Jakarta

[QUOTE=Hilo77; 1449056]Perhaps so Smoothy but as someone who has played the game in Jakarta as long as myself you will agree that the posts by Alpha Cue read like they've been lifted out of the readers' letters section of an old Husltler magazine.

And are just as believable.[/QUOTE]I think Alpha is a great writer. I don't visit the site much but I think his posts are some of the best I've read here. And the girls he picks are high quality.

Hilo77, don't be so jealous. Just because girls don't react the same way to you doesn't mean they don't find a handsome, young guy more appealing.

And maybe also leave off the old Hustler magazines, didn't your mum ever tell you it will make you go blind?

[QUOTE=JustABule;1449096]I always see bule guys getting girls in Blok M plaza[/QUOTE]Really? I've been to Blok M plaza probably 500 times and I think I may have seen 10 bules there in all of those visits and I've never seen one with a girl. At least not with a good looking girl.

[QUOTE=Hilo77; 1448618]My word what a resourceful chap you are! You have achieved so much in your short time here in Jakarta, and on your first trip no less, senior members must be doffing their cap to you at this stage.

However, like the educated Indonesian office girl in your first report who spoke the sort of pidgin English you'd normally associate with a Pattaya bar girl, there's something just not right about your story.

So you're in a mall and you catch the eye of two delightful teenage beauties and despite having no local language skills you nonetheless have them back in your hotel room by nightfall. Well, it can be done, it has been done, I've done it myself, but it usually takes a little time adjusting to the local scene. But you on your first trip, pull this off with nothing more required than a few scoops of ice cream, well done sir, you are a credit.

So in which Blok M or Kota pick up joint did you really find them?[/QUOTE]Maybe he's a good looking young guy? Let's give the benefit of doubt and not worry too much. I know that many things are possible here and only wish I'd discovered this city when I was in my mid 20s and not in my late 30s:(. Even then, it hasn't been too difficult but I have to wonder what I could have done back then. I'm 49 this year and I can still manage women in their mid 20s to mid 30s without really trying too hard so you have to allow for the possibility for someone who is young and slim to do a lot of "damage".

[QUOTE=Robert Long; 1448906]

[QUOTE=Canyon; 1448876]Are you sure you are in Jakarta? No Taxis at a Mall in Jakarta, that's amazing.

RL[/QUOTE]Have you tried to get one at Semanggi at 10pm?

[QUOTE=WTF0506;1448781]A chubby 22yr old? Sounds like a pass unless that is what you like. I tend to over pay, but, for her 500K. Maybe a little less. Depends on the story behind her request. Photo is one that cost 600K.[/QUOTE]Was she smiling before or after the act mate:p? She looks like she'd fall right into your threesome category for some reason;).

[QUOTE=Clear Water; 1448670]Good info cheers.

Just got a reply from a chubby 22yr from IC. Specifically asked for 1 mill for short time (2hr) Thought it was a bit rich so not sure what so of prices for P4P. You other brothers are getting? Good tip to find the P4P are look under religion as Other and age 40-70 LOL.[/QUOTE]I haven't paid anyone on IC, even with similar criteria. I've come across those looking for 40+ and it's normally because they don't want childish guys. If she's asking for money, keep looking - especially at that price range.

[QUOTE=SmallBird;1448612]Har? Develop untill such status, you can still get a U-turn? Is it real? Awaiting your ending.[/QUOTE]It's a long post bro, no need to quote the whole FR. Maybe we'll meet for a coffee in KL or even Jakarta one of these days. You can feel you're in heaven but can be brought down to Earth with a real smack sometimes. I think a lot of us here have a story which goes that way sometime or another.

MD II

Yeah maybe I'm just a jealous guy who doesn't have the strike rate (or overwrought writing ability) of Alpha Cue.

Or maybe I just know egregious loads of bovine fecal matter when I smell it.

I ask you dude, look at the little trollops in the photo, no girl in Jakarta dresses like that to go the mall, none. Any girls dressed as skanky as that would be driven out of the mall by the cacophony of wolf-whistles, hoots of derision, and catcalls of "Jablay! Jablay!" that greeted them. That is if the satpam even allowed the obvious ayam in in the first place.

