Moscow

Hello everybody,

I will come in Moscow in September, I will stay in Cosmos hotel as usual, the different thing from the past is that now I have a girlfriend there but she don't have visa. How can I do to bring her in the room?

Thanks in advance for your help!

[QUOTE=Jake993]Damn Piz, that could be a loooong time!!!!![/QUOTE]

I mean it. I will never go there, as long as the same shitty management is in place. Maybe it's because I was recently in other cities which had well-managed wh0re bars, but Hot Dog is a fucking joke, and I hate all the people who work there from the bitchy cashier to the goons at the door to the barmen who ignore you to the uppity kalyanchik. They can rot in hell for all I care.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]...They can rot in hell for all I care.[/QUOTE]

Hey Pizdyets they really made you angry....but for what exactly ?

What I never understood is that from 5-6 year ago, when more or less hungry duck closed, the only 2 pick up bar in Moscow are only NF and Hot Dog.

How can be possible in such a big city only 2 pick up bars ?

Ok tochka, privat apartment and so on, but I mean, according to Prosal reports, even a much smaller city as Tashkent has much more pick up bars.

Now with Hot Dog shitty, NF with crazy prices, no one decent pick up bar in all Moscow, right or am I missing something guys ?

You are right, indeed.

I don't want to underline that, now forumers write a similar opinion to mine when I have been to Moscow last year (for the first time)... But main questions remain:

- are there any modern "facilities" for meeting and sex in Moscow? Soviet-style brothels and roads at night are not good "facilities" for the modern economy;

- high prices for what? Is it possible customers pay high prices for something next to zero? Even in a bigot country like Italy, customers can find some beautiful and piggish Slavics for cheap prices.

In my opinion, Moscow is a excellent city for work and to create Russian friendships. The best way for a normal fuck is to meet people in their regular life, not models but that is free. All the rest is a waste of money: happy days have gone a lot of years ago.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hey Pizdyets they really made you angry....but for what exactly ?

What I never understood is that from 5-6 year ago, when more or less hungry duck closed, the only 2 pick up bar in Moscow are only NF and Hot Dog.

How can be possible in such a big city only 2 pick up bars ?

Ok tochka, privat apartment and so on, but I mean, according to Prosal reports, even a much smaller city as Tashkent has much more pick up bars.

Now with Hot Dog shitty, NF with crazy prices, no one decent pick up bar in all Moscow, right or am I missing something guys ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Now with Hot Dog shitty, NF with crazy prices, no one decent pick up bar in all Moscow, right or am I missing something guys ?[/QUOTE]Luka,

The answer is, it depends...

If you are a tourist, in Moscow for a week on business, don't speak any Russian, can't find your way around and don't understand Russian culture, there really isn't much opportunity for sex, paid or otherwise. The heady days of the end of the Soviet Union are long gone. The dyeffki are not going to follow you home any more with nothing more than a promise of a new pair of Adidas, or Levi's.

On the other hand, if you speak a little Russian (enough to have a basic conversation) can make your way around the city and understand something of Russian culture, then Moscow remains a galaxy of sexual possibilities, paid and otherwise.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Luka,

The answer is, it depends...[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I meant, a pick up bar, with hookers !

A third place like Hot Dog and Night Flight are, like it was hungry duck, when in 2004 I got my first pro in my first travel to Moscow.

I am sure there are many normal discos with normal girls, that's obvious in such a big city, I really meant prostitutes go or to HD or to NF ?

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Sorry, I meant, a pick up bar, with hookers ![/QUOTE]I know, so did I. :) And in 2004, you could take a gorgeous babe out of Night Flight for 200-300 USD.

Hot Dog's and Night Flight are still there, but the experience has deteriorated to the point where you'd be better off in Vegas, than Moscow.

There are places like Aurora 911 and Penthouse Club, where you can pick up a beautiful Russian girl for on-premises sex, if you can afford it. Again, if you're a tourist and it's your only time in Moscow, then it's no big deal. There are plenty of clubs in Moscow where you can have the same experience for less, but if you don't speak Russian, you probably won't get past the front door.

I'm afraid Moscow is simply no longer a mongering destination. There are too many other places in the world where it's much easier to find women who are (almost) as beautiful, for prices that are a lot less, without the hassles of language and culture.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I know, so did I. :) ..[/QUOTE]

So sorry Stravvie :)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]...I'm afraid Moscow is simply no longer a mongering destination...[/QUOTE]

And probably will never be again....

Actually I'd go back again to Moscow as 2-3 days stop going to some other cities, but more for the fact the city really fascinates me together the fun of get a tochka, than for its night life ( obviously from my point of view... ).


[QUOTE=Stravinsky]...There are too many other places in the world where it's much easier to find women who are (almost) as beautiful, for prices that are a lot less, without the hassles of language and culture.[/QUOTE]

Even if she was not an unbelievable GFE but I got a girl from Tver in Cola in Augsburg last sunday, it was funny to practice my russian again ( you should see how she reacted with open eyes when I start to speak russian :D ) and to speak about Tver, cause I was there in 2008 and.... 50 euro 30 minutes DFK, DATY and BBBJ..... for one travelling on his expenses is not bad....

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
I'm afraid Moscow is simply no longer a mongering destination. There are too many other places in the world where it's much easier to find women who are (almost) as beautiful, for prices that are a lot less, without the hassles of language and culture.[/QUOTE] Sadly Strav, that about sums it up. You can still get a girl (and damn fine good looking one a that) for a better price than in NYC, Dallas, or London but as a mongering destination it's just........ not. Anymore. There are far too many other places to go to spend your money on elicit vices that are easier on the wallet. Doesn't mean I will stop coming to Moscow though!!!!!!! But I may follow Pizdyets lead and join the picket line against "The Dog".

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Actually I'd go back again to Moscow as 2-3 days stop going to some other cities, but more for the fact the city really fascinates me[/QUOTE]True, Moscow is one of the most beautiful, fascinating and exciting cities in the world.

[QUOTE]Even if she was not an unbelievable GFE but I got a girl from Tver in Cola in Augsburg last sunday, it was funny to practice my russian again ( you should see how she reacted with open eyes when I start to speak russian :D )[/QUOTE]Yes, that's another strategy. It seems the FKK clubs in Germany and Austria have plenty of eastern European girls, including Russians and Ukrainians (if you can handle sex in 1/2 hour increments). No visa hassles, no need to register yourself, just pick up your passport and go. You can keep the Romanian girls though, they're not for me. I've had enough of them to last me a lifetime.

Now Russian women on the other hand... ;)

[QUOTE=Jake993]But I may follow Pizdyets lead and join the picket line against "The Dog".[/QUOTE]Mongera vsyekh strahn... so-ye-din-yai-et-syess! (Mongers of the world, unite!)

Is Monger feminine or masculine? I'll bet Pizdyets knows... :)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Mongera vsyekh strahn... so-ye-din-yai-et-syess! (Mongers of the world, unite!)

Is Monger feminine or masculine? I'll bet Pizdyets knows... :)[/QUOTE]

Nah, I don't know the Russian word for monger. But it'd have to be masculine, right? And in that case, the nominative plural would be монгеры (mongery), which IMO has a nice ring to it.

I concur with everyone that Moscow is far too big of a city to have just 2 wh0re bars, but that's a fact. I do occasionally run into wh0res in pubs, bars and clubs, but they're not strictly loaded with just wh0res. Who do I blame? The police. They want their cut, and it's in turn passed along to guys like you and me. Which is why it's more economical to deal with freelancers who don't have to pay a cut to "the man" (ie mamba, intimcity, rusdosug, etc). Still it's not my standard MO (I like to chat up a girl and test the waters before choosing).

I read in the reports on sextalk.ru that apparently Fantasys has returned to its old digs on Kozitskii pereulok, now that the new remont is finished. That's the same location it used to be in, across Tverskaya from Night Flight.

Can anyone confirm this?

Arrived back in Moscow on Sunday and went to NightFlight with the sole intention (honestly) of paying for the golf tournament on Friday. However decided to stay for one beer!

It is very quiet on a Sunday, approx 20 ladies and maybe 5 potential clients. So naturally the few ladies there were very attentive. Stood at the bar, ordered my beer and noticed a lot of eye contact, pursed lips and pushed up boobs. To be honest I was not interested having entertained one of my Omen chicks in the afternoon.

A few minutes later a very attractive, dark hared girl came to stand next to me. She started with the normal questions; what is your name? Where are you from etc. She was lovely but I just was not interested. Then came the great question; is this your first visit to NightFlight? I love this one! I asked her how old are you, after a little hesitation, she said 29(probably correct), I then replied – “you were about 14 when I first came here. Rather than looking shocked, she laughed.

I told here that I was only in for a beer, I would be happy to talk to her, but if she needed a customer she should look elsewhere. It was a very quiet night so we started talking. A friend came in, also just for a beer, and joined the conversation. I bought her a drink, then another. The conversation was light and most enjoyable.

It was getting late for a Sunday and I said that I was leaving. She looked sad and asked if she could come with me. I replied that it would not be a commercial visit, her reply – “I want sex tonight”.

To cut a long story short, we went back to the apartment, had some tea and then great sex. Kissing, BBBJ, DATY in fact almost everything. It was a superb experience. She left at about 04:00, without any mention of money, however as I had enjoyed her so much I did place a small contribution in her purse. She called me later to say thank you and to assure me that she wanted some fun and not necessarily for payment.

Lately I have been very disappointed with the NF ladies, hard bargains and generally hurried, poor sex. This was a great surprise and a reminder that NF lives and supports the community! I will not give the name or description of the lady for obvious reasons!

NF has been a part of my life for a very long time. Many years ago the evenings there would be great fund and even then freebies, whilst very rare, were possible. I did not expect this in 2010.

BTW are any other members playing in the NF golf tournament on Friday?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I read in the reports on sextalk.ru that apparently Fantasys has returned to its old digs on Kozitskii pereulok, now that the new remont is finished. That's the same location it used to be in, across Tverskaya from Night Flight.

Can anyone confirm this?[/QUOTE]

Haven't been, but that's what I understand. The location on Pokrovka is now called "Atell".

[QUOTE=Sharalumi]
NF has been a part of my life for a very long time. Many years ago the evenings there would be great fund and even then freebies, whilst very rare, were possible. I did not expect this in 2010.

BTW are any other members playing in the NF golf tournament on Friday?[/QUOTE]

Good to hear. Slim odds but I suppose anything is possible. Well done.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I had a chance to visit Petrovich a couple of years ago, maybe 3, mid-week. A Muscovite friend of mine turned me on to it and I remember it being just as you described. Funny how the icons of the old Soviet Union have now become chic.

It is a private club, but they don't get serious about facing people until later in the evening, maybe 21:00, something like that. So, our strategy was to enter early at 19:00 for dinner and then just linger on into the evening. It seems you can stay as long as you like once you are in. Nobody threw us out anyway.[/QUOTE]
Just came across the posts about this interesting venue.
Strav, are you saying that if you go for dinner early enough you can dodge the membership requirement and face control? Or do you still need a membership?

Any idea what membership costs? The web-site only talks about having to fill out an application and get nominations from existing members.

GT,

Yes, when I was there, maybe 3 or 4 years ago, it did seem to be possible to dodge the entry requirement by arriving early. I think we arrived around 19:00, maybe a little later. But, then, one of the girls in our group claimed to be a friend of the manager. Maybe she was, maybe not: maybe it helped, maybe it didn't, who knows.

Don't know what a membership costs, but I doubt if it's very expensive. The club is mainly for people who still remember Sovyetskom Soyuz, the memorabilia and memory of which has now, apparently, become chic.

Dear all

I believe this subject has been touched upon in the past but I thought due to recent experiences the "debate" could be opened again.

Sure, we talk long and hard about the high density of pretty, young, intelligent, flirticious girls available in Moscow but perhaps the true gems, the most profitable market segment of the population is those (many divorced, other simply missed the boat and never married) mature Russian women in their mid-late thirties till mid 40s.

By no means I am suggesting I don't like 22 years old bimbos or that I will stop chasing them but what is true is that I am becoming increasingly tired of the energy, money and time it takes to achieve the only purpose of fornication. Unavoidably, these smart young girls since they increasingly holiday/work in Europe, use dating sites etc understand nowadays the value of their bodies in the global fuck market and they want you to work on it. And there is competition (there is a good bunch of Russian guys with quite a bit of cash who play at home and have something to say as well). On the other hand, miriads of Russian milfs see the propect of having sex with a foreigner the most exciting thing ever happen to them in the last decade and an unforgettable experience. Much less competition.

Chronology of events of a recent perfect first date evening with an internet mum to give an example:

7:00pm: Meeting at a central Moscow square, where she attended with extreme puntuality (take note younger girls) although bringing also along a female friend colleague due to a misuderstanding with one of my previous online jokes. No problem, friend pulls away and leaves us alone. She: late 30s (allegedlly) with older face looking than in the pictures but with what it seems after a quick glance to be a decent sporty body similar to what I expected from the pictures. After a brief walk I proposed to have tea at my place since it is just around the corner. She accepts!

7:30pm: Up in the flat, tea for two and chit chat continues. This time I bring the subject of fantasies and virtual sex. Surprise surprise, she claims to prefer real sex. Tea is finished so I proposed this time to give her a back massage. She accepts!

7:45pm: Upper clothes off, then trousers off, arse is actually not bad at all, well I think I should go for it! After 10 mins of massage my friend turns to be a multi-orgasmic, fist-fucking addict who caressed, kissed, massaged, wanked, worshipped, licked my mini-me and eventually sucked (in two long rounds) every single sperm drop in my body with remarkable passion and skill. Wooohuuu!

9:15pm: Post coital shower and tea (not a drop of alcohol involved, which also greatly pleases my liver)

9:30pm: I show the way out the building, no need to even accompany her to the tube station she knows her way (great, I don't feel like dressing up!). Poka.

Project summary: Completed in exactly 2h and 30 mins. Financial damage 0 Rubles. 0 damage to health. And a the rest of the evening free for other matters.

I acknowledge I had to put several hours of online effort the previous week to find my victim but don't you think these older ladies offer a way of expediting sexual needs in an uncomplicated way which is largely underrated?. Aren't the laws of fuck market largely distorted against them.

Someone might say this can be beaten by a free fuck in NF but I simply believe there are not the same probabilities of both events to ocurr

[QUOTE=Vigilantemoscow]I believe this subject has been touched upon in the past but I thought due to recent experiences the "debate" could be opened again.

Sure, we talk long and hard about the high density of pretty, young, intelligent, flirticious girls available in Moscow but perhaps the true gems, the most profitable market segment of the population is those (many divorced, other simply missed the boat and never married) mature Russian women in their mid-late thirties till mid 40s.
...but don't you think these older ladies offer a way of expediting sexual needs in an uncomplicated way which is largely underrated?. Aren't the laws of fuck market largely distorted against them.

Someone might say this can be beaten by a free fuck in NF but I simply believe there are not the same probabilities of both events to ocurr[/QUOTE]
I agree absolutely!

Last trip I had to EE I had a date with a 35 (probably) year old MILF.
Good looking, great rack, easy to meet and talk to.
Met her at 23:00 at my hotel, gave her one drink in the lobby.
Up to my room for gymnastics and playing with her glorious globes.
Departs at 1:00 am THANKING ME for the sex - it had been a while for her.
No money changed hands, although there was some vague talk about doing a mini-vacation together sometime - a thing I would love to do.

Of course I would rather have the same experience with a 25 year old model.
But that will require serious coin, which is okay, but a willing freebie is a different experience.
So for a 50+ guy like me, this was a great experience and I think a good market.

I am not sure what they are really after - is it raw sex?
The prospect of meeting someone to rescue them from growing old in Russia?
I am inclined to think they simply want to recapture the experience of their youth
- some romance and the feeling of being desired sexually.

I notice in your story how the woman's cock-blocking buddy goes away -
she knows that her friend wants the story to have a happy ending!

[QUOTE=Vigilantemoscow]Dear all

I believe this subject has been touched upon in the past but I thought due to recent experiences the "debate" could be opened again.

Sure, we talk long and hard about the high density of pretty, young, intelligent, flirticious girls available in Moscow but perhaps the true gems, the most profitable market segment of the population is those (many divorced, other simply missed the boat and never married) mature Russian women in their mid-late thirties till mid 40s.

By no means I am suggesting I don't like 22 years old bimbos or that I will stop chasing them but what is true is that I am becoming increasingly tired of the energy, money and time it takes to achieve the only purpose of fornication. Unavoidably, these smart young girls since they increasingly holiday/work in Europe, use dating sites etc understand nowadays the value of their bodies in the global fuck market and they want you to work on it. And there is competition (there is a good bunch of Russian guys with quite a bit of cash who play at home and have something to say as well). On the other hand, miriads of Russian milfs see the propect of having sex with a foreigner the most exciting thing ever happen to them in the last decade and an unforgettable experience. Much less competition.

Chronology of events of a recent perfect first date evening with an internet mum to give an example:

7:00pm: Meeting at a central Moscow square, where she attended with extreme puntuality (take note younger girls) although bringing also along a female friend colleague due to a misuderstanding with one of my previous online jokes. No problem, friend pulls away and leaves us alone. She: late 30s (allegedlly) with older face looking than in the pictures but with what it seems after a quick glance to be a decent sporty body similar to what I expected from the pictures. After a brief walk I proposed to have tea at my place since it is just around the corner. She accepts!

7:30pm: Up in the flat, tea for two and chit chat continues. This time I bring the subject of fantasies and virtual sex. Surprise surprise, she claims to prefer real sex. Tea is finished so I proposed this time to give her a back massage. She accepts!

7:45pm: Upper clothes off, then trousers off, arse is actually not bad at all, well I think I should go for it! After 10 mins of massage my friend turns to be a multi-orgasmic, fist-fucking addict who caressed, kissed, massaged, wanked, worshipped, licked my mini-me and eventually sucked (in two long rounds) every single sperm drop in my body with remarkable passion and skill. Wooohuuu!

9:15pm: Post coital shower and tea (not a drop of alcohol involved, which also greatly pleases my liver)

9:30pm: I show the way out the building, no need to even accompany her to the tube station she knows her way (great, I don't feel like dressing up!). Poka.

Project summary: Completed in exactly 2h and 30 mins. Financial damage 0 Rubles. 0 damage to health. And a the rest of the evening free for other matters.

I acknowledge I had to put several hours of online effort the previous week to find my victim but don't you think these older ladies offer a way of expediting sexual needs in an uncomplicated way which is largely underrated?. Aren't the laws of fuck market largely distorted against them.

Someone might say this can be beaten by a free fuck in NF but I simply believe there are not the same probabilities of both events to ocurr[/QUOTE]I noticed this phenomenom during my one month in Moscow. It was very evident during my evening Metro rides. One of my reports bashed NF as a waste of time and money. Why pay a prostitute Western rates when you can get sexual and mental fun for free. I spend a few hours a day studying my basic Russian so I can tap this market when I return.

Excellent observation VigilanteMoscow. Moscow is so much more than some quickie.

Seeing as this is my 500th post to this forum, I thought it'd be fitting if it were also my last. I've been through a lot emotionally since I first set foot in Russia nearly a decade ago and especially in these past 3 years as an active ISG contributor. Many of the times have been great, others mediocre, some sad, funny, ridiculous, absurd or just... plain... Russian. But the time in my life has come to hang up my Pizdyets hat and look for another that better fits my present situation and frame-of-mind.

I hope that you guys enjoyed reading my wh0re-r tales as much as I enjoyed writing them. And that you benefited at least a bit from my advice. I've met some really extraordinary people via ISG: Doc, Jake, RM, Ppt, Irish Lad, Strav, Blacklisted, Guy du Monde, BubblyBoy, Bez, Shelbysbaker, and so many others. And it would not be an exaggeration to say that my life has been significantly enriched because of you.

All that said, I'm not going anywhere. I'll likely be here in Moscow for the next 10 years or more, so gimme a call or send an sms if you're planning on coming into town. I'd love to catch up over a beer and/or mojitos and/or kalyan.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Seeing as this is my 500th post to this forum, I thought it'd be fitting if it were also my last. I've been through a lot emotionally since I first set foot in Russia nearly a decade ago and especially in these past 3 years as an active ISG contributor. Many of the times have been great, others mediocre, some sad, funny, ridiculous, absurd or just. Plain. Russian. But the time in my life has come to hang up my Pizdyets hat and look for another that better fits my present situation and frame-of-mind.

I hope that you guys enjoyed reading my wh0re-r tales as much as I enjoyed writing them. And that you benefited at least a bit from my advice. I've met some really extraordinary people via ISG: Doc, Jake, RM, Ppt, Irish Lad, Strav, Blacklisted, Guy du Monde, BubblyBoy, Bez, Shelbysbaker, and so many others. And it would not be an exaggeration to say that my life has been significantly enriched because of you.

All that said, I'm not going anywhere. I'll likely be here in Moscow for the next 10 years or more, so give me a call or send an sms if you're planning on coming into town. I'd love to catch up over a beer and/or mojitos and/or kalyan.[/QUOTE]Sir, it is outstanding citizens such as yourself that have motivated a guy like me from MidWest America to get my ass out of my home town cock infested nightclubs to seek out these under utilized fillies in far away places.

Best of Luck

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Seeing as this is my 500th post to this forum, I thought it'd be fitting if it were also my last. I've been through a lot emotionally since I first set foot in Russia nearly a decade ago and especially in these past 3 years as an active ISG contributor. Many of the times have been great, others mediocre, some sad, funny, ridiculous, absurd or just... plain... Russian. [/QUOTE]
Happy trails amigo.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Seeing as this is my 500th post to this forum, I thought it'd be fitting if it were also my last.[/QUOTE]Pizdyets,

Боже Мой! Who will correct me on my Russian??? :)

Seriously, we will miss you. As the knowledgeable man-on-the-ground in Moscow, you have kept us all honest.

всего вам доброго

Pizdyets,

Thanks for your input, it certainly helped me in my early days in Moscow (and still does).

Жизнь коротка́, а дел мно́го!

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Seeing as this is my 500th post to this forum, I thought it'd be fitting if it were also my last. But the time in my life has come to hang up my Pizdyets hat and look for another that better fits my present situation and frame-of-mind.

I hope that you guys enjoyed reading my wh0re-r tales as much as I enjoyed writing them.

All that said, I'm not going anywhere. I'll likely be here in Moscow for the next 10 years or more, so gimme a call or send an sms if you're planning on coming into town. I'd love to catch up over a beer and/or mojitos and/or kalyan.[/QUOTE]
Pizdyets,

We've never met but this member has certainly enjoyed reading your regular and knowledgable reports.

Farewell and respect.

VG.

But maybe you'll continue reading if not writing?

Did not really find any information of interest about the Swiss Hotel Krasnye Holme. Is there any activity within its bars ? Any chance to find working girls inside the hotel or close t the hotel knowing that as I am with colleague I need to be discreet.

Thanks a lot in advance for your info

What happened to the senior members here ?

First....Ca_T, then Doctor Skank, now Pizdyets ?!?

The best contributors in one of the most fascinating city, after some time they feel the need to disappear... why ???

I think it happened only in this thread....

Soon are going to lose Bez too ? :D

I know your emotional states and all of them take us to the same place: we need a quiet (and free) relationship, one only woman to live for, one only ass to fuck without negotiate ;)

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Seeing as this is my 500th post to this forum, I thought it'd be fitting if it were also my last. I've been through a lot emotionally since I first set foot in Russia nearly a decade ago and especially in these past 3 years as an active ISG contributor. Many of the times have been great, others mediocre, some sad, funny, ridiculous, absurd or just... plain... Russian. But the time in my life has come to hang up my Pizdyets hat and look for another that better fits my present situation and frame-of-mind.

I hope that you guys enjoyed reading my wh0re-r tales as much as I enjoyed writing them. And that you benefited at least a bit from my advice. I've met some really extraordinary people via ISG: Doc, Jake, RM, Ppt, Irish Lad, Strav, Blacklisted, Guy du Monde, BubblyBoy, Bez, Shelbysbaker, and so many others. And it would not be an exaggeration to say that my life has been significantly enriched because of you.

All that said, I'm not going anywhere. I'll likely be here in Moscow for the next 10 years or more, so gimme a call or send an sms if you're planning on coming into town. I'd love to catch up over a beer and/or mojitos and/or kalyan.[/QUOTE]

Been a few times at the cool bar on top of the hotel tower, there were some suspicious lonely hotties but I never made the move. In any case be prepared to fork quite a bit of money to start the conversation because the place is not cheap. Same for Kalina bar.

[QUOTE=Jim Daili]Did not really find any information of interest about the Swiss Hotel Krasnye Holme. Is there any activity within its bars ? Any chance to find working girls inside the hotel or close t the hotel knowing that as I am with colleague I need to be discreet.

Thanks a lot in advance for your info[/QUOTE]

Good luck Pizdyets, I also admired your stories as much as my Henry Miller's youth readings!

I myself, after chasing pussy since 98 in a Russian province then in other places in the world and now back again in Russia, I am starting to feel conquered by a mixture of boredom and lack of purpose/motivation. It must be Autunn or.much that I might hate to say this since I have not hit 40 yet- I might be getting old and tired

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Seeing as this is my 500th post to this forum, I thought it'd be fitting if it were also my last. I've been through a lot emotionally since I first set foot in Russia nearly a decade ago and especially in these past 3 years as an active ISG contributor. Many of the times have been great, others mediocre, some sad, funny, ridiculous, absurd or just. Plain. Russian. But the time in my life has come to hang up my Pizdyets hat and look for another that better fits my present situation and frame-of-mind.

I hope that you guys enjoyed reading my wh0re-r tales as much as I enjoyed writing them. And that you benefited at least a bit from my advice. I've met some really extraordinary people via ISG: Doc, Jake, RM, Ppt, Irish Lad, Strav, Blacklisted, Guy du Monde, BubblyBoy, Bez, Shelbysbaker, and so many others. And it would not be an exaggeration to say that my life has been significantly enriched because of you.

All that said, I'm not going anywhere. I'll likely be here in Moscow for the next 10 years or more, so give me a call or send an sms if you're planning on coming into town. I'd love to catch up over a beer and/or mojitos and/or kalyan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jim Daili]Did not really find any information of interest about the Swiss Hotel Krasnye Holme. Is there any activity within its bars ? Any chance to find working girls inside the hotel or close t the hotel knowing that as I am with colleague I need to be discreet.

Thanks a lot in advance for your info[/QUOTE]Jim, Try an escort service. There are a few advertised on this site. Some members have had good service and some have had not such good service. Send me a PM and I'll give you some more details. Good luck.

Hi mongers!

This summer I had great fun mongering in Moscow.

First the devouchki in the streets, in the restaurants, cafés and clubs, are really beautiful, they do play the game and we watch them (I also like Peter and Cap d'Agde). Specially this summer (except the days with the smoke) when they had to dress with very light and short dresses, showing much of their body.

My experiences:

? Tochkas: very fun to spend a couple of hours going to the different tochkas with a good taxi driver. Problem is when it is dark you don't see so well and you can't spend too much time choosing. When I had enough of sightseeing, I did tip the mamasan and she gave me some indications on the girls. I had good sessions with them. Not cheap, damage 12000 p TLN + taxi, and as it was already late when arriving in my apartment, they stayed only 2 or 3 hours.

? Clubs: NF and HD, nice to spend time chatting with the girls. I did take my time to choose; sometimes I did not even picked up a girl, just offered 2 or 3 drinks. Sessions with Club's girls were good, they are very professional, but not in the bad way of it, they were ready to please me and they did like very much to take sexy attitude in front of me. Damage 12000 at NF, 10000 at HD. At HD, I find a girls who is willing to take me to a swing club. Does anybody know if it is worth it? I think I will go next time.

? Strip Clubs: AURORA. Great place. All those naked girls walking in front of you! Every hour or so, all the 50+ girls come on scene, you can seen them at once, they are all completely naked and attractive (some a little less, but average is really good), and then they all invite the customers for a short dance. I took in my arms a beautiful girl, I touched her body, her beautiful and firm buttocks for a (short) while and when she left I gave her (only) 200 p. Where else in the word can you see such a paradise? I saw in other places in Moscow several smaller strip clubs or gentlemen club, are they worth a visit?

? And my gold mine is MAMBA. I am an old man, and I am not so much interested in a stunning 19 years old blondika. All of them are only thinking of their beauty and I never had a good session with them. I am interested in 25 to 45 MILFs. And I found them (12 in 6 weeks). I did spend little time selecting the girls on mamba and I found next door women, not the top beauty, but still really good looking. Almost all of them had a normal job (one is a doctor, another one a sociologist and showed me her own internet site).organize the meeting was not always easy, as they had their job, their family (one told me "not tomorrow, I will be with my husband"), their kids, their datcha on week-ends. One of them came with her own car and her skills are not in finding my street and my dom. But all of them had sex with me like a girl friend who is only interested in pleasure, mine and her, and not like a GDP (at least they made me believe it). When they left, all of them gave me a FK, and told me they want to come back and not for the money (again, true or not, it is nice to believe it). And all that for 3000 to 6000 p. One even ask me if 5000 p was not too much (2 hours full service with passionate kisses!). And on top of that, they understand that I am only interested in seeing them once in a while. Where else can you find that?

FSU is really great.compared to other areas, I don't like so much east Asia as for me theses asian girls are not very attractive and what I could do with them was limited. I like south America, there are attractive girls, but not as much and as many as in the FSU (I was really disappointed not to see stunning beauties in Brazil, they might keep them for themselves), the GDP are more immature and I was not able to find those semi-pros. The non GDP that I found send me an email every other day until now, telling me she loves me and she dreams of me every night! I had very good times with her, I did only pay a few meals and taxis, but next time, I will call her only towards the end of my stay.

I wonder if it would it be interesting for me to go other places in the FSU? I am interested in Prosal experience and mostly in what kind of women he will meet.

Now I have been studying Russian for 3 years, I don't speak so well but I achieved what I wanted: to be able to have a good time with a girl that speaks only Russian. Now I would like to go further and meet more people and I am looking for anything (part time job, help business men,. Even charity), that would need me to come to Moscow 3/4 weeks 3/4 times a year, make me meet local people and keep me busy part time so that I can proceed mongering. I don't need to be paid, I can even pay for it. If it is decent, it would be great, it would be a good reason to tell to my relatives and my girlfriends home. Does anybody has an idea on what I could do?

Товарищи,
Can someone help me remember?
I swear I am losing my mind. Clearly, Jake's getting old.

A few months ago there was some discussion about a club that was identified as a good place to pick up girls. It's dance club and is supposed to be quite large.Not a strip club or a h@@ker bar like HD or BF but a DANCE club. What I do remember is that it's located near one of the metro stops south of the center. It seems that Tulskaya or Serpukhovskaya come to mind. I recall that it wasn't necessarily frequented by foreigners but that it was fairly open and foreigner friendly (if there is such a thing). But the two things that stand out in my memory was that it was BIG and is was located south of the center.

If this rings a bell with someone, please speak up and help me solve a mystery that's been driving me crazy. I'm planning to be in Moscow in October and am trying to get my ducks in a row.

I contacted Pizdyets directly about it and he can't seem to remember anything that fits the profile. Which is bad news because if he can't remember............ I could be imagining the whole thing!

Thanks in adavance guys.

Jake

Jake,

Seems to me I remember Passpartout mentioning a big dance club south of town where he had a lot of success picking up dyeffki. There was some discussion about it a while back. I don't remember the name right off hand, but you could look through Passpartout's (probably not the correct spelling) posts to find it.

That's all I can think of (and I take my Geritol regularly :) )

удачи вам

Jack,

The club you mentioned is the Up and Down, located near the metro proletarskaya.
Please note that i haven't been there on the last 6 months, so i can't guarantee that it is still good....things move quickly in Moscow.

I've been today to Loutch restaurant....amazing big bar, classy, ine of the best decoration i have seen in Moskva, full of beautiful diev. Food is not too bad, but clearly not a place to eat, but more to be with your mate, drinking some cocktails at the bar, and trying to make contacts with all dievs who are waiting for that.
Adresse is pirogovskaya ulitsa 25, outside the savodoe calstio, in the south, bit worth the trip.

Can someone advise me in wich bar or specific place Izmailovo hotel complex I can found girls for maximum 2000-2500 rubl?

Thanks

Of course i do not have an extensive knowledge of all countries, but i would rather say Spain.
Prague is not too expensive as well.

[QUOTE=Poturu]In your opinion what country or place is cheapest for sex in Europe?[/QUOTE]Define cheap.

By the time you take into account the total cost of sex in Europe, I think there is no cheap sex in Europe anymore. Even in tiny Moldova, the poorest country in Europe, sex is not cheap, after you add up all the costs involved.

If all you are looking for is cheap sex, then your best bet is Asia or Latin America, not Europe.

Friday evening, the gf is on her way to her province to visit parents so I am on my own to perpetrate "crimes" this week end!. I got a flu and not feeling too well so I am browsing mamba trying to select my "pizza delivery" girl for the night but then I decide what the heck let's go out and try to grab a freebie. I tend to avoid foreign cock infested bars but I have never been to Real McCoy so I decided to tick the box and have a look for myself. I am walking down by the end of Tverskoy Bullvard and just in front on me a taxi stops and a lady comes out of it stumbling. She takes her heels off and starts walking with drunken baby steps. I quickly assess the situation, look around and decide to approach her and offer assistance in the form of a stable arm to guide her walking. She is blonde, shortly, heavy Russian makeup, well dressed but on the chubby side although she is revealing a phenomenal couple of white water melons. She is coming from her Institute party, her heels are killing her but home is not too far just around the corner and ooooh I am a foreigner she was twice on holiday abroad and she loves foreigners. Here I am in front of her flat door, am I really having a lucky day?. I shall wait outside, she has a friend inside (later I learnt it was her mother). So I wait a couple of minutes and when I thought I shall make a move to revert to my original Real McCoy plan she comes out of the flat with a smile in her face: "paidiom kushat! " (let's go eating!). Fuuuuck me. The closest restaurant she is pointing at is quite posh so there is no way in the world I will fork a meal (I would rather get a mamba girl, right?), I convince her instead to have a walk first (in my apartment's direction to guide her to my bedroom like a sheep to slaughter). To cut a long story short, chubby big titty doll gave me a hell of a walk since she was stumbling so badly that I was fearing she was going to break an ankle so the one mile walk became a nightmare of stops and restarts, heels on and off and to make things worst (by that time I already realised she was mentally fucked up) she kept repeating me the same stupid questions and alternated laughter, kissing and crying in equal an unpredictable measures. After a good 40 minutes of punishment and public embarrassment, finally we made to my flat. Halleluiah!. But that time and with the outdoor exposure flu was kicking in but I was very horny and I thought all in all her tits were worth the effort. How wrong was I. To start with she could barely move and was laying in the sofa, I was really fearing she damaged her ankle's ligaments and I would have to endure a "hospital scene" but I gave her pain killers and the pain someone stabilised. Then I proceed to tear down the mental challenge and defences: of course I will call her again, no I will not leave Moscow tomorrow, we could go out together etc. Cigarette, shower and finally there she is in the bed, ready for action. Melons playing, good oral and then when I am about to wear the "raincoat" surprise surprise, she does not like condoms!. Well baby, not in my book, I don't know you, you don't know me. "so why don't you do it, do you think I have "spid" (AIDS in Russian)". No of course not, you are nice decent girl it is just that. I don't want to have kids. Long Silence. She cries and cries and cries. "I can not have children, I can not have children!. I tried and tried for 10 years, doctors said I can not have children!. Fuck me, do I have a magneto in my face for the weird types?. Operation "mental healing" starts: cuddles, kisses, good wishes words etc. Let's have sex with condom ok?. After a few minutes of pumping she is warmed up and close to climax but then jumps out and takes the condom off to give me oral again. "Ia ne zhochu", Ia ne zhochu" and then attempts to jump on my dick to fuck without it!. No way! I said no, another day we do without condom ok but not today alright? OK. Back to square one, hand on drawer, let me get another condom, uhhhhmmm, nothing here, nothing there. Shit I don't have any condoms left!. More attempts to insert her bare pussy into my dick, more refusals, more arguments, more crying and laughter. In the middle of this mess, a strange feeling of satisfaction invades my thoughts. How lucky am I for not being a 28 years old Russian chubby girl. How lucky for not having to beg for sperm, how lucky for having more things in life than fulfilling motherhood. Yes, life sucks for her and I pity her. The session continued with more "petting" and oral but we left it since she insisted "that is not real sex" and got pissed off. Oh well, then the usual "operation return" starts. She still wants to eat but not in a million years I would take the drunken, small chubby big tittied sperm hunter doll with me after the nightmare I went through. I am feeling I'll, really really I'll, it is better if you go home and we meet again tomorrow alright?. I lent her my mobile so she calls home (forgot mobile and keys) and pushed her to a cab (150 rbls), more kisses, spokoini nochi. Little mistake to lend her my mobile since 15 mins later she kept calling me non stop so I switched the phone off and now will have to block her phone number.

A cheap night of sex for 150 Rubles or a lost Mamba opportunity for 8000?

VM,

Is it the Chinese who say, "If you save someone's life, then you are responsible for that life." ??? Sounds like you just had a practical lesson in that philosophy.

Great story, and typically Russian. I think I would stick with the Mamba girl for 8,000: better to pay more for something you will enjoy. Plus you won't have to worry about a drunken sperm hunter calling you at all hours. I think it is encouraging, however, that a Russian woman still longs for insemination the old fashioned way.

BTW - most modern keyboards have a RETURN key, sometimes also labeled as ENTER. If you press this key, it will create something called a paragraph. You might try it on your next post. Everyone will enjoy your writing more.

nice report VM? we all recognize the great Moscow here, I mean everything is possible on this city, i like this more than everything else. Each nez night is a potential crazy night.

VM,

I think you lived something you can tell to all your friends and make them die for envy !

Nevermind you did not fuck here, as Passepartout wrote right, such things can happen only in Moscow !

From nothing... you can end, with just a bit of lucky, to have an unforgettable night....in Moscow !

That's why I love Moscow, cause there is a huge potencial to score girls just going out to have fun !

Actually I am addicted to German FKK, great and cheap sex, but I miss so much night as you had....


[QUOTE=Stravinsky]...BTW - most modern keyboards have a RETURN key, sometimes also labeled as ENTER. If you press this key, it will create something called a paragraph. You might try it on your next post. Everyone will enjoy your writing more.[/QUOTE]

LOOOL :D

Stravinsky

I allowed myself the literary freedom of avoiding proper punctuation so I could evoke feelings of distress and anxiety for the outcome in the reader as I went through the events in that night. I fully accept the experiment is not welcome and take note for the next one then!

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]VM,

Is it the Chinese who say, "If you save someone's life, then you are responsible for that life. "? Sounds like you just had a practical lesson in that philosophy.

Great story, and typically Russian. I think I would stick with the Mamba girl for 8, 000: better to pay more for something you will enjoy. Plus you won't have to worry about a drunken sperm hunter calling you at all hours. I think it is encouraging, however, that a Russian woman still longs for insemination the old fashioned way.

BTW. Most modern keyboards have a RETURN key, sometimes also labeled as ENTER. If you press this key, it will create something called a paragraph. You might try it on your next post. Everyone will enjoy your writing more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Passepartout]nice report VM? we all recognize the great Moscow here, I mean everything is possible on this city, i like this more than everything else. Each nez night is a potential crazy night.[/QUOTE] VM, Ditto on all that has been said so far. The truth is stranger than fiction.
Some jobs just require a professional. The amateur will cost you less, but the results may vary.
Udachi

I like your report VM. Would like to mention that in the freebie market the issue of devushkas not wanting to use condoms commonly arises. I have had my manhood challenged, accused of implying they are diseased, girls breaking down in tears so I would fuck them without a jacket.

First of all, I would like to say Hello, to all those members who have been contributing here for a long time. I started using ISG couple of weeks ago and decided to register today so that I could contribute my wealth of knowledge, especially after some veterans like Pyzdets have decided to call it quits.

I'm a native moscovite with an english education (4 years college and 3 university). I think I can provide some interesting information as I party nearly every weekend (thanks to my health which at 27 is still ok. And I have a vast network of friends which helps survive in this evil city))

Anyways, for my first post I would like to give my point of view on a few points that have been discussed here previously. I will try to write as much as possible:

1) Tochkas. Never really liked that whole driving in a taxi experience. Me and my friends used to get girls from tochkas a lot when we were 19 as we didn't have access to strip-clubs (girls in moscow prefer older gentlemen to younger guys as they think they all are dead-end perverts.))

Anyways, one of the reasons I don't like tochkas is because the girls that work there are mostly alcoholics or drug abusers. Plus the prices for a decent girl tend to be quite high 12000-15000 for a 7. If you get an 8+ for that money count yourself lucky.

I had a lot of bad experience taking girls from tochkas because the girls like to tell you depressing stories and in general most girls from tochkas are depressing and not fun to spend time with. Plus there's always a possibility that cops can stop you and demand a bribe for the girl because in 99% cases they don't have any ID on them

2) Clubs. Having lived for a long time in Berlin and London I have noticed that Moscow is all about the money. In a bad way. Sure. Money makes the world go round but say in Minsk (Belarussia) the girls in clubs are more interested in who you are and what you represent rather than what you have in your pocket, what watch you're wearing etc. I think that girls in Moscow clubs have got that old soviet mentality, that from all the cities in Russia, Moscow is the only place to go if you want to make a decent living. Hence 90% girls in Moscow clubs are gold diggers.

However, let's focus on the positives. Clubs are a good way to find a partner for the night. Usually these girls won't ask you for money if they decide to spend the night with you, but you will have to 'invest' in order to get her to come with you. By investing I mean buying her drinks. Which are not cheap at all, maybe a meal or in some cases cocaine.

If we're talking about places. Then I would recommend Krysha club. It's an afterparty club with hardcore FC but the best about this place is that all the strippers and hookers that didn't find any work go there at around 5 AM and the quality of these girls is very very high. But then again, there are some girls that will go with you for free, some for drinks, some for drugs and some not at all.

One valuable lesson that I've learned is that a lot of people are making the same mistake by trying to have sex on the first night. It is better to meet a girl in a club, chat with her, get her some drinks, then get her number and call her the next day. The chances of sex increase dramatically.

Other clubs for pick-ups include RAI (don't like it as it's full of young idiots with money who think they're really badass) and ofcourse SOHO. I hate SOHO a lot, because this place shows what Moscow is all about. All that fakeness comes out in this place. Expats like SOHO because there are a lot of beautiful girls but 99% of them are sukas, gold diggers and putanas that charge crazy prices. I would never recommend this place to a local or a friend of mine who is visiting Moscow.

3) Strip-clubs

In my point of view best place for picking someone up for sex or just a good time out.

There are a lot of strip-joints in Moscow but only few of them are up to standard.

My favorite is Dejavu (located close to old Metelitsa casino behind Ypiter photo shop on Noviy Arbat). A lot of members of IGS who work and live in Moscow might know this place as it used to be called Spearmint Rhino.

This place is not a brothel, but if the girl like you it's possible to take her home or partying with you. Most of the girls are 7s there, but there are couple of 8s and one 9. Plus what I like about this place is that every 15-25 min they do promotions when for 1000 rubles you get 3 dances instead of one.

I took a lot of different girls from that place, some of them wanted money (nothing much, like 5000), some just wanted to spend a good time with, and some offered to have sex there. Saying this I have to warn you, that sex on premises is only allowed if you know the manager. Who actually is a very cool guy.

Dejavu is very nicely designed, and was the only place in August where there was no smoke from the fires and its always cool there in terms of temperature.

If you have some extra money to spend and you're looking for a 9 than you have to go to Egoist Gold. I don't like this place because its very expensive (me and a friend had to pay 25000 to take a girl with us home; private dances cost there 3000 for 2 min of lazy dance), the girls there are rude and cocky, but they are so very beautiful that you forget about their disadvantages.

If you want to have straight sex, then you need to go to 911 which is situated close to Petrovka, where the Phantom casino was. There you can have sex on premises for 11000 rubles, but the girls there are mostly 7's with probably one 8.

Anyways, that's it for my first post, hope you have enjoyed it and it was helpful. Will try to post here regularly with valuable tips and advices.

nice to see with us some native russians, thanks for the valuable post. i totally agree on soho..it sucks (in the bad meaning I mean...)

[QUOTE=Tribeta]First of all, I would like to say Hello, to all those members who have been contributing here for a long time. I started using ISG couple of weeks ago and decided to register today so that I could contribute my wealth of knowledge, especially after some veterans like Pyzdets have decided to call it quits.[/QUOTE] Tribeta - Welcome to ISG. Glad to have another local to help with good information for those of us who drop in occasionally to Moscow. Excellent first post with good information. Keep it coming.
Udachi

Guys do any of you have or known a semi pro or a pro that is a gymnast (artistic or rhythmic) or a former gymnast? I have the desire to drill a gymnast girl so bad and if any of you have such girl in your contacts it would be much appreciated if you can share the contact information.

Thank you very much

[QUOTE=Tribeta]First of all, I would like to say Hello, to all those members who have been contributing here for a long time. I started using ISG couple of weeks ago and decided to register today so that I could contribute my wealth of knowledge, especially after some veterans like Pyzdets have decided to call it quits.

I'm a native moscovite with an english education (4 years college and 3 university). I think I can provide some interesting information as I party nearly every weekend (thanks to my health which at 27 is still ok. And I have a vast network of friends which helps survive in this evil city))
.[/QUOTE]


Very informative and realistic post, thank you. I think the prices you are talking are in Russian Rubles right? They are quite high indeed that is why I think a wise foreigner will try to learn as much Russian as he can and perhaps heads preferentially to the Russian provinces.

[QUOTE=Strike 69]Very informative and realistic post, thank you. I think the prices you are talking are in Russian Rubles right? They are quite high indeed that is why I think a wise foreigner will try to learn as much Russian as he can and perhaps heads preferentially to the Russian provinces.[/QUOTE]Not sure about the provinces (embarrasing to say but I've never been anywhere in Russia apart from St. Petes) but the prices are in roubles (what else))

Funny thing, just returned from a Thursday night, which we in Russia call Thursday. Is a small Friday)))

We started at my friends house, spent some time there (this guy is a crazy whiskey fan) and after moved to Dejavu which I mentioned in my previous post. Thursdays are pretty dull there, but we still managed to get quite drunk. We payed for 6 whiskeys (Jameson), 2 long island (BTW my favourite drink) and one normal tea abut 5000 rubles (considering we had 25% discount) which I think is not cheap at all.

Anyways, after that we left for another strip-joint called Egoist which was also mentioned in my previous post. Nothing new, the girls there ARE SICK, they are so hot that its not even funny, but very very expensive. I guess this is what new Moscow is all about. Now you have to pay big for good quality. Left Egoist around 4 AM, went back to my friends place when an old friend from facebook (23 year old) called me and asked to visit her. I've never seen her in real life but was up for it, cause my girlfriend was giving me shit and I wanted some free action))) This was one of those times when you just need to call it quits on a night and go home. The girl was FAT and I was schocked when I saw her. However she was VERY willing. But then I thought. What the hell, I'm drunk and ready to go. Basically, crazy sex for 30 min, then calling a taxi and here I am writting this post.

Thanks for the encouraging replyes to my first post, lets hope I will contribute more and more)

[QUOTE=Tribeta]My favorite is Dejavu (located close to old Metelitsa casino behind Ypiter photo shop on Noviy Arbat). A lot of members of IGS who work and live in Moscow might know this place as it used to be called Spearmint Rhino.

This place is not a brothel, but if the girl like you it's possible to take her home or partying with you. Most of the girls are 7s there, but there are couple of 8s and one 9. Plus what I like about this place is that every 15-25 min they do promotions when for 1000 rubles you get 3 dances instead of one.

I took a lot of different girls from that place, some of them wanted money (nothing much, like 5000), some just wanted to spend a good time with, and some offered to have sex there. Saying this I have to warn you, that sex on premises is only allowed if you know the manager. Who actually is a very cool guy.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot from very valuable information from an "insider". If you take a girl out from Dejavu, what do you pay to the club?

[QUOTE=Strike 69]Guys do any of you have or known a semi pro or a pro that is a gymnast (artistic or rhythmic) or a former gymnast? I have the desire to drill a gymnast girl so bad and if any of you have such girl in your contacts it would be much appreciated if you can share the contact information.

Thank you very much[/QUOTE]Hi,

I remember one girl at Aurora 911 (strip club) who obviously is/was a gymnast. Her show arround the pole was really stricking. She was not the most beautiful girl in the club baut her body was nice and her dancing skills compensate. I haven't asked her but normally girls of this club normally go for sex in the permises (not cheap).

Let us know!

[QUOTE=Tribeta]First of all, I would like to say Hello, to all those members who have been contributing here for a long time. I started using ISG couple of weeks ago and decided to register today so that I could contribute my wealth of knowledge, especially after some veterans like Pyzdets have decided to call it quits. [/QUOTE]Very good and informative report Tribeta. Thank you. I come to Moscow on a regular basis since 10 years or so and I agree with you on the fact that the city has changed a lot. I remember the time when I was staying at the Mezunarodnaya hotel and I could enjoy the choice of 15 sweet and happy chicks willing to go up for 3000 rur. Suddenly they move to Crowne Plazza, doubled the room rates, closed the night bar and downsized the "personnel". Nowadays you can hardly find one miserable granny rambling in the lobby who will ask you 5000rur minimum. This sounds like a veteran story but it was only 4 years back.

I heard a lot about Dejavu and based on your advise I will do some scouting there next week. I also agree with you about Aurora 911. It is a really nice place. I have been these in May and I really had fun. So much fun that I went there two nights in a row. I found the girls very nice, wiling to chat (in english), not really on money. Having said that sex at the permises is quite expensive because you have to pay for the girl and the room, which increase the cost drastically especially when you already have a room next door at the Budapest Hotel.

I agree with Strike69 about easier girls in the Russian provinces, but then there is the language barrier when foreigners do not handle Russian.

By the way, I need to book my hotel. Do you know a nice Hotel were I can find chicks at a reasonable price (the hotel and the chicks)?. I was desapointed last time by the Budapest: I read a lot of good things about it but once I was there, I found hout that the hotel was dead. The bar was promissing at 6pm but zero at night.

And why don't you choice a flat instead a hotel?

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]And why don't you choice a flat instead a hotel?[/QUOTE]Well, probably because I like my comfort. I think there is nothing better than having a nice bar close to my room.

No waste of time.

[QUOTE=Sam Suffit]Well, probably because I like my comfort. I think there is nothing better than having a nice bar close to my room.

