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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Costeño is a term for someone living in the Atlantic coast, Cartagena, Santa Marta, Barranquilla, Valledupar, etc. [/QUOTE]
I have always referred to it as the Caribbean Coast.

Your comments are right on. However, it might be of more help to newbies to flat out tell them to stay the fuck out of Cali. I don't really know Bogota. And Medellin, where I currently live, can be dangerous if you don't know the lay of the land.

The Caribbean Coast is the safest area of Colombia. Cartagena is the safest part of that coast. The tourist zone in Cartagena is the safest part of that city.

Santa Marta BAQ and Valledupar are NOT safer than Bogota and Medellin. Not by a LONG shot dude. And ESPECIALLY not safer than Bogota.

Bogota and Medellin both have crime WAY down from 10 years ago. The same cannot be said about the coast. Although Cartagena is still the safest city in Colombia, but it's crime is rising lately :(

Bucaramanga is also pretty safe, but out of the way.

Next to Cali, Barranquilla is probably the second most dangerous place. Both cities have quite high incidences of muggings.

Cartagena is also the most EXPENSIVE city in Colombia.

Valledupar might be considered Costeno, but it is nowhere near the coast. Santa Marta does have it's Paras. I haven't heard much about guerillas in BAQ especially not on the north side. I guarantee that they are in MDE. I wouldn't recommend that a newbie go to any of the above cities.

Cartagena is the most expensive city in Colombia. But it is not that expensive compared to Costa Rica and Panama. What are your nuts worth?

You really did a good job in your decriptions, and I am sure it will help many. It most certainly deserves to be in the reports of distinction thread, and I am happy to see it was nominated.

Have you actually been to the cities that you're referring to as dangerous and safe? Or passing along "what you've heard" from others? My personal experience in those cities are far different than you stated.

Just interested because the only things that I can 100% agree with you on is that Cartagena is the most expensive city in Colombia, and that MURDERS in Bogota and Medellin is down from 10 yrs ago. But safe?

To downplay the crime in Bogota is highly misleading, from taxi issues to Trans-milenio and micro bus robberies, to broad daylight street robberies, to having to avoid certain areas of town after 6:00 pm, etc. Crime is common in Bogota, for residents AND visitors.

Medellin is RUN by paracos. For years. Who do you think OWN the majority of Poblado??? Why do you think Poblado is generally hands-off for criminals? Okay, step out of Poblado, Envigado and Laureles, and go up into any of the barrios on the hills. They make up at least 50% of Medellin. Still safe?

Not sure where you're getting your info on BAQ, SM, and Valledupar. Not entirely accurate. Barranquilla is NOT the 2nd most dangerous place in Colombia, not by a long shot. Not sure where you sourced that from.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion I guess.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Santa Marta BAQ and Valledupar are NOT safer than Bogota and Medellin. Not by a LONG shot dude. And ESPECIALLY not safer than Bogota.

Bogota and Medellin both have crime WAY down from 10 years ago. The same cannot be said about the coast. Although Cartagena is still the safest city in Colombia, but it's crime is rising lately :(

Bucaramanga is also pretty safe, but out of the way.

Next to Cali, Barranquilla is probably the second most dangerous place. Both cities have quite high incidences of muggings.

Cartagena is also the most EXPENSIVE city in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

The worst ive ever seen.

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As I understand it, the government more or less has control of the Carribena coast. I guess that means no guerilla activity, but there is still the normal crime.

Bogota has guerilla type crime.

If you want to look it up. Bucaramanga is #1 for land mine deaths worldwide. As previously posted, no they don't lay mines in the city. It is the poor farmers surronding the city who are taking the hit.



Thansk for the Rolo, Constena etc clarifications.

Doesn't mean there isn't any FARC activity on the Caribbean coast. Just not as much as other places. And I wouldn't go so far as to say the gov't has control of anything. More like tolerated and negotiated.

Cartagena, as we all know, is relatively safe. Esp. since the Colombian Navy is quartered there. However, outside of Bocagrande/Laguito/Castillo Grande/most of Centro, crime is rampant. Paracos are trying to muscle in there in recent years, trying to take over rackets from the local street gangs, making things even more testy.

