Kuala Lumpur

Sampled a sweet young viet last night from Beach Club.
Lilly, something around 22yo (she says and most likely true), long black hair, deep brown eyes, cute, short, a mini that did not leave much to imagination and a rather good kisser too.
Good in bed, have to say, but her looong time was short.
Unless one thinks to have breakfast at about 1am or so...
I did not mind paying a bit more than market prices, hoping to assure a decent experience, but not to be fooled that way.

Well, that puts an end to try (for the 3d time) a viet cuty.
I was making very clear bad experiences in the past and was fed up on viets.

She said to be different, but at the end was same-same. Ah ah.
So not only changing the game but also a lier, that is what pissed me off.
Stupid from her.
She could have repeat business for more nights with me, but she decided to go back to zoo, to catch a new customer in the cattle market (4 men for 10 girls...that does not leave much space to get two cutomers in a night!).
She did this with a lame excuse to go 7-11 to buy some medicine and come back. Was clear she would not come back, but at that stage one can care the less. Do not want to argue then and get a starfish in the bed as a revenge.
On the other hand if she'd have brain maybe she would not be a WG:)

My mistake - as often happens - was to pay when in bed, not after.
We do this often, true, we seem to never learn. I also rate that at some point there must be a degree of trust (I know...we talk about WG hungry for money) for the same reason as stated above: if we start to be in a mood, then better use your own hands and you will not be disappointed! they will not let you down LOL.
It is a commercial transaction, very true, but still....

So the friendly advice is stay away from this Lilly @ Beach Club if you plan a LT with her as also she goes for the high rate.
She is going to stay in KL for at least a few more weeks before doing the visa run or, stay home

PS: funny enough she had the braveness to leave me her viet cell number!
what for?
to publish on the Viet forum to warn guys? LOL

[QUOTE=11Bravo]Checked FR's, and did a search for "hotel", but mostly just came up with spas in hotels.

No separate Hotel thread here.

My questions:

Is it safe to assume that if you book a double room at ANY hotel (well, say above 3 star) that you will have no trouble bringing in your BFTN (bride for the night)?

Any recommendations for decent hotels in the downtown area near the Beach Club?

Yes, I know the Beach Club might not be the best, but I want to see. Last time I was in KL, the Petronis towers were 20 stories high :)[/QUOTE]
Most hotels are GF and the WG carry with them "non-****-clothing" to walk in the street or enter the hotel lobby:)
they know the game, even if it sobvious the girl walking along with you is not your niece

Plenty of hotels nearby and GF: try Concorde, it is not in the high range
probbaly Googlemaps will help you if you digit the address of Beach Club and then search for hotels
If you look for LT do not take an hotel nearby BC: it is an invitation for the girl to make your LT a short one as in a matter of few minutes she can go back.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]Most hotels are GF...

Plenty of hotels nearby and GF: try Concorde, it is not in the high range
probbaly Googlemaps will help you if you digit the address of Beach Club and then search for hotels[/quote]Thanks for the response. Have stayed at the Concorde I think - is that the one that has/had the Hard Rock?

[QUOTE=Bionicman]If you look for LT do not take an hotel nearby BC: it is an invitation for the girl to make your LT a short one as in a matter of few minutes she can go back.[/QUOTE]GOOD advice, will consider that when looking (for hotels).

[QUOTE=Bionicman]Good in bed, have to say, but her looong time was short.... I did not mind paying a bit more than market prices, hoping to assure a decent experience, but not to be fooled that way.
...
So not only changing the game but also a lier, that is what pissed me off.[/quote]I agree. If the girl, UP FRONT, makes it clear that only ST is possible, then so be it. But the LT becomes ST is nothing but a scam...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]She could have repeat business for more nights with me[/quote]With a resident or frequent visitor, VERY SHORT SIGHTED.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]Do not want to argue then and get a starfish in the bed as a revenge.[/quote]Myself, I always cut them loose. Just not worth it; she's there for the enjoyment, so who wants to have an unhappy bed mate.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]My mistake - as often happens - was to pay when in bed, not after. [/quote]I might show them the money to prove I have, but I ALWAYS specify "pay after". If she agrees, fine. If not, then that's just another "data point" in the go/no-go decision, and certainly raises the red caution flag.