No waste of time.[/QUOTE]SS - Believe it or not, the Hotel Korston offers an interesting combination. Not too many hotels that have a strip club inside the hotel. Rates are less that $200 per night and location is not too bad.

[QUOTE=Jake993]SS - Believe it or not, the Hotel Korston offers an interesting combination. Not too many hotels that have a strip club inside the hotel. Rates are less that $200 per night and location is not too bad.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the lead Jake. I just checked but unfortunately it is fully booked for this week. I'll try again for my next visit.

[QUOTE=Tribeta]

Anyways, one of the reasons I don't like tochkas is because the girls that work there are mostly alcoholics or drug abusers. Plus the prices for a decent girl tend to be quite high 12000-15000 for a 7. If you get an 8+ for that money count yourself lucky..[/QUOTE]

Back in the day (2003-2005) Tochkas were a blast - it was blatant sexual slavery, sure, but the girls were relatively hot fresh ones from the wheat fields of places like Chuvashia and Kostroma Oblast. They'd get lured into Moscow and threatened with public censure if they ran back to their parents. You could get a decent one for $100 when that was around 3000 rubles the last time around. However greed prevailed and now people rely on intimcity and sextalk and stick to internet hobags and the popular brothels like Charmel and Fantasys. You can find girls that will take care of you for the night for 8000 on intimcity so 15000 for the night for a tochka hobag is a straight-out waste of money.

[QUOTE=Sam Suffit]Hi,

I remember one girl at Aurora 911 (strip club) who obviously is/was a gymnast. Her show arround the pole was really stricking. She was not the most beautiful girl in the club baut her body was nice and her dancing skills compensate. I haven't asked her but normally girls of this club normally go for sex in the permises (not cheap).

Let us know![/QUOTE]

Thank you, will try to check her out. If any other knows another gymnast- contortionist girl that works as a pro or semi pro, please let me know.

[QUOTE=Tribeta]First of all, I would like to say Hello, to all those members who have been contributing here for a long time. I started using ISG couple of weeks ago and decided to register today so that I could contribute my wealth of knowledge, especially after some veterans like Pyzdets have decided to call it quits.

[/QUOTE]

Hey, Thanks for the valuable tip on Moscow scene. Great to get advice from a Muscovite. Just few questions...How safe is for a lone Indian traveler to visit these clubs..what are my chances of picking up girls from clubs :)

Are apartment girls that are on intimcity ru real deal...How safe is it visit these apartments. Thanks

I found out, that this site has very knowledgeable people, so would appreciate your help.

I will be travelling to Moscow for one week time and will be staying in business oriented hotel: How easy is it to get girls discreetly and directly to hotel rooms? Do hotel staff typically allow girls to enter the rooms?

I have not found good web sites to find girls. What sites/agencies/independents would be best to look for? I like to make bookings through email. Is the information on girls typically marketing oriented or realistic?

[QUOTE=Sport Man]I found out, that this site has very knowledgeable people, so would appreciate your help.

I will be travelling to Moscow for one week time and will be staying in business oriented hotel: How easy is it to get girls discreetly and directly to hotel rooms? Do hotel staff typically allow girls to enter the rooms?

I have not found good web sites to find girls. What sites/agencies/independents would be best to look for? I like to make bookings through email. Is the information on girls typically marketing oriented or realistic?[/QUOTE]
The easiest and most discrete thing to do is to use one of the lobby girls who will likely be populating the hotel after 11:00 pm. The quality and cost will depend on which hotel you are in. However, these girls will not usually be the best, but you may get lucky. Also, they are not likely to rip you off or cause problems, they have to work there. If you are worried about business associates seeing you, you can signal a girl to join you at the elevators, or talk to a doorman/security to send a particular girl up to your room.

Using outsiders (outcalls or girls you meet in a bar and bring back) might mean bribing the security guard as you bring her in and/or registering her at the desk. It might also mean an additional room charge for a second person, which might be an issue depending on who vets your expenses.

With escort web-sites there are two major issues - are the profiles mostly legitimate, and can you do business in English? Calling girls from web-sites or ads you will find that many do not respond or hang up on English speakers - it's not worth their while for the communications hassles.

I don't have direct experience with Russian escort sites, but have the impression that [url]www.rusdosug.ru[/url] is a good bet. The site is in English, tells you the level of the girl's English and prices and location. Usually you can tell the salons or apartments with several girls. But there are lots of other sites and maybe someone else has better recommendations.

I am back from a 3 day trip to moscow. I stayed at Hotel Renaissance, which is a very nice business hotel at Olympic prospect. There are some working girls in the lobby, but usually not the beautiful girls. So I went to Night Flight on the first evening. Was kind of slow there. Perhaps 15 girls around. No real hotties. Decided to go to Egoiste (formerly apparently known as Hungry Duck). This is a table dance club. Central round stage of 2/3 m surrounded by some sofas. The entrance is 1000 Rubels. The girls will come to your table and will give you a brief lapdance, which would then make 500 rubels each time. Once they have the money they stop dancing and go to the next one. Can get quite expensive, if you do not find a way to send the girls away. Egoiste has real stunnres. I hooked up with a 22 year old blondish girl with super body (although the tits were fake). I invited her to some drinks. Not too expensive and took a table dance. Later I decided to take her to my hotel. I had to pay 1. 000 USD to the club. The girl came with me, and we did have georgious sex, GFE kissing everything but covered blowjob and sex. She did stay until the next morning (actually I took her home at 4. 30 and we had sex until 6. At 09. 00 we got up and she went home. Pretended she had to go to her mother.

Next day I tried Night flight again. This time a little earlier. I was there at 23. 00. Again no girl that would have interested me. I decided to take a taxi and go to another club. Taxi driver drove me to a strip club near Hotel Renessaince. Do not remember the name. Anyhow. Nice girls. You could invite to have a drink. I took a private dance, which turned out to be 3. 000 rubles for 3 songs private dance, kissing included. I did not take the girl home, since I was tired and wanted to safe some money.

Next day I went to Bordo straight away. This club has quite some nice action. Lots of girls, lots of men. The club is the only club which will allow to have sex there. 1000 Rubels entrance. Girls will take 200 Rubels for a teaser lapdance. To go to a room for 30 min straight sex will then cost 8. 000 rubels, plus 700 to rent the cabin where this can take place. It is an option but certainly no GFE. Girls there (around 30 girls) look nice. But not that quality you will find in Egoiste.

My best evening was the one at Egoiste. I did pay 1. 000 but the reward was to go home with a super hot chick that will give me GFE sex. More expensive are the different club visits with many times taxi, entrance, tipping, drink. Etc. That will not lead to the result you wish.

Some other night a taxi driver brought me to some other strip club I never heard of. I am sorry, I do not remember the name. Anyhow, quality of girls excellent. 30 girls around. Only 4 men. I am quite sure that the overall quality of girls in the manifold strip clubs in Moscow is very good and you can easily trust the taxi driver when he suggests a club off the beaten path. However, strip clubs can become expensive if you want to have sex.

[QUOTE=Toto001]The girls will come to your table and will give you a brief lapdance, which would then make 500 rubels each time.[/QUOTE]500 руб. for a lapdance??? Looks like you're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

[QUOTE]My best evening was the one at Egoiste. I did pay 1. 000[/QUOTE]Is that Rubles, Dollars or Euros?

A grand for gfe?

You most certainly have skewed Moscow pricing in the wrong direction.

An outstanding report on the desirability to book a lobby girl instead of more complicated arrangements.

I know a girl from CIS, who can speak more than descent English and very very good at bed. She can be a guide for non russian speaking men, who wants to have some serious fun. I think she will be as comfortable as fish in water with other girls in bed.

I had great fun with her and gosh, one of the best CIS girl I ever had.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]500 руб. for a lapdance?

Looks like you're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

Is that Rubles, Dollars or Euros?[/QUOTE]It was US Dollars, for the entire night.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow]A grand for gfe?

You most certainly have skewed Moscow pricing in the wrong direction.[/QUOTE]Well, I know the discussion to be short with money to keep the prices down. However, the girls in Moscow do know their going rate quite well and I am only talking about the really hot girls which are a 9 or 10. Might be that you do much better on girls that would actually need to pay to get sex.

In fact, the girls in the clubs in moscow tend to ignore westerner guests because they are known to be cheap. Russian men usually spend 10 times as much in nightclubs. So you see, there is also damage that can be done by being too cheap all the time. As somebody who will be traveling to Moscow only 1 time per year for 1-2 nights the most, it does not make sense to negotiate too much. It is much more important to find the right looking girl giving a correct service. Negotiating down every cent can be a wrong start for the night in this respect.

[QUOTE=Toto001]In fact, the girls in the clubs in moscow tend to ignore westerner guests because they are known to be cheap. Russian men usually spend 10 times as much in nightclubs.[/QUOTE]Really??? Interesting... I never knew that.

[QUOTE]it does not make sense to negotiate too much. It is much more important to find the right looking girl giving a correct service. Negotiating down every cent can be a wrong start for the night in this respect.[/QUOTE]And tomorrow night, she will tell all her friends at the club about the stupid Western tourist who paid her 1,000 USD for 1 1/2 hours of sex (from 4:30 to 6:00). Which is about 20 times what a Russian man would pay.

[QUOTE=Toto001]Well, I know the discussion to be short with money to keep the prices down. However, the girls in Moscow do know their going rate quite well and I am only talking about the really hot girls which are a 9 or 10. Might be that you do much better on girls that would actually need to pay to get sex.

In fact, the girls in the clubs in moscow tend to ignore westerner guests because they are known to be cheap. Russian men usually spend 10 times as much in nightclubs. So you see, there is also damage that can be done by being too cheap all the time. As somebody who will be traveling to Moscow only 1 time per year for 1-2 nights the most, it does not make sense to negotiate too much. It is much more important to find the right looking girl giving a correct service. Negotiating down every cent can be a wrong start for the night in this respect.[/QUOTE]I'm no expert on Moscow, but on my last visit, between Nightflight, stripclubs, and lobby girls, I was never initially quoted more than 500 US. The key was to chat the girls and make sure you both had chemistry towards each other before negotiating. These girls were not stupid. If they would have quoted a grand, they knew I would have been turned off and walked away. This is just like any other business where credibility is everything. Yes they were all smoking hot.

As to Russian men being big spenders, complete bullshit. Prostitute pussy is a dime a dozen for oligarchs. As a foreigner with no language skills, I already could see the vast potential that was available to me. I could only imagine what those bad boys have available to them.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]And tomorrow night, she will tell all her friends at the club about the stupid Western tourist who paid her 1,000 USD for 1 1/2 hours of sex (from 4:30 to 6:00). Which is about 20 times what a Russian man would pay.[/QUOTE] All good points guys. $1,000 is waaaaaaaay too much to spend for any amount of GFE - especially if you are a Moscow regular and have plenty of time to line things up in advance or to scope the clubs, get to know a few girls and cultivate some freebees.

However, before we get all rat ass on Toto, he has a few good points too. If you are in Moscow once a year and only have one or two nights AND you can afford it - Fuckin "A" Skippy - go for it. Time is still the most precious commodity of all. If you are short on time and long on money then paying grand for a night makes all the sense in the world.

Toto - come on man, work with us. I'm sure you have your reasons for plunking down $1,000 for one night of blissful GFE, but for Christ's sake keep it to yourself. Telling all of us on this forum is just going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] us off. We all know it happens, we all know it drives the price up, none of us like it so if you have to do it - JUST DON'T TELL US!!!!!!!!!

Glad you had a nice night.

I have no problem with guys telling us how they dropped thousands of Dollars/Euros on a CBJ from a "9" or "10". It's their money and it's their business. More power to them.

I do have a problem with someone who has only been in Moscow once or twice (by his own admission), pretending to be some kind of expert on mongering in Russia. Why? Why not just be honest? "Hey guys, I have no idea what I'm doing, but let me tell you what happened... I went to this club and picked up one of the most gorgeous babes I've ever met and she took me to the moon and back."

Now that's a story I'd like to hear! :)

It's also important for other guys reading this forum to understand that this is NOT normal pricing, or behavior, in Moscow.

Then, does anyone know correct standard price in Egoiste?

I hear that Egoiste is most expensive and hottest strip club now in Moscow.

I think that Toto reported correct information and his information is valuable.

If you think that price is too high, you have only to stay away from Egoiste.

I think everyone in this forum should give certain gratitude to someone who reported any new information.

Toto, thanks for your information.

[QUOTE=Jake993]I'm sure you have your reasons for plunking down $1,000 for one night of blissful GFE, but for Christ's sake keep it to yourself. ... We all know it happens, we all know it drives the price up, none of us like it[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Climax Now]A grand for gfe? You most certainly have skewed Moscow pricing in the wrong direction.[/quote] One guy overpaying a lady one night in Moscow drives up prices in exactly the same way as pouring a 500 ml water bottle into the Atlantic raises the level of the ocean: [u]in no measurable way[/u]. If you think otherwise, you don't understand market economics.

What [u]really[/u] raises the cost of ladies here is the same thing that raises the cost of a Big Mac, and at about the same rate of increase: cost of living, which is also market economics.

[QUOTE=Steve Naive]One guy overpaying a lady one night in Moscow drives up prices in exactly the same way as pouring a 500 ml water bottle into the Atlantic raises the level of the ocean: [u]in no measurable way[/u]. If you think otherwise, you don't understand market economics.

What [u]really[/u] raises the cost of ladies here is the same thing that raises the cost of a Big Mac, and at about the same rate of increase: cost of living, which is also market economics.[/QUOTE]Let us go back to economics 101. Demand refers to service desired by buyers. Supply represents how much market can offer. It is completely guaranteed that every dev in this club will be aware of there associate landing the thousand $ whale by next day. With that in the back of there mind, they will have no choice but to experiment with this wonderful new found pricing.

Its just my opinion that a direct change of future events could have occurred

Because of one transaction. Maybe I would be the poor dude quoted a grand the following day.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow]Maybe I would be the poor dude quoted a grand the following day.[/QUOTE]If she told ME $1000 was her price, I would eventually stop laughing, then I would ask someone else, as would the others that walked away from her that night. She would then decide how much she she could afford a night off. Or I would accept the message that if she was asking this much, she did not want me for a customer, and I would move on.

Economics is indeed about supply and demand. What do you suppose is the demand for girls asking $1000 in a city that has so many available for less?

I do not believe that in a market this large that what one guy pays has any impact on what other girls charge, or on what customers pay. Yes prices have gone up here in the past few years, but no it has nothing to do with this guy. There have always been some willing to pay more, anywhere you go, and the ladies have always known it. Ragging on the rare guy who pays this much is pointless

Ah, but this is an old, recurring argument on ISG (any board) that nobody can win, and I've had my say, so I'm done. Happy mongering!

The thing about the market in Moscow, or most anywhere else in eastern Europe, is that it is not homogeneous. There are significant barriers to entry: mainly culture and language. As Jake has pointed out, the guys who are only there once in a while, for a few days, speak no Russian and don't understand Russian culture operate at a significant disadvantage. They can only catch as catch can and if the girl in their lap happens to ask for 1,000 USD, they really aren't in any position to negotiate. That's understandable.

What bothers me is when guys like this start thinking that they are suddenly some kind of expert on Russian women because they picked up a lap dancer in Egoiste and start making banal pronouncements about Russian men and women and comparing Russian society to Western society.

That's all I wanted to say.

[QUOTE=Toto001] Decided to go to Egoiste (formerly apparently known as Hungry Duck). This is a table dance club. Central round stage of 2/3 m surrounded by some sofas. The entrance is 1000 Rubels. The girls will come to your table and will give you a brief lapdance, which would then make 500 rubels each time. Once they have the money they stop dancing and go to the next one. Can get quite expensive, if you do not find a way to send the girls away. Egoiste has real stunnres.[/QUOTE]
I thought Egoist was a male strip club?
Are there two Egoist/Egoiste/Egoistka clubs?

I also don't care what someone else pays or doesn't pay, and while I am highly unlikely to go to Egoiste if I do I am also highly unlikely to pay $1000 USD for anyone there. I do thank Toto for the report, it just adds to the databank of information that may be useful at some stage.

However, I also would like to know where this information came from:

[QUOTE=Toto001]
In fact, the girls in the clubs in moscow tend to ignore westerner guests because they are known to be cheap. Russian men usually spend 10 times as much in nightclubs. So you see, there is also damage that can be done by being too cheap all the time. As somebody who will be traveling to Moscow only 1 time per year for 1-2 nights the most, it does not make sense to negotiate too much. It is much more important to find the right looking girl giving a correct service. Negotiating down every cent can be a wrong start for the night in this respect.[/QUOTE]

It is certainly at odds with my experience.

Cheers

[quote=gentleman travel]i thought egoist was a male strip club?
are there two egoist/egoiste/egoistka clubs?[/quote]i think there have been several egoist clubs over the years, it's a common name.

egoistka (fem) is the male strip club for women.

there is also an egoist gold, on spiridonovka near the intersection of sadovaya kudrinskaya. i stopped by there once, but i didn't have enough money to even take a peek through the window.

my favorite is puzir. but it's a bit of a trek, near universityet.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]My favorite is Puzir. But it's a bit of a trek, near Universityet.[/QUOTE]
Strav,
Any more details on exactly where it is? I have a business colleague whose office is very close to that Metro stop and Puzir could be very convenient. Also, could you tell us a little more about the place?
Thanks,
Jake

Jake,

Puzir is on the southeast(?) corner of Lomonosovskii and Vernardskovo, right at the Universityet Metro station.

There's a rynok there, on the corner, and its in the back, but you should see the sign standing up above the rest of the market.

It was closed for a long time. I think there was a fire, and the whole place was covered with a big tarp for over a year. But... I notice on [url]http://strip.sextalk.ru[/url] that they have a new listing with a new phone number and a picture that shows a new facade, so it looks like it's open again. If you are going to be in the neighborhood anyway, check it out.

I remember one of the nice things about the old Puzir is that there were a LOT of studyentki hanging out there from MGU. Also, the erotic-massage.ru salon is just a couple blocks away on Leninskii Prospekt. Just in case you can't get satisfaction from the strippers or the studyentki.

Here's a report I posted about it. It's old, but if the new Puzir is anything like the old Puzir, you should have a blast there. I know I did. :)


[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=375215&postcount=607[/url]

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Jake,

Puzir is on the southeast(?) corner of Lomonosovskii and Vernardskovo, right at the Universityet Metro station.

There's a rynok there, on the corner, and its in the back, but you should see the sign standing up above the rest of the market.

It was closed for a long time. I think there was a fire, and the whole place was covered with a big tarp for over a year. But... I notice on [url]http://strip.sextalk.ru[/url] that they have a new listing with a new phone number and a picture that shows a new facade, so it looks like it's open again. If you are going to be in the neighborhood anyway, check it out.
[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure it's closed for good (since 2007), also 5 kapel on that list is closed as well (it's now a restaurant).

But try calling the number and see what they say. In general the only cheap strip club left in Moscow as of last year was Rufina, out at Shyolkovskaya. It was 200 rubles cover and beers were 60 rubles, as of a year ago, but I've heard they've raised prices recently.

It's true, sextalk isn't very good about keeping its strip club list up to date.

A couple of "lower" price clubs that I know are operating are Strekoza and Zatmyeniya. I remember I was very impressed with the quality of the talent at Strekoza, as good as anything you'd find in the center of town, for a fraction of the cost.

Hi guys,

Can someone explain what 'Mamba' is? I have seen some references in the posts but didn't get the jist--is it a website, or a place?

Also, if anyone has a moment, can you do a 2 minute, bullet point summary of the best places to pick up-pay-for-play in Moscow these days?

Thanks,

RoP

Mamba is a website.

[url]http://www.mamba.ru/[/url]

I don't know this for sure, but it's been reported that you can find women there who will actually have sex with you for money! :eek:

The mamba database also powers other "dating" sites like Rambler.

And yes, you can find girls on there who will интим за деньги and also Хочу найти спонсора (looking for sponsor). Unlike Western dating/sex sites the girls on Mamba generally mean what they write.

The girls also respond to your messages (in the main) and/or contact you !

If you are going to spend any meaningful time in Russia, get on-line, make a profile and you won't look back.

Cheers

Well, what say here you would like to hear was actually everything I was saying in my report. I did not write the report as an expert. Also I did not write the report for people who consider themselves as experts to the scene in moscow. I wrote it from one occasional visitor on a business trip to the next one. So people who will read and will follow my path will know what to expect. By the way, I doubt that any of you guys will be able to negotiate down the prices at this night club. They are fixed. You do not even negotiate with the girl. You will have to deal with the waitor. So it is a go. No go decision. And here comes into account the time. Knowing that it is one of the last occasions that you have on this trip you may decide to go for the fixed price in that club. I doubt it will have any influence on the prices outside the clubs. Especially since this club seems to be one of the premium clubs in Moscow. At Nightflight the girls quoted prices of 400 USD. If I would have met a girl there that I liked I would certainly not pay her 1000. But if she quotes 500 and I can settle her down to like 400, which seems fair, then I would not try to negotiate much further down given that the girl is a cutie. I would in this case be afraid that it would have a detrimetal impact on the service.

To all you experts. Please consider that there may be also occasional mongerers reading the reports here and they would like to know what they have to expect in the one or other club. From my report these guys learned that you have to put in some money if you go there, but that the girls are well looking. If you plan to take a girl home and you are not willing to spend 1. 000 USD on it, you might want to choose some other club. I think this is pretty informative

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I have no problem with guys telling us how they dropped thousands of Dollars/Euros on a CBJ from a "9" or "10". It's their money and it's their business. More power to them.

I do have a problem with someone who has only been in Moscow once or twice (by his own admission), pretending to be some kind of expert on mongering in Russia. Why? Why not just be honest? "Hey guys, I have no idea what I'm doing, but let me tell you what happened. I went to this club and picked up one of the most gorgeous babes I've ever met and she took me to the moon and back. "

Now that's a story I'd like to hear!

It's also important for other guys reading this forum to understand that this is NOT normal pricing, or behavior, in Moscow.[/QUOTE]

Toto,

You're right, every post enriches our store of knowledge and I'm sure there is a diverse enough membership here in the Moscow forum to benefit from advice and experience at all levels. I just couldn't figure out how you became an expert on Russian mongering, society and culture in 3 days. That's all.

[QUOTE=Toto001]However, the girls in Moscow do know their going rate quite well and I am only talking about the really hot girls which are a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]In fact, the girls in the clubs in moscow tend to ignore westerner guests because they are known to be cheap.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Russian men usually spend 10 times as much in nightclubs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]So you see, there is also damage that can be done by being too cheap all the time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]it does not make sense to negotiate too much. Negotiating down every cent can be a wrong start for the night in this respect.[/QUOTE]

Against better judgement and counsel, I went to Hot Dog's (aka Boar house, aka Chesterfield's) last night. It was shit. Checked my coat, moved to the middle part of the bar and got a beer. Chatted with the bartender and the girls moved in. Maybe I am just jaded but there did not seem to be the LEAST bit of seduction involved. I felt like I was at an Oriental Bazaar and without so much as little small talk (pick a language) I was propositioned for no less than 400 Euros for the night. Believing that it was bargain banter, I tried to play the game and do some negotiating but things seemed to be getting confrontational. It seemed a but strange until I spied "Olga the c*nt".

Yes guys - she appears to be the new Queen Bee at Hot Dog's. I have a bad personal history with her so I thought it might be just me. But after observing for a while, several of the less experienced girls were coming to her for advice on how to handle those of us who do not accept their prices on first offer.

I don't mean to be an asshole about this but from what I could observe, this bit*ch is acting as coach to about 12 girls who were on her "team". For those who don't know Olga the c*nt, she is a very pleasant looking lady who, on first glance, appears to be about 25 years old but after a closer look, it's clear that she's closer to about 35. She has long medium brown hair with a very pleasant smile and sort of a "girl-next-door" face. Her skin is fairly pale and she seems to favor dresses that reveal her shoulders. She's actually quite nice to look at but she should be avoided. She the kind of girl who promises a wild night of sexual delights until the sun comes up but after the first pop she runs off to the bathroom and comes out fully clothed with cell phone in hand with some bullshit excuse about having to go home early. Many of you know what I am talking about. We don't need her giving the rest of the girls a seminar on how to extract more money for less effort.

Anyhow - I'm ranting now but let me join the long list of ISG members who say that this is the LAST time I am going to Hot Dog's. It used to be a cool place to go for a beer or to watch Sunday Night Football, but the girls have gotten so aggressive and so greedy that it's not much fun at all. There used to be a fair share of semi-pros who made the place fun but it seems to have been taken over by some hard core Ho's who have a bad attitude. It's just not fun anymore. If you want to check it out and have a beer on the odd chance that some provincalka looking to earn some extra cash has stumbled in and is willing to play the game - fine. But don't get your hopes up.

Jake out

"Hardcore ho's with bad attitude".

That is exactly as I saw it.

Jake,

It's too bad about Hot Dog's, it was a fun place at one point. Strange that the management would let it go to hell like that, it can't be helping their business.

Good to hear that you are back in the motherland again. Do keep us updated when you have a chance.

To make a long story short, as this topic has been covered in hundreds of posts. Within the context in which I'm young and very attractive, I worked my ass of to negotiate smth better than USD 400, and I got the oldest chick in the place to go for 350 USD. If any of you guys get better, cheers to you!

It was always the same story: "our rule is that we don; t go below 500 USD, all girls agreed to it, and won't go for less". In reality the rule is "start at 500 and go as low as USD 400", or at least that's the impression I got. BTW, that gets you 2 hours of sex.

I strongly recommend "mamba" or "meetme. Ru", same shit going under different names, you can get laid for 80-100 USD/hour and if you search right you can get same quality as nighflight.

If you don; t care about cash and have 500-1000 USD/night to spend, I strongly recommend you go to Nightflight, huge selection, some of the girls are stunning, if you are on a budget, try ONLINE (mamba or websites).

Finally, if as an expat you speak Russian, you don't ever have to pay for sex, unless you fancy the experience.

[QUOTE=Stavvrrooss]
Finally, if as an expat you speak Russian, you don't ever have to pay for sex, unless you fancy the experience.[/QUOTE] 100% bang on. And it does not even have to be good Russian. Just smile and make an effort. BTW - Papas on Monday night is Student Night. Wall to wall students with a 5:1 female to male ratio.

I think you pay for it one way or the other anyway, be it financially or emotionally. Freebies aren't necessarily free...

IMO language skills provides the means to have access to a much larger pool of opportunity - you're not stuck with only those who can speak your language. Also, it means that you can hunt further afield than just Moscow or St.Pete, with the confidence that you can handle most situations.

Jake, thanks for the tip on Papas...students, my favourite!

Cheers

In devochki.ru on the individual girl's pages, right above the prices for hour and night is a line that says "use of a condom:" followed by "necessary" or "not neccessary", all according to rustran.com.

The question is, to what does this pertain? Is it to oral with condom/without (OW/OWO) or is it protectected/unprotected intercourse? Or both?

Chances are, she wants a preservatif on everything.

If you are willing to wade through a Russian website, try intimcity.ru instead. It will list whether or not the girl expects to use a condom for the BJ. Look to see of the Минет в презервативе (BJ with a condom) box is checked.

BTW, the Russian word for BJ is минет.

Which means without.

What does our high monger Bez word play on Bezarra mean?

Is it a bezed for of bizarre?

Sorry guys, but i have to write a good report about hotdog.

It is not a favorite place for me in dispite of the fact that i live 100 meters near HD.

But last time, beers with a friend a home, too tired to try the non-paying market, so we decided to have a beer at HD.

After a beer or 2, i found a red/brown hair girl, seated alone with a coffee, a little bit bored. I sat with her and with started to discussed. After 30 minutes, i found out that we were laughing and keep on laughing, and at that moment she suddenly said to me "do you know why the girls are here" ... i obviously answered positively, and then she said "13 000 rubles".
I didn't answer anything, we continued to talk and started to kiss, and then she said "please let's go for 11 000 rubles" .Then i said immediately yes, as she was really beautifuL, with stars in the eyes and apparently a great (thin) body.

We went home and it was a really great sex party without limit (except covered BJ ..at the beggining...:-), lot of kisses, everything. Before leaving she told me "take my phone number, my best friend is on vacation right now but we want to try a threesome party .."

Since that night, we keep on exchanging some SMS... worth the 11 000 initiam investment imho.

It doesn't say that the place is great. It only says that sometimes you can still be lucky here for a still reasonable price.

PPt,

I envy you, living in Moscow. You can just drop in anytime you feel like it. It's true, you never know what you might find in HD and it's a real luxury to be able to check it out and leave if there is nothing interesting, knowing that you can check again tomorrow, or next week.

Most of us don't have that much time, we're there for a few days and have to make the most of what little time we have. Keep us updated with all the good (and bad) things you find, so we can be prepared when it's our turn.

[QUOTE=Dogger862]Jake, thanks for the tip on Papas...students, my favourite![/quote]Hey Dogger and Jake!

What do you mean with Papas? "Papa's Place" or "Papa John's"?

Cheers!

Hi Guys,

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Helena,

Thanks for the list of hotels. Have you any experience with this new remodel of the Ukraina hotel, now operated by Radisson?

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Hi Guys,

Now the information about best hotel deals and weather in Moscow is available on my pages [url]http://helena-moscow.ru/moscowinfo.html[/url] and [url]http://escort-helena.com/moscowinfo.html[/url] . Enjoy :)[/QUOTE]What about Ma Maison Pokrovska ?

Seems a nice boutique hotel, a bit overpriced, yet surely a bit negotiable (got a rate at 4000 rubles net at Korston BTW, as it is ranked at 230us$++ in your site)

[url]http://www.mamaison.com/moscow.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Helena,

Thanks for the list of hotels. Have you any experience with this new remodel of the Ukraina hotel, now operated by Radisson?[/QUOTE]Hi,

I personally had not experience with this place after renovation, but I heard that it depends on the shift. Sometimes they don't pay attention, but sometimes stop and ask questions. Especially on the way back. And they may ask passport scan. Same as before.

They mean "Papa's Place".
Monday is students night and cheap drinks as well.
[url]http://papas.ru/en/index.html[/url]

I went last week and the basement was PACKED full of people. About 1:1 guy:girl. Very young (like 21 and under) crowd. Being foreign and over 30 I felt a bit out of place.

Anyone pull from here on students night?


[QUOTE=Surcher]Hey Dogger and Jake!

What do you mean with Papas? "Papa's Place" or "Papa John's"?

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Prosal]What about Ma Maison Pokrovska ?

Seems a nice boutique hotel, a bit overpriced, yet surely a bit negotiable (got a rate at 4000 rubles net at Korston BTW, as it is ranked at 230us$++ in your site)

[url]http://www.mamaison.com/moscow.html[/url][/QUOTE]It's a nice place, I like. Very quiet, never no problem, and beautiful rooms.

New photos of old friends.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]It's a nice place, I like. Very quiet, never no problem, and beautiful rooms.[/QUOTE]

What do you think of Korston Hotel?

[QUOTE=Lapin]What do you think of Korston Hotel?[/QUOTE]Korston is a bit out of the way, but plenty of action in the bars. There's also a large strip club inside the hotel (about $40 to get in, but drinks are bar prices, I believe).

[QUOTE=Lapin]What do you think of Korston Hotel?[/QUOTE]Hi,

Korston is a little bit far from everywhere (no metro station in this street), but ok. You need to meet your guest on the floor, because the floor locks with a card. Lift has no card. Security check handbags and use metallic detectors like in the airport. But in general the stuff let people come and go quite easily, because there are a lot of restaurants both down and upstairs, a night club and before this hotel was famous for casino (which is now closed). A small crowd downstairs is a normal thing for this place.

I liked the Ibis Hotel at Pavletskaya. Small hotel with newer rooms and very girl friendly. Lots of true business men with an occasional tour group. Its out of the center but when I stayed it offered some summer bargains. If you stay at hotels like Korston, you will already be categorized as a monger if you meet somebody normal. That's just me.

Off the subject, but here's a tip for some. I spent my first night at Cosmos Hotel(Dump, don't go there). That evening I just had to check out these legendary Moscow prostitute bars so off I went to NightFlight. When I was chatting the devs in this place, they of course asked me what I was doing in Moscow. Like every other monger, I had some crap about being a banker. When they asked me what hotel I was staying at, I responded the Cosmos Hotel. Well, keep in mind I'm one heck of a Sicilian bull shiter, my charade was up and they knew I was in Moscow to monger. Even with prostitutes, I do not like being associated with mongering in peoples eyes.

So how did I get the stink off of me and make sure that I did not skeeve anybody, be it taxi driver, bar girl, somebody I meet on street? First, I changed my hotel to where business men stay. Second, I almost never say this crap anymore about being banker or some business executive. When people asked me why I was there from that day on, I would always respond that I met a Russian girl in my hometown and now I am just a fool chasing a girl half way around the world. Anybody and everybody will always understand the foolish actions of somebody in love.

May not seem very informative, but if your going travel the world to seek out some tail, you might as well try to immerse yourself into the culture without anybody looking down at you.

Will be in Moscow for the next few weeks. Anyone interested in meeting, drinking, and discussing, chasing, and lying about girls?

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Hi,

Korston is a little bit far from everywhere (no metro station in this street), but ok. You need to meet your guest on the floor, because the floor locks with a card. Lift has no card. Security check handbags and use metallic detectors like in the airport. But in general the stuff let people come and go quite easily, because there are a lot of restaurants both down and upstairs, a night club and before this hotel was famous for casino (which is now closed). A small crowd downstairs is a normal thing for this place.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Helena and Dave. I am sorry that the Casino is closed. I am sure it attracted a crowd and as result more girls in the bars!

Tribeta, are you still lurking around here? Wanted to send you a PM but not possible. Speak up if you are around.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Hi,

I personally had not experience with this place after renovation, but I heard that it depends on the shift. Sometimes they don't pay attention, but sometimes stop and ask questions. Especially on the way back. And they may ask passport scan. Same as before.[/QUOTE]Well I have stayed there quite a lot during last months. Lots of security but never noticed them to ask anyone anything. Just depends a bit your outlook as well. There are often 1-2 working girls sitting at bar too. But like ones I have met with customers, only high level ones (eeeeeexpensive my dear fellows), with top of the line dresses etc.

[QUOTE=Unirii]Anyone pull from here on students night?[/QUOTE] Yes, but I'm not proud of it. ;)

Gents, have been a 5 years since I've been to Moscow. I used to go to Safari strip club, Velvet (or something like that, where you climb stairs and the club is upstairs). Etc.

What are the clubs that have same facilities and nice strippers where you can indulge?

Regards

[QUOTE=Boofer; 1103689]Gents, have been a 5 years since I've been to Moscow. I used to go to Safari strip club, Velvet (or something like that, where you climb stairs and the club is upstairs). Etc.

What are the clubs that have same facilities and nice strippers where you can indulge?

Regards[/QUOTE]Boofer,

In one way or another MOST of the strip clubs can arrange for on-site (near-site) intimacy. Having said that some are more straightforward that others. Most recently, I have heard about such facilities at Penthouse Club, Aurora 911, and Oh La La.

I understand that Penthouse Club has gotten quite creative because they have registered legally as a boutique hotel and when you go to the room, you actually register at the front desk of sorts and you actually PAY for your room (about 10, 000 rubles) for an hour. If a girl just happens to show up at your door then that's your business. Interesting approach.

Aurora 911 was very nice clean rooms complete with shower and nice bed. It's been a while since I experienced it first hand but from what I recall it was nice. I seem to recall that it was about 10k as well for an hour.

And Ooh La, La I have no first hand data, only have heard that they have a "special room" for Dacha Dance similar to Safari Lodge from when you were there.

Have you considered visiting one of the salons? No strippers but you can pick one out of a line up and it will cost half the price.

Enjoy yourself.

Jake

Thanks Jack. Please give me a link to the salons please.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1105224]Boofer,

In one way or another MOST of the strip clubs can arrange for on-site (near-site) intimacy. Having said that some are more straightforward that others. Most recently, I have heard about such facilities at Penthouse Club, Aurora 911, and Oh La La.

I understand that Penthouse Club has gotten quite creative because they have registered legally as a boutique hotel and when you go to the room, you actually register at the front desk of sorts and you actually PAY for your room (about 10, 000 rubles) for an hour. If a girl just happens to show up at your door then that's your business. Interesting approach.

Aurora 911 was very nice clean rooms complete with shower and nice bed. It's been a while since I experienced it first hand but from what I recall it was nice. I seem to recall that it was about 10k as well for an hour.

And Ooh La, La I have no first hand data, only have heard that they have a "special room" for Dacha Dance similar to Safari Lodge from when you were there.

Have you considered visiting one of the salons? No strippers but you can pick one out of a line up and it will cost half the price.

Enjoy yourself.

Jake[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Boofer; 1105229]Thanks Jack. Please give me a link to the salons please.

Regards. [/QUOTE][url]Www.charmel.biz[/url]

[url]www.fantasys.biz[/url]

[url]www.atell.ru[/url]

10000 / hour? But in [url]www.devochki.cz[/url] 10000 rubles are for an overnight? 250 euros for the first hour? For what?

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1105224]Boofer,

In one way or another MOST of the strip clubs can arrange for on-site (near-site) intimacy. Having said that some are more straightforward that others. Most recently, I have heard about such facilities at Penthouse Club, Aurora 911, and Oh La La.

I understand that Penthouse Club has gotten quite creative because they have registered legally as a boutique hotel and when you go to the room, you actually register at the front desk of sorts and you actually PAY for your room (about 10, 000 rubles) for an hour. If a girl just happens to show up at your door then that's your business. Interesting approach.

Aurora 911 was very nice clean rooms complete with shower and nice bed. It's been a while since I experienced it first hand but from what I recall it was nice. I seem to recall that it was about 10k as well for an hour.

And Ooh La, La I have no first hand data, only have heard that they have a "special room" for Dacha Dance similar to Safari Lodge from when you were there.

Have you considered visiting one of the salons? No strippers but you can pick one out of a line up and it will cost half the price.

Enjoy yourself.

Jake[/QUOTE]

The last time that I was in Penthouse (June) the deal was R. 10, 000 for the chick and R. 3,000 for the room. Each for one hour.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer; 1106404]10000 / hour? But in.

[url]www.devochki.cz[/url]

10000 rubles are for an overnight? 250 euros for the first hour? For what? [/QUOTE]Sorry Pal. I just report the news, I don't make it.

[QUOTE=Sharalumi;1106690]The last time that I was in Penthouse (June) the deal was R. 10, 000 for the chick and R. 3,000 for the room. Each for one hour.[/QUOTE]Seems like there is a special deal before 21:00.

After several trips to Russia that yeilded only disappointment with the salons, I followed the advice of some ISG members and decided to invest some time into preparing for my next trip by registering on MAMBA. My problem is always time, as I come to Russia for few days at a time and don't have the luxury of "going with the flow". Moreover, I don't have a wingman in Russia and going to clubs alone seems a bit pathetic (plus, I prefer to sleep at night). In other words, I found myself forced to plan way before my visit in order to maximize my few days in Russia.

So, I registered on Mamba. Due to my need of being discrete, I didn't post my picture on my Mamba profile. The first thing I noticed about MAMBA after registering there is the need to get a "real" status by submitting your Russian phone number and then SMSing back what they send you to this number. I guess, this means that unless I'm in Russia and decide to give away my mobile number to MAMBA, I don't have a real chance to benefit from this site fully. Please correct me, gentlemen, if I'm wrong about this. If I'm not, this MAMBA experiment has started off the wrong foot.

I also noticed huge numbers of P4P ads on MAMBA. Not too many studentki or something like that. I'll try anyway and report on what transpired. I think it can be helpful to the ISG members to have a real case study of someone like me (I'm sure there are many guys that fall into below criteria) :

A. Young (relatively) and prosperous, but short time to play in Russia.

Be. Can communicate in Russian.

See. Discrete, so can't post pictures on Mamba.

The. Prefers gorgeous 20 why. Old GFEs with innocent beautiful young faces and long skinny legs.

If anyone has already gone through what I'm planning to do. A feedback will be great. Happy New Year!

Aibolit

Aibolit,

The days of Russian girls looking for foreign men have long since passed. Being a foreign tourist in Moscow today is just as likely to be a liability as an asset, at least when it comes to hunting women. The girls on Mamba and other sites are pretty adept at sniffing out the wannabe's from the guys who are actually there on the ground and, therefore, actually stand a chance of being a customer, or maybe a boyfriend or sponsor.

So, yes, I'm afraid that if you can't establish a presence for yourself in Moscow and if you do not want to show your face, then you can pretty much write off the girls on Mamba. The only girls you will have a chance with are the strictly hard-core pros, who, will most likely be nothing more than a shill for the salons that you found so disappointing.

And since you would prefer to sleep at night, there really isn't much else for you to do.

I can't help but be curious: why go to Moscow if you want to sleep at night? Can't you do that at home?

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1107974.

So, I registered on Mamba. Due to my need of being discrete, I didn't post my picture on my Mamba profile. The first thing I noticed about MAMBA after registering there is the need to get a "real" status by submitting your Russian phone number and then SMSing back what they send you to this number. I guess, this means that unless I'm in Russia and decide to give away my mobile number to MAMBA, I don't have a real chance to benefit from this site fully. Please correct me, gentlemen, if I'm wrong about this. If I'm not, this MAMBA experiment has started off the wrong foot.

Aibolit[/QUOTE]Any cell number around the world will do. Remember to include your country code. Of course.

Just my experience.

P13.

I think Aibolit that your biggest issue is that you don't post picture. Imagine the girl who will receive many emails, why she would consider YOURS if you don't even put your picture? It destroyS 99% of your possibilities IMHO.

I recently used mamba, and I have only one problem: the girls don't accept to meet me at 12. 00 then at 16. 00: they all want to meet at 19. 00 so I don't have enough nights to meet all of them.

This is TOO easy by far, but probably because I live here and write in Russian to them (even with tons of mistake).

I think that the short-term visitor still can use these websites, as girls here may still find it funny to get a date with a foreigner.

To use Mamba properly:

- put pictures

- get by all means a Russian phone number, as it will cost a lot to diev to send you an SMS on your foreign phone number. At least say to them that you will have a Russian phone number as soon as you land in russia

- send your messages only few days before you come, no diev would plan 2 weeks in advance anything

- make clear you will pay the expenses ("I would like to invite you for a dinner") as I get many feed backs from many girls that foreigner are really looking at the expenses, much more than Russian men, and they are afraid to go somewhere with a foreigner and at the end hearing from you "we share the bill?"

- send messages to 10 girls to get 1 date.

- don't limit your selection to the outstanding and stuning 18 years old diev: your chances are not that high unless even in your country you got a lot of success. Try to adress the MILF market, the divorced wife in the age 25-35 where there is real gems who only need a 1 night fun when kids are with babouchka.

Hope it helped and have fun!

Hello, all:

I've noticed an ad on the rusdosug (independent escorts) website for a gentleman's club called incognito. They are advertising girls for $60 per hour. Looks like they're located close to the White House. I was wondering if anyone had any personal knowledge about this club?

Thanks,

Dhalgren17

Strav. I don't go to Russia to hunt for girls, but for work. In other words, I have to be there and the girls are the desirable (but not by all means and at all costs) entertainment. I look fairly attractive, so getting to know freebies in a museum is still a possibility (Russian is not a problem for me). Yet, it's a distant one, given my chronic shortage of time and habit / preference of being approached, rather than the other way around. To sum up. I share your gloom, but partically. I thank you for the feedback though.

Pushkin. Many thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.

Passpartout. Thanks for the comment as well. Putting my picture on MAMBA is certainly intuitive, but I won't do it, as staying discrete is my top priority. I completely understand that not having a picture is not optimal. I was wondering if without a picture there is no way to make any progress on MAMBA. From your comments, it seems like it's a non-starter.

To sum up. So far the feedback is that MAMBA withoug putting one's picture is not a way to go. Salons are out. I may try Fabrique. I heard it's a nice club to meet young pretty things. I may also try intimcity. Ru for outcall. That way I'll have a lineup appear at my hotel and those I don't like I'll send home. Perhaps, this is a way to go in Russia for people like me who don't have time and want to stay discrete.

Best wishes to all. Aibolit

Hi. In the past, I was able to cut-and-paste the Russian cyrillic text in the messages I received. But at some point in time, that changed and I'm not able to do it anymore. Maybe this has been discussed, but I'd like to bump. For someone who needs the help of a translation site to communicate on Mamba, what is the strategy to get around this problem of not being able to cut-and-paste? Help!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Chill Bill; 1109824]Hi. In the past, I was able to cut-and-paste the Russian cyrillic text in the messages I received. But at some point in time, that changed and I'm not able to do it anymore. Maybe this has been discussed, but I'd like to bump. For someone who needs the help of a translation site to communicate on Mamba, what is the strategy to get around this problem of not being able to cut-and-paste? Help!

Thanks! [/QUOTE]Hi Chill Bill,

You are still able to see&p. In my experience it works the way that I can see&p after I received the first two answers by the girl. Before that I just can see&p by opening the message window mark everything (CTRL+A) and then copy then copy everything.

Best,

Johnnybcgn

Ooops. Posted this question in the photos forum. Actually belongs here. Anyway, what is the average going rate in Moscow for an all nighter with a Mamba girl (maybe a 7 or 8 on a scale of 10)?

Hey guys. Another Mamba question. Seems like I hit some sort of profile view maximum of 200 as I was searching through the girls. Now, it seems, I'm stuck. Anyone ever run into this? How can that be lifted to unlimited if you are not in Russia?

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1109465]MAMBA. Continued [/QUOTE]I endlessly urged mongers here eager to chase freebies on Russian or "East meet West" dating sites to first learn about Russian culture before. Russian women HATE sex-hungry tourists who solely intend to go to FSU to fuck girls, and are not even subtle about it. Being able to discuss about Bulgakov, Bunin or Lermontov to a Russian girl is (almost) a ticket to her panties. To read and be able to talk about classics like Master & Margarita (Bulgakov) , a novel that ALL Russians of all ages place at the Pantheon of literature, is the least to do. And to mention modern Russian authors like Pelevin or Sorokine, two of the most famous modern authors, is an even more boosting strategy. I've been accused of "sexual masturbation" with this statement by some culturally unaware woremogers on another thread, but ranting in a witty conversation with a Russian girl "Two citizens appeared at the Patriarchyi Prudy", which is the opening line of Master and Margarita and a phrase that all Russians know by heart, definitely wins you points and boost your position in a Russian girl eyes. Even Ukrainian girls, who put less emphasis in culture than Russians, appreciate much more culturally aware guys than sex-hungry with no clue about their culture.

Also keep in mind that mamba is spammed by millions of se-hungry guys. A hot girl can count on getting 100s of messages, winks, valentines, whatever, this every day. I'm not exagerating. One of my GF showed me her account one day. You HAVE to appear "different" and culturally aware.

I anyway find mamba a waste of time for "real" freebies. There's currently a "East meets West" paying site that is literally fabulous (which is not LL, that has gone downhill) , Prosal's garantee.

BTW, for those who look for easier targets, attractive MILF (25-40 yo) are available ad nauseum in FSU.

Nonetheless they are so easy to woo (with the right dose of game, cultural awareness, romantism and forwardness) , and sex is such a foregone conclusion after just a romantic diner (with drinks) , that it becomes almost anti-climatic.

One 32 yo (still very good-looking for me, but "just not that skanky by FSU standarts) single mom that was literally sexually starving (as most single moms in FSU, and they are millions) just got out of my apartment. Honestly, I personnaly don't find any glory to persuit this kind of affair. It's like playing a video game on the easiest level. Furthermore, the emotional commitment those women usually put in a relationship, even if it's only for a hot fling, is for me too heavy to carry.

But they are really easy preys, for who look this kind of things. And most are all charm, feminity, wittiness and indulgence, and with absolutly no materialistic expectations.

Just my two Hryvnas / Rubles / Soums / ect.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1110668]Nonetheless they are so easy to woo (with the right dose of game, cultural awareness, romantism and forwardness) , and sex is such a foregone conclusion after just a romantic diner (with drinks) , that it becomes almost anti-climatic. One 32 yo (still very good-looking for me, but "just not that skanky by FSU standarts) single mom that was literally sexually starving (as most single moms in FSU, and they are millions) just got out of my apartment. Honestly, I personnaly don't find any glory to persuit this kind of affair. [/QUOTE]Sounds like a kind of "after sex depression", sorry. She doesn't deserves that. She was hot and generous, and loved sex a bit rough and dirty with the right dose of emotions (as all FSU women).

Thanks Svetlana.

Prosal,

So, how long have you been talking to yourself? (I'd put a smilie in here, but they're not working.)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1111298]Prosal,

So, how long have you been talking to yourself? (I'd put a smilie in here, but they're not working.) [/QUOTE]Right (still with smile).

Admittedly, I get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times (as those three last posts)!

That said, I was rather happy with the fuck I just had with Svetlana. And maintain that sexually starved attractive 25-40 yo single moms are available ad nauseum in FSU.)

Ok, a pic to apologize, and a bit of sun in this freezing winter. Charvak Lake, Tashkent)

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Strav.

Do you sometimes watch "Davai pozheminsya" ("Let's get marry", for the non Russian speakers, which is not your case) on Russian TV by the way?

Highly stupid, but highly enjoyable. And sometimes really hot girls, astonishingly (well, not so, for who knows FSU) still single!

Recommanded TV show indeed (smilie).

That said.

The statement that mamba is, to chase genuine FSU freebies, total shit (especially for ratio answers and profiles reliability and quality) compared another paying "East meets West" dating site (which once more is not LL) , is a pure fact.

And I'm rather happy to talk to myself about this goldmine (smilie). Keep on spamming mamba, guys. No problems! (smilie).

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1110747]BTW, for those who look for easier targets, attractive MILF (25-40 yo) are available ad nauseum in FSU.

Nonetheless they are so easy to woo (with the right dose of game, cultural awareness, romantism and forwardness) , and sex is such a foregone conclusion after just a romantic diner (with drinks) , that it becomes almost anti-climatic.

One 32 yo (still very good-looking for me, but "just not that skanky by FSU standarts) single mom that was literally sexually starving (as most single moms in FSU, and they are millions) just got out of my apartment. Honestly, I personnaly don't find any glory to persuit this kind of affair. It's like playing a video game on the easiest level. Furthermore, the emotional commitment those women usually put in a relationship, even if it's only for a hot fling, is for me too heavy to carry.

But they are really easy preys, for who look this kind of things. And most are all charm, feminity, wittiness and indulgence, and with absolutly no materialistic expectations.

Just my two Hryvnas / Rubles / Soums / ect. [/QUOTE]I agree with Prosal. Been there, done that.

