Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2705219]Her ads were gone for about 2 months, but looks like she's back. The fiwfans girl that changed my mind about fiwfans, Teya, has her ad up again. I think her pics represent her very closely. Not too much P.S. Going on. I'm not in Thailand anymore to partake. But I had one of my best sessions in BKK with her.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rad4t7krkkytz5[/URL][/QUOTE]Sup mate, do you know how to use this?

Like where can I type location where I can meet girls and then I know how to use line, but not know how to navigate?

Other websites are also cool, thanks!

No short time rooms open at Nana Plaza. You have to go off property to Boom Boom.

Looks like opening of a big Nana bar was a dud. Seems more cops showed than Thai bevy of beauties. Billboard?

Rainbow one way outdid themselves. Can't see them making a return on their money. Too opulent for such a small venue.

How is Spankys considered better than Rainbow 4? Spankys top 5 girls no where near as pretty as Rainbow 4 girls. Pre Corona.

All above Stick cliff notes version.

Any on the ground Biots comments?

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2702000]Sadly MR only has like 6 black chicks and Smooci has none.
Any African lovers in here? Where do you typically find your ladies? Is the best way still about endlessly strolling sukhumvit soi 4-11, in hope to spot some black ladies? That's a bit tedious.[/QUOTE]Yesterday evening I saw 3 African girls between soi 3 and soi 11 on Sukhumvit, when I was walking back to my hotel. They were sitting at those pavement bars, or whatever you call them.
One of them was rather pretty, one was doable, and one was butt ugly. IMHO anyway.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2705884]Yesterday evening I saw 3 African girls between soi 3 and soi 11 on Sukhumvit, when I was walking back to my hotel. They were sitting at those pavement bars, or whatever you call them.
One of them was rather pretty, one was doable, and one was butt ugly. IMHO anyway.[/QUOTE]I bet the Ugly one is most fun.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2705788]No short time rooms open at Nana Plaza. You have to go off property to Boom Boom.

Looks like opening of a big Nana bar was a dud. Seems more cops showed than Thai bevy of beauties. Billboard?

Rainbow one way outdid themselves. Can't see them making a return on their money. Too opulent for such a small venue.

How is Spankys considered better than Rainbow 4? Spankys top 5 girls no where near as pretty as Rainbow 4 girls. Pre Corona.

All above Stick cliff notes version.

Any on the ground Biots comments?[/QUOTE]If I were a boozer I might follow Stickman's recommendations for where to get happy hour booze discounts. But I would never follow his advice on which bars have the better girls or "is doing the go-go bar thing right". Actually, I wouldn't follow anyone's advice on such a thing since the one girl who rocks your world in terms of looks, attitude, service levels and value for money could pop up the skankiest bar in the city at 9:15 pm while every girl available in Rainbow Whatever Top Tier Girls BS could be total duds and a huge waste of money.

But in Stickman's case he was touting how great the line up and girls in this or that bar were for years then finally reminded his readers he'd been in a committed relationship and hadn't barfined a girl in decades or something like that. I honestly believe he thinks line ups and bargirls are "great" if they smile a lot when they talk you into buying them their umpteenth Lady Drink and that's it. And I suspect any bar that allows him mostly free reign to photograph their girls and post their highly doctored photos on his site will have "the best line up" of any bar until he has posted the last of those photos.

All of that said, this notion that the line up in this or that particular bar is great because it used to be pre-Covid just doesn't work anymore. Hard to explain, but that isn't the way things are now. Not yet anyway. As bars have reopened, bar names have changed, locations in the Plaza have changed, staff has changed. One night or at some bars the deal for the girls is they are on commission only for Lady Drinks. The next night or in other bars the deal is the girl gets a 500 baht daily salary for just showing up, there is no Lady Drink or Barfine quota that if they miss it their monthly salary is reduced and therefore they are under zero pressure to go with a customer. Many girls are happy to get their 500 baht daily salary and some Lady Drink commissions and no way will go with a customer. Girls have told me in their bar the first two Lady Drinks is 100% for the bar with no commission for them. In at least one other case the girl said the mamasan who brought her to that bar gets the commission for the first Lady Drink she scores every night she works there.

I have gone into some go-go bars after skipping a week or two and not seen one girl in them that I saw two weeks earlier.

The point being, it really is a night by night, hour by hour round robin musical chairs deal with these bars for now. And on the streets as well. Hell, I actually saw 5-6 genuine lookers standing on Soi 4 tonight, Wednesday night, I'd never seen before! And I wouldn't be surprised if I never see them there again.

Up until this past week, Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays were very slow in Nana Plaza. Few of the more attractive girls who perhaps were working mostly for Lady Drink commissions bothered to show up because so few customers were showing up on those nights. Butterflies' reopening was on a Wednesday night and the whole Plaza was dead. The big opening of "Blondie's" in the old Rainbow 1 location is scheduled for Thursday. I have booked one of my favorite repeat FLs for a Long Time that night starting at around 7 PM and this sweet young 20 year old student in need of tuition assistance is too frightened by the scene to even stop at the entrance to Nana Plaza as we stroll by on the way back to my room. So I won't be there for that event. But I'll get there soon enough.

I honestly don't know if you would even recognize the line up at Spanky's or any of the Rainbow bars these days. And there is certainly no reason to think the owner or mamasans in any one bar has a lead on all the best looking girls in the provinces to recruit while others do not. Not these days. Whoever shows up shows up. And half of the ones who showed up last week might never show up again and they'll be replaced by other girls who show up.

Maybe when every go-go bar in Nana Plaza has reopened and has been open for six straight months without any issues there will be some semblance of consistency in terms of the looks of the line ups, the likely level of service in this or that one and so on.

I will say this about those YouTube videos that have been referenced here; don't the people shooting those videos choose the slowest and least crowded and eyeballing hours and days of the week to wander around with their supposedly hidden cameras? And, again, a video of the entrance to a particular go-go bar at 10 PM last Friday won't tell you what things are like inside that go-go bar or what the line up will be like next Friday night.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2705972]If I were a boozer I might follow Stickman's recommendations for where to get happy hour booze discounts. But I would never follow his advice on which bars have the better girls or "is doing the go-go bar thing right". Actually, I wouldn't follow anyone's advice on such a thing since the one girl who rocks your world in terms of looks, attitude, service levels and value for money could pop up the skankiest bar in the city at 9:15 pm while every girl available in Rainbow Whatever Top Tier Girls BS could be total duds and a huge waste of money.

But in Stickman's case he was touting how great the line up and girls in this or that bar were for years then finally reminded his readers he'd been in a committed relationship and hadn't barfined a girl in decades or something like that. I honestly believe he thinks line ups and bargirls are "great" if they smile a lot when they talk you into buying them their umpteenth Lady Drink and that's it. And I suspect any bar that allows him mostly free reign to photograph their girls and post their highly doctored photos on his site will have "the best line up" of any bar until he has posted the last of those photos.

All of that said, this notion that the line up in this or that particular bar is great because it used to be pre-Covid just doesn't work anymore. Hard to explain, but that isn't the way things are now. Not yet anyway. As bars have reopened, bar names have changed, locations in the Plaza have changed, staff has changed. One night or at some bars the deal for the girls is they are on commission only for Lady Drinks. The next night or in other bars the deal is the girl gets a 500 baht daily salary for just showing up, there is no Lady Drink or Barfine quota that if they miss it their monthly salary is reduced and therefore they are under zero pressure to go with a customer. Many girls are happy to get their 500 baht daily salary and some Lady Drink commissions and no way will go with a customer. Girls have told me in their bar the first two Lady Drinks is 100% for the bar with no commission for them. In at least one other case the girl said the mamasan who brought her to that bar gets the commission for the first Lady Drink she scores every night she works there.

I have gone into some go-go bars after skipping a week or two and not seen one girl in them that I saw two weeks earlier.

The point being, it really is a night by night, hour by hour round robin musical chairs deal with these bars for now. And on the streets as well. Hell, I actually saw 5-6 genuine lookers standing on Soi 4 tonight, Wednesday night, I'd never seen before! And I wouldn't be surprised if I never see them there again..[/QUOTE]I'm Locked and Loaded. Got my Thai Pass QR code.

Looking to stay at MBK Mercure for $53 at night. Also Asok Red Planet for $20 at night.

Should be in Nana Plaza in less than 48 hours.

First night in that alley near Nana Plaza. White Orchid got rooms for like $20, knarly but conveniently convenient.

Any on the ground boots reporting on Cowboy?

No need to report on Patpong.

I won't even ask about Huay Kwsng where I spend my Sex money at. 9 out of 10 sessions are in Huay Kwang area.

I have the opportunity to visit Bangkok in August after almost 7 years, I understand it cannot be like it was, but do you suggest the trip? I always had fun with snowhite and similar, as well smooci, I lovw this crazy town.

I got all the hints ion this forum please is it similar to old days?

Thanks for help in advance.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2705218]I think I went to Dr BJ 5 years ago just to be able to say I went to a BJ bar. Is it the one with the sofa and curtains? If so, I did not have a great time there. But that may have been due to bad timing (mid day). Wood bar probably picks up later, around 7-8 pm.[/QUOTE]I hit up Wood (Dr BJ) recently. There were two girls lounging out front. One was pretty enough so I picked her. She was Gai (and yes, I know what that means.) and cheerfully took me upstairs to a tiny room with a sink where she washed my cock and at my request applied a condom (I was seeing my GF later and wanted to be 100% safe). Gai dutifully got on her knees to suck and. She was terrible! I considered asking her to stop but I was already 800 be in so I let her finish. I thought she might just give up on me as it too a long time for me to fill the condom with hot cum. I decided not to tip for a toothy, grinding BJ! But. Undeterred, a few days later I later hit up Duangporn's Haven where once again I had the choice of two girls, and only one was doable. I took Ying (a slightly plump Isaac girl dressed like a regular secretary) upstairs to the tiny, filth room where I stood on a stool while she washed me up and then seated me down on a lounger for a BBBJ. She was a real pro: deep, long confident stroked into her eager mouth and I soon shot a big load into her mouth, which, if she spat it, I did not see her do it. Tipped her and visited the miserable toilets before departing.

I was in Billboard last night. Top floor of Nana Plaza, for those who don't know. Must have been the first time in about 5 years or so that I have set foot in Nana Plaza.
The line-up was better than I expected. Not top-notch but decent enough.
Initially the girls were not interested in an old - late fifties - guy like me (except for an ugly fat one that I ignored), but to my surprise after about 15-20 minutes a rather good looking girl wanted to sit with me.
I had a good time with this sweet and skinny 23 yo from Sisaket. In exchange for two lady drinks her tongue was deep in my mouth, initiated by herself, and I was allowed to grope her up. She tried to persuade me to barfine her, and the more I hesitated, the harder she tried. Initially she wanted 3000 baht for a ST, but soon she dropped to 2500, and in the end even 2300 when she said '3000, including barfine'.
Nevertheless I declined, for several reasons. I already had a girl earlier that day, she was a bit too skinny to my taste, and I was rather tired. So I gave her a 200 baht tip, and she left me.
It's often hard to resist these girls, but when I saw her about 10 minutes later in the bright lights of the toilet area, I didn't regret my decision. She was only average, and less attractive than I thought.
Total damage 500 baht, for 2 Heinekens (one of them was on the house), and 2 lady drinks. Plus 200 baht tip, as already said.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2706125]I was in Billboard last night. Top floor of Nana Plaza, for those who don't know.[/QUOTE]I was there too, I got in around 8 pm when they were doing to two for one offer. I had a nice view of the revolving stage with the girls in the jacuzzi behind me. I did not think much about the girls, there are few good looking enough that I would be interested in. After I finished those drinks I went off to Spankys which was a little better, at least the girls were topless. The best entertainment was the couple who were there, the girl was really into partying with the girls and two guys, an Indian and then a sihk tried to make moves on her. She continued to party and then someone persuaded the guy to take his shirt off and dance with the girls on stage.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2705972]
This sweet young 20 year old student in need of tuition assistance
[/QUOTE]Sounds good.

I will hit you up for an introduction next time I am back in Bangkok.

Happy to help out a "good" struggling student.

It's so easy to get pussy in Bangkok. This one joined us spontaneously in an open air restaurant in Soi 11.
But as quite often is the case with Thai pussies, it was hard to tell if she was a real pussy or not.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2706268]It's so easy to get pussy in Bangkok. This one joined us spontaneously in an open air restaurant in Soi 11.
But as quite often is the case with Thai pussies, it was hard to tell if she was a real pussy or not.[/QUOTE]Haha. And I actually logged in to see the photo.

Thats one hairy pussy.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2705219]Her ads were gone for about 2 months, but looks like she's back. The fiwfans girl that changed my mind about fiwfans, Teya, has her ad up again. I think her pics represent her very closely. Not too much P.S. Going on. I'm not in Thailand anymore to partake. But I had one of my best sessions in BKK with her.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rad4t7krkkytz5[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting site. Some lovely popettes there But the Google auto translate is insane.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2705478]I'm here in the States now, bored and waiting. Like wake up, bake, coffee, and read here.[/QUOTE]Baking? Pies? Cakes? Cookies?

[QUOTE=Bunky;2706514]Baking? Pies? Cakes? Cookies?[/QUOTE]Possibly cookies, but probably easier to smoke for our esteemed correspondent.

Unfortunately unfortunate circumstances.

My Thai tourist visa 60 day good as gold.

Problem is airline wanted a Valid Thai pass to go with it.

Mine was issued in May where you get 7 day before and 7 day after to enter. So 14 days to enter. Things happen, flexibility matters was the thinking.

My dates fell within parameters.

Airline wanted a Thai pass approved June 1 or later with valid dates. 3 either way.

No Grandfathering of passes issued prior to June.

I think they are incorrect.

Got another Thai pass with June 10 as entry date.

And for good measure got one for June 11 entry date.

Nana Plaza has to wait one day. Maybe for the best as Friday should be an action day there.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2706657]Possibly cookies, but probably easier to smoke for our esteemed correspondent.[/QUOTE]Wake and Bake baby, soon to be semi legal LOL. Or at least I will be able to cut down the amount of cash I need to stash just in case.

I remember one time the BIBs had a checkpoint at that turnaround on Sukhumvit right before the Phra Khanong, you know where you veer off into an alley, cross under Suk and come out at Soi 48. I was like. Ut oh, but they just passed my cab right through. Somewhat later I talked to a young Thai American kid from Cali who got nailed there, cost him a pretty penny, thank god I am old and respectable looking, albiet unattractive.

Hey Thailand: You want tourists? Open a dispensary in Phuket and Pattaya. Weed calms the Brits down.

Personally, I would be in Lopburi baking and talking to the monkeys. There used to be some chicken shacks near the train station as a bonus. Who needs gogo bars!

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2706681]Unfortunately unfortunate circumstances.

My Thai tourist visa 60 day good as gold.

Problem is airline wanted a Valid Thai pass to go with it.

Mine was issued in May where you get 7 day before and 7 day after to enter. So 14 days to enter. Things happen, flexibility matters was the thinking.

My dates fell within parameters.

Airline wanted a Thai pass approved June 1 or later with valid dates. 3 either way.

No Grandfathering of passes issued prior to June.

I think they are incorrect.

Got another Thai pass with June 10 as entry date.

And for good measure got one for June 11 entry date.

Nana Plaza has to wait one day. Maybe for the best as Friday should be an action day there.[/QUOTE]Update. If you have an old Thai Pass make sure you enter 3 days before or 3 days after your inputted arrival date.

I found it in a blurb somewhere.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2705219]Her ads were gone for about 2 months, but looks like she's back. The fiwfans girl that changed my mind about fiwfans, Teya, has her ad up again. I think her pics represent her very closely. Not too much P.S. Going on. I'm not in Thailand anymore to partake. But I had one of my best sessions in BKK with her.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rad4t7krkkytz5[/URL][/QUOTE]Sup bro.

How does this work? Add them on line and agree on location / time and bring cash, enjoy and pay afterwards?

Let me know!

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2706770]Update. If you have an old Thai Pass make sure you enter 3 days before or 3 days after your inputted arrival date.

I found it in a blurb somewhere.[/QUOTE]How far in advance get you get the Thai Pass? I'm looking at a flight in August. Do I need to wait until 3 days before the flight to get the get the pass or can I get it a month or two in advance?

[QUOTE=Allover;2706837]How far in advance get you get the Thai Pass? I'm looking at a flight in August. Do I need to wait until 3 days before the flight to get the get the pass or can I get it a month or two in advance?[/QUOTE]I'm just parroting what I heard yesterday. Big wig in Thailand are having a meeting June 17 to discuss ending Thai Pass completely. Effective July.

People are not coming in Droves like they thought is the only answer why they Panicking now.

You are so far out don't worry now.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2706701]Wake and Bake baby, soon to be semi legal LOL. [/QUOTE]I was going to send you a private message with my corn muffin recipe. But never mind. ;-)

[QUOTE=Allover;2706837]How far in advance get you get the Thai Pass? I'm looking at a flight in August. Do I need to wait until 3 days before the flight to get the get the pass or can I get it a month or two in advance?[/QUOTE]You can get it up to 60 days before your trip, it does not take long to apply as long as you have jpegs of your QR codes ready. Approval took seven hours for me.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2706901]You can get it up to 60 days before your trip, it does not take long to apply as long as you have jpegs of your QR codes ready. Approval took seven hours for me.[/QUOTE]They are talking about eliminating the Thai Pass from July onwards. If flying in August I would not bother to do anything just yet.

[QUOTE=AdaeLover;2706974]They are talking about eliminating the Thai Pass from July onwards. If flying in August I would not bother to do anything just yet.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the responses AdaeLover and Down and Up. I'm going to wait until the last week of June to find out about potential changes to the Thai Pass.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2706070]I hit up Wood (Dr BJ) recently. There were two girls lounging out front. One was pretty enough so I picked her. She was Gai (and yes, I know what that means.) and cheerfully took me upstairs to a tiny room with a sink where she washed my cock and at my request applied a condom (I was seeing my GF later and wanted to be 100% safe). Gai dutifully got on her knees to suck and. She was terrible! I considered asking her to stop but I was already 800 be in so I let her finish. I thought she might just give up on me as it too a long time for me to fill the condom with hot cum. I decided not to tip for a toothy, grinding BJ! But. Undeterred, a few days later I later hit up Duangporn's Haven where once again I had the choice of two girls, and only one was doable. I took Ying (a slightly plump Isaac girl dressed like a regular secretary) upstairs to the tiny, filth room where I stood on a stool while she washed me up and then seated me down on a lounger for a BBBJ. She was a real pro: deep, long confident stroked into her eager mouth and I soon shot a big load into her mouth, which, if she spat it, I did not see her do it. Tipped her and visited the miserable toilets before departing.[/QUOTE]I went to Wood bar today. I've been here.

A couple of times this week around 4. 00 pm to find out there was only 2 ladies sitting outside. A fat young girl and an older women. Both not interesting, even if they would pay me I wouldn't use their service. But today (I went there at 8.15 pm) I found a nice doable lady of 30 years old. I thought her name was Bee but later she told me another name which I already forgot. (sorry guys) But she definitely stands out from the rest of the girls. Nice cute face and slim body. We went upstairs for the BJ but as I had too much beer I couldn't come so I requested for FS. The FS option was quoted for 1500 THB for 1 hour. The BJ which I opted for was 900 baht (I bought her a drink too), so only 600 more for FS. Since we were already 15 minutes in to the BJ session, she asked me to move to another room. First I thought it was on the same premises but it was across the soi at the Nuru bar. I had to dress up again to make the walk across the soi. Once we got in the other room, which was very big, we showered together. She prepared the matrass and we got on to the intimate part. Then she put out the condom and said something in Thai which I didn't understood. I only said that I don't like condom in Thai. She understood my Thai and started riding me cowgirl without condom. After 10 minutes we switched to missionary and I could unload in her pussy which was quiet tight. We did a quick shower after and she guided me outside. I was still a bit overwhelmed by the great experience (and drunk) that I not give her a tip. Of course I will return and will make up for the tip she didn't got.

[QUOTE=Jaya2022;2706820]Sup bro.

How does this work? Add them on line and agree on location / time and bring cash, enjoy and pay afterwards?

Let me know![/QUOTE]Honestly, this was 3-4 months ago and I don't remember if payment was before or after. Someone else might be able to chime in. But yea, message them on Line. They send you the location. You wait in the general area until they tell you to go up. Usually, you'll want to book a shorter time period and extend at the end if you like her. I got lucky when I booked a 90 minute session with Teya and she turned out to be very pretty and good service.

1. Flight Nrt-Bkk. 20% full if that. Like half percent Japanese.

2. Landing to out of immigration took 25 minutes. Very efficient.

3. Not hard to see but Airport activity in Bkk is abysmal. Hence talk of eliminating Pass completely.

Nrt activity abysmal too but they still in lockdown mode.

2. Went Nana Plaza midnight so will hold back judgement on girl qualitee.

A. Rainbow 4/5 lowered price for Cola to 100 baht.

Be. No social distancing at Rainbow 5. Quite Busy.

See. Rainbow 4 not so busy.

The. Old Rainbow 2 space looks like Ladyboy Bar now. Don't know why they need such a large space.

4. Tomatoes very reasonably priced.

5. Looks like BTS only accepts cash now. No 30 trip deal-everybody pass full price.

6. Chosen Hotel Red Planet sold out this weekend. Need plan be Hotel. Work on this now.

7. Need to see if my $25,000 Bangkok account still active.

8. My Samsung Tmobile performance highly disappointing, looks like I will need to get on Thai bandwidth.

9. Rainbow 4 had like maybe 30 staff. Incl security, dj, etc. If you like someone give them a Hundred or something.

[QUOTE=Jaya2022;2706820]Sup bro.

How does this work? Add them on line and agree on location / time and bring cash, enjoy and pay afterwards?

Let me know![/QUOTE]They want you to pay upfront on arrival.

Some (agents) even wanted an upfront deposit before the booking, so I just skipped them.

Thankfully, when one girl refused the advertised and agreed service, I pulled the pin.

Ended up chatting with her agent whilst still in the room on LINE and got him, then her, to give me a full refund.

Left the room, chatted further with agent, and switched to another girl in same hotel.

I hope all it's well with you guys and you safe and sounds.

I'll be back in Bangkok on a business trip last week of the month after two and half years!

I guess Levels and Mixx will be still closed, but I'm wondering other honeypot in Soi 11 like Oscar's and Sugar Sugar are open.

Did anybody of you experience them lately? Thanks in advance for your post and reply, stay safe and perhaps let's get a beer together!

[QUOTE=WhiteShark;2707544]I guess Levels and Mixx will be still closed, but I'm wondering other honeypot in Soi 11 like Oscar's and Sugar Sugar are open.[/QUOTE]Mixx, Oscar's and Sugar Club are open. I don't know about Levels.

On Friday closing time was 2 at m. Sat. Sun. Mon. Closing time back to midnight.

Seems Nana Plaza being punished for Naughty hiring practices.

Conclusion about girl attractiveness- let's be thrilled the Plaza is operating and Pray to Buddha situation will improve.

So just spent a couple of days in Bangkok trying various options. Since I thought the big massage parlors (like Poseidon etc.) and bars may still be closed, tried my luck with [URL]fiwfans.com[/URL]. You need to download the line app to communicate.

Site is fully Thai, but google translate really helps and there is thankfully a very large selection to choose from and you can search by body type. It's listed as breast size, waist and hips and seems reasonably accurate.

I'm a boobs man, my holy grail is a pretty girl with slim waist with F-cup plus breasts, a rare species. Tried this girl first: [URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406raec6mkwusrn1e.[/URL] Talked to the mamasan via Line with google translate Thai, she eventually switched to English. No deposit required, was easy to make an appointment, found out later these girls are currently only getting about 2 customers a day and those are the popular ones. The mamasan gives you a hotel name, you go there, confirm you arrived with a pic of the building and she gives you the room number. It's almost exactly like Hong Kong. The hotel was quite far, but taxi's in Bangkok are still pretty cheap, just meant I was late, but the mamasan didn't mind.

Arrived at the room, girl was slightly chubbier than picture, but still ok. Not very pretty, but still ok, not wearing makeup. Boobs were all natural, very floppy hangers if you like that kind of things. I do sometimes, but these were really soft. We take a shower, get started and she gives me a rather rough blowjob, had to get her to slow down, she got better. Then onto a few different positions before I finished. Her English was ok, could communicate and she had a quirky sense of humor. Damage was 2000 baht for 90 minutes. (you have several options, I didn't want to rush).

Tried another one next day, quite pretty, a bit of a stomach, but really nice round, big natural boobs. Not as dolled up as bar girls (no heels, boo), but she was wearing make-up. Equally fuss-free, unfortunately her English wasn't very good, so we ended up having to use translate quite a bit. Was more comfortable than the first one, even though she was a little passive and I had to guide her. Damage was 2000 baht again for 90 minutes.

Overall, you get a very large selection to choose from, but it can be a bit hit and miss. Pretty cheap though, especially for a 40 minute session. In the pictures most girls have their skin whitened or improved and any baby fat removed, so best pay attention to their measurements and read the comments below on fiwfans to get an idea of what to expect.

Since I had time left, I actually noticed that Emanuelle (big spa entertainment complex) was open for business. Walked in to have a beer and ogle the ladies in the lounge as I wasn't up for more. Mamasan was rather pushy though as not that many customers. Had a pretty good lineup on Friday night, the girls are usually fully dolled up, wearing sexy dress and heels, which I like. There are several (very arbitrary) categories, which affect pricing, most of them falling under S class for 4200 baht. Think that's 90 minutes plus a room fee, but not sure.

I left and went to Soi Cowboy, again just for a beer and some ogling. Most places seemed open, fewer men than I remember for a Friday. I went to Baccara, my preferred place there. Was much as I remember it, girls awkwardly dancing on the lower stage, switching out every 20 minutes or so. You can invite any of them for a drink and takeout. Upstairs also hasn't changed, with one set of girls staying clothed, while the next set is wearing a schoolgirl outfit with sneakers and will dance topless during their set. Quality is rather hit and miss, most are not that pretty, but occasionally there are some lookers. Not sure on the bar fine / takeout cost, but I would guess you can negotiate. Place used to be packed, but I had no trouble getting a table on Friday upstairs or downstairs.

Bangkok seems to be coming back, looking forward to the next trip.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2707340]1. Flight Nrt-Bkk. 20% full if that. Like half percent Japanese.[/QUOTE]Let's say the plane had 300 seats. 20% of that is 60. A half percent of 60 is 0,3. So there was only 0,3 Japanese on board?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2707601]Mixx, Oscar's and Sugar Club are open. I don't know about Levels.[/QUOTE]Mixx open? Well I will definitely check it. It would be definitely an added bonus!

Thanks for your reply.

Hey guys!

I will be in BKK from 19th of June for 2-3 weeks, any like minded bro who wants to join for joint mongering can drop me a message.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2707788]Let's say the plane had 300 seats. 20% of that is 60. A half percent of 60 is 0,3. So there was only 0,3 Japanese on board?[/QUOTE]YES. There-in lies why the Hot Young UNs are taking it EZ now.

Spankys is like Baccarat. You buy before you go in. 165 baht vs 100 at Rainbow.

Might try.

Bananas and climate change. So I opened a little bag of Six Bananas. Funny thing is they still won't separate, Sherlock in me is questioned. Seems they scotch tape all 6 together. Gee whiz.

BKK is general is getting busier with enough critical mass to probably sustain and go forward now although you do see a lot of girl turnover, some busy nights and some completely dead nights.

Interestingly I saw that Geisha (top floor Nana Plaza) had reopened. The 2 very well know dragon mamasans were there. Previosuly seen at most other bars in nana. They seem to specialise in getting bars started again and do a good job in that they fill it with staff. The negative point is that they control and have their hands in everything.

We were negotiating with a couple of newbies and both mamasans came over and tried to take over the negogiations. They insisted on 3000st paid up front BS. Both of us lost interest at this point and interestering the mamasans picked it up quickly and moved on. The newbies explaind that they couldn't move much from 3,000 because the mamasans wanted 1000 as their cut. At this point we lost further interest because it was all getting too difficult.

Ironically one of the ladies chased us out and really wanted to tag along. He quote was "pay what you want, up to you". By this point we were tired drunk and kind of over the whole thing.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2707340]1. Flight Nrt-Bkk. 20% full if that. Like half percent Japanese.

2. Landing to out of immigration took 25 minutes. Very efficient.

3. Not hard to see but Airport activity in Bkk is abysmal. Hence talk of eliminating Pass completely.

Nrt activity abysmal too but they still in lockdown mode.

2. Went Nana Plaza midnight so will hold back judgement on girl qualitee.

A. Rainbow 4/5 lowered price for Cola to 100 baht.

Be. No social distancing at Rainbow 5. Quite Busy.

See. Rainbow 4 not so busy.

The. Old Rainbow 2 space looks like Ladyboy Bar now. Don't know why they need such a large space.

4. Tomatoes very reasonably priced.

5. Looks like BTS only accepts cash now. No 30 trip deal-everybody pass full price.

6. Chosen Hotel Red Planet sold out this weekend. Need plan be Hotel. Work on this now.

7. Need to see if my $25,000 Bangkok account still active.

8. My Samsung Tmobile performance highly disappointing, looks like I will need to get on Thai bandwidth.

9. Rainbow 4 had like maybe 30 staff. Incl security, dj, etc. If you like someone give them a Hundred or something.[/QUOTE]Interesting info on Narita. I'll be connecting through NRT from the US on the way to BKK. Do you know how the immigration during connections is at NRT, I only have a 2:30 hour layover there. Guessing it should be more than enough time.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2708064]Interesting info on Narita. I'll be connecting through NRT from the US on the way to BKK. Do you know how the immigration during connections is at NRT, I only have a 2:30 hour layover there. Guessing it should be more than enough time.[/QUOTE]Hnl to nrt to BKK?

2.5 hours is an Eternity now. Make sure your paperwork is in order.

Don't know if you saw my earlier post but my 2.5 hour layover turned in 24 hours, due to Paperwork issues with Thai Pass.

Narita check more than Bangkok.

Went Spankys. Seems stupid for one girl outside to say buy drink before go in then another girl say just go in and order like usual.

I not look like Terrorist.

$3.00 for Coofee at McDonald's,. That's a ripoff.

Went to Twisters. 100 baht. Not overly impressed with girl attractive -ness. Stayed two sets probably 50 girls.

Two others have chimed in. We all in agreement. Girl quality is awful. Hit or miss is just a polite way of saying it.

Am I glad I'm here,. Yes. Just don't expect much till the 2 favorite customer groups start showing up in masses.

Spanks is Topless approved. Another in forum Pattaya said better if girls are clothed, applies here. God Awfully Awful.

Rainbow 4 superstar is Back.

If it's true mamasans want 1,000 cut out of 3,000 I don't see much barfine business going forward.

I'm this week in BKK. Any wingman her for activities during the day? In evenings I have to do work for oversea. Any suggestion for a not too skinny Thai lady, possible which loves to drink as well?

Thank you so much!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2708064]Interesting info on Narita. I'll be connecting through NRT from the US on the way to BKK. Do you know how the immigration during connections is at NRT, I only have a 2:30 hour layover there. Guessing it should be more than enough time.[/QUOTE]I connected thru Narita last month. No problem for me. Landed about 11:00 am. Plenty of staff and were not busy. Took less than 30 minutes from getting off the plane to waiting at the gate for my next flight. Been through Narita before the pandemic and never had a problem. You will have plenty of time.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2708133]I connected thru Narita last month. No problem for me. Landed about 11:00 am. Plenty of staff and were not busy. Took less than 30 minutes from getting off the plane to waiting at the gate for my next flight. Been through Narita before the pandemic and never had a problem. You will have plenty of time.[/QUOTE]In September my flight from BKK to LAX stops at NRT. I have one hour to catch my LAX flight. I can't believe they even ticketed me with that close of a connection. I'm flying Japan Air on both flights in Business Class. That will be a nailbiter.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2708084]Went Spankys. Seems stupid for one girl outside to say buy drink before go in then another girl say just go in and order like usual.

I not look like Terrorist.

$3.00 for Coofee at McDonald's,. That's a ripoff.

Went to Twisters. 100 baht. Not overly impressed with girl attractive -ness. Stayed two sets probably 50 girls.

Two others have chimed in. We all in agreement. Girl quality is awful. Hit or miss is just a polite way of saying it.

Am I glad I'm here,. Yes. Just don't expect much till the 2 favorite customer groups start showing up in masses.

Spanks is Topless approved. Another in forum Pattaya said better if girls are clothed, applies here. God Awfully Awful.

Rainbow 4 superstar is Back.

If it's true mamasans want 1,000 cut out of 3,000 I don't see much barfine business going forward.[/QUOTE]Dots worth connecting or not, here are some things I and a couple of other expats have noticed and experienced in just the past 2-3 weeks:

1. A marked increase in an influx of wannabe customers in a couple of ethnic and country of origin groups not generally known to be high on Thai girls' list of desirable customers cruising the streets in groups, in and out of the bars.

2. During that same 2-3 week time, most of the better looking girls as well as the 2nd tier girls in the bars and on the street fled the area.

3. During that same 2-3 week time, I began to get daily Line messages from 5-6 good pre-Covid girls who had just arrived back in town from their provinces to start working again but were hit with the above stated customer influx culture shock and chose to either hide in their room to pester me for a session every day or just turned around and high-tailed it back to their province.

Those girls will not return to the general scene or stay here more than a night to check it out until many more customers start showing up and customers they are willing to engage with. So we have a Catch-22 dilemma going here.

The "horrible, absolutely horrible" characterization is the same one the better looking girls I know would use for the current customer base they encountered on arrival.

Hi folks. Not sure whether to post here or in "other massage parlors" place. Decided here as the message is mostly to not trust reviews here or stickman or google maps as alpfa and omega, there are many other places to be found. I haven't tried any of thaifriendly or fiwfans services as my preferences are massage places with extras.

Long story short. Been a few times to this small, family run massage business on Pradiphat road (close to Camping Grounds outdoor food court. Nice on its own before or after mongering!) where oilies are done in a room with 2 beds separated by only a (non seethrough) curtain. Couple of times got an older thick lady which would do a nice massage and a HJ later. Nothing really that amazing. Yesterday scored lucky with Dao. She's also an older lady though on the slimmer side and damnnnn the teasing, the massage itself and at the end the HJ truly magical, I'd put it right next to Naka massage (easily found on google). Nice spray with a finger up my butt and overall a fun experience, completely unexpected.

Total damage not even set in advance. To reception would be 350 for 1 HR oily, I gave the lady and extra 1 k because why not, full hour of excellent massage with a happy ending. Your mileage may vary, nothing was really offered and it came up slowly as a joke. If they do it regularly it certainly isn't obvious and downstairs normal customers coming in for a foot rub are mostly thai.

In case someone wants to venture off the beaten path (I do!

[QUOTE=WhiteShark;2707835]Mixx open? Well I will definitely check it. It would be definitely an added bonus!

Thanks for your reply.[/QUOTE]Levels was closed this weekend (or I should say it has not yet reopen since Covid). I went to Oskar for a while, had "the usual" crowd. "Big line" waiting to get into Sugar and Havana, I do not enjoy waiting in lines, so I moved along.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2708207]Hi folks,

Not sure whether to post here or in "other massage parlors" place. Decided here as the message is mostly to not trust reviews here or stickman or google maps as alpfa and omega, there are many other places to be found. I haven't tried any of thaifriendly or fiwfans services as my preferences are massage places with extras.

Long story short. Been a few times to this small, family run massage business on Pradiphat road (close to Camping Grounds outdoor food court. Nice on its own before or after mongering!) where oilies are done in a room with 2 beds separated by only a (non seethrough) curtain. Couple of times got an older thick lady which would do a nice massage and a HJ later. Nothing really that amazing. Yesterday scored lucky with Dao. She's also an older lady though on the slimmer side and damN the teasing, the massage itself and at the end the HJ truly magical, I'd put it right next to Naka massage (easily found on google). Nice spray with a finger up my butt and overall a fun experience, completely unexpected.

Total damage not even set in advance. To reception would be 350 for 1 HR oily, I gave the lady and extra 1 k because why not, full hour of excellent massage with a happy ending. Your mileage may vary, nothing was really offered and it came up slowly as a joke. If they do it regularly it certainly isn't obvious and downstairs normal customers coming in for a foot rub are mostly Thai.

In case someone wants to venture off the beaten path (I do![/QUOTE]Crazy House end of Soi Cowboy, small massage shops up and down the road. Tried very decent looking masseuse among the Homlies. 1,400 all in. Very good and Happy was I.

You just never know?

Finding Bad providers is EZ peasy.

End of May I flew BKK. NRT, and connected to NRT. LAX. We might have been a little late leaving Bangkok, so things were already tight. After arrival at the gate, only the local Japanese were allowed to disembark. Soon, they were all off the airplane and we were asked to return to our seats and wait. Most of the passengers, on a very full Japan Airlines B777-300, had connections.

Added to this morass of complicated connection issues, everybody has to go to a table and then you tell a passenger service agent your name, then they find your boarding pass. I was flying Business class, maybe only a little quicker than for the passengers in Economy. Also have to go thru security screening. Why can't the boarding pass be issued in Bangkok?

Then on a previous trip a few months back, after landing in Narita, our flight was not allowed to proceed to the gate. So we sat out on the tarmac (wasting fuel), because the airport terminal was too congested. My observation was that the airport terminals are NOT congested. I think the Japanese government is very unreasonable, with these draconian building capacity restrictions (for Covid-19? If that really is the reason.

On the plus column, on 2 of my trips to BKK, connecting in Narita, we did not have to go security. Probably due to the departure gate being right next to the arrival gate, or in the same wing. Also, on the plus column, I heard a passenger comment that it is Japanese government regulation that the connecting flight must wait for passengers. Unconfirmed, but makes sense in most situations.

One hour is really tight, but probably OK. If everything runs normal.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2708082]Hnl to nrt to BKK?

2.5 hours is an Eternity now. Make sure your paperwork is in order.

Don't know if you saw my earlier post but my 2.5 hour layover turned in 24 hours, due to Paperwork issues with Thai Pass.

Narita check more than Bangkok.[/QUOTE]SFO to NRT to BKK. Actually have a flight as well just to get to SFO, so it's going to be a long journey to BKK.

Thanks for the feedback.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2708133]I connected thru Narita last month. No problem for me. Landed about 11:00 am. Plenty of staff and were not busy. Took less than 30 minutes from getting off the plane to waiting at the gate for my next flight. Been through Narita before the pandemic and never had a problem. You will have plenty of time.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Hoping I have enough time to hit the Ana Lounge for a shower and ramen.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2708290]Crazy House end of Soi Cowboy, small massage shops up and down the road. Tried very decent looking masseuse among the Homlies. 1,400 all in. Very good and Happy was I.

You just never know?

Finding Bad providers is EZ peasy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pointer.

Important to try everything. Even more to know exactly what one likes after everything.

I ventured over to Cherry's shortly after it opened. The staff were inside eating. I spotted a trim woman with what appeared to be natural breasts who was 5' tall and 100 lbs. I opted for an hour of Nuru + fun. Once in the room, we showered and then got down to business. Ended up skipping Nuru. We started with DFK and transitioned to DATY. She got really into it and told me to * her. I could have gone bareback, but I quickly put protection on. I'm not sure what her boundaries are, but I didn't find them. I was crunched for time, otherwise I would have scheduled a couple of hours. Missionary, cowgirl, doggy, etc. There were three women working. One who was probably pushing 40, plump with big manmades and braces, another who was late-20's, trim, with BS, and my provider, who was probably 30 give or take, large BS / small Cs, slender with a nice round ass. Three rounds and tried for a fourth for 2,300 for 60 minutes. Not sure if MSOG is the norm, but I suspect it is.

[QUOTE=Kforab;2708085]I'm this week in BKK. Any wingman her for activities during the day? In evenings I have to do work for oversea. Any suggestion for a not too skinny Thai lady, possible which loves to drink as well?[/QUOTE]I saw an for Akki on MR who looked interesting. Another interesting one is YaYa. Slender MILF with natural DDs on euro girls. Also a thick Filipina named Christina on MR. Akki seems like she'd be down for drinking, has good reviews.

Haha I tried fiwfans for the first time. Messaged the first agency on Line and was ignored, picked a second girl and they immediately asked to confirm price and have me a Google maps link.

Turned up at the hotel 15 minutes later and sent a photo of where I was, they replied with a room number.

Went to the room and surprised to see the girl speaks full English. Photos look mostly nothing like her, and photos don't match her body. Website says 24 and she's 30 but was skinny, pretty attractive, friendly and talkative.

All went well with DATY and mish.

I had only booked 40 minutes but afterwards she kept talking a lot so actually left after 1 hour. Got her line and will consider meeting again.

Happy with the experience. At first, was hoping I was going to a safe place because who knows where they'll send you.

Long time Bangkok mongers might be interested in this if you haven't seen it previously through other means.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2304654/two-dead-one-wounded-in-shooting-at-bangkok-cold-cuts-company[/URL]

The Marc in this article who was killed was the ex owner or the Eden Club on Soi 7. If you had ever been there prior to 2010 ish you would certainly know of him. RIP.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2708739]I saw an for Akki on MR who looked interesting. Another interesting one is YaYa. Slender MILF with natural DDs on euro girls. Also a thick Filipinas named Christina on MR. Akki seems like she'd be down for drinking, has good reviews.[/QUOTE]Thanks for help. I tried Christina, had hangover so didn't wanted to drink. Just light kisses. BBW body with gigant tits. Good service. 2000 for 2 HR.

Met Tammy over thaif. : Had amazing sex, drink a lot but suddenly too drunk. Didn't want leave, accused me of stealing her wallet and being bad to her cause I would have a wife or. Made a scene in my 5 star hotel lobby. Certainly crazy, thinking she is taking something other that alcohol too or she just can't handle it like many Thais.

She told she can and is used to drink but.

Body 10/10 90/60/90, sex 10/10, attitude 0/10.

Please strictly avoid her!!

Hello everyone,

I am currently in Turkey and looking at grabbing a flight east. I am familiar with both Thailand and Pi seen and wondering from someone with boots on the ground which one you would recommend at the moment?

Must admit I am a bit spoiled after living in Colombia for 6 months over the winter but it's all condoms there so looking for el natural change.

Thanks.

Sky.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2708824]Long time Bangkok mongers might be interested in this if you haven't seen it previously through other means.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2304654/two-dead-one-wounded-in-shooting-at-bangkok-cold-cuts-company[/URL]

The Marc in this article who was killed was the ex owner or the Eden Club on Soi 7. If you had ever been there prior to 2010 ish you would certainly know of him. RIP.[/QUOTE]RIP Marc. You introduced me to a world of difference.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2708824]Long time Bangkok mongers might be interested in this if you haven't seen it previously through other means.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2304654/two-dead-one-wounded-in-shooting-at-bangkok-cold-cuts-company[/URL]

The Marc in this article who was killed was the ex owner or the Eden Club on Soi 7. If you had ever been there prior to 2010 ish you would certainly know of him. RIP.[/QUOTE]Wow, sounds like 1 french dude shot the other.

When he owned the Eden club it was actually great. Not so much after he was no longer there.

RIP.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2708195]Dots worth connecting or not... influx of wannabe customers in a couple of ethnic and country of origin groups not generally known to be high on Thai girls' list of desirable[/QUOTE]Racism can feel great sometimes to the simple-minded.

I seriously doubt the majority of girls on Sukhumvit would necessarily prefer an old white git who insists on rawdogging every hooker in his path to a decent Indian gentleman or three, meaning 3 times the ST fare in one evening.

If a Thai working girl senses you're fond of racist sentiments, they'll go along to make you feel better. Thai men no good. India men no good. Oh, you come from San Malino? San Malino man number one.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2708195]The "horrible, absolutely horrible" characterization [/QUOTE]Oddly, I'd use that exact characterization about the selection of working girls (and other genders) on Sukhumvit this year.

[QUOTE=Jaya2022;2703563]Sup all.

Can anyone recommend their favorite blowjob bar in BK?

There are quite a few, but I wonder which ones do you guys like the most![/QUOTE]Hands down Wood Bar on Soi 7/1 (formerly Dr. BJs). I've been to all, this is the best one, best girls. The room setup is definitely a bit awkward as you're in these like makeshift booth sorta things, but good price, best looking and performing girls, always a win. I've tried them all, this is the only one I bother with anymore really.

There's a lot to say about every BJ bar having its issue, the deal I get is that with all the issues, Wood Bar is still the best of the lot. It was much better pre-covid than it is according to recent reports, much better, but it still appears better than others now. This is likely the one that will bounce back better.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2708824]Long time Bangkok mongers might be interested in this if you haven't seen it previously through other means.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2304654/two-dead-one-wounded-in-shooting-at-bangkok-cold-cuts-company[/URL]

The Marc in this article who was killed was the ex owner or the Eden Club on Soi 7. If you had ever been there prior to 2010 ish you would certainly know of him. RIP.[/QUOTE]Holy crap. This is really sad. Marc was a good guy, nice, and operated a really interesting spot. Guessing we'll never seen a spot like his again in Bangkok, maybe nowhere if Devil's Den in Pattaya is gone. Sad for Marc.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2708733]I ventured over to Cherry's shortly after it opened. The staff were inside eating. I spotted a trim woman with what appeared to be natural breasts who was 5' tall and 100 lbs. I opted for an hour of Nuru + fun. Once in the room, we showered and then got down to business. Ended up skipping Nuru. We started with DFK and transitioned to DATY. She got really into it and told me to * her. I could have gone bareback, but I quickly put protection on. I'm not sure what her boundaries are, but I didn't find them. I was crunched for time, otherwise I would have scheduled a couple of hours. Missionary, cowgirl, doggy, etc. There were three women working. One who was probably pushing 40, plump with big manmades and braces, another who was late-20's, trim, with BS, and my provider, who was probably 30 give or take, large BS / small Cs, slender with a nice round ass. Three rounds and tried for a fourth for 2,300 for 60 minutes. Not sure if MSOG is the norm, but I suspect it is.[/QUOTE]Multishot is standard service at Cherry / Snow White / Tulip PSE like places. Sometimes girls at Cherry / Snow White will be just like "OK we're done" after 2 if you only book an hour, but a lot of times, you just keep going and its fine. For some girls, they're fine with keeping going until time is up, but just book 1:30-2 HR if you want to get a lot of shots and keep it easy, sometimes girls don't want to sit there trying to get you off the 3rd (or 4th) time in an hour cause if time is up before you finish, its kinda a buzzkill for the customer.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2709175]Oddly, I'd use that exact characterization about the selection of working girls (and other genders) on Sukhumvit this year.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. It's abominable and a waste of time, especially when there is so much talent online for far more attractive prices and you don't have to deal with the bar environment.

Was it Ladyboy night at Billboards last night. Wednesday June 15.

Nothing but ugly, many customers.

Geisha had nothing but almost average. Less than 7 customers.

Baccarat was highly underwhelming. 190 baht for Cola.

Rainbow 5 not a good night.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2709175]Racism can feel great sometimes to the simple-minded.

I seriously doubt the majority of girls on Sukhumvit would necessarily prefer an old white git who insists on rawdogging every hooker in his path to a decent Indian gentleman or three, meaning 3 times the ST fare in one evening.

If a Thai working girl senses you're fond of racist sentiments, they'll go along to make you feel better. Thai men no good. India men no good. Oh, you come from San Malino? San Malino man number one.

Oddly, I'd use that exact characterization about the selection of working girls (and other genders) on Sukhumvit this year.[/QUOTE]Who mentioned Indians? Please don't foster anti-Indian racism here.

Question: Similar to some bars in Dubai, where can I find during day freelancers in BKK?

I wrote already.

Stay in a five star but take the chick elsewhere.

If the chick make 100000 bath of damage in your posh room you pay not her.

And for god sake I don t want even start to talking about drugs.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2709200]Multishot is standard service at Cherry / Snow White / Tulip PSE like places. Sometimes girls at Cherry / Snow White will be just like "OK we're done" after 2 if you only book an hour, but a lot of times, you just keep going and its fine. For some girls, they're fine with keeping going until time is up, but just book 1:30-2 HR if you want to get a lot of shots and keep it easy, sometimes girls don't want to sit there trying to get you off the 3rd (or 4th) time in an hour cause if time is up before you finish, its kinda a buzzkill for the customer.[/QUOTE]Is Snow White still open?

[QUOTE=Jaya2022;2703563]Sup all.

Can anyone recommend their favorite blowjob bar in BK?

There are quite a few, but I wonder which ones do you guys like the most![/QUOTE]I used to prefer Lolita $, but it was closed on my last visit. I used to wander by and check out their 15+ girl lineup sitting out front, and if I liked one, would take her upstairs. The girl does a quick wash with a sanitary wipe, licks my balls and then quickly moves on to swallowing my cock. Some girls will offer to remove their shirt, which I always accept, and fondling is allowed. They usually want you to cum sooner, so they agree to excite you more.

One interesting part of LOL's is the room. It's just a semi-circular bench with a curtain around it. So, yes, if you get a neighbour, you can hear his dick being sucked and sometimes the gasp as he unloads into his girl's mouth. At LOL's girls always take a mouthful without complaint. One girl placed both my hands on the back of her head so I could press her deeper down my hard shaft. Needless to say, I usually last 5 minutes under these circumstances! Payment was always at the end, allowing for an appropriate tip and maybe a drink at the bar. I once met the owner who was a swell guy.

Alas, it's closed now so Wood and Duangporn's will have to do. They are CIM places so not much to complain about (except the decor).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2709175]Racism can feel great sometimes to the simple-minded.

I seriously doubt the majority of girls on Sukhumvit would necessarily prefer an old white git who insists on rawdogging every hooker in his path to a decent Indian gentleman or three, meaning 3 times the ST fare in one evening.

If a Thai working girl senses you're fond of racist sentiments, they'll go along to make you feel better. Thai men no good. India men no good. Oh, you come from San Malino? San Malino man number one.

Oddly, I'd use that exact characterization about the selection of working girls (and other genders) on Sukhumvit this year.[/QUOTE]I was there in 2019, one of the WG hesitantly asked if she could borrow a cigarette from me, offered one. Had some talk of massage and boom boom, Indian guys had some chit chat and walked off, she then quoted she and other locals don't like Indians. Yes she did say that!

Reasons. Not hygienic, lowballers, polluting the city throwing garbage out in public.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2709465]Is Snow White still open?[/QUOTE]No, at least from3 weeks ago.

And then everyone stood up and started applauding.

[QUOTE=Kookey;2709507]I was there in 2019, one of the WG hesitantly asked if she could borrow a cigarette from me, offered one. Had some talk of massage and boom boom, Indian guys had some chit chat and walked off, she then quoted she and other locals don't like Indians. Yes she did say that!

Reasons. Not hygienic, lowballers, polluting the city throwing garbage out in public.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kforab;2709376]Question: Similar to some bars in Dubai, where can I find during day freelancers in BKK?[/QUOTE]Pretty much everywhere.

FL's on the street of Soi Nana (sukhumvit 4).

In the bars on Soi Nana (Hillary, Stumble, etc).

On Soi Sukhumvit between Soi 5 and Soi 15.

In Bier Garten (Beer Garden) on Soi 7.

And online on Badoo, WeChat, ThaiFriendly, etc.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2709465]Is Snow White still open?[/QUOTE]It is permanently closed.

No more BS July 1 Thailand completely open!! No more Thailand pass!

Nana Plaza looks like it's Back.

Soi Cowboy looks like it will never come Back.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2709877]Nana Plaza looks like it's Back.

Soi Cowboy looks like it will never come Back.[/QUOTE]It's early days yet, Nana is still on it's way to getting back to normal and Soi Cowboy will follow later. There are still small restrictions in place and those end soon but it takes time to build back as you won't get a flood of bookings and the bars are still short on girls, it will take time to recruit. By high season, starting September things could be back to normal pre-covid.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2709633]No more BS July 1 Thailand completely open!! No more Thailand pass![/QUOTE]Not completely open. Published stuff that I read says still have BS of vaccination certificate and insurance. Did I miss anything? Not too bad.

Gone are pre-travel testing, arrival testing, day 5 testing, Thailand Pass, required booking of hotels, special transportation from airport, sending in airline reservations, and day-1 and day-5 isolation. Is SHA+ also history?

I do hope that the Thailand E-Visa stays forever, that was much easier than dealing with the Thai embassy.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2709633]No more BS July 1 Thailand completely open!! No more Thailand pass![/QUOTE]I don't understand why people are so negative about the Thailand Pass. Compared to what is was like before, with the Certificate of Entry, the test requirements and the one-day quarantine on arrival, the Thailand Pass is (was) already much less hassle.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2709922]
Gone are pre-travel testing, arrival testing, day 5 testing, Thailand Pass, required booking of hotels, special transportation from airport, sending in airline reservations, and day-1 and day-5 isolation. Is SHA+ also history?
[/QUOTE]SHA+ was already lifted on May 1, if I recall correctly (for vaccinated people anyway).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2709948]I don't understand why people are so negative about the Thailand Pass. Compared to what is was like before, with the Certificate of Entry, the test requirements and the one-day quarantine on arrival, the Thailand Pass is (was) already much less hassle.[/QUOTE]There were still a lot of steps and formatting requirements were a pain in the neck.

The owner of Lolita's reportedly committed suicide several months ago and this is the reason that the place is closed. From time to time, there could be some cute girls there, though most would not fall into that category. I lived within a five minute walk of this establishment and always marveled to my NorthAmerican friends how close I was to getting a morning rubout if I was so inclined. I think the other BJ place next door and around the corner remains open.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2709475]I used to prefer Lolita $, but it was closed on my last visit. I used to wander by and check out their 15+ girl lineup sitting out front, and if I liked one, would take her upstairs. The girl does a quick wash with a sanitary wipe, licks my balls and then quickly moves on to swallowing my cock. Some girls will offer to remove their shirt, which I always accept, and fondling is allowed. They usually want you to cum sooner, so they agree to excite you more.

One interesting part of LOL's is the room. It's just a semi-circular bench with a curtain around it. So, yes, if you get a neighbour, you can hear his dick being sucked and sometimes the gasp as he unloads into his girl's mouth. At LOL's girls always take a mouthful without complaint. One girl placed both my hands on the back of her head so I could press her deeper down my hard shaft. Needless to say, I usually last 5 minutes under these circumstances! Payment was always at the end, allowing for an appropriate tip and maybe a drink at the bar. I once met the owner who was a swell guy.

Alas, it's closed now so Wood and Duangporn's will have to do. They are CIM places so not much to complain about (except the decor).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kookey;2709507]I was there in 2019, one of the WG hesitantly asked if she could borrow a cigarette from me, offered one. Had some talk of massage and boom boom, Indian guys had some chit chat and walked off, she then quoted she and other locals don't like Indians. Yes she did say that!

Reasons. Not hygienic, lowballers, polluting the city throwing garbage out in public.[/QUOTE]If you've ever been to Delhi it would be a struggle to reach any other conclusion. Well educated Indians, especially from other parts of the country, are just swell, but the shit-where-we-sleep plains-dwellers can be dire.

First trip to Bangkok next month, rookie question here: Are the bars for straight girls and lady boys clearly separate, or can one end up taking home a surprise package?

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2710013]First trip to Bangkok next month, rookie question here: Are the bars for straight girls and lady boys clearly separate, or can one end up taking home a surprise package?[/QUOTE]95% of bars will not have a mix of ladyboys and straight ladies, they will mostly vet them. However you do need to be careful in any place in BKK.

If you are on the street then you will mostly be on your own, definitely a lot more ladyboys on the street.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2710013]First trip to Bangkok next month, rookie question here: Are the bars for straight girls and lady boys clearly separate, or can one end up taking home a surprise package?[/QUOTE]The post-ops on the street are the trickiest to tell. More difficult to tell now because of face masks (it's sometimes the face more than anything else that give the show away).

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2710013]First trip to Bangkok next month, rookie question here: Are the bars for straight girls and lady boys clearly separate, or can one end up taking home a surprise package?[/QUOTE]Most bars are designated LB or straight but as you know you never know.

Before you venture home ask them straight out if they are Lb, do it politely as some will take offence if they are straight girl. Tell them if we get home and you ARE Lb then no money will be forthcoming so fess up now.

LB are pretty easy to spot. So spend 15/30 minutes interviewing them, which everyone should do (durr) Before we toddle off home I go through the "agreement" at least twice to confirm we both understand what will take place when we are there and how much money will be involved. I try as much as possible to be the dominant one in the transaction, respectful, but I am paying the money and there are plenty of others to choose from.

P.S. Don't get drunk!

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2710013]First trip to Bangkok next month, rookie question here: Are the bars for straight girls and lady boys clearly separate, or can one end up taking home a surprise package?[/QUOTE]All the BKK Go Go's that I am aware of are mutually exclusive. Either they are 99.9% girl girl or 99.9% ladyboy and it is really obvious which is which. Pre-covid there were a couple of mixed Go Go's, but I think they are now closed.

Out on the street a simple rule will suffice: when in doubt pass unless you really don't want to pass. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2710013]First trip to Bangkok next month, rookie question here: Are the bars for straight girls and lady boys clearly separate, or can one end up taking home a surprise package?[/QUOTE]As another posted -.

Yes somewhat difficult if LB wearing mask but giveaways are hand / feet size, adams apple or overly aggressive feminine moves. My approach is just compliment them on how beautiful (mak-mak) they are and tell them you are looking for 100% lady. Have never had an issue.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2709922]Not completely open. Published stuff that I read says still have BS of vaccination certificate and insurance. Did I miss anything? Not too bad.

Gone are pre-travel testing, arrival testing, day 5 testing, Thailand Pass, required booking of hotels, special transportation from airport, sending in airline reservations, and day-1 and day-5 isolation. Is SHA+ also history?

I do hope that the Thailand E-Visa stays forever, that was much easier than dealing with the Thai embassy.[/QUOTE]Per the Bangkok Post the insurance requirement also ends July 1.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2328693/more-entry-barriers-lifted[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2709997]The owner of Lolita's reportedly committed suicide several months ago and this is the reason that the place is closed. From time to time, there could be some cute girls there, though most would not fall into that category. I lived within a five minute walk of this establishment and always marveled to my NorthAmerican friends how close I was to getting a morning rubout if I was so inclined. I think the other BJ place next door and around the corner remains open.[/QUOTE]That is so sad. Any more to this story? Business related? I mean, a lot of businesses went belly-up doing covid and I can't imagine the stress on the owners.

Finally got a new account for myself. I used to be somewhat active here several years ago but I lost all the information about my old account.

Now I'm back and I recently went back to Bangkok for the first since COVID (very fed up with these forums being filled with those virus discussions so not going to talk more about that).

I just spent a few weeks in Bangkok this time and I wasn't actually up to much.

I went to Duangporn's Haven twice. First time I went about 11:30 pm and the only lady there wasn't really up to par. Even with BJ's I like to have them OK looking. I went back a second time a week later and the line-up was better. There was a total of 7-8 girls and 3 of them were up to my standards. I had a shot and a beer as well and total damage was 1000 baht. I think the action was 800 and then 200 baht for the drinks. I went upstairs and did the deed and it was great as always. I think I've never had a bad experience at a BJ bar and I used to go quite a lot to Lolita's and the one next door, at least when there were some cuties around. Was offered FS at those places several times as well.

I went to Soi Cowboy and Nana as well and they were pretty boring. Saw a very cute FL but I just said Hi and realized it was a ladyboy. Oops.