Barranquilla, historically, hasn't been crime-ridden. Petty crimes (pickpockets, bus robberies, etc.) have increased in recent years, but it's not exactly common. Yes, there are paracos in BAQ. I even know a few. Their attitude is generally let me live and earn for my family, and do not cross me. Easy enough. The demobilization of the paracos has contributed to street crime here as well. However, I easily feel safer in BAQ than Bogota, Cali, or Medellin, 10 days out of 10. 10 nights out of 10. As should be your custom in any part of Colombia, just stay out of Centro (downtown) after dark.

Santa Marta proper isn't the safest of places. Hasn't been for a long time. Plenty of street crime. And well paraco'ed up. Even locals recommend that you just stay in Rodadero. I haven't had any issues in SM proper, but I could easily see where one might experience some. El Rodadero is well-patrolled and located 10-15 minutes outside of SM proper.

Guajiras do whatever the hell they want to do. LOL!!!

Bogota has ALL types of crime, petty and larger. It's always #1 on the list for major "events." For a criminal or the paracos or the guerillas or the military, it's target rich. Just because murders are down, by no means, makes it safe. Maybe safer, but that's subjective to what it was.

Bucaramanga the city might be relatively safe. However, there's serious FARC and paraco activity all surrounding the city. No joke. I know a few families in Bogota who've relocated from Barrancabermeja because of exactly that and more job opportunities. Also, a couple of friends often travel there from B'quilla by bus to buy leather goods and return to sell them in B'quilla at a profit. Supposedly, some of the best leather goods are made in Bucaramanga. They take the bus, but don't recommend that I do. That's good enough for me.

Valledupar the city also is relatively safe. Getting there by bus takes you through some questionable areas, but flying into the city should be fine. Petty crimes, yes, they exist. Vallenato is everywhere, as are universities and general boredom until the wkds. I was supposed to go there by bus a few weeks ago from Barranquilla for the Vallenato Festival, but was too exahusted from partying to embark on a 4 hr bus ride. As stated, Valledupar is nowhere near the coast, but identify as "costeños."

Yeah, Bango, the classifications are pretty spot-on. Good job!!!

[QUOTE=Beersterry]As I understand it, the government more or less has control of the Carribena coast. I guess that means no guerilla activity, but there is still the normal crime.

Bogota has guerilla type crime.

If you want to look it up. Bucaramanga is #1 for land mine deaths worldwide. As previously posted, no they don't lay mines in the city. It is the poor farmers surronding the city who are taking the hit.

Thansk for the Rolo, Constena etc clarifications.[/QUOTE]

To be clear I have only been to Bogota and surrounding area. I am just talking based on official statistics. How good are official statistics? Well, Colombia uses the FBI's uniform crime reporting methods but for ANY place you have to ask that same question, I consider them a rough guide, no more, no less.

Tom, if you go to CB, do a search for Cali Barranquilla atracos and an article posted several weeks ago will come up from El Tiempo. They just reported that Cali is #1 in the country in atracos (muggings) and Barranquilla is #2. As for homicides per 100k, the latest data is Cali 60 BAQ 53 MDE 35 BOG 16. In comparison Rio was 45 for that same year (2006).

Having said that, the risk of muggings in Bogota is VERY real and not something to be taken lightly either, however taking common-sense precautions (like not being drunk alone on the street at night or taking a taxi parked RIGHT outside a nightclub nobody called for you, don't walk away from and come back to your drink etc.) will go a very long way towards preventing any problems.

Guerilla related activity, I doubt there's much of that anymore there. MDE AND the whole Carib coast are heavy paraco areas for that matter. And somehow I don't think an ISGer is going to be trapising around the peripherial areas of Bucaramanga and step on a land mine :P What Bogota (and EVERY OTHER CITY THERE) does have is gangs of ex-paras extorting and mugging people. I always recommend that people don't go south of the graveyard in Teusaquillo because THAT's where all the halfway houses where these people live are. Nobody would even WANT to do that anyways, there's really nothing there but houses :P

To be brutally frank, if you speak nothing else than English and only want p4p action I'd recommend just taking the longer flight to Rio and heading straight for the thermas where the price is fixed and security is tight and the girls are screened. Spanish is KEY in Colombia, everybody wants to speak it but very few people do. The better your Spanish, the more of Colombia will open up to you, regardless of the city. I went down there for the first time with what I THOUGHT was great Spanish only to realize how terribly we really speak Spanish in NY :P

Based on crime risk, I would DEFINITELY recommend Cartagena or Bogota for the newcomer to Colombia over any other place.

