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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1779562]Although it is possible that some in your bunch may be on the game, why do you want to treat women who are not hookers that way when there are plenty of hookers around that you can pump and dump?[/QUOTE]I think for some guys it is important to feel like they "got game. " Never understood that and I always took it as a sign of insecurity. P4 P is great. It's a guilt free transaction for both parties.
It seems everyone read my post in a manner that am being the bad guy with pump and forget intention. I did mention that I intend to keep up with someone who is ultimately my type on long term basis.
Again to clarify, I have not promised anyone marriage nor a long term companionship just to get them laid. The girls on these apps have sent me their naked pics in just few hours of our interaction / chat so let me specify they definitely know what's in it for everyone involved. Although some did come across as really possessive and jealous with whom I tried to strike off at that instance. Somehow I didn't want any surprises after I meet them and face such a scenario where they latch on to me and don't let go. Yes I will enjoy the usual experience of bar girls, soapies and massages when there just like everyone else but if I can find a regular girl I don't think there is any harm. For people lecturing me on morality am sure there are many who have steady Gfs or wives back at home and still indulge in P4 P. I Am no different from the rest.
All I want to know was general advise on how to handle Thai girls as it is my first time with Thai non wgs and if you read all I asked was to know best way to not hurt them if things are not good enough for mE!
Peace out to all!
[QUOTE=HornyLandoora;1779601]It seems everyone read my post as my way of being the bad guy with pump and forget intention. I did mention that I intend to keep up with someone who is ultimately my type on long term basis
Peace out to all![/QUOTE]Do not worry. There are many who do not have enough to do other than to criticise. If you run back just ten pages on one thread you will find that one member has posted nearly 30 posts.
Unless you lapse into totally bureaucratic language dotting all the "I's" and crossing all the "t's" someone will make every effort to misinterpret what you say.
Carry on providing interesting and helpful posts.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1779555]That's why only dealing with professionals is so much easier: they understand you pay them to go away.
Probably the best procedure is to let the relationship fizzle out. After the night together, be very vague about your immediate plans so she cannot latch on to you (a meeting with another farang friend is always a good excuse). Do give her some money as a gift so she can buy something nice for her. If she is really a non-pro, 1000 to 1500 baht will already go a long way. From then on, answering slowly on her line-messages will surely gets the message across that you to will not become one item.
But if you made her believe you are a prime candidate for marriage, then you only deserve what you got yourself into![/QUOTE]Thanks. I get the point and I have not made such promises nor I live in BKK and visit only a couple of times a year. I was just trying to understand how Generally Thai girls are in such matters! I don't want one to bed and then she starts contemplating marriage after that!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779583] <SNIP>
. . . .I don't mind if girls just tell me. I can move on to something else. Not keen on just getting a distance silent treatment though. [/QUOTE]This line made me laugh Syz.
You are talking about my ex-wife, and probably a few million other "western" women who presume that men are able to read what is in their heads every moment of every day.
[QUOTE=HornyLandoora;1779601]It seems everyone read my post in a manner that am being the bad guy with pump and forget intention. I did mention that I intend to keep up with someone who is ultimately my type on long term basis![/QUOTE]Yeh, great if you can find girls who want you, just for the sex. There must be a higher percentage of girls looking for a long term boyfriend, I am guessing (no expert). Why would young pretty girls want an old guy like me? Even if horny, what would make them pick me for a try out on the bed? I was surprised when a 35 year old stylish type of Thai girl (Isaan) was interested in me just after breaking up with her former BF. Or could be she just pretended. Messaged me every day (which is no proof). LOL Has two kids already, so that may limit her opportunities for a young new man. Told me that one Farang fell for her (supposedly) within just 4 weeks, but he wasn't her type. Said he tended to act like he was superior and "god's gift" so that the girl should be in love with him too. LOL She indicated she orgasms with really great difficulty (only occasionally), so perhaps his sexual performance wasn't good enough too. (she did not mention this. I only speculate) LOL. Unfortunately for her, I have not left my existing GF who is both slightly prettier and better body as well. I paid her for sex. Was good but I was not immediately spellbound. She can try heaps of guys and see if she can find a really good guy.
Lets be clear. Thai girls that start hooking (P4 P), can be looking for a permanent man too. In the meantime getting money to support the kids, and some good sex (some bad sex). Some guys think a hooker never enjoys it. LOL That really is a funny thought for me. Some don't. Some can, especially after a few "leg openers", they can forget themselves and get carried away. Recently had a couple of working girls who could even orgasm fairly easily in mish position. Okay One had had no sex for quite a period beforehand. The other, Mai at Can Cam, just a very sensitive girl.
