Enough said. Tipping (10-25%) for good service is acceptable. Overpaying by 3 or 4 times is not. We should work together.
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Enough said. Tipping (10-25%) for good service is acceptable. Overpaying by 3 or 4 times is not. We should work together.
[QUOTE=KWKids;1578099]Enough said. Tipping (10-25%) for good service is acceptable. Overpaying by 3 or 4 times is not. We should work together.[/QUOTE]What is this? All the guys get in the corner and do some price fixing? No one tells me what to pay or how much to tip, whether it is high or low. I pay or tip accordingly to the value I receive. One exception is if someone else is paying for my ride.
In what kind of world are you living?
120 dollar is a lot of money in their eyes. Your problem is that you compare to your western standards. 120 dollar is a month salary in Cambodia. You like to spend 120 dollar for a meal? You are a rich decadent pig in their eyes. For 1 dollar, you can eat very well for local standards. I ate in the fanciest restaurant in SR for 45 dollar, me and my girl.
Even then, for 40 dollar, you can have a ST in Amsterdam with a stunner.
Who are you to decide if they are happy or not with 30 dollar? Who are you to decide for them that they are feeling bad for that price. If the price is set at that price, it means it is worth that price for them. Otherwise they would ask more. That's why tourist like you are destroying their natural expectations. We call it spoiling. And that makes you the ego-tripper, not me, I can imagine how good you must feel being the white knight saving the hooker. For one night.
You need to learn more about economy my friend.
Last year in October, I was in Siem Reap and built a good rapport with one of my tuk tuk drivers. I asked him where he went when he wanted to have fun and get a girl. Now keep in mind I can speak passable Khmer. He told me that most Cambodians went to KTV's or karaoke bars. I asked him to give me a tour of the town and we drove around quite a bit as he was showing me where tourist went, and where the locals went. Now don't bother asking me where I went, cause we went in a residential area and from the outside, you'the never guess it was a Karaoke bar. Here is what I got, it was 3 hours of the Karaoke, 30 beers, food, like 3 plates of beef sticks, rice and some sides, 2 girls to keep us entertained all for $40 US dollars. The room was very spacious, you had your own restroom as well. I think that was a pretty good deal. Now, I actually invited my driver to join me, the guy even scrutinized the bill to make sure I wasn't over charged. We didn't finish all 30 beers and they actually will save them for your return or you can take them home. Since I was leaving Siem Reap the next day, I told my driver he could have the rest. He was very appreciative.
Now as for the girls, I didn't get to pick who joined us, my driver told them to bring us some young ones and they did. They weren't stunners but they had a great attitude, let my hands roam and I had a great time. If you wanted to take a girl back to your hotel, it wasn't guaranteed. You had to negotiate with the girl yourself. I decided not to take mine out as I had planned to visit some other areas that night. I only have a picture of what the inside looks like. I also included a picture of the road we took to get there.
[QUOTE=GentleBright;1580944]In what kind of world are you living?
120 dollar is a lot of money in their eyes. Your problem is that you compare to your western standards. 120 dollar is a month salary in Cambodia. You like to spend 120 dollar for a meal? You are a rich decadent pig in their eyes. For 1 dollar, you can eat very well for local standards. I ate in the fanciest restaurant in SR for 45 dollar, me and my girl.
Even then, for 40 dollar, you can have a ST in Amsterdam with a stunner.
Who are you to decide if they are happy or not with 30 dollar? Who are you to decide for them that they are feeling bad for that price. If the price is set at that price, it means it is worth that price for them. Otherwise they would ask more. That's why tourist like you are destroying their natural expectations. We call it spoiling. And that makes you the ego-tripper, not me, I can imagine how good you must feel being the white knight saving the hooker. For one night.
You need to learn more about economy my friend.[/QUOTE]Who am I to decide if the are or are not happy with $30? OMG. Who do you think you are telling others how much they are allowed to pay a girl. There are two types of people on this site. There are the people who try to get it as cheaply as possible and treat the girls like shit. And there are others who appreciate how some of the girls make us feel. We like to show our appreciation with money. A smile from you and your fellow tight arses as a tip does not put food on the table.
