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[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I have met girls having a period that were so rank, while still fully clothed, that I almost feinted.[/QUOTE]Mick, how many times Have I told you to stay off the Calcutta Streets?
Serioulsy, your comment grossed me out, she would smell while fully clothed? wow!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Mick, how many times Have I told you to stay off the Calcutta Streets?
Serioulsy, your comment grossed me out, she would smell while fully clothed? wow![/QUOTE]
One was Farang, and another was half Thai - half Jamaican (so she said).
As I said, I am very sensitive to strong body odours, and some people sure have it.
But a bit of blood from a period suddenly arriving unexpectedly doesn't freak me out if there is no stink.
I told a work mate he was a "bit on the nose" at times once (actually he was putrid at times), and all this summer he has been fantastically improved. All my work mates have congratulated me for having the balls to tell him. Don't know what action he took, but improvement has been massive.
[quote=jungle bluebird]but, are some women blessed with a more neutral odor than others?jb[/quote]
try this experiment: go out and eat a pound of asparagus. tomorrow, give your [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] a sniff.
a healthy vagina will smell very much like what the woman eats. if she eats a lot of spicy curry, so will you.
neutral? what you find neutral, a thai man mind find tasteless.
hey, it works two ways, you know: when your lady deigns to a cim experience, she'll find it tastes a lot like stale beer and cigarettes. good reasons to quit smoking and tank up on oj.
had a girlfriend in new york once. almost every week we'd go out for thai food. probably how i grew to have a taste for day-old panaeng muu!
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Some of my GFs had no detectable odour when it was their period. On the other hand I have met girls having a period that were so rank, while still fully clothed, that I almost feinted.
Does a foul smell during a period mean something is drastically wrong?[/QUOTE]
Well, Mick, I'm not a gynecologist or an endocrinologist. Just an enthusiastic GP. But I can tell you this: when the period arrives or when they ovulate, women's hormones undergo some major, rapid changes. Personally, I am very sensitive to the ketones many women produce when they ovulate. I can smell their breath a block away! Healthy women produce a whole range of volatile chemicals that are expelled in their breath. Perhaps this is what you're smelling.
Other than that, I wrote earlier about the effects of diet on the odors. Many women get cravings during their cycles and quite a few forget to keep drinking fluids. So, if you get a strong smell from foods eaten and combine it with concentration of the fluids from minor dehydration, you could get some nasty smells without being sick.
However, so strong you nearly fainted just standing nearby? Do you know for a fact she didn't smell equally bad a week earlier? Sounds like a hygiene problem to me.
[QUOTE=Animby]Well, Mick, I'm not a gynecologist or an endocrinologist. Just an enthusiastic GP. But I can tell you this: when the period arrives or when they ovulate, women's hormones undergo some major, rapid changes. Personally, I am very sensitive to the ketones many women produce when they ovulate. I can smell their breath a block away! Healthy women produce a whole range of volatile chemicals that are expelled in their breath. Perhaps this is what you're smelling.
Other than that, I wrote earlier about the effects of diet on the odors. Many women get cravings during their cycles and quite a few forget to keep drinking fluids. So, if you get a strong smell from foods eaten and combine it with concentration of the fluids from minor dehydration, you could get some nasty smells without being sick.
However, so strong you nearly fainted just standing nearby? Do you know for a fact she didn't smell equally bad a week earlier? Sounds like a hygiene problem to me.[/QUOTE]
Well no. These girls were normally smelling nice.
I was even dating one of them. But when I went to help her with her computer program (uni student many years ago) she seemed to have a powerful abnormal smell (she was wearing jeans which was unusual for her - normally dresses). It was not not oral and I assumed it was a bad period smell coming from the pussy. Not a garlic or under-arm type of smell but quite bad.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker](...many years ago) she seemed to have a powerful abnormal smell (she was wearing jeans which was unusual for her - normally dresses). It was not not oral and I assumed it was a bad period smell coming from the pussy. Not a garlic or under-arm type of smell but quite bad.[/QUOTE]
You the really nice thing about being a doctor? You can ask people about these things and, if you do it with some discretion, no one cares. However, for me to make a diagnosis years later, over the internet from an observer (as opposed to the individual) is nigh on impossible. You've made it worse, though. This smell came THROUGH her jeans? Yikes.
