[QUOTE=Retired Army]Are you talking about Ranong down south by the Burma border or Rayong which is close to Pattaya?[/QUOTE]
Assume we spelled it correctly.
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[QUOTE=Retired Army]Are you talking about Ranong down south by the Burma border or Rayong which is close to Pattaya?[/QUOTE]
Assume we spelled it correctly.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Ranong probably has lots of very low class P4P girls, possibly including sex slave types, for lower class Thai men who don't use condoms.[/QUOTE]
Every illegal alien type brothel I have visited (and I have visited many in this 300-600 baht range) has had very strict condom-usage policies, just like all Thai-oriented establishments. I think it is a great misconception that lower-class Thais, or Thais in general, are less likely to use condoms than foreign sex-tourists.
One factor to keep in mind is that while few of us superannuated farangs can even get it up (much less attain orgasm) with a condom applied, most Thais are extremely potent - like an American teenager - so a condom is at most a minor inconvenience for them.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Every illegal alien type brothel I have visited (and I have visited many in this 300-600 baht range) has had very strict condom-usage policies, just like all Thai-oriented establishments. I think it is a great misconception that lower-class Thais, or Thais in general, are less likely to use condoms than foreign sex-tourists.
One factor to keep in mind is that while few of us superannuated farangs can even get it up (much less attain orgasm) with a condom applied, most Thais are extremely potent - like an American teenager - so a condom is at most a minor inconvenience for them.[/QUOTE]I agree: safe sex is more common among Thais than we should expect.
Still I do not understand what a farang can find in a low-class thai-only-oriented brothel.
Italy 1974
[QUOTE=Opebo]Every illegal alien type brothel I have visited (and I have visited many in this 300-600 baht range) has had very strict condom-usage policies, just like all Thai-oriented establishments. I think it is a great misconception that lower-class Thais, or Thais in general, are less likely to use condoms than foreign sex-tourists.
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I don't believe there is any misconception once we count guys like yourself out of the equation.
Aids is far more prevalent in the Thai community, especially lower classes.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I don't believe there is any misconception once we count guys like yourself out of the equation.
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Talk to the girls, you'll hear that 'most' farangs don't want a condom. Certainly the elderly and decrepit chaps who come and take girls 'long time' are in general not wearing them. Most of these gents are so tickled to get a younger attractive woman they're not the least bit concerned about risk (a realistic attitude for anyone who is old already).
By contrast the Thais absolutely despise prostitutes due to the girls' lower class origins and loss of status. They are in a sense socially predisposed to think of the girls as 'dirty', and thus are quite committed to condom use - more out of prejudice than reason.
I've always noticed that when in Thai oriented joints it is very, very difficult to persuade girls to go bareback, while when dealing with girls who are used to farang, about half the time they hop on bare without even being asked. It simply what they're used to.
[QUOTE=Italy 1974]Still I do not understand what a farang can find in a low-class thai-only-oriented brothel.[/QUOTE]
Affordable sex, obviously, '74. I will admit that service is abominable in such places, of course.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Talk to the girls, you'll hear that 'most' farangs don't want a condom. Certainly the elderly and decrepit chaps who come and take girls 'long time' are in general not wearing them. Most of these gents are so tickled to get a younger attractive woman they're not the least bit concerned about risk (a realistic attitude for anyone who is old already).
By contrast the Thais absolutely despise prostitutes due to the girls' lower class origins and loss of status. They are in a sense socially predisposed to think of the girls as 'dirty', and thus are quite committed to condom use - more out of prejudice than reason.
I've always noticed that when in Thai oriented joints it is very, very difficult to persuade girls to go bareback, while when dealing with girls who are used to farang, about half the time they hop on bare without even being asked. It simply what they're used to.
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Well I must bow to your superior knowledge of low class brothels. Have you been to any where girls are virtually sex slaves, i.e. not allowed to leave.
My understanding is that when Thai men go with casual Thai girls, condoms are not commonly used. In MPs Thai men may not ask for no condom if they know they will normally be refused. Talking to girls, I do not get the impression that most Farangs don't want to use one. We are not all crazy or on death's door already.
Here are articles talking about sex slaves in Ranong.
[url]http://www.popline.org/docs/1008/074827.html[/url]
[url]http://www.un.org/events/10thcongress/2098.htm[/url]
[quote=mick licker] have you been to any where girls are virtually sex slaves, i.e. not allowed to leave. [/quote]
according to this girl everyone in bkk is a sex slave.
[url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=26296[/url]
thought the part about comparing sex slaves to elephants was hysterical. ummmmm, yeaaa, elephants. okeay.
on a different note or tone, my personal thought is i would like to take out any f'in pimps and mamas that con these girls into coercion and forced servitude. sexual trafficking includes coercing a migrant into a sexual act as a condition of allowing or arranging the migration. sexual trafficking uses physical coercion, deception and bondage incurred through forced debt.
trafficked women are often promised work in the domestic or service industry, but instead are usually taken to brothels where their passports and other identification papers are confirep001ed. they may be beaten or locked up and promised their freedom only after earning – through prostitution – their purchase price, as well as their travel and visa costs. happens in korea and japan all the time.
i do not, however, have a problem with any fl or bg or "student" who works due to the economy. they have a choice whom they go with and when.
my two baht.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well I must bow to your superior knowledge of low class brothels. Have you been to any where girls are virtually sex slaves, i.e. not allowed to leave.[/quote]
No, of course not - such things do not exist. They are a myth propagated by the forces of social control. Naturally illegal aliens cannot go wandering around the city; however this stricture is imposed by the usual source - the government, and not by any 'sexual slaver'.
