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[QUOTE=GeoffreyFirmin;1627443]Are QQ and Wechat dead ends for meeting ST girls? I used to get offers a couple times a week on wechat, but nothing in months. I'm looking for some not-so-westernized Chinese girls to spend some time with.[/QUOTE]I recollect reading recently over a million accounts have been cancelled for promoting sexual contact.
[QUOTE=Changlelu;1628458]Noticed that next to Camel Bar on Weifang Lu (near Pudong Nan Lu) there are two (sports) bars: 'One Way Street' and 'Jolly Dragon', with ample female staff (incl. Hot matures). Does anyone know if these girls only serve drinks (at normal prices) or are there other services on / off premises. Clients consist mainly of foreigners, so I was wondering if these are girlie bars since the girls often hang out outside like on Changyi Lu. Thanks.[/QUOTE]CLL,
I have seen the same. Have not yet taken a dive into the pair you mention. Will have to give it a go and see. I tend to grab a drink at the Camel then hit my fave massage place nearby.
SH.
[QUOTE=Changlelu;1628458]Noticed that next to Camel Bar on Weifang Lu (near Pudong Nan Lu) there are two (sports) bars: 'One Way Street' and 'Jolly Dragon', with ample female staff (incl. Hot matures). Does anyone know if these girls only serve drinks (at normal prices) or are there other services on / off premises. Clients consist mainly of foreigners, so I was wondering if these are girlie bars since the girls often hang out outside like on Changyi Lu. Thanks.[/QUOTE]These bars are girlie type bars pestering for high priced LD. In the past at least, none I saw went out with customers they just met. I have several Pudong friends at a nearby sports bar, they all go to Chang yi Lu.
Right now during the holiday is a buyers market for Judy's and Manhattan, lots of girls and few guys.
[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1628836]I have several Pudong friends at a nearby sports bar, they all go to Chang yi Lu.
[/QUOTE]How are the massage parlors that are near the girlie bars on Chang yi Lu?
[QUOTE=NonLinear;1628924]How are the massage parlors that are near the girlie bars on Chang yi Lu?[/QUOTE]Haven't used them in a while, but have done late night take away for FS from the place to the left of Sports Bar.
SH.
Does anyone know if Riverview Hotel Sauna is operational?
[QUOTE=Ramrod;1629291]Does anyone know if Riverview Hotel Sauna is operational?[/QUOTE]Veggie only.
[QUOTE=SamCan;1617288]During the week 1000 works. On the weekend, the girls try for 1500 but 1000 works for most of them.[/QUOTE]Hi,
Just a quick report on my trip to Shanghai 2 weeks ago. Arrived mid afternoon on Friday, stayed at the Swissotel, close to the Jing An temple. Had dinner Friday night at Windows Too (next door to the hotel) - burger & beer. Inexpensive and OK. No real action at 9:30 PM.
Went to Judy's first. Arrived at 10:45 - and it was crowded. Girls outnumbered guys. And available for takeout. Had a beer- nothing interested me. So went to Manhatten. Very crowded. Lots of women from Vietnam. Surprised that they only serve beer in bottles now? Same price too. Not a good sign. Found a short spinner from Hanoi. Negotiated 1,600 RMB for LT (8 AM) - left at 12:30 AM to the hotel. First time this happened. Girl asked for money upfront. I refused of course. But she was persistent- never happened to me before. I offered her 20 RMB for taxi back to Manhatten. Eventually she agreed to be paid in the morning. GREAT session - & great wake-up sex at 7. Overall, very good experience. Except surprised by the request for upfront payment.
Saturday. Had dinner at Malones. Went to Manhatten, not intending to bring anyone back. But saw an increadibly big breasted (but slim) girl from Ho Chi Minh City. And she was very playful! Thought she would be fun in bed, so settled on 1,000 RMB for ST (could not have had LT 2 nights in a row. Bad to get old), off to the hotel. Got to the room, undressed, she refused to let me help (warning! But OK. Seeing those tits made me very horny. She asked to be paid in advance. Not this again! We joked about it for a while. And she said that she had not been paid a couple of times & insisted. I pulled out a 50 (smallest I had) - and told her to get dressed & leave. Argued for a while. I just got dressed & said I would walk her back as I wanted someone else. She got halfway dressed & reconsidered. And I made a mistake. I agreed to continue with her. I know why she did not get paid. She refused any kissing or any foreplay, just short BBBJ & condom & started in CG. No touching. We had a discussion about ST. I said it is one pop. But up to 2 hours. She said no way. Just one pop. And if she can make it happen in 15 minutes that was it. I was pissed. Finally just moved her to mish & went to release. Not a good session. And I should have stopped long before & sent her on her way. My mistake. I paid her. Told her she was lucky I was a fool. Told her what the deal was for long & ST. She argued both. She left.