I would guess that of the guys in my home country with a Thai wife, perhaps 50% of these wives were once P4P to some extent. Some of these relationships work out in the long term. Some don't. Just the same as the non P4P Thai wives don't always work out either. Are the odds any better? I don't know.
I believe it is very unwise to pick up any girlfriend too quickly, and sexual compatibility is an important factor. Not a great Idea to go looking for a girlfriend. Looking for good sex makes more sense.
Some of us ISGers have a wife or GF, that we might need to ditch, much more importantly than getting a new GF or extra GF. In this case, P4 P is the better option to fill in the gaps in sex life. For single guys unattached, playing the field is normal, I guess. Unfortunately, I have never been totally single (no girlfriend) for more than 1 year maximum. Stupid man, that I am. LOL. Tend to pick up girlfriends accidentally without exactly meaning too. That is why P4 P is a much better plan for some of us.
Hats off to guys out there who can find a gik girl that wants to keep on fucking them regularly with no strings (not a girlfriend) and no payment or support. At my age, I think this is a bit unrealistic for me, especially as my preference is for rather pretty girls well below my age. There is/are girl(s) who would like me to be their permanent man, but that is different. That is relatively easy to find in Thailand. So many girls out there want/need a good man. It's not just wanting a gik fuck though. I know more than one guy who met his future wife on his first day in Thailand. LOL The girl sees a man unattached, can't believe her luck, and just pounces. The man is overwhelmed and can't escape.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779691]I believe it is very unwise to pick up any girlfriend too quickly, and sexual compatibility is an important factor. Not a great Idea to go looking for a girlfriend. Looking for good sex makes more sense.[/QUOTE]Sexual attraction fades for both partners in just about all relationships; compatibility in other areas is far more important. I can go out and get laid whenever I want to. Meeting someone I really get on with is special. I've been with my gal for over 8 years. Sex is a rare event and that does not bother either one of us. We still have a great if not better time together now then we did when we first me. Our personalities are complimentary. We have very similar senses of humor, are both not jealous types, and not touchy feely romantics. Hell she even has one more advanced degree than I do. Over the 8 years together I think we have raised our voices to each other 2 or three times. Its great. We both enjoy out time together. As far as sex is concerned if she goes out and gets laid, so what? If she does, she is discreet as am I. So, no harm no foul.
It's kind of the "Asian" way. People here compartmentalize their lives. I think there is some wisdom in that. Gals who might make good long term partners might not be the best sexual partners and vice versa. Westerners tend to have the romantic notion that you can find everything you want in one person. Asians tend to know better.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779691]Yeh, great if you can find girls who want you, just for the sex. There must be a higher percentage of girls looking for a long term boyfriend, I am guessing (no expert). Why would young pretty girls want an old guy like me? Even if horny, what would make them pick me for a try out on the bed? I was surprised when a 35 year old stylish type of Thai girl (Isaan) was interested in me just after breaking up with her former BF. Or could be she just pretended. Messaged me every day (which is no proof). LOL Has two kids already, so that may limit her opportunities for a young new man.
[/QUOTE]Things that limit a Thai girl's chances on the marriage market are:
* over 30.
* previous marriage.
* children.
* having her own job, especially when she also holds a degree.
Many of these ladies are on TF and clearly mention "if you are looking for holiday GF, search next profile". The market of (older) farangs seems to be their major hope.
It is funny to note that few are looking for guys younger than themselves. That is something that is "not done" in their culture perhaps?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1779971]Things that limit a Thai girl's chances on the marriage market are:
* over 30.
* previous marriage.
* children.
* having her own job, especially when she also holds a degree.
Many of these ladies are on TF and clearly mention "if you are looking for holiday GF, search next profile". The market of (older) farangs seems to be their major hope.
It is funny to note that few are looking for guys younger than themselves. That is something that is "not done" in their culture perhaps?[/QUOTE]I've met a few girls off off DIA, TF and PinaLove and bedded them all on the first meeting. I would agree with all of your points except the I'm not a 'holiday GF' disclaimer. Putting that in her profile allows her some cover should it be seen by friends or family. Any girl that wants to meet on arrival or wants to plan an entire day with you is flying UTR. I prefer to think of them as Sugar Babys, girls that are willing to provide what we need, but can't or don't want to be seen in a typical monger spot. These girls have a regular life but need some help when the bills come due. Maintaining the illusion of no P4 P is very important to them but they always appreciate a generous travel allowance or gift for their next shopping trip. It's important to be sensitive to their needs concerning these 'little white lies'. As long as I'm getting laid, I could care less. The advantage to me is that these girls tend to be low mileage and less jaded than their more professional counterparts.
