Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2779649]Thanks again for the detailed description of what to expect at Inchon. Changing planes in any new airport with a short connection can give someone old like me a heart attack! Getting stuck at an airport is not something I looked forward to even on the best of times. Now days it's a nightmare.

I even checked my seats again on Asiana because I made the selection on the United website in October. Guess what! The seat selections I had made then were cancelled and trying to make the selection on the United website was impossible. I had to call both Asiana and Thai Air to get seat assignments. As soon as I made the calls, the seat assignments showed up on the United website in minutes! Back in October the flights were pretty much empty, but now the reservation agents I spoke to today said the flights were book solid!

I really appreciate your guidance and assistance on this information.[/QUOTE]Both of my legs were on A-380's (do love that top deck), and both were packed, at least in economy (aka "My people").

One last FANTASTIC advantage of Asiana is their entertainment choices (and I'm not talking about the strolling stews). Typical seatback screens in economy, but check out the Korean movies. I'm a BIG fan of Korean TV series and Korean movies. Brilliant writing. I can't sleep on flights these days, but the Korean movies keep me entertained for the FULL flight. They provide a short written (English) abstract of the movie (English subtitles, I bring my glasses). I use my own headphones (one prong) along with the adapter for connecting to a plane's entertainment (2 prongs).

What are the odds I could find a doctor in Bangkok that I could bribe to get me a yellow fever exemption? Going to be visiting Nairobi for a bit where there's virtually no risk of yellow fever, but Thailand still requires a yellow fever vaccine certificate. Would like to throw some baht at the problem and be on my way. Should I just find a doctor out in the Issan region?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2779570]What you are saying is there isn't much mongering outside of the specialized mongering sites (Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket, etc). In real life, Thai bars do have ladies, but for drinks only. Ladies don't go with Thai customers in the bar. If they want to go, arrangements will be made. Sometimes a bargirl will become a mia noi for a customer, which takes her off the market.[/QUOTE]That is more-or-less what I'm saying. I have managed to get laid at massage places far away from tourist areas, but there were few choices and no hotties. I'm not a bar type of person (I'll drink water), but there were a couple times where 1 or 2 girls seemed available in restaurants away from tourist zones.

Hi friends,

Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2779750]Hi friends,

Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Just ask any bargirl to bring a friend for that but make sure she does not bring a chick with a dick! And discuss beforehand what they will both be doing during your session so you do not get robbed.

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2779750]Hi friends,

Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Short answer: Tulip.

I see a lot of Western men in Bangkok age 50-65 with Thai girls age 20-25, walking in malls, eating in restaurants, talking a lot.

Is this a super long? How much does it cost then?

Or they really have built relations?

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2779741]What are the odds I could find a doctor in Bangkok that I could bribe to get me a yellow fever exemption? Going to be visiting Nairobi for a bit where there's virtually no risk of yellow fever, but Thailand still requires a yellow fever vaccine certificate. Would like to throw some baht at the problem and be on my way. Should I just find a doctor out in the Issan region?[/QUOTE]What's the issue with getting vaccinated? May be cheaper.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2779741]What are the odds I could find a doctor in Bangkok that I could bribe to get me a yellow fever exemption? Going to be visiting Nairobi for a bit where there's virtually no risk of yellow fever, but Thailand still requires a yellow fever vaccine certificate. Would like to throw some baht at the problem and be on my way. Should I just find a doctor out in the Issan region?[/QUOTE]I went to Ethiopia last month, no certificate. Upon my return, I had to get a form in the airport. No big deal.

[QUOTE=IanOxon;2779830]What's the issue with getting vaccinated? May be cheaper.[/QUOTE]Side effects. They don't recommend it (unless you go to a really affected area) if you are over 60.

Colombia requires it if you come from Brazil. I guess Thailand requires it if you come from some of the African countries.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2779850]Side effects. They don't recommend it (unless you go to a really affected area) if you are over 60.

Colombia requires it if you come from Brazil. I guess Thailand requires it if you come from some of the African countries.[/QUOTE]I got the Stamaril vaccine back in 2021 when I was 66. It is good for 10 years so I doubt I'll need another. I got it as Costa Rica required it if you were flying in from Colombia. No issues not even any soreness. I know side effects will vary from person to person but I would not want to get caught with fraudulent travel documentation. I would rather risk the side effects than the possibility of a Thai lockup.

Thanks bro.

[QUOTE=DCups;2779786]Just ask any bargirl to bring a friend for that but make sure she does not bring a chick with a dick! And discuss beforehand what they will both be doing during your session so you do not get robbed.[/QUOTE]

Thanks bro.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2779804]Short answer: Tulip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2779717]Both of my legs were on A-380's (do love that top deck), and both were packed, at least in economy (aka "My people").

One last FANTASTIC advantage of Asiana is their entertainment choices (and I'm not talking about the strolling stews). Typical seatback screens in economy, but check out the Korean movies. I'm a BIG fan of Korean TV series and Korean movies. Brilliant writing. I can't sleep on flights these days, but the Korean movies keep me entertained for the FULL flight. They provide a short written (English) abstract of the movie (English subtitles, I bring my glasses). I use my own headphones (one prong) along with the adapter for connecting to a plane's entertainment (2 prongs).[/QUOTE]How are the English language selections on the Asiana flights? I don't go to the movies now days and watch most of the "current" movies on airlines. Most of the time I just read a book or listen to my music collection! Being old, I fall a sleep easily on the flights in the past, but now I have to get the circulation moving by standing and stretching. Once on the plane, I can zone out rather quickly.

Does anyone know how the new restaurants are on Soi 11? I see that there is a new Jamacian restaurant and a Moon Muum restaurant near Oskar. My favorite Mexican restaurant next to Oskar is now gone and replaced by a night club. Any other new restaurants on Soi 11? I was wondering how the food was in these new dining options. I am happy that the German Beerhouse up the street is still there as I enjoy eating there a couple of times while visiting BKK.

Additionally, I enjoy a cigar occasionally while on vacation and was wondering if there were any locations near Soi 11 that will allow smoking them. I noticed that the MJ dealers are dealing right on the street out of vans all over the city, so I hope people will be more tolerant of my cigars!

Thanks for any assistance and advice!

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2779750]Hi friends,

Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.

Cheers![/QUOTE]As already said: Tulip.

But the most important thing: be clear what you want. Don't be shy. Say it. Directly. Be clear. The girls will do whatever you want. If you want them to do lesbian, make sure to say so, if you want a position or anything, say so. Whatever your threesome fantasies or just whatever you feel at the time is available, but the girls will just do their thing unless you say otherwise, and again its OK to say otherwise and they fully expect you to say what you want.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2779954]How are the English language selections on the Asiana flights? I don't go to the movies now days and watch most of the "current" movies on airlines. Most of the time I just read a book or listen to my music collection! Being old, I fall a sleep easily on the flights in the past, but now I have to get the circulation moving by standing and stretching. Once on the plane, I can zone out rather quickly.[/QUOTE]Downloaded list here.

[URL]https://flyasiana.com/C/US/EN/contents/contents[/URL]

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2779750]Hi friends,

Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.

Cheers![/QUOTE]I've had quite recent 3 some success at LaBelle and Poseidon. I only ever had two really good 3 somes. One at GoldenTime in Vienna and one at FKK Palace in Frankfurt. I also had a really good 3 girls+me hour with 3 girls in Denmark. Thinking of it I had a good 3 some in Geneva as well. And a few more. Anyway: Don't expect too much. Still, I understand the temptation. I have only one left on my bucket list: twins. Or triplets (.

[QUOTE=Johnti;2779806]I see a lot of Western men in Bangkok age 50-65 with Thai girls age 20-25, walking in malls, eating in restaurants, talking a lot.

Is this a super long? How much does it cost then?

Or they really have built relations?[/QUOTE]Where is your head? What kind of place do you think BKK is? They are all fathers out with their daughters, mom back home cooking and cleaning. Cost is a lifetime of support.

Or maybe the men are [I]super long[/I]?

Actually, the only requirement is, as you say, talking a lot.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2779957]Does anyone know how the new restaurants are on Soi 11? I see that there is a new Jamacian restaurant and a Moon Muum restaurant near Oskar. My favorite Mexican restaurant next to Oskar is now gone and replaced by a night club. Any other new restaurants on Soi 11? I was wondering how the food was in these new dining options. I am happy that the German Beerhouse up the street is still there as I enjoy eating there a couple of times while visiting BKK.

Additionally, I enjoy a cigar occasionally while on vacation and was wondering if there were any locations near Soi 11 that will allow smoking them. I noticed that the MJ dealers are dealing right on the street out of vans all over the city, so I hope people will be more tolerant of my cigars!

Thanks for any assistance and advice![/QUOTE]I came across a place deep inside soi11 called Havana Social. Its a hidden bar with so signage, an obscure door. Excellent rums and ofcourse cigars from all over. Some very expensive. You can search the place on google.

[QUOTE=IanOxon;2779830]What's the issue with getting vaccinated? May be cheaper.[/QUOTE]Don't want to really risk losing limited vacation time to side effects when the area in question has nearly no risk of yellow fever.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2779714]Maybe it's just me, but the only thing I notice when sitting on the couch getting a BJ is the top of the head bobbing up and down, and tops look the same to me. If it helps, Meet the World dims the lights when the deck is cleared for action [S]...[/S] World also serves BJ's in bar; FS if you choose but I availed myself of the bed in the alcove, curtains drawn for the FS. If you still need some distractions, then ring the bell and be treated to a [I]swarm[/I], you'll have a face full of boobs or more heads bobbing below your chin as they tongue your nipples.

You are. Remember, it's BUSINESS. Yes, you can have fun, a LOT of fun, but the bottom line is, you're looking to sign a contract as is she. If you can agree, fine. If not, as Yul Brynner told Eli Wallach in [I]The Magnificent Seven[/I], [I]"Ride on" [/I].

All benefit, newbees and veterans, different set of eyes, different places visited.

Crap, I'm happy with a new temple [S]... [/S].[/QUOTE]Meet the world sounds worth a visit for sure. Honestly, I have no idea how I'll like the experience, but there's only one way to find out.

You were definitely right about Soi cowboy. It wasn't any where near what I was expecting. Thanks for the push, I hope a full report will suffice as my payment. Too much to do today so that will have to wait.

Well, my take is if you've seen one temple, you've seen them all. I'm not one for the standard tourist attractions, they've always felt dead and lifeless. Food, activities and now X-rated indulgences are more my speed. Plus being a good 2-3 decades younger than some of the veterans on here, so I just want to retain my 'hansum' status.

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2779750]Hi friends,

Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Any massage parlor that has 4 hands massage with full service. That said, there's more to a good experience than just having 2 girls. My experience was a little disappointing, but it made me understand what it is I want from a threesome. If you know exactly what you want, it will be easier to arrange.

[QUOTE=Johnti;2779806]I see a lot of Western men in Bangkok age 50-65 with Thai girls age 20-25, walking in malls, eating in restaurants, talking a lot.

Is this a super long? How much does it cost then?

Or they really have built relations?[/QUOTE]They might be friends, girlfriends, sugar babies, or perhaps products of mongering from decades past.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2779954]How are the English language selections on the Asiana flights? I don't go to the movies now days and watch most of the "current" movies on airlines. Most of the time I just read a book or listen to my music collection! Being old, I fall a sleep easily on the flights in the past, but now I have to get the circulation moving by standing and stretching. Once on the plane, I can zone out rather quickly.[/QUOTE]Quite an extensive selection, Hollywood plus Classics, [I]Casablanca[/I] when I flew in November. My complaint with a number of Hollywood "airline" movies is the disclaimer "Movie has been edited [S]...[/S]".

Link here, accurate depending on when your flight is:

[URL]https://flyasiana.com/C/US/EN/contents/contents[/URL]

The link is a pdf file, attached.

I will also say, definitely check out the Korean movies. I really enjoyed [I]Run-Off[/I], older movie, 2016, but VERY entertaining, Korea's first female Olympic Ice Hockey team. Like the first [I]Rocky[/I], but for team sports, predictable but nicely written. Hey, I was cheering for them by the end [S]...[/S]. Some of the movies can be quite surprising. I saw [I]I Can Speak[/I] on an Asiana flight several years ago and was stunned, brilliant movie, made a left turn I did NOT see coming, not something you'd expect for an airline movie.

I am here now just around the corner from Soi11 on Soi 13. There is a new restaurant on Soi 11 called Wine Connection, which also has a similar restaurant in Pattaya. I ate at Oskars last night and had the smoked salmon and anchovies / bacon salad and a glass of Argentine wine for $20 with tax.

Charlie Brown, formerly of Soi 11, is now located off Soi 19. I had a pretty good enchilada dish there last Sunday. There are several Italian and sushi restaurants on Soi 31, which is about a 20 minute walk or less with a Grab car. I don't think Soi 11 is the best place to find good cuisine overall and recommend you look a bit off from those locales like Soi 31. Soi 8 has Monsoon, not new but consistent food-service. I also like the German restaurant next to Trendy on Soi 13.

To be honest, I am finding the choices here on balance in this area to be drab and uninspiring. Like there is no motivation for the owners to improve.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2779957]Does anyone know how the new restaurants are on Soi 11? I see that there is a new Jamacian restaurant and a Moon Muum restaurant near Oskar. My favorite Mexican restaurant next to Oskar is now gone and replaced by a night club. Any other new restaurants on Soi 11? I was wondering how the food was in these new dining options. I am happy that the German Beerhouse up the street is still there as I enjoy eating there a couple of times while visiting BKK.

Additionally, I enjoy a cigar occasionally while on vacation and was wondering if there were any locations near Soi 11 that will allow smoking them. I noticed that the MJ dealers are dealing right on the street out of vans all over the city, so I hope people will be more tolerant of my cigars!

Thanks for any assistance and advice![/QUOTE]

[B]6 Jan[/B]

My last report ended with me contemplating hitting a soapy, which is what I did. I decided on [B]Poseidon[/B], which has a rather grand entrance that lead you to a fish bowl. I was offered a drink and then explained their rather complex pricing system, which had a bunch of different letters. I decided to just ask about the girls that caught my eye instead of trying to understand this algebra problem on my own. I quite liked the fish bowl experience where the girls are sitting somewhat comfortably and there's less pressure than the line up at a massage parlor. I followed my standard system of glancing across slowly looking for that flirtatious eye contact. I spent a couple minutes, just to check for consistency. Having made my decision, I was directed to what looked like a ticketing booth where I was asked to pay; the girl was an 'S' - 6 k. They told me they'd bring my beer up to the room.

The girl was very happy that I picked her, even gloating to her friend who responded with a middle finger. It was amusing and her energy was infectious. We spent a little while chatting while I finished my beer and ordered another to share with her. Spent a little time in the jacuzzi before she asked me to go to the bed. She is the hottest woman I've been with guaranteed, but her performance made for a really bad audition. Her acting was exaggerated and loud and her movements felt uncoordinated and lacked rhythm. The whole thing was so distracting that I wasn't sure I'd be able to maintain my turgor let alone finish. I had to block out the noise and just focus on how hot she was. Once we were dressed, she returned to her seat in the fish bowl and I took a seat at a table to finish my beer while waiting for my Grab taxi.

*Total Damages = 6140 - S girl + 2 Singha.

Off to [B]The PIMP[/B] to continue celebrating my success. Walking in with a suit turned almost every head in the live zone, probably just because it's unusual and not because I looked good or anything. Mamasan recognized me from my last visit and I asked for my girl from last time and let her pick a friend. VIP rooms have a 1 bottle minimum and you cannot opt for a tower of beer instead. Mamasan returned with my company for the evening. My girl was a ton of fun just like the last time, her friend was a bit of a wet blanket in comparison. She was a bikini girl which was a rank higher than my girl who was PR. There was a lot of drinking, dancing, karaoke and a sprinkling of rock, paper, scissors and dice games. The bikini girl had strong hands and my legs and shoulders were very happy. The girls led me out to the live zone a couple of times for the shows. This was 'Milk Day' and all the girls were cows. One of the shows had the dancer showered with milk. My girl was stressed out about something and apologized for being a downer. I offered to let her stay in my hotel room and she happily accepted. A little bit of fingering and some DATY between the rest of the fun, shots and making out made for a great night. The bikini girl brought up that I should pay 1 k to take off my girl's bra, but I didn't bite since I knew I could charm it off in a little while, which I did. I think the bikini girl may have felt like a third wheel for most of the night. Since I got almost black out drunk last time, I decided against full tequila shots. My girl got too drunk too, so when the topic of shots was brought up, I got half a shot for me, half a shot for my girl and a full shot for the bikini girl. This half shot trick is something I intend to incorporate into all my debaucherous nights so go easy on my liver and easy on my wallet. Mamasan decided to have me sign each bill so that there would be no confusion when it came time to settle the bill, but at 28,990 the whole night was a helluva lot more expensive than I had planned. I wasn't expecting a bar fine, but mamasan said I'd have to pay 1 k to take my girl. I emptied whatever cash I had brought with me and tried to pay the rest by card, but no dice. Since all my other cards were in my hotel room, mamasan suggested she come with me and collect the cash. She flagged down a taxi and we even got stopped at a police checkpoint. I'm not sure what it was they were looking for for, but they got us all out of the taxi and gave us a cursory look. I was all smiles playing the happy, tipsy tourist till I got back in the cab.

Back in my room, both mamasan and my girl immediately went for my weighing scale while I grabbed my other wallet. My cards were being all sorts of dodgy and I think I might have underpaid by 500 or so, but mamasan let it slide. She told me to give my girl a tip with a pained smile as she left. I headed back up to my room to find my girl fast asleep snuggled under the covers. Not wanting to wake her, I quietly undressed and got ready for bed. Giving her a gentle kiss once I was in bed, she reciprocated and I realized she was more awake than I thought. She wasn't shy at all and even cleaned me up with her mouth after I finished. We went for another round while we were both half awake and fell back to sleep. She left the next day at 2:30 PM and only asked for taxi fare.

*Total Damages = 29,990 + 500.

[B]7 Jan[/B]

All day spent basking in the afterglow.

[B]8 Jan[/B]

Decided to try a cute [B]Sideline Freelancer[/B] today. Nong Fiko looked 90% like her photos, but was a little annoyed. Perhaps it was because I was late for our appointment, but I was hoping my charm could turn that around. She asked for payment first and made me turned around so that I didn't see her safe combination. I didn't have change and neither did she, so she just casually told me that it was a tip. She was a very confident woman who was very comfortable taking charge. She led me to the shower before riding me pretty hard. She said she liked them big and although I wasn't as big as one of her Brazilian clients, I wasn't too shabby. With great BJ skills too, this was clearly a woman who obviously enjoyed the work. CIM was extra, so I decided to make her work for that tip.

*Total Damages = 2300 - 60 minutes /2 shots - 1 in the kisser.

[B]9 Jan[/B]

I cannot for the life of me remember where I went before dinner and can't find any record, so your guess is as good as mine.

[B]10 Jan[/B]

Tried to build on my [B]Sideline[/B] success, with another foray. I think I've gotten a little better at ignoring the more heavily touched up photos, but old photos and other camera tricks are a lot more difficult. Nikki was the lucky lady for the day. I was greeted in a barely there negligee and a thong; definitely one way to make an impression! She was probably around 80% of what her photos would make one expect. The difference was primarily the work she had done on her face; lip fillers and waaaaaay too much botox. She remarked I was handsome as most have, but her slight insecurity made it more believable than ever other time I've heard that line. She started the timer as soon as I entered, which worried me a little. She dimmed the lights, using the excuse of sudden shyness brought on by my good looks. I didn't mind since that would make her face less distracting. She had blue fairy lights strung along the head board and the glow that reflected off her face made for a surreal visual akin to something out of a music video. Great BJ and riding skills; she even had a pretty tattoo across her lower abdomen. She was happy to have me finish in her mouth, but only the first time. My quantity, especially the first round, tends to be a little overwhelming for some. She was impressed by my "professional sex" of 19 minutes and I found it interesting that she was surprised a tourist knew of the website, for which I am grateful to the mongers who came before me (pun intended).

*Total Damages = 1900 - 90 minutes - 2 shots, 1 in the mouth.

[B]11 Jan[/B]

Feeling a little lazy and tired, so I decided to go to a massage parlor which takes a lot less effort. [B]101 Premier Massage[/B] was still not struck out from my list. I called for the lineup and I was initially interested in the second girl who came out. More and more girls kept trickling in, so my greed didn't want me to make my choice early. Once they were all out, I glanced across a couple times. Their staff made for a difficult choice. I think the reviews I had read for this establishment may have been a little dated. Pink hair caught my eye and the girl looked kinda cute, so I picked her. Tori led me to a shower room and I finally got a better look at her face. I slowly began to realize my error in judgment. With the poor lighting, her standing far away and my impatience, I had failed to notice her age. She was at least 10 years older than I had guessed when I had selected her. Her pretty hair did a great job of hiding it and now that we were already in the room, I had absolutely no idea how to back out. It felt far too rude, and what made it worse is when selecting how long I picked 90 minutes instead of 60 since it was only 100 baht more and I didn't want to rush. She looked like she was spacing out when I asked her name in the line up, which I foolishly ignored. One would assume that her age and experience in the business would mean her skills were more polished, but that was far from the truth. The whole experience was a lesson in the value of a sure a thorough decision.

*Total Damages = 2300 - 90 minutes - 2 shots, 1 painful lesson.

[B]13 Jan[/B]

After procrastinating for a while, I finally headed out to [B]Soi Cowboy[/B]. I wanted to grab a bite beforehand, but I had no idea most of the restaurants near Emquartier would be shut by 9:30. I decided to find a place to eat there instead. I got off at Asok and waiting for the crosswalk had me sweating bullets. As I entered the glittering avenue, I noticed that there was a striking disparity between the various establishments. Some of them were literally overflowing with people, while others looked barren. The emptier bars had more girls in front, probably as a means of advertising. They were even physically pulling on some of their potential victims. I was overwhelmed by the selection and my initial plan of feeling the vibe of each place before was not as simple as I had anticipated. Not knowing what to do, I decided to go by reputation instead and walked into [B]Baccara[/B]. Since the second floor was supposedly better, I didn't bother giving the ground floor much more than a quick glance.

The entire place was packed! Not a single empty couch, but I managed to find a single barstool and got myself a Singha. Having never even been to a strip club, I wasn't sure what to expect of the entire experience, so I decided to just observe for a while in the sweet respite the A / see provided from the sweltering street. To call the girls dancers would be a poor use of the word, they were simply present to be put on display for men to ogle at, and ogle they did. As they gently swayed back and forth, some were on the edges of their seats drinking in the scene of so many topless women. Others were assessing the wares on display, like any sort of meat market. At first it felt a little degrading to the ladies, but upon reflection I understood that this simply the nature of any transaction. The entire place was a well oiled machine. Shots loaded into trays, managers scurrying about serving customers, collecting payment, scantily clad ladies charming men into buying them drinks and not wasting any time getting them. There must have been a couple of girls who found the sight of me wolfing down a plate of stir fried beef amusing though. Having settled into the place and understanding its workings, I decided to settle my bill and move to a recently emptied couch by the stage. A couple minutes later, I was instructed that it had not been emptied, but my barstool was no longer available. One of the managers pointed me to a corner and I waited for all of 5 minutes before realizing that I clearly wasn't worth their time. There was a cutie who caught my eye and brushed my leg each time she walked over to the bar, but alas, today was not her day. I did have to refuse 3 other ladies since they weren't my type. Fortunately viewing the drink as a negotiation made that a lot easier to navigate and I only have the wisdom of this forum to thank for it.

As I walked back out into the street unsure of where to head to next, I was invited for a drink to one of the bars. Since I knew I would be obliged to share that drink with her, I refused. I didn't take 2 steps before I received a similar offer, this time much less aggressively and from a much cuter drinking partner. I went into Jungle Jim's and there were all of 4 other people in the almost deserted bar. Pleio was a little nervous and shy, which I found endearing. I teased that she was only drinking coke and she suggested a couple of Tequila shots. I decided to use my half a shot trick, licking the salt off of each other's hands as a gentle means of making her more comfortable with touch and gauging her reaction. She had to get on stage and I danced in front of it for a little while before proceeding to the bathroom. I crossed a more mature woman bent over, having a man plucking her instrument from behind. When I got back, Pleio's overweight "sister" had joined us. I scrolled my phone waiting for her to finish her designated 5 songs. Her English was very limited, and I didn't know if communicating through Google translate was effective. I just asked the mamasan what the barfine was, dropped 700 baht and escorted my kitten out into the night. While waiting for my grab taxi, another taxi offered to take us. I had to get him down to half his initial price, before getting in. She was still quite nervous when we were along on my bed and since she had recently moved here from Isan, I figured she must be fairly new. After going at it for a while, it started to get a little dry so bareback it was. Alternating between pussy and mouth till I finally finished. In her mouth because she did not want a baby. Expecting she'd stay the night, I was surprised when she told me she had to pick her sister up at 2 since she didn't have a key.

*Total Damages = 5200 - 3 k ST, 700 BF, and rest on beef and beer.

[B]14 Jan[/B]

Unhappy with my first foray to [B]Soi Cowboy[/B], I decided to take another crack at it. Baccara clearly wasn't for me, or perhaps I should just pick a time when there aren't nearly as many people there. Today's destination was [B]Suzy Wong[/B]. Getting off the BTS, I realized that there was a walkway that didn't require me to wait for the crosswalk and being elevated over empty highway. The breeze certainly helped blow away some of the sweat dripping from my brow and arms. Emboldened by the accidental success of my previous visit, I decided to allow my gaze to wander. Something the vultures instantly noticed. Deja Vu had a particular aggressive committee of black bikinis. The lady who literally got a hold of me refused to take no for an answer, not listening to my say that I would return. Perhaps that wasn't firm enough a refusal, because another woman came as backup. Watching a struggling calf to the slaughter, a third descended and physically pushed me into the bar. There were a few girls on stage and it didn't seem like a terrible place, but knowing that I would have to buy my aggressor a lady drink meant that I could not sit down here. Not only was she not my type, but resorting to force rubbed me the wrong way. She even resorted to swaying in front of me fondling my crotch, physically blocking my exit. Men weaker in either will or strength will most certainly fall into her clutches, so be warned. It was a shame because as I finally wriggled my way out, I caught sight of a girl who I quite liked. I couldn't even take a proper look at her since this bleeding calf had to run for his life! As I left, I saw another lamb fighting off a different set of carnivores. I made sure to stay out of range, which allowed me to narrowly escape the talons of another hungry hawk.

I watched off some of the sweat in the bathroom, grabbed a beer and cooled down while getting a feel for Suzy Wong. It was much less busy here and the ratio of girls to punters was a lot better. It was only a few minutes before I grabbed a table. Flagging down a mamasan for a lady was not as easy. When I finally did make my choice, it turns out she had already been accounted for by the gentleman sitting right next to me. Fortunately I had a backup in mind who was led off the stage dressed in a lacy bikini that was more lingerie than it was swimsuit. I waved her over and the mamasan whom I suspected was in charge asked for a drink and I obliged to build some goodwill. When she Bada joined me holding an orange juice, another mamasan asked me for a drink. I made a show of my reluctance, but since she was manning this section, I decided it would be worth it. No sooner had I paid for this round of 4 drinks, I had yet another mamasan asking me to buy her a drink. It was ridiculous at this point. To the veterans, is this sort of thing normal? I don't really think more than 1 mamasan drink is called for. I went ham refusing this third request and then I even passed one of the other 2 drinks to her to get her off of my back. This entire time, Bada was just quietly massaging me. From the 2 or 3 minutes of eye contact, light grazes and sensing her sense of rhythm as she moved to the beat, I decided to waste no more time fending off the mama sans. I asked to pay the bar fine of 700 and was told ST was 3 k. I don't think she was expecting LT, but asked for 6 k. I called for a grab from the intersection and led her to the elevators. She seemed a little awestruck by the hotel as we walked to the lift lobby. Upon reaching my room, she too was distracted by my weighing scale. I was far more surprised by the reading on the scale at 39 kg and when she took off her slippers, I realized how little she was. She was definitely the smallest girl I have ever been with. During DATY, I noticed she was shaved. Resurfacing, she insisted on a condom, but like clockwork the field started to get too dry to play. She came prepared with a sachet of lube, but after reapplying it 4 times, she too realized it would be simpler without. Unfortunately, the look of disgust on her face when I brought up finishing in her mouth meant that even though the rest of my journey would be a lot more pleasant, the destination probably would not be. After finishing, I watched her scroll TikTok till she was ready to sleep. After some tossing and turning, we went for another round before finally nodding off. I had her another time in the morning, before she was finally starting shifting about at 7 ish. She said it was time for her to go, which meant a final round for the road. I was far too awake to go back to bed, so after some breakfast in the hotel, I decided to process this week's extracurricular activities and share with those that may be enlightened or simply entertained by my ramblings. This one took a lot longer than I expected, since it's already dark and I have not decided what to do with the little time left of the day. For my last week here, I might be better off doing daily reports or perhaps just save it for the flight home.

I feel like I need a proper conclusion signing off, but fuck it, fuck you, and happy fucking!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2780083]I am here now just around the corner from Soi11 on Soi 13. There is a new restaurant on Soi 11 called Wine Connection, which also has a similar restaurant in Pattaya. I ate at Oskars last night and had the smoked salmon and anchovies / bacon salad and a glass of Argentine wine for $20 with tax.

Charlie Brown, formerly of Soi 11, is now located off Soi 19. I had a pretty good enchilada dish there last Sunday. There are several Italian and sushi restaurants on Soi 31, which is about a 20 minute walk or less with a Grab car. I don't think Soi 11 is the best place to find good cuisine overall and recommend you look a bit off from those locales like Soi 31. Soi 8 has Monsoon, not new but consistent food-service. I also like the German restaurant next to Trendy on Soi 13.

To be honest, I am finding the choices here on balance in this area to be drab and uninspiring. Like there is no motivation for the owners to improve.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised by the lack of more local cuisine on this list, but to each their own I guess.

For cigars (and rum) you have Havana Social on a short sideroad to Soi 11.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2779957]Does anyone know how the new restaurants are on Soi 11? I see that there is a new Jamacian restaurant and a Moon Muum restaurant near Oskar. My favorite Mexican restaurant next to Oskar is now gone and replaced by a night club. Any other new restaurants on Soi 11? I was wondering how the food was in these new dining options. I am happy that the German Beerhouse up the street is still there as I enjoy eating there a couple of times while visiting BKK.

Additionally, I enjoy a cigar occasionally while on vacation and was wondering if there were any locations near Soi 11 that will allow smoking them. I noticed that the MJ dealers are dealing right on the street out of vans all over the city, so I hope people will be more tolerant of my cigars!

Thanks for any assistance and advice![/QUOTE]

Reluctantly joined Thai Friendly yesterday to prepare ahead for my month + trip. Trip one week from now starting in Bangkok.

I do RTFF and I've noticed varying degrees of success, but in general appears to be a lot of work for low quality results. The main thing that pisses me off is the women that actually like ME! Jeez, is this my level? LOL Old, ugly, and fat?

To be honest, I have hearted a good list of younger women 22-32 that I'll eventually reach out to and start some communication. However, I don't think I'll be wasting a whole lot of time on the app and just get my boots to walking. I'm not really a fan of straight p4 p. Far from a cheap charlie, I just like to pretend that they actually like me and not my money. Plus, the thought of being with a woman who've been with 5/6 guys before doesn't get the Junior excited.

I've adjusted my expectations to feeling like I made a donation to TF. Anything more than that will be a win.

Thank you for the tip.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2779978]As already said: Tulip.

But the most important thing: be clear what you want. Don't be shy. Say it. Directly. Be clear. The girls will do whatever you want. If you want them to do lesbian, make sure to say so, if you want a position or anything, say so. Whatever your threesome fantasies or just whatever you feel at the time is available, but the girls will just do their thing unless you say otherwise, and again its OK to say otherwise and they fully expect you to say what you want.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2779741]What are the odds I could find a doctor in Bangkok that I could bribe to get me a yellow fever exemption? Going to be visiting Nairobi for a bit where there's virtually no risk of yellow fever, but Thailand still requires a yellow fever vaccine certificate. Would like to throw some baht at the problem and be on my way. Should I just find a doctor out in the Issan region?[/QUOTE]I always carry proof of my YF vaccine. The Thai immigration authorities have never asked to see my International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis (ICVP). According to the CDC web site, it is not required to enter Thailand. In contrast, I have been to Kenya three times, and they have always asked to see my ICVP.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105][B]6 Jan[/B]
The girl was very happy that I picked her, even gloating to her friend who responded with a middle finger. It was amusing and her energy was infectious. We spent a little while chatting while I finished my beer and ordered another to share with her. Spent a little time in the jacuzzi before she asked me to go to the bed. She is the hottest woman I've been with guaranteed, but her performance made for a really bad audition. Her acting was exaggerated and loud and her movements felt uncoordinated and lacked rhythm. The whole thing was so distracting that I wasn't sure I'd be able to maintain my turgor let alone finish. I had to block out the noise and just focus on how hot she was. Once we were dressed, she returned to her seat in the fish bowl and I took a seat at a table to finish my beer while waiting for my Grab taxi.
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Excellent reports. I had the same problem with exaggeration from all the girls at the BJ bar with the rude receptionist (7-heaven), but it seems to work just telling them this is not a sex movie and
they don't need to make those sounds. I'm guessing it's favoured by the japanese customers, as the few glimpses of japanese porn I've managed to bare have all been full of similar annoying sounds.

Great report Kaiser. Def Report of Distinction nominee! I concur with the Deja Vu experience. I tried several bars and had luck at Sharks but st Deja Vu they def tried to overcharge me and rip me off. Got out as fast as I could. Apparently this is one of the bars owned by "the Arab" who is well known for trying to fleece his patrons.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2778934]Because many have found other jobs in the past 3 years and don't want to go back to the bar scene.[/QUOTE]Hey I'm just now catching up here.

So my response, although a few days late, is that new money hungry girls are turning 18 (or whatever the Thai legal age) every day. So where are they? They haven't heard where the easy money is at due to the covid interruption of a couple years? It really makes no sense to me that girls are not back if the money is back. I'll be seeing for myself in a couple days.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2779166]You're not naive but just doing the right thing. Do unto others as they do unto you. Schwab does us right.[/QUOTE]About 5 years ago I got out of control at Spearmint Rhino in Vegas and needed to do an ATM pull with my Schwab card. They got hit with like a $40 ATM service fee. I honestly felt terrible about it and made sure it never happened again.

[QUOTE=LuvStJohn;2779643]Maybe I'm just not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do want to pass out a warning to drunk or jet-lagged ATM users in Thailand.

Four trips since 2018, spent over a year in Thailand, and I still leave my ATM card in the machine. Twice, so far. My regular US ATM always gives me my card back before I get the money while it's making a loud beeping noise with flashing lights reminding me to get it.

In Thailand, they give you the money first, the card after you finalize the transaction. In fairness, you get the same loud 'hey don't forget your card idiot' tone after you get the money, but the first time it happened I was way too drunk and had already stumbled down the road and didn't notice the machine screaming at me. Fortunately, I was leaving in a few days and had my backup. I thought I learned my lesson until I did it again my first day in BKK last summer when I was trying to stay awake to adjust to the time difference. Damn! I have to second the Schwab recommendation since they sent me a card in less than a week at no charge. So remember, take your money then wait for the card. Do as I say, not as I do.

Getting a local bank account this time since I'm now spending half my time there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reminder StJohn. Done it there myself in the afternoon not even drunk. Just so used to getting the cash last. Need to remember card is more important than cash 555!

[QUOTE=Bernikle;2779657]I have been in BKK for a few days. Of course, it's getting worse and if you're demanding, you have to work a bit, but it's still a place where you can get everything you want. Starting with the perfect teenager 3000/3 min. Suitable only for groping and kicking ass, through slightly older options, but offering perfect GFE, where sometimes a conversation is not worse than sex (old age is not joy and all for very reasonable money, and ending with a pleasant and cuddly candidate for wife, a student from the suburbs, who will still consider the farang a man of a better category.[/QUOTE]Huh? Whatcha talkin' bout Willis?

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105][B]6 Jan[/B]

I feel like I need a proper conclusion signing off, but fuck it, fuck you, and happy fucking![/QUOTE]Kaiser your reports have been so raw, real and hilarious! Thanks for taking the time to share with us like minded gentlemen.

