Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1142868]I agree with you on everything but the Beach part. The beach is what got us into this mess in the first place, LOL. If Sosua was a trucking stop district (La Mayorista?) I'm sure it would be going on business as usual (pre-crack down) because no one would want (to develop) the place. But nope, it's next to the Beach. A beautiful beach at that.[/QUOTE]You are correct, the beach is the main selling point. By the way thanks for posting Mr. E. Someone on the Colombia board said" find a place with no gringos, where the people are nice, and with available pussy running around then keep your mouth shut". For those who have learned Spanish and explore there are many places like this in the DR.

[QUOTE=Coolie High; 1142865]You know I've been thinking about the whole price issue and I just believe that the price varies if your an experience monger or a newbie. If your an experience monger like your self and mr. E that's been to Sosua numerous times, know the games, speak spainish then yeah I be payin WAAAY LESS like yaw do and have a take it or leave it attitude.

But a new cat to the game like myself that's still young to the DR culture I'm not goin to arguing or fight over a hoe for $27 which equals to roughly a 1000pesos. She has home field advantage and I'm on vacation. The last thing I need is a crazy broad in my room arguing and screaming. Been there done that. That type of shit sucks the energy out the room IMO!

But when a female starts to trip over money she shows me her true colors, and that's when I know for sure that this broad is a Tigre! Yeah she may have gotten me out of 1000 extra pesos but thats all that hoe is going to get. Next time she sees me she better keep walking cus the only thing she's gettin from me is deezz nuts.

Also if your coming from England or European countries I can understand why they wouldn't mind just paying the broad off. I mean seriously if I had British pounds and transferred it to pesos that extra $1000peso is nothing. Whats that 16. 50gbp that you give to keep a hooker happy and slobing on your johnson and after you kicked her out you don't have to worry about her doing some crazy shit to you the next night you see her. [/QUOTE]I think pussy just like everything has to go up. I been going to sosua for about 3. 5 years and TLN has been $1500 so eventually it will go to $2000/2500K. It is what it is. Lots of these chicas are getting more educated as far as reading what chicas in other countries are getting and other mongers snitching. Etc. And yes the element of european money being heavier is a factor too. Another factor is the NEW YORK Black Americans going to D. R. And trying to act like P Diddy. Its a known fact in Sosua that Black Americans from NY pay the most.

[quote=coolie high; 1142865]you know i've been thinking about the whole price issue and i just believe that the price varies if your an experience monger or a newbie. if your an experience monger like your self and mr. e that's been to sosua numerous times, know the games, speak spainish then yeah i be payin waaay less like yaw do and have a take it or leave it attitude.

but a new cat to the game like myself that's still young to the dr culture i'm not goin to arguing or fight over a hoe for $27 which equals to roughly a 1000pesos. she has home field advantage and i'm on vacation. the last thing i need is a crazy broad in my room arguing and screaming. been there done that. that type of shit sucks the energy out the room imo!

but when a female starts to trip over money she shows me her true colors, and that's when i know for sure that this broad is a tigre! yeah she may have gotten me out of 1000 extra pesos but thats all that hoe is going to get. next time she sees me she better keep walking cus the only thing she's gettin from me is deezz nuts.

also if your coming from england or european countries i can understand why they wouldn't mind just paying the broad off. i mean seriously if i had british pounds and transferred it to pesos that extra $1000peso is nothing. whats that 16. 50gbp that you give to keep a hooker happy and slobing on your johnson and after you kicked her out you don't have to worry about her doing some crazy shit to you the next night you see her. [/quote]i guess most people who monger in sosua are on vacation and have some kind of vacation budget in mind and have some idea of how much they expect to spend on sexual services. the extent to which they want or need to fight over prices depends on their personal budget and expectations.

it is certainly true that when you don't particularly feel like getting laid, then you are in a much better negotiating position as it is then the woman who has to negotiate downwards to get the sale.

personally i prefer to negotiate over price before sex, so that there aren't any nasty surprises. let's face it, no matter how tough a negotiator you are, you don't really have a mental health report on any of the chicas, a drug serum assay, nor do you know exactly what pressures they may be under from dominican boyfriends or family members. it is not the same as negotiating with a car salesman in the us, because you can be pretty sure that he will not call the cops and allege he was raped if he doesn't get a sale. (not usually, anyway.)

