Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939665]

[B]V, this is the only part I object to what you wrote.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2939331].

He wants to analogize the use of a gun pointed at someone demanding their Rolex in return for $1 dollar. That is a foolish analogy. More apt would be: Two people have guns drawn on each other, one says I want your Rolex for $1, the other says I really like my Rolex but I will sell it to you for $1 but I want your laptop and I will buy it for $2. One hands over the Rolex, the other hands over the Laptop and takes the $1 net. They holster their guns and go to the bar to celebrate, both thinking they got the better of the deal.

[/QUOTE]His analogy about the gunman and the Rolex wasn't about the Mexican-American War. It was about the Transcontinental Treaty of 1821. In that treaty in 1821, Spain ceded their claim to the Oregon Territory (modern day Oregon, Washington, Idaho and parts of Montana and British Colombia). In return Spain wanted agreement on the boundaries of Texas to which the US agreed. The reason was that the Louisiana Purchase was drawn up with a not very accurate map and Spain valued their Texas property and wanted the boundaries clearly defined.

Of course, Mexico won their independence from Spain a few years later. Subby wants to claim that the US held a gun to their head to force that 1821 agreement with Spain. A bizarre concoction of fiction and fantasy.

It all started when I told both Subby and JustTK they were full of fertilizer when they claimed that the US land mass of today was almost all land grabs from wars or conflicts. It was easy to prove that more than 50% of the US land mass was purchased from European claim holders (I'm counting Russia as European here).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939665]In the Mexican American war, Mexico through the first punch, and we kicked their ass. It seems to have been swept under the rug but in the Mexican American war, the USA took over Mexico City despite the Mexicans having a huge advantage in troops. We did not put a gun to their hand to get the Rolex. We had everything they fucking owned in our possession and did not have to give them shit. What we did was fair and the territory was not only paid for with money but with the death of thousands of American troops.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939665]

There were very few Mexicans living in Arizona, California, New Mexico, and North of the Rio Grande river. In fact, the Mexicans invited Americans in to farm the lands in Texas as a buffer to the frequent Native American raids.

One of the things that colonists learned quickly was the importance of property rights to achieve wealth. If no one owns the land, no one is going to work and farm it, so that concept of no property rights the Native Americans advocate is boneheaded. The problem with the Mexicans is they used to talk the talk but not walk the walk with property rights. The concept that people wanted and chose a government which respected property rights seems to go over the heads of SC and TK.

And the worst was the Mexican prick General Santa Anna. He was in exile in Cuba, told the USA he would broker peace, and the USA provided passage for him to Mexico, and then he led the Mexican troops against us. Fortunately, he got his ass kicked.[/QUOTE]See, I have to disagree with you about Santa Anna. He was a great general! Hahahaha. Given his numerical superiority and trained military, if he had been competent he might well have put down the Texas Revolution in 1835-36. Failing that he didn't do any better when he returned to lead the Mexican army in the Mexican-American war but in all fairness he probably had no chance in that war. He wasn't facing farmers and ranchers and a few stray immigrants, that time he was facing a well equipped, well trained US Army. Maybe this is where the phrase [B]Fuck with the Bull, you get the horn[/B] came from?

US Navy Seals have an expression: [I]It pays to be a winner[/I].

When you win the war you write the history. No war crime trials. No review of your genocide. No review of your solders raping, pillaging, robbing ect. That is why it is so easy for the pale faces to have such a big smile as they look back on the glory days when they could just do what they wanted up in this mother fucker.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939665]American blacks going to Colombia and talking about privilege is one of the most hypocritical things there is.[/QUOTE]What's up with that?

[B]Fear of a Black Planet?[/B]

You are so privileged you think having a passport and the ability to use it is something I should be thankful for. Nothing could be further from the truth you mother fucker. That passport is my birthright just like you pale face mother fuckers posting up in here.