Are you saying the wages a shop assistant gets should be the same as the wages a prostitute should get ($120 a month salary you quote). These girls are having sex with (often) fat, smelly, ugly, old, dirty men for money. How disgusting is this? They deserve everything we give them. Especially the nice ones who make us feel special. The scammers and pushy ones who rip us off do not get tips like the ones I give because their service is shit. But if someone takes me to heaven I will reward them.
I'll tell you a story that you may not believe, but it's true. I am not good looking and I do not have a great body. I am not smart and when this event happened I did not have much money. I met an older woman. Maybe 48 when I was about 32 - I have blanked it out because the whole episode was disgusting. We met over lunch for the first time because I needed to get some information from this woman. We (she) drank a lot and got frisky, touching my leg and groin. She had organised a friend to call her midway through the lunch date in case it was boring. In the end the friend came in and joined us and the drinking continued into the evening. When the friend went to the bathroom the woman tried to kiss me on the mouth. Fucking disgusting old hag. I told her she could touch me but no kissing (haha) and she said she wanted it all. She drove me back to work (drunk) and gave me a headjob in the car. It felt good but I was disgusted because she was so fucking old. But it's hard to stop wandering hands and a zip being undone. And it would also offend the other person and I needed to be friends for the work thing we were discussing. This whole situation was revolting me. Over the next few months she chased me and wanted to live together and leave her bf etc etc. I liked her as a fun friend. She introduced me to a fun circle of people. She bought me holidays and gave me gifts. I could have had anything. I refused to have sex until she suggested a three some. I agreed then. The girl she brought was young and nice, but it was the most awkward situation. The young girl would suck me and make me hard then the old woman would take over and I would go soft in her mouth. The young girl got me hard and I entered the old woman and went soft. The young girl was playing with my cock while I was in the old woman trying to keep me hard. It was fucking disgusting.
Anyway, the reason I am telling you this disgusting story is that I know how hard it is to have sex with someone you do not find attractive. And these poor girls that you are talking about do it because they (in some cases) have very few other choices.
I know what it is like to be poor. I had another wealthy older girlfriend. Who I kind of liked having sex with. I was broke at the time. Zero in the bank because of something else I did. She used to pay for all our meals. She would give me the cash to pay the waiter and tell me to leave the change with them - $20 tip on a $30 meal. I often kept the $20 and left a few dollars because I needed the money. A small amount of money can make a big difference to some people.
I'll tell you another story. I know you won't believe this one (this is cathartic telling you this stuff) I'll tell it on the next post in case I lose all this.
[QUOTE=GentleBright;1580944]In what kind of world are you living?
120 dollar is a lot of money in their eyes. Your problem is that you compare to your western standards. 120 dollar is a month salary in Cambodia. You like to spend 120 dollar for a meal? You are a rich decadent pig in their eyes. For 1 dollar, you can eat very well for local standards. I ate in the fanciest restaurant in SR for 45 dollar, me and my girl.
Even then, for 40 dollar, you can have a ST in Amsterdam with a stunner.
Who are you to decide if they are happy or not with 30 dollar? Who are you to decide for them that they are feeling bad for that price. If the price is set at that price, it means it is worth that price for them. Otherwise they would ask more. That's why tourist like you are destroying their natural expectations. We call it spoiling. And that makes you the ego-tripper, not me, I can imagine how good you must feel being the white knight saving the hooker. For one night.
You need to learn more about economy my friend.[/QUOTE]You say that you spent $45 on a meal in the best restaurant. We went to the Hyatt and it cost from memory $130. Only one bottle of wine, one beer and mineral water. Entrée and main meal. Which place did you do to that was better but cheaper.
The Hyatt. For those who are interested. Has these fancy outside (romantic if its dark and your girl is willing to be adventurous) tables with swinging couches. We went inside because it was SO hot but I would have preferred an outside session. Check it out.
[QUOTE=GentleBright;1580944]In what kind of world are you living?
We call it spoiling. And that makes you the ego-tripper, not me, I can imagine how good you must feel being the white knight saving the hooker. For one night.
You need to learn more about economy my friend.[/QUOTE]This is a story you won't believe because you and I live in different worlds.
