Jakarta

[QUOTE=Canyon; 1536280]I don't think there are enough of us on this board to influence pricing in Jakarta, since it's a huge market. The market controls pricing; we don't, so all the admonitions to bargain and keep down the price are probably useless. You can't really blame the girls. They're right to get the best deal for themselves as they can. If their prices are too high, no one will buy their services and they will have to lower their prices. The same thing applies to us. If we aren't willing to pay the going rate, no one will go with us. It's pointless to complain. The market is the market, and you better understand that.

In my own pursuits, I like to read what others are paying to get a sense of the market. However, the market is not one price. The sexier, younger, more attractive girls can get better prices. Also, the same girl may hold out for more money earlier in the evening and drop her price if she can't find a customer. Similarly, she may go for a lower price if she really needs the money badly. Personal chemistry is also a factor. If she finds you attractive, she may charge you less. All this means one price is not the market for all situations.

I'm pretty demanding, so I'm willing to pay a bit more, if I really like the girl. One problem with bargaining real hard is that it can result in a lower level of service. If you don't pay her price, you can get a rushed service and of lower quality. I've found that I get much better service if the girl likes me and I'm paying a fair price. Tough bargaining can really spoil the mood. Here is an example of what I would do. At BATS, the going rate for two hours of service is around $100 US from someone who is pretty attractive. All-night can go up to $150. By reading ISG, I can get a sense of the market. Let's say I see a stunner at BATS who I would like to take to my room. After a nice conversation, I tell her what I want. I try to be pretty specific. She quotes me $200 for two hours. I don't walk away, because I really like her. I don't make a low-ball offer either. I tell her that her price seems pretty high and that I usually pay $100 for good service for two hours. She'll say that she's worth more. I'll tell her that she is definitely worth more, but $200 is pretty high. After a while, she may come down to $150. I'll say that I have a proposal for her: I'll give her $100, but if the service is really good, I'll include a $50 tip for a total of $150. Most of the time, she will accept the offer. This accomplishes a number of things. First of all, she doesn't lose any face that she might if I were a hard bargainer. Second, I can limit my downside to $100 if she gives me mediocre service. Third, I will probably get great service, because she'll be thinking about the $50 incentive. She will also feel good about me, since I've affirmed her value.

Now, some of you may say that I'm ruining the market and that I could get a girl to go with me for short-time for $50 or $75. That may be true, but it's probably not true for the girl that I want. Also, there's no bad feeling. She'll work really hard, because I've been polite with her and she wants to get that $50 bonus.[/QUOTE]I understand the second part of what you have stated. But there's no huge market involved. It's about CJ's, BATS, Tigapuluh and the bars at Faletehan. Places, frequented by foreigners.

Because the supply is not huge, the girls can maintain their high price or even increase it because they know they are rare. And they manipulate foreigners who fall for their charms, thus raising the prices. And once they know a foreigner is willing to pay their new price, they will continue doing so: marketforces! You are willing to pay $150 when you get good service. Next time the girl will try again to get the $ 200 and one day, an eager guy will be willing to pay that. So, next time you want the same good service you have had with her, you'll have to pay $ 200. For $ 150 you'll get a basic treatment.

It's different in the northern part of Jakarta. There's a huge supply there. So the girls have to keep their lower prices to survive the competition.

Just arrived and will be here until Saturday. If anyone wants to grab a drink and swap stories that would be cool. Always find it funny to be alone at Classic Terminal or Alexis while all these groups of guys are sitting around joking with one another. I use the place like an in / out brothel rather than a place to relax.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1536561]Just arrived and will be here until Saturday. If anyone wants to grab a drink and swap stories that would be cool. Always find it funny to be alone at Classic Terminal or Alexis while all these groups of guys are sitting around joking with one another. I use the place like an in / out brothel rather than a place to relax.[/QUOTE]I'll be in Jakarta from May 3-9. If you're there at that time, let's get together.