I have 2 problems with this approach. One is that it takes time. The second is the emotional damage you do to the girl when you cut-off the relationship.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1111391]Do you sometimes watch "Davai pozheminsya" ("Let's get marry", for the non Russian speakers, which is not your case) on Russian TV by the way?

Highly stupid, but highly enjoyable. And sometimes really hot girls, astonishingly (well, not so, for who knows FSU) still single! [/QUOTE]I do watch the Russkii televisor, but my selection of shows is limited to what I can get here in the States. There's not much playing now that catches my attention. I did like Taksi and also Zolotaya Tyosha (the golden mother-in-law) but they are no longer being shown. You are right that most of the Russian TV shows have plenty of gorgeous babes, even in the most minor roles. Sometimes because they are minor roles. (smilie with a wink)

I have tried and tried to obtain real status on Mamba for weeks. Does anyone know the secret trick? Also I am not familiar with the abbreviation "FSU", is this another site? Any help would be appreciated. I have had a lot of luck on another free site for non-pros. I am not sure if I can put the name of the website here. I hope to make a trip to Russia this summer and partake in some of the beauty that I see here.

Thanks in advance!

RK

[QUOTE=nerd29; 1112410]I have tried and tried to obtain real status on Mamba for weeks. Does anyone know the secret trick? Also I am not familiar with the abbreviation "FSU", is this another site? Any help would be appreciated. I have had a lot of luck on another free site for non-pros. I am not sure if I can put the name of the website here. I hope to make a trip to Russia this summer and partake in some of the beauty that I see here.

Thanks in advance!

RK[/QUOTE]FSU = former Soviet Union, sometimes referred to as Russia + the stans!

Hope that this helps.

Cheers.

P13

[QUOTE=Pushkin13;1112729]FSU = former Soviet Union, sometimes referred to as Russia + the stans! [/QUOTE]Russia + Belarus + Stans + Caucasus (Georgia, Azerbaidjan, Armenia, ect) + Baltic countries + Ukraine + Moldova.

FSU covered sixth of earth landmass (the Russian Empire was also almost that size by the way).

There was 250 distinct ethnic groups living in this part of the world (160 now just in Russia). That have mixed through the centuries. Mixes is the reason why the women are that beautiful in FSU.

[QUOTE=nerd29; 1112410]I have tried and tried to obtain real status on Mamba for weeks. Does anyone know the secret trick? Also I am not familiar with the abbreviation "FSU", is this another site? Any help would be appreciated. I have had a lot of luck on another free site for non-pros. I am not sure if I can put the name of the website here. I hope to make a trip to Russia this summer and partake in some of the beauty that I see here.

Thanks in advance!

RK[/QUOTE]RK,

You need your local phone number to get real status. You post your number and they send you a text email for you you to link to. Send us all here the other free site for non-pros. Share some info here with us all!

Hunter Dave

[QUOTE=HunterDave; 1112867]RK,

You need your local phone number to get real status. You post your number and they send you a text email for you you to link to. Send us all here the other free site for non-pros. Share some info here with us all!

Hunter Dave[/QUOTE]Not to be controversial, but you can a "real" status on mamba with a foreign number (at least with a european one).

Also to get VIP, or raise up your profile in the search lists, you just need to use your PayPal account. VIP for one month costs 3 virtual coins (about us$3) , and raising up profile only 1. Sending compliments (1 to 4 virtual coins each) could seem corny, stupid or useless, but it's IMO sometimes a good ice-breaker if the girl isn't flooded by compliments already, or a nice attention (therefore a position-booster) towards a girl you mesh well with.

That said, mamba is definitely not that great in term of answers ratio when your target is the "genuine" freebie (don't know about sponsorettes or pros). Too many sex-hungry foreigners spam it. Paying sites have a much better answers ratio. Nonetheless most of those sex-hungry foreigners are too stingy to pay 200 € per year (price for the great dating site I recommanded below) to meet quality FSU girls on internet. Too bad for those guys, and good for the others, the non-stingy breed of mongers.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1113041]pay 200 € per year (price for the great dating site I recommanded below) to meet quality FSU girls on internet.[/QUOTE]Which site is that Prosal?

In Moscow, which business hotel is best to book where there are plenty of girls to be found in the lobby or bar, to have some paid fun with?

[QUOTE=Fg Dutch;1113806]In Moscow, which business hotel is best to book where there are plenty of girls to be found in the lobby or bar, to have some paid fun with?[/QUOTE]IMHO. The Sheraton has a nice selection of girls in the lobby and management seem to be pretty switched on. Also, the Hilton Leningradskaya has girls in the lobby bar but so far I have not seen any that really get me excited. If money is not object, then by all means go for the Ritz Carleton. The girls in the RoofTop bar are absolutely stunning but a little too rich for my blood. Down market there is the Cordston Hotel which, of course has it's own strip club attached.

[QUOTE=HunterDave; 1112867]RK,

You need your local phone number to get real status. You post your number and they send you a text email for you you to link to. Send us all here the other free site for non-pros. Share some info here with us all!

Hunter Dave[/QUOTE]Thanks, for the replies. I have entered my number many times and have never gotten a reply with a link or code. I have tried various ways of entering my number but to no avail.

Also, thanks for the FSU explanation.

The website that I have had great luck with is (Mods delete if I break board rules, thanks) : Badoo. It is a free site to join and free to communicate.

I have had great results chatting with girls on this site and then getting to know them better on skype. I am compiling a nice list of non-pros if I can make it to Moscow this summer.

Thanks guys for all the info I have read and gathered over the years. I hope to be a able to give back at some point.

RK

[QUOTE=HunterDave; 1112867]RK,

You need your local phone number to get real status. You post your number and they send you a text email for you you to link to. Send us all here the other free site for non-pros. Share some info here with us all!

Hunter Dave[/QUOTE]In my experience a foreign phone number works just fine, that is if you digit the country code properly of course.

[QUOTE=Chill Bill; 1109824]Hi. In the past, I was able to cut-and-paste the Russian cyrillic text in the messages I received. But at some point in time, that changed and I'm not able to do it anymore. Maybe this has been discussed, but I'd like to bump. For someone who needs the help of a translation site to communicate on Mamba, what is the strategy to get around this problem of not being able to cut-and-paste? Help!

Thanks! [/QUOTE]You can still do that actually, but it seems to me you can only do it when the conversation window is active; for instance, right then when you receive the message it's no problem to select the cirillic and copy-paste it in the translation thingy, but, if you close the window and later on want to get back there wondering WTF was she talking about then you can't copy the text anymore.

Bottomline, you either do it straight away right then and there or never will. Such is life.

Bless

I'm about to go to Moscow soon. I haven't been there for at least five years.

I read the posts and it seems to local scene has changed a lot except for the good old NF.

I'd consider NF the easy option, the prices are quite high and the last time I went there, the quality had gone downhill (compared to 99!).

From the reports I understood quite well the strip club scene. Can someone do a list of the top 5 clubs with the prices of private dances and FS options.

But more importantly I'm curious about the internet scene which is not so well documented (except mamba. Ru).

I checked [url]http://www.dosug.cz[/url] Which seems a nice site, has detailed info about services, metro location etc.

How reliable is this site? How to detect rip off? Are the reviews with the "trust rank" reliables?

I mut say I speak a little Russian so it can help.

But clearly as this period is so cold, I would like to go the easy way and organise an outcall at my hotel. So I probably need some info about a few reliable sites to make my pick.

Thanks in advance for the help. Even for me who has visited moscow five times between 98 & 2003 and speak some Russian I found myself quite lost seeing how fast this scene has evolved.

Cnocubo balchoi.

I'll hopefully have some nice reports to write when I'll be there!

[QUOTE=Escort Fan; 1115452]I'm about to go to Moscow soon. I haven't been there for at least five years.

I read the posts and it seems to local scene has changed a lot except for the good old NF. [/QUOTE]Hi Escort Fan,

I was in Moscow a couple of weeks ago and had a miserable time! The weather was foul so I did not get out of the hotel much (Metropol). There were a few girls, but not very good looking, working the bar there, but prices have really shot up in the last year. They wanted Rb 10, 000/€ 300 for "two hours". I called a couple of agencies, but their prices were the same and they were not really interested in sending girls out to me (maybe because of the weather).

There is a nightclub in the hotel called the "Ripped Off Balls Club". 'This sounds interesting", I thought, but it was dead even at 11pm. So I flew back home and headed for a local place here where I can get 2 hours for half the Moscow price!

I hope you have better luck than me.

[QUOTE=Dave451; 1115589]Hi Escort Fan,

I was in Moscow a couple of weeks ago and had a miserable time! The weather was foul so I did not get out of the hotel much (Metropol). There were a few girls, but not very good looking, working the bar there, but prices have really shot up in the last year. They wanted Rb 10, 000/€ 300 for "two hours". I called a couple of agencies, but their prices were the same and they were not really interested in sending girls out to me (maybe because of the weather).[/QUOTE]This is depressing. What to do at night in moscow then since all casinos are now closed.

Well I'm willing to pay 300€ and more for grade A girl (8+) with full service. I'm quite sure you can't (at least not easily) get premium sex with a premium girl unless you pay premium prices.

However, I'm also quite sure that paying premium prices doesn't guarantee premium sex (BBBJ, DFK, CIM and maybe A) with premium prices. Cf the hardened pros at NF.

Anyone with updated information on where and how to get premium services with premium girls at premium prices in moscow? .

[QUOTE=Escort Fan;1116156]Well I'm willing to pay 300€. . . I'm quite sure you can't (at least not easily) get premium sex with a premium girl unless you pay premium prices.[/QUOTE]300 Euro is a premium price?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1116421]300 Euro is a premium price?[/QUOTE]300 was the figure quoted by the previous poster who had some offers at his hotel.

I'd consider 300 per hour to be the price at which we can begin to talk about "premium".

In London the basic girls starts at 150£ per hour, the mid range girls are 200 or 25£ per hour, and the "elite" girls are 300, 400 or 500£ per h.

Compared to price on rusdog or intimacy. 300 euros (12, 000 Rub or so) per hour seems quite premium. The prices seems to range from 2500 to 5000 in most cases.

Keyword being "seems" as I haven't been in moscow for ages. Perharps someone has up to date information.

Let's anlayse the situation here. Hordes or russians girls are coming to London offering their (often full) services for 150 or 200£ per hour, so why is everyone struggling to find good service girls in Moscow!

[QUOTE=Escort Fan; 1116156]This is depressing. What to do at night in moscow then since all casinos are now closed.

Well I'm willing to pay 300€ and more for grade A girl (8+) with full service. I'm quite sure you can't (at least not easily) get premium sex with a premium girl unless you pay premium prices.

However, I'm also quite sure that paying premium prices doesn't guarantee premium sex (BBBJ, DFK, CIM and maybe A) with premium prices. Cf the hardened pros at NF.

Anyone with updated information on where and how to get premium services with premium girls at premium prices in moscow?[/QUOTE]Hi Escort Fan,

Those two salons below are the most expensive and the second most expensive salon in Moscow.

I recommend you to try those salons.

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/sticker?id_country=50&id_city=1961&id_sticker=12848[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/sticker?id_country=50&id_city=1961&id_sticker=24693[/url]

[QUOTE=HunterDave; 1112867]RK,

You need your local phone number to get real status. You post your number and they send you a text email for you you to link to. Send us all here the other free site for non-pros. Share some info here with us all!

Hunter Dave[/QUOTE]Dear colleagues, I got my real subscription with a foreign mobile phone. Now I'm moving to moscow and have local one but didn't update it.

As it was done long time ago and they have refreshed the webpage could be that now you need a local one.

If talking about me. I input my foreign number. They sent a sms and that was all. No charges. Nothing. But that was quite a few months ago.

[QUOTE=Jonny B; 1116784]Hi Escort Fan,

Those two salons below are the most expensive and the second most expensive salon in Moscow.

I recommend you to try those salons.

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/sticker?id_country=50&id_city=1961&id_sticker=12848[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/sticker?id_country=50&id_city=1961&id_sticker=24693[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the information!

Can you tell me if DFK, BBBJ (and possibily A & CIM) are standard services?

At those prices I'd hope so.

I'd also hope at this price level the photos are accurate.

If the service is good I don't mind paying those prices!

Can you tell me more about the quality of the venue / room?

Do some of the girls speak english?

Is outcall possible?

[QUOTE=Escort Fan; 1116867]Can you tell me if DFK, BBBJ (and possibily A & CIM) are standard services?

At those prices I'd hope so.

I'd also hope at this price level the photos are accurate.

If the service is good I don't mind paying those prices! [/QUOTE]You must be joking, right?

At 20000 rubles an hour and 60000 rubles for overnighter, it's one zero too much.

And people are wondering why are girls in Moscow so expensive. Gentilemen, look no further, we have our answer right here.

[QUOTE=Mark Darcy; 1117496]You must be joking, right?

At 20000 rubles an hour and 60000 rubles for overnighter, it's one zero too much.

And people are wondering why are girls in Moscow so expensive. Gentilemen, look no further, we have our answer right here.[/QUOTE]Well, those "salons" seems to target local people, so somehow there must be a clientele in moscow who think those prices are right.

I expressed surprise right away when I wondered why russians girls would move to london to work at 150 or 200 £ per hour (30 to 50% of which are going to the agency) , when Moscow offer opportunities to work for 20, 000 R.

On a side note what is DFK service in cyrillic I don't understand which it is, while I understand "minet bez".

On a side note all russians offer "minet bez" in London or Paris, while in Moscow it seems to be quite rare! And for CIM even more rare in Moscow!

Another of my surprise is that with the heavy photoshopping I don't see much difference between the 20, 000 R and the 5, 000 R girls.

[QUOTE=Escort Fan;1117673]On a side note all russians offer "minet bez" in London or Paris, while in Moscow it seems to be quite rare! And for CIM even more rare in Moscow![/QUOTE]Not really, минет без резины is not so unusual, but typically you will have to pay extra for it. Just as you will for анальный секс (anal).

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1117917]Not really, минет без резины is not so unusual, but typically you will have to pay extra for it. Just as you will for анальный секс (anal).[/QUOTE]On putana. Ru &1048; &1089; &1087; &1086; &1083; &1100; &1079; &1086; &1074; &1072; &1085; &1080; &1077; &1087; &1088; &1077; &1079; &1077; &1088; &1074; &1072; &1090; &1080; &1074; &1072; : &1053; &1077; &1086; &1073; &1103; &1079; &1072; &1090; &1077; &1083; &1100; &1085; &1086; refers to BBBJ or BBFS?

Because it returns very few girls that have this service.

Also what is the Russian for DFK, it doesn't seem to be a listed service on most site, but then again my Russian is rusty.

1, 000 extra for BBBJ or A is ok, afterall I made 2, 000 miles to fuck those girls :)

[QUOTE=Escort Fan; 1116867]Thanks a lot for the information!

Can you tell me if DFK, BBBJ (and possibily A & CIM) are standard services?

At those prices I'd hope so.

I'd also hope at this price level the photos are accurate.

If the service is good I don't mind paying those prices!

Can you tell me more about the quality of the venue / room?

Do some of the girls speak english?

Is outcall possible?[/QUOTE]I am sorry to inform you that I have not tried those salons yet.

Unlike the Night flight, those salons are not for foreigners but for Russian.

And, those have already existed for some time.

According to above-mentioned facts, I think girls in those salons are at least worth the price.

Hi! I haven't been to Moscow in 5 years. Does anyone know how the street action / totchka situation is there now? How are the prices and where is it happening? Is Khimki still a hotspot for totchkamongering?

[QUOTE=Escort Fan; 1115452]I'd consider NF the easy option, the prices are quite high and the last time I went there, the quality had gone downhill (compared to 99!).

From the reports I understood quite well the strip club scene. Can someone do a list of the top 5 clubs with the prices of private dances and FS options.

But more importantly I'm curious about the internet scene which is not so well documented (except mamba. Ru).

I checked.

[url]http://www.dosug.cz[/url]

Which seems a nice site, has detailed info about services, metro location etc.

How reliable is this site? How to detect rip off? Are the reviews with the "trust rank" reliables?

I mut say I speak a little Russian so it can help. [/QUOTE]1. NF or Hotdog are your 2options if you want to go to a club where you got 50 girls working. High prices of course. Both got bad reputation now, even if my last try at HD was excellent. The key word here: chemistry with the girl

2. Strip club, you got 2 options: 19 and Aurora. The main difference between the 2 is that in 19, a girl is coming to offer you a dance (200/300 rur) everytime. In Aurora you can stay 30 minutes without a girl coming to you. Aurora is more classy as well. Sex is 8/10 000 rur for 30 mns in 19, 10 000 for 1 horu in aurora.

3. Internet: you can rely mainly on intimcity. Nl. Easy to spot the real girls: if they go out to visit you and take only girls with comments and pictures validated by mongers

Enjoy your time. With your small Russian, things should be easy

Against my better judgement, I went to HD last Thursday about 1:15 AM. Wow. What a sad night. Olga, the self appointed queen bee was there running the show as usual telling which girls to go over and talk to which guys. BTW. I had a BAD experience with Olga and literally THREW her out of my apartment a few years ago. She recognized me after about 15 minutes and started sending the goblins over. . I guess it has come back to haunt me. Oh well, those are the breaks. But generally, the quality was low and the prices were high. I keep saying this and I break my vow ever time but,"That's the last time I am going to go to HD". (ha ha ha ha ha)

Also, I called a girl off of Rusdosug. Com. Very good session. Although she's not quite as young as her pictures, she's a good service provider. I won't say how much I paid because the girls all advertise their prices on rusdosug, but I will say that once you get them on the phone they will negotiate. Also, this particular girl showed BBBJ as off limits but was more that happy to slurp away to her heart's content with no condom. She actually asked me which I preferred (CBJ or BBBJ) so these girls want to be in control of what they provide based on an "onsite inspection". Smart business practice I suppose.

In Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk today. Will checkout the disco in the hotel tonight and give you guys a report. I was so jet lagged yesterday that I went to bed at 9 PM. I did manage a beer in the hotel lobby bar and saw some VERY promising talent.

[QUOTE=Escort Fan; 1117933]On putana. Ru &1048; &1089; &1087; &1086; &1083; &1100; &1079; &1086; &1074; &1072; &1085; &1080; &1077; &1087; &1088; &1077; &1079; &1077; &1088; &1074; &1072; &1090; &1080; &1074; &1072; : &1053; &1077; &1086; &1073; &1103; &1079; &1072; &1090; &1077; &1083; &1100; &1085; &1086; refers to BBBJ or BBFS?

Because it returns very few girls that have this service.

Also what is the Russian for DFK, it doesn't seem to be a listed service on most site, but then again my Russian is rusty.

1,000 extra for BBBJ or A is ok, afterall I made 2, 000 miles to fuck those girls. [/QUOTE]Somehow the cyrillic copy / paste didn't work.

I enquired about "Izpolzovanie preservativa : nie obyazatelno" (means wearing condom isn't mandatory)

Does that refer only to minet (BJ) or also FS?

(bareback police please don't shoot me, I'm just trying to understand and evaluate the situation!)

[QUOTE=Jake993;1118174]Against my better judgement, I went to HD last Thursday about 1:15 AM. I keep saying this and I break my vow ever time but,"That's the last time I am going to go to HD"[/QUOTE]Let's see, what do they call it when you keep doing the same thing over and over again and keep expecting a different result each time?

Don't they call that [i]insanity[/i]?

Looking forward to your report on Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk!

[QUOTE=Passepartout; 1118158]1. NF or Hotdog are your 2options if you want to go to a club where you got 50 girls working. High prices of course. Both got bad reputation now, even if my last try at HD was excellent. The key word here: chemistry with the girl

2. Strip club, you got 2 options: 19 and Aurora. The main difference between the 2 is that in 19, a girl is coming to offer you a dance (200/300 rur) everytime. In Aurora you can stay 30 minutes without a girl coming to you. Aurora is more classy as well. Sex is 8/10 000 rur for 30 mns in 19, 10 000 for 1 horu in aurora.

3. Internet: you can rely mainly on intimcity. Nl. Easy to spot the real girls: if they go out to visit you and take only girls with comments and pictures validated by mongers

Enjoy your time. With your small Russian, things should be easy[/QUOTE]Have you been to the Strip club Penthouse? Anything, anyone?

QUOTE=Castonthis; 1118429]Have you been to the Strip club Penthouse? Anything, anyone? [/QUOTE]Have often been to Penthouse. It still has a good atmosphere but the girls are not as ex-pat friendly as they used to be.

Entrance is R. 1000, drinks are reasonably priced. When it first opened it was similar to Safari Lodge with the girls all over you for R. 100. They offered private dances but I have never bothered. Screwed a black chick here some time ago. The rooms downstairs and very comfortable. Room cost R. 3000 and the chick R. 7000.

However on my last visits have noticed that we are being ignored by most of the girls. They prefer Russian company as I assume that they are paying much more. I will talk the the management about this and post the details later.

Still a good place to visit!

[QUOTE=Chill Bill;1110306]Hey guys. Another Mamba question. Seems like I hit some sort of profile view maximum of 200 as I was searching through the girls. Now, it seems, I'm stuck. Anyone ever run into this? How can that be lifted to unlimited if you are not in Russia?[/QUOTE]Advanced limit (100 contacts) can be activated for 24 hours. It costs one virtual coin (1us$) from your account.

Gentlemen,

I'm in Moscow and ready to play. If anyone is interested to keep me company. Please PM me. I can speak both English and Russian equally well.

Best. Aibolit.

Just visited few places in Moscow. Visited Koyote Ugly and Real McCoy. The first was very packed and entrace was 500 rubles. Great party atmosphere. As I rely solely on verbal communication and it was loud, me and my company left shortly. Real McCoy was similar to KU, but more space and free. Something, perhaps, to repeat another day.

I did discover a great place that wasn't discussed on this forum. The name of it is Luch. It's on the Pirogova street, where all the medical schools are. This place is an elite one, but very nice atmosphere. The bar on the first floor is packed with stunning women, but my friend told me they are all working. Like NF but more reasonable. The spaces that are not the bar are packed with beautiful looking people as well and, appartently, people on occasion ask permission to sit with the dievs who come without the male company.

More reports are likely to come.

Best,

Aibolit

Visiting moscow at the end on the month. Need some advise about girl / guest friendly hotels. Checking the following hotels with reasaonable prices: Izmailovo Gamma Delta Hotel Moscow, Izmailovo Vega Hotel Moscow & Izmailovo Alfa Hotel Moscow. Any advise of those hotels or any similar pricing hotels who are girl / guest friendly will be very much appreciated.

I hate going through the hustle of bribing security & being harassed by some body guards.

Aibolit,

Do you get faced at Luch? What's the entry?

I've been there for dinner, not lunch. No entry fee, but early reservation was required. Prices are relatively high, as this is an "elitni" place apparently. My friend told me that "most girls standing near the bar will go home with you for few hundred $". Some of them looked quite hot and did eye the public in a way that made me think that my friend knows what he's talking about. The ladies seated on both levels are just to socialize and are not for sale (if there is such a thing in Russia). Some of them were stunning also. I was told the a stunning model in the corner was accompanying a relatively well-known banking oligarch.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1120378]Aibolit,

Do you get faced at Luch? What's the entry? [/QUOTE]

And yes, we were faced, but nothing serious. We told the guards that we have a reservation. So, no much of a serious problem. We did get stopped at Denis Simachev bar, as they required us to be "on a list".

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1120378]Aibolit,

Do you get faced at Luch? What's the entry? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Riku58; 1120302]Visiting moscow at the end on the month. Need some advise about girl / guest friendly hotels. Checking the following hotels with reasaonable prices: Izmailovo Gamma Delta Hotel Moscow, Izmailovo Vega Hotel Moscow & Izmailovo Alfa Hotel Moscow. Any advise of those hotels or any similar pricing hotels who are girl / guest friendly will be very much appreciated.

I hate going through the hustle of bribing security & being harassed by some body guards. [/QUOTE]Riku,

These hotels are all outside the center. Slowly, they are being renovated but still a little rough. I went inside Izmailovo Delta last summer. Or was it Gamma? I forget which, but it was the one closest to discount center. Anyhow I went in looking for aBankomat and pleasantly surprised how well they had renovated the lobby. But rooms? No idea. I have heard these hotels are NOT what you might call guest friendly unless you are bring up one of THEIR girls. Otherwise you are required to go through the hassle. All of the Western hotel chains are pretty guest friendly although the security at the Sheraton and the Renaissance can get pissy from time to time.

Good luck.

IMHO you would better off to rent a serviced apartment nearer the center if you are on a budget.

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1120399]And yes, we were faced, but nothing serious. We told the guards that we have a reservation. So, no much of a serious problem. We did get stopped at Denis Simachev bar, as they required us to be "on a list".[/QUOTE]Yes, Luch is very cool indeed. But it's a bit too "beautiful" for my taste. I was there in October and was blown away with the whisky selection but the prices blew me away equally. Although, I must say, they had a few very rare whiskies that they priced quite reasonably so who knows?

As far as the girls went, I must be too much of a troll to be hit on. Unlike NF or HD, these girls were not "out there" broadcasting availability. But then, I suppose Luch is not trying be that sort of place. I have heard about a few guys that have taken freebies out of there, however, these are party girls looking for sponsorships or at very least to have gifts showered upon them. Too much attitude for my taste.

Alfa, Delta and Gamma are nearly fully renovated and offer a wide set of services you might not even imagine. All in the area, form cafes to restaurant a good sushi to casino or fitness, sauna, massage, pool, bowling, or whatever, even a real post office and some banks and change. '$/'$ bars and restaurants of course, some expensive some cheap.

As in every 'soviet' style hotel you can book different 'level' rooms some are ugly (un renovated since 1979 or so) , but most are clean and nice, no luxury, but even suites with PC, printers fridges, tea water etc. There are shops, pharmacies, (Viagra, Cialis etc) in the lobbies and surroundings. Mind that all you buy inside the hotel is a little bit more expensive than outside.

Then you have (Sat-Sun 09-17) the Vernissage, or the food and general marked behind it (where you get fabulous shashlik, grilled meat, mostly lamb.) one of the most fascinable parts of the 'real' Moscow.

Just 25 minutes metro from red Square on the blue line.

Girl Friendly?

If you follow the normal 'soviet' procedures ho problem.

I just take a double room for two and just register my girl friend when I arrive: No hassle, no problem and safe (of course she has to carry an I'd). When I arrive (directly from the airport) she is usually waithing me at the bar in the lobby.

Otherwise up to 11. 00 pm you can get guest up to your room, of course they will be registered at the small desk beside the lift block. At 11. 30 pm or so somebody will knack at your door and tell you your guest (s) has to go. Simply handle over a 1000 RUR note. (2. 000 if you are doing a threesome) and nobody will disturb you any more.

I have been there more than 20 times, with all types of girls, never had problems. Of course the security has own ones, mostly in Delta-Gamma. Ugly run down 30-40 whyear old asking for 100-1500 USD / hour (crazy!) , and the girls making lap dance at the Alpha Night Club usually are really (unbelievable) only doing lap. No sex!

Eating suggestion:

- At the 1 st floor of Alpha there is a cozy Caucasian restaurant, small, and hard to find, good food. Same at the lobby floor of the Delta Gamma, in the middle.

- If you buy a room without breakfast, choose the breakfast at 2nd floor Gamma / Delta biggest choice and you can eat all you want. Even a 10 egg omelet

- On the way to the Partizansakaya metro there is a Sushi bar, small one, good and fresh. (the one on the right side toward the station not the opposite one in an independent house!) same for the Russian fast food in front of the station.

- In the two storey small commercial centre beside the metro you can buy all you need for self catering.

- Avoid the Caviar (black one) , most in the shops is fake, the red one is ok. (some real can be found in the mall, but other Moscow markets are better.

Sexy suggestion:

- In the Gamma-Delta lobby they are selling condoms Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, on the Apoteka on the way to the metro also.

- In front of the Vega, behind the normal shops there is a Sex shop (INTIM in Russian) Cash only, has the most you need. Sexy clothes (made for pros) and incredible shoes can be brought in the small mall near the metro.

Just my two cents having been there so many times.

ATM delivering roubles or USD (some only) alsmost everywhere in the lobbies, in some big shops, in the metro station, in the small shopping mall, best change near the jewellery towards the station on the right side (avoid changing in the Lobby exchange)...

Telephone: use hotel ones, give a deposit and it will bee very cheab for local or mobile calls for the girls and to your homr, or go to a desk and rent a local one...

IT

PS the pics atre all from the Delta Gamma 1st/business rooms... and you can see what you can do inside....

LAST MY PERSONAL OPINION...

The hotel is perfect for Long Time sponsorettes you get on mamba or love... teens or young twenties never been anywhere... Took there a lot.... some are really excited to be in a big hotel... (non pro ones of course)...

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I hate going through the hustle of bribing security & being harassed by some body guards. [/QUOTE]

Some of you may already have heard but Chesterfield's is BACK! For those who do not recognize the name, Chesterfield's is the name of the restaurant bar that eventually became Doug & Marty's Boarhouse and ow HotDog's. My understanding is that Doug (among others) has reopened Chesterfields at 19 Novy Arbat on the site of Angrara.

[url]www.chester-bar.ru[/url]

Judging from the promos, It seems that they are trying to re-create the days of old. It will be interesting to see if they can attract the pros and semi-pros with the program. Have not made it over yet but keen on checking it out. Leaving for Krasnoyarsk tomorrow evening so it will have to wait until I get back. Just another development in the rapidly changing face of Moscow.

It always looks so nice in the pictures. And then you walk in, and realize what a dive it is.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1121245]It always looks so nice in the pictures. And then you walk in, and realize what a dive it is.[/QUOTE]Not this time Strav. Angara (which only closed at year end) was a VERY nice place. I was there last on December 12th. It's not remotely possible that the place would have deteriorated in such a short time.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1121696]Not this time Strav. Angara (which only closed at year end) was a VERY nice place. I was there last on December 12th. It's not remotely possible that the place would have deteriorated in such a short time.[/QUOTE]I was there on the opening night and we all agreed that the place has potential. Enormous bar, good choice of beer (Uk & US) and reasonable service.

Doug is behind the re-incarnation and I believe that its going to become a good place with the normal countdown Mondays, ladies nights etc. Just a few women last Friday but disturbing was a small table of senior pros who I hope are not there to fix the prices etc. From what I believe the idea is to keep the place much more open so it should not deteriorate to HotDogs standard.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1110668]I anyway find mamba a waste of time for "real" freebies. There's currently a "East meets West" paying site that is literally fabulous (which is not LL, that has gone downhill) , Prosal's garantee.[/QUOTE]Will you tell me which site is that please?

I have found these interesting advertisements:

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=27415&gid=35379[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=12835&gid=7021[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=19725&gid=31137[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=24276&gid=27810[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=28911&gid=42052[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=23185&gid=43536[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=19161&gid=38413[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=27637&gid=39673[/url]

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/girl?sid=1565&gid=7411[/url]

Who wants to go there to see those girls? Do they exist? Who wants to try them?

Of course, everything is negotiable, services and prices are for beginners.

Jake 993 + It Travel.

Thanks for the advise much appreciated. Any recommendations for gues friendly hotels in the center of moscow, maybe Arabat ot Tverskaya area? Thanks in advance for your usual support.

[QUOTE=Riku58; 1122878]Jake 993 + It Travel.

Thanks for the advise much appreciated. Any recommendations for gues friendly hotels in the center of moscow, maybe Arabat ot Tverskaya area? Thanks in advance for your usual support. [/QUOTE]Frankly speaking I never stay in the central area. Totally wasted money. 4-5 even 600 USD for a room!

I take the Metro for 50 cents and get in to the Red Square or anywhere in Moscow. So.

But I mist say that the crisis afforded Moscow too so you can find intesting cheap options at other areas but the centre is still crazy mostly over 300 € for a room. I prefert to put them on a nice blondinka. .

IT

PS the most crazy is the Ritz, on the place of the former Intourist, from 2000 € for a normal room to 7.500 for a suite (I hope it's girlfiendly, may be you find directly a blondinka in the bed!)

[QUOTE=Prosal;1113041]That said, mamba is definitely not that great in term of answers ratio when your target is the "genuine" freebie (don't know about sponsorettes or pros). Too many sex-hungry foreigners spam it.[/QUOTE]Have to re-evaluate my thoughts about mamba, as long as it concerms girls that live abroad (outside Russia). Those past two weeks in Paris, I dated 7 girls from the site, scored 4, the others is only a question of time. A 35 yo professional holding a travel agency specialized in Russian clientele, a 28 yo Armenian designer in fancy women outfits, a 20 yo from Kursk diplomed in agronomy, a 22 yo Moldovian speaking 6 languages, a 19 yo from Omsk, a 24 yo stripper from Piter fond of french culture and studying french language for three months at Sorbonne, a 25 yo Ukrainian working for a private jet company, ect. An important budget in dinning, drinking and Cialis, but definitely worth it.

Mamba is definitely good for meeting Russian girls living in your city of residence, as long as you stand out in the crowd of men that contact them, are witty enough in your chit-chat, dress fancy for the meetings, have a bit of cash, live confortably in a good area, and can hold conversations about Russian culture (a VERY important point).

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BTW

Dressing fancy is admittedly a very very important point to score Russian women.

Slavic girls are some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth. And are VERY good at gauging what you wear. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. Style and clothes are more important than looks for them (unlike latinas). Looks help undoubtedly, but it really isn't a central theme with Slavic girls.

Bought this winter a Zilli black cashmere and black mink coat that is a true killer (a very sophisticated Russian woman I met this week admitted that she made her first opinion about me from it). Success guaranteed.

[quote=prosal;1122975]slavic girls are some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth. and are very good at gauging what you wear. fake and cheap gets you nowhere.[/quote]never a truer word spoken. i bought a canali suit a few months back and somehow, a few girls have been able to sneak a peek at the label and 3 different girsl have commented on it. go figure. i have a bogner polo shirt that (i got for 75% off) i reserve exclusively for wear in moscow.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1122975]BTW

Dressing fancy is admittedly a very very important point to score Russian women.

Slavic girls are some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth. And are VERY good at gauging what you wear. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. Style and clothes are more important than looks for them (unlike latinas). Looks help undoubtedly, but it really isn't a central theme with Slavic girls.

Bought this winter a Zilli black cashmere and black mink coat that is a true killer (a very sophisticated Russian woman I met this week admitted that she made her first opinion about me from it). Success guaranteed. [/QUOTE]Any comments on how Russian women would respond to a refined, polished person of color (black, indian, etc.). Assume top calibre style and charisma. Interested to hear your opinion.

Sometime I really go off the traditional petite skinny girl (like Valentina or so) because I had some and few nice experiences with softies. I mean young full figured girls let's say in the proportion 160 x 60 kgs or 170 65/67 kgs (Sveta was one in Moscow giving wonderful BBBJ + CIM + Swallowing as a wake up. Really nice). Usually they are less wanted than skinny model types so they put more energy, and some time the GFE is really wonderful (always wet and horny).

Just found one in Moscow and on ground I will be soon there. She is quite expensive, but seems a goddess of softies. I just wonder if somebody has already tried her. In any case I really can't imagine a cow girl ride with those watermelons. And she is even a redhead!

Nearly perfect:

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/nisa_2/[/url]

21/157/61 / DDD cups, red and pale white skin. Soft and juicy.

If you drilled her please follow up. I'm afraid she might be like a log in bed and waste my $$$$

IT

Dude, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you are going to have your work cut out for you. Generally speaking, Russians are about as racially prejudiced as they come. Sorry to offend our Russian brethren, but you guys know I am right.

Having said that, I do recall a hot Russian babe once telling me that she would like to fuck a black guy. And I am pretty sure she was serious too. So I would guess that for those who are into it, you will attract them like flies to honey. For those who are not absolutely into it. Not so much. Hope you do not take offense at my candor.

[QUOTE=It Travel;1123146]In any case I really can't imagine a cow girl ride with those watermelons.[/QUOTE]Hey IT,

Better bring your American Football helmet for protection!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1123157]Dude, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you are going to have your work cut out for you. Generally speaking, Russians are about as racially prejudiced as they come. Sorry to offend our Russian brethren, but you guys know I am right.[/QUOTE]Seconded.

As a side note, Uzbekistan women seem, in this respect, much more tolerant and open minded than Russian women are. Uzbekistan is a place which is ethnically incredibly diverse and the people there have to get along. A person of color would certainly feel more confortable in Tashkent than in Novossibirsk. That said, to answer to Luckystar, top caliber style, dressing refinement and charisma takes you far wherever in the world, whatever your skin color, this including in Russia I think.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1123158]Hey IT,

Better bring your American Football helmet for protection! [/QUOTE]But I can take my motorcycle helmet!

I must say surely not in the ordinary beauty parameters. Tall skinny, blonde, etc etc, but Se will work on me like a 20mg Cialis. Can't imagine a titfuck with facial endup! WOW!

My doubt is just she is like a log in the bed, I found some pros just opening the legs. And on ground she is a pro not a sponsorette.

IT

[quote=jake993;1123043]i bought a canali suit a few months back and somehow, a few girls have been able to sneak a peek at the label and 3 different girsl have commented on it. go figure.[/quote]cool and expensive clothes = success in life = power = sex. it's a fact of life in this part of the world. for a russian woman, a "real" man must be (or at least must seem) successful in life.

they themselves always love to dress to the tens (not only to impress, but also to seduce) , and anything less than a correspondingly well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking.

the expensive watch is also magnet for girls. as the optical glasses if you wear some. recently bought a 600€ frame (+ glasses) dita statesman model, and as for your canali suit, all the russian girls i've met have commented on it. winner.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1123157]Dude, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you are going to have your work cut out for you. Generally speaking, Russians are about as racially prejudiced as they come. Sorry to offend our Russian brethren, but you guys know I am right.

Having said that, I do recall a hot Russian babe once telling me that she would like to fuck a black guy. And I am pretty sure she was serious too. So I would guess that for those who are into it, you will attract them like flies to honey. For those who are not absolutely into it. Not so much. Hope you do not take offense at my candor. [/QUOTE]Thank you for the frankness. No offense taken.

Like everyone else, I the like to go to a place where the environment would be enjoyable and hospitable, regardless of the sex appeal of the local women. Russian women are, of course, incredibly beautiful. But the racial elements have always seemed like an impediment.

i received a lesson on this within an hour of my arrival into moscow. i picked up a taxi from the approved maffia stand at the airport."tony soprano", the driver, new a few english words and was eager to converse. while driving me into town, he noticed an african male in a car accident. he went into a winded speech as to how there is no politically correct in russia and they use the "n" word directly with people of african heritage.

On a recent cold cold wintery night we gathered a group of men in need to search for warm women.

Ending up spending way too much time (and not only time) at Penthouse and Aurora 911.

These are both high end (expensive) strip clubs with full service available in private rooms.

The quality of girls and bar service at both places is very high.

I've talked to a number of girls that have confirmed both clubs have the same owner and the girls do switch between one and the other. Prices are close if not identical at both.

Applies to both clubs:

- 1 hour of sex in the on site rooms. 12, 000 rubles including the room charge.

- Personal dance at your chair, touching allowed, tip to the girl 100 to 300 rubles. Good value, full nudity.

- Private dance in another room for one song. 1000 rubles. Basically the same thing you get back at your chair with a little more grinding. Terrible value IMHO.

- Most but not all of the girls are available for sex.

- The club doesn't like girls freelancing but if you ask correctly and are discrete you can get a girls number for home service another time.

The quality of the girls in both clubs is stunning. They're both the kind of place you walk in and just shake your head and smile. I've taken a girl a few times at Aurora and while expensive it's always been a very good experience. Plus you get a full preview / sampling / interview in the club before you make your choice.

Personally I think Aurora puts on a better show (a fantastic show) , has friendlier girls, and a layout that is better suited to mixing with the girls and having dances at your table / chair. I loved it a year ago. I love it now. I've been to strip clubs in MANY countires and I must say this is one of the best. Is there any better in Moscow?

Will be in Moscow for a few weeks.

Interested in meeting up with anyone that shares a charitable interest in supporting hard working girls with great tits.

[QUOTE=Unirii;1123858]Personally I think Aurora puts on a better show (a fantastic show) , has friendlier girls, and a layout that is better suited to mixing with the girls and having dances at your table / chair. I loved it a year ago. I love it now. I've been to strip clubs in MANY countires and I must say this is one of the best. Is there any better in Moscow?[/QUOTE]I sure don't think so. I "date" a girl who works at 911 occasionally and she commented that the Penthouse format is designed for foreigners. What does that mean? Not sure. But I will say that the "Flag Dance" and the girls up on the platforms at 911 are hard to beat. To quote our dearly departed brother Dr. Skank,"How could you NOT like this".

I am in Krasnoyarsk at the moment and got to experience two of their strip clubs and I must say, it's not even close. I will post a report on the Other Areas section to as not to pollute the Moscow section with errata. Heading back to Moscow tomorrow night and I must say I AM looking forward to groping nekked girls with big hooters for 100. 300 Rubles a handful.

Udachi

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1123198]Seconded.

As a side note, Uzbekistan women seem, in this respect, much more tolerant and open minded than Russian women are. Uzbekistan is a place which is ethnically incredibly diverse and the people there have to get along. A person of color would certainly feel more confortable in Tashkent than in Novossibirsk. That said, to answer to Luckystar, top caliber style, dressing refinement and charisma takes you far wherever in the world, whatever your skin color, this including in Russia I think. [/QUOTE]I have followed your exploits in Uzbekistan with interest, Prosal. The problem is I have a thing for blondes, and I m unsure Uzbekistan has the quality and abundance of such. I ve been spoiled by all my Scandinavian freebies and am now particular about the quality of women. Given your criteria of style, refinement, and charisma, I feel I fit the bill. I ve done well in every other country I ve been to. But Russia does remain a unique beast.

[QUOTE=Unirii;1123858]Personally I think Aurora puts on a better show (a fantastic show) , has friendlier girls, and a layout that is better suited to mixing with the girls and having dances at your table / chair. I loved it a year ago. I love it now. I've been to strip clubs in MANY countires and I must say this is one of the best. Is there any better in Moscow?[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention that last time at Aurora 911 there was two absolutely gorgeous barbie twins working together. These girls were stunning blonds and an exact copy of each other. Anyone spend time with them?

Went yesterday to club 19.

As usual, your are hassled by girls for dance at your place for 200 rubles (you can give more if you like). I personally like very much when I don't have to wait between 2 dances. But some people feel a little bit under pressure as you can't even discuss with your buddy, girls don't stop coming to dance for you.

I usually do not have sex in this place, I go there only to see and touch boobs, and dream, the time of a song.

Yesterday a tall blond girl, after a dance, offered me to go to room, I declined as I was not in the mood as I told. OK.

When I left the club, she called me as I was passing through, asked some direct questions (you live in moscow, alone or not, etc.) and then said to me straight "take my phone number, so we can meet outside, go to restaurant, cinema, and then at your place for the night."

Lucky me!

I already told it here, but it is absolutely amazing the ratio of phone numbers and then free occasional dates I get, on the total number of visit to strip club I did.

[QUOTE=Passepartout;1124158]I already told it here, but it is absolutely amazing the ratio of phone numbers and then free occasional dates I get, on the total number of visit to strip club I did.[/QUOTE]Having a stripper as a regular "fuck-buddy" is a very good position in that even if you go to a non-pro disco or have a date with a non-pro and say don't get any that night, you always have your stripper to fall back on in the morning.

Did it in Chisinau, with a nice and rather hot girl working in Bacardi Club. She would get off of work at 5am, SMSed to see if I was alone, and if I was, would go to my apartment, down one beer or two, talk a bit, bang me, sleep till noon, and then leave. No questions asked. No materialistic expectations. Talk about a nice situation. Had the same kind of experience in Tashkent.

As you say, many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and have some "game". The Chisinau stripper (from her Book) :

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[QUOTE=Prosal;1124200]Having a stripper as a regular "fuck-buddy" is a very good position in that even if you go to a non-pro disco .......As you say, many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and have some "game". ][/QUOTE]Could not agree with you more. After being treated like a piece of meat all night, these girls often respond VERY well to a little bit of nice treatment. These girls are not looking for money as much as they are looking for a little personal attention.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1124573]Could not agree with you more. After being treated like a piece of meat all night, these girls often respond VERY well to a little bit of nice treatment. These girls are not looking for money as much as they are looking for a little personal attention.[/QUOTE]Admittedly, even if respect, kindness and game are important to score strippers, the fact is that usually those girls live in tiny apartments, often with their family, in nameless outskirts commieblocks with entryways and elevators that smell [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and cold beer. My Chisinau stripper was happy to leave for a while, for a confortable sleep in my place, the 50 square meters where she lived with her mom, dad (alcoholic) , sister, brother-in-law and nephew. Gloomy.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1124584]Admittedly, even if respect, kindness and game are important to score strippers, the fact is that usually those girls live in tiny apartments, often with their family, in nameless outskirts commieblocks with entryways and elevators that smell [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and cold beer. My Chisinau stripper was happy to leave for a while, for a confortable sleep in my place, the 50 square meters where she lived with her mom, dad (alcoholic) , sister, brother-in-law and nephew. Gloomy.[/QUOTE]Well, if you are going to put it THAT way then we should ALL be trying to help these poor girls get a good night's sleep away from their families in their "Kruschovkas".

[QUOTE=Jake993;1124846]Well, if you are going to put it THAT way then we should ALL be trying to help these poor girls get a good night's sleep away from their families in their "Kruschovkas".[/QUOTE]Right on. It's our duty. (smiley)

Another pleasurable night in Aurora. I would shortlist this with some good German FKK's as one of the best experiences (quality of girls, overall atmosphere) in the world.

For those that have enjoyed Aurora, what other places (strip club or brothel) in Moscow or the world you say are just as good or better?

[QUOTE=Unirii; 1125202]Another pleasurable night in Aurora. I would shortlist this with some good German FKK's as one of the best experiences (quality of girls, overall atmosphere) in the world.

For those that have enjoyed Aurora, what other places (strip club or brothel) in Moscow or the world you say are just as good or better? [/QUOTE]Penthouse Club. After that it's a bit of a drop in quality to some of the others.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1124584]My Chisinau stripper was happy to leave for a while, for a confortable sleep in my place, the 50 square meters where she lived with her mom, dad (alcoholic) , sister, brother-in-law and nephew. Gloomy.[/QUOTE]Would not compare Moscow and Chisinau)

Well I am already in Moscow now for two weeks and tried some of the websites recommended like intimcity and rosdosug. However as soon as I speak English they hang up. Seems that you need to speak Russian for these sites. Even if they advertise with English speaking they do not speak it.

The girls in HD are still there and nowadays the prics are 12000 Rub for the night. The same girls there already for 5 years and they all have a high milage. Nowadays the girls need to pay 2000 to get into HD and the management does not allow any girl to go below 10000.

I met some nice pros in La Cantina and they asked for 8000-10000 for the night. I guess this is about the minimum you can get as a foreigner who does not speak a word of Russian.

I see some very low prices on some of the websites but was never able to contact them. Some is also incall but it is impossible for a foreigner to find any address in Moscow. Apartments do not have numbers on them and I would never find any address. The only way to get there is to call while you are in the taxi and then let the taxi driver talk to the while driving. I also think it is a bit dangerous to go to a place somewhere alone where no security or something.

Websites like girls-students offer beautiful girls on the photos but the real girls they have are not even close looking to the photos. They ask for about 7000 Rub per hour + taxi. Service from them is good but of course expensive.

Any tips where to get good pros or freebies. Everybody says that Russian girls are easy but I do not think so. In the pubs where foreigners come and some English speaking girls come there are a lot of guys looking for freebies and the girls know it. You are more likely to end up paying all drinks for them and then still go home alone. I Russia it is not more easy then in Europe if you are an ordinary guy in his mid 40's and not rich.

Any Ideas.

Peter

[QUOTE=Ritashk;1125634]Would not compare Moscow and Chisinau)[/QUOTE]Do not judge books by their covers in this part of the world. Be it in Kish or in Moscow. A girl can wear D&G jeans, Louboutin heels and a Prada top (real stuff) and can be very beautiful but will go back every night to her shitty soviet apartment in a nameless commieblock far in the suburbs.

And those who don't live in ugly suburbs but near the center often share a tiny apartment with two or three people. A very small percentage of glam girls have comfortable lives.

[QUOTE=Member #2096;1126437]Russia it is not more easy then in Europe if you are an ordinary guy in his mid 40's and not rich.[/QUOTE]If you are a foreign tourist who doesn't speak Russian, then you're pretty much walking around with a big target on your back.

Try fantasys,

[url]www.fantasys.org.[/url]

They don't speak English any better than the rest, but they won't hang up the phone just because you do. They are located in the center of town, near Pushkinskaya metro. Find the big statue of Pushkin and make your call from there. If business is slow enough, they will send someone out to retrieve you. Service is good and prices are around 4, 000 rubles.

Your only other option would be the FKK clubs in Germany or Vienna.

[QUOTE=Member #2096; 1126437]Well I am already in Moscow now for two weeks and tried some of the websites recommended like intimcity and rosdosug. However as soon as I speak English they hang up. Seems that you need to speak Russian for these sites. Even if they advertise with English speaking they do not speak it.

The girls in HD are still there and nowadays the prics are 12000 Rub for the night. The same girls there already for 5 years and they all have a high milage. Nowadays the girls need to pay 2000 to get into HD and the management does not allow any girl to go below 10000.

I met some nice pros in La Cantina and they asked for 8000-10000 for the night. I guess this is about the minimum you can get as a foreigner who does not speak a word of Russian.

I see some very low prices on some of the websites but was never able to contact them. Some is also incall but it is impossible for a foreigner to find any address in Moscow. Apartments do not have numbers on them and I would never find any address. The only way to get there is to call while you are in the taxi and then let the taxi driver talk to the while driving. I also think it is a bit dangerous to go to a place somewhere alone where no security or something.

Websites like girls-students offer beautiful girls on the photos but the real girls they have are not even close looking to the photos. They ask for about 7000 Rub per hour + taxi. Service from them is good but of course expensive.

Any tips where to get good pros or freebies. Everybody says that Russian girls are easy but I do not think so. In the pubs where foreigners come and some English speaking girls come there are a lot of guys looking for freebies and the girls know it. You are more likely to end up paying all drinks for them and then still go home alone. I Russia it is not more easy then in Europe if you are an ordinary guy in his mid 40's and not rich.

Any Ideas.

Peter[/QUOTE]Try Rusdosug. Ru but dial in English speaking and then to those with verification by previous customers. I recommend Angel. She's sweet and speaks English better than some Americans.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1126872]If you are a foreign tourist who doesn't speak Russian, then you're pretty much walking around with a big target on your back.

