Phnom Penh

So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Maybe I'm a little different than most here. I don't have months and years to live in these places as an expat, which is why I rarely post. But when I go, I do my research and make it count. This site is a big part of that research, BTW, so I want to give back a little. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm supremely picky. I'm looking for 9's and 10's, and would rather go home alone than accept anything less than an 8 in the looks department. But I also want the whole package. I've zeroed in on a looker, only to abandon plans if she didn't seem too into me (or at least acted like she was). If the enthusiasm isn't there at the bar, it won't get any better in bed. With that in mind, I had no problems finding 9 ladies, all good experiences. Limited mostly by tiring myself out with other activities rather than lack of choice (because I'm not just there for the sex). Ok, I guess if you count the two-girl threesome in PP, I guess it's only 8 encounters. Haha. But still.

I'm also not cheap. I don't quibble over a few dollars, and I don't mind paying premium for a premium experience. But I also always make an effort to bargain. Since about 95% of the providers frankly don't interest me, the ones who do tend to make high initial offers. Are they making a high offer because they know they can command a premium, or are they just throwing that out there to signal that they're not that interested in going home with me? The way to find out is if they signal a willingness to make a deal and counteroffer, or if they stick to their guns. If it's the latter, then I'm probably dealing with someone who'd rather do something else than go home with me, and the limited hours of my night are better spent looking elsewhere than continuing buying her drinks.

With all that in mind, of all the places I went.

Least productive: SR. There is some talent, if you can call it that. But very few, and nothing that meet my criteria. Didn't take the tuk tuk drivers up on their chicken farm offers, because usually that kind of thing turns into a wild goose chase. I saw some at the corner bars off Pub Street who I could easily have joined, but. Nah. Still, SR was magical. Especially now, without all the crowds. Everything is open but no crowds at all. Angkor is Zen-like, as it should be. Spent 5 days there and loved every minute. Just not a great place for P4 P.

Most choice: Well, BKK, hands down. I mean, nothing compares with just the sheer choice, sheer volume of opportunity. I don't care what anyone says. If you can't find what you're looking for in BKK, then there's no pleasing you.

But of all the places I went, it's the PP girls I still fantasize about. They're not nearly as jaded as the BKK girls, and what they lack in experience and menu of kinks on offer, they more than make up for in enthusiasm. Frankly, I don't ask them to do anything unsafe anyway, because I think that's just dumb. I just want as GFE-like an experience, while still being safe. And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.

Didn't need to venture out to Darlin Darlin or any nightclubs. I did walk to Cyrcee once, and didn't find anything interesting, so I walked back. Everything I wanted was right there on Streets 136 and 130. Right now the girl-guy ratio in PP is 10:1 or better, so if you want a 10/10, she's there, waiting for you. I quickly learned I need not be shy about going in to take a look at the goings on inside the bars, and walking right out if nothing interested me, rather than wasting my time. Frankly, most of the talent on offer is outside the bar -literally legions of them meowing their "hellos" at every passing guy. Of which there are so, so few right now, compared to BKK or Patt. And we're talking Friday, Saturday night.

Maybe it's rude to go in and look, and walk out without buying a drink, but whatever, I'm the customer. They know what they're here for and what I'm here for, so it's not the time to be shy. The only time it's really needed to go into a bar, is if you see someone outside and decide you want to get to know her over a drink. Better yet, sit outside so you can hear yourselves talk.

I will say this much. There is a best time, and it seems to be just after dinner, but not too late. You want things to get going, and the girls are usually having some dinner themselves early on. You don't want them to be hangry, because even bar girls need a break, right? At the same time, if you don't want to settle for just any warm body, the best of the lookers may be taken by later in the night. That's also why I'm a little skeptical of the strategy of going to the clubs later if you strike out. I mean, by then, you're also getting ladies who've struck out. Maybe I'm totally wrong and you get a whole different crowd. After all, I didn't venture that far. But it's hard to imagine how I could have improved on my choices from the hostess bars.

