[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1781631]Unless I am missing something there is no live video on Line.[/QUOTE]LINE gives you the option of making a call or a video call. I've had several video calls with a girl I met last trip while I've been home.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1781631]Unless I am missing something there is no live video on Line.[/QUOTE]LINE gives you the option of making a call or a video call. I've had several video calls with a girl I met last trip while I've been home.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1781631]Unless I am missing something there is no live video on Line. You need Skype, Tango, or Viber for that. I don't ask to see a girl on video first. I am usually on the fly and don't have time for such things anyway. But there are different strokes for different folks. My girlfriend sends me pictures everyday whether I am in town or not. She will leave my place and go to work and send pictures. And I am thinking why do you send all these damn pictures everyday. Of course I would not say that to her though. That is her thing so I just let it be.
You also have to remember that a video only tells part of the story. For one you really can't see if someone has fucked up teeth. You also can not tell little weird stuff about folks that you may be sensitive to.
I was dating a girl in Barranquilla, Colombia and one of her friends met an Australian guy online. They professed their love for each other and the guy soon went off to the boring city of Barranquilla. Well what he did not know from the video is that there was something wrong with the way this girl walked. Lo and behold, he ended up not being in love with her after all and spent most of his trip without her after meeting in person.[/QUOTE]For one, LINE does have video call facility. And I totally agree with you that many of us may not have the time or inclination to indulge in such activities as check photos carefully for flaws or watch videos in HD for any potential surprises. One has to remember that the girl will also be putting up her best act when she is sending a pic or getting on a video call. Don't we do it at a conference call?
The videos and pics give you an added sense of security that you "know" the girl you are about to meet. But nothing can replace the actual time spent in the interview or the first date (I may call that a date).
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1781631]Unless I am missing something there is no live video on Line.
I was dating a girl in Barranquilla, Colombia and one of her friends met an Australian guy online. They professed their love for each other and the guy soon went off to the boring city of Barranquilla. Well what he did not know from the video is that there was something wrong with the way this girl walked. Lo and behold, he ended up not being in love with her after all and spent most of his trip without her after meeting in person.[/QUOTE]Sure LINE has Video Call where What's App does not. LINE video is clearer than Skype if have a good connection but seems to stop or drop out more often than Skype. Skype uses heavy Gigabytes.
I don't see why would not see the teeth, maybe not in sharp focus. Amazing teeth is not that important to me, although my GF coincidentally has reasonably nice looking teeth.
Anyone that "falls in love" online is pretty dumb IMHO, and anyone in love after just a few weeks is also kidding themselves. Could be totalling sexually incompatible for example. Some of my relationships failed due to sexual incompatibility. Don't see that a strange walk is the most important aspect at all. I believe I would take a girl with a limp no problem if everything else was great. I don't know any stunning girls with a limp so it's a bit academic. I have met a girl with some major non-perfection that did not put me off at all.
Anyone that falls in love very quickly will also fall out of love very quickly. It's not "real" for me. Fast love is for young people I guess. Last time I was starting to fall for a girl after a few months including fabulous sex, it wasn't too devastating that she found another younger and richer man. Obviously I wasn't too far gone on her, even she was very special. We are still in contact and I still feel a lot of desire for her, just not to a crazy level. If she becomes unsatisfied with her new "husband", I am still around. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781548]ET,
I don't have this experience, as have a long term GF, but it all makes logical sense and it seems very believable. Its like everything you say is what I would probably guess to be the case, except maybe I would expect less girls to be willing to fuck straight away and more girls to have more old fashioned values, even though using a very modern approach to dating.
I recently met a classy looking girl that broke up with her man not long, and initially supposedly was not fucking anyone for a period of time. Sent me plenty of messages, and eventually we got to bed. She was enthusiastic, but was a girl very hard to cum indeed. I had to work real hard to get her there. Extremely long DATY was needed, maybe over 30 minutes. She said her previous Farang BF never made her cum at all.
In the end, I thought, Gee my girlfriend has been treating me better lately (more sex and no arguments), cums easy like a steam train (no stopping her), and is actually better looking than the other girl in both face and body. Every day that my GF fucks me, I don't need to go out and get something else. Sex with GF is not boring after 10 years, is bareback of course, just can be infrequent at times. Never need to use any Viagra with this girl. She is a big turn on. Sometimes she even lets me have a sexy shower with her. Soaped each other up today (but don't get this too often)..[/QUOTE]Syzygies,
I can relate to the occasional hard labor cum girl. Although I would bet, like me, you have found that is somewhat rare with Thai girls. But it does happen. Have you noticed how relatively easy it is for Thai girls to cum compared with Western girls? Especially when we DATY? But at a certain point with some women, we just have to let it go and accept the fact that, after we have tried virtually every trick in the book, given her a variety of techniques in terms of DATY, fingers, toes, boom-boom from this or that angle for this long or this deep and the opposite of all of that, all the while being especially attentive to signs of encouragement for this way or resistance to that way, in the end the woman's orgasm is her responsibility, not ours. If there is a magic button to push a certain way for a certain amount of time, she will simply have to declassify those state secrets. We love to deliver orgasms and do our best to deliver them exquisitely. But if it just isn't in the woman to orgasm in the presence of another person, or ever, it is best to stop trying and leave it to her to deal with, which she may never bother to do.
