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[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1167865]Just as it is written here. A combined sound of "the" and "t".
"the" has a more soft sound,"t" a bit harder. Try the english word "door" but include the "t" in second position (dtoor).
Maa Paa[/QUOTE]Sorry for my wrong spelling, see it just now. It should be the was it is here in the quote: "the" and "t". Not "the" and "t".
Maa Paa
(Oh, good forum - but the software ...... I was quite sure that I wrote " t " and " d " - but it's coming out as "the" again. Sorry)
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1167632]I think that the main issue is that, compared to' other nationals, american have less habit to' interact with other people, cultures.
As much as there Are substantial differences between a new yorker and a guy from Dallas or Denver or California, the basic american roots are the same.
You go to' Europe where there are two dozens of countries, a dozen languages. All with their history, past, culture.
This automatically broadens the people's mind.
A mere fact. Nothing to' do with losers or winners.
The type of media in the States also favours a lot the creation and diffusione of stereotypes.
I am european and I will never forget the question of a young kit: "do you have TV in your country?"
That wasin 1973: the man had already been on the moon. Still.
I don't want to take into politics but it is a fact the USA have made huge mistakes in their overseas military actions. Mainly due to the differential culture and not prepared to deal with other cultures.
Much easier for us Europeans.
In 5-7 hrs you can go through 2-3 different countries and languages! [/QUOTE]You talk too much. Watch out for black vans around your house. No matter where you are.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1167521]S. D,
Not to drag on the conversation because I agree with much of your points except the following since I think you misunderstood what was written by me so I feel a response is necessary on those points.
Statement regarding the 10, if you noted I said I recently read a article regarding the percentage it didn't come from Europeans throwing it around while sitting around having a few cold one! Whether it is true or not isn't the point!
Also, your statement about a guy from N. Y. Going to just the Gulf can get the same experience backup my contention that most American are ignorant as to what is going on outside the borders (Canada / Mexico) that is like saying a guy from Buffalo goes on a vacation to San Francisco Chinatown can get the same experience as someone actually going to Hong Kong?
You are correct regarding Canada and Mexico pre-9/11, travel. But whether one needs a passport for Canada or Mexico isn't the point the point is actually having one through application process was the point I was making. My own personal view is when traveling to Canada and Mexico it really doesn't count since as you noted the borders are shared. Going to Canada / Mexico is like going from S. F. To L. A. Which is like not going on a vacation at all? My views in general regarding traveling is actually crossing a ocean to getting to the place. On a lighter note even after 9/11 you still don't need a passport. The number of illegal immigrants still coming into the USA from share borders also indicates you still don't need one?
LBM[/QUOTE]LBM. True true, on the not needing a passport!
As far as that other statement about Canada / Mexico being like going from SF to LA.
Going to Mexico (real Mexico, not touristy-Cancun or whatever) is night and day from the United States, heh. Canada I think you can make that argument safely, if you're willing to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a few Canadians in the process. They're not very fond of the whole "51st state" concept, and if you watched the aftermath of the hockey playoffs last week you know what happens when you make them mad!
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1167632]I think that the main issue is that, compared to' other nationals, american have less habit to' interact with other people, cultures.
As much as there Are substantial differences between a new yorker and a guy from Dallas or Denver or California, the basic american roots are the same.
You go to' Europe where there are two dozens of countries, a dozen languages. All with their history, past, culture.
This automatically broadens the people's mind.
A mere fact. Nothing to' do with losers or winners.
The type of media in the States also favours a lot the creation and diffusione of stereotypes.
I am european and I will never forget the question of a young kit: "do you have TV in your country?"
That wasin 1973: the man had already been on the moon. Still.
I don't want to take into politics but it is a fact the USA have made huge mistakes in their overseas military actions. Mainly due to the differential culture and not prepared to deal with other cultures.
Much easier for us Europeans.
In 5-7 hrs you can go through 2-3 different countries and languages! [/QUOTE]I don't think the US mistakes in military action have anything to do with "culture" per say. You could argue that as a result of these military actions, there is now a tension between Americans and Arab / Muslim countries, maybe that's what you're saying?
In a sense, Americans are more willing to accept other cultures since our own is such a "melting pot" of different places. Contrast this with say, Finland. Where 95% of the population comes from the same background.