As far as where to stay, just look no further than S&M, one of the best run hotels around. Great rooms, awesome pool, decent breakfast. And why deal with tuk tuks and waste precious hunting time going far away, when S&M is just steps away from guy heaven? Be warned though, they will be sticklers for ID's. The aforementioned two-girl experience had to be moved off-site, because they had fake IDs and the hotel wouldn't budge on their policy. The place turned out to be a $10 flophouse a few doors down (they explained it's usually $5, but $10 because I'm bringing 2 girls). Turned out for the better, as one of them was on her period (yikes!) and wound up making a mess on the bed. I am so glad it wasn't my bed! But both of them were beautiful. One was 8/10 (the one on her period), the other was just 10/10. I mean drop dead gorgeous. The first one was the only one who spoke any English though, and she negotiated the whole deal.

I really didn't encounter the whole phenomenon of girls who just sling lady drinks and don't go with customers. Everyone I met was more than ready. Frankly I didn't see a whole lot of Asian guys, so if they're waiting for the Korean that's going to pay $300 for ST, good luck nabbing him. There's literally hundreds of girls on Street 136, and maybe a couple of those golden geese will come by on any given night. The closest I came to encountering that attitude was a beauty who looked all of 18, if that, but was 23 according to her ID. She spoke decent English, university educated, and gave me the line that she rarely goes with customers, but I think she was just trying to raise her perceived value. I do think she doesn't go with all customers -bar girls can be picky too. She turned out to be the gentlest, most amazing GFE experience I had on the whole trip.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.

[QUOTE=BRCitizen;2774670]So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.[/QUOTE]Good post and congratulations on successfully navigating the scene.

I think perhaps the best part of your strategy was only focusing on exactly what you wanted. Those prices you paid look fair for GFEs with 10's; they would only be bad value if the women were unfriendly or unattractive. We have to allow for the fact that women who are younger, clearly prettier and just sweeter than the vast majority will know that they can command more.

But that is exactly the problem. We know it and the 10's know it, but the hardcore old slappers with aggressive attitudes don't always accept it. It's when they want the same (often unionised by the mama-sans) that punters start asking, Is this good value? Or bemused, they walk away.

You make a good point about how when women won't negotiate that they are quoting a fuck-off price. And it's always better to move on. Tell them what you pay before they can mention prices. Let them know your budget. It's called anchoring.

[QUOTE=MeoDen;2774711]Good post and congratulations on successfully navigating the scene.
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But that is exactly the problem. We know it and the 10's know it, but the hardcore old slappers with aggressive attitudes don't always accept it. It's when they want the same (often unionised by the mama-sans) that punters start asking, Is this good value? Or bemused, they walk away.

[/QUOTE]Thank you. And of course the other part of the equation that some guys forget, is the customer. Okay, so it's a service industry, and they're there to make some money. But it's not all about money. As anyone who worked in the service industry can tell you, some clients are just pleasant to work with, and that's when you really like your job. Other clients are difficult, ornery, or just plain gross, and you'd rather not see them for any kind of money.

I try my best to be the first kind. You can't change your face or how old you are. But you can shower, shave, smile more, wear decent pants and shirt instead of cargo shorts. Just show like you're putting a little effort into the whole thing. Without looking too rich. There's a balance to be had.

[QUOTE=BRCitizen;2774670]So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Maybe I'm a little different than most here. I don't have months and years to live in these places as an expat, which is why I rarely post. But when I go, I do my research and make it count. This site is a big part of that research, BTW, so I want to give back a little. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm supremely picky. I'm looking for 9's and 10's, and would rather go home alone than accept anything less than an 8 in the looks department. But I also want the whole package. I've zeroed in on a looker, only to abandon plans if she didn't seem too into me (or at least acted like she was). If the enthusiasm isn't there at the bar, it won't get any better in bed. With that in mind, I had no problems finding 9 ladies, all good experiences. Limited mostly by tiring myself out with other activities rather than lack of choice (because I'm not just there for the sex). Ok, I guess if you count the two-girl threesome in PP, I guess it's only 8 encounters. Haha. But still.