Funny thing is, a couple of the absolute most devoted and loving women I have ever been with are two that I more or less gave up trying to make cum. One is a girl I see quite often. She is always smiling, always happy, great fun to be with, pleasures me to perfection orally, boom boom, any way I want. She Line's me multiple times per day, is always there for me at the drop of a hint I'd like to see her. Yet she is one of the most non orgasmic women I have ever known. And she seems delighted to have it that way and make it all about my pleasure instead. Well. OK. All good.
On your question about video chats on Line normally happening or not, I would say it is more common for the girl to request an on-the-spot photo of me rather than video. Although the video chat does happen occasionally. I think Thai girls on these dating sites tend to prefer the exchange of photos rather than a live video because a live video puts pressure on them to speak English during the video as well. My experience has been that, unless the girl is very fluent in English, she is more comfortable exchanging on-the-spot photos and typing out a chat instead of trying to understand your English and speaking English herself during a video chat.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781825]If she becomes unsatisfied with her new "husband", I am still around. LOL.[/QUOTE]Reminds of Barney in How I Met Your Mother where says "Together, we will own this city. Anytime a girl wants to get back at her ex-boyfriends, we'll be there. Anytime a girl wants to solve her father issues through promiscuity and binge drinking, we will be there. Anytime a bachelorette party drives through the city in a limo, sticking their heads out the sunroof, shouting, "What's up, New York," we will be what is up New York. " Hyuk!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1781829]Syzygies,
I can relate to the occasional hard labor cum girl. Although I would bet, like me, you have found that is somewhat rare with Thai girls. But it does happen. Have you noticed how relatively easy it is for Thai girls to cum compared with Western girls? Especially when we DATY? But at a certain point with some women, we just have to let it go and accept the fact that, after we have tried virtually every trick in the book, given her a variety of techniques in terms of DATY, fingers, toes, boom-boom from this or that angle for this long or this deep and the opposite of all of that, all the while being especially attentive to signs of encouragement for this way or resistance to that way, in the end the woman's orgasm is her responsibility, not ours. If there is a magic button to push a certain way for a certain amount of time, she will simply have to declassify those state secrets. We love to deliver orgasms and do our best to deliver them exquisitely. But if it just isn't in the woman to orgasm in the presence of another person, or ever, it is best to stop trying and leave it to her to deal with, which she may never bother to do.
Funny thing is, a couple of the absolute most devoted and loving women I have ever been with are two that I more or less gave up trying to make cum. One is a girl I see quite often. She is always smiling, always happy, great fun to be with, pleasures me to perfection orally, boom boom, any way I want. She Line's me multiple times per day, is always there for me at the drop of a hint I'd like to see her. Yet she is one of the most non orgasmic women I have ever known. And she seems delighted to have it that way and make it all about my pleasure instead. Well. OK. All good.
On your question about video chats on Line normally happening or not, I would say it is more common for the girl to request an on-the-spot photo of me rather than video. Although the video chat does happen occasionally. I think Thai girls on these dating sites tend to prefer the exchange of photos rather than a live video because a live video puts pressure on them to speak English during the video as well. My experience has been that, unless the girl is very fluent in English, she is more comfortable exchanging on-the-spot photos and typing out a chat instead of trying to understand your English and speaking English herself during a video chat.[/QUOTE]In my case English would not be a problem since I speak Thai much better than most girls can speak English. So Thai is my natural language of choice even with girls good at English.
I am very persistant. I hate too loose with a girl. So I have very good stamina to try DATY for a very long time, trying different styles till see which way she seems to respond most to. Very few girls will give verbal signs that we are hitting just the right spot. I am old and have a lot of experience and was well trained by a Thai girl 20+ years ago. I usually only fail with Thai girls if she just doesn't want it. I agree Farang girls are more difficult overall and some Thai girls are extremely sensitive indeed to extent that just two minutes of good DATY can make them explode. Typically these are not hookers. However Mai in Can Cam was so sensitive I believed she had 4 orgasms in our session. She is a newbie not yet jaded.
With this topic we risk Dan coming in and teaching us his hand girl wanking technique yet again. He is obviously a hand specialist where I am a DATY specialist. Sometimes I use both.
