General Reports

Spent 17 days in Pattaya, 10 days in Bangkok. Have to say Pattaya blows away Bangkok on almost every level. Ease of getting around clearly goes to Pattaya, those baht bus routes really make getting from point A to point be the easiest way to travel. Bangkok does have the bts and the mrt but you have to walk half a mile to get to the station and then climb two stories to the station. In Pattaya you just walk 50 feet and wave your hand and a baht bus pulls over. Pattaya has action all over the place whereas in Bangkok your hoofing it to get to the next area. And when it comes down to the gogo's, Pattaya's setup and pricing again beats Bangkok's 3 split up area's. If you want to check out a gogo in Bangkok, your going to have to fork over almost triple the amount for a beer in Pattaya. Most Pattaya gogo's have fantastic draft beer specials, allowing you to see more options concerning talent. I also got the impression your less likely to be turned down from a gogo girl in Pattaya since they deal with more xpats. There was also more options for daytime activities in Pattaya. Prices for most of the gogo's seemed to be pretty much on par with both cities, you could get most girls short time for 2000 although on occasion some would try to get 3000 from you. Also found many girls in Pattaya would stay long time for 1500, a much better deal than the 4000 being quoted to me in Bangkok.

Next trip I'll concentrate more of my time in Pattaya and only do Bangkok a few days at the beginning and the end.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1846135]Spent 17 days in Pattaya, 10 days in Bangkok. Have to say Pattaya blows away Bangkok on almost every level. Ease of getting around clearly goes to Pattaya, those baht bus routes really make getting from point A to point be the easiest way to travel. Bangkok does have the bts and the mrt but you have to walk half a mile to get to the station and then climb two stories to the station. In Pattaya you just walk 50 feet and wave your hand and a baht bus pulls over. Pattaya has action all over the place whereas in Bangkok your hoofing it to get to the next area. And when it comes down to the gogo's, Pattaya's setup and pricing again beats Bangkok's 3 split up area's. If you want to check out a gogo in Bangkok, your going to have to fork over almost triple the amount for a beer in Pattaya. Most Pattaya gogo's have fantastic draft beer specials, allowing you to see more options concerning talent. I also got the impression your less likely to be turned down from a gogo girl in Pattaya since they deal with more xpats. There was also more options for daytime activities in Pattaya. Prices for most of the gogo's seemed to be pretty much on par with both cities, you could get most girls short time for 2000 although on occasion some would try to get 3000 from you. Also found many girls in Pattaya would stay long time for 1500, a much better deal than the 4000 being quoted to me in Bangkok.

Next trip I'll concentrate more of my time in Pattaya and only do Bangkok a few days at the beginning and the end.[/QUOTE]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1845392]I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.[/QUOTE]It's helpful to read some of Christopher G Moore's non-fiction writings on Thai culture and why it will probably continue to be "unstable" (a western descriptor) for a long time yet.

Read "The Cultural Detective" as a start. Amazon has a non-fiction "bundle" that includes this plus "Faking it in Bkk".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846288]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.[/QUOTE]This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846288]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.[/QUOTE]Very well said. I have some fond memories of PTY, but, as you said, the human detritus has become far worse and I now avoid the place.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1846296]This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL![/QUOTE]Hardly. Phuket has the killer beaches and water and has been an international vacation destination for many years. It has its share of sleaze but the really hard-core dregs can't afford to live there, so Pattaya is where they tend to call home.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846288]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.[/QUOTE]Is that you A. K. A. NicFrenchy?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1845136]You gave her very mixed up signals. No wonder she got upset. You agreed to meet her at her sister's kebab stand. For her that included automatically spending some time there with you.
And then she gave you the opportunity to spend some little money on drinks and gain serious stature in her environment. Her sister's husband did the same: offer you, a total stranger, some drinks and some "quality time". Any Thai would have gracefully accepted that and improved the relationship. Your reaction was very "Western": why should I spend money on total strangers? Most Thai would jump at the opportunity to show their largesse.
Of course your mind was on a different track. It is not always easy to reconcile different cultural expectations. Although you made it quite clear what you wanted to do, sometimes through no fault of our own the message does not register.[/QUOTE]Not at all. I made it VERY clear that we will go to a bar to drink together. I specifically told her I can come there with my bike, pick her up and take her to a bar. She wanted to go there to see / talk to her sister also. I told her she can arrive first to talk and I will come after. I told her again when I was on my way that when I get there we will leave. There was zero mistake about it.

