2006 Bangkok Reports

Day 3

The night before, I'd told Sweetie if I could, I would barfine her again. But I had a lot of sightseeing on my plate, so I couldn't make any promises. She accepted that and said if I could come by and see her, she'd be happy. If not, then that's the way the game goes. I finished my sightseeing early and figured I would BF her again. Since I had more than enough time, I thought I might as well get a session in with another girl first. The limosine driver at my hotel tried to tell me all about the scene in BKK, talking about Nana, Soi Cowboy, and Patpong. I just smiled and nodded and pretended like I didn't already know. Thanks ISG! The driver recommended Patpong, but I had other plans. I remembered the third girl from Pretty Lady, so I wanted to give her a try. So back to NEP I went.

One of the waitresses in Pretty Lady recognized me from last night and sat me next to the two Con Artists, who were dancing on stage. One of them kept trying to get my attention - I just smiled at her and kept looking around for the third girl. The other girl didn't try as hard - she must have realized I didn't like them and wasn't going to waste another minute with them. I looked around, but the third girl was nowhere to be found. I didn't find anyone else who caught my eye, so I left.

I figured it was still a bit early for Sweetie, so I stopped into Lollipop on the first floor of NEP. A lot of Japanese knock-offs, but some lookers as well. One girl on stage kept trying to get my attention, but I wasn't too into her. I did notice a hottie dancing, at least an 8. I kept my eyes on her and tried to smile whenever she made eye contact. However, the first girl finished dancing before the hottie and made it a point to come sit right next to me. I told her that I wanted to talk to the hottie. She said that was her friend and she could go together with us for a threesome. I hadn't come looking for a threesome, but I wasn't opposed. Before I could start thinking about it too well, Pushy started getting really aggressive, rubbing my crotch and licking my ear. Hottie finally finished dancing and came over to join us - she was a whole lot more reserved than Pushy. She hadn't been there long until a mamasan came over and started pushing for me to barfine both of them. If I had been thinking rationally, I probably would have waved them all off and left. But I'd had a few Singha's at this point, and I don't know, I just caved to Pushy's antics and the mamasan's aggressiveness. Agreed to BF both for 600B each, then 1200B ST. Pushy was extrememly happy about this - more or less celebrated her way to the back room, high-fiving other girls as she went.

And now, Katooey Sense is on fire.

Pushy's over-aggressiveness, elation over being BF'ed, and the other girls support for her were really, really suspect. I should have canceled the deal on the spot, but decided to at least see for myself what Pushy was. The two girls came back dressed and asked where I wanted to go - back to my hotel or to one of the rooms in NEP. I didn't want to risk parading a possible katooey down Sukhumvit (the Walk of Shame?) so I decided on one of the NEP rooms. We went upstairs and I had to pay 300B for the room and I think 200B for a package of condoms (I had some in my pocket...but kind of forgot as I was stressing out about Pushy). It's a small, dark room with a bed, shower/toilet, and not much else. Would not recommend it.

The girls undressed. Pushy didn't have a penis, but that didn't rule out the possibility of post-op. I took a shower with Hottie. Here, I was able to confirm to some extent that she was female. I took a good look at her pelvic region, did not see any operational scars or anything. Hottie had fake tits, but aside from that she seemed to be genuinely female. ...I was still worried about Pushy though, and those worries piggybacked to Hottie. After the shower, Pushy showered on "her" own and then came out into the room, dimming the lights. Katooey Sense is now a blazing inferno.

We get started. Hottie gives me a light massage followed by a BBBJ. Pushy lets me suck on her tits. After a few minutes Hottie gets on the bed and I do her missionary with Pushy holding me from the back. Hottie hits her limit, and Pushy insists I do her now. I try to get a good look at her pelvic region, but the lights are down low so I can't see well. Also, Pushy seems to be getting into it a little too much, and a few times I could swear her voice dropped a few octaves. Allright, now I'm convinced. I keep Pushy at a very far arm's length and just focus on Hottie. I finish up and cum all over Hottie's nice fake chest. I notice that Pushy moves in a way that never affords me a good look in "her" genital region. We all get cleaned up and dressed, and I give the girls 3000B - 1200B plus 300B tip for each. Pushy and Hottie are still getting dressed when I excuse myself and leave.

I can't confirm that Pushy was a katooey, "she" did have a vagina and no penis. But there were just too many suspicious behaviours. I'd kept Pushy at a distance and kept contact with "her" to a extreme minimum, but even with that I still felt kind of dirty. Went back to my hotel and showered twice, and wondered if there was a way to get the soap up into my brain. Continually reminded myself that Hottie was in all likelihood female, and it was Hottie I'd just banged, not Pushy.