Hey it's no skin off my nose, if you get a good fap while reading his purple prose, enjoy it man. When I read it the title of a 1970's TV show comes to mind, now what was its name? You know a seaplane flies into a tropical paradise, this sophisticated French geezer in a white suit and his Polynesian midget friend shouting "Ze plane ees coming, ze plane ees coming!" walk down the beach to greet it.

Now what was the name of that series again? It matches Alpha Cue's writing.

[quote=Master Diver II; 1449436]Maybe he's a good looking young guy? Let's give the benefit of doubt and not worry too much. I know that many things are possible here and only wish I'd discovered this city when I was in my mid 20s and not in my late 30s. Even then, it hasn't been too difficult but I have to wonder what I could have done back then. I'm 49 this year and I can still manage women in their mid 20s to mid 30s without really trying too hard so you have to allow for the possibility for someone who is young and slim to do a lot of "damage".[/quote]Spot on MD II! I am older than you and almost certainly not as good looking, but even I have a great time. Jakarta is a wonderful town and there is plenty to go around. And long may it continue to be that way! And long may you continue to do 'damage' my friend!

As for me, when I can't get it up even with V and all girls start to reject me I hope I won't get so warped with jealousy to carry on like a pork chop at some young guy having fun with pretty girls. Jeez! Some people.

[QUOTE=JustABule;1448782]I am 40 years old and when I send those girls messages 90% will not respond. I think my response rate on IC is about 10 to 15% and half of those that respond don't follow up on the mailings.[/QUOTE]Exactly, my experience as well. Not at all like the Philippines. Its not as easy as many are saying.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1449390]Really? I've been to Blok M plaza probably 500 times and I think I may have seen 10 bules there in all of those visits and I've never seen one with a girl. At least not with a good looking girl.[/QUOTE]And that's why I've never been back to Blok M since 2006, you will only see 2 or 3 decent looking chicks out of 50 or more.

[QUOTE=David_33;1449610]Exactly, my experience as well. Not at all like the Philippines. Its not as easy as many are saying.[/QUOTE]Mate, I'm not a bule, I'm Asian; I'm not the slimmest or fattest guy, and I'm 49 years old. I don't promise riches, money or anything that I can't or won't deliver. I get a response from at least 50 % who have read their messages and several of the girls who send in interests, have been well worth a follow up. It all depends on how you structure your profile and the kind of photos you put up. I am open for most forms of electronic communication but am never pushy, nor do I put out or put up with crap. I have more numbers than I can handle (I only visit Jakarta, and don't stay there) as I just don't have the time. The key is to be fun, friendly open, but not desperate. It's as easy as you make it.

MD II

[QUOTE=Master Diver II;1449656]The key is to be fun, friendly open, but not desperate. It's as easy as you make it.[/QUOTE]Yes, JAD has mentioned how successful you are on IC. You are probably much more handsome than I am and have more than 5 hairs.

The dating sites are neither as "easy" nor as "difficult" as some posters are saying.

In exactly the same way as the malls / office water coolers / clubs / perfume squirters / universities / Busway / warungs / bars / church groups / insurance agencies / golf courses / property investment seminars / maid recruiting services* (*delete as appropriate, and yes all of the aforementioned have yielded up successes in their day) are neither as easy nor as difficult as they appear listening to others.

Full disclosure, I'm bule, mid-forties, I'm no Brad Pitt but I can hold my own in a conversation, don't come across as some desperate pervo and I dress appropriately for living in a major city.

I agree with Smoothy that time is actually quite a major element, not the time spent on the computer I hasten to add that's the least of it, but laying the essential groundwork and follow-up is time-consuming. Not as much time as it would take in the West, perish the thought, but time nonetheless that might be better spent elsewhere. You need to meet the lady for face time, that's a coffee at the least which will take an hour or so, half an hour getting there and then home again, no problem, but in Jakarta terms that's pretty much an afternoon gone and if your play time is limited that counts. There's then the follow-up texting and emails and chatting (God I do so hate chatting on the internet) till the next date which, if you've played your cards right is time to get some action. Now, that's when it all goes exactly to plan, in practice it takes a little bit longer than that.

If you have plenty of free time none of this will be remotely daunting and will appear to be a very small price to pay for fun, but if work, domestic and other constraints limit your time to maybe one afternoon or evening free every week then you're investing a lot of time for maybe not an awful lot of reward.

