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New member and planning my first tourist / mongering trip to Thailand in April for 24 days. Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. Reading forum posts for Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports going back to Jan 14 since I don't know anything. Looking for some recommendations on other cities / countries to visit. Places with both tourism attractions and a mongering scene. Any recommendations would be awesome.

Thank you

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678929]I would like to propose an area of discussion regarding the undying respect some of our fellow members give the working girls here in Thailand. I am curious to know why some of us feel the need to defend the honor of these girls? I am really curious. I would like to give a quick example for the members to ponder. Recently I met a girl from Facebook. White skinned from Changmai. We went out on a couple of dates and planned a Valentines date for the 14th. Great sex after the second date. Her friend I met on one of our dates had met three different Thai guys throughout the evening, two married and one single. She was stringing all of them along because of financial reasons. My girl suddenly out of the blue sends me a line message last night telling me her friend needed 7000 Baht to pay her overdue rent and she wanted to help her but didn't have the Money. Promised she would pay me back. So in her eyes I should give this to her and trust her 100% to pay me back all after two dates. To make a long story short after I said no she began calling me down and sent pictures of her pilot boyfriend to me telling me I was no good and he was good. In conclusion she was also attempting to string me along. So my question again is why do some of the fellow members insist on trying to defend the honor of these girls? In my eyes it's simple. We pay and they stay LOL. If we can keep this discussion civil, I would really like to know.[/QUOTE]Well, in reality a Thai girl's honor is high when she does well at what you described. We must understand that Thailand has a thousands year long tradition in this. It is part of their culture, a rich man can have as many GFs as he wants as long he's paying and treats them well. From Kings to policemen of today. If he doesn't pay, they will just walk away. Of course we're talking about women that are attractive, or sexually skilled. The ones that are not are simply not of an interest to anyone and will stick to the only husband they can find, an stay living in country. Just watch two Thai music videos, and one will be about a beautiful country girl that leaves to go live in Bangkok with a rich man that she doesn't love. If I was playing this game, I would not make a big deal, rather try to learn how to play. E. g when asked 7 K loan, offer 2 K gift with some explanation.

Things change when the foreigner is taken for serious money, first the dowry, then buy land, build house, then loose everything. That is a different game.

But with the city girls is easy to get along fueling the relationship with what you can honestly afford and is worth for the returns you get.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1678992]Well, in reality a Thai girl's honor is high when she does well at what you described. We must understand that Thailand has a thousands year long tradition in this. It is part of their culture, a rich man can have as many GFs as he wants as long he's paying and treats them well. From Kings to policemen of today. If he doesn't pay, they will just walk away. Of course we're talking about women that are attractive, or sexually skilled. The ones that are not are simply not of an interest to anyone and will stick to the only husband they can find, an stay living in country. Just watch two Thai music videos, and one will be about a beautiful country girl that leaves to go live in Bangkok with a rich man that she doesn't love. If I was playing this game, I would not make a big deal, rather try to learn how to play. E. g when asked 7 K loan, offer 2 K gift with some explanation.

Things change when the foreigner is taken for serious money, first the dowry, then buy land, build house, then loose everything. That is a different game.

But with the city girls is easy to get along fueling the relationship with what you can honestly afford and is worth for the returns you get.[/QUOTE]Very good points but why do we defend their honor in this forum? I can't figure it out!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678998]Very good points but why do we defend their honor in this forum? I can't figure it out![/QUOTE]Well actually I've a good opinion about them, is that what you mean (smile) ? They can maintain themselves honestly, what's wrong with that?

You can often read postings like "she has a good job. From a good family. An impressive apartment and drives her own car" or "no money was ever asked or discussed", another pearl is "she seemed embarrassed in accepting the money". That doesn't change things a bit. You can be a young Thai TV star and you would be still expected to pay. It is only when you are known to have no money or fucking someone ugly that you are not.

