Bangkok Reports

Hi.

Did anyone brought back Androgel topical TRT (without prescription) to Europe? Is it a problem with airport security if taken in carry on bag?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2751781]As an American, I can sure join in that sentiment. We have too much wokeness, hypocrisy, TDS etc and especially now with the election coming, the press jackals are sreeching even louder. Its going to be nice to be in a place where I'm not a deplorable, gun obsessed, fascist-rascist climate and election denier, but just another jai dee farang. December can't come fast enough, assuming all familial responsibilities fall into place.[/QUOTE]Abouts Dirty American s and the Face Musk issue.

Post COVID American s are number 47 in amount of Tourists. Maskeless Farangs are more likely from Europe.

Number 1 country sending tourists might be Indians. Number 2 Myanmar. Number 3 Malaysia. Or some kind of wackyness.

Really does make sense avg spend per tourist is way down.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2749833]X-Ray Kapoo: The one and only 'Kapoo' joint I tried. Just to see what the fuss is all about and in the end it's really just another type of place to pick girls from, that's very reminiscent of all the other massage / soapie*type deals. To be honest I can't*really tell the difference, there were subtle*things like the place itself is nice and snazzy, the staff seemed to be more geared towards expecting you to be local, and the girls are supposed to be hotter. Are they though? I picked Nana from the photos and I'm okay with that since they gave me the option to wait to see her in real life. And the fun thing was they did this weird discount thing. But even more fun was they said I get to pick a uniform for Nana to wear, so in the corner were all these costumes and dresses, and while waiting for Nana to get ready, I picked the Thai college uniform, you know the white shirt and black skirt ensemble. Sexy. Was that*ringworm I saw on her armpit? No matter. She was nice enough, a bit distant at first, but opened up by the end, good sex, can't even remember now if it was BBBJ or not, I came in doggy while she had the skirt off, her shirt was on and unbuttoned, sexy as hell. *.[/QUOTE]Is this a BJ only or FS offered place? Please shed some light, this is on my list.

And other question, is this the place - [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/KPCNosMZ31bUDd1SA[/URL] ??

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2751082]RuenThai: This spot is literally next door to BKK Happy and I swear everytime I walk by, a girl from inside would open the door to beckon me in. Sometimes girls are actually quite hot. But the place looks a little run down, the signage, and there's zero internet presence. I do wonder what it's about. I'm sure it's the same deal, but with so many options, why. The girls in there look pretty desperate though, the place looks like it's on its last legs. If I had more time, I might have tried.[/QUOTE]That name brings back some fond memories. 6,7 years ago, had an [I]assignation[/I] at Snow White, Soi 26. Bit early, so decided I'd walk up the soi a bit, then walk back. As I was walking, a door pops open. Mid-afternoon, there were 2 ladies in FULL evening dresses, 1 with a DEEP V neck and some VERY NICE cleavage showing. After a couple of decades visiting Thailand, I figured I was past surprises, but that certainly did. Passed on the invite due to previous [I]engagement[/I], but bookmarked. Remembered the advice of an old Thai hand from decades ago: Don't be like a kid in a candy store, "I want that, no this, no that, no that. Just pick one, take, enjoy, then return later to sample another [I]candy[/I]".

Returned several days later, just walked past as curious if the "Jill-in-the-Box" would repeat. It did, though, this time, 2 younger women in street clothes. Went inside, besides the 2, there were 3 others sitting in a row of chairs along the window, looking out the drawn curtain for likely [I]candidates[/I]. I checked the prices, decent, same as other places. I picked one of the attractive "Jills-in-the-Box", and up we went along a STEEP and NARROW staircase. Small room, but clean, a/c worked, small shower stall in the room. She (as usual) left to grab her kit. As I somewhat remember, we showered together, she starting a BBBJ in the shower. Then to the bed where I received a very decent massage from strong hands. Then, flipped over on back and we got down to the nitty-gritty. Very enjoyable, enjoyable enough, in the ensuing years, I'd visit once a trip and take the same girl. It must have been VERY enjoyable as it wasn't until a couple of years later I realized that the Soi 26 door was the back door; the front door was on the Soi 24 alley (the time I did leave from the front, besides the 4-5 girls at the back window, there were another 6-8 inside the front door or sitting on the patio outside).

I can't say there was anything special, but the "Jill-in-the-Box" I ALWAYS enjoyed. Decent place, good service where you're remembered. Haven't been there in 4 years, so now, can't say. But on my return this year, I will see if the "Jill-in-the-Box" still works.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2751952]Abouts Dirty American s and the Face Musk issue.

Post COVID American s are number 47 in amount of Tourists. Maskeless Farangs are more likely from Europe.

Number 1 country sending tourists might be Indians. Number 2 Myanmar. Number 3 Malaysia. Or some kind of wackyness.

Really does make sense avg spend per tourist is way down.[/QUOTE]From [URL]https://trail.bananabackpacks.com/thailand-tourism-stats/[/URL].

Top 20 Visitors by Nationality 2022*.

Rank Country Visitors %Share.

1 Malaysia 642,351 14.7%.

2 India 455,765 10.4%.

3 Singapore 243,835 5. 6%.

4 Vietnam 204,883 4. 7%.

5 UK 204,231 4. 7%.

6 USA 187,205 4. 3%.

7 Korea 184,463 4. 2%.

8 Laos 175,227 4. 0%.

9 Germany 157,295 3. 6%.

10 Cambodia 153,943 3. 5%.

11 Australia 148,886 3. 4%.

12 France 131,625 3. 0%.

13 Japan 116,841 2. 7%.

14 China 114,596 2. 6%.

15 Russia 87,485 2. 0%.

16 Myanmar 80,847 1. 8%.

17 Indonesia 72,628 1. 7%.

18 Israel 67,244 1. 5%.

19 Philippines 62,448 1. 4%.

20 Saudi Arabia 59,526 1. 4%.

This is probably not representative of the percentage of these nationalities visiting Bangkok and Pattaya as I doubt many of the tourists from the neighboring countries go there but rather just cross the border for business purposes, especially Malaysia.

Used to be one of my go to places pre-covid. Had a regular who I barebacked. Returned this September and had a great session with a young, pretty girl before leaving for Pattaya Price is a couple of hundred baht more than the ones across on Soi 24/1.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2752051]From [URL]https://trail.bananabackpacks.com/thailand-tourism-stats/[/URL].

Top 20 Visitors by Nationality 2022*.

Rank Country Visitors %Share.

1 Malaysia 642,351 14.7%.

2 India 455,765 10.4%.

3 Singapore 243,835 5. 6%.

4 Vietnam 204,883 4. 7%.

5 UK 204,231 4. 7%.

6 USA 187,205 4. 3%.

7 Korea 184,463 4. 2%.

8 Laos 175,227 4. 0%.

9 Germany 157,295 3. 6%.

10 Cambodia 153,943 3. 5%..[/QUOTE]I recalled USA were low in some category just picked the wrong one.

4.3% of total,. Come on come on Guys support the Girls as they say in Desire Livestream.

I've read about Patpong dying. Not my favorite place by far EXCEPT for 1) SOL, 2) The World, 3) Foodland restaurant. I figure Foodland is still there, but curious as to status of SOL and The World (the bar on the upper level near SOL).

3 years ago, the pickings at SOL were SPARSE. I had taken a [I]newer[/I] girl who claimed she didn't know some of my favorites, Mam or Fern from previous years (they were attractive and cute). I do remember her using hand sanitizer both before and after the [I]encounter[/I], along with mouth wash, telling me "No Covid here. ".

In search of something new (well, new to me), I went up to The World. Only a couple of providers, but one was fun. Besides, when I walked in, the lights were dimmed (NOT just to improve the ambiance), a large floor fan was turned on directly on me, and hey, a cold 100 baht Singha, a head bobbing up and down between my legs, and 60's-70's hard rock turned on for tunes, worked for me, several times.

Just wondering if anyone knows what the status of these places are. Will be back next month, so it will be practical advice.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;2752053]Used to be one of my go to places pre-covid. Had a regular who I barebacked. Returned this September and had a great session with a young, pretty girl before leaving for Pattaya Price is a couple of hundred baht more than the ones across on Soi 24/1.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Definitely will check out to see if the "Jill-in-the-box" is still working.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2752082]I've read about Patpong dying. Not my favorite place by far EXCEPT for 1) SOL, 2) The World, 3) Foodland restaurant. I figure Foodland is still there, but curious as to status of SOL and The World (the bar on the upper level near SOL).

3 years ago, the pickings at SOL were SPARSE. I had taken a [I]newer[/I] girl who claimed she didn't know some of my favorites, Mam or Fern from previous years (they were attractive and cute). I do remember her using hand sanitizer both before and after the [I]encounter[/I], along with mouth wash, telling me "No Covid here. ".

Just wondering if anyone knows what the status of these places are. Will be back next month, so it will be practical advice.[/QUOTE]All three are still there. That branch of Foodland continues to be the least busy of the ones that I'm familiar with. Business at the one on Soi 5 has actually picked up a lot in recent months, although the little restaurant they have in there, "tok lae dee", is not nearly as crowded as it was pre-Covid. SOL is also still there as is the The World although YMMV at both since Patpong is very quiet these days. Business has picked up faster at Soi Cowboy and Nana.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2752082]I've read about Patpong dying. Not my favorite place by far EXCEPT for 1) SOL, 2) The World, 3) Foodland restaurant. I figure Foodland is still there, but curious as to status of SOL and The World (the bar on the upper level near SOL).

3 years ago, the pickings at SOL were SPARSE. I had taken a [I]newer[/I] girl who claimed she didn't know some of my favorites, Mam or Fern from previous years (they were attractive and cute). I do remember her using hand sanitizer both before and after the [I]encounter[/I], along with mouth wash, telling me "No Covid here. ".

In search of something new (well, new to me), I went up to The World. Only a couple of providers, but one was fun. Besides, when I walked in, the lights were dimmed (NOT just to improve the ambiance), a large floor fan was turned on directly on me, and hey, a cold 100 baht Singha, a head bobbing up and down between my legs, and 60's-70's hard rock turned on for tunes, worked for me, several times.

Just wondering if anyone knows what the status of these places are. Will be back next month, so it will be practical advice.

Thanks.

Good to know. Definitely will check out to see if the "Jill-in-the-box" is still working.[/QUOTE]Foodland is Fine.

One of the mystery s of BKK right up there with Thaniya Road, how do those Karaoke places pay Rent.

Asok, Sukhumvit, and Ratchada branches do Brisk Business. Patpong never do I see many customers at Dinner.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2752086]All three are still there. That branch of Foodland continues to be the least busy of the ones that I'm familiar with. Business at the one on Soi 5 has actually picked up a lot in recent months, although the little restaurant they have in there, "tok lae dee", is not nearly as crowded as it was pre-Covid. SOL is also still there as is the The World although YMMV at both since Patpong is very quiet these days. Business has picked up faster at Soi Cowboy and Nana.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the update. LONG gone are my free roaming days, even a Cinderella Liberty would be extravagant. But I'm content with some afternoon [I]dalliances[/I] at some of the BJ bars or MP's. I'd have lunch at the Soi 5 Foodland (is there still the passage between Bier Garten and a hotel from Soi 7 to Soi 5?) Pick up a hardcopy Bangkok Post, then stop by the Bier Garten for a drink. If nothing there, then a stroll along MP lane on Soi 23 to see who is sitting outside (have had some good times there). Likewise in Patpong, lunch at Foodland, BJ at SOL / World (and embarrassingly to really date myself, sometimes Rose Bar).

Looking forward to a salt pounding, scrub at Sakara up on Soi 55. Nothing like some rock salt to get you clean (and to let you know of any breaks in your skin).

Thanks again, will have to take a ride over to check Patpong 1 out during the afternoon, though if it's dead at night, it might be a graveyard in the afternoon.

Guys anyone can help me with the below request. I don't mind going to positron et al soapies with my wife but would it be awkward??

Any guidelines?

[QUOTE=DessCouple;2750346]Guys,

So I am planning a BKK trip for 3 days and wifey is willing to for a threesome. I know I am lucky!

I would prefer if we get a lesbian / Bi girl so she is really into it for the night. Any recommendations for such a girl? Cost ain't no factor.

Second during the day I want her to get a soapy together with me IE 2 girls + we 2 in soapy action w / without sex. I heard some places have couple massage but just curious to know if a shy wife would feel comfortable In such lobbies? Anyone with experience can share?

Mainly looking for a super cutie bi / lesbo for the first night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2752091]Looking forward to a salt pounding, scrub at Sakara up on Soi 55. Nothing like some rock salt to get you clean (and to let you know of any breaks in your skin).[/QUOTE]Sazanka is now located in Soil 16, near the Trapezo Condominium. A bit harder to find, but Google maps shows the location exactly. Much upgraded premises, and the 2 hour top of the line course now includes a sauna visit to start everything off.

It's going to be my first trip to Bangkok, travelling alone.

Pimp club looks quite interesting as well, is it a good idea to go there given that I'll be alone? (I understand that it is expensive, but really want to experience that).

Any other pointers, suggestions are welcome!

[QUOTE=Hlplt;2752128]Sazanka is now located in Soil 16, near the Trapezo Condominium. A bit harder to find, but Google maps shows the location exactly. Much upgraded premises, and the 2 hour top of the line course now includes a sauna visit to start everything off.[/QUOTE]Can you tell more about their service? I'm interrested in going there if there is no sexual stuff.

Can we use sauna as long as we want before the session start? And what's the price for the 2 hours?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2752225]Can you tell more about their service? I'm interrested in going there if there is no sexual stuff.

Can we use sauna as long as we want before the session start? And what's the price for the 2 hours?[/QUOTE]I think this is how it works.

I used to see Old Thais eat with their Girl before going upstairs for Boom Boom at VIP Massage.

2 hours are allocated person session. Eating counts. If you eat one hour you have one hour left for your massage and sex.

For a while I'd think the girls just like eating with old fuddy duddy Thais and they got Bonus time. Never did make sense.

[QUOTE=Rram1357;2752172]It's going to be my first trip to Bangkok, travelling alone.

Pimp club looks quite interesting as well, is it a good idea to go there given that I'll be alone? (I understand that it is expensive, but really want to experience that).

Any other pointers, suggestions are welcome![/QUOTE]Would not recommend PIMP alone. Ideally want group of 4+ for best fun and VFM.

For the amount of money to do PIMP solo you could have several days "nice holiday GF" experience with a FL of your choice or keep picking up a new ST BF from Nana / SC.

Check my past reports for other suggestions as that was from a solo trip. Have fun!

[QUOTE=DessCouple;2750346]Guys,

So I am planning a BKK trip for 3 days and wifey is willing to for a threesome. I know I am lucky!

I would prefer if we get a lesbian / Bi girl so she is really into it for the night. Any recommendations for such a girl? Cost ain't no factor.

Second during the day I want her to get a soapy together with me IE 2 girls + we 2 in soapy action w / without sex. I heard some places have couple massage but just curious to know if a shy wife would feel comfortable In such lobbies? Anyone with experience can share?

Mainly looking for a super cutie bi / lesbo for the first night.[/QUOTE]Any escort service will generally list which girls are bi / lesbian performers for couples. They generally make it clear on the site, make sure you get one that does couples. You can check out the various services and see if any of those girls check the boxes you're looking for. Then of course when booking, confirm she's up for it with her or the site and when she gets to the room, make sure she knows exactly what you're looking for, that you want her to be fully 3 way with the lady. Be open and clear about what you want otherwise you might not get it. Its best to just be very very direct, don't be shy, say what you want, say you will do full lesbian with the wife, etc. There are many many girls are are totally up for it, find one you two like. Escort in your room is probably the best option.

For soapy. Soapy is a sex thing, there is no 'soapy' that isn't a sex thing, the "soapy massage" part is just the opening act before action starts. If you just want a regular couples massage, you're in thailand, there are massage places everywhere.

All this said, you can always let your girl go get a special massage or massage parlor or soapy girl herself for sex, there will be girls that will be happy to service another girl. Obviously men are the usual clients, but places will be fine to do a lady as well.

I had a short layover in Bangkok this week and decided to take advantage of it. I landed at 1 pm and was flying out the next day at 8. Around 18-19 hours.

The landing and immigration process was very smooth. Since the new changes came in effect Oct 1, I did not need any insurance or quarantine restrictions. Immigration was a breeze and probably one of the shortest turnaround times I have experienced. I had no luggage except my carry on and so I headed straight for the Air Rail into town.

I didn't really have a plan except to go to a BJ bar and drink the afternoon away, get a soapy or nuru massage, or both, get some rest and head back to the airport early the next morning. If I was in the mood, go look for an african FL.

First things first, I exchanged some cash for Thai Bhat at the get rich money exchange at Asok BTS. Flush with local cash, I went to Lolitas. Wasn't impressed with the selection. Went around the corner to Kasalong. Still wasn't impressed but a boys got needs. Chose a girl based on her tits and went upstairs. She washed me, put a pillow down, got on her knees, sucked me off and then washed me again. SOG#1 done and out of the way. As she was cleaning me afterward, the little man was still at attention and she made a comment that I was still horny.

She was right. I was still horny. I hadn't taken any pills. I was just very horny. In and out in 15 minutes. But then decided to maybe go for Round 2. Paid 800 for the BJ and then ordered a beer and a drink for her. Sat downstairs, chatted with her, I had asked her to take off her top and she had her legs over my lap while we sat. Kept feeling her up while I sipped my Chang and she would occasionally have her hand in my pants. Went back upstairs and she didn't even bother cleaning me up and just started sucking me off. Very skilled. SOG #2. Probably the same amount of time and then she cleaned me up. Paid and tipped her.

Went and got lunch at Terminal 21 and realized I was very horny. The stars and the universe were aphrodisiacally aligned for me today and needed to take advantage of my gift. Headed off to Duangporn. Again, same thing, no real lookers and based my selection on a girl that looked energetic but happened to be eating her lunch. Went upstairs and about 5 minutes into the BJ, things started heating up. As in, my cock started to burn up from the base up, increasing in heat towards the tip. I realized she must have had a spicy soup and the chilli residue was still on her tongue and mouth. Once I realized it was the chillies and not an STD that just popped up at this very moment, I relaxed, stayed hard and popped. SOG#3. She cleaned me with wipes but I really needed to wash my dick properly.

It was now 4 pm and headed off to Chrome Bar on Sukhumvit soi 7/1. I love this street because there are so many girls on it, grabbing you and wanting your attention. Chrome Bar looked closed but all the girls kept asking me to go to Wood Bar. I didn't want a blowjob but needed a wash. The girl that was talking to me told me it was 1500 for one hour which included body to body, boom boom and two shots. The 2000 for 2 hours they had back in the day was no longer available. Went for the one hour and went upstairs at Chrome Bar. I am pretty sure I was the only one there which was very sad but I got really nicely showered, nuru body rubbed, BJ and fuck. SOG #4. There was still quite a bit of time left on the clock so she proceeded to soapie massage my body which felt so nice with the air conditioner running and hot water over my body. She was a lot of fun, lots of energy and lots of teasing that I was semi hard when I left. Afterwards, she mentions that they are open till 1 AM.

As I exit Chrome, it's starting to rain and I realize I should get a hotel room to drop my bag, find a place to spend the night as it sounds like every thing closes at midnight. Stop at Atlas hotel and got a cheap room. I leave my bag and head right out again. Only this time, the rain has really come down and the soi is flooded. I definitley don't want to spend any time inside my cheap room and the girls across the soi at the massage parlour are asking me if I want a massajee. So, I quickly go across, choose a girl, choose a one hour oil with boom boom.

Five minutes into the massage and a client walks into the room next door. His massage girls starts fucking him right away. The massage came after. My girl and I both laughed quietly. Meanwhile, my girl is rubbing oil and giving me a mediocre massage with in-between hand rubs. She slowly starts blowing me and then she fucks me. SOG#5. Still lots of time left on the clock so she massages me. I think the price was 1,500.

Leave the parlour happy and the flooding on the Soi has subsided. Still raining so head to Terminal 21 for a quick dinner. Afterwards decide to go to 101 Premier for an hour massage, then on to Kokoro for another hour massage before midnight and then sleep.

As I am walking towards 101 Premier, the 24/1 Soi is completely flooded and no way I can cross. Change of plans; I turn right and go towards Candy Massage. I walk inside, all wet, apologising profusely to the mamasan and she is like don't worry, don't worry, don't worry, it rains in Bangkok, our street gets flooded, this is life, thank you for coming in, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. The girls inside scatter to the back, I ask for a girl with big tits, the mamasan calls all the girls back but points to one with big boobs and says "all original". She didn't look pretty, was short and looked chubby under her shirt with her cleavage looking like it was propped up and as soon as the bra came off, it would be sag city. Reluctantly, I accepted her mostly because I just thought it was a bad night. The rain was creating havoc with my plans and I just wanted a place to stay dry. There were a lot of choices on the menu eg. Fire and ice but I just went with a regular 1 hour massage.

Go upstairs and we are getting ready for her to give me a shower. Takes her top off, flat tummy and her tits are big and beautiful! Wow! Big big handfulls of tits, holding them I thought they were 3 kgs but she said more like 2 kgs I am playing with them and when I see past her tits, she is quite beautiful with the nicest lips. I ask if I can extend to 90 minutes and 2 shots. She says yes, takes my money, naked, downstairs to the mamasan. That was funny as she struggled with getting dressed or not getting dressed. Showered and she started the blowjob in the shower. Went to the bed and fucked her in all sorts of positions. SOG#6. The mirror next to the bed was a very nice touch. Cleaned up and then proceeded with a mediocre massage. Got annoyed with the massage and started fooling around with her and in no time, it was SOG #7. Still time on the clock, she asked what I wanted and asked for a head massage. I got her to sit cross legged, I lay down on her legs and pussy looking up at those massive tits while she massage my head. Absolute bliss.

It's 22:30 at night now; get on a motorcycle taxi and head to Kokoro. Get there and the receptionist tells me no availability. Oh well, walk back towards Soi Cowboy and it's going strong. Since I was in the mood for a nuru, I decide to go back to Chrome and then my hotel. But first, I take a long walk to Nana Plaza and check things out and a quick Pad Thai with Chang. Get to Chrome just before midnight, get the same girl and she proceeds to give me another nuru with blowjob and fucking. SOG#8. It's a good way to end the night.

For some reason, not entirely sure, I didn't feel like going back to my very cheap bedroom that overlooked a construction site so I went walking up to Nana and then back to Soi Cowboy. Lots of FLs walking around, talked to a few of them and the rates were between 2-3,000. Saw a few africans but they weren't that appealing to me. Near Soi Cowboy, found a place that offered legit massages that was supposed to be closed at midnight but still open. With all the "massages" I had today, none of them really gave me a proper massage and I was kind of wanting one. I asked very nicely if they were still offering a massage and they said yes. After I walked in, two more people came in asking for a massage and they were turned back rudely. Had a very nice massage, felt relaxed and re-energized.

Went walking along Sukhamvit and one of the prettier exotic girls I talked to earlier stopped me again and said "I was going to come back later, and well, now is later". It was 2,000 short time. I wasn't sure. She said, how about 3,500 for two girls. The other girl was also hot and I couldn't say no. But I was sensible enough to ask for 2 shots and both girls would be with my cock. None of this one girl sucking me while the other is in the bathroom. They looked offended at that and so off we went to my hotel.

They were a Kazakhstan girl and a spanish girl. Absolutely beautiful exotic looks. The Kazak was tall, dark haired with a fierce look while the spanish girl had blond hair and a tiny body. They were walking on either side of me, holding my hand and telling me their blowjob techniques. I couldn't enjoy it because I was so scared I was going to get robbed. I felt like I was being set up. I kept trying to look back to see if we were being followed, trying to think how to make this process as safe as possible. I didn't know where I was walking and all of a sudden the Kazakh girl says, "look, we are at Atlas Hotel. This is your hotel. ".

Like a robot, dazed, I walk in knowing the concierge will stop and ask the girls for ID and that comforts me from a safety perspective. He doesn't because the two girls talk to him in the sweetest voice as if they are residents here, he says "welcome back" to them and they waltz right past him. Argh! Get in the elevator, get into my room and they start undressing. As they are undressing, they are asking each other to lick their tits. I still can't enjoy myself, realize the door is unlcoked so go and lock it. I take off my trousers, put them on the desk and then realize I have to take a nervous pee. I go to the bathroom, knowing my wallet and cash are in my trousers so I keep the door open and take a piss. Come back and the Spanish girl is standing in front of the mirror, naked in heels, dancing and brushing her hair. The Kazak is laying on the bed, naked with Come Fuck Me Heels and looking at me in the most sexiest way. Have I said, they have perfect bodies?!

It's too much. Really. It's too much and I can't think.

The spanish girl asks for the money upfront and I realize this is it. This is the game. I am going to give her the money and they are going to walk out. This is the reason that they were free lancing on the street because they do runners. I say I will give it to them afterwards. The spanish girl says no problem, but just put the money on the table. I do so. Reluctantly.

What proceeds for the next hour or so is magical. They didn't do a runner. They stayed, they fucked me, they sucked me, they sucked each other, I grabbed ones tits while the other sucked / fucked me, I licked ones pussy while the other was on my dick. It was absolutely bliss. SOG#9 (I came on the Kazakhs tits and the spanish girl rubbed my cum all over her tits!) and SOG#10 (I came in Kazakhs pussy in doggy while the spanish was playing with my balls) were beautiful memories. It turns out, the two travel the world and escort for the money to go shopping and live life to the fullest.

Tonight just happened to be an off night for them.

Tonight just happened to be an awesome one-night-in-Bangkok for me.

The only downside of these two was they were really doing up the PSE talk and it was very fake. I asked them to stop that early on which everyone was happy with. Before they leave, they ask if everything is okay and ask me to make sure my valuables are safe. They were. Nothing was missing.

They leave and I am stunned, I am happy, not sure what to do but don't want to sleep. I head downstairs and thankfully, there is no concierge. It's now just before 4 am and Sukhamvit is almost dead. I am low on thai bhat so need to be thrifty. I see a few ladyboys, some are mutes which was interesting. I "talk" to a few of them and the price is around 1,500. At this point, I am just walking and decide to get a coffee at TomnToms. Before I get there, I see a thai FL, average looks, start talking and she says her price is 1,000 with two pops. I offer her 500 for one pop and she says no. I say I will be quick. Knowing there is no way I am going to be quick after the day I have had. She agrees to a quickie but I tell her I would like a coffee first so we go to TomnToms. There are some beautiful girls waiting there. Probably ladyboys. I get a coffee and she gets some Thai drink. We walk back to the hotel, chatting, drinking coffee and this time, the concierge looks at me with a look as if to say "Really? Which the thai FL thinks its about ID so she hands over her ID. The concierge is confused, I laugh and grab the ID and give it back to the girl.

Once in the room, some emberrasment starts. I didn't clean up and there are a few condoms on the ground from the two girls earlier. Unfazed, she cleans up. I decide to tell her that I can't come quick and can we do the 1,000 bhat and maybe even try the two shots. We have had good conversations while walking and drinking coffee so she is happy with the new deal. I tell her I want to do some other stuff and will offer her another 500 bhat as long as I come a second time. Apart from the 1,000 bhat I need for the taxi to get to the airport, I have no more money left. She is happy, I am happy. SOG#11 takes a while but it comes and she is very skilled. In between shots, she starts masterbating in front of me and that gets me back again. SOG#12 isn't happening and she is trying everything for that extra 500 bhat. Eventually, I have to jerk myself off on to her tits and even that was a struggle. But SOG#12 eventually happened and I just collapsed on top of her.

There is a reason why I mentioned all the SOGs and that's because at the airport and on the plane, I still had some regrets. What if I did "this" different? What if I had exchanged more money and spent more time with the Kazakh and Spanish. What if I had actually gone on LINE and booked Kokoro massage? What if I had gone to the Candy girl earlier and then come back to her a second time in the evening.

I was exhausted and very proud of how much I had accomplished, and yet, still had regret. It's a tough life out there.

A last thought to end on. I think Bangkok is back and open to being a premier mongering destination. There were no COVID requirements, I had no issues with immigration. Landing or departing. And everyone was genuinely happy to see the tourists again. If any one has been holding or not sure about going to Thailand, I say do it!

I suggest try the Bamboo Massage, ask outcall and tell her your needs, she has couple of good bi, you will get what you want.

[QUOTE=DessCouple;2752094]Guys anyone can help me with the below request. I don't mind going to positron et al soapies with my wife but would it be awkward??

Any guidelines?[/QUOTE]

Smooci. This is a website and also an app.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2752382]Any escort service will generally list which girls are bi / lesbian performers for couples. They generally make it clear on the site, make sure you get one that does couples. You can check out the various services and see if any of those girls check the boxes you're looking for. Then of course when booking, confirm she's up for it with her or the site and when she gets to the room, make sure she knows exactly what you're looking for, that you want her to be fully 3 way with the lady. Be open and clear about what you want otherwise you might not get it. Its best to just be very very direct, don't be shy, say what you want, say you will do full lesbian with the wife, etc. There are many many girls are are totally up for it, find one you two like. Escort in your room is probably the best option.

For soapy. Soapy is a sex thing, there is no 'soapy' that isn't a sex thing, the "soapy massage" part is just the opening act before action starts. If you just want a regular couples massage, you're in thailand, there are massage places everywhere.

All this said, you can always let your girl go get a special massage or massage parlor or soapy girl herself for sex, there will be girls that will be happy to service another girl. Obviously men are the usual clients, but places will be fine to do a lady as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2752440]I had a short layover in Bangkok this week and decided to take advantage of it. I landed at 1 pm and was flying out the next day at 8. Around 18-19 hours.

The landing and immigration process was very smooth. Since the new changes came in effect Oct 1, I did not need any insurance or quarantine restrictions. Immigration was a breeze and probably one of the shortest turnaround times I have experienced. I had no luggage except my carry on and so I headed straight for the Air Rail into town.

I didn't really have a plan except to go to a BJ bar and drink the afternoon away, get a soapy or nuru massage, or both, get some rest and head back to the airport early the next morning. If I was in the mood, go look for an african FL.

First things first, I exchanged some cash for Thai Bhat at the get rich money exchange at Asok BTS. Flush with local cash, I went to Lolitas. Wasn't impressed with the selection. Went around the corner to Kasalong. Still wasn't impressed but a boys got needs. Chose a girl based on her tits and went upstairs. She washed me, put a pillow down, got on her knees, sucked me off and then washed me again. SOG#1 done and out of the way. As she was cleaning me afterward, the little man was still at attention and she made a comment that I was still horny.

She was right. I was still horny. I hadn't taken any pills. I was just very horny. In and out in 15 minutes. But then decided to maybe go for Round 2. Paid 800 for the BJ and then ordered a beer and a drink for her. Sat downstairs, chatted with her, I had asked her to take off her top and she had her legs over my lap while we sat. Kept feeling her up while I sipped my Chang and she would occasionally have her hand in my pants. Went back upstairs and she didn't even bother cleaning me up and just started sucking me off. Very skilled. SOG #2. Probably the same amount of time and then she cleaned me up. Paid and tipped her.
[/QUOTE]This puts that guy in Pattaya thread to extreme Shame Shame Shame. Talk about an Outlier.

I stopped at 6th session.

Thanks GrapeMan, for the suggest. We narrowed down Aya massage which has "couple massage" listed and seems a bit classy. So we will try that. And yes smooci too to get the right one to the hotel room. Do you think paying them extra they would be open to video them ie. My wife and the girl making out etc. Just for the memories. Money is not a issue for us as its a one time thingy.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2752382]Any escort service will generally list which girls are bi / lesbian performers for couples. They generally make it clear on the site, make sure you get one that does couples. You can check out the various services and see if any of those girls check the boxes you're looking for. Then of course when booking, confirm she's up for it with her or the site and when she gets to the room, make sure she knows exactly what you're looking for, that you want her to be fully 3 way with the lady. Be open and clear about what you want otherwise you might not get it. Its best to just be very very direct, don't be shy, say what you want, say you will do full lesbian with the wife, etc. There are many many girls are are totally up for it, find one you two like. Escort in your room is probably the best option.

For soapy. Soapy is a sex thing, there is no 'soapy' that isn't a sex thing, the "soapy massage" part is just the opening act before action starts. If you just want a regular couples massage, you're in thailand, there are massage places everywhere.

All this said, you can always let your girl go get a special massage or massage parlor or soapy girl herself for sex, there will be girls that will be happy to service another girl. Obviously men are the usual clients, but places will be fine to do a lady as well.[/QUOTE]

Will check it out Thanks mate.

[QUOTE=ChoduMadan;2752451]I suggest try the Bamboo Massage, ask outcall and tell her your needs, she has couple of good bi, you will get what you want.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2752440]I had a short layover in Bangkok this week and decided to take advantage of it. I landed at 1 pm and was flying out the next day at 8. Around 18-19 hours.

The landing and immigration process was very smooth. Since the new changes came in effect Oct 1, I did not need any insurance or quarantine restrictions. Immigration was a breeze and probably one of the shortest turnaround times I have experienced. I had no luggage except my carry on and so I headed straight for the Air Rail into town.

I didn't really have a plan except to go to a BJ bar and drink the afternoon away, get a soapy or nuru massage, or both, get some rest and head back to the airport early the next morning. If I was in the mood, go look for an african FL.

First things first, I exchanged some cash for Thai Bhat at the get rich money exchange at Asok BTS. Flush with local cash, I went to Lolitas. Wasn't impressed with the selection. Went around the corner to Kasalong. Still wasn't impressed but a boys got needs. Chose a girl based on her tits and went upstairs. She washed me, put a pillow down, got on her knees, sucked me off and then washed me again. SOG#1 done and out of the way. As she was cleaning me afterward, the little man was still at attention and she made a comment that I was still horny.

She was right. I was still horny. I hadn't taken any pills. I was just very horny. In and out in 15 minutes. But then decided to maybe go for Round 2. Paid 800 for the BJ and then ordered a beer and a drink for her. Sat downstairs, chatted with her, I had asked her to take off her top and she had her legs over my lap while we sat. Kept feeling her up while I sipped my Chang and she would occasionally have her hand in my pants. Went back upstairs and she didn't even bother cleaning me up and just started sucking me off. Very skilled. SOG #2. Probably the same amount of time and then she cleaned me up. Paid and tipped her.

Went and got lunch at Terminal 21 and realized I was very horny. The stars and the universe were aphrodisiacally aligned for me today and needed to take advantage of my gift. Headed off to Duangporn. Again, same thing, no real lookers and based my selection on a girl that looked energetic but happened to be eating her lunch. Went upstairs and about 5 minutes into the BJ, things started heating up. As in, my cock started to burn up from the base up, increasing in heat towards the tip. I realized she must have had a spicy soup and the chilli residue was still on her tongue and mouth. Once I realized it was the chillies and not an STD that just popped up at this very moment, I relaxed, stayed hard and popped. SOG#3. She cleaned me with wipes but I really needed to wash my dick properly.

It was now 4 pm and headed off to Chrome Bar on Sukhumvit soi 7/1. I love this street because there are so many girls on it, grabbing you and wanting your attention. Chrome Bar looked closed but all the girls kept asking me to go to Wood Bar. I didn't want a blowjob but needed a wash. The girl that was talking to me told me it was 1500 for one hour which included body to body, boom boom and two shots. The 2000 for 2 hours they had back in the day was no longer available. Went for the one hour and went upstairs at Chrome Bar. I am pretty sure I was the only one there which was very sad but I got really nicely showered, nuru body rubbed, BJ and fuck. SOG #4. There was still quite a bit of time left on the clock so she proceeded to soapie massage my body which felt so nice with the air conditioner running and hot water over my body. She was a lot of fun, lots of energy and lots of teasing that I was semi hard when I left. Afterwards, she mentions that they are open till 1 AM.

As I exit Chrome, it's starting to rain and I realize I should get a hotel room to drop my bag, find a place to spend the night as it sounds like every thing closes at midnight. Stop at Atlas hotel and got a cheap room. I leave my bag and head right out again. Only this time, the rain has really come down and the soi is flooded. I definitley don't want to spend any time inside my cheap room and the girls across the soi at the massage parlour are asking me if I want a massajee. So, I quickly go across, choose a girl, choose a one hour oil with boom boom.

Five minutes into the massage and a client walks into the room next door. His massage girls starts fucking him right away. The massage came after. My girl and I both laughed quietly. Meanwhile, my girl is rubbing oil and giving me a mediocre massage with in-between hand rubs. She slowly starts blowing me and then she fucks me. SOG#5. Still lots of time left on the clock so she massages me. I think the price was 1,500.

Leave the parlour happy and the flooding on the Soi has subsided. Still raining so head to Terminal 21 for a quick dinner. Afterwards decide to go to 101 Premier for an hour massage, then on to Kokoro for another hour massage before midnight and then sleep.

As I am walking towards 101 Premier, the 24/1 Soi is completely flooded and no way I can cross. Change of plans; I turn right and go towards Candy Massage. I walk inside, all wet, apologising profusely to the mamasan and she is like don't worry, don't worry, don't worry, it rains in Bangkok, our street gets flooded, this is life, thank you for coming in, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. The girls inside scatter to the back, I ask for a girl with big tits, the mamasan calls all the girls back but points to one with big boobs and says "all original". She didn't look pretty, was short and looked chubby under her shirt with her cleavage looking like it was propped up and as soon as the bra came off, it would be sag city. Reluctantly, I accepted her mostly because I just thought it was a bad night. The rain was creating havoc with my plans and I just wanted a place to stay dry. There were a lot of choices on the menu eg. Fire and ice but I just went with a regular 1 hour massage.

Go upstairs and we are getting ready for her to give me a shower. Takes her top off, flat tummy and her tits are big and beautiful! Wow! Big big handfulls of tits, holding them I thought they were 3 kgs but she said more like 2 kgs I am playing with them and when I see past her tits, she is quite beautiful with the nicest lips. I ask if I can extend to 90 minutes and 2 shots. She says yes, takes my money, naked, downstairs to the mamasan. That was funny as she struggled with getting dressed or not getting dressed. Showered and she started the blowjob in the shower. Went to the bed and fucked her in all sorts of positions. SOG#6. The mirror next to the bed was a very nice touch. Cleaned up and then proceeded with a mediocre massage. Got annoyed with the massage and started fooling around with her and in no time, it was SOG #7. Still time on the clock, she asked what I wanted and asked for a head massage. I got her to sit cross legged, I lay down on her legs and pussy looking up at those massive tits while she massage my head. Absolute bliss.

It's 22:30 at night now; get on a motorcycle taxi and head to Kokoro. Get there and the receptionist tells me no availability. Oh well, walk back towards Soi Cowboy and it's going strong. Since I was in the mood for a nuru, I decide to go back to Chrome and then my hotel. But first, I take a long walk to Nana Plaza and check things out and a quick Pad Thai with Chang. Get to Chrome just before midnight, get the same girl and she proceeds to give me another nuru with blowjob and fucking. SOG#8. It's a good way to end the night.

For some reason, not entirely sure, I didn't feel like going back to my very cheap bedroom that overlooked a construction site so I went walking up to Nana and then back to Soi Cowboy. Lots of FLs walking around, talked to a few of them and the rates were between 2-3,000. Saw a few africans but they weren't that appealing to me. Near Soi Cowboy, found a place that offered legit massages that was supposed to be closed at midnight but still open. With all the "massages" I had today, none of them really gave me a proper massage and I was kind of wanting one. I asked very nicely if they were still offering a massage and they said yes. After I walked in, two more people came in asking for a massage and they were turned back rudely. Had a very nice massage, felt relaxed and re-energized.

Went walking along Sukhamvit and one of the prettier exotic girls I talked to earlier stopped me again and said "I was going to come back later, and well, now is later". It was 2,000 short time. I wasn't sure. She said, how about 3,500 for two girls. The other girl was also hot and I couldn't say no. But I was sensible enough to ask for 2 shots and both girls would be with my cock. None of this one girl sucking me while the other is in the bathroom. They looked offended at that and so off we went to my hotel.

They were a Kazakhstan girl and a spanish girl. Absolutely beautiful exotic looks. The Kazak was tall, dark haired with a fierce look while the spanish girl had blond hair and a tiny body. They were walking on either side of me, holding my hand and telling me their blowjob techniques. I couldn't enjoy it because I was so scared I was going to get robbed. I felt like I was being set up. I kept trying to look back to see if we were being followed, trying to think how to make this process as safe as possible. I didn't know where I was walking and all of a sudden the Kazakh girl says, "look, we are at Atlas Hotel. This is your hotel. ".

Like a robot, dazed, I walk in knowing the concierge will stop and ask the girls for ID and that comforts me from a safety perspective. He doesn't because the two girls talk to him in the sweetest voice as if they are residents here, he says "welcome back" to them and they waltz right past him. Argh! Get in the elevator, get into my room and they start undressing. As they are undressing, they are asking each other to lick their tits. I still can't enjoy myself, realize the door is unlcoked so go and lock it. I take off my trousers, put them on the desk and then realize I have to take a nervous pee. I go to the bathroom, knowing my wallet and cash are in my trousers so I keep the door open and take a piss. Come back and the Spanish girl is standing in front of the mirror, naked in heels, dancing and brushing her hair. The Kazak is laying on the bed, naked with Come Fuck Me Heels and looking at me in the most sexiest way. Have I said, they have perfect bodies?!

It's too much. Really. It's too much and I can't think.

The spanish girl asks for the money upfront and I realize this is it. This is the game. I am going to give her the money and they are going to walk out. This is the reason that they were free lancing on the street because they do runners. I say I will give it to them afterwards. The spanish girl says no problem, but just put the money on the table. I do so. Reluctantly.

What proceeds for the next hour or so is magical. They didn't do a runner. They stayed, they fucked me, they sucked me, they sucked each other, I grabbed ones tits while the other sucked / fucked me, I licked ones pussy while the other was on my dick. It was absolutely bliss. SOG#9 (I came on the Kazakhs tits and the spanish girl rubbed my cum all over her tits!) and SOG#10 (I came in Kazakhs pussy in doggy while the spanish was playing with my balls) were beautiful memories. It turns out, the two travel the world and escort for the money to go shopping and live life to the fullest.

Tonight just happened to be an off night for them.

Tonight just happened to be an awesome one-night-in-Bangkok for me.

The only downside of these two was they were really doing up the PSE talk and it was very fake. I asked them to stop that early on which everyone was happy with. Before they leave, they ask if everything is okay and ask me to make sure my valuables are safe. They were. Nothing was missing.

They leave and I am stunned, I am happy, not sure what to do but don't want to sleep. I head downstairs and thankfully, there is no concierge. It's now just before 4 am and Sukhamvit is almost dead. I am low on thai bhat so need to be thrifty. I see a few ladyboys, some are mutes which was interesting. I "talk" to a few of them and the price is around 1,500. At this point, I am just walking and decide to get a coffee at TomnToms. Before I get there, I see a thai FL, average looks, start talking and she says her price is 1,000 with two pops. I offer her 500 for one pop and she says no. I say I will be quick. Knowing there is no way I am going to be quick after the day I have had. She agrees to a quickie but I tell her I would like a coffee first so we go to TomnToms. There are some beautiful girls waiting there. Probably ladyboys. I get a coffee and she gets some Thai drink. We walk back to the hotel, chatting, drinking coffee and this time, the concierge looks at me with a look as if to say "Really? Which the thai FL thinks its about ID so she hands over her ID. The concierge is confused, I laugh and grab the ID and give it back to the girl.

Once in the room, some emberrasment starts. I didn't clean up and there are a few condoms on the ground from the two girls earlier. Unfazed, she cleans up. I decide to tell her that I can't come quick and can we do the 1,000 bhat and maybe even try the two shots. We have had good conversations while walking and drinking coffee so she is happy with the new deal. I tell her I want to do some other stuff and will offer her another 500 bhat as long as I come a second time. Apart from the 1,000 bhat I need for the taxi to get to the airport, I have no more money left. She is happy, I am happy. SOG#11 takes a while but it comes and she is very skilled. In between shots, she starts masterbating in front of me and that gets me back again. SOG#12 isn't happening and she is trying everything for that extra 500 bhat. Eventually, I have to jerk myself off on to her tits and even that was a struggle. But SOG#12 eventually happened and I just collapsed on top of her.

There is a reason why I mentioned all the SOGs and that's because at the airport and on the plane, I still had some regrets. What if I did "this" different? What if I had exchanged more money and spent more time with the Kazakh and Spanish. What if I had actually gone on LINE and booked Kokoro massage? What if I had gone to the Candy girl earlier and then come back to her a second time in the evening.

I was exhausted and very proud of how much I had accomplished, and yet, still had regret. It's a tough life out there.

A last thought to end on. I think Bangkok is back and open to being a premier mongering destination. There were no COVID requirements, I had no issues with immigration. Landing or departing. And everyone was genuinely happy to see the tourists again. If any one has been holding or not sure about going to Thailand, I say do it![/QUOTE]Nice report. Mind sharing more detail on Kazakh and Spanish, I. E whereabouts on Sukhamvit they were hanging out. Thanks.

[QUOTE=AlexDee;2752485]Nice report. Mind sharing more detail on Kazakh and Spanish, I. E whereabouts on Sukhamvit they were hanging out. Thanks.[/QUOTE]That is an interesting tale. I have never met any foreign woman on that stretch of Suk so also interested in where you encountered them. Lolita and Kasalong have been closed during Covid so it appears they have now reopened. Not really my favorite places due to the general paucity of talent but a novelty visit is always fun.

[QUOTE=DessCouple;2752477]Thanks GrapeMan, for the suggest. We narrowed down Aya massage which has "couple massage" listed and seems a bit classy. So we will try that. And yes smooci too to get the right one to the hotel room. Do you think paying them extra they would be open to video them ie. My wife and the girl making out etc. Just for the memories. Money is not a issue for us as its a one time thingy.[/QUOTE]I was very clear NOT to say anything about massage girls on this specific post, I said [B]escort services[/B]. They are not the same thing. You can get some massage girls for takeout, but I specifically was saying escort services are likely better for your specific situation, especially as a first time, not massage girls. You can get a massage girl, but there often more info and availability plus pics and such on escort services, specifically with regards to couples and bi / lesbian activity.

For video, money solves all problems in SE Asia, no matter what that problem is, and to a westerner, often the amount of money is fairly small. Yes you can take pics or videos if you pay, these girls do not care about anything except money, they are in the sex business and their only goal is to take all of the money you have on you. If you want to give them more money they will take it. You don't need to offer much.

Update on Rain4/5. Briskally Brisk Business. No Rain.

Noteworthy note. One Rainbow 5 girl was obviously obvious on some kind of Narcotics. Not an expert here so no idea what kind.

Stay away from Her.

Got to hand it to Rainbow s 4/5. Good model of Business. They let their girls earn Mucho Money.

Girl go short time bar and girl wins. Girls get two customers. Double win. Everybody Happy.

Great report. Hope you have the contacts of some of these ladies for future trips / stops.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2752440]I had a short layover in Bangkok this week and decided to take advantage of it. I landed at 1 pm and was flying out the next day at 8. Around 18-19 hours.

The landing and immigration process was very smooth. Since the new changes came in effect Oct 1, I did not need any insurance or quarantine restrictions. Immigration was a breeze and probably one of the shortest turnaround times I have experienced. I had no luggage except my carry on and so I headed straight for the Air Rail into town.

I didn't really have a plan except to go to a BJ bar and drink the afternoon away, get a soapy or nuru massage, or both, get some rest and head back to the airport early the next morning. If I was in the mood, go look for an african FL.

First things first, I exchanged some cash for Thai Bhat at the get rich money exchange at Asok BTS. Flush with local cash, I went to Lolitas. Wasn't impressed with the selection. Went around the corner to Kasalong. Still wasn't impressed but a boys got needs. Chose a girl based on her tits and went upstairs. She washed me, put a pillow down, got on her knees, sucked me off and then washed me again. SOG#1 done and out of the way. As she was cleaning me afterward, the little man was still at attention and she made a comment that I was still horny.

She was right. I was still horny. I hadn't taken any pills. I was just very horny. In and out in 15 minutes. But then decided to maybe go for Round 2. Paid 800 for the BJ and then ordered a beer and a drink for her. Sat downstairs, chatted with her, I had asked her to take off her top and she had her legs over my lap while we sat. Kept feeling her up while I sipped my Chang and she would occasionally have her hand in my pants. Went back upstairs and she didn't even bother cleaning me up and just started sucking me off. Very skilled. SOG #2. Probably the same amount of time and then she cleaned me up. Paid and tipped her.

Went and got lunch at Terminal 21 and realized I was very horny. The stars and the universe were aphrodisiacally aligned for me today and needed to take advantage of my gift. Headed off to Duangporn. Again, same thing, no real lookers and based my selection on a girl that looked energetic but happened to be eating her lunch. Went upstairs and about 5 minutes into the BJ, things started heating up. As in, my cock started to burn up from the base up, increasing in heat towards the tip. I realized she must have had a spicy soup and the chilli residue was still on her tongue and mouth. Once I realized it was the chillies and not an STD that just popped up at this very moment, I relaxed, stayed hard and popped. SOG#3. She cleaned me with wipes but I really needed to wash my dick properly.

It was now 4 pm and headed off to Chrome Bar on Sukhumvit soi 7/1. I love this street because there are so many girls on it, grabbing you and wanting your attention. Chrome Bar looked closed but all the girls kept asking me to go to Wood Bar. I didn't want a blowjob but needed a wash. The girl that was talking to me told me it was 1500 for one hour which included body to body, boom boom and two shots. The 2000 for 2 hours they had back in the day was no longer available. Went for the one hour and went upstairs at Chrome Bar. I am pretty sure I was the only one there which was very sad but I got really nicely showered, nuru body rubbed, BJ and fuck. SOG #4. There was still quite a bit of time left on the clock so she proceeded to soapie massage my body which felt so nice with the air conditioner running and hot water over my body. She was a lot of fun, lots of energy and lots of teasing that I was semi hard when I left. Afterwards, she mentions that they are open till 1 AM.

As I exit Chrome, it's starting to rain and I realize I should get a hotel room to drop my bag, find a place to spend the night as it sounds like every thing closes at midnight. Stop at Atlas hotel and got a cheap room. I leave my bag and head right out again. Only this time, the rain has really come down and the soi is flooded. I definitley don't want to spend any time inside my cheap room and the girls across the soi at the massage parlour are asking me if I want a massajee. So, I quickly go across, choose a girl, choose a one hour oil with boom boom.

Five minutes into the massage and a client walks into the room next door. His massage girls starts fucking him right away. The massage came after. My girl and I both laughed quietly. Meanwhile, my girl is rubbing oil and giving me a mediocre massage with in-between hand rubs. She slowly starts blowing me and then she fucks me. SOG#5. Still lots of time left on the clock so she massages me. I think the price was 1,500.

Leave the parlour happy and the flooding on the Soi has subsided. Still raining so head to Terminal 21 for a quick dinner. Afterwards decide to go to 101 Premier for an hour massage, then on to Kokoro for another hour massage before midnight and then sleep.

As I am walking towards 101 Premier, the 24/1 Soi is completely flooded and no way I can cross. Change of plans; I turn right and go towards Candy Massage. I walk inside, all wet, apologising profusely to the mamasan and she is like don't worry, don't worry, don't worry, it rains in Bangkok, our street gets flooded, this is life, thank you for coming in, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. The girls inside scatter to the back, I ask for a girl with big tits, the mamasan calls all the girls back but points to one with big boobs and says "all original". She didn't look pretty, was short and looked chubby under her shirt with her cleavage looking like it was propped up and as soon as the bra came off, it would be sag city. Reluctantly, I accepted her mostly because I just thought it was a bad night. The rain was creating havoc with my plans and I just wanted a place to stay dry. There were a lot of choices on the menu eg. Fire and ice but I just went with a regular 1 hour massage.

Go upstairs and we are getting ready for her to give me a shower. Takes her top off, flat tummy and her tits are big and beautiful! Wow! Big big handfulls of tits, holding them I thought they were 3 kgs but she said more like 2 kgs I am playing with them and when I see past her tits, she is quite beautiful with the nicest lips. I ask if I can extend to 90 minutes and 2 shots. She says yes, takes my money, naked, downstairs to the mamasan. That was funny as she struggled with getting dressed or not getting dressed. Showered and she started the blowjob in the shower. Went to the bed and fucked her in all sorts of positions. SOG#6. The mirror next to the bed was a very nice touch. Cleaned up and then proceeded with a mediocre massage. Got annoyed with the massage and started fooling around with her and in no time, it was SOG #7. Still time on the clock, she asked what I wanted and asked for a head massage. I got her to sit cross legged, I lay down on her legs and pussy looking up at those massive tits while she massage my head. Absolute bliss.

It's 22:30 at night now; get on a motorcycle taxi and head to Kokoro. Get there and the receptionist tells me no availability. Oh well, walk back towards Soi Cowboy and it's going strong. Since I was in the mood for a nuru, I decide to go back to Chrome and then my hotel. But first, I take a long walk to Nana Plaza and check things out and a quick Pad Thai with Chang. Get to Chrome just before midnight, get the same girl and she proceeds to give me another nuru with blowjob and fucking. SOG#8. It's a good way to end the night.

For some reason, not entirely sure, I didn't feel like going back to my very cheap bedroom that overlooked a construction site so I went walking up to Nana and then back to Soi Cowboy. Lots of FLs walking around, talked to a few of them and the rates were between 2-3,000. Saw a few africans but they weren't that appealing to me. Near Soi Cowboy, found a place that offered legit massages that was supposed to be closed at midnight but still open. With all the "massages" I had today, none of them really gave me a proper massage and I was kind of wanting one. I asked very nicely if they were still offering a massage and they said yes. After I walked in, two more people came in asking for a massage and they were turned back rudely. Had a very nice massage, felt relaxed and re-energized.

Went walking along Sukhamvit and one of the prettier exotic girls I talked to earlier stopped me again and said "I was going to come back later, and well, now is later". It was 2,000 short time. I wasn't sure. She said, how about 3,500 for two girls. The other girl was also hot and I couldn't say no. But I was sensible enough to ask for 2 shots and both girls would be with my cock. None of this one girl sucking me while the other is in the bathroom. They looked offended at that and so off we went to my hotel.

They were a Kazakhstan girl and a spanish girl. Absolutely beautiful exotic looks. The Kazak was tall, dark haired with a fierce look while the spanish girl had blond hair and a tiny body. They were walking on either side of me, holding my hand and telling me their blowjob techniques. I couldn't enjoy it because I was so scared I was going to get robbed. I felt like I was being set up. I kept trying to look back to see if we were being followed, trying to think how to make this process as safe as possible. I didn't know where I was walking and all of a sudden the Kazakh girl says, "look, we are at Atlas Hotel. This is your hotel. ".

Like a robot, dazed, I walk in knowing the concierge will stop and ask the girls for ID and that comforts me from a safety perspective. He doesn't because the two girls talk to him in the sweetest voice as if they are residents here, he says "welcome back" to them and they waltz right past him. Argh! Get in the elevator, get into my room and they start undressing. As they are undressing, they are asking each other to lick their tits. I still can't enjoy myself, realize the door is unlcoked so go and lock it. I take off my trousers, put them on the desk and then realize I have to take a nervous pee. I go to the bathroom, knowing my wallet and cash are in my trousers so I keep the door open and take a piss. Come back and the Spanish girl is standing in front of the mirror, naked in heels, dancing and brushing her hair. The Kazak is laying on the bed, naked with Come Fuck Me Heels and looking at me in the most sexiest way. Have I said, they have perfect bodies?!

It's too much. Really. It's too much and I can't think.

The spanish girl asks for the money upfront and I realize this is it. This is the game. I am going to give her the money and they are going to walk out. This is the reason that they were free lancing on the street because they do runners. I say I will give it to them afterwards. The spanish girl says no problem, but just put the money on the table. I do so. Reluctantly.

What proceeds for the next hour or so is magical. They didn't do a runner. They stayed, they fucked me, they sucked me, they sucked each other, I grabbed ones tits while the other sucked / fucked me, I licked ones pussy while the other was on my dick. It was absolutely bliss. SOG#9 (I came on the Kazakhs tits and the spanish girl rubbed my cum all over her tits!) and SOG#10 (I came in Kazakhs pussy in doggy while the spanish was playing with my balls) were beautiful memories. It turns out, the two travel the world and escort for the money to go shopping and live life to the fullest.

Tonight just happened to be an off night for them.

Tonight just happened to be an awesome one-night-in-Bangkok for me.

The only downside of these two was they were really doing up the PSE talk and it was very fake. I asked them to stop that early on which everyone was happy with. Before they leave, they ask if everything is okay and ask me to make sure my valuables are safe. They were. Nothing was missing.

They leave and I am stunned, I am happy, not sure what to do but don't want to sleep. I head downstairs and thankfully, there is no concierge. It's now just before 4 am and Sukhamvit is almost dead. I am low on thai bhat so need to be thrifty. I see a few ladyboys, some are mutes which was interesting. I "talk" to a few of them and the price is around 1,500. At this point, I am just walking and decide to get a coffee at TomnToms. Before I get there, I see a thai FL, average looks, start talking and she says her price is 1,000 with two pops. I offer her 500 for one pop and she says no. I say I will be quick. Knowing there is no way I am going to be quick after the day I have had. She agrees to a quickie but I tell her I would like a coffee first so we go to TomnToms. There are some beautiful girls waiting there. Probably ladyboys. I get a coffee and she gets some Thai drink. We walk back to the hotel, chatting, drinking coffee and this time, the concierge looks at me with a look as if to say "Really? Which the thai FL thinks its about ID so she hands over her ID. The concierge is confused, I laugh and grab the ID and give it back to the girl.

Once in the room, some emberrasment starts. I didn't clean up and there are a few condoms on the ground from the two girls earlier. Unfazed, she cleans up. I decide to tell her that I can't come quick and can we do the 1,000 bhat and maybe even try the two shots. We have had good conversations while walking and drinking coffee so she is happy with the new deal. I tell her I want to do some other stuff and will offer her another 500 bhat as long as I come a second time. Apart from the 1,000 bhat I need for the taxi to get to the airport, I have no more money left. She is happy, I am happy. SOG#11 takes a while but it comes and she is very skilled. In between shots, she starts masterbating in front of me and that gets me back again. SOG#12 isn't happening and she is trying everything for that extra 500 bhat. Eventually, I have to jerk myself off on to her tits and even that was a struggle. But SOG#12 eventually happened and I just collapsed on top of her.

There is a reason why I mentioned all the SOGs and that's because at the airport and on the plane, I still had some regrets. What if I did "this" different? What if I had exchanged more money and spent more time with the Kazakh and Spanish. What if I had actually gone on LINE and booked Kokoro massage? What if I had gone to the Candy girl earlier and then come back to her a second time in the evening.

I was exhausted and very proud of how much I had accomplished, and yet, still had regret. It's a tough life out there.

A last thought to end on. I think Bangkok is back and open to being a premier mongering destination. There were no COVID requirements, I had no issues with immigration. Landing or departing. And everyone was genuinely happy to see the tourists again. If any one has been holding or not sure about going to Thailand, I say do it![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oneminuteboy;2752627]Great report. Hope you have the contacts of some of these ladies for future trips / stops.[/QUOTE]Do you believe in fairly tales, too?

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2752440]I had a short layover in Bangkok this week and decided to take advantage of it. I landed at 1 pm and was flying out the next day at 8. Around 18-19 hours.

A last thought to end on. I think Bangkok is back and open to being a premier mongering destination. There were no COVID requirements, I had no issues with immigration. Landing or departing. And everyone was genuinely happy to see the tourists again. If any one has been holding or not sure about going to Thailand, I say do it![/QUOTE]Reading this made me look up flights to BKK. LOL.

Great FR, tagged it for future use (hopefully soon).

Legit Business don't do that. Raise prices when Demand is down.

1. Hotels all over the Kingdom have reduced prices.

2. Pizza Co. Lowered Small Personal Pan Pizza from 139 baht to 119 baht.

3. Rainbow Bars Cola prices still at 100 baht from 160 pre Coronavirus.

Awesome piece, mother of all reports. Well written and adds information for new mongers. Well done mate!

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2752440]I had a short layover in Bangkok this week and decided to take advantage of it. I landed at 1 pm and was flying out the next day at 8. Around 18-19 hours.

The landing and immigration process was very smooth. Since the new changes came in effect Oct 1, I did not need any insurance or quarantine restrictions. Immigration was a breeze and probably one of the shortest turnaround times I have experienced. I had no luggage except my carry on and so I headed straight for the Air Rail into town.

I didn't really have a plan except to go to a BJ bar and drink the afternoon away, get a soapy or nuru massage, or both, get some rest and head back to the airport early the next morning. If I was in the mood, go look for an african FL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2752440]Around 18-19 hours. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2752440]
But SOG#12 eventually happened and I just collapsed on top of her.

[/QUOTE]19 hours and 12 times? Since weed is now legal, I wonder what did you smoke to be this creative?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2752519]Update on Rain4/5. Briskally Brisk Business. No Rain.

Noteworthy note. One Rainbow 5 girl was obviously obvious on some kind of Narcotics. Not an expert here so no idea what kind.

Stay away from Her.

Got to hand it to Rainbow s 4/5. Good model of Business. They let their girls earn Mucho Money.

Girl go short time bar and girl wins. Girls get two customers. Double win. Everybody Happy.[/QUOTE]No doubt, good for the bars, multiple bar fines per girl per night. And I guess good for the girls, multiple paydays.

But for the punters... For sure, I'm old, but back in the mid to late 90's (damn, sound like my father, "By cracky, those young whippersnappers") but MY experience, most girls (good lookers from Voodoo, G-Spot, Rainbow...) were content with a single LT rather than multiple ST's. Sure, some of the superstars would prefer the multiple ST's, but a LT which ticked off 1 bar fine on her bar quota, she was OK with that. And more than happy if I, being [I]happy[/I], told her the following morning she should just come to the hotel that evening and we'd go together to pay the bar fine. And once trust was earned, I could just give her the bar fine that morning, telling her to pay, and come to the hotel. Of course, back then, not many had mobiles, so if you wanted to see her, or she find customers, it'd be at the bar.

Rather than the ST quickie, you could say you were hungry, she'd take you out to some hole-in-the-wall place with good, cheap Thai food. Or go clubbing. I remember one club, think Soi 19, up a NARROW and STEEP flight of stairs, medium size room inside, band playing Issan music, a few falangs but not many, many people dancing, encouraging a falang to jump in and dance, smiling, laughing, when you did. I always thought that if there were ever a fire, we'd all die as the bottleneck to get out would literally be a killer.

Or a LARGE barn like structure, 1 TALL story (2 story height) , tin roof, maybe out on Petchabury road. Large stage inside, singers, dancers, comedians, taking their turns. MANY wooden picnic tables, rows and rows, set in a U around the stage, always packed with Thais, again a few falang there. You'd sit down where you could find space at a table, the Thais there would warmly welcome you, many times dishing up some food from their own order, and passing it to you. You'd order food and return the favor. The place was monstrous (as I remember).

I remember one time, think it was a Rainbow, Nana Plaza, ground floor, far right corner from the entrance, had spotted a dazzler one night, except she was attached. Damn. Back the next night, just as I was walking in, she was walking out, again attached. I would never assume, back then, that she'd be back the same night. So... The next night, I got there before the bars opened, around 18:30, sat at the beer bar outside of Rainbow, looking for her to arrive. Couple of stools down, girl sits down, putting on makeup. Could it be? In profile, not certain, so I leaned over and asked if she worked Rainbow. She nodded yes, continued with the makeup. All her gold chains (she obviously popular) was the recognition confirmation. I told her I wanted to see her that night, right then. She gave me a disparaging look, as in "BS, Cheap Charlie, no bar fine jumpers here. " I told her the exact events, had seen her the previous 2 nights, but she was [I]occupied[/I], so I'd returned tonight to specifically pull her. Now she gave me the "Really?" look. Told her I'd pay the bar fine right then and there. Didn't I want to go inside the bar when it opened? No need, I was there to see her. She smiled, flattered, took the bar fine, went inside, returned a few minutes later, and off we went. (To be clear, sometime in there, I'd verified the [I]service[/I] charge, it was reasonable, and everything worked out.) She was pleased she had a guaranteed income for the night, and I got to scratch that itch.

No longer first hand experience, but from what I've heard and read, much more mercenary now. Doing some research before returning (thanks to those here) plus other places, somewhere I read where the bars themselves were [I]encouraging[/I] their workers for ST, like be back in an hour. Really? I agree with that author: I understand the bar has to make a profit and they want a bar full of girls, but a bar fine (what is it now?) to [I]compensate[/I] for her brief loss of time to them. I could see [I]back then[/I], when she'd be gone the night, but for an hour or two?

By the way, for newbies, install the LINE app on your mobile. You find [I]quality[/I], exchange LINE ID's. OK, you can't be like a Pokeman collector, moderation goes a long way, but is VERY helpful in reconnecting on a return visit. Returning after 3 years, I'm batting .750, 3 out of 4. And the failure is because I was complacent and didn't get her LINE while at the MP, one of those "Arnold Schwarzenegger" [I]"I'll be back"[/I] but wasn't. Checked out the MP's website early this year just as Thailand opened again, and she was there. But on checking more recently, she wasn't (obviously, they hadn't updated their web pages). Queried the MP, they confirmed she no longer worked there, but they had others. DUH. I don't bypass the MP employer, I just message her to book the appointment, then meet her there. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Alpanico;2752893]19 hours and 12 times? Since weed is now legal, I wonder what did you smoke to be this creative?[/QUOTE]My best guess it's just a compilation of recent experiences.

Dates don't Matter.

As I make my daily and nightly rounds through the lower Sukhimvit red light districts I notice even on the busiest nights of the week, Friday and Saturday, a couple of the go-go bars in Nana Plaza and on Soi Cowboy are packed with customers while most others are practically empty. I'm talking about nights when it isn't raining, the weather could not be better, plenty of girls on the stages or sitting around, most often no remarkably greater percentage of lookers and doables in one or another bar.

Yet, the streets are jammed with traffic, restaurants are packed with customers, the malls are packed with customers, all as crowded as much if not more crowded as the highest high season I have experienced in my ten years of living here.

Why aren't the go-go bars in the two biggest areas, Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy more packed with paying customers, especially since the third one, Patpong, has barely reopened yet?

On a possibly related note; Friday night, lovely weather, I had a last minute "oops, my period just started" cancellation excuse from a long term favorite freelancer. So around 10 pm I ventured into Nana Plaza to check out the market. I bought LDs for above average looking but not top tier girls in two different bars that were not particularly crowded at all, Random 1 and Geisha Bar. The cuddling and kissy chemistry in the booth was fine, very promising.

I got my "No" to BBFS from each, "No" to a CIM finish BBBJ from one, "Ok" to a CIM finish BBBJ from the other but she would not budge from 3,000 baht to her for Short Time.

I felt 3,000 + 1,000 (the barfine) was way to steep for what would amount to a BBBJ+CIM+SPIT from that mid 30's MILF that I know I could get for 800 - 1000 just about anywhere. So I thanked her for her time, paid my bar tab, went back to my apartment.

Nothing particularly rare about that. I have gotten two in a row "No"s to what I want or no budging from silly quotes and called it a night many times. Just relating it as a possibly related Report.

Back in my apartment I rested up for a much, much more rewarding BBFS+CIP Long Time Overnight the next evening with an adorable 20 year old university student for 3,000 baht total, not counting the 200 baht I paid for her Thai food dinner at a Soi 8 restaurant.

Do Wyndham Bangkok Queen Convention Centre is guest friendly?

Poseidon massage and maria massage girl can you take them to your hotel?

Landed at 1 pm and came 3 times by 4 pm, put down that pipe bruva.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2752504]I have never met any foreign woman on that stretch of Suk so also interested in where you encountered them.[/QUOTE]It was between Soi 3 and 7/1. The other side of Sukhumvit was dead.

If you know what Montezuma's revenge is, then not only are you as old as I am, but you're from North America. Cause*on this day, on this most momentous of days, I got the Thai version. What I will call Rama's Revenge. Man, it was bad. From morning till mid day. Was it bad chicken? Was it covid? Was it herpes? Was it the flu? Monkeypox? Was it the side effects of the wonder pill? Whatever it was, I was on the throne on and off all fucking day. It had to happen I suppose. I think it was the chicken from the day before. Maybe a little undercooked. What started out as a bad day turned out to be one of the better ones, amazingly enough. *.

Dream Heaven Massage: Finally had Yumi! After skipping her from a lineup 2 weeks ago, to seeing her open the door to beckon me in the times I walked by, I had to have her. To say she's stunning is an understatement. She's so gorgeous most men would kill for her. Perfect face, cute bangs, fantastic juicy naturals. When she was riding me cowgirl, looking at the way the light was sculpting her amazing body, it was like porn. I didn't care at all that she wouldn't let me suck her titties or that the blowjob was covered. Her beauty was astounding, and her english was definitely better than most. Sex multiple positions, and she tried to make me cum with my dick between her tits, but to no avail. But she was patient enough to let me fuck her doggy again with condom 2, and bam! I came. Excellent. Says she's from Chiang Mai. At this point I've met girls from all over, some from Bangkok itself. But again most of the stories are strikingly similar and parallel a lot of what I've seen for myself decades ago. I get it's the culture and all that, but none of us ever ask to be born in the first place, but to be born to have to carry the burden of family like that, just cause they were born girls. It's cruel if you ask me. With few occupational options, they end up at places where*degenerates like us meet them. Natural see cups on Yumi, a fantastic time was had by me. Sweet and friendly, a little quirky and weird too. My god, what an ass. Not GFE at all, but her sheer beauty is enough to carry me through. *.

Venus: Wiwi again, and this time a little bit of phone tag confusion, so we end up at the shop instead of my hotel, well, good for me cause I'm paying less and getting more. This time, the 3rd time with Wiwi, I finally came during sex. Which is great, cause if I still couldn't do it, she would blow me until I came in her mouth. Sweet as always, friendly and wanted to keep in touch. She's had a kid, so her pussy being not so tight isn't a really good theory for my*inability*to come sometimes. Again, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes I can come pretty fast with sex with some girls, sometimes it just won't happen. Go figure. *A good fuck is a good fuck, at my age I don't get too picky. But yes, GFE are hard to come by, and on this whole trip so far I would say the real passionate, lovey-dovey GFE types are few, but worth it. Wiwi is definitely one. Haru in my future reports was definitely one, Lily no doubt, and Aer too, not forgetting Noey. Not the bad Noey, the good one, so many of them have the same fake names. I've lost count of how many Yumi's, Yuki's and Yuri's I came across. **.

Soi 11 : Went down memory lane. This is how clueless I was on my last trip to Bangkok. I actually stayed here to be 'close' to Nana, not even knowing that Nana is just ok and that this whole freakin' street is full of bars and shit, some kinda cool spot for people to hang out. But I'm staying somewhere else this time, closer to cowboy, and a way better area if you ask me. Closer to the oilies. But if you're big into the party scene, then soi 11 is for you. *.

Ola Ola: I am the customer. Me. Yet this place treated me like I was begging them to see their girls. Puh-lease, this is Bangkok. Too many options to have to deal with their bullshit. Via Line, there was an inane amount of back and forth, trying to commit me to an appointment, and I've been through enough to know to avoid that if possible, and I was like can't I just walk in to see the line up? I said and very reasonably so, why would I just pick a girl when I can't even see the face, and a good 30 minutes later, they sent me the face picks and when I didn't respond, they actually deleted it. Via Line, I've dealt with, and will continue to deal with many of these massage / oilie / nuru joints, but this place really takes the cake. Can't be bothered with them, and this is another one of those places recommended by a particular website, of which I will speak on a little later. *.

I can't remember now if I reported on this already, or if it's going to come up in my future reports, but it's worth mentioning. In Nana, on the second floor, was it one of the Rainbows? Can't remember which gogo now, but I saw a security guard turn away a customer at the door. Like he looked at him, and motioned him to turn around and leave. This guy plus his friends were from the part of the world associated with the word 'subcontinent'. There's a number of subcontinents*on the planet, I'll just say it's an Asian subcontinent. I've read about this phenomenon, and from what I've also heard on the ground, from the girls themselves as well, they seem to have a somewhat colorful, albeit slightly*negative reputation. I don't want to paint*an entire grouping of people to be bad, I'm sure there are many fine fellas from that group, but when I saw that happen for myself, I then realized, well whadya know, it does happen. Seemingly at random, some dudes just get turned away at the entrances of some gogo bars. In my future report, I'll mention a girl who told me that she specifically doesn't want to work with them either. That is quite interesting. *.

Day 16 Last day of tourism just for shits and giggles, saw another what, etc.

Thonglor Massage One: Picked Bebe, and honestly couldn't tell what was going on with the braces, or was it food stuck in there? Not that attractive, but attractive enough. But strangely English was quite strong. Based on the things she was telling me about herself and why she doesn't escort, why she chose this place that's in a quieter neighborhood, I suspect that she could be more along the lines of middle class who fell on hard times. Maybe even went to an international type school in Bangkok. We never go to places for the massage itself, but wasn't bad, no BJ or anything, but sex was ok, came in doggy. An ok time was had. If I had to say she looks like a less attractive version of Avena Lee. If you know who I'm talking about then you're really old school like me. *.

Maid Cafe: Very tempted to walk in here since it's right there not too far from Thonglor Massage One, but as I peeked in the window, I saw the 'maids' wearing their masks. Which is fine, but in a situation where there's no sex, and now you can't even tell if the chicks are cute or not, what's the point? I get it, it's just a cafe, but I just didn't see the point. *.

Pretty Massage: Being in the Thonglor area, I decided to stop by Pretty Massage, the oily that's literally next to Momo in the small alleyway headed to the back of Nikko Hotel. Had Bam, which from the photo, they let me see her in real life and she's quite a looker. Luckily for me, she's pretty good in bed too. Service oriented, and though she moaned a bit about me needing to use a second condom since my old man dick gave up, I gave her a tip for not giving up. I freakin' came in doggy. Thank you Bam, wham bam thank you ma'am. I need to make a small correction to one of my previous reviews (Jasmine from Picasso was found here, not Momo massage, with so many girls, so many places, I think my confusion is understandable). One note, this place had a clock! One of the few places that only had a clock, but it worked. These 2 places side by side to each other, Momo and Pretty, they honor their time commitments to the minute. So kudos to them. Most places will get to or close to the time, but this place is pretty precise. *.

Addict: Having had Lily 3 times at Addict, I wanted to try someone different here and had Mona. Shapely, pretty with big naturals, long BBBJ, and I managed* to come in doggy, friendly enough but even at 90 min I did feel kinda rushed a bit. I actually wanted to tip her at the end, but the last few minutes were so rushed, I didn't even get the chance. All good to me. *This whole day cost about as much as that one session from the terrible escort that day, the more I think about it, the more I've learned what not to do, what to do, Jesus H Christ willing that I get to come back again to do this. 3 hot fucks for the price of one shitty escort. Go figure. To each his own. But I'm definitely an oily / massage place guy, for sure. *.

Got to add, before I forget, some places like Kokoro have an audio warning system to let people know in the lobby that a customer is walking down. For Kokoro it's a hilarious plastic duck noise maker thing, other places just have the girl shout, some use bells. It's pretty neat. *.

Before I go on with the rest of the days, let's talk about 7-11. It's fucking amazing here! Like Mcdonald's, why are the American shit way more awesome outside of the US? In the US Mcd's and 7-11 is shit. Setup is shit, customer service is shit. But 7-11 in Thailand is like Duane Reade on crack. Friendly, capable, hardworking staff. Grocery store, deli, pharmacy all in one. Hot food. Fresh food. Everything. Awesome selection of Thai food favorites. Get this fellas. If you buy 2 drinks, they give you 2 straws! Holy shit. Very prompt payment processing too. Say what you want about Asian people, but you can't beat their work ethic. It's awe inspiring. *.

I notice too that it's pretty random when it comes to the girl whether she wants to arrange with you for a time out at your hotel without letting the boss know, or if she feels like she has to let the boss know. Some are pretty cavalier about it, exchanging Lines, etc. But some are pretty paranoid, and in some places you see a little sign that says no exchanging of contact information. Go figure. *.

As mentioned earlier I only tip if the girl is friendly and doesn't give up on me, so it means I generally cum. Best if it's sex, or CIM. But over the duration of this trip, I've become more pragmatic about hand jobs. Cause I think of it like this. If it's a hot girl giving me a hand job, it's still better than me giving myself the handy. Especially if it happens right after I've fucked her, or she's blown me all day. *.

So far I've had more than a few encounters with girls that work in 2 places. Like Rita that was both at Thaniya and Thermae, or Dear who's at Thermae at night, and All Stars in the day. Man, you got to give them' credit for the hustle they got to pull, the amount of work they got to do to pull in the dough. How hard they work, puts us in the west to shame. Honestly. *We're so lazy by comparison. *.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2752031]That name brings back some fond memories. 6,7 years ago, had an [I]assignation[/I] at Snow White, Soi 26. Bit early, so decided I'd walk up the soi a bit, then walk back. As I was walking, a door pops open. Mid-afternoon, there were 2 ladies in FULL evening dresses, 1 with a DEEP V neck and some VERY NICE cleavage showing. After a couple of decades visiting Thailand, I figured I was past surprises, but that certainly did. Passed on the invite due to previous [I]engagement[/I], but bookmarked. Remembered the advice of an old Thai hand from decades ago: Don't be like a kid in a candy store, "I want that, no this, no that, no that. Just pick one, take, enjoy, then return later to sample another [I]candy[/I]".

Returned several days later, just walked past as curious if the "Jill-in-the-Box" would repeat. It did, though, this time, 2 younger women in street clothes. Went inside, besides the 2, there were 3 others sitting in a row of chairs along the window, looking out the drawn curtain for likely [I]candidates[/I]. I checked the prices, decent, same as other places. I picked one of the attractive "Jills-in-the-Box", and up we went along a STEEP and NARROW staircase. Small room, but clean, a/c worked, small shower stall in the room. She (as usual) left to grab her kit. As I somewhat remember, we showered together, she starting a BBBJ in the shower. Then to the bed where I received a very decent massage from strong hands. Then, flipped over on back and we got down to the nitty-gritty. Very enjoyable, enjoyable enough, in the ensuing years, I'd visit once a trip and take the same girl. It must have been VERY enjoyable as it wasn't until a couple of years later I realized that the Soi 26 door was the back door; the front door was on the Soi 24 alley (the time I did leave from the front, besides the 4-5 girls at the back window, there were another 6-8 inside the front door or sitting on the patio outside).

I can't say there was anything special, but the "Jill-in-the-Box" I ALWAYS enjoyed. Decent place, good service where you're remembered. Haven't been there in 4 years, so now, can't say. But on my return this year, I will see if the "Jill-in-the-Box" still works.[/QUOTE]That's a good way of putting it actually, "Jill in the box". Yeah it was kinda funny how everytime I walked past, a girl would pop out of the door to tempt me in, I do admit most were attractive. If there's a next time for me in Bangkok, I should give this place a try.

[QUOTE=Kookey;2751976]Is this a BJ only or FS offered place? Please shed some light, this is on my list.

And other question, is this the place - [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/KPCNosMZ31bUDd1SA[/URL] ??[/QUOTE]Yes this is the place and it's FS, the girl I got anyway was FS.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2751888]One of the most sensible post here. This forum need Thank you and Upvote option for such posts.[/QUOTE]Thank you JasonSilva, I appreciate the support. Just like in the Prague section of our vaunted forum here, I always hope to keep a positive and civil discourse going with my reports. I do my best to give honest opinions of my experiences on the ground. This is what I saw, felt, etc. Empathy, a little bit of understanding and regard for their culture and language goes a long way in any country.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2751088]Sorry you had such a terrible experience, but man, you just have to send her away with no money all. There is absolutely no reason to do anything else when something like that happens.

I cannot remember ever hearing about any agency retaliating, and it would not make any sense for them to do it either. If the woman / escort herself becomes angry or tries to make a scene, you just need to call the reception and tell them there is a problem and send security to your room.

I understand if you might want to pay up rather than risk a confrontation, but man, I wince when I read stuff like this.[/QUOTE]Dude, tell me about it. I've had more than my share of run ins with locals all over South East Asia, I don't mess around. I can only hope something like her doesn't ever happen again. All I can say is with escorts you've never had before, buyer beware. I'm just glad there's a forum like this to share the experience and to rant about it.

BKK Happy: Yes! Noey is back and saw her today, and boy am I glad. She seemed a little flustered in the beginning, but I understood quick that that was her m. O. It's her ritual in a way to begin the session. You'll see it, it's kinda adorable. But from her I learned the amazing fact that all the tools of her trade, the little basket they bring around with the mouth wash, condoms, soap, etc. It's all on them. They pay for that shit. So do them a favor sometimes and bring your own condom if you need more than one. Not saying my dick is huge, but the ones they use tend to the smaller size. Ha, I can say that now since the wonder pill makes me so hard, I actually have a nice sized dick for a change instead of the limp disaster from past times. In a way, I saw how the donuts were made today, first time seeing a guy being escorted out as I was coming in for the same girl, but let's face it. We know the deal. It is what it is. Just shut your mind to it and for 90 minutes pretend it's just you. Just like 2 weeks ago she was very friendly, very smiley,*very active, and tried very very hard to make me cum. I finally did cum, through a BJ / HJ combo and I accidentally sprayed cum onto her hair, sexy! Same room even, and even with 2 weeks she remembered me still. What a sweetheart, such a gem, a real keeper this one. Tipped her. And so should you guys when you see her. Treat her like a princess. They don't come as good as her. She's a rare one. She tried so hard for me, we went beyond time as well. The first time that's happened on this trip. I did see Champagne on the way out, and man oh man, what a stunner. No time though. *.

Aurora: This is the Aurora that used to be Puru Puru, and from the line up picked Ray. In hindsight I shoulda just gone with Champagne back at BKK Happy. While Ray was friendly enough, no BJ and not much of anything. Sweet and kind, but kinda lazy, the sex was ok and somehow I managed to come in doggy. Lazy in the fact that she spent the last 10 min asleep too. Jeez. Says she spent some time at the gogobars of Phuket, so that might go a ways to explaining this. The bar girls, like the karaoke girls, like the Thermae girls, tend towards getting you off with minimal effort, coasting on their looks. But these massage / sauna / soapie girls, especially these more mid budget places, some of them work very hard. Just got to be lucky to land one. It's weird for me, in that the harder the girl tries for me, the less the odds of me being able to come from the sex itself. CIM no problem though. Could be coincidence but a lot of the real sweethearts I've had so far, the pussy just wasn't tight enough, or maybe I wasn't fucking right. It's said sex is mostly in the mind, but tell that to my dick. Whatever, the magic pill has done wonders for me on this trip. *.

Got to say I've had more listerine, more massages and more showers than I've ever had in my life on this trip. More jacuzzis too. Fan-fucking-tastic. Not the listerine bit. Hell, even with the Grab, Metro and BTS, I must've walked 50 miles by the end of this trip. Talk about exercise. And the heat with all the sweating, vitamin the from the sun. This place might be healthier for you guys than anyone realizes. Certainly for me. Well, maybe not the food. If I stayed any longer, I'd eaten myself to death. Like my idiot old man. Ha! Just an observation, the traffic here is so insane, especially on the main Sukhumvit road, that buildings, especially the fancier ones will have a flag guy to wave traffic down to stop, so a car could drive out. Just incredible. *.

Don Quixote: It seems no one here actually knows how to pronounce 'Don Quixote', ha. This one was a real downer. Mamasan showed me photos, and though 'many' girls were available, and I should've stuck with the one I wanted, she finagled me into Jesse, and while not the worst session of this trip, she is definitely one I would not pick in a lineup. Not attractive in the least, at least her body was ok, and thank Zeus I did only an hour. Just couldn't cum though, the whole time I just could not look at her face, and mamasan said she was 'popular' and the service was great. Man, good thing the whole situation was cheap. Clearly, mamasan just wanted her to have a customer on this day. If that was excellent service, then it was pretty bog standard. I was expecting that with a face like that, maybe she did way more like rimming, but nuh-uh. Look, I can say all this shit, cause I'm ugly as sin too. Only ugly people get to call other people ugly. But 'popular'? Mamasan said she was popular? Puh-lease. At this point, I've done 2 other girls from this place, reported on some time ago. Pick those other 2 instead of this chick. *.

RSK: I did walk into this place and though mamasan wanted to give me a line up, all the girls were sitting outside anyway, from the Line communications the girl I wanted had just left. Apparently this place qualifies as a 'kapoo' as well. RIght in the middle of all the other massage / oily joints? During the lockdowns, this must've been one of the places that switched out to being a 'kapoo' to cater to local customers to keep themselves going. Interesting. *.

Nana: I won't say where and who, cause I really want to keep her to myself. But she came up with a pretty solid reason not to be barfined by me, and I theorized that this must really be the beginning of where girls are encouraged to hustle for more lady drinks as opposed to being barfined out. Obviously, it's to the benefit of the bar itself, they could give a shit how much the girl makes for herself. So to compensate, I bought her just one lady drink, and left. Let's see how things pan out in the future if I ever get to go back to Bangkok. *.

There's this website where I won't name names, but it's a synonym of stone or another geologically hard material. Or a musical genre. Anyway, he'll write on places around the world and occasionally*places in Bangkok. I've learned now that he's clearly being paid to say really good things about these places. Yes, we're not idiots, don't trust any review you read out there. Use it as knowledge of a place's existence, but believe me, it's nowhere near as awesome as some of those reports would have you believe. Case in point, Ola-Ola, Hunny Bunny, Picasso, Casanova, etc. *.

As promised in an earlier post I would share the highlight experience / encounter in my Thailand trip.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-bangkok/linda-in-bangkok-independent?utf8=%E2%9C%93&location=Bangkok[/URL]

After spending way to much time online trying to research escorts and a bit weary of all the positive reviews I arranged a meeting with Linda.

Linda is girl next door, nymph fire cracker.

She arrived at my hotel on time, after exchanging pleasantries straight to the shower, cock in mouth for some serious DT. Lots of lathering with soap, washing, finger banging DFK.

If there was a modern day geisha Linda would be it.

After shower on the the bed, where she used lots of oil lots of body sliding and genital sliding, crazy things with her legs. Lots of rimming and funky positions. I could have sworn that she must of worked at Doki Doki before as it was a very similar experience to my first visit to Doki Doki, unfortunately my recent trip was a disappointment but everything seemed disappointing after Linda.

I think the first finish of the two hours was a huge load all over her face and hair, which I had been saving a few days just for her and she loved it, so did I.

Pretty much spent the rest of the time more fucking, she has lots of energy. I don't think there is much she won't do, of course ymmv.

At the end of the session she made my bed tucked in the sheets etc. I then knew she was be a repeat.

Second session was in same hotel but got I room with a bath, which was unfortunately two small but still had some wild fucking in there followed by another less epic facial.

I was going to see her a third time but never made it back to Bangkok before having to head home.

Yes 4 k (2 H) is pricey compared to a FL or even get a a spicy go go 20 year old but the service and attention she will give you is worth every damn penny.

A Rainbow 4 girl I like but never Barfined, I'm not really sure she like me like I like her. She more of the really shy demure type. Hahaha.

She hooked a 300 plus pounder Asian.

I' couldn't sleep thinking what on Earth could they be doing.

I'm hoping she didn't get Hurt.

She can't be over 93 pounds herself.

First and foremast, I salute you for some quality and fun FR's. Definitely Report of Distinction material. Inspiring, and useful, even for a old hand member.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753391]If you know what Montezuma's revenge is, then not only are you as old as I am, but you're from North America. [/QUOTE]Or as it's known in the Middle East, a [I]shawarma blowout[/I], and by blowout, I mean EXPLOSIVE. Just be thankful you had access to a western toilet. Unless you have EXCELLENT thigh muscles, bombsights will be the death of you.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753391]At this point I've met girls from all over, some from Bangkok itself. But again most of the stories are strikingly similar and parallel a lot of what I've seen for myself decades ago. I get it's the culture and all that, but none of us ever ask to be born in the first place, but to be born to have to carry the burden of family like that, just cause they were born girls. It's cruel if you ask me.[/QUOTE]That filial duty is a back-breaker.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753391]I can't remember now if I reported on this already, or if it's going to come up in my future reports, but it's worth mentioning. In Nana, on the second floor, was it one of the Rainbows? Can't remember which gogo now, but I saw a security guard turn away a customer at the door. Like he looked at him, and motioned him to turn around and leave. This guy plus his friends were from the part of the world associated with the word 'subcontinent'. There's a number of subcontinents*on the planet, I'll just say it's an Asian subcontinent. I've read about this phenomenon, and from what I've also heard on the ground, from the girls themselves as well, they seem to have a somewhat colorful, albeit slightly*negative reputation. I don't want to paint*an entire grouping of people to be bad, I'm sure there are many fine fellas from that group, but when I saw that happen for myself, I then realized, well whadya know, it does happen. Seemingly at random, some dudes just get turned away at the entrances of some gogo bars. In my future report, I'll mention a girl who told me that she specifically doesn't want to work with them either. That is quite interesting. *.[/QUOTE]They have a reputation of being Lookie-Lous, trying not to buy a drink, fondling the ladies, not [I]playing[/I] nice. OBVIOUSLY a generalization, but the old cliche of "a few bad apples". For different reasons, male Thais seem not to be allowed in clubs unless with a falang. Several times, I've been asked to take a Thai male friend with me. Why? I was just told that if he tried to go alone, there would be problems.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753392]Addict: Having had Lily 3 times at Addict, I wanted to try someone different here and had Mona. Shapely, pretty with big naturals, long BBBJ, and I managed* to come in doggy, friendly enough but even at 90 min I did feel kinda rushed a bit. [/QUOTE]It's been a number of years since I've entered Addict. My [I]gripe[/I] there is way TOO much silicone. MY experience, most girls got [I]theirs[/I] from a hospital, not from Mom. I did find one natural, with FANTASTIC service (I had asked for several [I]known[/I] names, but none were available. In the subsequent lineup, she was the only one in civvies (manager explained she was a new hire waiting on uniform, suggesting I take her) and with the best real smile. In the room, she was apologizing for a) not being a "name", and b) not having BIG breasts. They were fine and natural). Made some short trips outside of Thailand, came back couple of weeks later. No Cake. Desk didn't know her, most girls shook their head. Finally one did recognize her, said she had left (duh), no business. Somehow, I just had the feeling she couldn't compete with the [I]artificial[/I] endowments with most patrons. Shame, but she was a winner. This was before Line, and I didn't get her mobile number. Complacency strikes again.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753392]I notice too that it's pretty random when it comes to the girl whether she wants to arrange with you for a time out at your hotel without letting the boss know, or if she feels like she has to let the boss know. Some are pretty cavalier about it, exchanging Lines, etc. But some are pretty paranoid, and in some places you see a little sign that says no exchanging of contact information. Go figure. *.[/QUOTE]If there's a rapport, I do ask for a Line contact. I don't try and bypass the boss, just use it to keep in touch and ask them to book the appointment at the MP.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753392]As mentioned earlier I only tip if the girl is friendly and doesn't give up on me, so it means I generally cum. Best if it's sex, or CIM. But over the duration of this trip, I've become more pragmatic about hand jobs. Cause I think of it like this. If it's a hot girl giving me a hand job, it's still better than me giving myself the handy. Especially if it happens right after I've fucked her, or she's blown me all day. *.[/QUOTE]Being [I]of age[/I], I know my limits, even with chemical enhancements. I recommend Sakura Akasuri & Massage, Sukhumvit Soi 55 (near soi 6 on 55, short walk from Thong Lo BTS station). The salt tapping (salt poured on your wet body, then scrubbed with a luffa mit), steam towels, lotion massage is always one of my stops. One large room, divided into wet and dry sections. HJ, BJ, and maybe FS extras, between you and the girl. Usually, I'll stick with the HJ given it's a [I]no pitch[/I] day. But if you want to feel REALLY clean (and know where EVERY skin break is on your body) , salt is the way to go.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2749833]Addict Massage: Back to Lily for the 3rd time. She's even more GFE with me now, but also because of that there's less attention in a way, more time spent on her phone, cause now she's used to me. I'm figuring from this, unless more is arranged or agreed*upon, 3 times is about the max you're going to get from a girl when it comes to really good service. [/QUOTE]Can happen. First phone [I]pause[/I], yellow card. Another phone [I]pause[/I], red card. I don't consider myself a creature of habit, but if I find someone [I]fun[/I], I do repeat. With at least one, over a number of years. But I do agree, 3 times does seem to be the separation line. I remember one Soi 23 MP girl, that 3rd time, she didn't heed the caution, so I cut the session short, paid, and left. She was "Don't be mad, don't be mad. " Wasn't mad, just unacceptable behavior. On the other hand, I was in a place where I thought a happy ending was probably on offer, but not sure if more. Decent massage, and after the front massage, she started drawing circles around my crotch, asking "extra?" Price check, happy ending. Next time, I was curious, so as she was massaging my back, kneeling next to me in shorts, I ran my hand up the back of her leg. She asked the dumb question, "You want sex?" Yes, please. 3rd time, I took a shower, laid down, she just stripped naked, got into bed with me. No pretense of a massage, which was a bit of a shame as she did offer a decent one. But I am willing to make sacrifices.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753401]Don Quixote: It seems no one here actually knows how to pronounce 'Don Quixote', ha. This one was a real downer. Mamasan showed me photos, and though 'many' girls were available, and I should've stuck with the one I wanted, she finagled me into Jesse, and while not the worst session of this trip, she is definitely one I would not pick in a lineup. Not attractive in the least, at least her body was ok, and thank Zeus I did only an hour. Just couldn't cum though, the whole time I just could not look at her face, and mamasan said she was 'popular' and the service was great. Man, good thing the whole situation was cheap. Clearly, mamasan just wanted her to have a customer on this day. [/QUOTE]Mixed obligations. She wants to keep her girls working, but she also needs repeat customers.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753401]There's this website where I won't name names, but it's a synonym of stone or another geologically hard material. Or a musical genre. Anyway, he'll write on places around the world and occasionally*places in Bangkok. I've learned now that he's clearly being paid to say really good things about these places. Yes, we're not idiots, don't trust any review you read out there. Use it as knowledge of a place's existence, but believe me, it's nowhere near as awesome as some of those reports would have you believe. Case in point, Ola-Ola, Hunny Bunny, Picasso, Casanova, etc. *.[/QUOTE]Say something bad about a place, post a bad review, you can / will be sued. It is possible to have your passport taken by the police as the case winds its way through the SLOW court system. So I take any site reviews with a grain of salt, relying more on customer reviews.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753401]BKK Happy: Yes! Noey is back and saw her today, and boy am I glad. She seemed a little flustered in the beginning, but I understood quick that that was her m. O. It's her ritual in a way to begin the session. You'll see it, it's kinda adorable. But from her I learned the amazing fact that all the tools of her trade, the little basket they bring around with the mouth wash, condoms, soap, etc. It's all on them. They pay for that shit. So do them a favor sometimes and bring your own condom if you need more than one. Not saying my dick is huge, but the ones they use tend to the smaller size. Ha, I can say that now since the wonder pill makes me so hard, I actually have a nice sized dick for a change instead of the limp disaster from past times. In a way, I saw how the donuts were made today, first time seeing a guy being escorted out as I was coming in for the same girl, but let's face it. We know the deal. It is what it is. Just shut your mind to it and for 90 minutes pretend it's just you. Just like 2 weeks ago she was very friendly, very smiley,*very active, and tried very very hard to make me cum. I finally did cum, through a BJ / HJ combo and I accidentally sprayed cum onto her hair, sexy! Same room even, and even with 2 weeks she remembered me still. What a sweetheart, such a gem, a real keeper this one. Tipped her. And so should you guys when you see her. Treat her like a princess. They don't come as good as her. She's a rare one. She tried so hard for me, we went beyond time as well. The first time that's happened on this trip. I did see Champagne on the way out, and man oh man, what a stunner. No time though. *.

