
I took the next day off and made plans to leave BKK, headed south, the next day. I’ll be back to BKK on my way home in a few weeks.
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]
Sorry but can you explain "Euro Trash"????[/QUOTE]
I don't have a definitation for Euro Trash. I just know it when I see it.
I use to see a lot of it in Russia and East Europe. What I describe as newly rich, wearing cheap clothes, rude, with no class, taste, education or manners. Just money to throw around demanding service and treating people like servants.
That's just my opinion, others are welcome.
BTW, we have a similiar class of people in the U.S. My family was usually referred to "white trash" because we took the wheels off our house every time we had to move, had perfectly good cars up on blocks in the front yard and major appliances on the front porch.
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]I think its a pompous ass Americanism meaning the loud, belching, shaven headed, multi-tattooed, beer gutted species of humanity, usually British, that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year. May be wrong though!![/QUOTE]
That wasn't what I had in mind when I used the term "Euro Trash." But it will work.
My wife thinks "Euro Trash" means people who can afford to vacation in Thailand, but can't afford to go to the dentist.
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Cannot imagine he meant the true definition of 'eurotrash'. Do you find many 'slick, greasy, cologned Continentals' in Pattaya? Maybe you do but its not their normal habitat. Chavs are Burberry'd, blinged, Essex sink estate yobbo's so I think yobs is his more likely meaning. Except Yob (backward boy) is a uniquely British word which he probably doesn't use. Its nearest American equivalent is likely to be 'trailer trash'. Maybe that is the word he meant to use but didn't want to imply that low class Americans frequent Pattaya (God forbid!!).
Cue RA.[/QUOTE]
See my previous post. I think I figured that out already. Being upper trailer trash (we had a double wide) I am a "better" and that's why I subconsciously don't like Pattaya.
Ain't got a clue what is a yob. But I suspect we have something similar in the States.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]...Ain't got a clue what is a yob. But I suspect we have something similar in the States.[/QUOTE]
Yes, we do, indeed.
I've seen all the types described below, (most of whom behave themselves and seem to congragate in their own Pattaya enclaves), but I'm ashamed to say that the ones who offend and irritate the most are not "Euro-trash," but rather the young American Navy servicemen on the USS Abraham Lincoln who invaded Pattaya on shore leave recently.
These assholes were loud, cocky, aggressive, and obnoxious to the point where I decided to prematurly leave the bar shortly after they swaggered in. I hate it when drunken clowns jump up on the stage to dance wildly with the girls, grabbing them; acting like they are god's gift to women and that the audience appreciates their 'talents.' I don't think the girls like it much either.
Thankfully, the ship has since sailed and the fools departed.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]That wasn't what I had in mind when I used the term "Euro Trash." But it will work.
My wife thinks "Euro Trash" means people who can afford to vacation in Thailand, but can't afford to go to the dentist.[/QUOTE]
Love your wife's wit - she must be a gem ;).
But now I get your meaning - guys who are allergic to toothpaste and soap.
Did you hear about the Eurotrash Monger who visited a Pattaya dentist one day for a check up. As he looked into the mans mouth, the dentist said,"Did you have oral sex last night?". "To which the man replied "Why, is there a pubic hair stuck in my teeth then?".
The dentist replied,"No, but there is shit on your nose" :D.
That kind of guy?
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]
.. ended up at a little place called Kangaroo’s Club. [/QUOTE]
Sounds like you had a great time, Mike. Wow, that Kangaroo Club has been going for some years. I recall getting a BJ there back in the late eighties when it was one of the very few places offering this service.
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Love your wife's wit - she must be a gem ;).
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She's wonderful! The kind of Thai woman that most on this board don't believe exists. Most atypical for a Thai. A perfect mix of Western and Thai. Modern in many ways, yet reserved in a lady like Thai way. And she puts me first and ensures I am happy and well cared for.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yes, we do, indeed.
I've seen all the types described below, (most of whom behave themselves and seem to congragate in their own Pattaya enclaves), but I'm ashamed to say that the ones who offend and irritate the most are not "Euro-trash," but rather the young American Navy servicemen on the USS Abraham Lincoln who invaded Pattaya on shore leave recently.
These assholes were loud, cocky, aggressive, and obnoxious to the point where I decided to prematurly leave the bar shortly after they swaggered in. I hate it when drunken clowns jump up on the stage to dance wildly with the girls, grabbing them; acting like they are god's gift to women and that the audience appreciates their 'talents.' I don't think the girls like it much either.
Thankfully, the ship has since sailed and the fools departed.[/QUOTE]
Another reason for me not to go to Pattaya.
Yet, who can blame them? They are young, dumb and full of cum. Cooped up on a ship with nothing but guys for months at sea. No where to spend their money so they spend like drunken sailors on shore leave.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Another reason for me not to go to Pattaya.
Yet, who can blame them? They are young, dumb and full of cum. Cooped up on a ship with nothing but guys for months at sea. No where to spend their money so they spend like drunken sailors on shore leave.[/QUOTE]
On my last trip I went to Patong Beach and Pattaya (June2008) and a couple of nights there was the USA Navy in town.
i spoke to a couple of them and had no problems don't always judge a book by its cover. The bar next to us on Soi Eric a group of them turned up with there own drink (did not buy it in the bar) and there was no respect to any of the staff or girls who worked there. I tried to have a word with one of them and just got a lot of abuse until they Americans I had been speaking
too spoke to them (found out later commanding officers) to sort it out they were not happy with them either. The group were then escorted back to ship.
IMO is that there is always a minority that spoils it or we are ashamed off.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I don't have a definitation for Euro Trash. I just know it when I see it.
I use to see a lot of it in Russia and East Europe. What I describe as newly rich, wearing cheap clothes, rude, with no class, taste, education or manners. Just money to throw around demanding service and treating people like servants.
That's just my opinion, others are welcome.
BTW, we have a similiar class of people in the U.S. My family was usually referred to "white trash" because we took the wheels off our house every time we had to move, had perfectly good cars up on blocks in the front yard and major appliances on the front porch.[/QUOTE]
That is one thing I don't like about Pattaya is the Russians and the Arabs all the ones have have had the unpleasure of dealing with are rude and arrogant. They have no respect for others at all.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Another reason for me not to go to Pattaya...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well, no one said that Pattaya is perfect, but at least we have more pussy per capita; the beautiful gulf of Siam; cool refreshing sea breezes; and a far more friendly, informal, and relaxed atmosphere than Bangkok -- the blazing hot, smog choked, asphalt jungle of Thailand.
I can put up with a few ugly Americans from time to time for the privilege of living in paradise. :)
[QUOTE=Daddy07]
a far more friendly, informal, and relaxed atmosphere than Bangkok -- the blazing hot, smog choked, asphalt jungle of Thailand.
I can put up with a few ugly Americans from time to time for the privilege of living in paradise. :)[/QUOTE]
Exactly why I prefer Chiang Mai over BKK.
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]That is one thing I don't like about Pattaya is the Russians and the Arabs all the ones have have had the unpleasure of dealing with are rude and arrogant. They have no respect for others at all.[/QUOTE]
Russians are Russians, but don't get me started on the Arabs...
Geez, why the sudden 'unpleasure' at Arabs in the Thai threads? They're the most friendly and respectful people I've ever worked with. Maybe there's unpleasure that they are paying more than western punters?
ThaiLearner - I now dub thee "EnglishLearner". 'Unpleasure'? Sheesh.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Geez, why the sudden 'unpleasure' at Arabs in the Thai threads? They're the most friendly and respectful people I've ever worked with. Maybe there's unpleasure that they are paying more than western punters?
ThaiLearner - I now dub thee "EnglishLearner". 'Unpleasure'? Sheesh.[/QUOTE]
Hummm... do you think that our buddy Osma Bin Laden and his merry band of pranksters might have something do do with it? ;)
Oh, and I'll wager that Thai Learner's first language is not English, but I might be mistaken.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Geez, why the sudden 'unpleasure' at Arabs in the Thai threads? They're the most friendly and respectful people I've ever worked with. Maybe there's unpleasure that they are paying more than western punters?
ThaiLearner - I now dub thee "EnglishLearner". 'Unpleasure'? Sheesh.[/QUOTE]
Not at all the ones in Thailand I have found to be rude and arrogant never had a problem with that before .
Sorry but what the hell are you on about I suggest you think before you comment.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Hummm... do you think that our buddy Osma Bin Laden and his merry band of pranksters might have something do do with it? ;)
Oh, and I'll wager that Thai Learner's first language is not English, but I might be mistaken.[/QUOTE]
How far from the truth can you be, don't just make assumptions.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]I'll wager that Thai Learner's first language is not English, but I might be mistaken.[/QUOTE]Just ran a check on him: First language is English. Failed first-grade grammar. Left school at 16. Married and divorced twice. Ran to Thailand. Living happily ever after.
I'm jealous.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I remember, probably 20 years ago, there was a huge pipe about one meter in diameter right on the beach in Pattya that dumped raw sewage directly into the Gulf of thailand. About 100 meters up the beach were swimmers and seafood restaurants. Ever since I haven't wanted to return to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]
ah ah so that means that 20 years ago "eurotrash" was there already! at least they were eurotrash when leaving hte sea after swimming there! lol
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]On my last trip I went to Patong Beach and Pattaya (June2008) and a couple of nights there was the USA Navy in town.
i spoke to a couple of them and had no problems don't always judge a book by its cover. The bar next to us on Soi Eric a group of them turned up with there own drink (did not buy it in the bar) and there was no respect to any of the staff or girls who worked there. I tried to have a word with one of them and just got a lot of abuse until they Americans I had been speaking
too spoke to them (found out later commanding officers) to sort it out they were not happy with them either. The group were then escorted back to ship.
IMO is that there is always a minority that spoils it or we are ashamed off.[/QUOTE]
ehmm.... the "ok" guys happened to be, as you mentioned, commanding officers. Do not want to be classy, but certainly they position themselves, in principle!, on the high end, including politeness. True that politeness is not on sale only in High Street, but still...to some degrees looks like it is (on principle, I repeat)
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]On my last trip I went to Patong Beach and Pattaya (June2008) and a couple of nights there was the USA Navy in town.
I spoke to a couple of them and had no problems don't always judge a book by its cover. The bar next to us on Soi Eric a group of them turned up with there own drink (did not buy it in the bar) and there was no respect to any of the staff or girls who worked there. I tried to have a word with one of them and just got a lot of abuse until they Americans I had been speaking too spoke to them (found out later commanding officers) to sort it out they were not happy with them either. The group were then escorted back to ship. IMO is that there is always a minority that spoils it or we are ashamed off. [/QUOTE]Few decades ago their asses were severely beaten up by the Vietcong. When they get into the SE-Asian region back something happens in their mind and they start to act and speak like weirdos.
Can anyone plese confirm the opening time for disco and pubs in BKK this Christmas time. Are they open until 06.00am?
I realy need this information
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]How far from the truth can you be, don't just make assumptions.[/QUOTE]
Hey, man, I was just coming to your defense. Now I'm very sorry and feeling unpleasure for my mistake. How could I have known that in real life you are professor emeritus in the department of medieval literature at Oxford?
PAttaya people, please go back to Pattaya and don't pollute the Bangkok Thread, some people here don't want to hear about Pattaya (which is why they come to the Bangkok Thread)
Thank you in advance.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]PAttaya people, please go back to Pattaya and don't pollute the Bangkok Thread, some people here don't want to hear about Pattaya (which is why they come to the Bangkok Thread)
Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]
The discussion HAS been about Bangkok, Nic. The question arose about where all the knowledgeable savvy Bangkokians go when they want to take the plugs out of their butts and enjoy themselves. Answer: Pattaya.
BTW -- I can tell that your dick hasn't healed yet. You woke up grumpy today. :)
[QUOTE=Piper1]Geez, why the sudden 'unpleasure' at Arabs in the Thai threads? They're the most friendly and respectful people I've ever worked with. Maybe there's unpleasure that they are paying more than western punters?
[/QUOTE]
To visitors in their home country there couldn't be more hospitable people. Iraq is the obvious exception, but we won't discuss that here.
However, have you been around Sukhumvit Soi 3 lately?
I've also been in Bahrain on a Thursday night when they come over the causeway from Saudi heading for the bars. Not a good place to be, especially when they kick you out of your hotel to give to the Saudis who pay three times as much.
Without wishing to state the obvious, when it comes to different nationalities, we're not talking about each country's finest exports. The chavs and geezers that you see from England (youngish, football shirts, gelled-down hair and tattoos on their forearms) are a certain type of Englishman, but by no means totally representative. Ditto the shaven-headed, built-like-brick-sh!thouses Russians and the cheap charlie Arabs.
The drunken, happy-go-lucky Irish though, that's pretty much universal. I speak as an Irishman.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]BTW -- I can tell that your dick hasn't healed yet. You woke up grumpy today. :)[/QUOTE]
You're right... :( I apologise
What can I say... 3 days without emptying my sac, it's getting heavy. The wound heals nicely but I prefer to wait until it is 100% back before starting any action.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]However, have you been around Sukhumvit Soi 3 lately?
I've also been in Bahrain on a Thursday night when they come over the causeway from Saudi heading for the bars. Not a good place to be, especially when they kick you out of your hotel to give to the Saudis who pay three times as much.[/QUOTE]Fair enough point. A bunch of horny guys from any country, in a hurry to get some action, would be less than hospitable.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Fair enough point. A bunch of horny guys from any country, in a hurry to get some action, would be less than hospitable.[/QUOTE]
Saudis though remember - they were probably thinking fuck the girls (later), we need a drink :D.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Russians are Russians, but don't get me started on the Arabs...[/QUOTE]And the americans have no idea--NONE--what is going on in the world and in particular europe. Arabs and moslems are simply taking over europe. It is like a war in slow motion, where the invading force is more or less being accomodated and comforted by french, english, belgians, dutch, etc. Huge areas of england are now essentially pakistan and iran. Mosques abound, churches are converted into islamic schools. They come from the middle east, go on a variety of welfare programs, and live off english idiots. Don't get me started. When iran gets nukes, the only safe place to be will be Pattaya.
Health makes all things work,
Wealth makes all things possible,
Love makes all things beautiful.
May you have all three in 2OO9.
Happy New Year!!
Big fire in the Santika nightclub in Ekkamai. Sadly 55 people dead. I sincerely ope there are no forumers or their friends/family involved.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081231/ap_on_re_as/as_thailand_nightclub_fire[/url]
[QUOTE=StudPlayer][url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081231/ap_on_re_as/as_thailand_nightclub_fire[/url][/QUOTE]My condolences to the families of the victims.
When I first saw the news report, I was thinking it would be NEP. Out of three trips to LOS and many many days in BKK I have only step foot into NEP twice. It is a potential death trap if a major fire happened.
Noble gents,
Some 4 year ago I met a real cute and slim gem at Beergarden. Oiy was sweet 19, very kind and funny. Used to see her once on all my visits but I lost her mobile. Did anyone met her? I was astonished to discover that she became a movie star. Any information, hopefully her mobilenumber will be most welcomed.
Thanks in advance
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My mid Dec trip was another amazing visit. I was totally stressed about the airport closure but through the grace of buddah my trip was delayed all of about 5 hours which didn't allow us to land until @1am. As I had spent @15 days on TLL I had many phone numbers in hand and now might consider sharing or trading a few. I called my 1st choice, an exceedingly skinny 21 yo, 35 kg, largely my prime type target and by 2am we were meeting at the Dynasty Inn for a much needed roll in the hay. Better part of 2 days and nights mostly w/her until I made up some shit to free myself from her. A decision I later came to question as her availability to me all but evaporated after that. So after my first couple of nights at the DI I moved around the corner to the Sheraton. They upgrade me to a 2 room, 2 bath suite per my premium status, free happy hour and a v nice b'fast. The TLL connections were an entertaining daytime distraction. Meet several at Siam Paragon, some came right to the hotel, but in any event I shagged maybe 10 out of the 13 or so I meet. 2 were on the rag and the 3rd I had to more or less tell her to get naked or leave the hotel as I had another coming in short order. I felt like an ass but I am living w/myself so far. Went to the German Brewery I'd heard about here, good fun, reminded me of the now closed Colliseum. Met a v cute girl there after we had lunch at the Paragon. She was about 20, 40kg, exceptional face and smile but her body was surprisingly loose skinned. So in short I would recommend TLL if you want to meet girls during the day that could pan out to more. I am not a big boob fan per se, but I did grab I out of Rainbow 4, she had only been there a few days and claimed she hadn't been barfined there yet and that I was her 1st farang. Well who knows but she was a screamer and took it like a champ. #77, enjoy her guys, I sure did! So not much new to report other than the TLL additive, which yielded an interesting array of girls some of whom apparently had good jobs and fulfilling lives. I just got on DIA and am planning my 1st trip to the Phils now. Anyone willing to help please PM me.
[QUOTE=Mr Enforcer]Big fire in the Santika nightclub in Ekkamai. Sadly 55 people dead. I sincerely ope there are no forumers or their friends/family involved.[/QUOTE]
Very tragic - undisclosed number of foreigners but I've been in that club and know its very popular with tourists. Hope no ISG members were involved.
I suspect its a classic New Year disaster, revellers being allowed to take firecrackers onto the premises and all exits locked except the main door.
Last night another fire - Soi Cowboy, Raw Hide.
Luckily nobody injured.
Giotto
A little too ironic in the naming of the event as "Goodbye Santika" when it truly was the end of the place and of innocent lives. What a shame. When are people going to learn that you can NOT use pyrotechnics and fireworks INSIDE nightclubs. The same thing caused the deaths of 100 and injuries to over 200 in the US at a club in Rhode Island. Neither of these tragedies had to happen. God rest in peace they're souls.
Hello handsome man. Come inside have a look please. Welcome. Sit here OK. What you drink? Carlsberg no have. No have long time. Heineken same OK? Moment please. Have a look, many pretty lady for you.
You want? You want lady sit you tell me. What? OK, I sit with you. You handsome man. Pen knon arai? You speak Thai? Nit noi? I speak English little bit. Where you come from? America? Cannot. I think you look same same Hong Kong. No? Not same? Your face I think no look American. Live America, OK, I know, but your face look—OK, OK, American.
My name Lek.
You stay hotel? Work Thailand? Have condo? How long you stay Thailand? One year, why you no speak Thai? You need Thai teacher? I teach you Thai. You like Thailand? Sanook di mai? Khao jai mai? Oh, you can speak Thai. Geng maak. How old you? I think you look younger. You look – very good, very good. Me? Twenty-two. Work here two year. I no see you here before, you not come? I used to dancing dancing but now just welcome. Dancing too much talk talk okay better.
Can you buy me drink?
I come Buri Ram. You know? Isaan. North-east Thailand. Very beautiful. Many girl work here come Isaan, you know? You go Isaan? No? Very hot. Bangkok better, have friend here. Live with my sister. Father mother me have farm in Buri Ram, rambutan. You know rambutan? Only summer, aloi maak. Very good but money no good. You have brother sister? No? stay alone? Have wife? No? Girlfriend? I think you have many many. No?
Cheers.
Have no boyfriend. Have boyfriend before but no boyfriend now. Have Thai boyfriend Buri Ram but no good. Thai man no good, drink too much no work. I have farang boyfriend in Bangkok but he go back Israel. I no see him long time but he call me. He want me to stop work bar but he no give me money. I work bar send money to father mother Buri Ram, have no boyfriend. Have to take care sister me.
You buy drink for my friend? My sister, name Noi. Not same sister me live together, this my sister work bar. You have friend, can go with Noi. No? You like other lady, you tell me I bring. Me? You like me? You want I go with you. Can pay bar fine 500 baht OK? You like me I happy can go with you. OK mai?
Where you go?
You no like me? Where you go? I go with you. We go dancing OK? Have disco open late, I know can go. You pay bar I go with you. What? Meet you? I meet you? Cannot. Work here. You pay bar I go. You no pay bar I no go. Pay bar OK? Work late. After? After work go home? Can go dancing, but go now. You pay bar I go now. Why you no pay bar? Where you go?
OK, check. You give tip for me? No? You no like me? Where you go? Go home now? OK, I go with you! Just joking. Next time. You come back I go with you.
Rikusa,
That is an amazing Post!!! For a minute there I could see myself in all these situations. Very real!
Do you have more, it cracks me up :D
Rikusa,
Your post should be in the Thailand reports Hall of Fame.
I have heard the exact statements every time.
Good job!
[QUOTE=MeatMan]A little too ironic in the naming of the event as "Goodbye Santika" when it truly was the end of the place and of innocent lives. What a shame. When are people going to learn that you can NOT use pyrotechnics and fireworks INSIDE nightclubs. The same thing caused the deaths of 100 and injuries to over 200 in the US at a club in Rhode Island. Neither of these tragedies had to happen. God rest in peace they're souls.[/QUOTE]
Just chated to a Thai friend today about Santika, the NYE party doubled as a goodbye party after the land owner did not want to renew the lease on the club.
Been there once a couple of years ago, had a good time. Pitty it had to end this way.
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]Does anyone know anything about the upscale private clubs like Soprano House? I have been there before but could not figure out what was available, where, and for how much.
If you are into the music, it is definitely a cool place to check out. The girls are 9-10's but I don't know if they are available and if they are if their prices are ridiculous.
Please let me know your thoughts.[/QUOTE]
I have been to Soprano as well, and also frequent 2 other places, i.e. Exotica in Thonglor and Mayfair in Sukhumvit Soi 1.
I think they have the same concept and cost structure as Pegasus, although Pegasus' looks more prestigious and hi-so, from their website.
You have to pay for a "membership", which basically costs anywhere from Baht 20,000 upwards, and you get something like 5 bottles of, say, Johnny Walker Swing, and maybe 40 "drinks" for the ladies.
Each time you go back, you would drink from your stock of bottles, and the girls seated with you would be deducted from your 40 "drinks" -- it works out to be about 40 minutes per drink. So, if the girl sits with you for 3 hours, then it's about 5 drinks deducted for the night -- if you bring guests, then same formula applies to the girls seated with them. Depending on the establishment, there could be an extra charge if you take a karaoke room, say, Baht 1,500 to Baht 3,500 depending on the room size.
There are no girls available for "takeouts" in Soprano, and you basically pay through your nose, and cultivate a relationship by going back frequently -- it's quite possible to score privately with the girl of your choice after 4-5 visits, but you will have to negotiate separately.
At Exotica, there are 2 types of girls available, takeouts and non-takeouts. You have to inform the mama-san in advance that you would like to have takeouts, and she will bring in a different parade of girls for you to choose from. It costs about Baht 6,000 for the takeouts, excluding the tip to the girl at the end of the night.
At Mayfair, there are also 2 types of girls, and the takeouts tend to be slightly older, i.e. anywhere from 23-25 years and above. The good thing about the place is that there are well-furnished bedrooms available in-house. It's much more affordable than Exotica, as it costs Baht 3,000 for ST and slightly more for LT. Mayfair is a bit past its prime, it's now mainly Japanese customers, as compared to Exotica, Soprano or Pegasus.
Best,
Panya
[QUOTE=Rikusa]
My name Lek.
[/QUOTE]
Did you tell her your name was Yai ?
Had some days in Bangkok before Christmas and for the first time I met up with a mongering friend, never worked in team before. We booked a 2 bed room apartment at Omni Tower for 3 days, 4000 B a night. I arrived in the morning and had already done a visit to Tulip when he arrived and was quite happy. He had spent some wild days in Manila and wasn’t in a rush either so we took some beers at NEP. Finished off at Rainbow 4 and he invited one of the better looking ones for a drink. She quoted 5000 B for LT and was not interested in lowering the price even though it was about to close. I guess she get that ridiculous amount every now and then by some desperate guys. No need to go very often then I guess. We took a walk down Sukhumvit to Soi Cowboy. Not many lookers on the street even it was a Friday. Only one place still open and they were about to close.
Just outside of Soi Cowboy we stopped at one of the night stands serving food and beer and my friend asked one of the “hostesses” there if she would join us for trip to Boss where he wanted to go. He had to pay a 500 B “barfine”. It turned out later to be the best 500 B investment he has ever done. The taxi couldn’t really find the place, I think it has changed name, but we ended up at a place called Bossy, God knows where. Not my usual scene, but a lot of candy there. We were back home in the morning hours. The girl had her red days so it was no boom boom for him that night.
Second day we met with a friend of him, her sister, cousin and a ladyboy friend of them for food and drinks. The sister was stunning. The cousin was a sweet little 21 year old which I got along with quite well. No signs of protective behavior and later some gentle stroking and discreet kisses as the drinks were consumed. The stunning sister had too many glasses of wine and complained about the jealous boyfriend monitoring every movement so I don’t think it will last. May be a possibility in the future. The sisters left, one helping the staggering beauty.
So the others wanted to go to Spicy. Here we go again. 1500 B for a bottle of whisky got the 4 of us; me, my friend, the cousin and the ladyboy, free entrance, which would have been 300 B pr person anyway (with a free drink I think). Before you turn crazy about me going out with a LB, it was actually quite practical since s(he) could point out the others. The place got quite crowded around 2 o’clock, and too much smoking inside will not make it place I would like to return to.
I thought I had secured my night since we got along very well, but I didn’t like what happened later. When returned from the toilet one of the staff working there in his Spicy shirt and a name tag was drinking at the table. Pouring the girls whiskey (from his own bottle). My friend told me there was a kind of drama while I was away. Later I asked her if that was her boyfriend, which she denied, but the mood was ruined anyway. Whoever this jealous Thai trying to mark territory was, I didn’t like the situation she had put me in. Bringing me to a place where a jealous local guy work isn’t exactly smart thing and put me in a risky situation. So I left shortly after and she decided to stay as expected. Well, nobody jumped at me while leaving and I got back to the hotel, empty handed. She sent me several messages later, but I didn’t want to go with that girl again.
Next day we took a look at the night marked in Patpong and took a break at a ground floor a-go-go in the other Patpong street. Quite a few lookers with slim and delicate bodies there. Prices quoted, BF600, ST 2000, LT 4000. The one we stopped at had the bad habit of sending the girl up for dancing even when she has just been bought a LD, so we left. I showed my friend Star of Light and the big boobed woman in the bar gave him a BJ in the toilet while having a beer. I just sat in the bar with mine (beer). It was hilarious when the woman came out and spat the load into the sink, too much she complained.
We linked up with the girl he picked up 2 days ago for dinner. There was a red spot on the bed sheets the next morning. I left them at the end of Soi 4 and NEP. There was a dancer in Vodoo on the ground floor which fancied my interest, a smiley and cheery one. She seemed to be really keen on going with me and accepted my 2000 B LT. Paid the 600 B BF and left for some food first. When she stepped down I realized she was very small, only 149 cm. Actually she looked better inside than outside as well, but she was ok in bed. A very cozy little girl. What was most interesting was her pubic heir or lack of so. I thought she was shaved, but with closer inspection she had a few very thin hairs. It looked like she had just entered puberty. Unfortunately she wouldn’t let me take pictures. The next day we took a taxi to Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Beagleface]And the americans have no idea--NONE--what is going on in the world and in particular europe. Arabs and moslems are simply taking over europe. It is like a war in slow motion, where the invading force is more or less being accomodated and comforted by french, english, belgians, dutch, etc. Huge areas of england are now essentially pakistan and iran. Mosques abound, churches are converted into islamic schools. They come from the middle east, go on a variety of welfare programs, and live off english idiots. Don't get me started. When iran gets nukes, the only safe place to be will be Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Lets keep politics out of the forum. Huge areas of England have Pakistani population as it used to be a colony of England and a lot of people immigrated to England long time ago.Most Arabs are hard working,while there are a few who live off the system. Having said that the only reason there are so many russians working in thailand are to attract the arab population who pay significantly more for their services(dont like that) . Again,this forum is to discuss our hobby and not bigoted point of views.
This is Thailand ... no, This is Bangkok (!!!):
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqNx7vJLDE[/URL]
Giotto
[QUOTE=Panya]I have been to Soprano as well, and also frequent 2 other places, i.e. Exotica in Thonglor and Mayfair in Sukhumvit Soi 1.
I think they have the same concept and cost structure as Pegasus, although Pegasus' looks more prestigious and hi-so, from their website.
You have to pay for a "membership", which basically costs anywhere from Baht 20,000 upwards, and you get something like 5 bottles of, say, Johnny Walker Swing, and maybe 40 "drinks" for the ladies.
Each time you go back, you would drink from your stock of bottles, and the girls seated with you would be deducted from your 40 "drinks" -- it works out to be about 40 minutes per drink. So, if the girl sits with you for 3 hours, then it's about 5 drinks deducted for the night -- if you bring guests, then same formula applies to the girls seated with them. Depending on the establishment, there could be an extra charge if you take a karaoke room, say, Baht 1,500 to Baht 3,500 depending on the room size.
There are no girls available for "takeouts" in Soprano, and you basically pay through your nose, and cultivate a relationship by going back frequently -- it's quite possible to score privately with the girl of your choice after 4-5 visits, but you will have to negotiate separately.
At Exotica, there are 2 types of girls available, takeouts and non-takeouts. You have to inform the mama-san in advance that you would like to have takeouts, and she will bring in a different parade of girls for you to choose from. It costs about Baht 6,000 for the takeouts, excluding the tip to the girl at the end of the night.
At Mayfair, there are also 2 types of girls, and the takeouts tend to be slightly older, i.e. anywhere from 23-25 years and above. The good thing about the place is that there are well-furnished bedrooms available in-house. It's much more affordable than Exotica, as it costs Baht 3,000 for ST and slightly more for LT. Mayfair is a bit past its prime, it's now mainly Japanese customers, as compared to Exotica, Soprano or Pegasus.
Best,
Panya[/QUOTE]I the past I went quite a few times to St. Moritz in Sukh. Soi 11. In this club the mamasans force you to take a girl with you at your table. Spending one evening in such a club always cost me 4-5k without getting anything special in return! One night when I was there, I realized this and from then on I never went back.
[QUOTE=Giotto]This is Thailand ... no, This is Bangkok (!!!):
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqNx7vJLDE[/URL]
Giotto[/QUOTE]I saw this before but never knew where. Do you know the location in Bangkok?
[QUOTE=Bob Down]Did you tell her your name was Yai ?[/QUOTE]
Use the name Dor Yai
[QUOTE=Paul2020]I saw this before but never knew where. Do you know the location in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Paul2020,
It's Klongtoey Market.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Bono]Lets keep politics out of the forum. Huge areas of England have Pakistani population as it used to be a colony of England and a lot of people immigrated to England long time ago.Most Arabs are hard working,while there are a few who live off the system. Having said that the only reason there are so many russians working in thailand are to attract the arab population who pay significantly more for their services(dont like that) . Again,this forum is to discuss our hobby and not bigoted point of views[/QUOTE]Let's all be like bono and ask the average bloke who makes £25K per year to pay more taxes to give that money away to corrupt african dictators, while you, bono, multimillionaire, move production out of ireland to avoid taxes. Just the facts, please, just the facts. Maybe you can answer--why doesn't bono give away, say, 1/4 of his wealth? He'd still have millions upon millions. Hell, madonna just gave ritchie something like £50M, surely bono can cough up something like that for, say, hunger in haiti?
Now to return to topic--where can I find Russian girls? I've found them in FKK clubs, they are stunning, didn't see them my one trip in BKK. I share with my arab brethren a liking for them.
Back in Bangkok for few days I paid a midday visit to the Star of light bar in Patpong. After a couple of drinks I selected Pla, a small girl from Kalasin. Her blowjob (as usual performed on the sofa) was really good and ended with the customary (for that place) come-in-mouth.
After the "business" was done I spent some time talking with her and I found out that she is an "anal provider".
That’s music for my ears so I booked her for late in the afternoon.
To cut a long story short, we met at 5 o’clock at the hotel Pavillion (just 50 meters from the Star of Light). No need to pay the barfine (not that it matters so much as it is a mere 400 baht) as I went directly to the hotel and I guess she has already finished her working–shift.
In the bed she performed even better than in the bar!
A great anal session she seemed to enjoy (I surely did! ) that let me exhausted on the bed.
At the end of the session she suggested a massage in order to let me relax. The massage soon began a blowjob ended with a came-on-face.
All this for 1500 baht!
This girls deserves to be taken for a whole night but that was impossibile for me this time as I am travelling with my wife (that on the same night claimed a coulpe of sex-performances, leaving me the next morning more similar to a carpet than a human being and forcing me to call off the scheduled afternoon session at the Eden Club.).
In any case I will surely take Pla overnight on my next trip to Bangkok in February. One month to go.
Italy 1974
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I am an experienced monger in Europe, Asia and South America but only recently made it to Thailand. This is the report on my experiences.
I stayed at the Dynasty Grande. My rate was about 2400 BHT/night and I couldn't recommend this hotel more highly for its location, the quality of the room and the service of the staff.
I have to say I found Bangkok a tough nut to crack. I was there for 6 nights in total, more than enough to get to know the basics of the city it I'd say, but I left feeling either it wasn't for me or i needed more time.
Most of my time was spent in the Sukhumvit area, particularly Soi 4 - Soi 7
The quality of girls is average. Stunners are few and far between, but i suppose they are all over the world. I found Thai girls to be, on average, quite 'unsexy' particularly in comparison to Latinas. I'm not referring to looks here but to their attitude. I'm turned off by the natural subservience of Asian women. I have lived in Asia for several years before so this wasn't a surprise. Obviously this is a personal opinion and not all mongers will share it.
Go-go bars. I didn't exploit these as much as I should have done. The quality of the dancing girls was much higher than the bar girls and I should have collected some phone numbers. I regret not doing this.
As previously reported, the particularly good Go-Gos are: Rainbow 4 (Nana), Baccarat (Soi Cowboy) and Shark Bar (Soi Cowboy)
Pool bars. I only really know the ones on Soi 4. Apparently most of them are owned by the same Swiss owner. Hillary's I and II were probably the best. Soi 4 is dominated by Brits.
Beergarden. I quite liked this place. After about 2pm it's full of freelancers and although the average is pretty low, the sheer quantity of girls means there'll always be a few stunners. I was most enamored with a bar girl there, though, but after days of pursuit no luck :-(
Gullivers. An enormous bar, much larger than Beergarden, but for the 4 or 5 times i was there it's was running at about 10% capacity, in comparison to Beergarden which was always full.
Massage parlours: I visited only 2: Annies and Tulips. I went to Tulips twice and both times the performance was very high. In particular the first time with a girl called Ma, or maybe it was Mae. Not beautful, maybe a 5 or 6, but sublime performance, in my top 5 sex experiences of all time (which is saying something). A similar experience was had the second time. At Annies, however, i didn't get beyond the line-up. These girls were damn ugly. I left as soon as I had the misfortune of seeing them and I'm st6ill trying to remove the image of them from my mind.
Again, I should have visited more of the parlours. There are lots of excellent reports on this board of good massage parlours and I barely skimmed the surface.
Night life. Bangkok is suprisingly tame in comparison to many large international cities. Most bars close at 2am and although there's a very nice street scene after that where you can buy a beer and eat fabulous food, you won't find many bars open. However, I did visit two clubs both of which are very decent pick-up places. Confusingly, they have almost the same names: Spice Club on Soi 11 beneath the Ambassador Hotel and Spicies, somewhere further south. The former is more packed availables, but the latter is a more fun venue although you will suffer a lot of harrassment from taxi drivers on your exit looking to persuade you to take a massage or to take a trip to a 'better' club.
Be aware that going to these sorts of clubs every night, as I did, will significantly add to your budget. I spent an average of 1500 BHT on drinks per night alone at these clubs. Entrance is 200 BHT at Spice Club, inc 1 drink, and 300 BHT at Spicies, inc 1 drink.
Food. The quality of food in this country is outstanding. Always fresh and usually cheap.
Taxis. Particularly brazen at trying to rip you off. As reported here many times before, ALWAYS insist on the meter being turned on. The driver will be pissed, but it always pays to have it turned on. On the ride from my hotel to the airport, the driver kindly offered me a fare of 500 BHT which i declined much to his dismay and I ended up paying a meter price of 300 BHT. At the end of the journey I pointed out to him that he had been trying to rip me off of 200 BHT and I didn't appreciate it. Normally I'll just roll with the punches, but i was particularly annoyed at the way the taxi drivers behaved in BKK.
I must say that my first 5 days in BKK were only mildly enjoyable and much less so than my first trips to Peru, Colombia, Brazil and Argentina. However, I think I will go again soon and look on this trip as only a primer. A major reason for this is cost. I average around 100 EUR/day here (excluding hotel). In South America, I'd be looking at 200-300/day.
Next time I will spend more time exploring the MP options and focusing on getting some phone number
Hope this has been useful.