I read Hilo77's very entertaining, inspiring and well-illustrated (!) report about Cherry Spa in Lokasari Plaza and remembered my less-exciting but hopefully interesting trip to Jl. Mangga Besar.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy," would be my advice to the uninitiated."We must be cautious." Of course, I'm joking. There is scum and villainy there, naturally. We bring it along with us. But nothing for the average visitor who has spider-sense to worry about. And, of course, everybody has already been there already because of Hotel Travel.

One recent afternoon, I wanted to check out Bintang Mawar, which, according to old reports on other Indonesian-language boards, was an exciting bopping place open for business around 12 noon and full of working girls and freelancers. I was there previously during a slow night and wanted to know if the daytime scene was different.

It's located on the left on a side street that you will pass if you walk toward Lokasari Plaza on the way from the TransJakarta stop. BM is only 30 meters from the main street, however. Just charge on.

At night, the place looks seedy from the outside. During the day, it looks seedier and rundown. There are a few toothy scraggily parking men out front, directing traffic for Bintang Mawar and the dangdut club next door (I forget its name). At night, the sad sign for the Hotel Safari is illuminated. Only some of its letters still function.

Inside it is dark. While the girls sit right by the door, you cannot see them when you enter: Your eyes are adjusting to the low light inside. There looked to be about 15 when I entered. The place is not too big: Maybe 25 tall tables and stools and a wall mounted television that shows pictures of the girls identified by number (although none were wearing visible numbers).

At 12 noon, there were about four other dudes there, all middle-aged Indonesians. None looked too happy. I guess they had their game scowls on. Actually, they were probably just anxious.

The mami made a few minutes of small talk with me and then brought over a girl: A pretty petit 19-year-old from Tasikmalaya with a slim body, long hair, a sweet face and some crooked teeth.

This is what the girl told me about how things worked at BW: They work from about 11 in the morning to 11 at night. There were 15 girls working at the moment, although in the evening there would be about 75 girls (which would make the club full to the point of swelling, if true). The youngest girl was 19, the oldest 28. She had been working in Jakarta for a month (naturally) and would go back home in another three: Apparently, her co-workers were all from the same area and were all recruited here on contract. During their off time, she and the 7 other girls in her nearby dormitory room would watch television.

The girl said that there were indeed bule guests at the Bintang Mawar. People spoke English "little-little", she said. So come on down!

The price was 325, including the room, which was unchanged from the last time I visited. The room, by the way, is accessed by a dark, narrow stairway that leads to a mysterious corridor the ends up in the Hotel Safari next door.

BTW, Hotel Safari, or S-f-ri at night, since some of the neon letters on the sign are burned out, is where the ladies who hang about inside Lokasari Plaza after the sun goes down will offer to take you for short time fun.

Kalau saya tidak salah, because I can't remember clearly from that last trip, the hotel rooms are smaller than a kost, coming with a single bed, a television, a glass-enclosed shower cube and lacking full walls (meaning they stop with about a foot from the ceiling).

What special hell, I wonder, would it be to stay as an overnight guest in the Bintang Mawar.

In the short term, it was fine. There was even a clean, if threadbare, towel.

I think the draw of the place is for middle-class Javanese men who might not get a warm reception at the Chinese-focused Hotel Travel and who are looking for gadis desa.

But no, I didn't feel like repeating the experience this time. I tipped the petit 19-year-old Rp 50.000, tipped the mami Rp 10.000, paid my bill and went on my way. To Kimochi Spa, which deserves a separate report.

Fin

[QUOTE=UsPete; 1534035]When I first drank in TopGun the girls would ask for Rp50 000 LT and 1 US$ was about 2800 RP. I was a combination of 23 years old, niave and stingy so saw no reason to pay. Pentagon bar was over the road where later on the rich girls would be looking for bule meat anyway.

Last year on a trip to Jakarta I realised it was 21 years since I last pulled in TopGun so decided to reward myself a present from there. With low expectations of the quality and the fact that some of the girls were still in residence from 21 years ago (bought them soft drinks) I was actually quite impressed by the quality (about 9pm).