White men are the original passport bros. They had ships and guns and arrived on the shores of others and said hands up mother fuckers. We need slaves and while we are here we want to fuck your girls and we will give you some of this rum. And be happy about it ya bitches because we could just flat blast your ass and take everything.

We are doing this shit cause all men are created equal. Except for these slaves we are taking back to the United States of America. [B]Holla![/B].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939665]But yeah, SC claiming to be a victim is crazy.[/QUOTE]I am not claiming to be victim you white hoodie wearing mother fucker (YHWMF). We have tangled before Elvis and you have called me a socialist. I clapped back on your ass and you shut the fuck up about that shit. We can continue to tangle.

It is precisely because I busted my ass and learned how to operate as a capitalist in a society that is clearly racist in the United States of America that I have anything at all. I refused to be a victim. (NVDA up 887.5%) [B]Oh shit![/B].

But you people, well ya got problems and issues. Because in the United States of America you not making enough babies that look like you. Pure demographics are going to change the nature of the United States of America. You and the [B]Vman[/B] running all over the world fucking prostitues is is not helping the cause.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939665]After this, TK does not understand the American experience and how we choose our government, and our government serves (or is supposed to serve) us who pay for it. It is not meant to be altruistic.[/QUOTE]I cannot speak for TK and neither can you. You can guess and make your bullshit suppositions but they are not facts. That is something you have a lot of problems understanding.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2934117]It is fine that you have uninformed opinions, SubHuman, just spend a few minutes checking. [b]Or perhaps you belong the Elvis school of facts. If you say it, it must be true, despite the absurdity.[/b][/QUOTE]This is what your boy thinks of you and me brother. With friends like this you don't need enemies.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939665]The concept that people wanted and chose a government which respected property rights seems to go over the heads of SC and TK.[/QUOTE]Nothing goes over my head. But I am often amazed at your level of arrogance that you think that you can make declarations and that once you make them no others can comment. Not how it works here on ISG. If you want that go chill with your pale face friend in Russia and take your boy Trump with your ass.

[B]Would anyone like to talk about the history of how Hawaii became a state?[/B]

[I]Declares that the Congress: (1) on the 100th anniversary of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893, acknowledges the historical significance of this event which resulted in the suppression of the inherent sovereignty of the Native Hawaiian people; (2) commends efforts of reconciliation initiated by Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians; (3) apologizes for the overthrow and the deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination; (4) expresses its commitment to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow in order to provide a foundation for reconciliation between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people; and (5) urges the President to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow and to support reconciliation efforts.[/I]

[URL]https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/senate-joint-resolution/19[/URL]

[B]Facts are a terrible thing to waste![/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937227] since you are coming into the conversation very late without doing your home work read this [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937227] A Russia feels they are acting in their own interests right now. .[/QUOTE]How Russia "feels" is irrelevant. They felt like violating the Budapest Memorandum that they agreed to by invading Ukraine and occupying land within their 1991 borders. They also felt like killing off all viable opponents to Putin. They feel like murdering Ukrainian civilians while hiding their bodies, and kidnapping their children and placing them in re-indoctrination camps. This is all done with the nuclear saber rattling that the USSR avoided, along with a fanciful historical narrative that denies Ukraine's right to exist. This all calls for a response.

We live in a world of alliances, such as NATO, of which many former Soviet block nations asked to join because they reject the dark world that is Russia. Ukraine, though not a member is an ally, while likewise there's concerns about stability in Europe, and even more so of setting precedents where tyrants can get whatever they want by rattling a nuclear saber.

Your gross error is in equating Russian actions with those of every other nation in the world acting in their own interests, and that of their allies. In fact it's so grossly over simplified that your Ivy.

League education is quite questionable, while JustTK's YTU (YouTube University) degree makes perfect sense.

And to add to the silliness you want to reach back to the early 1800's, a very different world, and apply biased and at times fanciful narratives to current events. That's what brought me into the conversation.

