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[QUOTE=Tucker McElroy; 1195109]I was in the Philippines about a year ago, with the g / f (at that time) in Manila. I believe we were in the EDSA area, and wanted to go slightly out of Manila to visit a cousin of hers. I forget what the name of the place was, but it was about 90-120 minutes to get there with heavy traffic in the city and a rainy rush hour. Much shorter on the return.

Originally the plan was that we were catching a taxi from our hotel to the bus station. But the driver started engaging my g / f in tagalog as to where we were going? I knew this routine and wanted her to shut up, but she was young and naive and started blabbing away. So the guy makes an offer to take us to destination (instead of using the bus) for 500 PHP. It was a rainy night, traveling was a pain in the ass, so we accepted. I wasn't sure what the plan was, how long we were staying, etc. Turned out it would only be about 1 hour.

As we were going there, the guy starts proposing that he wait for us and drive us back too. Proposed 1, 000 PHP to do that. I thought to myself "if he'd do a one way for 500, he should do a round trip for about 800. He's not getting any fares out there to go back to Manila." But, he was going to wait for us, so we agreed to 1000 for the trip. Both me and the g / f understood that.

We finished the visit and went back to Manila to our hotel. I gave him 1, 000 PHP and he starts whining that I owe him 1, 500. I told him "No way. You agreed to 1, 000." He wouldn't give it up and followed us into the hotel. Started a commotion in the lobby that got the concierge and others involved. I told my side of the story and said I was finished with this and went up to my room. It spoiled my mood for the evening.

About an hour later, I get a call from the manager on duty, he wants to come up to my room and talk about the taxi situation. The driver was STILL in the lobby whining, an HOUR LATER!

We talked to the manager. He said he knew that 1, 000 PHP was too low for where we went. I said "Why did he propose that price then? We both heard it." And it wouldn't have made sense to propose 500 one way and 1, 500 for a round trip anyway. Not even with an hour wait at destination. He just kept coming back to "it is too low." I compromised and gave the manager 200 PHP for the driver and told him that was the end of it, and he left.

I have to say it made me a bit paranoid then. If time was of such little value to that guy that he waited around a whole hour arguing his point, maybe he's waiting outside the hotel to ambush me with some of his buddies? We didn't plan to go out the rest of the evening anyway, but the next morning I stepped outside the hotel, looked all around, and promptly had some guy come toward me out of nowhere from across the street. He wanted to hawk something to me or take me somewhere.

Point of this story is that you're always being watched there, and these guys (taxi drivers) have way too much time on their hands, and time is of little value to them. Things that would seem improbable elsewhere might happen in the Philippines because of the small value they place on time.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately these girls talk and interfere with everything. I had the same problem with one GF. She would get into the bargaining if I was going to buy her some clothing or such. Ofcourse it has to be in tagalog. Usually these guys convince her that they are suffering and want more money. In spite me telling her to shut up she feels like she is my GF and can do whatever. These girls feel for taxi drivers etc because they feel you are paying and want to be magnanimous with others. It is always better to pay up extra 500 pesos ($12) to avoid problems irrespective of what was agreed upon. If the driver was asking 3000 pesos total then it would be different.

[QUOTE=Busdood; 1195006]Hey everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself here in this thread. My first post. I'm a single guy, early 30's, never married / no kids. Never had much luck with American women, and I've basically just gotten to a point in my life where I'm sick of trying "here". And I'm not going to pretend to be someone I'm not. I consider myself to be pretty socially inept. But in relatively good shape / decent looking. I have been to the PI 2x. Had a pretty good time overall (and a really good time in bed). But I'm not really into the whole bar or club scene. At least, if I were there long term (my trips were 2 weeks and 3. 5 weeks each). I don't think I would visit any of these places more than 1-2x monthly.

I read Larry Elterman's book and I really like the idea of seeking out 1 (or more) girls needing help with education. And no, I'm not trying to say I'm above the bars or even picking up a street working girl if I feel like it! Also, I'm a fan of the rub and tug. I never sought this out over there, only recently discovered it here back home.

I've tried DIA. And not had alot of luck. Frankly most of these women bore the shit out of me. I think most on DIA are just slightly less desperate / educated than your average bargirl. Just my opinion. Not trying to pass judgement. And of course I'm not above sticking my dick in a dumb girl if we have chemistry.