Again, keep in mind that tales of that sort are just propaganda used by the do-gooders to whip up the normals against we sexual freedom-fighters. If you think about it, the idea of 'sexual slavery' is nonsensical - why would any businessman go to all the trouble of 'slaving' when he has lots of eager applicants for the relatively well-paid position of prostitute.
Prudes believe that having sex is the worst thing that can happen to any woman, and that no woman would voluntarily submit to the atrocious miseries of sexual intercourse for a mere three or four times what she would earn in a non-sexual job. No, to the prude the only reasonable payment for the woman submitting to the horrible imposition of a penis is the complete abnegation of the male.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]My understanding is that when Thai men go with casual Thai girls, condoms are not commonly used. In MPs Thai men may not ask for no condom if they know they will normally be refused.[/QUOTE]
Well obviously no one uses condoms with ordinary pick-ups or casual affairs, Mick, anywhere in the world. Do they?
[QUOTE=Opebo]Well obviously no one uses condoms with ordinary pick-ups or casual affairs, Mick, anywhere in the world. Do they?[/QUOTE]
I do, but maybe I'm stupid.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Well obviously no one uses condoms with ordinary pick-ups or casual affairs, Mick, anywhere in the world. Do they?[/QUOTE]
FWIW... I've noticed a recent trend that if you stay with a girl for a while she is willing to not use condoms. And unfortunately by that I mean if you pull a girl for two days straight the girls seem to figure its OK to go without a condom.
And from what the girls tell me the customers ask if they get tested and if their blood is clean and if the girl says yes then most of them do not think they have to use a condom. "Joe the Monger" from Des Moines is in BKK for a conference and before you know it he is on his second shot of the night and he leaves his rain coat on the night stand thinking the girl looks so healthy she can't have disease.
From my experiences in the past it would take a while being with a girl for her to think about going without a condom. But currently there seems to be a large increase in both customers and working girls who think on the second or third day knowing them that it is safe to go without a condom.
And I'll admit with three girls in the last three years I've gone without a condom and I worried and still worry about this. Just hope I don't turn into a statistic some day....
[QUOTE=Opebo]No, of course not - such things do not exist. They are a myth propagated by the forces of social control. Naturally illegal aliens cannot go wandering around the city; however this stricture is imposed by the usual source - the government, and not by any 'sexual slaver'.
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Nothing exists if you put the blinkers on.
I have seem documentaries including interviews with the girls which I do not believe were totally staged.
In my own country I have actually met the girls whose passports were taken away and were not allowed to go out unsupervised by the "slavers".
Some of the those guys got imprisoned for tax evasion in the end as laws were inadequate to deal with their true crimes.
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And I'll admit with three girls in the last three years I've gone without a condom and I worried and still worry about this. Just hope I don't turn into a statistic some day....[/QUOTE]
Sometime guys doing this will get unlucky someday. Its not just HIV either. If you have a GF or wife, you really don't want to be giving her Chlamydia either. Its very easily caught and doesn't do wonders for the relationship.
This is why anti-biotic self dosing becomes an important ocassional option.
My ex-GF was sensible enough to get us both tested for HIV and other stuff first.
Once she started to think I was playing up, the condoms were required again. I always used condoms while playing up but she couldn't be sure. Of course I couldn't be 100% sure about her either, but expected she would use condoms if playing up.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Sometime guys doing this will get unlucky someday. Its not just HIV either. If you have a GF or wife, you really don't want to be giving her Chlamydia either. Its very easily caught and doesn't do wonders for the relationship.
This is why anti-biotic self dosing becomes an important ocassional option.
My ex-GF was sensible enough to get us both tested for HIV and other stuff first.
Once she started to think I was playing up, the condoms were required again. I always used condoms while playing up but she couldn't be sure. Of course I couldn't be 100% sure about her either, but expected she would use condoms if playing up.[/QUOTE]
Yup. of course the TGF and I had our tests done and I usually go on an antibiotic and do some washes as well, not only for chlamydia but normal sicknesses as well. Don't want to waste half my time being sick.
And luckily most of these three were before the current MRS...
ML, you are credulous. You will believe women? And particularly when they are being interviewed by religious do-gooders? "The buffalo died and the mean man took my passport, and they made me suck dick! I thought I was going to make 60,000 baht a month as a waitress..."
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This is why anti-biotic self dosing becomes an important ocassional option.
My ex-GF was sensible enough to get us both tested for HIV and other stuff first.
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Anyone in the medical community care to comment on self dosing with antibotics? The Thai medical community seems to have a different protocol than the West.