Aurora: This is the Aurora that used to be Puru Puru, and from the line up picked Ray. In hindsight I shoulda just gone with Champagne back at BKK Happy. While Ray was friendly enough, no BJ and not much of anything. Sweet and kind, but kinda lazy, the sex was ok and somehow I managed to come in doggy. Lazy in the fact that she spent the last 10 min asleep too. Jeez. Says she spent some time at the gogobars of Phuket, so that might go a ways to explaining this. The bar girls, like the karaoke girls, like the Thermae girls, tend towards getting you off with minimal effort, coasting on their looks. But these massage / sauna / soapie girls, especially these more mid budget places, some of them work very hard. Just got to be lucky to land one. It's weird for me, in that the harder the girl tries for me, the less the odds of me being able to come from the sex itself. CIM no problem though. Could be coincidence but a lot of the real sweethearts I've had so far, the pussy just wasn't tight enough, or maybe I wasn't fucking right. It's said sex is mostly in the mind, but tell that to my dick. Whatever, the magic pill has done wonders for me on this trip...[/QUOTE]I just wanted to express my appreciation for all your reports. Not only are they informative and accurate descriptions of the places you visited, plus the ladies you encountered, but they are also eloquent and honest accounts which are most useful for all those spending time in Bangkok. They are especially relevant for me; being of an advanced age myself, I could relate well to a lot of them. I look forward to further reports to come.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2753396]Yes this is the place and it's FS, the girl I got anyway was FS.[/QUOTE]What was the bill?

[QUOTE=YngMong;2753417]Linda is girl next door, nymph fire cracker.
Yes 4 k (2 H) is pricey compared to a FL or even get a a spicy go go 20 year old but the service and attention she will give you is worth every damn penny.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review.

What does her face and body look like in real life?

She looks a bit chubby on her pictures, is she still like that or heavier?

Decided to go ahead with the plan to try a sideline gig, fiwfans or sideline or one of those. Hit up 2 that werent too far away in Rachada, claimed good specs, and tried not to pin hope on the pics. When you add them on line you are auto sent their info and pics, both the same as the website. Both responded very quickly, and one could see me within an hour so I booked in. Took the mrt to HK station and got a bolt from there to the hotel. To fill in a few spare minutes I had a cup of tea at Emmanuelle by HK station to see how they were holding up. Exterior of building looks woeful. Chatted with mamasan, and surveyed the 11 girls available mid afternoon. The overcomplicated price list I was handed ranged from 2900 to 8700 split across 8 or 9 grades. Top 2 tiers werent represented in person there at the time but one of the 3rd tier "model" girls there looked very attractive from 8 meters away. Her price 6700. The lower grades had made an effort in presentation but time takes its toll, and ID guess the high 30's or maybe even 40's age bracket are the norm there. Mama bemoaned the lack of Chinese tourists who she said were the biggest tippers, and talked about conversations she has had with them about difficulties in entering / exiting China at the moment. Very polite, not pushy, gave me her business card.

Anywho. Got to my ladys hotel and lined her. Received the room number and knocked. As anticapted instagram filters had done their work, but I wasnt expecting the supermodel advertised anyway. She was also a little heavier than advertised I think, but still quite attractive with a nice figure. Service was a bit like a massage. She helped me undress, showered me and then proceded to deepthroat in the shower. From there festivities went as advertised. Covered sex, no direct kissing and no fingering too far inside. Otherwise cuddly and affectionate.

First and foremost, want to again THANK [B]Newton York[/B] for some great FR's, along with other members who answered my queries about Patpong. I do practice what I preach, RTFF, so, using the search function to conveniently find Newton's posts' links all on one page, read through them one by one, making notes of places and services that would interest me. Using Google, found the establishments' webpages and took a look at locations, prices, services, photos. Now I learned a LONG time ago to not place that much stock in photos, but they can be a start point and provide other possibilities. But definitely, I want a lineup when there.

What I found interesting is that a lot of places I didn't know. Not saying I'm a creature of habit. But [S]...[/S].

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[INDENT]Soi 33: Never been to Soi 33. On that side of Sukhumvit, Soi 7, Beer Garden, or Soi 23, MP row, was just about as far as I got. OK, several trips to Doki-Doki to try, but, sorry, I just DON'T get it.

Soi 26: Well, RuenThai2's "Jill-in-the-Box" stopped me from proceeding further, and I did visit Snow White previous years until the [I]'box[/I]. But no further.

Soi 24-1: Only place there is Cherry's Massage. Kiwi, yes, she's NOT slender, and I think the photos add some weight. But the rack is natural, I can personally vouch that she is A+, and she did provide great service.

Soi 22: The alley with all the MP's, Kiss, Passion, Honey Bee, [S]...[/S] Last visit, 3 years ago, walked to the end (it is a short alley), nothing really caught my eye. Turned around to walk back when the mamasan of the last one, Kiss?, called out, "More ladies inside" (2 or 3 sitting outside). Walked in, there was all of 2 more inside, the ones outside came in for a lineup. The mamasan dispatched one of the ladies to "go fetch", and a couple of minutes later, back she came with another 4 or 5 ladies from the "sister" shops. There were some possibilities, but I told the mamasan I didn't like silicone, I liked natural. Her face just crumpled, she lost her hopeful smile, and said that they were ALL silicone. YIKES! It's like a plague. But she did say I should check Passion, they had some, maybe. Followed her advice, and inside, lo-and-behold, there was Khun, attractive with a decent natural rack. I THEN selected my menu item, and off we went, she good enough that I upgraded in the room (personal deal) from BJ to FS (in hindsight, should have paid the menu FS and saved a couple of 100, but it was worth it). My disappointment came this year: I had been complacent so didn't immediately get her Line-ID, figuring it was good enough service, I would return the following week. But you know how that goes[S]...[/S] So now, she's MIA. Keep repeating my mistakes. [/INDENT]
[S].[/S]

Definitely now have a list of some different places to try.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2748363]Can Can: Went back in search of Aer, and from the lineup, just left, mamasan was no help at all. You'd think she'd say something like Aer would be back on so and so day, want to make an appointment, etc. But nothing. I would see Aer again soon enough, but on this day it was no go. It was a little frustrating cause I thought to myself, Jesus H Christ, why is it so damn tough to repeat fucks here? In the end, not really. One must simply have patience. *.

BKK Happy: Back here for Noey, same thing, mamasan said not available and no help whatsoever. Though I myself did forget that she told me she was going back home for 2 weeks. *.

Venus: Wanting to repeat Wiwi I just walked in and man oh man, was it a shit show to get her. Today was a day of weird not being able to repeat with the same girl situations. The day was hot as hell as well, and I was losing my cool. But arrangements were made, Line's were exchanged and voila, Wiwi's going to be around in a coupla hours.

Tilac: Hung out with one of the barmaids, Fah. Strangely, to me she was cuter than some of the actual go go girls. Chubby with huge tits. Right next door was a little bar restaurant deal, I had a late dinner of pad khra pao moo. Holy shit, I forgot to say 'mai ped'. The fact that she told me she's an actual nurse at an actual hospital made her even sexier to me. Lines were exchanged. But God knows if she's available or how much it'd be. [/QUOTE]LIke I said above, for the NEWBIES, bring your smart phone, get a local sim card, and get a Line account. It's a win-win situation:
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For her, any astute WG will want a clientele base that will follow HER from shop to shop, bar to bar. It's money in the bank.
[S].[/S]
For us, makes it so easy to contact her directly. I don't try and bypass the shop, but I can message and ask if she's available on such and such a date / time. If so, she can book the appointment. You can easily find out where and when. Plus, you are getting the info FIRSTHAND, not secondhand via the shop. And you don't have to listen to the boss's pitch of an alternate provider unless you want to. Sometimes I might, other times I already have secondary targets selected. And you bypass the BS of "She's on holiday." When will she be back? "Next month, you try another" when, in actuality, she's flown the [I]coop[/I].

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As to Thermae. I was lucky enough to have experienced Thermae-1, the previous location. Now THAT place, 1:30, was a real Star Wars bar. I've used the Thermae-current 20 years ago when my playground was Nana. If I didn't find anything at Nana, I'd walk back to my hotel on Soi 15, stopping in at Thermae to see if anything caught my eye. On occasion, yes, and using the back entrance, down the steep stairs, out to the parking lot, and directly onto Soi 15, a discreet exit. But when it went pro-Japanese (no slight intended), and I had a curfew, now a moot point. Recently watched an inside video from a month or 2 ago (I agree, who is making those), seems very "clean", if you catch my drift. Myself, I might venture in out of curiosity one time, but [S]...[/S] Then again, you never know. To quote Trink, TIT.

BTW: Does anyone remember the legit massage place in the hotel above the Thermae? On 3rd or 4th floor, you could take the hotel elevator. Nice establishment, legit massages. Or maybe I was naive; when she said finished and walked out, I got up and got dressed, rather than lying there as an indication of wanting [I]extras[/I]. Only ONCE, in many, many years, did a girl offer, and that was mid-evening, not mid-afternoon. Became a sporting goods shop or maybe a gym. They did move to some crummy place on Soi 9 or 11, but nowhere near the original's ambiance.

I remember one time, normally I don't carry a pocket camera (this in the days BEFORE mobiles. Yes, the DARK ages), but I had been out and about getting some street shots. Just a mango sized case. Took it off for the massage, finished the massage, and of course, in the dimly lit room, forgot it. In fact, it wasn't until at least the day after, maybe 2 or 3, that I remembered. I had NO hope of it being there, but you have to try before you complain (about yourself). Went to the desk, explained, and the receptionist said, "yes, it's right here, this it?" I couldn't believe it. I asked to see the massage girl to thank her, but she had gone home (think it might have been an upcoming holiday, or maybe [S]...[/S]). I asked for a sheet of paper, wrote a THANK YOU, put 500-600 baht in, and folded it up, asking the receptionist to give it to the girl when she returned. Don't know if it ever make it that far, but you can only hope.

So I've been mostly messing with freelancers but I remember Annie's from back in the day. I heard it closed a few years ago.

Are there still places like that in Bangkok? Places where you go in, get greeted my a mamasan, then placed in front of a large fishbowl room separated by a one way glass pane, looking into a room filled with numbered ladies? And then you choose 1 or 2 and take back to a room for some B2B massage and FS?

What are the top places like this in BKK? Are Kokoro and Doki Doki like that? Chrome bar?

Reference post about 300 lb barfine a shy demure Rainbow girl had a few days ago.

I thought to myself why can't I have Sex with her. Hahaha. So next chance I got I asked to pay Barfine. She said Cannot.

I was shocked.

I'm not Grotesque or dirty or anything of that nature. Not from sub Continent either. Casual meeting many times in bar went Fine. I'm in the preferred customer demographic.

I thought that ended my contact with her. If a girl doesn't like you she doesn't like you. Move on.

A few days later I go in my regular seat is taken by a Bargirl so I move to a different seat. Lo and behold she is 2 feet away dancing. I smile and think nothing of it.

My seat opens up I go there. Her next set comes up and she chooses to dance right on front of me.

Notice I said it's her Choice. She if she really didn't like me would have danced on the opposite end of the stage. Go figure.

I gave her a couple hundred as a token of appreciation of how much I like her. She seemed to appreciate it more than before.

Can't figure out just what happened.

Probably like her more now than before.

It's these interaction s that make me love Bargirls. Sex is fine but much more fun when you get to know them just a little bit.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2754069]So I've been mostly messing with freelancers but I remember Annie's from back in the day. I heard it closed a few years ago.

Are there still places like that in Bangkok? Places where you go in, get greeted my a mamasan, then placed in front of a large fishbowl room separated by a one way glass pane, looking into a room filled with numbered ladies? And then you choose 1 or 2 and take back to a room for some B2B massage and FS?

What are the top places like this in BKK? Are Kokoro and Doki Doki like that? Chrome bar?[/QUOTE]Yes, the loss of Annies was a sad day indeed. I spent many an afternoon or early evening there. Certainly hope Aey is doing well.

I can only speak for Doki-Doki; you sit down and the girls are called into the lobby from a back room for the lineup in front of you. My GUESS is the only real fishbowls left are in the BIG soapies, in that area of town. It's been so long since I've been to one, forget the area's name. A fishbowl takes up a bit of space, so easier to have the lineup in front of you in most of the oilies around.

There used to be 2 places near Arunamarin Intersection across the river about 1km north of Thonburi Railway Station river stop. You get off at the next upriver stop. I think I found one of them on google maps. If I go over there later this week, I will report back.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2754069]....Are there still places like that in Bangkok? Places where you go in, get greeted my a mamasan, then placed in front of a large fishbowl room separated by a one way glass pane...[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2754134]

I can only speak for Doki-Doki; [/QUOTE]I'm in BKK in a couple of weeks and might give DokiDoki a try. Is it GFE or PSE style service?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2754282]I'm in BKK in a couple of weeks and might give DokiDoki a try. Is it GFE or PSE style service?[/QUOTE]FOR ME, it was neither, not GFE, not PSE, though between the two as extremes, I'd slide the pointer to the GFE side. I tried Doki-Doki twice (full disclosure, 3 years ago). First with Yuri (see FR). Fun, but not worth repeating with. I did go back again a week later and tried Happy. I wasn't. With her, it wasn't fun, just mechanical, following a script.

IMHO, I tried the nuru slip and slide, wasn't my thing. YMMV.

It's old, but checking the site today, it seems a "Yuri" is there, but if it is [I]my[/I] Yuri, can't say. Rereading, I think it's a decent description of the event (of course, I'm prejudiced).

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[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2754105]Reference post about 300 lb barfine a shy demure Rainbow girl had a few days ago.

I thought to myself why can't I have Sex with her. Hahaha. So next chance I got I asked to pay Barfine. She said Cannot.

I was shocked.

I'm not Grotesque or dirty or anything of that nature. Not from sub Continent either. Casual meeting many times in bar went Fine. I'm in the preferred customer demographic.

I thought that ended my contact with her. If a girl doesn't like you she doesn't like you. Move on.

A few days later I go in my regular seat is taken by a Bargirl so I move to a different seat. Lo and behold she is 2 feet away dancing. I smile and think nothing of it.

My seat opens up I go there. Her next set comes up and she chooses to dance right on front of me.

Notice I said it's her Choice. She if she really didn't like me would have danced on the opposite end of the stage. Go figure.

I gave her a couple hundred as a token of appreciation of how much I like her. She seemed to appreciate it more than before.

Can't figure out just what happened.

Probably like her more now than before.

It's these interaction s that make me love Bargirls. Sex is fine but much more fun when you get to know them just a little bit.[/QUOTE]Not clear which bar, Rainbow? Could she possible be a coyote dancer? Myself, I hate Coyote dancers. They're just [I]clutter[/I], obscuring [I]targets[/I] with true potential. For me, why fly half way around the world to just LOOK at women [S]...[/S]I can do that at a gentleman's club at home.

IMHO, "what just happened" is that, with all due respect, you're being played. Why give her money as a token of your appreciation. Of what, doing her job (dancing)? Why not just buy her a lady drink. Benefits the bar, benefits her (don't know about now, but in the past, girls had lady drink quotas), benefits you (bars like customers who buy lady drinks, increases YOUR status). If she's appreciative, she says yes to the barfine. [B][u]NEVER[/U][/B] forget, it's a [B][u]BUSINESS[/U][/B]. Yes, you can get a GFE, that's her having fun "on the job", but if you're paying for it, it's a business.

Besides, was Brad Pitt sitting next to you? She has to dance somewhere, and she felt you had some [I]juice[/I] that she might be able to extract, just not the [I]juice[/I] you're looking to provide. You get to know them by talking in the bar, buying a lady drink or two, them moving the conversation to YOUR room. You want to get to know her better? Ask for her Line_ID; those conversations are FREE, and if she is really interested, she will. Talking to you in the bar? That's just passing time.

IMHO, it actually hurts you to continue to pay attention to her. Because other REAL potentials will be hesitant to approach you as they don't want trouble with breaking someone's rice bowl. Maybe in these mercenary days, not so much, but in the past [S]...[/S].

My advice, call her over, ask to barfine her. If she says yes, fantastic. If she says no, say thank you, and [B]cut her lose[/B]. Just like a wg does when a customer says he's not interested. She puts the invisibility cloak on him and moves on. So should you.

Thanks for all the great BKK posts and the person who wrote about using ThaiFriendly and LINE apps.

Had a great layover in Bangkok and ended up using both apps to find some ladies. Again thanks for the info on these APPS.

My method:

1) made TahiFriendly account (you can use a seven day free trial if want). In profile add my LINE app contact information. Set you location to Bangkokor other Thailand location and set filter to age 18 to19 or something not too high since higher age you go increases likelihood the girl is lying about age.

Any girls liked and without words like looking for serious relationship, I sent messages asking them if they are freelance and what they charge for S / T and L / T. Also, told them they could contact me on LINE at and asked them for their line account. Collected a number of girls this way.

Think S / T rates were about 2000 baht and L / T (overnight) about 4000 baht.

At same time communicated with anyone who looked at my account and sent me hearts. These could and where any age ranges. I. All these communications I also gave my LINE info and asked for theirs.

2) in the LINE app, I migrated girls from THaiFriendly to LINE for communication.

Ended up meet in a more holiday lady and became her friend. She was older and did lie about her age and had photos that were her five years before. All was great but please beware if you do not restrict to younger ages the probability goes up for age lies.

Ultimately ended up in Bangcock and checked into hotel where I gave the hotel my soon to be friend's name. Next met my np new friend at hotel lobby and checked into room. We had soem espresso and after about twenty minutes were having sex. Next went to see sights of Bangkok and had meal on canal etc. It was a super fun time and loved being shown around. She was great. Got back to hotel for more fun and slept and then more wake up fun. All and all it was wonderful.

Thanks for the heads up to these two apps.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2754365]Not clear which bar, Rainbow? Could she possible be a coyote dancer? Myself, I hate Coyote dancers. They're just [I]clutter[/I], obscuring [I]targets[/I] with true potential. For me, why fly half way around the world to just LOOK at women [S]...[/S]I can do that at a gentleman's club at home.

IMHO, "what just happened" is that, with all due respect, you're being played. Why give her money as a token of your appreciation. Of what, doing her job (dancing)? Why not just buy her a lady drink. Benefits the bar, benefits her (don't know about now, but in the past, girls had lady drink quotas), benefits you (bars like customers who buy lady drinks, increases YOUR status). If she's appreciative, she says yes to the barfine. [B][u]NEVER[/U][/B] forget, it's a [B][u]BUSINESS[/U][/B]. Yes, you can get a GFE, that's her having fun "on the job", but if you're paying for it, it's a business.

Besides, was Brad Pitt sitting next to you? She has to dance somewhere, and she felt you had some [I]juice[/I] that she might be able to extract, just not the [I]juice[/I] you're looking to provide. You get to know them by talking in the bar, buying a lady drink or two, them moving the conversation to YOUR room. You want to get to know her better? Ask for her Line_ID; those conversations are FREE, and if she is really interested, she will. Talking to you in the bar? That's just passing time.

IMHO, it actually hurts you to continue to pay attention to her. Because other REAL potentials will be hesitant to approach you as they don't want trouble with breaking someone's rice bowl. Maybe in these mercenary days, not so much, but in the past [S]...[/S].

My advice, call her over, ask to barfine her. If she says yes, fantastic. If she says no, say thank you, and [B]cut her lose[/B]. Just like a wg does when a customer says he's not interested. She puts the invisibility cloak on him and moves on. So should you.[/QUOTE]I chalk it up to Who Knows what's going on in between her Ears.

I've had one instance with a massage parlor girl who just turned on me. My crime was I sessioned with her Mortal Enemy. I had no idea.

Her Breasts were so good I had to take her again. She told me why she was mad at me. It was so Cute.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2754365]Not clear which bar, Rainbow? Could she possible be a coyote dancer? Myself, I hate Coyote dancers. They're just [I]clutter[/I], obscuring [I]targets[/I] with true potential. For me, why fly half way around the world to just LOOK at women [S]...[/S]I can do that at a gentleman's club at home.

IMHO, "what just happened" is that, with all due respect, you're being played. Why give her money as a token of your appreciation. Of what, doing her job (dancing)? Why not just buy her a lady drink. Benefits the bar, benefits her (don't know about now, but in the past, girls had lady drink quotas), benefits you (bars like customers who buy lady drinks, increases YOUR status). If she's appreciative, she says yes to the barfine. [B][u]NEVER[/U][/B] forget, it's a [B][u]BUSINESS[/U][/B]. Yes, you can get a GFE, that's her having fun "on the job", but if you're paying for it, it's a business.

Besides, was Brad Pitt sitting next to you? She has to dance somewhere, and she felt you had some [I]juice[/I] that she might be able to extract, just not the [I]juice[/I] you're looking to provide. You get to know them by talking in the bar, buying a lady drink or two, them moving the conversation to YOUR room. You want to get to know her better? Ask for her Line_ID; those conversations are FREE, and if she is really interested, she will. Talking to you in the bar? That's just passing time.

IMHO, it actually hurts you to continue to pay attention to her. Because other REAL potentials will be hesitant to approach you as they don't want trouble with breaking someone's rice bowl. Maybe in these mercenary days, not so much, but in the past [S]...[/S].

My advice, call her over, ask to barfine her. If she says yes, fantastic. If she says no, say thank you, and [B]cut her lose[/B]. Just like a wg does when a customer says he's not interested. She puts the invisibility cloak on him and moves on. So should you.[/QUOTE]Who knows what's going on.

Once I had a massage girl turn on me real bad. My crime was I sessioned with her mortal enemy. How was I to know.

Anyways I took her again just to play with her Titties, they were that Good, and she told me why the Hate. So cute.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2754105]Reference post about 300 lb barfine a shy demure Rainbow girl had a few days ago.

I thought to myself why can't I have Sex with her. Hahaha. So next chance I got I asked to pay Barfine. She said Cannot.

I was shocked.

I'm not Grotesque or dirty or anything of that nature. Not from sub Continent either. Casual meeting many times in bar went Fine. I'm in the preferred customer demographic.

I thought that ended my contact with her. If a girl doesn't like you she doesn't like you. Move on.

A few days later I go in my regular seat is taken by a Bargirl so I move to a different seat. Lo and behold she is 2 feet away dancing. I smile and think nothing of it.

My seat opens up I go there. Her next set comes up and she chooses to dance right on front of me.

Notice I said it's her Choice. She if she really didn't like me would have danced on the opposite end of the stage. Go figure.

I gave her a couple hundred as a token of appreciation of how much I like her. She seemed to appreciate it more than before.

Can't figure out just what happened.

Probably like her more now than before.

It's these interaction s that make me love Bargirls. Sex is fine but much more fun when you get to know them just a little bit.[/QUOTE]These girls don't take ST / LT customers when they have their period. They are quite shy about it.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2754412]Who knows what's going on.

Once I had a massage girl turn on me real bad. My crime was I sessioned with her mortal enemy. How was I to know.

Anyways I took her again just to play with her Titties, they were that Good, and she told me why the Hate. So cute.[/QUOTE]Is that so surprising? It's a very competitive work environment, with a lot of [I]office[/I] politics. You're talking about people's paychecks. Or sports teams [S]...[/S] when the star quarterback gets demoted to second string, not going to be happy. Besides paycheck, it's also a loss of face. Couldn't keep [U]you[/U] satisfied.

My rule of thumb was that if I had a [I]regular[/I] in any establishment, I'd [I]plow[/I] in another field if I wanted some variety.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2754648]Is that so surprising? It's a very competitive work environment, with a lot of [I]office[/I] politics. You're talking about people's paychecks. Or sports teams [S]...[/S] when the star quarterback gets demoted to second string, not going to be happy. Besides paycheck, it's also a loss of face. Couldn't keep [U]you[/U] satisfied.

My rule of thumb was that if I had a [I]regular[/I] in any establishment, I'd [I]plow[/I] in another field if I wanted some variety.[/QUOTE]This is very true. Bargirl Politics is I think what's at Play. Don't underestimate it if you are a Regular.

Me being played. No. One Barfine is worth $90, right that moment. My token of appreciation s to match that amount would take 10 weeks at $9. 00 a week. 13 weeks if you figure in that I'm leaving in a few days.

Her being on her period. Never even crossed my mind. Hahaha. Say it is so Joe Di Maggio.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2754105]Reference post about 300 lb barfine a shy demure Rainbow girl had a few days ago.

I thought to myself why can't I have Sex with her. Hahaha. So next chance I got I asked to pay Barfine. She said Cannot.

I was shocked.

I'm not Grotesque or dirty or anything of that nature. Not from sub Continent either. Casual meeting many times in bar went Fine. I'm in the preferred customer demographic.

I thought that ended my contact with her. If a girl doesn't like you she doesn't like you. Move on.

A few days later I go in my regular seat is taken by a Bargirl so I move to a different seat. Lo and behold she is 2 feet away dancing. I smile and think nothing of it.

My seat opens up I go there. Her next set comes up and she chooses to dance right on front of me.

Notice I said it's her Choice. She if she really didn't like me would have danced on the opposite end of the stage. Go figure..[/QUOTE]Much better have a nice (uni) girl come to your room.

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[QUOTE=SiamMan;2753568]I just wanted to express my appreciation for all your reports. Not only are they informative and accurate descriptions of the places you visited, plus the ladies you encountered, but they are also eloquent and honest accounts which are most useful for all those spending time in Bangkok. They are especially relevant for me; being of an advanced age myself, I could relate well to a lot of them. I look forward to further reports to come.[/QUOTE]Thanks SiamMan, I'm glad these reports resonated with you and some of the forum members. I think it was a way to remind myself that it all happened after the fact. That I really did experience all that. A few not so good, and most pretty damn good. I'm glad I spent some time taking notes then to write these reports. But compared to the last time I was in Thailand, this was a whole different ball game. Years ago I had a less than stellar trip to Bangkok, and I asked myself, what went wrong? It was definitely me, I just didn't do Bangkok right. I said to myself that if ever the chance came, I would go back and 'do' Bangkok right. But all I ever did was hobby in Europe, thinking that Thailand*would always be there. Then the pandemic hit. And for 2 long painful years the dawning reality of not being able to go to Thailand hit me. Over the summer once Thailand removed all restrictions and slowly got squared away, I just had to do it, and I'm glad I did. For older hobbyists like me, and through all the crap I've experienced existing in this shitty world, life is way too short to not be doing what we want. Life, destiny, fate, god, buddha,*quetzalcoatl, zeus, jesus, whatever people want to call it, it's been really shitty to me, and my young adult life spent in South East Asia, not being there by choice, the resulting ptsd, it's all colored my world view a bit askew. But things have changed so much in*South East Asia, and with the power of the currency I carry with me, it's all so very good when I'm there. I want to go back. I get it now, I see now what everyone else sees, if ever the chance I'd retire in Thailand. *.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2753564]First and foremast, I salute you for some quality and fun FR's. Definitely Report of Distinction material. Inspiring, and useful, even for a old hand member.[/QUOTE]Thanks 11 Bravo, I'm glad it's helped. I'm almost at the end. 2 more reports and then some final thoughts. 19 days of hobbying in a month long trip. You know, sometimes when I think about it, how did I overlook Bangkok as much as I did? I spent a good number of years hobbying across Europe, and it's tough to beat a good blonde, but in the end Bangkok has it all. All the factors that make for a good trip converge in Thailand. It's affordable, safe, the food is great, the people are mostly friendly, with technology now it's never been easier to get around, etc. Depending on where you fuck in Europe, for the price of one chick there, you can fuck 3 in Bangkok. At least in Central Europe and Montreal a guy can fuck chicks for a reasonable rate, but it's still pricey compared to Thailand, and don't get me started on the sexual wasteland that's the American north east. I'm all in on Bangkok. I'm not keen on the whole being alive thing, but since I still am, and whatever time I have left, I hope I can come back to this amazing city. I get it now, like Neo from the Matrix, I see the code. I finally get what you guys have known all along, and why no one wants to leave. Man, if I had enough cash, I'd retire here.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2754355]FOR ME, it was neither, not GFE, not PSE, though between the two as extremes, I'd slide the pointer to the GFE side. I tried Doki-Doki twice (full disclosure, 3 years ago). First with Yuri (see FR). Fun, but not worth repeating with. I did go back again a week later and tried Happy. I wasn't. With her, it wasn't fun, just mechanical, following a script.

IMHO, I tried the nuru slip and slide, wasn't my thing. YMMV.

It's old, but checking the site today, it seems a "Yuri" is there, but if it is [I]my[/I] Yuri, can't say. Rereading, I think it's a decent description of the event (of course, I'm prejudiced).

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2428859&viewfull=1#post2428859[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link. Do you know if you can get A levels at Doki?

Guys,

I'm visiting Thailand for first time and am mostly into MPs, will take Indies if clean, hygiene.

I'm planning to stay for 3 4 days in Thailand.

Kindly suggest on.

1. how many days should I spend in Bangkok and Pattaya where can get good looking, decent place to monger.

2. well known MPs.

Any additional suggestions appreciated.

PM is open.

A tale of two Rainbows.

Business very disappointing Sat. At Rainbow5. Per 9 PM.

I was expecting same same at Rainbow 4.

Rainbow 4 was exploding in Thai Happiness.

Just from my naked eye business seems to be overall down.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2754756]Thanks for the link. Do you know if you can get A levels at Doki?[/QUOTE]Don't know. Suggest you contact DokiDoki directly, e-mail or Line, to ask.

[QUOTE=TheGood;2754770]Guys,

I'm visiting Thailand for first time and am mostly into MPs, will take Indies if clean, hygiene.

I'm planning to stay for 3 4 days in Thailand.

Kindly suggest on.

1. how many days should I spend in Bangkok and Pattaya where can get good looking, decent place to monger.

2. well known MPs.

Any additional suggestions appreciated.

PM is open.[/QUOTE]Here is [B]THE[/B] solution for you.

1. Use the search function to find all posts by [B]Newton York[/B] in Thailand threads.

2. Take notes.

3. Enjoy.

Seems you are full of questions, short on FR's, IMHO. But always glad to help out with such a simple solution: RTFF. Seriously, if you can't be bothered, why should I?

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2753930]

BTW: Does anyone remember the legit massage place in the hotel above the Thermae? On 3rd or 4th floor, you could take the hotel elevator. Nice establishment, legit massages. Or maybe I was naive; when she said finished and walked out, I got up and got dressed, rather than lying there as an indication of wanting [I]extras[/I]. Only ONCE, in many, many years, did a girl offer, and that was mid-evening, not mid-afternoon. Became a sporting goods shop or maybe a gym. They did move to some crummy place on Soi 9 or 11, but nowhere near the original's ambiance.

.[/QUOTE]Yes. I remember that massage place above the Thermae well. A good legit massage, but I never received even an offer of extras there, which surprised me at the time considering it's proximity to the Thermae. As hard as I try, I just can't recall the name of the place, although with my aged memory I think it might have been called The White House Massage or maybe The Marble House Massage or something similar.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2754903]Goatscrot corrected me several years ago, and, once again, I reverted to confused. It was Baron's, not Tulip, that had the rear entrance. After decades, the places merge together.[/QUOTE]11 BRAVO also mentions Baron's in this more recent post. I was a regular there for a long time. A great place. It was a sad day indeed when they closed down.

On my visit to Bangkok last week, I decided to give Absolute Angels Bangkok (that rotating banner at the top of the Bangkok page) a try. Absolute Angels Bangkok is also known as Massage Republic, EscortsBKK and BKKMassage. Their prices are high (5,000) but the girls are gorgeous. Well, the photos are gorgeous. I arranged for one of their new girls that looked outstanding. Either the pictures were heavily photoshopped, or they were just of an historical nature. The girl that showed up was older and not as appealing as the photo. The session wasn't bad. I had planned on two other A-A-be girls for the following nights, but decided that I would scrap that plan entirely.

The next night I decided to check out Soi Cowboy. I had been to Nana last May and wasn't too impressed with the talent. This time I went to Baccarra on Cowboy. There were some girls dressed in black out front. I got a coke and sat on the street for a while watching the world go by – and the ladyboys across the way attempting to corral every pedestrian that walked by.

The Baccarra waitress told me the price was 4,750.3,000 for the girl, and 1,750 for the two lady-drinks and bar-fine. None of the ladies were that great, so I went inside the go-go. It isn't like the go-gos I had been in before. There were 10 girls in skimpy dress on a center stage unenthusiastically gyrating to loud music with thumping bass. Every 10 minutes they would alternate with another group of 10.

Again, none were particularly appealing to me, so I decided to bag it for the night and headed out. As I walked up Sukhumvit I saw a scattering of freelancers as I neared Thermae. Since I knew there were some lady-boys mixed in and because I really didn't care to stand on a sidewalk and negotiate while families and pedestrians walked by, I decided to just go into Thermae – my first visit.

Whew! It was a Saturday night and the selection reminded me of the old days in Changping! There were about 100 girls lining the walls and around the center bar. Nice looking girls! I scanned one side of the room as I headed to the toilet and then the other side on the way back out. I went to the bar and ordered a coke so I wouldn't seem like a piker. Then I made the rounds again. One tall beauty caught my eye and smiled. After making the circuit, I returned to her. She spoke just enough English to negotiate and accept my requirements and off we went.

She was 25 years old and we had an unrushed, outstanding session. She came 3 times, so that made it even better! For half what I would have paid at Baccarra for an older woman, I felt I got a pretty good deal.

The following night I headed to Thermae about 9:00. It was a Sunday night and there were fewer girls, but still more than enough to choose from. A girl from Udon Thani approached me. She checked all the boxes at a price of 2,500, so off we went. The experience wasn't quite as good as the previous night, but still well worth the cost. I think I learned it was better to do the approaching than to be the one who is approached.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2754879]Don't know. Suggest you contact DokiDoki directly, e-mail or Line, to ask.[/QUOTE]The answer is no, so looks like back to Tulip for a bit of backdoor action.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2754995]On my visit to Bangkok last week, I decided to give Absolute Angels Bangkok (that rotating banner at the top of the Bangkok page) a try. Absolute Angels Bangkok is also known as Massage Republic, EscortsBKK and BKKMassage. Their prices are high (5,000) but the girls are gorgeous. Well, the photos are gorgeous. I arranged for one of their new girls that looked outstanding. Either the pictures were heavily photoshopped, or they were just of an historical nature. The girl that showed up was older and not as appealing as the photo. The session wasn't bad. I had planned on two other A-A-be girls for the following nights, but decided that I would scrap that plan entirely.

The next night I decided to check out Soi Cowboy. I had been to Nana last May and wasn't too impressed with the talent. This time I went to Baccarra on Cowboy. There were some girls dressed in black out front. I got a coke and sat on the street for a while watching the world go by and the ladyboys across the way attempting to corral every pedestrian that walked by.

The Baccarra waitress told me the price was 4,750.3,000 for the girl, and 1,750 for the two lady-drinks and bar-fine. None of the ladies were that great, so I went inside the go-go. It isn't like the go-gos I had been in before. There were 10 girls in skimpy dress on a center stage unenthusiastically gyrating to loud music with thumping bass. Every 10 minutes they would alternate with another group of 10.

Again, none were particularly appealing to me, so I decided to bag it for the night and headed out. As I walked up Sukhumvit I saw a scattering of freelancers as I neared Thermae. Since I knew there were some lady-boys mixed in and because I really didn't care to stand on a sidewalk and negotiate while families and pedestrians walked by, I decided to just go into Thermae my first visit.

Whew! It was a Saturday night and the selection reminded me of the old days in Changping! There were about 100 girls lining the walls and around the center bar. Nice looking girls! I scanned one side of the room as I headed to the toilet and then the other side on the way back out. I went to the bar and ordered a coke so I wouldn't seem like a piker. Then I made the rounds again. One tall beauty caught my eye and smiled. After making the circuit, I returned to her. She spoke just enough English to negotiate and accept my requirements and off we went.

She was 25 years old and we had an unrushed, outstanding session. She came 3 times, so that made it even better! For half what I would have paid at Baccarra for an older woman, I felt I got a pretty good deal.

The following night I headed to Thermae about 9:00. It was a Sunday night and there were fewer girls, but still more than enough to choose from. A girl from Udon Thani approached me. She checked all the boxes at a price of 2,500, so off we went. The experience wasn't quite as good as the previous night, but still well worth the cost. I think I learned it was better to do the approaching than to be the one who is approached.[/QUOTE]May we know what your "requirements" and "boxes" were that those girls at Thermae agreed to and accepted upfront for 2,500 baht? And, of course, I assume they made good on those negotiated requirements in the room.

For me, there has never been a problem finding better than average looking Play-For-Pay girls in Thermae or getting quotes in that price range from them. The catch and deal-killer with better than average looking Thermae girls has always and only been based on what they are and are not willing to agree to upfront.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2754883]Here is [B]THE[/B] solution for you.

1. Use the search function to find all posts by [B]Newton York[/B] in Thailand threads.

2. Take notes.

3. Enjoy.

Seems you are full of questions, short on FR's, IMHO. But always glad to help out with such a simple solution: RTFF. Seriously, if you can't be bothered, why should I?[/QUOTE]A thoughtful, well presented reply.

Should be a candidate for Reports of Distinction.

A note to anyone planning on being in Bangkok in November:

"The government has declared Nov 16-18 special public holidays in Bangkok, Nonthaburi and Samut Prakan to ease traffic during the summit and facilitate security protection for the Apec guests. ".

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2420098/all-systems-go-as-summit-nears[/URL]

I believe the summit will be around the Asoke area. I expect there'll be heavy security, road closures, possible protests, etc.

Looks like even Putin will be showing up. [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-12/putin-to-attend-apec-summit-in-thailand-bangkok-post-reports[/URL].

That together with the public holiday will put a damper on mongering activities in the area.

Sounds like I'll be hitting TF a lot for FL.

[QUOTE=Oneminuteboy;2755175]Sounds like I'll be hitting TF a lot for FL.[/QUOTE]If they didn't shut NANa Plaza etc for Royal memorational activities a few weeks back there is a chance nightlife will go on as usual.

I leave this coming Thursday and plan to return nov17th with a Tourist 60 day visa. Highly recommended and while looks daunting to get one, it really isn't.

After complete shutdown of BKK for COVID we should all get through this Ez peasy. Hahaha.

Joking. Three day closure has my Heart aflutter. Not in a good way.

Last night was one of if not the slowest nights of hobbying in Thailand in well over 1000 nights of going to gogo bars in Thailand. I realize today is a holiday but AFAIK everything is still open today.

8:30 pm Thermae. Thermae was amazing Saturday night. Maybe only half the girls as pre-COVID still but there were at least 5 I would have went with (more on this in another post). However, last night was a complete disaster. Absolutely horrific with VERY FEW girls. Maybe 25 if I am being generous. Stuck it out til around 9:15-9:30 and said it's time for Soi Cowboy.

9:30 pm Cowboy. OMG when did Cowboy turn into a ladyboy soi? They look good but not my thing at all. Almost got lured into one of the Arab clubs by a decent girl but decided to go to Baccara. Upstairs had a decent amount of topless girls but none to my liking. Back downstairs and there were 2 groups of maybe 7 girls per group, fewer than upstairs. This is not the Baccara I know. One had a really nice face but thick thighs and legs. Another had a really nice body but average face. Together I would have found my girl for the night. Didn't stay long as I saw the full lineup in 2 groups.

10:00 pm. Patpong. Wow everything is closed on the main street except the 2 King's Castles. I went to both of them. Certainly not like before, No decent girls if you want both face and body. Lots of thin girls if body is your thing. The next soi over still had Bada Bing, Black Pagoda, Pink Panther open but peeking in I could tell there were very few girls. Also the end near Pink Panther seem to be all ladyboy clubs. WTF!

10:30 pm. Thaniya Road. Not many girls but there is still quality here. Never seen so many mamasans run up to me begging to go to one of the KTV bars. The best one was one were all the girls were wearing a white outfit.

11:00 pm. Thermae - raced back to Thermae. Bad decision. 1 of the girls I liked from Saturday night was here but decided against her. She spends way too much time fixing her hair in the club just gives off vain vibes. I'll regret not taking her when I leave Thailand.

11:30 pm Line. Needed to save my night so Lined my Thermae girl from last night. Told her to take me to go eat. She said sure. Went to eat at some area maybe 20 minutes away. All Thai definitely no Farang there.

Times are approximate.

Really hope tonight is better. Likely Nana and Thermae. I wasn't happy with the Pattaya scene but wow it's 10 or maybe 100x better than BKK last night.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2755253]Last night was one of if not the slowest nights of hobbying in Thailand in well over 1000 nights of going to gogo bars in Thailand. I realize today is a holiday but AFAIK everything is still open today.

8:30 pm Thermae. Thermae was amazing Saturday night. Maybe only half the girls as pre-COVID still but there were at least 5 I would have went with (more on this in another post). However, last night was a complete disaster. Absolutely horrific with VERY FEW girls. Maybe 25 if I am being generous. Stuck it out til around 9:15-9:30 and said it's time for Soi Cowboy.

9:30 pm Cowboy. OMG when did Cowboy turn into a ladyboy soi? They look good but not my thing at all. Almost got lured into one of the Arab clubs by a decent girl but decided to go to Baccara. Upstairs had a decent amount of topless girls but none to my liking. Back downstairs and there were 2 groups of maybe 7 girls per group, fewer than upstairs. This is not the Baccara I know. One had a really nice face but thick thighs and legs. Another had a really nice body but average face. Together I would have found my girl for the night. Didn't stay long as I saw the full lineup in 2 groups.

10:00 pm. Patpong. Wow everything is closed on the main street except the 2 King's Castles. I went to both of them. Certainly not like before, No decent girls if you want both face and body. Lots of thin girls if body is your thing. The next soi over still had Bada Bing, Black Pagoda, Pink Panther open but peeking in I could tell there were very few girls. Also the end near Pink Panther seem to be all ladyboy clubs. WTF!.[/QUOTE]That's how Baccara was in June. Just a shell of what it used to be. Seems no change in 4 months.

Last night prime time Rainbow 5 had 45 girls. How do I know so precise.

By the toilet there is a whiteboard. Colums of 10.4 and a half colums equals 45. Not a lot for them.

Patpong is a Disaster Area. I don't get how some come here and say it's ok.

On Saturday I went to eat at Silom McDonald's. Was going to stroll the area but instead viewed a Miss Jira Livestream, she was on Fire.

Mr Banana brought up Bar girl vibes.

If the goal is to make money many Girls could use coaching. Smile here and there goes a long way. Assumption. Girl is physically attractive.

There's a few Rainbow 5 girls that just OOZE out of every pore in their body I'm not a FUN girl. Even though not Bad looking.

I'm certain other guys pick up on it too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2755253]Really hope tonight is better. Likely Nana and Thermae. I wasn't happy with the Pattaya scene but wow it's 10 or maybe 100x better than BKK last night.[/QUOTE]How good are the Quantity & Quality of Freelancers on Sukhumvit and Nana areas?

Landing in BKK soon, massages are just fine for mornings, evenings. Not for late nights though. Wanted to see how good are the girls on streets.

[QUOTE=Thomas9;2755137]A note to anyone planning on being in Bangkok in November:

"The government has declared Nov 16-18 special public holidays in Bangkok, Nonthaburi and Samut Prakan to ease traffic during the summit and facilitate security protection for the Apec guests. ".

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2420098/all-systems-go-as-summit-nears[/URL]

I believe the summit will be around the Asoke area. I expect there'll be heavy security, road closures, possible protests, etc.

Looks like even Putin will be showing up. [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-12/putin-to-attend-apec-summit-in-thailand-bangkok-post-reports[/URL].

That together with the public holiday will put a damper on mongering activities in the area.[/QUOTE]So get those LINE contacts NOW. If places are closed, not only the players, but also the servers, have nowhere to go.

Hi all,

I thought this might be interesting for a read.

Day 1: Time 9 pm. I search the forum for nuru massage and soapy massage. I found out Evita massage. Soon as I arrive a Papasan asks me to sit and around 8 girls were sitting. 7 of them were 2000 baht and one of them was 2800 baht. The more expensive girl was on the phone the entire time so I neglected. I found the girls very far away from the sitting so not very clear from far away. I chose one girl which gave me the best smile. 2 k baht paid for soapy massage. Inside she started with undressing me and then we went inside in the bathtub. She scrubbed me with occasional blowjob which felt good. 30 min later she dried me and went to the bed for the deed. Nice sex for 20 min and I finished in doggy though I was given an option for CIM. I paid 300 baht as tip since I did not take anything to drink which I think is optional.

Day2: Time 10 pm. I wanted to try the Chrome Bar for a nuru massage. I was about to enter and a mamasan asked me to select a girl from the opposite Bar. A selection of girls were provide about 7-8 of which I selected a girl named Mimi. 1500 baht paid she took me 2 floor up for a nuru massage. Boy she was hot and chatty. She kind of proposed the list of things we could do and led the way. Quickly we went to the shower and then we laid in a plastic bed where she started the body rub. Amazing body and excellent BBJ which was one of the highlights. She asked if I wanted rimming I said ok, then she asked if I liked squirting I said yes and she did everything no complaints. Absolute GFE. Then we shifted to the bed, continued with the amazing BBJ and then the deed. She asked if I wanted CIM I said yes and went ahead. For me, it was one of the best sessions with this amazing girl. I wanted to tip her 500 baht but I only had 1000 baht notes and she said next time. For 1500 baht, it was an absolute blast. She gave me her number and I have her picture too. I don't know if I allowed to post. If you say I will.

WIR: Yes.

I will post more when I have time.

Thanks,

Toppers.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2754995]



Whew! It was a Saturday night and the selection reminded me of the old days in Changping! There were about 100 girls lining the walls and around the center bar. Nice looking girls! I scanned one side of the room as I headed to the toilet and then the other side on the way back out. I went to the bar and ordered a coke so I wouldn't seem like a piker. Then I made the rounds again. One tall beauty caught my eye and smiled. After making the circuit, I returned to her. She spoke just enough English to negotiate and accept my requirements and off we went.

She was 25 years old and we had an unrushed, outstanding session. She came 3 times, so that made it even better! For half what I would have paid at Baccarra for an older woman, I felt I got a pretty good deal.

The following night I headed to Thermae about 9:00. It was a Sunday night and there were fewer girls, but still more than enough to choose from. A girl from Udon Thani approached me. She checked all the boxes at a price of 2,500, so off we went. The experience wasn't quite as good as the previous night, but still well worth the cost. I think I learned it was better to do the approaching than to be the one who is approached.[/QUOTE]OMG, the comment about Changping brings back some spectacular memories. I lived there for about 18 months, which was long enough for me to do some serious damage to my liver I am sure. Geez, that was something to behold. Those KTV parties were epic to be sure.

I was in Bangkok a month ago and will return later this week, I got really good service from outcall massage and more from Royal Massage to my hotel. My excursions out were confined to two Seeking gals, one of whom was from Brazil and is returning home tomorrow. The other was unrealistic in her financial requests, but fun and she did help me arrange a lady after we finished dinner at Oskars. We went to the bar, while I was going to make one last effort to reduce her price. She said "no" but ask me if the lady next to her at the bar was attractive. I said yes and the next thing I know she starts up a conversation and tells her I am a friend that is looking for some company for the evening. At least I guess that is what she said and the next thing know we are talking and the Seeking girl was heading out to find a better paying client I guess. It is a strange world.

Changping. That was a minute ago.

Have been surveying this site for a while all girls are too pretty so thought it would be photoshopped or old photos. Sometime it could be too good to be true. I was wondering if we don't like the gal when met in person can we just walk out. Ratchada has over 350+ gals showing so was wondering should I stay somewhere close by. Any feedback would be great.

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2753673]Decided to go ahead with the plan to try a sideline gig, fiwfans or sideline or one of those. Hit up 2 that werent too far away in Rachada, claimed good specs, and tried not to pin hope on the pics. When you add them on line you are auto sent their info and pics, both the same as the website. Both responded very quickly, and one could see me within an hour so I booked in. Took the mrt to HK station and got a bolt from there to the hotel. To fill in a few spare minutes I had a cup of tea at Emmanuelle by HK station to see how they were holding up. Exterior of building looks woeful. Chatted with mamasan, and surveyed the 11 girls available mid afternoon. The overcomplicated price list I was handed ranged from 2900 to 8700 split across 8 or 9 grades. Top 2 tiers werent represented in person there at the time but one of the 3rd tier "model" girls there looked very attractive from 8 meters away. Her price 6700. The lower grades had made an effort in presentation but time takes its toll, and ID guess the high 30's or maybe even 40's age bracket are the norm there. Mama bemoaned the lack of Chinese tourists who she said were the biggest tippers, and talked about conversations she has had with them about difficulties in entering / exiting China at the moment. Very polite, not pushy, gave me her business card.

Anywho. Got to my ladys hotel and lined her. Received the room number and knocked. As anticapted instagram filters had done their work, but I wasnt expecting the supermodel advertised anyway. She was also a little heavier than advertised I think, but still quite attractive with a nice figure. Service was a bit like a massage. She helped me undress, showered me and then proceded to deepthroat in the shower. From there festivities went as advertised. Covered sex, no direct kissing and no fingering too far inside. Otherwise cuddly and affectionate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedRider;2754995]On my visit to Bangkok last week, I decided to give Absolute Angels Bangkok (that rotating banner at the top of the Bangkok page) a try. Absolute Angels Bangkok is also known as Massage Republic, EscortsBKK and BKKMassage. Their prices are high (5,000) but the girls are gorgeous. Well, the photos are gorgeous. I arranged for one of their new girls that looked outstanding. Either the pictures were heavily photoshopped, or they were just of an historical nature. The girl that showed up was older and not as appealing as the photo. The session wasn't bad. I had planned on two other A-A-be girls for the following nights, but decided that I would scrap that plan entirely.[/QUOTE]It would be good if you could give the girl's name, they are all photoshopped but some are more than others.

It could help others to avoid that specific girl.

So I will be in Bangkok for work for 2 days and I'll have a day off on the second day. On my previous visit to Angel spa. The number of girls were pretty good, but none of them were hot or beautiful, just doable, however the service was good.

Since I will just have a day to spend in Bangkok, can some advice a place, where I can opt for a good threesome PSE, where the selection is good and and I don't care if its a soapy massage parlor or just a regular massage parlor. My budget is close to 5000-6000 Baht.

Thanks.

Anyone seen any African freelancers lately? Where are they hanging out these days?

[QUOTE=Toppers;2755334]Hi all,

I thought this might be interesting for a read.
[s]...[/s]
Toppers.[/QUOTE]A great FR, DETAILED and INFORMATIVE. Obviously, some new members can write great FR's. Congrats, well done.

And then:

[QUOTE=Kookey;2755276]How good are the Quantity & Quality of Freelancers on Sukhumvit and Nana areas?

Landing in BKK soon, massages are just fine for mornings, evenings. Not for late nights though. Wanted to see how good are the girls on streets.[/QUOTE]Now I really DON'T think you're simply a Lookie-Lou by your question, despite out of 14 posts, either questions, or if an [I]FR[/I], a [U]PAUCITY[/U] of detail. You mentioned you were going to DXB, then [S]...[/S] nothing. Didn't go, didn't do anything? You mention [I]To cut the story short, had FS at Doki Doki, Kokoro, Analisa etc,.[/I] Yes, that's SHORT but I guess the FR's were lost because you spent so much time writing them you got timed out on the forum. Happens.

As to your specific question here: define Sukhumvit: from Soi 4 to Asoke? To Emporium? Which side of Sukhumvit? You looking for density per block? Per 100 m? I'd say it depends on time of day, time of month, weather. Quality? It might be a cliche, but true: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Face? Body? Face and body? Services offered? At Thermae you can make a circuit without having to buy a drink. Outside, on the street, I'd have my LBW (LB warning) set to high, as in "Danger Will Robinson".

[S]-------------------------------------------------[/S]

To those who are saying, damn 11B, mighty cranky these days. You're right, confined to base for 3 years. But next month, boots on the ground. First stop, BNH (that's BKK Nursing Hospital) for an optirectomy; that's the delicate operation to sever the thin cord between your eyeballs and your rectum to get rid of that shi*ty outlook on life. Follow up care to be performed by SOL, World, Tulip, Soi 23, RuenThai, Soi 22, Soi 26, Passion, Sakura, Cherry Massage, Wood [S]...[/S]. If I don't write any FR's you can call BS.

While looking for something, saw this:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2396-2005-Dubai-Archived-Reports&p=370938&viewfull=1#post370938[/URL]

Applicable to DXB, works for BKK with a couple changes, currency and bar name.

I don't get RTFF replies. Can't imagine reading thru lots of nonsense to get maybe non pertinent info.

Ask away. If someone wants to answer they will or not.

Attempt at Humour with a Rainbow 5 girl. Showed her a screenshot of my Favorite Japan porn star showing a Breast in a humourous way. I asked if you and barfine do same same.

Her reply was thats no me. Hahaha.

Silly question. Do you guys enjoy reading about guys who can't finish.

I feel sorry for the Girls. I mean 30 minutes in a prone Position with no end in sight.

Talk about wear and tear.

Be Nice guys. If you can't finish give it up.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755515]Silly question. Do you guys enjoy reading about guys who can't finish.

I feel sorry for the Girls. I mean 30 minutes in a prone Position with no end in sight.

Talk about wear and tear.

Be Nice guys. If you can't finish give it up.[/QUOTE]Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: SOME girls take pride in their work, and do their best to leave the customer satisfied. Switch position, switch method, whatever. I will look THOSE girls up. And a girl that spends 30 minutes in a prone position (aka "starfish") I avoid those. In actuality, most posts are "a finish a given". So when a girl is doing all she can [S]...[/S] keeper. Those that give up [S]...[/S] pass. Bottom line is, you're paying for her TIME.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755514]I don't get RTFF replies. Can't imagine reading thru lots of nonsense to get maybe non pertinent info.

Ask away. If someone wants to answer they will or not.[/QUOTE]So if someone doesn't RTFF, how will they know if their question is answered? Just curious. What is YOUR criteria for looking for an answer to your question after you've posted it? 10 pages, 5 pages, same page? IMHO, to ask a question that's been answered within the last 10 pages, that's disrespectful of the member who took the time to write an FR that does answer the question. Posters here are NOT being paid [S]...[/S] I once went to a professor to ask a question. He asked to see my textbook. He held it by the spine, opposite edge up. Told me, "This is too clean, you're not reading enough". And he was being paid.

And what contributes to [I]clutter[/I]? How about those questions that have been answered already? Like someone asking for help with using something, and when you ask, "Did you read the instructions?", it's [i]uuuuh, no, why? [/i] With a LITTLE practice, you can scan a page and know what's [I]interesting[/I] and what's not. This is a place to EXCHANGE information, SHOULDN'T be ONE-WAY. I DON'T believe in welfare. BEFORE you ask a question, put in a little work, read the most recent 10 pages, THEN ask. If you've done some homework, much more likely to be helped. And those that just ASK questions, no FR's[s]...[/s]yea, maybe not. I consider THEIR contributions as providing targets for some snark. And we're friendly here, always ready to answer questions; it just might not be the answer you're looking for.

[QUOTE=PunyGod;2755451]So I will be in Bangkok for work for 2 days and I'll have a day off on the second day. On my previous visit to Angel spa. The number of girls were pretty good, but none of them were hot or beautiful, just doable, however the service was good.

Since I will just have a day to spend in Bangkok, can some advice a place, where I can opt for a good threesome PSE, where the selection is good and and I don't care if its a soapy massage parlor or just a regular massage parlor. My budget is close to 5000-6000 Baht.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Ah, the good ole search function. Search Thailand thread for posts by [B]Thomas9[/B]. Or that never mentioned, out of the way place known as "Tulip". When you find an FR that provides info that you're looking for, check the next page for posts commenting on / adding to said post.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2755492]Anyone seen any African freelancers lately? Where are they hanging out these days?[/QUOTE]Africa?

How was Nairobi? Dubai? Another all questions, no [I]beef[/I].

[QUOTE=Metso;2755408]Have been surveying this site for a while all girls are too pretty so thought it would be photoshopped or old photos. Sometime it could be too good to be true. I was wondering if we don't like the gal when met in person can we just walk out. Ratchada has over 350+ gals showing so was wondering should I stay somewhere close by. Any feedback would be great.[/QUOTE]Yes, they are photoshopped, but generally not bait and switch.

If the girl is dramatically different, or doesn't provide the quoted service, ask at arrival, you can turn and walk.

One time I had even given the money and said give back, which she wouldn't.

So I messaged the agent and asked for it back explaining why.

He contacted the girl, she gave me the money, I tipped her, always try to leave as the good guy.

Outside the room I messaged him and he offered me other girls he had in rooms in the same hotel.

So I got what I wanted whilst still in the hotel.

If you walk, message the guy, and hopefully take something else, that way you will avoid tagged and banned.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2755530]Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: SOME girls take pride in their work, and do their best to leave the customer satisfied. Switch position, switch method, whatever. I will look THOSE girls up. And a girl that spends 30 minutes in a prone position (aka "starfish") I avoid those. In actuality, most posts are "a finish a given". So when a girl is doing all she can [S]...[/S] keeper. Those that give up [S]...[/S] pass. Bottom line is, you're paying for her TIME.

So if someone doesn't RTFF, how will they know if their question is answered? Just curious. What is YOUR criteria for looking for an answer to your question after you've posted it? 10 pages, 5 pages, same page? IMHO, to ask a question that's been answered within the last 10 pages, that's disrespectful of the member who took the time to write an FR that does answer the question. Posters here are NOT being paid [S]...[/S] I once went to a professor to ask a question. He asked to see my textbook. He held it by the spine, opposite edge up. Told me, "This is too clean, you're not reading enough". And he was being paid.

And what contributes to [I]clutter[/I]? How about those questions that have been answered already? Like someone asking for help with using something, and when you ask, "Did you read the instructions?", it's [i]uuuuh, no, why? [/i] With a LITTLE practice, you can scan a page and know what's [I]interesting[/I] and what's not. This is a place to EXCHANGE information, SHOULDN'T be ONE-WAY. I DON'T believe in welfare. BEFORE you ask a question, put in a little work, read the most recent 10 pages, THEN ask. If you've done some homework, much more likely to be helped. And those that just ASK questions, no FR's[s]...[/s]yea, maybe not. I consider THEIR contributions as providing targets for some snark. And we're friendly here, always ready to answer questions; it just might not be the answer you're looking for.

Ah, the good ole search function. Search Thailand thread for posts by [B]Thomas9[/B]. Or that never mentioned, out of the way place known as "Tulip". When you find an FR that provides info that you're looking for, check the next page for posts commenting on / adding to said post.

Africa?

How was Nairobi? Dubai? Another all questions, no [I]beef[/I].[/QUOTE]I'll handle the Africans questions. Yes I saw an African Freelancer the other day. Looks more Service oriented type.

Pillsbury dough shaped body type.

Name might be Precious. Hahaha.

Hey guys, first time posting but not first time to bankok. Seems like price are up and quality is down (way down from I'm reading). I will be heading there in January so what advice can you give. Any input will be greatly appreciated.

Just got a day in Bangkok, and Tulip is ok, the lineup these days is going worse from what I heard. I don't mind something that offers close to Tulip but with a better lineup.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2755416]It would be good if you could give the girl's name, they are all photoshopped but some are more than others.

It could help others to avoid that specific girl.[/QUOTE]It was "Sugar".

[QUOTE=PunyGod;2755622]Just got a day in Bangkok, and Tulip is ok, the lineup these days is going worse from what I heard. I don't mind something that offers close to Tulip but with a better lineup.[/QUOTE]It's not the nicest place, but if you want PSE, MSOG, etc. , it's a great spot. It's located near the Phrom Phong BTS stop at the end of soi 24 on the right side. DATY, MSOG, DFK for 2500 baht. I could have gone bare with my provider, but I'm not that brave. Nonetheless, a good time was had.

Also, there's a woman named Pinay Cristina who had incall near the Phrom Phong BTS stop and she was PSE for 4 k baht. MSOG. She was incredible and had natural DD tits.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2755691]It's not the nicest place, but if you want PSE, MSOG, etc. , it's a great spot. It's located near the Phrom Phong BTS stop at the end of soi 24 on the right side. DATY, MSOG, DFK for 2500 baht. I could have gone bare with my provider, but I'm not that brave. Nonetheless, a good time was had.

Also, there's a woman named Pinay Cristina who had incall near the Phrom Phong BTS stop and she was PSE for 4 k baht. MSOG. She was incredible and had natural DD tits.[/QUOTE]The end of Soi 24 is Rama Rd. That's a long way. Think you must mean Soi 24-1, the short soi with a number of MP's. End shop on the right there is Angel Massage. Soi 24-1 is actually closer to Soi 26, and has another entry on Soi 26, given Soi 24-1 is L shaped. If you happen to walk down Soi 26, you just might get a "Jill-in-the-Box" surprise.

[QUOTE=PunyGod;2755622]Just got a day in Bangkok, and Tulip is ok, the lineup these days is going worse from what I heard. I don't mind something that offers close to Tulip but with a better lineup.[/QUOTE]Again, you might want to avail yourself of the excellent search function here and search Thailand thread for posts by [b]Thomas9[/b]. He describes a number of places that would seem to fit. [b]MY[/b] reading of his FR's certainly added several places to my to-do list. YMMV.

[QUOTE=AsianWinkie;2755577]I will be heading there in January so what advice can you give.[/QUOTE]I recommend you take the time to read this forum.

Well, this just probably clutter: 1) The members who should use won't be bothered to read, and 2) those that do read will know how to search. Guess I'm just feeling the ole "Better to light a candle than curse the dark"[S]...[/S] [B]AND[/B] there is also an alternate method that you can use to search 1000 posts all on one page (what? [S]!?!?!?...[/S]) in your own browser, download, and read at your leisure, using your own browser's text search tools. Why would you want to look at a 1000 posts? Well, easy to eyeball to pick out what MIGHT be useful and what's not. YMMV.

How to search, 2 methods:
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Yes, it's an OLD post, but, you know the old cliche, "tried but true". Tricks of the trade.

So, no, I don't feel guilty about posting RTFF or UTFSE responses. Just like God helps those who help themselves, well, I follow his (or her, remains to be seen, but not for a long time, I hope) lead.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2755793]I recommend you take the time to read this forum.[/QUOTE]GREAT advice, totally agree. And when you find a useful FR, the see what else that member has posted. Clicking on a member's name in any post will bring up a pop-up window where one of the selections is: View Forum Posts
which is a search that will return all of that user's posts (in all forums). Or use the advanced search to restrict to forums (see link).

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2755842]Well, this just probably clutter: 1) The members who should use won't be bothered to read, and 2) those that do read will know how to search. Guess I'm just feeling the ole "Better to light a candle than curse the dark"[S]...[/S] [B]AND[/B] there is also an alternate method that you can use to search 1000 posts all on one page (what? [S]!?!?!?...[/S]) in your own browser, download, and read at your leisure, using your own browser's text search tools. Why would you want to look at a 1000 posts? Well, easy to eyeball to pick out what MIGHT be useful and what's not. YMMV.

How to search, 2 methods:
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Yes, it's an OLD post, but, you know the old cliche, "tried but true". Tricks of the trade.

So, no, I don't feel guilty about posting RTFF or UTFSE responses. Just like God helps those who help themselves, well, I follow his (or her, remains to be seen, but not for a long time, I hope) lead.

GREAT advice, totally agree. And when you find a useful FR, the see what else that member has posted. Clicking on a member's name in any post will bring up a pop-up window where one of the selections is: View Forum Posts
which is a search that will return all of that user's posts (in all forums). Or use the advanced search to restrict to forums (see link).[/QUOTE]This should be posted sitewide as a pin'd thread as a pre-posting announcement. So anyone ([b]mainly new first time posters[/b]) have to read and check a box (acknowledge that they read the announcement) prior to first post. [U]Maybe[/U] just [U]Maybe[/U] they will pause and read prior posting / threads (or search results) that in most cases will reveal the answer to thier question prior to making thier post.

Went to NEP Monday night. Slow because it's a public holiday? We were early but there were still enough girls around to decide which gogo bar you wanted to go to. Happy to see there are fewer ladyboy bars than before COVID. Ladyboys at Nana are much more obvious than the ones at Cowboy. Decided to hit Rainbow 4 and Rainbow 5. A shadow of their former selves. Still all Japanese and Korean clientele though. Maybe 3 girls in total that were doable if I lived in BKK and didn't have to pay the BF. I took a civilian girl from a Western country and she couldn't believe how many girls there were. Wait til I show her Pattaya this week!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2755881]Went to NEP Monday night. Slow because it's a public holiday? We were early but there were still enough girls around to decide which gogo bar you wanted to go to. Happy to see there are fewer ladyboy bars than before COVID. Ladyboys at Nana are much more obvious than the ones at Cowboy. Decided to hit Rainbow 4 and Rainbow 5. A shadow of their former selves. Still all Japanese and Korean clientele though. Maybe 3 girls in total that were doable if I lived in BKK and didn't have to pay the BF. I took a civilian girl from a Western country and she couldn't believe how many girls there were. Wait till I show her Pattaya this week![/QUOTE]Indian Invasion of Nana seems to be over too.

P.S. About Indians.

I sure miss those guys making it Rain with 20 baht notes.

I try to tip 20 baht girls tell to to go where the SUN don't shine.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2755691]It's not the nicest place, but if you want PSE, MSOG, etc. , it's a great spot. It's located near the Phrom Phong BTS stop at the end of soi 24 on the right side. DATY, MSOG, DFK for 2500 baht. I could have gone bare with my provider, but I'm not that brave. Nonetheless, a good time was had.

Also, there's a woman named Pinay Cristina who had incall near the Phrom Phong BTS stop and she was PSE for 4 k baht. MSOG. She was incredible and had natural DD tits.[/QUOTE]Hi mate,

Would you have any contact details of that Pinay girl?

I am curious if anyone had any recent experience in Spasso. In the past it was a repository for well dressed and mostly attractive to very attractive with equally high level egos and asking prices. I have not seen or heard any recent reports on the scene there, if it even exists. I was in Oskar a few weeks ago and saw what was most likely a couple of FL's, but was not able to investigate. Those can be high risk / high reward attempts. Good thing about BK is that even if you don't get a reasonable score, it is never too hard to find something acceptable. Any comments on locations on the weekends for most likely gatherings of FL type of offerings are always welcomed. I am coming in on Sunday.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2755961]I am curious if anyone had any recent experience in Spasso. In the past it was a repository for well dressed and mostly attractive to very attractive with equally high level egos and asking prices. I have not seen or heard any recent reports on the scene there, if it even exists. I was in Oskar a few weeks ago and saw what was most likely a couple of FL's, but was not able to investigate. Those can be high risk / high reward attempts. Good thing about BK is that even if you don't get a reasonable score, it is never too hard to find something acceptable. Any comments on locations on the weekends for most likely gatherings of FL type of offerings are always welcomed. I am coming in on Sunday.[/QUOTE]I used to go to Spasso all the time; the live music, with the higher-class ladies, with the proximity to Mixx was great. It seems to now have rebranded to a French bistro. I haven't checked it out but I doubt the live music and overall scene prevailed.

[QUOTE=PunyGod;2755622]Just got a day in Bangkok, and Tulip is ok, the lineup these days is going worse from what I heard. I don't mind something that offers close to Tulip but with a better lineup.[/QUOTE]If you're looking for performance at the Tulip level, nothing really compares unless you get lucky on a specific girl. Try Cherry on 24-1. That said, the lineup at Tulip has gotten much better, and if you're in that area, you might as well start at Tulip instead.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2755691]It's not the nicest place, but if you want PSE, MSOG, etc. , it's a great spot. It's located near the Phrom Phong BTS stop at the end of soi 24 on the right side. DATY, MSOG, DFK for 2500 baht. I could have gone bare with my provider, but I'm not that brave. Nonetheless, a good time was had.[/QUOTE]Does that place have a name?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2756095]Does that place have a name?[/QUOTE]Seemed to me it was Angel.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2755781&viewfull=1#post2755781[/URL]

I'm not pro or con against Tulip.

Their lineup is greatly improving while everyone else and their mother are having difficulty getting any kind of Talent, ugly to gorgeous.

I'm senseing Shilling going on. Hahaha.

Porn Star PSE performance is a speciality Genre often with not the Best Looking. Hahaha.

I am a first time traveller to Thailand and this FR is from a couple of days back. My first day in Thailand went off to a bad start because the moment I stepped out of my hotel I bumped head first into this Thai man who wasnt too pleased and must have given me his best abuses. Luckily for me and him both I didn't understand a word, I just raised my hand in apology and moved on while I could hear him shouting in the background. I was staying close to Nana plaza and soon I encountered this pretty Thai kat eyeing me. I smiled but was too nervous to say anything. The tall Thai kat came over said Hello, her voice seemed a bit strange. Soon it dwelled upon me that this could be a lady boy. No sure way to ascertain that and I was not going to ask the Thai kat or ladyboy directly. So I awkwardly fumbled with my phone pretending to got a call and walked away. I was wondering how to proceed further & remembered I had a contact of this super hot Thai girl I had befriended on Instagram back in August. She was the reason I first considered coming to Thailand. We had talked in August, she said she was a student in isaan region in some college. She had a big booty and I'm sure judging by her pics that she is being entertained by the rich dudes in Bangkok or tourists coming from overseas. So I had asked her to meet me nd spend some time with me in Bangkok. She had asked for 10 k for 2 days at that time.

I check my Instagram and as luck would follow, I found that she had come over to Bangkok too. I messaged her and got a reply a minutes later. We exchanged some usual BS how are you talk and then I asked her to meet me as I was also in Bangkok. She said ok but wanted 10 k for a single day now. I reminded her what we had talked about in August that 10 k was for 2 days. She wasn't too pleased and said least she could do is 8 k for the night. I have read reports here and my impression in LT is around 3-5 k Thai baht. But this girl is like super hot, Thai kylie Jenner like with a humongous booty. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]I had the cash on me so I said ok. I told her it was my first day in Thailand so I wasn't sure where she would like to meet up, She wasn't happy with the hotel I was saying in. She asked me to book a fancier hotel. I did that and went over to the hotel. I waited for her in the lobby nd when she showed up I wasn't disappointed. Fantastic rack, great booty with a big smile. She's had some plastic work done on her lips for sure which seemed a bit too big but I'm not complaining. The hotel staff was giving us the evil eye because she was looking too hot and too bootylicious while I'm a thin frame avg height guy.

Anyway we went in the hotel room and she put on some Drake music. I hate that Drake music just listening to it makes my jhonson go into hibernation. I requested her to put something else on and she put on some more hip hop BS. I don't even know how anyone can listen to such thrash and then have sex. We started drinking and I didn't make a move for over an hour because of the stupid music that was playing and killing my mood. So I asked her if she would like to listen to some music that I liked. I put on some Metallica, def lepard, , bon Jovi and she did seem interested. She said she had never heard any of these songs before which I found astounding. Can't blame her this new generation is screwed with this smartphone and social media brainwashing them with stupid influencers selling them garbage all the time. So another hour or two went by and we got super drunk listening to the music.

Finally she herself asked me if I wanted to get all comfy in the bed. I said sure and we got under the sheets. I was drunk and kinda tired not really all that horny so was just cuddling around with her till she bluntly asked me if everything was ok. I guess it was her way of saying what's wrong with you man, are you gay or something LOL. So I had to up my game. Had her blow me off and play with my balls to get a hard on and then smashed her in all ways possible. I had her ride me like a Cowgirl but she is too big for my frame and I was scared she might break my jhonson by jumping on it too hard! So I had her get on her knees and smashed her big fat botty from behind, slapped her bottom red pulling her hair trying to give her an experience like never before. I'm not sure how much I succeeded because it seems to me she took the pounding quite comfortably. Maybe she's been with dudes physically much bigger than me smash her brains out.

After I nutted we started chit chatting. I asked her if she was meeting people to supplement her tution fees or rent to which she replied no. Her parents can easily afford to pay for all that. I bluntly asked her then why was she meeting dudes for money then. She replied that she only meets up with dudes she finds attractive who are mostly foreign men, said she wasn't too much into Thai men, she said she wasn't a wg or pro and that she takes money to party and shop just like she would from her BF.

My ego was boosted a bit thinking at least this kat found me attractive. We went in for round two and this time I kept smashing her but kept loosing the erection in the condom. So I asked her if she would blow me off and she obliged. I nutted in her mouth and she swallowed. I didn't ask her to do that she did that on her own accord. We then cuddled and slept till early morning. She started getting calls around 8 am from her friends. So she left and I have her 8 k. I told her I was tired last night maybe we could meet up again before she leaves back to her place. She said of course, made me promise that I would call her gave me a kiss and went.

I too checked out and went back to my original hotel. Going form a premium hotel to my initial budget hotel where I was staying made me feel like a poor man. There was a time in my life almost a decade ago when I had just equivalent of 400 us dollars left in my bank account with no job. I remember those days and feeling of being poor. That's exactly how I felt on coming back to my budget hotel LOL.

I went in took a shower and checked out. I was thinking of booking a better decent hotel but saw this beautiful Asian girl, not Thai could be Korean I think asking for directions to mad monkey hostel. So I decided I'll just follow her and go stay in that place.

I ended up at the hostel but to my dismay they gave me a bunk with 3 dudes, 2 from Pakistan and 1 from India. That made me feel like I didn't even have the 400 $ left anymore in my bank account!

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2756143]I am a first time traveller to Thailand and this FR is from a couple of days back. My first day in Thailand went off to a bad start because the moment I stepped out of my hotel I bumped head first into this Thai man who wasnt too pleased and must have given me his best abuses. Luckily for me and him both I didn't understand a word, I just raised my hand in apology and moved on while I could hear him shouting in the background. I was staying close to Nana plaza and soon I encountered this pretty Thai kat eyeing me. I smiled but was too nervous to say anything. The tall Thai kat came over said Hello, her voice seemed a bit strange. Soon it dwelled upon me that this could be a lady boy. No sure way to ascertain that and I was not going to ask the Thai kat or ladyboy directly. So I awkwardly fumbled with my phone pretending to got a call and walked away. I was wondering how to proceed further & remembered I had a contact of this super hot Thai girl I had befriended on Instagram back in August. She was the reason I first considered coming to Thailand. We had talked in August, she said she was a student in isaan region in some college. She had a big booty and I'm sure judging by her pics that she is being entertained by the rich dudes in Bangkok or tourists coming from overseas. So I had asked her to meet me nd spend some time with me in Bangkok. She had asked for 10 k for 2 days at that time.

I check my Instagram and as luck would follow, I found that she had come over to Bangkok too. I messgaed her and got a reply a minutes later. We exchanged some usual BS how are you talk and then I asked her to meet me as I was also in Bangkok. She said ok but wanted 10 k for a single day now. I reminded her what we had talked about in August that 10 k was for 2 days....[/QUOTE]Clarification please.

8,000 for the pseudo African student who claims she isn't a prostitute, upgrading your Hotel because she said to, getting a hostel.

Budget better bro. Or are you a one week Hundred- at ire.

This post needs to go into Hall of Fame category.

11 Bravo gave me an idea, that's to put all my reports I've already uploaded into a single post. Turns out it's too long since there's a limit of 100 k characters, so I'm going to break it into 2 posts. The preamble, then Days 1 to 10. Then the second post will be days 11 to 19, plus my final thoughts. Again, these are my opinions, and when I compare stuff, it's to my own reference point of life. So please be patient, I mean no one harm, I get we all have different experiences, different preferences, different expectations etc. It's just a way for me to remind me that I did finally make this trip happen for myself. For posterity's sake. Also, this all happened over the summer, so with how fast things move in the world of girls of Bangkok, some info here might be a little bit outdated. *.

Ok, fellas. This is going to be long one, a very long series of reports because I need to do this trip justice. The whole point of the trip was to compensate for the last few years of not having hobbied*much since I was stuck in the sexual wasteland that's the US. I gave myself a month in Bangkok, and I thought that by the end of it I'd be satiated, satisfied and be able to move on with my life. But all it's done. All it's done is make me want more. I want to go back so bad it hurts. Years ago I did a Bangkok trip and it was just ok. The reports I made on that trip should still be here in this forum, but as I recall it wasn't a particularly great trip. In my long mongering career, that trip still holds 2 of my worst hobbying experiences ever, so it left a bad taste in my mouth for Bangkok. But over the years I thought to myself, it can't be Bangkok. It must've been me. As in I didn't 'do' Bangkok right then. So I swore to myself that I'd 'do' Bangkok right this time and by God, did I do it right this time. No trip is perfect obviously and no fuck is ever perfection. Just like there's no such thing as 'happiness'. I aim for progress, not perfection. I thought*4 weeks would be more than enough for me in Bangkok, to relax, get over stuff, compensate for the last 2. 5 years, etc. But instead it's made me want to go back there even more. I didn't just do it right this time, it was borderline one of the best trips I've ever had in my life, only about 5 out of the 35 or so sessions I had were bad, and not nearly as bad as all those years ago, statistically*this was pretty damn good. Hell, there's so much to write on and report about that you guys could compile this when I'm done into a small booklet. It'll be one hell of a guide, but as I've learned over the years not just with Bangkok, but with every major monger city, things change a lot and they change fast. So I needed to get this down fast, because most of the situation on the ground will be different again not even a few years from now but maybe even months. *.

This trip though has changed my mind on Thailand and Bangkok specifically. If you look over my review history you'd see I'm quite a Prague fan, some years ago I think I even swore off Thailand. But now it's all changed for me. I think I finally found it fellas. My Caribbean, my Vegas. What do I mean by that? You know how some people tend to go to the same places year after year after year for vacation? All these decades I travelled the world to find that place for me. One where all the criteria were met. One where everything gelled. And I think I finally found it in Bangkok. Great food, good cost effective hotels, easy to get around (particularly because of Grab), very reasonable rates for women, half decent weather, ATM's everywhere, quite safe, some would say incredibly safe, and another very important factor specific to me which I won't mention here. This might very well be it guys. I've been to so many*places around the world to hobby, and I don't often go twice unless it's Prague or because I'm on business or transit like Singapore / London. But Bangkok may very well be the first ever place where I go multiple times just to hobby. I did a month on this trip, and I didn't let myself indulge in every single day of sex while I was there, but it was damn close. I'm going to break this report down day by day, and because I sampled a little of everything, it's best if I just leave everything here instead of going to the other parts of the Thailand forum. I can't remember the prices too well but suffice it to say it*was cheap. If not cheap, certainly affordable and that's from my own point of view compared directly to prices*in North America and Europe, so if you think about it, an average of 90 minutes costing around $70 bucks for everything, massage, shower, sex, etc. It's 'cheap' to me. Hell, dollar for dollar it's cheaper than Singapore. I get it, there are places in the world and options out there cheaper, but for God's sake fellas. *.

But I get it now, I finally understand why people come to Thailand and never leave. I've well and truly experienced it this time in a way I never did last time. I finally get it now. Anyways, let's start with:

Day 1:

Jesus Christ, NYC area airports really, really suck. Not just compared to the airports in Asia, but even to the ones in Europe. After a misunderstanding with a particular airline which I won't name, but let's just say it's one of ours, I almost missed my flight. Holy shit. I like to arrive to airports early and yet somehow by the time I got to the departure gate I barely had 5 minutes before having to jump onto the plane. Wouldn't you know it, as soon as I got to Incheon to do my transfer, things really started to look up. I felt like I was in and headed towards real civilized society. Arriving in BKK airport, I was able to get through immigration super fast and of course just as always, as a foreigner I was able to get through customs faster than as a citizen at any US port of entry. Please someone explain that to me. Jeez. A nice limo / taxi ride later I'm at my hotel, and wouldn't you know it it barely cost $40. That distance, for that level of comfort and no hassling for tips later? If you've ever taken a NYC cab, you know it's shit. Even more so now than ever before, especially compared to Bangkok. *.

BKK Happy:*I'd done a ton of research, literal months of research because I had a ton of time on my hands waiting for governments all around the world to relax their entry shit, just waiting and trying to decide on where to go, so leading up to this I discover that the first place I wanted to go to was BKK Happy Massage and from a lineup of around 5 or 6 girls I picked Noey. Very friendly, gorgeous, tiny wisp of a girl, maybe mid to late 20's. Now at my age, I have a problem with keeping it up. I'm lucky if I manage to cum at all from the sex and not from a handjob / blowjob. I'm pretty sure I managed to cum in cowgirl from this session because of the sheer amount of time since I hobbied, but leading up to it, she tried her very best. Extremely patient, very sweet, smiley. She's a real sweetheart she is. Please when you see her, treat her extra well and give her a big tip. In the world of hobbying it's tough to find such sweethearts like her. She did mention that she'd be gone for 2 weeks which I completely forgot, this'll play in next time. BBBJ, multiple positions, 90 minutes. Overall, a fantastic time. Yes to repeat.

Aurora:*Next up was Sunny at Aurora, this place used to be Puru-Puru. She's only the 2nd half-indian girl I've ever had in my life, cute as hell with fantastic bolt-ONS, some might even say gorgeous. Kinda friendly, kinda mechanical but did her*job well. Good cowgirl. Don't think I managed to cum in this session. BBBJ, multiple positions. 90 minutes. Overall, a good time. *.

Can Can:*Randomly stumbled into Can Can massage, or is it Can Cam? Whatever, you guys know where it is, and had Aer. Picked her out of the lineup of about 7 or 8 girls. At first I was ready to walk but mamasan was just pushy enough that soon I had my eye on Air and boy am I glad I stuck around. She's got a lot of pimples but is actually*quite a beauty, and her man-mades are stupendous. Most importantly of course, was that she was super friendly. That's most important to me. Very smiley, very kind, sweet and very patient. Knowing how old I am, and having issues keeping it up, she kept going, multiple positions and in the end sat me down in the chair at the foot of the bed, got on her knees and sucked me off till I came in her mouth, and the way my cum dripped out of the side of her mouth, it was like my own porn fantasy come to life. You fellas find Aer at that shop, treat her well please. Give her a big tip, because again, it's tough to find kindness like hers. She licked all over body, even the knees, very nice. (Honestly, I can't remember if it was her or Noey that did the knees thing, but both of them are super awesome). BBBJ, multiple positions, some french kissing too. She's a real sweetheart. 90 min. Overall, a fantastic time. Yes to repeat. *.

666 Class:*Shown a lineup, and from the attitude of the owners to the lack of beautiful girls in the lineup, I declined and promptly left. Don't let them pressure you into selecting, just walk fellas. *.

Day 2:

Doki-Doki*: Been reading so so much about this place, I thought this must be where Jesus is having his second coming or something that I had to check it out, and no line up, just photos, and from what I saw, even from the photos, it didn't look too good to me, but I was after the much reviewed about services so picked Yuki. The whole nuru thing was okay. I finally experienced it and it was. Ok. A lot of slipping and sliding around. But I was really hoping for more rimming than what I got, but at least there was some, good cowgirl and I somehow managed to cum during the sex. 90 minutes. Overall a good time.

Dream Heaven Massage:*Girl named Am, from the lineup of only about 4 or 5 girls. But one did peak my interest, she'll come into play 2 weeks from this point. Anyways, Am is okay, I picked her because of how chesty she was and all natural too, though a little distant at first by the end of it she opened up, though I got to her lower marks for giving up on me since I have trouble keeping it up. It's like, I mean see'Mon. At least try a handy until I say stop don't bother. But still worth the punt. The BBBJ alone was worth the price of admissions. 90 min. Overall a good time. *.

Dollhouse Soi Cowboy:*Years ago I walked Soi Cowboy without partaking in either short or long time. This time around I decided to give it a whirl and found this beauty. Fan. Quite a beauty, I'd say a head turner, but again, most importantly*she was very friendly, a bit heavy on the girl drinks but it's to be expected at any go go bar these days. Almost all of the bars I went to, th drink hustle was cranked to a 100, way more than I remember from all those years ago. There's a vibe even that most of these places now kinda don't want you to barfine the girl cause they're onto the simple mathematical fact that the bar itself can make more money with the girls in the bars hustling for lady drink, not out of the bars with dudes. Sure, this is no benefit to the girl, but why would the bar care? Anyway, took a short walk to the short time 'hotel' just outside of soi cowboy, and had a great 1 hour with Fan. A good amount of DFK, multiple positions, and came through a combo of BBBJ and HJ. She's a real sweetheart too, but at the higher cost for barfining girls and what they already make from the lady drinks, don't think you need to tip any gogo bar girl. She had a less attractive but incredibly sexy friend at the gogo bar, that I think would be great in bed with, but can't remember her name. Just had that really nasty, slutty kinda vibe. Overall a fantastic time. Yes to repeat. *.

Thermae:*Just had to visit this place, I had to see for myself what the fuss was about. It's exactly what I thought it was, what I saw on youtube videos, what I read, and considering how many people post videos of the inside of this place, I may even be in one of those youtube videos already. Ha. A lot of good looking girls, but I had a beer and left. Thought to myself, I'll come back again another day. Plenty of time. *.

Day 3:

Kokoro:*The much talked about Kokoro, I had to see it for myself and though the entrance setup is a little weird in that almost every time*you're there, some other guy will show up at the same time and you got to be buzzed in, either way you get it. From the sparse lineup, I chose Ryoko and she's definitely a good choice. Easily one of the prettiest there, and good performer, some rimming involved, great BBBJ, and all that nuru slipping and sliding, but because of my erection issues, in the end just ended with a nice mix of BBBJ and HJ. But she's definitely patient enough to not give up. Multiple positions were had and only 90 min can do places like this justice. An hour is simply*too short. Even had that whole hot and cold water BBBJ thing. Overall a good time. *.

Aya massage:*Since I was in the area, stopped by this place, and from the lineup I saw, I declined and left. Nice place though, snazzy new joint, real classy place, but I didn't fly halfway around the world to admire interior decoration.

Analisa massage: Can't believe I made it all the way here, it's a little out of the way compared to everybody else. At first they refused me a line up, just photos, tried to pawn this girl on me, not pretty much, then when I saw the line up, I just left. Look, I get it, the reviews about this place is that it's banging, but I got to have a certain level of beauty around me when I want to nut, especially when I don't have access to any wonder pill yet. (Yet, because that comes into play a little later). *.

Don Quixote:*On a whim, stopped by this joint, always be suspicious of places that don't give you a lineup. Just photos, but I was thinking, oh hell, let's give this place a chance and picked Haru. I'd say the first one in a place like this to not only match but even exceed the photo. Sweet and friendly, but definitely gave up too soon. I got to fuck her one position, and her BBBJ was short. Spent the rest of the time 'talking'. But her beauty kinda made up for it. Look, if you can last a good long time, or are on the pill, then pick this chick. She's cute to the extent that she reminded me of Wakaba Onoue, a Japanese pornstar, look her up. Of course you'd want to fuck that, so to me yes overall a good session. Repeat though? Maybe not. *.

All Stars:*Even before the line up, I'd spotted her outside. But I knew her from years before on the websites of EZ massage. Cute as a button, almost stunning even. Her name is Dear, and while service oriented, and quite friendly, she got me in and out pretty quick. I felt a little rushed and the sex was ok, and from what I know she's been in the business for some years, she still looks like she's in her 20's, late 20's at the most. Her pussy was still pretty tight. I honestly can't remember if I even came or not this time around. Based on her looks alone, she'll get plenty of customers, which goes a long way to explain the way she is. A bit chubby, but damn if that face ain't one of the cutest things I've ever seen. She's definitely very much about the hustle though, which will come into play in another week from now. Overall, an ok time. *.

Venus:*Not too far from Don Quixote is Venus massage, and in I walked to see the lineup. And I picked Wiwi, and boy am I glad I did. She's the prettiest in the lineup, and lucky for me, quite friendly too. After multiple positions, a very long and vigorous BBBJ and I had a suspicious*feeling she*woulda let me blow right into her mouth if I had the capacity to do*so. This was the first time I also experienced the weird discrepancy of saying 'blowjob' versus saying something else. Somehow, some of the girls I met and would meet beyond this day, don't actually know what it means. I know it sounds weird, but you got to say 'blowjob' and point to her mouth and your dick, and you can say it in Thai, but don't use the 'rude' way of saying it. I experienced this later with another girl, when it was made clear what I wanted she happily sucked me off. Somehow blowjob is handjob, handjob is blowjob. Go figure. I know not a lot of talking goes between the girls and their customers, there's a script they tend to follow as well, and they tend to get thrown off when I break that script, but I learned along the way. Wiwi is a repeat, and yes overall a fantastic time. *.

Dejavu Soi Cowboy: Apparently one of the gogo bars to avoid there, I was in, got a beer, stayed a few minutes then left. *.