I'm at a point in my career where I think it might be possible to take 3-4 months (maybe more) off per year. Base out of manila, and hit other spots in SE asia.

I love the USA and the freedoms that this country affords. But I feel like she (the women) doesn't love me. And getting a taste of delicious filipinas changed my perspective so I'm hoping to go back maybe for up to 6 weeks this winter. And much longer next winter. Who knows.

If I can I'll try to offer some insight here or if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

Bus[/QUOTE]Are you just interested in fun or serious about meeting the girl and planning future?

If you are looking for fun only there are many girls who will gladly take your money and be with you whenever you go to Phi.

It does not mean they are monogamous with you only. It is possible she has a BF or many sponsors sending her money especially if she is pretty. You may find some province girls who maybe naive in the begining but catch on fast.

If you are interested getting serious and marrying take your time to gauge the girl. Read all the posts here of people in your shoes. There are many kinds of girls but you maybe lucky to find a gem.

Remember most marriages do not last either because of your mongering habit or the girl uses you.

Whatever it is if you are supporting a girl through college etc come to an agreement with the girl the amount you can send every month.

In my personal experience I have supported 4 Philippina girls. All have been extremely GFE and had a good time with all. They would make time to meet and be with me either in major cities or the nearest provincial towns.

All these girls I have supported were 18-19 years old and from the provinces. I have gone to couple of girls home and met their family. It was a miserable experience seeing poverty.

It is cheaper to support a girl who lives and goes to college in provincial towns. Success rate for me was 75% since only one girl dropped out and got pregnant from her BF. Other girls did well and got good jobs including one who got a nice job in Dubai.

I never worried who they were seeing or having sex during my absence. Since I am a monger I have a mindset that if they want to do it it is their choice, no point in me being jealous. So never asked them about their social life, ofcourse they will never admit if so.

My advice to you is,

1. Do not get all wired up worrying what the girl is doing when you are not there.

2. Do not fall deeply in love unless you want to marry her.

3. Do not send too much money whatever the demands are.

4. Girls come with baggage which is their immediate and extended family. Once they know you support her all hands will be extended for free money.

Since the girl values her relationship with her family more than yours it is hard for her to ignore demands. One girl I visited lived in a fairly good house but sleeping on a uneven floor. I decided to upgrade her floor in her room.

But I had to upgrade the whole house floor. But it did not cost me too much money. Labor is cheap there.

5. Do not get too involved with her family. It is not as glamourous as " Going Tribal "

6. These girls fall in love easily pretended or not. So do not discuss your monger habit and stay away from her pretty friends.

Good Luck!

Yeah that was pretty cheap, but I'm like you I would be pissed if they guy all of a sudden wanted more than what he originally asked. What hotel were you staying at? I would be pissed at the hotel also for sending a manager to my room, the hotel shouldn't be involved in that at all.

[QUOTE=Tucker McElroy; 1195109]I was in the Philippines about a year ago, with the g / f (at that time) in Manila. I believe we were in the EDSA area, and wanted to go slightly out of Manila to visit a cousin of hers. I forget what the name of the place was, but it was about 90-120 minutes to get there with heavy traffic in the city and a rainy rush hour. Much shorter on the return.

Originally the plan was that we were catching a taxi from our hotel to the bus station. But the driver started engaging my g / f in tagalog as to where we were going? I knew this routine and wanted her to shut up, but she was young and naive and started blabbing away. So the guy makes an offer to take us to destination (instead of using the bus) for 500 PHP. It was a rainy night, traveling was a pain in the ass, so we accepted. I wasn't sure what the plan was, how long we were staying, etc. Turned out it would only be about 1 hour.

As we were going there, the guy starts proposing that he wait for us and drive us back too. Proposed 1, 000 PHP to do that. I thought to myself "if he'd do a one way for 500, he should do a round trip for about 800. He's not getting any fares out there to go back to Manila." But, he was going to wait for us, so we agreed to 1000 for the trip. Both me and the g / f understood that.

We finished the visit and went back to Manila to our hotel. I gave him 1, 000 PHP and he starts whining that I owe him 1, 500. I told him "No way. You agreed to 1, 000." He wouldn't give it up and followed us into the hotel. Started a commotion in the lobby that got the concierge and others involved. I told my side of the story and said I was finished with this and went up to my room. It spoiled my mood for the evening.