[QUOTE=JoshInyu;1780080]These girls have a regular life but need some help when the bills come due.
The advantage to me is that these girls tend to be low mileage and less jaded than their more professional counterparts.[/QUOTE]I have to agree 100% with you here Josh. A few days back I had recounted an experience in BKK. The thread is here.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1776013[/URL]#post1776013.
The point I am making it such girls could bump into you on the street or in a mall or in a restaurant or in the sky train or even inside a temple. One needs to be always alert to opportunity and never feel shy about asking. What's the worst possible outcome? Hearing "No"?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1779914]Sexual attraction fades for both partners in just about all relationships; compatibility in other areas is far more important. I can go out and get laid whenever I want to. Meeting someone I really get on with is special. I've been with my gal for over 8 years. Sex is a rare event and that does not bother either one of us. We still have a great if not better time together now then we did when we first me. Our personalities are complimentary. We have very similar senses of humor, are both not jealous types, and not touchy feely romantics. Hell she even has one more advanced degree than I do. Over the 8 years together I think we have raised our voices to each other 2 or three times. Its great. We both enjoy out time together. As far as sex is concerned if she goes out and gets laid, so what? If she does, she is discreet as am I. So, no harm no foul.
It's kind of the "Asian" way. People here compartmentalize their lives. I think there is some wisdom in that. Gals who might make good long term partners might not be the best sexual partners and vice versa. Westerners tend to have the romantic notion that you can find everything you want in one person. Asians tend to know better.[/QUOTE]I have GF 10 years now. Sex is not quite rare but not often enough. I am am not at all bored to fuck her. Always fun. I would like to get it 4 times a week when in Thailand or more but don't get that much. Hence haven't managed to cut the mongering.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1780120]I have GF 10 years now. Sex is not quite rare but not often enough. I am am not at all bored to fuck her. Always fun. I would like to get it 4 times a week when in Thailand or more but don't get that much. Hence haven't managed to cut the mongering.[/QUOTE]I can stay interested in P4 P gals because I only repeat about every six weeks. Usually no matter how good looking or skilled a gal is I only want to do her every month or so.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1780085]I have to agree 100% with you here Josh. A few days back I had recounted an experience in BKK. The thread is here.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1776013[/URL]#post1776013.
The point I am making it such girls could bump into you on the street or in a mall or in a restaurant or in the sky train or even inside a temple. One needs to be always alert to opportunity and never feel shy about asking. What's the worst possible outcome? Hearing "No"?[/QUOTE]Yes BC, your report is a great example of 'freestyling' which is finding and taking advantage of a target of opportunity in the wild. While not common, being vigilant and open to the opportunity when it presents itself is essential. Having just a little bit of game helps as well but you don't need to be Casanova. Dressing nicely, being well groomed and treating them with a modicum of respect will increase your chances of success. Mongers are unlikely to be able to play in this pool if they're wearing flip-flops and a wife beater or you treat them like a girl you pulled off the stage in RB4. I like the less transactional feel of these types of encounters but I don't delude myself into thinking she would be in my bed sans the prospect of being rewarded.
Everyone is different, but a mix of chat girls, pro's, massage girls, and the occasional freestyler works well for me.
[QUOTE=JoshInyu;1780343]Yes BC, your report is a great example of 'freestyling' which is finding and taking advantage of a target of opportunity in the wild. While not common, being vigilant and open to the opportunity when it presents itself is essential. Having just a little bit of game helps as well but you don't need to be Casanova. Dressing nicely, being well groomed and treating them with a modicum of respect will increase your chances of success.[/QUOTE]I love reading these stories, and I have related several similar experiences (mostly in Philippines and Vientiane / Luang Prabang, Laos but also occasionally in Bangkok).
It is best never to go out EXPECTING a chance meeting like has been described in BC and JoshInyu's posts WILL happen but, as Josh points out,[I] while not common, being vigilant and open to the opportunity when it presents itself is essential. [/I].
In my experience, if I go out alone with the specific intention of having a good dinner and NOT seeking a companion, I can be reasonably sure that someone will pop up unexpectedly out of the woodwork.
Hello guys,
I am sorry if this question is out of place but I am planning to travel to Thai next month. I am planning to carry my tobacco smoking pipe and some tobacco. I needed to know if smoking a pipe is allowed and more importantly is carrying one to Thailand is allowed? Do we have any other pipe smokers here on the forum?