Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=SixZeroThree;2635059]Long time lurker in these forums, but after reading some well written reports from other new members, I figured I would also make some contributions. I have been in Bangkok for about a week now so I'd like to offer some "boots on the ground" reports from my first day back in the land of smiles.

[B]Kasalong[/B]

This was my first stop of this trip. Stopped by around 2 pm on a weekend. No girls sitting outside but the door was open, so I stepped inside to see what was going on. Only 2 girls available and both were average looking (I'd say 5/10 if you asked me to assign a rating). I have been to Kasalong a few times over the last few years and have often found it to be staffed with mostly older and overweight women, so it was actually a pleasant surprise, but I'll admit the bar has been set very low from my past visits. Normally I probably would have walked out and gone elsewhere to find better looking talent, but it had been over a week since I had last cum and I was in need of some release, so I agreed and she took me upstairs to give me the usual wash at one of the sinks in the rooms. She started off the blowjob by using a generous amount of lube on my balls and dick and giving my balls a lot of attention for the first 5-10 minutes. Then, she started slowly sucking and stroking from tip to end, and with the generous amount of lube mixed with her spit, it felt great. I was initially a bit worried about cumming too fast because it has been some time since I had gotten a blowjob from a pro, but those fears turned out to be unfounded as I was able to survive another 30 minutes of her sloppy slurping and stroking. I warned her as I was about to cum, but I don't think she expected me to cum THAT much (it surprised me too). I watched as she drained my balls for nearly 10 seconds and she was struggling to contain all my cum in her mouth. One last "squirt" must have hit her in the back of the throat, because it made her gag and somehow her immediate reaction was to swallow it all instead of spitting it out. Good on her for not making a mess all over the floor. She looked somewhere between annoyed and amused and she playfully smacked my leg before washing me off and sending me on my way. Would I return? Maybe if I'm in the area, but Kasalong usually isn't my first choice anyway.

[B]Duangporn's Haven[/B]

A few hours after my Kasalong visit, I was near Asok and wanted to see if Duangporn's Haven was still around as I have some fond memories of Som's Haven and even Duangporn's Haven pre-COVID. 10-12 girls sitting outside which caught me off guard as I had expected a skeleton crew based on what I saw at Kasalong. I was overwhelmed with choice so just went with the girl who seemed most enthusiastic about spending the next half hour on her knees. Tight, slim body (7/10) and a bit below average face (3/10), but she had really plump lips. After the pre-ritual wash, she began the blowjob with a generous amount of lube. Since when did this start becoming a common thing? I can't recall the last time I went to a BJ bar in Thailand and the girls started with lube. Maybe a coincidence. I'm not complaining because she gave me one of the sloppiest and messy blowjobs I've ever received. She definitely knows she has great DSL, because she spent a lot of time running her lips up and down my shaft, making sure every bit of my dick was covered in her saliva. After about 20 minutes, I still hadn't cum, and I was about to run late for a dinner appointment, so I asked her to finish me off. 5 minutes of her thick lips focused on the tip and her hands making long strokes up and down my shaft did the trick. Tipped her 200 thb for the great service. I would definitely consider returning for her.

[B]Analisa Massage[/B]

After dinner, I wanted to check out other members' reports of Soi Cowboy being semi-open, in that there are girls standing outside a few bars with customers mingling. Baccara was definitely the most active with a handful of girls standing outside and chatting with potential customers. I have visited Baccara many times in the past and found the current pickings to be a bit underwhelming compared to what I've seen in the past, which isn't too surprising. Maybe 2 or 3 more bars were open in a similar fashion, but I'd say 80% of Soi Cowboy is still lights out. Will check out Nana Plaza in a few days and report my findings there. I ended up walking to Nana and decided to check out Analisa Massage on a whim and there were 4 or so girls sitting outside. The mamasan talked me into a 4 hand massage with Poppy and an older woman whose name I can't remember (I'm terrible with names). This was a new experience for me as they took me into a room with a table that had a "glory hole" cutout for your dick and balls. They both playfully asked me how many shots I wanted, so I challenged them to try for two as I had already had my fair share of fun earlier in the day. They had me lie down initially and a fully nude Poppy was able to get my first shot off with a very oily handjob through the glory hole. She took extra care to make sure all of my cum landed on her chest. After the first shot (and third shot of the day), I was exhausted and ready to call it quits, but they talked me into a second shot and to try the prostate massage, which I have never done before. It only took me about 5 seconds to come to the conclusion that I'm not a big prostate massage fan, so I asked them to stop. They ultimately finished me off with another oily handjob, with Poppy spending a lot of time licking my nipples and kissing my chest. There was no way I was going to manage a third shot with them, so I took a quick shower but had a difficult time getting the oil off my body, so I gave up and decided I'd give myself a deep scrub at home. There were a few guys waiting downstairs as I made my way out, so it seems like Analisa has managed to stay relatively busy.

I plan to revisit all the other popular shops over the course of my stay here. If anyone wants me to check out any specific shops they're curious about just let me know and I'll see if I can take a quick peek if I'm in the area.[/QUOTE]Now this is some great intel. Thanks for this.

You know if Lolitas is open or not? That is the place where I have gotten volcanic inducing BBBJs.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2635145]Harry walks into a bar and asks the owner how much is a bottle of your beer. The owner answers 200 baht. Harry says I know a bar across town that sells better beerr than that for 100 baht and proceeds to show pictures of the other bar not just to the owner but to everybody else in the bar. The tombstone up on Busybodies Hill reads Here Lies Harry Who Walked Into The Wrong Bar and Couldn't Keep His Mouth Shut.[/QUOTE]Or the bar owner who actually has a brain and wants to remain competitive and make money says I'll match their prices. Eventually everyone will find out that the bar down the street is selling beer at a better price and if he doesn't match those prices his business is done.

And truthfully it's not like we're talking about gals charging a few hundred baht more, it's double price. And it's a very appropriate wake up call for them to see it. I really have no idea why people are defending them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2635429]Or the bar owner who actually has a brain and wants to remain competitive and make money says I'll match their prices. Eventually everyone will find out that the bar down the street is selling beer at a better price and if he doesn't match those prices his business is done.

And truthfully it's not like we're talking about gals charging a few hundred baht more, it's double price. And it's a very appropriate wake up call for them to see it. I really have no idea why people are defending them.[/QUOTE]Do you really think you can change anything in Thailand?

Everyday I wake up in Bangkok, I prepare myself mentally to see some really mind numbing dumb shit, and when I do, I simply walk way without saying anything.

As I am walking away, I peacefully think that I am in a place where I can girls way hotter and younger at my rapidly aging 40 years of age than compared to what I can get in my wealthly but boring home country.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2635429]Or the bar owner who actually has a brain and wants to remain competitive and make money says I'll match their prices. Eventually everyone will find out that the bar down the street is selling beer at a better price and if he doesn't match those prices his business is done.

And truthfully it's not like we're talking about gals charging a few hundred baht more, it's double price. And it's a very appropriate wake up call for them to see it. I really have no idea why people are defending them.[/QUOTE]You must be new to Thailand. Logic is absent from basically all small Thai businesses. TIT (this is Thailand).

You are dreaming if you think nana area bars will suddenly lower their prices because of fiwfans. By that logic they could also raise their prices to that of Thai brothels / soapies which charge 3500-15000 for a 90 min session. You're comparing apples to oranges. Yes both are fruit, but they are quite different. And asking girls to lower their prices by half after months of not working is never going to fly, prices will not change but you can run into trouble. Why even go out to nana and ruin your night by doing this?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2635429]Or the bar owner who actually has a brain and wants to remain competitive and make money says I'll match their prices. Eventually everyone will find out that the bar down the street is selling beer at a better price and if he doesn't match those prices his business is done..[/QUOTE]My latte costs 105 Baht in Starbucks and 50 Baht in Amazon. Last time I looked Starbucks were hardly what you would call "done" and no its not just down to the quality of the coffee or the amenities. These are marginal, the simple reality is they charge what they do because they can.

Believing somebody drinking in a bar with working girls starts showing to all and sundry pics of girls elsewhere with lower prices is my humble opinion not to be seen as a crusader but as a trouble maker who could easily get himself into real trouble.

That said after spending 600 baht on drinks for her, asking 3000 more especially accompanied with a time limit of one hour would piss anybody off but as noted by most members if you don't like the price you wisely move on.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2635429]Or the bar owner who actually has a brain and wants to remain competitive and make money says I'll match their prices. Eventually everyone will find out that the bar down the street is selling beer at a better price and if he doesn't match those prices his business is done.

And truthfully it's not like we're talking about gals charging a few hundred baht more, it's double price. And it's a very appropriate wake up call for them to see it. I really have no idea why people are defending them.[/QUOTE]I would fully agree with you if the only difference was price. But I don't believe a P4P experience between me and any 2 girls in the same bar is exactly the same except price, much less between me and girls in different venues and working in different P4P options.

If we're not just introducing girls to lower price competition by showing them those sites but at the same time we are introducing them to systems that operate just fine while demanding full payment upfront, a 1,000+ baht cancelation fee if the girl who shows up at the door or in the room is 10 years older and 6 kilos heavier than her photos and profile suggest, where DFK, BBBJ as mere foreplay and other important services might not be listed on some profiles, where no way is BBFS with or without CIP allowed and any other factors that are never good for the customer, then whatever might be gained by convincing them to lower their price is more than offset by the downsides of what you've taught them.

To add my usual personal criteria to the analogy, if the cost of a bottle of booze in one venue included a glass, a bucket of ice, I could pour as much of the contents as I wanted over as much ice as I chose, could drink it directly from the glass without a filter and pay after I am satisfied with what I got, I would be fine with paying twice as much for it in that venue and from that barkeep than down the street where I have learned I can only lick the outside of the bottle, never uncork it without an extended debate and discussion about it and even then the barkeep has no intention of being particularly pleasant or helpful about finding a glass or ice for me since I likely paid in full before entering the bar anyway.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2635429]Or the bar owner who actually has a brain and wants to remain competitive and make money says I'll match their prices. Eventually everyone will find out that the bar down the street is selling beer at a better price and if he doesn't match those prices his business is done.

And truthfully it's not like we're talking about gals charging a few hundred baht more, it's double price. And it's a very appropriate wake up call for them to see it. I really have no idea why people are defending them.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right. Overpriced bars, overpriced girls, anything overpriced, will ultimately lose business and shutdown (maybe after short term gains, more due to ignorance and impatience of customers), unless they offer something substantial in quality, which others don't. That's how it works. In the current situation, more so, when inventory is high and demand is none to low. Laws of economics is no different in Thailand. If girls think lesser customers means higher rates to balance income, they will realize the stupidity when they go home empty handed, and after 3 days rent is due and food stocks are dry, specially when they have come back from provinces with empty purse!!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2635448]Do you really think you can change anything in Thailand?

Everyday I wake up in Bangkok, I prepare myself mentally to see some really mind numbing dumb shit, and when I do, I simply walk way without saying anything.

As I am walking away, I peacefully think that I am in a place where I can girls way hotter and younger at my rapidly aging 40 years of age than compared to what I can get in my wealthly but boring home country.[/QUOTE]The market for the local dudes has certainly changed. Thai guys or paying quite a bit more pre-covid at pretty massage parlors and through VIP agents are now paying 1,000 to 1300. So yes it has definitely changed. And I'll be willing to bet it'll be a very long time before they accept high prices again. And it will be a very long time before these gals are able to play their trade overseas.

Thailand is one of the most dynamic places I have ever been. It's constantly changing. In the longer I'm here in some ways it makes a lot more sense than the nonsense back in my home country in the West. But truth be told what our experience is and what costs are in our home country should have absolutely no bearing on what we are willing to pay here and what our experiences are here.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2635419]Now this is some great intel. Thanks for this.

You know if Lolitas is open or not? That is the place where I have gotten volcanic inducing BBBJs.[/QUOTE]I'm not fully sure. I've walked past it a few times and some days, the door is open, and some days, the door is closed. I've never seen any girls sitting outside, but I'm assuming there's a skeleton crew inside on days the door is open. It's the same thing with Kasalong. Both places have their lights off with nobody outside, but I'm assuming the door open is an invitation to enter based on my experience with Kasalong this past week. I haven't stepped inside Lolitas yet but will try stepping inside later this week.

I also stopped by Wood Bar a few times during the day but didn't go inside. Some days, there's just 1 or 2 girls sitting outside. Most I saw was 5 girls sitting outside. Wasn't too impressed by what I saw, so went to Duangporn's again. Duangporn's seems to have the most girls available, even during the day. Never saw a crew of less than 10 outside.

Day 1, returned from Pattaya, checked into the Hilton Sukhumvit. Not a great hotel imo, a bit out of the way compared to some of the other 5 stars on Sukhumvit, old rooms and facilities, and they also seem to be doing some sort of renovation which is noisy as hell. Went to the Pulse clinic at Phrom Phong to get my required covid test to return to the states, which was just over 3 k. Had an independent Fiwfans girl from previous reports coming over for overnight as well. She took her self off of the Fiwfans site since she was taking a break, but agreed to see me before I went back to the States. Dinner followed by and another marathon overnight session, I was exhausted but she was a real trooper draining me until she was happy. Damage was 10 k which is her listed overnight rate on Fiwfans.

Day 2, slept til the afternoon, then had a girl from past trips who's since stopped escorting planned for the night. We went out to dinner and rooftop bar at Marriott BKK, then back to the hotel for BBFS CIP until the morning. No price was discussed but I left her 10 k in her purse as usual. On another note, there were barely any masks at the Octave rooftop bar, and it was absolutely packed. Not worried myself but maybe not the best idea if your companion isn't vaxxed.

Day 3, few more rounds with the girl from the previous night. She ended up staying with me until I checked out, and drove me to the airport after we had lunch which was real sweet of her. Lounges at BKK were actually open with showers available, so a late checkout might be better than an additional night for those with a late flight out.

Overall, the 2 week trip was mediocre. Bangkok exceeded my expectations given that bars were mostly closed, but Pattaya was more or less a bust. Hotel deals are pretty great right now, but I don't expect those to remain unless Omicron goes off the rails. I was able to lean upon some past contacts to replace the lack of bars. I was also able to more or less figure out Sidelines, it's definitely not as great for vetting the girl before hand, but I have not been burned yet, and have even made some new contacts I plan on maintaining for future trips. On the PG side of things, Thailand is actually quite nice without the massive Chinese tour groups, and many of the usually packed attractions are very enjoyable right now. Depending how Omicron goes, and how Brazil is, I may plan another trip for early summer 2022.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2635562]
Depending how Omicron goes, and how Brazil is, I may plan another trip for early summer 2022.[/QUOTE]Whoa. Feels sad when someone is leaving.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2635448]Everyday I wake up in Bangkok, I prepare myself mentally to see some really mind numbing dumb shit, and when I do, I simply walk way without saying anything.[/QUOTE]I have a camera and all that mind numbing shit is fodder. Everywhere in the country. Its a stoners paradise. Wow, look at that, dude! Click click.

At age 69, firm tight cute unwrinkled 18-21 year olds are a bonus to the mind numbing dumb, crazy and weird shit. My motto: smile, agree, be happy and jai dee, its only $X and if you're in Thailand, say wow dude I'm lucky, look what my wrinkly old ass is banging!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2635518]The market for the local dudes has certainly changed. Thai guys or paying quite a bit more pre-covid at pretty massage parlors and through VIP agents are now paying 1,000 to 1300. So yes it has definitely changed. And I'll be willing to bet it'll be a very long time before they accept high prices again. And it will be a very long time before these gals are able to play their trade overseas.

Thailand is one of the most dynamic places I have ever been. It's constantly changing. In the longer I'm here in some ways it makes a lot more sense than the nonsense back in my home country in the West. But truth be told what our experience is and what costs are in our home country should have absolutely no bearing on what we are willing to pay here and what our experiences are here.[/QUOTE]I agree with this and will add that I have recently discovered in 2021 that Thailand and SE Asia is not the only place in the world with sexy girls and viable nightlife. I get it; some guys prefer Thai girls and place a premium on them as well as the totally open and transparent Thai nightlife scene, but for those of us who are amenable to checking out other places it comes down to cost and quality and where we can find the best sex with quality girls in exchange for our hard-earned money. Unfortunately, because I still like Thai girls a lot and used to like the pre-Covid Thai nightlife here too, I do not believe LOS is number 1 any more competitively speaking. Take for example BKK or Pattaya: 3 thousand for an average looking Go Go girl, plus the barfine (700 to 1500 bht), plus drinks, and sometimes iffy sex: this is not a bargain IMHO.

So if anything, Covid and the Thai closure has opened my eyes to the possibilities outside of SE Asia and I have been having a great time in South America this year. It is going to be interesting when I eventually return to LOS in late 2022,2023, 2024 or whenever. I am not going to be in the mood to accept inferior performance at inflated Thai tourist prices. If others won't accept the pre-Covid status quo either, we might see things actually get better, ha ha, but I doubt it.

I posted an inquiry a few weeks ago about Lolita's. I was told by a friend and fellow ex-Pat currently in Bangkok that the owner of Lolita's committed suicide recently. Since this well known den of iniquity is mentioned frequently on these pages, I was attempting to find further information but no one responded at the time. I have seen a few reports on Kasalong, located just around the corner, and apparently they are sometimes open. Every once in a while, I would see a gem at Lolita's while walking by as I used to live on Soi 8 and would occasionally partake so a pity if it's gone forever.

[QUOTE=SixZeroThree;2635553]I'm not fully sure. I've walked past it a few times and some days, the door is open, and some days, the door is closed. I've never seen any girls sitting outside, but I'm assuming there's a skeleton crew inside on days the door is open. It's the same thing with Kasalong. Both places have their lights off with nobody outside, but I'm assuming the door open is an invitation to enter based on my experience with Kasalong this past week. I haven't stepped inside Lolitas yet but will try stepping inside later this week.

I also stopped by Wood Bar a few times during the day but didn't go inside. Some days, there's just 1 or 2 girls sitting outside. Most I saw was 5 girls sitting outside. Wasn't too impressed by what I saw, so went to Duangporn's again. Duangporn's seems to have the most girls available, even during the day. Never saw a crew of less than 10 outside.[/QUOTE]

Hello everyone,

I've been following this thread religiously for the past few weeks ever since I had a work trip to Bangkok come up on my itinerary. But reading this thread has made me think about cancelling the trip all together especially with how the situation in Bangkok is. Seems like the nightlife there is dead? Is this correct? A lot of the massage parlors and soapy massage places and gogo bars also? Do you guys think the situation might improve by the middle of January? Would a trip to Bangkok around that time be worth it? And which hotel would you guys recommend the Sheraton grande in sukhvimit or the JW Marriot by Nana plaza. Your help would be greatly appreciated. And if someone is down for a beer when I'm there I'll gladly pay for it. See.

[QUOTE=ArisCasa;2635480]You are absolutely right. Overpriced bars, overpriced girls, anything overpriced, will ultimately lose business and shutdown (maybe after short term gains, more due to ignorance and impatience of customers), unless they offer something substantial in quality, which others don't. That's how it works. In the current situation, more so, when inventory is high and demand is none to low. [b]Laws of economics is no different in Thailand. If girls think lesser customers means higher rates to balance income, they will realize the stupidity when they go home empty handed, and after 3 days rent is due and food stocks are dry, specially when they have come back from provinces with empty purse!![/b][/QUOTE](the highlights are mine).

That last part is exactly what many if not most of the girls did during the past 20 months of supposedly dire economic circumstances, perhaps the most dire economic circumstances of their liketimes.

And you know what? It didn't seem to faze or truly bother them in the least. LOL.

Seriously. When some of the best P4 P girls I knew pre-Covid returned to Bangkok from the provinces to check things out after giving up and abandoning the job months if not almost two years ago just as you described, they looked and behaved better than ever. Perfect hairstyles, fit and healthy bodies, new clothes, zero evidence of having to sleep on the streets or going longer than 2 hours without a meal.

In fact, it was the same with the few girls who stayed in Bangkok and for all this time apparently did not significantly reduce their quotes or up their game in the room.

Oh, I would get the Line messages from them whining about there not being any customers around and how they were 2 weeks past due on rent. But, somehow, miraculously, every one of the girls who either stayed in Bangkok or retreated to their provinces with empty purses survived all of it just fine and dandy.

Here is the ugly truth about the Thai P4 P scene that was just as true all through this Covid period as it was pre-Covid; Thai prostitutes are not poor. That is, they are not poor in the way we imagine poor girls working the streets and taking any customer for any price and willing to do anything for it. Nope. Not here.

Yes, yes, I am sure there is an exception or two somewhere down some dark street. But the vast majority of Thai P4P girls you and I would ever encounter are not now nor ever have been so poor that they will truly go without food, clothes, shelter, a smartphone and plenty of internet access for more than half a day unless they accept whatever act for whatever amount of baht from any customer who comes along.

If they don't get things pretty close to the way they want it and at the price they want it, they will head back to their province. It will bother them momentarily in the way a game player is bothered by losing this set. But it never ever means they or their family will go without the necessities of life and a few luxuries, parties and good times as well.

[QUOTE=Skolvikesq8;2635715]Hello everyone,

I've been following this thread religiously for the past few weeks ever since I had a work trip to Bangkok come up on my itinerary. But reading this thread has made me think about cancelling the trip all together especially with how the situation in Bangkok is. Seems like the nightlife there is dead? Is this correct? A lot of the massage parlors and soapy massage places and gogo bars also? Do you guys think the situation might improve by the middle of January? Would a trip to Bangkok around that time be worth it? And which hotel would you guys recommend the Sheraton grande in sukhvimit or the JW Marriot by Nana plaza. Your help would be greatly appreciated. And if someone is down for a beer when I'm there I'll gladly pay for it. See.[/QUOTE]No one can say what the situation will be like in January. Bars are supposed to be allowed to open by Jan 16th but who knows for sure.

As for hotel, I recommend JW as SG is a bit dated though the location between Nana and Asok is a bit better.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2635624]Take for example BKK or Pattaya: 3 thousand for an average looking Go Go girl, plus the barfine (700 to 1500 bht), plus drinks, and sometimes iffy sex: this is not a bargain IMHO.[/QUOTE]That is why many of us did the majority of our punting at the PSE oilies like Tulip, Snow White, Mango, etc.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2635813]That is why many of us did the majority of our punting at the PSE oilies like Tulip, Snow White, Mango, etc.

SL.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Especially from the mid-00's till a few years ago when quality started to nosedive. I discovered the oilies about 06 or 07 after Thermae became the layer of the Asian punter. And some of my best P4 P experiences in those places. But I must say the online scene in Bangkok has reinvigorated and excited me in just about the same way the oilies did 15 years ago. And overall the girls are prettier. Much prettier.
Truthfully, Covid has been pretty awesome for the hobby here in Bangkok. Great quality girls, excellent prices, and no tourists. I'll be sad to see that end.

I can't help but chuckle when reading all the arguments about what prices should be and what should one say in X and Y situation.

If the girls want to charge 3 K, let them, it's their decision. Punters have the power to counter or walk away. The decision is ultimately ours.

There will always be some stupid tourist ready to overpay, be it a taxi or a girl, it's like that in many third world countries, they count on tourists comparing prices with what they usually pay back home.

I do not believe we can change how business is done, but why try to shoot the guy who tries? Do whatever feels right for YOU and let others pay whatever they feel they can afford.

We don't all have the same disposable income when it comes to P4 P, some also have to be careful about OPSEC and can't be seen in some public places.

Funny thing is, a girl I was chatting with on Tinder, who turned out to be a prostitute and asking for 5 K for ST, contacted me because she needed money for rent and things to pay. Offering 1 K ST if I would see her on that same day.

I guess the girls are the same as us, they would like to get a high price, but sometime have to accept lower because life catches up to them.

Do whatever you feel is right for your budget, stop worrying about everyone else or trying to "teach" people how they should behave.

Tourists are back on the lower sukhumvit, many places are bustling. Girls of the night are in attendance. TukTuks and dodgy taxis are on the prowl. Bangkok starts to get back in shape, it's good to see.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2635613]I have a camera and all that mind numbing shit is fodder. Everywhere in the country. Its a stoners paradise. Wow, look at that, dude! Click click.

At age 69, firm tight cute unwrinkled 18-21 year olds are a bonus to the mind numbing dumb, crazy and weird shit. My motto: smile, agree, be happy and jai dee, its only $X and if you're in Thailand, say wow dude I'm lucky, look what my wrinkly old ass is banging![/QUOTE]That is how it is done in BKK!

[QUOTE=Visal;2635594]Whoa. Feels sad when someone is leaving.[/QUOTE]Have spent a couple of years vacationing in east Asia now, always good to broaden my horizons a bit, especially since I like to mix in non hobby activities as well. I hear Rio and SP are quite the destinations, from other Thailand experts as well. Sounds like the P4 P scene is not quite as commercialized as Thailand, and the girls and service are something else. Colombia is also on the table but since I've got zero Spanish skills I'd wager Rio and SP are probably easier to navigate.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2635924]but since I've got zero Spanish skills I'd wager Rio and SP are probably easier to navigate.[/QUOTE]Yes, they don't speak Spanish there so you will be OK. However, there aren't many that speak English either so learn a little Portuguese and make sure that you have some translation tools.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2635927]Yes, they don't speak Spanish there so you will be OK. However, there aren't many that speak English either so learn a little Portuguese and make sure that you have some translation tools.[/QUOTE]Haha yes, my experience's been that even very broken attempts is generally very positively received by the natives both in and out of the hobby.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2635736]
Yes, yes, I am sure there is an exception or two somewhere down some dark street. But the vast majority of Thai P4P girls you and I would ever encounter are not now nor ever have been so poor that they will truly go without food, clothes, shelter, a smartphone and plenty of internet access for more than half a day unless they accept whatever act for whatever amount of baht from any customer who comes along.

If they don't get things pretty close to the way they want it and at the price they want it, they will head back to their province. It will bother them momentarily in the way a game player is bothered by losing this set. But it never ever means they or their family will go without the necessities of life and a few luxuries, parties and good times as well.[/QUOTE]This has been the theme with every girl I've seen on this latest trip, many of them mentioned that they've either switched to some other line of work since the pandemic, with stints online catering to wealthy Thai clientele whenever they need cash. Some of them have said they prefer the new norm and don't plan on returning to the bars or soapies. I'm sure the bars and soapies will fill with new talent, but I'm less sure the quality to price ratio will improve or even remain the same.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2635823]

Tourists are back on the lower sukhumvit, many places are bustling. Girls of the night are in attendance. TukTuks and dodgy taxis are on the prowl. Bangkok starts to get back in shape, it's good to see.[/QUOTE]Good news are always welcome. Hope mongers are planning to begin with a New year X'mas bash in BKK and Pattaya.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2635823]I can't help but chuckle when reading all the arguments about what prices should be and what should one say in X and Y situation.


Funny thing is, a girl I was chatting with on Tinder, who turned out to be a prostitute and asking for 5 K for ST, contacted me because she needed money for rent and things to pay. Offering 1 K ST if I would see her on that same day.

I guess the girls are the same as us, they would like to get a high price, but sometime have to accept lower because life catches up to them.

Do whatever you feel is right for your budget, stop worrying about everyone else or trying to "teach" people how they should behave.

Tourists are back on the lower sukhumvit, many places are bustling. Girls of the night are in attendance. TukTuks and dodgy taxis are on the prowl. Bangkok starts to get back in shape, it's good to see.[/QUOTE]Rightly said, and that's good news about business inching back towards normal. February should be a good time for me to pre-book flights, and hopefully good deals for good hotels on Sukhumvit continues till then!

Hey bros,

Update. I will have a booking with the Soi 7 beer bar girl who wanted 3,000 before. She is now online for 1500/1/60. If you do the online thing, you will know what that means. I guess things have a way of working out. Maybe, I showed her the light. She will be in a surprise to see me again. Wish me luck!

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2635450]You must be new to Thailand. Logic is absent from basically all small Thai businesses. TIT (this is Thailand).[/QUOTE]This is the most accurate quote about thailand for anyone asking questions about thailand. Its so weird from a western perspective about how small business in thailand (and SE in general) operate.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2635813]That is why many of us did the majority of our punting at the PSE oilies like Tulip, Snow White, Mango, etc.
SL.[/QUOTE]Basically this, I'm happy I found it sooner than later. Just cut the crap and goto the PSE.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2635450]You must be new to Thailand. Logic is absent from basically all small Thai businesses. TIT (this is Thailand).

You are dreaming if you think nana area bars will suddenly lower their prices because of fiwfans. By that logic they could also raise their prices to that of Thai brothels / soapies which charge 3500-15000 for a 90 min session. You're comparing apples to oranges. Yes both are fruit, but they are quite different. And asking girls to lower their prices by half after months of not working is never going to fly, prices will not change but you can run into trouble. Why even go out to nana and ruin your night by doing this?[/QUOTE]New? I've lived here over two decades and speak halfway decent Thai. And yes, bar girls lower their prices by half. Alcohol prices are fixed due to high rents, but you would be surprised what girls will take especially at this stage. And no, as long as you're polite and do everything with a smile you're not going to get into trouble.

Soapies? Very few if any will reopen. The land most are on is way too valuable at this point. Chuwit actually came out and said that soapies are a thing of the past in an article today and that online has taken its place. In addition they are not very discreet and cultural norms are changinf. It's no longer okay for groups of Thai co-workers to go out to a soapy together.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2636112]Basically this, I'm happy I found it sooner than later. Just cut the crap and goto the PSE.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, the PSE shops that are still open have the same girls that were working there 15 years ago and they weren't all that young 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2636122]Unfortunately, the PSE shops that are still open have the same girls that were working there 15 years ago and they weren't all that young 15 years ago.[/QUOTE]I remember they used to get great reviews. Talk about a Motley Crue bunch of non- lookers, never mind age.

About that Chuwit guy. Wasn't he the one the Junta went after. Massage parlors after Massage parlors in Huay Kwang area were Razed and condos rose from the ashes.

Was he forced to Sell. Anyone dare to tell what happened.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2635816]I must say the online scene in Bangkok has reinvigorated and excited me in just about the same way the oilies did 15 years ago. And overall the girls are prettier. Much prettier.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure the online thing isn't just one or two great experiences coloring your view? In several mongering scenes (like Singapore or KL back in the day) I had some initial luck, which fizzled out quickly.

I tried going the online route in Thailand on several occasions (FanFinFin, TF, Craigslist, Locanto, Twitter), and had some ok sessions, but never a memorable one. Meanwhile, the process is the exact opposite of fun, a time consuming hassle at best to outright depressing at worst.

Browsing heavily edited photos of girls online does nothing for me, as I prefer to go by the girl's "vibe" than specs. And even when I find the one I like, the thrill of immediate availability is not there. By the time we get to it, if we ever do, I'd rather be doing something else.

I reckon the online girls and their service is no worse than picking off the street or a brothel. However, streets or brothels are fun for me even if I end up not picking anyone.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2636121]

Soapies? Very few if any will reopen. The land most are on is way too valuable at this point. Chuwit actually came out and said that soapies are a thing of the past in an article today and that online has taken its place. In addition they are not very discreet and cultural norms are changinf. It's no longer okay for groups of Thai co-workers to go out to a soapy together.[/QUOTE]Damn, I thought La Belle was an awesome soapy even if a bit expensive. Didn't Poseiden turn into a hotel too?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2636234]the process is the exact opposite of fun[/QUOTE]For you.

I would never touch anything off the street, ever (that's just me, others may like it). I also dislike the atmosphere of gogo bars, I don't drink and I don't smoke, I don't like loud music, I find aggressive half drunk bar girls a turnoff and those that are promising the world in the bar hardly deliver in the bedroom. It is my experience, I totally understand others may like it and good for them.

We need diversity. Having options is never a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2636121]Soapies? Very few if any will reopen. The land most are on is way too valuable at this point. Chuwit actually came out and said that soapies are a thing of the past in an article today and that online has taken its place. In addition they are not very discreet and cultural norms are changinf. It's no longer okay for groups of Thai co-workers to go out to a soapy together.[/QUOTE]Thai soapies won't go away. Maybe move to less visible locations but its a social thing for well off Thai men. Too big of a business to just disappear. And if anything cultural norms are changing to accept sex, not hide it.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2636234]I tried going the online route in Thailand on several occasions (FanFinFin, TF, Craigslist, Locanto, Twitter), and had some ok sessions, but never a memorable one. Meanwhile, the process is the exact opposite of fun, a time consuming hassle at best to outright depressing at worst.

Browsing heavily edited photos of girls online does nothing for me, as I prefer to go by the girl's "vibe" than specs. And even when I find the one I like, the thrill of immediate availability is not there. By the time we get to it, if we ever do, I'd rather be doing something else.

I reckon the online girls and their service is no worse than picking off the street or a brothel. However, streets or brothels are fun for me even if I end up not picking anyone.[/QUOTE]I agree with Crocodilexp. It is a lot more entertaining (for me) to search for girls in brick & mortar establishments than on the internet in my hotel room. In fact, the only time I did a call girl prior to Covid was on a rainy, torrential downpour night in MNL when I just did not feel like going out after a flight from BKK. That session was pretty good and I ended up repeating with that girl twice, but it did not change my mind or preferences one bit.

But then I travelled to SP in April 2021 during that city's Covid lockdown when all the bordellos (boates) were closed and I had very little choice but to go online or else end up doing nothing at night, so I went online and guess what? I met some amazing call girls and had a great time with them. So, this experience changed my view on the issue a little.

I still prefer going out on the hunt because I really enjoy hanging out and searching for girls in Bars, Go Go's & Clubs. I like spotting them in their element and asking them over for a drink. I like even more getting friendly with them before deciding to pull the trigger. I think going out and bar hopping, or clubbing is an integral part of the night's entertainment.

I wish I could say the same thing about searching for girls on the internet, but I can't. I just find searching online and texting back & forth a very time-consuming process and it can't be rushed. The girls won't let it be rushed. I think they like to slow things down to kind of make sure they are not dealing with a psycho or something. Anyway, it usually took me 90 to 120 minutes to 1) find the right call girl on the internet, 2) text back and forth with her, 3) setup a definite time, and finally 4) wait around in my hotel room another hour or two for her to show up at the appointed time. But necessity is the mother of invention and when I had no other alternative in lock downed SP, I did internet the girls and they were great. I even repeated with my favorite internet girls after all the clubs and bordellos were open again on my 2nd trip.

So, I sort of agree with Nic too, IE that it is great to have alternative sources online. The more variety of venues the better. I am sure I will check out a couple of these Thai online sites and sample a few of their girls when I return to LOS whenever that is.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2636234]Are you sure the online thing isn't just one or two great experiences coloring your view? In several mongering scenes (like Singapore or KL back in the day) I had some initial luck, which fizzled out quickly.

I tried going the online route in Thailand on several occasions (FanFinFin, TF, Craigslist, Locanto, Twitter), and had some ok sessions, but never a memorable one. Meanwhile, the process is the exact opposite of fun, a time consuming hassle at best to outright depressing at worst.

Browsing heavily edited photos of girls online does nothing for me, as I prefer to go by the girl's "vibe" than specs. And even when I find the one I like, the thrill of immediate availability is not there. By the time we get to it, if we ever do, I'd rather be doing something else.

I reckon the online girls and their service is no worse than picking off the street or a brothel. However, streets or brothels are fun for me even if I end up not picking anyone.[/QUOTE]I largely agree with you about this, Crocodilexp. I certainly shop online, keep an annual membership going on a couple of online services. They particularly came in handy during the closures.

But for all the shopping and chatting up of girls by the hundreds every year, even during the supposedly dire economic downturn and even talking about girls with appealingly doctored photos and compellingly made up profiles who initiated Likes for me as a half dozen or more do every day, the end result is I connect in person with maybe 2-3 worthwhile new girls per year going that route.

And none of them turned out to be as exciting in bed, as hassle free and ultimately as low cost as 2-3 new girls I picked up in the now famously "horrendous" line ups on Soi 4, Soi 7, Soi 8, Soi 11, Sukhumvit Road etc in just the past two months.

And that is from strolling around the area when I feel like meeting someone new that I might want to fuck, not because I sit for hours in loud bars getting myself or the girls shitfaced drunk, which is not my thing anyway.

There is simply something better about a face to face encounter when my horny-mones tell me this is a good time to go hunting vs a future set appointment or sitting passively waiting for a knock on the door before getting the bad news. That is, if the knock ever comes anyway, which is always doubtful.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2636234]Are you sure the online thing isn't just one or two great experiences coloring your view? In several mongering scenes (like Singapore or KL back in the day) I had some initial luck, which fizzled out quickly.

I tried going the online route in Thailand on several occasions (FanFinFin, TF, Craigslist, Locanto, Twitter), and had some ok sessions, but never a memorable one. Meanwhile, the process is the exact opposite of fun, a time consuming hassle at best to outright depressing at worst.

Browsing heavily edited photos of girls online does nothing for me, as I prefer to go by the girl's "vibe" than specs. And even when I find the one I like, the thrill of immediate availability is not there. By the time we get to it, if we ever do, I'd rather be doing something else.

I reckon the online girls and their service is no worse than picking off the street or a brothel. However, streets or brothels are fun for me even if I end up not picking anyone.[/QUOTE]I've been doing the online thing exclusively since early in the year. My batting average is about the same as it was in the oilies but it constantly improves. The web sites are the least important resource when it comes to the online scene. Retouched photos just like the ones from the oilie's sites. No different. And Twitter, Locanto, CL, TF are just a waste of time in my opinion. Although some of the local sideline sites are good for a bit of information and to get a feel for a particular "camp. " The telegram and Line groups are far more revealing and informative. I probably spend about an hour a day on them. Fun? It's an amazing amount of fun looking at pics, most nude and occasional action photos, the local punters take of these gals and reading their reviews. After a while you learn to read between the lines as most reviews are on the surface positive, but upon closer perusal you begin to get a feel of what they really think. You'll get an excellent feel of the gals "vibe. " I find it very fun. Who doesn't like looking at pics of naked gals that you can go bang at a moment's notice? Plus you can do you research anywhere. In the last two weeks I have had two gals that were as PSE as any Tulip, Mango, or SW gal rolled up into a package that you would expect to find in a high end Macau sauna. Honestly, I haven't enjoyed P4 P in BKK like this in years. And there are so many gals to choose from. And I'm a guy who swore he would never get into the online scene, but I'm a convert. Might venture to some of the higher end oilies at some point, but don't think I'll be in the PSE shops again. Just too rough looking.

Yes. I often sit at bars while doing research and browsing girls online or TF. Sometimes if it's boring, I will watch Facebook sexy videos of 35 Dara Show girls. How entertaining is that? If there is a girl I am interested in working at the bar, I will show her the competition and their pricing. Got two bar girls to drop down to 1500, their LINE, and planned dates to come to my hotel either before or after work. Avoiding all that bar pricing nonsense. The goal is to get LINE contacts when it's a buyers market. And it's still a buyers market. This girl is not your typical beer bar girl on 7 or 11 or anywhere else. But to me is worth 1500 because she looks better than most there. Only 162 cm and 44 kg. She is more of the exception than the norm.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2636234]Browsing heavily edited photos of girls online does nothing for me, as I prefer to go by the girl's "vibe" than specs. And even when I find the one I like, the thrill of immediate availability is not there. By the time we get to it, if we ever do, I'd rather be doing something else.[/QUOTE]For residents it may be different, but for a (future) tourist there is really no reason to pay to fly intercontinental, pay for a hotel (not even talking about the other covid stuff at the moment) then look for girls online. We have online in Europe for roughly the same prices as are being talked about in this thread and there are also places where you can have Asian and even Thai girls.

Basically the USP for Thailand is the "transparent" scene, whether that be massage shops, BJ bars, gogos or beer bars.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2636303]I largely agree with you about this, Crocodilexp. I certainly shop online, keep an annual membership going on a couple of online services. They particularly came in handy during the closures.

But for all the shopping and chatting up of girls by the hundreds every year, even during the supposedly dire economic downturn and even talking about girls with appealingly doctored photos and compellingly made up profiles who initiated Likes for me as a half dozen or more do every day, the end result is I connect in person with maybe 2-3 worthwhile new girls per year going that route.

And none of them turned out to be as exciting in bed, as hassle free and ultimately as low cost as 2-3 new girls I picked up in the now famously "horrendous" line ups on Soi 4, Soi 7, Soi 8, Soi 11, Sukhumvit Road etc in just the past two months.

And that is from strolling around the area when I feel like meeting someone new that I might want to fuck, not because I sit for hours in loud bars getting myself or the girls shitfaced drunk, which is not my thing anyway.

There is simply something better about a face to face encounter when my horny-mones tell me this is a good time to go hunting vs a future set appointment or sitting passively waiting for a knock on the door before getting the bad news. That is, if the knock ever comes anyway, which is always doubtful.[/QUOTE]Face to face is just more Fun.

Not all of us are looking for Hot 1,500 baht girls. Not many around. We aren't looking to Lowball girls.

I found a $6.99 Big Mc Meal last night. Went exploring downtown Houston last night. Past Minute Ballpark. Not the Hood but kind of in that neighborhood genre.

Is absolute price everything to me-NO. Stop with the price shaming. You people are Lunatics. Expecting quality at Bargain Basement pricing.

Beware the Asians are locked and loaded. Prices are going thru the Roof.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2622722]You would need to be specific in exactly what they will do. Some girls will do anything, some will only allow her pussy to be licked but not lick your girls pussy, some girls will only lick your girls pussy but not allow her pussy to be licked etc. Hence be very specific what you want.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2622804]Contact massage shops like Tulip and Doki Doki and ask if they offer couples massages.[/QUOTE]Our travel in Thailand is now ended and I would like to thank you for your useful recommendations Sunlover2 and MaxBkk. With this modest report, I hope this will help some others couples to do threesome with a bi-sexual girl. That's was not so easy! But easier than everywhere in the world for sure.

So we tried a couple of things:

- Tinder.

A lot of matches and messages exchanged but no girls interested by a couple in BKK. Also no paid proposal. However, my pain was rewarded in Pattaya where we met a 44 nice girl. Good English, clever, good moment shared together and we ended our two nights with some sex at our hotel (for free). To be honest, we are still wondering what she was looking for exactly. Just to have fun? To find a sponsor? Moreover some elements were a little curious, like a tagged nickname on her Tinder photos. We are still in contact and maybe one day we will have the answer.

- Sidelinegirls website.

No success to find a bi-sexual girl.

- Nuru massage.

Following recommendation we contacted Dokidoki and Kokorobkk parlor for a nuru massage. Only dokidoki was able to provide the service for a couple. So, we had with Mimi and Eve (only one girl was not possible). It was a wonderful nuru full sex massage with both girls and on the same mattress (5400 baht /1 hour without ability to switch girls).

- Bars and girls.

There are some bars with freelancers in sumkhumvit 4 and area. Some of them close a metallic curtain after 9 pm and now 11 pm and the party continue inside without alcohol restrictions. They shortly opens the curtain every 30 min to leave customers out / in. We only saw moving freelancers going from bar to bar to find a client in that street.

Finally, the best bar we found is located in Soi Cowboy (where 1/5 of bars are opened). I won't say the name be* but with its red color and approximately ten very very good looking girls in front and inside you can't miss it. The first time we went we took a first drink, then two and three. Because we were in couple (I guess) no girl came to our table to discuss. So, we asked the waitress to know if a girl was also interested by girls. She proposed a girl. Very sexy, small body and lot of tattoos. Lovely. After a short discussion we took her for 2 hours at our hotel (5000 bath + 500 bar fine + 230 cocktail for the waitress). Great moment for my wife and I with this beautiful girl.

Then, we came back during our last night in BKK just before going to the airport at midnight. The previous time we noticed some curious back and forth of some customers and girls to a restaurant the other side of the road. We suspected rooms upstairs. So, I asked to know more about this and we brung the same girl. There are 4 or 5 clean rooms with bathrooms. Not luxury and comfortable as the hotel but this do the job. Unfortunately, A/C was not working and shower water was cold. We paid 4000 baht for 1 hour, 700 bar fine and 500 for the room. Great moment but too short due to the airport constraint.

Bye bye Thailand we will come back soon!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2636234]Browsing heavily edited photos of girls online does nothing for me, as I prefer to go by the girl's "vibe" than specs. And even when I find the one I like, the thrill of immediate availability is not there. By the time we get to it, if we ever do, I'd rather be doing something else. [/QUOTE]The immediate availability of someone I like is the key point for me, that gives me the kicks. IMO Thailand has always been all about agogo bars or other type of bars and massage places where I can see and feel the ladies. Seeing is believing. The P4 P game has changed a lot due to Covid-19 all around the world and internet hookers are now increasingly popular. I might try this mode of action on my next sex holiday trip to Thailand if the other pick up options are too scarse.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2630025]Day 0, landed late, boarding flight to BKK from ICN a pain but screening at BKK a breeze. Picked up SIM after luggage pick up and before customs..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report.

Did you get visa on arrival? And they send you the results by email?

Did airline ask a return ticket?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2636390]Face to face is just more Fun.

Not all of us are looking for Hot 1,500 baht girls. Not many around. We aren't looking to Lowball girls.

I found a $6.99 Big Mc Meal last night. Went exploring downtown Houston last night. Past Minute Ballpark. Not the Hood but kind of in that neighborhood genre.

Is absolute price everything to me-NO. Stop with the price shaming. You people are Lunatics. Expecting quality at Bargain Basement pricing.

Beware the Asians are locked and loaded. Prices are going thru the Roof.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of hot 1500 Baht girls online. And I mean a lot. Far more than the total of hot girls on soi 7. And you're not lowballing online, that is the stated price. No haggling and you know exactly what the girl will do and won't do.

And it is the price the local men are paying and believe me their taste is far more discerning than the average tourist or foreign resident. The Asian punters used to have quite discriminating tastes but over the past few years I have seen them with gals I wouldn't give a second glance to.

Language will always be a block to the online scene here and will pretty much block tourists from the scene. Whereas you don't have to read and write pie to book these girls, interacting with them can be quite awkward because most don't speak very much English and some not at all.
I also think that the government is looking to rid Thailand of as much of the transparent scene as possible. Have a look at Argentina. They used to have a thriving club scene and now all those clubs are closed and it's all online. I do think that's the way we're headed here. And for the government that's a win because it means a less visible sex tourist industry. We foreigners love street food but many Thais don't and have supported the clean up of the streets. And none like the in your face foreign sex scene. Sex tourists make up a very small percentage of total tourist. And the gov is using covid to crack down. There will always be available gals, but the method will change.
Soapies are a thing of the past. Go-Gos will be as well, and perhaps sooner than we think.

[QUOTE=TourduMonde;2636334]For residents it may be different, but for a (future) tourist there is really no reason to pay to fly intercontinental, pay for a hotel (not even talking about the other covid stuff at the moment) then look for girls online. We have online in Europe for roughly the same prices as are being talked about in this thread and there are also places where you can have Asian and even Thai girls.

Basically the USP for Thailand is the "transparent" scene, whether that be massage shops, BJ bars, gogos or beer bars.[/QUOTE]Totally agree and can see your point. If I were a tourist that would be what I would be interested in. But for the majority of residents I know going to a loud bar and having to make small talk with a bar girl is not in the least bit appealing. In addition the Nana area really is not our favorite place to go at this point.

[QUOTE=TourduMonde;2636334]For residents it may be different, but for a (future) tourist there is really no reason to pay to fly intercontinental, pay for a hotel (not even talking about the other covid stuff at the moment) then look for girls online. [/QUOTE]

Correct. The online scene meant for Thai guys is neither appealing nor accessible to tourists. Even for residents, it only appeals to the small group who speak / read / write Thai reasonably well.

One thing I hated about the online scene was funneling. The site has 200 girls, I pick 10, then three reply within a reasonable timeframe, two of those go silent after I ask for an address. In my experience, being a Farang is already a filter, plenty of girls will refuse / not reply, or try to charge extra. Admittedly, I tried the Thai online scene pre-Covid, maybe it's a bit better now, with them being more desperate for business.

Maybe the the LINE groups that GoatScrot mentions are good, but I've been in one of those (courtesy of a FanFinFin girl) and deleted it after a week. Too much noise, can't browse/search, just an endless feed of posts, often repetitive. Presumably it's fun for some people, but not for me.

Technically, a sufficiently motivated and patient Farang could score in Thai-oriented online scene only using English, but there are obstacles at each step.

This was the best advice on here about the online Sidelines game. I guess some bros are better then others at playing it. Explains why some have success and some don't. In Bangkok, I've seen 12 sideliners, 3 bar girls, and only 2 outside Thermae girls. And I go hunting every night. I can say now, if you have a problem paying up front, you will have issues. Good luck bros.

"The sidelines info and websites have been a fucking gold mine! There are really a shit load of former Thermae girls, Soapie girls, and Go Go Bar girls all on those sites. There is a methodology and system, that I use to select my girls along with my sense of pattern recognition and being able to remember faces from all my mongering experiences. Those sideline sites are more than just bookings, it's an entire community that is coed, with customers, chat rooms, girls, and admins. So that means customers who don't play by the rules, getting weeded out really quickly on those sidelines websites. You make a booking via LINE (and trust me this Admins keep track of who is who on LINE and the girls they book). You meet the girl, do the deed, you can review her, and she will make notes on you as well. All this shared in the coed community. With the girls I've booked, the Admins give me points for my reviews (with proof and pics of the girls), which lead me to bookings with better girls and no bait and switches. Best part is that they refer me to other Go Go bar, Soapies, or Thermae girls that they are friends with on the sites, who are the real deal versus the bait and switches. This is a must because those sites are full of fake pics, liars, bullshit reviews, and scams. But if you have a good reputation on how you play the game, you keep getting more points, better referrals, and closely matched girls. Keep in mind at any single outcall hotel, here will be more than just that one girl you booked. There are more than one girl that somewhat fits the fake profile and description. If you have poor reputation or a history of accepting whatever opens the door or have been marked because poor behavior or poor hygiene (from your LINE info history and bookings), they will switch you because you are of little value. No wonder there have been so many reports of bad experiences. The game wasn't played correctly and by the rules. Go read the rules and abide by them. These girls and Admins track and share their notes on customers."

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2636390]Face to face is just more Fun.

Not all of us are looking for Hot 1,500 baht girls. Not many around. We aren't looking to Lowball girls.

I found a $6.99 Big Mc Meal last night. Went exploring downtown Houston last night. Past Minute Ballpark. Not the Hood but kind of in that neighborhood genre.

Is absolute price everything to me-NO. Stop with the price shaming. You people are Lunatics. Expecting quality at Bargain Basement pricing.

Beware the Asians are locked and loaded. Prices are going thru the Roof.[/QUOTE]Hey bro,

Biggie Mac Meal in Thailand is 159 baht in Bangkok when you order face to face at McDonalds. If you order to pick up and still visit the same store to sit and eat it there, you get 20% off 159 baht with a food app. New price is now 127 baht. If you get it delivered to a Soi 7 beer bar, you can sit, eat, and people watch with girls or listen to live band. Use food app delivery and code EAT1212 and now you get 50% off. So about 80 baht for that same Biggie Mac Meal.

First question is will your stomach feel any less satisfied by not paying 159 baht for the same Big Mac Meal?

Second question is where did all the Thermae, Thaniya, Gogo Bars, Soapy Girls go to since it's all closed? Very weird that sidelines sites has seen big influx since pre-COVID and lockdowns. I am not smart enough to figure that one out. Plus Thailand doesn't have a cultural mentality to give dual pricing to foreigners. No way Josie. When in Rome do what the Romanians do.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2636624]Correct. The online scene meant for Thai guys is neither appealing nor accessible to tourists. Even for residents, it only appeals to the small group who speak / read / write Thai reasonably well.

One thing I hated about the online scene was funneling. The site has 200 girls, I pick 10, then three reply within a reasonable timeframe, two of those go silent after I ask for an address. In my experience, being a Farang is already a filter, plenty of girls will refuse / not reply, or try to charge extra. Admittedly, I tried the Thai online scene pre-Covid, maybe it's a bit better now, with them being more desperate for business.

Maybe the the LINE groups that GoatScrot mentions are good, but I've been in one of those (courtesy of a FanFinFin girl) and deleted it after a week. Too much noise, can't browse/search, just an endless feed of posts, often repetitive. Presumably it's fun for some people, but not for me.

Technically, a sufficiently motivated and patient Farang could score in Thai-oriented online scene only using English, but there are obstacles at each step.[/QUOTE]I'd agree that speaking some Thai is pretty essential, however reading is not needed as Google will do the translating for you. The agents all read and write English and I have never had any be the least bit unpleasant. And yes, there are gals that don't go with farangs, but the vast majority do, and agents will be upfront with you about it. I've had two gals who don't have agents not reply to my initial contact, but only two, and that is out of many contacts I have made. I would say the scene is way different than it was pre-covid. But yes, it is not for the tourist but non-Thais are certainly welcome if they play by the rules.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2636327]I've been doing the online thing exclusively since early in the year. My batting average is about the same as it was in the oilies but it constantly improves. The web sites are the least important resource when it comes to the online scene. Retouched photos just like the ones from the oilie's sites. No different. And Twitter, Locanto, CL, TF are just a waste of time in my opinion. Although some of the local sideline sites are good for a bit of information and to get a feel for a particular "camp. " The telegram and Line groups are far more revealing and informative. I probably spend about an hour a day on them. Fun? It's an amazing amount of fun looking at pics, most nude and occasional action photos, the local punters take of these gals and reading their reviews. After a while you learn to read between the lines as most reviews are on the surface positive, but upon closer perusal you begin to get a feel of what they really think. You'll get an excellent feel of the gals "vibe. " I find it very fun. Who doesn't like looking at pics of naked gals that you can go bang at a moment's notice? Plus you can do you research anywhere. In the last two weeks I have had two gals that were as PSE as any Tulip, Mango, or SW gal rolled up into a package that you would expect to find in a high end Macau sauna. Honestly, I haven't enjoyed P4P in BKK like this in years. And there are so many gals to choose from. And I'm a guy who swore he would never get into the online scene, but I'm a convert. Might venture to some of the higher end oilies at some point, but don't think I'll be in the PSE shops again. Just too rough looking.[/QUOTE]So which telegram and Line groups would you recommend?

I have been looking at fiwfans and I got some good advice from Monkeypaw about how best to tackle that site, but I'm curious to look at the telegram and Line groups.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2637015]So which telegram and Line groups would you recommend?

I have been looking at fiwfans and I got some good advice from Monkeypaw about how best to tackle that site, but I'm curious to look at the telegram and Line groups.[/QUOTE]Links to the telegram groups are on the agent pages in Fiwfans.

Reading Fiwfans and see multiple references "not accept size 56".

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2636761]Biggie Mac Meal in Thailand is 159 baht in Bangkok when you order face to face at McDonalds. If you order to pick up and still visit the same store to sit and eat it there, you get 20% off 159 baht with a food app. New price is now 127 baht. If you get it delivered to a Soi 7 beer bar, you can sit, eat, and people watch with girls or listen to live band. Use food app delivery and code EAT1212 and now you get 50% off. So about 80 baht for that same Biggie Mac Meal.

First question is will your stomach feel any less satisfied by not paying 159 baht for the same Big Mac Meal?[/QUOTE]Someone certainly has mastered the proper way to order food in Thailand.

Can you price out the cheapest margarita pizza for me?

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2635419]Now this is some great intel. Thanks for this.

You know if Lolitas is open or not? That is the place where I have gotten volcanic inducing BBBJs.[/QUOTE]I second that opinion. Great intel, well written, and so easy to read. A big thanks to the original author (603).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2637178]Someone certainly has mastered the proper way to order food in Thailand.

Can you price out the cheapest margarita pizza for me?[/QUOTE]Do you not tip Somchai the Delivery Boy? At least 20 Baht.

I am thinking to visit Bangkok for the first time and I try googling this, but I find many different replies, and most of them are also some old articles and posts.

Usually in Europe I am interested into 30 min or 60 min. Is this short and long time?

And I wonder what would be price for entire evening / night or hiring them for entire day.

I know it is hard to tell and every girl can have different price, but just for example.

What would be prices for a good-looking 18-24 years old girl. In comparison what I could except from same person for short, long. Something.

Do hotels and hostels allow strangers to come with you to your room or should I rather consider Airbnb?

[QUOTE=SloPhoto1990;2637269]I am thinking to visit Bangkok for the first time and I try googling this, but I find many different replies, and most of them are also some old articles and posts.

Usually in Europe I am interested into 30 min or 60 min. Is this short and long time?

And I wonder what would be price for entire evening / night or hiring them for entire day.

I know it is hard to tell and every girl can have different price, but just for example.

What would be prices for a good-looking 18-24 years old girl. In comparison what I could except from same person for short, long. Something.

Do hotels and hostels allow strangers to come with you to your room or should I rather consider Airbnb?[/QUOTE]Every girl is different but in general GoGo Bar girls are about 3000 baht for short time which usually means one shot in about a 2 HR time frame. Some girls will do 2 shots if you negotiate ahead of time. Time long is usually till the next morning or afternoon and cost about 5000 baht for 1 shot at night and another in the morning, but as I said this is general and YMMV.

I won't answer about Airbnb's as I'm not a fan but most girls around the RLD (Nana, SC, and Patpong) will allow girls, some will have joiner fees but you can google the specific hotel as there are lists out there to see.

[QUOTE=SloPhoto1990;2637269]I am thinking to visit Bangkok for the first time and I try googling this, but I find many different replies, and most of them are also some old articles and posts.

Usually in Europe I am interested into 30 min or 60 min. Is this short and long time?

And I wonder what would be price for entire evening / night or hiring them for entire day.

I know it is hard to tell and every girl can have different price, but just for example.

What would be prices for a good-looking 18-24 years old girl. In comparison what I could except from same person for short, long. Something.

Do hotels and hostels allow strangers to come with you to your room or should I rather consider Airbnb?[/QUOTE]Non-registered hotel visitors in Thailand are called "joiners" and most hotels have a policy regarding joiners. Generally they are not frowned upon, but best to do your research.

As for pricing here are a couple of examples where it is clearly stated:

Smooci is an outcall escort website: [URL]Smooci.com[/URL].

Analisa is an incall massage shop: [URL]Analisamassage.com[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=SloPhoto1990;2637269]Do hotels and hostels allow strangers to come with you to your room or should I rather consider Airbnb?[/QUOTE]Just a reminder to guys that some hotels will not allow girls under 19. AirBNB is illegal in Thailand.

Many girls won't do entire days. They have to take care of their kid when their Thai BF works during the day. If your offer is high enough then she may go entire days cause she'll pay someone to babysit her kid.

If AIR BnB is illegal than thousands of people are breaking the law. A quick glance at their website would prove that.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2637440]Just a reminder to guys that some hotels will not allow girls under 19. AirBNB is illegal in Thailand.

Many girls won't do entire days. They have to take care of their kid when their Thai BF works during the day. If your offer is high enough then she may go entire days cause she'll pay someone to babysit her kid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2637256]Do you not tip Somchai the Delivery Boy? At least 20 Baht.[/QUOTE]He said, and I quote "When in Rome, do what the Romanians do". Thai people do not tip delivery drivers, so my guess is he does not either.

Also, with the now new COVID regulations, no way any condo will allow non-residents to even come in the lobby, Security collects the food, puts a sticker with your unit number and leaves it on a lobby counter for you to come pick-up at your convenience.

Somchai the delivery Boy seldom sees its customers. For me to tip him (at my condo) I have to give the tip to the security guard who then passes it on to Somchai. "Contactless" they say.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2637453]If AIR BnB is illegal than thousands of people are breaking the law. A quick glance at their website would prove that.[/QUOTE]Yep. 1000's of listings. Many people stay at AirBNB. Doesn't mean it's legal in Thailand. Thailand made AirBNB illegal about 4 years ago to protect the hotel industry. No different to Thailand making Uber illegal to protect taxis and some other ride share companies more close to the vest.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2637146]Reading Fiwfans and see multiple references "not accept size 56".[/QUOTE]You big man.

I no like.

5555.

I want Asia man.

He not so big.

He not hurt my nid noi hoi.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2637456]He said, and I quote "When in Rome, do what the Romanians do". Thai people do not tip delivery drivers, so my guess is he does not either..[/QUOTE]Thai people with money do tip. Sometimes generously. Most apps allow for tipping your delivery driver I think. How many Thai people who have western income / money have you ever seen get delivery? Cmon.

I have been reading this forum regularly for years, but this is my first post. English is not my first language and I use google translate (with some modifications), so I apologize for any mistakes.

I am currently hesitating between Thailand and Cambodia for the first half of January.

As the bars in Bangkok are closed, I read with interest the reports regarding the Sideline thing. Insiders point out that speaking Thai is highly recommended. I would like to know what difficulties would face a guy who has already been to the country several times, but who does not speak Thai. Is it the appointment setting? Finding the way to the room? Communication with the hostess?

In short, is it challenging or discouraging?

Any answer will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=FromParis21;2637522]I have been reading this forum regularly for years, but this is my first post. English is not my first language and I use google translate (with some modifications), so I apologize for any mistakes.

I am currently hesitating between Thailand and Cambodia for the first half of January.

As the bars in Bangkok are closed, I read with interest the reports regarding the Sideline thing. Insiders point out that speaking Thai is highly recommended. I would like to know what difficulties would face a guy who has already been to the country several times, but who does not speak Thai. Is it the appointment setting? Finding the way to the room? Communication with the hostess?

In short, is it challenging or discouraging?