Casanova:*Again, don't do what I did, picked a girl from a photo, just walk fellas, but pick one I did anyway, and while not unattractive, Nat was not a girl I'd pick from a line up. But she did have huge naturals, and somehow, through the less than attractive face, or was it her tits, or even the sense of MILF-ness I got from her, when she was riding me cowgirl, I came. It was weird. So overall an ok time. Can't say fantastic because she wasn't that pretty, and when I say 'MILF', it's only in porn terms. Every girl I fucked on this trip was younger than me, and if I'm being honest, they can only ever be younger than me, if any of them were older than me, then that's really bad not just for the monger but for the poor lady herself. Trust me guys, I'm old. Every girl I fucked on this trip was between 20 and 35. So for me, all that is pretty young. I'm old enough even a 45 year old woman is young to me. *It does bring memories back though, because in my earlier monger career, when I truly was a younger man, yes, in those days I did some fuck some older attractive blonde women. Ah. Prague. Germany too. I want to make mention here too that on this specific occasion, I was shorted on time. It's worth mentioning because most of my sessions so far have been pretty close to or spot on the amount of time I chose. And it's not cause of the nutting either. All the other places so far, if you nut, they're still obligated to hang out with you till time's up. *.

Day 4:

This is the day I finally had the wherewithal*to buy a damn phone here. I tried to get a sim card but because my own cell was so damn old, it wouldn't work, but holy shit, another reason to love Thailand, the freakin phone was so cheap. I got this state of the art, best smart phone*I ever had in my life for just under $120 bucks. I can't hope to get that in NY at all. In NYC that same phone would be $300 at a minimum. And with contract and all that shit. I walked into a nice cool, snazzy modern mall in Bangkok, got the phone and walked into one of their internet cell service providers, and got me a sim card, and I was good to go. All in less than an hour. Even got the guy I bought the phone from to get me set up with Grab, a new gmail account, and of course most important of all for Thailand, an app called 'Line'. Thanks to Grab by the way, getting to the Grand Palace, what Pho and all that shit was super easy. And affordable too. Look, it's never going to be cheaper than public transportation, but again I'm comparing it to NYC here. So a nice comfy Grab car, with friendly*drivers, all the way from my hotel to what Pho for just barely $10 bucks. It's a no brainer. *.

Addict Massage: The star of today was Lily. What a beauty. Easily the prettiest in the line up of that day, she stood out. A gazelle of a beauty. Somehow, weirdly, people seem to put a premium on fairer skin on girls in this part of the world, if it matters to anyone at all, Lily was pretty fair skinned. Don't matter shit to me, pussy is pussy. She had nice natural small titties too, but it was her pretty face that drew her to me, and boy am I glad I picked her. Very patient, sweet and kind, multiple positions, good BBBJ, and she tried her hardest, but my old man dick just wouldn't cum. Such a sweetheart. Very much a repeat. And yes, A damn good time was had. She even did this weird body scrub thing. You got to try it. Like some of the other gems I've had, I got to say, if you get her, treat her well fellas, give her a big tip. She's very much deserving of it. 90 minutes. Got her line number, so kept in touch while I was there. I tried to arrange with her a session outside of the shop, at my hotel so she can get 100% of the fees, as opposed to what she would get at the shop, but in the end it fell through. *.

Thermae: So back to Thermae it was, and after a few hours of just walking around in circles and sitting in the middle area, finally settled on a girl. Like the first day I was there, it was decision fatigue. With so many girls, most of them more than doable, how does one even begin to choose? So I just randomly went. For it. Rita was her name and upon closer inspection she was just okay looking, but quite friendly. And that's all that mattered. Off we went to my hotel, and a good amount of DFK, so that was a plus, though again she gave up pretty quickly because of my old man dick, but I was getting the theme of Thermae fast, these chicks are non-pro's, they're here to make a quick buck with a quick fuck, so if you can't get it up or keep it up, they don't really care. But she was nice enough, and stayed for the duration, talked Thai politics, with all the girls I spoke to the consensus is the same when it comes to their government. I won't say much more than that. Though I did take the opportunity to ask her all about Thermae and how it works. I finally get it now. I came to the conclusion that it's not really for me, but I kinda stupidly decided to give it one more go later in the future. But through my misadventures so far I gleaned a lot about these girls. Rita herself apparently is a mainstay at Thaniya karaoke bars where the Japanese frequent. She works there and at Thermae. And wouldn't you know, this night I also saw Dear from All Stars Massage, I had her a few days ago. Apparently, she works there in the day time, and hangs out here at night. My theory was right about her though, because she's so damn cute, she made zero effort to connect, she just sat there looking at her phone and in no time flat, she was taken. When the girl is that good looking, they don't really have to try, that's why I truly appreciate girls like Wiwi, Lily, Air, Noey, Fan, and in future* reports, Haru, girls that are truly good looking and could coast on their looks alone, but still try very hard anyway. Got to love that work ethic and whether fake or not, the connection they seem to know how to engender with me. *.

Day 5:

Today was the magical day when I found a pharmacy that sold the wonder pill. I won't go into details but you all know what I mean. It changed the color, the aroma, the pattern, the whole essence of the rest of the trip for me. I felt like an idiot for not doing this on day 1. I won't lie to you though, because of all the other old man medications I was on, I thought something like this would kill me, maybe it still might. God knows I was feeling very weird the whole day, kinda like I was going to faint. But I got over it, and my boner was super hard and I hadn't felt like I had a dick this big in a long time. So with the pill on I tried to get an escort on this day. *.

Massage Republic: Sexy Nikki? Something like that, and I messaged her on Line, her reviews are pretty good and the photos of her were damn nice. Of course in the near future I learned the hard way never, never trust those damn photos. The appointment fell through, but her rates are pretty damn good, perhaps one day I will try her. *.

Absolute Bangkok: Mone was a good choice, and of course to no one's surprise, she looked less pretty than her photos, but still quite fuckable. Most important, she was friendly, and in the short time we had together she got me to come twice, once in cowgirl and another time into her mouth. Great CIM from her long and outstanding BBBJ. Yes, she's worth it. But definitely don't trust those photos. I loved how my cum was dripping from her mouth as she left to go to the bathroom to spit. Sexy, my porn fantasy come true again. So much cum in fact, she couldn't really talk. In a way it's good this doesn't happen too often, cause it's so special to me when it does. Very memorable indeed. So far, only Wiwi, Air and her have made it happen. Those of you who know Angie that runs this agency, I had a weird bit of phone tag with her, but it was fine in the end. I've always had issues with deciding on a condom size for myself because of the way my dick is shaped. And as an old man, not being able to keep it up, it almost doesn't matter. But on this trip, it was settled at a weird 57 mm. Not big by any stretch of the imagination, but at least I know I'm not as small as I used to think I was. Got to love Bangkok. Also, in the near future, a girl I'm about to have will finally be small enough that the girth of my dick is about the same size as her wrists. Fucking finally! Just like in those porn videos where the tiny girl puts her wrists next to a dick. It finally happened for me. Halle-fucking-lujah!*.

Picasso: This was a weird one, again don't trust places with a photo line up, always pick places with real life line ups, but again stupidly did I go with the photo, I picked Jasmine and I was made to wait 20 min, because apparently she wasn't actually there yet. Still when she*did show up, I was a little disappointed, she was by no means ugly, but would I pick her in a line up? Maybe not. Her tiny size did help, and though very quiet, still friendly, and got the job done. I fucked her multiple positions, BBBJ was good, and I actually came during the sex in the side missionary position. I don't know what you'd call that, it's like half way between mish and doggy. Like you're about to turn the girl from mist to doggy, but stopped her half way and kept fucking. Maybe it was her tiny pussy, maybe it was the way my dick was in the condom, or her labia, whatever it was, I came in that position and I came hard and it felt great. Overall, a good time was had. Had to play phone tag with the mamasan as well cause the place is so new there's no signage yet. Should be one now. For those who know it's right next to Mai Chan. Of note*was her massage, very very good. Good enough I still remember it. *.

Premium 101: Walked there to check this particular street out, an actual real life line up, and had to be at least 12 girls, but crazily enough, none really that attractive. I suppose this is the reason places are going more on the photo line up, cause if you do see them in real life first, you're more likely to walk unless there's one that truly stands out. Still, it was good to check this place out. Line up declined. *.

Addict Massage: Back to Lily for the 2nd time. This time around with the help of the pill, she could feel my boner from the word go, and because she remembered me from just yesterday, before I got my clothes off, before she got her clothes off, before the shower, before everything, she put the condom on meand we just went right at it. It was like she didn't want me to miss out on my hard on, and it was fantastic, multiple positions, she's quite into it, it's acting I'm sure, but damn if it didn't feel real. But probably cause I already came twice today, I couldn't cum again, but the sex itself was fantastic. It was the stuff of porn, sweaty, passionate, can't wait to fuck kinda action. Yes, a fantastic time indeed. Lily, such a sweetheart. I tipped her alright. In my reports here, if I said 'I had a fantastic time', then I definitely tipped her. If I say 'just an ok, or good time' then no tip was given. Lily was definitely*a fantastic time. It was so passionate, vigorous and intense, and sexy as hell, sweaty as hell too, that by the end of it, when she actually did shower me up in the jacuzzi in the end, she helped to shampoo me too. Passionate because there was a lot of making out as well, second time around with her she let her tongue loose in my mouth. Delicious. She's a keeper this one. Treat her well fellas. *.

Day 6:

After a week of non-stop fucking, I had to take a day off, so did some actual tourism. Not that it matters fellas. It really don't. You got to find your own peace, your own joy. If you go someplace cause you want to do some tourism, fine, but if you're there to fuck, that's fine too. To each his own. That being said, I made full use of 'Grab' today, a way better version of uber if you ask me. You get to pay by cash, no credit card info required, works just like uber, but being in Bangkok, way way cheaper. Saw the usual touristy haunts of the different what is, etc. While no actual sex was had, I did do a round of the gogo bars. *.

Billboard: Nice setup, Jacuzzi to the right of the entrance, not too pushy, but pushy enough I left. Yes, reviews are spot on, the girls here are of a higher calibre looks wise. The famous rotating stage, etc. *.

Erotica: Can't remember the name or number, but she'll come into play about a week from now, and sadly not in a good way, but as mentioned before, still nowhere near as bad as my trip years ago. Still, it's proof positive that when picking up chicks from these gogo bars, it's a real crapshoot. All you can*do is pray to the sex Gods. *.

Lollipop: By this point I had a few beers in me already, and I honestly don't remember much, but couldn't have been great since I left pretty quick. Small place by the stairs at the entrance. *.

Angel Witch: I remember this joint, the night I was there, sadly no attractive girls at all. Loud rock music. Small center stage. Everything was very red. *.

Random I: Again, not much to write home about. Quite lacklustre.

Went over to Soi Cowboy to sample a gogobar. *Baccara: 3 floors, saw only the first 2 floors, the whole glass thing, it did look like some of the girls were afraid to stand in the middle of the thing, don't blame them. Some real stunners here. Mamasan not pushy at all, didn't even notice her. Sat on the first floor for about 15 minutes, made my way up to the second floor for about half an hour. *.

Day 7:

With the magic of the pill coursing through my system, I was beginning to learn how to pace myself, how long the thing lasts in my system, and how many fucks I can actually do properly in any given day. *.

Momo Massage: In a small cool alleyway, there were 2 places next to each other. One Momo and the other can't remember the name, but I'll be visiting it in a week or so. In Momo, though was given a photo lineup, again, like an idiot I went for it, but luckily she kinda fit the Bill. Miso was her name, and before we get to the main event, I notice that among the photos of girls available, wouldn't you know it Jasmine from Picasso was there. I guess she works in both places, and she keeps the name 'Jasmine' which makes sense. If you want to be available to clients, they have to know how to find you. Anyways, Miso was chubby and cute, and though a little distant at first, warmed up by the end. Multiple positions, great and weirdly long BBBJ session, I was able to come in doggy, great ass. She's one of the younger ones at around 20 or so. *.

Can Can: Went back in search of Aer, and from the lineup, just left, mamasan was no help at all. You'd think she'd say something like Aer would be back on so and so day, want to make an appointment, etc. But nothing. I would see Aer again soon enough, but on this day it was no go. It was a little frustrating cause I thought to myself, Jesus H Christ, why is it so damn tough to repeat fucks here? In the end, not really. One must simply have patience. *.

BKK Happy: Back here for Noey, same thing, mamasan said not available and no help whatsoever. Though I myself did forget that she told me she was going back home for 2 weeks. *.

Don Quixote: Why in God's name do I keep picking from photos? Lack of places that have real live lineups? Or is the trend moving towards photos? I pick Leah and pray to the Gods of Sex that she be hot, she be good and she be nice. Hot? Yes. Nice? Yes. Kinda patient too. Multiple positions and more than fantastic BBBJ, but when I had issues cumming, even with the wonder pill, she did something amazing. She looked at me and said let's keep trying, moved me from doggy and got on top of me for cowgirl and did something with her pussy like tighten it or whatever, she did some kinda maneuver, and it worked like magic. In no time flat, she rode me cowgirl to completion. The only time I remember this ever happening before was years ago back in Frankfurt when I was banging this almost Nordic*looking Czech sweetheart with the blondest long hair, ice queen type complexion, sexy as hell, gorgeous babe in FKK mainhattan, my old man dick was going limp, and she goes, let's try something else, moved me into doggy, and her pussy kinda milked me while I was pumping her and I came, and came hard. I'm tellin' ya fellas, some of these chicks, they've mastered Jedi level pussy control. Real tough finds these chicks, but if you can find them' yeah, they're real keepers. So, yes. A definitely good time was had by yours truly. *.

Venus: Wanting to repeat Wiwi I just walked in and man oh man, was it a shit show to get her. Today was a day of weird not being able to repeat with the same girl situations. The day was hot as hell as well, and I was losing my cool. But arrangements were made, Line's were exchanged and voila, Wiwi's going to be around in a coupla hours. This time around I met the actual boss, a friendly guy. Sex with Wiwi multiple positions, and this time I tested my theory that she'd take my cum in her mouth and wouldn't you know it she did. Very much so. Her mouth was filled so thick*with my cum, it was starting to dribble*out and she excused herself to spit and wash. Very aggressive*and long BBBJ that led to that massive cum blast. I fucking loved it. A fantastic time was had. Here I'd like to note that by this point I'd started noticing the tattoos. These girls almost all have tattoos and huge ones too. Some are the usual 5 lines on the left shoulder blade signifying something Buddhist, while others have just the hugest full back tattoos. Don't matter to me. Pussy is pussy. Wiwi didn't have much at all, 2 tiny ones I think. *.

To cap off the day, I stopped by Soi Cowboy,*Baccara: Not bad, friendly people. Not too pushy, so I hung out a little longer than usual, girls were okay looking. At this point, I'm beginning to forget that I've been to a*specific gogo bar before. So this was the second time I was a*customer in Baccara, but somehow I thought I'd never been there before. *.

Suzie Wong's: Actually saw the ping pong show. Wow, that was something. Although the mamasan was more than a little annoying, having Awa keep me company was nice. Never got to barfine her, but she's a looker for sure. Cute, bubbly and friendly. Hard to say for sure with the girls like Awa. It's a crapshoot*for sure. I'd say your odds are 50/50. The nice ones have a propensity to become really bad once the barfine is paid, so I'll eventually learn caution. The trick here is how they make you think you chose them when in reality they picked you as the chump. *.

Tilac: Hung out with one of the barmaids, Fah. Strangely, to me she was cuter than some of the actual go go girls. Chubby with huge tits. Right next door was a little bar restaurant deal, I had a late dinner of pad khra pao moo. Holy shit, I forgot to say 'mai ped'. The fact that she told me she's an actual nurse at an actual hospital made her even sexier to me. Lines were exchanged. But God knows if she's available or how much it'd be. Hung out for hours, all this for less than $60? That's the most fun a man can have without any actual*sex, I mean what can you get in a NYC strip club for $60? Holy Moses fellas. More than a few of the girls there mentioned 'Hangover 2'. *.

Day 8:

Got a fantastic haircut today for $12 bucks. Jesus H Christ. What have I been doing living here in the US northeast all my life? Haircut here's like $40 bucks these days. Jeez. I get it now fellas. I finally see what you see. I finally get what you veterans have known for decades. Loaded up on more of the wonder pill. *.

Daisy Dream: On to this place and while the lineup wasn't great, around 7 girls or so, Nikky stood out. Sadly, she spoke way too much, but did give me rimming, which is quite rare. We spent some time in the jacuzzi, some sex, I nutted doggy. Through talking to her I was able to glean more of the lives of these girls and how many of their stories paralel. Whether you want to choose to believe them or not, it's up to you, but one can see how much their culture plays into the fact that the girls have to end up taking care of everybody back home. Having spent so much time in South East Asia all those decades ago, I can attest to the veracity of much of the cultural aspects. So while it's always advisable to not fall in love*with them, don't end up sending them money all the time. If they give you exceptional*good service, it's always okay to tip. Hell, everytime*I look at the hundreds of baht I tip, it's easy to forget that it's just barely even $10 bucks to me. A good time was had. One thing to note is the fantastic interior decoration of this place. It's almost like you're paying the premium for the place itself, but in the end I ain't here to fuck furniture. So the place can be a real dump or a palace, don't matter to me so long as the chick is bangin'. *Hunny Bunny: Stopped by, line up rejected. No particular attractive one stood out, though one girl really did her best to stare me down to pick her. In the end, maybe I shoulda picked her. This'll come into play soon enough. *.

Aurora Massage: Not the same Aurora from Day 1. This one is on the same Soi as Hunny Bunny. Picked Sai from the lineup. Easy choice to make, she's easily hands down the best looking, and you can*find her on youtube even. The place she works at seems to be on Youtube for some reason. Perfectly made bolt-ONS, quite friendly though fairly distant. But her sheer beauty made up for the business like vibe, I came hard in doggy fucking her small thin frame while grabbing onto her fantastic tits from behind. Real stunner this one. Did not repeat, but a good time indeed was had. *.

Erotica: Back to this gogo bar at Nana to pick up the girl I saw. Could not care to remember her name but the number was #33. Saw and spoke to her a number of days ago and I thought what a nice chick. Let's come back to short time her and I came back this night and boy do I regret it. They say you regret the things you don't do and not the things you actually do, but this time man did I regret picking her up. I know the game, and it's always a crapshoot, we're talking about hundreds of girls across dozens upon dozens of places to pick them up, there won't be reviews of each and every girl, so buyer beware, but all things considered it could've been worse. At least there was fucking, though she treated it like I was performing surgery, I could tell things were going downhill the moment I paid the barfine. It was a switch that had activated in her brain, from sweet and friendly to this very distant, cold dark look on her face. It was eerie. Shoulda known when you see how this gogo bar tries so hard to grab people in, literally, grab you by the arms and won't let go. Not the playful*way soi cowboy one's do it, here the mamasan in particular is very aggressive. Short time hotel was very bad too, I don't expect much from places like this, but it was quite bad. Easily the worst hotel / motel room I have ever been in my life and trust me I've been in many. I stopped and told her to leave, and alone in the dingy short time room, I resigned to the fact that the trip would have some blemishes. But by God I came damn close to a perfect trip. No trip is perfect I get it, but sometimes you got to let your brain do the talking and not the dick all the time. She was hairy down there too, tight enough I guess, but she checked out from moment one. Still a less worse experience than the 2 worst experiences I ever had, both in Bangkok a number of years ago. Reports of those still exist here I think. One of those happens to be a girl from Nana as well. One of the rainbows I pulled her from. As much as I want to write nana off, I can't because thank Christ I remember that back then I did pull one sweetheart from Nana so it's not all bad for me. So again it's a crapshoot, luck of the draw kinda thing. Jut pray to the Sex Gods. It's all we can do. What can you do when they're so nice, and you think you got all the bases covered, they can still turn on you. Hell man, a lot of dudes get divorced when it's supposed to be until death*do us part, so I'm just saying. It can happen to any of us. I did my best. And I'm pretty much a veteran hobbyist at this point. We can still fail. Just part of life. I read on another forum the experience of one where he really had a bad time with a gogo bar girl, and I chalked this up to me having lesson learnt. At least it wasn't*as bad as that guy. And since it was short time, financially not too bad as well, going to write it off. It wasn't even enough that I already barfined the *****, but the mamasan kept hassling me for more drinks as I was on the way out with the girl. Jesus H Christ lady. *.

Tycoon: Can't remember when I went there, but I know I left almost right away, mamasan was extremely pushy and the second a girl sat next to me uninvited, I said goodbye. Girls weren't that good looking either. This place was apparently foreigner owned, like a few of the other gogo bars so you'd think they'd know not to hassle people so much, but there you go. *.

Dollhouse: To remedy the bad taste in my mouth I took a tuk tuk for the very first time not just in Bangkok, but in my life, to essentially run to soi cowboy. Apparently tuk tuks are supposed to be really cheap, and what I paid for the trip from nana to cowboy, it did seem very cheap to me, again I'm comparing to NYC prices here, I mean Jeez, what would an uber cost for that distance in NYC, I can tell ya, it ain't cheap. From the entrance of cowboy, ran over to dollhouse*in the rain and the second I could locate Fan, I barfined her longtime. It took a while to get her out of the bar, but unlike Erotica, there was almost no pressure to buy more drinks before I left with the girl. One of the longest sex sessions I got to have on this trip, I fucked her long and good, multiple positions, before all that we showered together, etc. Very long doggy too, I like to pound them' from the back. Came via a combo of BJ and HJ. Lot's of making out, DFK. Very sweet girl, though initially she had issues with the condom, which was kinda weird. And she couldn't find the shower cap when it was right there. A little ditzy? But still sexy. Still though, compared to what I would pay at a massage sex place, it may not be all that worth it, especially since I don't like them' to sleep in with me. I always kick them out by latest 2 or 3 am, cause I got to sleep alone. Nowadays I can only ever sleep alone. It happens when you've been alone your whole life. Again, not lonely, just alone. Up to this point, it's been what, 20 sex sessions? Managed to review most of them, those that I can remember anyway, and so far only 2 or so that would be considered 'bad', so overall things are ok. Again, statistically not too lousy. Most were ok, but the damn good ones more than made up for everything else with their personality and character. Maybe I should slow down a little, give my dick and wallet a rest. Barely been here 2 weeks up to this point. With Fan, there might've been an issue with the condom being too small, it's never been an issue before but I think since the sheer power of the wonder pill has made me so engorged, beyond today I started looking for my own condoms with a slightly bigger size. Works better. *.

Day 9:

Resupply condom day, did some touristy shit, always had great food every fucking day. God, the food here is just nothing short of sublime. As depressed as I was when*I had to leave, I knew it was for the best, look I'm already an ill old man, with how awesome the food was here I woulda ate myself to a heart attack at some point. *.

Can Can: With the rain I decided to just do a little reconnoitering and as I was walking by Can Can massage I saw Aer! Holy Moses, the amount of shit I had to go through to try to repeat with her the other day and there she was just sitting there, so I walked back, didn't even bother with the lineup, paid the mamasan and in the room, Aer looked at me and said she remembered me! Aer does not disappoint, very active, very friendly and smiley, tries so very hard to please. She even has a cute lisp when she talks. Knowing what I know*about myself and my limp dick problems even with the wonder pill, I opted to have her blow me until I came in her mouth. She's one of the few on this trip that guaranteed a CIM. And a very excellent CIM indeed. The hold her head down while you nut and she keeps sucking you off kind. A fantastic time was had. Some kissing, etc. Thoug she has a lot of pimples, I can look past that because of her beauty, her tits and her kindness. *.

Kokoro: Back to this place and exactly like last time as I'm at the door waiting to be buzzed in, some other dudes show up. It's like Grand Central station here. I mean, see'Mon.! Why the fuck when I show up, other dudes have to show up at the exact same time? What the hell, this almost never happens anywhere else. From the small lineup I picked Bella. Easily the prettiest in the group. The earlier 2 douchebag guys that showed, left anyway cause apparently none of the pussy standing in front of them was good enough. Jeez. Anyway, Bella was fresh and young looking, sweet and friendly, she was good, sex in multiple positions and good BBBJ, but again it was just so damn slippery. This time, definitely no rimming, so a bit sad there, but overall ok. Just to be around beauty like that makes me happy enough. I tell ya fellas, if I had the wonder pill the day I met Ryoko here, it woulda definitely been worth it. No doubt I woulda exploded. Now that chick was good. They all look so good walking up the stairs too with that tight purple / blue uniform. *.

Day 10:

On this day I did some touristy shit, by this time I've used Grab, the tourist boat on the Chao Phraya, the metro, the BTS, tuk tuk, etc. Also a good amount of walking. At my age, got to get some exercise in. *.

X-Ray Kapoo: The one and only 'Kapoo' joint I tried. Just to see what the fuss is all about and in the end it's really just another type of place to pick girls from, that's very reminiscent of all the other massage / soapie*type deals. To be honest I can't*really tell the difference, there were subtle*things like the place itself is nice and snazzy, the staff seemed to be more geared towards expecting you to be local, and the girls are supposed to be hotter. Are they though? I picked Nana from the photos and I'm okay with that since they gave me the option to wait to see her in real life. And the fun thing was they did this weird discount thing. But even more fun was they said I get to pick a uniform for Nana to wear, so in the corner were all these costumes and dresses, and while waiting for Nana to get ready, I picked the Thai college uniform, you know the white shirt and black skirt ensemble. Sexy. Was that*ringworm I saw on her armpit? No matter. She was nice enough, a bit distant at first, but opened up by the end, good sex, can't even remember now if it was BBBJ or not, I came in doggy while she had the skirt off, her shirt was on and unbuttoned, sexy as hell. *.

Addict Massage: Back to Lily for the 3rd time. She's even more GFE with me now, but also because of that there's less attention in a way, more time spent on her phone, cause now she's used to me. I'm figuring from this, unless more is arranged or agreed*upon, 3 times is about the max you're going to get from a girl when it comes to really good service. Showed me more of her family*photos, and her story is just as sad as many of the other girls. Believe what you will from it, tip them what you want, but never fall in love with them and sure as hell don't ever send them money. This time around, she spent a good deal amount of time riding me cowgirl, multiple positions. Very good doggy as always and very long, deep and sloppy BBBJ. A very fantastic time was definitely had. *.

Hunny Bunny: For some weird reason, I stopped by here. Shouda just called it a day but noooo, I just had to push it. A big lineup of at least 10 girls, I picked the cutest one, Yuki, and from moment one in the room I knew something was off. My 'weird girl' radar was going off, alarm bells ringing. And sure enough it was weird. She was so quiet I thought she was mute. Incredibly distant and very much disinterested. I was amused at first, and I thought I could have angry sex with her, but after mish and doggy, I just gave up. Lying there like a dead fish is one thing, but now I can honestly say I know what it's like to fuck a sex doll, cause that must be it. She was like a robot, maybe she was a robot. I made the mistake of complaining later, via Line of all things, and this is where us foreigners need to be super careful. We all know now a sim card there means identification, and if any local has a beef with you, you are the one fucked. The mamasan could have said anything about me and I'd be in a world of hurt for sure. Luckily, nothing happened. Just next time when you guys have a bad fuck, swallow your pride and walk away. Just walk away, don't look back, and don't bother with that place ever again. Same girl that eyed me from the last time I was here, she was there and in hindsight I shoulda picked her. She looked like she was eager to please. But again, it's all a crapshoot. Who knows?*.

Dozo: Walked over to Dozo since it's across the road, and the lineup was pretty sad, so the lineup was rejected by me and I left. Papasan was very friendly but if that's the selection of talent he has, I can't force myself to pick one. *.

Thermae: Ever the masochist, I thought I was done punishing myself for today, and I thought with the lousy time I've had at Hunny Bunny, how could it get worse? And yet, it did. I wanted to see for myself what Thermae was like at midnight and of course it's as anyone can guess, most of the hotties are gone, or are back and gone again, and slightly less people. I hung out and made myself choose between 2 girls I was eyeing. So 50% chance of lousiness right? Wouldn't you know it, the girl I picked was lousy. Min she called herself. And I shoulda been clued in that it'd be bad by the fact that she thought very highly of herself, she said things along the lines of like how she can get more money, etc, etc. But was willing to cut me some slack. So, back to my hotel, no BJ, not even HJ. But it was one of the longest mish sessions I've ever had, the fact that she was hairy down there too means she doesn't give 2 fucks about grooming herself, which is a big clue on how she's attractive enough to just kinda coast by on how idiots like me would take her out, fuck her some, and she splits. No way I was going to let her get comfy on my dime, after a little while I told her to split. I want to have the bed to myself and sleep this not too great day away. Thank Christ at least there was Lily today to make up for things. Min from Thermae, sheesh, she said she was shy. Shy my ass. Told her to get a boob job and shave down there already. Jeez*louise. You fellas ever stop by Thermae, do not go for 'Min'. Still good mish though, and the fact that she doesn't groom herself down there, I'm not even talking about shaving it all clean like a pornstar, but at least keeping it trimmed. I mean, Jesus. That's just another indication she don't give a damn. *.

Note for the rest of you mongers out there. Be polite and keep your voice down. One day, maybe it was during the first few days, I was at a restaurant eating one of the best chicken meals I've ever had in my life and this guy with a french accent was talking to his girl and he was speaking at a volume where most people around him could hear him, and he was asking her about her 'profession'. How did she start?*What kind of guys she saw. How she liked to suck dick, etc. Girl was too polite to tell him to shut it, but anyone could tell she was mortified. Look dudes, bring these girls out, but when with them, they're 'girlfriends' and treat them as such. Simple. This fucking french frog, looked youngish himself, clearly a newbie to the whole thing, was such an asshole. Really makes the rest of us look bad. Look, we partake in the hobby, and it's far from savory or presentable, but see'Mon., a little decorum please. I get that there's this thing called a 'reasonable expectation of privacy', and yes, in a public setting like a restaurant, it doesn't count, but at that point it comes down to manners and empathy. *.

Day 11:

Had the single greatest meal I've ever had in my life. I love this place. Same chicken place I talked about on Day 10. Anyway, for today I thought I'd try something different, or at least experience a different part of town. Stopped by Thaniya and Patpong to see what the fuss is all about. Eh, it's ok. Finally found the world famous Black Pagoda. This is the very same place that was featured on a documentary about prostitution, can't remember the name of the documentary, but it focuses on the lives of prostitutes in Thailand, India and Mexico. And just the fact that the way Black Pagoda is built, a glass bridge between 2 buildings overseeing the whole area, one has to experience it at least once.

Black Pagoda: The girls seemed pretty desperate and I had a beer, bought 2 lady drinks and split. Patpong overall had a sad vibe to it, like it was kinda deserted and the girls themselves were saying that it just ain't like how it used to be. They themselves said most of the action is now in Nana and Cowboy. Met a super nice girl there that I would later see relocate to another gogo, I'm not going to mention names here cause I kinda want to keep her to myself. She'd be a top 5 in Patpong easily, but in Nana, she'd just be another girl. But still, she's number 1 to me. Never got to barfine her because of scheduling conflicts but God knows if I ever got to back, yes, I'm going to deifnitely fuck the shit out of her. Found out some days later that some of the girls I met on this very night left for greener pastures in Nana.

Kings Castle: This place was weird but in a very good way. The 20 minutes I was there, aside from the initial beer, no one, and I mean no one hassled me. I loved it. Girls were ok looking too. But just the whole area, and the sad vibe kinda turned me off and I left. From Nana to Cowboy to Patpong, this was the one and only gogo bar where the mamasan did not hassle me. I give it 5 stars just for that. Hell, maybe just for that I'd go so far as to say it's the single best gogo bar in all of Bangkok. Kinda wished I tried a girl from there to see what she'd be like and what the nearby short time rooms are like.

Patpong was super quiet but Thaniya was buzzing, felt like Thermae, except outside on the street, all the girls milling about with guys. And bunch more girls on chairs at the side. Having spoken to Rita from Thermae a few days ago when I took her out, she explained to me how Thaniya works since she herself works at one of them karaoke joints. Overall, nice area, just not sure how to or if I want to partake since the m. O. Is quite similar anyway. A lot of these girls that straddle the line of pro / no-pro, the fucking itself is just that, just fucking. With the massage girls, there's way more emphasis on service and making you happy.

Day 12 :

By this point I've been in Bangkok for over 2 weeks, took some time off from the hobbying to recover. There's no way having the wonder pill in my system everyday for 2 weeks plus alcohol plus my old man medications can be healthy. Feeling ok, plenty of good food and a metric ton of tourism out of the way, I bravely plowed on with the sex for hobbying day 12.

Relax Room: Thanks to a japanese forum, I found this place that from the outside looks like a legit place, or at least legit in that only a HJ might be had. If you walked by and saw the sign, you'd never guess that it was a fuck joint. But wouldn't you know it, it's a full on sex joint, again don't do what I did and pick from photos, but holy hell, this girl didn't just match her photos but exceeded it by like a lot. She was stunning! Gorgeous beyond words. I was thinking to myself what a beauty. You know the newest predator movie called Prey? Ok, imagine that girl, but even prettier. Sexier. That's what I'm talking about. Holy hell, she was hot. Yuki was friendly enough, and the massage was good, but it was only CBJ, and this was one of the few times I just didn't cum, but man oh man, was the sex hot. She let me fuck her in so mamy positions, and took it all like a champ, the moans, the sounds she was making, it was sexy as hell, and when I was doing her doggy, she started to touch herself. She was the first one I've banged so far that seemed to actually might be enjoying my dick. Its a nice feeling honestly to be thinking that maybe the girl you're fucking might be having a good time too. Weirdly, though the befoire and after of all that she was kinda of distant and when she turned the light down for the sex, it was so dark, I could barely see her pretty face. But she's easily in the top 5 prettiest fucks I've had on this trip. Also, for what I paid, 90 min, this place was one of the cheapest, easily the best value for money. Hot babe, nice clean environment, great massage. Great sex. A good time was definitely had. I'm appreciating the fact that it's not always about nutting. Thanks to the wonder pill and the fact I can keep it up now, the long fucking sessions, the sweaty hot sex in multiple positions, that's the thing right there. She's proof positive that the prettiest isn't always the best, but that's a lesson we mongers all learn from early on. But damn, still the sex was good even if she wasn't that active in it, she gave off a vibe of wanting to be there when I fucked her. Nice.

Paradise Massage: This is the Paradise that's famous for their prostate thing, not the place next to Don Quixote. Had Kae, and she did the prostate thing. Yeah, it was ok. I wanted to know what the fuss was all about. I figred if rimming feels so damn good, then a finger up my ass must be heaven, but maybe I'm not puckered up enough, cause it was kinda uncomfortable. Nice in the beginning, but borderline painful by the end. Did she get to my prostate? I couldn't really tell. She was the oldest I had on this trip, at around mid 30's. Which is still decades younger than me. Ha! Great man mades, and when I fucked her, she really couldn't take it. Says it was a cyst. Overall a good time. Also, easily the grimiest and lousiest place I've been, dingy and all that, but again I ain't here to fuck decor or furniture.

Asoke First Class: Where that Japanese forum steered me right when it came to Relax Room, it kinda steered me wrong to this place. Semi legit joint, they make sure you know when the word go that there's no sex, but HJ and BBBJ can be had for a tip. Weird thing is if you're a first timer, the mamasan manager by the name of Meiji is the one that 'interviews' you. So she's friendly enough, good conversation and all, but not very attractive. Still she blew me till I came in her mouth. But for the price, I don't think it was worth it. Now that I've been 'interviewed' and passed, she says I can pick whoever I want next time. And of course on the way out I see this younger prettier thing, and I'm thinking oh well. An ok time, but won't repeat.

Doki Doki: Wanting my dick to be in pussy, I schlepped back to Doki Doki, and would you believe it at even just 9 pm they're closing shop already. What? In Bangkok? Seriously? Anyways, only Nanny is available so I go for it. Now, the receptionist was having a coughing fit, and I'm thinking, well that don't sound too good. Covid? And when Nanny showed up, and we were both in the room, she coughed a little bit too. Oh wait a minute. But fuck it. I'm here to fuck. To hell with covid. She does the slipping sliding thing, again very little rimming when I was hoping for so much more, the sex was good, but it's just so slippery. Friendly enough, not the most attractive, I'd say fuckable. A good time overall. There was this moment when I saw like a read smear on her towel, and I was like 'huh?' She saw me looking at it and she said it's just lipstick. Ha! Scared myself for no reason. Here's the deal when it comes to hygiene, and maybe this is where Asian girls win over their european counterparts. I'm sure some of you guys out there, if you've done enough girls in the doggy position, you've experienced the 'shit' smell. I've only ever encountered once, and it was in Sweet Paradise in Prague so very many years ago. I was banging this chick doggy, and the weirdest poop smell showed up, and my first thought was it had to be the toilet in the bathroom since it was just right there, but I soon realized it was the girl herself, cause as soon I flipped her over for mish, the smell went away. Years later, I actually googled this, and whadya know fellas, it actually is a thing! Some girls, whether they know it or not, sometimes have the poop smell show up when you do them doggy, cause their asshole is right there. And it ain't farting either. Sometimes it ain't even about hygiene, it's how the girl herself is built down there. The same google links and posts I read seem to indicate that for some girls, no matter how much they clean themselves, that poopish scent is there when you doggy them. But in that case in Prague all those years ago, I think the chick didn't wash herself enough. But Asian girls, for the most part, they're always so very clean. Kinda wish they would shave themselves clean down there though, but that's my personal preference. And with all the Asian chicks I've doggied, not once was there ever a case of poop smell by way of doggy.

Crazy House: Stopped by this world famous gogo bar in Cowboy, and it was so damn packed, I walked right out. Like packed to the gills. What's going on in there, why is it so popular?

Day 13:

Escort that shall not be named: This day started out pretty bad I'm afraid. Some weird mix up with housekeeping, and all kinds of issues had me scrambling. And it was bad enough I think it best if I don't mention the name of the escort agency or the girl I got. She had the largest discrepancy between her photos and real life I have ever experienced in my hobbying career. To say her photos were 'photoshopped' are an understatement. Indeed it was her, but Jesus Christ. She was kinda gross too. Her stomach kept grumbling for some reason and when she laughed it was kinda maniacal. I was kinda grossed out. It took everything I had just to fuck her, at least her tits were nice and big, but that was it. When it hit me that the reason she kept adjusting her 'hair', was cause it was a wig, I think that's when I finally gave up and kindly asked her to leave. We did have a pretty decent conversation though, about her real job, etc. But for what I paid, so not worth it. I know it's pointless for me to write all this, when you don't know who to avoid cause I'm not naming the agency or the girl but we all know how escort agencies in Bangkok work, and they know my real name. If I bring this place up, and the girl, and if the owner reads this, or hears about it, odds are the owner / mamasan could retaliate. Hell, the escort, if you could even call her that, not too smartly called out my name, my real name, in the hotel lobby. Look, I get it. We're nobody's. In the end, no one gives 2 shits. But anonymity is part of the game. There's a sense of security at least. It's not just because of Min that Iv'e given up on Thermae, Rita will always be reason enough to try that place again, but just youtube 'Thermae Bangkok', and see for yourself how many of you guys have been caught on camera, living on youtube forever, for the world to see, because some dudes are just asshole enough to keep shooting secret videos of the places we go to be ourselves, to let loose for a change, and to not be judged. I don't know who keeps doing this, but for the love of God, stop. Just stop. Stop shooting these videos. It doesn't help anyone. There's a reason why we partake in a hobby so taboo. Anyway, the 'escort' wasn't all that attractive either. This is the only time I was glad she had her mask on in the lobby, cause if anyone did see, and that I had her delivered to my room to fuck, I'm sure most dudes would be like, what? Really? Many a times I've seen our fellow hobbyists with some of the most unattractive girls ever, especially here in Thailand, and I wonder what's going on, I feel sorry for them, maybe they need corrective glasses or something but today that was actually me. Never again dudes. Never again with escorts, and sure as shit never this agency ever either. Trust me when I say this, don't fuck with the locals, as much as I want to say the girls 'name' and the agency, best I don't. Because they know who I am, perhaps another good reason never to use escort agencies again. She was loud, uncouth, though the BBBJ was ok, even with the wonder pill there was no way I could keep myself attracted enough to her to fuck her. Just no way. This reminded me of that time in Auckland I was being massaged by a Maori girl, and though she had a slammin' body, her face just turned me off. She did her level best to try to make me cum, but it just wouldn't happen. Because it was an escort agency in Bangkok, this qualifies as the priciest, even for just a few hours, so sad to say, of the entire trip, this was the most expensive session, but easily one of, if not the worst. So the correlation between price and service / experience, was made even clearer to me today. Pricier definitely does not mean better. In the end, here in Bangkok anyway, cheaper is indeed better. Of course it depends on a lot of luck too, of which I have very little.

Can Can: To get the bad taste out of my mouth, I went to see Aer for the 3rd time. My God, for what I paid earlier, I coulda seen Aer 2 more times after this. Don't know if I mentioned this earlier, but she has a huge see-section scar, she's one of the few that doesn't talk about her kid or kids. But she's still so very friendly and smiley, and just a joy to be around. Her smile is infectious. Her lisp so adorable. Sex was very good, multiple positions, she rode me cowgirl so hard, I finally came through a combo of HJ and BJ, and knowing she would let me cum in mouth, I blasted but the timing was a bit off and I got her mostly on the lips and a little bit in her hair. Sexy, very sexy. She told me about her friend that wants to work there too, and it got me thinking, yup, there is no shortage of young hot girls that want to work these oilies cause of the money. Man, some of the talent is real nice, but yes, I would say most are just ok looking.

Spanky's: Was this Nana? I don't even remember anymore. Sat with Tong, cute enough, friendly. Bought her a drink and left, very little hassle from mamasan, so highly recommend this place. Considering the events of today, beyond this point I took a few days off, just kinda floated around in the hotel pool, hung out at the gogo bars, had a metric ton of Chang beer.

Thing of it is fellas with no shortage of street walkers, oilies, soapies, gogo bars, etc. I just don't see a reason for escorts. If I ever get to come back to Thailand, I'm going to skip the escorts unless I really see one that's worth it, plenty of reviews, etc.

Day 14:

I'm basically out of touristy shit to do and boy am I glad. Just doing nothing but eating, drinking, fucking, sleeping. Truly a vacation for the ages. I tell ya fellas, if you got to go, go the way of Carradine. He died in a Bangkok hotel room, probably with a smile too doing what he loved. Embarrassing? Sure, but he's dead, so he don't care. Just die a happy man. If you know what I'm talking about, then yes, you are old like me.

Boss Massage: Walked in here on a whim and just like Sai at Aurora, Yuri here was the prettiest. Easily the prettiest. And just like Sai at Aurora, she was friendly enough, a bit distant, did her job well, but her sheer beauty was more than enough to get me to cum when fucking her. And that beautiful ass on her tiny frame with her fantastic bolt-ONS, I came and came hard in doggy. I think from this, I'm getting clued into the fact that I need the younger, and way super hot girls with tighter pussies to come. Cause if they can't get me to cum in the first few positions, then it might not happen. That's when the more patient and kind ones come in where if they don't give up on me, and I move on to condom #2, I can make it happen. Only other place I saw with a clock. Pretty close to time too. The clock even works. I didn't even mind that she wouldn't let me suck on her titties. Just so damn gorgeous. A good time was had. Look at the website, she's the hottest one there, bar none. On time, most of these places don't short me, but it's definitely not 90 min. Always at least 10 min less. They got to get you out man. More potential customers coming in, or there was an appointment. You know fellas, on this trip I did Kokoro twice, Doki Doki twice, and even with places famous for rimming I didn't get rimmed nearly as much as I wanted to be on this trip. It is indeed the holy grail of sexual experiences. That's why it's tough to beat Prague of many years ago. A Prague that may or may not exist now. Because that Prague, then, read my super old reports from then, the rimming that those girls gave me. I still dream about it. Just like the times I got rimmed at Geylang. It's such a rare find. Such a rare experience. If you find girls that'll rim you, and rim you hard. Repeat them. Repeat them!

BKK Happy: From the lineup today, I picked Meena. Tiny very thin little thing, that when she gave me a body slide, it was kinda bony. Still sexy though. Friendly enough, good service, came in doggy. Smallest one yet, but better looking with her hair down. Small tits, but at this point I don't care anymore. Tits are tits. Pussy is pussy. I'm lucky if I can get any. She's friendly enough. Enough for me to say she's not distant, whereas most girls are a little distant and businesslike, that's why when you find a gem that's worth repeating, always repeat, at least one other time.

RuenThai: This spot is literally next door to BKK Happy and I swear everytime I walk by, a girl from inside would open the door to beckon me in. Sometimes girls are actually quite hot. But the place looks a little run down, the signage, and there's zero internet presence. I do wonder what it's about. I'm sure it's the same deal, but with so many options, why. The girls in there look pretty desperate though, the place looks like it's on its last legs. If I had more time, I might have tried.

Nana: Dropped by here just to kill time, soak in the vibes, people watch from the balcony. Thought I was a genius when I found this great spot right under a fan, and wouldn't you know it, a security guy shows up and says the seats under the fans are just for them. Yeah, ok, sure fella. Thai girls are hardworking as hell, but these guys? Jeez. I noticed the people count at the entrance too, though if they're counting people like me that go in and out of the entrance a few times the same night, the count is definitely exaggerated. People watching from the balconies of Nana is definitely fun, you get to catch your breath, chill a little, no one hassles you unless you sit under the fans, etc. The beer place on the ground floor in the center is nice too. There is one big difference and one I do appreciate, there's a 'no photos' sign now right at the entrance and for the most part, people do seem to comply. Many years ago the last time I was in Nana, you could take all the photos you want. I was thinking to myself though, no way they would enforce it, but wouldn't you know it, some clueless touristy types walked in as a group, and one fell started taking photos, and within 2 seconds, some of the ladies and then the guards told him off, etc. I'm not going to say where the fellas where from, but I'll just say that the part of the world they would normally be associated with usually ends with the word 'subcontinent'.

Let me rant a little. It's tough to find girls that look really good and will provide excellent service. Photos almost never match. It's so bad sometimes the mismatch it's pretty egregious. Up to this point, the 2 that really match are Yuki from Day 12 and Yuri from tdoay, but even then they were kind of distant. But by the end of this trip, I found the full package in Haru. Stay tuned.

Day 15:

If you know what Montezuma's revenge is, then not only are you as old as I am, but you're from North America. Cause on this day, on this most momentous of days, I got the Thai version. What I will call Rama's Revenge. Man, it was bad. From morning till mid day. Was it bad chicken? Was it covid? Was it herpes? Was it the flu? Monkeypox? Was it the side effects of the wonder pill? Whatever it was, I was on the throne on and off all fucking day. It had to happen I suppose. I think it was the chicken from the day before. Maybe a little undercooked. What started out as a bad day turned out to be one of the better ones, amazingly enough.

Dream Heaven Massage: Finally had Yumi! After skipping her from a lineup 2 weeks ago, to seeing her open the door to beckon me in the times I walked by, I had to have her. To say she's stunning is an understatement. She's so gorgeous most men would kill for her. Perfect face, cute bangs, fantastic juicy naturals. When she was riding me cowgirl, looking at the way the light was sculpting her amazing body, it was like porn. I didn't care at all that she wouldn't let me suck her titties or that the blowjob was covered. Her beauty was astounding, and her english was definitely better than most. Sex multiple positions, and she tried to make me cum with my dick between her tits, but to no avail. But she was patient enough to let me fuck her doggy again with condom 2, and bam! I came. Excellent. Says she's from Chiang Mai. At this point I've met girls from all over, some from Bangkok itself. But again most of the stories are strikingly similar and parallel a lot of what I've seen for myself decades ago. I get it's the culture and all that, but none of us ever ask to be born in the first place, but to be born to have to carry the burden of family like that, just cause they were born girls. It's cruel if you ask me. With few occupational options, they end up at places where degenerates like us meet them. Natural see cups on Yumi, a fantastic time was had by me. Sweet and friendly, a little quirky and weird too. My god, what an ass. Not GFE at all, but her sheer beauty is enough to carry me through.

Venus: Wiwi again, and this time a little bit of phone tag confusion, so we end up at the shop instead of my hotel, well, good for me cause I'm paying less and getting more. This time, the 3rd time with Wiwi, I finally came during sex. Which is great, cause if I still couldn't do it, she would blow me until I came in her mouth. Sweet as always, friendly and wanted to keep in touch. She's had a kid, so her pussy being not so tight isn't a really good theory for my inability to come sometimes. Again, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes I can come pretty fast with sex with some girls, sometimes it just won't happen. Go figure.

A good fuck is a good fuck, at my age I don't get too picky. But yes, GFE are hard to come by, and on this whole trip so far I would say the real passionate, lovey-dovey GFE types are few, but worth it. Wiwi is definitely one. Haru in my future reports was definitely one, Lily no doubt, and Aer too, not forgetting Noey. Not the bad Noey, the good one, so many of them have the same fake names. I've lost count of how many Yumi's, Yuki's and Yuri's I came across.

Soi 11 : Went down memory lane. This is how clueless I was on my last trip to Bangkok. I actually stayed here to be 'close' to Nana, not even knowing that Nana is just ok and that this whole freakin' street is full of bars and shit, some kinda cool spot for people to hang out. But I'm staying somewhere else this time, closer to cowboy, and a way better area if you ask me. Closer to the oilies. But if you're big into the party scene, then soi 11 is for you.

Ola Ola: I am the customer. Me. Yet this place treated me like I was begging them to see their girls. Puh-lease, this is Bangkok. Too many options to have to deal with their bullshit. Via Line, there was an inane amount of back and forth, trying to commit me to an appointment, and I've been through enough to know to avoid that if possible, and I was like can't I just walk in to see the line up? I said and very reasonably so, why would I just pick a girl when I can't even see the face, and a good 30 minutes later, they sent me the face picks and when I didn't respond, they actually deleted it. Via Line, I've dealt with, and will continue to deal with many of these massage / oilie / nuru joints, but this place really takes the cake. Can't be bothered with them, and this is another one of those places recommended by a particular website, of which I will speak on a little later.

I can't remember now if I reported on this already, or if it's going to come up in my future reports, but it's worth mentioning. In Nana, on the second floor, was it one of the Rainbows? Can't remember which gogo now, but I saw a security guard turn away a customer at the door. Like he looked at him, and motioned him to turn around and leave. This guy plus his friends were from the part of the world associated with the word 'subcontinent'. There's a number of subcontinents on the planet, I'll just say it's an Asian subcontinent. I've read about this phenomenon, and from what I've also heard on the ground, from the girls themselves as well, they seem to have a somewhat colorful, albeit slightly negative reputation. I don't want to paint an entire grouping of people to be bad, I'm sure there are many fine fellas from that group, but when I saw that happen for myself, I then realized, well whadya know, it does happen. Seemingly at random, some dudes just get turned away at the entrances of some gogo bars. In my future report, I'll mention a girl who told me that she specifically doesn't want to work with them either. That is quite interesting.

Day 16:

Last day of tourism just for shits and giggles, saw yet another what.

Thonglor Massage One: Picked Bebe, and honestly couldn't tell what was going on with the braces, or was it food stuck in there? Not that attractive, but attractive enough. But strangely English was quite strong. Based on the things she was telling me about herself and why she doesn't escort, why she chose this place that's in a quieter neighborhood, I suspect that she could be more along the lines of middle class who fell on hard times. Maybe even went to an international type school in Bangkok. We never go to places for the massage itself, but wasn't bad, no BJ or anything, but sex was ok, came in doggy. An ok time was had. If I had to say she looks like a less attractive version of Avena Lee. If you know who I'm talking about then you're really old school like me.

Maid Cafe: Very tempted to walk in here since it's right there not too far from Thonglor Massage One, but as I peeked in the window, I saw the 'maids' wearing their masks. Which is fine, but in a situation where there's no sex, and now you can't even tell if the chicks are cute or not, what's the point? I get it, it's just a cafe, but I just didn't see the point.

Pretty Massage: Being in the Thonglor area, I decided to stop by Pretty Massage, the oily that's literally next to Momo in the small alleyway headed to the back of Nikko Hotel. Had Bam, which from the photo, they let me see her in real life and she's quite a looker. Luckily for me, she's pretty good in bed too. Service oriented, and though she moaned a bit about me needing to use a second condom since my old man dick gave up, I gave her a tip for not giving up. I freakin' came in doggy. Thank you Bam, wham bam thank you ma'am. I need to make a small correction to one of my previous reviews (Jasmine from Picasso was found here, not Momo massage, with so many girls, so many places, I think my confusion is understandable). One note, this place had a clock! One of the few places that only had a clock, but it worked. These 2 places side by side to each other, Momo and Pretty, they honor their time commitments to the minute. So kudos to them. Most places will get to or close to the time, but this place is pretty precise.

Addict: Having had Lily 3 times at Addict, I wanted to try someone different here and had Mona. Shapely, pretty with big naturals, long BBBJ, and I managed to come in doggy, friendly enough but even at 90 min I did feel kinda rushed a bit. I actually wanted to tip her at the end, but the last few minutes were so rushed, I didn't even get the chance. All good to me. This whole day cost about as much as that one session from the terrible escort that day, the more I think about it, the more I've learned what not to do, what to do, Jesus H Christ willing that I get to come back again to do this. 3 hot fucks for the price of one shitty escort. Go figure. To each his own. But I'm definitely an oily / massage place guy, for sure.

Got to add, before I forget, some places like Kokoro have an audio warning system to let people know in the lobby that a customer is walking down. For Kokoro it's a hilarious plastic duck noise maker thing, other places just have the girl shout, some use bells. It's pretty neat.

Before I go on with the rest of the days, let's talk about 7-11. It's fucking amazing here! Like Mcdonald's, why are the American shit way more awesome outside of the US? In the US Mcd's and 7-11 is shit. Setup is shit, customer service is shit. But 7-11 in Thailand is like Duane Reade on crack. Friendly, capable, hardworking staff. Grocery store, deli, pharmacy all in one. Hot food. Fresh food. Everything. Awesome selection of Thai food favorites. Get this fellas. If you buy 2 drinks, they give you 2 straws! Holy shit. Very prompt payment processing too. Say what you want about Asian people, but you can't beat their work ethic. It's awe inspiring.

I notice too that it's pretty random when it comes to the girl whether she wants to arrange with you for a time out at your hotel without letting the boss know, or if she feels like she has to let the boss know. Some are pretty cavalier about it, exchanging Lines, etc. But some are pretty paranoid, and in some places you see a little sign that says no exchanging of contact information. Go figure.

As mentioned earlier I only tip if the girl is friendly and doesn't give up on me, so it means I generally cum. Best if it's sex, or CIM. But over the duration of this trip, I've become more pragmatic about hand jobs. Cause I think of it like this. If it's a hot girl giving me a hand job, it's still better than me giving myself the handy. Especially if it happens right after I've fucked her, or she's blown me all day.

So far I've had more than a few encounters with girls that work in 2 places. Like Rita that was both at Thaniya and Thermae, or Dear who's at Thermae at night, and All Stars in the day. Man, you got to give them' credit for the hustle they got to pull, the amount of work they got to do to pull in the dough. How hard they work, puts us in the west to shame. Honestly. We're so lazy by comparison.

Day 17:

BKK Happy: Yes! Noey is back and saw her today, and boy am I glad. She seemed a little flustered in the beginning, but I understood quick that that was her m. O. It's her ritual in a way to begin the session. You'll see it, it's kinda adorable. But from her I learned the amazing fact that all the tools of her trade, the little basket they bring around with the mouth wash, condoms, soap, etc. It's all on them. They pay for that shit. So do them a favor sometimes and bring your own condom if you need more than one. Not saying my dick is huge, but the ones they use tend to the smaller size. Ha, I can say that now since the wonder pill makes me so hard, I actually have a nice sized dick for a change instead of the limp disaster from past times. In a way, I saw how the donuts were made today, first time seeing a guy being escorted out as I was coming in for the same girl, but let's face it. We know the deal. It is what it is. Just shut your mind to it and for 90 minutes pretend it's just you. Just like 2 weeks ago she was very friendly, very smiley, very active, and tried very very hard to make me cum. I finally did cum, through a BJ / HJ combo and I accidentally sprayed cum onto her hair, sexy! Same room even, and even with 2 weeks she remembered me still. What a sweetheart, such a gem, a real keeper this one. Tipped her.

And so should you guys when you see her. Treat her like a princess. They don't come as good as her. She's a rare one. She tried so hard for me, we went beyond time as well. The first time that's happened on this trip. I did see Champagne on the way out, and man oh man, what a stunner. No time though.

Aurora: This is the Aurora that used to be Puru Puru, and from the line up picked Ray. In hindsight I shoulda just gone with Champagne back at BKK Happy. While Ray was friendly enough, no BJ and not much of anything. Sweet and kind, but kinda lazy, the sex was ok and somehow I managed to come in doggy. Lazy in the fact that she spent the last 10 min asleep too. Jeez. Says she spent some time at the gogobars of Phuket, so that might go a ways to explaining this. The bar girls, like the karaoke girls, like the Thermae girls, tend towards getting you off with minimal effort, coasting on their looks. But these massage / sauna / soapie girls, especially these more mid budget places, some of them work very hard. Just got to be lucky to land one. It's weird for me, in that the harder the girl tries for me, the less the odds of me being able to come from the sex itself. CIM no problem though. Could be coincidence but a lot of the real sweethearts I've had so far, the pussy just wasn't tight enough, or maybe I wasn't fucking right. It's said sex is mostly in the mind, but tell that to my dick. Whatever, the magic pill has done wonders for me on this trip.

Got to say I've had more listerine, more massages and more showers than I've ever had in my life on this trip. More jacuzzis too. Fan-fucking-tastic. Not the listerine bit. Hell, even with the Grab, Metro and BTS, I must've walked 50 miles by the end of this trip. Talk about exercise. And the heat with all the sweating, vitamin the from the sun. This place might be healthier for you guys than anyone realizes. Certainly for me. Well, maybe not the food. If I stayed any longer, I'd eaten myself to death. Like my idiot old man. Ha! Just an observation, the traffic here is so insane, especially on the main Sukhumvit road, that buildings, especially the fancier ones will have a flag guy to wave traffic down to stop, so a car could drive out. Just incredible.

Don Quixote: It seems no one here actually knows how to pronounce 'Don Quixote', ha. This one was a real downer. Mamasan showed me photos, and though 'many' girls were available, and I should've stuck with the one I wanted, she finagled me into Jesse, and while not the worst session of this trip, she is definitely one I would not pick in a lineup. Not attractive in the least, at least her body was ok, and thank Zeus I did only an hour. Just couldn't cum though, the whole time I just could not look at her face, and mamasan said she was 'popular' and the service was great. Man, good thing the whole situation was cheap. Clearly, mamasan just wanted her to have a customer on this day. If that was excellent service, then it was pretty bog standard. I was expecting that with a face like that, maybe she did way more like rimming, but nuh-uh. Look, I can say all this shit, cause I'm ugly as sin too. Only ugly people get to call other people ugly. But 'popular'? Mamasan said she was popular? Puh-lease. At this point, I've done 2 other girls from this place, reported on some time ago. Pick those other 2 instead of this chick.

RSK: I did walk into this place and though mamasan wanted to give me a line up, all the girls were sitting outside anyway, from the Line communications the girl I wanted had just left. Apparently this place qualifies as a 'kapoo' as well. RIght in the middle of all the other massage / oily joints? During the lockdowns, this must've been one of the places that switched out to being a 'kapoo' to cater to local customers to keep themselves going. Interesting.

Nana: I won't say where and who, cause I really want to keep her to myself. But she came up with a pretty solid reason not to be barfined by me, and I theorized that this must really be the beginning of where girls are encouraged to hustle for more lady drinks as opposed to being barfined out. Obviously, it's to the benefit of the bar itself, they could give a shit how much the girl makes for herself. So to compensate, I bought her just one lady drink, and left. Let's see how things pan out in the future if I ever get to go back to Bangkok.

There's this website where I won't name names, but it's a synonym of stone or another geologically hard material. Or a musical genre. Anyway, he'll write on places around the world and occasionally places in Bangkok. I've learned now that he's clearly being paid to say really good things about these places. Yes, we're not idiots, don't trust any review you read out there. Use it as knowledge of a place's existence, but believe me, it's nowhere near as awesome as some of those reports would have you believe. Case in point, Ola-Ola, Hunny Bunny, Picasso, Casanova, etc.

Day 18:

I'm inching closer and closer to the end, and my heart breaks. But I must soldier on. At this point over the recent summer, I was in Bangkok almost a month. A total of 19 days hobbying in a one month long trip. I made notes so that months later I could write these reports to post. There was a point in the middle of the trip where I started asking myself why am I doing this? Keeping notes so that I could review girls later? I felt like it was antithetical to the whole point of living in the moment but I thought of it like this. Throughout the course of the day and night, while I was fucking my way thru Bangkok, that was living. That was being in the moment. Whether I got to nut or not, didn't matter, just being in pussy, that in and of itself was indeed sublime enough for me. Or had a great meal. Or saw an amazing what, etc. Late at night as I got ready for bed, I'd put pen to paper to try to remember the events of the day. Man, I'm so old, pen and paper! Who uses pen and paper these days? But I travel light, no laptop, no tablet, just cell phone, so imagine my old man fingers trying to type notes down on a cellphone. On a month long trip like this, to do it justice I just had to report on it, for posterity's sake.

I go punting on average every other day, with the non-sex days, just chillin'. So far, I'd say 3/4 of the girls I've had were from outside Bangkok. Statistically that's pretty precise from everything I've read. In the end I was here for so long I was basicaly able to do on average one touristy place a day, and by the last week, just ran out of places to visit, so that's when the real fucking happened where I did more repeats since I knew who to see again, and where not to go to anymore. Man, I get it now fellas. I finally get it. I understand the why, the what and the where of Bangkok and why so many of you don't ever want to leave. I'm sure there are places better or cheaper, etc. But Bangkok has it all in my book. At my age now, I like things to be simple. When I was a younger man, yes I would take chances, some borderline insane chances, risks, etc. I would explore, I would try new things, and on and on. But with so much life under my belt, a graduate of the decades long college of hard knocks, and having some real shitty situations handed to me over the years, I'm ready to call it a day and pack it in. Bangkok these days is so easy to navigate, both figuratively and literally. The sheer scale of options for sex. The food. The mostly friendly people. The magical wonder that is South East Asian 7-11's. I can go on and on about the 7-11's there. The malls. Based on my last trip to Bangkok all those years ago, I'd never guess that I would've enjoyed myself this much this time around. I'm really glad I took a chance. It was a totally monetary based decision, but even more reason to go to Thailand.

I've noticed short bookings seem to be the way to go with gogo bars these days. Makes sense, like I said earlier, it's to no benefit to the bar itself for the girl to be gone, she can make them more money hustling for lady drinks than to have her be gone with a guy. Sure, it benefits the girl to get a guy that'll pay her long time and tip, etc. But the bar'll push their agenda first. I think in due time, bar fines and ladydrinks'll cost even more, and pretty soon these places would just be for dudes to sit there and drink with the chicks. Kinda like a shitty American strip club. But look, give me a Thailand gogo bar over an American strip club any day, cause a Thai gogobar will still be infinitely cheaper than a North American strip club. Thank you very much. I mean, for the price of 3 measly lap dances in Flashdancers NYC, I can have an actual massage, sex, BBBJ, get showered by a hot girl, and be treated well here in a Bangkok sex shop. Just sayin'. I spent so many years partaking in the NYC strip club scene, and the money I paid just for a handjob. Jeez. I can't remember which night it was, but I reported on how on one of my gogobar visits, where I didn't barfine a girl, I had a great time just sitting and hanging out with a cute server girl, watching the girls dance, bought a few lady drinks, drinking some Chang beer, hung out for some hours, and all in all it cost me about 2 k Baht. That ain't even $60 bucks! Not even $60 bucks, holy rusted metal Batman! Where in NYC can I get a whole nights worth of entertainment like that for 60 bucks? I know some of the more jaded among us will try to report on the how's and why's of nickel and diming everyone on everything relative to other places, etc. But I'm comparing directly to my own current sad situation of a life. Ok, on to the report:

BKK Happy: Haru. Here we come to almost the end, and here we arrive at the single, best girl I've had all trip. The incomparable, the matchless, the stunning Haru. Almost like her photos, I took a gamble and booked her via Line without a lineup, and boy am I glad I did. What a beauty, a tiny little wisp of a girl, but nice natural small titties, braces, cute adorable beautiful face, fantastic friendly attitude. Aims to please, chatty and wonderful. So very patient and tries her best to make me happy. Excitable and all around so very adorable. Sex in multiple positions and by the grace of Jesus H Christ himself, she was tiny enough that the girth of my wonder pill powered dick matched her wrist. Just like in porn! Holy Moses Batman! Fucking finally. I finally found a girl where when she put her wrist up to my dick, it was the same size, just like what they do in porn. It finally happened for me. And she was so sweet and patient with the BBBJ, putting her face up to my dick, mouth open, while waiting for me to cum. HJ, then BJ, HJ, then BJ, until I finally blew a huge load into her mouth. Sexy as hell. This is one of those times where like I mentioned before, when you say 'blowjob' they kinda don't get it. You got to say blowjob and point to her mouth. Or say it in Thai. A fair amount of DFK too, especially while in the jacuzzi. You better believe I tipped her. A fantastic time was had. By Merlins beard, a fan-fucking-tastic time. I can see why she's popular, but not this day cause it was a weekday. Don't even hope to find her on a weekend. Booked solid.

Cowboy 2 : Stopped by for a looksee, girl #102 looked good, but the mamasan was just too pushy. Annoying as hell. Had one beer and split. Weirdly, I found myself stopping by Nana or Cowboy almost every night just to soak in the atmosphere. Sometimes I would go in for a beer, other times I just walked around and left. And a few times I would barfine. But the energy, the vibe. If you don't feel alive walking through these places, nothing short of skydiving would do it.

BKK Happy: The 3rd and last time I saw Noey, this time she really opened up to me. DFK and all that when the last 2 times she didn't even kiss me. And this time we really connected, via the magic of google translate of course. Such a sweetheart. Haru mentions that she does doubles with Noey, but they're not lesbians, so if you book them both, you won't see them kiss or tongue fuck each other, it'll be the 2 of them on you. I've done enough threesomes to know it ain't really worth it unless the 2 girls are into each other, so let's not bother with that on this trip. Noey seemed even more flustered than usual at the beginning this time, but as a ritual she needed to do it I guess, and at this juncture ask her if she's ok, the usual sabaideemai, help her out with her plastic container of stuff, and she'll be even more sweet to you for just being patient and kind. She wanted to know more about me and why I wasn't married, I explained it as simple as because I'm one ugly piece of shit. I just am. I'm cursed like that. What can I say? I told her that yes, many many years ago I was in a relationship but things didn't work out. That woman wanted so much from me, and damned near destroyed my very being. I've had many painful experiences in my life, but that woman took a chunk out of my life. If I married her and had kids, and all that bullshit, I think I'd be in a loony bin right now. For whatever it's worth, at least I got to fuck all these girls since then. I can't overstate how important having some autonomy over your own life is. Anyway, google translate was able to communicate some of that to her and yes, though I am alone, I'm not lonely. That seemed to really resonate with her. I think for most of these girls all the money and help they got to give to the people back home, they got to feel pretty alone. They wish so much for freedom from it all, and they wonder what it would be like to be able to have control over their own destinies. But instead they're stuck, I tell ya fellas, life is both simultaneously too long and too short. Too long for all the shit we got to deal with, but way too short for all the girls we got to fuck. I'm not a huge fan of being alive, but since I am, I want to spend more time fucking. Truly, money is the best aphrodisiac.

Twister: Stopped by Nana for the last time and had a beer at this joint. Ok place, mamasan will leave you alone for like 10 min. There's this girl here I saw, and I'm keeping her to myself, exchanged Lines and all, I never got to fuck her, but I hope to God she'll be around if I ever get to go back. She's been in the business 4 years she says, looks to be about mid 20's. So here's to the Sex Gods, she'll be around whenever I get to back. I hope she doesn't turn into a limp fish when the barfine is paid for, but after multiple encounters across multiple gogobars, the coincidence of seeing her, just her general demeanor, she's got to be good. She's just so stunning though. So very stunning in my eyes. Where she used to work, she was easily top 5, here in Twister, she's got a lot of competition, but still a stunner to me. The place itself seems to be doing really well, everything seems to be pretty squared away and locked on.

In front of the Nana Plaza entrance you'll see some trans women, or maybe real women, it's tough to tell sometimes, but what made these girls unique was that it was a group of deaf girls signing. And I was like Oh my god. Their deaf. Deaf escorts standing outside of Nana Plaza waiting for customers. That was something, being curious I did a bit of research, it turns out the deaf community in Bangkok and Thailand in general are not treated so well, so my heart goes out to them.

You know the other day I woke up with a colossal headache, and at first I was wondering what the hell. Again, was it covid? Monkeypox? Food poisoning? But then it hit me. Holy shit, I was having a hangover! But I had like 2 beers! What the hell man. What's wrong with me? Then I realized. Holy shit, with my old man medications and the wonder pill, with all that alcohol, I think there were nights where I coulda died. Holy shit, talk about living on the edge. That's right, never take meds with alcohol. I think the time in between where I had my meds and alcohol maybe wasn't far apart enough.

Day 19:

BKK Happy: At the end of my trip, I ended it with Haru. I wanted my last fuck here to be a sure thing and Haru is definitely it. Knowing if I don't cum from sex that she'll blow me until I cum in her mouth, I had to go for Haru. Multiple positions, she was tiny enough I was able to do standing mish, carried her over to the bed from the couch, back to couch for the ending blowjob and I blasted cum right into her mouth. Sexy as hell. Nice way to end the trip too, ending it at the same joint where I started. I even got to hold her head down while I was cumming into her mouth in what felt like waves. Very porn like, fantasy. Fulfilled! We talked a bit about Champagne and while she was being very diplomatic about it, I got the sense that the girls don't get along well with Champagne because she's quite new and so damn hot. She seems to deal exclusively with the mamasan, and is always booked, so she's not there to make friends. If you look at their website, when you see what Champagne looks like, let me tell you that she actually looks like that in real life, you can see why she's so very much in demand. Haru's from the south, one of the islands, I can't remember now. What a sweetheart. Quick note, I had to pee really bad halfway through the jacuzzi, so she said to just pee next to the tub outside where the water drains out, and she looked at me while I was peeing. I guess that's also kinda sexy. Never had a girl look at me pee before. With all the sex, all the cum, rimming, all that stuff, yeah, this was the first time a girl looked right at me as I peed. How weird is that. Talking to Haru, I found it interesting that she doesn't like certain races. She even said that when they come in and they want her she'll tell the mamasan to get her out of it. I won't mention who or from where, but it did make me feel just that little bit more special. Look, I'm shit here ok? In North America I'm shit. Lower than shit. The sexual wasteland that's known as the American north east. And to be special when I'm in Bangkok, let me have this. Of course, I pretend to be from somewhere else. If there's one girl I would fly all the way back to Thailand for it would be Haru, she's the whole package. The way this place is run is pretty good too, most of these oilies are, I like how punctual they are, 15 minutes prior to minutes prior. This part of the world is not known for that, but they run a tight ship. Haru reminds me of every shorter girl I've ever had. You've got the tall girls, the medium sized girls, and then you have the gems where they're so tiny, it's beyond cute. She's got to be under 5 feet. Many, many years ago when I was back on the block, I had a girl who had the body shape and size of a Remy Lacroix. In all these decades of hobbying, I've come to learn to appreciate all female body shapes, but alas, I do draw the line at the real fatties. The chunkiest I'll accept is a Gianna Michaels type. More cushion for the pushin.

Final thoughts:

I don't know if I ever felt like this at the end of a vacation. It felt like that time when I had to leave Prague for the last time, it was heartbreaking, and this time it's heartbreaking too. I felt like I was on the verge of tears. Was it because I was here for too long that I started to feel at home? Do I feel like the month has made up for the last 2 years? Maybe. Just maybe. How does anywhere else in the world top this? The affordable prices, the friendly people, the great food, the many sex options, the many sex places, the easy acces to the wonder pill, easy to get around, how safe the city is, I can't think of anywhere. It's a convergence of all these elements. Most places will have one or some, but a place like Bangkok where all the factors converge? There's only Bangkok. There's only one minus. And it's the hot humid weather. But that's it. That's literally it. Everything else is great. This is the place, this might really be it. The place I go back to over and over and over again. My Vegas. My Caribbean cruise. I got to say, most of these girls are just amazing. With what they have to go through in life. Fate, Destiny, God, Life, Zeus, Jesus, Buddha, call it whatever you want, but with the cards they've been dealt, how some of them can still keep going like this, it's just amazing. I arrived for the pussies I get to fuck, but I leave from this trip having learned to respect their strength and determination. The good ones are really good. I felt like if I saw them even one more time I'd fall in love with them head over heels. So it's definitely time to skedaddle. For the good ones, it's hard not to fall for them.

For any number of reasons I've seen a lot of the world, but Thailand's pucker factor is damn near zero for me. I can't even say that with Europe. The pickpockets in Italy are annoying as hell. Just have your wits about you in Bangkok, and it's all copacetic. And you know what, despite the reputation of the bigger South East Asian cities as being nut to butt full of people everywhere, I didn't really find it so. Even the BTS wasn't bad half the time. Sure as shit is better than rush hour on Tokyo's Saikyo line or New York's 5 train.

Yeah, looking back on all the places I went to and everything I did, in that time I easily walked 50 miles, averaging at least 2 miles a day. And that was from barely even trying. Walking to the malls / restaurants to get my food, etc. Going from sex place to sex place. This is definitely the best kind of exercise, stealh exercise where you don't even feel it, and with some of the sex as vigorous as it was, I think I lost me some calories, at least the ones I gained from the food anyway. Having been back here, looking at my local supermarket, it just feels so shitty compared to the ones I saw in Bangkok. Everyone here in the supermarket looks like they're moving in slow motion, the shelves look so sad, everything feels so gray. In Bangkok, everyone was moving fast, working hard, colors everywhere. It just felt more alive, more choices, more fresh. God, we suck here. The first few days back here I was in a daze, suffering from a kind of withdrawal. I kept dreaming about Bangkok. I swear I woke up one morning and for a moment thought I was still there. I think maybe I stayed too long. It's in me now. Bangkok is in my blood. It's like a drug. I want to have more. Instead of satisfying me, it makes me want to go back even more. Also, this is one of those rare times I got to make use of the strong Dollar. Over the years wherever I go, it seems like the Dollar is always weak as shit, but this time, man did I make the most of it. Thailand was cheap as hell to me, just like NZ was a coupla years ago.

Now with all this, Europe just feels too pricey to me. Like it's not worth it anymore. The strong Dollar aside, it just doesn't feel worth it no more. It's the same thing as the 3 lapdances in a NYC strip club thing. With what you can get for X amount in Bangkok, why pay more for the same or less in Europe? Unless there's a specific type of blonde / brunette that you want, sure that makes sense. But when you get as old as me, and pragmatism kicks in and you say to yourself pussy is pussy, then cost and ease of access wins out all the time. I've had me some great blondes and brunettes over the years, especially in Prague but in the end with lack of time, since I'm old, and an eye on funds, value has to win out. I get it, I can get a nice blonde in Lisbon for 150 euros which is now just 150 bucks or less, but it's for barely an hour, and no guarantee it'll be good, no access to the wonder pill as well, so I won't be able to enjoy it as much, and when the trip itself, hotel and flights are not that much more to Bangkok as it is to Lisbon, it just sells itself. Oh man, you guys. On the flight back, there was this kid that would not stop fucking crying. The whole cabin was pissed. The cabin crew did their level best to shut the kid up. 5 or 6 years old maybe. But like magic, the very second we deplaned, the little shit was quiet as a mouse. I saw them' at customs, and that family seemed pretty happy with themselves. One more reason not to have kids sports fans. And why is it when all of us citizens come back the line is so long while the foreigner line moves at breakneck speeds? Yet when I'm a foreigner in some other country, it's slow as shit, but their citizen line moves super fast? See'Mon. JFK, get your shit together. You too Newark. And don't get me started on LaGuardia. Jesus Christ.

Ahh Bangkok, I can see how a man can get lost in all this. I finally get it now. Advice: Definitely grab a sim, better yet just buy a new cheap awesome phone there. Barely even $100 bucks. Install Grab and Line. And with google maps location tracker, you'll never be lost. I'm so old, I had no idea the map could show me where I was real time like that, even the direction I was looking at. Incredible. God, I'm so old. Learned a coupla things, these are personally for me, do what you want when you're in town, but for me:

No more escort agencies. No more Thermae (Min was demanding and definitely not service oriented), truly amateur. Do not trust photos. Try to get a live line up. Even if the girl seems friendly in the line up and smiles, etc. It can still go downhill. No more gogobars. At a 50% hit rate, over this trip and the last, statistically it's been the worst place for me. But I'm keeping one slot open for that girl from Twister. If I ever get to go back, she'll be my one and only, and last gogo bar girl. In general, the more expensive the place, the worse it seems to be. On this trip for me, there was a clear correlation between what I paid and the service I got. As in, the more I had to pay, the worse it was. So, do not correlate the more costly it being, to it being better. Nuh-uh. The cheaper to mid-range places seem to have the best service, and therein lies the best value.

Overall, a very cost effective trip. Not counting the hotel and flights, the actual hobbying itself wasn't too bad. It's basically 2. 5 years worth of sex trips condensed into one, so you better believe I let myself go. Overall, the best value for money has to be the massage / sex places, or in our parlance the 'oilies'. For an hour to 90 minutes, or 2 hours, you get showered by and with the girl, a massage, sometimes a very good massage, blowjob, and the actual sex itself, and very rarely even rimmed. 9 out of 10 times the blowjob is bareback, so that's a plus in my book. It's service and being serviced all the way. While at places like Thermae and the gogo bars, the girls expect you to bang them, and that it's. They won't often do much more for you. Which makes sense cause they're not there to 'massage' you. But Dollar for Dollar, if in the end, connection and especially sex, and specifically nutting is what you're after, then them places be the best bang for the buck bar none. Hell, even that last day with Haru as I left the joint, all the girls in the lobby stood up and did the 'Wai' to me, it's all fantastic. At the midpoint of my trip, I did a little math and sure, I spent a decent amount of cash by then, but considering this is a trip to compensate for literal years of not travelling or hobbying, I was more than willing to spend more. When will I ever be able to go back to Bangkok again?

There is one weird thing though, most girls will do BBBJ but won't kiss. And those who do, take more than one session to open up to more DFK. That's kinda weird to me. If it's a hygiene or std thing, you'd think the dick be more suspect than the lips. Thanks to this trip too, I've become much more pragmatic about the actual nutting itself. At 2 to 3 times a day, and at my age, how many times do I really expect myself to cum? Thanks to the wonder pill, just being able to fuck for a long time, with multiple positions is a God send to me already. I'll take whatever I can.

Many of the girls share the same stories, and again believe what you will, but from my own experience of South East Asia, most of what they say is true, if embellished a little. But look at where and how they live, you do have to feel a little lucky for yourself and feel for them. Sure, we're there to fuck them, but let's be a little humane right? A little empathy goes a long way. Especially in the being serviced department. And I only tip the good ones, and I have yet to fall for one, and please do not send them money after the fact. If you do, then you're a chump. I was here in Bangkok for 3 things. I call it my 3 pillars of vacation: Sex, food, and a tiny bit of tourism. Got more than enough of all 3, but of course sex is like money isn't it? You can never have enough. A man can get lost in all this for sure, the sex, the booze. The girls. Everything. I get it now. I finally 'get' Thailand. I understand, like Neo in the Matrix, my eyes have been opened, I see the code. It's intoxicating. It's good I left when I did. My wallet wouldn't have lasted any longer. I get it now why some fellas spend their whole lives trying to get back there and never want to leave.

Almost all the girls I had were in their 20's, so that was a huge plus, I think only 2 or 3 were in their 30's. Ate everything I wanted to and then some, went to see the places I wanted to and them some, Every mode of transportation Bangkok had, and then some. It's weird how when you're on the ground, living this life at this place, the difference between 200 to 500 baht seems to matter, cause the offer is made as an option, but it's barely $5. I don't always go for the jacuzzi, but for an extra $10 bucks sometimes, sure, why not? Am I ever coming back? Can I get anything like this at the fraction of this cost in NYC? So to me, I just had to live a little. Man, ATM's were everywhere, I was worried for nothing. Cash is still very much king here, for now. And that's a good thing in my book. Call me old fashioned. I think it might be time for me to forget about Lisbon, or Berlin or Vienna. This might just be it fellas. My go to place, over and over. My Vegas, my Caribbean cruise. That vacation place where people go back to repeatedly. Singapore's out though, with all that Bangkok has to offer, Geylang just doesn't seem worth it anymore. Even though it's reopened, why transit there, when I can have Bangkok? Even buying the cellphone here. $100 bucks? Unlocked, snazzy, brand new, all the features, bells and whistles, where in NYC am I going to find that? And the 7-11. I remember thinking to myself one time, I just bought so much shit, and then looking at the actual amount, it was just around $7 bucks. I mean, holy hell Batman! What can I get in a Duane Reade for $7 bucks? Can't even get a measly sandwich for that there, but in a Bangkok 7-11, it was like 3 sandwiches, 2 drinks, a bun of some sort, a slice of cheesecake and a microwaved pad khra pao moo. Just amazing. Nothing short of miraculous.

Another interesting thing to note is how people here seem to operate only on military time. No one does 2 pm, it'll always be 1400 hours. Even the digital clock in my hotel room was set that way. Midnight wasn't 12:00, it was 0000. Everyone I spoke to, the girls, the agencies, the massage / sexjoints, all of them set the appointments with me by military time. How interesting. Such a big difference almost a decade makes. The last time I was in Bangkok. Somehow it's so much better and easier now, or at least this time I did Bangkok 'right'. I gave myself way more time too this time, and if I had to apply percentages, I'd say just 25% of the fucks were bad, so 3/4 of the sessions ranged from good to spectacular, again those are pretty good stats. If I ever get to come back, I'm aiming for 90%. What else did I glean? Don't let mamasan steer you, you pick them, don't let the girl pick you, especially in the gogo bar setting. Don't bother with the fancy soapies up there in Huai Kwang. For what you're paying, you can get the same in the Sukhumvit / Phrom Phong area for half the price or less. Those places, from my last trip, they'll rush you to pick just the same, and you're paying a premium for the place itself and the ambience more than anything.

That's it fellas. I thank you for reading. Such is the paradox of trips like this, the anticipation of the adventure itself, the joy of the moments at hand, but the brutal sadness once the journey's concluded. I'm an old man, and one can dream, there is a ton of information on retirement in Thailand, but it's still beyond me. But maybe it's a good thing, in the sense that too much of a good thing can be bad. I think back to my FKK days, and I wondered what life must be like for hobbyists living there in Germany. Just knowing that right there is a place, not a hop, skip and a jump away with hot naked women that they have access to everyday whenever they want to, and to one extent or another they get a little jaded about it. Cynicism, boredom creeps in, and they look for more or better. As old as I am, I still remember the early days of my hobbying career and the excitement, the joy, the wonder of each sexual encounter. Those days I rated almost every fuck as good, when now I would say they were just ok. I don't know, never having had the chance to live in a city or country where legal or semi-legal prostitution is readily available, I just can't say. If I had to put money on it, I'd say it's a good thing in the end. Because why not? I imagine all those years of visiting strip clubs in New York that I did, if it had been Frankfurt or Prague, Singapore or Auckland, Nuremberg or London, Bangkok or Montreal, I woulda had sex instead of getting just lap dances. Because of where I currently am stuck in, I have to fly to places to get my dick wet. I've said this in my older posts elsewhere in this forum, but for you fellas that get to live full time in the cities with readily accessible hobbying options, don't ever leave.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2756200]Another interesting thing to note is how people here seem to operate only on military time. No one does 2 pm, it'll always be 1400 hours.[/QUOTE]That's only "military time" in the US. In all of Europe and most of Asia it's the normal way we write down the time.

Also: Seriously good report. I just spent 45 minutes reading everything you wrote, taking many notes for my upcoming 3 weeks in BKK.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2756200]
Final thoughts:
There's only Bangkok. There's only one minus. And it's the hot humid weather. But that's it. That's literally it. Everything else is great. This is the place, this might really be it. The place I go back to over and over and over again.
For any number of reasons I've seen a lot of the world, but Thailand's pucker factor is damn near zero for me. I can't even say that with Europe.
Now with all this, Europe just feels too pricey to me. Like it's not worth it anymore. The strong Dollar aside, it just doesn't feel worth it no more. It's the same thing as the 3 lapdances in a NYC strip club thing. With what you can get for X amount in Bangkok, why pay more for the same or less in Europe? Unless there's a specific type of blonde / brunette that you want, sure that makes sense. But when you get as old as me, and pragmatism kicks in and you say to yourself pussy is pussy, then cost and ease of access wins out all the time. I've had me some great blondes and brunettes over the years, especially in Prague but in the end with lack of time, since I'm old, and an eye on funds, value has to win out. I get it, I can get a nice blonde in Lisbon for 150 euros which is now just 150 bucks or less, but it's for barely an hour, and no guarantee it'll be good, no access to the wonder pill as well, so I won't be able to enjoy it as much, and when the trip itself, hotel and flights are not that much more to Bangkok as it is to Lisbon, it just sells itself.
No more escort agencies. No more Thermae (Min was demanding and definitely not service oriented), truly amateur. Do not trust photos. Try to get a live line up. Even if the girl seems friendly in the line up and smiles, etc. Overall, the best value for money has to be the massage / sex places, or in our parlance the 'oilies'. For an hour to 90 minutes, or 2 hours, you get showered by and with the girl, a massage, sometimes a very good massage, blowjob, and the actual sex itself, and very rarely even rimmed. 9 out of 10 times the blowjob is bareback, so that's a plus in my book. It's service and being serviced all the way.

It's weird how when you're on the ground, living this life at this place, the difference between 200 to 500 baht seems to matter, cause the offer is made as an option, but it's barely $5. I don't always go for the jacuzzi, but for an extra $10 bucks sometimes, sure, why not? Am I ever coming back? Can I get anything like this at the fraction of this cost in NYC? So to me, I just had to live a little.

Don't bother with the fancy soapies up there in Huai Kwang. For what you're paying, you can get the same in the Sukhumvit / Phrom Phong area for half the price or less. Those places, from my last trip, they'll rush you to pick just the same, and you're paying a premium for the place itself and the ambience more than anything.

That's it fellas. I thank you for reading. Such is the paradox of trips like this, the anticipation of the adventure itself, the joy of the moments at hand, but the brutal sadness once the journey's concluded. I'm an old man, and one can dream, there is a ton of information on retirement in Thailand, but it's still beyond me. But maybe it's a good thing, in the sense that too much of a good thing can be bad. I think back to my FKK days, and I wondered what life must be like for hobbyists living there in Germany. Just knowing that right there is a place, not a hop, skip and a jump away with hot naked women that they have access to everyday whenever they want to, and to one extent or another they get a little jaded about it. Cynicism, boredom creeps in, and they look for more or better. As old as I am, I still remember the early days of my hobbying career and the excitement, the joy, the wonder of each sexual encounter. Those days I rated almost every fuck as good, when now I would say they were just ok. I don't know, never having had the chance to live in a city or country where legal or semi-legal prostitution is readily available, I just can't say. If I had to put money on it, I'd say it's a good thing in the end. Because why not? I imagine all those years of visiting strip clubs in New York that I did, if it had been Frankfurt or Prague, Singapore or Auckland, Nuremberg or London, Bangkok or Montreal, I woulda had sex instead of getting just lap dances. Because of where I currently am stuck in, I have to fly to places to get my dick wet. I've said this in my older posts elsewhere in this forum, but for you fellas that get to live full time in the cities with readily accessible hobbying options, don't ever leave.[/QUOTE]Mr. As other have posted previously, your reports were just off the scale amazing. The detail, info, the humour, etc. Loved it all.

I had the good fortune of reading most of them when I was actually in BKK. I therefore sometimes followed your track so that some of the places you went to one day I visited the next!

I suspect we are similar in age. You say you are old but if you are nutting 2 or 3 times a day you ain't that old. I think once we get past 50 we think we are old but in this modern day that's not too old.

I've cherry picked some of your comments from the reports above for specific reasons.

I agree with an awful lot of what you say but not all.

Most of all I loved your comment about how on the ground the difference between 200 and 500 baht becomes significant whereas in your own country you wouldn't bat an eyelid about it. I cannot agree more. On my recent visits to Pattaya and BKK I resolved NOT to do this this time. I have fallen victim to it before when I have stupidly turned down great options because 1500 baht sounded expensive. Notwithstanding that in my own territory (Europe) that would be about 70 euros! 70 euros is entry only into most FKKs! That's not getting your dick wet or dry. Its getting it through the door! This trip I did not succumb to this false economy nonsense. Oh I know locals will say "you two week millionaires kill it for us locals" but I don't buy that. The girls know very well the difference between the guys who live locally / are regulars, and the two week tourist. They know they cannot hope to snare a regular with prices they managed to persuade us tourists to part with. I had one amazing day in a gentleman's club in Pattaya, knowing I was leaving the next day (and with some sadness but not on your scale) so decided to fill my boots and took one girl after another, with some breaks for food, drinks, pool, talking but mainly a long string of ladies including a couple of threesomes before ending the night in the room partying with 4 girls! If you are nutting 3 times per day hats off to you. That's simply impossible for me. On a good day I might get the second one out! But like you, you learn to adapt, and enjoy the ride. So a great tip for other tourists. Don't start moaning about a girl quoting you 1200 baht when you've read on ISG that the price is 1000 baht. If you like her just do it! The 200 isn't worth the hassle!

I know what you mean about Thermae but I just couldn't resist going in frequently and selected several girls. Their negotiation skills are poor. This is due to being in the herd of girls and wanting a catch, and if you go in wearing expensive clothes and smelling good, they almost smirk at the other girls when you chose them. Long time since I was considered "the prize"! I had a lot of fun with a tiny little girl with short black hair called Noy from Thermae.

The oillies are also my favourites. I love the soapies in Pattaya and lament the closing of Annies which I also loved, but there are great options at the oilies and very reasonably priced. For me, Huai Kwang was good. I loved the whole look and feel of those big brash places and again, I didn't care that they were more costly than the oilies because in comparison with sterling and euros, and the cost of good sex in Europe / UK / Dubai / Singapore, this was still incredibly cheap. My personal favourite being La Belle. Some excellent choices. Only place I felt I was being ripped of in was The Pimp club. Only went once. Flash, impressive, great line up, but you are required to take 2 girls minimum to a room (first hour 2000 and each hour 1000 after), and buy a bottle (starts at 4000 even for wine! I knew before I went there that it was unlikely to cost me less than 15000 for the night. Ok its a lot especially in Thailand, but its less than I've spent for a night in Manchester, Berlin, Frankfurt, Madrid, Malaga, London etc for a great time. I did have a great time but felt it was pressured and sharky and the journey there from central BKK (I stupidly went on a bike) was crazy. But still a great experience.

Your approach to this trip, the exercise, walking, stealth, economics, appreciation of the touristy elements and sympathy for the stories (even if a little heavy sometimes) resonated so much with me. The members of the BKK forum should be forever in your debt. Fabulous reports Sir.

Mr York. If you are having fun with one out of two Agogo girls you are way ahead of the Game. Hahaha.

Has to be the toughest nut to crack. As soon as you get them Naked they want you to Finish. Hahaha.

It's just why I hesitate so much.

Agogos are great but not necessarily for Barfining.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756258]Mr York. If you are having fun with one out of two Agogo girls you are way ahead of the Game. Hahaha.

Has to be the toughest nut to crack. As soon as you get them Naked they want you to Finish. Hahaha.

It's just why I hesitate so much.

Agogos are great but not necessarily for Barfining.[/QUOTE]That is interesting. I have always maintained that my experience over the past decade of living in Thailand is very different from what I often read here. That is another example of it.

For me, go-go bars are among the best sources of good, no hurry Real Sex. Right up there with Freelancers and Regular Ladies on dating sites like ThaiFriendly and Tinder after I have had a brief video chat with them and Freelancer girls on the street.

Mind you, I am talking about girls that I approach or who approach me that I am attracted to enough to want to fuck and who will agree upfront to BBFSCIP with me. That last part probably greatly effects my results. But I will only rarely change that upfront agreement program. Covered anything is a total waste of my time and money for me and "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" produces at least an 80% chance of the session being a waste of time, money and an erection.

On getting that upfront agreement, Bangkok go-go bars and the other better sources listed above produce a success rate of about 60% for me. Granted, at go-go bars I have to pay a barfine to the bar and more to the girl afterwards than I would likely pay at many other places. But it is worth it to me.

