General Reports

Thanks Wolvenvacht, Paul and Breadman for your advice.

[quote=Wolvenvacht;1679178]One week in Bangkok allows you to barely scratch the surface of both touristy and mongering spots. A few days in Kanchanaburi (of "Bridge over the River Kwai" fame) will show you a totally different part of Thailand. Then move to Pattaya and again a week will be too short to see and experience its sights. Going back to Bangkok for your last few days will give you a nice closure to your trip[/quote].My penciled plan was to start in Bangkok (5 nights), no plan, Pattaya (5 nights), and Bangkok (2-3 nights) to close out the trip. This would give me close to 10 days to find something to do. Kanchanaburi does sound like a awesome place to get away to for a few days.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1679213]Do you have the budget for such a long trip set aside (and how to access it when oversea's)?[/QUOTE]I do have a budget in mind for the trip. Will definitely bring cash with me, but not my full budget. I feel that it's always good to have access to US dollars. Then use ATMs for cash when needed. Read on the ISG forums that Charles Schwab is a good option. Looking into that.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1679213]Splurge for the $20 membership fee so you can receive pm's, you'll get better info that way.[/QUOTE]I did splurge on a $20 membership. Should be able to send / receive PMs. Noticed that it's a good idea to paid sub when asking questions and doing research.

What about beach recommendations? I know Pattaya is a beach city, but I do hear that its crowded and polluted. Not as crowded and a great place to relax for 3 nights.

Thanks again everyone.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1679017]In some posts I read that the Thai ladies give their BF or husband all the money they earn, in other posts I read that the women are expecting money from the boyfriend husband.

I talked to one Thai female in the states and she says when Thai women get shacked up they combine bank accounts as one right away to share expenses.

So are we taking about normal girls or ladies of the night? Or is there a difference?[/QUOTE]"Is there a difference?" You can't be serious.

Traditionally the woman "ran the house" and managed the money. The husband gave his paycheck to the wife, who then paid bills, bought food, whatever. Sometimes there were variations, like the man gave the woman an allotment with which to run the house and he kept the rest. Traditionally, if the woman earned money, she kept it for herself. It will take too long to go into the whys and wherefores of these traditions. Today they have regular community property laws, etc. , so the younger generations may often combine their earnings.

Now, on the other end of the spectrum you have the bar girls who give their earnings to some guy, who then snorts / smokes / injects it. The guy is called a "Maeng Daa" and that is not a compliment. Regular Thai ladies look down on a woman who would give her money to such a man. And all you have to do is to look at a picture of the Maeng Dar Crab to see what society in general thinks of the man who is supported by these women.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679039]Good points but I would still never defend their honour on a sex forum. Yes all cultures have good and bad. You would be very surprised what I hear when my date thinks I cannot understand Thai. That's why I just take every date as a in the moment type of thing. In your example it is is fair to say that Thai girls have been burned by foreigners and vice versa. BTW this is just one situation of many I can describe as well as others.[/QUOTE]Funny, we are on ISG, not Facebook, Twitter, etc. Where should one actually defend them or one's position. I too agree we all have lots of stories and each one or example are different so should we or you place a basic answer to all situation or conversation. Sure we are mostly talking about P4 P ladies whether they hide behind a dating site so should we just assumed that is where they are now. That being said someone mentioned about posting picture girls from some of these dating website. I'm not for or against since I have no idea how and never posted a picture but I think people have to take things into perspective and not just assume it is okay To do, to me it is just common sense. We have the advantage? How would one feel if one of these girls posted a picture on a dating website and said something negative?

Personally, I think the majority of the dating website here in Thailand is a hide away for P4 P, based on their economy and culture begins and ends with money. Why would a Thai want to hook up with a Falang if it can't benefit them to a better life. Sure there is real love as we want to believe it but Thai relationship outside of their own race is to better themselves, not stay even or go below the line. If you have nothing to offer and for them to show you off they would lose face in front of friends and family. Unless, you are young, in Thai if you can't buy them a house, support them, what are you doing with this old fuck? 555. Now that is a generalization but that doesn't mean I wouldn't give her a chance and defend her etc. To get into her pants. And if she burns me etc. Then I can lump her in with the rest?