Any answer will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]If its your first trip, I would rule out Cambodia, unless you want to see the Angkor ruins. Your success rate will be low and your danger factor will be high.

Until the CCPCovid screwed up my life (oh what a whiner I am, fat rich farang can't travel, waaaah, what an inhumane POS I am for saying that) I was living in Siem Reap. Even if you know what you are doing (eg. Make sure to carry a stick to beat off the street dogs) the quality is depressing. But drugs and life are cheap.

I'm sure there is a scene in PP, but that's all there is. Cute girls everywhere though, but not for tourists.

Appreciate a lot of info on the board.

Q: I like big heavy set women- how do I ask for that to mamasaan- the google translate is confusing.

Q: Never had Nuru but seems fun, are MY hands acceptable to roam around in different holes?

Is there like a good report for newbies for Bangkok?

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/2208/responsible-hosting-in-thailand[/URL]

I have been there too and have to concur. Everyone who can travel should visit Siem Reap at least once to view this marvel (Angkor what) of the ancient world. The town itself is pleasant enough for a few days but I found the nightlife marginal and the mongering woeful.

Phnom Penh is a bit better but it's overall a sleazy and poor city, lots of petty crime, poor public transportation, and not a lot to do after a few days.

Don't worry about your Thai language skills. Very few tourists or even local ex pats speak the language well. English is the 'lengua Franca' there.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2637659]If its your first trip, I would rule out Cambodia, unless you want to see the Angkor ruins. Your success rate will be low and your danger factor will be high.

Until the CCPCovid screwed up my life (oh what a whiner I am, fat rich farang can't travel, waaaah, what an inhumane POS I am for saying that) I was living in Siem Reap. Even if you know what you are doing (eg. Make sure to carry a stick to beat off the street dogs) the quality is depressing. But drugs and life are cheap.

I'm sure there is a scene in PP, but that's all there is. Cute girls everywhere though, but not for tourists.[/QUOTE]

I found this profile in massagerepublic website: [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-bangkok/ling-independent-i-am-in-sukhumvit[/URL].

I added her Line ID and made an appointment for an hour. She asked me to pay 1200 Baht as a deposit and gave me her bank account.

After a successful transfer I got the address in a hotel. Imagine my surprise when I saw a totally different girl opened the door.

The girl was very skinny, not pretty and did not look like the girl in the website. Not at all.

Well, I guess this will be my first and last online booking. Next time I will simply visit the parlours by myself.

[QUOTE=FromParis21;2637522]I have been reading this forum regularly for years, but this is my first post. English is not my first language and I use google translate (with some modifications), so I apologize for any mistakes.

I am currently hesitating between Thailand and Cambodia for the first half of January.

As the bars in Bangkok are closed, I read with interest the reports regarding the Sideline thing. Insiders point out that speaking Thai is highly recommended. I would like to know what difficulties would face a guy who has already been to the country several times, but who does not speak Thai. Is it the appointment setting? Finding the way to the room? Communication with the hostess?

In short, is it challenging or discouraging?

Any answer will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]The bars in Bangkok are not closed. I think only one beer bar on Soi 4 is still closed, the old Hillary 4 location. Go-go bars are closed but Nana Plaza and now Soi Cowboy and even a few places on Patpong 1 and 2 are operating as outdoor beer bars. There are probably more beer bars open in the lower Sukhumvit area now than were open during pre-Covid times because several new beer bars opened since then on Soi 7, Soi 8 and Soi 11.

Most nights now the places are packed with customers, girls, live entertainment, it's party time.

Some nights the customers outnumber the girls. Some nights it's the other way around. But any night it is quite easy to find a 20-something year old, fit, doable, "horrendous" 100% real female in or around the bars who will very likely agree to whatever it is you want sexually for 1,000 - 1,500 baht for Short Time (usually 1-2 hours) or 2,000 - 2,500 baht Long Time (often from 9-10 pm until the next morning), with or without maybe a 500 baht barfine depending on when and where you meet her.

Most everything starts in the late afternoon and goes until 9 pm, 10 pm, 11 pm or later.

Or you can work the online option or hit some Happy Ending massage shops open day and night all over the place.

However, in the Era of Covid and this being Thailand, what I just accurately described for today and tonight might be totally different tomorrow. And back again two weeks later. Nobody knows, impossible to predict perfectly. But that is true just about everywhere in the world to some degree I think.

[QUOTE=Druster;2637698]Appreciate a lot of info on the board.

Q: I like big heavy set women- how do I ask for that to mamasaan- the google translate is confusing.

Q: Never had Nuru but seems fun, are MY hands acceptable to roam around in different holes?

Is there like a good report for newbies for Bangkok?[/QUOTE]You can generally see all the girls when you show up to a place, and choose the one you want. If you specifically like bigger girls, there are usually some, you can just ask mammassan in english if you don't see any that fit your bill. If no girls are to your liking, have absolutely no issue with just walking out, you do not have to choose a girl just by walking in, its always your choice. You can leave and go into the next place like it was nothing, this is normal. Totally normal, don't get pressured into picking a girl just because you're there.

Nuru is just another sex thing. You do everything with them. It just starts as nuru... if you're in a sex shop getting nuru, you get sex. If in doubt, ask before you get the massage...

For good reports, since so much as changed, I'd keep up to date.

Ultra short version, there main venues are:

"Massage parlors" (called MPs, these are brothels, and the standard sex shop in Thailand) -- certain "massage parlors" are just sex shops, others are not, there are many many famous sex ones, anywhere else in the world, this would be known as a brothel, they have rooms that you do the girls in, prices are generally very good, you should get the 2 hour session. If you want something specific, like anal, just ask who does it before you choose your girl, (almost) nothing is off limits if you ask, they've heard it all, don't be embarrassed. Certain MPs are known for the "porn star experience" (PSE), such as Tulip (most famous), Cherry, Snow White (RIP?), and sometimes Mango. Girls are often not the best looking, but the experience its everything you've always wanted, anal is standard there and the girls really make the experience right, some people swear byu PSEs, others love the experience, but want different girls, though, I highly suggest it for a newcomer (and experienced people), but highly suggest getting the whole PSE for newcomer. Many of the MPs are located in roughly the same areas as each other, certain streets will just have a stack of sex shops.

Gogo's - These are sorta like strip clubs, but you can take the girls home too. Primarily in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, although right now most or all are shut down. Freelancers, there are many girls in certain areas of the city hanging out on the streets you can take home.

BJ Bars - A few scattered around, girls are often not lookers, but hey, its a BJ. Costs are very reasonable.

Online. There are lots of online escorts and booking stuff around, some people like this, others don't, generally its easier and cheaper to just go to an MP.

Enhancement pills - many pharmacies on Sukhumvit sell a generic over the counter version of viagra called "kamagra". Do with that info what you like. Do not buy it off the street, only legit pharmacies

Wow that's a good set of info Grapeman and EIHToons.

I also have something to add. My friends from youtube reported that Khaosan road is having walking street feel every night now. Lots of crowd there now. There is even a small alley inside Khaosan road now called as Walking street. No cameras allowed inside though.

I am thinking where to live now. On or near Khaosan road or near Nana plaza? (sukhumvit area)?

If in case I pickup a girl from a bar and try to bring her to my hotel room, will she be happy to be in a metro? Given that my hotel room is just 2 minutes walk on the metro? Or do girls prefer only the bike taxi?

[QUOTE=Visal;2637898]Wow that's a good set of info Grapeman and EIHToons.

I also have something to add. My friends from youtube reported that Khaosan road is having walking street feel every night now. Lots of crowd there now. There is even a small alley inside Khaosan road now called as Walking street. No cameras allowed inside though.

I am thinking where to live now. On or near Khaosan road or near Nana plaza? (sukhumvit area)?

If in case I pickup a girl from a bar and try to bring her to my hotel room, will she be happy to be in a metro? Given that my hotel room is just 2 minutes walk on the metro? Or do girls prefer only the bike taxi?[/QUOTE]They hate taking the skytrain with a client.

[QUOTE=Visal;2637898]Wow that's a good set of info Grapeman and EIHToons.

I also have something to add. My friends from youtube reported that Khaosan road is having walking street feel every night now. Lots of crowd there now. There is even a small alley inside Khaosan road now called as Walking street. No cameras allowed inside though.

I am thinking where to live now. On or near Khaosan road or near Nana plaza? (sukhumvit area)?

If in case I pickup a girl from a bar and try to bring her to my hotel room, will she be happy to be in a metro? Given that my hotel room is just 2 minutes walk on the metro? Or do girls prefer only the bike taxi?[/QUOTE]I have not been to Khaosan Road and Rambuttri Road / Village (the usual walkaround loop) in a while so I guess I need to scooter over there soon to check it out.

But during normal times that was mostly a place to meet tourist girls, not local fteelancers or bargirls. It could happen. But not normally.

There was and still is a very low grade street girl scene on the other side of nearby Ratchadamroen Klang Road. But I don't think I would book a hotel room just to be near that for daily hooker rounds. I'm talking maybe one 6.5 level girl out of 100 and the rest at 4 or well below. But you could probably take one back to your room for 500 baht or so if you dared. Avoid like the Black Plague any invitation to use a nearby 150 baht short time room of their choosing.

Maybe the Khaosan Road area has changed lately. When I check it out some night soon I will post a report about it. But the much better bargirl and freelancer scene was always in the Nana / Soi Cowboy / Patpong area, not the Khaosan Road area.

I know maybe this isn't the right place but.

Does anyone know of a legit massage shop (or at least no happy ending forced) with at least one cute / young girl working there? In lower Sukhumvit area or any place around a BTS / MRT station.

Of course cute / young is relative, I don't expect a beauty but I just want a massage by a reasonable looking girl (and not the usual overweight / old women I see in most legit shops).

[QUOTE=Leoaff12;2637714]I found this profile in massagerepublic website: [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-bangkok/ling-independent-i-am-in-sukhumvit[/URL].

I added her Line ID and made an appointment for an hour. She asked me to pay 1200 Baht as a deposit and gave me her bank account.
[/QUOTE]That is something that you should never do and you paid the price. The standard advice is not to pay until after your session is over.

I did the extensive research on this. If you plan to do this online selection and travel and wait for the good or bad surprise in the hotel room then you should stay near On Nut Metro. In my opinion it is nuts to do this though. You get real life selection on Khaosan road or Nana plaza, then why would you want to do this online selection?

I agree price can be cheaper for online but then the girls must be used up at the max level every day as mostly only 1 or 2 girls are there in the room and the online agents try their best to get a lot of clients to her daily.

This is all without visiting Thailand yet. I am yet to arrive! You can always correct me, it is well appreciated.

Any place you guys recommend to stay at? I want to be as close to the action as possible :D

[QUOTE=Visal;2637980]I did the extensive research on this. If you plan to do this online selection and travel and wait for the good or bad surprise in the hotel room then you should stay near On Nut Metro. In my opinion it is nuts to do this though. You get real life selection on Khaosan road or Nana plaza, then why would you want to do this online selection?

I agree price can be cheaper for online but then the girls must be used up at the max level every day as mostly only 1 or 2 girls are there in the room and the online agents try their best to get a lot of clients to her daily.

This is all without visiting Thailand yet. I am yet to arrive! You can always correct me, it is well appreciated.

Any place you guys recommend to stay at? I want to be as close to the action as possible.[/QUOTE]Nana Hotel.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2637961]That is something that you should never do and you paid the price. The standard advice is not to pay until after your session is over.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was pretty naive. I think it is not even a she, it could be the pimp himself who can speak better English and act as an agent for the girls. I saw her getting a lot of messages from this person at the hotel. I will not engage any online girl anymore, I just want to avoid nasty surprises.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2638014]Nana Hotel.[/QUOTE]Can't believe it's still being recommended as a place to stay, it's been talked about many times the rooms are full of cockroaches and yes even the "brand new remodeled ones" now with that being said the location can't be beat, I can deal with lots of stuff but staying in a well known roach motel is not one I can deal with ever again!

Q: How do I differentiate "normal" massage parlors with the "Massage parlors" (called MPs, these are brothels, and the standard sex shop in Thailand) -- certain "massage parlors" are just sex shops, others are not, there are many many famous sex ones, anywhere else in the world, this would be known as a brothel, they have rooms that you do the girls in, prices are generally very good, you should get the 2 hour session.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2638014]Nana Hotel.[/QUOTE]Its really close to the action, which was requested. A friend stayed there for 2 or 3 nights in 2017. He said it was cheap and junky. Not recommended unless it has been renovated in the last 4 years. The advantage is the location is at hooker central.

Depending on your budget, there are many choices along Sukhumvit between Soi 4 and Soi Cowboy. More action is on the odd Soi side, but that shouldn't be your deciding factor. I find that Soi 11 is close enough to walk to everything between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. Interesting places to eat. It's also right at a BTS station and close walk to an MRT station. For convenience, the hotels near Sukhumvit Road are better than those further down the sois. Personally, I stay at a Soi 11 hotel well away from Sukhumvit because I prefer those hotels.

[QUOTE=Visal;2637980]I did the extensive research on this. If you plan to do this online selection and travel and wait for the good or bad surprise in the hotel room then you should stay near On Nut Metro. In my opinion it is nuts to do this though. You get real life selection on Khaosan road or Nana plaza, then why would you want to do this online selection?

I agree price can be cheaper for online but then the girls must be used up at the max level every day as mostly only 1 or 2 girls are there in the room and the online agents try their best to get a lot of clients to her daily.

This is all without visiting Thailand yet. I am yet to arrive! You can always correct me, it is well appreciated.

Any place you guys recommend to stay at? I want to be as close to the action as possible..[/QUOTE]JW Marriott Soi2.

[QUOTE=Francesco24;2637922]I know maybe this isn't the right place but.

Does anyone know of a legit massage shop (or at least no happy ending forced) with at least one cute / young girl working there? In lower Sukhumvit area or any place around a BTS / MRT station.

Of course cute / young is relative, I don't expect a beauty but I just want a massage by a reasonable looking girl (and not the usual overweight / old women I see in most legit shops).[/QUOTE]I suggest Tarntip. Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. Left side as you walk in the soi.

SW.

[QUOTE=Visal;2637980]I did the extensive research on this. If you plan to do this online selection and travel and wait for the good or bad surprise in the hotel room then you should stay near On Nut Metro. In my opinion it is nuts to do this though. You get real life selection on Khaosan road or Nana plaza, then why would you want to do this online selection?

I agree price can be cheaper for online but then the girls must be used up at the max level every day as mostly only 1 or 2 girls are there in the room and the online agents try their best to get a lot of clients to her daily.

This is all without visiting Thailand yet. I am yet to arrive! You can always correct me, it is well appreciated.

Any place you guys recommend to stay at? I want to be as close to the action as possible :D[/QUOTE]This is all pre pandemic research so expect these might cost half as much. But here are hotels sprinkled between Nana and Cowboy that I was seriously considering. Then the plague intervened and I never narrowed it down. But maybe it gives you some good names to check out. Good luck.

Arte - 2 beds 800 ft 206.

Sib Kao. Great rep tiny rooms good location $57!

Four points. Location. $102.

Adelphi suites near Nana $112.

Mercure big room Soi 11 $80.

Eleven on Soi 11 $70 well reviewed.

Shama suites. 2 bedroom near nana. $190 Nice. 1200 sq ft!

Aloft Soi 11 $85.

Dream $59.

Grand sukhumvit $74.

Novotel sukhumvit 4 $82.

Novotel ploenchit $95.

Dynasty Grande. $72 Soi 4.

Column $200 1200 ft two bed. Soi 16.

Centre Point 1000 ft $190 Soi 10.

[QUOTE=Francesco24;2637922]I know maybe this isn't the right place but.

Does anyone know of a legit massage shop (or at least no happy ending forced) with at least one cute / young girl working there? In lower Sukhumvit area or any place around a BTS / MRT station.

Of course cute / young is relative, I don't expect a beauty but I just want a massage by a reasonable looking girl (and not the usual overweight / old women I see in most legit shops).[/QUOTE]Walk past the shops until you see one that has a masseuse that suits you. When in the room just tell the girl you don't want the handjob. It is as easy as that.

The personnel available in the shops changes too fast to be able to give you a workable answer. And anyhow, it are probably the older women that are (a) more or less fixed to a shop and (b) usually they give you the best massage.

[QUOTE=Visal;2637980]Any place you guys recommend to stay at? I want to be as close to the action as possible :D[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Citrus Suites on Soi 6 in November, 2019. It's a two minute walk to Nana Plaza. I had a two room suite for $70 a night which included breakfast. It has rooftop pool and overall is a great facility.

Can we continue the hotel discussion in the Bangkok Hotels thread [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/URL].

That way this thread stays on topic, and in the future people looking for some Bangkok Hotel info might actually find it.

SL.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2637961]That is something that you should never do and you paid the price. The standard advice is not to pay until after your session is over.[/QUOTE]Many massage shops now like the "Japanese" model of paying a set price including FS before you go to the room. I don't like the idea and much prefer the places that charge you for the massage and you decide if chemistry is good in the room to pursue further.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2637659]If its your first trip, I would rule out Cambodia, unless you want to see the Angkor ruins. Your success rate will be low and your danger factor will be high.

Until the CCPCovid screwed up my life (oh what a whiner I am, fat rich farang can't travel, waaaah, what an inhumane POS I am for saying that) I was living in Siem Reap. Even if you know what you are doing (eg. Make sure to carry a stick to beat off the street dogs) the quality is depressing. But drugs and life are cheap.

I'm sure there is a scene in PP, but that's all there is. Cute girls everywhere though, but not for tourists.[/QUOTE]I agree, Phnon Penh is not for the newbie or faint hearted.

Scams there as in straight out robbery and theft are 10 times more prevalent and likely to occur to you than they do in Thailand.

And the police will be of very very little help.

They know what happens, and seemingly allow it too.

I have been there many times, and even the last one I put myself in a "situation".

Luckily I twigged to the situation being played in the massage shop, the girl too willing then not, and sensed something amiss.

A quick check of my pants placed on a room hanger near a curtain showed I was correct.

My wallet was gone and the curtain concealed a hidden window hole.

A quick naked sprint to the front found two small Khmer men down a small access way switching fake US $100 bill fro my real money.

They had no way out past me.

Fists up by me, a big piece if wood picked up I told them to stop.

Money and wallet dropped by them, they tried to escape, but couldn't.

I backed them up, grabbed my wallet, and money, real and fake from the ground.

Carefully retreated back to the room screaming for the police, a ploy as I knew they wouldn't come.

Dressed, money and wallet back in pants, I walked out, wood still in hand, ready to fight it of I had to.

They all backed off, men that is, girl behind me scream in for payment, me politely and calmly wording obscenities.

I left, sat in a restaurant and proceeded to catalog my losses.

I was lucky, I had all my real notes and many of their fake ones.

The restaurant staff were empathetic to my story, telling me a similar tale of fake money switched had occurred earlier that day to a customer in the hotel opposite.

He had been stung by the girl in his room, only finding the issue much much later in the day.

They even got the police who were still there to come and talk to me.

Very surprisingly they wanted me to take them to the shop, which I did.

All the players were still there and I listened as they talked in Khmer.

Clearly the policeman was wanting them to return my money, telling me he would do so, and intimating for a cut of the recovery.

Eventually he believed them when they said they had given it all back, and asked me if that was correct.

I said it was, and he basically told me all was good and suggested that I leave.

Which of course I did, as I knew the game.

He was now going to shake them down for a share of their take from other customers they'd successfully robbed.

[QUOTE=Visal;2637980]

Any place you guys recommend to stay at? I want to be as close to the action as possible :D[/QUOTE]Try this thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2638190]Walk past the shops until you see one that has a masseuse that suits you. When in the room just tell the girl you don't want the handjob. It is as easy as that.

The personnel available in the shops changes too fast to be able to give you a workable answer. And anyhow, it are probably the older women that are (a) more or less fixed to a shop and (b) usually they give you the best massage.[/QUOTE]Big problem.

Put yourself in girls shoes. You are pretty.

Are you going to rub a naked man for an hour with no Big Pay Opportunity at the end?

[QUOTE=Leoaff12;2637714]I found this profile in massagerepublic website: [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-bangkok/ling-independent-i-am-in-sukhumvit[/URL].

I added her Line ID and made an appointment for an hour. She asked me to pay 1200 Baht as a deposit and gave me her bank account.

After a successful transfer I got the address in a hotel. Imagine my surprise when I saw a totally different girl opened the door.

The girl was very skinny, not pretty and did not look like the girl in the website. Not at all.

Well, I guess this will be my first and last online booking. Next time I will simply visit the parlours by myself.[/QUOTE]Have a Zoom interview with the Prostitute of choice.

[QUOTE=Francesco24;2637922]I know maybe this isn't the right place but.

Does anyone know of a legit massage shop (or at least no happy ending forced) with at least one cute / young girl working there? In lower Sukhumvit area or any place around a BTS / MRT station.

Of course cute / young is relative, I don't expect a beauty but I just want a massage by a reasonable looking girl (and not the usual overweight / old women I see in most legit shops).[/QUOTE]My go to for legit massage is Lovely Massage soi 19 right hand side about 100 meters in. New, spotless and professional staff. Reasonable looking is relative but my regular masseuse, not overweight / old is a lady called Nid who used to work in Tarntip on 7.

Hello folks.

I'll be in bkk in a week.

Given current state of opening of Go-Go's and bars and FS massage places, would you recommend hotels in Patpong or Sukhumvit areas?

Cheers and happy celebrations.

Nomadic.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2637146]Reading Fiwfans and see multiple references "not accept size 56".[/QUOTE]You big man.

I no like.

5555.

I want Asia man.

He not so big.

He not hurt my nid noi hoi.

[QUOTE=Nomadic;2638839]Hello folks.

I'll be in bkk in a week.

Given current state of opening of Go-Go's and bars and FS massage places, would you recommend hotels in Patpong or Sukhumvit areas?

Cheers and happy celebrations..[/QUOTE]I would definitely choose Sukhumvit area. There is more happening there and you have easy access to the BTS.

[QUOTE=Nomadic;2638839]Hello folks.

I'll be in bkk in a week.

Given current state of opening of Go-Go's and bars and FS massage places, would you recommend hotels in Patpong or Sukhumvit areas?

Cheers and happy celebrations.[/QUOTE]As of this writing, there is only a total of about 5 bars on Patpong 1 and 2 that are operating as outdoor beer bars with maybe 7-8 girls sitting mostly in the dark at each one. There are also a couple of go-gp bars that appear to be allowing customers to sit indoors but there are no girls in bikinis or dancers onstage, just servers and a few bargirls sitting inside.

By contrast, the lower Sukhumvit / Nana / Soi Cowboy area has dozens of open beer bars, half of the ground floor space inside Nana Plaza is operating as one big crowded beer bar and there are now hundreds of girls in, around and strolling between the bars on Soi 4, inside Nana Plaza, Soi 6, Soi 7, Soi 7/1, Soi 8, Soi 11 and all along Sukhumvit Road from Soi 4 and Soi 3 to Soi Cowboy.

I see several Happy Ending massage shops open with ladies of both original genders sitting outside of them in the lower Sukhumvit area. I did not notice many in the Patpong area as I passed through. But I should say I was not on the lookout for them because they are not really my thing.

[QUOTE=Nomadic;2638839]would you recommend hotels in Patpong or Sukhumvit areas?
Nomadic.[/QUOTE]You forgot Khaosan road, it is bustling right now with an alley dedicated and named as Walking street there with no cams allowed in the alley.

The question should be Khaosan or Sukhumvit.

The winner is sukhumvit but someone should make a ground visit to Khaosan as all of this is based on youtube reports.

Pattaya had the highest crowd of girls and customers yesterday. Reported by my Indian friends on youtube. Almost all bars are working with some clubs like Hooters working too, as seen in their youtube videos. Not many freelancers on the beach road but you can find them at other popular spots and bars in Pattaya.

The airline "Thai smile" is going to fly since 2nd January with only 3 flights per week, while from 15th January it will fly daily.

Bangkok also has the Nana plaza operating with girls and customers till 11 in night now. Many bars working and many clubs working too. Mongers can have fun for sure.

If you want a completely bustling city right now itself, then take 1 more flight from bangkok to Phuket and you will see 50 girls standing outside popular bars.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2638353]I agree, Phnon Penh is not for the newbie or faint hearted.

Scams there as in straight out robbery and theft are 10 times more prevalent and likely to occur to you than they do in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience in PP, but what you described was well known for a very long time.

Before my first trip in Cambodia I read many reports about robberies in massage parlors, that's exactly the reason I never tried any massage parlor over there except one legit foot massage in Siem Reap.

And for theft being 10 times more prevalent than in Thailand, I really doubt it, unless you've got some personal experiences to share of course.

[QUOTE=Nomadic;2638839]Given current state of opening of Go-Go's and bars and FS massage places, would you recommend hotels in Patpong or Sukhumvit areas?[/QUOTE]I'm likely the biggest Patpong fan on here but even pre-COVID it may be difficult to stay there more than a week because hobbying is so limited. Exception would be if you're Japanese or can speak Japanese and have Thaniya Road accessible to you.

ET's update supports no reason to be there now.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2638353]I agree, Phnon Penh is not for the newbie or faint hearted.

Scams there as in straight out robbery and theft are 10 times more prevalent and likely to occur to you than they do in Thailand.[/QUOTE]

I've never felt unsafe in PP. There are always people in the RLD no matter what time it is. Sure the walk through empty pitch black streets to Cyrcee may be a bit sketch but just take a motorbike for 1 USD instead. Which area(s) are not for the faint hearted? Maybe I haven't been there.

Won't argue about the police though. Get caught for speeding with a taxi driver who drives 140 kmh between Sihanoukville and PP? Pay them 10-20 USD and you're on your way.

[QUOTE=Allover;2639010]I would definitely choose Sukhumvit area. There is more happening there and you have easy access to the BTS.[/QUOTE]At one point Patpong was barely a smidgen of Fun. That was years ago. The Junta killed off any level of Happiness left when it took over.

Seems a running theme going on post Shinawatra.

Those Karaoke bars are a wonder. They cater to Japanese yet if you watch for half an hour you will rarely see any going in. Then if they do go in they come out real fast.

If you are from India:

ICICI Lombard insurance has covid written on first page. It is cheapest insurance. It gives 5 pages in PDF but you can take screenshot of first page only and attach the first page only in thailand pass process. There is a provision to attach 3 pdf files on last stage of application. You can attach your insurance pdf file there. Simple as that. Also, flights of Thai airways will fly from 2 Jan onwards, so book them. Thank me later.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2639381]Those Karaoke bars are a wonder. They cater to Japanese yet if you watch for half an hour you will rarely see any going in. Then if they do go in they come out real fast.[/QUOTE]The girls only stay inside the karaoke bars if the guys pay for their time. Otherwise they come back out. There are more girls inside.

[QUOTE=Visal;2639442]If you are from India:

ICICI Lombard insurance has covid written on first page. It is cheapest insurance. It gives 5 pages in PDF but you can take screenshot of first page only and attach the first page only in thailand pass process. There is a provision to attach 3 pdf files on last stage of application. You can attach your insurance pdf file there. Simple as that. Also, flights of Thai airways will fly from 2 Jan onwards, so book them. Thank me later.[/QUOTE]

There is no need to post the same thing in both the Bangkok and Pattaya threads. Pretty sure all guys read both threads in these hard times.

I spent some time in Nana Plaza last night. The ground floor had some bars open, and plenty of ladies and customers. Everyone sat outside the bars.

I haven't figured out LINE yet, but I've had pretty good luck with the usual websites. These girls seem generally less jaded than the ones in bars and oilees and such. It seems like the more they ask, the worse they perform. At least, that's been my experience. The ones that ask for 1. 5 k or 2 k have been great.

One really hot girl seemed to get me confused with some other guy. She made a few references to a conversation I never had and then asked "so are we still planning to meet on Tuesday? I first typed in "What?" then paused. Backspace, backspace, backspace. "Yes, we are".

She then dropped heavy hints that she needs and expects support. This is the freelance type that doesn't want to admit they are freelance.

Most, though, just come right out and say that they are freelance. For me, it's like 90%. Maybe it's because my profile says I'm not looking for serious and that I'm visiting and because I'm only looking at young hot ones. Much younger than me.

Meanwhile, a much older friend of mine, hitting on much older women ( 40) has a non-stop string of freebies outside his door. I suspect he's saying that he's looking to retire in Thailand and is looking for a wife. I draw the line a bit differently.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2639311]Thanks for sharing your experience in PP, but what you described was well known for a very long time.

Before my first trip in Cambodia I read many reports about robberies in massage parlors, that's exactly the reason I never tried any massage parlor over there except one legit foot massage in Siem Reap.

And for theft being 10 times more prevalent than in Thailand, I really doubt it, unless you've got some personal experiences to share of course.[/QUOTE]Well, I didn't know about the massage sting setup, nor had I read about it, despite many visits there, so I was new to me when it happened.

And as to theft and scam ratios being 10 times higher than Thailand, well I am sticking to that.

There is nothing like the massage scam in Thailand, not to mention the negative impact of the Vietnamese influences in Phnom Penh and especially Siem Reap.

Yes, if you stick to the bright lights of 104-136 Streets near the river you're fine.

But venture to far off and its not good at all.

I have a handful of bad experiences stories in Cambodia over 10 or so visits, yet only 2 such experiences living in Thailand for years.

Cambodia is still pretty much the "wild west", highly enjoyable for its opportunities, but dangerous if you don't have your wits about you.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2639756]Yes, if you stick to the bright lights of 104-136 Streets near the river you're fine.

But venture to far off and its not good at all.[/QUOTE]Which areas off the main RLD are you referring to?

I have heard CH is a strange place but I am really tempted by hearing that girls are basically walking around inside totally neckid. Anyone knows if it is open and what goes on inside?

Yes indeed many girls walk around naked inside. Don't know if it is open now though.

[QUOTE=BHawk;2639858]I have heard CH is a strange place but I am really tempted by hearing that girls are basically walking around inside totally neckid. Anyone knows if it is open and what goes on inside?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarcSmith961;2639874]Yes indeed many girls walk around naked inside. Don't know if it is open now though.[/QUOTE]I didn't see the lights on when I was there last week.

[QUOTE=MarcSmith961;2639874]Yes indeed many girls walk around naked inside. Don't know if it is open now though.[/QUOTE]Same old same old. The Naked ones are best Clothed. The Hot ones don't Do Nudity.

[QUOTE=MarcSmith961;2639874]Yes indeed many girls walk around naked inside. Don't know if it is open now though.[/QUOTE]I walk past Crazy House, which is on the corner of soi 23 and soi cowboy, everyday. I believe it has been shut for the last year.

Kazy Kosy which is next door to it, has always had some type of activity happening. The girls try and talk to you as you walk past. Been like this for a year or so. Never stopped and asked what service they provide as didn't see anything of interest.

Hey all,

Just arrived to BKK. Have today before friends arrive and can't really monger more. Any fishbowls or place with large selection at this time?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2639842]Which areas off the main RLD are you referring to?[/QUOTE]In PP, 13th street and west of there at night.

The massage places that are a risk are all the same look.

They have an open area at the front, with the eye candy sitting out front.

Generally if you look carefully, you will see they have some temporary partitions or walls at the back of the front open area.

These hide the window at the front of the room from being seen.

And inside they have a curtain across that front wall where they put a coat stand.

With the girl once in the room encouraging you to hang your clothes there off the floor.

After I was stung by it I did a walk around the next night and easily found a half dozen such setups.

I will travel to Bangkok, after looong time, at end of January. I was there last time in 2019, in the summer.

I usually stay in Nana, Asok area. I see that Wood bar (BJ bar) still open, 7 Heaven, Kasalong, Cherry massage same.

I was a fan of Eden Cluj, Mitu, but not getting any information, if still open.

I understand that Snow white is close, someone know where is Candy now?

I want ask what for a massage saloon suggestion, or blowjob bar, because I think many things change in almost 2 years.

[QUOTE=Visal;2639200]You forgot Khaosan road, it is bustling right now with an alley dedicated and named as Walking street there with no cams allowed in the alley.

The question should be Khaosan or Sukhumvit.

The winner is sukhumvit but someone should make a ground visit to Khaosan as all of this is based on youtube reports...[/QUOTE]I was on Khaosan Road last night from about 7:30 pm until 9 pm. There were the usual tourist families, farang backpackers, couples and Thai locals that usually hit the area during normal times with a greater percentage being Thai locals these days.

Most restaurants and bars are open, some with live entertainment, loud music everywhere. Plenty of places to buy t-shirts, souvenirs, silver. More sedate and less noisy dining and drinking is found on the loop around area of Rambuttri Road and over at the Rambuttri Village section.

I saw no evidence of P4P freelancers or bargirls, Thai or otherwise.

In other words, Khaosan Road is lively if you are interested in shopping, dining, drinking, music (loud), a foot massage and possibly dancing. A pleasant family-friendly tourist destination but with an emphasis on drinking as the night progresses, same as during normal times.

However, there are two clubs or bars open inside the little Susie Walking Street pathway. For anyone not familiar with that pathway, it is about a 70 metre walkway that provides a shortcut between Khaosan Road and Rambuttri Road. Narrower than an alley, just wide enough for 3 people to walk side by side.

One bar is called Elephant (in Thai lettering only) and as near as I could tell the other bar is called Hubpital or maybe Keep Walking (in English lettering).

Both of these bars were very Thai-centric. Through the doors I did not see one farang in them. I am not a booze drinking and loud music guy anyway so I did not go inside but I could see from the customers entering they were all Thais and mostly couples or groups. Again, I got zero freelancer vibe from anything or anyone walking to and from those two bars on Susie Walking Street.

Maybe things get wilder and the Thai girls I saw will get shitfaced drunk and start moving away from their Thai boyfriends, schoolmates and co-workers to start groping at 2-3 of the older farang dudes like me nearby. I wasn't there late enough to find out. But I highly doubt it based on what I saw up until 9 pm or so.

[QUOTE=Pwrmnd;2639737]I haven't figured out LINE yet, but I've had pretty good luck with the usual websites. [/QUOTE]Line is not a dating app. It's just a chat app (comparable to WhatsApp) that Thai people use a lot.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2640205]Line is not a dating app. It's just a chat app (comparable to WhatsApp) that Thai people use a lot.[/QUOTE]True, but Line also has a "People Nearby" feature that is sometimes used for hookups right here and right now. Similar to WeChat, but Line cannot be set to see only female users in your area.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2640167]I was on Khaosan Road last night from about 7:30 pm until 9 pm. There were the usual tourist families, farang backpackers, couples and Thai locals that usually hit the area during normal times with a greater percentage being Thai locals these days.

Most restaurants and bars are open, some with live entertainment, loud music everywhere. Plenty of places to buy t-shirts, souvenirs, silver. More sedate and less noisy dining and drinking is found on the loop around area of Rambuttri Road and over at the Rambuttri Village section.

I saw no evidence of P4P freelancers or bargirls, Thai or otherwise.

In other words, Khaosan Road is lively if you are interested in shopping, dining, drinking, music (loud), a foot massage and possibly dancing. A pleasant family-friendly tourist destination but with an emphasis on drinking as the night progresses, same as during normal times.

However, there are two clubs or bars open inside the little Susie Walking Street pathway. For anyone not familiar with that pathway, it is about a 70 metre walkway that provides a shortcut between Khaosan Road and Rambuttri Road. Narrower than an alley, just wide enough for 3 people to walk side by side.[/QUOTE]You give the best updates. And more importantly believe-able.

I always ask this question and never get answers. Who and where are the customers to Partake in this reopening of Thailand.

Tree town is Booming if you like sitting on benches with Thai.

To me. We not coming till it's just show passport and departure Covid test.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2640250]True, but Line also has a "People Nearby" feature that is sometimes used for hookups right here and right now. Similar to WeChat, but Line cannot be set to see only female users in your area.[/QUOTE]I'm using Line as well with some thai friends, but I never find " People Nearby" function. Where is in the Line's menu?

Thanks in advance for your help.

[QUOTE=WhiteShark;2640560]I'm using Line as well with some thai friends, but I never find " People Nearby" function. Where is in the Line's menu?

Thanks in advance for your help.[/QUOTE]On iPhone, look in the HOME section, then SERVICES group. You might need to click MORE before you see PEOPLE NEARBY.

On iPad, go to HOME. In the SEARCH bar type in PEOPLE NEARBY and it will come up. I don't know any other way to find it on the iPad.

I've never tried to use people nearby on an Android device. Line is a bit different on different devices, for example, I've never figured out how to send my location using my laptop.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2640665]On iPhone, look in the HOME section, then SERVICES group. You might need to click MORE before you see PEOPLE NEARBY.

On iPad, go to HOME. In the SEARCH bar type in PEOPLE NEARBY and it will come up. I don't know any other way to find it on the iPad.

I've never tried to use people nearby on an Android device. Line is a bit different on different devices, for example, I've never figured out how to send my location using my laptop.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WhiteShark;2640560]I'm using Line as well with some thai friends, but I never find " People Nearby" function. Where is in the Line's menu?

Thanks in advance for your help.[/QUOTE]The people nearby function does not work in the app when using a Thai phone number to register. If you registered your Line account using a non Thai phone number it still works in Thailand but you won't see any users with Thai numbers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2639364]I've never felt unsafe in PP. There are always people in the RLD no matter what time it is. Sure the walk through empty pitch black streets to Cyrcee may be a bit sketch but just take a motorbike for 1 USD instead. Which area(s) are not for the faint hearted? Maybe I haven't been there.

Won't argue about the police though. Get caught for speeding with a taxi driver who drives 140 kmh between Sihanoukville and PP? Pay them 10-20 USD and you're on your way.[/QUOTE]I've never felt unsafe either. You are experienced so you can do it too. But newbies beware, especially around what "Ho" in "PP".

I liked Siem because there was stuff to see and do. But I've been around the block too so the only problem I ever had in Siem was with loser drunken barangs.

Walked around Sukhumvit last night near Sofitel and Hyatt. I saw a ton of freelancers and some looked pretty cute. It's hard to tell in the dark, some wearing masks and not getting a long enough look. Tonight I'll ask about the details on price. I got to be careful, the lady boys are all mixed with the regulars. Anyone else have an experience in this area?

[QUOTE=Hamburgler;2641344]Walked around Sukhumvit last night near Sofitel and Hyatt. I saw a ton of freelancers and some looked pretty cute. It's hard to tell in the dark, some wearing masks and not getting a long enough look. Tonight I'll ask about the details on price. I got to be careful, the lady boys are all mixed with the regulars. Anyone else have an experience in this area?[/QUOTE]That is the ladyboy area. Some girls tucked away on Soi 15 but otherwise I would guess 90% of those are ladyboys. Ladyboys won't allow girls to stand in front of Thermae. Maybe someone in Bangkok now can correct me if things have changed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2641357]That is the ladyboy area. Some girls tucked away on Soi 15 but otherwise I would guess 90% of those are ladyboys. Ladyboys won't allow girls to stand in front of Thermae. Maybe someone in Bangkok now can correct me if things have changed.[/QUOTE]I have seen many real females in front of Thermae during normal times and maybe moreso lately. I have taken some from there as well. Same with that stretch in front of Sofitel and the Hyiatt hotels, although it is true that stretch usually has a higher percentage of ladyboys.

I don't know about one group ostracizing another in that area. The only time I ever noticed some possible evidence of anyone ostracizing anyone else was 2-3 times when clearly above average looking Thermae type girls out there discretely agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP with me at a reasonable rate for such girls of 2,000 baht for a leisurely, no hurry Short Time or 3,000 baht for a Long Time.

I noticed before and after those particular girls apparently violated some unwritten Thermae cardinal rule about BBFS+CIP and doing it with a farang for any reasonable price, they never mingled or sat with the other more Thermae Law-abiding girls.

LOL. But who knows what was really going on or in fact who was ostracizing whom in that case, if at all. It was just an interesting observation.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2641357]That is the ladyboy area. Some girls tucked away on Soi 15 but otherwise I would guess 90% of those are ladyboys. Ladyboys won't allow girls to stand in front of Thermae. Maybe someone in Bangkok now can correct me if things have changed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip brother. Saved me some embarrassment. I made a trip to 7th heaven in the afternoon and was greeted by a lady in the front. She showed me a tablet with around 7 girls. I picked one but she didn't look anything like the photo. I was led up to small room with a bed and a sink. She definitely knew what she was doing. World class BJ and took the whole shot until there was nothing left.

At night I walked to nana plaza. It was pretty busy with around 50 to 60 girls drinking with the guys. There were definitely some cuties. Mama quoted 3,500 baht short time. I had too many beers so I'll go there tomorrow.

3500 bt short term? What a joke! Please don't pay that. Ever!

[QUOTE=Hamburgler;2641738]Thanks for the tip brother. Saved me some embarrassment. I made a trip to 7th heaven in the afternoon and was greeted by a lady in the front. She showed me a tablet with around 7 girls. I picked one but she didn't look anything like the photo. I was led up to small room with a bed and a sink. She definitely knew what she was doing. World class BJ and took the whole shot until there was nothing left.

At night I walked to nana plaza. It was pretty busy with around 50 to 60 girls drinking with the guys. There were definitely some cuties. Mama quoted 3,500 baht short time. I had too many beers so I'll go there tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2641841]3500 bt short term? What a joke! Please don't pay that. Ever![/QUOTE]You can't just make a Blanket Statement like that. Some Girls command more.

I am very likely going to be in BKK sometime within the next two months. I wanted to try something I have never done in my trips to BKK and that is explore the less expensive freelancers in Chinatown. I realize this might be different since COVID, but has anyone ever taken any of these girls? If so could you please post about the exact location to find, the cost, the experience, etc. Thanks in advance.

JB.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2642063]I am very likely going to be in BKK sometime within the next two months. I wanted to try something I have never done in my trips to BKK and that is explore the less expensive freelancers in Chinatown. I realize this might be different since COVID, but has anyone ever taken any of these girls? If so could you please post about the exact location to find, the cost, the experience, etc. Thanks in advance..[/QUOTE]I once thought the Hot Chinese Hookers are based in Chinatown.

What I found were old toothless Thais, wrinkly, big sized, bad skin, graying thinning hair, not exactly Brimming with good personality eating Beetlemuts providers.

Anyone s at w things differently. Maybe I missed the Better places.

Date of time. Awhile ago.

I spent some time in one of the open bars on Soi 4 near Nana. Maybe 10 ladies there, mostly elderly, and the occasional customer drifted in. The ladies seemed to know which customers to ignore.

It's still kind of slow on Soi 4.

[QUOTE=Hamburgler;2641738]She showed me a tablet with around 7 girls. I picked one but she didn't look anything like the photo.[/QUOTE]Next time, ask for a lineup. They will get the girls to come out so you can see them in the flesh.

Photos are for the Japanese, who are way too shy to look at the girls, or even tip for sex (that's why you see all the fully pre-paid places coming up now).

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2642126]I spent some time in one of the open bars on Soi 4 near Nana. Maybe 10 ladies there, mostly elderly, and the occasional customer drifted in. The ladies seemed to know which customers to ignore.

It's still kind of slow on Soi 4.[/QUOTE]More ladies and customers are starting to show up every day. On Tuesday I recognized many ladies that were working inside an agogo when they were open. You didn't post a date that you visited the bar on Soi 4 and I know from your other posts that you're in another province now. So why in the fuck did you post this misleading information now?

Many bars are still slow while others are so crowded it's difficult to find a table. As always at any given time of any day there are multiple hot ladies or nothing but less than desirable ones. The bars on Soi 4 have always been filled with mostly older ladies.

[QUOTE=Hamburgler;2641738]There were definitely some cuties. Mama quoted 3,500 baht short time[/QUOTE]By Mama, I hope you don't talk about the mamasan?

Stay away from these old hags, have a drink with the girl you like and negotiate directly with her. For one, there is no fix price, and second, girls are known to have very flexible pricing.

If she likes you she may make an effort on the price, if she doesn't want to go back 1 hour+ away back into her apartment. She may give you a great price so she can sleep in a clean, air-conditionned room.

She may also give you a high price if she does not want to go with you.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2642063]I am very likely going to be in BKK sometime within the next two months. I wanted to try something I have never done in my trips to BKK and that is explore the less expensive freelancers in Chinatown. I realize this might be different since COVID, but has anyone ever taken any of these girls? If so could you please post about the exact location to find, the cost, the experience, etc. Thanks in advance.

JB.[/QUOTE]Downmarket streetwalker scenes are in Chinatown in a few streets near the traffic circle (22 July Roundaboud, Wongwian 22), and also in several blocks southwest of Khok Wua intersection, not far from Khao San Road.

Going rate 400-700 baht (normally 500) at a nearby ST room (for about 100 baht), but you can make other arrangements if you prefer. Plenty of scary ones, obvious junkies, old women, but there's a number of diamonds in the rough, especially since Covid started and other scenes scaled back or closed down. The average is bad, but if you compare top 30, it's no worse than Sukhumvit, actually some women from Soi 4 ended up there.

Service is not as good as in Farang areas, CBJ, rushed, no GFE, but there are exceptions, and at 500 baht one can afford to miss. Attitudes are slightly better around Khok Wua area than in Chinatown.

Last time, I managed to snag a 9/10 of the kind I never see in Farang areas anymore (all natural, lighter skin, long face, no tats, 25, light makeup, clean, not looking like an obvious hooker). The kind of girl I could go out with, rarity among hookers. She offered 500 baht at a nearby room, but I wanted to take her across town to my place for and paid 1500 for 3 h and 2 shots, a great deal. Had several 500 baht ones prior to that, but local ST hotels are dirty and depressing. Normally I don't care but during Covid I'm extra risk averse.

Speaking basic Thai is a plus, but with some patience, I'm sure you'll manage without it. If you're into cheap streetwalkers, definitely check out those two areas, since Sukhumvit has been terrible during the Covid crisis.

This info is from Feb 2021, things might have changed since then.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2642155]By Mama, I hope you don't talk about the mamasan?

Stay away from these old hags, have a drink with the girl you like and negotiate directly with her. For one, there is no fix price, and second, girls are known to have very flexible pricing.

If she likes you she may make an effort on the price, if she doesn't want to go back 1 hour+ away back into her apartment. She may give you a great price so she can sleep in a clean, air-conditionned room.

She may also give you a high price if she does not want to go with you..[/QUOTE]On the 3500 baht ST rate quoted by a mamasan in Nana Plaza, it may have included the barfine, 500-600 baht or whatever it is there now, and almost certainly a 500 baht share if not more going to the mamasan for hooking up the girl with a customer she, the mamasan, feels ok about. Maybe the girl gets to keep 1,500 - 2,000 when all is said and done. So there can definitely be some flexibility there.

However, for anyone shocked about a 3,500 baht ST quote, I will go on record now to say I have seen girls in the Nana Plaza bar area who in real life right in front of your eyes in the flesh could compete quite well in terms of looks with the doctored photos I've seen of some 4+ or 5 rated girls on Smoochi or other escort services. The ones that start at 3,750 baht for ST without knowing for sure what you're getting looks wise until the hotel door opens and quite probably no chance of anything close to, say, BBFS+CIP even if it provided by surprise in the room for extra baht.

IMO, whether 3,500 baht for ST is shocking or not depends on who the girl is and what she agrees to do for it.

I would also say some of us should not dismiss out of hand the potential value of a mamasan. A good one, that is. Yes, if the primary goal of the customer is to get the lowest price possible and he is perfectly happy with whatever standard fare covered this and that, No to this and No that, pleasant or unpleasant surprise in the room he gets from a "go with the flow" mode or whatever she claims to have understood the negotiation was about in the bar beforehand, then for sure avoid or reject any mamasan intervention.

However, if there is something special the customer wants, something not generally or never on the standard fare menu and that a customer might feel uncomfortable negotiating with a bargirl before taking her or in the room, a good mamasan can smooth the runway by offering you a selection of girls she has already discretely vetted on those things with you from across the room.

For example, some mamasans know I want BBFS+CIP if I'm going to pay a barfine and take one of their girls. For others it might be Anal, a threesome where the girls really are into each other as well as you, rimming, whatever. So in my example the mamasan is likely to go to a new girl I have never seen, met or taken before, point me out to her and ask her if she is up to the idea, while also assuring her that I am not a nut, will not scam her out of a fairly negotiated fee to her and that other girls have been more than delighted to repeat with me any time I want.

If the girl says No, the mamasan will smile and move on to another girl. If that girl says yes, the mamasan will take her by the hand and lead her over to me for my approval before even buying her a Ladydrink. The mamasan will then repeat in English and Thai loud enough for both of us to hear what it is I want and that it is fine with the girl. And I am not talking about the old hag hard cases in the bar. Sometimes, perhaps. But I don't take those.

Now, is something like that fully vetted and agreed to upfront in a bar before you even buy a Ladydrink worth an additional 500 baht over the lower price you could have gotten if you just take your chances with the girl and there is no mamasan intervention and assurances to both you and the girl? For many it would be No. For me the answer is Yes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2642206]On the 3500 baht ST rate quoted by a mamasan in Nana Plaza, it may have included the barfine, 500-600 baht or whatever it is there now, and almost certainly a 500 baht share if not more going to the mamasan for hooking up the girl with a customer she, the mamasan, feels ok about. [/QUOTE]Yes, this is what I'm being told as well. 2500 for the girl, 500 or whatever they think you will pay for BF, another hefty 500 tip for mamasan. Don't forget you have to buy them drinks at 200 baht a piece. Gogo bar pricing and it's not even a gogo bar! It's like paying 3500 baht for a FL.

But even more criminal is that French Fries are 150 baht! Guess it costs a lot for Grab to deliver fries to Nana.

My advice is just talk to the girls and get their Line. They will go with you for 1500-2000 when they're not at the "bar". There are no more contracts where girls have to work 7 or 10 day shifts so you can likely arrange something the following day.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2642206]I would also say some of us should not dismiss out of hand the potential value of a mamasan. A good one, that is. Yes, if the primary goal of the customer is to get the lowest price possible and he is perfectly happy with whatever standard fare covered this and that, No to this and No that, pleasant or unpleasant surprise in the room he gets from a "go with the flow" mode or whatever she claims to have understood the negotiation was about in the bar beforehand, then for sure avoid or reject any mamasan intervention.[/QUOTE]Amen to diversity.

It is my personal experience (but I'm not a bar expert, massage is my poison) that involving mamasans is not a guarantee that the encounter will yield more / better fruit. I find dealing with the girl and paying the girl the extra 500 instead of the mamasan may lead to a better experience.

I am very vanilla compared to you guys, I like my sex straight and protected, so maybe there is less chances for misunderstandings once under the sheets.

My only demand is that I set a minimum time (2 hours minimum) and unlimited pops during that time.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2642193]Downmarket streetwalker scenes are in Chinatown in a few streets near the traffic circle (22 July Roundaboud, Wongwian 22), and also in several blocks southwest of Khok Wua intersection, not far from Khao San Road.

Going rate 400-700 baht (normally 500) at a nearby ST room (for about 100 baht), but you can make other arrangements if you prefer. Plenty of scary ones, obvious junkies, old women, but there's a number of diamonds in the rough, especially since Covid started and other scenes scaled back or closed down. The average is bad, but if you compare top 30, it's no worse than Sukhumvit, actually some women from Soi 4 ended up there.

Service is not as good as in Farang areas, CBJ, rushed, no GFE, but there are exceptions, and at 500 baht one can afford to miss. Attitudes are slightly better around Khok Wua area than in Chinatown.

Last time, I managed to snag a 9/10 of the kind I never see in Farang areas anymore (all natural, lighter skin, long face, no tats, 25, light makeup, clean, not looking like an obvious hooker). The kind of girl I could go out with, rarity among hookers. She offered 500 baht at a nearby room, but I wanted to take her across town to my place for and paid 1500 for 3 h and 2 shots, a great deal. Had several 500 baht ones prior to that, but local ST hotels are dirty and depressing. Normally I don't care but during Covid I'm extra risk averse..[/QUOTE]I'm the Price Police. Someone has to do it.

The world can be coming to an end. You won't get a 9 for 500 baht. Come on.

Price Matters.

Best to stay away from Mamasan, once they like you it's never ending requests for money.

Mama can't judge Chemistry.

If you go to Asian bar a manasan might tell you which one will go with Farang.

You have to remember Mama can't just push Khrap, she is more concerned about the Prostitute s welfare than yours. Not many good ones around. That's where her interests lies.

If you are a regular then they might be of help.

Better to snuggle up to a Trusted barmaid. Very few of those as most are Blabbermouths.

In essence DIY. Do it yourself. You don't want to be indebted to Thais.

[QUOTE=SilviuO;2640157]I will travel to Bangkok, after looong time, at end of January. I was there last time in 2019, in the summer.

I want ask what for a massage saloon suggestion, or blowjob bar, because I think many things change in almost 2 years.[/QUOTE]I was just in this area and can provide a modest update. Lolita's and Kasaloong appear shuttered. Wood is open; I dropped by 2 weeks ago in the afternoon when there were exactly 2 girls lounging on the front porch. Both doable, for the grand price of 700 be. I picked one (Gai) whose BJ was toothy, albeit with a cheerful attitude. I nearly quit partway through but she insisted on persevering. I would not rush back to see her again.

I also visited Duangporn's Haven (it appears to have no sign, so Google Maps is your friend). Four girls, only one doable, so I took her (800 B). Ying has bigger boobs than I usually like (but probably ideal for most) and wore an office girl's pencil skirt I found alluring. Attitude was all professional BJ girl (cheerful, sexy and task-oriented). The rooms there are dismal, but contain a sink for dick washing and a lounger for getting blown in. After a quick cold water washup involving too much soap (ouch), she got down on her knees lick balls, shaft and pretty quickly settled in for a proper BJ, no teeth. She clearly has experience, cause I was pumping a load into her mouth after 5 minutes max. She sucked until I was done unloading and no longer. Then she was off to the sink to hoark and spit! Another washup and I visited the toilet for my requisite post-BJ pee; the facilities were some of the worst I've ever seen (filthy, no door, mossies, etc), but a guy's got to stay safe.

I scoped out 7-Heaven but did not go inside. It has moved across the Soi so one can hope that some improvement to the facilities resulted, but don't count on it! Their lineup is usually quite strong and service is exemplary. Worth testing them out, especially if you're up for the higher price tag (1400, I think).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2642325]Yes, this is what I'm being told as well. 2500 for the girl, 500 or whatever they think you will pay for BF, another hefty 500 tip for mamasan. Don't forget you have to buy them drinks at 200 baht a piece. Gogo bar pricing and it's not even a gogo bar! It's like paying 3500 baht for a FL.

But even more criminal is that French Fries are 150 baht! Guess it costs a lot for Grab to deliver fries to Nana.

My advice is just talk to the girls and get their Line. They will go with you for 1500-2000 when they're not at the "bar". There are no more contracts where girls have to work 7 or 10 day shifts so you can likely arrange something the following day.[/QUOTE]Last night I was in one of the more popular Soi 7 bars with a regular, mostly non pro, part time girlfriend of mine and the Thai lady owner of the bar, who my part time GF and I know well, was in hushed conference with 3-4 girls who work in that bar regularly and who kept gesturing toward a dude who was simply strolling around and chatting with a girl here and there. She shared what the buzz was about with me and my GF. It seems that customer was roaming around in and out of the bars and kept coming back to this bar to, guess what, hit on the girls to get their Line info in order to meet them afterwards and skip out on the barfine. Imagine that?

LOL. Really, I'd never observed this kind of concern over that move, or any concern about it before other than some places that frown on the sight of a customer and girl tapping info into their phones together. It was disturbing enough for the girls themselves to report it to the owner of the bar! And the owner was naturally pissed off about it. Consequently, the guy was getting the cold shoulder by all. He was a rather ordinary looking farang dude in pretty good physical condition, maybe late 40's.

I don't know if this was a 1 in 100 situation or if the Bangkok bar owners and girls in these times have decided they want the bars to stay open and thrive, get the barfines they're asking for, keep the Ladydrinks flowing, make money and keep the doors open so to speak and not turn every girl who wants to work in these kind of venues into a ThaiFriendly / Tinder freelancer or a street girl. Who knows.

I must say I have felt a bit more of a "By The Book" vibe in some of these bars since they reopened after almost 2 years of whipsaw brief openings and much longer closures while the rents kept coming due. By that, I mean less inclination to work around the bar system and meet before or after hours, skip any Ladydrink purchases at all just to go with a customer, leave early in the evening for Long Time and stuff like that.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2642367]I'm the Price Police. Someone has to do it.

The world can be coming to an end. You won't get a 9 for 500 baht. Come on.

Price Matters.[/QUOTE]His 9 may not be your 9.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2642520] He was a rather ordinary looking farang dude in pretty good physical condition, maybe late 40's.[/QUOTE]You caught me! My comb over is stylish though, isn't it?

Many of the Asian gogo bars in Pattaya at least are pretty anal about guys getting Line ID's and skipping barfines. A few girls say no when I ask them the first time but after they see me in the bar a couple/few nights they're giving me their Line ID's without me asking again.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2642568]You caught me! My comb over is stylish though, isn't it?

Many of the Asian gogo bars in Pattaya at least are pretty anal about guys getting Line ID's and skipping barfines. A few girls say no when I ask them the first time but after they see me in the bar a couple/few nights they're giving me their Line ID's without me asking again.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am sure it is after they realize that you have at least paid something to help keep their place of business open and will again.

The guy I mentioned is apparently well known to avoid paying anything at the bar, not buying any drinks even for himself. So none of the girls want to be seen walking around with him during off hours.

Thanks for all your reports, very useful!

Out of all the experiences you had, what would you say are the top 3 your recommend? Traveling in 1 week, looking forward to it. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Thomas9;2634375]Day 19.

Mitu / SOAP ([URL]http://mitubangkok.com/[/URL]) - 90 minute 4-hand nuru / 7600.

Contacted Mitu to suggest another pair for a 4-hand massage. Ended up booking Rui (A) and Paris (O).

I would rate Rui's nuru skills as excellent, almost on par with Kaede's and Pero's. Paris was good, but a little mechanical by comparison. Rui has delightfully smooth skin, although I suspect you'd only be able to detect the difference by having one of them in each hand!

The ladies showered and washed me, and each other off, and then provided some reasonable BBBJ before all of us got onto the mat. Lots of slip and sliding, with Rui using her tongue to pay particular attention to my feet and toes. Paris rimmed me for a while, but not as deep or intense as Kaede had.

The ladies were only slightly interactive, happy to DFK me but not each other. Asian cowgirl with both girls in turn, before a lovely sloppy HJ from Rui into Paris' mouth. No swallow, unfortunately..[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2642520]It seems that customer was roaming around in and out of the bars and kept coming back to this bar to, guess what, hit on the girls to get their Line info in order to meet them afterwards and skip out on the barfine. Imagine that?[/QUOTE]This should not come as a surprise, it's been done and going on for decades. Maybe not as "tech" oriented as sharing LINE contact, but the whole "let's meet after if you're not barfined" is not new.

I remember NEP thriving at 2 am with all the girls that didn't get barfines (or back from a ST and looking for a place to spend the night) and the punters that would negotiate ST prices for a LT stay.

The girls, mamasans and bar owners better get used to it, this behavior is not going to stop, maybe made more obvious now with the rise of technology.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2642645]This should not come as a surprise, it's been done and going on for decades. Maybe not as "tech" oriented as sharing LINE contact, but the whole "let's meet after if you're not barfined" is not new.

I remember NEP thriving at 2 am with all the girls that didn't get barfines (or back from a ST and looking for a place to spend the night) and the punters that would negotiate ST prices for a LT stay.

The girls, mamasans and bar owners better get used to it, this behavior is not going to stop, maybe made more obvious now with the rise of technology.[/QUOTE]Great Post.

Notice he says girls who didn't get Barfined during normal hours.

Say 500 sets of eyeballs saw each unfined girl and they couldn't get a Horny Barfine. This just destroys the Beholder of the eye theory.

Bottom 65% of girls just can't compete with the top 40% if they charge the same price.

Now attach this to the guy who says he gets hot Pattaya Bargirls who work the tip top agogos at 500 baht. See the connection.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2642645]This should not come as a surprise, it's been done and going on for decades. Maybe not as "tech" oriented as sharing LINE contact, but the whole "let's meet after if you're not barfined" is not new.

I remember NEP thriving at 2 am with all the girls that didn't get barfines (or back from a ST and looking for a place to spend the night) and the punters that would negotiate ST prices for a LT stay.

The girls, mamasans and bar owners better get used to it, this behavior is not going to stop, maybe made more obvious now with the rise of technology.[/QUOTE]Used to love walking down Cowboy or being outside Nana when the bars closed back in the early 00's. It was just amazing. Always a buyer's market with hordes of gals out to find a customer. "Go with you" was heard a hundred times. Good days those were.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2642660]Used to love walking down Cowboy or being outside Nana when the bars closed back in the early 00's. It was just amazing. Always a buyer's market with hordes of gals out to find a customer. "Go with you" was heard a hundred times. Good days those were.[/QUOTE]Big McMeal in whenever $5.99. Now approaching $10.99.

Back then Hot girl was 1,500 her fee, barfine not included.

Somewhere in today's metaverse fee is 3,000 baht.

I don't get it. Why are people so opposed to today's Hooker prices. Their costs have gone up too.

[QUOTE=John94;2642637]Thanks for all your reports, very useful!

Out of all the experiences you had, what would you say are the top 3 your recommend? Traveling in 1 week, looking forward to it. Thanks![/QUOTE]Depends on what you're after. If time is short for you, book ahead so you make sure you get who you want.

