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[QUOTE=Stakeout;1174602]Next door to the famed [B]Devil's Den[/B] Is a new place called [B]Heavenly Inn[/B]. Has anybody [B]tried this place? [/B] They don't seem do have a webpage, but it looks like Devil's Den (girls sitting around a table outside). [B]Does the place operate like Devil's Den? Price? [/B][/QUOTE]It's a part of the DD establishment. It's just were they have the rooms. If you pay by card at DD it will appear on your statement as Heaven Inn
When I was in Pattaya last time, six months ago, I really enjoyed the Happy gogo bar on Walking Street. So now when I returned to Pattaya I naturally went back there. I took a quick walk around the stage and noticed that all the girls looked plain, so I left straight away without sitting down.
The next night I thought I would give the place a new chance. Maybe the decent looking girls had already been barfined yesterday? However, at the door the doorman held up a sign with some Thai characters and "200 baht", which I interpreted as meaning the place was full so I have to pay entry. Needless to say, I didn't go in.
The third day, I went back and was again met by the 200-baht sign, which I thought was weird since it was quite early in the evening, maybe 9. 30.
After more than a week without going to Walking Street I returned and thought I would give Happy a last chance. This time I was let in without a problem and, as usual, I walked quickly around the stage to see if there were any good looking girls, but unfortunately all of them were very plain looking.
Now is when things got really weird. When I move towards the exit a doorman gives me a slight shoulder tackle and says something angrily. I try to open the exit door but he has locked me in. The doorman starts shouting at me, and motions me outside, unlocks the door, lets me out and continues his rant outside the door.
"Next time you pay 200 baht looking fee!", he shouts at me furiously and tries to look intimidating.
Aha! So that's why he held up the sign the previous times, I thought. He had recognized me and was angry for something which I thought was a totally acceptable behaviour. He thought I just went in to steal a free glance, whereas I always want to see what the girls look like before I sit down and order a drink. I have always thought it was okay to walk around the stage quickly and then leave (I have never seen a negative reaction to this before) , but when I think about it, most other punters don't do that. They just go in and sit down and order a drink, regardless of what the girls look like.
What is your opinion on all this? Are you obliged to buy at least one drink if you enter a gogo, or is it okay to leave after 30 seconds if you don't like what you see on stage?
[QUOTE=Stakeout; 1175177]When I was in Pattaya last time, six months ago, I really enjoyed the Happy gogo bar on Walking Street. So now when I returned to Pattaya I naturally went back there. I took a quick walk around the stage and noticed that all the girls looked plain, so I left straight away without sitting down.
The next night I thought I would give the place a new chance. Maybe the decent looking girls had already been barfined yesterday? However, at the door the doorman held up a sign with some Thai characters and "200 baht", which I interpreted as meaning the place was full so I have to pay entry. Needless to say, I didn't go in.
The third day, I went back and was again met by the 200-baht sign, which I thought was weird since it was quite early in the evening, maybe 9. 30.
After more than a week without going to Walking Street I returned and thought I would give Happy a last chance. This time I was let in without a problem and, as usual, I walked quickly around the stage to see if there were any good looking girls, but unfortunately all of them were very plain looking.
Now is when things got really weird. When I move towards the exit a doorman gives me a slight shoulder tackle and says something angrily. I try to open the exit door but he has locked me in. The doorman starts shouting at me, and motions me outside, unlocks the door, lets me out and continues his rant outside the door.
"Next time you pay 200 baht looking fee!", he shouts at me furiously and tries to look intimidating.
Aha! So that's why he held up the sign the previous times, I thought. He had recognized me and was angry for something which I thought was a totally acceptable behaviour. He thought I just went in to steal a free glance, whereas I always want to see what the girls look like before I sit down and order a drink. I have always thought it was okay to walk around the stage quickly and then leave (I have never seen a negative reaction to this before) , but when I think about it, most other punters don't do that. They just go in and sit down and order a drink, regardless of what the girls look like.