A
[QUOTE=Artful]...Taxis. Particularly brazen at trying to rip you off. As reported here many times before, ALWAYS insist on the meter being turned on. The driver will be pissed, but it always pays to have it turned on. On the ride from my hotel to the airport, the driver kindly offered me a fare of 500 BHT which i declined much to his dismay and I ended up paying a meter price of 300 BHT. At the end of the journey I pointed out to him that he had been trying to rip me off of 200 BHT and I didn't appreciate it. Normally I'll just roll with the punches, but i was particularly annoyed at the way the taxi drivers behaved in BKK.[/QUOTE]Most of the time the taxi drivers are well behaved but I think they're acting worse right now because business is slow and they are scrambling to make a baht. The last few times I've been in BKK I've had some very roundabout trips to my destinations (and I do know my way around). The problem with this is once they get "off course" it is not easy to correct because of the screwy street system. I don't mind paying a few baht extra but sometimes they stretch the limit. You can complain, or try to negotiate a lower fare, but it's best not to tussle too much with these guys as they are known to all have weapons.
You will find that with each successive trip to Bangkok you'll have a better time. Initially there's a fairly steep learning curve, but then eventually it will be a lot of fun. Read through some of the reports here from guys like Mick and Nic...they know the good spots to hit for fine women.
[QUOTE=Artful]
Taxis. .... At the end of the journey I pointed out to him that he had been trying to rip me off of 200 BHT and I didn't appreciate it. Normally I'll just roll with the punches, but i was particularly annoyed at the way the taxi drivers behaved in BKK.
[/QUOTE]
In Thailand you must try to be polite and smile.
Its fine to insist on using the meter but then having an argument about being ripped off is very impolite and un-Thai.
Chill-out man and try to have a good time.
200 Baht is just over 5 dollars. I give all the taxi driver a good tip out of compassion at the moment as business is extremely tough with the decline in tourism. These guys are barely making enough to eat at the moment and cannot pay the rent most likely. O.K. he inflated the price on the basis that westerners can afford it, and he needs the money.
Just remember a taxi ride in the west would cost you a fortune.
I tip all the serving staff in the hotels at the moment too. Just remember the waitress has no husband and is trying to save for a bicycle for her son and hasn't even got a refridgerator yet. Lives with severasl other family members in a tiny flat.
Just one example.
I didn't say I had an argument with him, just that I pointed out I knew what he did which I is perfetly legitimate.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]In Thailand you must try to be polite and smile.
Its fine to insist on using the meter but then having an argument about being ripped off is very impolite and un-Thai.
Chill-out man and try to have a good time.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]In Thailand you must try to be polite and smile.
Its fine to insist on using the meter but then having an argument about being ripped off is very impolite and un-Thai.
Chill-out man and try to have a good time.
200 Baht is just over 5 dollars. I give all the taxi driver a good tip out of compassion at the moment as business is extremely tough with the decline in tourism. These guys are barely making enough to eat at the moment and cannot pay the rent most likely. O.K. he inflated the price on the basis that westerners can afford it, and he needs the money.
Just remember a taxi ride in the west would cost you a fortune.
I tip all the serving staff in the hotels at the moment too. Just remember the waitress has no husband and is trying to save for a bicycle for her son and hasn't even got a refridgerator yet. Lives with severasl other family members in a tiny flat.
Just one example.[/QUOTE]
Bangkok Bargirls make more money than the head nurse at the Bumragrad, and if you don't ask how much something is up front in Thailand they will always overcharge. Time for the farhang to exploit and cash in on the Thai misfortune that they brought upon themselves. If the punter wants a 500b short time hecan now get it. If a backpacker wants a room at the Landmark he will get it. They didn't do anything to assist the stranded tourist and now they will have to pay the price. Thais did everything they could NOT to assist the stranded tourist. They misled the public totally hoping they would just hang around and sah-pend more money. Over here in NYC our poor people are freezing do death. Thai kids are starting to look as fat as American kids anyway, so maybe it is time for them to go on a diet.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Most of the time the taxi drivers are well behaved but I think they're acting worse right now because business is slow and they are scrambling to make a baht. The last few times I've been in BKK I've had some very roundabout trips to my destinations (and I do know my way around). The problem with this is once they get "off course" it is not easy to correct because of the screwy street system. I don't mind paying a few baht extra but sometimes they stretch the limit. You can complain, or try to negotiate a lower fare, but it's best not to tussle too much with these guys as they are known to all have weapons.
You will find that with each successive trip to Bangkok you'll have a better time. Initially there's a fairly steep learning curve, but then eventually it will be a lot of fun. Read through some of the reports here from guys like Mick and Nic...they know the good spots to hit for fine women.[/QUOTE]
And 800 Bht from Pattaya to that Airport with the wierd name that looks like a sci-fi circus tent is standard fare (plus tolls) and I usually give 200bht tip for the real long rides unless the driver has a bad attitude. It is a very simple thing. If going around Bangkok you don't close the door to the Cab until a)you have determined the Cabbie speaks english or If you have a card (in Thai) with the hotel name you show it to him and determine if he knows where it is. b) the meter turns on. Under no circumstances should you pay an un-metered fare without haggling. TOPS, maybe 250 bht from MoChit to KaoSan or Nana. I will tip generously if this guy is in backed up traffic
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]Bangkok Bargirls make more money than the head nurse at the Bumragrad, ...[/QUOTE]
I didn't mention bargirls at all!
[QUOTE=Artful]I didn't say I had an argument with him, just that I pointed out I knew what he did which I is perfetly legitimate.
[/QUOTE]
Yes its O.K. to point out that you know the real price, but westerners should try to avoid pointing out "what they did".
I am just giving advice for all the other newbies to Thailand.
I also am trying to learn to be more polite Thai style even after many years of experience.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes its O.K. to point out that you know the real price, but westerners should try to avoid pointing out "what they did".
I am just giving advice for all the other newbies to Thailand.
I also am trying to learn to be more polite Thai style even after many years of experience.[/QUOTE]
Thai style??.....have you ever gone on a taxi ride with Thai people....they don't allow any games in the taxi.....meter...to location.......round to next baht amount (i.e. 192 b = 200b).....out of taxi. Any deviation from this scenario = Thai man not happy and only throwing down what he perceives is the correct price. Taxi man maybe curses at Thai man calling him dog shit......taxi man leaves.....no police involved.
I have seen this played out quite a few times, but Thai people have less problems in taxis as they communicate better (obviously) than most farang....and therefore less misunderstandings.
Thai people don't put up with any crap from Thai taxi drivers......why is the farang to act Thai and take it rectally from these guys??.....who were quite dishonest before the recent political/economic downturn.
I personally have had few problems.....speak quite a bit of Thai....and the driver understands his passenger is going to be a problem...not worth it.....so just get the next guy. But I feel bad for the next guy who continually has to be the target for these dishonest taxi guys.
I have had some very nice, pleasant guys who have done an extra job for me.....and they have been rewarded in kind. There are some very good guys out there...helpful....and really trying hard to please. Then there are the dumb fucks who can't find Soi 8/Sukhumvit......how can they be driving a taxi in BKK?....then there are the nasty prick drivers who try to cheat every farang they get in their web.
You are right that pointing this out after the fact is not a good idea in this society. If the guy wanted 500....went on the meter and got 300...he is already losing face in his own mind....so better to just pay the 300 and move on.....this point I do understand.
I do laugh, why do people get this "impression" that Thai's are all so nice and polite and deal with things quietly and discretely?
You would never guess some people claim to have lived here for years.
Thai's deal with things in the Thai way.
If you are poor and have no big brother connections, you let fly at the scene and make you point and get your way. Thai's take no shit and are happy to let fly with the fists and feet and whatever.
If you are not so poor, and trying to keep up the Hi-So image, you take the shit and give the farangs and everyone around the impression that its quietly sorted out, in the meantime you phone you big brother and he gets a couple of off duty police/thugs/solidiers/whatever to visit the person who pissed you off in the evening or a few days later and kick the shit out of them.
If the problem is a bigger problem that just a kicking, you quiely let it slip out of peoples minds for a few weeks/months, and then you send someone around to shoot them dead.
This is the Thai way of dealing with things, no image to keep up then let it fly, if there is an image to keep up then deal with the offender later.
To recommend farangs be oh so gentle and quiet is the reason that so many get ripped off. Thai's love to rip off the farang, especially when nine times out of ten the farang will not even bother shouting some abuse.
Come on, if you were a school bully and nine children in ten would let you steal their money without even a whimper you would expand operations.
If nine out of ten shouted shit loads of abuse at you and other people saw you were a bully, it would make you think twice.
Just do not go around shouting "e-saat" or "e-hear" or words like that, that may seem as tame as "son of a *****" does to an Englishman who things that Americans are rather stupid to think that is a insult, but if you insult a Thai with 'e-saat" or "e-hear" then its fighting talk and fists flying most likely.
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This is why I take the airport to suk bus for 150 THB. Its interesting, I notice that they are more desperate, and anxious in this economic crisis, but they haven't responded (in general, the taxi drivers) with the typical market response, and instead are more outlandish with their dual price/rip off the farang ways. Typical Thai-conomics, bad times are coming so overcharge even more, because business is bad.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Thai style? . Have you ever gone on a taxi ride with Thai people. They don't allow any games in the taxi. Meter. To location. Round to next baht amount (I. E. 192 be = 200b). Out of taxi. Any deviation from this scenario = Thai man not happy and only throwing down what he perceives is the correct price. Taxi man maybe curses at Thai man calling him dog shit. Taxi man leaves. No police involved.
I have seen this played out quite a few times, but Thai people have less problems in taxis as they communicate better (obviously) than most farang. And therefore less misunderstandings.
Thai people don't put up with any crap from Thai taxi drivers. Why is the farang to act Thai and take it rectally from these guys? . Who were quite dishonest before the recent political/economic downturn.
I personally have had few problems. Speak quite a bit of Thai. And the driver understands his passenger is going to be a problem. Not worth it. So just get the next guy. But I feel bad for the next guy who continually has to be the target for these dishonest taxi guys.
I have had some very nice, pleasant guys who have done an extra job for me. And they have been rewarded in kind. There are some very good guys out there. Helpful. And really trying hard to please. Then there are the dumb fucks who can't find Soi 8/Sukhumvit. How can they be driving a taxi in BKK? . Then there are the nasty prick drivers who try to cheat every farang they get in their web.
You are right that pointing this out after the fact is not a good idea in this society. If the guy wanted 500. Went on the meter and got 300. He is already losing face in his own mind. So better to just pay the 300 and move on. This point I do understand. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]These guys are barely making enough to eat at the moment and cannot pay the rent most likely. O.K. he inflated the price on the basis that westerners can afford it, and he needs the money.
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It's not our problem that he needs the money. Pay market price for everything and nothing more or else you will be viewed as a sucker. Being nice will never get you anywhere in Thailand. Being shrewd and polite does wonders, however.
The attitude: "foreigners have more money than the poor helpless thais. They should give freely to the thai people" is the reason why thailand is so messed up.
Always hold your ground on price and never show weakness. This is what earns you respect, if any, in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
200 Baht is just over 5 dollars. I give all the taxi driver a good tip out of compassion at the moment as business is extremely tough with the decline in tourism. These guys are barely making enough to eat at the moment and cannot pay the rent most likely. O.K. he inflated the price on the basis that westerners can afford it, and he needs the money.
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I haven't been to BKK for 14 months now but just out of interest. Half way down Soi 4 is the Woraburi Hotel, things may have changed with resent events. But just try walking past the Hotel and see how many Taxis are parked outside this hotel doing it tuff, waiting for the ATM to walk out the front door onto the street.
They are only there for the tourist baht, they do not drive Thais anywhere. Infact the only time they drive anywhere is when a farang walks out of the hotel looking for a ride. Once they have completed the fare they simply go back to the end of the line outside the Hotel. My guess is they would simply up the price to counter the down turn in tourist.
Standard price of these taxis to the airport was 400 baht but maybe they have increased the price to 500 baht now. These guys can't be doing it that hard if they can afford to sit outside a Hotel all day waiting for the baht to come to them.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]It's not our problem that he needs the money. Pay market price for everything and nothing more or else you will be viewed as a sucker. Being nice will never get you anywhere in Thailand. Being shrewd and polite does wonders, however.
The attitude: "foreigners have more money than the poor helpless thais. They should give freely to the thai people" is the reason why thailand is so messed up.
Always hold your ground on price and never show weakness. This is what earns you respect, if any, in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
Just to reiterate your message on my short visits I have seen some Thais in Benzes and Jags so not all of them are poor how do you think the higher up Thais treat the hired help? I suppose not so generous. So why should we over exert ourselves in the niceness department?
[QUOTE=Amjeck]It's not our problem that he needs the money. Pay market price for everything and nothing more or else you will be viewed as a sucker. Being nice will never get you anywhere in Thailand. Being shrewd and polite does wonders, however...The attitude: "foreigners have more money than the poor helpless thais. They should give freely to the thai people" is the reason why thailand is so messed up...Always hold your ground on price and never show weakness. This is what earns you respect, if any, in Thailand.[/QUOTE]You are right, Thailand's problems are not foreigners' problems.
But I think you are wrong when you take an "us ([i]farang[/i]) versus them" attitude in your dealings with Thais.
I like to bargain and negotiate for a better price when it is appropriate, but often it is better to not push things too hard. Knowing when to settle and make the agreement is an art in itself in Thailand. I don't believe that [i]"always hold(ing) your ground on price and never show weakness"[/i] necessarily gains blanket respect in Thailand.
Personally, the only person that I feel that I have to live with is [i]me[/i] (and now it seems, my Thai GF). The respect that comes with being a good, fair person is only measured by one's self and the important people around them. Learning how to work [i]the flow[/i] in Thailand to your advantage certainly does make life easier and will gain a different type of respect (i.e., [i]jai dee[/i]).
[QUOTE=Amjeck]It's not our problem that he needs the money. Pay market price for everything and nothing more or else you will be viewed as a sucker. Being nice will never get you anywhere in Thailand. Being shrewd and polite does wonders, however.
The attitude: "foreigners have more money than the poor helpless thais. They should give freely to the thai people" is the reason why thailand is so messed up.
Always hold your ground on price and never show weakness. This is what earns you respect, if any, in Thailand.[/QUOTE]You made the point!
I totally agree with you.
I always try to be fair with the people (i.e. tipping people -taxi drivers included- if the service they gave deserved it) but it's my choice to do it.
And it' my choice IF I want to do it.
Rip-offs are completely another matter, I think.
This has nothing to do with their economic situation: if I want to gove my money to charities I am supposed to give them to "real" charities.
Frankly I found the so-called "thai-style" at least hypocritical as often behind their smiles their thoughts are very different.
Italy 1974
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I haven’t read all your taxi arguments but let me add my two cents on BKK taxis here.
Remember that I have been going to BKK since 1972 when only Tuk-Tuks or Trishaws were available. Generally speaking the majority of them are good working guys trying hard for their living having to pay police a lot of bribes for their traffic mistakes. I have witnessed that several times. I usually tip them and take care of the bribe too.
First of all it is an absolute no go item for me if they don’t want to put the meter on. I will stop them get off and walk away. I still remember the time that taxis were not equipped with taxi meters and you had to negotiate with them for every ride. I don’t like it to happen in now days. I know I am having a hard time finding a taxi that will use the meter on a raining day but I still insist. One out of ten will do and that’s the one that will get a generous tip from me for doing so. That’s the worst of them when you are in real need for a taxi most of them are asking high prices and refuse to go the meter. Most of the times I try to make friends with them and make them laugh. E.g. I tell them to drive me to Pattaya or even Chiang Mai once in the car.
Arriving at the airport I will go a flight up to the departures area walk out of the building to the left where some taxis are always present eager to get a customer to the city without waiting in line for hours. They will ask for more but I tell them to put the meter on and go via highway. Taxi ride to soi Nana area is about 180 Baht plus 65 for the toll and another 50 airport surcharge (optional in our case) totals about 300 Baht. If he is a nice guy he will get another 50 from me. Ride back to the airport is about 250 and they are happy if they get 300 from me.
Most of the times, every where in the world, I prefer to use passing by taxis than the ones waiting outside of a night club. I feel safer that way and avoid paying their high asking prices. e.g. Patpong area at night.
I had a few unpleasant incidents in the past though. Once I took a taxi from china town and told him to take me to Sogo shopping mall. He pretended not knowing it. I then told him ZEN and World Trade Center. Still was pretending of not knowing where they were and kept going on heavy traffic to nowhere. Eventually he stopped in a red traffic light. I opened the door and walked away against the traffic. If a taxi driver does not know where Sogo (now closed) or ZEN is he better change his job
In another occasion I had to go far away into the city to a factory. I had the address written in Thai and I asked the driver if he knew the area and could take me there. He said yes and off we went. Finally he got lost, could not find the place and wanted to drop me and get paid. I refused to pay him and get out of the car telling him to ask someone for help and directions. He got angry and started to threaten me. I stayed firm and he eventually took a long screw driver threatening to stub me. I still remained firm looked him in the eyes and told him to either stub me or drive me to a police station. He finally gave up asked a couple of other taxi drivers and finally drove me to the factory. That was the worst experience I ever had with a taxi driver.
From the airport to Pattaya 1000-1100 Baht will get you there. From Pattaya to airport asking price is 800 Baht mostly by private cars. Add another 200 for Bangkong city.
You can also use their bus service both from the airport and the Ekamai or Mo Chit bus stations. I have posted about it in the past.
PS BKK=Bangkok. Although is meant to be for the airport I use it for convenience.
[QUOTE=El Greco]
Most of the times, every where in the world, I prefer to use passing by taxis than the ones waiting outside of a night club.
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This is the golden rule when using taxis.
This was a night that the go-go’s and beer-bars were closed during November.
Since all the go-go’s were closed, I found myself walking around Sukhumvit when I passed by two cute women. We smiled and said hello.-but kept walking past each other.
A few moments later we met again and this time (being old friends now. LOL) stopped to talk. One was 24 y/o with a pretty face and OK body, the other was 27 y/o with an OK face and really nice body. Their English was only so-so.
They were dressed nicely and told me they had the day off work (factory jobs) and came to Sukhumvit to shop (and indeed they both were carrying bags with new shoes in them)
They then tell me they want to drink and take me to the beer-garden. We order drinks; then without asking me they order food, and then more drinks, and then more food, etc. This went on for about 4 + hours!
During this time it was obvious the 24 y/o had a bit more interest in me; but they both seemed interested and eventually the 24 y/o asked me which one I wanted. (And no—they wouldn’t go together)
Well, at this point, I really couldn’t decide. The 24 y/o had a cuter face; but the 27 y/o had a smoking body. Plus the 24 y/o kept getting phone calls like every 15 minutes. She denied it was a boyfriend and said it was just a girlfriend.
After a while, I could see the 24 y/o losing interest so when she went to the toilet (I. E. Go talk on the phone) I took her seat next to the 27 y/o and began feeling her up. So at this point I guess I was decided on taking the 27 y/o.
Suddenly the 24 y/o calls her boyfriend to come over (the boyfriend she claimed didn’t exist! ) and shortly her farang boyfriend shows up.
A few minutes later, the bar closes and the waitress hands me the 800B bill to pay.
The 27 y/o then tells me that the 24 y/o is going to go with her boyfriend and that SHE is going home to sleep! WTF? !
Being the "genius" that I am; it starts to dawn on me that these girls were just playing me for food and drink and maybe did not ever intend to go with me? And I told this to the 27 y/o.
I guess maybe she felt guilty or something and said OK she would go with me. The two girls then huddled together and had a long heated discussion (they wouldn’t let the other farang or I hear what they were saying)
Outside, I told the 27 y/o that I did not think she should go with me since I did not think she really wanted to; but she assured me she did. We then start walking to my hotel when I decided; giving what transpired this evening, to pin down price, service, and time before getting to the room.
But it turned out she did not like this. She did not want to discuss money or commit to anything else. I mentioned 1500 B and she said no way; but would not give me a price.
So there we were, very late at night, just standing there, stalemated on Sukhumvit Road.
Well, to make a long story short, we never went to my hotel; she wound up giving me her phone number and taking a taxi home. Of course the number turned out to be phony.
So my question to you guys is this:
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
Your thoughts please.
Thanks
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I've been living in BKK for a year and taxis, while mostly good, can be a pain in the ass at times. Most of them are morons. Just accept this. Don't bother using a map because most of them can't read English, and a few of them can't even read Thai, which makes written directions in their native language useless.
The worst taxis are to be found in the Lumpini Park area and Patpong, and at the entrance to soi cowboy. It takes about 10 tries before someone will finally switch on the meter. I remember we got into one taxi, the guy switched on the meter, he looked at us, saw that we were farang, and tried to convince us that the meter was broken so he had to charge a flat rate. The best thing to do is to cross the street and get a passerby taxi. Do not take any taxi that is parked, under any circumstances.
If you take a taxi from Sukhumvit at night, likewise it takes a few tries if you want to travel away from Sukhumvit. Most of these lazy bastards just want to drive up and down Sukhumvit, picking up tourists. Also, I purposely don't take taxis who will stop in front of me without me waving them down. I really get tired of it when I'm walking down the road and every one of the fuckers who pass stops in front of me asking if I need a ride so that he can overcharge me.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2] If the guy wanted 500....went on the meter and got 300...he is already losing face in his own mind....so better to just pay the 300 and move on.....this point I do understand.[/QUOTE]
I agree: he (the taxi driver) definetely knew you knew the guy (the client) was right. Period.
On the other hand it is really tiring and depressing to keep on having to be always on alert against taxi rip-offs.
Happens nearly everywhere in the world. really boring and their rip off is sometime cheap (but big for them).
Happened to me many times. Hate it! sometime is inevitable.
back in the '80's have been stuck in an industrial area in Ryadh after business hours aqs I rejected the silly quotes from the taxi's to go back to the thotel.
Ended up in asking 3 lifts to private cars and said to myself: f*** next time I pay what they want!
But still....
Nevertheless there is little action from local authorities to protect the foreigners (the targets) other than forcing stickers to be in the cars saying "ask for the meter to be activated"
Big deal! Soul has been washed and cleaned.
My way my style and that's up to you!
When it comes to Taxi's, and if we continue on this topic there might be a new thread " Taxi's " Don't even think about it Jackson! by the way Happy New year!
When it comes to taxi's I have learn to just go with the flow! As for getting a taxi on the departure level it is becoming harder and harder since they have barriers now all the way to the end. But don't be afraid since they have rewamp the taxi area from the lower level to the same level as the arrival area it has become a lot easilier in my opinion. I have never waited more than 5 minutes to get into a taxi.
Of course how much luggage or how much of a bind is going to determine how much you are going to pay. As El Greco, noted in his good report if you're standing in the rain and getting soaked and you want to get out of the rain and can't wait to get to your destination you might have to paid the higher price. It's not going to take much for anyone with or without a education to see (A) Farang (B) raining or lots of luggage (C) equals a sucker!
I remember just last year I was shipping my mountain bike in a large box and also had another piece of luggage weighing 70 lbs. My thinking was I'm f--ked when I get to Bangkok Airport. How much was I going to pay to get everything to Nana Hotel since majority of the taxi's are those Toyota Vios? I got in line and when it was my turn they guy looked at me and said " how about 400 baht? No problem! The price was a little bit more but I certainly wasn't in a position to complain. Because I made the decision to take the bike over to Thailand and knew it was going to be somewhat of a problem I had to take the mindset that I had to be reflexible otherwise the problem will just grow.
In the end, regardless whether you are on vacation or live in Thailand, when it comes to taxi they are dime a dozen. If they won't turn on the meter, don't get angry just get out and get another. If they quote you a price that is unreasonable don't get angry just get out and get another. If the taxi driver takes a alternative route to make a few extra baht... I let him because it just stupid since it uses more fuel and in those situations I don't TIP! So he or she just beat themselves. If I have lots of luggage and it's raining and the first taxi that comes along and say's " meter broken " and quote me 450 baht from the airport to Nana I get in because I'm not going to allow a extra 150 baht to delay or ruin my day from getting some good pussy! When I get there no tip no conversation.
Don't allow a few extra baht to ruin your groove or trip. When in Bangkok, I use the transit or motorbike taxi. Why paid a taxi driver to see in traffic if you don't have too!
LBM
I had the taxi driver turn on the meter going from NP to the airport. The meter said something like 300, but he asked for 500 in a way that made it seem like there was some kind of 500 minimum. It is hard to get worked up what amounts to 4 pounds difference--means almost nothing to me but a lot to him. I didn't see the benefit in arguing, especially since I would have tipped him at least another 100 on top of the 300.
Having said that, the bills do add up. I tended to do Nataree or Angel massage at 2500 baht in the afternoon, and then some more girls at night, another 2000 or 4000 baht. Are prices coming down with the recent troubles? I'm returning mid Fed for more fun, wondering if maybe it will be a little less pricey.
Flew into BKK after midnight from Chiangmai but still wanted a girl (or two) to make up for lost time.
Went to Suzi Wong as a very relaible place to get a girl very late.
Took Miss B (a regular) and decided to take Miss T for a try out too.
Meanwhile the serving girl Miss Y was having her birthday so the staff were intending to party on at a Petchburi club or bar. Miss Y was drunk but still didn't want to try my DATY technique.
However the mamasan Miss A was very drunk and said she wanted to go with me as well to make a foursome.
I jokingly said that she should get her gear off first, so I can see properly.
She then let me touch her tits (silicone job) and lifted her dress and pulled down the panties.
Was a little bit dark to get a full view but was still very strange to see a mamasan showing off her bare bum and pussy.
I did buy her a couple of drinks but she wasn't really my spec.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]
... A few moments later we met again and this time (being old friends now. LOL) stopped to talk. One was 24 y/o with a pretty face and OK body, the other was 27 y/o with an OK face and really nice body. Their English was only so-so.
A few minutes later, the bar closes and the waitress hands me the 800B bill to pay.
The 27 y/o then tells me that the 24 y/o is going to go with her boyfriend and that SHE is going home to sleep! WTF? !
... She did not want to discuss money or commit to anything else. I mentioned 1500 B and she said no way; but would not give me a price.
So there we were, very late at night, just standing there, stalemated on Sukhumvit Road.
Well, to make a long story short, we never went to my hotel; she wound up giving me her phone number and taking a taxi home. Of course the number turned out to be phony.
So my question to you guys is this:
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
Your thoughts please.[/QUOTE]
Monopoly you got "duopolied".
Recently the girls have been desperate for food and i have seen this although never been victim.
In the BG there are only no mamasans only the bar staff, who can help you. If you think you are being ripped then pay your tab and give them a tip making it clear that is it.
Several years ago, I gave one of the barstaff at BG a tip of 200THB - long story. This has stood me in good stead - last year i arrived very jetlagged, moderately drunk and very tired. The bar tender pulled me aside to tell me i was chatting socially with a ladyboy (i knew) who was setting me up for a scam where i would get my phone and camera stolen (both well concealed) by another LB. Ended up with the 2 LBs bailed up by security and me getting out with my hide.
In this case, it cost you about $25. The danger deal here was they would not do double. It was divide, conquer and eat from there on in. You my POV.
I was once told that bottom line for a Chinese girl is shopping, Thai girl is eating and cash works for both.
Thank you for sharing.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]....and said OK she would go with me. The two girls then huddled together and had a long heated discussion (they wouldn’t let the other farang or I hear what they were saying)
Outside, I told the 27 y/o that I did not think she should go with me since I did not think she really wanted to; but she assured me she did. We then start walking to my hotel when I decided; giving what transpired this evening, to pin down price, service, and time before getting to the room.
But it turned out she did not like this. She did not want to discuss money or commit to anything else. I mentioned 1500 B and she said no way; but would not give me a price.
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I think there are many possible scenarios and pinnning it down is difficult.
The first girl might have gone with you if not for the problem BF.
The 2nd probably had no experience or little going with Farangs and did not want to name a price. Could be she comsidered herself not to be P4P.
I might have tried to persuade to go without any price mentioned. But maybe she was never really going to go anyway. Maybe she was looking for higher price. Who knows.
Sometimes girls change their minds. Situation normal.
In the end you got scammed like many of us.
If you went with the girl, probably she would claim it hurts straight away and you wouldn't get good sex anyway.
Taking a casual girl (not fully P4P) is always a massive punt.
But most are very poor performers unless they really like you.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
Your thoughts please.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Dude, you got owned! sorry.
No non P4P in their right mind would bring a punter in the Beergarden. Everyone knows this is a Prostitute joint (even my staff).
2nd, After the first round you should have made things clear about what it is you want. If you're stalling to make a decision, the girls are going to be very happy adn keep on drinking and eating.
3. the Boyfriend: let's make it very clear, the so called boyfriend was not a boyfriend but most probably a customer. I am sorry but, which Farang in their right mind would go and pick up their girlfriend at the Beergarden?? and not say a word when he saw the said GF seating with another Farang?
My guess is he is a bloke that took her before and wanted to see her again. Because your decision making process was slow or unclear, she did not want to potentially lose any income by turning the bloke down and you ending up not taking her.
There is no playing nice guy in LOS, if you want something, say so! then all parties are aware and can act accordingly.
The 27 year old clearly did not want to go with you in the first place. this, from what you are telling is obvious. Maybe she was just tagging along waiting for you to feed them and then take the 24 year old so she could split. Seeing as the 24 year old did not want to go with you she felt Obligated (after you pushed the issue) to agree to go with you. She was reluctant but Thais are like that, she will not say no or get into a fight with a foreigner. She just said ok and (thankfully) found her exit door on the price issue (no face lost for her and you).
I find that if you really want to have a good time in thialand, forcing the ladies will get you nowhere, or certainly not down GFE lane.
So, yes, you got owned but it ended badly because of some mistakes you made (this is my guess). The 24 year old was clearly a P4P gal.
A few years ago I was staying at Plaza Athénée in BKk and had to go out to a distributor's factory somewhere near the city in an industrial area. I wasn't sure where the place was....but the hotel staff pinned it down for me and wrote directions for a taxi on a piece of paper. I had some lunch and grabbed a taxi near Suk./Soi 11. The guy did not want to use a meter...he seemed friendly, but sincerely unsure of the location.....and he wanted to pin down the price. I thought about it for a second and decided that this might be a good idea in this case....as the guy could take me anywhere...in circles and I would be paying...as I was not familiar with the area...at all. We also agreed that he would deliver me to the door and wait for my meeting.....then take me back into the city for the same rate. I don't remember the exact amount.....but being a careful guy....I am sure it was in the "fair" range.
Well, two and a half hours later the guy cannot find the place.....I can see he is starting to panic. I told him to calm down....and that I would call the factory. The factory manager told him what side roads to use.....1 hour later...we were lost in the middle of nowhere!! Now, the taxi driver looks at me eye to eye....and starts to cry right in the taxi. He says he is lost and doesn't know where the factory is....nor does he know how to get to a highway. We recall the factory.....back and forth a few times.....finally....after another 3/4 of an hour, I am at the factory for the quick version of the meet that was planned. He waited outside.
He speaks to a few people and is now confident that he can get us back. As we get closer to BKK.....two TG's engage him in conversation....he tells them it has been a bad day and he has to get me back to Suk./Ploenchit Rd. I tell him it is OK to take the girls too.....try to get some pay for this deal!! I bought everyone a soda....some chips.......and the taxi driver was awarded a beautiful flower necklace for his taxi....I told him to save us from anymore problems. Everyone seemed very happy and there were a lot of smiles and laughing on the way back home. I got one of the girl's tel. numbers (another story....but a good time was had by all!!).......and he dropped the girls off....then me at my hotel. I paid him what I owed him and a small tip as we had a lot of fun. The guy seemd very happy....laughing....giving me his card......saying he doesn't want to go on a 5 hour tour next time....but some local work would be nice.
The guy looked like someone who there would have been a big problem with (i.e....."get out of my taxi and find your own way").......he had the look of the BKK criminal taxi force.....but was not...or at least this trip seemed to find a special place in his heart......and mine! At one point I thought I was going to blow steam out of my head.....but I calmed myself for my own health and not "Thai style" reasons.
Whenever I have some small issues with a BKK taxi man....I think of this guy and for some reason smile and try to calm myself.....and some guys are hard to calm down from....like the guy who takes me from the Su wanna swamp departures level...on meter......and juices the meter with a switch under the dashboard.....that one almost ended ugly......but we arrived at some amount with the police on the way....and the pain ended.
Well...there was a long story...WTF!!
....oh...and Monopoly...you got pwned!!...it's OK...it happens to everyone......800 b in Thailand, 500 E on the Euro version....no worries!!
[QUOTE=Monopoly]Your thoughts please.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry to be the calous one here, but I think you got taken advantage off by yourself and not necessarily the girls.
I mean (by your writing) you meet a pair of potentially non-pros on the street who want to get a drink with you (they take you to BG, which puts them in the FL category potentially, but did you agree to take them or did they drag you kicking and screaming? ) then it took you 4 hours to either close a deal or get wise while they ordered more food. I once (early in my monger career) followed a tout to a sham KTV in shanghai and knowingly got what I deserved. That was a scam and I can't complain as I thought I could beat the system; Similarly your case just reads as if you willingly let them order food and drink without discussing business. I mean what does one talk about with two strangers of all places at BG with two thai girls with so-so english?
All in all the bill was not bad (I mean sham wise, if you want to call it that), they just had a meal that you implicitly agreed to buy them. Like buying any lady drink in a bar. Doesn't guarantee you action, and your education cost a lot less than those so called gentlemens clubs and you enjoyed the company of at least one very hot looking girl for 4 hours. Sounds like you just have rejection remorse from a potential freebie threesome which you thought you had coming. IMHO
Never had much of a problem with taxis in BKK (had more problems in DXB), especially since I read one of the members here say he pays the tolls from his pocket and gets back the change from the driver, rather than later having the driver claim 'x' amount of money from a newbie. Once from the hotel to the airport I had the bell boy call me a cab, this was one sitting outside the hotel, I didn't realize it would be an off-duty cab with no meter. Once my bags were in the back and we were on our way I realized that the meter was off, and the guy wanted 500 for the ride. Then I noticed that the cab license picture was not even the same guy, got me worried, but I didn't want to get out in the middle of the streets with my bags, further the dilemma was even if he stops the cab, he could make away with my bag, my backpack I always keep with me and it has the important stuff, but I made the decesion to stick with it as long as we were headed in the right direction. Eventually talked him down to 300 and no toll road (I know I probably paid more than I should have) but got to the airport in plenty of time safe and sound. Chalked it up to lesson learned. Now no meter, no me and always get the toll reciept or pay cash myself.
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[QUOTE=BuleDaddy] Under no circumstances should you pay an un-metered fare without haggling. TOPS, maybe 250 bht from MoChit to KaoSan or Nana. I will tip generously if this guy is in backed up traffic[/QUOTE]
Normal fare on a meter would be about 100 THB.
[QUOTE=El Greco]
Remember that I have been going to BKK since 1972 when only Tuk-Tuks or Trishaws were available.
If a taxi driver does not know where Sogo (now closed) or ZEN is he better change his job
[/QUOTE]
You made some good points about taxis in BKK
However, taxis were readily available in BKK in 1972. Toyota Corollas mostly and you had to bargain and establish a price before getting in the car. Bicycle samlars were on their way out, but could still be found in some parts of town for local transportation only. Now replaced by motorcycle taxis.
In 1972 tuk-tuks were mostly modified motorcycles mated with the back of a samlar.
If one wanted to go to Sogo's or Zen at the World Trade center all one would have to say was see yak Erawan. Which is the four way intersection at the Erawan Shrine. A poor taxi driver who picks rice in Korat and drives a taxi in BKK during the dry season wouldn't have a clue about Sogo's or Zen.
[QUOTE=Beagleface]I had the taxi driver turn on the meter going from NP to the airport. The meter said something like 300, but he asked for 500 in a way that made it seem like there was some kind of 500 minimum. It is hard to get worked up what amounts to 4 pounds difference--means almost nothing to me but a lot to him. I didn't see the benefit in arguing, especially since I would have tipped him at least another 100 on top of the 300.
Having said that, the bills do add up. I tended to do Nataree or Angel massage at 2500 baht in the afternoon, and then some more girls at night, another 2000 or 4000 baht. Are prices coming down with the recent troubles? I'm returning mid Fed for more fun, wondering if maybe it will be a little less pricey.[/QUOTE]
It's more pricey every time you return because dumbs*^t tourists don't know any better and overpay for everything.
I figure what the Thai's pay and add about 10% Farang tax.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
[/QUOTE]
You had a "learning experience" and it only cost 800 THB. Next time you will know better.
My Thai wife told me about a taxi scam where travel agencies will advertise a really low price to take tourists to an out of the way tourist trap, e.g., Tiger Temple, Elephant farm, etc. Once you arrive they want ten times the amount to bring you back to the city. You are stuck in the middle of nowhere and don't speak Thai. What do you do?
Lol
Thats kind of like the camels at the Pyramids. The owners tell all the tourists "sit on camel free, take picture free". And when the mugs are sat on the camel and 2 metres in the air they get told "now you pay to come down. Up free, to come down you pay".