By contrast, the sources that have produced a success rate too low to even count for getting that upfront agreement for BBFSCIP, 10 -15% tops, have been Freelancers and Regular Ladies online who I have only texted but not video chatted with, beer bars, massage shops, especially the so-called PSE Happy Ending shops like Tulip and Mango, Thermae, Beer Garden on Soi 7 and anywhere in Pattaya. That includes Pattaya's go-go bars, beer bars, Soi 6 and Beach Road.

Getting an upfront agreement for BBBJCIM is easier than for BBFSCIP almost everywhere in Bangkok. But the chance of it actually turning out that way is very low while the chance of it turning into a Hand Job with some Oral Foreplay thrown in is very high.

Again and as always, YMMV.

/ Professor Kingsfield ON.

[b]From the Reports of Distinction Thread[/b]

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756263]What I noticed. A few times he referred to a Girl as a top 5 at her place of employment before entering the Jungles of Nana Plaza where all of a sudden they became avg. Hahaha.

Anyone get that uneasy feeling he just having Sex with run of the Mill girls.

Not worthy of High Distinction.[/QUOTE]Short Comment: This is NOT a report of distinction LINK so doesn't belong in that thread.

Long Comment (for those non-ADHD affected):

In the ROD thread, subtitled [B]Links to Reports of Distinction[/B], most members know that they are for [B]LINKS[/B], NOT COMMENTS (comments are posted in the referenced thread, hence my post here). Not a written rule, but just kind of understood (especially if you take a glance at previous posts in a ROD thread, but that seems anathema to some). If you look at any country's ROD thread, you can see that they are all [U]links[/U] to [U]useful[/U] reports, even the blah-blah-blah pits of DXB and India. Nobody said they were for the hottest girls, the most beautiful girls, etc. , etc. Just useful for QUICKLY finding out the scene on the ground, pertinent LINKS, sans clutter. You see, some members complain about [I]clutter[/I].

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755514]I don't get RTFF replies. Can't imagine reading thru lots of nonsense to get maybe non pertinent info.[/QUOTE]Personally, MY [I]desirable[/I] ladies are those who have a cute face, a nice body, AND a GOOD attitude towards ME. I can easily pass over an a-lister who's not smiling, not looking at me in favor of a cutie who IS locking eyes with me with a big smile. Myself, I want to have FUN with the girl (and it IS BUSINESS for her), but still, I prefer someone who acts like a partner rather than a lump just putting in the time.

Now, out of your current 28 reports (ah, searching, so easy when you know how. Read my post), I've found 2 that are marginally useful, specific 1 line reports of the state of certain rainbow bars. But you've never written what I would consider a real FR with any one of all your NOT-run-of-the-mill girls, as in: did you pull, how much was the bar fine, how much the cost, ST / LT, what were the services provided, and even, sometimes, a name / number. What was the MP, cost, services [S]...[/S]; did the escort live up to the booking expectations, cost, etc. I UNDERSTAND that everyone has different ideas of beauty, different standards, and because a lady provides xyz services to you doesn't mean she'll provide for me. Still, when I compare your [I]FR's[/I] to [B]Newton York's[/B] (or [B]Thomas9's[/B]), I find yours, to quote, [I]Not worthy of High Distinction[/I]. The way [B]I[/B] read [B]Newton York's[/B] FR's, they didn't seem run-of-the-mill to ME (and to others who have commented on their usefulness). And even if they were run-of-the-mill, at least I know he is a player. You? Not so much, but I'll take your non-word that you actually do [I]play[/I]. Your reports containing useful info? I don't find it a problem to stick my head inside of a bar to see which is [I]crowded[/I] and which is [I]sparse[/I], but I do appreciate the direction of which I should try first.

You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but I'd suggest posting them where most would post them. But I do understand your aspiration of having a post there because I doubt that I will see any of your reports there via another's hand. You said you will be back in November on a 60 day tourist visa. Hopefully (and hope does spring eternal) you will prove me wrong. We shall see.

And who am I? Some old fuddy-duddy who's glory day FR's have been consigned to the (I say archive, you say dustbin). But, on any given trip, I've managed to post a few FR's with DETAILS. Easy to verify. Just click on my handle, though you will have to go to the 2nd page to pick up my actual trail. But as in any good serial [S]...[/S] to be continued. And in 2 months, if I haven't, feel free to call me on it.

Sometimes it's wise to follow the herd; leave the ROD thread for LINKS, not COMMENTS; leave it pristine, not cluttered.

/ Professor Kingsfield OFF.

Administration: feel free to remove if this is too argumentative.

I always find it challenging to find a good location to visit for NYE. I am from the USA And it seems like most of the ladies in the nearby spots go home for the holidays.

Thinking about Thailand as an alternative this year, maybe the day after Christmas until January 5 or so.

Does anyone have thoughts either way on this? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2756441]I always find it challenging to find a good location to visit for NYE. I am from the USA And it seems like most of the ladies in the nearby spots go home for the holidays.

Thinking about Thailand as an alternative this year, maybe the day after Christmas until January 5 or so.

Does anyone have thoughts either way on this? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The great thing about the Thais is ANY excuse for a party: Christmas, Western New Year, Chinese New Year, Thai New Year. Thais like to party. It can be disconcerting to be walking around, hearing Christmas carols in 85 degrees, 70% humidity, with palm trees. Most malls put up Christmas decorations, including trees. The attached photo was captured from the Sky Train outside of Emporium. Methinks those little kids might not be Christian, but certainly in the Christmas spirit.

Given that, a number of girls will go home for the New Year (actually a lot on the day after, not wanting to miss "Open Wallets, holiday spirits"), traffic leaving BKK a bi*tch. 3 years ago, just after Christmas, I met a real [U]stunner[/U] outside one of the Soi 23's MP's. Extremely enjoyable, great body, BEAUTIFUL face (missionary just about mandatory), great service. I told her I'd see her again, she advised that she'd be leaving in 2 days for home, back around the 10th. She was such a stunner that I was totally mesmerized. Forgot WHICH MP it was. So for a week after the 10th, a SAD sight, I'd walk Soi 23's massage strip, looking for her. Tried to ask for her, but maybe I was so dazzled, I'd garbled her name. Never saw her again. One of those, "Should have gotten her Line_ID" girls.

Point is, it was a favorable deal because she wanted to pick up as much cash as she could for the trip home; you DON'T go home empty-handed. And even though I never saw HER again, there were enough that I never went [I]thirsty[/I].

As anywhere, NYE, EVERYONE jacks up their prices, bars will throw parties. A lot of people on the street, partying. Decades ago, I once went down for the show and fireworks near the Grand Palace, before the sky train. Easy enough to GET there, took me an hour's walk to get out of the departing crowd to find an empty taxi.

Being the grouch that I am, I'm not inclined to go out in the crowds, especially around drunken louts, preferring the [I]entertainment[/I] at home. I'd GUESS that a number of ladies will be looking for the BIG score, and there might be a lot of competition. But I will say it's not the worst place to be for NYE, and even then, that's only 1 night. Certainly reason enough to visit.

Hopefully others, especially residents, can contribute more accurate info.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2756379]That is interesting. I have always maintained that my experience over the past decade of living in Thailand is very different from what I often read here. That is another example of it.

For me, go-go bars are among the best sources of good, no hurry Real Sex. Right up there with Freelancers and Regular Ladies on dating sites like ThaiFriendly and Tinder after I have had a brief video chat with them and Freelancer girls on the street.

Mind you, I am talking about girls that I approach or who approach me that I am attracted to enough to want to fuck and who will agree upfront to BBFSCIP with me. That last part probably greatly effects my results. But I will only rarely change that upfront agreement program. Covered anything is a total waste of my time and money for me and "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" produces at least an 80% chance of the session being a waste of time, money and an erection.

On getting that upfront agreement, Bangkok go-go bars and the other better sources listed above produce a success rate of about 60% for me. Granted, at go-go bars I have to pay a barfine to the bar and more to the girl afterwards than I would likely pay at many other places. But it is worth it to me.

By contrast, the sources that have produced a success rate too low to even count for getting that upfront agreement for BBFSCIP, 10 -15% tops, have been Freelancers and Regular Ladies online who I have only texted but not video chatted with, beer bars, massage shops, especially the so-called PSE Happy Ending shops like Tulip and Mango, Thermae, Beer Garden on Soi 7 and anywhere in Pattaya. That includes Pattaya's go-go bars, beer bars, Soi 6 and Beach Road.

Getting an upfront agreement for BBBJCIM is easier than for BBFSCIP almost everywhere in Bangkok. But the chance of it actually turning out that way is very low while the chance of it turning into a Hand Job with some Oral Foreplay thrown in is very high.

Again and as always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]You are not the average mongerer.

Others experiences don't aplly.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2756429]/ Professor Kingsfield ON.

[b]From the Reports of Distinction Thread[/b]

Short Comment: This is NOT a report of distinction LINK so doesn't belong in that thread.

Long Comment (for those non-ADHD affected):

In the ROD thread, subtitled [B]Links to Reports of Distinction[/B], most members know that they are for [B]LINKS[/B], NOT COMMENTS (comments are posted in the referenced thread, hence my post here). Not a written rule, but just kind of understood (especially if you take a glance at previous posts in a ROD thread, but that seems anathema to some). If you look at any country's ROD thread, you can see that they are all [U]links[/U] to [U]useful[/U] reports, even the blah-blah-blah pits of DXB and India. Nobody said they were for the hottest girls, the most beautiful girls, etc. , etc. Just useful for QUICKLY finding out the scene on the ground, pertinent LINKS, sans clutter. You see, some members complain about [I]clutter[/I].

Personally, MY [I]desirable[/I] ladies are those who have a cute face, a nice body, AND a GOOD attitude towards ME. I can easily pass over an a-lister who's not smiling, not looking at me in favor of a cutie who IS locking eyes with me with a big smile. Myself, I want to have FUN with the girl (and it IS BUSINESS for her), but still, I prefer someone who acts like a partner rather than a lump just putting in the time.

Now, out of your current 28 reports (ah, searching, so easy when you know how. Read my post), I've found 2 that are marginally useful, specific 1 line reports of the state of certain rainbow bars. But you've never written what I would consider a real FR with any one of all your NOT-run-of-the-mill girls, as in: did you pull, how much was the bar fine, how much the cost, ST / LT, what were the services provided, and even, sometimes, a name / number. What was the MP, cost, services [S]...[/S]; did the escort live up to the booking expectations, cost, etc. I UNDERSTAND that everyone has different ideas of beauty, different standards, and because a lady provides xyz services to you doesn't mean she'll provide for me. Still, when I compare your [I]FR's[/I] to [B]Newton York's[/B] (or [B]Thomas9's[/B]), I find yours, to quote, [I]Not worthy of High Distinction[/I]. The way [B]I[/B] read [B]Newton York's[/B] FR's, they didn't seem run-of-the-mill to ME (and to others who have commented on their usefulness). And even if they were run-of-the-mill, at least I know he is a player. You? Not so much, but I'll take your non-word that you actually do [I]play[/I]. Your reports containing useful info? I don't find it a problem to stick my head inside of a bar to see which is [I]crowded[/I] and which is [I]sparse[/I], but I do appreciate the direction of which I should try first.

You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but I'd suggest posting them where most would post them. But I do understand your aspiration of having a post there because I doubt that I will see any of your reports there via another's hand. You said you will be back in November on a 60 day tourist visa. Hopefully (and hope does spring eternal) you will prove me wrong. We shall see.

And who am I? Some old fuddy-duddy who's glory day FR's have been consigned to the (I say archive, you say dustbin). But, on any given trip, I've managed to post a few FR's with DETAILS. Easy to verify. Just click on my handle, though you will have to go to the 2nd page to pick up my actual trail. But as in any good serial [S]...[/S] to be continued. And in 2 months, if I haven't, feel free to call me on it.

Sometimes it's wise to follow the herd; leave the ROD thread for LINKS, not COMMENTS; leave it pristine, not cluttered.

/ Professor Kingsfield OFF.

Administration: feel free to remove if this is too argumentative.[/QUOTE]I like Heated exchanges.

To me his report was Pure cringe.

I know you guys like reading about Men and their sex in detail.

I pass.

I catch other things.

Ex. Thaniya Road is not Booming as indicated. Girls many good looking but no customers. If you look real closely it's just Thais milling about trying to hook the few Japanese around the area.

Somewhere in the long report the writer says most of the Girls were distant like, which is almost always the case in first session.

Nothing Distinction about that. If they all fell head over heels after 10 seconds, that would be Distinction worthy.

One instance he said it got more GFE. But then he say the girl was on her phone more and more. What. That is worthy of Distinction.

Here's a good one.

Per Sticky. Billboards 7th anniversary birthday bash.

3 paegaent winners out of 100 entrants. He has all in a Photo.

2 out of the three could arguably be considered under a 5 on the Famous Beauty scale.

Is this what is considered Beauty now?

Explains why very few Koreans and Japanese will be found inside. Hahaha.

I saw lots of Medium men from the east and the other sub continent on my one visit in June.

[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2756441]I always find it challenging to find a good location to visit for NYE. I am from the USA And it seems like most of the ladies in the nearby spots go home for the holidays.

Thinking about Thailand as an alternative this year, maybe the day after Christmas until January 5 or so.

Does anyone have thoughts either way on this? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I did it last year, I was required to take AL at this time and was not going to hang about at home for two weeks. It was a great time to visit even if so much was closed down due to Covid. I spent a week in Bangkok and a week in Pattaya, this time I am going to spend two weeks in Pattaya.

I arrived in Bangkok on Dec. 31,2018. It was one of the best evenings of my life. Almost every small bar off Soi 4 (Nana area) had some kind of New Year's eve party. There was delicious free food, party atmosphere. I am thinking of going there again this New Year's eve.

Funman13.

Toppers,

Can you provide more information about the Bar opposite Chrome Bar? What is the name of the bar? Is it exactly opposite Chrome? Mimi sounds like my kind of girl. Thanks.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=Toppers;2755334]Hi all,

I thought this might be interesting for a read.

Day2: Time 10 pm. I wanted to try the Chrome Bar for a nuru massage. I was about to enter and a mamasan asked me to select a girl from the opposite Bar. A selection of girls were provide about 7-8 of which I selected a girl named Mimi. 1500 baht paid she took me 2 floor up for a nuru massage. Boy she was hot and chatty. She kind of proposed the list of things we could do and led the way. Quickly we went to the shower and then we laid in a plastic bed where she started the body rub. Amazing body and excellent BBJ which was one of the highlights. She asked if I wanted rimming I said ok, then she asked if I liked squirting I said yes and she did everything no complaints. Absolute GFE. Then we shifted to the bed, continued with the amazing BBJ and then the deed. She asked if I wanted CIM I said yes and went ahead. For me, it was one of the best sessions with this amazing girl. I wanted to tip her 500 baht but I only had 1000 baht notes and she said next time. For 1500 baht, it was an absolute blast. She gave me her number and I have her picture too. I don't know if I allowed to post. If you say I will.

WIR: Yes.

I will post more when I have time.

Thanks,

Toppers.[/QUOTE]

Report for the ages.

Day 1 -19. Have Eye Stye. Go Agogos.

Day 20. Get rejected for a Barfine at an Agogo.

Day 21-28. Go Agogos.

Would I Repeat? Got my tourist Visa Locked and Loaded.

The couple of New Years I spent in BKK were good and I'll be back after a good 20 years. As I furiously research my trip, I'm realizing that not much has changed (swapped CM2 at Novotel Siam Square for today's hotspot, massage and gogo scene unchanged, Thermae and Biergarten (sp?) still going strong, Grace Hotel still seems to attract "Russians" (I've mongered in Russia and know they're not), and overall a barrel of monkeys.

Got to give props for the wealth of information I've found RTFF'ing at ISG and I will share my experiences. Some kind soul had posted a link from a Japanese blogger which I found to be a rich vein of incredibly good information.

The days when girls would just say "what you wish" when you talked about money seem to be long gone and I do not think that I'll get "wifed up" like I used to for 4-week like I used to (She came to see me off and I ended up cancelling and rescheduling because of her genuine tears. Them were the days!

[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2756441]I always find it challenging to find a good location to visit for NYE. I am from the USA And it seems like most of the ladies in the nearby spots go home for the holidays.

Thinking about Thailand as an alternative this year, maybe the day after Christmas until January 5 or so.

Does anyone have thoughts either way on this? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stykler;2756399]What I noticed after reviewing your posts and Mr Newton's posts, was that in only one post Mr Newton provided more insite and information to the forum than you have in your 20+ posts. PLUS Mr Newton has taken the time to buy a subscription.

I know who deserves a High Distinction more.[/QUOTE]I think you need to be more specific. Just one [B]PARAGRAPH[/B] from [B]Newton York[/B] contained more usable intel than all of Alexa's posts combined. The only good thing about his posts are their brevity; like a broken pencil, short and no point. Even a newbie like [B]Toppers[/B] first FR had more usable intel, so it can be done.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756712]Day 1 -19. Have Eye Stye. Go Agogos.
Day 20. Get rejected for a Barfine at an Agogo.[/QUOTE]That Karma is a bi*tch. Methinks it wasn't the stye that caused your problems, it was what was attached to it. And those bg's [S]...[/S]their radar is top-notch, easily able to distinguish a true target from clutter.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756712]Day 21-28. Go Agogos.[/QUOTE]Those Lookie-lous sure clutter up a lot of places, bars and forums. While a description of the deed is entertaining, not really a requirement for an FR (I know what happens, well, at least in MY room). But good intel is, such things for a bar: cost of a Singha (you do buy a drink?), cost of a lady drink (there must be some reason they talk to you), bar fine (of course, to know that, you actually have to pay one), asking price / accepted price (again, have to get one to say yes), ST / LT, definition of ST; only ST accepted (well, with you, that answer is probably skewed), definition of LT (morning, or until you fall asleep), services offered (CBJ, BBBJ, CIM, FS).

You see, there's street CRED and street CRUD. Here, you establish your cred, and that's done, as many others have done, by putting in the TIME, the money, the EFFORT, THEN go the extra mile and write an informative FR, to pass along that knowledge to others. Then there's crud which is somebody talking just to hear their own voice. But hey, it's a FREE forum, you don't even have to be a member to read. To post, all it takes is an e-mail address. Thankfully, there are those that contribute value rather than just piggyback on the free access to hear their own voice.

[QUOTE=Alex Alexa;2756467]I like Heated exchanges.

To me his report was Pure cringe.[/QUOTE]And yours PURE crud. Based on your FR's, I don't think you've ever had a [i]heated exchange[/i] of any [i]substance[/i] (pun intended) here.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756712]Got my tourist Visa [/QUOTE]60 days? Why bother when a visa on arrival has been upped from 30 to 45 days? I mean, if you can't get it done in 45 days, an extra 15 won't help.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756712]Locked and Loaded.[/QUOTE]Locked and loaded? More like half-cocked.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2756810]I think you need to be more specific. Just one [B]PARAGRAPH[/B] from [B]Newton York[/B] contained more usable intel than all of Alexa's posts combined. The only good thing about his posts are their brevity; like a broken pencil, short and no point. Even a newbie like [B]Toppers[/B] first FR had more usable intel, so it can be done.

That Karma is a bi*tch. Methinks it wasn't the stye that caused your problems, it was what was attached to it. And those bg's [S]...[/S]their radar is top-notch, easily able to distinguish a true target from clutter.

Those Lookie-lous sure clutter up a lot of places, bars and forums. While a description of the deed is entertaining, not really a requirement for an FR (I know what happens, well, at least in MY room). But good intel is, such things for a bar: cost of a Singha (you do buy a drink?), cost of a lady drink (there must be some reason they talk to you), bar fine (of course, to know that, you actually have to pay one), asking price / accepted price (again, have to get one to say yes), ST / LT, definition of ST; only ST accepted (well, with you, that answer is probably skewed), definition of LT (morning, or until you fall asleep), services offered (CBJ, BBBJ, CIM, FS).

You see, there's street CRED and street CRUD. Here, you establish your cred, and that's done, as many others have done, by putting in the TIME, the money, the EFFORT, THEN go the extra mile and write an informative FR, to pass along that knowledge to others. Then there's crud which is somebody talking just to hear their own voice. But hey, it's a FREE forum, you don't even have to be a member to read. To post, all it takes is an e-mail address. Thankfully, there are those that contribute value rather than just piggyback on the free access to hear their own voice.

60 days? Why bother when a visa on arrival has been upped from 30 to 45 days? I mean, if you can't get it done in 45 days, an extra 15 won't help.

Locked and loaded? More like half-cocked.[/QUOTE]60 day visa vs 45 plus extension to get you to 60 days.

One requires a Pain in the Butt trip to immigration to get the 60 days. Guess which one. No thank you.

The other one 30 minutes on a computer. This also doesn't require playing around with airline tickets.

Please don't argue when you are incorrecto.

You do know that out of every 100 customers that walk into in a Bar 85% are NOT Barfining. Possibly less, this is an eye ball judgement.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2756218]That's only "military time" in the US. In all of Europe and most of Asia it's the normal way we write down the time.

Also: Seriously good report. I just spent 45 minutes reading everything you wrote, taking many notes for my upcoming 3 weeks in BKK.[/QUOTE]Thanks Farcondee, glad my reports helped. I hope Bangkok changes your life like it did mine. With what I experienced, I find it harder and harder to justify to myself a Europe mongering trip anymore. For all the reasons I've stated in my reports, Bangkok seems to have it all.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2756241]Mr. As other have posted previously, your reports were just off the scale amazing. The detail, info, the humour, etc. Loved it all.

I had the good fortune of reading most of them when I was actually in BKK. I therefore sometimes followed your track so that some of the places you went to one day I visited the next!

I suspect we are similar in age. You say you are old but if you are nutting 2 or 3 times a day you ain't that old. I think once we get past 50 we think we are old but in this modern day that's not too old.

I've cherry picked some of your comments from the reports above for specific reasons.

I agree with an awful lot of what you say but not all.

Most of all I loved your comment about how on the ground the difference between 200 and 500 baht becomes significant whereas in your own country you wouldn't bat an eyelid about it. I cannot agree more. On my recent visits to Pattaya and BKK I resolved NOT to do this this time. I have fallen victim to it before when I have stupidly turned down great options because 1500 baht sounded expensive. Notwithstanding that in my own territory (Europe) that would be about 70 euros! 70 euros is entry only into most FKKs! That's not getting your dick wet or dry. Its getting it through the door! This trip I did not succumb to this false economy nonsense. Oh I know locals will say "you two week millionaires kill it for us locals" but I don't buy that. The girls know very well the difference between the guys who live locally / are regulars, and the two week tourist. They know they cannot hope to snare a regular with prices they managed to persuade us tourists to part with. I had one amazing day in a gentleman's club in Pattaya, knowing I was leaving the next day (and with some sadness but not on your scale) so decided to fill my boots and took one girl after another, with some breaks for food, drinks, pool, talking but mainly a long string of ladies including a couple of threesomes before ending the night in the room partying with 4 girls! If you are nutting 3 times per day hats off to you. That's simply impossible for me. On a good day I might get the second one out! But like you, you learn to adapt, and enjoy the ride. So a great tip for other tourists. Don't start moaning about a girl quoting you 1200 baht when you've read on ISG that the price is 1000 baht. If you like her just do it! The 200 isn't worth the hassle!

I know what you mean about Thermae but I just couldn't resist going in frequently and selected several girls. Their negotiation skills are poor. This is due to being in the herd of girls and wanting a catch, and if you go in wearing expensive clothes and smelling good, they almost smirk at the other girls when you chose them. Long time since I was considered "the prize"! I had a lot of fun with a tiny little girl with short black hair called Noy from Thermae.

The oillies are also my favourites. I love the soapies in Pattaya and lament the closing of Annies which I also loved, but there are great options at the oilies and very reasonably priced. For me, Huai Kwang was good. I loved the whole look and feel of those big brash places and again, I didn't care that they were more costly than the oilies because in comparison with sterling and euros, and the cost of good sex in Europe / UK / Dubai / Singapore, this was still incredibly cheap. My personal favourite being La Belle. Some excellent choices. Only place I felt I was being ripped of in was The Pimp club. Only went once. Flash, impressive, great line up, but you are required to take 2 girls minimum to a room (first hour 2000 and each hour 1000 after), and buy a bottle (starts at 4000 even for wine! I knew before I went there that it was unlikely to cost me less than 15000 for the night. Ok its a lot especially in Thailand, but its less than I've spent for a night in Manchester, Berlin, Frankfurt, Madrid, Malaga, London etc for a great time. I did have a great time but felt it was pressured and sharky and the journey there from central BKK (I stupidly went on a bike) was crazy. But still a great experience.

Your approach to this trip, the exercise, walking, stealth, economics, appreciation of the touristy elements and sympathy for the stories (even if a little heavy sometimes) resonated so much with me. The members of the BKK forum should be forever in your debt. Fabulous reports Sir.[/QUOTE]Thank you PayForIt, glad to know my reports are helping a bit. I know I'm not great with brevity, but I really wanted to add more color and texture to the whole thing, more anecdotal, more of my thought process, but also more about the girls themselves. Some of them live such harsh lives, and more than any other place in the world that I've hobbied, here in Bangkok, I've come to really respect them and to be able to see them as the truly amazing women some of them are. With what they have to go through in life, and still be able to service us with a smile, I give them a lot of credit. I've said this before, I'll say it again, people will say whatever they want about Asians, but their work ethic is just nothing short of amazing. Puts us in the west to shame. *.

And yes! I totally concur about just another 1000 baht not*making a big difference. For me, I would sometimes take the jacuzzi upgrade cause why not right? It's like an extra 10 bucks or less. That's right man, we seem to always fall into the trap of nickel and diming ourselves everytime*we travel, but this time around I let myself go. I tried to remind myself that if I was going to act like a bean counter on my sex trip, I shouldn't make the trip at all. *.

That's right man, 70 bucks won't even get me into FKK Mainhattan these days, but with that same 70 bucks, I can get a pretty decent time with a girl from an oily. It is pretty funny how sometimes a few hundred baht sounds like a lot, but it won't even get me a lapdance here in the sexual wasteland that's the US northeast. Man, don't even get me started on how*cheap yet awesome the food is in Bangkok. I wanted to eat myself to death it was so awesome. Hell, I can't even get a decent sandwich for 500 baht here in NY, but for that price I can get almost a feast in Bangkok. *.

I'm glad you brought up The Pimp. In my research prior to my trip, I was awfully curious about the place but finding any reviews on it was tough. Their website is very detailed and the girls look amazing but thanks to your report, I'm glad I skipped it. *.

Hi guys, flying to BK tonight for 1 week.

I read in the forum few things:

- for oil massage happy bkk massage is great but I am afraid they use lady boy. Haru seems to get a lot of good reviews but I also read she just left. If anyone have her contact to share or where we can find her now it will be much appreciated.

-For Nuru, read that Doki Doki and Kokoro are the must go. Any girls specifically you recommend? Or any other better places?

-for freelancers, thermae seems to be a reference but is the freelancers are ready to walk 10 minutes to hotels or too far? Please is there lot of chance to find 8+ looking girls there?

Thanks for your advance!

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2756869]Some of them live such harsh lives, and more than any other place in the world that I've hobbied, here in Bangkok, I've come to really respect them and to be able to see them as the truly amazing women some of them are. With what they have to go through in life, and still be able to service us with a smile, I give them a lot of credit. I've said this before, I'll say it again, people will say whatever they want about Asians, but their work ethic is just nothing short of amazing. Puts us in the west to shame. *.[/QUOTE]One thing, just because a Thai is smiling at you doesn't mean he's happy with you. Has to do with not losing face. But I will say that given such a tough life, they still maintain their all important "Good Heart".

But, and there is a but, consider if they had (which during Covid, some did) to travel to a foreign country where prostitution is illegal, the police are NOT your friend, and there are NO fellow countrymen all around you to help you out. Thai girl gets in trouble here, she starts screaming, and any number of Thais are going go help their SISTER with a foreigner. But I refer to the UAE and DXB. When I was there, I was heavily into the PRC's, and how they could retain their good nature is beyond me. Get mugged, tough. Burglary of your flat, tough. Here, if a guy doesn't pay, he might have to pay in another way. There, tough. Better learn English or Arabic, better English. But I knew a lot who were still cheerful (though some, not so much). It is a tough life, but that filial duty.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756812]60 day visa vs 45 plus extension to get you to 60 days.

One requires a Pain in the Butt trip to immigration to get the 60 days. Guess which one. No thank you.

The other one 30 minutes on a computer. This also doesn't require playing around with airline tickets.

Please don't argue when you are incorrecto.

You do know that out of every 100 customers that walk into in a Bar 85% are NOT Barfining. Possibly less, this is an eye ball judgement.[/QUOTE]What's so magic about 60 (exception noted below)? SO, not incorrect: my point IS: it's what you DO in your days here that counts. If you can't get a hit in 45 days, another 15 days isn't going to change your [I]batting[/I] average all that much.

Besides, I have a tourist visa from the consulate, the 45 days announced after I'd applied. Took two calendar weeks to approve (but there were a couple of holidays in there). Not like the in-and-out same day approval walk-in precovid. And I thought some of the requirements here a bit bothersome (and stupid), as in paid accommodation reservations for the FULL stay, along with incoming and outgoing plane tickets. But, not THAT big a problem. But I won't be using the full 60, not even close. That Aussie visa? That's all of 10 minutes, including approval.

And it certainly depends on your interests. I really DON'T see the attraction of flying long to sit in a bar, night after night, gawking at girls, trying to score. Or walking down Thaniya Road gawking at girls trying to strike up a conversation. I know, I know, she's really NOT that attractive, that one is run-of-the-mill; we call it sour grapes. 28 days agogos? Your eyeballs must get tired from overuse, but methinks that's the only 'balls being used. And no, I have no idea of pull percentages [S]...[/S]I only care about MY batting average.

Myself, I want IN the game, not riding the pine. And after 9 innings, couple of weeks, then travel. Lot to see and do in this part of the world. Out to DMK, and had the pleasure of visiting Myanmar several times (glad I went, have some good friends there, CRIME what's happening now). Cambodia. Angkor Wat a MUST see, and in Phnom Penh there is some action along with the sights. Laos, Luang Prabang a world heritage site, and of course Vientiane. And of course KL, though it seems the Beach Club (an Asian smorgasbord) is no more. Point is, more to life, at least for some, than spending weeks in a bar. Just easier to fly, hike, and return. After almost 30 years coming to Thailand, yea, it's been that long, surprised the hell out of me when I thought about it, because it doesn't seem that long, I've been to a [I]few[/I] bars, [I]some[/I] MPs, a couple of clubs, a bit on the street. Different pitchers, but the game's the same.

Now China, I do take my 60 days, but then again, China's a BIG country with a lot of culture and heritage. Must be why they give you a 10 year multiple entry visa, well pre-covid anyway. Glad I went as often as I did.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756812]60 day visa vs 45 plus extension to get you to 60 days.

One requires a Pain in the Butt trip to immigration to get the 60 days. Guess which one. No thank you.

The other one 30 minutes on a computer. This also doesn't require playing around with airline [/QUOTE]IMHO, there is validity to what you say in this particular post. It is much easier to get the 60-day Thai E Visa than to get the 45-day passport entry plus extension. But, I'm raising the BS flag on that being only 30 minutes on the computer, I've done it twice and would estimate it will take me 1.5 hours when I do it a third time. There are quite a few files that need to be gathered and submitted in proper form, that takes time. Heck, it took me 30 minutes to get a selfie that the automatic photo review accepted. My guess is a first time E-Visa will need more than 1.5 hours to complete the application.

Regarding not playing around with airline, that is a false statement. You must submit your arrival airline paperwork and planned date of departure.

My first E-visa required 6 days to process. The second required 12 days. If I recall, the price was $40 US.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2756914]What's so magic about 60 (exception noted below)? SO, not incorrect: my point IS: it's what you DO in your days here that counts. If you can't get a hit in 45 days, another 15 days isn't going to change your [I]batting[/I] average all that much.

Besides, I have a tourist visa from the consulate, the 45 days announced after I'd applied. Took two calendar weeks to approve (but there were a couple of holidays in there). Not like the in-and-out same day approval walk-in precovid. And I thought some of the requirements here a bit bothersome (and stupid), as in paid accommodation reservations for the FULL stay, along with incoming and outgoing plane tickets. But, not THAT big a problem. But I won't be using the full 60, not even close. That Aussie visa? That's all of 10 minutes, including approval.

And it certainly depends on your interests. I really DON'T see the attraction of flying long to sit in a bar, night after night, gawking at girls, trying to score. Or walking down Thaniya Road gawking at girls trying to strike up a conversation. I know, I know, she's really NOT that attractive, that one is run-of-the-mill; we call it sour grapes. 28 days agogos? Your eyeballs must get tired from overuse, but methinks that's the only 'balls being used. And no, I have no idea of pull percentages [S]...[/S]I only care about MY batting average.[/QUOTE]I'm not you bro. Hahaha. I want 60 days. On my next trip I'll get another tourist visa and get extension, so I'll have to go to immigration to get total of 90 days.

I just like being in Bangkok. I'm not into Quantity. I've had providers where I've had way over 30 sessions, and not in 30 days.

For me it's way more Fun when the chemistry is there.

Thai and work ethics? I thought the meme was Thai in general are lazy. Haha. Corruption does that.

Bum Hospital does run efficient so there are always exceptions.

[QUOTE=Shockman;2756775]The couple of New Years I spent in BKK were good and I'll be back after a good 20 years. As I furiously research my trip, I'm realizing that not much has changed (swapped CM2 at Novotel Siam Square for today's hotspot, massage and gogo scene unchanged, Thermae and Biergarten (sp?) still going strong, Grace Hotel still seems to attract "Russians" (I've mongered in Russia and know they're not), and overall a barrel of monkeys.

Got to give props for the wealth of information I've found RTFF'ing at ISG and I will share my experiences. Some kind soul had posted a link from a Japanese blogger which I found to be a rich vein of incredibly good information.

The days when girls would just say "what you wish" when you talked about money seem to be long gone and I do not think that I'll get "wifed up" like I used to for 4-week like I used to (She came to see me off and I ended up cancelling and rescheduling because of her genuine tears. Them were the days![/QUOTE]One of my fondest Thai sayings, "Same, same, but different". Unfortunately some things are not replaceable: the previous Thermae, 2 rooms as I recall, one with low ceiling, after 1:00, a Star Wars bar come to life. The current one rather pristine in comparison. Annies, the soapy, closed; hope Aey is doing well. I'll have to see about the Biergarten. Used to be a [I]good[/I] place, but then became a bit [I]sparse[/I] last time I was there, 2019. Back then, Soi Cowboy more fun than Nana. Yes, those LT preferred days long gone, quite a bit more mercenary as I've heard. You probably remember the BST, before sky train; now it's BTS and saying sky train denotes your age. And there's a Metro. Typical TIT (you do remember Trink), tickets on one DON'T work on the other at least in 2019. I'd get the Rabbit card for BTS, the Metro card for the Metro. Beats having to have the change or standing in line to get some coins. Charge them up, work them off. Nicely, if they go to a new card, they read the old card and transfer the balance, thank you very much when you come back. Taxi's are all metered now. Bring a lunch for Suvarnabhumi Airport. It's linear, and you can walk a good. 75 clicks there. Further from town. I preferred Don Mueang, more "compact" and close. But it's still Thailand [S]...[/S].

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2756914]
And I thought some of the requirements here a bit bothersome (and stupid), as in paid accommodation reservations for the FULL stay, along with incoming and outgoing plane tickets. But, not THAT big a problem. But I won't be using the full 60, not even close.
[/QUOTE]Months ago the accommodations had to be paid through the 2nd COVID test, I think that was just 5 days. Now it is just proof of accommodations, not specific for duration. I submitted my first hotel, which was a 4-day reservation that will be paid on my arrival. When I did my second Visa application, they only requested airline arrival information and expected departure date. No specific departure data required.

Still requires sign the declaration, passport photo, photo holding passport, selfie, proof of funds, and proof of residency. Maybe some other stuff that I can't remember at the moment. It does take some time to gather and submit.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2756916]IMHO, there is validity to what you say in this particular post. It is much easier to get the 60-day Thai E Visa than to get the 45-day passport entry plus extension. But, I'm raising the BS flag on that being only 30 minutes on the computer, I've done it twice and would estimate it will take me 1.5 hours when I do it a third time. There are quite a few files that need to be gathered and submitted in proper form, that takes time. Heck, it took me 30 minutes to get a selfie that the automatic photo review accepted. My guess is a first time E-Visa will need more than 1.5 hours to complete the application.

Regarding not playing around with airline, that is a false statement. You must submit your arrival airline paperwork and planned date of departure.

My first E-visa required 6 days to process. The second required 12 days. If I recall, the price was $40 US.[/QUOTE]When I mean no airline games I mean at check in.

To get Visa airline reservation is required. Just buy a ticket on Expedia, get confirmation then cancel. Not hard.

Same with Hostel reservation. Buy on Expedia 30 days for $150 hahaha. They even have option to pay when check in so no transaction on credit card at all. Cancel once you have confirm. Not hard.

When I say 30 minutes that's assuming you have all your Ducks lined up.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2756916]IMHO, there is validity to what you say in this particular post. It is much easier to get the 60-day Thai E Visa than to get the 45-day passport entry plus extension. But, I'm raising the BS flag on that being only 30 minutes on the computer, I've done it twice and would estimate it will take me 1.5 hours when I do it a third time. There are quite a few files that need to be gathered and submitted in proper form, that takes time. Heck, it took me 30 minutes to get a selfie that the automatic photo review accepted. My guess is a first time E-Visa will need more than 1.5 hours to complete the application.

Regarding not playing around with airline, that is a false statement. You must submit your arrival airline paperwork and planned date of departure.

My first E-visa required 6 days to process. The second required 12 days. If I recall, the price was $40 US.[/QUOTE]Consulate website said 15 [b]business[/b] days to process, no expedited method. Like I posted, mine came faster, but you never know. Requirement for hotel reservations for full time between arrival and departure (and I confirmed that via e-mail with the consulate, as in I asked if I was going to travel around but not certain where, response was fine, full itinerary first, then apply; TIT), or, get an invitation letter. And yes, the photo that was good enough to use for my PASSPORT was rejected several times as not having an acceptable complexion (think their software needs some tweaking, or it could be my blinding [I]brilliance[/I]). Luckily, the photo of me holding my passport passed the first time.

My point, if you don't need the extra 15 days, go for on-arrival. And mine is a single entry, so personally, if I was staying longer, I'd take the [I]opportunity[/I] to pop over to another country, tool around there for awhile, then come back. Then you're talking 90 (though I'll admit I don't know if there is any [I]gap[/I] requirement between 2 consecutive visits). Confirm $40 USD. Proof of residence and proof of residence within consulate's service area (2 different uploads).

PS: Lesson learned the hard way: if your return ticket has a date past the visa expiration date, the incoming airline doesn't let you on the plane UNLESS you have a CONFIRMED reservation out to that [i]intermediate[/i] country. They want to see a departure ticket within the visa limit.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756812]60 day visa vs 45 plus extension to get you to 60 days.
One requires a Pain in the Butt trip to immigration to get the 60 days. Guess which one. No thank you.
The other one 30 minutes on a computer. This also doesn't require playing around with airline tickets.
[/QUOTE]Agree. I'm planning to be in the kingdom 58 days, easier to get a 60-day tourist visa online before leaving for $40. No wasted time at immigration.

I used lo love staying around Nana but switched to soi cowboy before settling for a good long while at Giotto's place on Soi 33, the livingstone lodge. Loved the man and his place.

Thanks for the intel on the transport. Years of gazing at the unfinished airport line, I see, have borne fruit. It is now a no-brainer for me to take to my hotel neat Asoke and yes, all my planning centers around the whole metro system. Never dealt with cards before but will do so now.

Can not wait.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2756920]One of my fondest Thai sayings, "Same, same, but different". Unfortunately some things are not replaceable: the previous Thermae, 2 rooms as I recall, one with low ceiling, after 1:00, a Star Wars bar come to life. The current one rather pristine in comparison. Annies, the soapy, closed; hope Aey is doing well. I'll have to see about the Biergarten. Used to be a [I]good[/I] place, but then became a bit [I]sparse[/I] last time I was there, 2019. Back then, Soi Cowboy more fun than Nana. Yes, those LT preferred days long gone, quite a bit more mercenary as I've heard. You probably remember the BST, before sky train; now it's BTS and saying sky train denotes your age. And there's a Metro. Typical TIT (you do remember Trink), tickets on one DON'T work on the other at least in 2019. I'd get the Rabbit card for BTS, the Metro card for the Metro. Beats having to have the change or standing in line to get some coins. Charge them up, work them off. Nicely, if they go to a new card, they read the old card and transfer the balance, thank you very much when you come back. Taxi's are all metered now. Bring a lunch for Suvarnabhumi Airport. It's linear, and you can walk a good. 75 clicks there. Further from town. I preferred Don Mueang, more "compact" and close. But it's still Thailand [S]...[/S].[/QUOTE]

So on Friday I was walking to Nana after coming from Chrome Bar around 9 PM and I was crossing Sukhumvit towards the plaza until I saw 2 Arab or most likely EE girls provocatively dresses walking back the way I came. They were both gorgeous and both had amazing asses. I turned around a followed them and they entered this elevator entrance with 3 Arab dudes by the entrance. Didn't go and follow them since I'm sure they would stop me. I tried going into the elevator on Saturday afternoon but the elevator wasn't working. But I saw it later in the evening working and 2 of the same Arab guys by the entrance. It's across the street from Nana Square and you can't miss the gold tint of the entrance. Could be something or could be nothing, if a seasoned fellow would like to give it try be my guest.

Thai Industrious. Or not. POLL.

With govt encouraging use of Marijuana. That what legalization means.

Will Thais.

1. Become more industrious and do things like never before.

2. No Change.

3. Potatoes chips sales will go way up and so will television viewership. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756923]When I mean no airline games I mean at check in.

To get Visa airline reservation is required. Just buy a ticket on Expedia, get confirmation then cancel. Not hard.

Same with Hostel reservation. Buy on Expedia 30 days for $150 hahaha. They even have option to pay when check in so no transaction on credit card at all. Cancel once you have confirm. Not hard.

When I say 30 minutes that's assuming you have all your Ducks lined up.[/QUOTE]We do agree on something hahaha.

That's why the requirements are so ridiculous, so easy to spoof. Just look for the no-fee-on-cancellation bookings for hotel and of course you will be staying 60 days in that 8 bed male room. For airlines? What, you will buy a visa and NOT go? They get $40 either way. And why worry about outbound? Airline check-in for your arrival flight checks onward ticket before allowing you to board. And 15 [B]business days[/B] processing? What, they have to check with Thailand itself, especially when, pre-covid, they could provide the 60 day visa same day, no extra fee. Walk in by 10:00 with paperwork, come back at 14:00 to pickup. Yes, you did have to supply 2 hardcopy photos. I don't remember having to supply any airline info, but could be wrong since it was such a slam-dunk to get the visa.

If Thailand wants to encourage tourism, which seems they do, thus the change to 45 from 30 on-arrival, they should invest in a mobile app like Australia. Australian ETA. Talk about easy. In the app, take a picture of your passport. Photo accepted. Use your phone's reader to read the digital info from the passport. Accepted. Take a selfie, guidance provided in the app (too high, too low, too far). Accepted. Answer a few questions in the app. Enter credit card info, about $12 USD. 5 minute process, within MINUTES accepted and you now have a [B]1 year, multiple entry visa, each visit 90 days[/B]. No hotel reservation requirement, no airline ticket requirement. No legal resident / resident within consulate's service area requirements. Now THAT encourages tourism.

And when China was open, first time visa, 1 year, multiple entries, 60 day stays. Next time you apply, 10 year, multiple entries, 60 day stays. Same price. Was $140USD. Again, that encourages tourism.

And I certainly remember, when departing Thailand, the immigration officer doing a quick calculation for overstaying. And I do remember seeing some passengers being directed to [i]that office[/i] to sort things out, pay the fines. If you want to encourage tourism, and over the past 2 years, it's been extremely hard for those in that industry to survive - no govt help, I'd say, it should be "Come on down[s]...[/s]"

But hey, not my country.

[QUOTE=Shockman;2756956]I used lo love staying around Nana but switched to soi cowboy before settling for a good long while at Giotto's place on Soi 33, the livingstone lodge. Loved the man and his place.

Thanks for the intel on the transport. Years of gazing at the unfinished airport line, I see, have borne fruit. It is now a no-brainer for me to take to my hotel neat Asoke and yes, all my planning centers around the whole metro system. Never dealt with cards before but will do so now.

Can not wait.[/QUOTE]Check the hours, google says they run from 5:30 to 00:00

[url]https://bangkokairporttrain.com/timetable/[/url]

And of course you HAVE to take at least one e-ticket ride: motorbike taxi, just keep those knees tucked in.

So landed in Bangkok on Thursday night and was running on fumes after being up and traveling for pretty much 24 hours. I convert some money at the super rich all the way down on the bottom level which sucked for me. Headed out to grab a taxi and I had already read MaxBkk report #51725 about the taxi but me being too tired agreed to 500 Baht. It wasn't until I saw red analog numbers of the meter being hidden behind a small towel did I realize my folly. Got to my hotel and took a nice shower and ate my club sandwich that I ordered. Downed a Red Bull then walked to Nana Plaza which was 10 minutes away and just checked out the mentioned spots. I sat in most of the Rainbow bars and saw some girls I liked. But wasn't too sure if 3000 Baht for ST was reasonable so I left. Headed to Soi Cowboy and went to Chrome Bar as previously mentioned here. As Toppers report #52220 mentioned I went across to another bar to pick a girl and then back to Chrome. Rates are 1500 Baht for an hour and got a nice nuru from a lady named Som but unfortunately couldn't cum as I was way to tired. Headed back to Nana and back into Rainbow 4 and tried to see if one of the girls I liked was still there but no dice. Headed back to the hotel and passed out. Day 2 & 3 will be up later.

Arrive in BKK tomorrow. Been to Thailand many times but never visited Thermae.

According to the maps it is on the main road near Soi 15 at Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel. But is it part of the hotel, next door, or nearby?

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757067]So landed in Bangkok on Thursday night and was running on fumes after being up and traveling for pretty much 24 hours. I convert some money at the super rich all the way down on the bottom level which sucked for me. Headed out to grab a taxi and I had already read MaxBkk report #51725 about the taxi but me being too tired agreed to 500 Baht. It wasn't until I saw red analog numbers of the meter being hidden behind a small towel did I realize my folly. Got to my hotel and took a nice shower and ate my club sandwich that I ordered. Downed a Red Bull then walked to Nana Plaza which was 10 minutes away and just checked out the mentioned spots. I sat in most of the Rainbow bars and saw some girls I liked. But wasn't too sure if 3000 Baht for ST was reasonable so I left. Headed to Soi Cowboy and went to Chrome Bar as previously mentioned here. As Toppers report #52220 mentioned I went across to another bar to pick a girl and then back to Chrome. Rates are 1500 Baht for an hour and got a nice nuru from a lady named Som but unfortunately couldn't cum as I was way to tired. Headed back to Nana and back into Rainbow 4 and tried to see if one of the girls I liked was still there but no dice. Headed back to the hotel and passed out. Day 2 & 3 will be up later.[/QUOTE]Alright a Rainbow 4 fan. Can't wait for more reports.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757067]So landed in Bangkok on Thursday night and was running on fumes after being up and traveling for pretty much 24 hours. I convert some money at the super rich all the way down on the bottom level which sucked for me. Headed out to grab a taxi and I had already read MaxBkk report #51725 about the taxi but me being too tired agreed to 500 Baht. It wasn't until I saw red analog numbers of the meter being hidden behind a small towel did I realize my folly. Got to my hotel and took a nice shower and ate my club sandwich that I ordered. Downed a Red Bull then walked to Nana Plaza which was 10 minutes away and just checked out the mentioned spots. I sat in most of the Rainbow bars and saw some girls I liked. But wasn't too sure if 3000 Baht for ST was reasonable so I left. Headed to Soi Cowboy and went to Chrome Bar as previously mentioned here. As Toppers report #52220 mentioned I went across to another bar to pick a girl and then back to Chrome. Rates are 1500 Baht for an hour and got a nice nuru from a lady named Som but unfortunately couldn't cum as I was way to tired. Headed back to Nana and back into Rainbow 4 and tried to see if one of the girls I liked was still there but no dice. Headed back to the hotel and passed out. Day 2 & 3 will be up later.[/QUOTE]Nice FR.

Yes, those airport taxis, the taxi mafia, still have you at a disadvantage. You're tired, your bags are in the trunk, and all you want to do is get to the hotel. So you paid a couple of hundred baht extra (he can pocket that and report the meter's bill). Still [S]...[/S] next time, you might try, as you're sitting in the taxi, just say "My Pie, meter" (close enough to the Thai pronunciation without the tones) that they'll understand. It's understood as "I don't go". Or "My Ou (ch), kap. Meter". It's the "ou" in "ouch"; leave out the "ch". That's "No thank you (as in I don't want)". For me, it works on taxi drivers, pushy tuk-tuk drivers, touts [S]...[/S] Yes, it's about one of 10 Thai phrases I know, but it can mark you as "not a first time tourist, been here before, I know the game". Or just be happy the guy got a nice tip.

And for the Newbie's: it is customary to round up on taxi fares to the nearest 10's, as in for that 53 baht fare, I'll give 60 and say "kap". (thanks)

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2757078]Arrive in BKK tomorrow. Been to Thailand many times but never visited Thermae.

According to the maps it is on the main road near Soi 15 at Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel. But is it part of the hotel, next door, or nearby?[/QUOTE]So close [S]...[/S] It's actually UNDER the hotel. Just look for the stairs leading down as you're standing on the sidewalk, facing the hotel, the stairs are on your right.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2757086]So close [S]...[/S] It's actually UNDER the hotel. Just look for the stairs leading down as you're standing on the sidewalk, facing the hotel, the stairs are on your right.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for that. I knew I was warm, but couldn't see any signs.

So I'm in BKK tomorrow and have been trying out TF. Made contact with several nice looking girls, along with a tsunami of grannies from all over the country. I can't find any settings in TF that would filter out ladies who do not match my age range and location. Anyone know if this is possible?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2757109]So I'm in BKK tomorrow and have been trying out TF. Made contact with several nice looking girls, along with a tsunami of grannies from all over the country. I can't find any settings in TF that would filter out ladies who do not match my age range and location. Anyone know if this is possible?[/QUOTE]I suppose you mean that you want to prevent that they can send you messages and 'like' you. Unfortunately this is not possible. I'm also flooded by grannies when I use TF, some of them even older than me.

So it's Day 2 Friday and I maybe only slept 4 hours. Head to the fitness center in the hotel and work out a bit. Showered, changed and then ate breakfast down at the lobby. I decided to go for a walk today so Googled Doki Doki and was off. It was about 30 minutes away, so made sure to bring a water. Saw some massage spots with some good looking woman along Sukhumvit but wasn't sure if they offered extras. Finally made it to Doki Doki and saw some fellow mongers waiting. I was shown some pictures of who was available and picked a slim looking woman with silicone named Whiskey LOL. Took the 90 minutes option and headed up stairs and she cleaned me off. Maybe it was an off day but that was a bad performance on her part. The nuru felt good but the BBBJ was the tip in her mouth with stroke action. Then about 30 minutes of going to town on her I can see she is getting tired. So had her try to finish me off with a HJ with light sucking action until even that got tiring. I tried concentrating but eventually when I opened my eyes I saw her staring out into the unknown probably wondering what hell she's been doing with her life. Told her to stop, she washed me up and we ended with a back massage that she was actually good at. Changed and headed out without tipping. Well got back to my hotel and took a shower and relaxed before heading back out at 8. So once again went out started walking down Sukhumvit until I got to Soi Cowboy. Made that turn and headed into Wood Bar. It was 800 baht for 30 min BBBJ only. Picked this younger looking girl wearing oversized glasses named Bom. Headed upstairs and dropped my shorts and she washed my junk real nice before sitting me down on the recliner. She gave an awesome BBBJ with DT action. She definitely got my first nut out of the way. Cleaned me up and headed towards Nana again. Before that I noticed a large influx of Arab shops in some back streets. Was surprised seeing so many so decided to scope it out. Saw some massage shops with some questionable women. Headed out of the area and crossed the street towards Nana until I saw these 2 Arab / EE women. I mentioned that in report #53154 for possible Intel. Once again went up and down the Plaza until I ended in Random 1. Found this gorgeous young girl who's name escapes me but wanted to bar fine her all night. Unfortunately she informed me she was on her period and couldn't go but told me to take her friend. The friend was also a slim cute girl with a very nice perky butt. So being horny I decided to take her and it was surprisingly a great time. She wanted to stay all night but it being 2 am I really wanted to get some sleep. So let her leave and ordered a burger before attempting to sleep. Day 3 report coming later.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2757083]Nice FR.

Yes, those airport taxis, the taxi mafia, still have you at a disadvantage. You're tired, your bags are in the trunk, and all you want to do is get to the hotel. So you paid a couple of hundred baht extra (he can pocket that and report the meter's bill). Still [S]...[/S] next time, you might try, as you're sitting in the taxi, just say "My Pie, meter" (close enough to the Thai pronunciation without the tones) that they'll understand. It's understood as "I don't go". Or "My Ou (ch), kap. Meter". It's the "ou" in "ouch"; leave out the "ch". That's "No thank you (as in I don't want)". For me, it works on taxi drivers, pushy tuk-tuk drivers, touts [S]...[/S] Yes, it's about one of 10 Thai phrases I know, but it can mark you as "not a first time tourist, been here before, I know the game". Or just be happy the guy got a nice tip.

And for the Newbie's: it is customary to round up on taxi fares to the nearest 10's, as in for that 53 baht fare, I'll give 60 and say "kap". (thanks)[/QUOTE]The first couple visits I was very frustrated with the taxi drivers. Wanted to take the airport rail link, but flights leaving North America during the daytime arrive BKK in the middle of the night, and some years ago, the airport rail link stopped running at 10 PM (now runs until midnight). I changed my flights, and now take a red-eye from the USA, arrive in BKK early afternoon, take the airport rail link for 40 THB ($1.25) to the Phaya Thai stop on the Sukhumvit BTS line, then a few stops on the BTS to my hotel near the Ploen Chit stop for another 30 or 40 baht. I do not mind the train, actually I rather enjoy the train, and I don't feel taken advantage of by a taxi driver. I understand that some want a taxi directly to the hotel as it is convenient and may seem faster. However, given Bangkok's traffic, the train may be as fast or even faster.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2757109]So I'm in BKK tomorrow and have been trying out TF. Made contact with several nice looking girls, along with a tsunami of grannies from all over the country. I can't find any settings in TF that would filter out ladies who do not match my age range and location. Anyone know if this is possible?[/QUOTE]It's not possible to do what you ask but all you have to do is mark your profile as appear offline. Then no one can see your profile when you are browsing. The down side is no one will contact you first but I can live with that. I only want to talk to ladies that I select anyway.

I am probably the grumpiest failure of a monger around. And my first week of Thailand (as a free man) is coming to a close. And I have much to complain.

First of all, I had fancied the idea of going to these BJ bars, Lolitas and Kasalong, an I made sure I stayed very close by. But these were completely dead let down. They aren't even trying. I mean at Lolitas they were supposed to wear cute schoolgirl uniforms, but like I said, they aren't even trying. There is some older hags sitting around. Kasalong, I gave it an attempt anyway. The seasoned attendant (the only one showing any interest to serve) did her routine, but also, I felt without any real effort, as time went on, it didn't do it for me. When time was up, I decided I wouldn't force it and wouldn't pay another round of this.

Overall the freelancer scene around the Nana Hotel did not impress me. The very few who I might find pretty seem to have a horrible attitude, looking bored, messing with their cellphones. Back from my youth, Thai girls had a special allure to me, but as my life moved on, I see in many of them the faces of elderly Chinese women who I worked with professionally, it's hard to unsee that. Thai women look a lot younger than they are on the surface, up to a point. So many of the freelancers there I am sure are scratching their 40's. But then the young appearance is false, and it's hard to unsee the elderly Chinese colleagues in their faces. Since I like curves, it's another thing missing here. Those who do have them seem very tall and I don't like that, especially since I abhor even the slightest risk of ending up with a tranny after my one incident in Bogota.

I had no interest to sit down in any of those bars with the old dudes. I walked around inside the Nana Plaza, and I guess I should have done a go-go bar once. Probably will do that still while here. But I have no interest in drinking beer and be pushed to drink more. Today in the early afternoon I walked all the way from Nana to Silom and Patpong, and Patpong was a very sad sight. Seemed totally dead. Of course it may have been too early in the day, but I remember 10 years ago in the early afternoon there was still something going on. Now it looks like half of the places are closed altogether. I don't even recognize any of it any more.

Yesterday I was at Aya for a Nuru. And I guess that was alright. I came out smiling. So I had read about all the Nuru places. How Chrome Bar is essentially closed and you have to pick someone from Wood Bar (oh, yes, there too I found nothing appetizing sitting on that balcony so I didn't go in. Doki Doki and Aya was on my short list. Since the girl I wanted from Doki wasn't on the roster of the day, I decided for Aya. Actually I read one dude saying the Doki or the other way more expensive place starting with D also (can't remember) were using lots of Nuru gel and that the lack of friction was actually detrimental. Another dude was complaining that Aya wasn't using enough of the gel. So I thought, that should be good. Went to Aya and took Kate because she has more curves (a little chubby belly which I don't mind, especially with that belly button piercing). She was nice, I like falling in love a bit with my girl, like Trantra, you know, where you go in with the heart. She was open to that. She isn't a massage professional (she learned it from a friend who I guess initiated her in the art) but I can say that the standard of practice in Thailand is certainly far superior that of Brazil, therefore, even just some casually inducted girl will do a better job than in South America. So I quite enjoyed the pressure she applied, and the thought of being ridden up and down my back with that girl's pussy was quite a nice thought to behold. Couldn't wait to turn around though and have her do the same on my front side, all the way up over my face. I didn't even mind that she wasn't shaved. DFK was so-so, but she didn't turn away, which was nice. I took a long time, so much that our time of 60 minutes ran out. So I ended up buying another 1500 over on top of the 3000 I had paid (lesson here: next time I take 90 min right from the start, cheaper that way). I did it because we had good chemistry. I helped with my hand while she was slurping with her mouth and looked at me quite in a nice way from down there. And finally I came. She caught the first squirt or 3 large ones, and she made me think she gulped that first one down. Nice touch. Then we had time left, showered again and she was doing more massage which was pleasant. I would see her again I think. Like I said, I went out smiling.

So it wasn't all bad. And maybe I still get into the groove.

But the world's grumpiest failure of a monger will go on grumping a bit. I can't wait to get home to South America. Because I like them more there. Not just the curves and all, but also even the attitude. One thing that I notice a lot, and did not at all expect, and really I find it upsetting, is that they are quite discriminatory of age here. I don't look that old, and I don't look that bad, yet I feel like because of my age showing in my hair color, the younger ones don't even try to get my attention (I mean the freelancers). And on the ThaiFriendly site, even though its all full of freelancers there, I have a similar suspicion. In Colombia and Brazil I feel much less of that.

Having just come from India, where this age issue is even worse, I was nevertheless thinking that actually India could be better, even cheaper, for mongering, with the only problem being that the "red light districts" don't have nice accommodation, which is the biggest turn off there. Not even a room they have. But as far as attractiveness of girls, actually I was surprised to find myself wishing for a moment to be back there. Or have the girls from there in the atmosphere of here, with less crowds (the crowds of dudes over there are a turn off, that's better here. The old geezers here are mostly not part-taking in the action, instead they just sit and drink beer.).

What I find alarming and a possible sign of the entire scene collapsing soon is the fact that there are so many couples and even families to be seen around here. The pessimist grump in me sees that the good old days are over, and soon Bangkok will be just a place of wistful memories of old long gone times, with families touring around like the Mulain Rouge in Paris or New Orleans, maybe ordering a drink called "Blow Jog" but girls all getting virtual attention on Only Fans. Oh, and what's it with the hair dye here? I remember 20 years ago, when I was here not as a free man, I was so smitten by their long black hair, held together by crocodile clips, I loved that. And I could see their faces. Now they are all running around with masks, these stupid masks! And even 10 years ago I had noticed these stupid hair cuts they started to use, like imported from China or Japan. God, I hate these stupid hair cuts with the stupid fringes, and then all colored brown or blond. This is odious!

So there you have it. Mr. Grump is not impressed. Next is Pattaya.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2757180]I am probably the grumpiest failure of a monger around. And my first week of Thailand (as a free man) is coming to a close. And I have much to complain.

First of all, I had fancied the idea of going to these BJ bars, Lolitas and Kasalong, an I made sure I stayed very close by. But these were completely dead let down. They aren't even trying. I mean at Lolitas they were supposed to wear cute schoolgirl uniforms, but like I said, they aren't even trying. There is some older hags sitting around. Kasalong, I gave it an attempt anyway. The seasoned attendant (the only one showing any interest to serve) did her routine, but also, I felt without any real effort, as time went on, it didn't do it for me. When time was up, I decided I wouldn't force it and wouldn't pay another round of this.

Overall the freelancer scene around the Nana Hotel did not impress me. The very few who I might find pretty seem to have a horrible attitude, looking bored, messing with their cellphones. Back from my youth, Thai girls had a special allure to me, but as my life moved on, I see in many of them the faces of elderly Chinese women who I worked with professionally, it's hard to unsee that. Thai women look a lot younger than they are on the surface, up to a point. So many of the freelancers there I am sure are scratching their 40's. But then the young appearance is false, and it's hard to unsee the elderly Chinese colleagues in their faces. Since I like curves, it's another thing missing here. Those who do have them seem very tall and I don't like that, especially since I abhor even the slightest risk of ending up with a tranny after my one incident in Bogota.

I had no interest to sit down in any of those bars with the old dudes. I walked around inside the Nana Plaza, and I guess I should have done a go-go bar once. Probably will do that still while here. But I have no interest in drinking beer and be pushed to drink more. Today in the early afternoon I walked all the way from Nana to Silom and Patpong, and Patpong was a very sad sight. Seemed totally dead. Of course it may have been too early in the day, but I remember 10 years ago in the early afternoon there was still something going on. Now it looks like half of the places are closed altogether. I don't even recognize any of it any more.

Yesterday I was at Aya for a Nuru. And I guess that was alright. I came out smiling. So I had read about all the Nuru places. How Chrome Bar is essentially closed and you have to pick someone from Wood Bar (oh, yes, there too I found nothing appetizing sitting on that balcony so I didn't go in. Doki Doki and Aya was on my short list. Since the girl I wanted from Doki wasn't on the roster of the day, I decided for Aya. Actually I read one dude saying the Doki or the other way more expensive place starting with D also (can't remember) were using lots of Nuru gel and that the lack of friction was actually detrimental. Another dude was complaining that Aya wasn't using enough of the gel. So I thought, that should be good. Went to Aya and took Kate because she has more curves (a little chubby belly which I don't mind, especially with that belly button piercing). She was nice, I like falling in love a bit with my girl, like Trantra, you know, where you go in with the heart. She was open to that. She isn't a massage professional (she learned it from a friend who I guess initiated her in the art) but I can say that the standard of practice in Thailand is certainly far superior that of Brazil, therefore, even just some casually inducted girl will do a better job than in South America. So I quite enjoyed the pressure she applied, and the thought of being ridden up and down my back with that girl's pussy was quite a nice thought to behold. Couldn't wait to turn around though and have her do the same on my front side, all the way up over my face. I didn't even mind that she wasn't shaved. DFK was so-so, but she didn't turn away, which was nice. I took a long time, so much that our time of 60 minutes ran out. So I ended up buying another 1500 over on top of the 3000 I had paid (lesson here: next time I take 90 min right from the start, cheaper that way). I did it because we had good chemistry. I helped with my hand while she was slurping with her mouth and looked at me quite in a nice way from down there. And finally I came. She caught the first squirt or 3 large ones, and she made me think she gulped that first one down. Nice touch. Then we had time left, showered again and she was doing more massage which was pleasant. I would see her again I think. Like I said, I went out smiling.

So it wasn't all bad. And maybe I still get into the groove.

But the world's grumpiest failure of a monger will go on grumping a bit. I can't wait to get home to South America. Because I like them more there. Not just the curves and all, but also even the attitude. One thing that I notice a lot, and did not at all expect, and really I find it upsetting, is that they are quite discriminatory of age here. I don't look that old, and I don't look that bad, yet I feel like because of my age showing in my hair color, the younger ones don't even try to get my attention (I mean the freelancers). And on the ThaiFriendly site, even though its all full of freelancers there, I have a similar suspicion. In Colombia and Brazil I feel much less of that.

Having just come from India, where this age issue is even worse, I was nevertheless thinking that actually India could be better, even cheaper, for mongering, with the only problem being that the "red light districts" don't have nice accommodation, which is the biggest turn off there. Not even a room they have. But as far as attractiveness of girls, actually I was surprised to find myself wishing for a moment to be back there. Or have the girls from there in the atmosphere of here, with less crowds (the crowds of dudes over there are a turn off, that's better here. The old geezers here are mostly not part-taking in the action, instead they just sit and drink beer.).

What I find alarming and a possible sign of the entire scene collapsing soon is the fact that there are so many couples and even families to be seen around here. The pessimist grump in me sees that the good old days are over, and soon Bangkok will be just a place of wistful memories of old long gone times, with families touring around like the Mulain Rouge in Paris or New Orleans, maybe ordering a drink called "Blow Jog" but girls all getting virtual attention on Only Fans. Oh, and what's it with the hair dye here? I remember 20 years ago, when I was here not as a free man, I was so smitten by their long black hair, held together by crocodile clips, I loved that. And I could see their faces. Now they are all running around with masks, these stupid masks! And even 10 years ago I had noticed these stupid hair cuts they started to use, like imported from China or Japan. God, I hate these stupid hair cuts with the stupid fringes, and then all colored brown or blond. This is odious!

So there you have it. Mr. Grump is not impressed. Next is Pattaya.[/QUOTE]You might be mistaking Age Discrimination for another kind of Discrimination.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757067]Headed to Soi Cowboy and went to Chrome Bar as previously mentioned here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757138]So once again went out started walking down Sukhumvit until I got to Soi Cowboy. Made that turn and headed into Wood Bar.[/QUOTE]The only Chrome and Wood bars of which I'm aware are on Soi 7/1. Perhaps they have different branches on Soi Cowboy. Or, perhaps you are thinking 7/1 is Cowboy and you have not yet discovered the real Soi Cowboy.

Based on your comments about walking back and forth to Nana and nearby Arab shops makes me think you were actually on 7/1. Soi 7/1 is directly off Sukhumvit while Cowboy does not intersect Sukhumvit. The walk from Cowboy to Nana Plaza is well over a km whereas 7/1 to Nana Plaza is about half that far.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757138]So once again went out started walking down Sukhumvit until I got to Soi Cowboy. Made that turn and headed into Wood Bar.[/QUOTE]I thought he just skipped a description of part of the journey, but agree with [B]HorseTrader[/B].

For the record, and Newbie's, Soi Cowboy runs between Soi 21, aka Soi Asoke, and Soi 23, PARALLEL to Sukhumvit. From Soi Asoke, it's on the far (increasing soi numbers) side of the Asoke BTS stop; crossing Asoke NOW made easy by the underground passage (escalator down) just after the exit from BTS. You should be on the left hand side of Sukhumvit when walking away from Nana (odd numbered side); that is, the Chase Bank side of the Sukhumvit / Asoke intersection. On Asoke, walk away from Chase Bank, past the Metro entrance, and the next alley to your right is Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757138]She wanted to stay all night but it being 2 am I really wanted to get some sleep. So let her leave and ordered a burger before attempting to sleep. [/QUOTE]Skipped the [I]morning wakeup[/I]? That hotel breakfast must be good. Nice FR.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2757180]I am probably the grumpiest failure of a monger around. And my first week of Thailand (as a free man) is coming to a close. And I have much to complain.[/QUOTE]Thailand floats many boats, but not all. With all due respect, IMHO, like most things in life, what you get out of it is a direct function of what you put into it. WG's have a very keen sense, and who wants to try and [I]entertain[/I] Grumpy? One time, bg sits down, says, "Why you no smile? Why you not happy?" I said, "Not happy because I not have you. Have you, happy". True statement, she validated my words. Last time in BKK, walked down Soi 23. Spied a young cutie in front of an MP, her face buried in her phone. I stopped in front of her. Maybe she thought I was waiting for a bus as she didn't look up, but my toes WERE pointed TOWARDS her. Guess she did notice the FEET were not moving and she did look up for all of half a millisecond, back to her phone. I silently thanked her because if she had shown interest, I would have had that massage. But with NO interest, easy to remove her from the potential target list. Who wants to be in a room with THAT attitude? And WHENEVER I'm rejected due to (you say old, I say mature and experienced), I just remember one instance in a DXB bar. Two PRC's, I walked over to talk to one. She looked at me, said "I no like old man", and walked away. Fine. The other girl grabbed my arm and said, "She crazy. Young man want to f*ck all night, hard work. Old man, f*ck once, sleep. Easy work. I LIKE old man. " And she did, even if I proved one of her statements wrong.

Also, for me, walking around comparing BKK now to any other place or time is counterproductive. Yes, it's NOT DXB in the '00's. It's not BKK in the 90's. Back then, you could walk down Sukhumvit, even from Asoke to World Trade (no sky train), you smile at passing Thais, you'd get a smile back, just about EVERY time. It was the Land of Smiles. Lower Suk, number of falangs. Upper Suk, very few. Soi 55 was nothing but shop houses. Now? Everybody has that 100 yard stare, everybody just blobs of meat to not bump into. Soi 55 so [I]developed[/I], last time I was there, I could walk blocks and not see a single [U]Thai[/U] on the street. Fine, it's NOW, not THEN. Myself, wherever I am, that's reality (duh). Sure, sometimes, late at night, I might think, damn, if this was DXB, I'd have had a home-cooked Chinese meal, she would have cleaned my place, and there's enough leftovers for lunch tomorrow. So, I fall asleep, wake up, and go have some great Thai food at a restaurant and some great Thai [I]food[/I] at an MP.

Myself, when I'm in a bar, I will have a beer, just because I know it's [I]pure[/I], I can see the bottle being opened in front of me. But I might also have a coke even if there's a good chance it will be stale and flat because the bottle's been left open. Or orange juice (nam-som, long o), yea, maybe out of a bottle, not fresh. But you don't have to drink it, waste of money, so [S]...[/S] I'm NOT there for the drinks, but for the [I]potential[/I].

Finally, you might take a stroll down Soi 23, off of Sukhumvit; couple of blocks down, there's (or used to be) a number of MP's with girls sitting out front. If nothing, back to Sukhumvit, cross the street (that WILL get your heart racing even in a crosswalk, not all Thais will stop for pedestrians (Mr. Red Bull junior)), and walk up to Soi [B]26[/B]. Turn right onto 26, keeping to the righthand side as you walk away from Sukhumvit. Somewhere in that first block, see if the [I]Jill-in-the-Box[/I] is working. Step in, see if anyone sparks [I]interest[/I]. If not, 2 choices, back outside, continue down 26, first alley to your right, turn right, you will see Angels. That's soi 24-1. Walk along it, a number of MP's with girls sitting outside. Cherry, next to Angels, might not have girls outside, but you can step inside, talk to the Mamasan, express your type of interest, ask for a line-up. The other choice from inside the [I]Jill-in-the-Box[/I] is to walk through the shop, see if anyone sitting inside the front door is [I]interesting[/I]. Exit the front door (you've entered the back), see if anyone sitting outside is appealing. Now you are on soi 24-1, so take a stroll. Can't hurt, and, if nothing else, good exercise.

TIT.

Zeyto,

If you are still in BK, please take a photo of the entrance so that we know the exact location. If you are cautious, take the photo when the Arad "guards" are not around, or else take a "zoomed in" photo, say, from across the street, when the guards are in place. I don't mind checking out when I get to BK.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2756967]So on Friday I was walking to Nana after coming from Chrome Bar around 9 PM and I was crossing Sukhumvit towards the plaza until I saw 2 Arab or most likely EE girls provocatively dresses walking back the way I came. They were both gorgeous and both had amazing asses. I turned around a followed them and they entered this elevator entrance with 3 Arab dudes by the entrance. Didn't go and follow them since I'm sure they would stop me. I tried going into the elevator on Saturday afternoon but the elevator wasn't working. But I saw it later in the evening working and 2 of the same Arab guys by the entrance. It's across the street from Nana Square and you can't miss the gold tint of the entrance. Could be something or could be nothing, if a seasoned fellow would like to give it try be my guest.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2757180]I am probably the grumpiest failure of a monger around. And my first week of Thailand (as a free man) is coming to a close. And I have much to complain.

First of all, I had fancied the idea of going to these BJ bars, Lolitas and Kasalong, an I made sure I stayed very close by. But these were completely dead let down. They aren't even trying. I mean at Lolitas they were supposed to wear cute schoolgirl uniforms, but like I said, they aren't even trying. There is some older hags sitting around. Kasalong, I gave it an attempt anyway. The seasoned attendant (the only one showing any interest to serve) did her routine, but also, I felt without any real effort, as time went on, it didn't do it for me. When time was up, I decided I wouldn't force it and wouldn't pay another round of this.

Overall the freelancer scene around the Nana Hotel did not impress me. The very few who I might find pretty seem to have a horrible attitude, looking bored, messing with their cellphones. Back from my youth, Thai girls had a special allure to me, but as my life moved on, I see in many of them the faces of elderly Chinese women who I worked with professionally, it's hard to unsee that. Thai women look a lot younger than they are on the surface, up to a point. So many of the freelancers there I am sure are scratching their 40's. But then the young appearance is false, and it's hard to unsee the elderly Chinese colleagues in their faces. Since I like curves, it's another thing missing here. Those who do have them seem very tall and I don't like that, especially since I abhor even the slightest risk of ending up with a tranny after my one incident in Bogota.

I had no interest to sit down in any of those bars with the old dudes. I walked around inside the Nana Plaza, and I guess I should have done a go-go bar once. Probably will do that still while here. But I have no interest in drinking beer and be pushed to drink more. Today in the early afternoon I walked all the way from Nana to Silom and Patpong, and Patpong was a very sad sight. Seemed totally dead. Of course it may have been too early in the day, but I remember 10 years ago in the early afternoon there was still something going on. Now it looks like half of the places are closed altogether. I don't even recognize any of it any more.

Yesterday I was at Aya for a Nuru. And I guess that was alright. I came out smiling. So I had read about all the Nuru places. How Chrome Bar is essentially closed and you have to pick someone from Wood Bar (oh, yes, there too I found nothing appetizing sitting on that balcony so I didn't go in. Doki Doki and Aya was on my short list. Since the girl I wanted from Doki wasn't on the roster of the day, I decided for Aya. Actually I read one dude saying the Doki or the other way more expensive place starting with D also (can't remember) were using lots of Nuru gel and that the lack of friction was actually detrimental. Another dude was complaining that Aya wasn't using enough of the gel. So I thought, that should be good. Went to Aya and took Kate because she has more curves (a little chubby belly which I don't mind, especially with that belly button piercing). She was nice, I like falling in love a bit with my girl, like Trantra, you know, where you go in with the heart. She was open to that. She isn't a massage professional (she learned it from a friend who I guess initiated her in the art) but I can say that the standard of practice in Thailand is certainly far superior that of Brazil, therefore, even just some casually inducted girl will do a better job than in South America. So I quite enjoyed the pressure she applied, and the thought of being ridden up and down my back with that girl's pussy was quite a nice thought to behold. Couldn't wait to turn around though and have her do the same on my front side, all the way up over my face. I didn't even mind that she wasn't shaved. DFK was so-so, but she didn't turn away, which was nice. I took a long time, so much that our time of 60 minutes ran out. So I ended up buying another 1500 over on top of the 3000 I had paid (lesson here: next time I take 90 min right from the start, cheaper that way). I did it because we had good chemistry. I helped with my hand while she was slurping with her mouth and looked at me quite in a nice way from down there. And finally I came. She caught the first squirt or 3 large ones, and she made me think she gulped that first one down. Nice touch. Then we had time left, showered again and she was doing more massage which was pleasant. I would see her again I think. Like I said, I went out smiling.

So it wasn't all bad. And maybe I still get into the groove.

But the world's grumpiest failure of a monger will go on grumping a bit. I can't wait to get home to South America. Because I like them more there. Not just the curves and all, but also even the attitude. One thing that I notice a lot, and did not at all expect, and really I find it upsetting, is that they are quite discriminatory of age here. I don't look that old, and I don't look that bad, yet I feel like because of my age showing in my hair color, the younger ones don't even try to get my attention (I mean the freelancers). And on the ThaiFriendly site, even though its all full of freelancers there, I have a similar suspicion. In Colombia and Brazil I feel much less of that.

Having just come from India, where this age issue is even worse, I was nevertheless thinking that actually India could be better, even cheaper, for mongering, with the only problem being that the "red light districts" don't have nice accommodation, which is the biggest turn off there. Not even a room they have. But as far as attractiveness of girls, actually I was surprised to find myself wishing for a moment to be back there. Or have the girls from there in the atmosphere of here, with less crowds (the crowds of dudes over there are a turn off, that's better here. The old geezers here are mostly not part-taking in the action, instead they just sit and drink beer.).

What I find alarming and a possible sign of the entire scene collapsing soon is the fact that there are so many couples and even families to be seen around here. The pessimist grump in me sees that the good old days are over, and soon Bangkok will be just a place of wistful memories of old long gone times, with families touring around like the Mulain Rouge in Paris or New Orleans, maybe ordering a drink called "Blow Jog" but girls all getting virtual attention on Only Fans. Oh, and what's it with the hair dye here? I remember 20 years ago, when I was here not as a free man, I was so smitten by their long black hair, held together by crocodile clips, I loved that. And I could see their faces. Now they are all running around with masks, these stupid masks! And even 10 years ago I had noticed these stupid hair cuts they started to use, like imported from China or Japan. God, I hate these stupid hair cuts with the stupid fringes, and then all colored brown or blond. This is odious!

So there you have it. Mr. Grump is not impressed. Next is Pattaya.[/QUOTE]As a long-term resident, I can say there is a lot of truth to your report. Ageism has become an issue here as venues like Thermae are filled with young Asian punters whom the gals find quite attractive. The.

Preferred aesthetic amongst the gals is now cute young boyish almost feminine Asian dudes. And they're also willing to pay more and tend to accept what they're given which are the trump cards. When I moved here over 20 years ago it was the 50 and 60 something Western guys who had the best looking gals. Mainly because they were the ones who had the money and also because most had the swagger which was attractive to the women back then as it was a contrast to the local lads. Most younger Western guys I know here don't participate in the P4 P seen it all and instead have what I would consider less than attractive local girlfriends who drag them around by their short and curlies.

Honestly, I found many of the gals online to be much more accommodating in that they are used to older local punters. But for the tourist and for those who don't at least speak some of the language it's really not a good option is it requires a lot of research and time.

I haven't been to South America but your sentiment is echoed amongst the many dudes I know who have. Asia is becoming the realm of the Asian punter. Western guys are only a small part of the market now. And I don't see that changing.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2757304]As a long-term resident, I can say there is a lot of truth to your report. Ageism has become an issue here as venues like Thermae are filled with young Asian punters whom the gals find quite attractive. The.

Preferred aesthetic amongst the gals is now cute young boyish almost feminine Asian dudes. And they're also willing to pay more and tend to accept what they're given which are the trump cards. When I moved here over 20 years ago it was the 50 and 60 something Western guys who had the best looking gals. Mainly because they were the ones who had the money and also because most had the swagger which was attractive to the women back then as it was a contrast to the local lads. Most younger Western guys I know here don't participate in the P4 P seen it all and instead have what I would consider less than attractive local girlfriends who drag them around by their short and curlies.

Honestly, I found many of the gals online to be much more accommodating in that they are used to older local punters. But for the tourist and for those who don't at least speak some of the language it's really not a good option is it requires a lot of research and time.

I haven't been to South America but your sentiment is echoed amongst the many dudes I know who have. Asia is becoming the realm of the Asian punter. Western guys are only a small part of the market now. And I don't see that changing.[/QUOTE]Asian Monger Attractive-Ness.

Facially and physically I don't see it. It's they pay and are easy customers. No smashing and pounding for hours and hours.

Avg. Time for real non prostitoots Sex is under 10 minutes. Way under.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2757259]The only Chrome and Wood bars of which I'm aware are on Soi 7/1. Perhaps they have different branches on Soi Cowboy. Or, perhaps you are thinking 7/1 is Cowboy and you have not yet discovered the real Soi Cowboy.

Based on your comments about walking back and forth to Nana and nearby Arab shops makes me think you were actually on 7/1. Soi 7/1 is directly off Sukhumvit while Cowboy does not intersect Sukhumvit. The walk from Cowboy to Nana Plaza is well over a km whereas 7/1 to Nana Plaza is about half that far.[/QUOTE]Sir you are absolutely correct. Wood and Chrome Bars are on Soi 7/1 but on my way walking back from Doki Doki, I was crossing Soi Sukhumvit 21/ Asok Rd, turned to look around and then saw the Soi Cowboy sign. For some reason my mind associated Soi 7/1 as Cowboy, probably still getting a feel for the area since it's my first time here.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2757301]Zeyto,

If you are still in BK, please take a photo of the entrance so that we know the exact location. If you are cautious, take the photo when the Arad "guards" are not around, or else take a "zoomed in" photo, say, from across the street, when the guards are in place. I don't mind checking out when I get to BK.

Funman13.[/QUOTE]

I'll see what I can do later today since it's my last day. But if you Google map Star Fashion Custom Tailor and use street view you'll see the elevator clear as day right next to it. My tablet won't let me screenshot due to security policy by Google.

Another thing I failed to mention in my rant. The free lancers on TF are almost exclusively into ST. I thought one could pick up someone for a couple of days. But it's hard to find so far.

Counter the Rant.

To be Fair if every one of us didn't give money we would feel left out too. Hahaha.

I'm under no illusion where I stand in the Food Chain.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2757304]As a long-term resident, I can say there is a lot of truth to your report. Ageism has become an issue here as venues like Thermae are filled with young Asian punters whom the gals find quite attractive.

...I haven't been to South America but your sentiment is echoed amongst the many dudes I know who have. Asia is becoming the realm of the Asian punter. Western guys are only a small part of the market now. And I don't see that changing.[/QUOTE]I am no longer a Spring chicken, and I have been experiencing ageism over the past few years, most notably in Saigon and the Philippines. However, it is not the case in South America. The locals cannot compete much at this time due to lack of funds. That may change in the future but for now we still have an edge there.

So as mentioned before on Day 2, I let the girl go home since I was really tired. I ate my burger and watched some YouTube. It was now already 5 am and still up due to all the red bull I had been drinking at the bar. By 6 am I started to fall asleep. I woke up at at 5 pm. I was out. I felt so such relief and energetic waking up. Decided to go and eat some seafood for dinner so went walking on Sukhumvit until I got to this seafood restaurant close to Nana. Had a delicious lobster with chili. Went back to the hotel to clear the system as spicy food runs through me real quick. After that went again at 9:30 pm to Nana and sat at one of those bars looking at the Plaza sign and just people watched. Finished my beer and food then went into the Plaza. Same as before just checked out all the bars again before ending up at Random 1 again. Asked the girl I originally wanted the night before if she was good to go and sure enough she was. Paid the bar fine and back to my place. Stayed for almost 4 hours and let her leave. Managed to go to sleep right after that.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757310] I'll see what I can do later today since it's my last day. But if you Google map Star Fashion Custom Tailor and use street view you'll see the elevator clear as day right next to it. My tablet won't let me screenshot due to security policy by Google.[/QUOTE]When I Google Map Star Fashion Custom Tailor, I am taken to some joint at Khaosan Road.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2757659]When I Google Map Star Fashion Custom Tailor, I am taken to some joint at Khaosan Road.[/QUOTE]

Try googling this ซอย สุขุมวิท 3 Sukhumvit Road, Khlong Toei Nuea, Watthana, Bangkok 10110, Thailand

Visited Wood bar on my first day over and asked for DT, got a girl called Nur. Damn she was pretty, great perky tits and did a fab job as I don't normally cum from BJ's so had to help her out. She's a spitter and I had every intention to return but never made it. Highly recommend her.

Day 2: Wanted a good session with two females and as recommended by another chap here I popped over to paradise massage. Asked for 2 bi ladies, picked from 5 ladies available for 90 min FS session. Yumi and Katoon. Yumi seemed a bit hard core and Katoon was just sweet, both ladies I guess were in there 30's. Proceeded with shower and then on to the bed where girls started to massage me which was very poor. Soon after Yumi slides a condom on me and begins to blow me at which point I said BJ without condom and the girls said that was extra. Yes I got played here but didn't want to ruin my mood so paid 500 each. At this point I also confirmed again that this was a FS for 90 minutes and I get two shots and they confirmed. Asked both girls to blow me together but that didn't happen nor were they bi as they only kissed each other torso. I had paid so wanted to complete the session. Yumi slides a condom on me and lots of lube but struggles to get dick in and eventually gives up saying "I can't fuck you as my pussy is small and you are too big, she will fuck you". More disappointment! Now I can confirm guys am not huge maybe slightly bigger, and whilst I have been mongering around the world, this was the first time in my life a woman refused to fuck me. Anyways, Katoon rides me good, I had mentioned she was a very sweet girl and just wanted to please me. Once I was done with Katoon, back to message waiting for my shot. Few minutes later and I was ready with Yumi sucking me off trying to get me to cum. She tried hard but this point I was pissed with her and her skills werent great either, so after a good 15 minutes I told her to stop and call it day. I did tip both girls and also got an apology from Katoon. WIR Nope.

Day 5: DokiDoki, unfortunately by the time I got there only 1 lady was available. Aunaun, she must be in her 30's great personality, very sweet girl with man made tits but not a bad job at all. Down side was she was only available for 60 minutes so I proceeded. Great nuru, rimming, massaging the bottom of my feet with her tits was something I had not experienced and felt great, BJ and ending with her riding me for a good 20 minutes and asked if wanted to change positions as she was tired. Did her doggy and finally ending with a shower. Felt great and she was a true champ. Highly recommend her. Pretty sure 90 minutes would have been better experience as it all felt a little rushed.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757701]Try googling this ซอย สุขุมวิท 3 Sukhumvit Road, Khlong Toei Nuea, Watthana, Bangkok 10110, Thailand[/QUOTE]That place was already there years ago, I saw many times some black girls taking that elevator. Never been there myself but it's probably a club opened in the afternoon and evenings.

I don't remember seeing any guys at the doors downstairs but you should get in if you're interested and just tell them you go in the club upstairs if someone ask you something.

Thanks for your honest report but don't understand why you tipped these girls for bad and incomplete service. This type of future behavior is just encouraged since there are no consequences to them and makes it difficult for fellows behind you.

Just curious how much people are tipping for HJ at a regular massage shop?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2757756]Thanks for your honest report but don't understand why you tipped these girls for bad and incomplete service. This type of future behavior is just encouraged since there are no consequences to them and makes it difficult for fellows behind you.[/QUOTE]I understand you and am on the same page as you Tomasb. The bad service I had was from Yumi, whilst Katoon, tried very hard to please and cover up. For this she deserved the tip and I tipped Yumi for trying her best to suck me dry. They both knew I was pissed.

Real Scoop on why lack of Girls.

The Illegal Prostitute s were booted from the country.

Ever since that Fateful day. Well here we are Now.

I am travelling to Bangkok / Pattaya from the US and will be there on Nov 24th.

This is my first visit. What should I expect there? I am looking for young girls (around 19-22). Where do you think I will find them? What's the $ damage I am looking at.

PM is open. Please send any details / direct contacts that you may have.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2757877]This is my first visit.[/QUOTE][B]EVERYONE[/B] I know has always had a FIRST visit. Most succeeded by RTFF, others by going out with eyes open. Certainly several threads I can think of that would benefit you.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2757877]What should I expect there?[/QUOTE]A lot of Thai women, some Africans, maybe some Russians.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2757877]I am looking for young girls (around 19-22). Where do you think I will find them? [/QUOTE]Bangkok, Pattaya, most anywhere you look, but NOT all are in the [I]game[/I].

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2757877]What's the $ damage I am looking at.[/QUOTE]Depends on duration, service, her looks, your looks, place, so many variables.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2757877]PM is open. Please send any details / direct contacts that you may have.[/QUOTE]I looked at your posts, and what I see are a [B]LOT[/B] or REQUESTS for contacts / info, but few (4 maybe) FR's. This is Bangkok. "Contacts? Contacts? We don't need no stinkin' contacts". If you don't have the time / energy to do some homework, I don't have the time / energy to help you.

Have fun, and be sure to write some FR's.

[QUOTE=Crikey21;2757762]Just curious how much people are tipping for HJ at a regular massage shop?[/QUOTE]PREVIOUSLY, MY experience, seems like the standard price was 500 baht, extra if you wanted her to remove her top. Not ALL massage shops offer [I]extras[/I] but a good indicator WAS a number of girls sitting around outside, probably one with a laminated sheet with the [I]legit[/I] massage prices trying to get you to pick one and come inside. Now, the Soi 24 [I]loop[/I] and Soi 24-1, that's what they're there for. Soi 23, I'd say most do offer extras. Preparing to do some research myself in the next few weeks.

First visit in Bangkok. Was free on Monday so I decided to check out the famous bars nearby.

Walked through the chrome bar lane around 6 PM and they tried to hold my hands, asking me to come in. Was just not attracted, so said No.

I started walking towards Addict Massage. Since it was early, I saw a few freelancers.

Few even smiled at me, I didn't initiated as I was not too keen on taking them to my Airbnb.

Reached Addict Massage, paid the house fee 2300 baht and selected the one with least makeup.

I was having sex after 10 months, so had no expectations. No GFE, no kissing, no BBBJ (I didn't ask), she was fine with any positions.

Left after I was done. I may try this place again because of convenience.

On my way back, the number of freelancers doubled. Not many lookers.

3 more days left here, I have one blue pill which I want to use. May try freelancers, would appreciate any leads. Has anyone taken a freelancer to their Airbnb? Wanted to know if there are any Thai law issues.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2757949][B]EVERYONE[/B]I looked at your posts, and what I see are a [B]LOT[/B] or REQUESTS for contacts / info, but few (4 maybe) FR's. .[/QUOTE]What is wrong with asking for info? Why always so cranky and in a bad mood? Every post from you is you complaining about someone else's post. I wish this thread was a more positive place.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2757956]PREVIOUSLY, MY experience, seems like the standard price was 500 baht, extra if you wanted her to remove her top. Not ALL massage shops offer [I]extras[/I] but a good indicator WAS a number of girls sitting around outside, probably one with a laminated sheet with the [I]legit[/I] massage prices trying to get you to pick one and come inside. Now, the Soi 24 [I]loop[/I] and Soi 24-1, that's what they're there for. Soi 23, I'd say most do offer extras. Preparing to do some research myself in the next few weeks.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate. I went to one in thonglor and the girl told me 1 K baht is standard for HJ and I had a hard time believing it.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2757949][B]EVERYONE[/B] I know has always had a FIRST visit. Most succeeded by RTFF, others by going out with eyes open. Certainly several threads I can think of that would benefit you.

A lot of Thai women, some Africans, maybe some Russians.

Bangkok, Pattaya, most anywhere you look, but NOT all are in the [I]game[/I].

Depends on duration, service, her looks, your looks, place, so many variables.

I looked at your posts, and what I see are a [B]LOT[/B] or REQUESTS for contacts / info, but few (4 maybe) FR's. This is Bangkok. "Contacts? Contacts? We don't need no stinkin' contacts". If you don't have the time / energy to do some homework, I don't have the time / energy to help you.

Have fun, and be sure to write some FR's.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the details. I hope your response helps someone!

Yes, fairly new into mongering world, Hence I request for contacts / suggestions.

I have 4 FRs only because I have had 4 encounters only otherwise still trying to figure out the scene!

Everybody will have a start somewhere.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2758053]What is wrong with asking for info? Why always so cranky and in a bad mood? Every post from you is you complaining about someone else's post. I wish this thread was a more positive place.[/QUOTE]I thought the forum is for sharing details, experiences and suggestions. But some people can be nosy and judging others.

If they don't like a message / FR, there is an option to 'ignore and move on'. But not sure what is the point here for being judgmental?