Sat at one of the street bars and one cute girl quoted me 2000 baht but I knew it was negotiable but I wasn't really interested in her anyway.

I also played around with Fiwfans a bit. There was one chick that rescheduled when I was just about to get to the hotel so that plan got botched. I did contact her the following day again. She told me she was a bit hungover and the booking accidently was 60 minutes instead of 90 minutes. Not my fault, but our contact had messed up. I think damage was 1700 baht for 60 minutes, 2 times.

She was a very cute chick. Very much kawaii type. Not really as good looking as the pictures but still cute. Was a GFE, but a bit of a GFE when your girlfriend has a headache and just tries to please you anyways. Not a 10 point service but alright for the money.

I also ventured out to Lad Phrao for a threesome with two chicks. It was my first time using fiwfans so I wasn't really sure how to deal with the reception and stuff. In the end I just told them the room number and they let me up.

The ad said one of the girls was chubby but she was actually quite fat. The other girl was probably 8 years older than what they said. Both chicks had pretty terrible surgery done to them. Still, they were really nice ladies, spoke softly and were in general very polite. FS with both of them in order and I didn't do any switcharoos. Should probably have done that, but whatever. I also got a very relaxing 4 hands massage for over and hour so I left rejuvenated. 2000 baht total and I left pretty happy despite the letdown with the looks. One of the girls said I came too fast, but I wasn't too interested in going on with her forever.

I contacted a third girl whom I really wanted to meet but unfortunately she took a few days off she said.

During my Bangkok trip I walked around a bit but as I haven't been back for a long time I felt a bit lost. Went to a few agogo's but I wasn't really into it this time. The talent was quite lackluster at the places I went.

I will be back again in some months, hopefully, and then I'll come back with another report. Will probably hit up fiwfans a few more times, I like the selection and I'm getting less and less of a bar fly these days.

Oh yeah, I also did a few SW's from the famous place on the other side of the river and close to the infamous backpacker streets. 500 baht and something like 80 baht for the ST hotel. Just average stuff and I was quite drunk so I don't remember much of it. The other side of the river was very quiet whereas the areas next to the backpacker street was busy as usual.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2710503]Finally got a new account for myself. I used to be somewhat active here several years ago but I lost all the information about my old account.

I also played around with Fiwfans a bit. There was one chick that rescheduled when I was just about to get to the hotel so that plan got botched. I did contact her the following day again. She told me she was a bit hungover and the booking accidently was 60 minutes instead of 90 minutes. Not my fault, but our contact had messed up. I think damage was 1700 baht for 60 minutes, 2 times.

She was a very cute chick. Very much kawaii type. Not really as good looking as the pictures but still cute. Was a GFE, but a bit of a GFE when your girlfriend has a headache and just tries to please you anyways. Not a 10 point service but alright for the money.

.[/QUOTE]Is it easy to communicate with them in FIWFANS?

I will be there next week and I am going to be there for a week, I am trying to learn a few things.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2710503]Oh yeah, I also did a few SW's from the famous place on the other side of the river and close to the infamous backpacker streets. 500 baht and something like 80 baht for the ST hotel. Just average stuff and I was quite drunk so I don't remember much of it. The other side of the river was very quiet whereas the areas next to the backpacker street was busy as usual.[/QUOTE]Nice report. What's the famous place on the other side of the river? I never realized there's much action on Thonburi side.

I know the low-end streetwalker area south of Khao San Road, 500 + 80 baht sounds about right.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2710840]Is it easy to communicate with them in FIWFANS?

I will be there next week and I am going to be there for a week, I am trying to learn a few things.[/QUOTE]It is actually quite easy. Their agents write in English. That doesn't mean that the girls necessarily speak English.

Regarding the other guys question, the SW area on Thonburi side, there used to be a bunch of streetwalkers around Wongwian Yai. Last time I was there I could only find a handful. The girl I chose actually looked decent but had a bit of a weird attitude.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2710161]That is so sad. Any more to this story? Business related? I mean, a lot of businesses went belly-up doing covid and I can't imagine the stress on the owners.[/QUOTE]I passed by Lolitas last Saturday. It was open with two (not very attractive) girls at the door and lights full on. I did not go inside since the two ladies were not up to my taste, but I guess they will start re-staffing like everyone else.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2710985]It is actually quite easy. Their agents write in English. That doesn't mean that the girls necessarily speak English..[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2710503]Finally got a new account for myself. I used to be somewhat active here several years ago but I lost all the information about my old account.

Now I'm back and I recently went back to Bangkok for the first since COVID (very fed up with these forums being filled with those virus discussions so not going to talk more about that).

I just spent a few weeks in Bangkok this time and I wasn't actually up to much.

I went to Duangporn's Haven twice. First time I went about 11:30 pm and the only lady there wasn't really up to par. Even with BJ's I like to have them OK looking. I went back a second time a week later and the line-up was better. There was a total of 7-8 girls and 3 of them were up to my standards. I had a shot and a beer as well and total damage was 1000 baht. I think the action was 800 and then 200 baht for the drinks. I went upstairs and did the deed and it was great as always. I think I've never had a bad experience at a BJ bar and I used to go quite a lot to Lolita's and the one next door, at least when there were some cuties around. Was offered FS at those places several times as well.

I went to Soi Cowboy and Nana as well and they were pretty boring. Saw a very cute FL but I just said Hi and realized it was a ladyboy. Oops.

Sat at one of the street bars and one cute girl quoted me 2000 baht but I knew it was negotiable but I wasn't really interested in her anyway.

I also played around with Fiwfans a bit. There was one chick that rescheduled when I was just about to get to the hotel so that plan got botched. I did contact her the following day again. She told me she was a bit hungover and the booking accidently was 60 minutes instead of 90 minutes. Not my fault, but our contact had messed up. I think damage was 1700 baht for 60 minutes, 2 times.

She was a very cute chick. Very much kawaii type. Not really as good looking as the pictures but still cute. Was a GFE, but a bit of a GFE when your girlfriend has a headache and just tries to please you anyways. Not a 10 point service but alright for the money.

I also ventured out to Lad Phrao for a threesome with two chicks. It was my first time using fiwfans so I wasn't really sure how to deal with the reception and stuff. In the end I just told them the room number and they let me up.

The ad said one of the girls was chubby but she was actually quite fat. The other girl was probably 8 years older than what they said. Both chicks had pretty terrible surgery done to them. Still, they were really nice ladies, spoke softly and were in general very polite. FS with both of them in order and I didn't do any switcharoos. Should probably have done that, but whatever. I also got a very relaxing 4 hands massage for over and hour so I left rejuvenated. 2000 baht total and I left pretty happy despite the letdown with the looks. One of the girls said I came too fast, but I wasn't too interested in going on with her forever.

I contacted a third girl whom I really wanted to meet but unfortunately she took a few days off she said.

During my Bangkok trip I walked around a bit but as I haven't been back for a long time I felt a bit lost. Went to a few agogo's but I wasn't really into it this time. The talent was quite lackluster at the places I went.

I will be back again in some months, hopefully, and then I'll come back with another report. Will probably hit up fiwfans a few more times, I like the selection and I'm getting less and less of a bar fly these days.

Oh yeah, I also did a few SW's from the famous place on the other side of the river and close to the infamous backpacker streets. 500 baht and something like 80 baht for the ST hotel. Just average stuff and I was quite drunk so I don't remember much of it. The other side of the river was very quiet whereas the areas next to the backpacker street was busy as usual.[/QUOTE]Great Review! Quick Question. When you went to Duangporn's Haven for the second time, what time of day was it? I've been there few times pre-covid and noticed after 10 pm the lineup is thin.

Hi,

Am traveling to Thailand in July. Has anyone booked a guide from Showaround. You book your private guide to show you around city, beaches, nightlife clubs and etc.

Any take on it. Worth trying or can be skipped?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2710985]It is actually quite easy. Their agents write in English. That doesn't mean that the girls necessarily speak English.

Regarding the other guys question, the SW area on Thonburi side, there used to be a bunch of streetwalkers around Wongwian Yai. Last time I was there I could only find a handful. The girl I chose actually looked decent but had a bit of a weird attitude.[/QUOTE]Total noob to Bangkok here. Been doing a little bit of research, and all of the girls I messaged on Fiwfans are refusing to come to my apartment / hotel. Is that a standard practice in Bangkok? Or is it just the nature of WGs on Fiwfans?

[QUOTE=TylerDurd;2712040]Total noob to Bangkok here. Been doing a little bit of research, and all of the girls I messaged on Fiwfans are refusing to come to my apartment / hotel. Is that a standard practice in Bangkok? Or is it just the nature of WGs on Fiwfans?[/QUOTE]Time spent traveling back and forth from hotels and condos is money lost for them.

BTW you're not messaging girls on Fiwfans for the most part. You're messaging an agent.

Unless it's a really slow day, and even then it's rare, they won't accept outcall.

If you meet a girl at her place, and she likes you. You can get them to come to your condo if you get her direct LINE.

[QUOTE=TylerDurd;2712040]Total noob to Bangkok here. Been doing a little bit of research, and all of the girls I messaged on Fiwfans are refusing to come to my apartment / hotel. Is that a standard practice in Bangkok? Or is it just the nature of WGs on Fiwfans?[/QUOTE]Most of the times it says in the ad (need to read Thai). Sometimes they do, but mostly not. That's only an internet thing. They seem comfy in their hotel rooms.

Anyone know if July 1 short time rooms in Nana Plaza will re-open again.

That 5 minute walk to an off property rooms seems a bit much.

[QUOTE=BossMan72;2711529]Hi,

Am traveling to Thailand in July. Has anyone booked a guide from Showaround. You book your private guide to show you around city, beaches, nightlife clubs and etc.

Any take on it. Worth trying or can be skipped?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]And special services?

[QUOTE=TConor;2712124]And special services?[/QUOTE]Hey buddy,

In my opinion, it's not worth the effort or money as none of them can be verified as the same person in the pic unless you shell out money.

Had better luck using TF to find someone to show you around the city. Just mention that in your profile description. Try using google translate and put it in the Thai language as well.

[QUOTE=TylerDurd;2712040]Total noob to Bangkok here. Been doing a little bit of research, and all of the girls I messaged on Fiwfans are refusing to come to my apartment / hotel. Is that a standard practice in Bangkok? Or is it just the nature of WGs on Fiwfans?[/QUOTE]The girls on Fiwfans are usually incall only. If you want a girl in your apartment / hotel, go to an agogo or beerbar, pick one up from the street (Sukhumvit Road between Soi 3 and Asok), or join Thai Friendly if you want to search online.

Hi,

How's the MR experience in Bangkok. What's the general price around. Don't want to shoot up the prices whatever they ask for. Visiting Thailand for first time.

Cheers.

Read a few reports about no action in bkk and I was a little concerned about my trip.

But was happy to see that bkk is bouncing back, I am yet to go and check the nana and soi cowboy area but patpong is alive again. Most go go bars are open including black pagoda, pink panther and kings castle. I see a lot of tourists in this region and the touts are out too who ask you if want to see pingpong show.

Report 1.

Yesterday went to see this famous fiwfan girl Teya, suggested by at SinfullyKorean in one of his post, agent messaged me to wait for the girl in the lobby of the hotel, in 4-5 minutes she comes down and takes me to her room, I was a little pissed off the moment she took off the mask, she had a lot of facial hair like a moustache, and I thought its some other girl, I am not a racist but all asian faces look same to me, but later when she undressed I saw the same tattoo which was in her pic so it was the same girl, she took me to the shower, cleaned me, gave me a BBBJ in the shower followed by a nice body rub with her boobs. I must say she has got really smooth skin and tight body. I dint liked her face a lot but her skills over power it all, she s really good at pleasing and attitude of customer satisfaction. Well I finished the deed soon in bed and moved out because I booked her only for 30 minutes, which costed me 1200 baht.

Score card.

Looks-6.

Body-7.

GFE-9.

Value for money-9.

WIR- May be, but the same agent has got so many other girls, I would want to try them instead.

Report 2.

Since I finished soon and it was still around 8 pm and there was nothing to do so I went for a massage with a pure intention of massage at the urban thai's new branch just at the crossing of rama 4 road, since they have just recently opened they had some promo offer and gave me full body oil massage for 500 baht, I opted for deep tissue massage, Came in a short beautiful girl named SA and took me to the room, told me to take shower and change but there were no disposable underwears, so just wrapped the towel, the girl comes in opens the towel and starts with the massage which was pretty good, in the middle asks if I wants extras, and I have just had sex like 10 minutes before and I had the willpower to say no when she qouted 1 k for hand job, and then she started pleeding and I thought I was anyways going to give her a tip since the massage was good, so we finalised at 500 and to my surprise the hand job was also pretty good, she did it very slow with a lot of teasing and pulling back. I think since its a new establishment girls are willing to please you. I might repeat the massage again some day and see if I can get SA to do more than just an HJ.

P.S.: I am in BKK for 2-3 more weeks if any bro wants to go out hunting together then PM me.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712265]Read a few reports about no action in bkk and I was a little concerned about my trip.

But was happy to see that bkk is bouncing back, I am yet to go and check the nana and soi cowboy area but patpong is alive again. Most go go bars are open including black pagoda, pink panther and kings castle. I see a lot of tourists in this region and the touts are out too who ask you if want to see pingpong show.

Report 1.

Yesterday went to see this famous fiwfan girl Teya, suggested by at SinfullyKorean in one of his post, agent messaged me to wait for the girl in the lobby of the hotel, in 4-5 minutes she comes down and takes me to her room, I was a little pissed off the moment she took off the mask, she had a lot of facial hair like a moustache, and I thought its some other girl, I am not a racist but all asian faces look same to me, but later when she undressed I saw the same tattoo which was in her pic so it was the same girl, she took me to the shower, cleaned me, gave me a BBBJ in the shower followed by a nice body rub with her boobs. I must say she has got really smooth skin and tight body. I dint liked her face a lot but her skills over power it all, she s really good at pleasing and attitude of customer satisfaction. Well I finished the deed soon in bed and moved out because I booked her only for 30 minutes, which costed me 1200 baht..[/QUOTE]Clarify about Silom. It's absolutely devoid of Tourist s.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712265]she had a lot of facial hair like a moustache, .
[/QUOTE]This is an all too common problem with Thai hookers. I don't understand why they don't spend a couple minutes per week grooming that area. I've moved to the next girl more than once because of it. I see that hair and my ladyboy alarm goes off.

Do most Thai girls have this problem and take care of it before we see them? I have seen one holiday girlfriend shave that area, but I don't know if that is the rule or the exception.

Took a small walk in the sukumvit area from the nana BTS towards ashok, could not venture into the nana Plaza as I was with my colleagues but the area felt vibrant! Lots of hookers on the streets and some of them were really hot. Will venture again tomorrow.

Went again to the newly opened urban thai, and now I am sure they expect you to be naked while getting an oil massage, I checked with the therapist and she said its only in this branch as its new and the owner wants to promote it.

Can any bro suggest a tried and tested place for a tantra massage in bkk? TIA.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2712277]Clarify about Silom. It's absolutely devoid of Tourist s.[/QUOTE]I saw a lot of Japanese and European guys there, but did not see even a single indian guy if that's what you consider as tourists. Saw a lot of indian and pakistani guys in the sukumvit area though.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712352]Took a small walk in the sukumvit area from the nana BTS towards ashok, could not venture into the nana Plaza as I was with my colleagues but the area felt vibrant! Lots of hookers on the streets and some of them were really hot. Will venture again tomorrow.

Went again to the newly opened urban Thai, and now I am sure they expect you to be naked while getting an oil massage, I checked with the therapist and she said its only in this branch as its new and the owner wants to promote it.

Can any bro suggest a tried and tested place for a tantra massage in bkk? TIA.[/QUOTE]Do you have an address for this new Urban Thai location?

Thanks.

Hello brothers,

I am visiting Bangkok for the first time and need some help. I am looking for a good nuru massage followed by FS. Could you please recommend the best place in Bangkok? Since I don't come here often, want to experience the best here.

Also, can you recommend a girl who can provide me a good GFE. Someone, I can take to my hotel room without hotel staff creating a ruckus.

Cheers!

Coolcupid.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712352]Took a small walk in the sukumvit area from the nana BTS towards ashok, could not venture into the nana Plaza as I was with my colleagues but the area felt vibrant! Lots of hookers on the streets and some of them were really hot. Will venture again tomorrow.

Went again to the newly opened urban thai, and now I am sure they expect you to be naked while getting an oil massage, I checked with the therapist and she said its only in this branch as its new and the owner wants to promote it.

Can any bro suggest a tried and tested place for a tantra massage in bkk? TIA.[/QUOTE]What services were offered at what rates?

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712352] Went again to the newly opened urban thai, and now I am sure they expect you to be naked while getting an oil massage, I checked with the therapist and she said its only in this branch as its new and the owner wants to promote it. [/QUOTE]I have been there several times. They always offer hand job during oil and thai massage upstairs. Several other "normal" massage places in the same area also offer hand jobs.

I think you can find better looking women in the area if you are after that. But of course each to their own.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2712455]I have been there several times. They always offer hand job during oil and thai massage upstairs. Several other "normal" massage places in the same area also offer hand jobs.

I think you can find better looking women in the area if you are after that. But of course each to their own.[/QUOTE]What is the regular price for a handjob?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2712375]Do you have an address for this new Urban Thai location?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Urban Thaï Massage, 1 Rama IV Rd, Suriya Wong.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712520]What is the regular price for a handjob?[/QUOTE]Old Hag-300 baht.

Pretty - 1,000 plus.

DOKI DOKI Massage is one of the better ones for Nuru service. Ask for lady Aunun (my preference, other may differ).

Regarding outcall service, try Smooci dot com. They are like Uber for sex. You can select the girl and order online. The girl shows up at your door in your hotel (er. Most of the hotels).

I have experienced both of above and satisfied.

[QUOTE=CoolCupid;2712402]Hello brothers,

I am visiting Bangkok for the first time and need some help. I am looking for a good nuru massage followed by FS. Could you please recommend the best place in Bangkok? Since I don't come here often, want to experience the best here.

Also, can you recommend a girl who can provide me a good GFE. Someone, I can take to my hotel room without hotel staff creating a ruckus.

Cheers!

Coolcupid.[/QUOTE]

Read a few articles about prostate massage and was curious to try it once, any experienced member can share some recommendations?

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712635]Read a few articles about prostate massage and was curious to try it once, any experienced member can share some recommendations?[/QUOTE]I went to Analisa massage in Soi 6. I originally wanted a body to body massage or oil massage (90 minutes with unlimited shots). The boss lady or whoever it was upsold me to "prostate massage", she said a few hundred more and it includes everything that the one I wanted. So I agreed, I couldn't decide on a girl so she recommended one she said is experienced and skilled.

The massage was pretty good, girl was nice. "Prostate massage" I have no idea wtf I was expecting, maybe something incredible. It felt like having a finger (the girl had a disposable glove for that) up in your ass. I was not aroused by that, it was not sexy, it was not stimulating, a bit painful and quite awkward. I just wanted this part to end and I didn't know if I should tell the girl.

I have no f*ing idea what was I supposed to feel during prostate massage or what the girl was supposed to be doing. On the other hand high-end soapy or oily massages are probably the best thing I experienced, I think good high-end soapy / oily massage is always better than "prostate massage" and often better than normal sex (especially when it includes stuff like shower together, sauna or jacuzzi).

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712635]Read a few articles about prostate massage and was curious to try it once, any experienced member can share some recommendations?[/QUOTE]Done properly you can experience an explosive finish. Be advised that some guys will not be able to get hard for a day or two afterwards as it might empty out all your reserve cum.

Recently I go for the exterior prostate massage and HJ and stop it before I cum. This sets me up for a great FS finish.

After a slow week on Sat Rainbow 4 and 5 were heaving. Actually a lot of Barfing going on too.

I don't even know which one but one had some Stars back to work, what a difference just 3 real pretties do to a line-up.

When the Koreans and Japanese start travelling there won't be any seats,. Standing room only.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2712664]Done properly you can experience an explosive finish. Be advised that some guys will not be able to get hard for a day or two afterwards as it might empty out all your reserve cum.

Recently I go for the exterior prostate massage and HJ and stop it before I cum. This sets me up for a great FS finish.[/QUOTE]Where did you get it done from?

[QUOTE=Vacodovacodo;2712654]I went to Analisa massage in Soi 6. I originally wanted a body to body massage or oil massage (90 minutes with unlimited shots). The boss lady or whoever it was upsold me to "prostate massage", she said a few hundred more and it includes everything that the one I wanted. So I agreed, I couldn't decide on a girl so she recommended one she said is experienced and skilled.

The massage was pretty good, girl was nice. "Prostate massage" I have no idea wtf I was expecting, maybe something incredible. It felt like having a finger (the girl had a disposable glove for that) up in your ass. I was not aroused by that, it was not sexy, it was not stimulating, a bit painful and quite awkward. I just wanted this part to end and I didn't know if I should tell the girl.

I have no f*ing idea what was I supposed to feel during prostate massage or what the girl was supposed to be doing. On the other hand high-end soapy or oily massages are probably the best thing I experienced, I think good high-end soapy / oily massage is always better than "prostate massage" and often better than normal sex (especially when it includes stuff like shower together, sauna or jacuzzi).[/QUOTE]Dg8787 has got a completely different review about it, now I am in a soup. Was the rest of the massage and service worth what you paid for at analisa. If it was then may be I can take a risk just to try something new.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712635]Read a few articles about prostate massage and was curious to try it once, any experienced member can share some recommendations?[/QUOTE]If you want a girl to stick a dildo up your ass, they will, they don't care, its less work for them. If that's your thing, have at it, just before you start or pick a girl, be clear what you want her to do.

[QUOTE=CoolCupid;2712402]Hello brothers,

I am visiting Bangkok for the first time and need some help. I am looking for a good nuru massage followed by FS. Could you please recommend the best place in Bangkok? Since I don't come here often, want to experience the best here.

Also, can you recommend a girl who can provide me a good GFE. Someone, I can take to my hotel room without hotel staff creating a ruckus.

Cheers!

Coolcupid.[/QUOTE]Looks like SadGuru already offered you 2 suggestions.

It seems you are a little bit worried about some hotel staff giving you a problem (probably much different in your country).

If you are really concerned for your safety having some unknown woman going up to your room, you can always ask that the hotel front desk keep her ID until she comes back down. This used to be a normal practice in some hotels, but very rare these days. Generally, you would establish contact with the girl on WhatsApp. Pre arrange the time she estimates for arrival at your hotel lobby. Send her your foto, and a foto of where you will meet her in the lobby. She might ask you for your room number, but that is only for verification that you are actually at that hotel. Elevators in most hotels require a room key, so it is not possible for someone to just go up to your room.

It's not easy for a first time visit, and not easy to read the last 100 pages of this forum (but you should try to do so), so just relax, and enjoy your time. Many Indians come to Bangkok, so you might even find someone to help you.

Could any experienced lad share how easy it is to get BBFSCIP in BKK or Pattaya? How many girls you need to go through on average?

Hey guys,

Has the Thai govt done away with the restrictions to enter the country? The whole Thai pass fiasco is over after July 1 and can one come to Thailand without being driven crazy with covid regulations or demands?

Try the back street of Soi Cowboy, turn left at the end. There is a row of massage shops on the right side. Take your pick, but be ready to bargain, as they will give you the "hard sell". I negotiated to 2,000 baht, which is probably high, but the service was excellent and, well worth it in my opinion. Best of luck!

Planning a trip to Thailand can anyone tell me which is best time to visit thailand and where I can find pick up values. Just checked on internet and found this pick up bar video.

[URL]https://youtu.be/A0PbzTmvd3g[/URL]

Hey experts!

Is there a disadvantage if I get an AirBnb near safari world which is located about 45-1 hour from the center?

I find Airbnb lot more comfort to order escorts, and I don't mind relying on taxi or other public transportation.

But will it be a problem for escorts to come to my appt? I mean, other than extra money for the travel expenses? Do they charge the travel time in the time I order to spend with the girl? (I. E if I want her for 3 hours does that include the travel time?

Also, I saw escorts mentioning tour service. It could be nice, as a loner in Bangkok, if I have a companion to show me around. Rather than just having sex and all but do they really help and explain about Bangkok in general and help with finding good restaurant and attractions in daytime? In other words: is it worth it?

Thanks!

Hey experts!

I wonder if it's worth renting an AirBnb appt located a tiny bit from the center.

Planning on ordering an escort to come there, but will it make her charge more for it? Or even worse, will some just refuse to come based on the distance?

Also, most escorts mention "guide" service. Is it a real thing? If I want her to show me around. Explain about the city, maybe some history idk I know some people order 8+ hours, what do they do other than sex and restaurants? I imagine it can be nice to have the escort showing me around I think. Isn't that GFE?

Thanks!!

I dropped by Nana for the first time in a couple of months. Things are definitely picking up, most clubs are open and there is a sustainable level of girls. Customers are definitely thin on the ground on the quite days like Monday to Thursday.

The ladies are now mostly wearing bkikis or even topless. Previously they had to wear dresses to comply with covid rules. They were deemed restaurants apparently in order to open up.

I observation. As there did not seem to be a ton of girls, most only quoted short time at the Hotel within Nana. I guess to get back and keep the club full. Spanky's was even quoting 4 k ST / 7 k LT, that is one way to ensure the girls are always present within the club WTF?

All in all had a decent time in there still not quite back to normal times.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2712989] Renting an AirBnb 1 hour drive from sukhumvit [/QUOTE]1 hour away from the action? Why would you do that? There's no shortage of centrally located, affordable accommodation. The whole point of Thailand is that you get out, and you're there.

Yes, being far out will limit your options. No idea whether some unspecified escort will ask for extra money, they're already ridiculously overpriced, so who knows.

Also, if by a drive, you mean no mass transit and just taxis, that's a nightmare. A 1 h drive can turn into a 2 h drive at the wrong time. Stay where you want to be.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2712960]Hey experts!

Is there a disadvantage if I get an AirBnb near safari world which is located about 45-1 hour from the center?

I find Airbnb lot more comfort to order escorts, and I don't mind relying on taxi or other public transportation.

But will it be a problem for escorts to come to my appt? I mean, other than extra money for the travel expenses? Do they charge the travel time in the time I order to spend with the girl? (I. E if I want her for 3 hours does that include the travel time?

Also, I saw escorts mentioning tour service. It could be nice, as a loner in Bangkok, if I have a companion to show me around. Rather than just having sex and all but do they really help and explain about Bangkok in general and help with finding good restaurant and attractions in daytime? In other words: is it worth it?

Thanks![/QUOTE]1 hour away is a bad idea, I would never do that. I am living near patpong and so happy with that, sometimes you don't get the girl you want or the girls ditches you last minute. No problem just walk out and choose another one, or get a massage or go to a gogo bar, there are so many options available that too any time of the day. Yesterday night I could not sleep so went out for a walk, it was around 2 am and the gogo bars girls were going back home, just picked up 1 hotti and fucked her till 4 in the morning. Thats the fun of being in thailand, you will miss all this if you stay out of the main action area.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2712960]Hey experts!

Is there a disadvantage if I get an AirBnb near safari world which is located about 45-1 hour from the center?

I find Airbnb lot more comfort to order escorts, and I don't mind relying on taxi or other public transportation.

But will it be a problem for escorts to come to my appt? I mean, other than extra money for the travel expenses? Do they charge the travel time in the time I order to spend with the girl? (I. E if I want her for 3 hours does that include the travel time?

Also, I saw escorts mentioning tour service. It could be nice, as a loner in Bangkok, if I have a companion to show me around. Rather than just having sex and all but do they really help and explain about Bangkok in general and help with finding good restaurant and attractions in daytime? In other words: is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Bangkok has unbelievably bad traffic. In some places, I have gotten into taxis going West on major road when I was going someplace to the East. 30 minutes later I was passing the spot I was picked up finally going the other direction. Not joking. It can turn into an absolute fucking mess.

Stay closer. Find a map of BTS (skytrain) and MRT (subway) and stay at least near those lines. They are fast, easy to use, and a very pleasant ride.

Or just stay near sukhumvit between Soi 4 and 24.

Escorts will want extra to get all the fucking way out to wherever. I imagine you could convince some of them to travel all the way to Chang Mai if you paid enough, but why?

If you want to try one of the massage shops, that's an hour in a taxi, on a good day, if your lucky.

Find a girl in a bar or a gogo, 20 minutes into the taxi she's going to get the car stopped to get the fuck out and maybe even ask you for money to get back, at least. That's just way out in nowhere, they won't want to go there.

And yes, I'm sure if you want to pay an escort to show you around, they will happily take your money. Don't expect them to know a damned thing about history, "compulsory" education in Thailand ends at 8th grade. Get used to sitting in a taxi with her. Any site seeing is an hour away, more really, from safari world to what Po or the grand palace, you're going to go to lower sukhumvit area, and than another hour (or more) past it. There probably isn't a whole bunch to go see out where you're looking. Most of them have little idea how to explain anything that might be of interest to you about Bangkok, or Thailand. Even common thing like Buddhism, spirit houses, etc. , don't expect much. Food they can probably tell you all about, but don't know any restaurants that aren't an hour away.

If you're worried about escorts coming to a hotel, especially around lower sukhumvit, just don't. Every hotel there sees dozens come through their lobby every night. Usually coming in with a guy and leaving alone. Some hotels, you could just hang out in an elevator and hit on any girl "going down". Ya. It's that normal in these hotels. Those hundreds of women working in gogo bars in Nana and on the street in front of it go somewhere with the guys that pick them up. And, surprisingly, many of these hotels let girls go right up to your room door alone if you call an escort. (I made private arrangement with girls in massage parlors several times, first time expecting call from the desk or lobby, but no, right up to the room door. At the Westin.)

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712711]Dg8787 has got a completely different review about it, now I am in a soup. Was the rest of the massage and service worth what you paid for at analisa. If it was then maybe I can take a risk just to try something new.[/QUOTE]It's really beyond me how the hell this other guy was unable to let the girl sticking her finger up his ass to stop, that he didn't like it.

If you don't like it just tell her to stop. Even if on the off chance she really gets into fingering guys asses, she knows she'll get another chance with another guy soon enough.

And if she's worked there a while, she probably understands this all better than you, and while she may want to try harder to make you like it, cause the other guy did, and maybe she's just doing something wrong this time, I still can't imagine her not stopping if you just tell he too.

Hey,

I'll be in BKK for the first time since 2019 in one month. I'll be staying by the Ploenchit BTS.

Anyways, are there a lot of street walkers available in the Nana / Asok area at night? I recall near the Stumble Inn there would be a ton of freelancers. Curious of that is still the case.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2712989]Hey experts!

I wonder if it's worth renting an AirBnb appt located a tiny bit from the center.

Thanks!![/QUOTE]There are plenty of AirBnb in the lower sukhumwit area. They will work out about 1/3 cheaper than a hotel.

Sukhumwit Road starts at the city center and each lane to the left is an even number soi, Each lane to the right is an odd number soi.

Lower Sukhuwit goes from soi 2 to perhaps soi 23/22 which is Asoke on the BTS (skytrain) There is tons of action in this area.

Soi 25 up to 50 are still good and many people stay there. The further up the sois to cheaper it gets geneneraly.

A condo on soi 50 will be 2/3 the cost of one at Asoke soi 21.

[QUOTE=Mahya;2712935]Planning a trip to Thailand can anyone tell me which is best time to visit thailand and where I can find pick up values. Just checked on internet and found this pick up bar video.

[URL]https://youtu.be/A0PbzTmvd3g[/URL][/QUOTE]Most gogo bars are open now, you can come any time. Sawadi kaaaaaaa.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2713273]Most gogo bars are open now, you can come any time. Sawadi kaaaaaaa.[/QUOTE]555 x 1. 50% = 832.5 .

[QUOTE=Meorme;2713142].

Stay closer. Find a map of BTS (skytrain) and MRT (subway) and stay at least near those lines. They are fast, easy to use, and a very pleasant ride.

If you're worried about escorts coming to a hotel, especially around lower sukhumvit, just don't. Every hotel there sees dozens come through their lobby every night. Usually coming in with a guy and leaving alone. Some hotels, you could just hang out in an elevator and hit on any girl "going down". Ya. It's that normal in these hotels. Those hundreds of women working in gogo bars in Nana and on the street in front of it go somewhere with the guys that pick them up. And, surprisingly, many of these hotels let girls go right up to your room door alone if you call an escort. (I made private arrangement with girls in massage parlors several times, first time expecting call from the desk or lobby, but no, right up to the room door. At the Westin.)[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for the detailed reply!

I'm listening to your advice, will go to a hotel for sure.

Can you give 2 names of hotels you suggest? Money isn't my top concern, but also not looking for too luxurious hotel since I guess I'll be out of it for the most part of my trip.

What's most important for me is a big bed and a big shower. A good breakfast is also a big advantage. Thanks again!!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2713202]There are plenty of AirBnb in the lower sukhumwit area. They will work out about 1/3 cheaper than a hotel.

Sukhumwit Road starts at the city center and each lane to the left is an even number soi, Each lane to the right is an odd number soi.

Lower Sukhuwit goes from soi 2 to perhaps soi 23/22 which is Asoke on the BTS (skytrain) There is tons of action in this area.

Soi 25 up to 50 are still good and many people stay there. The further up the sois to cheaper it gets geneneraly.

A condo on soi 50 will be 2/3 the cost of one at Asoke soi 21.[/QUOTE]Each lane to the left is ODD, each lane to the right EVEN.

I shouls not post after beers - 555.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2713140]1 hour away is a bad idea, I would never do that. I am living near patpong and so happy with that, sometimes you don't get the girl you want or the girls ditches you last minute. No problem just walk out and choose another one, or get a massage or go to a gogo bar, there are so many options available that too any time of the day. Yesterday night I could not sleep so went out for a walk, it was around 2 am and the gogo bars girls were going back home, just picked up 1 hotti and fucked her till 4 in the morning. Thats the fun of being in thailand, you will miss all this if you stay out of the main action area.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. And I'm sure that doesn't include traffic. There are 100's of reasonable accommodation options within walking distance of Sukumvit that are very, very safe. Also, I'd recommend you stay in the Sukumvit area until you get your feel for the area as it is very ex-pat friendly and safer. You will have no problems in finding talent to go to your hotel as long as you have baht.

N_R.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2713309]Thank you very much for the detailed reply!

I'm listening to your advice, will go to a hotel for sure.

Can you give 2 names of hotels you suggest? Money isn't my top concern, but also not looking for too luxurious hotel since I guess I'll be out of it for the most part of my trip.

What's most important for me is a big bed and a big shower. A good breakfast is also a big advantage. Thanks again!![/QUOTE][URL]agoda.com[/URL]

Adelphi Suites Bangkok, Dream Hotel Bangkok, Radisson Suites Bangkok Sukhumvit all these range $40 to $60 per night.

The list of hotels is endless near Sukhumvit.

Airbnb near Sukhumvit too.

[QUOTE=SsivTapti;2713603][URL]agoda.com[/URL]

Adelphi Suites Bangkok, Dream Hotel Bangkok, Radisson Suites Bangkok Sukhumvit all these range $40 to $60 per night.

The list of hotels is endless near Sukhumvit.

Airbnb near Sukhumvit too.[/QUOTE]Adelphi Suites is great! I usually stay there when I'm in Bangkok. It's location is great. Just down the street from the Nana BTS station. Clean and friendly staff. Breakfast isn't shabby either!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2713194]Hey,

I'll be in BKK for the first time since 2019 in one month. I'll be staying by the Ploenchit BTS.

Anyways, are there a lot of street walkers available in the Nana / Asok area at night? I recall near the Stumble Inn there would be a ton of freelancers. Curious of that is still the case.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Available but of lower than low quality.

Has anyone had luck in finding any cute young no baby damage massage girls in BKK?

Care to share via PM?

Perhaps you have just left BKK and won't see her again, pass the info on the a frequent poster on (hopefully good info).

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2712709]Where did you get it done from?[/QUOTE]I had the first one done by an older Chinese woman in the US. Years ago I had some done in BKK. It is always a hit and miss with different masseuses and shops. The better ones I have had was a massage shop in Manila that specialized in it before Covid. I believe they have closed down.

Some of the Korean massage spas in Angeles City, PH do it. They call it Jelipsum massage. Not all are pros at it. The pros know how to massage the exterior of the prostate and testicles and slow strokes on the penis. I tell them not to finish me off as I find this Jelipsum massage really prepares me for an explosive FS finish later.

You might look for a Korean massage spa, if they existing in BKK.

BTW, during the first times I had to get past my homophobic feeling with someone playing with my A hole.

Good luck in finding one.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2713309]Thank you very much for the detailed reply!

I'm listening to your advice, will go to a hotel for sure.

Can you give 2 names of hotels you suggest? Money isn't my top concern, but also not looking for too luxurious hotel since I guess I'll be out of it for the most part of my trip.

What's most important for me is a big bed and a big shower. A good breakfast is also a big advantage. Thanks again!![/QUOTE]If only there were a section here on Bangkok hotels.

It has been a while.

Lucky I spent a few days in LOS after the long COVID hiatus. Pretty much everything is back to normal, however on a less busy level. Prices gone up but if you cannot get laid in LOS, well shame on you.

Thailand pass and insurance are past but were actually no real problem, 30 minutes max and you have all you need for immigration. Get the free SIM card and pay the online rates NOT what they post on the booths at luggage pick up. I paid 300 for 16 days 20 GB (Dtac) got a "free" SIM card with my Covid insurance but am sure if you ask you will get the same deal. Change some money at the orange Superrich downstairs before boarding the AirportLink, if you still have 35 Baht better change at the green one's headquarter for the best rates or wherever you consider convenient. Both have Apps so rates are fully transparent.

Get a hotel in Asoke area for convenient logistics and go fuck your brains out. Hotels allow early check in and do not insist on visitor registration in my experience as guests are still scarce. Line is a must, OKC and TFF can be helpful but I found the whole online thing time consuming and little productive. Got an appoint from a freelancer 2000ST but she never showed up at my hotel.

Massage parlours: same as always but they now ask 1000 for a HJ and 2500 for FS. The latter you may get down to 2000, still to much IMHO for the quality (or lack thereof) you receive, but the options are everywhere. For a good massage avoid the ones with the suggestive clad ladies trying to lure you in but I found the massage quality varying even with the veggie ones.

Specialised MP: Tulips kept the old prices and A+ service, SW is closed (RIP my favourite), Cherry told me only normal massages but I might have been too early in the day. All have a lack of customers and providers are older and of medium looks but lots of enthusiasm and experience.

Soapies: there is a new one in / near Soi 23 called Aya with nice decorations (for whoever that is important), high prices but a decent lineup (get their line and they will send you the lineup of the day). Standard room starts at 2300 for 60 min at current discount, 4000 gives you a 90 min in a Jacuzzi room and goes up to 10 k for 2 girls in the Super VIP room. Girls seem to partially come from former Eden but I found no A+ service on offer. It is owned by a bunch of foreigners so let's see how long it lasts. I find it overpriced but you know what you get. The other soapies seem closed, at least the ones I know (Annies, Nataree and the ones around it but I did not a lot of research by foot, I had better things to do).

BJ bars: woods still a cheap 800 Baht but few girls, a bit rushed service, 7 Heaven 1300, cute girls well trained but a bit sterile and pricey. Did not find Dugaporn (Heaven, Lolitas, Kasalong etc. Are gone.

SW on Sukhumvit and Thermae: lots of newly female outside, in Thermae quality rather low (also for the non alcoholic beverages AVOID) prices up to 3000 be for ST, I found it depressing and service not matching the prices, even I got a cute little spinner on her first day (or month / year LOL) on the job. Prices on the street quoted were 1500, even 1000 but I did not find that worth the bad looks. Enough choices though.

Soi 23: most bars open now with girls outside and no customers inside, Arab bars all still closed (sharks is a makeshift restaurant LOL), not the party atmosphere from the past and the cuties outside seem still to be the marketing and not working squad.

Nana Plaza: more action in general.

Airport departure very fast and efficient, no need to show up hours in advance. Hope that helps, pm for more details and enjoy not having to wear masks, you lucky bastards! At the moment Thailand seems together with German FKK the easiest option for a sexacation.

Go enjoy.

FA.

Fernando. I sent you a PM.

I should have chosen Suzhou4987 instead of "Beijing" don't go there anymore.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2713309]Thank you very much for the detailed reply!

I'm listening to your advice, will go to a hotel for sure.

Can you give 2 names of hotels you suggest? Money isn't my top concern, but also not looking for too luxurious hotel since I guess I'll be out of it for the most part of my trip.

What's most important for me is a big bed and a big shower. A good breakfast is also a big advantage. Thanks again!![/QUOTE]The best breakfast I can remember having was at the Landmark. I can't remember anything about the bed or shower though, it was many years ago and they were remodeling (my soon to be remodeled room was a good deal at the time).

More recent trips, I've traveled enough for work to stay with reward points at hotels I wouldn't otherwise recommend. But there is at least 100 of them to choose from. Too many really, overwhelming selection.

[QUOTE=Meorme;2714054]The best breakfast I can remember having was at the Landmark. I can't remember anything about the bed or shower though, it was many years ago and they were remodeling (my soon to be remodeled room was a good deal at the time).

More recent trips, I've traveled enough for work to stay with reward points at hotels I wouldn't otherwise recommend. But there is at least 100 of them to choose from. Too many really, overwhelming selection.[/QUOTE]One hell of a buffet breakfast both on the roof and on the ground level. My only problem was when I thought I had made it from the bar through the lobby to the elevators, the hotel dick would always manage to assist me to the front desk to pay a 500 baht companion fee. Of course this had nothing to do with breakfast, more a happy hour ritual.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2713982]Fernando. I sent you a PM.

I should have chosen Suzhou4987 instead of "Beijing" don't go there anymore.[/QUOTE]None of us does, sadly. Time to find greener pastures.

FA.

Nana still a bit lacking of customers.

Rainbow 5 does have several very attractive girls on display.

Surprise surprise above mentioned have no problem getting pulled off stage while the rest wonder What About Me.

Looks always matters.

You regularly hear that there is not really beautiful girls in the BKK in Nana, Cowboy, Patpong.

I agree with this, any super hotties that appear at one of there places get pretty quickly sniped and taken out of the game.

I frequently chat to insta ho types online. That is the new normal to find the super hottie model types and the rates they quote reflect this. Standard rate for these types tend to be anywhere from 7 k to 15 k.

This is not about dangers of being a Bargirl.

Japan. Porn star is found tied to a tree deceased, maybe 2 weeks.

What I found interesting is she charges $1,000 at session. What made me double take is she isn't that Pretty. I'd believe she would have a hard time meeting agoho quotas for full salary.

Now we know why Japanese salarymen are so hot for Thailand.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2712989]Hey experts!

I wonder if it's worth renting an AirBnb appt located a tiny bit from the center.

Planning on ordering an escort to come there, but will it make her charge more for it? Or even worse, will some just refuse to come based on the distance?

Also, most escorts mention "guide" service. Is it a real thing? If I want her to show me around. Explain about the city, maybe some history idk I know some people order 8+ hours, what do they do other than sex and restaurants? I imagine it can be nice to have the escort showing me around I think. Isn't that GFE?

Thanks!![/QUOTE]1 hour away from the action? Nonsense, as many said.

An escort to be a tourist guide? Good luck.

An escort to show you around restaurants? Bkk has a restaurant every 50 meters.

GFE is something else and takes place in the bedroom.

Escorts usually charges 5000 or more for ST (not saying it's appropriate price), they might ask you 15/20 k each day, plus her food, beverages and I am sure she will have some shopping to do.

Hi Friends.

I have a 9 HR layover at Don Muang airport and not sure if its worth to go through the immigration and pay 2000 Baht for visa and then take a hotel for same cost just for 5-6 hours.

Any information on the SPAs at the airport? Do they offer extras there? And how are the sleeping Pods there .

Thanks in advance.

Mitian.

[QUOTE=Mitian1994;2714603]Hi Friends.

I have a 9 HR layover at Don Muang airport and not sure if its worth to go through the immigration and pay 2000 Baht for visa and then take a hotel for same cost just for 5-6 hours.

Any information on the SPAs at the airport? Do they offer extras there? And how are the sleeping Pods there .

Thanks in advance.

Mitian.[/QUOTE]Where are you coming from and where are you going. If say Phuket or some island, leave a day early and enjoy a night in town.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2712989]Hey experts!

I wonder if it's worth renting an AirBnb appt located a tiny bit from the center.

Planning on ordering an escort to come there, but will it make her charge more for it? Or even worse, will some just refuse to come based on the distance?

Also, most escorts mention "guide" service. Is it a real thing? If I want her to show me around. Explain about the city, maybe some history idk I know some people order 8+ hours, what do they do other than sex and restaurants? I imagine it can be nice to have the escort showing me around I think. Isn't that GFE?[/QUOTE]Just an advice.

This forum has so much info. If you have read them you will realise that BKK is the last place on earth that you would waste your money on an escort. There will be plenty of regular girls to guide you in the city, if you invest some time on Tinder or any app that help you connect with semi pros or regulars. Paying for escort in BKK is a joke. A real big one!

Hey folks,

I will be traveling first time to Bangkok.

Please suggest good hotel to stay and near by some hot area to feel heat.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Vankee2010;2715032]Hey folks,

I will be traveling first time to Bangkok.

Please suggest good hotel to stay and near by some hot area to feel heat.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There are hundreds, check the Bangkok Hotels thread for comments on a few specific places. Recommend staying within 5 minute walk of Sukhumvit Road Between Nana Entertainment Plaza and Soi Cowboy. Google maps is your friend. Also, [URL]Hotels.com[/URL], [URL]Agoda.com[/URL] and some others.

I'm typing this FR as I'm sitting in Billboards. 1:00 am the crowd is dying down a little bit but this place was packed when I first got here around 12:45. 160 for a Heineken. Lots of pretty Thai ladies but I would say there are slightly more dudes at this time. I went to Doki Doki earlier in the day so I'll post about that later. No one has a mask on here or in the whole plaza. Everything is slowly getting back to normal.

Hey guys, just thought that I would take the time to provide you with my views on the current situation here in Bangkok. This is just my honest unfiltered opinion for those who are interested in flying in for a visit. You should not have to spend a ton of money to come here just to find out how things truly are.

Getting straight to the point, Bangkok is nowhere near where it was. It would appear that it will take at least a year to get up and running. I am not even talking about getting back to where it was. There are whole sections of the city that no longer exist. The food court in Siam Center is gone. There are still some restaurants there, but the food court is gone. The outdoor market northeast of Central World, to the east of the Palladium is now just an empty lot. You would not even be able to tell that there used to be a market there.

In 2019, before they closed the border, Bangkok had over 25 million tourists. You can just imagine how much of an impact losing that many visitors would have on the local economy / infrastructure.

Entire hotels have been, and still are, shuttered. One of my favorite hotels in the area won't be open for business until August / September. It would appear that some will never reopen. I walked by a 10-15 story hotel today that is shuttered (very depressing.).

Getting a taxi (Grab), is a chore and more expensive. Before it was like $2-3 for wherever you wanted to go. Now, I feel that I MUST get a SUV (7/ trip) just to be sure that I will find something dependable / available. When I have tried to just get a car, I have received messages that there were no drivers available, or if I did connect with a driver, the driver stiffed me, and I ended up having to get a SUV anyway.

If you do not already have a credit / debit card added to Grab, get ready to have to pay for your taxi with cash. There appears to be some new law in place that prevents foreigners from using their credit cards. Bolt would only allow me to use cash. I eventually found a way around this for Grab, but it was not straight forward.

You no longer need to wear masks anywhere in Bangkok, except for public transport. HOWEVER, everyone still wears masks, and I mean EVERYONE. Although some of the major businesses, like Siam Paragon have signs up to let you know that masks are optional, they are not optional everywhere. I have been asked to put my mask on in several modern well-ventilated locations. Today, security in the Watsons pharmacy made me put on a mask. The Silom Complex has a sign at the entrance asking you to wear a mask throughout the mall. In short, the government no longer requires you to wear a mask, but business can still require it. It is hard to not feel like a "dirty farang", when you are like 1 of 1,000 without a mask.

In terms of the "talent", gone are the young, vibrant, spinners that I knew and loved. They have essentially lost 2. 5 years of recruitment and a lot of girls returned home, so that makes sense. I would also assume that those who returned home told horror stories of how they were not making any money. That would scare off some of the potential newer recruits. Bars will not be able to get in new talent until the tourists come back with a vengeance. There is not even enough tourists here right now to support those who are already working. All that will take some time. For now, you will need to deal with lower quality service providers.

All of that said, Thailand is still Thailand. The Siam vibe is still alive and well here. The food remains phenomenal, and truly mind-blowing gastronomical experiences can be found throughout Bangkok.

If you are planning on coming here, especially if you came here before, you would need to become more of an explorer as opposed to someone returning to known stomping grounds. Gone are a lot of the places that I used to eat at. However, I was able to find other places that are just as good.

[QUOTE=Vankee2010;2715032]Hey folks,

I will be traveling first time to Bangkok.

Please suggest good hotel to stay and near by some hot area to feel heat.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Lots of places on Sois 2 and 4. I've always been partial to Soi 2 since it's a quieter and less traffic, but it's still close to the action, such as it is, in Soi 4.

[QUOTE=Juanjo767;2715111]Hey guys, just thought that I would take the time to provide you with my views on the current situation here in Bangkok. This is just my honest unfiltered opinion for those who are interested in flying in for a visit. You should not have to spend a ton of money to come here just to find out how things truly are.

Getting straight to the point, Bangkok is nowhere near where it was. It would appear that it will take at least a year to get up and running. I am not even talking about getting back to where it was. There are whole sections of the city that no longer exist. The food court in Siam Center is gone. There are still some restaurants there, but the food court is gone. The outdoor market northeast of Central World, to the east of the Palladium is now just an empty lot. You would not even be able to tell that there used to be a market there.

In 2019, before they closed the border, Bangkok had over 25 million tourists. You can just imagine how much of an impact losing that many visitors would have on the local economy / infrastructure.

Entire hotels have been, and still are, shuttered. One of my favorite hotels in the area won't be open for business until August / September. It would appear that some will never reopen. I walked by a 10-15 story hotel today that is shuttered (very depressing.).[/QUOTE]Going to start off by saying, I'm a newbie to Bangkok but not to Thailand or SEA in general. I just went to other places cause my thought process was "big city = bigger prices". So far that has proved me right. This is my first time spending any real time in BKK and getting a feel for what it had to offer in comparison to Phuk and Patts.

Mask thing is weird just as he said. Masks everywhere as a Courtesy honestly. I don't mind it. I do remove mine when I'm walking or have enough space around people but on the MRT or Skytrain its mandatory. I've not been asked to put it on in Terminal 21 or any other mall or anything so YMMMV.

Janjo has not been the only person to express that a lot of talent left BKK and its plain to see. Shuttered Bars, Hotels, Gogos, Clubs, businesses everywhere. I have a friend that lives in BKK and he was showing me around all the "spots" like Si lom, nana, cowboy, soi 22 and a few others and you could see the quality just isn't what he claimed it used to be. My entire thought process while here for 2 weeks was "I'm not impressed". The bars or massage places all have older than I'm used to seeing ladies in them. Most looks to be mid-30's into 40's. The most good looking ones are as expected at the Gogos.

Price wise I was shocked. I am not sure it just after effects of COVID or if its always been this way. I was frequently being Quoted upwards of 3-4 k baht for ST and around 7 k for LT. Again I will preface this by saying some of the places we were going were not my usual bag. I don't usually like Gogos so I can't say that's standard but even there and reading some of the reports lead me to believe otherwise. My friend was not offered anywhere near those amounts but he speaks Thai and often did the negotiating for me. Bars weren't full, There was plenty of walking room even among the busy hours (8 pm-2 am) and there seemed to be a lack of "customers".

Tinder, TF, and Skout has been my lifeline out here for that kind of fun. I've been catfished once (she has good pictures but they were obviously pre-covid as she gained about 20 kg during that time). Many of them have said they used to work at the bars and clubs but since covid turned them down they turned to Camsites and Freelance work and its been well for them.

Food is Great. People outside of Gogo's are genuinely amazing. A lot of great conversations and people sharing experiences. Even the Taxi driver don't seem as pushy. (Pre-covid persistent Taxi drivers trying to take me to a massage was worse than flies on shit, now a simple "no I'm good" and they move along.) One night the friend of mind and I sat on the street with some locals and shared their liquor and chilled and ate food and shot the shit until 4 am. It was chill.

To wrap things up. As a essentially first timer to BKK I would say its still fun to be had. But if your expecting mindblowing experiences like the stories or expecting anything of "how it used to be" than shelf that. Things have shifted and its plain to see even to someone who hasn't been here. I'll be kicking down to Patts in a few days. From reports and my contacts, I'm expecting a much better experience. There is a lot of fun to be had. But make sure you check those pockets before you do. Always remember YMMMV.

[QUOTE=Juanjo767;2715111]Hey guys, just thought that I would take the time to provide you with my views on the current situation here in Bangkok. .[/QUOTE]Thank you for the update. This is exactly the info we all need. I have plans to go around February, so I'm hoping things liven up before then. My primary targets are the fresh slim cheerful younger providers, not the hardened 35-45 yo olds. Sounds like those are the providers still hanging around. Yes, I have had mind blowing experiences at Eden Club at the hands of "mature" providers, but that's not my fave. And Eden Club is gone, anyhow.

I have the option of hitting Pattaya or Phuket in addition to BKK (and maybe Chiangmai). Still trying to figure out which location will have the first fresh faces arriving from Isaan. Is the beginning of the pipeline Soi 6 in Pattaya and / or the Sukumvit Soi 22 and Soi 24/1 massage shops in BKK? Do they usually "graduate" from those venues to become gogo girls? Please tell me I won't be stuck looking on my phone on fiwfans?

Fiwfans advertises paying extra for.

Break / split face or mouth.

The google translation from Thai is correct. I've been into some kinky stuff, but never a punchup. Can anyone enlighten me as to what this involves?

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2715175]Thank you for the update. This is exactly the info we all need. I have plans to go around February, so I'm hoping things liven up before then. My primary targets are the fresh slim cheerful younger providers, not the hardened 35-45 yo olds. Sounds like those are the providers still hanging around. Yes, I have had mind blowing experiences at Eden Club at the hands of "mature" providers, but that's not my fave. And Eden Club is gone, anyhow.

I have the option of hitting Pattaya or Phuket in addition to BKK (and maybe Chiangmai). Still trying to figure out which location will have the first fresh faces arriving from Isaan. Is the beginning of the pipeline Soi 6 in Pattaya and / or the Sukumvit Soi 22 and Soi 24/1 massage shops in BKK? Do they usually "graduate" from those venues to become gogo girls? Please tell me I won't be stuck looking on my phone on fiwfans?[/QUOTE]I suppose you are dead or not? But What Juanjo767 is pretty much the case. Give it a year or so IMHO.

The biggest issue with Bangkok right now is that Sunday to Wednesday is really dead in the clubs etc. Thursday to Saturday some places can get busy but most still struggle.

The issue is too few customers to really get the industry going at the moment.

[QUOTE=Vankee2010;2715032]Hey folks,

I will be traveling first time to Bangkok.

Please suggest good hotel to stay and near by some hot area to feel heat.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Book Ruamchitt Hotel with double occupancy and stay alone. Best place and decent one considering you can take girls from Thermae cafe straight up.

Tip. Wait for closing hours of Thermae, guess its 11 pm, be there by 10:30 pm and can get some discounted prices.

Good luck!

Hi there,

Are soapies like Emmanuelle open? I read that someone else said they had reopened but wonder if anyone else can verify this.

[QUOTE=DanKey;2715178]Fiwfans advertises paying extra for.

Break / split face or mouth.

The google translation from Thai is correct. I've been into some kinky stuff, but never a punchup. Can anyone enlighten me as to what this involves?[/QUOTE]I guess that means cum on face / cum in mouth?

[QUOTE=DanKey;2715178]Fiwfans advertises paying extra for.

Break / split face or mouth.

The google translation from Thai is correct. I've been into some kinky stuff, but never a punchup. Can anyone enlighten me as to what this involves?[/QUOTE]It's probably related to CIM and COF rather than hitting the girl's face.

[QUOTE=DanKey;2715178]Fiwfans advertises paying extra for.

Break / split face or mouth.

The google translation from Thai is correct. I've been into some kinky stuff, but never a punchup. Can anyone enlighten me as to what this involves?[/QUOTE]Come on face.

I have read a couple of comments that masks are still mandatory on the MRT / Subway and the Skytrain.

My experience has been masks are no longer mandatory on the MRT / Subway as of July 1. There are no longer any signs illustrating or stating that masks must be worn. On July 1 I forgot I wasn't wearing a mask on the street, entered the MRT station at Sukhumvit (Terminal 21 Mall), passed all the masked security guards at the escalator, through the turnstile past the masked guards, down the steps, entered a train car and was three stations along my way before it suddenly dawned on me I was the only one not wearing a mask.

At my destination station, before I passed through the exit turnstile I walked up to a masked guard still without my mask and outright asked if it was ok for me not to wear a mask. He gave me a thumbs up and ok sign.

Same with all of the 7-11's and most of the malls I have walked into since July 1; Terminal 21, Siam Paragon, Central Chidlom, Central World, EmQuartier and Emporium. No masks required, not even in their food markets, since July 1.

Now, I am not sure about the BTS / Skytrain just yet. I have not had a reason to pass through a Skytrain station turnstile since July 1 without a mask to see what happens. But I can tell you that just like the MRT there are no longer any illustrations or signs indicating that masks must be worn in the BTS Asoke station entrances.

The closest I got to testing it was walking right up to the turnstile without a mask in full view of the various guards looking directly at me and none of them waved me back or pointed to their masks to indicate I ought to put one on. If I didn't have someone waiting for me in the mall at the time I would have run the test all the way into a train car.

This is one of the few more active boards in Thailand, so I apologize for asking a question like this. Does anyone know of an honest to god chiropractor (or Osteopath, which is similar) in BKK, preferably near Sukhumvit BTS line? I did try the 'search thread' function but it seems to say 'connecting to. ' but never connects.

BTW, I don't need a Thai massage, so no suggestions about that please.

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2715340]I have read a couple of comments that masks are still mandatory on the MRT / Subway and the Skytrain.

My experience has been masks are no longer mandatory on the MRT / Subway as of July 1. There are no longer any signs illustrating or stating that masks must be worn. On July 1 I forgot I wasn't wearing a mask on the street, entered the MRT station at Sukhumvit (Terminal 21 Mall), passed all the masked security guards at the escalator, through the turnstile past the masked guards, down the steps, entered a train car and was three stations along my way before it suddenly dawned on me I was the only one not wearing a mask.

At my destination station, before I passed through the exit turnstile I walked up to a masked guard still without my mask and outright asked if it was ok for me not to wear a mask. He gave me a thumbs up and ok sign.

Same with all of the 7-11's and most of the malls I have walked into since July 1; Terminal 21, Siam Paragon, Central Chidlom, Central World, EmQuartier and Emporium. No masks required, not even in their food markets, since July 1.

Now, I am not sure about the BTS / Skytrain just yet. I have not had a reason to pass through a Skytrain station turnstile since July 1 without a mask to see what happens. But I can tell you that just like the MRT there are no longer any illustrations or signs indicating that masks must be worn in the BTS Asoke station entrances.