I'm betting it was not her period you were smelling but either a vaginal yeast infection or possibly an intestinal amoebic infection.
In either case, I'm betting she's better by now. You should look her up.
Animby;
Hello Dr. Friend. Heh.
Why not bacterial vaginosis? It far outstrips yeast in frequency and has a very distinct 'fishy' smell. Intestinal amoeba would be way down on the list as it would present differently (lots of abdominal symptoms and diarrheah).
Not saying anyone has, but don't confuse vaginosis with an STD. They can occur for a variety of reasons, any of which disrupt the natural vaginal flora.
Gotta get a diagnosis as treating it incorrectly (say treating it as yeast but it's bacterial) is a terrible idea as it will make it worse.
Hitting them both at once and hoping you knock it out is a less bad idea but still bad. You don't want to mess the 'good' bacterial in the vag any more than you have to. Diagnosis takes a few minutes in the right lab.
Conjecture on this stuff drives me batty. "Pharmacists" in Thailand know jack all about disease or diagnosis. Anyone can be an antiobiotic dispenser.
Dr. K
I have a regular gf in Bangkok, who was introduced by a mutual friend. Both are straight regular Thai women. My gf, Miss T, comes from a middle class family, and does not need money from me. However, I have funded her for some English classes. She has a regular job that enables her to pay her bills. I have visited her family, and they are pretty well off, nice house, good business, couple of trucks, couple of cars etc. Miss T shares a house with her friend, Miss U. Miss T also has two other close friends, Miss V and Miss W.
I had met Miss U and Miss V last time I was in Thailand, and I thought that they were pretty well off, both had falang bf, and were independent. Well, that is what I thought, but I know a bit more now.
Miss U had an American bf. She became pregnant some time ago, in March 2007, and the baby was born in December. She says, and I assumed that he was the father, but I can not be sure now. He found her in a karaoke bar, barfined her, and eventually pulled her out of the bar and set her up with a regular allowance. He is about to cut the allowance next month. I tell her that she can follow through with this through the American Embassy, and register the baby as an American citizen, but she will not, which makes me think that maybe the kid is not his, and maybe she was having it off with at least one other falang at the time.
I also believe that she was having other customers while her US bf was not there, and while she was pregnant, possibly right up to September.
When the allowance stops, Miss U plans to go to work in a bar, as a regular bargirl, like before. Meanwhile, she spends all night trawling the net for foreigners, but doesn’t seem to follow through to form any sort of meaningful base for communication, and in the end, they stop. I shot some very complimentary photos, which have increased the number of hits she gets substantially, but nothing seems to have come of it.
Miss V is tall, slim, intelligent, articulate and glamorous. She is studying IT. She has a well respected falang bf, with whom she has lived for quite some years in a very respectable address. Her bf funds her and completely supports her. I thought that this is the ideal story of falang and Thai relationship.
However, now I know that he pulled her from a bar, where she worked as a bargirl. He set her up, took her into his house, turned her into the glamorous woman she now is. But she has two other regular bf. She has taken an apartment nearby so that she can spend periods of time with him, telling the regular bf that she has gone home to visit her mother. Meanwhile, the third bf visits her regularly. Both second and third bf’s pay handsomely. We were supposed to meet up with Miss V one evening, but she texted to say that she has hooked up with another falang customer for the evening and cannot come. The first bf knows nothing of this, and to me he must be blind, or stupid, or both.
Muss W is short, well proportioned and full of bubbling fun. She has a regular falang bf who regularly sends money from abroad. He comes for blocks of time, which she spends with him. She has another falang bf who is closer to home, who she meets when he calls, and is paid for her services. Anytime that money gets a bit short, she heads to Soi 4, Nana, to hawk the fork as a fl. Sometimes she gets calls throughout the day from previous customers, so she flies off to another assignation.