Feel better Cranky Senior member!

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2758161]I thought the forum is for sharing details, experiences and suggestions. But some people can be nosy and judging others.

If they don't like a message / FR, there is an option to 'ignore and move on'. But not sure what is the point here for being judgmental?

Feel better Cranky Senior member![/QUOTE]I'm always feeling good (if nothing else, from LOTS of memories), and by next week, I'll be feeling a lot better. The forum IS for sharing details, that's why members write FR's. So BEFORE asking, better to do some reading. Just like in school, you have to do the reading assignment, THEN come to class and ask about what you don't understand. Otherwise, it's disrespectful to those who have taken the time to write detailed FR's like [B]Newton York, Thomas9, Zeyto, Toppers, EIHTooms[/B], and many others [S]...[/S] As I've said, members have put in the TIME, money, effort to gain knowledge, and then gone the EXTRA mile to write an FR. So respect that, and make use of the existing info FIRST.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2758053]What is wrong with asking for info? Why always so cranky and in a bad mood? Every post from you is you complaining about someone else's post. I wish this thread was a more positive place.[/QUOTE][B]EVERY[/B] post? You should learn how to use the various search methods here (link below). I'd say I was helpful on price, best times to visit, Soi Cowboy, Thermae, taxis, public transportation, NYE, ROD link, searching. And that's just on the first page of search results. As to recent experiences, no, my info is old, AS OF NOW, so I haven't posted any FR's recently. We shall see if that changes [S]...[/S] But when members ask questions that could be answered by some simple reading, then it's a disincentive to take the time to write FR's, seems to me. Numerous requests for info with no FR's following is, for me anyway, a disincentive to provide any useful info, given I know it's already there.

Positive place? You obviously haven't been around long. You say not positive, I say "constructive criticism".

Yes, it's OLD, but some things do stand the test of time.

[B]SEARCHING[/B]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?926-General-Info&p=526200&viewfull=1#post526200[/URL]

And for a simple search of a member's [I]contributions[/I], simply left click on the member's name in any of his posts, and in the pop-up window, select "View forum posts". I find this VERY helpful because when I read a good FR, I'll check and see what else the member has posted without having to scan multiple pages.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2758159]Everybody will have a start somewhere.[/QUOTE]I'd suggest STARTING by reading the most recent 10 pages of several threads (Bangkok, massage, etc.), checking out the reports of distinction thread, and making some notes. Pretty quick to scan to see if it's an FR or comment. Lot of good info here, but you do have to make an effort rather than just type "where? [S]...[/S] contacts? [S]...[/S] prices? [S]...[/S].

Seriously, it's great that you've financially contributed to the forum, I salute you for that. All I'm saying is, there is a lot of info here about places to go, things that others have seen, prices paid, etc. It might not be the specific info you're looking for, but certainly provides a lot of info on where to look, what to expect, prices. When members give the name of an MP, google the name (add Bangkok to the search term) and see if they have a website. A lot have photos. Yes, photoshop runs rampant, but gives you an idea. The bars, you kind of have to go look and see, but at least by reading the FR's, you'll know where others have found success. There's info on using various social media on finding FL's. Saying 19-22 year olds? You see a cutie, what, if she says she's 27, you'll say "no thank you". Great thing about Asians, most look younger than they are. ONLY YOU can find what YOU are looking for. But like any assembly project, read the instruction manual, THEN ask some questions, don't just ask the store "how do I build this? In Thailand, the [I]mines[/I] are not hidden, they're well documented, you just have to go look, searching for YOUR [I]nugget[/I].

[QUOTE=Crikey21;2758093]Thanks mate. I went to one in thonglor and the girl told me 1 K baht is standard for HJ and I had a hard time believing it.[/QUOTE]My info is dated but should be updated shortly. But when BJ's can be had for say 800, 1000 seems a bit high. But then again, those in places where a HE is expected. Regular massage places can be different, and a high price quote can be for a newbie, disincentive to providing, etc.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2758053]What is wrong with asking for info? Why always so cranky and in a bad mood? Every post from you is you complaining about someone else's post. I wish this thread was a more positive place.[/QUOTE]YMMV in different areas in Bangkok. Thonglor tends to be more expensive for everything as it is a popular neighborhood for the upper middle class and above of Bangkok, even the street food is more expensive than other parts along Sukhumvit. I have found that Phrom Phong and lower Sukhumvit tends to have better pricing for massage extras.

1 k tip for a handy is about par for the Thonglor area. I have a report on one of the massage places on here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES[/URL]!&p=2708946#post2708946.

If a handy is all you're looking for, you should look up the Japanese / Korean Akasuri places. They give you body scrub down and a handy usually for around 1 k - 1.2 k.

Matched with someone on Bumble, was a verified profile so I didn't un-match even though she used to reply once a day.

Yesterday I asked her to meet for lunch and she shared her number, it was Indonesia code and I thought it was mostly a scam. After a few texts she said she's an escort.

I called her and we negotiated at 4000 baht. It was 10 AM and I was too lazy to go out for freelancers. She video called me and showed up after 10 minutes.

The experience was OK. No BBBJ, I didn't like the DFK, Fine with any positions.

She started with cowgirl and She came very soon. Later she kept on asking me to cum.

Won't repeat, but fine for a one time fun. She seems to be from Indonesia and here for 2 weeks.

Hi can someone suggest 4 star GF gfriendly hotels. I will be in Bangkok this month.

Cheers.

Went to Oskar on Soi 11 last Sunday with no idea how it would work out. I wasn't sure if everyone had worn themselves out the previous night for Halloween or saved a bit to finish it off Sunday.

Was early and got a good seat at the bar, which as it turned out was a coveted spot. I even had a red hot little FL type ask me if she could have my chair because her feet hurt from having to stand in her heels for so long. She had this whole GPS vibe going on or else I would have offered to take her off her feet and put her on her back. Or maybe her stomach because she did have an attractive ass.

Anyway another FL sitting next to me smiled and commented that some girls can give "ladies" a bad rep. I laughed and we started talking. She told me that Spasso was open, but not like before, which answered my question. She looked tall and shapely but hard to know with her sitting down. I think she sensed I wanted to check her out and asked me to protect her seat as she slowly sauntered to the ladies loo. By 11:00 there was a nice covey of working ladies, and a few civy gals, one of which I wanted to sample. I asked my seatmate how to tell a girl was "working" and she gave me some pointers. So I asked her opinion about a couple and we had the same impression on most, but a few I thought "NO WAY" she told me for certain they were interested in fattening their wallets. They just acted a little aloof until a target worth the effort presented itself. After an hour of chatting and laughing I asked her fee, she said $3000 for shortish time and her menu was mostly wide open. I accepted and we were off to my hotel. She is fairly tall, lste 20's, early 30's, pretty with a nice smile, nice butt, small boobs and a great sense of humor. Turns out mostly wide open does not include a trip to Greece, but the rejection of the suggestion was done gently and quickly resulted in an enthusiastic DT oral rendition, followed by watching my balls bounce off her thighs while she was bent over the bed in her perfect height heels. Some nice cuddling and chat followed the post coital bliss and off she went. She left her lipstick in my room and messaged me the next day to see if I found it. I told her yes, but was holding it hostage until she agreed to wear a cute dress and meet me for dinner. Tomorrow she gets her lipstick back. LOL If she wears a dress of course. It was 3 K well spent.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2758535]Went to Oskar on Soi 11 last Sunday with no idea how it would work out. I wasn't sure if everyone had worn themselves out the previous night for Halloween or saved a bit to finish it off Sunday.

Was early and got a good seat at the bar, which as it turned out was a coveted spot. I even had a red hot little FL type ask me if she could have my chair because her feet hurt from having to stand in her heels for so long. She had this whole GPS vibe going on or else I would have offered to take her off her feet and put her on her back. Or maybe her stomach because she did have an attractive ass.

Anyway another FL sitting next to me smiled and commented that some girls can give "ladies" a bad rep. I laughed and we started talking. She told me that Spasso was open, but not like before, which answered my question. She looked tall and shapely but hard to know with her sitting down. I think she sensed I wanted to check her out and asked me to protect her seat as she slowly sauntered to the ladies loo. By 11:00 there was a nice covey of working ladies, and a few civy gals, one of which I wanted to sample. I asked my seatmate how to tell a girl was "working" and she gave me some pointers. So I asked her opinion about a couple and we had the same impression on most, but a few I thought "NO WAY" she told me for certain they were interested in fattening their wallets. They just acted a little aloof until a target worth the effort presented itself. After an hour of chatting and laughing I asked her fee, she said $3000 for shortish time and her menu was mostly wide open. I accepted and we were off to my hotel. She is fairly tall, lste 20's, early 30's, pretty with a nice smile, nice butt, small boobs and a great sense of humor. Turns out mostly wide open does not include a trip to Greece, but the rejection of the suggestion was done gently and quickly resulted in an enthusiastic DT oral rendition, followed by watching my balls bounce off her thighs while she was bent over the bed in her perfect height heels. Some nice cuddling and chat followed the post coital bliss and off she went. She left her lipstick in my room and messaged me the next day to see if I found it. I told her yes, but was holding it hostage until she agreed to wear a cute dress and meet me for dinner. Tomorrow she gets her lipstick back. LOL If she wears a dress of course. It was 3 K well spent.[/QUOTE]Civilian Hot girls don't go where Prostitutes go. Come on guys.

[QUOTE=Ry2510;2758508]Hi can someone suggest 4 star GF gfriendly hotels. I will be in Bangkok this month.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Adelphi Suites on Soi 8. 4 star and guest friendly.

And it's 5 min walk to Nana Plaza. And basically only a 30 sec walk to Lolitas (BJ bar), Kasalong (BJ bar) and Bamboo Massage (FS massage place).

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2758587]Civilian Hot girls don't go where Prostitutes go. Come on guys.[/QUOTE]Of course some do. Sure, if we take the argument to that old "If I offered her $1,000,000" chestnut then every lady in every bar / restaurant and everywhere else is a prostitute. But not every table of hot girls at Oskar's Bistro is a lineup of Freelancers looking to score a 3,000 - 5,000 baht ST.

Some are well tended girlfriends or wives of men who are out of town and the girls were itching to doll up, see if they've still "got it" to attract attention and are happy to just do what many, many girls in bars all around the world are there to do; get free drinks and reject men.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2758587]Civilian Hot girls don't go where Prostitutes go. Come on guys.[/QUOTE]Yes they do.

Nightclubs and high end bars, all the time.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2758587]Civilian Hot girls don't go where Prostitutes go. Come on guys.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you are implying but if you are saying that "hot girls' (I assume you mean Hot civilian girls) don't go to places like Level, Above 11, Sugar to name a few then I guess I will defer to your definition of "Hot". I assure you that over the last week to 10 days, I have seen ladies that certainly appear to be civies in each of the locations. Hotness is a personal definition. If your definition of Hot girls is only the so called "HiSo" girls then you might be right.

I was only writing about what I witnessed on that evening and what information a professional lady shard with me over a leisurely drink. Take it for what it is worth. I am pretty sure I am not prone to posting things that are not factual or personally experienced.

Sky.

Feb 3-5 next year.

Report will follow of course.

Inbox please PM

Looking at 3 somes 4 somes etc

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2758741]Not sure what you are implying but if you are saying that "hot girls' (I assume you mean Hot civilian girls) don't go to places like Level, Above 11, Sugar to name a few then I guess I will defer to your definition of "Hot". I assure you that over the last week to 10 days, I have seen ladies that certainly appear to be civies in each of the locations. Hotness is a personal definition. If your definition of Hot girls is only the so called "HiSo" girls then you might be right.

I was only writing about what I witnessed on that evening and what information a professional lady shard with me over a leisurely drink. Take it for what it is worth. I am pretty sure I am not prone to posting things that are not factual or personally experienced.

Sky.[/QUOTE]Adding to my previous reply to this topic, an even greater annoyance and risk for us punters getting it wrong is that some of the hottest girls found working at well-known prostitution venues are civilians only pretending to be prostitutes! LOL.

I'm talking about the hottest girls in the line ups outside of almost every go-go bar on Soi Cowboy and a few spots in Nana Plaza. Unless hustling expensive Lady Drinks counts as an act of prostitution, they are for all practical purposes "civilians" working a "civilian" job.

Again, sure, if you trot out the "If I offered one $1,000,000" bit or perhaps even 7,000 - 8,000 baht in a few cases, the girl might jump on the offer and meet you after hours. But they are not hired by the agency / bar to accept offers of sex for money and they did not show up looking for P4 P customers. For the most part, when their shift is over they head back to their boyfriends or husbands.

I assume places like Levels and Oskar Bistro are not dressing up the place with hot girls hired to merely appear as though they are available for P4 P and therefore theirs is a great place to hang out, buy a ton of drinks and see how it goes. But I wouldn't put anything past any entertainment venue here until proven otherwise.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2758161]I thought the forum is for sharing details, experiences and suggestions. But some people can be nosy and judging others.

If they don't like a message / FR, there is an option to 'ignore and move on'. But not sure what is the point here for being judgmental?

Feel better Cranky Senior member![/QUOTE]Imagine how many people don't post because they are afraid of being told RTFF.

Noi, Nit, Nat, Nut.

It's Thursday let's all make ourselves Pretty. Let go where the CreepySex Tourists go so we can tell them we aren't prostitute s.

Mook hears about it and wants in.

Okie Dokie.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2758884]Noi, Nit, Nat, Nut.

It's Thursday let's all make ourselves Pretty. Let go where the CreepySex Tourists go so we can tell them we aren't prostitute s.

Mook hears about it and wants in.

Okie Dokie.[/QUOTE]Places like Oskar and Levels amongst other Soi 11 venuous have always attracted working girls, non-working girls, men looking for P4 P action, and non-mongers as well. Just like Spasso it's always been mixed. And I would dare to say that Soi 11 has always attracted more non-mongers than mongers including couples here on vacation. The vast majority of younger European and North American men in Thailand, and by younger I mean under 40 are not mongering.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2758974]Places like Oskar and Levels amongst other Soi 11 venuous have always attracted working girls, non-working girls, men looking for P4 P action, and non-mongers as well. Just like Spasso it's always been mixed. And I would dare to say that Soi 11 has always attracted more non-mongers than mongers including couples here on vacation. The vast majority of younger European and North American men in Thailand, and by younger I mean under 40 are not mongering.[/QUOTE]What are these young fellows under 40, doing. ?

Looking for Free Sex?

If not mongering, study Language of Thai, SoTom Cooking, Archaeologist s, Boxers?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2758796]Adding to my previous reply to this topic, an even greater annoyance and risk for us punters getting it wrong is that some of the hottest girls found working at well-known prostitution venues are civilians only pretending to be prostitutes! LOL.


I assume places like Levels and Oskar Bistro are not dressing up the place with hot girls hired to merely appear as though they are available for P4 P and therefore theirs is a great place to hang out, buy a ton of drinks and see how it goes. But I wouldn't put anything past any entertainment venue here until proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]ET,

I would agree that real fear would be assuming that a lady is part of the P4 P crowd only to discover otherwise. High level of embarrassment to say the least, but depending on the signals given, it might be a reasonable assumption. I'm not a big "BMD" type, but usually wait for a bit of conversation before offering to buy a drink. And when in venues that have a mix of both types exercise a bit of caution when approaching a lady. It is usually obvious if your attentions are desired or not. At least in my experience. I would agree that Oskar, Above 11, etc. Do not put out "eye candy" to attract patrons, but in fairness, Level does have some professional dancers that are easy on the eyes. Can't help but wonder if some of the civy ladies while acting "insulted" aren't just a little bit happy that someone finds them attractive enough to make an offer, unless of course it is something silly. One never knows.

Met a real cute lady last night walking on Soi 11, she was moving with purpose and happened to look up and caught me appreciating her nice dress and heels. She smiled and said "Hello, We stepped out of the way to chat a bit. Immediately determined she was not Thai, she said Laotian, but I just smiled and asked "Vietnamese" in her native tongue and she said yes. I should have kept moving after that, but after a bit of back and forth agreed to a price with the promise of " I take good care of you, you will see". Nice, attractive, well groomed and personable. During the taxi ride, we found we had visited the same clubs in Shanghai and Singapore, and she was asking me about Hong Kong. We get to the room and the second thing she says is "give me the money first", again I should have known to show her the door, but I said "NO" and if that is not acceptable you can leave. She said what you expect, "you don't trust me, and I said the same back to her. I just said I understand and you can leave with $100 baht for taxi back to Soi 11. Opened the hotel room door and held it for her. She said, "I don't want this, I want to stay. " I finally compromised and put the money on the table with the agreement she not touch until she left. Big mistake on my part was not having exact change. She said no problem, she would give me change. You can guess what happened. After what can only be considered perfunctory service she was ready to believe and WOW, did not have enough change. Not sure what it is with me and Viet gals, but only rarely have I been pleased after the fact with a Viet lady. On those occasions when I was pleased it was "off the hook" fun times though. Only a couple of days remaining, so I promised myself not to stray from the local gals. Another expensive lesson learned. She said there are more than a few Viet ladies in BK these days, and I guess Phuket.

[QUOTE=Cali2;2757959]

Reached Addict Massage, paid the house fee 2300 baht and selected the one with least makeup.
.[/QUOTE]So Addict prices haven't gone up as much as I was led to believe.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2759049]Met a real cute lady last night walking on Soi 11, she was moving with purpose and happened to look up and caught me appreciating her nice dress and heels. She smiled and said "Hello, We stepped out of the way to chat a bit. Immediately determined she was not Thai, she said Laotian, but I just smiled and asked "Vietnamese" in her native tongue and she said yes. I should have kept moving after that, but after a bit of back and forth agreed to a price with the promise of " I take good care of you, you will see". Nice, attractive, well groomed and personable. During the taxi ride, we found we had visited the same clubs in Shanghai and Singapore, and she was asking me about Hong Kong. We get to the room and the second thing she says is "give me the money first", again I should have known to show her the door, but I said "NO" and if that is not acceptable you can leave. She said what you expect, "you don't trust me, and I said the same back to her. I just said I understand and you can leave with $100 baht for taxi back to Soi 11. Opened the hotel room door and held it for her. She said, "I don't want this, I want to stay. " I finally compromised and put the money on the table with the agreement she not touch until she left. Big mistake on my part was not having exact change. She said no problem, she would give me change. You can guess what happened. After what can only be considered perfunctory service she was ready to believe and WOW, did not have enough change. Not sure what it is with me and Viet gals, but only rarely have I been pleased after the fact with a Viet lady. On those occasions when I was pleased it was "off the hook" fun times though. Only a couple of days remaining, so I promised myself not to stray from the local gals. Another expensive lesson learned. She said there are more than a few Viet ladies in BK these days, and I guess Phuket.[/QUOTE]Can't say that I've noticed any Vietnamese in Phuket at all as of yet.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2758644]Adelphi Suites on Soi 8. 4 star and guest friendly.

And it's 5 min walk to Nana Plaza. And basically only a 30 sec walk to Lolitas (BJ bar), Kasalong (BJ bar) and Bamboo Massage (FS massage place).[/QUOTE]I give a big affirmative in seconding Adelphi Suites on Soi 8.

Totally girl friendly.

It's my hotel of choice in Bangkok.

I just saw your post and I have never had a good experience with a FL from Vietnam in Bangkok and several ones similar to yours. They all seem to want the money up front and then they are lousy in the sack, if you do or don't pay in advance, doesn't matter! I can't speak Vietnamese but I have gotten pretty good in identifying Viets from the get go. For one, they do not look like Thai girls in general and not at all like Laotians who tend to have much whiter skin. Also, they seem to hang out in Hilary on Soi 4 or in that general area. My recommendation is to avoid them at all costs.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2759122]I just saw your post and I have never had a good experience with a FL from Vietnam in Bangkok and several ones similar to yours. They all seem to want the money up front and then they are lousy in the sack, if you do or don't pay in advance, doesn't matter! I can't speak Vietnamese but I have gotten pretty good in identifying Viets from the get go. For one, they do not look like Thai girls in general and not at all like Laotians who tend to have much whiter skin. Also, they seem to hang out in Hilary on Soi 4 or in that general area. My recommendation is to avoid them at all costs.[/QUOTE]The only time I have been "robbed" by a hooker in my life was by a Viet girl working in front of the Nana Hotel. Pulling her pants down in front of the desk in the old Plaza short time hotel and watching my baht pour out of her panties was wonderful. But, no more Viets for me.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2759117]I give a big affirmative in seconding Adelphi Suites on Soi 8.

Totally girl friendly.

It's my hotel of choice in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Thirding. That's where I start my trips at.

Govt claims Suwannee Airport packed to the Gills with people coming to Thailand by the millions. Even have a photo claiming its real.

Is one to think Thai officials have been putting out fake photos. LOL.

What the real Scoop? I'm arriving about the 20th of November. Mentally I like to know if getting thru immigration will take 3 minutes or 6 hours.

Personally I think it's propaganda on arrival numbers.

Adelphi Suites. Fine if you Saudi Prince.

Always good when recommending Hotels to at least give prices.

Adelphi suites at $140 at night or Red Planet at $30 at night.

Neither is wrong choice, it depends on You.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759194]Govt claims Suwannee Airport packed to the Gills with people coming to Thailand by the millions. Even have a photo claiming its real.

Is one to think Thai officials have been putting out fake photos. LOL.

What the real Scoop? I'm arriving about the 20th of November. Mentally I like to know if getting thru immigration will take 3 minutes or 6 hours.

Personally I think it's propaganda on arrival numbers.[/QUOTE]Landed Oct 16 -.

Was probably at farthest gate from immigration, seemed like a 15 min combination of walking / moving sidewalk or I am getting old LOL. Not counting this time. But only 2 persons in front of me at immigration, including picking up luggage -- fastest ever thru this portion at under 15 mins.

I came to Bangkok in 2018 when insanity was open.

Today the nightclub is closed and I am looking for other nightclubs.

Do you have any good nightclub to offer me, please?

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759194]Govt claims Suwannee Airport packed to the Gills with people coming to Thailand by the millions. Even have a photo claiming its real.

Is one to think Thai officials have been putting out fake photos. LOL.

What the real Scoop? I'm arriving about the 20th of November. Mentally I like to know if getting thru immigration will take 3 minutes or 6 hours.

Personally I think it's propaganda on arrival numbers.[/QUOTE]Not propaganda. Friend returned from Cambodia last Thursday. Waited in line 90 minutes at Suvarnabhumi.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759239]Adelphi Suites. Fine if you Saudi Prince.

Always good when recommending Hotels to at least give prices.

Adelphi suites at $140 at night or Red Planet at $30 at night.

Neither is wrong choice, it depends on You.[/QUOTE]You seem to have a very loud and negative opinion on everything at Tim Timms.

It's not realistic to give prices as they vary greatly by the deals the customer can get and the time of year.

Just relax and go with the flow.

And BTW.

Adelphi Suites is currently 3400 baht or US $90 a night, not $140, at least that is my price on [URL]booking.com[/URL].

It's up there, as it is at a high season pricing right now, like all hotels.

In low season it was down around 1300-1500 baht, exceptional value.

It is recommended by me and others because even at 3000 plus baht a night it has great convenience, service, and facilities.

Girl friendly, great swimming pool, very comfortable beds and rooms, car parking (important to me) and a great location.

As to Red Planet if you want a broom closet go right ahead, 14 square meters at 1000 baht per night.

You can't even swing a cat in there.

At the 1000 baht price range.

There are much better more centrally located broom closet rooms.

Like Studio Nana iCheck Inn on Soi 11/1 also 14 sm in size.

And iCheck Inn Nana at 20 sm on Soi 7/1 at 1500 baht.

Even larger, older hotels like City Lodge Bangkok at 24 sm or Maxims Inn at 30 sm on Soi 9.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2759122]I just saw your post and I have never had a good experience with a FL from Vietnam in Bangkok and several ones similar to yours. They all seem to want the money up front and then they are lousy in the sack, if you do or don't pay in advance, doesn't matter! I can't speak Vietnamese but I have gotten pretty good in identifying Viets from the get go. For one, they do not look like Thai girls in general and not at all like Laotians who tend to have much whiter skin. Also, they seem to hang out in Hilary on Soi 4 or in that general area. My recommendation is to avoid them at all costs.[/QUOTE]It's an interesting conundrum.

As Viet girls I've sessioned in both Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore and even Australia have generally been excellent.

But in Cambodia they have been atrocious and ones also to definitely avoid.

My thinking is that it's the "bad" Viet girls that end up as freelancers in Bangkok, or other parts of Thailand and Cambodia, are ones that can't get a gig elsewhere.

If they could they would be there as there would have to be more money than hustling on the streets in Bangkok competing with local Thai freelancers.

It's also interesting that they aren't a fixture of Pattaya at all, probably because the money is even lower than in Bangkok.

Now when I say bad, I mean bad as in playing games, theft etc. , or even adverse criminal or "medical" histories.

So my view is always to eat local, especially if it is street (walker) food I am eating.

The above could also be said about African, Burmese, Cambodian and Lao woman that you come across.

The difference with all of those tho is they don't have quite the same cultural mentality as the Viet's, which as a general rule is to scam.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2759292]Not propaganda. Friend returned from Cambodia last Thursday. Waited in line 90 minutes at Suvarnabhumi.[/QUOTE]Aaaaahh crap!! If it's this long now, I don't want to think about how long it's going to be when I arrive early December.

Before my trip, I had made a premium TF account and messaged a bunch of girls, getting some LINE ID's and tentatively scheduling some meetups.

I found TF to be hit-or-miss, many girls are flaky about messaging, and a lot of them are civilians and not freelancers.

But Tinder was worse, it seemed like half of the profiles were ladyboys.

I struck gold on my first meetup: Thanida, a 20 YO college student, 5'2" and 105 lbs. [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Thanida22[/URL].

I realize that you can't see her pictures without signing up for a TF account, so I'm attaching them here as well. You can PM me for her LINE info.

2500ST which I picked, 5000 LT was an option.

After our session, we had a chat in bed and really felt an emotional connection. I liked her so much that I repeated for the second night. And then my travelling buddies were giving me shit, saying I should explore other options. So I did, over the next few days:

- Got a girl's LINE ID from Rainbow 4 in Nana Plaza, and messaged to meet with her again at Rainbow to work out the details. She was an hour late to that meeting, and we didn't hit it off, and she was charging too much, so I declined.

- Went to Thermae and chatted with a few girls, but didn't end up taking anyone back.

- Met another girl on TF who charged 3500ST, but she ended up being a dead fish in bed.

- Went to Billboard in Nana Plaza and saw a bunch of stunners. Picked one for a lady drink, and it turns out she doesn't barfine (or maybe it was just me).

- Browsed a few go-go bars on Soi Cowboy and decided it was much worse than Nana Plaza.

- Met another girl on TF, deaf but super-cute. We met at my hotel room, and then found out she had rough scaly skin around her chest and pelvic area. I was grossed out and sent her away.

After all this, I decided I had enough exploration, and then called up Thanida again to spend my remaining 2 days with her in LT sessions. We toured around the city and had the complete sweetheart GFE experience, which was a great way to end the trip.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2757266]
For the record, and Newbie's, Soi Cowboy runs between Soi 21, aka Soi Asoke, and Soi 23, PARALLEL to Sukhumvit. From Soi Asoke, it's on the far (increasing soi numbers) side of the Asoke BTS stop; crossing Asoke NOW made easy by the underground passage (escalator down) just after the exit from BTS. You should be on the left hand side of Sukhumvit when walking away from Nana (odd numbered side); that is, the Chase Bank side of the Sukhumvit / Asoke intersection. On Asoke, walk away from Chase Bank, past the Metro entrance, and the next alley to your right is Cowboy.
[/QUOTE]I didn't know it was possible to cross Soi 21 through an underground passage. As far as I know the escalator down just after the exit from Asoke BTS station only leads to the MRT.
But I could be wrong. Where does this underground passage 'surface' on the Soi Cowboy side of Soi 21?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2759401]I didn't know it was possible to cross Soi 21 through an underground passage. As far as I know the escalator down just after the exit from Asoke BTS station only leads to the MRT.
But I could be wrong. Where does this underground passage 'surface' on the Soi Cowboy side of Soi 21?[/QUOTE]Yes, How did you think the people from Soi 21 entered the MRT? It's been there as long as the MRT has.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2759292]Not propaganda. Friend returned from Cambodia last Thursday. Waited in line 90 minutes at Suvarnabhumi.[/QUOTE]I arrived in Thailand about a week ago.

I had access to fast track so was through to baggage claim in no time, but it looked like a very long line for the have not's.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2759343]You seem to have a very loud and negative opinion on everything at Tim Timms.

It's not realistic to give prices as they vary greatly by the deals the customer can get and the time of year.

Just relax and go with the flow.

And BTW.

Adelphi Suites is currently 3400 baht or US $90 a night, not $140, at least that is my price on [URL]booking.com[/URL].

It's up there, as it is at a high season pricing right now, like all hotels.

In low season it was down around 1300-1500 baht, exceptional value.

It is recommended by me and others because even at 3000 plus baht a night it has great convenience, service, and facilities.

Girl friendly, great swimming pool, very comfortable beds and rooms, car parking (important to me) and a great location.

As to Red Planet if you want a broom closet go right ahead, 14 square meters at 1000 baht per night..[/QUOTE]My views are Skewed.

Why post to say YouGoBoy.

I like to challenge. More Fun. Get people to respond.

If someone claims Hot Girls available at 1 k. I'm asking questions. Hahaha. Fully knowing it's Hogs at Wash time.

Nov. Dec. 2022.

Nothing near $90 at delphi suites.

On [URL]Booking.com[/URL].

Hahaha. More propaganda.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2759401]I didn't know it was possible to cross Soi 21 through an underground passage. As far as I know the escalator down just after the exit from Asoke BTS station only leads to the MRT.
But I could be wrong. Where does this underground passage 'surface' on the Soi Cowboy side of Soi 21?[/QUOTE]The Asoke BTS station escalator goes down towards the MRT entrance. To get on an MRT train you take the escalator downstairs and turn left to the ticket booth and trains. Walk 10 seconds straight ahead instead of turning left. You'll find escalators that will take you upstairs to soi Asoke aka Soi 21. These escalators will drop you off on soi Asoke next to Citibank (between the Citibank and Soi Cowboy). The Asoke BTS station also has a covered walkway you can use to cross Asoke). Very convenient if you are going to Soi 23 and want to avoid Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759541]Nov. Dec. 2022.

Nothing near $90 at delphi suites.

On [URL]Booking.com[/URL].

Hahaha. More propaganda.[/QUOTE]What can I say.

You're clearly just a pleb when it comes to traveling.

Here is a screenshot taken just now of my [URL]booking.com[/URL] request to reserve a room.

Using the app on my phone.

One night, studio room, 13-14 December 3436 baht.

[QUOTE=KingAmir;2759272]I came to Bangkok in 2018 when insanity was open.

Today the nightclub is closed and I am looking for other nightclubs.

Do you have any good nightclub to offer me, please?[/QUOTE]Are you sure; Insanity moved from opposite Thermea (I guess from Soi 14/16 on the side of the Sheraton) to Soi 11 on the end and just before Fraser Suites probably around your last visit en today.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759541]Nov. Dec. 2022.

Nothing near $90 at delphi suites.

On [URL]Booking.com[/URL].

Hahaha. More propaganda.[/QUOTE]Stay away from that hotel, you will hate it, horrible place (555} it's definitely not for cheap Charlie's and bad attitude customers, and reservations are made by people that actually travel and not live in moms basement! Hope this helps bud! Safe travels, if it ever gets that far bud!

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2759343]You seem to have a very loud and negative opinion on everything at Tim Timms.

It's not realistic to give prices as they vary greatly by the deals the customer can get and the time of year.

Just relax and go with the flow.

And BTW.

Adelphi Suites is currently 3400 baht or US $90 a night, not $140, at least that is my price on [URL]booking.com[/URL].

It's up there, as it is at a high season pricing right now, like all hotels.

In low season it was down around 1300-1500 baht, exceptional value.

It is recommended by me and others because even at 3000 plus baht a night it has great convenience, service, and facilities..[/QUOTE]Sounds like he will fit right inn red planet.

Same with USAsg site, you're unable to search with two words or more. Has anyone stayed at Sukhumvit Suites before? I saw some YT vids about it, but would like to know if anyone has experienced this hotel personally. TIA!

SF.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2759653]What can I say.

You're clearly just a pleb when it comes to traveling.

Here is a screenshot taken just now of my [URL]booking.com[/URL] request to reserve a room.

Using the app on my phone.

One night, studio room, 13-14 December 3436 baht.[/QUOTE]We are both right. Hahaha. On the main rate page it shows $158.

But when you click reserve the $93 rate does show up.

You should let them know, match the Calendar rate to the actual rate.

If I was GM heads would roll.

I went the extra mile and checked Adelphis Webiste. About $125.

Take it bro. Before they put correct price up.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2756200]

By this point I've been in Bangkok for over 2 weeks, took some time off from the hobbying to recover. There's no way having the wonder pill in my system everyday for 2 weeks plus alcohol plus my old man medications can be healthy. Feeling ok, plenty of good food and a metric ton of tourism out of the way, I bravely plowed on with the sex for hobbying day 12.[/QUOTE]Just must say how incredible your reports are. I visited BKK ages ago, and wasn't going back anytime soon, but now I kind of want to. Tons of useful intel; hell, a newbie can build a trip itinerary from these reports. Kudos!

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2756200]Day 11:

Had the single greatest meal I've ever had in my life. I love this place. Same chicken place I talked about on Day 10. Anyway, for today I thought I'd try something different, or at least experience a different part of town. Stopped by Thaniya and Patpong to see what the fuss is all about. Eh, it's ok. Finally found the world famous Black Pagoda. This is the very same place that was featured on a documentary about prostitution, can't remember the name of the documentary, but it focuses on the lives of prostitutes in Thailand, India and Mexico. And just the fact that the way Black Pagoda is built, a glass bridge between 2 buildings overseeing the whole area, one has to experience it at least once..[/QUOTE]This info will be extremely useful when I visit in Jan so thank you NY. If you don't mind me asking, what was the average damage for a 90 min session? I'm sure the price varied with the girls and shops.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759541]Nov. Dec. 2022.

Nothing near $90 at delphi suites.

On [URL]Booking.com[/URL].

Hahaha. More propaganda.[/QUOTE]Ray Charles, or Stevie wonder? Come on man, book a flight at least!

I just saw this one was open again.

Dynasty Grande Hotel on Soi 6.

It used to be my go to place, before covid came and closed it.

Which was when I found and moved to Adelphi Suites.

And its just 2000 baht per night at the moment.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2759682]Sounds like he will fit right inn red planet.[/QUOTE]Allow me to chime in. I have a Genius 3 category membership with [URL]Booking.com[/URL] and just checked the Adelphi rates for December 3-4. The price was $87 with the genius discounts included. This price also includes taxes and fees. Booking provides you with greater discounts depending on how much you use their app so there is a genius 2 and 3 category. If you have never used Booking, then the rate would be higher with no discounts.

I have also been told the [URL]Booking.com[/URL] buys rooms in blocks from hotels and sets the rate depending on demand. This is the reason you can no longer go in to a larger or mid sized hotel and negotiate the rates with the front desk. It's no longer there's to sell.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2759845]Allow me to chime in. I have a Genius 3 category membership with [URL]Booking.com[/URL] and just checked the Adelphi rates for December 3-4. The price was $87 with the genius discounts included. This price also includes taxes and fees. Booking provides you with greater discounts depending on how much you use their app so there is a genius 2 and 3 category. If you have never used Booking, then the rate would be higher with no discounts.

I have also been told the [URL]Booking.com[/URL] buys rooms in blocks from hotels and sets the rate depending on demand. This is the reason you can no longer go in to a larger or mid sized hotel and negotiate the rates with the front desk. It's no longer there's to sell.[/QUOTE]In my experience Agoda is always the cheapest booking app, cheaper than [URL]booking.com[/URL] as well.

Adelphi comes up for under $100 in Nov and around $70 in Dec. Having said that the rates vary by day and spike on the weekends.

Hotel rates of course go up in high season which is why I go to Thailand outside of it, just better value.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2758871]Imagine how many people don't post because they are afraid of being told RTFF.[/QUOTE]I'm worried about just the opposite. Now if their post is an FR, an FR doesn't generate RTFF / UTFSE replies. It generates good will as it's a CONTRIBUTION. Likewise, if it's an answer to a question, answers don't generate RTFF / UTFSE replies. It's questions that have ALREADY been answered, especially in the previous (arbitrary number) 10 pages that generate such. Just imagine the page after page of: How do I find 19-21 year olds? How much to pay? Where should I go to see hot ladies?, etc, etc, etc. (The horror, the horror).

Now, if you've bothered to read the last 10 pages, you'll see that when an FR poster mistook Soi 7/1 for Soi Cowboy, several members corrected him (one even gave a specific example of how to get to Soi Cowboy). There was no RTFF / UTFSE replies.

Another asked where Thermae was, [B]BUT[/B] he also added some words to show that he'd tried to find the answer. He knew it was near the Ruamchitt Hotel. Didn't see any RTFF / UTFSE replies in the answer; the answer even included a picture of the entrance. So NOT ALL questions receive a RTFF / UTFSE.

Finally, if people are SO sensitive they can't withstand a breath of heat, a bit of criticism, then they should wait as it seems pointless to monger until they grow a pair. Oh, I just wish this thread was a happy place [S]...[/S].

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2759410]I arrived in Thailand about a week ago.

I had access to fast track so was through to baggage claim in no time, but it looked like a very long line for the have not's.[/QUOTE]Arrived Suvarnabhumi airport on a fully packed A380,23:00 Saturday. Given I'm [I]back of the bus[/I], I'm one of the last people off. Then it's hiking through [I]Bring a Lunch[/I] Suvarnabhumi and, as posted earlier, even with the moving walkways, it's a long walk. (3 years ago, flying first class turned in all my miles, and due to construction, no golf cart to take me to departure gate, had to walk. Passed a sign that said my departure arm was [B]750 m[/B] away that's of a click). Pack a lunch.

Followed the signs toward immigration. Then, first branch visa on arrival split from the stream, their own path. Some standing counters with application forms on them. Need your own photo (at least one, maybe 2), but if you didn't have, there is a photo booth. I continued on towards immigration.

2nd split was fast track. I'm not one of those so continued on to the "original" immigration. 3 years ago, the switch-backed queue was full from front to back. Now, switchback queue empty. A younger person might have been able to duck walk straight through under the straps, but I just did the back and forth, back and forth, back and forth [S]...[/S] Small queue at the front QUICKLY dispatched to the various immigration stations. Each station had 3, no more than 4, people waiting. 2 people in front of me at my station. Unlike most every other arrival, this time I didn't have anyone in front of me who had [I]problems[/I], language, paperwork, whatever, so station queue processed quickly.

I had an e-visa, so when it was my turn, I handed the officer my passport, a hard-copy of my e-visa, and my boarding pass (for flight info). [B]He[/B] did all the paperwork; there are [B]NO[/B] landing cards or customs forms. (3 years ago, on my landing card, you had to enter in where you were staying. So I put the name of the place. Officer demanded I complete the next line, address. I didn't know, and besides, you know how long addresses are here: it's the main street, followed by the soi, then the sub-district, district, phase of the moon [S]...[/S] It became clear that I couldn't progress until that line was completed. So I used a hotel name and address that I'd used a decade before. Line completed, bureaucracy satisfied, go ahead). [B]Now[/B], the next step is biometric data: right 4 fingers, left 4 fingers, 2 thumbs, remove mask for face photo, and you're in.

Then to baggage claim. As I remember, getting off the plane, there was an electronic sign with the baggage carousal number displayed. Anyway, I'm not psychic but I did know the number so saw it somewhere, maybe at the start of the jetway. Of course, on going downstairs, I was at carousal 6, mine was 23. Bring a snack. Bags coming off quickly, but mine was one of the last, even with its priority tag (late arrival of incoming flight at transit airport; luckily, they held the Bangkok flight for 30 minutes). Got my bags, and then the biggest struggle. Unlike Incheon, Korea, where the free airport WI-fi was a simple click on the network and join, in Thailand, not so easy, at least for me. Selected the network, then a webpage with a number of fields to complete (name, e-mail; so that's how they pay for "free", e-mail harvesting; use your nuisance e-mail address), then a number of check boxes [S]...[/S] Somewhere along the way, I lost my place and had to start again, several times. It was so not-easy, I was wondering if it was a scam to collect data. I was just about to give up when I realized I had a connection. Quick Line message to access transportation to say I was cleared. Had my passport displayed in my hand as I passed through customs; the 3 YOUNG agents in the green line seemed to be scanning but not stopping the passing stream. I didn't even break stride.

Then outside where I was hit with a blast of hot (OK, this is Thailand) and HUMID (didn't remember it being this humid at 00:10). Had to walk down from gate 8 to gate 3 for the arranged pick-up. On the way, passed the limousine "pool" with their drivers. You may snicker, but my "My pie, kap" had its usual success for the driver who was offering me a ride. In fact, all the other drivers laughed. BUT, I was left alone to continue my journey so that's a win in my book.

So, perhaps another reason to have the e-visa rather than the visa on arrival. From touchdown to waiting for ride was just over an hour, and that included the exit from the plane (LOT of people on a 380), and the hikes through the airport. The bureaucracy was quick, and I was just happy my bags had made the connection. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2759845]Allow me to chime in. I have a Genius 3 category membership with [URL]Booking.com[/URL] and just checked the Adelphi rates for December 3-4. The price was $87 with the genius discounts included. This price also includes taxes and fees. Booking provides you with greater discounts depending on how much you use their app so there is a genius 2 and 3 category. If you have never used Booking, then the rate would be higher with no discounts.

I have also been told the [URL]Booking.com[/URL] buys rooms in blocks from hotels and sets the rate depending on demand. This is the reason you can no longer go in to a larger or mid sized hotel and negotiate the rates with the front desk. It's no longer there's to sell.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the confirmation at Tomasb.

As I said earlier in the first message, it was my rate in baht, as I'm also a Genuis something or other level.

[QUOTE=StreamFlyer;2759686]Same with USAsg site, you're unable to search with two words or more. Has anyone stayed at Sukhumvit Suites before? I saw some YT vids about it, but would like to know if anyone has experienced this hotel personally. TIA!

SF.[/QUOTE]There is a separate forum for BKK Hotels which you should look at. I provided a response for you in that Bangkok Hotel forum. I would definitely recommend this hotel due to its outstanding location.

[QUOTE=Allover;2759956]There is a separate forum for BKK Hotels which you should look at. I provided a response for you in that Bangkok Hotel forum. I would definitely recommend this hotel due to its outstanding location.[/QUOTE]Or just use google to search this site rather than the Advanced Search function.

Google "site:[URL]www.internationalsexguide.nl[/URL] Sukhumvit Suites".

Cheers. G.

It is uniquely Asian logic, that when there are fewer customers, the price needs to go up.

And when some of the already decimated customers show up or close a deal, simply stay shut during the week.

The biz needs NOT to re-invent itself, but follow 101 market dynamics: more supply for less demand: price decreases.

The entire Asian sex industry will have to adapt; from massage parlors to gogo bars, from street hookers to datesite hoes, from freelancers to callgirls.

If they believe the good times are a'coming back and tourists will flood in and demand will surge, they're in for a nasty surprise: the economic crisis and inflation are only just starting to hit the West. This will become real ugly. Tourism will crater. This will not be confined to the West, but hit Korea, Japan and China. People will manage spending and traveling will take a big slump -and not for one season only!

So the sex industry should lower prices as much as possible as to attract more travellers and generate as much turnover as possible with those visiting. Instead their pricing turns everyone off and the word is "don't go; it's too expensive. ".

They can still get the word spread that it's cheap and hot in Asia. But time is not on their side!

It is uniquely Asian logic, that when there are fewer customers, the price needs to go up.

And when some of the already decimated customers show up or close a deal, simply stay shut during the week.

The biz needs NOT to re-invent itself, but follow 101 market dynamics: more supply for less demand: price decreases.

The entire Asian sex industry will have to adapt; from massage parlors to gogo bars, from street hookers to datesite hoes, from freelancers to callgirls.

If they believe the good times are a'coming back and tourists will flood in and demand will surge, they're in for a nasty surprise: the economic crisis and inflation are only just starting to hit the West. This will become real ugly. Tourism will crater. This will not be confined to the West, but hit Korea, Japan and China. People will manage spending and traveling will take a big slump -and not for one season only!

So the sex industry should lower prices as much as possible as to attract more travellers and generate as much turnover as possible with those visiting. Instead their pricing turns everyone off and the word is "don't go; it's too expensive. ".

They can still get the word spread that it's cheap and hot in Asia. But time is not on their side!

I searched this thread but couldn't find any info on BJ bars in BKK. So guys please don't shrug me off with "read prior posts!

I'd appreciate basic info on places and price range.

I landed in BKK over the weekend.

This trip was booked over 4 months back, So I had all the time to RTFF (Special Thanks to Zeyto, Thomas9, NewtonYork, Toppers) and also got onto TF to shortlist several FL's I would want to meet. I did not sign up a premium account, but you can send a message every 10 minutes with the free account. That is enough to get their Line ID and the conversations continue there. For anyone signing up new, there many freelancers here. The rates start from 1500 to 4000 for the high-end ones. If you find a profile, where there is nothing written, only has a single line with smiles, has no mention of serious relationship etc, that's what you are looking for. Also, the pictures of the girl sometimes give away if she is a FL or someone looking for LTR. I am from India and the cute, hot ones are more inclined on getting Caucasian men. But again, you have lot of options.

Be careful of the LB and Transgender here. Most of them still say they are 100% girl even when they don't look like one. My rule was to rule out anyone I have a slightest doubt on.

Day 1:

Reached BKK early morning and since I already had an E-visa, the immigration was quick and I was at my Condo at 6:00 am. The property owner was fine for me to check in at 10:30 am. So dropped my bags at the security and went for a breakfast at Foodland. I used this 4 hour to walk along the Sukhumvit lanes to find out the various places, I had shortlisted. Also, messaged many FL's from TF that I have arrived.

Got into my condo at 10:30 am, unpacked, took a shower, and went for a much-needed Foot massage on Soi 8. Then moved towards Wood bar for also much needed BJ. I was there around 2 PM and the line-up was just average. Took a smiling girl who was not skinny but had a cute face and nice natural rack. She said her name was Phraw or something that sounds like that. She was sweet and gave a good blow with lots of ball licking / sucking. 800 THB at the counter and tipped her 200 THB. It was a good session to start the trip. Went back to my condo, had lunch, and slept until 7 PM.

Visited Nana around 11 pm and it's certainly not like before. Probably because it was a Monday? Visited couple of places but none were great. One thing surprised me was I was let in on couple all the Rainbow's which I remember was restricted just to the whites. Probably the effect of slow business due to Covid? They want anyone and everyone to come have a drink to make up for the losses?

Finally headed to Butterflies on 2nd floor. I ordered 1 Heineken, and I was given 2!! I asked the mamasan she showed me the receipt that was showing 160 THB. Buy 1 get one 1 free? Really? How I wish that was true for barfining a girl too. LOL.

Had my eyes on one of the slender one and with long hair. She noticed me smiling at her and the next minute she is sitting next to me. She was nice and her name was Sanook. Ordered her 2 LD's. She was a great kisser, and I had a good time. She wanted me to bar fine her, but I already had a meeting with one of the FL's from TH. So told her next time.

As I was exiting Nana, the TH FL sent me a line that she cannot make it today as she had some personal problem. Now I didn't want to go back alone, so checked out the FL's over the stretch of Soi 4. The quality was not that great, so headed towards Thermai. Reached Thermai around 12:45 and it was deserted. Nothing like what I had seen 2 years ago. I guess the good ones were taken early and I was there late. Bought a drink and did the usual stroll. There were some good-looking ones, but they were busy with their phones. As a rule of thumb, they aren't the ones you want to take with you even if they are model material. There was this girl who had this typical schoolgirl kinda look. I took a seat in front of her. There was a smile exchanged when we looked at each other, though I felt she was a little apprehensive. I called her to come over and asked her name. She was Katt, 24 years and had a day job. She said 2500 for ST and I said let's go. She looked surprised that I didn't bargain which she later admitted that from her previous experience, people from the subcontinent always bargain. Back in my condo, she was a GFE. She had this cute face, no braces and milky white skin. Gave an amazing BJ, DFK and she said No to nothing. I took her Line ID and will certainly repeat her before I go back.

It was great day to start the trip. There were so many shops selling weed. I bought 2 joints from a street vendor outside NEP for 100 THB and it was shit. I will buy some from the genuine looking shops and expecting them to be better. Day 2 would be meeting a TH FL during the day and smoking some Sheesha at night with another lady I befriended on TH.

If you're expecting a "Just the facts, Mam", Sgt Joe Friday style (MATURE Americans will understand the reference), a wham-bam-thank-you-mam FR, it won't be here. My style is a rambling, meandering route to the destination.

Day 1.

OK, first things first. Boots now firmly on the ground after 5.5 hours of sleep. First stop [S]...[/S] wait for it [S]... ...[/S] wait for it [S]...[/S] the DENTIST (Yes, I can hear the snickers, but just wait [S]...[/S] or don't get old). Have some extremely nice modern ones here, and it's a BIG thing because I hate going to the dentist (think Marathon Man. That was a HORROR movie for me). Like car repair, damage assessed, estimate given, plan agreed to. Done there for THIS day, so next stop [S]...[/S] is an ATM. It is P4[B]P[/B] after all. Cash in hand, next stop is [S]...[/S] the (I say sky train, you say BTS, I'm old school). Problem with adding to my Rabbit card. It's expired (not really a surprise). It's 100 baht for the new card, but the clerk uses most of the remaining balance from the old card. Then, bless his heart, he transfers the remaining all of 33 baht to the new card, having difficulties along the way, but he soldiers on. I feel sorry for him, it's only 33 baht, and I really feel sorry for the people in the queue behind me. Add 1000 baht to the card; the convenience is just too great. Now, down to Asoke. Start walking Sukhumvit, odd side, towards the lower soi's. On to [S]...[/S] a pharmacy (SouthEast pharmacy) on Sukhumvit between Soi 15-13, just a couple of shops down from Soi 15. Been shopping there for decades for all pharmaceuticals; now I need some yellow pills. Any pharmaceuticals I put in my body will come from a pharmacy, not street. More expensive, but, that way, if I explode, my next-of-kin can sue. Then [S]...[/S]Foodland, Soi 5, curious if they still carry a Bangkok Post newspaper (obviously dating myself). Seems they don't. Foodland has quality fresh food, meat, seafood, shellfish, plus other fixings, along with western food and, for me, western snacks and drinks. Have to stock the frig, but that will wait till later. Normally, I'd eat at the lunch counter, but I have places to go, things to do, so skip. Next stop in to the Beer Garden for old times sake, just for a look-see. There is one barmaid there that I've seen for a decade, cute, curious if she's survived the pandemic. I am FLOORED. 12:30, and the garden is empty, NO customers, 3 waitresses present. In years past, WHATEVER the hour, gents would be there for a drink or something to eat. Stunned; will have to go back later in the day and see what's what. At that early hour, with my stroll along Sukhumvit, any possible street walkers, well, I wouldn't do them with YOUR dick.

Then take the sky train back to Asoke (yes, lazy, but have to conserve my energy, and the humidity is killing me). Underground passage to cross Asoke, then walk through Soi Cowboy. At that hour obviously nothing going on. Want to check out Soi 23, just to see the outside [I]stock[/I] available. In the 2nd block, several shops open, girls sitting in front. Certainly a couple of possibles, but I just keep on walking, not paying any attention to the laminated price lists waved in front of me. In the 3rd block, couple more shops open and again, couple of potentials. And again, I just keep walking. Reach the intersection, about face, and return, verifying the potentials, but keep marching on.

Now, if you're thinking I'm stalling, you're correct. I've debated if I should message a special [I]friend[/I] or surprise her. I'm hoping she's at the shop, but, if not, that Rabbit card will take me anywhere. It's a LONG walk to her place. I walk in and am greeted with a BIG smile, a BIG and long hug, and a DFK (advantage of seeing a dentist, my mouth was antiseptically clean). I'm actually pushing her away, trying to disentangle myself. WTF? Let me put it this way, my shirt is SOAKING wet, and it hasn't rained today. I explain my reason, and she points in the direction of the shower. I take a shower (alone), though she does check to see if I'm ok. My legs might have been a bit wobbly, but had more to do with the anticipation of her than with the walk. Her massage appreciated; the real GFE more so. We shower together, and my legs are still wobbly, and it's not from the walk. She does ask me to message her before my next visit, which I take to mean she wants to be fresh and available. From her perspective, it's probably she wants to make sure there are no conflicts and possible she doesn't want to be seen with me. It is business after all.

REDACTED.

That water hole I keep for myself. I like it's [I]uncluttered[/I] nature, bad for the [I]water[/I], good for ME (yes, I am selfish). All I can say is, get off the beaten, well worn path and find your own. The walks will be healthy, and there is nothing like the thrill of discovery.

OK, MAJOR decision: do I take the scenic route (sky train) OR the more direct route (sky train + MRT) to Patpong during the late afternoon. You see there ARE traditions I keep. First shot is always at the SOL, but obviously I'm not a fanatic about it. And I want to do an equipment check, see how many shots are in the [I]magazine[/I] of the ole [I]rife[/I]. Sky train it is, checking out any changes in the skyline, with the transfer at Siam, and I remember correctly to go downstairs for the switch. Get off at Sala Dong (sp, isn't that room dick in Italian?) Walk along Silom. My reference landmarks are gone. No sign of the "been-there-forever" luggage shop on the corner of Silome and Patpong 2. Walk right past Patpong 1. A block or 2 down I realize I've made a mistake, get out google maps, and see my mistake.

Back to Patpong 1. Not that I have any business there, but, for OLD times sake, I want to check out the Rose bar. Certainly NOT going upstairs to the bar itself, but just to see if the door's open. Back in the mid-90's, the Rose was [I]fun[/I], but the decline has been [U]steep[/U]. On a previous visit, I actually saw two GHOSTS there. Well, the two MATURE, rail-thin caretakers, in floor length white shifts, looked like ghosts. The manager said I could take her, or, if I preferred, the bartender. I paid for my beer and a lady drink I didn't recall authorizing, and escaped. Though, looking back, kind of like that horror movie you walked out on because it was too frightening, sometimes I think what would I have seen if I had stayed [S]...[/S] Still, my eyeballs thank me.

I then proceed to the short alley, turn right, and head for [S]...[/S] wait for it [S]... ...[/S] Foodland. WTF? Well, 2 reasons. 1) I want to check to see if they have my favorite cookies and / or dried apple slices. 2) But the MAIN reason I'm there is to build up the ANTICIPATION [S]...[/S] Like a little kid who's waited for the major blockbuster movie, now he's in the cinema, sitting in his seat, and the lights are beginning to dim [S]...[/S] [B]THAT[/B] anticipation of the adventure about to begin [S]...[/S] . I prolong the anticipation by having a drink at the Foodland restaurant.

I exit Foodland, walk the few meters to the "elbow", turn right, and catch my first sight in 3 years of SOL. I've been curious as to if it's open, if there are any ladies sitting outside, and, if so, how many and in what [I]condition[/I]. SOME traditions must be kept, for this [I]mud hound[/I], first [I]shot[/I] is always a BJ at Patpong (well, NOW, not STRICKLY adhered to, still [S]...[/S] traditions are important).

To quote Casablanca, "I'm shocked, SHOCKED" by what I see. No table or chairs outside, certainly no ladies. And (the horror, the horror), there are 2 large pieces of plywood across the door. Now I'm not saying they were permanent, but gravity still exists there. I am sadly disappointed at the possible passing of an institution, but I keep going. You see, SOL is actually an alternate target. I walk a bit further, and with heart beating (hey, it's a long walk from Sala Dong to where I am now), up the stairs to [S]...[/S]The World. Will it be open, will there be some providers [S]...[/S] In previous years, it's always been SOL, but 3 years ago, [I]discovered[/I] The World, a bar so old, I've heard it was here during the Vietnam war. 3 years ago, less selection than SOL, but better ambiance.

Except I don't see it. I turn right, walk to the end, no World. Another institution dead? Say it ain't so, Joe. I slowly walk back, carefully checking each shop. Nope, not here. I look to the other end, and from my understanding, that's the [I]alternate[/I] life, nothing wrong with it, just NOT for me. But I am persistent, so I walk to that end. And lo and behold, there's the World, correctly "Meet the World".

Door's open, lights are on. It's 16:00. It's been 3 years so, before crossing that threshold (literally), I want to establish my bonafides, so I say, "Singha, still 100 baht?" Answer is "for you, special, yes. " I enter, take a seat at the bar. 4 ladies in uniform (2 younger, 1 middle, and 1 older), bartender, an additional female in [I]civvies[/I]. Beer served, I ask for a condom. WTF? In a BJ bar? Am I crazy? Hey, it's a condom for the [U]BEER[/U][S]...[/S].

I make small talk with the bartender. The 4 [I]moths[/I] have gathered around the [I]light[/I], massaging neck, shoulders, arms, but all [I]above board[/I]. Now I HAVE done my homework, making careful note of [B]Thomas9[/B]'s great FR. Time to collect some intel: How much for a lady drink? 150 baht. How many in the bar? 6 ladies (4 in uniform, bartender, grandma). Usual scene, lights dimmed, 60's-70's music tape started, curtain pulled fully closed. I use the RTFF info gleaned from reading [B]Thomas9[/B]'s FR to predict the future. More chit-chat with the bartender, still only upper body massage. Intel gathered, time to get things moving. So, to splurge, or is that to splooge, I make a great show of looking around, left and right, up and down [S]...[/S] I'm sure they're all thinking WTF? I say, "Where's the bell?" The ladies scream in delight. I get off the stool to go ring, but one of the moth's has beaten me to it, rung it herself. When I tell her thanks, since she's rung the bell, she's buying, the look of horror on her face is priceless. I ring the bell, more screams. I return to my stool. And [S]...[/S] [S]...[/S] nothing. Lady drinks are poured, passed around. Back with the massages. Hmmmm. This is UNEXPECTED. I might be old, but I'm NOT dead. I ask how much for a BJ (I know the answer). 1000. Hmmm, what happened to 800? OK, for you, 800. (Asking and accepted pricing). Now, it's like a scene from Das Boot. ALARM, ALARM [S]...[/S] The hatch is sealed (door locked), and the ladies jump into their battle gear which, for 2, is their birthday suits, and for 2 others, panties only (don't know why). One suggests we move to the couch (the benches do seem bigger than I remember from 3 years ago), and the bartender offers me a free beer. Appreciated.

We move to the couch / bench. Hands are busy undressing me, but you'd think that experienced ladies would know you don't remove the pants BEFORE the shoes, it just doesn't work when you don't. I explain the problem. Shoes off, shirt, pants, underwear off, and I'm now in MY battle gear. Swarmed by the [I]moths[/I], they're in a frenzy. Hands, mouths, boobs everywhere. Now it may seem foolish to be DFKing BJ bar ladies, but I'm of the "Damn the torpedoes, FULL speed ahead" mindset. Girls are doing a great assembly RL 1 [I]instruction[/I] (rotate left 1), each taking some time to display her oral skills, then shifting to work on my chest or mouth while another shifts down from chest to crotch. The 4th is accessing whatever she can reach, still in the rotation. Boobs groped, nipples flicked (theirs, not mine). With some finger wandering (mine) one seems to be getting quite wet, or maybe she's lubed up when my vision was [I]obscured[/I]. It's all great fun. Several times I say "shaw, shaw" (slowly, slowly) and my wish heeded. One works on my balls while another on Rupert, the one eyed trouser snake. Eventually Rupert spits, and the chosen one opens her mouth to show success, then runs off to the sink to spit (small tissues used to spit intermediate saliva, but seems the main course is still destined for sink only). The other girls continue with the upper body and face sucking. Finally, the [I]swarm[/I] breaks up, and everyone starts looking for their clothes. I move back to the bar stool, beer in hand, [I]moths[/I] follow. I get each of their names for future reference. I explain that the 4 on 1 scrum is a one-of, next time it'll be a single girl, and I know which one. I won't post names here. Just visit and pick the [I]poison[/I] of YOUR choice. Ask for damages. Bartender is busy on calculator, but I've already worked out in my head (thank you 3rd grade teacher). She confirms: 1 beer, 100 baht, + (6*150 lady drinks), + (4*800 BJ) = 4200. I pay with 5 1,000's, ask for 300 back. Hey, worth it TO ME, and I, like Douglas MacArthur, will return.

To those that say why bother with run-of-the-mill ladies rather than stunners, fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. Certainly Meet the World is not for everyone. But sometimes men just want to have fun [S]...[/S].

Mission accomplished, I take the direct MRT back to Sukhumvit, taking the opportunity to top up my Metro card. Again, expired, and again, 100 baht to renew, but here, no new card required, so the 100 baht taken from the remaining balance. 1000 baht on the card, clerk seems a bit surprised and asks me to confirm. I do; again, it's the convenience.

At Asoke, sadly, one [I]death[/I] to report. The Dunkin Donuts stand at the base of the sky train escalators is RIP. Bummer, so convenient.

Later, on the RTB, walking down Soi 55, I experience a miracle. At a marked crosswalk, painted on street, but [B]NO[/B] traffic light, I wait for a gap in the near side traffic and cross to the middle. Standing there, I'm ready, as usual, to wait for a gap in the oncoming traffic. To my SHOCK, the traffic slows, then stops, the lead bus and SUV in their respective lanes stopping. I'm thinking is this a tease: let the falang start to cross, gun the engines, and see how fast he can run? Maybe elder abuse has become a crime. Or maybe they're thinking "this stupid falang, he just MIGHT start to cross, and squashing one would require a lot of paperwork". Anyway, feeling like Moses parting the Red Sea, I cross, astounded.

And the moral of the redacted story is: This is Bangkok, the sex scene is NOT underground. You DON'T need contacts or even names (certainly a point of reference but not required). Everyone has different ideas of attractiveness, menu requirements, and as far as attitude goes, that is one-on-one dependent. So pick your venues (bars, MP's, FL's), get out, and look YOURSELF. Only YOU can say if her [I]experience[/I] is worth it to [B]YOU[/B]. One man's [I]must see[/I] is another man's [I]eh[/I]. Like Rush says, So get out there and rock and roll the bones [S]...[/S].

Note 1: As I passed the Rose bar, a mature lady and man sitting outside. She calls out, "Come to MY bar, have ladies", waving laminated folder pages with a lot of pictures. Think the typical MP sheet. Now, there is no way this could be the Rose, as even in its heyday, never that many ladies, and good looking ones at that. Simply kept on walking. Later, coming down the staircase from the World, there she was, my STALKER? The same pitch, come to my bar, have ladies. Only in the distant past could I remember 3 shots on goal in a couple of hours, so easy to ignore. Best I could imagine, she was the snare for unwary visitors.

[QUOTE=Ollie69;2760085]I searched this thread but couldn't find any info on BJ bars in BKK. So guys please don't shrug me off with "read prior posts!

I'd appreciate basic info on places and price range.[/QUOTE]Try Googling "BJ bar Bangkok" without the "'s. Just check the dates of the stories, but plenty of info there. And with the names provided in the Google search articles, you can try another search here if necessary.

[QUOTE=Ollie69;2760084]It is uniquely Asian logic, that when there are fewer customers, the price needs to go up.

And when some of the already decimated customers show up or close a deal, simply stay shut during the week.

The biz needs NOT to re-invent itself, but follow 101 market dynamics: more supply for less demand: price decreases.

The entire Asian sex industry will have to adapt; from massage parlors to gogo bars, from street hookers to datesite hoes, from freelancers to callgirls.

If they believe the good times are a'coming back and tourists will flood in and demand will surge, they're in for a nasty surprise: the economic crisis and inflation are only just starting to hit the West. This will become real ugly. Tourism will crater. This will not be confined to the West, but hit Korea, Japan and China. People will manage spending and traveling will take a big slump -and not for one season only![/QUOTE]Pre Corona. 100 girls work in an Agogo. Customer number count is 500.

Post Cirona. 50 girls work 8 n an Agogo. Customer count is 250.

Shouldn't Prices Stay the Same?

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2760249]Pre Corona. 100 girls work in an Agogo. Customer number count is 500.

Post Cirona. 50 girls work 8 n an Agogo. Customer count is 250.
[/QUOTE]Which gogo are you referring to for these numbers? Before COVID? After COVID?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2760366]Which gogo are you referring to for these numbers? Before COVID? After COVID?[/QUOTE]Rainbow 5.

They have a whiteboard by the Loom.

Keeps track of the girls. Columns of 10.

P.S. credible you tuber say Sex Pest count in Pattaya is going up.

I'm surmise some of the Millions arriving daily are Pests of Sex.

Nana should get busier and with that more Girls.

[QUOTE=Alpanico;2760153]I landed in BKK over the weekend.

This trip was booked over 4 months back, So I had all the time to RTFF (Special Thanks to Zeyto, Thomas9, NewtonYork, Toppers) and also got onto TF to shortlist several FL's I would want to meet. I did not sign up a premium account, but you can send a message every 10 minutes with the free account. That is enough to get their Line ID and the conversations continue there. For anyone signing up new, there many freelancers here. The rates start from 1500 to 4000 for the high-end ones. If you find a profile, where there is nothing written, only has a single line with smiles, has no mention of serious relationship etc, that's what you are looking for. Also, the pictures of the girl sometimes give away if she is a FL or someone looking for LTR. I am from India and the cute, hot ones are more inclined on getting Caucasian men. But again, you have lot of options.

Be careful of the LB and Transgender here. Most of them still say they are 100% girl even when they don't look like one. My rule was to rule out anyone I have a slightest doubt on.

Day 1:

Reached BKK early morning and since I already had an E-visa, the immigration was quick and I was at my Condo at 6:00 am. The property owner was fine for me to check in at 10:30 am. So dropped my bags at the security and went for a breakfast at Foodland. I used this 4 hour to walk along the Sukhumvit lanes to find out the various places, I had shortlisted. Also, messaged many FL's from TF that I have arrived.

Got into my condo at 10:30 am, unpacked, took a shower, and went for a much-needed Foot massage on Soi 8. Then moved towards Wood bar for also much needed BJ. I was there around 2 PM and the line-up was just average. Took a smiling girl who was not skinny but had a cute face and nice natural rack. She said her name was Phraw or something that sounds like that. She was sweet and gave a good blow with lots of ball licking / sucking. 800 THB at the counter and tipped her 200 THB. It was a good session to start the trip. Went back to my condo, had lunch, and slept until 7 PM.

Visited Nana around 11 pm and it's certainly not like before. Probably because it was a Monday? Visited couple of places but none were great. One thing surprised me was I was let in on couple all the Rainbow's which I remember was restricted just to the whites. Probably the effect of slow business due to Covid? They want anyone and everyone to come have a drink to make up for the losses?

Finally headed to Butterflies on 2nd floor. I ordered 1 Heineken, and I was given 2!! I asked the mamasan she showed me the receipt that was showing 160 THB. Buy 1 get one 1 free? Really? How I wish that was true for barfining a girl too. LOL.

Had my eyes on one of the slender one and with long hair. She noticed me smiling at her and the next minute she is sitting next to me. She was nice and her name was Sanook. Ordered her 2 LD's. She was a great kisser, and I had a good time. She wanted me to bar fine her, but I already had a meeting with one of the FL's from TH. So told her next time.

As I was exiting Nana, the TH FL sent me a line that she cannot make it today as she had some personal problem. Now I didn't want to go back alone, so checked out the FL's over the stretch of Soi 4. The quality was not that great, so headed towards Thermai. Reached Thermai around 12:45 and it was deserted. Nothing like what I had seen 2 years ago. I guess the good ones were taken early and I was there late. Bought a drink and did the usual stroll. There were some good-looking ones, but they were busy with their phones. As a rule of thumb, they aren't the ones you want to take with you even if they are model material. There was this girl who had this typical schoolgirl kinda look. I took a seat in front of her. There was a smile exchanged when we looked at each other, though I felt she was a little apprehensive. I called her to come over and asked her name. She was Katt, 24 years and had a day job. She said 2500 for ST and I said let's go. She looked surprised that I didn't bargain which she later admitted that from her previous experience, people from the subcontinent always bargain. Back in my condo, she was a GFE. She had this cute face, no braces and milky white skin. Gave an amazing BJ, DFK and she said No to nothing. I took her Line ID and will certainly repeat her before I go back.

It was great day to start the trip. There were so many shops selling weed. I bought 2 joints from a street vendor outside NEP for 100 THB and it was shit. I will buy some from the genuine looking shops and expecting them to be better. Day 2 would be meeting a TH FL during the day and smoking some Sheesha at night with another lady I befriended on TH.[/QUOTE]What is TH, TF? :) I read the forum and tried googling but couldn't figure out. You can PM me as well.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2760377]What is TH, TF? :) I read the forum and tried googling but couldn't figure out. You can PM me as well.[/QUOTE]Sorry, It was an error. Should have been only TF. Thai Friendly.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2760377]What is TH, TF? :) I read the forum and tried googling but couldn't figure out. You can PM me as well.[/QUOTE]Don't pay no never mind to they guy who says RTFF a lot.

Just ask questions people, don't be afraid.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2760241]Now, down to Asoke. Start walking Sukhumvit, odd side, towards the lower soi's. On to [S]...[/S] a pharmacy (SouthEast pharmacy) on Sukhumvit between Soi 15-13, just a couple of shops down from Soi 15. Been shopping there for decades for all pharmaceuticals; now I need some yellow pills. Any pharmaceuticals I put in my body will come from a pharmacy, not street. More expensive, but, that way, if I explode, my next-of-kin can sue.[/QUOTE]Do you happen to know if they have Kamagra Oral Jelly available? I only found these on the street. I asked in couple of shops but they do not have it.

Regards,

A.

Day 2:

I met the Thaifriendly FL who couldn't make it on Day 1. She came over to my condo. She was nothing like in the pictures but not bad for 1500 be short time. We had some beer while we chatted a little bit on food and the Loy Krathong Festival. Overall the session was just average probably because I had high expectations from the pictures I saw of her. She took extra time and wanted to ensure I was happy though. Next time, I would want to video call, before I confirm someone.

As planned, I wanted try this sheesha place on one of the Arab Soi's. On my way stopped at Wonderland to get a fix. The guy on the counter was nice to roll me the joints for free, I am yet to put them to test and I hope this is good stuff.

Reached the Sheesha place there was my TF contact waiting. There was her friend along with her too which was not known to me. She politely asked if she could join us too. Now this friend of hers was prettier then my contact, so why the hell not? We chatted, ate, smoked some good sheesha for over 3 hours. Got the Line of her friend too and planning to meet her in my condo. That was time well spent.

Regards,

A.

Had a very interesting experience with a Thai gal recently that I thought I'd post and wonder if anyone knows her or had similar experiences. Would be keen to share notes and get some recommendations of similar gals out there.

Was staying at Novotel near muang thong and found a small massage spa. Few OK looking gals but the manager was really cute. Unfortunately she didn't provide massages but was friendly and I chatted with her for a bit and I practiced my bad and corny Thai that made her laugh.

I asked for a recommendation for a nice restaurant and bar and she suggested one she liked. So I her if she would like to get drinks and she kind of hesitated and said she had to stay late for work the spa but I kind of said I'd be at the there and to come later.

She then surprised me by saying but could she bring her friend. I said fine.

You was surprise then she called her friend right away and said she could come in 30 minutes and 3 of them showed up. At first I was a bit disappointed but I think she just felt awkward coming alone and after her while her two friends were busy stuffing their faces and drinking all the booze I ordered. She sat next to me and chatted and had a few drinks. I ordered some nice wine which impressed her and warm ended her up and she kind of told me she was married to this Indian guy who lived in Singapore but he only came to Thailand once a month and I got the sense she was quite lonely. I wasn't pushy and let her get comfortable and after a while she was pretty drunk and we were holding hands.

I got the sense not to push it and go slow (I sensed she was worried about her friends seeing her play around). By 11 pm she was really flirty and cosying up to me and her friends were not paying attention and I tried to kiss her but she laughed and turned her cheek but didn't seem offended. Later her friends said they had to go and she didn't want to but the made her leave. She told them to go to the car and she would join them in a minute.

After they left she gave me her number and a hug and I chanced it and kissed her again and she kissed me back and we kissed for a nice minute or so and got my tongue in her mouth and she responded but the her friend came back and she left. I messaged her immediately and she messaged back from the car and I asked if I could see her and she asked where I was staying and said she would come by for a drink. Waited in the lobby for her and she came by an hour later just when I was giving up hope. Long story short I ended up fucking her all night long (in between calls from her hubby).

Can share details and her contact if anyone keen but frankly was not the typical Bangkok experience and lot of work but really something much better than I expected.

Would love to know if anyone has had similar experiences. I think there's quite a few girls in bkk in similar situations and would love to explore that.

One of friend visited Thailand last month and some scenes unfolded which I thought would be a good to read for you all.

1. A big company offered their retail business clients trip to Thailand as a compensation for achieving goals or turnover whatever. My friend is the only young guy anyway some guys might be in 40's went on to bars got the money of course so drank like there's no tomorrow. Since too drunk can't figure out which FL to take so they see some beauty as per their opinion and got her to his room. Initially all went good but as soon as both pants down there were two dicks now this guy is pissed because why the FL didn't tell him of being LB. He hit her bad and while still she is naked in the lobby he is abusing and hitting her. Soon his friends came took him out to room while apologized to the FL and gave her money and clothes. She went out crying badly.

2. Two guys went to bar area drank some. One guy was good so got a FL and coming to hotel in a tuk-tuk or rickshaw whatever they are called. The guy who got FL started kissing her on the way, the other guy who is his friend gets pissed and slaps him saying "why the hell are you kissing her in front of me?" Three of get down soon and the FL slapped the guy who got her. Beaten by friend and FL what a time for the boy. Both were in civil war during the whole 3-4 days.

I mean I guess these instances makes us Indians look bad. I mean these people almost made had a turnover of 5-10 crore INR annually. Because of free flights and stay for over a week does that make them cheap?

Best way is to respect and get respected I feel so.

CLxd.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2760377]What is TH, TF? :) I read the forum and tried googling but couldn't figure out. You can PM me as well.[/QUOTE]You should have been able to find it:

TH = Thai / Thailand or anything related to it.

TF. ThaiFriendly: [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/browse.php[/URL] a site for dating but filled with freelancers.

Hi there anyone has experience with semi pros? I just had an unexpected and amazing one and would love to see if there are more. Hapoy to share contacts / experience.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2760377]What is TH, TF? :) I read the forum and tried googling but couldn't figure out. You can PM me as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Downandup;2760435]You should have been able to find it:

TH = Thai / Thailand or anything related to it.

TF. ThaiFriendly: [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/browse.php[/URL] a site for dating but filled with freelancers.[/QUOTE]Sorry Downandup but you're wrong. The original poster Alpanico obviously mistakenly typed TH when he clearly meant TF.

[QUOTE=Newphanjon;2760436]Hi there anyone has experience with semi pros? I just had an unexpected and amazing one and would love to see if there are more. Hapoy to share contacts / experience.[/QUOTE]Pretty much every girl in Thailand who doesn't actively work in a bar, massage, gogo etc. , could be considered a semi pro.

You flatter them, take them out, to dinner etc, you never discuss a payment.

But you leave them some spending money afterwards, or even give them money beforehand to do something, travel, event etc. , and are paid back later with a catchup (sex included).

Is your amazing one somewhat different?

You got played. Big time.

[QUOTE=Alpanico;2760386]Do you happen to know if they have Kamagra Oral Jelly available? I only found these on the street. I asked in couple of shops but they do not have it.

Regards,

A.[/QUOTE]Can't say for sure, but I'd doubt it. I've always taken the jelly to be [I]alternative[/I], more like a herbal medicine rather than mainstream.

[QUOTE=CreedXlxd;2760417]One of friend visited Thailand last month and some scenes unfolded which I thought would be a good to read for you all.

1. A big company offered their retail business clients trip to Thailand as a compensation for achieving goals or turnover whatever. My friend is the only young guy anyway some guys might be in 40's went on to bars got the money of course so drank like there's no tomorrow. Since too drunk can't figure out which FL to take so they see some beauty as per their opinion and got her to his room. Initially all went good but as soon as both pants down there were two dicks now this guy is pissed because why the FL didn't tell him of being LB. He hit her bad and while still she is naked in the lobby he is abusing and hitting her. Soon his friends came took him out to room while apologized to the FL and gave her money and clothes. She went out crying badly.

2. Two guys went to bar area drank some. One guy was good so got a FL and coming to hotel in a tuk-tuk or rickshaw whatever they are called. The guy who got FL started kissing her on the way, the other guy who is his friend gets pissed and slaps him saying "why the hell are you kissing her in front of me?" Three of get down soon and the FL slapped the guy who got her. Beaten by friend and FL what a time for the boy. Both were in civil war during the whole 3-4 days.

I mean I guess these instances makes us Indians look bad. I mean these people almost made had a turnover of 5-10 crore INR annually. Because of free flights and stay for over a week does that make them cheap?

Best way is to respect and get respected I feel so.

CLxd.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, the ole cliche is true: one bad apple can spoil the barrel. Certain nationalities have a bad rep for abuse, so a number of girls will not go with them. I agree with you as far as the respect. Remember, you're a guest and visitor, she's [I]home[/I]. And behavior like this is why [I]pay after[/I] is not accepted by some.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2760528]Unfortunately, the ole cliche is true: one bad apple can spoil the barrel. Certain nationalities have a bad rep for abuse, so a number of girls will not go with them. I agree with you as far as the respect. Remember, you're a guest and visitor, she's [I]home[/I]. And behavior like this is why [I]pay after[/I] is not accepted by some.[/QUOTE]Not one Bad Apple bro. Millions.

No offense but Pattaya business owners were not exactly thrilled when they showed up en masses recently.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2760241]My style is a rambling, meandering route to the destination.[/QUOTE]When I first saw the length of this trip report I was tempted to declare it TLDR and keep scrolling. But I gave it a chance and was rewarded with a very entertaining read. So knowing I'm passing along a Navy compliment to a guy who's probably former Army: BRAVO ZULU.

[URL]https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/t/terminology-and-nomenclature/bravo-zulu.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2760477]Pretty much every girl in Thailand who doesn't actively work in a bar, massage, gogo etc. , could be considered a semi pro.

You flatter them, take them out, to dinner etc, you never discuss a payment.

But you leave them some spending money afterwards, or even give them money beforehand to do something, travel, event etc. , and are paid back later with a catchup (sex included).

Is your amazing one somewhat different?[/QUOTE]Not sure but felt diff from the pros I have had there (I've only had pros in bkk so far). She initially wasn't interested and point blank refused to do a massage even though I offered quite a bit of money. But after we chatted at her spa for a bit and made her laugh she got friendly and agreed to come out. At the restaurant too she took some time but then when she got drunk she got flirty. Also sex was different. Took a bit of push and pull and finally when she got into it she really fucked like a crazy girl. Super horny and wet the sheets. Almost did it without a condom and she stayed the night which all is diff from pros. Anyway like I said my first experience with a semi pro so maybe this is the usual scene. She was very pretty though and spoke decent English. Was a great experience and ended up pretty cheap given we had diner and spent the night together. Happy to share if anyone knows other gals like this.

This is a little old, but should help.

Now Post what You Find?

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1JsytdNc-5HFJnH8bOOuoHxREvG0&ll=13.735248693011492%2C100.54846555000002&z=16[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ollie69;2760085]I searched this thread but couldn't find any info on BJ bars in BKK. So guys please don't shrug me off with "read prior posts!

I'd appreciate basic info on places and price range.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewPhanjon;2760729]Not sure but felt diff from the pros I have had there (I've only had pros in bkk so far). She initially wasn't interested and point blank refused to do a massage even though I offered quite a bit of money. But after we chatted at her spa for a bit and made her laugh she got friendly and agreed to come out. At the restaurant too she took some time but then when she got drunk she got flirty. Also sex was different. Took a bit of push and pull and finally when she got into it she really fucked like a crazy girl. Super horny and wet the sheets. Almost did it without a condom and she stayed the night which all is diff from pros. Anyway like I said my first experience with a semi pro so maybe this is the usual scene. She was very pretty though and spoke decent English. Was a great experience and ended up pretty cheap given we had diner and spent the night together. Happy to share if anyone knows other gals like this.[/QUOTE]A gogo girl works one day a month and gets barfined 4 times. She actually goes to College and is quite Pretty.

Is she a pro or pro semi.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2760870]A gogo girl works one day a month and gets barfined 4 times. She actually goes to College and is quite Pretty.

Is she a pro or pro semi.[/QUOTE]Good question. I say pro as it's pretty clear you can bar fine her. Semi pro in IMHO would be someone who doesn't normally work in sex trade but can be convinced occasionally to fuck for some gift. But you make a good point. It's really a personal experience thing.

[QUOTE=Alpanico;2760386]Do you happen to know if they have Kamagra Oral Jelly available? I only found these on the street. I asked in couple of shops but they do not have it.

Regards,

A.[/QUOTE]Some have it, some don't.

And if they do have Kamagra gels, it is the "exactly" the same product and same source of supply as that carried by vendors on the street.

As there is no legal supply of Kamagra into Thailand at all.

It is all grey shipments from India.

So why pay more?

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2760870]A gogo girl works one day a month and gets barfined 4 times. She actually goes to College and is quite Pretty.

Is she a pro or pro semi.[/QUOTE]She is neither.

She's just a Thai girl making ends meet doing an occupation she enjoys or can tolerate that pays well enough.

If you want to put labels on them, then go ahead.

But you will then most likely treat them like your label.

And get treated like a label back (monger, cheap charlie, whatever).

Treat them as people and get a much better response.

State of current Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza Agogos.

Stickman. October 9.

Go down to Related News Articles. Near the bottom.

A guy wrote on his 3 day visit.

Exactly what I see / saw on my 3 post COVID visits.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2760522]Can't say for sure, but I'd doubt it. I've always taken the jelly to be [I]alternative[/I], more like a herbal medicine rather than mainstream.[/QUOTE]Kamagra is mainstream, it is the brand name for sildenafil (viagra ingredient) products made by one of the largest reputable drug businesses in India, Ajanta Pharma.

The gel is just a different delivery mechanism for the drug, one that works faster for absorption and benefits to be seen.

I had an evening in Bangkok ahead of my flight so decided to stop by a few of my old haunts and try a couple of new venues. I haven't been to Bangkok since 2019 so I was curious to see if things have returned to normal since covid. I am glad to report that everything is indeed back to full swing.

So at around 6 pm on a Monday, my first stop was at a new (ish) massage shop called Ola Ola that I read about online. The reviews said it was a new clean place with high level of nuru service and decent quality girls. I paid around 3,000 for the nuru package and picked a girl from the iPad. Sorry I don't recall her name. I was taken up a flight of stairs and shown into a room with a shower where the girl was waiting. She was more or less identical to the pictures, maybe a little shorter and plumper than I would have liked. Anyways, we undressed and proceed to the shower where she gave me an initial wash before putting down the inflatable nuru mattress. She proceed to give a decent b2 be with a little bbj mixed in. Lasted about 15 minutes before she asked me to stand up again and wash me off. Once dried, we proceed to the massage bed where she gave a pretty poor massage for 5 minute and then resumed the bbj. It was getting a little boring so I asked her to put on a condom and she jumped onto and proceed to give me a good energetic ride until I popped. Overall an average experience. Maybe if picked a more attrative girl I'the be more enthusiastic about the place. It does exactly what it says on the tin for a decent prince, and hygiene is good. I guess I can't complain.

Next I walked over to cowboy and walked to the end of the street and around the corder to Crazy House. I read that it was one of the few all nude go gos left in town so I wanted to dive right in. I got there a little early at around 8 pm and the place was kind of empty. Maybe 5 customers and 10 girls on stage. But that soon changed within a few hours as a stream of girls walked in and stripped off ready for the stage. It probably reached about 30 to 40 girls by the end of the night. This was followed by a good number of customers that now filled up every seat in the house. This place has allot going for it I think. First off the music is decent so I was not irritated just by sitting there. Yes the girls are totally nude which means no deceptive outfits before picking your girl for the night. The lady drinks are about 400 baht, but the nice thing is that when the girl sits with you she will sit on your lap, all nude, give you a little grind and let you feel up the goods. I could have spent allot of time in the club just buying lady drinks and grabbing tits and ass. On the downside however, the girls are a little older than say baracca, but there were one or two gems in the bunch. I managed to grab one of the gems, but as my luck would have it, one of her regular customers walked in just as she was mid-lady drink with me. She managed to sneak away and close a bar fine deal with him right under my nose. Sneaky move and the mamason at the bar was not to happy about it either. I didn't want to make too much of a fuss over a random go go girl so let it go. I did manage to get her lady drink removed from my tab as compensation. At this point I wanted to cut my losses at this place and move on. I don't like to hang around a venue where bad karma could swing back around. I liked the place. I just had a little bad luck on my pick of girl.

Next, I wanted to get a quick fix so I walked down to SevenHeaven for a BBJ / CIM quickie. Paid 2,800 for a mirror room and got a young looking girl to do the deed which she did expertly. I left happy after having only spent around 15 minutes inside the shop. As I was walking down that street I noticed an unmarked fancy door open with a bunch of male customers walking out. As I walked by I looked inside and saw a bunch of Thai girls dressed up in BDSM leather waving their customers goodbye. I stopped and asked at the door what this place is, and the girl said 'fetish club' and I said 'great, can I see?' She said 'no' and closed the door. Again, not wanting to ruin my mood I moved on but was curious what services and set-up they had inside.

Overall I was happy to see Bangkok back to its old self again. The girls I happened to meet had a bit of an attitude which is annoying. Seems like they are being spoiled for choice and its a seller's market at the moment. I usually overcome these attitudes by flashing a bit of cash, but honestly one of the things I liked most about Bangkok was the down to earth girls and friendly venues. You could literally just rock up in your shorts anywhere, and be taken care of from the moment you arrive. Now it seems you have to compete with other customers for attention, space and access. Not worth the effort in my opinion. Oh, and weed is everywhere now. Sold on the streets next to the street food carts. If only it were like this 15 years ago when I used to enjoy a smoke and a suck. Oh well. To all you 20 something's. Enjoy the high times in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2760870]A gogo girl works one day a month and gets barfined 4 times. She actually goes to College and is quite Pretty.

Is she a pro or pro semi.[/QUOTE]Good example. I think the term "Pro" refers to someone who makes their living off of sex. "Semi-Pro" is someone who makes money from sex but also has a regular job. "Amateur" is someone who is not paid for sex. How much sex is involved does not matter. These are terms borrowed from the sporting world by the way.

Was mooching around feeling bored so thought I would give 7th Heaven a go. I was interested in the 2 girl blowjob and was hoping (but not expecting) the porn star show where both girls lick up and down the shaft at the same time. When I arrived there were 4 girls available, all reasonable standard. Menu was 1 girl 1300,2 girl 2500. Fully nude 500 extra per girl. CIM appears to be included, but COF was 500 extra. There was also a mention of handcuffs on the menu, but not clear who would be wearing them. No massage, no sex just BJ with touching allowed.

The event was a bit like a game of football: first half one girl sucked and the other licked my balls. At half time they cleaned up my cock and changed ends. Overall a nice experience from girls that were younger and better looking than Wood bar or Lolita, but wouldn't go for the 2 girl again as it doesn't add a lot.

On finishing at Analisa (FR on non-Tulip MP thread), took the [I]long[/I] way back to the BTS, via soi 8. Curious to see if the passage from soi 6 to 8 is still open. It is, but the primary reason was to take a gander at Kasalong and Lolitas. Kasalong, couple of girls sitting outside. Not close enough, at least sans glasses, to rate, but no swarms of flies hovering. Passing by Lolitas, got a closer look. 5 or 6 girls sitting outside, no stunners (duh), but no [I]run for you life[/I]'s either. I couldn't see the tops of their heads to check for bald spots, except for one young'en who's face was buried in her phone, but that's a no-go right there. So at 15:45 on a Wednesday, certainly several [I]paths[/I] to quick relief.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2760636]When I first saw the length of this trip report I was tempted to declare it TLDR and keep scrolling. But I gave it a chance and was rewarded with a very entertaining read. So knowing I'm passing along a Navy compliment to a guy who's probably former Army: BRAVO ZULU.

[URL]https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/t/terminology-and-nomenclature/bravo-zulu.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks; always grateful for naval support.

With flak jacket and steel pot (5 Covid vaccines), and following the Thais' lead, wearing a face mask when out and about, guess I was a little overconfident. Perhaps DFKing MP girls and BJ bar girls not the wisest decision. Yes, tested positive for -19. Actually, I pat myself on the back for wearing a face mask when out, even during "just a massage" as when I get sick, it's lost play time, but for her, with no sick leave, it's loss of revenue. I felt sorry for bailing out on a superstar 16 hours before my booking, but when I tested positive, glad I did pull the cord. Likewise, had to cancel another booking with a special [I]friend[/I]. Again, [B]I'm[/B] disappointed but that's minor.

So not to bring everybody down, but it can happen:

[I]Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night, may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright.[/I]

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2760983]If you want to put labels on them, then go ahead.

But you will then most likely treat them like your label.

And get treated like a label back (monger, cheap charlie, whatever).

Treat them as people and get a much better response.[/QUOTE]So very, very true. You treat them like a person, with respect, that comes back on you. I was very sorry I had to cancel on a superstar 16 hours before the booking, after not seeing her for 3 years. She said don't worry and to take care of myself. The next day, she sent me a video wishing me a speedy recovery.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2761085]
The event was a bit like a game of football: first half one girl sucked and the other licked my balls. At half time they cleaned up my cock and changed ends.[/QUOTE]Excellent analogy GREAT description.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2761048]I managed to grab one of the gems, but as my luck would have it, one of her regular customers walked in just as she was mid-lady drink with me. She managed to sneak away and close a bar fine deal with him right under my nose. Sneaky move and the mamason at the bar was not to happy about it either. I didn't want to make too much of a fuss over a random go go girl so let it go. I did manage to get her lady drink removed from my tab as compensation. [/QUOTE]True most anywhere, the home team regulars have the advantage over visitors. For her, it's just economics. And if she was worried about her regular, or wanting to make a quick exit, I'd consider it, if not a win, a draw. The win was getting the lady drink removed from the bill. [I]No harm, no foul[/I].

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2761033]Kamagra is mainstream, it is the brand name for sildenafil (viagra ingredient) products made by one of the largest reputable drug businesses in India, Ajanta Pharma.

The gel is just a different delivery mechanism for the drug, one that works faster for absorption and benefits to be seen.[/QUOTE]Myself, I take the yellow pill, not the blue.

Hello folks.

I was a regular on this site but after covid, lost touch and lost my login handleso created this new one. Finally have a trip coming up to Bangkok.

Any recommendation on a couple of good reliable agencies with younger ones (18-24 age group) for outcalls? I certainly enjoyed gogo bars at Nana pre-covid, will try that again but having agencies as backup option will be great. I am afraid that I may not have patience of finding and negotiating on street.

I am aware of smooci that I will try again. Thaitourguide used to be good with younger crowd but that site seems disappointing now and most of them are older ones. Most of the sites I ran into have older crowd. I am only up for Outcalls.

Thank you!!

[QUOTE=Alpanico;2760153]
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Finally headed to Butterflies on 2nd floor. I ordered 1 Heineken, and I was given 2!! I asked the mamasan she showed me the receipt that was showing 160 THB. Buy 1 get one 1 free? Really?
[/QUOTE]Yes, it's buy-one-get-one-free on Mondays and Tuesdays (last I checked). Mondays and Tuesdays became a lot more popular than they used to be.

One thing I've always liked about Thailand is that pharmacies treat you like an adult. For all non-narcotic prescriptions I've needed (few, but some), simply walk into the pharmacy, say what you need, and it's [I]over the counter[/I] simple. No prescription needed. You're an adult, if you want to put something in your body, up to you.

With the Covid antivirals, it's different. You do need a doctor's prescriptions. Tried several pharmacies, all said the same thing.