[QUOTE=Retired Army]My Thai wife told me about a taxi scam where travel agencies will advertise a really low price to take tourists to an out of the way tourist trap, e.g., Tiger Temple, Elephant farm, etc. Once you arrive they want ten times the amount to bring you back to the city. You are stuck in the middle of nowhere and don't speak Thai. What do you do?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Retired Army]It's more pricey every time you return because dumbs*^t tourists don't know any better and overpay for everything.
I figure what the Thai's pay and add about 10% Farang tax.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Guys, do NOT fall for the taxi scams! Don't be afraid to argue with these scum. If you just accept the flat rate, then it drives up the taxi fares. It's the principle - never tip them unless they go beyond the call of service. I never tip the taxi driver - especially when I take one from one of the tourist areas. I always carry about 15 baht in 1 baht coins around with me. If I give him a large bill and he refuses to change it, then out come the 1 baht coins and I pay the exact amount, rather than rounding up to the nearest 5 or 10 baht.
[QUOTE=Monopoly]
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
Your thoughts please.
Thanks
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Monopoly,
Sounds like either of the two girls would have gone with you if you had made it clear early which one you were interested in. It's okay to take your time, but as you obviously witnessed, taking your time also means giving another guy a chance to make a bid. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. As for the 27 yr old, I bet she would have been happy to go with you if you had offered more, but negotiated for a longer stay, better service, msog or something else. Lowest price shouldn't be the only defining point of your negotiations. At least the cost of this lesson was just the price of a meal and a few hours of your time.
Cheers,
F2
[QUOTE=Retired Army]It's more pricey every time you return because dumbs*^t tourists don't know any better and overpay for everything.
I figure what the Thai's pay and add about 10% Farang tax.[/QUOTE]Add ons in taxis to/from airports are common throughout the world. Car rentals from airports (as opposed to a downtown location) almost always have an additional tax or two. I think in paris there's fees for putting luggage in the trunk, fees for departing even from railway stations (not sure about that one). But definitely from airports. If I remember, in vegas the fare starts at something like $3. 00 if you start from airport. So when the guy said 500, I just assumed it was the minimum. RA you sound like a bigger curmedgeon even than me. I told every cab driver to turn on the meter. They wanted 100 baht to go from soi cowboy to NP, I said turn on the meter, it was 40 baht or so, I gave the guy 60.
One thing I didn't like on the tipping front was at Annie's (which I do NOT recommend--girls are butt ugly). I gave girl 300 tip and she begged me in an unpleasant way for more, more, more. 500 at least she said. She wasn't even that good, kind of surly. Almost ruined my day.
[QUOTE=Beagleface]One thing I didn't like on the tipping front was at Annie's (which I do NOT recommend--girls are butt ugly). I gave girl 300 tip and she begged me in an unpleasant way for more, more, more. 500 at least she said. She wasn't even that good, kind of surly. [b]Almost ruined my day[/b].[/QUOTE]
Wow, you really don't need much do you? LOL
don't take things too seriously, just smile, refuse and leave, you can't blame the girl for trying.
[QUOTE=Beagleface]
RA you sound like a bigger curmedgeon even than me.
[/QUOTE]
I probably am.
However, when it comes to people trying to take advantage of me I can be quite an A-hole.
[QUOTE=Mangofan] If you just accept the flat rate, then it drives up the taxi fares. It's the principle - never tip them unless they go beyond the call of service. [/QUOTE]
There is no need to accept a flat rate taxi fare traveling inside of bkk, unless you want to. There are plenty of moving taxis who will turn on the meter. Just be patient.
No need to tip them either, but rounding up to the nearest 5 baht is no big deal. Thais do this.
Hi guys,
Last time i was in BKK i noticed a exclusive looking (monger oriented club) at the start of Soi 51, i drove by it didn't catch the name, white building a bouncer and two greeters standing outside... anyone know of this one?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wow, you really don't need much do you? LOL.
Don't take things too seriously, just smile, refuse and leave, you can't blame the girl for trying.[/QUOTE]I'm embarrassed by my weakness! I guess it depends on who is 'begging' for more. At fkk club a cuban girl (my only cuban ever) with great tits told me she was expecting a tip of 50 euro (on top of the 50 I'd just given her). But tips in fkk clubs are pretty strictly verboten--you pay for exactly what you get (50 straight screw, 100 CIM, 150 anal). So I was actually a bit angry at that girl for even asking for a tip.
But the thai girls, it is different--they are so poor and the extra 200 baht is hard to get excited about. What I really didn't like was her insistence--she just kept at it, wore me down. What can I say? Sucker farang.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]There is no need to accept a flat rate taxi fare traveling inside of bkk, unless you want to. There are plenty of moving taxis who will turn on the meter. Just be patient.
No need to tip them either, but rounding up to the nearest 5 baht is no big deal. Thais do this.[/QUOTE]
It's actually illegal for a taxi driver not to turn on the meter in BKK. But so are elephants on the streets and you see how well that law is enforced.
If you accept a flat rate you are going to pay more. Most people who do so are usually staying in five star hotels and don't know any better. A taxi will sit in front of the Four Seasons all day for one 500 baht fare instead of ten 50 baht fares.
[QUOTE=Beagleface]....
One thing I didn't like on the tipping front was at Annie's (which I do NOT recommend--girls are butt ugly). I gave girl 300 tip and she begged me in an unpleasant way for more, more, more. 500 at least she said. She wasn't even that good, kind of surly. Almost ruined my day.[/QUOTE]
Don't go to Annies, because the girl being "butt ugly" is not giving you permission to under pay.
If you gave 300 then she would make a total of 800 which is considered well below the going rate for a sex session.
Uf she didn't perform hardly at all that's different. But 500 is really the minimum tip IMHO.
Annies has two problems for me. Too much money goes to the management and because of that, the girls are not so pretty.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Normal fare on a meter would be about 100 THB.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but when you and the pooying are all shopped out, hot, dying for some beer & laden w/packages and you want to get home real fast I can only haggle a little bit. That is why you need to leave Chatachuk several hrs before dark becuse they won't budge when the place is shutting down. They know some dolt will pay 250 and I get them to stop off at a variety of food stalls on the way back to the hotel for a post JJ feast. It must be nice to live there, RA!
Most of us have a taxi story, be it good or bad.
This is mine, and it was good.
A few years ago, I decided to bring back a small puppy to the USA from Indonesia. I flew business class from Indonesia to BKK, no problem at customs, and my plan was to smuggle the little thing into my room at my hotel in BKK, while I overnighter, and catch the morning TG flight to LAX via KIX. In those days, and maybe still now, you could fly with an animal in the cabin on all star alliance flights.
I landed at Don Muang, walked up to arrivals as usual, and hopped into a waiting taxi, giving the driver my hotel name. In absolute perfect English, he asked me if I thought I was going to be able to bring the dog in with me. I told him I hoped so. We chatted the whole way into town, turns out he had worked in the USA for 3 years, as a cabbie several years back.
We arrive at the hotel, I ask him to keep the puppy in the cab while I check in. well, the guy who pulled my luggage out saw the dog in the back seat, and I was informed that my plan was absolutely not going to take place. What to do? My cabbie suggested a couple of lower end hotels, alas, same response. He then told me of a 24 hour veterinarian who also boarded dogs, so off we go. We drop the puppy off, I tell them I will be back at 7.00 am to pick her up, and we go back to my original hotel. By now, the fare is showing around 600 Bt. I give the guy 1,000, and ask him if he can pick me up in the morning.
At 6.30 the next morning, he is downstairs. We drive off to the 24 hour vet shop………only to find they are closed. He calls all the numbers on the business card we were given, nothing. My flight leaves in 90 minutes. We go to the airport, where I rebook my flight for 2 days later, and then he takes me back to the vet, which is now open, and he gives them a piece of his mind. He then offers to keep the puppy ay his house for 2 days, free of charge, and pick me up at my hotel again in 2 days.
I have a ball in BKK for 48 hours, and as scheduled, 2 mornings later, he is in front of my hotel, with my puppy, we make it to the airport, we fly to LAX, and the dog is a great member of the family.
When he dropped me off at the airport, I handed him a crisp 100 USD bill, gave him a hug, and thanked him several times over.
Not a very sexy story, I am afraid, but I remember it like it was yesterday, whereas the girls I fucked during my 48 hour stay……I don’t remember them.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Most of us have a taxi story, be it good or bad.
This is mine, and it was good.
A few years ago, I decided to bring back a small puppy to the USA from Indonesia. I flew business class from Indonesia to BKK, no problem at customs, and my plan was to smuggle the little thing into my room at my hotel in BKK, while I overnighter, and catch the morning TG flight to LAX via KIX. In those days, and maybe still now, you could fly with an animal in the cabin on all star alliance flights.
I landed at Don Muang, walked up to arrivals as usual, and hopped into a waiting taxi, giving the driver my hotel name. In absolute perfect English, he asked me if I thought I was going to be able to bring the dog in with me. I told him I hoped so. We chatted the whole way into town, turns out he had worked in the USA for 3 years, as a cabbie several years back.
We arrive at the hotel, I ask him to keep the puppy in the cab while I check in. well, the guy who pulled my luggage out saw the dog in the back seat, and I was informed that my plan was absolutely not going to take place. What to do? My cabbie suggested a couple of lower end hotels, alas, same response. He then told me of a 24 hour veterinarian who also boarded dogs, so off we go. We drop the puppy off, I tell them I will be back at 7.00 am to pick her up, and we go back to my original hotel. By now, the fare is showing around 600 Bt. I give the guy 1,000, and ask him if he can pick me up in the morning.
At 6.30 the next morning, he is downstairs. We drive off to the 24 hour vet shop………only to find they are closed. He calls all the numbers on the business card we were given, nothing. My flight leaves in 90 minutes. We go to the airport, where I rebook my flight for 2 days later, and then he takes me back to the vet, which is now open, and he gives them a piece of his mind. He then offers to keep the puppy ay his house for 2 days, free of charge, and pick me up at my hotel again in 2 days.
I have a ball in BKK for 48 hours, and as scheduled, 2 mornings later, he is in front of my hotel, with my puppy, we make it to the airport, we fly to LAX, and the dog is a great member of the family.
When he dropped me off at the airport, I handed him a crisp 100 USD bill, gave him a hug, and thanked him several times over.
Not a very sexy story, I am afraid, but I remember it like it was yesterday, whereas the girls I fucked during my 48 hour stay……I don’t remember them.[/QUOTE]
By any chance do you have the taxi guy's contact info?......if so PM me...I have some work for him....seems like a good hearted guy..........
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Don't go to Annies, because the girl being "butt ugly" is not giving you permission to under pay.
If you gave 300 then she would make a total of 800 which is considered well below the going rate for a sex session.
Uf she didn't perform hardly at all that's different. But 500 is really the minimum tip IMHO.
Annies has two problems for me. Too much money goes to the management and because of that, the girls are not so pretty.[/QUOTE]
I seldom go to soapy or oily massage parlors because there are usually much less expensive alternatives available offering the same quality of service.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that an Annie’s girl receives only 500 baht from the 1700 paid to management for a session, which means that the shop gets 1200 – substantially more than twice as much as the girl. You believe that the minimum tip should therefore be 500 baht, (roughly 30% of the charges) in order for the girl to make 1000 baht. But why should the customer compensate the girl for the shop’s greedy and unfair pay scale arrangement?
Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum. I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.
I know that you favor more expensive parlors that charge 2500 and up for a 90 minute session. What do you believe should be the minimum tip at those places, and how much does the shop keep? A 500 baht tip would bring the total cost for the session to 3000 baht, which seems excessive for short time sex unless the girl is a superstar providing outstanding looks and multiple PSE pops. For that kind of money I can get 3 ST sessions with great looking girls.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]If I understand you correctly, you are saying that an Annie’s girl receives only 500 baht from the 1700 paid to management for a session, which means that the shop gets 1200 – substantially more than twice as much as the girl. You believe that the minimum tip should therefore be 500 baht, (roughly 30% of the charges) in order for the girl to make 1000 baht. But why should the customer compensate the girl for the shop’s greedy and unfair pay scale arrangement? [/quote]
That is hearsay. how can we be so sure about what the girls make @ Annies? I know the prices were raised from 1500 to 1700 and that the extra 200 went directly into the girls pocket.
[quote]Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum.[/quote]
Annies minimum is 2 shots: 1 in the tub + 1 on the bed
[quote]I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.[/quote]
Let's see... in the Sukh Area:
[b]SOAPIES[/b]
Annies 1,700thb, 120mn, 2 shots
Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots
[b]OILIES[/b]
Any place 2,300thb, 120mn, 1 shot
(800 for 2 hours before you even talk about extras, FS is 1500 on top of that)
[b]FREELANCER[/b]
BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)
[b]GO GO BAR[/b]
Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms, 500 ST Hotel + 1500 ST rate)
I did not include tipping because Tipping is up to the punter.
All taken into consideration, Annies is still the punter's cheapest alternative in Sukhumvit.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Let's see... in the Sukh Area:
[b]SOAPIES[/b]
Annies 1,700thb, 120mn, 2 shots
Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots
[b]OILIES[/b]
Any place 2,300thb, 120mn, 1 shot
(800 for 2 hours before you even talk about extras, FS is 1500 on top of that)
[b]FREELANCER[/b]
BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)
[b]GO GO BAR[/b]
Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms, 500 ST Hotel + 1500 ST rate)
I did not include tipping because Tipping is up to the punter.
All taken into consideration, Annies is still the punter's cheapest alternative in Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]How can you not include tipping when you include it (the fee the tip) with the others. ROFL and then you include hotels. ROFL. Most punters have a hotel already FFS.
Lets do it again, more fairly:
Let's see. In the Sukh Area:
[b]SOAPIES[/b]
Annies 1,700thb + 500thb + 140thb drinks, 120mn, 2 shots = 2340
Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots = 2500
[b]SPECIALS[/b]
[b]OILIES[/b]
Any place 60mn, 1 shot = 2100
(600 for 1 hour FS is 1500 on top of that)
[b]FREELANCER[/b]
BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 or 2 shot
(1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms) = 1180 thb
[b]GO GO BAR[/b]
Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 120 to 180mn, 1 or 2 shot
(500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms + 1500 ST rate) 2330 thb
[QUOTE=Daddy07]
Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum. I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.
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I can't disagree that its a bit expensive in the end,
but its just I would have to have some sympathy for the girl after receiving a really good service from her. I would feel I was ripping her off by giving a low tip. She has got to eat and pay the rent too. She wasn't happy with a 300 Baht tip.
The girl will quick tell all her friends that this guy is "cheap charlie".
There is never any point at all in repeating with a girl who is not happy with you! The odd customer that has ripped off a Tulip girl would never ever get any service at all again even if the girl goes to the room with him.
But in the end we don't go to Annies, so probably my opinion is not wanted.
If I found a good Annies girl, I would probably give her the opportunity to see me secretly outside so that we could avoid the heavy management fees and allow her to get a better deal. Its better for me at Oilies where fee to management and girl are kept completely seperate, or at Soapies where girl gets greater than 50%, but Annies does not to do this.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
Let's see... in the Sukh Area:
[b]FREELANCER[/b]
BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)
[/QUOTE]
Why does a 1 shot FREELANCER, presumably requiring maximum 1 condom, need 80bt spent on condoms? Do you use gold plated ones?
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]
It must be nice to live there, RA!
[/QUOTE]
To be honest with you, I've spent too much time in Thailand and I'm happiest when sitting on a plane and BKK is behind me.
I Just hate leaving the little lady behind and that's why I always come back.
[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Why does a 1 shot FREELANCER, presumably requiring maximum 1 condom, need 80bt spent on condoms? Do you use gold plated ones?[/QUOTE]
80thb is the price for a Pack of 3 (assuming you aren't buying the Thai crap @ 30thb). When I do ST, I usually go through 2 to 3 condoms. I like to alternate between FS, BBBJ, FS, BBBJ and then FS again.
If you want to nitpick about condom prices, fine, then you can spend 30thb and get the 49mm Thai condoms. Sorry, I was off by 50thb, I hope the cheap charlies out there will forgive me that mistake. ;)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy] Sorry, I was off by 50thb, I hope the cheap charlies out there will forgive me that mistake. ;)[/QUOTE]
50 lashes and bamboo under the finger nails for you, Frenchy ;)
By the same token, why include a 500 Bt ST room in your calculations?
a FL should therefore be 1,000 plus a drink, plus a box of condoms.
Still the most value, if you happened to pick a good one, and of course, there are no guarantees there, unless you have availed yourself of her services in the past, and call her over to your hotel, in which case, you have a winner.
Sorry LB2, no contact for the cabbie, it was about 5 years ago.
[QUOTE=1Ball]By the same token, why include a 500 Bt ST room in your calculations?[/quote]
I live in this town so bringing a FL to my spacious and expensive condo is out of question. ST hotel is the best and Luxury Hotel Soi 19 has very clean rooms for this price.
I forgot to also factor in the cost of taxi (~100thb) if you take her to your hotel.
Keep in mind that FLs are a ST, one shot, 60 to 90 mn experience while Annies is 2 shots, a nice Bath, Massage and a Fuck, all in 120mn.
2 shots from a FL will cost you 1,500
when a newbie arrives in thailand, he almost always has this stupid look, smiling in anticipation towards all the pussy available. but how does it all work?
it has been said that even the hunchback of notre dame could get laid here (maybe he did) for a few baht so is it that easy? the short answer is yes, it is.
however, doing your homework can really enhance your overall experience as you will know beforehand which places you would like to experience.
(i will also later insert names of places and girls i recommend)
[b]massage parlors :traditional thai massage [/b]
pricing
1 hour = 200 thb
2 hours = 400 thb
basically all the massage places in thailand will offer this type of massage.
you do not get a private room for this type of massage, just a common room with mattresses on the floor separated by curtains.
this is my favorite massage, the technique will amaze you!! they make every bones and joints in your body crack!
you need to wear a pajamas for this massage, they will provide one for you.
unless you go to a hotel’s spa, at the end of the thai massage, 99% of the time the masseuse will ask you if you want the “special massage”
special massage in a thai massage place consists of a hj (hand job) and if you’re lucky a cbj (covered blow job).
hj special is thb 500 and cbj is thb 1,000.
the girl will stay clothed during the whole session
[b]massage parlors : herbal oil massage [/b]
pricing for oil massage:
1 hour = 400 thb
1.5 hours = 600 thb
2 hours = 800 thb
pricing for lotion massage:
1 hour = 600 thb
1.5 hours = 800 thb
2 hours = 1000 thb
this is the carbon copy of what you call a swedish massage.
except for the 5 star places, they will all use baby oil (which smells and is difficult to wash in the shower). lotion massage is an odorless body lotion that is very easy to clean and disappears in the shower once the massage is over.
almost 100% of the oil massage providers will offer you “special massage”
in about 75% of the massage places, farangs will go there for the “extras” (or special massage if you prefer). this is a little different than the traditional thai massage places.
for traditional thai massage, the providers are usually a little “older” and you do not get to chose them.
in the case of oil massage, you are the one to chose your masseuse.
you can chose your girl “live” by going to the room where they all sit, or order from a catalogue where you see all the girls pictures.
the catalogue is for japanese people, most of them would never walk in the room and face 20 girls (that’s 40 pairs of eyes staring at you)… they prefer to be discrete and look at the catalogue. the reason why looking at the catalogue is a bad idea is that all the girl’s pictures are heavily photoshoped. best is to face them and see which ones you get vibes from (while some will smile and wave in your direction, others won’t even look at you).
once you choose your girl, you can order the time you want.
99% of the oil places will offer you a private room with in room shower
for this massage type, you need to take a shower in the room prior and after the massage.
usually, the girl comes in the shower with you and she washes you thoroughly (yes, she cleans you everywhere!) and then showers herself also.
onto the bed she proceeds to massage you using the oil, and for this massage, you are completely naked. after about 45 minutes of massage, she will ask if you want “special massage”.
now this is different from traditional thai massage, because you are in a private and closed room, the extras offered will be as follows :
hj special is thb 500
cbj or bbbj is thb 1,000
fs is thb 1,500
(usually when you order fs, she will give you a bj to start)
once you “come”, the session is over and back to the shower where she washes you again.
[b]massage parlors : body soapy massage[/b]
now this is a very different scheme as the 2 massage types outlined above. while most massage places that offer thai massage will offer you oil massage, the ones that offer soapy only deal with soapy.
pricing:
pricing is a little complicated as every place has its own. some places only cater to thais, some only to japanese and some only to farangs (non asians). though, most places will accept foreigners but apply a fee (called farang surcharge) which can go from thb 500 to 1,500 above the thai price.
cheapest you can find is thb 1,800 for 1.5 hours and could go up to thb 6,500 (for “models” or freelancers).
soapy massage (also called mp by the local farangs) has a very easy modus operandi….
just walk into the mp and wait for the papasan to approach you… you have 2 options :
a) look at the fishbowl first
the fishbowl is called a fishbowl because the room where the girls sit is all glass so you can see them from everywhere…. pretty much like an aquarium.
in some places, the girls cannot see you and in other places, it’s just a glass and they can see who comes in and out.
b) all the ladies have a number that they keep until they quit working for the place… so if you like a certain lady, remember her number and ask the papasan next time you visit and she will have the same number. better, book in advance to make sure she is working that day, and/or not busy with another customer.
some places have 2 or even 3 different fishbowl, which means that the prices are different per fishbowl (every girl in one fb is at the same price)
so you can have a fishbowl @ thb 1,800, another @ thb 2,200 and a third one @ thb 2,800 (the most expensive it gets, the better the girls will look)…. some places even offer you “models” that have made covers of magazines… but they are expensive and quite frankly “starfish”.
also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the fb, hanging out on a sofa…. these are freelancers, they do not work for the massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the mp if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed.
c) choose the lady (or ladies… remember, you are paying so you can have as many ladies as you want at the same time).
d) the papasan will quote you a price… (now be wary of these fuckers… some will try to scam you… basically, anything on top of the regular price goes right into his pocket). also, he will “recommend” you ladies… (“take #45, very good”….) but he only pushes girls that will give him a kickback on the “extras” money…
e) soapys (or mps) usually always include the same routine :
a. you get a bath with the girl naked in the bathtub washing you
everywhere
b. you are guaranteed a bbbj in the tub and 99% of the ladies will let
you “come” in their mouth
c. after the bath, you move on to the bed where you receive an oil
massage
nb : some places have an inflatable mattress and offer a full body to body soapy experience (meaning that the girl will soap herself and wash you again with her tits and pussy by sliding all over your body)
not all places have inflatable mattresses as it is quite rare.
d. after the massage, the lady will proceed to another bbbj and then
have sex with you
e. after sex, back in the bathtub and she washes you again before
you leave
f) you need to leave a “tip” to the lady before you leave, the tip is up to you but usually ladies will expect nothing less than thb 500 (unless you did not like the session then you don’t have to tip).
[b]massage parlors : fashion massage[/b] *coming soon*
[b]massage parlors : akasuri massage[/b] *coming soon*
[b]bars : fantasy bars : eden club[/b]
purely the kinkiest club/bar in bangkok….
- eden club is not for everybody: club specialized 1 guy and 2 ladies ( or more )
about the menu:
1 man with 2, or more ladies
if unsatisfied with service, no charge.
special fantasies? let marc (the owner) know and he’ll make it happend
all bisexual ladies, dildo and strap on.
just show the ladies what you like, and don't be shy, they've heard it all before.
left side of the yellow line anal sex.
all the ladies provide oral sex.
90 min. sessions, unlimited sessions.
per lady : 1800 bht (us$45)
everything included
example of a basic eden experience :
- 2 ladies
- 3 drinks
- tips to the ladies
all in all about thb 5,000 (us$ 125)
you choose 2 ladies yourself, even better, you choose one, and she chooses the other.
uniforms on request (to please your fantasies)
you are here for pleasure, not for drinking
about services
xxx : means everybody will provide this service
services that you would like to perform with the ladies :
oral sex bare xxx
cum on face xxx rimming xxx
uniform play xxx
cum in mouth xxx
vaginal sex (with condom) xxx
vaginal fingering xxx
lesbian performance xxx
anal sex (with condom)
anal fingering
spanking
light bondage
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on body
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in mouth
foot worship
services you want the ladies to perform on you :
bare back blowjob (bbbj) xxx
rimming xxx
use toys (strap-on, dildo's,etc... ) xxx
cum sharing xxx
anal fingering xxx
spanking
light bondage
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on body
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in mouth
deep throat
foot worship
about medical
all the ladies have medical records
each month for hiv and siphillis
each week for std
all the checks are to be seen anytime in the club
[b]bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars[/b]
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
pricing:
bj = thb 700 to 1,000 (depending on the place)
this is a pretty straightforward bar (looks like any bar in bkk) except that you need to be prepared before you walk in.
ladies everywhere and all ready to give you a blowjob anywhere… yes, you read correct, you can sit at the bar counter and ask a girl to blow you right there in front of everyone while you quietly sip on your beer…
a lot of people like to be watched and/or watch others receiving a blowjob (think of it as a “live” porn amateur movie).
for the non-exhibitionist, they have areas with couches separated by a thick curtain to give you a little privacy.
as there are no showers, the lady will thoroughly clean you dick before putting it in her mouth..
the girls will give you a bbbj until you come (technically you have 20 minutes to come) and after 15 minutes, she will look at you and ask “you come now?”
in these covered but not so private areas (you will see some people opening the curtains from time to time.. especially girls… some will also come and sit beside you to watch the other girls blow you…) you can be offered fj (whereas the lady will drop her panties and sit on you, she will slip a condom of course) fj = additional thb 500 to 1,000
you also have private cubicles (real concrete walls and a locking door) that cost extra thb 300 to 500 but only for fj.
that’s about all, as its name says, it’s a blowjob bar so you come in, order a beer get sucked, deposit your load in the girl’s mouth, pay and go.
the ladies there are very good at giving blowjobs but the older they are (experience) the deeper they go (great deepthroat). most young girls will not go very far down your dick… and if you ask them to suck deeper, they will complain that “farang too big, mai dai” (meaning that foreigners are too big and she cannot deepthroat)… which of course is bullshit.
you can take a lady out of the bar and bring her back to your hotel but you’ll have to pay a barfine to the bar (usually thb 500 to 600).
[b]bars : gogo bars [/b] *coming soon*
[b]bars : beer bars [/b] *coming soon*
[b]bars : freelancer bars [/b] *coming soon*
[b]bars : coyote bars / g clubs [/b] *coming soon*
[b]clubs : regular clubs [/b] *coming soon*
[b]clubs : after hours clubs [/b] *coming soon*
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]b. You are guaranteed a BBBJ in the tub and 99% of the ladies will let you “come” in their mouth
...
[/QUOTE]NicFrenchy,
I think you have too much time on hand. Anyway, thanks for all the work you put into this report...great job!
I disagree with you statement that you will always get a BBBJ and 99 % CIM in Soapies. It definitely depends on the girl, and if they are new or younger the likelyhood that you get it is much lower.
Besides that I hope that your dick will not heal too fast, that you have enough time (in the coming days) to complete the "coming soon" sections :) .
Btw.: The report is really not for idiots (that would be wasted) - it is for Thailand newbies.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I also am trying to learn to be more polite Thai style even after many years of experience.[/QUOTE]Man, me too. There's a lot of silliness recently on this forum, like the idea that what gains you respect in Thailand is to "always hold your ground on price and never show weakness". What gains you respect as a farang -- a tough job to start with -- is speaking good Thai and dealing with things in a polite, good humored Thai way. It is incredibly effective once you begin to get the hang of it. It just isn't very easy.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]That is hearsay. how can we be so sure about what the girls make @ Annies? I know the prices were raised from 1500 to 1700 and that the extra 200B went directly into the girls pocket.[/QUOTE]
Isn't this also hear-say? How does anyone know that the 200 goes directly into the girl's pocket?
[QUOTE=Giotto]
I disagree with you statement that you will always get a BBBJ and 99 % CIM in Soapies. It definitely depends on the girl, and if they are new or younger the likelyhood that you get it is much lower.
Besides that I hope that your dick will not heal too fast, that you have enough time (in the coming days) to complete the "coming soon" sections :) .
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Nic has only been to Annies (not exactly a normal Soapy) and a couple of others. So he does have some stange ideas about Soapies. ;) I have hardly ever had a CIM at a Soapy although I never asked for it. I am too polite to CIM without the girl making it clear that it is O.K. I would tell her I am coming so she can avoid CIM if she wants to. Mostly they do avoid it.
I didn't try any of the old girls like Nic prefers ;)
I don't believe I have ever had or been offered an Oil massage at a normal Soapy. Perhaps Annies and Darling offer this.
Traditional Thai Massage is offered at quite a few soapies.
And of course Soapies do not have freelancers siiting on the couch. Is Nic being Satyrical?
Went back to Long Gun for first time in a long while to check out how Miss N is going. She is tall and stunning. Their are no other stunners in this bar too my taste at the minute with perhaps a couple of pretty ones.
Some Rawhide girls have recently moved to Long Gun. I omit the reasons.
I was a sort of friend with N for several months and she would never go with me for sex. That has now changed so I guess times are tough economically and she cannot afford to knock me back any more. She is not good in bed really as does not kiss or do BJ but her sheer georgous body sort of compensates so that I still enjoy to take her anyway.
She is very shy so lights have to be low and she doesn't like me to stare at her face. Magnificent tits, Not sure if B or C cup. The right one probably small C and left one big B. Many girls are not completely balanced.
I remember my mate saying that he really enjoyed a starfish girl. Miss N is not that but is really not a good mover.
Scores:
Face: 9
Body: 10
Tits: 10
Kissing: 0
BJ: 0
Sex: 6 to 7
Personality: 6 (very difficult)
She appears in a pic:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=820162&postcount=1720[/url]
First pic girl on the right.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]And of course Soapies do not have freelancers siiting on the couch. Is Nic being Satyrical?[/QUOTE]
He's talking about the "sideline" girls.....and he explains his meaning of "freelancer"...."Also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the FB, hanging out on a sofa…. These are Freelancers, they do not work for the Massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket Cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the MP if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed".
[QUOTE=Betong]Man, me too. There's a lot of silliness recently on this forum, like the idea that what gains you respect in Thailand is to "always hold your ground on price and never show weakness". What gains you respect as a farang -- a tough job to start with -- is speaking good Thai and dealing with things in a polite, good humored Thai way. It is incredibly effective once you begin to get the hang of it. It just isn't very easy.[/QUOTE]
Are you in business in Thailand?.......IMHO you are right about what may gain you respect.......but totally wrong on pricing and weakness. I'm not talking about the working girls, because frankly, these discussions about a 200 b over charge/or tip to a working girl can get annoying....but in big business showing weakness is the death march for your company.....believe me.....been there....done that.....peace/out.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]You made some good points about taxis in BKK
However, taxis were readily available in BKK in 1972. Toyota Corollas mostly and you had to bargain and establish a price before getting in the car.
[/QUOTE]
Then I must protest!!!
I will have to start, immediately, writing a letter to Saint Peter of paradise for allowing Mr. Alzheimer to escape out of there where he belongs and pay me a visit. LOL
[QUOTE=Amjeck]There is no need to accept a flat rate taxi fare traveling inside of bkk, unless you want to. There are plenty of moving taxis who will turn on the meter. Just be patient.
No need to tip them either, but rounding up to the nearest 5 baht is no big deal. Thais do this.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly true for me. Coming back to the bus stop from isan after New Year, we were dropped off in the field instead of terminal as it was jammed packed up, walking to the road we were asked for 300 baht to go to Suk Soi 22, so we waited and waited and walked over to the meter taxi area and waited and waited an HOUR ++++ and ended up paying about 180 baht and gave him the extra 20 baht so 200 baht and we paid the toll too.
If the TGF would have let me I'd have given up the extra 100 baht (3 USD) instead of standing in the mob scene (too many folks coming back and way way too few taxis at 4 am) for the extra hour plus.
Yes I do not support overpaying as it drives the price up but it comes a time that I'll pay a premium.
[QUOTE=Betong]There's a lot of silliness recently on this forum, like the idea that what gains you respect in Thailand is to "always hold your ground on price and never show weakness". What gains you respect as a farang -- a tough job to start with -- is speaking good Thai and dealing with things in a polite, good humored Thai way. It is incredibly effective once you begin to get the hang of it. It just isn't very easy.[/QUOTE]
This is a misconception. Speaking thai makes things easier b/c you are able to communicate and it seems like everyone is having fun. Thais may even feel more comfortable around you and like you a bit more, however, it doesn't guarantee respect. . Thais respect people who have high status or people with power and money. These type of people generally are not weak and the thais know it. Show you are weak and ignorant and the Thais will eat you for lunch. This is probably a better topic for the thai culture section not bkk.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]He's talking about the "sideline" girls.....and he explains his meaning of "freelancer"...."Also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the FB, hanging out on a sofa…. These are Freelancers, they do not work for the Massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket Cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the MP if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed".[/QUOTE]
Sure but the sideline girls are indeed working for the MP.
They might be walking around, but labelling then "freelancers" is really stretching the meaning.
In my opinion most "Sideline" girls are professional Soapy girls and not doing it as a second casual job.
The Soapy wants a lot of rules and strict discipline.
Usually girls get small fines if they don't show up or hefty fines if don't show on important days like Saturday. There are girls employed on a casual basis that can turn up irregularly, but they are still subject to rules of the place. They still have to go through the hiring process.
The customer still has to pay the full price at the normal place. He is not dealing directly with the girl. The girl still has medical checks, etc.
I don't recall ever meeting a girl at a Soapy that was doing some other job like cashier in a Supermarket and only occasionally coming to the Soapy. Stunning girls that can get away with showing up now and then normally couldn't be bothered to be a supermarket cashier. No point to it. But could happen rarely.
So I wouldn't like to say there are girls that are not "professional". Being a Soapy girl is a profession in my view even if only working part time. It may be true that the service is not very "professional". LOL
So Nic has probably mentioned a few things that are not quite the norm in my opinion. However I must concede that I could be mistaken, so I will follow up some of these issues with my favourite soapy girls to see what they believe to be true.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]When a Newbie arrives in Thailand, he almost always has this stupid look, smiling in anticipation towards all the Pussy available. But how does it all work?
It has been said that even the Hunchback of Notre dame could get laid here (maybe he did) for a few baht so is it that easy? The Short answer is YES, it is.
However, doing your homework can really enhance your overall experience as you will know beforehand which places you would like to experience.
....
[/QUOTE]
This report should be very valuable place to point to when all the very basic questions get asked by post or by annoying PMs.
But I think even experienced members will have cause to look up some things in here from time to time. I for example now very little about G Clubs and which places you can BF a girl or not. So my experience is limited. It wasn't that long ago I had never been to an Oily MP. LOL
So we will take "Idiot's Guide" to mean something that covers all the basic questions .. and more.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Sure but the sideline girls are indeed working for the MP.
They might be walking around, but labelling then "freelancers" is really stretching the meaning.
In my opinion most "Sideline" girls are professional Soapy girls and not doing it as a second casual job.
The Soapy wants a lot of rules and strict discipline.
Usually girls get small fines if they don't show up or hefty fines if don't show on important days like Saturday. There are girls employed on a casual basis that can turn up irregularly, but they are still subject to rules of the place. They still have to go through the hiring process.
The customer still has to pay the full price at the normal place. He is not dealing directly with the girl. The girl still has medical checks, etc.
I don't recall ever meeting a girl at a Soapy that was doing some other job like cashier in a Supermarket and only occasionally coming to the Soapy. Stunning girls that can get away with showing up now and then normally couldn't be bothered to be a supermarket cashier. No point to it. But could happen rarely.
So I wouldn't like to say there are girls that are not "professional". Being a Soapy girl is a profession in my view even if only working part time. It may be true that the service is not very "professional". LOL
So Nic has probably mentioned a few things that are not quite the norm in my opinion. However I must concede that I could be mistaken, so I will follow up some of these issues with my favourite soapy girls to see what they believe to be true.[/QUOTE]What is the "hiring process" for a soapy worker?
Too my regulars there in Thailand, Many people enjoy bargirls I prefer freelancers and 1 in particular, PUI hangs out at Mcdonalds soi 19 at phone booths friend there is cool ladyboy who warns farang of pickpockets in the area and is very kind. I prefer calling her Danni to PUI based on her round face. although we all have our preference not many girls have made me wish I were a better person or younger as this one has. Please give her the respect she deserves and enjoy her hidden charms. (shes shy)
I have been a regular to BKK for 5 years and was quite jaded this christmas tour over the lack of talent out there. Found myself bored of the normal Suk stroll or Tilac. Did enjoy days in biergarden with Noi amd good weather but somethings just amiss and I actually left 2 weeks early. Either I am just changing or BKK has!!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]When a Newbie arrives in Thailand, he almost always has this stupid look, smiling in anticipation towards all the Pussy available. But how does it all work?[/QUOTE]Excellent advice! This forum and its senior members continues to inspire and educate.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]...So we will take "Idiot's Guide" to mean something that covers all the basic questions .. and more.[/QUOTE]
That's very true, Mick, but only if Mr. Nic follows up on his promise to fill in the eight or so "comming soon" catagories of the tome.
