Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1413291]1. GFE is a purely marketing. It is so overused its sickening. A guy picks a girl off the streets for 700 baht and says she gave GFE, all she gave was sex for money. Guy never says anything about repeating.

2. GFE is used by guys to stroke their massive egos. Real bf gf exp is usually awkard at first meeting, it takes time to have feelings for each other. At least 3 sessions. LOL. Then maybe GFE starts to come into play-when you willing to spend money![/QUOTE]Sure GFE is an over used acronym. Most SW don't offer a true GFE. Of course, after you've been with the same lady a few times you might develop some sort of relationship with the girl that is a bit like having a girl friend, but I would not call this a true GFE. And most of us know what drives these relationships and the likely outcome.

A true GFE is a fantasy. An accomplished high end escort can offer this kind of experience because she is a skilled illusionist. She acts like your girlfriend; she makes you feel like you're her boyfriend; but neither is the case. She doesn't think for a second that she is your girlfriend; and you're a fool if you think you're her boyfriend. If you want a girlfriend why are you with a SW? Get a real girlfriend so you can experience the real deal, including the demands, drama, commitment and constraints.

I've had engagements with quality escorts who from the moment I meet them made me feel like I was their boyfriend. They were beautiful, intelligent and charming, as well as wild and passionate as the situation called for. Sure, I like them. They like me. I'm happy to see them again. They're happy to see me again. I look forward to a good time. They look forward to a good time and getting paid. We have a good business relationship that leaves both parties satisfied.

Frankly, most of the time this is not what I'm looking for. I just want to fuck. A reasonably priced attractive young girl who knows what to do, how to do it and is prepared to offer what I want at that time is what I'm looking for. I could care less about a GFE.

If a true GFE is what your after, high end escorts who are not unlike the 16th Century cortigiana onesta are still around. You just have to know which ones are real, be prepared to pay the freight and know how to act your part in the play.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1413365]Golf or (Gof) at Tulip is your best bet. Unfortunately big and fit are not usually found together in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I second that. Gob has the best ass and body. Asslover945 has had her as I tried her based on his recomendation.

I like the squirt and would like to find in Bangkok an explosive squirting girl.

Anyone has experience and could give some good place and girls to see?

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1413518]Sure GFE is an over used acronym. Most SW don't offer a true GFE. Of course, after you've been with the same lady a few times you might develop some sort of relationship with the girl that is a bit like having a girl friend, but I would not call this a true GFE. And most of us know what drives these relationships and the likely outcome.

A true GFE is a fantasy. An accomplished high end escort can offer this kind of experience because she is a skilled illusionist. She acts like your girlfriend; she makes you feel like you're her boyfriend; but neither is the case. She doesn't think for a second that she is your girlfriend; and you're a fool if you think you're her boyfriend. If you want a girlfriend why are you with a SW? Get a real girlfriend so you can experience the real deal, including the demands, drama, commitment and constraints.

I've had engagements with quality escorts who from the moment I meet them made me feel like I was their boyfriend. They were beautiful, intelligent and charming, as well as wild and passionate as the situation called for. Sure, I like them. They like me. I'm happy to see them again. They're happy to see me again. I look forward to a good time. They look forward to a good time and getting paid. We have a good business relationship that leaves both parties satisfied.

Frankly, most of the time this is not what I'm looking for. I just want to fuck. A reasonably priced attractive young girl who knows what to do, how to do it and is prepared to offer what I want at that time is what I'm looking for. I could care less about a GFE.

If a true GFE is what your after, high end escorts who are not unlike the 16th Century cortigiana onesta are still around. You just have to know which ones are real, be prepared to pay the freight and know how to act your part in the play.[/QUOTE]Great.

So why don't you tell us what a GFE is.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1413797]Great.