For me, it'd be, in order:

- Soapy / nuru: Mitu.

- Sweet GFE pampering: Momo or Mai Chan.

- PSE milking table: Analisa's.

- Roll the dice: FL off Sukhumvit or Smooci.

I'd also make sure to book in for a 2 hour Thai massage at one of the legit establishments (Lek, Asia Herb, etc.) - sex is fun, but a good Thai massage is heavenly, and usually expensive outside of Thailand.

Hope restrictions are not too heavy while you're there. A few ladies I've remained in contact with over Line have told me they've gone back home due to lack of customers and fear of covid.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2642690]Big McMeal in whenever $5.99. Now approaching $10.99.

Back then Hot girl was 1,500 her fee, barfine not included.

Somewhere in today's metaverse fee is 3,000 baht.

I don't get it. Why are people so opposed to today's Hooker prices. Their costs have gone up too.[/QUOTE]I didn't see anywhere is mentioned or complaining about price, but was just reminiscing of some good memories he had!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2642590]The guy I mentioned is apparently well known to avoid paying anything at the bar, not buying any drinks even for himself. So none of the girls want to be seen walking around with him during off hours.[/QUOTE]Perception is everything. Even if the guy bought a drink for himself and sat down but no lady drinks, girls would still hesitate to go with him in normal times because they think he is a Cheap Charlie and they won't get a tip over the negotiated price. They're also not making money on lady drinks.

Seen enough guys sit in a gogo bar who do not buy lady drinks and wonder why he isn't getting any attention. Same guy goes to the same gogo bar for a few days in a row spending 2-3 k per night on lady drinks will have a swarm of girls by week's end. I've tried this myself.

[QUOTE=Hamburgler;2641738]Thanks for the tip brother. Saved me some embarrassment. I made a trip to 7th heaven in the afternoon and was greeted by a lady in the front. She showed me a tablet with around 7 girls. I picked one but she didn't look anything like the photo. I was led up to small room with a bed and a sink. She definitely knew what she was doing. World class BJ and took the whole shot until there was nothing left.

At night I walked to nana plaza. It was pretty busy with around 50 to 60 girls drinking with the guys. There were definitely some cuties. Mama quoted 3,500 baht short time. I had too many beers so I'll go there tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I think you saw the infamous mamasan that has worked at a lot of bars in Nana. Everyone that has been to Nana Plaza would know who she is. I saw her working at Twister, Nana Plaza about 3 weeks ago and would bet you spoke to her. I have heard her same the exact quote from her many times over the years.

She was at Billboard 3 years ago and Random when it first opened in June 2020.

She quotes that exact same rate to anyone she has not seen at Nana before. It includes the bar fine plus the lady. Once she has seen you once or twice she will stop this nonsense as she assumes you know the score. However she will have her hand out for a tip or try to pull some other annoying little hussle.

Just completely ignore her, she adds nothing to the process and negotiate directly with the girl. In reality, only the best 20% of girls are going to be able to get maybe the standard precovid rate 3000 short term / 6000 long term .

Standard rate for an average girl around soi 4/7/8/11 is probably 1500 to 2000 short term. That is for a 5 or 6. Any girl that is really pretty will try and get 3000, however at the moment everything is negotiable. She would want to be InstaHo hot to get anything near 3000 at the moment.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2642803]Perception is everything. Even if the guy bought a drink for himself and sat down but no lady drinks, girls would still hesitate to go with him in normal times because they think he is a Cheap Charlie and they won't get a tip over the negotiated price. They're also not making money on lady drinks.

Seen enough guys sit in a gogo bar who do not buy lady drinks and wonder why he isn't getting any attention. Same guy goes to the same gogo bar for a few days in a row spending 2-3 k per night on lady drinks will have a swarm of girls by week's end. I've tried this myself.[/QUOTE]To each their own.

When I go to a Gogo bar, I usually order a water and am picky about who I buy lady drinks to. I have the disposable income, but I prefer to spend it on who I like rather than spraying it to attract fake unneeded attention from girls I am not interested in.

If you are respectful and let your preference known, you're all good with your 1 drink for the girl you want to know better.

If I don't see any girls I fancy or am interested talking to, I move to another bar.

Some guys splurge, spend and have a great time doing it, good for them, if that makes them happy.

Your money, your decision.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2642838]To each their own.

When I go to a Gogo bar, I usually order a water and am picky about who I buy lady drinks to. I have the disposable income, but I prefer to spend it on who I like rather than spraying it to attract fake unneeded attention from girls I am not interested in.

If you are respectful and let your preference known, you're all good with your 1 drink for the girl you want to know better.

If I don't see any girls I fancy or am interested talking to, I move to another bar.

Some guys splurge, spend and have a great time doing it, good for them, if that makes them happy.

Your money, your decision.[/QUOTE]I lean towards cheap Charlie-ism myself. We pay the Bills. The profits come from the Hoi Poilloi. Similar to casino business model. The masses pay for the electric, etc. The whales enable dividends payouts etc. Also referred to as Profits.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2642690]Big McMeal in whenever $5.99. Now approaching $10.99.

Back then Hot girl was 1,500 her fee, barfine not included.

Somewhere in today's metaverse fee is 3,000 baht.

I don't get it. Why are people so opposed to today's Hooker prices. Their costs have gone up too.[/QUOTE]And now online a very hot girl is 1200 to 1500 Baht for 60 min one shot, including the room, and many times it's a very nice room. No BF and no lady drinks. And you don't have to sit in a loud bar with less than desirable music drinking the local swill or a weak mixed drink at crazy prices. Can have a great craft at a nice bar for that then go out and tear one off. I have no idea why people will pay the inflated prices on soi 7 and the like for girls who are really not that attractive. If they were gorgeous and performers then I could see it. I've had the prettiest girls in my 20 plus years here from online sites in the past 10 months and the majority of them perform better than most go go girls I've been with and a few were pure PSE Tulip style experiences. And my average price is 2,000 Baht for 2 hours two shots. But I do acknowledge that it's different for those of us who live here. You'll find very few long-term residents hanging out in the Nana or Cowboy bars. When we want to get laid we go online or to a massage parlor and when we want to hang out with our friends we go someplace where we can have a nice drink and talk. And of course we're price conscious. I imagine you are as well in your home country.

BTW, cost of a Big Mac meal isn't 11 bucks here.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2642787]I didn't see anywhere is mentioned or complaining about price, but was just reminiscing of some good memories he had![/QUOTE]Actually if you read his many posts on the topic. Let's say he is highly concerned.

He is way past the are word.

Bros,

Old sayings go. Either you know or don't know. Either you can or you cannot. Surprise. They both often go hand in hand. If you eat at Terminal 21 food court. You can pay 10 baht for cold Nestle bottled water. But did you know there is also a very cold filtered water dispenser with the your choice of price of nada, zippo, or free? The mind is a terrible thing to waist or hip ratio.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2642860]I've had the prettiest girls in my 20 plus years here from online sites in the past 10 months and the majority of them perform better than most go go girls I've been with and a few were pure PSE Tulip style experiences. And my average price is 2,000 Baht for 2 hours two shots. [/QUOTE]I have to agree, there seem to be an aversion towards online girls here. Be it Fiwfans, Tinder, TFF, Badoo, I find the girls a lot better than your run-of-the-mill BG in attitude both on and off the sack.

The issue with non P4 P girls is that they are very easy to fall in love and another set of issues arise but that's not for discussion in a sex forum LOL.

[QUOTE]But I do acknowledge that it's different for those of us who live here. You'll find very few long-term residents hanging out in the Nana or Cowboy bars. When we want to get laid we go online or to a massage parlor and when we want to hang out with our friends we go someplace where we can have a nice drink and talk.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head here. I abhor beer bars, the whole aggressive atmosphere of it all (loud music, loud punters, loud half buzzed / drunk girls, pressure from mamasans or staff for you to drink faster or buy LD.). I much prefer the comfort of a nice place, where I can be and behave like a normal human being.

Maybe I am getting old, but even when I came to Thailand in my late 20's, I didn't enjoy the bar scene (back then was worse, all bars allowed smoking inside).

I understand some people like it, and good for them, we should not all like the same things.

Looking for hot girls and for something more towards jap style Entertainment. I've seen Kokoro and Doki Doki who seem to be on the same page. Any recommendations for either one or maybe there are better places?

[QUOTE=BHawk;2643016]Looking for hot girls and for something more towards jap style Entertainment. I've seen Kokoro and Doki Doki who seem to be on the same page. Any recommendations for either one or maybe there are better places?[/QUOTE]My list in order of preference: SOAP, Kokoro, Doki Doki. SOAP is the most expensive, but it was also the best "nuru porn" experience.

If it's not stricly nuru that you're after, then Momo or Daisy Dream would give you a great experience. "Pretty Massage" (next to Momo) apparently also does nuru, but I never had time to investigate. If anyone tries this out, please leave a report!

See my previous reports for more details on all of these. Would suggest contacting them all ahead of time to book the lady / ladies you like the look of.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=BHawk;2643016]Looking for hot girls and for something more towards jap style Entertainment. I've seen Kokoro and Doki Doki who seem to be on the same page. Any recommendations for either one or maybe there are better places?[/QUOTE]Doki is 3200 if you make a reservation in advance, Kokoro is 3500. Rooms are nicer in Kokoro (sometimes there's no regular rooms avail and they charge you +500 for a VIP room which is not worth it). Service and experience seems to be similar in both. I would say the ladies look slightly better at Kokoro. Location is worse however. The receptionist at Kokoro was doki's old receptionist I think. Soap / Mitu is also still around. Good looking girls with better nuru experience but more expensive and shorter session. If you're looking for quality and not value ID go soap / mitu. Tossup between Kokoro and doki imo.

I am arriving in a week guys! Let me know some good spots to find the Chinese type fair chicks please.

If Delta did not kill us then how can Omicron do it. I am happy at the way Thailand government is acting mature at this point. I think they are pressured by the hotels and bars lobby to keep the inflow of tourists.

Any suggestions? I am all ears.

[QUOTE=Visal;2643351]I am arriving in a week guys! Let me know some good spots to find the Chinese type fair chicks please.[/QUOTE]In normal times, all you would have had to do was follow a group of young Korean or Japanese guys at 8 pm. Pick any group they're all headed to the same places. Thaniya Road, top gogo bars like Baccara, Rainbow 4, King's Castle 2 where you see 95% Japanese and Korean, karaoke bars, Thermae, A few select oilies and soapies around Suk 24, Thai bars and discos.

PM some guys here who say they are in Bangkok and I'm certain most would be more than happy to show you around.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2643425]In normal times, all you would have had to do was follow a group of young Korean or Japanese guys at 8 pm. Pick any group they're all headed to the same places. Thaniya Road, top gogo bars like Baccara, Rainbow 4, King's Castle 2 where you see 95% Japanese and Korean, karaoke bars, Thermae, A few select oilies and soapies around Suk 24, Thai bars and discos.

PM some guys here who say they are in Bangkok and I'm certain most would be more than happy to show you around.[/QUOTE]They are nowhere to be found. They be back when Japanese, Koreans, Hong Kong-ans, Singaporean s come back.

I've been told the quality of tourists currently arriving are not to their liking.

[QUOTE=Visal;2643351]I am arriving in a week guys! Let me know some good spots to find the Chinese type fair chicks please.

If Delta did not kill us then how can Omicron do it. I am happy at the way Thailand government is acting mature at this point. I think they are pressured by the hotels and bars lobby to keep the inflow of tourists.

Any suggestions? I am all ears.[/QUOTE]I have word from high level supervisor s that the light skinnards aren't coming back till the Japanese and Koreans and Singapore and come back en masses.

The guys currently jumping thru the hoops to get in are not worth the Trouble.

[QUOTE=Visal;2643351]I am arriving in a week guys! Let me know some good spots to find the Chinese type fair chicks please.

If Delta did not kill us then how can Omicron do it. I am happy at the way Thailand government is acting mature at this point. I think they are pressured by the hotels and bars lobby to keep the inflow of tourists.

Any suggestions? I am all ears.[/QUOTE]Plenty of gals like this online.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2643521]I have word from high level supervisor s that the light skinnards aren't coming back till the Japanese and Koreans and Singapore and come back en masses.

The guys currently jumping thru the hoops to get in are not worth the Trouble.[/QUOTE]This is your high level stuporvisor?

Or the high level stuporvisor of the Light Skin Girls Union?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2643425]In normal times, all you would have had to do was follow a group of young Korean or Japanese guys at 8 pm. Pick any group they're all headed to the same places. Thaniya Road, top gogo bars like Baccara, Rainbow 4, King's Castle 2 where you see 95% Japanese and Korean, karaoke bars, Thermae, A few select oilies and soapies around Suk 24, Thai bars and discos.

PM some guys here who say they are in Bangkok and I'm certain most would be more than happy to show you around.[/QUOTE]Things must've changed, when I was at Baccara and Rainbow4 last, the girls were far from your light skinned Chinese pretties. Were they prettier than other gogos? Maybe, but still your very average looking Thai girl, most of whom I wouldn't give a second look if met in the light of day.

Same goes for Massages around 24. Angels used to have "on paper" the pretty girls but "in-the-flesh" they were just average.

The real Chinese looking pretties will not be caught anywhere near P4 P places. They will be online, or in the shortlist of a high-end mamasan, for Thai old rich guys.

Guys that will make them a Gik and buy them an iphone, Airpods or a Chanel bag. NOT at all our market.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2643685]The real Chinese looking pretties will not be caught anywhere near P4 P places. They will be online, or in the shortlist of a high-end mamasan, for Thai old rich guys.

Guys that will make them a Gik and buy them an iphone, Airpods or a Chanel bag. NOT at all our market.[/QUOTE]At the minimum. The vast majority ethnic Chinese born in Thailand are upper middle or upper class. Its very rare for them to get into the game in any way. Other than the rare one at a nice soapy its more likely they work as "pretties" who don't do entertain (drink) and definitely don't do VIP (fuck). I know, because I prefer them and had access to agents in the past. Unless you're old its easier to just try and date a Thai- Chinese girl than it is to find one P4P LOL.

My post is relatively speaking. Thai girls are dark skinned with very few exceptions. If you want white skinned Asians, go to Japan or Korea or even Canada. Go to China or Hong Kong. Maybe Vietnam if you need to stay in SEA. In general they are dark in Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Cambodia, and other poor SEA p4 p countries.

Northwest, Chiang Rai / Mai, have the most gorgeous girls in the country. It's cold, their skin is very fair and IMHO are far and away the most beautiful girls in all of Thailand. Used to be they'd congregate in the soapys on Ratchada but with Covid and RE prices in that area I hear there are a lot of hard times for businesses like that in the area. Can't wait to get back and figure out where they've gone.

Ask a Thai what he likes and where to find it, that'll be where the prettiest girls are. Unfortunately they usually have the least chance of speaking an international language so you'll rarely find them in the beer bars or typical faramg mongering spots and you need some basic Thai at least but God damn is it worth it. Probably 3 of the top 5 most gorgeous girls I've ever had sex with were from NW Thailand and I'm partial to European slavs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2643736]My post is relatively speaking. Thai girls are dark skinned with very few exceptions. If you want white skinned Asians, go to Japan or Korea or even Canada. Go to China or Hong Kong. Maybe Vietnam if you need to stay in SEA. In general they are dark in Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Cambodia, and other poor SEA p4 p countries.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2643736]My post is relatively speaking. Thai girls are dark skinned with very few exceptions. If you want white skinned Asians, go to Japan or Korea or even Canada. Go to China or Hong Kong. Maybe Vietnam if you need to stay in SEA. In general they are dark in Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Cambodia, and other poor SEA p4 p countries.[/QUOTE]It's all relative. The average Thai lady is much lighter than those down by Malaysia.

Of course, in a gogo, it's hard to gauge skin color due to the lighting.

In general, I don't think about skin color unless they are really dark. And I don't really care, if they are dark, it's all good to me.

And I generally fuck with the lights off.

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I remember my first visit to Thailand several years ago and walking into a mall where there were a large congregation of Thai women watching a demonstration with models exhibiting how to use facial cream that would make your face and skin whiter. It was not first time that I would see this display and that's when I discovered there is a prejudice here towards darker skin folk. Kind of amazing when you think about it.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2643966]I remember my first visit to Thailand several years ago and walking into a mall where there were a large congregation of Thai women watching a demonstration with models exhibiting how to use facial cream that would make your face and skin whiter. It was not first time that I would see this display and that's when I discovered there is a prejudice here towards darker skin folk. Kind of amazing when you think about it.[/QUOTE]Yes, similar stuff is sold online by several of the non-P4P Thai women that I know. There are also many who refuse to be in the sun between 8 AM and 4 PM because they want to keep their skin light. They don't want to look like poor farm girl.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2643966] that's when I discovered there is a prejudice here towards darker skin folk. Kind of amazing when you think about it.[/QUOTE]Being darker skinned is a sign of being poor for some Asian countries. Poor people have to work outside while the rich have indoor office jobs or do not have to work. This is why you will see Asian girls carry an open umbrella when it's sunny outside. This is especially prevalent in Hong Kong and China. It's odd that in Western culture being tanned is a sign of looking better and wealth.

Yes, Thai girls buy that white powder and cream to make their skin look whiter. It's a huge business in Thailand.

- to Poseidon or Nataree in terms of the soapy experience?

By the way, I really like Analisa too for the PSE milking table threesome experience.

Also, other compelling sexperiences one might consider are Lolitas Blowjob Bar and Eden Club.

Last time at Eden, pre-pandemic, I got two ladies for a double BBBJ, rim / BBBJ combo, alternate fucking, fucking while getting pegged, greek, girl on girl, MSOG, no limits, true PSE, totally mind-blowing! FYI, usually Mick forces you to pick one you like and she picks an older sister who has more "experience" to choreograph the scene. However, I learned by chatting up and being nice to Mick, the proprietor he let me pick two younger ones. This led to an exceptionally good time.

Finally, who are Momo and May Chan? Are they by some miracle still around?



[QUOTE=Thomas9;2642779]Depends on what you're after. If time is short for you, book ahead so you make sure you get who you want.

For me, it'd be, in order:

- Soapy / nuru: Mitu.

- Sweet GFE pampering: Momo or Mai Chan.

- PSE milking table: Analisa's.

- Roll the dice: FL off Sukhumvit or Smooci.

I'd also make sure to book in for a 2 hour Thai massage at one of the legit establishments (Lek, Asia Herb, etc.) - sex is fun, but a good Thai massage is heavenly, and usually expensive outside of Thailand.

Hope restrictions are not too heavy while you're there. A few ladies I've remained in contact with over Line have told me they've gone back home due to lack of customers and fear of covid.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

I'm coming into Bangkok 2 Jan., what's it like right now? And most importantly which area would you say has the best nightlife ATM in Bangkok, is soi cowboy etc still going.

Is rca still going strong along with khao san etc as I want to figure out where to book, I'm looking at sukhumvidt ATM.

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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2644027]Being darker skinned is a sign of being poor for some Asian countries. Poor people have to work outside while the rich have indoor office jobs or do not have to work. This is why you will see Asian girls carry an open umbrella when it's sunny outside. This is especially prevalent in Hong Kong and China. It's odd that in Western culture being tanned is a sign of looking better and wealth.

Yes, Thai girls buy that white powder and cream to make their skin look whiter. It's a huge business in Thailand.[/QUOTE]In fact it was the same in western countries. At least mine (France) - before the 20th century, and for the same reason: tanned people were the farmer, so they are poor and not desirable.

Things changed in France and in some other European country) when people started to have leisure and holidays, especially since at the same time the doctors said the sun ans sport were good for health, so people started doing sport and other outdoor activities. And then a tanned skin was associated with healthy (and of course wealthy) people.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2644304]- to Poseidon or Nataree in terms of the soapy experience?

By the way, I really like Analisa too for the PSE milking table threesome experience.

Also, other compelling sexperiences one might consider are Lolitas Blowjob Bar and Eden Club.

Last time at Eden, pre-pandemic, I got two ladies for a double BBBJ, rim / BBBJ combo, alternate fucking, fucking while getting pegged, greek, girl on girl, MSOG, no limits, true PSE, totally mind-blowing! FYI, usually Mick forces you to pick one you like and she picks an older sister who has more "experience" to choreograph the scene. However, I learned by chatting up and being nice to Mick, the proprietor he let me pick two younger ones. This led to an exceptionally good time.

Finally, who are Momo and May Chan? Are they by some miracle still around?[/QUOTE]From everything I've read and heard Eden is closed but supposedly they will reopen in a new location when there are less restrictions in the future.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2644304]- to Poseidon or Nataree in terms of the soapy experience?[/QUOTE]I'd say Mitu is more expensive, and no fishbowl selection, but some perfect nuru providers.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2644304]By the way, I really like Analisa too for the PSE milking table threesome experience.[/QUOTE]It was one of my favourite venues while visiting.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2644304]Also, other compelling sexperiences one might consider are Lolitas Blowjob Bar and Eden Club.[/QUOTE]Alas, both were closed when I was last in BKK in November.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2644304]Finally, who are Momo and May Chan? Are they by some miracle still around?[/QUOTE]They're massage shops, and were open in November, although staff sometimes were limited. Aimed at Japanese clients rather than Westerners, but some lovely GFE was provided.

Check my previous posts "Tom's Thai Trip" for details on some of the sessions at Mitu, Momo and Mai Chan. Looking forward to hearing more. Hopefuly positive. Updates in 2022.

[QUOTE=SaltyDays;2644427]Hi guys,

I'm coming into Bangkok 2 Jan., what's it like right now? And most importantly which area would you say has the best nightlife ATM in Bangkok, is soi cowboy etc still going.

Is rca still going strong along with khao san etc as I want to figure out where to book, I'm looking at sukhumvidt ATM.[/QUOTE]You mention RCA and Khaosan Road, which suggests you might be into the nightclub and social scene more than or as well as a direct Freelancer, Bargirl P4 P scene, right? If so, I don't have much input to offer on that since the former is not really my thing. I'm not even sure how Khaosan Road has worked its way into the list of options of late in terms of Freelancers, Bargirls and the typical Lower Sukhumvit P4 P vibe and opportunities since, to my mind, it was and still is mostly a family-friendly, touristy restaurant and loud bar area where we go to check out chubby European pack-packer girls with, for the most part, their very tall European back-packer boyfriends.

Yes, there is a nearby very low end street girl scene on the other side of Ratchadamnoen Klang Ave. But I wouldn't recommend any punter I know to book a hotel room in that area just to be near it. There are also a couple of very Thai-centric nightclubs inside the small and narrow Susie Walking Street short cut between Khaosan Road and Rambuttri Road. But unless you are a 20-something year old Thai boy, I wouldn't recommend trying to score a fuck there. I don't know. Maybe I'm missing some age-old secret hooker draw in the Khaosan Road area that everyone else has known about but me. If so, please disregard my comments about it and enjoy.

But on the biggest, most visible and easily accessible live-and-in-the-flesh Freelancer and Bargirl options, the choices in Bangkok at the moment are, with 1 being the biggest:

1. Sukhumvit Sois 4, 6, 7, 8 and 11.

2. Soi Cowboy.

3. Patpong 1 and 2.

Moving from the bottom up, Patpong 1 and 2 are beginning to show more signs of life, but are still mostly dark with only a handful of bars open and operating as beer bars, not go-go bars. I would find the pickings to be too small to choose a hotel room nearby just to be close to it.

Soi Cowboy is beginning to rock a lot more lately since they have followed suit with the Soi 4/ Nana Plaza format of converting some of their go-go bars into patio beer bars in order to deal with the Covid restrictions.

But the Sukhumvit Sois 4, 6, 7, 8 and 11 area is still the area going strongest now in terms of live-and-in-the-flesh Freelancers, Bargirls, customers and party vibe.

The distance between Soi Cowboy and, at the furthest point from there in this part of Bangkok, Soi 4, is so minor it almost wouldn't matter which side your hotel favored. If you're staying closer to Soi Cowboy then you would also be closer to those Happy Ending faux massage shops in the Soi 22 and up area. But, again, that isn't my thing so I can't offer much info on it.

I should also mention that the number of girls and customers in the Sukhumvit Sois 4, etc area was down this past Christmas weekend, during this week and is likely to be down this coming New Years Eve / Day weekend. Much of that is because many of the girls return to their province to be with their family for New Years Eve / Day and may have left earlier last weekend. But some of it could also be new fears about a potential Omicron variant spread. Hard to say. I rarely meet a Bargirl or Freelancer anymore who doesn't brag about having been vaccinated already and some are even going for a booster shot. So there is concern about it. But I also no longer hear stories about this or that friend or relative being stricken with serious illness due to Covid, which I assume is a positive by-product of all the vaccinating that has been going on in Bangkok.

As far as a comparison of the girls and party activities between those Sois 4, etc and Soi Cowboy, I can only offer this personal anecdote from last night. I cruised down Soi Cowboy last night about 8:30 PM and was enthusiastically flagged down by a Soi Cowboy go-go dancer I had recently taken from the temporarily converted Nana Plaza ground level beer bar area a couple of times looking sexy enough to buy a drink for her, pay the 700 baht barfine and bring her back to my apartment for a Short Time. Now, when I took her from the Nana Plaza bar area, our ST was just fine, no hassles, no unpleasant surprises, this early 20's year old, fit hard body, smooth skin honey was as sweet and accommodating in my bed as I would ever have wanted.

However, I swear there is something about that Soi Cowboy area that has always reeked of scam to me. And, sure enough, simply because I took her from a line up of girls standing outside her Soi Cowboy go-go bar instead of the Sois 4, etc area, she behaved completely different in my bed. And not for the better. She started resisting DFK and BBBJ as mere foreplay. Mind you, this girl was all over me after our first ST a few weeks back to please, please repeat with her. As she did last night on Soi Cowboy. But this night in my bed, after she moved her business location from the Nana area to Soi Cowboy where she danced in a go-go bar pre-Covid, she turned into just another, imo, Soi Cowboy bullshitter. I aborted the mission after about 6 minutes of her bullshit, got up, we got dressed, I put an overly generous 500 baht next to her purse for her time and nakedness and waved bye-bye at my apartment door.

I then went back out to cruise through the Soi 7 bar collection area, spied an adorable little cutie I'd only nodded and smiled Hello to in passing a couple of weeks ago and this time decided to respond to her encouragement to sit for one drink. Very quickly I vetted her for BBFS+CIP, yes or no. She gave me the right answer, Yes, and so I paid the barfine and took her back to my room. That's right, I took a girl from the now infamously "horrendous" quality line up of girls from those Soi 7 bars.

All I can say is, this "horrendous" sweetheart was even more adorable completely naked in my bed, her lovely light skin as smooth as satin, cute as hell face and kissable lips, a slim, well proportioned, all natural body and candy apple butt no bigger than two handfuls. In the USA, she would have been carded to assure she was old enough to enter a bar. I think she was probably mid-20's at the most. Completely responsive and cooperative for DFK, her BBBJ felt like real love, she and I both relished my few moments of DATY before I entered that delicious, snug snatch and pumped on into paradise and a mind-blowing Real Sex finish. We exchanged Line info afterwards and I have gotten several Love, Kisses and Hearts stickers ever since. I will definitely repeat.

I only offer that personal anecdote to underscore what I have found over the years to be a strange "bar culture" difference between Soi Cowboy and the Nana bar areas. For whatever weird reason, taking a girl in Soi Cowboy has always meant an extra risk of scam and bullshit in the room. Swear to god, even with a girl I had taken earlier from the Nana area with no problems at all! LOL. Go figure. I do believe girls alter their behavior and style to fit whatever level of scam or, on the other side, good customer relations seems to be the culture of a particular bar area. In fact, it even shows up from bar to bar. And last night was about as exemplary a case in point to substantiate that belief as any I have experienced in a long while.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2644605]...
But on the biggest, most visible and easily accessible live-and-in-the-flesh Freelancer and Bargirl options, the choices in Bangkok at the moment are, with 1 being the biggest:

1. Sukhumvit Sois 4, 6, 7, 8 and 11.

2. Soi Cowboy.

3. Patpong 1 and 2.

...But the Sukhumvit Sois 4, 6, 7, 8 and 11 area is still the area going strongest now in terms of live-and-in-the-flesh Freelancers, Bargirls, customers and party vibe...[/QUOTE]Nice intel. Thanks for taking the time and writing this report.

BMA closes pubs, bars, karaokes, massage parlours until January 15.

[URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/in-focus/40010576[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2644605]...As far as a comparison of the girls and party activities between those Sois 4, etc and Soi Cowboy, I can only offer this personal anecdote from last night..[/QUOTE]I forgot to report more info on what was discussed pre-barfine and what I paid the girls I took last night in addition to the 700 baht barfine for each.

The girl I took from Soi Cowboy who was sweet and accommodating the first 2 times I took her from the Nana bar area over the past few weeks but reverted back to her, in my experience, typically troublesome bullshitter Soi Cowboy ways in bed never quoted a price any of the times I took her and seemed more than fine with the 1,500 baht for Short Time I gave her previously. She also seemed understanding and accepting of the 500 baht I gave her last night when I aborted the mission pre penetration due to her crap attitude.

The totally accommodating sweetie from the Soi 7 bar also did not mention money or quote a price beforehand and I gave her 1,500 baht for our Short Time. Then she asked for my Line info so we could meet again and she sent Love, Kisses and Hearts stickers to say goodnight and good morning.

The only sex-related questions I asked in the bar before I took her were if she was ok to kiss me with our tongues touching, for which she proved Yes in the bar, would she like it if I kissed and licked her pussy in my room and if she felt ok to boom boom me with no condom. Yes and Yes. Those were the same questions I had asked the Soi Cowboy bullshitter girl our first time, too.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2644663]BMA closes pubs, bars, karaokes, massage parlours until January 15.

[URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/in-focus/40010576[/URL][/QUOTE]The Omicron storm that is surely coming will probably see this date extended to January 30 as best case, probably February is more realistic.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2644663]BMA closes pubs, bars, karaokes, massage parlours until January 15.

[URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/in-focus/40010576[/URL][/QUOTE]Meanwhile, after the new year. I will check into a Japanese owned, Thai ran, Privat in Bangkok for a week long stay, just like the ones in Prague with many girls working out of. Basically, it's an all you can bang buffet from 0900-0200 for only1200 per session with over 75 girls to choose from. Rhymes with No No Smell. Have a good New Year bro!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2644663]BMA closes pubs, bars, karaokes, massage parlours until January 15.

[URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/in-focus/40010576[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2644675]The Omicron storm that is surely coming will probably see this date extended to January 30 as best case, probably February is more realistic.[/QUOTE]This was actually an extension of a November 29th directive. So it seems that no one is currently paying any attention to it.

Looks like there are far more girls in bars and on streets than guys, a buyers' market.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL]

Only scanned through video. Way too many ladyboys and no gogo quality girls. Saw some Thermae girls. 9:06 girl with short hair and bangs on her phone. 7:05 to 7:55 girl in the light purple dress standing beside tall ladyboy.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2644738]Looks like there are far more girls in bars and on streets than guys, a buyers' market.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks bro! Lot less glamorous on the quality than some of the recent reports. Time to wiggle that hand out from the fortune cookie jar.

Banana Boi.

Some girls are tall, small boobs, but look damn sexy and act feminine.

I cannot confirm unless I talk to them, hear their voices, or grope their crotches.

How do you tell? What are your secrets?

Why are real girls not working?

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2644738]Looks like there are far more girls in bars and on streets than guys, a buyers' market.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL][/QUOTE]Hmm. Those YouTube videographers must schedule the shoot to make sure there will be the least amount of people on the streets and in the bars so as not to interfere with their smooth and steady gliding camera moves. LOL.

That must have been either a Sunday night or a Monday night around 6 pm.

I mentioned in a previous report that the number of girls and customers was down over Christmas weekend, during this week and will likely be down this coming New Years weekend due to some girls heading to their province for the holidays. But even a down Christmas weekend and last night was not as deserted as that video suggested. Last night about 8:30 pm it was almost impossible to slowly ride a motorbike down Soi Cowboy through the crowd.

There were few empty barstools in those Soi 7 bars for all the girls and customers last night And that was a Wednesday night. In the video, the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 7 was free and clear. It has not been like that most nights for weeks. By 7:30 pm it is crammed with Tuk Tuks delivering and picking up customers with girls and motorbike riders looking for a place to park.

Actually, there are several more bars open in the past few weeks the video showed were closed. And, unless I missed it, they did not even take a shot of Nana Plaza where the ground level has been one big crowded beer bar for a month or two.

The first description of the video says it is how the area looks at the end of December 2021. But when you expand the description it says the video was taken "November 2021".

Whenever it was, that is not how the area and the bars have looked re girls and customers by around 7:30 - 8 pm on a regular Friday or Saturday night in the past month or two. Not unless there are Covid closures again, which I have not seen as of this Thursday afternoon and early evening.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2644738]Looks like there are far more girls in bars and on streets than guys, a buyers' market.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL][/QUOTE]"Mr. Santoyo.

1 day ago (edited).

Dang going back to Thailand again in April I can't wait, just got back from Colombia 2 weeks ago. 😁 Cheers🍻.

Saw the above comment in the video. Thailand lost thousands of tourists to Colombia this year, including you Captain.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2644738]Looks like there are far more girls in bars and on streets than guys, a buyers' market.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL][/QUOTE]It is an interesting video showing a little of what the BKK Sukhumvit nightlife scene is like these days. Thanks for posting it.

But things looked pretty dismal to me. Even open bars like Morning Night bar and Stumble are a shadow of their former selves and Cowboy looked dismal. Now I know the main sourcing for good looking girls has shifted to the internet and I am sure I would do alright if I were in Bangkok, but the night life street scene which was once one of the highlights of being in BKK is currently very depressing IMHO and there is not much to look forward after jumping through all the hoops required to get into the country. So, I think I will pass for the foreseeable future. Hopefully things will reopen and get lively again when the Pandemic slides into the Endemic. Hopefully.

I frequently notice that the time and date of these vlogs are misstated and / or misleading.

However, I wonder how long this party atmosphere in Bangkok can continue with Omicron breathing down the neck of many cities worldwide. In Paris, France, one is now required to wear a mask outside in public and all night clubs remain closed at least to the end of
January. New Years Eve festivities worldwide have been shut down and / or strictly regulated as to crowd size etc.

The current outbreak in Kalasin and Isan is bound to spread. This occurred due to a Thai couple returning from Belgium, testing negative upon entry, and then inadvertently spreading the virus directly or indirectly to an estimated 248 people in that area. The cases developed and expanded because they visited many restaurants and clubs in Isan who were not following proper Covid protocol. In one instance, Covid 19 was discovered in one of the a/c units. It's only a matter of time for it to descend in full force in Bangkok. The end days are near, I suspect for Bangkok, and it's "reopening".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2644790]Hmm. Those YouTube videographers must schedule the shoot to make sure there will be the least amount of people on the streets and in the bars so as not to interfere with their smooth and steady gliding camera moves. LOL.

That must have been either a Sunday night or a Monday night around 6 pm.

I mentioned in a previous report that the number of girls and customers was down over Christmas weekend, during this week and will likely be down this coming New Years weekend due to some girls heading to their province for the holidays. But even a down Christmas weekend and last night was not as deserted as that video suggested. Last night about 8:30 pm it was almost impossible to slowly ride a motorbike down Soi Cowboy through the crowd.

There were few empty barstools in those Soi 7 bars for all the girls and customers last night And that was a Wednesday night. In the video, the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 7 was free and clear. It has not been like that most nights for weeks. By 7:30 pm it is crammed with Tuk Tuks delivering and picking up customers with girls and motorbike riders looking for a place to park.

Actually, there are several more bars open in the past few weeks the video showed were closed. And, unless I missed it, they did not even take a shot of Nana Plaza where the ground level has been one big crowded beer bar for a month or two.

The first description of the video says it is how the area looks at the end of December 2021. But when you expand the description it says the video was taken "November 2021".

Whenever it was, that is not how the area and the bars have looked re girls and customers by around 7:30 - 8 pm on a regular Friday or Saturday night in the past month or two. Not unless there are Covid closures again, which I have not seen as of this Thursday afternoon and early evening.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2644738]Looks like there are far more girls in bars and on streets than guys, a buyers' market.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE[/URL][/QUOTE]Apparently the reverse in Pattaya, so people may want to avoid going there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj6SGwP5X58

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2644877]It is an interesting video showing a little of what the BKK Sukhumvit nightlife scene is like these days. Thanks for posting it.

But things looked pretty dismal to me. Even open bars like Morning Night bar and Stumble are a shadow of their former selves and Cowboy looked dismal. Now I know the main sourcing for good looking girls has shifted to the internet and I am sure I would do alright if I were in Bangkok, but the night life street scene which was once one of the highlights of being in BKK is currently very depressing IMHO and there is not much to look forward after jumping through all the hoops required to get into the country. So, I think I will pass for the foreseeable future. Hopefully things will reopen and get lively again when the Pandemic slides into the Endemic. Hopefully.[/QUOTE]I would estimate early November to be when that video was taken. Prior to the predicted "some Nana go-go bars reopening" around the 3rd week of November, which turned out to be true only in that some reopened as beer bars and they reopened a few days later than predicted.

The giveaways in the video for that likely timeframe are, among other things, Big Dogs Bar on Soi 4 at the entrance to Nana Plaza is closed and it has been open daytime and evening for over a month, there was no effort to get any shot at all into Nana Plaza and that is where several go-go bars on the ground floor started to reopen as beer bars more than a month ago requiring the pre-Covid security team to manage crowd control at the entrance, the empty cubicles on the left side of Soi 7 before you see Random Bar are still covered with screens where there are now 4-5 new open bars and 2-3 more between Random Bar and Beer Garden, there was practically no one in front of Thermae where for weeks now you could count a dozen or so genuine females and groups of, yep, Asian customers stopping to chat with them and take some almost any night of the week, the near desolate shots of Soi Cowboy that has not been the case for 2-3 weeks and the very little vehicle traffic on Soi 4, Soi 7 and Sukhumvit Road where there has been almost as much heavy traffic as normal times for weeks.

Also, if I am not mistaken since the lighting was a bit dark, there is a shot where you can see the big Christmas tree in front of Terminal 21 in the background but it is not even fully assembled yet. BTW, the sign on that tree as it is now and has been since early November wishes all of us a Merry Christmas 2022!

That video might have been posted on YouTube at the end of December 2021. But it was obviously shot sometime in early November, before Nana Plaza partially reopened, several other bars reopened, new ones followed along with more customer traffic and more girls showing up for work. And even then it might have been fairly early in the evening on a rather slow night of the week.

That said, many of the pre-Covid beer bars are a shadow of their former selves, pre-Covid. But none of those areas are shadows of their former selves from 1 year ago or 18 months ago. LOL.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2644892]The current outbreak in Kalasin and Isan is bound to spread. [/QUOTE]It has probably already spread to most tourists areas and is quiety bubbling along. Bangkok is probably just 2 to 3 weeks behind Europe and the USA. Just the last 2 days infections has started to turn up again. Probably will explode next week.

The good news is that it appears to cause less serious illness than Delta and due to the explosive infectious nature will probably peak very quickly and subside just as fast. Hopeully we peak in Late Feb. And is mostly gone by late March?

I recently visited Passion, located in side soi of Suk Soi 22 in a ramshackle building of the usual variety. I was greeted by a gaggle of highly enthusiastic girls and the explicit menu card. I picked HJ massage for 1300 be with "Note", a small girl with a sweet smile and attitude. She ushered me upstairs to the dismal room for a quick shower, light massage and then she started on the hand job. She quickly acquiesced on my requests for her to get naked, open her legs so I could probe her wet pussy, and ultimately, she got on her back with me kneeling over her, so I could unload onto her eager face. She even opened her mouth to allow some to run in and taste it. She was a good conversationalist and great bed partner. Good days.

Axel.

Those were the fun times drinking with your friends all night, flirting, doing risky things with bar girls not allowed in the US.

The girls look good in the vid, tall, slim, feminine, just have to make sure they don't carry big dicks hehe. I was in bars in Bogota, Cartagena and Medellin Colombia in early December. The few slim girls, without heavy, pear-shaped bodies, were trannies with deep broken voices. They look hot but tend to be stiff, aloof, not socializing with other girls or flirting with guys.

What are the best ways to access Thai girls online?

Are dating sites like Thaicupid still producing civies dates?

My wingmen and I are having fun in Tijuana clubs where mileage with bar girls is high, but we still want to explore exotic places in Asia. We are waiting for Asia to open up to do a tour of major hot spots, aiming for spots where thousands nice, hot, fresh girls, like this one, are available to have fun with us.

ET, you as well as anyone on here would know to within a week when that video was shot. All you need to do is look at which bars were open. It's possible it was shot in November and it's possible it was shot last week but anyone on the ground would know when it was shot. At least I know I would if I were in Bangkok.

Is it possible for you or others who are on the ground to snap a few photos from a distance on how busy things are. Not asking for close ups of girls rather just to get a general sense how busy it is. I know it's douche to take videos but snapping a photo down Soi Cowboy or along one of the bars sois isn't imo.

My issue wasn't how busy it was. There were enough girls I guess. Just take all the girls who worked at Thermae and Baccara and now spread them all over lower Sukhumvit. My issue is the quality isn't there.

Capt Solo, not sure how experienced you are in Thailand but if you live there long enough you will know a ladyboy when you see one. I err on the side of caution for lb's but don't think I'm wrong in that video that there were a ton of lb's! FYI I classify post-ops as lb's. One of my favorite gogo girls in Pattaya is always mistaken as a lb because she is too good looking and 5'8" without heels. Being tall isn't the determining factor there are a lot of 5'0"-5'2" Thai men too.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2644894]Apparently the reverse in Pattaya, so people may want to avoid going there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj6SGwP5X58[/QUOTE]Only quiet areas are shown in the video.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2645045]ET, you as well as anyone on here would know to within a week when that video was shot. All you need to do is look at which bars were open. It's possible it was shot in November and it's possible it was shot last week but anyone on the ground would know when it was shot. At least I know I would if I were in Bangkok.

Is it possible for you or others who are on the ground to snap a few photos from a distance on how busy things are. Not asking for close ups of girls rather just to get a general sense how busy it is. I know it's douche to take videos but snapping a photo down Soi Cowboy or along one of the bars sois isn't imo.

My issue wasn't how busy it was. There were enough girls I guess. Just take all the girls who worked at Thermae and Baccara and now spread them all over lower Sukhumvit. My issue is the quality isn't there..[/QUOTE]BB, I did list several giveaways in the video that tell me it was probably shot in early November, right before many more bars opened including in Nana Plaza and therefore many more customers and consequently many more girls started showing up in a previous post but I know you hadn't seen it yet as it takes several hours if not the next day for my posts to appear lately.

I do plan to take some photos of the same general areas covered in that video this weekend. Bear in mind, I don't expect there to be nearly as many girls around during this particular weekend compared to the weeks prior to Christmas since so many girls I know are already in their province to be with their family for New Years.

So I will also try for some photos next weekend as well.

As the steady increase in old bars reopening and new bars opening has evolved, the present and available girls and customers have also spread thinner here and there; when only some Soi 7 bars were open and active but none on Soi 4, the Soi 7 bars were packed. Then Soi 4 bars began to open and people migrated to some of them. Then Nana Plaza, then Soi Cowboy, then more bars opened on all the pertinent sois and little by little more customers and girls were showing up everywhere and even then Soi 7 and the Nana Plaza ground level bars were still packed many nights.

Then we've had these holiday weekends where girls typically stop working. And who knows what new fears about Omicron will do.

BTW, unless I am mistaken about which tall "lady" you were referring to in that video, the tall older looking one seen around the time marker you cited is indeed a genuine female who is rather aggressive about grabbing passers by to sit and have a drink, is very fluent in English and seems get customers to sit with her for a drink quite often.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2644778]Banana Boi.

Some girls are tall, small boobs, but look damn sexy and act feminine.

I cannot confirm unless I talk to them, hear their voices, or grope their crotches.

How do you tell? What are your secrets?

Why are real girls not working?[/QUOTE]My guess because the Demographic of customers is not to their Liking. Koreans and Japanese and Hkg and Sin countries are are in Crazy mode too.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2645128]BB, I did list several giveaways in the video that tell me it was probably shot in early November, right before many more bars opened <snip> but I know you hadn't seen it yet as it takes several hours if not the next day for my posts to appear lately.[/QUOTE]Yes, I did not see your posts until well after I posted.

I agree with you don't bother posting photos this week. Wait til next week to give guys here a fair representation of how things are like.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2645141]My guess because the Demographic of customers is not to their Liking. Koreans and Japanese and Hkg and Sin countries are are in Crazy mode too.[/QUOTE]Most of the bar girls will stay home to tend to their families until the bars fully reopen. Since ladyboys don't have the same familial obligations, they are flooding the streets in BKK and Pattaya.

Videos I have seen between BKK and Pattaya show me that BKK has a lot more girls presently working the bar scene than what is in Pattaya.

Chimpo,

May be real women are scared of CoVid, affecting their families and children, but lady boys are brave and don't give a shit.

You said Koreans ad Japanese women in Singapore are in crazy mode?

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[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2645302]Videos I have seen between BKK and Pattaya show me that BKK has a lot more girls presently working the bar scene than what is in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]From what I can tell, having been in both Bangkok and Pattaya is that there are far fewer women about yet that is balanced by the number of bars etc that are open and the number of male customers. Pattaya has only just started to open up and the girls are slowly returning from the villages as the mongers on the ground increase.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2645405]From what I can tell, having been in both Bangkok and Pattaya is that there are far fewer women about yet that is balanced by the number of bars etc that are open and the number of male customers. Pattaya has only just started to open up and the girls are slowly returning from the villages as the mongers on the ground increase.[/QUOTE]Many are probably worried about another shutdown due to omnicron. I think it will be a very slow trickle back for at least another month.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2645487]Many are probably worried about another shutdown due to omnicron. I think it will be a very slow trickle back for at least another month.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking slow trickle back for at least 6 months, maybe longer.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2645320]Chimpo,

May be real women are scared of CoVid, affecting their families and children, but lady boys are brave and don't give a shit.

You said Koreans ad Japanese women in Singapore are in crazy mode?[/QUOTE]I meant the countries are in Crazy mode regarding traveling. Upon return people have to jump thru insanity hoops to be a regular person again.

I listen to Sin radio. They changing rules all the time. Just like Thailand.

Japanese big user of Ivermectin but still pretty much shut.

[QUOTE=Allover;2645635]I'm thinking slow trickle back for at least 6 months, maybe longer.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing there will be a peak in mid-to-late January and then omicron will hammer Thailand. Tourists will disappear, much like March 2020. This totally screws my flight schedules.

I'm expecting recovery from omicron to be quick and tourism will start building back up after high season, about April 2022. No idea when gamma or upsilon or whatever will appear and slam planet earth again.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2645320]Chimpo,

May be real women are scared of CoVid, affecting their families and children, but lady boys are brave and don't give a shit.[/QUOTE]Women have other employment opportunities. Ladyboys do not. Many businesses will not hire a ladyboy and there are no laws against discrimination here.

The next letter in the Greek alphabet is Pi, which some might say stands also for infinity in math calculations.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2645774]I'm guessing there will be a peak in mid-to-late January and then omicron will hammer Thailand. Tourists will disappear, much like March 2020. This totally screws my flight schedules.

I'm expecting recovery from omicron to be quick and tourism will start building back up after high season, about April 2022. No idea when gamma or upsilon or whatever will appear and slam planet earth again.[/QUOTE]

To close the loop. Indeed I sent the wrong tx ID. And it's fixed now. However all messages from admins went in my spam folder, so that's the reason I missed them. Maybe add some disclaimer that one should check their spam folder. Thanks!

[QUOTE=John94;2644442]I will update this forum once I hear back. But in the meantime I would not recommend anyone to buy a subscription using bitcoin. Maybe the forum admins are on holidays. And will come back at some point.

[blue]You have to send us the TXID and we answered you, the one you sent does not match with any in our pay list.

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2644663]BMA closes pubs, bars, karaokes, massage parlours until January 15.

[URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/in-focus/40010576[/URL][/QUOTE]Hi guys.

Does it mean hillary 2 soi 4, nana plaza and other similar places are now closed?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2645774]I'm guessing there will be a peak in mid-to-late January and then omicron will hammer Thailand. Tourists will disappear, much like March 2020. This totally screws my flight schedules.

I'm expecting recovery from omicron to be quick and tourism will start building back up after high season, about April 2022. No idea when gamma or upsilon or whatever will appear and slam planet earth again.[/QUOTE]Tourism will not be building back up anytime soon.

Tourist are being Treated very badly right now.

Plus ornerous paperwork still in place.

[QUOTE=ElFrances;2645927]Hi guys.

Does it mean hillary 2 soi 4, nana plaza and other similar places are now closed?[/QUOTE]As of last night those places in Bangkok were still open. It was very quiet due to the New Years weekend family get-togethers, but those places were open.

Evening.

Visiting Bangkok in January this year for 3 weeks.

I would like to hire a sexy lady for my stay.

Who likes the adult life and would be my girlfriend for 8 hours a day.

On a regular basis.

Where best to arrange such a lady please.

Can any one recommend web site or apps please.

Last 2 times in Bangkok I met some very sexy ladies but not for a regular amount of time.

[QUOTE=Bristol107;2646400]Evening.

Visiting Bangkok in January this year for 3 weeks.

I would like to hire a sexy young lady for my stay.

Who likes the adult life and would be my girlfriend for 8 hours a day.

On a regular basis.

Where best to arrange such a lady please.

Can any one recommend web site or apps please.

Last 2 times in Bangkok I met some very sexy ladies but not for a regular amount of time.[/QUOTE]I suggest you have a 12"x15" cardboard sign hanging on your chest with "Wanted PT LT girl for 3 weeks". Stand on the corner of Soi 7 and Sukimvit.

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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2646485]I suggest you have a 12"x15" cardboard sign hanging on your chest with "Wanted PT LT girl for 3 weeks". Stand on the corner of Soi 7 and Sukimvit.[/QUOTE]That is so funny. Would be interesting to see who came up to you though.

Is Poseidon, Nataree, La Belle or any of the other large Soapy Massages still open? I thought many of them closed with the pandemic?

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2644304]- to Poseidon or Nataree in terms of the soapy experience?

By the way, I really like Analisa too for the PSE milking table threesome experience.

Also, other compelling sexperiences one might consider are Lolitas Blowjob Bar and Eden Club.

Last time at Eden, pre-pandemic, I got two ladies for a double BBBJ, rim / BBBJ combo, alternate fucking, fucking while getting pegged, greek, girl on girl, MSOG, no limits, true PSE, totally mind-blowing! FYI, usually Mick forces you to pick one you like and she picks an older sister who has more "experience" to choreograph the scene. However, I learned by chatting up and being nice to Mick, the proprietor he let me pick two younger ones. This led to an exceptionally good time.

Finally, who are Momo and May Chan? Are they by some miracle still around?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2646985]Is Poseidon, Nataree, La Belle or any of the other large Soapy Massages still open? I thought many of them closed with the pandemic?[/QUOTE]Nataree has been closed for 4? Years. They got busted for underage and illegal workers. Poseidon is being / has been turned into a hotel.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2646985]Is Poseidon, Nataree, La Belle or any of the other large Soapy Massages still open? I thought many of them closed with the pandemic?[/QUOTE]They're still closed.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2646989]Nataree has been closed for 4? Years. They got busted for underage and illegal workers. Poseidon is being / has been turned into a hotel.[/QUOTE]Blah, what big soapies are left? Emmanuel and La Belle?

[QUOTE=Bristol107;2646400]Evening.

Visiting Bangkok in January this year for 3 weeks.

I would like to hire a sexy lady for my stay.

Who likes the adult life and would be my girlfriend for 8 hours a day.

On a regular basis.

Where best to arrange such a lady please.

Can any one recommend web site or apps please.

Last 2 times in Bangkok I met some very sexy ladies but not for a regular amount of time.[/QUOTE]Their pimps wouldn't stand for it they would want a huge amount of money, its not the 80's and 90's when it was easy to do this.

I'm hearing from numerous sources plans to turn Poseidon into a Hello Kitty Thailand Hub. Does mesh with current government s vision for Thailand.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2646588]That is so funny. Would be interesting to see who came up to you though.[/QUOTE]I am thinking of making preprinted T-shirts with this on it!

[QUOTE=Bristol107;2646400]Evening.

Visiting Bangkok in January this year for 3 weeks.

I would like to hire a sexy lady for my stay.

Who likes the adult life and would be my girlfriend for 8 hours a day.

On a regular basis.

Where best to arrange such a lady please.

Can any one recommend web site or apps please.

Last 2 times in Bangkok I met some very sexy ladies but not for a regular amount of time.[/QUOTE]If you want this to be somewhat structured, your best bet is escort agencies (go to the escort section).

It will be expensive though. [URL]https://smooci.com/bangkok[/URL].

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2647723]I am thinking of making preprinted T-shirts with this on it![/QUOTE]Haha.

Do not forget to Add Line QR Code.

I would say about 70% of the bars that were open just prior to New Years weekend are still closed this weekend.

None of the Soi 7 collection of bars and down the small alley were open last night, Friday night. Only Beer Garden was open.

Same with the bars on Soi 11, all closed. Only 2-3 open as beer bars on Soi Cowboy. Oh, and this weekend as well as last weekend, clinic techs were administering free fast Covid tests at each entrance to Soi Cowboy. I am not sure if they were voluntary tests or required to enter. I just rode by to check out the area.

Most Soi 4 beer bars, the big one inside Nana Plaza and the bars on Soi 8 were open.

Consequently, the girl numbers are way down this weekend all around too. I only saw 2-3 real girls standing around in front of the still closed Thermae at 9 pm.

This was apparently the holiday plan all along. The 3-4 girls I know who freelance or sometimes work in the bars told me before they left for their provinces they would probably return to Bangkok on the 10th. We'll see if many stay in their family province longer due to Omicron fears.

Last week I knew of many girls in Phuket and Pattaya that were getting covid.

This week it seems to have started to hit Bangkok.

Looks like the expected tidal wave is coming.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2648347]Last week I knew of many girls in Phuket and Pattaya that were getting covid.

This week it seems to have started to hit Bangkok.

Looks like the expected tidal wave is coming.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing the information. I do think a mini tsunami is coming.

The bigger question is. When will we see a return to 50% pre-pandemic normalcy?

3 months from now or 6 or even more?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2645045]
Is it possible for you or others who are on the ground to snap a few photos from a distance on how busy things are. Not asking for close ups of girls rather just to get a general sense how busy it is. I know it's douche to take videos but snapping a photo down Soi Cowboy or along one of the bars sois isn't imo.
[/QUOTE]Hey BB,

Here are some photos for you from the past 2 days.

- Twister agogo inside and Nana Plaza on Thursday 6th Jan at 20.00. Yesterday was even more busy. Enough good looking bar girls around.

- Soi Cowboy on Thursday 6th Jan at 22.00. Everyone who has visited this street before should visit now and see the grim contrast.

- Carlton Hotel Executive Suite bathroom entrance on Friday 7th Jan in the evening. Great hotel BTW!

Take care.

Thanks for the pics, FF. Nice to hear you're in Thailand. Good choice on your bathroom door attendant.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2648406]Hey BB,

Here are some photos for you from the past 2 days.

- Twister agogo inside and Nana Plaza on Thursday 6th Jan at 20.00. Yesterday was even more busy. Enough good looking bar girls around.

- Soi Cowboy on Thursday 6th Jan at 22.00. Everyone who has visited this street before should visit now and see the grim contrast.

- Carlton Hotel Executive Suite bathroom entrance on Friday 7th Jan in the evening. Great hotel BTW!

Take care.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing the pics.

Nana Plaza seems to be doing pretty well and nice ass on the girl.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2648395]Thanks for sharing the information. I do think a mini tsunami is coming.

The bigger question is. When will we see a return to 50% pre-pandemic normalcy?

3 months from now or 6 or even more?[/QUOTE]The time to be optimistic is when airlines start flying into Bangkok again.

Remember they out to October, something like that.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2647513]Their pimps wouldn't stand for it they would want a huge amount of money, its not the 80's and 90's when it was easy to do this.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for replying.

I would like to pre arrange a girl in that case for a few days.

What would you suggest.

Is there still a hotel in Bangkok where you can pick up a lady from.

The hotel bar.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2646485]I suggest you have a 12"x15" cardboard sign hanging on your chest with "Wanted PT LT girl for 3 weeks". Stand on the corner of Soi 7 and Sukimvit.[/QUOTE]Ha ha really funny.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2647753]If you want this to be somewhat structured, your best bet is escort agencies (go to the escort section).

It will be expensive though. [URL]https://smooci.com/bangkok[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thank you what about hotels that you can pick up girls from the bar.

My wife is getting a little suspicious of travelling to Bangkok.

This is I love the red light areas and meeting young lady's for fun.

Could any one suggest a similar country that is very similar to Bangkok.

I've been to Burma Cambodia I was thinking Vietnam Philippines Japan.

Any ideas please.

Regards.

Happy new year.

My own data points also hint COVID is raging in Bangkok, regardless of what numbers are being reported by the government. I reached out to several different FL contacts and about half were in the COVID protocol. The bargirls said that most of the other girls in the same bar also had COVID. I also know a nurse with no connection to the others. COVID protocol. Another unrelated civilian friend living outside Bangkok had symptoms and get tested (though negative) because her boss had COVID. I'm not arguing that my data points are representative (they can't be), but given them and what I'm reading here and elsewhere, I think there's a big problem.

Thailand seems to have been largely spared from the previous waves, but that just means it is dry kindling. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Expect (largely ineffective) lockdowns soon.

P.S. I'm not too wired about getting sick myself, having just received a booster and without comobordities.

The antigen test kits in Bangkok (nose swab or spit-tubes) are widely and cheaply available. They are also now producing quicker results. Between 10 and 20 minutes for pos / neg result.

If you have a few regular FLs or BGs who are out of work maybe meet up with a couple of beer in a hotel room, test each other, enjoy your drinks while waiting and, if all good, then get down to business.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2648395]Thanks for sharing the information. I do think a mini tsunami is coming.
The bigger question is. When will we see a return to 50% pre-pandemic normalcy?
3 months from now or 6 or even more?[/QUOTE]My fear is that Omicron will especially hit the countries with low vaccination rates very hard.
In Thailand 65% of the people is fully vaccinated, which is not a bad rate but it's not really good either.
So it's hard to say what will happen, but I think it's very well possible that their hospitals will be overwhelmed with patients.

During the Delta wave in Thailand you would hear of a wide ranging amount of Thai people with Delta. It hit the low income communities hard and the labor camps as well as some working girls.

The Omicorn wave has infected so many working girls over the last 2 weeks that I have lost count. I think it I would know of 20 working girls with covid now. The Farang / Bar girl scene in Phuket, Pattaya and now Lower Sukhumwit must have a 25% positivity rate IE 1 in 4 people in the area have omicron.

I am sure it will spread to the entire community in the next few weeks too.

At first I was quite disappointed that I was not able to go to Thailand after a hiatus of almost two years. This occurred due to my procrastination in arranging the necessary approvals from Thai Visa to travel to Thailand. My delay was due to a concern that Omicron would spread rapidly and that curfews and other onerous restrictions would return. It seems that Bangkok and the country is on the precipice of another health crisis, perhaps more than others in the past two years. I currently have expats friend there who arrived in mid December. After a brief period of euphoria, they seem to be confronting the same rapid spread of Covid that you mentioned. One friend said he would not go to Soi 7 as it's a cesspool of Covid cases, while Soi Cowboy mandatory testing invites you to a potential hospital stay.

I saw an article in the Pattaya newspaper that the empty hotels there are suggesting they use their facilities for temporary hospital MASH type units — at farangs own cost, of course, for those with symptoms or not. Needless to say, tourists and ex pats are rejecting this idea en masse. In many cases, the health insurance (companies) you were compelled to purchase are refusing to pay for your hospital / hotel if you are asymptomatic. But it appears, hotels are more than happy to gouge their life bread for a temporary fix of revenue.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2648700]During the Delta wave in Thailand you would hear of a wide ranging amount of Thai people with Delta. It hit the low income communities hard and the labor camps as well as some working girls.

The Omicorn wave has infected so many working girls over the last 2 weeks that I have lost count. I think it I would know of 20 working girls with covid now. The Farang / Bar girl scene in Phuket, Pattaya and now Lower Sukhumwit must have a 25% positivity rate IE 1 in 4 people in the area have omicron.

I am sure it will spread to the entire community in the next few weeks too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;2648682]The antigen test kits in Bangkok (nose swab or spit-tubes) are widely and cheaply available. They are also now producing quicker results. Between 10 and 20 minutes for pos / neg result.

If you have a few regular FLs or BGs who are out of work maybe meet up with a couple of beer in a hotel room, test each other, enjoy your drinks while waiting and, if all good, then get down to business.[/QUOTE]Omicron spreads even through masks as entire flights are reported positive many times nowadays. All passengers were negative before boarding the flight.

[URL]https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/173-more-passengers-who-arrived-in-amritsar-from-rome-test-covid-19-positive-101641556029910.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/high-drama-at-amritsar-airport-after-125-passengers-of-italy-amritsar-flight-test-positive-for-covid-358821[/URL]

Soi 7 bars opened today after a couple of days closure. They were medium busy.

Nana plaza outdoor bar was rather quiet today and talent was low.