We're all still waiting with baited breath, (at least I am), for the second installment in his tale of the 53 year old insatiable gik, (the part where he actually fucks her), yet it has not been forthcomming. :D
[QUOTE=Daddy07]That's very true, Mick, but only if Mr. Nic follows up on his promise to fill in the eight or so "comming soon" catagories of the tome.
We're all still waiting with baited breath, (at least I am), for the second installment in his tale of the 53 year old insatiable gik, (the part where he actually fucks her), yet it has not been forthcomming. :D[/QUOTE]
Well he is a very busy man, having to work in between all those giks and MPs, so we cannot expect the world in a hurry.
But eventually, we will all get to benefit from his very broad experience.
When I am working, outside Thailand, I am hardly getting any action to take up my time.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Nic has only been to Annies (not exactly a normal Soapy) and a couple of others. So he does have some stange ideas about Soapies. ;) [/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha I was actually going to ask you to complete the report :)
Yes, I was talking about the 2 shots Guaranteed Soapies (Annies & Darlings) and was going to create another Section for the Upmarket Soapies. Care to write it for me? please? ;)
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]He's talking about the "sideline" girls.....and he explains his meaning of "freelancer"...."Also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the FB, hanging out on a sofa…. These are Freelancers, they do not work for the Massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket Cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the MP if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed".[/QUOTE]
You nailed it. It's like you live inside my mind ;)
(don't get nervous... there are a lot of pretty girls in there)
[QUOTE=Giotto]Besides that I hope that your dick will not heal too fast, that you have enough time (in the coming days) to complete the "coming soon" sections :) .[/QUOTE]
It looks as if it has healed already but I'll let another week go by just to be safe.
I would not want to be the girl that will get me after 2 weeks os starvation... I will unload a river of sperm in her mouth :D
[QUOTE=Daddy07]We're all still waiting with baited breath, (at least I am), for the second installment in his tale of the 53 year old insatiable gik, (the part where he actually fucks her), yet it has not been forthcomming. :D[/QUOTE]
Mea culpa... but I did manage to write 75% of the rest... since my dick is still hurt :(
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well he is a very busy man, having to work in between all those giks and MPs, so we cannot expect the world in a hurry.[/QUOTE]
*Sobbing* Well I do not have any giks at this time... they're all gone (my decision) but you never know, after all, this is Thailand adn girls are always 1 sms away ;)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hahahahaha I was actually going to ask you to complete the report :)
Yes, I was talking about the 2 shots Guaranteed Soapies (Annies & Darlings) and was going to create another Section for the Upmarket Soapies. Care to write it for me? please? ;)[/QUOTE]
Well I will agree to add my thoughts or comment where your view seems a little distorted in terms of overall Soapies.
But I think its a great idea to put Soapies into two categories as Sukhumvit soeapies seem to be not typical.
I have only been to Darling twice, and not what I am used to. One session was O.K. Annies, I didn't go upstairs at all as only fancied the mamasan.
Lets get together soon. I would like you to help more with the Oilies Maps too as you know far more than me.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well I will agree to add my thoughts or comment where your view seems a little distorted in terms of overall Soapies.
But I think its a great idea to put Soapies into two categories...[/QUOTE]
And please don't forget to include complete price structure infomation, including farang surcharges, recommended tipping, etc., so we know exactly the total expected cost at each establishment.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]And please don't forget to include complete price structure infomation, including farang surcharges, recommended tipping, etc., so we know exactly the total expected cost at each establishment.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Daddy,
I already post prices and surcharges that on my BKK Soapies Map.
I can't give recommended tipping really, as prices at Soapies are generally all inclusive (except for Annies) and its really up to generosity and character of each individual guy.
But are you really interested in coming to BKK to visit the Soapies?
Perhaps one of you guys could give us a complete run down on the Pattaya Soapies or are they all completely useless?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Perhaps one of you guys could give us a complete run down on the Pattaya Soapies or are they all completely useless?[/QUOTE]
I heard them Saunas in Pattaya can get very kinky :D
Come on Daddy07... Spill the beans!
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Daddy,
I already post prices and surcharges that on my BKK Soapies Map.
I can't give recommended tipping really, as prices at Soapies are generally all inclusive (except for Annies) and its really up to generosity and character of each individual guy.
But are you really interested in coming to BKK to visit the Soapies?
Perhaps one of you guys could give us a complete run down on the Pattaya Soapies or are they all completely useless?[/QUOTE]
Personally, I'm not really interested in visiting BKK Soapies, but you never know, and I'm sure there are lots of us who ARE interested and don't want to pay too much.
I've always been confused about which places expect the customer to pay the girl seperately and which are "all in." For instance, at an oily where you pay the shop so much for a 90 minutes massage and pay the girl 1500 for FS, are you expected to tip beyond that, or not? And at soapies where you pay 2500 for "all in" services, do the girls expect a tip as well, and if so, what is sufficient? Also, is haggling with the Pappasan common? All of this remains a mystery with me.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I heard them Saunas in Pattaya can get very kinky :D
Come on Daddy07... Spill the beans![/QUOTE]
Never tried 'em. So if anyone here has, I'd love to know the details.
I have tried one soapy in BKK (Malibu, I think it was, behind Posideon). It was OK and I got 2 pops but still didn't think it was worth the price. I've also gone to Angel's near Giotto's Lodge and had a good time with a nice girl.
I like to create my own adventures in the comfort of my own condo, when the price is agreed upon in advance and tipping is not normally required, except perhaps a few baht now and then for motorbike taxi if requested.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Never tried 'em. So if anyone here has, I'd love to know the details.
I have tried one soapy in BKK (Malibu, I think it was, behind Posideon). It was OK and I got 2 pops but still didn't think it was worth the price. I've also gone to Angel's near Giotto's Lodge and had a good time with a nice girl.
I like to create my own adventures in the comfort of my own condo, when the price is agreed upon in advance and tipping is not normally required, except perhaps a few baht now and then for motorbike taxi if requested.[/QUOTE]
So that's why I am surprised by your requests for information that you won't actually find useful. I understand that some guys are able to watch their budget well. I need to learn this better :( instead of wanting the best possible girl for the best possible expereince somewhat letting cost go a bit out of control.
[quote=el greco]then i must protest!!!
i will have to start, immediately, writing a letter to saint peter of paradise for allowing mr. alzheimer to escape out of there where he belongs and pay me a visit. lol[/quote]
i can remember my first night in thailand like it was yesterday. however, i can't remember what i did last night.
it was 1973 and i was 20 years old, dumb and full of cum. had a three day flight on a pan am 707 charter out of travis afb, california that stopped at every rock in the pacific, viet nam, and then bkk.
a couple of other gis and i had a room at the honey hotel on suk soi 19 and we wanted to see the famous bangkok night life. we hailed an ancient toyota corolla taxi from the street and got inside. to say this thing was a piece of shit would have been a compliment. there wasn't a fender that didn't have a dent, the primary color was bondo, the door panels were missing as was most of the dashboard. even though the front end shook like crazy at speeds over 35 mph the driver proceeded to drive like a bat-out-of hell through bangkok traffic narrowly missing the back of a large flat-bed truck which he went under when he changed lanes.
when we got to our destination, and like the dumb-shits we were, asked how much expecting there was some kind of meter somewhere we couldn't see he said something outrageous like 100 baht. we all pitched in and paid him a dollar each for a ten minute ride and then proceeded to a massage parlor where we got a hot bath, genuine massage followed by a "happy ending" hand-job. total cost $5.00
seems tame by todays' standards but when you were young, sexually inexperienced and it's your first time to the big city it seemed like a big deal. and now at my age and experience the eden club is boring as hell.
ra
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I can remember my first night in Thailand like it was yesterday....It was 1973... [/QUOTE]
Shit, I wasn't even born! LOL
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Show you are weak and ignorant and the Thais will eat you for lunch.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I wouldn't know about that.
I'll say it again: I believe that the most important way to get treated well by Thais is to learn the Thai style of politeness -- confident, good humored, and well spoken. Learn about "kan eng" and "kreng jai" and how they work. And you're right, this discussion doesn't really belong here, so I'll leave it at that.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Personally, I'm not really interested in visiting BKK Soapies, but you never know, and I'm sure there are lots of us who ARE interested and don't want to pay too much.
I've always been confused about which places expect the customer to pay the girl seperately and which are "all in." For instance, at an oily where you pay the shop so much for a 90 minutes massage and pay the girl 1500 for FS, are you expected to tip beyond that, or not? And at soapies where you pay 2500 for "all in" services, do the girls expect a tip as well, and if so, what is sufficient? Also, is haggling with the Pappasan common? All of this remains a mystery with me.[/QUOTE]
In general unless otherwise quoted in the original price
In the oilies you pay the shop for the massage only. Any extra service you pay to the provider in the form of 500, 1000, 1500 for Hand Job, Blow Job and Full service respectively.
In the soapies full service is included in the price. If you get a real good service with 2 pops and you feel that she went over the limit for you then 500-1000 is a very good tip. If she is average 300 will do. If you are not satisfied don't give them anything even if they ask. At least that's what I am doing.
Watch out in some shopies you can take the girl (usually a little older and more experienced) only for massage and pay 700-1000 for that. Full service is not included in this price. Depending on the soapie another 1000-1500 directly to her will be good for her full service. I do it sometimes in ChaoPaya 2 when I am in need, primarily, of a good massage. They know that full service has not been paid and they try harder to get the money for it.
Remember money is not that important, as the big smile on your face is, after a good session. I always tip, allover the world, the ones who manage to give me that big smile.
Thank Buddha we're moving on from dissecting the Taxi trade. More about girlz, pleeze.
My fave of all times was "Gaye. ". About 20, full natural guns, a little taller than average, pretty with a laid back attitude. Pulled her from Erotica (3rd floor Nana Plaza in the back.) She had a euro-boyfriend at 17 who scooped her from a restaurant, and joined the game at 19 when he ditched her. The thing was, she really enjoyed s_x. The moans were genuine because she would whisper 'more, ' and 'yeah, yeah' in Thai, then nearly pass out after she let it rip. I saw her several times, and when I was lucky enough to return 6 mos later, she was there at Erotica. Not sure she remembered me, but I knew her. Sadly, 6 months put about 18 months on her look, but that's that life, I guess.
Anyone been to Erotica lately? . Going back end of the month.
Jck
[QUOTE=Jackzonian] She had a euro-boyfriend at 17 who scooped her from a restaurant, and joined the game at 19 when he ditched her[/QUOTE]
This guy is smart.
[QUOTE=Jackzonian]The thing was, she really enjoyed s_x.[/QUOTE]
You mean Sex?
I have found that Thai ladies really do enjoy sex in general. It is a natural source of pleasure and they are not shy to say what they like. Most Thai girls masturbate a lot. I am not sure western women are that horny.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You mean Sex?
I have found that Thai ladies really do enjoy sex in general. It is a natural source of pleasure and they are not shy to say what they like. Most Thai girls masturbate a lot. I am not sure western women are that horny.[/QUOTE]
Nic,
Are you meeting a representative proportion of the Thai population, or just the super sexed ones?
I find that most Thais, including my GFs, are indeed shy to say exactly what they want or to talk about subjects like masturbation, initially. However they did greatly appreciate vibrators for when I was not around, even if they didn't consider them previously.
Many Thai girls would not know how to give a good blow job.
I think you are experiencing a non-represntative set of girls, as usual LOL ;)
I will agree that Thai girls are into having good sex. But I find they are a bit shy to be open about it with men, unless have known them for a while.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Nic,
Are you meeting a representative proportion of the Thai population, or just the super sexed ones?
I find that most Thais, including my GFs, are indeed shy to say exactly what they want or to talk about subjects like masturbation, initially. However they did greatly appreciate vibrators for when I was not around, even if they didn't consider them previously.
Many Thai girls would not know how to give a good blow job.
I think you are experiencing a non-represntative set of girls, as usual LOL ;)
I will agree that Thai girls are into having good sex. But I find they are a bit shy to be open about it with men, unless have known them for a while.[/QUOTE]
Obviously we are talking about non P4P girls here.
I think Thai girls like sex as much as anyone else, but they are initially more reserved than Western women. It takes them a while to loosen up and get comfortable with a man, but when they do it's worth the time and effort.
My wife had never used a vibrator until I introduced her to one. Now I am forever replacing the worn out batteries. She has told me sometimes she uses it several times a day when I am away. Better that than a Pu-a-noi. Guess I should get smart and spring for an electric model.
Agree with you on the blow job. I had to give Thai girls lots of instruction before they got it perfect. It's not that they didn't like doing a BJ, just that they weren't all that experienced and I'm not sure it comes natural to them because of their repressed upbringing.
Which kind of Thais are we talking about?
If we are talking about educated professional people o middle class people I agree that if you treat them nicely (no need in the "thai" way, just in a "international" way) you will be treated accordingly.
But if you are talking about bargirls, bargirls family and lower classes, the only thing they want from you is your money.
Not that it's wrong: they are basically poor people and they usually come from a village in the forest so they are entitled to do this.
And if a bargirl provides good sex I am more than happy to give her good money!
But that's it!
What do you think you can talk about with a taxi driver? The gaza crisis?
Or with a bargirl? The credit crunch?
At least you can discuss hot topic as how to feed baby buffalos...
Italy 1974
[QUOTE=Betong]Sorry, I wouldn't know about that.
I'll say it again: I believe that the most important way to get treated well by Thais is to learn the Thai style of politeness -- confident, good humored, and well spoken. Learn about "kan eng" and "kreng jai" and how they work. And you're right, this discussion doesn't really belong here, so I'll leave it at that.[/QUOTE]
Check out the front page item about an Aussie idiot who got snookered by a TSW over a period of years. (sorry Aussie-brothers) Once again, keep your cool in the l. O. S. While you're having the time of your life, there's danger everywhere. Sort of Heaven & Hell all mixed up like two spools of yarn.
The PDN is a great read for the violence and chaos! Love it.
[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/[/url]
or
[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/showfeature.php?FeatureID=0000001015[/url]
R.A.
Here is a suggestion. My buddy in China use to take the girls to his Condo, and drink, sing, play strip poker and at the same time play his xxxxxx tapes for the girls. He had tapes for everything, S&M, blowjobs, anal, etc.. This was his training tool. It seem to work because every year when I visit we would head off into China and his get away Condo and have a time of our lives. Never had a problem with a lousy blowjob.
I would stay away with the electric vibrator. With the juices flowing you don't want her to kill herself doing it. The voltage is too high man 230 in Thailand!
LBM
I phrased that post badly.- and I apologize in advance before Aussie Mongers assault me. I just meant "idiots. " The guy in the article happened to be an Aussie, but it could have been anybody. I have a lot of Aussie buds and Aussie are, in general, excellent dudes, tops. I lived there a couple of years so I know. I shouldn't have written it the way I did..but that guy was a sucker. Don't be a sucker. Thailand will chew you up and spit you out. But it's still the best place on the planet! No hard feelings, Lads. Jck
[QUOTE=Italy 1974]Which kind of Thais are we talking about?
If you are talking about bargirls, bargirls family and lower classes, the only thing they want from you is your money.[/QUOTE]Lower classes? How patronising. You're generalising about millions of people, and hence you are, almost by definition, wrong. What do you (or I) know about the thoughts and needs of the majority of ordinary people in Thailand? In general I have found people in Thailand (and all other SE Asian countries) to be friendly, warm-spirited and generous.
Even if you were just talking about a few girls from the Beergarden I'm not sure I would agree with you.
I reprint the old joke here: Q. How do you make a girl cum? Ans: Who Cares?
I didn't mean to imply TG do or don't enjoy sex, but I appreciate the sub-topic it inspired in my fellow dogs! I was really just saying that this filly did. And I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the 2-year deal she had with her first boyfriend. (Thanks, Hans.) There was a GFE aspect to it: inspired oral, abandon, nails-in-the-back, enjoyment, all over the map. And post-climax giggling you don't get all the time. I'm no fool, so I rarely if ever believe the usual acting (though I appreciate it! ) Gaye was the real deal.
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Lower classes? How patronising. You're generalising about millions of people, and hence you are, almost by definition, wrong. What do you (or I) know about the thoughts and needs of the majority of ordinary people in Thailand? In general I have found people in Thailand (and all other SE Asian countries) to be friendly, warm-spirited and generous.
Even if you were just talking about a few girls from the Beergarden I'm not sure I would agree with you.[/QUOTE]What do I ahve to say?
I wrote exactly what I think.
If you prefer to limit our discussion to bargirls, I emains that the only interest they may have ina "farang" is money.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
Italy 1974
are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]R.A.
I would stay away with the electric vibrator. With the juices flowing you don't want her to kill herself doing it. The voltage is too high man 230 in Thailand!
LBM[/QUOTE]
My plan is to give her a 110 volt vibrator and plug it into 230. that way she gets twice the stimilation ;)
I use my gasoline powered vibrator (Harley) when I really want to get their juices flowing. I had a girl friend who used ben-wa balls and would have multiple orgasims during a ride.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]My plan is to give her a 110 volt vibrator and plug it into 230. that way she gets twice the stimilation ;)
I use my gasoline powered vibrator (Harley) when I really want to get their juices flowing. I had a girl friend who used ben-wa balls and would have multiple orgasims during a ride.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha - don't always agree with your views RA, but appreciate your sense of the absurd.
Speaking of the absurd and the lengths some will go to in the pursuit of pleasure, check out this internal link:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=824554&postcount=3745[/url]
Now that is devotion to mongering duties, lugging a 20lb Sybian with you on your hols. What a star. My admiration is undisguised.
:D GH
[QUOTE=Retired Army]My plan is to give her a 110 volt vibrator and plug it into 230. that way she gets twice the stimilation ;)
I use my gasoline powered vibrator (Harley) when I really want to get their juices flowing. I had a girl friend who used ben-wa balls and would have multiple orgasims during a ride.[/QUOTE]
Be careful man.
I had this hot bargirl on my part time screw list who used to perform very well in bed. Her personality was not the greatest, but fucking was the important bit.
She gave me her spec for a BIG powerful jack rabbit vibe with rotating internal beads and the attached clit stimulator.
I gave to her as a pre new year present. Can be a big risk to get replaced by a machine. Now she has been struck off my list, as she has become very lazy performer in bed.
See this post for the report including pic of the device that was just too powerful.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=830047&postcount=2755[/url]
R.A.
Get one of those boil eggs with a single AAA batteries, watch her insert it in and watch her go crazy. Allow her to increase or perfect her muscle control.
[quote=first lover]are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.[/quote]
soi cowboy has some, e.g. toy bar. a good place for exhibitionaists (or guys just not shy) to get a bj in public with everyone in the bar able to see you if you don't want to go to a dark corner. i forget the names of others. would have to do a thread search.
if you want exteeeeended bjs, then tulip mp is probably the ultimate. several mates go there to get endless pops till there time runs out be it 1 hour or 2. thats where to go to get thoroughly "sucked dry". its not necessary to have any massage at tulip (i rarely do - as time usually runs out) but you can do other things besides bbbj cim if you want.
you could even have two girls if you wanted to spurge. than could get balls licked bby one while other is doing the shaft.
another option is to get a lady with big tits who can give light tit massage of your balls while blowing you, e.g. "tuk" has big tits i believe.
there are other mps that specialise in bjs, rimming and cat baths, with akane coming to mind.
this morning i have a girl coming to visit my room who is a deapthroat bj specialist, but i intend to fuck her as well as she has a very nice pussy. personally i prefer the option to do everything and so go to bj places rather rarely.
thank you for the info on bj bar "toy bar" in soi cowboy. i did not now this one was a blowjob bar, i had heard that "rawhide" had this possibility but actually never really had a bj in soi cowboy.
i was in star of light in the fall of last year first time, that was fun. otherwise i have just been to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].
i have also been to tulip but that was for the whole menu of massage, bj, fs, including anal, that was a really good service, i even remember her name, jojo gave excellent service.
i am going to try toy bar in feb. as i go on holiday again.
thanks again for the info.
[QUOTE=Italy 1974]What do you think you can talk about with a taxi driver?[/QUOTE]Probably depends a lot on your language abilities. I talk to Bangkok cabbies about all kinds of things, from the economic crisis to Buddhism to food to politics (though you have to be careful with that one). Over the years I can't tell you how much information, gossip, rumors, funny stories, and language help I've gotten from these guys.
As far as bargirls, yes, it's pretty much silly jokes and flirting, especially with the younger ones. But even there occasionally you find one who actually has something to say for herself.
I live and work with respectable middle-class Thais so I naturally tend to treat what you call the 'lower classes' the same way. You might be surprised how often they respond well to it.
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Hahaha - don't always agree with your views RA, but appreciate your sense of the absurd.
Speaking of the absurd and the lengths some will go to in the pursuit of pleasure, check out this internal link:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=824554&postcount=3745[/url]
Now that is devotion to mongering duties, lugging a 20lb Sybian with you on your hols. What a star. My admiration is undisguised.
:D GH[/QUOTE]
Hey, my views are always the best and brightest, most reasoned and rational. Just ask me and I will be happy to tell you.
I've actually seen a Sybian in a sex shop in Amsterdam. But my question is: if I bought one for the little lady what would she need me for other than taking out the garbage?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Be careful man.
I had this hot bargirl on my part time screw list who used to perform very well in bed. Her personality was not the greatest, but fucking was the important bit.
She gave me her spec for a BIG powerful jack rabbit vibe with rotating internal beads and the attached clit stimulator.
I gave to her as a pre new year present. Can be a big risk to get replaced by a machine. Now she has been struck off my list, as she has become very lazy performer in bed.
See this post for the report including pic of the device that was just too powerful.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=830047&postcount=2755[/url][/QUOTE]
As long as I can lick my eyebrows I'm safe.
[QUOTE=Jackzonian]Check out the front page item about an Aussie idiot who got snookered by a TSW over a period of years.[/QUOTE]I especially liked the 'clues' they provided about her so that others 'don't fall into the same trap', like that she's about 30, has 3 tattoos, and is 'a smooth talker and an habitual liar'. I guess we'll all be able to spot her now.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]R.A.
Get one of those boil eggs with a single AAA batteries, watch her insert it in and watch her go crazy. Allow her to increase or perfect her muscle control.[/QUOTE]
I'd love to get hold of one, and many other toys, BUT being permanently in Thailand makes it difficult. Anyone have any suggestions? Most mail order companies seem to exclude deliveries to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Bumholes1]I'd love to get hold of one, and many other toys, BUT being permanently in Thailand makes it difficult. Anyone have any suggestions? Most mail order companies seem to exclude deliveries to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Jump on a plane to Kunming for the weekend, plenty of sex shops there supplying all sorts of devices and tablets and lotions and potions and lingerie and whatever else you could ever want to buy.
Road directly behind the "Golden Dragon" hotel has a couple of shops.
PS - Given it appears I am now "moderated" after my "chats" with Giotto, you might find this post appears a couple of days from now and you might miss it as by the time its posted its a page or few down from the latest posts - sad - but thats the way it is and why I hardly bother to do any posts now.
[quote=first lover]are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.[/quote]
you can have a bj in the bar at after skool at soi cowboy, in the so called "naughty boy corner". if you want, you can get 2 girls, one sucks you while you kiss and fondle the other. cost as usual 700 b per girl
[QUOTE=Bumholes1]I'd love to get hold of one, and many other toys, BUT being permanently in Thailand makes it difficult. Anyone have any suggestions? Most mail order companies seem to exclude deliveries to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Emigrate to the UK! Paradise. Sex shops in every high street...! :-)
On second thoughts... :-(
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Emigrate to the UK! Paradise. Sex shops in every high street...! :-)
On second thoughts... :-([/QUOTE]
The rate the high Street shops are closing, there might be nothing left but sex shops soon.
But having bought the toys, there will be no money left to pay someone to use them on! UK Pang mak mak!
[quote=first lover]are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.[/quote]
it is a good idea to summarise and list the specific places where you can get a bj in the publicity of the bar and not in some hidden corners. i do hope that members will contribute.
my only experience is sol in patpong ii. that place is perfect, however, in terms of technique and thrill.
enjoy
fv
Don get me wrong.
I treat everyone in a fair way, low, mddle or high class people.
I just think.and I had many proofs of that- that for the "common" thai any farang is seen just as a prospect of income. And it may be in short, in the medium or in the long time: it depends from many factors.
I can speak a reasonable good Thai and I had many interesting talks with business people.
But this never happened on a taxi or with a girl.
Still I had meny very very good fucks with many girls.
These are their best skills: suck and fuck, not talk.
Italy 1974
[QUOTE=Betong]Probably depends a lot on your language abilities. I talk to Bangkok cabbies about all kinds of things, from the economic crisis to Buddhism to food to politics (though you have to be careful with that one). Over the years I can't tell you how much information, gossip, rumors, funny stories, and language help I've gotten from these guys.
As far as bargirls, yes, it's pretty much silly jokes and flirting, especially with the younger ones. But even there occasionally you find one who actually has something to say for herself.
I live and work with respectable middle-class Thais so I naturally tend to treat what you call the 'lower classes' the same way. You might be surprised how often they respond well to it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor]It is a good idea to summarise and list the specific places where you can get a BJ in the publicity of the bar and not in some hidden corners. I do hope that members will contribute.
My only experience is SOL in Patpong II. That place is perfect, however, in terms of technique and thrill.
Enjoy,
FV[/QUOTE]In Bangkok I experienced only the SOL.
In Pattaya a good place is My Friend You bar on soi 6. Many other bar on soi 6 offer the possibility to get a blowjob in public.
Italy 1974
[quote=first lover]are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.[/quote]
as mentioned, afterskool is another place you can go, but the girls will want you to buy them a drink beforehand. careful there - she'll ask for a "tequila and coke", which is actually 2 drinks, but you don't know this until the bill comes.
the kangaroo bar in patpong is another one, and the place that used to be [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (also in patpong) is yet another bj bar, although i've never been to either.
in pattaya, there are a few bars at the entrance to soi 6 (on second road) where you can get a bj in the bar. check the pattaya thread for more info.
Great for those guys who can get off in ten minutes, in that case 700 baht is a good deal at Afterskool. They could not get me off though, even three girls working on my cock in the back corner. The bar was full too, so I think it was a major achievement to keep a hard on going while guys were walking past on the way to the bathroom. It's not a dedicated blow job bar OTOH. Still, it's an experience for those who can get off in a short time by a blow job. You save the 400 baht hotel room fee, and it's only 700 versus the 1500.
[quote=first lover]are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.[/quote]
bkk has many bj bars, some very popular adn some less.
the 2 star bj bars are:
star of light (aka sol) in patpong 2 (ground floor)
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in sukhumvit soi 8
however there are more:
linda/kob bar in patpong 2 (upstairs)
kangaroo bar patpong 1
afterskool's naughty boy corner in soi cowboy
joy bar in soi cowboy
jungle jims in soi cowboy
fannys in soi cowboy
wild country in washington square
tina's in soi 22
[QUOTE=]There was a GFE aspect to it: inspired oral, abandon, nails-in-the-back, enjoyment, all over the map. And post-climax giggling you don't get all the time. I'm no fool, so I rarely if ever believe the usual acting (though I appreciate it! ) Gaye was the real deal. [/QUOTE]Beware of P4P TGs who give you the GFE of digging their claws into your back during sex, or cutting you with their nails while massaging the balls or putting on the condom. You can get CA MRSA, a potentially fatal infection, from such, besides numerous other problems. This may concern me more than HIV or anything else one could name.
I prefer the starfishes over the porcupines. At least they don't send me to the hospital, cost 20, 000 baht there, and ruin weeks of vacation time.
They also tend to be quieter than the GFE types who may exhibit obviously fake or extremely loud groans that wake up the entire hotel. With this occuring during the sex act it ruins it by distracting my concentration and or making me laugh, in which case I may even lose erection.
On a more positive note, I recently enjoyed a two hour BJ from a super hottie who looks like the character Kim Bauer in the TV series 24. This cost about 100 USD or 3000 Baht. In my cuntry it'd be about 600 bucks. And she may be the hottest I've ever seen anywhere, even internet porn, of which I've seen a ton.
[quote=nicfrenchy]
the 2 star bj bars are:
star of light (aka sol) in patpong 2 (ground floor)
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in sukhumvit soi 8
[/quote]
which are the 5 star ones :confused: ;)
Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.[/QUOTE]Appreciate your Nana info. We will be there in a week and so curious about how things are around Nana, Beergarden soi 7 etc. Volume and quantity of girls etc. I think you are right. We should not be over-paying now. We are all damn fortunate to be going away on a new adventure.
After the hell of this last year, I am ready to have a MAJOR good time.
Thanks again.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.[/QUOTE]
Is the $600 bar fine negotiable at all? It seems like if the bars are hurting as well then they should be thinking of deep discounts. But that's not Thai logic, I know. On the other hand, the girls seem to be more logical, what a surprise.
Because then the total cost is still B1600 per girl.
[QUOTE=Adelante Siempre]Is the $600 bar fine negotiable at all?[/QUOTE]
I think you meant 600 baht and not $600? ;)
Yesterday I somehow needed to get out of Livingstone's for some time, and decided to walk around a bit.
[b]Champagne Charly's[/b]
I made my way down Sukhumvit, walking on the even side of the road, nearly alone, on a Saturday evening. The first venue which caught my eye was Champagne Charly's, close to Asoke, opposite Soi 23.
This is the new Champagne Lounge, before close to Soi 4. The owner closed it down some time ago, and re-opened "Champagne Charly's" with partners approx. 3-6 month ago. Concept is a upmarket Lounge, targetting basically Thai business men and their foreign visitors. From outside it looks quite exclusive, seams to have 3 levels with different activities (Lounge, Karaoke rooms etc. ). I was not dressed appropriately, otherwise I would have checked it out. In my POV this club has no chance to survive - bad location, no parking space, the economic crisis - looks like a major investment will go down the hill.
[b]Nana Plaza[/b]
The street became more crowded in the lower Sukhumvit area, some tourists there, most of them single men heading for Nana. Some couples, standard monger couples (older farang man with young Thai woman walking hand in hand), some tourists couples (not walking hand in hand).
It was a no-alcohol day, today (Sunday) are governor elections here in Bangkok. I expected some of the bars to be closed (nearly everything in Soi 33 was closed) - but everything was open. For the early night there was a surprising action at the parking lot area already - seams to be the LM market at that time. I remember some LBs usually waiting at the entrance of Nana and on the opposite side of the road there, but yesterday they obviously held a kind of meeting at the parking lot.
The ground floor of Nana Plaza was relatively empty. The beer bars there had very few customers, and not too many girls were waiting to be hunted. I looked for some friends inside Voodoo (gogo bar), quality not worth to be mentioned - but nobody there. The bar nearly empty, 10 girls dancing unmotivated ... one soda water and I was out of it.
Rainbow 4 - some customers in there, but it was early. Around 50 girls dancing, average quality, some really young and skinny ones, some lookers - but I wasn't really impressed. A mamasan came to me and asked for a drink. A mamasan asked for a drink!!! OK - that was it, I was out of there.
On the way out I realized a construction site in the upper level area - obviously a new ST hotel is built opposite to the already existing one, level at 2 and 3, on the Rainbow 4 side close to the entrance/exit of Nana Plaza.
[b]Cialis/Apcalis[/b]
Shortly after I left Nana I was offered Cialis/Apcalis on the street (still Soi 4). I checked the packages - it looked ok, but I strongly recommend not to buy this pills from street vendors. Just walk down to Sukhumvit road, turn left direction JW Marriott, and after 30 m there are two pharmacies, that sell all vitamin pills you might need, the originals as well as generics. Don't take the risk to buy that stuff from street vendors!
[b]Soi Cowboy[/b]
Soi Cowboy has changed a lot in the past year - nearly all bars have outside areas for smokers in front of their entrances. Beer bar style areas with tables and bar stools, and you can sit there watching the people promenading the street up and down.
It was not crowded either, most of the seats were not occupied. So I had mercy with one of the bars and invested half an hour for a bottle of water. That bar owner made the turnover of his life last night :) .
It's really funny to sit there and watch the people. I saw some undecided hunters passing by several times - one guy so obvious, that I started to count - approx. 8 times up and down the road in 30 minutes. The elephant passed by only one time :) ... Then a leather-dressed guy on a Harley Davidson drove in and parked his vehicle directly in front of Suzie Wong. Of course he got all the attention he obviously needed.
Raw Hide - the bar is closed for rennovations at the moment. They had a fire there 10 days ago.
The only stunning girl I saw yesterday stood in front of Suzie Wong and seams to work there. Absolutely beautiful, Isaan girl, dark skin, eyes like diamonds - eye catching. I was tempted to go in there to watch her dancing, she was obviously a dancer there dressed in a silk bathrobe the dancers usually wear when they stand outside of the bars.
[b]Sharks[/b]
But I decided to skip Suzie Wong's - the first SMS were popping up, Mrs. G. was suspicious about my whereabout. I replied I was in Cowboy - and all hell broke loose :). But that's a different story.
I walked into Sharks, at around 9:15 pm. It had some crowd, but there were still benches in good observation position free. The girls quality is quite high - if one likes young and skinny girls. Most of the girls there are younger than 25, and have really good bodies. But - if they have breasts they are faked, otherwise they are [nearly] invisible (ok, I admit, that's a bit exaggerated). Seams that this bar has a special concept for a specific type of girl. Faces are mostly average - I did not see a really beauty - but we all know: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The bar seams to be well organized, the drink came fast, announcements to the girls when dancing shifts had to change. Music system excellent, crystal clear sound. Half of the customers Asian (I was surprised), Japanese and Korean, this has obviously change, when I was last time there 2 years ago this was a farang bar.
If somebody likes this type of girl Sharks can be recommended.
[b]The Penalty Spot[/b]
On my way back to Soi 33 I passed by another new place that opened just a few weeks ago - The Panalty Spot. Restaurant and bar. The owner is German, as I heard the same owner as Tilac bar in Soi Cowboy. Some girls were there, obviously girls from Tilac.
The bar is very nicely designed, a huge investment, and has a small outside area for smokers, too.That area was quite crowded, inside the bar only a few tables occupied. The problem with the outside area is that it is directly located at the Sukhumvit road. It is very noisy when the cars are passing by, and all the exhaust gases and the street dust ...
Then menu shows German and Thai food. I tried some German food - no comment. Let's give this place a chance to improve, they just opened. But if you really want to eat Germany food Otto's in Soi 20 is still the place to go, and the German Beer House in Soi 11 has also good German food.
I think that The Penalty Spot will be there for some months, and then disappear. The location is too bad, and though the place is really cozy there will not be enough customers to establish a reasonable business on the long term.
...
I made my way back to Livingstone's - our place was quite crowded last night. Both restaurant and Sports Lounge had customers, staff and girls busy. Some new girls had their first day - and it was Maids Party day. I sat with a customer until late, discussing all issues of this world. He always stopped talking in the middle of his sentences when a maid was passing by. Finally he left me alone at my desk ( :(, such a Bestard) - and joined the maids in the bar. What do they have what I don't have :) ?
Later Mrs. G. discovered that I was back and killed me - and now I am dead. Too sad!
Giotto
[QUOTE=Adelante Siempre]...
Because then the total cost is still B1600 per girl.[/QUOTE]Adelante Siempre,
Yes, quite cheap, right :) ?
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Yesterday I somehow needed to get out of Livingstone's for some time, and decided to walk around a bit...Later Mrs. G. discovered that I was back and killed me - and now I am dead. Too sad! Giotto[/QUOTE]I stopped in Livingstone's Lodge last night for dinner with GF#2 (recently upgraded from Gik status). I was hoping to see the Skykorsky but he was resting (or, more likely, busy).
We enjoyed a great light meal by the pool -- Ms. Udon says, "the best Laab Moo in town" -- (wind chill factor 10x last night...brrr). The LL wait staff is definitely the friendliest in town. The comely "maids" looked a little [i]chilled,[/i] too
GF was freezing so we went to find a drink on the way home to Chong Nonsi. Ended up at a noisy Patpong beer bar drinking out of paper cups. Election, what election? An mildly entertaining variety of people were out and about, including a lot of busty, lusty, over-the-hill [i]farang[/i] tourist women (?).
While buzzing along at 100kph in the taxi near Chula, I couldn't help but think that a night out in Bangkok with a pretty Thai woman is about as much fun as an [i]old skibum[/i] can have in the latter half of life. [i]Ahhhh...[/i]
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.[/QUOTE]
I second that, as in verifying that such prices are available and agreeing we should make sure they stay there as long as possible- or even drop further.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I stopped in Livingstone's Lodge last night for dinner with GF#2 (recently upgraded from Gik status). I was hoping to see the Skykorsky but he was resting (or, more likely, busy).
We enjoyed a great light meal by the pool -- Ms. Udon says, "the best Laab Moo in town" -- (wind chill factor 10x last night...brrr). The LL wait staff is definitely the friendliest in town. The comely "maids" looked a little [i]chilled,[/i] too
GF was freezing so we went to find a drink on the way home to Chong Nonsi. Ended up at a noisy Patpong beer bar drinking out of paper cups. Election, what election? An mildly entertaining variety of people were out and about, including a lot of busty, lusty, over-the-hill [i]farang[/i] tourist women (?).