Try fantasys,

[url]www.fantasys.org.[/url]

They don't speak English any better than the rest, but they won't hang up the phone just because you do. They are located in the center of town, near Pushkinskaya metro. Find the big statue of Pushkin and make your call from there. If business is slow enough, they will send someone out to retrieve you. Service is good and prices are around 4,000 rubles.

Your only other option would be the FKK clubs in Germany or Vienna.[/QUOTE]What is this fantasys place, I used google translate but I'm a little confused. It doesn't quote prices. You mention 4000 roubles, what is that for? 1 hour or 1 round with one of the girls on the website?

[QUOTE=Stavvrrooss;1129278]What is this fantasys place, I used google translate but I'm a little confused. It doesn't quote prices. You mention 4000 roubles, what is that for? 1 hour or 1 round with one of the girls on the website?[/QUOTE]It's your basic brothel. You walk in, the girls line up, you pays your money and you makes your choice. Just like in Vegas, except the girls in Moscow are much higher quality for a lot less money.

They don't quote prices on the website, but the guys on sextalk report 4, 500 руб. That's for an hour.

[QUOTE=Member #2096; 1126437]Websites like girls-students offer beautiful girls on the photos but the real girls they have are not even close looking to the photos. They ask for about 7000 Rub per hour + taxi. Service from them is good but of course expensive.

Peter[/QUOTE]I was in Moscow about 4 years ago and speak no Russian, and the girls-students site worked fine for me. I saw Anna who I see is still on the website now. She is fully hot but the service was not so great compared to girls I have seen in Toronto (but the price is a bit higher here). She asked for an extra amount for a cab when she arrived which might have been annoying but it was like $10, which made me feel bad for her that she felt she had to ask such a thing. The prices were lower in Moscow then than now, it was 3000 roubles for an hour which was about $100 at the time (so obviously a joke if you have afforded travel to Russia from North America). I stayed at the Savoy hotel, and there was an english-language newspaper in the lobby of hotel called the Moscow Times that had ads for some agencies including this one among others. No girls in the lobby and tight security but for the price you pay the security is on your side, and will let girls in if you tell them to. I also visited the Metropolitan Hotel which was across the street and down a bit and there were girls there in the lobby so you could see them first. They looked good. I was in charge of a young kid at the time though so I did not approach them.

Long time reader. Picked up a lot of great tips in other countries so I thought I'd post a my experience to share. I've been to a few strip clubs which have so many beautiful women but prefer the convenience of outcall. What I've experienced here in moscow is hit or miss and perhaps it's because I'm a lazy bastard and don't want to go out and pick up women so I can't complain too much. I'm realistic on what I'm paying for (ie. Busting a nut, relaxing and try not to catch anything) but try to be a gentleman with all the girls

A few of my experiences.

Exclusivegirls. Org.

Thought I'd give it a whirl and called. Classic bait and switch. . Asked if daniela (based on the site photos) was available the madam said she call me back. Said she was and would be at my hotel in 20-30 minutes. The woman who appeared was nothing like the photo considerably shorter, wider and older but still cute enough. Lesson learned. Stick with rusdosug.

Rusdosug. Com.

Have to say that it's a great site in terms of searching but the age is misleading. Generally what you see is not 100% really what you get. Try adding +3-5 years to the age listed by the provider. Tried this a couple of times the most recent:

Tatyana [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi31662.htm[/url]

Based on the reviews I thought I try it out. First of all she's a bit heavier in person. Great english. Has a tendency to talk over you and double fists whiskey & OJ which I've never seen before. Kind of has f-ed up teeth but I'm in to japanese women so it didn't really turn me off. She's a bit mechanical in her approach but then again it's just sex right? However she's probably given me one of the best BBBJ / CIM that I've ever experienced. If you want a sure thing but not the fake conversation give her a call.

Natasha [url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=9580[/url]

She used to be on rusdosug but can't find her anymore. Came across her in my general searches on this site. She's more like 35+ but the photos are airbrushed which is fine but mad props to her photographer. However she's got a banging body. Very MILF in every positive way. Haven't repeated because she's a bit crazy as in crazy crazy. However she's very aggressive in bed. She was giving me a BBJ on par with Tatyana who was quiet but Natasha talks dirty the whole time talking to my dick as if I wasn't even there. She ordered me into 69 and yelling instructions while slapping my ass then stuck her finger in my hole calling me a dirty boy and was going to teach me to make her come. Was a bit surprised but went with it and have to admit was an intense orgasm. So if you're into a kooky MILF with a hard body with borderline bondage tendancies Natasha's your girl.

If any of you fellow monger-ers have a sure thing in terms of outcall let me know.

[QUOTE=Kurosawa00;1132931]If any of you fellow monger-ers have a sure thing in terms of outcall let me know.[/QUOTE]See my post in Russia Websites on how to search for Outcall.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1132980]See my post in Russia Websites on how to search for Outcall.[/QUOTE]Thanks Stravinsky. I'll try intimcity and see if my lucks changes at all compared to rusdosug

Intimcity and Rusdosug are sister sites, so they are basically the same thing. But Intimcity is linked to the reports on Sextalk, so you're not just guessing, you can have a first-hand report (if one exists).

[QUOTE=Kurosawa00; 1132931]Natasha.

[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=9580[/url]

She used to be on rusdosug but can't find her anymore. [/QUOTE]I see Natasha advertised from time to time on other sites and places like London so she seems to get about.

Read a few reviews of her over the years and she does appear to have a reliable reputation.

VG.

[QUOTE=Kurosawa00; 1132931]Natasha.

[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=9580[/url]

She used to be on rusdosug but can't find her anymore. Came across her in my general searches on this site. She's more like 35+ but the photos are airbrushed which is fine but mad props to her photographer. However she's got a banging body. Very MILF in every positive way. Haven't repeated because she's a bit crazy as in crazy crazy. However she's very aggressive in bed. She was giving me a BBJ on par with Tatyana who was quiet but Natasha talks dirty the whole time talking to my dick as if I wasn't even there. She ordered me into 69 and yelling instructions while slapping my ass then stuck her finger in my hole calling me a dirty boy and was going to teach me to make her come. Was a bit surprised but went with it and have to admit was an intense orgasm. So if you're into a kooky MILF with a hard body with borderline bondage tendancies Natasha's your girl. [/QUOTE]Interesting...

Anastasia on that same site is also your Natasha. Or at least she's using the same pix.

[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=17162[/url]

She also has another site.

[url]http://www.eliteindependent-escort.com/[/url]

And also used to be on sweet-dreams. Ru.

The Anastasia I met is a very classy lady. As you said, the pix she uses are probably 6 or 7 years old, but she still has an excellent figure. And in that time she has acquired a wealth of knowledge about what a boy wants. She is a little eccentric, although I don't remember her having a conversation with my dick, but then again, it's hard to talk with your mouth full. (BIG smile)

Maybe someone already mentioned it on the thread, cannot be bothered to check. Funny novel by A D Miller (from 2004-2007 Moscow correspondent for The Economist) called Snowdrops, about a UK expat lawyer in Moscow in the early 2000's,"city of hedonism, magical hideaways, debauched nightclubs. Etc etc etc" - "featuring characters whose hearts are as icy as the Russian winter", now that sounds familiar ;). It's not Chekhov, but surely fun to read for people who live / lived in Moscow.

Ciao

[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1133507]I see Natasha advertised from time to time on other sites and places like London so she seems to get about.

Read a few reviews of her over the years and she does appear to have a reliable reputation.

VG. [/QUOTE]Yeah, I had a great session with Anastasia / Natasha in Feb. 2008. She would be a bit more than 30, more like 35+. Loves anal, she bought a few of her own toys (including some new ones) and we tried them all out. Recommended.

Cheers,

Anyone been in contact with Skank or 109?

[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1136434]Any Skank ?[/QUOTE]Probably got absorbed by the Vory v Zakone.

Somebody knows what is happening when they block your account?

Is there a way of unblocking?

Shall I make a new one?

IT.

It's the first time it happens me.

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1141024]Somebody knows what is happening when they block your account?

Is there a way of unblocking?

Shall I make a new one?

IT.

It's the first time it happens me. [/QUOTE]Ciao IT, it happens to me about one month ago, that I tried to log in and it wrote wrong password, I got scared cause I was sure my password was correct, the next day everything worked fine again.

Now what you do you mean exactly with they block your account, maybe wait one day and I hope it will be fine again.

I will going to Moscow like tourist in this month and I have 28 years old and my economy is not sufficient, I will stay in the Cosmos Hotel from April 16 to April 19.

I would like to tell me some club for meet girls (not strip clubs) and have sex, independant, pro or semi-pro, etc. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Lukasek; 1141134]Ciao IT, it happens to me about one month ago, that I tried to log in and it wrote wrong password, I got scared cause I was sure my password was correct, the next day everything worked fine again.

Now what you do you mean exactly with they block your account, maybe wait one day and I hope it will be fine again. [/QUOTE]Will see Grazie Luca, otherwise I will backup all my contacts (in the next log in). This is what appears.

Your account has been blocked.

You have violated one of clauses of the Service Agreement. Your profile has been blocked.

If any questions arise, you can refer tosystem support.

Correspondence with the Support Team

Can't understand.

But I still have some weeks to backup my contacts (easy mostly 18-24 in Moscow and Kiev).

IT

IT if it stil does not work, so I guess it could be happened this: did you see there is the option secret agency 007 or something like that, where a normal member offers to help and to find members that go out of rules and scam?

I guess some of these sort of admin have the chance to watch our profiles, it is enough that one of them get jealous for a foreigner having too many girls and you are blocked without reasons at all.

If you did nothing wrong, so why they blocked you? This is the only one explanation I can find out.

If I was you I'd write to system support an email in english and using translator in Russian too, where you explain that surely there was a mistake cause you are many years member, you paid for VIP status and so on and that you are waiting for your profile be unblocked to keep on use their wonderful site. Just a lick-ass mail LOL.

In this way probably it should work.

I cross my fingers.

P. S. I got once a profile blocked cause I contacted, in a Slovak web site, too many girls in too little days and yes we can do a new profile, but it sucks to lost our contacts and all the hours invested to find them, so I understand you well.

[QUOTE=Lukasek; 1141476]IT if it stil does not work, so I guess it could be happened this: did you see there is the option secret agency 007 or something like that, where a normal member offers to help and to find members that go out of rules and scam?

I guess some of these sort of admin have the chance to watch our profiles, it is enough that one of them get jealous for a foreigner having too many girls and you are blocked without reasons at all.

If you did nothing wrong, so why they blocked you? This is the only one explanation I can find out.

If I was you I'd write to system support an email in english and using translator in Russian too, where you explain that surely there was a mistake cause you are many years member, you paid for VIP status and so on and that you are waiting for your profile be unblocked to keep on use their wonderful site. Just a lick-ass mail LOL.

In this way probably it should work.

I cross my fingers.

P. S. I got once a profile blocked cause I contacted, in a Slovak web site, too many girls in too little days and yes we can do a new profile, but it sucks to lost our contacts and all the hours invested to find them, so I understand you well. [/QUOTE]Now it works again, by the way I wrote them in English.

You know nest to a trip to Russia I need to find the best teens for my hobbies (maid, ciffs, anal, etc etc.) it's not so simple so I post 30 gals a day may be it's for that from tomorrow I'll post only 20, found one. Non a beauty, but, seems like Inga in Kiev (you mind?).

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1141624]Now it works again, by the way I wrote them in English.

You know nest to a trip to Russia I need to find the best teens for my hobbies (maid, ciffs, anal, etc etc.) it's not so simple so I post 30 gals a day may be it's for that from tomorrow I'll post only 20, found one. Non a beauty, but, seems like Inga in Kiev (you mind?).

IT[/QUOTE]Happy to hear it works again, have, surely, fun ;)

[QUOTE=Lukasek;1141855]Happy to hear it works again, have, surely, fun ;)[/QUOTE]Ey Luka and IT Travel recommend me clubs in Moscow

I have had read the forum but the information is about strip clubs and tochkas.

[QUOTE=Snoop777; 1141970]Ey Luka and IT Travel recommend me clubs in Moscow

I have had read the forum but the information is about strip clubs and tochkas. [/QUOTE]I can't, I do not know them at all, my last time in Moscow was there just 3 days, couple of beers at HD and then tochka, more than enough for me and staying short time, I neither want to waste time, effort and money to try to date some regular.

[QUOTE=Lukasek;1142135]I can't, I do not know them at all, my last time in Moscow was there just 3 days, couple of beers at HD and then tochka, more than enough for me and staying short time, I neither want to waste time, effort and money to try to date some regular.[/QUOTE]Ok man, I understand you, then tell me, today for today, what do you recommend me, I'm nervious, I don't speak Russian and is my first time in moscow and only for 3 days like you.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Snoop777; 1142291]Ok man, I understand you, then tell me, today for today, what do you recommend me, I'm nervious, I don't speak Russian and is my first time in moscow and only for 3 days like you.

Thanks in advance. [/QUOTE]Relax! Period!

Relax as one going to heaven without the need to die!

Relax cause my first time to Moscow in 2004 my Russian knowledge was almost zero and BTW neither my english was very good LOL.

Just be sure to have in your pocket a english Russian dictionary, just in case and a lot of cash cause I promise you, suddenly when you will get out of airport you will be very hungry of pussy LOL.

Nothing more to say, maybe a piece of paper with written some place they deserve to be seen, for example Aurora911 and so on. Oh yes and once back home, do not disappear but report us!

Have fun. It is almost impossible to not have fun in heaven.

[QUOTE=Lukasek; 1142584]Relax! Period!

Relax as one going to heaven without the need to die!

Relax cause my first time to Moscow in 2004 my Russian knowledge was almost zero and BTW neither my english was very good LOL.

Just be sure to have in your pocket a english Russian dictionary, just in case and a lot of cash cause I promise you, suddenly when you will get out of airport you will be very hungry of pussy LOL.

Nothing more to say, maybe a piece of paper with written some place they deserve to be seen, for example Aurora911 and so on. Oh yes and once back home, do not disappear but report us!

Have fun. It is almost impossible to not have fun in heaven.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Lukasek, I will write my experiences in there, I would like contact girls that offers the service of video / photo, someone know about this? I like very much the photography and I have camera professional.

I'm trying in rusdog for the service that I mentioned but no lucky, some idea?

Will be in Moscow at the end of May for business,

Any tips anyone? Thanks in advance.

Has anyone tried this site?

[url]http://intimafisha.ru/en/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jasiv3; 1143232]Will be in Moscow at the end of May for business,

Any tips anyone? Thanks in advance.

Has anyone tried this site?

[url]http://intimafisha.ru/en/[/url][/QUOTE]Not really, I'm will try

[QUOTE=Jasiv3; 1143232]Has anyone tried this site?

[url]http://intimafisha.ru/en/[/url][/QUOTE]Dolce Vita looks to be a little hit-or-miss, depending on which salon and which girl you pick.

So, be sure to pick the right girl. . .

[url]http://www.sextalk.ru/phsearch.php?phone=4957243583[/url]

I usually have other plans on Sunday nights, but I went to Che last night arriving about 11:30 PM. Not band but the music was a usual great mix of pop-latin dance and Western Dance music.

It was just nicely packed. Still a few available tables. Still a stool or two at the bar and about a dozen folks on the dance floor. It wasn't deserted like Monday night is but nicely populated. Thursday thru Saturday are loaded with amateur stunners (plus a few semi-pros drizzled in for spice) and it's pretty much shoulder to shoulder. But on Sunday night I felt like I could actually dance without getting a cigarette burn or getting stepped on.

What was interesting was the demographic. Although there were a few tables of younger girls (20. 25) the majority of the girls seemed to be late 20's to mid 30's. And there was love in their eyes. Oh and the ratio was favorable. For the first time in a while at Che,"I" felt like target. Make no mistake there might have been a lone 8-9 in the crowd but more like 5-7's. Most of them looked like they were looking for sex. LOTS of eye contact. Not the fleeting glance either. Granted there were a few groups of girls who were dancing together doing the "girl power" thing on a Sunday night, but there were mostly girls alone or in groups of two or three who sat on stools and at tables obviously wanting someone to get them to dance. At first, I thought they were pros but there's no way that the management would let THAT many in. Even on a Sunday.

What is it about Sunday nights and Russian women? Do they want to get "boned" before the start of the work week?

So next time you are odds with what to do on a Sunday night, you might want to think about giving Club Che a whirl.

Jake,

Is Che still pretty strict about facing people at the front door?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1144032]Jake,

Is Che still pretty strict about facing people at the front door? [/QUOTE]On Friday thru Saturday you had best be a "beautiful person" or you are not getting in. Sunday thru Wednesday it looks to me like they relax things a bit. I used to love going there with Pizdyets because he was like a celebrity. The FC guys ALWAYS let us in. Slapping backs and pumping hand like we were long lost brothers. Now, I get a glimmer of recognition and a grudging wave. But I move fast before they change their minds.

As it happens, I met up with Pizdyets last night for beers and, as one might imagine, we ended up a Che at about midnight. To be fair, we did go to RM (Real McCoy) at 11:30. Drank half of one beer each and left because is was pitiful.

Che, by contrast, was great. It was just the right density (Piz's description) and the ratio was favorable. Unlike Sunday night, Thursday night had a MUCH higher talent quality level. Ohhhh yeaaaah. Not PACKED like Friday or Saturday but just nicely full. Didn't take too long to get a drink and you could walk around without getting your drink spilled. Dance floor was full but not packed. Lots of girls who were out after work and by that tie of night they were pickled and looking for get "pickled" (pardon the pun). There was once girl that we we saw swabbing the tonsils of 4 DIFFERENT guys on the dance floor with her tongue. It was hilarious. In the imortal word of Cyndi Lauper."Girls just want to have fun".

Thursday is DEFINITELY the prime night for Che. Everyone visiting Moscow should give it a try.

I have to say, as we are here to help everyone, that my last visit to Che a Thursday night was a disaster. Almost nobody at 1. 00 AM. We stayed 5 minutes and left immediately for Rai, which was overpacked with tons of dievs.

I have seen Che declining over the last 2 years. It is well known that evey guys go there to pick up girls. For instance if I say at work that I go to che (which I did by mistake) first all people will laugh and then girls will all say that it is an awful club.

Just to balance a bit the reports here on that place. But I do agree that SOMETIMES it is still magic.

The best place in Moscow for Friday and Saturday, in my opinion, is ROLLING STONES.

First music is excellent, if you dislike techno and dance, which I do.

Second face control is doable, not like RAI located near.

Third, people are much more easy going and there is a high chance to meet a girl there. Impossible to get a drink without meeting someone.

The outstanding models go to Rai. Where you have almost no chance to score, unless you are a model or Abramovitch.

All girls faced, but still beautiful, end in Rolling Stone.

Without any doubt the best place for me on the last 6 months. Being in the late 30's is not an issue there. It is not a student place.

[QUOTE=Passepartout;1146111]I have to say, as we are here to help everyone, that my last visit to Che a Thursday night was a disaster. Almost nobody at 1. 00 AM. We stayed 5 minutes and left immediately for Rai, which was overpacked with tons of dievs..[/QUOTE]Wow! I NEVER would have guessed. But you are right. We're here to help each other so that's good to know. And your report reminds us that everyone's tastes are different.

Maybe I was just unlucky that Thursday night.

But I think that the ratio male / female has changed a lot on the last year, especially on Saturday night after 1. 00 AM.

This is still a good place, in the center, and free entrance: so we check the place quite often still. And it is located in a walking distance from coyotte ugle and 19. .

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1143915]I usually have other plans on Sunday nights, but I went to Che last night arriving about 11:30 PM. Not band but the music was a usual great mix of pop-latin dance and Western Dance music.

It was just nicely packed. Still a few available tables. Still a stool or two at the bar and about a dozen folks on the dance floor. It wasn't deserted like Monday night is but nicely populated. Thursday thru Saturday are loaded with amateur stunners (plus a few semi-pros drizzled in for spice) and it's pretty much shoulder to shoulder. But on Sunday night I felt like I could actually dance without getting a cigarette burn or getting stepped on.

What was interesting was the demographic. Although there were a few tables of younger girls (20. 25) the majority of the girls seemed to be late 20's to mid 30's. And there was love in their eyes. Oh and the ratio was favorable. For the first time in a while at Che,"I" felt like target. Make no mistake there might have been a lone 8-9 in the crowd but more like 5-7's. Most of them looked like they were looking for sex. LOTS of eye contact. Not the fleeting glance either. Granted there were a few groups of girls who were dancing together doing the "girl power" thing on a Sunday night, but there were mostly girls alone or in groups of two or three who sat on stools and at tables obviously wanting someone to get them to dance. At first, I thought they were pros but there's no way that the management would let THAT many in. Even on a Sunday.

What is it about Sunday nights and Russian women? Do they want to get "boned" before the start of the work week?

So next time you are odds with what to do on a Sunday night, you might want to think about giving Club Che a whirl. [/QUOTE]Hello Jake,

Che is located here? &1041; &1086; &1083; . &1063; &1077; &1088; &1082; &1072; &1089; &1089; &1082; &1080; &1081; &1087; &1077; &1088; .2/10, &1075; &1086; &1088; &1086; &1076; &1052; &1086; &1089; &1082; &1074; &1072; ,

Where would you go Sunday and Monday night? what time is good to enter the place?

Dress code?

Kr. Fernando

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[QUOTE=Fer1942; 1146505]Hello, Jake,

Where would you go Sunday and Monday night? What time is good to enter the place?

Dress code?

Kr. Fernando[/QUOTE]Well, like I said. I found Che to be pretty interesting for a Sunday night. Having said that it was mostly 30+ year olds so if that's not your deal then. Sunday night in Moscow in GENERAL is surprisingly active when you compare it to USA or other Western countries. If you go just about anywhere in Moscow on Sunday night you will like find a decent crowd. The exception of course is the "elite" clubs which are dead on Sunday.

Monday night is tough no matter how you slice it. Some bars have created Student Night on Mondays as away to fill the place. But again, I was talking one of the Moscow regulars the other day who went to Papas Place on a Monday night recently and it was awful. The M:F was about 5:1. I mean 5 guys for every girl. Not cool!

I used to like going to Road House on Sunday nights. Amateur night in this popular R&B club. I was there last Sunday night and the ration was VERY favorable. Lots of girls standing near the dance floor wanting to dance. IMHO, dancing is usually the express lane to sex so take that for what it's worth. And BTW. For those who are unaware, Road House has moved from it's place near m. Sportivnaya to just around the corner from m. Biblotecka Imi Lenina.

Gents: first, thanks for this site and the info provided. I am headed there next week and have spent HOURS trying to prepare. Been all through Intim and Rusdosug, have my favorites saved, etc. In fact, kinda like this one [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi52079.htm[/url]

Any body know her?

I think I would like to try my luck at semi-pros first. I will be there Tuesday night only. Would you recommend the HotDogsBar or any other place like this?

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Lukasek; 1142584]Relax! Period!

Relax as one going to heaven without the need to die!

Nothing more to say, maybe a piece of paper with written some place they deserve to be seen, for example Aurora911 and so on. Oh yes and once back home, do not disappear but report us!

Have fun. It is almost impossible to not have fun in heaven.[/QUOTE]I arrived to my country from Russia, in a few minutes will be my experience.

I went on a tour with my relatives and acquaintances to Russia, visiting museums, castles, churches in the day. In the night I went to mongering. .

Sorry for my english, if you wish this experience in spanish, you tell me.

April 16. Saturday MOSCOW.

Arrival at 22:50 hours and transfer to the COSMOS hotel but ultimately I changed the VEGA Hotel [url]http://hotel-vega.ru/russian/[/url] Because it was better and bigger assigned according to the guidebook.

Arriving I take a looked in the bar and effectively had pros.

Had 5 pro for 5000 rubles, MILF type of rating 6 and 7. I decided wait a bit to see what gave me the city of Moscow. Day lost due to transfer to another hotel and ignorance of the city.

April 17. Sunday. MOSCOW.

I had met a Russian guy over the Internet before my trip to that he recommend me clubs and we go to clubs in Russia, he recommended me these clubs:

[url]http://www.pachamoscow.ru/[/url]

[url]http://www.raiclub.ru/[/url]

[url]http://imperiya-club.dp.ua/[/url]

Obviously trusted him to go, we stayed to watch in my hotel, he came and I gave him a present with a pair of mini tequilas that suit of Mexico as a gift.

But as typical Russian boy, he drinks all right there,

I felt a little bad on him part, then as he saw that I did not drink much, told me to call at night, something that never happened. Day lost for me.

April 18. Monday. MOSCOW.

In my group I meet other Mexicans mongering and I made friends with them, I told them about the 911 club Aurora [url]http://www.911aurora.ru[/url] I had told my friends that was an expensive place and if they wanted that in SP would go to the Magrib to meet girls and take them that cost half the price there, according to what I read in this forum.

Before we get to 911, the staff of there looking our clothing, it was not very appropriate, but they let us go because we were foreigners.

There were about 25 girls on stage, each with a rating of 8, 9 and 10. 12000 rubles an hour, a high price as this forum saying that prices should be around between 3500 and 4500 rubles, I decided to wait but my friend paid 12000 rubles although that I insisted him that not so.

The result was that he spent 12, 000 rubles for an hour no BBBJ.

We returned to the hotel and my other friend that he had not taken any girl in the 911 he decided to go to bar of hotel, he pick up a girl with a rating of 7 to 5000 rubles, and me go to my room for sleep. Day lost for me.

April 19. Tuesday. MOSCOW.

We were too drunk to go out again, the friend who took the MILF, the night ran Izmailovo Complex Gamma-Delta Hotel near Vega and noted that there were other more beautiful girls and pick up one more that night. I decided to wait to pick up in St Peterburgo. Day lost for me.

To be continue.

GO TO THREAD ST PETERSBURGO:

Post around #1480.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?771-Saint-Petersburg&p=1149891&viewfull=1#post1149891[/url]

Most girls in 911 club Aurora are for 12. 000?

Any suggestions for next Sunday 8th? I will be in Moscow!

Fer.

[QUOTE=Snoop777; 1150756]I went on a tour with my relatives and acquaintances to Russia, visiting museums, castles, churches in the day. In the night I went to mongering. .

Sorry for my english, if you wish this experience in spanish, you tell me.

April 16. Saturday MOSCOW.

Arrival at 22:50 hours and transfer to the COSMOS hotel but ultimately I changed the VEGA Hotel.

[url]http://hotel-vega.ru/russian/[/url]

Because it was better and bigger assigned according to the guidebook.

Arriving I take a looked in the bar and effectively had pros.

Had 5 pro for 5000 rubles, MILF type of rating 6 and 7. I decided wait a bit to see what gave me the city of Moscow. Day lost due to transfer to another hotel and ignorance of the city.

April 17. Sunday. MOSCOW.

I had met a Russian guy over the Internet before my trip to that he recommend me clubs and we go to clubs in Russia, he recommended me these clubs:

[url]http://www.pachamoscow.ru/[/url]

[url]http://www.raiclub.ru/[/url]

[url]http://imperiya-club.dp.ua/[/url]

Obviously trusted him to go, we stayed to watch in my hotel, he came and I gave him a present with a pair of mini tequilas that suit of Mexico as a gift.

But as typical Russian boy, he drinks all right there,

I felt a little bad on him part, then as he saw that I did not drink much, told me to call at night, something that never happened. Day lost for me.

April 18. Monday. MOSCOW.

In my group I meet other Mexicans mongering and I made friends with them, I told them about the 911 club Aurora.

[url]http://www.911aurora.ru[/url]

I had told my friends that was an expensive place and if they wanted that in SP would go to the Magrib to meet girls and take them that cost half the price there, according to what I read in this forum.

Before we get to 911, the staff of there looking our clothing, it was not very appropriate, but they let us go because we were foreigners.

There were about 25 girls on stage, each with a rating of 8, 9 and 10. 12000 rubles an hour, a high price as this forum saying that prices should be around between 3500 and 4500 rubles, I decided to wait but my friend paid 12000 rubles although that I insisted him that not so.

The result was that he spent 12, 000 rubles for an hour no BBBJ.

We returned to the hotel and my other friend that he had not taken any girl in the 911 he decided to go to bar of hotel, he pick up a girl with a rating of 7 to 5000 rubles, and me go to my room for sleep. Day lost for me.

April 19. Tuesday. MOSCOW.

We were too drunk to go out again, the friend who took the MILF, the night ran Izmailovo Complex Gamma-Delta Hotel near Vega and noted that there were other more beautiful girls and pick up one more that night. I decided to wait to pick up in St Peterburgo. Day lost for me.

To be continue.

GO TO THREAD ST PETERSBURGO:

Post around #1480.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?771-Saint-Petersburg&p=1149891&viewfull=1#post1149891[/url][/QUOTE]

Hello guys,

Many thanks to the various contributors here, it sure has become a must-read source of information for potential mongers like myself. I've been getting my hopes up, especially after looking at some of the dosug adverts, and I intent to visit Russia (either Moscow or SPB) this month.

However, I'm a bit wary of going there alone since my knowledge of the Russian language is pretty much limited to the words 'njet' and 'glasnost'. Therefore I would like to ask if there are any members who live in those cities and want to meet up with a young Dutchman like me. If you help me find what I want, I'll promise to treat you to an hour with a girl of your choosing. Shared fun is double the fun and all that. Let me know if you are interested either here or through a private message.

Greetings,

Mattias

Hi! Recently I did not come here, now gone because that my girlfriend had made &8203; &8203; her website and she asked me to write about it here. My girlfriend cool! And will be happy to meet with a lovely man! And here's her website.

[url]http://night2011.com/[/url]

Yet it is hard you have language.

[QUOTE=Fer1942; 1151580]Most girls in 911 club Aurora are for 12. 000?

Any suggestions for next Sunday 8th? I will be in Moscow!

Fer.[/QUOTE]Yeah man. 911 it's expensive, good luck! And post your experience in there please!

Greentings.

Hello, all

I am currently on a business trip in Moscow right now

And I live in Holiday Inn Moscow Simonovsky

Anyone know any good places around the hotel?

I found out it's pretty hard to get around in here if you don't speak Russian at all.

English is useless in here.

Thanks in advance

Hello,

I was searching for some proper, reliable escort service agencies or websites that have genuine ads, means WYSIWYG. Based on some research here-and-there, I can almost assume that rusdosug has too many fake pictures. Someone suggested that devochki. Ru is far more reliable although I'm not sure if the girls would speak English as its a Russian website. Is it true?

What is the second choice is dating sites after Mamba for Moscow?

Any info on how to get real status on Mamba? I cannt get the code when I enter the phone number as I don't live in Russia. Also, most websites can be subscribed on monthly or yearly basis but it is very complicated to understand their subscription. Can someone explain it in easy language.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Zinda; 1160949]Any info on how to get real status on Mamba? I cannt get the code when I enter the phone number as I don't live in Russia. Also, most websites can be subscribed on monthly or yearly basis but it is very complicated to understand their subscription. Can someone explain it in easy language.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Previously reported: I used a non-Russian phone and the verification code appeared on my phone about 10 seconds later. Check that you have your international country codes correct. Perhaps try a few close variations (add + sign, maybe). Worked for me.

Hope it works for you.

Yes, MAMBA is worth persevering with, even if you don't live in Russia, or go to Russia often. As there are many Russians living overseas! Hahaha.

Just my experience,

P13

Hi folks,

I will be going to Moscow in July for a week long business trip. I already got a few contacts from Mamba, but I was looking for a GF hotel in Moscow; the kind where if I take in 2 key cards, no questions asked who I bring with me in the evening for "coffee" to the room.

I was looking for a 4* or 5* with the regular chains like Marriot / Starwood / Intercontinental.

Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Jo Malone; 1166402]Hi folks,

I will be going to Moscow in July for a week long business trip. I already got a few contacts from Mamba, but I was looking for a GF hotel in Moscow; the kind where if I take in 2 key cards, no questions asked who I bring with me in the evening for "coffee" to the room.

I was looking for a 4* or 5* with the regular chains like Marriot / Starwood / Intercontinental.

Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]Hilton Leningradskaya.

Sheraton.

Holiday Inn (All of them)

Golden Apple.

Golden Ring.

Radisson.

Ritz Carleton.

In short, pretty much ANY international hotel will not bat an eye. However, that does not mean they will not notice. Be prepared for a phone call from the front desk when your "guest" reaches the lobby after her visit asking if everything is ok. They will "detain" the young lady while they inquire as to your well being. This is for YOUR protection so don't sweat it. Strangely enough the Hilton never seems to call. The Golden Apple ALWAYS calls, and with the Marriott it's hit and miss.

Russian hotels are a little more of a pain but are getting better. Best case is that they ask that you register your guest. Worst case is that they ask you to pay something extra.

If you have the budget, you can avoid the drama by just staying at a Western hotel like the Marriott or Hilton.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1166529]Hilton Leningradskaya.

Sheraton.

Holiday Inn (All of them)

Golden Apple.

Golden Ring.

Radisson.

Ritz Carleton.

In short, pretty much ANY international hotel will not bat an eye. However, that does not mean they will not notice. Be prepared for a phone call from the front desk when your "guest" reaches the lobby after her visit asking if everything is ok. They will "detain" the young lady while they inquire as to your well being. This is for YOUR protection so don't sweat it. Strangely enough the Hilton never seems to call. The Golden Apple ALWAYS calls, and with the Marriott it's hit and miss.

Russian hotels are a little more of a pain but are getting better. Best case is that they ask that you register your guest. Worst case is that they ask you to pay something extra.

If you have the budget, you can avoid the drama by just staying at a Western hotel like the Marriott or Hilton.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads-up Jake.

Actually, I have already stayed 2 times at the Sheraton Palace 3 years ago, and while bringing a lady friend, we were stopped near the elevator, the security gorilla looked at something in his logbook, and then let us proceed to our floor.

The reason why I am asking this question again is that I don't want to leave it on a hit-or-miss chance; since I always book for 2 people but the second guest is not registered I don't want to leave it at the mercy of the security guy.

I read on the forum that Marriot on Tverskaya is completely fuss-free; can you confirm w. Are. T. The above situation?

[QUOTE=Zinda;1160949]Any info on how to get real status on Mamba? I cannt get the code when I enter the phone number as I don't live in Russia. Also, most websites can be subscribed on monthly or yearly basis but it is very complicated to understand their subscription. Can someone explain it in easy language.[/QUOTE]I had trouble with this too.

So I just wrote to their trouble desk / customer service and explained the problem and they adjusted me to Real status manually. I just they figure if you can write and e-mail that is real enough for their purposes.

Are the "verified" photos on rusdosug. Com profiles generally trustworthy?

[QUOTE=Tommeti;1167300]Are the "verified" photos on rusdosug. Com profiles generally trustworthy?[/QUOTE]Why don't you try a few and let us know how it turns out?

I am really into the group sex scene I live in Eastern Europe where the group sex / Swinger club scene is here, but not huge. I have heard the Moscow Swing club scene is fairly good. Having said that, most Swinger Clubs DO NOT allow single men or only on certain nights. Of course on those nights, it's a complete sausage fest.

I have done the London party adult party scene and now I may start dipping my toe in the Warsaw adult party scene with this Le Moulin Rouge Warsaw place that's newly opening [url]www.moulinrougepl.[/url] Com. The cool thing with the German Partytreff or the London adult party scene is value (sometimes) , hot group sex and unlimited climaxes.

Sex with one WG is a bit stale for me I like the environment of group sex. If anyone has any insight into the Moscow swinger scene or unattached men, please post.

How much is the Moscow Swinger scene and is it.

[QUOTE=Jo Malone; 1166746]Thanks for the heads-up Jake.

Actually, I have already stayed 2 times at the Sheraton Palace 3 years ago, and while bringing a lady friend, we were stopped near the elevator, the security gorilla looked at something in his logbook, and then let us proceed to our floor.

The reason why I am asking this question again is that I don't want to leave it on a hit-or-miss chance; since I always book for 2 people but the second guest is not registered I don't want to leave it at the mercy of the security guy.

I read on the forum that Marriot on Tverskaya is completely fuss-free; can you confirm w. Are. T. The above situation? [/QUOTE]Confirmed fuss free.

[QUOTE=Tommeti;1167300]Are the "verified" photos on rusdosug. Com profiles generally trustworthy?[/QUOTE]I have used rusdosug on a few occasions. I look for the independants rather than the salon girls. Experience has generally been good. Take note of the comments on the profiles.

[QUOTE=Wolfie Mike;1168565]I have used rusdosug on a few occasions. I look for the independants rather than the salon girls. Experience has generally been good. Take note of the comments on the profiles.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Not going to happen anytime soon but I'll be sure to post a report.

I will traveling for the first time to Moscow in late August. I have searched several boards but have yet to find a definite listing that clearly spells out "this woman is great this woman is bad, etc, etc" What I have done however is I am using [url]www.escortguide.tv[/url] Many Russian ladies visit Paris and have reviews as to their services and ratings. For me I would rather pay 200 and be guaranteed of a great fuck than to role my dice.

I am open for any advice as I have yet to really read any.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Il Duca; 1171810]I will traveling for the first time to Moscow in late August. I have searched several boards but have yet to find a definite listing that clearly spells out "this woman is great this woman is bad, etc, etc" What I have done however is I am using.

[url]www.escortguide.tv[/url]

Many Russian ladies visit Paris and have reviews as to their services and ratings. For me I would rather pay 200 and be guaranteed of a great fuck than to role my dice.

I am open for any advice as I have yet to really read any.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Try.

[url]www.rusdosug.com[/url]

It's as good as anything but you have to keep in mind that it's often filled with bullshit. Some of these girls self-promote with aliases but generally speaking the info is reasonably good. Of course, it all depends on your particular tastes and the "chemistry" between you and the girl.

If you can read and understand Russian, the "source of all knowledge" regarding sex and working girls is.

[url]www.sextalk.ru.[/url]

It's brutally honest and pretty damned accurate. To the point where members of the forum will berate EACH OTHER for being over critical in their reviews of service providers.

Good luck and enjoy your trip.

Jake

Fellow Mongers,

I will be staying@the Sheraton Palace Moscow in a couple of days.

Any advise on how to get a girl easily onto the 7th Floor (Club Level)?

I know that they opearte an extra reception front desk on that level and the elevator needs a card.

Is this a girl friendly hotel environment for late night?

I hate to pick her up in the lobby or worse outside. .

Raptor

Hello guys,

First of all, I've read the FF and many thanks to all the various contributors here. Thats one of the most valuable sources available in the planet when it comes to mongering.

My plan is to stay in Moscow for 2 nights and my intention is to book Ritz. That will be for business purposes for sure. I think its one of the most GF hotels around so I don't expect any issues with hotel.

I don't speak a word of Russian but English and German. In addition I'm a bit wary of going back and forth alone since I'm not sure about the safety and others things. Therefore, I would like to ask if there are any club choices (besides hotel's roof bar) which is located close to the Ritz, preferably in walking distance.

Your response is highly appreciated.

Cheers,

Arman

Armi,

The area around the Ritz is one of the best in Moscow: in the shadow of the Kremlin and accross the street from the Duma. I have walked around that neighborhood at all hours of the night (and morning) and never had any problem.

If you walk up Tverskaya (away from the Kremlin) , just before you come to Pushinskaya / Chekhovskaya, on the left hand side, is (gulp) Night Flight.

Accross Tverskaya, on Kozitskiy, is Fantasys brothel. Continue on down Kozitskiy, across Bolshshaya Dmitrovka, on Petrovskiy, is Aurora 911. The Marriott is also on Dmitrovka and you might want to try the bar there.

Also, across the street from Night Flight, next to the Eliseevskiy market, there is a cafe (don't remember the name). It tends to be a late night hangout for a lot of people and there is also a chance to meet dyeffki there. But, if you don't speak Russian, it could be problematic.

If you don't want to walk, you can take a taxi to all of these places, but they are so close the taxist will just assume you are a tourista and charge you an outrageous fare.

If you are only there for a couple of days, don't worry, you can sleep on the plane.

Usually I like the petite skinny type (165/47 or so. Even 155 is good)

But some sofie makes me mad. Like thi one. [url]http://flirt.com.ua/nisa06/[/url]

She is avaliable. Somebody already tested (screwed) her?

Admirable boobs!

IT.

PS I'll be in Moscow next week so.

Nice video:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1MBt8upHY_E[/url]

Finding a sober girl in a FSU bar or club is maybe possible, but nonetheless difficult. Not that I am personally looking for. (smilie)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1176412]Armi,

The area around the Ritz is one of the best in Moscow: in the shadow of the Kremlin and accross the street from the Duma. I have walked around that neighborhood at all hours of the night (and morning) and never had any problem.

If you walk up Tverskaya (away from the Kremlin) , just before you come to Pushinskaya / Chekhovskaya, on the left hand side, is (gulp) Night Flight.

Does anyone have a street address for Fantasys Brothel? Or any other brothels, or massage places in that neghborhood?

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1176412]Armi,

The area around the Ritz is one of the best in Moscow: in the shadow of the Kremlin and accross the street from the Duma. I have walked around that neighborhood at all hours of the night (and morning) and never had any problem.

If you walk up Tverskaya (away from the Kremlin) , just before you come to Pushinskaya / Chekhovskaya, on the left hand side, is (gulp) Night Flight.

Accross Tverskaya, on Kozitskiy, is Fantasys brothel. Continue on down Kozitskiy, across Bolshshaya Dmitrovka, on Petrovskiy, is Aurora 911. The Marriott is also on Dmitrovka and you might want to try the bar there.

Also, across the street from Night Flight, next to the Eliseevskiy market, there is a cafe (don't remember the name). It tends to be a late night hangout for a lot of people and there is also a chance to meet dyeffki there. But, if you don't speak Russian, it could be problematic.

If you don't want to walk, you can take a taxi to all of these places, but they are so close the taxist will just assume you are a tourista and charge you an outrageous fare.

If you are only there for a couple of days, don't worry, you can sleep on the plane.[/QUOTE]Thanks bro. Appreciate the info, got what its needed. Will post afterwads.

[QUOTE=Johntodd;1177685]Does anyone have a street address for Fantasys Brothel? Or any other brothels, or massage places in that neghborhood?[/QUOTE]Johntodd,

There is no big red door for Fantasys, where you knock and it opens. You have to be invited in. Your best strategy is to simply walk to the middle of the block and call them on your mobile:

(495) 792-63-80.

(495) 799-46-57.

If you are calling locally, I believe you need to prefix these numbers with an "8". Typically, there should be someone there who speaks enough English for basic communication. If you can get to that point, then they will actually send some one out to fetch you.

Once you're in, it's pretty simple: the girls line up, you pays your money and you makes your choice. Fantasys is a little pricey, it's 4500 руб. / hour, but the girls who work there are all dyed-in-the-wool pros, so you should get your money's worth. If you can communicate what you want.

Planning a guys night out this Saturday. Starting with steaks and then on to Penthouse or Aurora 911 and whatever debauchery may follow.

PM me if interested.

Somebody already tested this little beauty?

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=115711[/url]

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1182842]Somebody already tested this little beauty?

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=115711[/url]

IT[/QUOTE]No, not yet but you can bet that I will try her soon. Thanks IT for your research!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1182915]No, not yet but you can bet that I will try her soon. Thanks IT for your research![/QUOTE]Ah ah ah and when you nailed her please write down something. I'll be in Moscow in September again and I have some good nice jewels to drill one is she.

For your fun I'll put some more so nobody can think I'm pimping. Anyone.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=111117[/url]

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=114977[/url]

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=118874[/url]

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=119229[/url]

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=116061[/url]

May be not beauties, but the real naive next door homegrown I need impled sitting on my best friend (they all do anal).

But the petite (if real) maid dressed is wonderful.

All three holer, resonable priced, and below 25 (why getting older ones???)...

IT.

PS As all knows I love maids.

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1182955]Ah ah ah and when you nailed her please write down something. I'll be in Moscow in September again and I have some good nice jewels to drill one is she.

For your fun I'll put some more so nobody can think I'm pimping. Anyone.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=111117[/url]

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=114977[/url]

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=118874[/url]

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=119229[/url]

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=116061[/url]

May be not beauties, but the real naive next door homegrown I need impled sitting on my best friend (they all do anal).

But the petite (if real) maid dressed is wonderful.

All three holer, resonable priced, and below 25 (why getting older ones?).

IT.

PS As all knows I love maids.[/QUOTE]When can we expect your report from your recent trip, IT?

[QUOTE=Assman888;1182959]When can we expect your report from your recent trip, IT?[/QUOTE]Yep soon in the Anal / Oral section unfortunately no pics.

Valentina got a normal job but 1. 000 € (approx.) a month is not much if you live in Moscow (been at their home they share a small flat in three, her sister, and her cousin, the cousin is the best one, but unfortunatley.) Sop she kept a handfull of customers. Stayed two nghts at my home.

You can imagine that I did not screw her? Anal / Oral only! But she is getting 27 now, so I need a young replacement.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]155333[/ATTACH] The pics is since april...

Tried to get in touch with this one, but she kicked me off (exactly as young, thin, freckled as I like them).

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/tany1386/[/url] (works with love mamba etc)

This one (a beauty) [url]http://flirt.com.ua/qvv/[/url] Asked for 1000 USD 3 hours (crazy)

Another one, simply astonishing, said simply that I had not eough money for her! [url]http://flirt.com.ua/kotik18n/[/url] Beauty seeking for a Russian zillionaire!

IT.

By the way I have a work too dear Assman888, may be if Jackson decide to hire me.

IT some info for you.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=114977[/url]

She's from Ekaterinburg Omsk. Made several porn movies in Russia most know &1041; &1072; &1073; &1091; &1096; &1082; &1080; &1085; &1077; &1057; &1082; &1072; &1079; &1082; &1080; forgot which part.

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/kotik18n/[/url]

Most probably fake photos. The photos look like Russian model Larisa Makarova. She's not very famous but she regulary appears in Russian publications for women.

The type with sewing schemes. I'm not exactly sure but 70% yes. Of course it can be Makarova herself he he. But she's definitely not 18 but close to her mid twenties.

She sould be the third porn star in my bed! One was great the second a disaster! But she (Sonia) is definitely my type, will see. By the way could you post or PM the links (I suppose to the pron movies) or whatever it is in a differnt way?

I can fairly imagine that some pics are fake or that a midel seek a millionaire, even both. 25% of pics on flirt / mamba / etc are fakes IMHO. Or may be sonce 2/5 years ago.

As you now I'm not seeking a goddess but a piglet. And Sonia (the porn star) is defintely what I would like to find in bed when I wake up.

Thanks for the advice, if you have any other. I'll be there in September so I'll give Sonia a try (may be even the little maid.)

IT.

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1183011]IT some info for you.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=114977[/url]

She's from Ekaterinburg Omsk. Made several porn movies in Russia most know &1041; &1072; &1073; &1091; &1096; &1082; &1080; &1085; &1077; &1057; &1082; &1072; &1079; &1082; &1080; forgot which part.

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/kotik18n/[/url]

Most probably fake photos. The photos look like Russian model Larisa Makarova. She's not very famous but she regulary appears in Russian publications for women.

The type with sewing schemes. I'm not exactly sure but 70% yes. Of course it can be Makarova herself he he. But she's definitely not 18 but close to her mid twenties.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1182964]Yep soon in the Anal / Oral section unfortunately no pics.

Valentina got a normal job but 1. 000 € (approx.) a month is not much if you live in Moscow (been at their home they share a small flat in three, her sister, and her cousin, the cousin is the best one, but unfortunatley.) Sop she kept a handfull of customers. Stayed two nghts at my home.

You can imagine that I did not screw her? Anal / Oral only! But she is getting 27 now, so I need a young replacement.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]155333[/ATTACH]

The pics is since April.

Tried to get in touch with this one, but she kicked me off (exactly as young, thin, freckled as I like them).

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/tany1386/[/url]

(works with love mamba etc)

This one (a beauty)

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/qvv/[/url]

Asked for 1000 USD 3 hours (crazy)

Another one, simply astonishing, said simply that I had not eough money for her!

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/kotik18n/[/url]

Beauty seeking for a Russian zillionaire!

IT.

By the way I have a work too dear Assman888, may be if Jackson decide to hire me.[/QUOTE]Why not pics? I was looking forward to some juicy stuff from you.

[QUOTE=Assman888;1183201]Why not pics? I was looking forward to some juicy stuff from you.[/QUOTE]. So NO PICTURES!

IT

Hi guys. I was a reader of forum since months but I've just joined up. I read about 20-30 pages plus some search results and I had very good information. Thank you guys. Neverthless I've also still some questions.

I think I will try the saloons since they won't damage me more than 4500 R. For an hour. The other options look really expensive. The clubs like aurora 911, 19 and pentyhouse is like 10. 000 R. For an hour but I can just go them to see and have fun but not for sex. Also I don't have time to find girls on mamba (I don't know if other choices are useful for internet) So my questions is which saloon is the best do you think? I've also read that they are like sister saloons however I'd like to learn your ideas. Fantasys, erotic-massage. Ru (or something like this) or charmel which one is better? Actually I looked the girls in these saloons but I didn't like most of them. For me there's just 1-2 7's in these saloons so I searched little bit more and find salon Barhat [url]www.salon-barhat.ru/[/url]. Their girls look better on rusdosug etc. What do you think it's worth a try or it can be dangerous? What do you think about the other saloons, I had tried some FKK in Germany and when I compare them with these saloons, clubs etc, FKK's is far away cheaper and has more beautiful girls. However I had to go to Russia and I want to try something in Russia.

Note: I look for some friends for my trip from forum. I will be in moscow from 4 to 11 aug, We can enter this Russian advanture together if you want.

As I return, I will post a report about my trip.

Thanks in advance,

Alta

Don't have any links only the info.

The movie is Babushkine skaski (Grandmother's fairy tales). I know of 6 parts but I don't know in which she was.

I remember the scene she was screwed by two hunters in wooden cabin. The movie is of Russian production by StP company.

This movies were for sale on DVD in Russia but definitely not abroad.

It's know that you like the piglets and for your information if the pictures are fresh she lost weight she was chubbier in the movie.

You can ask her about her porn career but most probably she will deny it.

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1183691]Don't have any links only the info.

The movie is Babushkine skaski (Grandmother's fairy tales). I know of 6 parts but I don't know in which she was.

I remember the scene she was screwed by two hunters in wooden cabin. The movie is of Russian production by StP company.

This movies were for sale on DVD in Russia but definitely not abroad.

It's know that you like the piglets and for your information if the pictures are fresh she lost weight she was chubbier in the movie.

You can ask her about her porn career but most probably she will deny it.[/QUOTE]Many thanks.