When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?

Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.

I am in Bangkok at the moment and have been debating whether its worth my while (time and money) to join. The same thing you are experiencing I believe that I will see that as well. I am not a member of Thai Cupid but somewhere along the way my profile was featured there and I am constantly beset by older and mostly unattractive Thai women who are also not paying members. A total waste of time. I know that some girls you can only see if you a paid member of TF but then.

Everyone else is pursuing them as well. It seems to me TF is overpriced for what you get. Let us know if you join whether it was worth it.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2780122]Reluctantly joined Thai Friendly yesterday to prepare ahead for my month + trip. Trip one week from now starting in Bangkok.

I do RTFF and I've noticed varying degrees of success, but in general appears to be a lot of work for low quality results. The main thing that pisses me off is the women that actually like ME! Jeez, is this my level? LOL Old, ugly, and fat?

To be honest, I have hearted a good list of younger women 22-32 that I'll eventually reach out to and start some communication. However, I don't think I'll be wasting a whole lot of time on the app and just get my boots to walking. I'm not really a fan of straight p4 p. Far from a cheap charlie, I just like to pretend that they actually like me and not my money. Plus, the thought of being with a woman who've been with 5/6 guys before doesn't get the Junior excited.

I've adjusted my expectations to feeling like I made a donation to TF. Anything more than that will be a win.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2780360]I am in Bangkok at the moment and have been debating whether its worth my while (time and money) to join. The same thing you are experiencing I believe that I will see that as well. I am not a member of Thai Cupid but somewhere along the way my profile was featured there and I am constantly beset by older and mostly unattractive Thai women who are also not paying members. A total waste of time. I know that some girls you can only see if you a paid member of TF but then.

Everyone else is pursuing them as well. It seems to me TF is overpriced for what you get. Let us know if you join whether it was worth it.[/QUOTE]I am in BKK too. I think we are somewhere closeby. I came to bkk on Jan 9th, stayed 3 days here, then Pattaya 3 days, them back here yesterday for 4 more days.

I joined TF on Dec 22nd with premium. My conclusions:

Its a hit and miss. Hit 1, miss 100.2. Its difficult to get eyeballs of younger prettier women. As said, many are older, uglier and not from BKK, but would like you without reading your profile. Those who do like you and match may not even read your message and if they do, may not reply.

I had 2 average successes, ST, both 1500,1 each in bkk and pattaya.

Many prettier 30's ladies on jobs inspite of saying my intentions clearly, keep asking the same questions everyday morning between 10-11 am. Block them eventually.

Conclusion: Waste of money and time for short time visitors.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105][B]6 Jan[/B]
I cannot for the life of me remember where I went before dinner and can't find any record, so your guess is as good as mine.
![/QUOTE]One night in Bangkok! Thank you for the detailed post!

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2780199]just telling them this is not a sex movie and
they don't need to make those sounds. I'm guessing it's favoured by the japanese customers, as the few glimpses of japanese porn I've managed to bare have all been full of similar annoying sounds.[/QUOTE]JAVs do have some unecessarily noisy talent, but I think it's to flatter the patrons. I on the other hand, would prefer a dead fish. I'm confident enough with my performance, so honest reactions help me gauge how to adjust. I'm probably not going to bother with soapies again.

Also I cannot think of a way to tell someone "this isn't a bad porno" without coming off as rude. I try to choose my words carefully when in such a vulnerable situation. I DO NOT want them to be tempted to bite.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2780260]Great report Kaiser. Def Report of Distinction nominee! I concur with the Deja Vu experience. I tried several bars and had luck at Sharks but st Deja Vu they def tried to overcharge me and rip me off. Got out as fast as I could. Apparently this is one of the bars owned by "the Arab" who is well known for trying to fleece his patrons.[/QUOTE]Keeping that in mind. I thought about sneaking in behind their door wranglers to take another look at the cutie that caught my eye, but I doubt it'll be worth it.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2780291]raw[/QUOTE]Just the way I like it, but not enough girls "take it fresh".

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2780360]I am in Bangkok at the moment and have been debating whether its worth my while (time and money) to join. The same thing you are experiencing I believe that I will see that as well. I am not a member of Thai Cupid but somewhere along the way my profile was featured there and I am constantly beset by older and mostly unattractive Thai women who are also not paying members. A total waste of time. I know that some girls you can only see if you a paid member of TF but then.

Everyone else is pursuing them as well. It seems to me TF is overpriced for what you get. Let us know if you join whether it was worth it.[/QUOTE]I stopped after a week. I paid for a month of premium based on recommendations I'd read, but all I'm getting are edentulous grannies and cuties 200 km away. It might be a better investment in Pattaya or perhaps other places, but don't waste it for BKK. I'd suggest getting Smooci premium instead for the same price. You get a small discount on bookings, access to reviews, advance bookings and 1 HR outcalls. Even the girls with their phone numbers and line Ids on TF do not respond there. Tinder seemed to be marginally better, but I didn't pay for premium. Sideline or bar girls are a better investment of time imo.

A real word artist, you paint a great picture. The only REAL point I have I've moved up top.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]Emboldened by the accidental success of my previous visit, I decided to allow my gaze to wander. Something the vultures instantly noticed. Deja Vu had a particular aggressive committee of black bikinis. The lady who literally got a hold of me refused to take no for an answer, not listening to my say that I would return. Perhaps that wasn't firm enough a refusal, because another woman came as backup. Watching a struggling calf to the slaughter, a third descended and physically pushed me into the bar. There were a few girls on stage and it didn't seem like a terrible place, but knowing that I would have to buy my aggressor a lady drink meant that I could not sit down here. Not only was she not my type, but resorting to force rubbed me the wrong way. She even resorted to swaying in front of me fondling my crotch, physically blocking my exit. Men weaker in either will or strength will most certainly fall into her clutches, so be warned. It was a shame because as I finally wriggled my way out, I caught sight of a girl who I quite liked. I couldn't even take a proper look at her since this bleeding calf had to run for his life! As I left, I saw another lamb fighting off a different set of carnivores. I made sure to stay out of range, which allowed me to narrowly escape the talons of another hungry hawk.[/QUOTE]Quite the way with words. Here are a couple more to use in these situations (I'm sure a real Thai speaker will correct my translation, but it IS the correct point):

My Pie (I don't go).

My Oww (I don't want). Oww is the sound you make when you hurt yourself.

If you want to be polite, add a "Kap" at the end of the phrase. If not, don't.

What these do is mark you as knowing what's going on, even if you don't, as in not a walkover newbee. Last visit, waiting for my ride from the airport, walked past the limo parking area. One driver offered me a ride, I just said, My Pie. All the other drivers laughed, no doubt at my pronunciation, but it got the point across, and any discussion was short circuited.

Thai is a tonal language and with my ears, why I'll never be able to speak it. But I am VERY good at TONES. I don't tolerate anyone grabbing me, to misquote Bogart, "in a number of gin joints in a number of parts of the world", even out on the street. If a local phrase doesn't work, I switch to my TONAL COMMAND VOICE English, as in, "I DON'T TOUCH YOU, [B]DON'T[/B] TOUCH ME! In a tone that leaves NO room for ANY misunderstanding. They rely on your politeness, your newness, your acceptance. I quash that immediately. But, my experience, in Thailand, the My Pie, My Oww works as it marks you as knowing what's what, and the vultures, sharks, whatever, move on to weaker prey.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]She flagged down a taxi and we even got stopped at a police checkpoint. I'm not sure what it was they were looking for for, but they got us all out of the taxi and gave us a cursory look. I was all smiles playing the happy, tipsy tourist till I got back in the cab.[/QUOTE]Can't say THESE days, but used to be looking for YaBa.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]*Total Damages = 29,990 + 500.[/QUOTE]I'd say that reading your exploits brought back some old memories, but that would be a lie. You and I are different generations AND different CLASSES. But if you're having fun, more power to you. To each his own [I]poison[/I].

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]Decided to try a cute [B]Sideline Freelancer[/B] today. Nong Fiko looked 90% like her photos, but was a little annoyed. Perhaps it was because I was late for our appointment, but I was hoping my charm could turn that around. [/QUOTE]All right you young whippersnappers [S]...[/S] back in MY day, [B]BEFORE[/B] mobiles, BKK traffic, no sky train, stuck taxis, anybody was just happy somebody turned up sometime during the evening. These days, polite to send a message that you're running late. Last trip, I arrived early at an MP and since I was on time, not late, had NOT informed the lady I was on my way as I had said I would. She was waiting at home, got my message that I was there, and kept me informed of her progress towards the shop. Unnecessary, but appreciated, she is CLASS.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]I had absolutely no idea how to back out. It felt far too rude, and what made it worse is when selecting how long I picked 90 minutes instead of 60 since it was only 100 baht more and I didn't want to rush.[/QUOTE][I]Technically[/I], if you haven't started, you can renege, with a tip to the girl for the trouble. But it is rude (and I understand it is [U]business[/U]. The only time I've reneged is when the girl took too long to fetch her [I]supplies[/I]. Otherwise, I'd just take one for the team and for karma. Lessons learned, but the painful ones stay learned longer.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]I waved her over and the mamasan whom I suspected was in charge asked for a drink and I obliged to build some goodwill. When she Bada joined me holding an orange juice, another mamasan asked me for a drink. I made a show of my reluctance, but since she was manning this section, I decided it would be worth it. No sooner had I paid for this round of 4 drinks, I had yet another mamasan asking me to buy her a drink. It was ridiculous at this point. To the veterans, is this sort of thing normal? I don't really think more than 1 mamasan drink is called for. I went ham refusing this third request and then I even passed one of the other 2 drinks to her to get her off of my back. [/QUOTE]It's simple, when the pack smells blood, all move in to get a taste. If you're going to be spending time in a place, yes, buying A mamasan a drink is good. But take the time to scope out which one, what the hierarchy is, not right off the bat. Just say "Sorry, NO, cannot. " It's one of those questions that's "it doesn't hurt to ask". Later on, perhaps more when you're almost ready to leave, THEN tell ONE "Thanks for your help, I'll buy you ONE "whatever the mix you want" drink. Or tell the girl what you want to do (1 mamasan, 1 drink, and ask her which one). Any others try, just repeat, "No, sorry, cannot".

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]To call the girls dancers would be a poor use of the word, they were simply present to be put on display for men to ogle at, and ogle they did.[/QUOTE]Once upon a time, a LONG time ago, there was a true pole dancer at Nana's GSpot. That girl was a real acrobat, and it guaranteed her a lady drink or 2 from me. I once asked her why, why did she put so much energy into it. Her reply? She really liked it, she enjoyed performing, showing her skill. Truly memorable.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]Expecting she'd stay the night, I was surprised when she told me she had to pick her sister up at 2 since she didn't have a key.[/QUOTE]Ah, the ole [I]key excuse[/I]. Perhaps not so new after all, but then, I'm a cynic. Just points out the wisdom of pay [B]after[/B].

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]Getting off the BTS, I realized that there was a walkway that didn't require me to wait for the crosswalk and being elevated over empty highway. [/QUOTE]There is a 3rd, for me, better way to Cowboy. Exit the BTS on the far left, nearest Asoke, on the Nana side. Take the escalator down to the ground, then just a couple of steps to the escalator to the MRT. But instead of turning left to the MRT, walk straight, follow the corridor, and you're on the Cowboy side of Asoke, using the underground tunnel.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]Flagging down a mamasan for a lady was not as easy. When I finally did make my choice, it turns out she had already been accounted for by the gentleman sitting right next to me.[/QUOTE]Old lesson, you snooze, you loose. If you think she's THE one, others do too. Been there, done that.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105]After finishing, I watched her scroll TikTok till she was ready to sleep. [/QUOTE]Personally, I frown on any mobile use as it sets a bad precedent for future visits, either her or any of her friends (they do talk).

As you don't have a PM function, I'll just suggest Google Stickman Bangkok.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780107]I'm surprised by the lack of more local cuisine on this list, but to each their own I guess.[/QUOTE]Likewise.

When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?

Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.

Going to go check out the ladies in sukhumvit 11 what's the best hotel there that is 5 stars but not too pricey, I assume they all smoking?

[QUOTE=LuvStJohn;2779643]Maybe I'm just not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do want to pass out a warning to drunk or jet-lagged ATM users in Thailand.

Four trips since 2018, spent over a year in Thailand, and I still leave my ATM card in the machine. Twice, so far. .[/QUOTE]Twice for me too, I always warn people about this.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]Later on, perhaps more when you're almost ready to leave, THEN tell ONE "Thanks for your help, I'll buy you ONE "whatever the mix you want" drink. [/QUOTE]The [B]YOU[/B] in "whatever [B]you[/B] want mix" is [B]YOURSELF[/B], NOT HER. The buyer determines which lady drink, not the recipient. Just ask the price, when the mamasan says something reasonable, agree to THAT one specifically.

[QUOTE=ZeroAtt;2780489]When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?
Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.[/QUOTE]From my memory, high season is from November into March, cooler (which IS relative) and less rain. This past year, it was raining into December, so who knows.

As far as rain goes, like my ole DI used to say, "you're not sugar, you're not going to melt". When I was out, caught in a shower, I just took refugee someplace, bar, MP, doorway. It usually passes, or at least lessens, in an hour. Best way, take an umbrella, guaranteed it WON'T rain. Forget rain jackets, even with vents, it's so humid, you'll end up wet, either from the rain or your sweat, my experience anyway.

For those of you who want something different: when I rolled into town Monday night I was totally amazed at the number of hot girls waiting at Hooker row on Kampeng Phet 7 (I think, all the cabbies know where though) parallel to Petchaburi. Grab a cab and take your pick.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780432]JAVs do have some unecessarily noisy talent, but I think it's to flatter the patrons. I on the other hand, would prefer a dead fish. I'm confident enough with my performance, so honest reactions help me gauge how to adjust. I'm probably not going to bother with soapies again.

Also I cannot think of a way to tell someone "this isn't a bad porno" without coming off as rude. I try to choose my words carefully when in such a vulnerable situation. I DO NOT want them to be tempted to bite.
.... [/QUOTE]Not a joke, I invested in a tiny container of clear, colorless wax earplugs from a local pharmacy. Less than 200 baht. Don't bother with the cheap foam rubber ones. They don't do much. Get the clear, "invisible" kind that quickly mold to the shape of your ear canal when you stuff them in.

I keep the container on the bedside table and can open it and stuff one in each ear fairly quickly whenever I am with someone I already know is an annoyingly noisy moaner or grunter, real or fake. I had to buy them for a particularly vocal favorite repeat, a real cutie, but whose rhythmic uh uh uh all through our fucking was just getting to be too distracting and I didn't want to cramp her style or lessen her enjoyment in any way.

Granted, you can't know if a girl will be like that on a first session. But if you have any prior intel or suspicion of it, just start the session with them already plugged in and pull them out and place them on a pre set place next to the bed if the coast is clear. None of my girls has ever noticed it in dim lighting. Maybe I am just reaching over to see if my phone charging cable is connected. Takes 2 seconds.

It doesn't block out all sound. You would still hear what you need to hear in the case of a fire alarm or whatever. But they work great to muffle the excessively loud uh uh uh thing, the phone notifications she forgot to shut down, the distracting music she might insist is great for fucking but isn't, etc. I found it actually enhances my pleasure and focus on how she looks, how her skin and body feels, tastes and so on by blocking out most irrelevant or distracting sounds.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]A real word artist, you paint a great picture. The only REAL point I have I've moved up top.

Quite the way with words. Here are a couple more to use in these situations (I'm sure a real Thai speaker will correct my translation, but it IS the correct point):

My Pie (I don't go).

My Oww (I don't want). Oww is the sound you make when you hurt yourself.

If you want to be polite, add a "Kap" at the end of the phrase. If not, don't.[/QUOTE]Fortunately, we live in a time where I can look up the translation and google even lets me listen to the pronunciation. My Pie is pretty spot on, but when I tried 'I don't want', I got "My Thong Car". "My Die" is cannot. I picked that up from my Isan girl the other night. That and "tep" which means it hurts- useful for those of us who might be a bit too rough.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472] Thai is a tonal language and with my ears, why I'll never be able to speak it. But I am VERY good at TONES. I don't tolerate anyone grabbing me, to misquote Bogart, "in a number of gin joints in a number of parts of the world", even out on the street. If a local phrase doesn't work, I switch to my TONAL COMMAND VOICE English, as in, "I DON'T TOUCH YOU, [B]DON'T[/B] TOUCH ME! In a tone that leaves NO room for ANY misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you mean by tonal in this case, but I've found it to be mostly staccato accentuated with certain elongated syllables, which are almost sung. Getting the rhythm and flow is more important than the actual pronunciation I think, but I'd need to spend more time listening to it to know for sure.

Fun fact about language is that only 7% is verbal, the vast majority is body language and tone. The only caveat here is that cultural differences result in different interpretations of certain tones and gestures, but it only takes a day or 2 to start imitating the local flow for me personally.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]They rely on your politeness, your newness, your acceptance. I quash that immediately. But, my experience, in Thailand, the My Pie, My Oww works as it marks you as knowing what's what, and the vultures, sharks, whatever, move on to weaker prey.[/QUOTE]True, but as someone who is by nature very blunt and rude, I think I tend to overcorrect in unfamiliar situations. Plus being rude tends to stick with me and my mood is sour even after the situation is resolved, which bleeds into my other interactions with uninvolved parties. I prefer to avoid it just so that I can maintain a fun state. Jokes have usually worked to refuse with minimal conflict, but I guess there will always be exceptions to the rule.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]Can't say THESE days, but used to be looking for YaBa.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the Boogeyman. Meth mixed with Caffeine is certainly an interesting combination.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]I'd say that reading your exploits brought back some old memories, but that would be a lie. You and I are different generations AND different CLASSES. But if you're having fun, more power to you. To each his own [I]poison[/I].[/QUOTE]Different generations, sure, but I'm not sure about different classes. This night was far more expensive than I had anticipated. I was expecting it to run around 15-16 k, but the elation from my successful meeting clearly switched off a part of my brain. I had even forget a bunch of documents and my retainers in the hotel restaurant. I didn't even recognize I had been in a daze till a couple days later. I justified the spending on account of that successful meeting being vital to my advancing my career and the fact that I haven't really celebrated a birthday in 7 years. In the past, not celebrating and continuing to grind has depleted my willpower and led to a nasty about of burnout, so this was also a mental health expense. The silver lining here is that it was the only night where I technically did not pay for the sex, just a bar fine and taxi fare.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]All right you young whippersnappers [S]...[/S] back in MY day, [B]BEFORE[/B] mobiles, BKK traffic, no sky train, stuck taxis, anybody was just happy somebody turned up sometime during the evening. These days, polite to send a message that you're running late. Last trip, I arrived early at an MP and since I was on time, not late, had NOT informed the lady I was on my way as I had said I would. She was waiting at home, got my message that I was there, and kept me informed of her progress towards the shop. Unnecessary, but appreciated, she is CLASS.[/QUOTE]I do often find myself marveling at the change in human behavior as a result of our advanced ability to communicate. Not being able to reach someone was a completely normal occurrence, but now we get so frustrated by 'ghosting'. The world was probably a lot more relaxed in general I feel, but I was far too young to truly appreciate it. In today's world, I think I'd panic without my phone. My sense of direction is so abysmal that I would be lost without GPS at my fingertips. Back when I was 15, I did spend about 2 hours looking for my way back to my hotel from a restaurant after my friends pranked me by deserting me on a field trip to a different city. No phone on account of my school's policy and even then smart phones weren't exactly a thing back then.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472][I]Technically[/I], if you haven't started, you can renege, with a tip to the girl for the trouble. But it is rude (and I understand it is [U]business[/U]. The only time I've reneged is when the girl took too long to fetch her [I]supplies[/I]. Otherwise, I'd just take one for the team and for karma. Lessons learned, but the painful ones stay learned longer.[/QUOTE]Agreed 100%!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]It's simple, when the pack smells blood, all move in to get a taste. If you're going to be spending time in a place, yes, buying A mamasan a drink is good. But take the time to scope out which one, what the hierarchy is, not right off the bat. Just say "Sorry, NO, cannot. " It's one of those questions that's "it doesn't hurt to ask". Later on, perhaps more when you're almost ready to leave, THEN tell ONE "Thanks for your help, I'll buy you ONE "whatever the mix you want" drink. Or tell the girl what you want to do (1 mamasan, 1 drink, and ask her which one). Any others try, just repeat, "No, sorry, cannot".[/QUOTE]At Suzy Wong, all the drinks were priced the same. The first mamasan got something mixed with sprite, the second got something mixed with Coke and the dancer got an orange juice. All 3 were 260 baht. I should keep this in mind for other bars that may not follow a similar model though, thanks.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]Once upon a time, a LONG time ago, there was a true pole dancer at Nana's GSpot. That girl was a real acrobat, and it guaranteed her a lady drink or 2 from me. I once asked her why, why did she put so much energy into it. Her reply? She really liked it, she enjoyed performing, showing her skill. Truly memorable.[/QUOTE]The girl I picked up from Suzy Wong was at least grooving to the beat. Last night, I saw a girl in Baccara actually dancing, it's just a shame that it isn't more prevalent. It would definitely make for a more fun environment, but I guess the performer head to the gentlemen clubs instead.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]Ah, the ole [I]key excuse[/I]. Perhaps not so new after all, but then, I'm a cynic. Just points out the wisdom of pay [B]after[/B].[/QUOTE]To be fair, it is a GREAT excuse. I've had many a friend locked out because of exactly this reason on more than one occasion, so it's a lot harder to know when it's BS. At the very least, we had never negotiated time and price beforehand, so 3 k for ST seemed fair enough.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]There is a 3rd, for me, better way to Cowboy. Exit the BTS on the far left, nearest Asoke, on the Nana side. Take the escalator down to the ground, then just a couple of steps to the escalator to the MRT. But instead of turning left to the MRT, walk straight, follow the corridor, and you're on the Cowboy side of Asoke, using the underground tunnel.[/QUOTE]Underground tunnel sounds like an old school Earthen oven and the Bangkok weather does not need more help in cooking me. I'll take the breeze of the elevated walkway anyway, unless the tunnel is A / see. Even on the BTS, I try to stand directly under an A / see vent.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]Personally, I frown on any mobile use as it sets a bad precedent for future visits, either her or any of her friends (they do talk).[/QUOTE]I usually don't mind, since it tends to make people comfortable. I usually watch with them and comment on whatever, with a lot of light touch. It's much lower pressure than trying to maintain a conversation across a language barrier with an almost complete stranger. That said, if it's being used as a way to ignore me, that's not something I would tolerate. I've had to adapt to being among the minority of my generation that doesn't use social media, so I may be more tolerant as a result of that.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780472]As you don't have a PM function, I'll just suggest Google Stickman Bangkok. [/QUOTE]I recently stumbled upon that blog and read a couple of weekly updates as well as some reader emails on there. Are you suggesting we PM over there?

[QUOTE=ZeroAtt;2780489]
Not too hot[/QUOTE]I think the 1800's may have been the last time for that. Bangkok much like where I went to college has 2 seasons- hot and VERY HOT. Although I tend to be more intolerant of heat than most people, and I've noticed white people tend to like the heat more than I would imagine, so my opinion may not be worth shit.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780649]This past year, it was raining into December, so who knows.

As far as rain goes, like my ole DI used to say, "you're not sugar, you're not going to melt". When I was out, caught in a shower, I just took refugee someplace, bar, MP, doorway. It usually passes, or at least lessens, in an hour.[/QUOTE]It's more the high humidity that's associated with rain that's an issue as opposed to the precipitation itself. High humidity means our ability to reduce body heat through sweating is impaired.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2780649]Best way, take an umbrella, guaranteed it WON'T rain.[/QUOTE]Great minds think alike!

I went to Bangkok last month. I visited few clubs in Sukhuvmit Soi 11, Levels and Sugar Club. Not much girls able to pick up compare with Insanity club. Anyone can recommend which nightclub is easy to pick up in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=ZeroAtt;2780489]When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?

Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.[/QUOTE]We have three seasons here. Hot, hot and wet, and not quite as hot. The latter only lasts a part of Dec-Feb if we're lucky.

[QUOTE=ZeroAtt;2780489]When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?

Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.[/QUOTE]December.

January is not too bad.

I am looking for a doctor in BKK who speaks English and who will prescribe me sleeping medications (as I find it nearly impossible to sleep in BKK after a 24 hour /12 time zone plane trip via Japan). Can anyone provide me with a referral by PM?

Thanks.

Trying out daily reports while all the details are fresh, since I got positive feedback from my previous reports.

Soi Cowboy on a Monday was much less chaotic and frenetic compared to the weekend, and I was certainly grateful for that fact. There was enough space on the street to outmaneuver the Deja Vu predators, but they didn't seem so hungry today. Instead they were huddled together deep in discussion. There were no victims, so it's possible their aggressive tactics over the weekend was enough to sate their hunger. I had decided to revisit Suzy Wong since I had a pleasant experience the last time, but I saw the end of the street and I realized I had walked past it again. I had done the same thing on Saturday and literally had to pull out Google maps on my phone to figure out how it disappeared. I felt like an idiot when I saw the massive sign as soon as I turned around and for me to repeat the same mistake only after 2 days is a testament to my inability to navigate myself almost anywhere.

This time though, I saw the crowd at Baccara was much thinner, so I decided to avenge my previous failure. I was confidently striding in, when a thick, burly arm suddenly blocked my path. I saw one of the most grouchy bouncers halfheartedly nudge his head in the direction of the outside bar. I decided to ignore the unnecessary rudeness and got myself a Singha beer before making my way up to the second floor. It was definitely a lot less crowded. No one was seated at the bar and a few of the large couches and floating tables were empty as well. I made myself comfortable in one of the booths and sipped my beer as I, devoid of previous bashfulness, scoped the wares on display tonight. Much like the last time I was here, I wasn't happy with the topless dancers. It's a well studied phenomenon that we as humans find 'covered' people more attractive. By which I mean to say, our imaginations are often much rosier than reality. That's why most people look more attractive in sunglasses. I saw quite a few familiar faces, but there were a lot fewer girls working today. I assumed there must have a few weekend moonlighters, who were absent today. However, I was quite pleased to see a girl actually dancing today, just like one would expect at a trendy nightclub, albeit a lot more exposed. Regrettably, she wasn't my type, but I hope her exuberant performance would enamor a generous patron, so as to encourage others to follow her lead.

Since no one caught my fancy, I resigned myself to waiting for the girls in red to take the stage. Little did I know that my seat was soon to be discourteously vacated, as the mamasan gestured me elsewhere, while barking, "You only one person". I aquiesced, but the staff's behavior was already beginning to wear on my patience. A few minutes later, the stages switched teams, and I was set to leave as soon as I mentally rejected all them all. 2 girls quickly changed my plans though. I recognized one girl, who I had liked the last time I was here, but her back was toward me, so I couldn't get her digits. Another girl was cute, but was my second choice based on her relative attractiveness. My first choice was barely moving and looked a little bored, which made me hesitant, but the sunk cost fallacy of having spent so much time here had me call her over for a lady drink. This allowed me to ascend to one of the coveted couches. I ordered myself another beer and excused myself to the bathroom while Mui got her drink and sat at my new table.

When I returned, I took my place next to her. She lacked any of the shy nervousness that I've come to associate as a sign of attraction. Instead she was very matter of fact and a touch jittery. Another red flag I chose to ignore because this girl was 100% my type, and it isn't common for me to find someone who fits my type so perfectly. I decided I would gamble just to cross this off my bucket list and use it as a learning experience no matter the outcome. She ran through the standard script and a lot of her mannerisms felt very Japanese / Korean in that kawaii / V sign kind of way. After not more than 2 minutes, she asked if she could get another lady drink, which I accepted. When she returned, I decided to inspect her "shot", which on my previous visit I had believed to be straight Tequila. I was quite surprised to discover it was in fact a very dilute cocktail in a serving of a mere 60 ML. Having little success with conversation and touch, I decided to go for my trump card of intense unwavering eye contact. It was a good call, since she brought up the price negotiations after about 30 or 40 seconds. LT would cost me 6 k, and she then asked for the Bar fine and another lady drink. I told her the lady drink made no sense and she dropped it. I settled my bill while she went to change.

She returned just as I was finishing my beer in a stunning black dress. For the first time, I understood why some of us lose rationality in the face of a beautiful woman. Walking her to the stairwell certainly was enough to arouse me as my subconscious started imagining the rest of our night. Outside, she asked me to wait for 5 minutes while she spoke to the bar tender, handing her some bills. It was then that I noticed her dress was actually a deep shade of red, just a shade darker than blood, which happens to be my favorite color. She was somehow playing with a stacked deck without knowing it. We flagged down a taxi and it was now that she clarified that LT was 4 hours and ST was 1 hour. I was not ready for this sucker punch and immediately began to reconsider. She clearly saw my reluctance and just stated that it was up to me. I decided that I had to have her at least once, but I decided to defer our discussion till when we were in private. I used the taxi ride to weigh the pros and cons as I saw them while cutting off touch. I've found this to be one of the most effective means of communicating a reduction in interest, and she had better know that bringing up now was a little underhanded. She had already asked for her payment at Baccara, which was so utterly ridiculous, I laughed it off. The way she held onto my arm as I escorted her to the elevator told me she had understood my reaction to her definitions. She was studying the entire taxi ride to the hotel and even asked whether she needed a key card to return to the lobby. Planning logistics for her exit clearly.

Once in the room, she asked for payment once again. I still had not decided on the duration and this pestering was a real mood killer. Her defense was insisting that, "Customer Lie". I jokingly tried to maneuver the situation as we got into the shower. Her attitude felt more like a very cold massage parlor or outcall. Out of the shower, she began demanding money again, and I finally just pulled out 6 k and put it under a glass telling she had no pockets right now, but for god's sake chill the fuck out! Before getting to the bed, she asked for a condom. I made my playful joke about 'no condom' and she reaction was so rehearsed it was funny. My smirk afterward though kept the interaction flowing smoothly. Asking for a condom before any foreplay though. It was looking more and more like ST was the way to go. She even explained to me that she would return to work after 4 hours. I was under the impression that Soi Cowboy shut at 2 AM, but she clarified that Baccara is open till 4. It was obvious that there was no wiggle room for negotiation, so I resigned myself to make my decision after her performance. It was only 10:15 and I would have preferred to intersperse my rounds between some sleep, but the only way to make LT worth it would be to fuck her non stop and sleep in the next day.

Getting down to the deed, she was a good kisser, which helped put her annoying qualities to the back of my mind. She was comfortable leaving the curtains completely open, which was a first. She had fake breasts, but the surgeon had done a good job. Her right nipple was ever so slightly off, but almost imperceptible. The surgeon's scar was godawful though. I found myself distracted by it, absolutely dumbfounded why he or she hadn't used subcuticular sutures. The approximation wasn't good either, which resulted in a slightly hypertrophic scar. This wasn't a case discussion, so I switched off that part of my brain. She had a very pretty naval piercing and I was very gentle in that region, not wanting to rip it out with my tongue. Making my way past her unshaven shrubbery, I went down on her for about a minute before being overwhelmed by a strong flavor. She was extra salty and it confused me. She was about to bag my little friend, but I rolled over since I needed to assess her oral skills. They were mediocre and the view wasn't as amazing as I thought it would have been. She put the condom on after about a minute at most, and then asked whether I wanted to fuck her. It took me a second to understand, but I responded telling her to fuck me first. She was on top for a minute or 2 before leaning forward into me and promptly gave up in another 30 seconds. She lay down and asked me to fuck her. We did missionary for a little while and the acting began very quickly. She asked to switch to doggy after about 5 minutes or so and I was more than happy to. While in this position, I was struck by the familiar smell of Aunt Flo. There was no bleeding, so I was quite perplexed, but this may explain the strong taste I had experienced while DATY. Her acting was unbearable so decided to gag her with my fingers. This only worked for a couple of minutes before she resumed her line reading, mumbling, "so good boy" and the like while gripping the sheets in an exaggerated fashion. She clearly did Kegels because she was contracting the entire time, hoping to work as little as possible and squeezing out her payment with minimal effort. It wasn't long before the field became too dry for play as usual, and so began the negotiation for bareback. She was strongly opposed as she began tugging on me like she was using a plunger. She clearly had little experience doing much more than looking pretty, so I was confident in the fact that I would get the most out of this transaction with a little more experience in negotiation. I rolled onto my back and dejectedly told her it would not happen this way. She then finally offered the argument that "she other customer, she dirty, you safe". To which, I responded, "I wouldn't finish inside her, and she looked clean to me, so I was confident in my safety". She wouldn't budge, before I offhandedly mentioned my profession. She did not believe me believing me to be a boxer on account of my gloves drying on the bedside table. I then explained that boxing was simply a hobby, but all no amount of insisting garnered any response aside from, "You lie". This was the last straw to her impertinence, so I shut her up with my ID card, which floored her. After taking a minute to compose herself by repeating how surprised she was, she was finally ready to let me ride without a saddle, "but only 2 minutes". I hadn't fired my pistol in around 40 hours, so my trigger finger was too itchy and it only took around 5 minutes before I painted her back and butt. She immediately demanded paper towels, not even allowing me the few seconds of ecstasy in peace. I cleaned her up and we showered, with her still professing her utter surprise that I wasn't a "sports boy" with my physique. She then asked if I spoke Chinese having finally noticed my tattoo, to which I told her 4 Chinese words I knew and switching to my broken Japanese instead. When I told her I knew the language as a result of watching anime, her face lit up like I had given her her first ever Christmas present.

Having toweled off, she walked over to the bed, lifted the covers and asked me what we should do now. Sleep, nap and then play later, it was "up to me". I decided to quit while I was somewhat ahead and told her I'd pay her for ST instead since she was so eager to return to work. I paid her, and then she excitedly asked me for a tip. I think my facial expression gave away how I felt about that since she then pleaded that she had accepted no condom. She did have a point so I tossed in 200 baht. We had a little more conversation while she got dressed and made up. I kissed her a few more times, which meant her having to reapply her lipstick. She reconfirmed about whether the lift needed a key card or not. When leaving, she turned the wrong way, so perhaps her logistical preparation was a result of poor sense of direction, for which I couldn't fault her without being an absolute hypocrite.

As I breathed a sigh of relief feeling that I had just about broken even, I noticed a few pinkish stains on the bed. Taking a whiff, I confirmed my earlier suspicions- she was DEFINITELY on her period. Perhaps, she had not even realized it, or more likely did not want a controversial bodily function hamper her ability to milk unsuspecting punters. Time to pass the fuck out, so that I can be well rested for my first Muay Thai session with a proper coach the following afternoon.

[B]Moral of the Story:[/B] Baccara is too successful, so their customer service is rude and the girls entitled as a result. This may be a generalization, but Mui even insisted that her timing definitions were standard, "All Lady same". She wasn't familiar with the name Suzy Wong and since this wasn't my first Rodeo, she could not bullshit me, even though she refused to believe me. Only go in if you want a beer and the topless swaying that passes for dancing. Even their drinks are more expensive than other places. I applaud their business model though, since it is obviously a well oiled machine that is raking in the moolah.

Time to go grab a bite, while I mull over which gun range to try out tonight. I quite liked my sign off from my previous report, so fuck you and happy fucking!

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2780776]I am looking for a doctor in BKK who speaks English and who will prescribe me sleeping medications (as I find it nearly impossible to sleep in BKK after a 24 hour /12 time zone plane trip via Japan). Can anyone provide me with a referral by PM?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Try some cough / cold medication with a first generation antihistamine. It's usually sold over the counter in most countries and is effective for a lot of people. Anything with an ingredient like Chorphenhydramine or Diphenhydramine.

Also as someone who took weeks to readjust my internal clock flying to a different hemisphere, I've found it wiser to plan ahead and only go to bed at night time in that country. The first day might be tiring as all hell, but it beats falling asleep on your feet at 11 in the morning.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2780765]We have three seasons here. Hot, hot and wet, and not quite as hot. The latter only lasts a part of Dec-Feb if we're lucky.[/QUOTE]And soon that will change to just hot. But, at least it has not rained since my arrival on Dec 30th. However, at my home base in North America they have had snow followed by cold weather, more snow, more cold, and now a black ice pack only a hockey player could love.