While buzzing along at 100kph in the taxi near Chula, I couldn't help but think that a night out in Bangkok with a pretty Thai woman is about as much fun as an [i]old skibum[/i] can have in the latter half of life. [i]Ahhhh...[/i][/QUOTE]
I arrived back from Panthip Plaza just a little late, maybe around 8.30 and had dinner with Auntie G, comparing Gik notes LOL. Yes its a pity I missed you.
Took a stroll down Soi Cowboy on Friday - was pretty crowded but still had a good time.
Fanny's - Usually my first stop, as the draft beer is only 60 baht, and the bartender is a nice looker. Unfortunately she wasn't there, and they've hired this new girl to be in charge of drink orders who is a complete btch. Doesn't smile at all - just wants you to drink your drink and then get out. Needless to say, I did just that.
Deja Vu - Hadn't been in here for awhile - definitely some nice lookers dancing. They advertise that they have draft beer all night for 90 baht. Unfortunately the glass they give you is pretty small. Bought one lady drink for this girl - nice enough, easy to talk to. But I balked when she told me her rates - 2,000 for ST and 4,000 for LT. Out I went.
Baccara - I only go in here because they've got the hottest girls on Cowboy dancing upstairs - best tits on the soi are on display here. But most of these girls only want to go with the Japanese clientele that riddle the place, and if you're not Japanese, it takes some effort for them to notice you. It was towards the end of the night so there weren't very many girls left upstairs. Called one over. She's 27, has a kid. Bought her a drink because she seemed nice enough. She downed it in less than a minute and then asked for a soda and some water. She also wanted 2,000 for ST. Goodbye.
Suzie Wong's - Stopped here last. Had a seat, ordered a beer lao and was looking for my usual girl, Gai, but alas she wasn't there. However, I did spot this 23-year old hottie, Nan. Called her over - she's tall and slim and easy on the eyes. Bought her a drink and she started giving me a lap dance, girating her hips into my groin - she's got a great ass. When I asked her rate she said 2,000 ST and 3,000 LT. Are these the going rates? Who is paying this? I said no way and the price came down to 1500 ST and 2500 LT. Still too expensive (I know, I'm cheap - but I know what the prices SHOULD be). I told her that I was in this bar a few months ago and took a girl for 1500 LT. She thought about it for a few minutes and then agreed -- success! It was the end of the night, so it was really up to her whether or not she wanted to be barfined tonight. I doubt this would have worked at 10pm. Anyway, had two shags, but she was adament in the no picture policy (sorry guys).
[QUOTE=Mangofan]When I asked her rate she said 2,000 ST and 3,000 LT. Are these the going rates? Who is paying this? I said no way and the price came down to 1500 ST and 2500 LT. Still too expensive (I know, I'm cheap - but I know what the prices SHOULD be). I told her that I was in this bar a few months ago and took a girl for 1500 LT. [/QUOTE]
You can't blame them for trying and not showing weakness in negotiating. Many sex tourists can afford to pay 3k for long time, and do if they are not good negotiators and their dick is taking control. For a really top girl, she will get it no problem.
O.K. yours was probably not quite in that ccategory.
$100 for the whole night is really an incredibly good deal compared to their home country where would cost a fortune.
They don't know about the old times. I do remember my first Soi Cowboy girl for 300 Baht LT (but she average looking).
[QUOTE=Mangofan]...When I asked her rate she said 2,000 ST and 3,000 LT. Are these the going rates? Who is paying this? I said no way and the price came down to 1500 ST and 2500 LT. Still too expensive (I know, I'm cheap - but I know what the prices SHOULD be)...[/QUOTE]
Well, that was then, and this is now, my friend. Many of the upper end go-go girls in Pattaya are demanding the same amount, (and getting it), but not from me. (I'm cheap too and know what prices should be, but these girls don't seem to give a shit about what I think) :)
So, I watch the show and sip on my 50 baht happy hour gin and tonic while thinking about where I'll go to find something reasonable.
BTW -- these prima dona's are often the worst starfish in the sea.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.[/QUOTE]
I've been banging the thai's and Russkies in Pattaya and Bkk since Dec. and the economy here is pretty bad.
This means that the guys paying 2000 and up + barfine for average poon are uneducated or too eager and desperate.
The max I have been paying is 1K and that includes the Indians, Russians and Uzbeki's.
Fight inflation!
[QUOTE=Giotto]Some couples, standard monger couples (older farang man with young Thai woman walking hand in hand), some tourists couples (not walking hand in hand). [/QUOTE]
Muahaha, great line!
Tourist couples in Bangkok are one thing, but I was surprised at the number of tourist couples strolling down Walking Street in Pattaya (some with kids in tow). I was a bit less surprised that the Madam's smile usually looked a bit sour.
After a late night of drinking and an earlier ST with a tiny spinner from one of the Cowboy Go-Gos, I decided to have a few more drinks at one of the bars that appear on the Asoke sidewalk near the station entrance. Everything else was closed and, not fancying a long walk down Suk, one thing led to another and I ended up back in the hotel with 'Whecar' (sp).
Age - 30
From - Buriram
Face - 5/10
Body - 7/10. Very tiny body and tight pussy
Service - 8/10. Not the most initiative but very obliging and service minded when provided with minimal prompting.
Services - BBBJ (long and very wet), GFE, FS - all positions. Anal not on the menu. 2 shots then curled up nicely for the evening (morning). Another shot before she smiled nicely and left
Cost - LT 2000
PS. Excellent new hotel in Suk Soi 19 - Sasha's Hotel Uno. Walking distance to Cowboy and NEP. GF and fantastic rooms with all the mod cons. Could have 5 or 6 people in the powerful and hot shower- USD37 through Agoda
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[QUOTE=Bill]The max I have been paying is 1K and that includes the Indians, Russians and Uzbeki's.
Fight inflation![/QUOTE]
Just gor couriosity, where did you find indian hooker? Btw. did somebody made experience with black babes at lower Sukhomvith? When I was there last November I saw some black hookers, one I asked for the price. Was quite high, but negotiable. I didn't took her because first I wasn't sure if I could get her in my Hotel, the dawin staff are sometimes not easy going and second she didn't provide anal sex.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]
While buzzing along at 100kph in the taxi near Chula, I couldn't help but think that a night out in Bangkok with a pretty Thai woman is about as much fun as an [i]old skibum[/i] can have in the latter half of life. [i]Ahhhh...[/i][/QUOTE]
While it has been awhile since I spent the evening with a Thai girl and I do not dispute the "fun level" of such an evening. I think that you are doing yourself a diservice if you don't at least try to take a similar opportunity with one the the available senioritas from Argentina........ellas estan muy caliente!
The best part is age aside, you are enjoying a part of life that your buddies can only dream ( and some of those are of the wet variety)about.....
It truly is a wonderful world sometimes......viva la differernce!
[QUOTE=Centaurus]
...but I was surprised at the number of tourist couples strolling down Walking Street in Pattaya (some with kids in tow). I was a bit less surprised that the Madam's smile usually looked a bit sour.[/QUOTE]
Serves her right for leaving the family holiday arrangements in hubby's hands :D
Probably East Europeans - they seem to think that Pattaya with its nondescript beach, dirty sea and general scuzziness and overcrowding to be an attractive destination for a beach holiday.
Same applies to the Taiwanese (at least I think they are Taiwanese or maybe Koreans who troop along Beach Road like schoolkids behind a tour guide with a flag, go on boat trips and then get cheap, nasty plastic photo plates as souvenirs), and increasingly to visitors from the sub-continent.
I imagine it must be the cheap package price that attracts them same as Benidorm still attracts holidaymakers with small budgets.
[QUOTE=DG69]Just gor couriosity, where did you find indian hooker? Btw. did somebody made experience with black babes at lower Sukhomvith? When I was there last November I saw some black hookers, one I asked for the price. Was quite high, but negotiable. I didn't took her because first I wasn't sure if I could get her in my Hotel, the dawin staff are sometimes not easy going and second she didn't provide anal sex.[/QUOTE]
She was found in the Biergarten soi 7?
I asked one black girl by the rest of the freelancers near foodland where she was from and she replied Tanzania.
IMHO all the black girls were butt ugly except 1. Very fat.
It seems there are alot of black men from Africa in Bkk these days.
They are very loud, hang around certain streets looking suspicious, and don't take girls. 2 of them tried to befriend me out of the blue and I ignored them.
I'm not being a bigot, but a thai lighter vendor said she had to call the cops on one African national for driving customers away from her business.
[QUOTE=Bill]She was found in the Biergarten soi 7?
I asked one black girl by the rest of the freelancers near foodland where she was from and she replied Tanzania.
IMHO all the black girls were butt ugly except 1. Very fat.
It seems there are alot of black men from Africa in Bkk these days.
They are very loud, hang around certain streets looking suspicious, and don't take girls. 2 of them tried to befriend me out of the blue and I ignored them.
I'm not being a bigot, but a thai lighter vendor said she had to call the cops on one African national for driving customers away from her business.[/QUOTE]
Good idea to ignore them. Lots of stories coming out of some of the scams and muggings the Africans have been pulling in the area. The police are making arrests all the time now, and there seems to be an epidemic of scams, which start when some one is foolish enough to answer the "hey friend" enquiries and naive questions.
Anyone who greets you in lower Suk with "hi friend" is anything but friend. And there are no naive questions - just openers to separate you from your hard earned. Getting to be a creepy place, and if it were not for a couple of restaurants I enjoy there, I would give the whole area a pass.
for my first time in bangkok i also tried tulip and sazanka, but you’ll find the related report in the "massage parlors" thread
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in search of a way to help me digest a rather curry-heavy lunch, i showed up at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8 around 2pm.
there were 5 girls available, and i chose what i thought was the better-looking one: nok.
she only speaks few words of english, and while she put effort into her job, her technique isn’t that special. i got a much better bj at tulip and eden, for example. maybe, considering it’s only a bj, i shouldn’t have selected a cute girl, but asked the mamasan who was the best performer.
at 700 baht, nothing to complain though!
eden
plenty has already been said about eden, so i’ll be brief.
at about 8pm, out of a line-up of ten girls, most of which stood on the good side of the yellow line, i choose som, and in turn she picked her friend naa (or nat).
som is of medium height, has long black hair cut western style, a nice pair of boobs and a firm butt. she hinted at being a couple of years younger than thirty.
her friend was not so good-looking, probably over thirty and didn’t speak english, but very tall. in fact her height and pronounced cheekbones made me think she was malesyan, but was actually thay instead.
they worked well as a couple, completely played out and satisfied my fantasies, and were actually disappointed when they didn’t manage to make me come a third time during the standard 90 minutes.
it’s been said, and i fully agree, that this is not a place for shy guys: those girls are wild! personally i would suggest to go there with already some kind of storyboard in your mind of what you’d like to do: i started off rather passive, being ordered around by the girls, who were clearly following some kind of pre-arranged pattern (lie down, raise your hips, and so on.), but once i started asking and telling them what i wanted, they fed of of it and became much more natural and fun to be with. i’d never been to a place like this before, and i’m sure i could easily get addicted. two thumbs up!
final consideration
in bangkok, in exchange for 9600 baht (tips included), i:
-visited 4 different establishments
-was serviced by 5 different girls
-for a total of roughly 6 hours
-during which i came 6 times
add to this the excellent quality and variety of the service, and what you get is a mind-boggling bargain.
i am not an experienced monger, nor i have visited the whole world, but i doubt this city can be beaten when it comes to value for money.
while i didn’t bar-fine any girl, i also visited the go go bars in soi cowboy.
baccara:
the see-through ceiling is of course a fun attraction, but on my visit there wasn’t a single good-looking girl.
suzie wong:
average-looking girls, but the lesbian show got me in the mood.
long gun:
girls go from short-chubby-uglies to very good-looking, and you can get to see all of them fully naked.
shark:
on consecutive nights this is the go go bar where i saw the largest amount of stunners.
hotel
during my three nights in bkk i only visited establishments along sukhumvit road, and in that regard the twin towers hotel ([url]www.thetwintowershotel.com[/url]) is not strategically placed: you have to walk about 15 minutes to get to a bts station, and if you opt for taxis or tuk tuks, because of the direction traffic lanes run on sukhumvit, they have to make long detours to reach otherwise fairly close places.
moreover, while it is girlfriendly, they ask 700 baht per guest.
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[QUOTE=Biz99]Good idea to ignore them. Lots of stories coming out of some of the scams and muggings the Africans have been pulling in the area. The police are making arrests all the time now, and there seems to be an epidemic of scams, which start when some one is foolish enough to answer the "hey friend" enquiries and naive questions.
Anyone who greets you in lower Suk with "hi friend" is anything but friend. And there are no naive questions - just openers to separate you from your hard earned. Getting to be a creepy place, and if it were not for a couple of restaurants I enjoy there, I would give the whole area a pass.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what nationality these Africans are, but as someone who works on the fringes of classified national intelligence and in a field where I have contact with many nationalities on a daily basis by protecting and securing my nations border, I can say that if these African folk are Nigerian, I would be extremely weary.
Besides narcotics and internet/email, Nigerians are seemingly behind every conceivable scam going around and are very good at it - I wasn't surprised on my last visit to discover a spate of ATM skimming along Suk and Nana and now fake bank notes. The skimming has been attributed to a Romanian syndicate, but the Nigerians rarely get their hands dirty.
[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]
Moreover, while it is girlfriendly, they ask 700 baht per guest.
/QUOTE]
Girlfriendly in our use of the word has nothing to do with being friendly. Rather, does the hotel charge an extra fee for guests. So, in this case, the hotel in not girlfriendly. Otherwise, thanks for your excellent report.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Yesterday I somehow needed to get out of Livingstone's for some time, and decided to walk around a bit.
.....
[b]Rainbow 4[/b] - some customers in there, but it was early. Around 50 girls dancing, average quality, some really young and skinny ones, some lookers - but I wasn't really impressed. A mamasan came to me and asked for a drink. A mamasan asked for a drink!!! OK - that was it, I was out of there.
...
[b]Sharks[/b]
I walked into Sharks, at around 9:15 pm. It had some crowd, but there were still benches in good observation position free. The girls quality is quite high - if one likes young and skinny girls. Most of the girls there are younger than 25, and have really good bodies. But - if they have breasts they are faked, otherwise they are [nearly] invisible (ok, I admit, that's a bit exaggerated). Seams that this bar has a special concept for a specific type of girl. Faces are mostly average - I did not see a really beauty - but we all know: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
....
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Giotto aroused my interest so I decided to check out Rainbow 4 first.
Some quite pretty faces, some beautiful bottoms, but usually not on same girl. Out of 50 girls only two danced like they were alive and the rest all totally bored. Called a couple of girls over for drinks.
No girl really was my type totally. One very pretty but no bottom at all.
The music was far too fast and caused girls difficulty to dance. DJ needs to be fired, as he doesn't understand that a gogo is not a disco.
Then tried Shark.
This time the music was much better and helped the girls to dance with some life. Probably girls not quite as pretty as Rainbow 4 overall but give a better impression. A slim tall girl (168 cm) from KamphaengPhet with a face to my spec (face and nose not wide ) soon grabbed my complete attention. Bought her a drink and then had to get her BFed very quickly as a Japanese and another Farang were showing desire to BF her too.
She had some beer and belgium chocolates back at my room.
Great kisser and good on the bed. Got two pops out of me before sleeping, which is rare for me. Clearly likes sex when the girl starts up the second round of her own accord without me initiating anything. A definite to repeat. Even speaks English quite well despite only a 15 day course. Her mother taught her English also and she watches Farang movies and teaches herself from books. Like my last GF, really into listening to music. Artistic type?
[QUOTE=Sainter21]Not sure what nationality - I can say that if these African folk are Nigerian, I would be extremely weary.[/QUOTE]You are 100% right with what you are saying about Nigerians, if they approach you on the street, just walk away, always bad news for sure, there box with money tricks is so bottomless, unbelievable.
JE
Yes, these guys are definitely Nigerians, I have noticed several of them last year in the SUK area, I know that kind of guys pretty well, more that happy not having to deal directly with them as they are the biggest scam you can imagine, these guys are smart and many of them are well educated and using there skills in the money and fraud business.
In many European counties they are the master brains behind the big lottery scam’s, fe last year, a gang of about 100 Nigerians have been arrested in Spain for this, (only a little top of the iceberg) the fraud was many millions of Euros taken from people that have received a letter that looks like it comes from the officially county lottery, saying you win a big amount of money in that lottery and so on, but! First you have to pay to there account in advance the so called " bank and transfer cost, etc. " bull Sh. T of course, and people have never seen there winning money afterwards, of course not.
Scam on Fake Euro bills, all kind of money change tricks on the street! BE AWARE! , camera’s placed above the ATM machine outside a bank to know your pin code and copy your card in the ATM groove, this still happens daily in other EU city’s, guy’s from Congo working the same business.
The night life area in Tokyo was so nice and clean till about 7 years ago and a certain day the Nigerian gangs arrived there little by little over the years, thought no gang could beat the Japanese guys in there own territory, looks like I was wrong. Last time I was in Tokyo think 2 years ago I could not believe my eyes, Nightlife area is completely taken over by these black guys, running the whole business now and most Geisha houses are occupied with black or Easter block girls, just imagine, these guy’s are working so aggressively in the streets, scaring.
Think that our members from Liverpool, London, Hamburg etc have seen the same happen in there city’s as well
Lets hope that BKK night life will not move in the same direction as Tokyo and that Thai police will accommodate them rapidly in the Hilton, must say, they all have a Elephant skin towards other people, police and justice, just say away from it.
John Euro
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I agree with everything below about avoiding scam-scum-bags from Afrigaa.
To the fellow who bolted when "the Mamasan asked me to buy her a lady-drink, ".take a note, that can be a valuable investment. If you're nice about it, she will often keep an eye out for you. Maybe help you avoid a katoey, maybe guide you to a friendly gal or steer you clear of a known troublemaker if you head in that direction. She might even send a cutie your way. It's a bit like tipping the maitre'd and getting a good table, right? Jck
Tonight Centaurus and I tried a few other bars in Soi Cowboy. Most had a fairly low standard of pretty girls, dancing, and shows.
Bars that were quite good a year or two ago seem very ordinary now.
I would only go back to Suzi Wong for fun shows and OK girls or Shark for some pretty girls. Long Gun is boring for me unless one particular girl is there.
The rest are pretty useless to me.
We didn't look in Baccara as assumed for Japanese.
[QUOTE=Westsider]Girlfriendly in our use of the word has nothing to do with being friendly. Rather, does the hotel charge an extra fee for guests. So, in this case, the hotel in not girlfriendly. Otherwise, thanks for your excellent report.[/QUOTE]Hi Westsider!
I thought girlfriendly meant any hotel that, regardless of a fee it may be asking, will accept visiting, obvious p4p girls, as opposed to those hotels who will not let you go upstairs with an "escort" regardless of how much money you throw at them. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to correct me.
Happy mongering!
[QUOTE=Bill]I've been banging the thai's and Russkies in Pattaya and Bkk since Dec. and the economy here is pretty bad.
This means that the guys paying 2000 and up + barfine for average poon are uneducated or too eager and desperate.
The max I have been paying is 1K and that includes the Indians, Russians and Uzbeki's.
Fight inflation![/QUOTE]
Where do you find the Indians or Russians?
[QUOTE=John Euro]You are 100% right with what you are saying about Nigerians, if they approach you on the street, just walk away, always bad news for sure, there box with money tricks is so bottomless, unbelievable.
JE[/QUOTE]
I dated a Nigerian stripper from the Deja Vu for a while back in the US a few years ago. 21 years old and great body but only average sex, so that ended after a few months. She told me flat out that scams are the national pastime there. Her quote was, "Nigerians are very good at scams", be it street, computer, or business dealings. I was unfamiliar with this type of behavior before, but after reading some of the reports, her words echo in my brain.
My wonder now would be, what are the gem scammers going to do? God I hope BKK is not ruined by this. That would be a tragedy of immense proportions. Hopefully not.
[QUOTE=Jackzonian]I agree with everything below about avoiding scam-scum-bags from Afrigaa.
To the fellow who bolted when "the Mamasan asked me to buy her a lady-drink, ".take a note, that can be a valuable investment. If you're nice about it, she will often keep an eye out for you. Maybe help you avoid a katoey, maybe guide you to a friendly gal or steer you clear of a known troublemaker if you head in that direction. She might even send a cutie your way. It's a bit like tipping the maitre'd and getting a good table, right? Jck[/QUOTE]
>>>>>>>>>>>WRONG<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mammasans couldn't care less. Mammasans/Pappasans would steal the penny's from under a dead man's eyes or try to prevent a girl from being whisked off to a better life in a better country by some fool during the high season. I saw some goober take a post-op katooee from a bar on Soi 8 in Pattaya and the Fat-Dragon-Skank Mmasn was chuckling how the guy didn't know and telling me to buy this person or that person a drink and trying to work me into one of her girl's soi 8 hollywood production of how her brother was very sick (and soon to die). I've just seen it too many times. I didn't leave, I just told her she should buy the drinks and that I had seen "too mutt" bar girls with sick brothers. I explained that I might buy the pooying that just sah-moked my johnson a beer or a juice (no bacardi coolers!!) but nobody else. When the girl shows up having convulsions after she pretends to have gotten the bad news about the dead family member I have to hide my face because while everybody is boohooing I am laughing because I have see the same show too many times. In other countries the mammasans monitor the cell phones while the hoze sleep to make sure nobody is going to do any freelancing and the MS will to try to sell the guy an LT for the next day. If thai hoze are better paid than a college professor you can just imagine the dinero that a Mammasan in a big place pulls. Don't ever for one minute think that the Mamma/Pappa would look out for a farhang!!!
I will be arriving in Bangkok for my first visit. I was told to stay near Nana plaza because everything you could want is there. Where to stay?
I was planning a very quiet evening last night, Takeout dinner and a movie in the comfort of my condo. I even called Mick while I was out in the street buying dinner (yes, I like street vendor food).
Upon arriving home I got an sms from an old Gik (not in age, but one I have not seen in a while). Here is her text:
“I lonely tonight, boyfriend not Bangkok, I want dinner you, I miss you jub jub”
I was a little puzzled because out of the blue a few months back she fell off the grid. It looks like she is in need of company (Thai ladies hate to be alone, they often ask men to accompany them for dinner only just so they do not feel lonely) so with that in mind I decided to sms her back:
“ok, I am hungry, see you at Emporium in 20mn” … “Dai Kha” was her answer.
To cut the evening short, we had Japanese dinner + went to see a movie of her choice. After the movie we went for ice cream and I could sense she was waiting for me to invite her to my place. I had plans to try my healed dick on Wednesday with a soapie but, the silent invitation was too good to pass up.
She is a Uni Student that has a Farang boyfriend/sponsor living Overseas as well as a thai brother (Boyfriend).
Arriving at my place she behaved as if she lived there for ages, going to the bedroom’s bathroom and checking out the different amenities (looking for evidence of another female perhaps?)
One thing led to another and we were passionately kissing, fondling each other’s “forbidden parts”. The first sex session (in the shower) was very quick but I did shot a very big load (due to my lack of sex for the last 12 days). She got 4 pops out of me (total) and I now feel completely drained! What a good feeling and I could not have asked for a better comeback.
I did get worried during the last pop because I felt a little itchiness but all is fine. I told her I had plans for the next nights to be spent with male friends (never tell a lady you will meet another girl…) and she made me promise to call her again. Her Farang BF will only be back this summer for holidays (he pays for her school, her apartment + pocket money, what a fool).
Anyhow, hopefully I won’t be as cranky now and I apologize if I have offended anyone while “suffering from lack of sex” :D
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
$100 for the whole night is really an incredibly good deal compared to their home country where would cost a fortune.
[/QUOTE]
I think that is essential problem that some people keep comparing prices with what they would have paid ay home, which is irrelevant. Another place, another market. 100$ is an incredibly good deal compared to anything for a Thai girl as well. :)
[QUOTE=Tim Bone]I think that is essential problem that some people keep comparing prices with what they would have paid ay home, which is irrelevant. Another place, another market. 100$ is an incredibly good deal compared to anything for a Thai girl as well. :)[/QUOTE]
I am only pointing out that newbies to town will think $100 foir the night is an incredible deal in their eyes. And therefore lots of guys will pay it.
On the other hand, a very top class Soapy girl that I know would not even consider $100 for the night. Doesn't interest her.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]IHer Farang BF will only be back this summer for holidays (he pays for her school, her apartment + pocket money, what a fool).[/QUOTE]Amazing that in this day and age such suckers can hold a job to be able to pay for this stuff.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...She got 4 pops out of me (total)...[/QUOTE]
Yes, but did SHE get any? :D
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yes, but did SHE get any? :D[/QUOTE]
hahaha, that was mean!
Yes she got her fair share ;)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Tonight Centaurus and I tried a few other bars in Soi Cowboy. Most had a fairly low standard of pretty girls, dancing, and shows.
Bars that were quite good a year or two ago seem very ordinary now.
I would only go back to Suzi Wong for fun shows and OK girls or Shark for some pretty girls. Long Gun is boring for me unless one particular girl is there.
The rest are pretty useless to me.
We didn't look in Baccara as assumed for Japanese.[/QUOTE]
You know, I thought it was just me. I was just thinking that a) I can spend a lot of time in Soi Cowboy without finding a pretty girl that shows any interest in me, and b) I wish I was Japanese.
Baccara is probably worth a visit if you're in Soi Cowboy anyway though. The other night I got a real cutie on the second floor, and narrowly missed getting her equally fetching friend who was barfined by another farang. Still, you're invisible to many of the hotter girls if you're not Japanese.
I was at Tilacs last night and the younger Japanese guy sitting near me was approached by an absolute stunner. He blew her off, and wound up with a younger girl with that petulant schoolgirl look. Neither girl, of course, would even glance in my direction.
Soi Cowboy is still entertaining and you can get lucky but it's getting a bit too much like the real world where you have to factor a lot of rejection into your nightime equations.
And speaking of Japanese, Thermae now is so bad it's funny. You have a better shot statistically with your hotel receptionist or the clerk at the 711 than with most of the girls there. I managed to pull one the other night but only because I think she was getting just a bit long in the tooth for the Japanese guys. Turned out to be fantastic service and great attitude - "you so tall, I'm so lucky, I don't like Japanese" then anal and CIM - but she was the exception and none of her friends at Thermae had the slightest interest in farangs.
As an amusing aside, on the longish walk back to my hotel, we knew, between us, every Sukhumvit streetwalker we encountered. I remembered about a year ago PMing Mick to ask about daytime mongering because back then my health wasn't so great and I functioned best in the mornings. Now I can and do monger all night long. The prescription that restored me? Two young ladies taken daily.
[QUOTE=Keithkeith]I will be arriving in Bangkok for my first visit. I was told to stay near Nana plaza because everything you could want is there. Where to stay?[/QUOTE]You couldn't get any closer than the Nana Hotel:
[url]http://www.nanahotel.co.th/html/index.html[/url]
Some people prefer more high-class hotels, like J W Marriott which is only a block away from Nana Plaza:
[url]http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/bkkdt-jw-marriott-hotel-bangkok/[/url]
But the Nana Hotel is very adequate and has a good breakfast buffet.
I'll be there for 4 weeks, beginning this coming weekend. I'm having trouble getting my ISG Subscription activated, but if I can get it going I'll send you a private message and maybe we can get together.
Great Guy
[QUOTE=Tim Bone]I think that is essential problem that some people keep comparing prices with what they would have paid ay home, which is irrelevant. Another place, another market. [/QUOTE]It is totally relevant to me because the huge price difference is the reason why I cum to LOS. By cuming here I save tens of thousands of dollars vs what one would pay in Canada, and which I could not afford at home. I'd be getting much less poon in the Western world for what I spend here. Not only that, it might be difficult if not impossible to find the same kind of hot ladies that are widely available in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Keithkeith]I will be arriving in Bangkok for my first visit. I was told to stay near Nana plaza because everything you could want is there. Where to stay?[/QUOTE]The Nana hotel right across the street from Nana plaza, that is NEP.
For more info please see the Bangkok Hotels thread.
PS, I'd suggest you RTFF, but not everyone has three years to waste.
[QUOTE=Washburn]
I was at Tilacs last night and the younger Japanese guy sitting near me was approached by an absolute stunner. He blew her off, and wound up with a younger girl with that petulant schoolgirl look. Neither girl, of course, would even glance in my direction.
[/QUOTE]
My problem at Tilacs is that clothed girls are a bit tame, unless they are stunning. I prefer to at least see the tits before taking a bargirl. But I will try it again.
I nearly forgot to mention that Deja Vu looked almost "dead" with very few girls and some other bars have just too few girls to be taken seriously.
[QUOTE=Keithkeith]I will be arriving in Bangkok for my first visit. I was told to stay near Nana plaza because everything you could want is there. Where to stay?[/QUOTE]
Nana Plaza is the best place for Ladyboys LOL, but I'm not recommending that. Some other good bars.
If you like gogo bars, stay midway between Nana and Soi Cowboy or somewhere in between.
If you like Massage Parlours of the Oily variety, then its better to stay close to Phrom Phong BTS Station, which is my current mode, as not too far from Soi Cowboy and the underground rail too.
I agree on every single words.
bargirls are *****s and mamasan/papasan are pimps.
And both of them should be treated accordingly!
Italy 1974
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]>>>>>>>>>>>WRONG<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mammasans couldn't care less. Mammasans/Pappasans would steal the penny's from under a dead man's eyes or try to prevent a girl from being whisked off to a better life in a better country by some fool during the high season. I saw some goober take a post-op katooee from a bar on Soi 8 in Pattaya and the Fat-Dragon-Skank Mmasn was chuckling how the guy didn't know and telling me to buy this person or that person a drink and trying to work me into one of her girl's soi 8 hollywood production of how her brother was very sick (and soon to die). I've just seen it too many times. I didn't leave, I just told her she should buy the drinks and that I had seen "too mutt" bar girls with sick brothers. I explained that I might buy the pooying that just sah-moked my johnson a beer or a juice (no bacardi coolers!!) but nobody else. When the girl shows up having convulsions after she pretends to have gotten the bad news about the dead family member I have to hide my face because while everybody is boohooing I am laughing because I have see the same show too many times. In other countries the mammasans monitor the cell phones while the hoze sleep to make sure nobody is going to do any freelancing and the MS will to try to sell the guy an LT for the next day. If thai hoze are better paid than a college professor you can just imagine the dinero that a Mammasan in a big place pulls. Don't ever for one minute think that the Mamma/Pappa would look out for a farhang!!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Keithkeith]I will be arriving in Bangkok for my first visit. I was told to stay near Nana plaza because everything you could want is there. Where to stay?[/QUOTE]Hello Keithkeith,
You should stay at Grace Hotel near to Nana plaza on Soi3.
You will find more than your expectation.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Washburn]Soi Cowboy is still entertaining and you can get lucky but it's getting a bit too much like the real world where you have to factor a lot of rejection into your nightime equations.[/QUOTE]I've been a Soi Cowboy man practically since the start so this is rather depressing. It was after all the place where you always could count on finding nice new girls fresh off the Morchit bus.
The only consolation is that the Japanese tourist population falls off rapidly outside yearend and other holiday periods, and the girls get a bit hungrier then. But of course even that doesn't assure you decent service once you get one.
I finally made it to Livingstones tonight only to realize that I have been there before with a friend a trip or two ago. I really like the place. I regret not staying at their hotel. It's kind of like an Oasis in the middle of LOS. I didn't eat the food, but it smelled great.
There was a mamasan there that could really shoot pool. She was kind of hot too, but I wasn't sure if she was available or not and didn't want to embarrass myself. Probably not though.
I plucked up a 22 year old who started working there about 5 months ago. I could barely understand her name. Great face. Strong 8 if not 9. Body was tiny, but looked pretty good.
I paid the steep barfine, 1500 baht and took her for LT. What a waste of time. All she wanted to do was watch TV. She was very shy, only wanted to do missionary, and didn't want me to see her naked. She gave a great BBBJ for the 30 seconds she would do it. Basically, she was just awful in bed. Too bad, because she is really cute.
You win some you lose some. More opportunities tomorrow.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
Her Farang BF will only be back this summer for holidays (he pays for her school, her apartment + pocket money, what a fool).
[/QUOTE]
Where do you guys find these dishonest, ungrateful sluts? sheesh...
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]
There was a mamasan there that could really shoot pool. She was kind of hot too, but I wasn't sure if she was available or not and didn't want to embarrass myself. Probably not though.
[/QUOTE]
Available. Been taken plenty of times assuming it wasn't Mrs G.
Perhaps you exaggerate her pool ability.
With girls you don't know, ST is best option and BF at end of night when cheaper.
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]I finally made it to Livingstones tonight only to realize that I have been there before with a friend a trip or two ago. I really like the place. I regret not staying at their hotel. It's kind of like an Oasis in the middle of LOS. I didn't eat the food, but it smelled great.[/quote]There was a mamasan there that could really shoot pool. She was kind of hot too, but I wasn't sure if she was available or not and didn't want to embarrass myself. Probably not though.
I was there myself as well. Very nice place. Had a burger which was excellent. I think the mamasan's name is Som and yes she is quite hot. Didn't know she was available either. On the whole I think she is better looking than most of the girls who were there tonight.
Anyone know anything about the older one Goi (not spelling that way but that is how it sounds)? Bought her a drink and had a chat with her. Wouldn't go out of the bar with me tonight because she was going to temple in the morning. Don't know if that is the true reason or not but she asked me to come back tomorrow night and then it would be fine. Any reports on her?
AF
[QUOTE=Ronisoni]Hello Keithkeith,
You should stay at Grace Hotel near to Nana plaza on Soi3.
You will find more than your expectation.
Cheers![/QUOTE]
Ah, that is interesting, why do you recommend the Grace Hotel? As far I know, mostly Arab people check in there and they have a disco were you might find cis (mostly middle eastern republic cis) girls and arab monger. What else can you tell about Grace Hotel?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Available. Been taken plenty of times assuming it wasn't Mrs G.
Perhaps you exaggerate her pool ability.
With girls you don't know, ST is best option and BF at end of night when cheaper.[/QUOTE]
Her pool playing was really good. She hit some amazing shots. I would say she was maybe mid thirties with very long hair (about down to her butt).
Are mamasans usually available?
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]Her pool playing was really good. She hit some amazing shots. I would say she was maybe mid thirties with very long hair (about down to her butt).
Are mamasans usually available?[/QUOTE]
Sounds like Mrs. G to me. The other two mamasans hair is not that long.
The other two mamasans are available.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Sounds like Mrs. G to me. The other two mamasans hair is not that long.
The other two mamasans are available.[/QUOTE]
The other two mamasans didn't strike me as much as, I guess, Mrs. G. One, she had lighter hair, looked very chic from afar, with a nice body, but I never got a great look at her face.
I guess I just have to try with another girl there at some point. I was really impressed with the place as a cool place to hangout and might try to grab dinner there tonight depending on what time my friends want to stay out (they live here and are less into the mongering scene).
I have this bad habit of loving the look of the younger girls but wanting the service of some of the girls that are a little bit older and want to get some return business.
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]The other two mamasans didn't strike me as much as, I guess, Mrs. G. One, she had lighter hair, looked very chic from afar, with a nice body, but I never got a great look at her face.
I guess I just have to try with another girl there at some point. I was really impressed with the place as a cool place to hangout and might try to grab dinner there tonight depending on what time my friends want to stay out (they live here and are less into the mongering scene).
I have this bad habit of loving the look of the younger girls but wanting the service of some of the girls that are a little bit older and want to get some return business.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, can't help you on who to pull, it is a personal opinion and I haven't pulled a girl from there in a long time. They used to have some pretty top talent working there but now most the girls I know have moved on (usually to full sponsorship :) from ISG guys ).
Confused... LL is open early for meals and you don't have to stay out late at all. It is an easy place to meet up for a meal. I'll often meet up with folks there for a dinner meeting / get together. It's nice food, relaxing atmosphere, easy to get to, and the wait staff treat you well.
Then when you say good bye for the night you can tell them you're going to stick around for a little night cap at the bar (outside bar if you like) then walk back into the sports bar to look for some late night entertainment. Or walk around other places on Soi 33.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Where do you guys find these dishonest, ungrateful sluts? sheesh...[/QUOTE]
Uh ... Planet Earth?