And you ARE living life as a victim. You could start by just calling people you don't like "MFer," rather than "White MFer," then progress from there.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939575]Completely nullifies your point.[/QUOTE]Constantly blustering around here claiming victory when you've won nothing just makes you look like a *******. Just a FYI, and I believe your doctoral committe at Yale would agree. Wink.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939665]American blacks going to Colombia and talking about privilege is one of the most hypocritical things there is. Maybe they should be paying reparations to Colombians [/QUOTE]That's food for thought.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2939505]but it's worth noting that they don't want passport bros there either.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939701]White men are the original passport bros. They had ships and guns and arrived on the shores of others and said hands up mother fuckers. We need slaves and while we are here we want to fuck your girls and we will give you some of this rum. And be happy about it ya bitches because we could just flat blast your ass and take everything.
We are doing this shit cause all men are created equal. Except for these slaves we are taking back to the United States of America. [B]Holla![/B].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2939721]That's food for thought.[/QUOTE]Since you seem to be hungry for intellectual knowledge from non intellectuals. Here is some more food for thought [B]Paulie97[/B]. And while we are at it why don't you answer the question below:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939575]BTW what is a [B]Passport Bro[/B]? Give me the Colombian government definition and your own, How do you and the Colombian government identify a traveler as such?
[B]Your serve![/B][/QUOTE][B]Paulie97[/B] you have gone silent. You entered the discussion. You made the statement. [B] Now back it up or STFU![/B].

[QUOTE=Villainy;2916279]OK, OK let me see if I can explain it to you.
This is the "Stuipid Shit in Medellin" forum. If you can't abide by mindless banter, then by all means, feel free to leave.[/QUOTE]I agree with you [B]Villainy[/B].

Funny how everyone wants to re write what I said. But see the post above. This is where we are.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2939699]His analogy about the gunman and the Rolex wasn't about the Mexican-American War.[/QUOTE]Actually it was. If you go back and read my posts instead of trying to spin them you will see the connection I made.

[I]What did the Oregon Treaty of 1846 do?
The Oregon Treaty of 1846 established the border between the United States and British Canada along the 49th parallel, splitting the British's vast territory called the Columbia Region and the United States called the Oregon Territory. It also dropped a line a little south to include all of Vancouver Island in the British section.[/I]

[I]The British saw Polks stance as a challenge to the empires honor and a threat to British economic interests. As a result, London responded with their own threats. Officials declared the Royal Navy was prepared to commission a force in defense of Oregon that would overwhelm the U.S. Navy. [b]As tensions mounted, both countries prepared for the possibility of war.[/b] In the summer of 1845 Washington offered a compromise. Polk put forward again the initial U.S. proposal to divide Oregon along the forty-ninth parallel. This placed Puget Sound on the American side of the border. The British rejected this offer, however, and Polk ceased negotiations.[/I]

[URL]https://education.cfr.org/teach/mini-simulation/oregon-boundary-dispute-1845[/URL]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2939699]It all started when I told both Subby and JustTK they were full of fertilizer when they claimed that the US land mass of today was almost all land grabs from wars or conflicts. [/QUOTE]Villainy (I cannot get any pussy so that is why I don't write about it here) was wrong. [B]Full Stop[/B].

[QUOTE=Villainy;2939699]It was easy to prove that more than 50% of the US land mass was purchased from European claim holders (I'm counting Russia as European here).[/QUOTE]He not only failed to prove it. He has backed away from his initial statement redefining land mass and purchase in the process.

In this particular case it is not true. [B]Villainy is lying about the entire conversation[/B]. And he is wrong. The United States of America received the majority of the land it sits on through the spoils of war or the threat of war. I have disputed two of the items that Villainy claims are purchases that are not. Thereby lowering the amount of land mass he claimed in the majority.