Anyway, it was getting pretty late - now 1130. My session before hadn't been enjoyable, since I was so freaked out over Pushy. I decided to BF my Sweetie again. Headed back to NEP and Rainbow 3. The waitresses and mamasan gave me a big reception - it was afterall my third night in a row there. Mamasan came over and sat with me. She explained that since it had gotten late, Sweetie figured I wasn't coming, and had went out to get some food. But she should be back soon. I waited for about half an hour, while mamasan kept me company by talking and giving me a hand massage. Sweetie was still a no-show, so mamasan said she'd phone her. I cautiously told her that if Sweetie didn't show, maybe I would BF one of the dancers, #32.

#32 was incredible. She had small tits unfortunately (I love tits) but everything else was just built to perfection. Great, banging body, really cute face. Easily a 9, would have been a 10 had she filled out her top better. Apparently, she was a friend of Sweetie's. The night before, she tried to join us as a third but I'd declined as I figured any potential GFE would be destroyed with the presense of another girl.

Mamasan came back from her phone call. Said that Sweetie had just gone home after eating. Sweetie said if I wanted to BF another girl, I should do that, but if I wanted her she would come back. I told mamasan that if she didn't mind, I'd like to have Sweetie. Mamasan told me that Sweetie was going to catch a motorcycle taxi back to NEP, and wait for another five minutes. She also told me that she talked with #32 about the possibility of me BF'ing her, but apparently #32 had said "no way." Mamasan shrugged and said "I don't know, maybe she don't like dark-skinned guys?" That sort of didn't make sense though...#32 was no Porcelain doll herself, and she'd seemed perfectly willing the night before. I remembered that Sweetie and #32 were friends. Working Girl Code of Honor perhaps? Come to think of it, despite me having been in the club for almost 40 minutes now, no other girl had come over to talk to me.

Mamasan sat down with me again. While we were waiting, she said that Sweetie had talked about me a lot earlier that night (unfortunately, mamasan's English is limited, so I couldn't figure out what kinds of things Sweetie had been saying). She'd been checking her watch all night, and only a few minutes before I arrived, had figured I wasn't coming and went to go get something to eat. Mamasan said that when she thought I wasn't coming, Sweetie cried. ...I'll take that with another grain of salt, thank you. Ten minutes passed and still no Sweetie. She called in to say she couldn't catch the motorcycle taxi, so she was going to have to take a regular taxi, so please wait another five minutes. In the interim, I went ahead and BF'ed her. ...I wondered how that worked, since apparently she'd already gone home, why would I need to pay the barfine? But it was mamasan's phone calls that was getting her back here, so I didn't particularly have any protests to the BF.

After five minutes Sweetie finally arrived. Mamasan told her she'd been BF'ed, so she went in the back, got a few things, and off we went. She was carrying food which she had apparently bought to take back to a sister or something. I asked if this was ok - it seemed as though I'd summoned her even though she'd finished work. She told me if she didn't want to come, she wouldn't have. Because she had the food, she could only do ST, and I agreed to that. Despite that, she never rushed anything. We had a nice playful conversation beforehand, then she went and showered, came back, and BBBJ. We did a few positions before I finished up. Afterwards we snuggled for awhile, and when I started falling asleep she went ahead and showered and got dressed. Very, very GFE, even more so than the previous day. I wanted to give her a decent tip tonight but was sorely lacking in 100B bills, so I ended up giving her 2000B for ST plus a 200B tip. I put it in her hands and she put it in her purse without looking to see how much I'd given her. As my travel plans figured to take me out of BKK I told her I wouldn't be able to see her again for the next few days, but as I'd be back in Bangkok the night before my plane left I said I would definitely come see her then. She said that was okay, and she was happy that she was able to see me tonight afterall. We said our goodbyes, and I had a very good sleep, pretty much forgetting about all the anxiety I'd worked up over Pushy from before.

[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]

Azure

It is certainly possible that Pushy was a Katooey. But, unless their policy has recently changed, Pretty Lady has never hired Katooey, even when it was Pretty Girl (i'ts old name).

Secondly, if Sweetie was off "getting food" and then going home because she was finished work, but the bar was still open, that means that she had been bar-fined already. They aren't obviously going to tell you this because they want to maintain the illusion that you are the focus of her attention. Girls can't leave the bar early unless they have already been barfined.

The reason few girls at NEP go LT anymore is because unlike the old days, they are now into multiple barfines. At the VIP lounge where the girls are generally very young and dress in university uniforms (of a sort), they actually have a competition to see who can get the most barfines in one night. One girl there told me that one particularly hot girl with big tits had been barfined 5 times in one night.

If a girl is not in the bar, and they give you a story like she's gone out but will be back shortly, that means she's gone ST with somebody else.

Also, I notice that you pay a lot to begin with and then you tip them on top of this. It isn't necessary to tip them. The very generous amounts you're giving them is the tip. None of that money goes to the bar. It's all hers. So giving her 2000 and then a 200 baht tip just means you're paying her more than she asked for. That's just stupid.