Once I got to see an house for rent in one of the best neighbors of Bangkok. The very hot girl which family owns it showed up in an BMW convertible, M edition, because she had sold the Mini. From there is was all talks of handling multiple properties until she dropped us off at another Hi-end apartment complex. The young foreigner RE agent that was with me must have soaked the carpet by drooling after her. Now, not that it would ever happen, but if I was to sleep with her I would have no problem to leave 2 or 3 K by the bed stand. She would use them to pay her nails or give to the temple, but I know she would have no objection or problem, perhaps a laugh and a funny comment on the amount.

In some posts I read that the Thai ladies give their BF or husband all the money they earn, in other posts I read that the women are expecting money from the boyfriend husband.

I talked to one Thai female in the states and she says when Thai women get shacked up they combine bank accounts as one right away to share expenses.

So are we taking about normal girls or ladies of the night? Or is there a difference?

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1679008]Well actually I've a good opinion about them, is that what you mean (smile) ? They can maintain themselves honestly, what's wrong with that?

You can often read postings like "she has a good job. From a good family. An impressive apartment and drives her own car" or "no money was ever asked or discussed", another pearl is "she seemed embarrassed in accepting the money". That doesn't change things a bit. You can be a young Thai TV star and you would be still expected to pay. It is only when you are known to have no money or fucking someone ugly that you are not.

Once I got to see an house for rent in one of the best neighbors of Bangkok. The very hot girl which family owns it showed up in an BMW convertible, M edition, because she had sold the Mini. From there is was all talks of handling multiple properties until she dropped us off at another Hi-end apartment complex. The young foreigner RE agent that was with me must have soaked the carpet by drooling after her. Now, not that it would ever happen, but if I was to sleep with her I would have no problem to leave 2 or 3 K by the bed stand. She would use them to pay her nails or give to the temple, but I know she would have no objection or problem, perhaps a laugh and a funny comment on the amount.[/QUOTE]

I am referring to random members posting a photo, contact info, and sharing intimate details about the Thai girl, bar girl or not and having other members tell him it's wrong to do so. My thinking is these thai girls whether they are working in a bar or not could care two shits about any farang. They are quite happily fucking around with us at the same time as their Thai guy. Many times the Thai man even knows and helps spend the money. I was recently just reminded of this so i posted about my experience. Everyday I read about men losing their money to these girls. Just today I read about a bloke who has overstayed his visa by 4 months and was arrested. Guess what? His excuse was a Thai girl drained his money and then left. If I pick up a random girl, freebie or not I could give a rats ass about her reputation just as she could care less about mine. There's no helping them hook up with other customers, helping them find out about our forum. It's a date and sex after, a casual hook up in my room, or a pay for play situation, that's it. For any member on this forum who thinks that these girls actually have any respect for us then please come and see me. I have a nice bridge for sale. Thai culture is about the men taking care of the woman and it seems the Thai men have a lot more leeway in this than farang. I have even seem bar girls or regular girls supporting their Thai boyfriends. Yes I can agree that not all Thai ladies are like how I describe but I have no intention of protecting their reputations, careers and so on. All I do know is I have never had a complaint from any lady after one of our dates. I take them to nice restaurants, bars, for occasional shopping but I certainly will not be scammed out of my money. This is just my opinion. I hope we can continue to discuss this without taking it personal. Happy mongering guys and take care of your wallets!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678929]I would like to propose an area of discussion regarding the undying respect some of our fellow members give the working girls here in Thaialnd. I am curious to know why some of us feel the need to defend the honor of these girls? I am really curious. I would like to give a quick example for the members to ponder. Recently I met a girl from Facebook. White skinned from Changmai. We went out on a couple of dates and planned a Valentines date for the 14th. Great sex after the second date. Her friend I met on one of our dates had met three different Thai guys throughout the evening, two married and one single. She was stringing all of them along because of financial reasons. My girl suddenly out of the blue sends me a line message last night telling me her friend needed 7000 Baht to pay her overdue rent and she wanted to help her but didn't have the Money. Promised she would pay me back. So in her eyes I should give this to her and trust her 100% to pay me back all after two dates. To make a long story short after I said no she began calling me down and sent pictures of her pilot boyfriend to me telling me I was no good and he was good. In conclusion she was also attempting to string me along. So my question again is why do some of the fellow members insist on trying to defend the honor of these girls? In my eyes it's simple. We pay and they stay LOL. If we can keep this discussion civil, I would really like to know.[/QUOTE]To be simple. They are human and so are we and not everyone is cut from the same cookie cutter. Many of us understand exactly what you are talking about and agree with the situation you post but it doesn't mean we have to stoop to that level and label them and generalize. As for defending, no one is insisting. I do not think anyone is defending them no more than you generalizing about your one situation that every Thai girl would do the same.
Would it be right if you met a Thai girl and she told you that she does not like Falang, they are all butterfly come to Thailand and treat us like dogs, lie and then leave. If you heard this it would be obvious that she got burn by a falang would that be fair to you?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1679031]To be simple. They are human and so are we and not everyone is cut from the same cookie cutter. Many of us understand exactly what you are talking about and agree with the situation you post but it doesn't mean we have to stoop to that level and label them and generalize. As for defending, no one is insisting. I do not think anyone is defending them no more than you generalizing about your one situation that every Thai girl would do the same.
Would it be right if you met a Thai girl and she told you that she does not like Falang, they are all butterfly come to Thailand and treat us like dogs, lie and then leave. If you heard this it would be obvious that she got burn by a falang would that be fair to you?[/QUOTE]Good points but I would still never defend their honour on a sex forum. Yes all cultures have good and bad. You would be very surprised what I hear when my date thinks I cannot understand Thai. That's why I just take every date as a in the moment type of thing. In your example it is is fair to say that Thai girls have been burned by foreigners and vice versa. BTW this is just one situation of many I can describe as well as others.