I have done that as well here. I try to limit my withdrawals as a consequence to reduce the risk. I travel a lot internationally and this is about the only country that will not give you your money until you withdraw your card. It really sucks! I use Fidelity and they do send you another card but it takes a week or so and some drawn out phone calls to verify who you are.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2780288]Thanks for the reminder StJohn. Done it there myself in the afternoon not even drunk. Just so used to getting the cash last. Need to remember card is more important than cash 555![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2780788]I have done that as well here. I try to limit my withdrawals as a consequence to reduce the risk. I travel a lot internationally and this is about the only country that will not give you your money until you withdraw your card. It really sucks! I use Fidelity and they do send you another card but it takes a week or so and some drawn out phone calls to verify who you are.[/QUOTE]Should read the other way round: "will not give you your card until you withdraw your money".

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2780776]I am looking for a doctor in BKK who speaks English and who will prescribe me sleeping medications (as I find it nearly impossible to sleep in BKK after a 24 hour /12 time zone plane trip via Japan). Can anyone provide me with a referral by PM?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Good luck with that. I need sleep aids every night and about 5 years ago I brought too few. I went to 2 doctors and was unable to get anything that was more effective than Benadryl. Some things are easy to get over the counter (antibiotics) but other things are not available even with doctor support (Sudafed).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2780849]Good luck with that. I need sleep aids every night and about 5 years ago I brought too few. I went to 2 doctors and was unable to get anything that was more effective than Benadryl. Some things are easy to get over the counter (antibiotics) but other things are not available even with doctor support (Sudafed).[/QUOTE]Can one get a shot of an antiobiotic or just pills?

Benadryl does not effectively induce sleep in me. This is what doctors are for! Two doctors refused something like ambien or xanax? Incredible. I better take the time to see my doctor here.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2780852]Can one get a shot of an antiobiotic or just pills?

Benadryl does not effectively induce sleep in me. This is what doctors are for! Two doctors refused something like ambien or xanax? Incredible. I better take the time to see my doctor here.[/QUOTE]If there are any more questions, I'll move to the lounge. I don't know about injectable antibiotics such as ceftriaxone.

Sorry, I wrote incorrectly in my prior post, it wasn't 2 doctors, it was same doctor twice. Here is more complete description of what happened. I first went to local pharmacy and asked for Lunesta or Ambien, they said no, I don't remember if they didn't have it in stock or it required prescription. I brought empty Lunesta bottle to local clinic and asked doctor for Lunesta or something similar. The doctor gave me something from his stock in a zip lock bag and that didn't work well. Two days later I want back to same doctor and got some different pills, which also didn't work. I don't remember what either medication was, but certainly not Lunesta or Ambien. Xanax would scare me as a sleep aid, very addictive.

On another trip to Thailand I went to clinic and was given antibiotics and decongestant. I asked doctor for sudafed in place of the decongestant he had for me. He said sudafed is only available at the hospital. I understand restricting sudafed since there are reasonable alternatives and because sudafed is a key ingredient for making some recreational drugs.

The long and short of my post is that some medications are easy to get in Thailand and other's are not. Bring whatever you need. Some things are available over the counter in Thailand that require a prescription in USA (oral antibiotics, blood pressure medicines, boner pills). Other things are easy to get in USA by prescription (sleep aids) but might be difficult to get in Thailand. Some things are available over the counter in USA but difficult to get in Thailand (sudafed).

Does anybody have experience with the massage outcall service called "see-body" Spa? It's quite pricey but the girls look really good on the pictures.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780105][B]6 Jan[/B]
[B]Poseidon[/B],
the girl was an 'S' - 6 k.
*Total Damages = 6140 - S girl + 2 Singha.[/QUOTE]So there is no upsell in the room, the 6 K includes full service?

[QUOTE=ZeroAtt;2780489]When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?

Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.[/QUOTE]SE Asia is always hot and it rains. Thats the climate there. Overall, Jan-Mar or Dec-Feb iare often considered the best weather by many foreigners and you should have good options anywhere in the area both in the cities and on the coast / islands. April tends to be fine too. But again to be clear, its always hot and it will rain, this time is just less hot and less rain

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780782]
[B]Moral of the Story:[/B] Baccara is too successful, so their customer service is rude and the girls entitled as a result. This may be a generalization, but Mui even insisted that her timing definitions were standard, "All Lady same". She wasn't familiar with the name Suzy Wong and since this wasn't my first Rodeo, she could not bullshit me, even though she refused to believe me. Only go in if you want a beer and the topless swaying that passes for dancing. Even their drinks are more expensive than other places. I applaud their business model though, since it is obviously a well oiled machine that is raking in the moolah.
[/QUOTE]Not even going to sugarcoat this one. Reading this means you were seen as a dope there or mark or all of the above. This isn't how gogos usually work, something is pretty up, and no one wanted to deal with you or you were being weird or something. I don't really know what more to say, this is not on Baccara.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2780998]Not even going to sugarcoat this one. Reading this means you were seen as a dope there or mark or all of the above. This isn't how gogos usually work, something is pretty up, and no one wanted to deal with you or you were being weird or something. I don't really know what more to say, this is not on Baccara.[/QUOTE]I didn't read the previous post, tldr LOL, so maybe my context might be off but aren't we all marks to them. We're there to give them money and they'll do what they can to get it.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780782][B]Moral of the Story:[/B] Baccara is too successful, so their customer service is rude and the girls entitled as a result. This may be a generalization, but Mui even insisted that her timing definitions were standard, "All Lady same". She wasn't familiar with the name Suzy Wong and since this wasn't my first Rodeo, she could not bullshit me, even though she refused to believe me. Only go in if you want a beer and the topless swaying that passes for dancing. Even their drinks are more expensive than other places. I applaud their business model though, since it is obviously a well oiled machine that is raking in the moolah.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for an amazingly detailed report! For me personally, haggling kills the vibe, so I'll stay away from bargirls at Baccara. But I'm glad it worked out for you. How much was the ST that you ended up paying?

[QUOTE=TourduMonde;2780972]So there is no upsell in the room, the 6 K includes full service?[/QUOTE]Yep, 6 k full service and no extra charges aside from the beer (optional BTW).

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2780998]This isn't how gogos usually work[/QUOTE]Having been to Suzy Wong and Twister on Nana last night, I'm inclined to agree, which is why I assumed it was a result of their success and the hubris that comes along with it.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2780998]Reading this means you were seen as a dope there or mark or all of the above. something is pretty up, and no one wanted to deal with you or you were being weird or something. [/QUOTE]I'd love to know what it was since my behavior has been the same everywhere. Could it have been my age (I look even younger than I actually am too), me being alone, my tattoos, my skin color? The bouncer only had my appearance to go on. I don't begrudge the mamasan who moved me, but to do it so rudely, was uncalled for. I try to always introspect on my actions and the reactions they provoke, since this is the way I learned basic social skills as an adolescent. All I did aside from walking in and sitting down was to sip my beer until I picked out a girl. On Friday, I experienced none of this, but they were a lot more busy then. Perhaps this is an anomalous experience, and regulars are treated differently, but I cannot completely absolve Baccara. Perhaps they have profiled younger, solo visitors as not bringing in much revenue, instead simply opting to get a free show. Ultimately it's discrimination and even if the stereotype is accurate for the majority, there will be a minority who suffer the consequences. To dismiss it entirely though would end up showing only one side of the coin, and creating a more biased picture. It's very similar to men dismissing sexism, or people dismissing racism, although on a much smaller and less impactful scale. I do hope my experience was an anomaly, and they were just tired after a busy weekend, but I'm not venturing there again to find out.

Getting off the BTS, I was surprised by how crowded and tourist-why it was here. I was expecting a similar vibe to Cowboy, but perhaps their reputation brings in a wider audience. I saw a security checkpoint, where a belligerent young man was arguing with the security staff. I chose to eavesdrop and the staff were asking him to show his ID, so it's possible he may have been underage. His slurred speech did him no favors negotiating the situation. Following another gentleman who squeezed past the small crowd of his friends, I entered the World's Largest Adult Playground. Its previous purpose as a shopping complex was obvious from its design. I decided to take a lap around ground floor, to see if anything caught my eye. Most establishments were an easy pass, but Twister was tempting to me. There were plenty of girls outside, and not too many customers. I decided to step in and have a look at the talent on stage. Overall, there was a decent line up and the music wasn't too bad, so I decided to start with a drink here. The bathroom was poorly maintained, the urinal reeking of urine and the tap poorly attached to the sink. A linear stage means that the best view is central and unfortunately all of those seats were occupied. I took a seat toward the right of the stage and ordered my usual Singha. A slightly overweight woman immediately sat next to me and asked me the usual questions and I responded politely. Not wasting any time, she guided my hand to her breasts and proceeded to give me a lap dance. Perhaps noticing that I wasn't reciprocating, she turned to straddle me and started to kiss me. Mamasan threw me a lifebuoy in the form of my beer, which I immediately snatched and pressed to my lips, hoping the lady on my lap would get the message. The mamasan asked if I would get her a drink, and I simply shook my head no. This surprised my aggressive assaulter, who got off and asked me why incredulously. I simply told her, "She was not my type, Mi Die". She tried to plead her case, but repeating the same line while I coolly sipped my beer had her strut off with the familiar gait of indignation. A word of thanks to Bravo, for helping me navigate this situation so smoothly! There were another couple of girls whose smiles asked me for an invitation, to which I simply responded sad smile and shook my head no.

I don't know if I'm become more picky as a result of all my recent mongering, but none of the girls caught my eye instantly. In the back of mind, I was also wary of the possibility of ladyboys, having been warned by a previous outcall that everyone in Nana is a ladyboy. There was one girl who looked a little cute, but she looked very skinny, the skin of her buttocks even sagging slightly; possibly as a result of a crash diet. Halfway through my beer, the table to my right had vacated, so I moved my beer and bin to get a better view of the left of the stage, signing to the mamasan to let her know. There was a girl with a beautiful full back tattoo, and another rocking some really sexy thigh high leather boots, but neither were my type. It was then that I saw the skinny girl move from her previous location to the center of the stage and she was certainly grooving with me music; her moves matching the tempo of the frankly mediocre DJ. Her hustle was endearing to me, so I asked mamasan to send her over right as the stage changed shifts. I had to repeat the digits, while the girls dispersed and seemingly evaporated. I expected them to be floating amongst the patrons, but I couldn't spot a single one for a good 5 minutes or so. Even the mamasan was nowhere to be seen. I decided that if I was still alone by the time I finished my beer, I would simply clear my dues and scope out the next floor. The mamasan returned almost as I was done and told me she was in the bathroom with an apologetic look. Bee emerged just in time, so I ordered her a drink just as my first bottle had been emptied. Mamasan asked me for a drink, to which I responded with a quizzical look, before acquiescing. I'm hoping the second of hesitation keeps me from being branded a sucker. She said, "I take care you" and marched off before she heard me ask for another beer. Bee tried to shout to get her attention, but working in such a loud environment has probably taken its toll on mamasan's ears. She took my first bill, bringing a new printed bill, where I noticed one of my beers had been omitted. Not sure if this was my mamasan taking care of me, or simply an oversight, I simply cleared the new bill. I was pleasantly surprised to find the lady drink was in fact a shot of straight liquor, even remarking to Bee explaining that other places I had been to did not always do the same. Her face contorted as she downed her Tequila and gingerly drained the lemon wedge into her mouth. I used this as an excuse to tease her, before segueing into asking about her tattoos. I showed her mine and we talked about them for a bit, before she asked me if I liked the music and if I liked to dance. We then started to move in time to the music and she certainly had a good sense of rhythm and followed my lead very well. She would flash me the broadest grin whenever she noticed me looking at her. The grin reminded me a lot of my girl from the PIMP. She ordered another shot, but this time I had her lick the salt off of my hand and squeezed the lime into mouth myself. I had decided on her for the night, so I asked if she'd like to come home me. It took her a few seconds before asking me if I wanted to barfine. She then stared off, probably trying to recall her prices, since those were the next words out of her mouth. 1 k Bar Fine, and 3 k for ST. I asked about LT, which brought an instant change in facial expression and demeanor as though I had asked her for a kidney. I tried to ask her how long ST would be, but I don't think she understood or perhaps she thought I was attempting to haggle. She waved over a rather heavyset, grumpy older lady who simply presented my with a cell phone photo of the very same prices scribbled in marker. Clearly the environment was too loud to properly clarify terms, so I decided that I would be fine even if it was an hour, but hoped to get 3 or 4 out of her. I paid for her second lady drink and tried booking a Grab while she got dressed.

Grab was being stubborn, refusing to find a cab outside Nana, so leading Bee to the intersection, I tried a few more times. Booking from the intersection was an instant success but it took a couple minutes to find the car. On the ride back, she remained silent, staring out at the passing lights as we made our way to the hotel. Escorting her across the hotel foyer, I appreciated that she managed to match my stride. The broad smile she gave me as I gently nudged her under her chin was adorable. She folded her hands and gave a little bow as she entered my room. Kissing her as she sat down on my bed in between eye contact and her broad grin did enough to set the mood. She asked to take a shower and made her way to the bathroom. I put on a playlist and entered in after her. She asked if I wanted to take a shower too and I told her I would join her shortly, giving her a little spank. Once we had toweled off, I attempted to lead her to the bed, but she stopped me, wanting to check her weight. A meager 38.4 kg, which almost certainly met the definition for Anorexia Nervosa. I took the opportunity pick her up and feign that I would toss her onto the bed before kissing her and laying her down gently. We kissed a little longer before she asked to turn over, so that she could blow me. A very gentle blowjob, but her ability to deep throat was unparalleled; gobbling me down to my base. She wasn't hurried at all and I hoped that I could finish in her pretty little mouth as I held a fistful of her long hair clenched in my hands. She rose and asked me if I had a condom, to which my response was, "No condom ok?" She accepted in a few seconds and lay on her back licking her hand to lubricate my entry as I lay on top of her. She was obviously far too tight and probably needed more foreplay, so I gently kissed her as I made my way to DATY. She blocked me off with both her hands and refused very embarrassedly. I tried to distract her before trying again, but no dice. Instead she guided me upward to her face and slobbered all over my little friend, before guiding me lower to penetrate her. It was during this time, I began wondering whether she was in fact a post op trans woman. The lack of fat made judging her gender by her pelvis difficult, but she had natural feminine breasts, even though they were rather small. Entering her, I found her to be moist, even though not quite as dilated as I would have liked. I wasn't long before I began feeling that familiar pressure rising up, so I asked her if finishing inside would be ok, and she nodded yes hurriedly. She was probably very tired judging by the prominent dark circles under her eyes. I flipped her over and only lasted 2 minutes before emptying my entire clip inside her. She hurriedly trotted off to the shower with a hand under her crotch, so as to not spill a drop.

I joined her to clean up and she said she would change. I asked her for another round and she responded the same way she had when I asked her for LT; she would certainly not be giving me her kidney. She stayed turned away from me in the shower, so I walked back out till she was ready to towel off. I helped her get dressed before I asked her for another round, this time much more gently. She was insistent, but having gotten BBFS CIP, I was satisfied, so I simply gave her some touch and gentle kisses. I even reapplied some Aquaphor to her dry and cracked lips as I had done when she entered my room. I find it surprising how many of these girls don't use lip balm of any kind. Out of the bathroom, I walked over to my wallet and handed over her payment before opening the door for her exit. She bowed once again, saying "See you next time" and left. Short, but sweet, and I get plenty of sleep once again.

[B]Total Damages[/B] = 4,935 - 2 lady drinks, 1 mamasan drink, 2 (or 1) Singha, BF, ST.

Until next time, fuck you and happy fucking!

P.S. I forgot the damages from Baccara so I'll just toss that in here:

4540 - 2 Singha, 2 Lady Drinks, BF, ST.

Another way of looking at it:

Oww EE (long E), is "another", as in when you want another Singha, "Oww EE Kap".

I asked a Thai, and MY Oww was translated as "no no no".

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780710]I'm not sure what you mean by tonal in this case, but I've found it to be mostly staccato accentuated with certain elongated syllables, which are almost sung. Getting the rhythm and flow is more important than the actual pronunciation I think, but I'd need to spend more time listening to it to know for sure.[/QUOTE]Sorry, Thai, like Mandarin, is TONAL, and tone is [B]EVERYTHING[/B]. 5 tones: low, middle, high, rising, falling (and all DEPENDENT on the speaker). Example: MY means no. I've met a number of girls named MY, and I used to think what parent would name their kid NO. But MY, IN A DIFFERENT TONE, means NEW. Thais hear the difference, I can't. That sing-song you hear are the tones DIFFERENTIATING various words. If English used tones, then HERE and HEAR would never be confused. Luckily, Thais are VERY understanding about my mispronunciations and interpret the correct tone in context.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780710]Fun fact about language is that only 7% is verbal, the vast majority is body language and tone. The only caveat here is that cultural differences result in different interpretations of certain tones and gestures, but it only takes a day or 2 to start imitating the local flow for me personally.[/QUOTE]English [I]tones[/I] and Asian language [I]tones[/I] two different things; English is emotion, Asian denotes various word meanings.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780710]I do often find myself marveling at the change in human behavior as a result of our advanced ability to communicate. Not being able to reach someone was a completely normal occurrence, but now we get so frustrated by 'ghosting'. The world was probably a lot more relaxed in general I feel, but I was far too young to truly appreciate it. In today's world, I think I'd panic without my phone. My sense of direction is so abysmal that I would be lost without GPS at my fingertips. Back when I was 15, I did spend about 2 hours looking for my way back to my hotel from a restaurant after my friends pranked me by deserting me on a field trip to a different city. No phone on account of my school's policy and even then smart phones weren't exactly a thing back then.[/QUOTE]I'm fortunate, I have a pretty good since of direction, [U]usually[/U] able to navigate by dead reckoning and inertial navigation. Though with a smart phone's GPS, I do lose touch; just spent 30 minutes yesterday looking for a bus stop when I got turned around and my phone was not updating for awhile and I was relying that it was.

For me, smart phones mixed blessing. Before any mobile, you had to rely on luck and quickness of connecting with a bg again (as in going to the bar the next night early enough to pull her before someone else did). Coming back after several months, good luck if she'd moved, would have to hope one of her friends recognized you and let you know where she'd gone. Non-smart mobiles, SMS, great, you could get her number, sms to see where she was. Smart, with Line, easy peasy, I've kept in contact with several over the years, makes it so easy to pick up where we left off. And with those that I have their number but haven't kept in contact with, at least I have a shot (pun intended) with them again, to find out where they are now. WeChat works the same for PRC's. Just today, looking for a PRC I [I]know[/I], biblical sense, sent her a message; she responded that she's in China for the New Year, will let me know when she returns. The negative is that some, particularly the younger generation (and to me, that's everyone) can be GLUED to them. But, during the Soi 23 walk selection process, does make decisions easier: if she's more interested in her phone than me, she's excluded.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780710]At Suzy Wong, all the drinks were priced the same. [/QUOTE]Stick had a write up on Suzy Wong recently, including their lady drinks.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780710]To be fair, it is a GREAT excuse. I've had many a friend locked out because of exactly this reason on more than one occasion, so it's a lot harder to know when it's BS. At the very least, we had never negotiated time and price beforehand, so 3 k for ST seemed fair enough.[/QUOTE][B]YOU[/B] hadn't negotiated the price beforehand, SHE had already decided. There was a discussion here (or maybe Pattaya thread) about this ploy and the solutions. Yours was appropriate, ST for ST.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780710]Underground tunnel sounds like an old school Earthen oven and the Bangkok weather does not need more help in cooking me. I'll take the breeze of the elevated walkway anyway, unless the tunnel is A / see. Even on the BTS, I try to stand directly under an A / see vent.[/QUOTE]It's a short tunnel, just crossing Asoke, and picks up the a / see from the metro. Yes, it's not a breeze, but it's quick and short.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780710]I recently stumbled upon that blog and read a couple of weekly updates as well as some reader emails on there. Are you suggesting we PM over there?[/QUOTE]No need for PM. With a PM functionality HERE, I'd have sent a link, but was hoping the google reference would be sufficient. He's been a good source of BKK info for a long time (previously, it was the Bangkok Post [B]newspaper[/B], Friday edition, The Night Owl column, RIP Mr. Trink, a TRUE BKK institution).

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2780710]t's more the high humidity that's associated with rain that's an issue as opposed to the precipitation itself. High humidity means our ability to reduce body heat through sweating is impaired.[/QUOTE]Agreed, it's the humidity that's the killer. I sweat like a pig, so the first thing I do at an MP is a shower. Even when my fav, after 3 years, rushed to give me a BIG hug and DFK, I had to push her away UNTIL I'd hit the showers. TIT (ala Trink).

[QUOTE=BabiWilson88;2780758]I went to Bangkok last month. I visited few clubs in Sukhuvmit Soi 11, Levels and Sugar Club. Not much girls able to pick up compare with Insanity club. Anyone can recommend which nightclub is easy to pick up in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE](sarcasm on) Some great FR's there, but I don't see what the problem is. Given that most Thai girls are less than 50 kg, why are you having trouble picking them up? (sarcasm off).

[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2776019]Sky is the limit, but a rough estimate is about 4 K-5 K Baht a day. You mention a couple shots on goal, so I'd say 6-7 K a day.

Since I'm not on the ground, I'll defer to the seniors / regulars on this. But my understanding is that 2-3 K ST and 5 K upwards for LT.

Again, differing reports, but bar fines at Gogos are in the region of 1-1. 5 K.

Nana: Reports indicate that Spankys, Twister, Rainbow 5, and Billboard are the pick of the litter.

SC: Reports indicate that the girls are generally older and not as good looking. Crazy House gets mention.

Note though that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

I guess you would've read the reports below. It's not making much sense carrying currency. So maybe bring $1000 in new crisp notes and use your debit card for drawing on site.

Sorry. Can't help here.

Play it by ear and don't overthink it.

If something feels off, walk away. There are literally hundreds of other girls.

Keep your belongings close to you.

Think twice before choosing LT.

Ladyboys.

Gogos have closed doors and many a time the girls are 'dancing' topless / nude (though this should not be expected).

Beer bars: It's as the name suggests. A bar where you're sipping on beers while being surrounded by pretty women who want your attention. Bar fines are lower and in many of them, you get food too.

Hope this helps. Enjoy and do let us know how your first trip went.[/QUOTE]Thank you for taking the time and effort to help. I'm eagerly looking forward to my BKK trip coming April and look forward to posting my adventures here in the forum!! My very first time! Hope there are no more unforeseen new covid regulations then!

Thermae had about 50 girls early on Tuesday night with about 25 plus doable (to me).

There was nothing of worth (to me) on the street.

Nanaplaza was hopping and there was a plethora of hotties (in my mind).

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781061]Another way of looking at it:

Oww EE (long E), is "another", as in when you want another Singha, "Oww EE Kap".

I asked a Thai, and MY Oww was translated as "no no no".

Sorry, Thai, like Mandarin, is TONAL, and tone is [B]EVERYTHING[/B]. 5 tones: low, middle, high, rising, falling (and all DEPENDENT on the speaker). Example: MY means no. I've met a number of girls named MY, and I used to think what parent would name their kid NO. But MY, IN A DIFFERENT TONE, means NEW. Thais hear the difference, I can't. That sing-song you hear are the tones DIFFERENTIATING various words. If English used tones, then HERE and HEAR would never be confused. Luckily, Thais are VERY understanding about my mispronunciations and interpret the correct tone in context.

English [I]tones[/I] and Asian language [I]tones[/I] two different things; English is emotion, Asian denotes various word meanings.[/QUOTE]This is very enlightening, and here I thought pronunciations were hard enough. Fortunately I've had to develop my ear since I was pretty much tone deaf growing up, so picking up the tone is easier. Like humming along with a song in a language you do not understand. Plus the consistent tone would make the word less mistakable I think.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781061][B]YOU[/B] hadn't negotiated the price beforehand, SHE had already decided. There was a discussion here (or maybe Pattaya thread) about this ploy and the solutions. Yours was appropriate, ST for ST.[/QUOTE]Touché, and I'll have to look for it.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781061]It's a short tunnel, just crossing Asoke, and picks up the a / see from the metro. Yes, it's not a breeze, but it's quick and short.[/QUOTE]Well, I don't think I'll be visiting Cowboy again this time, since I have yet to see the higher floors on Nana and Patpong. So I'll have to try and remember that for my next visit.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781061]No need for PM. With a PM functionality HERE, I'd have sent a link, but was hoping the google reference would be sufficient. He's been a good source of BKK info for a long time (previously, it was the Bangkok Post [B]newspaper[/B], Friday edition, The Night Owl column, RIP Mr. Trink, a TRUE BKK institution).[/QUOTE]Ah! I didn't figure that links weren't allowed in replies, so that makes sense.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781061]I sweat like a pig[/QUOTE]Same! The first guy who held pads for my Muay Thai session had to get me a towel, because the amount of sweat flying into his eyes was too much for him to handle. I have often joked that there is always a high chance of rain in a 2 m radius wherever I'm boxing.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781061]Given that most Thai girls are less than 50 kg, why are you having trouble picking them up?[/QUOTE]LMFAO!

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2781009]I didn't read the previous post, tldr LOL, so maybe my context might be off but aren't we all marks to them. We're there to give them money and they'll do what they can to get it.[/QUOTE]The OP had never been to a strip club before or done any of this, so he was most certainly doing something unsual and just doesn't know what's up and didn't understand he was being weird or something. His experience is so unusual, not just for Baccara, not just cowboy, not just Thailand, not just strip clubs that its like "oh boy, the location isn't the thing that's the problem". Lets just say, OP was almost certainly throwing out some red flags and awkwardness. Something was up.

Yeah we're all marks and never forget it, but all the marks have levels.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2781023]Thanks for an amazingly detailed report! For me personally, haggling kills the vibe, so I'll stay away from bargirls at Baccara. But I'm glad it worked out for you. How much was the ST that you ended up paying?[/QUOTE]3 k for 1 hour.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2781257]The OP had never been to a strip club before or done any of this, so he was most certainly doing something unsual and just doesn't know what's up and didn't understand he was being weird or something. His experience is so unusual, not just for Baccara, not just cowboy, not just Thailand, not just strip clubs that its like "oh boy, the location isn't the thing that's the problem". Lets just say, OP was almost certainly throwing out some red flags and awkwardness. Something was up.[/QUOTE]It was unusual to me too, which is why I pointed it out. After last night, I've been to 6 gogos (I'm not counting Jungle Jims's) and only Baccara rubbed me the wrong way when they weren't busy. My behavior hasn't changed over the past week, so just taking this small sample, Baccara is definitely the exception. Had this been my only experience, I would have been less likely to think it was the establishment. Even if it were my first experience, I would think this is how they run since I have heard of some strip clubs that tend to operate in a similar manner. I've heard of a few similar stories I'm still struggling to even imagine what red flags and awkwardness would warrant a bouncer to block my entry until I bought a drink though.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2781257]Yeah we're all marks and never forget it, but all the marks have levels.[/QUOTE]Definitely, but as the saying goes, you catch more flies with honey. When there's plenty of other options that will treat me with basic courtesy, I'm not masochistic enough to waste my time or money at one that doesn't.

Round 2 at Nana plaza and time to check out the upper floors. I saw Spanky's first, and having heard good things about the place, I decided to check some of the other bars first. Walking past a lady with a folded pool noodle, [B]Angel Witch[/B] came into view. Remembering that they have "sexy shows" every hour, I glanced down at my wrist and it was 10:00, so I thought it was the perfect time for this bar. I grabbed a seat in front of the stage and after first getting the wrong beer, I was presented with my usual Singha. Most of the girls on stage were older than I like, probably none of them under 30. They were definitely having fun though, evident from their expressions and the playfulness in interacting with each other. There was also a shower cubicle, or should I say shower cylinder in the corner with tips emblazoned across the glass. A lady was washing herself inside and I was slightly bewildered at the odd sight. There were posters above the stage and above the bar that read, "Ladies want your balls" with prices for ping pong balls, probably a relic from shows of the past I thought to myself. Speaking of relics, quite a few of the patrons were much older than I was used to seeing. One man hobbled over to the bathroom before returning and struggling to settle his bill. One of the managers had to yell and explain it him over the blaring classic rock. The way a few of the mature gentlemen were ogling the ladies was more the wide eyed stare I had come to expected from those that still needed to present their IDs for entry. I envied their joy to be honest as I was slowly nursing my beer in wait. A legitimately "hansom man" nodded over one of the ladies exhaling his e-cigarette fumes through his nostrils like a mighty dragon. It was as though Johny Signs himself was present in this bar and my sexuality may have wavered for an instant just watching the way he held himself with such confidence. As the clocked ticked to 10:10, I began to wonder whether and when the show would finally start, since I had decided to leave after watching one. Maybe a minute later, the lights dimmed and the ladies began descending as the DJ made an incomprehensible announcement. 4 of them returned with led lingerie covering the black bra and thong combo they were rocking moments before. The lingerie has cutouts for the breast and a cutout in the back that looked perfect for a bunny tail. Perhaps the upcoming Chinese New Year has influenced me more than I thought, since it was more likely for the tiny triangle of thong fabric. The performance was quite lackluster and the girls weren't quite in sync, but they did hammer the pool noodles in their hand loudly on the stage in time to the chorus. Next up, was a solitary blonde in a loose fitting black jumpsuit. A chair was slid across the stage and her performance was much better, even garnering a few applause from the audience at the end. Her's was a classic striptease, where she unzipped her sleeves and pant legs before flinging the torso of the jumpsuit to a man who made a show of gratefully putting it on. Following this was another 4 schoolgirls in sailor suits with the skirts pulled up to their navels, fully exposing their thongs. This dance involved the poles a lot more with a lot of grinding. The performance concluded with 2 of the girls donning 12 inch strap ONS to simulate sex. I couldn't help but chuckle as I settled my bill and the stage was once again adorned by girls in black underwear. The only girl I had found attractive was unfortunately my waitress, but I wasn't sure if chatting her up would be considered a faux pas, so instead I proceeded to the next venue for this evening.

*[B]Damages:[/B]: 180 - Singha.

[B]Rainbow 5[/B] beckoned me in with the sheer number of girls on display. They had 2 full stages and plenty of girls mingling with the patrons. I took a seat, scanning to find some company while sipping on a very chilled Singha. None of the girls were to my liking, but only being able to inspect one of the stages, I waited for them to switch. The bar was beginning to fill up, so the mamasan asked that I move in to accommodate some of the newer entries. I obliged and a few minutes later spotted a cutie in a yellow bikini that was perfect. Unfortunately now being surrounded by men on all sides, it was impossible to get the attention of any of the managers despite the obscene amount of hand waving I resorted to. I had to literally get out and tell them the girl I wanted in one of the manager's ear. Recalling 11 Bravo's advice, I did not want my meal stolen from out under me again, but it was too late. The manager returned pointed to the man who had done just that. I spent a long time but could not pick an alternative. By some stroke of luck, yellow bikini returned to the stage and feeling exceedingly lucky, I strode over hurriedly to request her presence. Elle was cute adorned with many a tiny tattoo. A simple along the thumb, "start again" daintily adorning her wrist. Having bought her and the manager a drink, before I was to make a shocking discovery. SHE WAS ON HER PERIOD! No wonder that man didn't take her home. She even complained how she had lost 6 k that night on account of Aunt Flo. I decided to take a stroll to see if I could salvage the situation without leaving the bar and I found someone passable. I invited her over and found that Rainbow 5 counts a whiskey and coke as 2 drinks and not the mixed drink one would assume. I gave both the girl and manager a quizzical look before acquiescing, hoping this would get me a few brownie points with the girl who was looking a tad preoccupied. She would not stop texting her "sister" and it was utterly impossible to elevate her mood in the slightest. She excused herself to the bathroom and noticing her glass was empty, I didn't expect her to return. She did however, for all of 2 minutes, before asking to return to the stage. I decided to try and close, but she quoted 10 k for LT, I then asked her for ST thinking she was just giving me a ridiculous price since she preferred ST. Nope. 5 k for ST. I called her out on it before dismissing her. The manager came to enquire and I told her I had struck out again. I cleared my bill and headed over to the bathroom. They had an attentive attendant who would make space for you to wash our hands offering a freshly steamed towel afterward. He did gently wave his hand over to the tip tray and both times I fished out one of the bigger coins from my pocket to drop into it. As I exited the bathroom intending to leave, I caught sight of an absolute stunner. The gambler in me thought I had finally struck gold, so I asked her to follow me directly. Nan was unbelievably fun, only surpassed by how cute she was. She ordered just a coke and apologized for not drinking. After the whiskey coke situation, I was more relieved than anything, reassuring her that it was completely alright. When I was about to bring up the bar fine, she told me that SHE TOO WAS ON HER PERIOD! What are the motherfucking chances?! We both commiserated over the fact that she had lost 3 potential customers and I had lost 3 as well. I casually remarked that the menstruating ladies should perhaps have a different colored number badge, so that punters would know the prospects before wasting their money. She joked that I should become a manager here. She was extremely fun, so I decided to take a short menstrual history, in the hopes that I could possibly set her up for one of the following nights. [B]11Bravo's[/B] tip about keeping in touch for easy logistics was to thank for the idea, but to my misfortune she would likely remain on the rag till I left. I explained to her why I asked and she excitedly pulled out her phone for me to scan her Line barcode in the case that she would somehow be off her period before I left. I teased her that she had given me a fake name since she was actually Nuttawadee, scolded her pesky uterus a few times before asking for a kiss. She bashfully refused, only to give me a tight peck on the cheek as I turned my head in show of mock dejection.

[B]One thing to note for fellow punters[/B] is that the cell phone usage on stage is unbelievable. I counted at least 5 who would be spending a not insignificant time on their phones fully exposed. I was a little impressed how they were able to comfortably keep the phones held in place by the thin strings of their underwear. I'm definitely adding this to my list of red flags when picking out a girl.

Three strikes, and I'm out.

[B]Damages[/B] = 1350 - 4 Singha for me, 2 Tequilas, 2 Cokes, 1 Whiskey for the staff, and a generous amount of bad luck for free.

I ascended to the highest floor and the tasteful neon signs were a cut above. The presentation here is not something I would have expected from the impression I had of the plaza after seeing the ground floor. I had locked onto [B]Billboard[/B] and my was the place fancy. A rotating carousel of girls at one end, a jacuzzi on the other end with topless girls and punters in a visible state of revelry. Great vibes all around, that was for certain. As soon as I entered, a mamasan dressed in a red and gold Chinese uniform instantly struck up a conversation welcoming me back and asking if I remembered her since she certainly remembered me. I didn't know if this was a ploy or she had had one too many mamasan drinks, but it was certainly the best reception I had had in any bar especially Baccara! I plopped myself onto an empty stool by the jacuzzi, catching the gaze of one of the topless hotties. I flashed her a wink and a smirk and she responded in kind- my night was FINALLY beginning to turn around I thought. None of the jacuzzi girls were to my taste, so I swiveled my chair to the carousel instead. The idea of a carousel is brilliant, allowing everyone to get a good view of the merchandise without having to change seats or take a lap of the bar. I spotted a Butterly tattoo on the shoulder of someone who looked good to me. It was only she who consistently caught my 3 over 3 revolutions and that was the amount of time I needed to decipher her badge number. I flagged down my long lost mamasan and moved over to a booth to get a little more intimate. She was fun and really confident. We danced a little after she too apologized for not drinking alcohol. When I brought up bar fine, I learned of a strange system at Billboard where LT bar fines cost more than ST bar fines- 1000 and 700 respectively. She agreed to 6 k for LT and I confirmed that meant the next morning, so as to not be surprised like I had been with my Baccara girl.

*[B]Damages[/B] = 1745 - Bar fine, lady drink, beer, and a drink for the mamasan with a clairvoyant memory.