I have never had this mis-understanding before. It was always clear what the 2 meant. I always 'interview' when I am in the FKK to make sure I get a good session in FKK in Europe. Never had to in the 4 years I have been going to Manhatten. Will start for sure.
Moved out to Caohejing Hi Tech Park (Warner Hotel) Sunday. Tuesday night went to Xinyuping Spa near hotel. Always a great session. 1 hour 45 min, 1,000 RMB for top level.
Learned a lot in this trip with the ST session. What have you guys experienced? Was my prior 10 times just lucky and ST & LT are open for interpretation? Our is this a change?
Will
[QUOTE=Willa1;1629542]Hi,
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Moved out to Caohejing Hi Tech Park (Warner Hotel) Sunday. Tuesday night went to Xinyuping Spa near hotel. Always a great session. 1 hour 45 min, 1,000 RMB for top level.
Learned a lot in this trip with the ST session. What have you guys experienced? Was my prior 10 times just lucky and ST & LT are open for interpretation? Our is this a change?
Will[/QUOTE]I noticed this last time I was at Manhattans. The girls were saying "1000 , one time" . They used to say 1000 for 2 hours (about a year ago). I would ask how many pops in 2 hours? They would say "up to you".
I guess it is inflation. I have teased a few and talked them into more than one pop before I left the bar. They don't always remember back at the hotel though.
[QUOTE=Willa1;1629542]Hi,
Just a quick report on my trip to Shanghai 2 weeks ago. Arrived mid afternoon on Friday, stayed at the Swissotel, close to the Jing An temple. Had dinner Friday night at Windows Too (next door to the hotel) - burger & beer. Inexpensive and OK. No real action at 9:30 PM.
Went to Judy's first. Arrived at 10:45 - and it was crowded. Girls outnumbered guys. And available for takeout. Had a beer- nothing interested me. So went to Manhatten. Very crowded. Lots of women from Vietnam. Surprised that they only serve beer in bottles now? Same price too. Not a good sign. Found a short spinner from Hanoi. Negotiated 1,600 RMB for LT (8 AM) - left at 12:30 AM to the hotel. First time this happened. Girl asked for money upfront. I refused of course. But she was persistent- never happened to me before. I offered her 20 RMB for taxi back to Manhatten. Eventually she agreed to be paid in the morning. GREAT session - & great wake-up sex at 7. Overall, very good experience. Except surprised by the request for upfront payment.
Saturday. Had dinner at Malones. Went to Manhatten, not intending to bring anyone back. But saw an increadibly big breasted (but slim) girl from Ho Chi Minh City..[/QUOTE]Good review Willa1.
The first red flag for me would be that she is Vietnamese. I love viet woman look wise but hate their crap. Now especially with viet woman if you two can communicate I would go into details what I expect and what are her rules.
[QUOTE=TomSf;1629740]Good review Willa1.
The first red flag for me would be that she is Vietnamese. I love viet woman look wise but hate their crap. Now especially with viet woman if you two can communicate I would go into details what I expect and what are her rules.[/QUOTE]I have been to Shanghai 2 X per year for the past 4 years now. Used to be able to get a good Filipino, or a Chinese local. But in the past 2.5 years all I seem to run into are Viets at Manhatten. And have not had this problem in the previous 8-9 takeouts with Vietnamese. So I have learned. Things change. And I need to change with them. Still great to be able to interact with the girl before leaving, so will continue to use Manhatten until something better comes along. Will also get the terms of the agreement firm up front from now on.
Will
I searched up Hongmei Lu and there are some old posts in the forum about it. Has anyone been there recently? Looking for a HE MP place where FIV might be available. I was walking around Laowai jie one night and noticed a number of places.
