Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1414036]So I asked, what is their GFE? Don't you want to know?

Have a nice day.[/QUOTE]Instead of demanding answers from others why don't you tell us what you think GFE is. You purport to know. Tell us.

I'm not going to get involved with the banter on GFE other than to say that the best GFE and PSE (yep. 2 in 1) I had the pleasure of experiencing was Vodka from Cherry Massage. Worth every baht.

[QUOTE=Linkwray666; 1413833]Erm, as I recall the generally agreed upon mongering definitions are:

GFE = BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG.[/QUOTE]Bravo! Such an elegant definition of GFE. Generally agreed upon? Yah right. By whom?

Google GFE and this is typical of what you will find.

[I]"The girlfriend experience (commonly known as GFE) is a type of service a female sex worker offers which includes acting like a girlfriend to the client. GFE includes french kissing, hugging, talking, and eating a meal together."

"The "girlfriend experience" generally involves more personal interaction than a traditional call girl or escort offers; it varies widely from person to person, however, here is a focus on not just having sex, but also having more of a comprehensive experience."[/I]

The modern high end escort who offers a true GFE takes her inspiration from the cortigiana onesta. As I've described in other posts, these women were worldly and well-educated. They had exceptional social and conversational skills, intelligence, common-sense, great beauty and a mastery of sexual techniques. Unlike common prostitutes, they offered much more than just sex.

It's stupid and silly to define an experience like a GFE with a list of sex acts. The whole point of a GFE is what happens in addition to the sex, and the skill with which these augmenting experiences are offered. Buy a GFE from one of the MPs, then book a date with a real high end escort who offers a true GFE. You'll see. The difference will be patently obvious to you, unless you're dimwitted or socially retarded. Unfortunately, in Bangkok most girls who bill themselves as escorts are really MP girls being sold at an inflated price. Worldwide, most escorts are just average, because most people are just average. You've got to know which escorts are exceptional; you also have to be prepared to pay what they charge. These exceptional ladies don't come cheap. Oh, and unless you're already a client, [B]they will screen you[/B]. And there's a possibility they'll turn you down because they're picky and have more potential clients than they care to see.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1413887]Chipping in on the GFE issue.

GFE is not purely a service matter, it's a matter of chemistry between a girl and a punter.

For the customer, GFE involves what movie critics call a "willing suspension of disbelief". It is perfectly clear to everyone but a complete idiot that he's paying for it, and that he wouldn't shag a genuine GF (20 years younger) within 10 minutes of meeting her. However, the punter can still feel like he's in a brief relationship with a girl who is glad to be there and happy to be shagging him. Like watching a movie, it's obviously not real, but we still get into the story (except for the ultra-cynical ones).

GFE may be difficult to define, but it's painfully easy to spot the opposite. When the girl makes it obvious that she hates being there, is just renting a hole for a specific act and would much rather just grab your money and be out ASAP.

The girl can try to provide the GFE along by acting as if she's happy to be there with the punter. But it's not a set of specific sexual acts. It's ultimately up to the punter to judge a GFE. Exact same behavior can be GFE for one bloke, but "fine effort, but so fake" for another.

Whether service is GFE can depend on the girls and punter's mood. For instance, with Ploy from Snow White a few times, once it was GFE, the other time it was not. And I don't think she was failing to make an effort that second time (probably provided _more_ in terms of physical service) , but was probably just tired, and so was I.[/QUOTE]IMO you've nailed it. I also believe that EZ is using the expression as a marketing tool. No harm in that and I thought it was clever of them to publish a list in the not too distant past of what employee offered what service. If they posted such a list here once a month or so I think that would be a service to us and increase their business. I've been a customer of Mango, Tulips and Snow White but not yet EZ. Might do.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1414036]EZ Massage and many other MP's, soapies, etc, advertise GFE. They are the ones who are saying it. They are referring to their services. It is pretty simple I think.

So I asked, what is their GFE? Don't you want to know?[/QUOTE]I think all the claim means is that the girls make an effort to act as if they're pleased to be with the customer. The GFE/chemistry is, of course, never guaranteed. However, most sex workers tend not to make that effort (virtually all outside of SE Asia, and increasingly many in Thailand, unfortunately)... and it's a meaningful claim to say they'll try.