I previously asked on another thread about gifts to bring on an upcoming trip to Bogota. Someone suggested chocolates. I was wondering, however, how Victoria's Secrets lingere or some of those hot little Playboy outfits might go over. That, and I was considering bringing some "Miami" tank tops and/or Univ or Miami gear. Since it seems like that's where alot of Colombianas are trying to get to. Just asking for opinions. Wouldn't wanna offer the stuff and it be taken the wrong way. I just want to be able to get 2 or 3 girls who'll be willing to latch on to me for a few days without me having to pay. So, I hope to give a small token of appreciation at the end of it all, besides just money. Thanks!

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I think it all depends on what one is worried about as far as crime goes. If one were to take the 7 larger cities plus the countryside and classify crime I think you can pretty much have 2 different lists.
A) bombings/potential of kidnap by guerillas

B) anything from petty crime, pickpockets, stabbings and injuries or death by gun in the middle of a robbery and murder because you pissed the wrong person off. All the time you will see planned muggings/robberies which turn into serious injury or death mainly because no one is going to stop them or look for them. A lot of these can be done by Parachos etc... but that is really not their business.

So the first list(A) in order of most dangerous IMO
1) Cali (wihout a doubt)
2) any area outside of large cities or in the countryside where heavy guerilla activity takes place or small towns with heavy guerila activity.
3) Bogota (it's the capital... shit happens here for press)

Those top 3 are in a league of their own for this category. There is a dropoff in my opionion down to Medellin for this type of activity.

4) Medellin (lots of guerillas but I think the top 3 are in a league of thier own)

There is a very very significant dropoff in my opinion from Medellin to #5, 6, and 7 for this type of activity.

5) Santa Marta (one would think more stuff would happen here due to Paracho control... but when was the last time someone heard of a bomb or kidnapping IN Santa Marta?)
6) Bucaramanga
7) Barranquilla (I've heard of bombs in Barranquilla... but due to guerilla control in Santa Marta and all around Bucaramanga I would still say the odds are greater for this type of crime in Santa Marta or Bucaramanga than Barranquilla even though the stats won't support that opinion)

Now the drop from 5,6, and 7 to Cartagena for this kind of activity is so large.

8) Cartagena (I think the odds of a kidnapping or a bombing in Cartagena is lower than the 50 largest cities in the US)

Ok now the B list... crimes that fall in this category listed above.
1) Cali- No question without a doubt this is #1 for crime.. why? Guerilla area and also think about how many people don't have jobs.
2T) Bogota (a lot more in Bogota than in Barranquilla, but it is also much larger... think about the crime in the largest city in any country... incidence wise it's always toward the top)
2T) Barranquilla- per capita wise and the odds of it happening to YOU are probably greater here than in Bogota. Why is Barranquilla crime higher than crime in Medellin? Answer... a lot less jobs in Barranquilla. And where there aren't a lot of jobs.. shit happens. Further, one might think in Barranquilla that it is safer in the north. This is absolutely incorrect. Most of the muggings and roberies happen in the north. Why? What good does it do to rob someone that doesn't have any money on them. Odds are someone walking down the street in the north has a lot more cash in his pocket or home than someone in the south.
4) Medellin- again.. high guerilla and ex guerilla thugs. Why is Medellin below Barranquilla? Well for one there are a lot more jobs in Medellin, and where there are not a lot of jobs. Shit happens.

I think after those top 4 there is a big drop off to #5.

5) Santa Marta- you just don't hear about robberies in Santa Marta. After all the parachos control the town and take whatever moeny they want from the store owners for "protection" anyways so why would parachos rob a gringo?
6) Bucaramanga
7) Cartagena - I'm assuming the touristy areas when I say Cartagena as most gringos don't venture off to where the real citizens live. Even if they do, Cartagena would still be classified in this 5, 6, 7 group.

I think those are 2 very fair lists. But at the end of the day... you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the wrong person off or sleep with and then really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the novia of a paracho and you can pretty much assume you are a dead man in any city... I guess that happening deserves it's own list because I think the odds of this happening are greatest in Santa Marta and Medellin because that is where you will find the most novias of Parachos turning tricks. Santa Marta in the bars. Medellin- heck street walkers, bars, chicas you meet at the mall.... you just never know. This may sound kind of stupid.. ie. why would the novia of a paracho or even the novia of a comandante of a paracho be turning tricks or working in a bar in Santa Marta or as a puta in Medellin? It's Colombia and it happens.