This has had an interesting effect on me. I have no argument with prostitutes, and prostitution. And on this trip, I have used 4 prostitutes out of the 13 women that I have slept with. But when the woman is a friend, like Miss W, I feel protective toward her, and I don’t want her to go out. At least she is honest about her business, and is not being deceptive, towards me and her friends. I have no respect for Miss V, who was given a dream life by her bf, but who is deceiving him, not respecting him for what he has done, and behaving as any ordinary prostitute. I am ambivalent about Miss U, on the one hand sort of supportive, yet I suspect that most of her story is lies, and so I have little respect.
So, there you have it.
Gangles
[QUOTE=Gangles]I have no respect for Miss V, who was given a dream life by her bf, but who is deceiving him, not respecting him for what he has done, and behaving as any ordinary prostitute.[/QUOTE]Nice report Gangles!
You actually bring up a very interesting Subject and I think along the same lines. I am a fan of Massage parlors (Not so into the Bar scene but I indulge sometimes) but it would never even occur to me to start a regular Boyfriend/Girlfriend relationship with them. They are service providers, I pay them to provide me with their services.
Yes I have taken a fair number of "Prostitutes" on random Dinner/Sex Dates but never with the intention to have a stable relationship. It was fun and I always tipped them for the evening.
I know a lot of guys actually "save" these girls from their ungrateful jobs, and if it works out then I am happy for them, but let's face it, once a girl gets accustomed to be independant and shuffle large sums of money, it will be hard to adjust to a "regular" life and sometimes (as in Miss V's case) they have to get money on the side.
I also used to think that Bargirls were fun to take out on dates, but ever since I started dating non P4P women, I discovered they have much more to offer than bargirls... Yes, the sex is not as "professional" but a few of them are learning fast and get better everyday.
Some will say that bargirls are Liars but I am not talking about lies because everyone lies, in one way or another.
OTH was right, P4P, while satisfying and entertaining still can't hold a candle to Genuine non P4P courting, flirting, dating and sex.
Let me tell you something else, I know a lot of girls that will NEVER date Farangs, and the reason for that is because when they are in presence of a Farang people might think she is a "working girl", and we all know how Thais look down on P4P girls as being the bottom of the barrel, having said that, some are ok with it as long as it suits them financially (Family, Friends refusing to admit the daughter works as a "prostitute" and accepting the bullshit work story she gives because money keeps coming in).
Anyway, I like Thailand's diversity, I indulge in both P4P & non P4P and am quite satisfied with this so far. One day I will have to look for a wife and that might go against what other members here think, but I would prefer my future wife to be a Farang and not a Thai (for obvious communications reasons).
Sorry for the long post.
[QUOTE=Gangles]...I had met Miss U and Miss V last time I was in Thailand, and I thought that they were pretty well off, both had falang bf, and were independent. Well, that is what I thought, but I know a bit more now...
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A few thoughts on your post:
Reminds me of the saying often found in bargirl-related literature: "you can take the girl out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the girl"...
Through my limited interactions with Thais, I'll pose the following:
Notwithstanding the fact that Thai society is as complicated as it is with regards to class distinction based on wealth, education, colour of skin, geographic region, dialect spoken, family name, etc. - a middle-class Thai with a university degree and a well paying job (by Thai standards) as a corporate executive with 5-8 years' experience pulls in about THB 12-15,000 / month. A KTV girl with youth on her side (and a savvy mamasan) pulls in between THB 30,000 and THB 40,000 / month. The latter includes her takings paid by the house on her customers' drink expenditures, her 'sitting fees' and earnings on whatever arrangements she makes outside the establishment. Both figures are based on actual acquaintances (were they kidding?).
If one had to choose between the two, it is not surprising that many would choose to throw their dignity (!) out the window and the line between P4P and non-P4P gets increasingly blurred.
[QUOTE=Raverboy]a middle-class Thai with a university degree and a well paying job (by Thai standards) as a corporate executive with 5-8 years' experience pulls in about THB 12-15,000 / month.[/QUOTE]
I don't know where you got this figure. But, it's way off the mark. Someone with the qualifications you mention would probably make at least in the mid to high 20s and probably well into the 30s or even 40s. A corporate secretary with only a high-school diploma would likely make at least 9-10,000 alone. The girls in my office, none of whom have university degrees make between 12,000 to 18,000.