Back at my room, she like almost every other girl before her had to check her weight after the shower- 46.6. That's my cue to pick her up of course. She had set her boundary of not wanting me to go down on her early. On the taxi ride over, she had kept her nose covered because of the smell, so I figured she was picky about these things and CIM was likely off the table. She told me she wanted to [I]play[/I] with me as she pulled out a bottle of Durex play from her bag. Her blowjob was very sensual and she straddled me and rode me for a couple of minutes before turning to reverse cowgirls and going to work! And work she did, pounding away for over 10 minutes with a consistent rhythm as I watched her love juices trickles down my little friend, punctuating it with a spank every now and then. We did missionary for a while and then doggy, before the condom began to dry as usual. Unfortunately bareback was definitely off the table today, and I hadn't replenished my stock of condoms. I was perhaps a little too overconfident after my previous few successes, and should have had a backup plan. She gave me a very long handjob before I tried to negotiate for bareback again, still no dice. She also wanted me to come, so we settled on a blowjob but without the ideal finish. Throughout our session, she had brought up her hunger a few times, but that she wanted to eat afterward. I had fully decided to order her some room service, but was a little more hesitant knowing that I couldn't penetrate her the rest of the night because of my poor planning. She asked if I liked Pizza in the shower and I responded no. When we got out she said she would go out and eat and I could sleep, so I reneged to ST and she accepted. Thinking about it sober, this may have been a soft invitation for me to accompany her and I could have possibly bought more condoms (if a 24 h store is a thing here), but at 3:30 AM I was just tired and despite our session, enough had gone wrong this night that I wasn't in the mood to do anything other than pass the fuck out. I pulled out 3 k for her and helped her pick the location on grab before letting her out and collapsing on my bed.

[B]Total Damages[/B] = 6275 for a very long night. Fuck it! Fuck you! And happy fucking!

Someone even posted a photo of their shutters down of Google maps 2 days ago. I couldn't find meet the world on Google Maps either.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781057]A word of thanks to Bravo, for helping me navigate this situation so smoothly! There were another couple of girls whose smiles asked me for an invitation, to which I simply responded sad smile and shook my head no.[/QUOTE]Glad I could be of some help. I look at it this way: it's a win-win situation when you immediately reject. If I'm not interested, I immediately tell her, "No thank you, I won't barfine you, I won't buy you a lady drink. If you sit here, you will just lose time". I've told innumerable girls that "you'll just lose time" in those exact words. They understand. A win for them, because I WON'T buy a lady drink from peer pressure. Likewise, a win for me, because it frees up MY landing slot for someone I might be interested in. MY experience, no girl will cut in on a colleague. If they try, they are just after a lady drink.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781118]This is very enlightening, and here I thought pronunciations were hard enough. Fortunately I've had to develop my ear since I was pretty much tone deaf growing up, so picking up the tone is easier. Like humming along with a song in a language you do not understand. Plus the consistent tone would make the word less mistakable I think.[/QUOTE]Next time you're with a girl in a QUIET location, ask her how to say "No" and "New" in Thai, listen for the difference. Maybe you can hear it, I can't. Plus, that's a single, ISOLATED word, not the [I]flow[/I] of a conversation.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781118]Well, I don't think I'll be visiting Cowboy again this time, since I have yet to see the higher floors on Nana and Patpong. So I'll have to try and remember that for my next visit.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. Some bars ring your bell; in other bars, you get your bell rung (as in boxing). Some bars I just like, others just don't appeal for whatever reason.

But don't discount the underground tunnel. To kill some time during an afternoon, take a stroll along Soi 23 (the one at the far end of Soi Cowboy), turning left as you exit Cowboy. A block or 2 down, on the right hand side as you're walking away from Sukhumvit, there are several blocks of MP's with girls sitting outside. I have found a few gems there. Anyway, I always enjoy an afternoon stroll, even if nothing catches my eye.

Another member asked about salt-tapping. I'd strongly suggest a visit to Sakura Akasuri:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2760257&viewfull=1#post2760257[/URL]

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One of the things I truly enjoy when I'm there and miss when I'm not. It's a MUST stop for me, if not once a week, then every other week. Nice way to kill 100 minutes in an afternoon. Popular with the Koreans, so masseuses can be limited.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781118]Ah! I didn't figure that links weren't allowed in replies, so that makes sense.[/QUOTE]It's really links to competing forums which including will get you a yellow card (post deleted by admin). I'm just overly cautious.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781407]Glad I could be of some help. I look at it this way: it's a win-win situation when you immediately reject. If I'm not interested, I immediately tell her, "No thank you, I won't barfine you, I won't buy you a lady drink. If you sit here, you will just lose time". I've told innumerable girls that "you'll just lose time" in those exact words. They understand. A win for them, because I WON'T buy a lady drink from peer pressure. Likewise, a win for me, because it frees up MY landing slot for someone I might be interested in. MY experience, no girl will cut in on a colleague. If they try, they are just after a lady drink.[/QUOTE]Agreed! Also I think that's a very simple and blunt way to put it. You cut any BS politeness that wastes everyone's time!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781407]Next time you're with a girl in a QUIET location, ask her how to say "No" and "New" in Thai, listen for the difference. Maybe you can hear it, I can't. Plus, that's a single, ISOLATED word, not the [I]flow[/I] of a conversation.[/QUOTE]I just tried it on my google translate app, since I don't know if I'll get a chance to in conversation without it being super awkward and jarring. New is very low, whereas no is higher by maybe 2 octaves (I'm no musician but I picked this up by singing poorly in their presence), no also inflects downward by maybe 1/2 an octave. The inflection is the easier part to appreciate since one is static and the other isn't. Again I noticed this listening to each word in isolation in a quiet location and paying close attention, similar to how I would listen to someone's heart sounds or breath sounds. When spoken fluently, it will definitely be much harder to notice. I would need to spend a lot more time consuming Thai media to even begin comprehending a few words.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781407]Fair enough. Some bars ring your bell; in other bars, you get your bell rung (as in boxing). Some bars I just like, others just don't appeal for whatever reason. [/QUOTE]Oh no, I just thought I would spend more time seeing Nana and Patpong. I'm a completionist and a gambler, so I always like to exhaust all enticing options before I start repeating my favorites. That said, I noticed Patpong is about an hour by BTS and 40 minutes return by taxi, so perhaps I'll save that for my next visit and book a hotel closer. That is if Patpong is still alive. From all accounts it appears to be dying slowly, but people claim a similar thing about Nana and I had a great time at Billboard last night, so maybe it's mostly just standard nostalgia.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781407]Anyway, I always enjoy an afternoon stroll, even if nothing catches my eye. [/QUOTE]If you sweat as much as I do, you must truly be a masochist. I can't think of venturing out before 5 unless it's important or air conditioned.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781407]Another member asked about salt-tapping. I'd strongly suggest a visit to Sakura Akasuri:

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One of the things I truly enjoy when I'm there and miss when I'm not. It's a MUST stop for me, if not once a week, then every other week. Nice way to kill 100 minutes in an afternoon. Popular with the Koreans, so masseuses can be limited.[/QUOTE]I remember reading that the last time I was in town, but I don't think the scrub is my thing. I tend to scrub pretty thoroughly in the shower and my skin is much more sensitive than most. Thanks for the tip though!

10,000 long time makes sense.

If they are as Hot as guy is saying what's the point in going LT. 2 shorties will do.

6,000 quote short time. Somethings up there. It's still 3,000 as of last week.

2 girls on period could be coincidence.

I'm specifically pointing out Rainbow 5 price.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781390]Star of Light. PERMANENTLY CLOSED. Someone even posted a photo of their shutters down of Google maps 2 days ago. I couldn't find meet the world on Google Maps either.[/QUOTE]Hey, let's be careful about rumors WITHOUT BOTG. Shutters down would be a good sign; when I was there in Nov=Dec 2022, there were 2 plywood sheets blocking the DOOR. Shutters down would be an improvement. And, be careful of Google map photos, especially street. Make sure you check the date of the photo.

In this post there are links to Meet the Woirld FR's. [B]Make sure you know the prices before going, and CONFIRM BEFORE (as in "beer still 100 baht?").[/B] You've been there before (OK, by reading FR's but sill [S]...[/S]) Beer: 100 baht, Lady drink (recommend to buy, buying removes her clothes when on the couch, if not before): 150 baht, BJ: 800 baht, FS: 1200 baht.

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How to get there:

Assuming you'll be taking either the BTS or the MRT, both stations are on Silom. For the BTS, exit to the right (based on coming from Siam), continue walking in the same direction you were traveling in, right hand side of the street. For MRT, I always climb up to the elevated walkeway for the BTS, exiting just before the turnstyles.

Patpong 2's exit onto Silom can be hard to spot, so just walk to Patpong 1 (Google maps will have). It will be on your right; look for "PATPONG" on an arch over the road. Walk into Patpong 1, walking away from Silom. Take the first short alley on the right to Patpong 2. Find Foodland, the supermarket. That is your starting point of reference.

With your BACK to Foodland, turn right, walking away from Silom. 10 M from Foodland's doors, there will be an "opening" to your right where now there is a covered arcade along the right hand wall parallel to Patpong 2. When facing the arcade, there will be a beer bar on the right with bar stools. Just under the arcade, right where it starts, is the Star of Light.

Google "star of light" patpong images

with a select all when Google responds, and you will see something similar to what you should be seeing. What I saw was the window, with plywood sheets across the door. Maybe SOL has expired, but I'm sure a number here would appreciate an EYEBALL report.

Now, for Meet the World: as you are standing there, looking at SOL, to your left, there will be a stairway up to (I say 2nd floor). Go up to the 2nd floor. As you are facing the bars there, turn LEFT, so that you are again walking away from Silom. You will pass a gay bar section, continue walking (or not, up to you). Very near the end, will be Meet the World. If in the afternoon, most likely, there will be some women sitting outside, door open. If the door is closed, there MIGHT be another customer inside. Don't be bashful, just knock. And when I say "near the end" of the row, end refers to Suriwong Road, and it's just to the RIGHT of the last stairway up nearest to Suriwong Road. So when finished, exit Meet the World, with your back towards the bar, turn right walking away from Silom, and 5 M there will be a stairway down.

[QUOTE=The Kaiser;2781454]Oh no, I just thought I would spend more time seeing Nana and Patpong. I'm a completionist and a gambler, so I always like to exhaust all enticing options before I start repeating my favorites. That said, I noticed Patpong is about an hour by BTS and 40 minutes return by taxi, so perhaps I'll save that for my next visit and book a hotel closer. That is if Patpong is still alive. From all accounts it appears to be dying slowly, but people claim a similar thing about Nana and I had a great time at Billboard last night, so maybe it's mostly just standard nostalgia.[/QUOTE]For me, easiest and quickest way is to take the MRT from Asoke (down into the tunnel). Saves the long dog's leg and change at Siam on the BTS. Maybe 20 minutes on the MRT, only 4 stops. Forget taxis. MRT is the way, or if you want to catch the skylines, BTS. [B]IMHO[/B], you're missing out on a BKK [b]experience[/b] without a Meet the World [i]swarm[/i]. Great way to spend some time in an afternoon, and the MRT has a/c, and afterwards, grab a "nam-a-now soda" (lime juice with soda water) at the Foodland restaurant.

Patpong is dead. I rolled through there the other night.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781564]

In this post there are links to Meet the Woirld FR's. [B]Make sure you know the prices before going, and CONFIRM BEFORE (as in "beer still 100 baht?").[/B] You've been there before (OK, by reading FR's but sill [S]...[/S]) Beer: 100 baht, Lady drink (recommend to buy, buying removes her clothes when on the couch, if not before): 150 baht, BJ: 800 baht, FS: 1200 baht.
[/QUOTE]Ah, MTW should thank you and this forum for added traffic.

Word of caution to fellow mongers though. While girls indeed provide awesome service and (depending on what's your cup of tea) it can really be awesomely depraved to eat out one lady while the other does her best to suck the living daylights out of you in the middle of a bar while you hold a beer, girls do seem to use some sort of mouth disinfectant which leaves my dick crying a transparent fluid for about 2 weeks. Whether its some sort of STD or infection I don't know (tested negative first time around across everything on my regular check), but I had to stop going as it kept recurring every time for me. Maybe I'm just sensitive to something and get an inflammation IDK, but if not for that MTW would be my nr 1 BJ / FS bar in Bangkok. Might still return for (oh the horror) CBJ, CFS (yup... if you hansum man bareback is probs easily available - was to me) and some DATY.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781564]Hey, let's be careful about rumors WITHOUT BOTG. Shutters down would be a good sign; when I was there in Nov=Dec 2022, there were 2 plywood sheets blocking the DOOR. Shutters down would be an improvement. And, be careful of Google map photos, especially street. Make sure you check the date of the photo.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. The only reason I believed it was the photo of the shutters down from now 3 days ago. Google maps has given me erroneous info before as well. I was honestly hoping that perhaps someone on this forum had been in the past couple days to either confirm or deny.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781564]How to get there:[/QUOTE]Very detailed, thank you. I'll still probably end up getting very lost and I'm sure that'll mark me out to the scammers on Patpong. Look forward to that report for a chuckle at my expense. I guess I can try heading there tomorrow afternoon. I'm planning on hitting Cowboy again tonight- maybe Dollhouse or Crazy House, but I'd like to at least know some of the legendary old haunts that have stood the test of time, since who knows how much longer they'll be around. I had thought about Thermae too, but the thought of negotiating with a free lancer gives me a touch of anxiety, especially with the reports of them favoring the Japanese.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2781658]Ah, MTW should thank you and this forum for added traffic.

Word of caution to fellow mongers though. While girls indeed provide awesome service and (depending on what's your cup of tea) it can really be awesomely depraved to eat out one lady while the other does her best to suck the living daylights out of you in the middle of a bar while you hold a beer, girls do seem to use some sort of mouth disinfectant which leaves my dick crying a transparent fluid for about 2 weeks. Whether its some sort of STD or infection I don't know (tested negative first time around across everything on my regular check), but I had to stop going as it kept recurring every time for me. Maybe I'm just sensitive to something and get an inflammation IDK, but if not for that MTW would be my nr 1 BJ / FS bar in Bangkok. Might still return for (oh the horror) CBJ, CFS (yup... if you hansum man bareback is probs easily available - was to me) and some DATY.[/QUOTE]I'm an unabashed degenerate and the picture you just painted is oh so tempting. I can stomach CFS, but CBJ is absolutely a waste of everyone's time imo. From what you're describing it could be a urethritis or prostatitis. There are a few uncommon microorganisms that could cause it, and with prostatitis, you often need a semen sample for a definitive diagnosis. It could also be a chemical inflammation, but with how the urethra is designed, it's very uncommon. Plus given that you mentioned no redness or swelling, I don't think it's chemical. One would expect to see some amount of local inflammation as well.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781381]The only girl I had found attractive was unfortunately my waitress, but I wasn't sure if chatting her up would be considered a faux pas, so instead I proceeded to the next venue for this evening.[/QUOTE]Rule #whatever: it never hurts to ask. Yes, she's not up there dancing, exposing herself. But Thai culture is conservative and girls shy (I'd always find it amusing when the girl I'd seen dancing naked an hour before, now, in the room, did the disappearing towel trick: out of the shower wrapped in a towel, jumps under the bed covers, THEN out comes the towel). Some girls will work in the bar but not as dancers. Some will say no, others yes. Short answer: anyone in the bar MIGHT be bar fineable, you just have to ask. Besides, and I AM a sucker, if she was cute, I'd probably buy her a lady drink just because. With dancers, it seems to be expected. With a waitress, bet it would be appreciated and a thank you and a smile would be forthcoming and that would be worth the price for me.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781381]Unfortunately now being surrounded by men on all sides, it was impossible to get the attention of any of the managers despite the obscene amount of hand waving I resorted to. I had to literally get out and tell them the girl I wanted in one of the manager's ear. [/QUOTE]Waitresses are not just there for DRINKS, but anything on the [I]menu[/I]. Flag the waitress, tell her what girl you want. She'll get the message to the appropriate people.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781381]Having bought her and the manager a drink, before I was to make a shocking discovery. SHE WAS ON HER PERIOD! No wonder that man didn't take her home. [/QUOTE]Well, Grasshopper, I see improvement, but why are you buying ANY drinks except your own UNTIL you have checked out the [I]weather[/I] conditions. Certainly a girl returns because the contract price couldn't be agreed upon, that would be MY assumption, but I want to make certain [I]inquiries[/I] before any cash leaves this Cheap Charlie's wallet. You are NOT there to woo her, she's there to convince you. And a drink for a mamasan is a SOMEtimes, not a given EVERY time, especially if you're about to leave.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781381]She was extremely fun, so I decided to take a short menstrual history, in the hopes that I could possibly set her up for one of the following nights. [B]11Bravo's[/B] tip about keeping in touch for easy logistics was to thank for the idea, but to my misfortune she would likely remain on the rag till I left. I explained to her why I asked and she excitedly pulled out her phone for me to scan her Line barcode in the case that she would somehow be off her period before I left. [/QUOTE]Let me get this straight. You buy drinks before establishing THE possible impediment because you're shy?, but you're bold enough to inquire about history. Jekyll and Hyde?

So it didn't work out with her THIS time. But with a Line contact, next trip, it's a quick message: remind her who you are so it's not a [I]cold[/I] call, ask how she is, where she is working, and if she is, tell her you'll see her xx night, then go early and make the deal. Thank you Line.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781381][B]One thing to note for fellow punters[/B] is that the cell phone usage on stage is unbelievable. I counted at least 5 who would be spending a not insignificant time on their phones fully exposed. I was a little impressed how they were able to comfortably keep the phones held in place by the thin strings of their underwear. I'm definitely adding this to my list of red flags when picking out a girl.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781381]Three strikes, and I'm out.[/QUOTE]Hey that's MY line from 15 years ago [S]...[/S].

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781381]and I hadn't replenished my stock of condoms. I was perhaps a little too overconfident after my previous few successes, and should have had a backup plan. [/QUOTE]P4 P 101: NEVER assume she will have condoms, make sure you have an adequate supply. Also, to use with or without, some water based lubricant for the dry [I]patches[/I].

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2781658]Word of caution to fellow mongers though. While girls indeed provide awesome service and (depending on what's your cup of tea) it can really be awesomely depraved to eat out one lady while the other does her best to suck the living daylights out of you in the middle of a bar while you hold a beer, girls do seem to use some sort of mouth disinfectant which leaves my dick crying a transparent fluid for about 2 weeks. Whether its some sort of STD or infection I don't know (tested negative first time around across everything on my regular check), but I had to stop going as it kept recurring every time for me. Maybe I'm just sensitive to something and get an inflammation IDK, but if not for that MTW would be my nr 1 BJ / FS bar in Bangkok. Might still return for (oh the horror) CBJ, CFS (yup... if you hansum man bareback is probs easily available - was to me) and some DATY.[/QUOTE]One way to check: spray some Listerine (seems common) on your dick and see if it repeats. Myself, I've never had any problems with anyone's mouthwash. The only thing I've ever caught there is [I]Limpus Dickus[/I] or [I]Bahtus Depleteus[/I], and those only showed up after departure.

CBJ at SOL or MTW - [I]the horror, the horror[/I], but I will admit for the FS, I did use one.

But there is a first time for everything. Just yesterday, at an MP, the girl gave me hand sanitizer for my hands (OK), and literally spritzed my dick (from a mist bottle, just like you would an orchid) before the BBBJ. The misting was a new one for me, and I've been around a lot.

Time to see the venture into the oldest of the punter's playgrounds. I got there a lot quicker than I had first anticipated taking the BTS and changing over at Siam. At first I ended up taking a wrong turn only to be greeted by a rather loud drag show that had quite a lot of attention. Walking down this lane, I saw a number of other bars with performers dressed in drag and a lot of signs advertising gay nights and the like. It was very interesting to witness, and even though it's not my cup of tea, it's nice that the big mango caters to everyone's appetite. Inclusivity is something I can definitely get behind (no homo). Walking ahead, I saw a small sign with scrolling red neon letters advertising XXX bar and all I saw was a row of shutters. This couldn't be the way to Bada Bing I thought, but when I took a second look I saw a BB sign and thought maybe it was indeed. I was in fact mistaken and it was Fetish Bar. They invited me in when I waited for a tuktuk to pass the tight alleyway. Walking down further, I saw a few more bars scattered about and taking a brief glance inside, most looked rather lifeless. I think the biggest disadvantage that Patpong faces is it's layout. Nana and Cowboy and have most establishments worth visiting very close to one another which makes it very convenient for the majority of people in contrast to the branching small lanes of Patpong.

Entering [B]Bada Bing[/B], I saw that it was largely devoid of customers at 10 PM. There were all of 2 others seated watching the 6 or 8 girls on stage. There were an equal number of girls seated on couches or by the bar, either glued to their phones, munching on a plate of food or sucking down on their vapes. There were one or 2 who seemed passable, but I really wasn't digging the atmosphere. The DJ was doing a surprisingly good job even thought most of it the tracks were hip-hop, which isn't really my thing. The drinks were by far the cheapest I have had so far at 155 baht. One of the girls was giving it her all, even making solid eye contact and flashing me a wink, but I just politely refused and sauntered off to King's Castle.

When I took a turn, I heard a hawker trying to get my attention, which I simply ignored. The street I entered next had the more stereotypical tourist vibe. I saw a pair of gentlemen walk into a bar that read King's castle, but it didn't look like a doorway, so I decided to turn the corner instead. An older overweight woman beckoned me inside one of the bars, and even pointed out the girls who could keep me company. Since there seemed to be a decent number of girls available and reading [B]King's Castle[/B] over the doorway, I decided to enter. There were a far few patrons here, and I saw the papasan bring the bill for my Singha. There was a row of girls on standing and swaying on stage as usual, but also a row of girls seated on the edge of the stage. It took me a while till I found the only girl I liked in the bar. She was a veritable cutie, but since there were no number badges here, I had to point and explain. Mamasan pull out a green laser pointer and ran used it to confirm my selection. After confirming, she continued moving the glowing green dot across my girl's chest. The laser pointer was also used to get the girl's attention interestedly enough. Noey joined me and ordered a shot of Tequila. She was a ball of fun, and after doing the basic questions that everyone asks, we moved onto our tattoos. She explained to me where she's from and that she had only been working there 3 days. She quizzed me on my Thai and even taught me a new word "Sung Cho", which means "cheers". I ordered her another tequila and one for myself as well this time before bringing up the bar fine. Apparently she wasn't available for that. I had always been under the impression that all girls on stage would be available. After my previous experience at Rainbow, I might have to start asking the mamasan before she brings the girl over. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get it across in the noisy environment of the bar, but it's better than wasting money on lady drinks and warming up the girl, when there's no endgame to be had. Both Noey and the mamasan kept pointing out a bunch of girls that I could take home, but I jokingly told her that she was the unfortunately the only girl I liked. Mamasan one upped me by offering herself, to which I did my usual of hamming up that she was too spicy for me to handle. I continue to chat up Noey for 5 or 10 more minutes planning to just bounce and look for another bar once my time with her ran up. Intermittently mamasan would point out other girls, who for the most part were not to my liking. Eventually there was a girl who had somewhat caught my eye before Noey. She wasn't a definite yes, but certainly fuckable. Just like on another instance in the past when I thought I might like a girl, I motioned for her to stand and after she did that, I motioned for her to twirl. The previous time I had asked a girl to do this in Rainbow 5, I had to politely decline, but this time I patted to the seat beside me. She came over, but Noey stayed. I bought the new girl a drink and continued to chat up Noey. It felt quite nice having a girl on each side. After maybe another 5 or 10 minutes, Noey asked me if I would buy her a third drink to which I playfully told her not if she wouldn't do the bar fine, playfully suggesting I'd buy her more than just a lady drink. She then rose, but I asked her to sit back down. She gave me a quizzical look, before sitting down unsure of what I intended. I simply gave her a firm kiss on the cheek and a pat on the ass to dismiss her back to the stage. Mamasan came over to ask if I wanted to buy another lady drink, but I decided to cut to the chase and pay the bar fine. Hands down the cheapest bar fine at 500 baht, but the new girl didn't do LT. Mamasan assured me ST could be for 2-3 hours. The new girl promptly got up and went to change. She had been silent the entire time she was seated beside me, so since the cab ride to my hotel was longer than usual, I would have to warm her up along the way. She returned in an oversized sports Jersey (it looked like American Football style with large numbers stenciled across the front). The finished her coke after mamasan translated what I had asked and I escorted her out.

Outside the street was almost barren, but there was a hawker beckoning me to come and watch a ping pong show. I have never quite understood the appeal of such a thing, but I suppose it would have been much more popular to those who haven't been spoiled by the internet. Sating that morbid curiosity is now nothing more than a search away at our fingertips and we need not go out of way to witness the bizarre and wonderful when we can kill a few minutes in transit instead. We walked past another "King's Castle" and glancing back I saw another sign, so I was left perplexed at the prevalence of this sign. Stopping briefly, so as to not ruin someone's photo of a truck that had been converted into a mobile barber, we got to the main road with motoring traffic. My grab had been booked, so I refused the eager taxi drivers who undoubtedly smelled blood in the water, denying them the meat they were craving. After a minute, she pulls out her phone, which I thought was a little rude, but then she points the screen at me and I read google translate telling me she doesn't know English. This was certainly an interesting turn of events. I would now have to think of how to warm up a girl with whom I could not verbally communicate in a broken manner. I was up for the challenge and this would be an altogether new and uncommon experience. Since her phone only had a Thai keyboard, I pulled out my phone for google translate to tell her that I didn't speak Thai. She nodded in understanding, and I responded "My Low", which got her to let out a soft giggle. My taxi driver had gotten lost despite the grab app having a built in GPS, so when the driver called, I handed the phone to my girl who explained to her where we were. When we were in the car, I realized that I didn't even know her name. I could ask, but the thought of being with a girl without knowing each other's names or anything else about each other tickled my degenerate senses.

Paying only 104 baht to the taxi driver, I guided my girl's hand to my arm and gently guided her across the foyer and lift lobby. I found I was able to communicate physically with her fairly effectively, so more or less decided to refrain from uttering a single word the rest of the night, letting body language me my means of communication. I kissed her in the lift and once again in my room, when she was seated on the bed. Gently kissing her as I undressed both her and myself, I moved to kiss the rest of her body, making my way to her honey pot, but DATY was off the table. I then lay down intending for her to perform oral on me instead, she suddenly looked hesitant. I thought she may be looking for a condom, so I cut off that avenue by rolling her back onto her back and getting on top of her, placing my friend pressed firmly at her entrance. In retrospect, she may have been trying to tell me that she wouldn't go down on me and wanted her phone or perhaps use her phone to ask me to put on a condom. I continued kissing her mouth, cheeks, ears and neck, as I teased her entrance with my little friend. Slowly penetrating her, we engaged in missionary before I switched to doggy and finishing inside her. I got some tissues from the bathroom and she then walked to the shower and I followed her. I gently bathed her, and I feel like she was very comfortable following my lead, judging by the broad grin I received after washing her. She then proceeded to wash me happily in reciprocation. Stepping out of the bathroom wrapped in a towel, she pointed to my weighing scale. She weighed in at 44.0 kg even, but wanted to the know the weight class of her opponent that night too motioning for me to step on the scales. As a result of my 4 k Korean BBQ meal and plenty of beer, I was up to 70 kg. I pinched the fat around my midsection and pouted sadly to elicit another chuckle before I picked her up and kissed her in my arms tenderly. Feigning to toss her on the bed, then gently laying her down, I then proceeded to kiss her gently. I pulled her under the covers, undid the towel, and kissed her breasts before I got on to continue foreplay. This time it was was a lot harder to get the physiological response needed for penetration and applying gentle pressure only made her grimace ever so slightly. After trying for a little while, I decided to use the trick I learned from another one of girls from this trip. I spat into my left hand, oiled my pistol and entered her with ease. After some time in missionary, I motioned for her to get on top. Unfortunately she had dried up once again, but that didn't stop her from gingerly attempting to milk me in the smallest of strokes. I pulled out and used some more of my spit as lube. Once she was a little tired, I pulled her in close to help her from below and she followed my rhythm, our pelvises moving in unison. Flipping her over to doggy, I fucked her for quite a while before firing inside of her once again. We showered again and when we got out she reached for her panties. Having been thoroughly satisfied, I walked over to the chair where I had flung her t-shirt and bra and helped her get dressed. Once she was dressed she pointed to me and motioned to put on a t-shirt. I normally don't get dressed while the girl is still in my room, but this time I put on a pair of boxers. She then asked me my name. For a second a felt a little dismay that this encounter would be anonymous no longer, but I answered her and asked for her name as well. Names didn't detract from the experience at all and in fact, I don't recall her name since I got asked for it as an afterthought. She then asked me my age and told me she was 20. All this conversation was whispered hoarsely and awkwardly in English, which surprised me. She then pointed to my boxing gloves and asked me, but didn't understand a word of my response, so those were probably the only 2 lines of English she had learned and she now felt confident enough to try them out on me. I used google translate to tell her that I box and I was learning Muay Thai in Thailand. Google translate told me she likes to cheer football. She then pointed to herself and said, " Argentina". I pointed to myself and responded, "Germany". I used my phone to mention that Argentina had won and she then nodded and with a broad grin just said,"Messi". Struggling to converse fluidly, she just said "hansom" while looking down at her feet before grabbing her phone again to tell me that "she'll be back". Figuring that this was just Google translate doing a poor job of telling me she had to leave, I escorted her to the door, making sure to give a few deep kisses before she left.

All in all, arguably the most tender and most GFE I've had so far. Also the best value for my money! Patpong may be worth another visit.

Until next time, fuck you, and happy fucking!

*[B]Total Damages[/B] = 4,825 - 3 Singha + 1 Tequila for me, 3 Tequila for then girls, Bar Fine, ST with BBFS CIP x2 and a healthy dose of GFE.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781705]Rule #whatever: it never hurts to ask. Yes, she's not up there dancing, exposing herself. But Thai culture is conservative and girls shy (I'd always find it amusing when the girl I'd seen dancing naked an hour before, now, in the room, did the disappearing towel trick: out of the shower wrapped in a towel, jumps under the bed covers, THEN out comes the towel). Some girls will work in the bar but not as dancers. Some will say no, others yes. Short answer: anyone in the bar MIGHT be bar fineable, you just have to ask. Besides, and I AM a sucker, if she was cute, I'd probably buy her a lady drink just because. With dancers, it seems to be expected. With a waitress, bet it would be appreciated and a thank you and a smile would be forthcoming and that would be worth the price for me.[/QUOTE]Noted! And yes, if they're cute enough, sometimes a smile and genuine gratitude from receiving something unexpected is worth the couple hundred baht. Now I'm kicking myself a bit, but had I taken her, I wouldn't have learned the oh so valuable lessons Rainbow 5 provided me.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781705]Waitresses are not just there for DRINKS, but anything on the [I]menu[/I]. Flag the waitress, tell her what girl you want. She'll get the message to the appropriate people.[/QUOTE]I tried! I use the term waitress, manager and mamasan interchangably for the most part. I was just too hard to notice (no pun intended this time sadly).

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781705]Well, Grasshopper, I see improvement, but why are you buying ANY drinks except your own UNTIL you have checked out the [I]weather[/I] conditions. Certainly a girl returns because the contract price couldn't be agreed upon, that would be MY assumption, but I want to make certain [I]inquiries[/I] before any cash leaves this Cheap Charlie's wallet. You are NOT there to woo her, she's there to convince you. And a drink for a mamasan is a SOMEtimes, not a given EVERY time, especially if you're about to leave.[/QUOTE]I'm slowly finding the middle ground for the mamasan drinks. I'm definitely more confident in refusing them, and slowly developing a gauge for when I think it will be worth the investment. I had another waitress pestering me for drinks multiple times over the course of my time batting. I refused her consistently, teased her and even asked if she she would settle for a bar fine instead. She was kinda cute, but I wasn't being serious this time.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781705]Let me get this straight. You buy drinks before establishing THE possible impediment because you're shy?, but you're bold enough to inquire about history. Jekyll and Hyde?[/QUOTE]Well, professional experience means that I have never been bashful about those sorts of questions. It's not so much shyness, but I find getting down to business immediately too brusque. I prefer to see if there's any chemistry over the course of a drink or 2. After all, I may not even be interested in bar fining a girl who gives out too many red flags. Plus charming potential business partners tends to lead to smoother negotiations and more favorable terms. I'm mostly referring to [I]actual[/I] business negotiations. Although upon reflection, I'd be better served thinking up a smooth way to bring it up as soon as she sits down. I only have 2 more nights to concoct such a formula, so time is of the essence!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781705]So it didn't work out with her THIS time. But with a Line contact, next trip, it's a quick message: remind her who you are so it's not a [I]cold[/I] call, ask how she is, where she is working, and if she is, tell her you'll see her xx night, then go early and make the deal. Thank you Line.[/QUOTE]I'm assuming that girls will not see you outside their workplace until a number of encounters leads to better rapport though, right? My girl from the PIMP ghosted me, and I'm honestly expecting the same from this girl.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781705]Hey that's MY line from 15 years ago [S]...[/S].[/QUOTE]I guess I'm following in your footsteps, Mr. Miyagi. The next generation has some big shoes (among other things) to fill.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781705]P4 P 101: NEVER assume she will have condoms, make sure you have an adequate supply. Also, to use with or without, some water based lubricant for the dry [I]patches[/I].[/QUOTE]I hadn't assumed she would have condoms, I assumed I would get BBFS, like I did with literally every other girl. This is the first and so far only bar girl who refused me despite me being very persistent. The lube is a good call too. Idk how effective spit is on condoms, and using lube might be called for when the girls refuse DATY.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781706] [I]Limpus Dickus[/I] or [I]Bahtus Depleteus[/I][/QUOTE]A Monty Python fan, I see.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781706] gave me hand sanitizer for my hands (OK), and literally spritzed my dick (from a mist bottle, just like you would an orchid) before the BBBJ. The misting was a new one for me, and I've been around a lot.[/QUOTE]Well that's kinda pointless for COVID at least. It's completely pointless for sexually transmitted microorganisms and really of no value for the regular bacteria all of us have on our skins. She probably touched your unsanitised thighs with her hands picking up the very same bacteria. Some of these things are purely placebo for use to feel safe more than it actually improves safety. Just look at the metal detectors whose beeps are ignored. My dad has walked into several shopping malls, equipped with both metal detectors and mandatory bag checks, completely unhindered. It was only after one conscientious security check at a 5 star hotel that I learned his bag has a loaded gun at all times and it was only on this instance that he was asked to enter without it.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781711]In retrospect, she may have been trying to tell me that she wouldn't go down on me and wanted her phone or perhaps use her phone to ask me to put on a condom. I continued kissing her mouth, cheeks, ears and neck, as I teased her entrance with my little friend. Slowly penetrating her, we engaged in missionary before I switched to doggy and finishing inside her.[/QUOTE]Did you consider she could become pregnant?

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781711]I ordered her another tequila and one for myself as well this time before bringing up the bar fine. Apparently she wasn't available for that. I had always been under the impression that all girls on stage would be available. After my previous experience at Rainbow, I might have to start asking the mamasan before she brings the girl over. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get it across in the noisy environment of the bar, but it's better than wasting money on lady drinks and warming up the girl, when there's no endgame to be had. [/QUOTE]As discussed here, they're known as [I]Coyotes[/I], brought in from an outside agency to add some quality and quantity to a bar, but usually not bar fineable, and even if they are, demanding a large price.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781711]I kissed her in the lift and once again in my room, when she was seated on the bed. Gently kissing her as I undressed both her and myself, I moved to kiss the rest of her body, making my way to her honey pot, but DATY was off the table. I then lay down intending for her to perform oral on me instead, she suddenly looked hesitant. I thought she may be looking for a condom, so I cut off that avenue by rolling her back onto her back and getting on top of her, placing my friend pressed firmly at her entrance. [/QUOTE]Just about 100% of the Thais (and other nationalities) I've been with, it's customary to shower FIRST before any action (BJ bars the exception). Obviously, Thailand is a hot and humid place, and Thais pride themselves on being clean. (Hom = fragrant. Min = stinks. Compliment a girl by telling her "hom", insult her by saying "min"). While it may seem [I]romantic[/I] to some to start without the shower, I doubt that a Thai would. A gripe I hear about certain nationalities is that they don't want to shower. I certainly could be wrong, but her hesitancy coupled with her lack of English might have prevented her from saying what she wanted - the shower. Just sayin [S]...[/S].

Step out of the shower with her, give her a hug, bring your face close to the side of her head, take a DEEP breath through your nose, step back, say "hom", watch her reaction. A beer says it's a BIG smile.