That's my opinion on the danger lists and having been to and knowing them all pretty well (with the exception of Bucaramanga) I think it's a pretty accurate opinion regardless of what stats may say. Ah.. and in list #2 I didnt put the entry for countryside/small towns. Why? Because that is very very area driven as well as changing daily. I.e. there's a big difference between the busride from Cartagena to Santa Marta and the busride from say... Tayrona to the Venezuelan border. I.e. I don't recommend getting off the bus and doing much sight-seeing and having a soda pop in Macaio.. nor stopping in Cienaga between Barranquilla and Santa Marta. There are just so many dangerous little areas... and then there are a lot of perfectly safe towns.. so one just cant classify the crime without putting every small town on the list.



[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]To be clear I have only been to Bogota and surrounding area. I am just talking based on official statistics. How good are official statistics? Well, Colombia uses the FBI's uniform crime reporting methods but for ANY place you have to ask that same question, I consider them a rough guide, no more, no less.

Tom, if you go to CB, do a search for Cali Barranquilla atracos and an article posted several weeks ago will come up from El Tiempo. They just reported that Cali is #1 in the country in atracos (muggings) and Barranquilla is #2. As for homicides per 100k, the latest data is Cali 60 BAQ 53 MDE 35 BOG 16. In comparison Rio was 45 for that same year (2006).

Having said that, the risk of muggings in Bogota is VERY real and not something to be taken lightly either, however taking common-sense precautions (like not being drunk alone on the street at night or taking a taxi parked RIGHT outside a nightclub nobody called for you, don't walk away from and come back to your drink etc.) will go a very long way towards preventing any problems.

Guerilla related activity, I doubt there's much of that anymore there. MDE AND the whole Carib coast are heavy paraco areas for that matter. And somehow I don't think an ISGer is going to be trapising around the peripherial areas of Bucaramanga and step on a land mine :P What Bogota (and EVERY OTHER CITY THERE) does have is gangs of ex-paras extorting and mugging people. I always recommend that people don't go south of the graveyard in Teusaquillo because THAT's where all the halfway houses where these people live are. Nobody would even WANT to do that anyways, there's really nothing there but houses :P

To be brutally frank, if you speak nothing else than English and only want p4p action I'd recommend just taking the longer flight to Rio and heading straight for the thermas where the price is fixed and security is tight and the girls are screened. Spanish is KEY in Colombia, everybody wants to speak it but very few people do. The better your Spanish, the more of Colombia will open up to you, regardless of the city. I went down there for the first time with what I THOUGHT was great Spanish only to realize how terribly we really speak Spanish in NY :P

Based on crime risk, I would DEFINITELY recommend Cartagena or Bogota for the newcomer to Colombia over any other place.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the names but not necessarily the descriptions. You are making it out like Barranquilleras are dark like people from Cartagena. That is incorrect.

Here's my take...
Barranquilleras are mainly triguena(olive skinned) and generally speaking have great asses, small in the tit department and are premiscuous and easier to get in the sack.

Calenas- again mainly triguenas and generally speaking have good asses and better tits than Barranquilleras. Calenas are known to be great amantes. I.e. married but sleep with others... this happens a lot in Barranquilla as well. But Colombianos would prefer to have a Calena amante because they are known to be more cuerpado. If you have to compare 2 groups I would say Barranquilleras and Calenas are the most similar, with gals from

Bucaramanga pretty similar to both Barranquilleras and Calenas in skin color.. but nowhere near Barrnaquilleras or Calenas in the ass department or attitude department.

Paisas- typically have the best tits. Due to plastic surgery their asses also now compare to Calenas and Barranquilleras. They are much harder to get in the sack though than a Barranquillera or a Calena. Whiter skin than any other city. A lot more attitude than a Barranquillera or Calena.