[QUOTE=Deore27;1678978]New member and planning my first tourist / mongering trip to Thailand in April for 24 days. Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. Reading forum posts for Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports going back to Jan 14 since I don't know anything. Looking for some recommendations on other cities / countries to visit. Places with both tourism attractions and a mongering scene. Any recommendations would be awesome.

Thank you[/QUOTE]Chiang Mai is in interesting city to visit, but there is no mongering scene to speak of. Hua Hin is also a nice beach town. It's a popular vacation destination for Thais. Both are places you'd want to visit with a honey you met in Bangkok or Pattaya. It would not be hard to find a young lady who would be delighted to go with you. In other countries Phnom Penh is an option. Read posts in the PP thread to help you decide. Angeles City, Philippines is a very popular mongering destination. Again, read the ISG thread. Another option is Macau, specifically the saunas. Macau is more expensive than Bangkok, Pattaya, PP and AC, but the saunas are very interesting. Read the Macau Sauna thread. There are many very god posts that explain in detail how these venues work.

Also, I strongly recommend you pay the US$20 fee and become a senior member with the ability to send and receive private messages. You will get more help from other senior members if they see you are helping to financially support this forum.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678929]I would like to propose an area of discussion regarding the undying respect some of our fellow members give the working girls here in Thaialnd. I am curious to know why some of us feel the need to defend the honor of these girls? I am really curious. I would like to give a quick example for the members to ponder. Recently I met a girl from Facebook. White skinned from Changmai. We went out on a couple of dates and planned a Valentines date for the 14th. Great sex after the second date. Her friend I met on one of our dates had met three different Thai guys throughout the evening, two married and one single. She was stringing all of them along because of financial reasons. My girl suddenly out of the blue sends me a line message last night telling me her friend needed 7000 Baht to pay her overdue rent and she wanted to help her but didn't have the Money. Promised she would pay me back. So in her eyes I should give this to her and trust her 100% to pay me back all after two dates. To make a long story short after I said no she began calling me down and sent pictures of her pilot boyfriend to me telling me I was no good and he was good. In conclusion she was also attempting to string me along. So my question again is why do some of the fellow members insist on trying to defend the honor of these girls? In my eyes it's simple. We pay and they stay LOL. If we can keep this discussion civil, I would really like to know.[/QUOTE]IMHO, you are mixing up a lot of things that are quiet different. I'm not criticizing you, just giving my own point of view and YMMV.