About an hour later, I get a call from the manager on duty, he wants to come up to my room and talk about the taxi situation. The driver was STILL in the lobby whining, an HOUR LATER!

We talked to the manager. He said he knew that 1, 000 PHP was too low for where we went. I said "Why did he propose that price then? We both heard it." And it wouldn't have made sense to propose 500 one way and 1, 500 for a round trip anyway. Not even with an hour wait at destination. He just kept coming back to "it is too low." I compromised and gave the manager 200 PHP for the driver and told him that was the end of it, and he left.

I have to say it made me a bit paranoid then. If time was of such little value to that guy that he waited around a whole hour arguing his point, maybe he's waiting outside the hotel to ambush me with some of his buddies? We didn't plan to go out the rest of the evening anyway, but the next morning I stepped outside the hotel, looked all around, and promptly had some guy come toward me out of nowhere from across the street. He wanted to hawk something to me or take me somewhere.

Point of this story is that you're always being watched there, and these guys (taxi drivers) have way too much time on their hands, and time is of little value to them. Things that would seem improbable elsewhere might happen in the Philippines because of the small value they place on time.[/QUOTE]

Hey ty all for the warm welcome! I'm well aware of the "game" that goes on between us mongers and the girls. And I do agree that most of them are quite skilled with their "street smarts" lying, manipulations, etc. Before going there, a friend of mine told me that alot of the girls working the trade are not first generation, and have learned these skills from watching basically their whole life.

Now, with that said, I think it's really easy to cut through alot of the BS and simply know where to the draw the line and say NO. If she doesn't like it, fine, onto the next girl. Every girl I've been with there, (If I wanted more than a 1 night stand) I made it clear with early on that my #1 thing I don't like is feeling like I'm being manipulated. So when the "bigyan mo akong pera" starts for always easy to spot, greedy reasons. Aunts medical. Lazy brother needs shoes. Etc, etc, I'm out. Simply because I know she survived without these things before she knew me. Now if I've gotten to know her, and I can see that there are some reasonable needs within her family that I can help with, that is a different story. But it will always be at my discretion.

I'll give a couple examples girl 1 I met first trip at EDSA. Mindanaoan 18yr old dark beauty 9/10 over there. And she'd be an 11 back home. She would stop traffic. Shy at first but amazing GFE. I stayed with her at least 1/2 the trip. She never asked me for anything, though I did take her and her cousin (I should've fucked her too. Differnt story haha) shopping. Always insisting that they get more stuff, and they were always being so modest not wanting me to spend money. I fell for her. It was hard to leave the country. We kept in contact, even though the depth of conversation was very limited. I made my 2nd trip over there and got so wrapped up with girl 2 that I didn't see girl 1 again. She wasnt back in manila until the very end of my trip so that didn't help either.

Girl 1 never asked me for anything. So out of the blue I decided to do something awesome for her. And sent her 100 bucks on her birthday after being out of contact with her for several months. She was so thrilled! And guess what? Not two weeks later she is asking for more money for her "exams". This is the kind of request I just ignore. Don't need to say NO because I've already laid the foundation of what I expect from her. And I figure if a girl doesn't know me well enough to remember my rules, well, she probably doesn't really like or respect me either. So onto the next. I still talk to her occasionally and will definitely see her next time.

Girl 2 I also met at EDSA. She was older (23) , could easily pass for 18 and I was addicted to her pussy from the first moment I experienced it. I knew this girl had "problems" but was obviously educated, and doing the bargirl thing to get her thru her last year of college. After knowing her for a week, I decided to offer to pay her education, but only directly thru her school. I set very clear terms. Also, I was low on cash towards the end of the trip, so I promised to send her "tip" via western union when I got home. Also being very clear about this not being a regular thing. Well I guess we all know how these stories end haha. So I'll just say I learned some important lessons. Maybe the most important being that what you say, and what they interpret (or want to hear) are often 2 very different things. If you're looking to establish relationships with these girls, you simply have to seek out the ones who are the least influenced by their "culture" and the most willing to accept your "no" and realize that you are the boss.