He simply did what he always does which is some stupid ass shit. But this the thread we are in. He wants to attack my ability to read, add and write. The [B]ad hominem[/B] is the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt. He is held up in that position like it is the Alamo with his boys Paulie97 and Elvis2000. Good luck fellas. I got the facts on my side and you guys are fighting a hopeless cause. But keep calling me names and implying things about me. If it gets you all the attention you need to feel better about yourselves each day, I support you fully and glad I can help you all out.

[B]Hey Paulie97 you a mother fucker[/B]! You happy now *****!

[B]Paulie97[/B] your constant diarrhea of the keyboard spews into this thread on a constant basis. The one liners you think are so cute may make add to your post count and make you feel better, but they do nothing to further your arguments nor show that you have any shred of intelligence whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2939716]Constantly blustering around here claiming victory when you've won nothing just makes you look like a *******.[/QUOTE]Been a very long time that I cared about what [I]people like you[/I] think of me. My audience is not you. My audience is international. Besides I win your attention. Because for whatever reason your are not paying in attention to the chicas all around you in Colombia. Or you doing time in sex prison and are just passing time until you get a work release for you next trip to Colombia?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2939716] Just a FYI, and I believe your doctoral committe at Yale would agree. Wink.[/QUOTE]]Think further west. Atlantic Coast Conference. Undergraduate. Post graduate degree: Doctor of Conflict Resolution. [B]I regulate with the best of them[/B].

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939813]Or you doing time in sex prison [/QUOTE]You got it. I love most everything about where I am except the women situation, but can travel a few times each year. Nice, France is next, heading out in three weeks.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2939008]I can see why you left the United States. There really isn't much of a future for someone who can't read, can't handle addition, suffers from conspiracy theories and advocates revisionist history.[/QUOTE][B]Ad hominem attack[/B] implying that I am not equal as a fellow American. The most ironic thing about that statement is that Villainy left the United States of America because he was so lame he could not get pussy there. So he got his pension check and ran to Colombia to pay prostitutes so he could finally get off consistently with hot chicas. No hate. Just calling it the way I see it as a good umpire does.

[B]Paulie97[/B] But in your case you like the [B]Vman[/B] want to look past the ratchet shit the government of the United States of America does and has done. Instead. You prefer to put on your short shirt and pick up your red, white and blue pom poms. You spend time up in here time pumping them up and down here like the head of a Thai Girl going down on my dick. Holla!

Neither you or [B]Vman[/B] are interested in judging anyone by the [I]content of their character[/I]. Your standard for judgement is how they write the King's English on a site where we are up in her to discuss how to get into the mouth, pussy and ass of girls (paid or unpaid with money as pussy is never free). [B]Why exactly do either you think I give a fuck about what either of you think of me?[/B].

In Latin America people describe individuals by how they look. I did not take offense when the police shouted at me "hey negro". Nor did I have to fear for my life because the guns were out as I do in the United States of America. Nothing has changed. In retrospect, having to find an different place to live is small slight compared to being gunned down in the street by racist police men all over the United States of America.

What you and the [B]VMan[/B] both do is ignore facts that you don't like. You are both allowed to have your own opinions but not your own facts. So, argue all you like but you both make the logical fallacy of using the [B]ad hominem[/B] attack when you disagree with someone. This is used often by you both simply because I think differently from either of you. Which is my right as human being.

You think I care about what you think about my IVY League education? (wrong coast on your guess by the way). I stopped worrying about what [I]your people[/I] think of me the minute I emancipated myself for wage slavery and no longer had to answer to [I]you people[/I]. Are you still a wage slave [B]Paulie97[/B]?

A man with a documented history of discrimination against his fellow Americans became President of the United States. I think something like that is significant and should be pointed out. You cannot just ignore it because it represents a [I]inconvenient truth[/I] for you to deal with.