If I nail her I'll try to find the movie too in some shop. So I can show a normal foto of me with she. And the movie. They will die. Ah ah ah.

IT

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1183691]The movie is Babushkine skaski (Grandmother's fairy tales). I know of 6 parts but I don't know in which she was.

I remember the scene she was screwed by two hunters in wooden cabin.[/QUOTE]Your knowledge of Russian porn trivia is impressive. {big smile}

[QUOTE=Alta Reclan; 1183629]Actually I looked the girls in these saloons but I didn't like most of them. For me there's just 1-2 7's in these saloons so I searched little bit more and find salon Barhat.

[url]www.salon-barhat.ru[/url]

Their girls look better on rusdosug etc. What do you think it's worth a try or it can be dangerous?[/QUOTE]Alta, I think you are confused. Salon Barhat is a beauty salon. The only services available there are facials and manicures. Of course, it could be the dyeffki there might give you a manicure that will rock your world. Who knows?

[QUOTE]What do you think about the other saloons, I had tried some FKK in Germany and when I compare them with these saloons, clubs etc, FKK's is far away cheaper and has more beautiful girls.[/QUOTE]If German FKK's are what you want, then you should back to Frankfurt.

The more I look the more confused I become. Seems to be a lot of FAKE pictures of ladies that don't really exist.

I will be in Moscow in mid-September and will want to visit with five ladies. I prefer for the ladies to come to my hotel.

Since I do not speak Russian, English speaking ladies would be best for me.

Pricing up to 6000 Rub. Per hour is ok if service is good.

Any advice?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Il Duca; 1184031]The more I look the more confused I become. Seems to be a lot of FAKE pictures of ladies that don't really exist.

I will be in Moscow in mid-September and will want to visit with five ladies. I prefer for the ladies to come to my hotel.

Since I do not speak Russian, English speaking ladies would be best for me.

Pricing up to 6000 Rub. Per hour is ok if service is good.

Any advice?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Il Duca. Stop looking so much. Go to.

[url]www.rusdosug.com[/url]

And find an English speaker.

[QUOTE=Il Duca; 1184031]The more I look the more confused I become. Seems to be a lot of FAKE pictures of ladies that don't really exist.

I will be in Moscow in mid-September and will want to visit with five ladies. I prefer for the ladies to come to my hotel.

Since I do not speak Russian, English speaking ladies would be best for me.

Pricing up to 6000 Rub. Per hour is ok if service is good.

Any advice?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

6000 is too much in my opinion, you still find good girls in the area of 10-14k / night so half for an hour.

You can also go in
www.intimcity.nl (it's on Moscow despite .nl) and on
http://www.play-girls.ru/

You will find a significant quote of girls on the three internet adv pages. ad far as I understand they are the most popular.

IT

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1184004]Alta, I think you are confused. Salon Barhat is a beauty salon. The only services available there are facials and manicures. Of course, it could be the dyeffki there might give you a manicure that will rock your world. Who knows?

If German FKK's are what you want, then you should back to Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your answer. Hehe you're right. Actually I had asked to take a manicure seance. Actually I mean this salloon barhat

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=403&tmplang=1[/url]

And also I think to go to hotel cosmos a find a girl there. The reviews on the booking sites say that there are many. Here it says 6000R for an hour maybe I can bargain and make it 5000 R if I really find a stunnnig girl. To stay there is about 100$. What do you think about the idea?

In addition it's my second day in moscow and the score is zero LOL. Find me if you're in Moscow.

Just want to say thanks for any and all advice on finding hot ladies in Moscow.

I agree that spending 6000 RUB. Might be to much but for some exceptional ass I would go that price.

I see lots of ads and have just looked at [url]www.play-girl.ru[/url] But how can we really be sure. I have read more post about fakes and getting ripped offed.

Than post about great experiences.

Incalls to hotels vs. Salons or going to a girls apartment?

I have been at this for some 20 years so I am not new to the sport but nearly everything I have read about Moscow has me concerned a bit.

Any additional advice and insight is very welcomed.

The closet hotel to where I am going to working is The Renaissance at Dinamo Station.

Anybody know if this hotel has an active lobby bar?

[QUOTE=Il Duca; 1184971]The closet hotel to where I am going to working is The Renaissance at Dinamo Station.

Anybody know if this hotel has an active lobby bar?[/QUOTE]No idea at all, maybe yes. But Lobby Bar girls tend to be dirty expencive. Just mind it.

IT

[QUOTE=Assman888;1183201]Why not pics? I was looking forward to some juicy stuff from you.[/QUOTE]Dear Assman,

My last post for a while (I'm goig to holiday) will soon be on Anal Conoisseur. Some links and some pics about my favourite Moscow girl.

IT.

Nice holidays and happy hunting for all!

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1185169]Dear Assman,

My last post for a while (I'm goig to holiday) will soon be on Anal Conoisseur. Some links and some pics about my favourite Moscow girl.

IT.

Nice holidays and happy hunting for all![/QUOTE]Dear It Travel:

As a newbie to the site, I would appreciate a list of your recommendations. What say you?

Il Duca

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1185163]No idea at all, maybe yes. But Lobby Bar girls tend to be dirty expencive. Just mind it.

IT[/QUOTE]Never saw anybody there. The bar is not more expensive than in other hotels. Desserts cost almost the same as in supermarket, but they only look beautiful.

[QUOTE=Il Duca; 1185194]Dear It Travel:

As a newbie to the site, I would appreciate a list of your recommendations. What say you?

Il Duca[/QUOTE]A pity that you do not have any PM, otherwise I'll write you in Italian.

But the business is the same everywhere. Helena was speaking about the desserts, I was speaking about the girls. Usually the gils in Hotel Lobbys tend to be more expencive. Try the sites we advised to you. By the way do you really mind if a girl speaks eneglish or not?

Thre are a lot of good girls waiting, try to learn some basic words. Numbers and your hotel name / room number. Should not be so difficult.

What shall I say more?

Take some time and read carefully these pages, Russian Sites, and General Rules.

On www.rusdosug.com there are 30 pages of girls speaking at least basic English... so...

I really do not understand the problem...

IT


Happy Hunting.

PS I did a general search on rusdosug... girls doing outcalls to hotel, english speakers, doing anal sex too, below 30 y.o. got 15 pages so...

I'm not pimping by the way you find this lady
http://www.rusdosug.com/indi.php?service=2&id=61911
who have been for months in the tops of top 100 girls at intimcity.nl
http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=102235&style=2

But you can find more beautiful ones... but I do not know your tastes nor in what you are interested...

http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=71145 another english speaker on intimcity where you do not have and option to select girls in a language group

Or you could give a try to this little beauty... try to phone her...
http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=115711&style=2

just my two cents...
IT

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1185464]A pity that you do not have any PM, otherwise I'll write you in Italian.

But the business is the same everywhere. Helena was speaking about the desserts, I was speaking about the girls. Usually the gils in Hotel Lobbys tend to be more expencive. Try the sites we advised to you. By the way do you really mind if a girl speaks eneglish or not?

Thre are a lot of good girls waiting, try to learn some basic words. Numbers and your hotel name / room number. Should not be so difficult.

What shall I say more?

Take some time and read carefully these pages, Russian Sites, and General Rules.

On [url]www.rusdosug.com[/url] There are 30 pages of girls speaking at least basic English. So.

I really do not understand the problem.

IT.

Happy Hunting.

PS I did a general search on rusdosug. Girls doing outcalls to hotel, english speakers, doing anal sex too, below 30 whyear old got 15 pages so.

I'm not pimping by the way you find this lady.

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi.php?service=2&id=61911[/url]

Who have been for months in the tops of top 100 girls at intimcity. Nl.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=102235&style=2[/url]

But you can find more beautiful ones. But I do not know your tastes nor in what you are interested.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=71145[/url] Another english speaker on intimcity where you do not have and option to select girls in a language group.

Or you could give a try to this little beauty. Try to phone her.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=115711&style=2[/url]

Just my two cents.

IT[/QUOTE]Hi IT,

Thanks for the advice again. Within 24 hours I will have PM status. Feel free to write me in Italian.

As for my taste, I like a lady / girl who is into oral, receiving and giving. Anal is a plus but not a must. Prefer 18. 24 but with sex appeal. Prefer her to come to me and prefer longer meetings. Natural bodies are better.

Advise appreciated.

Went to new to me Babylon strip club since it's near to my dearest Aurora 911.

Very near to Tverskaya / Pushkinskaya / Checkhovskaya metro.

Nice selection (quantity and quality) of girls. I would say they are a quite bit more aggressive (good for some, turn off for me) than at 911 and the strip show isn't nearly as good. On the upside the menu does have full take home service. Also they were more full figured (not at all fat) than the rather petite girls at 911.

12k for an hour of in house sex. 15k for four hour take home.

Babylon.

Strasnoi Boulevard 8A.

+7 495 989-21-98

Hi!

You remember I'm talking about Marina, my daughter wrote to the familiar? She called me yesterday and told me that a month left Moscow. In general, she is sorry if it someone wrote, and she could not answer. We do not yet have internet everywhere. But! The eighteenth of August, she returned to Moscow! And will be glad to brighten up the evening, guests of our capital bored. Detailed information on its website. [url]http://night2011.com/[/url].

First time to Russia, staying in Moscow. Was confused by the phone system and ended up with contacts that spoke no English, and I don't speak a word of Russian. Ended up calling an agency from an ad in the Moscow Times after checking out their website.

[url]http://www.escort-elitegirls.ru/[/url]

And was happy that they picked up the phone speaking English. I had Masha come visit at Marriott Moscow Grand (no hassles.). She did show up in about 20 minutes which was great, considering Moscow traffic. I was also surprised that she actually looked like the girl in the picture on the website. I had assumed that the photos were all fake because they are so professional-looking. She's very cute, better and younger looking than the photos where she is wearing a lot of makeup. I would say she is a 9, probably 20 years old or so. I had asked for a nonsmoker, and she was smoke free. Price on the phone was $200USD, and she asked for another $100 when she got there, saying the price was $300USD. I wasn't going to pay that but didn't want her to leave, so I gave her another $50USD for an hour, so $250USD total. Had to pay up front and was worried that it was going to be bad service, but took the risk. I would say it was worth it; the best looking woman I've ever been with, but more than I usually pay. Started with showering each other, which was nice, and her English was fluent which was a plus. She has light tan flawless skin and a small hummingbird tattoo on the base of her neck. She did CBJ, and several positions, was playful and willing to try different things. Liked that she was rubbing her clit and her face was flushed during sex. Not GFE / kissing, but it was very pleasant, and she at least seemed to be enjoying herself. Wanted to watch her so we had sex in front of the room mirror for a while. It was a great finish, not hurried, and I was happy. She got on the phone with her manager, then said that the manager needed to talk with me. That happened to me once when visiting the Philippines, and there they tried to hassle me for more money, but the manager from the agency just wanted me to comment on how Masha did and how satisfied I was with the experience, which was cool. Recommended.

I stayed in Moscow for 3 days and didn't have sex. The prices starts from 4000-4500 in saloons for not so-beautiful girls which was expensive for me and I don't have the time to look girls in sites like mamba before arriving. Rusdosug and intimacy looked little bit risky although I could note some girls from these sites (They were also 4000+ for an hour and I wasn't sure if they come to hotel or it can be a problem or not) The Russian site called sextalk looked very useful and I can suggest you to look there if you really want to monger in Moscow. Don't care about the Russian language try the translation programs. However neither the girls nor the prices attracted me in moscow So I decided to move to Saint Petersburg and I got some experience from there. You can read it on saint petersburg thread. I also found Moscow really expensive which was also the case for the girls and never thought going on strip clubs thanks to ISG Moscow thread in which you can find reports telling the really expensive prices like +8000-9000 R. per hour.

[QUOTE=JonesHo44; 1187684]First time to Russia, staying in Moscow. Was confused by the phone system and ended up with contacts that spoke no English, and I don't speak a word of Russian. Ended up calling an agency from an ad in the Moscow Times after checking out their website.

[url]http://www.escort-elitegirls.ru/[/url]

And was happy that they picked up the phone speaking English. I had Masha come visit at Marriott Moscow Grand (no hassles.). She did show up in about 20 minutes which was great, considering Moscow traffic. I was also surprised that she actually looked like the girl in the picture on the website. I had assumed that the photos were all fake because they are so professional-looking. She's very cute, better and younger looking than the photos where she is wearing a lot of makeup. I would say she is a 9, probably 20 years old or so. I had asked for a nonsmoker, and she was smoke free. Price on the phone was $200USD, and she asked for another $100 when she got there, saying the price was $300USD. I wasn't going to pay that but didn't want her to leave, so I gave her another $50USD for an hour, so $250USD total. Had to pay up front and was worried that it was going to be bad service, but took the risk. I would say it was worth it; the best looking woman I've ever been with, but more than I usually pay. Started with showering each other, which was nice, and her English was fluent which was a plus. She has light tan flawless skin and a small hummingbird tattoo on the base of her neck. She did CBJ, and several positions, was playful and willing to try different things. Liked that she was rubbing her clit and her face was flushed during sex. Not GFE / kissing, but it was very pleasant, and she at least seemed to be enjoying herself. Wanted to watch her so we had sex in front of the room mirror for a while. It was a great finish, not hurried, and I was happy. She got on the phone with her manager, then said that the manager needed to talk with me. That happened to me once when visiting the Philippines, and there they tried to hassle me for more money, but the manager from the agency just wanted me to comment on how Masha did and how satisfied I was with the experience, which was cool. Recommended.[/QUOTE]Jonsey,

Thanks for a positive report. It's been a while since we're heard from a satisfied customer. Nice to know that it's not all scam after scam.

I have never tried a girl from Escort Elite but it's good to hear that there's a little honesty in advertising once in a while.

Nice touch with them asking for your satisfaction.

Will be sure to send my visiting colleagues to this web site.

Thanks again.

Jake

[QUOTE=JonesHo44; 1187684][url]http://www.escort-elitegirls.ru/[/url]

I would say she is...Probably 20 years old or so.[/QUOTE]Actually, her setcard says she is 16 years old.

Very young for escorting I would have thought, even by Rooski standards.

Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Ritashk; 1187284]Hi!

You remember I'm talking about Marina, my daughter wrote to the familiar? She called me yesterday and told me that a month left Moscow. In general, she is sorry if it someone wrote, and she could not answer. We do not yet have internet everywhere. But! The eighteenth of August, she returned to Moscow! And will be glad to brighten up the evening, guests of our capital bored. Detailed information on its website.

[url]http://night2011.com/[/url][/QUOTE]I wrote your lady, Marina and have received no response. Just wondering.

[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1187858]Actually, her setcard says she is 16 years old.

Very young for escorting I would have thought, even by Rooski standards.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I hadn't read that; I guess I figured that everything on the site was as made up as the pictures seemed to be. If she's 16, looks a lot older than her age in person.

I am really happy for you because you got the girl you have choosen. I think the agency is a scam. Girls are too good to be true. I know a couple of them working for other agencies in other countries. For example;

Check Helen (17 years old). She is the same girl; [url]http://www.escortnews.eu/en/escort/INNESKA-90415.html[/url]

I have been searching for her for a long time, but never found her.

[QUOTE=JonesHo44; 1187684]First time to Russia, staying in Moscow. Was confused by the phone system and ended up with contacts that spoke no English, and I don't speak a word of Russian. Ended up calling an agency from an ad in the Moscow Times after checking out their website.

[url]http://www.escort-elitegirls.ru/[/url]

And was happy that they picked up the phone speaking English. I had Masha come visit at Marriott Moscow Grand (no hassles.). She did show up in about 20 minutes which was great, considering Moscow traffic. I was also surprised that she actually looked like the girl in the picture on the website. I had assumed that the photos were all fake because they are so professional-looking. She's very cute, better and younger looking than the photos where she is wearing a lot of makeup. I would say she is a 9, probably 20 years old or so. I had asked for a nonsmoker, and she was smoke free. Price on the phone was $200USD, and she asked for another $100 when she got there, saying the price was $300USD. I wasn't going to pay that but didn't want her to leave, so I gave her another $50USD for an hour, so $250USD total. Had to pay up front and was worried that it was going to be bad service, but took the risk. I would say it was worth it; the best looking woman I've ever been with, but more than I usually pay. Started with showering each other, which was nice, and her English was fluent which was a plus. She has light tan flawless skin and a small hummingbird tattoo on the base of her neck. She did CBJ, and several positions, was playful and willing to try different things. Liked that she was rubbing her clit and her face was flushed during sex. Not GFE / kissing, but it was very pleasant, and she at least seemed to be enjoying herself. Wanted to watch her so we had sex in front of the room mirror for a while. It was a great finish, not hurried, and I was happy. She got on the phone with her manager, then said that the manager needed to talk with me. That happened to me once when visiting the Philippines, and there they tried to hassle me for more money, but the manager from the agency just wanted me to comment on how Masha did and how satisfied I was with the experience, which was cool. Recommended.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Il Duca;1187995]I wrote your lady, Marina and have received no response. Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Marina is my girlfriend. And this is her personal site, this is not an agency, so she could not answer when she left. Sorry, I badly speak in English. Now she is back and I hope to respond to everyone who wrote to her.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1187778]Thanks for a positive report. It's been a while since we're heard from a satisfied customer. Nice to know that it's not all scam after scam.

I have never tried a girl from Escort Elite but it's good to hear that there's a little honesty in advertising once in a while.

Will be sure to send my visiting colleagues to this web site.[/QUOTE]Jake,

Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age, but I am not convinced.

We have a report from a newbie, with a total of 4 reports. 3 of them (including his post on Moscow) are touting internet escort sites, and all of them were made on the same day.

A search for the phone number of escort-elitegirls. Ru on sextalk returns no results, which, I suppose, is not all that surprising, since this site obviously caters to foreign touristas.

Could be he just got lucky, or he could have another agenda. In any event, I would wait for some other confirmation before I would steer my good buds in the direction of this site.

[QUOTE=Alta Reclan;1187777]I stayed in Moscow for 3 days and didn't have sex. The prices starts from 4000-4500 in saloons for not so-beautiful girls which was expensive for me and I don't have the time to look girls in sites like mamba before arriving.[/QUOTE]At today's exchange rate. 4500 руб is about 150 USD.

And you think this is expensive?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1188647]At today's exchange rate. 4500 &1088; &1091; &1073; is about 150 USD.

And you think this is expensive?[/QUOTE]Yes Stravinsky I think this is expensive. Actually it can be normal for Moscow but for me it's expensive because even their girls in the internet sites (photoshopped, sometimes fake, ages etc. Not true) don't attract me a lot (except rare of them) and these prices for them is overpriced for me. You can find girls as sexy as Moscow, sometimes sexier than Moscow in Saint Petersburg with the prices 2000-2500 R. So This is the half you can see. Also I'm not the expert of EE girls but the girls in Moscow are the most expensive ones I think. Moscow is an expensive city as I said before and it's the same for girls.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1188640]Jake,

Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age, but I am not convinced.

We have a report from a newbie, with a total of 4 reports. 3 of them (including his post on Moscow) are touting internet escort sites, and all of them were made on the same day.

A search for the phone number of escort-elitegirls. Ru on sextalk returns no results, which, I suppose, is not all that surprising, since this site obviously caters to foreign touristas.

Could be he just got lucky, or he could have another agenda. In any event, I would wait for some other confirmation before I would steer my good buds in the direction of this site.[/QUOTE]MAYBE getting cynical in your old age? .

Come on Strav. You know darn well you are a cynic.

But yeah, you are probably right. Seems like a plant. No offense to the poster.

But I have to confess that since I moved here full time I don't visit those sites much anymore.

It's funny how once you have time to invest in this city, the more you find that it's a "treasure chest" of local amateurs looking for sex. New bars are opening up every week and it doesn't take more than a few weeks until they fill up with cute chick who are stalking men. I was at Strelka Bar with some colleagues the other night and got "chatted up" by English speaking girls every time I went to the bar to get a drink. And these were NOT skanks. They were all clean and scrubbed, well dressed babes. Not at all what I'm used to. Ha, ha.

I heard a funny one the other day. A Moscow girl friend of mine (with whom I am not have sex anymore. But still sorta friends) who just returned from a vacation in Greece. She complained about the Greek men always hitting on her relentlessly and said that "the the Greek men were always HUNGRY for sex just like our Russian girls." The comment took me aback a little and I realized that she was right. On the whole the country is full of women who are HUNGRY for sex. That doesn't mean that they will fuck anything that moves but it tells me that this native Russian woman confirms suspicions that these girls are predisposed to wanting sex and not getting enough of it. I love this city.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1188866]But I have to confess that since I moved here full time I don't visit those sites much anymore.

It's funny how once you have time to invest in this city, the more you find that it's a "treasure chest" of local amateurs looking for sex. New bars are opening up every week and it doesn't take more than a few weeks until they fill up with cute chick who are stalking men. I was at Strelka Bar with some colleagues the other night and got "chatted up" by English speaking girls every time I went to the bar to get a drink. And these were NOT skanks. They were all clean and scrubbed, well dressed babes. Not at all what I'm used to. Ha, ha.

I heard a funny one the other day. A Moscow girl friend of mine (with whom I am not have sex anymore. But still sorta friends) who just returned from a vacation in Greece. She complained about the Greek men always hitting on her relentlessly and said that "the the Greek men were always HUNGRY for sex just like our Russian girls." The comment took me aback a little and I realized that she was right. On the whole the country is full of women who are HUNGRY for sex. That doesn't mean that they will fuck anything that moves but it tells me that this native Russian woman confirms suspicions that these girls are predisposed to wanting sex and not getting enough of it. I love this city.[/QUOTE]Great post Jake. This is the most telling proof of the fact that there are available women ranging from cute to very hot literally everywhere in FSU. Freebies. Sure, many are taken or "off limits" for most mongers. But there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands who are very available and looking for companionship, sex and fun.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1188866]Come on Strav. You know darn well you are a cynic.[/QUOTE]I resemble that remark (nyuk, nyuk, nyuk).

I'm not a cynic, Jake, just a realist. Thanks for the update on the nightclub / freebie scene. We don't get enough of those from you.

I guess you're just too busy chatting up the dyeffki (sigh).

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1188995]I guess you're just too busy chatting up the dyeffki (sigh).[/QUOTE]You have no idea. I now understand why guys drop off the radar screen in Moscow after a while. Keeping up with girlfriends is almost a full time job! Who the hell has time to report!

Hello, all,

I am calling for rescue!

I will be staying in Moscow. Tverskoy this week until Friday. I know 911-Aurora but I am looking for something more intimate such as a Salon or a nice WG. I don't want to spend more than 150 USD for one hour.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Sam

[QUOTE=Sam Suffit; 1189911]Hello, all,

I am calling for rescue!

I will be staying in Moscow. Tverskoy this week until Friday. I know 911-Aurora but I am looking for something more intimate such as a Salon or a nice WG. I don't want to spend more than 150 USD for one hour.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Sam[/QUOTE]Give this a try if you are still here.

[url]http://www.fantasys.org/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1190517]Give this a try if you are still here.

[url]http://www.fantasys.org/[/url][/QUOTE]Thank you very much Jake. I got your lead too late (my fault, I should have posted my request earlier) but I am due to come back in a couple of week so I will defenitely give a try: I checked the site; looks fantastic. Have you been there? Are the ladies like on the pictures? What is the price range?

Sheers.

Sam

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1188640]Jake,

Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age, but I am not convinced.

We have a report from a newbie, with a total of 4 reports. 3 of them (including his post on Moscow) are touting internet escort sites, and all of them were made on the same day.[/QUOTE]Been lurking for a couple of years, but just registered- appreciate that the more seasoned members are of course more trusted.

More to come!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1189231]You have no idea. I now understand why guys drop off the radar screen in Moscow after a while. Keeping up with girlfriends is almost a full time job! Who the hell has time to report![/QUOTE]Honestly, I don't know how you guys living locally manage to juggle with more than two or three GFs (real GFs, not fuck-buddies). For me, Russian women are simply too clever, cunning, emotional and genuinely passionate to be efficiently played with. Well, maybe I'm getting old though. (smilie)

Hi guys,

I will be in Moscow tomorrow until Sunday. Well spoken english only. No Russian. Moreover even I had organised everything for Moscow. I am still indecisive about being in Moscow or St. Petersburg. I have read a guy's very unfortunate adventure in GOTIKA and happy with my first decision. Actually after several discussions I am a bit nervous and decided to find a buddy in my trip who knows the city better than me. I am a Turkish and can help anyone in Istanbul when I come back. My style is going to night clubs or strip clubs and waste time there and get a girl to my hotel even with higher price. I will stay in Petrovski Loft which locationed in city center. Taking escorts and making long time searches on [url]www.rousdog.com[/url] Is not my style.

Hi, I'm the end of September in Moscow. Find like-minded people to book girls for a threesome orgy in my apartment. We can start the tour in the hot dogs bar.

[QUOTE=Raptor 09; 1175440]Fellow Mongers,

I will be [email]staying@the[/email] Sheraton Palace Moscow in a couple of days.

Any advise on how to get a girl easily onto the 7th Floor (Club Level)?

I know that they opearte an extra reception front desk on that level and the elevator needs a card.

Is this a girl friendly hotel environment for late night?

I hate to pick her up in the lobby or worse outside. .

Raptor[/QUOTE]Just to answer my own question:

Perfect Hotel. No problem at all to bring in a girl late night.

Actually reception will call you that "A guest has arrived".

My answer: Just send her up to my room.

No problem. Great service. .

Now I try the Radisson Beloruskaya. I will keep you posted.

Raptor

I am new to this forum and have been in Russia for about 2 weeks now. Of course I am working in a remote part of Russia and have not had time to meet any ladies. But I will be back in Moscow in about 2 weeks and have already lined up 2 for a full day of fun. I will post and let everyone know how it goes and with whom I was with.

Thanks in advance for the welcome.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1191957]For me, Russian women are simply too clever, cunning, emotional and genuinely passionate to be efficiently played with.[/QUOTE]Prosal,

Well, that's your problem right there. You think that [i]you're[/i] Playing with [i]them[/i]! (big smile and a wink)

[QUOTE=ILoveRussia69;1192375]Thanks in advance for the welcome.[/QUOTE]ILR,

добро пожаловать (welcome) ISG Moscow. We look forward to your report.

Hi guys, I am in moscow since Wednesday. I hope I will write a detailed report for every day when I get back to home. But immediately I would like to tell you that I didn't like Aurora 911 at most. My favourite is Golden Girls. The manager didn't allow me to sit on seats. Even I had offered extra 1000 p. Entrance fee she had refused. And last night I give a try to Golden Girls. Entrance fee is 3000 p. But two private dance included and guess what they gave me the best place in the club with no further questioning. Moreover in my opinion there a many 9-10 and 8 there. It was an amazing night. I will give details on Sunday. Ciao.

Hi guys, I am in moscow since Wednesday. I hope I will write a detailed report for every day when I get back to home. But immediately I would like to tell you that I didn't like Aurora 911 at most. My favourite is Golden Girls. In aurora the manager didn't allow me to sit on seats. Even I had offered extra 1000 p. She had refused. They make me seat on an uncomfortable chair in the bar or the small red seats which are on the edge of stage. (Sitting on chair is very uncomfortable and I think sitting on this red seats is worse because girls can't come and give you a dance for a little tip if you are on seats. Or betterly most of them can not or they are trying to do but not so comfortable. People who have been there will understand me. And last night I give a try to Golden Girls. Entrance fee is 3000 p. But two private dance included and guess what they gave me the best place in the club with no further questioning. Moreover in my opinion there a many 9-10 and 8 there. It was an amazing night. I will give details on Sunday.

Anyone advice something to find a way to sit on leather seats. I would prefer Aurora because it s very close to my hotel. By the way I stay in Petrovska Loft and it s girl friendly. You can find details on hotel internet site.

Ciao.

P. S. Jackson I couldn't find how to delete my old message or correct it so I post a new one you can delete the old one.

Thanks in advance.

I had also tried club fantasy but couldn't find the address and no answer to my calls. Strange thing their website still active [url]www.fantasys.org[/url]

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1192998]But immediately I would like to tell you that I didn't like Aurora 911 at most. My favourite is Golden Girls. In aurora the manager didn't allow me to sit on seats. Even I had offered extra 1000 p. She had refused. They make me seat on an uncomfortable chair in the bar or the small red seats which are on the edge of stage. (Sitting on chair is very uncomfortable and I think sitting on this red seats is worse because girls can't come and give you a dance for a little tip if you are on seats. Or betterly most of them can not or they are trying to do but not so comfortable. People who have been there will understand me. And last night I give a try to Golden Girls. Entrance fee is 3000 p. But two private dance included and guess what they gave me the best place in the club with no further questioning. Moreover in my opinion there a many 9-10 and 8 there. It was an amazing night. I will give details on Sunday.

Anyone advice something to find a way to sit on leather seats. I would prefer Aurora because it s very close to my hotel. By the way I stay in Petrovska Loft and it s girl friendly. You can find details on hotel internet site.[/QUOTE]Iceberg, you are right that the Aurora 911 got a strange "divan" politic. I hate this as well, and finally this is why I didn't go there for more than a year. But I love the ambiance, girls, and classy atmosphere there.

Paying 3 000 rur for entrance fees is a rip off, whatever you will find after, and in despite of the 2 private lap dance.

Another choice is the "19" club, but I rather find it on the down side since few months, girls not so nice, and also I have a former girlfriend workign there, that jump on me each time I go, and the last thing I want to do is to see her, when I am in a mood to see and touch dozen a different breasts.

In my opinion, the moscow strip club scene needs a new comer in the game.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1193087]I had also tried club fantasy but couldn't find the address and no answer to my calls. Strange thing their website still active.

[url]www.fantasys.org[/url][/QUOTE]Same situation.

Fantasys does not reply to phone calls.

Try charmel. Same kind of website. Shares some of the girls.

Address is in front of the Wella Persona salon

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1192998]Hi guys, I am in moscow since Wednesday. I hope I will write a detailed report for every day when I get back to home. But immediately I would like to tell you that I didn't like Aurora 911 at most. My favourite is Golden Girls. In aurora the manager didn't allow me to sit on seats. Even I had offered extra 1000 p. She had refused. They make me seat on an uncomfortable chair in the bar or the small red seats which are on the edge of stage. (Sitting on chair is very uncomfortable and I think sitting on this red seats is worse because girls can't come and give you a dance for a little tip if you are on seats. Or betterly most of them can not or they are trying to do but not so comfortable. People who have been there will understand me. And last night I give a try to Golden Girls. Entrance fee is 3000 p. But two private dance included and guess what they gave me the best place in the club with no further questioning. Moreover in my opinion there a many 9-10 and 8 there. It was an amazing night. I will give details on Sunday.

Anyone advice something to find a way to sit on leather seats. I would prefer Aurora because it s very close to my hotel. By the way I stay in Petrovska Loft and it s girl friendly. You can find details on hotel internet site.

Ciao.

P. S. Jackson I couldn't find how to delete my old message or correct it so I post a new one you can delete the old one.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]3000 p. Is very expensive for entrance. You can get a girl for an hour for 2000P. In Saint Petersburg and it's still possible to find girls between 5000-6000 in hotels like Hotel Cosmos in Moscow.

[QUOTE=Passepartout; 1193726]Iceberg, you are right that the Aurora 911 got a strange "divan" politic. I hate this as well, and finally this is why I didn't go there for more than a year. But I love the ambiance, girls, and classy atmosphere there.

Paying 3 000 rur for entrance fees is a rip off, whatever you will find after, and in despite of the 2 private lap dance.

Another choice is the "19" club, but I rather find it on the down side since few months, girls not so nice, and also I have a former girlfriend workign there, that jump on me each time I go, and the last thing I want to do is to see her, when I am in a mood to see and touch dozen a different breasts.

In my opinion, the moscow strip club scene needs a new comer in the game.[/QUOTE]All of the Clubs that belong to that group (Korston 911, Aurora 911, Penthouse Club) prefer a reservation. Depending on the night you MIGHT get a table (divan seat) without a reservation but they seem to value your having called ahead. I complained a couple of years ago at Aurora 911 and they told me that all I had to do was make a reservation. I asked the hotel concierge to make me a reservation at the Aurora 911 Club and "boom" all was solved. I know it sorta kills the spontaneity of the event but hey, it works.

BTW. I used to date a dancer from Aurora and she told them that they have a manager who is English speaking and it's his job to deal with non-Russians and to make sure they are having a good time. Might be worth seeking out this gentleman on your next trip.

Hi everyone. I had been 4 nights in moscow between 31. 08-04. 09. 2011. Here is my report;

1st Day.

I had found the hotel in 4 hours. Get a simcard as soon as possible when you arrive in moscow. MTS doesn't require antyhing. Just pay and use. By the way they couldn't fix my 3G Mobile internet connection problem. Anyway).

First thing must be known about moscow is to find addresses is a real problem even for locals. Nearly everyone using Navigation. Moreover some locals don't know where is the some very famous streets. So my advice is always to have the phone number, a location map and open address written in Russian of the place you go.

After a short rest in the hotel I moved to Aurora 911 (I had written my time in A. 911 on my previous posts so I skip this part. After A911 I go to the nightflight prices are still so high and then I moved to Hot Dog. I had agreed a girl named Dasha for 11000 rubles. We had arrived to my hotel after a hard drive with her car. (No cost for taxi-She had learned to drive just three days ago)

She is I guess between 30-35 Blonde. White skin. Nice GFE. DFK. BBBJ. I guess she would accept to have sex without condom if I asked.

I was happy for the first night.

2nd night.

I move to Golden Girls. I had also written this in my previous posts. No need to give further details. Just a point: although their very strict sitting plan policy AURORA is much better because you can fuck the girl if you really want to. I think it s a good option because you really have a pain on your heart when you just watch this beauties. In Golden Girl only P. D is available. For comparing P. D situation in there I must say that when you want to go to a private dance with a girl she says `wait for the promotion`. (Two songs for 1500 ruble). After GG I went to Che Guevera. I don't even remember how I entered. Nice choices of girls but also many males / I guess M / F ratio was 6-7/5. Moreover I was the shortest guy. I had no attraction so I moved to Hot Dog again and I really bargain on prices hard. Finally at 3 am a mid 30 hot lady accepted my 1500 ruble+300 USD offer. Again GFE DFK but no BBBJ. I think she was cool and nice. (She wasnt happy with the hotel. Maybe I should prefer the girl who is 25 why. O and offered 300 USD. She just seemed silly to me.)

3rd night.

This night after spending around 1000 USD to pro s and the entrance fee drinks etc. I really decided to pick up a girl from Che or other place for my limited budget. I had asked the waiters in the restaurant that I have dinner for the cool places in the city other than Che. They advised me The Real Mccoy and some other place. I went to Real MCCOY showed them my turkish passport and they make me in around 1 am. Quality is worse than Che at all but this time I am not the shortest guy there. I had make some attempts and took some strict no's and some smiles. Finally I decide to be in the center of stage. Band was left 30 mins ago but still playing music and people were dancing. Suddenly a fat blonde pull my shirt and put my hand to her friend s hand who looks not bad. She was a 6. Both were drunk. We already start to dance in a hot way but she was strange. At one moment she was running away of me and one moment coming and taking me to his side. Several times she said I am not a One night Girl. After a few time she stepped on my food while we were dancing and told me this thing " I didn't have a bf since 3 years so I am sorrry because don't know how to behave" I told no problem. In the bed she told me she had sex 7 months ago last time. Her name is Svetlana. After some several attempts to kiss her and to hug, she again run away and I decided to try other options which looks better than her. I had pointed my self to the 195 cm blonde Xena, dancing on the floor alone (My poor baby) In my first attemp she ran away. Second time while she was dancing near her table with her friends I again approached and guess what; She hugs me and put my head on her cheast. I had to plant on my heels to do that. And then she turns back try to rub my cock with her ass but no way. Finally she refuses and I insist and she asks for 3 long island for her and friends. On the way to bar my cock gets soft and my brain starts to work. I shouldn't do that! After five minutes I approach her again (I am that brave because everyone there is drunk.) No problem for her side but the f. Fat friend pushes me and says `go away` (I hate that fat close friends. F. All of them) Finally I forget her and a nice ukranian with a bikini top and jeans spots me and give me a good smile. I ask her for a drink. She asks two also for her friend. I go and buy because I am an idiot. After taking the drink she moves to other side of the bar and kisses all guards and waitresses there and starts to talk to them. No interaction with me. Finally I decide to take the drink and run away. At least I would save one of my 425 ruble. I take the drink and move. Suddenly guard keep my arm and tells that s not my drink I tell him I paid for this. Girl came and ask did I buy this for her or not. I say no. Guard goes away and girl says ok. (F. Stupid *****). After all happenings I started to think I don't have a chance except Svetlana. I spot her on a corner. She is very drunk. I start to search for her friend, found her but this time Svetlana gets lost. Anyway we three all meet on their table after 15 mins. She hugs me. Put her leg on my cock. Obviously she wants sex. Tells me that I am hot. I asked to go my hotel. She refuses. After a few drinks I take her and she asks the the key for her coat and bag from her fat friend. She is also very drunk. (This is is the strangest and funniest part of the story). She looks in her bag but no. She starts to search her wallet but can't find. Svetlana try to help her for searching the wallet but she gets very angry. 3 of us can't find the the key. She again tries to help her but she hits svetlana several times. I try to stop her but she also hits me very strongly. (She was a boxer or what! Sheet!) I decide to ask guard for help because I wouldn't be in trouble in Russia. Security smiles me stupidly as nothing happening, I pull his hand and bring him to near table. He misunderstands and warns other guy. I try to tell him. In all this circumstance I take Svetlana and take her to dresssing room. She gave a 500 ruble to wradrobe guy and I put another 500 ruble. No problem she gets her coat and bag. I see the security hugs the aggressive friend and makes her out. (F. You. You deserve this fat friend!) I spot a taxi and get Svetlana the taxi ask her to go home or come with me in to my hotel and drink some coffee. She replies "ok just coffee." We arrive in hotel. She is better now. We fuck till morning and sleep together. I am happy because I save a 300 USD.

4rth Night.

After positive attention from GG I decided to check Penthouse on new arbat street. It s the only one allowed to have this name outside of USA. Total disappointment. Girls quality worse than GG even not comparable with AURORA. Girls look bored and clumsy. Moreover they don't alllow me to sit on seats even they are empty like in AURORA. I drink one beer and decide to give a second chance for A911. I get myself there by taxi, enter the club and staff was more friendly this time. They put me to the red chairs. Strangely I don't know why I am in a bad mood and I must be on an unlucky night and I am nervous. I sit the chair and I saw a guy looks like fat Abromowitch sitting just next to me there. He has two girls next to him and all dancing girls go for dancing to him and skip me, pass to seats or the other line of red chairs located oppositely. I got nothing in one hour. A little detail I got a viagra because 5 times f. In 3 days since Wednesday and I must score tonight. My plan is to have some fun in strip clubs and head to Che and give there a second chance. It was my last night and it's comparable cheap to GG and Penthouse. I decide to take a P. D. From a dancer. I go with her. Nothing special. And just after her. My favourite dancer comes and asks me for a private dance. Her name is Olga. 185 cms. Long black hair, white skin, Green eyes. After a nice session (Just one song. I don't know there is promotion or not in there like in the GG) she came to my chair and we chat. Half jewish Russian Monica Bellucci asks for a sex in the room and cost is 12000 p. I say no because I had 5 times sex in 3 days. She is being surprised and looks interested and I tell her that I get a viagra. She says that she is very curious about it and insists to go. I decide to give her my 12000 p. She takes 8000 and goes. After she left I check my pocket and see that I only have 2500 p. When she came back I tell her kindly that I only have 2000. She disappoints, looks again surprised and ask for a minute. Go to the hall and come back and says Ok. No problem. 2000 ruble is ok. I tell her can we cancel it because I will make a transportation to Airport tomorrow and must pay the bill for drinks with this money (Yes you are right I change my mind after she leave with my 8000 p.) She says "ok but I must ask for this."She gets and come back and tell me that she is trying to find the manager and 4th time she come back and tell me that maybe 5000 p. Return is possible. I am being very nervous she goes again. Finally a guy looks like definitely a manager comes in and talk to waitresses checking everything. I stand up, aproach him and tell him the situation and he says very kindly "No problem sir I will talk to her." He is a real gentleman by the way. After 5 mins Olga cames and pay back my 8000 p. I am feeling very bad. (I believe she would pay back all my money again if I didn't tell the manager.) Tell her that I am sorry for this situation. For all this intance two more dancers come and dance for me. (Good way of getting attention huh!) Surprisingly she sits and talk to me a few minutes. She is not uppsetted for all this things. I feel like shit and leave the club to find a 6 in Che for free and planning to close my eyes and dream Olga while 6 give me a BJ.

While I head to exit door I am a little bit drunk (I got 5 beers in two hours) and really have a strong pain on my heart. Still not sure to do it or not. She was the most beatiful girl I have seen in my entire life. (I had a 100 USD in a secret part of my Wallet). My head is blowing up and guess what; I lost the key for my coat. I search all my pocket my bag and every thing but no. I am going crazy because I don't want to pay 1000 p. For a fucking key like in MCCOY. Get back to club look my chair but nothing there. Finally I go back to exit door and pay the 300 p. They give me my coat and leave there. No problem.

I take myself by a taxi to Che. Bodguards don't take me inside and a dozen of people can't enter like me. Some people are allowed because they are friends of bodyguards or look better than us. I offer guard 1000 p. But he refuses.

I hardly convince myself not to loose time with these idiots and try Road House, take a taxi go to B. Lenina Metro and after 30 minutes search I am feeling exhausted, angry and depressed. No way to find the place. Even I put the exact block remark on my map.

Sadly I decide to go to my lucky place Real Mccoy. Take a non-official taxi, give him the address paper that I give the taxi driver last night who found the place in 15 minutes. He is a 20-25 why. Old naive villager. After an hour he simply can't find the place and I leave the car very angrily without paying anything to him. I walk by the street and I feel like I will hit something. A smart looking non-official taxi driver in a ford focus stops me and ask where to go. I ask him he knows RAI. He says yes and we go to the place. There is a traffic jam in front of the club and he drops me off 200 metres away. (saddest part of the story starts) When I headed to club beneath the cars I realise that my hip pack is open and my wallet simply isn't there. I stop the taxi already left, look at the car seat but no. I am about to start crying. Thanks god 8000 p. Was in my pocket that I take back from Olga so want to give a try to RAI which is full of super models. When I arrive the entrance I see that maybe 100 person waiting to enter and argue with guards. After this last affair I give up and before I get in real trouble I decide to go my hotel and masturbate. Because they are on my way to hotel I pop in to Che, ask the guards my wallet, then go to A911, search the red chair but no. It's lost with my driving license, credit cards and other thing inside it. At 5 o clock in the morning I was in the hotel and sooth myself by dreaming Olga with the Viagra in my blood.

Lessons learned;

1) If you really want to fuck a girl just do it or your inner child will blow you up in another way.

2) don't use a hip pack when you are outside for the night because you will probably be drunk and forget someting somewhere or forget to close it or someone softly open it and take your wallet. Decrease the number of goods you carry and use your pockets (I am still not sure that I drop it or someone steal it because a few times I forgot to close it and my goods nearly fall down.)

3) Do not try to enter a popular night club like Che or RAI on Saturday, after midnight in Moscow because it's simply impossible. You will just make yourself disappointed.

Special Notes on Transportation and Accomodation.

1) Why you guys live in moscow don't make a transportation fact sheet like that [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1094425&viewfull=1#post1094425[/url]

2) Why noone told me they have smt like that [url]http://www.aeroexpress.ru/en/[/url] For airport transportation. I lost a very important 1, 5 hours to go Belarouskaya metro.

3) Why Jackson doesn't open a thread like this also for moscow [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/url] (this is a request)

4) About Petrovka Loft Hotel.

It's girlfriendly. No guest fee.

On 4th floor. No elevator.

They have a receptionist look like Cate Blanche, always wearing mini skirts and low-cut dresses (I guess other receptionist who looks like Brad Pitt f. Her because he was sitting with a towel one night I arrive. Anyway. This is another issue.)

You don't have a toilet or shower in the room. 3 shower and 3 toilet in the same floor for 10 rooms. I never had to wait.

It's very hard to f&305; nd the location.

10 mins walk to metro. 5 mins walking to A911 and 10 mins walk to Night Flight.

11000 Rubles for a double room for four nights.

Staff is really friendly and kind.

Rooms are small.

If you don't make a reservation before 1 or 2 months maybe you have to stay a room just oposite to reception like me and say Hello, to receptionist while you are going to shower nakedly or stay in a room without a window.)

6) Always use the non-official taxis because they are cheaper. Ask 200 ruble for each time if not so long way. (Just shake hands to cheap looking cars. Most of them are non-official taxi.)

7) Metro doesn't work after 01:00 am. Use the taxi in the night and use the metro in daytime if not weekend. Going somewehere by car is strictly impossible because of traffic in day time.

8) To be able to read Kyril Alphabet is a must.

Unforgettables:

On my first five minutes in AURORA a half ukranian 9 comes and gives me a DFK and ask for sex in her room because she really wants me.

22 why. O 8 sits with me in Golden Girls more than one hour without drinking anything and shows me upper parts of her legs in School Teacher uniform every five minutes.

Perfect English speaker local Sandra Bullock tells me that I must try her orgasmic private dance in G. G.

Nice smile on Dasha's face when I remove my cock and put her hand on it in her old Suzuki on Petrovksa Street. (She had already learned to drive for 3 days and that s why she stops the car in every 100 metres)

Professionally working lips of mid 30 Sharon Stone from Hot Dog on my cock while she gave me a BJ.

P. S.

Par Zial, Thanks for the updated info.

Passepartout, we all have special reasons to go somewhere or not to go and I understand yours.

Jake I will keep all this information for the next trip. Thanks for the advices.

By the way I am back in town. You guys just p. M me if you come to Istanbul.

Ciao

Mr. Iceberg, this is the most entertaining post I have ever read on this forum. I truly felt your highs and lows as I read.

I too was there one year ago but did not have your spirit.

To the credit of Turkish men, they can do things in nightclubs that most men can not. (TIP!. Befriend Turks in nightclubs. You can piggyback off them and get lots of tail!)

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1193955]By the way I am back in town. You guys just p. M me if you come to Istanbul.

Ciao[/QUOTE]Iceberg,

That is truly a great report. Right from the heart. I just abut pissed myself reading it. Except for the part about losing my wallet, every one of this things has happened to me in Moscow at one point or another. But not all in one week! Molodyets! You really know how to pack it all in. Sorry that your experience was not total satisfaction but hey, that's Moscow. Please be sure to let us know when you are passing back through.

BTW. Interesting experience with Fantasys. It tells me that they were full up. While they don't strictly take reservations, they will tell you,"we are busy, call in 30 minutes", or "call in an hour". Once they have guys stacked up for more than an hour, they just stop answering the phone. You must have just had bad luck.

Thanks for an entertaining post!

Jake

Played again in the NightFlight golf tournament. Superb breakfast at the club, bus out to MGCC, plenty of beer and vodka and a great round of golf with a collection of crazy guys. Later dinner and party in the club. Girls not allowed in until 23:00 on this evening. When they do come in they are always rather surprised when most of the guys prefer to continue to talk about their golf game and not pay attention to them!

Whilst discussing my game, I observed some of the girls. The normal selection of rather 'over the hill' professionals but also a selection of younger interesting chicks. Watched as one player pulled 2 nice chicks, shame as I rather fancied one of them. Saw them leave together then about one hour later the chicks were back!

One quite attractive girl took my attention, invited her for a drink and decided that this would be my bed warmer for the night. However still had several golf stories to run past my friends. Anyway, N agrees to Euro. 300 after a very short negotiation. I tell her to wait and we will leave later. No problem, when all the golf stories were over we left together.

She turned out to be an extremely horny chick, probably just a 6-7 but a real GFE with everything that I wanted (or could manage!)

Next morning spoke to a rather corpulent colleague and he related his experience is a very beautiful but skinny blond. He said that she was one of the best that he has ever had for $.350.

So there is hope in NightFlight, you just have to take your time and choose the right one. I have had many disappointments over the last years but at these prices and quality it can still be highly recommended.

You all guys thanks for all your support and kind words. I feel better even can think about the good nights in moscow. This morning someone from Moscow Turkish Embrassy called my office and told me that someone brought my wallet there. They will send it to me.

One hundred percent I will give another chance to this wild and funny city.

P. S; I hope the place which makes wonderful pancakes with cherry, on red square still open next year. I like to eat my pancake while watching Kremlin.

Take care.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1194241]You all guys thanks for all your support and kind words. I feel better even can think about the good nights in moscow. This morning someone from Moscow Turkish Embrassy called my office and told me that someone brought my wallet there. They will send it to me.

One hundred percent I will give another chance to this wild and funny city.

P. S; I hope the place which makes wonderful pancakes with cherry, on red square still open next year. I like to eat my pancake while watching Kremlin.

Take care.[/QUOTE]Ice Man. You are one lucky guy! Moscow is changing for sure. 5 years ago you would have NEVER seen that wallet again.

Hey Doc.

Check your Pm if you are still around.

Guido88

just wanted to say that my buddy and i had a great time at aurora 911 tonight. last time i was there, it was a weekend night. while more crowded, the atmosphere was good on wednesday night as well.

look, i've mongered in around 25 countries and i subscribe to the idea that strip clubs are, by and large, exploitive of the male. however, i think aurora is a darn good time and worth the money you spend there.

monetary issues:

entrance 1, 0ob00r, $35.

beer 330r, $12.

spontaneous lap dances: free plus 100-200r tip, $3. 50-$7. 00.

5-minute lap dances: 1, 000r, $35.

sex: $1, 200r, $400.

obviously, i think it's insane to have sex with a girl for $400. however, if one were to get a little liquored-up, go the club and have 2 beers over 4 hours, have 5 lap-dance samples, and one "real" lap dance, the price tag would be around $115. given the atmosphere and the entertainment value / time, well worth it. for those on a tighter budget, entry. 1 beer, and 2 spontaneous dances would cost less than $60.

the girls are fun and, most, very beautiful.

last time, i resisted all the private dances and simply went to get a "massage" afterwards for $40-50. easiest session the therapist every had, i bet!

in a climate of rip-offs, it was nice doing business at aurora. you pre-pay to get in and prices are posted everywhere for drinks. very fun.

ft

Visiting Moscow next week, would appreciate any recommendations.

Can the pics / info on RusDosug be believed?

[QUOTE=Hari Seldon; 1195177]Visiting Moscow next week, would appreciate any recommendations.

Can the pics / info on RusDosug be believed?[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, the photos on Rusdosug are FAIRLY accurate. What I find is that they DO tend to be a bit dated, but fairly accurate.