Hello,

I spent the past two nights walking around Nana and Sukumvith, as I remember time ago lots of freelancers could be found. The only thing I found was a ton of ladyboys of all types and sizes (some very feminine, but still with a dick in the pants!) and apparently no women around. I am not really a GOGO bar type of person, I don't drink more than 1 beer and I'd only go with friends for a laugh. Also the institution Nana Hotel parking lot was only showcasing ladyboys, while in the past was a good pickup area. Same for the bars down the Nana Plaza soi, they all ask you to buy a drink at the entrance so lot of push even to have a look inside.

Where did all the night freelancers go?

On a separate topic, I found that also daytime around Nana is pretty down. Tried Annies and found out they moved from Soi 2 to Soi 7/1, much smaller place w / o all the historic huge rooms with bathtubs. Also the lineup is pretty poor for a 2000 baths experience. Checked out Casalong and Lolita and ended up fucking a Kasalong cute 22 yo, but she was really the only one doable for me.

Any place I am missing for daytime?

Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?

All in all, not impressed by my first two nights in BKK, shame.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781729]
Just about 100% of the Thais (and other nationalities) I've been with, it's customary to shower FIRST before any action (BJ bars the exception). Obviously, Thailand is a hot and humid place, and Thais pride themselves on being clean. (Hom = fragrant. Min = stinks. Compliment a girl by telling her "hom", insult her by saying "min"). While it may seem [I]romantic[/I] to some to start without the shower, I doubt that a Thai would. A gripe I hear about certain nationalities is that they don't want to shower. I certainly could be wrong, but her hesitancy coupled with her lack of English might have prevented her from saying what she wanted - the shower. Just sayin [S]...[/S].[/QUOTE]Whenever I have a girl come to my room she is usually late so I have time to shower ten times before she shows up. All the same, explaining I already showered is a no-go. I conspicuouly get hold of a towel and amble to the bathroom where let the shower make itself heard for some time before coming back to the bed. This charade is necessary, anything short of it won't do.

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781741]
I spent the past two nights walking around Nana and Sukumvith, as I remember time ago lots of freelancers could be found. The only thing I found was a ton of ladyboys of all types and sizes (some very feminine, but still with a dick in the pants!) and apparently no women around. I am not really a GOGO bar type of person

Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?

All in all, not impressed by my first two nights in BKK, shame.[/QUOTE]You're right that the proportion of ladyboy freelancers on Sukhumvit is uncomfortably high, but there are still some women around. Not great lookers, mind you, but female. Soi 4 all the way down is ground zero for freelancers, plus Soi 11 and the area near Thermae, the rest of Sukhumvit is less busy than in the past. Plastic surgery is cheap and extremely popular in Thailand these days, so many women now give off that that fake hard vibe that ladyboys used to have.

I'm not too impressed by Wood Bar. If you want a BJ bar, I'd try Duangporn's Haven, in a small soi south of Asoke (search Google maps for CityPoint hotel). It's a new location of Som's Haven, a well known BJ bar.

There's a still lot of commotion along Sukhumvit, and it's a great scene for newbies and optimists, but if you have been here in the heyday, you won't be impressed.

Wood bar was empty and 1 lady only around 11 pm.

Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?

Sukumvith still invaded by ladyboy from soi1 to soi 28. Maybe 3-4 ladies in total, only one possibly doable.

African ladies strolling, but I'm not here for black meat.

Am I missing anything or this is the situation in bkk now?

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781741]Hello,

I spent the past two nights walking around Nana and Sukumvith, as I remember time ago lots of freelancers could be found. The only thing I found was a ton of ladyboys of all types and sizes (some very feminine, but still with a dick in the pants!) and apparently no women around. I am not really a GOGO bar type of person, I don't drink more than 1 beer and I'd only go with friends for a laugh. Also the institution Nana Hotel parking lot was only showcasing ladyboys, while in the past was a good pickup area. Same for the bars down the Nana Plaza soi, they all ask you to buy a drink at the entrance so lot of push even to have a look inside.

Where did all the night freelancers go?

On a separate topic, I found that also daytime around Nana is pretty down. Tried Annies and found out they moved from Soi 2 to Soi 7/1, much smaller place w / o all the historic huge rooms with bathtubs. Also the lineup is pretty poor for a 2000 baths experience. Checked out Casalong and Lolita and ended up fucking a Kasalong cute 22 yo, but she was really the only one doable for me.

Any place I am missing for daytime?

Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?

All in all, not impressed by my first two nights in BKK, shame.[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

In the past (I visited Bangkok last in 2018), I used to head to Shock39 or Mixx for Uzbek / Russian / EasternEuropean girls. What are the latest places where I can find them? Realize that things have changed after covid.

Hi all,

What are the latest high end soapies to visit during day time? Last when I visited Bangkok in 2018, I was hooked to Caeasas palace I think I recall. But, seems like that has closed down (atleast google is saying so). So, where should I go for the high end girls?

Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2781790]You're right that the proportion of ladyboy freelancers on Sukhumvit is uncomfortably high, but there are still some women around. Not great lookers, mind you, but female. Soi 4 all the way down is ground zero for freelancers, plus Soi 11 and the area near Thermae, the rest of Sukhumvit is less busy than in the past. Plastic surgery is cheap and extremely popular in Thailand these days, so many women now give off that that fake hard vibe that ladyboys used to have.

I'm not too impressed by Wood Bar. If you want a BJ bar, I'd try Duangporn's Haven, in a small soi south of Asoke (search Google maps for CityPoint hotel). It's a new location of Som's Haven, a well known BJ bar.

There's a still lot of commotion along Sukhumvit, and it's a great scene for newbies and optimists, but if you have been here in the heyday, you won't be impressed.[/QUOTE]Yes I stayed near a walked past several times a day until I finally succumbed to the helllooos and ventured down to meet the girls. A couple of couple of really cute ones too. I went up to the rooms which are just but clean and then had a game of pool and a chat a couple of times. After being really well looked after. I had BBBJ and FS finish. So not much info on CIM or swallow girls but they are very friendly.

Can't remember how much but it was very good service and I would not bother going anywhere else. I am back soon and will call in and have a beer and a chat and take a couple of the girls for a spin for sure.

Hi guys, can anyone tell me me the biergarden is still open? I had some good luck there a few years ago. Thanks for any replies.

[QUOTE=XXL;2781742]Whenever I have a girl come to my room she is usually late so I have time to shower ten times before she shows up. All the same, explaining I already showered is a no-go. I conspicuouly get hold of a towel and amble to the bathroom where let the shower make itself heard for some time before coming back to the bed. This charade is necessary, anything short of it won't do.[/QUOTE]Big grin, been there. I swear, I could answer the door in just a towel, DRIPPING wet, puddling on the floor, and she would still say, "You take shower, OK?" Learned a LONG time ago to just go with the flow, it's just easier that way.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2781717]Did you consider she could become pregnant?[/QUOTE]My thoughts too. I don't need any more squad members at my age. Condoms are far from fullproof, but certainly better than the rhythm method. I'm not all that familiar with the commonality of birth control pills with the wg's, but even if she said she was, I would have my doubts. Any comments from residents?

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781741]Hello,

I spent the past two nights walking around Nana and Sukumvith, as I remember time ago lots of freelancers could be found. The only thing I found was a ton of ladyboys of all types and sizes (some very feminine, but still with a dick in the pants!) and apparently no women around. I am not really a GOGO bar type of person, I don't drink more than 1 beer and I'd only go with friends for a laugh. Also the institution Nana Hotel parking lot was only showcasing ladyboys, while in the past was a good pickup area. Same for the bars down the Nana Plaza soi, they all ask you to buy a drink at the entrance so lot of push even to have a look inside.

Where did all the night freelancers go?

On a separate topic, I found that also daytime around Nana is pretty down. Tried Annies and found out they moved from Soi 2 to Soi 7/1, much smaller place w / o all the historic huge rooms with bathtubs. Also the lineup is pretty poor for a 2000 baths experience. Checked out Casalong and Lolita and ended up fucking a Kasalong cute 22 yo, but she was really the only one doable for me.

Any place I am missing for daytime?

Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?

All in all, not impressed by my first two nights in BKK, shame.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing this info with us.

I kept on reading conflicting information about availability of freelancers in Bangkok and Pattaya. Many posters on this forum said it is almost back to pre pendamic levels but whenever I tried to analyze the beach road videos on you tube, I could easily figure out that the numbers are barely 20% of what they used to be.

For the first time in my mongering life, I had to cancel a ticket to Thailand. No use flying to the other side of world just to see mongering world hit by bombs. Its pretty bad in other countries as well.

Looks like we will have to wait few more months for scene to pick up a bit.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2781840]Hi all, What are the latest high end soapies to visit during day time? Last when I visited Bangkok in 2018, I was hooked to Caeasas palace I think I recall. But, seems like that has closed down (atleast google is saying so). So, where should I go for the high end girls?[/QUOTE]Search "soapy". [B]The Kaiser[/B] just wrote an FR on his soapy visit.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2781841]Hi all, Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?[/QUOTE]Plenty of MP's open in the daytime, I've found some very nice ones there. Suggest reading the

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES![/URL]

thread. [B]Newton York[/B] was also out and about daytime wise. Check the ROD's.

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781741]On a separate topic, I found that also daytime around Nana is pretty down. Tried Annies and found out they moved from Soi 2 to Soi 7/1, much smaller place w / o all the historic huge rooms with bathtubs. Also the lineup is pretty poor for a 2000 baths experience. Checked out Casalong and Lolita and ended up fucking a Kasalong cute 22 yo, but she was really the only one doable for me.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but talk about being in a cave. Annie's shut down in what 2014. A real institution, Annies, as was Aey. Both irreplaceable.

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781741]Any place I am missing for daytime?[/QUOTE]As stated above, plenty of MP's with FR's.

Unfortunately, Bier Garden, Soi 7, a GHOST of itself, at least in November.

My other option, if nothing at the Bier Garden, is a daytime stroll down Soi 23. Number of MP's a block or 2 on the right past Cowboy, number of girls sitting outside. Have found some gems there. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781741]Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Depending on your tastes, Meet the World (search, plenty of recent FR's).

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2781841]Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?[/QUOTE]Best is to lower your Expectations. Aspire to get Half way decent Girls.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2781573]Patpong is dead. I rolled through there the other night.[/QUOTE]Die-ing pre COVID.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]Noted! And yes, if they're cute enough, sometimes a smile and genuine gratitude from receiving something unexpected is worth the couple hundred baht. Now I'm kicking myself a bit, but had I taken her, I wouldn't have learned the oh so valuable lessons Rainbow 5 provided me.[/QUOTE]Once got a LEGIT massage (shirt and shorts provided, NO extras) at a shop I had passed every day for a month, finally stopping in. 400 baht, paid with a 1000, change as expected, 500 + 100. I turned around to the SYT, she was giving me a wai, head down, and I tipped her [S]...[/S] with the 500, slipping it into her folded hands. She said thank you, and opened her hands obviously expecting one thing. When she saw the color, she was "ah, ah, ah" with a bit of dread look, holding up the bill. OBVIOUSLY, this old man was blind, and she didn't want ANY problems when he returned later to demand his money back. I just smiled, said Chai, kap-un-kap (yes, thank you). The look on her face was priceless; when can you make someone's day so cheaply?

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]I'm slowly finding the middle ground for the mamasan drinks. I'm definitely more confident in refusing them, and slowly developing a gauge for when I think it will be worth the investment.[/QUOTE]For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, [B]but[/B] that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]It's not so much shyness, but I find getting down to business immediately too brusque. I prefer to see if there's any chemistry over the course of a drink or 2. After all, I may not even be interested in bar fining a girl who gives out too many red flags. Plus charming potential business partners tends to lead to smoother negotiations and more favorable terms. I'm mostly referring to [I]actual[/I] business negotiations. Although upon reflection, I'd be better served thinking up a smooth way to bring it up as soon as she sits down. I only have 2 more nights to concoct such a formula, so time is of the essence![/QUOTE]Next language lesson:

Shaw shaw = slowly slowly.

Sue-wey = beautiful.

Sue-wey mak mak = very beautiful.

Yim sue-wey mak mak = very beautiful smile (Thai's love to hear they have a beautiful smile).

Though you'll often hear in response:

Bag-won = sweet mouth = flatterer.

Yes, being too brusque is not sanook. But neither is an immediate request for a lady drink. When I get THAT request, I just look at her and say, "shaw shaw". If she leaves, I say a silent thank you; I like the no brainers. If she stays, then how entertaining is she, how is her banter, and while English helps, it's not a necessity. I'm judging her attitude. But with the same mindset as "you'll lose time", I'm also pretty quick with the "you can spend some time with me?", prefaced by a "Yim sue-wey mak mak".

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]I'm assuming that girls will not see you outside their workplace until a number of encounters leads to better rapport though, right? My girl from the PIMP ghosted me, and I'm honestly expecting the same from this girl.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't know (seeing you outside of work), but I'd certainly guess that. But that is NOT my intention. It's just to keep the contact. I DON'T try to bypass the bar / shop, especially when a bg has a lady drink / bar fine quota. For a FEW, we [I]ping[/I] each other about every quarter, just a Hi, how are you. They usually send a current photo which I appreciate. If nothing else, customer relations, though there is a bit of friends there.

But a perfect example is this: I had a Line contact, never messaged in 3 years. A week before my return, I sent a "Hi, how are you". No reply. Checked again, 24 hours later, no reply. Figured it was a dead address. But when I put on my glasses, nice thing about Line, it shows when a message has been read. It had been. So, tried again, this time with a [I]proper[/I] introduction: a SHORT description (I don't blend in in Thailand) and my intentions, "coming back to BKK, if you are still working, would like to see you again". She said she was still working at the same shop. When I got to BKK, messaged her to set up the booking for me; I DON'T bypass the employer. She confirmed, and again, and again, and again. Very convenient to deal with the person directly, letting her set up the booking. Similar idea with a bar. Refresh her memory on who you are, you'll be back in BKK (don't be surprised if she misunderstands and thinks you're there NOW). I'd just say would like to see her again, buy her a drink in the bar. Now you know which bar, if she is still working. Or, if you want to roll the dice, say you'll buy her a drink and a bar fine (obviously, contract details have to be worked out), and you should be there around such-and-such a time (myself, I'm there early as I don't want to lose my place in her queue). I'd stick to that just to verify your cred. Works for her, she knows she should have a good customer (with bar fine). Works for you, you have that lady, provided contract details agreed to. My use, anyway.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]I guess I'm following in your footsteps, Mr. Miyagi. [/QUOTE]Actually, I prefer Master PO (and THANKS [B]Bunky[/B]}.

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[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]I hadn't assumed she would have condoms, I assumed I would get BBFS, like I did with literally every other girl. This is the first and so far only bar girl who refused me despite me being very persistent. The lube is a good call too. Idk how effective spit is on condoms, and using lube might be called for when the girls refuse DATY.[/QUOTE]Assume: it makes an [B]ASS[/B] out of [B]U[/B] and [B]ME[/B]. Without a shower, I'd be very surprised a girl would want DATY (or BBBJ), all she would be thinking is "min".

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716][i](spraying a dick)[/i] Well that's kinda pointless for COVID at least. It's completely pointless for sexually transmitted microorganisms and really of no value for the regular bacteria all of us have on our skins. She probably touched your unsanitised thighs with her hands picking up the very same bacteria. Some of these things are purely placebo for use to feel safe more than it actually improves safety. [/QUOTE]The IMPORTANT point is, it was meaningful to HER, made her feel comfortable. Having the girl feel comfortable with you is all important, and having my dick in her mouth sans condom, with that rack wrapped around it, made me feel VERY comfortable.

I met a SYT at a bar in lower Suk a few days ago. We arranged a pool date at my hotel for later in week. I would pick her up at bar at 1 pm to pay her BF of 500 bt and then she wanted 3 k for short time. When I asked how long is ST, she said ST is from 1 pm to midnight so sounds live a good deal to me. A few weeks from now, I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location — Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok. I don't know yet whether this is the girl I want to take but she is obviously in contention depending on how our date goes.

You are correct. Lady Boys are proliferating all over lower Suk from Soi 1-28, especially around Sofitel and Hyatt to Soi 11. If you see a cute looking "girl", she is probably not a GG but LB. The only GG's I see in this area are woeful looking Milfs.
I don't know the going rate at Thermae as it’s pointless for farangs to go but not surprised to hear these prices and only Japanese punters appear willing to pay. NEP is even worse when you factor in bar fine, Lady drinks etc.

You have to now have some game and street smarts to be successful in BKK. Go to alternate locations, small bars, coffee shops, etc. And look for gems. They are around but it's a bit like sifting for gold in a stream. Patience and hard work now required.

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781819]Wood bar was empty and 1 lady only around 11 pm.

Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?

Sukumvith still invaded by ladyboy from soi1 to soi 28. Maybe 3-4 ladies in total, only one possibly doable.

African ladies strolling, but I'm not here for black meat.

Am I missing anything or this is the situation in bkk now?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2781944]I met a SYT at a bar in lower Suk a few days ago. We arranged a pool date at my hotel for later in week. I would pick her up at bar at 1 pm to pay her BF of 500 bt and then she wanted 3 k for short time. When I asked how long is ST, she said ST is from 1 pm to midnight so sounds live a good deal to me. A few weeks from now, I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok. I don't know yet whether this is the girl I want to take but she is obviously in contention depending on how our date goes.[/QUOTE]About 6 weeks ago I had two detailed discussions about vacation girlfriend rates. One girl was a very well preserved older girl (49, she claimed) and said she gets 2000 per day, but when I balked at the price she said for me it would be 1000 per day. A couple days later I talked to one of my ST Nana Plaza girls who claimed to be 21 and I was her first ever boom boom customer (555), she said 20,000 per week for her plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. Neither of these girls had a personality that I could tolerate for a week. Probably couldn't tolerate either for an overnight date.

I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781729]As discussed here, they're known as [I]Coyotes[/I], brought in from an outside agency to add some quality and quantity to a bar, but usually not bar fineable, and even if they are, demanding a large price.[/QUOTE]I was under the impression that the Coyotes would be easily distinguishable from the rest, but I guess I was wrong about that. It's a pretty smart idea tbh.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781729]Just about 100% of the Thais (and other nationalities) I've been with, it's customary to shower FIRST before any action (BJ bars the exception). Obviously, Thailand is a hot and humid place, and Thais pride themselves on being clean. (Hom = fragrant. Min = stinks. Compliment a girl by telling her "hom", insult her by saying "min"). While it may seem [I]romantic[/I] to some to start without the shower, I doubt that a Thai would. A gripe I hear about certain nationalities is that they don't want to shower. I certainly could be wrong, but her hesitancy coupled with her lack of English might have prevented her from saying what she wanted - the shower. Just sayin[/QUOTE]You have a valid point about the shower. For me it's just not built into my sexual escalation ladder, so I'll have to squeeze it in. I suppose it could also help make her feel comfortable for me to bring it up.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781729]Step out of the shower with her, give her a hug, bring your face close to the side of her head, take a DEEP breath through your nose, step back, say "hom", watch her reaction. A beer says it's a BIG smile.[/QUOTE]I did this with the coyote at King's Castle since she was smelling her hair a lot. I just didn't know the Thai word, but I don't think she bought it. Her hair just smelled like her hair, but maybe she prefers the smell of perfume.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2781840]What are the latest high end soapies to visit during day time?[/QUOTE]Only visited Poseidon. The Office and Black Caviar are others I read about, but I don't think soapies are for me so I didn't try them.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2781841]Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?[/QUOTE]The PIMP is pretty pricey BTW. For daytime massage parlors would be your best bet. Smooci, sideline, any other escort and MPs where you choose from photos will likely leave you disappointed. Try to go to an MP and see the lineup in person. There are BJ bars as an alternative option.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, [B]but[/B] that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?[/QUOTE]True, but it can help get her attention more quickly if I'm going to be spending some time there.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]Next language lesson[/QUOTE]Very useful list Master Po! I only have one day to make them of use. I have just been saying "You're cute" and "You have a cute smile" where I graze their cheek. Throwing in some Thai would certainly make it more effective!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]Yes, being too brusque is not sanook. But neither is an immediate request for a lady drink. When I get THAT request, I just look at her and say, "shaw shaw". If she leaves, I say a silent thank you; I like the no brainers. If she stays, then how entertaining is she, how is her banter, and while English helps, it's not a necessity. I'm judging her attitude. But with the same mindset as "you'll lose time", I'm also pretty quick with the "you can spend some time with me?", prefaced by a "Yim sue-wey mak mak".[/QUOTE]I agree about the attitude. Perhaps I should try that, but so far all the girls and all the mamasians immediately ask if I'll buy the lady drink. I thought it was standard practice since there might be some punters trying to get something for free. I read some emails on Stickman about brown people (colored in the original email) who split a single beer and a single woman amongst a large group of men. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other brown people who try and get a little company without having to buy the lady drink. Since I'm aware of the stereotype, I don't know what the effect of trying to postpone the First Lady drink a little bit would be.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]I wouldn't know (seeing you outside of work), but I'd certainly guess that. But that is NOT my intention. It's just to keep the contact. I DON'T try to bypass the bar / shop, especially when a bg has a lady drink / bar fine quota. For a FEW, we [I]ping[/I] each other about every quarter, just a Hi, how are you. They usually send a current photo which I appreciate. If nothing else, customer relations, though there is a bit of friends there.

But a perfect example is this.[/QUOTE]This is a good guide on how to approach it, thanks! My intent was primarily for the convenience and perhaps instead of spending time in a noisy, smoky bar, I could arrange a slower paced lunch date or something. I guess that's off the table unless she's freelance then.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]The IMPORTANT point is, it was meaningful to HER, made her feel comfortable. Having the girl feel comfortable with you is all important, and having my dick in her mouth sans condom, with that rack wrapped around it, made me feel VERY comfortable.[/QUOTE]Can't argue with that, it's just a pet peeve of mine.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2781951]plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. [/QUOTE]Not sure why you would need to pay BF for a week if the girl wasn't showing up for work. All she needs to do is tell the bar she isn't working that week and to remove her from the shift.

I'm guessing what's really happening behind the scenes is the girl is trying to double dip. Say she needs to sell 20 drinks or needs a combination of drinks / BF for the week to earn her bar salary. What she will do is pay the bar's portion of the drink price (150 baht / drink x 20 = 3000 baht) so she can earn her 10,000 baht weekly salary.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2781951]But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.[/QUOTE]Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time.

For me to spend a week with a girl she better be able to make me laugh a lot and speak English extremely well.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2781944] I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

If I were taking a girl somewhere nice out of Thailand like Singapore, Korea, Japan, etc. I would expect my price to the girl be zero. If I stay within Thailand or go to a less appealing country like Cambodia that's not as glamorous for the girl I think a fair price would be 1000 to 3000 per day. This really depends on the type of venue she works at and how popular she is. Is she a top end gogo girl at one of the big bars vs a barfly who hardly gets drinks and BF at a beer bar. Say she was a Thermae girl I'd be fair to pay her 2500 baht per day. Per above, I would not be paying any BF to any bar.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]
For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, [B]but[/B] that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?
[/QUOTE]

Last mamasan I bought a lady drink for was Mrs. Bryan Flowers in Pattaya. Was trying to take her away from the Soi 6 mogul with my cheap ass 1 drink!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2781960]Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time![/QUOTE]Buddy of mine said back in 02, "Many guys don't come to Thailand to f& working girls, they come here to date working girls."

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781819]Wood bar was empty and 1 lady only around 11 pm.

Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?

Sukumvith still invaded by ladyboy from soi1 to soi 28. Maybe 3-4 ladies in total, only one possibly doable.

African ladies strolling, but I'm not here for black meat.

Am I missing anything or this is the situation in bkk now?[/QUOTE]That's what I saw last night. Plus thermae was empty at midnight.

[QUOTE=Martin00;2781819]Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?[/QUOTE]Are you white? Tall? Big? I'm asian not sure if that matters but was quoted 2500/2700 for the only two I found attractive on my first visit there. Was it earlier in the day? Maybe later on the price lowers? Think was around 1030 when I got my quotes.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2781960]Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time.

For me to spend a week with a girl she better be able to make me laugh a lot and speak English extremely well.[/QUOTE]Ah, the ignorance of youth, unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality. For relatively very little money, you'll have this subservient Asian beauty at your every beck and call, every whim, hanging on your every nuance, no will of her own.

The first day, everything's fine, it's an amazing adventure. The next day, he wants to do this, but she's tired, she wants to check her phone, catch up with her friends, sleep, post her adventure. But she goes along. The 3rd day, he's bored, her [I]glow[/I] has dissipated, and she's tired of his annoying habits (we all have them). I'm amazed that there aren't more homicides, one way or the other [S]...[/S] Money is a [I]glue[/I] for awhile, but to put up with another person, any person, MY experience, has to be more than just a romp in bed or cash in hand. All those originally unseen imperfections start to become apparent on both sides. Fantasy is fine, but then reality sets in. Even LT, excluding sleep, how many hours are you really interacting with the other, and then having to do that sequentially for a number of days [S]...[/S] One of those ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time. But maybe I'm just a grump. Personally, in Thailand, I have my regulars, once a week sufficient for several, but for the other days, always looking for [I]different[/I]. I'm sure they're happy with that arrangement too.

Not saying it can't be done. Not Thailand, I travel with a [I]friend[/I] in her country for weeks at a time. But we knew each other for almost a year, 1 night a week, beforehand, and she tolerates me quite well, which I truly admire. She enjoys seeing her own country (common interests), she speaks the language, I don't, and I set the itinerary and she handles the logistics. It works, but it's not something that happens instantaneously. You have to build up an immunity against the other person's irks [S]...[/S].

I looked for the pricing report under your name but could not find it. Do you know the number of the report? Nevertheless, it appears that given this particular SYT just started working at a local bar, not a go go, that between $1 k to $1500 might work. I don't know about the comment from the OP about no reason to pay a BF. This girl just started working there and they might take a dim view of her taking off for a week and returning tan and rested and the bar, where I met her, getting no compensation for her absence. But perhaps, the BF can be negotiated a bit.

As it is, I am not sure she would be the best company but it depends on how my daytime and early evening dates goes with her tomorrow. The other reason I was thinking of doing this is because I have read PhiPhi and AO Nong only have moderate nightlife and may not have a lot of spare girls around. Don't know about that since I have never been to either location. Also, like someone below noted, six days could be an eternity if things go south. Three days most couples could endure but after that…Maybe just take her to Ao Nong for three days, the flight for that location leaves and departs from Krabi to BKK.

I am also an older guy too so the idea of hanging in the bars on the beaches every night looking for a prospect does not sound all that appealing. I remember once going to Ko Samui and being quite disappointed about Lamang area. The talent was abysmal. A total waste of time. But for me, if the girl is fun and reasonably attractive and also does not bore easily then I might consider this option.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2781951]About 6 weeks ago I had two detailed discussions about vacation girlfriend rates. One girl was a very well preserved older girl (49, she claimed) and said she gets 2000 per day, but when I balked at the price she said for me it would be 1000 per day. A couple days later I talked to one of my ST Nana Plaza girls who claimed to be 21 and I was her first ever boom boom customer (555), she said 20,000 per week for her plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. Neither of these girls had a personality that I could tolerate for a week. Probably couldn't tolerate either for an overnight date.

I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781895]
My thoughts too. I don't need any more squad members at my age. Condoms are far from fullproof, but certainly better than the rhythm method. I'm not all that familiar with the commonality of birth control pills with the wg's, but even if she said she was, I would have my doubts. Any comments from residents?[/QUOTE]In my experience over the years most wg's who have been at it for any length of time will be using birth control pills, however, a frequent problem seems to be her forgetting to take it some nights, often due to too much alcohol, so even if she says she is "on the pill' it can't be 100% relied upon. The "morning after" pills are easily available here and often used too as a back up.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2781951]
I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. For anything more than a one-off ST, the girl's personality, attitude, and fun-factor is as important, if not more important than her looks alone.

The first day, everything's fine, it's an amazing adventure. The next day, he wants to do this, but she's tired, she wants to check her phone, catch up with her friends, sleep, post her adventure. But she goes along. The 3rd day, he's bored, her [I]glow[/I] has dissipated, and she's tired of his annoying habits (we all have them). I'm amazed that there aren't more homicides, one way or the other [S]...[/S] Money is a [I]glue[/I] for awhile, but to put up with another person, any person, MY experience, has to be more than just a romp in bed or cash in hand. All those originally unseen imperfections start to become apparent on both sides. Fantasy is fine, but then reality sets in. Even LT, excluding sleep, how many hours are you really interacting with the other, and then having to do that sequentially for a number of days [S]...[/S] One of those ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time. But maybe I'm just a grump. Personally, in Thailand, I have my regulars, once a week sufficient for several, but for the other days, always looking for [I]different[/I]. I'm sure they're happy with that arrangement too.

Been with my girl for nearly 14 years, dunno what you are talking about.

I've done this and so has my buddy. If taking a non-P4P Thai girl on a long trip, we pay them whatever they lost from missing time at work. My buddy paid his government worker girlfriend the 30,000 per month that she claimed she earned, later I learned that she earned 20,000 baht per month. He also paid an airport worker the 18,000 for the month she missed work. I did similar with girls that I've taken away from work for a long period of time.

My buddy actually found a wonderful wife with that process. They have now been happily married for 4 years and living in USA. None of these girls were P4P, they all had jobs unrelated to sex industry. Probably even better if their jobs are unrelated to the tourist industry.

Following the wise suggestion today I went and looks for gems! I started in Duagporn MP and had a nice session with a lady big tits and big smile. She definitely was a pro in the BJ, so I see the recruitment department is doing great on that front! 1200 bath in the small room.

Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.

I stopped for a beer in Baccara where I also offered a lady drink and groped a bit a smiling lady that was offering her services. BF was 800 and she asked 3 k, LOL, I declined.

I headed back home to go to sleep, and passing by Nana Plaza my mind (or dick?) changed the plan. In the deluge of ladyboys, I spotted two young ladies sitting on a scooter. I stopped to talk to them, they were cute and actually sisters, lookalike. Slim, smiling, one speaking more English. I asked how much and said 1500ST, so I asked for both and was 3 k, for which I said 1 h and I want to come two times! They laughed, and said yes. Off we go to my place. What a session! The one speaking less English was very accommodating in terms of kissing, sucking, fucking. They were both petite and slim as I like, smiling, having fun. In the first round I shagged one, in the second round the second one, but all the time I was interacting with both. I did a threesome time ago but was a failure, but today was such a success that I'll repeat with them for sure!

BKK is harder than in the past, but there's still a lot to enjoy hidden among the turisty stuff.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2781946]You are correct. Lady Boys are proliferating all over lower Suk from Soi 1-28, especially around Sofitel and Hyatt to Soi 11. If you see a cute looking "girl", she is probably not a GG but LB. The only GG's I see in this area are woeful looking Milfs.
I don't know the going rate at Thermae as its pointless for farangs to go but not surprised to hear these prices and only Japanese punters appear willing to pay. NEP is even worse when you factor in bar fine, Lady drinks etc.

You have to now have some game and street smarts to be successful in BKK. Go to alternate locations, small bars, coffee shops, etc. And look for gems. They are around but it's a bit like sifting for gold in a stream. Patience and hard work now required.[/QUOTE]

Hey Kaiser. Thanks for the great reports.

Thinking about going to the Pimp with the missus. Did you see any couples there? Wondering if they're fine with it or a bit offish?

[QUOTE=Martin00;2782109]Following the wise suggestion today I went and looks for gems! I started in Duagporn MP and had a nice session with a lady big tits and big smile. She definitely was a pro in the BJ, so I see the recruitment department is doing great on that front! 1200 bath in the small room.

Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.

I stopped for a beer in Baccara where I also offered a lady drink and groped a bit a smiling lady that was offering her services. BF was 800 and she asked 3 k, LOL, I declined.

I headed back home to go to sleep, and passing by Nana Plaza my mind (or dick?) changed the plan. In the deluge of ladyboys, I spotted two young ladies sitting on a scooter. I stopped to talk to them, they were cute and actually sisters, lookalike. Slim, smiling, one speaking more English. I asked how much and said 1500ST, so I asked for both and was 3 k, for which I said 1 h and I want to come two times! They laughed, and said yes. Off we go to my place. What a session! The one speaking less English was very accommodating in terms of kissing, sucking, fucking. They were both petite and slim as I like, smiling, having fun. In the first round I shagged one, in the second round the second one, but all the time I was interacting with both. I did a threesome time ago but was a failure, but today was such a success that I'll repeat with them for sure!

BKK is harder than in the past, but there's still a lot to enjoy hidden among the turisty stuff.[/QUOTE] Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2782196]Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.[/QUOTE]Is just off Ratchadapisek Road it is the first Soi when coming from Asok Sukhumvit intersection. Opposite city.

Point hotel.

Don't worry the girls will not let you walk past without letting you know they are around.

[B]Duagporn (not) MP[/B]
[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2782196]Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.[/QUOTE]I believe it was a misquote about MP. For me, Duagporn (Haven) is the real, but little used, name for the moved Som's Haven. Som's was originally off of Soi (8-12 somewhere in there), next to a POPULAR restaurant. A NUMBER of years ago, changed name, and it moved to a small Soi near Asoke, 1st small Soi on Ratchadaphisek (continuation of Asoke road) past Sukhumvit, walking towards Queen Srikit Convention Center, right hand side when walking away from Sukhumvit, across the soi from the City Point hotel. Google Maps, street view (still has the Manikin Pis, see attached)


[B]Gems[/B]
[QUOTE=Martin00;2782109]Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.[/QUOTE]I've certainly found a number on an afternoon's stroll down Soi 23. It might be someone else's slag heap, but for me, sifting through the [I]tailings[/I], some [I]nuggets[/I] can be found.


[B]Bier Garten[/B]
[QUOTE=DCups;2781868]Hi guys, can anyone tell me me the biergarden is still open? I had some good luck there a few years ago. Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE]In Nov 2022, an absolute SHELL of its former self. First visit around noon, literally EMPTY, seems like it was just opening, 3 waitresses, NO customers. Another visit, mid-afternoon, maybe a dozen old farts like me, a bit less WOMEN looking for company. Did not see the cute waitress I've seen there for a decade. It was like the end of the world. HOPEFULLY, it will pick up, especially with the beer bar area next to it. Otherwise, perhaps to be on the auction block for another hotel.


[B]BC Pills[/B]
[QUOTE=SiamMan;2781991]In my experience over the years most wg's who have been at it for any length of time will be using birth control pills, however, a frequent problem seems to be her forgetting to take it some nights, often due to too much alcohol, so even if she says she is "on the pill' it can't be 100% relied upon. The "morning after" pills are easily available here and often used too as a back up.[/QUOTE]That's what I would surmise, along with the [I]forgetful[/I] attitude, along with a [I]it won't happen[/I] attitude after the fact.


[B]Its not the same as it was. [/B]
[QUOTE=Margaya;2781901]Thank you for sharing this info with us.
I kept on reading conflicting information about availability of freelancers in Bangkok and Pattaya. Many posters on this forum said it is almost back to pre pendamic levels but whenever I tried to analyze the beach road videos on you tube, I could easily figure out that the numbers are barely 20% of what they used to be.
For the first time in my mongering life, I had to cancel a ticket to Thailand. No use flying to the other side of world just to see mongering world hit by bombs. Its pretty bad in other countries as well.
Looks like we will have to wait few more months for scene to pick up a bit.[/QUOTE]My feeling on this always reminds me of the last scene in the The Wild Bunch: [I] "It ain't like it used to be, but, uh, it'll do."[/I]

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2781992]Absolutely. For anything more than a one-off ST, the girl's personality, attitude, and fun-factor is as important, if not more important than her looks alone.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%.

[QUOTE=MomoFarang;2781998]Been with my girl for nearly 14 years, dunno what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]Spending an hour with a girl, then thinking that same rapport will last a week [S]...[/S] Not saying it can't happen, my travel companion I've known 16+ years. All I'm saying is, I'd take her for a couple of sequential LT's in town BEFORE taking off for a week. That way, if EITHER wants to bail, it's easy.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2782073]I've done this and so has my buddy. If taking a non-P4P Thai girl on a long trip, we pay them whatever they lost from missing time at work. My buddy paid his government worker girlfriend the 30,000 per month that she claimed she earned, later I learned that she earned 20,000 baht per month. He also paid an airport worker the 18,000 for the month she missed work. I did similar with girls that I've taken away from work for a long period of time.[/QUOTE]Likewise, I pay my companion her monthly salary when she takes off of work (shop clerk). Food, travel costs, some souvenirs, clothes for her (what she SAVES me in my souvenirs worth the cost of hers), etc., covered, plus a red envelope at the end. She doesn't lose any money, makes a little extra, and has a (mostly) nice holiday (she does have to put up with me, good thing she has a sense of humor).