i go on vacation and i don't want stress, and i don't particularly want the chicas discussing me with each other and giving unfavorable references. so overall i think it is better to err on the side of overgenerosity.

having said that, i did have some damn good sex in a brothel in boca chica just a couple of weeks ago for only 1000 pesos. however the price was agreed ahead of time, so there was no potential for conflict.

it makes me laugh, though, when i read reports by mongers who claim to have given up sexual opportunities that they wanted just because they didn't want to spoil the market for other mongers. to me this is like saying that i wouldn't overpay for a stock that i wanted to buy, because i don't want to set a precedent that means others will have to pay more too. frankly i don't give a shit about other investors, nor do i care whether other mongers are on a tight budget. i go with woody allen's line that "the heart wants what the heart wants."

i do think it is a bit disingenuous, though, to pick up a chica in a hooker bar in a hooker town, pretend that you didn't know she was pay-for-play, and then write about it on a hooker board.

[quote=frannie; 1142899]i guess most people who monger in sosua are on vacation and have some kind of vacation budget in mind and have some idea of how much they expect to spend on sexual services. the extent to which they want or need to fight over prices depends on their personal budget and expectations.

it is certainly true that when you don't particularly feel like getting laid, then you are in a much better negotiating position as it is then the woman who has to negotiate downwards to get the sale.

personally i prefer to negotiate over price before sex, so that there aren't any nasty surprises. let's face it, no matter how tough a negotiator you are, you don't really have a mental health report on any of the chicas, a drug serum assay, nor do you know exactly what pressures they may be under from dominican boyfriends or family members. it is not the same as negotiating with a car salesman in the us, because you can be pretty sure that he will not call the cops and allege he was raped if he doesn't get a sale. (not usually, anyway.)

i go on vacation and i don't want stress, and i don't particularly want the chicas discussing me with each other and giving unfavorable references. so overall i think it is better to err on the side of overgenerosity.

having said that, i did have some damn good sex in a brothel in boca chica just a couple of weeks ago for only 1000 pesos. however the price was agreed ahead of time, so there was no potential for conflict.

it makes me laugh, though, when i read reports by mongers who claim to have given up sexual opportunities that they wanted just because they didn't want to spoil the market for other mongers. to me this is like saying that i wouldn't overpay for a stock that i wanted to buy, because i don't want to set a precedent that means others will have to pay more too. frankly i don't give a shit about other investors, nor do i care whether other mongers are on a tight budget. i go with woody allen's line that "the heart wants what the heart wants."

i do think it is a bit disingenuous, though, to pick up a chica in a hooker bar in a hooker town, pretend that you didn't know she was pay-for-play, and then write about it on a hooker board. [/quote]i agree 1000. i'm sure if we all had our choice we wouldn't pay for it but like you said. we are in a hooker bar in a hooker town, you need to negotiate from the get go so your time is not wasted and hers. it is what it is.

[QUOTE=Chief Justice;1142896]I think pussy just like everything has to go up. I been going to sosua for about 3. 5 years and TLN has been $1500 so eventually it will go to $2000/2500K. It is what it is. Lots of these chicas are getting more educated as far as reading what chicas in other countries are getting and other mongers snitching. Etc. And yes the element of european money being heavier is a factor too. Another factor is the NEW YORK Black Americans going to D. R. And trying to act like P Diddy. Its a known fact in Sosua that Black Americans from NY pay the most.[/QUOTE]I agree with you to a point with some of what you said, Now the part about Black Americans from N. Y. Pay the most, I think your wrong! It's looks, charm, and some type of vibe between chica and Monger. My 6 years of going to D. R. I nor my boys paid 3000 for TLN. I have paid anywhere from 800-2000 depending on the girl. I have seen, read, and heard of Euro Mongers pay those high prices, and newbies that don't know the game of mongering. For you to come out of your neck to say N. Y. Black Americans pay the most you sound like a fool. Anyone going done there that doesn't know anything are going to pay high prices is what you should have said.