[QUOTE=Full Throttle; 1194975]Just wanted to say that my buddy and I had a great time at Aurora 911 tonight. Last time I was there, it was a weekend night. While more crowded, the atmosphere was good on Wednesday night as well.

Look, I've mongered in around 25 countries and I subscribe to the idea that strip clubs are, by and large, exploitive of the male. However, I think Aurora is a darn good time and worth the money you spend there.

Obviously, I think it's insane to have sex with a girl for $400.[/QUOTE]FT,

I'm with you. For the casual tourist in Moscow, Aurora 911 is an excellent value for the money you spend. If you look at the true cost of getting laid in Moscow, the cost at Aurora is no more than the cost to pick up a "freebie". The only difference is, at the end of the evening, sex is guaranteed. All you have to do is pay.

I'm not sure I necessarily subscribe to the idea that strip clubs are exploitive of the male. It can be true, to a certain extent, depending on the club, the country, the culture and, of course, the male. But if places like Aurora exploit the male, then all I can say is please . . . Exploit me! (smile)

Hi. A friend of mine is planning a likely 'once in a lifetime' trip to Moscow next month. His company is sending him there on a week-long trip for business. He tells me that there is probably a zero chance he would ever return, so he wishes to make the most of it. With that in mind, he is looking to arrange a few meetings with the hottest escorts he can find. Whether they are independent, or agency girls, or club girls. All he wants is to find the high-end girls. He does not want to overpay, just pay market rates for the model-type escorts. Not looking to sponsor, just looking to spend a night or two with a '10. '

With this in mind, where can I point him? Which clubs, agency's, website have this type of escort girl? Please advise. Thanks!

- Chill

Good day every one. I will be in Moscow later this week. I notice that Eva Models has an Elite Escort section with photos of stunning females. [url]http://www.eva-escort.ru[/url] Do any of you have any experience with Eva Models? Are they real or is this a switch-scam? I'd appreciate any intel you can share.

Thank you in advance,

J

Hi all. I am looking into new ideas for a mixed germany / other location holiday. I am trying to put together a list of ALL the strip clubs that offer in house sex in moscow. After reading the forum this is what I came up with;

1) Chou chou.

2) Aurora 911 of all three club locations?

3) Violete.

4) Bordo.

5) Babylone.

6) Safari lodge-I am not sure if they do could someone please confirm.

7) If there are any strip clubs offering on site sex that I have missed could someone please fill me in.

I understand the charge is about 8000 varying up to 15000 for 1 hour.

Could someone finally let me know that once the cover charge and 1 drink have been bought that you are not obliged to buy further drinks / dances especially if you at some point take a girl for one hour in the rooms?

Yes I confirm for Bordo and Aurora.

Once you get in and have your drink (not an obligation even) , the girls will come for lapdance, you have to give 200-300 rur. Then she will leave. But if you are interested then you start the negotiations and just go to the room with her for the sum agreed.

Accepting or not lap dance is up to you.

So in short no other costs, even if for me, the fun is in touching several breasts and having a beer or two will doing that.

Aurora 911 is less expensive for sex in my experience.

I am considering a trip taking into it german fkk clubs and the wonderful moscow which I have never been to yet. My main drive is for tourism in Moscow but I would also like to try the high end strip clubs. In particular aurora 911 and penthouse. I have heard about.

Face control in Russian clubs. I myself am a young looking 36 year old, well dressed, groomed. My parents are from egypt so I have a middle eastern / mediterranean look. Given this info is it likely that I would face problems getting into Penthouse and Aurora 911?

Is it common to see men of my description in these clubs? Thanks for all replies mohab also I only speak english.

Mohab,

Face control is very unusual for strip clubs. Typically, they welcome everyone, as long as you are presentable and not falling-down drunk. And have money to spend, of course. The kind of face control you are talking about is only a concern at the high end civilian clubs (not part of the mongering world).

Most strip clubs offer sex-on-premises in some form. But, be aware that not all the girls you see may be available for sex: some may be just there to dance. Typically, every club will have a "Crazy Menu", which lists what is offered at the club and what are the prices. But that will usually be in Russian.

Even if the club does not offer sex-on-premises, just about every club will allow a girl to be "excused", so she can go out with you: for a fee of course.

The wonderful thing about strip clubs in Moscow is that just about anything is possible. So, if you see something that you like, don't be afraid to ask. All they can do is say,"No". But you will be surprised how many time they will say,"Yes".

I notice that websites such as RusDog refer to the girls' rates in US Dollars; do the girls expect payment in US Dollars or merely the Rouble equivalent?

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=JohnTraveler; 1199296]I notice that websites such as RusDog refer to the girls' rates in US Dollars; do the girls expect payment in US Dollars or merely the Rouble equivalent?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]They will be happy to accept either. The rate quoted in USD is for your convenience.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1199469]They will be happy to accept either. The rate quoted in USD is for your convenience.[/QUOTE]Jake, thank you.

Hi guys,

I will fly to Moscow in November, which will be my 3rd trip to Moscow. However during the first two trips I tried to meet some woman, but it does not work. I have had contact to some girls, which I have found on mamba. Ru, but unfortunately they did not show up. Usually I have good experiences with mamba, when I am going to Kiev.

So has anyone a good recommendation for a woman, who will come to my hotel?

Thanks in advance,

Johnnyb

[QUOTE=Johnnybcgn; 1199874]Hi guys,

I will fly to Moscow in November, which will be my 3rd trip to Moscow. However during the first two trips I tried to meet some woman, but it does not work. I have had contact to some girls, which I have found on mamba. Ru, but unfortunately they did not show up. Usually I have good experiences with mamba, when I am going to Kiev.

So has anyone a good recommendation for a woman, who will come to my hotel?

Thanks in advance,

Johnnyb[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if it's in your price range, but you might try Olga's Angels. They've been discussed in this forum before and shouldn't be too hard to turn up in a search.

Happy Hunting,
EM

I spent about an hour at Night Flight last night. 22 September. There was a good mix of a number of overall 9s to 6es. One tall brunette, Svetlana, latched on to me for quite pleasant conversation. She said she was 32 years old. I thought she was mid-20s. She is stunning and IMHO a 8. 5. She wanted $500 for the night (from 00:30 to 8:00). I resisted, and after enjoying a glass of shampagne with her, left. She did not want to negotiate down, and said all the girls charged $500. Has any of you had similar experience re rates?

[QUOTE=JohnTraveler;1200015]I spent about an hour at Night Flight last night. 22 September. There was a good mix of a number of overall 9s to 6es. One tall brunette, Svetlana, latched on to me for quite pleasant conversation. She said she was 32 years old. I thought she was mid-20s. She is stunning and IMHO a 8. 5. She wanted $500 for the night (from 00:30 to 8:00). I resisted, and after enjoying a glass of shampagne with her, left. She did not want to negotiate down, and said all the girls charged $500. Has any of you had similar experience re rates?[/QUOTE]The lady dragons in that place are just too expensive and too experienced for my taste.

JT,

500 is about right, depending on the night and the time and her mood and what other prospects she thinks she might have. But, are you sure she said Dollars? That's a favorite trick of the NF girls: when the time comes to pay up, all of a sudden they want Euros. So, before you leave the club, make absolutely certain what the currency is.

Another trick is to promise you all night and then, as soon as you come, she goes. Never give her the money up front. Make it clear that you will pay her in the morning, when she leaves. If she doesn't agree to that, let her walk.

It is possible to successfully negotiate a deal with the dyeffki at NF, but it's a little like making a deal with the devil, or maybe negotiating a new contract with the Teamsters. There are so many other easier and more enjoyable ways to get laid in Moscow, why bother?

I was asked this morning at 6. 00 AM outside the HotDog when I was just walking if I wanted sex, for 300 USD. The girl. A 8 IMHO blond, nice face. Told me the club just close the doors and she was looking for a customer.

I was far too drunk so didn't start to negotiate but I am wondering how much she woukd have accepted for a quick shot?

[QUOTE=Passepartout;1200540]I was far too drunk so didn't start to negotiate but I am wondering how much she woukd have accepted for a quick shot?[/QUOTE]Ppt,

At 06:00? 300 USD (smile)

What is more important is, what was it like [i]inside[/i] HD all night?

And how is it you left the club at 06:00 by yourself?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[quote=climaxnow;1200043]the lady dragons in that place are just too expensive and too experienced for my taste.[/quote]i totally agree, it's a lot of time i do not get to nf. at that time the rate was 300 usd / night, so 500 usd / night is today credible, but with the same amount (or less) you can get a naive, homegrown teenager.

the stunners at nf are often not so "energetic" in sex as you wish, freebies ar by far better specially if they do not look like a tennis player!

naive, energetic, teens are around 200/400 usd day, less if thay can't sleep overnight (parents you know.).

by the way do not be worried if they seems young (if they are 18 it's ok) russian girls are by far more sexually trained than others.

these of course are in a higher price ranking, and are seeking for young not too ugly customers. looking at their ":3" album is worse than taking a whole box of viagra!

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/mb681788454/[/url] [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] styled piglets. in moscow. (mamba for moscow based.)

of course i'm for the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], home grown, next door style girls. and usally in a place like nf or others there is no such things.

a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] style one photographed in the once a time heaven hotel intourist. just 19 i remember and very very willing.

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just my two cents.

it

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1200673]Ppt,

At 06:00? 300 USD (smile)

What is more important is, what was it like [i]inside[/i] HD all night?

And how is it you left the club at 06:00 by yourself?

Inquiring minds want to know.[/QUOTE]I live near HD (the next street) and the taxi drove me home after an excellent party in Suchi Rumba (I recommend the place, excellent ratio male female a Saturday night) where I met a 21 year old brunette who was wonderful.

So the taxi drop me ont he sadovoe not far from where I live and I was just in front of these 2 girls who proposed to me their services straight.

As I said, less drunk I would have probably tried to negotiate for a Quick shot; I went to buy some food and 5 minutes later I saw the 2 girls leaving the place with their driver.

They were just trying a last desesperate offer. One was very nice, the other one quite old, I would not even pay 3 000 rubles for her.

I may be wrong here, but very little has been written about the saunas in Moscow. In fact, I can't remember anything being written in ANY of the FSU forums. I had the pleasure of partaking in a Moscow sauna last week and I thought I would share my experience.

There are literally hundreds of saunas in Moscow. Maybe even thousands. As the word implies, at the heart of the experience is a sauna and shower. But many if these little gems usually have a bar, karaoke machine, perhaps a pool table, dart board. Some will even have a plunge pool and even a swimming pool for your enjoyment. And of course – there are usually at least one or two private "relaxing" rooms that have a bed in each.

These private saunas should not be confused with the more public 'banya' which is a time honored tradition in Russia. I am sure that someone out there can probably enlighten us as to the technical difference between 'banya' and 'sauna' but I will leave that to someone more worldly than me.

The particular sauna my colleagues and I visited was in central Moscow and had a nice (but small) changing area where you strip off your clothes and put on either a bath robe or towel (bed sheet) depending on your preference and of course the obligatory 'tappochki' (slippers). Once changed you can go for a shower or a sauna. Or perhaps a bit of pool or darts. Normally drinks are served soon after arrival and perhaps food is ordered. In our case, we brought our own whiskey because alcohol at these saunas is served at restaurant prices and can get expensive.

Of course, after about 45 minutes of eating and drinking the first group of girls arrives. You can either arrange to have your own girls come or you can ask the sauna management to arrange for girls. Typically, the girls will get there faster if you let management arrange it. In our case, three girls arrived. Two were average and one was promising so we dismissed the average one and asked the cute one to join us. Being the guest, I was offered first choice but was told that I should not be afraid to 'trade up' if something better came along. And so the first girls stripped down and put on a towel joining us for drinks and snacks. About 30 minutes later, a new group of 3 arrived from which it was decided that one was acceptable and she, too was asked to join us.

This goes on until everyone has a 'companion'. If it means that you need 10 groups of girls to come before everyone is satisfied then so be it. But remember, you are on the clock so the longer it takes to choose, the more expensive it gets. This particular sauna went for about 1, 800 rubles an hour (excluding girls) which is, I am told, in the upper half of the price range.

I don't recall of it was 3 or 4 groups of girls who came in for 'auditions' but the when the last group came in there was one stunner. I could not take my eyes off her. It was obvious to my friends that I was interested and so they encouraged me to dismiss the girl who was tentatively assigned to me and choose the new little hottie. The guy in our group who was in charge of arrangements gave the girl 1, 000 rubles for taxi fare and thanked her for her time. This is a common practice and so these girls take it stride and don't make a fuss when they get to boot.

Once everyone had a 'buddy' we got down to more serious drinking and more serious recreation. Being a fairly conservative bunch we took turns going for private sessions with our new friends either in the bedrooms, the sauna or the swimming pool. The girls were under no illusion about why they were there and so complied with our wishes. So if you want to go into the sauna and lay on the bench bare ass naked and have her beat you with veniki (oak or birch branches) while she's stark naked than that's perfectly acceptable. And there's nothing stopping you from having fun with one group of girls and then deciding to swap them out for another batch halfway through the session. Just tell them good-bye, pay what you own and ask the management to order up a new team. Luxury.

What you immediately realize with these girls is that they are not your typical hookers. None of the wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am type of treatment you might get with some WG. These girls are there to spend TIME with you. They will drink with you, sing karaoke with you, swim naked with you, beat you with a branch and of course fuck you silly. These girls are very good natured and playful reminding me more of courtesans or geishas rather than hookers.

Now – they too are on the clock in the strictest sense if you want to play you are going to have to pay. Typically these girls will cost you 5, 000 rubles for the first hour on a declining scale depending on how long you stay. But make no mistake – this is NO bargain. It's EASY to have 4 or 5 hours slip by when you are having this kind of fun so don't go into this unless you are prepared to drop some coin. Just to give you an idea of the cost. There were three of us and we arrived about noon and left at 21:30. The whole affair cost us about 120, 000 rubles or about $4, 000 including whiskey, food, a 7000 ruble bottle of Beluga (gaaack) and of course the girls.

Yeah – not something you want to do every day, but certainly something you want to do at least once in your life.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1201301]Yeah – not something you want to do every day, but certainly something you want to do at least once in your life.[/QUOTE]Great report Jake. I have to say this sounds pretty much like my idea of heaven, except for the price tag that is. My ever lasting soul would be a discount.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1201409]Great report Jake. I have to say this sounds pretty much like my idea of heaven[/QUOTE]+1. A nice banya (or sauna that is) , a table abounding of tasty zakuski, Beluga vodka and beer, and a handful of semi-nude naughty devushki is also my idea of an ideal Saturday afternoon. (smilie)

Jake,

Great report. I believe you're right, no one here as ever ventured into the saunas. Or, if they did, they never reported their experience.

It seems like a good value to me. If the total cost was 4, 000 USD for 9. 5 hours / 3 guys = about 140 guy / hour. Drop that silly bottle of Beluga (totally unnecessary) and the cost per guy / per hour drops to about 130 guy / hour.

Even a cheap bastard like myself can see the value in that. (smile)

Thanks Jake, fantastic report! I never knew how these saunas work.

Best informative post I have read for a long time. Direct to the [b]"Reports of Distinction"[/b]. :)

Jim.

PS: Just out of curiosity, are these girls offering DFK and BBBJ, or even rimming and anal? :D

Thanks Jack for the report.

I was in sauna but came with my girl and what you describe is BTW very interesting, especially the fact that you can send out the girls you don't like.

A friend of mine experienced the sauna with russians guys, and prices you quoted were about the same.

I have rent a sauna during 2/3 hours, just for me and a girlfirend, + food + drinks, it was a 7000 rur (no money for the girl of course)

I totally agree with your conclusion: not to do every day, but once with your best wild friends. Defenetly. Maybe not 9 hours.)

[QUOTE=GandJim; 1201498]Thanks Jake, fantastic report! I never knew how these saunas work.

Best informative post I have read for a long time. Direct to the [b]"Reports of Distinction"[/b]. .

Jim.

PS: Just out of curiosity, are these girls offering DFK and BBBJ, or even rimming and anal? .[/QUOTE]Thanks Jim and thanks everyone for the kudos. It was fun writing the report and reliving last week's experience.

DKF? Yes,

BBBJ? Absolutely yes,

Rimming? Dunno did not ask

Anal? Don't know but I think yes depending on the girl.

Yeah Strav, that bottle of Beluga was stupid. But after 5 hours and 3 bottles of whiskey we weren't exactly being responsible.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1201301]I may be wrong here, but very little has been written about the saunas in Moscow. In fact, I can't remember anything being written in ANY of the FSU forums. I had the pleasure of partaking in a Moscow sauna last week and I thought I would share my experience.

There are literally hundreds of saunas in Moscow. Maybe even thousands. As the word implies, at the heart of the experience is a sauna and shower. But many if these little gems usually have a bar, karaoke machine, perhaps a pool table, dart board. Some will even have a plunge pool and even a swimming pool for your enjoyment. And of course – there are usually at least one or two private "relaxing" rooms that have a bed in each.

These private saunas should not be confused with the more public 'banya' which is a time honored tradition in Russia. I am sure that someone out there can probably enlighten us as to the technical difference between 'banya' and 'sauna' but I will leave that to someone more worldly than me.

The particular sauna my colleagues and I visited was in central Moscow and had a nice (but small) changing area where you strip off your clothes and put on either a bath robe or towel (bed sheet) depending on your preference and of course the obligatory 'tappochki' (slippers). Once changed you can go for a shower or a sauna. Or perhaps a bit of pool or darts. Normally drinks are served soon after arrival and perhaps food is ordered. In our case, we brought our own whiskey because alcohol at these saunas is served at restaurant prices and can get expensive.

Of course, after about 45 minutes of eating and drinking the first group of girls arrives. You can either arrange to have your own girls come or you can ask the sauna management to arrange for girls. Typically, the girls will get there faster if you let management arrange it. In our case, three girls arrived. Two were average and one was promising so we dismissed the average one and asked the cute one to join us. Being the guest, I was offered first choice but was told that I should not be afraid to 'trade up' if something better came along. And so the first girls stripped down and put on a towel joining us for drinks and snacks. About 30 minutes later, a new group of 3 arrived from which it was decided that one was acceptable and she, too was asked to join us.

This goes on until everyone has a 'companion'. If it means that you need 10 groups of girls to come before everyone is satisfied then so be it. But remember, you are on the clock so the longer it takes to choose, the more expensive it gets. This particular sauna went for about 1, 800 rubles an hour (excluding girls) which is, I am told, in the upper half of the price range.

I don't recall of it was 3 or 4 groups of girls who came in for 'auditions' but the when the last group came in there was one stunner. I could not take my eyes off her. It was obvious to my friends that I was interested and so they encouraged me to dismiss the girl who was tentatively assigned to me and choose the new little hottie. The guy in our group who was in charge of arrangements gave the girl 1, 000 rubles for taxi fare and thanked her for her time. This is a common practice and so these girls take it stride and don't make a fuss when they get to boot.

Once everyone had a 'buddy' we got down to more serious drinking and more serious recreation. Being a fairly conservative bunch we took turns going for private sessions with our new friends either in the bedrooms, the sauna or the swimming pool. The girls were under no illusion about why they were there and so complied with our wishes. So if you want to go into the sauna and lay on the bench bare ass naked and have her beat you with veniki (oak or birch branches) while she's stark naked than that's perfectly acceptable. And there's nothing stopping you from having fun with one group of girls and then deciding to swap them out for another batch halfway through the session. Just tell them good-bye, pay what you own and ask the management to order up a new team. Luxury.

What you immediately realize with these girls is that they are not your typical hookers. None of the wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am type of treatment you might get with some WG. These girls are there to spend TIME with you. They will drink with you, sing karaoke with you, swim naked with you, beat you with a branch and of course fuck you silly. These girls are very good natured and playful reminding me more of courtesans or geishas rather than hookers.

Now – they too are on the clock in the strictest sense if you want to play you are going to have to pay. Typically these girls will cost you 5, 000 rubles for the first hour on a declining scale depending on how long you stay. But make no mistake – this is NO bargain. It's EASY to have 4 or 5 hours slip by when you are having this kind of fun so don't go into this unless you are prepared to drop some coin. Just to give you an idea of the cost. There were three of us and we arrived about noon and left at 21:30. The whole affair cost us about 120, 000 rubles or about $4, 000 including whiskey, food, a 7000 ruble bottle of Beluga (gaaack) and of course the girls.

Yeah – not something you want to do every day, but certainly something you want to do at least once in your life.[/QUOTE]Great report. And BTW. I think this report needs to be considered for distinction. Exploring new areas of Moscow (or one of few reports) Also they should be considered Olimpic Athleets. 9,5 hours. Drinking eating and fucking. Caligula and his Rome colleagues don't feel your shoes!

[QUOTE=Excepticus;1201643]Great report. And BTW. I think this report needs to be considered for distinction. Exploring new areas of Moscow (or one of few reports) Also they should be considered Olimpic Athleets. 9,5 hours. Drinking eating and fucking. Caligula and his Rome colleagues don't feel your shoes![/QUOTE]OK stop it, stop it. You guys are embarrassing me. But I must say this is a VERY popular form of fun amongst our Russian brethren. For any of you who are interested in checking our more sauna action, you can get the low-down by visiting.

[url]www.sauna.ru[/url]

I think the photos speak for themselves. If you think about it, during the long dark days of winter it just gets to be too depressing. Sometimes the boys just need to have fun. I can't think of a more fun way for me my buddies to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away a few hours. Not to mention a few thousand bucks!

Returned from a few days in Moscow. Good and expensive as ever. My observations below.

I liked the Penthouse strip club better than Aurora (911). It might have been a different night but the girls seemed prettier and friendlier. It's 12K for an hour (4 for the room. 8 for the girl) , did not partake. Lap lances 3K and they were running 2 for 1 specials. I forgot how much the entry was but had free passes from a friend. Also free passes for Aurora. No need to pay cover.

Golden Girls from RusDosug on Tverskaya had good selection (5-6K)

Tons of available talent on mamba (prices vary) , many are free for a date.

Club Rai seemed to have a lot of semi-working girls. Keep in mind it's hard to get in there. But the whole section around that area is nice, reminds me of meatpacking in NY.

Finally when they charge 80 bucks for a hookah you know you are in Moscow.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1203972]Finally when they charge 80 bucks for a hookah you know you are in Moscow.[/QUOTE]Isn't THAT the truth.

Speaking of hookers:Why are there so many Afrikans on rosdosug actually? Do so many Russian man feel so attracted to them, or is it just that the few blacks you can find, are all on this very website?

[QUOTE=Frulindo;1207150]Speaking of hookers:Why are there so many Afrikans on rosdosug actually? Do so many Russian man feel so attracted to them, or is it just that the few blacks you can find, are all on this very website?[/QUOTE]Rusdosug is a paid site for girls. The more you pay, the higher up in the order you appear. The group that sponsors these African girls (and ergo ho's them out) pays a fair chunk of change to have these girls appear so high up in the order. Looks to me like a block purchase of advertising space.

MOST of the Russian guys I know would not be caught DEAD with a black girl. That's not to say that they are not turned on by getting a little "dark meat" now and then, but socially it's not considered to be cool at all. Frankly, I can't see it as being much demand for black girls and therefore not a very good business for these guys but hey, I am not in the business so what the hell do I know?

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1207688]Rusdosug is a paid site for girls. The more you pay, the higher up in the order you appear. The group that sponsors these African girls (and ergo ho's them out) pays a fair chunk of change to have these girls appear so high up in the order. Looks to me like a block purchase of advertising space.

MOST of the Russian guys I know would not be caught DEAD with a black girl. That's not to say that they are not turned on by getting a little "dark meat" now and then, but socially it's not considered to be cool at all. Frankly, I can't see it as being much demand for black girls and therefore not a very good business for these guys but hey, I am not in the business so what the hell do I know?[/QUOTE]By the way why get in bed with African / Asian when you are in FSU? There Are nice blondinkas there.

Got just a message from one.

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Blonde 21/169/49 / B cups with a brunetka as friend. 11. 500 for a full menu, may be a 1. 000 tipping for swallowing. Will see.

IT

ahhh it dose not support cyrillic shit!

I am starting to think about my next trip. And I seriuosly considering Moscow for 8 night stay.

Have to admit I am a bit sceptical going to a 10mil city with no Russian knowlege and alone. I have been to several other eastern europien countreys tho. And have a mixt impression thowards value issues in citys like budapest, prague, riga, talinn etc. I think often you pay there a western price for a total avrge girl. Tho I have been a lot time lucky too.

Even I don't expect Moscow to be cheap I feel that even you pay 300 dollars for an hour you get a rly nice girls and in that matter its fine for me. I woud like to hear what more experiencet people think about value in Moscow?

Now even a lot of you say go with apartaments I prefer hotell life better. The price vary a lot in terms of location. I am thinking to go with "Novotel Moscow Centre" nothing fancy but a very reasonable price for what you get is my first impression. Hotell is in Pusjkinskaja. Tverskaja area.

Now dose some of you guys know how far it is from places like Aurora, PentHouse etc?

PR

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1213507]I am starting to think about my next trip. And I seriuosly considering Moscow for 8 night stay.

Have to admit I am a bit sceptical going to a 10mil city with no Russian knowlege and alone. I have been to several other eastern europien countreys tho. And have a mixt impression thowards value issues in citys like budapest, prague, riga, talinn etc. I think often you pay there a western price for a total avrge girl. Tho I have been a lot time lucky too.

Even I don't expect Moscow to be cheap I feel that even you pay 300 dollars for an hour you get a rly nice girls and in that matter its fine for me. I woud like to hear what more experiencet people think about value in Moscow?

Now even a lot of you say go with apartaments I prefer hotell life better. The price vary a lot in terms of location. I am thinking to go with "Novotel Moscow Centre" nothing fancy but a very reasonable price for what you get is my first impression. Hotell is in Pusjkinskaja. Tverskaja area.

Now dose some of you guys know how far it is from places like Aurora, PentHouse etc?

PR[/QUOTE]Tverskaya is relatively centrally located and you won't be that far from Aurora and PentHouse, though the traffic Moscow can be horrid. If you have a basic understanding of the Cyrillic alphabet you should be able to navigate the metro easily enough and it's a good way to get around though it gets dicey late at night (the last time I was on the metro were no English transliterations of the station signs, don't know if it's changed).

For having someone to your hotel, I'd recommend Olga's Angels at [url]www.olgasangels.net.[/url] Of the current stable, I am only familiar with Sophia, who I'd recommend for a totally awesome BBBJ / CIM. IME this agency's girls deliver all services as advertised. Just ask the agency if in doubt. You have to make initial contact with them on e-mail but they usually answer quickly and usually revert with a phone number to facilitate further communications by text.

Happy Hunting,
EM

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1213507]I am starting to think about my next trip. And I seriuosly considering Moscow for 8 night stay.

Have to admit I am a bit sceptical going to a 10mil city with no Russian knowlege and alone. I have been to several other eastern europien countreys tho. And have a mixt impression thowards value issues in citys like budapest, prague, riga, talinn etc. I think often you pay there a western price for a total avrge girl. Tho I have been a lot time lucky too.

Even I don't expect Moscow to be cheap I feel that even you pay 300 dollars for an hour you get a rly nice girls and in that matter its fine for me. I woud like to hear what more experiencet people think about value in Moscow?

Now even a lot of you say go with apartaments I prefer hotell life better. The price vary a lot in terms of location. I am thinking to go with "Novotel Moscow Centre" nothing fancy but a very reasonable price for what you get is my first impression. Hotell is in Pusjkinskaja. Tverskaja area.

Now dose some of you guys know how far it is from places like Aurora, PentHouse etc?

PR[/QUOTE]Actually, the NoveTel Moscow Center is NOT exactly near Tverskaya. Pushkinskaya. The closest metro is Mendeleyevskaya / Novosloboskaya. They are not far from Tverskaya / Pushkinskaya but it will take you at least 30 minutes to walk to Aurora and the better part of 45 minutes to walk to Penthouse. Having said that it's only a quick metro ride to Checkovskaya or a $15 cab ride I have stayed there before a few years ago and it was ok. Good location for restaurants and bars. Some nice clubs that have some very nice amateur girls that are quite available.

In Moscow, VALUE is all relative. Western style hotels are still very expensive. Girls who speak English are expensive. End of discussion. And even some of them are average looking. Having said that, if you are a lucky guy you never know. You may well get a real gem.

I need some advise and help, I will be in Moscow later this month for some work and I will have 2 nights I will be free of my escorts for some mongering. I have been booked into the Milan Hotel near Kashirskaya Metro.

I have some questions:

- Is the Milan Hotel GF? And what the policy of in-calls in Moscow?

- Are there any freelancers in my hotel or near by?

I was thinking of booking a private from Rusdog rather then trying to work out the metro or taxi's.

- Any advise or recommendation for booking from there?

- I have noticed a lot of girls list Metros and are based in the north will most travel to Kashirskaya?

Any help or advise will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Mr Doody; 1215073]I need some advise and help, I will be in Moscow later this month for some work and I will have 2 nights I will be free of my escorts for some mongering. I have been booked into the Milan Hotel near Kashirskaya Metro.

I have some questions:

- Is the Milan Hotel GF? And what the policy of in-calls in Moscow?

- Are there any freelancers in my hotel or near by?

I was thinking of booking a private from Rusdog rather then trying to work out the metro or taxi's.

- Any advise or recommendation for booking from there?

- I have noticed a lot of girls list Metros and are based in the north will most travel to Kashirskaya?

Any help or advise will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Oh dear. The Hotel Milan is nice but waaaay off the beaten monger path. The good news is that very few hotels in Moscow today are NOT girl friendly. Unfortunately I have not stayed in the Milan and am not sure if there is any in-house talent. Having said that, if you are not able to change your hotel, I think your best bet would be to try to arrange something in advance fro Rusdosug or one of the other services. Be prepared to pay a hefty taxi fee however because Kashirskaya is a long way down and most WG DON'T take the metro to an "engagement".

I would almost be tempted to take the metro to the center and visit one of the salons.

Good luck

Thanks Jake 993, would you know what is a fair and reasonable taxi fee? I don't mind paying but don't want to be ripped off, Cheers.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1215235]Be prepared to pay a hefty taxi fee however because Kashirskaya is a long way down and most WG DON'T take the metro to an "engagement".[/QUOTE]

Another Oh Dear. Since you ain't in a position to negotiate that fee much. And depends where the girl is coming from. Prepare anyway for some nice 1000-2000 rubls. At minimum.

DrP.

[QUOTE=Mr Doody;1215595]Thanks Jake 993, would you know what is a fair and reasonable taxi fee? I don't mind paying but don't want to be ripped off, Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys.

Hoping someone can give me some advice, as I'm not sure where to start! I've tried trawling this thread, but there's almost too much info!

I'm planning a trip to Moscow from the UK in December. Haven't booked flight / hotels / got visa yet as I wanted to see if you guys could advise me first. I have to be honest, having come out of a relationship a few months ago, I'm only going for the women! I'm 40, don't look too bad, and have plenty of cash (but am not a millionaire!). In my poorer days, it would have been a trip to Thailand, but these Russian girls look amazing!

Alright, so I guess I should sort out accommodation and flights before I get the visa (it only takes a few days to get one apparently) , so I have some question. Any help at all would be really appreciated.

1. Is a serviced apartment better than a hotel (to avoid ones which don't allow guests back). If so, any recommendations? I'd happily spend $300 / night on a place as I'm only planning to go for three or four days.

2. Should I aim for the central bit of the city (I assume thats where the action is)

3. It's around $450 / hour for a decent escort in London . Should I expect to pay the same in Moscow?

4. I'm planning on enjoying myself as much as possible with the women. Escorts during the day / clubs at night sort of thing. Are there any reliable escort websites? Also. Which clubs / strip clubs should I try? I guess I could play it safe with NF / 19 / Aurora (from reading these posts, it seems Hungry Duck isn't the place to go any more). Should I just stick to those places?

5. I'm going alone. Is it safe?. Any parts of the city or bars / clubs to avoid? Is the metro safe?

Guys, many thanks for any help! I'm trying to plan this with almost no information.

Cheers,

Geoguy

[QUOTE=GeoGuy; 1218637]Hey guys.

Hoping someone can give me some advice, as I'm not sure where to start! I've tried trawling this thread, but there's almost too much info!

I'm planning a trip to Moscow from the UK in December. Haven't booked flight / hotels / got visa yet as I wanted to see if you guys could advise me first. I have to be honest, having come out of a relationship a few months ago, I'm only going for the women! I'm 40, don't look too bad, and have plenty of cash (but am not a millionaire!). In my poorer days, it would have been a trip to Thailand, but these Russian girls look amazing!

Alright, so I guess I should sort out accommodation and flights before I get the visa (it only takes a few days to get one apparently) , so I have some question. Any help at all would be really appreciated.

1. Is a serviced apartment better than a hotel (to avoid ones which don't allow guests back). If so, any recommendations? I'd happily spend $300 / night on a place as I'm only planning to go for three or four days.

2. Should I aim for the central bit of the city (I assume thats where the action is)

3. It's around $450 / hour for a decent escort in London. Should I expect to pay the same in Moscow?

4. I'm planning on enjoying myself as much as possible with the women. Escorts during the day / clubs at night sort of thing. Are there any reliable escort websites? Also. Which clubs / strip clubs should I try? I guess I could play it safe with NF / 19 / Aurora (from reading these posts, it seems Hungry Duck isn't the place to go any more). Should I just stick to those places?

5. I'm going alone. Is it safe. Any parts of the city or bars / clubs to avoid? Is the metro safe?

Guys, many thanks for any help! I'm trying to plan this with almost no information.

Cheers,

Geoguy[/QUOTE]Ok, I'll give it a go, there may be differing opinions but here's what I think;

1. For three to four days with $300 as a budget, (and I assume no Russian and first time to Moscow) I would stick to a hotel. There's a couple of good ones around the city centre well within the budget. I would say the Holiday Inn Lesnaya or the Marco Polo. You may even get one of the Marriot's on Tverskaya for that price?

2. Yes. Avoids excessive travel.

3. Nope. That's about 13500 RUR an hour. Never paid that much. Don't go anywhere near that. Somewhere between 6 to 10 depending on the quality? If you want to blow that much you could always try NF or one of the rooms in a club.

4. Try.

[url]Www.rusdosug.com[/url]

, usually pretty good, easy search parameters and I had some success from there. Far and away, get an account on the Mamba database and make contacts that way before getting to the city. You can search for sex again (it was sent to the premium accounts for a while) so go for it. Don't select girls with single photos or that look too "fake", and most of those that do offer sex for money are fronts for agencies etc. Write to 100 and you'll get a dozen out of that.

5. Around the city centre no problems at all, even a couple of stops out on the various lines. Metro is safe, reliable and punctual (plus a good perv). Learn your cyrillic, very little english but if you can recognise the characters you'll have no problems. Find a nice dyev on Mamba and meet up day one, she'll show you the ropes!

Cheers,

To keep it simple, if you arrive on Sheremetyevo, forget taxis, head directly to Byelorusskaja using AeroExpress train (320 RUR) in 30 mins. For $300 you get easily (just book early enough amd use any travel agency's discount pricing. E. G. Carlson Wagonlit) decent business-class hotels only a walk away from the metro. My recommendations in this order would be Sheraton Palace, Marriott Tverskaya, Radisson Blu Byelorusskaja. Arriving / departing won't go easier and cost-efficient than that.

Haven't been in Marco Polo but it's bit away the metros.

In other aspects I'd support Dogger. Rusdosug or Mamba. Or NF, Real Mccoy on (freebies.) or Golden Girls (only because next to Radisson Bl.)

Dr. P.

[QUOTE=GeoGuy; 1218637]Hey guys.

Hoping someone can give me some advice, as I'm not sure where to start! I've tried trawling this thread, but there's almost too much info!

I'm planning a trip to Moscow from the UK in December. Haven't booked flight / hotels / got visa yet as I wanted to see if you guys could advise me first. I have to be honest, having come out of a relationship a few months ago, I'm only going for the women! I'm 40, don't look too bad, and have plenty of cash (but am not a millionaire!). In my poorer days, it would have been a trip to Thailand, but these Russian girls look amazing!

Alright, so I guess I should sort out accommodation and flights before I get the visa (it only takes a few days to get one apparently) , so I have some question. Any help at all would be really appreciated.

1. Is a serviced apartment better than a hotel (to avoid ones which don't allow guests back). If so, any recommendations? I'd happily spend $300 / night on a place as I'm only planning to go for three or four days.

2. Should I aim for the central bit of the city (I assume thats where the action is)

Geoguy[/QUOTE]

Thanks Dogger and Dr P. Its exactly the advice I needed!

All the best.

GeoGuy

[QUOTE=Doctor P; 1218878]To keep it simple, if you arrive on Sheremetyevo, forget taxis, head directly to Byelorusskaja using AeroExpress train (320 RUR) in 30 mins. For $300 you get easily (just book early enough amd use any travel agency's discount pricing. E. G. Carlson Wagonlit) decent business-class hotels only a walk away from the metro. My recommendations in this order would be Sheraton Palace, Marriott Tverskaya, Radisson Blu Byelorusskaja. Arriving / departing won't go easier and cost-efficient than that.

Haven't been in Marco Polo but it's bit away the metros.

In other aspects I'd support Dogger. Rusdosug or Mamba. Or NF, Real Mccoy on (freebies.) or Golden Girls (only because next to Radisson Bl.)

Dr. P.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

I'll be in Moscow next week. 2 nights.

I'll stay in Marriot Renaissance, what do you suggest me for these 2 nights?

How is Aurora 911 club?

Do you think I'll find nice girls in the hotel lobby?

I heard about website putana. Ru, it seems to be trustable.

Thanks in advance.

Bye

[QUOTE=Tatoosun; 1219056]Hi guys,

I'll be in Moscow next week. 2 nights.

I'll stay in Marriot Renaissance, what do you suggest me for these 2 nights?

How is Aurora 911 club?

Do you think I'll find nice girls in the hotel lobby?

I heard about website putana. Ru, it seems to be trustable.

Thanks in advance.

Bye[/QUOTE]For your first time, Aurora 911 or Penthouse Club is good.

I have heard that there are girls in the lobby of Renaissance but cannot say from personal experience.

When you get to the hotel, get yourself a copy of the Moscow Times (English language newspaper) which should be delivered to your room or available in the lobby. Go the the escort section of the classified's and take you choice. With only two days you don't have too much time to waste. Putana. Ru and rusdosug. Com are hit and miss but as good as anything else.

Good luck and have fun!

Jake

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1219482]For your first time, Aurora 911 or Penthouse Club is good.

I have heard that there are girls in the lobby of Renaissance but cannot say from personal experience.

When you get to the hotel, get yourself a copy of the Moscow Times (English language newspaper) which should be delivered to your room or available in the lobby. Go the the escort section of the classified's and take you choice. With only two days you don't have too much time to waste. Putana. Ru and rusdosug. Com are hit and miss but as good as anything else.

Good luck and have fun!

Jake[/QUOTE]Yu can also consult [url]www.intimcity.nl[/url] Usually the photos are real (may be photoshopped) and there is a nice way of selecting girl on what they do. And if the come to hotel and how much you want to spend.

IT

Could I ask one or two more questions? I've read about 20 pages on this thread now and am totally confused about how much I should be paying for a girl. Is the following correct? (I'm also kinda guessing at what services are 'available'!)

Spontaneous lapdance in a strip club (I assume they just jump on you for a minute or so?) = I just tip them like 5 dollars or so?

Proper lapdance (is touching allowed?). Is this around $15-$20?

Private room dance in a strip club. I guess it includes sex? For a decent place like Penthouse, I should be paying maybe 8000R ($250)?

All night. No idea!

Thanks again and apologies for the multiple questions! I don't particularly want to save money and I'm happy to pay what's expected in Moscow if the girl is nice.

Geoguy.

P. S. I don't go for skinny much. I like a slim waist but curvy if you know what I mean. Not sure if you have any recommendations? Also, are there no 'normal' bars where I can go for a drink, but will have decent working girls (or should I just stick to strip clubs). I'm probably a bit too old for full on clubbing (40). I've booked into the Sheraton.

P. P. S. When I booked into the Moscow Sheraton from the UK on Saturday, I got a call from the bank the next morning saying my credit card details were compromised! If that was anything to do with Russia, then all I can say is I have to admire their efficiency. One website visit and Boom. Card needs cutting up! .

[QUOTE=GeoGuy; 1218979]Thanks Dogger and Dr P. Its exactly the advice I needed!

All the best.

GeoGuy[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1219501]Yu can also consult.

[url]www.intimcity.nl[/url]

Usually the photos are real (may be photoshopped) and there is a nice way of selecting girl on what they do. And if the come to hotel and how much you want to spend.

IT[/QUOTE]On Moscow Times there are also pictures of the girls in escort section? Are these pictures verified?

Thanks again

[QUOTE=Tatoosun; 1219056]Hi guys,

I'll be in Moscow next week. 2 nights.

I'll stay in Marriot Renaissance, what do you suggest me for these 2 nights?

How is Aurora 911 club?

Do you think I'll find nice girls in the hotel lobby?

I heard about website putana. Ru, it seems to be trustable.

Thanks in advance.

Bye[/QUOTE]If you don't want take out but rather fun on premises I HIGHLY suggest Bordo or 19 (both strip clubs).

[QUOTE=Tatoosun; 1219056]Hi guys,

I'll be in Moscow next week. 2 nights.

I'll stay in Marriot Renaissance, what do you suggest me for these 2 nights?

How is Aurora 911 club?

Do you think I'll find nice girls in the hotel lobby?

I heard about website putana. Ru, it seems to be trustable.

Thanks in advance.

Bye[/QUOTE]Aurora 911 they have rooms.

Prices are fix: 8k for her 4k for the room 1hr.

Service is variable as usual: depending from the girl. From anal to swallow.

Otherwise go to kalina bar from around midnight you have the best selection of Russian girls sitting at the table drinking gin tonic and smoking shisha

Just sit at the table with them and start a conversation. You will not regret.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Tatoosun;1219647]On Moscow Times there are also pictures of the girls in escort section? Are these pictures verified?[/QUOTE]www.intimcity.nl is the primary reference for internet escorts. There is a lot of valuable and reliable information there, and also some B.S. The problem is, it's all in Russian. If you can't read Russian, then its sister site: rusdosug.com may be more accessible.

If you understand the basic format of the site, however, it's not too difficult to access the info on intimcity.nl. They have a rating system now for the girls and you can see how the local guys rate the service they get from each girl.

Not every girl has ratings, but if they do, they will be at the bottom of the listing for that girl. These are the categories;

Кл.секс: = Classical sex
Минет: = Blowjob
Фото: = Photo
Анал: = Anal
Сервис: = Service
Общая: = Overall

You will also see:

Фотографии: = Photograph

If you see the word " соответствуют " it means the girl is the same as the photo.

If you see the word " не соответствуют " it means the girl is NOT the same as the photo.

To get a sense of how it works, check out Ira

http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=118645&style=1

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1220193][url]www.intimcity.nl[/url] Is the primary reference for internet escorts. There is a lot of valuable and reliable information there, and also some B. S. The problem is, it's all in Russian. If you can't read Russian, then its sister site: rusdosug. Com may be more accessible.

If you understand the basic format of the site, however, it's not too difficult to access the info on intimcity. Nl. They have a rating system now for the girls and you can see how the local guys rate the service they get from each girl.

Not every girl has ratings, but if they do, they will be at the bottom of the listing for that girl. These are the categories;

&1050; &1083; . &1089; &1077; &1082; &1089; : = Classical sex.

&1052; &1080; &1085; &1077; &1090; : = Blowjob

&1060; &1086; &1090; &1086; : = Photo.

&1040; &1085; &1072; &1083; : = Anal.

&1057; &1077; &1088; &1074; &1080; &1089; : = Service.

&1054; &1073; &1097; &1072; &1103; : = Overall.

You will also see...[/QUOTE]Ach man. Or you use google web browser.

And on top push " translate to English " very simple.

The problem is when calling or visiting them.

That's why it's better to go to places where they speak english

Or you go for a sauna (banya) there you change every 30min girl if you want.

Till you find your dream girl fine tuned by hot massage and vodka.

Ciao belli

[QUOTE=Joe Bi;1220273]Ach man. Or you use google web browser. And on top push " translate to english " very symple.[/QUOTE]Joe,

Not necessary to copy entire quote when you want to respond.

The only thing that is more difficult to understand than the Russian language is a computerized translation of the Russian language. Of course, words like Height, Weight, Age, etc, come through without a problem. But the comments posted by the local guys about the girls will just be gibberish.

Okay,

Some people are calling me crazy for thinking of going to moscow in late February, the only reason its because its really cold. In any case, I want to get some feedback from some of you guys that have done more traveling than me. I have been to Tijuana, Cali, San Salvador, and Costa Rica, so, I am very familiar with latin american prices and weather.

I find Russian women to be very attractive, there is something exotic about them. I guess because I am only attracted to white women. In any case, I decided to make the trip in February because is my birthday and its low season to travel, so airplane ticket is cheaper. I am curious if you guys can help with with the following. I will be staying for 7 days, I am in a budget. I am not so much interested about clubs to meet woman, as I just met only a few ladies that are very interested in meeting, so, that makes things a lot more fun, but if you recommend a few clubs, its appreciated.

So, I was looking at hotels in moscow, hilton, and others under the same category, and they seem to me over priced. I can get a room at the hilton in san salvador or anywhere else for one third of what they charge. So, I can see moscow is expensive.

This is where I need the most help. I have rented apartments for a week in other places, so, I am curious to know if you guys know any body who can rent me an apartment for a week or a room where its okay to bring lady friends, or hotels that are priced reasonable. 100 dollars a night perhaps. Also, tell me the truth, its too crazy to go during that month of the year!

Sincerely,

Calin

[QUOTE=Calinacd1;1220662]I can get a room at the hilton in san salvador or anywhere else for one third of what they charge. So, I can see moscow is expensive.[/QUOTE]Moscow ain't Tijuana. Or even Central America.

If you want to play with the dyevchonki (chicas) in Moscow, you will have to up your ante.

Calculate what you would spend for 7 days of mongering in Tijuana or Central America, multiply x 3, and you will begin to understand what Moscow will cost.

If you are looking for an apartment, you can try Rick at Moscow-Star. Com

[QUOTE=Calinacd1; 1220662]Okay,

Some people are calling me crazy for thinking of going to moscow in late February, the only reason its because its really cold. In any case, I want to get some feedback from some of you guys that have done more traveling than me. I have been to Tijuana, Cali, San Salvador, and Costa Rica, so, I am very familiar with latin american prices and weather.

I find Russian women to be very attractive, there is something exotic about them. I guess because I am only attracted to white women. In any case, I decided to make the trip in February because is my birthday and its low season to travel, so airplane ticket is cheaper. I am curious if you guys can help with with the following. I will be staying for 7 days, I am in a budget. I am not so much interested about clubs to meet woman, as I just met only a few ladies that are very interested in meeting, so, that makes things a lot more fun, but if you recommend a few clubs, its appreciated.

So, I was looking at hotels in moscow, hilton, and others under the same category, and they seem to me over priced. I can get a room at the hilton in san salvador or anywhere else for one third of what they charge. So, I can see moscow is expensive.[/QUOTE]Hi Calin,

Moscow is the most expensive city in the world

Saying that the cheapest in Moscow comparing hotel, restaurants, banyas are girls.

There are so many and sobeautiful you can't think about.

When back the first time from moscow it was summer at that time I was for the next days.

Still feeling like to be on a ship. That's because every single Russian girl on the street

Knows perfectly the cat walk. You think Moscow is a big fashion show, but behind the scenes life is hard.

And therefore all this beautiful intelligent clever amazing girls looks for sponsors:

[url]www.mamba.ru[/url]

Or you go to clubs like Solyanka, Denis Simachev Bar and Propaganda.

If you are after mainstream dance parties than choose Gaudi Club, Club Fabrique and B2.

If you want to meet girls than from ogni or kalina caffe to sky bar kalina bar or City Space Bar.

You will find as many as you want and if you still are without success than go to the swedish embassy

Or so called NIGHT FLIGHT. There you just need to pay 1100rubles for the entrance and all the rest will be managed.

Directly by the girls.)

Happy hunting and have fun

Would you have a recommendation for massage parlour in the centre? Are there any top-end 'exclusive' ones (I. E guaranteed at least an 8 or 9)? Or is it pot-luck?

Cheers

G.

[QUOTE=Joe Bi; 1221054]Hi Calin,

Moscow is the most expensive city in the world

Saying that the cheapest in moscow comparing hotel, restaurants, banyas are girls.

There are so many and so beautiful you can't think about.

[QUOTE=Joe Bi; 1220273]The problem is when calling or visiting them.

Ciao belli[/QUOTE]If we speak no Russian (as I) we have to put ourselves in their shoes. They not only have to master a foreign language, they also must learn our (arabic) letters, as their kyrillic alphabet is totally different. A small hint: When texting or writing basic questions or info to russians, I have found they can more easily understand if I use capital letters in my messages. If their English is elementary, this helps them to understand better, as our capital letters are more similar to theirs.

Joe Bi and Stravinsky,

Thank you for your feedback, I need to start looking at this places you mentioned and getting prepared. I have been talking to several girls I met online and we have talked on Skype for the last few weeks just to have something lineup for the trip, but like always, I want to have some plan B. I have been told moscow is expensive, but as I said, I didn't think that expensive. To me spending money in the women is no problem, its actually the best investment, as I have learned from my trips in latin america, I take care of the ladies by dinning them, and having a good time, that now there is no need to spend that much money any more on this ladies, so, dividends on my investment are now paying with good yields.

To me having sex with a lady in a five star hotel or two star hotel is going to yield the same result: satisfaction. As I am sure you guys think the same thing. But, thank you guys for the feedback. I really appreciated. I am new to the site and I will be bringing some pictures to reward you guys for the help provided before my trip. Also, is there anything I should be careful, as far as culture goes, I don't want to upset people.

Thank you,

Calin

[QUOTE=Calinacd1; 1220662]This is where I need the most help. I have rented apartments for a week in other places, so, I am curious to know if you guys know any body who can rent me an apartment for a week or a room where its okay to bring lady friends, or hotels that are priced reasonable. 100 dollars a night perhaps. Also, tell me the truth, its too crazy to go during that month of the year!

Sincerely,

Calin[/QUOTE]Hi Calin,

Try these companies to rent an apartment: [url]http://www.moscow-comfort.com[/url] And [url]http://www.apartmentsmoscow.com[/url]. Many forum members tried them, so they are trustworthy. And no, you are not crazy to fly to Russia in February. Welcome and enjoy our famous winter!