Now, as far as seeking a girl outside of the profession goes. I have a little experience with this in the phils, and as we all know there are many different layers. I met one girl from DIA, but she was cold in bed, though not a virgin, it wasnt hard to tell that she thought she was doing a horrible thing. No money exchanged, just a little shopping for a few things she needed. In the US these women are everywhere, they are even poularized on TV shows like "housewives of orange county" or wtvr the fuck they call it, I don't watch TV! Freebie, I've read alot of your posts, and no doubt I'm going to read more! That is the path I want to be on

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1195196]Are you just interested in fun or serious about meeting the girl and planning future?

If you are looking for fun only there are many girls who will gladly take your money and be with you whenever you go to Phi.

It does not mean they are monogamous with you only. It is possible she has a BF or many sponsors sending her money especially if she is pretty. You may find some province girls who maybe naive in the begining but catch on fast.

If you are interested getting serious and marrying take your time to gauge the girl. Read all the posts here of people in your shoes. There are many kinds of girls but you maybe lucky to find a gem.

Remember most marriages do not last either because of your mongering habit or the girl uses you.

Whatever it is if you are supporting a girl through college etc come to an agreement with the girl the amount you can send every month.

In my personal experience I have supported 4 Philippina girls. All have been extremely GFE and had a good time with all. They would make time to meet and be with me either in major cities or the nearest provincial towns.

All these girls I have supported were 18-19 years old and from the provinces. I have gone to couple of girls home and met their family. It was a miserable experience seeing poverty.

It is cheaper to support a girl who lives and goes to college in provincial towns. Success rate for me was 75% since only one girl dropped out and got pregnant from her BF. Other girls did well and got good jobs including one who got a nice job in Dubai.

I never worried who they were seeing or having sex during my absence. Since I am a monger I have a mindset that if they want to do it it is their choice, no point in me being jealous. So never asked them about their social life, ofcourse they will never admit if so.

My advice to you is,

1. Do not get all wired up worrying what the girl is doing when you are not there.

2. Do not fall deeply in love unless you want to marry her.

3. Do not send too much money whatever the demands are.

4. Girls come with baggage which is their immediate and extended family. Once they know you support her all hands will be extended for free money.

Since the girl values her relationship with her family more than yours it is hard for her to ignore demands. One girl I visited lived in a fairly good house but sleeping on a uneven floor. I decided to upgrade her floor in her room.

But I had to upgrade the whole house floor. But it did not cost me too much money. Labor is cheap there.

5. Do not get too involved with her family. It is not as glamourous as " Going Tribal "

6. These girls fall in love easily pretended or not. So do not discuss your monger habit and stay away from her pretty friends.

Good Luck![/QUOTE]Hey Sammon, I'm not looking to get married. But I wouldn't rule it out. I'm hoping to stay single until I'm 45. Then I wouldn't mind "settliing down" with a girl 1/2 my age and banging out a kid or 2. I have no intention of ever bringing a girl back here.

I have no illusions about monogamy while I'm away, or even while I'm there for that matter.

I haven't sent much money over there. Only on a few occasions to 2 different girls. One for a gift, the other for what I obliged myself to give.

Thanks for the advice!

Bus

[QUOTE=Sammon;1195196]4. Girls come with baggage which is their immediate and extended family. Once they know you support her all hands will be extended for free money. Since the girl values her relationship with her family more than yours it is hard for her to ignore demands. One girl I visited lived in a fairly good house but sleeping on a uneven floor. I decided to upgrade her floor in her room.[/QUOTE]Hi Sammon;

I did not quote your entire post in the interest of brevity, but I must say that to my experience over the past 6 years you were incredibly accurate. I beg to differ on only one point, and that is the point quoted above. With 3 different longtime Filipina girlfriends thus far, I stated at the onset of our relationship that I would take care of her, but would not support her maternal family. I set the boundaries and was prepared to accept the response.

Results:

First time, girl moved to Dubai to support her family and put her sisters through private school. It was not an easy loss, as she was amazing in all respects, but difficult in some.

Second time, girl put all kinds of conditions on the table. Support Mama, Papa, Lola, bla bla. End of second chapter. She was absolutely gorgeous but kinda blah in bed. This was a quick recovery.

Third time, great girl sends me her budget sheet each month and accepts that I support her as I promised I would, without extending to her whole family. This chapter is ongoing, and is going well so far. Yes, I do check the balance sheet each month. She accepted my conditions as stated at the beginning and is demonstrating the same.

Disclaimer: Don't ask me how many Filipinas I dated before I found Miss Third Time. That would be embarrassing and wouldn't get me past an inning of baseballs.