[QUOTE=Bkgee;1142934]I agree with you to a point with some of what you said, Now the part about Black Americans from N. Y. Pay the most, I think your wrong! It's looks, charm, and some type of vibe between chica and Monger. My 6 years of going to D. R. I nor my boys paid 3000 for TLN. I have paid anywhere from 800-2000 depending on the girl. I have seen, read, and heard of Euro Mongers pay those high prices, and newbies that don't know the game of mongering. For you to come out of your neck to say N. Y. Black Americans pay the most you sound like a fool. Anyone going done there that doesn't know anything are going to pay high prices is what you should have said.[/QUOTE].

It is young black Americans from New York, not black American from New York, the older generation knows the game. So, if there's a fool, it's not the guy you answered to but the putas in Sosua. They're the one saying that stuff.

As for the look, charm and vibe as you put it, I haven't seen a lot of it in my seven trip to DR, but I've seen a lot of ugly, old, fat and obnoxious around. We get laid there because we have money.

[QUOTE=Rebel Monger; 1143025].

It is young black Americans from New York, not black American from New York, the older generation knows the game. So, if there's a fool, it's not the guy you answered to but the putas in Sosua. They're the one saying that stuff.

As for the look, charm and vibe as you put it, I haven't seen a lot of it in my seven trip to DR, but I've seen a lot of ugly, old, fat and obnoxious around. We get laid there because we have money. [/QUOTE]

You really can't rely on what the chicas say about these things. Nearly every chica tells me that she doesn't like the young black Americans, but my interpretation is this:

1. Sure, and if your client is a young black American you are probably telling him you can't stand the older, white guys.

Or.

2. She is telling the truth, but I always get the chicas who prefer older white guys, so they are a self selected chica population.

I suspect that just as we have certain kinds of chicas we prefer, the chicas have certain kinds of clients they prefer to entertain, not so much from the point of view of sexual attraction, but from the point of view of hourly rate of peso compensation relative to amount of work required. To a great extent they can select the clients they want by making eye contact, smiling etc, or alternatively not making eye contact with clients they would prefer to avoid.

How about Asian Americans? I am thinking of doing my first Caribbean mongering excursion in Sosua after much experience in Asian. Would chica try to charge me premium because I am Asian who doesn't speak Spanish well? Is it even a good idea for me to monger in Sosua or should I just stick with Asia? Thank you guys

[quote=monger2012;1143068]how about asian americans? i am thinking of doing my first caribbean mongering excursion in sosua after much experience in asian. would chica try to charge me premium because i am asian who doesn't speak spanish well? is it even a good idea for me to monger in sosua or should i just stick with asia? thank you guys[/quote]a chica will try to charge a premium to anyone who they think will pay a premium.

how many times do i have to explain this? a free lance chica is just a woman trying to make some money to get by. she is not a licensed professional like a hair stylist in the usa, or a taxi driver operating off a fixed tariff, so the idea of "going rates" can only be an approximation.

it is important to understand this concept, that the chicas are not just a business. if they were just a business, it might make sense for her economically to charge 750 pesos and to go with a different guy every 30 minutes. she could set up appointments like a hair stylist. but this is not how the dominican chicas operate and if a freelance chica operated in this manner it would be bad for her self esteem and her peer group status.

all you can say is that in sosua a guy can easily have sex with a fairly attractive freelance chica for 2000 pesos or less, maybe even 1000 pesos. possibly even free if she sees you as a longer term revenue source. however, if you are offering 1000 pesos and another guy is right there offering 1500 pesos, then you are probably out of luck.

market forces apply and the actual price you will pay will depend not on your race or language skills, but on how much you want to pay, the level of attractiveness of the chica you want to go with, and whether she thinks she can get more from other clients.

now, if you are dealing with a brothel, then it is a business, for example la passion massage, where you can go and have sex with a girl for a set price that includes the room. the price for straight sex is 2500 pesos. if you had to rent a short term room elsewhere i think you would pay 400 pesos, so you are paying about 2100 pesos for sex and this includes a profit for the house. but you are getting a bit of a discount because these chicas may be having sex several times a day, and this is a full time job for them.

so you might say that you should then definitely pay less than 2100 pesos to any freelancer, since you can have sex with an attractive young woman for that price which includes a third party profit. that might be a reasonable argument, though personally i would rather have sex with a freelancer who may not have had sex for several days and who may be feeling quite horny, as opposed to a la passion girl who may just have got out of the shower with her last client, for all i know.