On a related note, does EZ Massage offer multiple pops? How much do they charge? Is anal on the menu?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1414036]So all I wanted to know is what those GFE services are.

But really, I don't give a shit because I have no interest in EZ.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1414125]Why is that? Have you been disappointed? I think the girls look great in the pics at their website.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bionicman;1414140]They offer what the people is asking for. As GFE can be different from guy to guy, and I agree it has a lot to do with the chemistry and this cannot be anticipated in a menu list, they will nto describe it.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1414221]IMO you've nailed it. I also believe that EZ is using the expression as a marketing tool. No harm in that and I thought it was clever of them to publish a list in the not too distant past of what employee offered what service. If they posted such a list here once a month or so I think that would be a service to us and increase their business. I've been a customer of Mango, Tulips and Snow White but not yet EZ. Might do.[/QUOTE]I don't believe you're going to get a true GFE at an MP, unless you've had the girl a few times, such as on an extended outcall, giving you an opportunity to develop a bit of a relationship with her. I just don't see how a typical MP girl seeing several clients a day can pull it off in the MP over the course of one massage session. The high end escorts who offer a true GFE never do incall, well a few might entertain a very good client whom they've seen for years in their residence. And they only see a few clients a month. They may turn you down if you want to book them for two hours on the first date. They're smarter than that. They want at least a four hour lunch or dinner date followed by a romp in your 5-star hotel room. While they may offer a two hour "let's get to know each other" session if they have too many open days, generally when a new guy requests a two hour date that immediately tells her you're either cheap or can't really afford her. She wants enough time to cast her spell on you; and as you'll be the only client she'll see that day, she want to milk you for at least a four hour fee. Remember, she's trying to cultivate a small number of generous men with considerable means as regular clients.

I think it's pretty clear what EZ is doing. As they don't claim to be providing a PSE like you can find at Tullip, Mango, SW or Cherry, they have to come up with some catch all term to label their services. GFE is all that is left. So I think all they are telling you is don't come to us looking for raunchy hardcore sex. Our girls don't do that!

Now, the staff person who occasionally posts on ISG has stated which girls offer a-level and has recommended certain girls as top performers. But don't forget restaurants have daily specials, which are only special in the sense that the main ingredients are at the very end of their shelf life. Take the recommendations with a grain of salt. But hey, this is a sex forum. Guess what? There are a few reviews of EZ girls on ISG, and some of the girls get pretty good reviews (for example, Donut, Miki, Pinky, Yaya and Aida). However, be aware: I think we would all agree that by any definition, GFE includes reasonably enthusiastic DFK; however, according to some of the reviews not all the EZ girls are eager to offer this service. But don't expect to get a real GFE, after all it's only a massage parlor.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1414238]does EZ Massage offer multiple pops? How much do they charge? Is anal on the menu?[/QUOTE]Generally the girls only offer one pop, though promising a nice tip may coax her into going another round with you. I believe they charge THB2400 for 2 hours, paid upfront. The girls expect a tip of THB500 on top of that. Last I heard Cindy, Nicky, Lily, Honey, Game, May and Boom offer a-level, though I believe they want extra for it, and it's not always on the menu. I guess they want to size you up first, so to speak.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1414207]Bravo! Such an elegant definition of GFE. Generally agreed upon? Yah right. By whom?[/QUOTE]Mongers? Sex workers who advertise GFE? I certainly didn't make this stuff up, I found it by researching the meaning of the term GFE after reading it on the internet. Before I looked it up my assumption was GFE meant the flowery romantic thing you believe it means.

If YOU Google "GFE" and dig a little deeper than the one quote you provided you will find lists of sexual terms and abbreviations and their definitions, typically GFE is described as INCLUDING "DATY, dfk, BBBJ, msog"

Here are a couple of examples to get you started:

[url]http://www.sexwork.com/subcontents/abbreviations.html[/url]

[url]http://www.sexyescortads.com/forum/view_topic/27656/[/url]

(a funny quote from the escort on this page considering our current conversation,"I offer both GFE and PSE service. I am always stumped when I have to explain it")

[url]http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_gfe_cbj_meant&altQ=What_GFE_means[/url]

[url]http://blog.sherisranch.com********topic/gfe/[/url]

(quote from this page "GFE. Including intimate conversation or talking dirty, deep French kissing, bare-back fellatio, uncovered cunnilingus and approximately one hour duration". Is that ELEGANT enough for you?)