Cheers;

Raz

[QUOTE=RasSpewtin; 1195223]Hi Sammon;

I did not quote your entire post in the interest of brevity, but I must say that to my experience over the past 6 years you were incredibly accurate. I beg to differ on only one point, and that is the point quoted above. With 3 different longtime Filipina girlfriends thus far, I stated at the onset of our relationship that I would take care of her, but would not support her maternal family. I set the boundaries and was prepared to accept the response.

Results:

First time, girl moved to Dubai to support her family and put her sisters through private school. It was not an easy loss, as she was amazing in all respects, but difficult in some.

Second time, girl put all kinds of conditions on the table. Support Mama, Papa, Lola, bla bla. End of second chapter. She was absolutely gorgeous but kinda blah in bed. This was a quick recovery.

Third time, great girl sends me her budget sheet each month and accepts that I support her as I promised I would, without extending to her whole family. This chapter is ongoing, and is going well so far. Yes, I do check the balance sheet each month. She accepted my conditions as stated at the beginning and is demonstrating the same.

Disclaimer: Don't ask me how many Filipinas I dated before I found Miss Third Time. That would be embarrassing and wouldn't get me past an inning of baseballs.

Cheers;

Raz[/QUOTE]With all due respect Raz, Nobody really knows what part of the money you give goes to the family.

As for me giving money to upgrade the floor, It was my decision to help them. Only four in family father, mother, younger sister (very cute as well) 12 years old. These people had a house and farmland had a business selling feed for animals which was a shack on the roadside. Father worked on the land and went fishing as well. He asked me to join him fishing. But I declined mainly because I do not want to get close to the family. The girl did save money and bought a moped and we went everywhere on that with her driving. The family was surprised why I did not drive. I am not into causing a accident and detained by police. Comparatively this family lived better than others. But I guess very few in Phi put lots of money into the house for better living. I think it is because there is no safety net system.

[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1195197]Yeah that was pretty cheap, but I'm like you I would be pissed if they guy all of a sudden wanted more than what he originally asked. What hotel were you staying at? I would be pissed at the hotel also for sending a manager to my room, the hotel shouldn't be involved in that at all.[/QUOTE]I forget if it was Ermita or Edsa, and I forget the full name, but it was a Best Western. And now that you mention it, yes, I agree that the hotel manager should have told the guy to get out instead of trying to act as arbitrator. But who knows if the 200 PHP I gave actually got to the driver? The manager may have just pocketed it. And as annoyed as I was at the driver changing his story, frankly I'd be happier if the manager kept the 200 PHP and ripped me off in the process of ripping the taxi driver off too, cause that driver deserved it. If that driver would have just been honest from the start, instead of playing games. .

And from Sammon's quote "It is always better to pay up extra 500 pesos ($12) to avoid problems irrespective of what was agreed upon."

Yes, I agree fully on a common sense and personal safety standpoint. But sometimes (especially in the heat of the moment) it's hard to get beyond the thought that paying up supports and perpetuates that nonsense, so I need to dig in my heels and fight it.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1194093]When one discusses the racism of another race there is always the danger of projecting one's personal view points, prejudices and racial beliefs upon the race in question. White Westerners will inevitably see Filipino racism through the prism of their own history of enslavement and exploitation of other races. It is impossible for them to divorce their long held beliefs and emotions from any interpretation of racism among other peoples. Whenever Europeans enslaved and committed genocide against another race it was necessary to resolve this with their Christian dogma of 'love your fellow man as you love yourself. ' This was done by depicting the race that was targeted for aggression and subjugation as less human, and therefore not a fellow man. This freed them from any obligation to act in a civilized manner towards the inhabitants of any land that was plundered for its resources. So, understandably when white Western males speak for Filipinas as far as their racial views are concerned I am inclined to view it with much skepticism. After all, the racist legacy left behind by Western colonialism was a construct imposed on the native population to benefit those of European ancestry and deprive the indigenous people of any opportunity for advancement under colonial rule. The results of this institutionalized racism are seen in today's failed state of the Republic of the Philippines. When Westerners chafe at the corruption, inefficiencies, and lack of property rights and justice for outsiders it might do them well to remember under whose tutelage the Filipinos developed this society.