The proximity of other countries Europeans is one factor to consider, but in my experience, Western European societies are not dramatically different from one another. Of course, there are differences, but when you compare (just to pick two) Denmark and Austria, there's less of a difference than comparing Canada to Vietnam.
Perhaps Europeans are just better international travelers, since it's more common there.
Who knows? Like everything else in life it's shades of gray.
You can get obnoxious people from any culture, whether it be Americans, Europeans, or anyplace else.
[QUOTE=Iching;1167533]Thanks for saving us brits in the 2nd world war, we'd be speaking german if it wasn't for you US people.[/QUOTE]Anytime man. My grandfather would be happy to know that he saved your grandmother from certain Deutsch.
[QUOTE=Stl Danish;1168168]I don't think the US mistakes in military action have anything to do with "culture" per say. You could argue that as a result of these military actions, there is now a tension between Americans and Arab / Muslim countries, maybe that's what you're saying? You can get obnoxious people from any culture, whether it be Americans, Europeans, or anyplace else.[/QUOTE]Not planning to extend the talks on cultural differences on Pattaya reports forum, but my main point on the differences have been exploited by you too so there is a common opinion.
On the more touchy subject of some "failure", I refer to the unawareness from the major part of the troops sent there of the environment (including cultural).
It opened a lot of wrong actions, rather than smoothing things.
Especially when interacting with the population (and military actions of recent years do have a lot to do with interaction with the locals).
I agree that US is huge different nationalities pot, but I am not so 100% sure about the real melting as.
A) the "immigrants" tend to carry on their cultural habits within their group.
Be) the "immigrants" do have to adapt (quickly) to the US rules to be able to stay there.
I am not criticizing either behaviour, but just observing.
We european are more used to travel to foreing countries (as they are also next door in many cases) and we experienced other cultures in their home ground.
The US people experience, for the most of the cases, other cultures not in the original and genuine homeground (see above point a).
Just think about how many grey areas there are in Europe nearby borders (France to Italy, to Germany. Etc) Italy to Austria, to Slovenia and so on and so on). These represent a sort of cultural enrichment (or exchange).
I am done now. As fully OT. .
[QUOTE=Stl Danish;1168174]Anytime man. My grandfather would be happy to know that he saved your grandmother from certain Deutsch.[/QUOTE]Anything wrong here with Germans or German language?
Maa Paa
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1168217]I agree that US is huge different nationalities pot, but I am not so 100% sure about the real melting as.
A) the "immigrants" tend to carry on their cultural habits within their group.
Be) the "immigrants" do have to adapt (quickly) to the US rules to be able to stay there.
I am not criticizing either behaviour, but just observing. [/QUOTE]The whole Melting Pot thing was just some late 18th century fairytale bullshit. These days the theory has been revamped and is taught with the country being compared to a Salad Bowl. In a Salad Bowl various distinct ingredients compose the overall dish. They do touch and interact, but do not blend together to form something that no longer leaves the orignal ingredients indistinguishable. For the most part when a salad is complete you can still pick out the cucumbers, tomatoes, and chesse and recognize it as such. In a melting pot everything is jumbled in and the finished product is something that totally different and the individual ingredients are not recognizable. The USA has never been such a thing.
[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1167856]Hm. Just "don't stop" should be something like "harm yud","mai dtong yud","mai dai yud" or "mai ao yud". (Here the letter "you" in "yud" is pronounced like the short "oo" in the word "good".
But you can also try to tell her: "go on". Then it would be something like "dtor" or "tum dtor". (Here the letter "you" in "tum" is pronounced like the short "o" in the word "cum".
Hope it will help you.
Maa Paa[/QUOTE]"yar yoot" (yaa yut. Depends how you want to spell it) simply means "don't stop!". So that is the best one here.
"mai dtong yud" is okay but means "its not necessary to stop", the other subtle variations are not as good even though will be probably understood."harm yoot" is too formal and would be found on a traffic sign "stopping is forbidden"."mai dai yud" really means "I didn't stop" (or "didn't get to stop"). Past tense.
