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Entry would be banned to anyone who was intent on 'subversion' upon arriving in China, those with mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases and [b]people who wished to engage in prostitution[/b], the rules read.
'Foreigners must respect Chinese laws while in China and must not harm China's national security or damage social order,' the rules say.
[url]http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Asia/STIStory_243596.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Wadman]Hmm... using this logic you (and the rest of us) should stay out of CP, CA, Shenzhen, and everywhere else for mongering. Because officially, prostitution is illegal in China. But we all still go. Why? Because we deem the risk acceptable.[/QUOTE]
Yes, prostitution is technically illegal in China. The risk is acceptable because it is allowed.
If it were not illegal, LE would not be able to extort money, I mean get red envelopes, from houses of ill repute quite so easily. In fact because it is technically illegal, LE earn much more protection money from it.
Because there is so much money made off of it, LE and government turn a blind eye, which makes the risk acceptable.
MAB
While studying at a Shenzhen institution, the person responsible for visas kept reminding us that you can only use an L or F visa for the first 6 months. After 6 months, you must apply for a study visa (through the school, i.e. through him). He used pretty much the exact same words: "Foreigners must repsect Chinese laws...".
A 12 month study visa is 600 rmb, 400 rmb for 6 months. He encouraged students to get a 12 month one. The 12 month visa turns out to be 11 months only. Turns out that he pays 400 rmb for ANY study visa less than 1 year. And yup, pockets the rest of the money.
So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.
[QUOTE=Mike Dg]Entry would be banned to anyone who was intent on 'subversion' upon arriving in China, those with mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases and [b]people who wished to engage in prostitution[/b], the rules read.
'Foreigners must respect Chinese laws while in China and must not harm China's national security or damage social order,' the rules say.
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[QUOTE=Wadman]
So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.[/QUOTE]
I tried this logic on the New Jersey Turnpike:
"Officer, I'm a foreigner, and those Americans did at least 85 as well."
Didn't sit too well with the trooper.
[QUOTE=Wadman]So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.[/QUOTE]I find it more of a problem when Chinese people refuse to help you to respect Chinese laws to later convince foreigners they should. Or other Chinese for that matter.
"Register at a friends place within 24 hours" sounds all fine and dandy ... until the building administration can't manage to hand your friend that whatever-paper the police asked for because they "never heard about it before". And guess what? When I told the police about the building administration being totally unaware of anything I was told "whatever, you tell them from us and deal with it ... yeah, just do it tomorrow."
And there went your "register withing 24 hours" rule. This is just one of many examples where LE was bending the rules in my favour because "obey Chinese Laws" quite often still remains a rather shifty, ambigous and regularly only theoretical concept.
In my experience making an effort, showing patience, speaking Chinese and (most important) being polite helps a lot. YMMV but I did not get my film ruined when LE suspected I took a picture of an arrest on Tiananmen Square neither did I pay a fine for overstaying my visa some years ago just by following these basic procedures.
Meanwhile some Arab got yelled out of the Immigration Office near YongHeGong for mouthing off and complaining how things are run here. I don't know what his exact problem was, but one of them might have been he was a drama queen with entitlement issues. Either that or I just don't get Arab culture.
Hi,
Can anyone advice on what is the penalty of Overstay in China? Now because of all the visa probs.
Say is a person entered on a 30 day single on the 20th of May, can he stay untill the 19th June or technically 18th June only?
If a person overstays for just 1 day, due to flight unavailibility etc whats the penalty? Godfather2
This is a good video blog of an expat living in Shanghai. He talks about the VISA issues and many other issues related to foreigners living in China and how the Olympic is changing everything.
[url]http://current.com/people/aricsqueen[/url]
[QUOTE=Zhuren]I tried this logic on the New Jersey Turnpike:
"Officer, I'm a foreigner, and those Americans did at least 85 as well."
Didn't sit too well with the trooper.[/QUOTE]
Zhuren
Most intelligent post I've read re this subject ;)
Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".
[QUOTE=Godfather2]Hi,
Can anyone advice on what is the penalty of Overstay in China? Now because of all the visa probs.
Say is a person entered on a 30 day single on the 20th of May, can he stay untill the 19th June or technically 18th June only?
If a person overstays for just 1 day, due to flight unavailibility etc whats the penalty? Godfather2[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wadman]Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".[/QUOTE]Be carefull some valid until refer to the last day of entry, but it says clearly. Wadman is right on the olympics, what about checking with local police?
Police did not allow to get out of the country a person with an overstayed Visa in Baiyun Airport. He lost of course the plane and had to leave he country through the border with HK paying a fine. I do not know how much.
Becareful with Visas.
The information about expired visas and the penalties is correct.
Unofficially, there are a few days grace given after the actual visa expires. 2 years ago I had this problem, I was taken to a special office at the LOWU border, where an immigration official told me to respect China’s laws, gave me a document to sign and then released me.
Police
As for registering with the police, this is all a sham. I went to 5 police stations in my city a few weeks ago, nobody knew what I was talking about. So I decided to let it go and move on. My current visa expires on June 15th.
China is really disorganized!!!
[QUOTE=Wadman]Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".[/QUOTE]All my China visas have an "issue date" and an "enter before" date. Then there is a specified "duration of each stay". I conclude that I can remain in China until the "duration" number of days after the "enter before" date, not just until the "valid until" date, whatever that means!
[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]China is really disorganized!!![/QUOTE]You probably meant "flexible" ;)
I wasn't sure which thread to ask this in, but I've been reading the reports here saying you've met some women on CFF but can I really trust the *FF sites with my credit card?
I've been Google'ing them and there's been a lot of reports saying they'll auto-renewing your subscription even after cancellation as well as sell your email address to spam/junk mail. And it doesn't look like they have Paypal either.