If I do decide to take, even with the "concern", I'll negotiate a ST rate, with the understanding that it could turn into LT.

I also ask [u]specifically[/u] what time she wants to leave in the morning. If I get an "up to you", I'll state a time just to make sure it's mutually agreeable.

And I specify the number of rounds I'm expecting. Not so "romantic", but does allow the "contract" to be understood by both sides.

Now, obviously, if she's a liar, she'll agree to anything to get you out of the bar (advantage you) to back "home" (advantage her).

I've had a few who, once back at "my" place, insisted on being paid up front. THAT really sets off the "Danger Will Robinson" alerts. Hopefully (if it happens), it's while we're still dressed. Yes, I've heard all their arguments: she doesn't know me, some guys rip girls off... I just point out it's a 2 way street.

Once in bed, it's her advantage. But I have been known to get up, say "No thanks, let's go back to the bar, each of us can look for someone else", pointing out she had agreed to pay after, and starting to get dressed. It's not really a bluff, as I have done exactly that. Also allows time to QUICKLY renegotiate a lower ST rate, or offer her 50% up front. Pain in the ass, but once they see you getting up and starting to dress, their "attitude" has been known to change - my experience, anyway.

Also why I tend to pull early, and return to my place early. After all, once I've made my decision, there SHOULD be more entertainment [i]possibilities[/i] at home than in the bar. And it gives time to overcome [i]misunderstandings[/i]...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]I also rate that at some point there must be a degree of trust (I know...we talk about WG hungry for money) ...
It is a commercial transaction, very true, but still....[/quote]I agree, even if a business transaction, the "contract" requires good faith from BOTH parties. As I've posted before, I don't cut the pay for poor performance (e.g., starfish). I just don't repeat, but a LT->ST scam guarantees no repeats and a warning here, just like you.

The 1 Viet I've been with, LONG time ago, in Cambodia, did the same thing. I've found the PRC's, perhaps more pragmatic, do tend to live up to the deal. Not 100%, but certainly 90% :)

Thanks for posting, and will keep in mind. Sounds like you'd had round 1, and she bailed after that.

Guess it's better to also negotiate a ST rate, "just in case", or at least to mention that any early departure will be paid 'at this rate'.

BTW: what do you think would have happened if you'd offered her 50% or some reduced rate then, with the statement she'd get the rest in the morning, after she'd returned with her "medicine"?

[QUOTE=Jlim75]Does anyone know any good hangout gay places in KL?
Any where for a good fuck / suck / massage with privileges?[/QUOTE]
I'm not into it, but on Jalan Sultan Ismail, near the intersection with J. Bukit Bintang, at night, I noted several boys waiting for male company.
Walking North along Sultan Ismail, moreover, at night you'll meet several TVs.
Finally, on Sultan Ismail, at left going North from Bukit Bintang, if I'm not wrong a bit after the first street at left, there is a disco bar, which at night emits loud music. Inside, it's full of TVs and Arabian tourists.
(I know this is not what you asked, but maybe it is of interest)

[QUOTE=11Bravo]Thanks for the response. Have stayed at the Concorde I think - is that the one that has/had the Hard Rock?
GOOD advice, will consider that when looking (for hotels).[/QUOTE]
that's the one!

[QUOTE=11Bravo]
With a resident or frequent visitor, VERY SHORT SIGHTED.

Myself, I always cut them loose. Just not worth it; she's there for the enjoyment, so who wants to have an unhappy bed mate.

I might show them the money to prove I have, but I ALWAYS specify "pay after". If she agrees, fine. If not, then that's just another "data point" in the go/no-go decision, and certainly raises the red caution flag.

If I do decide to take, even with the "concern", I'll negotiate a ST rate, with the understanding that it could turn into LT.

I also ask [u]specifically[/u] what time she wants to leave in the morning. If I get an "up to you", I'll state a time just to make sure it's mutually agreeable.