In my home country (western country) I visited a happy ending massage place and fell for this tiny (20) girl. So cute and sweet. I booked her for an hour or two every day because she was moving interstate in a week or so because there was a cheaper university interstate. I asked her to stay and said I would pay the higher fees in our state. But of course she did not believe me. There is no way you will believe all this. I went to Tiffany's and bought the cheapest diamond bracelet I could find and gave it to her. She still did not believe me. I went to the bank and got out cash. I think it was $2000 (I was a bit sneaky here). I got it all in $10 notes so it looked like a lot. $2000 in 100's is not impressive. And I offered it to her to stay one extra week with me. I actually flicked each note towards her to make it look like a lot and it all landed on the floor as I was staying please stay. These were fun day. Her boss heard the screaming and came running in (female boss who also massaged and who I knew) and saw all the money on the floor. The girl didn't take the money and I left that day. She went interstate and I flew her back for another couple of sessions once she had registered at uni. And then I made her an offer. I had businesses back then, I offered to start a business in her name which we did. I said she would make maybe $40,000 in 6 months. I'm only telling you all this because so much on this site is so boring. We started the business and within 2 months the money was starting to come in. We each made about $450,000 over the next 18 months. It's not important if you believe me. She was a virgin. She was 20. She only did happy endings. I was her first time. She cried. She said no for many weeks (maybe months) before it happened. This girl never massaged again. She didn't need to.
We travelled overseas as part of the business. I took her into Louis Vuitton in Bond St and the shop assistants ignored her. She was only 20 and very small and innocent. She was shy and lacked confidence. We are no longer together because (as we males do) I got tired of her. But I am still in contact sometimes. She is no longer a shy little girl. She has finished uni and has a job.
I stole this girl's first time and maybe I stole some of her innocence. I am a lot older than her. But I also saved her.
So GentleBright, pull your head in. It is possible to save these girls.
I have helped others, but no one else came close to making this much money. I was as shocked as she was at the success of that business.
[QUOTE=Sidtip;1581593]This is a story you won't believe because you and I life in different worlds.
In my home country (western country) I visited a happy ending massage place and fell for this tiny (20) girl. So cute and sweet. I booked her for an hour or two every day because she was moving interstate in a week or so because there was a cheaper university interstate. I asked her to stay and said I would pay the higher fees in our state. But of course she did not believe me. There is no way you will believe all this. I went to Tiffany's and bought the cheapest diamond bracelet I could find and gave it to her. She still did not believe me. I went to the bank and got out cash. I think it was $2000 (I was a bit sneaky here). I got it all in $10 notes so it looked like a lot. $2000 in 100's is not impressive. And I offered it to her to stay one extra week with me. I actually flicked each note towards her to make it look like a lot and it all landed on the floor as I was staying please stay. These were fun day. Her boss heard the screaming and came running in (female boss who also massaged and who I knew) and saw all the money on the floor. The girl didn't take the money and I left that day...[/QUOTE]OMG! Yes we are from different worlds. At least I am helping 4 poor girls for that same 120 dollar. Diamonds and Louis Vuitton will never save anybody. I feel pitty for people like you.
[QUOTE=GentleBright;1581935]OMG! Yes we are from different worlds. At least I am helping 4 poor girls for that same 120 dollar. Diamonds and Louis Vuitton will never save anybody. I feel pitty for people like you.[/QUOTE]Wasn't it you who told me to learn about economics. You pay the lowest prices you can and the girls continue their miserable lives, doomed to sucking smelly shrivelled cocks. I got one out of the scene.
And you are making the assumption that because I pay one person $120 I will not see others and pay them too. You need to be logical if you are going to argue this point.
It's all about having fun and feeling good. I love lying back and being serviced by a girl. If she does a bad job or if she cuts the time short then there is no reward for her. But if she goes above and beyond then I will give her extra. The $1 tip you might give is nice but an extra $50 is like WOW. It's like a westerner being given $2000. It's dramatic and it makes me feel good as well as the girl.
Prices will not change because I do this or if even a few of us do this. But even if prices do change I don't care. I care more about the girls than I care about people like you.
And seeing as you want me to study economics, why don't you spend a little bit of time on your history. Do you know what this country went through not so long ago? The west doomed this country to years of savagery. There is prostitution everywhere (thank god), but the economics of this poor country are where they are today because of us. I don't feel that we necessarily owe them anything, but they are beautiful people and I love throwing a bit of money around to help a couple of them out.