"dt" is described as an unaspirated (no puff of air)"t" sound as in the word "hotmail" where the "t" loses its trailing hiss of air, replaced by a brief stop of the sound, as there is not time to make that hiss sound before moving on to the next syllable. This makes it a bit similar to a "the" but missing the initial hum before main sound.
Yes, I am having formal Thai Language lessons. No, I will not mention my school. Search the internet.
[quote=maa paa; 1168276]anything wrong here with germans or german language?
maa paa[/quote]nothing at all. its not the language, its only the way the speaker uses it. i tend to hear much more loud and ugly speech from certain tourists from england, although obviously, some other languages i wouldn't understand at all. guess we just have to accept the english culture makes "fucking c*nts" common speech.
deutsch is purely a more difficult language to learn due to complex grammar. also, i still can't pronounce "sprichst du deutsch?" without a struggle. thai language is much easier than deutsch due to excessively simple thai grammar and few consonants in a row. keep learning thai. its worth it meet and have fun with thai girls that have very basic english or none.
be careful about picking up impolite thai words from bargirls. big danger! many thai words you hear, cannot be used safely. many farangs are thought to be very obnoxious because they so use many thai swear words. mostly they just don't know they have picked up very ugly ways to say something from bar girls.
[QUOTE=Stakeout;1167127]If you want to ask a mamasan which of the girls are shaven, or ask a girl if she is shaven, how do you ask this in Thai?[/QUOTE]I BF a 20 year old that was completely bald, it was OK. I really don't know if I like bald or with hair. I think in my life the 20 year old and another were the only bald people I've been with.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1168306]The whole Melting Pot thing was just some late 18th century fairytale bullshit. These days the theory has been revamped and is taught with the country being compared to a Salad Bowl. In a Salad Bowl various distinct ingredients compose the overall dish. They do touch and interact, but do not blend together to form something that no longer leaves the orignal ingredients indistinguishable. For the most part when a salad is complete you can still pick out the cucumbers, tomatoes, and chesse and recognize it as such. In a melting pot everything is jumbled in and the finished product is something that totally different and the individual ingredients are not recognizable. The USA has never been such a thing.[/QUOTE]Makes a lot of sense and seems a good way to explain it.
Probably the first immigrant thoughts being in a melting pot as quite many nationalities arrived (unusual for other countries) , but was jast a salad bowl and continued like that
When you take it as a whole it is a 'salad' (= american) , but there is no real blending / melting of the ingredients (=different orginal nationalities) as you said.
Chapeau!
[QUOTE=Stl Danish; 1168164]LBM. True true, on the not needing a passport!
As far as that other statement about Canada / Mexico being like going from SF to LA.
Going to Mexico (real Mexico, not touristy-Cancun or whatever) is night and day from the United States, heh. Canada I think you can make that argument safely, if you're willing to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a few Canadians in the process. They're not very fond of the whole "51st state" concept, and if you watched the aftermath of the hockey playoffs last week you know what happens when you make them mad! [/QUOTE]Some of us still hold a grudge. The family landed in Boston area from Bedfordshire in 1630 in what was then British North America. Later settled in East Greenwich, R. I. Then Vermont. Had run ins with the domestic terrorists of the time led by Ethan Allan in the early 1780's. Decided to head north but fully intend on taking back which was ours. Just like the Mex are doing.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1168318]"yar yoot" (yaa yut. Depends how you want to spell it) simply means "don't stop!". So that is the best one here.
"mai dtong yud" is okay but means "its not necessary to stop", the other subtle variations are not as good even though will be probably understood."harm yoot" is too formal and would be found on a traffic sign "stopping is forbidden"."mai dai yud" really means "I didn't stop" (or "didn't get to stop"). Past tense.
"dt" is described as an unaspirated (no puff of air)"t" sound as in the word "hotmail" where the "t" loses its trailing hiss of air, replaced by a brief stop of the sound, as there is not time to make that hiss sound before moving on to the next syllable. This makes it a bit similar to a "the" but missing the initial hum before main sound.
Yes, I am having formal Thai Language lessons. No, I will not mention my school. Search the internet. [/QUOTE]Totally agree with you about this. Sorry not to mention "yar yut".
Yes, I also attented several Thai language classes. No, I will not ask you for the name of the school. No, I will not search the net. Why should I?
Maa Paa