And I specify the number of rounds I'm expecting. Not so "romantic", but does allow the "contract" to be understood by both sides.

Now, obviously, if she's a liar, she'll agree to anything to get you out of the bar (advantage you) to back "home" (advantage her).

I've had a few who, once back at "my" place, insisted on being paid up front. THAT really sets off the "Danger Will Robinson" alerts. Hopefully (if it happens), it's while we're still dressed. Yes, I've heard all their arguments: she doesn't know me, some guys rip girls off... I just point out it's a 2 way street.

Once in bed, it's her advantage. But I have been known to get up, say "No thanks, let's go back to the bar, each of us can look for someone else", pointing out she had agreed to pay after, and starting to get dressed. It's not really a bluff, as I have done exactly that. Also allows time to QUICKLY renegotiate a lower ST rate, or offer her 50% up front. Pain in the ass, but once they see you getting up and starting to dress, their "attitude" has been known to change - my experience, anyway.

Also why I tend to pull early, and return to my place early. After all, once I've made my decision, there SHOULD be more entertainment [i]possibilities[/i] at home than in the bar. And it gives time to overcome [i]misunderstandings[/i]...

I agree, even if a business transaction, the "contract" requires good faith from BOTH parties. As I've posted before, I don't cut the pay for poor performance (e.g., starfish). I just don't repeat, but a LT->ST scam guarantees no repeats and a warning here, just like you.

The 1 Viet I've been with, LONG time ago, in Cambodia, did the same thing. I've found the PRC's, perhaps more pragmatic, do tend to live up to the deal. Not 100%, but certainly 90% :)

Thanks for posting, and will keep in mind. Sounds like you'd had round 1, and she bailed after that.

Guess it's better to also negotiate a ST rate, "just in case", or at least to mention that any early departure will be paid 'at this rate'.

BTW: what do you think would have happened if you'd offered her 50% or some reduced rate then, with the statement she'd get the rest in the morning, after she'd returned with her "medicine"?[/QUOTE]

Nice exchange of advices:)
you are pretty much right, indeed.
As often mtnioned here, at one end we think with our little head and on the other end it is obviously a hit or miss.
As in my professional life I do enough negotiations, deals, etc, makes me sick to have to do that on the mongering side.
That does not mean I am blindfolded. But if I need to start a deep negotiation, well, where's the enjoyment, pleasure, fun and leisure in mongering.
I try to keep the business transaction at the minimum.
It is a good strategy to book a ST and eventually extend it to a LT. Gotta do that.
Maybe the LT pays my psycho as gets more into the GFE, not being a rabbit (age makes me pay a tribute to performances, LOL) I mainly do LT so not to have time restrictions and get some GFE, not much for the "x" number of pops.
But at the end, owning your own bed rather than with a stranger has some advantages too, albeit the morning wake up can be all alone.
Paying 50% now and 50% later is also a good strategy.
But again... enhance the business transaction mood.
Obviously those girls are skilled and they have the "who fucking cares if I look only business oriented, I am a WG after all" attitude.
Kind of "if he takes it, I win. If he does not take it, bad try, go to the next one! and maybe I win there".
Nevertheless in a market with 1/10 ratio, she might not be so lucky to get a 2nd opportunity on the same night. Her choce
I know some will have a grin to read on "wasting" the money in such a way, disturbing the market. But, hey, at the end we talk about +- 10/20 of the mongerer currency (euro or dollars)...
More on the 2nd night later.
But at the end, then,