Cachacas- unfortuntely cachacas drink from a different water kettle. Generally speaking cachacas don't have ass or tits and are the worst in the attitude department. I.e. If a Colombiano (and many extranjeros) asks a cachaca in the street for directions... many won't even stop to reply.
Thing is.. even though cachacas have no tits, ass, and a bad atitude... she still beats the hell out of a gringa in all 3 departments. Ah.. and I should make a clarification. I am refering to a cachaca as a chica from Bogota... but as you pointed out a cachaca can also be the term a costena calls someone from anywhere except the coast. This is true. I should be using the term Rolo as you mentioned. It's just I'm so accustomed to living in Barranquilla and they call them Cacahacas and I do as they do... so. Rolo isnt really in my vocabulary.
chica from Cartagena- mainly black... but also many triguenas.
chica from Guajira- again triguenas and blacks.
And yes.. a costena is anyone from Barranquilla, Santa Marta, Cartagena, Valledupar, Guajira.

Attitude-wise a costena from anywhere typically has a much better attitude than anywhere else. But feature-wise... costenas differ in each of the cities. Ah.. .regarding attiutude to sex... like I said, Calenas are friendly toward it like a Costena. But, one that I left out.... chicas de Pereira... they are considered Paisas and white skinned and bodily features like a chica from Medellin. Difference... Chicas from Medellin.. .big attitude. Chicas from Pereira... tell her to sit down and she'll lie down and open her legs :-)



[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I'm gonna quote this and elaborate on it for the benefit of a poster who enquired in another section... remember you can change the 'o' at the end to an 'a' to make it feminine :P

Cachaco is a term used on the coast for people from anywhere in the Andean highlands, i.e. Bogota, Medellin, Manizales etc.

Costeño is a term for someone living in the Atlantic coast, Cartagena, Santa Marta, Barranquilla, Valledupar, etc. These people are usually mixed and look like what we would call mulattos. The Atlantic coast I believe encompasses the departments of Atlantico, Bolivar, Magdalena, and La Guajira, which is mostly rural.

Rolo means somebody native to Bogota. It is like Cockney is to London, and is NOT properly used for people outside of the city. Bogota is it's own district , Bogota DC (districto capital) like Washington DC. It is surrounded by the department of Cundinamarca. Many people in Bogota are NOT native Rolos, having come from other parts of the country. The Rolas GENERALLY have a Pocahontas look, but more yellow-skinned, long straight black hair, aquiline features, and fairly short by North American standards.

Bumengense(/a) is someone from Bucaramanga, capital of Santander department. They tend to be taller, brown skinned and big in the ass department (although that can be said about the Costeñas as well.)

Vallunos are people from the department of Valle de Cauca, which includes Cali. Vallunos can be any color but are generally darker. People from Buenaventura are VERY dark.

Chocoanos are people from the department of Chocó which is on the Pacific coast above Buenaventura, and are the darkest people in Colombia on average, many of them being 100% African descent.

Paisas (spelled the same regardless of gender) are people from the Eje Cafetero, Medellin and Manizales, and surrounding areas, encompassing mostly the departments of Antioquia, Caldas, and Quindio. They tend to be the tallest, slimmest, lightest-skinned people in Colombia. In terms of classical beauty Medellin is thought to have the prettiest women in Colombia, but if you like big ass, you might be disappointed.

The Bogota accent is very crisp and formal, and they speak VERY quickly. They often ADD s's onto the ends of words. The Costeños on the other hand speak a lot like Dominicans, and MISS s's for example 'nosotros' becomes 'nojotroj'. The Vallunos speak with a very round soft sensual accent, and the Paisas speak like they have marbles in their mouths and often turn 's' to 'sh' like the Galicians or Portuguese do.[/QUOTE]

That is a very good list, one of the best I have ever seen. I would agree also with most of it. Fact is, no matter how much you explain it to people it does not sink in to a lot of their heads.

I met someone once who just had to go backpacking by himself. No matter what was said to him he was convinced all the poor people in the little towns were just good ol' folks who were down on their luck. He got robbed and beaten not far from Cartagena.

I know another guy who was so paranoid about the rest of Colombia he would never leave Cartagena. One night he got robbed by street bums in Central. This is so rare it is almost unheard of. But they must have smelled his fear just like they went after the old lady Italian tourist who they killed. They criminals prey on the weak and stupid.

There are other gringos living in the worse parts of Cali and Bogota. Some of these guys come from some type of criminal background in their own countries. They know how to interact well in those environments and never have a problem even in areas where no normal person would think of going at night. I know one guy who carries a 9mm in unimaginable ghettos just waiting for the opportunity to use it.