Hows party in January 3rd or 4th weekend in Moscow? We want to hit high end clubs Soho Rai Imperia etc. I know it's going to be freezing, are people still out on weekends?

Also, does anyone have contact info for a high-end penthouse apartment rentals in the center?

Thanks

Hi Guys.

Due to land on Friday in Moscow. Is everything still open, or should I cancel my trip? There don't seem to be any travel warnings?

Thanks for any advice.

G.

[QUOTE=GeoGuy; 1224699]Hi Guys.

Due to land on Friday in Moscow. Is everything still open, or should I cancel my trip? There don't seem to be any travel warnings?

Thanks for any advice.

G.[/QUOTE]Ah Smart! It's Moscow, it's not Damascus.

All is running as usual. Including the Police. Just avoid rally places. Just for not beeing taken by the police and putting out a day for explaining them you are just a (pussy) tourist.

IT

[QUOTE=GeoGuy; 1224699]Hi Guys.

Due to land on Friday in Moscow. Is everything still open, or should I cancel my trip? There don't seem to be any travel warnings?

Thanks for any advice.

G.[/QUOTE]No need for concern. Use your head and avoid large crowds of people chanting slogans. OF ANY KIND! You don't need to speak Russian to know that. I walked by Trumphalnaya Tuesday afternoon when the whole thing was getting organized. It's all very contained. The foreign media is blowing things up a little bit out or proportion. As far as YOU are concerned it's business as usual around here.

Ukraine's favourite ladies export their unique type of protest to Russia.

[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmv.in-moscow_news[/url]

You have to admire their determination in the freezing temperatures last weekend.

I'm all for FEMEN-ism now!

[QUOTE=Joe Bi; 1221054]If you want to meet girls than from ogni or kalina caffe to sky bar kalina bar or City Space Bar.

You will find as many as you want and if you still are without success than go to the swedish embassy

Or so called NIGHT FLIGHT. There you just need to pay 1100rubles for the entrance and all the rest will be managed.

Directly by the girls.)

Happy hunting and have fun[/QUOTE]What is Swedish Embassy? That's not the real embassy, right? Because in Singapore we can search for working girls in front of Thailand Embassy (beware of transv, LOL). Thanks brother.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1226696]What is Swedish Embassy? That's not the real embassy, right? Because in Singapore we can search for working girls in front of Thailand Embassy (beware of transv, LOL). Thanks brother.[/QUOTE]Uh, the Swedish Embassy is another word for the Restaurant / Club called "Night Flight". It's affectionately known as the Swedish Embassy because the proprietors are Swedish.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1226919]Uh, the Swedish Embassy is another word for the Restaurant / Club called "Night Flight". It's affectionately known as the Swedish Embassy because the proprietors are Swedish.[/QUOTE]Oooh, I see. Thank you for your usefull information.

Hi,

I am going in end of January to moscow. Do you have some Hotels, they have a good choice of hookers in their lobby (what are the cost for those girls) and which Hotels are also girl friendly?

Thanks a lot.

Schmitt

[QUOTE=Schmitt; 1232868]Hi,

I am going in end of January to moscow. Do you have some Hotels, they have a good choice of hookers in their lobby (what are the cost for those girls) and which Hotels are also girl friendly?

Thanks a lot.

Schmitt[/QUOTE]Dude, seriously?

Read the forum. At least pretend to make an effort.

Is there anyone who know exactly address of Charmel Salon or ather salon?

Thank you

Jake,

It does seem that there have been a lot of newbies showing up over the past 8 or 10 months with the same introduction,"Hi, I will be in Moscow next week / month for 2 or 3 days / weeks. Never been to Moscow before, don't speak any Russian. What should I do? Where should I go? How much should I pay? What will I get?

One of the nice things about mongering in Russia was that the barriers to entry were fairly high. Now, it seems, they let anybody in.

Of course, I suppose part of the reason why we are receiving all these missives for help is because the guys who [b]are[/b] There on the ground are not keeping us up to date as to the current situation. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1233927]Jake,

It does seem that there have been a lot of newbies showing up over the past 8 or 10 months with the same introduction,"Hi, I will be in Moscow next week / month for 2 or 3 days / weeks. Never been to Moscow before, don't speak any Russian. What should I do? Where should I go? How much should I pay? What will I get?

One of the nice things about mongering in Russia was that the barriers to entry were fairly high. Now, it seems, they let anybody in.

Of course, I suppose part of the reason why we are receiving all these missives for help is because the guys who [b]are[/b] There on the ground are not keeping us up to date as to the current situation. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) [/QUOTE]Yeah, Happy New Year to you too Strav!

You bring up a valid point. Those of us on the ground have not been too much help recently. But the fact of the matter is that I am not all that current on the mongering scene because I simply don't pay for it any more. I mean I don't pay for it in the traditional sense in terms of a transaction for services. Ha! Juggling 3 girlfriends in Moscow you BETTER believe that I am paying for it. Just not in that way. Like my distinguished brethren before me, like Pizdyets and Dr. Skank, once you establish yourself here the "mongering" lifestyle is not so appealing if you are here as a single guy because there are just SO MANY girls here available for sex. The fact of the matter is, however, that if you do not spend a SIGNIFICANT amount of time here, learn the language and invest the time, you are effectively "lock out" of a big part of the available population of girls. But I digress.

Your point is well taken Strav. I am happy to give assistance to whomever asks for it. However, when a Moscow newbie makes a post and blindly asks,"what's the best place for girls how much are they, what are their phone numbers, blah, blah, blah" when if has been written umpteen times before in the forums, it gets a bit tedious. RTFF did not become an acronym for no good reason.

But in the spirit of giving, I will give everyone a quick brain dump of what I have observed lately.

Best places for Pros: Nightflight, Hot Dogs (after 23:00) , The new Chesterfields on Novy Arbat (after 23:00) , Club Che (occasionally) , and Old School Pub) occasionally.

Best sex salons: Fantasys near Pushkin Square (

[url]http://www.fantasys.org/[/url]

) Charmel near John Donne Pub (

[url]http://www.charmel.biz/[/url]

) , Atel on Pokrovka near the ring (

[url]http://www.atell.ru/[/url]

) , Elite TV near Hilton Leninigradskaya Hotel (

[url]http://www.elit.tv/[/url]

)

Best web sites:

[url]www.rusdosug.com[/url]

,

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/[/url]

,

[url]www.sextalk.ru[/url]

Girl friendly hotels: ALL of the Western Chains (Hilton, Sheraton, Renaissance, Radisson, etc. Plus many Russian hotels but it's hit and miss.

Publications: Moscow Times (English newspaper) personal ads, Moscow News personal ads.

NOTE: Because I am not mongering regularly then some of this info may be dated. If you have a specific question, please ask. I am glad to help. But please don't fire out a shotgun question expecting miracles. Moscow is an expensive city and so are the girls. There are not bargains. Trust me. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

[QUOTE=ProfBirkermaie; 1233874]Is there anyone who know exactly address of Charmel Salon or ather salon?

Thank you[/QUOTE]Charmel is right next door to John Donne Pub on Nikitsky Bulvar.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1235131]The fact of the matter is, however, that if you do not spend a SIGNIFICANT amount of time here, learn the language and invest the time, you are effectively "lock out" of a big part of the available population of girls.[/QUOTE]Words of wisdom. . .

Jake, thanks for the brain dump. I figured I could lure you out of hiding by an appeal for help to the brotherhood.

Oh, and by the way, С Рождеством! (Merry Christmas!)

Hi! Anyone ever use intimcity. Nl to find working girls in Moscow? If so, I'm curious about those that are non-Russian speakers and how you have fared trying to contact the girls via the phone numbers listed on the site? Do you call them directly? SMS them?

Also, I get confused about how the site is set up to search for those girls will to come to your hotel or apartment. I think "Apartments" on the site means that you go to their apartment. Correct?

How do I search for girls who do outcall and will come to my apartment or hotel?

Thanks!

OK, you are the usual traveller who thinks to find easy girls outside his own country and he doesn't want to study two years of reports and he wants to waste his time and money much more than in his own country. About Russian sites about prostitutes and agencies, I can explain you that everything is great fraud and if there is somebody promises you one or two beautiful girls for cheap prices, that somebody is just a pimp. Sure, you can pay nonsense prices to see some girls but you never hope to have not even average sex with them. Moscow is not a town for beginners! Kharasho?

[QUOTE=Chill Bill; 1237012]Hi! Anyone ever use intimcity. Nl to find working girls in Moscow? If so, I'm curious about those that are non-Russian speakers and how you have fared trying to contact the girls via the phone numbers listed on the site? Do you call them directly? SMS them?

Also, I get confused about how the site is set up to search for those girls will to come to your hotel or apartment. I think "Apartments" on the site means that you go to their apartment. Correct?

How do I search for girls who do outcall and will come to my apartment or hotel?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer;1237036]OK, you are the usual traveller who thinks to find easy girls outside his own country and he doesn't want to study two years of reports and he wants to waste his time and money much more than in his own country. About Russian sites about prostitutes and agencies, I can explain you that everything is great fraud and if there is somebody promises you one or two beautiful girls for cheap prices, that somebody is just a pimp. Sure, you can pay nonsense prices to see some girls but you never hope to have not even average sex with them. Moscow is not a town for beginners! Kharasho?[/QUOTE]What about this website, have you tried it out?

[url]http://www.escort-elitegirls.ru/[/url]

[QUOTE=Schmitt; 1232868]Hi,

I am going in end of January to moscow. Do you have some Hotels, they have a good choice of hookers in their lobby (what are the cost for those girls) and which Hotels are also girl friendly?

Thanks a lot.

Schmitt[/QUOTE]Hi, Schmitt. Hotels in Moscow are girls friendly in general. The Ritz Carlton, National, Radisson (2 hotels) , Renaissance (2 houtels) , Katerina, Sretenka, Alrosa, Sheraton, Marriott (four hotels) , Best-Western, Marco Polo, Golden Ring, Golden Apple and Kempinsky are more friendly than others. Saw some girls in Hyatt, have no idea about the price, but not cheap for sure.

[QUOTE=ProfBirkermaie; 1233874]Is there anyone who know exactly address of Charmel Salon or ather salon?

Thank you[/QUOTE]Nobody. See, according to our laws (yes, I'm Russian) organizing and managing the salon is highly illegal. Much worther than just prostitution.

So one can't just walk in and get to the girls.

First. You get to the phone and call. No SMS, no hidden I'd's. Better get local sim-card. At this stage you set desired time and be informed about the price and location (not exact, just some point in the vicinity).

Second. You get to the point and call again "I'm here". You'll be checked from some nearby window and provided with the entry info (house and apt numbers etc). Now you're in about 5 min from the girls. That's the way to any salon. It's not really a security precaution (since money is the same for a crime and for a police) , it's just rules of this game.

Don't bother to choose some particular girl by the photo (Charmel is this one. [url]http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/en/sticker?id_country=50&id_city=1961&id_sticker=3699[/url]). It's about 10-20% only chance to meet her. At the place you'll have a choice from all the girls currently in place. Now it's about 170$/hour. And kinda overpriced IMO. One can get same staff for 100$/hour.

911 Aurora on a weekday.

I got off the Metro, I couldn't find it at first (damn cool to walk around!) , so I asked a security guy, he showed me the direction, actually the club entrance is located on Petrovskiye linii.

I paid the entrance and was escorted by a beautiful girl (she didn't speak any English and was a bit snob, I guess she played hard to get)

To one of seat on second row from the strip-stage. Every close to the stripper podium in left corner of the bar.

This was a good spot as I could view the girls on the stripper podium and the main stage. Later I moved to the bar and later to some other seats to have different views of the girls and club. There was a show with topless 8 cheerleaders on the bar. Nude girls parade.

My Lapdancers:

1. Black beauty from Ghana, Silvie. Big nice bobs, good English.

2. Russian beauty Katia. Slim body, small nice bobs. Very sexy voice and friendly.

3. Russian beauty Anna. Slim body, medium nice bobs. Very sexy and bit snob.

4. Asian beauty May or Maggie. Slim body, medium nice bobs. Sexy and sweet. Great L. D.

5. Another Black beauty from Ghana, forgot her name. Big nice bobs and ass, good English.

6. Russian beauty Tania. Tall, Slim body, big nice bobs.

7. Russian beauty, forgot her name. Medium body, big nice bobs.

8. Russian beauty Natasha. Slim body, small firm bobs.

9. Russian beauty Marta. Slim body, medium nice bobs.

10. Russian beauty, forgot her name. Slim body, medium nice bobs.

11. Repeat Russian beauty Katia. Slim body, small nice bobs. I told her she was my last dance, before I left the club.

In general the girls are slim and beautiful, also the waitresses. And what I loved the most is the girls have natural breasts and not so many tattoos. They looked very clean, sexy and innocence.

I enjoyed the girls and the club. 911Aurora is a nice strip club (maybe the best in Moscow?) with many beautiful girls, but I didn't find their striptease so great (technically).

For comparison, I find 911Aurora is not as good as Darlings in Prague.

A brand new strip club The Loft ([url]http://loftclub.ru/[/url]) is open from this weekend, I might try it out next time.

I talked about this club with some of the girls and they might rotate to this club (same owner)

Just wondering why this forum is so quite, almost dead!

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1246810]911 Aurora on a weekday.

I got off the Metro, I couldn't find it at first (damn cool to walk around!) , so I asked a security guy, he showed me the direction, actually the club entrance is located on Petrovskiye linii.

I paid the entrance and was escorted by a beautiful girl (she didn't speak any English and was a bit snob, I guess she played hard to get)

To one of seat on second row from the strip-stage. Every close to the stripper podium in left corner of the bar.

This was a good spot as I could view the girls on the stripper podium and the main stage. Later I moved to the bar and later to some other seats to have different views of the girls and club. There was a show with topless 8 cheerleaders on the bar. Nude girls parade.

My Lapdancers:

1. Black beauty from Ghana, Silvie. Big nice bobs, good English.

2. Russian beauty Katia. Slim body, small nice bobs. Very sexy voice and friendly.

3. Russian beauty Anna. Slim body, medium nice bobs. Very sexy and bit snob.

4. Asian beauty May or Maggie. Slim body, medium nice bobs. Sexy and sweet. Great L. D.

5. Another Black beauty from Ghana, forgot her name. Big nice bobs and ass, good English.

6. Russian beauty Tania. Tall, Slim body, big nice bobs.

7. Russian beauty, forgot her name. Medium body, big nice bobs.

8. Russian beauty Natasha. Slim body, small firm bobs.

9. Russian beauty Marta. Slim body, medium nice bobs.

10. Russian beauty, forgot her name. Slim body, medium nice bobs.

11. Repeat Russian beauty Katia. Slim body, small nice bobs. I told her she was my last dance, before I left the club.

In general the girls are slim and beautiful, also the waitresses. And what I loved the most is the girls have natural breasts and not so many tattoos. They looked very clean, sexy and innocence.

I enjoyed the girls and the club. 911Aurora is a nice strip club (maybe the best in Moscow?) with many beautiful girls, but I didn't find their striptease so great (technically).

For comparison, I find 911Aurora is not as good as Darlings in Prague.

A brand new strip club The Loft (

[url]http://loftclub.ru/[/url]

) is open from this weekend, I might try it out next time.

I talked about this club with some of the girls and they might rotate to this club (same owner) [/QUOTE]So it's as busy as it's in summer? How many girls did you see there?

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1250427]So it's as busy as it's in summer? How many girls did you see there?[/QUOTE]My guess would be at least 40-50 girls,

But hard to say for sure as some of them are in the rooms or sitting in the boxes with guests or giving PDs.

Nille,

If you compare to Kiev, how did you like girls in moscow and in aurora particularly? Where are more sexy and beautiful? Comparison to Rio?

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo; 1250817]Nille,

If you compare to Kiev, how did you like girls in moscow and in aurora particularly? Where are more sexy and beautiful? Comparison to Rio?[/QUOTE]Hi Ronaldinjo,

You are familiar St. Petersburgh mongering scene.

Can you give any info which is the best place for model type girls?

Clubs or private houses?

How much for 2 hours?

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Naykan; 1251089]Hi Ronaldinjo,

You are familiar St. Petersburgh mongering scene.

Can you give any info which is the best place for model type girls?

Clubs or private houses?

How much for 2 hours?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Hello, haykan, I'm familiar with privat hoces in the centre near and at nevsky prospect, there is possible to find a very decent girls with 80-130$ per h. You need to ask taxy drivers and there are a lot of advartisers in the streets. The girls are very nice and sexy. St. Peter is full of privat houces. I don't know about stipp clubs as I never feeled need for it there. Privat girls met my expectations. There you will have a big row of girls to choose from.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo; 1250817]Nille,

If you compare to Kiev, how did you like girls in moscow and in aurora particularly? Where are more sexy and beautiful? Comparison to Rio?[/QUOTE]The girls at Aurora are beautiful with hot bodies (no wonder they are strippers). (even the service staff are good looking)

I didn't recall seeing any ugly girls, which you don't expect to find in a upmarket strip-club.

Have a look yourself, there are blonds, blacks, brunettes, Asians, a taste for everybody.

The club is not expensive (unless you want to fuck).

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1251423]The girls at Aurora are beautiful with hot bodies (no wonder they are strippers). (even the service staff are good looking)

I didn't recall seeing any ugly girls, which you don't expect to find in a upmarket strip-club.

Have a look yourself, there are blonds, blacks, brunettes, Asians, a taste for everybody.

The club is not expensive (unless you want to fuck).[/QUOTE]Pity I didn't enter this place. I don't know when I will be in moscow another time. So Nile, please, can you tell me about this place and girls beauty in comparison ti Rio in Kiev for example? And how much costs 1 h? Are there better places with more beautiful girls in moscow?

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo; 1251808]Pity I didn't enter this place. I don't know when I will be in moscow another time. So Nile, please, can you tell me about this place and girls beauty in comparison ti Rio in Kiev for example? And how much costs 1 h? Are there better places with more beautiful girls in moscow?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Hi Ronaldinjo,

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

If you only saw / found 7-8 rated girls at Rio, then I believe Aurora girls are better looking.

I will rate some of the girls at 911Aurora as 10'er (Tall, long legs, Slim, Natural breast and beautiful face) in my book.

I'm not a Moscow expert, but other strip joins with beautiful girls are:

Penthouse same owner as 911Aurora.

Goldengirls.

The loft. A new club, same owner as 911Aurora.

1H sex is 12. 000 Rub at 911Aurora.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo; 1251808]Pity I didn't enter this place. I don't know when I will be in moscow another time. So Nile, please, can you tell me about this place and girls beauty in comparison ti Rio in Kiev for example? And how much costs 1 h? Are there better places with more beautiful girls in moscow?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Going to Moscow in April and wanted ask if anyone has any experience of street action. Love picking up girls off the street. Thanks

[QUOTE=Ukcynner;1252412]Going to Moscow in April and wanted ask if anyone has any experience of street action. Love picking up girls off the street. Thanks[/QUOTE]It depends a lot on the time of year (weather). While it's not common, there are certainly girls available in some of the more seedy parts of town. If you go near any of the several train stations in Moscow you can see girls "hanging around". These girls are usually available for sex. The more traditional method has been the tochka on the side of the road, but that has become more of a rare occurrence in the past few years in Moscow as the police seem to frown on this sort of activity these days. Moscow (especially in winter) is a city where the indoor venue is favored for mongering activity.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1252030]Hi Ronaldinjo,

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

If you only saw / found 7-8 rated girls at Rio, then I believe Aurora girls are better looking.

I will rate some of the girls at 911Aurora as 10'er (Tall, long legs, Slim, Natural breast and beautiful face) in my book.

I'm not a Moscow expert, but other strip joins with beautiful girls are:

Penthouse same owner as 911Aurora.

Goldengirls.

The loft. A new club, same owner as 911Aurora.

1H sex is 12. 000 Rub at 911Aurora.[/QUOTE]I have been in darling kabaret in prague and you mention that you liked aurora less than darling cabaret. Are girls in darling cabaret more attractive than aurora in your opinion? Have you been in Rio in Kiev? Can you compare quality of girls in Rio and aurora? Where are more good looking girls in your opinion? I have been in Rio recently and it was nice. Moscow is very expensive, it is known fact.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1252030]Hi Ronaldinjo,

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

If you only saw / found 7-8 rated girls at Rio, then I believe Aurora girls are better looking.

I will rate some of the girls at 911Aurora as 10'er (Tall, long legs, Slim, Natural breast and beautiful face) in my book.

I'm not a Moscow expert, but other strip joins with beautiful girls are:

Penthouse same owner as 911Aurora.

Goldengirls.

The loft. A new club, same owner as 911Aurora.

1H sex is 12. 000 Rub at 911Aurora.[/QUOTE]Hi Nille,

At 911 Aurora you pick up the girls to the hotel or the action is already in the club?

1 H sex 12. 000 Rub with kissing and bbj or you should pay extra?

For you which one is better Aurora or goldengirls?

Waiting for your loft report as well.

Thanks in advance.

Take care.

I spend a lot of time in Bishkek, and there's a great banya (S legkim parom) that I visit 2-3 times every time I hit Kyrgyzstan. So why am I posting here? Because the KG forum is very dead, and nobody there seems interested in this question. Here goes:

It is a very nice banya, with giant locker rooms, roman sauna, steam, hot, medium, cold pools, where men bring their sons, etc. The manicurist is fantastic. There are a couple of massage rooms where powerful ladies give excellent massages, and a body-scrub room off the main pool area. Body scrubs are done uncovered, and my Johnson occasionally gets a bit inflated, but I've had no recognizable "signals" that anything might be available in the way of a sensual hand-job, or "happy ending."

Are handjobs at this kind of place just out of the question, or am I just being a overly-shy American? I could bone up a little Russian on Google, or just make a HJ gesture, but would appreciate an insider's informed opinion.

Also, all financial transactions are handled by having your locker-tag recorded-it is not practical to bring money into the sauna. So do I hide some bills in the paperback book I brought along? All in all, I'm mystified. None of my colleagues will even GO to a banya, let alone give me advise on getting served in one.

By the way, I am totally comfortable with going to a private sauna, calling for girls, etc, but I want to know if I'm missing out on "benefits" at my favorite beer, soak, steam & vinniki parlor.

[QUOTE=Gamma Ray 007; 1252659]I spend a lot of time in Bishkek, and there's a great banya (S legkim parom) that I visit 2-3 times every time I hit Kyrgyzstan. So why am I posting here? Because the KG forum is very dead, and nobody there seems interested in this question. Here goes:

It is a very nice banya, with giant locker rooms, roman sauna, steam, hot, medium, cold pools, where men bring their sons, etc. The manicurist is fantastic. There are a couple of massage rooms where powerful ladies give excellent massages, and a body-scrub room off the main pool area. Body scrubs are done uncovered, and my Johnson occasionally gets a bit inflated, but I've had no recognizable "signals" that anything might be available in the way of a sensual hand-job, or "happy ending."

Are handjobs at this kind of place just out of the question, or am I just being a overly-shy American? I could bone up a little Russian on Google, or just make a HJ gesture, but would appreciate an insider's informed opinion.

Also, all financial transactions are handled by having your locker-tag recorded-it is not practical to bring money into the sauna. So do I hide some bills in the paperback book I brought along? All in all, I'm mystified. None of my colleagues will even GO to a banya, let alone give me advise on getting served in one.

By the way, I am totally comfortable with going to a private sauna, calling for girls, etc, but I want to know if I'm missing out on "benefits" at my favorite beer, soak, steam & vinniki parlor.[/QUOTE]Yes, out of the question. Not to say that it's not possible. But you should be prepared for a very stern negative reply and perhaps even the suggestion that you are rude. There are places like the one you describe in Moscow and they are not the "happy ending" kind. There is a very clear distinction between the two kinds of places. If happy ending or sex were available, believe me, they would be upselling you at every opportunity.

Hello, all,

First time to Moscow and have been reading that Moscow is the land of bait and switch. Could anyone recommend some reputable sites for my trip?

Lex

[QUOTE=Lex460; 1254219]Hello, all,

First time to Moscow and have been reading that Moscow is the land of bait and switch. Could anyone recommend some reputable sites for my trip?

Lex[/QUOTE]Lex,

Not to be a dick, but the best way to deal with bait and switch is to just say 'no'. It's not ideal (especially if you have a case of blue balls) but you need to be patient and just say 'no' if the girl who shows up is not what you expected. Just call them back and say you don't like her. 9 times out of 10, they will find another one and send her over.

Remember, they are not trying to rip you off intentionally. Like everywhere else on earth, truth in advertising is relative. This is why the lineup (Tochka and Salon) is so popular in Russia. What you see is what you get.

As for suggestions, send me a PM and I will make some suggestions. Not really interested in having the peanut gallery (you all know who you are) giving me shit for suggesting sites they have had bad luck with.

Jake

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1250440]My guess would be at least 40-50 girls,

But hard to say for sure as some of them are in the rooms or sitting in the boxes with guests or giving PDs.[/QUOTE]Nille, just out of curiousity, what are the drink costs at Aurora? (per example for a bottle of vodka). What about the ladies drinks, are the girls pushy? . Also what is consedered as a fair "gift" for a LD?

Spasibo

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1246810]A brand new strip club The Loft (

[url]http://loftclub.ru/[/url]

) is open from this weekend, I might try it out next time.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

The promotional video is fun, leitmotiv being one the most famous quote of the movie "From Dusk till Dawn" (smilie).

Girls looks great also. What is fabulous in FSU is that strippers are usually untouched by a scalpel.

[url]http://vimeo.com/34286873[/url]

[QUOTE=Prosal;1254652]Nille, just out of curiousity, what are the drink costs at Aurora? (per example for a bottle of vodka). What about the ladies drinks, are the girls pushy? . Also what is consedered as a fair "gift" for a LD?

Spasibo[/QUOTE]When Aurora first opened, Mojitos were 500 руб. Bottle of vodka? Who knows, probably 10,000 руб. Never bought a drink for any of the girls and they were not asking for them. Privat tanyets is 1,000 руб. If you want to also give her a gift, that's optional.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1254752]When Aurora first opened, Mojitos were 500 руб. Bottle of vodka? Who knows, probably 10,000 руб. Never bought a drink for any of the girls and they were not asking for them. Privat tanyets is 1,000 руб. If you want to also give her a gift, that's optional.[/QUOTE]Hi Prosal and Stravinsky.

This is pretty much the same now.

LD 200-300.

PD 1000.

The girls are not pushy. If you invite a girl to your table it's 800-1000 for 10mins.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer;1237036]OK, you are the usual traveller who thinks to find easy girls outside his own country and he doesn't want to study two years of reports and he wants to waste his time and money much more than in his own country. About Russian sites about prostitutes and agencies, I can explain you that everything is great fraud and if there is somebody promises you one or two beautiful girls for cheap prices, that somebody is just a pimp. Sure, you can pay nonsense prices to see some girls but you never hope to have not even average sex with them. Moscow is not a town for beginners! Kharasho?[/QUOTE]I've lived in Moscow for three years and I thoroughly enjoy the young, beautiful, Russian women here. However, I cannot imagine a more difficult place to come for a week or two to find P4P, with no Russian language skills or without an endless supply of cash. There is no way to do Moscow on the cheap for a short visit, in comfort without experience. It is not a question on whether or not you will get taken advantage of. It is only a question of how much it will cost you and how little you will get. This ain't Latin America or the Far East (both I know very well). If you want beautiful Slavic women and you don't want to spend your life savings, go to Kiev or any P4P destination in the Eastern Hemisphere other than Moscow. I have had Slavic pussy in Singapore, Dubai, Istanbul, Tel Aviv, etc. In these places, the women will speak more English, the pussy and other costs are less expensive and they are less likely to defraud you. Moscow is great if you live here, have some language skills and have a reasonable disposable income. It takes some work, some skills and some experience to be as successful as some of the distinguished gentlemen that posts their "kills" on this site. It is difficult to be successful in Moscow if you do not live here or if you don't visit very, very often.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1254839]Hi Prosal and Stravinsky.

This is pretty much the same now.

LD 200-300.

PD 1000.

The girls are not pushy. If you invite a girl to your table it's 800-1000 for 10mins.[/QUOTE]Hi Nille,

At 911 Aurora you pick up the girls to the hotel or the action is already in the club?

1 H sex 12. 000 Rub with kissing and bbj or you should pay extra?

For you which one is better Aurora or goldengirls?

Waiting for your loft report as well.

Thanks in advance.

Take care.

[QUOTE=Russ1740;1255691]I've lived in Moscow for three years and I thoroughly enjoy the young, beautiful, Russian women here. However, I cannot imagine a more difficult place to come for a week or two to find P4P, with no Russian language skills or without an endless supply of cash. There is no way to do Moscow on the cheap for a short visit, in comfort without experience. It is not a question on whether or not you will get taken advantage of. It is only a question of how much it will cost you and how little you will get. This ain't Latin America or the Far East (both I know very well). If you want beautiful Slavic women and you don't want to spend your life savings, go to Kiev or any P4P destination in the Eastern Hemisphere other than Moscow. I have had Slavic pussy in Singapore, Dubai, Istanbul, Tel Aviv, etc. In these places, the women will speak more English, the pussy and other costs are less expensive and they are less likely to defraud you. Moscow is great if you live here, have some language skills and have a reasonable disposable income. It takes some work, some skills and some experience to be as successful as some of the distinguished gentlemen that posts their "kills" on this site. It is difficult to be successful in Moscow if you do not live here or if you don't visit very, very often.[/QUOTE]Hello, russ, lets say if someone comes to moscow to lets say aurora to bang beautifull Russian pussy, one hour is going to cost 400$, I'm I wright?

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1255896]Hello, russ, lets say if someone comes to moscow to lets say aurora to bang beautifull Russian pussy, one hour is going to cost 400$, I'm I wright?[/QUOTE]Ronaldinjo,

Not to answer for Russ1740, but yes. $400 is about right for an hour at Aurora, Penthouse, or The Loft.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1256018]Ronaldinjo,

Not to answer for Russ1740, but yes. $400 is about right for an hour at Aurora, Penthouse, or The Loft.[/QUOTE]By the way gyes, in which place are the most beautiful and sexy girls? Aurora, penthouse or somewhere else? Prices are astronomic surely.

Hello, people, from your expiarence, where are the hottest girls in moscow located, really hott. Aurora, penthous or somewhere else? Prices are huge, but if anyone is going to spend this amount of money so let us all know where are the mos beautiful girls are.

Ok, here goes. I moved to Moscow 4 moths ago, and I promised to write when I sent a thank-you post 6 months ago under a different name. I spent the previous 3 years in Vietnam, and I came in with zero Russian language skills. This city is pretty intimidating at first, to say the least. Moscow slapped me around, and I felt like little girl for a good two months. I couldn't read any signs, didn't know about gypsy taxis, or that kefir is [I]not [/I]Russian for milk! Try taking a swig of [I]that [/I]after a bite of a pb&j. Isn't [I]that [/I]a fine how-do-you-do? I'm not complaining. The challenge is what makes it interesting and fun.

Fast forward to now. I am slowly learning the language, but I still can't make impromptu polite conversation. On the other hand, the best pick-up line here is "do you speak English?" works every time) Fortunately, I met a very pretty coed at papas place about 6 weeks ago, and her english is outstanding. The reason it took so long is that early on 1) I was still too intimidated to go clubbing alone, and 2) I was focused on two first-time trips to Costa del sol, spain (estark 95) and Berlin (artemis). Anyway, we aren't dating, just meeting for dinner twice a week or to go to museums and galleries. She's 19, and I'm 50. I've hit the clubs a few times since we met, but have not met anyone interesting (or interested) since.

I can't go out much because my work keeps me very busy. The trade-off is that I get 14 weeks of vacation each year (life's good). Moreover, my co-workers are total dweebs, and the cool ones are married. I'm still searching for where expats (and Russian girls wanting to meet them) hang out after work. Anyone like to share?

The escorts: Against my better judgment, I tried 3 from rusdosug and / or intimcity (sasha, marina, and I forget the third) and one from omen, two incall and two outcall. As predicted, none of them lived up to their photos or services, and none had the same level of GFE I got [I]every [/I]time in se asia (and for a [I]tenth[/I] Of the price here).

Clubs: got faced at Che (even my kartuchka didn't help). Experienced Luch (nice bar, not a club) , rolling stones, imperia, chesterfields, to name a few. Nobody goes out until around 11pm, but it varies. You can go to papas place at 9, but at 12:30 imperia is still dead (but by 12:50 it was packed). Got phone numbers from at least one girl at all bars / clubs except imperia, but no interest in calling any of them. The language issue is still an obstacle. BTW, my new friend told me what attracted her to me, besides my looks, were my nice shoes, watch, and tailor-made shirt. (thanks, Prosal.) And when I told her later on that I have two masters degrees and was well off financially, she appeared to have an orgasm.)

Bars: was at a place last weekend called tequila bar just a few doors down from coyote ugly. Witnessed a hot mulatto dancing on the bar, and a dork with glasses approached her, and 5 minutes later they left together. WTF? Is this a hooker bar? I turned to a guy I just met and said I would see what's up with a different girl. I said,"hey, do you speak english? You're very pretty!" (in my limited Russian) And then in english,"Can we go someplace more private?" I couldn't understand her fractured english response, so I turned to the bar to get another beer. End of story.

Penthouse: it's the only strip club I've visited, and I think strip clubs will be the best options for me (or anyone, for that matter). Like an fkk, you can see the girl naked and chit chat to see if you connect. That's the best scenario for me. I don't have the time or the money to roll the dice with escorts.

Be gentle with me guys. I know this report doesn't have any spectacular experiences. It's just a real account of a guy who has recently moved to moscow.

Lastly, when you hear people mention 9+s and stunners, it's an understatement. I swear to god, show me a pic of the hottest SI swimsuit model ever, and now I'll just shrug and say,". Eh". I'm telling you, some, not all, [I]some [/I], of the naked girls in Penthouse (or girls on the street or in the mall) have a beauty I have never seen before. Like, alien beauty. Unbelievable! With a nod to Nigel in spinal tap, Russia can proudly say of its women: "Ours go to 11")

Bulgakov,

Have you ever been in Kiev? As about Moscow, what are the prises in penthouse for an hour? Have you been in Aurora?

No, but funny you should bring it up. My friend here says that Russian women acknowledge that Ukrainian women are more beautifu than they are. Next vacation? Kiev! As for penthouse, from what I understand it is 12, 000 rub for one hour. I have not yet done this myself. There's an ealier post with more info. Something like 9000 for the girl and 3000 for the room. I will report first-hand details in the future.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo; 1257300]Bulgakov,

What are the prises in penthouse for an hour?[/QUOTE]Now that I look back, you've asked the same question already. WTF?

Bulgakov,

Living here since 5 years I amy give you one or two advice that you may find useful.

First, you should learn how to use intimcity. If you choose outcall, check the comments and the rating given by other guys. Never take a girl without rating. If you do that; and nly select girls with let say 5 different ratings and 5 guys who confirmed that the girl correspond to the picture, then you will not have any bad surprise. For the services it is the same: if her services are rated as high by several different guys, then there is a chance that the girl will be GFE or at least willing to do what you want.

Second, Rolling stones is in my opinion a good compromise between no severe doors control, accessible girl of an average / good looking. Maybe give a second chance to the club.

Third, there is a club called "Paris" if I remember well located inside the sad hermitage. This club is usually for + 30 years old people. It includes a bunch of divorced MILF who got the night to get crazy before picking up her kid at grandma's place in the morning. Chances to score there are high, and no competition with 20 years old guys.

Last, my 2 favorite strip clubs are aurora and 19. I never have regretted any of my visit to these places. And I am going right now to dinner with a friend and then to aurora.

Enjoy Moscow, that's the best place in the world to live when you are a single man.

[QUOTE=Passepartout; 1257412]Bulgakov,

Living here since 5 years I amy give you one or two advice that you may find useful.

First, you should learn how to use intimcity. If you choose outcall, check the comments and the rating given by other guys. Never take a girl without rating. If you do that; and nly select girls with let say 5 different ratings and 5 guys who confirmed that the girl correspond to the picture, then you will not have any bad surprise. For the services it is the same: if her services are rated as high by several different guys, then there is a chance that the girl will be GFE or at least willing to do what you want.

Second, Rolling stones is in my opinion a good compromise between no severe doors control, accessible girl of an average / good looking. Maybe give a second chance to the club.

Third, there is a club called "Paris" if I remember well located inside the sad hermitage. This club is usually for + 30 years old people. It includes a bunch of divorced MILF who got the night to get crazy before picking up her kid at grandma's place in the morning. Chances to score there are high, and no competition with 20 years old guys.

Last, my 2 favorite strip clubs are aurora and 19. I never have regretted any of my visit to these places. And I am going right now to dinner with a friend and then to aurora.

Enjoy Moscow, that's the best place in the world to live when you are a single man.[/QUOTE]What can I say to these completely true words? Moscow is the best city for a single guy except the cold weather which protected this city for centuries against invaders.

And one last word; Why noone told me this Paris Club? That was the type of place that I want to be for my entire life.

Unfortunately I lost my very much valeuable time there for searching a sheethole club near Bibliotika Lenina or trying to find my lost wallet in front of Che Guevera Club.

Anyway I will keep my promises about giving a second chance to that city but that would be in summer.

Best regards and greetings to all you guys who are blessed vassals of God that live in Moscow.

See you.

[QUOTE=Passepartout; 1257412]Bulgakov,

Living here since 5 years I amy give you one or two advice that you may find useful.

First, you should learn how to use intimcity. If you choose outcall, check the comments and the rating given by other guys. Never take a girl without rating. If you do that; and nly select girls with let say 5 different ratings and 5 guys who confirmed that the girl correspond to the picture, then you will not have any bad surprise. For the services it is the same: if her services are rated as high by several different guys, then there is a chance that the girl will be GFE or at least willing to do what you want.

Second, Rolling stones is in my opinion a good compromise between no severe doors control, accessible girl of an average / good looking. Maybe give a second chance to the club.

Third, there is a club called "Paris" if I remember well located inside the sad hermitage. This club is usually for + 30 years old people. It includes a bunch of divorced MILF who got the night to get crazy before picking up her kid at grandma's place in the morning. Chances to score there are high, and no competition with 20 years old guys.

Last, my 2 favorite strip clubs are aurora and 19. I never have regretted any of my visit to these places. And I am going right now to dinner with a friend and then to aurora.

Enjoy Moscow, that's the best place in the world to live when you are a single man.[/QUOTE]Where are more beautiful and classy girls?

[QUOTE=Bulgakov;1257091]Ok, here goes. I moved to Moscow 4 moths ago, and I promised to write when I sent a thank-you post 6 months ago under a different name. I spent the previous 3 years in Vietnam, and I came in with zero Russian language skills. This city is pretty intimidating at first, to say the least. Moscow slapped me around, and I felt like little girl for a good two months. I couldn't read any signs, didn't know about gypsy taxis, or that kefir is [I]not [/I]Russian for milk! Try taking a swig of [I]that [/I]after a bite of a pb&j. Isn't [I]that [/I]a fine how-do-you-do? I'm not complaining. The challenge is what makes it interesting and fun.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the report. As you would stay in Moscow for a long time. Check this site similar to intimcity

[url]www.dosug.cz[/url]

It too has ratings by members as mentioned by Passepartout but layout is more organized and navigation is not difficult plus it has english translation option as well. Some time back I had saved some contacts from it and called few of them from home to check if they are real...some speak english, i used Google translate ...most speak Russian but understand basic english...unfortunately, my plan got canceled ..planning a new trip soon and got a list to go through from the site hehehe...

Also, for Eng-Russian translation...there is an App for android mobile, that translates spoken Russian into English in Android market ..Google it for the apps....Good luck

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1257489]What can I say to these completely true words? Moscow is the best city for a single guy except the cold weather which protected this city for centuries against invaders.

And one last word; Why noone told me this Paris Club? That was the type of place that I want to be for my entire life.

Unfortunately I lost my very much valeuable time there for searching a sheethole club near Bibliotika Lenina or trying to find my lost wallet in front of Che Guevera Club.

Anyway I will keep my promises about giving a second chance to that city but that would be in summer.

Best regards and greetings to all you guys who are blessed vassals of God that live in Moscow.

See you.[/QUOTE]Hello Iceberg,

Can you compare quality of girls in Rio clubs and Aurora clubs for example, and quality of Moscow clubs with Kiev clubs?

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo; 1257646]Hello, Iceberg,

Can you compare quality of girls in Rio clubs and Aurora clubs for example, and quality of Moscow clubs with Kiev clubs?[/QUOTE]First of all I want to admit the words said for the Aurora 911 here in this forum is completely true. It's probably the best strip club in the world.

Rio is just one third of Aurora. Lighting, mirrors and arrangement of seats is terrible.

In a general point of view; Moscow clubs I think better than Kiev Clubs for the quality of girls and also for the system and attitute.

But if you ask me "Hey Iceberg which one you would like to be in right now?" with a magic wand in your hands.

I would definitely choose Kiev.

Because;

The warm smile on the face of the 18 why. O blonde while she was serving me an ice cold beer.

6 strippers trying to get on top of me one bye one just for 100 Grivna tip while I am drinking my beer.

For being one of the three guys who sits there for hours and watch the strip show with eyes of the stripper directly on mine.

The possibility of getting a 20 why. O. 9 stripper just for 300 USD (two pops) in your hotel room like my friend did.

You will definitely sit on comfortable seats without being bothered by some very beautiful but intolerant waitresses.

P. S; All these things happened in a strip club which is inside a hotel which I don't remember name of it but it was near President Hotel.

Final words; Go to Moscow and Moscow Clubs once in your life (I strongly recommend this) but always prefer Kiev for your periodical ordinary visits.

Ciao.

I have no clue if aurora is better than K5 in prague or other strips in Kiev.

It was the first time I went back to Aurora since 1 year probably as I got the member card of 19, so I used to go to 19 on the last year instead.

I immediately found Aurora "less better" than before: the entrance is less classy, and the quality of some girls as well.

But as soon as they start the "parade", even disney with all their efforts and tricks are very far from giving to our kids half of the happiness we can feel during this magic moment. Everybody must see this parade once in its life.

I was basically only watching, and, as usual in this club, one of the girl, that I will not describe as she can be easily recognized, did to me a dance, starting to smile, to discuss and to be a bit more than a stripper trying to get 200 rur. For my surprise she didn't offer straight to go to private room. She left me, after the tip, and came back one or two times to discuss. Something was happening, I could feel it. When we were asking for the bill she came and asked me to offer her a drink as she was thirsty. I said to her that I was leaving and already ordered the bill. So sad. But then I said

"hey, I want to see you again".

She said "when?"

I answered"tomorrow?"

Her: "hummm, tomorrow, ok , davai. Give me your phone number".

I gave, and left. She called back 10 mns later to make sure we get the good phone numbers and paka paka. It was Tuesday night.

Today, she called me in the beggining of the afternoon. We agreed to meet after work. Was a bit difficult to agreed on the place. At 9. 00 I was at the restaurant, waiting for her at the agreed time. She called to say I am late. 30 minutes. At 9. 30 she wrote an SMS "skora" (soon). At 10. 00 I wrote to her an sms being totally pissed off and went back home.

She called, apologize, as she was at the hair-dresser and it took toooooo much time. Then she asked me if I was living alone. Yes. So can I come directly to your home? Well, yes, here is the address.

I was at home waiting, and wondering if she would come and if I would have to pay. Meeting at a restaurant is something, meeting directly at home is a clear indication that this is a paying meeting. Who cares?

She arrived finally. OMFG, this is a 9 or even a 10. I prefer telling straight that the 9 and the 10 are not my daily dishes in Moscow, I am more into the divorced MILF of 28 years old being a nice 7. Her boddy is simply the best you can dreamt of, at least according to my criteria, with the probable smallest ass in the world, while measuring 1. 75M. I need to check if she recorded in guiness book for that.

I opened a bootle a french white wine (chablis) , and we started to chit chat. After 5 minutes she was siting on me. Then we headed in my cabinet where is my laptop to put some music. And she started to dance and undressed. Magical moments, during 2 hours I was on another planet, one of the wildest sex session I ever had in my life, I almost destroyed my desk! We did it 4 times, cut by strips and nude dance in the shadow of some table lights, then she said she had to come back home. Ordered a taxi. And asked me for money. I said how much?"Give what you want". I was thinking well 5000 rur will do it, but when she saw the notes she asked me for 8000 rur and told me:

"look, you are sexy, sex was fantastic, I want to see you again. Next times will be for free no problem, but tonight I was on the agenda of the club, didn't go to meet with you as I really wanted to see you, and I will have to pay a fine for that. This is the only reason why I ask you money tonight".

Probably a nice BS but who cares? I am 38 yo, she is 22. While waiting for the taxi to arrive, she told me that she was with her boyfriend for 3 years, and left him as he was too jealous; he wanted to forbid her to go out with her friends, etc. She wants fun. She received apparently some offers from some model agency in western europe (probably another BS). She started to work in aurora 5 days ago. She showed me her pictures with her friends in clubs in moscow, not any girl less than 8. She asked me to go with her and her friends to soho this week-end. And then she was probably tired to talk, she put out her pants, put her hand in mine to wake up my tired friend, and here we are for the 5th session. She was lying on the table, again a wild wild sex; and then the taxi called to say he arrived. She took her mobile phone and answered to him while having an orgasm. (moaning).... DA... I am (moaning)... Coming (moaning) ..in 5 minutes..... Like this during 30 seconds. I couldn't beleive what I was seeing. I did a lot of things in my life. But a girl openly having an orgasm with the taxi driver on the phone and waiting for her, this I have to admit that it was the first time.

She finally left, wrote me 2 sms to tell me that I am nice and see you soon.

Moscow is a fucking paradise on earth. Where can you see that anywhere else in the world, honestly?

(Sorry for the poor english level which is not my native tongue)

[QUOTE=Passepartout; 1257843]I have no clue if aurora is better than K5 in prague or other strips in Kiev.

It was the first time I went back to Aurora since 1 year probably as I got the member card of 19, so I used to go to 19 on the last year instead.

I immediately found Aurora "less better" than before: the entrance is less classy, and the quality of some girls as well.

But as soon as they start the "parade", even disney with all their efforts and tricks are very far from giving to our kids half of the happiness we can feel during this magic moment. Everybody must see this parade once in its life.

I was basically only watching, and, as usual in this club, one of the girl, that I will not describe as she can be easily recognized, did to me a dance, starting to smile, to discuss and to be a bit more than a stripper trying to get 200 rur. For my surprise she didn't offer straight to go to private room. She left me, after the tip, and came back one or two times to discuss. Something was happening, I could feel it. When we were asking for the bill she came and asked me to offer her a drink as she was thirsty. I said to her that I was leaving and already ordered the bill. So sad. But then I said

"hey, I want to see you again".

She said "when?"

I answered"tomorrow?"

Her: "hummm, tomorrow, ok, davai. Give me your phone number".

I gave, and left. She called back 10 mns later to make sure we get the good phone numbers and paka paka. It was Tuesday night.

Today, she called me in the beggining of the afternoon. We agreed to meet after work. Was a bit difficult to agreed on the place. At 9. 00 I was at the restaurant, waiting for her at the agreed time. She called to say I am late. 30 minutes. At 9. 30 she wrote an SMS "skora" (soon). At 10. 00 I wrote to her an sms being totally pissed off and went back home.

She called, apologize, as she was at the hair-dresser and it took toooooo much time. Then she asked me if I was living alone. Yes. So can I come directly to your home? Well, yes, here is the address.

I was at home waiting, and wondering if she would come and if I would have to pay. Meeting at a restaurant is something, meeting directly at home is a clear indication that this is a paying meeting. Who cares?

She arrived finally. OMFG, this is a 9 or even a 10. I prefer telling straight that the 9 and the 10 are not my daily dishes in Moscow, I am more into the divorced MILF of 28 years old being a nice 7. Her boddy is simply the best you can dreamt of, at least according to my criteria, with the probable smallest ass in the world, while measuring 1. 75M. I need to check if she recorded in guiness book for that.

I opened a bootle a french white wine (chablis) , and we started to chit chat. After 5 minutes she was siting on me. Then we headed in my cabinet where is my laptop to put some music. And she started to dance and undressed. Magical moments, during 2 hours I was on another planet, one of the wildest sex session I ever had in my life, I almost destroyed my desk! We did it 4 times, cut by strips and nude dance in the shadow of some table lights, then she said she had to come back home. Ordered a taxi. And asked me for money. I said how much?"Give what you want". I was thinking well 5000 rur will do it, but when she saw the notes she asked me for 8000 rur and told me:

"look, you are sexy, sex was fantastic, I want to see you again. Next times will be for free no problem, but tonight I was on the agenda of the club, didn't go to meet with you as I really wanted to see you, and I will have to pay a fine for that. This is the only reason why I ask you money tonight".

Probably a nice BS but who cares? I am 38 yo, she is 22. While waiting for the taxi to arrive, she told me that she was with her boyfriend for 3 years, and left him as he was too jealous; he wanted to forbid her to go out with her friends, etc. She wants fun. She received apparently some offers from some model agency in western europe (probably another BS). She started to work in aurora 5 days ago. She showed me her pictures with her friends in clubs in moscow, not any girl less than 8. She asked me to go with her and her friends to soho this week-end. And then she was probably tired to talk, she put out her pants, put her hand in mine to wake up my tired friend, and here we are for the 5th session. She was lying on the table, again a wild wild sex; and then the taxi called to say he arrived. She took her mobile phone and answered to him while having an orgasm. (moaning). The. I am (moaning). Coming (moaning). In 5 minutes. Like this during 30 seconds. I couldn't beleive what I was seeing. I did a lot of things in my life. But a girl openly having an orgasm with the taxi driver on the phone and waiting for her, this I have to admit that it was the first time.

She finally left, wrote me 2 sms to tell me that I am nice and see you soon.

Moscow is a fucking paradise on earth. Where can you see that anywhere else in the world, honestly?

(Sorry for the poor english level which is not my native tongue) [/QUOTE]Some of the guys here must stop that lucky bastard to post something anymore or I will suicide!

Anyway,

I am the right person who can reply K5 vs Aurora comparison question if I can save myself from the shocking and perverting effect of this Moscow Wild Sex Story!

First of all K5 isn't even comparable with Aurora 911. To compare these two clubs is smt like BMW M5 vs VW Golf.

Because of the quality of girls, atmosphere and the sizes of area. K5 is only one fifth of Aurora.

I don't want to do an injustice of the manager of this club who really works hard to make this club a preferable place in whole world (He even can say Hello, and buddy in every language even in Turkish) so I want to mention about some positive things about K5.