What is your opinion on all this? Are you obliged to buy at least one drink if you enter a gogo, or is it okay to leave after 30 seconds if you don't like what you see on stage?[/QUOTE]I don't think you should be required to pay a fee; however, I think it is polite to but a drink if you go inside. The price is cheap enough. When I go in I may get something cheap and then do a walk around before they bring it to the location I plan on sitting down at. I will normally walk around right from the get go. Additionally if I like it then I may order a few drinks there. If I don't then I leave (Sometimes without finishing the drink, just to avoid too many ladies coming up to me when I am not interested). I think its just being polite. Most strip clubs have an entrance fee in most countries. Going into a place, the least you can do is buy a drink.
[QUOTE=Stakeout;1175177]...What is your opinion on all this? Are you obliged to buy at least one drink if you enter a gogo, or is it okay to leave after 30 seconds if you don't like what you see on stage?[/QUOTE]I'm a frequent customer of Happy. I've seen Japanese, Korean, and Farang customers come in, walk around the stage, and then leave many times without any interference from the doorman.
I've never heard of such a thing as you describe in any Walking Street go-go bar, but I have seen them turn away Indian and Arab customers before they can get through the door. If you meet that description it might explain why they treated you that way.
[quote=daddy07; 1175240]i'm a frequent customer of happy. i've seen japanese, korean, and farang customers come in, walk around the stage, and then leave many times without any interference from the doorman.
i've never heard of such a thing as you describe in any walking street go-go bar, but i have seen them turn away indian and arab customers before they can get through the door. if you meet that description it might explain why they treated you that way.[/quote]i am north european (fair skinned and fair haired) and not too scruffy looking.
by the way, i forgot to say, i did get the 200-baht sign a couple of times six months ago, but then it was late at night som i assumed they were full.
so, apparently the sign says "looking fee 200 baht" (because this is what the angry doorman said). why not write "looking fee" in english so people understand? and morevoer, since 200 baht is twice the price of a drink. would would pay the looking fee instead of a drink? i think what he means with the sign is "i recognize you and know you sometimes just take a quick peek and then leave. this annoys me. if you do this again you have to pay 200 baht when leaving".
this brings me to another question. thais in general don't read and write the roman (falang) alphabet, do they? they don't really have any real use of it, compared to learning english phrases phonetically, which they really have use of. same as us falangs. we learn som thai phrases, but learning their alphabet is a bit of a stretch for most of us.
[QUOTE=Stakeout;1175177]I have always thought it was okay to walk around the stage quickly and then leave (I have never seen a negative reaction to this before) , but when I think about it, most other punters don't do that. They just go in and sit down and order a drink, regardless of what the girls look like.[/QUOTE]Not true, I scope out clubs all the time to see if anything catches my eyes before I decide to stay and I see many others doing the same thing but what is it about Happy that made you keep going back even after you said the girls looked so plain. There are so many other bars in town that this should not even be an issue for you. Surely you won't visit them again, will you?
[QUOTE=Jon1283;1175221]I think its just being polite. Most strip clubs have an entrance fee in most countries. Going into a place, the least you can do is buy a drink.[/QUOTE]Well, I always try to be polite when scanning the place, smiling and greeting everyone in Thai. But how am I supposed to know I am obliged to buy a drink if I go inside, even if the place is horrible? And talking of polite, how polite was the doorman to me?
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1175253]Not true, I scope out clubs all the time to see if anything catches my eyes before I decide to stay and I see many others doing the same thing[/QUOTE]What do you mean by "not true"? I wrote that most people who enter a club tend to sit down more or less where they are told, without first walking around the club's stage and scoping the talent, like you and me.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1175253]what is it about Happy that made you keep going back even after you said the girls looked so plain.[/QUOTE]I have already explained why: "The next night I thought I would give the place a new chance. Maybe the decent looking girls had already been barfined yesterday?"
If you have had a bargirl for LT (for which I usually pay them 1 000 baht) and wish to keep your bargirl over the next day, meaning from breakfast till the early evening, how much will the girl generally want for this (apart from you naturally paying for her expenses during the day)?