I was at one of the temples being followed by children trying to sell me postcards and stuff. I know it's supposed to be wrong buying stuff from these children because it encourages their parents to keep them out of school f=so that they can beg or sell. But I didn't need any of the stuff they were selling. One offered me a drink. I said yes. She asked me to follow her to her mum's stall outside the temple and I bought a drink. I asked this girl if she wanted one and she said yes. I then asked the other 3 kids who had been following us if they wanted drinks. All of a sudden we were surrounded by 10-15 kids all asking if they could have a drink. In the end I paid $35 for 35 drinks (I don't think there were 35 kids but the stallholder said they took 35 drinks. These little things can be shifty). The kids were happy and I had not supported keeping them in the begging scene. I had simply bought them a drink. Then I saw the bags of chips. Bags of bags of chips. I bought them all and the kids went mad trying to grab them. It was fun and the kids got something. If I had bought their postcards the parents would have got the money (to put food on the table, yes yes) but the kids had a little bit of fun and a story to tell about the mad western tourist who bought half of the products in the stall and gave it away. I had 20 kids yelling and waving as we drove off in our tuk tuk. It's a little memory that people who are tight with money will never experience.
It did cause a problem though. The tuk tuk driver assumed I had money and wanted a bigger tip.
[QUOTE=Sidtip;1581586]You say that you spent $45 on a meal in the best restaurant. We went to the Hyatt and it cost from memory $130. Only one bottle of wine, one beer and mineral water. Entre and main meal. Which place did you do to that was better but cheaper.
.[/QUOTE]Its so funny listening to guys boast about how much they spend and how they think their money is better than everyone elses. And that spending more makes them somehow better.
I'm happy that I have money having worked for it, but more happy that I have a responsible attitude to it, and don't need the ego trip of spending more than I need to, or telling everyone else how much I have.
Who knows whos real here and whos not,. Who knows whos telling truths or lies here. No one. So it doesn't matter.
Enjoy spending your money as you do. The girls won't remember you any better than the next punter.
We all have to live within our means or else pay the consequences. I personally know a couple of guys who flushed all their money down the toilet trying to buy some broad's love or prove something to themselves and now they are flat broke and alone. Assuming the OP is telling the truth more or less; what he does with his own money doesn't bother me in the least. I think what he did sounds a little silly, but that's just me and probably a lot of other board members agree. The bottom line, however, is that if he got a kick out of how he spent his money on a girl and he could afford what he did, then I say way to go, man. Do your own thing.
Personally if I had 20 or 30 million net in investment grade securities, stocks, and real estate, I'd be boning young would be Hollywood actresses in the USA and Thai and Indonesian FHM models (the ones with natural boobs) when I was in Asia. And I would probably throw in a few up and coming Brazilian models into the mix as well. In other words, if I had 20 or 30 million I wouldn't care what I spent on girls. I would go for the top quality in whatever watering hole I wandered into although I would make sure I knew what the going rate was for the top quality and I would never go more than say 10% above it. I would keep the girls as long as I wanted and take them wherever I wanted. Yeah, the money would flow, but I wouldn't spend a dime on drugs or sick buffalo and I think I would be real happy at least as far as punting was concerned.
But come to think of it, this is exactly what I am doing now, except I have to live within my means which means I can only give myself 2 months in Asia per year not spend full time here and I must content myself with the company of mostly sexy Go Go, oily, and soapy Thai girls and their counterparts in the PI, Indonesia, Cambodia, (and Macau for 5 days a year 555) and not superstars. Boo Hoo.
One thing for sure, I don't and I WOULDN'T GIVE MY HARD EARNED MONEY AWAY FOR FREE to any girl I met along the way no matter how wealthy I was or how sweet and beautiful she was. But that's just me.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1582281]Its so funny listening to guys boast about how much they spend and how they think their money is better than everyone elses. And that spending more makes them somehow better.
I'm happy that I have money having worked for it, but more happy that I have a responsible attitude to it, and don't need the ego trip of spending more than I need to, or telling everyone else how much I have.
Who knows whos real here and whos not,. Who knows whos telling truths or lies here. No one. So it doesn't matter.
Enjoy spending your money as you do. The girls won't remember you any better than the next punter.[/QUOTE]I assume you were not on the school debating team. You lack logic and rational argument. The conversation was not a boast about money. Someone made the statement that they went to the best restaurant. They were pulled up on that question.