[QUOTE=Deore27;1679237]My penciled plan was to start in Bangkok (5 nights), no plan, Pattaya (5 nights), and Bangkok (2-3 nights) to close out the trip. This would give me close to 10 days to find something to do. Kanchanaburi does sound like a awesome place to get away to for a few days.

What about beach recommendations? I know Pattaya is a beach city, but I do hear that its crowded and polluted. Not as crowded and a great place to relax for 3 nights.

[/QUOTE]A 24 day trip should afford you plenty of time to check out the girls and either A) relax on a beautiful island beach or B) see some of the cultural highlights and hill country scenery. My advice is stay in BKK and Pattaya and if you want, add a third destination from either column A) or column B) to your itinerary. Do not try to cram too much into your trip. As I see it, there are three viable itineraries. The length of time I recommend in each destination is merely a suggestion.

Trip 1. Girls Girls & Girls: BKK 14 nights & Pattaya 10 nights. What can I say? This is a great trip and believe me you will not get bored. 555.

Trip 2: Girls & Surf: BKK 9 nights, Pat 7 nights, Phuket 3 nights, and Ko Lipe 5 nights or forget Phuket and Ko Lipe and visit Ko Chang instead: BKK 11 nights, Pat 8 nights, and Ko Chang 5 nights.

Trip 3: Girls & Culture: Bkk 11 nights, Pat 9 nights, Siem Reap 4 nights.

I think any of these itineraries makes for a great trip. Which is the right one for you depends on what interests you. For example, no one can predict a head of time whether you will prefer BKK or Pattaya. I like BKK more, but I still get a kick out Pattaya. Keep in mind that Pattaya is not a beach destination. It is an adult P4 P amusement park on the coast. I enjoy walking Beach Road every day, but the only swimming you will do in Pattaya is at your hotel pool. Therefore choose a Pattaya hotel with a good pool.

If you are into beautiful beaches, as I am, you will notice that I have mentioned two real good ones here: Ko Lipe and Ko Chang. Ko Lipe is quiet, remote and very beautiful. Bring a girl if you want to get laid on Ko Lipe. Ko Chang is 3 hours down the road from Pattaya. It too is very beautiful and it has some great beaches and tranquil outer islands to explore. There are a few girlie bars on Ko Chang, but it is best to bring your own girl. Note: it should not be a problem to find a good girl to bring along if you schedule 8 nights in Pattaya before travelling to Ko Chang. On the other hand, going solo in the middle of a trip and taking a 5 day sex break will do wonders for your libido when you return to Pattaya or BKK and all the madness.

If you are into the cultural aspects I suggest you set aside Chiang Mai for another trip and fly from BKK straight into Siem Reap. Angkor WWat is spectacular and worth 3 days of exploration with a guide. Thailand has nothing to offer on this level although exploring the temples and palaces of Bangkok is really good too and Ayutthaya is an enjoyable daytime excursion from BKK. As far as Siem Reap, the town goes, I actually like it better than Chiang Mai. I find CNX very overrated and touristy. The surrounding hill country is another story. Mae Hong Son is a delightful provincial town.

In any case, you have a few decisions to make. Don't over think it. It is all good. Thailand is still numero uno despite all its problems.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1679262]Now, on the other end of the spectrum you have the bar girls who give their earnings to some guy, who then snorts / smokes / injects it. The guy is called a "Maeng Daa" and that is not a compliment. Regular Thai ladies look down on a woman who would give her money to such a man. And all you have to do is to look at a picture of the Maeng Dar Crab to see what society in general thinks of the man who is supported by these women.[/QUOTE]Isn't Maeng Da "pimp" in Thai?