But having said all that, your reports are an interesting account of a newbie's first time here. Your observations about NEP turning Japanese is unfortunately true. The Japanese, Korean and Chinese monger are slowly taking over here and affecting the look of the girls (lots of plastic surgery) the scene in general and those who partake in it. Prices are rising from what I understand, girls are a lot harder, savvy and more professional than they used to be and many of the best looking ones are disdainful of Farang because they get more money and an easier time from the Asians.

I'm glad that you still managed to have an ok time. I think generally it's getting much harder to do so, now, compared to a few years ago.

OTH / Azure

Well said, to both actually. I wanted to comment on the payment approach and highly second OTH's comments.

It speaks to a disturbing trend with the FL scene. Twice within 20 minutes at the Bier Garten on Saturday, I was quoted 2000 ST and 1500 ST. The first girl was young and hot. The second one used to be. I just won't pay it. Bangkok prices are already in a world of their own compared to the rest of Thailand. I pulled a real hottie and sweety from BG 3 days ago for 1000 baht - the going rate for FL st.

In my opinion, the gogo pricing has been the upward trend setter for all of BKK pricing. SOME of the gogo girls are hotter but I doubt they are better. That topic is still about your ability to read them and the luck of the draw.

I enjoy your reports. Thanks for taking the time and effort.

C4T

C4T

I'm certainly no expert anymore when it comes to the variety of pricing out there.

But, some of my friends are still partaking on a regular basis and complain bitterly about the increasing prices, and these are expats who can speak Thai and have been here awhile. Everyone seems to point an accusing finger at the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese that I mentioned in my previous post, not only in terms of increasing the prices drastically, but also in terms of the trend in plastic surgery and skin whitening to make the girls look Japanese, and the increasingly bad attitude of the girls towards Farang. Up until relatively recently this has mostly been confined to NEP. That this is now creeping into the FL ranks at places like the Thermae and even the Biergarten is a sign of things to come for those who like to monger here. I was recently in Pattaya and saw hordes of Asians, especially Chinese. They were everywhere and seemed to like to compete on tipping the girls. I saw one Chinese guy give a go-go girl a 500 baht note while she was dancing on stage. That's just sheer stupidity. Who can compete with that? Pattaya is still a cheap monger location, but for how long, if things like this happen there?

Soi Cowboy has remained largely immune up to this point. Although, there are certainly girls there opting for the Japanese look and also trying to get a lot more money than is warranted. Cowboy was always a place where almost every girl would go LT, and most for 1500. That seems to be changing. The last time I took anyone from there LT was about 6 weeks ago. She's 19, quite cute and could get a lot more than the 1500 I gave her to come to my condo. But, I think that price was due to my knowing her. I think if you were a monger, fresh off the plane, she'd want at least 2000 and possibly 2500 LT. Increasingly, girls in the more popular bars like Long Gun, Rawhide, Shark Bar, Doll House etc. prefer ST, from what I've seen and want 1500+++ even for this.

When I was first here, there was much more of a feeling that the girls, even the young, hot ones were looking for a Farang to latch onto, so they could get out of the bar. I personally experienced this time and again. You still encounter it. But, not nearly as much as before. Now, it's just business for a lot of these girls. The Internet, which was not much a concern 10 years ago has certainly contributed a lot to this as well in recent years. The ease with which BGs can now maintain their financial arrangements with multiple love-struck "BFs" overseas has changed the dynamic as well and has made many of them cynical and hard and in many cases rich, at least in the short term). It has been commented on many times here.

Unfortunately, supply and demand doesn't have as much of an effect on the market now because Thailand has become a year-round destination. The popular bars seem to be always crowded, even in low season.

Where it will end up, one can only imagine.

Azure, you indicated Hottie and Pushy were from Lollipop. The last time I stopped by Lollipop, they did not have a single true female working there. Your instinct was correct. They were both katoeys.

Thank you for your informative report.

[QUOTE=jimbehr2000]Azure, you indicated Hottie and Pushy were from Lollipop. The last time I stopped by Lollipop, they did not have a single true female working there. Your instinct was correct. They were both katoeys.

Thank you for your informative report.[/QUOTE]

Sorry. You're right. I misread that part and thought they were from Pretty Lady. I concur. Lollipop, the last time I was there had lot of Katoey. It used to be an ok bar. But, it seems to have gone downhill in recent years and has reached the point of employing Katoey, as have an increasing number of bars at NEP.

Jimbehr,

Ugh, yeah, that's what I feared. Thanks for the confirmation. Although I'm not happy about it. Let it serve as a warning to other newbies as to not make the same mistake.

OTH:

Later in my trip I realized myself that I was paying too much. "Why am I tipping anyway?" I'd thought. I'm not quite sure where that notion creeped into my head that I should. In the case of Sweetie, I don't mind too much since she was fantastic. The others I should have saved my baht. A lesson to be learned I suppose.