After a nic emeal with friends, headed to BC to show it (lame excuse, I know) to an unexperienced friend.
Entry fee raised from 35 to 50, but this entitles to 2 drinks.
5 minutes I was in a nice PRC approached me and stick to me.
Usual story: they decide to marry you, LOL
Never mind, the choice is wide and unless a monster sticks to you, on principle they are all same-same and not different. Either they approach or not (very rare) they are all there for the same purpose. So we are.
She is Lan, 32yo, but can pass as 27, from Shangai.
She noticed me the evening before when I took the short viet girl. Hey, I am definetely not George Clooney!
She gets my point of no rush and then maybe I take her. She wisely gets the message
Have to say that I prefer a bit aged girls for many reasons, and one of them is that, in a way, they are wise.
Told her of the layer cutie of the night before and she said "I am different" (wow, first time I hear that!! lol). She insisted to know how much I paid, but that would break confidentiality deals, lol.
Anyhow we eventually settle it for 400 all night and she promised to stay till 11am. So far so good.
When we exit BC she wants to buy a burger by the nearby stall: I can eat it when you sleep! She motioned twice to pay for it, but as I am always an handsome man.
Made only clear she gives the honey before and the money tomorrow: not a single second of hesitation: she was ok with it. Good sign.
"just do not wake me up at 5 for the morning pop, as if I do not sleep well I do not work well", gotta love that. Customer service oriented. Gotta love that!
Went to the hotel and she did deliver.
FK, but not deep, accepted back door fingering, daty etc etc
slept well and at 8am, had a nice wake up call.

By 9am she as out of the room after having given me the cell number, just in case I miss her tonight at BC or do not want to go there. Implying I take her again.
Well, we are all butterflies, we know that.
She is going to be back to Shangai in 10 days. She seems aware of the LE raids over there.

When leaving the room with her money (I added a 20 for taxi, unexpected for her) she was diligent to point out all my 'precious' belongings, such asd i-pod, phone etc, visible. Just to avoid later accusations of stealing anything.
Wiseness of the age? Maybe, just well trained and exprienced.

WIR: nothing against her, but the chicken farm is full of talents.
Side comment: at midnight when I left BC it looked pretty much empty of mongerers. The outer lounge along the street was kid of empty.
It is a buyer market, some girls (my PRC) got it, some others don't (the previous night one, albeit I saw her working on a new victim!)
Gotta try the Thai club opposite BC one day: anyone experience on that?

[QUOTE=Bionicman]As in my professional life I do enough negotiations, deals, etc, makes me sick to have to do that on the mongering side.
That does not mean I am blindfolded. But if I need to start a deep negotiation, well, where's the enjoyment, pleasure, fun and leisure in mongering. I try to keep the business transaction at the minimum.[/quote]I find it just tends to get the contract out of the way, details known to BOTH parties, so you ARE free to enjoy each others' [i]company[/i] with reduced risk of unwelcome surprises... Once discussed, [u]in[/u] the bar, no need to discuss again at home. i.e., the specs are out of the way, so time to enjoy the [i]implementation[/i]...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]I mainly do LT so not to have time restrictions and get some GFE, not much for the "x" number of pops.[/quote]I much prefer LT myself, as better chance for the GFE. But like I said, when both know what the other wants, in certain details, allows both to relax and experience.

Unless, of course, she's a liar...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]I know some will have a grin to read on "wasting" the money in such a way, disturbing the market. But, hey, at the end we talk about +- 10/20 of the mongerer currency (euro or dollars)...[/QUOTE]Agreed. I know some punters, it seems by the way they talk and post, the [u]BIGGEST[/u] enjoyment for them is how cheap they got it for. I don't want to overpay, but as you say, +/- a small amount no big deal. It's the experience that counts in the end.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]5 minutes I was in a nice PRC approached me and stick to me.
Usual story: they decide to marry you, LOL[/quote]I do like the PRC's, that pragmatic attitude. Always found them to be good value, and mostly deliver on what they say.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]32yo, but can pass as 27[/quote]Can't they all. Like you, I do appreciate the older ones, can be more experienced (or, adversely, more shy). But on the plus side, they certainly can be more appreciative of some good foreplay. Seems the lack of sex ed in China, the "pass it down" advice from mothers->daughters, fathers->sons, leads more to a "bend over and brace" attitude...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]She insisted to know how much I paid, but that would break confidentiality deals, lol.[/quote]I'm like you. When asked, I always say, that, like EVERYTHING else, is between me and her, just like everything we do will stay between you and me.