[QUOTE=Visal;2648822]Omicron spreads even through masks as entire flights are reported positive many times nowadays. All passengers were negative before boarding the flight.

[URL]https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/173-more-passengers-who-arrived-in-amritsar-from-rome-test-covid-19-positive-101641556029910.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/high-drama-at-amritsar-airport-after-125-passengers-of-italy-amritsar-flight-test-positive-for-covid-358821[/URL][/QUOTE]The testing agency has been fired and it seems after retest they were negative. Don't panic masls are very effective.

[QUOTE=SST66;2648921]The testing agency has been fired and it seems after retest they were negative. Don't panic masls are very effective.[/QUOTE]Supposedly only N95 masks are effective against Omicron. Most people don't have access to N95 masks or don't want to pay for them when you can get 10-50 "medical" masks for the price of one N95 mask. Guys in Thailand have seen what the girls wear. It's like a piece of origami paper. Do they even sell true N95 masks in Bangkok or Pattaya? If so, where and how much are they?

As for planes, every time they serve food or coffee everyone whips off their masks for an extended period of time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2649156]Supposedly only N95 masks are effective against Omicron. Most people don't have access to N95 masks or don't want to pay for them when you can get 10-50 "medical" masks for the price of one N95 mask. Guys in Thailand have seen what the girls wear. It's like a piece of origami paper. Do they even sell true N95 masks in Bangkok or Pattaya? If so, where and how much are they?

As for planes, every time they serve food or coffee everyone whips off their masks for an extended period of time.[/QUOTE]They sell the chinese equivalent KN95 masks at Boots, Watsons etc 40 or 50 baht. There is a half decent and comfortable 3 M brand that they carry. I buy them for myself and girlfriend becuase as you said straight medical masks offer protection for like 5 minutes when coming into contact with an infected person.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2649213]They sell the chinese equivalent KN95 masks at Boots, Watsons etc 40 or 50 baht. [/QUOTE]AFAIK KN95 masks do not go through stringent testing like N95 masks do and the KN95 tests are out of China(?). Maybe unjust but I trust KN95 like I would trust Sinovac vs. AZ or Sinopharm vs Moderna / Pfizer.

Can't believe guys risk hospitalization to go to a bar that has no girls. I only see guys! 15,080 baht seems like a really expensive beer to me.

Coincidentally, I had MSNBC News on when it came to a discussion of N95 vs. KN95. The MD who did the review by far favored the N95 over the KN95, though I thought he said the KN95 was from South Korea. Nevertheless, he strongly recommended using the N95 over others.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2649223]AFAIK KN95 masks do not go through stringent testing like N95 masks do and the KN95 tests are out of China(?). Maybe unjust but I trust KN95 like I would trust Sinovac vs. AZ or Sinopharm vs Moderna / Pfizer.[/QUOTE]

So, are the bars in Bangkok really closing at 9 pm?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2649390]So, are the bars in Bangkok really closing at 9 pm?[/QUOTE]Yes they are.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2649390]So, are the bars in Bangkok really closing at 9 pm?[/QUOTE]Some turn down their lights and won't allow new customers to enter after 9 pm or so while the remaining customers finish their drinks. Others, the ones a bit less visible from main streets like Sukhumvit Road, might stay open hours longer.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2649237]Coincidentally, I had MSNBC News on when it came to a discussion of N95 vs. KN95. The MD who did the review by far favored the N95 over the KN95, though I thought he said the KN95 was from South Korea. Nevertheless, he strongly recommended using the N95 over others.[/QUOTE]Many countries have equivalents to N95 masks, which is a USA standard. They are all more or less the same standard when purchased from reputable places where you can be confident that they are what the lable says they are.

In Thailand KN95 masks purchased from boots or watsons should be of a similar standard to a retail N95 mask purchased from a reputable US outlet. I would have little confidence if you purchased a KN95 from a street vendor in Thailand.

KN95 Is the chinese standard.

KF94 I believe is Korea.

FFP2 UK.

One further point. A retail N95 or KN95 is not the same as a specifically fitted equivalent medical mask. In a medical environment the mask is fitted to the face and they actually test it within a special small cubicle by flowing air through it with various substances. If the person in the cubicle can smell any of the substances, it means air is leaking into the mask and they adjust or refit it until it is perfectly sealed and nothing can be smelt.

Most people that you see in public with KN95 or N95 masks wear them hanging all over the place so potentially contaminated air is getting in the sides or top. It is questional how much protection this is providing.

I personally wear a decent KN95 from boots and make sure it fits well. I am vaccinated and not overly concerned if I contract covid, but would prefer not to if possible. I also do not want to be responsible for infecting other people if I get infected.

The whole mask debate is just stupid to me. If someone had a cold and they came up and coughed or sneezed all over you, you would be pissed off and probably say "turn away when you cough or at least put your hand over your mouth when coughing" . Wearing a mask is just the same, I don't want to breath / cough / sneeze over someone if I am potentially infected.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2648410]Thanks for the pics, FF. Nice to hear you're in Thailand. Good choice on your bathroom door attendant.[/QUOTE]You're welcome! I had to escape the cold winter of Finland. Bathroom attendant had nice body but was in a big hurry to get back to Nana for more drinks. Not so good.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2649415]You're welcome! I had to escape the cold winter of Finland. Bathroom attendant had nice body but was in a big hurry to get back to Nana for more drinks. Not so good.[/QUOTE]This is the very reason I rarely Barfine agogo girls. They have the get back to Bar as fast as possible DNA in them. Next sucker up.

P.S. I find looks wise I find many agogo girls acceptable, even pre Covid. Just not as much since the Ku.

Spent two days in Bangkok.

Was a Grande Centre Point for quarantine.

Checked in 5 pm, did PCR test and then waiting in room for results. Was supposed to be 10 am. Nothing until 11 am. I call them, they say I have to wait.

I call again 12 pm, same story.

1 pm I'm being impatient and ask them to transfer me to the pcr service. After a few minutes they find my results, negative.

Then it takes 25 min for the bellman to pick me up from my room. What a mess.

Direction Landmark where I'm spending 2 nights.

First stop Mitu Soap, small selection available. I pick Jiu.

Very nice girl, does her job with attention.

BBBJ, CIM. Nice Nuru. At the end she asks If I want second shot. I say yes and she works extra hard for another 10 additional minutes. But then I give up, body too tired.

3800. Funny thing is that only ATM available was by the corner and could only deliver 30 x100 bills with 220 baht fee. Big ripoff, be aware.

It's now time for a massage, real foot massage. Can't visit Thailand without getting an authentic 300 bath massage at every corner.

Dinner time at Chinese restaurant. Only customer, good food. Gives me time to find a girl on smooci.

I book Rolanda 2 hours ([URL]https://smooci.com/escorts/BQnttl[/URL]) based on the nice reviews I read.

She's definitely older than the pics, but her body is still fit.

She's very nice, GSE, takes her time. 2 shots, massage and sex in various positions. Mature women are definitely better than young cuties. They know how to handle gentlemen.

Next day, analisamassage. Book Name and Poppy based on recommendation from this forum (thanks Tom! 4 hour tantra glory hole.

This is a lot of fun. Name is very beautiful. Poppy is full of energy. The combo makes for lots of fun. Poppy wants to use her fingers. Name wants to BJ. But not BBBJ.

2 shots, and good English discussion. They enjoyed the session as much as I did.

Next I want to try fiwfan. Browse a few profiles and end up on some Telegram channel, chatting with some random girl who shares nice pics. 2000 for one hour, at this place.

B2 Huai Khwang Premier Hotel.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/axLYqFrqaZR6ytY28[/URL]

Which is about 25 min ride at traffic hours. I book a scooter on Grab for 100 baht.

Arrive at the hotel, go up her room. Some young girl welcomes, maybe 21-23 years old.

Definitely different from the pictures. I think it's a pattern on fiwfans, girls post pictures of other girls they think look like them. But not really.

Anyway, the girl looks good. Great body, nice face. She has braces though, and fake boobs (with a poor job, very visible scars).

Take a shower and then get to action. Unfortunately I see very quickly that's she's inexperienced. The second she starts licking my nipples:-the.

As I understand I will have to take control. I flip her over, and I start fingering her. She's very shy. But my fingers slowly make it to her ass. I go very slow and she does not complain. I think it's her first time. I keep asking if she's ok. And she keeps saying yes. Until she gets an orgasm. Then time for me to fuck her. But she's not very active, again too newbie.

I ask her to finish me off and she's afraid I will cum in her mouth. She's young and cute, so I don't force anything and she finishes with HJ.

Definitely not the experience I was looking for, but I tried the fiwfan experience of student girls who need extra money.

I finish the night thinking I should do something that is guaranteed to make me happy. So I book a Michelin star restaurant at last minute.

I check in to Cadennce, some American Korean chef owned restaurant.

Tasting menu 14 plates, with matching cocktails (very original!

Four hours later and 10 k bahts (not cheap, but worth it), I'm ready to call it a day.

Will go back in a few days for some more experiences.

[QUOTE=John94;2649632]...

Then it takes 25 min for the bellman to pick me up from my room. What a mess...

[/QUOTE]Did my 16-day quarantine at Center Point (Ratchadamri) in 2021. Was ok, except on the day I was leaving I also waited for the bellman to pick me up. I grew fed up waiting so I packed my bags and walked out. They were not at all happy to see me walk on my own, for a minute I feared they would raise hell and put me into quarantine for another fortnight.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2649507]This is the very reason I rarely Barfine agogo girls. They have the get back to Bar as fast as possible DNA in them. Next sucker up.[/QUOTE]Which gogo bars did you have this happen at?

Did the gogo bar make you pay for both barfine AND girl up front? Never do that! You're setting yourself up for failure. The gogo girl has already been paid. There is no incentive for her to stay 2-3 hours with you for ST especially when she sees you as a tourist and you won't barfine her again. I make sure I always pay the girl directly. I don't want the gogo bars to take another 500 baht out of the cut you believe is going to the girl.

[QUOTE=John94;2649632]Definitely different from the pictures. I think it's a pattern on fiwfans, girls post pictures of other girls they think look like them. But not really.[/QUOTE]That is a mistake most noobs make when ordering online. Before I book, I always ask for the girl's LINE for a quick video chat. That separates the real girls from the Trolls.

My guess is that you talked to some guy or girl that handles all the accounts and sends the photos, then books (kind of a hostess if you will).

Few will accept to share their LINE and video, but the ones that do are real and they won't do a bait & Switch on you.

[QUOTE]Definitely not the experience I was looking for, but I tried the fiwfan experience of student girls who need extra money.[/QUOTE]These newbie students just aren't used to anything other than Vanilla sex. This is what they know, this is how most Thai guys have sex, blowjob, few positions, CIP and that's it. The girl isn't really asked or expected to do anything, the guy decides on positions and just thrusts away.

Also. Student girls needing extra money aren't looking for foreigners, at all. They are after older Thai gentlemen that will pay them handsomely for their services and use them for sex whenever they want.

Some of these gentlemen rent / buy apartments and put the girls there, so they can go anytime to have sex with them. The girls get a monthly allowance, and get to keep their young boyfriends.

These older guys just want to be treated nicely, washed, have vanilla sex with a young girl, far from the PSE sex we foreigners expect, and that's why most people are disappointed.

Great Report By the way, and I hope the Michelin Dinner included wine with each course. I liked the food but not the dining room atmosphere.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2649964]That is a mistake most noobs make when ordering online. Before I book, I always ask for the girl's LINE for a quick video chat. That separates the real girls from the Trolls.

My guess is that you talked to some guy or girl that handles all the accounts and sends the photos, then books (kind of a hostess if you will).

Few will accept to share their LINE and video, but the ones that do are real and they won't do a bait & Switch on you.

These newbie students just aren't used to anything other than Vanilla sex. This is what they know, this is how most Thai guys have sex, blowjob, few positions, CIP and that's it. The girl isn't really asked or expected to do anything, the guy decides on positions and just thrusts away.

Also. Student girls needing extra money aren't looking for foreigners, at all. They are after older Thai gentlemen that will pay them handsomely for their services and use them for sex whenever they want.

Some of these gentlemen rent / buy apartments and put the girls there, so they can go anytime to have sex with them. The girls get a monthly allowance, and get to keep their young boyfriends..[/QUOTE]Just want to say this is totally accurate.

Do not expect great sex with a fresh from the farm girl or a girl new to the game. They've had plenty of sex but most / all of it with a Thai BF or two that is young and clueless. That's what happens when they start having sex at 15 and stay with the same BF until they leave the village / hometown.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2650190]Just want to say this is totally accurate.

Do not expect great sex with a fresh from the farm girl or a girl new to the game. They've had plenty of sex but most / all of it with a Thai BF or two that is young and clueless. That's what happens when they start having sex at 15 and stay with the same BF until they leave the village / hometown.[/QUOTE]Sometimes for variety I like the newbies from the farm. I take my time slowly lickin them. Then when they are soaking wet I slowly enter them. Once inside instead of stroking them I just push hard and harder in them for awhile. Then slowly stroke it.

I love it if they get their first big O!

Give me a young newbie from the farm anytime.

Newbies are shy and quiet. Never had one tell me time is up or to hurry it up!

Newbies from the farm make this old soft bull feel like a great cocksman again! Lol.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2650399]Sometimes for variety I like the newbies from the farm. I take my time slowly lickin them. Then when they are soaking wet I slowly enter them. Once inside instead of stroking them I just push hard and harder in them for awhile. Then slowly stroke it.

I love it if they get their first big O!

Give me a young newbie from the farm anytime.

Newbies are shy and quiet. Never had one tell me time is up or to hurry it up!

Newbies from the farm make this old soft bull feel like a great cocksman again! Lol.[/QUOTE]Got to say I've never understood all the advanced requirements either. Fucking is not difficult. And the only thing you get with more experienced working girls is more BS.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2650404]Got to say I've never understood all the advanced requirements either. Fucking is not difficult. And the only thing you get with more experienced working girls is more BS.[/QUOTE]Well, this comes with the territory. I laugh at Tourists coming here and expecting their working girl to fall in love. 9/10 of these girls are in the game for the money, those that tell you they want to meet a nice gentleman are doing so because he has money (they'd never "fall in love" with a poor guy). They play the short game or the long game but it's all an act.

She's going to be all over you for a day / week / month, make you feel like a king and call you her superman. Until the next guy comes along.

Maybe I've been in Asia too long, but I never understood the need to parade your purchase all day shopping and for breakfast "the day after".

You pay for sex, have great sex, treat the girl nicely and with respect and send her on her way. She's not your GF and it's not your role to take her shopping or feed her, she has a Thai boyfriend for that (even maybe a Foreign sponsor who thinks she quit the game and works a cashiering job in a mall).

I much prefer the Asian way of mongering, no BS, no headaches and everyone knows what they are and why they are here.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2650404]Got to say I've never understood all the advanced requirements either. Fucking is not difficult. And the only thing you get with more experienced working girls is more BS.[/QUOTE]Newbies are less businesslike so sometimes give a much better GFE. However, sometimes they will just plain and simple be bad at sex. I stay away from the hardcore girls who have been in the game for years so I have some experience with the newbies.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2650448]Well, this comes with the territory. I laugh at Tourists coming here and expecting their working girl to fall in love. 9/10 of these girls are in the game for the money, those that tell you they want to meet a nice gentleman are doing so because he has money (they'd never "fall in love" with a poor guy). They play the short game or the long game but it's all an act.

She's going to be all over you for a day / week / month, make you feel like a king and call you her superman. Until the next guy comes along.

Maybe I've been in Asia too long, but I never understood the need to parade your purchase all day shopping and for breakfast "the day after".

You pay for sex, have great sex, treat the girl nicely and with respect and send her on her way. She's not your GF and it's not your role to take her shopping or feed her, she has a Thai boyfriend for that (even maybe a Foreign sponsor who thinks she quit the game and works a cashiering job in a mall).

I much prefer the Asian way of mongering, no BS, no headaches and everyone knows what they are and why they are here.[/QUOTE]I don't pay for sex anywhere, anytime. I pay gals to go away after I am done.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2650448]Well, this comes with the territory. I laugh at Tourists coming here and expecting their working girl to fall in love. 9/10 of these girls are in the game for the money, those that tell you they want to meet a nice gentleman are doing so because he has money (they'd never "fall in love" with a poor guy). They play the short game or the long game but it's all an act.

She's going to be all over you for a day / week / month, make you feel like a king and call you her superman. Until the next guy comes along.

Maybe I've been in Asia too long, but I never understood the need to parade your purchase all day shopping and for breakfast "the day after".

You pay for sex, have great sex, treat the girl nicely and with respect and send her on her way. She's not your GF and it's not your role to take her shopping or feed her, she has a Thai boyfriend for that (even maybe a Foreign sponsor who thinks she quit the game and works a cashiering job in a mall).

I much prefer the Asian way of mongering, no BS, no headaches and everyone knows what they are and why they are here.[/QUOTE]Personally I like the GFE part of it. I've certainly fallen in love or thought that I have but with experience that has passed and now I just enjoy the company of the girl and eat breakfast, lunch, dinner with the girl, take her shopping and just explore BKK with her. I feel like the sex is better this way and long run I save money.

Well technically started in Phuket with some girl I picked up on TF (Thai Friendly app).

First time I used this app. Made clear in my profile I was looking for ST and shared my LINE ID. A few girls contacted me, but only one was next to my hotel in Phuket.

1000 + 500 taxi ride. I asked if I could take a video of the session and she agreed for 500 more.

The girl was older than in her pictures, and definitely not a model. But BBBJ was excellent, and I will be able to watch this later when I miss Thailand.

Next stop in Bangkok I return to Analissa Massage. I was texting Poppy (with which I had a session last week) for a few days and we had scheduled another 4 hand tantra glory hole, with another lady, Teya, that she recommended.

Teya is pretty, good English, but no boobs. She came with a selection of strap on toys. But I gently declined, trusting her fingers better.

The session was very chatty, as they both had good English. And we keep making jokes and laughing. While being very naughty. They can both do FS, but their specialty is PM and HJ. 2 shots, with nice massage. Definitely a good combo Poppy + Teya.

Next up I try another Michelin star 80/20. I was not so impressed to be honest compared to the previous one (see previous report). Was original, some good plates but a bit too spicy and service was a bit rushed. 5 k.

That leaves me time to think about my next smooci pick. I hesitate with a nice ladyboy (Miranda) but I end up booking Bam [URL]https://smooci.com/escorts/IsxIn2[/URL]#.

She calls me to ask if she can come a bit later, sure.

She comes around 10 pm and she looks like her photos (a bit older, maybe 3-4 years). She's actually 32, not 25.

She tells me that even though she shared her real age on smooci, they put a different one, she's not sure why.

She has a very pretty face, maybe the prettiest of all smooci escorts. Great English. We actually spent more than one hour talking (which I did not mind). We shared about our lives, she's a strong personality, but looking to please client.

We take a shower together, then time for BBBJ. She wants FS but I ask her to keep BBBJ. After I complete, she says with a sneaky smile "I know why you don't want FS, you enjoy more BJ ". This is the type of interaction you get with Bam, like a real GF.

We then spend time looking at other smooci profiles, she shares with me that all her reviews are real. And she tells me about the bad reviews she got. Some horror stories about Indian dudes who invited her in their apt full of cockroaches, or some other guy who had a sick dick and she did not want to suck him. Both left bad reviews, and nothing she could do about it. She did not know that fake reviews were possible on smooci.

Before you know it, it was already 2 hours.

She also did not. Know about this forum. And was getting anxious about possible things I would write about her. I told her that it's up to her. And she answered "do as you. Please."

BTW, her body is curvy. With plenty of tattoos.

If you book her, she's the real girl next door. As cute as it gets, but with the body of a regular 32 year old woman who does not spend time at the gym.

For me her face, smile, personality and great English conversation made up for it. My best experience on smooci so far, and probably of all the girls is booked in Thailand. But it's personal taste.

Next report coming up soon. If ATM does not block my card.

So I start my day excited because I booked Kaede, the top masseuse at Mitu for 2 pm.

Just enough time to check out the gym, enjoy the pool and light lunch.

Kaede has a great body, and her face is half Indian / half Thai origin.

She's very professional from start to finish. She definitely does a great job at licking every other part of the body, and trying some positions I did not even think of.

I guess it's perfect Nuru massage. Except that she's a bit too pro / mechanic. From the fake moaning to the loud kissing, I have a hard time connecting with her. The second pop did not happen even though she tried hard for 10 minutes after session was over (very pro). 6 k, certainly top experience. But I would not go back again. Need something more "natural".

Next stop is legit massage place 15 minutes walk, called FootMaster. You guess it. They specialize in foot massage.

I actually walked by the week before, but they were full. A good sign.

This time I book a 60 min foot reflexology massage with a senior therapist (700 baht, double the usual rate).

I did 100's of foot massage in my life in many countries, included Thailand. But this one was something else. My therapist Pat (man) was 50+ and he was just "magical" at finding pressure points in my feet that I did not know existed. I suffered like hell during the massage. But he fixed my feet for real. I don't think I'll ever have a better foot massage in my life again. Try him if you stop by.

I have a couple hours before my 7 pm reservation at 2* Michelin are Haan.

I decide to try some fiwfan based on recommendations from a fellow member (thanks!

I decide to try Nan and I book her through LINE.

[URL]https://www.fiwfans.com/sideline/406rae5lvkw0xzzk6[/URL]

It's another shady motel, about 15 min scooter ride from central Bangkok. Clearly these motels are only used by hookers. It screams left and right on every floor and walls are razor thin. There's a tiny aquarium full of turtles in the lobby, so creepy.

I enter the room. Walls are falling apart because of humidity, very creepy.

Nan looks exactly like her pictures. Great body, cute face, basic English. Shower, usual BBBJ and positions. But for me, it was like playing with one of these expensive silicone dolls you can buy.

Looking at her reviews, you can understand that Thai folks are all over her. But for seasoned western folks. That's I think too "sterile". 1300/40 min. I left after 20.

That's my second fiwfan and reading other reports I think it's how it is for the locals. You can try it, it's cheap. But it's always the same scripted story, not surprise. I enjoyed way more the more expensive escort girls from agencies.

Time for my Michelin dinner, 3rd of the week. I kept the best for last (two stars). Well, quite an experience. Definitely extremely good, I think most dishes were presented with some unique artistic attention. I took a couple cocktails and bill was $6 k / 2 hours / too much food. I think this one was very close to Cadence in terms of food quality, better for artistic presentation but Cadence wins for service.

So I'm super full and take a Grab back to hotel.

As I enter I count the last bills I have in my pocket. I just paid cash the restaurant. 1300 baht is all that's left.

Now I remember that's exactly the price of BJ at 7 Heaven which is 5 min walk. How is that not a sign? Even though I'm tired and not sure I have another shot in me. I can't resist.

Before going I quickly search reports of fellow mongers. Jane and Dear come up (thanks!

I enter the shop. Very limited line up of 5 girls, and mandatory masks because of omicron. Lucky me, Dear is around.

I give my last 1300 baht and up we go.

Dear is super cute, but no boobs. Or I should say no fake boobs.

But oh boy. What a BBBJ she gives me. She does not use her hands at all. But she knows what she's doing. And even though I'm super tired, she manages to make me CIM.

Definitely recommended. Some expertise. And she's super nice.

Not sure what I will do for my last day. Stay tuned.

I had hoped this weekend would see The Great Wildlife Migration of girls in their provinces during the New Years week holiday back to Bangkok. But it was not to be.

Have to assume the reports and rumors of Omicron / Covid upticks kept most of them in their home provinces. The 3 most delightfully doable bargirls I have seen regularly over the past few months did not return to Bangkok and said they might not do so for several weeks. We'll see.

The bar and walking traffic was very light tonight, Friday night. Most bars in the lower Sukhumvit area were closing by 9 pm. Only a few sidewalk cart bars remained open on Soi 7 along with one or two cheater bars on Soi 4 and a couple of bars on Soi Cowboy with a few girls hanging around as late as 10 pm. Maybe 5-6 real females were in front of Thermae at the 9 pm hour.

I don't know what the scene was like after 10 pm because I was back in my apartment to meet a long time and pre Covid online regular for a lovely and satisfying Short Time by then.

Tried a site and they was responsive and send girl who was quite older mid 40.

Please suggest some hotel where european girl will be available for in-call.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=John94;2651057]

Next stop is legit massage place 15 minutes walk, called FootMaster. You guess it. They specialize in foot massage.

I actually walked by the week before, but they were full. A good sign.

This time I book a 60 min foot reflexology massage with a senior therapist (700 baht, double the usual rate).

I did 100's of foot massage in my life in many countries, included Thailand. But this one was something else. My therapist Pat (man) was 50+ and he was just "magical" at finding pressure points in my feet that I did not know existed. I suffered like hell during the massage. But he fixed my feet for real. I don't think I'll ever have a better foot massage in my life again. Try him if you stop by.
[/QUOTE]Where is this Footmaster located? It seems to be a franchise and there may be several in Bangkok. Thanks for your assistance!

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2651301]Where is this Footmaster located? It seems to be a franchise and there may be several in Bangkok. Thanks for your assistance![/QUOTE]FootMaster is Sukhumvit Soi 31, on the Right Hand side as you walk from Sukhuwit Road.

1 Hour foot massage is 500 for standard therapist or 600 for the senior massage therapist.

In my experince there is little different between the normal and senior therapist.

They also offer body massage etc as well.

If you are not used to a very hard foot massage be prepared for some PAIN - 555.

Last but not least. I decided to stop by Kokoro and try Mira as she came back from vacation.

I was hesitating between that and a legit Thai massage. I did not regret my choice as soon as I saw her.

She's more beautiful in real that on the site. She's 25, petite (1 m40) but with high heels 1. 50 she was dressed like business girl, very exciting.

I picked Nuru normal room (3900).

This place feels upscale, definitely more than Mitu Soap. The rooms are cleaner, with actual light.

Start with usual shower, BBBJ and some. Rimming and then onto the mattress.

She started doing Nuru 8 months ago, pretty new. But not bad.

Anyway the real fun starts when she flips me over, puts condom and starts riding. After 5 min she asks me If I want to be on top, I say yes.

And then for the next 45 min FS non stop. She moans so much that I wonder why after some time. Is it fake? To be honest I will never know. But if she fakes it then she is world. Class. Actress. However she kept rubbing her fingers on her clit. And had various moaning sounds depending on my action. So fake or not, it felt genuine and awesome.

And we went 20 minute over time. I think it could have lasted another 30 as there was no sign from her that I should stop.

If I come back to BKK I will definitely book her again.

Hope my reports were useful. The reports I found on this forum definitely made my trip great. Thanks everyone for sharing tips!

I walked past Soi Cowboy about 7 pm (Saturday) and they had both ends closed off. The only way to enter was by taking an on the spot Rapid Covid Test.

I showed them my vaccination certificate of which they had zero interest in. Just said "everyone" must take on spot covid test.

I cannot imagine many customers being prepared to enter the street under those circumstances because 1) It takes 15 minutes to get results 2) If you are positive they will register the result with the government which means hospital quarantine.

It will be interesting to see how long they do this. Cannot imagine it will last more than a week as the bars inside will have zero customers.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2651354]I walked past Soi Cowboy about 7 pm (Saturday) and they had both ends closed off. The only way to enter was by taking an on the spot Rapid Covid Test.

I showed them my vaccination certificate of which they had zero interest in. Just said "everyone" must take on spot covid test.

I cannot imagine many customers being prepared to enter the street under those circumstances because 1) It takes 15 minutes to get results 2) If you are positive they will register the result with the government which means hospital quarantine.

It will be interesting to see how long they do this. Cannot imagine it will last more than a week as the bars inside will have zero customers.[/QUOTE]This kind of crap is why I left Thailand and went to Brazil.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2651316]FootMaster is Sukhumvit Soi 31, on the Right Hand side as you walk from Sukhuwit Road.

1 Hour foot massage is 500 for standard therapist or 600 for the senior massage therapist.

In my experince there is little different between the normal and senior therapist.

They also offer body massage etc as well.

If you are not used to a very hard foot massage be prepared for some PAIN - 555.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your information on the location and your PRC test info. Thank you! There seems to another franchise near Ploenchit according to the website.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2651500]I appreciate your information on the location and your PRC test info. Thank you! There seems to another franchise near Ploenchit according to the website.[/QUOTE]There is more than one. There used to be one inside Amarin Plaza (Chidlom station). It's at back, when you enter Amarin Plaza from the BTS level, just go straight all the way to the back, it's the last shop on the right before you reach the parking area.

And yes, as far as foot massage goes, this is the best, no one else comes close.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2651354]I walked past Soi Cowboy about 7 pm (Saturday) and they had both ends closed off. The only way to enter was by taking an on the spot Rapid Covid Test.

I showed them my vaccination certificate of which they had zero interest in. Just said "everyone" must take on spot covid test.

I cannot imagine many customers being prepared to enter the street under those circumstances because 1) It takes 15 minutes to get results 2) If you are positive they will register the result with the government which means hospital quarantine.

It will be interesting to see how long they do this. Cannot imagine it will last more than a week as the bars inside will have zero customers.[/QUOTE]Many of the other bars around town are offering "Free Rapid Covid Test" with a basket of the tests for you to select at the entrance. Not that taking one is required, but they are there if you want one. However, don't be surprised if a girl you're chatting with in the bar playfully hands you one to show her you tested just as negative as she did today. LOL.

I suppose the best workaround for not being put on a list after testing positive in cases where a test is required to enter, other than simply not entering of course, is to give yourself a test before going out for the night. If it shows you are negative after the 15 minute wait time, chances are every free or required test you take for the next 3-4 hours will be negative too. Not guaranteed. But increased probability.

I have seen self tests for sale in some pharmacies for as low as 120 baht. The bars offering them for free must be getting them for free from the government.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2651544]There is more than one. There used to be one inside Amarin Plaza (Chidlom station). It's at back, when you enter Amarin Plaza from the BTS level, just go straight all the way to the back, it's the last shop on the right before you reach the parking area.

And yes, as far as foot massage goes, this is the best, no one else comes close.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the location of shop in Amarin Plaza. I think it was the one that was mentioned on the shop's website. I always get confused between Chidlom and Ploenchit stations.

Thanks for all your posts these many years. They have been honest and objective, which have helped many people reading your posts who have come to Thailand.

The bars are staying open until 11 pm now. Not sure if anyone is concerned about openly serving alcohol after 9 pm. I really haven't been following that issue. I saw some boys in brown show up at the entrance of the Soi 7 bar alley last night about 9:30 pm, chat briefly with some Asian customer and leave while the booze was being openly delivered to tables all around.

Have to say in the past week or two there has been a big increase in the number and quality of girls working in and around all the bars in the lower Sukhumvit area. Two of my three favorite regulars returned to Bangkok a few days ago.

Virtually all the beer bars are open, lively and many are packed with girls, the usual 10-20% of them as doable or better than your above average Bangkok go-go girl during normal times. Nana Plaza ground level as one big beer bar is a party every night. Aside from Soi Cowboy, free rapid Covid tests are available but not required to enter any bar that I have seen.

And as of last night there were very few customers around. We were outnumbered by available girls by many multiples.

Have to cough out 5400 Baht for 1st day Test and go and 4500 baht for 5th day. This totals to 9900 baht just for this temporary thing called test and go.

I am still ready to pay this right now as girls are cheaper by 500 baht daily, right? I saw the posts of this forum saying girls are available at 1300 to 1500 baht instead of the regular 2000 baht. This way I save those 9900 baht in about 20 days.

Please correct me.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2644686]Meanwhile, after the new year. I will check into a Japanese owned, Thai ran, Privat in Bangkok for a week long stay, just like the ones in Prague with many girls working out of. Basically, it's an all you can bang buffet from 0900-0200 for only1200 per session with over 75 girls to choose from. Rhymes with No No Smell. Have a good New Year bro![/QUOTE]Wow, is there such a thing in Thailand? What is the name and address?

[QUOTE=Visal;2656083]Have to cough out 5400 Baht for 1st day Test and go and 4500 baht for 5th day. This totals to 9900 baht just for this temporary thing called test and go.[/QUOTE]Wow. So there is basically a $350 charge for the pleasure to come to Thailand.

Thailand is not going to build back it tourism base with these complicated and costly entry procedures.

[QUOTE=Visal;2656083]Have to cough out 5400 Baht for 1st day Test and go and 4500 baht for 5th day. This totals to 9900 baht just for this temporary thing called test and go.

I am still ready to pay this right now as girls are cheaper by 500 baht daily, right? I saw the posts of this forum saying girls are available at 1300 to 1500 baht instead of the regular 2000 baht. This way I save those 9900 baht in about 20 days.

Please correct me.[/QUOTE]That's insane. Did you book through PSAS? When I went in November using Test and Go, I had already booked 2 x PCR for airport + day 4 (or 6) for Sandbox Entry. Total cost was around 5500 for both PCR tests. By the time I landed (and entered using Test and Go), only 1 PCR (at the airport) and 1 self-administered (free, I think?) antigen test on day 4 or 6 was necessary. I was even able to get half of the 5500 back by refunding the 2nd PCR test on the PSAS website.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2656131]Wow. So there is basically a $350 charge for the pleasure to come to Thailand.

Thailand is not going to build back it tourism base with these complicated and costly entry procedures.[/QUOTE]Much more than 350. Add one-night ASH-booking (including the airport pick-up) + flight booked in advance + Covid insurance covering the whole stay.

Booked 2 RT PCR tests and what not to enter Thailand man. Hope I make up this loss with cheaper girls on streets.

I got a deluxe room in Ruamchitt plaza for so cheap that its unbelievable price 13 USD. Haha!

In fact, I would not have to go till the streets, all girls are at the steps of this hotel. Just hope that they are girls indeed and not ladyboys. I think I read somewhere that there are ladyboys outside thermae / Ruamchitt plaza / Bush garden. Not sure, let me know here guys.

I would say on average about 1/2 are LB's in front of Thermae and the adjoining streets. Just ask if in doubt. However, some are cleverly disguised as they are Post-op and may not be totally honest about their gender.

[QUOTE=Visal;2656987]Booked 2 RT PCR tests and what not to enter Thailand man. Hope I make up this loss with cheaper girls on streets.

I got a deluxe room in Ruamchitt plaza for so cheap that its unbelievable price 13 USD. Haha!

In fact, I would not have to go till the streets, all girls are at the steps of this hotel. Just hope that they are girls indeed and not ladyboys. I think I read somewhere that there are ladyboys outside thermae / Ruamchitt plaza / Bush garden. Not sure, let me know here guys.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the below poster. First, you generally are going to want to request a five day package hotel stay at beginning of your stay. It's better than moving somewhere for a few days and then moving back for the Day5 test, and exposing yourself to unnecessary exposure risks. These designated hotels vary quite a bit in price but I would stay at a better one for the food, ambience, and hopefully a nice pool. Then, of course, there is the Covid insurance, which will vary depending on the length of your stay. There is also the PCR testing x 2 but I think some of the hotels offer that testing as part of their package deal for the hotel. I would not include flight costs in your budget as one has to pay for that regardless though it can be argued that airfares are generally higher than in the past.

In the end, it is the hotels best interest for the Thai government to continue this draconian Covid policy as long as possible as they stand to benefit significantly from the added revenue. Of course, smaller non corporate owned hotels are usually not part of this program. For what's it's worth, hotel prices, even for five star, are much less than in years past so take advantage of that phenomena for as long as it lasts.

[QUOTE=XXL;2656167]Much more than 350. Add one-night ASH-booking (including the airport pick-up) + flight booked in advance + Covid insurance covering the whole stay.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2651399]This kind of crap is why I left Thailand and went to Brazil.[/QUOTE]With this sort of attitude Thailand doesn't need you (but I'm certain that Mr Bolsonaro and the 250 K people who tested positive in Brazil yesterday will welcome you with open arms).

Personally, I think this sort of proportional, targeted action to control the spread of the virus will encourage many more to visit Thailand than those it scares away. And for all those who are happy to be positive and untested, then I'd say Thailand doesn't need you either.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2657373]With this sort of attitude Thailand doesn't need you (but I'm certain that Mr Bolsonaro and the 250 K people who tested positive in Brazil yesterday will welcome you with open arms).

Personally, I think this sort of proportional, targeted action to control the spread of the virus will encourage many more to visit Thailand than those it scares away. And for all those who are happy to be positive and untested, then I'd say Thailand doesn't need you either.[/QUOTE]If Thailand tested more than 10,000 Thais a day, they might discover how widespread Omicron is in Thailand.

Meanwhile, I will stay away as long as Thailand mandates use of inaccurate and ineffective measures such as looking at fake ATK tests at bars.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2651354]I walked past Soi Cowboy about 7 pm (Saturday) and they had both ends closed off. The only way to enter was by taking an on the spot Rapid Covid Test.

I showed them my vaccination certificate of which they had zero interest in. Just said "everyone" must take on spot covid test.

I cannot imagine many customers being prepared to enter the street under those circumstances because 1) It takes 15 minutes to get results 2) If you are positive they will register the result with the government which means hospital quarantine.

It will be interesting to see how long they do this. Cannot imagine it will last more than a week as the bars inside will have zero customers.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Explorer8939;2651399]This kind of crap is why I left Thailand and went to Brazil.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Llantarnam;2657373]With this sort of attitude Thailand doesn't need you (but I'm certain that Mr Bolsonaro and the 250 K people who tested positive in Brazil yesterday will welcome you with open arms).

Personally, I think this sort of proportional, targeted action to control the spread of the virus will encourage many more to visit Thailand than those it scares away. And for all those who are happy to be positive and untested, then I'd say Thailand doesn't need you either.[/QUOTE]Hey Llantarnam,

If you want to visit Thailand with these conditions and mandates hanging over your head, knock yourself out. But every fellow punter that I know is staying away from LOS as long as this BS reigns. Most of us have been vaxed 3 x and we feel enough is enough already. Travel is supposed to be all about having a good time. I know I could not really relax and feel totally comfortable in Thailand with these draconian measures hanging over my head. But that is just the view of yours truly and like I said all my punter friends.

As to the politics of it, ask yourself this: have the Thai mandates and lockdowns really worked? I don't think so. Maybe at first they did when the country was in total lockdown, but I know a lot of Thai girls and they know a ton more girls that have caught Omicron in the last month and half even after being vaxed twice. They were sick a few days, but after testing positive they had to spend 14 days a prisoner in a Covid hospital ward. Meanwhile Brazil is open and it rocks! I have been to Brazil 2 x in 2021 and I will be returning for a 3rd visit in April. All you need to enter Brazil is proof of vaccination and negative Covid test before departure from your home country. All the bars, bordellos, and massage shops are open and everyone is having a great time.

The only good thing I can say about Covid is that it opened my eyes to the possibilities elsewhere and broke my Thai addiction of more that 20 years. It is a matter of personal taste which country has prettier girls, Thailand or Brazil, but one thing is beyond debate: Brazilian girls are way better in bed. That's a fact, Jack. 555 / KKK. So see you in LOS after all restrictions, mandates, and forced quarantines are permanently lifted and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2657013]some are cleverly disguised as they are Post-op and may not be totally honest about their gender.[/QUOTE]Aren't post ops considered female so they are technically not lying? I didn't want to post the photos but there were a couple of transgender men who competed as females in the last Olympics. One of them won Gold.

I would argue they are not female. They had an operation to remove their sexual organs and used these parts to create an artificial opening. Genetically, they remain male no matter how many hormones or surgical procedures they have. If you have ever seen photos of the surgeries, it generally does not look like the real McCoy. However, I will grant you that in the end it does not matter if both parties enjoy themselves.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2657410]Aren't post ops considered female so they are technically not lying? I didn't want to post the photos because I didn't know if they were allowed but there were a couple of transgender men who competed as females in the last Olympics. One of them won Gold.[/QUOTE]

I absolutely agree with you. I could have worded my post much better. Just pointing out how society views them and any post op will tell you they are female. You know these days with the new terms like non binary, etc.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2657413]I would argue they are not female. They had an operation to remove their sexual organs and used these parts to create an artificial opening. Genetically, they remain male no matter how many hormones or surgical procedures they have. If you have ever seen photos of the surgeries, it generally does not look like the real McCoy. However, I will grant you that in the end it does not matter if both parties enjoy themselves.[/QUOTE]You are being way way way too narrow in your thinking.

Sexual identity statement is made at birth by a doctor based purely on "physical characterization" that can be seen, not on chromosome testing.

In many such cases genetically aligned women are "named" as males at birth.

Thailand is enlightened enough as a society to allow these to easily change their gender to align physically and mentally.

If they then have excellent gender realignment / correction surgery, which their is plenty of, then they are now female fully, and you will not be able to pick them.

And yes, many others use this approach too, some maybe only mentally female.

As to photos of the surgeries and results post it for the "woman" many you will be totally unable to pick.

And in all ways they are female in function.

Did you know now that the better surgeries can create a pussy that lubricates, and a clitoris that can orgasm?

Watch this. [URL]https://www.medicalvideos.com/video/7372/Male-to-Female-Sex-Change-Surgery--How-it-Is-done?[/URL].

Read this. [URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17413887/[/URL].

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2657419]I absolutely agree with you. I could have worded my post much better. Just pointing out how society views them and any post op will tell you they are female. You know these days with the new terms like non binary, etc.[/QUOTE]Its way more complicated than that.

Katoey, female sex change, even unchanged are fully legally recognized in Thailand.

And its not just an add on of recent times, the constitution even has three genders.

This was my earlier post today on this.

You are being way way way too narrow in your thinking.

Sexual identity statement is made at birth by a doctor based purely on "physical characterization" that can be seen, not on chromosome testing.

In many such cases genetically aligned women are "named" as males at birth.

Thailand is enlightened enough as a society to allow these to easily change their gender to align physically and mentally.

If they then have excellent gender realignment / correction surgery, which their is plenty of, then they are now female fully, and you will not be able to pick them.

And yes, many others use this approach too, some maybe only mentally female.

As to photos of the surgeries and results post it for the "woman" many you will be totally unable to pick.

And in all ways they are female in function.

Did you know now that the better surgeries can create a pussy that lubricates, and a clitoris that can orgasm?

Watch this. [URL]https://www.medicalvideos.com/video/7372/Male-to-Female-Sex-Change-Surgery--How-it-Is-done?[/URL].

Read this. [URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17413887/[/URL].

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2657399]Hey Llantarnam,

If you want to visit Thailand with these conditions and mandates hanging over your head, knock yourself out. But every fellow punter that I know is staying away from LOS as long as this BS reigns. Most of us have been vaxed 3 x and we feel enough is enough already. Travel is supposed to be all about having a good time. I know I could not really relax and feel totally comfortable in Thailand with these draconian measures hanging over my head. But that is just the view of yours truly and like I said all my punter friends.

As to the politics of it, ask yourself this: have the Thai mandates and lockdowns really worked? I don't think so. Maybe at first they did when the country was in total lockdown, but I know a lot of Thai girls and they know a ton more girls that have caught Omicron in the last month and half even after being vaxed twice. They were sick a few days, but after testing positive they had to spend 14 days a prisoner in a Covid hospital ward. Meanwhile Brazil is open and it rocks! I have been to Brazil 2 x in 2021 and I will be returning for a 3rd visit in April. All you need to enter Brazil is proof of vaccination and negative Covid test before departure from your home country. All the bars, bordellos, and massage shops are open and everyone is having a great time..[/QUOTE]Hahaha.

Thai girls who ended up in covid prisons, hospital or hospitels happened pretty much because they wanted it to.

Most hid out away from the authorities and isolated at home.

Those that made themselves known had stronger symptoms and they were looking for the government cash handouts that came with hospitalization.

There was a lot of money (baht) available there as support for them early on so they chased it, and many got it.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2657603]Hahaha.

Thai girls who ended up in covid prisons, hospital or hospitels happened pretty much because they wanted it to.

Most hid out away from the authorities and isolated at home.

Those that made themselves known had stronger symptoms and they were looking for the government cash handouts that came with hospitalization.

There was a lot of money (baht) available there as support for them early on so they chased it, and many got it.[/QUOTE]It is likely that many girls did as you say and did not voluntarily get tested when they had flu like symptoms. But I speak specifically about some girls I know. For example my Mini, one of my favorite girls who I have known for over ten years. She came down with flu like symptoms' shortly after her return from visiting her family over New Years weekend. Because she was concerned about her health, she naïvely went and got tested. I warned her not to. She tested positive and the next thing she knew a van came to her apartment and picked her up. She was feeling much better by the 3rd day of her incarceration. Beginning on day 5 she begged the hospital to let her go back home. She cried at night. The girl she shared a room with was seriously ill. She had to wear a mask 24 hours a day except when eating. Lights were turned off at 9 pm. That is prison.

She has some form of health insurance which she thinks is the reason the hospital authorities kept her against her will in the hospital. But her insurance did not cover her full expenses and she is on the hook for the balance. So, I assure you she did not profit from her ordeal. In addition, she has 2 other girlfriends who I also have known quite well for many years and they too were forced to stay in Covid hospital ward for 14 days after testing positive after New Years and they too did not profit from their internment.

But the relevant point for all of us considering a visit back to LOS under the present draconian Covid measures in place is: do you want to take the risk of a 14 day forced Covid hospitalization if you should test positive to Covid at any time during your visit. Not me and not 99% of my monger pals. But I have nothing against any one who chooses to go at the present time. Enjoy your trip and stay well.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2656131]Wow. So there is basically a $350 charge for the pleasure to come to Thailand.

Thailand is not going to build back it tourism base with these complicated and costly entry procedures.[/QUOTE]I am so desperate to go to a place with cheap pussy which does not attract too many questions from friends and family, that I just paid 15500 THB for the current Test & Go program. For that money I got a reasonable hotel on Soi 4, two PCR tests, transport from the airport and 5 nights with breakfast. With the air fare on top of that, now I just need to buy my insurance and apply for the entry pass. Wish me luck.

Thats how desperate and bored I am to get back to the hobby.

Johnie.

Yes, an excellent post. The government seems to be able to act with absolute impunity and a denial of your civil rights that would not be acceptable in a free democrátic society. It seems to be the more autocratic leaning a country is, the more they want to control peoples movements. Covid gives them an excuse to detain people, in this case in a hospitel or hospital. As Exhibit A, look at how China treats their citizens at the moment. This is why any testing numbers here are laughable. Anyone with an ounce of sense are not going to allow themselves to be tested and end up confined AGAINST their will.

I think any foreigner considering entering Thailand right now has not fully thought out the risks involved. The Thai government I think is essentially telling farangs that we don't want you here and if you do get in and test positive at any point, we are throwing you in the proverbial slammer. It would be one thing if it were effective in deterring Covid but they do almost nothing to control their borders allowing countless illegal immigrants in the country to work at near slavery levels.

Thanks for pointing out an actual story of what happens to people who test positive in a Thailand.

The current restrictive Test and Go (and test again. WTF) entry requirements plus the risk of being sent to hospital quarantine are probably going to be scrapped in a couple of months if there are no major spikes in covid cases. Hopefully in 2 or 3 months they will both be gone.

Most expats here in Bangkok have decided that if they get covid that they will quietly isolate at home if the symptons are not too bad. Likewise if one has to go anywhere near a PCR test it is best to take a good ATK / Rapid test before hand. Would not be great to have to spend 14 days in Hospital Q.

One point on ATK or Rapid Tests. Many Thai pharmacies have a cheaper version, THB 75 or so. They are not very accurate. The more expensive tests that are around THB 200 from Boots or Watsons are much more reliable, not perfect but way better than the generic ultra cheap test.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2656131]Wow. So there is basically a $350 charge for the pleasure to come to Thailand.

Thailand is not going to build back it tourism base with these complicated and costly entry procedures.[/QUOTE]For some people $350 is chump change, so they'll be back. The Covid economic recovery has to start somewhere so I give them points for trying (anything). There might be a need for us all to chill out a bit to move ahead I'm afraid.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2657987]The current restrictive Test and Go (and test again. WTF) entry requirements plus the risk of being sent to hospital quarantine are probably going to be scrapped in a couple of months if there are no major spikes in covid cases. Hopefully in 2 or 3 months they will both be gone.

Most expats here in Bangkok have decided that if they get covid that they will quietly isolate at home if the symptons are not too bad. Likewise if one has to go anywhere near a PCR test it is best to take a good ATK / Rapid test before hand. Would not be great to have to spend 14 days in Hospital Q.

One point on ATK or Rapid Tests. Many Thai pharmacies have a cheaper version, THB 75 or so. They are not very accurate. The more expensive tests that are around THB 200 from Boots or Watsons are much more reliable, not perfect but way better than the generic ultra cheap test.[/QUOTE]I have gotten covid and recovered in Thailand.

My own experience is that throughout the whole ordeal, I have never tested positive on ATK tests. But my PCR test was positive (same day I tested negative even on ATK) and I was down with mild symptoms (exactly like the symptoms they say about the new variant on news). After I recovered, I returned to my country and still got tested positive on PCR (you can still test positive after recovery from covid). Till then I still tested negative on ATK tests.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2657987]The current restrictive Test and Go (and test again. WTF) entry requirements plus the risk of being sent to hospital quarantine are probably going to be scrapped in a couple of months if there are no major spikes in covid cases. Hopefully in 2 or 3 months they will both be gone.

Most expats here in Bangkok have decided that if they get covid that they will quietly isolate at home if the symptons are not too bad. Likewise if one has to go anywhere near a PCR test it is best to take a good ATK / Rapid test before hand. Would not be great to have to spend 14 days in Hospital Q.

One point on ATK or Rapid Tests. Many Thai pharmacies have a cheaper version, THB 75 or so. They are not very accurate. The more expensive tests that are around THB 200 from Boots or Watsons are much more reliable, not perfect but way better than the generic ultra cheap test.[/QUOTE]Max, I have to ask you a question. Do you personally know any expats living here who tested positive and had to quarantine in a hospital or field hospital or hotel? I ask because I do not know of any. Myself and one of my friends tested positive at Bumrungrad hospital (we knew we were positive but wanted to get early treatment to speed up the recovery process). Never of us were required to quarantine in the hospital or any other government required facility. We were allowed to quarantine in our condos The Thai health department was notified and they checked on us regularly by phone. They also notified our condos management teams with our positive status and instructions for taking care of us for 14 days. I. E. Delivering any take out food or other online purchases from the market directly to our rooms. We were given the option of going to a specific hotel for 14 days for 150,000 Thai baht which we declined.

Tourists on the other hand would probably have no options besides a hospital or a quarantine designated hotel. Thankfully they did treat us as expats a little differently by allowing us to stay in our seperate condos.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2658052]Max, I have to ask you a question. Do you personally know any expats living here who tested positive and had to quarantine in a hospital or field hospital or hotel? I ask because I do not know of any. Myself and one of my friends tested positive at Bumrungrad hospital (we knew we were positive but wanted to get early treatment to speed up the recovery process). Never of us were required to quarantine in the hospital or any other government required facility. We were allowed to quarantine in our condos The Thai health department was notified and they checked on us regularly by phone. They also notified our condos management teams with our positive status and instructions for taking care of us for 14 days. I. E. Delivering any take out food or other online purchases from the market directly to our rooms. We were given the option of going to a specific hotel for 14 days for 150,000 Thai baht which we declined.

Tourists on the other hand would probably have no options besides a hospital or a quarantine designated hotel. Thankfully they did treat us as expats a little differently by allowing us to stay in our seperate condos.[/QUOTE]If you have a thai residence address, you are allowed to quarantine in your residence. Whether its owned or rented. Doesn't matter if Thai or foreigner.

Yes, tourists don't have this option.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2658052] We were given the option of going to a specific hotel for 14 days for 150,000 Thai baht which we declined.[/QUOTE]150,000? That's $4,500 US! I had better be getting true Japanese Kobe beef, all you can eat bluefin tuna, and Foie Gras for that price!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2658110]150,000? That's $4,500 US! I had better be getting true Japanese Kobe beef, all you can eat bluefin tuna, and Foie Gras for that price![/QUOTE]That's actually not the real bill. That's the deposit. Usually the deposit amount covers more than the expected total bill. The balance would be refunded after discharge and settlement of the bill.

Yes, I think that a fair prognosis of when sanctions will be lifted, which will put us right at the start of low and very hot season — April, May, more or less. Not much help to anyone, certainly not tourists who generally prefer coming in the cooler and dry months.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2657987]The current restrictive Test and Go (and test again. WTF) entry requirements plus the risk of being sent to hospital quarantine are probably going to be scrapped in a couple of months if there are no major spikes in covid cases. Hopefully in 2 or 3 months they will both be gone.

Most expats here in Bangkok have decided that if they get covid that they will quietly isolate at home if the symptons are not too bad. Likewise if one has to go anywhere near a PCR test it is best to take a good ATK / Rapid test before hand. Would not be great to have to spend 14 days in Hospital Q.

One point on ATK or Rapid Tests. Many Thai pharmacies have a cheaper version, THB 75 or so. They are not very accurate. The more expensive tests that are around THB 200 from Boots or Watsons are much more reliable, not perfect but way better than the generic ultra cheap test.[/QUOTE]

And a mamasan at one of the bars told me the mandatory tests to enter are over for now. We'll see.

I buzzed by around 8:30 PM. At a mamasan's urging when she saw me and called me by name, I parked my bike and went onto Soi Cowboy to have a drink at one of the makeshift outdoor beer bars. "I haven't seen you here in a long time. I only see you at Nana! Good to see you here" she said to me.

A girl I have known for years stepped out of her group of friends and fellow bargirls, mostly lookers, and blocked my way in front of Kazy Kozy so I couldn't miss her. In my book she is still an easy solid 8 among Bangkok go-go bargirls even at the ripe old age of must be 24 by now. She seemed happy to see me and I was happy to see her.

I told her I would buy her a drink. She seemed thrilled, especially since there must have been 40-50 girls at various bars on the soi and maybe only a dozen or so customers including me. I ordered mine and she leaned in and said "coke and tequila". I asked her to repeat it to make sure I heard right. She did.

Well, I'll be damned, the old "coke and tequila" scam that Soi Cowboy is more famous for than any other bar area in the city. See, the girl assumes some rube tourist won't realize, notice or make a fuss over the fact that she just ordered 2 ladydrinks, not the one drink you offered or agreed to buy her. There is no "coke and tequila" cocktail. That is two ladydrinks. On this soi, that's about 400 baht right now. My club soda was 160 baht.

I probably should have just stood up and said bye right then and there. But for old time's sake with this girl I didn't. However, I did say, "No, honey. That's two drinks, not one. I'll buy you one now".

Then I waited for her to start entertaining me since I was the paying customer and she was the "entertainment. " But nothing of the kind happened. It was all on me. "How have you been? Good to see some of the bars re-opening. Last time I saw you was at blah blah blah," that sort of thing.

Maybe the fact that I did not allow her to pull a classic scam on what has always lived up to in my opinion the scammiest bar area in Bangkok, Soi Cowboy, put a damper on her mood. Oh well. She downed that coke damn fast and asked if I would buy her another drink. Uh no.

I cut it short, paid my bill, thanked her for her time and stood to leave. The mamasan said, "Why you go? She likes you!" I told her, "She tried to pull that old "coke and tequila" scam on me. You haven't seen me in a while? It's going to be a while longer before you or anybody else on this soi sees me here again. Take care".

I guess I have a low tolerance for bullshit these days. Sometimes I wonder why I ever bother to give Soi Cowboy another chance to prove to me it isn't the scammiest scam bar area in Bangkok if not all of Thailand. As far as I can recall, it had been about a year before Covid that I'd had a minimally acceptable barfine and sex experience with a Soi Cowboy bargirl that wasn't fraught with one scam attempt after another in the bar or in the room. I had put another Soi Cowboy girl from another bar out with only 200 baht just a few weeks ago for pulling some bullshit in the room.

Anyway, I then buzzed by an area further down on Sukhumvit where a perfectly ordinary girl-next-door type young lady I have seen a few times lately can often be found sitting with her family, watching the world go by. I stopped my bike, waved Hi, she quickly got up and walked over to hop on the back of my bike.

I would say she comes in at a 6.5 at best. I am sure many guys here would look at her pic and say "I'll pass. Where are the hot, sexy babes?" But they would be missing out on one of the sweetest, most gently accommodating, lovely young ladies of no more than about 22 years old they'd ever have. Fit young body, super smooth skin, sweet, almost a dreamgirl type face. And, most of all, nothing like a typical hooker or bargirl. And one of the finest, young, baby-free, snug, firm and wet pussies around.

Hey, not that she is homely at all. If she'd been my date at my 50 Year High School Reunion in the USA that was called off last year for Covid, she'd be an off-the-chart 10! Every old lady in the place would have wanted to kill her and then me. And, IMHO, every heterosexual man in the place including the young hotel staff would have been delighted to fuck her.

But in this environment, I'd say about a 6.5 at best.

I had a very rewarding, relaxed, no hurry Short Time in my apartment with her, I gave her 1,500 baht and she hugged me in thanks for it like it had been 15,000 baht. Her being a kinda' sorta' regular girl type of freelancer and not a bargirl, there was no barfine, no ladydrinks, no hassles and no regrets from me I assure you. Seriously, I had only skipped one day of fucking and finishing, only took one of my usual 100 MG Sidegras, yet my dick felt rock hard and aching to finish inside this little honey from the moment of insertion.

I've had plenty of sex with a couple of favorite repeats lately that I would consider high 7's or solid 8's among Bangkok hookers. However, the sweetness of this girl and having lovely real sex with her was a totally satisfying treat that had me ready to bust a nut as though I'd been celebate for a week.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2658138]Yes, I think that a fair prognosis of when sanctions will be lifted, which will put us right at the start of low and very hot season April, May, more or less. Not much help to anyone, certainly not tourists who generally prefer coming in the cooler and dry months.[/QUOTE]The volume of customers in Pattaya bars is very predictable. I told my harem during the summer that they would all forget me in High Season, which they did. When Songkran ends, and the customers leave town, the ladies will find my social media contacts again.

Anyway, my plan was to leave town during High Season. Mission accomplished.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2658096]If you have a thai residence address, you are allowed to quarantine in your residence. Whether its owned or rented. Doesn't matter if Thai or foreigner.

Yes, tourists don't have this option.[/QUOTE]In order to self isolate you need the permission from the condo. Our condo unfortunately does not allow self isolation. Since the pandemic started there have been 15 cases in our condo, all carted off to hospitals / hospitels.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2658166]Anyway, I then buzzed by an area further down on Sukhumvit where a perfectly ordinary girl-next-door type young lady I have seen a few times lately can often be found sitting with her family, watching the world go by. I stopped my bike, waved Hi, she quickly got up and walked over to hop on the back of my bike.

I would say she comes in at a 6.5 at best. I am sure many guys here would look at her pic and say "I'll pass. Where are the hot, sexy babes?" But they would be missing out on one of the sweetest, most gently accommodating, lovely young ladies of no more than about 22 years old they'd ever have. Fit young body, super smooth skin, sweet, almost a dreamgirl type face. And, most of all, nothing like a typical hooker or bargirl. And one of the finest, young, baby-free, snug, firm and wet pussies around.[/QUOTE]You the man. That is exactly the type of gal I look for whenever I'm in BKK. I have zero interest in bar girls, gogos or soapies. But the girl you described is perfect in my book. That's the type who will give forth 100% and you leave you trembling in your bedsheets. I'll be in BKK in a few months, getting some dentures done. Can't wait to find my own next set of consecutive honeys.

In addition to Thaifriendly, there's also Thaiflirting. Totally free and no waiting around 10 minutes between sending messages.

I also just recently discovered a treasure trove of websites featuring 'sideline' girls. All in Thai, of course, but google will translate for you. The prices are sure a lot better than what most of you numbskulls seem all to eager to pay as well. Check and report back. Go.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.sidelinethailand.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dek-sideline.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiger-clubsideline.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ydclub.websit[/URL]e / home-page.

[URL]https://sideline2u.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://xn--c3cspb1dibx6e2g0bc5a1fd.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.fanfinfin.co/[/URL]

You're welcome.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2658166]And a mamasan at one of the bars told me the mandatory tests to enter are over for now. We'll see.
[/QUOTE]Superb info.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2658394]In addition to Thaifriendly, there's also Thaiflirting. Totally free and no waiting around 10 minutes between sending messages.

I also just recently discovered a treasure trove of websites featuring 'sideline' girls. All in Thai, of course, but google will translate for you. The prices are sure a lot better than what most of you numbskulls seem all to eager to pay as well. Check and report back. Go.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.sidelinethailand.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dek-sideline.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiger-clubsideline.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ydclub.websit[/URL]e / home-page.

[URL]https://sideline2u.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://xn--c3cspb1dibx6e2g0bc5a1fd.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.fanfinfin.co/[/URL]

You're welcome.[/QUOTE]Sharing is caring!

[QUOTE=Visal;2658595]Sharing is caring![/QUOTE]Yepper! Share back if you have any luck with any of these.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2658394]In addition to Thaifriendly, there's also Thaiflirting. Totally free and no waiting around 10 minutes between sending messages.

I also just recently discovered a treasure trove of websites featuring 'sideline' girls. All in Thai, of course, but google will translate for you. The prices are sure a lot better than what most of you numbskulls seem all to eager to pay as well. Check and report back. Go.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.sidelinethailand.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dek-sideline.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiger-clubsideline.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ydclub.websit[/URL]e / home-page.