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]
Are mamasans usually available?[/QUOTE]
Juice.... they all are available... it is just a matter of are you willing to pay as much as they want. Game On
[quote=betong]i've been a soi cowboy man practically since the start so this is rather depressing. it was after all the place where you always could count on finding nice new girls fresh off the morchit bus.
the only consolation is that the japanese tourist population falls off rapidly outside yearend and other holiday periods, and the girls get a bit hungrier then. but of course even that doesn't assure you decent service once you get one.[/quote]
you've been a soi cowboy man practically since the start? life is just a long chain of regret, sorrow, and loss, isn't it? bangkok in particular gets a little worse every year, although it's still better than everywhere else, which worsens too apace.
again last night at soi cowboy i saw hot girls accost japanese guys, while giving farang dirty looks when they looked at them at all. good-looking, well-dressed, youngish farang do not equal a middle-aged japanese guy in cowboy these days (and no, 555, i'm not talking about me, just my betters whom i've observed getting the brush-off).
on the other hand, any farang can still get accosted in soi cowboy in bars like afterskool. accosted up one wall and down the other.
as for fresh girls, angelwitch has some **** girls who have to leave when the police are coming. these, i'm assuming, would have to be reasonably fresh.
but the freshest girls are just kicking around on the street or the nep carpark, too shy to work in a go-go. pulled one the other day on the sidewalk near nep fresh off the bus that afternoon.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Uh ... Planet Earth?[/QUOTE]
I have only befriended one non-hooker Thai Chinese over my 5 of years of knowing Thailand existed and she was idiotically faithful to her abusive Aussie boyfriend. Now Filipinas I know from everywhere and the ones I knew were faithful as all hell… none were involved in the trade all had good jobs etc. Now girls that were once in the sex trade and a guy trys to “pay” them to fly straight well they get what they deserve.
Bangkok is abundant with foreigners so I don’t why some guys go there and think they have something special to bring to the table than the guys already there and "living there."
I don’t know why a guy would even consider sponsorship to a hooker or ex hooker. If you going to sponsor a chick let her be virgin from one of those remote villages :D
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]...I don’t know why a guy would even consider sponsorship to a hooker or ex hooker. If you going to sponsor a chick let her be virgin from one of those remote villages :D[/QUOTE]
Any decision to sponsor a girl from afar is a dumb decision IMHO.
Like deciding to run when you encounter a wild bear in the woods, sponsorship seems to spark a predatory reaction in the beast which leads to severe mauling and death.
Marriage often triggers the same response in women. :D
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Where do you guys find these dishonest, ungrateful sluts? sheesh...[/QUOTE]
Camfrog ;)
It's true that Grace Hotel has been an Arab hangout for decades. But a non-Arab farang is mighty welcome, if it's a quiet night. I was minding my own beer (just reconning because the place is famous and has all these signs prohibiting photos and videos) and a TG began nudging against me. She was kind of pudgy and not that attractive. Who knows, like the film of the old, she might have developed in a dark room. Didn't try.
Anyway, any experienced Bangkok traveler owes ir ro himself to visit Grace at least once.
I noticed the same welcoming attitude in the outdoors Arab bars in Pattaya. I was just scoping various places and stopped by one of these a bit inlland. Arab music was blaring but the place was not crowded. I met this really wild girl in one, but didn't BF her because I thought she was on something. Definitely low class places.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]>>>>>>>>>>>WRONG<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mammasans couldn't care less. Mammasans/Pappasans would steal the penny's from under a dead man's eyes or try to prevent a girl from being whisked off to a better life in a better country by some fool during the high season. I saw some goober take a post-op katooee from a bar on Soi 8 in Pattaya and the Fat-Dragon-Skank Mmasn was chuckling how the guy didn't know and telling me to buy this person or that person a drink and trying to work me into one of her girl's soi 8 hollywood production of how her brother was very sick (and soon to die). I've just seen it too many times. I didn't leave, I just told her she should buy the drinks and that I had seen "too mutt" bar girls with sick brothers. I explained that I might buy the pooying that just sah-moked my johnson a beer or a juice (no bacardi coolers!!) but nobody else. When the girl shows up having convulsions after she pretends to have gotten the bad news about the dead family member I have to hide my face because while everybody is boohooing I am laughing because I have see the same show too many times. In other countries the mammasans monitor the cell phones while the hoze sleep to make sure nobody is going to do any freelancing and the MS will to try to sell the guy an LT for the next day. If thai hoze are better paid than a college professor you can just imagine the dinero that a Mammasan in a big place pulls. Don't ever for one minute think that the Mamma/Pappa would look out for a farhang!!![/QUOTE]
Not true, IMHO. I agree with the previous poster that being nice to the mamasans is often worthwhile. BUT, it all depends on the attitude you bring into the bar. If you walk in reeking of "I know you're out to rip me off, and I've got my spincther clenched" then you're going to get treated badly regardless of how many drinks you buy the mamasan.
But if you're genuinely friendly and treat the mamasans with respect, they can be great allies; steering you towards the better girls, making sure you're taken care of even when the bar is busy (or full of Japanese) and generally making sure you have a good time. Being known as a friend of the mamasan's also means you get treated better in the bar and outside; girls aren't going to risk giving you a bad experience and having you complain to 'your friend'.
And once you get to know them, most mamasans can be a riot to talk to. I've learned more about Bangkok and how to handle young Thai girls from some of these ladies than I've learned on ISG - and that's saying a lot!
[QUOTE=Vittu]She was kind of pudgy and not that attractive.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the standard Grace Hotel profile.
The place has one saving er grace: they're open even on the big Buddhist holidays when almost all other bars are shut down.
[QUOTE=Washburn]On the other hand, any farang can still get accosted in Soi Cowboy in bars like Afterskool.[/QUOTE]I've always felt that the 'hands-on' bars are the real heart and soul of Cowboy (well, along with the previous incarnations of the small friendly go-gos like Five Star and Apache). Toy Bar used to be especially good fun, except that the girls were a whole lot better at extracting my money than I was at getting value for it.
[QUOTE=JD Wordsmith] I've learned more about Bangkok and how to handle young Thai girls from some of these ladies than I've learned on ISG - and that's saying a lot![/QUOTE]
I agree but it's really not "saying a lot". You will alway learn more from experience than from listening to experts spout off.
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]The other two mamasans didn't strike me as much as, I guess, Mrs. G. One, she had lighter hair, looked very chic from afar, with a nice body, but I never got a great look at her face.
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Mrs G has black hair and slim.
The mamasans have brown hair I believe.
One mamasan has very big tits (assisted?) the other has quite brown skin and a broad nose (not exactly pretty).
P.S. I don't like bar mamasans much in general. Some (not Mrs G) are rather "pushy" trying to organise customers who don't want to be organised. I have never learned anything from mamasans as their interests are biased towards getting drinks and getting girls barfined. I tolerate them. Sometimes meet one that is O.K. to talk to (Taay - ex mamasan of Suzi Wong for example). So maybe its a question of meeting the right one.
I do get a rapport with certain Soapy mamasans/papasans (Cheer-persons) who soon learn they will make good tips if they give good accurate advice about the girls and no bullshit.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]My problem at Tilacs is that clothed girls are a bit tame, unless they are stunning. I prefer to at least see the tits before taking a bargirl. But I will try it again.
I nearly forgot to mention that Deja Vu looked almost "dead" with very few girls and some other bars have just too few girls to be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]
Not wanting to believe how poor the bars were in Soi Cowboy on Monday night, I had another look last night.
First to Bacarra (spelling?). Girls on ground floor were all rather ordinary all with the wide noses. Upstairs girls were also not that pretty to my taste even once the tits were exposed. No. 7 was pretty but no tits at all. Time to move on.
Looked in Lucky Star (Long Gun). Several pretty girls (better than Monday lineup) but bodies quite average. Only the tall and aloof Miss Noi was truelly stunning - both face and body (lovely almost Cs).
Went to Shark before 9PM, seeing several pretty girls but my favourite was already bar-fined. She is very popular so its "the quick or the dead".
Decided on a Soapy visit as fall back plan.
Centaurus suggests we should check out the Sutthisan Road gogo bars for Thais near Saphan Khwai BTS, another night, with reputably better girls for lower prices, but all in the rather young age bracket, so performance might be questionable.
So I took the BTS to Tulip today thanks to a bunch of recommendations. I have been to Annies before so my expectations were a little off.
When I got there I was pretty much given a girl. I wasn't given much of a choice and unlike Annies there is no fishbowl. I like the fishbowl because I can look around and make my pick.
So i go with the girl I was given. As I am walking up the stairs I am thinking to myself "she is not my type". I would say her looks were a 7 or 7.5. Her body wasn't bad at all, but wasn't totally tight (trust me, if we are not in a MP in LOS this girl isn't giving me a second look). B cups but a little saggy. The girl's name is Kat. She says she is 25 and has a 6 year old daughter.
This girl was the TOTAL GFE! She could not have treated me better. We do the shower thing following by a quick relaxing massage. Then onto BBBJ which was really good followed by Cowgirl and then reverse cowgirl. She wasn't a wild one, and she didn't need to be because she knew how to please. I asked if for "a ride to the Mediterranean" and to my surprise she agreed without any hesitation.
We finish, or at least I finished, she was a decent actress, and she flips me over again and gives me a great massage for the rest of my time.
I thought the room was a lot cleaner looking than Annies, but I like the tub at Annies as well.
After all the ribbing, I definitely like Tulip a lot, will go back (maybe in a few hours :) ) and would definitely recommend KAT.
Thanks for the advice guys.
[quote=JuiceGuy]So I took the BTS to Tulip today thanks to a bunch of recommendations. I have been to Annies before so my expectations were a little off.
When I got there I was pretty much given a girl. I wasn't given much of a choice and unlike Annies there is no fishbowl. I like the fishbowl because I can look around and make my pick.[/quote]Both times that I've been there I was given pictures to look at. Neither time have any of the girls I wanted to see from the pictures been available. The first trip I ended up choosing a girl that was a bit chubby for my tastes but it was a great experience. This last time I tried to book Yok from abroad to find that she was only arriving after I'd be hooking up with my TGF. When I got into town and headed over I went downstairs to look at the talent and didn't recognize any of the names from the list. Rose? Melissa? I ended up at Eden and had a great time as I'm sure I would have at Tulip.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Looked in Lucky Star (Long Gun). Several pretty girls (better than Monday lineup) but bodies quite average. Only the tall and aloof Miss Noi was truelly stunning - both face and body (lovely almost Cs).[/QUOTE]I'm a fan of Soi Cowboy. But agree that it is changing. When I walk into Midnite it is like Norm walking into Cheers. The talent there has been going downhill over the past two years since I first ventured inside. The Mamasan laughs at me because I always choose the same type of lithe girls with tight bodies who don't speak English worth a spit. I really have to figure out how to pick up Thai like Mick.
Last time I was in Long Gun they'd made it a bit more narrow and it was hard for me to get my knees under the tables. Anyway I have a specific girl there that I look for. She's not a stunner but I could make out with her for weeks on end without losing interest.
Anyway, I'll just have to live vicariously through those of you in country for the next few weeks till the next trip.
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]When I got there I was pretty much given a girl. I wasn't given much of a choice and unlike Annies there is no fishbowl. I like the fishbowl because I can look around and make my pick.[/QUOTE]
They have a book at Tulips, although the pics are small and some are quite outdated. You can also go down the stairs to where most of the girls stay between customers and make your choice there, it's a lineup of sorts. The receptionists don't offer either of these options on their own, I think.
Good that you were happy with Kat. It's probably quite difficult to be disappointed by TwoLips ;)
BTW I saw Kun Saeng in a shopping today, fully dressed up... man o man she still is quite the piece of art!
[QUOTE=Centaurus]They have a book at Tulips, although the pics are small and some are quite outdated. You can also go down the stairs to where most of the girls stay between customers and make your choice there, it's a lineup of sorts. The receptionists don't offer either of these options on their own, I think.
Good that you were happy with Kat. It's probably quite difficult to be disappointed by TwoLips ;)
BTW I saw Kun Saeng in a shopping today, fully dressed up... man o man she still is quite the piece of art![/QUOTE]
Live and Learn! It all worked out for the best anyway.
I know that most responses speak of the various qualities of the girls. I am seeking opinions based totally on looks, in a situation where I can view and speak to the girls before I make my choice. Any advice would be appreciated!
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]And 800 Bht from Pattaya to that Airport with the wierd name that looks like a sci-fi circus tent is standard fare (plus tolls) and I usually give 200bht tip for the real long rides unless the driver has a bad attitude. It is a very simple thing. If going around Bangkok you don't close the door to the Cab until a)you have determined the Cabbie speaks english or If you have a card (in Thai) with the hotel name you show it to him and determine if he knows where it is. B) the meter turns on. Under no circumstances should you pay an un-metered fare without haggling. TOPS, maybe 250 bht from MoChit to KaoSan or Nana. I will tip generously if this guy is in backed up traffic[/QUOTE]The taxi drivers have always been scamming farangs in BKK. And there are many ways they can do it. Once I had a girl with me and the driver suggested a good place to eat. It was one of those places where the food is all fresh and you choose what you want. Then they weigh it and cook it up to your taste. BE WARNED! The restaurant has a way of drastically raising the price. The way it is weighed, the cooking charge, etc.
SOLUTION- Always ask total price before they cook the food!
My bill for the 2 of us when they presented it was 4, 000 bht. Well, I made a bit of a scene which did me no good at all. Just like it does no good when you freak when they tow your car. These people are used to it.
Of course the taxi was in on it. And when he got me to my final destination I refused to pay him and just walked off with my girl.
Another note about taxi's. I don't pay 250bht to go from Mo Chit to Nana by taxi. Not because of the money either. Because of time and convenience. Why should I sit in traffic when I can blast by it all on the train. I jump on the skytrain which is 60 baht or so.
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[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]I finally made it to Livingstones tonight only to realize that I have been there before with a friend a trip or two ago. I really like the place. I regret not staying at their hotel. It's kind of like an Oasis in the middle of LOS. I didn't eat the food, but it smelled great.
There was a mamasan there that could really shoot pool. She was kind of hot too, but I wasn't sure if she was available or not and didn't want to embarrass myself. Probably not though.
I plucked up a 22 year old who started working there about 5 months ago. I could barely understand her name. Great face. Strong 8 if not 9. Body was tiny, but looked pretty good.
I paid the steep barfine, 1500 baht and took her for LT. What a waste of time. All she wanted to do was watch TV. She was very shy, only wanted to do missionary, and didn't want me to see her naked. She gave a great BBBJ for the 30 seconds she would do it. Basically, she was just awful in bed. Too bad, because she is really cute.
You win some you lose some. More opportunities tomorrow.[/QUOTE]It's a coincidence, so I'd like to report on this. I've only gone to Livingstone's a few times, and the experience I'm reporting happened several months ago, in October.
Passing by, two attractively dressed girls (they always are at Livingstone's) got my attention. I was on my way for baby-back ribs at Mojo's. One was incredibly cute, so I decided to have an expensive beer as an "appertif." One for her, too. Before long she was feeding me the little pretzel sticks or whatever, from her lips to mine, you know, half-half sharing. I normally object to steep bar fines like that, but no resisting that night. She agreed to have dinner with me, and agreed to "short time" ample enought to have dinner, get to the place leisurely, have a drink first, as long as she could get to her home by 2 am.
Getting to the point, I made a date with her for her day off, and that's when we talked about business at Livingstone's, her costs for the clothes she has to wear there, the minimum number of bar fines, if not she could get fired, and what a night last night: so many customers, even Mamasan bar-fined, twice, and charged a larger bar fine than the usual.
So, she can be had.
As for the girl who was unattentive and apparently ungrateful for the bar fine, I'm sorry to hear that, and could you tell us her name, as I saw a really cute girl one evening and might go back for her, but I would not want to make a mistake by taking a listless starfish. My girl was Belle, by the way, and as I'm just back in town I don't know if she's still there.
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[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]
I asked if for "a ride to the Mediterranean" and to my surprise she agreed without any hesitation.
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Good report. But, please explain, this is a new one for me.
Slim
[QUOTE=Nvslim]Good report. But, please explain, this is a new one for me.
Slim[/QUOTE]
Hint: The Straits of Gibraltar represents the lady's anus.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Hint: The Straits of Gibraltar represents the lady's anus.[/QUOTE]
Stop fucking about! Either tell us or shut up.
[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Stop fucking about! Either tell us or shut up.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha ... come on man, use your noggin.
A "ride to the Mediterranean" is a euphemism for anal sex, analogous to a passage from the Atlantic ocean through the Straits of Gibraltar into the Mediterranean Sea.
[QUOTE=Nvslim]Good report. But, please explain, this is a new one for me.
Slim[/QUOTE]Take a look in the abbreviations sections. But it starts with A.
Your info on the best since I been to a couple in pataya but never in Bangkok. I only have a day in Bangkok and I wanted to bring a buddy of mine to one.
[QUOTE=Soi Walker]My girl was Belle, by the way, and as I'm just back in town I don't know if she's still there.[/QUOTE]
Yes, she's still there
[QUOTE=Ourtran]Your info on the best since I been to a couple in pataya but never in Bangkok. I only have a day in Bangkok and I wanted to bring a buddy of mine to one.[/QUOTE]
I am not an expert on Soapies in Bangkok. I like Tulip and Annie's for MP. I was at Annie's yesterday and had a great time with a woman named Annie. Not THE Annie. She was about 35. Great shape. Understands the functions of the body!
[QUOTE=Soi Walker]... we talked about business at Livingstone's, her costs for the clothes she has to wear there, the minimum number of bar fines, if not she could get fired, ...
[/QUOTE]Soi Walker,
Interesting to hear what the girls talk :) - there is no such rule as a "minimum number of bar fines" here at Livingstone's. That's exactly the system of pressure we don't want. It's the other way around - there is a bonus system for the girls if they make money for the bar.
Giotto
A very good lineup of pretty girls at Shark on a Friday or Saturday. Many girls. Even about 4-5 that meet my spec to be worth barfining. One is pretending to be sad that an old man has BFed her rather than me.
The music is good for dancing. No complete nudity but at least the outfits are see-through.
Drawbacks of this bar: No shows :(, so can be boring after a while but at least there are pretty girls to capture your attention. :)
This bar has improved over time with selection of girls improved from 1 year ago.
A BFed a skinny girl with cute face. She kicked my arse at playing pool back in the Hotel (used to be cashier in snooker/pool hall in Bang Sue but only 4500 per month).
Great in bed too.
I can see why she is popular and gets BFed every day, sometimes more than once.
She had several customers wanting her last night but I had got in first. This mean't she was able to show up to the bar late after browsing and eating with friends at Paragon.
Not sure if this has been discussed before, but like Shark there are lots of bars with no shows. The 'pole dancing' gets really boring but there always seem to be one or two girls who are especially energetic as opposed to doing the 'look in the mirror and shuffle'. When getting these girls back to the room do you find them to be as energetic or more likely to beg off as being tired?
On the way back from Ratchada on the MRT underground, I accidentally met a Suzi Wong BG on her way to work.
Knowing her very intimately, we were chatting. She said that Prime Minister Aphisit had repealed Thaksin's law and that from last night the bars can stay open till 3AM. Some were previously going beyond 1AM to some extent anyway.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]On the way back from Ratchada on the MRT underground, I accidentally met a Suzi Wong BG on her way to work.
Knowing her very intimately, we were chatting. She said that Prime Minister Apisit had repealed Thaksin's law and that from last night the bars can stay open till 3AM. Some were previously going beyond 1AM to some extent anyway.[/QUOTE]Its is rumoured that a lot of the Democrat "sponsorship/money" whatever you want to call it comes from the elite Bangkok alcohol barons and their families.
This is why prior to Thaksin coming into power (after a few years of Democrat rule before corruption meant they had to dissolve the house and allow new elections, which TRT won) Thai's were drinking themselves into the floor as alcohol abuse was terrible, bad enough for the King even to mention that people should control themselves more and drink less.
The cutback and restrictions on alcohol was another nail in the coffin of Thaksin, he upset the alcohol barons (who are extremely rich) and their money was involved in the PAD and the removal of him, so its said.
So now yes, Thailand should see a return to the "pro alcohol" drink as much as you can, promote it however and whenever you want to, get kids drinking, get everyone drinking times that it was prior to TRT coming into power.
Sadly, drug abuse was also rampant prior to TRT.
Sadly, lots of high power people makes lots of money from drugs, and now with the Democrats back, those people will want to make up for lost time, and sadly we might see a return of drug pushers outside all schools again countrywide and the rampant abuse of Ya Ba countrywide so its rumoured.
Already you see the alleged 2000 Baht handout (vote buying some say? ) the Democrats propose is timed to be given "just before Songkran". No doubt to ensure that most of it is spent on alcohol, so it goes from government straight into alcohol baron government sponser. Legalised corru? LOL
TIT
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My watch is showing 2046 local time in Bangkok. I am about to walk out the door of my hotel and see what I have been reading on the forums.
I have spent several hours researching so here goes! I think I will start around Nana and see where I end up.
Wish me luck!
Stopped into Eden yesterday to see what was on offer. Was there before 1pm and wasn't really looking for the usual 3some experience. Thought I would find a girl for all night take out at 10pm for the 3000 Baht. Have been there a few times and had a great experience last year with Wah (sp? ) but she had just left for an extended holiday. Too bad! If she'd been there I definitely would've seen who she would've picked for a second partner or at the very least booked her for last night. But it wasn't to be.
Thought I was there early enough to check out a full lineup but was really disappointed with what was on offer. Small group of girls (was I there too late? ) and the ones that were there were not to my taste. So ended up leaving empty handed. But the staff were pleasant were pleasant as usual and very helpful in my quest.
Maybe better luck next time.
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]I finally made it to Livingstones tonight only to realize that I have been there before with a friend a trip or two ago.
I paid the steep barfine, 1500 baht and took her for LT. What a waste of time. All she wanted to do was watch TV. She was very shy, only wanted to do missionary, and didn't want me to see her naked. She gave a great BBBJ for the 30 seconds she would do it. Basically, she was just awful in bed. Too bad, because she is really cute.
You win some you lose some. More opportunities tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
I had a poor experience with the Girl at Livingstons some time ago too. First I met Giotto and had a drink with him, nice guy. I was staying at the lodge. Then I took a girl,Fern, for LT, from the sports bar. She seemed very taken with me because I had a beard and wanted to stroke it. So far, so good.
Got to the room and she gave a short BJ. Her body was a little plump and some scarring from child birth. Boffed her in several positions while she starfished. It took me a long time but I finally came. She decided to leave as soon as I came, even though we had agreed on LT. I was very disappointed in her because of her lack of enthusiasm and early departure. However, i had already come 3 times that day so it really took some work on her part.
So I thought LL had a nice restaurant and hotel, friendly staff, Giotto is nice guy but the girls service not so good and they cost more.
EB
[QUOTE=Eric Burden]...
So I thought LL had a nice restaurant and hotel, friendly staff, Giotto is nice guy but the girls service not so good and they cost more.
...
[/QUOTE]Eric Burden,
Sorry to hear that - but these things are out of my control. And I really will not get involved into that, for obvious reasons :) ... (btw., didn't we have a TQM manager :) )?
...
[QUOTE=Eric Burden]...
She decided to leave as soon as I came, even though we had agreed on LT.
[/QUOTE]Now, that's serious. If this happens we would really like to know about it. Service is a thing we cannot control, but if a girl cheats she will be warned once, and then fired, if problems occur again.
...
Girls are a hit and a miss, as everywhere. And girls from hostess bars do not provide the same kind of service as ie. Tulip girls. Still - if the chemistry is right things will work very well.
Giotto
PS: Your visit must be long time ago, Fern does not work here any more since at least 18 months.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]...
She said that Prime Minister Aphisit had repealed Thaksin's law and that from last night the bars can stay open till 3AM. Some were previously going beyond 1AM to some extent anyway.[/QUOTE]Hmmm...
Slowly, slowly, I would have heard this news - I think its a rumour, or may be the bar owner wants the girls to stay longer because the police actually does not check much right now...
We will call the police on monday to check it out, but it is highly unlikely that this is really true.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Pita123]Not sure if this has been discussed before, but like Shark there are lots of bars with no shows. The 'pole dancing' gets really boring but there always seem to be one or two girls who are especially energetic as opposed to doing the 'look in the mirror and shuffle'. When getting these girls back to the room do you find them to be as energetic or more likely to beg off as being tired?[/QUOTE]
My view is "lazy on the pole, likely lazy in bed".
Good dancers are likely to be better but its not guaranteed if they are just putting on a sexy act.
Pole stroking doesn't impress me at all.
I spent my first of 100+ night I've spent over the last 18 months in LOS here in 2007, and although I didn't care for the lodgings, or service at check in, BUT, I had a rocken good time in the bar, and BF'd a girl there that made me sore for a week! Next morning she wouldn't let me sleep in! I had to seek out chubier ones for a while. Cant mention names but she was a spinner! (thus the pelvic soreness). Sweet memories! Great first night in LOS!!!!
[QUOTE=Eric Burden]I had a poor experience with the Girl at Livingstons some time ago too. First I met Giotto and had a drink with him, nice guy. I was staying at the lodge. Then I took a girl,Fern, for LT, from the sports bar. She seemed very taken with me because I had a beard and wanted to stroke it. So far, so good.
Got to the room and she gave a short BJ. Her body was a little plump and some scarring from child birth. Boffed her in several positions while she starfished. It took me a long time but I finally came. She decided to leave as soon as I came, even though we had agreed on LT. I was very disappointed in her because of her lack of enthusiasm and early departure. However, i had already come 3 times that day so it really took some work on her part.
So I thought LL had a nice restaurant and hotel, friendly staff, Giotto is nice guy but the girls service not so good and they cost more.
EB[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Giotto]Hmmm...
Slowly, slowly, I would have heard this news - I think its a rumour, or may be the bar owner wants the girls to stay longer because the police actually does not check much right now...
We will call the police on monday to check it out, but it is highly unlikely that this is really true.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Today talked to taxi driver. He said that the bars are able to open at least 1 extra hour. O.K. I don't know the "official" story yet. But generally some confirmation of opening later.
In case of Suzi Wong Bar, they are now closing at 3AM.
The girls are complaining a bit of course. Not enough business for their extra work hours.
[QUOTE=Belmont]I spent my first of 100+ night I've spent over the last 18 months in LOS here in 2007, and although I didn't care for the lodgings, or service at check in, BUT, I had a rocken good time in the bar, and BF'd a girl there that made me sore for a week! Next morning she wouldn't let me sleep in! I had to seek out chubier ones for a while. Cant mention names but she was a spinner! (thus the pelvic soreness). Sweet memories! Great first night in LOS!!!![/QUOTE]
Its important that people realize that Livingstone's is a boutique "Islands Style" fun hotel, that is not plush or luxurious. Mind you, the rooms are very comfortable in my opinion. Its good value for money to me with every thing I need and the great "atmosphere".
The staff are very friendly with polite customers but are not comparible with with big 4 and 5 star hotels that have a huge reception desk and an excess of reception staff.
As the staff know me well, we get to joke around a lot.
Even the manager (not Giotto) is a great joker.
I agree Mick. I stayed there for the first time last year, and it met every expectation. I was there on vacation and I didn't want lots of pomp, but a nice, relaxed friendly atmosphere with nice rooms. Livingstone's fit the bill perfectly and I look forward to my return there in April or May.
GE
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]My view is "lazy on the pole, likely lazy in bed".
Good dancers are likely to be better but its not guaranteed if they are just putting on a sexy act.
Pole stroking doesn't impress me at all.[/QUOTE]How about pole sucking and licking. Does that impress you.
Recently I recieved maybe the best BJ I've ever had, a pornstar experience. This young hottie has been well trained, whether by porn and or men from all over the world. The ladies here can teach newbies a lot about sex, and even vets a thing or two.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Eric Burden,
Sorry to hear that - but these things are out of my control. And I really will not get involved into that, for obvious reasons :) ... (btw., didn't we have a TQM manager :) )?
...
Now, that's serious. If this happens we would really like to know about it. Service is a thing we cannot control, but if a girl cheats she will be warned once, and then fired, if problems occur again.
...
Girls are a hit and a miss, as everywhere. And girls from hostess bars do not provide the same kind of service as ie. Tulip girls. Still - if the chemistry is right things will work very well.
Giotto
PS: Your visit must be long time ago, Fern does not work here any more since at least 18 months.[/QUOTE]
Girls at LL provide an experience that is far harder to obtain than the sexual athleticism of a Tulip or Eden club girl. You can get that in Farangland, it just costs more. You can't buy the sort of guileless GFE that the Thai girls offer. Sure, sometimes they're shy, or tired, or whatever, but it's incredible that you can spend so much relaxed time with them and also take advantage of their little persons for such a small expenditure of baht and energy.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]....cut.....
The girls are complaining a bit of course. Not enough business for their extra work hours.[/QUOTE]
of course the girls will complain,
Bar Owners will sell more drinks (maybe minimal, don't know how many mongers want to be out 'till 3am - not me anyway).
Will these same owners pay more monthly wage to the staff for the extra # of hours they put in each week ?- I doubt it!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]How about pole sucking and licking. Does that impress you.
Recently I recieved maybe the best BJ I've ever had, a pornstar experience. This young hottie has been well trained, whether by porn and or men from all over the world. The ladies here can teach newbies a lot about sex, and even vets a thing or two.[/QUOTE]
Not sure you are on the same topic.
We are talking about gogo "pole" dancers.
I have to say from the start that I am an avid reader, I suppose it’s because I am a newcomer to this site, not to Thailand. There are some real characters here, true blue sex mongers, it is like online learning, Mick is like the daddy of all that is Thailand. I do find it interesting that most of the guys here seem to be in unison agreement that the best sexual encounters they have had, have been in the land of smiles and with ladies of a particular job description. I am a vacation monger in as far as I only go to massage parlors and bars when my brother comes over for his holiday. The rest of the year I am married.
To the point! The best sex I have had here on numerous occasions is with married women. Ranging in age from 24-50. Yes 50! You would never think so to look at her. She loved everything. She could suck for Thailand, loved anal, and a pussy as sweet as a 16 year old. She even rented a condo for our illicit meetings. Which was very convenient for my other encounters. I did try a few twenty plus year olds. Their bodies were enough to make you cum in your pants, but as far as delivery of services (of a free nature). Mediocre to say the least. I find that women that have sex for a job can be mechanical and I suppose like most of us, habitual in the process of producing cum. Whereas a horny Thai wife who has not been touched by her mongering Thai husband for sometime, who spends his time in a massage parlor, appreciates a good shag. Don’t get me wrong I have had some good times with bar girls and my occasional massage visit, but for the best girlfriend experience, I think it will probably come from a girlfriend type relationship. I know I will probably be slated for this, but that is my experience here so far. I f you are thinking I am some sort of inexperienced sex monger, well as far as paying for it well yes I probably am, as for shagging women (free) I am up there with the rest.
As a conclusion to this post. The best sex I have ever had. Has to be in the UK. I was working the doors on a Birmingham nightclub when I met two of the horniest Jamaican girls. I was so drained after taking these two to the Hyatt, it took me a week to produce another load. But as far as the prettiest and the best GFE. Then Thailand is tops. I think the old saying "love the one your with" comes into mind. We all say the best shag was such and such, that is until the next best one, then it all changes. Or maybe a certain girl is a good shag because instead of just laying there and enjoying it, we may like her to the point of being a good shag for her. And let’s face it, two good fuckers together has got to be the fuck of the century. I keep this in mind, I have not had the best fuck of my life yet. I am still looking. I hope I never find it and am forced to keep searching until I have to have a bash at the "Angels"!
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[QUOTE=Washburn]Girls at LL provide an experience that is far harder to obtain than the sexual athleticism of a Tulip or Eden club girl. You can get that in Farangland, it just costs more. You can't buy the sort of guileless GFE that the Thai girls offer. Sure, sometimes they're shy, or tired, or whatever, but it's incredible that you can spend so much relaxed time with them and also take advantage of their little persons for such a small expenditure of baht and energy.[/QUOTE]I prefer to pay for good sex, top of the range stuff.
Paying for a "GFE" is a little sad really, GFE is avaiable for free in Bangkok with a little time and effort spent, there is a whole load of Thai girls out there who are single and desperate.
Just having someone who smiles a lot, hangs around all day, pops out to buy you something from 7-11 at the expenses of sampling the many delights Bangkok has to offer, under the guise that a GFE is somewhat better than a PSE at Tulips or Eden. Sorry, does not do it for me.
Livingstones is not cheap for what it is, its not in a great location on Soi 33, the LL girls have a large bar fine and in fact its all "there" to extract monies from lazy American sex tourists in my view. Thats fine and a good business venture if you can latch on to the "lazy US" mongers, but please, there is a Livingstongs thread on ISG that Giotto sponsers and uses for marketing of LL.
Can we therefore leave the Bangkok thread to being Bangkok without the LL.
[QUOTE=Bill]I've been banging the thai's and Russkies in Pattaya and Bkk since Dec. and the economy here is pretty bad.
This means that the guys paying 2000 and up + barfine for average poon are uneducated or too eager and desperate.
The max I have been paying is 1K and that includes the Indians, Russians and Uzbeki's.
Fight inflation![/QUOTE]
Excellent idea!
[QUOTE=El Greco]In general unless otherwise quoted in the original price
Remember money is not that important, as the big smile on your face is, after a good session. I always tip, allover the world, the ones who manage to give me that big smile.[/QUOTE]
In the soapies full service is included in the price. If you get a real good service with 2 pops and you feel that she went over the limit for you then 500-1000 is a very good tip. If she is average 300 will do. If you are not satisfied don't give them anything even if they ask. At least that's what I am doing.
Did you mean to say 50-100 baht tip? 1000 baht tip sounds unbelievable.
[QUOTE=Washburn]You can't buy the sort of guileless GFE that the Thai girls offer. [/QUOTE]
I thought that this was exactly what we were purchasing... I am confused now.
[QUOTE=Easy2007]Paying for a "GFE" is a little sad really, GFE is avaiable for free in Bangkok with a little time and effort spent, there is a whole load of Thai girls out there who are single and desperate.[/QUOTE]Indeed there are, it's just that almost always you'll 'pay' in different ways. Sticking to cash tends to keep things a whole lot simpler.
i agree with you.
paying for the so called gfe is not my cup of tea.
a very good girlfriend experience is what i have when i am in the bed with my wife.
when i am in the pay-for-pussy game i want to get wild sex and that's the reason why i pay the girls.
for this reason my favourite venues in bangkok are: tulip, eden club, star of light, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, caesar, champs elysees, spicy club, new wave pool bar and beergarden.
italy 1974
[quote=easy2007]i prefer to pay for good sex, top of the range stuff.
paying for a "gfe" is a little sad really, gfe is avaiable for free in bangkok with a little time and effort spent, there is a whole load of thai girls out there who are single and desperate.
just having someone who smiles a lot, hangs around all day, pops out to buy you something from 7-11 at the expenses of sampling the many delights bangkok has to offer, under the guise that a gfe is somewhat better than a pse at tulips or eden. sorry, does not do it for me.
livingstones is not cheap for what it is, its not in a great location on soi 33, the ll girls have a large bar fine and in fact its all "there" to extract monies from lazy american sex tourists in my view. thats fine and a good business venture if you can latch on to the "lazy us" mongers, but please, there is a livingstongs thread on isg that giotto sponsers and uses for marketing of ll.
can we therefore leave the bangkok thread to being bangkok without the ll.[/quote]
Hello
Quite right. Most tell you any BS to make you happy. Remember if they make you sad no reward in their next life. The same goes for inside information. On one of my first trips being a complete dumb ass I got inside information from a mammasan in Patpong about a new girl. According to mammasan she was perfect in every way. Too good to be true. On the hotel room a false ID (lucky because security prefered sleeping instead of checking) and the performance was the worst. After that anyone can tell me what they like I simply don't believe it and use my eyes and ears instead.
The only way to beat thai buffaloes is your memory. Thai seem to forget what they tell you earlier and so far if I liked I was able to beat them every time.
Sponsoring a bargirl is insane. You never get the bar out of the girl. In most cases family sent them to make money. Students are only a small part. The family sees everything as a business. So sponsoring for them is like a business plan. Even big farang sponsors will break their teeth in the end. So far only one good friend of mine managed to succeed. The rest failed due to several reasons including family, bar life or the famous Thai brother. And itwasn't even a girl but an lb. LOL. He had to pay the mammasan 6000 baht to get his " dolly" out of the bar forever. The idiot lb had loaned money and he was foolish enough to pay that too. Yes true love travels on gravy road.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]>>>>>>>>>>>WRONG<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mammasans couldn't care less. Mammasans/Pappasans would steal the penny's from under a dead man's eyes or try to prevent a girl from being whisked off to a better life in a better country by some fool during the high season. I saw some goober take a post-op katooee from a bar on Soi 8 in Pattaya and the Fat-Dragon-Skank Mmasn was chuckling how the guy didn't know and telling me to buy this person or that person a drink and trying to work me into one of her girl's soi 8 hollywood production of how her brother was very sick (and soon to die). I've just seen it too many times. I didn't leave, I just told her she should buy the drinks and that I had seen "too mutt" bar girls with sick brothers. I explained that I might buy the pooying that just sah-moked my johnson a beer or a juice (no bacardi coolers!!) but nobody else. When the girl shows up having convulsions after she pretends to have gotten the bad news about the dead family member I have to hide my face because while everybody is boohooing I am laughing because I have see the same show too many times. In other countries the mammasans monitor the cell phones while the hoze sleep to make sure nobody is going to do any freelancing and the MS will to try to sell the guy an LT for the next day. If thai hoze are better paid than a college professor you can just imagine the dinero that a Mammasan in a big place pulls. Don't ever for one minute think that the Mamma/Pappa would look out for a farhang!!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Easy2007]I prefer to pay for good sex, top of the range stuff.
