[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1846611]I am paying $1900/year in rent now. [/QUOTE]Wow that is cheap! I assume the pic you attached are photos of you apartment building? Not bad at all for that price.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1846611]I am paying $1900/year in rent now. [/QUOTE]Wow that is cheap! I assume the pic you attached are photos of you apartment building? Not bad at all for that price.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1846611]And you have to figure that I am paying $1900/year in rent now. [/QUOTE]Exchange rate changed. Looks like 54,000 baht/year is now US $1518.
One is of man, a world where man is preeminent and judgmental and the world of nature where man is only a small part of reality. The real world encompassing everything and then a secondary man's world in which we destroy much of the earth w / our pursuits of life as it is designed in modern times. So are we any smarter socially for what we've been through?
The first part of your description is spot on but your opinion at the end is sad. It's sad that we as mongers knowing what we know still think bar girls are less than we are, a blight on society. It's sad that really smart guys here (in 2016) promote the old fashion prejudices of working girls. It's sad that an older guy gets put down because he's happy and wants to go out w / his GF, hooker, daughter, etc. A harmless act of having fun w / another human being is thought of as rude or low class. This is the sad aspect of man's world and it just won't go away.
Promoting old fashion stereotypes about working ladies is terrible for this hobby. It's terrible for the guys in it today and it's especially bad for the guys who will want to rent some pussy in 20 years from now. When we promote negative old fashion put downs we are shitting where we eat. We are not leaving the pristine camp ground the way we found it for those who follow. For me this is inexcusable and I hope some minds can be changed here about our hobby.
If you're a monger and you treat people w / respect you are good for the natural world. Your money is being distributed to those less fortunate, to those who want to work and make good money, to people who are no better or worse than any other person on this earth. This is the truth.
This is really great info.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1848423]Yes, it's an integral part of society, at least "Thai-style" prostitution. However, the "Farang-style," I have long maintained, is an anachronism left over from the Vietnam war. Yes, it's a small part overall, but it's a very, very visible part. And, IMHO, an easy target.
There is no one thing that will kill off the Farang-style P4 P, but the writing's on the wall. Low unemployment, rising wages, bad attitudes, a change in the tourist demographic, all have been repeatedly discussed. Rising land values are making a huge dent in the viability of said venues. In the West, a place like Soi Cowboy would have been zoned (or eminent domain-ed) out of existence long ago.
But let's not overlook the religious aspect, especially concerning totalitarian regimes. Such regimes are extremely Puritanical. Look all over SEA for examples. A while back I showed the GF a video some clown had shot while wandering around lower Suk..[/QUOTE]This attitude helps no one. It's too bad so many share it.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1848423]I have never liked seeing some doddering fat fool dragging an obvious prostitute around town, acting proud. At home the guy wouldn't be caught dead taking some hooker with a 6th grade education around town and introducing her to his friends and business acquaintances. Neither would any respectable Thai.[/QUOTE]Do we know who this fool is or whether he lives there or not? He could be a wonderful man. He could be us in 20,30, or 40 years. The above sentiment comes straight of of the PC playbook. We need to let it go.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1848423]No, as long as there are men and women there will be prostitution. But I will be very surprised if the scene as it is today is around in 5 years. And, frankly, I wouldn't miss it. I prefer doing P4 P the way locals do it, regardless of the country. [/QUOTE]I would like to know the difference between Farang and local style P4P. This sounds interesting.
I do appreciate your insight but felt compelled to stick up for the fool.
For the last couple of weeks I have been seeing a regular chick who I met at the market. I just walked her outside because she is going to her room. We were in the elevator with a young white guy who lives in the same building. Him and my girl walked out the door together and I went back to my room. My girl just hit me and said the guy told her that I change ladies everyday. Good thing my game is tight. It seems she could care less. But damn dude; you would really do that?
[QUOTE=Socker;1848508]One is of man, a world where man is preeminent and judgmental and the world of nature where man is only a small part of reality. The real world encompassing everything and then a secondary man's world in which we destroy much of the earth w / our pursuits of life as it is designed in modern times. So are we any smarter socially for what we've been through?
The first part of your description is spot on but your opinion at the end is sad. It's sad that we as mongers knowing what we know still think bar girls are less than we are, a blight on society. It's sad that really smart guys here (in 2016) promote the old fashion prejudices of working girls. It's sad that an older guy gets put down because he's happy and wants to go out w / his GF, hooker, daughter, etc. A harmless act of having fun w / another human being is thought of as rude or low class. This is the sad aspect of man's world and it just won't go away..[/QUOTE]I'll preface my remarks by stating that I speak in generalities and that nothing should be construed as anything personal.