White or light skinned Filipinos may constitute the majority of the ruling class. However, it might be going too far to say that white or light skin is a ticket into the ranks of the elite. There are many light skinned prostitutes selling their asses in the various paid sex venues of Manila. Obviously, white skin does little to improve the lot of those unfortunate individuals as they are still being mounted and pounded by scores of sex tourists as are their darker sisters in Angeles City.

If there is a white skin benefit when it comes to valuing a person it certainly does not apply to foreigners. It is well known that Filipinos appear to murder, rob, defraud, and imprison white foreigners with reckless abandon. One might even say that being a white foreigner in the Philippines is a liability due to the regularity that this demographic is targeted for such treatment at the hands of locals.

As you can see this issue is rather complex, and as many Philippine social issues, can hardly be explained by sex monger sociologists. As anyone can see from reading the thousands of anecdotes posted on the forum mongers are at a lost when it comes to deciphering individual Filipina behavior much less that of the population at large. Even PhDs in sociology would find the often contradictory behaviors and beliefs of Filipinos a challenge to study and explain.[/QUOTE]Really, White westerners should understand the state of racism or prejudice in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Busdood;1195209]! Freebie, I've read alot of your posts, and no doubt I'm going to read more! That is the path I want to be on[/QUOTE]Hi there, nice to know you enjoyed. Long time ago I realised I liked the bs that there is in bars and girls trying to be nice to you. Had many friends in most of Burgos bars and a few Edsa bars.

They are fun places but limited for me, in that my trips are usually of short duration (4 days max) so one night in the bars is good, but I much more enjoy the "poo-say " chase.

That sweet thrill of meeting a cutie for first time knowing it will end well. (don't forget that one out of ten isn't going to be same as her pic / cam and may well be ugly / fat or pregnant or all 3. Thats always fun to deal with) Theres also the thrill of meeting a repeat who knows you are a sex hungry fiend but is happy to comply.

Some of these gals can be super sweet and some will shyly hint at wanting something material. For me I give something to all anyways as it ensures repeats. And sometimes gets me an intro to a sister or cousin.

Next trips agenda is being worked out as I write, and will feature during a 72 hour stay 2 new ones (22 and 30) one I haven't seen for 6 months (22) , one I haven't seen for 2 years (24) and a repeat form last trip (21 ). I'm waiting for a confirmation from Miss 24 then my dance card is full. Fun awaits. Love playing this game. Enjoy yours!

[QUOTE=Sammon;1195192]Unfortunately these girls talk and interfere with everything. I had the same problem with one GF. She would get into the bargaining if I was going to buy her some clothing or such. Ofcourse it has to be in tagalog. Usually these guys convince her that they are suffering and want more money. In spite me telling her to shut up she feels like she is my GF and can do whatever. These girls feel for taxi drivers etc because they feel you are paying and want to be magnanimous with others.[/QUOTE]Ooooooh man this is soooo true. Sympathy / Empathy or just showing off her new found wealth? Probably both in most cases. Pinoys are huge show off's and always loyal to everyone else ahead of YOU.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1195192]It is always better to pay up extra 500 pesos ($12) to avoid problems irrespective of what was agreed upon. If the driver was asking 3000 pesos total then it would be different.[/QUOTE]Well, I would say this, when you are in a third world tribal country like the Phils don't get into pissing matches with the locals. They will gang up on you in the blink of an eye. These latin temperament people are not amenable to shouting / anger. Always keep smiling, keep very calm & try bluffing them with quiet authority e.g. Pull out your cell phone and when they ask who you are calling (they will) , tell them 'my friend Senator (insert name) '. Connections and political power are feared / respected.

AV

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker;1195080]Before you fly off to the Philippines take 1/2 of your savings and give it to a good friend and tell him to hold on to it for you. Then you will have something to come back to when those dumb Manila girls spit you out. They may seem dumb by your standards but they don't lack in social skills. Keep one hand on your wallet and the other on your dick. Goodluck![/QUOTE]Excellent advice Tally Wacker! Even salty old monger dogs would do well to heed it. Anyone dismissing Filipinas as dumb better hold on for a wild ride. Most of them may not be able to solve a calculus problem but they probably have a much higher degree of emotional intelligence than most mongers who are buying poo-say precisely due to being socially inept. Relatively wealthy Westerners are particularly ill-prepared for what they will encounter when they go chasing Filipina poo-say. In places like the United States many people grow up having their own room, personal belongings, a car and spare cash. They rarely have to borrow or share things. The culture is very individualistic and people dislike living in close quarters.