Paying for a "GFE" is a little sad really, GFE is avaiable for free in Bangkok with a little time and effort spent, there is a whole load of Thai girls out there who are single and desperate.
Just having someone who smiles a lot, hangs around all day, pops out to buy you something from 7-11 at the expenses of sampling the many delights Bangkok has to offer, under the guise that a GFE is somewhat better than a PSE at Tulips or Eden. Sorry, does not do it for me.
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I think you are totally confused, although yes I agree with paying for really top self sex.
GFE simply means that the girl is whole-heartedly into the experience too and acts as if she were a GF for a short period of time. She is having a great time and its not just another tiresome fuck for her. If she is a super-star as well, like a top Tulip girl, that's even better.
At my age I can't expect to get the hottest stunning young GFs easily, and I certainly can't maintain multiples. GFs are generally more costly than a 2 hour GFE with a sex superstar.
The more GFE a session is, the more turned on I am and the better I enjoy it. I don't enjoy a session with a girl just putting on an act.
GFE is temporary and have the variety of lots of GFE girls.
If a guy has a real proper GF, then there is not much option than to pay for other girl GFE sessions and to be discreet about them.
If a guy takes a P4P for an extended period of time, then he is obviously enjoying her immensely. It can still be cheaper than a regular GF. But the important thing, is that some of us don't have time to search for stunning young Giks wanting to fuck us for free. Its getting unrealistic. We are on short time budgets and want instant action.
PSE is useless to me without GFE as well, and I can get both together at Tulip. I gave up Eden quickly as whole thing was too mechanical to suit me.
We must appreciate that different guys are turned on in different ways. The very best GFE kissers turn me on quicker than anything else.
[quote=italy 1974]
for this reason my favourite venues in bangkok are: tulip, eden club, star of light, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, caesar, champs elysees, spicy club, new wave pool bar and beergarden.
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champs elysees has been renamed amsterdam for several years and is a totally different class to tulip, eden, sol, beer garten etc.
you could potentiall get a gfe at some of these places, although some would be unlikely, e.g.: eden, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]
thats why i don't bother with these places. its too mechanical.
[QUOTE=Andy Abs]I have to say from the start that I am an avid reader, I suppose it’s because I am a newcomer to this site, not to Thailand. There are some real characters here, true blue sex mongers, it is like online learning, Mick is like the daddy of all that is Thailand. I do find it interesting that most of the guys here seem to be in unison agreement that the best sexual encounters they have had, have been in the land of smiles and with ladies of a particular job description.
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As a conclusion to this post. The best sex I have ever had. Has to be in the UK. I was working the doors on a Birmingham nightclub when I met two of the horniest Jamaican girls.
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Not at all. I have had fantastic sex sessions with non Asians. Its just that LOS is a cheaper favourite hunting ground. Another factor is that Thai P4Ps are more likely to really enjoy the experience than Farangs. Yeah, Jamaicans too, I reckon.
My most memorable fuck ever was a very young vivacious Greek-German called Cindy with a stunning face and body (large Cs) that would rival any movie star and who was really into the kissing and sex too. She was a casual P4P seemingly doing it more for fun than for the money on an occasional basis. She didn't watch the clock and didn't ask any more despite being well over time.
Very soon I'm in Germany and so will try several nationalities including some black girls when they are really pretty.
In the end its not the location that matters. Its the type of girls and the cost.
[QUOTE=Tulip777]In the soapies full service is included in the price. If you get a real good service with 2 pops and you feel that she went over the limit for you then 500-1000 is a very good tip. If she is average 300 will do. If you are not satisfied don't give them anything even if they ask. At least that's what I am doing.
Did you mean to say 50-100 baht tip? 1000 baht tip sounds unbelievable.[/QUOTE]
Only some bargain Soapies provide 2 pops as standard. Others you will have to negotiate an extra tip for it.
at eden sex may be sometimes mechanical, i agree.
and you can say the same about any other place where you can not "interact" with the girl before going to the room.
for example when i go to the beergarden or to new wave (both in soi 7, sukhumvit) i have the chances to talk with many girls before making my choice; i can ever stay for hours in the bar talking, drinking, playing pool.
and when i find a girl i can go along well, i can take her to my hotel room for a good fuck.
still i think that the same can be obtained, i. e. , at eden; but you must know the girls you want to fuck!
at eden i never go with 2 girls but i choose the "takeaway" option: all night (from 10 pm to 6 am) for 3000 baht.
in the last two occasions i went with waa and orchid (previously known as nok) and i got, as usual, two pornstar experiences!
still i have been knowing (and fucking.) both girrls for 4 years.
regarding the champs elysees, i called it with the old name. still i admit that amsterdam is in another (and higher) league, togheter with caesar.
regards,
italy 1974
[quote=mick licker]champs elysees has been renamed amsterdam for several years and is a totally different class to tulip, eden, sol, beer garten etc.
you could potentiall get a gfe at some of these places, although some would be unlikely, e.g.: eden, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]
thats why i don't bother with these places. its too mechanical.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I think you are totally confused, although yes I agree with paying for really top self sex.QUOTE]Hey Mick,
Do you use your right hand or left for your top self sex?
[QUOTE=Italy 1974]
For example when I go to the Beergarden or to New Wave (both in soi 7, Sukhumvit) I have the chances to talk with many girls before making my choice; I can ever stay for hours in the bar talking, drinking, playing pool.
And when I find a girl I can go along well, I can take her to my hotel room for a good fuck.
Still I think that the same can be obtained, I. E. , at Eden; but you must know the girls you want to fuck!
At Eden I never go with 2 girls but I choose the "takeaway" option: all night (from 10 PM to 6 AM) for 3000 baht.
In the last two occasions I went with Waa and Orchid (previously known as Nok) and I got, as usual, two pornstar experiences!
Still I have been knowing (and fucking.) both girrls for 4 years.
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By choosing the right girls you are looking for girls who can behave like a GF in terms of enjoying sex rather than being mechanical. I view this a GFE, even if the performance is better than the average GF.
PSE and GFE togther is what you are looking for.
And I agree that when you find the best girls, you keep going with them even for years, as they haven't got boring yet.
[QUOTE=David 2]
Do you use your right hand or left for your top self sex?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure Bill Clinton would support me in saying that encounters with Mrs Palmer and her 5 daugthers are not "sexual relations" and certainly not "top shelf".:)
You can get "top shelf sex" in Bangkok such as at Tulip. You should try it. If you are a really nice guy, you might even get a GFE.
[QUOTE=Kuratla]eg Pla, Joy, Tuk, Lek, and Rabbit to name a few, are genuinely caring and wonderful women (and amazing fellatrixes to boot).[/QUOTE]
Ahh, Rabbit :-) She never fails to brighten my day.
[quote=rocksoff]ahh, rabbit she never fails to brighten my day.[/quote]i agree, rocksoff. rabbit is like "the energizer bunny. " but she wasn't working last night. joy was there, however, and she remembered me from several months ago when i took her back to my hotel for a great lt night. rabbit is more of a spinner, but there's something about joy, with her glasses, that makes here especially cute.
i was a little disappointed that business seemed very slow at sol last night. joy gave me a great, unhurried, bj. but we were the only two inside the bar and i missed the atmosphere that's created when there's one or more other guys enjoying the sol services at the same time. that's what makes sol my favorite bj bar, well that along with the superior service of the sol girls.
i've also had some great service at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but sol girls are the best in my opinion. unfortunately, i can't recommend kangaroo. i've only been there a couple of times, but both times it seemed like a more mechanical attempt to earn the 700 baht as quickly as possible.
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[quote=mick licker]we must appreciate that different guys are turned on in different ways. the very best gfe kissers turn me on quicker than anything else.[/quote]i'm 100% the same. eye contact, a mischievous smile, warmth and kissing to me going faster than anything else. the girls that i return to are those that were great at making me feel like they genuinely like me and want to be with me. this is the core of the gfe to me.
[quote=mick licker]you could potentiall get a gfe at some of these places, although some would be unlikely, e.g.: eden, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]
thats why i don't bother with these places. its too mechanical.[/quote]i think that the issue with eden is that you have to choose the 'right girls' and get them off the script a bit. the 'right girls' are, of course, going to be different for everyone. my first eden experience was great. then i had 2-3 less fun experiences and this past trip had two great experiences because i've finally identified a girl that i click well with.
on the other hand my tulip experience, while good, was not with someone that i'd rush back to visit again. now that i have more knowledge of the cast of characters at tulip i'm pretty sure my next visit will be with a 'right girl' and one that i'll likely to return to visit multiple times.
[QUOTE=Pita123]I think that the issue with Eden is that you have to choose the 'right girls' and get them off the script a bit. [/QUOTE]
This is true for all venues, MP's, Soapies, Cowboy, NEP, FL's etc... It just can take a while to find the "right" combination at Eden as it is a "combination".
[QUOTE=Pita123]Now that I have more knowledge of the cast of characters at Tulip I'm pretty sure my next visit will be with a 'right girl' and one that I'll likely to return to visit multiple times.[/QUOTE]
Be open minded, you could hit five or six different Tulip girls and find a gem that is not reported or talked about much. Just don't be blinded by the reports here. I'd still try out a handful or more to find the one you click with the best.
Questions for the memebers in Thailand right now. Whats the situation? Is it still faily packed and busy?
I am thinking of a last min trip to Bangkok and Pattaya and wondering if a decent hotel will be hard to come by? Is advance booking required or is it slow still from the problems at the airport and economy?
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Few day’s ago ,due to a early morning arrival in a empty BKK airport and nobody waiting to pick me up this time , I opted to take a taxi and wondered how they gone play the taxi scam game this time . My luggage came as first bag off the belt and I went straight outside to the taxi stand , asked he girl what the cost would be for the taxi to SUK area , she told me “ taxi with meter , you pay driver “ and pointed me a driver , now we will see how this one goes .
Taxi took of and I gave the driver instructions in Thai where to go , parly to let him know that I was familiar with the area and not a first time tourist . He told me 600 Bath , easy answer , now way , you put meter on , he starts complaining and was trying to stitch a few English words together , what he finally was trying to say was “ 6 hour morning , taxi more expensive , no good ,many luggage ,long drive “ . He was showing faces like a kid take as been taking his candy away . I told him ,or you stop or put meter on , he finally did it but not with pleasure and kept complaining .
The roads are empty at that time and the ride till my hotel in SUK soi 22 was less than 30min and exactly 258 Thb on the meter up on arrival , this of course + toll and 50 Thb airport surcharge on top , In day time with heavy traffic it could be 50 Thb more but the lesson is that they just try to double the meter readings of you don’t insist to switch them on .
It was a nice try but did not work ,
John Euro
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".... Joy was there....... there's something about Joy, with her glasses, that makes here especially cute.
....... the atmosphere that's created when there's one or more other guys enjoying the SOL services at the same time. That's what makes SOL my favorite BJ Bar, well that along with the superior service of the SOL girls."
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I fully agree with your comment on atmosphere!! --Joy can turn you on, really.-
Will be back to SOL end of Febr. and hopefully I can meet some of you, brothers, there......
Enjoy
F.V.
Could not have been more bored, very tame, no kissing, very scripted. The two girls took turns leaving the room in the beginning, would not get started for the first 20 minutes. Thinking back, I should have demanded that some sort of action start. The clock is ticking.
They finally got me to the tub. They tried to get me off early with tit fucking! , BORING! I believe this was intended to make the time on the bed easier for them, like I would not be able to continue or keep it up. I stopped the lame act in the tub and asked the girl behind me to stop with the nonsense moaning in my ear. What, was I born yesterday?
Then we went to the bed, condom f***** the less ugly one, tried to get them to do what I liked, positions, kissing, changing back and forth between girls, etc. Really did not work, not good or fun. I abruptly ended the session after 40 minutes into my two hours, laughing in disappointment, and left.
Is everything OK? They asked. I told them I was not enjoying it. I again told the uglier one that her constant fake moaning in my ear was a real turn off. They began pressuring me for a tip, outrageous, so I gave them a little but it was not enough for them. More, more. I finally told them to get real, that I was disappointed and not satisfied.
I guess I have had to many wild experiences with multiple women and groups and crazy stuff like that. Thailand I found to be very tame and lame. Better to create the experiences you want than to go along with their program.
Better to find a spinner or independent at one of the beer bars, street or even a go go newbie, and really have fun the way you like it. Just IMHO. Would not even bother with a BJ bar, can only imagine how bored that would make me.
The Windmill and Baby Dolls in Pattaya rock! Crazy shit going on there. I took a few from these places and had a great time. Got ripped off by one of the girls from Baby Dolls, took money from my room. Went back and complained. No big loss. The money was not such an issue to me. I can show you a picture of the thief if you want.
Maybe I should have been more assertive at annies. I should have thrown them on the floor as soon as we walked into the room, f****** them like dogs. I can imagine being them though, doing the same crap every day, could get tired. PS, I am in my 30s, fit, handsome and white. It is not like I am some overweight, old and ugly slob. I could understand the bad performance if that were the case.
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I was there two weeks for christmas and new years. For first time guys, the majestic suites were excellent, very comfy, reasonable, centrally located around $50 per night for the delux room. Breakfast included and was good.
Na na hotel, awful. Old, dirty, nasty, rock hard bed. Yuck. See for yourself if you do not believe me. I checked in the first night only knowing to tell the taxi to take me to na na hotel. It was like $40 and I checked out the next morning after taking a walk over to Majestic Suites and finding an available room.
The girls I met said the Landmark was very nice, followed by the Marriot. But these places are pricey, and book for two (as a couple) to avoid a fee for a guest at night.
In Pattaya, I went to Estiny on Soi 7. 8th floor, nonsmoking but can smoke on the ocean view terrace. Very clean, newly renovated, breakfast also included like at the Majestic, good. No fee for one girl, but $10 for second girl.
Beer bars definately do hire girls that rate as 10s to stand on the street to lure you in, but they are not available. It is a scam. Better to get a go go girl or independent from the beach road or walking street. Nightclubs on walking street are full of independents available for the taking. Don't think USA when in the nightclubs. Just go up to them and tell them you want them. There is no work involved.
Soi 6 is much talked about, but not really where anyone goes for action, from what I could tell. It is like going to Lake George in NY. All commercial and very fake. There is one place there though that I went to on recommendation from a prior post (RTFFF), and instantly I had a girl on me, talked over a drink, upstairs we went and had an hour of hot fun. All the girls there are ready to go. You will be paired up as soon as you walk in the door. I guess this place is a brothel really, not a beer bar or go go. Red point, something like that, can't remember.
One night I met a really cute young new girl. She must have been fresh off the boat. It was at a beer bar on soi 7, next to my hotel. (this is a mistake because when things go sour, you will see her for the rest of you trip, and that is not good). I told mamasan that I was interested. We sat at the bar, had a drink, struck a deal, the bill came, the insisted on an extra 5 baht because they said they billed my beer at the wrong price. I told them to f off, I was paying a decent bar fine, two drinks including a lady drink, and paying the girl a decent fee. They insisted on the extra 5 baht, so I paid the drink bill, no tip, told the girl I was sorry but no deal, and left. Stupid business people. Look at all they lost out on. The young girl was pissed and I don't blame her. I wanted her, but would not be played as a sucker for 5 bhat.
Me, on the other hand, went out to a nearby go go and found a great sweetheart that made my night so special, and for less than I previously agreed to.
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[QUOTE=Lucis]Questions for the memebers in Thailand right now. Whats the situation? Is it still faily packed and busy?
I am thinking of a last min trip to Bangkok and Pattaya and wondering if a decent hotel will be hard to come by? Is advance booking required or is it slow still from the problems at the airport and economy?[/QUOTE]It is the high season so it is rather busy but not as much as normal due to the political and economic climate.
Advance booking is always recommended for convenience and to get one's first choice, but there will be many vacancies all over the place.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Only some bargain Soapies provide 2 pops as standard. Others you will have to negotiate an extra tip for it.[/QUOTE]
One of our old favorites LongBeach, plus couple across the street (old LaDefense) - standard is 2 pops for fishbowl picks.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Only some bargain Soapies provide 2 pops as standard. Others you will have to negotiate an extra tip for it.[/QUOTE]I've always found that ChaoPraya 2 offered 2 pops. Some girls even insist upon it! (I usually tip THOSE girls well)
[QUOTE=Bill]She was found in the Biergarten soi 7?
I asked one black girl by the rest of the freelancers near foodland where she was from and she replied Tanzania.
IMHO all the black girls were butt ugly except 1. Very fat.
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Well, I also had a 'Indian' girl from Gulliver, but she was only half Indian. Thai mother and Indian father. But, real Indian hooker I never saw outside India. Even in Dubai not. Except as singer in a Hotel, but they weren't available at least not obvious.
The black girls were not all pretty, but in one regard tempting, since some of them have huge buttocks and that is what you seldom find in Thailand. But, I commit I would hesitate to try them since the chance that they are rip offs is quite big I guess.
Jodi, I like your reporting style. Its similar to what I find, out there in the real world as opposed to the fantasy world of some peoples minds.
Keep up the good work.
[QUOTE=Jodi In Heat]I was there two weeks for christmas and new years. For first time guys, the majestic suites were excellent, very comfy, reasonable, centrally located around $50 per night for the delux room. Breakfast included and was good.
Na na hotel, awful. Old, dirty, nasty, rock hard bed. Yuck. See for yourself if you do not believe me. I checked in the first night only knowing to tell the taxi to take me to na na hotel. It was like $40 and I checked out the next morning after taking a walk over to Majestic Suites and finding an available room.
The girls I met said the Landmark was very nice, followed by the Marriot. But these places are pricey, and book for two (as a couple) to avoid a fee for a guest at night.
In Pattaya, I went to Estiny on Soi 7. 8th floor, nonsmoking but can smoke on the ocean view terrace. Very clean, newly renovated, breakfast also included like at the Majestic, good. No fee for one girl, but $10 for second girl.
Beer bars definately do hire girls that rate as 10s to stand on the street to lure you in, but they are not available. It is a scam. Better to get a go go girl or independent from the beach road or walking street. Nightclubs on walking street are full of independents available for the taking. Don't think USA when in the nightclubs. Just go up to them and tell them you want them. There is no work involved.
Soi 6 is much talked about, but not really where anyone goes for action, from what I could tell. It is like going to Lake George in NY. All commercial and very fake. There is one place there though that I went to on recommendation from a prior post (RTFFF), and instantly I had a girl on me, talked over a drink, upstairs we went and had an hour of hot fun. All the girls there are ready to go. You will be paired up as soon as you walk in the door. I guess this place is a brothel really, not a beer bar or go go. Red point, something like that, can't remember.
One night I met a really cute young new girl. She must have been fresh off the boat. It was at a beer bar on soi 7, next to my hotel. (this is a mistake because when things go sour, you will see her for the rest of you trip, and that is not good). I told mamasan that I was interested. We sat at the bar, had a drink, struck a deal, the bill came, the insisted on an extra 5 baht because they said they billed my beer at the wrong price. I told them to f off, I was paying a decent bar fine, two drinks including a lady drink, and paying the girl a decent fee. They insisted on the extra 5 baht, so I paid the drink bill, no tip, told the girl I was sorry but no deal, and left. Stupid business people. Look at all they lost out on. The young girl was pissed and I don't blame her. I wanted her, but would not be played as a sucker for 5 bhat.
Me, on the other hand, went out to a nearby go go and found a great sweetheart that made my night so special, and for less than I previously agreed to.
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[quote=great guy]unfortunately, i can't recommend kangaroo. i've only been there a couple of times, but both times it seemed like a more mechanical attempt to earn the 700 baht as quickly as possible.[/quote]
hehe, last night in preparation for meeting a girlfriend arriving to stay with me, i dropped in at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, and while looking through the lasses in their tartan skirts, recognized little may, who had me returning to kangaroo two or three times a week for a month or so a while back. i stopped going though.
she was never too rushed, allowed me to finger her while watching porn at the bar while chatting with me sweetly, and sometimes curled up with me after the bj to pet and chat .. she isn't a picture, but i can get off on her happily.
[QUOTE=Fujiyama Thai]Thai Sex Maasge (Soapy Massage) Database
Inside have a lot of massage girl gallery.
And information of the Sex Massage (Soapy Massage) place.
with English and Japanese Language
[url]http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/[/url]
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Nothing new... it already has been posted in here... and this should go in the Massage Section.
[QUOTE=Jodi In Heat]Thinking back, I should have demanded that some sort of action start. The clock is ticking.[/quote]
You'd think it to be obvious. Time in a Brothel is what YOU make of it. If you let the girls dictate the pace then you can't complain. Different guys like different things. For all you know, they were doing exactly what the previous customer loved.
The only person to blame is yourself. NExt time tell the girls what you want and they will do it.
In fact, I can even guarantee you that Thai girls P4P or not really like to be told what to do... less effort for them thinking about what to do.
[quote]I stopped the lame act in the tub and asked the girl behind me to stop with the nonsense moaning in my ear. What, was I born yesterday? [/quote]
Again, this might work with 90% of the other customers...
[quote]Is everything OK? They asked. I told them I was not enjoying it. I again told the uglier one that her constant fake moaning in my ear was a real turn off. They began pressuring me for a tip, outrageous, so I gave them a little but it was not enough for them. More, more. I finally told them to get real, that I was disappointed and not satisfied.[/quote]
If dissatisfied, don't tip, that way you are sure they will get the message.
[quote]Thailand I found to be very tame and lame. Better to create the experiences you want than to go along with their program.[/quote]
There is no program (except at Eden Maybe), your time is what you make of it.
Did you complain to the Management? it is very useful adn maybe they would have offered for you to change girls? or give you some money back. Sometimes, if you are really looking for something Specific, it is better to ask the cashier/manager so she can help you find the ladies that offer the service you require.
[quote]PS, I am in my 30s, fit, handsome and white. It is not like I am some overweight, old and ugly slob. I could understand the bad performance if that were the case.[/QUOTE]
Your looks are absolutely Irrelevant in Thailand's P4P environment. I also am 30 (even though I put on 5 more kilos lately I am fairly ok in weight). The ladies prefer ATTITUDE over looks. If you are nice, gentle, make them comfortable and smile, they will enjoy the session and make sure you have a great time.
Trust me, they have seen it all: from Brad Pitt Lookalike to the hunchback of Notre dame, and you'll be surprised to hear that it is often not Brad Pitt that they prefer.
While the Brad Pitt guy will be full of himself and expect the ladies to be grateful because he (the stud) is fucking them, the hunchback will be very unassuming, caring, gentle and cater to the ladies needs before he is satisfied.
In Thailand, Looks are the least important.
I’ve experienced this first hand some time ago. It's true that if you take a girl from a bar next to your hotel, she will think she owns you for the rest of your trip. When you return with other girls she will give you attitude like you're cheating on her but of course she can go with other Johns, better to just avoid them.
[QUOTE=Jodi In Heat]
One night I met a really cute young new girl. She must have been fresh off the boat. It was at a beer bar on soi 7, next to my hotel. (this is a mistake because when things go sour, you will see her for the rest of you trip, and that is not good). [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
Lookalike to the hunchback of Notre dame, and you'll be surprised to hear that it is often not Brad Pitt that they prefer.
While the Brad Pitt guy will be full of himself and expect the ladies to be grateful because he (the stud) is fucking them, the hunchback will be very unassuming, caring, gentle and cater to the ladies needs before he is satisfied.
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Was in the biergarden one night when Quasimodi walked in and sat down next to me.
He said 'I'll have a whisky'
Bartender said 'Bells alright?'
Quasi replied 'Mind your own fucking business'.
Then he jumped up and kicked a girl in the twat.
'Why you do that?' she yelled.
'Because you are a w****' he said.
'How you know that?' she said.
'Because I have a hunch'
[QUOTE=Jodi In Heat]Could not have been more bored, very tame, no kissing, very scripted. The two girls took turns leaving the room in the beginning, would not get started for the first 20 minutes. Thinking back, I should have demanded that some sort of action start. The clock is ticking.
Maybe I should have been more assertive at annies. I should have thrown them on the floor as soon as we walked into the room, f****** them like dogs. I can imagine being them though, doing the same crap every day, could get tired. PS, I am in my 30s, fit, handsome and white. It is not like I am some overweight, old and ugly slob. I could understand the bad performance if that were the case.[/quote]There within your quote lays the answer. Arrogance. Maybe you think you are "handsome, white. Oh and 30". Maybe they picked on the fact that you think you are better than them. Why have an ugly girl? If money is not an issue with you, why not go to an upmarket parlor.
BTW. I am 48. Very handsome. Very white. Weighing in at 96 kilo with a 32inch waist. And I have never had a boring session here. But then with my profile I don't really need to pay for it. Sounds big headed and boring doesn't it? That's why I leave that outside when I go to enjoy myself.
[quote=rocksoff]hehe, last night in preparation for meeting a girlfriend arriving to stay with me, i dropped in at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, and while looking through the lasses in their tartan skirts, recognized little may, who had me returning to kangaroo two or three times a week for a month or so a while back. i stopped going though.
she was never too rushed, allowed me to finger her while watching porn at the bar while chatting with me sweetly, and sometimes curled up with me after the bj to pet and chat. she isn't a picture, but i can get off on her happily.[/quote]that's a good reminder for us all! when reading these posts we should keep in mind that ymmv and it often depends on which specific girl you choose (although it's hard to miss at tulip). i'm glad to hear about may, and glad you found her again. i'll have to stop by [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s and check her out (if i'm not too busy at sol or tulip).
thanks for your comment!
great guy
[QUOTE=Run Mann]I’ve experienced this first hand some time ago. It's true that if you take a girl from a bar next to your hotel, she will think she owns you for the rest of your trip. When you return with other girls she will give you attitude like you're cheating on her but of course she can go with other Johns, better to just avoid them.[/QUOTE]Thank the pooning gods for the back door exit at the Nana Hotel.
Hi,
I will be reaching Bangkok on 12th Feb, stay over night and then head to Pattaya for 2 days. If any of you will be around that time then would love to catch up. Please do PM me.
[QUOTE=Jodi In Heat] One night I met a really cute young new girl. She must have been fresh off the boat. It was at a beer bar on soi 7, next to my hotel. (this is a mistake because when things go sour, you will see her for the rest of you trip, and that is not good). I told mamasan that I was interested. We sat at the bar, had a drink, struck a deal, the bill came, the insisted on an extra 5 baht because they said they billed my beer at the wrong price. I told them to f off, I was paying a decent bar fine, two drinks including a lady drink, and paying the girl a decent fee. They insisted on the extra 5 baht, so I paid the drink bill, no tip, told the girl I was sorry but no deal, and left. Stupid business people. Look at all they lost out on. The young girl was pissed and I don't blame her. I wanted her, but would not be played as a sucker for 5 bhat. [/QUOTE]At today's exchange rate, 5 baht is a little les than 15 cents US!!!! It's hard to believe that you would make a scene for less than the cost of a cigarette. No wonder so much of the world has lost respect for us.
[QUOTE=Jodi In Heat]Could not have been more bored, very tame, no kissing, very scripted. The two girls took turns leaving the room in the beginning, would not get started for the first 20 minutes. Thinking back, I should have demanded that some sort of action start. The clock is ticking.
They finally got me to the tub. They tried to get me off early with tit fucking! , BORING! I believe this was intended to make the time on the bed easier for them, like I would not be able to continue or keep it up. I stopped the lame act in the tub and asked the girl behind me to stop with the nonsense moaning in my ear. What, was I born yesterday?
Then we went to the bed, condom f***** the less ugly one, tried to get them to do what I liked, positions, kissing, changing back and forth between girls, etc. Really did not work, not good or fun. I abruptly ended the session after 40 minutes into my two hours, laughing in disappointment, and left.
Is everything OK? They asked. I told them I was not enjoying it. I again told the uglier one that her constant fake moaning in my ear was a real turn off. They began pressuring me for a tip, outrageous, so I gave them a little but it was not enough for them. More, more. I finally told them to get real, that I was disappointed and not satisfied.
I guess I have had to many wild experiences with multiple women and groups and crazy stuff like that. Thailand I found to be very tame and lame. Better to create the experiences you want than to go along with their program.
Better to find a spinner or independent at one of the beer bars, street or even a go go newbie, and really have fun the way you like it. Just IMHO. Would not even bother with a BJ bar, can only imagine how bored that would make me.
The Windmill and Baby Dolls in Pattaya rock! Crazy shit going on there. I took a few from these places and had a great time. Got ripped off by one of the girls from Baby Dolls, took money from my room. Went back and complained. No big loss. The money was not such an issue to me. I can show you a picture of the thief if you want.
Maybe I should have been more assertive at annies. I should have thrown them on the floor as soon as we walked into the room, f****** them like dogs. I can imagine being them though, doing the same crap every day, could get tired. PS, I am in my 30s, fit, handsome and white. It is not like I am some overweight, old and ugly slob. I could understand the bad performance if that were the case.
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I am 60+, and being old does not mean necessarily ugly, bald and fat..
I never had a bad session at annies or elsewhere because I just behave , and show respect for the girls.
Sorry, those are obvious comments, but seems
some still need to hear them.
[QUOTE=Sounds big headed and boring doesn't it? That's why I leave that outside when I go to enjoy myself.[/QUOTE]No, you miss understood me and now you want to belittle me. I was trying to come up with an explanation to understand it in my mind. I was psyched to get to go there after having studied the forum for weeks before my trip to Thailand. I went to Annie's rather shy and timid, was nervous even, and polite. I let the mamasan choose the girls for me.
BTW, I am not really all that good looking. I embellished. Geez, sorry.
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Was in the biergarden one night when Quasimodi walked in and sat down next to me.[/QUOTE]
I know English is only my 3rd Language, but I think I am doing pretty ok with it. Still, I did not get the joke and what was its purpose to the whole Annies Report context.
[quote]I was trying to come up with an explanation to understand it in my mind. I was psyched to get to go there after having studied the forum for weeks before my trip to Thailand. I went to Annie's rather shy and timid, was nervous even, and polite. I let the mamasan choose the girls for me.[/quote]
That's ok to be Timid and Polite, we've all been through that, especially the first times. That's life, it makes you stronger for the next sessions. What I don't understand is why would you come and write a report undermining the parlor and girls when you were part of the reason why the session went bad?
There's no shame in accepting that you are a newbie and shy (I've been there 4 years ago).
Also, if the mamasan Chose the girls, why not, on your way out, tell her what you felt? maybe she would have offered new girls to better fit your needs?
Did you tell her exactly what you wanted?
usually when they see young guys they assume we will fuck the girls Strong adn hard so they will give you ladies that can go the distance wit you and not some new girl fresh from the farm who's sex experience is the usual 5mn (no foreplay) of her ex boyfriend.
[quote]BTW, I am not really all that good looking. I embellished. Geez, sorry.[/QUOTE]
Looks don't matter, in Thailand and on the Forum.
As Andy Abs said, Looks might help you to land non prostitutes but even then, a lot of non P4P (my Staff) prefer older guys.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I know English is only my 3rd Language, but I think I am doing pretty ok with it. Still, I did not get the joke and what was its purpose to the whole Annies Report context.[/QUOTE]
Just a little light relief - as the actress said to the bishop:).
The Forums do get a little serious and intense at times and I personally enjoy reading the odd jokey post now and then, which do tend to lighten the tone. Example is Sonic Bams funny post recently on Viagra in the General Thread.
I know there is a separate joke forum on ISG and I'm sorry that you didn't see the joke. 'Fraid that I only do British humour which is lost on most Americans and Continentals. I'm sure that the Brits and Aussies got the corny old joke.
Bye Bye Bangkok.
I like you. I like sex. Is nice.
I don't know about heaven. But I do believe in angels.
We shall see you again, but not yet. Not yet.
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She had large breasts that were more than a handful each, and a very kissable face that made me wonder if she were a half breed, since apart from a light tan for a TG she looked more Russian than Asian. It was a surprise that she wanted only the regular SW rate of 1000 baht, and the bedroom behaviour did not disappoint, to say the least. A new addition to the harem.
The Suzi Wong bargirl says that she never goes with young Farang guys. She just refuses them. Why is this?
She is a popular girl due to good face, fun character, and tall curvy body (but not much tits).
She claims young guys are “ngee ngao” which means difficult, stingy, untrustworthy arseholes. She claims they are arrogant and "up themselves" as well.
O.K. there are exceptions of course.
She only does short time as has to go home to parents each night.
Young Farangs will try to get excessively low price and then expect several sex sessions for the very low money and even refuse to pay if they are not totally satisfied.
She says its just not worth bothering with them. She has more respect for herself than to accept them. She is good looking enough to get a better class of older customer that doesn’t come with all these hassles.
Not all bargirls think the same as this girl. Some may actually like young guys.
But my advice to the young handsome spunks, is to try to look older, more dignified, show the girl respect and consideration, be fair, and above all else, more generous.
I always believe that if I try to give the girl a good time and make her have fun, I will usually have a good time too.
I will try to be nice Mick!
Most of the time Im not.
[QUOTE=Dreams]I am 60+, and being old does not mean necessarily ugly, bald and fat..
I never had a bad session at annies or elsewhere because I just behave , and show respect for the girls.
Sorry, those are obvious comments, but seems
some still need to hear them.[/QUOTE]
You never had a bad session, ever? :o
But I agree with your sentiments.
[QUOTE=Easy2007]Jodi, I like your reporting style. Its similar to what I find, out there in the real world as opposed to the fantasy world of some peoples minds.
Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]
Yeh, the real world is full of shit and arseholes. But some of us prefer to be turned on by more positive and more fun things.
Mutally pleasurable sex is not just a fantasy.
My view is that once you collect a set of superior girls, that it gets difficult to find new girls that can be competitive in both looks and performance. Perhaps can find a new stunner with average performance or a good performer with ordinary looks.
But to make my list of regular repeat girls, I really need girls to be superb in some way and well above average in both looks and performance.
On this trip I tried a total of 11 new girls, I think. 4 Soapy girls (Ida, Tarawadee, La Belle), 2 Oily girls (Luxury, Angel), 4 Bargirls, and 1 other category. Of these 1 bargirl (Shark) and one Oily girl (Angel) were good enough in both looks and performance to be definite repeats. Two others go into the maybe category on basis that they are stunning and performance could improve.
Repeat girls from the past: 2 Soapy girls, 1 Oily girl, 3 bargirls, 3 ex-P4P girls. Two of the bargirls may get dropped from the list as not quite making the tough standard now.
I don’t feel that I can be bothered trying so many new girls on my next visit to Thailand, and bargirls are starting to boor me in general. Having threesomes has started to loose its appeal.
Next visit might just go back to concentrating on MP girls, and mostly with my favourites, as I used to do when had a full time GF. The best MP girls seem generally superior to bargirls IMHO. Good looks, non-bargirl personality, and stamina ;)
There will always be special exceptions.
Despite all the distractions, I still miss my ex Thai GF. Somewhat jaded? A few days of no sex will soon get the desires fuelled up again and the sex addict in me will re-emerge.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yeh, the real world is full of shit and arseholes. But some of us prefer to be turned on by more positive and more fun things.
Mutally pleasurable sex is not just a fantasy.[/QUOTE]Mutually pleasurable sex is fine, however, mutually pleasurable sex should be done on an even basis.
Quite simply if someone is taking money for sex, then fuck them, they do what they are paid for.
I have plenty of freebies and also pay for plenty too, but the effort goes only into the freebies. The paid for ones do what I want, and if I feel so, I may try my best to make it mutual. But not all the time.
Do you pay someone to cut your lawn, and then help them cut while they watch?
A dose of reality is always good. And does no harm. Annies is ok for some people, but really, Jodi summed it up quite well.
I am sure that the same girl would say exactly the opposite when talking to a young guy.
Everything is a game!
We should always keep this in our minds.
Italy 1974
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]The Suzi Wong bargirl says that she never goes with young Farang guys. She just refuses them. Why is this?
She is a popular girl due to good face, fun character, and tall curvy body (but not much tits).
She claims young guys are “ngee ngao” which means difficult, stingy, untrustworthy arseholes. She claims they are arrogant and "up themselves" as well.
O.K. there are exceptions of course.
She only does short time as has to go home to parents each night.
Young Farangs will try to get excessively low price and then expect several sex sessions for the very low money and even refuse to pay if they are not totally satisfied.
She says its just not worth bothering with them. She has more respect for herself than to accept them. She is good looking enough to get a better class of older customer that doesn’t come with all these hassles.
Not all bargirls think the same as this girl. Some may actually like young guys.