One Farang girl I had this year needed to smoke during Daty in order to cum. Thought that was funny.
Most hookers find it unexpected that I am a customer and yet willing to give very extended Daty up to 30 mins. Most guys are not going that far I believe. Breathing enough air can be a problem in very long non stop Daty.
Tongue is a very powerful organ with endless stamina. Jaw gets tired long before. BBBJ can be very tiring for girls not used to it. Non hookers.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781986]
Breathing enough air can be a problem in very long non stop Daty. [/QUOTE]A nice compliment I received for providing extended oral services rendered: 'It helps to be able to breathe thru your ears'.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781986]IWith this topic we risk Dan coming in and teaching us his hand girl wanking technique yet again.[/QUOTE]A "well lubricated hand", if I remember correctly.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781986]...Most hookers find it unexpected that I am a customer and yet willing to give very extended Daty up to 30 mins. Most guys are not going that far I believe. Breathing enough air can be a problem in very long non stop Daty.
Tongue is a very powerful organ with endless stamina. Jaw gets tired long before. BBBJ can be very tiring for girls not used to it. Non hookers.[/QUOTE]The key to my enduring, even enjoying extended expert DATY sessions as well as the girl being much more comfortable about giving extended BJ sessions is body position. In fact, it is key to enjoying even short bouts of either act, IMO.
The typical position one assumes to deliver DATY, in a bed, laying on your stomach between the girl's legs while she lays on her back, is not very conducive to a comfortable DATY experience, extended or brief. You are generally propped up a bit on your elbows, meaning one hand might be available for assist but rarely both at the same time. Even if you get creative with a pillow or two you're still hyper-extending your back, gravity is working against you in terms of your upper body mass.
So too with the typical positions a girl assumes while giving you a BJ. If she and you more or less reverse the above positions, now she is propping herself up with one or two elbows, with the added problem of dealing with her hair unless she has enough forethought to pin it back (or you have asked her to). Again, gravity is working against her on her upper body and head. About two minutes in, expect most girls to exhibit some discomfort in their shoulders and neck area. Often they will do so because they know from past experience that this position is pretty horrible after 10 or 15 minutes so they are trying to signal this better end sooner rather than later, bud. And if she is kneeling in front of you, there is the sore knees problem.
A much better alternative for the DATY / BJ experience is to make sure the room you are in has a sturdy vanity table or a desk and an arm chair that fits under it. Also a couple of small ottomans are invaluable for this and other sexual position purposes. Most decent hotel rooms have the vanity table / desk and chair option, although many only offer a stool or non arm chair to go with it. However, unfortunately, very few Short Time rooms whose purpose is specifically to provide a place for sexual frolics rather than a good night's sleep rarely do. And virtually no BJ bars in the city offer this kind of furniture option in their BJ cubicles and rooms. Strange. You can be certain the smoothie Love Apartment is fully equipped with a great one! Haha.
The idea then is for the person getting a BJ or on the being eaten side of DATY to sit on the vanity table or desk (preferably on a couple of pillows), legs apart, feet anchored firmly on the arms of that chair, while the person performing the act sits in that chair and digs in with mouth and, if so desired, both hands. No gravity issues, no sore elbows, no sore knees issue, no hair falling in front of the girl's face while she is blowing you. And the person doing the work can sit there and tease the recipient along for a very, very long time before the shattering climax, in relative comfort.
The above vanity table / desk and arm chair set up works especially well for receiving blowjobs, I assure you. It is a much better position for the girl to be in while giving a BJ and it works much better for me than laying flat on my back in a bed. But for delivering DATY, I do prefer to have the girl sitting close to the edge of the bed, her back and head resting on a mountain of pillows behind her, while I kneel on a pillow on the floor between her legs. But what about her dangling feet you may ask? That is where those two small ottomans come in handy. Place them on each side of you next to the bed directly under her feet and you're both good to go. Yes, in this case I am kneeling. But I find that my kneeling for an extended period of time on a pillow for this particular act is not nearly the hardship that extended kneeling appears to be for a girl giving a blowjob. So I am OK with that.
A vanity table or desk can be had for less than 1000 Baht. And even the cheap plastic patio type arm chairs you find at Big see are fine for this purpose. A couple of small ottomans, the kind that double as collapsible storage boxes, can be had for less than 300 Baht each. The entire expense for a ton of flexible sexual usage (the ottomans also come in handy for bedside doggie position boom boom! So for a one time expense of about 1500 Baht every Short Time room and every BJ bar cubicle in the city could be supplied with items that really and truly can provide a variety of far more comfortable and effective options for giving and receiving DATY and BJs, as well as FS.