I also sort of suspected that Sweetie was off on another barfine. It was kind of late though, and if she had been BF'ed before she didn't show any signs of wear when she was with me. It's all a game of smoke and mirrors, and I thought that Sweetie and the mamasan at RB3 did a pretty good job of keeping it all up. Ultimately, when we BF a girl we probably are sloppy seconds/thirds/fourths/some unimaginable number, but we don't particularly want to think about that.

I'm not quite sure what the average crowd is, but there didn't seem to be a whole lot of guys in the bars when I was there last week. I'd talked about the lackluster dancing with Sweetie, and she said there weren't a whole lot of customers this week - with so few customers the girls weren't nearly as motivated. There were a few places I'd gone into that only had maybe one or two other guys in there besides myself. Avoiding peak times is definitely best - you should be able to bargain better if she knows the alternative is to not have a customer at all that night.

I've been to the soi 7 beer garden and have seen so many references to it but I just don't remember hearing about the soi 8 beer garden. I'm interested as I'm thinking of staying on soi this coming trip

Thanks

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day 4

actually did not do any mongering this day. i was hoping to head south (and take advantage of the much cheaper prices in pattaya) but i was having some bank troubles back home and had to stay put. i decided to just round out my holiday in bkk, but wasn't able to hit anywhere up this day.

day 5

had some time to kill in the afternoon, so i made another trip to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8. boom was there again, this time carrying a baby. whoa nellie. nothing says "i wanna suck you off" better than holding your newborn baby? she smiled at me - i returned the smile but let her know i certainly wasn't going to give in to her persistence today. she got the message and disappeared. i ordered a singha and took a seat at the bar. a few minutes later, a much younger, shapely maiden came over and joined me. she was cute enough and i got a decent vibe from her, so i agreed to go upstairs with her. bbbjcim, great technique. we went back downstairs and i finished my beer at the bar while she gave me a neck massage. paid my 700b for the beer and service, and gave the maiden a 200b tip. i probably wouldn't have/shouldn't have, but the neck massage won me over.

i had some business to take care of at around 11pm. but i wanted to bf sweetie again. i'd told her i was heading south, so she wasn't going to expect me in today. i decided to drop by nep around 9:30 just to let her know i was still in town and wanted to bf her later. i went to rainbow 3 again and was greeted very warmly. why not, i'd been giving them great business over the past few days. one of the waitress lead me to a table and pointed at sweetie who was dancing on stage. i nodded yes, and sweetie came down. the waitress asked me about the bf, and i told her i would pay it, just not now. she didn't understand much english though, so i just smiled at her until sweetie joined me. i explained to sweetie that i had some business to take care of, and would she wait for me until about 11:30 (ie not run off to get food/take another bf from a different joe). she said she would. the waitress started saying that since i brought sweetie down from the stage, i had to bf her now. ...nuh-uh sister, i know how the system works. i smiled her off and left sweetie with the promise that i would be back.

i still had about an hour to kill, so i decided to give soi cowboy another try. for the lazy, you could take bts from nana to asok, but it was a fine enough night so i walked it. ten minutes, maybe fifteen tops. i walked up the street looking for a good place - i really didn't feel like bouncing around and having to buy several beers at several different places, i wanted to just park at one place for about an hour. i was musing over where to go when one woman sitting in front of one place (don't remember which one, sorry) wildly gestured for me to come in. i figured i'd reward her effort at least and go inside. she took this as some sort of personal approval of her and joined me. she was a bigger lady - i'm not particularly opposed to that but if it's p4p i'd rather spend my money on something else. i ordered my beer and she immediately started talking about bf'ing her and how she would take care of me all night at my hotel. i told her i'd just got here, and let me at least drink my beer and look at the dancing (which again, wasn't much...the ladies weren't moving very much at all, and even in the dim lights i could pick out pot bellies and stretch marks).

ol big bertha would not leave me alone. every five minutes she kept asking me to bf her, and she'd up the ante every time. it wasn't long before she was rubbing my crotch and blowing in my ear. when that didn't work, she opened her shirt and had me grab a handful of titty. when that didn't work, she started making out with me. when even that didn't work, she dropped her bra and said "you wanna kiss here?" it occured to me that, holy crap, this woman is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me. ...and i kinda like it! i'm sitting here in this club making out and sucking tits and i haven't even paid a cent yet. what a wonderful country i have come to!

i let this go on until 11, when i had to do my business. when the time came, i quickly paid for my beer and told bertha i had some business to do. she still wanted me to bf her, said she'd come along too. i declined and excused myself. i didn't even have the money on me to bf anyone (a tactic on my part - you have a lot more willpower in those situations when you know you don't even have the money in the first place). i left soi cowboy, did my business, got some cash, and went back to rainbow 3 in nep to bf sweetie. didn't buy drinks or anything, just went in, told them i was bf'ing her, sat down long enough for her to change clothes and off we went. she admitted she was surprised to see me earlier - thought i'd headed down south. i explained why i didn't, and she said either way she was glad i was still in bkk.