The closest I got to testing it was walking right up to the turnstile without a mask in full view of the various guards looking directly at me and none of them waved me back or pointed to their masks to indicate I ought to put one on. If I didn't have someone waiting for me in the mall at the time I would have run the test all the way into a train car.[/QUOTE]Mandatory or not Somchai the Security guard will tell you to put it on.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2715340]I have read a couple of comments that masks are still mandatory on the MRT / Subway and the Skytrain.

My experience has been masks are no longer mandatory on the MRT / Subway as of July 1. There are no longer any signs illustrating or stating that masks must be worn. On July 1 I forgot I wasn't wearing a mask on the street, entered the MRT station at Sukhumvit (Terminal 21 Mall), passed all the masked security guards at the escalator, through the turnstile past the masked guards, down the steps, entered a train car and was three stations along my way before it suddenly dawned on me I was the only one not wearing a mask.

At my destination station, before I passed through the exit turnstile I walked up to a masked guard still without my mask and outright asked if it was ok for me not to wear a mask. He gave me a thumbs up and ok sign.

Same with all of the 7-11's and most of the malls I have walked into since July 1; Terminal 21, Siam Paragon, Central Chidlom, Central World, EmQuartier and Emporium. No masks required, not even in their food markets, since July 1.

Now, I am not sure about the BTS / Skytrain just yet. I have not had a reason to pass through a Skytrain station turnstile since July 1 without a mask to see what happens. But I can tell you that just like the MRT there are no longer any illustrations or signs indicating that masks must be worn in the BTS Asoke station entrances.

The closest I got to testing it was walking right up to the turnstile without a mask in full view of the various guards looking directly at me and none of them waved me back or pointed to their masks to indicate I ought to put one on. If I didn't have someone waiting for me in the mall at the time I would have run the test all the way into a train car.[/QUOTE]From the Tourism Authority of Thailand (June 24): [URL]https://www.tatnews.org/2022/06/thailand-lifts-nationwide-covid-19-restrictions-with-immediate-effect/[/URL].

"Outdoor mask-wearing has been endorsed as voluntary [B]although the public are still advised to wear a face mask in crowded places, such as, public transport, markets, and concert venues, or for people with certain health conditions.[/B]".

Nana is an interesting place right now. It is busy Friday and Saturday but the other nights dead, no customers and lack of staff.

The gogos are still struggling with new business models and lack of staff issues. I think the bars are encouraging staff to do short time only in nearby short term hotels so they can run back and keep the bar appear to be full of women.

Every new "friend" I have met stated that they only do short time only / nearby short time hotel.

One thing to also note. Spankys is setting there short term at 4 k and long term 7 k. I assume to keep the bar full of women as not many punters are going to barfine them at that rate. I spoke to a few newbies there and they had not been barfined in first 2 weeks at spankys Both doable. I declined their rediculous pricing.

[QUOTE=Juanjo767;2715582]From the Tourism Authority of Thailand (June 24): [URL]https://www.tatnews.org/2022/06/thailand-lifts-nationwide-covid-19-restrictions-with-immediate-effect/[/URL].

"Outdoor mask-wearing has been endorsed as voluntary [B]although the public are still advised to wear a face mask in crowded places, such as, public transport, markets, and concert venues, or for people with certain health conditions.[/B]".[/QUOTE]Yes, "advised" to wear one is the idea, but not mandated to do so. At least a dozen MRT security guards at turnstiles and on the train loading platforms looked directly at me not wearing a mask and made no effort in word or gesture to indicate I ought to put on a mask. That was as of July 1.

On the evening of June 30 when many places had already dropped the mask requirement a guard at the entrance to a mall food market stopped me from going in until I put on a mask. But the very next day that same guard didn't say a word or make the same effort when I entered without a mask.

First potentially nice outcome from my not wearing a mask in a mall was a previously reluctant to meet me lovely 21 year old regular, non P4P girl I had only chatted with briefly on ThaiFriendly and then Line said she thought she saw me in Terminal 21 with a friend while she was shopping there too and was that me. Yes, it was. Since she was still wearing a mask I did not recognize her from just having seen her TF and Line photos. Said she passed by me 3-4 times. Now she is eager to meet anytime.

Probably a ladyboy. LOL.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2715175]Thank you for the update. This is exactly the info we all need. I have plans to go around February, so I'm hoping things liven up before then. My primary targets are the fresh slim cheerful younger providers, not the hardened 35-45 yo olds. Sounds like those are the providers still hanging around. Yes, I have had mind blowing experiences at Eden Club at the hands of "mature" providers, but that's not my fave. And Eden Club is gone, anyhow.

I have the option of hitting Pattaya or Phuket in addition to BKK (and maybe Chiangmai). Still trying to figure out which location will have the first fresh faces arriving from Isaan. Is the beginning of the pipeline Soi 6 in Pattaya and / or the Sukumvit Soi 22 and Soi 24/1 massage shops in BKK? Do they usually "graduate" from those venues to become gogo girls? Please tell me I won't be stuck looking on my phone on fiwfans?[/QUOTE]Hua Hin, and Phuket (but not Patong, think Rawai etc), have always got and are still getting the FotBs (Fresh of the Bus) Isaan girls straight into the bars, and massage.

If these girls hit Bangkok and Pattaya first, then they usually ended up in the gogos at stupid prices.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2715594]Nana is an interesting place right now. It is busy Friday and Saturday but the other nights dead, no customers and lack of staff.

The gogos are still struggling with new business models and lack of staff issues. I think the bars are encouraging staff to do short time only in nearby short term hotels so they can run back and keep the bar appear to be full of women.

Every new "friend" I have met stated that they only do short time only / nearby short time hotel.

One thing to also note. Spankys is setting there short term at 4 k and long term 7 k. I assume to keep the bar full of women as not many punters are going to barfine them at that rate. I spoke to a few newbies there and they had not been barfined in first 2 weeks at spankys Both doable. I declined their rediculous pricing.[/QUOTE]Ouch. So the gogos (for now) are just a place to watch girls in bikinis? Sounds like a total waste of time and money. How did you entertain yourself with actual sex? Did you just snag girls from the massage places? Or are there enough girls in the beer bars to find someone doable?

Any recommendations on where to go and what to do during the 6 hrs layover at BKK between 17:00 to 23:00? I am not talking about sightseeing and the touristy stuff. Something that can help me relax for the next long leg of the flight.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2715594]Nana is an interesting place right now. It is busy Friday and Saturday but the other nights dead, no customers and lack of staff.

The gogos are still struggling with new business models and lack of staff issues.

One thing to also note. Spankys is setting there short term at 4 k and long term 7 k. I assume to keep the bar full of women as not many punters are going to barfine them at that rate. I spoke to a few newbies there and they had not been barfined in first 2 weeks at spankys Both doable. I declined their ridiculous pricing.[/QUOTE]4 k for ST with (to be kind) plain looking girls. This does not sound very enticing to me.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2715712] So the gogos (for now) are just a place to watch girls in bikinis? Sounds like a total waste of time and money. How did you entertain yourself with actual sex? Did you just snag girls from the massage places? Or are there enough girls in the beer bars to find someone doable?[/QUOTE]My favorite Go Go's where my main source for girls. Favorite Soapy Massage parlors were my 2nd favorite source. Oilies third. I have not heard a word about the soapies on ISG. Places like Maria Hotel & Spa or La Belle. So, I am assuming the soapy situation is not very good.

I get that pretty girls can be found on fiwfans, but I am not a fan of web site sourcing. It requires too damn much time on the internet looking while holed up in my hotel room.

Personally I don't see the point of traveling to BKK as long as things remain as they apparently are. So, is this the end of BKK as a major girly entertainment destination? Maybe. I would have thought that after a 2 year hiatus the girls would have flocked back to the Go Go's and a huge supply would create demand. Apparently not. But until there is a ample quality supply of girls around, I doubt punters in large numbers will return and demand will remain low. It sounds like BKK is in a depression.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2715751]4 k for ST with (to be kind) plain looking girls. This does not sound very enticing to me.

My favorite Go Go's where my main source for girls. Favorite Soapy Massage parlors were my 2nd favorite source. Oilies third. I have not heard a word about the soapies on ISG. Places like Maria Hotel & Spa or La Belle. So, I am assuming the soapy situation is not very good.

I get that pretty girls can be found on fiwfans, but I am not a fan of web site sourcing. It requires too damn much time on the internet looking while holed up in my hotel room.

Personally I don't see the point of traveling to BKK as long as things remain as they apparently are. So, is this the end of BKK as a major girly entertainment destination? Maybe. I would have thought that after a 2 year hiatus the girls would have flocked back to the Go Go's and a huge supply would create demand. Apparently not. But until there is a ample quality supply of girls around, I doubt punters in large numbers will return and demand will remain low. It sounds like BKK is in a depression.[/QUOTE]Hate to say it but sure looks like a Depression.

My optimistic but guarded optimism is just about gone.

Without the Koreans and Japanese free spending. Opening till 2 at m don't mean a thing.

10 pm Nana patrons already leaving with no sight of replacement s.

Indians tipping 20 baht notes isn't going to do it.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2715712]Ouch. So the gogos (for now) are just a place to watch girls in bikinis? Sounds like a total waste of time and money. How did you entertain yourself with actual sex? Did you just snag girls from the massage places? Or are there enough girls in the beer bars to find someone doable?[/QUOTE]Everyone has their own plan in BKK. This involves different budgets, different types of girls, places etc. Some guys may come on this board and said they were grabbing 7's all week long from a beer bar for 1500. While another group of guys would walk past the same beer bar and judge all the girls as 4's to 5's and wouldn't fuck them for free. No one is right or wrong it is just we all have a different game.

The guys that like low quality high volume girls loved the pandemic and are continuing to love it. I personally see fewer women but like a higher standard, I wish I could get off on more average looking girls, it would be easier and cheaper but it is what it is.

Anyway, most guys like me went the girlfriend root during thr pandemic. Most of the better looking girls, insta ho group went the boyfriend route. When there was less customers and less new girls it worked well enough. I tend to hang with the girlfriend 3 or 4 nights a week. I might hit a gogo once a week, but the guys I go with generally only drink there and not grab the girls. Sometimes they do, but not often. The gogos tend to have average looking girls at way above average prices. Most of the hottest girls have boyfriends with cash or they get clients through their social media at not very cheap prices. Yes, the massage places are great to slip away quietly and get a little bit. Most guys I know here tend to have a few favourites scattered around the place.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2715806]The gogos tend to have average looking girls at way above average prices. [/QUOTE]Yep. I feel like that has been true for a long time. Sounds like it's even more true now. My favorite haunts pre-COVID were massage places for the daytime young undiscovered gems, gogos for fun evening entertainment (but too many bored looking normal looking girls shuffling around a stage pretending to be "dancing", Analisa or DokiDoki or Snow White (and Annie's back in the olden days) for good service, and Eden Club for non-stop action with MILFy older providers until I was exhausted. To be honest, I have always struggled to find the prettiest girls in Thailand. No one venue seems to be the best for looks. Sometimes it feels like needles in a haystack. There are definitely gorgeous Thai girls, but there are a ton of plain Janes. I truly hope that everything moves toward normal by February.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2715732]Any recommendations on where to go and what to do during the 6 hrs layover at BKK between 17:00 to 23:00? I am not talking about sightseeing and the touristy stuff. Something that can help me relax for the next long leg of the flight.[/QUOTE]It's rush hour, you might risk to be studied in traffic and by the time you are in lower sukhumvit it's time to head back to the airport.

Late evening sees also many flights to Europe and so security lines might be busy.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2715594]Nana is an interesting place right now. It is busy Friday and Saturday but the other nights dead, no customers and lack of staff.

One thing to also note. Spankys is setting there short term at 4 k and long term 7 k. I assume to keep the bar full of women as not many punters are going to barfine them at that rate. I spoke to a few newbies there and they had not been barfined in first 2 weeks at spankys Both doable. I declined their rediculous pricing.[/QUOTE]Its not just Nana. Kings Castle 2 in Si Lom and Baccara in Cowboy was also setting 4ST /7 LT as well. Feels like the price of everything is high ATM. No wonder Doki Doki has been having non-stop traffic.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2715712]Ouch. So the gogos (for now) are just a place to watch girls in bikinis? Sounds like a total waste of time and money. How did you entertain yourself with actual sex? Did you just snag girls from the massage places? Or are there enough girls in the beer bars to find someone doable?[/QUOTE]As I said in a previous post. I'm new to BKK but I've been finding decent enough luck around Thermae. Sunday night was packed with Freelancers most of them looked like displaced gogo girls. I counted maybe 4 or 5 over 40's in the almost 50+ girls in there. There were so many there wasn't enough standing room on the sides and girls were spilling out into the streets. I don't know if that normal or not but they were definitely trying to get the bag. I wasn't too partial to the Jap / kor crowd though.

I'm heading down to Pattaya today so I'm hoping the price inflation didn't effect the beer bar girls on 6 down there where I usually hang out. I'll put my report there after my first week and compare the two. Again Gogo's are never my thing but I'll still check them for the sake of efficiency. Until them wish me luck. Happy mongering.

Hot girl alert. Rainbow 5. Number 154. Her braces make her look extra delicious.

More Asian taste type of girl. No Bowling Ball Breasts, all natural. Be cups. Face is 7 plus. Personality checks out.

Problem. She always has customer. Funny how that always happens.

Anyone interact with her?

[QUOTE=PrincePoldi;2715260]Hi there,

Are soapies like Emmanuelle open? I read that someone else said they had reopened but wonder if anyone else can verify this.[/QUOTE]I would like to know the same but I know Poseidon closed. Daisy Dream and Caviar black are open but haven't been there. Would really like to know if La Belle is open.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2715186]The biggest issue with Bangkok right now is that Sunday to Wednesday is really dead in the clubs etc. Thursday to Saturday some places can get busy but most still struggle.

The issue is too few customers to really get the industry going at the moment.[/QUOTE]Think it'll recover by the Fall? Once winter hits Europe maybe people will come back.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2715928]Think it'll recover by the Fall? Once winter hits Europe maybe people will come back.[/QUOTE]The entertainment industry in Bangkok was struggling pre covid.

Then hottest girls are simply doing their own thing and never appearing within the clubs or massage places. They get customers off their instagram profiles, or hang out in high end normal clubs seeking to hook up with guys with cash.

The industry badly needs to reinvent itself as the current model is dying.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2715869]It's rush hour, you might risk to be studied in traffic and by the time you are in lower sukhumvit it's time to head back to the airport.

Late evening sees also many flights to Europe and so security lines might be busy.[/QUOTE]He could take the train from the airport, which will only take an hour: [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Suvarnabhumi+Airport+(BKK),+999+%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B9%E0%B9%88+1+Nong+Prue,+Bang+Phli+District,+Samut+Prakan+10540,+Thailand/Soi+Cowboy,+Khwaeng+Khlong+Toei+Nuea,+Khet+Watthana,+Krung+Thep+Maha+Nakhon+10110,+Thailand/@13.7048478,100.5826807,12.5z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x311d67771542274f:0x120d19554f157a07!2m2!1d100.7501124!2d13.6899991!1m5!1m1!1s0x30e29ee33cfb207d:0x1380e8861e2db80a!2m2!1d100.5625191!2d13.7369881!3e3[/URL].

So, if he accounts for say 2. 5 hours of travel time, and 1. 5 hours for security, he would still have 2 hours. HOWEVER, that assumes that he properly calculated the layover time (meaning that 23:00 is when boarding starts.) If the plane leaves at 23:00, then boarding time could be 30 minutes to an hour before that.

I went to soi Cowboy 2 nights ago and it is slowly coming back to life.

I ended up in Crazy House and I had a good time there. Plenty of nice girls, many of them naked. I flirted for some some time with a cute spinner (nb 22) who wanted to go for short time with me.

As before, the place is pushing a bit too much to pay for drinks.

OK, this is a long shot but here I go.

A year or so ago I was browsing You Tube on Bangkok and some dude was referring to an area in Bangkok known as Bangkok's second RLD. I for the life of me can't remember the name of the area he was referring to, and the video has since been deleted. A Google search didn't reveal much at all.

Can any BKK expert out there take a guess to which area he might have been referring to? Thanks.

[QUOTE=DionCassius;2716000]I went to soi Cowboy 2 nights ago and it is slowly coming back to life.

I ended up in Crazy House and I had a good time there. Plenty of nice girls, many of them naked. I flirted for some some time with a cute spinner (nb 22) who wanted to go for short time with me.

As before, the place is pushing a bit too much to pay for drinks.[/QUOTE]Did they constantly push the " tequila and coke" 2 drink scam on you?

Just wondering if anyone knows if Lolitas or Kasalong have reopened and welcome punters with open mouths again.

Does anyone know if Lolitas or Kasalong is now open again?

[QUOTE=LuvStJohn;2715473]This is one of the few more active boards in Thailand, so I apologize for asking a question like this. Does anyone know of an honest to god chiropractor (or Osteopath, which is similar) in BKK, preferably near Sukhumvit BTS line? I did try the 'search thread' function but it seems to say 'connecting to. ' but never connects.

BTW, I don't need a Thai massage, so no suggestions about that please.

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Spine Balance Clinic. Very good Chiropractor.

[QUOTE=LuvStJohn;2715473]This is one of the few more active boards in Thailand, so I apologize for asking a question like this. Does anyone know of an honest to god chiropractor (or Osteopath, which is similar) in BKK, preferably near Sukhumvit BTS line? I did try the 'search thread' function but it seems to say 'connecting to. ' but never connects.

BTW, I don't need a Thai massage, so no suggestions about that please.

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Pain Away Clinic are great Physical therapists:

Address: B1 Floor, Interchange 21 Tower, Soi Sukhumvit 21, Bangkok 10110.

I believe they do back work as well as numerous sports injury type stuff. Thoroughly recommended.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2715732]Any recommendations on where to go and what to do during the 6 hrs layover at BKK between 17:00 to 23:00? I am not talking about sightseeing and the touristy stuff. Something that can help me relax for the next long leg of the flight.[/QUOTE]Best thing to do is to call up a nice outcall massage service like similan or 66 leelathai or fairyland and book a girl for 2 hours, she will do excellent massage and all extras. It is very relaxing and with no hassles, the time can be extended if you like.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2715335]Come on face.[/QUOTE]I may be a new poster here, but have been using Fiwifans a fair bit. Most of the time I can work out what the google translations are referring to, such as the "split / break mouth", but one phrase that I have seen several times is girls refusing to accept "pearl inlay". Can MaxBkk or anyone else help as to what "pearl inlay" is referring to.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2716019]OK, this is a long shot but here I go.

A year or so ago I was browsing You Tube on Bangkok and some dude was referring to an area in Bangkok known as Bangkok's second RLD. I for the life of me can't remember the name of the area he was referring to, and the video has since been deleted. A Google search didn't reveal much at all.

Can any BKK expert out there take a guess to which area he might have been referring to? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The areas I have been to, at least for a reconn: Lower Suk, Patpong, Soi Cowboy, Sanam Luang Area. Thanon Sutthisan Winitchai, Petchaburi near Makkasan.

[QUOTE=Siamman;2716140]I may be a new poster here, but have been using Fiwifans a fair bit. Most of the time I can work out what the google translations are referring to, such as the "split / break mouth", but one phrase that I have seen several times is girls refusing to accept "pearl inlay". Can MaxBkk or anyone else help as to what "pearl inlay" is referring to.[/QUOTE]Some Thai men implant pearls under the skin of their penis.

[QUOTE=Jackqaz;2716089]Does anyone know if Lolitas or Kasalong is now open again?[/QUOTE]I was there in Bangkok 2 weeks ago, and I think I saw both of them open. We are talking about the BJ bars in the alley off soi 8, right?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2716019]OK, this is a long shot but here I go.

A year or so ago I was browsing You Tube on Bangkok and some dude was referring to an area in Bangkok known as Bangkok's second RLD. I for the life of me can't remember the name of the area he was referring to, and the video has since been deleted. A Google search didn't reveal much at all.

Can any BKK expert out there take a guess to which area he might have been referring to? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Which one was the 1st RLD? If its NANA / sukumvite then 2nd can be patpong.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2715954]
The industry badly needs to reinvent itself as the current model is dying.[/QUOTE]I realise I'm comparing apples to oranges but I read a news article recently at home showing that the whole night club industry is on the verge of collapse with many, once booming, venues closing. Covid has had a devastating affect recently but structurally Gen Z are no longer turned on by going out to drink to excess, reports of violent altercations nor low strike rates of face to face hook up attempts. These have been replaced by day time cafes with friends and online hook up aps.

I can see similar situations rolling out through Asia's red light area as well. There is no denying the effect of internet options. Many girls simply no longer need the dramas or embarassment of working in bars, seedy massage joints etc.

Enjoy. G.

So I am in bkk for more than 15 days now and have tried most of the things I wanted to and drained my balls to my hearts content, then I met this local guy who became my friend and took me to another Red light district which to my knowledge is not very popular on this forum at least. It had a lot of freelancers on the Road and spoke only thai they knew not a word of english and most of the men around were thai. Most of the girls were average looking and some below average but there were a few good ones too. The best thing about this area was that it was really cheap. Girls would ask 600 tb for st and shot time hotel would cost only 150 tb, I personally dint liked it much as the quality of girls in genral was bad, they seemed to be uneducated girls from near by villages and I am sure they were not very keen on maintaining a good personal hygiene. So I would not want to venture in this area but if you are some one on a very tight budget or some one who would like these kind of WGs you can try venture around the China town night market.

[QUOTE=ChoduMadan;2716117]Best thing to do is to call up a nice outcall massage service like similan or 66 leelathai or fairyland and book a girl for 2 hours, she will do excellent massage and all extras. It is very relaxing and with no hassles, the time can be extended if you like.[/QUOTE]That could be an option, looks like there are quite a number of cheap hotels around the airport. I can have outcall even if it is just for a few hours. Distance wise, I am not sure if these girls are willing to travel to the area near the airport.

Has anyone tried it?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2716219]That could be an option, looks like there are quite a number of cheap hotels around the airport. I can have outcall even if it is just for a few hours. Distance wise, I am not sure if these girls are willing to travel to the area near the airport.

Has anyone tried it?[/QUOTE]Ha. My last flight out was late 4 hrs. Asked my fav smooci girl to come out and share the waiting time with me in the terminal hotel and she did. I remember I had the taste of her pussy still on my lips as I went through security.

Will repeat. Great for sleeping through the flight home.

I went last Friday-Sunday to nana plaza. Some decent looking girls at Spanky's / Rainbows / billboards on Friday, more on Saturday, less on Sunday. I bar fined my first girl and she said 2500 was only if I used one of the rooms at Nana Plaza, if going to my hotel it would take longer would need another 500 baht which I paid. Idc much as I was previously considering 6 k+ baht freelancers. But is this actually a thing or I got hustled?

My hotel wasn't that far either, maybe a 5 minute walk.

If I'm willing to spend 10 k baht on the hottest girl I can find, where do you all suggest I go? I was considering Black Caviar or Maria but not sure if they'd actually be hotter than some of the hotter girls I've seen at Nana Plaza. I was surprised to see that there were a good number of girls at Nana hotter than the freelancers I found advertising on massage republic or even the agencies, of which their pictures are heavily shopped anyways.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=LuvMe17;2716217]So I would not want to venture in this area but if you are some one on a very tight budget or some one who would like these kind of WGs you can try venture around the China town night market.[/QUOTE]The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2716311]The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.[/QUOTE]There is no quality, per SE.

[QUOTE=JLactin;2716251]I went last Friday-Sunday to nana plaza. Some decent looking girls at Spanky's / Rainbows / billboards on Friday, more on Saturday, less on Sunday. I bar fined my first girl and she said 2500 was only if I used one of the rooms at Nana Plaza, if going to my hotel it would take longer would need another 500 baht which I paid. Idc much as I was previously considering 6 k+ baht freelancers. But is this actually a thing or I got hustled?

My hotel wasn't that far either, maybe a 5 minute walk.

If I'm willing to spend 10 k baht on the hottest girl I can find, where do you all suggest I go? I was considering Black Caviar or Maria but not sure if they'd actually be hotter than some of the hotter girls I've seen at Nana Plaza. I was surprised to see that there were a good number of girls at Nana hotter than the freelancers I found advertising on massage republic or even the agencies, of which their pictures are heavily shopped anyways..[/QUOTE]I don't think you got hustled at a 2,500 baht (to the girl) rate as long as you got what you wanted or negotiated for in the bar. I get the upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP I want for 2,000 - 2,500 baht (paid to the girl after) plus barfine (paid in the bar upfront) most of the time.

But regarding the bit about her insisting on using a Nana Plaza short time room or you pay an additional 500 baht to take her to your hotel, I can't say I have encountered that. Then again, it usually comes out in our bar chat that I live very nearby and I have a motorbike parked at curbside for a quick ride to my apartment and likely back to NP as well. So that might be why the NP short time room is not insisted upon with me.

However, I will say that many Nana Plaza bars are nutty about keeping as many girls in the bar or close by for quick return on Friday nights these days, maybe slightly less so on Saturday nights.

As has been mentioned by many, those are the biggest customer nights while the rest of the week can be rather dead, many of the better girls not even bothering to show up Sunday. Wednesday. So if the night you took the girl was Friday or Saturday, especially after 9:30 pm or so, that would have been peak customer times for the whole week and the bars want as many hands, feet, faces and butts on deck as possible. Of course, the girls want to be there for the potential flood of Lady Drink commission income as well.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2716332]There is no quality, per SE.[/QUOTE]Agreed, Lots of 1's, 2's & 3's. Never seen anything over a 5.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2716311]The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.[/QUOTE]The looks are bad, but no worse than Sukhumvit road these days, with the benefit of fewer ladyboys and some daytime action. The service, however, is truly abysmal.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2715751]Personally I don't see the point of traveling to BKK as long as things remain as they apparently are. So, is this the end of BKK as a major girly entertainment destination? Maybe. I would have thought that after a 2 year hiatus the girls would have flocked back to the Go Go's and a huge supply would create demand. Apparently not. But until there is a ample quality supply of girls around, I doubt punters in large numbers will return and demand will remain low. It sounds like BKK is in a depression.[/QUOTE]There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming.

Plenty of places were mongering meccas for a while, but withered due to various factors, usually demographics and increasing wealth of the locals, coupled with some significant event. I hear 1988 Olympic Games killed mongering for foreigners in Seoul and SARS in 2003 killed foreigner bars in Hong Kong. Thailand is here now, unfavorable background trends plus a major event. Now, mongering will never disappear (it still exists in both Seoul in HK), but it might change to be smaller and mostly for locals, no longer worthwhile for most visitors, especially long-distance ones.

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2716140]I may be a new poster here, but have been using Fiwifans a fair bit. Most of the time I can work out what the google translations are referring to, such as the "split / break mouth", but one phrase that I have seen several times is girls refusing to accept "pearl inlay". Can MaxBkk or anyone else help as to what "pearl inlay" is referring to.[/QUOTE]Can you send me the word in Thai and I can help you.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2716489]There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming..[/QUOTE]Hmm well at the moment I'm not having any problem finding available ladies at good prices.

[QUOTE=BHawk;2716241]Ha. My last flight out was late 4 hrs. Asked my fav smooci girl to come out and share the waiting time with me in the terminal hotel and she did. I remember I had the taste of her pussy still on my lips as I went through security.

Will repeat. Great for sleeping through the flight home.[/QUOTE]Wise choice. I almost forgot about Smooci. Which hotel did you use?

I would rather spend the two extra precious hours with a girl than being stuck in traffic.

I have been going to SEA every year since 2003, sometimes twice a year. This long standing trend was interrupted by Covid, but I was still lucky. I only missed 2021. I had last visited in January of 2020, well before they closed the borders on March 2020.

I did not know what to expect from this trip. From reading ISG, I was not expecting much, but I was pleasantly surprised. I managed to have a good time.

On this trip, my plan was to visit Singapore for 4 days, Bangkok 4 days, Pattaya for 5 days, then back to Singapore for 2 days before heading back home. Singapore was the least fun part of this trip, because Geylang was pretty much closed.

Back to Bangkok, my wingman and I stayed at the Novotel hotel on Soi Nana, close to Nana plaza. For my wingman, it was his first time in Bangkok, so I tried to show him as much as I can in the short time we had together. He was moving on to the PI one day earlier than me, and I was going to Pattaya.

We flew from Singapore and landed in Bangkok late afternoon on a Sunday. Going through immigration at the airport was a breeze, to my surprise. The same with the taxi ride from the airport to the hotel. I managed to drag my wingman through two must-do activities for me, when I am in Bangkok. First, it was my afternoon coffee break at the bakery at JW Marriott on Soi 2. On this trip, I also tried the bakery at Sofitel and I was disappointed. I did not like their pastry.

Then we went for a walk on Sukhumvit all the way to Asok and terminal 21. We had dinner at Cabbages and Condoms on Soi 12, a must for me on every trip to Bangkok. The restaurant was closed for renovation but was scheduled to reopen on the Monday we had planned our visit. I was so pleased that a Thai renovation project was completed on time.

After dinner, I had planned to take him to Thermae. I had mentioned it to him earlier and he was eager to take a look, but we never got to it. Too many things got in the way and so little time. Instead, after dinner we took a stroll on Sukhumvit, and got drenched in the rain. We went back to our hotel to dry out and change our clothing. Then it was time for Nana plaza.

I took him on a tour of the new plaza, still in awe how they can fit that much pussy in such a little space. As we were walking inside the plaza, we were accosted by hordes of girls from each club trying to convince us to come in. Well, it did not take long for my wingman to take the bait. He liked one of those girls and that was it. I forgot the name of the club but it was on the second floor. I followed him inside the club. There were only about 6 or 7 girls in total dancing away. I took a liking to 2 of them but the mamasan would have none of it. She first harassed me to buy her a drink, and then she wanted me to barfine her. And here I was hoping that she would leave me alone after buying her a drink. It did not take long for my wingman to get in a party mood, and start buying drinks for the girls left and right. At the end, he did not have enough cash and I ended up getting stuck helping with the bill. Luckily my wingman was ready to call it a night. As soon as he took off with his girl, I quickly followed them out, and landed at Rainbow 4.

This club was much more interesting. They had ton of girls dancing, hence it was easier to pick one. It did not take me long before I settled on a cutie. She was dancing on stage, and as soon as we crossed path, I knew she was the one I wanted. She seemed to feel the same way, as she flashed a big welcome smile. I smiled back and waived to her. She immediately left the stage and joined me. We spent an hour chatting over drinks, and she was ready for the barfine. She wanted 3 K baths for ST on top of 700 bahts for the barfine. I was in no mood to negotiate at that time and we soon left the bar. We ended up having a nice session. The following night, I was ready for more of the same.

I also wanted to check some of the massage places. I had some intel on Doki Doki, Maichan, and other places like it. We chose to pay a visit to Kokoro on that day. We took the BTS to Asok, and from there we walked to Soi 23, then we got lost. I had studied the map on their website but forgot some of the details. I was about to give up and try something else, buy my wingman insisted that we take a taxi. So, we flagged a tuk tuk. The driver started immediately trying to convince us that he can take us to a better place, but we declined. After many attempts, he gave up but raised his fare. By now, it was so hot and muggy, we had to either agree with his new fare or give up on our search. The increase was not too bad, so we agreed but he could not find the place and got lost as well. He had to call one of his buddy to get the exact address and direction. We finally made it.

Kokoro had about 5 girls available when we walked in. The mamasan called for a line up, and I picked Julia. My wingman picked another girl. The session started with a common shower. After the cleaning, the girl put the nuru gel all over my body, next came the slip'and'slide part. That was fun, and after a while she rinse me, dried myself and moved onto the bed. An FS session followed, with multiple positions. That was fun too and my wingman was pleased with his session.

At night, we were both ready to revisit Nana plaza. My wingman wanted to see the same girl, and so did I. So, we split and went on our own way. Here I got screwed. As soon as I stepped in Rainbow 4, the wolves were waiting. I finally got a chance to meet the sisters, friends and cousins of my girl. Also, I had heard of the double drink trick of Tequila and coke, but tonight I had the pleasure of experiencing it. My bill was pretty high that night, and my girl realized that I was not too pleased with that. Back in the room, she offered anal as an additional treat on the menu, but refused BBFS. I still had quite a bit of fun with her that night but had no plan to go back to Rainbow 4. This has happened to me before in past trips but I always found ways around it. In this case, I was there for a few nights only.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2716489]There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming.

Plenty of places were mongering meccas for a while, but withered due to various factors, usually demographics and increasing wealth of the locals, coupled with some significant event. I hear 1988 Olympic Games killed mongering for foreigners in Seoul and SARS in 2003 killed foreigner bars in Hong Kong. Thailand is here now, unfavorable background trends plus a major event. Now, mongering will never disappear (it still exists in both Seoul in HK), but it might change to be smaller and mostly for locals, no longer worthwhile for most visitors, especially long-distance ones.[/QUOTE]Great post. I still find Thailand an enjoyable place to visit. But I am not one of those guys that is trying to do five women a day at 500 Baht each. I enjoy the hunt and am willing to take my time looking for the gems that are still available. I would also add mainland China to the list of places that were once great mongering locations, but sadly are no more.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2716332]There is no quality, per SE.[/QUOTE]There never has been.

Sort of like the ones around Hua Lamphong. Eww.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2716489]There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.......[/QUOTE]Because of covid many previously Thailand mongerers went to Colombia where working girls are plentiful and cheap, I think they are still there. They may not return to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2716489]Plenty of places were mongering meccas for a while, but withered due to various factors, usually demographics and increasing wealth of the locals, coupled with some significant event. I hear 1988 Olympic Games killed mongering for foreigners in Seoul and SARS in 2003 killed foreigner bars in Hong Kong. Thailand is here now, unfavorable background trends plus a major event. Now, mongering will never disappear (it still exists in both Seoul in HK), but it might change to be smaller and mostly for locals, no longer worthwhile for most visitors, especially long-distance ones.[/QUOTE]Such a perfectly accurate analysis of what's going on currently. For those of us who have been mongering for over 20 years, the changes are drastic. And yes, they are permanent, and with the exception of a few the Thais would prefer that the outward foreigner sex scene just disappear. And the sex scene for the local punter is already way more discreet than it used to be. 20 years ago when it was very acceptable for a group of men to leave the office, go to a soapy, have a meal, have girls, and then head home. This has not been socially acceptable for quite some time and was one of the things that participated the slow decline of the soapies. Local men are now using online as it is much more discreet. While foreigners are somewhat welcome, it will never be the domain of the tourist or short-term visitor, because it requires a lot of time and effort, and you really do need to have at least some skills in Thai language.

As Croc stated, the 1988 Olympics killed the foreign sex scene in Seoul, in fact all the foreign sex bars were shuttered December 31st 1987 as I understand it. SARS was also used to shut much of the foreign sex scene in Hong Kong. Online and the walk-ups still are going to this day. Covered is perhaps the nail in the coffin for the outward for and sex scene in Thailand. Yes, it will always somewhat exist, but the numbers and quality are not going to be there. And in my humble opinion, it will be dominated by Asian, not Western men. So glad I got to experience the end of the golden era. It was an amazing amount of fun. That being said I'm still having a marvelous time with online.

Very excited to return to BKK in September.

I was last there in January 2022, just before the world turned into shit.

I have two days in BKK before heading else where for some non mongering fun but will return to Thailand after ba week. Will I need to pay for a visa twice or is there a multi entry visa that would make sense for me.

For my first two days was going to stay near Sukhumvit 2 or 4 Looking at the Ibis Suk 4 or Icon on Soi 2. Would be open to any suggestions in this area. I care about decent clean room bathroom etc and not about hotel amenities. Was thinking about splurging on the Hilton but would rather save that money for naughty fun.

I will hit up Doki Doki again as that was great maybe Tulip and was going to rely on Smooci as I found the go go and bars were fun but mostly miss them hit with the ladies. Any recommendations from Smooci would be greatly appreciated.

I will have about 4 days in BKK upon my return and was thinking of hitting up Pattaya as I have never been there before. Is there anything to do during the day like rent jet skis or interesting sites to visit I do like to mixy trips with things other than mongering.

Much appreciated and looking forward to providing some valuable reports to share.

Interesting reading the last few posts, with a tinge of nostalgia. The late 1990's and up to 2016 were great, I loved the BJ bars, something so exciting knowing the smiling girls outside would fill their little mouths with cock and expertly have their tonsils massaged and anointed with tadpoles. I will miss the camaraderie of fellow men, smiling and chilled knowing their needs were easily met and of course the age old habit of guys bragging about their conquests. I like the small, delicate Asian feminine hands and sweet faces, especially when I had a wife for 48 hours that took it every hole and every position, yet smiled demurely at a restaurant. So much fun. I developed a taste for finding girls putting on an Oscar worthy teary performance at the airport departure gate as their "boyfriends" left back to USA or Europe, only to pick them and bang them silly. I don't know why, probably the thrill of knowing what oily mouthed liars they were and they knew that I knew, yet pretended like it never happened. And great, real, massage. Always with a happy end!

Where to from here? Is it really as bad in BKK as made out here? Is the Philippines any better? Thailand was great, not slum like, which is what I fear about the PI. Manila is apparently a shit hole, and there is really no credible reason to go there except as a sex tourist. I don't know much about other places in PI, but I like good quality, clean, uncrowded surf beaches and don't want to get robbed or see too much abject poverty and blight. What about Indonesia? I've mongered the world, Argentina, Dominican Republic, Mexico, China, Thailand, Europe, Brazil and looking for any "green shoots".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2716570]Because of covid many previously Thailand mongerers went to Colombia where working girls are plentiful and cheap, I think they are still there. They may not return to Thailand.[/QUOTE]In my view, Thailand is overrated, and after experiencing Colombia, it is definitely a much better option for me, not to mention it is much closer to the US.

Ironically, the only memorable time that I had in Bangkok was when I was with an Uzbek girl and her friend pre-covid. I had never had much fun with the Thai girls there.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2716534]Hmm well at the moment I'm not having any problem finding available ladies at good prices.[/QUOTE]I realize it can be different for an expat residing in Bangkok like me compared to someone here for only two weeks. But, same as you, I am having no problem finding available girls at good prices right now. I would go even further to say I am getting some of the youngest and cutest girls I have had in a while. And I certainly haven't gotten any younger over the years. LOL.

Now, I apparently missed the Golden Age of Thai Mongering that reportedly occurred 10-20 years ago because I was not mongering here during that time. But these past 10 years here, including during the closures and now during the struggling recovery, were damn well better for me than when I was vacationing in Thailand a few times per year in the early / mid 1990's.

One thing I have noticed about the admittedly changed demographics where Thais began to have fewer kids over the decades is it is a lot harder for 2 adult children to support mom, dad, grandma, spinster aunt and drunk uncle than for 5 adult children to do it. Not even if they are better educated and get a better job with higher wages today.

Therefore, you might not find as many desirable girls choosing a 7 night a week career as a gogo dancer but the number of mall workers, shop girls, office workers and university students interested and available for a bit of extra family support income for a discrete BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM every few days seems to be growing. Hence, the online option.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2716507]Can you send me the word in Thai and I can help you.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the offer. Here is the word in Thai.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2716697]I will have about 4 days in BKK upon my return and was thinking of hitting up Pattaya as I have never been there before. Is there anything to do during the day like rent jet skis or interesting sites to visit I do like to mixy trips with things other than mongering.[/QUOTE]The Pattaya jet ski scam is so infamous hotels actually place warning cards in their rooms to alert guests:

[URL]https://www.jetskiadvice.com/thailand-jet-ski-scam/[/URL]

SL.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2716769]... Is the Philippines any better? Thailand was great, not slum like, which is what I fear about the PI. Manila is apparently a shit hole, and there is really no credible reason to go there except as a sex tourist. I don't know much about other places in PI, but I like good quality, clean, uncrowded surf beaches and don't want to get robbed or see too much abject poverty and blight. What about Indonesia? ....[/QUOTE]PI has many great beach areas. Start researching the Visayas (Cebu) and Palawan as a start and go from there. Previously you would have to byo girl from Manila or Cebu City but online has changed all that and it's pretty rare not to be able to find someone locally with a little time on the usual websites.

Indonesia has a lot to offer but English drops off dramatically as you move away from Jakarta or Bali. It's one area where I would recommend finding Ms Right in Jakarta and offer her a few days holiday. 99% of girls with no job commitments will say yes and happily be your tour guide ++.

Broadly speaking: BKK, MNL and Jakarta have similar costs but provincial PI and Indo are much cheaper; PI is the easiest for an English only speaker even away from the cities; LOS and Indo win for food being a lot better than PI; PI then Indo then LOS for GFE; PI then daylight for BBFS options; looks are YMMV as PI and Indo are archipelagos and body types vary widely between different areas. Both MNL and Jakarta are chaotic with insane traffic but they have the widest selection of establishments and girls (many of whom are happy to accompany you for a few days) vs their provinces.

Enjoy. G.

Hello senior,

Need feedback and suggestion.

Booking Magistic hotel is good?

Planning to visit Doki Doki and feedback on that.

Which place is best to find a good partner for drink dinner and quality time. Please help as time is less.

Weekend is coming.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Juanjo767;2715995]He could take the train from the airport, which will only take an hour: [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Suvarnabhumi+Airport+(BKK),+999+%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B9%E0%B9%88+1+Nong+Prue,+Bang+Phli+District,+Samut+Prakan+10540,+Thailand/Soi+Cowboy,+Khwaeng+Khlong+Toei+Nuea,+Khet+Watthana,+Krung+Thep+Maha+Nakhon+10110,+Thailand/@13.7048478,100.5826807,12.5z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x311d67771542274f:0x120d19554f157a07!2m2!1d100.7501124!2d13.6899991!1m5!1m1!1s0x30e29ee33cfb207d:0x1380e8861e2db80a!2m2!1d100.5625191!2d13.7369881!3e3[/URL].

So, if he accounts for say 2. 5 hours of travel time, and 1. 5 hours for security, he would still have 2 hours. homewer, that assumes that he properly calculated the layover time (meaning that 23:00 is when boarding starts.) If the plane leaves at 23:00, then boarding time could be 30 minutes to an hour before that.[/QUOTE]He said that he is looking for something to help make his next flight more relaxing. Leaving the airport to travel 2. 5 hours by train to get laid, I would say, would be the "riskiest" sex one could have. I could not even enjoy the sex being so worried that I was about to miss my connecting flight. It is a good question though. Is there not a known massage parlour near the airport, that can be reached by a 10 minute taxi ride?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2716776]In my view, Thailand is overrated, and after experiencing Colombia, it is definitely a much better option for me, not to mention it is much closer to the US.

Ironically, the only memorable time that I had in Bangkok was when I was with an Uzbek girl and her friend pre-covid. I had never had much fun with the Thai girls there.[/QUOTE]I have been coming to Thailand about once a year since 2003. I have also been mongering in Colombia since 2013, taking about 3 trips per year.

I personally prefer Thailand over Colombia. The sessions are less transactional, very few people speak English in Colombia, and one has to always be on alert for safety reasons. Plus no comparison about the food. Thai cuisine is far superior. I speak decent Spanish.

However, I just came back from a trip to Thailand. The trip was brutal, 17 hours from SFO to Singapore, plus another 2 hours to get to Bangkok.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2716311]The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.[/QUOTE]Yes, 600 was the going rate (before covid) A bit dirty and seedy, but, then again, so am I. There always seems to be at least one "prego" SW there when I roam around.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2716776]In my view, Thailand is overrated, and after experiencing Colombia, it is definitely a much better option for me, not to mention it is much closer to the US.

Ironically, the only memorable time that I had in Bangkok was when I was with an Uzbek girl and her friend pre-covid. I had never had much fun with the Thai girls there.[/QUOTE]I've always loved Asian women. The big but thing never really attracted me much. And if there skin (I. E. Inside there thighs) isn't nice and smooth, ek.

Seeing a lovely little thing up on stage in Nana Plaza, where the strings on her bikini bottom pulled tight, that gap between her hip bones and stomach, where the string's not against her. And it's not a rarity there.

And I'm old enough that, when I first started visiting Thailand, Escobar was still bombing the shit out of everything. FARC (FARK?) and whoever else was kidnapping whoever. I know it's much more sorted now, but is still nowhere near the safety of Thailand.

If it was just cheap prices, there's Venezuela and Bangladesh.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2716489]There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming.

Plenty of places were mongering meccas for a while, but withered due to various factors, usually demographics and increasing wealth of the locals, coupled with some significant event. I hear 1988 Olympic Games killed mongering for foreigners in Seoul and SARS in 2003 killed foreigner bars in Hong Kong. Thailand is here now, unfavorable background trends plus a major event. Now, mongering will never disappear (it still exists in both Seoul in HK), but it might change to be smaller and mostly for locals, no longer worthwhile for most visitors, especially long-distance ones.[/QUOTE]This is such a great post. I would add that technology and new wealth in Asia is also changing the scene.

Even 20 years ago white farangs were basically the only game in town. Now there are Korea, Japanese, Chinese and even Indians flexing their economic muscle. I know of lots of girls that will only see asian guys, preferably Korean, Japanese or Chinese.

Adding to this the internet has opened up a whole other world. They join "how to date a farang" facebook groups, have been given the tour of the local village by mum pointing out all the houses that have been built by farang money in 1 way or another. When they hit 18 they are already well versed in all the little deceitful tricks that we all find so annoying.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2717128]...I know of lots of girls that will only see asian guys, preferably Korean, Japanese or Chinese...[/QUOTE]I was in Singapore a few weeks ago, and my interest was strictly Viet girls. I wanted to try the online game and it took me a couple of days to get screened. To my surprise, I saw many online ads that specifically stated "no whites". This was in addition to no blacks, no Indians, etc.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2716177]I was there in Bangkok 2 weeks ago, and I think I saw both of them open. We are talking about the BJ bars in the alley off soi 8, right?[/QUOTE]Kasalong definitely open, but poor quality and reduced hours, girls, or like ladies are out front.

Lolitas seems to be open, but never anyone out front, you have to stick your head in and look.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2716786]I realize it can be different for an expat residing in Bangkok like me compared to someone here for only two weeks. But, same as you, I am having no problem finding available girls at good prices right now. I would go even further to say I am getting some of the youngest and cutest girls I have had in a while. And I certainly haven't gotten any younger over the years. LOL.

Now, I apparently missed the Golden Age of Thai Mongering that reportedly occurred 10-20 years ago because I was not mongering here during that time. But these past 10 years here, including during the closures and now during the struggling recovery, were damn well better for me than when I was vacationing in Thailand a few times per year in the early / mid 1990's.

One thing I have noticed about the admittedly changed demographics where Thais began to have fewer kids over the decades is it is a lot harder for 2 adult children to support mom, dad, grandma, spinster aunt and drunk uncle than for 5 adult children to do it. Not even if they are better educated and get a better job with higher wages today.

Therefore, you might not find as many desirable girls choosing a 7 night a week career as a gogo dancer but the number of mall workers, shop girls, office workers and university students interested and available for a bit of extra family support income for a discrete BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM every few days seems to be growing. Hence, the online option.[/QUOTE]Nice insight there.

Having just done a few visits to Hua Hin, and a stocktake of my own backyard around Rawai whcih showed lots of new talent recently arrived.

I am still of the opinion that a lot of country girl talent (both Isaan and Northern) skip Bangkok and follow family or friends connections to smaller places and bars.

I used to live in Bkk but left in 2019 and went to live in the Philippines, I am in Bkk now on a 'visa run' and it's my first visit to Thailand in 3 years.

Arriving at Suvarnabhumi Airport last weekend on a flight from Manila, and before I went through Immigration, I was asked to provide my proof of vaccination record and my passport. They were only checking the name on the vax record to see if it matched the name on the passport, there was no validation check on the authenticity of the vax record, each inspection lasted no more than about 10 seconds. I don't actually have a genuine vax record so I was lucky that they didn't try and validate it, but my guess is with the numbers now coming through the airport they won't have the resources to validate every single vax record. You only need to provide proof of a negative test if you are unable to show your vax record.

Apart from the brief check mentioned above, there are no other restrictions for foreign tourists arriving in the country, all the other restrictions and requirements ie compulsory health insurance, the Travel Pass etc that were in place, were dropped on July 1.

When I was living in Bkk I used to visit the 3 main gogo bar areas about once a week. I had my favourite bars in each area and there was always a good choice of pretty girls available in those bars.

Last Saturday night I went to Patpong, the night market is no longer operating though there were still a few stalls open on Silom Road but very few people about. The majority of the gogo bars in Patpong were closed. Most of the area was in darkness and there were hardly any visitors about. I would be surprised it it ever recovers. The main Kings Castle bar (King 1) was open and had an acceptable number of girls up on the stage, but the numbers were way down on pre 2019 when the bar was always bursting with girls. On my visit last Saturday I'd say there were only about a fifth of the number. I thought the quality of girls was below average, IMO prior to 2019 the quality was always above average and the bar was always popular with the Japanese and other Asians, as well as with Westerners. There were few customers in the other bars.

On Sunday night I went to Nana Plaza, the majority of the gogo bars were open but visitor numbers were way down on what was the norm when I was last there in 2019.

One of my favourite bars at Nana Plaza was Billboard on the top floor, it was then a very popular bar always crammed full of girls, many of which I thought were very pretty, and you could always see quite a few really smoking-hot girls in the bar. I went in there last Sunday and was shocked at the extremely poor quality of the girls and the numbers were about half of what they were back in 2019.

Outside of Nana Plaza on Soi Nana, most of the bars were open, some were quite busy, some had few customers. I counted about 30 streetwalkers, and IMO they really were a bit on the rough side.

Then on Monday night I went to Soi Cowboy, as in Nana Plaza the majority of the gogo bars were open but the usual visitor numbers were way down. Many bars that always used to be busy with customers and had a good number of girls, though they were open, were dead.

Tilac bar looked very busy from the outside, almost all tables at the outside patio area were occupied with customers and had a few girls floating around, but inside there were only 3 girls up on the stage and about the same number of customers. It always used to be a very popular bar with dozens of dancers, and was always busy with a lot of customers.

I went into Crazy House bar, it always used to be stuffed full of mostly pretty girls as well as some really smoking-hot girls, but on my visit on Monday the number of girls was about less than half of normal, and the quality was a bit on the rough side. It always used to be stuffed full of customers as well, though on Monday night the bar was quite busy with customers rather than being stuffed full of them. The upstairs area was closed.

Baccara bar used to have a system whereby you had to pay for a drink BEFORE entry into the bar, but they have done away with that and you now enter the bar, find a seat then order a drink. Girl numbers were way down, and there were not too many customers.

I been to the usual big names in Nana. Angeleithwitch, Spankys, Billboards, Blondies, Mandarin. All touted by Stick.

None comes close to the quality of Rainbow 5 talent.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2717259]
Last Saturday night I went to Patpong, the night market is no longer operating though there were still a few stalls open on Silom Road but very few people about. The majority of the gogo bars in Patpong were closed. Most of the area was in darkness and there were hardly any visitors about. I would be surprised it it ever recovers. The main Kings Castle bar (King 1) was open and had an acceptable number of girls up on the stage, but the numbers were way down on pre 2019 when the bar was always bursting with girls. On my visit last Saturday I'd say there were only about a fifth of the number. I thought the quality of girls was below average, IMO prior to 2019 the quality was always above average and the bar was always popular with the Japanese and other Asians, as well as with Westerners. There were few customers in the other bars.

One of my favourite bars at Nana Plaza was Billboard on the top floor, it was then a very popular bar always crammed full of girls, many of which I thought were very pretty, and you could always see quite a few really smoking-hot girls in the bar. I went in there last Sunday and was shocked at the extremely poor quality of the girls and the numbers were about half of what they were back in 2019.

[/QUOTE]I went to Kings Castle last weekend too. I think it was raining from memory and the customers were non existant. There were a couple of cute girls but nothing special. I always thought Kings Castle 1 had the hottest girls pre covid. But it is definitely an asian club and this white boy alwats felt a little unwelcome there.

I agree on your thoughts in regards to BillBoard. Precovid it was great. You could arrive at opening time (8 pm or 9 pm, cannot remember) and pick off a stunner amongst the 100+ girls. I have been in BKK since the pandemic started and have not seen any stunners in Billboard in 2 years. There are a few maybes but no stunners there. I hope they get their recruiting eye in again, as the quality is very thin right now.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2717259]Arriving at Suvarnabhumi Airport last weekend on a flight from Manila, and before I went through Immigration, I was asked to provide my proof of vaccination record and my passport. They were only checking the name on the vax record to see if it matched the name on the passport, there was no validation check on the authenticity of the vax record, each inspection lasted no more than about 10 seconds. I don't actually have a genuine vax record so I was lucky that they didn't try and validate it, but my guess is with the numbers now coming through the airport they won't have the resources to validate every single vax record. You only need to provide proof of a negative test if you are unable to show your vax record.

Apart from the brief check mentioned above, there are no other restrictions for foreign tourists arriving in the country, all the other restrictions and requirements ie compulsory health insurance, the Travel Pass etc that were in place, were dropped on July 1.[/QUOTE]I recently checked the Thai embassy's site in my country and it appears that they don't require a vax certification anymore prior to giving a visa. They want either double vaxxed people (with proof) or a negative test (PCR or Antigen) 72 hours prior departure. And as you said, every other requirements have been dropped (and no quarantine also).

[QUOTE] Tilac bar looked very busy from the outside, almost all tables at the outside patio area were occupied with customers and had a few girls floating around, but inside there were only 3 girls up on the stage and about the same number of customers. It always used to be a very popular bar with dozens of dancers, and was always busy with a lot of customers.[/QUOTE]That place was already dead long before the covid shitshow.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2716019]OK, this is a long shot but here I go.

A year or so ago I was browsing You Tube on Bangkok and some dude was referring to an area in Bangkok known as Bangkok's second RLD. I for the life of me can't remember the name of the area he was referring to, and the video has since been deleted. A Google search didn't reveal much at all.

Can any BKK expert out there take a guess to which area he might have been referring to? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Bangkok has roughly three "RLDs" if you can call them that. Soi Cowboy, the most famous one and Nana Plaza, are the most popular, Soi Cowboy was the old school one, but for many, Nana plaza overtook it, and post-covid, Soi Cowboy is much more shut down than Nana. Many people prefer Nana. The other one would be Patpong, but that much less visited and out of the way, and often little reason to bother making the trip when you can do the same or better at Nana.

Bangkok has roughly a shitload of RLDs, if you know how to find them, so lets try make this forum a bit more then stuff any kid can find on first page of google.

If there's any Thai members here, they might point to less visited places, but thank you very much, there's multiple red light districts to visit for those who can't stomach the touristy bullshit. For me off top of my mind a bunch of massage places around Victory Monument come to mind, recently there was a streetwalker area near Chinatown, mentioned here, then there's likes of Ratchaprarop Soi 8 (Ratchaprarop Airport Link Station), Pracha Rat Bamphen Road (Huai Khwang MRT Station) and Soi Charoen Krung 42 (Saphan Taksin BTS Station), then an area close to where Poseidon was practically swarming with fiwfans girls, and so on. I'm still learning and it's a process.

This is a huge city, thais like to fuck and always have, it's just getting a lot harder finding places if your non-thai.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2717378]Bangkok has roughly three "RLDs" if you can call them that. Soi Cowboy, the most famous one and Nana Plaza, are the most popular, Soi Cowboy was the old school one, but for many, Nana plaza overtook it, and post-covid, Soi Cowboy is much more shut down than Nana. Many people prefer Nana. The other one would be Patpong, but that much less visited and out of the way, and often little reason to bother making the trip when you can do the same or better at Nana.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2716786]I realize it can be different for an expat residing in Bangkok like me compared to someone here for only two weeks. But, same as you, I am having no problem finding available girls at good prices right now. I would go even further to say I am getting some of the youngest and cutest girls I have had in a while. And I certainly haven't gotten any younger over the years. LOL.

Now, I apparently missed the Golden Age of Thai Mongering that reportedly occurred 10-20 years ago because I was not mongering here during that time. But these past 10 years here, including during the closures and now during the struggling recovery, were damn well better for me than when I was vacationing in Thailand a few times per year in the early / mid 1990's.

One thing I have noticed about the admittedly changed demographics where Thais began to have fewer kids over the decades is it is a lot harder for 2 adult children to support mom, dad, grandma, spinster aunt and drunk uncle than for 5 adult children to do it. Not even if they are better educated and get a better job with higher wages today.

Therefore, you might not find as many desirable girls choosing a 7 night a week career as a gogo dancer but the number of mall workers, shop girls, office workers and university students interested and available for a bit of extra family support income for a discrete BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM every few days seems to be growing. Hence, the online option.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for Bangkok, but there is a deluge of ladies from Isaan in Pattaya. Bars are popping up all the time now in the usual Farang hot spots, not to mention the newly emerging Thai bars that most of us never see. The big problem now is finding a room for newly arriving ladies to sleep in.

Loads more silicon enhanced ladies.

Posters will always claim that Pattaya was better in 2002 or 1982 or 1969 and there will be posts here in 20 years claiming that 2022 was the best time for ladies.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2717378]Bangkok has roughly three "RLDs" if you can call them that. Soi Cowboy, the most famous one and Nana Plaza, are the most popular, Soi Cowboy was the old school one, but for many, Nana plaza overtook it, and post-covid, Soi Cowboy is much more shut down than Nana. Many people prefer Nana. The other one would be Patpong, but that much less visited and out of the way, and often little reason to bother making the trip when you can do the same or better at Nana.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response, but the area I (and the YouTube video) was referring to was not one of the well known ones of Nana, Cowboy or Patpong. I'm spewing because at the time I saw the video I knew I should have noted the area down, but by the time I remembered the video was removed. I'll keep trying. Thanks.

How hard it is to find really good, sloppy, rough deepthroat in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=OKGuy1917;2717483]How hard it is to find really good, sloppy, rough deepthroat in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Depends on your size. The shorter the easier!

[QUOTE=Stykler;2717470]Thanks for the response, but the area I (and the YouTube video) was referring to was not one of the well known ones of Nana, Cowboy or Patpong. I'm spewing because at the time I saw the video I knew I should have noted the area down, but by the time I remembered the video was removed. I'll keep trying. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I would add the area around Huai Khwang is a forth red light district, although more spread out. It was where most of the mega soapies were and there are tons of smaller indepentant girls etc.

I believe the mega soapies were not allowed to reopen until July 01,2022. So I am not sure how many made it and will reopen. Apparently Poseidon, arguably the biggest, is gone for good.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2717389]I can't speak for Bangkok, but there is a deluge of ladies from Isaan in Pattaya. [/QUOTE]This is great news. Exactly what I've been hoping to hear. I'm planning a February trip and undecided between Phuket and Pattaya. Sounds like Pattaya is recovering. Good news!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2717520]I would add the area around Huai Khwang is a forth red light district, although more spread out. It was where most of the mega soapies were and there are tons of smaller indepentant girls etc.

I believe the mega soapies were not allowed to reopen until July 01,2022. So I am not sure how many made it and will reopen. Apparently Poseidon, arguably the biggest, is gone for good.[/QUOTE]I've spent more money pre covid in this area than any other.

Been on decline since the Shot Heard Round Thailand. Think Myanmar.

Once vibrant many places turned into Condos, Hotels, etc.