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1679176]I think that with "defending honor" Bkkdog was referring to members that object to posting explicit details or pictures of a girl. That is a subjective matter and discussion that I'm not even interested to have.[/QUOTE]You are correct. These girls care nothing about our honour or reputation so I can't figure out why we should care about theirs. Anyways very good information posted about the traditional thai ladies compared to the non traditional ones. There seems to be a farang stereo type that the traditional Thais cling to. In my recent case she was a traditional Thai girl but her and her friend were stringing along multiple guys and I was not going to be a player in her game. A good 60 % of a Thai girls I believe think the same. These will be my P4 P or one night stand options. If I ever try to settle down I will pick one from the other 40%.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1679169]IMHO, you are mixing up a lot of things that are quiet different. I'm not criticizing you, just giving my own point of view and YMMV.

A "relationship" with a working girl is strictly "business". I don't pay them to stay, I pay them to go away in the morning without any drama; hopefully the sex was good, it may even have been a nice GFE, but there are no real feelings involved. I don't get their FB, email, line or whatever kind of address or even their telephone number. I'm not interested in their friends or family. I'm not on a date with her. We've had our fun and that's it.

Anything more and I'd consider to be on my way to friendship or love. And in Thailand that means you (as the rich farang) will indeed pay for her to stay. The more affluent pay for the less well-off. Actually whether you are a farang or a Thai doesn't matter and perhaps it goes even more for a Thai.

Giving her 7000 baht (or any amount of money or presents) will increase your "face" with her and co-incidentally her giving the money to her friend will increase her standing in her social environment as well. Maybe she will pay you back (in money or services) but that is besides the issue. You are a few steps higher up now because of your jai dee (good heart) and that counts for a lot in Thailand. Our culture values independence and self-reliance whereas the Thail culture is all about connections and status. Next time you ask something from her she'll be honor bound to deliver, but (depending on the "value" of your request) that may then put you in her social debt.

To give you a real example: last time I was in Thailland me and my GF went for a dinner and -as usual- we met some of her friends and she could not do otherwise than to invite them. Of course I paid for the whole dinner. A few days later I asked my GF where I could get a haircut. She grabbed her phone and called one of the friends that joined us for dinner. The guy came by on his motorcycle and drove me to a barber shop, stayed with me the whole time, bought me a coconut drink and drove me back to the hotel. That's the way these things work in Thailand.

But don't misunderstand me. For sure there are mercenary types who abuse this system, but usually you'll find out quickly.[/QUOTE]Your current Thai girlfriend sounds very cool but would she be so cool if you suddenly had a financial problem? As with Thai man who might have the same problem, the thai ladies seem to accept it more and help them instead of dumping them right away. But maybe that does not concern you. She has this hanging over your head while you have your activities with the other girls and this forum. Is is a fiat trade off? For me, maybe yes.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679333]Your current Thai girlfriend sounds very cool but would she be so cool if you suddenly had a financial problem?[/QUOTE]I've lost count of how many American men I've known who had financial problems that led to marital problems with their American wives that ended with divorces. Women marry a men for security. When a man can no longer provide security he no longer serves his primary purpose. Once upon a time marriage was a partnership and the man and woman struggled side by side to eck out a living. But then once upon a time people traveled in wagons and and oxen were used to pull plows.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679331]You are correct. These girls care nothing about our honour or reputation so I can't figure out why we should care about theirs. Anyways very good information posted about the traditional thai ladies compared to the non traditional ones. There seems to be a farang stereo type that the traditional Thais cling to. In my recent case she was a traditional Thai girl but her and her friend were stringing along multiple guys and I was not going to be a player in her game. A good 60 % of a Thai girls I believe think the same. These will be my P4 P or one night stand options. If I ever try to settle down I will pick one from the other 40%.[/QUOTE]Please don't get me wrong I mean not disrespect to you or your current situation with your girlfriend. I'm just using your example to try and prove a point. As I say here I will never defend the honour of the 60% of Thai girls that have absolutely no respect for us, speak badly behind our backs in Thai, and only have one thing in mind, separating our money from our wallets. I am perfectly happy to do if for good sex but I will not be scammed and lied to about a sick buffalo, friend no money for rent and so on. So why defend their honour if someone posts a photo with their face showing, or a screen shot of a mostly fake facebook profile. I being guilty of both along with other members in the photo gallery. They would never defend me so I will never defend them. 60%.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679337]I've lost count of how many American men I've known who had financial problems that lead to marital problems with their American wives that ended with divorces. Women marry a men for security. When a man can no longer provide security he no longer serves his primary purpose. Once upon a time marriage was a partnership and the man and woman struggled side by side to eck out a living. But then once upon a time people traveled in wagons and and oxen were used to pull plows.[/QUOTE]Good points Mr. Kausch but with Thai men the girls will go to work and sell their body in the bar and give the money to their Thai boyfriend where if there is a farang man involved it's see you later alligator. She will tolerate it more with a Thai man. In my most recent case, her friend was stringing along Thai guys for money and mine has a pilot boyfriend that would not give her the 7,000 Baht or she was just trying to get it out of me.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1679282]Funny, we are on ISG, not Facebook, Twitter, etc. Where should one actually defend them or one's position. I too agree we all have lots of stories and each one or example are different so should we or you place a basic answer to all situation or conversation. Sure we are mostly talking about P4 P ladies whether they hide behind a dating site so should we just assumed that is where they are now. That being said someone mentioned about posting picture girls from some of these dating website. I'm not for or against since I have no idea how and never posted a picture but I think people have to take things into perspective and not just assume it is okay To do, to me it is just common sense. We have the advantage? How would one feel if one of these girls posted a picture on a dating website and said something negative?