[URL]https://sideline2u.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://xn--c3cspb1dibx6e2g0bc5a1fd.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.fanfinfin.co/[/URL]

You're welcome.[/QUOTE]I believe this list is very similar to the sites posted in Khundig's Sideline girl thread. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4261-Bangkok-Sideline-Websites[/URL].

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2658394]In addition to Thaifriendly, there's also Thaiflirting. Totally free and no waiting around 10 minutes between sending messages.[/QUOTE]I started using ThaiFlirting in 2017 and what you say is true. They do have a premium version, but the only upgrade of which I'm aware is unlimited use of their translator, for which you can substitute any free translation app.

The shortcomings of ThaiFlirting are that it is a much smaller database than than ThaiFriendly and far fewer girls are looking for P4P. It's very good for people who are seeking a vacation girlfriend with possibility of becoming a wife.

ThaiFriendly is much better if you are looking to connect online today and fuck tomorrow (or sooner). I recommend that traveling punters get a paid ThaiFriendly membership a week or two before travel and maintain it for the duration of your trip.

I'm finally back in Thailand for the next few months, luckily made a window where there's only 1-day quarantine, and flew to Samui for a little non-mongering style relaxation.

And guess what? I caught covid, even though I have 3 vaccinations and I'm quite careful about wearing my mask, except when I eat at restaurants.

I took 2 brands of quick tests, both returned negative results, but I was feeling so bad I went to a hospital, and tested positive.

The entire experience (besides what was probably one of the worst flus I've had) wasn't terrible. The hotel they quarantined me in had an ocean view, and the food wasn't bad.

Still. It shows that even being careful and vaccinated you can get infected.

[QUOTE=MissionAsia;2659045]I'm finally back in Thailand for the next few months, luckily made a window where there's only 1-day quarantine, and flew to Samui for a little non-mongering style relaxation.

And guess what? I caught covid, even though I have 3 vaccinations and I'm quite careful about wearing my mask, except when I eat at restaurants.

I took 2 brands of quick tests, both returned negative results, but I was feeling so bad I went to a hospital, and tested positive.

The entire experience (besides what was probably one of the worst flus I've had) wasn't terrible. The hotel they quarantined me in had an ocean view, and the food wasn't bad.

Still. It shows that even being careful and vaccinated you can get infected.[/QUOTE]Witch one (s) Sinovac? Or maybe Sputnik V?

[QUOTE=MissionAsia;2659045]I'm finally back in Thailand for the next few months, luckily made a window where there's only 1-day quarantine, and flew to Samui for a little non-mongering style relaxation. And guess what? I caught covid, even though I have 3 vaccinations and I'm quite careful about wearing my mask, except when I eat at restaurants. I took 2 brands of quick tests, both returned negative results, but I was feeling so bad I went to a hospital, and tested positive. The entire experience (besides what was probably one of the worst flus I've had) wasn't terrible. The hotel they quarantined me in had an ocean view, and the food wasn't bad. Still. It shows that even being careful and vaccinated you can get infected.[/QUOTE]I too would be interested in what vaccines you got. I too caught covid here in Pattaya (took an antigen test when I was feeling a bit feverish) but I just stayed in my condo for 4 days and when I felt better took another test that came back negative. There is a big risk going to the hospital as a tourist if your feeling a bit ill, that ocean view hotel could easily have been a one star motel with no window and an old tv and then a 20,000 baht bill after 10 days. And you can't argue you'll self isolate in your condo, some condo's have rules saying you can't stay there with covid.

Pretty amazing to hear given your vax status. Guess you are fortunate this occurred in Samui rather than Bangkok where rumor has it, a case of Covid would land you in a hospitel prison or a normal hospital. How many days are you in quarantine and how many days were you planning to spend in a Thailand overall?

[QUOTE=MissionAsia;2659045]I'm finally back in Thailand for the next few months, luckily made a window where there's only 1-day quarantine, and flew to Samui for a little non-mongering style relaxation.

And guess what? I caught covid, even though I have 3 vaccinations and I'm quite careful about wearing my mask, except when I eat at restaurants.

I took 2 brands of quick tests, both returned negative results, but I was feeling so bad I went to a hospital, and tested positive.

The entire experience (besides what was probably one of the worst flus I've had) wasn't terrible. The hotel they quarantined me in had an ocean view, and the food wasn't bad.

Still. It shows that even being careful and vaccinated you can get infected.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TConor;2659112]Witch one (s) Sinovac? Or maybe Sputnik V?[/QUOTE]It is known from the beginning that vaccines doesn't prevent you from being infected, even the American and European ones.

Your comment implies that the two above cited brands are less effective than the Western made ones.

Interestingly, these two brands are coming from countries that America is desperately trying to fight with.

You sound like a very heavily brainwashed guy.

[QUOTE=MissionAsia;2659045]And guess what? I caught covid, even though I have 3 vaccinations and I'm quite careful about wearing my mask, except when I eat at restaurants.[/QUOTE]Yes, I caught Covid after 3 vaccinations too, fortunately it was very light just like a cold so 2 AstraZeneca and a pfizer saved me from ending up in ICU with a tube down my throat.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2659186]Yes, I caught Covid after 3 vaccinations too, fortunately it was very light just like a cold so 2 AstraZeneca and a pfizer saved me from ending up in ICU with a tube down my throat.[/QUOTE]I can't help laughing every time I come across Covid narrative here. Pfizer should be proud of his little boys here.

I got Covid two weeks ago, like million others in France. Fever and cramps. Took ivermectine, the banned poison used by millions, and got back to work the day after.

Fortunately, my fifth shot prevented me from being in a coma. Two Moderna, two pfizer, one novavax in order to test recombined spike protein and one classic Valneva just to be sure.

You are a bunch of sissies. Kids are swapping gums in order to get Covid now and to avoid shots.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2659174]It is known from the beginning that vaccines doesn't prevent you from being infected, even the American and European ones.

Your comment implies that the two above cited brands are less effective than the Western made ones.

Interestingly, these two brands are coming from countries that America is desperately trying to fight with.

You sound like a very heavily brainwashed guy.[/QUOTE]Why the ad hominem? Because his "implied" opinion differs from yours? Toss in a bit of impled US bashing, besides?

I got the Modernas, all three. I haven't got covid as far as I know. My kid had the SinoVac with a Pfizer booster. She got the Rona.

Whoopee. When is Thermae opening that's all I care about.

You are right, these covid junkies are really funny, always smile when I read about their ICU paranoia.

Any recent experiences with Bangkok G-clubs, namely The Pimp? Saw Natty Bumpo's reports from a while ago, wondering if anyone has been there since Covid. Still the top place for head turners?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2658138]Yes, I think that a fair prognosis of when sanctions will be lifted, which will put us right at the start of low and very hot season April, May, more or less. Not much help to anyone, certainly not tourists who generally prefer coming in the cooler and dry months.[/QUOTE]I think when the sanctions will be lifted the country will be flooded with (sex) tourists, no matter if it's 'only' 30 degrees C. or 40 degrees C. out there. And lots of tourists means lots of girls will come back from their provinces. So there won't be a low season this year, when that happens.

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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2659979]I think when the sanctions will be lifted the country will be flooded with (sex) tourists, no matter if it's 'only' 30 degrees C. or 40 degrees C. out there. And lots of tourists means lots of girls will come back from their provinces. So there won't be a low season this year, when that happens.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Once Thailand agrees to no quarantine and no PCR test on arrival there will be a huge flood of all sorts of tourists. Won't matter if it's high or low season.

Now that some guys are posting actual reviews in Pattaya Reports and Bangkok Reports hopefully we can all respond to COVID discussion posts in the COVID thread.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2658394]In addition to Thaifriendly, there's also Thaiflirting. Totally free and no waiting around 10 minutes between sending messages.

I also just recently discovered a treasure trove of websites featuring 'sideline' girls. All in Thai, of course, but google will translate for you. The prices are sure a lot better than what most of you numbskulls seem all to eager to pay as well. Check and report back. Go..[/QUOTE]When I use google to translate the website, all the content disappears.

Is there a way to make this work, or do I need to browse in Thai and only copy and paste the text to translate?

[QUOTE=Rextor;2659883]Any recent experiences with Bangkok G-clubs, namely The Pimp? Saw Natty Bumpo's reports from a while ago, wondering if anyone has been there since Covid. Still the top place for head turners?[/QUOTE]The Pimp is a giant waste of money. Everything is extra $ there and be sure to watch your bill and keep track of what is ordered or they will add to your bill.

You're much better off getting a luxury hotel suite and a couple top girls from nana+ booze for the same price. Pimp girls are not that hot, unless maybe you like cheaply done boob jobs.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2659883]Any recent experiences with Bangkok G-clubs, namely The Pimp? Saw Natty Bumpo's reports from a while ago, wondering if anyone has been there since Covid. Still the top place for head turners?[/QUOTE]I think the pimp is still closed but will likely reopen in a few months.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2660220]When I use google to translate the website, all the content disappears.

Is there a way to make this work, or do I need to browse in Thai and only copy and paste the text to translate?[/QUOTE]There are some cases where I need to do exactly what you suggest, copy and paste to my translation software. Very easy on a laptop.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2660220]When I use google to translate the website, all the content disappears.

Is there a way to make this work, or do I need to browse in Thai and only copy and paste the text to translate?[/QUOTE]I use Google Chrome with Google Translate and it automatically translates all the Thai to English as if I am browsing the website completely in English. I do not have to copy and paste. The browser automatically changes everything to English as I navigate the website. The only thing that does not translate automatically is pictures that have Thai (or other languages) in the pictures. Basically it will not auto-translate anything that you cannot copy and paste. Try using Google Chrome if that is not your standard browser. You can also add the Google Translate extension for Google Chrome and that will give you some additional translation features as well.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2660292]I think the pimp is still closed but will likely reopen in a few months.[/QUOTE]I think you are right, I believe all the big Gentlmans clubs have all been closed since the big Delta surge which was allegedly started in the G Clubs around ThongLo namely the Krystal Club and Emerald Club.

For anybody that complains about the prices in Nana etc. These clubs are on another level. Prices so high will make your nose bleed!

Newbie question from a non-newbie.

I noticed the only truly vibrant and cheerful area on an otherwise depressing Sukhumvit is the cluster of bars on Soi 7. What's the typical barfine at those bars and what do they charge for ST / LT right now?

Not much of a drinker and I didn't want to ask without intending to take anyone.

Interesting story in news today from Kanchanaburi.

A german man was found dead hanging from his iron fence. Apparently his wife of 21 years had just left him. The house was set on fire and a large message was painted on the wall.

"21-year cheating but never enough, fuck you".

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2660344]Newbie question from a non-newbie.

I noticed the only truly vibrant and cheerful area on an otherwise depressing Sukhumvit is the cluster of bars on Soi 7. What's the typical barfine at those bars and what do they charge for ST / LT right now?

Not much of a drinker and I didn't want to ask without intending to take anyone.[/QUOTE]From what I know, there's no official price for ST / LT because they act as purely bars. You can barfine to take a girl out to other places. For ST / LT you will have to negotiate directly between yourself and the girl. You don't have to drink, just buy the girls drink. They make miserable amounts of money on a normal night. The lady drink they sell, they only get half of it as their daily wage. No fixed wage for them. If they don't sell any on 1 night, they get 0. Some night they may even have to make a loss for those staying far away.

Knew 1 of them who is staying in rama 2 area. Have to spend almost 300 baht a day on 2 way motorbike taxi to Sukhumvit area to work. If she doesn't make 300 baht that night (sell at least 3 lady drinks), she's making a loss. Of course she may be lying. But 300 baht a night wages isn't much, I'll give it to her anytime if she's entertaining.

Not all the bars there feature girls only.

There are other "vibrant and cheerful" places. It depends on your definition of "vibrant and cheerful".

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2660344]Newbie question from a non-newbie.

I noticed the only truly vibrant and cheerful area on an otherwise depressing Sukhumvit is the cluster of bars on Soi 7. What's the typical barfine at those bars and what do they charge for ST / LT right now?

Not much of a drinker and I didn't want to ask without intending to take anyone.[/QUOTE]Barfines are usually 500-600 baht. The girls will generally accept 1,500-2,000 for ST, 2,000-2,500 for LT.

That is, if they go at all. And, as usual, looks and popularity will effect the amount of baht they will quote and / or accept. And I find some girls won't quote a price at all and just leave it up to you. You being an experienced punter and possibly coming across as an expat who lives here, the latter response is more likely to happen than if you come across as a real newbie. They'll know you aren't going to pull some stunt like handing them 500 baht after a great LT.

Now, bear in mind, I often hesitate to chime in on these questions because, as you know, my approach is probably unlike the way 95% of Thai punters go about things. Meaning, I am likely to actually say I want BBFS+CIP or whatever term for it the girl will understand upfront and in the bar before paying a barfine and taking a girl. Or, at the very least, that she would finish a BBBJ with a true 100% CIM. Particularly if she is the one who quotes a price or brings up the money part first.

So, forgive me Croc and others if my numbers turn out to be off quite a bit or even the part about some girls not going with customers at all. I have no doubt that all those things are effected by what I generally need to get settled upfront before I take a girl that most other punters don't.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2660427]From what I know, there's no official price for ST / LT because they act as purely bars. You can barfine to take a girl out to other places. For ST / LT you will have to negotiate directly between yourself and the girl. You don't have to drink, just buy the girls drink. They make miserable amounts of money on a normal night. The lady drink they sell, they only get half of it as their daily wage. No fixed wage for them. If they don't sell any on 1 night, they get 0. Some night they may even have to make a loss for those staying far away.

Knew 1 of them who is staying in rama 2 area. Have to spend almost 300 baht a day on 2 way motorbike taxi to Sukhumvit area to work. If she doesn't make 300 baht that night (sell at least 3 lady drinks), she's making a loss. Of course she may be lying. But 300 baht a night wages isn't much, I'll give it to her anytime if she's entertaining.

Not all the bars there feature girls only.

There are other "vibrant and cheerful" places. It depends on your definition of "vibrant and cheerful".[/QUOTE]I have heard and observed all those things as well.

However, it should be mentioned for any newbies reading this that there has never been an "official price" required to pay a girl in a beerbar or go-go bar or enforced by a bar before Covid, now or ever. Unless there is some strange exception I never heard about.

As long as you pay the barfine, a girl can then go with you and give you the greatest LT you ever had for free or demand 5,000 baht for nothing but a smile and a chance to watch her playing games on her smartphone for 10 minutes. It is all up to the girl and what you negotiated with her.

I should also mention in line with the other 'vibrant and cheerful" places point you made, regarding beerbars that is, that there are so many new beerbars open on Soi 4, Soi 6, Soi 7, Soi 8, Soi 11, even Sukhumvit itself and now go-go bars open and operating as beerbars and clubs on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza, the concentration of girls in those Soi 7 bars has lessened quite a bit. They are much more spread out now.

And, despite the ladydrink commission only thing that you correctly cited, if a girl working in or around any bars or on the street is notably above average in looks and not a rip off in bed, she is definitely not hurting for customers or money these days.

A few of my favorite repeats from pre Covid days returned to Bangkok from their provinces a few weeks ago and I can assure you a couple of them can get the kind of dudes who are here now to happily pay 2,500+ for ST twice or more per day and night, require a condom for everything including DFK if they feel like it and ladydrink commission only conditions or problems are not a factor in their lives.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2658394]In addition to Thaifriendly, there's also Thaiflirting. Totally free and no waiting around 10 minutes between sending messages.

I also just recently discovered a treasure trove of websites featuring 'sideline' girls. All in Thai, of course, but google will translate for you. The prices are sure a lot better than what most of you numbskulls seem all to eager to pay as well. Check and report back. Go.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.sidelinethailand.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dek-sideline.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiger-clubsideline.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ydclub.websit[/URL]e / home-page.

[URL]https://sideline2u.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://xn--c3cspb1dibx6e2g0bc5a1fd.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.fanfinfin.co/[/URL]

You're welcome.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for these links. Has anyone used these websites?

How it's working? Do we meet the girl in her place? Has anyone managed to contact the girl directly? So far I'm talking on "Line" with bots and "admins" of girls. I am also aware that the reality may not match the photos.

Thanks in advance for the hints.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2660534]And, despite the ladydrink commission only thing that you correctly cited, if a girl working in or around any bars or on the street is notably above average in looks and not a rip off in bed, she is definitely not hurting for customers or money these days.

A few of my favorite repeats from pre Covid days returned to Bangkok from their provinces a few weeks ago and I can assure you a couple of them can get the kind of dudes who are here now to happily pay 2,500+ for ST twice or more per day and night, require a condom for everything including DFK if they feel like it and ladydrink commission only conditions or problems are not a factor in their lives.[/QUOTE]This is 100% true.

I have also noticed that girls with "notably above average looks" attitudes or priorities have changed since covid. I think they are less interested in volume and more interested in repeating with regular customers or going with first time customers that appeal to them. They are alot more choosey in who they go with. Before covid it was all about how much cash they could make, after covid they seem to be more interested in a decent lifestyle.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2660644]This is 100% true.

I have also noticed that girls with "notably above average looks" attitudes or priorities have changed since covid. I think they are less interested in volume and more interested in repeating with regular customers or going with first time customers that appeal to them. They are alot more choosey in who they go with. Before covid it was all about how much cash they could make, after covid they seem to be more interested in a decent lifestyle.[/QUOTE]Yes. And I have also gotten the impression that they are quite comfortable with this 100 baht per lady drink commission thing just for easy pocket change for street food snacks and so on, free and easy come and go anytime and any night at any bar or no bar at all, show up as they please or not at all, wearing whatever street clothes they had fun shopping for with all that money or bought for them by customers in addition to their regular support, not having to display their butts and boobs with or without a bikini for hours on stage every night and they don't miss the monthly salary and pressure to meet any quota for anything one bit.

It might be difficult to get many of these girls, new arrivals as well as veterans, back to the old ways if or when this Covid thing ever fades into the manageable background.

[QUOTE=Bernikle;2660592]Many thanks for these links. Has anyone used these websites?

How it's working? Do we meet the girl in her place? Has anyone managed to contact the girl directly? So far I'm talking on "Line" with bots and "admins" of girls. I am also aware that the reality may not match the photos.

Thanks in advance for the hints.[/QUOTE]I suggest that you read this thread, there is a lot of information here as you go back in time.

[QUOTE=Bernikle;2660592]Many thanks for these links. Has anyone used these websites?
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How it's working? Do we meet the girl in her place? Has anyone managed to contact the girl directly? So far I'm talking on "Line" with bots and "admins" of girls. I am also aware that the reality may not match the photos.

Thanks in advance for the hints.[/QUOTE]This was the most detailed overview of those sites I'd read here by someone who apparently uses them a lot.

See Post #50588 here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2617944[/URL]#post2617944.

My own brief experience with 2-3 of them was chatting on Line with who I realized was never the actual girl whose profile included that Line info, of course, but instead some clerk, pimp or manager who offered nothing of value to me in terms of deciding to book an appointment with the girl or not.

And, frankly, if the assessment of the Thai "sexpert" in the linked post is correct, I would be wasting my time, travel and let's say 1,500 baht at a minimum if among the deadly sins deserving blackballing, getting banned for life or, worse, getting plagued by bait and switch scams going forward are so much as trying for BBFS or submitting a negative review on a girl even if no way she delivered a claimed service such as a genuine BBBJ+CIM or in fact if she herself was actually a disappointing bait and switch lady who showed up in the room after you'd paid in full upfront.

I am sure there must be some cases that turn out well. But I was not tempted to go for it based on those Line chats and overviews I've read here even if 1 in 20 of the girls I met through those sites turned out to be physically lovely. So what, if all those other restrictions and warnings to be a very well behaved boy with little or no expectation of delivery as advertised applying after paying upfront. I can be denied real sex with hotties for a lot less time and effort than that. LOL.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2660730]I suggest that you read this thread, there is a lot of information here as you go back in time.[/QUOTE]Or read the thread in the Sideline Girls link I provided just 3 or so posts from the one he quoted. GaijinGigolo just took the links from that thread and posted them on this thread.

Or read some post's Racshack is posting on Sideline Girls http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2617944#post2617944

Hi guys,

Are hotels that were girl friendly before covid still girl friendly now? E. G Marriott in Bangkok was guest friendly so has anyone had any issues bringing a girl back to guest friendly hotel since covid?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=HornyDude353;2660828]Are hotels that were girl friendly before covid still girl friendly now? E. G Marriott in Bangkok was guest friendly so has anyone had any issues bringing a girl back to guest friendly hotel since covid?
[/QUOTE]I'll take an educated guess that the answer is yes as long as you book a room for 2. If you really want to be certain call or email the hotel before you book. Hotels will tell you.

Question for oldtimers from a BKK first timer. How quiet is Bangkok during and after Songkran? I will be arriving at that time this year (booked uncancelable tickets without realizing). Obviously in a non-Covid year would we expect things to be back up to speed by Saturday or Monday, or is it a whole week or more written off? I'm thinking in terms of both P4P, freebies if I can get them and other tourist stuff in to do in Bangkok as well as whether legit restaurants and bars shut down. They say Songkran celebrations are worth seeing too, but perhaps not for a whole week if everything else is closed.

[QUOTE=HornyDude353;2660828]Hi guys,

Are hotels that were girl friendly before covid still girl friendly now? E. G Marriott in Bangkok was guest friendly so has anyone had any issues bringing a girl back to guest friendly hotel since covid?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I was in Thailand last November (Phuket (2 places), Koh Samui, Chiang Rai (2 places) and, if anything, they became even less strict on "joiners". The only thing that got religiously checked was the girl's vaccine status. Most hotels are desperate for guests, so if you book a room for two, they don't object. Booking a room for two isn't more expensive than a room for one, unless you take the breakfast option.

Quality advice, I've had these online bait and switch all over, especially places like Budapest, Kiev and Bangkok, but that is part of the fun of this game.

For every 10 online random I tried in Hungary only 2 were even close to the profile. Had better luck in the pubs overall. Bangkok is a bit of fun though.

The fiwfans reviews I've tried out (following supposedly top ranked players) have been more bait and switch then random picks.

I'm going with instinct, tineye and a modicum of saying WTF from now on.

YMMV and hopefully your luck as well.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2619005]Once upon a time there was a snake oil salesman.

Honestly, it should not come as a surprise. A decade ago we were discussing how photoshopped escorts were on the websites or how when you would show up at an oily the girls on the cards were so heavily retouched that they no longer resembled the lady in the flesh.

It's always been this way. Now with the online world opening up and the ability to post reviews, it also should not be a surprise to see fake reviews to boost the girls or the shop.

Some hotels in the west do it on their Tripadvisor page so why wouldn't these shops do it?

This is the very reason we have forums like this one, to share genuine photos, reviews, opinions on places and girls.

My preference when I go to a place is to see the girls in a lineup, in the flesh, that way not only do you see the girls in the flesh but also their mood of the day. If the girl looks at her feet and avoids eye contact, you know she's not going to give you what you're after.[/QUOTE]

I realise that the gogo bars of Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza are operating very differently at the moment but my question is, are they still worth visiting? If there is a plentiful supply of pretty girls I can forgive the lack of dancing and semi-nudity!

It's seven years since I visited Thailand last (I made the rookie mistake of getting in to a relationship) and previously I always enjoyed visiting the likes of Nataree, Annies and Mango in Bangkok. Is there any positive news on the massage parlour front or are they all still closed?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2660999]I realise that the gogo bars of Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza are operating very differently at the moment but my question is, are they still worth visiting?.[/QUOTE]After going to both last night the answer I would give you is. No.

[QUOTE=TourduMonde;2660870]Question for oldtimers from a BKK first timer. How quiet is Bangkok during and after Songkran? I will be arriving at that time this year (booked uncancelable tickets without realizing). Obviously in a non-Covid year would we expect things to be back up to speed by Saturday or Monday, or is it a whole week or more written off? I'm thinking in terms of both P4P, freebies if I can get them and other tourist stuff in to do in Bangkok as well as whether legit restaurants and bars shut down. They say Songkran celebrations are worth seeing too, but perhaps not for a whole week if everything else is closed.[/QUOTE]I doubt there will be any typical Songkran celebrations this year in terms of concert or festival gatherings and, thank god, water gun fights on the street. They were banned over the past couple of years due to Covid. Things are a little more open and relaxed now, but I don't think it will be all masks off and drench everyone in sight with ice water time in just 2 months from now.

Songkran isn't an event or time when restaurants, shops, bars and so on close. Everything should be open as usual. However, most bargirls these days being free to come and go without concern about salary issues. It is hard to say how many might see that week as a good time to return to their province to hang out with family and childhood friends. Unless they get word that Bangkok will see a notable influx of tourists and customers like you, that is.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2660335]I think you are right, I believe all the big Gentlmans clubs have all been closed since the big Delta surge which was allegedly started in the G Clubs around ThongLo namely the Krystal Club and Emerald Club.

For anybody that complains about the prices in Nana etc. These clubs are on another level. Prices so high will make your nose bleed![/QUOTE]Are they really that high? If you split it with a group it doesn't seem that bad? But I’d be tempted to meet outside the club which seems hit or miss.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2660999]I realise that the gogo bars of Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza are operating very differently at the moment but my question is, are they still worth visiting? If there is a plentiful supply of pretty girls I can forgive the lack of dancing and semi-nudity!

It's seven years since I visited Thailand last (I made the rookie mistake of getting in to a relationship) and previously I always enjoyed visiting the likes of Nataree, Annies and Mango in Bangkok. Is there any positive news on the massage parlour front or are they all still closed?[/QUOTE]In a word, "Yes", the Soi Cowboy and Nana bar areas are still worth visiting. As of this writing. As of just last night. However, the quality and number of girls can vary wildly from night to night, hour to hour. The same as the with the bars and girls on Soi 7, Soi 8, Soi 11 and just about everywhere else in the lower Sukhumvit area. Not sure about the Patpong area since it has been a few weeks since I cruised through there.

I am not really a massage shop guy, but I do see many Happy Ending style massage shops with girls and sometimes ladyboys waiting outside open all over the area.

BTW, on that topic, a Brief Trip Report: On a whim and having a spare afternoon, I stopped by the legendary Tulip in Thong Lo a few days ago. There were maybe 8-10 girls in the line up. I took one that smiled at me and was at least slim and well proportioned.

It was an ok 1 hour experience in a basic, dreary room. Wound up getting an acceptable BBBJ+CIM that I feel I over paid for at 1,900 baht for that hour. No big deal. I understand this is the high water mark standard shop for supposedly PSE sessions in Bangkok. Been hearing and reading that for years, I mean. This was my second time there in 9 years. I can only report that in my experience it was a PSE only if the porn you're used to watching has girls presenting, discussing, debating, requiring and insisting that her partner wear a condom for FS or no sex. It might be another 9 years before I bother to return for a third such PSE.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2661091]Are they really that high? If you split it with a group it doesn't seem that bad? But Id be tempted to meet outside the club which seems hit or miss.[/QUOTE]It is kind of hard to explain if you haven't been to a Bangkok high end Gentlemans club, it is even harder to explain if you are a westerner, which I am. I am the first to admit that I do not pick up on the intracies of these clubs which are very much aimed at the Asian market, local Thais and Asian expats / tourists. The women are there to entertain you, you cannot officially bar fine them or have sex with them on the premises. You bill is for entrance, drinks and TIME the women sit with you. No sex.

There are 3 tiers of spenders at these places and you do get treated accordingly. Every gets treated well, it is just that the more you spend the better you will get treated.

Group 1:

You pay some kind of entrance fee. Starts at 1000, they do have packages for groups which includes drinks. You then pay for more drinks. Can be beer or more commonly bottles of spirits. And you pay for the company of women to enterntain you - 2000 for first hour, then 1000 for each additional hour + tip. You can of course just pay for lady drinks, but the girls will drink at a number of different tables which may be away from your group. I guess if you went in a group and got an entrance package, then shared a few women amongst the party. You could probably get away with a bill of 5,000 each. However you would be in the lowest spending group and the girls do know this, so only the newer girls or less popular girls are going to give you much attention. The very popular girls will not come to a table like this. It is a status thing.

Group 2:

The most common group is 2 to 5 business type guys, they grab a girl each, have bottles on the table and tip the ladies. The bill for this would start at 10,000 each, could go to 15,000 or 20,000 easily. The girls will be easily hand over their "line", as pretty much every Thai girl will. However trying to get them to come over for sex would see a strike rate of perhaps 1 out of 3 and then it would not be cheap. Think 5,000 to 10,000 for an hour or two.

Group 3:

Then there is the High Rollers group. These guys are high net worth individuals, both Thai and Foreign. They are literally surrounded by the most popular girls in the club and seem to compete to see who can spend the most money. Their bill is going to be 200 k and up. I once saw a guy tip a girl 100 lady drinks and he did it 3 times. You will see all sorts of crazy shit.

The Delta wave, which closed all entertainment venues at the start of 2021 was attributed to have started in these high end clubs. A government department of high end ministers was thought to have been infected with covid from these clubs at the time. It was the source of a number of memes and jokes from the public. Of course all ministers denied being at the clubs. Even a photo of one of the highest ministers with a nipple in his mouth at the club did not seem to be enough for him to admit being there. Deny, deny, deny seems to be the policy in this regards. But this is the type of clientele at these places. High end government officials, business owners and I am sure a number of people of ill repute.

As a disclaimer, I have been to these clubs maybe 5 times over the last 8 years. They have been more or less closed since the pandemic started. They are very much an Asian experience, you do see some farangs there but they are definitely in the minority. Most of the girls speak thai only, some obviously speak a little English, but certainly not all. As very much a white western dude, I always feel like I am a bit of an outsider at these clubs and do not pick up the intracies and what is a social club. Adding to this you are spending a ton of money without any result at the end of the night. I might go to these places once a year as a bit of a diversion, to see something new.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2660848]I'll take an educated guess that the answer is yes as long as you book a room for 2. If you really want to be certain call or email the hotel before you book. Hotels will tell you.[/QUOTE]While I believe this advice is good advice also be advised that when taking a lady back, depending upon the layout of the hotel, some force you to endure the long walk of shame. LOL.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2660963]I was in Thailand last November (Phuket (2 places), Koh Samui, Chiang Rai (2 places) and, if anything, they became even less strict on "joiners". The only thing that got religiously checked was the girl's vaccine status. Most hotels are desperate for guests, so if you book a room for two, they don't object. Booking a room for two isn't more expensive than a room for one, unless you take the breakfast option.[/QUOTE]I had to book a room for one as booking for two was considerably more expensive under the Test and Go scheme. Hoping I can bring in girls in LT to the A-One hotel; it's SHA+ certified.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2661211]While I believe this advice is good advice also be advised that when taking a lady back, depending upon the layout of the hotel, some force you to endure the long walk of shame. LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice all, I don't think I would mind the walk of shame if coming back late at night LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2661211]While I believe this advice is good advice also be advised that when taking a lady back, depending upon the layout of the hotel, some force you to endure the long walk of shame. LOL.[/QUOTE]One of my hotels is requiring that my joiner provide proof of vaccination plus they must sign some sort of a waiver document. I think the proof of vaccination is common, but this is the first I've heard of joiners signing a waiver. I don't know the details of the waiver.

Go into the walk of shame with a positive attitude. My obvious ST girl and I once shared an elevator with 3 older India couples. The ladies laughed and the men avoided eye contact, it was clear the men would have liked to trade places with me. Thought of that elevator ride still makes me smile.

Hi fellow mongers.

Great to be catching up with developments in Bangkok from the past few months reading all your posts. After having visited many times over the past 10 years or so, finally moved here for what will likely be several years of life. And maybe more.

I plan to contribute here as any good monger would, but until I get some experiences to share a simple question:

Where could one get a good shave of intimate areas, followed by a HJ or BJ, and possibly preceded by a massage? Waxing I found easily on offer but I'm really not into that.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2661419]Hi fellow mongers.

Great to be catching up with developments in Bangkok from the past few months reading all your posts. After having visited many times over the past 10 years or so, finally moved here for what will likely be several years of life. And maybe more.

I plan to contribute here as any good monger would, but until I get some experiences to share a simple question:

Where could one get a good shave of intimate areas, followed by a HJ or BJ, and possibly preceded by a massage? Waxing I found easily on offer but I'm really not into that.[/QUOTE]Once upon a time (ie precovid) I used to go to the MP / hair salon of Nana hotel Soi 4. It is / was just after the lift to rooms. There an helpful MILF would take care of shaving you with utmost care. Don't expect any hanky panky, but the shaving job is perfect.

I don't know if still open or what. As you are now a resident worth checking.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2661131]It is kind of hard to explain if you haven't been to a Bangkok high end Gentlemans club, it is even harder to explain if you are a westerner, which I am. I am the first to admit that I do not pick up on the intracies of these clubs which are very much aimed at the Asian market, local Thais and Asian expats / tourists. The women are there to entertain you, you cannot officially bar fine them or have sex with them on the premises. You bill is for entrance, drinks and TIME the women sit with you. No sex.

There are 3 tiers of spenders at these places and you do get treated accordingly. Every gets treated well, it is just that the more you spend the better you will get treated.

Group 1:

You pay some kind of entrance fee. Starts at 1000, they do have packages for groups which includes drinks. You then pay for more drinks. Can be beer or more commonly bottles of spirits. And you pay for the company of women to enterntain you - 2000 for first hour, then 1000 for each additional hour + tip. You can of course just pay for lady drinks, but the girls will drink at a number of different tables which may be away from your group. I guess if you went in a group and got an entrance package, then shared a few women amongst the party. You could probably get away with a bill of 5,000 each. However you would be in the lowest spending group and the girls do know this, so only the newer girls or less popular girls are going to give you much attention. The very popular girls will not come to a table like this. It is a status thing.

Group 2:

The most common group is 2 to 5 business type guys, they grab a girl each, have bottles on the table and tip the ladies. The bill for this would start at 10,000 each, could go to 15,000 or 20,000 easily. The girls will be easily hand over their "line", as pretty much every Thai girl will. However trying to get them to come over for sex would see a strike rate of perhaps 1 out of 3 and then it would not be cheap. Think 5,000 to 10,000 for an hour or two.

Group 3:

Then there is the High Rollers group. These guys are high net worth individuals, both Thai and Foreign. They are literally surrounded by the most popular girls in the club and seem to compete to see who can spend the most money. Their bill is going to be 200 k and up. I once saw a guy tip a girl 100 lady drinks and he did it 3 times. You will see all sorts of crazy shit.

The Delta wave, which closed all entertainment venues at the start of 2021 was attributed to have started in these high end clubs. A government department of high end ministers was thought to have been infected with covid from these clubs at the time. It was the source of a number of memes and jokes from the public. Of course all ministers denied being at the clubs. Even a photo of one of the highest ministers with a nipple in his mouth at the club did not seem to be enough for him to admit being there. Deny, deny, deny seems to be the policy in this regards. But this is the type of clientele at these places. High end government officials, business owners and I am sure a number of people of ill repute.

As a disclaimer, I have been to these clubs maybe 5 times over the last 8 years. They have been more or less closed since the pandemic started. They are very much an Asian experience, you do see some farangs there but they are definitely in the minority. Most of the girls speak thai only, some obviously speak a little English, but certainly not all. As very much a white western dude, I always feel like I am a bit of an outsider at these clubs and do not pick up the intracies and what is a social club. Adding to this you are spending a ton of money without any result at the end of the night. I might go to these places once a year as a bit of a diversion, to see something new.[/QUOTE]

What are the odds of getting numbers at the end of this night? If I’m trying to find girls that look like at gentleman’s club where should I go? It sounds like I should stick to massage or soapy massage parlors but I didn't find the girls places like Doki Doki my type either.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2661449]Once upon a time (ie precovid) I used to go to the MP / hair salon of Nana hotel Soi 4. It is / was just after the lift to rooms. There an helpful MILF would take care of shaving you with utmost care. Don't expect any hanky panky, but the shaving job is perfect.

I don't know if still open or what. As you are now a resident worth checking.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip! I think I even remember that MP, it was older ladies but provided fantastic and completely decent massage in the midst of all that we like best! Passed by the other day, sadly was closed.

However, to update my own post. Walking along soi 11 I found a "healthy massage" place which had a menu of things, among which was shaving of normal bodily hair (armpits, legs etc etc.) and I politely asked the girl if they shave the lower parts. She went in to ask the old lady (stangely felt like a mamasan), who took over, sad sure for 500 baht and happily proceeded to do it in the back room. No extras offered, and she told me her girls also provide only tranditional massage. I was completely fine with that and walked out with a babylike shaven clean dick, although since she used a proper shaving razor (not the likes of those personal Gilettes), she avoided the softest part of the balls. Nothing I can't easily fix, the main parts are gone.

Nearby place called Hollywood does waxing, but I kinda don't feel like having hair peeled off my balls.

Staying very close to Sukhumvit soi 11, saw many girls in between sois 11 and 13 offering massage outside in what could be considered a quieter area for mongering. Or just plain drinking. And a few legit MPs, which of course, don't need to put any girls (which we'd more likely call senior women) outside. One of the ladies which was sitting alone in the early afternoon was giving me the wink, just about 10 steps away from a group of girls doing the same.

I must admit to forgetting the name but was briskly taken to a room in an alley nearby, and it took about 10 minutes to get down to discussions on what to do. Nothing super memorable but when balls are on fire a man doesn't ask. For 2000 I got a bit of a massage, a handjob and a quite passionate blowjob, sadly without CIM. I was probably ripped off a little but she did mention the possibility of rimming, FS and so on, I was just not in the mood and was at that point a 1-minute man after a drought of several weeks, so no point.

Research will continue with a certain Indian looking lady in soi Nana, a bit of a walk after Nana Plaza.

And if anyone has tips for young, big titted Indians providing services in Bangkok, I will send good karma your way, along with any other gems I find.

[QUOTE=HornyDude353;2661218]Thanks for the advice all, I don't think I would mind the walk of shame if coming back late at night LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm almost 70. There is no walk of shame for me when I have anything under 25 on my arm. Sucks to be you then mate doesn't it, look at meeeeeeee, yee haw.

I learned that in Pattaya aeon ago when I had me a perfect midget (with a mouth like a sailor on the USS John A Badass). Eat your heart out pervs. I win.

Gutters are meant to be proudly crawled through! Sanuk!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2661131]It is kind of hard to explain if you haven't been to a Bangkok high end Gentlemans club, it is even harder to explain if you are a westerner, which I am. I am the first to admit that I do not pick up on the intracies of these clubs which are very much aimed at the Asian market, local Thais and Asian expats / tourists. The women are there to entertain you, you cannot officially bar fine them or have sex with them on the premises. You bill is for entrance, drinks and TIME the women sit with you. No sex.

There are 3 tiers of spenders at these places and you do get treated accordingly. Every gets treated well, it is just that the more you spend the better you will get treated.

Group 1:.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing your only experience is with The Pimp aka the biggest rip off in bkk. Most of you're price info is way off based on this. Nowhere in higher end G clubs do girls compete for drinks in the way you describe. You pay the girls a drink per a set amount of time and then they drink from your groups booze. The packages include booze + set amount of ladydrinks. The girls tend to make the same amount (before tips) regardless the type of customers who pick them. Farang tend to be much less handsy than thai guys which they may appreciate but english can be a barrier. I typically went with a group of foreigners some white some asian-american, but have also been with thais many times.

Many thai guys will have a favorite / regular at their frequently visited establishments. These clubs are prime source for rich thai guys finding a mia noi or side girl. Especially for the well to do it provides a private setting to relax with friends and girls in a place their wife or her friends can't spot them.

The asian culture difference you mention is that people go to these places to drink with their close mate sor business partners while having girls around. The girls are there to help ensure everyone has a good time.

In the last 10 years I've been to at least Mai ek, czech, piano, sherbet, krystal, excite, the bank, pimp, Resort, florence, Villa, and probably 5 others whose names I forget. The quality varies year to year in almost all places. The most expensive other than pimp (again, a huge rip off) was a place whose name I forget out on viphavadee-rangist road that would easily be 8 k / person. Nice girls but I remember thinking its expensive just to be expensive. Otherwise going in a group of 5 guys I'd expect to pay about 5-6 k on average for 4 hours of drinking and each choosing 1 girl each to drink with us.

If you do go regularly to such places make friends with a host / papasan / mamasan. At the least you can check how many girls are available before you get in the taxi to go there, as sometimes its busy and selection can be weak. They have also been known to procure party favors for those that indulge. Vip karaoke rooms at these places only run 2-3 k for the night so if you like that kind of privacy for your group its well worth it.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2661131]It is kind of hard to explain if you haven't been to a Bangkok high end Gentlemans club, it is even harder to explain if you are a westerner, which I am. I am the first to admit that I do not pick up on the intracies of these clubs which are very much aimed at the Asian market, local Thais and Asian expats / tourists. The women are there to entertain you, you cannot officially bar fine them or have sex with them on the premises. You bill is for entrance, drinks and TIME the women sit with you. No sex.

There are 3 tiers of spenders at these places and you do get treated accordingly. Every gets treated well, it is just that the more you spend the better you will get treated.

Group 1:

You pay some kind of entrance fee. Starts at 1000, they do have packages for groups which includes drinks. You then pay for more drinks. Can be beer or more commonly bottles of spirits. And you pay for the company of women to enterntain you - 2000 for first hour, then 1000 for each additional hour + tip. You can of course just pay for lady drinks, but the girls will drink at a number of different tables which may be away from your group. I guess if you went in a group and got an entrance package, then shared a few women amongst the party. You could probably get away with a bill of 5,000 each. However you would be in the lowest spending group and the girls do know this, so only the newer girls or less popular girls are going to give you much attention. The very popular girls will not come to a table like this. It is a status thing.

Group 2:

The most common group is 2 to 5 business type guys, they grab a girl each, have bottles on the table and tip the ladies. The bill for this would start at 10,000 each, could go to 15,000 or 20,000 easily. The girls will be easily hand over their "line", as pretty much every Thai girl will. However trying to get them to come over for sex would see a strike rate of perhaps 1 out of 3 and then it would not be cheap. Think 5,000 to 10,000 for an hour or two.

Group 3:

Then there is the High Rollers group. These guys are high net worth individuals, both Thai and Foreign. They are literally surrounded by the most popular girls in the club and seem to compete to see who can spend the most money. Their bill is going to be 200 k and up. I once saw a guy tip a girl 100 lady drinks and he did it 3 times. You will see all sorts of crazy shit.

The Delta wave, which closed all entertainment venues at the start of 2021 was attributed to have started in these high end clubs. A government department of high end ministers was thought to have been infected with covid from these clubs at the time. It was the source of a number of memes and jokes from the public. Of course all ministers denied being at the clubs. Even a photo of one of the highest ministers with a nipple in his mouth at the club did not seem to be enough for him to admit being there. Deny, deny, deny seems to be the policy in this regards. But this is the type of clientele at these places. High end government officials, business owners and I am sure a number of people of ill repute.

As a disclaimer, I have been to these clubs maybe 5 times over the last 8 years. They have been more or less closed since the pandemic started. They are very much an Asian experience, you do see some farangs there but they are definitely in the minority. Most of the girls speak thai only, some obviously speak a little English, but certainly not all. As very much a white western dude, I always feel like I am a bit of an outsider at these clubs and do not pick up the intracies and what is a social club. Adding to this you are spending a ton of money without any result at the end of the night. I might go to these places once a year as a bit of a diversion, to see something new.[/QUOTE]Great informacióand, thanks! I didn't know the success rate was as low as 1/3. I'm willing to spend money but would like to see a return on it. Did you happen to see any Indian folks there? (I'm Indian, born and raised in the West) I've experienced racism before in Thailand, I imagine I'd stick out at a club like this as well.

I also read about a mini membership - 5 k THB for like one bottle. Have you seen that?

And just to confirm, if you do have a bottle the girl drinks from that right? She stays with you and you don't have to keep buying ladydrinks (assuming you pay her hourly entertainment fee).

I hooked up a few girls off the fiwfan site and added their accounts to my line. Texted a few and now I get bombarded with stuff on my international nos from unknown Bangkok numbers.

Some of the ladies work out of the same hotels in an around Sukhumvit. These 2 accounts seem to be the ones where the problems started.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rad4vpkpp5iall[/URL]

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406raeesakwx3tiii[/URL]

Hey folks. Quick update from recent on the ground research of the main spots in BKK:

1. Soi Nana seems to be closest to its former glory, minus the plaza itself which feels a bit like a ghosttown even when open inside. It's both too bright and due to size of space too empty, as higher floors remain largely closed and clubs can't have dancers inside but girls work only on the outside. Visited an MP a bit further up the soi, general prices are about 2 k for HJ / BJ, with a strong reluctance to go past HJ for the lady I chose.

2. Sukhumvit Soi 7 beer garden. Holy shit, it's like Covid doesn't exist. Friday evening, hard to move among all people, forget masks, forget caution, girls having a good time and even dancing on mini stages. Big partyland, choice galore for a monger.

3. Soi 7/1 - I'll be calling it BJ soi in my mind. Chrome may be closed but getting BJd (sadly no CIM this time) in Wood bar lifted my spirits for the evening, while there were offers for the same from nearby bars as I approached for as low as 500. Quick release to give you that swagger in your walk.

3. Sukhumvit Soi 11 geer garden. Similar to soi 7 but a lot quieter and well, girls a notch less pretty. But if it's the 8's or 9's you want, a club called Juicy just opened a few days ago a bit higher up the soi.

4. Soi Cowboy. Beginning and end see some action in terms of girls sitting / standing in front of what used to be clubs and enticing customers to come in and have a drink. Kazi Kazi at the end of soi runs specials of 80 baht a beer. Place just opposite superquiet and perfect for a drink and some good views of ladies doing what they do best. Mid of the street quiet except for a few really deliciosly smelling food carts for your pad thai and similar cravings.

5. Patpong sois 1 and 2 - what a sad, sad ghosttown this has become. Hope I don't mix them up here but soi 2 is completely dead while soi 1 retains some of its former glory. A lot sadder then Nana with girls sitting in a line outside the clubs they work in and mamasan trying to get passing pedestrians to select a girl. Not sure what the model here is. I'd guess going into the club with a girl to get her some ladydrinks before barfining her. Meh. Not my cup of whisky.

Hope you find some of this useful for an update! Relatively tame but to be honest I am still getting in the groove of things here and for the moment the pressure to release is just not high enough to go ST or LT with a girl. And at 3 k (ST) and about 5 k for LT, for those of you who travel around, prices may not be what they used to be or feel, even though getting your balls emptied is still relatively inexpensive in the City of Angels.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2662145]Hey folks. Quick update from recent on the ground research of the main spots in BKK:

1. Soi Nana seems to be closest to its former glory, minus the plaza itself which feels a bit like a ghosttown even when open inside. It's both too bright and due to size of space too empty, as higher floors remain largely closed and clubs can't have dancers inside but girls work only on the outside. Visited an MP a bit further up the soi, general prices are about 2 k for HJ / BJ, with a strong reluctance to go past HJ for the lady I chose.

2. Sukhumvit Soi 7 beer garden. Holy shit, it's like Covid doesn't exist. Friday evening, hard to move among all people, forget masks, forget caution, girls having a good time and even dancing on mini stages. Big partyland, choice galore for a monger.

3. Soi 7/1 - I'll be calling it BJ soi in my mind. Chrome may be closed but getting BJd (sadly no CIM this time) in Wood bar lifted my spirits for the evening, while there were offers for the same from nearby bars as I approached for as low as 500. Quick release to give you that swagger in your walk.

3. Sukhumvit Soi 11 geer garden. Similar to soi 7 but a lot quieter and well, girls a notch less pretty. But if it's the 8's or 9's you want, a club called Juicy just opened a few days ago a bit higher up the soi.

4. Soi Cowboy. Beginning and end see some action in terms of girls sitting / standing in front of what used to be clubs and enticing customers to come in and have a drink. Kazi Kazi at the end of soi runs specials of 80 baht a beer. Place just opposite superquiet and perfect for a drink and some good views of ladies doing what they do best. Mid of the street quiet except for a few really deliciosly smelling food carts for your pad thai and similar cravings.

5. Patpong sois 1 and 2 - what a sad, sad ghosttown this has become. Hope I don't mix them up here but soi 2 is completely dead while soi 1 retains some of its former glory. A lot sadder then Nana with girls sitting in a line outside the clubs they work in and mamasan trying to get passing pedestrians to select a girl. Not sure what the model here is. I'd guess going into the club with a girl to get her some ladydrinks before barfining her. Meh. Not my cup of whisky.[/QUOTE]Good overview.

I just wanted to mention that the bars inside Nana Plaza were almost all closed and dark Thursday night, maybe still only 2-3 bars inside the Plaza were open on Friday night. That's why Soi 7 was so packed. The Nana Plaza girls and customers went over there instead.

According to a couple of girls I asked, some 6-7 girls turned up testing positive for Covid at Nana Plaza last week and that is why they have been mostly closed for a couple of days. But that was according to a couple of girls who moved from Nana Plaza to Soi 7 last night, so who knows how accurate that is.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2661792]

In the last 10 years I've been to at least Mai ek, czech, piano, sherbet, krystal, excite, the bank, pimp, Resort, florence, Villa, and probably 5 others whose names I forget. The quality varies year to year in almost all places. The most expensive other than pimp (again, a huge rip off) was a place whose name I forget out on viphavadee-rangist road that would easily be 8 k / person. Nice girls but I remember thinking its expensive just to be expensive. Otherwise going in a group of 5 guys I'd expect to pay about 5-6 k on average for 4 hours of drinking and each choosing 1 girl each to drink with us.[/QUOTE]Which clubs do you prefer? How often can you get the girls out of the club?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2659286]When is Thermae opening that's all I care about.[/QUOTE]Open tonight. Per MP, about 30 girls.

Since there are very Japanese guys in BKK at moment, it would be interesting to see what the girls preferred clientele might be or if they have a choice.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2662358]Open tonight. Per MP, about 30 girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2662358]Open tonight. Per MP, about 30 girls.[/QUOTE]Confirmed although around 10 pm felt a bit empty, though one or two looked like 9's.

Not sure if outside is still ladyboys but some looked real juicy.

Got to love the street bar prices for a pickup joint!!

Hello. Does anybody know if Colonze2 is open? Or similar soapy clubs? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2662367]Since there are very Japanese guys in BKK at moment, it would be interesting to see what the girls preferred clientele might be or if they have a choice.[/QUOTE]Very few Japanese guys in Thermae so for those who say they can't get Thermae girls this is your chance!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2662169]Good overview.

I just wanted to mention that the bars inside Nana Plaza were almost all closed and dark Thursday night, maybe still only 2-3 bars inside the Plaza were open on Friday night. That's why Soi 7 was so packed. The Nana Plaza girls and customers went over there instead.

According to a couple of girls I asked, some 6-7 girls turned up testing positive for Covid at Nana Plaza last week and that is why they have been mostly closed for a couple of days. But that was according to a couple of girls who moved from Nana Plaza to Soi 7 last night, so who knows how accurate that is.[/QUOTE]This is a bit different from what I saw about a week ago. On the ground floor, TwisterBKK and Lolipop, as well as a couple bars on the opposite side (can't remember their names), were open with all girls outside. There were a fair number more girls than guys, maybe 3-4 times as many. On the second floor, Rainbow 5 (used to be Twister), Spanky's, and Enter were open, girls were inside and no dancing. Like the ground floor, there were a fair number more girls than guys. On the third floor, Billboard started being open, and was open every day except Monday. Like the second floor, all girls were inside and no dancing. This might be the only place that had as many guys as girls (maybe because they had 2 for 1 beers). There was no nudity on any of the floors. A fair number of girls I talked to had arrived back in Bangkok very recently, often within days of when I talked to them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2662358]Open tonight. Per MP, about 30 girls.[/QUOTE]Yes! Here I come.

Maybe. If they ditch the stupid rules. Anyway I have a one way to Baku March 9th so lets get this MyCaronaWuhanFluhanOMGWeareallGonnaDie pandemic over with!

Wonder when the Club in the basement of the Intercontinental opens, that was my route, start at Thermae, finish there, I don't like GoGos.

And weed is getting legalized too OMG.

Hey Mr. PM, lets rock, open up or I will spend my 2 years of spare change accumulated in the Pussy Kitty in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2660076]I agree with this. Once Thailand agrees to no quarantine and no PCR test on arrival there will be a huge flood of all sorts of tourists. Won't matter if it's high or low season.

Now that some guys are posting actual reviews in Pattaya Reports and Bangkok Reports hopefully we can all respond to COVID discussion posts in the COVID thread.[/QUOTE]Just to mention that under the Test and Go program, if you arrive fairly late, you essentially serve your quarantine while you sleep, since your PCR results will be ready by the time you wake up. The PCR test on arrival was really easy, the taxi from the airport took me to a drive-up. I didn't even have to leave the taxi.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2662674]This is a bit different from what I saw about a week ago. On the ground floor, TwisterBKK and Lolipop, as well as a couple bars on the opposite side (can't remember their names), were open with all girls outside. There were a fair number more girls than guys, maybe 3-4 times as many. On the second floor, Rainbow 5 (used to be Twister), Spanky's, and Enter were open, girls were inside and no dancing. Like the ground floor, there were a fair number more girls than guys. On the third floor, Billboard started being open, and was open every day except Monday. Like the second floor, all girls were inside and no dancing. This might be the only place that had as many guys as girls (maybe because they had 2 for 1 beers). There was no nudity on any of the floors. A fair number of girls I talked to had arrived back in Bangkok very recently, often within days of when I talked to them.[/QUOTE]Nana was closed for just 1 day I believe. Probably due to a few girls testing positive. It appears to be all back open now.

If you have an upcoming PCR test you might want to consider the risks of visiting lower Sukhumwit until you pass your test. Cases are on the rise now in Bangkok and the bars are what get hit the most.

The systems the Thai government had in place at the start of the pandemic worked well, however those same systems now tend to just delay the inevitable or even prolong the waves. Looks like the Omicron wave is just starting to get going in Bangkok now.

Just watched an "Asian Night" YouTube video purporting to show a walk in Bangkok dated 2/14/2022, and clearly spotted a girl wearing "Crazy House" tee shirt in front of the Crazy House entrance. Could anyone verify?

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2662145]3. Soi 7/1 - I'll be calling it BJ soi in my mind. Chrome may be closed but getting BJd (sadly no CIM this time) in Wood bar lifted my spirits for the evening, while there were offers for the same from nearby bars as I approached for as low as 500. Quick release to give you that swagger in your walk.[/QUOTE]Getting back to this a bit late. I forgot to ask you about this earlier.

Just to be sure, are you saying a girl at Wood Bar on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, formerly known as Dr. BJ's Salon, did not provide a standard BJ bar Cum In Mouth finish for the service and instead switched it to a Hand Job finish?

Do you mind telling us a bit more about what happened there? Was there any explanation for why she did that? An apology? A discount or refund?

It doesn't sound like getting a different finish from the standard CIM finish at that venue was your idea but it was hers.

I was just wondering if you could fill us in on what transpired or didn't transpire to cause that to happen. For instance, are we now required to confirm upfront that it will be a 100% CIM finish BJ at Wood Bar or other BJ Bars around town?

[QUOTE=Cyberspace;2663235]Just watched an "Asian Night" YouTube video purporting to show a walk in Bangkok dated 2/14/2022, and clearly spotted a girl wearing "Crazy House" tee shirt in front of the Crazy House entrance. Could anyone verify?[/QUOTE]Was open since mid December. Try the side door along soi cowboy alley. Outdoors seats only.

No crazy shit as before.

[QUOTE=Cyberspace;2663235]Just watched an "Asian Night" YouTube video purporting to show a walk in Bangkok dated 2/14/2022, and clearly spotted a girl wearing "Crazy House" tee shirt in front of the Crazy House entrance. Could anyone verify?[/QUOTE]I was in the area tonight about 10:30 pm, 30 minutes before supposed closing time for the bars these days, and there was no evidence of the main door on Soi 23 being open or anyone milling around outside waiting to enter.

Kazy Kozy Bar around the corner on Soi Cowboy itself was open.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2663461]Was open since mid December. Try the side door along soi cowboy alley. Outdoors seats only.

No crazy shit as before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2663545]I was in the area tonight about 10:30 pm, 30 minutes before supposed closing time for the bars these days, and there was no evidence of the main door on Soi 23 being open or anyone milling around outside waiting to enter.

Kazy Kozy Bar around the corner on Soi Cowboy itself was open.[/QUOTE]Outdoors doesn't sound like much of a consolation. Guess I won't be in any hurry to plan another trip soon. Hoping that outdoor activity is at least a sign that they're not closed permanently.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2663384]Getting back to this a bit late. I forgot to ask you about this earlier.

Just to be sure, are you saying a girl at Wood Bar on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, formerly known as Dr. BJ's Salon, did not provide a standard BJ bar Cum In Mouth finish for the service and instead switched it to a Hand Job finish?

Do you mind telling us a bit more about what happened there? Was there any explanation for why she did that? An apology? A discount or refund?

It doesn't sound like getting a different finish from the standard CIM finish at that venue was your idea but it was hers.

I was just wondering if you could fill us in on what transpired or didn't transpire to cause that to happen. For instance, are we now required to confirm upfront that it will be a 100% CIM finish BJ at Wood Bar or other BJ Bars around town?[/QUOTE]Haha I can almost feel the frustration over non-CIM pouring out of your words there, but I totally do get it and also LOLed at apology and discount. Should have asked for that after! Ummm can I talk to your manager, I expected a CIM service.

Not super passionate about CIM myself but it is nicer then just spraying it out into the atmosphere. Yes, it was her decision and not discussed beforehand, but also had another provider in an MP refuse CIM when I did ask. I'm starting to suspect some sort of rumor on Covid being transmitted through sperm? Who knows. But yes I'll check about CIM beforehand next time if in the mood. Had a ladyboy do me a BJ in a MP the other night in the side alley on soi 8, CIM without question but then again I never really asked. I'll keep exploring!

TBH, I really missed the whole concept of BJ bars, as I have no patience to talk bullshit before paying for ST or LT and have also grown weary of the massage attempts in MPs (where the ending is of course overpaid compared to BJ bars). Might focus on these more and keep trying out different providers. Wondering if there's a rimming with BJ included somewhere, that would be something. Or 2 shots for some higher price. Ah, the possibilities.

I think YMMV when it comes to CIM. Maybe see the same girl a couple of times or give her an extra 100 THB before you start.

Don't tip too much or you'll spoil it for everyone else!

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2663750]Haha I can almost feel the frustration over non-CIM pouring out of your words there, but I totally do get it and also LOLed at apology and discount. Should have asked for that after! Ummm can I talk to your manager, I expected a CIM service.

Not super passionate about CIM myself but it is nicer then just spraying it out into the atmosphere. Yes, it was her decision and not discussed beforehand, but also had another provider in an MP refuse CIM when I did ask. I'm starting to suspect some sort of rumor on Covid being transmitted through sperm? Who knows. But yes I'll check about CIM beforehand next time if in the mood. Had a ladyboy do me a BJ in a MP the other night in the side alley on soi 8, CIM without question but then again I never really asked. I'll keep exploring!

TBH, I really missed the whole concept of BJ bars, as I have no patience to talk bullshit before paying for ST or LT and have also grown weary of the massage attempts in MPs (where the ending is of course overpaid compared to BJ bars). Might focus on these more and keep trying out different providers. Wondering if there's a rimming with BJ included somewhere, that would be something. Or 2 shots for some higher price. Ah, the possibilities.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=WingZero94;2663779]I think YMMV when it comes to CIM. Maybe see the same girl a couple of times or give her an extra 100 THB before you start.

Don't tip too much or you'll spoil it for everyone else![/QUOTE]OMG, this is quite a contrast from the opposite extreme testimony from a few other posters 2-3 months ago who assured us getting three BBBJ+CIM+Swallow in a row on someone's first two days in town ever from three different BJ Bars and providers without a word of upfront discussion about it or tip offers was no big deal, happens all the time and, gee, we thought a 100% cum swallow finish was so commonplace as to be the norm for Thai girls in and out of the business.

Nope. Not according to my experience over the decades. LOL.

However, I must say a CIM finish was definitely the norm in BJ Bars.

Funny the mention of a possible Covid-by-Sperm rumor going around. One of my longtime favorite FL regulars came up positive for Covid and had to quarantine for 5 days. She had gotten 2 vaccine shots so the most sicknes is she's had is a slight cough for a couple of days. But it just so happens she is both the only one of my regulars who tested positive and the only one who does not graciously swallow my full load when she gives me a blowjob finish. She is an annoying spitter.

So, yep, that is exactly the Line message I sent her while she was stuck in whatever dreary quarantine cubicle room with tiny bed and terrible food they're providing her somewhere that she sends photos to me of daily.

Now, that's a rumor worth spreading; swallowers don't get Covid, spitters do. And, according to my extensive but unofficial survey, it is a scientific fact, not a rumor!

Will we be changing this thread to "Krung Thep Maha Nakhon Reports"?

Bangkok's new name is "Krungthepmahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathatiya Witsanukam Prasit"

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2663873]Will we be changing this thread to "Krung Thep Maha Nakhon Reports"?

Bangkok's new name is "Krungthepmahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathatiya Witsanukam Prasit"[/QUOTE]I thought that was always the name.

A great post tho for your hahahahath on here.

Hey BB,

Don't think the visitors to Thailand would have clue on what you're saying!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2663873]Will we be changing this thread to "Krung Thep Maha Nakhon Reports"?