in reality negotiation is complicated by the fact that if you are at a bar sharing a drink with an attractive young woman, she is stroking your thigh, looking into your eyes, kissing your lips, and you have an erection, you are sharing jokes, and you actually like her, it can be difficult to then send her away and summon another applicant simply over a difference of a few hundred pesos-and the girls know it.

on the asian thing, dominicans are somewhat racist in their speech by prevailing us standard of etiquette. they will address strangers as "gordo" (=fatty) , or "morena" (= brown girl) , or "negrita" (=black girl) , or "flacita" (=skinny) , without a second thought. caucasians are "gringos" or "gringas". if you are an asian, you will probably be "el chino" (=chink). the lowest term of all is "hatiano" or "hatiana" (=haitian) , which in dominican terms is really scraping the barrel.

get used to it and ignore it. it doesn't mean any personal.

as to whether you would be better off mongering in asia as opposed to sosua, you will have to work out your own personal equation.

variables will include:

a) a cost of travel. asia is further away, airfares may cost more (depending on where you are in the us) and the travel time is longer.

be) type of girls you want to have sex with. girls in sosua are mostly brown-skinned of partial african descent, either dominican or haitian. there are no oriental girls. girls in asia are almost exclusively asian.

see) language. if you already speak an asian language and can go somewhere where you can use it, clearly this is a huge advantage. spanish, on the other hand, is fairly easy to pick up as much of the vocabulary is closely related to english vocabulary. for example "dentista","policia","hospital","antibiotico","taxi","autobus","aeropuerto","restaurante", etc. are pretty straight forward, whereas the same words in mandarin chinese bear no resemblance at all to the english words and you can't even read the script. also, you can get by with just english in sosua as it is a tourist resort and there are people speaking english, spanish, italian, german, russian, french, swedish, etc. and they get by just fine.

all in all, i doubt whether a decision to go to sosua or to asia would depend on whether a girl might try to get an extra $15 out of you for sex.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1142899]Having said that, I did have some damn good sex in a brothel in Boca Chica just a couple of weeks ago for only 1000 pesos. However the price was agreed ahead of time, so there was no potential for conflict.[/QUOTE]Which casa was that? I will be in Boca Chica in a couple of weeks and might want to check it out. I tried the Pink House (across from El Candil) on my last trip but was less than impressed. I think it was more that the place didn't seem too clean as much as it was the chica although she was less than enthusiastic.

Speaking of pricing, the three times I walked by in the daytime the girls all offered 1000 pesos but as soon as one got me into the bar she tried to jack me up to 1500.

Thanks for your posts they are very insightful.

[QUOTE=Monger2012;1143068]How about Asian Americans? I am thinking of doing my first Caribbean mongering excursion in Sosua after much experience in Asian. Would chica try to charge me premium because I am Asian who doesn't speak Spanish well? Is it even a good idea for me to monger in Sosua or should I just stick with Asia? Thank you guys[/QUOTE]You should try Sosua. It is a totally different experience than Asian destinations. Spanish girls come in all sizes and color. Many girls from Santiago and La vega can be very fair with blondish natural hair.

Compared to asian girls tend to be fatter with big boobs and big ass.

Yes, girls will jack up the price for gullible ones or those who consider themselves to have hit a jacpot just because they have a pretty girl with them. Read all the reports in the forum and when you are there talk to fellow mongers to see what the going rate is. If you really like the girl you can overpay the girl. All mongers at one time or another have overpaid although many do not admit.

Beware of mercenary girls who say one thing and demand more in the room. I always believe discussing price in the bar as well as confirming it in the room including how long she stays. It is a business deal.

Girls in sosua and in Dominican republic have seen all sorts of guys. Black, white and in between.

Ofcourse they have their preferences. They may go with some and not go with some irrespective of how much money. It is not personal, just like you like some girls and not all.

In mongering never take anything personally. It is not like your GF is screwing somebody.

[QUOTE=Monger2012;1143068]How about Asian Americans? I am thinking of doing my first Caribbean mongering excursion in Sosua after much experience in Asian. Would chica try to charge me premium because I am Asian who doesn't speak Spanish well? Is it even a good idea for me to monger in Sosua or should I just stick with Asia? Thank you guys[/QUOTE]Bachata China Con Flow: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB56Zsa2rWA[/url]

Some of the lyrics: "Papi chulo soy yo" and "Sin agua, Sin luz" (no water and no electricity) , LOL.