Personally, I think the majority of the dating website here in Thailand is a hide away for P4 P, based on their economy and culture begins and ends with money. Why would a Thai want to hook up with a Falang if it can't benefit them to a better life. Sure there is real love as we want to believe it but Thai relationship outside of their own race is to better themselves, not stay even or go below the line. If you have nothing to offer and for them to show you off they would lose face in front of friends and family. Unless, you are young, in Thai if you can't buy them a house, support them, what are you doing with this old fuck? 555. Now that is a generalization but that doesn't mean I wouldn't give her a chance and defend her etc. To get into her pants. And if she burns me etc. Then I can lump her in with the rest?[/QUOTE]I agree with all of what you say. You are wise man. Why would she want to hook up with a foreigner? Face has a lot to play with it sure. But I really disagree with defending the honour of one of the 60% I speak of. It's a fair trade off for me. They take our money and talk bad about us in Thai as we post their photos and videos and gossip about the sex on this site. All good for me. I could care less if they lose face.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679344]with Thai men the girls will go to work and sell their body in the bar and give the money to their Thai boyfriend where if there is a farang man involved it's see you later alligator.[/QUOTE]These Thai men are pimps and the women are prostitutes. Prostitutes take money from the johns and give it to their pimps / lovers. It's worked that way all over the world since long before any of us were born. This stuff is universal and not unique to any one culture.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679327]Isn't Maeng Da "pimp" in Thai?[/QUOTE]Yes. It can also be used for someone who lives off of women. Which, I suppose, a pimp does, too. :)

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679333]Your current Thai girlfriend sounds very cool but would she be so cool if you suddenly had a financial problem? As with Thai man who might have the same problem, the thai ladies seem to accept it more and help them instead of dumping them right away. [/QUOTE]Yes she's quite cool and between us there is already a whole lot of "social accounting" given that she once saved my life (but that's another story). But nobody can predict the future, so we just have to see what happens if / when it happens.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679333]But maybe that does not concern you. She has this hanging over your head while you have your activities with the other girls and this forum. Is is a fiat trade off? For me, maybe yes.[/QUOTE]As long as I don't fall in love with someone else, she doesn't seem to mind. Thai women can see the difference between sex and love.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679337]I've lost count of how many American men I've known who had financial problems that led to marital problems with their American wives that ended with divorces. Women marry a men for security. When a man can no longer provide security he no longer serves his primary purpose.[/QUOTE]Well said Paul.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679337]Once upon a time marriage was a partnership and the man and woman struggled side by side to eck out a living.[/QUOTE]This something which is much more prevalent still in Thailand it seems. Marriage for the Thai is more about economics than love.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679337]But then once upon a time people traveled in wagons and and oxen were used to pull plows.[/QUOTE]Or the women and children pulled the plow. Much cheaper than buying an ox.