we got back to my hotel, and it was the usual of talking/playing around before getting down to business. gfe getting better and better with every session. in the heat of things, she'd reach up and grab a pillow...and i really liked the way she'd bit her lower lip and kind of roll her eyes back into her head before orgasm. we cuddled afterwards for awhile, and she asked me if i wanted to do st or lt. i'd kind of wanted to do lt on the first day, but she insisted on st at that time. she said "if i know you better, then i can do lt. better for me." she explained that some customers were just bad to do lt with - violent/noisy sleepers, guys who'd wake up in the middle of the night and want a fuck, guys who'd make heavy/unreasonable demands, etc. but now she was more comfortable with me, so she was willing to do lt. i considered it, but i mainly just wanted to sleep, and i knew she was probably going to be awake for another few hours, so i decided st was fine. i didn't have any spare 100b bills on me, so this time i could only give her the 2000b st with no tip. i put it into her hand as she was leaving - again she didn't bother to check how much i'd given her - and told her i'd see her again tomorrow.

[b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.[/blue]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]C4T

I'm certainly no expert anymore when it comes to the variety of pricing out there.

But, some of my friends are still partaking on a regular basis and complain bitterly about the increasing prices, and these are expats who can speak Thai and have been here awhile. Everyone seems to point an accusing finger at the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese that I mentioned in my previous post, not only in terms of increasing the prices drastically, but also in terms of the trend in plastic surgery and skin whitening to make the girls look Japanese, and the increasingly bad attitude of the girls towards Farang.

Where it will end up, one can only imagine.[/QUOTE]

I can concur with this report, but i have a possible theory why its occuring. About two years ago Korea cracked down on its P4S industry, due to a report from the EU which claimed Korea had the highest work-girl/population ratios in the world. The guys i worked with turned to golf, or overseas business meetings. The Japanese soon after tightened up their entertainment visa regulations and a lot of the foreign girls were forced out (A lot went to HK and some to singapore) I assume this meant supply was tight in japan and perhaps they are doing the same thing, over seas business trips. (The japanese use to go to korea for this type of entertainment, but that option was cut off).

They are all coming to bangkok perhaps? If correct, once things returns to normal in Korea and Japan, the numbers of japanese and korean guys will drop - perhaps.

[QUOTE=Sebastian My]

They are all coming to bangkok perhaps? If correct, once things returns to normal in Korea and Japan, the numbers of japanese and korean guys will drop - perhaps.[/QUOTE]


This too could be good insight. One has to consider what is normal though. At 1AM closing last night, I was considering what was once normal in LOS. There was a pretty good crowd in the Soi 7-1 bar that I was in and the party was definitely started. The police were coming round to make sure the bars were closed/closing though, soooo, it was over.

Given the current situation of P4S in Korea, it seems that the crackdown did effectuate a minor shuffle but the establishments have resurfaced and seems to be a non-issue, especially for the locals.

Recent issues in Busan may spark about foreigners coming to Bangkok but I do not think that the Korean/Japanese visitors will dissipate any time soon.

Of course you got to consider the geography and economics to whoring in Thailand. It's just plain cheaper than whoring in Korea and Japan so of course the prices get diluted.

Just my 2 baht/won/cents.

I've been stoping off here lately for less time , as the quality and quantity is down. I usually stay at the grace, now they herd all girls to downstairs coffee shop, and seems to be lot more regulated , also outside grace there were always a lot of freelancers but not now. police harrasemt has become the norm. china town is still passable, but has more dogs (1-3's) . I don't know about those bars in nana plaza. soi cowboy. never liked that scene. Meanwhile phnom penh has improved, and I just made my first trip to ac philippines.

Lee66: No offense intended here. But imho the Grace Hotel, Grace hotel girl scene, and streetwalkers outside the Grace are about the worst places in town to hang out. The lowest of the low end. The Grace is an Arab friendly area with girls that cater to their tastes. If you are from Europe or the U.S. you might try re-visiting Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy. If not the Biergarden on Soi 7 and the Nana Hotel offer prettier girls than the Grace area.

I didn't even know there was a scene in Chinatown.

day 6

not much to report here. bf'ed sweetie again, and had a wonderful time with her. could have gone lt, but as i had to be up early the next day i opted for st. told her i'd see her again the next day, which would be my last in the los.

it was kind of funny, as i went to nep there was a group of religious zealots standing at the entrance shouting bible verses into the horde. ...boy are you guys lost or what? i guess if they were looking for the most immoral place on earth, nana wasn't a bad start. what i found even funnier was that, despite their yelling, it only took a distance of less than 10 meters for their shouting to be drowned out by music from the clubs and the female touts trying to get you to sit at their bar/go inside their club.