Once the biggest operator Sold I guess the smaller operator's decided to get out too.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2717520]I would add the area around Huai Khwang is a forth red light district, {Snip}[/QUOTE]Bingo! Huai Khwang, that's it. I knew I would remember when / if I saw the location again.

Thanks so much MaxBkk, good karma to you.

[QUOTE=OKGuy1917;2717483]How hard it is to find really good, sloppy, rough deepthroat in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Go to Soi 7/1 one of the girls at the bar will oblige.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2717470]Thanks for the response, but the area I (and the YouTube video) was referring to was not one of the well known ones of Nana, Cowboy or Patpong. I'm spewing because at the time I saw the video I knew I should have noted the area down, but by the time I remembered the video was removed. I'll keep trying. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Is this the area you're wondering about because I was wondering about it also. Saw this video and wondered where this street is and if it's worth checking out? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMyNErFhe-o[/URL].

I was just told by a girl who worked at Poseidon before covid that it will reopen on the 15th. Hotel, restaurant & massage. Anyone care to do the legwork to confirm? MRT to Sutisan, Thanachart Bank exit, walk about 5 min.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2717520]I would add the area around Huai Khwang is a forth red light district, although more spread out. It was where most of the mega soapies were and there are tons of smaller indepentant girls etc.

I believe the mega soapies were not allowed to reopen until July 01,2022. So I am not sure how many made it and will reopen. Apparently Poseidon, arguably the biggest, is gone for good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zman429;2717602]Go to Soi 7/1 one of the girls at the bar will oblige.[/QUOTE]"Girls" LOL.

My motto always was if you find a cutie that has that unique talent, viz some like like Heather Deep, you move there and marry her, or at least rent her for the week / month.

On the other hand, I can remember teaching a Cambodia cutie. Sometimes even those first pathetic attempts can be hot.

Any Mixx reports gentleman? Is the Hyatt up and hopping again?

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2717387]Bangkok has roughly a shitload of RLDs... Ratchaprarop Soi 8 (Ratchaprarop Airport Link Station), Pracha Rat Bamphen Road (Huai Khwang MRT Station) and Soi Charoen Krung 42 (Saphan Taksin BTS Station), then an area close to where Poseidon was practically swarming with fiwfans girls, and so on.[/QUOTE]Great list. Useful, although I'm not sure I'd call a few massage parlors that might offer happy ending (as in Rachaprarop Soi 8) a "red light district".

As far as I know, there are 3 major Thai-oriented RLDs in addition to 3 Farang ones: the area south of Rachadamnoen Nok near Khok Wua interesection (some call it Sanam Luang by inertia, but it isn't), Wong Wien 22 (traffic circle near Yaowarat), and Huai Kwang. There was more activity in the past all over the city, but it decreased significantly over the years.

You and I, sir, need a beer and several taxis. If in mood, lets!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2717715]Great list. Useful, although I'm not sure I'd call a few massage parlors that might offer happy ending (as in Rachaprarop Soi 8) a "red light district".

As far as I know, there are 3 major Thai-oriented RLDs in addition to 3 Farang ones: the area south of Rachadamnoen Nok near Khok Wua interesection (some call it Sanam Luang by inertia, but it isn't), Wong Wien 22 (traffic circle near Yaowarat), and Huai Kwang. There was more activity in the past all over the city, but it decreased significantly over the years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2716839]The Pattaya jet ski scam is so infamous hotels actually place warning cards in their rooms to alert guests:

[URL]https://www.jetskiadvice.com/thailand-jet-ski-scam/[/URL]

SL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, much appreciated.

[QUOTE=OKGuy1917;2717483]How hard it is to find really good, sloppy, rough deepthroat in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]I have a longer than average dick with a thick head. It is extremely, extremely rare for any woman to be able to deepthroat. There is a woman at Som's Haven (bar has a new name) that has no gag reflex. She can take it all. She says she can take a face fucking but I have never tried. I was satisfied with the amazing deepthroat. She has decent tits which she always bares without an extra tip. She wears oversize glasses but she is pretty. Taller than the rest if I remember correctly. She is there about 50% of the time a couple of years ago. Has long hair. I hope that helps.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2717644]Is this the area you're wondering about because I was wondering about it also. Saw this video and wondered where this street is and if it's worth checking out? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMyNErFhe-o[/URL].[/QUOTE]This is Khaosan Road. Very popular with backpackers and young thai girls seeking to dance and perhaps meet a young farang. However it is not a red light district by any means, just a normal clubbing type area. If you are over 40 you will be bored our of your mind.

[QUOTE=Vankee2010;2717036]Hello senior,

Need feedback and suggestion.

Booking Magistic hotel is good?

Planning to visit Doki Doki and feedback on that.

Which place is best to find a good partner for drink dinner and quality time. Please help as time is less.

Weekend is coming.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Majestic Suites, you can't beat the location. My only gripe with it is that the place is starting to get a bit rundown. Was a really nice place up until 2019. But I think that any hotel property damage, they just let it go. I one of the rooms had visible damage and it's been there ever since.

What I've been doing is using Majestic Suites as a shor time hotel in a way. Because it's about $20-$30 a night, give or take. But I don't sleep there. It's very noisy. I'd recommend bringing earplugs. Not only do you hear the clubs banging all night along with loud A / C but you can hear everything next door.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2717305]I been to the usual big names in Nana. Angeleithwitch, Spankys, Billboards, Blondies, Mandarin. All touted by Stick.

None comes close to the quality of Rainbow 5 talent.[/QUOTE]Agree. But it's all dependent on your tastes as well.

I agree Billboards has went down in quality by a lot from years past. I remember that place having very pretty girls, and the DJ and music was really great. I feel like whoever was recruiting before was a bit more calibrated. And I say this because the girls in Billboard now all don't look good imo but they all have a similar look to them. It's clear whoever is hiring them thinks that look is pretty. Large contrast from before. Fit, haggard looking, tattoos, heavy makeup. Whereas I feel before you had a much more larger variety. Rainbow 5 definitely had some cute girls. I barfined a few from there. Price is about 3 K + 800. I also like how the people (people serving drinks) in Rainbow 5 aren't pushy for drinks. There's also a place downstairs, to the right of Lollipop that had a massive massive stage of dancing girls there. Easily the largest of all the clubs there.

Mandarin imo I never liked the girls there even pre-covid. I was definitely a fan of Rainbow 4 oddly enough. Very pretty girls, some that have that Japanese girl look to them.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2717389]I can't speak for Bangkok, but there is a deluge of ladies from Isaan in Pattaya. Bars are popping up all the time now in the usual Farang hot spots, not to mention the newly emerging Thai bars that most of us never see. The big problem now is finding a room for newly arriving ladies to sleep in.

Loads more silicon enhanced ladies.

Posters will always claim that Pattaya was better in 2002 or 1982 or 1969 and there will be posts here in 20 years claiming that 2022 was the best time for ladies.[/QUOTE]Can confirm that Pattaya was popping. I was there from July 1 to July 4th. Baccara, Skyfall, Sapphire, Pin-up, Farenheight, Palace were all up and running.

However, this is the strange part. And I swear this is unusual. They're charging more than in Nana PLaza.

In Nana Plaza, the going rate was anywhere from 3 K + 700-1000 BF.

In Pattaya, the going rate was:

Baccara was 3000+1200 for one I took home.

Moon Gogo was 3000 +1500 for one I took home. A dime though.

Skyfall was 3000 + 1500.

To me, that's crazy. Because the rates in Pattaya Walking Street are. Higher than Nana Plaza right now. I stll went for it because those girls were dimes. But as mentioned Nana Plaza right now is about 3800 whether you go in Rainbow 5, Rainbow 4, Twisters, etc.

That said, I feel the girls were prettier in Pattaya, not so much because they are, but because all of WS is just sardine-packed with girls so it's far far easier to pick out a dime.

Hey,

I am going to Bangkok soon, my favorite type of girls are white slim Europeans like Russian or Ukrainians. Any recommended places I can visit some hot Russian Ukrainians, and what is the budget?

[QUOTE=MasterRochi;2717921]Hey,

I am going to Bangkok soon, my favorite type of girls are white slim Europeans like Russian or Ukrainians. Any recommended places I can visit some hot Russian Ukrainians, and what is the budget?[/QUOTE]The fate of Ukrainian women is a touchy subject, since they are fleeing a war zone, and I think everyone in the world has sympathy for them. They did nothing to deserve their fate. I think all of us on ISG are curious what effect the war will have on mongering worldwide. Since so many of them headed to Poland without the men, I would assume that Poland would be the place to find Ukrainian women who are doing sex work temporarily, probably outcall to your hotel and contacting them online would seem the obvious, since many of them are living with Polish families and can't bring their work home. The ones who can speak Polish or English are probably thriving. I can't picture them heading to Bangkok, but who knows. Not me.

Been here a month. About 10 more days to go.

Nana Plaza is fine guys.

Butterflies Recommend! Wow. Highly OK.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2716786]I realize it can be different for an expat residing in Bangkok like me compared to someone here for only two weeks. But, same as you, I am having no problem finding available girls at good prices right now. I would go even further to say I am getting some of the youngest and cutest girls I have had in a while. And I certainly haven't gotten any younger over the years. LOL.

Now, I apparently missed the Golden Age of Thai Mongering that reportedly occurred 10-20 years ago because I was not mongering here during that time. But these past 10 years here, including during the closures and now during the struggling recovery, were damn well better for me than when I was vacationing in Thailand a few times per year in the early / mid 1990's.

One thing I have noticed about the admittedly changed demographics where Thais began to have fewer kids over the decades is it is a lot harder for 2 adult children to support mom, dad, grandma, spinster aunt and drunk uncle than for 5 adult children to do it. Not even if they are better educated and get a better job with higher wages today.

Therefore, you might not find as many desirable girls choosing a 7 night a week career as a gogo dancer but the number of mall workers, shop girls, office workers and university students interested and available for a bit of extra family support income for a discrete BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM every few days seems to be growing. Hence, the online option.[/QUOTE]I will go to Bangkok next month. Any tips to getting young and cute girls in there?

Is sideline agent become a better choice than RLD?

[QUOTE=JustLoggedInto;2717885] There's also a place downstairs, to the right of Lollipop that had a massive massive stage of dancing girls there. Easily the largest of all the clubs there.
[/QUOTE]You are referring to Twister on the ground flow. It is becoming one of the largest clubs for sure and they are only using half the stages that they now have. If they can get both stages full it will be a monster.

I was in there on the weekend. I noticed some girls had numbers on them while some did not. After chatting to one of the girls it turns out that the "unnumbered" girls are paid about 500 baht to just dance and as soon as they are done they just hang in a dressing room. I assume they are agency girls just making up the numbers.

Havong said that I did notice one of the "unnumbered" get taken out. Got to love Bangkok as most things are negotiable.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2717305]I been to the usual big names in Nana. Angeleithwitch, Spankys, Billboards, Blondies, Mandarin. All touted by Stick.

None comes close to the quality of Rainbow 5 talent.[/QUOTE]Overall, yes, Rainbow 5 has always had a great talent selection. I've said this before though, that a good portion of the talen goes for the japanese-style "kawaii" type look as well, but overall, its still the best, and this place tends to cater more towards the japanese / chinese audience I beleive, but I've never had an issue in there, just noting that they tend to be more marketing towards that crow.

Billboards is probably next in line after Rainbow 5 for lookers. Angelwitch is the "fun" club, with girls that are below Rainbow 5 but always a few lookers. I believe Spanky's is mixed so I don't go but no matter, I've never had a good time there so I won't go anyways.

I passed by La Belle the other day and saw a big sign out front announcing that it was now open. I checked around a bit and saw that Nancy's and Colonze were open as well. I took a taxi to Colonze and immediately thought I made a mistake. There were some men and one woman standing around outside just talking and loitering. My first impression was that it might not actually be open or that maybe a new operation had opened in the old Colonze space, so when they told me I had to take a COVID test on the spot I nearly walked. I'm glad I didn't. Once inside I could see it was clean and bright and recently remodeled. There were at least 50 girls, arranged by price / category. The lowest price is around 2500 and it, of course, goes up from there. The quality of girls was high there were some really cute girls with something for everyone.

I took an "M" category girl with a dazzling smile and who looked enthusiastic. In the room we spent a lot of time slipping around in the tub, before moving to the bed. There was no inflatable mattress.

Overall, I would go back for the quality of the girls. But the service, good as it was, wasn't as good as the better performers at Dokidoki.

Great news that La Belle, Nancy's and Colonze are open again. I would imagine the need for an ATK will fall by the wayside 2 to 3 weeks after the big reopen. That has been the pattern with other big reopens during the year.

The one thing that I always find challenging at the soapies is that they tend to wear dresses so you cannot see what their bodies are like. In Bangkok almost all working girls have babies so the probability for baby damage is high under those dresses.

Bangkok has 3 public holidays this week starting from Wednesday, at least 2 of them are buddhist days so will be no alcohol. I would assume Nana and Soi Cowboy will be closed for 2 of these days?

Anyone know the exact days and if Nana Plaza etc will be closed this week?

So finally in bkk, managed to sneak out to Doki Doki. Since I have been to soapies before, following is my review.

- I msged them on telegram and they responded. Once I confirmed the time, they shared some images. However, I only confirmed the time of visit. Its important to note that the mamasan turned away 2 dudes who just walked in. So I think it might be better to book beforehand.

- was shown the line up and chose Marin. Took her for an hour. 2700 baht.

- normal soapies, where she washed me down properly and then started nuru. Totally professional.

- value for money. Absolutely.

- 2 rounds possible in an hour.

- wir: maybe.

One of the hairiest bushes I have ever seen!

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2718830]One of the hairiest bushes I have ever seen![/QUOTE]Love it! (hate shaved pussies).

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2718831]Love it! (hate shaved pussies).[/QUOTE]Ditto that. Great pics, yummy looking girl all around!

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2718830]One of the hairiest bushes I have ever seen![/QUOTE]She is very cute, let us know ths story behind where you came accross her.

I don't even care if you creampied her. I just like seeing au natural. Not that shaved pussy is a bad thing!

How is sidelines girl in Bangkok? Tried any good agents?

[QUOTE=NormalMan9;2718372]I will go to Bangkok next month. Any tips to getting young and cute girls in there?

Is sideline agent become a better choice than RLD?[/QUOTE]I am not the right person to ask about sideline / fiwfans site type options. I tried fiwfans a bit but based on everything I experienced, read and heard, at 69 years old I might not have enough lifetime left to devote to researching, booking and repeating cute young girls there until I stumble onto one willing to provide the BBFS+CIP I want. And I just don't have faith in the skills and ability of those cute young girls who mostly serve Thai / Asian customers to provide an acceptable finish to a BBBJ+CIM some of them claim on their profile to provide.

The vast majority of times I meet the cute young P4 P girls with shaved or closely trimmed pussy who will engage in DFK and willing to provide me with BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM in gogo bars or other online options (ThaiFriendly, Tinder).

I tell the girl in a bar what I want on those counts if she wants me to pay the barfine and take her, sometimes enlist the aid of a mamasan on exactly those services or state them as clearly as possible during an online chat.

Then I simply take my lumps and shrug off the ones who reject me and my requests, move on to the next ones and soon enough strike gold.

Most of the cute young girls who I meet for my pleasures online including the freebies have clicked interested / like for me first. That seems to produce much better results for me than when I click and pursue them first.

I hope that helps. As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2718830]One of the hairiest bushes I have ever seen![/QUOTE]It makes naked girls more attractive as without hair there is no focus and you find you'll looking at nothing!

Thanks for sharing.

Fellow mongers!

It's a rather detailed report. Just scroll on if too long (that's what she said).

Saturday:

Wood Bar: 800 baht BBBJ+DFK (slightly regrets this one, in a blowjob bar after all: p). Good service but few girls (around 7-8 PM). For Chrome bar B2 be etc the girls need to better looking in my opinion (same owner and girls).

Nana Plaza: 10-11 PM. Unfortunately feels like a tourist trap. Talent at Rainbow 5; several stunners. 800 bar fine. I was quoted 3 k for ST and 5 k for LT. She was a 9, but for a 3 weeks budget I went for a freelancer 1200 baht ST, petite and typical Thai playful girl. Picked up just outside nana plaza, definitely some good looking talent on the street. BBBJ+DATY+FS.

Sunday:

Wood Bar: 11.30 AM. 800 baht BBBJ + CIM. Really naughty girl with glasses. Tongue was everywhere it could reach🤓 remaining girls not good at all. Analisa and Bamboo closed, that's perhaps normal this early?

ThaiFriendly afternoon fun: Pictures not up to date, Gained a lot of weight, disappointing but hell I had her in my room. 1500 baht ST. BBBJ + DFK + FS + CIM.

Evening: plan was Therma-Soi Cowboy-Levels nightclub-Gogo perhaps. Strolled over to Therma, a few good looking girls but for me picking out a lady in that manner is a turn off. Don't know why. Bought a beer (expected to buy something before you scout the scene), spent 2-3 minutes before bringing the beer and went for a tuk tuk trip with a happy go lucky dude of a driver. Took me to Soapy 3 star (ridiculous 3 k quoting for really bad talent) and then 5 star "the best" 5-6 k quoting I would hardly pay 1.5 k for these girls. But I do like going on adventures and you may have luck! Taxi driver quoted 20 baht, gave him 200, we had a laugh for 15 minutes tuk tuking (sounds sexual haha). Went to Soi Cowboy and almost everything was so empty. Went in to Penny Black bar. Empty. Strolled further down the street and one of the gogo bars had great volume. Sorry, can't remember the place as the vodka drinks had kicked in. Went in, found the girl I wanted. Such a sweet petite girl with the best smile and great body. Paid the barfine (700 baht), 2.5 k for 2 hours. BBBJ + BBFS + CIP. 2 shots + more if I wanted. Shower first for 10 minutes BBFS. Continued in the bed and she had zero problem that I filmed (not face). Will definitely see her again, don't know her name or info, need to find her!

Monday: slept until 2 PM. Several coffees and writing this review. Date at 6 PM. Normal girls are rather easy to get dates with via ThaiFriendly. It's about the effort required if I would bother. Just woke up to finish this report: Met a beautiful 23 year old who was clear on that she only wanted a drink and see if we have chemistry. Indeed we had. We went for the bar 2 bar experience, and as she was fluent in English, fun and smart, we had a great time. GFE and what that includes (CIMWS was a surprise). Will definitely see her again. Damage: 1 LEO, 1 Chang, 1 Tiger. Great 3 days, if you can't enjoy Thailand as it is I can't help you. Pattaya next!

Side note: Considered the century match (football, or soccer for you US dudes) between Liverpool and United but disgusting how they maximize profit from the fans in these countries. Tickets from 5 k to 25 k. For a friendly match! Only 10 k+ tickets left hell no!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2718723]Bangkok has 3 public holidays this week starting from Wednesday, at least 2 of them are buddhist days so will be no alcohol. I would assume Nana and Soi Cowboy will be closed for 2 of these days?

Anyone know the exact days and if Nana Plaza etc will be closed this week?[/QUOTE]Bars will be closed the 13th & 14th nationally, I don't know about a third holiday.

On my way to Bangkok as we speak, and wondering if anyone has an up to date list of the arab's go-go bars, or other bars to stay away from?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2717134]I was in Singapore a few weeks ago, and my interest was strictly Viet girls. I wanted to try the online game and it took me a couple of days to get screened. To my surprise, I saw many online ads that specifically stated "no whites". This was in addition to no blacks, no Indians, etc.[/QUOTE]Ah Singapore, the land of the racist pussy. You are probably referring to girls on SBF forum many of who specify racial exclusions. I personally feel the Viet girls are overpriced when there are hundreds of Thai girls on there who are far less discriminating and far less expensive.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2719015]I am not the right person to ask about sideline / fiwfans site type options. I tried fiwfans a bit but based on everything I experienced, read and heard, at 69 years old I might not have enough lifetime left to devote to researching, booking and repeating cute young girls there until I stumble onto one willing to provide the BBFS+CIP I want. And I just don't have faith in the skills and ability of those cute young girls who mostly serve Thai / Asian customers to provide an acceptable finish to a BBBJ+CIM some of them claim on their profile to provide.

The vast majority of times I meet the cute young P4 P girls with shaved or closely trimmed pussy who will engage in DFK and willing to provide me with BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM in gogo bars or other online options (ThaiFriendly, Tinder).

I tell the girl in a bar what I want on those counts if she wants me to pay the barfine and take her, sometimes enlist the aid of a mamasan on exactly those services or state them as clearly as possible during an online chat.

Then I simply take my lumps and shrug off the ones who reject me and my requests, move on to the next ones and soon enough strike gold..[/QUOTE]What online sites do you use / have the most luck on, only TF and tinder or more?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2719143]On my way to Bangkok as we speak, and wondering if anyone has an up to date list of the arab's go-go bars, or other bars to stay away from?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Spice Girls are owned by the "Arab". These are located on Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2718944]She is very cute, let us know ths story behind where you came accross her.[/QUOTE]I used to live in Bkk but left 3 years ago to go and live in the Philippines. I'm in Bkk now and this is my first visit to Thailand in 3 years (I will be going back to the Philippines at the end of next week).

Whilst living in Bkk I was a regular for many years at one of the gogo bars in Patpong and got to know the mamasan. She moved bars a few times but always told me where she was moving to. Sometimes I would barfine and take a girl out of the bar, sometimes the mamasan would provide me with another girl.

When I was getting ready to leave Thailand back in July 2019 I told the mamasan that I was leaving for the Philippines and told her that I would be back every now and then for a vacation and said that it would be a least a year or two until I returned, but as it turned out, because of covid and the lockdowns, it was a full 3 years. I had no contact at all with her since I left in 2019.

So, I arrived back in Bkk at the beginning of this month, and on the first night I went down to Patpong and headed for the gogo bar where she used to work, wondering if she was still working there or maybe had moved to a new bar. But it was all boarded up! One of the many causalities of the covid lockdowns that have trashed economies and businesses all over the world.

I continued wandering around Patpong, and whilst walking past one of the bars that was open, a woman came running across to me shouting 'Mdemde'... 'Mdemde'. It was the mamasan! She put her arms around me and gave me a big smile and a big cuddle!

She hadn't seen me in 3 years and had no idea I was coming, but spotted me straight away well before I spotted her.

Anyway, I went in and had a beer and had a chat with her, and she told me she had a new girl for me, and arranged and brought the girl to meet me one afternoon last week and I took her to a s/t hotel. She was my first Thai in 3 years!

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2719200]I used to live in Bkk but left 3 years ago to go and live in the Philippines. I'm in Bkk now and this is my first visit to Thailand in 3 years (I will be going back to the Philippines at the end of next week).

Whilst living in Bkk I was a regular for many years at one of the gogo bars in Patpong and got to know the mamasan. She moved bars a few times but always told me where she was moving to. Sometimes I would barfine and take a girl out of the bar, sometimes the mamasan would provide me with another girl.

When I was getting ready to leave Thailand back in July 2019 I told the mamasan that I was leaving for the Philippines and told her that I would be back every now and then for a vacation and said that it would be a least a year or two until I returned, but as it turned out, because of covid and the lockdowns, it was a full 3 years. I had no contact at all with her since I left in 2019.

So, I arrived back in Bkk at the beginning of this month, and on the first night I went down to Patpong and headed for the gogo bar where she used to work, wondering if she was still working there or maybe had moved to a new bar. But it was all boarded up! One of the many causalities of the covid lockdowns that have trashed economies and businesses all over the world.

I continued wandering around Patpong, and whilst walking past one of the bars that was open, a woman came running across to me shouting 'Mdemde'... 'Mdemde'. It was the mamasan! She put her arms around me and gave me a big smile and a big cuddle!

She hadn't seen me in 3 years and had no idea I was coming, but spotted me straight away well before I spotted her.

Anyway, I went in and had a beer and had a chat with her, and she told me she had a new girl for me, and arranged and brought the girl to meet me one afternoon last week and I took her to a s/t hotel. She was my first Thai in 3 years![/QUOTE]I love patpong too, very underated and seldom mentioned here.

Awesome story.

[QUOTE=Utente1391;2719183]What online sites do you use / have the most luck on, only TF and tinder or more?[/QUOTE]Somehow I wound up with a Lifetime paid subscription to Badoo for, as I recall, about 3,000 baht. Had it for more than two years and visit it daily. If it wasn't a Lifetime subscription I would have deleted the app 18 months ago. I have not hooked up with even one lady on that site. If they are remotely attractive, they live two hundred miles away. If they live nearby, they are too fat or too old. Waste of time but, hey, it's paid up for either my Lifetime, the app owner's Lifetime or my phone's Lifetime, whatever, so I check it almost every day anyway.

Otherwise, I maintain a paid subscription for the two I mentioned; ThaiFriendly and Tinder.

Which one have I had the best luck with? I have no idea. I have had success with both and have no intention of cancelling either account. Maybe I get more hook ups with TF. But all it takes is one sterling hook up with a girl on Tinder and right away Tinder is my favorite. There is just no way to gauge it.

Went there recently and, contrary to some reports, it's hopping and full of spunk. The girls at Crazy House are a bit older and fatter than before (aren't we all?) but at least they are still naked. I did not check the inside of Tillac or Baccara, but from the outside it looked like business as usual.

One thing I like the most about BKK is the bars with live music and girls with day jobs who come here to f*ck you for 2000 Baht [thereby doubling their daily wage], usually with a couple of girlfriends for moral comfort (in the bar, not in the sack). I picked up one such named Jeannie at the first music bar in Soi Cowboy on the left as you enter from Asoke (name unkonwn? But you'll hear the guitar amplifiers from across the street). I spotted her friends again later at an upstairs bar on the right that was opened later than the official 2 am closing time. But in the meantime, Jeannie had provided great companionship in a full-service GFE sort of way!

So question for the pros here: Are there other bars with live music and office girls who have to get up early at 9 am the next day apart from the one at the entrance of Soi Cowboy? Kind of a moot point in the short-term, as today and tomorrow everything are shut down for official reasons, but with all the pent-up energy Friday promises to be wild, and this is the kind of scene that titillates our fancies...

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2719429]
So question for the pros here: Are there other bars with live music and office girls who have to get up early at 9 am the next day apart from the one at the entrance of Soi Cowboy? Kind of a moot point in the short-term, as today and tomorrow everything are shut down for official reasons, but with all the pent-up energy Friday promises to be wild, and this is the kind of scene that titillates our fancies...[/QUOTE]A few years ago, there were a couple of live music bars in Patpong that were perfect for this. I had my apartment in Silom Soi 4. When I was bored on any night of the week, I'd head down to the bar have a few drinks, chat with a beautiful Thai girl and take them back to my place. These weren't freelancers (they didn't want any money at all). They were just some locals looking to have a bit of fun.

Some of my best memories were when I lived there.

Thai friendly is buzzing like never before, ladies are being so open and straightforward about services and freelancing. I am no premium member but soon I log in I get like 10 messages in 1 hour about masages boom boom and the whole menu. Its not like buying services directly from a bar face to face with the girl but somehow it can be fun too. This screenshot from last night.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2719244]Somehow I wound up with a Lifetime paid subscription to Badoo for, as I recall, about 3,000 baht. Had it for more than two years and visit it daily. If it wasn't a Lifetime subscription I would have deleted the app 18 months ago. I have not hooked up with even one lady on that site. If they are remotely attractive, they live two hundred miles away. If they live nearby, they are too fat or too old. Waste of time but, hey, it's paid up for either my Lifetime, the app owner's Lifetime or my phone's Lifetime, whatever, so I check it almost every day anyway.

Otherwise, I maintain a paid subscription for the two I mentioned; ThaiFriendly and Tinder.

Which one have I had the best luck with? I have no idea. I have had success with both and have no intention of cancelling either account. Maybe I get more hook ups with TF. But all it takes is one sterling hook up with a girl on Tinder and right away Tinder is my favorite. There is just no way to gauge it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allover;2719191]Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Spice Girls are owned by the "Arab". These are located on Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Oh man would this have been useful last weekend. Ended up in Midnite and all seemed okay except a bit empty (in retrospect. DUH).

Long story short, my friend wanted to order one lady drink but we somehow ended up with 3 and a fat bill and when I went to pay with QR code got told it's an extra 5% for that. I lost it right then and there and politely but pushily got cops to show up (3 of them, all plain clothes). Kept my shit together even though half drunk and cops calmly agreed with me, and I got a refund of 2 lady drink value in cash back.

Suffice to say this list should be plastered everywhere so people don't end up fucked over (idea is to get fucked but Arab seems to have understood it wrongly. How the hell does he stay in business like this?

Crazy House does have a good vibe. However 2 things there annoy the shit out of me.

1. most of the hot girls are there to suck down drinks only and don't bar fine.

2. The tequila and coke 2 lady drink scam which costs 400 THB. Virtually every girl will try this shit on you.

The first bar on the left is Country Road. The bar to the right upstairs that opens late is Penny Black.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2719512]Crazy House does have a good vibe. However 2 things there annoy the shit out of me.

1. most of the hot girls are there to suck down drinks only and don't bar fine.

2. The tequila and coke 2 lady drink scam which costs 400 THB. Virtually every girl will try this shit on you.

The first bar on the left is Country Road. The bar to the right upstairs that opens late is Penny Black.[/QUOTE]When CH first opened for business it was the best Go Go in BKK and for a couple of years it remained so. It was also my favorite Go Go. Then attrition began to take its toll. The best looking girls began to leave and they were not replaced with girls of equal qualities.

Around the same time (2018 more or less) the tequila and coke thing came into existence. I would not call it a scam back then because my girls would politely ask for the coke. But I remember one time a new waitress just brought the two drinks (coke not ordered) which I immediately called her on and the coke was taken back. I guess it was due the fact that I was a well known regular and friends with one of the mamasans plus I always requested my favorite waitresses to wait on my table that I was never pushed with the 2 drink thingy even when it became commonplace right before covid struck. But I have not been to BKK since June 2019, so I imagine I will have to put my foot down and set them straight right way. I don't mind buying a girl a coke to wash down a tequila if it is a real tequila in her glass and not some watered down version and if I intend to barfine her. I drink coke lite myself after a tequila. Besides, new girls can always have a sip of my coke. 555. But when a waitress just brings a coke unasked to my table along with a lady drink, then it is rude to say the least and a scam more or less as you indicated. Be on the look out.

I really hate this BS. My beloved BKK has changed. I am not sure I am going to like the new BKK.

[QUOTE=XyzMan29;2719448]A few years ago, there were a couple of live music bars in Patpong that were perfect for this. I had my apartment in Silom Soi 4. When I was bored on any night of the week, I'd head down to the bar have a few drinks, chat with a beautiful Thai girl and take them back to my place. These weren't freelancers (they didn't want any money at all). They were just some locals looking to have a bit of fun.

Some of my best memories were when I lived there.[/QUOTE]If you go by that, Climax in the basement of the Ambassador hotel on Soi 11 was freakin' awesome for many years until it closed down. Why doesn't Elon Musk invent a time machine instead of rocket ships? By the way, I never had the chance to chat with a beautiful Thai girl who didn't want any money at all.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2719797]If you go by that, Climax in the basement of the Ambassador hotel on Soi 11 was freakin' awesome for many years until it closed down. Why doesn't Elon Musk invent a time machine instead of rocket ships? By the way, I never had the chance to chat with a beautiful Thai girl who didn't want any money at all.[/QUOTE]The most expensive sex you will ever have is if you marry one of them - 555.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2719456]Thai friendly is buzzing like never before, ladies are being so open and straightforward about services and freelancing. I am no premium member but soon I log in I get like 10 messages in 1 hour about massages boom boom and the whole menu. Its not like buying services directly from a bar face to face with the girl but somehow it can be fun too. This screenshot from last night.[/QUOTE]Good to hear. What is the normal asking price?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2718723]Great news that La Belle, Nancy's and Colonze are open again. I would imagine the need for an ATK will fall by the wayside 2 to 3 weeks after the big reopen. That has been the pattern with other big reopens during the year.

The one thing that I always find challenging at the soapies is that they tend to wear dresses so you cannot see what their bodies are like. In Bangkok almost all working girls have babies so the probability for baby damage is high under those dresses.

Bangkok has 3 public holidays this week starting from Wednesday, at least 2 of them are buddhist days so will be no alcohol. I would assume Nana and Soi Cowboy will be closed for 2 of these days?

Anyone know the exact days and if Nana Plaza etc will be closed this week?[/QUOTE]Good to hear! Does anyone know if Maria Entertainment is open too?

That's makes at least three higher end Soapy Massages available which is great news. How does Nancy's and Colonize compare to La Belle?

Heading back to Bangkok in a month. Anyone knows if soi 7 beer garden is a good place to pick up MILFs?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2719512]Crazy House does have a good vibe. However 2 things there annoy the shit out of me.

1. most of the hot girls are there to suck down drinks only and don't bar fine.

2. The tequila and coke 2 lady drink scam which costs 400 THB. Virtually every girl will try this shit on you.

The first bar on the left is Country Road. The bar to the right upstairs that opens late is Penny Black.[/QUOTE]I've been 5 x to Thailand. Kindly explain what is the tequila and coke scam. Thanks!

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2720032]Good to hear! Does anyone know if Maria Entertainment is open too?

That's makes at least three higher end Soapy Massages available which is great news. How does Nancy's and Colonize compare to La Belle?[/QUOTE]Per google Maria, Biwa, Sai Fon, and Tarawadee are supposedly open.

Has anyone tried [URL]bkkescortservice.com[/URL]?

I am might travel to Bangkok in a couple of months and the girls that I see here are too good to be true. Not sure if it's fake.

Nothing interesting to report, possibly except that they are open. Went by yesterday night and they had only two girls working. One thin 20 year old who had been working there for only a week or so, and who I suspect may not want to continue working much longer, and one late 20-ies, who I possibly saw when I was last here three years ago too. 1400 for 40 minutes of BJ.

20 yo tried to give good service, was sweet and friendly, but was rather unexperienced in this job and ate half a box of tissue afterwards in order to try and vomit up my sperm afterwards. Not sure if she worried she would get pregnant otherwise or something like that, but was amusing none the less.

[QUOTE=DavidSean;2720183]Has anyone tried [URL]bkkescortservice.com[/URL]?

I am might travel to Bangkok in a couple of months and the girls that I see here are too good to be true. Not sure if it's fake.[/QUOTE]So much photoshop and filters on the photos I would assume what turns up at the door would be significantly different than the photos.

I personally see zero value in an escort service in BKK. Simply go to a massage place or Nana and select 1 of the 100's of girls available for 1/2 the price.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2720135]I've been 5 x to Thailand. Kindly explain what is the tequila and coke scam. Thanks![/QUOTE]A normal lady drink at a bar should cost THB 150 to 200 max.

At crazy house they ask for your permission for a lady drink and a Tequila and Coke arrives. You get charged for both the tequila and the coke as 2 seperate drinks. So the price is THB 350 for what you thought was 1 lady drink.

[QUOTE=Bbsin26;2720118]Heading back to Bangkok in a month. Anyone knows if soi 7 beer garden is a good place to pick up MILFs?[/QUOTE]Being a punter who typically asks for an upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP, "boom boom no condom, ok mai", I have never gotten such an upfront agreement from even a remotely doable MILF in Soi 7 Beer Garden. Gave up even trying a couple of years before Covid after maybe a dozen attempts over the years and only went there occasionally to meet friends for dinner. Ladies still flag me over or plunk themselves down next to me but I haven't bothered going beyond a Hello, and back to my pork and potatoes in ages.

My success rate is much better with 20-something year old gogo dancers at, oh, 3-4 times the cost I suppose.

But if you are a no upfront negotiation "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" kind of punter who is fine with a covered FS a good percentage of the time you ought to have no problem getting the "hottest" MILF in the place to walk out with you within minutes. The pickins are going to be slim at the best of times to none most of the time, imo, though.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2720357]So much photoshop and filters on the photos I would assume what turns up at the door would be significantly different than the photos.

I personally see zero value in an escort service in BKK. Simply go to a massage place or Nana and select 1 of the 100's of girls available for 1/2 the price.[/QUOTE]Agree, but most of them have videos too. If anyone has taken the service, please let me know.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2720357]So much photoshop and filters on the photos I would assume what turns up at the door would be significantly different than the photos.

I personally see zero value in an escort service in BKK. Simply go to a massage place or Nana and select 1 of the 100's of girls available for 1/2 the price.[/QUOTE]But hard to photoshop the videos. You can actually see the difference though but better chance the video version is more like her looks.

Yesterday I did the trifecta: Twisters, Butterflies and Rainbow 5 in Nana, then walked to Soi Cowboy to sober up. I looked at Country Road bar and Crazy House but both were too packed so I took a taxi to Patpong. For some reason, the driver dropped me off in front of a soi which I quickly found out was reserved for homos, so I scampered away quickly and took refuge at the Pink Panther. Very nice line-up, I must say. I picked up a girl with great tits who wasn't the slimmest on offer but still acceptable. Great personality, she did not speak one word of English and I not one word of Thai.

Anyway, I took her to the short-time hotel and got BBFS+CIP. Damage was 3000 for the girl, 800 barfine, plus one beer for me and one lady drink for her. Not cheap, but with DFK included it felt really good. WIR? Pink Panther probably, the girl probably not as there are so many other quality ones on offer.

[QUOTE=TConor;2720447]But hard to photoshop the videos. You can actually see the difference though but better chance the video version is more like her looks.[/QUOTE]My girlfriend, like most Thais is a social media addict. She will spend an hour editing and running her tiktok videos through various filter to the point I barely recognise that is her in the video.

I would assume most if not all bkk escort sites would pay a local that video editor a relatively small amount of money to substantially change the appearance of each lady in each video for the better.

Was in Bangkok last Thursday night, yes, the Buddha Day bar closed night.

Have to say I was highly highly disapponited.

The strip between Soi 11 and Soi 15 Thermae along sukhumvit was LB filled, probably 50-60% of them.

And then dropping away the too ugly to mentions, another 30%, that just left 10-20% that were attractive.

And I am sure half of those were post op LB's too.

It got to the point I was asking the girls if they were girls as they were so beautiful, that I was afraid they were LB's.

It is an approach I use as its not an insult to them.

What got me was that on a rainy cold night, their prices were so high.

I was getting hit 2000 through 3000 baht for one pop, short time, one hour including travel time.

Or of I went upstairs at Thermae another room cost of 400-500.

When I said I was staying in Soi 8, the ones around Thermae turned away, not interested.

Eventually found one, a very cute supposed 21 yo SYT, who turned out to be very inexperienced, around Soi 11, for 2000.

[QUOTE=Allover;2720159]Per google Maria, Biwa, Sai Fon, and Tarawadee are supposedly open.[/QUOTE]What is Biwa and Sai Fon?

Weird how Poseiden closed due to low demand but these survived.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2720135]I've been 5 x to Thailand. Kindly explain what is the tequila and coke scam. Thanks![/QUOTE]THey ask for a lady drink and tequila is one lady drink and coke is a second so you pay double.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2720359]A normal lady drink at a bar should cost THB 150 to 200 max.

At crazy house they ask for your permission for a lady drink and a Tequila and Coke arrives. You get charged for both the tequila and the coke as 2 seperate drinks. So the price is THB 350 for what you thought was 1 lady drink.[/QUOTE]Fucking bastards!

Though you have to respect the scam LOL.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2720495]My girlfriend, like most Thais is a social media addict. She will spend an hour editing and running her tiktok videos through various filter to the point I barely recognise that is her in the video.

I would assume most if not all bkk escort sites would pay a local that video editor a relatively small amount of money to substantially change the appearance of each lady in each video for the better.[/QUOTE]I love Thailand and its girls but my biggest peave is how the filter their pics so when you meet them they're unrecognizable.

Second peeve is their addiction to narcissism on social media. Its a turn off for me. Their maturity comes across as 15-year olds.

[QUOTE=Bbsin26;2720118]Heading back to Bangkok in a month. Anyone knows if soi 7 beer garden is a good place to pick up MILFs?[/QUOTE]Lots of sweet and not expensive milfs if you use Wechat in Bkk.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2720633]Fucking bastards!

Though you have to respect the scam LOL.[/QUOTE]Part of the scam is they talk to you in a very loud environment where you struggle to understand what they are saying. I respond by holding up 1 finger and say "one drink.”

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2720571]What is Biwa and Sai Fon?

Weird how Poseiden closed due to low demand but these survived.[/QUOTE]Biwa and Sai Fon are both soapy massage places on New Petchaburi Road. Petchaburi and Ratchadaphisek Roads are home to most of the soapies in Bangkok visited by Falangs.

[QUOTE=Allover;2720742]Biwa and Sai Fon are both soapy massage places on New Petchaburi Road. Petchaburi and Ratchadaphisek Roads are home to most of the soapies in Bangkok visited by Falangs.[/QUOTE]Falangs?

Looks we have these still open, is anyone able to describe the differences?

- La Belle.

- Colonize (maybe Colonize 2 is still open?)

- Biwa.

- Sai Fon.

- Maria Entertainment.

- Nancy.

- Black Label (I can't remember the exact name).

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2720807]Falangs?

Looks we have these still open, is anyone able to describe the differences?

- La Belle.

- Colonize (maybe Colonize 2 is still open?

- Biwa.

- Sai Fon.

- Maria Entertainment.

- Nancy.

- Black Label (I can't remember the exact name).[/QUOTE]All the same same.

[QUOTE=Ulhorn72;2720646]Lots of sweet and not expensive milfs if you use Wechat in Bkk.[/QUOTE]Translation old and unattractive.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2720699]Part of the scam is they talk to you in a very loud environment where you struggle to understand what they are saying. I respond by holding up 1 finger and say "one drink.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is a good way to deal with it.

I don't think it is as much of a scam if they ask you, "Can I have a Tequila and Coke?" If you nod yes, well, you just agreed to buy her two LadyDrinks at once. But it is still a bit of a scam because they are hoping you will assume a Tequila and Coke is some kind of cocktail, like Rum and Coke, that is very popular with Thai girls. LOL. I'm not sure if complaining and demanding they take one drink off the bill is in order with that one. After all, she asked and you say Yes.

However, if she asks, "Buy me a drink?" and you say yes and she orders those two drinks speaking in Thai to the server or the noise level is so high nobody could be expected to hear the order or if those two drinks just show up by unspoken understanding and agreement between the girl and the server, then you have definitely been outright scammed and should demand one drink be taken off the bill.

Or, better yet, tell them to take all the untouched drinks off the bill, pay for what was fairly ordered and imbibed and walk out.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2720807]Falangs?

Looks we have these still open, is anyone able to describe the differences?

- La Belle.

- Colonize (maybe Colonize 2 is still open?)

- Biwa.

- Sai Fon.

- Maria Entertainment.

- Nancy.

- Black Label (I can't remember the exact name).[/QUOTE]So I was bored on a Sunday afternoon in BKK so decided to do a Soapy run starting about 3 pm.

First stop La Belle on New Petchaburi Rd, Huai Khwang. As you walk in they herd you to a small office for compulsory ATK. There was about 5 guys in front of me waiting, so I excused myself and leave. The lady chases me towards the escalator that heads to the exit and says "ATK is free, you not pay". I just said it is a little too much hassle, sorry I come back in a few weeks when they stop testing. I assumed they had a limited staff so didn't want to ATK and waste 10 minutes only to walk out 1 minute after seeing a much reduced lineup.

Next stop is Biwa Cafe about 5 minutes in a taxi further along New Petchaburi Rd. The car park was packed with maybe 50 cars and once inside there was about 10 girls in evening dresses sitting in the fish bowl. Quality was very low rent as was the place. The only positive was no ATK.

Went across the road to Nancy which I believe has the same owner as Colonize. The car park was kind of empty and the feel of the place a little underwhelming so I again headed out when they insisted on an ATK for 100 THB.

I believe the soapies were allowed to open July 01. This would be the first time in just over 2 years. So I am assuming they will ATK for a week or two longer and then that will fall away. I will do a proper soapy run when they do away with the ATK and the places are up and running properly. At the moment I think they are just getting going so I assume they have limited staff and you don't want to waste 10 minutes on an ATK only to then walk out 1 minute after seeing very few women in the lineup.

Black label most likely refers to Black Caviar, a very high end place up on Ratchadaphisek Road. The same road that has 10 or 15 soapies more or less walking distance from each other in between MRT Huay Kwang and MRT Thailand Cultural Center.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2720366]Being a punter who typically asks for an upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP, "boom boom no condom, ok mai", I have never gotten such an upfront agreement from even a remotely doable MILF in Soi 7 Beer Garden. Gave up even trying a couple of years before Covid after maybe a dozen attempts over the years and only went there occasionally to meet friends for dinner. Ladies still flag me over or plunk themselves down next to me but I haven't bothered going beyond a Hello, and back to my pork and potatoes in ages.

My success rate is much better with 20-something year old gogo dancers at, oh, 3-4 times the cost I suppose.
…[/QUOTE]Always enjoy your posts and as an older gent I need BBFS bc the condom kills the senses. I think you're saying BBFS is more common with the 20-somethings than the milfs. If that is true, why do you think 20-somethings are more agreeable to BBFS?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2720932]So I was bored on a Sunday afternoon in BKK so decided to do a Soapy run starting about 3 pm.

First stop La Belle on New Petchaburi Rd, Huai Khwang. As you walk in they herd you to a small office for compulsory ATK. There was about 5 guys in front of me waiting, so I excused myself and leave. The lady chases me towards the escalator that heads to the exit and says "ATK is free, you not pay". I just said it is a little too much hassle, sorry I come back in a few weeks when they stop testing. I assumed they had a limited staff so didn't want to ATK and waste 10 minutes only to walk out 1 minute after seeing a much reduced lineup.

Next stop is Biwa Cafe about 5 minutes in a taxi further along New Petchaburi Rd. The car park was packed with maybe 50 cars and once inside there was about 10 girls in evening dresses sitting in the fish bowl. Quality was very low rent as was the place. The only positive was no ATK.

Went across the road to Nancy which I believe has the same owner as Colonize. The car park was kind of empty and the feel of the place a little underwhelming so I again headed out when they insisted on an ATK for 100 THB.

I believe the soapies were allowed to open July 01. This would be the first time in just over 2 years. So I am assuming they will ATK for a week or two longer and then that will fall away. I will do a proper soapy run when they do away with the ATK and the places are up and running properly. At the moment I think they are just getting going so I assume they have limited staff and you don't want to waste 10 minutes on an ATK only to then walk out 1 minute after seeing very few women in the lineup.

Black label most likely refers to Black Caviar, a very high end place up on Ratchadaphisek Road. The same road that has 10 or 15 soapies more or less walking distance from each other in between MRT Huay Kwang and MRT Thailand Cultural Center.[/QUOTE]What is ATK? And I forgot, yes it's Black Caviar. I haven't been but I've heard good things. I've heard good things about Daisy Dream too.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2721066]What is ATK? And I forgot, yes it's Black Caviar. I haven't been but I've heard good things. I've heard good things about Daisy Dream too.[/QUOTE]Antigen Test Kit (ATK).

Before arriving in Bangkok, had made arrangements with 2 girls whom I had shortlisted on TF.

So arrived in the morning at 6 ish at Suvarnabhumi airport, and had that lady cabby pick me up and drive me to the hotel. Pinged Girl 1 saying I am here, we had a discussion where she would be staying with me for a week. As I planned to split the second half with Girl 2.

Everything was wonderful and pleasing. So the weekend arrives and I told the girl that this would be the last day, She made the best effort to keep the day fully entertaining.

So she leaves in the morning, I messaged Girl 2, and she ditches saying some emergency, So I was sitting wondering what I would do, messages a Go go girl, I had met 2 months back, she was happy to hear I was visiting and said she would come and meet me by 1 pm. So 1 Pm I get a Line message with the photo of my hotel's elevator as the girl wanted me to come down and take her to the room as the elevators won't let her use it without the keycard.

So then get 3 hours and then she told me she had to leave as she had to get some stuff done and later get ready for her work. Made me promise that I would not say anything about her meeting me at her bar's Mamasan. Hahaha laughed it off and she left.

So it was 5 pm and a Sunday, I was just not feeling like stepping out so was wondering what I would do, was checking some outcall massage places on Google and one of them wanted a telegram ID to share profiles, so installed telegram but the girl's photos were not up to the mark. Then noticed an option on Telegram saying show nearby people or something. Clicked on it, and noticed a bunch of guys and about 4 girls. All looked pretty photoshopped. So messaged a Russian-looking woman, she responded, asked her cost, she said $100, hmmm told her ok B3000, want two CIM's as that is what I was in the mood for.

Did a video call just to be sure it is a girl. LOL you never know in Bangkok. Shared a hotel location, she was just an alley away from me. Called the hotel front desk, and made sure to tell them, that when my guest arrives, make sure to hold on to their ID before they leave, the receptionist understood what I meant and confirmed.

About 10 minutes later, knock on my door, I open it and see my hotel's Bell boy smiling and asking me if I was expecting any guests. I said yes and then two women walked into my room. I was a bit confused. As to what is going on. The older girl tells me they are a team and she will split the money between themselves and I can have my fun.

So Russian girl 1 gets into the shower while I was talking with the other girl. Surprisingly they spoke good English.

So then the Russian girl 1 comes and asked me to get on the bed, amazing BJ with a CIM finish. She probably swallowed some and asks me a funny question. "Why does your Cum taste so sweet?" . I was thinking what the fuck should I answer to that. Russian girl 2 (who seemed like an older sister) tells her, it's probably because he ate a lot of fruits.

Then we all get to the balcony, talk about them, their plans, them traveling to Vietnam soon etc etc.

Then time for round two, Russian girl 2 now gets ready and again repeat exp from the first round, amazing BJ, and cummed in her mouth.

Money paid with promises of meeting again soon.

So that was one Tick against my wishlist in Bangkok all done.

Then took a nap, woke up at around 7, wondering what I should do about this week as Girl 2 from TF had ditched. Though why not call back Girl number 1. So just messaged her on Line and she was very happy to asked to come back. Had to tell her that I am extending my holiday so I asked her to come back.

So then she arrives at around 10 PM, she is not a working girl but had a job and stays on the outskirts of the city. So all seems good, we have dinner and then I take a shower because I was still sort of feeling slightly exhausted. Then later the girl went in to shower while I waited for her in my bed.

She comes out in about 10 minutes, but no Thailand smiles to find, instead looking furious. Comes to me with her mobile phone showing google translate asking me "Who were the two girls in your room today?

I was like confused, I knew what she was asking but how she knew about them was in my mind. I just told her "oh I had called the in-room massage people so two girls turned up".

Then she got even more pissed and asked me if massage therapists will also brush their teeth in their client's room after giving a massage?

I could not think of anything smart to say then was told her, do not want drama. She said she will leave and I can enjoy myself with the two girls as much as I want. Told her ok. She then packed up and left, gave her the taxi fee and she left.

I was and am still confused about this as to what did Girl 1 think about the type of relationship we were in in the first place?

Anyways, just need to spend some time today and find someone else to fill the void!

How she knew about 2 girls?

[QUOTE=CobraCommand;2721142]Before arriving in Bangkok, had made arrangements with 2 girls whom I had shortlisted on TF.

So arrived in the morning at 6 ish at Suvarnabhumi airport, and had that lady cabby pick me up and drive me to the hotel. Pinged Girl 1 saying I am here, we had a discussion where she would be staying with me for a week. As I planned to split the second half with Girl 2.

Everything was wonderful and pleasing. So the weekend arrives and I told the girl that this would be the last day, She made the best effort to keep the day fully entertaining.

So she leaves in the morning, I messaged Girl 2, and she ditches saying some emergency, So I was sitting wondering what I would do, messages a Go go girl, I had met 2 months back, she was happy to hear I was visiting and said she would come and meet me by 1 pm. So 1 Pm I get a Line message with the photo of my hotel's elevator as the girl wanted me to come down and take her to the room as the elevators won't let her use it without the keycard.

So then get 3 hours and then she told me she had to leave as she had to get some stuff done and later get ready for her work. Made me promise that I would not say anything about her meeting me at her bar's Mamasan. Hahaha laughed it off and she left.

So it was 5 pm and a Sunday, I was just not feeling like stepping out so was wondering what I would do, was checking some outcall massage places on Google and one of them wanted a telegram ID to share profiles, so installed telegram but the girl's photos were not up to the mark. Then noticed an option on Telegram saying show nearby people or something. Clicked on it, and noticed a bunch of guys and about 4 girls. All looked pretty photoshopped. So messaged a Russian-looking woman, she responded, asked her cost, she said $100, hmmm told her ok B3000, want two CIM's as that is what I was in the mood for.

Did a video call just to be sure it is a girl. LOL you never know in Bangkok. Shared a hotel location, she was just an alley away from me. Called the hotel front desk, and made sure to tell them, that when my guest arrives, make sure to hold on to their ID before they leave, the receptionist understood what I meant and confirmed.

About 10 minutes later, knock on my door, I open it and see my hotel's Bell boy smiling and asking me if I was expecting any guests. I said yes and then two women walked into my room. I was a bit confused. As to what is going on. The older girl tells me they are a team and she will split the money between themselves and I can have my fun.

So Russian girl 1 gets into the shower while I was talking with the other girl. Surprisingly they spoke good English.

So then the Russian girl 1 comes and asked me to get on the bed, amazing BJ with a CIM finish. She probably swallowed some and asks me a funny question. "Why does your Cum taste so sweet?" . I was thinking what the fuck should I answer to that. Russian girl 2 (who seemed like an older sister) tells her, it's probably because he ate a lot of fruits.

Then we all get to the balcony, talk about them, their plans, them traveling to Vietnam soon etc etc.

Then time for round two, Russian girl 2 now gets ready and again repeat exp from the first round, amazing BJ, and cummed in her mouth.

Money paid with promises of meeting again soon.

So that was one Tick against my wishlist in Bangkok all done.

Then took a nap, woke up at around 7, wondering what I should do about this week as Girl 2 from TF had ditched. Though why not call back Girl number 1. So just messaged her on Line and she was very happy to asked to come back. Had to tell her that I am extending my holiday so I asked her to come back.

So then she arrives at around 10 PM, she is not a working girl but had a job and stays on the outskirts of the city. So all seems good, we have dinner and then I take a shower because I was still sort of feeling slightly exhausted. Then later the girl went in to shower while I waited for her in my bed.

She comes out in about 10 minutes, but no Thailand smiles to find, instead looking furious. Comes to me with her mobile phone showing google translate asking me "Who were the two girls in your room today?

I was like confused, I knew what she was asking but how she knew about them was in my mind. I just told her "oh I had called the in-room massage people so two girls turned up".

Then she got even more pissed and asked me if massage therapists will also brush their teeth in their client's room after giving a massage?

I could not think of anything smart to say then was told her, do not want drama. She said she will leave and I can enjoy myself with the two girls as much as I want. Told her ok. She then packed up and left, gave her the taxi fee and she left.

I was and am still confused about this as to what did Girl 1 think about the type of relationship we were in in the first place?

Anyways, just need to spend some time today and find someone else to fill the void![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HotStud251;2721182]How she knew about 2 girls?[/QUOTE]I believe it was because of the two disposable toothbrushes in the bin which she saw and took a guess it was two people. And that they were girls and the only reason they used the brushes were for.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2720562]What got me was that on a rainy cold night, their prices were so high.

I was getting hit 2000 through 3000 baht for one pop, short time, one hour including travel time.[/QUOTE]Don't ask, offer your price first. Girls off the street on Sukhumvit can be had for 1000, maybe 1500 if exceptional. Had one last week for 1000.

If you ask, they'll start off high, and then it's hard to bargain down. If she throws out the price first, you can't counter with less than 1000 or half of her price (whatever is higher), since it would be embarrassing and sound insulting. Moreover, she won't go down too much due to the loss of face.

However, if you offer 1000, she knows you know the going rate. May well take it right away, as if she bargains you might move on due to her poor attitude. If she decides to bargain, can't plausibly ask for over 2000, unless she wants you to move on.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2720961]Always enjoy your posts and as an older gent I need BBFS bc the condom kills the senses. I think you're saying BBFS is more common with the 20-somethings than the milfs. If that is true, why do you think 20-somethings are more agreeable to BBFS?[/QUOTE]I can only say I get a much higher percentage of upfront agreements for BBFS (+CIP) among the 20-something gogo girls than older ladies almost anywhere.

An initial thought shared by others for why is the younger girls are less educated while older ladies know better. But that theory falls apart with my experience also being of all the regular ladies I meet on the dating sites, by far the quickest and easiest agreements for BBFSCIP have been among the most educated; the English fluent, school teachers, medical personnel, executives, etc.

They are far more likely to know what a vasectomy is, to understand the scant chances of someone like me having HIV, know what a negative test result means, are less hysterical about the realities of STDs, are more worldly, less susceptible to tales of terror about this or that boogie man out to get them, etc.

Therefore, I would look to other reasons for it.

Go-go girls (those who barfine) are typically younger due to the body exposure element. They are well into the business of P4P. They suit up or down for the job almost every day with no other career on the side.

Ladies in places like Beer Garden and Thermae, who can usually get away with being older, are often part timers, hobbyists in the P4P business. They often have another job. They sit or stand around and if somebody hands them an extra 2,000 - 2,500 baht during the week for doing little or nothing in a hotel room, fine. If not, no big deal. They have less incentive or need to agree to anything.

Older ladies' childhood might have been filled with tales of terror about every other person being riddled with HIV. That was of a prior generation of Thais.

Younger girls' real world experience is they likely don't know anyone who even knows anyone in the P4P business who tested positive for HIV.

Younger people always feel more invincible to downside risks. That's when they take up smoking, getting big ugly tattoos, weird body piercings, have babies out of wedlock, get shit-faced drunk and party until 5 am, encourage fast speed motorcycle action and, the least downside among them for Thai bargirls, agree upfront to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with me I suppose.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2720484]Yesterday I did the trifecta: Twisters, Butterflies and Rainbow 5 in Nana, then walked to Soi Cowboy to sober up. I looked at Country Road bar and Crazy House but both were too packed so I took a taxi to Patpong. For some reason, the driver dropped me off in front of a soi which I quickly found out was reserved for homos, so I scampered away quickly and took refuge at the Pink Panther. Very nice line-up, I must say. I picked up a girl with great tits who wasn't the slimmest on offer but still acceptable. Great personality, she did not speak one word of English and I not one word of Thai.

Anyway, I took her to the short-time hotel and got BBFS+CIP. Damage was 3000 for the girl, 800 barfine, plus one beer for me and one lady drink for her. Not cheap, but with DFK included it felt really good. WIR? Pink Panther probably, the girl probably not as there are so many other quality ones on offer.[/QUOTE]3000 + 800 for short time?

I can't believe some guys agree to that.

But he is Swiss, so the price of a coffee (with no CIP).

[QUOTE=Erik;2721271]3000 + 800 for short time?

I can't believe some guys agree to that.[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

I've hobbied / punted / mongered in BKK and Phuket many times but not since 2019. I'm returning next month (and would like a refresher on what is ST and LT.

I recall back in 2019, ST was 1 hour and LT was 3-4 hours. Kindly inform me what is ST and LT now. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=CobraCommand;2721142]
So then she arrives at around 10 PM, she is not a working girl but had a job and stays on the outskirts of the city. So all seems good, we have dinner and then I take a shower because I was still sort of feeling slightly exhausted. Then later the girl went in to shower while I waited for her in my bed.

She comes out in about 10 minutes, but no Thailand smiles to find, instead looking furious. Comes to me with her mobile phone showing google translate asking me "Who were the two girls in your room today?