Bangkok's new name is "Krungthepmahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathatiya Witsanukam Prasit"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2663824]However, I must say a CIM finish was definitely the norm in BJ Bars.[/QUOTE]My experience too. CIM is always expected service at BJ bars, look sometimes they fuck up or something or you're not giving the right signals, but CIM is expected. Swallow is not necessarily expected YMMV but usually I get it. Also, just the simple one of just telling the girl what you want works nearly all the time.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2664415]My experience too. CIM is always expected service at BJ bars, look sometimes they fuck up or something or you're not giving the right signals, but CIM is expected. Swallow is not necessarily expected YMMV but usually I get it. Also, just the simple one of just telling the girl what you want works nearly all the time.[/QUOTE]On your last statement, again, that has definitely not been my experience with hundreds of pro and non pro Thai girls that I have told I want or would much prefer her swallowing rather than spitting into a tissue or whatever.

Maybe 1-3% have complied overall. I know it isn't as good as 1 out of 20. I think only once or twice ever did a Thai girl swallow my cum rather than spit it out in a tissue or in the sink without an upfront discussion about it. Also, out of dozens and dozens.

Hell, just finding attractive Thai girls who are willing to provide a mere CIM finish to a BJ, no cum swallowing at all, is challenge enough. And from the sounds of things, it's becoming more of a challenge for others, even with pros at BJ Bars.

The usual reactions to the swallowing cum request ranges from laughing as though that's the craziest thing they've ever heard, recoiling in horror and revulsion at the very thought of it or a 3 minute lecture on how no Thai girls do that, "You'll never find a Thai girl who does that". LOL.

Seriously, I have found Thai girls are much, much more willing to bareback fuck me or even sacrifice their virginity to me than finish a proper BJ with a proper cum swallow rather than that insulting and nasty habit of "discretely" spitting it out afterwards.

Interestingly, this has only been my experience with Thai girls in Thailand. With Thai girls I met in the USA swallowing it was fairly common and no big deal. For the ones in Thailand it has always been a huge deal to them even after many repeats with a girl, now as well as 30-35 years ago.

I must have been meeting and choosing the wrong girls all this time. Or I have been the wrong guy, too hideously ugly and repulsive for them to consider such a horrible thing that might scar them psychologically for life. That's probably it.

This is whay I regard the rare Thai girl swallowers I have met and been with over the past 10 years of living here as precious jewels and rare treasures. LOL.

I like a lot of repeats, quality over quantity works for me. I find once I have seen a girl more than 3 times, she will allow or be willing to try anything. Rimming, CIM, Swallow, Photos, Videos, Ass Play or whatever weird kinky shit you are into.

I tend to find one off deals tend to be much more conservative. However once you have some connection over a few repeats anything is on the table.

If I was disappointed with Doki Doki. Where should I go next? The girls seemed way too young.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2664715] The girls seemed way too young.[/QUOTE]You say this like it's a bad thing.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2664715]If I was disappointed with Doki Doki. Where should I go next? The girls seemed way too young.[/QUOTE]555.

The ages at Doki Doki range from 22 to 35, probably perfect for most people.

Simply walk up and down any Soi starting at lower sukhumwit and you will find an infinite amount of girls above that range.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2664715]If I was disappointed with Doki Doki. Where should I go next?.[/QUOTE]I seriously doubt they were as young as you think. Almost all the girls working right now in Thailand are veterans of the game.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2664715]If I was disappointed with Doki Doki. Where should I go next? The girls seemed way too young.[/QUOTE]My first ground report from Thailand itself. I enjoyed the most in Doki Doki with Anaunya. I can never forget the nuru and stuff she did. My 90 min was well worth it, but a 60 min would have done too. I am going to visit them again.

Analisa is a complete rip off if you expect everything with FS. The best looking girls do not do FS there. If you like BJ then you get many many options but then BJ is cheaper in other places.

Mitu has very less selection of girls and all the ones I liked were not working today.

Thermae is working with about 5 girls in it. I entered and came out, haha.

You find mostly ladyboys only outside the Ruamchitt hotel / Thermae bar. There are a few girls too but they are a 100% rip off. I took a girl to my room to find out she had given birth to a baby 2 days ago. She was bleeding all the time.

Next day I got a vietnamese very fair girl from outside Thermae bar area, but after removing mask and clothes I came to know she is 35 to 40 year old lady. She had a tight pussy but her teeths hurt my dick and so it decided not to do anything for a few hours.

So out of the 4 days, I got the best service at Doki Doki till now. I am leaving Bangkok soon if this continues. Pattaya is better I think.

EihTooms lets meet up buddy.

I am planning to visit Thailand in May, assuming there isn't another surge and that the country remains open. I have my fingers crossed that I won't have to quarantine on Days 1 and 5 for my PCR test under the Test and Go program.

I have noticed that many of the girls on TF have numbers instead of names as headers on their profiles. For example, "061xxxx711" is a very cute spinner.

Are these numbers their Line IDs? Or their numbers on WhatsApp? I tried plugging in a number on WhatsApp and it did not work (a typical Thai phone number is 10 digits long and begins with a 0, but some of the numbers are more than 10 digits, and WhatsApp numbers have to begin with +66, and there would be no zero, I think).

Incidentally, Pinalove has the same phenomena. WhatsApp is very popular in the Philippines, but many of the numbers are in the wrong format.

Any insight into this would be welcome!

Interesting little discussion about CIM and The Search For The Ultimate Sex Goddess in earlier posts from you guys, and I agree with those who claim it's a hit and miss. It is!

In more recent news, there's a big boobed older and quite nutty lady at the beginning of the subject soi which managed to pull me in for 1 k to her + 500 at the bar. She's probably completely nuts but I did get some unexpected 69, BBBJ and in the end BB CIP. That last one I felt very stupid but it did feel good to be that naughty. And my dick hasn't fallen off yet so here's hoping it stays that way haha.

In Wood Bar, managed to land a good one, number 55, think name is Nod or Nud or something like that. For nice little 700 at entrance I got a rimming, solid deepthroat and a very comfortable CIM while getting a light prostate massage. She was a trooper!

In other news, Nana has been picking up, with Rainbow 4 almost back to how I remember bars of Nana, and bar whose name I can't remember near one of the corners has even better music if slightly less good looking ladies. For 100 baht beers, what more can a man want. Although I have to admit to wondering why I, as a solo guy sitting back there sippin my drink, don't get approached by ladies that much, if at all, while the Japanese get a lot of attention seemingly out of nowhere. Easier customers maybe? Oh well, par for the course, I'd probably get down to talking about business in very short order and it seems to me girls want 5 k for LT and 3 k for short, is that the going rate now?

In any case, Nana is back on the menu for me and hope it keeps going like that. As is Wood bar and possibly the surrounding ones.

Stay strong, mongers!

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2664830]I am planning to visit Thailand in May, assuming there isn't another surge and that the country remains open. I have my fingers crossed that I won't have to quarantine on Days 1 and 5 for my PCR test under the Test and Go program.

I have noticed that many of the girls on TF have numbers instead of names as headers on their profiles. For example, "061xxxx711" is a very cute spinner.

Are these numbers their Line IDs? Or their numbers on WhatsApp? I tried plugging in a number on WhatsApp and it did not work (a typical Thai phone number is 10 digits long and begins with a 0, but some of the numbers are more than 10 digits, and WhatsApp numbers have to begin with +66, and there would be no zero, I think).

Incidentally, Pinalove has the same phenomena. WhatsApp is very popular in the Philippines, but many of the numbers are in the wrong format.

Any insight into this would be welcome![/QUOTE]Yes that is a phone number, they might not be on whatsapp.

In Thailand there is a scam going on. They give false positives and make you quarantine by billing you 60 k to 120 k baht. I said I cannot affort 120 k, so they came down to 60 k. Just tell them you will dial 1330 number and land up in governement hospital / hotel. I am not sure if they give you hotel if you dial 1330.

Make sure you get a thai sim card at airport from dtac or any other company. I did not get that and so I had no way to contact 1330. Anyways, I chose the luxurious hotels and paid 60 k. But first of all, I had no Covid, I just had a bad throat my friends. They just see your symptoms and show you positive. I was negative when I left India as I had to do a test before leaving India.

Take insurance of Tune company only. They are good. Swasdee AXA is also good but they do not support some hospitals. Kluayumthai hospital ambulance came to pick me up and they did not support cashless, so I had to pay cash and now waiting if they can return the money. They say already so so so many claims that it can take 15 days to just process this claim.

Now my friends were quarantined in a new way. They were told not too serious and then 5 day quarantine. This way the insurance company do not have to pay at all. Only you have to pay!

W21 hotel is the scammer who gave false positive. Citadine hotels are empty, so they want people paying for daily rooms. The best thing is to avoid coming till there is no Corona.

Just back from Kazy Kozy 2nd floor. Yea you should go upstairs to see the best babes topless! I gave 4 of them lady drinks, had fun / foreplay with the girls. Total cost just 1 k Baht. Came out happy. Girls ask 2. 5 k + 700 barfine. It is not worth it to take the girls home though.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2664677]I like a lot of repeats, quality over quantity works for me. I find once I have seen a girl more than 3 times, she will allow or be willing to try anything. Rimming, CIM, Swallow, Photos, Videos, Ass Play or whatever weird kinky shit you are into.

I tend to find one off deals tend to be much more conservative. However once you have some connection over a few repeats anything is on the table.[/QUOTE]Same experience as you where after you take the same girl a few times everything you mentioned is on offer. Plus it seems to save me a bit of money in the end whether I don't have to pay for drinks and barfine or same prices but for LLT.

[QUOTE=Visal;2664886]Just back from Kazy Kozy 2nd floor. Yea you should go upstairs to see the best babes topless! I gave 4 of them lady drinks, had fun / foreplay with the girls. Total cost just 1 k Baht. Came out happy. Girls ask 2. 5 k + 700 barfine. It is not worth it to take the girls home though.[/QUOTE]Damnit, there's an upstairs?? And here I thought discovering girls at least dancing a bit on 2nd floor of Nana is something. I guess I just assumed with so many girls outside nothing is going on inside, pretty much the standard idea for Nana too.

Any other bars where upstairs action these days is better then downstairs?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2664716]You say this like it's a bad thing.[/QUOTE]Yes, I reacted the same way. What is wrong with this fellow?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2664677]I like a lot of repeats, quality over quantity works for me. I find once I have seen a girl more than 3 times, she will allow or be willing to try anything. Rimming, CIM, Swallow, Photos, Videos, Ass Play or whatever weird kinky shit you are into.

I tend to find one off deals tend to be much more conservative. However once you have some connection over a few repeats anything is on the table.[/QUOTE]Sure, that's the way it was for most of us in our home country with non P4 P ladies we met and dated over the years. And it is often that way with non P4 P ladies in Thailand.

But that isn't exactly the reason many of us came to holiday or live in Bangkok when it comes to paying directly for sex. I for one didn't come here to "date" the same lady 3-4 times at 2,000 - 4,000 baht per "date" before I finally get "lucky."

So for those of us who won't be having condom covered sex of any kind or where paying more than 1,000 baht for an ordinary BBBJ+CIM is over-paying unless she's a beauty and it's one of the best BBBJ+CIMs I've ever had, repeating with the same girl 3, 4 or more times is where the math on the expenditure of money, time and precious ejaculate goes haywire.

For one thing, by the time I've seen the same P4 P girl 4 times it's beginning to be about as exciting as kissing my own sister. Again, these are the reasons many of us come here instead of just staying home and dating the same regular lady multiple times. Even if that 4th time is the magic number where I can finally have actual sexual intercourse with her like god intended humans to have, how much has this first and possibly only time I'll have that experience with this one girl cost me by then?

Seeing the same P4 P girl a 5th or more times is reserved only for the true treasures for me. I know and see some. But they were not easy to find and didn't just land in my lap, that's for sure. Very rare indeed. I have some favorites I repeat with now. Somewhat under protest and because Covid came along and reduced the pool of good hookers I'd much prefer be on a conveyor belt run of new ones every time I turn around.

I guess we need to read and fill in between the lines when members here say they get either BBFS+CIP or BBFS+CIM+Swallow all the time with Thai girls at this or that venue, with this or that type of P4 P girl, all you have to do is ask for it and most of the time asking for it isn't necessary. I mean, would the missing phrase we ought to read into it be something like "after I've seen the same girl 3-4 times"? I'm just asking the wider membership here in general.

The math on those aforementioned expenditures also goes haywire when members here wonder why in the world anyone would pay, say, 3,000+ including barfine and fee to the girl in a go-go bar or beer bar for a Short Time when there are these beautiful young girls on all those sideline sites like Fiwfans who will only charge 1,200 - 1,500 baht for an hour.

Well, here's why; If I need to see the same Fiwfans girl 3-4 times at 1,500 baht each time including a 300 baht CIM upcharge plus my travel to and from the hotel in order to hopefully be blessed with just one actual BBFS+CIP on the miraculous 4th time, that one BBFS+CIP Short Time has cost me somewhere north of 6,000 baht. And it is extremely doubtful 4 visits with the same Fiwfans girl will be enough to get that, from what I've read. More likely a million repeats with the same Fiwfans girl won't be enough. LOL.

Those girls simply do not have the same additional incentives to agree to such a thing as BBFS+CIP in the privacy of their room after the money has been paid upfront. Not to mention my getting black-listed from the whole system for so much as asking for BBFS+CIP, according to what I've read.

On the other hand, for the low low cost of about half that 6,000 baht and a ton less wasted time and precious ejaculate, a girl I've met face to face in a bar for the very first time who might not be the 9 in a Fiwfans room but who still looks pretty damn fuckable to me, has several more incentives to say Yes to me for the one or two things I require in order to spend the time and money on her. And well before I've paid the barfine, much less paid the fee going to her.

Hi guys,

Visiting BKK starting Monday, and staying there for 1 week. Mostly work. First time mongering for real in Asia and I feel like I want to maximize my stay there, as my previous BKK visit in 2019 was very sad with just a few overpriced ladies and one tinder date.

I'd love to get into the real BKK life. With night clubs where you can find a lady or BJ bars, etc.

Can you please point me to the right direction where I can get info here on the forum? Or mention a few names where to start.

Or ideally looking for a drinking buddy to go out together in the evening to hunt for some girls.

Thanks!

European male 33 yo.

[QUOTE=Visal;2664886]Just back from Kazy Kozy 2nd floor. Yea you should go upstairs to see the best babes topless! I gave 4 of them lady drinks, had fun / foreplay with the girls. Total cost just 1 k Baht. Came out happy. Girls ask 2. 5 k + 700 barfine. It is not worth it to take the girls home though.[/QUOTE]You bought 4 different girls lady drinks spending 1000 but 2700 (because we all know they accept 2 k) is too much for sex? This makes no sense.

[QUOTE=Visal;2664818]Next day I got a vietnamese very fair girl from outside Thermae bar area, but after removing mask and clothes I came to know she is 35 to 40 year old lady. She had a tight pussy but her teeths hurt my dick and so it decided not to do anything for a few hours.[/QUOTE]Do you remember the name of the Viet girl? I had one a few days ago.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2665209]You bought 4 different girls lady drinks spending 1000 but 2700 (because we all know they accept 2 k) is too much for sex? This makes no sense.[/QUOTE]2,000 baht is so 2010. Much higher rates pre covid.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2665148]Well, here's why; If I need to see the same Fiwfans girl 3-4 times at 1,500 baht each time including a 300 baht CIM upcharge plus my travel to and from the hotel in order to hopefully be blessed with just one actual BBFS+CIP on the miraculous 4th time, that one BBFS+CIP Short Time has cost me somewhere north of 6,000 baht. And it is extremely doubtful 4 visits with the same Fiwfans girl will be enough to get that, from what I've read. More likely a million repeats with the same Fiwfans girl won't be enough. LOL.

Those girls simply do not have the same additional incentives to agree to such a thing as BBFS+CIP in the privacy of their room after the money has been paid upfront. Not to mention my getting black-listed from the whole system for so much as asking for BBFS+CIP, according to what I've read.

On the other hand, for the low low cost of about half that 6,000 baht and a ton less wasted time and precious ejaculate, a girl I've met face to face in a bar for the very first time who might not be the 9 in a Fiwfans room but who still looks pretty damn fuckable to me, has several more incentives to say Yes to me for the one or two things I require in order to spend the time and money on her. And well before I've paid the barfine, much less paid the fee going to her.[/QUOTE]I like this post, solid reasoning. Internet dating skews the advantage to the provider- you are going sight unseen into the deal but have already committed payment. I can't remember if you are the BM who advocates securing uncovered service in the conversation stage or just hoping for the best. My methodology is adaptive to the girl and the vibe but I admire your hard line about uncovered. I'm wondering if I should even bother purchasing any condoms before my next trip.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2665275]I like this post, solid reasoning. Internet dating skews the advantage to the provider- you are going sight unseen into the deal but have already committed payment. I can't remember if you are the BM who advocates securing uncovered service in the conversation stage or just hoping for the best. My methodology is adaptive to the girl and the vibe but I admire your hard line about uncovered. I'm wondering if I should even bother purchasing any condoms before my next trip.[/QUOTE]I much prefer to get an agreement for BBFS+CIP upfront before paying a barfine in a bar or taking a freelancer I've met in a club, on the internet or on the street. But I can also be adaptive. For instance, if the girl is doable or just strikes my fancy in the right way at the right time, the money at stake is so low, say about 1,000 baht for Short Time and the effort required is minimal in that she's practically right outside my door, I might just "go with the flow and see what happens in the room".

However, if we're talking about paying a barfine and a fee to the girl of 2,000+ baht, then I'm not so keen on taking my chances. A ladydrink investment provides a reasonable time and opportunity to get my question answered the way I prefer.

I wouldn't say I "advocate" anything regarding BBFS+CIP exactly except if it is your mongering style of choice then to have gotten a vasectomy, always have a fairly recent blood check document to show any girl who wants to see it and then to ask the girl while she is both relatively sober and is not cornered into it at a time or place where she has no other customer option.

I suppose no resistance, no verbal or body language objection to it would suffice as agreeing to it in some cases rather than literally asking upfront. But that still leaves a lot of grey area about how she is really perceiving that particular "go with the flow" event.

Anyway, it is just my preference to get the question settled upfront. Mind you, I'm coming from a position where I can't finish wearing a condom. If you can still get it up, keep it up and get it off wearing a condom, you probably ought to pack them and bring them with you. I would. It isn't as though asking upfront here is sure to get you a Yes response. Far from it. I get plenty if rejections here using that method.

BTW, not all or even many online dating site arrangements require an upfront payment. I was just referencing one of those sideliner booking sites that cater mostly to Thai or Asian customers as an example.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2664857]In Wood Bar, managed to land a good one, number 55, think name is Nod or Nud or something like that. For nice little 700 at entrance I got a rimming, solid deepthroat and a very comfortable CIM while getting a light prostate massage. She was a trooper![/QUOTE]I will second that - 55 is amazing! Best BJ I had during my last trip. Great in doubles too. Anal is also on the cards if you take her to VIP room.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2665262]2,000 baht is so 2010. Much higher rates pre covid.[/QUOTE]Are you in bkk right now? Girls will definitely go for 2000ST in bkk and patts. I'm talking about nana plaza and not soi 7 not baccara at cowboy where all the Japanese customers raises the rates through the roof. The guy said girl asked 2.5 k st which means she will 99.9% accept 2000.

[QUOTE=WingZero94;2665386]I will second that - 55 is amazing! Best BJ I had during my last trip. Great in doubles too. Anal is also on the cards if you take her to VIP room.[/QUOTE]Who you manage to find the girl? I remember that before, the executive girls have number, X was very good, also E.

Regular girls was having number. But on my last visit, in 2019, the girls has not having the label, with number, or letter anymore.

[QUOTE=WingZero94;2665386]I will second that - 55 is amazing! Best BJ I had during my last trip. Great in doubles too. Anal is also on the cards if you take her to VIP room.[/QUOTE]had Haha 30 years ago, I'm in the 4 digit range now.

One month and a wakeup hopefully.

Stopped the "Wood bar" about 8:30 pm tonight (22nd Feb 2022) and talked to "Nook".

She explained that all 3 services are available (BJ 700, Nuru 1,500, Soapy 1,500 - they open up the shops as needed).

All the ladies available are sitting outside the wood bar though.

Got a BBBJ from Nook as though she is a bit older she also looked experienced.

She definitely is good, able to DT me (which maybe 1% of ladies can do) but in the end was not able to make me come.

This monkey's banana just not cooperating.

Was a good BJ though, and for about $20 USD hard to beat.

We used to have a BJ bar in Sydney staffed by Korean lasses, so I have met the concept before, but it didn't last.

[QUOTE=ThereYouGo1337;2665175]Hi guys,

Visiting BKK starting Monday, and staying there for 1 week. Mostly work. First time mongering for real in Asia and I feel like I want to maximize my stay there, as my previous BKK visit in 2019 was very sad with just a few overpriced ladies and one tinder date.

I'd love to get into the real BKK life. With night clubs where you can find a lady or BJ bars, etc.

Can you please point me to the right direction where I can get info here on the forum? Or mention a few names where to start.
Or ideally looking for a drinking buddy to go out together in the evening to hunt for some girls..[/QUOTE]How are you going with that There?

I have just landed in Bangkok today myself for my 1st visit.

To find out where to go I have just been reading back through this forum.

1st stop was the Wood Bar, tomorrow is an afternoon / evening with Bam from Absolute Angels, Thursday will be either Tulip or Doki Doki.

So far so good.

Boater.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2665398]Are you in bkk right now? Girls will definitely go for 2000ST in bkk and patts. I'm talking about nana plaza and not soi 7 not baccara at cowboy where all the Japanese customers raises the rates through the roof. The guy said girl asked 2.5 k st which means she will 99.9% accept 2000.[/QUOTE]Went Baccara last night, only 8-10 girls at 8:30.

Really disappointed.

Finally after some time, I reach today Bangkok. First stop Doki Doki, book Pam from Line.

Pam is a nice lady, with silicone tits. Spend with her, 90 minutes nuru.

It was good with all extra, rimming, massage, sex, CIM.

Maybe I will go one more time.

Can't wait to hear all your reports! I'll be in BKK in a couple days, too. I've been on ThaiFriendly quite a bit and have a few dates lined up. I'll post how those go.

[QUOTE=Boater1788;2666414]How are you going with that There?

I have just landed in Bangkok today myself for my 1st visit.

To find out where to go I have just been reading back through this forum.

1st stop was the Wood Bar, tomorrow is an afternoon / evening with Bam from Absolute Angels, Thursday will be either Tulip or Doki Doki.

So far so good.

Boater.[/QUOTE]

After Doki Doki, I stay a bit in the room, going to eat, after I go Wooden Bar.

Only 2 ladies outside. Take one ladies with big boobs, call Sa, or something like that. Pay 700 bahts, tip 300.

Service very good, licking everywhere, deep throat, prostate massage, nice attitude.

Again back to the hotel, go to gym and swimming pool.

After I say to try 7 Heaven. Didn't go there by 2 years.

Take a lady call Pui, terrible experience. Pay 1300 baht, tip 200 to girl.

Not allow to remove mask, I have glasses, inside hot.

Girl is not having any experience, see something on the dick, I don't understand what, (I go to hinders of ladies, no one say anything), put condom, dick not hard, condom small.

Blowjob it was mostly a handjob. I say to finish and I leave.

Terrible experience, I write here to not happen to anyone something like that.

If you visit Tulip, can you please check if June is still there? Its been 3 years since I last visited and now that the bloody Aussie borders are finally open, looking forward to it. Miss D A level with June. Her number seems to have changed as getting no reply.

[QUOTE=Boater1788;2666414]How are you going with that There?

I have just landed in Bangkok today myself for my 1st visit.

To find out where to go I have just been reading back through this forum.

1st stop was the Wood Bar, tomorrow is an afternoon / evening with Bam from Absolute Angels, Thursday will be either Tulip or Doki Doki.

So far so good.

Boater.[/QUOTE]

Second day start. I go Cherry, and take BB, for one hour.

Pay 2300 baht, tip 500.

BB is a nice lady with silicone tits.

Service very good, for a small lady, doing a very good massage, fuck and BJ.

[QUOTE=SilviuO;2666800]After I say to try 7 Heaven. Didn't go there by 2 years.

Take a lady call Pui, terrible experience. Pay 1300 baht, tip 200 to girl.[/QUOTE]You get a terrible experience but yet you give her a 200 baht tip in a place that is already overpriced compared to other BJ bars in the area.

It doesn't make sense.

I hope I am not boring anyone with these simple questions, but I like ThaiFreindly, and would like to make it work for me. I got a few really really good girls from there in January 2020, but have forgotten how to use it.

First, as opposed to its sister site, Pinalove, I remember that there was limited enthusiasm for "naughty fun". In the Philippines, all one has to do is avoid the girls who state "SERIOUS ONLY. NOT HERE FOR FUN. PERVERTS WILL BE BLOCKED" and most of the others are available for a date (and once they cpome on a date, nearly all of them will have sex). But, I found in Thailand that very few girls stated their objections to first date sex but nevertheless, once I had said my Hello, many girls were asking me about my long term intentions. When I told them, they subsequently stopped talking to me.

Any thoughts about how to separate the girls with the profiles that are a waste of our time from the hot ones who are interested in sex, most often in compensation for sex as well? That is to say, how do I improve my limited time on the internet to make dates with the girls who are worth meeting?

P.S. Thanks to Visal for the last response. It was a short response, but exactly what I was looking for.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2667457]once I had said my Hello, many girls were asking me about my long term intentions. When I told them, they subsequently stopped talking to me.[/QUOTE]Why not just tell them all you're there for 3 months and thinking of coming back as a digital nomad. That way their eyes light up thinking they have hooked a guy who is both employed and thinking of living in Thailand full time. Nothing else in Thailand is the truth why should you be the first to be truthful?

I assume you're in Thailand. Thai girls don't want to waste their time talking to lonely guys for free if you're not in town or will at least be there in the next few days.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2667457]I hope I am not boring anyone with these simple questions, but I like ThaiFreindly, and would like to make it work for me. I got a few really really good girls from there in January 2020, but have forgotten how to use it.

First, as opposed to its sister site, Pinalove, I remember that there was limited enthusiasm for "naughty fun". In the Philippines, all one has to do is avoid the girls who state "SERIOUS ONLY. NOT HERE FOR FUN. PERVERTS WILL BE BLOCKED" and most of the others are available for a date (and once they cpome on a date, nearly all of them will have sex). But, I found in Thailand that very few girls stated their objections to first date sex but nevertheless, once I had said my Hello, many girls were asking me about my long term intentions. When I told them, they subsequently stopped talking to me.

Any thoughts about how to separate the girls with the profiles that are a waste of our time from the hot ones who are interested in sex, most often in compensation for sex as well? That is to say, how do I improve my limited time on the internet to make dates with the girls who are worth meeting?

P.S. Thanks to Visal for the last response. It was a short response, but exactly what I was looking for.[/QUOTE]I would not waste too much time and use the same method as in Pattaya to find a freelancer. A simple message saying Hi I am in Bangkok and looking for short time, my line ID is xxx. Message me if you are interested. Maybe the same approach here would work?

Wow, you should've seen Random tonight, tucked away on the second floor of Nana. It was packed, with lots of cute girls, though it was hard to tell them apart because of the blue strobe lights. You couldn't hear them either, because the sound system was way into permanent ear damage territory, but that didn't matter. I usually hate lighting and sound like that, but tonight it almost brought me to tears. Guys were spending way too much on drinks, but they didn't care. A guy climbed into the DJ booth to dance, and a girl tried to drag him out not because he was annoying the DJ (he wasn't, the DJ was dancing too), but because she wanted more drinks. This was all well past the nominal closing time. There's still a long way to go, but the dragon is starting to wake.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2667713]Wow, you should've seen Random tonight, tucked away on the second floor of Nana. It was packed, with lots of cute girls, though it was hard to tell them apart because of the blue strobe lights. You couldn't hear them either, because the sound system was way into permanent ear damage territory, but that didn't matter. I usually hate lighting and sound like that, but tonight it almost brought me to tears. Guys were spending way too much on drinks, but they didn't care. A guy climbed into the DJ booth to dance, and a girl tried to drag him out not because he was annoying the DJ (he wasn't, the DJ was dancing too), but because she wanted more drinks. This was all well past the nominal closing time. There's still a long way to go, but the dragon is starting to wake.[/QUOTE]Yes, Random on the second floor of Nana Plaza is one of those go-go bars converted into a club for now where the girls wear various cute outfits and, in my experience and observation at least, most of the better lookers don't barfine. They only hustle Ladydrinks. Beware of the "Coke and Tequila" scam there where they hope you think it is a single cocktail Ladydrink order but it is actually a 2 Ladydrinks order at once.

On the busiest nights there seems to be no end to the number of customers who pay for one round after another replacing any need for the better lookers to barfine anyway.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2667541]Why not just tell them all you're there for 3 months and thinking of coming back as a digital nomad. That way their eyes light up thinking they have hooked a guy who is both employed and thinking of living in Thailand full time. Nothing else in Thailand is the truth why should you be the first to be truthful?
I assume you're in Thailand. Thai girls don't want to waste their time talking to lonely guys for free if you're not in town or will at least be there in the next few days.[/QUOTE]Thanks to BananaBoi and DownandUp for responding. I am not in Thailand, but headed there soon on business. I won't start chatting with the girls until 2-3 days before travel. I was talking about my experiences in January 2020, not recently. I think the idea of just telling what I want is the best. There are a lot of girls in BKK; I guess that a handful will contact me by Line. As for misrepresenting myself, and my intentions, I am certain that would work too. All I would need to do is tell them I am looking for "serious" and even toss in the word "marriage". I typically say I am looking for a girlfriend, and have had a few hang on to me for a few years, but my lack of fidelity usually turns them off.

I have been to BKK about a ten times, but I have never left the city. Pattaya sounds great. In addition to the incredibly attractive assortment of available girls, are the beaches nice? Is there good scuba diving? If I told my Thai colleagues I was going there for sun and sand, would it seem believable?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2667728]Yes, Random on the second floor of Nana Plaza is one of those go-go bars converted into a club for now where the girls wear various cute outfits and, in my experience and observation at least, most of the better lookers don't barfine. They only hustle Ladydrinks. Beware of the "Coke and Tequila" scam there where they hope you think it is a single cocktail Ladydrink order but it is actually a 2 Ladydrinks order at once.

On the busiest nights there seems to be no end to the number of customers who pay for one round after another replacing any need for the better lookers to barfine anyway.[/QUOTE]I wonder if there's been a change in their modus operandi? Last night had a different feel, and there was significant hand-in-hand traffic out the door. I didn't try to barfine, though. There definitely was a lot of ladydrink hustling. No cute costumes, and the place was packed, which was pretty unusual.

Arrived early AM for day 1 Test & Go. Got my negative result at 11 AM from the front desk. Went out to pull some cash from ATM (Schwab checking, free ATM fees). And 300 B for 1 month unlimited data on AIS via Terminal 21 AIS shop on the top floor.

There was a hot Thai 20 yo lady I was talking to the last couple days, lots of sex talk. We met up and went to The Cassette Sky Bar. This place actually requires people to take an ATK test before entrance (150 baht per person). Our tests came back negative and we went inside. Had a few drinks and food 2 k. Taxi round trip was about 100 B (meter taxi! I paid for her round trip taxi for 400 B. She slept over and I paid her 1 k when she left in the morning (price was not mentioned before meeting). Total damage was about 4 k baht for a fun night out at a nice sky bar lounge and LT.

Honestly, I should've facetimed her before meeting. She sent me a lot of pictures and videos, so I felt reassured. But was a bit disappointed when I saw her in person. Lesson learned for next time. Session was lackluster as I wasn't that into her. I think I started falling asleep as she was giving me a BJ. She woke me up, mounted me CG and I finished in K9 and went back to sleep. Even though it wasn't it wasn't the best, I think she helped me get over my jetlag. haha.

I'll either try out some soapy massage shop today or check out Nana / cowboy / Thermae later tonight and report later. I need to keep in mind that my trip this time is a marathon and not a sprint.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2667892]I wonder if there's been a change in their modus operandi? Last night had a different feel, and there was significant hand-in-hand traffic out the door. I didn't try to barfine, though. There definitely was a lot of ladydrink hustling. The place was packed, which was pretty unusual.[/QUOTE]Yes, it could be a change. I have not been there for a couple of weeks. If they are staying open well past 11 pm official closing time now then the pressure on the better lookers not disappear from the team for 90 minutes to 2 hours starting at 8:30 pm or whatever is not so great.

I should also mention that almost all the girls you saw in that club including the better lookers were working and barfining quite regularly at those Soi 7 bars back before Nana Plaza re-opened and when reports here were that the girls in those bars were "yuck", some posters took a pass on them because they were "not impressed" LOL.

I agree with your visual assessment of the overall line up there even though it appears some punters' standards are apparently far loftier than yours and mine for what constitutes a worthwhile P4 P session for the time and money.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2667897]Arrived early AM for day 1 Test & Go. Got my negative result at 11 AM from the front desk. Went out to pull some cash from ATM (Schwab checking, free ATM fees). And 300 B for 1 month unlimited data on AIS via Terminal 21 AIS shop on the top floor.

There was a hot Thai 20 yo lady I was talking to the last couple days, lots of sex talk. We met up and went to The Cassette Sky Bar. This place actually requires people to take an ATK test before entrance (150 baht per person). Our tests came back negative and we went inside. Had a few drinks and food 2 k. Taxi round trip was about 100 B (meter taxi! I paid for her round trip taxi for 400 B. She slept over and I paid her 1 k when she left in the morning (price was not mentioned before meeting). Total damage was about 4 k baht for a fun night out at a nice sky bar lounge and LT.

Honestly, I should've facetimed her before meeting. She sent me a lot of pictures and videos, so I felt reassured. But was a bit disappointed when I saw her in person. Lesson learned for next time.

I'll either try out some soapy massage shop today or check out Nana / cowboy / Thermae later tonight and report later.[/QUOTE]As long as you had a good night who really cares that much about looks? Also if you can, download Grab or Bolt app. I dislike 99.9999% of Thai taxi drivers and always preferred using the apps.

Looking forward to more reports from you.

Hi all. Experienced guy here who has visited Thailand on many occasions, although not since around 2010.

A while ago I met the girl of my dreams. She's a sexy as fuck black girl who is wild and adventurous. We've been a happy couple ever since we met.

We're heading to Bangkok (and Samui) for a holiday and she explains she'd like a Thai girl to join us in bed to eat her pussy and fuck me. Yes, I'm a lucky guy. My question is where is the best place to search? We'll head to Nana (probably) so she can check out the scene, but I'd much prefer to arrange something in advance. Can anyone recommend which app / website we should use? I've used Tinder and numerous others, but only as a single guy and not for a few years now.

Any advice much appreciated. I'm understandably quite excited about this particular holiday.

Best regards, Pez.

[QUOTE=Pez612;2668020] A while ago I met the girl of my dreams. She's a sexy as fuck black girl who is wild and adventurous. We've been a happy couple ever since we met.

We're heading to Bangkok (and Samui) for a holiday and she explains she'd like a Thai girl to join us in bed to eat her pussy and fuck me. Yes, I'm a lucky guy. My question is where is the best place to search? We'll head to Nana (probably) so she can check out the scene, but I'd much prefer to arrange something in advance. [/QUOTE]Pez,

The best time and place to search is in Thailand. Arranging something in advance of your arrival is close to the worst thing you could do. So be patient, relax, check out Nana, the bars, and the the nightclubs if they are open when you arrive. You will find what you are looking.

Hello.

I am planning to travel to Tailand.

After first day PCR test, should I be inside hotel room / desiginated area till 5th day? Then complete the seond test and get out? Or after the first day itself can I step out and have fun? Kindly clarify please.

[QUOTE=DeepakSa;2668090]Hello.

I am planning to travel to Tailand.

After first day PCR test, should I be inside hotel room / desiginated area till 5th day? Then complete the seond test and get out? Or after the first day itself can I step out and have fun? Kindly clarify please.[/QUOTE]From 1st of March, fifth day testing is no more a pcr, is a rapid antigen self made, with no need to book a sha+ or isolate.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Pez612;2668020]A while ago I met the girl of my dreams. She's a sexy as fuck black girl who is wild and adventurous. We've been a happy couple ever since we met.

We're heading to Bangkok (and Samui) for a holiday and she explains she'd like a Thai girl to join us in bed to eat her pussy and fuck me. Yes, I'm a lucky guy. My question is where is the best place to search? We'll head to Nana (probably) so she can check out the scene, but I'd much prefer to arrange something in advance. Can anyone recommend which app / website we should use? I've used Tinder and numerous others, but only as a single guy and not for a few years now.

Any advice much appreciated. I'm understandably quite excited about this particular holiday.

Best regards, Pez.[/QUOTE]If you have a look at various escort websites (such as Bangkok golden or absolute angels) and see which ladies they have that are genuinely bi.

They will be more expensive to hire as a couple, but give you your best shot at arranging up front.

For bars / gogo clubs. Will defer to those more experienced. Though you may benefit from talking to the manager / mamasan?

[QUOTE=DeepakSa;2668090]Hello.

I am planning to travel to Tailand.

After first day PCR test, should I be inside hotel room / desiginated area till 5th day? Then complete the seond test and get out? Or after the first day itself can I step out and have fun? Kindly clarify please.[/QUOTE]No, you don't need to isolate after your negative day 1 test result. You're free to travel as soon as the result comes back. Day 5 test is getting scrapped for self test.

[B]Thermae pricing[/B]

I noticed Thermae's full of mostly Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans). I asked around for prices and the general pricing seems to be either 2 k /4 k for ST / LT or 2. 5 k /6 k.

It was interesting to see a few older farangs. One that was close by approached a couple Thai ladies and asked who would go with him for 1 k ST. Both looked indignant and refused. If this is the typical farang approach, I can see why some Thai girls just ignore them.

Anyways, yesterday was mostly a day of recon. As mentioned before, I'm taking a marathon, not a sprint approach this mongering trip.

[B]Saturday[/B]

Decided to get a brief 30 min massage at Ruean Sabai before watching Spiderman. On the way I found a massage shop (Golden Satang) with a couple cute girls. Pricing seemed to be around 500 B / HR. I suppose he is available, but unsure about pricing. I believe it's 500 for HJ, 1000 for BJ, 2000 for FS. I hope I'm wrong, as I'd be much more inclined to partake in FS if it's only 1 k. Anyways, I made a note of it to visit Satong later. After the massage, went back to Terminal 21 for Spiderman. Got dinner at my fav, CoCo Ichibanya for 1/3 the US price - $6.

Walked back to Soi Cowboy around 7:30 PM. More than half the shops were closed. The ones that were open didn't seem to have much talent. I don't think it's worth visiting in it's current state. Kazy Kozy was the best and most lively there. But that's not saying much. There was a lucky guy on the 2nd floor going to town on a topless girl sitting on his lap. It was like he had the whole 2nd floor to himself.

My favorite soapy, Mae Chan, is very close to Terminal 21 so I headed over. Figured 7:30 PM should be a good time. I was sorely disappointed to see only 3 ladies available. 1 was cute, named Nonni. She looks much better in person than in photos. Made a mental note as a backup plan.

Strolled over to Thermae and spent a good amount of time there. It opens at 8 PM, so I waited about 10 minutes outside. It gets pretty busy pretty quickly since they close at 11 PM. There were probably 7 good looking girls there out of about 40-50 ladies. Lots of Asian customers there, too. Only a handful of white guys. I stayed there for a good 2 hours, enjoying the view, talking to a couple ladies to inquire about pricing, getting some Lines. Most seem to get taken up for ST. Saw one cute chick get taken upstairs 3 times in those 2 hours I was there. She was very petite and looked Japanese.

A Thai friend from LA also met up with me there and was impressed. He's only used to going to the local markets available to Thais, which he told me costs about $150 US for 1 shot GFE session. I was very surprised as this is normally the LT fee I'm used to (approx 4 k-6 k). As we walked around, none of these girls would take him as a customer. I felt kind of bad. Some wouldn't even talk to him. It was a very surprising experience. It would be one thing if they didn't first see his face (like in massage shops). But in Thermae, where you've already seen each other's faces, I didn't understand why they'd refuse service.

A little past 10 PM, we walked over to Nana. This place was very busy with lots of guys and girls. 3rd floor is basically dead except for 1 forgettable shop. My friend and I went inside each of the shops. It was very nice to see the vibe coming back. I forget the names of the shops, but we both agreed the one shop downstairs left of the entrance and the one on top of that had the best girls. Bar fines seemed to range from 600-900. And LT ranged from 5 k-7 k. Today was recon only, so I didn't bother trying to haggle.

No shots fired today, but I'm locked and loaded for tonight.

Interestingly we were probably at Thermae at the same time, I was the farang in the straw hat. As a complete nube I chatted to another white chap visiting from LA, and his advice was to see if a lady would make eye contact before approaching her. And that they tended to favour Japanese.

As none of the 3 ladies I found attractive would meet my eye, I walked out. Real pity that I don't know how to connect there as my hotel is literally round the corner (on soi 15).

Anyway, headed up to Mai Chan around 9 and took a 90 minute session with Non ni. Report in the massage thread (when mods approve it).

So as a Farang, any advice as to how best to operate at Thermae? I don't have an issue with the ST / LT prices mentioned.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2668271][B]Thermae pricing[/B]

I noticed Thermae's full of mostly Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans). I asked around for prices and the general pricing seems to be either 2 k /4 k for ST / LT or 2. 5 k /6 k.

It was interesting to see a few older farangs. One that was close by approached a couple Thai ladies and asked who would go with him for 1 k ST. Both looked indignant and refused. If this is the typical farang approach, I can see why some Thai girls just ignore them

[B]Saturday[/B]
My favorite soapy, Mae Chan, is very close to Terminal 21 so I headed over. Figured 7:30 PM should be a good time. I was sorely disappointed to see only 3 ladies available. 1 was cute, named Nonni. She looks much better in person than in photos. Made a mental note as a backup plan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2668271][B]Thermae pricing[/B]

I noticed Thermae's full of mostly Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans). I asked around for prices and the general pricing seems to be either 2 k /4 k for ST / LT or 2. 5 k /6 k.

It was interesting to see a few older farangs. One that was close by approached a couple Thai ladies and asked who would go with him for 1 k ST. Both looked indignant and refused. If this is the typical farang approach, I can see why some Thai girls just ignore them...[/QUOTE]I am sure this is another example of how the quality of girls, in terms of attractiveness anyway, can vary wildly from venue to venue, night to night, even hour to hour. But I stopped in Thermae last night between 9 pm and 9:30 pm, bought a drink for myself, looked around at the 25 or so girls among the 40 or so mostly Asian customers and did not see any girl who was noticeably more attractive than the 1,000 baht Short Time girls I have seen standing on Soi 4 or strolling along Sukhumvit near Soi 11 and Soi 7 lately.

Maybe the older farangs you observed actually recognized the girls they approached and offered 1,000 baht to as girls they've seen in those areas at 1 am or 2 am grasping at passers by quoting that number.

I am an older farang. I was beckoned over with batting eyelids and big, inviting smiles by several of the girls as I cruised past them. But I did not bother to approach any of the girls and only stayed long enough to sip a soda and check my messages.

I can only say I would not have agreed to pay more than 1,000 baht for ST with any of the girls I saw there last night. Maybe 1,500 maximum if the girl enthusiastically agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP. And I can now only recall 1-2 out of the 25 or so there where even that would have closed the deal.

Resume of 5 days in Bangkok.

I go Doki Doki, fully functional, with few girl everyday. Go 2 times, one time with Pam, one time with Victoria, 90 minutes nuru, book before, 3200 Baht, every time. I don't like nuru to much, but both time, service was good.

Cherry Massage open, but only 2-3 girls. I take BB every times, she is having good service, 60 minute massage, 2300 baht.

Wooden bar fully open, having manny girls. All I try good BJ, also some extra, like rimming. 700 baht, every time. Now they have beer also.

Lolitas is open from 9 to 18, but only one young lady. Got one time, not bad BJ. 800 baht.

I pass near Kasalong, they are a few lady, but looking old, if some one tested please write about here.

7 Heaven, got there one time. All say that I am crazy, but very bad experience, mask, condom, lady, Pui, completely without experience with BJ. 1300 baht.

Tomorrow I have booking at Kokoro with Mona, hoppe it will be a good experience.

[QUOTE=Boater1788;2668279]Interestingly we were probably at Thermae at the same time, I was the farang in the straw hat. As a complete nube I chatted to another white chap visiting from LA, and his advice was to see if a lady would make eye contact before approaching her. And that they tended to favour Japanese.

As none of the 3 ladies I found attractive would meet my eye, I walked out. Real pity that I don't know how to connect there as my hotel is literally round the corner (on soi 15).

Anyway, headed up to Mai Chan around 9 and took a 90 minute session with Non ni. Report in the massage thread (when mods approve it).

So as a Farang, any advice as to how best to operate at Thermae? I don't have an issue with the ST / LT prices mentioned.[/QUOTE]I find that standing in front of one of those shy girls and fanning out a few thousand baht gets their attention.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2668271][B]Thermae pricing[/B]

A Thai friend from LA also met up with me there and was impressed. He's only used to going to the local markets available to Thais, which he told me costs about $150 US for 1 shot GFE session. I was very surprised as this is normally the LT fee I'm used to (approx 4 k-6 k). As we walked around, none of these girls would take him as a customer. I felt kind of bad. Some wouldn't even talk to him. It was a very surprising experience. It would be one thing if they didn't first see his face (like in massage shops). But in Thermae, where you've already seen each other's faces, I didn't understand why they'd refuse service.

A little past 10 PM, we walked over to Nana. This place was very busy with lots of guys and girls. 3rd floor is basically dead except for 1 forgettable shop. My friend and I went inside each of the shops. It was very nice to see the vibe coming back. I forget the names of the shops, but we both agreed the one shop downstairs left of the entrance and the one on top of that had the best girls. Bar fines seemed to range from 600-900. And LT ranged from 5 k-7 k. Today was recon only, so I didn't bother trying to haggle.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your experience. I know Thai guys are not allowed in Nana Plaza, but interesting about Thermae as well but I've heard locals usually have cheaper alternatives.

Good to hear Nana is getting better. The bars you mentioned sound like Twister and maybe Spankys? Look forward to hearing more about your marathon and getting to fire off some shots.

I was in Thermae last night and the atmosphere was dead. Not one girl even half looked at me because I gather I was a Caucasian, only a couple of others there also. Mainly full of Japanese who the girls were obviously waiting for. Japanese guys would walk in, look around, chat to a girl for 15 seconds and they were both out the door. Finished my drink and left.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2668271]Strolled over to Thermae and spent a good amount of time there. It opens at 8 PM, so I waited about 10 minutes outside. It gets pretty busy pretty quickly since they close at 11 PM. There were probably 7 good looking girls there out of about 40-50 ladies. Lots of Asian customers there, too. Only a handful of white guys. I stayed there for a good 2 hours, enjoying the view, talking to a couple ladies to inquire about pricing, getting some Lines. Most seem to get taken up for ST. Saw one cute chick get taken upstairs 3 times in those 2 hours I was there. She was very petite and looked Japanese.
[/QUOTE]I was there about 24 hours later and the Thermae scene was totally different. I walked in at about 8:30 Sunday and the place was almost empty. Off to the left were 2 girls sharing a booth, deep in conversation. To the right were 2 girls in separate booths with faces deep in their smart phones. In the middle were 2 customers who seemed to be uninterested in the 4 girls available. I departed before the beer sales guy could direct me to the bar.

On a brighter note, the freelancer scene had 50% quantity but higher than average quality than pre-COVID. I found a cutie a few meters west of Thermae who gave a wonderful 2-hour session in my hotel for 1500 baht. Sweet pillow talk after finishing became boring, so we showered and I pointed her to the door. This is another who wanted to spend the night with me, probably to avoid going back to the shit hole where she lives.

Earlier in the day I had wild session with a 7/1 girl. I really think she has some sort of mental problem that resulted in a session that was unpredictable and wildly fun.

For me, BKK is a sprint, not a marathon. In a few days I will be off to calmer parts of TLOS.

[QUOTE=Boater1788;2668279]Anyway, headed up to Mai Chan around 9 and took a 90 minute session with Non ni. Report in the massage thread (when mods approve it). I found Victoria at DokiDoki to be the most attractive there as well. But with the heavy 3k fee for 1 hr, I took a pass. Glad I did because I had a much better session at night (report to follow).

So as a Farang, any advice as to how best to operate at Thermae? I don't have an issue with the ST / LT prices mentioned.[/QUOTE]Cool! I hope we can hang out at Thermae Cafe some time. I don't necessarily think you need to make eye contact first. You can walk up to them, ask their name and their ST / LT price. If they DON'T like you, they might quote you an outrageous price (10 k). It seems 2. 5 k /6 k is normal with a few offering 2 k /4 k.

I'm glad to hear about your experience with Non Ni. She did seem the most attractive there. Out of the 3 ladies available. LOL.

[QUOTE=CockaSaurus;2668514]Thank you for sharing your experience. I know Thai guys are not allowed in Nana Plaza, but interesting about Thermae as well but I've heard locals usually have cheaper alternatives.[/QUOTE]Oh, that's a surprise. My Thai friend didn't have any problems coming into Nana with me. Maybe he doesn't know the local options well. But he said 1 pop GFE sessions for him normally starts at $150 US. I was very startled since for tourists, it usually starts at around $30 US, $60 for upscale experience (like nuru).

[QUOTE=Kakariki;2668597]I was in Thermae last night and the atmosphere was dead. Not one girl even half looked at me because I gather I was a Caucasian, only a couple of others there also. Mainly full of Japanese who the girls were obviously waiting for. Japanese guys would walk in, look around, chat to a girl for 15 seconds and they were both out the door. Finished my drink and left.[/QUOTE]I went again last night around 10:30 for some much needed action and found one. Same girl I found the night before and took her to my hotel for 4 k LT.

Those Japanese guys take the prettiest ladies fast.

The recon work from the night before paid off.

[B]More recon[/B]

I started the day just walking around and visiting malls and massage shops. I visited the massage shops mostly to see what the talent looks like and pricing. Again, Golden Satang (close by Soi Cowboy) seemed pretty enticing, same 2 pretty girls working there today. But I wanted to check out DokiDoki and Daisy Dream today. Walked up Sukhumvit to DokiDoki and saw the lineup. I didn't feel the price justified the quality of girls. There were a few other shops in the area, but nothing worth mentioning. Walked over to Daisy Dream. I believe prices were better (2. 5 k for 1 HR), but again, selection was just ok. Mamasan let me hang out for a little while as I caught up on ISG messages and posts avoiding the dreaded 92 deg heat outside. But was soon kicked out haha. Around the corner is 666 class. I remember seeing this shop on YT with a few gorgeous ladies who I wouldn't mind dropping 2400 on. But the selection was very bad today, only 1 available and 1 already working.

I'd been walking around for 3+ hours and was scheduled to meet my Thai friend for dinner in Chinatown. Before heading over, I decided to get some much needed foot massage and went back to Golden Satan. I wanted to get a regular massage from the cute chick there to see how our chemistry would be like. When I saw her sitting there, she looked rather cold and probably barely spoke any English. Anyways, They took me inside and told me that FS would be 2 k. I said I only want a regular massage and was told that I can only choose a girl if I get extra service. Otherwise, I just get a random girl. So I decided to walk out and said 2 k is too much. She kept asking how much I want, but I lost interest and walked down a few yards to Ruaen Massage for 1 HR foot massage for 150 baht.

[B]Thermae[/B]

After the Chinatown crawl, my friend headed back home, I went to my hotel to washed up before going back to Thermae Cafe. I made my round and wasn't too impressed. It sucks most of these girls also have a mask on. I did see the blond pixie haired girl I met the day prior. We sat down at a table and talked for a little bit. She seemed super chill, lots of smiling and we seemed to click. So I took her back to my hotel for LT, which she drove us to in her own car (first time experiencing this).

Back in my hotel, she was able to get 3 amazing shots out of me in the span of about 2 hours. I was spent. Pillow talk was really fun. We were talking about pricing and what she thought about customers negotiating. She said she's pretty much already set the minimum rate for herself, so she doesn't like the price being haggled. Also said that if the customer wants LT, but also wants to take her to dinner or club, it's more exhausting for her and would charge more based on that. She told me that pre-Covid, standard prices were 3 k ST and 6 k LT, which are slightly more than I remember. So it might be easy to negotiate the 2. 5 k /6 k girls down a bit, especially the later it gets at night. Unfortunately, that's probably not the case for some of the more popular ladies there.

Anyways, we really hit it off. She told me to contact her when I'm not busy so we can go get some coffee and she can show me around town. I'll definitely be taking her up on that offer.

I doubt all LTs will be as good as her. I'll try out FiwFans, too. But I plan on making Thermae my main watering hole.

[QUOTE=CockaSaurus;2668514]Thank you for sharing your experience. I know Thai guys are not allowed in Nana Plaza, but interesting about Thermae as well but I've heard locals usually have cheaper alternatives.

Good to hear Nana is getting better. The bars you mentioned sound like Twister and maybe Spankys? Look forward to hearing more about your marathon and getting to fire off some shots.[/QUOTE]I have not noticed Thai guys being refused entry into Nana Plaza. I see them there often.

On Spanky's, my first experience there a few nights ago since some of those go-go bars reopened as beer bars or clubs went like this:

A lovely girl outside their entrance got a grip on me and wouldn't let go. As I was kind of thirsty anyway and she felt very good in my hand around her waist, I let her lead me inside and find us a spot in the booths.

Did I say us? Nope. Only for me. The instant my ass hit the cushion, that lovely girl was gone and never returned.

I get my drink from a server and see another lovely lady dancing on stage (in evening gowns for now, no bikinis or topless) who is trying to catch my eye, smiling, gesturing subtly for me to let her come sit with me. I smile back, give her an OK sign, mime a drink and gesture for her to come on over. Why not?

I have no idea why not. But for the next 10 minutes she stayed put on stage and there were no more smiles or attention my way. Strike two for Spanky's. I guess it pleased her to finally get me to openly agree to have her come over for a drink only to snub me in front of the other patrons and girls. LOL.

About to finish my drink alone, I gesture to the server for my check bin, pay it, add a 20 baht tip, stand to leave and that's when the girl on stage suddenly appeared at my side.

"Where you go? Why you leave"?

I explained as best I could through the loud music my Strike One, Strike Two and impatience to find out what Strike Three was going to be here unless her sudden appearance at my side when it was clear I was not going to buy a second drink for myself within 10 minutes while waiting for her to join me or not was Strike Three.

I smiled, patted her on the butt and left.

Look, I know any and all of those procedures can be found at any bar, now as during normal times. I am fully aware of that.

Good looking door girls are often used just as the lure to bring you in, give you the impression she will be the one to sit, drink, chat and possibly negotiate a P4 P session with you. And then they drop you in a seat and disappear.

The policy at some bars is when you agree by gesture to buy a dancer a drink, she has to remain on stage through the rest of the set before she can hop off the stage to join you. And by then even you are ready for a second drink.

I know all about those things and more.

But, guys. This moment in time is when these bars, management, staff and girls are testing the waters in all directions to find out what the "New Normal" will be for us customers and punters. And if they can throw in every bar advantage bit with every customer disadvantage bit they ever learned and tried in the past while we happily and patiently accept it, pay up and never walk, any and all of those little customer disadvantage bits will most certainly be the "New Normal", even the part about no showing of skin in these bars and holding to 3,000+ baht for ST.

I know several of the bar managers, mamasans and many of the girls. I assure you they are checking to see how much they can get away with and still pack the place with customers willing to accept anything after the long break.

I have no illusions about anything any one of us saying here leading the charge for resisting and walking when the bar's policy and the girls' behavior starts smelling even slightly of a classic scam these days.

But there has never been a better time for us to be setting the rules for the "New Normal" to come.

Don't squander it. The bars and girls certainly are not squandering the moment and opportunity.

At Boater1788 and at SilviuO, you guys should get paid membership for private messaging features. Nobody's going to post their private contact info on here.

[QUOTE=Boater1788;2668226]If you have a look at various escort websites (such as Bangkok golden or absolute angels) and see which ladies they have that are genuinely bi.

They will be more expensive to hire as a couple, but give you your best shot at arranging up front.

For bars / gogo clubs. Will defer to those more experienced. Though you may benefit from talking to the manager / mamasan?[/QUOTE]That's a great idea. Agency it is. I don't mind the extra money for the convenience. Thanks also to Axel for your reply; we'll head out to nana or cowboy for at least one night so may get lucky.

[QUOTE=Pez612;2668893]That's a great idea. Agency it is. I don't mind the extra money for the convenience. Thanks also to Axel for your reply; we'll head out to nana or cowboy for at least one night so may get lucky.[/QUOTE]I just had a 4 hour session with Bell from golden, and during it she confirmed that she is very much into girls.

She also likes Anal so could cowgirl you in her arse while your GF ate her out. Lots of possibilities. Delightful lady.

[QUOTE=Pez612;2668020]Hi all. Experienced guy here who has visited Thailand on many occasions, although not since around 2010.

A while ago I met the girl of my dreams. She's a sexy as fuck black girl who is wild and adventurous. We've been a happy couple ever since we met.

We're heading to Bangkok (and Samui) for a holiday and she explains she'd like a Thai girl to join us in bed to eat her pussy and fuck me. Yes, I'm a lucky guy. My question is where is the best place to search? We'll head to Nana (probably) so she can check out the scene, but I'd much prefer to arrange something in advance. Can anyone recommend which app / website we should use? I've used Tinder and numerous others, but only as a single guy and not for a few years now.

Any advice much appreciated. I'm understandably quite excited about this particular holiday.

Best regards, Pez.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't book an agency girl or online app, you want to meet the girl before deciding. There are some pretty ugly women who will do said service just for the money, to survive and their service will be very businesslike, cold. I would suggest you come down to Pattaya and try out Soi 6 together. You've got hundreds of girls to talk with in the bars. Easy to type in the translator on your phone to one girl in each bar "any girls here like women? Before spending any money see if the girl will kiss and fondle your girl. If it doesn't pan out on Soi 6 there are tons of girls in the bars around LK metro. Book a hotel down here for 2 days and see how it goes. If its not good then you can move to Bangkok and try your luck with escort agencys.

[QUOTE=Boater1788;2668729]Seems there has been some inflation.

I was told 333.

3 k baht.

3".

3 minutes.[/QUOTE]Probably has.

But I've been around Thailand for a while.

I am from India. Now that flight tickets have become reasonable, planning for a trip. Earlier I used to just carry 2000 B cash, get a visa and walk out.

Now I am reading things like, 72 HR prior rtpcnr test, 1 day stay in approved hotel, test after 5 days, Thailand pass etc.

Can some explain how these work? What is there is a false positive. FYI I am poked with covishield twice.

[QUOTE=SarjapurRoamer;2669108]I am from India. Now I am reading things like, 72 HR prior rtpcnr test, 1 day stay in approved hotel, test after 5 days, Thailand pass etc. Can some explain how these work?[/QUOTE]If only somebody had recently traveled to Thailand and posted a report explaining the rules and how to comply with them. I'll bet Mr. Sarjapur would find that very helpful.

[QUOTE=SarjapurRoamer;2669108]I am from India. Now that flight tickets have become reasonable, planning for a trip. Earlier I used to just carry 2000 B cash, get a visa and walk out.

Now I am reading things like, 72 HR prior rtpcnr test, 1 day stay in approved hotel, test after 5 days, Thailand pass etc.

Can some explain how these work? What is there is a false positive. FYI I am poked with covishield twice.[/QUOTE]Test and Go as of March 1st.

[URL]https://tp.consular.go.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=SarjapurRoamer;2669108]I am from India. Now that flight tickets have become reasonable, planning for a trip. Earlier I used to just carry 2000 B cash, get a visa and walk out.

Now I am reading things like, 72 HR prior rtpcnr test, 1 day stay in approved hotel, test after 5 days, Thailand pass etc.

Can some explain how these work? What is there is a false positive. FYI I am poked with covishield twice.[/QUOTE]For general tourism related questions (non monger related), I suggest you visit [URL]https://old.reddit.com/r/ThailandTourism/[/URL].

Please do not post annoying follow up questions without first doing some due diligence. You will be berated or ignored.

I have not seen this stated in any of the official publications, so I guess I should avoid naming names and locations in case it can cause problems.

But it appears to me to be a wide open door secret that several bars around town that had in the past operated as those things called "go-go" bars are pretty much doing so again and have been for a few weeks.

No, not with skimpy bikinis, topless or nude. In most cases. But certainly with cute little short skirt outfits in most cases. And not with stages crowded with girls yet. But a few.

Last night I called down two early 20-something cute doables from the stage of a well located, well, go-go bar to sit with me in a back booth and, lo and behold, it was a three way DFK and crotch caress festival through two LDs, just like normal times.

I was feeling so encouraged I dared to brake with my typical style of negotiating for BBFS+CIP ever so discretely and individually with a new girl by bringing it up with both of them at the same time when they lobbied hard for me to barfine and take both of them. Really, more to see how that change in my negotiation style would go. Although I thought they were both doable and my pecker was definitely confirming it, I would not have been heartbroken in the least if they'd both shrieked in horror at the upfront discussion and ran for the exits.

They didn't.

As it turned out, one was kind of ok with it and the other was non committal about it but also not shocked or alarmed about the discussion.