I'm also not cheap. I don't quibble over a few dollars, and I don't mind paying premium for a premium experience. But I also always make an effort to bargain. Since about 95% of the providers frankly don't interest me, the ones who do tend to make high initial offers. Are they making a high offer because they know they can command a premium, or are they just throwing that out there to signal that they're not that interested in going home with me? The way to find out is if they signal a willingness to make a deal and counteroffer, or if they stick to their guns. If it's the latter, then I'm probably dealing with someone who'd rather do something else than go home with me, and the limited hours of my night are better spent looking elsewhere than continuing buying her drinks.

With all that in mind, of all the places I went.

Least productive: SR. There is some talent, if you can call it that. But very few, and nothing that meet my criteria. Didn't take the tuk tuk drivers up on their chicken farm offers, because usually that kind of thing turns into a wild goose chase. I saw some at the corner bars off Pub Street who I could easily have joined, but. Nah. Still, SR was magical. Especially now, without all the crowds. Everything is open but no crowds at all. Angkor is Zen-like, as it should be. Spent 5 days there and loved every minute. Just not a great place for P4 P.

Most choice: Well, BKK, hands down. I mean, nothing compares with just the sheer choice, sheer volume of opportunity. I don't care what anyone says. If you can't find what you're looking for in BKK, then there's no pleasing you.

But of all the places I went, it's the PP girls I still fantasize about. They're not nearly as jaded as the BKK girls, and what they lack in experience and menu of kinks on offer, they more than make up for in enthusiasm. Frankly, I don't ask them to do anything unsafe anyway, because I think that's just dumb. I just want as GFE-like an experience, while still being safe. And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.

Didn't need to venture out to Darlin Darlin or any nightclubs. I did walk to Cyrcee once, and didn't find anything interesting, so I walked back. Everything I wanted was right there on Streets 136 and 130. Right now the girl-guy ratio in PP is 10:1 or better, so if you want a 10/10, she's there, waiting for you. I quickly learned I need not be shy about going in to take a look at the goings on inside the bars, and walking right out if nothing interested me, rather than wasting my time. Frankly, most of the talent on offer is outside the bar -literally legions of them meowing their "hellos" at every passing guy. Of which there are so, so few right now, compared to BKK or Patt. And we're talking Friday, Saturday night.

Maybe it's rude to go in and look, and walk out without buying a drink, but whatever, I'm the customer. They know what they're here for and what I'm here for, so it's not the time to be shy. The only time it's really needed to go into a bar, is if you see someone outside and decide you want to get to know her over a drink. Better yet, sit outside so you can hear yourselves talk.

I will say this much. There is a best time, and it seems to be just after dinner, but not too late. You want things to get going, and the girls are usually having some dinner themselves early on. You don't want them to be hangry, because even bar girls need a break, right? At the same time, if you don't want to settle for just any warm body, the best of the lookers may be taken by later in the night. That's also why I'm a little skeptical of the strategy of going to the clubs later if you strike out. I mean, by then, you're also getting ladies who've struck out. Maybe I'm totally wrong and you get a whole different crowd. After all, I didn't venture that far. But it's hard to imagine how I could have improved on my choices from the hostess bars.

As far as where to stay, just look no further than S&M, one of the best run hotels around. Great rooms, awesome pool, decent breakfast. And why deal with tuk tuks and waste precious hunting time going far away, when S&M is just steps away from guy heaven? Be warned though, they will be sticklers for ID's. The aforementioned two-girl experience had to be moved off-site, because they had fake IDs and the hotel wouldn't budge on their policy. The place turned out to be a $10 flophouse a few doors down (they explained it's usually $5, but $10 because I'm bringing 2 girls). Turned out for the better, as one of them was on her period (yikes!) and wound up making a mess on the bed. I am so glad it wasn't my bed! But both of them were beautiful. One was 8/10 (the one on her period), the other was just 10/10. I mean drop dead gorgeous. The first one was the only one who spoke any English though, and she negotiated the whole deal.