The internet threw up a lot of great stuff for me four or five years ago. Unquestionably the best was the late and very much lamented Love Happens which was basically Indonesian Cupid but free. I got many fantastic connections through that, from as far away as Aceh and Kalimantan. Next was Tagged, still going strong, another great service. Indonesian Cupid also threw up some gems. That was back when I was as free as a bird, now with time much more limited I prefer the bar scene, it's not as rewarding in long term relationship terms but I've currently got enough of that to be going on with.

Another draw-back to the internet is that unlike in a bar where I can see the girl with my on two eyes on the 'net ladies might not always post up the most candid of their photos and that can lead to a disappointing rendezvous.

You pays your money and takes your choice, you want the possibility of multiple relationships with nice respectable women and have plenty of time to spend and no worry about having to weed out duffers along the way? The internet dating sites are for you. Haven't time to fart around, going out for dinner, texting about your day, chatting about work and families and just want to have a few hours sex with a pretty girl? Well that's what God invented bars for.

I totally agree with Hilo77. The only time I've seen girls left a building, dressed that way, was late at night at the exit of Shangrila's. Obviously ones without success at BATS.

[QUOTE=David_33;1449669]Yes, JAD has mentioned how successful you are on IC. You are probably much more handsome than I am and have more than 5 hairs.[/QUOTE]You're right David. I'm sorry to confirm that he is more handsome than you and has more than 5 hairs. Even when he posts a bad hair day photo of him, the girls will respond.

Como estas amigo? Long time no see!

[QUOTE=Menteng;1449896]I totally agree with Hilo77. The only time I've seen girls left a building, dressed that way, was late at night at the exit of Shangrila's. Obviously ones without success at BATS.[/QUOTE]Me too fully agree with Hilo77, I had the same experience

Much is said about dating sites. The pretty up to average looking girls on dating sites (Indonesian girls) get as many as 200 messages a day. They scan the list of emails and 90% (or more) of them only reply the ones who look young and / or who have an attractive picture.

Sometimes they are bored or have time and then they do a search for guys. The same happens again, they scan the list of pictures and only reply those profiles of which they like the picture. They will hardly ever read profiles because that is boring.

So the pretty / sexy and normal looking girls will make their decision to reply or send a message based on the picture in the profile.

The ugly / fat / old women do it differently. Those girls maybe get 2 or 3 messages per day so they will be very active searching for guys to send messages to. These girls don't look for handsome pictures but they send messages to guys they think they have a chance with. So they will mostly select profiles with ugly or unattractive looking pictures, again they also will not read the profile (most can't even understand English anyway) but they will make their decision based on the picture.

But girls like mysterious guys. I have a profile picture on DIA and I think I look ok, but I never get more then 6 messages a week. 4 from Philippina girls looking for money (the so called Hi girls) and 2 from old Indonesian women living in Kalimantan, or Riau, Pekanbaru, or Irian Jaya.

I have a French friend who is 49 years old and he did not put a photo on his profile in DIA, (also stating location in Indonesia) and the only description he gives is Hello. Still this guy attracts much more attention from local girls then I get, and many young sexy girls send him messages also. Last month he had not openned his inbox for a week and then he opened his inbox and showed me the mails. I was shocked.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1449436]Maybe he's a good looking young guy? Let's give the benefit of doubt and not worry too much. I know that many things are possible here and only wish I'd discovered this city when I was in my mid 20s and not in my late 30s. Even then, it hasn't been too difficult but I have to wonder what I could have done back then. I'm 49 this year and I can still manage women in their mid 20s to mid 30s without really trying too hard so you have to allow for the possibility for someone who is young and slim to do a lot of "damage".

MD II[/QUOTE]Slim and young is not a guarantee for succes. I been in Jakarta on and off since I was 23 years old, I loved (and still love) to go to gym to stay in perfect shape and in those days I had a very good physique. Still now when I am 40 I keep my sixpack.

But I noticed already long ago that Asian girls prefer western guys who are out of shape (overweight) over Western guys who are slim or muscled. I don't know the exact reasons for this but many yearsr of experience (and being around overweight bule who always did much better then me) taught me this.

I now do better with Jakarta girls then I did when I was young, but still I don't get nearly as many girls as the average bule in Jakarta gets.

One thing that Indonesian girls love are tall guys. The tall guys have the biggest advantage, they don't need to be slim or handsome or young, if you are tall you can get any girl you want. Nowadays the new generation (especially Chinese) guys are also getting very tall but it is still seen as special in Jakarta.