It's true that the national average salary is still only about 6,000/month. But, that takes in a lot of farmers and unskilled workers making around, 4,000-5,000/month in factories, as construction labourers, or as maids etc. Even a BKK taxi driver makes about 15,000/month.
I personally believe that while there are certainly university students and university-educated office workers who may be freelancing in P4P, even at the low-end (at the Bier Garten, for example), the huge numbers that some believe are doing it is nothing more than urban myth. The actual number is comparatively low.
On another note... The so-called 'stigma' of being seen as a hooker if in the company of a Farang is quickly disappearing as Thailand goes more "inter" as the Thais say and more and more regular, educated TGs encounter Farang on a daily basis at school at work and socially. For example, the number of international programs at Thai universities where Thai students are studying alongside foreign students have increased dramatically in recent years. Bangkok University International College, for example has students from about 40 different countries including large numbers of Europeans and even Americans, Canadians and Brits. Even HiSo bastions like Chulalongkorn U. and Silpakorn U. have increasing numbers of foreign students. It makes for an interesting change to see buxom, blonde-haired Swedish girls in Thai university uniforms.:)
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] It makes for an interesting change to see buxom, blonde-haired Swedish girls in Thai university uniforms.:)[/QUOTE]You should see the topless Swedish girls with their thongs on the beach here on Koh Lanta! Oh my. Pass the SPF!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I don't know where you got this figure. But, it's way off the mark. Someone with the qualifications you mention would probably make at least in the mid to high 20s and probably well into the 30s or even 40s. A corporate secretary with only a high-school diploma would likely make at least 9-10,000 alone. The girls in my office, none of whom have university degrees make between 12,000 to 18,000...[/QUOTE]
hmm... maybe I misunderstood what my 'gig' was saying about her younger sister (ex-MNC employee, now a 'kept' woman), my Thai isnt quite up to the mark! But it was interesting how she (my 'gig') seems to secretly aspire to be her nong sao, saying that 'nong sao bpen HiSo laeow'! (although I doubt one can't simply 'become HiSo' just because you're a kept woman of one) ;)
About the Swedish girls, never mind the thongs, I just wanna see them in the university uniforms! What do they do for the name tags, make a literal translation in Thai of their swedish names?
[QUOTE=Raverboy]hmm... maybe I misunderstood what my 'gig' was saying about her younger sister (ex-MNC employee, now a 'kept' woman), my Thai isnt quite up to the mark! But it was interesting how she (my 'gig') seems to secretly aspire to be her nong sao, saying that 'nong sao bpen HiSo laeow'! (although I doubt one can't simply 'become HiSo' just because you're a kept woman of one) ;)[/QUOTE]
absolutely correct, especially if you're a kept woman. You'd never be allowed to see the light of day in high society. Mia Noi or gigs of HiSo dudes are kept hidden away in apartments, usually off the beaten track. There are loads of them in the condos behind Ramkhamhaeng University where I used to live.
[QUOTE=Raverboy]About the Swedish girls, never mind the thongs, I just wanna see them in the university uniforms! What do they do for the name tags, make a literal translation in Thai of their swedish names?[/QUOTE]
Students don't have name tags. But, if they did at an international school, they'd all be in English. BTW, the uniforms on these Swedish girls are quite snug, if you get my drift. :D
[QUOTE=Raverboy]
Notwithstanding the fact that Thai society is as complicated as it is with regards to class distinction based on wealth, education, colour of skin, geographic region, dialect spoken, family name, etc. [/QUOTE]
It is not only Thai..all over asia there is a class distinction based on caste, skin, wealth, education....
However, everything gets offset...if you know the great queens language English :) ...The power english language has to counter all caste, skin, wealth, education is not appriciated.
Back in India..even if you earn an enginnering degree but are not fluent in english you are looked down, but if you are a cab driver and you speak english even if you are from low caste with dark skin ..you will be welcomed everywhere...
The power english language holds amoung people in Asian society is magical..everything is forgotten about your background..the moment you speak english :)