I read so many reports with so many perspectives that it becomes a mess of information where nothing is clear anymore. Myself, I lived in South Africa and Rio for several years. There is no city in Colombia I would consider anywhere as dangerous then these two places. Once you live in places like this you begin to sense where to go and where not to go, there really is no need for a guide.

Medellin, for instance, really is a picnic compared to Rio at night. I have walked around Poblado and Evigado at any hour with almost no concern about being robbed. In Rio, if you do not think about where you are going you have a very good chance of getting robbed whereas in Medellin it is the exception. Yet, there are plenty of guys who still talk about Medellin as being this big bad scary place. I am sure walking around in a strata 1 at night in Medellin would be suicide for most people. But who the hell would do that? There is no purpose to go into the ghetto. When I lived in the U.S. I did not go roaming the ghettos at night so why do it in Medellin? 95% of all the crime is happening in the ghetto not in the strata 5 or 6 areas.

Would I consider NYC safe? I would say yes it is. I have no problem walking around Manhattan any time of day or night. Would I go into the NY ghettos at night? Hell no! But that does not make me classify NYC as dangerous. If some guy who lived all his life in Idaho ventured to NYC for the first time, he might classify it wrongly as being unsafe. Maybe he would write to his wife and say "dear, it is very dangerous here! Lots of ghettos!".....but why did he go to the ghetto and not just stay in Manhatten? What happens in the ghettos is irrelevant if you do not go into them! This same logic as it applies to NYC also applies to cities in South America.

For myself, getting robbed in Cartagena is incomprehensible. In Medellin? Maybe if I had realllllllllllllly bad luck. Bogota? I have seen some scary looking street people who would probably stab me in the back if I let them. I just do not turn my back on these people and they turn away when they see you are not nervous. If I was walking around looking scared I would probably have been robbed once or twice in Bogota. Cali? I would say Cali has a very small area for gringos, and only experienced travellers should go there. I never had a problem but sometimes bullets go flying in the wrong direction just like they do in U.S. ghettos. Problem with Cali is most of it is borderline ghetto. Santa Marta? I could care less about those FARC guys or whoever they say is running the place now. FARC has no interest in myself. If I were to get kidnapped it would be a matter of verrrrrrrrrrrry bad luck. Barranquilla has a larger growing upper-class area now than it did 4 years ago. I feel perfectly safe around B.V. shopping area. But it changes fast. As soon as I start seeing locos hanging around I know it is time to turn around.

For a newbie, I would say go to Cartagena, Santa Marta or Medellin and not to worry too much unless you are stupid. But the problem is stupid people do not realize they are stupid, in fact, most think they are very smart. So lets say newbies from Idaho. If you are a first timer from Idaho, here are the places to go. Go to Cartagena but stay in Bocogande and Laguito. Go into central only with another friend because you might find the 7 year old kids intimidating. Go to Santa Marta but only stay in Rodadero or one of the beach resorts. Go to Medellin but stay in Poblado. After you have done these things once, venture out a little more.

Finally, what really cracks me up is how tender and sweet the girls are from some of these areas yet the gringos are PAR-A-NOID. I know tiny 18 year old girls who are afraid of spiders but live in some of the worse areas of Barranquilla and Medellin. They go to their homes without fear. It is true that a local is less likely to get robbed than a gringo but still the locos know these girls have money. I know one girl who is about 85 pounds from a strata 2 in Medellin. She said if the locos bother her she kicks them in the balls and screams. On the other hand, I still read about big fat gringos who are afraid to leave Bocogrande.

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Not trying to antagonize you. You make some great points. However, with Colombia, you really need to consider the source.

Point in fact, how many Colombians do you know who actually report street crimes to the police? El Tiempo or whoever can use FBI techniques. But Colombians are NOT contacting the police over crimes like people in the USA. Therefore, that info is pretty skewed. To be honest, the rare times that I recall police being called is when something happens to a gringo.

I put more faith the word of mouth of locals, and my own experiences, much moreso than stats.

[QUOTE=Winner71]Chicas from Pereira... tell her to sit down and she'll lie down and open her legs :-)[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry I don't agree with you. I am chatting with many peoples around Colombia and they tell me Girls of Perira are more shy compared to girls of Barranquilla. Perhaps the girls of Pereira are less shy when you meet them outside Pereira, in other towns. ;)