Filipinas, on the other hand, grow up sharing a bed with siblings even into adulthood. Several family members may share a bedroom. Almost everything is shared. Due to living under those conditions they develop an ability to recognize and capitalize on subtle emotional cues. They learn to override their own emotions or channel them in order to obtain their needs and wants. Their ability to be in tampo yet respond to your sexual needs then promptly return to tampo while claiming nothing is wrong says a lot about their finesse at manipulating men. Western women respond more crudely at not having their way with verbal confrontations and outright denial of sexual access. This is more likely cause men to become defensive and withdraw. The cunning Filipina way may have the guy going out of his way finding ways to cheer her up. For a Western guy, cheering a woman up usually means opening the wallet.

Filipinas can be quite patient before fleecing the sheep. I know a gentleman who married one of these supposedly dumb Filipinas from the provinces. She waited until he bred her a few times and funded the construction of 3 houses for the family then she started telling him that he had done nothing for her. He went to a lawyer to evaluate his options only to find out that an annulment would cost him his Philippine residency visa. He could either put up with her and the family or return to Europe minus his Golden Fleece and children. They are adept at draining your balls and your wallet. In addition to keeping one hand on your wallet and one on your dick, you might one to keep one over your asshole too.

Old timers will already know that AV and X don't really like each other very much. Mostly because I lack tact when I point out things I disagree with. I will offer the utmost and respectful tact when I say I politely disagree with the strategy of claiming to know a Senator. I will respectfully agree with EVERYTHING AV says after the word "senator" is written. The stuff before that is very good advice. X.

[QUOTE=Amavida; 1195366]Ooooooh man this is soooo true. Sympathy / Empathy or just showing off her new found wealth? Probably both in most cases. Pinoys are huge show off's and always loyal to everyone else ahead of YOU.

Well, I would say this, when you are in a third world tribal country like the Phils don't get into pissing matches with the locals. They will gang up on you in the blink of an eye. These latin temperament people are not amenable to shouting / anger. Always keep smiling, keep very calm & try bluffing them with quiet authority e. G. Pull out your cell phone and when they ask who you are calling (they will) , tell them 'my friend Senator (insert name) '. Connections and political power are feared / respected.

AV[/QUOTE]

Something else to remember, as I have mentioned many times on this board, never take a taxi in front of your hotel. Go out, walk a block or two, then grab a taxi. I try to do this when returning to the room, but would be the first to admit I do not always remember.

[QUOTE=Tucker McElroy; 1195109]I was in the Philippines about a year ago, with the g / f (at that time) in Manila. I believe we were in the EDSA area, and wanted to go slightly out of Manila to visit a cousin of hers. I forget what the name of the place was, but it was about 90-120 minutes to get there with heavy traffic in the city and a rainy rush hour. Much shorter on the return.

Originally the plan was that we were catching a taxi from our hotel to the bus station. But the driver started engaging my g / f in tagalog as to where we were going? I knew this routine and wanted her to shut up, but she was young and naive and started blabbing away. So the guy makes an offer to take us to destination (instead of using the bus) for 500 PHP. It was a rainy night, traveling was a pain in the ass, so we accepted. I wasn't sure what the plan was, how long we were staying, etc. Turned out it would only be about 1 hour.

Point of this story is that you're always being watched there, and these guys (taxi drivers) have way too much time on their hands, and time is of little value to them. Things that would seem improbable elsewhere might happen in the Philippines because of the small value they place on time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv;1196573]Something else to remember, as I have mentioned many times on this board, never take a taxi in front of your hotel. Go out, walk a block or two, then grab a taxi. I try to do this when returning to the room, but would be the first to admit I do not always remember.[/QUOTE]Henry, what's the reasoning behind this? I always take a taxi from my hotel. I let the hotel guys get the taxi for me and tell the driver where I'm going since there's a better chance it'll be understood. They always make sure the driver uses the meter because I hear the word "meter" a few times when they're taking. Then they fill out the form with the drivers cab number in case they shut the meter off and give it to me. I seem to have better odds that the driver uses his meter for the whole trip than if I get a taxi off the street, although I have to say I usually don't have much issue with that since they usually start it up after I ask for it a few times.

What's the downside of using a taxi from in front of the hotel?