Took out a Sundanese lass, very good manners so went to a Sports bar in Menteng to catch some football. She'd been working hard in the Japanese bars south of the blok m bus station and fancied a change of work venue. No complaints about her service and attention to detail after the match. As she got ready to leave the hotel room I thought shit what's the going rate for this. As I'm now old enough to understand these girls need the money. I offered Rp 600 000 as a guess. She gave me back RP 100 000 and said 1/2 mill was cukup.[/QUOTE]Hey its my first trip to Jarkata. I read the post and it seems as though that bars are the hunting grounds in the city would you agree? If so what would you recommend. I am there only for a 2 days and want to make the most of it. Thanks for your help

Hey all. Am visiting Jarkata for the first time and by reading the post it seems that bars are the best places for mongering. I am only in the city for 2 days and wanted to get advise which areas I should stay because its not fun to be away from the action. Also any recommendation on bars or night clubs. I also read somewhere that one fellow hunter took back a sudanese beauty. Is it a mixed scene in terms of cultural looks. I know I may sound like a fool and I usually do my research but thi strip just sort of popped up in my schedule so would appriciate any help! Thanks all

[QUOTE=HimKoi;1537394]Hey all. Am visiting Jakarta for the first time and by reading the post it seems that bars are the best places for mongering. I am only in the city for 2 days and wanted to get advise which areas I should stay because its not fun to be away from the action. Also any recommendation on bars or night clubs. I also read somewhere that one fellow hunter took back a sudanese beauty. Is it a mixed scene in terms of cultural looks. I know I may sound like a fool and I usually do my research but this strip just sort of popped up in my schedule so would appreciate any help! Thanks all[/QUOTE]The gentleman was with a "Sundanese" beauty (note the letter 'and' after the letter 'you') , not a Sudanese beauty from Sudan in Africa. That refers to the Sundanese people, who inhabit the western part of the island of Java; there are several million Sundanese people although it is not the largest tribal group in Indonesia (the largest by far are the Javanese people who are dominant in the central and eastern parts of Java).

Yes, bars are the easiest place to monger, especially for someone like you who's only here for a couple of days and (presumably) does not speak the local language. No, it's not a mixed scene here in terms of cultural looks, over 90% of the women you could potentially hook up with would be Indonesian.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman;1537621](note the letter 'and' after the letter 'you')[/QUOTE]I do appreciate the administrator of this site is a stickler for proper grammar and punctuation but the spellchecker he has installed does lead to some really dumb stuff coming up on people's posts, see above. Furthermore the insisted upon space after a comma makes it difficult to properly write out prices given the denominations of the Indonesian currency. The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

By the way did anyone else notice that the net censors blocked this site a day or so ago? It's nice to see it back again, I wonder why they changed their mind.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1538064]By the way did anyone else notice that the net censors blocked this site a day or so ago? It's nice to see it back again, I wonder why they changed their mind.[/QUOTE]What a coincidence. Even here in Spain, ISG could not be approached.

[quote]=Hilo77; 1536521]One other point is that an Indonesian woman will associate long-term residence in Indonesia and proficiency in the lingo with what they endearingly term a "playboy". They will assume with perhaps some justification that you mastered the language through your wide range of long-haired dictionaries. I know my missus gets automatically suspicious if I use some bahasa expression (God forbid I should use Sundanese, that would be a dead giveaway) or make reference to some local cultural thing or "artis" (and at this point it might be worth warning all you married guys that if you normally converse with your wife in English try not to let slip "Oh iyah sayang, kaya begitu aja!" when she starts performing a particular act of lovemaking, not only will the act end suddenly without fulfillment the chances are you'll be spending the rest of the night on the couch. I know of which I speak).[/quote]I everytime get that too when speaking bahasa to girls here. However some do appreciate that as you are in their country of host and we would expect the same thing if they were in our country. Also the assumed educated people here are not different then their poor brothers and sisters who pollute the sewages and streets. Saw some rich kids binning some bottles during car free day which I call care free day with all the garbage on a regular Sunday.