[QUOTE=Sunlover2; 1174592]Agreed. For me attitude is twice as important as looks. Quantified it would look something like this:
(looks x 1) + (attitude x 2) /3 = overall rating.
So a 10 looks and 7 attitude lady would rate an 8.
And a 7 looks and 10 attitude lady would rate a 9.
SunLover[/QUOTE]Just had a 15.
Looks 9 plus attitude 3 plus pussy smell 3 equals 15. We had a great time. Drinks, food and then to bed. Yes I had to pay a Go-Go Bar Fine and more than the 50 Baht Beach Road price but this is what I like and don't mind doing for a sexy young girl with great attitude and great smelling pussy.
[QUOTE=Stakeout; 1175177]When I was in Pattaya last time, six months ago, I really enjoyed the Happy gogo bar on Walking Street. So now when I returned to Pattaya I naturally went back there. I took a quick walk around the stage and noticed that all the girls looked plain, so I left straight away without sitting down.
The next night I thought I would give the place a new chance. Maybe the decent looking girls had already been barfined yesterday? However, at the door the doorman held up a sign with some Thai characters and "200 baht", which I interpreted as meaning the place was full so I have to pay entry. Needless to say, I didn't go in.
The third day, I went back and was again met by the 200-baht sign, which I thought was weird since it was quite early in the evening, maybe 9. 30.
After more than a week without going to Walking Street I returned and thought I would give Happy a last chance. This time I was let in without a problem and, as usual, I walked quickly around the stage to see if there were any good looking girls, but unfortunately all of them were very plain looking.
What is your opinion on all this? Are you obliged to buy at least one drink if you enter a gogo, or is it okay to leave after 30 seconds if you don't like what you see on stage?[/QUOTE]I think it is the frequency of your visits that pissed him off (he could have been having a bad day or week as well) Remember where you are talking about, they will always try to invent new ways to separate you from your money. When I am on holiday, I try to keep a low profile and would not go back to a place that is so confrontational. There are many other places that deserve your business.
Can any experienced mongers comment of the quality of talent in the bars and / or go-gos that are not located in the touristy parts of Pattaya? I found this post about bars in an area past Sukhumvit. Please read the complete post FIRST.
[blue][i]<<Welcome to the 'Dark Side' Most people visiting Pattaya will more than likely have heard of Pattaya's 'Dark Side' but, for those new to Pattaya and for those who haven't let me explain what, and where the 'Dark Side' is.
People going on holiday / vacation to Pattaya, Thailand will have no doubt heard of its vibrant colorful nightlife, or to put it another way 'sex industry' and if that's what you are looking for in a holiday / vacation then Pattaya is the place to be, where even the oldest codger can feel young again. Providing he has money in his pockets that is!
Although the main beer bar complex's, 'Entertainment zones' are found between Pattaya's beach road and second road, more and more are opening further a field. Soi Bhukhoa (Bukow) and Soi LK Metro are only a short walk away from Pattaya beach and are becoming more popular with first time visitors and expats a like.
All of Pattaya's beer bar complexes are with in walking distance or can be reached by Baht bus in a matter of minutes. However if you do not fancy doing your 'courting' under the bright lights and load music of Pattaya City or, are just looking for something different then why not venture out to Pattaya's 'Dark Side' A part from money don't forget to take a towel and your swimming trunks! Even if it is 10PM.
Firstly let me dispel the rumors. Pattaya's 'Dark Side' has nothing to do with it being a place where you will have to go to to find 'gay men' or 'ladyboy's' A visit to Pattaya's 'Dark Side' does not mean you are gay or 'experimental' Yes, gay men and ladyboy's can be found in the 'Dark Side' but there again they can be found everywhere in Pattaya. Neither does the 'Dark Side' have any thing to do with 'Star Wars' and Darth Vader, So, I would not suggest taking the children!