I was like confused, I knew what she was asking but how she knew about them was in my mind. I just told her "oh I had called the in-room massage people so two girls turned up".

Then she got even more pissed and asked me if massage therapists will also brush their teeth in their client's room after giving a massage?

I could not think of anything smart to say then was told her, do not want drama. She said she will leave and I can enjoy myself with the two girls as much as I want. Told her ok. She then packed up and left, gave her the taxi fee and she left.
[/QUOTE]Were there 2 extra used toothbrushes in the bathroom?

[QUOTE=HotStud251;2721182]How she knew about 2 girls?[/QUOTE]He did not do a thorough cleanup after the girls left. HA HA. Same thing happened to me one time. After that oversight I learned my lesson and I from then on I make sure the bathroom and bedroom are clean of all female paraphernalia before I bring another one in. However, it should be noted that some girls do not care. It is a job to them and they don't care what you did before they arrive on the scene. But generally it is best to clean up the room.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2721320]He did not do a thorough cleanup after the girls left. HA HA. Same thing happened to me one time. After that oversight I learned my lesson and I from then on I make sure the bathroom and bedroom are clean of all female paraphernalia before I bring another one in. However, it should be noted that some girls do not care. It is a job to them and they don't care what you did before they arrive on the scene. But generally it is best to clean up the room.[/QUOTE]Phuket 2019. Girl No. 1 came over every night. One day I had Girl No. 2 visit during the day and she used one of two shower caps provided by the hotel. I didn't notice but Girl No. 1 asked me about it.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2721279]I recall back in 2019, ST was 1 hour and LT was 3-4 hours. Kindly inform me what is ST and LT now. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There are no formal definitions of ST or LT. I almost exclusively ask for ST and after reaching price agreement I will say something like "2 hours in the room." Very unusual for a girl to disagree. That statement is applicable for my experiences with beer bar girls, agogo girls, and street freelancers. Sometimes girls claim they need to do a post session check-in at the bar, but that might be BS. Massage shops are different as they have defined structures for time-price.

My LT experience is very limited, but they have all started in the evening and ended before or after breakfast. I only had 1 LT experience where the girl wanted to be with me for the afternoon, but that didn't happen because that was my day to move from Bangkok to Pattaya.

For many Thai girls, time is not important. She sees no problem keeping you waiting or standing you up. She will sometimes ditch your ass early if she is bored and has something better to do. The flip side is she might also stay extra long without extra charge. I've had many ST evening sessions where the girl wanted to spend the night in my nice hotel room rather than go back to her shit hole room.

I've had many ST evening sessions where the girl wanted to spend the night in my nice hotel room rather than go back to her shit hole room.

This is very true, I notice they don't mind staying due to your room being nice and theirs being trash. Most of these girls don't have AC in their rooms, so just based on that they'll stick around as long as they can.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2721279]Gentlemen,

I've hobbied / punted / mongered in BKK and Phuket many times but not since 2019. I'm returning next month (and would like a refresher on what is ST and LT.

I recall back in 2019, ST was 1 hour and LT was 3-4 hours. Kindly inform me what is ST and LT now. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Everything is flexible.

For ST, on the surface, it often means 1 shot or 1 hour. But if you ask for 2 hours, girls will generally just say OK, and that's all it takes, to get some extra time / shots in. If you say nothing, she may bolt after one shot or whatever and that's that. Which is to say, I mean usually just say you want to go longer and everything is fine, if you don't she may just jet after 1 shot... that said, if youre going to like the rooms inside nana, you might just get one go and thats that.

For LT, this can vary, In short, LT generally means you've got her locked down for the whole nigh- sometimes it means 3-4 hours+, but more often it means you've got her all night, generally (but not always) overnight, or it could mean, just overnight than she leaves, or food + drinks + room + overnight. Most girls won't want to stay too long the next day, maybe breakfast, maybe. They often will spend the night, but you can also tell them to leave whenever (expect that you may get a look if you kick them out in the middle of the night without cab fare / tip). Also, don't be afraid to bang the girl in the morning then tell her to go on her way, if she stays overnight, that's a sign you get to have fun in the morning with her YMMV. I guess there's a chance if you take a girl early enough in the night, she may want to try to get another client, which means LT may be cut short. The best thing is to just say what you want.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2721482]Everything is flexible.

For ST, on the surface, it often means 1 shot or 1 hour. But if you ask for 2 hours, girls will generally just say OK, and that's all it takes, to get some extra time / shots in. If you say nothing, she may bolt after one shot or whatever and that's that. Which is to say, I mean usually just say you want to go longer and everything is fine, if you don't she may just jet after 1 shot... that said, if you're going to like the rooms inside nana, you might just get one go and that's that.

For LT, this can vary, In short, LT generally means you've got her locked down for the whole nigh- sometimes it means 3-4 hours+, but more often it means you've got her all night, generally (but not always) overnight, or it could mean, just overnight than she leaves, or food + drinks + room + overnight. Most girls won't want to stay too long the next day, maybe breakfast, maybe. They often will spend the night, but you can also tell them to leave whenever (expect that you may get a look if you kick them out in the middle of the night without cab fare / tip). Also, don't be afraid to bang the girl in the morning then tell her to go on her way, if she stays overnight, that's a sign you get to have fun in the morning with her YMMV. I guess there's a chance if you take a girl early enough in the night, she may want to try to get another client, which means LT may be cut short. The best thing is to just say what you want.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 5 last night. Very mediocre rougher looking girl was asked on stage by Cocktail Waitress if she would consider LT. She reply No Way Jose.

[QUOTE=Erik;2721271]3000 + 800 for short time?

I can't believe some guys agree to that.[/QUOTE]Guys were paying that Pre. COVID. Quality mattered then as it does today and will tomorrow.

Rainbow 5 has about 5 or 6 very youngish new Stars. Meaning they get pulled real fast. None have giant water balloons inserted into their Chests yet.

Youngish being 22 or so.

Thanks grapeman and horsetrader for your replies.

Dear friends,

If money is no Object, which is better in BDSM club in Bangko, Is it Bar / Bar or Demonia? I am mostly a DOm and like to have sex slaves. Where are they more submissive?

[QUOTE=Ulhorn72;2720646]Lots of sweet and not expensive milfs if you use Wechat in Bkk.[/QUOTE]Uh. I only had one experience using wechat in Thailand and I ended up with what I'm 99% sure was a ladyboy. Had to pay him / her to leave just so there wouldn't be a scene. Anyone have any good experiences with wechat?

No text-book definition as such but totally depends upon the agreement between you and the ladies.

For me LT has been an overnight stay at my room and ladies have not left before 9-10 AM local time.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2721279]Gentlemen,

I've hobbied / punted / mongered in BKK and Phuket many times but not since 2019. I'm returning next month (and would like a refresher on what is ST and LT.

I recall back in 2019, ST was 1 hour and LT was 3-4 hours. Kindly inform me what is ST and LT now. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2721708]No text-book definition as such but totally depends upon the agreement between you and the ladies.

For me LT has been an overnight stay at my room and ladies have not left before 9-10 AM local time..[/QUOTE]+1 bro. This is the usual one. I never do LT. Too paranoid to sleep with a stranger in my room. What if she wakes up and takes my shit.

[QUOTE=Bbsin26;2721677]Uh. I only had one experience using wechat in Thailand and I ended up with what I'm 99% sure was a ladyboy. Had to pay him / her to leave just so there wouldn't be a scene. Anyone have any good experiences with wechat?[/QUOTE]Yes, but sometimes they ghost me when I insist on a pre-session video chat.

Trip end Thoughts.

Narita wifi has to be the worst world wide. On return to USA Incheon has to be best world wide. One click you on very good and fast speeds.

I'm trying to rethink but I might go as far to say Rainbow 5 is better now than pre COVID. Their girls are pretty and personable. Not all but a few here and there. Which in my book is a lot. I've never found Baccara girls fun.

Patpong is a Disaster.

Icon Siam touted as Bangkok best shopping center was a disappointment,. No KFC or McDonald's.

Is it worth while to go now. Yes.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2721907]Trip end Thoughts.

Narita wifi has to be the worst world wide. On return to USA Incheon has to be best world wide. One click you on very good and fast speeds.

I'm trying to rethink but I might go as far to say Rainbow 5 is better now than pre COVID. Their girls are pretty and personable. Not all but a few here and there. Which in my book is a lot. I've never found Baccara girls fun.

Patpong is a Disaster.

Icon Siam touted as Bangkok best shopping center was a disappointment,. No KFC or McDonald's.

Is it worth while to go now. Yes.[/QUOTE]Glad you had a good time. I know things are wildly spotty from one night to the next, hour to hour or bar to bar. But I honestly feel even during the low times it is or was quite possible to encounter a gem well worth the time and money. Often in an environment of very low numbers of paying customers. Not a bad thing at all, IMO.

I stopped in Rainbow 2 last night which, pre Covid, was often cited here as one of the go-to bars for higher quality (looks) girls. Well, not so much these days, same as other such bars right now. But there were still 2-3 lookers and I still had a good time meeting several girls there. But I already had a new girl from another bar with me and she made the whole night a treat anyway.

Rainbow 5. I have been in the several times in the last few weeks.

Beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder.

I think there is definitely a couple of cute girls that would appeal to Asian taste. But 90% of the girls there are your standard Nana Bar Girl. That is tatted up single mother with baby damage from Issan with very little education. Not that appealing in my opinion at very much tourist prices.

[QUOTE=Bbsin26;2721677]Uh. I only had one experience using wechat in Thailand and I ended up with what I'm 99% sure was a ladyboy. Had to pay him / her to leave just so there wouldn't be a scene. Anyone have any good experiences with wechat?[/QUOTE]I had good results with wechat in LOS and Vietnam. Yes, some flakes but a bit of sifting can get results. Aside from Telegram and Skout are there any other apps with a 'nearby' function, which is used widely in Asia?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2721907]Trip end Thoughts.

Icon Siam touted as Bangkok best shopping center was a disappointment,. No KFC or McDonald's.

Is it worth while to go now. Yes.[/QUOTE]This has to be a big plus. If it isn't a joke, it's a bit of a sad observation on a country with one of the best cuisines in the world.

[QUOTE=Barbecue;2718613]I passed by La Belle the other day and saw a big sign out front announcing that it was now open. I checked around a bit and saw that Nancy's and Colonze were open as well. I took a taxi to Colonze and immediately thought I made a mistake. There were some men and one woman standing around outside just talking and loitering. My first impression was that it might not actually be open or that maybe a new operation had opened in the old Colonze space, so when they told me I had to take a COVID test on the spot I nearly walked. I'm glad I didn't. Once inside I could see it was clean and bright and recently remodeled. There were at least 50 girls, arranged by price / category. The lowest price is around 2500 and it, of course, goes up from there. The quality of girls was high there were some really cute girls with something for everyone.

I took an "M" category girl with a dazzling smile and who looked enthusiastic. In the room we spent a lot of time slipping around in the tub, before moving to the bed. There was no inflatable mattress.

Overall, I would go back for the quality of the girls. But the service, good as it was, wasn't as good as the better performers at Dokidoki.[/QUOTE]How much was the damage?

Hoping someone could advise, I really want to find some girls out on the street at night, similar to what you see at nana / asoke, but don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't, I've been here 4 years and still aren't good enough. Are there any locations where the girls are all waiting outside at night, but the majority are actually GIRLS? I've heard of thermae before, but hoping there's somewhere outdoors. Tried online, and massage places before, but there's something about me that really wants to take a girl back home at night dressed in a sexy dress from the street.

[QUOTE=Xones;2722177]Hoping someone could advise, I really want to find some girls out on the street at night, similar to what you see at nana / asoke, but don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't, I've been here 4 years and still aren't good enough. Are there any locations where the girls are all waiting outside at night, but the majority are actually GIRLS? I've heard of thermae before, but hoping there's somewhere outdoors. Tried online, and massage places before, but there's something about me that really wants to take a girl back home at night dressed in a sexy dress from the street.[/QUOTE]If you can't tell the difference between a girl and a LB in one place, you're not going to be able to tell the difference elsewhere. It's not difficult to identify LBs.

I would like to find extremely curvy girls in BKK. I don't mean fat girls, or BBW. By curvy I mean Nicki Minaj type curves. Super thick thighs, thin waist, with HUGE asses. Breast size not as important but prefer big of course.

So far I've only seen African freelancers have these attributes. Are thee really no other ethnicity rocking this body type? I'd pay good money for a Thai girl with the body of Nicki Minaj. Or white girls. Or arabs.

Any tips?

[QUOTE=Xones;2722177]Hoping someone could advise, I really want to find some girls out on the street at night, similar to what you see at nana / asoke, but don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't, I've been here 4 years and still aren't good enough. Are there any locations where the girls are all waiting outside at night, but the majority are actually GIRLS? I've heard of thermae before, but hoping there's somewhere outdoors. Tried online, and massage places before, but there's something about me that really wants to take a girl back home at night dressed in a sexy dress from the street.[/QUOTE]Put your boots on the ground Xones, walk the streets like many of us have, you have to make the effort, and write a report on your findings and experience, no one is just going to hand it to you, also search the forum there are numerous street reports posted through the years. I'm not getting on your ass, just letting you know to do your bit. Just a tip though, there are some who are not joyous at street reports, guess it takes from the clubs and bars.

[QUOTE=Xones;2722177]Hoping someone could advise, I really want to find some girls out on the street at night, similar to what you see at nana / asoke, but don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't, I've been here 4 years and still aren't good enough. Are there any locations where the girls are all waiting outside at night, but the majority are actually GIRLS? I've heard of thermae before, but hoping there's somewhere outdoors. Tried online, and massage places before, but there's something about me that really wants to take a girl back home at night dressed in a sexy dress from the street.[/QUOTE]Dude, why do you want to make things difficult for yourself? BKK & Pattaya are the easiest places in the world to score a GIRL of your choosing. But you should go with the flow until you get a handle on things.

You write you "don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't. " OK, then stick with Nana & Cowboy Go Go's which are segregated into Girl an Ladyboy Go Go's. It is easy to tell the difference. If you can't tell the difference between a Girl Go Go and Ladyboy Go Go at first glance then maybe you should not go to Thailand. It is that obvious.

Oilies and soapies are another excellent choice for unsure newbies because they are also are segregated. All the ones on Soi 24 & Soi 26 are girls only.

"Out on the street at night" like on Soi 4, Soi 11, or on Sukhumvit things are a little more mixed although ladyboys tend to congregate together in small groups so once again anyone with eyes should be able to tell, but if you are unsure then just pass on this source of girls until you are no longer unsure.

I have been going to BKK for over 25 years. I never once had trouble figuring out who was who. The basic rule is when in doubt pass unless subconsciously or consciously you don't want to pass. Up to you. No one cares.

Haha okay.

Best thing I like is whenever you take ladies to your room, hotel staff insists to submit their ID cards which provides an assurance that its overall safe. Some staff in fact also asked me if lady was fine and if I experienced any issues with her.

Very thoughtful.

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2721710]+1 bro. This is the usual one. I never do LT. Too paranoid to sleep with a stranger in my room. What if she wakes up and takes my shit.[/QUOTE]

Went by recently and was met by unusually friendly staff. Did not partake as the staff was not to my taste, but again: friendly. 5-6 women working at 9 pm. Price was 800 baht.

[QUOTE=Xones;2722177]Hoping someone could advise, I really want to find some girls out on the street at night, similar to what you see at nana / asoke, but don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't, I've been here 4 years and still aren't good enough. Are there any locations where the girls are all waiting outside at night, but the majority are actually girls? I've heard of thermae before, but hoping there's somewhere outdoors. Tried online, and massage places before, but there's something about me that really wants to take a girl back home at night dressed in a sexy dress from the street.[/QUOTE]If you are not sure just ask.

[QUOTE=Xones;2722177]I really want to find some girls out on the street at night, similar to what you see at nana / asoke, but don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't[/QUOTE]Ask. Ladyboys don't have a whole lot to gain from lying to you if you'll find out in the room anyway. It generates a potentially ugly situation, and they don't like it more than you do, especially if you're a larger bloke. Back during Covid they were getting desperate and might have considered it. Now that punters are back in decent numbers, there's no need.

Hey folks,

A friend and myself are travelling to Phuket and Bangkok and spending 6 nights split equally between the two.

Can someone guide me on escorts who offer DP, something reliable. Did a bit of searching the only one I found so far was Nong from Bangkok Milking table. Does anyone have a better lead? Or someone they've tried. My PMs open, would appreciate an assist!

[QUOTE=Xones;2722177]Hoping someone could advise, I really want to find some girls out on the street at night, similar to what you see at nana / asoke, but don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't, I've been here 4 years and still aren't good enough. Are there any locations where the girls are all waiting outside at night, but the majority are actually GIRLS? I've heard of thermae before, but hoping there's somewhere outdoors. Tried online, and massage places before, but there's something about me that really wants to take a girl back home at night dressed in a sexy dress from the street.[/QUOTE]Walk away from Nana Plaza due west. Look for 7-11. Many fit the description of what you looking for.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2722268]I would like to find extremely curvy girls in BKK. I don't mean fat girls, or BBW. By curvy I mean Nicki Minaj type curves. Super thick thighs, thin waist, with HUGE asses. Breast size not as important but prefer big of course.

So far I've only seen African freelancers have these attributes. Are thee really no other ethnicity rocking this body type? I'd pay good money for a Thai girl with the body of Nicki Minaj. Or white girls. Or arabs.

Any tips?[/QUOTE]TF girls that post headshots only often have fat asses. That has been my unfortunate experience since I prefer thin bodies.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2722268]I would like to find extremely curvy girls in BKK. I don't mean fat girls, or BBW. By curvy I mean Nicki Minaj type curves. Super thick thighs, thin waist, with HUGE asses. Breast size not as important but prefer big of course.

So far I've only seen African freelancers have these attributes. Are thee really no other ethnicity rocking this body type? I'd pay good money for a Thai girl with the body of Nicki Minaj. Or white girls. Or arabs.

Any tips?[/QUOTE]Take the MRT to Huai Khwang area there are a few massive massage places there but best bet is Poseidon soapy but you need to go to the upper levels and will pay Falang prices that can be 10 K Baht. So its not cheap but will see maxium type girls. The other place I have heard but have not partaken is THE LORD. Same area but south exit.

There is one more way to go about it but also expensive, if you live in bkk join one of the many g clubs around they have dancers that may fit what you need.

DGL.

Lived in BKK 4 yrs. Moved to states now.

[QUOTE=Abandonment;2722506]Hey folks,

A friend and myself are travelling to Phuket and Bangkok and spending 6 nights split equally between the two.

Can someone guide me on escorts who offer DP, something reliable. Did a bit of searching the only one I found so far was Nong from Bangkok Milking table. Does anyone have a better lead? Or someone they've tried. My PMs open, would appreciate an assist![/QUOTE]I am not sure about Phuket, BKK you can, I would look at a place like Devil's Den in Pattaya and see if there are affiliations in BKK. DP is going to be a challenge as Anal is a pretty rare offering but it has been a while since I have been there.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2722395]Dude, why do you want to make things difficult for yourself? BKK & Pattaya are the easiest places in the world to score a GIRL of your choosing. But you should go with the flow until you get a handle on things.

You write you "don't want the roulette game of having to guess who is a ladyboy and who isn't. " OK, then stick with Nana & Cowboy Go Go's which are segregated into Girl an Ladyboy Go Go's. It is easy to tell the difference. If you can't tell the difference between a Girl Go Go and Ladyboy Go Go at first glance then maybe you should not go to Thailand. It is that obvious.

Oilies and soapies are another excellent choice for unsure newbies because they are also are segregated. All the ones on Soi 24 & Soi 26 are girls only.

"Out on the street at night" like on Soi 4, Soi 11, or on Sukhumvit things are a little more mixed although ladyboys tend to congregate together in small groups so once again anyone with eyes should be able to tell, but if you are unsure then just pass on this source of girls until you are no longer unsure.

I have been going to BKK for over 25 years. I never once had trouble figuring out who was who. The basic rule is when in doubt pass unless subconsciously or consciously you don't want to pass. Up to you. No one cares.[/QUOTE]One more option in addition to the above, give a few bahts to the folks at your hotel and they will let you know if you brought in a lady boy. After that, just dump it on their laps and they will take care of him / her.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2722934]One more option in addition to the above, give a few bahts to the folks at your hotel and they will let you know if you brought in a lady boy. After that, just dump it on their laps and they will take care of him / her.[/QUOTE]Problems.

If lady or not if you reject them after you make the deal beware of Thai violence.

On YOU!

[QUOTE=Abandonment;2722506]Hey folks,

A friend and myself are travelling to Phuket and Bangkok and spending 6 nights split equally between the two.

Can someone guide me on escorts who offer DP, something reliable. Did a bit of searching the only one I found so far was Nong from Bangkok Milking table. Does anyone have a better lead? Or someone they've tried. My PMs open, would appreciate an assist![/QUOTE]Make enquiries with Annalisa Massage at Nana on Soi Sukhumvit 6.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they would accommodate.

I'm scheduled to be in BKK in one week so preemptively jumped on TF. Getting tons of interest / messages. Some young but mostly a little older and so so in terms of quality. Is this the case for you with boots on the ground? And are most of these TF girls these days expressing interest for dating or ST / LT?

Thanks.

It is not "may the pox be upon you" it is "the pox may be on you".

During his stay in Phuket, the man had visited two entertainment venues, a health official said, adding that the man also had unprotected sex with a woman.

[URL]https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/thailands-first-monkeypox-patient-found-after-fleeing-cambodia-2831361[/URL]

A question for those that may have given Seeking Arrangement a try in BKK.

I hope you will excuse my double posting of this request.

I am curious for any of you that may have ventured into the Seeking Arrangement method of enjoying some local ladies. I know from practical experience that SA is fraught with possible / probable issues. One thing I am curious is what is the range of payment you made for either PPM or a week or two arrangement?

I know what is expected in other places, but not sure about BKK. My experience is that sometimes you can find a nice PT or OL type that as least wants to believe she is not just getting paid for sex. Most of the time they can be fun partners for dinner / drinks as well. Feel free to respond by PM if you prefer and thank you in advance!

Sky.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2723317]I'm scheduled to be in BKK in one week so preemptively jumped on TF. Getting tons of interest / messages. Some young but mostly a little older and so so in terms of quality. Is this the case for you with boots on the ground? And are most of these TF girls these days expressing interest for dating or ST / LT?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]TF is supposed to be a dating site so you will get a lot of women showing interest who are not the sort for you. When you see a girl that you are interested in send then a message asking if they are a freelancer and ask for their line ID where you can set up a meet.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2723437]A question for those that may have given Seeking Arrangement a try in BKK.

I hope you will excuse my double posting of this request.

I am curious for any of you that may have ventured into the Seeking Arrangement method of enjoying some local ladies. I know from practical experience that SA is fraught with possible / probable issues. One thing I am curious is what is the range of payment you made for either PPM or a week or two arrangement?

I know what is expected in other places, but not sure about BKK. My experience is that sometimes you can find a nice PT or OL type that as least wants to believe she is not just getting paid for sex. Most of the time they can be fun partners for dinner / drinks as well. Feel free to respond by PM if you prefer and thank you in advance!

Sky.[/QUOTE]Most seeking arrangement deals are made bwteen guys and regular girls. IE if you see a girl in a gogo or bar a couple of times a week she may or may not be intetested in making an arrangment with you to stop working. Whether she completely stops working is another point and some guys may or maynot have an issue with this.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2723437]A question for those that may have given Seeking Arrangement a try in BKK.....[/QUOTE]I have tried it in BKK. It's not a good city to use it. You can simply check the daily new profiles to compare to the location you already know to get a feel. Depending on location, seeking may not be what you think it is. In many parts of the world, it has a lot of scammers and prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2723530]TF is supposed to be a dating site so you will get a lot of women showing interest who are not the sort for you. When you see a girl that you are interested in send then a message asking if they are a freelancer and ask for their line ID where you can set up a meet.[/QUOTE]I've been using TF for a few years. I buy the subscription one month before my trip and start harvesting. I have a trip to Phuket next month and have already made a lot of contacts. Recently I have found most of the younger girls, 22-35, are freelancers even is their profile states they are looking for a serious relationship.

I always ask "are you looking for a BF or husband? The FLs will always reply with "customers. " Majority will not reply to any message if you are not physically in Thailand.

Many girls will post their line in their profile, which indicates they are FLs.

Same with those whose first reply to your message includes their line.

Hearing about his place for the first time.

Any feedback on how it currently is?

What is it like?

What are the prices?

Is it worth visiting on my next time in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2723566]I have tried it in BKK. It's not a good city to use it. You can simply check the daily new profiles to compare to the location you already know to get a feel. Depending on location, seeking may not be what you think it is. In many parts of the world, it has a lot of scammers and prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I'd agree with you that there tend to be a lot of scammers and ladies with unrealistic expectations. I was hoping to get some kind of idea from a punter that has used it as to what pricing they may have used with some success. I usually start early making contacts and have found the ones that tell you to get in touch when you arrive are "pros", plus I never meet without a video call first. That tends to week out the "photoshopped to extinction" crowd a bit as well. The good thing about BKK is that there is no issue finding a female companion, just was looking to find something a bit less "transactional" even though in the end that is exactly what it is.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Sky.

It would be an interesting discussion to see how much people on this board pay to take their girlfriend out of the bar.

I know an older guy who has a smoking hot 19 year old and pays her just 20 k. But she is free to make extra on the side, which surprising she doesn't do much. I know because I have asked her several times - 555.

I also know another guy that gives his girl 50 k, and another 100 k. Both hotties in early twenties. Both met during covid so the girls were making a lot less. In non covid times I don't know if they would accept 50 k or even 100 k. Maybe they would maybe they would not.

The issue when covid goes is that the girls will start to earn more money and hence want more to be taken out of the bar. I know of girls that make 150 k, 200 k and even 400 k in a gogo. Think 2 x ST + 1 LT = 12 k per night, times 30 = 360 k plus the odd tip or sponsor money sent in. Super hotties can really earn however they can only do it for a very short time.

That they get tired and would take less to have a steady partner that treats them decently. By decently, I mean is just a half decent dude and not some abusive drunk.

Anyone else like to contribute to how much they or any friends give to their GF that was taken out of the bar?

Any one know of a super hottie (less than 27) that wants a 50 k neg per month deal? Because I am in the market. LOL.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2723755]Any one know of a super hottie (less than 27) that wants a 50 k neg per month deal? Because I am in the market. LOL.[/QUOTE]I couldn't handle the same lady for a month. I get tired of them by 3 days.

It never fails, if the lady is slim, I crave a lady with big tits and wide hips. If I am with a curvy lady, I want a spinner. So, I usually just do one-nighters.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2723753]It would be an interesting discussion to see how much people on this board pay to take their girlfriend out of the bar.

I know an older guy who has a smoking hot 19 year old and pays her just 20 k. But she is free to make extra on the side, which surprising she doesn't do much. I know because I have asked her several times - 555.

I also know another guy that gives his girl 50 k, and another 100 k. Both hotties in early twenties. Both met during covid so the girls were making a lot less. In non covid times I don't know if they would accept 50 k or even 100 k. Maybe they would maybe they would not.

The issue when covid goes is that the girls will start to earn more money and hence want more to be taken out of the bar. I know of girls that make 150 k, 200 k and even 400 k in a gogo. Think 2 x ST + 1 LT = 12 k per night, times 30 = 360 k plus the odd tip or sponsor money sent in. Super hotties can really earn however they can only do it for a very short time.

That they get tired and would take less to have a steady partner that treats them decently. By decently, I mean is just a half decent dude and not some abusive drunk.

Anyone else like to contribute to how much they or any friends give to their GF that was taken out of the bar?[/QUOTE]No woman has sex every day of the month. No woman is worth 100 K baht a month (of course wives can cost more than this.) If you do take a woman as a long term companion you are saving her a lot of money. You will be feeding her and supplying her needs. So the benefit to her is more than just the money she gets from you. But why would you do this? If they were a great tour guide and you planned on traveling around Thailand then I could see the advantage of hiring a companion short term. But I have tried this in the past and most Asian girls make bad tour guides and you are pulling your hair out after a couple of days. Go to a BJ bar and get drained and then rethink this when your mind is right.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2723753]It would be an interesting discussion to see how much people on this board pay to take their girlfriend out of the bar.

I know an older guy who has a smoking hot 19 year old and pays her just 20 k. But she is free to make extra on the side, which surprising she doesn't do much. I know because I have asked her several times - 555.

I also know another guy that gives his girl 50 k, and another 100 k. Both hotties in early twenties. Both met during covid so the girls were making a lot less. In non covid times I don't know if they would accept 50 k or even 100 k. Maybe they would maybe they would not.

The issue when covid goes is that the girls will start to earn more money and hence want more to be taken out of the bar. I know of girls that make 150 k, 200 k and even 400 k in a gogo. Think 2 x ST + 1 LT = 12 k per night, times 30 = 360 k plus the odd tip or sponsor money sent in. Super hotties can really earn however they can only do it for a very short time.

That they get tired and would take less to have a steady partner that treats them decently. By decently, I mean is just a half decent dude and not some abusive drunk.

Anyone else like to contribute to how much they or any friends give to their GF that was taken out of the bar?[/QUOTE]No doubt there are a few girls who get 2 barfines a night.

Now these Stars going on a LT after that I just Don't believe.

Non Superstar s don't want LT. Lose Face. Extrapolate to everyone else.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2723755]Any one know of a super hottie (less than 27) that wants a 50 k neg per month deal? Because I am in the market. LOL.[/QUOTE]My non-pro Thai friend works in a BKK supermarket for about 9 K baht per month. She occasionally gets OT. Base pay is 9 K.

Friend #2 is a Thai school teacher in Northern Thailand and makes 31 K baht per month.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2723782]No woman has sex every day of the month. No woman is worth 100 K baht a month (of course wives can cost more than this.) If you do take a woman as a long term companion you are saving her a lot of money. You will be feeding her and supplying her needs. So the benefit to her is more than just the money she gets from you. But why would you do this? If they were a great tour guide and you planned on traveling around Thailand then I could see the advantage of hiring a companion short term. But I have tried this in the past and most Asian girls make bad tour guides and you are pulling your hair out after a couple of days. Go to a BJ bar and get drained and then rethink this when your mind is right.[/QUOTE]So so so many wrong statements and assumptions there.

I'll start and finish with your first one.

Many, Many, MANY older (as in mid 20's plus) working women have sex every day of the month, month after month, after month!

They have medication they can take that totally stops menstruation and lets them work every day.

Yes it has side effects for them if used long term, IE difficulty getting pregnant and carrying to full term, but they know that, and they use it.

It is especially less of a concern if they already have children, or they have decided to never have one.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2723753]It would be an interesting discussion to see how much people on this board pay to take their girlfriend out of the bar.

I know an older guy who has a smoking hot 19 year old and pays her just 20 k. But she is free to make extra on the side, which surprising she doesn't do much. I know because I have asked her several times - 555.

I also know another guy that gives his girl 50 k, and another 100 k. Both hotties in early twenties. Both met during covid so the girls were making a lot less. In non covid times I don't know if they would accept 50 k or even 100 k. Maybe they would maybe they would not.

The issue when covid goes is that the girls will start to earn more money and hence want more to be taken out of the bar. I know of girls that make 150 k, 200 k and even 400 k in a gogo. Think 2 x ST + 1 LT = 12 k per night, times 30 = 360 k plus the odd tip or sponsor money sent in. Super hotties can really earn however they can only do it for a very short time.

That they get tired and would take less to have a steady partner that treats them decently. By decently, I mean is just a half decent dude and not some abusive drunk.

Anyone else like to contribute to how much they or any friends give to their GF that was taken out of the bar?[/QUOTE]You forgot to factor in the money they can make from advertising gigs, online chats, online videos, OnlyFans, DarkFans, Chaturbate, etc.

First time since Covid. I'm into the gogo bars. Nana all the gogo bars open but not the same number of girls and not really so many lookers. Soi Cowboy some clubs closed down like Sharks which I used like. Baccara open but far fewer girls. I hadn't really met any girl or girls I thought wow and it was getting near closing. Luckily found 2 friendly girls in Cowboys and took them. Not great lookers but their effort and friendliness made up for it so overall v happy with my one night.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2723766]I couldn't handle the same lady for a month. I get tired of them by 3 days....

[/QUOTE]Damn, you are really a long time guy, I get tired of them as soon as I spurt.

If they suck real good, and know some out of the way place, OK, Ill see her again. But the former usually disqualifies them and I have been to most of the places anyway.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2723753]It would be an interesting discussion to see how much people on this board pay to take their girlfriend out of the bar...[/QUOTE]My experiences with this do not involve taking a girl out of the bar exactly. I never required them to stop working at a bar but in each of three cases the girl expressed fatigue and disinterest in working in a bar anymore. I told them they could take any job they wanted, or none at all, look for something better, take your time and only take something you like. After all, my ongoing financial support would cover costs plus more and allow for their freedom to choose. And, yes, perhaps that was a mistake. But the thing is I know expecting a Thai girl to just sit at home and look at the walls until I meet her is practically demanding she cheat and sneak out for fun anyway. And I wasn't offering to have them live with me where I could monitor their behavior almost 24/7. I didn't want that. No, this was going to be an "arrangement", not a life partner relationship.

My sexual needs are rather conventional; DFK, shaved pussy, DATY, BBBJ as foreplay or to CIM completion, bonus points for Cum Swallow but not a deal killer with the right girl, BBFSCIP, of course. And I am fine with a single session and pop per day at most. I can easily skip days and feel fine if not better about it.

So over the past almost 10 years I have met 4 ladies with whom I felt enough ongoing and repeatable session interest to make this "arrangement" offer. I would say none of these would qualify as top tier beauties or bar Super Stars. Keep that in mind as you assess the outcome. It's just that there was something about each that touched my dick, balls and heart enough to know I would enjoy seeing them many times into the future. In every case, I had already been with them several times to my satisfaction and knew I could, wanted, to see them at least 2-3 times per week every week for a while anyway and not feel I was missing anything by not hunting and bagging new girls every week. They had seemed quite eager and happy to meet me as well as to accept the offer:

1st girl, about 8 years ago. A Patpong BJ Bar girl. Mid 20's. Her bar was going to close soon. I offered to give her 30,000 baht per month (8 years ago mind you). The deal was supposed to be she would come stay for LT 2-3 per week with plenty of "with pay" allowances for a week or two every few months when she would go to her province to spend time with her kid.

As a show of good faith, I paid the first month in advance. Uh-huh. That lasted about 10 days, then she faded away and disappeared. There was no second month. I have seen her off and on since and she doesn't know why she fucked that up so much.

2nd girl, about 2 years ago during the Covid closures. I met a, get this, mid 30's, slightly overweight street cart bar girl who, yep, still touched those body parts mentioned above in the right way enough to add that to the mix with the fact that since Covid was beginning to rage around the world this might be a good time to set up an ongoing program with one partner for a while. Good for her. Good for me. And there were barely any customers to be had anyway. I liked her. This would be great for her. The deal was 10,000 baht per week, stay LT 3 times per week starting at a reasonable hour of the evening, say starting at 11 pm or Midnight depending on what other job she had or even the same job. Pay After, at the end of each week. I got smarter, right?

She lasted 1 week. Then she showed up shit-faced drunk and surly at 3 am or 4 am twice that second week and the sex was somewhere between horrible and non existent. I gave her a very generous 5,000 for that second week and said bye. I have seen her off and on at a bar here or there since then, too, but never took her again. I am certain she thinks I cheated her out of some pay for that second week and still owe her 5,000 baht.

3rd girl was a bargirl I met in a small beer bar about a year prior to the Covid closures. 19 when I met her and began to session with her every week, sometimes she came over after the bar closed (early, about 12 midnight) at major discount LT rates considering her age and looks, imo. I was smitten, to say the least. But it wasn't until after the bars began to reopen and she returned from a long stay in her province that she began to express an interest in getting out of the bargirl business. So I made this offer; 40,000 per month (plus the usual expected extra expenses that always come along so it was going to be at least 50 K per month anyway), work any job she found and liked, take your time, or no job at all, up to her. Just come stay LT with me 2-3 times per week including the same "with pay" occasional week off to visit her province allowances I gave the previous two girls.

I really liked her and had known her much more than the previous two girls and, frankly, felt she had always been more than fair with me money-wise. Pay Before vs Pay After didn't seem to matter in terms of ongoing success with these deals, so I gave her that first 40 K upfront at a time when she and her family supposedly really needed it in a lump sum. Besides, of any of the bargirls I have met and been with, this one was the one I would be very open to developing into a more serious relationship. In which case, a greater level of trust was in order. I needed to test this theory for at least a month.

She didn't last a full week. Flaked out and ghosted me for most of the rest of the month and then she more-or-less disappeared from the local bar scene. Well, her story was she had to go to her province to take care of sick grandma. But more likely she got a much bigger and better offer that she took instead.

4th girl was kind of on a whim and does not fully fit a weekly or monthly arrangement as above. But it was supposed to be an ongoing repeat program. Again, it was a 23 year old Freelancer I had known and sessioned with a few times pre Covid. She suddenly reappeared on my Line after an absence from the scene for about a year and we sessioned again a couple of times. It was great. She began to pester me to let her stay 2-3 nights in a row per week 2-3 times per month. She has a regular job in her province and those 2-3 nights in a row deals would help justify the 6-7 hour bus ride she'd have to take to Bangkok. I agreed, was a happy to agree actually, and the deal was 2,500 for each overnight LT stay, Pay After. And, yes, with the usual "can you send me 300 to top off" whatever bits here and there.

That lasted one week so far. She stayed 3 nights in a row once a few weeks ago. Since then it has been one postponed trip to Bangkok after another. But the "can you send me" stuff continued until if hit about 1,500 baht total and then I stopped it. Only Pay After from here on, sweetheart, love you. She was supposed to come for 3 nights in a row again two Sundays ago, but couldn't. Then the following Monday, but couldn't. Then the following Tuesday, etc etc etc. Maybe she'll show up again someday. Don't know. Don't really care. As long as it is Pay After, no big deal.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2724074]Damn, you are really a long time guy, I get tired of them as soon as I spurt.

If they suck real good, and know some out of the way place, OK, Ill see her again. But the former usually disqualifies them and I have been to most of the places anyway.[/QUOTE]90% of the ladies come to my place for 3 hours and leave. I do some overnighters, and maybe go with a handful for trips.

[QUOTE=Thomas9;2634375]Day 19.

Mitu / SOAP ([URL]http://mitubangkok.com/[/URL]) - 90 minute 4-hand nuru / 7600. [/QUOTE]Hey Thomas, cheers bro for such detailed reports. It looks like you had an epic few weeks a few months back. I haven't been back to Thailand since COVID ruined our lives, but am looking forward to the next chance I get. Hopefully it will be soon so I can follow the path you've blazed.

Hey everyone,

Arriving BKK mid September, I figured I might want to order an escort for a full day to show me around, as well as FS. I have no idea on what to expect from the weather at that time, so having my first day with a professional escort like Sunny (just search her name in Google if you don't know her) might make things easier for me.

I am looking for an escort to travel with me for one day and show me places to visit in BKK, take pictures of me from my own camera, show me good places to eat, give me insights on how to plan the rest of my trip, be a good companion and an experienced sex partner.

From what I've seen in her website, Sunny looks exactly like that. The only problem is her age, which is around 40 or more (my age is around 30).

The photos in her website look good, but I can't know if they are new or old, same with the age she states in her website.

A slim girl around 20-30 yo is what I prefer but it's not a must. I'm very open minded.

So please, can someone confirm about her? And even better, if you can suggest someone else for this?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2724179]My experiences with this do not involve taking a girl out of the bar exactly. I never required them to stop working at a bar but in each of three cases the girl expressed fatigue and disinterest in working in a bar anymore. I told them they could take any job they wanted, or none at all, look for something better, take your time and only take something you like. After all, my ongoing financial support would cover costs plus more and allow for their freedom to choose. And, yes, perhaps that was a mistake. But the thing is I know expecting a Thai girl to just sit at home and look at the walls until I meet her is practically demanding she cheat and sneak out for fun anyway. And I wasn't offering to have them live with me where I could monitor their behavior almost 24/7. I didn't want that. No, this was going to be an "arrangement", not a life partner relationship..[/QUOTE]Fantastic post. Thanks for taking the time to write.

This is what bugs me about Thai girls. Their short term thinking and not realizing the value of what they have or could have.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2723870]You forgot to factor in the money they can make from advertising gigs, online chats, online videos, OnlyFans, DarkFans, Chaturbate, etc.[/QUOTE]My guess that most girls Ancillary income is three fiddy baht.

I've seen Thai girls on Chaturbate. Threes and four on the scale of beauty. 3 followers.

Attractive Chinese have followers in the 100's.

Generally. If a girl isn't making it in a live setting it's hard for me to believe they cashing in online.

Could be wrong on this one.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2724274]The photos in her website look good, but I can't know if they are new or old, same with the age she states in her website.

A slim girl around 20-30 yo is what I prefer but it's not a must. I'm very open minded.
[/QUOTE]In my limited experience, girls in the escort/guide business are older, sloppier bodies, and generally less beautiful than their advertising implies. They also flat out lie regarding age, height, and weight. The girl you mention looks too chunky for my taste and there is a good chance she will be less attractive in person. Suggest you arrange a short Line video call before you meet. These girls can be very different in reality than they seem from their webpages, a video call will help you assess that issue.

Slightly pre-COVID I spent a day with one on my non-P4P girlfriends in BKK and 3 of her girlfriends. A month later I learned that the least attractive girl in the bunch was an escort/guide. I then searched the internet and found her webpage, I couldn't believe she was the same girl that was in our group for the day, she was a true hottie on her misleading webpage.

Your concept of touring BKK and sex in a single day is quite ambitious. Bangkok is huge and traffic is difficult. If/when you find a suitable guide/escort I would suggest a minimum of two days if you expect to see anything in Bangkok.

In my current tours of the BJ bars here I recently visited Wood BJ bar (old Dr. BJ / Chrome bar) on Suk 7/1. Of the BJ bars I've visited so far, I'd say this one has the largest number of doable staff, which I on the evening in question counted to two doable staff out of 5-6.

I of course forgot to get the name of my chosen chrome polisher, but she was friendly, did a pretty good job and was easy on the eyes, with rather big knockers and I'd estimate the age to be around 30.

Price was 800 baht. Walked past the other regular bars on my way back and forth, and think I saw one doable girl, but admittedly I just glanced in passing.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2724359]In my limited experience, girls in the escort/guide business are older, sloppier bodies, and generally less beautiful than their advertising implies. They also flat out lie regarding age, height, and weight. The girl you mention looks too chunky for my taste and there is a good chance she will be less attractive in person. Suggest you arrange a short Line video call before you meet. These girls can be very different in reality than they seem from their webpages, a video call will help you assess that issue.

Slightly pre-COVID I spent a day with one on my non-P4P girlfriends in BKK and 3 of her girlfriends. A month later I learned that the least attractive girl in the bunch was an escort/guide. I then searched the internet and found her webpage, I couldn't believe she was the same girl that was in our group for the day, she was a true hottie on her misleading webpage.

Your concept of touring BKK and sex in a single day is quite ambitious. Bangkok is huge and traffic is difficult. If/when you find a suitable guide/escort I would suggest a minimum of two days if you expect to see anything in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for the advice. I made another research and found a review from 2010 that the girl was 36 yo. Well, that concludes it.

Can anyone suggest a good looking girl, who can show me around for 2 days (as HorseTrader suggested) as well as be a good sex partner during that time?

I'm traveling through this forum's posts for some time, but since covid slammed the industry for a long period, things have changed and I can't tell if the older reports are relevant today.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2724304]Fantastic post. Thanks for taking the time to write.

This is what bugs me about Thai girls. Their short term thinking and not realizing the value of what they have or could have.[/QUOTE]I've either experienced or witnessed similar or the same type issues in a number of countries around the world. South America, China, Philippines, it doesn't seem to matter. I do believe that for many of them, they assume the fact they cute / sexy and have a vagina they are willing to allow the gentleman in question to use it for their own pleasure, (albeit for a price), plus an occasional blow job and playing with their boobs will be enough for most men to forgive their bad behavior. It comes as a shock when they find out otherwise. As they gain life experience, the ability to find another willing man diminishes, which is another hard lesson learned too late many times. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2723566]I have tried it in BKK. It's not a good city to use it. You can simply check the daily new profiles to compare to the location you already know to get a feel. Depending on location, seeking may not be what you think it is. In many parts of the world, it has a lot of scammers and prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I really do appreciate the feedback, and I realized I may not have correctly posed my question. Hiring a lady for sex (professionals) is as easy as walking into a Gogo or arranging an escort online. I am trying to find something a little different with the understanding that the result may not be what I desire.

I am looking for a lady or two that while is open to the idea of being compensated for sex, prefers not to think of herself as selling sex. Maybe she is working in an office or has her own little shop and needs / wants to supplement that income. I thought that maybe something like Seeking Arrangement might be a place they would make themselves available under the pretense of being a "Sugar baby". I am also sure that there are a lot of "pros" that see this as a not so much effort way to get clients as well. It is fairly easy to determine when a lady is a professional as opposed to part time. Flaking, ghosting is part of the package for certain. I can't thing of another method to try and meet this demographic, but maybe they do put themselves on Tinder, WeChat, etc. Truth is the worst thing that happens is it is a total bust and I pick up the phone and place an order for an escort or go get a massage with extra service. I just thought it would be fun to explore something of a different opportunithy.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2724572]I really do appreciate the feedback, and I realized I may not have correctly posed my question. Hiring a lady for sex (professionals) is as easy as walking into a Gogo or arranging an escort online. I am trying to find something a little different with the understanding that the result may not be what I desire.

I am looking for a lady or two that while is open to the idea of being compensated for sex, prefers not to think of herself as selling sex. Maybe she is working in an office or has her own little shop and needs / wants to supplement that income. I thought that maybe something like Seeking Arrangement might be a place they would make themselves available under the pretense of being a "Sugar baby". I am also sure that there are a lot of "pros" that see this as a not so much effort way to get clients as well. It is fairly easy to determine when a lady is a professional as opposed to part time. Flaking, ghosting is part of the package for certain. I can't thing of another method to try and meet this demographic, but maybe they do put themselves on Tinder, WeChat, etc. Truth is the worst thing that happens is it is a total bust and I pick up the phone and place an order for an escort or go get a massage with extra service. I just thought it would be fun to explore something of a different opportunithy.[/QUOTE]Thaifriendly in BKK is best for this go after the girls that do not contact you and take some time and you'll find what you want.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2724179]My experiences with this do not involve taking a girl out of the bar exactly. I never required them to stop working at a bar but in each of three cases the girl expressed fatigue and disinterest in working in a bar anymore. I told them they could take any job they wanted, or none at all, look for something better, take your time and only take something you like. After all, my ongoing financial support would cover costs plus more and allow for their freedom to choose. And, yes, perhaps that was a mistake. But the thing is I know expecting a Thai girl to just sit at home and look at the walls until I meet her is practically demanding she cheat and sneak out for fun anyway. And I wasn't offering to have them live with me where I could monitor their behavior almost 24/7. I didn't want that. No, this was going to be an "arrangement", not a life partner relationship.

My sexual needs are rather conventional; DFK, shaved pussy, DATY, BBBJ as foreplay or to CIM completion, bonus points for Cum Swallow but not a deal killer with the right girl, BBFSCIP, of course. And I am fine with a single session and pop per day at most. I can easily skip days and feel fine if not better about it...[/QUOTE]Wow, nice try. These Thai chicks don't seem to know how to live. Too bad.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2724562]I've either experienced or witnessed similar or the same type issues in a number of countries around the world. South America, China, Philippines, it doesn't seem to matter. I do believe that for many of them, they assume the fact they cute / sexy and have a vagina they are willing to allow the gentleman in question to use it for their own pleasure, (albeit for a price), plus an occasional blow job and playing with their boobs will be enough for most men to forgive their bad behavior. It comes as a shock when they find out otherwise. As they gain life experience, the ability to find another willing man diminishes, which is another hard lesson learned too late many times. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Your post is probably correct. I would also add that I doubt these young girls think further than a few hours ahead. They certainly don't think more than a few weeks out.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2724611]Wow, nice try. These Thai chicks don't seem to know how to live. Too bad.[/QUOTE]My BG regular had a best friend who has been taken out of the bar. She is apparently going to call off her arrangement to return to the bar because she's struggling to stay with a guy she has no feelings for and is not comfortable with the blatantly obvious age gap and cultural difference.

It baffles me as to why a girl would "ghost" a client when all she has to do is commit to 2/3 meets per week for 40/50 k and not have to deal with the constant alcohol consumption, late nights and unfamiliar clients. Understandable that a full time gig would be much harder to sustain mentally and emotionally.

Hey mongers. Zooming out a bit here as a relatively recent resident (and long time visitor). Some things are worth writing about to break mentions of all the same or similar places post after post. The fuck happened to exploring? I. e. Bangkok Noi has places for local mongers to play but Sukhumvit seems like the holy grail for all? Nobody even mentioning likes of Ratchatewi or Ratchaprop and the likes? Me for one, I'm all about the local grubby experience. If borderline illegal or obviously paying cops off, so much the better. #localMongering.

But okay lets go mainstream then and take a moment to meditate. After what was a grueling but successful 3 days of work, one has to appreciate working in downtown BKK and being able to take a walk to soi 8 and walking just past a few bars with cheap beer, past Lolitas and straight into Kasalong for a nice BJ session worth 800 B (fucking inflation. But CIM worth it when you need it, no? And walking out with balls empty and smile lit up to nearby bar for a nice cool pint of Asahi.

Then walking forward to Soi Nana for another beer in Stumble Inn (them soiside seats are hard to beat) and yet another in Blarney Stone while ladies in Plaza get tested for what-ever-the-police-fuck, all the while knowing partytime is just maybe an hour away. Soi 7/1 alive as ever, Soi 7 beer bars slowly coming alive and more spatious, and if you don't like all that there's Tilac in Soi Cowboy a short mototaxi / tuktuk ride away, or, if you're so inclined, a whole host of gay bars in Silom. Want your balls emptied a few more times? Fear not, soi 22 and 24 are not far either. Ladies in Thermae too, and so on. Its pussytown all over, covid bye bye, monkeypox schmonkeypox.

Ah and let's not forget braving the traffic back to your condo on the back of a skilled mototaxi, speeding through the evening and smelling the delicious barbecued pork from nearby food courts as you run along. Tell the guy to stop, grab him a few skewers why not and near the end share a few beers too.

No other place in the world like this.

Bargirl makes 30 000 in her bar.

Old man on Viagara offers to take her out of said establishment for 30 k.

Incentive not big enough. She would rather have Sex with strangers for an hour at a time than be beholden to one.

Come on guys. We aren't Brad Pitt.

[QUOTE=Enzo2019;2724707]My BG regular had a best friend who has been taken out of the bar. She is apparently going to call off her arrangement to return to the bar because she's struggling to stay with a guy she has no feelings for and is not comfortable with the blatantly obvious age gap and cultural difference.

It baffles me as to why a girl would "ghost" a client when all she has to do is commit to 2/3 meets per week for 40/50 k and not have to deal with the constant alcohol consumption, late nights and unfamiliar clients. Understandable that a full time gig would be much harder to sustain mentally and emotionally.[/QUOTE]I think many Thai bargirls are addicted to exactly those things, "the constant alcohol consumption, late nights and unfamiliar clients". And to getting paid money for it. A lot of money.

Most I know could have gotten different jobs without those elements involved. But why? I honestly don't know any "poor" Thai prostitutes who must do things they hate because they have no choice. "Poor" by Thai standards, that is. The lousiest level of money they're getting for it still beats laundering hotel towels at 4 am or standing behind a hot street food cart in the weather for 10 hours a day. So that's a big part of why they do it.

Their lives before the bar life were boring unless they were hanging out with their girlfriends, the communal eating, drinking, flirting. They know very well their lives after the bar means they will now be the grandmas sitting at home with the babies.

There is a brief window of opportunity between the two for them to seize upon. Most Thai girls are too frightened to seize upon it. Bargirls are not. And many overstay their welcome.

It is an exhilarating experience for these otherwise ordinary (or less) looking and poorly educated Thai girls to be so openly catered to, tended to and paid attention to by relatively highly monied foreign men. And a game among them to see what they can get out of it.

That is a heady feeling of empowerment they have never felt until they started working at a bar and will never feel again when they hang it up. Makes it really difficult for some to hang it up.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2724322]My guess that most girls Ancillary income is three fiddy baht.

I've seen Thai girls on Chaturbate. Threes and four on the scale of beauty. 3 followers.

Attractive Chinese have followers in the 100's.

Generally. If a girl isn't making it in a live setting it's hard for me to believe they cashing in online.

Could be wrong on this one.[/QUOTE]You are well and truly wrong.

They are very much cashing in, with legions of follower.

Enough that they don't need to work hustling like they used to.

They now very much work when and how they want.

Good read. Help me find a job in BKK. LOL: the.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2724791]Hey mongers. Zooming out a bit here as a relatively recent resident (and long time visitor). Some things are worth writing about to break mentions of all the same or similar places post after post. The fuck happened to exploring? I. e. Bangkok Noi has places for local mongers to play but Sukhumvit seems like the holy grail for all? Nobody even mentioning likes of Ratchatewi or Ratchaprop and the likes? Me for one, I'm all about the local grubby experience. If borderline illegal or obviously paying cops off, so much the better. #localMongering.

But okay lets go mainstream then and take a moment to meditate. After what was a grueling but successful 3 days of work, one has to appreciate working in downtown BKK and being able to take a walk to soi 8 and walking just past a few bars with cheap beer, past Lolitas and straight into Kasalong for a nice BJ session worth 800 B (fucking inflation. But CIM worth it when you need it, no? And walking out with balls empty and smile lit up to nearby bar for a nice cool pint of Asahi..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2724791]Hey mongers. Zooming out a bit here as a relatively recent resident (and long time visitor). Some things are worth writing about to break mentions of all the same or similar places post after post. The fuck happened to exploring? I. e. Bangkok Noi has places for local mongers to play but Sukhumvit seems like the holy grail for all? Nobody even mentioning likes of Ratchatewi or Ratchaprop and the likes? Me for one, I'm all about the local grubby experience. If borderline illegal or obviously paying cops off, so much the better. #localMongering.

But okay lets go mainstream then and take a moment to meditate. After what was a grueling but successful 3 days of work, one has to appreciate working in downtown BKK and being able to take a walk to soi 8 and walking just past a few bars with cheap beer, past Lolitas and straight into Kasalong for a nice BJ session worth 800 B (fucking inflation. But CIM worth it when you need it, no? And walking out with balls empty and smile lit up to nearby bar for a nice cool pint of Asahi.

Then walking forward to Soi Nana for another beer in Stumble Inn (them soiside seats are hard to beat) and yet another in Blarney Stone while ladies in Plaza get tested for what-ever-the-police-fuck, all the while knowing partytime is just maybe an hour away. Soi 7/1 alive as ever, Soi 7 beer bars slowly coming alive and more spatious, and if you don't like all that there's Tilac in Soi Cowboy a short mototaxi / tuktuk ride away, or, if you're so inclined, a whole host of gay bars in Silom. Want your balls emptied a few more times? Fear not, soi 22 and 24 are not far either. Ladies in Thermae too, and so on. Its pussytown all over, covid bye bye, monkeypox schmonkeypox.

Ah and let's not forget braving the traffic back to your condo on the back of a skilled mototaxi, speeding through the evening and smelling the delicious barbecued pork from nearby food courts as you run along. Tell the guy to stop, grab him a few skewers why not and near the end share a few beers too.

No other place in the world like this.[/QUOTE]HF. Nothing but stellar reporting. Thanks.

I have had a couple of arrangement type deals in Bangkok. One was an ex bar girl that only worked a very short time and another a student who never worked. Both arrangements worked out quite well during the lockdowns that occured during covid. Alot of guys grabbed their favourite "friend" as we entered into the start of lockdowns in 2020. With a 9 pm curfew it was a popular way to pass the time.

Thailand is a hierarchical society and most likely the ladies we meet will come from and mostly mix with the poorest and lowest social group. There are of course a lot of decent people in the lower socio economic group however there are also a ton of low lifes. If someone chooses to hang out with low lifes the end result is going to be very predictable.

Both of the young ladies I hung with were decent people however there was a constant issue as to their behaviour was that of their class structure in public. Think someone at the very low end of society in your home country and you can imagine the issues that you have to put up with. My main issue was always the lunatics they would choose to associate with caused constant drama. They would also look at what their friends were doing and be drawn to the same bad behaviour which they tried to cover up with lies that would easily be seen through. Alot of minor but truly dumb stuff ended both of my arrangements. In the second instance I dodged a major bullet that now some guy is having to deal with, I actually feel sorry for the guy, but luckily it is not my problem.

In both of the ladies I was with I made them an offer after I was with them a alot over a 6 week period. Both ladies ended up spending more and more time at my condo on their own accord so there was some connection there. Progressing to a more formal arrangement was relatively seemless.

No regrets really, as waking up to a nice young piece of ass when the city was basically shut in 2020 was not too bad. The only thing I would change in retrospect would be more strict in allowing how often they hung out with their lunatic friends. It would not have made a difference to the outcome but it would have made the period together less dramatic, there would have been less "I cannot believe you could make that bad decision" moments.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2724791]Hey mongers. Zooming out a bit here as a relatively recent resident (and long time visitor). Some things are worth writing about to break mentions of all the same or similar places post after post. The fuck happened to exploring? I. e. Bangkok Noi has places for local mongers to play but Sukhumvit seems like the holy grail for all? Nobody even mentioning likes of Ratchatewi or Ratchaprop and the likes? Me for one, I'm all about the local grubby experience. If borderline illegal or obviously paying cops off, so much the better. #localMongering.

But okay lets go mainstream then and take a moment to meditate. After what was a grueling but successful 3 days of work, one has to appreciate working in downtown BKK and being able to take a walk to soi 8 and walking just past a few bars with cheap beer, past Lolitas and straight into Kasalong for a nice BJ session worth 800 B (fucking inflation. But CIM worth it when you need it, no? And walking out with balls empty and smile lit up to nearby bar for a nice cool pint of Asahi.

Then walking forward to Soi Nana for another beer in Stumble Inn (them soiside seats are hard to beat) and yet another in Blarney Stone while ladies in Plaza get tested for what-ever-the-police-fuck, all the while knowing partytime is just maybe an hour away. Soi 7/1 alive as ever, Soi 7 beer bars slowly coming alive and more spatious, and if you don't like all that there's Tilac in Soi Cowboy a short mototaxi / tuktuk ride away, or, if you're so inclined, a whole host of gay bars in Silom. Want your balls emptied a few more times? Fear not, soi 22 and 24 are not far either. Ladies in Thermae too, and so on. Its pussytown all over, covid bye bye, monkeypox schmonkeypox.

Ah and let's not forget braving the traffic back to your condo on the back of a skilled mototaxi, speeding through the evening and smelling the delicious barbecued pork from nearby food courts as you run along. Tell the guy to stop, grab him a few skewers why not and near the end share a few beers too.

No other place in the world like this.[/QUOTE]What a fabulous report. All so true and very helpful. Maybe only FKK land in Germany rivals your final conclusion.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2724948]I have had a couple of arrangement type deals in Bangkok. One was an ex bar girl that only worked a very short time and another a student who never worked. Both arrangements worked out quite well during the lockdowns that occured during covid. Alot of guys grabbed their favourite "friend" as we entered into the start of lockdowns in 2020. With a 9 pm curfew it was a popular way to pass the time.