Longtime lurker, first time poster, so forgive any mistakes in abbreviations or style of report.

I recently spent a week in Jakarta with some hobby time available. Not my first visit, but in the past I've always been tied up with business commitments in the evenings. Following recommendations from others on this Board, I got in contact with Jakarta After Dark (JAD) in advance and arranged for a nightlife orientation the evening of my arrival (a Saturday night). Most definitely a good investment! Too bad there aren't similar services available in other cities in Asia. JAD picked me up from my hotel at 8:00pm and after some discussion we decided to work from low-priced end of P2P spectrum upwards. First stop was Travel. The set up has been described in many other posts, so I won't repeat. Went with the recommendation of one of the Mamasans for a 19-yr old from Bandung. 8/10 with thin build and nice figure. Got to the room and started with a shower, wherein she gave nice attention to my cock while I admired her body. On to the bed where things quickly went down hill. She started with a somewhat half-hearted BBBJ which went on for only a couple of minutes. I kissed her neck, which she didn't seem to mind, but also wasn't reacting to. When I tried to move down to her breasts, she pushed my head away; ditto when I tried to move down her stomach towards her pussy. On with the cover and she motioned for mish (her English was limited). I motioned instead for CG. She climbed on reluctantly and slid my cock inside of her. No motion at all from her side as I moved my hips up and down. Pulled out and switched to mish. Again, total starfish action from her. I decided this wasn't going anywhere, so I finished in mish and let her clean me up. I showered and gave her 100K, which was probably more than she deserved. Next stop was Classic. Same routine as Travel, but this time I got really lucky. Based on the experience at Travel as well as advice from several posters on this Forum, I was planning to go with a somewhat older girl this time. However, as I was checking out the girls, a petite thing gave me a huge smile (whereas most of the others looked bored or gave no reaction when I looked at them). Parentheses here to say that while I'm certainly no model or movie star, I'm not bad looking either. Anyway, the girl turned out to be an 18-yr old from Jakarta, named Ainee. Hardly any English, but an infectious smile. She seemed totally excited when JAD called over the Mamasan and told her I wanted to go with this girl. She took my hand and led me to one of the rooms. I ordered a beer for myself and a soda for her (her choice). While waiting for the drinks to come, she started kissing me, which was rather unexpected (but still welcome!). LK quickly moved to DFK, which she was totally into. When the drinks showed up she motioned that we should share the beer. Cool with me. We each took a few swigs and she then pointed to the shower. Once she had undressed, and in particular had taken off her high heels, I realized how tiny she was. I'm 6'1" and she barely came up to my chest. Perfectly rounded little ass and tits with raisin like nipples. She giggled when she saw me admiring her body and grabbed my cock, which was getting hard just at the sight of her. She took her time soaping me up in the shower, paying special attention to my cock, and laughing when I had to bend down so that she could wash my hair. On to the bed and more DFK. She then moved down to an amazing BBBJ. I was about to burst, so I pulled her head up and gently pushed her down on her back and began to lick her neck and then moved down to suck on her nipples. She was soon moaning and squirming. She let out a gasp when I moved down to her pussy, but was soon totally into it, with her hips raised to meet my lips. I put in a finger and she came almost immediately. From the look on her face, I think it was unexpected. She started to lean down for more BBBJ and I swung her around so that we could go with 69, which she again was very much into. After about 10 minutes she pointed to a condom and I nodded OK. On with the cover and she straddled me and slide down my cock. Her pussy was very tight, so I let her control the pace initially. Soon she has bouncing up and down and was moaning and squealing. We moved through several positions, ending with me facing her standing on the side of the bed and her legs (or should I say her feet, as her legs barely reached) on my shoulders. I popped in that position, but kept pumping for a minute or so, as she was bucking her hips to meet my thrusts. After I finally pulled out, she cleaned me up and we finished the beer together. We then lay down on the bed and she put her head on my chest while I caressed her tiny ass. Wasn't too long before I was hard again and she had put on another cover. Again, we went through several positions, including with me standing and holding her (hands under her ass, with she facing me). She was so light that I was able to bounce her up and down on my cock. I'd never done this before, and it was a total turn on. She was moaning and pressing her mouth to my lips. I came again and we lay down on the bed again and began kissing each other all over. Total GFE action. The phone soon rang to signal time up, but I told her I wanted to go on. She gave me a smile of delight and said something in Bhahasa. She then handed me the phone and I confirmed that yes, I wanted to go on, and yes I understood it would cost extra. After about 10 minutes of caressing and kissing, she started another slow BBBJ. I wasn't sure whether I'd be able to go another round, but sure enough, I was soon hard again. On with the cover again and back through a series of positions. This time I tried to finish in K9, but couldn't manage. She seemed worried that I was upset, but I smiled and told her that I was too old for three pops (I didn't say that I'd already dome one earlier at Travel). I doubt whether she understood what I was saying, but nodded OK when I pointed to the shower. We hugged for a while letting the water run over us, and then she cleaned me up. I got dressed while she cleaned up herself and waited for her to dress. I gave her one last long kiss and $200K which elicited a big smile. Told her I'd come see her again, but I wasn't sure that she understood, and by the time I found JAD (I realized that I had totally lost track of time and had forgotten that he was waiting for me) , she had disappeared.