Pattaya's 'Dark Side' is simply a common name given to the area east of the Sukhumvit road and the train tracks that lie just beyond it. The 'Dark Side'. A large area of Pattaya that is mainly without street lighting. The area is very popular with expats as you will see by the number of gated / secure housing complexes. Land prices and therefore rents are considerably cheaper in the 'Dark Side' Also, living on the 'Dark Side' means having to drive in to Pattaya. A bit like going out on a Saturday night in your country, it's nice to make the effort every now and then. The 'Dark Side' is relatively a haven of piece and tranquility on the edge of insanity!
Where there is housing, there are people, and where there are people in Pattaya, there are going to be beer bars, and beer bars employ bar girls or hostesses. There are more than fifty beer bars in the area known as the "Dark Side" nearly all of them have 'short time rooms' Where you may take your "new girlfriend" for some horizontal exercise for a small fee. Some of the beer bars even have 'swimming pools' too. Having never been in to one of these establishments? I will have to leave it to your imagination has to what happens in this type of beer bar.
For a really great night out, get together with your friends, hire a Baht bus for the evening and do some exploring in the beer bars of Pattaya's 'Dark Side'
Popular beer bar areas are Soi Nernplabwan, Soi Crocodial, Soi Khao Noi, Soi Khao Talo, Soi Siam Country Club.>>[/blue][/i]
I am also looking for recommended places to visit in Naklua and Jontiem. Or should I not even bother = stick to South Pattaya because it is all the "Same Same"? I will be there during high season, first week of December. Last time I was in Pattaya was 2008.
[quote=sangkid; 1175296]rubbish. i never enter a club and never buy a drink. from time to time i do see some idiots, scoping out clubs, walking around like they think they know it all and expecting girls to fall at their feet. maybe even seen you. do you get away with it in your own country?
bars change from week to week. girls change. managers change etc. etc. what's good one week can be bad the next week and vice versa. that's the way it is so why shouldn't he keep going back to happy.[/quote]i don't see anything wrong with going into a club and having a quick look around to decide whether you like the ambience, the layout, the number of girls, the noise level, etc etc. probably most of the time you can get that from a peek around the curtain, but a quick look around shouldn't be a problem to the management. why should it?
never been to a strip bar in my country, but plenty of times i've walked into a pub then decided i didn't like it and walked out. what's the big deal?
if you walked into a club and there were 2 ugly girls. 50 punters and no seats, would you stay? of course not.
[QUOTE=Stakeout;1175250]This brings me to another question. Thais in general don't read and write the Roman (Falang) alphabet, do they? They don't really have any real use of it, compared to learning English phrases phonetically, which they really have use of. Same as us falangs. We learn som Thai phrases, but learning their alphabet is a bit of a stretch for most of us.[/QUOTE]There are four parts to literacy: reading, writing, listening, and speaking. I would not say there is an "in general" as far as your question is concerned. I would say it depends on how far the paticular person went in school. Most Thais who speak English learn it as a second language in public school. And the first thing you are taught when you learn a foreign language is the alphabet for that language. Then there are the other Thais who will have learned English informally and on the fly. This includes some taxi drivers, street corner salespeople, and such. They are able to speak minimally, and listen for understanding when you speak slowly and clearly, but maybe not read or write. Anyway, I have noticed that the people who speak basic English and above are able to read and write it, so they do in fact have use for the Roman alphabet.
[QUOTE=Stakeout;1175267]If you have had a bargirl for LT (for which I usually pay them 1 000 baht) and wish to keep your bargirl over the next day, meaning from breakfast till the early evening, how much will the girl generally want for this (apart from you naturally paying for her expenses during the day)?[/QUOTE]I've had tonnes of luck getting extra time by saying I want the girl to stay. Offer food etc and say that you will go to the bar and pay tomorrows barfine right away. This happens before the bar is opened so no need for lady drinks etc. Or on other occations I've had girls say that common phrase around the extra tip."Up to you". In that case it's up to you and you may get a little puppy dog sad face if your tip is light but whatever you think is right is the right answer.
Paying the next day bf is the way I go often but your YMMV.
Crusty