Thanks for the nice report.

Where should I watch the Manchester you nited match tonight?

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781692] I'll still probably end up getting very lost and I'm sure that'll mark me out to the scammers on Patpong.[/QUOTE]Ignore the touts. You have your target, maintain heading (pun intended).

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781692]I had thought about Thermae too, but the thought of negotiating with a free lancer gives me a touch of anxiety, especially with the reports of them favoring the Japanese.[/QUOTE]WTF? You're a boxer, right? So you won't climb in the ring unless you know you can win? Like the bg's who instantly ask for a lady drink, this, for me, is one of those "it never hurts to ask" situations. What's the worst that can happen? My self-esteem is not so endangered that a few "NO's!!!!" with contorted faces will crush me. Been there, done that. It's just [I]entertainment[/I], check out the scene, can't hurt, and at least you can say you've been there. And who knows [S]...[/S] Like Rush says, "Roll the Bones, if the dice are hot, take a shot".

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781957]I was under the impression that the Coyotes would be easily distinguishable from the rest, but I guess I was wrong about that. It's a pretty smart idea tbh.[/QUOTE]Why I hate [I]coyotes[/I] so much, they're just clutter / chaff, obscuring the real targets.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781957]You have a valid point about the shower. For me it's just not built into my sexual escalation ladder, so I'll have to squeeze it in. I suppose it could also help make her feel comfortable for me to bring it up.[/QUOTE]NO need to bring it up. I might offer her a drink first, some chatter, but before ANY romantics, you just say "Shower?" as YOU head towards the shower. Some girls will shower in parallel, others sequential. But it's just a GIVEN [U]BEFORE[/U], my experience anyway.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781957]I did this with the coyote at King's Castle since she was smelling her hair a lot. I just didn't know the Thai word, but I don't think she bought it. Her hair just smelled like her hair, but maybe she prefers the smell of perfume.[/QUOTE]Subtle difference, it's not the hair, it's skin. Sniff her cheek, neck, etc, not hair, then "hom".

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781957]The PIMP is pretty pricey BTW. For daytime massage parlors would be your best bet. Smooci, sideline, any other escort and MPs where you choose from photos will likely leave you disappointed. Try to go to an MP and see the lineup in person. There are BJ bars as an alternative option.[/QUOTE]I certainly prefer an MP LIVE line-up, but a few seem to streamline the process using tablets not a live lineup. I did find the web photos of Kokoro to be accurate. Don Quixote uses a tablet but I already had someone in mind given a previous FR. As mentioned previously, a stroll down Soi 23 CAN be productive. Soi 24/1 can be worth a look (seems Snow White will be resurrected, another INSTITUTION, but like Annies, I'll wait and see), there is always Soi 26's [I]jill-in-a-box[/I] for a cheap thrill (walk away from Sukhumvit, right hand side of Soi 26).

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781957](Lady drink for a mamasan) True, but it can help get her attention more quickly if I'm going to be spending some time there.[/QUOTE]Fine, if she gets me into the lifeboat faster, OK. But for ME, the cost is usually not worth any advantage unless I'm a frequent visitor, and then, she should recognize me anyway.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781957]I agree about the attitude. Perhaps I should try that, but so far all the girls and all the mamasians immediately ask if I'll buy the lady drink. I thought it was standard practice since there might be some punters trying to get something for free. I read some emails on Stickman about brown people (colored in the original email) who split a single beer and a single woman amongst a large group of men. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other brown people who try and get a little company without having to buy the lady drink. Since I'm aware of the stereotype, I don't know what the effect of trying to postpone the First Lady drink a little bit would be.[/QUOTE]OK, full disclosure: I'm Aryan: blonde hair, blue eyes, BAD attitude; nobody mistakes me for anyone else. I'm there as a single, order MY drink (full disclosure, I'm selfish, I don't like to share). But an INSTANT request for a lady drink is one of those "it never hurts to ask" questions. Knowing a FEW words of Thai is a big advantage as it marks you as "experienced". On the street, a "my pie" keeps the tuk-tuks and street touts away. In the bar, a "shaw shaw" (slowly slowly), MY interpretation, is "I know the scene, I'm interested, so convince me I'm correct". A lady drink is not a given UNLESS there seems to be some potential and SHE has to convince ME of that. Her MERE presence is NOT sufficient. Granted, I might lose a number (that's number plural, not a specific number pin), but, fine. It's an audition for that night's starring role. I do understand it's business, and what the business model is NOW (unfortunately). If she is [I]entertaining[/I], has a great attitude, there is potential, fine, I will buy a lady drink for her, and continue the audition. But pretty quickly, I'll bring up the potential of a bar fine to cut my losses, financial and time, in case it's a not. You can bar fine, and if she bar fines, then check willingness (there I expect an honest answer, coyote, period, not-with-you, etc). And I do understand that too many of your refusals will mark you as a "waste of time". Might be a fine line, but I know I can always reset the scale by changing bars.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781957](Line contact) This is a good guide on how to approach it, thanks! My intent was primarily for the convenience and perhaps instead of spending time in a noisy, smoky bar, I could arrange a slower paced lunch date or something. I guess that's off the table unless she's freelance then.[/QUOTE]I've never tried for a "lunch date". Might be possible, but I realize my own limitations, and my "hansum man" days were decades ago, if ever. For an MP, it eases booking; you know she will be there and available. For a bar, you know which bar (if it's a return visit), she'll be there, and if you arrive early, a good shot (pun intended) with her. Gives her something to think about when she gets another offer. I certainly don't expect her to wait all night, and I don't expect her to turn down all offers, it is business, AND I am NOT a safety net. It should be a mutual advantage. One miss, OK, two misses [S]...[/S] the ole "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". It just might give you a slight edge in HER evening's plans. YMMV.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2782196]Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.[/QUOTE]Type "Duangporn Haven" into Google maps and it will show you the location.

[QUOTE=BabiWilson88;2780758]I went to Bangkok last month. I visited few clubs in Sukhuvmit Soi 11, Levels and Sugar Club. Not much girls able to pick up compare with Insanity club. Anyone can recommend which nightclub is easy to pick up in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Last night around 01:45 Insanity Soi 11 (on the end of So1 11 and towards the entry of Fraser Hotels) it was closed.

Can anyone give an update?

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2782292]Last night around 01:45 Insanity Soi 11 (on the end of So1 11 and towards the entry of Fraser Hotels) it was closed.

Can anyone give an update?[/QUOTE]Permanently closed.

Checked out patpong for the first time, was nice walking thru the japanese club and seeing all the ladies on display out side. Easier to pick and choose who you like but we werent up for karaoke today. Ended up going to I believe Badabing and ladies here didn't have any numbers so mamasan would use a laser to point at them. They also brought the entire lineup in front of us right when we got our drinks. Kind of pushy to have us pick someone but nice to see them all instead of having to wait for them to get on stage during the rotation change. Lady drinks seems standard 220 each, but they had this booth with drapes and it was 1500 to close the drapes for nude show and 2500 for BJ, geez that steep. It was pretty dead inside around 9 pm maybe that's why, prices just too high. Forgot to find out bar fine price but didn't think it'd be cheap with those other rates so high already.

[QUOTE=BabiWilson88;2780758]I went to Bangkok last month. I visited few clubs in Sukhuvmit Soi 11, Levels and Sugar Club. Not much girls able to pick up compare with Insanity club. Anyone can recommend which nightclub is easy to pick up in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]My main targets are freebies, since I like the chase (although I hit up the local BJ bars if I strike out).

I've had much better luck in Tinder and FB dating than clubs, as far as picking up "freebies".

Sugar club has also been good to me in the past, but understand that most girls available to farangs in clubs like this are P4 P, especially in this area.

If you're after freebies, a lot of it depends on how long you're here. If you're only here on a week or 2 week holiday, and the girl knows it, forget about freebies and stick to P4 P.

Most of the freebies I've had here take time to cultivate.

Its definitely easy to tag freebies in BKK, if you've got time and patience. I've pulled a ton of them- a few, I've been able to have my way on the first date, but that's not normal.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2782326]but they had this booth with drapes and it was 1500 to close the drapes for nude show and 2500 for BJ,[/QUOTE]Didn't know this was a thing at Badabing. How many girls were there? Were they pretty? It was pretty bad in October but that's outdated information.

Not sure why any single guy would opt for this when 4000 total would roughly be the price for ST at your hotel.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2782376]Didn't know this was a thing at Badabing. How many girls were there? Were they pretty? It was pretty bad in October but that's outdated information.

Not sure why any single guy would opt for this when 4000 total would roughly be the price for ST at your hotel.[/QUOTE]We're they Pretty? No way in San Jose. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2782376]Didn't know this was a thing at Badabing. How many girls were there? Were they pretty? It was pretty bad in October but that's outdated information.

Not sure why any single guy would opt for this when 4000 total would roughly be the price for ST at your hotel.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm mistaken and it was a different go go but one side had regular seats and other side and the booth with drapes, I think only 2 booth. I'd only pick like 2 out of the 20 that was there to take home. Weird notice a lot of girls had pig tails at Patpong went in a few other bars too.

After visiting Thermae Cafe and not wanting the crazy crowds of Nana, or Cowboys Escorts were the answer.

For the most part the girls at Thermae want Asian men and white guys take somewhat of a second place. I heard this after asking a few girls the drill. Small Dick's and quick release is the reason. A freelancer can run 1-2-3 customers a night while the bar is open. ST is the preferred method by most gals working the bar, and frankly overnight is limited to a small few. Sure they will go but in there mind they know what they need to make that night. Quality is in the eyes of the beholder, this said all shapes and sizes are available for your pleasure. Not many 9-10's but who wants all the baggage comes with the prom queen frankly. I have had bad service with a stunner and great service from a girl next door type. If you visit later 9-10 pm the 30-40 girls at that HR will be thinking about maybe No Money so will be often times willing to go with a white guy. Lowering her standards so to speak, HaHa.

Escorts on the other hand are readily available at any HR. Hotel service is easy and quality is all over the map. Some sites photo shop the shit out of their models and pictures might be a year or two old. 27 might be the new 18 for some gals and there agency partners. Get hooked with Line on your phone, they all want to evade the 20-40% the agency takes from them. They all have friends also needing some quick cash and will often Times contact there friend after your finished with them at a lower price. This gives you the ability to build a war chest Fo contacts fast. I myself don't want the loud noises and drunken crowd and a bunch of required Ladies Drinks. A few years back sure but not now, hunting is fun sure but quiet and quality is my thing now. After an initial visit from a service you can find what your looking for easy. Some are great finds while others might have great looks and substandard service. So what's the difference? Sounds like going out and bringing back a hot 18 year old finding she hates this or will not do that.

Whatever your choice all things considered you can have a wonderful existence here and doing what's most comfortable for you.

Stay Safe.

BB.

[QUOTE=ChaChumplin;2782425]We're they Pretty? No way in San Jose. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Is that a BOTG first person observation (date, time), or just wishful thinking?

For the [B]real punters[/B], any eyes on status of SOL?

Stick had an interesting column this week on the gogo bars' evolution.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782488]Is that a BOTG first person observation (date, time), or just wishful thinking?

For the [B]real punters[/B], any eyes on status of SOL?

Stick had an interesting column this week on the gogo bars' evolution.[/QUOTE]I have passed through the little arcade where Star of Light was located a few times over the past 2-3 months. The last time was maybe a week ago. I have never seen it open or any girls sitting outside or near it in all that time. Just the shuttered or boarded up door and window, no sign or indication there ever was a place called "Star of Light" there.

There is another bar or shop, whatever, a bit further up that arcade called Star-something or something-Star, I forget. I have only seen a couple of Ladyboys sitting outside that one. Maybe they put "Star" in the name on the sign just to rake in a few unsuspecting newbies who read these sites, saw the stuff about the old Star of Light bar and think they're going to get a classic, skanky Bangkok BJ-in-the-bar experience with a female in there.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782488]Is that a BOTG first person observation (date, time), or just wishful thinking?

For the [B]real punters[/B], any eyes on status of SOL?

Stick had an interesting column this week on the gogo bars' evolution.[/QUOTE]I'm not a "real punter" since I don't write long trip reports giving all and sundry my thoughts on how a Thai girl thinks, but I'm on the ground. SOL wasn't there when I strolled though PP the other night.

[QUOTE=BillBuxton;2782476]After visiting Thermae Cafe and not wanting the crazy crowds of Nana, or Cowboys Escorts were the answer.

For the most part the girls at Thermae want Asian men and white guys take somewhat of a second place. I heard this after asking a few girls the drill. Small Dick's and quick release is the reason. A freelancer can run 1-2-3 customers a night while the bar is open. ST is the preferred method by most gals working the bar, and frankly overnight is limited to a small few. Sure they will go but in there mind they know what they need to make that night. Quality is in the eyes of the beholder, this said all shapes and sizes are available for your pleasure. Not many 9-10's but who wants all the baggage comes with the prom queen frankly. I have had bad service with a stunner and great service from a girl next door type. If you visit later 9-10 pm the 30-40 girls at that HR will be thinking about maybe No Money so will be often times willing to go with a white guy. Lowering her standards so to speak, HaHa..[/QUOTE]The girls who dress Japanese style are the ones pulling fast multi Asians. They squeal too much for me.

Arrived today, very tired as my flight canceled and did not sleep 34 hours. It was hard to get out and find something so I decided to check Sideline. I choose Poo (24 years on website), on pictures it looks innocent, so I connect with her immediately and decided to go 2 shots 2000 thb 90 min (mistake because I'm so tired). She tell me that she waiting me in hotel and when I came in front of hotel to let her know. Traffic was chaotic so I was 10 min late. She opened the door, totally different person. She greeted me and I came inside room. Take a shover and we started. She have nice skin, tight pussy, good sucking without condom, we go 69 without problem, I tried to put finger in ass a little and she just moan. Then she put condom and was on me, fast rhythm, and I dinish very quick. After 20 min 2nd round, chit chat, she don't know English, barely. She has 28 yeas now so age and picture are not true. Will I repeat? For sure no because 2nd time I see that she just wait for time to finish, and I was without energy so maybe I am guilty a little. Also, would not repeat because I kove when girl is cute, she was not when compare pictures and in live. Everyone who want to try Sideline, go try, its cheap, it is very easy to make contact with them.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2782604]They squeal too much for me.[/QUOTE]I just tell any girl anywhere the more they make fake orgasmic noises the longer I take. Not surprisingly, the fakeness disappears after one simple criticism.

Finally here. Nothing went right. The flight was late leaving Seoul. Then my checked bag seemed like it was the last one in baggage claim. Got ripped at the cash exchange. Equivalent of $7 for $100. What's worse was the ATM with the surcharge and the rip in rate.

Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.

Got my bearings and briefly settled in the room. It was getting close to 2 am and I just wanted to peep the vibe. Yuck, yuck, and more yuck. I didn't go into any bars / go-go's. Everything on the street was trash. I'm not sticking my penis in any of that even if it is free. I did see a couple cuties in the door crack of one of the go-go's. The only thing I remember about it is that it's on the first floor of Nana plaza.

Wanted to eat before I called it a night and got a Bangkok burger on Suk 11. More yuck. I'm literally getting this out my system as I type. I have 4 more nights in Bangkok and then off to Rawaii / Phuket. At least there I can take excursions and enjoy the beach. I think I'm either getting too old (late 40's) or my days of mongering are coming to andend. If I'm going to pay, the be*tch better outclass what I can pick up for free. This is sad. Going to put some real work into TF tomorrow.

[quote=bananaboi;2782758]i just tell any girl anywhere the more they make fake orgasmic noises the longer i take. Not surprisingly, the fakeness disappears after one simple criticism.[/quote]555 / kkk.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2782767]Finally here. Nothing went right. The flight was late leaving Seoul. Then my checked bag seemed like it was the last one in baggage claim. Got ripped at the cash exchange. Equivalent of $7 for $100. What's worse was the ATM with the surcharge and the rip in rate.

Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.

Got my bearings and briefly settled in the room. It was getting close to 2 am and I just wanted to peep the vibe. Yuck, yuck, and more yuck. I didn't go into any bars / go-go's. Everything on the street was trash. I'm not sticking my penis in any of that even if it is free. I did see a couple cuties in the door crack of one of the go-go's. The only thing I remember about it is that it's on the first floor of Nana plaza.

Wanted to eat before I called it a night and got a Bangkok burger on Suk 11. More yuck. I'm literally getting this out my system as I type. I have 4 more nights in Bangkok and then off to Rawaii / Phuket. At least there I can take excursions and enjoy the beach. I think I'm either getting too old (late 40's) or my days of mongering are coming to and end. If I'm going to pay, the be*tch better outclass what I can pick up for free. This is sad. Going to put some real work into TF tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I found most of the ladies in BK TF are not workers. Pattaya, though, they're like all workers. After quite a few not worker / ignore stopped trying TF in BK. Just checked out Thermae, Fiwfans, and some go go, beer bars.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2782556]I have passed through the little arcade where Star of Light was located a few times over the past 2-3 months. The last time was maybe a week ago. I have never seen it open or any girls sitting outside or near it in all that time. Just the shuttered or boarded up door and window, no sign or indication there ever was a place called "Star of Light" there.

There is another bar or shop, whatever, a bit further up that arcade called Star-something or something-Star, I forget. I have only seen a couple of Ladyboys sitting outside that one. Maybe they put "Star" in the name on the sign just to rake in a few unsuspecting newbies who read these sites, saw the stuff about the old Star of Light bar and think they're going to get a classic, skanky Bangkok BJ-in-the-bar experience with a female in there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. 3 years ago, just as the pandemic was starting, poorly staffed, only a couple of girls. For old times sake, I did take one. She didn't recognize the names of girls I knew from the year before, saying she'd only been there for a couple of months. Did make me laugh when she said, as she Listerined her mouth, "no virus here". Perhaps Covid was the end, but who knows? Look at Rose bar, how many lives has that place had? But always sad when an institution expires.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2782758]I just tell any girl anywhere the more they make fake orgasmic noises the longer I take. Not surprisingly, the fakeness disappears after one simple criticism.[/QUOTE]Also works on the "you come yet?", "you finish now" types. Like you, I just say every time they say that, takes me longer. Also make a mental note "single use only".

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2782434]Maybe I'm mistaken and it was a different go go but one side had regular seats and other side and the booth with drapes, I think only 2 booth. I'd only pick like 2 out of the 20 that was there to take home. Weird notice a lot of girls had pig tails at Patpong went in a few other bars too.[/QUOTE]This was not Badabing. You were in the 2nd bar on the right when entering from the BTS side. Badabing is further into the Soi on the left.

Just want to drop a quick report as I'm now in Pattaya. I stayed in a hotel right next to Nana Plaza and spent all four nights in the gogos. The first night, Thursday, was a slow night as I expected from other reports I read here. But Friday Saturday and Sunday were all crazy busy. From my memory it seemed almost the same as my last trip four years ago. More importantly the girls treated me, this 60 year old white guy, very well. Almost no problems with girls not wanting bar fines. One did refuse and Mama said she never goes because she is married. One other at Butterflies the Mama insisted I pay the girl her money before we go so that barfine didn't happen. My only other slight was being ignored by the hotter girls whenever young Koreans are in the club. You would think these guys are all celebrities and maybe they are 555. But after those guys leave it was no problem to have the hottest chicas come to me and even to barfine. And service in the room was very good. All barfines were 1000 except one place 700 and all girls were 3000. I had an awesome 4 nights at Nana. So never even walked down to Cowboy to check it out.

I worked thaifriendly hard for the couple weeks before my trip. After arriving I video chatted a couple and quickly lost interest. Others ignored my request to Vchat. One did come over but I wasn't interested and gave her some taxi money (although she lived nearby and walked over I'm pretty sure). So I quickly realized that since the smorgassboard of Nana gogo hotties was right in my backyard no need to put all the effort into finding a TF girl that meets my physical specs. I could just pay a little more and pick her off the stage. And I'm just a short time guy not looking to wife up or spend more than an hour or so in the room anyhow. So TF was fun to work and get me into the mindset for Thailand but didn't get me any girls to my room. Your mileage may vary especially if you're looking for more than short time.

[QUOTE=Bbbsjjjmi;2782135]Hey Kaiser. Thanks for the great reports.

Thinking about going to the Pimp with the missus. Did you see any couples there? Wondering if they're fine with it or a bit offish?[/QUOTE]There were a few women who didn't appear to be working, but I'm not too certain. I think it'd be fine. All they're after is your cash after all. I'm not sure if the service will be as good if you don't plan to avail the company of any of the girls though. For the best time, I suggest taking a couch and a couple of ladies. Go on one of their event nights for a special show. I'm pretty sure they have them on Fridays.

For the record, I saw quite a number of ladies in other Gogo bars. Quite a few were bored wives and girlfriends who were accompanying their horny men. A few of the women seemed to enjoy the logos though. Compared to Nana and Patpong though, the PIMP is a much classier affair, so I would think it's a better place to visit with your partner. That's just my two cents.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782246]Ignore the touts. You have your target, maintain heading (pun intended).[/QUOTE]Aye aye, captain!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782246]WTF? You're a boxer, right? So you won't climb in the ring unless you know you can win? Like the bg's who instantly ask for a lady drink, this, for me, is one of those "it never hurts to ask" situations. What's the worst that can happen? My self-esteem is not so endangered that a few "NO's!!!!" with contorted faces will crush me. Been there, done that. It's just [I]entertainment[/I], check out the scene, can't hurt, and at least you can say you've been there. And who knows [S]...[/S] Like Rush says, "Roll the Bones, if the dice are hot, take a shot".[/QUOTE]Ultimately the one night I had planned to hit Thermae, I got caught up in a phone call that lasted longer than I expected it to. I'll definitely have to save it for my next visit now. In retrospect, I spent too much time with outcalls, MPs, and Sideline. Gogos are definitely the creme de la creme and I expect the Freelance bars to be similar in quality. Just need to head there and have a backup plan.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782246]NO need to bring it up. I might offer her a drink first, some chatter, but before ANY romantics, you just say "Shower?" as YOU head towards the shower. Some girls will shower in parallel, others sequential. But it's just a GIVEN [U]BEFORE[/U], my experience anyway.[/QUOTE]What you described is how I would bring it up. I would first start with a little kissing, but clothes on, give some heavy eye contact and then whisper it into her ear. This is how I had planned to incorporate I, but never got a chance to field test it.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782246]Subtle difference, it's not the hair, it's skin. Sniff her cheek, neck, etc, not hair, then "hom".[/QUOTE]I used this as soon as you suggested it. I used it on the neck for a couple and then doubled up with "Yim Sui Mai" with her resultant smile. I used it for the hair of one of the girls because her hair genuinely smelled AMAZING! More details in my upcoming report.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782246]I certainly prefer an MP LIVE line-up, but a few seem to streamline the process using tablets not a live lineup. I did find the web photos of Kokoro to be accurate. Don Quixote uses a tablet but I already had someone in mind given a previous FR. As mentioned previously, a stroll down Soi 23 CAN be productive. Soi 24/1 can be worth a look (seems Snow White will be resurrected, another INSTITUTION, but like Annies, I'll wait and see), there is always Soi 26's [I]jill-in-a-box[/I] for a cheap thrill (walk away from Sukhumvit, right hand side of Soi 26).[/QUOTE]Kokoro photos DO look much less edited, but no one caught my eye, so I never bothered visiting. That said, after my poor judgment at 101, I much prefer the bar scene. I have the course of a lady drink to truly inspect my potential target before pulling the trigger.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782246]Fine, if she gets me into the lifeboat faster, OK. But for ME, the cost is usually not worth any advantage unless I'm a frequent visitor, and then, she should recognize me anyway.[/QUOTE]With your advice, I decided to forego all mamasan drinks, and you're right. It's rarely worth the trouble unless the service is exceptional, so I've adjusted my perception to view it as a tip that has to be earned. I sometimes tease them saying I'll think about it later, and for those who are too pushy, I began to outright refuse them and ignore repeated attempts.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782246]OK, full disclosure: I'm Aryan: blonde hair, blue eyes, BAD attitude; nobody mistakes me for anyone else. I'm there as a single, order MY drink (full disclosure, I'm selfish, I don't like to share). But an INSTANT request for a lady drink is one of those "it never hurts to ask" questions. Knowing a FEW words of Thai is a big advantage as it marks you as "experienced". On the street, a "my pie" keeps the tuk-tuks and street touts away. In the bar, a "shaw shaw" (slowly slowly), MY interpretation, is "I know the scene, I'm interested, so convince me I'm correct". A lady drink is not a given UNLESS there seems to be some potential and SHE has to convince ME of that. Her MERE presence is NOT sufficient. Granted, I might lose a number (that's number plural, not a specific number pin), but, fine. It's an audition for that night's starring role. I do understand it's business, and what the business model is NOW (unfortunately). If she is [I]entertaining[/I], has a great attitude, there is potential, fine, I will buy a lady drink for her, and continue the audition. But pretty quickly, I'll bring up the potential of a bar fine to cut my losses, financial and time, in case it's a not. You can bar fine, and if she bar fines, then check willingness (there I expect an honest answer, coyote, period, not-with-you, etc). And I do understand that too many of your refusals will mark you as a "waste of time". Might be a fine line, but I know I can always reset the scale by changing bars.[/QUOTE]I've set up a limit of a max of 2 lady drinks before bringing up the bar fine. I've found that to be the optimal time for me to be certain and also build a little chemistry. There are exceptions where I've felt I can pull the trigger after a single drink too. There were 2 girls whose lady drinks were technically 2 drinks (whiskey / soju and coke). I've now added that to my list of red flags. The first drink is now the cost of business, but the second one HAS to be earned. If I were still in BKK, I might have tried the shaw shaw line. I'm afraid it would sour a lot of potential interactions, as well as earn a few refusals, but without some field testing, I can't be certain. Plus I'm sure a little charm may help it go down more smoothly, so I definitely see it as something worth fine tuning so cut costs and streamline the selection process.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782246]I've never tried for a "lunch date". Might be possible, but I realize my own limitations, and my "hansum man" days were decades ago, if ever. For an MP, it eases booking; you know she will be there and available. For a bar, you know which bar (if it's a return visit), she'll be there, and if you arrive early, a good shot (pun intended) with her. Gives her something to think about when she gets another offer. I certainly don't expect her to wait all night, and I don't expect her to turn down all offers, it is business, AND I am NOT a safety net. It should be a mutual advantage. One miss, OK, two misses [S]...[/S] the ole "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". It just might give you a slight edge in HER evening's plans. YMMV.[/QUOTE]This seems like a fair assessment. For the lunch date, it's because the quality of girls working in the afternoon is often disappointing. This way I don't have to compromise on quality if I want some afternoon delight before the nocturnal hunt.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2782292]Last night around 01:45 Insanity Soi 11 (on the end of So1 11 and towards the entry of Fraser Hotels) it was closed.

Can anyone give an update?[/QUOTE]Website says closed. I wanted to go for New Year's and tried calling them, but the phone was disconnected iirc.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2782326]Checked out patpong for the first time, was nice walking thru the japanese club and seeing all the ladies on display out side. Easier to pick and choose who you like but we werent up for karaoke today. Ended up going to I believe Badabing and ladies here didn't have any numbers so mamasan would use a laser to point at them. They also brought the entire lineup in front of us right when we got our drinks. Kind of pushy to have us pick someone but nice to see them all instead of having to wait for them to get on stage during the rotation change. Lady drinks seems standard 220 each, but they had this booth with drapes and it was 1500 to close the drapes for nude show and 2500 for BJ, geez that steep. It was pretty dead inside around 9 pm maybe that's why, prices just too high. Forgot to find out bar fine price but didn't think it'd be cheap with those other rates so high already.[/QUOTE]Had no idea that was possible, but that's a ridiculous price! When the going rate for most ST is 3 k and that can sometimes get you 2 shots and BBFS, a single BJ is a bit of ripoff. Even 7-Heaven that is one of the higher end BJ bars is 1300 without any extras. 2500 will get you a 60 min outcall from Body Bliss and 90 minutes full service at a number of MPs with the possible of 2 shots depending on the location.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2782488]Is that a BOTG first person observation (date, time), or just wishful thinking?

For the [B]real punters[/B], any eyes on status of SOL?

Stick had an interesting column this week on the gogo bars' evolution.[/QUOTE]Private Kaiser on duty! Star of Light is down, I repeat, Star of Light is down! I went there last Saturday and after my session in Meet the World, I literally walked up and down the street 3 times. I even went inside the little alcove and had to fend off some other bar girl. Also Meet the World is on it's death bed. It'll be there in my upcoming report, but if any of you veteran punters need to say goodbye, you had better visit ASAP!

[QUOTE=Pgaka;2782699]She opened the door, totally different person. Everyone who want to try Sideline, go try, its cheap, it is very easy to make contact with them.[/QUOTE]Typical Sideline experience! Definitely recommended if cheap prices are your number 1 priority!

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2782767]
Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the 3 taxis I asked about the meter just scoffed at me very rudely. Grab is a great option and saves me the trouble of unnecessary conflict. I'd rather wait 10 minutes sweating in the street than haggle with a taxi. I also discovered a cheaper app called Bolt, recommended by a girl from Dollhouse on Cowboy. The rates are much cheaper, but availability can be a problem. Sukhumvit Soi 22 (near Phrom Pong) to the airport was 340 baht. Trying to get one from Nana took over 20 minutes because most drivers were refusing on ignoring the request.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2782767] The only thing I remember about it is that it's on the first floor of Nana plaza.[/QUOTE]The quality is mostly concentrated on the top floor from what I saw, and if you go there past 1 AM, most will be outside the bars and a lot of them are munching on dinner.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2782767] Going to put some real work into TF tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I'd say it's a poor investment of your time. Most of the reports of TF (mine included) are disappointing. You may have better luck in Phuket, so you could get a head start instead of wasting your time on the Bangkok TF girls.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2782893]All barfines were 1000 except one place 700 and all girls were 3000.[/QUOTE]Most of my bar fines were 700, a couple were 800. Only Geisha and Twister charged me 1000 for ST bar fine. Billboard was 1000 for LT bar fine and the ST was cheaper.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2782893]So I quickly realized that since the smorgassboard of Nana gogo hotties was right in my backyard no need to put all the effort into finding a TF girl that meets my physical specs. I could just pay a little more and pick her off the stage.[/QUOTE]100% agree with this assessment. Gogos are the best investment of time if you're after quality and don't want to waste too much time. It's DEFINITELY worth the extra cost in my books!

[B]20 Jan[/B]

I was initially conflicted whether to hit Patpong again tonight or to try my luck at Thermae. Another report said white guys take second place to the East Asians, so I could have seen how brown guys measure up in the racial hierarchy. Unfortunately I got caught up with a long phone call and only left my hotel at 10:45 PM. I felt Patpong was a touch too far and I felt striking out at Thermae would leave me very little time for a backup at Nana or Cowboy. Plus it looked like Therma was a bit of a walk from either Nana or Asok BTS and my sweat may have made me a less attractive option for the Freelancers, so Thermae was shelved. I settled on Cowboy and I would hit either Crazy House, Dollhouse or Cowboy 2 allowing my whim to guide me. As I entered [B]Dollhouse[/B], I saw a curtain and a staircase. Feeling like I was in a CYOA book, and unsure whether the quality was upstairs, I took a peek behind the curtain. There was a decent crowd and this was the first venue where I saw fully nude girls. The girls made a point to spread their legs often and squat so that no one was in doubt. I was ushered onto a stool by the bar and handed a menu. Draft beer for 95 baht a mug is another reason I would recommend this bar to fellow punters. Next to me was an older gentlemen who was being thoroughly entertained by 3 of the nude girls. I felt like asking for the one in the center to join me, but she only had eyes for the older man beside me and I didn't have the heart to try and steal another man's target after having had that done to me twice already. I sipped my beer and scouted the stage for potential talent. The non nude girls were dressed in sexy football kits with some football match going on the screen above us on the second floor, visible to us thanks to a cutout in the ceiling. There was a single nude lady on a separate solo circular stage to the side as well. It took a while before I found a target. Dressed only in her glasses, she appeared to exude a shy vibe. After giving her some consistent eye contact, she asked if I was interested. She then gave me an update to how much time she had to remain on stage till she could join me. 5 minutes. 3 minutes. Then all the nude girls pulled on their short little black dresses and made their way off the stage. I lost sight of my girl, until I felt a firm hand envelope me from behind. Suppressing my 'fight' instinct, I turned around to meet Ploy, my first ploy. She sat beside me on the stool and ran the usual questions before asking if I would buy her a drink. She seemed to have too much energy, which felt like a red flag, but she sat on my lap and changed my mind real quick. After ordering her drink, she led me to the couch and truly showed me what she could do. Kissing me, giving me a lap dance, while I played with her clit, sliding my hand to fondle her breasts from behind, pull her tits out for a snack after I turned her around. Her clothing option was beyond optimal and more bar girls should follow this Dollhouse dress code imo. While conversing, she told me that she was an engineering student and came here to make some extra money since she didn't have a boyfriend. She asked me for another drink and asked whether I would buy the mamasan one and pleaded her case. Feeling in a somewhat generous mood, I gave in after visibly giving it some thought. Brought up the bar fine and she hurried off to change as I settled my bill. I paid around 2000 baht for the bar fine, but I don't remember exactly how much the bar fine was. She was only interested in ST, but I couldn't bring up the cost or time before she scurried away. HUGE MISTAKE!

She returned in a much longer black dress, and we got a taxi back to the hotel. She was definitely the tallest girl I had ever been with, only a couple of inches shorter than me. Some DFK in the lift prompted her to spot the camera in the corner, to which I responded by turning to face the camera and give them a little performance unabashedly. I don't recall how it came up, but I ended up carrying her from the lift to the door. Reaching our destination, she painfully remarked that she must be heavy and I responded by squatting her a couple of times and saying,"not really". We showered and she gingerly told me 7 k for no condom in response to my phallic teasing. Once we got out she asked me to draw the curtains. How a girl that literally dances buck naked on a stage is embarrassed by not having the curtains drawn on the 23rd floor in the middle of the night is a mystery to me. As I turned back around I saw her checking her weight just like every other girl. 52.4 kg. My biggest catch fishing in Bangkok waters. After some heavy foreplay, we began the negotiation. I was ready fro 7 k, but she now added a surcharge for the finish- 10 k for CIP and 8 k for CIM. I wouldn't bite and just continued with foreplay, to which she pulled me up and had me enter her confirming CIM.

Going down on her, she could only tolerate a couple minutes before arching back getting down to the main course. She would arch her back in an exaggerated fashion after a few minutes of the ole in and out. This repeated for multiple cycles and was quite frustrating. I switched to doggy and she started getting frustrated that I wasn't finishing. She blew me for a while because she was tired, but this was the toothiest blowjob I've received since my first girlfriend. I did not expect this from someone who does this for a living. She tried a handjob, but it was more like she was trying to uproot my penis like a root vegetable. She went to the bathroom and when she returned we just lay down for a time. I thought I'd give her a chance to rest. We conversed a little bit and she became a lot more vulnerable, admitting she wasn't really an engineering student. She was suffering from some PMS with breast soreness. Then she suddenly got up and start getting dressed, which stupefied me since I had yet to finish. She then informed me that she told the bar she would return in 2 hours otherwise she would lose 3 k. She blamed me for not finishing, saying, "Lady no like slowly". She clearly wanted a one pump chump, but I decided this was a good time to renege. I initially thought of giving her 5 k, which was still a lot for ST, but I thought deducting 2 k for not finishing was too harsh, so I offered her 6 k. She said "Up to you" and she disappeared into the night.

I decided to call an outcall service for a BJ. Body Bliss said none of the available girls would do CIM or even BBBJ. That was probably a lie, since one of the girls offered gave me a BBBJ the last time I had booked her. They were probably just tired and didn't want to put up with my questions. I chose [B]Sensual Massage[/B] because when I asked them about BBBJ and CIM, they said I could negotiate with my masseuse when she arrived, which sounded like they just didn't want to say that she did, so even though it was slightly more expensive than Body Bliss I made a booking. She arrived in 25 minutes later, showered, and gave me a massage in her underwear. The massage was pretty good, but I had forgotten the feeling of disappointment when you see that your provider doesn't match the photo. I have officially been spoiled by Gogos! She removed her bra and I felt the unnaturally firm pressure of her fake breasts on my back. I turned over and she oiled my pistol before pulling out a condom. I asked for BBBJ, but she said no. At this point I was too tired, and all I wanted to do was finish and pass the fuck out. She didn't need to work too long for me to fill the rubber, but to her credit she kept up the pace the entire time I was climaxing. We both showered, I paid her and collapsed in bed.