I apologized to JAD, but he said it was cool, and was glad that I'd had a good time. He suggested that we go to either BATS or CJs. After describing the scene at each, I oped for CJs. We took a taxi over, paid the entry, and I bought each of us a beer. He suggested that I walk around and check out the action. Several local ladies caught my eye, and I talked to one from Bali for a few minutes, but decided to move on. I went back over to where JAD was and realized that one of the ladies with whom I'd exchanged glances had followed me over. From her looks, I figured she was probably from Northern or Western China (I lived in Beijing for a few years, so know the looks) ; her face was not SE Asian, and her bust was too big to be local either. Face / body about a 7/10. Turned out she was from Mongolia. We chatted for a bit in Mandarin (I can carry on a basic conversation) and then in English (hers is excellent). She was soon all over me, but I knew that I was pretty well spent for the evening, so that taking her to my hotel would be a waste of $$. I asked her how much for overnight anyhow, just to get an idea of what she was asking. She said 3 million. I said way too high and countered with 1.5 million. She said OK, but just for ST. I told her that I would come back the following Saturday, and that we would talk again.

JAD suggested that we go check out Alexis, but I was at this point pretty exhausted. I'd arrived around noon after 20 hours of travel with very little sleep; plus the fact that Ainee had worn me out. We headed back to my hotel and JAD dropped me off. Like I said earlier, he is a great resource. Not only about the P2P scene in Indonesia, but also about the economics of the business in general, and it was interesting to hear his perspective.

I had business obligations and work to catch up on on Sunday and Monday evenings, so no play those nights. On Wednesday evening, I decided to go back over to Classic. Thanks to JAD, I was pretty clear on the routine, so had not worries about going on my own, despite lack of Bhahasa. I went in and headed to the same area where Ainee's group had been sitting. I didn't see her, but another cute girl from Jakarta came up to me and asked whether I wanted to go with her. I asked if she knew Ainee; she said yes, but that she (Ainee wasn't working that night). Maybe so, or maybe she was with another customer, so I decided to go with this girl instead. Very upbeat girl by the name of Jali. Not as tiny as Ainee, but also short and thin. 6/10 on looks / body, but again a nice GFE experience, although not nearly up to the level of Saturday night. I was certainly satisfied, and gave her $150K tip. She gave me her phone number and asked whether I wanted to call her to come to my hotel another night. I was a bit surprised, as I'd asked JAD about this and he'd told me that the girls from Classic generally aren't allowed to do overnights.