Yet almost none of the owners of those venues bother to do it or even give it a thought. Too bad really. A bed or couch, not matter how plush, does not qualify for providing a pleasant environment or set up for great DATY and BJs, IMO. If I ever walked into a Short Time room or a BJ bar cubicle and saw a vanity table / desk and arm chair along with a couple of small ottomans I would know the owners of this venue are really thinking about what they are trying to provide the customer with rather than only coming up with the bare minimum bed and floor or couch and floor options.
ET,
Thanks for a different report. I rarely find I have the right equipmemt at hand for a relaxed DATY. I will try your advice whenever possible. I have had a girl on an armchair but there was no desk.
Some girls know how to swivel their hips to make it easy and some make it really hard. I don't even have the right furniture set up at home. Maybe can manage it in a hotel room.
I like to DATY my girls while I'm standing but you do need some strength to get them raised up above your head. The newfound sense of such height while being eaten out really brings out the orgasms. And if they tend to kick too much I position myself under the ceiling fan.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1782709]The key to my enduring, even enjoying extended expert DATY sessions as well as the girl being much more comfortable about giving extended BJ sessions is body position. In fact, it is key to enjoying even short bouts of either act, IMO.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the reliable 69 position with the girl lying comfortably flat on her back, her head resting on 1 or 2 pillows, legs spread wide and bent at the knees, while you straddle her face on all fours, both hands free to roam, with comfortable access to all her pussy parts, and your dick dangling into her mouth where she can pleasure it for a long time in total comfort. The girl's love it and so do I.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1782709]The key to my enduring, even enjoying extended expert DATY sessions as well as the girl being much more comfortable about giving extended BJ sessions is body position. In fact, it is key to enjoying even short bouts of either act, IMO.[/QUOTE]Agreed! The Playboy Hotel has always had those gyno chairs, but lack another chair to sit it. Most ST hotels and Oily / Soapy rooms are not equipped properly either. Perhaps you could become a consultant!
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1783096]Agreed! The Playboy Hotel has always had those gyno chairs, but lack another chair to sit it. Most ST hotels and Oily / Soapy rooms are not equipped properly either. Perhaps you could become a consultant![/QUOTE]Wow. I am pleased and, frankly, surprised to see several posters appreciating my "proper DATY / BJ-giving and receiving furniture set up" observations. I honestly expected to read recommendations to "get a life", "who cares if there is any furniture in the room? "I'm fine with a BJ even while straddling a picket fence in a wind storm" type posts. Haha. I clearly underestimated the understanding and attention given to detail in these matters by this esteemed group.
Dr. BJ's Salon makes the same mistake with their set up as the Playboy Hotel you mentioned. There is a nice comfy chair (except for one cubicle that has a chair that is fixed in a reclining position way too extreme. I avoid that particular cubicle at all costs), but only one small stool for the customer to rest only one foot on. If the good Dr would just see fit to put two small stools in his Salon's cubicles along with a place for the girl to sit a bit more comfortably between the customer's legs, that customer would also have a much better place to anchor BOTH feet instead of having his legs dangle uncomfortably off the edge of the chair. I assume the percentage of two-legged customer over one-legged customer in the place is quite substantial.
I know of only one BJ bar environment in Bangkok where it appears someone gave at least passing consideration to what might be a better body position for the customer when getting a blowjob and for the girl giving a blowjob other than simply a bed and the floor or a chair and the floor. That is one of the VIP rooms in Magic Table on Soi 7/1. In at least one of their VIP rooms there is couch that is elevated because it rests on top of two large ottomans. The ottomans stick out beyond the edge of the couch enough to offer a place for the customer to anchor his feet (or they can be scooted out enough to do so before the festivities commence) and there is a space between the two ottomans for the girl to kneel or to sit on a third ottoman available in the room. The slight elevation of the couch puts the man's package at just about the right face level for the girl kneeling or sitting before him without her having to scrunch over in the usual gravity-battling position. And the two support ottomans can be scooted further apart or closer together to suit the preference of the customer.
But that is the only BJ room / cubicle or Short Time room in the city that I am aware of where it appears the designer made an effort to provide something that might actually make getting and giving a blowjob more comfortable and, ultimately, more pleasurable beyond "here is your chair, there's the floor, go for it. "
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1783090]Don't forget the reliable 69 position with the girl lying comfortably flat on her back, her head resting on 1 or 2 pillows, legs spread wide and bent at the knees, while you straddle her face on all fours, both hands free to roam, with comfortable access to all her pussy parts, and your dick dangling into her mouth where she can pleasure it for a long time in total comfort. The girl's love it and so do I.[/QUOTE]I wish I enjoyed the 69 position that much as I agree with you that some of the logistical problems are solved by going that route. But my problem with it is it puts her tongue on the wrong side of my dick, the top side, rather than the underside where I much prefer it to be.