But my advice to the young handsome spunks, is to try to look older, more dignified, show the girl respect and consideration, be fair, and above all else, more generous.
I always believe that if I try to give the girl a good time and make her have fun, I will usually have a good time too.[/QUOTE]
Mick Licker, the girls tell you the things they think you want to hear. Of course if you're an old duffer the girl will tell you she doesn't like young handsome men. If you're a young handsome man she'll tell you she doesn't like old men. The reality is that most girls will go wild for a young handsome man. Instead of believing the nonsense the girls tell you, talk to some of these young guys and I can assure you they don't need your advice on how to get laid in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=*****man]Mick Licker, the girls tell you the things they think you want to hear. Of course if you're an old duffer the girl will tell you she doesn't like young handsome men. If you're a young handsome man she'll tell you she doesn't like old men. The reality is that most girls will go wild for a young handsome man. Instead of believing the nonsense the girls tell you, talk to some of these young guys and I can assure you they don't need your advice on how to get laid in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]
What if you are an old, fat, balding, but VERY hansum man like I am?
In any case, I would bet that the ladies who claim that they don't like younger hansum men, in particular don't like their lack of financial generosity above all else.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]You never had a bad session, ever? :o
But I agree with your sentiments.[/QUOTE]
I have had obviously quirte a number of not-so-good sessions, in BKK and elsewhere, but everything is about expectations. For instance, I went recently with one of the model Czech girls at palace in FRA, and had what other may call "bad "sessions. I just wanted at least bang a super model, and was successfull in this. Was it a bad session? Not for me, since I did not expect any more.
[QUOTE=*****man] I can assure you they don't need your advice on how to get laid in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]
Wait -- so how do we get 'laid' in Bangkok if we're young and hansum? I am only 19, the son of a wealthy businessman and paid for sex numerous times during my trip there. Don't tell me to look online because it almost always never works. Maybe you meant the long-term residents?
[QUOTE=Rguy89]Wait -- so how do we get 'laid' in Bangkok if we're young and hansum? I am only 19, the son of a wealthy businessman and paid for sex numerous times during my trip there. Don't tell me to look online because it almost always never works. Maybe you meant the long-term residents?[/QUOTE]
I'm willing to bet anyone could get laid in BKK. All it takes is $. Why do you think so many "losers" in their home countries come to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Dreams]I have had obviously quirte a number of not-so-good sessions, in BKK and elsewhere, but everything is about expectations. For instance, I went recently with one of the model Czech girls at palace in FRA, and had what other may call "bad "sessions. I just wanted at least bang a super model, and was successfull in this. Was it a bad session? Not for me, since I did not expect any more.[/QUOTE]
I just went with a model Brazil girl at the Palace and had a wonderful session. I wasn't expecting it to be bad either.
So I don't do Thai girls exclusively LOL ;)
[QUOTE=*****man]Mick Licker, the girls tell you the things they think you want to hear. Of course if you're an old duffer the girl will tell you she doesn't like young handsome men. If you're a young handsome man she'll tell you she doesn't like old men. The reality is that most girls will go wild for a young handsome man. Instead of believing the nonsense the girls tell you, talk to some of these young guys and I can assure you they don't need your advice on how to get laid in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]
Yes I am sure you don't need any advice and you will believe yourself rather than certain bargirls. But I give advice for newbies that might benefit, to tone down the arrogance, be easy going and not too demanding, etc.
No no, these girls have known me for a long time. There is no point at all to telling me bullshit and sucking up. They know I appreciate natural straight talking, and have seen me reject the sucking-up bullshiter types. They were merely explaining why they had avoided certain customers when I had noticed. I have seen which other customers they have been with plenty of times.
[QUOTE=Easy2007]
A dose of reality is always good. And does no harm. Annies is ok for some people, but really, Jodi summed it up quite well.[/QUOTE]
While I am not an Annies fan, its no surprise that you liked Jodi's attitude, while most others didn't.
I you payed someone beautiful to play pool against you, would you expect them to lose on purpose because you are paying or would you like her to try her best to beat you.
The answer is we want them to play properly and "for real" and even enjoy the game.
Paying for sex is not at all like paying to have your grass cut.
Bad analogy!
If you like to be just a receiver of paid service, good for you, but many will think you are missing part of the experience.
Purely receiving service is boring to me and not much of a turn on.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]What if you are an old, fat, balding, but VERY hansum man like I am?
In any case, I would bet that the ladies who claim that they don't like younger hansum men, in particular don't like their lack of financial generosity above all else.[/QUOTE]
She doesn't know what is going on outside of what she sees on Thai TV or what the other ho's tell her and you can tell she is lying when her lips are moving.
The last time I had one tell me she likes my type rather than setzy man because "setzy man is buttafly", I'd stop off for a cold one on one of the sois w/her and BF the cutest one I could get and tell the last one to get lost. I love the reaction I got. They need a dose of reality.
No you have got a very wrong analogy there about playing pool. There is no analogy that will suffice in being "comparative". Lets just say, when paying money to a girl for sex, you are in complete control, and the performane should be how you want it. You may or may not help her, make it mutually pleasureable, or not, however, as it is "paid for" you should get a service level that is at least "satisfying".
This is where a problem comes from in the mongering world.
Tips are tips.
Tips should be payed down from "standard" prices based on bad performance, and not "up from standard" on good performance.
Too many girls tell me that most farangs are stupid, and happily pay normal tips for bad service and higher tips for "normal", so they are not challenged to give good performance and happily become lazy.
Quite simply, if 1500 Baht is the tip for FS at an oily massage, then 1500 Baht should only be given if you are happy. You should not give 2000 Baht. And if the service was not good, you slip them 1000 Baht and tell them that service was not good enough.
If service is bad then feel free to stop the massage or service half way through, give them a small 500 baht tip, and leave the place early saying you are not happy.
You are a customer of a paid for service, and you should not suffer bad service.
Sadly there are far too many people who happily whinge and moan about poor service and still pay full tips, and those who think they are "Mr Special" and pay 2000 or 3000. You should know the girls do not like you anymore, yes they like your wallet and yes they will come running to see Mr Wallet with a big smile, but at the end of it you are only receiving "normal service" that you should have got for much less.
Tips should always start at standard and go down (and not up unless there are very special circumstances).
From April this year more and mor girls will be on the P4P scene, more supply means that service levels will go down, and thats not going to be helped unless people start to take service levels seriously, and expect paid for service to be good.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]While I am not an Annies fan, its no surprise that you liked Jodi's attitude, while most others didn't.
I you payed someone beautiful to play pool against you, would you expect them to lose on purpose because you are paying or would you like her to try her best to beat you.
The answer is we want them to play properly and "for real" and even enjoy the game.
Paying for sex is not at all like paying to have your grass cut.
Bad analogy!
If you like to be just a receiver of paid service, good for you, but many will think you are missing part of the experience.
Purely receiving service is boring to me and not much of a turn on.[/QUOTE]
Thinking about getting my teeth clean in BKK, any good places near Nana, aside from Bumrungrad.
Thanks in advance, LBM
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I'm willing to bet anyone could get laid in BKK. All it takes is $. Why do you think so many "losers" in their home countries come to Thailand.[/QUOTE]
I was trying to explain to a friend why third world countries have such large expat populations. Thanks for providing the explanation.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I'm willing to bet anyone could get laid in BKK. All it takes is $. Why do you think so many "losers" in their home countries come to Thailand.[/QUOTE]
What constitutes being a loser?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]No no, these girls have known me for a long time. There is no point at all to telling me bullshit and sucking up. They know I appreciate natural straight talking, and have seen me reject the sucking-up bullshiter types.[/QUOTE]So, Mick, you are suggesting that you can really believe what they tell you? This, in a culture that is extensively known for portraying an idealism that has little to do with (stark) reality. I am aware that you have lived in LOS for a reasonable time, but I must say that I wonder. Whether this is believable.
After all, the key to successful deception is to include some truth.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]What constitutes being a loser?[/QUOTE]Your mood/State of mind.
To be fare I must agree that there is a class of bargirl who likes young and handsome men.
Obviously a young and handsome man is more of a visual turn on than an older guy. The bargirl will usually spend a bit of time with him to suss out his character, is he a good guy or an arsehole, is he generous or stingy. Some of these girls are looking for potential boyfriends. These girls will probably be O.K. with somewhat older guys provided they meet certain standards, i.e. still looks good, still acts lively,etc.
Many of these girls are thinking more about what fun they might have with the guy than how much money they will make. Their hormones may be doing the thinking for them. Some of these girls will be competing with other girls in the bar as to who can hook the best looking man.
Girls in this category may well be good in bed with a young man that turns them on but become a starfish with an older ordinary looking guy that doesn't turn them on. Fortunately I don't meet starfish girls very often but I have had very weak performers that may well perform better with a young spunky guy.
I know bargirls that started out only going with young handsome men, and then only when the guy really turned them on. Over time they started going with more and more men, and older ones. Eventually these girls started to prefer the older O.K. looking guys because they paid better.
The key for older guys like me, when choosing a bargirl, is to watch that she is reacting well to me and giving the right signals. This is the main way to avoid the starfish. If she seems reluctant in any way, its probably better to choose again, as the sex may well be disappointing.
In MPs, we don't have this ability, so its more luck of the draw, although MP girls are used to going with all ages.
Although I am not a young handsome man, I am fortunately not looking in the really old category yet as hair has not gone all grey. I can't get magically young, but can look to improve my body shape and fitness through exercise.
My last GF even stopped calling me "Moo Uan" (fat piggy) after I lost 5 Kgs. So these measures do have an effect.
Overall I think any bargirl will weigh up a number of considerations in which customer she wants to hook, in varied priority:
* Will he pay well
* Is a nice cosiderate type
* Does he make her feel important
* Is he fun
* Is he good looking
* Does he have a hot body
* Is he too old
* Is he too demanding or too much hassle
* Is he manipulable.
Those bargirls with bad character will have a slightly different set of priorities.
I have been lurking for a few years and now have a small contribution to help other mongers. Found myself in Bangkok last week. Could not just go out and enjoy what was on offer. We all had name tags, so I'm sure you get the picture. Our hotel was about 500 meteres from the Starbucks at the entrance to Patpong. Found an excuse to miss a lunch meeting, and thanks to all the info on the forum went straight to SOL within 5 minutes. Outside were about 8 to ten fair looking young women sitting ariund talking and laughing. When I walked up they stopped talking and just stared. When I smiled the started smiling back. Looked over the lot and made eye contact with a couple, and nodded to one who looked the most animated and appealing. May be a 7 in the bright sunlight. Walked inside and she followed.
She asked if I wanted a drink and pointed to the sighn that said beer 80 baht, and lady drinks 100 baht, I shook my head no, and she held her hand up to her mouth and made a stroking hand and mouth motion for the universal BJ sign. I nodded yes, and she asked "How much you pay? " I said 700 baht ($20) and she said OK. I sat down on the black plastic sofa, and she knealed on the floor, unzipped my pants and statedt a great BJ. The bar gal was watching and anothe gal from outside walked up and whisperd that she woul join in if I wanted. While the first gal was liking and sucking (slowly and deeply at my request) I had a conversation with the 2nd gal and arrived at 500 baht for her to join. It was hard to get three people doing fun things on the little sofa very discreetly. The bar gal turned down the lights, no. 1 pulled my pants off completely and piled my shoes, socks, and all on the end of the sofa. No 2 started on my balls, licking and sucking gently. Every minute or two I would have them swich thier duties. No customers walked in for a drink or anything else, but the bar gal was watching pretty close and every once in a while a gal from outside would wonder in and say something to whoever was sucking and pat her head or back. Kind of a little Hi five. After about 20 minutes I could hold out no longer. Whoever was sucking lightened up, slowed down and kept going for another couple of minutes, until I said OK. Got every last drop from me. Used some toilet paper to spit in and the went behind the bar and started the gargle, choke, spit cycle for a couple of minutes. The back to me. A quick wipe with some TP, help with shoes socks and pants. I handed over 1200 baht. They smiled and said come back. I did, the next day. Say exact routine with two different gals.
Great $20 BJ with $15 assist.
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Old versus young. I guess it's quite obvious that aging make no one more attractive. Attitude, experience, wisdom and laid back behaviour often grow with age, not always of course. So, some girls might have made better experience with older fellows. For Bargirls this might be important. I do not often barfine bargirls, I prefer to hunt for freelancer girls in Clubs and Discos. There it's so, at least that is my experience, that younger and handsome guys will have more success.
There are many freelancer whose have a normal job, or a sponsor (mostly an older guy) who live abroad and send loads of money. The girls with a job, whose want to earn a bit more by going to farang discos, are looking for fun and money. So, even a middle age or older guy, who spend them drinks and money can be succesful. The girls who have rich sponsor, who are independent regarding money, are mainly looking for young and handsome guys. The older fellow might have them during his visits in Thailand, but inbetween, the have fun with a good looking guy in their age.
So, my general conclusion is that girls whose in need of money looking for guys with a good attitude and behaviour, regardless if young or old. Girls whose looking for sex and company, prefer younger guys.
I met last year a freelancer girl in Spice Club. She is usually working in Hong Kong. We were some days together in Bangkok and Pattaya. She had there some friends and sometimes we went out together. Her one friend had a sponsor from Switzerland. But, a boyfriend in Thailand. Her boyfriend was half English, half Thai and live with his parents in Bangkok. I am not sure if the sponsor care if she has a boyfriend beside him, or not. At least it's often so that the older fellow is for the money, the younger for the heart.
I am 39 year old, average looking and in quite good shape. The first time when I was in Thailand I was 23 years old. So, I have experience when I was young and now as a middle age guy.
Was the time better when I was young? I would say no. The sex is better now, since I have more money I can have better Hotels, can afford a better lifestil and since I have more experience I choose the better girls and treat them in the right way. Also, since I am not more so timid, I get the better looking girls.
I go to Thailand only for having a good time, not for looking for love, or a lifetime partner. So, thats the main reason why I enjoy Thailand now even more than when I was younger.
Love to read your reports and view of everything Mick.
You are really cutting things up to be analyzed.
I think we have our first doc in mongering.
PB
You people talk as if we are discussing normal romantic situations.
A bar girl is a bargirl. she is there to make money whichever way possible. She might have started out looking for romance to get her out of poverty, but
the demands on her to make money quickly is re inforced by her family, mamasan, her co workers etc.
I am sure many a bargirls have found romance and settled down. It is more likely that they have settled down with older guys. A bargirl would sincerely wish a free spending young guy to take her everywhere. In reality it is more of an exception than a rule.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]What constitutes being a loser?[/QUOTE]
From the RA Dictionary of Terms:
A man between the ages of 18 - 65 who can't get sex in his home country and therefore must travel to economically depressed foreign third-world countries to find women willing to do anything for money.
[QUOTE=*****man]Mick Licker, the girls tell you the things they think you want to hear. Of course if you're an old duffer the girl will tell you she doesn't like young handsome men. If you're a young handsome man she'll tell you she doesn't like old men. The reality is that most girls will go wild for a young handsome man. Instead of believing the nonsense the girls tell you, talk to some of these young guys and I can assure you they don't need your advice on how to get laid in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]This is not always the case. One TG regular I had did on a number of occasions speak of her preference for young handsome men. Which is one of the least of the reasons she is now history. BTW, she is from the south of BKK area near Phuket, which OTH has said has an in your face type of girl. But I have cum across at least two other P4P TGs who have spoken of liking young boys, and they were not southerners. At least so they claimed. In general, though, I think it is good advice to not believe anything a hooker says.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]From the RA Dictionary of Terms:
A man between the ages of 18 - 65 who can't get sex in his home country and therefore must travel to economically depressed foreign third-world countries to find women willing to do anything for money.[/QUOTE]
So your version of a loser does not exist because sex can be found by any man in any country. In the third world it’s only cheaper and the quality is great :D
Was in BKK early in Jan and visited Nana Plaza. Whilst seated in a bar called "Pretty Lady" or similar on the ground floor I saw a middle aged mongerer grab a pantieless girl dancing on the stage, pulled her towards him, pushed his head betweeb her legs, and proceeded to dine at the "Big Y".
Now that is what I call living on the edge! Wonder if his tongue was still pink and normal looking in the morning. The look on the girls face was priceless. She was clearly impressed.
After 30 seconds of slurping he went back to his beer.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]From the RA Dictionary of Terms:
A man between the ages of 18 - 65 who can't get sex in his home country and therefore must travel to economically depressed foreign third-world countries to find women willing to do anything for money.[/QUOTE]
Wait - but I already belong to a third-world country - Egypt. I still travel abroad for sex because of religious/social traditions (no sex before marriage + I am Christian in a country where 90% are Muslim) and the fact you can't marry someone from a 'social/wealth class' beneath yours. I belong to a tiny wealthy minority (3%) whose women are even stingier than Western Woman. Although educated, they are too lazy in many things. Cannot fuck, clean or cook. Prefer to hire maids. Once you marry them you fuck them once and that's it. Complain that sex is disgusting and that they are tired. As they age their skin gets worse and body not up-to-shape due to eating habits. They are only just interested in drinking coffee, buying designer clothes and showing off to their friends.
So why waste your money in them? I would just hire a Filipina domestic instead to do all my house-work. And maybe fuck too. None of that American Woman crap.
By the way I am 19, am not fat or anything, drive a BMW 5 Series and have plenty of inheritance, so it has nothing to do with being a loser.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Thinking about getting my teeth clean in BKK, any good places near Nana, aside from Bumrungrad.
Thanks in advance, LBM[/QUOTE]Nana Square. Less than half a block from NEP and Nana Hotel.
Costs less than 30 dollars.
[QUOTE=*****man]Mick Licker, the girls tell you the things they think you want to hear. Of course if you're an old duffer the girl will tell you she doesn't like young handsome men. If you're a young handsome man she'll tell you she doesn't like old men. The reality is that most girls will go wild for a young handsome man. Instead of believing the nonsense the girls tell you, talk to some of these young guys and I can assure you they don't need your advice on how to get laid in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I've been staying in LOS for the last 4-5 year now. At one point i was staying in Pattaya for a year and a half. There i became friends with a lot of the go go girls there. I even know many that i never boom boomed with. Some of them admit that they like younger boys and sometimes go for free with them. But most of the girls told me that they prefer a little more matured men, because they treat the girls better and that they not have power to boom boom all night. I'm 35 year myself, but is always mistaken for being 22-25, even in Europe. So i like to believe that i have the best of two worlds.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]From the RA Dictionary of Terms:
A man between the ages of 18 - 65 who can't get sex in his home country and therefore must travel to economically depressed foreign third-world countries to find women willing to do anything for money.[/QUOTE]From the E2007 Dictionary of Terms :
Any man between the ages of 18 - 65 who can't travel (either due to marriage, poverty, lack of will etc..) to foreign countries to find women willing to do anything for money.
[QUOTE=Rguy89]Wait - but I already belong to a third-world country - Egypt. I still travel abroad for sex because of religious/social traditions (no sex before marriage + I am Christian in a country where 90% are Muslim) and the fact you can't marry someone from a 'social/wealth class' beneath yours. I belong to a tiny wealthy minority (3%) whose women are even stingier than Western Woman. Although educated, they are too lazy in many things. Cannot fuck, clean or cook. Prefer to hire maids. Once you marry them you fuck them once and that's it. Complain that sex is disgusting and that they are tired. As they age their skin gets worse and body not up-to-shape due to eating habits. They are only just interested in drinking coffee, buying designer clothes and showing off to their friends.
So why waste your money in them? I would just hire a Filipina domestic instead to do all my house-work. And maybe fuck too. None of that American Woman crap.
By the way I am 19, am not fat or anything, drive a BMW 5 Series and have plenty of inheritance, so it has nothing to do with being a loser.[/QUOTE]
Egypt-A third world country? Just a q Rguy89.
Is it really on the third world list? I`ve been there in Kairo
and Sharm but I think I didn`t see the poverty.
PB
Have fun with this one gents (if you like)!
Next month a few buddies and I are heading to the LOS for some much needed R&R. A few of us have been before, some of us haven't. I have, and have read this forum thoroughly over the years, so I know all the basic ropes. Here's my info/idea request:
If you have a budget of say USD 5000 to 10,000 for a couple good nights out (5 people) in BKK and/or Pattaya, and were looking to create a "once in a lifetime" type experience (s), how would you spend it?
Feel free to think way out of the box. Also doesn't entirely need to involve sex (though doesn't need to exclude it either), nor does the idea need to spend the entire budget. I'm looking more for creativity and memorability here.
I'll report back on what we ended up doing, how it went, and what other ideas I got from this.
Thanks in advance!
-B-
[QUOTE=Primo Bolan]Egypt-A third world country? Is it really on the third world list? I`ve been there in Kairo and Sharm but I think I didn`t see the poverty.[/QUOTE]
The CIA World Factbook reports a 'purchasing power parity' per capita income of $5,500 in Egypt, compared to the $8,700 it reports for Thailand, so it is considerably poorer than Thailand. Of course 'PPP' is, in my opinion, less useful than 'real' income, but that would be even lower for either country. Certainly if you consider as well the extreme level of inequality Egypt and Thailand are both 'third world' or 'developing' countries.
[QUOTE=DG69]Old versus young. I guess it's quite obvious that aging make no one more attractive. Attitude, experience, wisdom and laid back behaviour often grow with age, not always of course. So, some girls might have made better experience with older fellows. For Bargirls this might be important. I do not often barfine bargirls, I prefer to hunt for freelancer girls in Clubs and Discos. There it's so, at least that is my experience, that younger and handsome guys will have more success.
There are many freelancer whose have a normal job, or a sponsor (mostly an older guy) who live abroad and send loads of money. The girls with a job, whose want to earn a bit more by going to farang discos, are looking for fun and money. So, even a middle age or older guy, who spend them drinks and money can be succesful. The girls who have rich sponsor, who are independent regarding money, are mainly looking for young and handsome guys. The older fellow might have them during his visits in Thailand, but inbetween, the have fun with a good looking guy in their age.
So, my general conclusion is that girls whose in need of money looking for guys with a good attitude and behaviour, regardless if young or old. Girls whose looking for sex and company, prefer younger guys.
I met last year a freelancer girl in Spice Club. She is usually working in Hong Kong. We were some days together in Bangkok and Pattaya. She had there some friends and sometimes we went out together. Her one friend had a sponsor from Switzerland. But, a boyfriend in Thailand. Her boyfriend was half English, half Thai and live with his parents in Bangkok. I am not sure if the sponsor care if she has a boyfriend beside him, or not. At least it's often so that the older fellow is for the money, the younger for the heart.
I am 39 year old, average looking and in quite good shape. The first time when I was in Thailand I was 23 years old. So, I have experience when I was young and now as a middle age guy.
Was the time better when I was young? I would say no. The sex is better now, since I have more money I can have better Hotels, can afford a better lifestil and since I have more experience I choose the better girls and treat them in the right way. Also, since I am not more so timid, I get the better looking girls.
I go to Thailand only for having a good time, not for looking for love, or a lifetime partner. So, thats the main reason why I enjoy Thailand now even more than when I was younger.[/QUOTE]
So this is an interesting topic with no absolute rights and wrongs and is probably girl dependent. I have mongered a lot with different girls in different places (Pattaya, BKK, Sing, KL, Penang, Japan, china..) and never been turned down by a girl because of my age or looks. I have asked several girls about this and they said DUH..why would you get turned down. You are not old looking, fat, bald, ugly stinky or mean. Girls are here to make money and you are ok. I am 48 but look younger, reasonably fit and always treat the girls decently. I am no stud but look ok, have my hair and some muscles.
My conclusion is that if the only consideration is a one time sex partner, they would pick a young man because they are better looking and well.. younger. The girls are usually turned off by an excessively ugly man or really fat or with bad BO and a really old man (their grandfather's age). If they really need the money, they will go anyway but they don't like it.
But..the WGs are looking for different things...to be treated well, not f****d to death (usually by a younger man), if they are into the sex they want a good lover (older men are better than younger), chances for a long time relationship or money are better with an older man...older men have more money. They have had better history with older men. They see older men as better providers, better husbands/lovers, better everything. They may even have a "daddy complex".
Bottom line is that older men meet more of their needs than younger men. However, looks are important. They have to find you physically attractive or they will not get into the sex and they are just servicing you.
So the sweet spot is: 40s..50s, not too fat, reasonably attractive, clean, not stingy, treat them nice. If you can meet their emotional needs you can even overcome some unnattractiveness.
I have had a Thai gik for several years. She worries she is getting "too old" for me - and she is only 25yrs. I lost a few pounds and shaved my beard. Now she complains I look too young and she is worried I will have more temptations from younger girls. She wants me to gain 20 pounds.
I have had several WG reach orgasm with me, fall in love with me, want to stay with me for free. Usually older, not as attractive or new to the game.
My conclusion is age works in our favor up to a point (+ 20 or 25yrs ok). Looks, cleanliness and personality do count a lot and are more important. Speaking their language, making them laugh, allowing them to save face are all factors that help your cause too.
EB
@Eric Burden.
You are right it depends on the girl what she prefer. Just in Thailand or other countries with many poor people, the situation is different because money is more important than anything else.
If you have a situation like in the US or Europe, where woman and man have more or less the same income, the same rights and where is even a certain surplus on men, than you can see what kind of man, woman usually want.
Normally woman choose guys in the same age group. If he is rich or famous, than a bigger age difference is tolerable for them.
[QUOTE=Eric Burden]
Bottom line is that older men meet more of their needs than younger men. However, looks are important. They have to find you physically attractive or they will not get into the sex and they are just servicing you.
[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything that you said except the quoted bit.
It would be safer to say they might have to find you physically acceptable.
Women all round the world are not always motivated by looks of a guy. I have seen many a pretty girl go for a very plain guy, fat, balding, freckled, older, whatever, because she likes his personality. I include the non P4P scene here.
Girls can indeed enjoy fucking ordinary looking guys. Lets face it. Only a small percentage of guys are really great looking and many of those are gays.
The good thing about Thai P4p girls is that a fair percentage are willing to enjoy the sex some of the time. This is not at all true in my home country.
How far is Patpong from Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy? With a choice, which araea is better? Also, which area offers better hotels (in the med level range (food,comfort,cost)). I have been to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy before, just wonder if Patpong was worth the change. Thanks M&M
[QUOTE=Mimonger]How far is Patpong from Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy? With a choice, which araea is better? Also, which area offers better hotels (in the med level range (food,comfort,cost)). I have been to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy before, just wonder if Patpong was worth the change. Thanks M&M[/QUOTE]
Look on the Map marker B:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Pat+Pong,+Fun+Massage,+Bangkok&sll=13.752141,100.551939&sspn=0.062778,0.11158&gl=au&ie=UTF8&ll=13.731214,100.519238&spn=0.062783,0.11158&z=14[/url]
You will see that Pat Pong is about 4 underground stops from Sukhumvit (Soi Cowboy).
But you gave us the answer: "Pat Pong" and asked us to guess the question about why you might want to go there.
This is backwards.
I go to Pat Pong for Infinity JC Soapy MP, fake Louis Vuiton handbags, etc.
Who knows why you might go there? :confused:
There are only occasional reports about Pat Pong as it is known as an area with "rip off" bars, ugly show bars, ladyboy bars, gay bars nearby, etc. There are some BlowJob bars that might be "better".
By all means have a look out of curiosity but its easy to go into the wrong place!
[QUOTE=Mimonger]How far is Patpong from Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy? With a choice, which araea is better? Also, which area offers better hotels (in the med level range (food,comfort,cost)). I have been to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy before, just wonder if Patpong was worth the change. Thanks M&M[/QUOTE]
Don't get a taxi between these two areas: You will be in the taxi somewhere between forever and a day; I have actually got out and walked in the past. Motorbiketaxis are a viable alternative if you are not scared by having your knees brushing against the hard metal of stationary cars for a few kilos :eek:.
[QUOTE=Mimonger]How far is Patpong from Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy? With a choice, which araea is better? Also, which area offers better hotels (in the med level range (food,comfort,cost)). I have been to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy before, just wonder if Patpong was worth the change. Thanks M&M[/QUOTE]
Nana to Soi Cowboy is an easy 10 minute walk.
Patpong is for tourists who don't know any better than go there and gays. Which are you?
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Nana to Soi Cowboy is an easy 10 minute walk.
Patpong is for tourists who don't know any better than go there and gays. Which are you?[/QUOTE]
Maybe he is neither. Star Of Light can be one of the more fun places for sextourists.
[QUOTE=Rguy89]Wait - but I already belong to a third-world country - Egypt. I still travel abroad for sex because of religious/social traditions (no sex before marriage + I am Christian in a country where 90% are Muslim) and the fact you can't marry someone from a 'social/wealth class' beneath yours. I belong to a tiny wealthy minority (3%) whose women are even stingier than Western Woman. Although educated, they are too lazy in many things. Cannot fuck, clean or cook. Prefer to hire maids. Once you marry them you fuck them once and that's it. Complain that sex is disgusting and that they are tired. As they age their skin gets worse and body not up-to-shape due to eating habits. They are only just interested in drinking coffee, buying designer clothes and showing off to their friends.
So why waste your money in them? I would just hire a Filipina domestic instead to do all my house-work. And maybe fuck too. None of that American Woman crap.
By the way I am 19, am not fat or anything, drive a BMW 5 Series and have plenty of inheritance, so it has nothing to do with being a loser.[/QUOTE]
I think what it comes down to is age and experience.When I was your age I couldn't get laid in Nana Plaza with a 1000 baht bill glued to my forehead. However, by my late 20's to early 40's I had more good looking women (Egyptian and otherwise) in their 30's and early 40's than I could handle begging for me to fvck them. My personal best was three separate women in one day. Not counting the threesomes my married paramour and I used to have with her girlfriends. It's the same now that I'm in my 50's. But, I am not as horney as I used to be and the quality of women I can fuck for free has gone down hill so I might as well be married.
I spent quite a bit of time in Cairo, which if I remember correctly is in Egypt, and was laid regulary for free. Heck, my friends and I used to get laid several times a month in Pakistan all by married women who were forced at a young age to marry men they detested. Might of also had something to do with the fact that we didn't have the need to prove ourselves or show off our wealth by driving a BMW. Which to me doesn't prove anything. I'll take my manly man's Dodge Ram pickup over your sissy little BMW anyday.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Maybe he is neither. Star Of Light can be one of the more fun places for sextourists.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I forgot about the Star of Light, although I have only been there once and that was years ago.
Radio City Music Hall used to be a fun place to go to see "Elvis" but last time I was there it was closed.
My personal view and definition is this... We are all somewhat losers! That's why we are on the this board. Regardless of your age, where you are from and how ugly or handsome and rich you think you are.. We are all losers! Look in the mirror fellas, you are loser I'm a loser, Retired Army is a loser. It doesn't bother me one bit. One got to do what one's got to do. But as long as someone doesn't say " your a fucking losers " I don't have a problem with it but I got to draw a line somewhere.
LBM, the loser!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]My personal view and definition is this... We are all somewhat losers! That's why we are on the this board. Regardless of your age, where you are from and how ugly or handsome and rich you think you are.. We are all losers! Look in the mirror fellas, you are loser I'm a loser, Retired Army is a loser. It doesn't bother me one bit. One got to do what one's got to do. But as long as someone doesn't say " your a fucking losers " I don't have a problem with it but I got to draw a line somewhere.
LBM, the loser![/QUOTE]
Opinions are like A-holes. We all have them and some stink more than others, but in the end they all stink. i wasn't always a loser, but age caught up with me.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]From the RA Dictionary of Terms:
A man between the ages of 18 - 65 who can't get sex in his home country and therefore must travel to economically depressed foreign third-world countries to find women willing to do anything for money.[/QUOTE]
I can get sex here near San Francisco. Too many have kids, are over weight, and are only interested if you're a Doctor, lawyer, or engineer, Within 2 minutes they allways ask where you live, and do You own a home!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]My personal view and definition is this... We are all somewhat losers! That's why we are on the this board. Regardless of your age, where you are from and how ugly or handsome and rich you think you are.. We are all losers! Look in the mirror fellas, you are loser I'm a loser, Retired Army is a loser. It doesn't bother me one bit. One got to do what one's got to do. But as long as someone doesn't say " your a fucking losers " I don't have a problem with it but I got to draw a line somewhere.
LBM, the loser![/QUOTE]
I'M A HAPPY LOSER! This is the life I choose for myself, as a Monger and I enjoy it! At 50yrs old and havin' a great time. Wish I was a loser sooner! And I don't envy those 'winners'(except for the lotto winners). With thier fat white wives! I have experianced more pleasure in one trip then many 'winners' experiance in a lifetime!
On my way for 30 days to LOS and I will surely lose some $. Darn lost again!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]My personal view and definition is this... We are all somewhat losers! That's why we are on the this board. Regardless of your age, where you are from and how ugly or handsome and rich you think you are.. We are all losers! Look in the mirror fellas, you are loser I'm a loser, Retired Army is a loser..[/QUOTE]
Why? Why are we all losers? Because we are on ISG? Guys I apologize for cluttering up the Bangkok board with this nonsense but I want people to explain when they make blanket statements like this.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Only a small percentage of guys are really great looking and many of those are gays.[/QUOTE]
I can say I know a few in BKK... they are European Male Models, really good looking and ALL gay. I always laugh when I see them at the gym, all the girls look at them with hungry eyes until they realise they are Gay :D
[QUOTE=Retired Army]...i wasn't always a loser, but age caught up with me.[/QUOTE]
If you entered the Army as a young man, by definition, you were a loser then too. ;)
[QUOTE=Retired Army]From the RA Dictionary of Terms:
A man between the ages of 18 - 65 who can't get sex in his home country and therefore must travel to economically depressed foreign third-world countries to find women willing to do anything for money.[/QUOTE]RA,
That's me!!!
[QUOTE=Retired Army]...Patpong is for tourists who don't know any better than go there and gays. Which are you?[/QUOTE]You seam to be a bit tense :) ...
Giotto
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]...
I go to Pat Pong for Infinity JC Soapy MP, fake Louis Vuiton handbags, etc.
...
[/QUOTE]Mick,
Just for the records: There are places where you can buy those handbags much cheaper - a tourist should NOT buy in Patpong.
Giotto
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I can say I know a few in BKK... they are European Male Models, really good looking and ALL gay. I always laugh when I see them at the gym, all the girls look at them with hungry eyes until they realise they are Gay :D[/QUOTE]
Nic,
More Star of Light exercise, less gym :D.
Uncle Terry
Talking about Star of Light, a complete Moron started a rumor that SOL had closed its doors for good. The guy posted in a Pattaya Forum (what a surprise).
Don't get nervous guys, fortunately SOL is open and the bunch of Hungry wet mouths await your cocks!
[QUOTE=Giotto]Mick,
Just for the records: There are places where you can buy those handbags much cheaper - a tourist should NOT buy in Patpong.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Well actually I didn't buy yet. So fill me in on best place for quality copy at a good price.
I think Silom was even recommended by a Thai girl as the best place. Perhaps not right in Pat Pong.
I was also weighing up the pros and cons of taking a shopping expert (girl) with me to help get a good price. :D
[QUOTE=Retired Army]...i wasn't always a loser, but age caught up with me.[/QUOTE]
And this reveals the truth of the matter - human existence is a misery, and is mainly about decline, loss, regret, illness, pain, and death. Being a "loser" is universal, though obviously the degree of suffering depends on how much money you have.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Nic,
More Star of Light exercise, less gym :D.
Uncle Terry[/QUOTE]
You can get a good workout with SOL girls, but only if do takeout to get into more spacious fuck nest.
Sitting on the couch getting blown is not exercise.
It is possible to screw but not comfortable enough for a really long screw and others tend to want the couch to be available soon.
[QUOTE=Opebo]And this reveals the truth of the matter - human existence is a misery, and is mainly about decline, loss, regret, illness, pain, and death. Being a "loser" is universal, though obviously the degree of suffering depends on how much money you have.[/QUOTE]
Its a good thing we caught you in a cheerful mood today ;).
[QUOTE=Mimonger]How far is Patpong from Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy? With a choice, which araea is better? Also, which area offers better hotels (in the med level range (food,comfort,cost)). I have been to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy before, just wonder if Patpong was worth the change. Thanks M&M[/QUOTE]NEP is superior to Cowboy becuz of all the street walking *****s, and the abundance of seven elevens within one block.
"I live among the creatures of the night.
I haven't got the will to fight".
Things must be slow in BKK; just went through the past five pages: A YMMV report on Annies, squables about who's a loser and what age group P4P girls like, and something about a teeth cleaning. Hmmm. What we need is a stimulus package.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]If you entered the Army as a young man, by definition, you were a loser then too. ;)[/QUOTE]
I was drafted.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Why? Why are we all losers? Because we are on ISG? Guys I apologize for cluttering up the Bangkok board with this nonsense but I want people to explain when they make blanket statements like this.[/QUOTE]
I make "blanket statements" like this to get responses from people like you,
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I was drafted.[/QUOTE]If I may ask you in which country.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I was drafted.[/QUOTE]If I may ask you, in which country?