A "relationship" with a working girl is strictly "business". I don't pay them to stay, I pay them to go away in the morning without any drama; hopefully the sex was good, it may even have been a nice GFE, but there are no real feelings involved. I don't get their FB, email, line or whatever kind of address or even their telephone number. I'm not interested in their friends or family. I'm not on a date with her. We've had our fun and that's it.

Anything more and I'd consider to be on my way to friendship or love. And in Thailand that means you (as the rich farang) will indeed pay for her to stay. The more affluent pay for the less well-off. Actually whether you are a farang or a Thai doesn't matter and perhaps it goes even more for a Thai.

Giving her 7000 baht (or any amount of money or presents) will increase your "face" with her and co-incidentally her giving the money to her friend will increase her standing in her social environment as well. Maybe she will pay you back (in money or services) but that is besides the issue. You are a few steps higher up now because of your jai dee (good heart) and that counts for a lot in Thailand. Our culture values independence and self-reliance whereas the Thail culture is all about connections and status. Next time you ask something from her she'll be honor bound to deliver, but (depending on the "value" of your request) that may then put you in her social debt.

To give you a real example: last time I was in Thailland me and my GF went for a dinner and -as usual- we met some of her friends and she could not do otherwise than to invite them. Of course I paid for the whole dinner. A few days later I asked my GF where I could get a haircut. She grabbed her phone and called one of the friends that joined us for dinner. The guy came by on his motorcycle and drove me to a barber shop, stayed with me the whole time, bought me a coconut drink and drove me back to the hotel. That's the way these things work in Thailand.

But don't misunderstand me. For sure there are mercenary types who abuse this system, but usually you'll find out quickly.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678998]Very good points but why do we defend their honor in this forum? I can't figure it out![/QUOTE]I'd defend anyone's honor in any forum if it was wrongly put into question.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1679171]I'd defend anyone's honor in any forum if it was wrongly put into question.[/QUOTE]I think that with "defending honor" Bkkdog was referring to members that object to posting explicit details or pictures of a girl. That is a subjective matter and discussion that I'm not even interested to have.

[QUOTE=Deore27;1678978]New member and planning my first tourist / mongering trip to Thailand in April for 24 days. Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. Reading forum posts for Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports going back to Jan 14 since I don't know anything. Looking for some recommendations on other cities / countries to visit. Places with both tourism attractions and a mongering scene. Any recommendations would be awesome.

Thank you[/QUOTE]Ah, the typical "I am so busy and must cram everything in as short a time as possible" Western attitude!

24 days will be over before you know it.

One week in Bangkok allows you to barely scratch the surface of both touristy and mongering spots. A few days in Kanchanaburi (of "Bridge over the River Kwai" fame) will show you a totaly different part of Thailand. Then move to Pattaya and again a week will be too short to see and experience its sights. Going back to Bangkok for your last few days will give you a nice closure to your trip.

Remember, This is Thailand (TIT) where no plan ever survives contact.

[QUOTE=Deore27;1678978]Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1679178]24 days will be over before you know it.[/QUOTE]My suggestions are options, but I strongly encourage you to think carefully about W's advice. He knows what he's talking about.

If you do a fair amount of research and arrived with a good idea of what is available in Bangkok and Pattaya, you might discover 24 days is not enough time for just those two destinations. Also Bangkok and Pattaya are different enough so one will not be just a repeat of the other. If you read back through enough posts you'll discover that each city has its fans.

[QUOTE=Deore27;1678978]New member and planning my first tourist / mongering trip to Thailand in April for 24 days. Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. Reading forum posts for Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports going back to Jan 14 since I don't know anything. Looking for some recommendations on other cities / countries to visit. Places with both tourism attractions and a mongering scene. Any recommendations would be awesome.

Thank you[/QUOTE]Germany has a great FKK scene, check out the german FKK section.

Do you have the budget for such a long trip set aside (and how to access it when oversea's)? Hope your not planning on bringing enough cash to get you thru a 24 day trip.

What about angeles city? Search for some flights into clark field (CRK) out of Bangkok.

Splurge for the $20 membership fee so you can receive pm's, you'll get better info that way.

p.s. I'll be there at the end of April, will post my dates in the travel announcement section when my trips close to departing.