Obviously, word will get out via the CIA, or the VIA, or the [i]x[/i]IA, but it does seem to stay within nationalities...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]Made only clear she gives the honey before and the money tomorrow: not a single second of hesitation: she was ok with it. Good sign.[/quote]EXACTLY...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]"just do not wake me up at 5 for the morning pop, as if I do not sleep well I do not work well", gotta love that.[/quote]Sounds to me like she's a keeper... :) For me, when I find someone with good service AND a sense of humor, I'll pull her a 2nd time (not so interested in putting more notches on the bed post, as it were). The 2nd time CAN be more fun given that now you know what she likes and she knows what you like, and she can relax as she does not have to be so wary of a [i]bad[/i] punter...

[QUOTE=Bionicman](I added a 20 for taxi, unexpected for her)[/quote]I've always found it's a nice way to show your appreciation for her good service.

[QUOTE=11Bravo]I find it just tends to get the contract out of the way, details known to BOTH parties, so you ARE free to enjoy each others' [i]company[/i] with reduced risk of unwelcome surprises... Once discussed, [u]in[/u] the bar, no need to discuss again at home. i.e., the specs are out of the way, so time to enjoy the [i]implementation[/i]...

I much prefer LT myself, as better chance for the GFE. But like I said, when both know what the other wants, in certain details, allows both to relax and experience.

Unless, of course, she's a liar...

Agreed. I know some punters, it seems by the way they talk and post, the [u]BIGGEST[/u] enjoyment for them is how cheap they got it for. I don't want to overpay, but as you say, +/- a small amount no big deal. It's the experience that counts in the end.

I do like the PRC's, that pragmatic attitude. Always found them to be good value, and mostly deliver on what they say.

Can't they all. Like you, I do appreciate the older ones, can be more experienced (or, adversely, more shy). But on the plus side, they certainly can be more appreciative of some good foreplay. Seems the lack of sex ed in China, the "pass it down" advice from mothers->daughters, fathers->sons, leads more to a "bend over and brace" attitude...

I'm like you. When asked, I always say, that, like EVERYTHING else, is between me and her, just like everything we do will stay between you and me.

Obviously, word will get out via the CIA, or the VIA, or the [i]x[/i]IA, but it does seem to stay within nationalities...

EXACTLY...

Sounds to me like she's a keeper... :) For me, when I find someone with good service AND a sense of humor, I'll pull her a 2nd time (not so interested in putting more notches on the bed post, as it were). The 2nd time CAN be more fun given that now you know what she likes and she knows what you like, and she can relax as she does not have to be so wary of a [i]bad[/i] punter...

I've always found it's a nice way to show your appreciation for her good service.[/QUOTE]
You are right on the "bar" negotiations..afterwards it is all downhill.
I am probably spoiled by the other mongering activities I do:
Macau sauna: unless you have bad luck, it is all professionally dealt, the manager will repeat your "allowance" like the waiter repeats your irder for making sure you are ok on it.
MP's: sometime a bit of a routine, but the menu is more or less set there too,
and so are the prices. Sometime (often?) you get the demand of a tip, but it is not a deal breaker and...comes at the end: no blackmailing, but an attempt from her to increase her income (with good perfroamnce or not, that is another story)
Thai pick up's at bars (not much freelancers as clearly sticking to the bar): they cannot fool too much around as sooner or later it will all go to the ears of the bar manager and she will be put aside (on pay roll or freelancer)

Picking up freelancers such as at Beach Club gives the idea of a hunt, but you are hunted... and to whom complain? no-one. No repeat, sure. But there are tens (even in low market) of new customers to fool and cheat every night
So one has to also to make a living on this: hit or miss....
goes well: great!
goes bad: f**** hope for a better time next time!

Yep that Shangai girl of last night was really pragmatic.
She probably spotted I am also somehow reliable and she most likely thought I was a safe bet for her.

Anyhow, let's see if there will be a 3rd report tonight to be posted:)
low on rmb cash (and do not want to change more) maybe a reason to stay out of "troubles"...let me talk to small head...before going out! LOL

Hi guys,

I'm in Mid Valley for few days. but don't know at all about the place. can you recommand any good MP to finish the day?