1-You have a touch screen under the table which shows pictures and profiles and availability of every girl working in this club. (Something I have never seen in another club. Very unique and impressive at first sight)

2-You have at least 3 pimps who try to make you choose a girl and go to a room for a 30 mins session. (This can be smt positive because they are really friendly and doing this s*ht very sensitively)

3-Lady drink is the same price with normal drinks and no time limit. You can talk to her how long you want.

4-All girls are friendly.

Finally I want to add to my words if you ask a comparison between Darlings and Aurora then I could be more optimistic because of number of girls and prices but Aurora would be the winner in any case. (It's bigger than Aurora)

Best Regards and with my special greetings to Passeparteut.

Ppt,

So, what did it cost you?

8000 rubles. Nie plora.

[QUOTE=Passepartout; 1257843]I have no clue if aurora is better than K5 in prague or other strips in Kiev.

It was the first time I went back to Aurora since 1 year probably as I got the member card of 19, so I used to go to 19 on the last year instead.

I immediately found Aurora "less better" than before: the entrance is less classy, and the quality of some girls as well.

But as soon as they start the "parade", even disney with all their efforts and tricks are very far from giving to our kids half of the happiness we can feel during this magic moment. Everybody must see this parade once in its life.

Passepartout, what do you mean that you found aurora less better than before? Aurora girls are less beautiful than before? If so why? What do you mean by saying "parade"?

There was some girls with obvious fake boobs and over 30 why. O proposing from time to time lapdance. I would say that 15% or 20% of the girls were clearly disappointing. It is still 80% of princesses. Or maybe I am just spoiled. I only give my personal subjective feeling.

"Parade" is a magic moment when all girls got naked, come to the central place, and then you are invited for a free dance with one of them. I am not sure I can discribe more than that, but it is impressive, magic and amazing.

I have a nice profile here. It's from my "flirt" version, but Passwords are the same as mamba, love etc.

Somebody has been drilling these barely legal ones? (all just 18!).

Many thanks for comments. By the way I have no idea if they are real.

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/mb730209432/[/url] a really teen looking one...
[url]http://flirt.com.ua/mb730209432/[/url] if you like some more meat on the bones (not bead for heavvy duty sex!)

IT.

PS but they are wonderful, next door, barely legal teens.

I am sorry for you, it is probably that's the usual fake Moscow-style profile to make men to travel to Moscow.

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1258935]I have a nice profile here. It's from my "flirt" version, but Passwords are the same as mamba, love etc.

Somebody has been drilling these barely legal ones? (all just 18!).

Many thanks for comments. By the way I have no idea if they are real.

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/mb730209432/[/url]

A really teen looking one.

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/mb730209432/[/url]

If you like some more meat on the bones (not bead for heavvy duty sex!)

IT.

PS but they are wonderful, next door, barely legal teens.[/QUOTE]

Are there any? Where to what about intercity highways, Moscow ring roads etc?

[QUOTE=Fotze4;1258978]Are there any? Where to what about intercity highways, Moscow ring roads etc?[/QUOTE]I believe you are referring to the Moscow 'Tochka'. These are fading quickly from the Moscow scene. The police have cracked down heavily on this type of activity and you have to drive to some pretty rough parts of town these days to find any. It's been years since I have visited one but a friend of mine to who did find one about six month sago said they drove for hours to find one. And when they did find one, the girls were pretty skanky and not worth taking home. Another fine Moscow tradition gone.

As for common street walkers, just hang around any one of Moscow train stations and they will find you. Leningradskaya, Beloruskaya, Kurskstaya, Kievskaya, etc.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1259347]I believe you are referring to the Moscow 'Tochka'. These are fading quickly from the Moscow scene. The police have cracked down heavily on this type of activity and you have to drive to some pretty rough parts of town these days to find any. It's been years since I have visited one but a friend of mine to who did find one about six month sago said they drove for hours to find one. And when they did find one, the girls were pretty skanky and not worth taking home. Another fine Moscow tradition gone.[/QUOTE]From a member who I have not seen for a long time on the forum from a couple years back is a brilliant post describing a night's adventure hunting Tochka. Worth a repost I do believe.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?770-Moscow&p=1028295&viewfull=1#post1028295[/url]

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1259378]From a member who I have not seen for a long time on the forum from a couple years back is a brilliant post describing a night's adventure hunting Tochka. Worth a repost I do believe.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?770-Moscow&p=1028295&viewfull=1#post1028295[/url]

AM[/QUOTE]AM,

With a heavy heart, I must report that the member in question has left Russia for good.

Farewell to Pizdyets!

Jake

What has happened to Pizdyets?

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1260083]AM,

With a heavy heart, I must report that the member in question has left Russia for good.

Farewell to Pizdyets!

Jake[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jake993;1260083]With a heavy heart, I must report that the member in question has left Russia for good.[/QUOTE]Jake,

What are you saying? Are you saying that Elvis has left the building?

Say it isn't so!

[QUOTE=Acolonizer;1258947]I am sorry for you, it is probably that's the usual fake Moscow-style profile to make men to travel to Moscow.[/QUOTE]May be Alconizer. But I have to travel to Moscow in any case so. Why not spending some time with a nice blondinka or brunetka?

Just for saying some words on tochka and other things.

In the early Nineties Moscow was like a sex Disneyland: when they just opened Night Flight (1991) you could get a night (maybe a day) from a normal, beautiful girl, for 100 USD, and a stunner model one for 200.

Outside Moscow (far away) until 2002-3 or so you could get a teeny beauty in your bed (unlimited sex) for 20 USD an hour, even less, or 100 USD a night.

What a pity!

IT

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1260430]Jake,

What are you saying? Are you saying that Elvis has left the building?

Say it isn't so![/QUOTE]I am afraid so. Flown the coop.

First of all, I am A Colonizer.

Secondly, the past time is past. You should think this situation in the past. When I had my opportunities in 2006 (my first time) , I had immediately recognized those. Unfortunately the Italian background and personal inexperience worked against me. Men here assign rates on women but they have no idea what is a 9 or a 10 about all features (age, beauty, technique, pigness, height, weight, family, ancestors, culture, languages, smartness, elegance, good-manner, sweetness and also a lot of bad habits). I had a very hard teaching with comparison to nobody here about hardcore prostitutes and their lovers / pimps.

Thirdly, that profile is fake for sure.

[QUOTE=It Travel; 1260481]May be Alconizer. But I have to travel to Moscow in any case so. Why not spending some time with a nice blondinka or brunetka?

Just for saying some words on tochka and other things.

In the early Nineties Moscow was like a sex Disneyland: when they just opened Night Flight (1991) you could get a night (maybe a day) from a normal, beautiful girl, for 100 USD, and a stunner model one for 200.

Outside Moscow (far away) until 2002-3 or so you could get a teeny beauty in your bed (unlimited sex) for 20 USD an hour, even less, or 100 USD a night.

What a pity!

IT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1260430]Jake,

What are you saying? Are you saying that Elvis has left the building?

Say it isn't so![/QUOTE]Strav. Clear some of your private messages. You have exceeded your limit and I cannot send you anymore PM's.

Oops, прошу прошение, ошибался (sorry, my mistake). Fire away mate!

[QUOTE=Passepartout; 1257412]Bulgakov,

Living here since 5 years I amy give you one or two advice that you may find useful.

Second, Rolling stones is in my opinion a good compromise between no severe doors control, accessible girl of an average / good looking. Maybe give a second chance to the club.

Third, there is a club called "Paris" if I remember well located inside the sad hermitage. Chances to score there are high, and no competition with 20 years old guys.

I've been on vacation, sorry for the late response. Thanks for the insight, except I think there is not competition with 20 year old guys. I get the impression that the women here like older, secure men which is why we have it made. And, yes, my best experience was at rolling stones but I had to leave early (1am) , so I will definitely try again. What about Soho Rooms? I met a younger dutch guy at penthouse who said soho and rolling stones were his favorites. He said he's fucked more girls in 4 months than in his previous 26 years of life, but I think he paid for all of them. I'll try Paris this weekend. I will try club 19 and aurora, too. Thanks. Lastly, I was thinking that a solution to face control might be to say "&1071; &1080; &1079; New York". I'm from Chicago, but they all know and love NYC, yes? Will this help? For next winter, I'll get a moncler jacket to replace the dorky northface I have now)

Hi Guys,

Going to be in Moscow last week of April.

Last time I stayed at the Marriot Tverskaya which is a pretty GF hotel, but alas this time they have only suites available, upwards of 500$.

I want to know if any of the following are as GF (no questions asked, no walk of shame) as the Marriot.

-Radisson Belarusskaya.

-Hilton Leningradskaya.

-The National.

Thanks in advance

Hello, all; I have just returned from a great trip touring the fkk clubs of germany in berlin, frankfurt and cologne. I am searching for a new exotic location at present. Moscow is in my eyes a great tourist destination void of gorgeous hunnies anyhow. I am fully aware of the Kiev Rio scene and the fact that moscow for the first time visitor is very expensive. However having visited fkk globe in zurich I have worked out that hour by hour the cost of a moscow club like aurora on an hourly basis is roughly the same as fkk globe. Both venues offering hunnies of exceptional quality. At the moment I am not considering Kiev as it is moscow I want to visit. I have also read (and seen the loft video) that I am more likely to find girls of exceptional quality by visiting moscow. I have read the forum in detail but I have a number of specific questions I could really do with some help with as I cannot find the answers. I also plan trips on a strict preset budget so this info would be essential for me if I do eventually visit moscow.

1) I am british born of egyptian parents so have a middle eastern appearance. I am very well groomed and of a nice nature. Would I pose any difficulties entering clubs such as aurora, penthouse, loft and so on?

2) I have read 12000 roubles is the price for 1 hour sex with a hunny is this the same for penthouse and loft. What I really need are exact prices here not rough estimates for the reasons previously stated. Also is there an entrance charge for the above clubs and how much is this and is there any pressure put on customers to buy drinks for girls or a table for eg? Ie if there is an entrance charge would this be the only extra apart from my drinks if I wanted to take a girl for an hour. Again sorry for the clinical examination here.

3) are the penthouse, loft and aurora the three most consistent clubs in moscow for the highest quality girls assuming that I only want to use strip clubs with an inhouse room as my only source of P4P taking into account I want the most beautiful girls and willl be new to moscow.

4) are there any clubs offering the same quality girls for say 9000 roubles / hour I have read maybe about a playboy club but not sure?

5) there is a lot of info request here but I believe a clued up "expert" could answer them in a couple of sentences and for me the response would be invaluable.

6) finally nille if you are out there try to help me for a change? I spent 3 hours typing up my fkk reports and have sent an email to Jackson to remove the name of you know who! LOL

[QUOTE=Mohab; 1268099]Hello, all; I have just returned from a great trip touring the fkk clubs of germany in berlin, frankfurt and cologne. I am searching for a new exotic location at present. Moscow is in my eyes a great tourist destination void of gorgeous hunnies anyhow. I am fully aware of the Kiev Rio scene and the fact that moscow for the first time visitor is very expensive. However having visited fkk globe in zurich I have worked out that hour by hour the cost of a moscow club like aurora on an hourly basis is roughly the same as fkk globe. Both venues offering hunnies of exceptional quality. At the moment I am not considering Kiev as it is moscow I want to visit. I have also read (and seen the loft video) that I am more likely to find girls of exceptional quality by visiting moscow. I have read the forum in detail but I have a number of specific questions I could really do with some help with as I cannot find the answers. I also plan trips on a strict preset budget so this info would be essential for me if I do eventually visit moscow.

1) I am british born of egyptian parents so have a middle eastern appearance. I am very well groomed and of a nice nature. Would I pose any difficulties entering clubs such as aurora, penthouse, loft and so on?

2) I have read 12000 roubles is the price for 1 hour sex with a hunny is this the same for penthouse and loft. What I really need are exact prices here not rough estimates for the reasons previously stated. Also is there an entrance charge for the above clubs and how much is this and is there any pressure put on customers to buy drinks for girls or a table for eg? Ie if there is an entrance charge would this be the only extra apart from my drinks if I wanted to take a girl for an hour. Again sorry for the clinical examination here.

3) are the penthouse, loft and aurora the three most consistent clubs in moscow for the highest quality girls assuming that I only want to use strip clubs with an inhouse room as my only source of P4P taking into account I want the most beautiful girls and willl be new to moscow.

4) are there any clubs offering the same quality girls for say 9000 roubles / hour I have read maybe about a playboy club but not sure?

5) there is a lot of info request here but I believe a clued up "expert" could answer them in a couple of sentences and for me the response would be invaluable.

6) finally nille if you are out there try to help me for a change? I spent 3 hours typing up my fkk reports and have sent an email to Jackson to remove the name of you know who! LOL[/QUOTE]Answers to above questions.

1. No, I don't believe so. Not in those places if you are dressed appropriately.

2. The going rate in Aurora 911 was $300 BEFORE Penthouse and Loft opened and that included the use of the "back room". Once PH and Loft opened things changed because technically as both PH and Loft now operate as hotels. In my mind, Aurora is still a bit of a mystery but I am sure they have an arrangement that includes a secret passage to a nearby hotel. This was done to solve the problem of these clubs getting raided by police. If you want to have onsite sex with a girl, you arrange to take her to a room in the hotel that is "next door". Therefore, the room rate is fixed and the girls rate is somewhat negotiable so things are not quite so clear as they once were with respect to prices. But to answer you question directly, yes. If you want on-site service you are looking at 12, 000 Rubles for the first hour.

3. These three are the most Western in terms of management. The girls are well behaved and security is excellent. And of course the quality is as good if not better than anything you will find anywhere else on this green earth. The fourth club in the group is Korston 911 which is located inside the Korston Hotel (see the pattern?). Don't forget to check out that one if you are looking for better prices and slightly more "low key" atmosphere. It's a bit out of the way but it's only a $15 cab ride from the center (15 Kosygin Street) so it's easily reachable. I know several local guys who prefer it to the other three.

4. 9,000 rubles? Most definitely, but here it gets a little less predictable and the quality is a little more hit and miss. Send me a PM and we can get into the details but if you are a first timer then I would stick with the "tier 1" places until your Russian is at the level where you can handle yourself in a heated discussion. But that's your call. Personally, I would say it's worth the extra $100 for peace of mind.

Mohab, you have just been on a tour in Germany (probably spend some money) , when are you planning to going Moscow.

Is it too early for you to ask questions again. Normally we ask questions when we are ready to go.

I've been to Aurora some week ago. The Loft has just opened when I was there but didn't have time to check it out, it's the same owner as Aurora and the girls might rotate between the clubs. Nice strip clubs, you need to pay for room+girl. Girls are friendly and nice, but costly. If you are charming, lucky and have money you might get her no. And meet her later.

Other cheaper options are salons and escorts.

I'll back in Moscow in some weeks I'll checkout the Loft.

[QUOTE=Mohab;1268099]Hello, all; I have just returned from a great trip touring the fkk clubs of germany in berlin, frankfurt and cologne. I am searching for a new exotic location at present. Moscow is in my eyes a great tourist destination void of gorgeous hunnies anyhow. I am fully aware of the Kiev Rio scene and the fact that moscow for the first time visitor is very expensive. However having visited fkk globe in zurich I have worked out that hour by hour the cost of a moscow club like aurora on an hourly basis is roughly the same as fkk globe. Both venues offering hunnies of exceptional quality. At the moment I am not considering Kiev as it is moscow I want to visit. I have also read (and seen the loft video) that I am more likely to find girls of exceptional quality by visiting moscow. I have read the forum in detail but I have a number of specific questions I could really do with some help with as I cannot find the answers. I also plan trips on a strict preset budget so this info would be essential for me if I do eventually visit moscow.[/QUOTE]Hi Mohab,

Do not go to Moscow for mongering. If tourism is your main purpose than go for it. It is a fantastic city with mega wealth, lots to see, and the most gorgeous women. But here are the problems. Russia is a tough country that made me feel isolated from the rest of the world. I had no friends there and the fear of loosing my passport weighed down on me. The city is a megopolis and traveling at night can be difficult because most cab drivers don't speak English. Face control at nightclubs is a real concern. The guy at Pacha faced me and hurt my feelings. Just kidding I have a thick skin. I had no problems at strip clubs which I did enjoy. Forget visiting apartments and salons without some fluency in the language. Hotel girls are an easy option but I never found one that I found attractive. Nightflight is too expensive.

The one positive that I will not forget is how easy it was to talk to women assuming they knew some English. They don't go on defense with foreigners like Kiev.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1268235]Do not go to Moscow for mongering. The city is a megopolis and traveling at night can be difficult because most cab drivers don't speak English. Face control at nightclubs is a real concern. The guy at Pacha faced me and hurt my feelings. Just kidding I have a thick skin. I had no problems at strip clubs which I did enjoy. Forget visiting apartments and salons without some fluency in the language. Hotel girls are an easy option but I never found one that I found attractive. Nightflight is too expensive.[/QUOTE]Basically I'd agree that this is not the optimal place for mongering. I've been at it in Asia for a long time and this cannot compare. I'm not into strip clubs, and sure as fuck not for several hundreds of bucks. However, as I'm here for a couple weeks on business, why not take a shot at some ladies? After all those long legs in short skirts walk by, your little brain forces you to try to shag one. I have one small bit of advice, and that's learn the cyrillic alphabet at least reasonably well before you come. Then you can use some copy and paste functionality with Google Translate and that can get you at least some introductions via manga (I have no association with that site, just been using it). When you get here, go to MTC and buy a prepaid SIM card. It includes 3G which is a huge benefit. I have an unlocked iPhone from Hong Kong for this purpose. :p

So from all my work to date, I've at least managed to get laid with one girl. She's a non-pro from out of town because her place somewhere is flooded out. Strangest night of my mongering career. With a decided lack of prudence, I embarked on the trip to her place, which was about 45 minutes away. Got a private car, not a taxi (which was cheaper anyhow) , so there I am riding across some town I don't know, where I can't speak the language, to find a girl who I don't know. She kept calling every 10 minutes asking where I am (do people expect you to be on time around here with THIS traffic?) , like I know where the fuck I am or as if I could tell her anyhow (she speaks just a little English). The guy drops me off at the edge of an apartment building with 15 cm deep water around almost like a moat. I call but the girl ain't answering and I'm wondering if I've made a critical error or not. She finally picks up and comes downstairs. Hmmm, about 10-15 kg more than the pics, but what the hell, here I am. Hahaha. In short, she was in the medical field so everything was covered. She kept swapping condoms all the time as if they disappear after 10 strokes or something. The muff was a bit on the smelly side so no option of DATY either. But she came twice though I could only manage one nut there. Fairly below-average sex in my book, but the evening had to rate a 10+ just for the cultural experience and see how folks live over here.

I also have an older woman I started seeing last night, also from mamba. She's quite slim and pretty for late 40's. Didn't manage to get her pants off last night, but will be seeing her for the weekend and that could prove lucrative. I don't think she's had sex in quite some time so once the gates are open I'm betting she'll be good to go for the rest of my stay here. If nothing else, I have an English-speaking friend who tells me a lot about life in Moscow and that's cool in its own right.

Do I recommend you work all this? Not really, but I'm underworked on this trip so I've had time to invest. Doubt that I'll ever get back over here so to me it's just trying to sample the wares a little bit. I'd studied Russian way back in college for a year, and can still read the language a bit, even if I don't know what it means. Not to sound naive, as there are certainly thugs around, but I don't find Moscow as inherently evil as some make it sound. I've gotten into several private cars when taxis are not available, and have found folks to be very nice on the whole. And having the address in Russian in the iPhone's Notes app makes that easy to show the driver so you don't need to explain how to get there. They know or have a GPS to find it.

Just a bit of my experience here in the capital for a week.

The Tanuki

[QUOTE=]I have also read (and seen the loft video) that I am more likely to find girls of exceptional quality by visiting moscow.[/QUOTE]Yep, very true but how are you going to filter out the ones that are beautiful on the outside and ugly on the inside? A super model is going to charge you $500 in that town and what's the point if you can't even talk to her. Your going to need to feel some of that hot Russian blooded emotion for that price. You don't want to be traveling Moscow for the robot sex of FKK.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1268270]You don't want to be traveling Moscow for the robot sex of FKK.[/QUOTE]Quite right. You will not find ANYTHING that compares with an FKK in Moscow. So many guys come here thinking that there might be a similar type of club here. Sorry dudes. It does not exist in Moscow. Having said that, you can easily recreate the same FKK atmosphere in a sauna, but that is going to cost some bucks and a little planning.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1268126]In my mind, Aurora is still a bit of a mystery but I am sure they have an arrangement that includes a secret passage to a nearby hotel. This was done to solve the problem of these clubs getting raided by police.[/QUOTE]Jake,

Do you honestly believe that the investors in a club like Aurora would begin operation without the blessing of the Moscow militsia (police)?

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1268235]Do not go to Moscow for mongering.[/QUOTE]OK, I'm sorry, but this conversation is getting way out of hand.

Moscow is actually a mongering paradise. IF you can speak and read Russian. The options for meeting women for sex are virtually unlimited, the prices are low (if not downright free) , and that is for some of the most beautiful women you will find anywhere in the world.

But you got to know the territory.

This is why we only hear from the clueless guys who have no idea what they are doing. We seldom hear from the guys who live there because they're too busy juggling all the babes.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1268612]But you got to know the territory.[/QUOTE]With all due respect Stravinsky, I shared my perspective from a complete newbie in Moscow as opposed to members with a comfort level. In that town, its not so easy for outsiders to access all the possibilities.

Hello. Can someone please tell me how far Nizhni Novgorod is from Moscow. I see it on the map, but it is hard to tell if it's a few hours train ride, many hours train ride, etc. Also, has anyone ever been there as an alternative to Big City Moscow? If so, would you go there again and / or recommend it? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1268612]Moscow is actually a mongering paradise. IF you can speak and read Russian. The options for meeting women for sex are virtually unlimited, the prices are low (if not downright free) , and that is for some of the most beautiful women you will find anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]Amen to that. But I'd disagree on the Russian speaking matter. A guy with "game", poise, self-confidence and cultural awareness, and with the right dressing style, can do wonders in Moscow even without speaking Russian.

[QUOTE=Chill Bill;1268707]Hello. Can someone please tell me how far Nizhni Novgorod is from Moscow. I see it on the map, but it is hard to tell if it's a few hours train ride, many hours train ride, etc. Also, has anyone ever been there as an alternative to Big City Moscow? If so, would you go there again and / or recommend it? Thanks![/QUOTE]Haven't visited yet but it's approx 7 hours by train from Moscow...

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1268617]With all due respect Stravinsky, I shared my perspective from a complete newbie in Moscow as opposed to members with a comfort level. In that town, its not so easy for outsiders to access all the possibilities.[/QUOTE]I know, and I don't disagree with you. I just wanted to balance the conversation with a different perspective.

All of us agree with you. In fact that is seduction, that isn't mongering or P4P. It is important to repeat that difference. I think when somebody says "Moscow is not for mongering.", he says a big truth, because Moscow is for regular fucking relationships. In fact in Moscow I fucked more normal girls than prostitutes. Prostitutes in central Moscow are expensive and dangerous as I reported in my past posts.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1268612]This is why we only hear from the clueless guys who have no idea what they are doing. We seldom hear from the guys who live there because they're too busy juggling all the babes.[/QUOTE]

I have come to a quick conclusion that 1) moscow is great for sightseeing) way overpriced for p4p so after having done 8 fkk trips I will continue to search for a "different" experience something more adventurous."seek and ye shall find".

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1269129]Prostitutes in central Moscow are expensive and dangerous as I reported in my past posts.[/QUOTE]I hate to burst your bubble Aco, but you are completely clueless when it comes to Moscow and Russia; freebies, P4P, or otherwise. That's no opinion, it can be easily determined from reading all your silly posts over the past years.

Hi folks,

I am planning to visit moscow end of the month and I am RTFFing. I read about a year's worth of posts. Searched rusdosug and am clicking through the map. I speak no Russian. Only English, spanish and a tiny bit of french. Cannot afford the prices in aurora911 etc.

Some questions for you.

1. There is something called the edem that has convenient directions. It says massage and 1hr for 50$s. Is this for everything including FS? Or the S is extra?

2. There is a similar place called adrenaline massage that says the same thing for 70$s. What about this one?

3. The indies have prices for incall and outcall which sometimes seem to be the same. I thought that outcall would be more? Some do have no outcalls for 1hr or higher price for 1hr outcall.

4. Safer to get outcall vs go visit them?

5. How important is it to have a phone?

6. In one case I saw a comment on the site that I found on the place where it says girls with same phone number there is said (when looking at 81193's profile)."there are 10 girls at this location. Be careful, it maybe a salon or a club" what is there to be careful about in salons?

Thanks for your help. I will post a guide to newbies like me.

Adventur

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1269586]I hate to burst your bubble Aco, but you are completely clueless when it comes to Moscow and Russia; freebies, P4P, or otherwise. That's no opinion, it can be easily determined from reading all your silly posts over the past years.[/QUOTE]Come on you guys, just stop it.

[QUOTE=Adventur; 1269624]Hi folks,

I am planning to visit moscow end of the month and I am RTFFing. I read about a year's worth of posts. Searched rusdosug and am clicking through the map. I speak no Russian. Only English, spanish and a tiny bit of french. Cannot afford the prices in aurora911 etc.

Some questions for you.

1. There is something called the edem that has convenient directions. It says massage and 1hr for 50$s. Is this for everything including FS? Or the S is extra?

2. There is a similar place called adrenaline massage that says the same thing for 70$s. What about this one?

3. The indies have prices for incall and outcall which sometimes seem to be the same. I thought that outcall would be more? Some do have no outcalls for 1hr or higher price for 1hr outcall.

4. Safer to get outcall vs go visit them?

5. How important is it to have a phone?

6. In one case I saw a comment on the site that I found on the place where it says girls with same phone number there is said (when looking at 81193's profile)."there are 10 girls at this location. Be careful, it maybe a salon or a club" what is there to be careful about in salons?

Thanks for your help. I will post a guide to newbies like me.

Adventur[/QUOTE]Answers:

1. These are massage parlors. Some have FS some do not. And it's extra.

2. Same as above. There are about a 1, 000 massage parlors in Moscow.

3. If varies depending on the girl. Some feel safe to venture out and some like to do business on their own turf. And it also depends on whether they are independent or work out of a "working apartment". No hard and fast rules.

4. Safety is relative. Varies according to the girl. In many cases she is just as afraid for her own safety as you are for yours. In general, Moscow is a very safe city if you stick to busy areas. Because it is a cash based society, people walk around with hundred and even thousands of dollar equivalent currency on their person. Once in a while people do get mugged so you need to be aware of your surroundings. But the days of rampant petty crime and generally a thing of the past.

5. You NEED to buy a local SIM card. You can get one anywhere including the airport. Otherwise it's impossible to communicate. Girls will not return the call of a foreign cell phone. Just remember that the local cell network is 900 MHz / 1800 MHz (just like Europe) so if you are form the USA you need a quad band phone or you need to purchase a cheap phone in Moscow. Cheap phone plus SIM card with plenty of time on it will cost you $60. Good investment.

6. There is nothing wrong with a salon. But the girl will not leave with you. She will conduct business on site. But are good salons and not so good salons. The better ones are as safe as your own home with high security. The girls go to great lengths to control the traffic in the halls going to and from the bathroom. You will never run into another client in the hall. The biggest risk in a salon is getting your belongings stolen. It's rare but it happens. Stick to the better quality places while you are new to Moscow and you will be just fine. Remember. These are BUSINESSES. And when customers get ripped off it's BAD FOR BUSINESS. These places rely on word of mouth referrals and want you to have a positive experience. Just relax and use common sense. And if you don't speak Russian just be patient, don't raise your voice, and smile. It will all work out. They want your money just as badly as you want to get laid.

I've long heard tales of the joys of Russian women. Some of that was from our friend Pizdyets who I know from his visit to China in the past. I'm happy to report on my own success that just sort of fell into my lap. We started the contact via mamba, and she asked early if I want to meet. The first evening, as noted before, was a very pleasant time but ended with just a brief kiss. Then we had Saturday night which was way more fun. We had some Pakistani food and a couple bottles of wine, then went to the Petrovich club as she said it was this funky old place that's really crazy. It's a members only place but she has the card so no problem. This club is down below ground and has all sorts of odd shit decorating it. Maybe Tim Burton's decorator worked it. Anyhow it's very local and friendly. We'd already eaten, but the food there looked pretty good. There's a simple wood platform in the middle of the place and just after midnight a lady kind of formally opened up the dancing. Natasha and I settled back to watch a while. The DJ played an eclectic mix of Russian and western tunes, and people all started getting into the dance scene. Most folks were quite drunk and funny to watch. Then we joined in on stage which was crowded as hell by that time. Never seen a place where everybody was just having fun and falling down drunk and all that. There were a number of single girls starting to show up later, and Natasha said they come for the sex. A guy I met who spoke English validated that. I'd recommend going there on a Saturday sometime. Probably 10-12 girls hanging out and most were 6-8 with a couple of 9's in there. If I wasn't ready to get into Natasha's skirt so badly I would've taken a shot. But she was wearing a very short skirt that had been driving me crazy all night, and no way was I giving up on that one.

As the dancing continued Natasha started laying these hot sweaty kisses on me, and she'd grind her ass on my cock and give it a touch with her hands sometimes. Woo Hoo! It turned out she hadn't had sex in 2 years (as I'd suspected) and damn if she didn't unloose the fuck gods on me! Not a pube in sight on that waxed-clean little pizda, and the Y was very tasty dining for sure. We had 4 rounds before she finally pulled away around noon on Sunday. She took me to her apartment for awhile because her mom had some trouble. There were pictures of her in her 20's around. Gawd was a total stunner she was then. Wish I could've met her back in those days, and she's still good looking now, but a bit on the high maintenance side (my credit cards are taking a hit here.). Last night after kicking around awhile she wanted me to take her to Aurora 911 as it's just across the street. First time ever that I've taken a woman to a strip club. She cost more than me to get in. Go figure. The ladies there are quite beautiful, I'll admit, but that kind of environment just isn't my cup of tea. So we drank a bottle of wine, watched and compared the dancers and left. Natasha did tell me she was feeling a little jealous when I looked at the naked babes. Well, what did she expect? Haha.

I finally get some time to recover and let my "hoi" rest up now, as I have work for the afternoon. See you at Petrovich this Saturday?

The Tanuki

Adventur,

Very few of the massage parlors in Moscow offer full service. Of course, anything is possible, but it's best not to count on it. The only places I've found that offer full service are [url]www.erotic-massage.ru[/url] And it's sister sites, [url]www.pussycats.ru[/url] And [url]www.crazy-horse.ru.[/url] The girls at these sites are professionals (some have been working there for several years) and they know their business.

Most of the other massage parlors rely on girls who just arrived in town or who live in Moscow and fallen on hard times, single mothers, etc. They're nice, but they are not really committed to the business and have no interest in providing full service. Generally speaking.

If a girl is based in an apartment, then her outcall price will usually be based in 2 hours, not 1, because of travel time. There are girls who offer only outcall and their prices tend to be a little less, simply because they have no fixed costs.

After having spent many hours trudging around Moscow, only to be disappointed that the girl at the door was not, entirely, the girl in the photo, I've come to the conclusion that outcall is the best way to go. If the girl at your door is not what you expected you can simply bid her farewell and the joke's on her.

Many times several girls will go in together on an apartment and share it. In that case it's not unusual for them to post pictures of the hottest girl (s) to get you in, and then tell you,"Well, Oksana's not here today, but Lena and Nadya are." Lena and Nadya could be babes, or goblins. That's why the local guys are a little suspicious when they see several girls advertising with the same phone number. It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you will get.

It's not a safety issue.

[QUOTE=The Tanuki; 1269751]It's a members only place but she has the card so no problem. This club is down below ground and has all sorts of odd shit decorating it. Maybe Tim Burton's decorator worked it. Anyhow it's very local and friendly. We'd already eaten, but the food there looked pretty good. There's a simple wood platform in the middle of the place and just after midnight a lady kind of formally opened up the dancing. Natasha and I settled back to watch a while. The DJ played an eclectic mix of Russian and western tunes, and people all started getting into the dance scene. Most folks were quite drunk and funny to watch. Then we joined in on stage which was crowded as hell by that time. Never seen a place where everybody was just having fun and falling down drunk and all that. There were a number of single girls starting to show up later, and Natasha said they come for the sex.

The Tanuki[/QUOTE]Dude. Did you not get the memo? Petrovich is supposed to be a secret! Ha ha ha! Seriously, you have uncovered one of the best amateur pick up spots in Moscow for the late 20's to mid 30's age range. The trick of course is to get a membership. See you Saturday!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1270161]Dude. Did you not get the memo? Petrovich is supposed to be a secret! Ha ha ha! Seriously, you have uncovered one of the best amateur pick up spots in Moscow for the late 20's to mid 30's age range. The trick of course is to get a membership. See you Saturday![/QUOTE]Fuck, the memo was in my other inbox. Sorry about that. Well, at least I don't have to get my own card. Hehehe.

The Tanuki

The most important thing in life is how to spend money and which result gets by money. All the rest are fairy tales. If men are happy to pay billions dollars for normal sex, I never want to be one of them.

I read your post "We seldom hear from the guys who live there because they're too busy juggling all the babes." I hope you meant "they're too busy because they fuck regular girls everyday (with no P4P)." It is my opinion, it is not a real man who to pay high prices for simple sex.

Moreover there is a huge trouble connected to that way to be a prostitute monger: billions dollars go to criminal organizations. Therefore, on the one side, people pay billions dollars in taxes, because their governments fight criminal organizations; on the other side, people pay billions dollars in prostitutes, because criminal organizations spread drugs and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].

I never want to be one of them.

I am ready to update my mindset with your help, when I shall come to Moscow again.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1269586]I hate to burst your bubble Aco, but you are completely clueless when it comes to Moscow and Russia; freebies, P4P, or otherwise. That's no opinion, it can be easily determined from reading all your silly posts over the past years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1270265]I read your post "We seldom hear from the guys who live there." I hope you meant "they're too busy because they fuck regular girls everyday (with no P4P)."[/QUOTE]Aco. As a Moscow resident let me assure you this is EXACTLY why you don't hear much from us. Let me put this in the simplest possible terms. If you live here, there is absolutely no reason that you would NEED to pay for sex. There are plenty of women in Moscow who are under served and welcome the opportunity for sex. Even with foreigners. Having said that, there are plenty of reasons why some local residents prefer to pay for sex but that's not what's at issue. AND, just because you don't pay for sex it doesn't mean that it's free. If you catch my meaning. To quote the late great Pizdyets,"Just because you don't pay for pussy, doesn't mean it's free".

I have been going to Kiev for five years now and I thought you London to Moscow mongers interested in trying a new location might like to swop some summary info. To save wading through all the irrelevant chat. I fly from Luton to Kiev direct. Easy flight times available and about three hours, and I usually get a return fare or about £120 if I choose my dates carefully. I stay at the Partner guest house which is central and near convenient eateries and supermarket. They arrange pick up from airport. It's discreet with own security entrance, clean and modern. Perfect for mongering about £65/$100 per night if you choose dates carefully. I go to the Red Lion strip club on Kreschatic street straight away. Main drag. Has web site for directions. It's in easy walking distance . Opens at 10pm . Entry fee of £10. On the first night and I usually pop a viagra and find a take out girl after a series of erotic dances there for 50 grievnas (£5) each. You can get a blow job in the back I think, but I never tried. I pay around £100 for an hour with a girl. There are agencies you can ring for girls of standard appearance. Eg 'Gia' but you miss the excitement of trolling in the main drag where if you stay long enough and have the courage to approach you can pick up a loose woman outside McDonalds. On day two I recover from the viagra hangover and take it easy with a swim at Premier Palace health spa. Hugely expensive day membership of £40 but a treat. In the afternoon I use 'Dolly salon' and 'Rakuena' massage call outs. They will send a girl for a kissing and hand job massage but no sex. Don't bother trying. I have tried money / everything and doesn't work. But girls young and pretty and good company and you can get a 'lesbi-massage' which is fun to watch, although mainly play acting. You can get a girl round from 'Mamba' dating site for cheap prices from £60 up and will be ok looking but not the advertised girl. But you can exchange messages with the agency / pimp before you leave to settle prices and get contact numbers. I just go for three or four days each time to get it out of my system so I don't have time to explore much. If you hang around nearby Arena City complex near the appt at night I am sure you can get a street girl. Kiev girls are mainly lovely but I would like to try Moscow which has an even better reputation. If somebody can write me a similar itinerary I would be grateful, ie where to stay that's decent and secure and clean straight from the airport and where to go or which agency to use. There's too much waffle here and life's too short for detail.

Regards . The limarian.

Regards

Please, enlight me. Everything in life has a price. But there is a big difference between a vodka together and a 100$ for a quickie. Moreover there is a whole world in the middle between occasional tourists and resident men in former USSR. Therefore it is necessary to keep clear those differences. Instead here people usually make a soup of everything. Thanks for the patience. Smile.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1270567]Aco. As a Moscow resident let me assure you this is EXACTLY why you don't hear much from us. Let me put this in the simplest possible terms. If you live here, there is absolutely no reason that you would NEED to pay for sex. There are plenty of women in Moscow who are under served and welcome the opportunity for sex. Even with foreigners. Having said that, there are plenty of reasons why some local residents prefer to pay for sex but that's not what's at issue. AND, just because you don't pay for sex it doesn't mean that it's free. If you catch my meaning. To quote the late great Pizdyets,"Just because you don't pay for pussy, doesn't mean it's free".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jake993;1270567]Aco. As a Moscow resident let me assure you this is EXACTLY why you don't hear much from us. Let me put this in the simplest possible terms. If you live here, there is absolutely no reason that you would NEED to pay for sex. There are plenty of women in Moscow who are under served and welcome the opportunity for sex. Even with foreigners. Having said that, there are plenty of reasons why some local residents prefer to pay for sex but that's not what's at issue. AND, just because you don't pay for sex it doesn't mean that it's free. If you catch my meaning. To quote the late great Pizdyets,"Just because you don't pay for pussy, doesn't mean it's free".[/QUOTE]As a first timer only here on business for a couple weeks, I couldn't agree more. And part of the reason why it's not so easy to post a lot is because these women fuck so good there's no strength left for ISG. I haven't had much sleep since my lady started jumping me last Saturday. For my part, I'm not interested in the mechanical sex of a working girl (that's a common observation of Russian girls outside of this land, not just my experience) when a freebie will fuck me blind. But make no mistake, this freebie requires a lot of maintenance, as noted above. There's no question of who pays for EVERYTHING. I may be in bankruptcy court by the time I get home but right now who cares? :p

The Tanuki

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1270265]The most important thing in life is how to spend money and which result gets by money. All the rest are fairy tales. If men are happy to pay billions dollars for normal sex, I never want to be one of them.[/QUOTE]Well, I think there are more important things in life than how to spend money.

Why are you so obsessed with P4P? All sex must be paid for, in one way or another. If some guy chooses to make the transaction simple and pay cash money, then why should this be a problem for you? What's with the billions of dollars? I have never met any working girl in Moscow who was a drug addict, or, at least, did not appear to be one. I'm sure they exist, but you will need to make an effort to search them out.

I originally responded to your statement that,"Prostitutes in central Moscow are expensive and dangerous as I reported in my past posts." The going rate for full service sex in Moscow is about 3, 000 rubles / hour, which is roughly 100 USD. Do you think 100 USD is expensive? If that's true, then I certainly don't want to be hanging out with you. It is possible to find women who will do the deed for less than that, but I personally wouldn't have the stomach for it.

And where did you get the idea that Moscow is dangerous? I don't feel any more threatened walking around central Moscow than I would mid-town Manhattan, or any other major world capital. And I certainly have never had a problem with any transaction that I've had with a working girl in Moscow. But then, I don't walk around with your attitude. Maybe it's something about the way you deal with people that causes problems for you?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1270648]And where did you get the idea that Moscow is dangerous? I don't feel any more threatened walking around central Moscow than I would mid-town Manhattan, or any other major world capital. And I certainly have never had a problem with any transaction that I've had with a working girl in Moscow. But then, I don't walk around with your attitude. Maybe it's something about the way you deal with people that causes problems for you?[/QUOTE]I never felt in danger in Moscow, only intimidated because it was my first visit to a world that was not Western. As soon as I get a solid foundation in kindergarten Russian, I would like to return.

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1270594]Please, enlight me. Everything in life has a price. But there is a big difference between a vodka together and a 100$ for a quickie. Moreover there is a whole world in the middle between occasional tourists and resident men in former USSR. Therefore it is necessary to keep clear those differences. Instead here people usually make a soup of everything. Thanks for the patience. Smile.[/QUOTE]Aco. You bring up an EXCELLENT point. Let me expand on what I meant by my statement about some guys who prefer to pay for sex. I have local Russian friends and colleagues who visit girls in working apartments on a regular basis. For local Muscovites, this seems to be the favored method. Some go back to the same girl every week and others prefer to mix it up a little. Either way, these guys (who are married with families) don't get what they need at home and prefer the uncomplicated nature of visiting a working girl in her apartment. No fuss, no muss, no drama. Wham, Bam, Thank you Ma'am. He goes home for dinner with the family with a big smile on his face. To him, it's money well spent.

Could he go to a bar and pick up a freebie girl for sex? Absolutely. Could he develop a relationship with a girl who he could maintain as his mistress? Undoubtedly. But he does not because his life is complicated enough with his wife, two kids and mother-in-law (who lives with them in his 100 sq meter flat) to worry about the hassle and energy (no to mention expense) required to keep a girlfriend. For him, P4P serves a purpose and is good value for Ruble.

Now, Russians with big bucks will have a girl they sponsor. They will pay her rent and give her money for clothes, makeup, etc. It's not prostitution STRICTLY speaking but let's not fool ourselves about the nature of the relationship. She's basically on call to fuck him whenever he wants her to. After a hard day at the investment bank, he calls her up, maybe takes her to dinner and then takes her back to her place and pounds her silly. Of course, when he tires of her he just throws her back and picks out a newer model.

Now take me. I am foreign, speak reasonable Russian, I live alone and have a comfortable amount of disposable income and plenty of free time. For me, it's infinitely more interesting to play the game of meeting girls, seducing them and getting them into bed. Sure, I could pay for it. And when I was coming to Moscow for only a week or two at a time I DID pay for it. I HAD to pay for it because I did not have the time to invest to playing the game to meet and woo these girls. And trust me, if you have your sights set on screwing a freebie girl 25. 30 years younger than you are you NEED to invest some time.

omg i know very well everything you wrote! it seems i write the same matters but in an aseptic way to understand. i think i made some more steps than most men.

one more step is about socalled "wife" (for the conformist western consumism). you have rightly written about wives. when wives don't behave like women after marriage, then this is the main problem. also women like a lot of sex. russian women want much more sex than other women. when russian wives change their behaviour for their own convenience (of course) , then russian husbands could change woman the day after. in fact, until some years ago, divorces were very easy and they were about 66% of marriages. therefore i think socalled "wives" should not be a problem in former ussr. i think it is an excuse in that case because men would like to have a harem with at least four horny wives. therefore men add mistakes to mistakes and they complicate their own lives.

moreover we are talking about old-style relationships viewed by an old-style point of view. in fact i see the male / female relationships of new generations are changing in western world and i see ****d girls behave as the horniest russians. unfortunately, they are too young for us.

here all of us could write and write again infinite reasons and opinions, most of them are lies to ourselves. but everything written in this forum about females, women and prostitutes, is summarized by two witty italian sayings:

- 1.

oh, my friend, in the world there are two categories of women only: the flying women and the bitches.

(the friend) really?

yes. did you ever see any woman who flies?

(the friend) no, i never saw that.

oh, but then all of them are just bitches!

- 2.

there is one woman by whom a man gets children, and there are all of rest women in the world by whom a man gets filthy sex.

[quote=jake993; 1270963]aco. you bring up an excellent point. let me expand on what i meant by my statement about some guys who prefer to pay for sex. i have local russian friends and colleagues who visit girls in working apartments on a regular basis. for local muscovites, this seems to be the favored method. some go back to the same girl every week and others prefer to mix it up a little. either way, these guys (who are married with families) don't get what they need at home and prefer the uncomplicated nature of visiting a working girl in her apartment. no fuss, no muss, no drama. wham, bam, thank you ma'am. he goes home for dinner with the family with a big smile on his face. to him, it's money well spent.

could he go to a bar and pick up a freebie girl for sex? absolutely. could he develop a relationship with a girl who he could maintain as his mistress? undoubtedly. but he does not because his life is complicated enough with his wife, two kids and mother-in-law (who lives with them in his 100 sq meter flat) to worry about the hassle and energy (no to mention expense) required to keep a girlfriend. for him, p4p serves a purpose and is good value for ruble.

now, russians with big bucks will have a girl they sponsor. they will pay her rent and give her money for clothes, makeup, etc. it's not prostitution strictly speaking but let's not fool ourselves about the nature of the relationship. she's basically on call to fuck him whenever he wants her to. after a hard day at the investment bank, he calls her up, maybe takes her to dinner and then takes her back to her place and pounds her silly. of course, when he tires of her he just throws her back and picks out a newer model.

now take me. i am foreign, speak reasonable russian, i live alone and have a comfortable amount of disposable income and plenty of free time. for me, it's infinitely more interesting to play the game of meeting girls, seducing them and getting them into bed. sure, i could pay for it. and when i was coming to moscow for only a week or two at a time i did pay for it. i had to pay for it because i did not have the time to invest to playing the game to meet and woo these girls. and trust me, if you have your sights set on screwing a freebie girl 25. 30 years younger than you are you need to invest some time.[/quote]

Russian men don't dally because their not getting any at home. They do it because: Feeling age creep up, dally with a younger woman and feel the years disappear; finally successful financially, dally with those blondes who used to give you the finger when you looked at them or whom you ignored during your work till you drop years; Nouveau riche, already travel, new car, jewelry, nice clothes, but wait! Disposable income = multitudes of young women. Russian men shack up with younger girls because they can and because it strokes their ego, which makes them normal men."Not getting any at home" is just the myth that men have created to justify their actions. What do Russian men like? They like driving by a bus stop in their Mercedes and rolling down the window and checking out a gorgeous girl, probably in University. 18-22, inviting her to come chat, inviting her into the car. That feeling of POWER. Arguably better than actual sex.

People forgot I got experience directly from the inside life of two hardcore prostitutes.

In few words:

- yes. 100$ for pussy condomed fucking / first hour is expensive, because the same young and sweet girl receives 30 cm ass fisting by a filthy elder for the same price / first hour. Men should decide: is that a Lada car with the price of a BMW car, or is that a BMW car with the price of a Lada car? This applies to Moscow and any other big towns in the world. And more expensive doesn't always mean more quality at all!

- the price inflation in sex market is a problem for all men, or don't you mind to pay 1000$ tomorrow instead of 100$ of today?

- "I have never met any working girl in Moscow who was a drug addict, or, at least, did not appear to be one." Try to guess (and I see with my own eyes) , if they are Oscar award actresses about contracting the muscles in simulated orgasms, how many probabilities can they act as two or three different women with two or three different lives?

- about the danger, I haven't talked in general, I have reported which type of danger I found in Moscow and specifically in "salons". Anyway, a common sense in travelling is always wise.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1270648]Well, I think there are more important things in life than how to spend money.

Why are you so obsessed with P4P? All sex must be paid for, in one way or another. If some guy chooses to make the transaction simple and pay cash money, then why should this be a problem for you? What's with the billions of dollars? I have never met any working girl in Moscow who was a drug addict, or, at least, did not appear to be one. I'm sure they exist, but you will need to make an effort to search them out.

I originally responded to your statement that,"Prostitutes in central Moscow are expensive and dangerous as I reported in my past posts." The going rate for full service sex in Moscow is about 3, 000 rubles / hour, which is roughly 100 USD. Do you think 100 USD is expensive? If that's true, then I certainly don't want to be hanging out with you. It is possible to find women who will do the deed for less than that, but I personally wouldn't have the stomach for it.

And where did you get the idea that Moscow is dangerous? I don't feel any more threatened walking around central Moscow than I would mid-town Manhattan, or any other major world capital. And I certainly have never had a problem with any transaction that I've had with a working girl in Moscow. But then, I don't walk around with your attitude. Maybe it's something about the way you deal with people that causes problems for you?[/QUOTE]

I am thinking of going to Russia this summer for some mongering. I hear a perception that black guys are not welcome. Is that true. How would a black american be treated? Would the girls go with me, Is it dangerous? Thaks for the info.

Jayhighfive

[QUOTE=JayHighFive; 1271810]I am thinking of going to Russia this summer for some mongering. I hear a perception that black guys are not welcome. Is that true. How would a black american be treated? Would the girls go with me, Is it dangerous? Thaks for the info.

Jayhighfive[/QUOTE]Black is black!

Dangerous? I believe the girls think black guys are dangerous.

What is your plan? Escort, freebies or pick up pro at the clubs?

I think you have better chances if you can talk to the girls first,

So they can feel comfortable with you. (They don't speak much English, though)

[QUOTE=JayHighFive; 1271810]I am thinking of going to Russia this summer for some mongering. I hear a perception that black guys are not welcome. Is that true. How would a black american be treated? Would the girls go with me, Is it dangerous? Thaks for the info.

Jayhighfive[/QUOTE]I saw a few in Moscow. Do not expect any political correctness. As long as you do not go into gopnick rural areas and follow the rules, you will be find. Now Jay, we both know that no matter where you go in the world, there will be women looking for black meat.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1271869]I saw a few in Moscow. Do not expect any political correctness. As long as you do not go into gopnick rural areas and follow the rules, you will be find. Now Jay, we both know that no matter where you go in the world, there will be women looking for black meat.[/QUOTE]You should be fun. Climaxnow right do not expect political correctness from Russian people but at the same time you will meet a couple great ones after drink.

Use caution as in any other place. Let us know how it went.

Thanks guys. So you guys don't think I will have problems with meeting the girls. In general the working girls will fuck me?

[QUOTE=Rediska; 1271876]You should be fun. Climaxnow right do not expect political correctness from Russian people but at the same time you will meet a couple great ones after drink.

Use caution as in any other place. Let us know how it went.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JayHighFive;1271964]In general the working girls will fuck me?[/QUOTE]About working girls, keep in mind that prostitutes in FSU often have the worst traits of P4P. Rather cold, arrogant and full of themselves.

It's not to discourage you, but if you go in Moscow solely to fuck hoes, you're all wrong. Go in a German FKK, there is tons of slayou'll save money and you will not have through all the hurdles that implies a trip to Russia.