So why don't you tell us what a GFE is.[/QUOTE]Qte: A true GFE is a fantasy. An accomplished high end escort can offer this kind of experience because she is a skilled illusionist. She acts like your girlfriend;

She makes you feel like you're her boyfriend; but neither is the case. She doesn't think for a second that she is your girlfriend; and you're a fool if you

Think you're her boyfriend. Unqte

I think he made a great stab at saying what he thought it was. Why question his opinion since he has already given it?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1413797]Great.

So why don't you tell us what a GFE is.[/QUOTE]I thought I did. To make it clearer, I'll do some editing, highlight key words and explain who the cortigiana onesta were.

[I][B]A true GFE is a fantasy[/B]. An accomplished high end escort can offer this kind of experience because she is a [B]skilled illusionist[/B]. [B]She acts like your girlfriend; she makes you feel like you're her boyfriend; but neither is the case. [/B]She doesn't think for a second that she is your girlfriend; and you're a fool if you think you're her boyfriend.

I've had engagements with quality escorts who [B]from the moment I meet them made me feel like I was their boyfriend. They were beautiful, intelligent and charming, as well as wild and passionate as the situation called for. [/B] Sure, I like them. They like me. I'm happy to see them again. They're happy to see me again. I look forward to a good time. They look forward to a good time and getting paid. We have a good business relationship that leaves both parties satisfied.

[B]high end escorts who are not unlike the 16th Century cortigiana onesta[/B][/I]

Cortigiane oneste were elite courtesans who were well-educated, worldly women. In addition to their beauty, their success was based on their social and conversational skills, education and intelligence. They were capable of discussing topics such as philosophy, the arts and politics. These qualities set them apart from typical upper class women. Unlike the average prostitute, sex was only one part of what they offered. The powerful, wealthy men who sought their companionship often used them as trusted confidants and advisers on personal matters.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1413518]Sure GFE is an over used acronym. Most SW don't offer a true GFE. Of course, after you've been with the same lady a few times you might develop some sort of relationship with the girl that is a bit like having a girl friend, but I would not call this a true GFE. And most of us know what drives these relationships and the likely outcome.[/QUOTE]Erm, as I recall the generally agreed upon mongering definitions are:

GFE = BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG.

GFE++ = GFE with extras (like CIM, swallow, greek)

PSE = BBFS, BBG, RIMMING, COF Etc.

The emotional / romantic component of mongering people sometimes refer to as GFE I notice is common and easy / quickly achieved in PI where girls are warm and loving and many seem (to me at least) to be genuinely interested in finding a boyfriend as opposed to BKK where the girls seem (to me at least) to be much more businesslike.

Perhaps the PI girls are better actresses but I think it may have more to do with their culture and religion. My experience in PI is instantly and easily having "girlfriends" everywhere with all the jealousy that entails and receiving multiple marriage proposals per week. My experience in Thailand is tons of fun no strings sex, with no emotional involvement on my part or theirs.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1413803]Qte: A true GFE is a fantasy. An accomplished high end escort can offer this kind of experience because she is a skilled illusionist. She acts like your girlfriend;

She makes you feel like you're her boyfriend; but neither is the case. She doesn't think for a second that she is your girlfriend; and you're a fool if you

Think you're her boyfriend. Unqte

I think he made a great stab at saying what he thought it was. Why question his opinion since he has already given it?[/QUOTE]HAHA.

We are on a p4p sex site, right?

Maybe to you I guess.

It really tells me nothing.

Maybe a GFE mongering experience is a fantasy to you and him. Because the two of you have never had one?

GFE on these sites is a specific service oriented description.

GFE means specific services that can vary. BJ, kissing, etc, etc.

It is not a fantasy to me because I get great GFE all the time.

But I can understand if you have never had a great GF or you rely on escorts. Too bad really.

Chipping in on the GFE issue.

GFE is not purely a service matter, it's a matter of chemistry between a girl and a punter.