Now, these days, about the last place I want to go is a hospital. I don't want to infect someone in a weakened state, and I certainly don't want to catch something worse from someone in mine. Decide on Camillian Hospital. It's old, been here forever. Nice thing about old, the FRONT door is clearly visible from the street, no wandering around. Walk through the hospital's parking lot, and off to the side of the entrance, there's a tent. All the signs are in Thai, but I'll take the chance, and sure enough, it's a Covid test and exam station. Nurse speaks English, I tell her I'd like a doctor's prescription for an antiviral. Have to wait a couple of minutes as the one person ahead of me finishes processing, then it's my turn. Sit in a chair for the interview. Documentation collected, answering questions, while my vitals are being taken. No fever, no breathing difficulties, blood pressure fine. All the usual stuff. I show the nurse my vaccine card, and she asks with all the vaccinations (5), how could I catch Covid. I answer that's what [B]I[/B] want to know.

Moved over to the doctor's cubicle. Again more medical questions (usual, meds, allergies, etc.). While we're talking they connect the finger oxygen monitor again and ask me to take some deep breaths. Oxygen saturation good. I'm getting a little worried that I might not be sick enough for antivirals. But the doctor says that, given my age, I automatically qualify. So all the snide comments about blue pill popping old men from you young whippersnappers, just know that we also have priority for antivirals. Nah, nah, na, na, nah.

Hospital will fill the prescription, I just have to wait in the well dispersed waiting area. Out comes the credit card machine for payment, and awhile later, the bag of pills.

The doctor did ask if I had fever meds, cough meds, etc. I did, and it seems that they would just offer over the counter meds for all that, with having you isolate at home. All total, took less than 30 minutes, full damages 4400 baht. Will go back next week for a chest x-ray just to be sure.

My guess is that most every hospital will have a similar set-up.

The reason I post this is two-fold:

1. Covid is still out there, lurking, waiting for YOU.

2. If you're under 50, and have only [I]mild[/I] symptoms, just stay home. But if you're over 50, you should qualify for antivirals.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2760377]What is TH, TF? :) I read the forum and tried googling but couldn't figure out. You can PM me as well.[/QUOTE]TF=Thai Friendly. Singles website for Asians.

TH= No idea. Typo, perhaps?

TC= Thai Cupid. Yet another singles website for Asians.

- I was disappointed by the overall quality of the girls. I like to have a cold beer and look at attractive naked girls. Some girls were decent. None were stunners. Where are the cute coyote dancers. Many girls were ugly.

- Nana had no full nudity. Just topless. The bottom floor was just bikinis. My favorite 2 bars, for looking at topless girls, were Billboard and that bar diagonally across Billboard. That bar might be my favorite at Nana. Girls were decent, and it wasn't as crowded like Billboard.

- In Soi Cowboy, Crazy Girls (or House?) had nudity. Dollhouse had nudity. Long Gun had nudity, but most of the girls were ugly. I like Baccarra because they wear those short skirts without underwear. It's alluring. Suzy Wong had full nudity. Only one girl was decent. At least 1 other club had nudity.

- Crazy Girls seemed to be always packed. I hate sitting check to check with other customers. Observed the following: When it isn't crowded, Baccarra allows you in without making you buy a drink at the outside bar. Then when it gets packed, they made everyone (even the East Asians) buy a drink outside before coming in. I don't like that. If I go into a bar, and it's only check to check sitting, I don't want to go in; I prefer to leave.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2761335]
The reason I post this is two-fold:

1. Covid is still out there, lurking, waiting for YOU.

2. If you're under 50, and have only [I]mild[/I] symptoms, just stay home. But if you're over 50, you should qualify for antivirals.[/QUOTE]Latest mode of treatment at least in USA is do not take antiviral medications unless it is serious with breathing problems, O2 saturation low etc. Why?

Latest research shows if antiviral medications taken there is more likelyhood there will be a relapse. They are not sure why. It is theorized that medications suppress virus and does not eliminate them from your body.

My son is a doctor (he gave me covid when I visited him while back). He works as the head of covid task force in hospital. It happened to president Biden and many other prominent people triggering research.

The doctors say get plenty of rest, lots of fluids and absolutely no pussy. (I just added it LOL) Only get treatment if you have serious complications.

[QUOTE=Dumbc;2761265]Hello folks.

I was a regular on this site but after covid, lost touch and lost my login handleso created this new one. Finally have a trip coming up to Bangkok.

Any recommendation on a couple of good reliable agencies with younger ones (18-24 age group) for outcalls? I certainly enjoyed gogo bars at Nana pre-covid, will try that again but having agencies as backup option will be great. I am afraid that I may not have patience of finding and negotiating on street.

I am aware of smooci that I will try again. Thaitourguide used to be good with younger crowd but that site seems disappointing now and most of them are older ones. Most of the sites I ran into have older crowd. I am only up for Outcalls.

Thank you!![/QUOTE]Sideline thailand has a lot of stunner at that range, similarly they are cheap as well.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2761360]- I was disappointed by the overall quality of the girls. I like to have a cold beer and look at attractive naked girls. Some girls were decent. None were stunners. Where are the cute coyote dancers. Many girls were ugly.

- Nana had no full nudity. Just topless. The bottom floor was just bikinis. My favorite 2 bars, for looking at topless girls, were Billboard and that bar diagonally across Billboard. That bar might be my favorite at Nana. Girls were decent, and it wasn't as crowded like Billboard.

- In Soi Cowboy, Crazy Girls (or House?) had nudity. Dollhouse had nudity. Long Gun had nudity, but most of the girls were ugly. I like Baccarra because they wear those short skirts without underwear. It's alluring. Suzy Wong had full nudity. Only one girl was decent. At least 1 other club had nudity.

- Crazy Girls seemed to be always packed. I hate sitting check to check with other customers. Observed the following: When it isn't crowded, Baccarra allows you in without making you buy a drink at the outside bar. Then when it gets packed, they made everyone (even the East Asians) buy a drink outside before coming in. I don't like that. If I go into a bar, and it's only check to check sitting, I don't want to go in; I prefer to leave.[/QUOTE]Pre COVID the girls that went Nude weren't all that Attractive. Same old story.

The Hot girls have different MO than the ugly ones.

A guy landed Poom Airport and made it to Pattaya in 3 hours after touchdown at 1,40 pm.

Probably got stamped in in 30 minutes or so.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2761219]So at 15:45 on a Wednesday, certainly several [I]paths[/I] to quick relief.[/QUOTE]Ok next time put your glasses on and have a closer look at what's available there. I've passed through that area several times during the last week at different hours precisely to see if I could get a quick relief there, and I was absolutely horrified by the girls sitting there. Most of the times Lo. Li. Tas had only three girls, one older that was probably the owner, and two short and fat ones with very unattractive bodies and faces and were not giving any vibes of wanting to have a guy's dick in their mouths. Kasalong had no more than 4 or 5 girls sitting each times. These girls were the typical dark Eessan unattractive MILFs (except maybe one younger and slim looking dark girl, which had her face glued to her phone each time I walked over there, so cannot say surely if she is also as unattractive as others). None of them were wearing uniforms either, so expect them all to be wearing their cheap clothes also. The talent was so bad that I decided to not even try to have a new look these coming weeks.

I had a look at what was available at soi 4 also, 3 nights in a raw I think. Pre covid the soi 4 girls were already being called dogs by a few guys on this board. These same guys shouldn't even put a foot in soi 4 now as the quality available there is so low that even when you expect it by reading some reports on the internet, when you go there by yourself, you still get horrified by what's waiting there.

After all the hours that I've spent across the street or sitting in one of the bars and watching what was going on in the street, I could see only two girls that might be doable (and they are not even close to what was available there pre covid). Both of them were staying in front of Hooters, they were not there the same night. Both were dark skinned and tried to put an effort in their make up and clothes. One looked a bit chubby with and ok face but the other one looked like she had a nice body and her face looked ok to me too, both wearing long and dark hairs.

The one that had a nice body even rejected a young Indian dude, don't know what was her reason as I was not close to hear them. I didn't see any of these soi 4 prostitutes being taken by any guy.

The quality went down in the NEP also but I still saw many girls leaving with customers and others coming back to work.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2761219]So at 15:45 on a Wednesday, certainly several [I]paths[/I] to quick relief.[/QUOTE]I forgot to say that a better bet for a BJ is still Wood bar on soi 7/1. I had Tata there one night, a 43 years old slim MILF with short black hairs that suits her well. She is very friendly, a lot of fun to be with and enthusiastic in doing her job. I'm pretty sure that she is a 3 holes too, if anyone want to fuck her in their FS place in front of Wood bar (Chrome bar). Other girls seemed unattractive when I took her upstairs, but when I came downstairs, there was a girl drinking with a young dude in the bar, that looked good looking for that place.

Went to Nana a few times, wanted to give a summary of what's happening.

Nana isn't as crowded as pre-covid, but there was still plenty of people and plenty of girls. A little less girls than before, but still far more than enough, if not far too many for the smaller amount of customers.

Some early impressions: The bar in the middile of Nana plaza was happening early to late and seems to attract more people now. Its fairly decently priced and not a shit show like the bars on Soi blasting music non-stop. Was much more chill and seemed to attract more people, in a good way, and is a good spot before, during, and after visiting a gogo. Plenty of weeds shops in the area charging only a bit more than other tourist areas.

Topless vs. Bikini: All the ground floor gogos are bikini only, and none were particularly interesting. These all seemed to get less clients, as people just went up a floor. The small bottom floor ones would only have a couple customers, seriously. Only a handful of gogos even do topless right now.

The good: Angelwitch, Billboards, Butterflies all did topless. Rainbow 4 (bikini) still has the best overall, but it caters to the asian / japanese audience and a lot of the girls are going for the japanese look still. Rainbow 4 also varied a lot on how many girls were around, sometimes it would feel like there's only a dozen girls, then like 15 minutes later, there's be 40 girls in the club, then disappear again. Angelwitch remains the most fun club, because it plays rock and is chill, the shows get old quick, but good looking ladies as the other good bars. Billboards is just frustrating to be at, as its playing deafening loud dance music, and its crowded enough it can be tough to get a seat, but is second to Rainbow 4 for looks, and easily had the most dancers of any bar. Butterflies feels like its on its last legs, the girls were nothing special you couldn't get at any of the other gogos, but this is a more "strip club" like experience if you don't want the in your face gogo, or if you want lapdances.

The why bother: Spanky's, any of the other Rainbows, any ground floor gogos, Sexy Night, Mandarin, and Geishas. Feel free to pop your head in, but you're simply better off going to other spots or Cowboy.

The bad: All of the gogos in the stairs / corner areas on both sides. Some were advertising drink specials, which turned out to be misleading. Thats how I ended up in a couple, only to be mad that I ended up there. Anyways, none were even worth it, only a few girls anyways, and felt a bit ripped off and taken advantage of, don't spend your time or money. LBs at Straps seemed bored, they seemed to be getting zero customers at any point of all my times there and like 10 of them were standing outside, all the time, non stop, enough for everyone in Nana to notice, not even bothering to try to do the LB thing to grab customers. Maybe they'll change format.

Overall, I say the quality at Nana is in decline as a whole, I'll say more on Cowboy later, but the ladies there were significantly better, which is a bit of a flip. Previously I thought Nana was the winner pre-covid and cowboy was declining, not anymore. Cowboy was the winner.

Request on reporting of fields.

You really don't have to use descriptions like.

1. A bit Chubby.

2. Not going to win Miss Thailand,.

3. A bit Old.

4. Floppy Tits.

5. Nitnoi Baby Damage.

6. Etc.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2761462]Call this for it was, big pharma / govt collusion scamdemic. Can understand the caution initially to figure out the virus and the real smart doctors figured it out early on but they were totally censored and the mainstream medical quacks took over. If one gets covid you need to get the right therapeutics immediately especially if you are in the risk group not wait till complications develop, how smart is that haha. Unvaccinated people with severe co-morbidities killed the virus in days with the right therapeutics. Of course all this completely censored.

There is compelling recent data to indicate that the more shots one gets, lower the immunity, suggesting an inverse relationship.

About masks there is no real scientific study like a randomized control trial (RCT) that shows any benefit none, zero, nada. Then they came up with some desperate bullshit justification using simple germ theory and other crap.[/QUOTE]None of the above is actually true.

Here is a link to multiple clinical trials concerning use of face masks to reduce infection:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html[/URL]

I am use that your "therapeutics" are horse dewormer or bleach or some such.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2761462]There is compelling recent data to indicate that the more shots one gets, lower the immunity, suggesting an inverse relationship.[/QUOTE]Care to provide a link (no doubt to cloud cuckoo land). So just looking at the facts:

1) Stupid old Thailand with minimal healthcare resources and people daft enough to wear masks all the time. Death rate from Covid 471 / m population.

2) Entitled Americans who have top health care resources but are stupid enough to believe all the conspiracy nonsene on the internet - 3,286 / m population.

I know where I'd rather live.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

What a coincidence. Lookie here.

[URL]https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-walgreens-recorded-who-tested-positive-for-covid-and-the-results-might-surprise-you?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220419Trending-HorowitzWalgreens&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News[/URL]

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2761068]Good example. I think the term "Pro" refers to someone who makes their living off of sex. "Semi-Pro" is someone who makes money from sex but also has a regular job. "Amateur" is someone who is not paid for sex. How much sex is involved does not matter. These are terms borrowed from the sporting world by the way.[/QUOTE]That is a pretty good description.

[QUOTE=Metso;2761391]Sideline thailand has a lot of stunner at that range, similarly they are cheap as well.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much. I will look into that. I joined Meet Sideline telegram group but that seemed hopeless. There were plenty of ads like spam and it was hard to know who is open to outcall.

Fellas,

Preparing for a 16-day trip to BKK and Phuket, can't wait!! Having been to Thailand numerous times, I ALWAYS carry Disento for those meals that don't digest very well. I read an article that the pharmas no longer sell, is this truly the case? If so, is there a local replacement?

N_r.

Hi,

Can keep the covid discussion of what works and doesn't in a separate topic.

11 Bravo was nice enough to share his experience in case anymore does catch it while in BKK. And know what they can do.

Other than that he quickly left the subject.

Looking forward to further reports 11 Bravo. The cavalry is arriving in 24 hours. hehe

Any of the guys living in BKK been to Thermae recently?

How is the club action, any revival?

Not a scientific study, just [B]MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES[/B].

Day 1: Fever, chills, muscle ACHES, loss of appetite.
Day 2: Fever, chills, muscle ACHES, loss of appetite.
Day 3: loss of appetite.
Day 4: Can I have some more of that, please.

A nurse, on checking my shot record, remarked, "How could YOU catch Covid with all of these vaccinations?" To me, the vaccinations worked exactly as designed on a breakthrough infection: I [B]NEVER[/B] felt short of breath, I never struggled to breathe, I never had serious bouts of coughing (1 coughed once every 3-4 hours). 2 days of feeling sick. Never needed hospitalization. For [B]ME[/B], the vaccines worked, especially given I'm (you say old, I say mature) with some underlying health risks. YMMV.

Masks:

Departure airport, transit airport, arrival airport, and on both flights, masks mandatory (to quote: "No mask, no fly") except for meals. On arrival, "when in Rome, do as the Romans", kept using my mask. Now, on the first day of feeling sick, during my 30 minute RTB walk along crowded sidewalks, pausing to look both ways before crossing streets (yes, Mom, I remember) when I found out I had Covid, I was really glad I had a mask on. And I was glad you had a mask on. Double layers of protection. Because if I had not had a mask, then I would have been a movin' spewing biohazard, with every exhale ejecting millions of little covid virus particles looking for a new home. And if you weren't wearing a mask, then that was just a big open house invitation for said [I]nomads[/I] stamped on your forehead.

Days 3 and 4, I did visit the hospital's parking lot tent, first to get some antivirals (molnpiravir) that reduces the body's viral load by binding with the virus's RNA such that the virus cannot direct cells to reproduce the virus (like the bar that has the beautiful door girls inviting you inside, but once inside, the dancers are old and ugly so you lose all desire to reproduce), and the next day for some antihistamines (my body was like WTF is THAT). In both cases, there were not LINES of people, but a steady stream of people being examined; for what, I don't know, but a constant stream that kept the staff hopping.

End of Report.

[QUOTE=Oneminuteboy;2761604]Hi,

Can keep the covid discussion of what works and doesn't in a separate topic.

11 Bravo was nice enough to share his experience in case anymore does catch it while in BKK. And know what they can do.

Other than that he quickly left the subject.

Looking forward to further reports 11 Bravo. The cavalry is arriving in 24 hours. hehe[/QUOTE]Big Duke Six, think I can just hear [I]Ride of the Valkyries[/I] [S]...[/S].

Amateur Prostitute. Where can you find these?

I have had rather lackluster experiences with a few that I have been with except for one. Last month visited BKK for a week mid October, had gone to Nana plaza, picked Rainbow 4 as it seemed to be the most lively. Not sure if the quality of girls had dropped or I have become more picky but only saw a couple that I felt worth boning. One of them was a tall one from CM, a 24 year old stunner, bought her a drink and got her line ID. Next day met her outside at the mall, she was dressed to kill, real classy too and had all the right curves with natural boobs However the bedroom performance was mediocre and everything covered. Damages 3. 5 K.

On this same trip also visited Baccara in Soi Cowboy. Upper level found a 22 year old Chiang Mai girl attractive called her over for drinks and get her line ID as well. However she was telling me that she is not into sex too much (but maybe for the right guy and price haha). Anyways I pinged her later the next day but got a very tepid response that did not go anywhere.

Pre-covid days 2018 had picked one CM girl from Spasso the bar in Grand Hyatt. Spent the whole evening with her clubbing, dining etc. Things had gone great but on returning to the room she created a ruckus about being paid first. Did not end well.

The one good experience was a CM girl who I met at the Pattaya Mixx club, had a great time with her, saw her multiple times. Has been the only exception so far with my limited experience with CM girls.

Have also been to CM once and met a Burmese girl who I had a decent time with there. Most other places were rip offs although did not visit massage parlors there mainly the club type places. Maybe the CM girls are more into LTRs.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2761527]None of the above is actually true.

Here is a link to multiple clinical trials concerning use of face masks to reduce infection:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html[/URL]

I am use that your "therapeutics" are horse dewormer or bleach or some such.[/QUOTE]I really do not wish to debate this on this forum so this will be my last post on this topic!

The CDC study posted states in their conclusion: "Experimental and epidemiologic data support community masking to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2. " Note that they are referring to epidemiological studies with all its flaws.

This is all mumbo jumbo science basically. Moreover CDC are mainly medical doctors not experts in PPE like this guy Stephen Petty and his peers (google him, if he is not censored haha). These type of studies will frequently contradict each other so corrupt orgs will cherry pick what they want to conclude. The study linked below is more of an unbiased one, which could be very helpful:

[URL]https://brownstone.org/articles/more-than-150-comparative-studies-and-articles-on-mask-ineffectiveness-and-harms/[/URL]

For real science point me to a peer reviewed study that is a double blind randomized control trial with placebo showing cloth masks (wrt to the covid virus) have any statistically significant benefits published in any reputable journal?

About your comments on therapeutics just proves the point about the big pharma and MSM (and some govt as well) nexus. You are basically telling me what the fake news MSM New York Times said on the subject. Go to the source, the various medical journals where the real science and also the supporting studies are documented and published about all this, instead of regurgitating distorted science from heavily influenced and biased MSM sources. I know many people including myself who have obtained a prescription of therapeutics from real brilliant MDs (and some of them PhDs as well) and recovered in days if not a week or so taking these at onset of symptoms (not wait till it gets serious haha) and all this while travelling and partying before the vaccines had rolled out. Moreover there have been numerous court cases where the hospitals / doctors have refused these therapeutics but in a court of law when the evidence (real science not fake articles from NYT and others) was presented decisions have always been in favor of the patients being allowed to use it.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2761335]The reason I post this is two-fold: 1. Covid is still out there, lurking, waiting for YOU. 2. If you're under 50, and have only [I]mild[/I] symptoms, just stay home. But if you're over 50, you should qualify for antivirals.[/QUOTE]Good example of how being well informed and pro-active usually results in good medical care in Thailand.

By the way, did the nurse look like this? .

Calling Mr Toons.

What the situation on Thurs 17. Anything regarding Nightlife closed?

I'm arriving in daytime that day.

60,000 Hooligans captured and taken off the mean streets by Thai Authorities. Should be Buznit as usual for the rest of us Good People. Hahaha.

Hi guys, just want to enquire about any good condo near nana and Asok? Are they guest friendly and any suggestions. ?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ry2510;2761804]Hi guys, just want to enquire about any good condo near nana and Asok? Are they guest friendly and any suggestions. ?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I'm assuming you mean Hotels. Lots and lots but it would be silly for anyone to reply, you need to give some Parameters.

Lower end just above Hostel status is Atlas Hotel. This week has rooms for Not Much.

[QUOTE=Ry2510;2761804]Hi guys, just want to enquire about any good condo near nana and Asok? Are they guest friendly and any suggestions. ?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Response here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels&p=2761819&viewfull=1#post2761819[/URL].

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2761641]Any of the guys living in BKK been to Thermae recently?

How is the club action, any revival?[/QUOTE]No one that I know that lives here ever goes to Thermae, it's really just a tourist place. We get much better service from other venues. I'll go with a friend who is visiting if he wants to see the place because he's read about it or saw some videos but I haven't taken a girl from there in 4 years.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2761829]No one that I know that lives here ever goes to Thermae, it's really just a tourist place. We get much better service from other venues. I'll go with a friend who is visiting if he wants to see the place because he's read about it or saw some videos but I haven't taken a girl from there in 4 years.[/QUOTE]Used to be a locals hangout back in the day. Was my main hunting grounds from 99-07.

Now, as HP says, all tourists.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2761680]Amateur Prostitute. Where can you find these?[/QUOTE]Angeles!

There are many girls working at the bars that are 18 or 19. Some of them just had 1 boyfriend before starting to work at the bar. Some of them are still Cherrys, or lost their cherry at the bar.

Some are them are sweet. Most of them go into the business to support their family, including their younger siblings. I find that amazing. It is that Asian family value!

I know that people write that all / most of them become jaded after working at the bar. For some that's true, but for many, it's not. Many are still decent people. Many of them go to Mass. How many of YOU guys go to church.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2761829]No one that I know that lives here ever goes to Thermae[/QUOTE]Please share which places you go to in BKK with the equal amount of girls and talent that Thermae has. I'm genuinely wondering if I'm missing out on a roomful of hot girls somewhere. I've lived in Thailand since early 2016 so I don't consider myself a tourist and I am not aware of any place that can match Thermae now in BKK, not even the top gogo bars. Maybe Thaniya Road.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2761952]Please share which places you go to in BKK with the equal amount of girls and talent that Thermae has. I'm genuinely wondering if I'm missing out on a roomful of hot girls somewhere. I've lived in Thailand since early 2016 so I don't consider myself a tourist and I am not aware of any place that can match Thermae now in BKK, not even the top gogo bars. Maybe Thaniya Road.[/QUOTE]I'm not Dissing anyone. Assumption that people who live in BKK majority of the time have Price as a big factor in which girls to Sex up.

There is no such place that Foreigner s Expats are getting Hot girls at Bargain prices.

You are not missing out. The difference is their Hot girl and your Hot Girl may perhaps not be same same.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2761952]Please share which places you go to in BKK with the equal amount of girls and talent that Thermae has. I'm genuinely wondering if I'm missing out on a roomful of hot girls somewhere. I've lived in Thailand since early 2016 so I don't consider myself a tourist and I am not aware of any place that can match Thermae now in BKK, not even the top gogo bars. Maybe Thaniya Road.[/QUOTE]VIP Massage in Huay Kwang had really attractive girls, mostly Thai Clientele. Kicker. Not Cheap nor expensive. Market Pricing.

Victims of coronavirus. Out of business.

Thanks to Jbradberry's report on WB in the non-tulip MP thread, I went looking for Som. Just as described, smiley with larger tits. Had never been to BJ bar before, preferring more FS and A+ action, but I had a great BJ with prostate massage my last visit to Tulip so I thought I'd try to duplicate that experience in a focused way. Was not disappointed, got a quick wash of nether regions, out came the beautiful tits, and to my surprise I got a superb rimming to start the action. I was not expecting this, so it was especially exciting, and Som went on to blow me with great skill. Maybe it's just me, but a break in the rhythm at the wrong moment can set me back to the beginning, which can produce a tired girl who is even more likely to take a breast the wrong moment. Anyway Som did a great job, never broke rhythm, added grunts of encouragement, and seems to know just how to match her action to my needs. Would definitely repeat.

By the way, I haven't noticed from RTFF whether rimming is expected and routine at the BJ bars. Is this true? Very curious l, as this would change my plans significantly for next trip.

TIA,

G.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2761952]Please share which places you go to in BKK with the equal amount of girls and talent that Thermae has. I'm genuinely wondering if I'm missing out on a roomful of hot girls somewhere. I've lived in Thailand since early 2016 so I don't consider myself a tourist and I am not aware of any place that can match Thermae now in BKK, not even the top gogo bars. Maybe Thaniya Road.[/QUOTE]You're fucking joking right?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2761858]Used to be a locals hangout back in the day. Was my main hunting grounds from 99-07.

Now, as HP says, all tourists.[/QUOTE]Well it was majority tourists last time I was there (Jan 2020, when I left for a Covid stay in Siem Reap) LOL and since I was a "local", it still must have been a local hangout. I have never had a bad experience there.

But everyone has a different view on things.

Hi,

Coming to BKK soon. Which of the clubs (Mixx, Levels, Sugar, Candy, etc. Or any other one) is currently the best to find freelance Thai girls?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2761981]You're fucking joking right?[/QUOTE]My opinion of how crappy Bangkok was albeit I was there over 2 weeks ago so maybe things have miraculously changed since I was there a long time ago. Bangkok sucks now imo. Yours may be totally different. We all have different taste in girls. I was honestly asking for better places so I can go in 3 weeks when I return again. Guess you found my initial post offensive for some reason.

Hi All,

Just a small doubt, Are there any thai pornstar escort in Bangkok, anyone met them, if yes please share your experience.

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2762013]My opinion of how crappy Bangkok was albeit I was there over 2 weeks ago so maybe things have miraculously changed since I was there a long time ago. Bangkok sucks now imo. Yours may be totally different. We all have different taste in girls. I was honestly asking for better places so I can go in 3 weeks when I return again. Guess you found my initial post offensive for some reason.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the insensitive post, I apologize. You know that locals have much better options than a tourist or visitor and that's all I was trying to say in my first post. Thermae is in my opinion not a top spot for locals including myself and all of my friends living here. Even though you've lived in Thailand I believe that you lived in Pattaya not Bangkok, so basically, you're a tourist or maybe better to say a visitor instead of tourist. When I go to Pattaya I'm a visitor and even though I do ok there I'm sure you have many more options than I do.

To me Bangkok is still as good as it's been in the last 5 years or so. The difference is that not all venues are currently as good as they were and timing is more important than ever. However it's mostly luck because it definitely depends on the day and time that you go and in fact if you visit the same bar multiple times in a night you may have a completely different opinion of the talent of that bar on that night.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2761970]VIP Massage in Huay Kwang had really attractive girls[/QUOTE]Mate, I was not able to locate this on google maps, any address or pointers to share?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2762156]Sorry for the insensitive post, I apologize. You know that locals have much better options than a tourist or visitor and that's all I was trying to say in my first post. Thermae is in my opinion not a top spot for locals including myself and all of my friends living here. Even though you've lived in Thailand I believe that you lived in Pattaya not Bangkok, so basically, you're a tourist or maybe better to say a visitor instead of tourist. When I go to Pattaya I'm a visitor and even though I do ok there I'm sure you have many more options than I do.

To me Bangkok is still as good as it's been in the last 5 years or so. The difference is that not all venues are currently as good as they were and timing is more important than ever. However it's mostly luck because it definitely depends on the day and time that you go and in fact if you visit the same bar multiple times in a night you may have a completely different opinion of the talent of that bar on that night.[/QUOTE]Flip it Baby.

Let's ask Mr Banana where in Pattaya can locals get Hot girls on the Bargain?

I'm not buying the premise Hot girls give anyone discounts and are Thrilled to do so. Remember these have no problems getting Customers.

A discount for being a Regular I can see happening.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2761896]Angeles!

T Many of them go to Mass. How many of YOU guys go to church.[/QUOTE]Every Pedo Priest goes to Church every day.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2761952]Please share which places you go to in BKK with the equal amount of girls and talent that Thermae has. I'm genuinely wondering if I'm missing out on a roomful of hot girls somewhere. I've lived in Thailand since early 2016 so I don't consider myself a tourist and I am not aware of any place that can match Thermae now in BKK, not even the top gogo bars. Maybe Thaniya Road.[/QUOTE]Banana Boi, I have lived in Bangkok for 10 years, stop in Thermae every 2-3 weeks, generally in the 9 pm - 10 pm time range, and I would say there is no better place to find as many attractive Freelancers in one room and at as reasonable a general going rate. Let's say 2,500 - 3,000 baht all in for Short Time, considering no barfine or Lady Drinks added.

So if I understand that is your take on it, I certainly agree with your assessment of Thermae.

However, as you know about me, mere physical attractiveness does not define "talent" when it comes to P4P service. At a minimum for me, "talent" is going to be an acceptable level of attractiveness combined with an abundance of upfront agreement to provide me with BBFSCIP or a damn good BBBJCIM.

And by that definition of "talent", my 10 years living here and stopping in Thermae often has convinced me Thermae is one of the worst places in town for me to monger. I still stop in because it is right there on the way to or from somewhere else I am going, the drinks are cheap and I do meet the rare acceptable prospect for my needs. But it is never my chosen destination for mongering.

Not to define what Houston Player means regarding us locals when he says, "We get much better service from other venues".

But by MY definition of "better service", I certainly agree with him too.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2747646]Picasso: This was a weird one, again don't trust places with a photo line up, always pick places with real life line ups, but again stupidly did I go with the photo, I picked Jasmine and I was made to wait 20 min, because apparently she wasn't actually there yet. Still when she*did show up, I was a little disappointed, she was by no means ugly, but would I pick her in a line up? Maybe not. Her tiny size did help, and though very quiet, still friendly, and got the job done. I fucked her multiple positions, BBBJ was good, and I actually came during the sex in the side missionary position. I don't know what you'd call that, it's like half way between mish and doggy. Like you're about to turn the girl from mist to doggy, but stopped her half way and kept fucking. Maybe it was her tiny pussy, maybe it was the way my dick was in the condom, or her labia, whatever it was, I came in that position and I came hard and it felt great. Overall, a good time was had. Had to play phone tag with the mamasan as well cause the place is so new there's no signage yet. Should be one now. For those who know it's right next to Mai Chan. Of note*was her massage, very very good. Good enough I still remember it. *.[/QUOTE]Normally I put these reports in the Bangkok massage thread, but as Newton York talked about that girl here, I'll follow up his report here.

This is the same girl, she actually works in Pretty massage shop but it seems they have associated themselves with the Picasso shop, so girls from each shop can be had at one or the other shop but one have to wait around 20 minutes for her to arrive.

Actually I met her at the Thanks shop in soi 33, but I still had to wait her in the room for around 15 minutes.

I was a regular of that shop, mamasan remembered me and showed me 4 pics with only one girl being available directly in the shop (Luna).

Predictably, she pushed me to take Luna, her advantage being to have big natural boobs, but she is short, chubby and her face was not quite what I like so I didn't agree.

Another one was a girl that I had before, which gave me a lousy session so I boycott her each time I see her pic, even though she might have upped her skills but I'd rather take the risk with one that I've never met instead.

Out of courtesy for the mamasan who looked like having very little business at that time, I chose Jasmine just from the photos, she was presumably very good service, young and slim. Mamamsan told me she will give me the big room as if she was doing me a favor, but the room was small and one of the shittiest I've ever been to.

Waited for her around 15 minutes, and been very disapointed when she arrived. Her face doesn't seem natural at all, I bet she had multiple clinical enhancements on her face, she looks a bit like someone who had a big car accident and didn't fully recover her facial expressions.

She is probably closer to 40 than the 23 years old advertised, but her body looks not bad at all, she is quite athletic, she used to do fitness and we can see it the way she is built, with strong legs, a nicely shaped ass and a strong upper body. She is not short, probably around 160, a little bit more than 50 kilos, I don't remember properly but I think she didn't have bolt ONS and her boobs looked good too.

The big thing with her was that she looked very dumb in every way, the way she talks, the way she proceeds during the session, the way she washed me. I never ever met a girl who looked that dumb to me, at a point that I thought she has cognitive problems.

Her whole body looks good but the asshole is completely destroyed, big prolapsus and the pussy doesn't feel that good when I fingered her.

BBBJ was ok for the first shot, I put the cap on and fucked her doggy untill I finished. At this point, I regretted taking her for 2 hours and there was still more than 1 hour left so I let her giving me a massage as it was useless to try to communicate with her.

The massage was real crap but I let her doing it to let the time goes, untill I needed to go to the toilet.

When I came back I told her straight, finish massage, I don't want anymore, she tried to get me to finish by handjob but I refused so she took a deep breath and went on with the BBBJ, which was more lousy than during the first shot. She acted as if she was getting tired, some weird saliva sounds coming out of her mouth but I let her continue untill I could have a hard on again.

For the second shot I just put her in mish and finished like that.

I went down 10 minutes early but mamasan made some reflection, pretexting that I did get down late. This was enough for me, the place looks on its last leg, she promoted a girl that she knows nobody wants (I've been a few times in the pretty massage lately and she is always in the of girls available) and then even made reflections when I came down, I'm not sure I would ever go back in that shop.

To sum it up, Jasmine is nothing like her pics (at least for the face, and age), her body looks good and athletic, she can make you cum at least once, the good point being that she allowed 2 shots by FS (which other girls tend to refuse nowadays in these shops), but the face is really not pretty and she's got zero personnality so it's going to be hard to have some fun with her in the room.

Her pics are available on the shop's website: [URL]bangkokprettymassage.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2762216]Normally I put these reports in the Bangkok massage thread, but as Newton York talked about that girl here, I'll follow up his report here.

This is the same girl, she actually works in Pretty massage shop but it seems they have associated themselves with the Picasso shop, so girls from each shop can be had at one or the other shop but one have to wait around 20 minutes for her to arrive.

Actually I met her at the Thanks shop in soi 33, but I still had to wait her in the room for around 15 minutes.

I was a regular of that shop, mamasan remembered me and showed me 4 pics with only one girl being available directly in the shop (Luna).

Predictably, she pushed me to take Luna, her advantage being to have big natural boobs, but she is short, chubby and her face was not quite what I like so I didn't agree.

Another one was a girl that I had before, which gave me a lousy session so I boycott her each time I see her pic, even though she might have upped her skills but I'd rather take the risk with one that I've never met instead.

Out of courtesy for the mamasan who looked like having very little business at that time, I chose Jasmine just from the photos, she was presumably very good service, young and slim. Mamamsan told me she will give me the big room as if she was doing me a favor, but the room was small and one of the shittiest I've ever been to.

Waited for her around 15 minutes, and been very disapointed when she arrived. Her face doesn't seem natural at all, I bet she had multiple clinical enhancements on her face, she looks a bit like someone who had a big car accident and didn't fully recover her facial expressions...[/QUOTE]Hall of Fame reporting here. LOL. Hahaha.

1. Reports are good in knowing who not to take.

2. Chemistry isn't transferable monger to monger.

3. Never ever believe what a Mamasan says. Remember my caste system thread. For whatever reason I think mama's and papa's actually Hate us. We are worse than Dirt in their eyes.

4. If you don't feel it just leave. If girl loses Face because you left hour early so be it. Say you have Tummy ache. I've done this- no Chemistry.

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2762172]Banana Boi, I have lived in Bangkok for 10 years, stop in Thermae every 2-3 weeks, generally in the 9 pm - 10 pm time range, and I would say there is no better place to find as many attractive Freelancers in one room and at as reasonable a general going rate. Let's say 2,500 - 3,000 baht all in for Short Time, considering no barfine or Lady Drinks added.

So if I understand that is your take on it, I certainly agree with your assessment of Thermae.

However, as you know about me, mere physical attractiveness does not define "talent" when it comes to P4P service. At a minimum for me, "talent" is going to be an acceptable level of attractiveness combined with an abundance of upfront agreement to provide me with BBFSCIP or a damn good BBBJCIM.

And by that definition of "talent", my 10 years living here and stopping in Thermae often has convinced me Thermae is one of the worst places in town for me to monger. I still stop in because it is right there on the way to or from somewhere else I am going, the drinks are cheap and I do meet the rare acceptable prospect for my needs. But it is never my chosen destination for mongering.

Not to define what Houston Player means regarding us locals when he says, "We get much better service from other venues".

But by MY definition of "better service", I certainly agree with him too.[/QUOTE]Visited Thermae 5 of the evenings during my one week trip last month around mid October.

4 of the days picked up a girl. 1st one was a repeat from pre covid times late 20's 8-9 everything CIM BBFS.

2nd one 20 years shy everything covered mediocre said that I was her first non Korean / Jap whatever 3 K short time. 3rd one 9+ quite petite 25 (but looked younger than the 2nd one) everything covered but enthusiastic and fun 2. 5 K short time. 4th one mid 20's petite engaging caring CIM but covered FS 5 k long time stayed with me the next 3 days with breaks during the day at same cost. Went lunch, dinner, clubbing. Good GFE.

Had a short stay in Bangkok before going to Pattaya. I used ANA and flew premium economy. Business class was just too expensive at the time of booking. Premium economy was okay. No lie back seats but did have more leg room and I had a bulkhead seat so never had to get up when someone had to go to the bathroom or whatever. Plus you get to check in with the business line and you do get lounge access. Arriving in Bkk is a breeze. Just show your passport, fingerprinted, photo of face and you are done. Taxi from the airport to theNovotel Suk 4 was be $600.00. My timing for money exchange sucked. When I arrived it was be $37.75. During the middle of my stay it was be $37.25 and near the end of my stay, it was be $36.85. When I got home, I saw it went even lower at be $35.85. Used my see / S card to withdraw my money. During my visit I had to relearn to use cash instead of credit cards for most transactions. This was difficult for me since I'm so used to using see / see. Even In Brazil I use my see / see for my termas runs. Another thing I had to get used to, was the heat and humidity. I know this is suppose to be the good months for the weather but I can take the heat but the humidity killed me. At least it didn't rain while I was there. Eats. For cheap food, I ate at different shopping malls where they have like street food stalls located on a designated floor. At terminal 21 it was near the top floor and at Siam Paragon it was near the bottom floor. You have to buy a prepaid card as no cash is exchanged with the vendors. When you are done, you go to the cashier and get back whatever money is left on the card. What I like most is many choices, and you have an air conditioned place to sit and eat. What I don't like, food and drinks are at separate vendors. Believe it or not, I found a good Mexican food restaurant here. It's called Cholos on Suk 12. I wasn't sure how good the food would be but their birria beef tacos were really good. It even came with the consome to dip. I also tried the tinga chicken but compared to the beef birria, it wasn't as good. I did eat at other places but they were just okay.

Massage shops. Went to 666 because I like the photo of one of the girls. (bb). Anyways, like most places, the photos were photoshopped. She didn't look bad, but only slightly looked like her photo. Her massage was decent and I did finish but I wouldn't repeat. It's funny, she asked why I picked her and told her because of her photos. She then appologised saying how the manager makes them take the photo and then he would photoshop them. She said all the girls hate that because the pictures are so different and when the customers come in and don't like what they see, they get mad at the girls. So I'm guessing this happens at many shops not just this one. I also tried a shop on Soi 24 but can't remember the name of it. Again, it was okay but wouldn't repeat.

Agogo's. Since most of my time would be in Pattya I didn't care if I barfined a girl from the agogo's or not. First went to Soi Cowboy. Bacarras, Dollhouse, and can't remember the other one I went to. Bacarras had some nice talent but didn't pull the trigger. Dollhouse was just okay, and the last one I couldn't find anyone to my liking. I arrived at Soi Cowboy around 20:00 and left around 22:00. When I first got there, it was pretty sparce but when I left, it seemed like the old days where is was wall to wall people strolling the soi.

Next day Nana. I ended up going here later than planned and it cost me. First went into Billboards. I saw at least three girls that I would barfine but they were already with customer and ready to leave. Next was Butterflies. At least two I would barfine but again, already with a customer. Last place I went to was Twister. Finally found a cute girl that wasn't with a customer but I finally ran into the I can't go because I'm on my period. At least she gave me her line number and said we could hook up in four days so maybe she wasn't lying. Anyways, I was off to Pattaya the next day so never did get to hook up with her.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2762327]1. Reports are good in knowing who not to take.[/QUOTE]Only an indication, due to #2 below. I'll keep a negative report in mind, but still conduct my own evaluations, especially given some members here hahaha

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2762327]2. Chemistry isn't transferable monger to monger.[/QUOTE]This IS so true. In general, because she's been good / bad with Punter A doesn't mean she'll be the same way with you. And specifically, just because she does xyz with Punter A doesn't mean she'll do it with you, or at least not as [I]skilfully[/I]. Someone else's rating is a data POINT secondary to my personal evaluation. Mine based on looks (face, body) [B]AND[/B] attitude. If I don't find her attractive then that's a gate that doesn't get passed. On the few times I've ignored the "Danger Will Robinson" attitude alerts and pulled her anyway, always disappointed.

In bars, I want to be able to carry on a conversation. And if the first line is "buy me drink", that's a HARD NO. The queen sitting on her throne, not marketing [S]...[/S] Pass. I'm not there to woo anyone. A princess who's doing some marketing, yes, possible. I like the flirting, banter [S]...[/S] Yes, the "where you come from, how long you stay BKK" trivial but does allow for assessing [I]friendliness[/I]. I just read somewhere about a girl using a translation app on her phone to carry on a conversation. I've had some that have used a friend to translate (human app), and yes, I did buy both a drink, but left with only one (though Miss Translator did get a lady drink on subsequent visits as a thanks).

In MP's, I like the live lineup. Again, I might have some possible names in mind, but the real indication is is she making eye contact, smiling or staring into space. If possible, I'll ask for names just to correlate with FR names, and I might ask "is xyz not working?" But always comes down to MY evaluations. And why I always enjoy the Soi 23 [I]walk[/I]; the lineup is right there, outside, in front of you. Easy to see who's [I]interested[/I], who's not.

And why I liked the Biergarden before its current wasteland status. Always time to get a drink, read the Post (dating myself), and have the time for evaluations. Sure, things could be [I]sparse[/I], but taking some time, skilfully moving that pan, you could find some real nuggets.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2762327]3. Never ever believe what a Mamasan says. Remember my caste system thread. For whatever reason I think mama's and papa's actually Hate us. We are worse than Dirt in their eyes.[/QUOTE]I think they only hate some of us hahaha.

I understand they have a conflict of interest: want the customer to be happy but also want their employees to be happy. I don't have a problem as I use them for data (who's not silicone? I like xyz, who does that? - asked discreetly). Any suggestions are listened to and evaluated. In Addicts, the mamasan suggested the girl at the end, "she new, no time for uniform" as to why she wasn't wearing one. Without the uniform, I had missed her. I appreciated the suggestion, took a close look, and the girl's looks, eye contact, and SMILE was a "yes, please"; my all time favorite there. But their's is not gospel as I remember their conflict of interest. If you're a regular, you can tell who's helpful, who's not. And getting her Line allows you to bypass the mamasan altogether. I have her make the booking for me. Win for me, double win for her: she has a customer she knows AND she's bringing in business to the shop.

In bars, for the pushy waitresses / mamasans: I just use my "do you speak English" line: Do you speak English? Yes, so do I, so when I want another drink, I'll ask for one. Otherwise, don't bother me. [I]cow chia?[/I] understand in thai".

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2762327]4. If you don't feel it just leave. If girl loses Face because you left hour early so be it. Say you have Tummy ache. I've done this- no Chemistry.[/QUOTE]Why lie? I do try to note start time and end time as skilled time management is part of my repeat / no-repeat criteria. If she wasn't fun, then she wasn't. Now, I differentiate between poor performance and not carrying for the type of massage. My FR on Analisa. Both girls fine, I just didn't find the type as appealing as I thought. Same with DokiDoki and neru massage.

In one place, I understand the girl has to go get her kit. But after waiting [I]unaccompanied[/I] for 15 minutes, got dressed, back down to desk, and said, "Change". Explained, and picked a new girl. I'm sure the original girl and I were both happier.

You catch the problem EARLY, correct, as they say, "No harm, no foul".

I've been struggling with the Search at top of page and have gotten nowhere so please tell me best place to get or change money in. Bangkok or tell me how to use the search.

Thanks!

BTW, Bangkok looks awesome. Seems much cleaner and safer than San Jose or Medellin at night.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2762693]I've been struggling with the Search at top of page and have gotten nowhere so please tell me best place to get or change money in. Bangkok or tell me how to use the search.

Thanks!

BTW, Bangkok looks awesome. Seems much cleaner and safer than San Jose or Medellin at night.[/QUOTE]Use ATM's if your charges are reasonable. Or KF Exchange at side door to Emporium on Soi 24, tel # 0617892462.

[QUOTE=Giggid;2761973]Thanks to Jbradberry's report on WB in the non-tulip MP thread, I went looking for Som. Just as described, smiley with larger tits. Had never been to BJ bar before, preferring more FS and A+ action, but I had a great BJ with prostate massage my last visit to Tulip so I thought I'd try to duplicate that experience in a focused way. Was not disappointed, got a quick wash of nether regions, out came the beautiful tits, and to my surprise I got a superb rimming to start the action. I was not expecting this, so it was especially exciting, and Som went on to blow me with great skill. Maybe it's just me, but a break in the rhythm at the wrong moment can set me back to the beginning, which can produce a tired girl who is even more likely to take a breast the wrong moment. Anyway Som did a great job, never broke rhythm, added grunts of encouragement, and seems to know just how to match her action to my needs. Would definitely repeat.

By the way, I haven't noticed from RTFF whether rimming is expected and routine at the BJ bars. Is this true? Very curious l, as this would change my plans significantly for next trip.

TIA,

G.[/QUOTE]Glad you enjoyed the post, I think it's YMMV regarding rimming at BJ bars. I know for sure they don't do that at 7 Heaven, but if that is your thing I recommend Tulips.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2762693]I've been struggling with the Search at top of page and have gotten nowhere so please tell me best place to get or change money in. Bangkok or tell me how to use the search.

Thanks!

BTW, Bangkok looks awesome. Seems much cleaner and safer than San Jose or Medellin at night.[/QUOTE]This link (so old, 16 years, so while I'm on the injured disabled list I'm going to repost as a ROD just in case the original gets archived), How to search a thread, [S]...[/S] [B]AND[/B] there is also an alternate method that you can use to search 1000 posts all on one page (what? [S]!?!?!?...[/S]) in your own browser, download, and read at your leisure, using your own browser's text search tools. Why would you want to look at a 1000 posts? Well, easy to eyeball to pick out what MIGHT be useful and what's not. YMMV.

How to search, 2 methods:
[INDENT]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?926-General-Info&p=526200&viewfull=1#post526200[/URL]
[s]...[/s]
[/INDENT]
Also, to be complete on searching, there is one more tool. Left clicking on a member's handle (to the left of any of his posts) will bring up a pop-up. One of the choices is "View Forum Posts" which will produce just such a list. Makes it very easy to see what else the user has posted (as in, "that's a great FR, what other info has he provided".).

So follow the above link, and your searches will work.

[QUOTE=TConor;2762781]Use ATM's if your charges are reasonable. Or KF Exchange at side door to Emporium on Soi 24, tel # 0617892462.[/QUOTE]Agreed, airports give the worst rates. Most ATM's will charge a fee for using the local ATM, say 200 baht. My ATM card reimburses those fees.

A number of years ago, Super Rich would offer the best rates. There is an android app, SuperrichTH, that shows the current rates offered at each of their locations and maps to said locations (you get a SLIGHTLY better rate at the HQ branch, but whether it's worth slepping over there is up to you). But it is an indication of what's on offer.

This type of forum not conducive to Search Function. Just ask your questions people.

Today hit Bangkok immigration Suwanaapoom Air. 1. 30 pm.

Looked just like recent photo. Lots of people looking like madness.

No worries people. The line moves. I was in back quite a ways, I got out in 45 minutes.

Nice immigration lady even let Foreigner s use Thai line when no This in sight. That really made things move.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2762832]Agreed, airports give the worst rates. Most ATM's will charge a fee for using the local ATM, say 200 baht. My ATM card reimburses those fees.

A number of years ago, Super Rich would offer the best rates. There is an android app, SuperrichTH, that shows the current rates offered at each of their locations and maps to said locations (you get a SLIGHTLY better rate at the HQ branch, but whether it's worth slepping over there is up to you). But it is an indication of what's on offer.[/QUOTE]Wooaaah!! There's a Super Rich app? Awesome!!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2762832]Agreed, airports give the worst rates. Most ATM's will charge a fee for using the local ATM, say 200 baht. My ATM card reimburses those fees.

A number of years ago, Super Rich would offer the best rates. There is an android app, SuperrichTH, that shows the current rates offered at each of their locations and maps to said locations (you get a SLIGHTLY better rate at the HQ branch, but whether it's worth slepping over there is up to you). But it is an indication of what's on offer.[/QUOTE]I highly suggest the Wise app. Gives me great rates and I can have Baht in my Thai bank account in minutes at almost the interbank rate.

For those who don't have a Thai bank account, use the Wise ATM card.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2762826]This link (so old, 16 years, so while I'm on the injured disabled list I'm going to repost as a ROD just in case the original gets archived), How to search a thread, [S]...[/S] [B]AND[/B] there is also an alternate method that you can use to search 1000 posts all on one page (what? [S]!?!?!?...[/S]) in your own browser, download, and read at your leisure, using your own browser's text search tools. Why would you want to look at a 1000 posts? Well, easy to eyeball to pick out what MIGHT be useful and what's not. YMMV.

How to search, 2 methods:.[/QUOTE]Thank you 11 Bravo. That's an excellent link and I can now do a search! Everyone who answered provided good advice on ATMs also. Seems guys on this forum have a better attitude than some of the others. Maybe it's the Thai way.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2762867]This type of forum not conducive to Search Function. Just ask your questions people.[/QUOTE]The craftsman understands the tools available and how to use them to achieve success. The novice flails and blames the tools.

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[QUOTE=11Bravo;2762826]This link (so old, 16 years, so while I'm on the injured disabled list I'm going to repost as a ROD just in case the original gets archived), How to search a thread, [S]...[/S] [B]AND[/B] there is also an alternate method that you can use to search 1000 posts all on one page (what? [S]!?!?!?...[/S]) in your own browser, download, and read at your leisure, using your own browser's text search tools. Why would you want to look at a 1000 posts? Well, easy to eyeball to pick out what MIGHT be useful and what's not. YMMV.

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So follow the above link, and your searches will work.[/QUOTE]Thanks 11 Bravo. Now I can finally search although another guy really said it right, just ask. Sometimes that's the best. Thanks to all who responded again too. For those in USA and close to NY city, Qatar Airlines has option of inexpensive layover for a day or a few for low cost in hotel. 14 hours from NY to Qatar and only 6 from there to Bangkok. Thought to contribute a little.

Scotch Tape and Thais. This has been going on since Mr Scotch invented tape.

35 baht worth of cherry tomatoes cums in plastice container. Fine and dandy. Except Thais seal it with a Sticker, Maybe advertising.

Hard to open under these circumstances.

Imagine Scotch Taping added over Sticker. Take 2 minutes to open.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2762876]Wooaaah!! There's a Super Rich app? Awesome!![/QUOTE]Super Rich does not give the best rates, along with the one I already suggested, there are 2 others on left side of Sukhumvit between soi 18 and Asok. The one closest to Asok will give you a better than SR as will this one: KF Exchange at side door to Emporium on Soi 24.

I have not skin in the game, I am just a cheap exchange monger. 555.

[QUOTE=TConor;2763044]Super Rich does not give the best rates, along with the one I already suggested, there are 2 others on left side of Sukhumvit between soi 18 and Asok. The one closest to Asok will give you a better than SR as will this one: KF Exchange at side door to Emporium on Soi 24.

I have not skin in the game, I am just a cheap exchange monger. 555.[/QUOTE]Best best, hands down between soi 5 and 7 I believe, always best rate in the area by at least 25 blocks each way every day! Indoor and air conditioned! Been using for many years, download their app and check their live rates out everyday! vasu exchange hope this place next best in that area is Conner of soi 8! Travel safe guys!

Vasu Exchange at the corner of Sukhumvit / Soi 7 is another good place to exchange money.

[QUOTE=TConor;2763044]Super Rich does not give the best rates, along with the one I already suggested, there are 2 others on left side of Sukhumvit between soi 18 and Asok. The one closest to Asok will give you a better than SR as will this one: KF Exchange at side door to Emporium on Soi 24.

I have not skin in the game, I am just a cheap exchange monger. 555.[/QUOTE]Vahsu, just down the Nana BTS, near soi 7/1 had better rates than Super Rich Asok and the one that is near soi 18 each time I checked.

I've never checked KF Exchange though.

[QUOTE=TConor;2763044]Super Rich does not give the best rates, along with the one I already suggested, there are 2 others on left side of Sukhumvit between soi 18 and Asok. The one closest to Asok will give you a better than SR as will this one: KF Exchange at side door to Emporium on Soi 24.

I have not skin in the game, I am just a cheap exchange monger. 555.[/QUOTE]Thank you!! Will keep an eye out for it. Not familiar at all with Sukhumvit Rd as this would be my first visit in decades. Was here maybe late last century or was it early this century?

Doc says I'm returned to duty, so wanted a weapon check before resuming some postponed assignations with some top stars. Off to Wood's (BJ) bar at 11:45. Lineup, ask for Som. She's outside eating. She comes in, says I should pick someone else as she's eating spicy. Disappointing, but no problem me, I can run some errands. Each of us has our priorities.

Walk down to Foodland to look for my favorite snacks. Unsurprisingly, they don't have. Another small disappointment.

So sky train to Siam. Get off, what's going on, did they move MBK? Oops, memory lapse. Luckily, I haven't exited, so hop on the 1 stopper to National Stadium. Walk in, find Dunkin Donuts. I don't see what I want (and I [B]AM[/B] beginning to detect a pattern here). Ask, and it seems that the chocolate Bavarian is no more. WTF? Now that IS a crushing blow. It's a chocolate donut with a cream filling, hard chocolate shell on top. It's even on their website. How hard is that to make? They certainly have powdered Bavarians for sale. Seems that their menu has been sharply curtailed.

Devastated, I take the opportunity of the proximity of the sky train to Patpong. There, I hit Foodland. My snacks are in stock, but almost expired. No problem. I get down on my knees, rummage around behind, and true the world over, find fresher ones behind the expiring ones.

And since I'm in the vicinity, I walk over to The World (BJ bar), 13:00. The staff are good to go. Inside, say I'm only going to take 1 today. Order a beer, two lady drinks, one for her and one for someone who didn't make it through the pandemic, RIP. Spend some time at the bar, [I]relaxing[/I], some fine tunes playing, then move to the benches where we both strip for action. Door locked.

Satisfied that everything works, I finish my beer, we dress, move to the bar, and I ask for the bill. 1450. Whoa, Nellie. Let me see that (might be old but I can still do math in my head). What's this (1000}? For BJ. BJ's ARE 800. Oh, OK, scratch, scratch, scratch. 1250. What's this? Beer, 150. Beer IS 100. OK, scratch, scratch, scratch. 1200. Ahhhhh. The old cashier gives me the ole look, damn, thought I could charge you the tourist price, not the local. What, I have to call my shots every time? I was in there 10 days ago and everybody else remembered me. She puts 2 100's and some assorted small bills on the tray. I'm not mad, but [S]...[/S] I scoop it all up, hand the 2 100's to the provider, and pocket everything else for taxi fare. Irksome.

Now take the MRT to Asoke. Large security presence in the underground space at the head of the MRT escalator. Guess there were some flash demos yesterday. I take the escalators up to the sky train. Walking Thong Lo (LONG gone are the days when it was ALL shop houses), stop at an ATM to [I]freshen[/I] up my wallet. On to Foodland, and yes, more snack shopping, same MO. Stop at the restaurant to have a drink; it's like Cheers, eye contact, head nod, order brought.

One last stop. If you like gelato, and who doesn't, stop at Ampersand for the evening's desert. It's not cheap, but excellent gelato, and I lived in Italy for 3 years. Missions accomplished, RTB.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2762920]I highly suggest the Wise app. Gives me great rates and I can have Baht in my Thai bank account in minutes at almost the interbank rate.

For those who don't have a Thai bank account, use the Wise ATM card.[/QUOTE]Second on Wise, great app, great rates, great speed, literally seconds across the world. Convenient way to move money from A to B.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2762939]Thank you 11 Bravo. That's an excellent link and I can now do a search! Everyone who answered provided good advice on ATMs also. Seems guys on this forum have a better attitude than some of the others. Maybe it's the Thai way.[/QUOTE]Glad to help out and I think you might be surprised at the results if you searched on ATM [S]...[/S].

I use the Charles Schwab bank ATM card (US citizens only). Opens a brokerage account which you don't use, remains 0. Transfer money into the bank account, and withdraw. Think no fee bank account. Given they have NO ATM's themselves, you are free to use any atm, and any ATM fees are reimbursed at the end of the month. Have been using it for years, the world over. (Sometimes you do have to submit ATM slips with fees on them, but you will be reimbursed).

With CURRENCY exchanges, if changing currency, they (or at least they did) want PRISTINE bills, no ink, no marks, no tears regardless of how small, sometimes no folds or creases. Maybe that's changed, it's been a long time since I've exchanged currency and even longer since traveler's checks (Yes, I am THAT old). ATM's are just too convenient, though watch out for the local bank fees.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2762876]Wooaaah!! There's a Super Rich app? Awesome!![/QUOTE]For keeping track of exchange rates, I use an android app Currency Converter Plus. Allows you to put a number of currencies on the main screen; I have 4, my home and 3 others. Easy to see rates and graphs. Dictates whether I laugh or cry. Provides a decent idea of what's going on and is very close to Wise rates.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2763188]

With CURRENCY exchanges, if changing currency, they (or at least they did) want PRISTINE bills, no ink, no marks, no tears regardless of how small, sometimes no folds or creases. [/QUOTE]Nope, still as picky as ever. Then the funny part is they start handing you Thai baht that's not in mint quality of their standard. I start throwing those back at the exchange person to prove a point.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2763188]I use the Charles Schwab bank ATM card (US citizens only). Opens a brokerage account which you don't use, remains 0. Transfer money into the bank account, and withdraw. Think no fee bank account. Given they have NO ATM's themselves, you are free to use any atm, and any ATM fees are reimbursed at the end of the month. Have been using it for years, the world over. (Sometimes you do have to submit ATM slips with fees on them, but you will be reimbursed)[/QUOTE]How are the rates for Schwab when you use the ATM in TH. All ATM same rate? About same as if going to those booth to exchange.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2763185]Second on Wise, great app, great rates, great speed, literally seconds across the world. Convenient way to move money from A to B.[/QUOTE]I use Wise a lot for TT transfers but don't have a card. What fees are you paying to use the ATM features? Online is quoting two free AUD $350 withdrawals per month then $1. 50 plus 1. 75%. Does that match what you are seeing in the real world?

I put 75,000 baht into Thai currency on Wise and didn't use it at all. I know I can charge on Visa to use that money but is there another way to get it out in Thailand? Haven't looked into this since they first introduced the Wise card but you can't make ATM withdrawals through Wise Visa, or can you?

Visited Wood bar 3 x recently. Still the best BJ bar in BKK, despite any downsides. Went by a few other BJ bars and girls at the other BJ bars were not good in comparison, even to the lower end of Wood Bar girls. The new price at 800 baht is a complete winner. 800 straight, no tip, no girls cost extra like in the past, get your BJs on for 800. For those seeing the Wood Bar website, I don't think they've updated the staff there in years. Most times had about 10-12 girls to choose form.

Short of it: All were good and all offered 2 pops + swallow. Doesn't really matter who you choose at Wood bar, just find one that looks ok to you and go for it.

First time, early evening before going out drinking. About 6 girls working. All acceptable, choose one that looked good with a bit of a thick body but not fat at all. Medium BJ but she did 2 pops, swallow and made it happen great. No complaints. Usually on 2 pops, they just keep going. She had me clean up after the first one, then sit back down and started again. This was fine of course, just unexpected.

Second time. Roughly 10-12 girls, saw the same girl I had before but decided to try another. Spoke decent English. Good BJ, 2 pops CIM swallow, no issue with 2 pops or any of it.

Third time. Like the second time, early evening, about a dozen girls, tried a new one, repeat of the same process. 2 pops CIM swallow, although this time I could hear another guy in a room a couple doors down which was pretty awkward.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2763241]How are the rates for Schwab when you use the ATM in TH. All ATM same rate? About same as if going to those booth to exchange.[/QUOTE]The rates are international intraday bank rate that tracks almost exactly to Xe. No percentage surcharge (like Chase) and all ATM fee's are refunded. I got all 5 ATM fee's refunded to me from my last Thailand trip at the end of the month during statement close. In reality it can save a person 2-5% across the board for cash transactions internationally.

The Schwab card is by far the best one out there for international or even domestic ATM withdrawals. It also allows you to get a second Amex Personal Platinum card and sign up bonus without worrying about the lifetime language.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2763188]Glad to help out and I think you might be surprised at the results if you searched on ATM [S]...[/S].

I use the Charles Schwab bank ATM card (US citizens only). Opens a brokerage account which you don't use, remains 0. Transfer money into the bank account, and withdraw. Think no fee bank account. Given they have NO ATM's themselves, you are free to use any atm, and any ATM fees are reimbursed at the end of the month. Have been using it for years, the world over. (Sometimes you do have to submit ATM slips with fees on them, but you will be reimbursed).

With CURRENCY exchanges, if changing currency, they (or at least they did) want PRISTINE bills, no ink, no marks, no tears regardless of how small, sometimes no folds or creases. Maybe that's changed, it's been a long time since I've exchanged currency and even longer since traveler's checks (Yes, I am THAT old). ATM's are just too convenient, though watch out for the local bank fees.

For keeping track of exchange rates, I use an android app Currency Converter Plus. Allows you to put a number of currencies on the main screen; I have 4, my home and 3 others. Easy to see rates and graphs. Dictates whether I laugh or cry. Provides a decent idea of what's going on and is very close to Wise rates.[/QUOTE]I have always found Xe to be a convenient app. With Schwab I almost always immediately take a picture of my ATM slip with my phone as a back up. Way too easy to lose those babies.

I have not been to MDE in several years and only two times in the last dozen years or so and not an expert. But I remember my first time quite well. It was def going to be a mongering trip and I was also traveling solo. Through these pages, I met this middle age fellow from NYC area and we arranged to meet on my arrival. When the date finally arrived, I met this guy and his quite unattractive Colombian GF at a cafe in MDE. He was not a handsome guy, bald, overweight and did not seem very worldly either. Nevertheless, he did give me the lowdown at the time on how to pursue chicks in MDE and we parted friends shortly after.

I did not contact him again and went my own way. I found a small hotel to stay near Parque Lleras owned by an American guy named Tom who was a former Florida cop. From what I heard, he has long since fled the scene and returned to US. Another American I know called Dave F. Owned a bar at the time in Parque Lleras called The Alamo. I met him there on of my first nights in MDE and also met this Colombian girl. She was with some friends and a cousin from Florida. We all ended up at her friends condo where her buddy told me go ahead and bang her if you want, which I promptly did at his condo. She ended up being a bit needy so threw back in the pond but did also monger a bit at one of the clubs. Think I was at Fase1 or something similar. Had one hottie from there before I left town.

However, a few weeks after I left, I read that the guy I met off ISG was found dead in a short term hotel room. Don't think they ever solved it like so many others since then.

I visited another time because I met a nice woman and her Mom who were traveling in Peru and invited me for a visit. Though I never got laid, I did enjoy my time with as as they took me to their relatives finca out by the airport. Overall it was a good time but as on my first trip it rained constantly and it was the cold and hard version so for me coming for the weather does not make sense.

But it seems to me that MDE is much too dangerous to even consider coming again. Going through all the elaborate means to hide your phone, vet the chicas, and generally keep your wits about you does not a good holiday make.

I'mfeeling a rise in drink prices soon at Rainbow 4-5. Barfine has been upped to pre Covity 1,000 baht.

Butterflies been charging 150 for a cola and gets a fraction of the Business the Rainbows get. Rainbow owners leaving way too much on the table.

Use the incremental money to get short time rooms open in Nana Plaza open Sirs. Hahaha.

Friday in Rainbow 4 was a Madhouse. If you want to see what Happy Bargirls look like go on a weekend. These girls are getting Barfined.

5 Rainbow does good business too.

Where the non prostitutional Hot Thai girls hang out.

Answer not in the Clubs where prostitution goes on. Duh. Example. Where guys here go.

Per Jett. Ex Thaiger you tube channel on air personality. Dude is Extremely Hansum, Intelligent and Well Spoken.

I trust him. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2763302]Visited Wood bar 3 x recently. Still the best BJ bar in BKK, despite any downsides. Went by a few other BJ bars and girls at the other BJ bars were not good in comparison, even to the lower end of Wood Bar girls. The new price at 800 baht is a complete winner. 800 straight, no tip, no girls cost extra like in the past, get your BJs on for 800. For those seeing the Wood Bar website, I don't think they've updated the staff there in years. Most times had about 10-12 girls to choose form.

Short of it: All were good and all offered 2 pops + swallow. Doesn't really matter who you choose at Wood bar, just find one that looks ok to you and go for it.

First time, early evening before going out drinking. About 6 girls working. All acceptable, choose one that looked good with a bit of a thick body but not fat at all. Medium BJ but she did 2 pops, swallow and made it happen great. No complaints. Usually on 2 pops, they just keep going. She had me clean up after the first one, then sit back down and started again. This was fine of course, just unexpected.

Second time. Roughly 10-12 girls, saw the same girl I had before but decided to try another. Spoke decent English. Good BJ, 2 pops CIM swallow, no issue with 2 pops or any of it.

Third time. Like the second time, early evening, about a dozen girls, tried a new one, repeat of the same process. 2 pops CIM swallow, although this time I could hear another guy in a room a couple doors down which was pretty awkward.[/QUOTE]For clarity, the 800 baht fee includes 2 pops? This is news to me. As far as I know it's 1 pop for the 800 baht.

And if you're getting 2 pops in one sitting, how long do you end up being in that little BJ room?

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Walk in, find Dunkin Donuts. I don't see what I want (and I AM beginning to detect a pattern here). Ask, and it seems that the chocolate Bavarian is no more. WTF? Now that IS a crushing blow. It's a chocolate donut with a cream filling, hard chocolate shell on top. It's even on their website. How hard is that to make? They certainly have powdered Bavarians for sale. Seems that their menu has been sharply curtailed.

Devastated, I take the opportunity of the proximity of the sky train to Patpong.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that was their best donut, the only reason I ever stopped to buy anything at Dunkin' Donuts. A major loss. Right up there with, I think, McDs recently discontinuing their dipped chocolate shell option for their ice cream cones. Can't seem to find one that still offers it.

Anyway, the next best option for that kind of donut is at Tim Horton's, the Canadian coffee and donut chain popping up all over Bangkok lately.

There is one in MBK right at the bts Skywalk entrance where Tokyu department store used to be. Also on Sukhumvit Soi 2 above the McDonald's.

Being a Canadian company they also have a maple iced version of that donut. Good donuts in general. Maybe the best standard donuts in Bangkok now. Except for the original glazed at Krispy Kreme, of course.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2763244]I use Wise a lot for TT transfers but don't have a card. What fees are you paying to use the ATM features? Online is quoting two free AUD $350 withdrawals per month then $1. 50 plus 1. 75%. Does that match what you are seeing in the real world?[/QUOTE]Those fees and restrictions are why I DON'T have a Wise card. I use Wise strictly for bank to bank transfers, whether to a receiving bank account or to a bank card (UnionBank China comes to mind). The whole reason is to find a method, like Schwab, that eliminates or reimburses fees. Those percentage fees get to be killers on long trips.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2763251]I put 75,000 baht into Thai currency on Wise and didn't use it at all. I know I can charge on Visa to use that money but is there another way to get it out in Thailand? Haven't looked into this since they first introduced the Wise card but you can't make ATM withdrawals through Wise Visa, or can you?[/QUOTE]I don't know, sorry. I have my own bank's visa travel credit card which has no foreign transaction fees.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2763308]In reality it can save a person 2-5% across the board for cash transactions internationally.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The whole point is to eliminate fees, and foreign transaction fees can add up.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2763312]I have always found Xe to be a convenient app. With Schwab I almost always immediately take a picture of my ATM slip with my phone as a back up. Way too easy to lose those babies.[/QUOTE]GREAT idea.

Previously, I would call in to their 800 number and ask them for a temporary increase in the daily limit (currently $1000 USD). I think I had it raised to $1500, maybe even $2000 pre-covid. THIS time, the request was denied, no explanation. Fine, their loss as they'll have more ATM fees to reimburse. The other appreciated thing is their customer services reps are in the US and are all native English speakers, so never a problem with accents. They do pay interest on money in the account, but so small as to be negligible.

Travel notices are now entered on-line; years past, it was call-in.

[QUOTE=StreamFlyer;2759730]This info will be extremely useful when I visit in Jan so thank you NY. If you don't mind me asking, what was the average damage for a 90 min session? I'm sure the price varied with the girls and shops.[/QUOTE]Thanks StreamFlyer, I'm glad my reports*are still helping. Most of my sessions were 90 minutes, and since most of the girls I had were in the oilies I'd have to say around US 80 bucks. Some cost more like Venus, some cost less like Can Can, but averaged across the board, I'd say it was around 80 bucks before tip. Have a great trip in January! Man, wish I was back there. *.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2759715]Just must say how incredible your reports are. I visited BKK ages ago, and wasn't going back anytime soon, but now I kind of want to. Tons of useful intel; hell, a newbie can build a trip itinerary from these reports. Kudos![/QUOTE]I really appreciate that Xpartan. From most of the responses here in the thread plus the messages I got, my reports got mostly positive*feedback, I'm glad. I wanted to give back to the community, through this and other forums I was able to glean a lot of info that helped make my trip this time around way*better than the last time. And just like you I was in Bangkok many years ago, and I never thought of going back, but I'm so glad I did this time. The lock downs*kinda sucked, but it made real what truly matters in life, and that's pussy. You should totally do it, go back to Bangkok again. The city is much changed from years before, easier to get around now, and better facilities and amenities than before but still pretty affordable. *.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2763394]Anyway, the next best option for that kind of donut is at Tim Horton's, the Canadian coffee and donut chain popping up all over Bangkok lately.

There is one in MBK right at the bts Skywalk entrance where Tokyu department store used to be. Also on Sukhumvit Soi 2 above the McDonald's.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the head's up, will be checking those out earlier rather than later. MBK kind of threw me, last time I was there, 3 years ago, I remembered the Tokyu department store. Now that space seems to be Donki, one of a number of Donki stores, another off of Soi Ekkamai, soi 12, and another seems to be going up on Silom near Patpong. Will have to check out, I'm a big fan of Daiso.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2763378]For clarity, the 800 baht fee includes 2 pops? This is news to me. As far as I know it's 1 pop for the 800 baht.

And if you're getting 2 pops in one sitting, how long do you end up being in that little BJ room?[/QUOTE]Its supposed to be like 30 minutes or something. If you want to keep going after pop 1, some girls are fine with it and just normal, if not just ask to and most will say ok, sure 2 is fine. YMMV, if you're a 65 year old fat aussie bloke, you're getting your ass kicked out of the room as soon as she can. Other people, different.

Even when it was Dr. BJs the same applied. Some girls just want you in and out fast, others are totally fine to just keep going for the whole time. I've been here plenty over the years, if you're decently good looking and not a fat slob or old, some girls are actually into being in there giving bjs to a decently looking guy, others aren't. Oddly, I'd actually say Wood bar is one of the "truer" places where you can more easily figure out if a girl is actually into giving the BJ or not. They're all sex workers, but some are on board with whats happening.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2763637]Its supposed to be like 30 minutes or something. If you want to keep going after pop 1, some girls are fine with it and just normal, if not just ask to and most will say ok, sure 2 is fine. YMMV, if you're a 65 year old fat aussie bloke, you're getting your ass kicked out of the room as soon as she can. Other people, different.

Even when it was Dr. BJs the same applied. Some girls just want you in and out fast, others are totally fine to just keep going for the whole time. I've been here plenty over the years, if you're decently good looking and not a fat slob or old, some girls are actually into being in there giving bjs to a decently looking guy, others aren't. Oddly, I'd actually say Wood bar is one of the "truer" places where you can more easily figure out if a girl is actually into giving the BJ or not. They're all sex workers, but some are on board with whats happening.[/QUOTE]30 minutes. That's what I thought. 2 pops in 30 minutes? That was me 30/40 years ago. Sigh!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2763165]Walk in, find Dunkin Donuts. I don't see what I want. Ask, and it seems that the chocolate Bavarian is no more. WTF? Now that IS a crushing blow. It's a chocolate donut with a cream filling, hard chocolate shell on top. It's even on their website. How hard is that to make? They certainly have powdered Bavarians for sale. Seems that their menu has been sharply curtailed.[/QUOTE]Tragedy! Time to call for the quick reaction force!

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2763637]Its supposed to be like 30 minutes or something. If you want to keep going after pop 1, some girls are fine with it and just normal, if not just ask to and most will say ok, sure 2 is fine. YMMV, if you're a 65 year old fat aussie bloke, you're getting your ass kicked out of the room as soon as she can. Other people, different.

Even when it was Dr. BJs the same applied. Some girls just want you in and out fast, others are totally fine to just keep going for the whole time. I've been here plenty over the years, if you're decently good looking and not a fat slob or old, some girls are actually into being in there giving bjs to a decently looking guy, others aren't. Oddly, I'd actually say Wood bar is one of the "truer" places where you can more easily figure out if a girl is actually into giving the BJ or not. They're all sex workers, but some are on board with whats happening.[/QUOTE]Be careful avg age of member here is OLD. Prolly not all that Hansum either. Hahaha.

Hansum vs non Hansum. Does it really Matter to a Sex worker?

Any thoughts. Assumption not outlier customers,. Monkeypox lesions on 500 pound body, etc.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2763641]30 minutes. That's what I thought. 2 pops in 30 minutes? That was me 30/40 years ago. Sigh![/QUOTE]I read some of the posts and visited there today. It is 30 minutes Max and normal people can cum only 1 time for 800 baht. There is another package for 1500, the duration is 1 hours and can make you cum 2 times with BJ or FS.

My dick is a lazy dude, he normally doesn't want to cum for normal BJs and the lady I chose tried really hard about 20-25 minutes to make me cum. She opened her bras and allowed me to squeeze her ass and rub her pussy and finally I released the load into her mouth. After spitting that off she talked happily and was smiling. I felt pity about her and tipped her 100 for the efforts. The place is clean and I will go back again.

[QUOTE=Gajith;2763800]I read some of the posts and visited there today. It is 30 minutes Max and normal people can cum only 1 time for 800 baht. There is another package for 1500, the duration is 1 hours and can make you cum 2 times with BJ or FS.[/QUOTE]I went there on my first night in Thailand, the girl made me cum pretty quickly by BBBJ.

She then said "give 1000 more and you can fuck me if you want".

I asked how long we can stay here? She said 30 minutes.

I said hey I don't know if I can get it up and finish again before the 30 minutes is finished.

She said "don't worry, I take care you", we did it and I could even take her ass if I wanted to, but I didn't need it at that time. We did the 2 shots but it was then 1800 Baht.

Stats on the 7 Africans I saw on Soi 4 last night.

Weight. 230 pounds.

Height. 5 Feet.

Body shape. Very Plumpish.

Face quality. Don't think scale goes that low.

Avg scores. So some might be better or you know.

Anyone know. Do they make money?

Well EVERY mall, shop, restaurant, etc. has their Christmas decorations up within the past couple of days, with Christmas carols playing as the muzak everywhere. Even Meet the World had Christmas lights up inside, and my [I]fav[/I] was wearing her Christmas earrings this afternoon. I'm NO bah humbug type, but all this just seems a little incongruous with the environment.

Scored some Tim Horton donuts today; will see how they are tomorrow for breakfast.

Will also confirm the usefulness of having Line on your mobile. Able to reschedule several [I]meetings[/I] with stars without any problems.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2763664]Be careful avg age of member here is OLD. Prolly not all that Hansum either. Hahaha.

Hansum vs non Hansum. Does it really Matter to a Sex worker?

Any thoughts. Assumption not outlier customers,. Monkeypox lesions on 500 pound body, etc.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, with a bit of luck, you'll be here someday because, methinks, the alternative is not all that much fun, though I'm in no rush to find out.

I have always had a lot of luck with TF. Generally, I start by paying for a month of service. Then, I have contact a girl, and after one or two messages I ask her if she is interested in getting together. Occasionally, I have asked the girl if she is freelance. If the girl is interested, I ask her to send me her LineID or WhatsApp (not many have WhatsApp in Thailand) and when I contact her there, I quickly move onto practical questions such as price, level of service, etc.

Recently, I read here that some people come straight to the point on TF and ask the girl directly if she is a freelancer. On Date in Asia (DIA), this would get one expelled. Indeed, I have been expelled several times from DIA, as well as Tinder (which I cannot get back on without getting a new phone number). It occurred to me that if they really do not expel people from the service, I could cut through a bunch of messages and simply have a profile that says "Looking for hookups" and maybe state "FL / ONS welcome."

Has anyone here ever been expelled from TF for their profiles or directly negotiating a sexual service? If so, were you a paying member? Does anyone know the true boundaries of their moderators?

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2763854]Stats on the 7 Africans I saw on Soi 4 last night.

Weight. 230 pounds.

Height. 5 Feet.

Body shape. Very Plumpish.

Face quality. Don't think scale goes that low.

Avg scores. So some might be better or you know.

Anyone know. Do they make money?[/QUOTE]African dudes, Arab dudes and the Western guys who like that. Mostly the first two.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2763875]I have always had a lot of luck with TF. Generally, I start by paying for a month of service. Then, I have contact a girl, and after one or two messages I ask her if she is interested in getting together. Occasionally, I have asked the girl if she is freelance. If the girl is interested, I ask her to send me her LineID or WhatsApp (not many have WhatsApp in Thailand) and when I contact her there, I quickly move onto practical questions such as price, level of service, etc.

Recently, I read here that some people come straight to the point on TF and ask the girl directly if she is a freelancer. On Date in Asia (DIA), this would get one expelled. Indeed, I have been expelled several times from DIA, as well as Tinder (which I cannot get back on without getting a new phone number). It occurred to me that if they really do not expel people from the service, I could cut through a bunch of messages and simply have a profile that says "Looking for hookups" and maybe state "FL / ONS welcome."

Has anyone here ever been expelled from TF for their profiles or directly negotiating a sexual service? If so, were you a paying member? Does anyone know the true boundaries of their moderators?[/QUOTE]Doesn't seem like TF is moderated. But I also don't think you need to headline your profile with seeking FLers. Just message them and ask if they are FL. Seems like at this point 90% of the girls on TF aree FL anyways.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2763637]Its supposed to be like 30 minutes or something. If you want to keep going after pop 1, some girls are fine with it and just normal, if not just ask to and most will say ok, sure 2 is fine. YMMV, if you're a 65 year old fat aussie bloke, you're getting your ass kicked out of the room as soon as she can. Other people, different.

Even when it was Dr. BJs the same applied. Some girls just want you in and out fast, others are totally fine to just keep going for the whole time. I've been here plenty over the years, if you're decently good looking and not a fat slob or old, some girls are actually into being in there giving bjs to a decently looking guy, others aren't. Oddly, I'd actually say Wood bar is one of the "truer" places where you can more easily figure out if a girl is actually into giving the BJ or not. They're all sex workers, but some are on board with whats happening.[/QUOTE]Man I wish I knew this whilst there. It was already such a good deal as is, a BJ for $22, but 2 pops for the same price is incredible value.

Thanks for the feedback.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2763664]Be careful avg age of member here is OLD. Prolly not all that Hansum either. Hahaha.

Hansum vs non Hansum. Does it really Matter to a Sex worker?

Any thoughts. Assumption not outlier customers,. Monkeypox lesions on 500 pound body, etc.[/QUOTE]They're only human. As a guy smashing a girl that's young, beautiful and slim is a completely differenr experience than smashing an older, fat, unattractive woman. So, it stands to reason it'the be similar for women. Ultimately, money talks for them but I'm sure they enjoy a good looking guy's junk in their mouth over an ugly fat guy's. LOL. But don't worry, most mongers are mongers because they're average to below average in looks.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2763664]Be careful avg age of member here is OLD. Prolly not all that Hansum either. Hahaha.

Hansum vs non Hansum. Does it really Matter to a Sex worker?

Any thoughts. Assumption not outlier customers,. Monkeypox lesions on 500 pound body, etc.[/QUOTE]No one wants to hear this, but we all know its true. Its not just thailand, its sex work. These girls are a lot less interested in an obese 70 year old asshole desperate for action, rather than a younger person just decent looking who takes care of themselves and doesn't stink.

People are going to have different experiences depending on their looks and desperation. Doesn't' matter if its a strip club in some random American city, a German FKK, or Thai MP. When any girl that works at any of these places see an old fat guy walk in, they just have to power through it and hope he's a big enough dolt or desperate enough to give her extra money, not that they don't think the same thing from everyone else, but they'd rather be with someone who is decent than not, and it goes a long way, a lot longer than people want to admit it does, and the girls you pay won't tell you this, but if you've ever known sex workers outside of the industry and not a patron of these, they'll tell you the same.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2763854]Stats on the 7 Africans I saw on Soi 4 last night.

Weight. 230 pounds.

Height. 5 Feet.

Body shape. Very Plumpish.

Face quality. Don't think scale goes that low.

Avg scores. So some might be better or you know.

Anyone know. Do they make money?[/QUOTE]African sex workers abroad have a very negative reputation, for a variety of reasons. It may be valid or not, but that's the general thoughts around their whole situation. Are they getting work? Yeah probably, there's an audience for it, but I don't believe they are really "welcome" with the local girls and have to do their own thing in their own area.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2763664]Be careful avg age of member here is OLD. Prolly not all that Hansum either. Hahaha.

Hansum vs non Hansum. Does it really Matter to a Sex worker?

Any thoughts. Assumption not outlier customers,. Monkeypox lesions on 500 pound body, etc.[/QUOTE]Some sex workers assume a young and / or handsome man has had sex with many ladies and that many of those ladies agreed to bareback sex with him. Consequently, they might dig in and refuse to go bareback with him for fear of catching an STD. By contrast, they might be fine with going bareback with a fat, ugly old man they assume has not gotten laid in his home country for years and isn't getting bareback sex here either. She might not worry too much about being the "exception" for that dude if the price is right.

Extra advantage to the fat, ugly old man for getting no hassle BBFS+CIP if she thinks he just arrived in town. She might play on the premise that he not only hasn't gotten laid for years back home but that he also hasn't gotten laid on this trip yet either. Then, she calculates, if she rocks his world in bed like he never dreamed would happen to him, this "loser in sex" will want to repeat with her throughout his entire stay and not even try to session with anyone else.

Of course, the Thai hooker has got it all wrong. Most fat, ugly old punters I know are getting more no hassle bareback sex with more different women here than the hookers can imagine. And for the reason cited above. Each hooker calculates (wrongly) that she is the "exception" for him getting BBFS+CIP. LOL.

Yes, the irony is the hookers who think they are playing it safer by going bareback with only fat, ugly old men are in all likelihood actually exposing themselves to more multiple partner bareback STD risk than they would if they did it with young and / or handsome men, most of whom get more resistance to bareback sex for the reason stated above.

Ditto for cum swallowing at the end of a BBBJ+CIM.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2763933]African sex workers abroad have a very negative reputation, for a variety of reasons. It may be valid or not, but that's the general thoughts around their whole situation. Are they getting work? Yeah probably, there's an audience for it, but I don't believe they are really "welcome" with the local girls and have to do their own thing in their own area.[/QUOTE]Well I for one have the hots for brown sugar so African freelancers are right up my soi. I'm going to BKK in January and I'm constantly looking at "Walking on Soi 4-11" videos on Youtube to gauge how many Africans there currently is in BKK.

One might ask: "If you're so into Africans, why do you go to BKK?" Well there are a lot of reasons. It's a cheap city. Easy to live as a king. Great food. Great balance between high tech and low prices. Massage parlors. BJ bars. Familiarity with the city. Knowing the scene. And most importantly: Even though I'm a sucker for Africans, I do love Thai women as well. The best ones are petite, happy, smiling, funny, cute, with incredible soft skin. But sometimes you just want a black mega ass to sit on your face!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2763394]Yeah, that was their best donut, the only reason I ever stopped to buy anything at Dunkin' Donuts. A major loss. Right up there with, I think, McDs recently discontinuing their dipped chocolate shell option for their ice cream cones. Can't seem to find one that still offers it.

Anyway, the next best option for that kind of donut is at Tim Horton's, the Canadian coffee and donut chain popping up all over Bangkok lately.

There is one in MBK right at the bts Skywalk entrance where Tokyu department store used to be. Also on Sukhumvit Soi 2 above the McDonald's.

Being a Canadian company they also have a maple iced version of that donut. Good donuts in general. Maybe the best standard donuts in Bangkok now. Except for the original glazed at Krispy Kreme, of course.[/QUOTE]Tim Horton's used to be Canadian owned. In 2014 Timmy's was bought by Restaurants International Inc. The owners of Wendy's and Popeye chicken and other interests. Tim Horton's has gone downhill since with poor quality products.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2763897]African dudes, Arab dudes and the Western guys who like that. Mostly the first two.[/QUOTE]I've seen plenty of white guys with them as well in Bangkok and Pattaya. Let's stop with the BS.

Nana Plaza Monday.

Looks like it's going to be a Merry Merry Christmas. The Indians are back in Town. Haha.

Just one Data Point. First time this current trip they stood out so much so I noticed.

Is it realistic for a single farang (good budget) to head over to Thaniya and be able to select 5-6 japanese oriented thai girls, have a fun party with drinks in a room and end up in an orgy with all of them? Yes, I know a 1+6 thinkg is easy to organize at other venues, but I'd like to experience the Karaoke version.

My goal is to be a bit drunk, get nekkid and have 2-3 pops with a few equally drunk girls in a KTV room. Fuck around while drinking, dancing and singing, basically.

[QUOTE=Confiable;2764141]I've seen plenty of white guys with them as well in Bangkok and Pattaya. Let's stop with the BS.[/QUOTE]Never said their aren't white guys who like 'them, and why is it BS? Certain tourist groups like the ladies large. Ever been to the Grace Coffee Shop during the old days? Your not telling us that their is no discrimination against Africans from the Asian ladies?

I daresay that most western tourists who visit BKK do not do so with an African girl in mind, especially 'Muricans, who can find them by the dozens at home.

[QUOTE=Farcondee;2763949]Well I for one have the hots for brown sugar so African freelancers are right up my soi. I'm going to BKK in January and I'm constantly looking at "Walking on Soi 4-11" videos on Youtube to gauge how many Africans there currently is in BKK.

One might ask: "If you're so into Africans, why do you go to BKK?" Well there are a lot of reasons. It's a cheap city. Easy to live as a king. Great food. Great balance between high tech and low prices. Massage parlors. BJ bars. Familiarity with the city. Knowing the scene. And most importantly: Even though I'm a sucker for Africans, I do love Thai women as well. The best ones are petite, happy, smiling, funny, cute, with incredible soft skin. But sometimes you just want a black mega ass to sit on your face![/QUOTE]"But sometimes you just want a black mega ass to sit on your face!

This made me laugh haha. The afro chicks I see in Thailand don't have arses that I would want sitting on my face, but that is just me.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2763875]I have always had a lot of luck with TF. Generally, I start by paying for a month of service. Then, I have contact a girl, and after one or two messages I ask her if she is interested in getting together. Occasionally, I have asked the girl if she is freelance. If the girl is interested, I ask her to send me her LineID or WhatsApp (not many have WhatsApp in Thailand) and when I contact her there, I quickly move onto practical questions such as price, level of service, etc.

Recently, I read here that some people come straight to the point on TF and ask the girl directly if she is a freelancer. On Date in Asia (DIA), this would get one expelled. Indeed, I have been expelled several times from DIA, as well as Tinder (which I cannot get back on without getting a new phone number). It occurred to me that if they really do not expel people from the service, I could cut through a bunch of messages and simply have a profile that says "Looking for hookups" and maybe state "FL / ONS welcome."

Has anyone here ever been expelled from TF for their profiles or directly negotiating a sexual service? If so, were you a paying member? Does anyone know the true boundaries of their moderators?[/QUOTE]DIA seems to have gotten better. I have messaged many girls about having fun but not expelled yet. Only one time I got expelled because I used choice words on a ladyboy when he insisted that he is a girl. Maybe in his mind but not mine. You cannot discuss money on DIA. For that you take them to WhatsApp or messenger or any other app. Even on DIA you cannot get back once expelled because they have a facial recognition software even if you have a new number, location, new e mail.

[QUOTE=BHawk;2764175]Is it realistic for a single farang (good budget) to head over to Thaniya and be able to select 5-6 japanese oriented thai girls, have a fun party with drinks in a room and end up in an orgy with all of them? Yes, I know a 1+6 thinkg is easy to organize at other venues, but I'd like to experience the Karaoke version.

My goal is to be a bit drunk, get nekkid and have 2-3 pops with a few equally drunk girls in a KTV room. Fuck around while drinking, dancing and singing, basically.[/QUOTE]I'm a single farang, but older, and I walked through that area last week. Although a few girls gave me some positive attention, they were aggressively marketing to the few groups of young, well dressed, Asian men. Regardless of what goes on in those places, you are starting out a couple steps behind their target demographic.

Should you stray over to Patpong, beware of girls promising one thing and failing to deliver in the room. I doubt that I'll return to that area, though it was interesting to see one time.

I was never much of a fan of Patpong.

When I first arrived here years ago it was either the craziness of the night market or the reputation of the scams in the upstairs bars that kept me from visiting frequently, not to mention the (slight) inconvenience of a BTS switch at Siam station for those of us who live along the Sukhumvit line. Nonetheless, I did find some of the older (legit) venues charming in kind of a timeless way. Whether it was a late breakfast at the Madrid restaurant, the occasional beer at a street-level outdoor bar in the alley between Patpong Soi 1 and Soi 2, or a show at one of the more well-known clubs, their old-fashioned style and more laid-back nature appealed to me.

I had heard Patpong was "quiet" post Covid, so I spent the past month or so scouting out the area to get a feel for what's really going on. I visited on weekdays, weekends, afternoons and evenings and made sure to visit the most famous BJ places, as outlined below.

Kangaroo Club (Patpong 1) is unfortunately closed. There is no sign of it on the downstairs door, no outdoor sign, and no decal on the upstairs window. Like a lot of places in Patpong, it simply doesn't exist any more.

Rose Bar (Patpong 1) is open but apparently on its last legs. As you approach the entrance, a guard will appear to let you in, as before. He rings the bell and then you walk up a steep staircase to the bar. At the top, when I went, I was greeted by Mamasan who, as it turns out, was the only employee working there that day. There were no signs of any other employees, and Mama told me they left because they were "scared of Covid". Well, that had to have been 2+ years ago, so I've no idea what the deal is with their staff, but apparently they don't really have any, or at least they didn't that day. I ordered a beer and bought one for Mama with the intention of chatting for a few minutes before leaving. Halfway through my beer, Mama starts stroking me and whispering that she wants to blow me. I wasn't really into it, but it had been a long week and I figured it would be my last-ever BJ there. I let her go at it and she did a surprisingly decent job. Finished up, down the stairs to street level. I may return one final time to confirm that they really don't have any staff members (it's always good to check a place out twice, I find, just to triangulate) but if they don't, I won't stay. Can't recommend this place in its present format and my guess is it won't be around much longer: it's decline seems both terminal and irreversible.

Meet the World Bar (Patpong 2, up the ramp). This place has had so many names over the years it's hard to keep track of: COB's, Linda's Place, The World, and now "Meet the World" is stenciled on the door, so I'll go with that. Approached it from the ramp and noted that a few girls were outside eating. They waved me over and I went inside. There were 5 girls working and Mamasan behind the bar. This was more like it. I bought drinks for a few of the girls, which made them happy and then we proceeded to get to know one another. It's a very hands-on place (think Pandora's in Pattaya before the new owner took it over) which is my main criterion. I'd much rather spend an afternoon with an older but hands-on MILF than a 23-year-old hottie in a Pattaya G-club who doesn't let me hold her hand until after I've bought her 10 drinks.