Many Asians own pica pollo (fast food chicken) restaurants in DR. In the Jaragua casino in Santo Domingo (SDQ) , appears to me, over 60% of the people gambling at that casino are Asians. Some of the cabanas in SDQ are owned by Asians.

When you are in DR, some people may presume you are an Asian-Dominican.

[quote=bogiemaker; 1143222]which casa was that? i will be in boca chica in a couple of weeks and might want to check it out. i tried the pink house (across from el candil) on my last trip but was less than impressed. i think it was more that the place didn't seem too clean as much as it was the chica although she was less than enthusiastic.

speaking of pricing, the three times i walked by in the daytime the girls all offered 1000 pesos but as soon as one got me into the bar she tried to jack me up to 1500.

thanks for your posts they are very insightful. [/quote]i believe it was the pink house. just around the corner from costa lunga on the steep slope up towards villa florenzia?

i was walking past and of course they tried to lure me in. i said: "no way i don't want sex, i don't even like sex", but they insisted, as is their way, that i should i take a peek at the chicas who where there. i told them that all i had was a 1000 peso bill in my pants pocket (which was true-though i could have gone back to my hotel for more cash if so inclined.) they looked at each other, and said, well, ok. i think things were slow. don't remember the name of the girl. she was tallish, brown skin, and said she was (?) 26, anyway she was upper 20's. anyway she had a unique way of squeezing her pussy that was quite something (don't quite know how she did it) and it turned out to be a hell of a fuck that really hit the spot for me.

no the place wasn't that clean, come to think of it, but i get a kind of kick out of having nasty sex with strangers in sleazy places, so that isn't necessarily a negative for me.

i don't really care about getting rock bottom prices, but if it is important to you, the key is to be unconcerned, and be ready to walk if they cannot deliver at your price point.

to me the problem with negotiating a price that is too low is that the girl may be resentful or she may try to reopen negotiations after you thought it was settled, or she may start angling for excessive propina, taxi fares etc, or she may try to leave in a hurry, or rush to get the sex over. my preference is to get the price negotiations out of the way first and then get on with the sex and take my time.

to open negotiations i may ask them what kind of "gift" (=regalo) they are looking for. if they are asking more than i want to pay, i may work out some kind of bonus incentive scheme, that i will pay only so much, but if the sex is exceptionally good, then a bonus will be forthcoming. that tends to pre-empt renegotiation etc.

but the most important thing is to see whether you have a positive vibe with the girl in the first place. to me the question may be not which girl available is the best looking, but with which girl do i think i will have the best sexual experience, which is not necessarily the same thing. this doesn't mean that i seek out uglies either, but i tend to check out different girls to try to discern their character, sense of humour, whether they seem like a caring and considerate person, and so on.

of course when they are working as hookers they dress and act a role that may be quite different from the underlying personality and i like to try to get a sense of what makes them tick. not always successful, but that is the direction i go, because when you are one-on-one with them in the room you are dealing with an individual, not a public image, and it is what happens in the room that counts most.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1143323]I believe it was the Pink House. Just around the corner from Costa Lunga on the steep slope up towards Villa Florenzia?[/QUOTE]That would be the name of it.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1143323].........No the place wasn't that clean, come to think of it, but I get a kind of kick out of having nasty sex with strangers in sleazy places, so that isn't necessarily a negative for me............[/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO

[QUOTE=Bkgee;1142934]I agree with you to a point with some of what you said, Now the part about Black Americans from N. Y. Pay the most, I think your wrong! It's looks, charm, and some type of vibe between chica and Monger. My 6 years of going to D. R. I nor my boys paid 3000 for TLN. I have paid anywhere from 800-2000 depending on the girl. I have seen, read, and heard of Euro Mongers pay those high prices, and newbies that don't know the game of mongering. For you to come out of your neck to say N. Y. Black Americans pay the most you sound like a fool. Anyone going done there that doesn't know anything are going to pay high prices is what you should have said.[/QUOTE]I am quoting what the CHICAS say and I been told by other pple who LIVE there. Who have moved frm the states. Namely Jihad the owner of Sea Breeze. He s talks to chicas and mongers all the time and he has told me this myth more than once. It is what it is. Maybe you and your boys don't over pay but the rumor is BLACK AMERICAN NY'CANS PAY THE MOST.