earlier that day, i stopped into a massage parlor on soi 4 (?) down the street from nep. i don't remember the name, but it has big glass windows, services rendered in english and japanese, and there always seemed to be at least 4-5 girls sitting outside either passively soliticing passerby's, or gossiping. i originally just wanted a foot massage, but i saw they had a full body oil course, so i opted for that. one of the younger cuter girls took me to a room upstairs and told me to get completely undressed. i laid out on the table and she gave me my massage. i started to wonder if this was one of those bj/fs massage places. i noticed that the girl kept "accidentally" brushing my cock and balls with her hands. she was trying to make it look like it wasn't what she intended to do but since my stuff just happened to be there... i tried not to get excited but junior can only take so much. she noticed my hard-on and apologized. for what exactly? she then asked me if i wanted "him" massaged too. i asked how much, and she said 1000b. i don't know why, but i assumed that meant 1000b total incl massage. i agreed, but probably only because i was already hard and she was already holding my junk. she got on top and gave me an amazing two-handed hj. i was kind of ashamed that she could work me better than i could. i came, and she cleaned up the mess and finished the massage. turns out it was 1000b for the hj plus 400b for the massage. i was sorely disappointed with my hasty decision - it was a grand hj, sure, but it was still just a hj, and an expensive one at that. at that price, i could have gotten bbbjcim at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], with a beer, and gotten lunch somewhere. and still have change left over. if you find this place, i would recommend the foot massage sure, but nothing more than that.

day 7

ah, what a week it's been.

i decided to give eden club another go. while i wasn't disappointed with the experience, i was disappointed with my choice. i knew i could do better. i headed out there around 6. there weren't as many ladies lounging around inside as there were the last time i'd been. i ordered a beer and had a seat at the bar. marc and the lovely bartender (can i pick her?) both told me that whenever i was ready for the lineup, just let them know. i tried to drink my beer slowly and take a good look around, try to pick out a winner before the actual lineup.

next to me was a japanese guy who'd just finished a session with two girls. i noticed that after he'd left and the girls eventually did lineup, these two were standing there alongside everyone else. predicting that would happen, i made a note to remember their faces as to not pick them. i don't think i would have enjoyed my session as much if i knew i was playing clean-up for a japanese guy i'd just seen minutes ago. it also amazed me that these girls could service a guy, and turn right back around and be ready for the next customer. working hard i suppose.

after the japanese guy left, another guy came in and ordered a beer at the bar. i was sort of concerned that he might snatch a hottie out from under me, but he seemed to want to take his time with the beer as well. i noticed the lack of girls inside the club, and wondered if i should come back later...maybe there'd be more girls? while i was thinking about that, the new guy said he was ready for the lineup, and marc put out the call. let me tell you, girls started popping up from out of nowhere. all the ones who'd been hanging out outside came in, took off their yellow shirts, and were in their dresses within seconds. girls came out from the back room, behind the bar, under the floorboards, i dunno where but there they were. while new guy was making his pick, i tried to scan the lineup for my pick. i noticed friend from before standing on the far right. she smiled at me and waved - i smiled back, but i certainly wasn't going to pick her. new guy made his choice, and after he and the two girls left the rest of the girls remained in the lineup. i wasn't quite ready yet, but since they were all still lined up i turned around in my chair and decided to just go ahead and pick. i picked a girl on the far left - a solid 7, she had a classy, refined look to her, and her eyes had been beckoning me to "come hither" even when the lineup was for the guy before me. she picked her friend, a 6 or so, and off we went.

we ended up in the same room i'd went to the last time. friend 2 didn't speak much english, but classy spoke it decently. the two of them undressed me right down to unlacing my shoes. this was already looking better than my last visit (smiley and friend 1 didn't undress me). after everyone showered it was down to business. we started with classy giving me a bbbj while friend 2 did the rimming. after a while, friend 2 came up for the bbbj while classy moved up to lick my nipples (and let me get hers). i stopped the bj before i came, having learned my lesson from the last time. i then did classy in missionary, with friend 2 behind me playing with my balls. after a few minutes in that, friend 2 switched in to missionary with me, while classy played with my balls from behind, this time using a vibrator. i gave it to friend 2 for awhile before i couldn't take it anymore and orgasmed.

classy and friend 2 both took quick showers, then joined me on the bed for a rest. we talked about a variety of things - classy noticed my palms and told me i had good lines according to chinese palmology (or whatever it's called). apparently i'm going to come into good luck in the future. we talked about some other things as well, and both classy and friend 2 told me that i was a good customer. they told me about some bad customers they'd had in the past. classy also told me, almost apologetically, that smiley wasn't working today. hey, that works wonderfully for me, i didn't want to see her again anyway. i guess they remembered me though. after awhile, classy told me that we only had 25 minutes left, had i rested enough? i was feeling pretty good, so we decided to give it a go again. i moved to the side briefly while classy ate friend 2 out then fucked her with a strap-on. good, but again somewhat mechanical. then, while friend 2 was still getting it from classy, i moved in so that friend 2 could give me a bbbj. it wasn't long before i exploded again, cim with friend 2. the three of us showered again and got dressed, and i gave them a 300b tip before heading back to the bar. 3500b (~ish) for service + beer. this session was much better than the one i'd had with smiley and friend 1. i was glad i came back for a second attempt.