I really didn't encounter the whole phenomenon of girls who just sling lady drinks and don't go with customers. Everyone I met was more than ready. Frankly I didn't see a whole lot of Asian guys, so if they're waiting for the Korean that's going to pay $300 for ST, good luck nabbing him. There's literally hundreds of girls on Street 136, and maybe a couple of those golden geese will come by on any given night. The closest I came to encountering that attitude was a beauty who looked all of 18, if that, but was 23 according to her ID. She spoke decent English, university educated, and gave me the line that she rarely goes with customers, but I think she was just trying to raise her perceived value. I do think she doesn't go with all customers -bar girls can be picky too. She turned out to be the gentlest, most amazing GFE experience I had on the whole trip.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.[/QUOTE]First I agree with you! I would much rather spend my time and d0 llars on a pleasant, fun, girl, than bargaining with hard core bar girls no matter what her "skill" level happens to be. That said, my one and only PP experience, (so far), was during a semi business type where I went with some Korean friends. My go to experience is in the KTV's where you can have fun, drink a bit, play and get to know your choice or choices for the night. Yes it is more expensive than just getting a quickie off the street but I don't travel on a budget and don't think I have the mind set to negotiate pussy prices with a bar girl. This may have been ok when I was in my 20's and all I cared about was getting my tool wet, (note that I lived in BKK for one year then). I don't go KTV alone and most of my experience, for the past 20 years, has been in China. However Xi and his crackdowns have put some of the venues out of business but still available if you are known or have friends as your guide. A few of us on this forum still remember the "good old days", in ChangPing or ChangAn.

I agree that PP is a good place to hang out. BKK may be more reliable, but PP is poorer, younger, slimmer (food costs), and the birds, even the stunners, have less choices. 136 street and surroundings are considered Western tourist territory. Don't be surprised to see few Asians. At the KTV there are more Asians. Cambodia's average age is 25 years. Plenty of 18 year olds come to PP, sleep in a joint dormitory / apartment with 10 other birds, and try their adventurous streak by sitting in a bar. I saw many young petite top lookers who called themselves originals (virgins) who don't go with men. That group exists. But I am sporty, lean, not young, not stingy and patient, don't drink, dress casually but in new, fresh outfits, and keep talking to them, and more times than not even the youngest and prettiest birds consented to going with me to my hotel room. Service levels vary, but to me half the fun is giving, is making the teenage girls cum after giving a good hot towel massage and using my tongue on hir vagina. Most girls can be wooed by patient carresses and loving touches. In PP condoms are optional. I salute the mate's caution, but I like it better without, especially given the low likelihood of an 18 year old cambodian girl to give me health problems is rather low. The best way to proceed is when a girl insists on a condom and you are lucky it breaks in her little womb. I have had this happen several times and the feeling was awesome. I made it last for as long as I could (did not CIP). Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.

Thank you Philosophus and BR Citizen! Great Reports.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2775161]Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.[/QUOTE]Interesting idea- I've heard about the local brothels before but never located them. I was also advised not to enlist tuktuk drivers and find the spots myself on a moto as the tuktuk driver could make trouble or overcharge.

I'm assuming the deed was done on site? What percentage of ladies did you have to wade through before you found something to your standards?

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2775161]I agree that PP is a good place to hang out. BKK may be more reliable, but PP is poorer, younger, slimmer (food costs), and the birds, even the stunners, have less choices. 136 street and surroundings are considered Western tourist territory. Don't be surprised to see few Asians. At the KTV there are more Asians. Cambodia's average age is 25 years. Plenty of 18 year olds come to PP, sleep in a joint dormitory / apartment with 10 other birds, and try their adventurous streak by sitting in a bar. I saw many young petite top lookers who called themselves originals (virgins) who don't go with men. That group exists. But I am sporty, lean, not young, not stingy and patient, don't drink, dress casually but in new, fresh outfits, and keep talking to them, and more times than not even the youngest and prettiest birds consented to going with me to my hotel room. Service levels vary, but to me half the fun is giving, is making the teenage girls cum after giving a good hot towel massage and using my tongue on hir vagina. Most girls can be wooed by patient carresses and loving touches. In PP condoms are optional. I salute the mate's caution, but I like it better without, especially given the low likelihood of an 18 year old cambodian girl to give me health problems is rather low. The best way to proceed is when a girl insists on a condom and you are lucky it breaks in her little womb. I have had this happen several times and the feeling was awesome. I made it last for as long as I could (did not CIP). Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.[/QUOTE]So you paid 70 $ for a shag at a local brothel?