Of course, they left it to me to choose one or both. I chose the one who was more ok about what I wanted. The other one seemed crestfallen that I hadn't chosen her. I explained why I chose the other one while that one was changing into her street clothes. She seemed to brighten up when I told her I would take her next time if she feels more comfortable about doing what I asked for next time.

Damage was about 800 baht for 4 LDs and one drink for me, 600 baht barfine and a negotiated 2,500 baht to the girl for a leisurely, no hurry ST in my nearby apartment.

The result was as agreed to, no unpleasant surprises. Oh, there was the usual discovery that the little tike was not as hot in reality as she looked in the bar lighting and the cute outfit. Par for the course. But it was still a very satisfying Real GFE BBFS+CIP with a brand new firm body sweet 24 year old girl within an hour of meeting her.

Hard to beat that in my retirement years.

Funny punchline to the night was after that girl left my room and left me drained for the night at about 10:30 pm I got a Line message from my favorite pre-Covid regular who I had not been with for a while to "Come pick me up, honey". I did. She stayed all night and is still snoozing in my bed.

Thank god for Sidegra in my retirement years too!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2668652]The recon work from the night before paid off.

[B]Thermae[/B]

After the Chinatown crawl, my friend headed back home, I went to my hotel to washed up before going back to Thermae Cafe. I made my round and wasn't too impressed. It sucks most of these girls also have a mask on. I did see the blond pixie haired girl I met the day prior. We sat down at a table and talked for a little bit. She seemed super chill, lots of smiling and we seemed to click. So I took her back to my hotel for LT, which she drove us to in her own car (first time experiencing this).

Back in my hotel, she was able to get 3 amazing shots out of me in the span of about 2 hours. I was spent. Pillow talk was really fun. We were talking about pricing and what she thought about customers negotiating. She said she's pretty much already set the minimum rate for herself, so she doesn't like the price being haggled. Also said that if the customer wants LT, but also wants to take her to dinner or club, it's more exhausting for her and would charge more based on that. She told me that pre-Covid, standard prices were 3 k ST and 6 k LT, which are slightly more than I remember. So it might be easy to negotiate the 2. 5 k /6 k girls down a bit, especially the later it gets at night. Unfortunately, that's probably not the case for some of the more popular ladies there..[/QUOTE]I think I saw her there. Does she stand by the bar, away from the rest of the girls? I decided on a young one. I don't know why these girls keep their masks on. Feels a bit awkward to ask them to show their face, preparing for the decline. Very quiet there though on a weeknight.

Re the Thermae:

Is the old short smiling guy still directing folks for drinks? He and I go waaaaay back.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2669674]Re the Thermae:

Is the old short smiling guy still directing folks for drinks? He and I go waaaaay back.[/QUOTE]I don't look at the faces of guys when I'm in Thermae. But yes, there's an old, short Thai man guiding people to drinks right past the door.

[QUOTE=Kakariki;2668597]Japanese guys would walk in, look around, chat to a girl for 15 seconds and they were both out the door.[/QUOTE]

It's mainly because these Japanese and Korean guys don't have English skills to talk more than 15 seconds. It's also because they don't want to waste time and bang 3 or 4 girls a night. A couple at Thermae as a warm up then to a gogo bar for LT. It's a competition between him and his buddies who can bang more girls.

[QUOTE=Kakariki;2668597]Not one girl even half looked at me because I gather I was a Caucasian, only a couple of others there also. [/QUOTE]

Now if you walked up to talk to them and they turned their backs to you then there's an issue. Otherwise, I find caucasians who have the most success at Thermae are ones who go talk to the girl they like instead of waiting for a smile from them. If Thermae is packed this is the only way to do things because it's a you snooze you lose in this pick up bar.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2669830]I don't look at the faces of guys when I'm in Thermae. But yes, there's an old, short Thai man guiding people to drinks right past the door.[/QUOTE]Any regular of Thermae knows exactly who Nyezhov is talking about. Likely the only staff member there all the girls know by name and joke around with.

Is Butterflies in Nana open yet? And if so did it have many girls?

[QUOTE=FunQuest;2669479]I think I saw her there. Does she stand by the bar, away from the rest of the girls? I decided on a young one. I don't know why these girls keep their masks on. Feels a bit awkward to ask them to show their face, preparing for the decline. Very quiet there though on a weeknight.[/QUOTE]Yes, she does tend to stand away from the other girls. She is in her late 20's, but reminds me of a young, sexy Kim Hae Soo. I highly recommend, especially at that no haggle rate.

I saw that Japanese looking girl at Thermae again last night. Man, she is popular. I saw her taken for ST 3 times in the span of a couple hours a few nights ago. That time, she quoted 6 k for LT. Last night, I got there late and she quoted me 5 k for LT, still 2. 5 k for ST. But she only allows 2 pops and no DFK. So it's a big no for me. She usually doesn't wear a mask and looks better than lots of Japanese porn stars.

About to see a FiwFans girl. I think I have this correct, but some of googles translations leave phrases to our best imagination. Can someone help me validate these assumptions?

1. On the cover. Means looks.

2. Bed story. Means sex performance / service?

3. Value. Service worth the cost?

One. Ore question is, why are there so many 10 out of 10's? Is that to be understood as just the average score and anything under 10 is just meh?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2669837]It's mainly because these Japanese and Korean guys don't have English skills to talk more than 15 seconds. It's also because they don't want to waste time and bang 3 or 4 girls a night. A couple at Thermae as a warm up then to a gogo bar for LT. It's a competition between him and his buddies who can bang more girls..[/QUOTE]BB,

I sometimes tend to think the old guy is one of the "powers" there. Many folks seem to defer to him, but he is such a nice guy. I wonder if the cop (the lean mid 40's guy with the high and tight) is still there, and the middle aged guy with the cash behind the desk.

The staff there has always treated me really nice, probably because I hang, have a few, tip well and treat them like friends.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2669950]About to see a FiwFans girl. I think I have this correct, but some of googles translations leave phrases to our best imagination. Can someone help me validate these assumptions?

1. On the cover. Means looks.

2. Bed story. Means sex performance / service?

3. Value. Service worth the cost?

One. Ore question is, why are there so many 10 out of 10's? Is that to be understood as just the average score and anything under 10 is just meh?[/QUOTE]Many 10/10's due to fake reviews.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2669950]About to see a FiwFans girl. I think I have this correct, but some of googles translations leave phrases to our best imagination. Can someone help me validate these assumptions?

1. On the cover. Means looks.

2. Bed story. Means sex performance / service?

3. Value. Service worth the cost?

One. Ore question is, why are there so many 10 out of 10's? Is that to be understood as just the average score and anything under 10 is just meh?[/QUOTE]Yes, anything under a 10 is meh.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2669979]Yes, anything under a 10 is meh.[/QUOTE]FiwFans was a complete dud. I chose Mini based on pics and reviews (I think she had 2-3). Looks were a 6 at most. There were some resemblances to her pics, but pics looked about 15 years younger. I left and hung out at lollipop the rest of the night. Nana seems to be getting better and better talents (appearance wise).

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2670294]FiwFans was a complete dud. I chose Mini based on pics and reviews (I think she had 2-3). Looks were a 6 at most. There were some resemblances to her pics, but pics looked about 15 years younger. I left and hung out at lollipop the rest of the night. Nana seems to be getting better and better talents (appearance wise).[/QUOTE]Fiwfans and local online P4 P is amazing if you're willing to put in the time. Just going to the website is not enough, you have to join the telegram groups, learn how to read between the lines on the reviews, and carefully select the provider. You can't just open up the website look for something visually appealing scan a couple of reviews and book.

I can certainly see why tourists and short-term residents don't want to put in the time. But if you're interested in lighter skinned, baby free, nice looking gals as opposed to the mommies you find in the bar scene then it is well worth the time. I will also add that the majority of the online girls are much more pleasant to be around. I also understand that some guys like sitting and drinking with gals, but most long-term residents have no desire to do that.

This diary continues on from the Pattaya pages, where I spent a very enjoyable week.

I checked out of my hotel LK Metropole at 9 pm and intended to take a bus to Bangkok but changed my mind last minute and took a taxi. It cost 1500 baht to take me in to the city centre and drop me off in Nana (90 minutes) but if you wanted to go the airport from Pattaya it costs 1200 baht and the journey takes about an hour and ten minutes.

As always I chose to stay at Nana Hotel. It's a decent enough hotel but its main selling point is its literally across the road from Nana Plaza, one of the best adult playgrounds in Asia.

My room cost 1300 and is on the 9th floor. The bell-boy placed my luggage down and then said in a hushed tone 'you wan massage sir?' You don't really need help finding girls in Bangkok.

The room has a nice big hard double bed, safe, cable TV and basic bathroom, as well as a decent view of the surrounding skyscrapers. I was distraught though to discover it doesn't have a kettle as I enjoy my morning coffee and have developed quite a taste for noodles.

I unpacked and went for a quick wander down soi 4 to get my bearings. It's seven years since I've been here and things have changed. Nana Plaza has a roof and is painted yellow (Banana Plaza?) and the 7 Eleven on the corner of the road leading to Annie's isn't there either. I presume Annie's has relocated to somewhere else as it enjoyed a reputation as one of Bangkok's best massage parlours.

It was about 6 pm and there were plenty of freelancers dotted along soi 4, some of whom were good looking. Promising. I ate a tasty Thai omelette containing spicy pork mince at Bus-Stop and then walked the short distance to my destination for the night.

Nana Plaza is one of my favourite places in SE Asia. It's three storeys of gogo bars and I've taken some absolute stunners from there in the past. I knew the gogo bars wouldn't be open as gogo bars but I was keen to see if there were many pretty girls.

First thing first, you do not need to get tested to enter. There is a desk with security outside and they just require you have a quick temperature check and sanitize your hands.

Quite a lot of the gogo bars on the ground floor were open, with lots of girls sat outside. The beer-bars in the middle seemed to be where you go for a quiet beer without ladydrink pressure. Several bars on the 2nd floor were open too but none on the third. A covers band were playing 'Sweet Home Alabama' in the corner.

So where would I start? There was only one place, Rainbow 5 on the second floor. On previous visits this was the number one bar and I've bar-fined some incredible girls. To get there I took the elevator up on the right and was sad to see Mandarin closed, one of Nana's hidden gems on previous trips.

What used to be Rainbow 4 is now Rainbow 5. You can't miss it with all the red and white lighting outside. There were some pretty Hello, girls and when I was shown inside I was pleased to see 10 girls spread across the two L-shaped stages, albeit sat on stools rather than shuffling around chrome poles. Ordinarily the girls wear skimpy bikinis but now they have to cover up, so wore French maid outfits instead.

One of the reasons I love gogo bars is that you can grab a stool, admire the girls and invite one down for a drink. This was a similar setup. Infinitely more preferable to what I experienced in Pattaya, where there is nothing going on onstage and the waitresses pounce on you for lady-drinks.

There were several strong contenders but I invited a pretty fair-haired girl down. She was sat on a stool next to a friend and was chatting away, sharing jokes, showing off a dazzling smile. She had a great figure and was good company too. She was 23, from Chiang Mai and she told me it was only her fifth day at the bar. My Chang cost 120 baht and her tequila was 195.

It was too early to bar-fine but I enquired about prices anyway. The bar-fine was 600 baht and she quoted an eye-watering 3000 baht for one hour. Long-time was 5,000. Not cheap!

I got hit with a foam whip as I walked past the aptly named Spankeys and settled on a bar on the ground floor for my second drink. It was called Twisters and I ended up offering to buy a drink for a cute girl, who once again ordered tequila (195 b). She downed it quickly and as if by magic a waitress appeared and asked 'one more lady-drink, sir?' Annoying.

The girl and I didn't click but I enquired about prices anyway. The bar-fine was 600 and again she charged 3000 short-time. At least that was for two hours, unlike the girl from Rainbow!

I moved on to Erotica and bought a drink for a lovely girl called Moon. She was good fun and a definite bar-fine candidate. The bar-fine at Erotica is 700 b and Moon once again quoted 3000 for short-time. Of course prices can be negotiated down. I didn't see any girls leaving any of the bars with a customer, so I reckon 2000 would be achievable for short-time.

I decided to abort mission in Nana Plaza as the prices are crazy.

Early evening I'd been quite impressed with the quality of freelancers on soi 4 but by 10 pm there were mainly older girls or ladyboys.

So I decided to head to soi 7, a short walk away, across Sukhumvit. I didn't have high expectations as I believed it would be a revamped Biergarten, which I visited a long while back and was full of seasoned pros. But I was wrong. It was a lively beer bar complex that must have had 30 bars. There were lots of pretty girls, many of whom could easily work in any of the gogo bars. I was hugely impressed.

I saw a beautiful young girl sat on a school and immediately offered her a drink. She was 20 years old and cuteness personified, with braces on her teeth. She spoke basic English but it didn't matter as a rock band playing next to the bar made conversation impossible. She smiled sweetly to me each time I looked at her. I'll name her G for the purpose of this diary.

The bar-fine was 600 and with the help of the mamasan she quoted 2000 short-time and 3000 long-time. I offered 1500 short-time and dangled the carrot of a 500 tip if she made me smile. It's a cheesy line but it always works and usually guarantees an enthusiastic performance.

She agreed and I settled my bill. The mamasan cheekily added a tequila to my bill for herself, which I spotted and made her deduct.

As I stood up to leave a girl approached me and said 'why you go?' Then she saw G come to my side and her face lit up and she gave her a big hug. The girl told me she was G's cousin and it was only G's second day working in a bar and I was her first customer.

G seemed a little nervous back in the room so I let things go at her pace. I let her choose something to watch on TV and she chose a Thai talent show. We must have watched it for an hour before we showered.

The sex was outstanding. Exactly what I look for when I bar-fine a girl. We softly kissed under the duvet and she gradually built in confidence and kissed me more passionately. We must have kissed for half an hour until gradually it became more physical. Her pussy was extremely tight but it was a fantastic feeling, slowly sliding in and out of her as we kissed. She rode me to a climax and we fell asleep arm in arm.

What a special girl to start my time in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2670377]I was distraught though to discover it doesn't have a kettle as I enjoy my morning coffee and have developed quite a taste for noodles.............. I presume Annie's has relocated to somewhere else as it enjoyed a reputation as one of Bangkok's best massage parlours.
[/QUOTE]You can buy a cheap kettle at Big see Supercenter, BTS to Chit Lom and head to Ratchadamri Rd. Around 300 Baht, throw it away when you leave.

Annies was my all time favourite place in Bangkok, I visited it for probably 20 years, alas it was closed permanently. Apparently busted from illegally putting a well into the water table to decrease its water bill. Every second massage place does this so who knows what the real reason was. They own Chrome bar on Soi 7/1 and moved all the girls there when it shut but it has never been the same since.

Thanks for the reports, we all appreciate the time and effort you put into sharing.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2670327]Fiwfans and local online P4 P is amazing if you're willing to put in the time. Just going to the website is not enough, you have to join the telegram groups, learn how to read between the lines on the reviews, and carefully select the provider. You can't just open up the website look for something visually appealing scan a couple of reviews and book.

I can certainly see why tourists and short-term residents don't want to put in the time. But if you're interested in lighter skinned, baby free, nice looking gals as opposed to the mommies you find in the bar scene then it is well worth the time. I will also add that the majority of the online girls are much more pleasant to be around. I also understand that some guys like sitting and drinking with gals, but most long-term residents have no desire to do that.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. I've ended a long term relationship recently and only started to explore Fiwfans, sidelines and similar online options in December. From my limited experience and chitchat with the girls (no more than 20), I would say there are three types of online girls.

- A professional that used to be an FL or a bargirl but due to Covid works online.

- A full-time girl for the local market.

- Part-time girls (students, office workers) earning some extra money.

With the first type, you are basically getting the same as a bar without bar / LD overhead but without "hunting" excitement if you like it. The second type (to talk with them, you need some basic Thai) are more "Thai" beautiful. Whiter, thinner, younger, but more cock-scared / starfish. The third type was a pleasant surprise to me. Some real gems with almost genuine GF experience and exemplary skillset / stamina. Most of them are willing to repeat at my place, saving the encumbrance of commuting to their hotels. One of the indications of type three girls (in their online profiles) is that they do not work for through agencies (3619;3633;3610;3591;3634;3609;3648;3629;3591; / get the job yourself) and have their face hidden.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2637015]So which telegram and Line groups would you recommend?

I have been looking at fiwfans and I got some good advice from Monkeypaw about how best to tackle that site, but I'm curious to look at the telegram and Line groups.[/QUOTE]Monkeypaw?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2670294]FiwFans was a complete dud. I chose Mini based on pics and reviews (I think she had 2-3). Looks were a 6 at most. There were some resemblances to her pics, but pics looked about 15 years younger. I left and hung out at lollipop the rest of the night. Nana seems to be getting better and better talents (appearance wise).[/QUOTE]Such things, you should expect hits and misses. Even in other countries.

There always risk to it. But I would say the price is good for you to try a few times.

Yes the bars diverted some talents there after they reopened.

Be adventurous and it'll reward you.

[QUOTE=DBrick;2670436]I agree 100%. I've ended a long term relationship recently and only started to explore Fiwfans, sidelines and similar online options in December. From my limited experience and chitchat with the girls (no more than 20), I would say there are three types of online girls.

- A professional that used to be an FL or a bargirl but due to Covid works online.

- A full-time girl for the local market.

- Part-time girls (students, office workers) earning some extra money.

With the first type, you are basically getting the same as a bar without bar / LD overhead but without "hunting" excitement if you like it. The second type (to talk with them, you need some basic Thai) are more "Thai" beautiful. Whiter, thinner, younger, but more cock-scared / starfish. The third type was a pleasant surprise to me. Some real gems with almost genuine GF experience and exemplary skillset / stamina. Most of them are willing to repeat at my place, saving the encumbrance of commuting to their hotels. One of the indications of type three girls (in their online profiles) is that they do not work for through agencies (3619;3633;3610;3591;3634;3609;3648;3629;3591; / get the job yourself) and have their face hidden.[/QUOTE]There are also quite a few that worked overseas and returned to Thailand due to Covid.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2670452]Such things, you should expect hits and misses. Even in other countries.

There always risk to it. But I would say the price is good for you to try a few times.

Yes the bars diverted some talents there after they reopened.

Be adventurous and it'll reward you.[/QUOTE]I'll give it a couple more tries before I write it off. There are basically 2 risk factors when we're hobbying.

1. Looks.

2. Service / performance.

At least with gogo bars, massage parlors, soapy massage, and Thermae you eliminate (for the most part, some could hide fat and scars under the clothes). Then the only risk factor is performance.

Lots of people seem to vouch for FiwFans. So I'll try it a couple more times, with more due diligence next time. I really don't get the warped scales, though. Even from some of the most active reviewers. Why does everyone rate them 10/10? Does your review not get added if you add a lower score? Do you get BL for a more realistic score?

For example, Mini's [URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406raeo3ikxw1xsza[/URL] looks (cover) were probably a 6, with approx age around 35. But she's got 3 reviews saying how amazing her looks are and looks to be in her early 20's. Some people have said you have to read between the lines. But why put up reviews where they have to be cryptic at best, completely false at worst?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2670669]I'll give it a couple more tries before I write it off. There are basically 2 risk factors when we're hobbying.

1. Looks.

2. Service / performance.

At least with gogo bars, massage parlors, soapy massage, and Thermae you eliminate (for the most part, some could hide fat and scars under the clothes). Then the only risk factor is performance.

Lots of people seem to vouch for FiwFans. So I'll try it a couple more times, with more due diligence next time. I really don't get the warped scales, though. Even from some of the most active reviewers. Why does everyone rate them 10/10? Does your review not get added if you add a lower score? Do you get BL for a more realistic score?

For example, Mini's [URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406raeo3ikxw1xsza[/URL] looks (cover) were probably a 6, with approx age around 35. But she's got 3 reviews saying how amazing her looks are and looks to be in her early 20's. Some people have said you have to read between the lines. But why put up reviews where they have to be cryptic at best, completely false at worst?[/QUOTE]I notice the one reviewer who only gave her a 9/10 rating on all three criteria instead of 10/10 on two or more apparently docked her points for "no singing".

Clearly, the customers for those sites are looking for a different kind of service than I am. Hehe.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2637015]So which telegram and Line groups would you recommend?

I have been looking at fiwfans and I got some good advice from Monkeypaw about how best to tackle that site, but I'm curious to look at the telegram and Line groups.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pita123;2670442]Monkeypaw?[/QUOTE]One of the higher ranked trusted members on that site and here as well.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/profile/406raef9hkul4gdts[/URL]

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2670377]
What used to be Rainbow 4 is now Rainbow 5. You can't miss it with all the red and white lighting outside. There were some pretty Hello, girls and when I was shown inside I was pleased to see 10 girls spread across the two L-shaped stages, albeit sat on stools rather than shuffling around chrome poles. Ordinarily the girls wear skimpy bikinis but now they have to cover up, so wore French maid outfits instead.
[/QUOTE]Great report! But for the record, what is now Rainbow 5 used to be Twister (differentiated from Twister BKK, which is downstairs). Twister sold their second floor bar to the Rainbow group and opened a bar on Soi 7. Rainbow 4 is still there, where it always was on the second floor (next to Rainbow 5), but it isn't open yet. I've seen work going on there, so it might possibly open sometime.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2670669]I'll give it a couple more tries before I write it off. There are basically 2 risk factors when we're hobbying.

1. Looks.

2. Service / performance.[/QUOTE]Personally I weight attitude twice as important to looks, so a 7 looks 10 attitude grades as (7+10+10)/3 = 9 overall, where a 10 looks 7 attitude grades as (10+7+7)/3 = 8 overall.

Escort terms: [URL]https://skipthegames.com/articles/about-escorts/escort-terms-escort-sex-definitions-escort-abbreviations[/URL].

LAS:

Looks / Attitude / Service: A subjective ranking system where each criteria is separately ranked, from lowest (1) to highest (10). Examples: 2/9/8 = Unattractive, but very friendly and good sex. 10/5/4 = Model material, but a poor attitude, and mediocre sex.

LASER:

Same as above + Expense and (would or wouldn't) Repeat.

SL.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2670711]Great report! But for the record, what is now Rainbow 5 used to be Twister (differentiated from Twister BKK, which is downstairs). Twister sold their second floor bar to the Rainbow group and opened a bar on Soi 7. Rainbow 4 is still there, where it always was on the second floor (next to Rainbow 5), but it isn't open yet. I've seen work going on there, so it might possibly open sometime.[/QUOTE]Makes absolutely absolute no sense. Rainbow 5 should just sell and go away. Never popular at all.

Rainbow 4 and 2 should merge. One juggernaut instead of 2 mediocre bars.

SinfulKorean,

Mini looks hot in the pics, but pics are always extensively photo shopped. Their techniques have gotten very slick over the last few decades. The escort I booked on Smooci in Bangkok showed up, same girl but 20 years older in real life, looking disgustingly old and high mileage. Had to cancel her.

There is a huge industry in Thailand and China with low lifes doing full-time photo shopping and writing fake reviews. A lot of reviews for products and services in the US are also contracted to these fake reviewers.

Glad to have your on-location reviews.

[QUOTE=RacShack]One of the higher ranked trusted members on that site and here as well.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I think you and MonkeyPaw just instantly make the site so much more useful.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2670675]I notice the one reviewer who only gave her a 9/10 rating on all three criteria instead of 10/10 on two or more apparently docked her points for "no singing".

Clearly, the customers for those sites are looking for a different kind of service than I am. Hehe.[/QUOTE]One of the most important things about reading reviews on sites like this and others like Fiwfans is know who your poster is. Is this guy a trusted poster? Is he just a fake handle, shill, or troll? Does he only post vague information with no details that anyone could post (ie. Never names bars, girls, etc.)? Does he rate everyone is hot? If he names a girl or bar how was his experience compared to your recent experience at that bar? Better yet, meet up with guys who say they are in town and go out with them. This is by far the best way to know if the poster has similar taste in girls than you do.

[QUOTE=DBrick;2670436]I would say there are three types of online girls...

Part-time girls (students, office workers) earning some extra money... was a pleasant surprise to me. Some real gems with almost genuine GF experience and exemplary skillset / stamina. Most of them are willing to repeat at my place, saving the encumbrance of commuting to their hotels. One of the indications of type three girls (in their online profiles) is that they do not work for through agencies and have their face hidden.[/QUOTE]You solved a huge mystery for me. I was wondering why some girls hide their faces while charging a higher price, and still expect business. Why would anyone in their right might choose them over those with faces, one the same site, with no other observable difference. Now I understand, a likely part-timer.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2670712]Personally I weight attitude twice as important to looks, so a 7 looks 10 attitude grades as (7+10+10)/3 = 9 overall, where a 10 looks 7 attitude grades as (10+7+7)/3 = 8 overall.

Escort terms: [URL]https://skipthegames.com/articles/about-escorts/escort-terms-escort-sex-definitions-escort-abbreviations[/URL].

LAS:

Looks / Attitude / Service: A subjective ranking system where each criteria is separately ranked, from lowest (1) to highest (10). Examples: 2/9/8 = Unattractive, but very friendly and good sex. 10/5/4 = Model material, but a poor attitude, and mediocre sex.

LASER:

Same as above + Expense and (would or wouldn't) Repeat.

SL.[/QUOTE]It makes sense. That's why I feel like LDs help. While I'm drinking with them, I can get a feel for what their attitude will be like. Of course, that can all change after the barfine. But having indications (ex. If she just keeps asking for lady drinks over and over again) can help weed out the bad attitude ladies. It can also make the less attractive ladies (looks = 7) more attractive due to their attitude.

Days and nights are kind of blurring together. Some nights, I'm just out on a date because I want the company of a beautiful lady while eating at some of the famous sky lounges in BKK. While fucking is my main objective, I also want to experience some of the other things BKK has to offer.

[B]Recon[/B]

Even when I don't have plans to take a lady for ST or LT, I like to scan the area at night to get an idea of what the talent pool looks like and what the going rates are. Soi Cowboy seems to get things started earlier now due to the 11 PM curfew for businesses. I heard some stay open even later, but haven't verified. Kazy Kozy and Crazy House both have 2nd floors that seem to have more action. Crazy House was pretty cool where upon entering the first floor, you can look up the glass floor to the 2nd floor where the ladies are dancing. Completely nude. So you're looking directly up into their snatch, which is an amazing invitation to come up to the second floor. Crazy House's entrance is located around the corner of Kazy Kozy off soi 23.

I was actually just doing a drive by on my way to a legit massage shop [URL]https://www.rueansabai.com/[/URL] which has been my go to after long walks around town. 150 B for 1 HR foot or Thai massage. It's also a nice scenic route where you pass Soi Cowboy and a few happy ending shops. One in particular (Golden Satang) seems to be a good option. They have 2 young, cute girls who are asking for 2 k for FS. I offered 1 k plus massage fee (500 B), but they wouldn't budge so I've passed by them at least 4 times in the past week.

Once again, I passed by them and went to a couple shops down (I think it was MoNa-1) with some sexy MILFs. There was one lady I caught the name of the night before, Oi. So looking for a legit massage (300 B), I asked for Oi. She seemed happy and recognized me. She saw how hot and sweaty I was and offered me a shower. Back in the massage room, her massage was very lacking and I had to ask for a swap. Another semi attractive MILF came in and gave me a very nice massage. On the turn, she asked if I wanted anything special and I told her not today (already had plans to barfine a chick from Lollipop). I asked her how much extras would be and she said 500 for HJ, 1500 for BJ, which makes the 2 k offer at Golden Satang seem more reasonable. After the massage, I split a 100 B tip, 60 for my lady and 40 for the lady that tried in the beginning. Then went to Ruean Sabai for an HR foot massage, not really worth writing any details other than the 200 B price which includes tip.

[B]LT girl from Lollipop[/B]

Walked back through Soi Cowboy and things were picking up. Back to my hotel for a quick shower and headed over to Soi 7 for another drive by. Soi 7 is surprisingly busy with lots of customers and ladies. Ladies outnumber the customers by far. I've never been to soi 7 in my previous trips, so it's a nice surprise. Unfortunately, there's this one girl I'd seen on my first visit (when EihTooms introduced me to soi 7) whom I keep missing.

After a quick walk through, I make my way towards Lollipop. There's a very cute, young girl there. Every time she sits with me (this was my 3rd visit), fellow mongers are ogling her. I buy her a couple drinks, she gets a shot of tequila and monster, and a glass of jack and coke. Over the course of about 30 minutes, we're making out at the bar. Her friend also comes, they're roommates and I buy her a drink. Mamasan wants me to buy her a drink, a drink for another lady, a drink for a new lady that just had a baby, and a waiter that just turned 51. I just hand her 100 B to leave me alone, and also thanks for hooking up the young Thai girl I'm with. I barfine her (600 B, 4 k LT) and we head to my hotel. Performance was a bit lackluster, but we did BBFS+CIP without any hesitation. There was lots of DFK and her BBBJ wasn't too bad. But she was young and inexperienced, which I half expected.

After round 1, we rested and ordered Bonchon via FoodPanda. And after dinner, we both rested a bit, me on my computer, her on her phone. But about 15 minutes in, she started dozing off. I wanted to make sure we get at least round 2 in before bed. I was barely about to wake her up. She got me hard again with some BBBJ, mounted on top for CG with lots of DFK. Finished in K9. We both washed up and went to bed. The plan was to get one more round in when we woke up. But she got up suddenly at 7 AM and said she needed to go take some kind of exam. I didn't really push for round 3. I tipped her as a thanks for the BBFS. I probably won't repeat. But glad I tried her out.

Special thanks to EihTooms for showing a couple of us around town. I'm wondering if the BBFS was possible thanks to his intro. I've had a couple successful BBFS in the past. But it was more the exception than the rule. Hopefully, this will change. This was also why I tipped the mamasan, so she can hook it up if there are more cute BBFS ladies in the shop.

[B]Wrapping things up[/B]

In summary, I think Nana has the best selection right now. Thermae has some good bargains, too, at 4 k LT for girls I would rate as an 8 face, 9 body. 2 k-2. 5 k seems to be the standard ST rate. And 4 k-6 k seems to be the standard LT rate. The LT will drop to 4 k-5 k at around 10 PM, as these businesses are supposed to close at 11 PM. Soi 7 has a large selection, although the average looks is below what Thermae and Nana have to offer. But there are a few hidden gems. One's so hidden, I haven't seen her since that first visit.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2670993]It makes sense. That's why I feel like LDs help. While I'm drinking with them, I can get a feel for what their attitude will be like. Of course, that can all change after the barfine. But having indications (ex. If she just keeps asking for lady drinks over and over again) can help weed out the bad attitude ladies. It can also make the less attractive ladies (looks = 7) more attractive due to their attitude.[/QUOTE]Yeah I would rank attitude as the top factor for me when I'm looking to take a girl back.

There are those who want LDs as soon as they finished 1.

And there are those who wouldn't mind sitting with you for an hour with just 1 LD.

Had experienced a 9/10 who rejected anything other than deadfish straight sex with minimum contact.

To.

A 4/10,20 yr old who offered to go LT with me for 2.5 k. When she was in my room she told me I could do anything to her, treat her as a sex slave and all she wants was to make me feel good and happy. I could also keep her with me up to 24 h. But I let her go after lunch the next afternoon. She wasn't really experienced in this, even though she was very willing.

I would prefer to take the 2nd one any day, even if both cost the same.

First timer in this part of the world, getting oriented. I booked my first two nights near Patpong. I was dimly aware that it is far past its prime but figured I would start at the beginning. Hey, the museum is cool.

Turns out a red-blooded heterosexual male can still find options for a good time in Patpong. There were three or four go gos open, with the girl to guy ratio highly favorable. I settled in at the Strip 2.0 at the Silom end of PP2 where a party atmosphere was in full swing. There were a dozen cuties twerking their little butts off. Mamasan presented me a lineup of about five girls, all worthy in my opinion. I settled on the talk, dark beauty, Om. I won't go into the money I threw around in my newbie excitement, but Mamasan told me I could have boom boom with Om right there in the booth with the curtains drawn. Yeah, I paid 4400 THB to bang an Isaan beauty with people sitting just across the stage and walking by inches away.

The next night, still jet-lagged, I slept through prime time and showed up around midnight. Sometimes the tuk tuk drivers really are helpful, and one guided me to M-nine on the second level above French Kiss. M-nine is a pleasant, small speakeasy that stays open all night. It is owned and operated by the tiny and fiercely beautiful M, who keeps a stable of about five cute girls. They have a facebook page with current pictures. I took young "Bil" back to my room for ST, and she was sweet as pie.

On to Soi 11. First night here I couldn't gain any traction, but I'm old and not used to the pace.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2670868]Thank you. I think you and MonkeyPaw just instantly make the site so much more useful.[/QUOTE]From the man, the myth, the legend.

1. Ignore the number ratings.

2. Review the reviewers.

3. Learn to read code and between the lines.

4. Pic are worth 1000's.

Score was 9/10/10.

"Went up to the room and saw the hotel maid outside the hallway. She smiled. Maybe because she skipped the room? Open the door. It's so sweet. It's like a box of chocolates. My eye poP at the sexiness. Too bad I only booked 40 minutes. No time for a massage with my Olive Oil. Japanese brothers will like the geisha doll, with the make up style and all. This one is a screamer and can take big and long size. She is tight and accommodating. Menu is extensive if you still have the appetite. Yesterday was day of rest for me to recharge my battery. Today I needed a good drain. Do you know which battery is top in popularity? Thank you very much Team Madam88888. I happy to take one."

1. "Maid skipped room" means messy and dirty room.

2. "Like box of chocolates" means never know what you will get, which is highly bait and switch.

3. "eye pop and Olive Oil" means way too skinny.

4. "Geisha make up style" means too much heavy make up.

5. "Battery top in popularity" means double A, non existent tits.

6. "Team Madam88888. I happy to take one" means taking one for the team.

The online game is against the girls, the agents, agencies, other reviewers, and the admins of the sites, when money and fees are involved. It takes a shit load brains, game, and smarts to succeed.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2669941]Yes, she does tend to stand away from the other girls. She is in her late 20's, but reminds me of a young, sexy Kim Hae Soo. I highly recommend, especially at that no haggle rate.

I saw that Japanese looking girl at Thermae again last night. Man, she is popular. I saw her taken for ST 3 times in the span of a couple hours a few nights ago. That time, she quoted 6 k for LT. Last night, I got there late and she quoted me 5 k for LT, still 2. 5 k for ST. But she only allows 2 pops and no DFK. So it's a big no for me. She usually doesn't wear a mask and looks better than lots of Japanese porn stars.[/QUOTE]I took her out and she is a real trooper. I was having a hard time because after a week of nuru, soapies, freelancers, I was getting wiped out but she got the job done. She is definitely more experienced and better service than the average Thermae girl. Thanks for the recommendation.

Lots and lots of ladies, not so many guys at Nana today (Saturday). Met up with EihTooms again. Neither of us had plans to barfine, as we both punted the previous night. He showed me a couple nifty tips and tricks.

[B]Tips and Tricks[/B]

Get the BKK Fun Card. They used to charge 200 B for it. It's now free and good forever. You get 10% off food and alcohol at their restaurants like Stumble Inn, Nana beer garden, Big Dog, Oasis at Soi Cowboy, and a couple other places. It can be obtained from those places. Just ask the waitress. They have 50% off appetizers tonight, so I'll probably partake.

Many veterans probably already know this but you can walk directly from the Asok (Terminal 21) skywalk, up the ramp into the Interchange building, make a right, take the escalators down, and make an exit onto Soi 23, very close to Crazy House. This is a big help for me because I dread that walk outside in this humidity and heat. I've made this walk probably 10 times without this shortcut.

[B]Nana[/B]

There were lots of ladies there by 7 PM, with more coming around 8 PM. We sat down at the Nana beer garden for some chow while we looked at the ladies passing by. Their burger is surprisingly good! If you want a decent burger, I recommend getting the gourmet cheeseburger with a fried egg. After eating and watching ladies pass by, we decide to check out some of the gogo bars. I counted as we were getting up that there were 6 guys and 30 ladies at Lollipop.

We walked through Rainbow 4&5 and Whiskey. Rainbow had a handful of 8's, but were quoting 3 k ST and 6 k LT so I didn't feel like buying LDs. Walked over to Whiskey & Gogo and noticed about 10 ladies and 1 guy. Some of the ladies were very cute, about a 7. 5. Wouldn't normally have sat, but I honestly felt a little bad that business was so slow. We went inside, got our drinks and got a LD for each of our partners. It wasn't crazy sensual, but my girl quoted 3 k ST. I thought that was high, but she said she'd stay for 3-4 hrs and it's unlimited shots. That's actually a good bargain for me. So I got her line and would contact her later on. After about half an HR, things started to pick up at the bar (approx 9 guys including us) and I didn't feel as bad for them anymore.

We left Nana, passed by a couple BJ bars, and to Thermae. I'll definitely check out the BJ bar later. There were a couple cuties I want to try.

The pic I uploaded for reference (dunno why it's showing sideways) is the advertisement for their BKK fun card posted in front of Stumble Inn at Nana.

What a lovely girl to wake up to.

I decided to treat her and took her to Landmark's fancy coffee shop and we had coffee and pastries. I don't think she'd ever been in a place like it, judging by the number of photos and videos she took on her phone.

At one point she started a video call and surprised me by sitting next to me and inviting me to say Hello, to her sister and then her ancient looking gran, who smiled and waved at me. I got the impression G was showing me off. I managed to film a video of her chatting to her sister and sent it to my friend Owen, who speaks Thai, to find out what she was giggling about. Apparently G was telling her sister I couldn't speak Thai but she liked me because I have a nice smile. I like this girl more and more!

I spent the afternoon visiting the impressive what Po and what Arun. Outside Sanam Chai MRT station a man told me what Po was closed for prayer but luckily for me he knew a standing Buddha he could take me to nearby instead. It's a common scam to get a fare. Never believe a taxi driver if he tells you something is closed!

Unfortunately the evening was a write-off. I had hoped to go back to Nana Plaza and visit some different bars but I only visited two before I started to get an upset stomach.

I started the evening by wandering up and down soi 4 to gauge the freelance talent. I find it exciting. A bit of a lucky dip so to speak. But I didn't see one that I wanted to pursue. I saw an old gent sheepishly following a very tall ladyboy down an alley.

Lollipop in Nana Plaza was my first choice of bar for the night. The younger girls were lavishing attention on a silver fox who a waitress told me was a regular and often splashed out on multiple lady-drinks. The waitress looked like the actress Lucy Lui and was half Filipino. She asked me for a ladydrink but the price is 195 so I politely declined and gave her a small tip as a gesture when I paid my bill.

I went up the stairs alongside Lollipop and was tempted in to Random by some pretty girls outside. And hallelujah, there were ten girls dancing on stage. They weren't wearing bikinis but their outfits were sexy and at least I finally had something to look at. It was like the old days! I was tempted by a fair-haired girl in a sexy red outfit but a man sat nearby beat me to it. The other outstanding girl was tall with very dark, Amazonian skin and long pigtails. But she looked bored which put me off.

I would have invited a girl down from the stage but I felt ill. Earlier in the day I had lunch at a nice restaurant overlooking the Chao Phraya but I knew my tom yam soup disagreed with me when my stomach started growling shortly after.

I went back to my room and got a video call from my friend Owen. He's a veteran of many Thailand trips and recommended buying either a bottle of white rabbit or some charcoal pills from a pharmacy. When we finished chatting I went straight down to the little pharmacy opposite Nana Plaza and bought both.

Next day I felt much better and enjoyed a day trip to Ayutthaya. It's about an hour away from Bangkok by train (to get there go to Bang Sue station) and is extremely impressive if you like your ancient crumbling ruins.

I got back to my hotel at 7 pm, had a much-needed shower and ate at a restaurant on soi 4.

My plan tonight was simple. I wanted to bar-fine a sexy girl from Nana Plaza as soon as possible to give myself time to fuck another girl later. I wanted to make up for the girl-free night the night before.

But it ended up being another bad experience.

I went to Witchcraft on the ground floor and was swarmed by five eager young girls. I bought a drink for a really cute 18 year old girl who had a lively personality and decided to bar-fine her. No messing around! Normally I like to enjoy a night out visiting lots of bars but I was on a mission tonight. She quoted 3000 baht short-time, like every girl I've spoken to at Nana Plaza, but she accepted my 2000 + 500 counter-offer. Off we went to my hotel.

In my room she noticed I had a puzzle book, which I always bring with me on my travels to while away time at airports. She started a wordsearch, so I lay next to her on the bed and we did the puzzle together. I dropped subtle hints we could shower but all she wanted to do was play puzzles! I sensed I had bar-fined another girl fresh to the business, so I didn't rush her.

But then she said 'time up, I go now'! I could see she was nervous to hear my reaction.

'But we only play puzzles' I said with a smile.

There was an awkward silence before I decided to do the right thing. 'If you want to go, you can go' I said. Some people see these girls only as prostitutes but I see the person too, and this girl. Only 18 - was clearly not ready for the bargirl lifestyle. I will never force a girl in to having sex with me.

Suddenly there was a transformation in her demeanour. She visibly relaxed and started showing me cute photos of animals on her Facebook page. She was laughing and enjoying herself. After 45 minutes she got up, put her shoes on and said 'I go now'. We hugged at the door and she disappeared in to the night. Absolutely nothing had happened for about two and a half hours except puzzles and animal memes!

I've replayed the way events unfolded in my head a number of times and I'm keen to hear your opinions.

Some will say I overpaid because I effectively wrote off the 600 baht bar-fine. The way I saw it, she stayed in my room for two hours and despite the fact we didn't have sex, I enjoyed our time together. Her chunk of the bar-fine I paid would compensate her for drinks she missed out on by being with me.

But others would say I underpaid. When we bar-fine girls we do not have a legally binding contact to have sex with them. We're paying them for their time and she stayed in my room for over two hours. I'm sure some of you will think I should have paid the 2000 we agreed in the bar.

The fact the girl happily left without asking for money suggests to me I did the right thing.

It was 10.30 and I wasn't having a second girl-free night in a row. I rushed down to soi 4 and had the familiar adrenaline rush I get when I know I'm about to meet a girl on the street I'll be fucking ten minutes later. I get a kick out of street action.

The younger girls usually hang out at the entrance to Nana Hotel. Ladyboys linger on the opposite side of the road, directly in front of Nana Plaza. I turned right out of Nana Hotel and walked a few hundred meters up the road but only saw older girls and a pretty ladyboy sat on a motorbike. I crossed the road and walked back towards Sukhumvit. There are a few promising looking massage places on this stretch but I didn't have time for that.

Just before I reached Nana Plaza I saw my girl. She had an exquisite face and was wearing an elegant floral dress on. I'd guess she was 30 but she was easily pretty enough to be treading the stages of the gogo bars. She was probably the most beautiful freelancer I've seen.

I said Hello, and after a brief chat asked her how much. 1500 for short-time was the reply. She quickly accepted my offer of 1000 plus tip and we walked hand-in-hand back to my room.

The sex was great. I got rock hard just by kissing her and it was a passionate encounter. She rode me to a climax, the bright lights of Bangkok glimmering through the window.

A good ending to frustrating few days.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2670711]Great report! But for the record, what is now Rainbow 5 used to be Twister (differentiated from Twister BKK, which is downstairs). Twister sold their second floor bar to the Rainbow group and opened a bar on Soi 7. Rainbow 4 is still there, where it always was on the second floor (next to Rainbow 5)[/QUOTE]Actually, SirLancelot is correct. That large double space used to be Rainbow 4, before moving to current spot against back wall by staircase. Twister took over the space then. Now, it is back to Rainbow group as #5. Not sure why they didn't recycle the lower numbers, I. E. 1, 2, 3.

And, before all the go-go bars, it was the famous Woodstock Bar, where I met a few insightful and helpful expats, introducing me to LOS nitelife.

Seeko.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2671140]Actually, SirLancelot is correct. That large double space used to be Rainbow 4, before moving to current spot against back wall by staircase. Twister took over the space then. Now, it is back to Rainbow group as #5. Not sure why they didn't recycle the lower numbers, I. E. 1, 2, 3.

And, before all the go-go bars, it was the famous Woodstock Bar, where I met a few insightful and helpful expats, introducing me to LOS nitelife.[/QUOTE]Ha, I bet I met you back then: the good old days of Stickman and the old Sanuk forum, the beer bars down by the tracks, the Russian girls at the Grace, 40 baht to the dollar, ah memories, memories. Back then, you could even eat at Yong Lee (is it still there?

Things didn't pan out with the girl from Whiskey gogo bar who said she'd meet up before work. Didn't hear back until she said she'd have to go in and asked if I could come in and barfine her. I declined.

Instead, I decided to check out Wood bar on Soi 7/1 again. I took a mild liking to Tata. She was attractive enough with her short hair. There was another girl I actually wanted to see, Ee. But she'd already left for the day. Tata did a great job. She wanted to upsell me on some CFS, but I just came for the BJ so declined her 1 k offer. Price was 700.

The BBBJ shop is much better than what I remember from my previous trip. The ladies were much better looking. I'd consider Tata a 6. 5-7 and Ee a 7-7. 5. I'd definitely consider Wood Bar a decent option in case of emergencies.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2671140]Actually, SirLancelot is correct. That large double space used to be Rainbow 4, before moving to current spot against back wall by staircase. Twister took over the space then. Now, it is back to Rainbow group as #5. ....[/QUOTE]Twister on the second floor is owned by Rainbow group. Originally this is the location of Rainbow 4. Rainbow 4 was raided for underage girls. They moved Rainbow 4 overnight. Rainbow 4 was briefly named Rainbow 5 at one point. The place is switched with a ladyboy bar. The business wasn't good so they replaced it with Twister. Maybe they change name because they want to avoid the confusion with Twister BBK on the first floor. The Twister BBK owner bought the bar from Bangkok Bunnies and rename it.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2670995]Special thanks to EihTooms for showing a couple of us around town. I'm wondering if the BBFS was possible thanks to his intro. I've had a couple successful BBFS in the past. But it was more the exception than the rule. Hopefully, this will change. This was also why I tipped the mamasan, so she can hook it up if there are more cute BBFS ladies in the shop.

[B]Wrapping things up[/B]

In summary, I think Nana has the best selection right now. Thermae has some good bargains, too, at 4 k LT for girls I would rate as an 8 face, 9 body. 2 k-2. 5 k seems to be the standard ST rate. And 4 k-6 k seems to be the standard LT rate. The LT will drop to 4 k-5 k at around 10 PM, as these businesses are supposed to close at 11 PM. Soi 7 has a large selection, although the average looks is below what Thermae and Nana have to offer. But there are a few hidden gems. One's so hidden, I haven't seen her since that first visit.[/QUOTE]Hey, SinfullyKorean, it was fun exploring around town with you. I hope our island hopping friend is doing well. I will employ your "ask how much on a night when you're probably not taking a girl anyway, walk away, then hit her up again on a night when you are interested in taking a girl" tip and trick for reducing those asking prices at Thermae and such, if I have properly characterized it. If not, let me know. Good idea. As you know, I am more interested in adding a particular service that isn't usually on the menu rather than reducing the asking prices. And on that mission, I find hitting them with what I would want in exchange for their quote or near their asking price right away upfront when I am ready to "buy" works best for me. But no reason not to employ both approaches if the timing is right!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2671207]Things didn't pan out with the girl from Whiskey gogo bar who said she'd meet up before work. Didn't hear back until she said she'd have to go in and asked if I could come in and barfine her. I declined.

Instead, I decided to check out Wood bar on Soi 7/1 again. I took a mild liking to Tata. She was attractive enough with her short hair. There was another girl I actually wanted to see, Ee. But she'd already left for the day. Tata did a great job. She wanted to upsell me on some CFS, but I just came for the BJ so declined her 1 k offer. Price was 700.

The BBBJ shop is much better than what I remember from my previous trip. The ladies were much better looking. I'd consider Tata a 6. 5-7 and Ee a 7-7. 5. I'd definitely consider Wood Bar a decent option in case of emergencies.[/QUOTE]For the original Dr. BJ's Salon old-timers out there, Ee is the tall, siliconed, more attractive than most others Super Star girl who was working there up until about 6 years ago. She had definitely banked a ton of baht after being the number one go-to girl there for a couple of years. But, six years and a major Covid Pandemic hit later, she's back for now. Personally, I always thought she stopped about 2 long, slow finishing up strokes too soon to be considered a real Star at the service. And she would improve on that if I mentioned it upfront before she began. But if I didn't mention it upfront, she'd "forget. " Anyway, SK, I am looking forward to whatever you find out about her these days. I might head over there to re-visit her again myself soon.

I popped back into Lollipop last night, sat with the little one that you saw sitting with me that first night, bought her a drink to see if sitting next to her again, placing my hand on her leg and so on would make me feel inspired to take her since the advertising had been so promising. But, no. I just wasn't feeling it.

Went upstairs to Rainbow 5. There were fewer girls there this time but still several very cute ones. Maybe 4 customers in the place at about 9 PM. I was getting a big smile from a lovely one sitting next to the stage. So, after a bit of joking and fun with the server and mamasan who recognized me from many times before, I gestured to buy her a LD and she acted like she couldn't believe I wanted to buy her one. Very excited and happy about it. We adjourned to a quieter side booth. She seemed thrilled that I could speak some general Thai language and phrases, being able to chit chat about our names, where we're from and so on in Thai. However, after the LD arrived, she was all about checking her Line messages and whatever else on her phone, no cuddling, no response to my placing a hand on her leg, whatever. After about 5 minutes of that, I told her she was so busy on her phone, I'm going. I paid the check bin, walked out and made a point to tell the mamasan that girl is too busy on her phone, bye.

As usual after I've done something like that in response to crap behavior or service with a girl, I think how lucky the next customer who chooses that girl is going to be! You're welcome, whoever that guy was. LOL.

Rode my motorbike over to Soi 7. Made the horseshoe cruise through the bars, fending of all the usual grasping and grabbing, girls trying to entice, well, force me to sit with them for an LD and more. Then a slim, light skin, cute one I'd seen in the line up at Thermae a few times in the past caught my eye and my attention. I decided to sit at her bar for a moment. Right away there was some cuddling and neck sniff-kissing with her. So I asked if she barfined. Yes.

She quoted 3,000 for ST and she doesn't like LT. Since she mentioned how much without my asking, I went for it too; kissing on our lips with tongues touching? Yes. Shaved here (pointing slightly to her pussy), like me to kiss kiss there? Yes. Boom boom no condom, ok mai? Major hesitation, non-committal. But she was ok for BBBJ+CIM. Then I bought her an LD while we both thought about it a little more. By the end of that one LD, her answer to my boom-boom no condom question was Yes and she was fine with 2,500 baht ST. Barfine was 600. Off we went back to my room.

Things went well, not great. I really do prefer Long Times for their lack of time pressure. It is a much more relaxed and therefore spontaneous experience for me, which works best for me these days. Almost immediately after entering my room she asked if I have Line and that she would be very happy to spend her holiday nights with me, no barfine, no LDs and she'll stay all night.

There has been a lot of discussion in the Pattaya Reports forum lately about the value or not of buying LadyDrinks for bargirls. There always seems to be more interesting P4 P philosophy discussions in that forum vs this one. But I'm not a Pattaya guy really so I can't speak from much experience over in that forum. Maybe Pattaya is totally different in certain ways. I much prefer Bangkok. Of course, I live in Bangkok, so that's one reason.

Anyway, I feel I learned quite a bit from the 2-3 LD purchases I made just last night; At the first bar stop I learned a girl whose promotion to me was very nice just wasn't doing it for me chemistry-wise while we shared a drink for 15 minutes or so. At the second bar stop I learned a lovely girl who came on with a big, inviting smile had no concept of service, behavior or attitude in exchange for money. My buying her an LD prompted her to do nothing but play on her phone. I have no doubt from past experience that if I'd just barfined and taken her based on my attraction to her and her big, inviting smile to me, there is no way any amount of money offered would have changed her attitude towards me or improved service to anything of value for me in the room.

And at my third bar stop that one 200 baht LD purchase converted a no answer, non-committal upfront response to my boom boom no condom question into a Yes and, in my judgement, her hardline 3,000 baht ST quote into a 2,500 baht agreement. And, once in the room, she's put a no barfine, no LD purchase Long Time with her on the table for me to enjoy on her days off. Which, from what I understand, can be just about any night I want. For me, those LD purchases last night were 600 baht well spent.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2671168]Ha, I bet I met you back then: the good old days of Stickman and the old Sanuk forum, the beer bars down by the tracks, the Russian girls at the Grace, 40 baht to the dollar, ah memories, memories. Back then, you could even eat at Yong Lee (is it still there?[/QUOTE]Oh man, those were the days. So much fun.

Went to Crazy house for the first time since Soi Cowboy reopened with 1 friend. We were there about 15 minutes when he motions for a girl that is dancing on the stage. She acknowledged him and basically said when she is done her few minutes on the stage she will be over.

When she appears he agrees to a Lady Drink and within seconds appears the Tequila and Coke which is 360 baht and of course 2 Lady Drinks. He points at it and says "I said you can have 1 drink". As the waitress is still there she takes away 1 of the drinks and corrects the bar tab to 1 lady drink. No big deal, everyone was smiling and all was OK.

I do the same to another girl about 15 minutes later. She comes over a few minutes later and asks for 2 lady Drinks. I say 1 is enough for now. She says 2 lady drinks!. I say yes I heard you the first time but 1 lady drink is a good starting point. She grabs the menu and points to the Tequila and Coke = $360. I just start shaking my head and say 1 drink. In a puff and smoke she takes off. I watched her for the next hour or so and she did not get 1 lady drink in that time.

I had a quick look around and possibly about half the lady drinks sitting on the tables were the infamous Tequila and Coke = 2 lady drinks. I guess that is the default BS at Crazy House.

I will probably visit Crazy House annually, like I have been doing. Crazy House is OK but it isn't worth 360 to drink with a girl, that is just taking the piss!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2671490]Went to Crazy house for the first time since Soi Cowboy reopened with 1 friend. We were there about 15 minutes when he motions for a girl that is dancing on the stage. She acknowledged him and basically said when she is done her few minutes on the stage she will be over.

When she appears he agrees to a Lady Drink and within seconds appears the Tequila and Coke which is 360 baht and of course 2 Lady Drinks. He points at it and says "I said you can have 1 drink". As the waitress is still there she takes away 1 of the drinks and corrects the bar tab to 1 lady drink. No big deal, everyone was smiling and all was OK.

I do the same to another girl about 15 minutes later. She comes over a few minutes later and asks for 2 lady Drinks. I say 1 is enough for now. She says 2 lady drinks!. I say yes I heard you the first time but 1 lady drink is a good starting point. She grabs the menu and points to the Tequila and Coke = $360. I just start shaking my head and say 1 drink. In a puff and smoke she takes off. I watched her for the next hour or so and she did not get 1 lady drink in that time.[/QUOTE]Was there, mamasan asked for a drink. I ordered 1 for her. Order sheet came and wrote 2 LDs! Told mamasan and called the waitress, corrected it. Everyone smiled and things are fine again.

Suspect its the kind of trick they often pull on customers there. I have the habit of always checking my order sheets right after my order came.

On my previous trips to Bangkok I've enjoyed visiting the massage parlours in the afternoon. Nataree was my favourite. Some seriously pretty girls in there. With Annie's deserving a mention for the levels of service provided.

But of course at the moment they're closed, so I had to resort to being a tourist. I booked a private cab from my hotel and went to visit the Damnoen Saduak floating market and then early evening took a lift up to the 74th floor of the Mahanakhon Tower, the tallest building in Thailand. The views were fantastic.

I wanted to visit Soi Cowboy in the evening. It was Thursday night so I expected the place to be buzzing.

I walked there from Nana, along Sukhumvit and just past Asok on the left is the famous strip. Normally when you turn on to the road you're greeted by a blaze of neon, like a mini Las Vegas, and dozens of gorgeous Hello, girls stand outside every bar. But tonight it looked darker and less exciting, just a series of outside beer bars.

I slowly walked down the street and wasn't particularly impressed. The talent levels were akin to walking through a beer bar complex in Pattaya. There were a few nice girls of course but normally when you walk down soi Cowboy you fall in love with about 15 girls in the space of three minutes!

I bar-fined my first ever girl in Asia from Dollhouse and one of the cutest I've ever slept with from Shark. Dollhouse was open but looked sleepy and Shark was closed.

Often the prettiest girls can be found in Baccara and there were two gorgeous Hello, girls sat there on stools. I walked inside. Downstairs was eerily empty but I was shown upstairs where I was delighted to see 15 girls dancing on the square stage.

I grabbed a stool and ordered a beer, which cost a ridiculous 190 baht. The ladydrinks are steep too, costing an eye-watering 230 baht. I don't mind paying a premium for drinks if I'm getting the premium experience but Baccara is simply a beer bar masquerading as a gogo bar at the moment.

However, I enjoyed watching the girls. They were nowhere near the standard of the young, pretty girls that usually crowd the stage here, but a few were nice. It's refreshing to be able to visit a gogo bar and have some kind of show to watch in these covid times.

'Where you from?' asked a chubby waitress before adding 'mind if I sit?' I was polite but distant, focusing my attention on the stage, and eventually she took the hint and left.

Five minutes later another waitress sat next to me. 'Where you from?' she asked. I might take a printout of FAQs with me to gogo bars in future.

When I left I noticed that the two stunners were still sat outside, their sole job no doubt to coax customers inside. To be fair, it worked on me!

I walked back down the street. Less bars were open than Nana. Moonshine, Dollhouse, Suzi Wongs, Tilac, Kozy, Country Road and Penny Black were all open, mainly with girls sat out front.

I've never been to Suzy Wongs, despite it being a famous name (isn't this the bar with the infamous 'naughty boys corner' There were some nice looking girls so I grabbed a stool and surveyed the talent. There was a 9/10 sat nearby but she looked bored and never met my gaze.

I was joined by my third Miaow of the trip, who was nice to talk to and refreshingly didn't harass me for a ladydrink. I asked her how much one cost and she told me 220 baht (at least my Chang only cost 90 in this bar). I told her they're too expensive but said I was enjoying talking to her so I would tip her instead.

A confident blond girl walked over and said '1 + 1', indicating I should buy both her and Miaow a drink. When she saw my unenthusiastic response, she took my right hand and tried to place it inside her bra. That's a tactic I've never seen before.

I gave my feline friend Miaow a tip and intended to leave soi Cowboy. The prices are expensive, the pressure for ladydrinks annoying and the quality of girls is average.

But as I walked towards the exit, a girl caught my eye.

She was sat outside Penny Black and she had a distinctive pale-skinned appearance with Japanese eyes and a Posh Spice haircut. I sat down next to her and immediately offered her a ladydrink. Her name was Aui, she was 24 and from a town on the Cambodia border. She also spoke excellent English and I really enjoyed chatting to her. She had an intelligence and inquisitiveness about her.

I really liked this girl. She was quirky and unique. But when I asked about her bar-fine I had the rug pulled from under my feet. She told me she didn't do barfines.

I finished my drink, thanked her for an enjoyable chat and left soi Cowboy, cursing what might have been.

My plan was to walk back to soi 7 and see if I could pick up a nice looker there, or maybe even G again.

On Sukhumvit there were lots of freelancers. I got propositioned by a masculine looking ladyboy outside Asok and another with pink hair and Jessica Rabbit breasts a little further on. I saw a beautiful girl with blond hair and the whitest teeth I've ever seen. She told me she was Filipino but when I enquired about prices she asked for 2500 short time! I walked away but was tempted to ask who does her dentistry.

'I give free massage' she called after me.

I should think so for that price!

I turned on to soi 7 and walked in to the beer bar complex. There were plenty of pretty girls but I decided I wanted to take G again. I went to her bar but she wasn't there. 'She not in work today' said another girl, which is usually bar-speak for barfined.

It was 10.15 and I couldn't be bothered going to Nana Plaza. Once again time was against me and I only had 45 minutes to find a girl. This 11 pm closing time is a killer.

I decided there was only one thing for it. To trawl soi 4 for a quickie.

There were plenty of girls but generally older. I was tempted by an unusual looking girl with curly hair but on closer examination she wasn't my type. Then I saw a girl I recognised. Or rather she recognised me as I've passed her several times on my recces up and down soi 4. She had a great figure, a great smile and gave me positive vibes she'd perform well in the bedroom. She was obviously keen for my business because she quoted just 1000 baht.

Her name was Pin and she was mid thirties. She kissed me passionately in my room and when she undressed she had big fake tits and bullet-like nipples.

'These fake' she said to me, stating the obvious, and invited me to feel them. I squeezed them. They were fake.

We lay on the bed and she rubbed her tits up and down my chest, something I love. She gave me an amazing blowjob, licking and teasing me, before climbing an top of me and riding me as I sucked her nipples. I leaned upright and we kissed before flipping her on to her back and banging her hard.

You 'ting tong' she said as I asked her to fuck me reverse cowgirl, a position I don't do often but enjoy. I just lay back and got hypnotised by her bouncing arse.

Her blowjob skills impressed me at the start of the session so I took my condom off and she sucked me to a shuddering climax, swallowing every last drop.

A night that could have been a letdown after my soi Cowboy frustrations ended up delivering some great sex.

This was my last night of four in Bangkok and overall I was disappointed. I'm the biggest fan of gogos in the world but Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy in these covid times were tame. Fewer girls, less quality, high prices, crazy ladydrink pressure and some girls didn't even go with customers. They were beer bars charging inflated prices.

Despite all that, I enjoyed going to them and could have happily bar-fined a number of girls. Yes there are significantly fewer girls than we're used to but there are significantly fewer customers too.