*[B]Total Damage[/B] = A little under 11,000 - 3 Draft Beers, 2 Lady Drinks, 1 Mamasan Drink, unfinished ST. BBFS, 60 min massage with BJ.

Walked through Patpong 1 on Saturday night, around 8 pm, on my way to somewhere else. It was very quiet. The night market was working on the Surawong Road end of Patpong 1, the far end from Silom Road. The night market covered maybe one third of Patpong 1 and there were maybe a quarter of the number of stalls there used to be and only a few customers. Three or four of the bars showed signs of opening but just one or two girls in their uniforms were about and it was very quiet.

My last night in the big mango was certainly going to be a long one. Having been enticed by the descriptions for MtW and SoL from the veterans, I boarded the BTS at 3 PM. I was almost certain SoL would be shuttered since Google Maps said it was 'Permanently Closed' and the someone had uploaded an image of its shutters. I wasn't sure about MtW since it wasn't listed on Google Maps, but it was my backup plan. If both were shut, I decided that I would spend some time at the Patpong Museum before figuring out where to get my rocks off. Thank to [B]11Bravo[/B]'s excellent directions, I was able to find [B]Meet the World[/B] even easier than following GPS. The bars were all deserted with only 1 or 2 stragglers here and there. Young men were pulling equipment to set up their stalls for the evening and bartenders were sitting idly just shooting the breeze. I saw a number of bars advertising 'Hot Boys' and 'Gay nights', so I think that might be the future of Patpong. I couldn't spot Star of Light, but did see the Meet the World sign on the second floor as I was strolling the street below. There were 2 ladies dressed in red sitting outside with the door to the bar closed. Was I about to witness my first debaucherous orgy? No, there was literally no one inside. I asked the mamasan for a Singha ands asked if I would like to buy the ladies a drink. I asked her if anyone else was working, but it was only those 2. Neither were to my taste frankly, but feeling obliged to experience one of the classic punter haunts, I took up mamasan's offer of a 2 lady discount.

No sooner had I accepted, that Vivian shoved her tongue down my throat and Emmy began trying to undo my belt. I found it funny that Vivian introduced herself as V and mamasan had to interject with Vivian. Clearly these were the names chosen to accommodate the Western mongers who dominated the scene in the past. Both ladies were over 30 and at least 1 of them was almost certainly older than me, but we were all naked in a matter of seconds. The girls alternated going down on me while the other would sit on the sofa to kiss me. After maybe 5 minutes, I finished in Vivian's throat. This was definitely the deepest CIM, I've experienced in Bangkok so far. As we sipped on our drinks, the girls asked if I would be ready for round 2. This was a nice change of pace compared to most places where I have to ask and often be refused a second shot. They both began blowing me once again and while fingering them, I found Vivian to be exceedingly wet. I then asked them to fuck me and mamasan it would be 1500 per girl, but that's a great deal for BBFS. They both took turns riding me while I kissed the other or suckled on their breasts. Unfortunately the couch made the cowgirl position less than ideal. The girls then both knelt on the floor to suck off my little friend. I had one on my cock and the other on my balls, before I had them switch. At one point they sandwiched my cock between their lips and the visual was pretty great! Emmy then motioned for me to get off of the couch and then bent over using the couch for support as I fucked her doggy style and Vivian stood by my side to kiss me. Finishing inside was OK, so I didn't hesitate to plant my seed. As we sat down, Emmy told me she was 4 and I was 2. I don't know if she meant that was the scoreboard for our orgasms since I don't think I'm that good. Sitting back down on the couch, mamasan asked if I'd like another round of drinks and I agreed. I just wanted a little anticlimax to a fantastic threesome experience. We conversed a bit with mamasan acting as the translator. 'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' were added to my dictionary. There were quite a few other words I learned, but they have since evaporated from my mind. Aside from 'Pum Pui' which Vivian said pinching her love handles. It meant she felt felt to which I grabbed my belly fat and said "Same Same". Emmy wanted in, so turned her ass to us, spanked it and said "Put Pui". I found myself beginning to understand body language and tone, and so the gibberish that was once the Thai language had now been demystified to me. Mamasan and both girls asked me for round 3, but I just joked that junior had gone to sleep even making a show of trying to wake him up. Emmy massaged my legs while we chatted some more before eventually getting dressed and clearing my bill. Mamasan had asked for a tip and I gave her the 100 baht I would have gotten as change, but I jokingly clarified that this wasn't a tip, it was my payment for her translation services. Mamasan even told me to recommend the bar to others, but the writing's already on the wall. I give it 6-24 months before it shuts, which I predict will be the case for most Patpong bars. It's a shame since this was one of the best experiences I had had and close to the cheapest too. If this was the mongering scene of years past, I understand why veterans feel it has been besmirched. The only audience I had today was the mamasan, and it was a shame that no new customers had walked in on the scene, since that would certainly have added to the experience. If only my insatiable degeneracy had been privileged to experience it when the hottest girls were following this business model.

*[B]Damages[/B] = 6,000 = 1000 + 1000 for the BJ round, 1500 + 1500 for the sex round, 900 for 2 Singha and 4 lady drinks and 100 for Mamasan Translate.

There was another lady sitting outside as I left who noticed all the makeup that had been transferred to my face and called Vivian to clean me up. I then patrolled the street a few times looking for any signs of life from Star of Light, but alas there is literally no trace of it left. I proceeded to the Patpong Museum to kill some time and plan my next move. I grabbed a couple drinks at Paddy Field and ordered a Cheese Steak Sandwich, but after waiting quite a while I was served with Cheese Sticks. I tried to ask the staff were Kikyo was since I had heard it served some great Japanese food, but they did not understand a word of what I was saying. I noticed Woodland had a restaurant section, so I decided to fuel up here instead. Not quite the veteran's lime soda, but I hadn't eaten since the night before.

Next stop - [B]XXX Lounge[/B] There were 6-8 girls on stage, but it was clearly still too early in the night. Girls were slowly trickling in to start their shifts as I sipped on my Singha. I went outside a couple times to see the Tiger performance for Chinese New Year. None of the girls looked good, so I headed back out deciding to take a look at the night market and possibly buy a few souvenirs.

I still felt the night was too young, so followed one of the people advertising the [B]'Ping Pong' show[/B]. The dwarf took me up a flight of stairs and an eager mamasan called a lineup instantly. None were too my liking and this wasn't why I followed the little man, so he then took me to a neighboring location. The man at the entrance asked me for 500 baht and I balked. He said that the girls are fully exposed and I simply responded I could pay that as a bar fine, for which I would get to do more than just look. I offered 200 and we settled on 300. He commented about the 'small boy' who had brought me over and I laughed saying he was a small man. I suppose his size was supposed to evoke the sympathy garnered from witnessing child labour. The Singha inside cost me 200 baht, so this place was designed as a ripoff. The show was what I expected it to be- 2 heavy set women, 1 of whom was well in her 40's performed the tricks that everyone the world over has heard about. They had hired 2 slightly more attractive girls as eye candy backdrops. They are very sensitive to phones and just pulling mine out to respond to text messages had both the performer and the manager tell me 'No Photos'. Texting may have been a mistake, since at one point I was punished for taking my eyes off the stage with one of the women spraying water out of her vagina and me being front and center acting as the splash guard for those seated behind. There were a large number of tourists in attendance and the scene of 30 or so run of the mill, salt of the earth Belgians watching the Thai women do these bizarre acts for the amusement made me realize its exploitative nature. Had the performers been happier to perform or had onlookers been more interested, it may not have rubbed me the wrong way. The ladies would intermittently walk around with a tray for tips, but once they began repeating the acts, I decided it was time to leave. Something to cross of the bucket list, but a lackluster experience that I would advise others to avoid. The manager wanted to try and milk some more money out of me and was trying to take the to a different location, probably the same MP I was taken to by the dwarf. He never had the chance since one of the Belgians attempted to tackle me on the stairs even though we weren't playing football. The narrow stairs and alcohol were clearly a poor combination, but I didn't think anyone would be inebriated enough to not look down so early in the night. Asking if he was ok, I bounded down the stairs just because the lady at the bottom told me come down slowly. The contrarian in me could not comply with such a directive.

*[B]Damages[/B] = 500 - Ping Pong Show, 1 Singha + how much it'll cost to wash the secretions out of my clothes.

I then strolled to [B]Black Pagoda[/B] where a couple of young, white guys had informed me there would be a rap / reggae party later that night. I walked upstairs and grabbed a seat by one of the poles. There was a girl feeling cold and looking a little sad on the couch to my right. I decided to tease her playfully and then invited her over for a drink. She was quite cute, but looked a lot older than she was was. I had guessed 29 when she asked me, but she corrected me that she was 21. She had an ugly scar running along her right breast and she told me it was from removing her silicone. She then showed me the scar under her left breast. The surgeon who had inserted the silicone implants did a decent job, but whoever pulled them out most certainly did not. I inspected her tattoos as well, commenting on those artists who had done a good job and those who had not. She had a classical ceasearean section scar, which confused me and I commented on the fact that those weren't common anymore. We then moved to the back of the bar closer to the DJ and rapper, whom I was surprised to find was a white guy despite belting out bars in fluent Thai. I had decided that I wouldn't be taking this girl home, but she was good for a conversation. She offered me the 'Tequila Package' - 6 shots for 900 baht. Since I had been drinking for several hours already, shots would probably only end badly, so I refused. She told me she would only do ST because she had to get home to her child, I refused another lady drink and she excused herself telling me she would return. I decided this was a good time to leave. At the bottom, the same white guy who had invited me earlier offered me some weed. I decided to buy some edibles since I hadn't had them before and the few times I tried to buy them from other stores, they had already sold out. He was Austrian, so I brushed off the 4 lines of German I still remembered from High School. We chatted a little before I looked for another bar.

*[B]Damages[/B] = 560 - Beer and Lady Drinks (I think 2 each, but don't remember too clearly).

I had been told about [B]The Strip[/B] while in the Patpong Museum since the owner owns both establishments. No sooner was my Singha served that a grumpy mamasan asked me which girl I wanted from the stage. I told her no one had caught me eye yet, so she called for a line up. There was one very busty girl who was cute, who I chose. The lady drink was absolutely tiny and she was asking for another one in hardly a few minutes. The system seemed reminiscent of Baccara and since the girls had no sense of rhythm, nor did I have any chemistry with her, I refused the second lady drink. She was instantly and very visibly saddened. A few of the girls on stage even consoled her when she returned to the stage. Compared to the other establishments I had visited on Patpong, this was the outlier, adopting the more aggressive tactics that might pass on Cowboy. In Patpong however, where the drinks and bar fines tend to be so much cheaper, it's a little excessive especially since the quality of girls is no different.

*[B]Damages[/B] = 380 - 1 Singha, 1 Lady Drink.

Walking up and down Patpong 1 and 2, I had seen 2 King's Castles. 1 of them has the girls dressed in red and was where I had been bamboozled by the coyote the last time. The other dresses their girls in black and I decided that it would be my last stop and I would try and find someone there. After The Strip, I was feeling very full and I could imagine ordering another beer. There was another dragon performance happening outside Thigh Bar that had drawn a crowd, so I decided to watch and hopefully deflate a little. I couldn't help but notice how touristy the entire scene was. This was no longer a scene for punters, but the average Joe, his missus and maybe even the kids. If there was any doubt about Patpong's condition, this was the scene that drove home that it was doomed. Patpong is now for tourists and gays. King's castle is probably the last bastion, but most of the clientele appeared to be Thai unlike Nana and Cowboy, so I don't know if it'll be able to hold out.

Vaguely recalling that Thigh bar was also supposed to be a Gogo, I asked up to the entrance once the dragon performance had concluded, but they were charging entry and when I asked, I was told they were doing Ping Pong shows. Seeing that it was quite late, I changed my plans for King's Castle instead opting to head to Nana. I immediately headed for the top floor planning to visit Red Mandarin or Butterflies, since those were in my mind from the pictures on Stickman's blog. I landed up at [B]Geisha[/B] instead and grabbed a stool by the stage. Here too, the dancers on either end of the stage are fully nude and a few of them were lathering themselves with a loofah and some boisterous punters were giving them a spank and feeling them up now and again. I picked one of the nude dancers and headed for a couch. Once she arrived, I realized she was a butterface, perhaps horse face would be more accurate. Could I have put on the proverbial beer goggles or was this simply my undercorrected myopia? I only realized this a few minutes after ordering her drinks. Yes, she ordered Soju and Coke, which counts as 2. This has cemented my decision to instantly refuse any girl who wants 2 drinks. While I we engaged in the usual questionnaire given to all bar girls, I noticed 2 hotties giving the gentlemen in the row in from tof me a lapdance. Trying not to stare at this girl's protuberant jaw, I scanned the stage for an alternative and I asked the mamasan to call up the smug cutie with braids. Horse Face dejectedly told me she was pretty and I agreed. She then asked if she could go back to the stage and I dismissed her. I wish I had noticed the number of the girls who had left the 2 gentlemen without being bar fined. This time I was certain since I could hear the mamasan speak to them. She confidently seated herself on my lap and asked for a Soju, even letting me smell it to confirm. She was grinding and dancing and definitely had a sense of rhythm. She turned around and her hair smelled absolutely amazing! Her smirk drove me wild, so I brought up the bar fine sooner rather than later. The mamasan seated next to me informed me she wouldn't do LT and ST was 4 k with a bar fine of 1000. I had refused to buy her a mamasan drink when getting her a lady drink, so I wasn't sure if that was the reason for the higher price. When my girl walked off to change, mamasan asked me for a tip and I shook my head no. As I collected my change from the check bin, she brazenly stuck her hand in front of my face. I simply ignored her rudeness and silently organized the change into my wallet and waited for braids to return.

We walked to the Nana intersection and I took me quite a while to connect to the Bolt Taxi. I tried to flag a regular taxi and he asked for 200 LMAO. He refused to use the meter with an expression as though I had asked to Bar Fine his mother. My Bolt called and I asked braids to direct him to our location. She hurriedly waved me over to a taxi that had just stopped, but I couldn't see the cell phone stand and this raised my eyebrow. My phone began to ring and it was the Bolt. This girl had clearly gotten into some random taxi, not at all understanding about the Bolt. She was clearly not the brightest bulb in the drawer, but I wasn't paying for her intelligence. When we got down at the hotel, I was asked to pay 200 baht smh. [I]FACEPALM[/I].

We headed to my room, showered and after foreplay there was no mention of the dreaded see word, and she was wet! Bareback in a number of positions, before I started to feel all the beer I had been drinking that day. CIP and CIM were both off the table, she even refused to blow me, but I didn't mind and just painted her back and still-wiggling butt. We showered and I counted her money in front of her and deposited in there purse. She pulled it out and counted it again- my point about her IQ stands, but the smile on her face was very satisfying.

*[B]Damages[/B] = 5,970 = 2 Beers, 3 Lady Drinks, 1 BF, 1ST. BBFS.

What I was most grateful was access to cheap water at Foodland, paying 50 baht for 3 liters of water over the course of the night. I had unfortunately overlooked that Crystal was the cheapest option by a lot and paid a little extra, but it's tiny on the grand scale of my last night in Bangkok.

Another funny thing I realized while packing the next day was [B]11Bravo[/B]'s advice about carrying an umbrella to prevent rain. Since I had recently purchased condoms after Sirilak from Billboard refused bareback, all 3 boxes had been unopened. So clearly this advice applied to raincoats and umbrellas of all varieties.

Thus ends my Mango Mongering. I still need to try my luck at the Freelance bars and Kapoo Clubs, but with MPs, Soapies, Sideline, Smooci and other outcalls, Gogos, and a Gentlemen's Club under my belt, I'm quite pleased looking back. I don't know when I will return, but fuck it, fuck you, and happy fucking!

Relax, it will get better.

Overall things are quite bad in Bangkok specially. They were bad pre pandemic as well but it is no longer the place it used to be. Lets hope it will improve.

Keep us posted please.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2782767]Finally here. Nothing went right. The flight was late leaving Seoul. Then my checked bag seemed like it was the last one in baggage claim. Got ripped at the cash exchange. Equivalent of $7 for $100. What's worse was the ATM with the surcharge and the rip in rate.

Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.

Got my bearings and briefly settled in the room. It was getting close to 2 am and I just wanted to peep the vibe. Yuck, yuck, and more yuck. I didn't go into any bars / go-go's. Everything on the street was trash. I'm not sticking my penis in any of that even if it is free. I did see a couple cuties in the door crack of one of the go-go's. The only thing I remember about it is that it's on the first floor of Nana plaza.

Wanted to eat before I called it a night and got a Bangkok burger on Suk 11. More yuck. I'm literally getting this out my system as I type. I have 4 more nights in Bangkok and then off to Rawaii / Phuket. At least there I can take excursions and enjoy the beach. I think I'm either getting too old (late 40's) or my days of mongering are coming to andend. If I'm going to pay, the be*tch better outclass what I can pick up for free. This is sad. Going to put some real work into TF tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782908]

Most of my bar fines were 700, a couple were 800. Only Geisha and Twister charged me 1000 for ST bar fine. Billboard was 1000 for LT bar fine and the ST was cheaper.

100% agree with this assessment. Gogos are the best investment of time if you're after quality and don't want to waste too much time. It's DEFINITELY worth the extra cost in my books![/QUOTE]I drink a lot so either my attention span or my memory is shit probably both 555. But yeah I did pay 1000 barfine for a tatooed up hottie in Geisha with bicolor hair. She has implants but they are soft as naturals. Usually I hate silicone so maybe she has the saline implants I've heard some get in thailand. I'll be seeing her again in a couple weeks when I get back to Bangkok. Her service was very good and I'm blind to tatoos anymore.

Billboard was fun to visit and have a drink but the chicas are too thick for me. I could never even find one to buy a drink. Still I stopped in often and enjoyed the party atmosphere.

Butterflies I remember specifically it was 1000 barfine because that's where Mama insisted I pay the girl first and I got my 1000 baht back. This place easily has the best party atmosphere and reminded of a Las Vegas strip club vibe on Friday night.

The most consistent place for hot girls for me was Rainbow 5 and I paid 1000 baht at least a couple times there. That's the only place that was very busy on Thursday night.

I've learned to hit the little bars in the corners. I can't remember their names but don't shy away just because mamas are being aggressive to get guys into their doors.

No idea which place was 700 barfine but I was happy to hear that and happily paid it. I do remember the girl was 20 years old and it was her 3rd day working. We had fun both she and me.

I stayed at Majestic Suites hotel which is right around the corner from the gogos and very convenient if you want to barfine a couple girls each night as it's only a two minute walk.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2782767]
Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.[/QUOTE]I inadvertently learned how to get back at the taxi drivers who try to rip us off. In early 2022 I was returning to BKK from Krabi, I told the driver "Sukhumvit Soi 11" and he told me 1000 baht. With such a high initial offer, I didn’t want to haggle. I simply said "too much", gathered my belongings, and got another ticket for a different taxi. The original driver followed me with offers of lower prices, but I pressed forward and got a different taxi. The original driver seemed truly pissed, but so was I.

After thinking about it, I suspect that my original driver was forced to go through some procedure to get another passenger. Perhaps he even had to go to the end of the taxi queue and again wait for his turn. Seems the same as a bar girl who refuses your offer of 1500, maybe she can get 2000 but she needs to wait for another customer.

Historically, I’ve been mostly satisfied with BKK taxis. To avoid such ugliness in future, I say the word "meter" before the driver ever touches my luggage.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2783024]I inadvertently learned how to get back at the taxi drivers who try to rip us off. In early 2022 I was returning to BKK from Krabi, I told the driver "Sukhumvit Soi 11" and he told me 1000 baht. With such a high initial offer, I didnt want to haggle. I simply said "too much", gathered my belongings, and got another ticket for a different taxi. The original driver followed me with offers of lower prices, but I pressed forward and got a different taxi. The original driver seemed truly pissed, but so was I.

After thinking about it, I suspect that my original driver was forced to go through some procedure to get another passenger. Perhaps he even had to go to the end of the taxi queue and again wait for his turn. Seems the same as a bar girl who refuses your offer of 1500, maybe she can get 2000 but she needs to wait for another customer.

Historically, Ive been mostly satisfied with BKK taxis. To avoid such ugliness in future, I say the word "meter" before the driver ever touches my luggage.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I read enough on here about Taxi's not to go for that. I have been using Bolt exclusively, but the wait is about 10 minutes around Nana Plaza. No problems getting picked up from my condo in Ekkamai.

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[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2783024] I say the word "meter" before the driver ever touches my luggage.[/QUOTE]The way I've always done it for any taxi in Thailand. NEVER ask a taxi driver how much and ALWAYS say 'meter?' first. Also never ask a baht bus driver how much it's always 10 baht unless you're on one of the white colored baht buses. I was with another ISG member and we hopped in to a taxi that agreed to a meter. Once we got in he refused to turn on his meter and all I kept saying over and over and over again was I'm only going to pay whatever it says on the meter. We ended up going about 1/3 our ride until he turned on his meter. In the end, he made less money because he didn't turn on his meter right away.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2783063]I have been using Bolt exclusively, but the wait is about 10 minutes around Nana Plaza. No problems getting picked up from my condo in Ekkamai.[/QUOTE]How is the wait for Bolt now since the fairly recent licensing crackdown? Agree getting a Bolt outside the tourist areas is so much easier.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2783107]how is the wait for Bolt now since the fairly recent licensing crackdown? Agree getting a Bolt outside the tourist areas is so much easier.[/QUOTE]I used bolt mainly in BKK near Terminal 21 but a few times at Pattaya too and it was pretty short wait every time I wanted a bike. Maybe 2 minutes or so but if I tried to get a car it would just say busy so couldn't even book anything. Friend I believe used Grab and was able to book car but that took a while still maybe 10 minutes+ each time.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2783118]I used bolt mainly in BKK near Terminal 21 but a few times at Pattaya too and it was pretty short wait every time I wanted a bike. Maybe 2 minutes or so but if I tried to get a car it would just say busy so couldn't even book anything.[/QUOTE]Thanks Lcale. This clarifies my discussion I was having with a friend of mine who said there is never a wait for Bolt in BKK and I said it was well over a 10 minute wait even before the Bolt crackdown. It's because he takes bikes and I will always opt for a car.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2783148]Thanks Lcale. This clarifies my discussion I was having with a friend of mine who said there is never a wait for Bolt in BKK and I said it was well over a 10 minute wait even before the Bolt crackdown. It's because he takes bikes and I will always opt for a car.[/QUOTE]Bikes are always available, cheap, and the wait is short. I won't ever do it. I'm feel I'm too tall and big plus I'm not too keen on pressing my Johnson into another man's backside. You will be waiting for a car in the more touristy areas. I had one bad experience where I waited for the driver for 8 minutes only for him to be on the wrong side of the street. He cancelled and then I had to wait another 8/9 minutes. The rates are so low that I feel bad for the driver and always tip really well. That is a lot of time and traffic to deal with.

When I left Nana plaza, I waitied on the other side of the street, opposite the sandal shop because it's too congested and it seems to be a hangout spot for hags.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2783148]Thanks Lcale. This clarifies my discussion I was having with a friend of mine who said there is never a wait for Bolt in BKK and I said it was well over a 10 minute wait even before the Bolt crackdown. It's because he takes bikes and I will always opt for a car.[/QUOTE]I gave up on Bolt and Grab cars last time there. I was staying right on soi 26 and was just as easy to flag down a cab or if in a hurry just scurry down soi 24 and there are always a bunch of motorbikes for hire. And eye candy on 24 is not always that bad either.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2783063]Yeah, I read enough on here about Taxi's not to go for that. I have been using Bolt exclusively, but the wait is about 10 minutes around Nana Plaza. No problems getting picked up from my condo in Ekkamai.[/QUOTE]At 3 am ish, from the Terminal 21 area, it takes me about 30 minutes to get to my pad up near Bang Pho, cost 279 B plus 50 toll plus 50 B tip. Easy peasy. If I I don't feel like waiting, I just hit up a local member of the cab mafia. On Monday night, took me about 3 minutes to find one 300 B plus toll plus tip.

I don't ride the bikes exccept down back sois. I'm too fat.

So much to see and do ha.

Has anyone spied any slavic talent at Mixx or any other club? If I have to be the pathfinder this weekend I shall (ugg, schlep down on the last train) but hey Sukhumvit gang, where they at?

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2783168]Bikes are always available, cheap, and the wait is short. I won't ever do it. I'm feel I'm too tall and big plus I'm not too keen on pressing my Johnson into another man's backside. You will be waiting for a car in the more touristy areas. I had one bad experience where I waited for the driver for 8 minutes only for him to be on the wrong side of the street. He cancelled and then I had to wait another 8/9 minutes. The rates are so low that I feel bad for the driver and always tip really well. That is a lot of time and traffic to deal with.[/QUOTE]A motorbike taxi is a real e-ticket ride. Do it once when you are SOBER and have your wits about you. You really DO want to follow the driver's lean. And keep the knees in. I did it once on my last visit; it makes you feel glad to (still) be alive.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783294]A motorbike taxi is a real e-ticket ride. Do it once when you are SOBER and have your wits about you. You really DO want to follow the driver's lean. And keep the knees in. I did it once on my last visit; it makes you feel glad to (still) be alive.[/QUOTE]The ones down the Sois are not that bad, I've been using them for years and I am almost 70.

If ones around and I'm gimpy, Ill straight shot one to a station. Just did that this morning.

I'm not riding one long distance, nor in insanely busy areas, even though I have insurance. I never use Grab Bike.

Oh here is your free taxi tip: Position yourself for them in the direction you want to go.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782898]In retrospect, I spent too much time with outcalls, MPs, and Sideline. Gogos are definitely the creme de la creme and I expect the Freelance bars to be similar in quality. Just need to head there and have a backup plan.[/QUOTE]There are many [I]roads[/I] in BKK; some are deadends, some are [I]hills[/I], some lead to mountain [I]tops[/I]. The [I]entertainment[/I] is in the travel.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782898]Kokoro photos DO look much less edited, but no one caught my eye, so I never bothered visiting.[/QUOTE]Understood. Michele's photo at Kokoro [U]I[/U] found [I]compelling[/I], worth a visit, even with the masking. She is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Beautiful face, beautiful body, good (business) service. But her physical presence alone was enough to make the trip worth while (FR posted). Wouldn't be a regular, but every now and again [S]...[/S].

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782898]There were 2 girls whose lady drinks were technically 2 drinks (whiskey / soju and coke). I've now added that to my list of red flags. The first drink is now the cost of business, but the second one HAS to be earned. If I were still in BKK, I might have tried the shaw shaw line. I'm afraid it would sour a lot of potential interactions, as well as earn a few refusals, but without some field testing, I can't be certain. Plus I'm sure a little charm may help it go down more smoothly, so I definitely see it as something worth fine tuning so cut costs and streamline the selection process.[/QUOTE]Stick on his Suzie Wong bar's writeup mentioned the 2 drink [I]MO[/I] at a number of bars, but at least there, it's served in the same glasses that the customers get, not thimbles.

The "shaw shaw", said with a SMILE, when it does sour the interaction, my reaction is a solid "Bye". For me, it's just one of those markers that says I know the score, that her physical presence is not alone sufficient. Many "at bats" in a baseball game, so I'm not concerned with a couple of strike-outs.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782898]This seems like a fair assessment. For the lunch date, it's because the quality of girls working in the afternoon is often disappointing. This way I don't have to compromise on quality if I want some afternoon delight before the nocturnal hunt.[/QUOTE]Everyone has their own set of eyes, but I've found some very fun times in afternoon MP's. Yes, it's only an hour, 90-minutes, but a lot of fun can be had. YMMV.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782908]Private Kaiser on duty! Star of Light is down, I repeat, Star of Light is down! [/QUOTE]Seems that the SOL is [I]SOL[/I]. That is a [B][u]loss[/u][/B].

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782939]Next to me was an older gentlemen who was being thoroughly entertained by 3 of the nude girls. I felt like asking for the one in the center to join me, but she only had eyes for the older man beside me and I didn't have the heart to try and steal another man's target after having had that done to me twice already.[/QUOTE]Not stealing. I don't cut in, but eye contact and a smile at least marks you as an alternate [S]...[/S] and if the deal isn't being signed [S]...[/S] No harm, no foul.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782939]Brought up the bar fine and she hurried off to change as I settled my bill. I paid around 2000 baht for the bar fine, but I don't remember exactly how much the bar fine was. She was only interested in ST, but I couldn't bring up the cost or time before she scurried away. HUGE MISTAKE![/QUOTE]Often repeated here: don't leave the bar without BOTH parties understanding the [I]contract[/I]. I might roll the dice on menu, depending on how [I]compelling[/I] she is, but time and PRICE [S]...[/S] On the other hand, it's a lesson that I've had to relearn when I've grown complacent.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782939]Once we got out she asked me to draw the curtains. How a girl that literally dances buck naked on a stage is embarrassed by not having the curtains drawn on the 23rd floor in the middle of the night is a mystery to me.[/QUOTE]Thailand, in MY experience, is a very conservative society. I always had to silently laugh when a girl who had just been dancing nude on stage, back in the room, out of her solo shower, came out, wrapped in a towel, and jumped under the covers before the towel came off. I once asked and was told, "but on the stage, I was just dancing with my friends. Now I'm alone with you". You'll also notice that the only public displays of affection are from falangs (holding hands or arms around shoulder don't count). On the other hand, I'm enough of a realist that she might not want to be associated with me out in public [S]...[/S].

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782939][B]20 Jan[/B]Plus it looked like Therma was a bit of a walk from either Nana or Asok BTS and my sweat may have made me a less attractive option for the Freelancers, so Thermae was shelved. [/QUOTE]You like the skywalks (e.g. Asoke to Cowboy). At Asoke BTS, just turn around and take the skywalk in the other direction, exiting the BTS turnstyles on the Nana end, but staying on the elevated walk. Usually a breeze, and certainly beats the crowds on the sidewalk below. Walk down to the end (not THAT far), exit to the right towards the Sofitel hotel, but instead of the elevated ramp to the hotel, take the stairs down to the sidewalk, U-turn, and it's 10 M to Thermae. Now your success inside is another matter.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2782963]I couldn't spot Star of Light, but did see the Meet the World sign on the second floor as I was strolling the street below. There were 2 ladies dressed in red sitting outside with the door to the bar closed. Was I about to witness my first debaucherous orgy? No, there was literally no one inside. I asked the mamasan for a Singha ands asked if I would like to buy the ladies a drink. I asked her if anyone else was working, but it was only those 2. Neither were to my taste frankly, but feeling obliged to experience one of the classic punter haunts, I took up mamasan's offer of a 2 lady discount.
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Unfortunately the couch made the cowgirl position less than ideal.
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I just wanted a little anticlimax to a fantastic threesome experience. We conversed a bit with mamasan acting as the translator. 'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' were added to my dictionary. There were quite a few other words I learned, but they have since evaporated from my mind. Aside from 'Pum Pui' which Vivian said pinching her love handles.
[s]...[/s]
It's a shame since this was one of the best experiences I had had and close to the cheapest too.

*[B]Damages[/B] = 6,000 = 1000 + 1000 for the BJ round, 1500 + 1500 for the sex round, 900 for 2 Singha and 4 lady drinks and 100 for Mamasan Translate.[/QUOTE]The bad news? You paid the tourist prices. The good news? You met Meet the World. And your tourist [I]fee[/I] was just a bit more than a SINGLE Nana bar fine. I've said it before, I'll say it again: read here and remember (though trivial details can be easily forgotten). Beer=100, BJ=800, FS=1200 (though that was with condom, but I don't think the lady would have minded if it had been BB as it was myself that had and put on the condom), Lady Drink=150. I knew the prices from my previous visit, and so confirmed before I partook. Granny did try and use the tourist prices on me a week later, I just had her show me the bill, and went through it, line by line (line item veto) and corrected each one. Just something to be aware of. But who's counting when you're talking "one of the best and (relatively) cheapest"?

FYI: there is a mattress on a raised platform in the back, towards the toilet, in an alcove with curtains, BUT the mattress leaves a lot to be desired. Seems like a number of holes in the foam, hopefully not the platform, but overall, the mattress is not that solid. I think next time I'll avail myself of a bench.

Just curious: besides the servers, I know 2 managers. One is a THIN granny who usually sits at a front table just inside the door. There is also a SLIGHTLY less old, more heavy set (not fat, but with some meat) mamasan. I get along well with the heavy set one, and easily tip her. The granny, not so much. Just wondering which you were dealing with (I'd guess NOT the granny, but just curious).

Likewise, while I am VERY familiar (unfortunately) with 'Pum Pui' (the Thais might be conservative in SOME things, but VERY direct in others), what does [I]'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' [/I] mean?

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Finally, I salute you on your complete and entertaining FR's. I understand the TIME and EFFORT they take, and it's been a fun read and a lot of info for the literate members. I always find it interesting to see where others play, though any PIMP experience for me, as the Thais say, "next life". Good luck on your future endeavors.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2783020]I

Billboard was fun to visit and have a drink but the chicas are too thick for me. I could never even find one to buy a drink. Still I stopped in often and enjoyed the party atmosphere.

Butterflies I remember specifically it was 1000 barfine because that's where Mama insisted I pay the girl first and I got my 1000 baht back. This place easily has the best party atmosphere and reminded of a Las Vegas strip club vibe on Friday night.

The most consistent place for hot girls for me was Rainbow 5 and I paid 1000 baht at least a couple times there. That's the only place that was very busy on Thursday night.

walk.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have similar taste as me. Billboard gets tons of hype but I never find my type of girls in there. Spankys and butterflys I'd also put in the category of never delivering for me that many seem to love. Rainbow 4 and 5 seem to have more of the young spinners I like.

Not commenting on what this Q4 2022 lineups are looking like as I haven't hit the plaza in a bit. Going out this week to check the scene.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic555;2783321]Sounds like you have similar taste as me. Billboard gets tons of hype but I never find my type of girls in there. Spankys and butterflys I'd also put in the category of never delivering for me that many seem to love. Rainbow 4 and 5 seem to have more of the young spinners I like.

Not commenting on what this Q4 2022 lineups are looking like as I haven't hit the plaza in a bit. Going out this week to check the scene.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 is going to be my go to gogo for this trip it seems. I was in on Monday and there were loads of my style babes too. Ill hit it again this weekend just to make sure.

I know I keep asking about Mixx but anyone? Its important to me, because if I am going to make a Mixx trip I need to wear long pants instead of my usuall shorts. Serious inconvenience that.

I'll get Day 3 out of the way first since it's not much to write about. Had a decent omelette at Genius Bar. I got it filled with Angus beef. It was supposed to be 150 grams of protein. I doubt it. Seemed smallish. Maybe I'm greedy, but I could have ate two of those. After that, went to Muscle Factory and beat the crap out of my body. Some nice looking ladies there but definitely IG types. Saw a couple dudes kissing on their women in the gym. Sorry sight to behold like they are doing something. Bro, it's just your turn. When you leave she'll be with another. One of the chicks in particular was a serious attention garden tool. I'm sure she is for the taking. Didn't do much after the gym. Ate dinner at I think A la carte close to my condo rental. I eventually just dozed off. Didn't feel like going out.

Breakfast options aren't all that great here. I had to wait until 10 am for El Mariachi to open. I ordered the breakfast burrito with barbacoa. I hope it's good.

Day 2. I walked a lot this day. After eating at Ekkamai food court / kitchen, I walked toward Nana, but decided to go to MBK. Hired a bolt only to realize my phone battery was low and figured I'the be out for awhile. I was in the mood for a good massage. I noticed a couple decent early / mid thirties women sitting outside a shop. I didn't stop on my walk, but when I passed them again, I made a mental note to come back. Got my phone charged up and then walked back to the massage shop. I had intentions on only getting the massage. The name of the shop was Happiness massage.