Anyway, the girls' clothing started coming off and sometime during my second drink they began undressing me. They're really good about stripping everybody down there, so if you're the least bit shy it's not the place for you (Mama locks the door before all this occurs, of course). I won't bore you with the details (smirk) but suffice it to say that it can get pretty wild in there. You'll have a lot of female body parts shoved in your face, and you can have as many providers as you want service you. My advice is to buy a few of them drinks, get all of those ones naked, but then pick only one (or two if you like) for the BJ. That will help keep the overall cost down since this way you only pay the BJ fee for the one (s) who actually service you. The others get their money through the drinks and a small tip you provide at the end. Be polite, but firm and you'll be fine in this regard. You'll still have a lot of fun but the check won't be outrageous. If they sense you're a newbie, though, you'll get tourist treatment / prices.

Star of Light (Patpong 2). Beneath Meet the World Bar is the infamous Star of Light. Like a beacon in the night, its white sign beckons to all who approach. It's just a small place with a few couches, a small bar, and a tiny restroom (no shower). There's also a mattress at the back, if you prefer. There was only one provider the first time I went, but more on duty when I swung by again last week. Overall, it's a nice enough place and there's no pressure / girl pile-on like there is at Meet the World, where you find yourself surrounded by sexy women and then before you know it your wallet is empty! I found both providers to be decent in the looks and personalities departments and who provided good enough service.

TLDR: Patpong area is extremely quiet, but a few of its most infamous BJ bars, besides Kangaroo Club, which is closed, are still around; Rose Bar: open but recommend you take a pass; Meet the World: the most / best girls and a nice raunchy hands-on time but hang on to your wallet; Star of Light: a good laid-back fun time.

Enjoy it while you can, fellas. My view is that Patpong actually isn't quiet. It's dead. And it's difficult to see how the entire area can be economically viable when so many establishments have simply ceased to exist and the ones that do exist are without many customers.

Hey guys,

Was at levels the other day got a quote of 20000 for long time. I didn't go and ended up with another less atractive girl for 5000 (not good service) is 20000 to be expected for top quality? Or was this one off. I also countered regrettingly with 14000 and she said no.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2763901]Doesn't seem like TF is moderated. But I also don't think you need to headline your profile with seeking FLers. Just message them and ask if they are FL. Seems like at this point 90% of the girls on TF are FL anyways.[/QUOTE]By my estimates, only about 10% of the girls on TF are freelancers, not 90%. But, no one messages the fat or ugly ones or the ones that are looking for someone who believes in God and is faithful, etc. So the effective portion of girls who are available for P4P seems higher. Thus it's easy enough to find the FLs. But I go through too much messaging to get to the girl who meets my goals- that is why I asked the question.

By the way, a small number of girls say that they are FLs or looking for a sugar daddy in their profile. A few even give pricing. I have noticed that they are still on the site.

If anyone has a suggestion for a girl who would like to "wife up" for a week, and is not adverse to threesomes from time to time, please message me her contact information. This is my ideal way to pass 10 days in BKK: a pretty "wife" or "guide" for mornings and dinners (who comes and goes but meets up in the evenings) and a handful of other ladies for diversity.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2764380]I was never much of a fan of Patpong.

When I first arrived here years ago it was either the craziness of the night market or the reputation of the scams in the upstairs bars that kept me from visiting frequently, not to mention the (slight) inconvenience of a BTS switch at Siam station for those of us who live along the Sukhumvit line.

TLDR: Patpong area is extremely quiet, but a few of its most infamous BJ bars, besides Kangaroo Club, which is closed, are still around; Rose Bar: open but recommend you take a pass; Meet the World: the most / best girls and a nice raunchy hands-on time but hang on to your wallet; Star of Light: a good laid-back fun time.[/QUOTE]Great informative FR. Some of the best advice I ever got was from an old Thailand hand before I first came in the mid '90's: "If you go to Patpong, the downstairs bars are [I]safe[/I]. If you want to go to an upstairs bar for a [I]show[/I], take a girl from Nana with you. She'll keep you safe. " Great advice and she did (she wants your wallet for herself). When a tout for a [I]show[/I] started leading us away from direct stairs up, he turned right, and she pulled me left, saying something was fishy. One line of hers I've NEVER forgotten: one act was p*ssy drinks coke. Upside down bicycle, full liter of coke inserted, drained, then she turns upright, squats over the bottle, and refills. [I]My[/I] girl turns to me and says "I'm never drinking coke again. " One of those truly [B]memorable[/B] moments.

Kangaroo, visited once or twice back in the '90's but just didn't catch my fancy. [U]I[/U] won't miss it but some might.

The Rose. That bar has more lives than a cat. Back in the 90's it was a fun place, good for [I]in-house[/I] service or even take away. It declined in the 00's, came back, and the last time I was actually inside, seeing ghosts, was about 6 years ago. I've been past there myself several times during the afternoon. No sign of life. For some unnatural reason, it STILL exerts a gravitational pull on me, but so far, I've resisted.

Been past the SOL in the early to mid-afternoon, and the bar is closed, plywood on the door with cleaning supplies propped up. No girls sitting outside. Glad to hear it's still functional later in the day. That place [B]IS[/B] an institution.

Been to Meet the World a couple of times (16:00 and even 13:00 fully [I]staffed[/I], 4 ladies). I like the place. They intuitively put on tunes that I enjoy, and the [I]natives[/I] are [I]friendly[/I], definitely a [I]hands-on[/I] place. A lady drink is 150 baht, buying a lady one will remove her clothes. A beer is 100 baht, a BJ 800. Clarify the price FIRST. My first time back, I did, with no problems. 2nd time, 10 days later, they gave me a tourist bill, but I just had them correct it (as reported in FR). The ladies might not be in the 19-21 bracket, but they are fun and [I]skilled[/I]. Given the history of that bar, it would be a tragedy if it disappears.

Again, great FR and filled in some gaps in my knowledge base. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2764409]By my estimates, only about 10% of the girls on TF are freelancers, not 90%. But, no one messages the fat or ugly ones or the ones that are looking for someone who believes in God and is faithful, etc. So the effective portion of girls who are available for P4P seems higher. Thus it's easy enough to find the FLs. But I go through too much messaging to get to the girl who meets my goals- that is why I asked the question.
By the way, a small number of girls say that they are FLs or looking for a sugar daddy in their profile. A few even give pricing. I have noticed that they are still on the site.
If anyone has a suggestion for a girl who would like to "wife up" for a week, and is not adverse to threesomes from time to time, please message me her contact information. This is my ideal way to pass 10 days in BKK: a pretty "wife" or "guide" for mornings and dinners (who comes and goes but meets up in the evenings) and a handful of other ladies for diversity.[/QUOTE]As in money don't put your eggs in one basket.

4 FoW2.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2764508]As in money don't put your eggs in one basket.

4 FoW2.[/QUOTE]Would you please translate? I do not mind being trolled, but I prefer to be trolled in English.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2764384]Hey guys,

Was at levels the other day got a quote of 20000 for long time. I didn't go and ended up with another less atractive girl for 5000 (not good service) is 20000 to be expected for top quality? Or was this one off. I also countered regrettingly with 14000 and she said no.[/QUOTE]About six weeks ago I was in BKK and had arranged to meet 4 ladies from Seeking Arrangement. I know these are not the typical ladies from bars, although at least 2 of three spent time in Level, Sugar, Oskar, etc. None wanted to discuss pricing online, but where happy to meet. I made it quite clear that while I understood how financial discussions are best done in person, I would not be paying for the pleasure of their company of dinner, if the evening didn't continue past dinner. I also required a video call before we met to verify photos. One of the four disqualified herself on the video call, when she didn't even put on lipstick and all I can say is thank goodness for make up.

Two of the three remaining were all they seemed to be, elegant, well dressed, good personalities and very attractive. All mid-30's which is my personal sweet spot. When the dinner was reaching the time for the check and a decision, we discussed compensation. One said that she was accustomed to receiving 20,000 baht per encounter, but was open to less if I was willing to prepay for a couple of weeks in advance. This lady was spectacular in most ways, even if she was a professional companion. I politely declined which she seemed very surprised. The next day she sent a message and asked me if she had done something wrong to offended me. I told I enjoyed our time together and was sure she was a spectacular companion, but that I would not be interested in almost any lady at that price range. The experience for me was not worth that much money, and that I could have similar experience for a week at that price. I told her she should ask as much as she wanted and I did not blame her, but I wasn't interested at that pricing level and did not want to insult her with a counter that would have been much less than half of what she asked.

The second of three wanted 10 K for the whole night, and she was also a very desirable lady, but I countered with 6 and she said 9 for short time. At that point I lost interest and paid the dinner tab and got her a cab. She messaged a couple of days after and said that she knew that 10 K was not an issue for me and didn't understand why I was such a hard ass. I said the 10 K didn't include the evening's cost's which I was happy to accept, but the other options available in BKK provided similar opportunity for me at a much lower cost. She asked why I didn't pay her something for her time at dinner, and I told her that if she had told me she wanted 10 K upfront she wouldn't have come to dinner and I explained my policy and she agreed before we met. The third lady told me she usually asked for 4 K, but "Liked" me and wanted to spend the evening together, so 3 would be fine. It turned to be a very fun time together, dinner, rooftop drinks, and very pleasant session in my room, followed by a BJ the next morning and breakfast. She was gone by 10:00 am. I did see her one other time during my stay and it was as good the second time. She was as close to a FL as I have had recently and while not as sophisticated, certainly was presentable.

This was a labor intensive process that took about 6 weeks total to arrange, but that was on me and to be honest was too long in advance. I think about 3 weeks out is a good time to start the search. I did have a few nice ones asking in the 7-10 K range as well. I also met 3 nice ladies at Oskar / Level that wanted 3 K and were worth it IMHO. All of them have other jobs and supplement their income in this fashion.

I don't blame the ladies for pushing up their prices, and good for them if they get it. I think many guys are embarrassed to say "no", I am respectful with them in every way. I will never say I would never pay a lady 20 K for a night, because being honest it is possible I could meet someone that would just totally knock my socks off and be "worth the investment", but I have not met her yet.

I will say the internet / Instagram "GPS" gals have certainly raised expectations, if not reality for many ladies. I suspect their friends all tell them they are getting huge sums, when the reality is much different.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2764562]About six weeks ago I was in BKK and had arranged to meet 4 ladies from Seeking Arrangement. I know these are not the typical ladies from bars, although at least 2 of three spent time in Level, Sugar, Oskar, etc. None wanted to discuss pricing online, but where happy to meet. I made it quite clear that while I understood how financial discussions are best done in person, I would not be paying for the pleasure of their company of dinner, if the evening didn't continue past dinner. I also required a video call before we met to verify photos. One of the four disqualified herself on the video call, when she didn't even put on lipstick and all I can say is thank goodness for make up.

Two of the three remaining were all they seemed to be, elegant, well dressed, good personalities and very attractive. All mid-30's which is my personal sweet spot. When the dinner was reaching the time for the check and a decision, we discussed compensation. One said that she was accustomed to receiving 20,000 baht per encounter, but was open to less if I was willing to prepay for a couple of weeks in advance. This lady was spectacular in most ways, even if she was a professional companion. I politely declined which she seemed very surprised. The next day she sent a message and asked me if she had done something wrong to offended me. I told I enjoyed our time together and was sure she was a spectacular companion, but that I would not be interested in almost any lady at that price range. The experience for me was not worth that much money, and that I could have similar experience for a week at that price. I told her she should ask as much as she wanted and I did not blame her, but I wasn't interested at that pricing level and did not want to insult her with a counter that would have been much less than half of what she asked.

The second of three wanted 10 K for the whole night, and she was also a very desirable lady, but I countered with 6 and she said 9 for short time. At that point I lost interest and paid the dinner tab and got her a cab. She messaged a couple of days after and said that she knew that 10 K was not an issue for me and didn't understand why I was such a hard ass.[/QUOTE]Some say online is cheaper. Which doesn't make sense when toothpaste online is much more expensive when you add in delivery fee.

Toothpaste or girl, both Commodities.

Not that I didn't know but to avoid Hurt feelings always discuss price ahead of time. They are Prostitute s and we are Johns.

No need to be thinking you are Romancing Good Girls. Haha.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2764562]About six weeks ago I was in BKK and had arranged to meet 4 ladies from Seeking Arrangement. I know these are not the typical ladies from bars, although at least 2 of three spent time in Level, Sugar, Oskar, etc. None wanted to discuss pricing online, but where happy to meet. I made it quite clear that while I understood how financial discussions are best done in person, I would not be paying for the pleasure of their company of dinner, if the evening didn't continue past dinner. I also required a video call before we met to verify photos. One of the four disqualified herself on the video call, when she didn't even put on lipstick and all I can say is thank goodness for make up.

Two of the three remaining were all they seemed to be, elegant, well dressed, good personalities and very attractive. All mid-30's which is my personal sweet spot. When the dinner was reaching the time for the check and a decision, we discussed compensation. One said that she was accustomed to receiving 20,000 baht per encounter, but was open to less if I was willing to prepay for a couple of weeks in advance. This lady was spectacular in most ways, even if she was a professional companion. I politely declined which she seemed very surprised. The next day she sent a message and asked me if she had done something wrong to offended me. I told I enjoyed our time together and was sure she was a spectacular companion, but that I would not be interested in almost any lady at that price range. The experience for me was not worth that much money, and that I could have similar experience for a week at that price. I told her she should ask as much as she wanted and I did not blame her, but I wasn't interested at that pricing level and did not want to insult her with a counter that would have been much less than half of what she asked.

The second of three wanted 10 K for the whole night, and she was also a very desirable lady, but I countered with 6 and she said 9 for short time. At that point I lost interest and paid the dinner tab and got her a cab. She messaged a couple of days after and said that she knew that 10 K was not an issue for me and didn't understand why I was such a hard ass. I said the 10 K didn't include the evening's cost's which I was happy to accept, but the other options available in BKK provided similar opportunity for me at a much lower cost. She asked why I didn't pay her something for her time at dinner, and I told her that if she had told me she wanted 10 K upfront she wouldn't have come to dinner and I explained my policy and she agreed before we met. The third lady told me she usually asked for 4 K, but "Liked" me and wanted to spend the evening together, so 3 would be fine. It turned to be a very fun time together, dinner, rooftop drinks, and very pleasant session in my room, followed by a BJ the next morning and breakfast. She was gone by 10:00 am. I did see her one other time during my stay and it was as good the second time. She was as close to a FL as I have had recently and while not as sophisticated, certainly was presentable.

This was a labor intensive process that took about 6 weeks total to arrange, but that was on me and to be honest was too long in advance. I think about 3 weeks out is a good time to start the search. I did have a few nice ones asking in the 7-10 K range as well. I also met 3 nice ladies at Oskar / Level that wanted 3 K and were worth it IMHO. All of them have other jobs and supplement their income in this fashion.

I don't blame the ladies for pushing up their prices, and good for them if they get it. I think many guys are embarrassed to say "no", I am respectful with them in every way. I will never say I would never pay a lady 20 K for a night, because being honest it is possible I could meet someone that would just totally knock my socks off and be "worth the investment", but I have not met her yet.

I will say the internet / Instagram "GPS" gals have certainly raised expectations, if not reality for many ladies. I suspect their friends all tell them they are getting huge sums, when the reality is much different.[/QUOTE]20 k, are they nuts? I could get a hot LA girl with all the option for that price. What are they thinking, talk about GPS. You did the right thing by clearly stating you limits and respectfully declining their ridiculous offer. I'll follow your lead and set the ground rules clearly.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2764247]"But sometimes you just want a black mega ass to sit on your face!

This made me laugh haha. The afro chicks I see in Thailand don't have arses that I would want sitting on my face, but that is just me.[/QUOTE]I read some posts about the experience as a variety change-of-pace on another bulletin board for addicts of Pattaya and tried it just before the pandemic (am white, just for the record). The beer bar across from the old tree on Walking Street had a selection and has just recently come back to life. One girl, from Kenya, met appearance standards and passed the interview. She wouldn't go below B2000ST but I decided to go ahead. Really unexpectedly outstanding, best ST of the trip. Walk of shame was interesting. Two old Russian women gave us a disapproving look and the girl noticed and gave it a nose-up defiant gesture of her own. She'd seen it before but I hadn't.

Great GFE as soon as the door shut to the hotel room, which I wasn't expecting. Felt like kind of a window into the culture. Showers and then much more foreplay than expected. Even did DATY for first time ever on a black chick. That's always a game-time decision and not one I was expecting. ANY kind of stray smell inside or outside or other negative indicator would have been a dealbreaker, but there wasn't any. Of course the main event was covered, though for me that's always made it harder to finish. This girl got on top and was really into it (always a big plus), and in 30 seconds or so I could feel the contractions. Amazingly reassuring, as I knew this one would have a happy ending. A minute or two later with the doggy position it finished me off. She was a bit of a cuddler after that.

I checked the same bar on the October trip and there were maybe 6-7 choices but no real qualifiers. Also some in Bangkok along Sukhumvit but none with great appeal. Am very skittish and picky. The experience above was only my third-ever black experience, the other two being in Amsterdam (one very good, one so-so). The very good one was as tall as me at 6 feet and a statuesque beauty. The window experience is always rushed but at the time if you wanted 3 holes some of the black girls would be much cheaper for that. Plus the variety thing.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2764562]
The second of three wanted 10 K for the whole night, and she was also a very desirable lady, but I countered with 6 and she said 9 for short time. At that point I lost interest and paid the dinner tab and got her a cab. She messaged a couple of days after and said that she knew that 10 K was not an issue for me and didn't understand why I was such a hard ass. I said the 10 K didn't include the evening's cost's which I was happy to accept, but the other options available in BKK provided similar opportunity for me at a much lower cost. She asked why I didn't pay her something for her time at dinner, and I told her that if she had told me she wanted 10 K upfront she wouldn't have come to dinner and I explained my policy and she agreed before we met. The third lady told me she usually asked for 4 K, but "Liked" me and wanted to spend the evening together, so 3 would be fine. It turned to be a very fun time together, dinner, rooftop drinks, and very pleasant session in my room, followed by a BJ the next morning and breakfast. She was gone by 10:00 am. I did see her one other time during my stay and it was as good the second time. She was as close to a FL as I have had recently and while not as sophisticated, certainly was presentable.

This was a labor intensive process that took about 6 weeks total to arrange, but that was on me and to be honest was too long in advance. I think about 3 weeks out is a good time to start the search. I did have a few nice ones asking in the 7-10 K range as well. I also met 3 nice ladies at Oskar / Level that wanted 3 K and were worth it IMHO. All of them have other jobs and supplement their income in this fashion.

I don't blame the ladies for pushing up their prices, and good for them if they get it. I think many guys are embarrassed to say "no", I am respectful with them in every way. I will never say I would never pay a lady 20 K for a night, because being honest it is possible I could meet someone that would just totally knock my socks off and be "worth the investment", but I have not met her yet.

I will say the internet / Instagram "GPS" gals have certainly raised expectations, if not reality for many ladies. I suspect their friends all tell them they are getting huge sums, when the reality is much different.[/QUOTE]That's a great lesson you shared, and important for others to see. Though sorry you had to expend so much labor on dinners. For myself, with so many hot girls in BKK, I can't justify anything near 20 k. As you said yourself, the girl at 3 k ended up being great overall, and I just can't imagine who would be hot enough to merit 6 times the cost. I'm not even ready (yet) to go to 6 k for LT. I guess if you're on Secret you can easily afford the 10 k without much thought, but like you mention, the girls at these asking prices are too presumptuous to be satisfying by the time you kiss goodbye (if they're even willing to do that) in the morning. I might go up 1 k for each level of looks, but like you, I had FL in August (also mid 30's) that I picked up at Soi 4 music bar and by the time she left at noon I was fully worn and satisfied. She was very attractive. Only a bit dark under the eyes in the morning and a couple millimeters of extra flesh in the belly and behind, but the continuous pleasure (3 k for about 8 hours, with only a few hours sleep) was all there. Compare her to some of the go go "models" asking 6-7 k LT, and lucky to have had the chance to grip their bodies at Nana only to find how untoned they were despite nice appearances.

Dinners are another matter. I'm going to follow your example by insisting on video chats for any possible LT, but I no longer have the patience you had for all the dinners, if they're going to add to high price, high time expenditure, and energy that could be put to better use. I did one dinner date with a civilian I met on tdr in August. She was 34 and hottttt, but her English wasn't so good, so the first date (unsuccessful) was really a downer. So tiring. But it only cost me a few hundred, and she was ready to go on the 2nd date (freebie heaven! But the whole process / uncertainty wore me out, so I opted to go back to ST / LT transactions. Even if she was a WG or FL, though, it wouldn't have been worth more than about 7 k to me.

Now the ones I also find intriguing are the special hotties who hold regular day jobs (like office jobs) but need extra cash. Unfortunately, they may not be available for LT, but they don't charge so much and damn are they amazing! They're also easy to follow up on. I think these are between 3 k ST-5 k LT. I don't think the 1-3 weeks advance chatting before the BKK trip helps much. I just make some contacts and then initiate real communication shortly before / after arrival. Sounds like you enjoy the dinner companionship, which I can understand. But in the end, I don't advocate the guys being too embarrassed to say no at these astronomical prices. I just don't see how it's worthwhile, and mongering wage inflation is becoming a threat in this SE Asian capital.

Stopped by Soi 7 Beer Garden today at 14:30. Certainly much improved from noon visit couple of weeks ago (3 waitresses, NO customers), but that's only RELATIVELY speaking. Today, there were 3 waitresses (sadly, not the one I've know for a decade+), half dozen old guys (includes myself), and a dozen FL's, all ridden hard and put away wet. Nam-a-Now (lime juice) 75 baht.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder;2764562]One said that she was accustomed to receiving 20,000 baht per encounter, but was open to less if I was willing to prepay for a couple of weeks in advance.

The second of three wanted 10 K for the whole night, and she was also a very desirable lady, but I countered with 6 and she said 9 for short time. [/QUOTE]Both, for me, the very definition of a spit-take.

But, like you say, if they can get[s]...[/s] After all, 1 20k/week, a bg has to be almost 60% successful for LT's every week for the same. For the escort, certainly less wear and tear on the [i]equipment[/i].

But for me, I'd be looking for the passage back to my own dimension.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764578]Not that I didn't know but to avoid Hurt feelings always discuss price ahead of time. They are Prostitute s and we are Johns.[/QUOTE]Agree: It IS [B]P[/B]4P; business negations before departing, just so there are NO misunderstandings. I always ask menu, price, ST / LT, always specifying pay AFTER. But after that, never brought up again, including subsequent [I]meetings[/I]. My first price is the price for her [I]experience[/I] and doesn't need to be discussed again.

Disagree: MY experience, girls are mirrors. Seems to me, it you treat them like a prostitute, they will treat you like a John. But if you treat them like a person, that's the way they treat you. My experience anyway.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2764192]Never said their aren't white guys who like 'them, and why is it BS? Certain tourist groups like the ladies large. Ever been to the Grace Coffee Shop during the old days? Your not telling us that their is no discrimination against Africans from the Asian ladies?

I daresay that most western tourists who visit BKK do not do so with an African girl in mind, especially 'Muricans, who can find them by the dozens at home.[/QUOTE]LOL discrimination?? You need to go back and read what you wrote. Discrimination has nothing to do what we are talking about. You implied that it's mostly Arabs and African men with African women and I call it BS. I see mostly African men with Thai women. Who is keeping data about who is with who? Mindless rhetoric.

Link to #3?

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2764562]About six weeks ago I was in BKK and had arranged to meet 4 ladies from Seeking Arrangement. I know these are not the typical ladies from bars, although at least 2 of three spent time in Level, Sugar, Oskar, etc. None wanted to discuss pricing online, but where happy to meet. I made it quite clear that while I understood how financial discussions are best done in person, I would not be paying for the pleasure of their company of dinner, if the evening didn't continue past dinner. I also required a video call before we met to verify photos. One of the four disqualified herself on the video call, when she didn't even put on lipstick and all I can say is thank goodness for make up.

Two of the three remaining were all they seemed to be, elegant, well dressed, good personalities and very attractive. All mid-30's which is my personal sweet spot. When the dinner was reaching the time for the check and a decision, we discussed compensation. One said that she was accustomed to receiving 20,000 baht per encounter, but was open to less if I was willing to prepay for a couple of weeks in advance. This lady was spectacular in most ways, even if she was a professional companion. I politely declined which she seemed very surprised. The next day she sent a message and asked me if she had done something wrong to offended me. I told I enjoyed our time together and was sure she was a spectacular companion, but that I would not be interested in almost any lady at that price range. The experience for me was not worth that much money, and that I could have similar experience for a week at that price. I told her she should ask as much as she wanted and I did not blame her, but I wasn't interested at that pricing level and did not want to insult her with a counter that would have been much less than half of what she asked.

The second of three wanted 10 K for the whole night, and she was also a very desirable lady, but I countered with 6 and she said 9 for short time. At that point I lost interest and paid the dinner tab and got her a cab. She messaged a couple of days after and said that she knew that 10 K was not an issue for me and didn't understand why I was such a hard ass. I said the 10 K didn't include the evening's cost's which I was happy to accept, but the other options available in BKK provided similar opportunity for me at a much lower cost. She asked why I didn't pay her something for her time at dinner, and I told her that if she had told me she wanted 10 K upfront she wouldn't have come to dinner and I explained my policy and she agreed before we met. The third lady told me she usually asked for 4 K, but "Liked" me and wanted to spend the evening together, so 3 would be fine. It turned to be a very fun time together, dinner, rooftop drinks, and very pleasant session in my room, followed by a BJ the next morning and breakfast. She was gone by 10:00 am. I did see her one other time during my stay and it was as good the second time. She was as close to a FL as I have had recently and while not as sophisticated, certainly was presentable.

This was a labor intensive process that took about 6 weeks total to arrange, but that was on me and to be honest was too long in advance. I think about 3 weeks out is a good time to start the search. I did have a few nice ones asking in the 7-10 K range as well. I also met 3 nice ladies at Oskar / Level that wanted 3 K and were worth it IMHO. All of them have other jobs and supplement their income in this fashion.

I don't blame the ladies for pushing up their prices, and good for them if they get it. I think many guys are embarrassed to say "no", I am respectful with them in every way. I will never say I would never pay a lady 20 K for a night, because being honest it is possible I could meet someone that would just totally knock my socks off and be "worth the investment", but I have not met her yet.

I will say the internet / Instagram "GPS" gals have certainly raised expectations, if not reality for many ladies. I suspect their friends all tell them they are getting huge sums, when the reality is much different.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewPhanjon;2760400]Had a very interesting experience with a Thai gal recently that I thought I'd post and wonder if anyone knows her or had similar experiences. Would be keen to share notes and get some recommendations of similar gals out there.

Was staying at Novotel near muang thong and found a small massage spa. Few OK looking gals but the manager was really cute. Unfortunately she didn't provide massages but was friendly and I chatted with her for a bit and I practiced my bad and corny Thai that made her laugh.

I asked for a recommendation for a nice restaurant and bar and she suggested one she liked. So I her if she would like to get drinks and she kind of hesitated and said she had to stay late for work the spa but I kind of said I'd be at the there and to come later.

She then surprised me by saying but could she bring her friend. I said fine.

You was surprise then she called her friend right away and said she could come in 30 minutes and 3 of them showed up. At first I was a bit disappointed but I think she just felt awkward coming alone and after her while her two friends were busy stuffing their faces and drinking all the booze I ordered. She sat next to me and chatted and had a few drinks. I ordered some nice wine which impressed her and warm ended her up and she kind of told me she was married to this Indian guy who lived in Singapore but he only came to Thailand once a month and I got the sense she was quite lonely. I wasn't pushy and let her get comfortable and after a while she was pretty drunk and we were holding hands.

I got the sense not to push it and go slow (I sensed she was worried about her friends seeing her play around). By 11 pm she was really flirty and cosying up to me and her friends were not paying attention and I tried to kiss her but she laughed and turned her cheek but didn't seem offended. Later her friends said they had to go and she didn't want to but the made her leave. She told them to go to the car and she would join them in a minute.

After they left she gave me her number and a hug and I chanced it and kissed her again and she kissed me back and we kissed for a nice minute or so and got my tongue in her mouth and she responded but the her friend came back and she left. I messaged her immediately and she messaged back from the car and I asked if I could see her and she asked where I was staying and said she would come by for a drink. Waited in the lobby for her and she came by an hour later just when I was giving up hope. Long story short I ended up fucking her all night long (in between calls from her hubby).

Can share details and her contact if anyone keen but frankly was not the typical Bangkok experience and lot of work but really something much better than I expected.

Would love to know if anyone has had similar experiences. I think there's quite a few girls in bkk in similar situations and would love to explore that.[/QUOTE]Yes, plenty. In fact, 99% of my experiences when I lived in Thailand was like that.

What you did was charming a regular girl who was probably a bit lonely and wanted to get laid.

Unless you're so ugly and devoid of charm that the only way you can possibly get laid is by "giving gifts", Thailand, like the rest of the world, is full of normal girls who just want have some fun now and then,
with absolutely no need or expectations that you will give them any money.

[QUOTE=Confiable;2764727]LOL discrimination?? You need to go back and read what you wrote. Discrimination has nothing to do what we are talking about. You implied that it's mostly Arabs and African men with African women and I call it BS. I see mostly African men with Thai women. Who is keeping data about who is with who? Mindless rhetoric.[/QUOTE]Of course there are Thai women who go with African men. They wouldn't be the type of ladies that I for one would chose, there are certain levels.

But hey, why argue, you there now? We can go down to Nana with some clickers and do some counting.

Personally, half the fun in the Nana are is just watching the scene, like house fires, circuses and freak shows. Theres some great Thai food (or was) hidden around down there too.

Never seen any black guys in Thermae, have you (not counting Americans)?

Doesn't sound like a soft escort experience at all. Sounds more like you got lucky.

Well for my two cents worth, I met a lady on thai friendly who isn't a young one at all, mid 40's.

She hates that her husband screws around so she's started doing the same thing. Lonely heart, comes over for no strings attached sex and companionship. Has made it clear can't do overnight but doesn't expect anything in return. Lovely slim fit lady. I feel like I got lucky too. Probably older than your lady but motivations might be the same.

[QUOTE=NewPhanjon;2760400]Had a very interesting experience with a Thai gal recently that I thought I'd post and wonder if anyone knows her or had similar experiences. Would be keen to share notes and get some recommendations of similar gals out there.

Was staying at Novotel near muang thong and found a small massage spa. Few OK looking gals but the manager was really cute. Unfortunately she didn't provide massages but was friendly and I chatted with her for a bit and I practiced my bad and corny Thai that made her laugh.

I asked for a recommendation for a nice restaurant and bar and she suggested one she liked. So I her if she would like to get drinks and she kind of hesitated and said she had to stay late for work the spa but I kind of said I'd be at the there and to come later.

She then surprised me by saying but could she bring her friend. I said fine.

You was surprise then she called her friend right away and said she could come in 30 minutes and 3 of them showed up. At first I was a bit disappointed but I think she just felt awkward coming alone and after her while her two friends were busy stuffing their faces and drinking all the booze I ordered. She sat next to me and chatted and had a few drinks. I ordered some nice wine which impressed her and warm ended her up and she kind of told me she was married to this Indian guy who lived in Singapore but he only came to Thailand once a month and I got the sense she was quite lonely. I wasn't pushy and let her get comfortable and after a while she was pretty drunk and we were holding hands.

I got the sense not to push it and go slow (I sensed she was worried about her friends seeing her play around). By 11 pm she was really flirty and cosying up to me and her friends were not paying attention and I tried to kiss her but she laughed and turned her cheek but didn't seem offended. Later her friends said they had to go and she didn't want to but the made her leave. She told them to go to the car and she would join them in a minute.

After they left she gave me her number and a hug and I chanced it and kissed her again and she kissed me back and we kissed for a nice minute or so and got my tongue in her mouth and she responded but the her friend came back and she left. I messaged her immediately and she messaged back from the car and I asked if I could see her and she asked where I was staying and said she would come by for a drink. Waited in the lobby for her and she came by an hour later just when I was giving up hope. Long story short I ended up fucking her all night long (in between calls from her hubby).

Can share details and her contact if anyone keen but frankly was not the typical Bangkok experience and lot of work but really something much better than I expected.

Would love to know if anyone has had similar experiences. I think there's quite a few girls in bkk in similar situations and would love to explore that.[/QUOTE]

Just spent week in BKK, getting blown nearly every day. Funny how some visits have a theme: this one was BBBJCIM for some reason.

One girl is a regular and another a soon-to-be regular, so I shall not share details, but I can speak to the infamous Seven Heaven pink salon near Phrom Phong. I have visited before, but not at their new location. The set-up is much the same: the customer is presented with an iPad of about 8 cure girls to choose, complete with photos and profile info. I chose Soda, a girl I previously missed out on due to her busy schedule. She's got smoking hot eyes in her profile pix but I can't definitely say the real Soda matched the profile pictures. No worries: she's pretty enough. Client pays upfront (1300, I think?) and we head up the stairs to the room which was as dismal as the previous place despite being newer. Sigh. After a 5 minute wait for her (exactly what is she doing with this time? My cock is washed at a sink station. Scrubbing is severe: two lathers of soap and one of alcohol. My pee hole is burning by the time she lies me on the bed and removes her shirt to expose her nice small, firm tits and gets on her knees. The blowjob is not rushed and starts with some shaft licking first, which is appreciated. I can hear the VERY HAPPY guy in the nearby room which is no problem for me, but might be for others. I eventually can hold out no longer and unload into her waiting mouth. She's so good at hiding her spitting that I didn't even see it. Then back to the sink for another scrubbing and mouth rinse (for my cock and her mouth, respectively). I tipped her 200 and headed to the waiting room to wait out the sudden, intense rain storm. After 15 minutes I wandered out into the wet streets, a changed man, or at least a pleased one.

Hey thanks for this report! I found myself in Patpong just last night and was great to follow the footsteps.

Also initially wasn't a fan of the area these days but now somehow I like the desolation inbetween bars, and also probably due to lack of customers things usually get more handson then elsewhere (I. E. In Black Pagoda, if you're really into it, a barfine can be paid of 900 and 2 k to the girl to get BJ service upstairs. A pass for me for the price but nice to know).

- Rose Bar I did not manage to find to be honest. Maybe you can point me in the right direction?

- Meet the World. Echoing the experience although mine was brief as it was a long day. Linda provided great BJ service, nice slow and sloppy just how I like it. The younger girls outside are part of the same bar or work somewhere else? I could not figure it out.

- Star of Light below. Not sure if I found the right place but the non-360 bars (so the ones that are more like shops) all seemed shut on a Thursday. Maybe it's just a weekend place? Either way, it'll be interesting to come back re-check.

If in mood to share a beer in PP let me know, on me. Especially if you got more tips on where to find expert BJs in the area.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2764380]
Kangaroo Club (Patpong 1) is unfortunately closed. There is no sign of it on the downstairs door, no outdoor sign, and no decal on the upstairs window. Like a lot of places in Patpong, it simply doesn't exist any more.

Rose Bar (Patpong 1) is open but apparently on its last legs. As you approach the entrance, a guard will appear to let you in, as before. He rings the bell and then you walk up a steep staircase to the bar. At the top, when I went, I was greeted by Mamasan who, as it turns out, was the only employee working there that day. There were no signs of any other employees, and Mama told me they left because they were "scared of Covid". Well, that had to have been 2+ years ago, so I've no idea what the deal is with their staff, but apparently they don't really have any, or at least they didn't that day. I ordered a beer and bought one for Mama with the intention of chatting for a few minutes before leaving. Halfway through my beer, Mama starts stroking me and whispering that she wants to blow me. I wasn't really into it, but it had been a long week and I figured it would be my last-ever BJ there. I let her go at it and she did a surprisingly decent job. Finished up, down the stairs to street level. I may return one final time to confirm that they really don't have any staff members (it's always good to check a place out twice, I find, just to triangulate) but if they don't, I won't stay. Can't recommend this place in its present format and my guess is it won't be around much longer: it's decline seems both terminal and irreversible.

Meet the World Bar (Patpong 2, up the ramp). This place has had so many names over the years it's hard to keep track of: COB's, Linda's Place, The World, and now "Meet the World" is stenciled on the door, so I'll go with that. Approached it from the ramp and noted that a few girls were outside eating. They waved me over and I went inside. There were 5 girls working and Mamasan behind the bar. This was more like it. I bought drinks for a few of the girls, which made them happy and then we proceeded to get to know one another. It's a very hands-on place (think Pandora's in Pattaya before the new owner took it over) which is my main criterion. I'd much rather spend an afternoon with an older but hands-on MILF than a 23-year-old hottie in a Pattaya G-club who doesn't let me hold her hand until after I've bought her 10 drinks.

Anyway, the girls' clothing started coming off and sometime during my second drink they began undressing me. They're really good about stripping everybody down there, so if you're the least bit shy it's not the place for you (Mama locks the door before all this occurs, of course). I won't bore you with the details (smirk) but suffice it to say that it can get pretty wild in there. You'll have a lot of female body parts shoved in your face, and you can have as many providers as you want service you. My advice is to buy a few of them drinks, get all of those ones naked, but then pick only one (or two if you like) for the BJ. That will help keep the overall cost down since this way you only pay the BJ fee for the one (s) who actually service you. The others get their money through the drinks and a small tip you provide at the end. Be polite, but firm and you'll be fine in this regard. You'll still have a lot of fun but the check won't be outrageous. If they sense you're a newbie, though, you'll get tourist treatment / prices.

Star of Light (Patpong 2). Beneath Meet the World Bar is the infamous Star of Light. Like a beacon in the night, its white sign beckons to all who approach. It's just a small place with a few couches, a small bar, and a tiny restroom (no shower). There's also a mattress at the back, if you prefer. There was only one provider the first time I went, but more on duty when I swung by again last week. Overall, it's a nice enough place and there's no pressure / girl pile-on like there is at Meet the World, where you find yourself surrounded by sexy women and then before you know it your wallet is empty! I found both providers to be decent in the looks and personalities departments and who provided good enough service.

TLDR: Patpong area is extremely quiet, but a few of its most infamous BJ bars, besides Kangaroo Club, which is closed, are still around; Rose Bar: open but recommend you take a pass; Meet the World: the most / best girls and a nice raunchy hands-on time but hang on to your wallet; Star of Light: a good laid-back fun time.

Enjoy it while you can, fellas. My view is that Patpong actually isn't quiet. It's dead. And it's difficult to see how the entire area can be economically viable when so many establishments have simply ceased to exist and the ones that do exist are without many customers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2765163]Hey thanks for this report! I found myself in Patpong just last night and was great to follow the footsteps.

Also initially wasn't a fan of the area these days but now somehow I like the desolation inbetween bars, and also probably due to lack of customers things usually get more handson then elsewhere (I. E. In Black Pagoda, if you're really into it, a barfine can be paid of 900 and 2 k to the girl to get BJ service upstairs. A pass for me for the price but nice to know).

- Rose Bar I did not manage to find to be honest. Maybe you can point me in the right direction?

- Meet the World. Echoing the experience although mine was brief as it was a long day. Linda provided great BJ service, nice slow and sloppy just how I like it. The younger girls outside are part of the same bar or work somewhere else? I could not figure it out.

- Star of Light below. Not sure if I found the right place but the non-360 bars (so the ones that are more like shops) all seemed shut on a Thursday. Maybe it's just a weekend place? Either way, it'll be interesting to come back re-check.

If in mood to share a beer in PP let me know, on me. Especially if you got more tips on where to find expert BJs in the area.[/QUOTE]Rose Bar: Patpong 1. If walking from Silom towards Surawong Road, it will be on the left hand side. It's a 2nd floor bar with only a door and stairway on the ground floor. Look for a sign (over the door) Rose (used to be there, I'll have to check later this week). The sign is parallel to Patpong 1 so it's not sticking out into the sidewalk. There MIGHT be a chair or stool on the sidewalk to the side of the door. That's where the [I]doorman[/I] sits who rings the bell to alert the bar that someone is coming up. It's hard to miss with the sign; 1/2 the time, I too miss it so the sign MIGHT be gone, only in my memory. This is an [B]ANCIENT[/B] photo.

Meet the World: MY experience, any of the ladies sitting outside the bar work there, at least in the afternoons. Usually 4, my experience, but I don't remember a Linda from my visits (though they could have given me their Thai names, or she comes later). Again, MY experience, EVERY lady sitting outside has followed me inside, but that just might be my [I]magnetic[/I] presence. As I've posted, beer should be 100, BJ 800, lady drink 150.

SOL: On Patpong 2. If you exit Foodland, turn right, walking away from Silom. At the FIRST access to the covered passage on your right, look; SOL is there (there's a beer bar on the right of the access with a stairway going up to the 2nd level on your left). Just a door (ground floor bar), with some horizontal windows (blocked out) to the left of the door higher up on the wall. It's just where the roof of the covered passage inside of Patpong 2 starts. Both times I've been by in the afternoon, there's been a couple of sheets of plywood over the door. Another old photo attached.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2765176]Rose Bar: Patpong 1. If walking from Silom towards Surawong Road, it will be on the left hand side. It's a 2nd floor bar with only a door and stairway on the ground floor. Look for a sign (over the door) Rose (used to be there, I'll have to check later this week). The sign is parallel to Patpong 1 so it's not sticking out into the sidewalk. There MIGHT be a chair or stool on the sidewalk to the side of the door. That's where the [I]doorman[/I] sits who rings the bell to alert the bar that someone is coming up. It's hard to miss with the sign; 1/2 the time, I too miss it so the sign MIGHT be gone, only in my memory. This is an [B]ANCIENT[/B] photo.

Meet the World: MY experience, any of the ladies sitting outside the bar work there, at least in the afternoons. Usually 4, my experience, but I don't remember a Linda from my visits (though they could have given me their Thai names, or she comes later). Again, MY experience, EVERY lady sitting outside has followed me inside, but that just might be my [I]magnetic[/I] presence. As I've posted, beer should be 100, BJ 800, lady drink 150.

SOL: On Patpong 2. If you exit Foodland, turn right, walking away from Silom. At the FIRST access to the covered passage on your right, look; SOL is there (there's a beer bar on the right of the access with a stairway going up to the 2nd level on your left). Just a door (ground floor bar), with some horizontal windows (blocked out) to the left of the door higher up on the wall. It's just where the roof of the covered passage inside of Patpong 2 starts. Both times I've been by in the afternoon, there's been a couple of sheets of plywood over the door. Another old photo attached.[/QUOTE]An easy way to find Rose Bar is to walk along Patpong 2, away from Silom, until you get to the first "cutover" cross-soi to Patpong 1. Take a left and walk straight. When you reach Patpong 1, cross to the far side and turn right (so, you're on the left side of Patpong 1, walking away from Silom). Walk a few meters down and you will see a large red cooler / fridge outside. Just past that is a red door with a Rose Bar decal on it. There's a bell you can ring or a guy sitting on the curb outside will run over and ring it for you. Then you can head up the (very steep) staircase.

For Meet the World, best way to find it is to walk up Patpong 2 towards Silom. At the first staircase to the upper level, on your left, walk up the stairs and then take a right. Walk a few feet and Meet the World Bar will be on your left. If they're not busy, there are usually girls on the right hanging out on the veranda. Generally, all those ladies hanging around outside the bar work in the bar. Particularly in the afternoons, there really are no other bars open on that level. Usually, they all follow you in.

If the bar appears closed / locked, fear not. It just means there's a fellow monger being serviced inside. You may either ring the bell or choose to come back later.

If you decide to return later, a good place to go and grab a drink while you wait is Shenanigans. Walk down the stairs and turn right onto Patpong 2 (away from Silom). When you arrive at Thanon Surawong (main road), take a left and Shenanigan's Irish Pub will be on your left (between Patpong 2 and Patpong 1). Generally nice staff / people / atmosphere and you can just hang out inside or on the patio. It gets fairly busy in the late afternoons / early evenings with the post-office crowd. There's also a Starbuck's across the street.

For Star of Light, beneath Meet the World and closer to Silom on Patpong 2, I texted the owner to ask her what's up. Apparently, there is some renovation work going on ("fix shower and change bed and color". According to the owner, the work is happening after the bar closes at night, so she claims it's still open now. You may wish to try it at different times, though, or check back in a week or so when it will likely be complete.

Not too difficult to find anything in Patpong any longer because almost everything is closed on the main street. Here are 2 photos of how dead Patpong 1 was at 10:50 pm on October 23.. Standing at one of the only open bars, KC, looking both ways.

In preparation for my upcoming trip to Bangkok, I thought that I might also check out Fiwfans and Sideline to broaden my range of choices that would include the soapies, parlors, BJ bars and gogo bars. While Google did a stellar job of translating and I could interpret at least the gist of what was listed, there were some phrases and / or terminology that puzzled me.

When the profile states 'Don't want cash', does it mean that the lady would prefer bank transfers?

Does 'can play poses' mean multiple positions or can we take pictures?

I have NO idea what 'can remove the cleavage' means.

I will assume that 'broken face' would mean CIF and 'split mouth' would mean CIM rather than an invitation for abuse.

No idea what 'disintegration' means at all.

Any assistance in possible meanings would definitely be appreciated.

Been oogling number 141 Rainbow 5 recently. I for a fact knows she notices me checking her out as we do make eye contact.

Don't know if she is in Utter Digest or likes me undressing her with my eyes.

I'm conflicted.

Well thank you fellow gents 11 Bravo, BlueNose and Banana Boi!

That was not only quick but also very timely. On the same day (BKK time) that 11 Bravo clarified I managed to find all 3 easily, and then some.

So first of all. For proper, 80-ies or 90-ies style experience (my wild guess as unfortunately at the time I was not able to actually experience Thailand in its fullness), Patpong might just be the best of the Big 3.

Indeed, Rose bar is just where the photos say it will be but now it's a shoe shop next to it. But the sign, and the doorman are still there. Yes it's still a steep climb to a dark little cave, and I swear there's some feel of peckers getting serviced of long gone yesteryear. Mamasan is welcoming and smiling however old and offers to at least sit down for a drink, not even hiding anymore the fact that there are no girls. Having thanked the nice old lady but wanting to go elsewhere, indeed an offer of a good, discounted BJ comes out. But meh. Though if there was at least one or two more girls in there I would totally go for it. And then some.

Come down and there's the ever-ready pussy seller ready to tell you "you no like no problem, I take you to another place". Generally I refuse but it was a long day and besides it's just a short walk so fuck it, lets see. So gents, right next to Thigh bar (the one which unexplainably tries to charge 300 B entrance fee. Like WTF, in Patpong at this time when there's no one around? Be serious, owner), just to the right there is a small door leading up to an almost hidden massage parlor with all the extras. 90 minutes, 4 not superawesome ladies on offer but at 1500 who can argue. Saying no again (hey. I do when I get the feels, nothing to do with looks or prices), offer quickly comes down to 1200 with lack of belief at me still exiting. Such is life.

The street tout is waiting again (like the smug seller that probably knows all the stages) and hands me off to another lady seller just down the street, who then takes me again to World's bar.

Being now familiar with it, picked up Apple right out front, and in we go. And yeah. Looking young might not be the best idea as approach to arranging a BJ right after door closes is pretty hard but polite bargaining brings price of my drink to 100, girls drink to 100 and BJ to 1 k. I know it might be 800 but what the hell. Mamasan says. Want on the bed? Nah mamasan I'm good here. And Apple is out of her panties and bra that I almost have no time to even start on my beer before my dick is nice and warm in her mouth. She takes her time and doesn't rush it and just as I finish the beer in the middle of the bar, staring at the blinking Christmas lights and listening to jittery rock music, I warn Apple about the incoming eruption and she of course gulps it down like a champion, with mamasan on the side doing her paperwork. And afterwards we all have a joke about how I'm a good customer no? Come in, grab a beer, grab blowjob, all happy and off I go.

Descending just downstairs with a spring in my step, indeed I find the Star of the Light open this time! Only the mamasan is outside and "girls are coming in 10 minutes, why don't you have one beer". Thanks mamasan, maybe next time.

I'm starting to like Patpong best. Want boys they are right there, (and I understand a lot of these might not be really gay so could be fun to bring my solo female friends here), want girls they are right there, want some S&M well there's a club for you, and even if you just want to drink there's 2 actual irish pubs in Patpong itself (okay okay. Cowboy has some offerings now like this too, but way too touristy for my taste lately).

Ah and then there was the oddball freelance lady (who seemed to just be a guy's girlfriend) in Badabing from about 2 weeks ago who was with what was probably a Chinese customer, who was more than happy that his "girlfriend" was keen to dance on stage and show off teeny tiny panties. Yours truly enjoyed the show too but later walked off to have a beer elsewhere. Only to have the same lady walk in with a huge grin on her face at recognizing me.

"Hey where's your boyfriend?

"Oh he just customer, go home".

About 30 minutes later it was "Oh my God I fucking love you" from her as she was getting pounded shortly before yours truly filled her young little box with hot cum. Bareback. Some shenanigans with payments before and after but what can a walking ATM here do. Show a little, give a little, smile a lot and in style of Johnny Walker. Keep walking.

Hot Girl Alert.

Not Blackie and tall with bullet type nippals.

A solid 7 point 5 maybe 8. Barmaid said she been there a week, no way in San Jose, I would have noticed.

Avg size, original tittie's. A General would be proud to have this girl as his own.

Number 505.

An Asian said let's go long time. I heard her say No Way Jose hot girls like me only do Short Time. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765690]Been oogling number 141 Rainbow 5 recently. I for a fact knows she notices me checking her out as we do make eye contact.

Don't know if she is in Utter Digest or likes me undressing her with my eyes.

I'm conflicted.[/QUOTE]What's the conflict? Seems you've been "on-deck" for a long time. Maybe it's time to step up to the plate and take a couple of swings. Maybe you strike out, maybe you hit a home run. But until you step into the batter's box, you'll never know. Hahaha.

Just watched a video on YouTube and it showed the temp at night being 89 degrees F. Man that's hot but is it easier that no sun is beating down on you? I'm a night person so maybe that will help but for you guys from anywhere but the south and southwest states how does the high heat and guessing high humidity affect you?

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2765893]What's the conflict? Seems you've been "on-deck" for a long time. Maybe it's time to step up to the plate and take a couple of swings. Maybe you strike out, maybe you hit a home run. But until you step into the batter's box, you'll never know. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]So on my last trip I tipped Mook very generously. She was Happy as a Clam. No barfine.

A month goes by on my current trip I showed my appreciation one time in 10 days,. She doesn't look so Clam Happy anymore.

In my defense on a couple occasion s I would have flowed money her way but she does get a lot of customers.

[QUOTE=Gajith;2763800]I read some of the posts and visited there today. It is 30 minutes Max and normal people can cum only 1 time for 800 baht. There is another package for 1500, the duration is 1 hours and can make you cum 2 times with BJ or FS.

My dick is a lazy dude, he normally doesn't want to cum for normal BJs and the lady I chose tried really hard about 20-25 minutes to make me cum. She opened her bras and allowed me to squeeze her ass and rub her pussy and finally I released the load into her mouth. After spitting that off she talked happily and was smiling. I felt pity about her and tipped her 100 for the efforts. The place is clean and I will go back again.[/QUOTE]Yikes. Popped by Wood Bar this evening. About 7 or so gals outside. To say they were unattractive would be like saying a blue whale is a large animal. Could be one of the ugliest collections of women I have ever seen in BKK. Makes the current Tulip staff look like Miss Universe contestants. Wouldn't let any of them near my unit.

Also did a walk of 24 and 24/1 where there was the odd 6 or 7 in the looks department. Guess I'm spoiled by what I find online and of course what I'm paying for the online gals. Oh well.

[B]Pre-OP[/B]

Monday, dentist finished. Messaged my Sakura Akasuri masseuse but she was unavailble, so booked Friday, and passed due to Tuesday's appointment. Tuesday it was Tulip. Wednesday, I was mentally incapacitated (I. E. I had gotten my brains f*cked out.) Thursday it was Paradise 4 hand massage. Friday, Sakura Akasuri, which I probably should have passed on, but it's just too enjoyable. Saturday was my fav [I]watering hole[/I] and the GFE.

Sunday, major ops. Out to Chatachak on the MRT (DON'T get off at Chatachak [B]Park[/B], but it's the NEXT station, Kamphaeng Phet that puts you right on the edge of the market, in the most interesting section, 26). Looking for my favorite shop, of course, had lost the business card. But a grid search (the market is a grid) resulted in success. Then on for another fav. Here, no luck, a LOT of back and forth. But luck WAS with me as I walked back to 26. Passing a shop, recognized the merchandise. And, with mask down, owner recognized me; he'd just moved from 8 to 10.

Final target, and an important one: the resupply base, Viva 26 bar. Great bar for refreshments, a cold drink (or 2), some great music, not the usual stuff, but some eclectic tunes. Sadly, KIA, didn't survive. A REAL loss as it's been a mandatory stop for at least a decade.

Fine, no resupply. Back to the MRT, from Chatachak to Si Lom.

Thanks [B]Blue Note[/B] (@#@%) for the can't miss directions to Rose. Easily found it. Yes the sign above the door is still there, the door was open, and I could feel the tractor beam rays trying to draw me in. And [B]Zenminded1[/B], you are SO correct about that feeling of peckers being serviced from the past as you walk up the long dark stairway to [S]...[/S] But only distant echos, and I was able to resist.

Given no Viva 26, over to Foodland's Took Lae Dee restaurant for some liquid refreshments. Chatachak has NOT changed, and it's HOT.

[B]Battle Report[/B]

From there, I am very familiar with the path to Meet the World. Only 2 ladies outside, but one was my target. I'd noticed that during my previous cluster suck, she was [I]lubed[/I] as I practiced my braille reading. A subsequent visit for oral confirmed the lube. So now the OP was: FS followed by another beer, then a BBBJ. Well, that was the plan. Both ladies followed me inside, one on each side, massaging, but I quickly selected my preference and the other graciously disappeared.

The first part worked out: FS in the curtained chamber (2 other ladies relaxing inside, dislodged, one simply moving to the bench across the aisle) was, for me, 1200 baht, CFS. The bed left a lot to be desired, lumpy and saggy don't do it justice (I thought one area might be an old milking table without the plug). I can confirm the lube (shame to waste a natural lube) was genuine. Great service. However, now came face to face with the harsh reality. I was out of ammo. I mean there was nothing left in the magazine. Don't get old. But I accept reality, had enjoyed myself, so perhaps the double shot fantasy will have to wait for another time. Total damage: 100 baht beer, 150 baht lady drink, 1200 baht service = 1450.

WIR: definitely, both oral and FS, just perhaps not on the same visit.

[B]Zenminded1[/B]

On previous visits, walking along Patpong 1, there was a middle-aged lady with a laminated massage card, saying she had a bar with a lot of ladies. Personally, I give touts a WIDE bearth. I DON'T think it's like the dangerous OLD days with upstairs rip-off bars, especially with the decline of Patpong (will always be grateful to my Nana bar fine [I]guide[/I] who pulled me right when a tout turned left instead of straight up the stairs on my FIRST visit). Still, I figure those touts are making money somehow [S]...[/S] YMMV.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2765900]Just watched a video on YouTube and it showed the temp at night being 89 degrees F. Man that's hot but is it easier that no sun is beating down on you? I'm a night person so maybe that will help but for you guys from anywhere but the south and southwest states how does the high heat and guessing high humidity affect you?[/QUOTE]It is KILLING me, and I'm Southwest. I understand heat, but the HUMIDITY. And NO breeze, just oppressive. Think inside one of the NARROW Chatachak aisles [S]... [/S]and that's NOT Chatachak but walking down any street. If I'm lucky enough to get a seat on the BTS or MRT, I CAN'T lean back. My shirt is drenched, and with the a/c inside, it's that damp clammy feel. Saturday, arrived SOAKED, rain, sweat, and that sweat where you wear a rain jacket but still get soaked from your own sweat due to the heat/humidity. Girl hung my shirt outside so it'd be dry when we finished.

But I will say yesterday and today, in the afternoon, a bit less humidity and a breeze. A world of difference. Talking today with a Thai civilian, he said things should start to improve. Certainly hope so. But still having thundershowers.

[QUOTE=Tim Timms;2765903]So on my last trip I tipped Mook very generously. She was Happy as a Clam. No barfine.

A month goes by on my current trip I showed my appreciation one time in 10 days,. She doesn't look so Clam Happy anymore.

In my defense on a couple occasion s I would have flowed money her way but she does get a lot of customers.[/QUOTE]Well hell, you certainly showed her. I bet her heart is broken (the old "broken heart, broken heart" refrain). It must really irk her that you're there gawking at other women while she's making money. hahaha

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2765900]Just watched a video on YouTube and it showed the temp at night being 89 degrees F. Man that's hot but is it easier that no sun is beating down on you? I'm a night person so maybe that will help but for you guys from anywhere but the south and southwest states how does the high heat and guessing high humidity affect you?[/QUOTE]I sweat alot and drink lots of water.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2765924]It is KILLING me, and I'm Southwest. I understand heat, but the HUMIDITY. And NO breeze, just oppressive. Think inside one of the NARROW Chatachak aisles [S]... [/S]and that's NOT Chatachak but walking down any street. If I'm lucky enough to get a seat on the BTS or MRT, I CAN'T lean back. My shirt is drenched, and with the a/c inside, it's that damp clammy feel. Saturday, arrived SOAKED, rain, sweat, and that sweat where you wear a rain jacket but still get soaked from your own sweat due to the heat/humidity. Girl hung my shirt outside so it'd be dry when we finished.

But I will say yesterday and today, in the afternoon, a bit less humidity and a breeze. A world of difference. Talking today with a Thai civilian, he said things should start to improve. Certainly hope so. But still having thundershowers.

Well hell, you certainly showed her. I bet her heart is broken (the old "broken heart, broken heart" refrain). It must really irk her that you're there gawking at other women while she's making money. hahaha[/QUOTE]Perfect way to describe the heat. I'm kinda scared now and not scared of much. Anything over 75 is hot for me anymore. BUT it looks so awesome that I may have to tough it out. Thanks 11 Bravo. Stay cool!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2765924]It is KILLING me, and I'm Southwest. I understand heat, but the HUMIDITY. And NO breeze, just oppressive. Think inside one of the NARROW Chatachak aisles [S]... [/S]and that's NOT Chatachak but walking down any street. If I'm lucky enough to get a seat on the BTS or MRT, I CAN'T lean back. My shirt is drenched, and with the a/c inside, it's that damp clammy feel. Saturday, arrived SOAKED, rain, sweat, and that sweat where you wear a rain jacket but still get soaked from your own sweat due to the heat/humidity. Girl hung my shirt outside so it'd be dry when we finished.

But I will say yesterday and today, in the afternoon, a bit less humidity and a breeze. A world of difference. Talking today with a Thai civilian, he said things should start to improve. Certainly hope so. But still having thundershowers.

Well hell, you certainly showed her. I bet her heart is broken (the old "broken heart, broken heart" refrain). It must really irk her that you're there gawking at other women while she's making money. hahaha[/QUOTE]Think I figured it out.

Recently a Star from Rainbow 4 moved over to Rainbow 5. This Star likes getting 5 Squids about once a month from me. I'm ok with it, liked it better when she was on stage pre COVID Topless. Haha,

Mook thinks WTF why am I giving her more? Am I all of a sudden Chopped Liver? Resulting cold shoulder treatment. Mook gets 2 squids per.

Difference being Mook gets compensated way more than once a month. I'm not ok with compensating the ex Rain 4 girl more than once a month.

Bargirl Dynamics.

P.S. The are. 4 girl makes huge money but she gets antsy when she Feels it's that time of the month.

So yes girls do think about nice gentlemanly gentlemen who appreciate them.

Definition of appreciatio- Show Me the Money. LOL.

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[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2765960]Perfect way to describe the heat. I'm kinda scared now and not scared of much. Anything over 75 is hot for me anymore. BUT it looks so awesome that I may have to tough it out. Thanks 11 Bravo. Stay cool![/QUOTE]Don't be worried, it seems to be getting better, and certainly nights are cooler.

The BTS and MRT are air conditioned and a great way to get around. I DEFINITELY recommend spending the 100 baht each for their travel cards, fill up, then top up as needed. I put 1000 baht on each. A month later, when I leave, my BTS will probably have 100 baht left, the MRT 700. No worries, I never try to get money back, just use the next trip. WORST case, the cards expire and you have to pay another 100 baht for a new one, BUT any unused balance from the old IS transferred to the new. DEFINITELY beats having to stand in line for the ticket machines or to get change at the office every time you travel. Just swipe in, travel, swipe out. Taxis are cheap, daytime, start at 35 baht (dead as dodos are the unmetered taxis, all metered for decades), and most have their air conditioning working. But taxis are subject to traffic congestion, while the BTS / MRT are not. I walk, but if tired take a taxi to the BTS station for onward travel.

As [B]Nyezhov[/B] says, stay hydrated. Water, they have Gatorade and Perrier here, and I find a nam-a-now soda (it's lime (they say lemon but it IS lime) squash with soda water) VERY refreshing. Not sweet, tangy.

Given I walk a lot in the daytime, so my fitbit says, I'm wondering if I can write this trip off as [I]medical expenses[/I] on my taxes. Just following my doctor's orders to get out and exercise. But I will say that NOT all the huffing and puffing comes from walking [S]...[/S]. You'll be fine, traffic stops for pedestrians in crosswalks, and there are places to sit along the way.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2765924]It is KILLING me, and I'm Southwest. I understand heat, but the HUMIDITY. And NO breeze, just oppressive. Think inside one of the NARROW Chatachak aisles [S]... [/S]and that's NOT Chatachak but walking down any street. If I'm lucky enough to get a seat on the BTS or MRT, I CAN'T lean back. My shirt is drenched, and with the a/c inside, it's that damp clammy feel. Saturday, arrived SOAKED, rain, sweat, and that sweat where you wear a rain jacket but still get soaked from your own sweat due to the heat/humidity. Girl hung my shirt outside so it'd be dry when we finished.
...[/QUOTE]Forget about classic T-shirts or shirts, they're much too hot. The pic shows what you should wear in Thailand. The flimsiest of cotton. You can buy them on the islands and in Pattaya, not sure about Bangkok.

Also, short trousers, NO SOCKS, bare-foot in cheap plastic open shoes or sandals you can buy anywhere.

The BTS is unfortunately much too cold to be healthy after the outdoor heat. Why is it kept so chilly? My hunch is because they want the smells given off by people not to be noticeable, an instance of Thai saving face.

[QUOTE=XXL;2766119]Forget about classic T-shirts or shirts, they're much too hot. The pic shows what you should wear in Thailand. The flimsiest of cotton. You can buy them on the islands and in Pattaya, not sure about Bangkok.

Also, short trousers, NO SOCKS, bare-foot in cheap plastic open shoes or sandals you can buy anywhere.

The BTS is unfortunately much too cold to be healthy after the outdoor heat. Why is it kept so chilly? My hunch is because they want the smells given off by people not to be noticeable, an instance of Thai saving face.[/QUOTE]A clothing tip for people who don't do well in the SE-Asian heat, give Merino Wool t-shirts a go.

Wool is a natural moisture wicking material, which means it absorbs your sweat and it dries very quickly once you reach a cold, dry environment like an air-conditioned place. The natural roughness of wool fibre also prevents bacteria, which is the cause of odours, from growing, keeping you smelling fresh after a day in the sun. They also have the added bonus of being wrikle-free, so the girls won't think you're a slob even if you can't be bothered to fold your clothes.

Part 2 of my Bangkok BJ Bar tour report.

I focused for the past two weeks on spending some time in the BJ bars around Nana.

Although I've not been inside the bars there recently, I walk down Soi 8 at least weekly and the two BJ bars that are adjacent to Soi 8 do have half-decent lineups, with Kasalong appearing to have better talent overall. If you've not visited, walk down Soi 8 away from Sukhumvit and take your second right (at the 7-Eleven). Lolita's is on the left and after you've squeezed through the walkway to the adjacent soi after Lolita's you'll find Kasalong, also on your left. If you don't see anyone you like, it's a good idea to go grab a beer on Soi 4 (just keep walking straight after Kasalong and you'll bump into Soi 4) and return 30 40 minutes later for another look. Mid-late afternoon is a good time to go, if you're in the area. I saw a decent looking one about a week ago at Kasalong as I was passing by. Alas, on my way back she was nowhere to be found.

Soi 7/1 has been hopping and, in my view, is a real hidden gem in the lower Sukhumvit area. Easy to miss if you're not familiar with it since the soi curves away from Sukhumvit, making it difficult to see very far down. If you do venture down it you'll find multiple beer bars, several beer bar / massage shop hybrid businesses, and Wood Bar, which is deeper (heh) in the soi on the right. I'd always avaoided this place, pre-Covid, as I thought it was mainly a place for tourists, although I didn't find that to be true when I visited. The name Wood Bar is really something of a misnomer as this place is very much not about drinking / sitting around / chatting. It's all business, and despite the decent lineup (in my view, it's the best lineup of the Nana-area BJ bars) it's a bit too transactional for me.

After you walk in, they'll line up the girls for you and you pick. Then, you pay and head right upstairs. There's no foreplay, no drinking, no groping, no warm up downstairs. And don't even think about hanging out in the bar. That's what I didn't like about it. Mamasan agreed to sell me a beer only after I assured her I would take a girl and I ended up drinking the beer in the room. I prefer a more laid-back vibe, like Soi 6 in Pattaya, where you can sit and drink with the girl for a while. The "squeeze test" is what I call it and it's a fun way to relax, get to know your provider, and get warmed up. So, if you're at all like me then do your warm-up lap at one of the beer bars on Soi 7/1 , and then go take care of business at Wood Bar. (I will likely follow my own advice in that regard for my next visit).

Out of the way a bit is Duangporn's Haven. To get there, take the BTS to Asoke Station (or just walk from Nana) and then head for Exit #4. At the bottom of the stairs, don't cross the intersection. Instead, take an immediate right onto Thanon Ratchadapisek (that's the big road that intersects with Sukhumvit Road at the Asoke interchange). Walk straight on Thanon Ratchadapisek and take your second right (at the cannabis dispensary). Duangporn's Haven will be straight ahead on your right about 50 m down the soi. It's off the beaten track a bit and you would never know that it was there unless you were looking for it. Ladies will be congregated outside and Duangporn uses a queue system, similar to a massage shop, so the girl who gets up to lead you in is number 1 in the queue. Now, you can pick your girl, of course, you don't have to go with the queue girl, but remember to do this before you go inside. If you go inside with the queue girl, buy her a drink, chat with her etc. But then don't take her then she will lose her spot in the queue. If you take another girl upon entry then number 1 in the queue retains her position for the next guy. It's a strange system, for sure, at a bar like this. I've used a queue girl before, when I didn't have a strong preference, but I think I will just stop and pick the one (s) I want during future visits.

Inside, there's a bar, some couches, and even a pool table. If you want to play, the girls are very accommodating. I usually start at the bar, migrate to a couch, and then go upstairs but you can just grab your girl and go directly upstairs, if that's your thing. They have the usual BJ rooms with a sink or you can get the full-service room, which is old but surprisingly nice with a decent bathroom, shower, and bed. Overall, I like this place for its laid-back vibe and friendly staff but I would note that the lineup is likely stronger at the other Nana-area BJ bars.

TLDR: Lolita's and Kasalong both conveniently located near Nana BTS just adjacent to Soi 8; YMMV with both, but for my money Kasalong has the better lineup at present; Wood Bar on Soi 7/1 has a decent lineup and nice facilities but it's highly transactional approach, with a view towards operational efficiency, may be a turnoff for some; Duangporn's Haven has a laid-back vibe with friendly staff, no pressure, and nice amenities, but be mindful of their queue systemjust pick the one you want or take a pass.

Got to finish up a few end-of-year initiatives in the office over the next few weeks. Then, I'll be heading to Pattaya after Christmas and expect to have some good field reports. See you on The Six!

Well I am at least a little bit disappointed. Outside the sex industry Thai girls are not really interested to meet and date foreigners.

The women here are so beautiful but they are really not interested. I think these days dating a foreigner is equal with dating a pervert in their eyes.

All the guys for all these years have ruined the playground.
It's also such a fake society, their kindness, there politeness.. it's one big show.

Will be doing Business in Soi 7. Hotel that is. Very economical rates.

Actually went to take a look at the girls outside Wood Bar. Not to partake as I don't go to those type of places. Just to see which posters are credible in girl assessment. Hahaha.

Goat seems to have Won the Prize. Not an attractive bunch at all. Has to be below 5 on the ratings scale by maybe 3.5.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2766096]Don't be worried, it seems to be getting better, and certainly nights are cooler.

The BTS and MRT are air conditioned and a great way to get around. I DEFINITELY recommend spending the 100 baht each for their travel cards, fill up, then top up as needed. I put 1000 baht on each. A month later, when I leave, my BTS will probably have 100 baht left, the MRT 700. No worries, I never try to get money back, just use the next trip. WORST case, the cards expire and you have to pay another 100 baht for a new one, BUT any unused balance from the old IS transferred to the new. DEFINITELY beats having to stand in line for the ticket machines or to get change at the office every time you travel. Just swipe in, travel, swipe out. Taxis are cheap, daytime, start at 35 baht (dead as dodos are the unmetered taxis, all metered for decades), and most have their air conditioning working. But taxis are subject to traffic congestion, while the BTS / MRT are not. I walk, but if tired take a taxi to the BTS station for onward travel..[/QUOTE]I have to get there, been on my mind for way too long and your input helps a great deal. I have a feeling the night warmth adds to the ambiance of the scene. I'd walk a mile for a camel (toe).

[QUOTE=Golds;2766182]Well I am at least a little bit disappointed. Outside the sex industry Thai girls are not really interested to meet and date foreigners.

The women here are so beautiful but they are really not interested. I think these days dating a foreigner is equal with dating a pervert in their eyes.

All the guys for all these years have ruined the playground.
It's also such a fake society, their kindness, there politeness.. it's one big show.[/QUOTE]What an absolutely unbelievable outburst by you.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong.

So now, you triggered at least a response.

If that was your intention, so be it.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2766177]
TLDR: Lolita's and Kasalong both conveniently located near Nana BTS just adjacent to Soi 8; YMMV with both, but for my money Kasalong has the better lineup at present; Wood Bar on Soi 7/1 has a decent lineup and nice facilities but it's highly transactional approach, with a view towards operational efficiency, may be a turnoff for some; Duangporn's Haven has a laid-back vibe with friendly staff, no pressure, and nice amenities, but be mindful of their queue systemjust pick the one you want or take a pass.
[/QUOTE]2 EXCELLENT reports and I've taken the liberty to add them to the ROD's. No doubt a forlorn hope that people might read there first, but hope does spring eternal.

[QUOTE=Golds;2766182]Well I am at least a little bit disappointed. Outside the sex industry Thai girls are not really interested to meet and date foreigners.
The women here are so beautiful but they are really not interested. I think these days dating a foreigner is equal with dating a pervert in their eyes.
All the guys for all these years have ruined the playground.
It's also such a fake society, their kindness, there politeness.. it's one big show.[/QUOTE]Hey, his FIRST trip to Thailand, and watching too many Ytube videos, reading here, and visiting only the [I]adult entertainment[/I] scene, easy to think that any Thai female can't wait to jump into your arms, totally overcome by your [I]farangness[/I]. Actually, Thai culture is VERY conservative and proper, AND they are NOT stupid. That wai that you see, that takes YEARS of knowing how to do (my advice, don't as you won't know how. Who goes first, how high, how long, etc.). You might not see any Thai Smiles on the street these days, especially Bangkok, as everyone is wearing masks, but learn some words of Thai, be nice and polite, smile, and it comes back to you in spades. But it doesn't happen overnight.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766026]This Star likes getting 5 Squids about once a month from me. I'm ok with it, liked it better when she was on stage pre COVID Topless. Haha,
Mook thinks WTF why am I giving her more? Am I all of a sudden Chopped Liver? Resulting cold shoulder treatment. Mook gets 2 squids per.
[/QUOTE]Well, Timmie, you got me stumped for sure as I have no idea what 5 squids, 2 squids, are. Myself, tonight I had 7 or 8 squids, but I call them calamari, along with about 15 shrimp, all fried in batter, all spicy with those little red chilis, home cooked meal via some civilian Thai friends. They know I can eat spicy, so it was. Even a salad and they didn't have any trouble opening the container, but we can use sharp objects. So your squid comments went zoom over my head, and if you care to elaborate, feel free (and searching didn't turn up any clarifications, I did try). If not, I'll live.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2766215]I have a feeling the night warmth adds to the ambiance of the scene. [/QUOTE]It doesn't, but today I had to walk at 15:00 to pick up some ice cream to take for desert, and with a breeze, I wasn't drenched. The shop puts a few pieces of dry ice in each foil bag, so it remains frozen until you get back to your frig. What IS really jarring is the Christmas carols everywhere in the heat.

Poor boy! Imagine brown or black women not finding a white man attractive. Impossible!!

It must be the natives that are wrong. They should be grateful for all the white male has done for them.

[QUOTE=Golds;2766182]Well I am at least a little bit disappointed. Outside the sex industry Thai girls are not really interested to meet and date foreigners.

The women here are so beautiful but they are really not interested. I think these days dating a foreigner is equal with dating a pervert in their eyes.

All the guys for all these years have ruined the playground.
It's also such a fake society, their kindness, there politeness.. it's one big show.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2766270]2 EXCELLENT reports and I've taken the liberty to add them to the ROD's. No doubt a forlorn hope that people might read there first, but hope does spring eternal.

Hey, his FIRST trip to Thailand, and watching too many Ytube videos, reading here, and visiting only the [I]adult entertainment[/I] scene, easy to think that any Thai female can't wait to jump into your arms, totally overcome by your [I]farangness[/I]. Actually, Thai culture is VERY conservative and proper, AND they are NOT stupid. That wai that you see, that takes YEARS of knowing how to do (my advice, don't as you won't know how. Who goes first, how high, how long, etc.). You might not see any Thai Smiles on the street these days, especially Bangkok, as everyone is wearing masks, but learn some words of Thai, be nice and polite, smile, and it comes back to you in spades. But it doesn't happen overnight.

Well, Timmie, you got me stumped for sure as I have no idea what 5 squids, 2 squids, are. Myself, tonight I had 7 or 8 squids, but I call them calamari, along with about 15 shrimp, all fried in batter, all spicy with those little red chilis, home cooked meal via some civilian Thai friends. They know I can eat spicy, so it was. Even a salad and they didn't have any trouble opening the container, but we can use sharp objects. So your squid comments went zoom over my head, and if you care to elaborate, feel free (and searching didn't turn up any clarifications, I did try). If not, I'll live.

It doesn't, but today I had to walk at 15:00 to pick up some ice cream to take for desert, and with a breeze, I wasn't drenched. The shop puts a few pieces of dry ice in each foil bag, so it remains frozen until you get back to your frig. What IS really jarring is the Christmas carols everywhere in the heat.[/QUOTE]Yeah, heat and Christmas Carols don't seem to go together very well. But if that's what they grew up with, then snow and Christmas may seem strange to them. Buddhist monks and Christmas Carols, please tell me they don't sing them between meditations.

[QUOTE=TheNileRiva;2766168]A clothing tip for people who don't do well in the SE-Asian heat, give Merino Wool t-shirts a go.

Wool is a natural moisture wicking material, which means it absorbs your sweat and it dries very quickly once you reach a cold, dry environment like an air-conditioned place. The natural roughness of wool fibre also prevents bacteria, which is the cause of odours, from growing, keeping you smelling fresh after a day in the sun. They also have the added bonus of being wrikle-free, so the girls won't think you're a slob even if you can't be bothered to fold your clothes.[/QUOTE]Never would've thought of merino wool to wear in hot summer. What about sweat stains? More or less pronounced than cotton?

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2766270]2 excellent reports and I've taken the liberty to add them to the ROD's. No doubt a forlorn hope that people might read there first, but hope does spring eternal.

Hey, his FIRST trip to Thailand, and watching too many Ytube videos, reading here, and visiting only the [I]adult entertainment[/I] scene, easy to think that any Thai female can't wait to jump into your arms, totally overcome by your [I]farangness[/I]. Actually, Thai culture is VERY conservative and proper, AND they are NOT stupid. That wai that you see, that takes YEARS of knowing how to do (my advice, don't as you won't know how. Who goes first, how high, how long, etc.). You might not see any Thai Smiles on the street these days, especially Bangkok, as everyone is wearing masks, but learn some words of Thai, be nice and polite, smile, and it comes back to you in spades. But it doesn't happen overnight.

Well, Timmie, you got me stumped for sure as I have no idea what 5 squids, 2 squids, are. Myself, tonight I had 7 or 8 squids, but I call them calamari, along with about 15 shrimp, all fried in batter, all spicy with those little red chilis, home cooked meal via some civilian Thai friends. They know I can eat spicy, so it was. Even a salad and they didn't have any trouble opening the container, but we can use sharp objects. So your squid comments went zoom over my head, and if you care to elaborate, feel free (and searching didn't turn up any clarifications, I did try). If not, I'll live.

It doesn't, but today I had to walk at 15:00 to pick up some ice cream to take for desert, and with a breeze, I wasn't drenched. The shop puts a few pieces of dry ice in each foil bag, so it remains frozen until you get back to your frig. What IS really jarring is the Christmas carols everywhere in the heat.[/QUOTE]Thais aren't Stupid. LOL.

On old Thai Visa site I get the impression Thais aren't as a group Smart.

Example always given. You need to go University to work 7-11.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2766337]Poor boy! Imagine brown or black women not finding a white man attractive. Impossible!!

It must be the natives that are wrong. They should be grateful for all the white male has done for them.[/QUOTE]I wonder what the 'instructional videos were. Creampie Thai? Tuktuk patrol?

Most 'adult entertainment' advice were from this forum and I thank you all for that.

[QUOTE=Golds;2766182]Well I am at least a little bit disappointed. Outside the sex industry Thai girls are not really interested to meet and date foreigners.

The women here are so beautiful but they are really not interested. I think these days dating a foreigner is equal with dating a pervert in their eyes.

All the guys for all these years have ruined the playground.
It's also such a fake society, their kindness, there politeness.. it's one big show.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you, I spent about two months in Thailand, mostly in BKK and Pattaya and had the same experience, absolutely no luck with dating. The first time I went to Thailand was in 2017 and it was decent for dating as long as your standards were not crazy high. But this time around it seems as though the dating game is done in Thailand for the average farang. I still love Thailand for simple and convenient P4P, but for dating I am going to have to go elsewhere.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766212]Will be doing Business in Soi 7. Hotel that is. Very economical rates.

Actually went to take a look at the girls outside Wood Bar. Not to partake as I don't go to those type of places. Just to see which posters are credible in girl assessment. Hahaha.

Goat seems to have Won the Prize. Not an attractive bunch at all. Has to be below 5 on the ratings scale by maybe 3.5.[/QUOTE]Wood Bar doesn't have any attractive women, I went a bunch of times and it's all the same, older and average or below looking. Having said that, it's good value for 800 baht for a quick blow and go.

Visited some touristy places in the day. Was tired by the time I returned around 7 pm.

Got some rest and got an awesome foot massage. Must say these people have some talent in massaging.

Hit nana after that and bar fined a chick. Spent some quality time and did not pay upfront like yesterday (lesson learned).

Regular questions form chick and mamasan. Thanks to 11 Bravo. Had some standard answers.

Something I observed: Quality of girls in bars are good between 11 and 12:30 ish. Then it starts going down!

Visited Soi cowboy around 8 pm. Obviously less crowd and went to a karaoke bar (near to one of the entrance).

Couple of girls were staring and so started a conversation and got some drinks for them.

One of the hot ones (& the short one) started dancing and I was having a good time with her.

I wanted to take her to the hotel and asked her for the damage $. She said that she isn't one of those girls! I apologized and continued partying (& hopping bars).

Around 10:30 she decided to leave and I offered her with dinner plans in my room and surprisingly she agreed!

She wanted Indian food and got some 'Togo' and had food and started cuddling after that.

What followed was as an amazing amazing night!. DATY, BBBJ, in the balcony, CIM, multiple rounds.

She had her game on with foreplay!

Slept around 4:30 am. She woke me up at 7:30 and said she wants to leave. I politely offered her some money but she refused.

She typed in Google translator that she had a great night and she did not want to share the number as she has a boyfriend!

No $ Damage except for bills paid in bars which was less than 1500 THB.

Onto Pattaya! But this encounter will be memorable for sometime!

[QUOTE=Golds;2766182]Well I am at least a little bit disappointed. Outside the sex industry Thai girls are not really interested to meet and date foreigners.

The women here are so beautiful but they are really not interested. I think these days dating a foreigner is equal with dating a pervert in their eyes.

All the guys for all these years have ruined the playground.
It's also such a fake society, their kindness, there politeness.. it's one big show.[/QUOTE]Au contraire. If you are a young hansum man, they are very interested. Otherwise, your money is very interesting to them.

Some reports from my trip in BKK. Lost my phone so I could not post as I was there.

[B]Arrival[/B]

We arrived 20 min later. Exited at the and went to through immigration. There was a queue which eventually took 30 min to get through. I waited at the wrong belt for 10 min before I realised I what was wrong. *.

On my way to the right belt I switched clothing from long pants to Shorts and a tshirt. At the belt my bag was already there so it was a quick exit. This started a long process.

I went all the way down. Exchanged 50 for enough cash. Tried to find Klook for my rabbit card. Spend 15 doing this as the staff didn't know until I found one who did. It's on the 4th floor behind the Singapore desk.

Left the airport which was smooth. Made a switch and exited at Nana. It wasn't until later that day I realised how lucky I got picking this spot to stay at. *.

As you left the station girls from a nearby massage greater me. I could see lady boys so avoided the place. *.

Check-in as Adelphi Suites got the room and went to the money exchange on the corner. It's a Super Rich. Soi 8 also has a few bars and massage.

(these are voice written notes edited).

[B]Day 1 (BKK) - Tulip[/B]

After checking in I went straight to Tulip and just like written down on another site hard to spot. Hidden under the station. You only notice it when you were right in front of it. When I entered the place it looked like is was badly maintained and I only saw 40+ aged ladies. The mama san she walked with me to the desk. She said how long you want. I said that one and a half hours and it was one lady standing ready to go with me.

I wanted to pick a lady and then she rang the bell and about four ladies were ready standing. There were a few hiding behind a door. I saw one girl that caught my interest but it didn't want to pick her. So I said to Mama-san. Which one you recommend and she looked at me she didn't understand. Then I asked is Golf here she said 'No golf is on holiday'. I said Okay you have recommendation and she pointed at the girl that I initially wanted. We went upstairs and you could see the lady was nervous because she was afraid that I might be be too big and I noticed that the place didn't look that nice and when I got to the room I was thinking Okay. This isn't really my environment to do this but let's go with the flow so she got some stuff we shower together.

She washed me and she was joking around. She asked massage first or sex and I said no sex first so she gave me a blowjob she took like half of it in her mouth. No teeth felt then she wanted to. Sadly fake moans combined with some real ones. I said Yeah I want to finish in your mouth so then we switch and she was giving me a blowjob and just as I was coming. She pulled it on her breast and I said No in your mouth. She wasn't really trying to take it in her mouth so I didn't get to come in her mouth as I wanted.

We showered again and she gave me a massage. She wanted sex again and asked Don't you want to fuck my ass. I said I don't do anal and she smiled and said good because you big. She kissed my ass few times but she wasn't really rimming. Sex again but didn't come. She finished the massage.

We exchanged line information and she was happy because I was her fifth customer and I was nice according to her. I was rather passive. I wasn't constantly groping her. I just like seeing how things would go and she texted me a few more times so I would come back tomorrow she would eat my ass put.

Damage 2100 for 90 minutes.

[B]Day 1 - Freelancer #1[/B]

Went to the mall and grabbed some food. I could see Bangkok was really made for consumers. A lot of people on their phone and food everywhere. A lot of malls as well. *.

Grabbed some stuff from the grocery store at Central 21*.

I reached out to one of the freelancers from TF.

[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/mint1701[/URL]

She arrived at my hotel after a quick message. She a bit more chubby in her face than on the pictures. Got her some beer from 7/11.

She had a friend working at a bar across of my hotel that he was ladyboy and then she joked that she was a ladyboy too and I looked at her apparently she gets asked that alit. She didn't have the look I've see from LB thus far.

Started talking in the room here she told me she wanted to get buzzed before sex. Which made thing a bit awkward for me. Asked her if she enjoyed and you could see she was hesitant and said sometimes. *.

Went on for a bit before I said let's shower. She wanted to shower alone. Started stroking, we kissed but it wasn't DFK. Had sex she enjoyed it and got more relaxed. She gave me a tip only blowjob. Tried to go a bit dieper but immediately felt the teeth. Switched to full sex with condom. After a while I stopped she wanted me to come but I told her it wasn't important. She didn't know I just blew a load 2-3 hours before. And I also just wanted to check her off my list. Damage: 1500

I decided that I wanted to go to one of the clubs nearby so we started wrapping up and she went to the bar of her friend and I went to the club.

At the Sugar Club it was nice. Seems its two clubs in one.

After a while left and tipped one of the door guys. I do this in Amsterdam as well.

[QUOTE=Oneminuteboy;2766476]
I decided that I wanted to go to one of the clubs nearby so we started wrapping up and she went to the bar of her friend and I went to the club.

At the Sugar Club it was nice. Seems its two clubs in one.

After a while left and tipped one of the door guys. I do this in Amsterdam as well.[/QUOTE]How was Sugar Club? Were there a lot of freelancers?

Has anyone recently been to Mixx? How is it after Covid? Can one recommend or better go to Levels or Sugar Club?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2766377]I have to agree with you, I spent about two months in Thailand, mostly in BKK and Pattaya and had the same experience, absolutely no luck with dating. The first time I went to Thailand was in 2017 and it was decent for dating as long as your standards were not crazy high. But this time around it seems as though the dating game is done in Thailand for the average farang. I still love Thailand for simple and convenient P4P, but for dating I am going to have to go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply, I even invited one who was working in the Capella Bangkok where I stayed, for shopping in the Icon Siam without any obligation. I was talking to buy her Louboutins shoes, the real ones, no fakes, around 1000 USD. She kindly refused.

[QUOTE=XXL;2766119]Forget about classic T-shirts or shirts, they're much too hot. The pic shows what you should wear in Thailand. The flimsiest of cotton. You can buy them on the islands and in Pattaya, not sure about Bangkok.

Also, short trousers, NO SOCKS, bare-foot in cheap plastic open shoes or sandals you can buy anywhere.

The BTS is unfortunately much too cold to be healthy after the outdoor heat. Why is it kept so chilly? My hunch is because they want the smells given off by people not to be noticeable, an instance of Thai saving face.[/QUOTE]That's a bit too informal for me. Columbia Taimiami II long sleeves (keep the sun off you), convertible pants (I like Bean, REI and Marmot) and Keen closed toe sandals with socks. Perfect outfit for all over SE Asia and dressy enough to keep the BIBs away in the days before the Devils Lettuce was legal. Plus the girls like it better because in the hierarchy, shoes rate higher than exposed toes.

Can't even get into some places with shorts.

Depending on where you are, open shoes can be dangerous. Step on a piece of glass in a flood, or scrape those little piggies somewhere and the next thing you know you are festering. I've seen that more than once, quite yuck.

So what if sweat drips down the crack of your ass? You will shower first.

I normally stay at the Nana Hotel, but was wondering if the Hyatt Regency is girl friendly?

Anybody know.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Golds;2766588]Thanks for your reply, I even invited one who was working in the Capella Bangkok where I stayed, for shopping in the Icon Siam without any obligation. I was talking to buy her Louboutins shoes, the real ones, no fakes, around 1000 USD. She kindly refused.[/QUOTE]Normal people would think outrageous buys by strangers include strings attached.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2766377]I have to agree with you, I spent about two months in Thailand, mostly in BKK and Pattaya and had the same experience, absolutely no luck with dating. The first time I went to Thailand was in 2017 and it was decent for dating as long as your standards were not crazy high. But this time around it seems as though the dating game is done in Thailand for the average farang. I still love Thailand for simple and convenient P4P, but for dating I am going to have to go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Back in the late 90-s I "dated" a hotel receptionist for a week or so. She had a motorbike and went out of her way driving us far away from that Sukhumvit place I stayed at. When I invited her to a restaurant in the neighborhood, she said she can't be seen with a farang or people would think she's a hoar. And she was very proud that she wasn't and had a good job.

And OMG the way she rode in Bangkok! Put a fear of god in me every single time, LOL.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2766592]That's a bit too informal for me. Columbia Taimiami II long sleeves (keep the sun off you), convertible pants (I like Bean, REI and Marmot) and Keen closed toe sandals with socks. Perfect outfit for all over SE Asia and dressy enough to keep the BIBs away in the days before the Devils Lettuce was legal. Plus the girls like it better because in the hierarchy, shoes rate higher than exposed toes.

Can't even get into some places with shorts.

Depending on where you are, open shoes can be dangerous. Step on a piece of glass in a flood, or scrape those little piggies somewhere and the next thing you know you are festering. I've seen that more than once, quite yuck.

So what if sweat drips down the crack of your ass? You will shower first.[/QUOTE]My primary concern is sun protection, so no shorts for me except inside. My blinding white legs would be a traffic hazard to oncoming traffic. LL Bean Tropicwear shirts; the chest pockets deep enough to hold my mobile phone and velcro close the pocket securely. Fast dryiing, easy to wash, hang to dry wrinkle free. Railriders VersaTec Ultra Light pants, large cargo pockets; work in the heat AND in the "cool", very effective at stopping wind. Again, easy to wash, quick drying, hang to dry, wrinkle free. Have worn shirts and pants all over the world. Not really dress, at least the pants, but then again, I don't normally go to fancy dress establishments. Teva sandals, F1 and Hurricane.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766386]P.S. I don't hate Thais.

Vanuatu, Mongolia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Iraq, Uzbeks,. What do all have in common.

They have higher IQs. Than Somchai and Nit, Nat Nut, etc.[/QUOTE]I think independent WGs who can travel to a totally foreign country (completely different language, customs, etc.) to work must possess a certain level of intellect and courage. I have met some pretty smart Thais and Filipinas in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Europe. These women do not need to work in bars and brothels at home or abroad like Geylang in Singapore. My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2766377]I have to agree with you, I spent about two months in Thailand, mostly in BKK and Pattaya and had the same experience, absolutely no luck with dating. The first time I went to Thailand was in 2017 and it was decent for dating as long as your standards were not crazy high. But this time around it seems as though the dating game is done in Thailand for the average farang. I still love Thailand for simple and convenient P4P, but for dating I am going to have to go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golds;2766588]Thanks for your reply, I even invited one who was working in the Capella Bangkok where I stayed, for shopping in the Icon Siam without any obligation. I was talking to buy her Louboutins shoes, the real ones, no fakes, around 1000 USD. She kindly refused.[/QUOTE]Just so I'm clear, you're in the girl capital of the universe, can't find any dates, even $1000 incentive doesn't attract any action and it's the girls that are at fault?

Have you considered some introspection? Perhaps find out what is driving them away and work on changing that??

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2766445]
What followed was as an amazing amazing night!. DATY, BBBJ, in the balcony, CIM, multiple rounds.
She had her game on with foreplay!
Slept around 4:30 am. She woke me up at 7:30 and said she wants to leave. I politely offered her some money but she refused.
She typed in Google translator that she had a great night and she did not want to share the number as she has a boyfriend!
No $ Damage except for bills paid in bars which was less than 1500 THB.
Onto Pattaya! But this encounter will be memorable for sometime![/QUOTE]GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL.