For the customer, GFE involves what movie critics call a "willing suspension of disbelief". It is perfectly clear to everyone but a complete idiot that he's paying for it, and that he wouldn't shag a genuine GF (20 years younger) within 10 minutes of meeting her. However, the punter can still feel like he's in a brief relationship with a girl who is glad to be there and happy to be shagging him. Like watching a movie, it's obviously not real, but we still get into the story (except for the ultra-cynical ones).

GFE may be difficult to define, but it's painfully easy to spot the opposite. When the girl makes it obvious that she hates being there, is just renting a hole for a specific act and would much rather just grab your money and be out ASAP.

The girl can try to provide the GFE along by acting as if she's happy to be there with the punter. But it's not a set of specific sexual acts. It's ultimately up to the punter to judge a GFE. Exact same behavior can be GFE for one bloke, but "fine effort, but so fake" for another.

Whether service is GFE can depend on the girls and punter's mood. For instance, with Ploy from Snow White a few times, once it was GFE, the other time it was not. And I don't think she was failing to make an effort that second time (probably provided _more_ in terms of physical service) , but was probably just tired, and so was I.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1413865]HAHA.

We are on a p4p sex site, right?

Maybe to you I guess.

It really tells me nothing.

Maybe a GFE mongering experience is a fantasy to you and him. Because the two of you have never had one?

GFE on these sites is a specific service oriented description.

GFE means specific services that can vary. BJ, kissing, etc, etc.

It is not a fantasy to me because I get great GFE all the time.

But I can understand if you have never had a great GF or you rely on escorts. Too bad really.[/QUOTE]Luvpuss Qte So why don't you tell us what a GFE is. Unqte.

He did. Very specifically tell us what he thought a GFE was. Why expect him to add to his already clear statement of his (excellent) post. It is fantasy.

You appear to be in a much better position to describe in incredibly boring detail what GFE is to you . But you don't. You wander around with a lot of.

Etc, etc. You claim to get GFE all the time.

So tell us about it.

Lovpuss Qte. I can understand if you have never had a great GF or you rely on escorts. Too bad really. Unqte.

A real example of fantasy since (I) I have had many GFE experiences and (ii) I have GFE experiences with GFs (amazing init) and with escorts

(and in MPs if you consider these not to be escorts)

Please do not attribute things to me on a groundless basis.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1413865]GFE means specific services that can vary. BJ, kissing, etc, etc.

It is not a fantasy to me because I get great GFE all the time.

But I can understand if you have never had a great GF or you rely on escorts. Too bad really.[/QUOTE][I]Specific services that can vary. [/I] What does this mean? Let's see, the definition of specific is,"[I]Explicitly set forth; definite. [/I]" The definition of vary is,"[I]To make or cause changes in the characteristics or attributes of; modify or alter. [/I]" So are you saying a GFE consists of explicit services that are modified or altered? Not a good start to a clear definition.

The girl gives you a BJ? So you don't get a BJ from a girl who provides PSE? I've rarely had sex with a SW who didn't provide a BJ, usually a BBBJ. Kissing? I presume you mean DFK and not a peck on the lips. So if the girl kisses you she's providing a GFE? She sucks my cock and sticks her tongue in my mouth so that's a GFE. I think that leaves out a lot.

The GFE is not a fantasy? So you think she's really your girlfriend? My dear man, it is an illusion; it's an act on her part; and it better be an act on your part. Of course plenty of mongers don't understand it's an act on the girls part and get taken to the cleaners by their SW GF. For that matter plenty of trusting men get taken to the cleaners by their ex-wives. So I shouldn't pick on the SW, they're just being women. I know that an overly broad stereotypical swipe.