Thanks

Had a very interesting experience:

I was adding these girls in FB (as asual), doing my 'fishing' activity, trying my luck on freebies. Then I met this girl name May Yan (most probably it's her cover up name). We chatted and then whole topic turned into sex within minutes and it turns out that she do freelance service.

I spent some time convince her I'm into this game and is a very experienced and professional customer. She then put down her fence and revealed her price and services to me. Here are her charges and things allowed (which I have asked up front):

- RM300/hr for unlimited pop

- Inclusive of hotel/room in KL (to which one have to wait until I book her)

- allow DATY, CIM (well I asked straight forward and she said yes)

- Prefer Chinese and Malay Clients, she said if Indian, then she have to look first.

I suspect she's from TAR college because she has joined TAR college FB group.

I have tried, the purpose of me to post this up so that any SENIOR MEMBERS who like to try her first, please PM me for her email and FB account. I will not be available until 2 weeks later. Moreover, I'm going over to Labuan tomorrow morning with Bro Si Ma Yi for ultimate Pinoy Cheong trip. So I need at least one week to recharge, then only book her for session, LOL.

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[QUOTE=Bionicman]You are right on the "bar" negotiations[/quote]To me, they are not really negotiations. The only thing I might negotiate on is price.

But the rest is just checking what's on the menu, how many courses she'll offer, how long she'll stay [i]open[/i], whether she'll quench your appetite. I never try and convince her to do something she's not offering. Now, if that changes back home, fine, but if not, I have all the info to make my go/no-go decision to pull her IN THE BAR.

I don't dwell on things, but I do ask specific questions just so she knows what I like, and I know what she's offering. I also do it in a light manner - this is NOT an interrogation. It's generally along the lines of:[list][*]Does she do LT?
Not saying I won't pull if she doesn't, but would hate to get all done to find out she'd only be spending 2 hours.
[*]Oral?
BJ, then BBBJ, then BBBJ CIM
Now I know.
[*]What time she wants to leave in the morning?
Gives me an idea of how serious she is about LT.
[*]To let her know my idea on "length of service", I'll specify number of rounds expected, just in case she's thinking I'm a "pump and dump." I will mention a morning wake-up, again, so SHE can be making informed decisions. Obviously, this doesn't apply to [i]spoofers[/i], but you can try.
[*]Then I'll ask how much she wants me to give her. Hopefully, by doing some reading, I'll know the going rate. If she comes in reasonable, I just might pull her. I don't care to beat her down to the last ringget, baht, dirham, dollar, whatever. But I don't want to overpay, so if she comes in with a "wishful thinking" number, I'll counter.

But that's about all the negotiations I'll do.[/list]
Last thing, VERY IMPORTANT, BEFORE I leave the bar, I will say, "OK, I'll pay xxx IN THE MORNING. OK?"

Based on your reports on the Viets, think I'll mention that twice, and say that if she leaves early, she won't get the full amount.

Thanks for the FR's; they help.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]She probably spotted I am also somehow reliable and she most likely thought I was a safe bet for her.[/quote]That can actually count for quite a bit, my experience, anyway. The "nice guy, safe guy" factor... not saying she'd turn down double, or even 1.5 your price, but all things being equal, can tip the equation your way.

[QUOTE=Arxaello]Hi guys,

I'm in Mid Valley for few days. but don't know at all about the place. can you recommand any good MP to finish the day?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Cititel has a nice facility for you. If you want to get out, you can go to bangsu area which is nearby.

Good luck

Long long time ago there was a lot of girl offering anal sex , I;ve has my experience in GSH but unfortunately the B*B* was not working there. So I took another inisiative which was C***** in A**** H**** but the ass was not as tight as I imagined.

[QUOTE=Supremebeing]
I will not be available until 2 weeks later. Moreover, I'm going over to Labuan tomorrow morning with Bro Si Ma Yi for ultimate Pinoy Cheong trip.[/QUOTE]

Post a report on that labuan trip will ya!