Thailand is a hierarchical society and most likely the ladies we meet will come from and mostly mix with the poorest and lowest social group. There are of course a lot of decent people in the lower socio economic group however there are also a ton of low lifes. If someone chooses to hang out with low lifes the end result is going to be very predictable.

Both of the young ladies I hung with were decent people however there was a constant issue as to their behaviour was that of their class structure in public. Think someone at the very low end of society in your home country and you can imagine the issues that you have to put up with. My main issue was always the lunatics they would choose to associate with caused constant drama. They would also look at what their friends were doing and be drawn to the same bad behaviour which they tried to cover up with lies that would easily be seen through. Alot of minor but truly dumb stuff ended both of my arrangements. In the second instance I dodged a major bullet that now some guy is having to deal with, I actually feel sorry for the guy, but luckily it is not my problem.

In both of the ladies I was with I made them an offer after I was with them a alot over a 6 week period. Both ladies ended up spending more and more time at my condo on their own accord so there was some connection there. Progressing to a more formal arrangement was relatively seemless.

No regrets really, as waking up to a nice young piece of ass when the city was basically shut in 2020 was not too bad. The only thing I would change in retrospect would be more strict in allowing how often they hung out with their lunatic friends. It would not have made a difference to the outcome but it would have made the period together less dramatic, there would have been less "I cannot believe you could make that bad decision" moments.[/QUOTE]I travel to Mexico almost monthly prior to Covid and resumed this year. In Feb I met a fantastic and beautiful 22-year old with a 2-month old baby. We hit it off. I really enjoyed her company as she taught me about her culture and language. It was platonic. I was her first SD and I did not want to convert her to a life of hooking. I helped her out quite a bit. The lass had no job. A baby. And stayed with her parents and sister and other family members in a small house.

On one occasion she took a photo of a sofa at store to show me. A few weeks later, the sofa appeared in the background of a photo of her parent's house. She had short sightedness and a belief that her "ATM" would continue to dispense. I had to ghost her.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2724984] She had short sightedness and a belief that her "ATM" would continue to dispense. I had to ghost her.[/QUOTE]The lack of foresight and constant bad decisions is mind-numbing.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2724791]Hey mongers. Zooming out a bit here as a relatively recent resident (and long time visitor). Some things are worth writing about to break mentions of all the same or similar places post after post. The fuck happened to exploring? I. e. Bangkok Noi has places for local mongers to play but Sukhumvit seems like the holy grail for all? Nobody even mentioning likes of Ratchatewi or Ratchaprop and the likes? Me for one, I'm all about the local grubby experience. If borderline illegal or obviously paying cops off, so much the better. #localMongering.

But okay lets go mainstream then and take a moment to meditate. After what was a grueling but successful 3 days of work, one has to appreciate working in downtown BKK and being able to take a walk to soi 8 and walking just past a few bars with cheap beer, past Lolitas and straight into Kasalong for a nice BJ session worth 800 B (fucking inflation. But CIM worth it when you need it, no? And walking out with balls empty and smile lit up to nearby bar for a nice cool pint of Asahi.

Then walking forward to Soi Nana for another beer in Stumble Inn (them soiside seats are hard to beat) and yet another in Blarney Stone while ladies in Plaza get tested for what-ever-the-police-fuck, all the while knowing partytime is just maybe an hour away. Soi 7/1 alive as ever, Soi 7 beer bars slowly coming alive and more spatious, and if you don't like all that there's Tilac in Soi Cowboy a short mototaxi / tuktuk ride away, or, if you're so inclined, a whole host of gay bars in Silom. Want your balls emptied a few more times? Fear not, soi 22 and 24 are not far either. Ladies in Thermae too, and so on. Its pussytown all over, covid bye bye, monkeypox schmonkeypox..[/QUOTE]What an entertaining report. So vividly described. It almost felt as if I were there with you, seeing the sights and smelling the smells. Luckily I will be there in less than a month's time!

Before I left BKK at the end of last week, I arranged to meet up again with my bushy friend (I posted some pics of her on 12 July). She was on her monthly cycle, but I was determined to meet her again before I left. Arrangements were made with the same mamasan, who brought the girl to meet me again.

I took the girl to the same s / t hotel that I took her to the first time, but the room attendant, a young lad, turned us away! He said because the girl had no ID he couldn't let us stay, I mentioned that we were there 2 weeks prior without any problem, but he insisted that we could not stay. I tried slipping him B500 but he wasn't interested.

So the girl phoned the mamasan and told her what had happened, and she gave the girl the address of another s / t hotel. We got in a taxi and headed off, it was only about a 5 minute drive. We had no problem at this new place and they gave us a room.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2724479]Thank you very much for the advice. I made another research and found a review from 2010 that the girl was 36 yo. Well, that concludes it.

Can anyone suggest a good looking girl, who can show me around for 2 days (as HorseTrader suggested) as well as be a good sex partner during that time?

I'm traveling through this forum's posts for some time, but since covid slammed the industry for a long period, things have changed and I can't tell if the older reports are relevant today.[/QUOTE]I would suggest you take a look at mythaitourguide: the big advantage is their pictures are usually recent and the girls who manage the bookings are reliable (as are all the escorts I have booked so far). For short time they are expensive but for long time the cost is more in line with the competition.

You can also send them a mail with your requests and see who they are suggesting.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2725205]Before I left BKK at the end of last week, I arranged to meet up again with my bushy friend (I posted some pics of her on 12 July). She was on her monthly cycle, but I was determined to meet her again before I left. Arrangements were made with the same mamasan, who brought the girl to meet me again.

I took the girl to the same s / t hotel that I took her to the first time, but the room attendant, a young lad, turned us away! He said because the girl had no ID he couldn't let us stay, I mentioned that we were there 2 weeks prior without any problem, but he insisted that we could not stay. I tried slipping him B500 but he wasn't interested.

So the girl phoned the mamasan and told her what had happened, and she gave the girl the address of another s / t hotel. We got in a taxi and headed off, it was only about a 5 minute drive. We had no problem at this new place and they gave us a room.[/QUOTE]There's probably a damn good reason she had no ID.

And it likely had nothing to do with her not being able to get one if she was Thai.

My first thoughts are she looks younger than 18.

My second thoughts are she doesn't look Thai.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2725205]Before I left BKK at the end of last week, I arranged to meet up again with my bushy friend (I posted some pics of her on 12 July). She was on her monthly cycle, but I was determined to meet her again before I left. Arrangements were made with the same mamasan, who brought the girl to meet me again.

I took the girl to the same s / t hotel that I took her to the first time, but the room attendant, a young lad, turned us away! He said because the girl had no ID he couldn't let us stay, I mentioned that we were there 2 weeks prior without any problem, but he insisted that we could not stay. I tried slipping him B500 but he wasn't interested.

So the girl phoned the mamasan and told her what had happened, and she gave the girl the address of another s / t hotel. We got in a taxi and headed off, it was only about a 5 minute drive. We had no problem at this new place and they gave us a room.[/QUOTE]The Gem of all Gems.

If post picture always put price paid. Something to discuss among the peanut gallery.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2724791]Hey mongers. Zooming out a bit here as a relatively recent resident (and long time visitor). Some things are worth writing about to break mentions of all the same or similar places post after post. The fuck happened to exploring? I. e. Bangkok Noi has places for local mongers to play but Sukhumvit seems like the holy grail for all? Nobody even mentioning likes of Ratchatewi or Ratchaprop and the likes? Me for one, I'm all about the local grubby experience. If borderline illegal or obviously paying cops off, so much the better. #localMongering.[/QUOTE]Great topic. I like exploring local places off the beaten path too (preferably on the cheap side). Unfortunately, such places have been in serious decline, most of them closed down or barely hanging on.

Ratchaprarop has the massage places of Pratunam, many of which offer extras, especially along Soi 8. Not my kind of scene. Chao Phraya 2, the huge soapy brothel, was torn down recently, with not a single brick remaining. Bossy "disco" closed many years ago. There used to be a few karaoke places towards Din Daeng interesction, not sure if they're still running.

Rachathewi? Was there ever have anything interesting in the area?

Two local areas still active are south of Rachadamnoen Road near Khok Wua intersection (not far from Khao San Road), as well as Wong Wian 22 traffic circle in Yaowarat area. Very downmarket, but interesting to take a look.

While 10 years ago there were a ton of interesting places to monger, I get a sense that the hooker scene is getting smaller and consolidating around Sukhumvit (and online, but that's a different story). Even some hookers who used to be in local areas are now on Sukhumvit in the evening.

What other places do you know about?

Anyone who can share the latest status of the bars in Soi Cowboy? Going back in a few weeks.

I was in BKK a few months ago, and it was pretty sad. Only a few bars were open, and both Baccara and Crazy House only had the second floor open. Looked completely dead from the outside, so you needed to know they were actually open. Crazy house still had nudity, but not that many girls, and certainly not as attractive as before.

Most other places on Cowboy only had outside bars open. Nana Plaza was pretty much the same, only a few gogo's open on the upper floors.

I kind of like Crazy House, because you see is what you get. Liked Tilac too, used to be weird but fun.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2725380]Anyone who can share the latest status of the bars in Soi Cowboy? Going back in a few weeks.

I was in BKK a few months ago, and it was pretty sad. Only a few bars were open, and both Baccara and Crazy House only had the second floor open. Looked completely dead from the outside, so you needed to know they were actually open. Crazy house still had nudity, but not that many girls, and certainly not as attractive as before.

Most other places on Cowboy only had outside bars open. Nana Plaza was pretty much the same, only a few gogo's open on the upper floors.

I kind of like Crazy House, because you see is what you get. Liked Tilac too, used to be weird but fun.[/QUOTE]When I was there at the beginning of July, Crazy House was nearly back to its former self. The action was concentrated on the ground floor (the first floor was empty) but the bar was packed with girls and customers. The rest of Soi Cowboy still looked sad in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2725380]Anyone who can share the latest status of the bars in Soi Cowboy? Going back in a few weeks.

I was in BKK a few months ago, and it was pretty sad. Only a few bars were open, and both Baccara and Crazy House only had the second floor open. Looked completely dead from the outside, so you needed to know they were actually open. Crazy house still had nudity, but not that many girls, and certainly not as attractive as before.

Most other places on Cowboy only had outside bars open. Nana Plaza was pretty much the same, only a few gogo's open on the upper floors.

I kind of like Crazy House, because you see is what you get. Liked Tilac too, used to be weird but fun.[/QUOTE]More and more places are open on Soi Cowboy now. I would guess 75 % are open on the inside and outside. Can be busy on Friday and Saturday but weekdays very slow.

Baccara opens ground and second floors on the busier nights. Crazy House is also busier than the other bars on most nights although I have noticed the better looking girls don't bar fine, they tend to just want lady drinks and of course push for the Tequilar and Coke 350 baht lady drink BS. Some nights the ladies are naked at Crazy, other nights they are in bikinis.

Tilac seems to have tons of ladies out front now. I have't been in this place since pre covid, it was a bit of a mess then with extra pushy staff and tons of coyotes rather than barfinable girls. I will check it out again soon.

The row of bars more or less opposite Tilac are probably still owned by the Arab and are to be avoided as they are all coyotes and will just want to sit and have expensive lady drinks all night and possibly pad your bill on top of that.

All in all most places are open now at Nana and Soi Cowboy. Each week there are more and more girls arriving although customers are still slow outside of Friday and Saturday night. It is slowly getting back to normal.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2725304]Great topic. I like exploring local places off the beaten path too (preferably on the cheap side). Unfortunately, such places have been in serious decline, most of them closed down or barely hanging on.

Ratchaprarop has the massage places of Pratunam, many of which offer extras, especially along Soi 8. Not my kind of scene. Chao Phraya 2, the huge soapy brothel, was torn down recently, with not a single brick remaining. Bossy "disco" closed many years ago. There used to be a few karaoke places towards Din Daeng interesction, not sure if they're still running.

Rachathewi? Was there ever have anything interesting in the area?

Two local areas still active are south of Rachadamnoen Road near Khok Wua intersection (not far from Khao San Road), as well as Wong Wian 22 traffic circle in Yaowarat area. Very downmarket, but interesting to take a look.

While 10 years ago there were a ton of interesting places to monger, I get a sense that the hooker scene is getting smaller and consolidating around Sukhumvit (and online, but that's a different story). Even some hookers who used to be in local areas are now on Sukhumvit in the evening.

What other places do you know about?[/QUOTE]Thanks, interesting few mapmarks to explore. Tried visiting Chinatown some time ago but probably missed the right roundabout.

Ratchatewi has NAKA massage. And even though it's just a HJ place, ladies know their business and it's cheap.

For other places, I'll just give a random example of a recent stopover in Bangkok noi. Took plugging in "erotic massage" and "soapy massage" in plain old google maps to find places in nearly any area of Bangkok. See for example at the intersection of Arun Amarin road and Somdet Phra Pin Klao road. I wonder how I'd search for it in thai, or where these places list for thai customers. That's the kind of place I want to see. Sure, it will probably be downmarket from soi 22/24 but it's about the whole experience not just the service, at least for me.

Great post. Winning choice, but I go crazy with translation, how do you manage it?

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2658394]In addition to Thaifriendly, there's also Thaiflirting. Totally free and no waiting around 10 minutes between sending messages.

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You're welcome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2725466]More and more places are open on Soi Cowboy now. I would guess 75 % are open on the inside and outside. Can be busy on Friday and Saturday but weekdays very slow.

Baccara opens ground and second floors on the busier nights. Crazy House is also busier than the other bars on most nights although I have noticed the better looking girls don't bar fine, they tend to just want lady drinks and of course push for the Tequilar and Coke 350 baht lady drink BS. Some nights the ladies are naked at Crazy, other nights they are in bikinis.

Tilac seems to have tons of ladies out front now. I have't been in this place since pre covid, it was a bit of a mess then with extra pushy staff and tons of coyotes rather than barfinable girls. I will check it out again soon.

The row of bars more or less opposite Tilac are probably still owned by the Arab and are to be avoided as they are all coyotes and will just want to sit and have expensive lady drinks all night and possibly pad your bill on top of that.

All in all most places are open now at Nana and Soi Cowboy. Each week there are more and more girls arriving although customers are still slow outside of Friday and Saturday night. It is slowly getting back to normal.[/QUOTE]I hope this doesn't indicate that Crazy House is going into the coyote business. Nude coyotes would be a bad thing for your wallet. It used to be certain that every girl in the bar was barfinable, but of course subject to the girl wanting to go with any specific customer. And yeah, last time I was there the the Tequila and Coke BS was still going on.

Nudity tended to be subject to the mood of the police on any given night.

In Tilac its always been a bit nutty, and a quite a few coyotes. But pre covid they were easy to tell apart since most of the barfinable girls weren't wearing any panties under their miniskirts, and they used to make sure you noticed. They would also be upfront about if you asked. I've had one of the most rowdy threesomes ever in Bangkok with a couple of girls from there. That was fun. Need to go back and check it out.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2725677]I hope this doesn't indicate that Crazy House is going into the coyote business. [/QUOTE]Things are still not back to normal, they are dysfunctional. Most bars are desperate for ladies. So you find a lot of agency girls brought in to fill the space. I have seen agency girls in most bars on cowboy and nana. Bacarra in cowboy and Billboard / Butterflies in Nana are probably the only clubs that seem to have enough recruiting power to not use agencies.

Many of these agency girls tend to want just drinks. If they are hotter than your average bar girl then they can do OK by not actually going with customers.

Another trend I have seen of late is that the bars instruct the girls that are barfineable to go to the closest short time hotel rather than back to your condo. This saves a ton of time and gets them back into the bar faster which keeps it fuller with girls.

The number of girls appearing in bars over the last month has been quite high, if this continues over the next 6 months I think things will be more normal.

In the mean time screening girls is so much more important. I used to be happy to buy a girl a drink and then start to screen her. Now I ask her if she is barfineable before I even buy the first drink and politely dismiss them if they say No. I will also ask them if they go to short time hotel or condo. If you do it in a joking / fun way you can ask them anything and they will be ok.

I personally dont have a problem with 3k short term if the lady is hot and has a good attitude but this would only be for back at condo where you can take more time and it is a more relaxed environment. I think 3k in a nearby short term hotel is a different experience and worth closer to 2k short term to me. It is much closer to just going to a soapy or massage place

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2725692]Things are still not back to normal, they are dysfunctional. Most bars are desperate for ladies. So you find a lot of agency girls brought in to fill the space. I have seen agency girls in most bars on cowboy and nana. Bacarra in cowboy and Billboard / Butterflies in Nana are probably the only clubs that seem to have enough recruiting power to not use agencies.

Many of these agency girls tend to want just drinks. If they are hotter than your average bar girl then they can do OK by not actually going with customers.

Another trend I have seen of late is that the bars instruct the girls that are barfineable to go to the closest short time hotel rather than back to your condo. This saves a ton of time and gets them back into the bar faster which keeps it fuller with girls.

The number of girls appearing in bars over the last month has been quite high, if this continues over the next 6 months I think things will be more normal.

In the mean time screening girls is so much more important. I used to be happy to buy a girl a drink and then start to screen her. Now I ask her if she is barfineable before I even buy the first drink and politely dismiss them if they say No. I will also ask them if they go to short time hotel or condo. If you do it in a joking / fun way you can ask them anything and they will be ok.

I personally dont have a problem with 3k short term if the lady is hot and has a good attitude but this would only be for back at condo where you can take more time and it is a more relaxed environment. I think 3k in a nearby short term hotel is a different experience and worth closer to 2k short term to me. It is much closer to just going to a soapy or massage place[/QUOTE]I agree with your observations and advice on screening girls for their willingness to barfine before buying them a drink. Unless you just want to buy a lot of 220 - 250+ baht Lady Drinks for nothing in terms of actual sex. Yes, that is the direction a lot of Bangkok go-go bars are going in terms of LD prices.

That is the price of LDs in the newly opened Tycoon o-go bar in the old Erotica Bar location halfway between the second level of Nana Plaza (Random Bar) and the third level (Boardwalk).

And as you said many girls are stubbornly holding to 3,000 baht for Short Time now. For me, that is when I introduce better service into the equation rather than continuing to try to get them down from 3,000 to 2,500 or 2,000:

Me: "3,000 for boom boom no condom is ok. ".

Her: "Hmmmm. Ok".

That works most of the time, but not always.

Paying a 500 baht or so "surcharge" over what continued tedious negotiation on price might have saved me in order to settle on BBFSCIP with the new girl of my choice before I even pay the barfine and walk hand in hand out of the bar to head to my room is money well spent in my humble opinion.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2724815]I think many Thai bargirls are addicted to exactly those things, "the constant alcohol consumption, late nights and unfamiliar clients". And to getting paid money for it. A lot of money.

Most I know could have gotten different jobs without those elements involved. But why? I honestly don't know any "poor" Thai prostitutes who must do things they hate because they have no choice. "Poor" by Thai standards, that is. The lousiest level of money they're getting for it still beats laundering hotel towels at 4 am or standing behind a hot street food cart in the weather for 10 hours a day. So that's a big part of why they do it.

Their lives before the bar life were boring unless they were hanging out with their girlfriends, the communal eating, drinking, flirting. They know very well their lives after the bar means they will now be the grandmas sitting at home with the babies.

There is a brief window of opportunity between the two for them to seize upon. Most Thai girls are too frightened to seize upon it. Bargirls are not. And many overstay their welcome.

It is an exhilarating experience for these otherwise ordinary (or less) looking and poorly educated Thai girls to be so openly catered to, tended to and paid attention to by relatively highly monied foreign men. And a game among them to see what they can get out of it.

That is a heady feeling of empowerment they have never felt until they started working at a bar and will never feel again when they hang it up. Makes it really difficult for some to hang it up.[/QUOTE]You put your finger on it. So many guys asking "Why does this messed up uneducated young woman who has spent years working in a degrading and dangerous business that is fueled by drugs, alcohol, male sexual urges and behind the scenes, violence and extortion, not make wise, sensible long-term decisions about her life?

Guys, if she had the ability to make sensible decisions about her life, she wouldn't be having sex with you.

We aren't white knights riding into these girls' lives offering them the sweet and happy domestic bliss (or two months of regular custom) they always wanted, we're part of the cynical cycle of abuse that they have gotten themselves into.

Why do we think Thai hookers are any different from the streetwalkers we see back home? Would we expect a crack-addicted girl with a life that went off the rails probably a decade or more ago and is now servicing obese truckers in the backs of their cabs to suddenly realize that one of these truckers is just the partner she needs to give her the few weeks of stability that she has always craved? Of course not, we would know they were damaged goods and use them for our own short-term gratification before walking away. Why does anyone think Thai bargirls are any different?

These girls are not in this business because they are poor and forced into it against their will, they chose this life, disabuse yourself of the notion of the poor fallen woman.

An Indian friend of mine was entertaining some business clients in a goldfish bar. Among the clients was a wide-eyed innocent American guy who said it was so sad that these poor women were forced by poverty into such a degrading life. My friend looked at the girls, all lined up in glamourous dresses, make-up, playing with their handphones sitting on benches for an hour or so before being summoned to provide perfunctory sex with a client. He said to the American "I run a textile factory, these are exactly the sort of women I employ, healthy young women with stamina. I pay a living wage, I run a clean, airconditioned, safe factory, but let's be clear, the work is eight hours of not very strenuous but very tedious work, and I have a huge turnover of staff. I barely have them trained up before they quit out of boredom".

He then challenged the American to speak to all the girls (he knew the manager and could arrange it) tell them they can escape their life of shame and get good honest moral work in the textile factory. He even offered a bonus of $100 for every girl he recruited and saved from this life of turpitude into which they had fallen. The American wisely did not take him up on the offer and conceded that indeed, they were there by free will and choice.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2725758]You put your finger on it. So many guys asking "Why does this messed up uneducated young woman who has spent years working in a degrading and dangerous business that is fueled by drugs, alcohol, male sexual urges and behind the scenes, violence and extortion, not make wise, sensible long-term decisions about her life?

Guys, if she had the ability to make sensible decisions about her life, she wouldn't be having sex with you.

We aren't white knights riding into these girls' lives offering them the sweet and happy domestic bliss (or two months of regular custom) they always wanted, we're part of the cynical cycle of abuse that they have gotten themselves into.

Why do we think Thai hookers are any different from the streetwalkers we see back home? Would we expect a crack-addicted girl with a life that went off the rails probably a decade or more ago and is now servicing obese truckers in the backs of their cabs to suddenly realize that one of these truckers is just the partner she needs to give her the few weeks of stability that she has always craved? Of course not, we would know they were damaged goods and use them for our own short-term gratification before walking away. Why does anyone think Thai bargirls are any different?

These girls are not in this business because they are poor and forced into it against their will, they chose this life, disabuse yourself of the notion of the poor fallen woman.

An Indian friend of mine was entertaining some business clients in a goldfish bar. Among the clients was a wide-eyed innocent American guy who said it was so sad that these poor women were forced by poverty into such a degrading life. My friend looked at the girls, all lined up in glamourous dresses, make-up, playing with their handphones sitting on benches for an hour or so before being summoned to provide perfunctory sex with a client. He said to the American "I run a textile factory, these are exactly the sort of women I employ, healthy young women with stamina. I pay a living wage, I run a clean, airconditioned, safe factory, but let's be clear, the work is eight hours of not very strenuous but very tedious work, and I have a huge turnover of staff. I barely have them trained up before they quit out of boredom".

He then challenged the American to speak to all the girls (he knew the manager and could arrange it) tell them they can escape their life of shame and get good honest moral work in the textile factory. He even offered a bonus of $100 for every girl he recruited and saved from this life of turpitude into which they had fallen. The American wisely did not take him up on the offer and conceded that indeed, they were there by free will and choice.[/QUOTE]Your response is so full of assumptions, contradictions and put downs.

So much so that your valid points are lost in your sense of moral superiority.

Most bar girls are not lost in a cynical cycle of abuse, they are lost in.

They are also not there because they are incapable of making sensible decisions.

And they are most definitely different to your streetwalkers back home, let alone crack addicted as you put it.

They are there most often because they did make serious decisions about their family financial security and how it can best be achieved.

Yes, they live a hard lifestyle, and they know it, but they also very often know why there are doing it.

I would suggest that if you've said this and believe it to be true, then you have little to no understanding of Thai familial culture that is instilled in these girls.

And which drives their decision making, sensibly for them.

Have you read anything on Thai culture, or are your views still stuck with those formed having read Private Dancer?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2725758]Why do we think Thai hookers are any different from the streetwalkers we see back home? Would we expect a crack-addicted girl with a life that went off the rails probably a decade or more ago and is now servicing obese truckers in the backs of their cabs to suddenly realize that one of these truckers is just the partner she needs to give her the few weeks of stability that she has always craved? Of course not, we would know they were damaged goods and use them for our own short-term gratification before walking away. Why does anyone think Thai bargirls are any different?[/QUOTE]Because, in the not so distant past, most of them have been genuinely different than the outcast hookers back home. Some of them still are, but they're few in numbers these days, so the gap is narrowing.

Pattaya and Bangkok used to be full of more or less normal village girls you could have a decent relationship with. Could last for weeks, months, years, maybe even forever. Most of them started hooking out of necessity, and 10+ years ago the situation was dire for many. Wages in the 4000-5000 baht per month range were common, and one could barely survive on that, let alone take care of a child or aging parents.

Thai prostitutes were so normal and decent that mongers often went as far as to marry them, and many of those relationships succeeded. We mostly hear about the failures, since few people in a happy marriage are blabbing about their beloved wife having been a hooker.

Try that with a hooker back home. Even if they aren't on crack, you generally want those types out of your life right after you nut, and it would be inconceivable even to take them for a "long time", let alone get involved for weeks or months.

Sadly, this is happening to Thai hookers as well, "long time" is becoming a thing of the past. Marrying a bar girl is far less common these days, since they're more or less dregs willingly stuck in a vicious cycle you described, so not many guys would consider it.

As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture.

As Thailand is very much based on a Hierarchical Society. The chances of a lady from Isan, which is one of the poorest and lowest standing regions, meeting and marrying a wealthy white Thai man from a higher society Bangkok family would be rare. So the best chance of a lady from Isan is to marry a foreigner. Foreigners don't really care about the Hierarchical structure of Thai society. As long as she is hot that is alll we care about it.

Virtually every foreigner will have a relationship with a woman from Isan. It is so common that an industry within Isan has developed around this. There are several facebook groups with 100,000's + members all about how to have a relationship with foreigners, how to get money out of a foreigner, how to take advantage of a foreigner etc Every possible subject both good and bad can found within some group on the net. Even a new woman arriving in Bangkok will have some or even quite detailed knowledge about how to get the most out of her transactions with foreign men. The days where it would take new arrivals months or even a year to become wise to the little tricks are way gone. They pick it up in days now. Adding to this they will have their family back home reminding them on a daily basis how to extract resources for the collective from a farang.

I had a Thai GF for about a year and of course her family was from Isan. Everytime she would go back she would get shown all the big houses or farm extensions that foreigners had purchased in her vaillage for the family. Her mother used to ask her all the time "where is my house". If you have a Thai GF you are assumed to be part of their collective and are expected to contribute. As I did not have any intention of sticking with this particular girl for too long I just used to send a relatively small amount to the family and then just ignore the rest of the requests. My good little college girl from Isan turned out to be a nightmare after a year when she finally realised that she would be better off with another foreigner.

They move on very quickly and they always have a few options worked out before they go. They will also try to keep past boyfriends on the hook. They like to have a portfolio of options to maximise their chances of getting that house in Isan for mama.

As a foreigner I will never truly understand the intricate nature of Thai Culture. My overall strategy is to protect myself. Contribute a little to a girlfriends family and dodge the big ticket items. As a foreigner we never really get any credit from something contributed anyway.

Thai Bar Girl's Priorities List: (humour yes, but illustrative none the less).

1. Money.

2. Gold.

3. Food.

4. Sleeping.

5. Child or children.

6. Watching TV.

7. Grandparents, mother, father.

8. Her Thai boyfriend or husband, siblings and other family members.

9. Monks and temples.

10. Thai friends.

11. Every other Thai person in the world, down to the lowest Bangkok beggar.

12. The family buffalo.

13. Her pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

14. The fleas on the pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

15. You.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2726070]As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture.

As Thailand is very much based on a Hierarchical Society. The chances of a lady from Isan, which is one of the poorest and lowest standing regions, meeting and marrying a wealthy white Thai man from a higher society Bangkok family would be rare. So the best chance of a lady from Isan is to marry a foreigner. Foreigners don't really care about the Hierarchical structure of Thai society. As long as she is hot that is alll we care about it.

Virtually every foreigner will have a relationship with a woman from Isan. It is so common that an industry within Isan has developed around this. There are several facebook groups with 100,000's + members all about how to have a relationship with foreigners, how to get money out of a foreigner, how to take advantage of a foreigner etc Every possible subject both good and bad can found within some group on the net. Even a new woman arriving in Bangkok will have some or even quite detailed knowledge about how to get the most out of her transactions with foreign men. The days where it would take new arrivals months or even a year to become wise to the little tricks are way gone. They pick it up in days now. Adding to this they will have their family back home reminding them on a daily basis how to extract resources for the collective from a farang.[/QUOTE]Harsh, way too harsh.

Your bitterness is still way to recent.

Tho there is a lot of very factual comments made.

The order you've listed things I would change tho.

Gold is not #1.

The desire for gold is a byproduct of their needing to satisfy their true #1, which to me is your #7, maternal grandmother, aka, the top of the hierarchy.

When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2725793]Your response is so full of assumptions, contradictions and put downs.

So much so that your valid points are lost in your sense of moral superiority.

Most bar girls are not lost in a cynical cycle of abuse, they are lost in.

They are also not there because they are incapable of making sensible decisions.

And they are most definitely different to your streetwalkers back home, let alone crack addicted as you put it.

They are there most often because they did make serious decisions about their family financial security and how it can best be achieved.

Yes, they live a hard lifestyle, and they know it, but they also very often know why there are doing it.

I would suggest that if you've said this and believe it to be true, then you have little to no understanding of Thai familial culture that is instilled in these girls.

And which drives their decision making, sensibly for them.

Have you read anything on Thai culture, or are your views still stuck with those formed having read Private Dancer?[/QUOTE]I know enough about Asian hookers and the guys who believe they can become their white saviours to spot naivety and western-centric assumptions I see them. I have been round the block often enough to know what I am talking about.

No one is rescuing fallen women here, only fools believe that.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2725793]Your response is so full of assumptions, contradictions and put downs.

So much so that your valid points are lost in your sense of moral superiority.

[/QUOTE]Living in Thailand before, and during that time having had relationships with girls ranging from masseuse girls too college girls to more than one doctor, I think Hilo77's post was very good and accurate. I did not at all notice any feeling of moral superiority, and his indian friend is spot on too.

Hi, will be travelling to BKK soon and was wondering if anyone can share a nice massage parlor, that offer really good massage with extra services?

Many time when you go to the cheap massage places, the massage is really average and even sometime very poor, but the extra is good. I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2725205]Before I left BKK at the end of last week, I arranged to meet up again with my bushy friend...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2725259]The Gem of all Gems.

If post picture always put price paid. Something to discuss among the peanut gallery.[/QUOTE]When I lived in Bkk pre 2019, and arranged with the mamasan to meet a girl, the arrangement was that I would give the girl B2,500 (always after the deed), and that would include the mamasan's commission which would be passed on to her by the girl.

This time the mamasan said the fee for this new girl was a bit more, B3,500, but I was happy with that. Again, that fee included the commission for the mamasan.

As the girl didn't work in the bar, there was no barfine to pay.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2726119]I think Hilo77's post was very good and accurate. I did not at all notice any feeling of moral superiority, and his indian friend is spot on too.[/QUOTE]Except the Indian's friend story looked more like a story that came straight out of a book.

Just over three weeks till my first visit in three years.

Last time I met ladies via several sources- some normal girls who fucked for free, found on Tinder, wechat and such; some on an adult sex site, and a few P4P via apps and streetwalkers.

Over a few weeks I've been cultivating some cuties from Tinder and TF who have regular decent jobs and who will hopefully be up for some action after a day at the office.

During my last two trips I didn't enter a gogo once. Not sure it will be different this time. I'm put off by the music and the potential to get ripped off. I might have a wander in.

Maybe too I'll drop in to the Beer Garden and check out some milfs.

Interesting to read about the prices being typically asked for ST and LT now.

A few FLs on TF have quoted 1500ST and 3000 LT, which seem reasonable considering their fuckability.

Will return to post reports.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2726070]As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture.

As Thailand is very much based on a Hierarchical Society. The chances of a lady from Isan, which is one of the poorest and lowest standing regions, meeting and marrying a wealthy white Thai man from a higher society Bangkok family would be rare. So the best chance of a lady from Isan is to marry a foreigner. Foreigners don't really care about the Hierarchical structure of Thai society. As long as she is hot that is alll we care about it.

Virtually every foreigner will have a relationship with a woman from Isan. It is so common that an industry within Isan has developed around this. There are several facebook groups with 100,000's + members all about how to have a relationship with foreigners, how to get money out of a foreigner, how to take advantage of a foreigner etc Every possible subject both good and bad can found within some group on the net. Even a new woman arriving in Bangkok will have some or even quite detailed knowledge about how to get the most out of her transactions with foreign men. The days where it would take new arrivals months or even a year to become wise to the little tricks are way gone. They pick it up in days now. Adding to this they will have their family back home reminding them on a daily basis how to extract resources for the collective from a farang.

I had a Thai GF for about a year and of course her family was from Isan. Everytime she would go back she would get shown all the big houses or farm extensions that foreigners had purchased in her vaillage for the family. Her mother used to ask her all the time "where is my house". If you have a Thai GF you are assumed to be part of their collective and are expected to contribute. As I did not have any intention of sticking with this particular girl for too long I just used to send a relatively small amount to the family and then just ignore the rest of the requests. My good little college girl from Isan turned out to be a nightmare after a year when she finally realised that she would be better off with another foreigner.

They move on very quickly and they always have a few options worked out before they go. They will also try to keep past boyfriends on the hook. They like to have a portfolio of options to maximise their chances of getting that house in Isan for mama.

As a foreigner I will never truly understand the intricate nature of Thai Culture. My overall strategy is to protect myself. Contribute a little to a girlfriends family and dodge the big ticket items. As a foreigner we never really get any credit from something contributed anyway.

Thai Bar Girl's Priorities List: (humour yes, but illustrative none the less).

1. Money.

2. Gold.

3. Food.

4. Sleeping.

5. Child or children.

6. Watching TV.

7. Grandparents, mother, father.

8. Her Thai boyfriend or husband, siblings and other family members.

9. Monks and temples.

10. Thai friends.

11. Every other Thai person in the world, down to the lowest Bangkok beggar.

12. The family buffalo.

13. Her pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

14. The fleas on the pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

15. You.[/QUOTE]Very valid points I think.

The problem is the Foreigners are not going for HOT Isan babes.

All I see is Opposite of Hot.

It's the reason my poor Thai buddies jaw drop everytime the topic comes up.

Dutch man have many money but they marry dark, old, multi babies bargirl they say.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2726094]Harsh, way too harsh.

Your bitterness is still way to recent.

Tho there is a lot of very factual comments made.

The order you've listed things I would change tho.

Gold is not #1.

The desire for gold is a byproduct of their needing to satisfy their true #1, which to me is your #7, maternal grandmother, aka, the top of the hierarchy.

When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have a Captain Save a Ho mentality. Guess what? These girls don't give a flying F about you or any other farang, they want your money and they use their bodies to extract it from you, if you naively want to believe otherwise, you're going to pay for it with your wallet and get screwed over. As a farang, go there with a mentality that this is a business transaction, because that's exactly what it is for the girls, even the ones you think are 'dating' you. Personally, I stick to ST and have never dated a girl there. But to each their own.

[QUOTE=Bongo2577;2726123]Hi, will be travelling to BKK soon and was wondering if anyone can share a nice massage parlor, that offer really good massage with extra services?

Many time when you go to the cheap massage places, the massage is really average and even sometime very poor, but the extra is good. I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Choose one.

You're misunderstanding something. There are two places, somewhere you get a good massage or somewhere you get a good fuck. Some massage parlors offer extras, but that's not their thing, its massages. Some places are to fuck, and maybe the girl gives you a massage during downtime.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2726094]Harsh, way too harsh.

Your bitterness is still way to recent.

Tho there is a lot of very factual comments made.

The order you've listed things I would change tho.

Gold is not #1.

The desire for gold is a byproduct of their needing to satisfy their true #1, which to me is your #7, maternal grandmother, aka, the top of the hierarchy.

When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.[/QUOTE]The list is meant to be humour, it is not meant to be taken litterally, but there is a meaure of truth to the overall theme.

I have used WeChat off and on in various places (Pattaya, Patong, Bangkok) because I like the look around function and it is quick and easy. Maybe because WeChat is used primarily by Chinese speakers the demographic of the girls who use it and their expectations are different than TF. Six months ago WeChat was overrun by LB and you had to be sure to do a video call before every meeting to listen to the voice and to have a look to see if the pictures looked anything like the person. More recently, though, the quality has improved and the girls' status has become more informative. Over the last few weeks I had two surprises that may be indicative of a trend. The first was a cute but slightly plump girl who came to my room for a massage. I was tired and she assured me that she really could do massage, so I invited her over. She was great at massage. As good as at the better shops. She put a silk cloth over my face during the massage and, after the flip, asked if I wanted FS. Of course I said yes. She started teasing and rubbing and asked if I had a condom. I said I didn't but there were some in the room minibar. She said OK but then slipped me inside. My face was covered and I thought she had covered me. But instead it was BBCIP. I should have known but it was a surprise (a very good one). Of course I have met her twice since then. The other is a girl who was small and cute but her pictures showed her 10 years ago instead of today. I enjoyed my brief video conversation with her so I invited her over anyway. She gave a short and not very good massage before covering me up and riding cowgirl. The condom she used was awful. So I told her to take it off and that a BJ would be fine. She took off the condom, said she wanted me inside, and off we went, BBCIP. Neither girl asked for an additional fee for BBCIP. Maybe its a coincidence or maybe it is something else, but WeChat may be a good option to look for BBCIP.

[QUOTE=Bongo2577;2726123]I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.[/QUOTE]I ain't never seen anything like this before, sorry. Anywhere decent is strictly massage only.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2726239]Sounds like you have a Captain Save a Ho mentality. Guess what? These girls don't give a flying F about you or any other farang, they want your money and they use their bodies to extract it from you, if you naively want to believe otherwise, you're going to pay for it with your wallet and get screwed over. As a farang, go there with a mentality that this is a business transaction, because that's exactly what it is for the girls, even the ones you think are 'dating' you. Personally, I stick to ST and have never dated a girl there. But to each their own.[/QUOTE]Ahhh Caliguy.

How self deluded you are.

Whilst you remain a frequent visiting "TOURIST", that is all you will see and experience, aka the bad side of Thai women, because that's all they get from you.

Many many many Thai women care about Farangs very very much.

There are as many success stories as there are horror stories.

But guess what, happy people don't go out shouting about it anywhere near as loud or as often as unhappy people ***** and moan.

Take the time to live on the inside of LOS and you might have a rethink, tho I doubt it.

If not, continue as you put it, to visit there, play with ho's, have business transactions, use their bodies, etc. , and continue to be treated like just what you are, a "John".

That's why you likely get treated as shit, because you are the john they get crap from respect wise, so they just go and crap back on you.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2726108]I know enough about Asian hookers and the guys who believe they can become their white saviours to spot naivety and western-centric assumptions I see them. I have been round the block often enough to know what I am talking about.

No one is rescuing fallen women here, only fools believe that.[/QUOTE]Western centric assumptions, that sounds like you're talking about yourself again.

"Asian hookers", "white saviours", "fallen women".

Really?

Do all your western centric prejudices and moral sense of superiority pop out so easily?

Or have you been screwed over making bad judgements when visiting and punting in Asia one time too many?

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2726314]Choose one.

You're misunderstanding something. There are two places, somewhere you get a good massage or somewhere you get a good fuck. Some massage parlors offer extras, but that's not their thing, its massages. Some places are to fuck, and maybe the girl gives you a massage during downtime.[/QUOTE]I'd disagree on that. There are places which can offer both but it's a rare find as usually one or the other is crap. Also, depends on whether a fellow monger enjoys fucking vs. Cumming. Two might be very closely related but I for one prefer HJ / BJ as it's easier to arrange, less worry about condoms or CIP and always less negotiations.

Best experience so far though a bit pricey for me was in Analisa massage. Unfortunately forgot the lady's name but she could massage and handle dick like a champ (and do amazing rimming too). I have also tried another lady in Analisa which was so shit to the point I actually complained to manager via LINE after.

It's a hit and miss but once you find, it's gold.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2726221]Very valid points I think.

The problem is the Foreigners are not going for HOT Isan babes.

All I see is Opposite of Hot.

It's the reason my poor Thai buddies jaw drop everytime the topic comes up.

Dutch man have many money but they marry dark, old, multi babies bargirl they say.[/QUOTE]On topic of dark but not-so-old and no-baby, any tips on where? For some reason all bars seem to prefer light skinned ladies, and I, for one, prefer the darker Isan, which seems to be a wee bit hard to find.

Like many of you, I'm planning a long-awaited return to SE Asia for late September / early October and I've been eagerly following all the recent reports here and it sounds like my timing might be pretty good. Things hopefully open enough that there are plenty of options, but not yet fully jam-packed with tourists everywhere as they were pre-pandemic.

I'm by no means a BKK expert, only been a small handful of times and usually just a day or two here and there, as often as not with family so I haven't had much opportunity to really explore. I do know that GoGo bars are absolutely not my thing, so I'm wondering about alternatives in the post-COVID world. I recall Spasso was an option for "higher end" (intentional quotes!) ladies several years ago, and I did have some great luck there one evening back in the day. I've also successfully fished the pond at Thermae, and have had good luck even with Smooci escorts (both independent and agency).

Are there other options now, or any new venues to check out? Also probably a dumb question, but is it safe to assume the ladies at the non-GoGo bars around Nana and Soi Cowboy are all working and available? I can't say I've had any experience with them, but it would seem like that could be a good hunting ground for a gentleman with my preference for *anything* but GoGo bars.

Thanks and I will of course report back!

[QUOTE=Pacito;2725527]Great post. Winning choice, but I go crazy with translation, how do you manage it?[/QUOTE]I'd echo this. Some of the auto-google translations are weird.

'Fresh focus on spray'?

'Licking sister' and 'I can't lick it'? Does the first mean DITY ok but not BJ. ?

"Break the body" ? Or 'break up' ?

I do like the translation 'cuddle medicine' though LOL.

And when added to Line, some auto load the rates, and location, which often seems to be cheap hotels and residences just east of the Don Muang toll way road.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2726578]Like many of you, I'm planning a long-awaited return to SE Asia for late September / early October and I've been eagerly following all the recent reports here and it sounds like my timing might be pretty good. Things hopefully open enough that there are plenty of options, but not yet fully jam-packed with tourists everywhere as they were pre-pandemic.

I'm by no means a BKK expert, only been a small handful of times and usually just a day or two here and there, as often as not with family so I haven't had much opportunity to really explore. I do know that GoGo bars are absolutely not my thing, so I'm wondering about alternatives in the post-COVID world. I recall Spasso was an option for "higher end" (intentional quotes!) ladies several years ago, and I did have some great luck there one evening back in the day. I've also successfully fished the pond at Thermae, and have had good luck even with Smooci escorts (both independent and agency).

Are there other options now, or any new venues to check out? Also probably a dumb question, but is it safe to assume the ladies at the non-GoGo bars around Nana and Soi Cowboy are all working and available? I can't say I've had any experience with them, but it would seem like that could be a good hunting ground for a gentleman with my preference for *anything* but GoGo bars.

Thanks and I will of course report back![/QUOTE]Try Soi 7 Beer garden, freelancers, Massage parlors Soi 33 and Soi 22 and soi 24 and others, Thai Friendly, and of course Tinder.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2726094]When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.[/QUOTE]I discussed gold with my Isan FL yesterday. She wears a gold ring and gold pendant and she confirmed what you said.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2726070]As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture..[/QUOTE]Boys, I've been at this for almost 40 years and the is the best post I have seen in a long time. Should be mandatory reading.

Let me put it this way: She doesn't love you, she loves your wallet. Old guys know that.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2726788]I discussed gold with my Isan FL yesterday. She wears a gold ring and gold pendant and she confirmed what you said.[/QUOTE]The lady I am with today is constantly pawning her gold rings, and then recovering them. The number of gold rings she wears is an indication of her current financial status.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2726788]I discussed gold with my Isan FL yesterday. She wears a gold ring and gold pendant and she confirmed what you said.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that.

I have lived and worked here for a while now, so I have picked up on the Isaan girl mentality and demands.

I don't even try to fully understand the cultural nuances and why, I just accept they are there.

As well as living here, I work here, and thankfully that means I stay away mostly from the harder edged places, Bangkok, Pattaya and even Patong.

I live south in Phuket, Rawai, and we see here a different mix of the types of working girls.

I like to say that we see a softer type, so you learn more, before you get killed.

And, I'm not single, being 4 years into a relationship with an Isaan ex bargirl, tho such for a very short period, who is some 30 plus years younger than me.

It has worked, and is still working, and has morphed also into a professional business career relationship for both of us.

And you know what, I am not unique around here, there are many many many similar successful pairings.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2726978]Boys, I've been at this for almost 40 years and the is the best post I have seen in a long time. Should be mandatory reading.

Let me put it this way: She doesn't love you, she loves your wallet. Old guys know that.[/QUOTE]And you misread again what MaxBKK said.

She can love you, and will, fully, but you have to take on and work out how to help her with her continual financial family commitments as part of the deal.

If you can do that, and willingly, she will love you unconditionally.

If you can't do that, and see her loving your money more, then just walk on by, as she will be forever torn.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2726557]On topic of dark but not-so-old and no-baby, any tips on where? For some reason all bars seem to prefer light skinned ladies, and I, for one, prefer the darker Isan, which seems to be a wee bit hard to find.[/QUOTE]Head out of Bangkok, they do not go there.

Bangkok HiSo Thais and Asians chase and prize light skin, so that is what is predominantly there.

You will find Pattaya has them, but older and often baby damage already.

Hua Hin has what you seek, as does Phuket away from Patong.

Hi,

First post ever. Very experienced with USA and some experience in Europe Mongering and Puntering. Ha ha.

I like a different kind of thing that most of you. I'll describe it. Then, can you guys tell me my best bet for trying to do this in Bangkok? In the States it's soooo easy to do this but I don't know where to get started in Bangkok since it's all about "short time" and numbers of pops here.

What I like: just getting teased for extended periods of time. I'm good with hands only even. Edging. That type of thing. In the States, it's easy. I find girls that appreciate the easy nature of my kink and pay less per hour because it's so damn easy for them. I usually go like 4-6 hours. I find sugar babies mostly for this. They understand it more than high dollar escorts. I also go for crazy attractive / hot / thin / young ones. Breast implants a plus actually for me.

Basically what I do in the United States is a contact them online and then set up everything through text first so there are no surprises. The cost is figured out, everything is figured out in great detail. And it's really easy when we meet.

So how can I find the right type of girls for this in Thailand? I'm here for a month, but if I just do this trial and error trying go go bars, street girls, agencies, massage parlors, Thai friendly, freelancers, etc. Etc. I am liable to waste three weeks before I can figure out how to get this to work.

What do you think my best bet is? For finding girls like this in Bangkok? And Pattaya?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Bongo2577;2726123]Hi, will be travelling to BKK soon and was wondering if anyone can share a nice massage parlor, that offer really good massage with extra services?

Many time when you go to the cheap massage places, the massage is really average and even sometime very poor, but the extra is good. I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Historically, I would have agreed with the posters who say that good massages are not combined with good extras. That has been the history of my decades of experiences. But in April, I got an excellent massage with very good BBBJ and CFS at a place on Sukhumvit 7/1. Sorry that I cannot remember the name of the spa or the name of the girl. The spa was about half way down the Soi on the left. It's one where they take you up an elevator and they have a few large rooms with attached shower and toilet rooms. The rooms actually have hotel like furniture. Maybe somebody can figure the name based on that description.

My girl claimed early 30's, was skinny, strong muscle tone, short height with long, lightened, curly hair. Sleazy look. Strong English skills and excellent massage and sexual technique to match the best. She had a way of using one kind of lube inside her and a different kind inside the condom. She carefully selected the condom to match my size. This was CFS that rivaled BBFSCIP. The massage was so good that I considered going back for just the massage.

Unicorn.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2726557]On topic of dark but not-so-old and no-baby, any tips on where? For some reason all bars seem to prefer light skinned ladies, and I, for one, prefer the darker Isan, which seems to be a wee bit hard to find.[/QUOTE]Leave your comfort zone and go to Isaan. Hit a few markets and local places. "You have Thai lady?" will ring in your ears.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2727238]And you misread again what MaxBKK said.

She can love you, and will, fully, but you have to take on and work out how to help her with her continual financial family commitments as part of the deal.

If you can do that, and willingly, she will love you unconditionally.

If you can't do that, and see her loving your money more, then just walk on by, as she will be forever torn.[/QUOTE]I stand by my proposition. But I'm glad your relationship is successful.

So, I went to rakuten twice and took services of healing hands once. So my quick review here.

Rakuten is as described by OPs earlier. It's a legit massage with some / minimal fun. No teasing though really. I didn't take the cheap Thai massage, so they didn't give me the weird underwear to wear (my friend went to that one and he was weirded out, also because it wasn't room, there was just a partition). I took the 2 HR long oil massage (800 b) in a private room with shower. I was naked the whole session. At some point, she asked me whether I wanted to HJ. I said not now, towards the end. So that happened. It was okay. I paid 1000 be for extra (maybe too much, but I felt like giving).

The downside, both the times, the masseuse were not good looking. I did see some young nice ones downstairs, but you don't get to choose so I got what I got. But it was dark in the room, so it was ok. I was able to be a bit touchyfeeling, but they did not remove their clothes, so it wasn't much.

The massage both the times were really good.

The healing hands was a bit tricky. They do home service, so I had to ask if they have a place. They invited me to a hotel room where it was set up as a temp massage room. The massage was not that great, but she did do a bit of teasing. She got lazy with massage at some point though. Asked me if I wanted more and started negotiating. She looked pretty, if a bit old. I wouldn't go back again. Paid 2200 be in total, including massage and extras.

*I am still on a lookout for legit good massage with some extra fun (ideally a bit more teasing; price no issue). I haven't tried Savannah. I really hoped some girls at healthland would do it. Alas. *.

Sidenote: isn't there a forum for farangs where we can review / learn about kapoo clubs. I went to two. Want to know about more.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2726557]On topic of dark but not-so-old and no-baby, any tips on where? For some reason all bars seem to prefer light skinned ladies, and I, for one, prefer the darker Isan, which seems to be a wee bit hard to find.[/QUOTE]Book a trip to Khon Kaen. The (modern) edge of Isaan land.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2727398]I stand by my proposition. But I'm glad your relationship is successful.[/QUOTE]I think Mr Thai doesn't understand English too good.

Bangkok and Pattaya are full of Dark skin. What's all this go Issan? The Darks come to you.

I did note pretty was not a requirement.

EZ peasy BRO.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2727237]Thanks for that.

I have lived and worked here for a while now, so I have picked up on the Isaan girl mentality and demands.

I don't even try to fully understand the cultural nuances and why, I just accept they are there.

As well as living here, I work here, and thankfully that means I stay away mostly from the harder edged places, Bangkok, Pattaya and even Patong.

I live south in Phuket, Rawai, and we see here a different mix of the types of working girls.

I like to say that we see a softer type, so you learn more, before you get killed.

And, I'm not single, being 4 years into a relationship with an Isaan ex bargirl, tho such for a very short period, who is some 30 plus years younger than me.

It has worked, and is still working, and has morphed also into a professional business career relationship for both of us.

And you know what, I am not unique around here, there are many many many similar successful pairings.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply. I'm leaving Samui now and will stay in Patong (5th time) but after reading your post I think I will check out Rawai. Is my Patong hotel too far from Rawai or should I get a hotel in Rawai?

"30 plus years younger than me." You are my hero!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2727398]I stand by my proposition. But I'm glad your relationship is successful.[/QUOTE]Needs to explain more.

30 year younger ex bargirl business relationship. What is going on?

[QUOTE=Bongo2577;2726123]Hi, will be travelling to BKK soon and was wondering if anyone can share a nice massage parlor, that offer really good massage with extra services?

Many time when you go to the cheap massage places, the massage is really average and even sometime very poor, but the extra is good. I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Let me give you a possible recommendation. The woman is not by any means attractive unless you're into the "BBW" look, but she gives a very good massage, and she followed it by a very good deepthroat BJ (just keep your eyes closed) that included rimming in my case (perhaps since I asked to use the shower before my massage).

I had just exited a BJ bar and walked a bit further down the street looking to find a good Thai massage for some further relaxation. I've had a lot of Thai massages over the years, so I think I know what is bad, mediocre, and good, and this was a very good massage worthy of returning for. Given her looks and me just having exited a BJ bar two minutes earlier, I was not planning on anything more than a massage, but while the small 24 year old and reasonably attractive BJ girl spent 30 minutes before I ejaculated into her mouth, this big massage woman had me shooting into her mouth within 10 minutes. Didn't mention anything about money beforehand, but held her hand out discretely while I was walking down afterwards and I slipped her a 1000 baht note which seemed to satisfy her.

I'm thinking FS would be easily available too if logistics allow and you want that. My Thai massage was in a big shared room with curtains between the mattresses, so unless you're the only customer at the time, FS would not be available there, but possibly they have private rooms too, though I did not see any.

Shop is "Top Thai massage and spa 2" on Sukhumvit 33, about 500 meters down the road on the right side. Name of woman is Rin, pronounced "Riiiin".

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2727526]Thank you for your reply. I'm leaving Samui now and will stay in Patong (5th time) but after reading your post I think I will check out Rawai. Is my Patong hotel too far from Rawai or should I get a hotel in Rawai?

"30 plus years younger than me." You are my hero![/QUOTE]If you properly want to see Rawai, then yes its best to stay there for the night, Patong is a 30-40 minute travel at night.

Travel down in the afternoon, book into a hotel, then check out the massage shop action into early evening, then eat.

Then hit Gilbis / Banana / Bank bar area around 8 pm, then if still looking hit Laguna at 10 pm, and Club Zhou opens at midnight.

Head back to Patong early the next afternoon.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2727570]Let me give you a possible recommendation. The woman is not by any means attractive unless you're into the "BBW" look, but she gives a very good massage, and she followed it by a very good deepthroat BJ (just keep your eyes closed) that included rimming in my case (perhaps since I asked to use the shower before my massage).
Shop is "Top Thai massage and spa 2" on Sukhumvit 33, about 500 meters down the road on the right side. Name of woman is Rin, pronounced "Riiiin".[/QUOTE]I wonder if the woman is the very famous Rin known long ago for ball massages?

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2727237]Thanks for that.

I have lived and worked here for a while now, so I have picked up on the Isaan girl mentality and demands.

I don't even try to fully understand the cultural nuances and why, I just accept they are there.

As well as living here, I work here, and thankfully that means I stay away mostly from the harder edged places, Bangkok, Pattaya and even Patong.

I live south in Phuket, Rawai, and we see here a different mix of the types of working girls.

I like to say that we see a softer type, so you learn more, before you get killed.

And, I'm not single, being 4 years into a relationship with an Isaan ex bargirl, tho such for a very short period, who is some 30 plus years younger than me.

It has worked, and is still working, and has morphed also into a professional business career relationship for both of us.

And you know what, I am not unique around here, there are many many many similar successful pairings.[/QUOTE]You consider being in relationships with ex-bar girls as successful relationships? LOL. That tells me everything, the standards are so damn low.

OK.

I guess I didn't ask the right question or didn't ask it correctly. Or gave too many details. Sorry about that. I was hoping somebody could help me figure this out. I am not used to the culture here.

At home in the United States, I get way, way hotter girls than I'm finding in Bangkok. The girls here seem really old and if they are not old they seem really lazy. As you can see from my previous post, I don't even ask for much, but they want to breeze in for long time money and then get out in one hour I think.

Can anyone help me figure out how to do what I try to do here in Bangkok? What Avenue should I try? I have a bar girl that's good to go, but she's like 100 years old. I have freelancers that are good to go, but they seem really lazy.

I have not tried massage parlors and trying to get them to go a longer time.

What else can I try? How should I proceed?

Also, you know how complicated that post was? Imagine trying to explain this when you don't know Thai.

I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2727593]If you properly want to see Rawai, then yes its best to stay there for the night, Patong is a 30-40 minute travel at night.

Travel down in the afternoon, book into a hotel, then check out the massage shop action into early evening, then eat.

Then hit Gilbis / Banana / Bank bar area around 8 pm, then if still looking hit Laguna at 10 pm, and Club Zhou opens at midnight.

Head back to Patong early the next afternoon.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Appreciate the advice.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better.[/QUOTE]

Then jump on the next plane back to the US. If you're unhappy with your experience in Thailand, nobody is going to give you advice that will improve it by a factor of 1000 times.

To be fair, Thailand is overrated for mongering. It used to be an order of magnitude or two better back back 10-20 years ago, has been on a steady decline, but is still drawing upon some of the old glory. Even given this, you'll find that most punters find Thailand easier and more satisfying than most spots in the western world. If you're a rare exception, just accept it and go where you prefer to be.

I think a key to being happy in Thailand is to accept things as they are, relax, adopt a "mai bpen rai" attitude, explore a bit and enjoy all the small (and not so small) delights that come your way. Having rigid expectations and trying to shoehorn Thais into conforming to your specifications is a recipe for a bad time. You can nudge them slightly sometimes, but if you come with a list of requirements and insist they follow them exactly, you'll be disappointed. This is true of many aspects, from food to sex. Some people are a bit OCD and don't like this, and Thailand is not for them.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]OK.

I guess I didn't ask the right question or didn't ask it correctly. Or gave too many details. Sorry about that. I was hoping somebody could help me figure this out. I am not used to the culture here.

At home in the United States, I get way, way hotter girls than I'm finding in Bangkok. The girls here seem really old and if they are not old they seem really lazy. As you can see from my previous post, I don't even ask for much, but they want to breeze in for long time money and then get out in one hour I think.

Can anyone help me figure out how to do what I try to do here in Bangkok? What Avenue should I try? I have a bar girl that's good to go, but she's like 100 years old. I have freelancers that are good to go, but they seem really lazy.

I have not tried massage parlors and trying to get them to go a longer time.

What else can I try? How should I proceed?

Also, you know how complicated that post was? Imagine trying to explain this when you don't know Thai.

I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?[/QUOTE]If you aren't happy with the bar girl quality then you should check out the Thai Friendly website. Plenty of cute, younger women there that are looking for company. Also, if you are willing to spend a bit more cash (still a lot less than in the USA) check out [URL]smooci.com[/URL]. They list escorts from multiple agencies at prices much less than what they charge at their regular sites.

And if you are doing that well in the USA why spend 24 hours or more to get to Thailand. Myself at Social Security age, with a normal income, the quality (and quantity) of available and "free" women is quite poor. And the P4 P quality is horrible unless you are willing to shell out major $$.