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2775532]So you paid 70 $ for a shag at a local brothel?[/QUOTE]I'm thinking they were serving "cheese pizza", hence the mark up.

Incl. Tuktuk driver fee I paid more to the tune of 90 US $ for a 3 h stint with a girl from a brothel off 136 street. I had her several times. The number of brothels we "visited" was 12 or so. They were all open air, open shed, or on motoped / tuk tuk. They were all pretty run down, and none of the young birds met my criteria except one, a 19 yo 5 ft. 75 lb small tit spinner with shapely feet, hands and long hair and a pretty face. She had had a boyfriend and was experienced and easy with having sex. I asked the driver for a small slim girl who is ok with not using a condom and after a long, interesting tuk tuk tour he found her. She worked at a sneaker factory for 130 US $ a month in a 40 h workweek. I asked her why she would not sit in a bar at 136 street. She answered she was no good at conversing in English and at marketing herself. She was a sweet gal. Not shy. Showered together, braided her hair for me, shaved her pussy completely upon request, yam yam, boom boom, cuni, cif, rimming and penetration anywhere. She came naturally various times and seemed to enjoy her Western debut experience. 3 h time in one of the best hotel rooms near the river with balcony etc. Impressed her. We went for dinner each time after sex. Hunting at 136 street takes also effort, no question. To throw a good party in a bar sets you back 50 bucks. But if your manner is nice and if you have game and look nice (I am too old to be considered "handsome", but I am authetic I guess), the few pretty ones will get interested, especially if you try several nights. Always a good idea to let the mama san know who you need so she can help motivate her to take the plunge. I had a girl of similar looks (5 ft3, no fat no tit stunner) who was more into herself and her beauty and her purity, much less willing to give during sex play, but surely impressable and orgasmic a few times, easily the prettiest girl in the bar and then some, but there were surely 5 birds of equal quality in the river bars, but I could not get them to give in or did not try for lack of time. So, yes, I chose among the 1 in 200 and the 5 in 500. Takes effort.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2775714]I'm thinking they were serving "cheese pizza", hence the mark up.[/QUOTE]Must be a giant pizza.

Anyone know where any of the girls who worked at Same Same But Different bar on Street 110 are working? It was near those Korean / Japanese bars on 110.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2774563]It's too late bro! The cat has long been out of the bag regarding the delights of Brazil. If there's any consolation for the Western monger, it is that Brazil (and Latin America as a whole) shall remain within his sphere of control since the Koreans and the Chinese are not about to be arriving in droves anytime soon. Why, for many of them (Asians) Brazil is literally on the other side of the world! I as a monger cede Asia to the Asian then, but I stand ready to defend my backyard territory. Besides, I'm not attracted to most Asian women anyway hehehe! Give me the white girls and the Latinas LOL![/QUOTE]No need to cede anything to anyone IMO and my experience in Asia (prob 200 bargirls) the westerner is typically really going to be preferred 9 out of 10 times.

Unless I figure you're a fat slobbering drunk like our YTube friend "fast Eddie".

They really prefer us, there's a very good reason a certain crowd needs to overpay them.

The other 1 out of 10 times she is a shark waiting for her prey, you know who she's waiting for, just move on.

Thanks for the post.

Would anyone know of an app that you can use to order a Mercedes BMW or Porsche SUV Uber like service espec to and from the airport?

Yes I know PP is not NYC but I read on some travel forum some guy was using a service that only used Lexus SUVs so why not German SUVs?

Much of Asia loves German cars.

M de Sade, your PM inbox is full.