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[QUOTE=Exodus8;2014963]Thats why I have shifted from fiat money to gold, LOL.
Stocks, properties etc so I can continue exploring the FKK galaxy.[/QUOTE]Bad news for you gold, stocks, properties etc. Have no real value without any demand after economy collapse. But lets go back to girls topic and lets hope galaxy don't implode.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2014825]World and Finca (not technically Hessen, but out of reach region further away from Hessen) are really not effected by tourists. Both, the clientele are mainly local Germans.[/QUOTE]I understand your point.
That's why I replace my favorite club from Sharks (which I stick with back in 2014) with one of the clubs in NRW now.
Dusseldorf also has an International airport and a Messe like Frankfurt does, but there are not too many International tourists in clubs, nor there are girls starting making their own price to rip tourists off.
So, I guess Hessen and NRW have different cultures?
I'm losing my grip. Second time scammed on this trip. I took an FKK girl out for the day, at an agreed price. I didn't agree the hours, and after 3 hours it turns out that she considered her part of the contract fulfilled. At least inside FKK the rate per 30 minutes is clear. I am really p. The off. The girl is so stupid as she has now lost her best customer. Sometimes the sight of 50 euro notes rots their brains.
On the plus side, recently I was able to visit an ex FKK worker for a hug, a chat and a coffee, so my approach sometimes has long lasting benefits.
And later this year I go to Romania to see an ex-worker. We will see how that turns out.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2015067]I'm losing my grip. Second time scammed on this trip. I took an FKK girl out for the day, at an agreed price. I didn't agree the hours, and after 3 hours it turns out that she considered her part of the contract fulfilled. At least inside FKK the rate per 30 minutes is clear. I am really p. The off. The girl is so stupid as she has now lost her best customer. Sometimes the sight of 50 euro notes rots their brains.
On the plus side, recently I was able to visit an ex FKK worker for a hug, a chat and a coffee, so my approach sometimes has longlasting benefits.
And later this year I go to Romania to see an ex-worker. We will see how that turns out.[/QUOTE]Thats why I never considered taking a girl out of the club. But you should've agreed on price, duration, services incl. Etc.
Some gals are too stupid to think long term investment or perhaps she thought you werent going to stick around.
Meeting and visiting ex worker just to chat? No freebies for old times sake, LOL.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2015067]I'm losing my grip. Second time scammed on this trip. I took an FKK girl out for the day, at an agreed price. I didn't agree the hours, and after 3 hours it turns out that she considered her part of the contract fulfilled. At least inside FKK the rate per 30 minutes is clear. I am really p. The off. The girl is so stupid as she has now lost her best customer. Sometimes the sight of 50 euro notes rots their brains.
[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear. What was the first time you got scammed? I am reading between the lines, but it sounds like you agreed on 300 EUR and expected more than three hours. The assumption would be that you've taken her out of the club multiple times and she did not charge you club rate any of the previous times, but this time she decided to enforce the club rate. In other words, you didn't discuss hours, because you had past history with her. Correct?
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2014799]I agree that the 50 euro for a good 30 min session is a bit outdated and underpriced.[/QUOTE]In Madrid you can pay 250 E / h, and still not get BBBJ / DFK. In Barcelona you can pay an escort 300- 400 E / h, and still BBBJ / DFK is not guranteed. In Barcelona the same girl that quotes 300- 400 E / h is often out of work and therefore sells same services in a brothel for 150 E / h (and maybe with DFK / BBBJ included!). In the same city there are brothels offering the total package for 60 E / h. Our "hobby" is a fool's theatre built on illusions where there is very little correlation between "quality" and money spent.
The FKK Clubs should simply get back to the basics with fixed prices for certain "guaranteed" services. Apart from the safety, nudicty, food and spa facilities, the German way of thinking service standards at an affordable fixed price is the very success criterium that made FKK Clubs the preferred scene for mongering. Unlike the rip-offs at the RLDs where you never know what you get. Or overpriced escorts out of work (it's rarely as lucrative as it seems, risk of "bait & switch", photoshopped pictures, ++).
Comparing across countries doesn't yield useful insights, in my view. Yes, in the US we pay $30 for a 3 min lap dance, and in Thailand perhaps you can get a girl for a whole night for that much, but what would that prove?
The reality is that many girls are giving worse service and scamming on time. What is a *workable* solution? Right here, people just blame newbies, tourists, Americans, and Asians (although more than half of members commenting here are Asians and Americans), as if banning these groups will make the problem alright. Even if that were true, such a ban will never happen. Girls do grumble about giving all for a fifty, but many are giving relatively decent service for a hundred per HR. So, clearly they think the fifty for half HR is too low. And when we look at what one can buy for a fifty in Frankfurt, turns out not a whole lot. An attractive young woman is right to expect a proper living wage for sucking all and sundry dicks and letting those be shoved into her pussy.