Also, you didn't indicate where in Bangkok you were. You definitely want to be in the Sukhumvit area. There you have access to Nana, Soi Cowboy bars and freelancers on Suk 4 and Thermae bar. I would be astounded if you couldn't find someone that appeals to you.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]OK.

I guess I didn't ask the right question or didn't ask it correctly. Or gave too many details. Sorry about that. I was hoping somebody could help me figure this out. I am not used to the culture here.

At home in the United States, I get way, way hotter girls than I'm finding in Bangkok. The girls here seem really old and if they are not old they seem really lazy. As you can see from my previous post, I don't even ask for much, but they want to breeze in for long time money and then get out in one hour I think.

Can anyone help me figure out how to do what I try to do here in Bangkok? What Avenue should I try? I have a bar girl that's good to go, but she's like 100 years old. I have freelancers that are good to go, but they seem really lazy.

I have not tried massage parlors and trying to get them to go a longer time.

What else can I try? How should I proceed?

Also, you know how complicated that post was? Imagine trying to explain this when you don't know Thai.

I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?[/QUOTE]In Thailand, you can get anything you want if you pay and most speak enough English in the P4 P scene. So perhaps the problem starts with hmmm?

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727362]Hi,

First post ever. Very experienced with USA and some experience in Europe Mongering and Puntering. Ha ha.

I like a different kind of thing that most of you. I'll describe it. Then, can you guys tell me my best bet for trying to do this in Bangkok? In the States it's soooo easy to do this but I don't know where to get started in Bangkok since it's all about "short time" and numbers of pops here.

What I like: just getting teased for extended periods of time. I'm good with hands only even. Edging. That type of thing. In the States, it's easy. I find girls that appreciate the easy nature of my kink and pay less per hour because it's so damn easy for them. I usually go like 4-6 hours. I find sugar babies mostly for this. They understand it more than high dollar escorts. I also go for crazy attractive / hot / thin / young ones. Breast implants a plus actually for me.

Basically what I do in the United States is a contact them online and then set up everything through text first so there are no surprises. The cost is figured out, everything is figured out in great detail. And it's really easy when we meet.

So how can I find the right type of girls for this in Thailand? I'm here for a month, but if I just do this trial and error trying go go bars, street girls, agencies, massage parlors, Thai friendly, freelancers, etc. Etc. I am liable to waste three weeks before I can figure out how to get this to work.

What do you think my best bet is? For finding girls like this in Bangkok? And Pattaya?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]OK.

I guess I didn't ask the right question or didn't ask it correctly. Or gave too many details. Sorry about that. I was hoping somebody could help me figure this out. I am not used to the culture here.

At home in the United States, I get way, way hotter girls than I'm finding in Bangkok. The girls here seem really old and if they are not old they seem really lazy. As you can see from my previous post, I don't even ask for much, but they want to breeze in for long time money and then get out in one hour I think.

Can anyone help me figure out how to do what I try to do here in Bangkok? What Avenue should I try? I have a bar girl that's good to go, but she's like 100 years old. I have freelancers that are good to go, but they seem really lazy.

I have not tried massage parlors and trying to get them to go a longer time.

What else can I try? How should I proceed?

Also, you know how complicated that post was? Imagine trying to explain this when you don't know Thai.

I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?[/QUOTE]I see you are looking for a particular kind of prolonged teasing, edging, super delayed orgasm type of Happy Ending massage, perhaps up to 4-6 hours in duration. Is that right?

In addition to which you have a somewhat narrow range in terms of the service provider's age, body, face, etc, you desire, right?

I am not a massage shop punter so I have no idea where to find such a place or lady in Bangkok. But you probably should have posted your initial question in the Bangkok Massage Shop or similar threads.

I don't think the previous replies about you simply meeting girls in the go-go bars at Nana Plaza, on ThaiFriendly, Smooci and so on are addressing this very specific kind of specialized service from a highly skilled provider that you are seeking. At least, I would be surprised beyond all get out if you found a Thai girl in those places who fits your description and is willing and able in terms of experience and skills to put in the hours and effort.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2727769]Then jump on the next plane back to the US. If you're unhappy with your experience in Thailand, nobody is going to give you advice that will improve it by a factor of 1000 times.

To be fair, Thailand is overrated for mongering. It used to be an order of magnitude or two better back back 10-20 years ago, has been on a steady decline, but is still drawing upon some of the old glory. Even given this, you'll find that most punters find Thailand easier and more satisfying than most spots in the western world. If you're a rare exception, just accept it and go where you prefer to be.

I think a key to being happy in Thailand is to accept things as they are, relax, adopt a "mai bpen rai" attitude, explore a bit and enjoy all the small (and not so small) delights that come your way. Having rigid expectations and trying to shoehorn Thais into conforming to your specifications is a recipe for a bad time. You can nudge them slightly sometimes, but if you come with a list of requirements and insist they follow them exactly, you'll be disappointed. This is true of many aspects, from food to sex. Some people are a bit OCD and don't like this, and Thailand is not for them.[/QUOTE]You're right.

In regular life here, it's very much Mai pen Rai for me. I'm thoroughly enjoying all the other aspects of living here this month. It's also a great challenge and fun to learn Thai and figure out the city. I confirm and enjoy the experience along with ups and down. Truthfully, there have been no downs at all. It's been a wonderful place.

For some reason, I've developed a habit of not risking it when it comes to mongering. I've also developed a habit of only the absolute hottest 18-24 year old girls. I'm trying to apply these preferences to Bangkok and it's not working. You're right that maybe I just need to risk it and see what happens. Much like getting on a plane to come here in the first place.

Since I do this in the USA all the time, money isn't really an object. But I also don't want to contribute to any upward pressure ok m rates here by giving too much. So I'm also trying to follow the norms.

It's currently 01:42. Maybe a good time today go look at Soi Cowboy. It's almost closed.

It's a very short walk.

Thanks for setting straight. This is exactly what I needed.

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2727776]If you aren't happy with the bar girl quality then you should check out the Thai Friendly website. Plenty of cute, women there that are looking for company. Also, if you are willing to spend a bit more cash (still a lot less than in the USA) check out [URL]smooci.com[/URL]. They list escorts from multiple agencies at prices much less than what they charge at their regular sites.

And if you are doing that well in the USA why spend 24 hours or more to get to Thailand. Myself at Social Security age, with a normal income, the quality (and quantity) of available and "free" women is quite poor. And the P4P quality is horrible unless you are willing to shell out major $$.

Also, you didn't indicate where in Bangkok you were. You definitely want to be in the Sukhumvit area. There you have access to Nana, Soi Cowboy bars and freelancers on Suk 4 and Thermae bar. I would be astounded if you couldn't find someone that appeals to you.[/QUOTE]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding. I'm finding very few young, hot freelance girls on Thai Friendly. A couple, but the freelancers seem to be old. If not old, they are not attractive. If they are young and attractive, they are very slow to meet. None have made it through the "sales funnel" to meeting yet. A few are looking for real boyfriends and I'm looking at meeting these eventually when they get around to it. Another cultural difference. At home I meet most girls the very next day. Tuje is limited here and girls are dragging it out.

For comparison sake, I have 149 unread messages in my inbox on Thai Friendly and I read most of them. I have many thousands on my home source. These are messages from girls where they send the first message but I'm not attracted. One thing I do notice is all the hot, young girls seem to be in Pattaya. Attached, this is my absolute favorite girl in all of Thailand. I'm trying to set up a meet but she is super slow at responding. I'm going to spend next week in Pattaya, but have had absolutely nobluvk here on Bangkok.

I'm not a big "go out and party at night" guy anymore either. I live a more quiet, balanced life and typically get girl online. And ieet them during the day. I think this is making it worse. Y9 u actually have to go out in the middle of the night to bars / streets around here, don't you?

Anyway, this girl is veryuch my type. Trying to find girls like this. This particular one is super slow to set up with. Seems like she's on vacation right now because even her online presence has slowed way down.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]OK.

I guess I didn't ask the right question or didn't ask it correctly. Or gave too many details. Sorry about that. I was hoping somebody could help me figure this out. I am not used to the culture here.
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I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?[/QUOTE]Your attitude feels negative right now. That's the first thing that must change before you have a good time in Thailand.

After reading your first and second posts, I question if Thailand is the right place for you. Suggest you spend 4 hours reading this website and you will better understand how the Thailand scene works. Bangkok, Pattaya, and Phuket all have different feels. Different parts of those locations feel different. Lower key is at Samui and maybe Hua Hin (I've never visited Hua Hin).

You are in a foreign land. Don’t expect the same things as you have at home.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]OK.

I guess I didn't ask the right question or didn't ask it correctly. Or gave too many details. Sorry about that. I was hoping somebody could help me figure this out. I am not used to the culture here.

At home in the United States, I get way, way hotter girls than I'm finding in Bangkok. The girls here seem really old and if they are not old they seem really lazy. As you can see from my previous post, I don't even ask for much, but they want to breeze in for long time money and then get out in one hour I think.

Can anyone help me figure out how to do what I try to do here in Bangkok? What Avenue should I try? I have a bar girl that's good to go, but she's like 100 years old. I have freelancers that are good to go, but they seem really lazy.

I have not tried massage parlors and trying to get them to go a longer time.

What else can I try? How should I proceed?

Also, you know how complicated that post was? Imagine trying to explain this when you don't know Thai.

I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?[/QUOTE]You are a regular member with 2 posts and zero information. You get what you give. You haven't shared any meaningful information so most senior members are probably not going out of their way to help you with information.

Adding to this this board has hours of reading materail with tons of info.

RTFF, then you might find people will actually bother to put some effort into responding to you question.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2726070]Thai Bar Girl's Priorities List: (humour yes, but illustrative none the less).

1. Money.

2. Gold.

3. Food.

4. Sleeping.

5. Child or children.

6. Watching TV.

7. Grandparents, mother, father.

8. Her Thai boyfriend or husband, siblings and other family members.

9. Monks and temples..[/QUOTE]Haha, this is an awesome list, thank you!

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?[/QUOTE]When in Rome, be like a Roman.

SL.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727833]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding. I'm finding very few young, hot freelance girls on Thai Friendly. A couple, but the freelancers seem to be old. If not old, they are not attractive. If they are young and attractive, they are very slow to meet. None have made it through the "sales funnel" to meeting yet. A few are looking for real boyfriends and I'm looking at meeting these eventually when they get around to it. Another cultural difference. At home I meet most girls the very next day. Tuje is limited here and girls are dragging it out.

For comparison sake, I have 149 unread messages in my inbox on Thai Friendly and I read most of them. I have many thousands on my home source. These are messages from girls where they send the first message but I'm not attracted. One thing I do notice is all the hot, young girls seem to be in Pattaya. Attached, this is my absolute favorite girl in all of Thailand. I'm trying to set up a meet but she is super slow at responding. I'm going to spend next week in Pattaya, but have had absolutely nobluvk here on Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I think you will have no problem finding girls equal to or surpassing the girl in those photos (talking about how she likely really looks in person, not just in her photos) in the bars on Soi Cowboy or, better in my opinion, in the go-go bars of Nana Plaza another 10-12 minute walk down Sukhumvit at Soi 4 for all the usual desired P4 P services such as DFK, DATY, CFS or BBFSCIP, BBBJCIM, etc. And you can easily have it for 1-2 hours in your hotel room for roughly $100 USD not counting the cost of drinks, any and every night of your stay in Bangkok.

It might cost even less than that if you don't mind choosing fully clothed girls for those services inside Thermae on Sukhumvit near Soi 15 since no 800 - 1000 baht barfine is required to take them to your room.

However, as far as the more specific, "different" and skill-based kind of prolonged (4-6 hour) teasing, edging Happy Ending type of "massage" service you described in your first post goes, as you suggested, that is going to require a whole lot more explaining and, possibly, detailed translating from English to Thai in order to make that happen with those girls.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727833]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding. I'm finding very few young, hot freelance girls on Thai Friendly. A couple, but the freelancers seem to be old. If not old, they are not attractive. If they are young and attractive, they are very slow to meet. None have made it through the "sales funnel" to meeting yet. A few are looking for real boyfriends and I'm looking at meeting these eventually when they get around to it. Another cultural difference. At home I meet most girls the very next day. Tuje is limited here and girls are dragging it out.

For comparison sake, I have 149 unread messages in my inbox on Thai Friendly and I read most of them. I have many thousands on my home source. These are messages from girls where they send the first message but I'm not attracted. One thing I do notice is all the hot, young girls seem to be in Pattaya. Attached, this is my absolute favorite girl in all of Thailand. I'm trying to set up a meet but she is super slow at responding. I'm going to spend next week in Pattaya, but have had absolutely nobluvk here on Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha.

You've set your sights very high.

That girl is Janny, she is a very very successful InstaHo / OF girl, have a look at [URL]www.linktr.ee/jannyjin.[/URL].

What's more, she would be making 10,000 plus baht a day online before getting out of bed.

You said you're not a go out and party type guy anymore, well I can assure you she is.

And she would have young party guys with money willing to take her out and do what she wants, when she wants.

The hottest girls in Thailand make big money, and love to spend it.

So clearly you are aiming unrealistically with your wants, what you are seeking isn't likely to be found on InstaHo land, or TF.

I'd suggest you start scanning the high end escort sites.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2727667]You consider being in relationships with ex-bar girls as successful relationships? LOL. That tells me everything, the standards are so damn low.[/QUOTE]And that is why you have no understanding whatsoever of Thailand.

Having worked in a bar, does not make them a bargirl.

Their chosen lifestyle when working there does.

And many, especially away from your Pattaya screwed view, simply choose to never become bargirls.

They work there, enjoy their life, and stay pretty much rural Thai girls in their outlook on life.

A successful relationship is a successful relationship, no matter where the people come from.

They are defined by.

Longevity.

Happiness.

Respect.

Support.

Take your prejudices and preconceptions, and stay the f $%& home and lonely.

Common goals.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2727562]Needs to explain more.

30 year younger ex bargirl business relationship. What is going on?[/QUOTE]Explain it to you, nah.

You most likely wouldn't understand.

If you are truly interested, perhaps get out of the mongering only forums and mindset for a bit.

Instead have a look at expat life forums, FaceBook has lots of them, especially Isaan based ones.

Look at the life of people there, both in Thailand, and overseas.

You will see many many many successful relationships, with younger partners, many likely ex-bargirls.

Where they have established mutual business interests, and I don't mean paying them every month.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727833]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding. I'm finding very few young, hot freelance girls on Thai Friendly..[/QUOTE]I've mongered here, Mexico and the US (west coast is where I am from).

If you're spending US $1000 per meet in the US you should definitely be able to find what you're looking for in Bangkok. Have you checked out the various websites (search for a recent post listing them). There are beautiful but expensive girls on those web sites.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2726070]As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture.

As Thailand is very much based on a Hierarchical Society. The chances of a lady from Isan, which is one of the poorest and lowest standing regions, meeting and marrying a wealthy white Thai man from a higher society Bangkok family would be rare. So the best chance of a lady from Isan is to marry a foreigner. Foreigners don't really care about the Hierarchical structure of Thai society. As long as she is hot that is alll we care about it.

Virtually every foreigner will have a relationship with a woman from Isan. It is so common that an industry within Isan has developed around this. There are several facebook groups with 100,000's + members all about how to have a relationship with foreigners, how to get money out of a foreigner, how to take advantage of a foreigner etc Every possible subject both good and bad can found within some group on the net. Even a new woman arriving in Bangkok will have some or even quite detailed knowledge about how to get the most out of her transactions with foreign men. The days where it would take new arrivals months or even a year to become wise to the little tricks are way gone. They pick it up in days now. Adding to this they will have their family back home reminding them on a daily basis how to extract resources for the collective from a farang.

I had a Thai GF for about a year and of course her family was from Isan. Everytime she would go back she would get shown all the big houses or farm extensions that foreigners had purchased in her vaillage for the family. Her mother used to ask her all the time "where is my house". If you have a Thai GF you are assumed to be part of their collective and are expected to contribute. As I did not have any intention of sticking with this particular girl for too long I just used to send a relatively small amount to the family and then just ignore the rest of the requests. My good little college girl from Isan turned out to be a nightmare after a year when she finally realised that she would be better off with another foreigner.

They move on very quickly and they always have a few options worked out before they go. They will also try to keep past boyfriends on the hook. They like to have a portfolio of options to maximise their chances of getting that house in Isan for mama.

As a foreigner I will never truly understand the intricate nature of Thai Culture. My overall strategy is to protect myself. Contribute a little to a girlfriends family and dodge the big ticket items. As a foreigner we never really get any credit from something contributed anyway.

Thai Bar Girl's Priorities List: (humour yes, but illustrative none the less).

1. Money.

2. Gold.

3. Food.

4. Sleeping.

5. Child or children.

6. Watching TV.

7. Grandparents, mother, father.

8. Her Thai boyfriend or husband, siblings and other family members.

9. Monks and temples.

10. Thai friends.

11. Every other Thai person in the world, down to the lowest Bangkok beggar.

12. The family buffalo.

13. Her pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

14. The fleas on the pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

15. You.[/QUOTE]Many have paid a fortune trying to reverse this order.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]OK.

I guess I didn't ask the right question or didn't ask it correctly. Or gave too many details. Sorry about that. I was hoping somebody could help me figure this out. I am not used to the culture here.

At home in the United States, I get way, way hotter girls than I'm finding in Bangkok. The girls here seem really old and if they are not old they seem really lazy. As you can see from my previous post, I don't even ask for much, but they want to breeze in for long time money and then get out in one hour I think.

Can anyone help me figure out how to do what I try to do here in Bangkok? What Avenue should I try? I have a bar girl that's good to go, but she's like 100 years old. I have freelancers that are good to go, but they seem really lazy.

I have not tried massage parlors and trying to get them to go a longer time.

What else can I try? How should I proceed?[/QUOTE]I'm here in BKK right now, only been here three days though. I get what you are saying. So far I've only used TF and it's mostly older women and the younger ones want more money then what they are worth IMO.

I had one over yesterday, she shows up with mask on and once we get upstairs the mask comes off and not a pretty sight, face didn't match pics well. I proceed ahead and she gives me a legit massage and then I move in for smashing and she says that cost more. And I'm like, do you really think I had you come to my room for a 1,500 massage?? At that point I just gave her the money and told her to leave. The level of entitlement and hard heartedness some of them have is sad.

I had two good experiences at the BJ bars.

Guys,

Visiting from India to Bangkok this weekend. Looking for couple of European strippers. Please DM me if you have any contacts.

Thanks guys. Thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways and providing some suggestions on where to get started.

It's weird. I conform completely to the culture in every other way. Then in one of the biggest aspects of the trip, I assert all these expectations from home and approach it like a pig headed American.

You guys are completely right. When in Rome and all that.

I'll try this all again from the perspective suggested here. Who knows? Maybe a mamasan will be able to help out with my requests for a tip. Might as well try.

I'm all alone out here on this trip (like a lot of people probably are when doing one of these trips) so I guess I just started heading off in the wrong direction. Just needed a nudge to point me back on track with the "Mai pen Rai" attitude that's so important here.

Can't believe I forgot to connect it to the mongering. Duh.

Go to any go-go bar, pick a girl (if you can find one based on your high standards), ask for the mamasan who speaks the best English (there is always one) explain to her exactly what you want and how much you will pay for it and make sure she understands you by repeating your request. She calls the girl over explains what you want and how much you will pay. The girl says yes problem solved, the girl says no, next.

I almost forgot tip the mamasan, tomorrow she will have 3 girls waiting for you to pick from.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699] I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?[/QUOTE]I hate to say it PuntgerMan, but just maybe Thailand is not for you. As other BM's have already pointed out, you should RTFF. I suggest that you Go back through the forum posts, seek out the repeat positive reviews of 4 or 5 of the most popular Go Go's in BKK and Pattaya and then check them out. I think you will find at least a few girls up to your standards in looks in the better Go Go's. Also you might want to check out the higher reviewed nightclubs in BKK and Pattaya if my advice on Go Go's does not work for you. And you should also pay a visit to a couple of the top tier BKK Soapy Massage parlors that are back open for business. The soapy girls will definitely provide you with the kind of service you desire.

I think all BKK girls in the better establishments will give you want you like, but since it sounds like what you seek is not exactly what the girls think most guys want, you will have to bring them along in a friendly manner and show them exactly what you like. As long as it is not too kinky, I am pretty sure the girls will be able to satisfy you. But like I said before, Thailand may just not be for you. It's funny, but, most of us consider the USA a sex prison. HA HA. I can't wait to escape 2 or 3 times a year.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727833]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding.[/QUOTE]You mean to say that offering 35,000 baht for a 4-6 hour massage, slow edging session isn't working in Thailand? Hard to believe. Go to the massage shops near Suk 22 and start the offer at 30,000 for two girls.

My comments are a bit late but for those who are not aware I stayed on Suk 18 for a few days (first time in this area) and there are a lot of massage places around that area. And many in the range of 8-10 level of course there are a few with lower level number but really worth it.

Around 1500-2000 depending on the quality of the person.

If you are new to BKK try this area you won't be disappointed.

Also the SW around SuK 4 to Soi Cowboy are plentiful but are pricey and want payment up fornt which I don't do.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2728097]Go to any go-go bar, pick a girl (if you can find one based on your high standards), ask for the mamasan who speaks the best English (there is always one) explain to her exactly what you want and how much you will pay for it and make sure she understands you by repeating your request. She calls the girl over explains what you want and how much you will pay. The girl says yes problem solved, the girl says no, next.

I almost forgot tip the mamasan, tomorrow she will have 3 girls waiting for you to pick from.[/QUOTE]I was mentioning this further down in my posts and this seems like the best idea. Just work with the mamasan.

That's what I'm going to try. Got the old Bangkok belly tonight and didn't get to go out anywhere. Ha ha. I have been here for four days and I was practically celebrating the fact that I had no stomach issues. And then they hit tonight. Right before I started going out.

A related question about timing. Is it better to go out on a Saturday when there are more girls? Or on a Sunday when there are less guys? I'm leaning towards Sunday night because that way it won't be as busy for the girls maybe. More selection.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2728106]I hate to say it PuntgerMan, but just maybe Thailand is not for you. As other BM's have already pointed out, you should RTFF. I suggest that you Go back through the forum posts, seek out the repeat positive reviews of 4 or 5 of the most popular Go Go's in BKK and Pattaya and then check them out. I think you will find at least a few girls up to your standards in looks in the better Go Go's. Also you might want to check out the higher reviewed nightclubs in BKK and Pattaya if my advice on Go Go's does not work for you. And you should also pay a visit to a couple of the top tier BKK Soapy Massage parlors that are back open for business. The soapy girls will definitely provide you with the kind of service you desire.

I think all BKK girls in the better establishments will give you want you like, but since it sounds like what you seek is not exactly what the girls think most guys want, you will have to bring them along in a friendly manner and show them exactly what you like. As long as it is not too kinky, I am pretty sure the girls will be able to satisfy you. But like I said before, Thailand may just not be for you. It's funny, but, most of us consider the USA a sex prison. HA HA. I can't wait to escape 2 or 3 times a year.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to say thank you on this one also. Some good advice in here. But no, people were right on here. I'm going to make this place work. I guess the USA isn't a prison for me, it's just extremely expensive. That's all. I've had a lot of years to hone the craft there. Here, it's all a little different. And in thinking about that, I have started to view the first time with a girl as like a first date. Maybe just get the short stay and see if she's interested in upgrading to more once she understands what I like.

I'm either going tonight or Sunday night. I think Sunday night because I'm going to count on the fact that there are less guys out. At least I hope. Always good to stack the odds in your favor. 55555 Thanks again actually to everyone that responded. This is what I needed was a little bit of a pointing in the right direction. I'll definitely put some reports up about my experiences at the places. Just to add to the knowledge of Bangkok on the thread. It's a Pattaya next week for me.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2728140]You mean to say that offering 35,000 baht for a 4-6 hour massage, slow edging session isn't working in Thailand? Hard to believe. Go to the massage shops near Suk 22 and start the offer at 30,000 for two girls.[/QUOTE]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding.

You mean to say that offering 35,000 baht for a 4-6 hour massage, slow edging session isn't working in Thailand? Hard to believe. Go to the massage shops near Suk 22 and start the offer at 30,000 for two girls.

They must mean BAHT not US $!

Walked by Lolitas and Kasalong today. Excellent inventory if you like old, unattractive and bitchy women.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2727942]Explain it to you, nah.

You most likely wouldn't understand.

If you are truly interested, perhaps get out of the mongering only forums and mindset for a bit.

Instead have a look at expat life forums, FaceBook has lots of them, especially Isaan based ones.

Look at the life of people there, both in Thailand, and overseas.

You will see many many many successful relationships, with younger partners, many likely ex-bargirls.

Where they have established mutual business interests, and I don't mean paying them every month.[/QUOTE]And some people win the lottery.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2728284]Just wanted to say thank you on this one also. Some good advice in here. But no, people were right on here. I'm going to make this place work. I guess the USA isn't a prison for me, it's just extremely expensive. That's all. I've had a lot of years to hone the craft there. Here, it's all a little different. And in thinking about that, I have started to view the first time with a girl as like a first date. Maybe just get the short stay and see if she's interested in upgrading to more once she understands what I like.

I'm either going tonight or Sunday night. I think Sunday night because I'm going to count on the fact that there are less guys out. At least I hope. Always good to stack the odds in your favor. 55555 Thanks again actually to everyone that responded. This is what I needed was a little bit of a pointing in the right direction. I'll definitely put some reports up about my experiences at the places. Just to add to the knowledge of Bangkok on the thread. It's a Pattaya next week for me.[/QUOTE]I hope you work it out so you can truly enjoy Thai girls. They are really some of the nicest girls on the planet. But just to elaborate a little on what I posted earlier: I am not necessarily into plain vanilla point & shoot sessions either. I like to customize things according to my tastes & preferences too. What I particularly like, with the right girl, is what I call modified ST where a girl or girls and I spend 3 to 4 hours together, relax, get it on 2 or 3 times, have dinner in between sex, drink wine or Tequila, maybe smoke a little reefer, and basically enjoy a GFE evening together before saying goodbye. I am not a big fan of overnight or LT, however.

My favorite repeat girls almost always adapt into this pattern after they get to know me a little a realize I might be a friendly repeat client. Some girls fall into this on our first time together. Other girls need a few times together to become comfortable with me and to understand what I like. Other girls never get into it. Success usually depends on the girl and the vibe I can or cannot create with her. I just know that many great things are possible like real 3 ways, after the girls get to know me a little bit.

I am not interested in modified ST with all my girls. Some girls are better at wham bam thank you ma'am and should be left that way. There is nothing wrong with that. But I find that my keepers are well worth spending more time with and that there are added benefits in doing so.

Since Covid I have been going to Brazil. I find Brazilian girls although very different in bed than Thai girls are also up for GFE and modified ST when the vibe is right. I really love a couple of my favorite SP girls for this very reason.

High quality USA girls are super expensive. I prefer to save my money for my travel adventures. But there is nothing wrong with high quality American working girls if you can afford the price tag and not get hung up on it. The most expensive girl I ever met outside the USA was a Ukranian girl I saw in a Macau Sauna lineup. She was a spectacular natural beauty. Familia Nobre labeled her an "Emperor's Model" and they wanted 400 US per session with her. I reluctantly passed on the Ukranian and instead chose a very sexy Singaporean Chinese girl for only $300 US. LOL.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2728495]I hope you work it out so you can truly enjoy Thai girls. They are really some of the nicest girls on the planet. But just to elaborate a little on what I posted earlier: I am not necessarily into plain vanilla point & shoot sessions either. I like to customize things according to my tastes & preferences too. What I particularly like, with the right girl, is what I call modified ST where a girl or girls and I spend 3 to 4 hours together, relax, get it on 2 or 3 times, have dinner in between sex, drink wine or Tequila, maybe smoke a little reefer, and basically enjoy a GFE evening together before saying goodbye. I am not a big fan of overnight or LT, however.
.[/QUOTE]I also practice this type of "modified ST" which I call GFE (girlfriend experience). As you wrote, not all girls are up for this experience. But once you find the right girl, its fantastic. It is a very real girlfriend experience: holding hands while walking and exploring, she takes care of you by applying sunscreen on your back at the beach, cuddling naked in bed, bringing you to restaurants and bars unknown to tourists, teaching you a bit about Thai culture.

To me this is more LT than ST but no need to discuss the definitions, its just a rewarding experience for me.

I do the same in Mexico.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2728414]Walked by Lolitas and Kasalong today. Excellent inventory if you like old, unattractive and bitchy women.[/QUOTE]Same same since 1999.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2728495]The most expensive girl I ever met outside the USA was a Ukranian girl I saw in a Macau Sauna lineup. She was a spectacular natural beauty. Familia Nobre labeled her an "Emperor's Model" and they wanted 400 US per session with her. I reluctantly passed on the Ukranian and instead chose a very sexy Singaporean Chinese girl for only $300 US. LOL.[/QUOTE]Familia Nobre is one of my favourite places in the world. One of the hottest girls I ever had was a thigh massage girl there from Vietnam who grew up in Singapore. Amazing!

I hope Macau survives after covid. I hear it is having a really hard time there and cannot imagine the Saunas being operational at the moment.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2728606]Familia Nobre is one of my favourite places in the world. One of the hottest girls I ever had was a thigh massage girl there from Vietnam who grew up in Singapore. Amazing!

I hope Macau survives after covid. I hear it is having a really hard time there and cannot imagine the Saunas being operational at the moment.[/QUOTE]I concur. The experience I had at Familia Nobre was similar to yours. I chose a Vietnamese beauty, amongst several different nationalities choices, and she rocked my world. Maybe there is some venue like that in Bangkok but am unaware of it.

[QUOTE=Allover;2727610]I wonder if the woman is the very famous Rin known long ago for ball massages?[/QUOTE]Funny coincidence, but while she was working on the balls, the thought did cross my mind that this may have been similar to that famous ball massage I never got to try due to it being in some faraway place I couldn't bother to venture out to.

Last I remember Rin mentioned here indicated she would be in her late 40's or early 50's though, and that was a few years ago. The woman I'm talking about now my very quick glance (not a "BBW" fan) would put at around 30-35. I may be wrong however, as I don't think that name is the most common, and two woman coincidentally having the same name and giving such well honed service would also be a bit unusual.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2728433]And some people win the lottery.[/QUOTE]You can increase your chances of winning in any of "life's lotteries", by having a good plan, and working it.

Be it relationships, business, finance, or even gambling lotteries.

I may we'll have won at the relationship lottery (at least so far), as I know you did in business, from when we sat and had a chat at Mojito's that afternoon.

Thursday Night 4th August: Soi Cowboy.

I started off at 9 pm at Crazy House. It is busy now to almost fill 1 level on most nights. I have not seen both levels operate since precovid. The place does have some nice ladies but whenever I have spoken to the hottest girls they have been just drinks girls. The last time I went there I called one over and she wanted a Tequila and Coke and also wanted me to buy the waitress the same. If I wanted to stay there longer I would have diffused the BS and had the lady order just 1 drink and then told the waitress no to hers. As I wanted to check out a few places I just got up, put 200 baht on the table for my beer and left without saying another word. Tequlia and coke is 2 drinks = 350 and the waitress wanted one too Total 700 FFS.

Next stop was Bacarra. On a Thursday night it was quite busy with 2 floors open. They have done away with the compulsory buy a drink on entry BS. So you just enter and find a seat on whichever level you want which again is a bonus as pre covid farangs like me got directed to the second level only while our Japanese / Asian friends got the prime first level. While there is probably 60 girls, there seems to lack the stunners that were there precovid. Still it is worth checking out.

Next stop was Tilac. It has been mentioned on the board several times of late so I felt a duty to check it out. Crazy House and Bacarra were the first 2 to reopen on Cowbow after covid so are ahead of the game. Tilac has just reopened over the last few months and although it does have 50 girls there again talent not great and it is not that busy. I guess it will get better in next couple of months. I do like the option here of being able to sit outside and watch the freak show that is cowboy go by. The inside area is your standard gogo.

Summary. Virtually all bars are open now in Cowboy. Although it gets going earlier than Nana at 7 pm it is best to hit it at 8 pm or a bit after. The most popular gogos mentioned above plus Suzy Wongs and the Doll House are worth checking out. The rest of the gogos on cowboy need to be treated with caution or avoided all together as they are owned by the "Arab" and they focus on lady / scam drinks only. So you will be in for a bill of 1000 and up with no action.

Friday Night 29th July: Patpong.

Patpong does not get much of a mention on this board despite being a very large red light district. The whole area is dominated by Japanese / Asian clubs with Soi Thaniya, which runs from Silom Road to Surawong Road, is entirely Asian only and I don't know of any Farangs that go there or even allowed to enter the clubs.

Anyway, if you leave the Sala Daeng BTS Station and head down half a dozen sois towards Silom you come across a little area where there are maybe 10 gogos within 500 meters of each other spread over 2 sois where westerners (Farangs) are welcome. The outstanding club here is Kings Castle 1. The talent is equal to and sometimes better than the top Nana clubs, however it is very much Asian dominated and has a different vibe. Most Asian dudes go there for drinks only and a bit of a grope. You don't often see them bar fine girls but in my experience all of the girls there are bar fineable. In fact 3 out of my 10 or so long time favourites have come from there.

I actually went to Kings Castle 1 on 4 separate nights in July. The first night there I saw a super hottie however as I was eyeing her up a Japanese guy grabbed her and another girl. She ended up sitting at the next table to me, so I did get a decent look at her and of course she noticed my glances. When I go out I always have 20,000 folded up in my pocket in case a once a year opportunity is presented that I don't want to miss. I rarely use this stash but as I was leaving I made sure I pulled it out to pay the bill and made sure she saw it, which she certainly did. In these places if you want the hottest of the hottest girls you really do need to get their attention as they pick you and not vice versa. I went back the following week and saw her as I was walking in, she recognized me and looked straight at me, however a Japanese dude in a very nice suit saddled up next to her and grabbed her before I could get there. I went back twice more but never saw her again. I assume she is gone.

My tactic during covid has been to grab any outstanding hottie and get her entered into Line. They tend to not last long in gogos, but resurface from time to time by hitting your Line up. I guess that is why you always see the hottest girls out and about but they never seem to be available. They hottest girls can get by on their socials, regular customers or sponsors etc. The hottest of the hottest tend to pick you as a customer these days.

When in Patpong it is worth checking out Kings Castle 1, Kings Castle 3 (on same road further up). Then head to next soi over to see XXX-Lounge above the Patpong sex museum. I would consider these places as Tier 1. Tier 2 gogos which are also on same street as XXX lounge are worth sticking you head in and looking around before buying a beer are: Bada Bing, The Strip and the 1 bar in between these places whose name I forget. If you don't like the talent have a good look around and then just walk out without buying a beer and move on. All these gogos are within 500 meters. Pink Panther, which is at the other end of same street as Bada Bing and the Strip is also worth checking out. However you will have to walk through the Gay section of the soi as shirt free muscled up little Thai dudes gyrate on poles while looking at you to try and get you into the gay gogos 555. Just pretend to look at your phone while walking through the street. In fact I find this a good tactic if you come across a bunch of aggressive lady boys, just get phone out and look at it while passing and they will generally not grab you and generally not annoy you with "hellooooooo" in a "deep brown voice" (Lola reference).

Friday Night 5th August: Nana.

Nana is the number 1 game in Bangkok when it comes to Gogos. It is almost back to normal now with all gogos open. Bikinis are also standard now that they no longer have to operate as restaurant's due to covid restrictions. I believe all final covid restrictions were lifted on July 1st. On Thursday, Friday and Saturday night the biggest and best gogos are pumping and it can even be difficult to get a seat during peak 10 pm to mid night times. On off nights it is still slow with few customers and only half the girls.

Although some Nana gogos tend to open at 8 pm, it is best to get there at 9 pm or even 9. 30 pm as girls are still arriving. By 9. 30 pm places start to fill up with customers.

Current best Tier 1 Gogos are.

The big 4:

Bill Board and Butterfly, double sized gogos on the top floor (3rd floor), same owners.

Rainbow 4 and 5, double sized gogos on second floor, same owners. Mostly Asian customers.

Other Tier 1 gogos.

Spankys, on 2nd floor, I love this small place. It is always full even on quiet nights during peak times.

Twisters, on first floor. It is another double sized gogo that I never much visited pre covid. It is my current favourite.

Geisha, on 3rd floor next to butterfly. It is a big double gogo with plenty of girls. The waitresses are overly aggressive and interfering.

Tier 2. Random gogos, Angelwitch, Rainbow 69 and the other rainbow bar (not 4 or 5). Feel free to stick your head and check out all the little ones not mentioned here as they are run efficiently and the bills are clear unlike the Arab bars on Soi Cowboy.

Please note: I consider first floor being the ground floor. Second, next floor up etc. Different countries refer to this differently.

In summary the gogos are getting back to almost normal. There are still issues in getting good staff, that is with dancers and waitresses, but this is getting less and less. The issue with waitresses, is that they are told to be aggressive but there is a fine line between aggressive and wrecking the whole experience. At Billboard, Butterfly, Rainbow 4 and 5 waitresses are fine and you can even have fun with them and I always leave them a tip. At Geisha, Twister (both at Nana) and Crazy House (Soi Cowboy) you have to fend off the begging requests / general interference / scammy behaviour by old unattractive waitresses to where it becomes a chore and kills the vibe.

I also have found that most customers at the moment tend to be expats or experienced tourists so they tend to only drink at the Gogos and not bar fine girls. So even on nights where it can appear very busy the majority of girls don't get barfined so struggle to make any money.

Thursday, Friday and Saturday they are quite busy with girls and guys. At peak times the bigger gogos can even be hard to find a seat. The second tier gogos still struggle 7 days a week. On off nights all gogos are quiet, the 2nd tier places like ghost towns. It is also nice to see that all girls are back to Bikinis as opposed to the dresses they had to wear during Covid restrictions.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2728611]I concur. The experience I had at Familia Nobre was similar to yours. I chose a Vietnamese beauty, amongst several different nationalities choices, and she rocked my world. Maybe there is some venue like that in Bangkok but am unaware of it.[/QUOTE]If you find a similar place in BKK please let me know 555.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2728634]

Friday Night 29th July: Patpong.


I actually went to Kings Castle 1 on 4 separate nights in July. The first night there I saw a super hottie however as I was eyeing her up a Japanese guy grabbed her and another girl. She ended up sitting at the next table to me, so I did get a decent look at her and of course she noticed my glances. When I go out I always have 20,000 folded up in my pocket in case a once a year opportunity is presented that I don't want to miss. I rarely use this stash but as I was leaving I made sure I pulled it out to pay the bill and made sure she saw it, which she certainly did. In these places if you want the hottest of the hottest girls you really do need to get their attention as they pick you and not vice versa. I went back the following week and saw her as I was walking in, she recognized me and looked straight at me, however a Japanese dude in a very nice suit saddled up next to her and grabbed her before I could get there. I went back twice more but never saw her again. I assume she is gone.
.[/QUOTE]Kings castle 1 has had the best looking talent in Thailand for the past 4-5 years imo, as long as you're not looking for big fake boobs. I loved starting out nights there, and like you maybe getting a Line or 2 before I went to Butterflies at nana to barfine.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2700389]Do yourself a favor, if you're even mentioning A+ fetish you 100% want a PSE girl from Tulip. Thats the service you're looking for, regardless of the girls looks (although again many at Tulip are totally fine looking! You can get A+ from many girls, but the Tulip ones are on a different level and that's the whole point of it and its very much worth it if that's your thing.

With Eden Club closed (although Devil's Den in Pattaya is still open) and Snow White Closed -- Tulip is the goto A+ PSE location without question. You *might* find a one-off girl, but they ain't putting in the performance of a PSE place.[/QUOTE]Looks Don't Matter. That's a funny one.

Hnl-Bkk. Tomorrow. $1,063 roundtrip. Asians still not traveling. Need them bad, Hot girls won't come out of hiding till then.

Are the short time hotels in Nana open yet. ?

As of three weeks ago they weren't.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2728826]Looks Don't Matter. That's a funny one.

Hnl-Bkk. Tomorrow. $1,063 roundtrip. Asians still not traveling. Need them bad, Hot girls won't come out of hiding till then.

Are the short time hotels in Nana open yet. ?

As of three weeks ago they weren't.[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, I just checked on those Nana Plaza Short Time Rooms for a friend Saturday night. They are still closed. Word is they might reopen by the first of next year.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2728964]Coincidentally, I just checked on those Nana Plaza Short Time Rooms for a friend Saturday night. They are still closed. Word is they might reopen by the first of next year.[/QUOTE]Where to bring the girl you picked then if you don't have a room nearby? I would not bring her in my normal hotel so is there any option (no so expensive) to bring your girl to? Thank you for your help.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2728097]Go to any go-go bar, pick a girl (if you can find one based on your high standards), ask for the mamasan who speaks the best English (there is always one) explain to her exactly what you want and how much you will pay for it and make sure she understands you by repeating your request. She calls the girl over explains what you want and how much you will pay. The girl says yes problem solved, the girl says no, next.

I almost forgot tip the mamasan, tomorrow she will have 3 girls waiting for you to pick from.[/QUOTE]This seems like the go. How much would you usually tip the mamasan?

The "original" Rin, can still be found on soi 22,3rd soi in the left after the marriott hotel. She is well in the 50's. Still does great ball massage. And probably good idea to close your eyes. I was there "recently", I like to pass by a couple times per year to make sure some "cultural gems" remain alive.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2728613]Funny coincidence, but while she was working on the balls, the thought did cross my mind that this may have been similar to that famous ball massage I never got to try due to it being in some faraway place I couldn't bother to venture out to.

Last I remember Rin mentioned here indicated she would be in her late 40's or early 50's though, and that was a few years ago. The woman I'm talking about now my very quick glance (not a "BBW" fan) would put at around 30-35. I may be wrong however, as I don't think that name is the most common, and two woman coincidentally having the same name and giving such well honed service would also be a bit unusual.[/QUOTE]

I'll be reaching Bangkok on Friday early morning at 3 am from Sydney for a work conference. I'll have 4 am to 6 am for mongering.

What are my best bets?

Where can I get great street meat?

I'll check in to my work hotel around 9:30.

Also, I will be able to step out post 1 am work dinners to be in my own. Where all should I go to have fun?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2728097]Go to any go-go bar, pick a girl (if you can find one based on your high standards), ask for the mamasan who speaks the best English (there is always one) explain to her exactly what you want and how much you will pay for it and make sure she understands you by repeating your request. She calls the girl over explains what you want and how much you will pay. The girl says yes problem solved, the girl says no, next.

I almost forgot tip the mamasan, tomorrow she will have 3 girls waiting for you to pick from.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheSatellite;2729079]This seems like the go. How much would you usually tip the mamasan?[/QUOTE]Surprisingly, you only need to tip a small amount. If she knows that you'll tip her every time that she helps you. I would tip 100 baht. Remember the girls she sets you up with are also probably having to tip her.

I've lived in Bangkok for 4 years now, so I no longer need to use this strategy, in fact I normally want the mamasan to stay far away from my negotiations with the girls. I can communicate directly with the girl. However, when I was only an infrequent visitor I used this strategy many times.

[QUOTE=JblFlip69;2729222]I'll be reaching Bangkok on Friday early morning at 3 am from Sydney for a work conference. I'll have 4 am to 6 am for mongering.

What are my best bets?

Where can I get great street meat?

I'll check in to my work hotel around 9:30.

Also, I will be able to step out post 1 am work dinners to be in my own. Where all should I go to have fun?[/QUOTE]At 4 am, your best bet is to sleep. Bars in Nana Plaza are open until 2 am. After that, there's still freelancers and tourists milling along Sukhumvit as well as Soi 4, but the streetwalker scene is dwindling, and not exactly fantastic to begin with. Bit of a freak show, maybe fun to walk around, but don't expect to find a beauty queen among that bunch. Plenty of street people and ladyboys.

At 1 am, it's better, but still the tail end of sorts. I guess I'd head to soi 4 and pick a streetwalker or someone from the bars.

[QUOTE=Draazer10;2729033]Where to bring the girl you picked then if you don't have a room nearby? I would not bring her in my normal hotel so is there any option (no so expensive) to bring your girl to? Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]There are other ST rooms, girls know where to go.

[QUOTE=Draazer10;2729033]Where to bring the girl you picked then if you don't have a room nearby? I would not bring her in my normal hotel so is there any option (no so expensive) to bring your girl to? Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]As you leave Nana Plaza turn left and walk up soi 4. There is a couple of small laneways a few hundred meters up the street on the same side as you are walking. Down these laneways there are a number of short term hotels. Go for the most expensive one you can fine which will probably be 400 baht for an hour and most likely has nice clean sheets. There are cheaper ones at 200 Baht but they are skanky as hell and the rooms may or may not be cleaned in between customers. These short term hotels in these sois are used by a lot of streetwalkers so their standards tend to be pretty low.

The good street walkers are long gone by then. They are usually gone by 2 am. Sometimes there are bargirls on the way home but that dries up by 2:30. By 3, It is usually just the women who have nowhere to go and if they have nowhere to go, there is something wrong. I know this from personal experience. lol
The SWs hang around across from Nana Plaza, in front of Thermae, corner of Sukhumvit and Soi4 and in the pre-Covid days, in front of the Grace Hotel and Nana Condos. It will be a depressing scene at 4am most likely though.
BjBars open at 10 or 11.

[QUOTE=JblFlip69;2729222]I'll be reaching Bangkok on Friday early morning at 3 am from Sydney for a work conference. I'll have 4 am to 6 am for mongering.

What are my best bets?

Where can I get great street meat?

I'll check in to my work hotel around 9:30.

Also, I will be able to step out post 1 am work dinners to be in my own. Where all should I go to have fun?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2729288]Surprisingly, you only need to tip a small amount. If she knows that you'll tip her every time that she helps you. I would tip 100 baht. Remember the girls she sets you up with are also probably having to tip her.

I've lived in Bangkok for 4 years now, so I no longer need to use this strategy, in fact I normally want the mamasan to stay far away from my negotiations with the girls. I can communicate directly with the girl. However, when I was only an infrequent visitor I used this strategy many times.[/QUOTE]Cheers. I am going to be there for the very first time next month so as a newbie to it all I reckon this could be a good option for me. Could save a lot of hassle. I have spent the last few days going through 100+ pages of this thread and the information available on here is extremely helpful. I will post very detils reports when I am there.

It seems very hard to get a sense of what it will be like. Opinion seems to be split on here between "nothing like the good ol' days" and "things are picking up and there is plenty of great action to be found" - probs a mixture of both I guess. As I wasnt there for the glory days and this will be my first experieince, I am pretty sure I am going to have a good time. My bar is low.

[QUOTE=JblFlip69;2729222]I'll be reaching Bangkok on Friday early morning at 3 am from Sydney for a work conference. I'll have 4 am to 6 am for mongering.

What are my best bets?

Where can I get great street meat?

I'll check in to my work hotel around 9:30.

Also, I will be able to step out post 1 am work dinners to be in my own. Where all should I go to have fun?[/QUOTE]You could prebook an escort to meet you at those very unsocialble hours. I personally see no value in seeing an escort in BKK as they tend to be less attractive and way way over priced. At the hours you mention you will be scraping the bottom of the barrel and hence overpaying for an escort may be a better option.

[QUOTE=JblFlip69;2729222]I'll be reaching Bangkok on Friday early morning at 3 am from Sydney for a work conference. I'll have 4 am to 6 am for mongering.

What are my best bets?

Where can I get great street meat?

I'll check in to my work hotel around 9:30.

Also, I will be able to step out post 1 am work dinners to be in my own. Where all should I go to have fun?[/QUOTE]From 4 am to 6 am you will really only have most often the dregs still out.

But you can get lucky and pop a working girl who has left the "engagement" she had earlier.

I have occasionally found very good doable ones walking home along Soi Sukhumvit near Soi8 and Soi 11.

Or found them sitting relaxing having a drink and something to eat at the pop up bars and food stalls on the corner of Soi 11.

Have a look, and if nothing, then head to your hotel.

Also, a big word of caution, you will have all your travel stuff with you by the sounds of it, as you haven't booked into your hotel yet you said.

That makes you a prime "mark" for streetgirl theft, including being drugged at streetside pop up bars.

I have had a friend hit in that area, so it is a real fear there.

Personally, I would keep my cock in my pants, and money in my wallet until that next night.

[QUOTE=Draazer10;2729033]Where to bring the girl you picked then if you don't have a room nearby? I would not bring her in my normal hotel so is there any option (no so expensive) to bring your girl to? Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]If you know you're going to do it.

Then prepare ahead, rent a room for the night, check in, then go out and hunt.

There are oh so many very good 1000 baht or less hotels in the area.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2728826]Looks Don't Matter. That's a funny one.

Hnl-Bkk. Tomorrow. $1,063 roundtrip. Asians still not traveling. Need them bad, Hot girls won't come out of hiding till then.

Are the short time hotels in Nana open yet. ?

As of three weeks ago they weren't.[/QUOTE]Hot girls in hiding.

WTF!

Thanks for my morning funny.

You can always be depended on for posting a good laugh.

Thermae but they're not cheap nowadays and you have to be fast in and out.

4 am Bangkok will be completely dry. Had experienced the same few years back when I landed at a similar time. I used Smooci but was around 3 k BHT. You will find no street meat at that time for sure.

After 1 am, if you like clubs try them or Nana, Patpong and Soi Cowboy is open till 2 AM. Street meat will be available in front of Nana till 3 AM too.

[QUOTE=JblFlip69;2729222]I'll be reaching Bangkok on Friday early morning at 3 am from Sydney for a work conference. I'll have 4 am to 6 am for mongering.

What are my best bets?

Where can I get great street meat?

I'll check in to my work hotel around 9:30.

Also, I will be able to step out post 1 am work dinners to be in my own. Where all should I go to have fun?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2728284]Just wanted to say thank you on this one also. Some good advice in here. But no, people were right on here. I'm going to make this place work. I guess the USA isn't a prison for me, it's just extremely expensive. That's all. I've had a lot of years to hone the craft there. Here, it's all a little different. And in thinking about that, I have started to view the first time with a girl as like a first date. Maybe just get the short stay and see if she's interested in upgrading to more once she understands what I like.

I'm either going tonight or Sunday night. I think Sunday night because I'm going to count on the fact that there are less guys out. At least I hope. Always good to stack the odds in your favor. 55555 Thanks again actually to everyone that responded. This is what I needed was a little bit of a pointing in the right direction. I'll definitely put some reports up about my experiences at the places. Just to add to the knowledge of Bangkok on the thread. It's a Pattaya next week for me.[/QUOTE]Many hobbyists spent valuable time assisting you. In return, you should provide a field report.

I might have asked this before but is the Intercontinental really / still closed?

Has anybody hit the club in the GRand Hyatt?

Anybody been to any of the clubs at all?

I'm get ready to come back, Ill be up in Bang Sue looks like. New local grounds to explore.

Things are definitely getting back to normal at Nana. There is definitely more and more talent arriving. I saw a few cute girls this last week, much better than there has been over the last few months.

Customers are still thinish on the ground Sunday to Wednesday. Thursday is a little busier where as Friday and Saturday can be busy with premium seating hard to get in the bigger more popular gogos.

Once major differnce is that alot of girls are not on contracts so work what nights they want to. So you see some nice fresh talent pop up on nights you don't expect.

Pre Covid the overwhelming majority of girls were on monthly or some other fixed time contracts where they were fined for not turning up and they had drinks and bar fine quotas to meet in order to get a medium level salary. So you would see the same lineup most nights unless they got barfined early or pre booked.

My strategy has been to go on the quieter nights where some of the hottest girls are still available and not overly busy. Friday nights in particular can be a free for all where all the talent and good seats get grabbed quickly.

I have found some very nice Talent at the Rainbow 4 & 5, Butterflies and surprisingly at Twister on the ground floor.

Hi all, quick request. I will be staying in a hotel next to Lumphini Park next month with work and wondered if anyone had any advice regards places worth visiting nearby. I won't be able to 'go missing' for hours on end as colleagues may gossip. I've RTFF and done some research but nothing seems to be available unless I travel to Nana, Asoke etc? Any advice welcome. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Walshy;2730690]Hi all, quick request. I will be staying in a hotel next to Lumphini Park next month with work and wondered if anyone had any advice regards places worth visiting nearby. I won't be able to 'go missing' for hours on end as colleagues may gossip. I've RTFF and done some research but nothing seems to be available unless I travel to Nana, Asoke etc? Any advice welcome. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Nana is not far away by taxi, depending on the area you stay. To the point Lumphini Police Precint includes some area of sukhumvit / Nana.

[QUOTE=Walshy;2730690]Hi all, quick request. I will be staying in a hotel next to Lumphini Park next month with work and wondered if anyone had any advice regards places worth visiting nearby. I won't be able to 'go missing' for hours on end as colleagues may gossip. I've RTFF and done some research but nothing seems to be available unless I travel to Nana, Asoke etc? Any advice welcome. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]As stated previously, the Nana Plaza area is not far from Lumpini Park. Although I have walked from Soi 4/ Soi Nana to Lumpini Park many times in only 25 minutes or so, it is probably too far to walk for most for the purpose of mongering. And a walk from the far side of the park relative to Nana Plaza could take as long as 45 minutes.

However, it is easily accessible by taxi. Depending on which side of the park your hotel is located, it might take 20-30 minutes or even a bit more to get to Nana Plaza by car taxi during higher traffic times and only 10-15 minutes by motorcycle taxi almost any time.

Also depending on the location of your hotel relative to the park, the main entrance to Lumpini Park at the corner of Rama 4 and Ratchadamri Road is easy walking distance (maybe 10 minutes at a leisurely pace) to the Thanaya Road, Patpong 1 and 2 bar area as well as the BTS and MRT train stations where you can ride a low cost train to either Nana Plaza (by BTS) or Soi Cowboy (by MRT) in less than 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=Walshy;2730690]Hi all, quick request. I will be staying in a hotel next to Lumphini Park next month with work and wondered if anyone had any advice regards places worth visiting nearby. I won't be able to 'go missing' for hours on end as colleagues may gossip. I've RTFF and done some research but nothing seems to be available unless I travel to Nana, Asoke etc? Any advice welcome. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Patpong is close by. There was a pretty good trip report posted recently. Nana is a short taxi ride away. But the problem with staying around Lumphini Park is that things close down there very early. It is not like walking around Sukhumvit late at night with an infinite number of bars open and meeting all kinds of friendly girls. I love Sukhumvit.

I doubt your colleagues will care what you are doing after 10 pm. They will most likely be in their rooms watching Netflix or talking to family at home. But if the conversation ever comes up, just say you went out for a walk looking for a 7/11.555.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2730319]Many hobbyists spent valuable time assisting you. In return, you should provide a field report.[/QUOTE]Take it easy, bro. Do you want me to send you a check too?

I am reporting right now. Are you in Bangkok and desperately in need of this information right this second?

I have been using ThaiFriendly more than anything else, and I went to Nana Plaza.

Nana plaza: It was very busy even on a Sunday night. There were definitely some lookers there on the second level. Lollipops has a very animated and fun little guy trying to get you to go in. Seems like a good place for that quick sort of thing and at decent rates, but maybe like a 6/10 on looks. A couple random spots had the mamasans outside and letting you take a peek behind the curtain but the talent was so so in those shops.

The best talent I saw at Nana was the club directly over lollipops down a little hallway. There were some smoking hot girls hanging around outside it. Also in the far right corner. Some 8/10-9/10 girls.

I wasn't comfortable there. It's not the low pressure USA strip club vibe and with a new Covid surge in Thailand I didn't feel like unmasking and sitting in enclosed areas with a ton of people. I still have a couple weeks left here. I don't need to be sick on vacation. So, I went back and did Thai friendly.

That Friendly: Bangkok is not too many girls looking for customers. Lots of the ones in Bangkok are real and I have budding little relationships brewing with a few. Shaking them out to see who to date still. It takes a while. Thai girls move much more slowly. Plan to take weeks getting to know them before even lunch dates. But they are absolutely sweethearts. Almost every last one. So it's worth the effort if you want more than a short time or long time. The girls on Thai friendly are mostly good girls in Bangkok. Students, workers. They have a decent life and are smart.

Sideline girls: these are mostly just escort agencies doing incalls. A few independents I suppose. I looked at setting up an appointment but didn't feel like schlepping it across town to go to the incall. They do do outcall.

Actual action: I was juggling a dozen Thai friendly girls actively while in Bangkok. They are VERY slow to meet. Even if looking for customers. I did finally get a super hot 24 year old girl to come by. Damages? Something like 3000 baht because I tipped her. Was trying to do by usual long thing, but she was an accredited deepthroat master. Plus, I had been waiting all that time. I made it through like an hour of pornstar level deepthoating before I lost it. Wow. One of the best deep throats of my life.

Then off to pattaya. The heat here is just stupid. I am amazed. It's just a couple hours away from Bangkok and it's on the water so you would think it would be cooler. But no. It's so hot that I walked 20 minutes to the store and I was really dizzy by the time I was at the store. Did not feel well for a while until the air conditioning cooled me. In Pattaya, ThaiFriendly works really well. It works like Seeking does in the United States. You still have to put in a fair amount of time, and juggle lots of girls, but they are more quick to meet here. They will come right over. I have seen two of them so far. Personally, I only get one of these super long sessions a day and then my little guy packs it up and takes a rest until another day. Ha ha. So, I've only seen two of them so far. Even though I have a ton of them lined up waiting to see me. The girls are pretty high-quality down here. And they do themselves up better than Bangkok. I guess Bangkok is a lot more conservative. So they don't wear as much make up, they they don't dress as sexy. But down here in Pattaya, everybody's dressed up and sexy. It's nice. And talk about petite. My personal preference is for girls that are about 5 foot one and 100 pounds. Maybe with implants. I have found plenty of these. Plenty. No shortage at all.

Pattaya itself is pretty boring. It's only about drinking. It's not that nice to look at either. Plus the heat. Not really my favorite town. But, if you are just coming for the girls, I think this is a great destination. This is where all the girls and Thailand go to work. Everybody I talk to has been from other provinces deep in the country. They come down here to work for like a month or something. And then go home. This is where they get that tourist money. So it's a great spot. They are expecting us.

Next up for me is Chiang Mai. It'll be a little less girl focused. Actually a lot less girl focused. Motorcycle ride. Meditation retreat. And maybe a girl or two. I'm not expecting much up there.

After that, it will be back to Bangkok and going on some real dates with the girls that I have lined up over the time I have been here.

There is a very complete report about Thailand its current state, how I fit into it, hopefully it is helpful for someone. Please ask me any questions. Happy to answer anything.

Hey all. Going to be taking my first trip to Bangkok later this month. How close should my hotel be to bars I'm looking to frequent where the girls will be ok walking over to? Is it common to get a taxi or rideshare from the bar back to my hotel with her? Thanks.

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[QUOTE=Mgkckr;2730997]Hey all. Going to be taking my first trip to Bangkok later this month. How close should my hotel be to bars I'm looking to frequent where the girls will be ok walking over to? Is it common to get a taxi or rideshare from the bar back to my hotel with her? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Plenty of nice inexpensive lodging option between Nana BTS and Phrom Phong BTS along Sukhumvit Road. This will put you right next to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. Girls usually don't like to walk very far to your hotel (think high heels). The taxi mafia works Sukhumvit at night but a flat 60/70 Baht if they refuse the meter should take you anywhere in the vicinity. Make sure you are facing the right way on Sukhumvit to your hotel. If you are on the wrong side of the street, the detour will expensive and take time away from your girl.