I tried New Massage Club and it was pretty decent. Had the same experience as those that previously posted.
Yes things seem to change at Manhattan.
Since about 3 years I pick girls at this place. Mostly good experiences.
Here the best once:
In spring 2013 I met a girl from Hanoi. Very nice, trained body (every day some sport), College degree (Design), no smoke, no drinking, family first (hers and mine), English conversation ok. During my stay (4 weeks) I took her to my place a couple of times and we enjoyed each other very much. In autumn 2013 she was back to Hanoi I send a message that I come to Shanghai. She flew in and again we had a very good time not only in bed but also went for dinner, visiting temple etc. I have to confess that I fell in love. Yes I know what a fool!
After I've been back to Europe we exchanged some messages. After a while she stopped answering me. I know she was more clever and responsible than me. She just knew that we both have our obligations and that there will be no common future for us.
In spring this year I stayed again for about 5 weeks in Shanghai. I met another girl from Hanoi at Manhattan. Also College degree (Pharmaceutics) and good English. She was so inexperienced that I wonder how she could do the job. She was pretty frank about this (maybe to warn me). But I told her that I could teach her some lessons. On we went to my place. In dead she didn't know much so I trained her showing and presenting her body, kissing, blowing, riding the dick, how to reach a mutual orgasm etc. I think it was in total "4 lessons" and we had great time and fun. She was a natural talent!! The bad thing was that she obvious fell a little bit in love to me. Her last words before I went to the airport: "You take a piece of my heard with you". I was quite embarrassed and told her that I never intended this. She gave me her Mail address but it didn't work.
With this experience in background, I've been to Shanghai and Manhattan during September. Many beautiful Viet girls like always. But I could not find one with education. I don't mind WG working at home in nail studio, hair salon or massage place. But this time I was focused on girls having good conversational skills being more a real partner. But no way! Quite disappointing.
So this is my first appraisal: no educated girls any more.
Also the issue of money changed. They try to raise their income (1500ST, 2000 LT) and I also was asked to pay in advance (what I refused, heavy arguing).
One girl left my room very angry because she demanded me to pay 1500 for ST (two come) what I refused (1000 for ST, 100 for taxi). I told her the price the evening before.
Another girl told me she only do LT and take 2000 or more. I instantly stopped talking to her and looked for another one.
So this is my second appraisal: It's getting less fun because of all this money talk and bargaining. How to get a friendly atmosphere and a pleasure experience when always arguing? So fellow monger stand firm: 1000ST and 1500 LT is OK.
Next time I may think about going back to sauna places. It's cheaper and prices are fixed.
For the shabby mongers;.
I found a row of low end window girl shops at Hongsong east road, not too far from Xxujiahui. The girls will wave at you when you walk on the sidewalk and you can check them out through the window. The girls are mostly early to mid twenties and you can find a cute one.
The service is very basic, after you choose the girl you go to the improvised rooms in the back of the shop. The girl will take off her panty show her pussy and start sucking yr dick. Sucking to completion cost 200 rmb, if you also want to fuck her you have to pay 100 extra totaling a whopping 300 rmb to empty yr balls.
I found this strip of window prostitution funny cause it reminds me of my home country. LOL.
Regards,
Cgholland
For the shabby mongers;.
I found a row of low end window girl shops at Hongsong east road, not too far from Xxujiahui. The girls will wave at you when you walk on the sidewalk and you can check them out through the window. The girls are mostly early to mid twenties and you can find a cute one.
The service is very basic, after you choose the girl you go to the improvised rooms in the back of the shop. The girl will take off her panty show her pussy and start sucking yr dick. Sucking to completion cost 200 rmb, if you also want to fuck her you have to pay 100 extra totaling a whopping 300 rmb to empty yr balls.
I found this strip of window prostitution funny cause it reminds me of my home country. LOL.
Some years ago there was one BBS close to Wanhangdu lu in Jingan, next door to the 1808 Bejing lu massage place. The sign said "Luxury Hair Washing" The shop had the revolving barber shop device. I went in once to ask for the price. 300 rob. It was too blatant and did not stay open very long。.
Thanks cgHolland for your post. 200 for BBBJ sounds great.