The beer bar complex on soi 7 was excellent and I enjoyed my missions up and down soi 4 looking for a freelancer. It's a shame I had to resort to street action but the gogos forced my hand.

I look forward to returning to Bangkok when covid is over, when Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy are back to their former glories and when the soapies are back open.

This diary will continue on the Chiang Mai page. I have also filmed video diaries for this trip on my friends Youtube page. If you're interested, search for 'Eyes of Owen'.

I feel like I've found the perfect balance between low prices and GFE sessions. And that's FiwFans.

After my not so great experience last time, I was "scolded" by another member who had given me advice on how to properly search for a good provider on Fiw. Mainly, to read through the reviews from top posters, find girls with a decent number and that are highly rated, and make sure there aren't any disparaging comments when reading between the lines.

[B]Difficulties on fly first try[/B]

My first session was bad because I didn't do this. But trying to search this way was very cumbersome. Lots of the top reviewers will review girls in a specific area, probably close to where they live. I didn't feel like taking a 30-40 minute (each way) motorbike ride to and from the lady's location. I also found lots of ads were expired. So I just found a provider that was relatively close (5 min via motorbike) and 3 reviews.

After posting my disappointing experience, an ISG veteran reached out and persisted I give it another try. This time, really heed his advice on visiting a frequent reviewer's suggested girls.

[B]FiwFans redemption[/B]

So following Breadman's advice, I sat back down in front of my computer and started going through frequent reviewers posts. The first few had reviews that were over 30 minutes away (via motorbike).

I finally found a decent girl (snow snow) reviewed by Zun Jin Woo [URL]https://fiwfans.com/profile/406rad2uzkpnlpe64[/URL] who's 8th on the review board list with 56 reviews. Unfortunately, booker for snow snow wasn't responding. I guessed that they might have other providers in that same area or even building. I clicked on the Agency (Thai Model Club [URL]https://fiwfans.com/agency/TM_ThaiModelClub[/URL]) to check who else was available.

Taya [URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rad4t7krkkytz5[/URL] caught my attention. I stopped counting how many reviews she had after 50. Most were very good, with a review from Zun Jin Woo, too. So I booked her. The motorbike ride took about 15 minutes. I was going all in on this session and got 90 minutes for 1800 B, 2 shots. Location was near the BTS Sala Daeng station.

I was asked to wait in the hotel lobby and a description of what I was wearing. Then, I was told to go to the elevator so the girl can come get me, with a couple pictures sent for direction. I was very happy when the elevator door opened. She had an amazing, petite body with porcelain white skin. I got in the elevator and she grabbed my hand. She took me to her room (an upscale hotel) where we said our Hi's, undressed and showered. There was a good amount of DFK and BBBJ+BLS in the shower. This didn't feel much different from the Korean AAMP visits I frequented back in the states. After giving me a good wash, including B2 B on my back while reaching around and under to clean my shift, I dried off and lied on the bed while she finished.

She came back and got on top for some sensual DFK. This girl definitely knows what she's doing. Moved down for nipple sucking and BBBJ while kissing down to my knees. After a while, I asked for 69 where she tasted very clean. From there, she reaches over for the cover, applies gel and mounts me RCG. After pounding for few minutes, she arches her back, guides my hands to her rock hard Cs, and grabs her ankles as I'm pounding from below. She turns around for more CG. She really seems to enjoy me grabbing her breasts. She guides my hand there every chance she gets. As I'm getting close, I have her lie down on the bed for closed mish, my favorite finishing position for round 1. As I look into her cute almond eyes, and she staring back at me, we're making out, she's grinding away with moans of satisfaction. That sends me over the edge and I finish round 1. She gets up to clean me up and motions me to the shower for a quick wash before she starts a very light massage.

I usually don't like soft massages, but that's not what I was here for anyways. And it was a good way to fill the time til I was ready for round 2 as her English was almost non-existent. It actually felt really nice, as she sat her bare ass on my back. I could feel her raw pussy as she was moving up and down to massage me. I felt really comfortable and started dozing off. After about 30 minutes of massage, she started round 2 with more DFK and BBBJ. She applied the cover and mounted CG this time. Again, guiding my hands to her breasts. She moved to arch her back and I could get a better view of my dick going in and out of her. I brought her in close so I could hold her tight and feel her breasts up against my chest as I thrust from under her. She sat up and pulled me up with her for lotus position. When I was ready to pop, I motioned for doggy. She reaches over while I'm fucking her doggy and again, guides my hand to her breasts. It doesn't take me long to finish round 2.

At this point, about an HR has passed. Instead of hurrying me out the door, she gives me another brief shower and massages me for another 30 minutes, where I start to doze off again.

[B]Summary[/B]

Definitely happy I gave FiwFans another try. I was planning on thermae tomorrow, but there's a good chance I'll just go to FiwFans instead. At about 1000-1200 B for 1 pop, it really can't be beat if you can find the right girl.

Once again, thank you Breadman and RacShack for insisting FiwFans can be good. I can definitely see myself using FiwFans on a regular basis as I stay here longer and longer. It reminds me of Brazil's clinicas in terms of quality and value. But with more privacy and more upscale.

[QUOTE=FunQuest;2671069]I took her out and she is a real trooper. I was having a hard time because after a week of nuru, soapies, freelancers, I was getting wiped out but she got the job done. She is definitely more experienced and better service than the average Thermae girl. Thanks for the recommendation.[/QUOTE]Haha that's awesome! Glad she pleased you, too. I think she deserves honorable mentions, not just for her no haggle pricing, but her enthusiastic service and performance, too.

I watched the new Batman movie last night and couldn't shake her resemblance to Selina.

Also, someone mentioned a thermae video on YT. Yes, I did see her in that video on that same spot near the bar standing by herself.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2671490]Went to Crazy house for the first time since Soi Cowboy reopened with 1 friend. We were there about 15 minutes when he motions for a girl that is dancing on the stage. She acknowledged him and basically said when she is done her few minutes on the stage she will be over.

When she appears he agrees to a Lady Drink and within seconds appears the Tequila and Coke which is 360 baht and of course 2 Lady Drinks. He points at it and says "I said you can have 1 drink". As the waitress is still there she takes away 1 of the drinks and corrects the bar tab to 1 lady drink. No big deal, everyone was smiling and all was OK.

I do the same to another girl about 15 minutes later. She comes over a few minutes later and asks for 2 lady Drinks. I say 1 is enough for now. She says 2 lady drinks!. I say yes I heard you the first time but 1 lady drink is a good starting point. She grabs the menu and points to the Tequila and Coke = $360. I just start shaking my head and say 1 drink. In a puff and smoke she takes off. I watched her for the next hour or so and she did not get 1 lady drink in that time.

I had a quick look around and possibly about half the lady drinks sitting on the tables were the infamous Tequila and Coke = 2 lady drinks. I guess that is the default BS at Crazy House.

I will probably visit Crazy House annually, like I have been doing. Crazy House is OK but it isn't worth 360 to drink with a girl, that is just taking the piss![/QUOTE]Yes, Crazy House was always a big offender on that scam. Girls are pulling that scam in other bars around town now too. Or trying to. I've caught them trying to do it at Kazy Kozy. I mentioned it in a report a while back and that I left the bar and the lady I knew well from pre Covid days who tried to pull it on me and told the mamasan why I was leaving after only one drink and did not take the girl.

In the past few weeks I've had it tried at Random Bar and Lollipop Bar in Nana Plaza and a couple of Soi 7 bars whose names I don't remember.

You and your friend definitely did the right thing by holding steady on No I Said One Drink For Now and making sure the server took one of those drinks back. Thanks.

For me, a girl merely attempting to pull that scam on me is enough for me to know she'd try to pull a scam in the room. I waved off a looker in Random Bar Nana Plaza and changed my mind about buying her a drink after I invited her to sit with me for that reason.

I am willing to give the girl a break if she just asks me if getting a "Tequila and Coke" is ok. As far as I know she might be under pressure by the bar owners to begin every new customer drink order that way. Then she has done her part and I will do my part by saying no just one drink for now.

But if she doesn't ask me if that's ok and just tells the server or as in your case she tries to argue the point, I'm done with her and possibly the whole bar for the night, week, month or longer. And I tend to mention that and why to the mamasan on the way out.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2671140]Actually, SirLancelot is correct. That large double space used to be Rainbow 4, before moving to current spot against back wall by staircase. Twister took over the space then. Now, it is back to Rainbow group as #5. Not sure why they didn't recycle the lower numbers, I. E. 1, 2, 3.

And, before all the go-go bars, it was the famous Woodstock Bar, where I met a few insightful and helpful expats, introducing me to LOS nitelife.

Seeko.[/QUOTE]True! I forgot about the the pre-Twister days! Time is not linear, but circular, eh?

I don't know if this is the right place to ask. I am coming to Thailand in 2 weeks. I have a new phone and want to set up my LINE account to it from my old phone. Several years ago I did it once before when I transferred from an older phone to the old phone. I was successful in transferring the account but could not transfer the messages and chats with my contacts. Some of the contacts could not recognize me without chat history.

Can someone walk me through or is there a website in English to help me? Or should I bring both phones to Bangkok and go the mall and ask for help?

Thank you in advance.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2671860]I have a new phone and want to set up my LINE account to it from my old phone.
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Can someone walk me through or is there a website in English to help me?
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Funman13.[/QUOTE]Nowadays, most chat apps have online / cloud backup functionality, along with email registration / linking.

The first process allows restoration and / or transfer of chat history between mobile devices.

The second procedure ensures that you will still have access to your chat account, if and when you lose your phone, or the SIM card expires.

To answer your question: first of all, update your LINE app to latest version. Then, register your email, preferably Gmail (under Settings-Account). Next, back up your chat history (under Settings-Chats-Back Up and Restore). Install LINE on new mobile. Login to new LINE with linked email. Confirm migration, which will disable LINE on previous phone.

This process is almost same for WA & WC. For proof of concept, my LINE history goes back to 2014, WeChat to 2015, and WhatsApp to 2016, and I've upgraded smartphone every 2 years since.

For those with dual-SIM capable mobiles, I recommend activating dual messenger / apps function, so you can have 2 installations of same chat apps, which allows you to separate normal / home and p4 p / travel phone numbers, without having to carry 2 devices.

Seeko.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2671168]Ha, I bet I met you back then: the good old days of Stickman and the old Sanuk forum, the beer bars down by the tracks, the Russian girls at the Grace, 40 baht to the dollar, ah memories, memories. Back then, you could even eat at Yong Lee (is it still there?[/QUOTE]Maybe. I'm not so sure, as my memory has been failing as years wear on. Sigh.

Yes, Yong Lee is still open. The old thin frail guy finally passed on. A decent place for quality roast duck and curry frog legs.

I do remember the shacks under the expressway, infamous Clinton Plaza (Sofitel now), Soi 10 beer bars (replaced by Chuvit Garden, an oasis amongst this concrete jungle, soon to be another high-rise tower), Siam Hotel Coffee Shop on Petchaburi, and Makkasan streetwalkers on back side.

Too bad that CM2 & Nana Disco changed format, and Climax had shutdown. ND was an easy hunting ground for independent FLs before Nana Plaza closes, and then, for desperate gogo dancers hoping to catch a punter before calling the night or rather morning. Nowadays, they just stream out quick and onto taxi / bus without a glance at any potential monger on the sidewalk.

We really do need an after-hour playground with FLs and for BGs. (I've been pushing the head honcho at Thermae to open later, but he doesn't seem to have any pull left at Lumphini.).

Seeko.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2671893]Nowadays, most chat apps have online / cloud backup functionality, along with email registration / linking.

The first process allows restoration and / or transfer of chat history between mobile devices.

The second procedure ensures that you will still have access to your chat account, if and when you lose your phone, or the SIM card expires.

To answer your question: first of all, update your LINE app to latest version. Then, register your email, preferably Gmail (under Settings-Account). Next, back up your chat history (under Settings-Chats-Back Up and Restore). Install LINE on new mobile. Login to new LINE with linked email. Confirm migration, which will disable LINE on previous phone.

This process is almost same for WA & WC. For proof of concept, my LINE history goes back to 2014, WeChat to 2015, and WhatsApp to 2016, and I've upgraded smartphone every 2 years since..[/QUOTE]Hey,

Thanks. I don't recall seeing that Chats-Back Up and Restore option in Line Settings the last time I changed phones and transferred my Line account. But that has been a few years.

Thanks Seeko. I'm going to do it tonight.

Funman13.

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2672455]This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.[/QUOTE]I will have to go there and ask if you casually offered your P4P date any money at all at the end of that first date and fuck; for travel, taxi fare, to buy her lunch at work the next day, anything?

The fact that she didn't indicate upfront that she expected some kind of money gift for the time and effort she made to meet you or didn't expect something slipped into her hand at your goodbye or didn't raise the issue of it the next day might only mean she was too shy to broach the subject or too worried about losing face if your reaction to the idea of giving her money for her time, effort and fuck (or not, on the first date) was negative.

I suppose some of what I'm talking about depends on how wide the disparity is between your ages and financial conditions. If you are both in your early 20's, or both much older than that but she has a great job, a car, her own very nice condo and so on, you offering her money for the date and fuck might not be much of a consideration. Yet.

But if you are 50, she is 25, you're staying in a luxury hotel or condo, she works at a coffee shop and shares a single 4500 baht apartment with two other girls, well, you can do the math on that one. She likely felt very much that your not offering and insisting on some money for her time, effort and especially a fuck to be with you was in Thai terms "ungentlemanly" behavior.

This is not like we're meeting peers working at an office back home and both of us going out for some food, drink and a casual fuck, no strings, no harm, no foul, see you next time. Thai girls don't see it that way.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2672455]This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.[/QUOTE]My guess is that the girls you are going on a date with are freelance girls and although no money was mentioned they expected something to be given to them when they left.

If you had slipped 2000 (average to older girls) to 3000/4000 (younger prettier girls) in their purse when they were leaving I am sure you will get a positively cheerful response and they will be willing to come back anytime.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2672517]My guess is that the girls you are going on a date with are freelance girls and although no money was mentioned they expected something to be given to them when they left.

If you had slipped 2000 (average to older girls) to 3000/4000 (younger prettier girls) in their purse when they were leaving I am sure you will get a positively cheerful response and they will be willing to come back anytime.[/QUOTE]Agree. But on the off chance that some were not exactly freelancers but regular Thai girls hoping to find a husband or long term support boyfriend, slipping 300-500 baht into their hand as a token gift "for taxi" would also be evidence that the guy isn't just looking for a free fuck.

He did say some of his presumed non P4P first dates did not conclude with a fuck but did on a second date.

I don't think I would recommend slipping 2000-4000 baht into the purse or hand of a girl who just had dinner and a movie with me but refused or resisted having sex on that first date. I would assume those girls are not exactly freelancers.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2672455]This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.[/QUOTE]Thaifriendly has become 95%+ working girls. They may be nice girls but they are working. While yes she should be upfront about it, you also should know better.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2671906]Hey,

Thanks. I don't recall seeing that Chats-Back Up and Restore option in Line Settings the last time I changed phones and transferred my Line account. But that has been a few years.[/QUOTE]I think the post generalizes it. It probably is only for the same type of phones. Some apps are easy, some are difficult or not possible if you switch between Android and iPhone.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2672571]I think the post generalizes it. It probably is only for the same type of phones. Some apps are easy, some are difficult or not possible if you switch between Android and iPhone.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would still take screenshots of important photos and conversation pages and send them to a photo storage app before I delete my Line account from a phone to transfer it to another phone, just to be sure. Imo, Line is not all that reliable about certain things. I know Thai girls who are whizzes at everything you can do on Line that still cry over lost photos and such whenever they get a new phone. Which some do every 6 months it seems.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2672523]Agree. But on the off chance that some were not exactly freelancers but regular Thai girls hoping to find a husband or long term support boyfriend, slipping 300-500 baht into their hand as a token gift "for taxi" would also be evidence that the guy isn't just looking for a free fuck.

He did say some of his presumed non P4P first dates did not conclude with a fuck but did on a second date.

I don't think I would recommend slipping 2000-4000 baht into the purse or hand of a girl who just had dinner and a movie with me but refused or resisted having sex on that first date. I would assume those girls are not exactly freelancers.[/QUOTE]You are probably right in that 2 to 4 k may be a bit much. It all depends on the type of girl is he generally finds he is with. My type would definitely want 3 k to 4 k long term, but I prefer quality over quantity.

Girls that did not put out on first date may lean towards more non P4 P group and would probably be ok for very little.

Girls that put out fairly easily on the first date and are younger and prettier are most likely freelances and expect a decent amount.

I would suggest that he asks the next 2 or 3 directly what they expect before he has sex with them. Then use that as a basis for moving forward. Once he works out a rate that his targeted group is happy with he would not need to mention rates going forward. Just slip that amount into the purse in the morning. The amount of call backs you get will go from 0 to 90%.

Best advice I got as a new tourist 10 years ago that still applies today if you're unsure she's working or not just leave 2000 near her bag in the morning, and don't say anything. Sometimes a girl will confirm its for her, some will just quietly take it. No one is complaining as a freelancer getting 2000 when no money was brought up beforehand. And of course none will just leave it there because 99% of the time if you're unsure that means they are in the game.

Anyone who have visited Bangkok (in the "before times") knows that BKK city traffic is / was notoriously bad. So bad, it impedes you ability to get around town.

How is traffic nowadays?

Bangkok sounds like it is opening up again; but it also seems like it is still not as congested as it was before. I might be tempted to visit before things get hectic again. (When I travel, I go for tourism first. I might hobby if I still have the energy.).

Thanks for the feedback.

[QUOTE=Qeast2;2673029]Anyone who have visited Bangkok (in the "before times") knows that BKK city traffic is / was notoriously bad. So bad, it impedes you ability to get around town.

How is traffic nowadays?

Bangkok sounds like it is opening up again; but it also seems like it is still not as congested as it was before. I might be tempted to visit before things get hectic again. (When I travel, I go for tourism first. I might hobby if I still have the energy.).

Thanks for the feedback.[/QUOTE]The lower Sukhumvit Road area traffic can be quite heavy and jammed during morning and evening rush hour times. Traveling along that road by car to and from the bars on Friday nights can be a pain. The same can often be said for the major streets that cross Sukhumvit like Asoke where Soi Cowboy is located, Wireless Road at Central Embassy mall and Ratchathewi where Central World mall is located.

But I don't think traffic is quite as bad as it was during pre Covid times.

[QUOTE=Qeast2;2673029]Anyone who have visited Bangkok (in the "before times") knows that BKK city traffic is / was notoriously bad. So bad, it impedes you ability to get around town.

How is traffic nowadays?

Bangkok sounds like it is opening up again; but it also seems like it is still not as congested as it was before. I might be tempted to visit before things get hectic again. (When I travel, I go for tourism first. I might hobby if I still have the energy.).

Thanks for the feedback.[/QUOTE]Traffic is all right in Sukhumvit area. Just avoid rush hours between 6-8 pm for now.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2673135]Traffic is all right in Sukhumvit area. Just avoid rush hours between 6-8 pm for now.[/QUOTE]Has Insanity re opened after being busted in December? How about the other nightclubs? Which of the ones that have lots of freelancers are currently open? I apologize if this has been covered recently, but I fail to see it mentioned here in the last few weeks.

I actually prefer to get my night time company from ThaiFriendly, but my wing man is addicted to picking up freelancers at disco-type bars. Despite being retirement age, he actually loves electronic dance music (and long sessions of sex going to 3-4 am!

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2673135]Traffic is all right in Sukhumvit area. Just avoid rush hours between 6-8 pm for now.[/QUOTE]But believe it or not BTS has seats available most of the time. And no long lines at Siam or Asoke.

[QUOTE=TConor;2673637]But believe it or not BTS has seats available most of the time. And no long lines at Siam or Asoke.[/QUOTE]Ya BTS is not crowded in covid era.

After 8 pm, traffic is smooth in suk area. Unlike pre covid days where the jam lasts till 11 pm.

An update for anyone coming to Bangkok at the moment. There are a number of GoGo's open in Bangkok now, however they don't operate like they did in the past.

Due to regulations the girls are not meant to be in Bikinis and are not meant to dance. So you will see a lot of nearly fully clothed women hanging around. Very much unlike the fun that could be had pre covid.

Add this to the much smaller amount of girls in each Gogo and that only 1/4 of clubs are open all equates to a much less fun experience.

So if you are coming to BKK don't expect too much.

Disclaimer: You will see the occasional club ignore the rules for a night or two, if you do see this it is really a bonus and probably not going to stay like that. For example one night we went to 1 Gogo and the girls were practically naked, the very next night they were all fully clothed again and looking bored. Nothing is the same.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2671140]... Not sure why they didn't recycle the lower numbers, I. E. 1, 2, 3...
[/QUOTE]The bar that used to be 'Enter' on the 3rd floor is now Rainbow 3. I wonder what they have in mind for 1 and 2?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2673677]...Due to regulations the girls are not meant to be in Bikinis and are not meant to dance. So you will see a lot of nearly fully clothed women hanging around... [/QUOTE]FWIW, in some clubs the girls wear see-through with bikini undergarments. Still not nude, but some progress.

For anyone interested, I have just successfully completed the latest Test & Go obstacle course marathon. Arrived late on Thursday night from Australia with hard copies of all my paperwork and just handed the entire bundle over to immigration. Processing was quick and after collecting my bag was able to buy a SIM card. No access to duty free however. Emerged at gate 10 and very little wait for my private and screened transport to the hotel. PCR test on the hotel car park roof and given a RAT test kit for day 5. Back down to Hotel reception, checked in, given my room key and told to wait until I got the test result in the morning. Negative COVID result received by email around 7 am, about 7 hours later. Free to go to breakfast!

I did my own RAT test on day 5 (yesterday) which was negative again, fortunately. The Morchana app that I downloaded was not working (typical) so I was unable to upload a photo of my passport alongside of the negative test result. After consulting hotel reception I sent the pic the them and they said that they would upload it when the app was working again. Who knows if this will happen but kept the undated pic anyway.

Old hands would be disappointed with the current nightlife. Only about 8 bars open in NEP, girls dancing in 3 and no showing except for tits in one. Soi Cowboy looked even worse, dancing and tits in one bar only but a lot of fun can be had with girls sitting outside the bars which are open.

In summary, is it worth coming, yes I think so. Plenty of SW about. Beats the poor sexual prisons in most places.

Yours in mongering, Johnie.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2674492]In summary, is it worth coming, yes I think so. Plenty of SW about. Beats the poor sexual prisons in most places.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree. Mongering in Bangkok is abysmal in 2022. Sometimes, I think it's better to hold on to the good memories than to spoil them in the cesspit of a few dozen borderline scary hardened bargirls, homeless-class freelancers and a huge proportion of ladyboys that ply their trade on lower Sukhumvit road. In my opinion, in Bangkok 2010 and earlier were the golden years, 2019 was already unappealing, and all we have now in 2022 are scattered pathetic remnants of 2019.

Coming from some PFP desert, even the current disgusting scene might look good for a night or three, but after that the reality quickly sets in.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2674519]I respectfully disagree. Mongering in Bangkok is abysmal in 2022. Sometimes, I think it's better to hold on to the good memories than to spoil them in the cesspit of a few dozen borderline scary hardened bargirls, homeless-class freelancers and a huge proportion of ladyboys that ply their trade on lower Sukhumvit road. In my opinion, in Bangkok 2010 and earlier were the golden years, 2019 was already unappealing, and all we have now in 2022 are scattered pathetic remnants of 2019.

Coming from some PFP desert, even the current disgusting scene might look good for a night or three, but after that the reality quickly sets in.[/QUOTE]I'd agree that mongering in the late 90's till the early 10's was amazing. Early 00's saw incredible Go-Go and freelancer scenes both in Bangkok and Pattaya. Gals were cheap and plentiful and always a buyer's market. Mid 00's till early 10's saw a huge decline and price increase in Go-Go's and freelancers but was the heyday of the oilies, Tulip, Mango, and Snow White. All are but a shadow of their former selves.

Currently I believe the best bet is online, but as I've said many times here, it takes a lot of time and effort and most dudes on holiday or short time residents are not going to take the time. But it can be pretty great if you're a resident and want to put in the work.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2674537]Currently I believe the best bet is online, but as I've said many times here, it takes a lot of time and effort and most dudes on holiday or short time residents are not going to take the time. But it can be pretty great if you're a resident and want to put in the work.[/QUOTE]Beggars can't be choosers. To each his own, but it's better than nothing. I still have cherished memories as well but it is what it is.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2674519]I respectfully disagree. Mongering in Bangkok is abysmal in 2022. Sometimes, I think it's better to hold on to the good memories than to spoil them in the cesspit of a few dozen borderline scary hardened bargirls, homeless-class freelancers and a huge proportion of ladyboys that ply their trade on lower Sukhumvit road. In my opinion, in Bangkok 2010 and earlier were the golden years, 2019 was already unappealing, and all we have now in 2022 are scattered pathetic remnants of 2019.

Coming from some PFP desert, even the current disgusting scene might look good for a night or three, but after that the reality quickly sets in.[/QUOTE]I totally disagree with this assessment. Bangkok and Pattaya can both still be great if you know what you're doing. I'm having the best sex of my life with some of the best girls I have ever met in Bangkok. I do live here, I go to the bars twice a week and I work the online sites every day. Is it worth a 2 week visit based on the current cost? Not for me to judge it's not my money. But living here during Covid I get the best girls with little competition because of so few tourists, and by competition I mean timing not being good looking or having game or any of that other shit. I'm talking about being at the right place at the right time to find the best girl is easiser now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2674537]

Currently I believe the best bet is online, but as I've said many times here, it takes a lot of time and effort and most dudes on holiday or short time residents are not going to take the time. But it can be pretty great if you're a resident and want to put in the work.[/QUOTE]I can't believe it but I actually finally agree with something that Goatscrot said. I agree 100% with what he says above.

Carlification: I'm not saying Goatscrot is ever wrong but I wasn't around Bangkok during all those old times he talks about so I only know about the good times from 2010 until now.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2674492]Soi Cowboy looked even worse, dancing and tits in one bar only but a lot of fun can be had with girls sitting outside the bars which are open..[/QUOTE]Soi cowboy deserves to die a slow death after years of drink scams, overpriced girls, and moving to coyote (not barfineable) bars. It became a tourist trap before covid.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2674564]I totally disagree with this assessment. Bangkok and Pattaya can both still be great if you know what you're doing. I'm having the best sex of my life with some of the best girls I have ever met in Bangkok. I do live here, I go to the bars twice a week and I work the online sites every day... to find the best girl is easiser now.[/QUOTE]In the end, it comes down to people looking for different things.

Personally, I care for a fun time browsing through a decent number of appealing and willing working girls. I'm looking more for endless variety and a pleasant GFE feeling when it comes to sex, rather than Earth-shattering sex or an amazing stunner (can't remember the last time I saw one in the PFP scene).

After turning over more than 1000 working girls, and staying in Thailand during the 2000-2010 heyday, there's not much of a chance I'd get "best sex of my life" anyway. For reliably outstanding sex, there's Ying (and others) at Tulip, but after doing that for 30 times, and with all of them being over 40, it's hardly exciting.

Sure, you're right that decent sex can still be had in Bangkok, if you put in the work and lower your standards (compared to Thailand in the good days, not compared to what aging guys have access to in the west).

Unfortunately, prowling for hookers in Bangkok or Pattaya, which used to be the most amazing and exciting activity, is no longer fun, and actually outright depressing and occasionally even disgusting.

To summarize, for guys wanting decent sex and willing to wade through shit to get it, Thailand might sill be worthwhile, but if you're after a fun hooker scene with a good vibe and good times on the prowl, it's no longer exists.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2674564]I totally disagree with this assessment. Bangkok and Pattaya can both still be great if you know what you're doing. I'm having the best sex of my life with some of the best girls I have ever met in Bangkok. I do live here, I go to the bars twice a week and I work the online sites every day. Is it worth a 2 week visit based on the current cost? Not for me to judge it's not my money. But living here during Covid I get the best girls with little competition because of so few tourists, and by competition I mean timing not being good looking or having game or any of that other shit. I'm talking about being at the right place at the right time to find the best girl is easiser now.

I can't believe it but I actually finally agree with something that Goatscrot said. I agree 100% with what he says above.

Carlification: I'm not saying Goatscrot is ever wrong but I wasn't around Bangkok during all those old times he talks about so I only know about the good times from 2010 until now.[/QUOTE]I have been coming to Bangkok several times a year for the last 20 years, and sure I had lost of fun back before 2010, but I was also younger and more outrageous. I have been able to find consistently great sex in all the years (and of course many misfires too, goes with the hobby).

In about a month, I'm coming back to Bangkok for the first time since just before this thing started. Its a little depressing to read the gogo scene being only a fraction of what it used to be. But I also saw a few posts saying that you might get lucky. I like to have a few beers and look around before I decide, so gogos have always worked well for me, even if you can get unlucky with a starfish. One of my favorite spots used to be Crazy House, being able to check the girls out stark naked. Or one of the other places where they like to show you theyre not wearing panties even if they are in short skirts.

But I guess there is not a lot of that going on these days. I can only hope it will have improved further in a months time when I get there.

(Also hope all the testing I read about has stopped).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2674608]In the end, it comes down to people looking for different things.

Personally, I care for a fun time browsing through a decent number of appealing and willing working girls. I'm looking more for endless variety and a pleasant GFE feeling when it comes to sex, rather than Earth-shattering sex or an amazing stunner (can't remember the last time I saw one in the PFP scene).

After turning over more than 1000 working girls, and staying in Thailand during the 2000-2010 heyday, there's not much of a chance I'd get "best sex of my life" anyway. For reliably outstanding sex, there's Ying (and others) at Tulip, but after doing that for 30 times, and with all of them being over 40, it's hardly exciting.

Sure, you're right that decent sex can still be had in Bangkok, if you put in the work and lower your standards (compared to Thailand in the good days, not compared to what aging guys have access to in the west).

Unfortunately, prowling for hookers in Bangkok or Pattaya, which used to be the most amazing and exciting activity, is no longer fun, and actually outright depressing and occasionally even disgusting.

To summarize, for guys wanting decent sex and willing to wade through shit to get it, Thailand might sill be worthwhile, but if you're after a fun hooker scene with a good vibe and good times on the prowl, it's no longer exists.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more Croc. Pattaya used to be charmingly sleazy and now I find it a bit off-putting at times. I used to love soi 6 when they were all closed lounge type bars, more like the gentleman's club scattered throughout party now. But now it's extremely loud and it's lost that laid back vibe.

It's also very hard for people to imagine what lower Suk was like in the early 00's. At night it was basically all P4 P gals and guys on the hunt for them. You couldn't walk 10 yards between suite 3 and the Westin, at that time the Delta Grand Pacific, without having a girl ask "go with you. " There were so many it was almost impossible to make a decision. You never saw regular tourists, farang couples, YUDs (young urban douchebags), or really anyone who was not on the game. When Cowboy and Nana closed it was a free-for-all. You would literally have hundreds of girls pouring out of Nana going up to every guy they would see and propositioning them. In Cowboy they would just meander on the soi looking for a customer. Can't tell you how many times I grabbed a girl, headed for the short time room, and didn't get her name till we were finished and on our way out. Thermae stayed up until 6:00 am And was still the domain of the Western punter as the Asian punters had the coffee shop at the Siam City Hotel. And yes all of these activities were an incredible amount of fun. It was never work or ever difficult to find something great. It really was a party every single night. This pretty much went for all of Bangkok not just farang P4 P scene. This truly was a 24-hour town.
Can you still have fun here? Well, of course you can, but it's just not the same. And it's still beats living in the USA.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2674608]In the end, it comes down to people looking for different things.

Personally, I care for a fun time browsing through a decent number of appealing and willing working girls. I'm looking more for endless variety and a pleasant GFE feeling when it comes to sex, rather than Earth-shattering sex or an amazing stunner (can't remember the last time I saw one in the PFP scene).

After turning over more than 1000 working girls, and staying in Thailand during the 2000-2010 heyday, there's not much of a chance I'd get "best sex of my life" anyway. For reliably outstanding sex, there's Ying (and others) at Tulip, but after doing that for 30 times, and with all of them being over 40, it's hardly exciting.

Sure, you're right that decent sex can still be had in Bangkok, if you put in the work and lower your standards (compared to Thailand in the good days, not compared to what aging guys have access to in the west).

Unfortunately, prowling for hookers in Bangkok or Pattaya, which used to be the most amazing and exciting activity, is no longer fun, and actually outright depressing and occasionally even disgusting.

To summarize, for guys wanting decent sex and willing to wade through shit to get it, Thailand might sill be worthwhile, but if you're after a fun hooker scene with a good vibe and good times on the prowl, it's no longer exists.[/QUOTE]Can't agree more, I too was lucky enough to be able to stay in Krungthep during that period, and having moved out in 2018, I think I have really see the heydays of mongering. And Yes to your Yingand my Yan: P May the good times return. Everybody Say Amen!!

The removal of the beer carts and food vendors really gave Sukhumvit a different feel. I wasn't one of those guys who sat around in the beer kiosks but I still kind of miss them walking down Sukhumvit. I especially miss all the Thermae girls popping out for food and sitting in the sidewalk tables outside of Thermae. So much more fun in the good old days.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2674862]The removal of the beer carts and food vendors really gave Sukhumvit a different feel. I wasn't one of those guys who sat around in the beer kiosks but I still kind of miss them walking down Sukhumvit. I especially miss all the Thermae girls popping out for food and sitting in the sidewalk tables outside of Thermae. So much more fun in the good old days.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, that was fun, but I actually preferred it before the food cart days when places like Thermae and the grace coffee shop would stay open till the morning.

Hello fellow mongers! I am planning to visit Thailand for 2 weeks trip, need advice on if Pattaya is still worth visiting for cheap fuck. Also, can any kind soul DM me what does #FT stand for on tfmi wtf site.

[QUOTE=Rodent65;2674909]Hello fellow mongers! I am planning to visit Thailand for 2 weeks trip, need advice on if Pattaya is still worth visiting for cheap fuck. Also, can any kind soul DM me what does #FT stand for on tfmi wtf site.[/QUOTE]#ft = fake tits.

#m = massage.

#RR = Read Reviews. Probably has mixed or poor reviews.

#3 = Threesomes.

#A- = possibly anal.

#+ = Anal.

#lb = ladyboy.

#po = post op.

[QUOTE=Rodent65;2674909]Hello fellow mongers! I am planning to visit Thailand for 2 weeks trip, need advice on if Pattaya is still worth visiting for cheap fuck. Also, can any kind soul DM me what does #FT stand for on tfmi wtf site.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is much better than BKK for cheap sex as a tourist.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2674901]when places like Thermae and the grace coffee shop would stay open till the morning.[/QUOTE]Problem with this for me is that the girls wouldn't have asked me if I wanted to go to a night club or go eat after we finished our session. They would have been more inclined to go back to work. OTH, good to have choices at 5 am if you get bored of your LT.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2674983]Problem with this for me is that the girls wouldn't have asked me if I wanted to go to a night club or go eat after we finished our session. They would have been more inclined to go back to work. OTH, good to have choices at 5 am if you get bored of your LT.[/QUOTE]I've never been a LT guy, after I'm done I have no desire to hang out with them. But they'd usually quote for both. 00 Tmae was 500-1 k ST and 1 k-1500 LT. Exchange rate was 40 plus to the USD, so 12.50ST. And as a dude in his early 30's, I could knock off two or three and not spend 50 bucks. Was a hard transition around 07 when I started going to the oilies and paying 2,100 for 90 minutes. Most I was paying then for ST was 1 K for FL and GoGo gals. But performance at the oilies certainly warranted it. Leaving with your knees shaking every time was amazing.

500 B ST with brand new streetwalker. I was her first client (yes I know they all say so but this one was true). And I have the video to remember it by.

Routine BBFS, no questions asked.

Nadia, a half Thai half Indian non pro I met outside Nana hotel. Craziest sex ever. She showed up once at my nice hotel wearing a white latex nurse outfit and red fishnets. Made a full prono with me with my good buddy playing cameraman and gave him a nice BJ as a reward. Used to giver her 100 USD after a few days of fun.

Great sex on Soi 6 for 700 Bhat with young hot cuties. Had to shoo them away there were so many of them.

Going to BKK for a company conference, sitting a bar in Nana with a hottie on my lap. My then boss comes up and asks how I'm doing. I turn around and say "what do you think?" he reaches over, squeezes my girls boobs and says "I approve".

And many many more. So yeah, compared to those days its been downhill for a while now. Covid is the final nail I fear.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2674566]Soi cowboy deserves to die a slow death after years of drink scams, overpriced girls, and moving to coyote (not barfineable) bars. It became a tourist trap before covid.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah. I have always stuck mostly to the same bars, but once mistakenly ventured into one of those coyote bars owned by that Arab dude. We were busy partying and didn't even realize what it was until it was closing and too late to find girls elsewhere. What a bummer (and lesson) that was. In hindsight I obviously should have had alarm bells going when nobody was pushing for bar fee.

You only make that mistake once.

Coyotes are a terrible thing. Terrible.

Rumor has it the reason the Soi 7 bars were closed tonight was some bar owners neglected to check a couple of girls' Identification Cards. And I don't mean for place of birth but rather for Date of Birth.

So all the Soi 7 bars were shut down by the police tonight. I have not yet heard how many nights they will be closed for such an infraction. One mamasan guessed it could be for a few days. But that was only a guess based on past experience during normal times.

Soi 7 new bar area got raided last night.

Underage the target, Andy they were successful at Bar 789.

ASEAN Now report.

DOPA and NGO Operation Underground Railroad in conjunction with the Thai police raided a bar area off Soi 7 in the Nana area of upper Sukhumvit Road, downtown Bangkok last night.

The area of around thirty bars has sprung up over the least year or so. Mostly foreigners but some Thais listen to music and chat with bar girls at the bars off the main road.

But sex is on offer and it became apparent that some of the women are under the age of 18.

One victim was even just 14 years old.

The raid came after the NGO Operation Underground Railroad complained to Damrongdhama (a government watchdog) about human trafficking offences in the area.

The target of the raiding party was "789 Bar".

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But Thai Rath reported that as the raiding party arrived many bars rushed to shut up shop in panic.

Arrested on human trafficking charges and taken to Lumpini police station was 42 year old Ratchada Sritaket.

Taken into care were three under age sex workers. One was 14.

The media said that patrons at the bars could pay a bar fine then take girls away for sex.

DOPA official Narong Thipsiri said it was terrible that youth were being offered for sex and that human trafficking charges are very serious.

He urged the public to contact damrongdhama. Dopa. Go. Th or via the "Dopa Help" app if they are aware of young people being offered for sex.

I had at least 6 mongering weeks in Thailand for each of 5-6 years in a row back in the early 1990's. Then I took a long break to work harder, make money, get married and divorced, buy property, etc. All worthwhile life experiences and investments.

I did not return to Thailand until almost 10 years ago when I retired in Bangkok. So I guess I missed out on those supposedly best of times sometime just prior to about 10 years ago.

For devoted BBFS+CIP guys like me, those early 1990's were godawful. The HIV hysteria was in full swing and it was condom condom condom always, early and often in Thailand. For me at least.

Jump cut to last night in Nana Plaza where a lovely 20 something lass who I'd never seen before assigned duty as the menu / door girl smiled so sweetly at me I had to sit to buy her a drink. Then another. The mamasan assured me she would be a good girl for me.

She was right.

I paid the 800 baht barfine for her. Neither of us mentioned money for her but she did tell me she could only do Short Time last night because she had a regular job in a mall the next morning and needed to get back to her place for the proper work clothes. Off we went back to my apartment.

The experience was heavenly. DFK, DATY, BBBJ, a little more DATY to prepare her for entry and then I slipped into a warm, wet, snug, nearly hairless, no baby vagina slowly and deliberately to the hilt and moved at my preferred pace and long enough until I came to a memorable finish right on or rather in target.

I gave her 2,000 baht and she seemed delighted to get it.

As far as "fun" other than that goes, I have never been a partyer, big time drinker, get my pecker grabbed by every girl in the line up kind of dude anyway. And I am almost 69 years old. Good lord, even if I hadn't been looking for that kind of fun all that often in my life, I've found myself pulled into it enough to be satisfied I'd gotten my turn by now anyway.

What I had last night and find I can actually get rather easily from new girls and old favorites just about any night I want (with the usual 10-20% of it turning into a disastrous waste of time, money or ejaculation, of course) is still pretty damn good even if I did miss out on the really big everybody jump into the pool fully dressed party just prior to my moving here to retire.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2674912]#ft = fake tits.

#m = massage.

#RR = Read Reviews. Probably has mixed or poor reviews.

#3 = Threesomes.

#A- = possibly anal.

#+ = Anal.

#lb = ladyboy.

#po = post op.[/QUOTE]Super thanks for this. I thought #A is 3 holers.

[QUOTE=Allover;2675526]I understand some are tired of hearing about the old days since those days are no longer relevant. It not that hard to scroll past those posts as we do for other topics that don't interest us. My first visit was in 1997 and it was literally heaven on earth. The sheer numbers of good looking girls begging for you to choose them is not something that can be imagined. It was unbelievable. And your age really didn't matter. As Goatscrot has pointed out old men and the hottest young girls was a common sight. I'm so happy to have been there in those times. Ok I'll stop now.[/QUOTE]So imagine what it was like to be 21 in 1988 and the crew dropped you off at Soi Cowboy for the first time. Zero rules back then. None, nada, zilch.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2675288]...There are massage parlors nearby where I'm staying currently in Pattaya where their standard rate is 1200-1500 be for CFS. If you're comparing it to when you used to pay $21 back in 2000, then it seems in line with inflation, if not less...[/QUOTE]I am always puzzled by the lack of appreciation for inflation. It is real and can cause damage over longer period of time. With an inflation of 4% per year, prices would double every 18 years or so. If general prices are doubling every 18 years, one should expect to pay twice as much in 18 years.

I can see the effect of keeping prices down. I visited the FKKs in Germany for the first time in 2006, and I have been going back every year since then. The price during that time span was always 50 Euros per half an hour. Well, guess what, all the girls who could, left Germany for other countries in Europe. The prices in Switzerland, Dubai, and other countries kept up with inflation, but not in Germany.

Another matter is the arrival of new category of mongers. I went first to Thailand in 2003, and have been going every year except Covid years. I noticed an exponential growth in new types of mongers, newly minted well-off Chinese, Koreans, and Indians. IMO, that had more of a dramatic effect on the business than inflation.

Heck, I just got back from a mongering trip to Colombia. I was surprised to stumble into a large group of Chinese mongers in a restaurant there. Word is spreading I guess with the help of forums like ISG. I suppose we just have to live with this new environment for mongering.

[QUOTE=Rodent65;2675572]Super thanks for this. I thought #A is 3 holers.[/QUOTE]It was a typo. It should have been #A+ not #+ which means anal is on offer.

In fact #+ means they offer extra services such as squirting but you will need to read the reviews to find out what.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2675707]...Heck, I just got back from a mongering trip to Colombia. I was surprised to stumble into a large group of Chinese mongers in a restaurant there....[/QUOTE]I think they are expats that work there. I met a group that frequent La Isla too.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2675708]I don't know, I've actually had a pretty good time with online during covid. Great looking girls and excellent prices. I'd say it's the best time I've had in quite a few years. I'm not going to be thrilled to see the hordes return.[/QUOTE]Completely agree with this.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2675701]Compared to now any single day pre-COVID was the good old days![/QUOTE]I actually preferred now due to lack of competition.

Getting back on track with the purpose of this forum, I heard from my source at Soi 7 Biergarten that next door open-air bars will reopen on Saturday, 19 March 2022 (2565), after 3 days of penalty closure.

Not all, as some have been slapped hard, I. E. Besides the underage issue (evil customers & bad mamasans in my opinion), some employees have no Thai ID (illegals), and some have no license or improper business papers (especially, Covid restrictions).

Now, don't you all rush down there and bottleneck the entrance. (You can use the 2nd entrance further up the street.).

Happy mongering.

Seeko.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2675782]Getting back on track with the purpose of this forum, I heard from my source at Soi 7 Biergarten that next door open-air bars will reopen on Saturday, 19 March 2022 (2565), after 3 days of penalty closure.

Not all, as some have been slapped hard, I. E. Besides the underage issue (evil customers & bad mamasans in my opinion), some employees have no Thai ID (illegals), and some have no license or improper business papers (especially, Covid restrictions).

Now, don't you all rush down there and bottleneck the entrance. (You can use the 2nd entrance further up the street.)..[/QUOTE]Thanks. Thought of going back there after skipping the place for 2 months. Now I would probably avoid due to illegals or improper business papers. Got many more places to go.

With PP and AC it very much felt like I was mongering mostly in dedicated districts. And while BKK had clear popular hubs, it was much more convenient to stumble upon gems in the middle of nowhere. Like I could have pretties in Udomsuk and Chatuchak in a single day.

In Cambodia and Philippines I was always treated like another tourist, but in Thailand I routinely had to explain that I was Chinese and not Thai. Still, I got a lot of local treatment and prices.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2676035]Hey folks,

Considering a mongering + tourism trip next month but not able to decide between BKK Thailand or PP Cambodia or AC Philippines.

I have travelled a lot and mongered across the globe, so I am not a newbie. But I have not been to BKK or PP or AC.

I have RTFF on all these cities, but still need advice from someone who has been to all these cities and can provide a first hand insight.

Appreciate your help and as always I will contribute to the forum after I visit one of these destinations based on your suggestion.

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2675781]I actually preferred now due to lack of competition.[/QUOTE]I agree. The girl to guy ratio is pretty favorable now. I get attention from girls who would have ignored me in the past, and prices (and, I think, performance) are better.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2675194]...Problem is the reduced selection of working girls, which is outright depressing, often bordering on disgusting, as well as the complete lack of fun in the Bangkok scene....[/QUOTE]Things are changing fairly rapidly. I was impressed with the selection at Twister last night, a considerable improvement in just a week's time. That said, still no nude dancing, which I'll be happy to see return.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2674942]Pattaya is much better than BKK for cheap sex as a tourist.[/QUOTE]I think that depends a bit on how old you are. In Pattaya and Phuket, one must compete with younger guys. Older guys are treated better in BKK, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=MikeMark;2675706]So imagine what it was like to be 21 in 1988 and the crew dropped you off at Soi Cowboy for the first time. Zero rules back then. None, nada, zilch.[/QUOTE]Right. I've been (mostly) lurking these forums in preparation for my first ever trip next month. I find it interesting that a lot of people are singing the praises of the period when Bernard Trink's nightlife column in the Bangkok post was retired, when his column was seen as anachronistic and out of place in the new Bangkok.

I'm willing to bet that on your first trip in 1988, there was at least one person who told you that you'd missed out by not being around during the Vietnam war are and are era.

Probably first visit is always the best one so that means I've got a lot to look forward to next month. Thanks for all the posts, I will post reviews afterwards.

[QUOTE=Dragooner;2676044]And while BKK had clear popular hubs, it was much more convenient to stumble upon gems in the middle of nowhere. Like I could have pretties in Udomsuk and Chatuchak in a single day.[/QUOTE]Would like to hear a bit more about Udomsuk and Chatuchak, Dragooner, would be nice to have some options outside of the 'hubs' as you call them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2675708]I don't know, I've actually had a pretty good time with online during covid. Great looking girls and excellent prices. I'd say it's the best time I've had in quite a few years. I'm not going to be thrilled to see the hordes return.[/QUOTE]Even though online schemes haven't worked out for me I won't be happy to see the hordes return either. Covid was pretty nerve-wracking for me because of travel restrictions, but the way Thailand was becoming overcrowded I'm not sure I would still be in Thailand if it hadn't been for Covid.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2676107]
Depends how important the "tourism" part of your trip is and what you want to do in the non mongering time. Of the 3 BKK is the most interesting from a general tourism perspective and AC is the least. BKK has temples, culture, great dining, clubs etc. AC is a dilapidated third world shit hole with nothing to do outside fucking and drinking. Its ok for 3-4 days at most. PP is not quite as desolate as AC but not as good as BKK. For mongering if you want friendly English speaking girls with BBFS the norm, then its hard to beat AC, even with the higher prices and lower mileage in bars than the good old days. BKK has a large selection of pretty girls, but feels more commercial. Haven't played in PP so can't compare but seems again half way between AC and BKK.[/QUOTE]Nice comparison among the 3 SEA places. I personally prefer PP over AC, despite the lack of English in PP. I find PP girls much friendlier, and easier to deal with. Not to mention the large presence of nice French restaurants and French bakeries, a foodie paradise in that part of the world. I also found AC girls to be a bit sneakier, and more money hungry.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2671055]From the man, the myth, the legend..[/QUOTE]Great info, thanks!

[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2676516]Would like to hear a bit more about Udomsuk and Chatuchak, Dragooner, would be nice to have some options outside of the 'hubs' as you call them.[/QUOTE]For Chatuchak, there is Pancake Spa by the Lad Phrao MRT.

Udomsuk, go to USB Spa if you don't mind a short taxi from the BTS or have your own vehicle. Also lots of fiwfan freelancers use hotels along the BTS (Bang Chak to Udomsuk station) as their incalls.

Most importantly, use reviews and info from Thai websites. The ones in English tend to be inaccurate, as Farangs are super confused that instead of wild PSE they get shy and reserved ladies who might not even FS.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2676107]AC is a dilapidated third world shit hole with nothing to do outside fucking and drinking.[/QUOTE]That's why we love it!

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2667892]I wonder if there's been a change in their modus operandi? Last night had a different feel, and there was significant hand-in-hand traffic out the door. I didn't try to barfine, though. There definitely was a lot of ladydrink hustling. No cute costumes, and the place was packed, which was pretty unusual.[/QUOTE]I think I was wrong about this, Random seems to have reverted to coyote-ism.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2677192]I think I was wrong about this, Random seems to have reverted to coyote-ism.[/QUOTE]I had exactly the same impression again last night. It was supposedly the owner / manager's birthday and I bought her a drink. Sitting next to me and chatting a bit, I asked her if all of her girls barfine. She took a longer time to answer that simple question than I would think necessary and finally said Yes but some will only do Short Time.

However, my experience at Random in Nana Plaza has been if the girl is notably hotter than the average girl in that room, she will have some excuse for not getting barfined and leaving with me or, based on my observation, anyone else at any time during bar open hours. And she'll have to rush off to wash her hair and get her nails done after the bar closes as well.

As always for others out there, YMMV and I can't dismiss the possibility that it might be my hideous ugliness, poor hygiene, total lack of communication skills, zero sense of humor and no spending money in my pocket as the reason for it in my case.

Just an update, soi 7 bars still all closed, some girls hanging out on the street had no idea when it would reopen.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2676862]What a perfect timing for your reply, thank you. Just today I was going to ask about HCM Vietnam because in the original comparison between BKK, PP and AC, I somehow forgot to add HCM, which was also in my original list of destinations. How is the scene in HCM, is it restricted to a small mongering hub or is it big like BKK. Is there a lot of bars / places to pick girls and is the nightlife good. It sure looks good from RTFF of HCM, but how would you compare it to BKK. Thanks a lot for your reply![/QUOTE]HCMC (Saigon to everyone who lives here) is not nearly as easy to find places, bars, girls, etc, as Bangkok but when you find them it's better value for money. You can start by trying the Spas and massage places in the alleys off Bui Vien street, or a few of the well known places for street meat, or online. Definitely not as good a bar scene in Saigon as there is in Bangkok, girls here go out in groups and expect to come home alone, very rare do you find bars where girls go to pick up or get picked up. One downside is that the street meat here tends to be somewhat older and more well used than in Bangkok.

3 Gentleman's Clubs in Thonburi shut down for 5 years. Poseidon Pub, New Jazz, and Lan-Lao.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2677544]3 Gentleman's Clubs in Thonburi shut down for 5 years. Poseidon Pub, New Jazz, and Lan-Lao.[/QUOTE]Sounds like someone didn't want to pay the bribe anymore.

Damage: 7500 jacuzzi room 2 ladies.

Provider: May and Mine.

Looks: 3.5/5 and 3/5.

Body: 4/5 and 3/5.

Service: 4/5.

WIR: yes.

Website: Daisy dream doesn't show lady on website, but can see girl photo here [URL]https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1DiVdVWcy5htfbvAC7KPsWoo7zz3TBg2o[/URL].

Report:

It's been a while, so I decided to return to daisy dream. I always like their room quality, but the ladies I used to like don't seem to work there recently, so I tried may and mine. From their photos they looked ok, with big boobs.

Shower-.

We went to the room and started in the shower. May and mine are all smiles and enthusiastically washed my body, sandwiching me from both sides. May has silicone, but nice and soft, maybe her boobs were pretty big already before. Mind has some nice natural boobs, a little bigger than average Thai girl, and I loved sucking on both of them!

Bed.

I needed to calm down a bit, so we went for a massage. I do love the feel of 4-hand massage for a while. After all, I'm there to relax.

After a while, they flipped me over, and may started sucking my balls while mine sucked my nipples. Blowjob was pretty enthusiastic, so I asked for a condom and may started in cowgirl. I don't usually like going down on the ladies unless I really like them, but I like the weight of 2 bodies on top of me, so I asked mine to sit down on my chest too, while may switched positions to reverse. It was feeling really good, and after the shower and blowjob, I wanted her to slow down, but they said don't worry, we can go again, so I grabbed mays hips and bucked like crazy until I came.

Jacuzzi-.

Jacuzzi was great - 1 girl straddling each thigh with tits in my face. Great boob job with may's big knockers. You could tell she liked showing mine that she could do a great boob job.

Bed-.

Back to the bed for round 2 - basically the reverse of the first, swapping the girls. They're cute and laughing and seem to be enjoying the fun a lot. I cum again and there's about 20 minutes left.

After a short period, may goes for a 3rd time, but I just cannot LOL. Too old.

Overall-.

These girls make up for whatever they might be lacking with enthusiasm and attitude. The room's nice, and the price maybe a little high."

Hey. Been exploring Phuket, Patong, Krabi. Will share the FR once am on a computer. So much yo share. Pics too.

Now, am looking for agency who can get me two bi girls. Quality girls. In BKK. Any suggestions?

Tried in other cities (mentioed earlier) ,but they / expectations were far below my expectations.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2677266]Just an update, soi 7 bars still all closed, some girls hanging out on the street had no idea when it would reopen.[/QUOTE]Concur. They were open last Saturday and Sunday, but shutdown again on Monday.

Either misunderstanding of closure orders or miscommunication between various entities. One can also blame the bar owners for not dotting I's or crossing t's. I suspect that there were not enough tea money and not sincere enough wai to save face.

I just hope that prior agogo dancers return to Nana Plaza. Anyway, new crop showed up at R5 this week, and they seemed to rotate up to R3, so move location if not enough on stage.

Seeko.

I am not in Bangkok but can confirm from other sources that the bar complex will be closed for at least 45 days and may not reopen in its present form again. Due to the notoriety achieved from one of the bars hiring minors to work there a few weeks ago, the Bangkok authorities have noticed that this complex was originally licensed to be a car park complex, not a multi bar venue. I am sure there is much going on behind the scenes but you can forget about this place opening up again anytime in the near future.

[QUOTE=Seeko;2678240]Concur. They were open last Saturday and Sunday, but shutdown again on Monday.

Either misunderstanding of closure orders or miscommunication between various entities. One can also blame the bar owners for not dotting I's or crossing t's. I suspect that there were not enough tea money and not sincere enough wai to save face.

I just hope that prior agogo dancers return to Nana Plaza. Anyway, new crop showed up at R5 this week, and they seemed to rotate up to R3, so move location if not enough on stage.

Seeko.[/QUOTE]

That's nice! Any additional info for Phaya Thai area and surroundings? I'm tired of epicenters and want something low key but quality.

To share on that note although a bit to the south, been to Naka Massage on Phetchaburi Rd this evening. Not visible from the main steet, must go into a small yard, use gmaps as reference, location is pretty precise. Fancy sign and low key space - 999 for the top package which includes a light massage, girl taking her top off and what mamasan calls "one hand". No choosing or at least I didn't ask, got assigned cute Ning. Heard 6 girls work there and saw 2 others on exit, just as cute as Ning.

Shower provided as service from the lady. Bummed she never took her mask off. Massage expectedly so-so but then Ning got to massaging my balls and dick. What followed was about an hour of the most exquisite dick massage (on website, in japanese, they literally call it testicle massage) I have received in years. She happiliy made me cum twice as first time was a bit like 1 minute man joke, but she kept on massaging and massaging persistently to the size I rarely get with hottest escorts. Looking at her young little natural boobs with pencil rubber nipples helped as well. WIR - 100%, and will. Left 300 as a tip.

[QUOTE=Dragooner;2676963]For Chatuchak, there is Pancake Spa by the Lad Phrao MRT.

Udomsuk, go to USB Spa if you don't mind a short taxi from the BTS or have your own vehicle. Also lots of fiwfan freelancers use hotels along the BTS (Bang Chak to Udomsuk station) as their incalls.

Most importantly, use reviews and info from Thai websites. The ones in English tend to be inaccurate, as Farangs are super confused that instead of wild PSE they get shy and reserved ladies who might not even FS.[/QUOTE]

Went there last night. Whole plaza was dark, closed.

Wonder what happened and when will it reopen?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2677241]...As always for others out there, YMMV and I can't dismiss the possibility that it might be my hideous ugliness, poor hygiene, total lack of communication skills, zero sense of humor and no spending money in my pocket as the reason for it in my case.[/QUOTE]As always, the humble Mr ET. Very funny!

Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok after 3 years. Looking across my hotel at Soi Cowboy. Dark and closed. Very disappointing.

It's my first time on ISG.

Writing today to see if anyone has any freelancer suggestions, preferably daytime spots. Not sure what the situation at the German Beer Garden, Rajah and Grace Hotel is like. Any guidance will be much appreciated.

Sxcluv Out.

Haven't posted for a long time since there wasn't anything new to contribute about the usual shops which lost their attraction to me. I have a good relationship with some of the well known superstars and if I feel that way inclined I invite them to my home rather than visit the shop. However these days I found much better hook-ups on social media. In the current situation the lines have blurred between freelancers, FWB and women that just need a break from the daily routine and just want an evening out that ends up in bed. Of course the latter take a bit more effort and it certainly isn't any cheaper because they usually like to be wined and dined beforehand. But they are on a different level since the ones I have met are all successful business women in their forties that would be insulted by any blatant payment. However they all ended up in my bed on the first date.

Then there are the girls that lost their job in the pandemic and now look for some money in exchange for sex. The age range here I found between 25 - 40. They all speak decent English and in bed BBFS is the norm. The nice thing with all these, they don't have assembly line sex and when they moan it is for real and not fake. The best one I found on TF is a girl by the name of Dao. She runs a small guesthouse in Thawisuk village and needs some money. She might have had some pro experience before but I cannot say that for sure. I am just assuming that since sex with her reminds me of the good times with Ice who used to work at Mango and who she reminds me off in a way. She totally lets go in bed and there are no holes barred.

And then there are the freelancers. The price from 3 hours to the whole night usually ranges between 2 -2. 5 k One amazing girl lives on On Nut. She goes by different names such as Pam but her real name is Wannis. This woman not only has a huge (silicon) rack but she also puts on a show in some leather or lace outfits that gets me going even before we get to sex part. She is a small girl with gigantic tits and probably doesn't weigh more than 42 kg.

In summary, yes the good old times have long gone and I am certainly avoiding boring Soi Cowboy and Soi Nana these days but there is a completely new scene and if you can sift through the fake ladyboy ads and investment frauds, there are some real diamonds to be found.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2678495]Went there last night. Whole plaza was dark, closed.

Wonder what happened and when will it reopen?[/QUOTE]Nana Plaza was closed just that one night. Not sure why. It wasn't sudden. The girls were told about it early in the day or the night before. It was open and busy tonight.

I decided not to go to Bangkok because I feared things would never get going like before, at least this winter. So Soi Cowboy is basically closed, NEP is only partially open, and the Soi 7 complex closed recently because of some unwanted attention concerning the hiring of minors, which led to a discovery that the complex was being used for something not originally intended. For me, Bangkok was never a daytime destination for mongering, however, you can have a good time in the massage places such as on Soi 22 and some of the off smaller sois in that area. The old hotels you mentioned have definitely fallen out of favor and is mainly an Arab or Indian hangout, if at all.

The German Beer Garden at Soi 7, just past where the now closed complex is located still is open but had the rep for being MILF central but who knows maybe some of the girls from the complex have wandered over.

In the early evening, there are some popular bars with girls on Soi 8, near the entrance to this Soi. Also, I just heard there are some temp bars open on Soi 11, though not sure of the exact location. Sometimes, later in evening there are Alcocart's serving booze and girls on Suk or neighboring sois. They come and go though.

Of course, there are always girls walking about Suk in evening though some LB's are heavily in the mix these days. I heard Thermae may offer a few opportunities but they are not open during the day.

Good luck and let us know what you find.

[QUOTE=Sxcluv363;2678517]Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok after 3 years. Looking across my hotel at Soi Cowboy. Dark and closed. Very disappointing.

It's my first time on ISG.

Writing today to see if anyone has any freelancer suggestions, preferably daytime spots. Not sure what the situation at the German Beer Garden, Rajah and Grace Hotel is like. Any guidance will be much appreciated.

Sxcluv Out.[/QUOTE]