that night i headed straight to nep and rainbow 3 to bf sweetie. one of the waitresses who'd been sitting outside jumped up as soon as she saw me, took me inside, and sat me down while motioning wildly to sweetie (as she'd done just about every night). sweetie, as soon as she saw me, came down from the stage and went to the back to get dressed. the waitress asked me if i wanted a drink - nope, i just handed her a 1000b bill and told her it was for sweetie's bf. she went off and the mamasan came over, and asked me if i was leaving tomorrow. i'd never directly said this to the mamasan, but apparently sweetie talks about me a lot in the club. i told her i was, and mamasan said that maybe sweetie could go with me to the airport. the other waitress came back with my change from the bf - this was the one who was responsible for me buying lady drinks for two dancers and well as two waitresses and the mamasan my first day, and the one who tried to tell me i had to bf sweetie the moment i had her come down from the stage a few nights before. every night i went, she tried to get me to buy a lady drink for her, which i turned down all times except once. she came with my 400b change, but immediately handed 200b to the mamasan, saying "tip. tip to mamasan." ...i didn't like this waitress so freely deciding how i was going to spend my money. i said no, but she tried to stuff the 200b down mamasan's shirt anyway. luckily, mamasan doesn't have that much of a bust so the 200b came falling out. i picked up the cash, but the waitress was still saying tip. i gave mamasan 100b - i liked this mamasan, so i didn't mind. but i almost asked if this waitress had a bf just so i could take her back to my hotel and fury-fuck her (rounded off with a satisfying cum-on-face). she's a feisty little devil - i'd recommend anyone who goes to rainbow 3 to be wary of her. she's shorter, has fair skin, long, straight, dark hair, and was usually the one brandishing the flashlight.

sweetie came back and off we went. she told me on the way to the hotel that she couldn't do lt tonight - her mother had come down from issan and made a surprise visit. brought her some home cooked food - not quite sure what it was, but i know insects were involved. i asked sweetie if it was okay to be going off with me if her mom was in town. sweetie again said "if i didn't want to go with you, i wouldn't go." and told me she would not have even gone to rb3 tonight if i hadn't told her i was going to come for her. we arrived at the hotel and again had a very playful and fun conversation. she wanted me to take a picture of her, which i did (but unforutnately had to immediately delete). i also somehow ended up talking to her younger brother and her mother (!) on her cell phone. i said hi to her mom, who then said hi back and "ah, farang." sweetie took the phone back and said some stuff in thai but i know it was about me.

i have a new goal for the near future. i am determined to learn thai, go back to los, pretend i can't speak a word, and just bf as many girls as possible and finally be privvy to all these conversations they're having about me and i have no idea what they're saying.

she also talked more about herself, and how she ended up in bkk and nep and what happened when her family found out she was a working girl. but it didn't come off as a sob-story at all. it was just kind of a "this is how it is" type of thing. she didn't need or even want pity. sweetie always seemed to be sort of wise to the business. several times i'd joked around with her about not coming to see her the next day and bf'ing someone else. she always just kind of smiled, shrugged, and said "up to you. if you come see me, i'm happy. and i want to see you. but if you see someone else, no problem. it's your choice." so she had a tough exterior, but mamasan always painted a picture of her that was somewhat different - always talking about me, continually checking her watch until i arrived, telling stories of our sessions from the night before. the third night i came to rb3, while i was waiting for sweetie mamasan talked extensively about her. said she had a good heart, and had been coming back to the club after our sessions smiling and happy. she said that sweetie had many custormers in the past say "i'll come to see you tomorrow" but never come. so when i actually came back, she was pleasantly surprised. even in the club, the other dancers seemed to recognize that i was sweetie's guy, and when i came in they'd smile and nudge sweetie on stage and say some stuff (which i couldn't hear much less understand). i'm not quite sure which to believe - sweetie's supposed hardened exterior, or mamasan's stories. but don't worry, i know not to fall for that thai voodoo. much as sweetie had said to me, "it is what it is."

eventually sweetie went to take her shower. she came back and we cuddled a bit before she quietly slid down and started giving me a bbbj. just as i was trying to figure out where to stop her before i came, she stopped herself and pointed to the drawer next to the bed where she knew i kept the condoms. i grabbed one, put it on, and she tried to get on top. but she was still dry. she went for the old spit and rub, but i stopped her, laid her on the bed, and went daty. (i've been seeing her for a week, and i'd done it to her before...if she had something i could get through daty, i would have gotten it already by now) it wasn't long before she was soaking wet (i could have filled a shot glass) so i slipped a finger inside and gave her the double assualt until she came, complete with her arching her back, gripping the pillow with one hand and a handful of my hair with the other.