It's memories like this that last a lifetime.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2766442]
Regular questions form chick and mamasan. Thanks to 11 Bravo. Had some standard answers.![/QUOTE]Once you've gotten the hang of it, try this: when asked how long you've been in Thailand, answer this is your FIRST time, you just arrived last night. Her eyes will spin around like a slot machine's wheels. See how long it takes for her to realize you're just joking with her. The key to having a good time is to keep it light and fun.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2766686]I think independent WGs who can travel to a totally foreign country (completely different language, customs, etc.) to work must possess a certain level of intellect and courage. I have met some pretty smart Thais and Filipinas in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Europe. These women do not need to work in bars and brothels at home or abroad like Geylang in Singapore. My 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Got that right. Imagine going to a country where you don't speak the native language, little English, and what you're doing is illegal; NO help from the police, taken advantage of by everyone. In DXB, I knew a superstar PRC, Cyclone (and anyone who recognizes the name immediately understands the significance). When she arrived, her English was (You want me? Yes, No, I love you, with a yellow posty note with her phone number on it). 6 years later, she could fully carry on a conversation in English, she made 120 K USD a year, had learned to drive (and in DXB, that's difficult, lot of lessons), and bought herself a car. Sporadic and I both agreed if she had been born in the US, she would have been the CEO of a mid-level company.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2766692]Just so I'm clear, you're in the girl capital of the universe, can't find any dates, even $1000 incentive doesn't attract any action and it's the girls that are at fault? Have you considered some introspection? Perhaps find out what is driving them away and work on changing that??[/QUOTE]LOL.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766372]Thais aren't Stupid. LOL. On old Thai Visa site I get the impression Thais aren't as a group Smart.[/QUOTE]Smart enough to separate you from your money, and, judging by your [I]FR's[/I], by simply making eye contact. Timmie, you're not riding the pine, you're up in the bleachers.

As I entered the eerily quiet Patpong, I saw a sign saying that the night market will restart on December 5. So whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing, the days of eerily quiet are apparently numbered.

Cherry. Sukhumvit Soi 24/1.

2 curvacious girls outside giving the come Hither look.

Avg weight 275 pounds. Hahaha.

Maybe Sisters?

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2766685]My primary concern is sun protection, so no shorts for me except inside. My blinding white legs would be a traffic hazard to oncoming traffic. LL Bean Tropicwear shirts; the chest pockets deep enough to hold my mobile phone and velcro close the pocket securely. Fast dryiing, easy to wash, hang to dry wrinkle free. Railriders VersaTec Ultra Light pants, large cargo pockets; work in the heat AND in the "cool", very effective at stopping wind. Again, easy to wash, quick drying, hang to dry, wrinkle free. Have worn shirts and pants all over the world. Not really dress, at least the pants, but then again, I don't normally go to fancy dress establishments. Teva sandals, F1 and Hurricane.[/QUOTE]That outfit would have got you in virtually everywhere and makes you stand out among the touristy wife beaters shirts and soccer jerseys and clothes best suited to a beach.

Because I have other things to do during the days and evenings beyond satisfying my quite easy to satisfy cucumber of lust, sometimes I find myself sitting in a girlie venue with shorts and hiking boots, backpack and walking sticks, just back from a trip, looking like a wore out mangy old explorer absolutely unique among a sea of fake designer bags and clothes and beachwear.

While that doesn't affect the predatory tourist loving girls, gets me lot of attention from the partimers, semi pros, students, tribal girl, especially when I can say, "oh, from (insert city here)? I was there last week."

I never live anywhere near the tourist action so my presence there is either on the way back from somewhere or on an occasional well dressed (dark pants) night.

Even in Thailand, clothes make the man. Try not to look like a tourist even if you are.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2766692]Just so I'm clear, you're in the girl capital of the universe, can't find any dates, even $1000 incentive doesn't attract any action and it's the girls that are at fault?

Have you considered some introspection? Perhaps find out what is driving them away and work on changing that??[/QUOTE]I don't know what your $1,000 incentive means as I'm talking about dating, not p4 p. As far as dating in Thailand, it's difficult to pull good looking girls for dating these days, I'd say most guys would attest to that. The mask wearing doesn't help as it creates a physical and social barrier to day game. If you need to give a girl a "$1,000" incentive then that is p4p, not dating.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2766893]I don't know what your $1,000 incentive means as I'm talking about dating, not p4 p. As far as dating in Thailand, it's difficult to pull good looking girls for dating these days, I'd say most guys would attest to that. The mask wearing doesn't help as it creates a physical and social barrier to day game. If you need to give a girl a "$1,000" incentive then that is p4p, not dating.[/QUOTE]I'd include that into my seconds paragraph: Golds' offer of $1000 "shoes" for a date or more to a Good Girl clearly didn't end well. Confusing a civilian for a hooker rarely does.

I'd agree that masks and the whole paranoia around meeting strangers certainly doesn't help.

Since this is the Bangkok page, it might be more biased. However, I wanted some opinions on how to split up this 20 day Thailand trip. Should I do 10 Bangkok and 10 in Pattaya? Any tips or experiences you'd want to share would be greatly appreciated. TIA.

-SF.

Just left BKK after almost a week. Mongered in Germany and Switzerland before, having spent much of my adult life there but first time in SE Asia.

Day 1- Arrived early evening. I knew I was going to be tired, so I had arranged for a girl from Massage republic earlier that day while still traving. She showed up on time. Same girl as the photos, but a few pounds heavier. Decent BBBJ and lay. 3000 baht damage.

Day two- Out and about. Go to Madame Claudes, which is an upscale BJ place. Choose girl from Ipad and pay 1300 baht. Girl took me to room and washed my dong. Between the mouth wash, and baby oil that she used to start a HJ, my dick was almost numb. Tried to force myself to cum, not sure if it was an almost cum, or just weak.

Messaged girl on Massage republic that supposedly could bring a girlfriend on request. They showed up on time. Similar deal to the last one. Same girl, just a bit heavier. The two girls provided decent service, but didn't so any Lesbian stuff. So a normal PSE three some with two random girls. Would not repeat. * Damage, 10 K.

Day three-.

I hit Soi Cowboy in the evening. Go to "Dollhouse". A few cuties. Have a couple drinks, then wander down to Nana. Go to Angelwitch. No girls catch my eye, and Mamason was a little pushy, as I nursed my drink. Left. Walked the gauntlet, down the main drag. Checked out a few beer bars on Soi7 and 7-1, but between no girls catching my eye, and agressive ladyboys grabbing my junk, I left without getting a drink.

Went to Thermae. Staff made me buy a drink as soon as I entered. Place was filled with cute girls, almost all of them looking like normal girls, not working girls. A cute girl with glasses and dyed hair caught my eye. Took her back for 3 K. Had to stop and get rubbers, as she didn't have one. Told me all her previous clients were Asian. * In the room, she was a little shy, and wouldn't budge from CBJ. She must have had a IUD or similar, as while banging, I bottomed out if I went too hard. Made my dick hurt after we were done. Wouldn't repeat.

Day four-.

Went to "Wood bar" about lunchtime. Paid 800 up front. Girl wasnt a looker, but "no chick is ugly when is she sucking your dick" . Facilities were a little cheap, even for Thailand. What followed was the worst blowjob of my life. Teeth, little suction, and fast dry hand action. With a little bit of instruction, managed to make it unpainful and forced myself to cum. * Leaving with a sore dick, I took the rest of the day off.

Day five.

After considering becoming a monk, headed to Soi Cowboy, and back to Dollhouse. Same basic lineup. A cutie that was taller, and had an innocent look to her caught my eye. After some eye contact, she came over and asked if I would by her a drink. She saw me as the sucker I was, and stayed with me,* asking for a lady drink every 30 minutes. In return, she sat and danced on my lap, teased my cock, and so forth. After a bit, she asked me to bar fine her, but said to wait until 11 as the bar fine dropped to 800 from 1600. Didn't matter, as she racked my bill with bar fine to 2400. Cost to bring her back was 4 K. Kmew that was over paying, but said fuck it. Said she was 24, and what followed was on the line between PSE / GFE with kissing and a little bit of shyness. . Head wasnt the greatest. After we were done, she was in a hurry to go back to the bar, but was a little disappointed that I didn't want to go back.

Day six-.

Last night in Bangkok, so I threw common sense out the window and went back to Dollhouse at about 830. The girl from the night before was already sitting with some young Asian dude,* and he appeared to bar fine her. She seemed to try to hide it from me, which I thought was a little funny. About an hour later, she came back and tried to play it off like she was up stairs. Same deal as before, she wanted lady drinks in return for sitting on my lap, riding my dick, etc. Wanted to get barfined at 11 again. No mention of her price. Back in the room, it was closer to GFE, where she expected to get eaten out. First time I have had a hooker expect it.

Anyways, she left after we were done. As I am going to be in Bangkok again in a couple weeks, she gave me her LINE ID.

Long story short, I was a little bit disappointed in Bangkok. But such is life.

[QUOTE=StreamFlyer;2767031]Since this is the Bangkok page, it might be more biased. However, I wanted some opinions on how to split up this 20 day Thailand trip. Should I do 10 Bangkok and 10 in Pattaya? Any tips or experiences you'd want to share would be greatly appreciated. TIA.

-SF.[/QUOTE]They are not that far apart. Do a couple of days in Bangkok and then head to Pattaya for a couple of days and see which one you like best. I spent to much time in China, so I personally hate overcrowded Asian cities. But that is just me. Some people prefer the bright lights and big city. The key is to relax and have fun. Too much planning spoils the fun.

OMG. . Rainbow 5 was basically Standing Room Only Last night Friday.

Saw a little Black girl. Cute -ish. No Silly Cones, decent small- ish tittie's.

Think she would be a Star on Pattaya Soi 6. Might struggle at Rainbow 5. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2766933]I'd include that into my seconds paragraph: Golds' offer of $1000 "shoes" for a date or more to a Good Girl clearly didn't end well. Confusing a civilian for a hooker rarely does.

I'd agree that masks and the whole paranoia around meeting strangers certainly doesn't help.

Just so I'm clear, you're in the girl capital of the universe, can't find any dates, even $1000 incentive doesn't attract any action and it's the girls that are at fault?

Have you considered some introspection? Perhaps find out what is driving them away and work on changing that??[/QUOTE]I'd have to agree with Goferring. Even if you're just looking for dating and no ppm, I can understand why it might take some time to get on track, but some introspection and modifications about one's approach should easily do the trick. Or maybe BKK just isn't the right fit for some dudes.

[QUOTE=HPvs17;2767071]Just left BKK after almost a week. Mongered in Germany and Switzerland before, having spent much of my adult life there but first time in SE Asia.

Messaged girl on Massage republic that supposedly could bring a girlfriend on request. They showed up on time. Similar deal to the last one. Same girl, just a bit heavier. The two girls provided decent service, but didn't so any Lesbian stuff. So a normal PSE three some with two random girls. Would not repeat. * Damage, 10 K.[/QUOTE]10 K for that! Was your calculator malfunctioning when you ordered?

[QUOTE=HPvs17;2767071]After considering becoming a monk, headed to Soi Cowboy, and back to Dollhouse. Same basic lineup. A cutie that was taller, and had an innocent look to her caught my eye. After some eye contact, she came over and asked if I would by her a drink. She saw me as the sucker I was, and stayed with me,* asking for a lady drink every 30 minutes. In return, she sat and danced on my lap, teased my cock, and so forth. After a bit, she asked me to bar fine her, but said to wait until 11 as the bar fine dropped to 800 from 1600. Didn't matter, as she racked my bill with bar fine to 2400. Cost to bring her back was 4 K. Kmew that was over paying, but said fuck it. Said she was 24, and what followed was on the line between PSE / GFE with kissing and a little bit of shyness. . Head wasnt the greatest. After we were done, she was in a hurry to go back to the bar, but was a little disappointed that I didn't want to go back..[/QUOTE]Let me get this straight: You dropped 6400 (drinks + BF) for a ST and not an overnight? And then you went back?? And you expect her to risk losing another customer just to be polite and run over to you?

Look, not to be too hard on you, but I'd suggest that you learn and adapt. You must have built some unrealistic expectations based on reports you read before your first trip. Most guys write glowing reports once they've earned the good experiences, but the bad experiences are there too.

You're bound to be disappointed in BKK after this week, and I think BKK may, in turn, be disappointed in you. There's no point sitting around a go go club with the same girl sitting on your lap for 2-3 hours. You need to ask what the BF / minimum drink policy is as you enter so that you can politely move on to another establishment if you don't accept the terms (no worries, I also learned the hard way). And I suggest you make your decision during the first drink and go forward with the BF or leave.

And you'd also need to learn some lessons about the outcalls and adjust to make it better bang for the baht. Did you do your research before your trip?

Seriously, the prices / conditions are getting tougher and tougher for the lot of us because guys (like you, yes) are not learning how to work / negotiate / walk away. Now I'm going to go there in 2 weeks and Dollhouse and your GF there are going to have their newly inflated expectations reinforced. Thanks a lot! But don't blame Bangkok.

[QUOTE=HPvs17;2767071]Just left BKK after almost a week. Mongered in Germany and Switzerland before, having spent much of my adult life there but first time in SE Asia.
[s]...[/s]
Long story short, I was a little bit disappointed in Bangkok. But such is life.[/QUOTE]Well done, 3 posts, 2 questions and 1 solid FR. Just learn from your mistakes, 1st time, everybody makes them. You might want to check out some of the ROD's (reports of distinction thread) to check out other [I]avenues[/I] (or is that sois), of [I]entertainment[/I], and for some lessons learned. Sounds like you were doing the math, but a lady drink every 30 minutes adds up for YOU, superseding the potential cost savings of a late hour bar fine, just to keep her anchored to you until you're ready to leave. Why? Agree with [B]Volterra[/B], she comes over, talks, she should be auditioning for YOU. See how her attitude is to you, but simply liking you for the drinks, you're a mark. Save the fiddly bits for your room where you can get [B]serious[/B]. [B]AND[/B] she's blocking your landing slot for other circling [I]aircraft[/I]; no one else is going to cut in. Just make a note of her [I]tail[/I] number, check out some others, and when YOU're ready to leave, call the top one over, make an offer. If a no, "next"[S]...[/S].

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2766827]That outfit would have got you in virtually everywhere and makes you stand out among the touristy wife beaters shirts and soccer jerseys and clothes best suited to a beach.

Because I have other things to do during the days and evenings beyond satisfying my quite easy to satisfy cucumber of lust, sometimes I find myself sitting in a girlie venue with shorts and hiking boots, backpack and walking sticks, just back from a trip, looking like a wore out mangy old explorer absolutely unique among a sea of fake designer bags and clothes and beachwear.

While that doesn't affect the predatory tourist loving girls, gets me lot of attention from the partimers, semi pros, students, tribal girl, especially when I can say, "oh, from (insert city here)? I was there last week."

I never live anywhere near the tourist action so my presence there is either on the way back from somewhere or on an occasional well dressed (dark pants) night.

Even in Thailand, clothes make the man. Try not to look like a tourist even if you are.[/QUOTE]A tip of my hat (Columbia) to you. This trip, my Teva boots have remained on the balcony. But certainly a lot more to see in Thailand than Bangkok's Nana, Cowboy, Sukhumvit sois 22,23, 24,26, 31, and Pattaya. You just have to get out and about for a much different perspective. I have to admit, for a long time, I thought walking sticks were a gimmick, an affectation. Then 7 years ago, when the Chinese mountains seemed to grow higher and steeper, I got myself one. I could instantly see the wisdom. Now have 2, an active and a backup. Don't leave home without it.

Safe Journey.

My take on an Agogo girl who sits with a guy for 3 hours getting a drink every half hour.

If there are 25 girls on the clock. She must be off the charts unattractive. Hahaha. Yards behind number 24 in looks. Nothing else makes Sense.

These girls want Barfines not a drink every 30 minutes.

So, after a long time coming, I finally landed in Bangkok. As informed, it was hot and humid but I wasn't bothered. I just wanted to carry out my plan of action and start my vacation of gluttony and debauchery. But as the saying goes, "The best laid plans of mice and men. ".

The hotel that I've booked in was a little disappointing. Only a little. The room itself is ok but the hotel itself felt a bit rundown but hey, the bed was super comfy!

I seriously don't know how you guys do it. Straight off the tarmac and off to get the rocks off! By the time I got to my room, I was completely worn out! That's just probably me getting old though! So all I did on my first day in Bangkok was get some food, change some cash and sleep.

Day 2.

I'm not sure when or how it happened but my desire for 2 weeks of sex and debauchery somehow faded into the ether. Or at least the urgency for it. I'm smack in the middle of a city where sex is so readily available, I didn't feel the need to rush. So. I rejigged my plans. I headed off the get the pharmaceutical aids that would assist my staying power at Southeast Pharmacy then off to MBK. Part of the plan was to get a suit made. Ended up getting 2. (curse me for lacking willpower! After some food and rest, I changed more money and off I went! My first punt of my trip!!

I went off to Daisy Dream. Took me a while to locate the establishment but found it in the end thanks to Google Maps. I was ushered in and introduced to the mamasan. Chose the package and she called for a line up. The ladies, about 20 of them, were ok I guess. There were some pretty ones and there were 3 really hot ones. Of course, I made the mistake of picking just a pretty one only because of assumed chemistry on my part but.

So, the package I picked was a one hour Nuru session. Never had one so I thought I'd give it a go. All I can say is the experience was. Average at best. Apparently, the lady that I picked was relatively new to the place and quite inexperienced. The massage itself, while pleasant, felt rushed. It was adequate, I guess, as I did get my rocks off but that nagging feeling at the back of my head of something lacking.

At this point, I won't make a judgement regarding Nuru massage. I might try Doki Doki to see if it's different. Maybe the next time I will pick a hotter lady, after all, I'm allowed to be selfish when it comes to my pleasure. I might even return to Daisy to try one of the other ladies too.

I'm realizing that my planned vacation of sex and debauchery has morphed into something else. I can't and won't rush off to all the playgrounds, popping pills and rushing sex. I'm realizing that I want the intimacy and chemistry that comes with the act. I guess I'll have to bide my time in these pursuits. In any case, I will still indulge in food and shopping and the tourist things!

Hope I didn't bore you all and will be back soon!

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767633]So, after a long time coming, I finally landed in Bangkok. As informed, it was hot and humid but I wasn't bothered. I just wanted to carry out my plan of action and start my vacation of gluttony and debauchery. But as the saying goes, "The best laid plans of mice and men. ".

The hotel that I've booked in was a little disappointing. Only a little. The room itself is ok but the hotel itself felt a bit rundown but hey, the bed was super comfy!

I seriously don't know how you guys do it. Straight off the tarmac and off to get the rocks off! By the time I got to my room, I was completely worn out! That's just probably me getting old though! So all I did on my first day in Bangkok was get some food, change some cash and sleep.

Day 2.

I'm not sure when or how it happened but my desire for 2 weeks of sex and debauchery somehow faded into the ether. Or at least the urgency for it. I'm smack in the middle of a city where sex is so readily available, I didn't feel the need to rush. So. I rejigged my plans. I headed off the get the pharmaceutical aids that would assist my staying power at Southeast Pharmacy then off to MBK. Part of the plan was to get a suit made. Ended up getting 2. (curse me for lacking willpower! After some food and rest, I changed more money and off I went! My first punt of my trip!![/QUOTE]You might as well Forget chemistry. That happens over multiple sessions over months.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767633]So, after a long time coming, I finally landed in Bangkok. As informed, it was hot and humid but I wasn't bothered. I just wanted to carry out my plan of action and start my vacation of gluttony and debauchery. But as the saying goes, "The best laid plans of mice and men. ".

I seriously don't know how you guys do it. Straight off the tarmac and off to get the rocks off! By the time I got to my room, I was completely worn out! That's just probably me getting old though! So all I did on my first day in Bangkok was get some food, change some cash and sleep.

I'm realizing that my planned vacation of sex and debauchery has morphed into something else. I can't and won't rush off to all the playgrounds, popping pills and rushing sex. I'm realizing that I want the intimacy and chemistry that comes with the act. I guess I'll have to bide my time in these pursuits. In any case, I will still indulge in food and shopping and the tourist things!

Hope I didn't bore you all and will be back soon![/QUOTE]Hey, there's lots to experience in Bkk the first time other than just debauchery. It's an amazing place for lots of reasons, so acclimate yourself and enjoy the touring first. I know what you mean: I read reports from some of our fellow heathen and just don't know how they pack so much debauchery into one trip. I pace myself. Usually indulging once every 3 or 4 days so I can still chill and regain juice for the next girl.

Keep in mind that not everyone gets the fever or addiction right away. Maybe you don't feel much the first week or even month, but then one day you're walking innocently down the sidewalk, and suddenly, boom!, that ass wiggly in front of you knocks you between the eyes, and then you just got to have it!

Or maybe you have 3 or 4 bad punts and are ready to give up, but you decide to sneak one in just before you get on your plane home and it finally hits you just right because you let yourself loose only when you knew you were leaving. Then you find yourself back home and your LB is aching to get back to Bkk for more, so the 2nd trip is when you're rampaging out of control like these other superstars.

Whatever you do, don't ruin the whole trip because of a couple listless punts. Bkk can still provide plenty of thrills. Spicy food, cold drinks, outdoor markets, indoor malls. And beautiful girls.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767633]So, after a long time coming, I finally landed in Bangkok. As informed, it was hot and humid but I wasn't bothered. I just wanted to carry out my plan of action and start my vacation of gluttony and debauchery. But as the saying goes, "The best laid plans of mice and men. ".

The hotel that I've booked in was a little disappointing. Only a little. The room itself is ok but the hotel itself felt a bit rundown but hey, the bed was super comfy![/QUOTE]Great Report. You will always have a better time if you be yourself and do what makes you happy.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767633]So, after a long time coming, I finally landed in Bangkok. As informed, it was hot and humid but I wasn't bothered. I just wanted to carry out my plan of action and start my vacation of gluttony and debauchery. But as the saying goes, "The best laid plans of mice and men. ".

The hotel that I've booked in was a little disappointing. Only a little. The room itself is ok but the hotel itself felt a bit rundown but hey, the bed was super comfy!

I and will be back soon![/QUOTE]Great FR. On mobile so this will be short. Check out ROD's, Reports of Distinction, for some places to enjoy various [I] experiences[/I], noting prices.

Like you, the neru thing never really thrilled me (Doki Doki twice, Kokoro once, but the session at Kokoro was enjoyable. I took a look at their website and booked a lady I found attractive, one data point, picture accurate. Booked as it is popular. Check thread for FR.). I always visit Tulip, FR on that thread. As we discussed, Sakura. After, walk up a block to Soi 55/ Soi 8 Foodland, in the basement, sit at the counter in the restaurant, and have a nam-a-now soda (lime squash with soda water), very refreshing. On Soi 13, Ampersand, great gelato.

Finally, next trip, look at serviced apartments. For decades, I used Royal President, Sukhumvit Soi 15. Can't say anything about current condition or prices, but you might check it out.

Volterra is absolutely correct. These girls do this for a living and are far more street-wise than many give them credit for. They know those that have been there before and those are "cherries".

These girls are in the bars 10-12 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. They have hours upon hours of practice on perfecting the craft of extracting the most they can for the least amount of effort. While they may be uneducated and speak broken English, do not mistake this to mean they are stupid, far from it. Most of them will have you summed up long before you order your first drink.

N_r.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2767473]10 K for that! Was your calculator malfunctioning when you ordered?

Let me get this straight: You dropped 6400 (drinks + BF) for a ST and not an overnight? And then you went back?? And you expect her to risk losing another customer just to be polite and run over to you?

Look, not to be too hard on you, but I'd suggest that you learn and adapt. You must have built some unrealistic expectations based on reports you read before your first trip. Most guys write glowing reports once they've earned the good experiences, but the bad experiences are there too.

You're bound to be disappointed in BKK after this week, and I think BKK may, in turn, be disappointed in you. There's no point sitting around a go go club with the same girl sitting on your lap for 2-3 hours. You need to ask what the BF / minimum drink policy is as you enter so that you can politely move on to another establishment if you don't accept the terms (no worries, I also learned the hard way). And I suggest you make your decision during the first drink and go forward with the BF or leave.

And you'd also need to learn some lessons about the outcalls and adjust to make it better bang for the baht. Did you do your research before your trip?

Seriously, the prices / conditions are getting tougher and tougher for the lot of us because guys (like you, yes) are not learning how to work / negotiate / walk away. Now I'm going to go there in 2 weeks and Dollhouse and your GF there are going to have their newly inflated expectations reinforced. Thanks a lot! But don't blame Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StreamFlyer;2767031]I wanted some opinions on how to split up this 20 day Thailand trip. Should I do 10 Bangkok and 10 in Pattaya? Any tips or experiences you'd want to share would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]One thing you should consider is how you prefer to spend your time when you're AREN'T being a naughty boy. Are you a foodie? A shopper? A museum goer? Wanting to see temples and other cultural sites? Then you'll probably want to tilt toward Bangkok. Or do you prefer to spend your down time with a cold drink close at hand while watching the world pass by in a tiny little bar off the beaten path? Maybe watching the waves roll ashore while lounging in a comfortable beach chair under an umbrella? Or perhaps day drinking with your mates (new or old) in a beer bar or gentleman's club? In that case, Pattaya will probably appeal.

I live in a big city and enjoy the intense vibe very much. But on holiday I prefer to chill out. Pattaya's laid back beach vibe appeals to me, so I always start my holiday there. Wandering around town in my shorts and whiling away the hours doing whatever strikes my fancy just lowers my blood pressure. That said, I eventually get bored. So I transfer my flag to Bangkok at the end of my trip. My personal preference runs toward waifish girls who have not spoiled their looks with cosmetic surgery and/or tattoos, and I find more of those girls in Bangkok. I also enjoy shopping for electronic stuff and always find time to go that in the big malls. Finally, my flight home is a long one and it's nice to be closer to the airport when the time comes to leave.

Bunky

Thank you all for your words of wisdom and encouragement. I will definitely take heed of your advice.

Just a quick update for now.

Day 3.

Got up bright and early and headed of to Chatuchak Weekend Market. Wow, that place is amazing and next level shopping! Spent 3. 5 hours there and some money and still didn't manage to cover a fifth of the place!! My legs were shot and my back was aching so I called it a day and headed back. This challenge isn't done as I still have one more weekend in BKK.

After dropping of my haul and having a brief rest, I made my way to Spring Spa & Massage down at Soi 24. Took the 2 HR package for Thai and Aromatherapy oil massage. Throughout the massage, I made the fascinating discovery that my body was a total and absolute shitshow. My massage attendant was a heavy set middle aged lady made of pure muscle and she put me through the grinder (as per my instruction, of course). Yeah, I was NOT taking proper care of my body and it decided to teach me the error of my ways. Will definitely return for more sessions. The cost was 1650.

Preview for Day 4.

Will be heading off to Rebirth Massage Clinic for my first ever Jabkasai & Prostate massage. Will let you know what the experience is like. Hopefully, I will be able to report on more sexual escapades after this treatment!

Have a great day everyone!

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767868]Thank you all for your words of wisdom and encouragement. I will definitely take heed of your advice.

Just a quick update for now.

Day 3.

Got up bright and early and headed of to Chatuchak Weekend Market. Wow, that place is amazing and next level shopping! Spent 3. 5 hours there and some money and still didn't manage to cover a fifth of the place!! My legs were shot and my back was aching so I called it a day and headed back. This challenge isn't done as I still have one more weekend in BKK.

After dropping of my haul and having a brief rest, I made my way to Spring Spa & Massage down at Soi 24. Took the 2 HR package for Thai and Aromatherapy oil massage. Throughout the massage, I made the fascinating discovery that my body was a total and absolute shitshow. My massage attendant was a heavy set middle aged lady made of pure muscle and she put me through the grinder (as per my instruction, of course). Yeah, I was NOT taking proper care of my body and it decided to teach me the error of my ways. Will definitely return for more sessions. The cost was 1650.[/QUOTE]Were you hoping for a hot sex goddess masseuse or did you just take whoever they gave you.

I long for the days when I got massaged by hot sex goddesses.

Spent literally millions. Of baht that is, Pre covidity.

Day 4.

As I'm typing this, a quick check tells me that my body is definitely functioning better. Would love to say that there's a spring in my step but my still aching calves say otherwise.

Okay, down to the nitty gritty. When I arrived for my appointment, I was greeted at the front entrance by a pretty young lady. She was, let's say, "Reubenesque" (or curvy, shall we say). The 'studio' is located in an apartment building. The apartment was sparsely furnished yet tasteful and tranquil. She explained what the procedure was and showed me to the shower. After drying off, it was on the bed face-down. She started of with a back massage which was firm and professional, none of the teasing as per the happy ending MPs. After a while I was asked to raise my hips as she focused on my anus and genitals. After the warm up, it was all on! Genital and prostate massage. Sorry gents, it is really hard to describe how it felt. The genital massage was definitely pleasurable but not in a sexual way and the prostate massage was the same. After a short period of time, I was asked if I wanted to pee (which I did) and we had a short break.

When I returned, it was on my back and we resumed the treatment. It began with another firm massage around my stomach and hip area. It sort of felt like she was trying to move whatever was inside my intestines and she continued prodding the area above my genitals, inner thighs and crotch without touching the crown jewels. When she started on the jewels, she gently held the low hanging fruit and gently squeezed and pulled one and then the other. She told me to expect a little pain within the genital area when she pulled them. After that, it was the root and the head. Holy Hell! The intense pleasure was shocking to say the least. She worked on the head, stalk and perinium with a gentle yet firm pressure. By the end of it, my 'little friend' was standing tall and proud.

THEN came the surprise!! She offered a B2B and BJ for 2000 B. Seriously, I was NOT expecting it but who am I to refuse since I had to ensure that the jewels were in good working order. Truth be told, I was amazed at how hard my erection was it almost brought tears to my eyes. After a most pleasant dalliance, I had a shower, paid and thanked her and headed off home.

The 2 HR session itself cost 4000 B. Was it worth it? For a first timer like me, I'd say yes. However, I'm also withholding judgement until I try what Spring Spa & Massage has to offer. I only found out about it when I had my Thai Massage session there. I doubt they'll offer extras but I just need to compare the experiences.

I had planned to visit Doki Doki tonight but I might postpone it for now. Don't want to overtax 'the bro' after such a healing session. In case any of you gentlemen would like to try, Google 'Rebirth Massage Studio'.

Peace out!!

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767971]Day 4.

As I'm typing this, a quick check tells me that my body is definitely functioning better. Would love to say that there's a spring in my step but my still aching calves say otherwise.

Okay, down to the nitty gritty. When I arrived for my appointment, I was greeted at the front entrance by a pretty young lady. She was, let's say, "Reubenesque" (or curvy, shall we say). The 'studio' is located in an apartment building. The apartment was sparsely furnished yet tasteful and tranquil. She explained what the procedure was and showed me to the shower. After drying off, it was on the bed face-down. She started of with a back massage which was firm and professional, none of the teasing as per the happy ending MPs. After a while I was asked to raise my hips as she focused on my anus and genitals. After the warm up, it was all on! Genital and prostate massage. Sorry gents, it is really hard to describe how it felt. The genital massage was definitely pleasurable but not in a sexual way and the prostate massage was the same. After a short period of time, I was asked if I wanted to pee (which I did) and we had a short break.[/QUOTE]Great report Twilight. Thanks. 4000 bt for 2 hours is a good deal. I am going to BK in 2 days. I will definitely try it.

[QUOTE=TravellerXX83;2766501]How was Sugar Club? Were there a lot of freelancers?[/QUOTE]Not as many that I noticed as in 808 in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=TravellerXX83;2766503]Has anyone recently been to Mixx? How is it after Covid? Can one recommend or better go to Levels or Sugar Club?[/QUOTE]I was at Mixx but early, around 12:00 am on a Monday. It wasn't busy. But there were at least 7-8 freelancers in a corner sitting waiting.

Personally for the crowd I liked Sugar Club more. Also because it's more compact. So you bump into ladies more often.

(Still voice notes).

Day 2 (BKK) - Exploring, the high and low.

Visited the palace and temple. And yeah the tuktuk scam is real. Didn't take one though.

Hadn't eaten until I was finished with seeing everything. Bought water while exiting the Palace for 20 baht. I go to eat I see water is 5-10 baht there. *.

Went back to the hotel. Took a nap, which was longer than I planned.

I wanted to explore some of the areas and venues I had listed down to get a idea of what to expect and where I could return to. *.

Lusty lady arrived at 20:30-21:00.

Only 3 guys playing pool. One*girl came straight to me and started talking. Then she asked to sit down and she asked for a drink. I said Okay we started talking. I wasn't really into her and I continue to ask questions and she answered. There wasn't really a spark just a normal conversation?

I forgot what her name she said ST price is 3,000 I nodded and drank three drinks and she got two lady drinks. Then the manager / owner who is a ladyboy came to our table. Asked if she could get a drink for the girl. Started talking with me. I congratulated her on opening new bar. She said she had another one at soi 8. Then she asked if she could get a drink. I said No. I'm leaving then. She tried to push for a drink. I said I had to leave. She said but it's raining hard and noticed that that but I decided to take my chance. So I asked for the bill hugged the girl and when I stepped outside the rain was almost done so I started walking to the next soi. Later I realised I lost my face mask. These pants I have are a curse and a pleasing.

So I walk to an area. I think it was the Arab area to Nana Plaza which I didn't realise was Nana Plaza because I was just following my marked places to visit. The guy / security at the check said that photocopy of my passport would not be accepted but he would let me through this time.

I checked my phone for some of the notes I had made on places to visit. I didn't see all the places right away. Then I saw Spanky so I went up and at spanky it was a nude bar at the girls were constantly dancing in shifts. It wasn't clear to me at the start that I could ask a girl. Then I saw one girl was kind of nice. I started to checking her out more. She was dancing but not with a lot of energy.

The place funny, the order girls were spanking some customers with foams. One 20 something guy thought he was spanking one of the ladies hard. Wrong, she reversed the rolls and she showed him how it was done*.

After I think three drinks one of the ladies that was taking orders for drinks was asking me or which lady you want to buy a drink for and she pointed to two lady sitting and I eventually said to the girl I was checking out. Forgot her name. We had a talk for a minute or two and she said okay. She would be right back. She had to do a performance and the performance was with another girl. It was like a love story she would go to the guy and they would kiss and she would be fucked with the fake dildo. Everytime that happened a horse sound came on.

But that was the moment I decided that I wouldn't get her information or barfine. The fake sounds turned me off a bit. We talked again. And later on when she was dancing again with the whole group which, but said she said she would come back to again and she did. She didn't really move that energetic so it was the final nail in the coffin for that. I decided that she would not be worth the fee with a bar fine of I think it was 6 or 800 and an ST of 3000. So I had one last drink before I left.

I checked my list to see if there were other places and could visit at Nana Plaza. I was looking around and I couldn't really find another place then I saw the the sign for Mandarin and I walked up and as I was walking towards the entrance two ladies pulled me in so I thought that was Mandarin and the ladies were pretty funny. They wanted to sit me at four girls and I said No. I'm going to sit alone and I ordered one drink. The girls that were dancing here were of a younger than Spanky but I felt that the quality or the entertainment was lower. It was not topless and the girls wouldn't really dancing. The majority of them was not really dancing. Only a few and one of the waitresses was having a lot of banter and I enjoyed that. So when one of the girls came to talk to me and she asked for a lady drink I said no. And then the waitress that was giving me the banter. So I said Okay because you're so fun I'm going to buy you a lady drink and she got excited then they sent one girl over who was new. And we just started talking. She has a day job which she started 6 hours after her shift would.

I didn't really feel her the way I had with spanky. But bought her a LD. I was having a lot of fun and banter with the service ladies. Then one of the girls that was eyeing me came over she started grinding me. Got her a drink and groped her to my satisfaction. She had to dance again and left.

So I asked the mama son what's the bar fine and she told me it was 800 I think and ST was 3,000. I got one more drink. One of the waitresses wanted a drink as well and I said no and she pretended to be upset so that was a lot of laughing.

I left thinking I might get back here at a later time and as I was walking outside there was a girl who started pulling me towards the real Mandarin which I later discovered and she had a good sales talk which kept me there at the entrance instead of leaving. And we started negotiating on the spot.

She was like 'Oh I go with you, you pay bar fine 800 and then short time 3000 for me'. I said no and she quickly countered by dropping*the price 2000 I stay with you and BF 1,000. I like that offer better so I decided to accept it as I was planning to go to a different place anyway and when we left she started explaining that was the real Mandarin and that she saw me coming up and she wanted to pull me in but the other girls were before her.

We were heading to Mixx club and she called the cab for 100 which I felt was still expensive and once we got into the club and it was empty. You only had like a few girls and like one or two guys. One started talking with me. Asked me if it would get more busy and I said Yeah the girl I was with she talked with the lady at the door and it would get more busier later in the evening around 12:00 so we drank our free drinks. Dancing together teasing. She looked 25 but she was 35.

After about I think 45 minutes of dancing, talking and getting it to know each other. She was grabbing my dick saying no ass too big. I was making jokes said no I'm small like Thai guy. She said 'Okay we go to your hotel' and I said Okay.

After we were leaving the club a taxi would bring us to the hotel for 200. I said No. I'm not going to do that and we started walking and as we were walking another taxi came and she started talking to the guy and the guy said Okay I'll bring you for 100 and I agree to that. So we got in but he didn't bring us to the entrance of the hotel but he did drop us off nearby so he could continue quickly. And without me realizing my phone slipped out if my pants in the taxi. It's the same pants I lost my phone while when you went home after a party in Amsterdam. I only realized it like hours later when I was trying to write down everything that had happened up till that moment.

Anyways the girl I brought over from Mandarin I forgot her name as well while Exchanged Line info. And picked up some stuff from 7-Eleven. Drinking a bit before quickly showering together. While in the shower she started giving me a blowjob which was sadly only the tip. After the shower quick jump into bed. I was fucking her long and she said she came multiple times. I saw it 2 times, she was shivering.

We started talking about what I like in woman. I said big breast. She didn have big breast and said 'you don't like me'. I countered I do you have amazing pussy, I fuck you all night*.

Then she started talking about leaving in the morning with her friend to the temple to pray. But she would stay a bit. And I said Okay but don't forget your alarm so you leave on time. And I fucked her a few more times and every time I fucked her she came.

She kept DFK me. I liked her energy and spirit.

*.

The most annoying thing about this evening was me losing my phone even though it was my secondary phone. It's the phone that I had all the information on for all my mongering which really pissed me off because I had a lot of stuff written down and I lost the ability to post every day or every other day with information about my trip.

So this resulted in me having to write things down in my primary account and then having to copy.

Day 3 (BKK) - Evening ending in splash.

Went to eat something at a food court. Then headed out to check Soi Cowboy which was around 18:30 I think. There wasn't much activity so I left quickly. Wanted to see what Thermae was like but I passed it. Didn't really see anything pop out pointing to it. *.

Went back to the hotel. Stalling a bit before heading out to Above Eleven. A sky bar that was having a salsa evening. Nice bar. After about an hour I left because it was way to hot in there for me. Headed towards Soi Cowboy but I wanted to see Thermae. Finally managed to spot it. I get in, and realised you're forced to buy a drink before walking around. I do that, make a round. I didn't get a good vibe so left right away. *.

Arriving at Soi Cowboy it was more alive now. Walked through the street to see if I saw familiar names of bars. Didn't really get pulled in. It has a far more relaxed vibe than Nana Plaza. Went to Crazy House. This was a sad showing girls hardly moving while on stage. They placed me near the bar. One girl did bust a few moves and was clearly the best but not my type. Left after one drink. Went to another (forgot the name). Ladies here were a bit more active in dancing. I sat downstairs and had one drink before leaving. Deciding to head to Mixx but forgot which station I need to exit. So go to the hotel. Decide not to go to Mixx and pick a different place. *.

Head towards Soi 11 the place I first went to Blaq Lyte doesn't seem to be open. Then next door to Juicy. Open bar and girls dancing. Lower caliber than sugar bar. I leave after one drink. Had some crowd and a what seem to be a weed dispensary. *.

Go into sugar club and I get greeted by the guy I tipped on Monday. Go inside and get my drink. Quickly order a next one (you see where this is heading). Get approached by a woman in her 30's. She with friends, I like on of het friends more but she has an attitude. The woman that approached ke is fun. We talk, dance. Buy her a drink she's grinding me. Want to give me her Line and I tell her I lost my phone. Later writes down her number old school style. *.

Even though we're dancing together I'm not putting real effort in it. Do a double order (pay for 2, get one now and the 2nd in 15 min). Buy another girl a drink keeping it cool. She wants to hang around but I let her go free and we keep bumping into each other. This is where I**to start loosen up. Meet an guy from SA, we talk about the the*places in BKK. He brags about SA and that I should visit. Things are blank thinking back.

Don't remember getting outside but I do remember seeing the guy talk to a girl and she has a hot friend. So I wingman. Suddenly I need to pee and rush to a nearby bar head to the bathroom and yep just as I whip it out it hits part of my pants. I'm fucked. I walk out and the girl sees it. Starts doubting if she needs to leave with me. But decides after quoting 3000 k which I stupidly agree to. *.

Now I don't remember how I got to the hotel or how I got inside. I do remember being in the room then things are blank again. Though I have a faint memory of fucking her I can remember it vividly. *.

So next morning I wake up smile at first, thinking next wait I don't remember the girl leaving. Jump up walk to the door and see it's locked. So I did do something. See there are clothes in the washing machine. Can't remember putting them in when realise all my stuff is on the counter but no cash, AMEX still there. Rush to the vault it closed. Go back to the counter and can't remember jack shit.

See my laptop is still there which I had taken to upload a big backup, at this point I'm confused as fuck because what happened. I open the security box and see there is cash in it. So I did something right or. Was it cash I had not taken out? I start writing down what I had spend. I'm short 4000 baht if I counted everything correctly but it's all so weird.
Through some further expense checking I was able to reduce the 4000 to 2000 that I could not account for.*.

As am writing this now I'm still unclear what happened exactly except I fucked up. Hope nobody remembers seeing me walk around with wet pants.

Also weird, the number that was written down by the other lady was on the table in a way to make me think that was the girls number / name. For me the only thing that was out of place.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767868]After dropping of my haul and having a brief rest, I made my way to Spring Spa & Massage down at Soi 24. Took the 2 HR package for Thai and Aromatherapy oil massage. Throughout the massage, I made the fascinating discovery that my body was a total and absolute shitshow. My massage attendant was a heavy set middle aged lady made of pure muscle and she put me through the grinder (as per my instruction, of course). Yeah, I was NOT taking proper care of my body and it decided to teach me the error of my ways. Will definitely return for more sessions. The cost was 1650.[/QUOTE]That place is very expensive and I don't think you get a better massage in return.

The best place I've found around that area is on soi26. It's the first shop on the right hand side when you enter the shop from Sukhumvit.

If you see the masseuse with number "805" (blonde hairs), ask for her to do your massage.

She is the one that got me the best foot massage, any massage you take, take at least 2 hours.

No happy ending in this place, it's all legit massage only.

And when you'll finish, you can have a look at the girls working in the fuck service joints on soi 24/1 just behind the shop.

[B]Observations thus far[/B]

People are glued to their phone. I thought it was bad in Amsterdam it's worse here. Everywhere, store and stall clerks. In the metro. *.

Land of (lesser) Smiles. Some of the malls I visited got hit bad with closed stores. There was even one where I which had only 20% of its stores open. *.

There is an appreciation visible when you wear a mask. *.

Having a Rabbit card is almost a must. Easy to get around and a lot cheaper than alter alternatives. Best thing every 2 minutes there is a metro. Dutch public service can learn from this.

[i]Things I forgot to mention.[/i]

Day 3 I went to Doki Doki around 18:00 no ladies available, reception told me to book online to get the best chance.

Still want to get a Nuru massage before I go.

[b]Day 4 (BKK) - The morning after.[/b]

Plan for tonight is to go to Nana Plaza and meet the girl from the 2nd day. She must be mad at me for not responding on Line and giving the appearance that I ghosted her. Going back because I like the energy she gave off. But type wise she's not what I'm looking for, I need bigger breasts and a deepthroater. *.

Have to see what I'm going to do for the next 6 hours until then.

[B]Day 4 (BKK) - Seems some braincells died[/B]

Against better judgement I started talking to a tuktuk guy who has been on my corner for the past few days. Whenever he sees me tries his best.

Discouraged me from going to Daisy massage, because they have LB's. He would have dropped me off for 40 baht. Asked him which massage authentic. He named a place I forgot. In a miscommunication I thought that massage would be 800 he said, no 2500. He started talking about soapy. Here I caved. Sales talk of how amazing it is. Get the same as other places who charge separate. Would be 4500. Told him let's go back to pick up money. Well, lesson learned. No, during the ride we talked about clothing. Said he would bring me to the main place of where they make suits. Eventually we got there and I realised he's getting a fee. I didn't feel comfortable told them I'd be back when I have more time. *.

Left with the tuktuk guy so he could drop me off at Venus massage. Guess what it was a different one that I had typed. We get there I give him 60 baht as we had agreed. Walk in see older ladies with 1-2 young ones. Number*341 peeked my interest right away. Tried to play it cool. Asked the lady how it worked. 2 order ones were motioning me to pick them. One if the younger ones was look eager at me. *.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/A2VucbTgJvw8ATbK6[/URL]

But still 341 who looked away, sort of shy got picked. Now my good friend the tuktuk driver was happy as I told him big boobs are my thing. I as I paid the 4500 for 90 min was less than but still eager to try out this lady. And thus would be another checklist item marked.

Oh boy the room wasn't all that. Standing in a tub. She gave me a 90 body rub. Had a titjob for 30 seconds. Then came covered bjowjob. Which ranked better than freelancer #1 but still sub par. Then she wanted missionary as I was too big for her to sit on. Did that and 1 min into she started with the 'come for me'. Started slapping my ass. 2 min after that she goed hand job. I say no fuck. She says you can't come. I tell her I like long time, she gets a bit upset and soldiers on. I started increasing speed so I could be done with it. Busted a nut. Then she started a "massage". Weak as fuck, we talked a bit but was really into talking as I just got the worst overal service till now. After that 10 min she says shower. I'm thinking ok, round 2 and more like that. No this was the end. I tell her I paid for 90 minutes. Started acting confused. Wasn't feeling this as all. And rather than stalking to the mama-san I left. I made the mistake at the beginning going with the tuktuk. This was (another) punishment for being stupid.

Well guess I won't be going all out to to tonight. Still a bit under the budget with the 2 k disappearance. *.

If Nana Plaza is nothing I'll probably write about it tonight.

Funny thing about it now that I think of it, I read a post somebody had a similar experience as me. Thought to myself that won't happen to me. Guess who's the donkey now.

[b]Day 4 (BKK) - exceeding daily budget[/b]

After the disaster during the day I hoped that the evening would be more more enjoyable. Nana Plaza wasn't open till 20:00 and i did further research to find out Billboard was on the 3rd floor (or 2nd for us Europeans).*

First I needed to eat. I suspected that twas the reason it hit me hard on Wednesday. I went to Mani. It was on my list to eat. The place has a look at ok the street. You see a few freelancers and the massage shops girls. Had a Thai-franch tenderloin beef dish. Was nice. Took a cocktail and a juice. Though at a total of 1200 made this a bad choice in the end.

It was just past 20:00 and i realised having my primary phone with me might not be the best idea when going to Nana Plaza so i head back to the hotel. It didn't register with me that is was just a street down from where I was staying. Walking back to BTS station took as much if not more with the ride and wait .

Dropped the phone off and headed towards Nana Plaza. First stop Mandarin. Going through the check they let me pass. I smirked considering on Tuesday the white guy sitting there was a bit strict. I headed up and am greeted by the security guy, and the ladies from the (wrong) downstairs Manderin, of which i still don't know the real name. The mama-san from upstairs called dibs on me as i had promised i would return and buy her a drink.*

Upstairs the place was dead. Mama-san called a girl over apparently new. Pushed for me to BF her. I said no because I wanted the girl from Tuesday. She then said she is on holiday. Which surprised me. Bought the new girl one drink and headed downstairs. Was greeted warmly by many there. Immediate push for LD, i said no. Only coke for me. People were a bit (fake) shocked. Later a girl stared at me. Cute face but not really my type body wise. Bought her a LD. One of the waitresses got a LD as well. I said I didn't want another drink. She then prompted to get me one herself (she paid for it). I checked the bin to be sure. Then got the mama-san a LD. The waitress who gave me a drink brought over a small Mandarin which I could share/feed to the girl. Between that and the chit chat i started feeling like going home. Suddenly i got a plate with fruit delivered from the waitress. This prompted some laughter.*

Another girl who was grinding me on Tuesday came over we tried to talk and I bought her a LD but eventually just left. Paid up and left. Walked around Nana and saw the LB bars. Left to go to the hotel.*

As i was in my hotel i started to wonder if breaking the daily budget would be worth it. Made some calculation and the safest option would be to use one of the extra cash options.*

Exchanging money wasn't possible anymore so I opted to use an ATM. Which was a bit confusing in use. And the initial rate was way worse. I opted not to use the shown conversion. Went on to Nana Plaza and this where it hit me how close by it really was.*

When I got there the Thai guy motioned me to pass through. I had looked up and saw Billboard on the third floor. Went there and as I walked in it hit me right away. This WAS the best place in Nana Plaza. More girls, juicier girls. I was in shock. Did i waste LD's at the wrong place. It was crowded. I managed to get a place and saw some big breasted lookers. I then saw one but she disappeared. A mama-san came to me while she cooled near the vent. Asked me which girl. I said Im looking for 216. Pointed she was upstairs. She asked nobody was there. She started looking around. In the mean time i had started to drink my usual Poison, Jack & coke.*

While trying to find the girl I wanted i saw some crazy body girls. There was a dark skinned girl. At first i thought she was a black girl, because the ass and tits were insane for a TG. A few light ones with cute asses and nice tits. Eventually we came to the conclusion 216 was gone. Considering it was 12am it made sense. I got introduced to #31, shirt haired big tits. But i felt the vibe was off when in looked at her. And it was confirmed during a talk. I gave her a lady drink for het trouble as i was looking further. Then twice again saw a number that got BF right before I wanted to talk.*

Another thing i noticed was that the ones i wanted weren't really looking at me. And the ones that did weren't what i wanted from this place. What I also liked about Billboard was that they were far less pushy on the LD and getting me a girl.*

I decided to go down to the bar next to Mandarin. Might be able to pick that cute face from before. Wrong! She was gone. Another girl was eyeing me hard. Decided to buy her a LD. Apparently a new girl, 6 days in. She was grinding me hard. I looked for a potential 2nd girl to take along. But didn't really see anything. Then started the push for LD again. I got a bit tired of it and called it. Asked for the BF got quotes 900, + 3000 for the girl. I said yes. The girl looked a bit frightened. Then looking at my dick. Think the mama-san pushed her a bit because she was afraid of my potential size. She went along with it and we left. Started walking towards the hotel. Used Translate to communicate. No check at the front desk again. In the room got her a drink set up she wanted to shower after two sip. To my surprise there was no warm water. She makes sure I'm washed. We go to the bed and she starts kissing. DFK and liking. Starts sucking on the nipples and moving down. Sadly a tip only blowjob but at least BBBJ. After a few minutes she went to lay on the bed. We kissed. I put my dick in her mouth again. She then suggest we fuck. She a bit afraid and i show her the lube and she's happy. Go go slowly and she starts screaming a bit. I ask her if she's alright. She nods but i decide to take it slow the first minute and kiss her to loosen her up. She's enjoying it. Then i increase speed and find out she's a screamer. I take her in a few positions and she seems to love it but it's unclear to me if it's completely faked. After a good 30 min i had enough of the screaming. I wrap it up. Later saw there was a bit of blood on the condom and bed. Asked her if she was alright and she nodded. She showered and seemed happy for the 3K. Also gave her 200 extra. Before she left she wanted a few more sips of the drink I had made. And we kissed a bit more. She liked it seems like she didn't want to go but was obligated to.

I showered and went to bed. Then the night shouting happened again. Which i could hear in the room. This is one of the rooms not on the street side

*

[b]Observations from this evening.*[/b]

At Billboard it seems the girls prefer ST. Some don't even offer LT. Spoke with a bunch of 20 y.o guys from the UK and they were expecting to be able to pick up girls for free on the street. Wish them all the best. Guys are making it rain (20 baht bills) in there.*

I'm hitting a wall with FL on TF. No response after initial interaction. Meanwhile I'm seeing 60+ aged guys on the street with stunners. I need these guys game.

[i]Thoughts for the next day[/i]

Thinking of Tulip but can't get over how the place looks. Might actually do a Nuru even though the tuktuk guy tried to scare me with the LB stories of them working there. I'm also going to check out Smooci. Because they offer more shots and time than some of these FL on TF who are quoting 3K.

I was planning to meet up with some guys from BA forum but with the loss of access to my accounts and phone that plan went down the drain.

Day 5 (BKK) - Options laid bare.

Starting the day off by heading to the Bangkok Culture & Art Centre. It was not as I had expected. Various exposition with the actual artist there to tell about their process. Then headed to MKB mall. Followed by a trip to the hidden foodmarket across of Siam mall. Followed by Siam Center itself where I grabbed something to eat. Had some big prawns but it wasn't enough as I hadn't taken rice with it. Back to the hotel and grabbed something from mom and pops. Shrimp dish (rice and shrimp) and a coconut smoothie. *.

Back to the room to eat and eventually taking a nap. I then went to Lumphini Park, I actually wanted to go to Benchakitti but one of the girls on TF said it was closed due to summit. Didn't realise that. Walking to the metro the tuktuk guy Boom was there. Told him I was not happy and not going to the tailor. Wasn't interested anyway. Think he felt bad and realised he lost business. Said he'd bring me to the park for free. Did not believe him. But again I was stupid. We get into the tuktuk. He says ' but friend can you help me one thing'. There it was. He wanted me to go to another tailor, just go inside look for 2 minutes so he can get a free stamp for gas. I went along with his scam, could have gotten an Emmy for my performance. Haven't seen anybody drop prices on shirts and belts as quick as these guys. Said I'd come back. *.

He dropped me off at Lumphini, perhaps because he was on his way home and trying to fix a broken relationship. *.

I walked around the park. It was smaller than I thought. Sat down for a while while browsing TF. I was hitting a dead road there. Which concerned me a bit for Pattaya. *.

Got back to the hotel with BST. Then I took the first side street in Soi 8 because I remembered a new bar would open there on the 18th. Seems to be marketed towards HiSo people. I couldn't enter with shorts so I went to change and take my time. Got back there and got a complimentary drink. When I walked in there was a guy with shirts. Later I saw another guy with shorta. There wasn't any food just snack bites. Started talking with a Aussie guy who is a teacher. After about 30-45 min I had to leave to at least eat something before going to the salsa evening. Went to a burger joint close to it. Prime burger. There wasn't a seat for me so I said I'd take away. They checked with customers who were sitting for a while and gave me their seat. The burger was nice. Right balance of everything. *.

After that quick but off to the salsa evening. I was a bit early and the class also ran out. Danced with a few ladies, loved this place better than Above Eleven, it was cooler here. *.

Eventually left and went to Soi Cowboy. When I passed Crazy House I saw the doormen quote an Indian guy 500 baht. I walked down the street once looking for a place I yad not visited but had forgotten te name. It later dawned on me I had already visited it before. It was around 22:30 and the girls were grabbing. Soi Cowboy didn't seem like it was for me. Decided to go to the hotel, change to shorts and hit Nana. As I was heading towards Billboard I noticed that who looked like my energy bunny was there. I saw it was and walk around to greet and let her know about my phone situation. I get there she walks over I get pulled from the bar down stairs I check for the name and it's Red Dragon. I say no I only can to talk with her. We go upstairs talk about I get her a drink and myself one. She goes up to write down her line. Comes back and we go downstairs. She kisses me a few times. Excited and all. *.

Staff from Red Dragon is pulling me in. They pretend to be fake mad I'm going to Billboard, but they understand why. I hug the energy bunny tell I contact her and come back tomorrow. Forgot to mention both places were more packed with customers but not as much as Billboard.

Head up to Billboard. Full as hell Can't sit. One of the waitresses gets me a seat at a small table where 2 other guys are sitting. Sipping easy looking around. I see 216, damn she is really pretty. When she goes to dance a vibe she might be bad in bed. Hardly moving staring around blindly. I started looking at another, number 58. Cute face enough as and tits. But I also seem to get the attention from 78. A blondie that had porn star looks. I remember her grinding a guy the day before. Having and having big ass nipples. We wants to come over but I actually want 58 more. Wave to mama-san she asks me how I am. I tell her good. And I found 216 but I like a. Different one more. She points to 58 and comes down. We talk and it seems to go positive. English is good we can conversate. We bounce together to the beat. Eventually she gets 3 LD from me. The first 2 went down quick but they were tequila shots. The 3rd one she took her time. I also noticed she looking around the place. My mood shifted to 78. *.

As 58 let me know she needed to dance I ask mama-san if 78 is good. She nods yes. As if minds could read she was already on her way to me. We talk quickly and 58 comes back, a bit confused. Mama-san thinks shit. I do a fake 'I don't know' motion. 78 starts to grind me. In my mind I'm already taking her home. Question is ST or LT. I get to hear 3000ST, 6000 LT, she corrected herself from saying 5000. And saying normally 4-5 hours. I tell I think about her. I start to als question what we're going to do. What can I do with you. She says everything what ever I like. I'm like damn. Mama-san looks at me I nods. She makes a joke you pay me tip I give you her. I tell her, tomorrow you will find out if she was good. She then says you pay 900 and 3000 to her I say. I ask her again and say don't I pay the girl. She says yes. Might have been a miscommunication. Anyway we leave around 0:40.

I had been giving some of the staff and mama-san a drink. And I had 4-5 JD and coke. Eventual bill was 3000 and a bit. We go out walk to my hotel. The conversation goes well. Her English is better that most I've had thus far. She tells me she lived in the UK with her boyfriend. We walk into Soi 8 and I notice she has light giving heels on. Great! I keep a firm face forward. *.

We're in the elevator we kiss DFK Get into the room. She drops her stuff. Starts kissing me again. Which she also did at the bar I forgot to mention. She has pornstar vibes all over her. I pour her a drink she takes a sip moves me ti the bed starts sucking my dick. Proceeds to deepthroat it. I'm like what! Teases. Wants to fuck because I make her horny. Put on CD start fucking slow but built speed up fast. She comes in about 10 min. We takes some drinks again. Talk. She said how she saw be earlier and wanted to come but I was looking away. And then you called the other girl and her heart broke. I told her I saw her yester day but she was busy with another guy. In between this all she's teasing. We're at the desk. She start rubbing her ass with my dick. She says put it in. In looking no condom. She says put it in now, I'm wet in horny. Little head takes control and I'm in her pussy. She says just don't cum in me. I fuck het she fucking wet. We move to the bed. Proceed to pound her for 15 min. She wants to out a finger up my ass I stop and hard on is gone. I saw no, we don't do that. She's sorry. Says put it back in because she needs to cum again. Take her in a few positions. She comes. *.

I ask her about the day before, said I almost wanted to call you but you were busy. She tels me she was taken out twice for ST. Once at 8:30, then at 22:00. These girls are making crazy money if that is an average. *.

We talk about life, love. She says are you going to fuck me all night, I tell her yes. I warned you. She smiles. Then you fuck me in my sleep. I tell her I will. A few more positions get done I don't (want to) cum. She wants me to 😂. I let her sleep. I'm a light sleeper tonight,. She's awake a bit and horny as she grinds my dick. I ask her after a while if she wants it. She says yes and gives me the lube. I tell her we're doing it the natural way. Fingers drop in, she's wet within 2 minutes. I drop in fucker her much hard now. She cums quicker. And no I'm not bragging, she is simply one that can come easily she says. *.

We sleep further. Around 9:30 I start wandering around the room go to the security box. She wakes up says she'll leave. Freshens up. Gets her stuff. We exchange info. I thought I needed to exchange cash but I had enough and give her the 6000. *.

I shower and go to bed I'm satisfied. She wasn't the best looker but I got what I wanted. If I had asked she would have stayed to make sure I came in her mouth. Though price wise I've spend more per woman and evening since I came here. More discipline for Pattaya will be needed.

Day 6 (BKK) - Didn't score to win match.

I head out to PAT stadium to pick up tickets for the match of Port FC vs Buriram United. I actually went because of*suphanat mueanta. The FM 21/22 wonder kid. Stood in line and was drenching in sweat. Picked up 2 pickets as I expected Au to respond to join me. *Used public transit rather than taxi / scooter. With one of the stations closed because of the summit I had to walk a while. Walked to a local market and got to see how things are done. Very humbling seeing whole communities work together.

Headed back to the hotel. I was knackered. Instead of sleeping I wrote my post of the previous day. I still wanted a Nuru massage but was way too lazy to do anything. And I was also still feeling satisfied from lunch.

Match time nears I head out. I didn't know the money exchange was closed so I was forced to use the ATM again instead of exchanging the remaining euro's I had. I planned to do that later as I still had enough left. *.

Traveled with the subway. The station closest to the stadium was open again but since I didn't have my phone with I didn't want to take any risk getting lost. So took the one after that and walked back. Got to the stadium and you could see other tourist still trying to get cards. They didn't do research you need to arrive early. Then what I saw was the most unorganized way of people seating. I sat near the goal a few rows up. I felt Port FC was playing poor. And the ref had a few dodgy decisions. Port FC came behind but it could have been more. They equalized right before the break. Second half was abut more excitement and fire in the second half. And when then Poet conceded a second from their goals scorer. I left shortly after. *.

Thus time I decided to walk to the nearest station and it was really easy. Back at the hotel. Swapped clothes and went outside to get money. Then made the last trek to Nana Plaza. I still wasn't sure what I would be doing but I'd greet everybody from the past few days. Went to Red Dragon. Gave the doormen a drink. Said to mama-san I take it easy. One of the girls that has been trying to go with me for the past 2 times came to me sat down and was aggressive. Gave mama-san a drink. 2 staffers as well But none of the other girls. The young girl from Thursday was smiling. And the other I didn't take as well. I went upstairs to greet the mama-san and one of the waitresses walked with me. Said her friend was upstairs. Get there she is super excited. I buy her a LD. We talk. Say I'm not going to BF her but might ask her to come to Pattaya for a day. Said I wanted to take her to the football match but she didn't respond. She looked focused. *.

Said I was going upstairs to Billboard and then leave. They asked if I was going to BF there. I said no, just drink and leave. *.

I get to Billboard and not as many girls as thy day before. A lot of the lookers aren't there. That means a lot got BF. I was chilling. They left me be and even moved to so I could see the stage better. The lookers came back and number 58. Then 78 came back saw me. Said he come for me. You BF me. I said no, but she tried to seduce me. She wasn't wearing any pants. I'm like what. She sees I'm not responding. I buy her a LD and she goes to switch clothing. She comes back and I get a hard grind like she's trying to safe my life. Eventually gives up. But while grinding another dudes she keep looking at me. So and 58 were making eye contact. After her round she comes down. I buy her a drink. We talk a bit I ask her about her ST because I'd like to fuck her, there I something about her. But she says 1 hour and 1 shot I'm like nah. She asks me if I want to BF 78 I say no. She looked a bit surprised because she's popular. Asked her if she knew her and she said from Baracca at Soi Cowboy. She was the best there. **(Forgot to mention 78 also tried to set me up with one of her friends. #31 was one of them. I asked 78 if she is like her in bed. She says she doesn't know.).

I buy a lady drink for one of the older waitresses and leave. Bin came at 3000. I left feeling satisfied. Like I overcame my greed for taking something out. Walked back to the hotel. Did some research for the next day in Pattaya and went to sleep. Didn't really sleep until 9:00. And I picked up a cough from the damn ACs and this hot weather.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2767911]Were you hoping for a hot young sex goddess masseuse or did you just take whoever they gave you.

I long for the days when I got massaged by young hot SEX goddesses.

Spent literally millions. Of baht that is,. Pre covidity.[/QUOTE]I always found that an old lady with a rubber apron and fingers that looked like big toes did the best in dekinking me.

A good body treatment usually leaves me limp.

There was a place over in the Korea Plaza where I used to get boiled and scrubbed by some thick peasant. That usually caused the turtle effect.

I hate spoiling a good body destruction with sex.

Port plays down at PAT stadium which is basically "behind" the Khlong Toey Market. They have a nice little food alley with great Thai snacks and lots of beer. A ticket on the covered side is $6. The cheap seats are a bit rowdy. The souvenir shop is usually packed, I have some kit myself.

Buriram is even better, their field is new and very "western" and the crowds were huge. Its like a mini NFL up there. VIP ticket was $20 and ya got tasty free food.

When I was staying in Phra Kanong, it was quick ride down there and I went to so many matches I got to know some of the other Thai fans. Lot of them travel so you end up hanging out with them at away matches.

Found me a few "freelancers" there I may add. Good hunting grounds in the early evenings.

Plus the market itself which is an experience in and of itself.

MRT Queen Sirikit is best, MRT Khlong Toei can be a schlep.

I'm back to Bangkok after Covid. Tried to get some Oily Experience but my fav Snow White is gone. I'll see if I can gete Snow White experience from some where else. Any suggestions are welcome.

I headed to Soi Cowboy at around 9:30 pm, the streets were full but not as full as before covid. Saw Crazy House on the way but I have had a bad experience with them in past so just passed on, went straight to Baccara my fav place in Cowboy.

I went to upstairs straight, got a drink and the usual Topless show was ON. The girls will rotate their shifts as usual. Not many stunners I saw.

#171 (Cha):

Nice petite lady, very slim IMO thus thought of trying her. After watching her for a while asked the mamasan to call her up, bought 2 drinks for her. The lady is from Isaan, can't speak much English. Since I could speak Isaan language I had a conversation with her but if you don't speak Thai / Isaan then Google Translate is your best bet. I was almost about to Barfine her for Longtime but after talking to her a while she said she is not well, she has fever & cough. She mentioned she would go with me & sleep. As per mamasan (who is from Isaan too), the girl is new and a bit shy but trust me the girl's attitude was a straight off to me. I didn't find the enthusiasm from her when someone bought you 2 drinks & is about to BF. For example, she would go to the stage, just stand & when I look at her she would take her eyes away from me & look somewhere else. I asked her if she had a boyfriend and the answer was NO.

Eventually I called it off since IMO if a girl isn't interested in you, she won't provide a good service when back with you to your room.

#206 (Aom):

A short lady from Isaan too, I liked her so much but unfortunately she was only available for ST not LT. I wanted LT with her. She has done a nose job but I can tell you she is beautiful. We had a good conversation & she respected my decision of not taking her bcoz I wanted LT and she could not go LT. Bought a drink for her, she was obliged for it. I wish someday she will be ready for LT and I'll take her with me.

If you are looking for ST, I recommend this lady. Her body is well built, nice natural boobs with a cute face. I would say 8/10 just by looks & figure.

I know I haven't mentioned about the damage, I'll summarize it here as general:

In pre-covid period, at Baccara there were no fixed price for ladies. It depends how much you negotiate with the specific lady then pay the BF and off you go. But now it seems they have standardized it to ST - 4000 and LT - 6000 (4 hours). If you keep the lady more than 4 hrs you pay extra to the lady. The extra is up to you and the lady. Now this is good & bad at the same time. Good in the sense that the ladies won't rip you off if they find you a novice and Bad in the sense that they are taking away the negotiation capability from customers like us. Either way the rates are not that bad at all, I won't mind paying ฿6000 for a good looking lady.

Note that you can pay at Baccara using your card but they will charge you 10% extra service charge which included BF & the fee of the lady $6000 too. But yeah I suggest you carry cash & pay the lady when she leaves your place.

I'll leave BKK tomorrow, I'll post another report when I get to BKK next time probably after new year and really try a lady from Baccara. Till then good luck.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2768084]Port plays down at PAT stadium which is basically "behind" the Khlong Toey Market. They have a nice little food alley with great Thai snacks and lots of beer. A ticket on the covered side is $6. The cheap seats are a bit rowdy. The souvenir shop is usually packed, I have some kit myself.

Buriram is even better, their field is new and very "western" and the crowds were huge. Its like a mini NFL up there. VIP ticket was $20 and ya got tasty free food.

When I was staying in Phra Kanong, it was quick ride down there and I went to so many matches I got to know some of the other Thai fans. Lot of them travel so you end up hanging out with them at away matches.

Found me a few "freelancers" there I may add. Good hunting grounds in the early evenings.

Plus the market itself which is an experience in and of itself.

MRT Queen Sirikit is best, MRT Khlong Toei can be a schlep.[/QUOTE]Been a season ticket holder for 11 years. Great fun.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2768116]I'm back to Bangkok after Covid. Tried to get some Oily Experience but my fav Snow White is gone. I'll see if I can gete Snow White experience from some where else. Any suggestions are welcome.

I headed to Soi Cowboy at around 9:30 pm, the streets were full but not as full as before covid. Saw Crazy House on the way but I have had a bad experience with them in past so just passed on, went straight to Baccara my fav place in Cowboy.

I went to upstairs straight, got a drink and the usual Topless show was ON. The girls will rotate their shifts as usual. Not many stunners I saw.

#171 (Cha):.[/QUOTE]My word, I just can't help but gasp at these prices given the quality I've seen in bars post Covid. It's just nuts. Honestly, I'm paying 2 k average for 90 min 2 shots with far better looking gals online. Of course I totally understand that most visitors want to go out to bars and party. Guess the bars have firmly become pretty much tourist only. I do miss the days when Cowboy was the expat hang out. But 23 years in the past when I moved here was a lifetime ago.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2768174]I do miss the days when Cowboy was the expat hang out. But 23 years in the past when I moved here was a lifetime ago.[/QUOTE]Aaah, Yep. Why I skip the bars, too many memories of the mid to late 90's (don't worry, my ears still work and I can hear the "Jesus Gramps" [B]...[/B]). Nana, Voodoo, G-Spot, and what was the name of the ground floor bar diagonal to the Nana entrance, the last bar on the right wall? Had a sister bar next door). Lots of attractive bg's; the "all dance", girls had to be careful of not falling off the stage it was so crowded. The music was decent, OK, maybe a little bit too much disco, but I still have Nanase Aikawa's [I]Bye Bye Boy[/I] on my playlist, loud enough to mask the conversations at the next tables, but not so loud as to mask the conversation at your table with the girl sitting next to you. Most every bg wanted long time, the more (sequentially) the better. And LT was LT, not counted in hours. Pull one night, the next, have her meet you at your hotel, walk down to the bar, pay the bar fine, and have the whole evening to have her show you around the Thai places, THEN the night's [I]entertainment[/I]. Even 12 years ago, Cowboy, Tilac, sit out on the veranda overlooking Cowboy, the evening's entertainment walking past. Then step inside, amazing how the girls without panties could stay [I]hidden[/I] even in their miniskirts. Lady drinks weren't [I]expected[/I], they were earned for being entertaining. For me, the whole dynamic has changed; yes, it was [U]business[/U], but not so [I]transactional[/I]. Well, times change, but I just can't see sitting in a bar, buying lady drink after lady drink, then a bar fine, then her [i]service[/i] charge for a couple of hours, then have her get back to the bar to repeat. For myself, the bars were the [i]means[/i] to an [i]end[/i], NOT the end itself.

[QUOTE=Oneminuteboy;2768072]Day 6 (BKK) - Didn't score to win match.[/QUOTE]Well, a VERY entertaining [b]set[/b] of FR's, reporting on scenes not usually reported on, though I will say some of your [I]adventures[/I] were a bit cringe worthy (trusting a tuk-tuk driver to look out for [U]YOUR[/U] interests? What could go wrong there?) For me, that's always a "My Pie" (I don't go). But certainly makes a nice set of [I]war stories[/I], so thanks.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767868]Got up bright and early and headed of to Chatuchak Weekend Market. Wow, that place is amazing and next level shopping! Spent 3. 5 hours there and some money and still didn't manage to cover a fifth of the place!! My legs were shot and my back was aching so I called it a day and headed back. This challenge isn't done as I still have one more weekend in BKK.[/QUOTE]I hit Chatuchak at least once every visit. While the BTS drops you close at Mo Chit, for me, better to take the MRT (I change from BTS to MRT at Asoke). As I've said, DON'T get off at Chatuchak [B]PARK[/B], use the NEXT stop (if coming from Asoke), [B]Kamphaeng Phet[/B]. Using this stop, exit #2, you are right at the EDGE of the market, and, for me anyway, the most interesting sections (26, 25, antiques, handicrafts, silk).

I've shopped at Little Wings House, Section 25, 3/2, "room" 217-219 (corner), for over a decade. They sell mounted insects (butterflies, beetles, etc), along with beetles in acrylic (keychains). Good place for some unique souvenirs.

BagBerry, Section 10, 20/3, "room" 076-078, has some nice PVC bags, place mats, etc. Picked up some nice purses for female relatives 3 years ago, said hello, this year.

Other souvenirs I've bought are: molded soap in shape of various fruits (mangosteen, coconuts, mango, papaya, etc) with associated scents, 4 for 100 baht (don't even bother to bargain); facial tissue boxes with silk tops (they are flat to conserve space in the shop and your bag, but expand out to a 3D rectangle to fit the kleenix box); and place mats (bamboo, wood, PVC). I just wander around in sections 8-10.

At least in Nov 2022, there was an NPB (No Problem) T shirt outlet at Section 12, 21/4, corner. There used to be a shop in MBK but didn't get there this year.

A real loss is Viva 26 that was in Section 26, now just space; was a great bar, place to grab a cool drink or two while in the market. Another institution gone.

I do stay AWAY from the live animals section.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2767971]Day 4.

The 2 HR session itself cost 4000 B. Was it worth it? For a first timer like me, I'd say yes. However, I'm also withholding judgement until I try what Spring Spa & Massage has to offer. I only found out about it when I had my Thai Massage session there. I doubt they'll offer extras but I just need to compare the experiences.[/QUOTE]NICELY reported, a venue that I'm sure will interest some. For me, it's like bargaining in general: you set the price that whatever is worth to you. If you can get it for that price, fine. If not, move on. And a one of, or infrequent repeat? Regardless, now YOU (and we) KNOW. Well done.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2767861]One thing you should consider is how you prefer to spend your time when you're AREN'T being a naughty boy. Are you a foodie? A shopper? A museum goer? Wanting to see temples and other cultural sites? Then you'll probably want to tilt toward Bangkok. Or do you prefer to spend your down time with a cold drink close at hand while watching the world pass by in a tiny little bar off the beaten path? Maybe watching the waves roll ashore while lounging in a comfortable beach chair under an umbrella? Or perhaps day drinking with your mates (new or old) in a beer bar or gentleman's club? In that case, Pattaya will probably appeal.

I live in a big city and enjoy the intense vibe very much. But on holiday I prefer to chill out. Pattaya's laid back beach vibe appeals to me, so I always start my holiday there. Wandering around town in my shorts and whiling away the hours doing whatever strikes my fancy just lowers my blood pressure. That said, I eventually get bored. So I transfer my flag to Bangkok at the end of my trip. My personal preference runs toward waifish girls who have not spoiled their looks with cosmetic surgery and/or tattoos, and I find more of those girls in Bangkok. I also enjoy shopping for electronic stuff and always find time to go that in the big malls. Finally, my flight home is a long one and it's nice to be closer to the airport when the time comes to leave.

Bunky[/QUOTE]Very well put. There are other things to do here, depending on your interests. Myself, I'm the opposite, like the big city even if I'm from one, don't care for the beach (two choices, white or RED), do like the mountains.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2768226]Well, a VERY entertaining [b]set[/b] of FR's, reporting on scenes not usually reported on, though I will say some of your [I]adventures[/I] were a bit cringe worthy (trusting a tuk-tuk driver to look out for [U]YOUR[/U] interests? What could go wrong there?) For me, that's always a "My Pie" (I don't go). But certainly makes a nice set of [I]war stories[/I], so thanks.[/QUOTE]It only took one moment of weakness. Even though I stood firm all the days he tried to get me to go with him.

I always prefer to do things my way, rather than how everybody else does it. And that is where I got a lot of joy out.

A poster down below at this number in subject line discussed his night out on Suk. Quite an adventure, I must say.

He also mentioned visiting Lusty Lady off Soi 11. I have not been in Bangkok since this bar opened and will be coming to Bangkok for the winter arriving around NYE so what I mention here is word of mouth info. I will also be staying nearby so was pleased to see a report on this bar / club.

I was amused to find that the ladyboy owner approached him to buy a drink there. From what I understand, this Ladyboy owner is older and owns a LB bar on an alleyway behind Soi 10, not Soi 8, as he mentioned. There is a very attractive younger GG there who is also a part owner (from what I have been told) but is not available for take out. Perhaps, has a BF but not sure. I also understand that the GG's there are not all that great looking. And at those prices quoted, it confirms that I will not be finding GG's there. He mentioned the gal quoted him 3 k short time but did not mention the BF on top of that. Too rich for my blood! I read it's a nice looking bar from what I have been told but don't get the philosophy of buying drinks for girls who may or may not available and who want $3 k for ST. Perhaps, that negotiable, it usually is but still there is a BF plus buying drinks for whoever sees a random sucker.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2768174]My word, I just can't help but gasp at these prices given the quality I've seen in bars post Covid. It's just nuts. Honestly, I'm paying 2 k average for 90 min 2 shots with far better looking gals online. Of course I totally understand that most visitors want to go out to bars and party. Guess the bars have firmly become pretty much tourist only. I do miss the days when Cowboy was the expat hang out. But 23 years in the past when I moved here was a lifetime ago.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. 2,000 baht in bkk easy on TF and 1,500 baht in Pattaya. The prices mongers are paying at bars is insane.

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High Season. Haha. Nana the last 2 days look like they just opened after Corona. Dreadfully Dreadful.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2768435]4,000 for a Fat provider is getting a bit out of line. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Is that all you have to offer? Snarky comments and NO helpful advice? Must make you feel very superior putting posters down.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2768435]4,000 for a Fat provider is getting a bit out of line. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Price per Lb or kilo works out cheaper.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2768435]4,000 for a Fat provider is getting a bit out of line. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Prices are getting out of touch in Bkk.

I've spent a few evenings in the Jungle bar in Nana, opposite to Hooters. A lot of LBs trying their luck there (in the street, in front of the bar), many of them negotiated just in front of me.

Price asked was 1500 and they were not even the best looking ones. Crazy thing is they were being picked up by many guys.

The gap between Pattaya and Bkk is getting huge, next time I'm quite sure I'll spend less time Bkk.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2768434]I'm with you. 2,000 baht in bkk easy on TF and 1,500 baht in Pattaya. The prices mongers are paying at bars is insane.[/QUOTE]In Pattaya, average price I paid in bars was around 1800 including one drink for me, one or two for her, price of the room, and her fee, for two hours of fun in total (1 downstairs and 1 hour upstairs).

How is it better to pay 1500 for a girl that never looks like her pics, is always ten pounds heavier and most of the time older than her profile states. I'm not even talking about the body odors she let on your bed sheets, her stinky cheap perfume that stays forever in your room, and her hairs displayed everywhere in the bathroom and on the bed.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2768435]4,000 for a Fat provider is getting a bit out of line. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]What's the problem? [B]TwilightZoner[/B] was looking for a SPECIFIC [I]experience[/I], [I]real[/I] by HIS definition, and one that with his definition, not often reported on. He searched for it, found it, experienced it. Paid for the massage, and when offered [I]extras[/I], opted in as, no doubt, he wanted to experience the FULL package. For some [I]experiences[/I], IMHO, it [B]IS[/B] worth the price. Now he [B]KNOWS[/B], and thanks to his ROD-quality FR, now WE ALL do. Not something you might be interested in, not something that I might be interested in, but now there's an ACTUAL FR for those that are thanks to his paying the [I]dues[/I]. And YOUR takeaway is [I]fat[/I]? Regardless of [B]TwilightZoner[/B]'s ISG status, he's varsity.

Now [I]others[/I] remind me of that 2nd string junior varsity player who'll never make varsity, never gets in the game. So to make himself look big on campus (at least in his own mind), he has to denigrate any and all, making snarky comments ("1000 baht girls", "275 pounds", "little black girl successful on soi 6 not rainbow", etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam. Some "like to challenge" but provide no useful info. That Rainbow 5 is packed is NOT really news, unless there were some details: bar fine price, her asking price, her agreed to price, LT / ST, etc, USEFUL info). (Yea, that search engine is a real b*tch, so easy to detect BS).

Does it seem to others that Timmie and Alex A are twins? Hahaha.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2767661]You might as well Forget chemistry. That happens over multiple sessions over months.[/QUOTE]No doubt YOUR experience, tolerance does take time to build. Myself, with current fav: 3 weeks, 1 visit each week. 3 years later, like it was simply the 4th week. Of course, rather than gawk, I talk with them.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2756199]Ok, fellas. This is going to be long one, a very long series of reports because I need to do this trip justice.[/QUOTE]A shout-out to [B]NewtonYork[/B], BIG thanks for your FR's. Couple of new places, a real gem found.

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Day 4 Continued.

After smashing out the previous post, I headed out again to continue completing my shopping list. Headed to Platinum Mall. Originally, I had planned to go to the Pratunam Shopping District but after the morning session. Maybe next time. Rather than walk through every floor of the mall, I went directly to the 4th floor where the men's clothes were. It still took me a while and effort to find what I liked. It's definitely pricier than Chatuchak but the quality's good and they had what I wanted.

Feeling peckish, I headed to the food stalls outside and feasted! Ah. Food. One of the main reasons coming here!

Day 5.

Designated no sex day. I had things to do, stuff to buy and food to eat. I quickly packed all my clothes purchases off to the laundry and made a beeline to MBK. Got myself a suitcase, bought a few more souvenirs and had my first fitting for my bespoke tailored suit. Zipped back to the hotel with all my goodies and dumped them on the bed and off I went again. This time to Jodds Fair. Oh Lord! The variety of food there is insane and there's only so much space in my stomach. I found out a while back that after a certain age, my stomach cannot stretch anymore. So rather than have one sit-down meal, I walked around having tidbits and nibbles on skewers. Missed out on so much.

Day 6.

The original plan was to do the touristy thing and check out the temples and Grand Palace but on a whim, I went onto the Sideline Thailand website and took a gamble. It wasn't long when I got a reply. After setting up the appointment, I headed off to the designated location. While I can't say that this session was a total success, it wasn't a total failure as well. The young lady that greeted me at the door was definitely not the young lady on the photo but I kinda expected it. She was definitely pretty. Until she disrobed. Oh. My. Lord. Her figure was stunning. She had the MOST magnificent pair of breasts AND they were NATURAL. No silicone. Soft, bouncy, malleable, squishy. Big, dark, delicious nipples mmmmmmm. While the sex was enjoyable and fun, I can't say that it was memorable (other than her boobs). The primary purpose was to see if Day 4's healing efforts paid off. Yup, full blown erection, hard as a rock, stiff as a post. Downside was, maybe because of my age and fitness level, I have degenerated into a one-shot wonder. Gone are the days of multiple orgasms. Will chalk this day as a good experience anyway.

Why'all have a good day!

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2768574]Feeling peckish, I headed to the food stalls outside and feasted! Ah. Food. One of the main reasons coming here![/QUOTE]Yep, so much variety. I was always fond of the guava with a sugar packet, or the fresh squeezed orange juice. On leaving Nana, I'd always pick up 10 skewers of meat + chillis, extra if [I]she[/I] wanted something or would pop for some grasshoppers for HER before heading back to the hotel. For ME, one of the best deals going, as I've mentioned before, is Foodland's Took Lae Dee restaurant. Western food if you're of a mind, or very decent Thai (agreed to by Thai civilian friends). And it might be lime squash, but their nam-a-now soda (soda water) is just the thing to quench your thirst, 44 baht a glass. I stopped by Soi 5's Foodland last week, just for old times sake. That place hasn't changed in 29 years. Though before, it was always crowded regardless of the time. This time, 18:00, 4 customers at the counter, including myself. Maybe they got an F from the health inspectors and don't have to post, or maybe now, everyone goes "upmarket" for food, but for me, it's a given, an institution.

The trouble with pulling a bg for ST is she wants to get the job done to be able to return to the bar for the [I]double header[/I], pun intended. When LT was LT, and you could pull early, e. G. 21:00, you could have her take you around for food and fun. Or the next night, just have her meet you at the hotel, go together to pay bar, then go around.

Took the liberty of adding your JabKasai traditional Thai genital massage post to the ROD's. Might not be everyone's thing, but certainly a number will find it useful as it was an [i]actionable intel[/i] FR. Well done, as usual.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2768534]I'm not even talking about the body odors she let on your bed sheets, her stinky cheap perfume that stays forever in your room, and her hairs displayed everywhere in the bathroom and on the bed.[/QUOTE]Well, the first two I haven't experienced, the Thais being very clean, but the last [S]...[/S] One thing if you're in a hotel with maid service. But if you're a resident, and have to DNA sweep before [I]from home[/I] visitors [S]...[/S] THAT IS a PITA.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2768705]

When LT was LT, and you could pull early, e. G. 21:00, you could have her take you around for food and fun. Or the next night, just have her meet you at the hotel, go together to pay bar, then go around.[/QUOTE]You can still do this if you want. Many go-go girls will go eat with you or bar hopping or both if that's what you want to do. Especially if you're paying for long time. I've barfined recently and took a girl bar hopping before we went back to my condo and I didn't even have to pay for long time. She left soon after sex. I did pay the LT barfine rate so she could decide if she wanted to return to the bar or go home after I cut her loose. I only paid her short time rate.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2768705]For ME, one of the best deals going, as I've mentioned before, is Foodland's Took Lae Dee restaurant. Western food if you're of a mind, or very decent Thai (agreed to by Thai civilian friends). And it might be lime squash, but their nam-a-now soda (soda water) is just the thing to quench your thirst, 44 baht a glass. I stopped by Soi 5's Foodland last week, just for old times sake. That place hasn't changed in 29 years. Though before, it was always crowded regardless of the time. This time, 18:00, 4 customers at the counter, including myself. Maybe they got an F from the health inspectors and don't have to post, or maybe now, everyone goes "upmarket" for food, but for me, it's a given, an institution.[/QUOTE]Even the workers in that place hasn't changed, at least in the last 5 years.

The place is clean, food is good and never had problems the next days after eating there.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2768075]There was a place over in the Korea Plaza where I used to get boiled and scrubbed by some thick peasant. That usually caused the turtle effect.

I hate spoiling a good body destruction with sex.[/QUOTE]I used to frequent that place too and was disappointed to see it doesn't exist anymore.

Couldn't find a replacement, do you know of other places like that?

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2768705]Yep, so much variety. I was always fond of the guava with a sugar packet, or the fresh squeezed orange juice. On leaving Nana, I'd always pick up 10 skewers of meat + chillis, extra if [I]she[/I] wanted something or would pop for some grasshoppers for HER before heading back to the hotel. For ME, one of the best deals going, as I've mentioned before, is Foodland's Took Lae Dee restaurant. Western food if you're of a mind, or very decent Thai (agreed to by Thai civilian friends). And it might be lime squash, but their nam-a-now soda (soda water) is just the thing to quench your thirst, 44 baht a glass. I stopped by Soi 5's Foodland last week, just for old times sake. That place hasn't changed in 29 years. Though before, it was always crowded regardless of the time. This time, 18:00, 4 customers at the counter, including myself. Maybe they got an F from the health inspectors and don't have to post, or maybe now, everyone goes "upmarket" for food, but for me, it's a given, an institution.

Took the liberty of adding your JabKasai traditional Thai genital massage post to the ROD's. Might not be everyone's thing, but certainly a number will find it useful as it was an [i]actionable intel[/i] FR. Well done, as usual.[/QUOTE]I like the pomegranate juice drinks sold on the roadside. That stuff is sooooooo refreshing!! Been plowing into the mangoes, pineapples and watermelons as well!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2766609]if the Hyatt Regency is girl friendly?[/QUOTE]I stayed there a few times. They are girl friendly, In fact, you can bring girl directly upstairs without checking ID. They will check if you bring girl to them. You can also bypass reception at Park Hyatt as well.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2768729]You can still do this if you want. Many go-go girls will go eat with you or bar hopping or both if that's what you want to do. Especially if you're paying for long time. I've barfined recently and took a girl bar hopping before we went back to my condo and I didn't even have to pay for long time. She left soon after sex. I did pay the LT barfine rate so she could decide if she wanted to return to the bar or go home after I cut her loose. I only paid her short time rate.[/QUOTE]Interesting, thanks for the info. Nice move on your part.

BG's like to bar hop. Gives them a chance to 1) check out the competition, and 2) look for other places of employment, all under the cover of keeping you company. And, back in "the day", when Patpong had upstairs bars that were [I]dubious[/I], a bg from Nana or Cowboy would keep you from getting ripped off as she wanted your wallet for herself (personal experience).

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2768800]Interesting, thanks for the info. Nice move on your part.

BG's like to bar hop. Gives them a chance to 1) check out the competition, and 2) look for other places of employment, all under the cover of keeping you company. And, back in "the day", when Patpong had upstairs bars that were [I]dubious[/I], a bg from Nana or Cowboy would keep you from getting ripped off as she wanted your wallet for herself (personal experience).[/QUOTE]Yes and they also like to go to bars where they used to work and still have many friends working there. It can be a real party if you don't mind spending a little money or in my case spending a lot of money. 555.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2768574]Day 4 Continued.

After smashing out the previous post, I headed out again to continue completing my shopping list. Headed to Platinum Mall. Originally, I had planned to go to the Pratunam Shopping District but after the morning session. Maybe next time. Rather than walk through every floor of the mall, I went directly to the 4th floor where the men's clothes were. It still took me a while and effort to find what I liked. It's definitely pricier than Chatuchak but the quality's good and they had what I wanted.

Feeling peckish, I headed to the food stalls outside and feasted! Ah. Food. One of the main reasons coming here![/QUOTE]Very informative report. I was wondering if worthwhile to learn how SIDELINE operates with LINE for a short trip of 5 nights. The girls look Lucious although pictures are sure to be Photoshopped, and Prices are very good.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2768803]Yes and they also like to go to bars where they used to work and still have many friends working there. It can be a real party if you don't mind spending a little money or in my case spending a lot of money. 555.[/QUOTE]You should absolutely do what works for you, but in the long run over many, many girls this strategy is not optimal. So, I suggest that once you have left the Go Go with your girl, it makes no difference if your arrangement is ST or LT, take her back to your place and straight away get it on. After you have enjoyed the sex is the best time to go out for dinner or barhop with your girl if you and she still want to. Why? Because:

1. I don't know about you, but I shag better on an empty stomach. The sex is always better before a meal.

2. You never know what can happen when you delay sexual gratification and barhop first. The girl can drink too much and that can really screw up your plans for the evening or her attitude can change.

Therefor my advice is strike while the feeling is right. Have sex first and party or dine afterwards. And if the girl wants to run back to her Go Go, so be it. It is her loss, not yours. Grab something to eat, relax, and go out and look for another girl. This is one of the things I love about BKK. Looking for that 2nd girl of the evening after the 1st girl has left.

[QUOTE=TwilightZoner;2768782]I like the pomegranate juice drinks sold on the roadside. That stuff is sooooooo refreshing!! Been plowing into the mangoes, pineapples and watermelons as well![/QUOTE]Hint: Its probably not the real thing if you buy it in the tourist district.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2768773]I used to frequent that place too and was disappointed to see it doesn't exist anymore.

Couldn't find a replacement, do you know of other places like that?[/QUOTE]Dang it! I hit the ground ion January and that was one of the first places I was headed to!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2768771]Even the workers in that place hasn't changed, at least in the last 5 years.

The place is clean, food is good and never had problems the next days after eating there.[/QUOTE]I'm probably the only guy here who avoids Foodland. To me, its overpriced meh.

On Fridays, I used to do down to the place across from the Grace. The Bamboo- Fabulous plov.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2768824]You should absolutely do what works for you, but in the long run over many, many girls this strategy is not optimal. So, I suggest that once you have left the Go Go with your girl, it makes no difference if your arrangement is ST or LT, take her back to your place and straight away get it on. After you have enjoyed the sex is the best time to go out for dinner or barhop with your girl if you and she still want to. Why? Because:

1. I don't know about you, but I shag better on an empty stomach. The sex is always better before a meal.

2. You never know what can happen when you delay sexual gratification and barhop first. The girl can drink too much and that can really screw up your plans for the evening or her attitude can change.

Therefor my advice is strike while the feeling is right. Have sex first and party or dine afterwards. And if the girl wants to run back to her Go Go, so be it. It is her loss, not yours. Grab something to eat, relax, and go out and look for another girl. This is one of the things I love about BKK. Looking for that 2nd girl of the evening after the 1st girl has left.[/QUOTE]You give excellent advise for visitors however I live here so this advice is useless for me. I know exactly how to have a great time here everday. I was just letting Bravo11 know that he can still have a good time as in the past if that's what he wants to do.