[url]http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/DCForumID15/2.html[/url]

If I pay a sex worker for GFE and do am not allowed DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY I would say I did not receive GFE, no matter how much she batted her eyelashes, told me she loved me, held my hand, cooked me dinner, etc. I am paying for I have had quite a few honest to goodness girlfriends in my 50 years of living and have never had a girlfriend who would not allow DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY. How about you?

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1414207]Google GFE and this is typical of what you will find.

The modern high end escort who offers a true GFE takes her inspiration from the cortigiana onesta.[/QUOTE]We are not talking about "modern high end escorts" here, we are talking about spending and hour with a girl in a massage parlor.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1414207]It's stupid and silly to define an experience like a GFE with a list of sex acts.[/QUOTE]If I am paying for sex I expect to get sex. If you object to the mongering community's use of the term GFE to define a list of sex acts I understand and sympathize, if it is really a problem for you I recommend you coin your own term and abbreviation for a paid sexual act involving DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY and popularize the term in the sex worker and mongering communities. I wish you all the luck in the world in changing the common parlance but you must realize it will be an uphill battle.

Perhaps it would be easier to coin and popularize a term for the flowery romantic "cortigiana onesta" thing you are calling GFE. COE = Cortigiana Onesta Experience, there you go, run with it!

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1414207]The whole point of a GFE is what happens in addition to the sex, and the skill with which these augmenting experiences are offered.[/QUOTE]For you. For me (and according to Google the vast majority of mongers and providers) EZ Massage or any other provider advertising GFE means patrons will be enjoying, at a minimum, DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY. The flowery stuff is nice, but not necessary to fulfill the promise of Massage Parlor IMHO.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1414207]book a date with a real high end escort who offers a true GFE.[/QUOTE]No thank you.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1414207]Unfortunately, in Bangkok most girls who bill themselves as escorts are really MP girls being sold at an inflated price. Worldwide, most escorts are just average, because most people are just average. You've got to know which escorts are exceptional; you also have to be prepared to pay what they charge. These exceptional ladies don't come cheap. Oh, and unless you're already a client, [B]they will screen you[/B]. And there's a possibility they'll turn you down because they're picky and have more potential clients than they care to see.[/QUOTE]I get it. Expensive call girls are way better than Bangkok massage parlor girls. Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1414207]It's stupid and silly to define an experience like a GFE with a list of sex acts.

Unless you're dimwitted or socially retarded.[/QUOTE]Damn, why so antagonistic? You win, GFE now means whatever YOU want it to mean. I will alert the rest of the Internet.

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[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1414257]There are a few reviews of EZ girls on ISG, and some of the girls get pretty good reviews (for example, Donut, Miki, Pinky, Yaya and Aida). However, be aware: I think we would all agree that by any definition, GFE includes reasonably enthusiastic DFK; however, according to some of the reviews not all the EZ girls are eager to offer this service. But don't expect to get a real GFE, after all it's only a massage parlor.[/QUOTE]I stopped by EZ for the 1st time a few weeks ago when I was in BKK. I had a "friendly" session with Candy. The vibe was good and so was the sex. No PSE for sure, just a good old fashioned oily shag that included soapy shower, BBBJ, a very brief rim job, DFK, and sex in a couple of positions with an attractive 23 year old girl. Candy looks pretty good in person. She has a nice smile despite her braces and firm "C-cup" natural breasts. She is from Chiang Mai and of Chinese-Thai origin. Her internet pictures are photo-shopped, but still relatively accurate. I believe a GFE relationship with her was offered and available; all I had to do was book her for an outcall a couple times. Fortunately or unfortunately for me, depending on my variable point of view, I had so many, too many other sexy girls to get it on with, that I never made it back to EZ and Candy to develop that particular GFE. Maybe I will stop by EZ next time I am in town and renew the acquaintance. She is a real sweet girl and I think EZ is a good oily massage parlor. I give the place two thumbs up. Note: I think outcall is the way to go once you know which girl(s) you want.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1414492]I stopped by EZ for the 1st time a few weeks ago when I was in BKK. I had a "friendly" session with Candy. The vibe was good and so was the sex. No PSE for sure, just a good old fashioned oily shag that included soapy shower, BBBJ, a very brief rim job, DFK, and sex in a couple of positions with an attractive 23 year old girl. Candy looks pretty good in person. She has a nice smile despite her braces and firm "C-cup" natural breasts. She is from Chiang Mai and of Chinese-Thai origin. Her internet pictures are photo-shopped, but still relatively accurate. I believe a GFE relationship with her was offered and available; all I had to do was book her for an outcall a couple times. Fortunately or unfortunately for me, depending on my variable point of view, I had so many, too many other sexy girls to get it on with, that I never made it back to EZ and Candy to develop that particular GFE. Maybe I will stop by EZ next time I am in town and renew the acquaintance. She is a real sweet girl and I think EZ is a good oily massage parlor. I give the place two thumbs up. Note: I think outcall is the way to go once you know which girl(s) you want.[/QUOTE]Do you get this?