now that she was nice and ready, we started off in missionary. i enjoyed that for a while, then switched to sweetie on top. she came again up here, and i got a nice view of her eyes rolling back and her biting her lip. i absolutely love that. i put her back in missionary and started off slow. it was kind of intense - she looked me dead in the eyes, wrapped her legs around my body, and lightly scratched her nails across my back. i sped up and she seemed to be loving every minute of it. i tried to hold out for as long as i could, but finally came in the condom. with her legs still wrapped around me, she gave me a long kiss before i took of the condom and disposed of it. i came back and we cuddled some more in the bed. i really wanted her to come a third time - we'd talked about it earlier in the week, and she said three was impossible for her. two times was already rare (apparently only one other guy before me had done it) and she said maybe on average she might come once a week but even that wasn't all that common. i told her i had wanted her to come three times, cause if she did she'd definitely remember me. she said to that "but, i've seen you almost every night this week, and every night you make me come two times. before, maybe i come one time a week. maybe. i think you're trying to kill me!"

we cuddled some more, and she asked me when i was coming back to bkk. i told her i didn't know, and i honestly don't (although i'm sure i'd like to go back one day!). i told her that when i did, i'd come looking for her in rainbow 3 again. if she was still there. she smiled at that and went to take her shower. i got dressed while she was in the bathroom. she came out and while i was sitting on the bed, she got on top of me and gave me another long kiss. she thanked me for a great week and told me to take care. i thanked her as well. we both got up and got one more hug in before she went to leave. she had opened the door and was halfway into the hallway when i had to stop her - she hadn't even taken any money yet! "oh! i forgot." she said. i'd wanted to give her a good tip, but only had the 300b change from the bf from the club. i decided to just give her 3000b - it was my last night, and i felt she'd more than earned it (you guys can burn me in effegy for helping the nep inflation though). i told her to buy something nice for her mother. we got another quick kiss in, then i waved goodbye to her as she walked down the hall. i really, really enjoyed my time with sweetie. if it were a different world - if she wasn't a working girl and i wasn't mongering, she's a girl i could have had a relationship with, easily. but, it's not a different world - it is what it is.


so that's my one week in thailand. ...my face still hurts from all the smiling. i had some good experiences, some bad, could have had a lot worse if not thanks to all the information i learned from the isg. thanks guys! i still hit some pitfalls, but i guess that's true for any newbie. here are some things i learned that i hope to apply on my next trip.

1. don't overpay. you don't have to tip every girl, and that should be reserved only for those who give you exceptional service. even then, just a few hundred baht will suffice. you can bargain most girls down, especially if it's a low season, and it looks like if she doesn't go with you she won't have any customers at all.

2. it pays to take your time before making any decisions. don't just take the first thing that starts cooing in your lap. spend some time with the girl and get a feel for how you two are interacting. if she's an ice princess in the club, she isn't going to get any warmer in your hotel room. conversely, be cautious of the girls who come on too strong too fast (especially the ones that work in pairs). and don't let any mamasan pressure you into deciding too quickly.

3. katooey sense - be careful, they are out there. you can avoid them completely though if you are vigilant enough.
-- despite all the surgery or whatever, they are still men pretending to be women. and it's just terribly unnatural.

-- if it looks too good to be true...it is.

-- katooey tend to be a lot more aggressive than normal women. not that some of the true women can't be aggresive, but the katooey are just in a league of their own. if we were to compare it to contact sports, it'd be like the difference between basketball and rugby.

-- if she seems oddly happy that you are barfining her/considering barfining her...run. if the people around you are giving you strange looks/smiling at you, run.

-- their voices are often not quite right...again men pretending to be women.

-- if you have doubts, even in the slightest, bail. chances are, your doubts are justified. even if you are wrong, there are plenty of women in the los who aren't questionable. find one of those.

4. i think there's a lot to be said for finding one good girl and sticking with her. i came to bkk intending to butterfly as much as possible...and while i did get my fair share in, the best was the one i stuck with all throughout.

5. if you respect the ladies, they'll respect you. not all of them are hardened con-artists waiting to separate you from your money. if you find a good one, treat her right. it'll be good for you and for your fellow monger who comes after you as well.

6. there isn't much action on soi cowboy in the early evening hours.

7. learn some thai. even just a little helps. if for no other reason than to figure out what they are saying about you.

8. in the go-go's, drink your beer slowly. very slowly. i can't count the times a waitress came by and picked up my beer bottle only to find it was still half-full. i just smiled at her and she moved along.

9. if you always wanted a japanese girl but can't afford the trip to japan/won't get accepted by any of the places in japan, you can find plenty of thai knock-offs in nep.

10. don't agree/nod your head to anything unless you know exactly what it is you're nodding your head to. i ended up buying 3 extra lady drinks that i didn't want to, but it could have been worse - i could have agreed to bf a girl i didn't want to.

[b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.[/blue]