You seem to imply that there is an intensional definition (yes, that is the correct spelling) of GFE. That is, there is an explicit list of properties that are the necessary and sufficient conditions of a GFE. So let me build on something I wrote above: the girl puts my penis in her mouth and sucks on it; she rubs her lips against my lips while we insert our tongues into each other's mouths; she lets me put my penis in her vagina; therefore she provides a GFE. That doesn't seem to capture the experience. You treat the GFE as though it is an analytic a priori proposition. It is not. It is a synthetic a posteriori proposition, at least if you're Kantian. And I know that philosophers and logicians who have thought about meaning have done a lot in this field since Kant wrote [I]Critique of Pure Reasoning[/I]. You seem to intuitively understand this issue because you write,"It is not a fantasy to me because I get great GFE all the time." I think you're trying to convey that your understanding of a GFE is experientially based. You've had real girl friends in the past and recognize some SW are able to have sex with you in a like manner. Apparently you know how to turn on a woman, elevate her passions to a fever pitch and have a mutually delightful carnal experience.

I just wish you didn't feel compelled to ridicule other men, specifically men who patronize escorts. Now you and I have gone down this road before. High end escorts have a level of beauty, charm, intelligence, sophistication and sexual skills you will not find in an ordinary SW; or for that matter in the vast majority of women. This is a simple fact. Denying this fact is either ignorant, stupid or both. These ladies are rare and exceptional. The best of the best have been the subjects of biographies and historical books: Lais of Hyccara, Su Xiaoxiao, Theodora (wife of Emperor Justinian I) , Françoise de Foix, Veronica Franco, to name a few. Generally, high end escorts are adept at providing a true GFE, but there is much more to it than the kissing and the sucking and the fucking. To do it right requires beauty, intelligence, knowledge and skill, and is beyond the capability of the average SW.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1413887]Chipping in on the GFE issue.

GFE is not purely a service matter, it's a matter of chemistry between a girl and a punter.

For the customer, GFE involves what movie critics call a "willing suspension of disbelief". It is perfectly clear to everyone but a complete idiot that he's paying for it, and that he wouldn't shag a genuine GF (20 years younger) within 10 minutes of meeting her. However, the punter can still feel like he's in a brief relationship with a girl who is glad to be there and happy to be shagging him. Like watching a movie, it's obviously not real, but we still get into the story (except for the ultra-cynical ones).

GFE may be difficult to define, but it's painfully easy to spot the opposite. When the girl makes it obvious that she hates being there, is just renting a hole for a specific act and would much rather just grab your money and be out ASAP.

The girl can try to provide the GFE along by acting as if she's happy to be there with the punter. But it's not a set of specific sexual acts. It's ultimately up to the punter to judge a GFE. Exact same behavior can be GFE for one bloke, but "fine effort, but so fake" for another.

Whether service is GFE can depend on the girls and punter's mood. For instance, with Ploy from Snow White a few times, once it was GFE, the other time it was not. And I don't think she was failing to make an effort that second time (probably provided _more_ in terms of physical service) , but was probably just tired, and so was I.[/QUOTE]I understand you, but that is not what this is about.

EZ Massage and many other MP's, soapies, etc, advertise GFE. They are the ones who are saying it. They are referring to their services. It is pretty simple I think.

So I asked, what is their GFE? Don't you want to know?

I know what I think it is. But if they advertise GFE, they should be able to explain it.
Also, you are wrong. In their Ads, they are referring to specific sex acts, not some type of feeling or relationship.

So all I wanted to know is what those GFE services are.

But really, I don't give a shit because I have no interest in EZ.

Have a nice day.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1414036]But really, I don't give a shit because I have no interest in EZ.[/QUOTE]Why is that? Have you been disappointed? I think the girls look great in the pics at their website.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1414036]I understand you, but that is not what this is about. But if they advertise GFE, they should be able to explain it.

Have a nice day.[/QUOTE]They offer what the people is asking for. As GFE can be different from guy to guy, and I agree it has a lot to do with the chemistry and this cannot be anticipated in a menu list, they will nto describe it.

Maybe people think a DFK is GFE enough, plus some cuddling.

In P4P it is always the same story. When you ask the girl what's her name, some might reply "call me the name you like". Meaning I am here to please you and I do what you want and you can chose for me the name you prefer, if that makes you happier.