[QUOTE=Mgkckr;2730997]Hey all. Going to be taking my first trip to Bangkok later this month. How close should my hotel be to bars I'm looking to frequent where the girls will be ok walking over to? Is it common to get a taxi or rideshare from the bar back to my hotel with her? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I stay on Sukhumvit Soi 11 because it is about midway between Nana Plaza and Soi Coyboy (a bit closer to Nana). Most of the go-go girls will walk that distance, I've only had a couple that refused. Soi 11 is also convenient to all the freelancers on the odd Soi side of Sukhumvit between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. The odd side has far more freelancers than the even side.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2731280]I stay on Sukhumvit Soi 11 because it is about midway between Nana Plaza and Soi Coyboy (a bit closer to Nana). Most of the go-go girls will walk that distance, I've only had a couple that refused. Soi 11 is also convenient to all the freelancers on the odd Soi side of Sukhumvit between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. The odd side has far more freelancers than the even side.[/QUOTE]Yes, Soi 11 is well positioned relative to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy as well as the re-emerging Soi 7 collection of bars and, of course, the beer bars on Soi 11 itself. As is Soi 8, directly across Sukhumvit Road from Soi 11.

The only thing I would caution someone about staying on Soi 11 is try to get a hotel room close to Sukhumvit Road. The walk further away from Sukhumvit Road on Soi 11, say all the way down near the new Hillary 11 Bar, Levels disco, Oskar's Bistro and so on can be tedious and imo far enough for you and your Nana Plaza girl to break a sweat on a warm night and far enough to get her wondering how the hell far is your hotel anyway. LOL. Especially, as was pointed out, if she is wearing high heel shoes. Even more so if you're walking with a girl from Soi Cowboy.

And here's the rub about opting for a taxi ride down Soi 11 instead if the idea of walking is a no go; now that tourist levels have been recalling normal times on the busier nights in this area over just the past few weeks, Soi 11 is often a parking lot style traffic jam from top to bottom in both directions, at least as bad as the worst sections of Sukhumvit Road between Asoke and Soi 4. Just one taxi pausing for a minute or two to figure out what his customer or potential customer is talking about means every car and tuk-tuk in the single lane in either direction waits for the problem to get resolved. Until the next problem pops up a few seconds later.

A motorcycle taxi option is much better for the challenge if you're into it. And I realize some are not. But Soi 11 is jam packed so much after dark some evenings now with the new beer bars open and discos reopening that even motorbikes have a tough time maneuvering it all the way down to the end in a reasonable amount of time.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2730949]Take it easy, bro. Do you want me to send you a check too?

I am reporting right now. Are you in Bangkok and desperately in need of this information right this second?

I have been using ThaiFriendly more than anything else, and I went to Nana Plaza.

Nana plaza: It was very busy even on a Sunday night. There were definitely some lookers there on the second level. Lollipops has a very animated and fun little guy trying to get you to go in. Seems like a good place for that quick sort of thing and at decent rates, but maybe like a 6/10 on looks. A couple random spots had the mamasans outside and letting you take a peek behind the curtain but the talent was so so in those shops.

The best talent I saw at Nana was the club directly over lollipops down a little hallway. There were some smoking hot girls hanging around outside it. Also in the far right corner. Some 8/10-9/10 girls.

I wasn't comfortable there. It's not the low pressure USA strip club vibe and with a new Covid surge in Thailand I didn't feel like unmasking and sitting in enclosed areas with a ton of people. I still have a couple weeks left here. I don't need to be sick on vacation. So, I went back and did Thai friendly.

That Friendly: Bangkok is not too many girls looking for customers. Lots of the ones in Bangkok are real and I have budding little relationships brewing with a few. Shaking them out to see who to date still. It takes a while. Thai girls move much more slowly. Plan to take weeks getting to know them before even lunch dates. But they are absolutely sweethearts. Almost every last one. So it's worth the effort if you want more than a short time or long time. The girls on Thai friendly are mostly good girls in Bangkok. Students, workers. They have a decent life and are smart.

Sideline girls: these are mostly just escort agencies doing incalls. A few independents I suppose. I looked at setting up an appointment but didn't feel like schlepping it across town to go to the incall. They do do outcall.

Actual action: I was juggling a dozen Thai friendly girls actively while in Bangkok. They are VERY slow to meet. Even if looking for customers. I did finally get a super hot 24 year old girl to come by. Damages? Something like 3000 baht because I tipped her. Was trying to do by usual long thing, but she was an accredited deepthroat master. Plus, I had been waiting all that time. I made it through like an hour of pornstar level deepthoating before I lost it. Wow. One of the best deep throats of my life.

Then off to pattaya. The heat here is just stupid. I am amazed. It's just a couple hours away from Bangkok and it's on the water so you would think it would be cooler. But no. It's so hot that I walked 20 minutes to the store and I was really dizzy by the time I was at the store. Did not feel well for a while until the air conditioning cooled me. In Pattaya, ThaiFriendly works really well. It works like Seeking does in the United States. You still have to put in a fair amount of time, and juggle lots of girls, but they are more quick to meet here. They will come right over. I have seen two of them so far. Personally, I only get one of these super long sessions a day and then my little guy packs it up and takes a rest until another day. Ha ha. So, I've only seen two of them so far. Even though I have a ton of them lined up waiting to see me. The girls are pretty high-quality down here. And they do themselves up better than Bangkok. I guess Bangkok is a lot more conservative. So they don't wear as much make up, they they don't dress as sexy. But down here in Pattaya, everybody's dressed up and sexy. It's nice. And talk about petite. My personal preference is for girls that are about 5 foot one and 100 pounds. Maybe with implants. I have found plenty of these. Plenty. No shortage at all.

Pattaya itself is pretty boring. It's only about drinking. It's not that nice to look at either. Plus the heat. Not really my favorite town. But, if you are just coming for the girls, I think this is a great destination. This is where all the girls and Thailand go to work. Everybody I talk to has been from other provinces deep in the country. They come down here to work for like a month or something. And then go home. This is where they get that tourist money. So it's a great spot. They are expecting us.

Next up for me is Chiang Mai. It'll be a little less girl focused. Actually a lot less girl focused. Motorcycle ride. Meditation retreat. And maybe a girl or two. I'm not expecting much up there.

After that, it will be back to Bangkok and going on some real dates with the girls that I have lined up over the time I have been here.

There is a very complete report about Thailand its current state, how I fit into it, hopefully it is helpful for someone. Please ask me any questions. Happy to answer anything.[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to report.

I've been to BKK but have never mongered there. I monger in Samui and Phuket. Its interesting to read about your experience with BKK girls and how they differ than Pattaya and Phuket girls.

Looking forward to your Chang Mai report especially since I also ride motorcycles back home.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2731235]Plenty of nice inexpensive lodging option between Nana BTS and Phrom Phong BTS along Sukhumvit Road. This will put you right next to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. Girls usually don't like to walk very far to your hotel (think high heels). The taxi mafia works Sukhumvit at night but a flat 60/70 Baht if they refuse the meter should take you anywhere in the vicinity. Make sure you are facing the right way on Sukhumvit to your hotel. If you are on the wrong side of the street, the detour will expensive and take time away from your girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2731280]I stay on Sukhumvit Soi 11 because it is about midway between Nana Plaza and Soi Coyboy (a bit closer to Nana). Most of the go-go girls will walk that distance, I've only had a couple that refused. Soi 11 is also convenient to all the freelancers on the odd Soi side of Sukhumvit between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. The odd side has far more freelancers than the even side.[/QUOTE]Thanks both! I originally booked Solitaire but it seems that may be a bit too far off the main road based on what you both shared. I'll look for a closer spot instead.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2730949]Take it easy, bro. Do you want me to send you a check too?

I am reporting right now. Are you in Bangkok and desperately in need of this information right this second?

I have been using ThaiFriendly more than anything else, and I went to Nana Plaza.

Nana plaza: It was very busy even on a Sunday night. There were definitely some lookers there on the second level. Lollipops has a very animated and fun little guy trying to get you to go in. Seems like a good place for that quick sort of thing and at decent rates, but maybe like a 6/10 on looks. A couple random spots had the mamasans outside and letting you take a peek behind the curtain but the talent was so so in those shops.

The best talent I saw at Nana was the club directly over lollipops down a little hallway. There were some smoking hot girls hanging around outside it. Also in the far right corner. Some 8/10-9/10 girls.

I wasn't comfortable there. It's not the low pressure USA strip club vibe and with a new Covid surge in Thailand I didn't feel like unmasking and sitting in enclosed areas with a ton of people. I still have a couple weeks left here. I don't need to be sick on vacation. So, I went back and did Thai friendly.

That Friendly: Bangkok is not too many girls looking for customers. Lots of the ones in Bangkok are real and I have budding little relationships brewing with a few. Shaking them out to see who to date still. It takes a while. Thai girls move much more slowly. Plan to take weeks getting to know them before even lunch dates. But they are absolutely sweethearts. Almost every last one. So it's worth the effort if you want more than a short time or long time. The girls on Thai friendly are mostly good girls in Bangkok. Students, workers. They have a decent life and are smart.

Sideline girls: these are mostly just escort agencies doing incalls. A few independents I suppose. I looked at setting up an appointment but didn't feel like schlepping it across town to go to the incall. They do do outcall.

Actual action: I was juggling a dozen Thai friendly girls actively while in Bangkok. They are VERY slow to meet. Even if looking for customers. I did finally get a super hot 24 year old girl to come by. Damages? Something like 3000 baht because I tipped her. Was trying to do by usual long thing, but she was an accredited deepthroat master. Plus, I had been waiting all that time. I made it through like an hour of pornstar level deepthoating before I lost it. Wow. One of the best deep throats of my life.

Then off to pattaya. The heat here is just stupid. I am amazed. It's just a couple hours away from Bangkok and it's on the water so you would think it would be cooler. But no. It's so hot that I walked 20 minutes to the store and I was really dizzy by the time I was at the store. Did not feel well for a while until the air conditioning cooled me. In Pattaya, ThaiFriendly works really well. It works like Seeking does in the United States. You still have to put in a fair amount of time, and juggle lots of girls, but they are more quick to meet here. They will come right over. I have seen two of them so far. Personally, I only get one of these super long sessions a day and then my little guy packs it up and takes a rest until another day. Ha ha. So, I've only seen two of them so far. Even though I have a ton of them lined up waiting to see me. The girls are pretty high-quality down here. And they do themselves up better than Bangkok. I guess Bangkok is a lot more conservative. So they don't wear as much make up, they they don't dress as sexy. But down here in Pattaya, everybody's dressed up and sexy. It's nice. And talk about petite. My personal preference is for girls that are about 5 foot one and 100 pounds. Maybe with implants. I have found plenty of these. Plenty. No shortage at all.

Pattaya itself is pretty boring. It's only about drinking. It's not that nice to look at either. Plus the heat. Not really my favorite town. But, if you are just coming for the girls, I think this is a great destination. This is where all the girls and Thailand go to work. Everybody I talk to has been from other provinces deep in the country. They come down here to work for like a month or something. And then go home. This is where they get that tourist money. So it's a great spot. They are expecting us.

Next up for me is Chiang Mai. It'll be a little less girl focused. Actually a lot less girl focused. Motorcycle ride. Meditation retreat. And maybe a girl or two. I'm not expecting much up there.

After that, it will be back to Bangkok and going on some real dates with the girls that I have lined up over the time I have been here.

There is a very complete report about Thailand its current state, how I fit into it, hopefully it is helpful for someone. Please ask me any questions. Happy to answer anything.[/QUOTE]Your approach and travel plans very similar to mine.

I've been on the apps (Tinder, TF) for several weeks cultivating some potentials, and got some strong leads. My first time too in Pattaya at end of the month and looking forward to seeing how it compares to BKK and Phuket which I have experience of. Also in Chiang Mai on the coming trip. I have a couple of ladies of interest, regular jobs not FL. Also taking in a couple of cooking classes. I might try one of the Sideline girls who looks promising at a good price. As Chiang Mai is more compact than BKK, I don't mind going to the incall address which isn't far from my hotel.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2730949]Take it easy, bro. Do you want me to send you a check too?

I am reporting right now. Are you in Bangkok and desperately in need of this information right this second?

I have been using ThaiFriendly more than anything else, and I went to Nana Plaza.

Nana plaza: It was very busy even on a Sunday night. There were definitely some lookers there on the second level. Lollipops has a very animated and fun little guy trying to get you to go in. Seems like a good place for that quick sort of thing and at decent rates, but maybe like a 6/10 on looks. A couple random spots had the mamasans outside and letting you take a peek behind the curtain but the talent was so so in those shops.

The best talent I saw at Nana was the club directly over lollipops down a little hallway. There were some smoking hot girls hanging around outside it. Also in the far right corner. Some 8/10-9/10 girls.

I wasn't comfortable there. It's not the low pressure USA strip club vibe and with a new Covid surge in Thailand I didn't feel like unmasking and sitting in enclosed areas with a ton of people. I still have a couple weeks left here. I don't need to be sick on vacation. So, I went back and did Thai friendly.

That Friendly: Bangkok is not too many girls looking for customers. Lots of the ones in Bangkok are real and I have budding little relationships brewing with a few. Shaking them out to see who to date still. It takes a while. Thai girls move much more slowly. Plan to take weeks getting to know them before even lunch dates. But they are absolutely sweethearts. Almost every last one. So it's worth the effort if you want more than a short time or long time. The girls on Thai friendly are mostly good girls in Bangkok. Students, workers. They have a decent life and are smart.

Sideline girls: these are mostly just escort agencies doing incalls. A few independents I suppose. I looked at setting up an appointment but didn't feel like schlepping it across town to go to the incall. They do do outcall.

Actual action: I was juggling a dozen Thai friendly girls actively while in Bangkok. They are VERY slow to meet. Even if looking for customers. I did finally get a super hot 24 year old girl to come by. Damages? Something like 3000 baht because I tipped her. Was trying to do by usual long thing, but she was an accredited deepthroat master. Plus, I had been waiting all that time. I made it through like an hour of pornstar level deepthoating before I lost it. Wow. One of the best deep throats of my life.

Then off to pattaya. The heat here is just stupid. I am amazed. It's just a couple hours away from Bangkok and it's on the water so you would think it would be cooler. But no. It's so hot that I walked 20 minutes to the store and I was really dizzy by the time I was at the store. Did not feel well for a while until the air conditioning cooled me. In Pattaya, ThaiFriendly works really well. It works like Seeking does in the United States. You still have to put in a fair amount of time, and juggle lots of girls, but they are more quick to meet here. They will come right over. I have seen two of them so far. Personally, I only get one of these super long sessions a day and then my little guy packs it up and takes a rest until another day. Ha ha. So, I've only seen two of them so far. Even though I have a ton of them lined up waiting to see me. The girls are pretty high-quality down here. And they do themselves up better than Bangkok. I guess Bangkok is a lot more conservative. So they don't wear as much make up, they they don't dress as sexy. But down here in Pattaya, everybody's dressed up and sexy. It's nice. And talk about petite. My personal preference is for girls that are about 5 foot one and 100 pounds. Maybe with implants. I have found plenty of these. Plenty. No shortage at all.

Pattaya itself is pretty boring. It's only about drinking. It's not that nice to look at either. Plus the heat. Not really my favorite town. But, if you are just coming for the girls, I think this is a great destination. This is where all the girls and Thailand go to work. Everybody I talk to has been from other provinces deep in the country. They come down here to work for like a month or something. And then go home. This is where they get that tourist money. So it's a great spot. They are expecting us.

Next up for me is Chiang Mai. It'll be a little less girl focused. Actually a lot less girl focused. Motorcycle ride. Meditation retreat. And maybe a girl or two. I'm not expecting much up there.

After that, it will be back to Bangkok and going on some real dates with the girls that I have lined up over the time I have been here.

There is a very complete report about Thailand its current state, how I fit into it, hopefully it is helpful for someone. Please ask me any questions. Happy to answer anything.[/QUOTE]It would be good if you could give a little more detail about the girls you sessioned in Pattaya.

Two girls you said, ThaiFriendly based it seems, an outline of looks, service, session length and price, all would be useful information.

[QUOTE=Mgkckr;2730997]Hey all, Going to be taking my first trip to Bangkok later this month. How close should my hotel be to bars I'm looking to frequent where the girls will be ok walking over to? Is it common to get a taxi or rideshare from the bar back to my hotel with her? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You definitely want to make sure you get a guest friendly hotel and make sure it is as close as possible to wherever you plan to pick up girls doing the real life thing.

Closer it is, the better mood the girl will be in when you are bringing her back. She doesn't want to waste a lot of time traveling.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2731429]It would be good if you could give a little more detail about the girls you sessioned in Pattaya.

Two girls you said, ThaiFriendly based it seems, an outline of looks, service, session length and price, all would be useful information.[/QUOTE]No problem. First though, I saw somebody talking about all the transportation options. Forget all of them. Just get the Grab app. That's what you need. It is a godsend for everything in Thailand. Gives you a fixed price taxi half the time. And very good rates. Definitely install that before you go.

So one thing I would comment on about luxe is that the girls don't look anything like their pictures. These pictures are heavily processed. You kind of never know what you are going to get. Of course, the pictures are also their best modeling pictures as well as heavily processed. Their body proportions are what you expect, but the little details are really lost in the pictures.

Session length is however long they want it to be. That's just how my thing works that I described earlier. And I spend a fortune doing this stuff compared to most of you guys. So, the damage is huge. I think I did 6000 baht with one girl. 5000 with a different girl. I had when I was trying to meet tonight but I'm so tired. Ha ha. Trying to see if she will come early morning instead. They don't really do that. They are pretty much night owls here. Hard to find anyone in this entire country that gets up anytime before 10 AM.

Sessions are super long with me. I don't do what you guys do so it's really different. It's not the same type of thing. I can't say yeah I did short time for 2000. But that's what they are looking for. In Pattaya. In Bangkok they are trying to get 3000 for that.

I also found that nobody wants to do long time. They're not interested in that. They only want short time.

Sorry for all the fragmentation. But another thought that I had this morning I thought I would share with you guys.

I definitely have been turned down by a few girls who told me, and I quote, "but I like to fuck".

So you will find it is quite different from say, the United States, where girls are more reserved. These girls are just ready to go. And go hard. They really do know what they're doing. And they are enjoying the work. Which is quite the opposite of many places that I have traveled.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2731546]No problem. First though, I saw somebody talking about all the transportation options. Forget all of them. Just get the Grab app. That's what you need. It is a godsend for everything in Thailand. Gives you a fixed price taxi half the time. And very good rates. Definitely install that before you go.

So one thing I would comment on about luxe is that the girls don't look anything like their pictures. These pictures are heavily processed. You kind of never know what you are going to get. Of course, the pictures are also their best modeling pictures as well as heavily processed. Their body proportions are what you expect, but the little details are really lost in the pictures.

Session length is however long they want it to be. That's just how my thing works that I described earlier. And I spend a fortune doing this stuff compared to most of you guys. So, the damage is huge. I think I did 6000 baht with one girl. 5000 with a different girl. I had when I was trying to meet tonight but I'm so tired. Ha ha. Trying to see if she will come early morning instead. They don't really do that. They are pretty much night owls here. Hard to find anyone in this entire country that gets up anytime before 10 AM.

Sessions are super long with me. I don't do what you guys do so it's really different. It's not the same type of thing. I can't say yeah I did short time for 2000. But that's what they are looking for. In Pattaya. In Bangkok they are trying to get 3000 for that.

I also found that nobody wants to do long time. They're not interested in that. They only want short time.[/QUOTE]I also don't like ST. I like LT with overnight so I seek out those girls who provide that service. I pay 6000 THB in Patong for LT-overnight.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2731313]the beer bars on Soi 11 itself.
[/QUOTE]Beware of the beer bars on Soi 11, especially the PDT bar and the one to the right of it as you face them. Bill padding is a common occurrence in these bars and they prey on drunks for this very reason. Use common sense, check your drinks tickets as you receive them and total up yourself before you let some random low IQ cashier do so. Obviously refuse any offers to take you elsewhere to drink after closing time, you'll most likely end up at clip joint with vastly overpriced everything.

Long time is something from the past when even the online thing was not available. Its only short time fuck-and-go transaction, wash-and-go fast money. No 20 yr old girl want to spend 6 hrs in bed hugged by a 60/70 year old gent. They rather spend 1 HR under the rain shower before dissapear.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2731731]I also don't like ST. I like LT with overnight so I seek out those girls who provide that service. I pay 6000 THB in Patong for LT-overnight.[/QUOTE]

Thanks very much for the replies. My firm are looking at The Banyan Tree. It looks great to be honest but appears Mike's away from anywhere? South of Lumphini, it's too far to walk to Nana? I think a motorbike taxi to Patpong will be my best bet? Thanks again everyone.

As stated previously, the Nana Plaza area is not far from Lumpini Park. Although I have walked from Soi 4/ Soi Nana to Lumpini Park many times in only 25 minutes or so, it is probably too far to walk for most for the purpose of mongering. And a walk from the far side of the park relative to Nana Plaza could take as long as 45 minutes.

However, it is easily accessible by taxi. Depending on which side of the park your hotel is located, it might take 20-30 minutes or even a bit more to get to Nana Plaza by car taxi during higher traffic times and only 10-15 minutes by motorcycle taxi almost any time.

Also depending on the location of your hotel relative to the park, the main entrance to Lumpini Park at the corner of Rama 4 and Ratchadamri Road is easy walking distance (maybe 10 minutes at a leisurely pace) to the Thanaya Road, Patpong 1 and 2 bar area as well as the BTS and MRT train stations where you can ride a low cost train to either Nana Plaza (by BTS) or Soi Cowboy (by MRT) in less than 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=Enzo2019;2731747]Beware of the beer bars on Soi 11, especially the PDT bar and the one to the right of it as you face them. Bill padding is a common occurrence in these bars and they prey on drunks for this very reason. Use common sense, check your drinks tickets as you receive them and total up yourself before you let some random low IQ cashier do so. Obviously refuse any offers to take you elsewhere to drink after closing time, you'll most likely end up at clip joint with vastly overpriced everything.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you! Anyway I never drink alcohol because I don't like. I drink only orange juice. But each time, I go in a bar or a gogo, I always ask the price of a lady drink! And when they give me the bill for the first lady drink I always look the ticket. Very often, I want to pay directly after the first drink and the mamasan doesn't like that usually. But I don't care, usually I buy 1 or 2 lady drinks if I like the girl and then I decide if I go my hotel with her or not!

[QUOTE=Walshy;2731921.

Thanks very much for the replies. My firm are looking at The Banyan Tree. It looks great to be honest but appears Mike's away from anywhere? South of Lumphini, it's too far to walk to Nana? I think a motorbike taxi to Patpong will be my best bet? Thanks again everyone. ].

Awesome property and you are is a good location for anything you want. About a 10 min walk to Pat Pong, even closer to the Lumphini MRT station at the park. Take that to Asoke and your near Soi Cowboy. But you might not need to leave the hotel. The sky bar at the hotel is one of the best and most popular in the city. You'll probably find a nice high end freelancer right there.

[QUOTE=Enzo2019;2731747]Beware of the beer bars on Soi 11, especially the PDT bar and the one to the right of it as you face them. Bill padding is a common occurrence in these bars and they prey on drunks for this very reason. Use common sense, check your drinks tickets as you receive them and total up yourself before you let some random low IQ cashier do so. Obviously refuse any offers to take you elsewhere to drink after closing time, you'll most likely end up at clip joint with vastly overpriced everything.[/QUOTE]Bill padding like that has happened so rarely to me in Bangkok bars I wrote it off as an ordinary mistake when it happened to me about a month ago in one of those outside Soi 11 beer bars. And I was stone cold sober, drinking only a soda. That's why I didn't mention it here. I suspect it would happen to me more often if they see me tossing back 3-4 beers at a stop.

I don't remember which bar it was and I have not returned there since. But it fit your description of those two side-by-side bars.

I only had my one drink and bought 2 Lady Drinks. The bill they handed me was for 750 baht! Should have been less than 500 baht. I got it corrected and moved on.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2714456]You regularly hear that there is not really beautiful girls in the BKK in Nana, Cowboy, Patpong.

I agree with this, any super hotties that appear at one of there places get pretty quickly sniped and taken out of the game.

I frequently chat to insta ho types online. That is the new normal to find the super hottie model types and the rates they quote reflect this. Standard rate for these types tend to be anywhere from 7 k to 15 k.[/QUOTE]What is the most effective way you have found to interact with girls on IG and Facebook? Can we communicate in English with them?

So I spent 8 months in Thailand using covid extensions, just left a week ago. I wonder when I can return? I know the official rule is 6 months out of the year can be spent on tourist visas but my guess is immigration will see all of those covid extensions in my passport and might deny me entry. Anyone here use those covid extensions? Was thinking early next year might be too soon to return. But still might try just to see what happens, have a flight and visa to Vietnam set up so if they deny me entry I can just fly on to Vietnam.

Now I will say this. I was offered many types of visas that would have let me stay (after paying a good amount for them). Volunteer or Student visas were the two most mentioned. But my concern was those visas just weren't legit and when you depart the country (eventually) your going to have every visa scrutinized. And being blacklisted from Thailand isn't something I want to happen.

[QUOTE=Gchow;2732582]What is the most effective way you have found to interact with girls on IG and Facebook? Can we communicate in English with them?[/QUOTE]In 2019, I came across a beautiful girl on IG. She was based in Phuket So a few days before I flew I DM-ed her with an irresistible offer to meet me for one drink.

She accepted. We met for one drink. As we left the hotel I made her another irresistible offer. Come to my hotel and she did.

So every night for one week she come meet me after her day job. We'd go to dinner and then spend the night at my hotel. In the morning she'd go to work.

I am not a cheap bastard. Time is a commodity for me. Whatever works for you, works for you.

Hey guys,

First time ever going to Thailand solo and booked a trip for most of September. I read through the pages and will be at a hotel about a 10 minute walk to Soi Sukhumvit 11.

The reports are bit overwhelming a dense, could you guys point me to a beginner's guide and tell me the usual prices to expect, locations, and reliable online escort services? So far I've been to Colombia and Brazil had a really good time, I can take care of myself in many situations.

Thanks guys look forward to getting some help on a basic run down!

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2730949]T...Pattaya itself is pretty boring. It's only about drinking. It's not that nice to look at either. [/QUOTE]That is my problem with Pattaya. No good pool places. No cultural things to see. Just sex. In BKK, I like to have sex in the morning. Tour around Bangkok. Play pool. Eat and have more sex later that night. LOL.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2730949]Next up for me is Chiang Mai. It'll be a little less girl focused. Actually a lot less girl focused. Motorcycle ride. Meditation retreat. And maybe a girl or two. I'm not expecting much up there.[/QUOTE]Check out Sukhothai and Phitsinulok.

Sukhothai is an old historical place. Really chill and pretty. I like hanging out there a day or two. Skip it if it is burning season. It gets really hazy.

Phitsinulok is a college town with great food and the train north to Chiang Mai which is fun to use going north. Use the second class train. You see more. No AC though. The train south to BKK is long and grueling. Not worth it. You can fly into Sukhothai for $26 most of the time from DMK.

I have not found sex in either place even though I know it is there. Phitsinulok has the Thai fish bowl places. It also has college girls that will totally approach you when they have been drinking. It is a little fun.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2731716]S...So you will find it is quite different from say, the United States, where girls are more reserved. These girls are just ready to go. And go hard. They really do know what they're doing. And they are enjoying the work. Which is quite the opposite of many places that I have traveled.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons I love Thailand!

Best way to get BBFS?

What massage parlors offer BBFS?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2732703]That is my problem with Pattaya. No good pool places. No cultural things to see. Just sex. In BKK, I like to have sex in the morning. Tour around Bangkok. Play pool. Eat and have more sex later that night. LOL.

Check out Sukhothai and Phitsinulok.

Sukhothai is an old historical place. Really chill and pretty. I like hanging out there a day or two. Skip it if it is burning season. It gets really hazy.

Phitsinulok is a college town with great food and the train north to Chiang Mai which is fun to use going north. Use the second class train. You see more. No AC though. The train south to BKK is long and grueling. Not worth it. You can fly into Sukhothai for $26 most of the time from DMK.

I have not found sex in either place even though I know it is there. Phitsinulok has the Thai fish bowl places. It also has college girls that will totally approach you when they have been drinking. It is a little fun.[/QUOTE]Phits got what Yai and the Phra Buddha Chinnarat. Loaded with Thai tourists and the vendors and markets that cater to them. Farangs get a lot of interest.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2658394]In addition to Thaifriendly, there's also Thaiflirting. Totally free and no waiting around 10 minutes between sending messages.

I also just recently discovered a treasure trove of websites featuring 'sideline' girls. All in Thai, of course, but google will translate for you. The prices are sure a lot better than what most of you numbskulls seem all to eager to pay as well. Check and report back. Go.[/QUOTE]I find some of these links work (my pc or server blocks others).

I like the idea of visiting one of these sideline girls, a real student, who does it on the side, not a pro. A link offered for massage in the Chiang Mai thread ([URL]https://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-all-about-touch-massage-chiang-mai-p227[/URL]) goes to a site which gives a decent summary too of the sideline operators, and nice breakdowns of the numerous types of massage available at reliable shops.

I did a sample Line contact and asked one if she was a pro or student. As expected from her hours of availability, she was a pro.

As ever, the google translation of some of the phrases of what the girls do and don't do is somewhat confusing. If anyone can offer decent translations of some of the more confusing translations. Some are quite clear; no back door, for instance.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2732601]So I spent 8 months in Thailand using covid extensions, just left a week ago. I wonder when I can return? I know the official rule is 6 months out of the year can be spent on tourist visas but my guess is immigration will see all of those covid extensions in my passport and might deny me entry. Anyone here use those covid extensions? Was thinking early next year might be too soon to return. But still might try just to see what happens, have a flight and visa to Vietnam set up so if they deny me entry I can just fly on to Vietnam.

Now I will say this. I was offered many types of visas that would have let me stay (after paying a good amount for them). Volunteer or Student visas were the two most mentioned. But my concern was those visas just weren't legit and when you depart the country (eventually) your going to have every visa scrutinized. And being blacklisted from Thailand isn't something I want to happen.[/QUOTE]There is a new 10-year Long Term Visa being offered starting Sept. 10. [URL]https://home.kpmg/xx/en/home/insights/2022/06/flash-alert-2022-127.html[/URL]

So searching the thread, I haven't seen any info particularly for fans of titty fucking.

I've visted a few BJ bars and massage places but all of the girls I've seen werent very well endowed in the chest area to be giving a good paizuri to finish on chest experience.

Does anyone have any leads on a bar or massage or even escort service with very good level titty fucking?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2727570]Let me give you a possible recommendation. The woman is not by any means attractive unless you're into the "BBW" look, but she gives a very good massage, and she followed it by a very good deepthroat BJ (just keep your eyes closed) that included rimming in my case (perhaps since I asked to use the shower before my massage).

I had just exited a BJ bar and walked a bit further down the street looking to find a good Thai massage for some further relaxation. I've had a lot of Thai massages over the years, so I think I know what is bad, mediocre, and good, and this was a very good massage worthy of returning for. Given her looks and me just having exited a BJ bar two minutes earlier, I was not planning on anything more than a massage, but while the small 24 year old and reasonably attractive BJ girl spent 30 minutes before I ejaculated into her mouth, this big massage woman had me shooting into her mouth within 10 minutes. Didn't mention anything about money beforehand, but held her hand out discretely while I was walking down afterwards and I slipped her a 1000 baht note which seemed to satisfy her.

I'm thinking FS would be easily available too if logistics allow and you want that. My Thai massage was in a big shared room with curtains between the mattresses, so unless you're the only customer at the time, FS would not be available there, but possibly they have private rooms too, though I did not see any.

Shop is "Top Thai massage and spa 2" on Sukhumvit 33, about 500 meters down the road on the right side. Name of woman is Rin, pronounced "Riiiin".[/QUOTE]What blowbob bar had you just exited? A 30 minute blowjob from a 24 year old sounds pretty good right now, LOL!

[QUOTE=Vector313;2732949]So searching the thread, I haven't seen any info particularly for fans of titty fucking.

I've visted a few BJ bars and massage places but all of the girls I've seen werent very well endowed in the chest area to be giving a good paizuri to finish on chest experience.

Does anyone have any leads on a bar or massage or even escort service with very good level titty fucking?[/QUOTE]Wood Bar had a reasonably attractive 30-ies old woman with bigger boobs and good service working there a few weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Redwing;2732982]What blowbob bar had you just exited? A 30 minute blowjob from a 24 year old sounds pretty good right now, LOL![/QUOTE]That would probably be 7 Heaven on suk 33.

ST 3000 Thb, LT 6000 Thb?

Are these reasonable rates?

[QUOTE=Golds;2733132]ST 3000 Thb, LT 6000 Thb?

Are these reasonable rates?[/QUOTE]If she is very hot, young and in demand she will get 3 k / 6 k without a problem at a GoGo. Only 10% of girls in a GoGO will be able to get that in the current economic climate.

The less hot, less young and less in demand she is will see what she will take come down. Most average girls will take 2 to 2 1/2ST or 4 to 5 k LT in a GoGO BAR.

For a freelancer to get 3 k / 6 k she would have to be very young and very hot, somebody in her early 20's and HOT. Most younger freelancers will take 2 k / 4 k. If they are above 30 years old they will strugggle to get that.

For ladies over 35 on say Thaifriendly or at beer bars the rates are going to be less than $2 k ST.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2733151]If she is very hot, young and in demand she will get 3 k / 6 k without a problem at a GoGo. Only 10% of girls in a GoGO will be able to get that in the current economic climate.

The less hot, less young and less in demand she is will see what she will take come down. Most average girls will take 2 to 2 1/2ST or 4 to 5 k LT in a GoGO BAR.

For a freelancer to get 3 k / 6 k she would have to be very young and very hot, somebody in her early 20's and HOT. Most younger freelancers will take 2 k / 4 k. If they are above 30 years old they will strugggle to get that.

For ladies over 35 on say Thaifriendly or at beer bars the rates are going to be less than $2 k ST.[/QUOTE]What are the chances to date an HOOTERS girl?

[QUOTE=Golds;2733170]What are the chances to date an HOOTERS girl?[/QUOTE]Here you go: [URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2022/08/18/miss-hooters-beauty-pageant-2022-is-back-in-pattaya-open-casting-call/[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=Golds;2733170]What are the chances to date an HOOTERS girl?[/QUOTE]Anything is possible in Thailand if you have deep enough pockets.

Rainbow 5 Thursday Aug 18 80 Plus Girls.

Rainbow 4 30 Plus Girls.

Butterflies. More Girls than Rainbow 4, Some Topless.

My first trip to BKK is finally happening this month.

1. Hotel & Soi 7 & outcalls.

Staying at a hotel on soi 7 for ten days. I called the front desk asking policy on girls in rooms. "As long as no overnight. Guests ok. " Later I booked on their website for two adults so maybe I could have a girl overnight. I'll ask again when I get there.

If I order an outcall, do I need to meet the girl in lobby / street and walk her in? Can she just come to my room on her own? If I pull street talent or barfine, can I just walk her in or do I need to stop by the front desk? I suppose I'll figure all this out when I'm there.

I mainly chose the hotel due to relative proximity to Nana plaza and BTS. I didn't realize it was so close to the soi 7 beer bars which look to be a fun, convenient way to barfine girls and walk 2 minutes to my room. But with some girls being there just for show, the ever-changing scene affected by covid, re-openings and police, soi 7 could be hit or miss. I partake in the MILF talent of my home city. I wouldn't run away from a talented, late 40's beergarden pro if she's dirty, slutty, sexy and price is right.

2. Soapys.

I'm keen to try a high-end soapy experience. Recommendations? Unsure if Poseidon, Colonze, Emmanuelle, Nancy, Black Caviar are open. I'm leaning toward La Belle or Nancy. I've read that arriving early makes for the best girl selection. Like 4-5 pm. I just want to have a mind-blowing experience that I will remember until I die. Happy to pay for the ultimate PSE thrill ride with wild uninhibited girls, (not sweet, innocent starfish) . 2 x girls? VIP room?

Tulip. Like I said before, I partake in milfs in my home city. Usually BB. I'll probably end up here at some point unless I find success negotiating BB elsewhere.

Go gos & bars. I'll definitely hit up nana plaza and cowboy frequently. But if I feel like I'm being targeted as an easy mark for pocket-emptying girl drinks or doubled drink scams, its going to get old real fast. Sipping a beer and watching girls on the pole without a whole lot of aggressiveness sounds fun—with an option to barfine if I find an irresistible gem. I want to make a list of "must see" bars that are NOT at the Plaza and Cowboy. Suggestions appreciated.

3. Street talent.

Is Thermae just a cafe that just happens to be a hub of FL activity? Curious if the walk from Thermae to soi 7 is short enough for a girl in heels. I might be inclined to change things up and bring an African girl back. But I've had some seriously bad experiences with black girls in the US. American black girls are all about the hustle and scam. Its rare to find a black provider with integrity. I would hope non-american black girls would be more fun, less scammy.

4. Online.

I'm inclined to work fiwfans but I can't speak Thai.

5. Tinder.

I'm matching civilian girls and they're fun to talk to. Not sure I want to spend a whole day on a date with them that doesn't end in wild, all-night sex. Since I'm only in town for 10 days.

Off-topic: Anyone know of a place where I can buy decent quality CBD tincture? I'the rather not fly with it. Reddit has been unhelpful. No THC. Just CBD.

Hello fellow mongers.

Returning back to BKK in a month, I was there last just before covid hit.

Coming from Canada wondering what is the best method for getting Baht. Change in Canada at the bank, get USD then change to Baht in BKK but I feel I would be getting ripped by doing to separate exchanges if so where is the best place and then obviously pulling out from ATM as needed as I don't want to be carrying two weeks of fun time cash with me. I will head to Lao or Cambodia after a few days in BKK then back to Pattaya for a week. Do I need a multi entry visa or will I just get another 30 day toursit visa on my return?

I arrive pretty late so will take a taxi from BKK. My understanding is about 300 baht to Nana How do I ensure I am not getting ripped off?

Planning to stay at the Novotel on Sukhumvit 4 , I don't need anything too fancy as long as they clean the room every day. If anyone has any suggestions in that area for a similar budget recommendations are appreciated.

My last experience with the GOGO and Beer Bars in BKK were pretty miss. I will probably still check out the GoGos for fun but will relay mostly on Smooci or Bangkok Golden Escort. I understand it's more money but hoping through some research and vetting will increase the chance of damn good time. Daytime action will be from Doki Doki, Kokoro maybe Tulip. It was a good nasty experience last time but the girls neither the place looked that great, but I will none the less check it out and give everyone a sitrep of the escorts, bars, massage places and whatever might be useful to the members here.

My plan on returning back to Thailand is head down to Pattaya for a week. Have never been before. Plan is to entertain myself with a mix of GC, beer bars, free lancers and maybe a night club.

My plan is to stay at the Holiday Inn Express, seems like decent value. Again not planning on spending too much time in the hotel other than for business, but of course recommendations are appreciated.

If anyone has some answers to some of my questions that would be awesome and look forward to giving a good solid report or two.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2733861]Hello fellow mongers.

Returning back to BKK in a month, I was there last just before covid hit.

Coming from Canada wondering what is the best method for getting Baht. Change in Canada at the bank, get USD then change to Baht in BKK but I feel I would be getting ripped by doing to separate exchanges if so where is the best place and then obviously pulling out from ATM as needed as I don't want to be carrying two weeks of fun time cash with me. I will head to Lao or Cambodia after a few days in BKK then back to Pattaya for a week. Do I need a multi entry visa or will I just get another 30 day toursit visa on my return?

I arrive pretty late so will take a taxi from BKK. My understanding is about 300 baht to Nana How do I ensure I am not getting ripped off?

Planning to stay at the Novotel on Sukhumvit 4 , I don't need anything too fancy as long as they clean the room every day. If anyone has any suggestions in that area for a similar budget recommendations are appreciated.

My last experience with the GOGO and Beer Bars in BKK were pretty miss. I will probably still check out the GoGos for fun but will relay mostly on Smooci or Bangkok Golden Escort. I understand it's more money but hoping through some research and vetting will increase the chance of damn good time. Daytime action will be from Doki Doki, Kokoro maybe Tulip. It was a good nasty experience last time but the girls neither the place looked that great, but I will none the less check it out and give everyone a sitrep of the escorts, bars, massage places and whatever might be useful to the members here.

My plan on returning back to Thailand is head down to Pattaya for a week. Have never been before. Plan is to entertain myself with a mix of GC, beer bars, free lancers and maybe a night club.

My plan is to stay at the Holiday Inn Express, seems like decent value. Again not planning on spending too much time in the hotel other than for business, but of course recommendations are appreciated.

If anyone has some answers to some of my questions that would be awesome and look forward to giving a good solid report or two.[/QUOTE]If you can bring $US in cash and then go to a money changer linke "Superrich" they will give you baht for virtually no exchange costs. If you use ATM's then you will most likely be paying 2% to 4% depending on your card. ATM is probably safer, I personally like cash!

Taxi's from the airport now are a lot better. They lineup and you get given a ticket etc. Just jump in and make sure the turn the meter on. Some will try it on by saying 500 fixed fare, just say meter and point and they will turn it on and it will run 300+ change. They will also ask to if you want the motorway or not. You pay the tolls on the motorway by giving cash to the driver. I think it is 70 baht in total. The time saving is worth the $2.

Novotel on Sukhumvit 4 is great. I have stayed there many times, it is worth paying the extra couple of bucks to get a high floor facing the city as the views are really nice. They also have an Ibis attached to the same complex for about 2/3 the cost. Very guest friendly, as it is on soi 4 you will see plently of guests up and down the elevators. I fondly remember having breakfast there with one of Nana's finest. We sat down next to a HiSo local Thai couple who were horrified at me and my Isan Princess. The look on their faces were priceless - 555.

Hi mongers,

I am a silent reader of the forum, I will be in Bangkok on Monday for a full week. Have already shortlisted a few girls for the trip from TF and other online platforms, rest will pick up from street / bars from this beautiful, unique and magnificent city. Can someone post photos of girls so one knows the current quality in the city. I feel helps one and all. Keep banging and play safe, cheers!

[QUOTE=Fjrk76;2733812]
4. Online.
I'm inclined to work fiwfans but I can't speak Thai.
5. Tinder.
[/QUOTE]Instead, try Thai Friendly as there are a bunch of girls there that are freelancers. It's quite easy to look at profiles to find out who freelances, mark them as favourites but don't waste time contacting them before arrival. Getting Premium [B]WHEN[/B] you arrive is a good idea as you can then send unlimited messages. Be polite as many girls will not be freelancers, it's not like Pattaya. Also get Line to communicate, ask if they freelance and their Line ID.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2733959]If you can bring $US in cash and then go to a money changer linke "Superrich" they will give you baht for virtually no exchange costs. If you use ATM's then you will most likely be paying 2% to 4% depending on your card. ATM is probably safer, I personally like cash!

Taxi's from the airport now are a lot better. They lineup and you get given a ticket etc. Just jump in and make sure the turn the meter on. Some will try it on by saying 500 fixed fare, just say meter and point and they will turn it on and it will run 300+ change. They will also ask to if you want the motorway or not. You pay the tolls on the motorway by giving cash to the driver. I think it is 70 baht in total. The time saving is worth the $2.

Novotel on Sukhumvit 4 is great. I have stayed there many times, it is worth paying the extra couple of bucks to get a high floor facing the city as the views are really nice. They also have an Ibis attached to the same complex for about 2/3 the cost. Very guest friendly, as it is on soi 4 you will see plently of guests up and down the elevators. I fondly remember having breakfast there with one of Nana's finest. We sat down next to a HiSo local Thai couple who were horrified at me and my Isan Princess. The look on their faces were priceless - 555.[/QUOTE]Thanks MaxBKK,

I would of loved to see the look on their faces as well. I stayed and the ibis down the street last time. I don't mind paying a bit more. The room smelled like the inside of a bleach bottle.

Is there a superrich at the airport? I have no idea how easy it will be to get baht ahead of time in Canada plus I know I will need USD for Lao so will bring some with the ATM as a reserve fund LOL. So Taxi should be about 300 give or take plus the the extra 70 for motorway tolls?

Cheers again!

There is a SuperRich on the lower level of the airport. It's in the general direction of the train into the city but it helps if you know where you are going beforehand.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2734123]Thanks MaxBKK,

I would of loved to see the look on their faces as well. I stayed and the ibis down the street last time. I don't mind paying a bit more. The room smelled like the inside of a bleach bottle.

Is there a superrich at the airport? I have no idea how easy it will be to get baht ahead of time in Canada plus I know I will need USD for Lao so will bring some with the ATM as a reserve fund LOL. So Taxi should be about 300 give or take plus the the extra 70 for motorway tolls?

Cheers again![/QUOTE]

"It's better to ask forgiveness than permission".

[QUOTE=Fjrk76;2733812]My first trip to BKK is finally happening this month.

1. Hotel & Soi 7 & outcalls.

Staying at a hotel on soi 7 for ten days. I called the front desk asking policy on girls in rooms. "As long as no overnight. Guests ok. " Later I booked on their website for two adults so maybe I could have a girl overnight. I'll ask again when I get there.

If I order an outcall, do I need to meet the girl in lobby / street and walk her in? Can she just come to my room on her own? If I pull street talent or barfine, can I just walk her in or do I need to stop by the front desk? I suppose I'll figure all this out when I'm there.

I mainly chose the hotel due to relative proximity to Nana plaza and BTS. I didn't realize it was so close to the soi 7 beer bars which look to be a fun, convenient way to barfine girls and walk 2 minutes to my room. But with some girls being there just for show, the ever-changing scene affected by covid, re-openings and police, soi 7 could be hit or miss. I partake in the MILF talent of my home city. I wouldn't run away from a talented, late 40's beergarden pro if she's dirty, slutty, sexy and price is right.

2. Soapys.

I'm keen to try a high-end soapy experience. Recommendations? Unsure if Poseidon, Colonze, Emmanuelle, Nancy, Black Caviar are open. I'm leaning toward La Belle or Nancy. I've read that arriving early makes for the best girl selection. Like 4-5 pm. I just want to have a mind-blowing experience that I will remember until I die. Happy to pay for the ultimate PSE thrill ride with wild uninhibited girls, (not sweet, innocent starfish) . 2 x girls? VIP room?

Tulip. Like I said before, I partake in milfs in my home city. Usually BB. I'll probably end up here at some point unless I find success negotiating BB elsewhere.

Go gos & bars. I'll definitely hit up nana plaza and cowboy frequently. But if I feel like I'm being targeted as an easy mark for pocket-emptying girl drinks or doubled drink scams, its going to get old real fast. Sipping a beer and watching girls on the pole without a whole lot of aggressiveness sounds funwith an option to barfine if I find an irresistible gem. I want to make a list of "must see" bars that are NOT at the Plaza and Cowboy. Suggestions appreciated.

3. Street talent.

Is Thermae just a cafe that just happens to be a hub of FL activity? Curious if the walk from Thermae to soi 7 is short enough for a girl in heels. I might be inclined to change things up and bring an African girl back. But I've had some seriously bad experiences with black girls in the US. American black girls are all about the hustle and scam. Its rare to find a black provider with integrity. I would hope non-american black girls would be more fun, less scammy.

4. Online.

I'm inclined to work fiwfans but I can't speak Thai.

5. Tinder.

I'm matching civilian girls and they're fun to talk to. Not sure I want to spend a whole day on a date with them that doesn't end in wild, all-night sex. Since I'm only in town for 10 days.

Off-topic: Anyone know of a place where I can buy decent quality CBD tincture? I'the rather not fly with it. Reddit has been unhelpful. No THC. Just CBD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2733959]If you can bring $US in cash and then go to a money changer linke "Superrich" they will give you baht for virtually no exchange costs. If you use ATM's then you will most likely be paying 2% to 4% depending on your card. ATM is probably safer, I personally like cash!

Taxi's from the airport now are a lot better. They lineup and you get given a ticket etc. Just jump in and make sure the turn the meter on. Some will try it on by saying 500 fixed fare, just say meter and point and they will turn it on and it will run 300+ change. They will also ask to if you want the motorway or not. You pay the tolls on the motorway by giving cash to the driver. I think it is 70 baht in total. The time saving is worth the $2.

Novotel on Sukhumvit 4 is great. I have stayed there many times, it is worth paying the extra couple of bucks to get a high floor facing the city as the views are really nice. They also have an Ibis attached to the same complex for about 2/3 the cost. Very guest friendly, as it is on soi 4 you will see plently of guests up and down the elevators. I fondly remember having breakfast there with one of Nana's finest. We sat down next to a HiSo local Thai couple who were horrified at me and my Isan Princess. The look on their faces were priceless - 555.[/QUOTE]How do I get the top floor rooms, are those the deluxe rooms? Something I ask for upon check-in?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2734202]There is a SuperRich on the lower level of the airport. It's in the general direction of the train into the city but it helps if you know where you are going beforehand.[/QUOTE]SuperRich is the best option at the airport for sure. They are certainly not open 24 hours a day though, so depending on the time you are transiting BKK that can be problematic.

Anyone in the lower Suk area should check out Vasu Exchange: [URL]http://www.vasuexchange.com/[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2734235]SuperRich is the best option at the airport for sure. They are certainly not open 24 hours a day though, so depending on the time you are transiting BKK that can be problematic.

Anyone in the lower Suk area should check out Vasu Exchange: [URL]http://www.vasuexchange.com/[/URL].

SL.[/QUOTE]Probably 1 to 2 baht better than the airport.

I don't see why so many people exchange home country cash for Thai cash. My ATM card has worked perfectly and it gives a better exchange rate than posted at the cash exchange places. You do need to get an ATM card that charges no fees and reimburses the Thailand ATM fees (e.g., Schwab and Fidelity). I do bring some cash and a second ATM card for any possible emergency, but so far I haven't had an emergency. The airport ATMs are open 24/7.

Indians in Lollipop. Indian see girl he interested in. Tells her to turn around. She wouldn't.

Girls friend says take me. Indian say Cannot.

Indians do spend money.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2734286] My ATM card has worked perfectly and it gives a better exchange rate than posted at the cash exchange places. You do need to get an ATM card that charges no fees and reimburses the Thailand ATM fees (e.g., Schwab and Fidelity). I do bring some cash and a second ATM card for any possible emergency, but so far I haven't had an emergency. The airport ATMs are open 24/7.[/QUOTE]I have been using the Schwab ATM card since 2014. It changed how I travel. I used to bring a ton of Dollars on every trip. Now I bring $1,000 in cash for backup and emergencies and I never use it. But let's be clear on one thing:

The Schwab Debit Card has no ATM fees and offers unlimited ATM fee reimbursement plus no foreign transaction fees on withdrawals made abroad.

The Fidelity Debit Card has no ATM fees and offers unlimited ATM fee reimbursement, but it charges a 1% foreign transaction fee on withdrawals made outside of the USA.

Take your pick or you can just carry a wad of cash in your suitcase. Hey, I remember when people used to bring traveler cheques.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2734286]I don't see why so many people exchange home country cash for Thai cash. My ATM card has worked perfectly and it gives a better exchange rate than posted at the cash exchange places. You do need to get an ATM card that charges no fees and reimburses the Thailand ATM fees (e.g., Schwab and Fidelity). I do bring some cash and a second ATM card for any possible emergency, but so far I haven't had an emergency. The airport ATMs are open 24/7.[/QUOTE]So I can use my Schwab card at a good exchange rate and they waive ATM fees just like in the US? Great to hear. I have Fidelity as well. I'm planning on paying for most lodging before I go, if I need to pay with a Schwab card at a store do they nick you with fees?

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2734235]SuperRich is the best option at the airport for sure. They are certainly not open 24 hours a day though, so depending on the time you are transiting BKK that can be problematic.

Anyone in the lower Suk area should check out Vasu Exchange: [URL]http://www.vasuexchange.com/[/URL].

SL.[/QUOTE]Generally they demand notes be in pristine or very good condition IME, and advised elsewhere.

€100 and €500 notes get marginally better rate than lower denominations. Probably same for US dollar etc.

Also they have a branch in the Nana BTS IIRC.

Did someone say they tipped the cashiers?! The north American tipping practices really beggar belief. Though in Italy we don't even tip waiters so I may be out of touch with what's expected in the world of tipping. LOL.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2734286]I don't see why so many people exchange home country cash for Thai cash. My ATM card has worked perfectly and it gives a better exchange rate than posted at the cash exchange places. You do need to get an ATM card that charges no fees and reimburses the Thailand ATM fees (e.g., Schwab and Fidelity). I do bring some cash and a second ATM card for any possible emergency, but so far I haven't had an emergency. The airport ATMs are open 24/7.[/QUOTE]We're not all from the US. Our banks charge a lot per transaction and we don't want to pay the Thai ATM fee.

I always take a lot of cash and spend only the cash, but I still have the credit card in case of emergency.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2734286]I don't see why so many people exchange home country cash for Thai cash. My ATM card has worked perfectly and it gives a better exchange rate than posted at the cash exchange places. You do need to get an ATM card that charges no fees and reimburses the Thailand ATM fees (e.g., Schwab and Fidelity). I do bring some cash and a second ATM card for any possible emergency, but so far I haven't had an emergency. The airport ATMs are open 24/7.[/QUOTE]It's because few people open accounts with that in mind, and in other countries finding a good bank that does this can be hard.

Was wondering if the African working girls are back on Sukhumvit Road and soi 4? The last time I was there just before the pandemic, the Thai Immigration had rounded them up and deported them, I was always found them fun to be around, I will be coming there in December.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;2734371]Generally they demand notes be in pristine or very good condition IME, and advised elsewhere.

100 and 500 notes get marginally better rate than lower denominations. Probably same for US dollar etc.

Also they have a branch in the Nana BTS IIRC.

Did someone say they tipped the cashiers?! The north American tipping practices really beggar belief. Though in Italy we don't even tip waiters so I may be out of touch with what's expected in the world of tipping. LOL.[/QUOTE]I tip everybody. It's generally only $1 or less. In venues where I am a regular, people run to serve me and I made someones life better.

That's just my style, everyone is free to do what they want. But I always try to play the jai dee farang, splash some change, smile, joke etc.

Try it.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2734295]The Fidelity Debit Card has no ATM fees and offers unlimited ATM fee reimbursement, but it charges a 1% foreign transaction fee on withdrawals made outside of the USA.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised to hear about that 1% fee, I suspect not everybody pays it.

Many times I have checked the exchange rate per [URL]XE.com[/URL] and then immediately used a Thailand ATM. I consistently get the [URL]XE.com[/URL] rate without any 1% fee. Perhaps there are different types of accounts at Fidelity and some have the 1% fee and others don't.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2734396]We're not all from the US. Our banks charge a lot per transaction and we don't want to pay the Thai ATM fee.

I always take a lot of cash and spend only the cash, but I still have the credit card in case of emergency.[/QUOTE]If you come here often enough then open a Thai bank account, even tourist can do so.

Then just use one of the transfer apps, I use WISE, and load up your Thai account, then withdraw at an ATM.

Charges are absolutely minimal.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2734521]I'm surprised to hear about that 1% fee, I suspect not everybody pays it.

Many times I have checked the exchange rate per [URL]XE.com[/URL] and then immediately used a Thailand ATM. I consistently get the [URL]XE.com[/URL] rate without any 1% fee. Perhaps there are different types of accounts at Fidelity and some have the 1% fee and others don't.[/QUOTE]I am sure it is possible, but then the bank probably has a minimum balance requirement or minimum brokerage asset requirement. For example, I know that Chase and Wells Fargo both offer no ATM Fee Debit cards for large balance checking accounts ($25,000 minimum if memory serves). But Schwab has no minimum checking account balance requirements and no fees. That is all I am saying.

[URL]https://lifehacker.com/avoid-atm-fees-with-these-debit-cards-1849165852[/URL]

[QUOTE=ManchesterLad1;2732760]Best way to get BBFS?

What massage parlors offer BBFS?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]They all practise BBFS in Pattaya. Just few ladies ask more money fore BBFS.

Hottest Hello Girl Ever.

2nd floor Nana Plaza. Right up from Shrine. Might be Random Bar.

Will go with Customers. 3,000 baht. Would partake if only Short Time Rooms available.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2735144]Hottest Hello Girl Ever.

2nd floor Nana Plaza. Right up from Shrine. Might be Random Bar.

Will go with Customers. 3,000 baht. Would partake if only Short Time Rooms available.[/QUOTE]Could you give a more precise location. ? Can you give a better description of this girl? Fake books? Nature? Tatts? Dark Skin or light?

If you pass the shrine and head up escalator Random is a hard left at top and then the first bar you see. There is also a nother bar to the right where a bunch of girls will try and grab you as you leave the escalator.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2735188]Could you give a more precise location. ? Can you give a better description of this girl? Fake books? Nature? Tatts? Dark Skin or light?

If you pass the shrine and head up escalator Random is a hard left at top and then the first bar you see. There is also a nother bar to the right where a bunch of girls will try and grab you as you leave the escalator.[/QUOTE]I've posted links to about three you tube vids in Patta thread of real girls. You can see the type of girls I go for. No Silly cone is a must. Not a fan of huge tattoos. More just good looking girls with with decent Body. Smallish breast are ok.

Definitely light skin for me.

Girl has nice pleasing personality too. Bigger than average tits. One might say they are Large.

Simply put she is about as far on the opposite of the Spectrum from Polly Pons.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2734533]If you come here often enough then open a Thai bank account, even tourist can do so.

Then just use one of the transfer apps, I use WISE, and load up your Thai account, then withdraw at an ATM.

Charges are absolutely minimal.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice.

I already have a Thai account but I don't know if I can load it with a transfer app.

I used to load it directly at the desk once I exchanged a lot of money.

I'll have a look at wise, thanks again.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2735188]Could you give a more precise location. ? Can you give a better description of this girl? Fake books? Nature? Tatts? Dark Skin or light?

If you pass the shrine and head up escalator Random is a hard left at top and then the first bar you see. There is also a nother bar to the right where a bunch of girls will try and grab you as you leave the escalator.[/QUOTE]At the top of the escalator on the right as you enter Nana Plaza, hard, hair pin left is Random II and you won't miss the looker working at the door if she is on duty.

Random (I) is at the top of the first flight of steps (not the escalator) on the left side as you enter the Plaza.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2735223]Thanks for the advice.

I already have a Thai account but I don't know if I can load it with a transfer app.

I used to load it directly at the desk once I exchanged a lot of money.

I'll have a look at wise, thanks again.[/QUOTE]Wise is great, used it for years to fund my Thai account.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2735259]At the top of the escalator on the right as you enter Nana Plaza, hard, hair pin left is Random II and you won't miss the looker working at the door if she is on duty.

Random (I) is at the top of the first flight of steps (not the escalator) on the left side as you enter the Plaza.[/QUOTE]I know the girl you refer to on the door at Random II. She is hot and definitely stands out. I asked her about 4 to 6 weeks ago if she could be bar fined and she said no.

As anything is possible in BKK, she may have changed her mind. Would be interesting to know if she is definitely up for it now.