This entire discussion has been loosely related to history. But then [B]we get something like this from the man who lives in a land of plentiful pussy but is focused on dick[/B]:

[QUOTE=Villainy;2939654]You might want to be pretty careful about just getting blow jobs from your Thai beauties. There are a lot of - how shall I put this delicately [I]gorgeous "women"[/I] [B]who aren't configured the way you expect below the belt-line,[/B] if you get my drift.[/QUOTE]Once again the man is speaking of something he knows nothing about. I would put him in check about it but is a topic that is frowned upon in by the Administrator up in dis *****.

Maybe he should just read the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread. He might learn something. Maybe you both should. But both of you are not interested in learning or in a exchange of your ideas. You prefer to push your perception while failing to take a step back in order to gain some perspective.

Have you every thought that my experiences in the United States of America might have been very different from yours? Those experiences cannot be invalidated simply because they do not align with your or fit within your neatly defined perceptions. And they do not make me a victim. I am as far from being a victim as it get. I am up in here taking shit to you mother fuckers from the same position of privilege. Difference is that I earned it. But you mother fuckers just got born and it was declared that you have privilege. LOL!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939797]I agree with you [B]Villainy[/B].[/QUOTE]It is about fucking time that you saw the light!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2939699]His analogy about the gunman and the Rolex wasn't about the Mexican-American War.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939797]
[B]Actually it was. If you go back and read my posts instead of trying to spin them you will see the connection I made.[/B][/QUOTE]It was about the Mexican-American war? Interesting! How did the US and Great Britain sign a treaty resolving disputes about the border between the US Oregon Territory and the British Columbia colony in 1846 if the Mexican War didn't end until 1848? Are you rewriting history and making Great Britain a participant of the Mexican-American war?? I think you got lost in your own version of the facts and are desperately trying to win an argument that was wrong from the outset.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939797][I]What did the Oregon Treaty of 1846 do?
The Oregon Treaty of 1846 established the border between the United States and British Canada along the 49th parallel, splitting the British's vast territory called the Columbia Region and the United States called the Oregon Territory. It also dropped a line a little south to include all of Vancouver Island in the British section.[/I]

[I]The British saw Polks stance as a challenge to the empires honor and a threat to British economic interests. As a result, London responded with their own threats. Officials declared the Royal Navy was prepared to commission a force in defense of Oregon that would overwhelm the U.S. Navy. As tensions mounted, both countries prepared for the possibility of war. In the summer of 1845 Washington offered a compromise. Polk put forward again the initial U.S. proposal to divide Oregon along the forty-ninth parallel. This placed Puget Sound on the American side of the border. The British rejected this offer, however, and Polk ceased negotiations.[/I][/QUOTE]That treaty between the US and Great Britain defined the northern border between the US Oregon territory and the British colony of British Columbia.

But answer me this, Subbie. How did the US earn an equal position in that treaty? What happened to the Spanish claim which was antecedent by more than a century?

How did the US earn a position at the table with Great Britain to draw up an agreement on the border without the participation of Spain? Why wasn't Spain at the table?

Maybe you made another mistake and you meant for your Gun and Rolex misanalogy to refer to the US and Great Britain. Is that it?? Your theory is the US threatened Great Britain with a war in order to wrest away the Oregon Territory? Except that the Oregon Territory was already ceded to the US from Spain through the Transcontinental Treaty of 1821. [B]That is the reason the US and Great Britain were dealing with each other over the border defining treaty[/B].

At the time of the treaty of 1846 with Great Britain, the US was already involved in a war with Mexico so there was [B]NO[/B] inclination to start a war with Great Britain at the same time. Nor were the British inclined to start another war with the US having already had two bad experiences in the last 75 years.