If there is no correlation between price and quality of service, do we think that it is feasible to reduce the price to 50 an hr? Supply would drop to zero. It has been in rough balance with demand at 50 per half hr, but over a decade there is inflation and the lousy service and increased scamming is clearly attributable in some measure to this fixed price that hasn't changed in a decade.
[QUOTE=Shark16;2015162]In Madrid you can pay 250 E / h, and still not get BBBJ / DFK. In Barcelona you can pay an escort 300- 400 E / h, and still BBBJ / DFK is not guranteed. In Barcelona the same girl that quotes 300- 400 E / h is often out of work and therefore sells same services in a brothel for 150 E / h (and maybe with DFK / BBBJ included!). In the same city there are brothels offering the total package for 60 E / h. Our "hobby" is a fool's theatre built on illusions where there is very little correlation between "quality" and money spent.
The FKK Clubs should simply get back to the basics with fixed prices for certain "guaranteed" services. Apart from the safety, nudicty, food and spa facilities, the German way of thinking service standards at an affordable fixed price is the very success criterium that made FKK Clubs the preferred scene for mongering. Unlike the rip-offs at the RLDs where you never know what you get. Or overpriced escorts out of work (it's rarely as lucrative as it seems, risk of "bait & switch", photoshopped pictures, ++).[/QUOTE]Are they Romanians? Are these girls getting the same volume of clients? A Romanian is not worth as much as say a born and bred German girl. Prostitution is racist.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2015153]Sorry to hear. What was the first time you got scammed? I am reading between the lines, but it sounds like you agreed on 300 EUR and expected more than three hours. The assumption would be that you've taken her out of the club multiple times and she did not charge you club rate any of the previous times, but this time she decided to enforce the club rate. In other words, you didn't discuss hours, because you had past history with her. Correct?[/QUOTE]First scam was in the Frankfurt RLD. I reported on this.
You are roughly right. This was the first time out with this girl, but I failed to fix the number of hours, just the money. The understanding was that it would not be at club rate, especially as no sex was involved! I realise I'm an idiot but thought it might be a cautionary tale for others to get the contract clear.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2015172]Comparing across countries doesn't yield useful insights, in my view. Yes, in the US we pay $30 for a 3 min lap dance, and in Thailand perhaps you can get a girl for a whole night for that much, but what would that prove?
The reality is that many girls are giving worse service and scamming on time. What is a *workable* solution? Right here, people just blame newbies, tourists, Americans, and Asians (although more than half of members commenting here are Asians and Americans), as if banning these groups will make the problem alright. Even if that were true, such a ban will never happen. Girls do grumble about giving all for a fifty, but many are giving relatively decent service for a hundred per HR. So, clearly they think the fifty for half HR is too low. And when we look at what one can buy for a fifty in Frankfurt, turns out not a whole lot. An attractive young woman is right to expect a proper living wage for sucking all and sundry dicks and letting those be shoved into her pussy.
If there is no correlation between price and quality of service, do we think that it is feasible to reduce the price to 50 an hr? Supply would drop to zero. It has been in rough balance with demand at 50 per half hr, but over a decade there is inflation and the lousy service and increased scamming is clearly attributable in some measure to this fixed price that hasn't changed in a decade.[/QUOTE]I go to many clubs with almost only German clients and service on average is way better than you find in the bigger "tourist clubs", cheaper in most cases as well. I've had ridiculously good service for 30 E for half an hour and many terrible sessions at 50 for half an hour (or 70 in Austria). Within the sauna club system there is no real correlation between price and service, but there is quite a high correlation between service and club (prices fixed of course). Acapulco or Mondial draw a certain crowd and that is reflected in the limited service. Luderlounge and Babylon draw a very different crowd, with matching service. This is true for most clubs (just see how quickly different price settings spread across girls in Oase or Sharks).
I still pay the same as always and in general have similar sessions as I used to have. This does mean clubs in Hessen have stopped being interesting for me.
[QUOTE=Craiova;2014965]Bad news for you gold, stocks, properties etc. Have no real value without any demand after economy collapse. But lets go back to girls topic and lets hope galaxy don't implode.[/QUOTE]I don't think Germany is very important. GFC were some good mongering times. Wish is known about FKK back then.
It would be sad to see prices increase. Currently one of the things that attracts to visit in Germany are the affordable prices of girls. I can get a good 30 min session at home from 90 euros to 150 euros, usually 100 euros but the supply of girls is very limited and of course no sauna clubs.
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2014937]I hope the German economy collapses, then FKK will be full of German girls.[/QUOTE]Great plan. Wait for it.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2015349]Great plan. Wait for it.
HB.[/QUOTE]If german economy collapses, whole EU collapses, then FKK will be filled with not just German girls, but all the European girls, no rooms for Romanians LOL.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2015349]Great plan. Wait for it.
HB.[/QUOTE]An economic crash would be an added bonus. The status quo is fine.