Thursday night I went back to Classic again. I walked in and after about 15 seconds ran into Jali. She gave me a smile and a big hug. But when she saw me looking around, she asked whether I wanted Ainee. I asked whether she was there, and Jali said yes, and called over the Mamasan. I though for a few seconds about doing a threesome, but decided against it. Instead, I gave Jali 50K. She seemed shocked, but soon gave me a big hug and a kiss. I won't repeat details of that night's session with Ainee, but will say that it was almost as good as Saturday night, although this time I only went two rounds. Before I left, I asked her whether she wanted to come to my hotel that coming Saturday night. She siad yes and gave me her phone number, making sure that I put it into my phone correctly.

Friday night I was out of town, but arrived back in Jakarta in the late afternoon on Saturday, which was going to be my last night. I thought seriously about calling Ainee, but then decided that it probably wasn't too smart to show up at my hotel with a waif looking girl who speaks hardly any English. Instead I took a nap until 10:00pm and then headed over to CJs. As soon as I went inside, I ran into the Mongolian girl from the previous visit. She gave me a big hug, telling me that she didn't think I'd be back. I told her that I'd said I would (although frankly I was by no means sure at the time). At this point, I figured that my bargaining position with her was somewhat limited (yes, I know that there were a lot of other women there, but to tell the truth I'd gone back mainly because I did want to fuck her. She again asked for 2. 5 million for all-night but eventually agreed on 1.75 for 2 hours. Headed over to my hotel. Fortunately she was wearing a dress that, while sexy, didn't scream WG, so I was cool walking through the hotel lobby to the elevator. Up to the room and I offered her a drink (I'd skipped this at CJs, as I didn't see a reason to pay their prices when I was pretty sure we'd be heading back to the hotel fairly quickly). What followed was an enjoyable, but not sensational session. Her boobs turned out to be enhanced and she didn't like having them caressed. She did enjoy DATY (which I enjoy performing) and was OK with several different positions when it came time to do the deed. We went two rounds and then showered, and I walked her down to the lobby. I took her phone number, and send her a nice text the next morning, but probably wouldn't repeat with her next time I'm in Jakarta.

For fellow members who might want to try out Ainee (or Jali, as I'd recommend both) , their Mamasan had them situated (at least the week that I was there) , in the right hand corner of the room from where you enter the club, near the door that goes back to the bedrooms on that side. If you happen to spend a session with either of them, treat them well. I expect that you don't find a GFE at Classic every day.

[QUOTE=Lion55; 1539187]Longtime lurker, first time poster, so forgive any mistakes in abbreviations or style of report.

*snip* I expect that you don't find a GFE at Classic every day.[/QUOTE]Good writing and glad you had a great time. TTG

[QUOTE=Lion55; 1539187]Longtime lurker, first time poster, so forgive any mistakes in abbreviations or style of report.

I recently spent a week in Jakarta with some hobby time available.

Friday night I was out of town, but arrived back in Jakarta in the late afternoon on Saturday, which was going to be my last night. I thought seriously about calling Ainee, but then decided that it probably wasn't too smart to show up at my hotel with a waif looking girl who speaks hardly any English.[/QUOTE]Quite possibly the best first-time post ever!

I'm also glad to read that you took our advice and used JAD's services, definitely a wise decision. As you pointed out, he can both take you to the right places and can give you inside tips that you'd never figure out as a short-time visitor.

Only one minor point of disagreement. There would not have been any problem with the hotel if you showed up "with a waif looking girl who speaks hardly any English", the only possible problem might have been being seen by a co-worker, but the hotel would not have cared.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1539199]Good writing and glad you had a great time. TTG[/QUOTE]Thanks for the encouragement.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman; 1539214]Quite possibly the best first-time post ever!

I'm also glad to read that you took our advice and used JAD's services, definitely a wise decision. As you pointed out, he can both take you to the right places and can give you inside tips that you'd never figure out as a short-time visitor.

Only one minor point of disagreement. There would not have been any problem with the hotel if you showed up "with a waif looking girl who speaks hardly any English", the only possible problem might have been being seen by a co-worker, but the hotel would not have cared.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know that the hotel wouldn't have minded about the girl; it just didn't feel right.