The most sensual and mind-blowing experience in town.

Yes or No?

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1414492]I stopped by EZ for the 1st time a few weeks ago when I was in BKK. I had a "friendly" session with Candy. The vibe was good and so was the sex. No PSE for sure, just a good old fashioned oily shag that included soapy shower, BBBJ, a very brief rim job, DFK, and sex in a couple of positions with an attractive 23 year old girl. Candy looks pretty good in person. She has a nice smile despite her braces and firm "C-cup" natural breasts. She is from Chiang Mai and of Chinese-Thai origin. Her internet pictures are photo-shopped, but still relatively accurate. I believe a GFE relationship with her was offered and available; all I had to do was book her for an outcall a couple times. Fortunately or unfortunately for me, depending on my variable point of view, I had so many, too many other sexy girls to get it on with, that I never made it back to EZ and Candy to develop that particular GFE. Maybe I will stop by EZ next time I am in town and renew the acquaintance. She is a real sweet girl and I think EZ is a good oily massage parlor. I give the place two thumbs up. Note: I think outcall is the way to go once you know which girl(s) you want.[/QUOTE]I've wondered why EZ doesn't generate more reports. Generally, the posts on this thread give its ladies good reviews. You write that the ladies don't give a PSE, but as far as I'm concerned, the services you received, capably delivered by an attractive young lady would certainly leave me satisfied, unless I was in the mood for a wild fuck with a girl who knew how to get really raunchy.

I seem to recall a while back some ISG members were upset that EZ was charging the establishment's fee upfront. Did this happen to you? How much did you tip Candy? Your description of the session with Candy encourages me to look her up on my next trip. She's nice looking on the website, but even the EZ guy who occasionally posts on this thread admits many of the photos look nothing like the girls. I also notice she speaks some Chinese, not too surprising considering her background and where she's from.

I think you're absolutely right about outcall; and several other ISG members have made similar statements. Sometimes I just like to walk into an MP, pick a girl, go to the room and have fun. If I like the girl I'll book her on outcall a few days latter. I've never booked outcall with a girl sight unseen. I notice as soon as I answer the knock on my door and the girl recognizes me she's usually quite pleased, and it's certainly not because I'm young and handsome because I'm not. It's not surprising that the girls like to get out of the shop and see a client in a nice hotel room. I always offer the girl a little something to eat, a beverage and encourage her to relax and enjoy herself. As she's in my room I treat her like my guest. Even if she turns down the offers, she seems to appreciate the gesture. My experience is that in the privacy of my room the girls are more affectionate and put forth a little extra effort.

Hi paul, thanks for answering on our behalf however, I want to point out that not all ladies expect additional tip of 500 baht on top of the standard fees. It is totally voluntary basis if you want to give tip and also at any amount you want.

Personally I myself don't give tips when I go to P4P if the price is all inclusive but if you are very happy with the girl service then why not.

We had customers who do not give tip (perfectly fine since they already paid all inclusive) and also had customers who gave 10, 000 baht tip!

Eden specialises in 2 lady massage but they have mixed reviews. Any other places where I can get the same service?