Having 1 drink would have been fine as well as me buying a drink for her sister and the husband. Heck that's only 105 baht for 3 drinks.

You missed the big picture. The messed up part was not about a drink for her sister and husband. IT was her trying to spend my money for two other Thai guys hanging out nearby. Fuck that. She had a different agenda and WASN'T listening. So she got left there. End of story.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846288]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.[/QUOTE]Everybody has their own idea of the perfect place to live. I mentioned to my buddy that Pattaya is probably the best area to find girls new to the game, low on money and willing to take less. He felt Bangkok fit that bill better with the major colleges in town, then again he's in his low 30's and speaks Thai and never pays a penny for Thai pussy. Another buddy of mine took the ferry from Pattaya to one of the islands nearby, he said that from the ferry you could see a haze of pollution hanging over Pattaya. In Bangkok I was standing on the bts platform and noticed that the smog from the pollution blocked out the view after a dozen blocks. Have to imagine the pollution levels in Pattaya are lower than in Bangkok.

Then there's the price of living in each city to consider. Phuket is more on the expensive side im told but I saw a youtube video where a guy just got a brand new condo (appartment) for 7000 baht per month. My buddy in Bangkok pays 6000 per month but is nowhere near a bts or mrt line. Im assuming you can find a place to live in Pattaya in that area as well. And I read a Mr E. report that states he pays 4500 baht per month for his place.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1846378]Is that you A. K. A. NicFrenchy?[/QUOTE]Nope. I am not NicFrenchy.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1846296]This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL![/QUOTE]Have not been to Phuket since '99. Not really a beach guy. Only frequented Pattaya for the gals back in the day. One of my least favorite things about LOS is the weather. I hate heat, love it cold and prefer clouds to sun. My ideal town would be arid, cool, near the mountains with skiing in the winter, as inexpensive as BKK, and full of Asian working girls. Sadly that place does not exist, so I am here. Beats back home any day.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1846570] My buddy in Bangkok pays 6000 per month but is nowhere near a bts or mrt line. Im assuming you can find a place to live in Pattaya in that area as well. And I read a Mr E. report that states he pays 4500 baht per month for his place.[/QUOTE]I live on the soi next to Bliss Lounge in Pattaya. My place is just a regular room. No kitchen or anything. We do have a security guy from 5pm to 5am, free internet and cable, a security door that opens by card key, and cameras throughout the building that we can view on our TV. I am a simple guy and do not require anything elaborate since I am only here part time.

Other friends have much nicer places with kitchens and gyms, and pools and what not and pay anywhere from 10,000 baht to a friend who has a 16th floor 1 bedroom place in Jomtien overlooking the water for 35,000 baht.

I say if the baht hits 40 to 1USD then I will just go ahead and buy a place with a limit of 2 million baht. I am only 43 and make enough where I could have $50,000 paid off in a couple of years. And you have to figure that I am paying $1900/year in rent now. So if I was here for 20 more years then it may work out.

On the other hand I may lose if I buy into a disaster. As of now I can move whenever I want or if push comes to shove I can abandon ship and leave behind a 10,000 baht TV that I bought 6 years ago, an 18,000 baht motorbike that I bought at the auction 6 years ago, a bar full of liquor that I have built up, and a closet full of clothes that I bought at Goodwill over the years.

My friends who are in their 60's say that at their age it would be stupid to buy anything so they prefer renting.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846608]My ideal town would be arid, cool, near the mountains with skiing in the winter, as inexpensive as BKK, and full of Asian working girls. [/QUOTE]Have you been to Dalat, Vietnam? It ticks all the boxes except skiing. Not exactly *full* of Asian working girls (the scene in Vietnam is always subdued), but they do exist.

If North Korea ever opens up, you might get exactly what you're dreaming about.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1846615]Have you been to Dalat, Vietnam? It ticks all the boxes except skiing. Not exactly *full* of Asian working girls (the scene in Vietnam is always subdued), but they do exist.

If North Korea ever opens up, you might get exactly what you're dreaming about.[/QUOTE]Dalat does have a great climate, but it is a bit on the humid side. Love Denver and other high desert cities myself. Yep, when and if and Korea opens up then it will be good for at least a few years. Actually some good peaks in Northern Burma as well.

[QUOTE=Allover;1840725]Was the lady in red a ladyboy? I couldn't tell.[/QUOTE]Not sure but I guess the ones in this vid probably are.

[URL]https://youtu.be/XgKH54UXHXk[/URL]