First, I'll point out that it's the Thai's sandbox, not ours. They made their society and their rules for comportment, not us. Personally, I have had a belly full of seeing tourists from the West running around various and sundry "backward" countries and telling them how they should structure their society. Euro-babes run around beaches with their tits flopping around, locals get mortally offended and somehow it's the locals who are wrong because they don't agree with their "enlightened" sisters from "better, more socially advanced" countries. By the same token, Thais consider it extremely bad form to drag around a very low class (their words, not mine) hooker in public. This sort of behavior, among other things, contributes to the very low opinion of farang that many Thai now share. We can preach until we're blue about equality, economic opportunity, prejudices, etc. , et. , to the locals but that just serves to reinforce the notion that Westerners are arrogant and chock-full of hubris.
When I travel I try to keep foremost in my mind that I am a guest of that country. I try, within reason, to avoid behavior that is generally offensive to the locals and to never do something that I wouldn't do at home. I wish more tourists did the same, and I really, really wish more visitors to the USA did the same. So, for that reason I don't care where the "old fool" came from or whether he's a nice guy. His behavior ranges from confusing to offensive to locals. There is no need for it. The Thais tend to ignore whatever happens behind closed doors, but to rub their nose in it is wrong, IMHO. I am the most un-PC guy I know. Political Correctness is another word for "Thought Control. " If you can't say the word, eventually you'll stop thinking it. Acting like a guest, being polite, respecting a different culture, is simply good manners, not political correctness. Such behavior redounds to the benefit of all farang. The "it's my vacation, my money, I'll act however I please" attitude is simply arrogant adolescence, too often displayed by people far removed from their adolescence. And I've been as guilty as anybody.
Second, what I meant by local-style P4 P is that it's all much more discreet. The in-your-face Go-go bar is a 100% American concept (or at least 100% Western). Thais like massage parlors, karaoke bars, that sort of thing. The reason is that the men can go hang out with hookers, but "polite society" won't see them carousing with them. A Thai guy may go to a "hostess bar" and take a girl "upstairs," but he'll never drag her all over town. To do so would invite serious loss of face, serious opprobrium from his superiors, maybe worse. Yes, that seems silly to visiting farang, but it's not our sandbox. As far as Modus Operandi goes, I rather like the Asian method of going into a venue, having a drink or 3, being entertained by a nice lady, maybe discreetly popping out to a hotel. The main barrier for farang in Thailand is the language barrier. Myanmar is a good place for this.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1849750]As far as Modus Operandi goes, I rather like the Asian method of going into a venue, having a drink or 3, being entertained by a nice lady, maybe discreetly popping out to a hotel.[/QUOTE]Absolutely!
Whenever I take a girl out of an agogo club, she will dress in her "street clothes", mostly t-shirt and jeans. Then we walk to my hotel, not holding hands or hugging in public. She walks besides me or slightly behind me. Just two people walking in the same direction. I couldn't care less whether I'm seen with her or not or whether anyone would guess I've just hired her for the night or not or what we will do once the door of my room closes behind us. I'm not part of Thai society so I'm not bothered at all. But the girl is part of Thai society and she will be subject to its rules. It is only a respectful thing to do, not to make her uneasy.
Yes, I paid her, but does that give me the right to embarass her in public? I say it doesn't.
Anybody been here: [URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/travel/asia-best-restaurant-gaggan/[/URL]? I didn't know about this place when I was in Thailand. Had I then I very well may have tried it out.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846620]Dalat does have a great climate, but it is a bit on the humid side. Love Denver and other high desert cities myself. Yep, when and if and Korea opens up then it will be good for at least a few years. Actually some good peaks in Northern Burma as well.[/QUOTE]Senor Goat, please delete some of your email. I'm sending you a PM but it's bouncing.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1850505]Senor Goat, please delete some of your email. I'm sending you a PM but it's bouncing.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1849462]For the last couple of weeks I have been seeing a regular chick who I met at the market. I just walked her outside because she is going to her room. We were in the elevator with a young white guy who lives in the same building. Him and my girl walked out the door together and I went back to my room. My girl just hit me and said the guy told her that I change ladies everyday. Good thing my game is tight. It seems she could care less. But damn dude; you would really do that?[/QUOTE]That's messed up. That fuckin' asshole. As if he doesn't fuck around too.
But was the girl still drunk in the afternoon? I ask because she said you were a handsome man. LOL.
I've seen more than a few girls with names tattoo'd on their left hand between the thumb and first finger. Is that a pimp stamp?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1852373]I've seen more than a few girls with names tattoo'd on their left hand between the thumb and first finger. Is that a pimp stamp?[/QUOTE]I think that's their kid names. I asked one, she said it was her kid. Who knows though. Prison tat style.
Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.
Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.
Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.
Some of Thailands most beautiful and sexy woman. Most ladies in bars and gogo's can't compete with these sexy girls.
[URL]https://youtu.be/J2hA96MLF6k[/URL]
[QUOTE=AsianVid;1852577]Some of Thailands most beautiful and sexy woman. Most ladies in bars and gogo's can't compete with these sexy girls.
[URL]https://youtu.be/J2hA96MLF6k[/URL][/QUOTE]And on the other side of the scope. An average Joe like us on ISG, can only watch the video!