[I]The British were also disinclined to fight a war with the United States over this territory, so they agreed to the terms of the Oregon Treaty. (It was a modified version of an earlier American proposal.) The agreement extended the border along the 49th parallel to the Pacific Ocean but kept Vancouver Island within British North America. It was also agreed that British subjects living in the Oregon Territory south of the 49th parallel would retain navigation rights on the Columbia River.[/I]

[URL]https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/oregon-treaty[/URL]

So, to recap. The US [B] purchased more than 1/2 the land mass of the current United States (Louisiana Purchase, Oregon Territory exchange, Gadsen Purchase and Alaska Purchase)[/B]. So you and your homie JustTK can claim all these US lands were land-grabs or theft or whatever gives you a warm feeling but history isn't changing to help you guys feel better about blaming the US for all your failures in life.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939797][B]Hey Paulie97 you a mother fucker[/B]! You happy now *****![/QUOTE]Kind of a slimy thing to say. But I do give you credit for one thing SubCmdr. For years now I have had knock-down drag-out arguments with Elvis and Paulie. I don't think there is anything any of the three of us could agree on. Yet you and only you seem to have been able to pull the three of us onto the same side of an argument. Truly amazing!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939797]In this particular case it is not true. Villainy is lying about the entire conversation. And he is wrong. The United States of America received the majority of the land it sits on through the spoils of war or the threat of war. I have disputed two of the items that Villainy claims are purchases that are not. Thereby lowering the amount of land mass he claimed in the majority. [/QUOTE]Villainy probably overstepped when he claimed that most of the land was purchased. Did you say "very little" was purchased? You were so quoted I believe, but that doesn't mean a lot here. If so then that could be an understatement. But what was the Native-American perspective? Did those living in the lands of the Louisiana Purchase believe France had a right to sell it? That's one example, but that's why I interjected the differing worldviews regarding land rights. These were also at the heart of many of the wars. Efforts were made to live peaceably together, but the different mindsets kept cropping up.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2939654]
BTW let me enlighten you on a few other things. Paulie isn't exactly my "bud". We've gone at it more than a few times. His favorite "go-to attack" is to call someone a liar, especially when he gets caught in the contradictions of his own failed memory.[/QUOTE]BTW you aren't that sophisticated, as seen in your litany of quibbles here, but here's some enlightenment. The issue isn't memory, but arises when you get caught putting words in the mouths of others. The contradiction is with reality, as you disappeared when proofs of the authenticity of the several fake quotes you attributed to me were requested in my post to you on 3-16 this year. ISG search engine is your friend, but of course zilch, nada, thus no reply. I graciously accepted your silence as a retraction and moved on.

After an extended break with a long vacation I check in and nothing has changed. You were here the whole time, steadily insulting, name calling, and fighting to the end with about anyone who comes along. Here your own failed memory comes into play given all the "act like a gentleman" appeals you've made in the past while pining away about those who hang around attacking other members.

The Cmndr, JustTK, and surely the rest are getting a big kick out of your go to attacks as the self-appointed grammar and spelling policeman here. I actually felt a bit sorry for you, so added some new content as a bit of an assist, while I had a desire to deepen and broaden the discussion with some relevant historical content and current events. As you can see the conversation is taking off now while others have joined in. I'm glad that I helped facilitate a shift.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939887]


Neither you or [B]Vman[/B] are interested in judging anyone by the [I]content of their character[/I]. [/QUOTE]I can't speak for Paulie but I would happily judge you by the content of your character as soon as you demonstrate you have some.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939887]

What you and the [B]VMan[/B] both do is ignore facts that you don't like. You are both allowed to have your own opinions but not your own facts. [/QUOTE]And apparently you think for God knows what reason that [B]YOU [/B] and only you are the arbiter of what is and what is not a fact.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939887]

You think I care about what you think about my IVY League education? (wrong coast on your guess by the way).
[/QUOTE]Just as a point of curiosity, are you saying you didn't go to an East Coast Ivy? Like Paulie, that is what I would have guessed (assuming it were true in the first place).

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2939875]You got it. I love most everything about where I am except the women situation, but can travel a few times each year. Nice, France is next, heading out in three weeks.[/QUOTE]Glad you found a place where life is good for you. I have too. [B]Respect![/B].