It's a bit bemusing that a bunch of you can only talk about why I should not give the girls extra money. Who do you seriously think you are?[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] That's the downside of chatrooms and forums like this: they are giving people like you a voice when in the past NO ONE would ever have to listen you speak. So look at the heading and climb back into.
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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1582292]We all have to live within our means or else pay the consequences. I personally know a couple of guys who flushed all their money down the toilet trying to buy some broad's love or prove something to themselves and now they are flat broke and alone. Assuming the OP is telling the truth more or less; what he does with his own money doesn't bother me in the least. I think what he did sounds a little silly, but that's just me and probably a lot of other board members agree. The bottom line, however, is that if he got a kick out of how he spent his money on a girl and he could afford what he did, then I say way to go, man. Do your own thing.
Personally if I had 20 or 30 million net in investment quality securities, stocks, and real estate, I'd be boning would be Hollywood actresses in the USA and Thai and Indonesian FHM models (the ones with natural boobs) when I was in Asia..[/QUOTE]Exactly. Once you reach critical mass stage with money it becomes that you earn it faster than you can spend it. Money is shit. It's not as good as you think. I would be happier waking up with the same girl every morning (for 3 months then I would want a new one) and feeling the love. The reason many of us earn is so that we can do good things with our money. Once we have a house and car and the big tv, it's time to help others. I do it in a selfish way. I give it to people who make me feel good. But, yes, they only get it while I am getting the sex. When they go the money stops.
I'm leaving for Cambodia today, so I will be short and probably not on the site for a while. I did recently (Jan. '14) take a trip to the DR and did not leave a returning post due to it not being a great trip. I was disappointed and did not want to rehash it in a negative way on this site. I did get layed a lot but it seemed everyone was constantly trying to scam / hustle you including the ladies. Definitely no GFE's, which I prefer.
Although this will be my first trip to Cambodia, a good friend of mine has recently moved there and has filled me in on the ends and outs. He is going to show me around. He is well established in the Ex-pat community in PP. He dates both local girls and ex-pat ladies. From what he tells me there are a lot of girls in Siem Riep and PP that are looking for a BF and not $(non-pros). If you choose to pay he stated that the going rate is $5-20 for ST and 15-30 for LT, no more. Granted, I am in my mid forties and in fairly good shape, however these girls are mainly looking for a sugar-daddy. Think about this, would Michael Douglas at 80+ have Catherine Zeta-Jones if he was a custodian (nothing against custodians)? These women are happy and fulfilled to sleep with us instead of a local 20 ish guy who stinks and has no money and beats them. I would rather sleep with an attractive older lady than a nasty 18 why / o crack working girl any day.
Fun stories? I will give you (Sidtip) credit for telling some interesting stories, however if you choose to break the common protocol, ie-overpaying, leave it out. I have a friend here on the forum who goes bareback all the time but he knows that this is unpopular here so he leaves it out of his stories. Get it.
I will leave this site for Cambodia today with one humorous Cambodian story. My friend was telling me that when he takes his clothes to the laundry lady in PP that she charges extra if you have any streaks in your drawers, so he told me to make sure I keep my undies clean when there. I plan to hook-up with as many women as I can and pay the least amount of money. I'm a middle-class teacher. Capitalism rules! Good luck and happy hunting.
[QUOTE=KWKids;1582995]If you choose to pay he stated that the going rate is $5-20 for ST and 15-30 for LT, no more. [/QUOTE]Good luck! I think the $5 - $20 range for ST quality girls is way too optimistic. I think you will find the real range is $20 to $40 for ST bar girls. It is true though, that ex-pats get a better rate, but that is because they know the girls a long time and put up with a certain amount of BS from them. But if you were to go into a Phnom Penh Bar cold where the girls do not know you and you do not speak Khmer, expect to pay at least $25 to $35. As a matter of fact, if you do go to these hostess bars, you will encounter a number of girls on their "mens" and therefor not barfineable. On the other hand, if you want to pick up a stray FL around Wat Phnom you will most certainly pay less. Personally, I wouldn't shag those girls even if they paid me.
As for Siem Reap, I think there is much less to choose from and the quality is lower than Phnom Penh. One goes to Siem Reap for the Angkor Archaeological park. Any decent girls you find there are a bonus.
Have a great trip!