I assumed it was totally legit and I really just wanted a good professional massage. Massage is started and it pretty good. I'm trying to relax but she kept talking and asking questions. I wanted peace and silence. I wanted to relax, but wasn't happening as I struggled to understand her limited English. On the flip, she is getting very close to the jewels so I figured the sale would soon follow. Naturally I had a reaction and she just went to full stroke. She asked did I like it, I said it's ok but I would want everything. I was quoted 2 k including massage fee. There was miscommunication because she at least pretended that I was down for only HJ. I felt the vibe and sat up. I told her that is too expensive. I'll pay the fee and just leave. She already had roughly 2140 baht. I used $20 USD in addition to all the baht I had on me. Again, wasn't expecting to do anything else. Talking back and forth she said ok, we boom boom but be quiet because the boss in there and we don't have a door just a curtain.

She restarts the frontal massage and goes south after a few minutes. More stroking. Good technique I must admit. I'm like hold up. Don't want to finish that way. She saws ok boom boom. I didn't understand what was going on. She had on jeans, but somehow scooted them down. Started with bb cowgirl. It surprised me and she was soaking wet. Cowgirl skills were not good so switched to doggie with me standing and her bent over the table. Seemed like I could have cip but tossed on her back. I probably would not repeat. It wasn't too expensive, but I would have rather kept my bullets.

Went to Nana and Soi Cowboy later that night. I had dinner at a Jamaican restaurant near Sugar nightclub. The food was ok. I walked to Levels but didn't go in due to the 400 baht cover, so I headed over to Nana. I went to Billboards, but really wasn't impressed. A could lookers, but didn't like the attitudes / chemistry so I bounced after one beer. Got mugged constantly at Soi Cowboy, but didn't enter one establishment. What's the deal with Crazy horse? Didn't look appealing from the outside.

On a good note, lots of FL all around. I saw some that I would do, but didn't feel a push since I popped off earlier. That is probably my choice tonight. May give fiwfans a try. TF and tinder are crap, but I could see how it could work if I actually lived here.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2777947]Then for variety went to Thermae picked a white farang looking Thai, early 20's. Standing next to the cashier table 2. 5 K ST lucked out again with long sessions and CIM. [/QUOTE]I think I was staring at the same lady every day I went cause I wasn't sure if she was white or not LOL. Standing at that same location. Sound like she gave you a good time. When I head back I'll have to check her out if she's still there. Was she open to pics, the few I picked up were not? Figure most of them won't be especially if this is their side gig.

[QUOTE=TravelBless;2776254]Anyone with info on the ST and LT rates in Thermae Cafe and if all girls go with European men.[/QUOTE]One lady I picked up mention ladies will sometimes just give a higher rate instead of saying no for someone they don't really want to go with (europeans). Most quoted 2500-3000 to me, but one quoted 4500, guess she didn't like me LOL. All of them I asked said no LT since they have work in the morning. Except one who used to work at Nuru massage and didn't have a day job at the time, 3 k /6 k. She was the only dark meat I saw on the days I went, standing on the right side of the room. Mentioned everyone tell her they think she's indian LOL. I saw her in some youtube videos I checked out after returning home.

At 9 min mark, great service and pretty good english too. She might charge you higher being European.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwok19fzIgc[/URL]

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]There are many [I]roads[/I] in BKK; some are deadends, some are [I]hills[/I], some lead to mountain [I]tops[/I]. The [I]entertainment[/I] is in the travel.

Understood. Michele's photo at Kokoro [U]I[/U] found [I]compelling[/I], worth a visit, even with the masking. She is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Beautiful face, beautiful body, good (business) service. But her physical presence alone was enough to make the trip worth while (FR posted). Wouldn't be a regular, but every now and again [S]...[/S].

Stick on his Suzie Wong bar's writeup mentioned the 2 drink [I]MO[/I] at a number of bars, but at least there, it's served in the same glasses that the customers get, not thimbles.

The "shaw shaw", said with a SMILE, when it does sour the interaction, my reaction is a solid "Bye". For me, it's just one of those markers that says I know the score, that her physical presence is not alone sufficient. Many "at bats" in a baseball game, so I'm not concerned with a couple of strike-outs.

Everyone has their own set of eyes, but I've found some very fun times in afternoon MP's. Yes, it's only an hour, 90-minutes, but a lot of fun can be had. YMMV.

Seems that the SOL is [I]SOL[/I]. That is a [B][u]loss[/u][/B].

Not stealing. I don't cut in, but eye contact and a smile at least marks you as an alternate [S]...[/S] and if the deal isn't being signed [S]...[/S] No harm, no foul.

Often repeated here: don't leave the bar without BOTH parties understanding the [I]contract[/I]. I might roll the dice on menu, depending on how [I]compelling[/I] she is, but time and PRICE [S]...[/S] On the other hand, it's a lesson that I've had to relearn when I've grown complacent.

Thailand, in MY experience, is a very conservative society. I always had to silently laugh when a girl who had just been dancing nude on stage, back in the room, out of her solo shower, came out, wrapped in a towel, and jumped under the covers before the towel came off. I once asked and was told, "but on the stage, I was just dancing with my friends. Now I'm alone with you". You'll also notice that the only public displays of affection are from falangs (holding hands or arms around shoulder don't count). On the other hand, I'm enough of a realist that she might not want to be associated with me out in public [S]...[/S].

You like the skywalks (e.g. Asoke to Cowboy). At Asoke BTS, just turn around and take the skywalk in the other direction, exiting the BTS turnstyles on the Nana end, but staying on the elevated walk. Usually a breeze, and certainly beats the crowds on the sidewalk below. Walk down to the end (not THAT far), exit to the right towards the Sofitel hotel, but instead of the elevated ramp to the hotel, take the stairs down to the sidewalk, U-turn, and it's 10 M to Thermae. Now your success inside is another matter.

The bad news? You paid the tourist prices. The good news? You met Meet the World. And your tourist [I]fee[/I] was just a bit more than a SINGLE Nana bar fine. I've said it before, I'll say it again: read here and remember (though trivial details can be easily forgotten). Beer=100, BJ=800, FS=1200 (though that was with condom, but I don't think the lady would have minded if it had been BB as it was myself that had and put on the condom), Lady Drink=150. I knew the prices from my previous visit, and so confirmed before I partook. Granny did try and use the tourist prices on me a week later, I just had her show me the bill, and went through it, line by line (line item veto) and corrected each one. Just something to be aware of. But who's counting when you're talking "one of the best and (relatively) cheapest"?

FYI: there is a mattress on a raised platform in the back, towards the toilet, in an alcove with curtains, BUT the mattress leaves a lot to be desired. Seems like a number of holes in the foam, hopefully not the platform, but overall, the mattress is not that solid. I think next time I'll avail myself of a bench.

Just curious: besides the servers, I know 2 managers. One is a THIN granny who usually sits at a front table just inside the door. There is also a SLIGHTLY less old, more heavy set (not fat, but with some meat) mamasan. I get along well with the heavy set one, and easily tip her. The granny, not so much. Just wondering which you were dealing with (I'd guess NOT the granny, but just curious).

Likewise, while I am VERY familiar (unfortunately) with 'Pum Pui' (the Thais might be conservative in SOME things, but VERY direct in others), what does [I]'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' [/I] mean?

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Finally, I salute you on your complete and entertaining FR's. I understand the TIME and EFFORT they take, and it's been a fun read and a lot of info for the literate members. I always find it interesting to see where others play, though any PIMP experience for me, as the Thais say, "next life". Good luck on your future endeavors.[/QUOTE]Some very poor reports about Kokoro.

I did not go there last visit went to pretty. Fantastic service.

After I walked from Kokoro because of shit service.

The girls look nice in the pics but when you walk into the shop the mama is very unfriendly and will only let you look at pics of girls working. I walked and went to pretty.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]Not stealing. I don't cut in, but eye contact and a smile at least marks you as an alternate [S]...[/S] and if the deal isn't being signed [S]...[/S] No harm, no foul.[/QUOTE]Definitely keeping that in mind!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]Often repeated here: don't leave the bar without BOTH parties understanding the [I]contract[/I]. I might roll the dice on menu, depending on how [I]compelling[/I] she is, but time and PRICE [S]...[/S] On the other hand, it's a lesson that I've had to relearn when I've grown complacent.[/QUOTE]I definitely learned this the hard way.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]You like the skywalks (e.g. Asoke to Cowboy). At Asoke BTS, just turn around and take the skywalk in the other direction, exiting the BTS turnstyles on the Nana end, but staying on the elevated walk. Usually a breeze, and certainly beats the crowds on the sidewalk below. Walk down to the end (not THAT far), exit to the right towards the Sofitel hotel, but instead of the elevated ramp to the hotel, take the stairs down to the sidewalk, U-turn, and it's 10 M to Thermae. Now your success inside is another matter.[/QUOTE]Saving this for the next time I'm in town, thanks!

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]The bad news? You paid the tourist prices. The good news? You met Meet the World. And your tourist [I]fee[/I] was just a bit more than a SINGLE Nana bar fine. But who's counting when you're talking "one of the best and (relatively) cheapest"?[/QUOTE]Honestly, I wasn't expecting the action to kick off so fast, so I just went with the flow. Ultimately, even at the tourist prices, it's a pretty sweet deal, so I'm still satisfied with the experience over all.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]FYI: there is a mattress on a raised platform in the back, towards the toilet, in an alcove with curtains, BUT the mattress leaves a lot to be desired. Seems like a number of holes in the foam, hopefully not the platform, but overall, the mattress is not that solid. I think next time I'll avail myself of a bench.[/QUOTE]Well, it only makes a difference in cowgirl position. Reverse cowgirl should still work fine on a couch depending on the skill of the ladies', but I'm a sucker for doggy, so it works. Plus the fact that the front door is right there and could open at any time is fun for me. I've always been a fan of sneaky sex, even though this wasn't on the same level as going at it in a bathroom, changing room, or by the side of the road.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]Just curious: besides the servers, I know 2 managers. One is a THIN granny who usually sits at a front table just inside the door. There is also a SLIGHTLY less old, more heavy set (not fat, but with some meat) mamasan. I get along well with the heavy set one, and easily tip her. The granny, not so much. Just wondering which you were dealing with (I'd guess NOT the granny, but just curious).[/QUOTE]Pretty sure it would be the granny since she was quite gaunt, but maybe the plump one just went on a crash diet. Hard to say, but this one wore glasses, if that narrows it down.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]what does [I]'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' [/I] mean?[/QUOTE]Both mean 'good'. Handsome, Strong, I'm scared, sleeping were among some of the other words and phrases that I instantly forgot.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783313]Good luck on your future endeavors.[/QUOTE]Thank You! Good luck with whatever you've got going on too!

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2783559]Day 2. I walked a lot this day. After eating at Ekkamai food court / kitchen, I walked toward Nana, but decided to go to MBK. Hired a bolt only to realize my phone battery was low and figured I'the be out for awhile. I was in the mood for a good massage. I noticed a couple decent early / mid thirties women sitting outside a shop. I didn't stop on my walk, but when I passed them again, I made a mental note to come back. Got my phone charged up and then walked back to the massage shop. I had intentions on only getting the massage. The name of the shop was Happiness massage.[/QUOTE]For MBK from that area (Ekkamai), I just take the BTS. However, after 3 years, I'd forgotten, and got off at Siam, looking for MBK. Luckily, I remembered it was a change before exiting, so just walked down and caught the BTS to National Stadium. Unfortunately, Dunkin' Donuts no longer sells the Bavarian chocolate, the cream filled chocolate topped donuts. Not a complete loss, walked back out and jumped back on the BTS to Patpong to do my own [I]cream filling[/I].

Curious, which Soi was Happiness on? Soi 23? For a good, legit massage in the Ekkamai area, try Soi 55's Yama Herbal Massage, less than a 100 M from Thong Lo BTS station, left hand side as you're walking away from Sukhumvit. Extras were offered, but I just went for the massage. 700 baht for 90 minutes. Search to find FR's.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783294]A motorbike taxi is a real e-ticket ride. Do it once when you are SOBER and have your wits about you. Makes you feel glad to (still) be alive.[/QUOTE]LOL! I realize this is the Bangkok forum, but since we're talking about motorcycle taxis. . . .

In Pattaya a few years ago on New Year's Eve I hired a motorcycle taxi to take me from the west end of Soi 6 to Walking Street. It was a few minutes before midnight and Beach Road was jammed. The driver made a show of checking out the traffic, then turned back to me for 30 seconds of amiable negotiation over the fare. Can't recall the exact amount, but his holiday surge price was reasonable under the circumstances.

The ride south on Beach Road was surreal. My driver skillfully zoomed between the lanes of traffic, clearing the massive tour buses by inches. About halfway to Walking Street the clock struck midnight and the fireworks started. The next few minutes were like something out of a video game. As you guys know well, the opportunities to be a naughty boy can be reduced during the holidays, especially on New Year's Eve, when so many people in the "industry" are otherwise occupied. So for me, the ride turned out to be the highlight of my evening.

Short little report from a admittedly green and undoubtedly dumb newbie here in BKK. Staying at JW Marriott right near Nana. For the light sleepers out there, it is NOT soundproofed well at all despite stating on the site that it's supposedly soundproofed. Really pissed me off because getting some sleep here even with earplugs has been quite a challenge. Everything else about the hotel, as you'd expect from a Marriott, is top-notch.

Anyway, onto the shit that people will actually care about. I'm a Thai American and have a lovely Thai girlfriend back home, so I wanted to try something else here in BKK. I like curvy women and opted to try out an African broad. Have seen that their reputation is far from stellar on these forums.

Trust the reports, fellas.

I got an African broad off of Soi 4 and it went pretty much par for the course. Told her 2000ST for basically an extended blowjob session no cover. She agreed and came over. I locked all my things in my safe prior to her arrival. When she got here, she asked if she needed to even undress because it was just a blowjob. Told her yes, dear, you should take off your top at the very least.

Onto my dick she went. Initially a decent blowjob with her trying to go deepthroat and kiss my balls. I'm not a huge guy, maybe even below average, but she was making a show about how deepthroat was not something she'd be doing for any extended amount of time. After blowing me for less than 10 minutes, she stops and says something to the tune of "huh, not done yet?

Said nope, and she tried to gave a halfhearted handjob. Started getting soft and was, quite frankly, getting a bit pissed about the whole experience so far. I told her I'd like her to continue her mouth work. She said nah.

OK.

At this point, I just said fuck it and just jerked off. Told her to open her mouth when I was about to finish, and she endearingly asked "you want to come in my mouth? Laughed, and then declined the thoughtful gesture. Came on her ass instead and she responded with a groan. Paid her the 2000 and she was off into the night again.

With my grand sample size of 1, I have to say the field reports on African ladies here in BKK are all accurate. Again, I'm an idiot and am very green, so keep that in mind if you've read this far. Probably will try to find a curvy Thai lady and hope things go better.

*If anyone has experience with submissive escorts, any race, in BKK, I'd love to learn more. Thinking about checking out Demonia and facefucking a submissive, so might post about that experience later.

Signing off, gents.

Just woke up at a Bangkok airport Hotel after sleeping off some of a terrible jet lag. Heading to town. I need to see girls. Naked girls with nice tits dancing and flirting. As far as I ve understood three places are Baccara, Crazy House and Geisha (Nana). Any other suggestions to see naked girls, sip a beer and go for it?

[QUOTE=BHawk;2783793]Just woke up at a Bangkok airport Hotel after sleeping off some of a terrible jet lag. Heading to town. I need to see girls. Naked girls with nice tits dancing and flirting. As far as I ve understood three places are Baccara, Crazy House and Geisha (Nana). Any other suggestions to see naked girls, sip a beer and go for it?[/QUOTE]I was only there for a day maybe it was too early but Baccara didn't get nude. Crazy house full nudity there. No one had any panties on, maybe jsut a skirt with like atleast half just nothing on.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2783794]I was only there for a day maybe it was too early but Baccara didn't get nude. Crazy house full nudity there. No one had any panties on, maybe jsut a skirt with like atleast half just nothing on.[/QUOTE]There's no nudity on the main floor at Baccara. You need to go upstairs for full nudity. If you look up through the glass floors from the main floor you can see the dancer's pussies who are nude upstairs.

[QUOTE=BHawk;2783793]Just woke up at a Bangkok airport Hotel after sleeping off some of a terrible jet lag. Heading to town. I need to see girls. Naked girls with nice tits dancing and flirting. As far as I ve understood three places are Baccara, Crazy House and Geisha (Nana). Any other suggestions to see naked girls, sip a beer and go for it?[/QUOTE]Baccara isn't full nude, only Topless. Dollhouse has fully nude girls on stage though.

To the Thai American fellow below and anyone else considering the African street girls patrolling Suk and elsewhere, I would say stay away. In addition to most of them being overweight and dramatically unattractive, they are not known for providing good services and usually their African handlers are not too far off watching the deal go down.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2783810]There's no nudity on the main floor at Baccara. You need to go upstairs for full nudity. If you look up through the glass floors from the main floor you can see the dancer's pussies who are nude upstairs.[/QUOTE]Aww damn, that's why it seemed so empty guess everyone else was upstairs. Guessing the hotties were upstairs too. We left after a drink haha, woops.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2783821]To the Thai American fellow below and anyone else considering the African street girls patrolling Suk and elsewhere, I would say stay away. In addition to most of them being overweight and dramatically unattractive, they are not known for providing good services and usually their African handlers are not too far off watching the deal go down.[/QUOTE]I've only been with two walking up and down Sukhumvit over the years as the vast majority of them are ugly but those two provided good service.

After my experience at 7-heaven, I was reluctant in trying anything else for a while, but decided to try doki doki on one of my nightly strolls. My goal was to go to paradise massage but once I got there and saw all the bright light and other massage ladies trying to get your attention, I chickened out and went to doki doki instead. Its a much more quiet area. Arriving late into the evening there was only 3 masseuse available which doesn't surprise me much as they are always busy. This is my first line up and was kind of relieved there wasn't 10-20 girls looking at me while I was choosing. Only one really caught my eyes, I don't even know if the other girls were good looking because she grabbed all of my attention. Mia had a club like dress and was just stunning. The tinniest thing at barely 5 feet was still decently shaped despite how thin she was. Started with a standard shower on the mat and she offered me mouthwash. That body to body wash was heavenly so much so that I thought I was going to pop prematurely but held strong. I know a lot of people in this forum aren't big fans of nuru massage but as a first time user I loved it. She had great oral skills and that body in cowgirl was amazing. I know we have the option to fuck on the bed instead of the nuru mattress but she didn't offer and I really wanted to try it out on the slippery mattress. Damn is it hard to fuck on there but very fun. My muscles ached from trying to stabilize myself on there so if you want a more relaxing fuck go on the bed. Overall amazing experience but not too GFE so ID give the experience a 9/10. From other reviews, it seems like I didn't get the full package with DFK and rimming but I was plenty satisfied. I would definitely go back and get Mia again unless anyone has recommendations? Top performers seem to get booked up really quick but I'm not sure how to research who's a top performer since all the information seems to be years old.

The next day I was still high on my experience that I decided to try out TSG sideline. It took me a while to really get how the sideline (fiwfans) sites worked since they seem to cater more to locals. I was doubtful they would serve foreigners but looks like most do. Setting up an appointment is very easy. You just DM individual girls and ask if they are available at specific times. So the way I understood it, if you see the girl on the fiwfans website it means she's available today. I decided to go with Grape and setup an appointment in the early afternoon. I saw the location was about 45 min walk from where I was and decided fuck it ill just walk it. I couldn't have made a worst decision as I arrived drenched in sweat and very likely turned her off a bit. The photos were definitely altered cause she looked different but she was still decent looking as a girl next door. In terms of service the sex was fine but she got tired really quick and was annoyed I wasn't cumming fast enough. This is a thing I noticed with all providers, they just want an easy fuck but that's just not me. For the first time I ended up not popping and its not for a lack of trying. Nothing to do with the sex itself as she was still pretty hot but the mix of the apartment being hot, my walking and the great experience I had the day previous so lessons learned: don't exert yourself too much. Overall the experience was a 6. 5/10 because her attitude really wasn't great. Not sure if it was because I wasn't a local or she was just exhausted. I think TSG sideline is still great value even if you get some bad experiences because of how cheap it is I can still have 3 fucks over 1 doki doki massage. But if you want an almost sure thing Doki Doki seems to be the way to go.

[QUOTE=Tlito;2783569]Some very poor reports about Kokoro.
I did not go there last visit went to pretty. Fantastic service.
After I walked from Kokoro because of shit service.
The girls look nice in the pics but when you walk into the shop the mama is very unfriendly and will only let you look at pics of girls working. I walked and went to pretty.[/QUOTE]Certainly I prefer a live lineup. But for Kokoro (and Don Quixote) I understand management's point of view. Those 2, IMHO, are [I]assembly line[/I] shops, you know, think meat packers, where the mamasan's job is to get those slabs of beef (aka customers) on the hook and into the [I]processing[/I] areas of the line. While [I]slower[/I] shops might have the girls sitting outside (Soi 23, Soi 22, Soi 24) or make a lineup available with an intermittent flow of customers, MY experience, those 2 shops have a CONSTANT flow. In Kokoro, there were at least 3 other Asians (Koreans?) waiting. Too time consuming and tiring for the girls to be having CONTINUOUS lineups. Thus tablet selection. Like I say, I don't like it, but I understand it.

For ME, it's not all that important that the MAMASAN is my best friend. I want somebody efficiently taking my order (I hate the chatty Kathy cashiers yakking it up with the customer in front of me while I'm waiting to pay). At Kokoro, I had a booking to ENSURE I had Michelle's experience. I was content to roll the dice based on the website photo (exceedingly rare that I do so), and glad I did. Buzzed in, walked to the desk, had the following pleasant conversation:
[I]Do you have a booking?[/I] Yes. [I]Michelle?[/I] Yes. [I]Please have a seat, she'll be here shortly, and here's a bottle of water.[/I] I have no complaints: the booking, made 1 or 2 days in advance, was honored and completed. Nothing unfriendly about it. And I have no complaints about Michelle's service, and it IS the girl's service I care about.

At Don Quixote's, initial visit, I was the only customer IN the shop (4 waiting outside). Asked to sit, mamasan came over, showed me the laminated price / service card, a tablet for selection, swiping through the prospects, explaining things. My choice, based on an FR here, wasn't available. Took some hoops, and a misunderstanding, but the girl was there the following day. Yes, that time, the mamasan was rather brusque, repeating "pay money now", but it was also a misunderstanding of mine that my choice WAS available. And at that time, there were 5 other customers IN the shop.

For me, both shops provided the girls that I wanted, and I enjoyed both. 'Nuff said.

[QUOTE=The Kaiser;2783587]Pretty sure it would be the granny since she was quite gaunt, but maybe the plump one just went on a crash diet. Hard to say, but this one wore glasses, if that narrows it down.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's the grannie, and she'll try to serve ALL the tourist prices. The other mamasan (hopefully senior), is a lot nicer and I've had some nice conversations with her about previous girls and things in general. Not saying she wouldn't try for the tourist prices too, but all you have to do, as you walk in, say, "Beer still 100 baht" with the reply "OK, for you, yes". Likewise for BJ. I asked and accepted the quoted lady drink price as I didn't remember, and for the FS, when told 1500, I queried the 1500 and it was, "OK, for you, 1200". Minor, just more the principle [s]...[/s]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2783821]To the Thai American fellow below and anyone else considering the African street girls patrolling Suk and elsewhere, I would say stay away. In addition to most of them being overweight and dramatically unattractive, they are not known for providing good services and usually their African handlers are not too far off watching the deal go down.[/QUOTE]Not always. Steer clear of the ones in groups or sitting with older Thai ladies. I picked up a slim African lady last time and had a fantastic night. We went out for a meal and a few drinks and then she came back to my room and loved me long Time. Nice girl, I hope I can find her again next time I am in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783910]Certainly I prefer a live lineup. But for Kokoro (and Don Quixote) I understand management's point of view. Those 2, IMHO, are [I]assembly line[/I] shops, you know, think meat packers, where the mamasan's job is to get those slabs of beef (aka customers) on the hook and into the [I]processing[/I] areas of the line. While [I]slower[/I] shops might have the girls sitting outside (Soi 23, Soi 22, Soi 24) or make a lineup available with an intermittent flow of customers, MY experience, those 2 shops have a CONSTANT flow. In Kokoro, there were at least 3 other Asians (Koreans?) waiting. Too time consuming and tiring for the girls to be having CONTINUOUS lineups. Thus tablet selection. Like I say, I don't like it, but I understand it.

For ME, it's not all that important that the MAMASAN is my best friend. I want somebody efficiently taking my order (I hate the chatty Kathy cashiers yakking it up with the customer in front of me while I'm waiting to pay). At Kokoro, I had a booking to ENSURE I had Michelle's experience. I was content to roll the dice based on the website photo (exceedingly rare that I do so), and glad I did. Buzzed in, walked to the desk, had the following pleasant conversation:
[I]Do you have a booking?[/I] Yes. [I]Michelle?[/I] Yes. [I]Please have a seat, she'll be here shortly, and here's a bottle of water.[/I] I have no complaints: the booking, made 1 or 2 days in advance, was honored and completed. Nothing unfriendly about it. And I have no complaints about Michelle's service, and it IS the girl's service I care about.

At Don Quixote's, initial visit, I was the only customer IN the shop (4 waiting outside). Asked to sit, mamasan came over, showed me the laminated price / service card, a tablet for selection, swiping through the prospects, explaining things. My choice, based on an FR here, wasn't available. Took some hoops, and a misunderstanding, but the girl was there the following day. Yes, that time, the mamasan was rather brusque, repeating "pay money now", but it was also a misunderstanding of mine that my choice WAS available. And at that time, there were 5 other customers IN the shop.

For me, both shops provided the girls that I wanted, and I enjoyed both. 'Nuff said.[/QUOTE]Glad Michelle was ok. Thanks for the update.

That is ok if you book online but if you are a walk in and want to see a girl, like I did it is not acceptable. The majority of punters who read this forum want to be sure they are not wasting their had earned. Too many times I have read about photo shopped girls at Kokoro and other places. When you walk in and the place is empty and you just ask politely to see the ladies and the Mama says no. You just walk like I did. I will never walk in too Kokoro again.

Pretty and Premier 101 both marched their girls out and I picked the hottest from both line ups. I have both these exquisite young hot ladies on line and will see them again. Both of them were under 30 hot and smiled at me in the way a 60: plus man likes to be smiled at. I then had 2 shots and an amazing time with both ladies. This May not happen if you end up with a photo shopped girl who is 20 pounds and years older than her photo. Nuff Said.

I wrote my experience with Sideline couple of days ago. The girl was also on Fiwfans under same agency Tsg sideline I think is called. So, the girl from Sideline was asked me to open on my phone picture when is written "Fiwfans" on blue cackground colour and take picture with me holding phone but my face is hidden. I agreed. And now what I see is picture of us, with FAKE review. I didn't write any rewiev on Fiwfans about her, nor on Sidelane. So guys be careful when read rewievs, take it with big reserve as probably many of them are fake.

Sometimes a man just had a fucked up week and needs a load off. Karma don't care, fuck you. Some Fridays just turn out to be a complete piece of shit. And then there's 20th of January Fridays. Which did look like a complete piece of shit until that BTS ride downtown.

9 pm I find myself stone cold sober on BTS waiting for that voice to first say "Nanaaa" and then the more stern "Asokkk". Get off for a short walk to crazy house side of Cowboy, right to Dollhouse. Upstairs of course, do I look like a tourist that'll gawp at dressed ladies downstairs? Well. There's 4 girls up here and sure they're all in their best birthday suits and smiling. And all that's fine but there's no punters. Meh I miss the crowd so thank you ladies I say as I walk over to Suzy Wong not that far away. Now there's a crowd and a girl here and there with a top off, my Jack&soda quite approves thank you.

Lady just next to the entrance has some moves and looks oh-so-sexy and smiling. Yes you bartender send her a drink. No no I don't want her in my lap, let her dance thank you. Woom woom woom thank you wonderful next bar please. But then. It's fucking Cowboy, I'm not a tourist, Cowboy you're a lovely beast but thank you and fuck you, I move on.

Step step step. Is my phone counting thoes steps? Need to work off that booze sir. Next stop. Thermae. Or I should rather say. Meat market a la Thermae. Which is absolutely overrun with freelancers on both sides, and grabbing that not-so-expensive drink at entrance and making a slow beeline across the bar never felt so full of opporunity. Ladies are smiling, customers are a-plenty even if some are fucking fat, some old, and some trying to stay fit by sipping on their sodas. To each their own I respect all of you gents. And wish ladies all their best after my Bangkok-given Jack&soda.

I don't feel like walking, Grab bike take me to Nana, I need a rush of knowing I could get kneecapped by a random rearview mirror near the end of Soi Arab.

Right on, I know what I want. It's not just working girls you'll find at entrance of Nana Plaza waing to the spirit house next to Kickoff. You'll see this random whiteguy of uncertain age or origin waing as well. Wishing the ladies good business, small dicks and a quick return. For other punters, not for me. I want the one that'll fall in love and do LT if I pay for ST. Here's hoping, and and-th Jack & soda.

Mandarin and Red Dragon have some hotties. But they all just mean business and no smiles so not for me. Too many tops are ON, instead of off, thank you. Right on up to Butterflies in that wonderful red waiting armchair. That'll be jack and soda please yes.

I will never again find that 3 digit lady starting with 4 I had an incredible night with. Might have been a fluke. Those magnificent, freak of nature wonder-boobs might have tried for a few nights, ended up with me in a hotel not far from Cowboy fucking throuhgout the night and decided to call it quits after reception started knocking on the door. Damnit, didn't take so much as a LineID. Because I can always go back to Butterflies, right? Fuck no. But it might be karmic. One to file under memories.

Day after. Back to Butterflies. Finding that wondeful 22 year old dancing her ass off in the topless tub and her older friend who was with that guy living in Vietnam that night we all ended up outside having some food and me paying only barfine and not much else because fucking by end of the night was out of the question due to Mr Jack and his sodas. Yeah I'm weird but also know what I want. And if the lady refuses a modest tip for her time who am I to object to getting a freebie? I'm your humble servant who after that each and every fucking time gets her a drink and drop a 100 into her panties when I see her on stage. And her older tattood friend. Well. Next birthday I'm taking them LT both. That'll be fun once they start going down on each other. And me. Probably in Meet the World just to make things completely depraved. Because the bottom never looked so good if observed through the thick end of a bottle of Jack.

Back to that gonzo night. Land me in familiar Spankies. Now gents (and probably odd lady here). I've been a patron of Spanky's since the dark days of Covid, and way before when I was but a tourist, a simple budding monger see. I've seen Spankies at its good, at it's shitty and at it's boring. I've seen Captain Horndog, I've seen the new young guy trying to not fuck up too badly.

But tonight.

This was something fucking else.

Cookie was there, after breaking up with her ex. The idiot ex, was supposed to be the One. Didn't work out. He doesn't even fucking know she has a uni diploma and can sell ice to an Eskimo just like she sold apartments before deciding dancing and fucking is just more fun, no sir. Cookie can also be amazing company, nevermind taking her ST / LT, just do some drinks.

Ah on amazing. Rujapa if that's her name. The boss of Spankys. The sexiest fucking ever boss in Nana, (co-?)Owning Spankys and Blondie, always ready with a smile and your humble reporter's silent suffering ever since I laid eyes on her. Stickman, you did not pass on my public "love letter to her" - not sure whether to tell you to go fuck yourself or thank you, because it was probably too weird when I wrote that whisky fueled email, not unlike this post.

But tonight. Rujapa took me to the stage, had drinks with me, flashed that incredible smile and along with Cookie made me feel like I'm in 7th heaven while show went on onstage. Some stuff no photo or video can record better then my own memory.

Somewhere between rounds, my eyes fall upon the North Indian couple so enthralled in the Spanky's show that yours truly couldn't resist buying both a drink. Had yours truly continued, the female part of due would have gone to some lenghts to continue what she was starting to display. But that's a story best continued in fantasy. May Karma bless them, grant them some good fucks, good cums and good sexy fucking babies.

Goddamnit Bangkok, I love you. Fuck you, and happy fucking.

Happy in that post-drinking McDonalds, trying to make sure all those Jack&soda's don't completely fuck me up in the morning. Happy on that mototaxi driving home, breathing in the unexpected smell of the sea along Phloenchit, then barbecue along Ratchaprarop and so on. While me and moto driver passed next ot RPrarop soi 18 where party goes on waaaay past 2 am. And nearby Rainbow Pub which plays the absolute best thai folk love songs with drunk or semidrunk thais dancing along.

And all of the above written with a heavy head. Thinking that next time Patpong warrants another visit. Because Tata in Black Pagoda that can massage a dick through pants like no other is waiting, you just never know who might walk into King's castle and if all else fails suffering a bit of urethritis after Meet The World just might be worth the debauchery (and yes. Let your imagination on deparavity run wild, those ladies at MTW can do that and more, blow you fucking mind out of this world and leave you wanting for more). What fucking city. Fuck yeah.

Goddamnit Bangkok, I love you. Thank you, fuck you, and happy fucking. I might not need it as much, but I sure as fuck am not moving anywhere anytime soon.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2783789]Short little report from a admittedly green and undoubtedly dumb newbie here in BKK. Staying at JW Marriott right near Nana. For the light sleepers out there, it is NOT soundproofed well at all despite stating on the site that it's supposedly soundproofed. Really pissed me off because getting some sleep here even with earplugs has been quite a challenge. Everything else about the hotel, as you'd expect from a Marriott, is top-notch.

Anyway, onto the shit that people will actually care about. I'm a Thai American and have a lovely Thai girlfriend back home, so I wanted to try something else here in BKK. I like curvy women and opted to try out an African broad. Have seen that their reputation is far from stellar on these forums.

Trust the reports, fellas.

I got an African broad off of Soi 4 and it went pretty much par for the course. Told her 2000ST for basically an extended blowjob session no cover. She agreed and came over. I locked all my things in my safe prior to her arrival. When she got here, she asked if she needed to even undress because it was just a blowjob. Told her yes, dear, you should take off your top at the very least.

Onto my dick she went. Initially a decent blowjob with her trying to go deepthroat and kiss my balls. I'm not a huge guy, maybe even below average, but she was making a show about how deepthroat was not something she'd be doing for any extended amount of time. After blowing me for less than 10 minutes, she stops and says something to the tune of "huh, not done yet?

Said nope, and she tried to gave a halfhearted handjob. Started getting soft and was, quite frankly, getting a bit pissed about the whole experience so far. I told her I'd like her to continue her mouth work. She said nah.

OK.

At this point, I just said fuck it and just jerked off. Told her to open her mouth when I was about to finish, and she endearingly asked "you want to come in my mouth? Laughed, and then declined the thoughtful gesture. Came on her ass instead and she responded with a groan. Paid her the 2000 and she was off into the night again.

With my grand sample size of 1, I have to say the field reports on African ladies here in BKK are all accurate. Again, I'm an idiot and am very green, so keep that in mind if you've read this far. Probably will try to find a curvy Thai lady and hope things go better.

*If anyone has experience with submissive escorts, any race, in BKK, I'd love to learn more. Thinking about checking out Demonia and facefucking a submissive, so might post about that experience later.

Signing off, gents.[/QUOTE]If all you wanted was a BJ just go to a BJ bar. Less than half of what you paid and always reliable and convenient.

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?
[/QUOTE]Fortunately I'm not black so I won't feel the racists stuff you're probably encountering. Encountered some racism towards whites in Thermae cafe, where they seem to prefer asian customers. They'd refuse white customers or just give them higher prices. I guess middle aged and there for the escorts, massages not really my thing. Yup don't care to put in the effort to get a woman back home so I pay to let loose. Just got back from a few weeks in Pattaya and BKK and had a blast. I feel a lot more workers in Pattaya or at least more concentrated in a small area. Maybe you'll find someone who will treat you better.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.[/QUOTE]The draw? Well, as ia two decades plus resident I'll tell you the city does have a lot of draws. It's incredibly vibrant, has many varied and interesting neighborhoods, more fantastic restaurants and food stalls then you could eat at for the rest of your life, a fairly good public transportation system, an affordable cost of living, and for dudes that live here a very good gal scene. Honestly, I know very few if any long-term residents who fish in the Nana area. About the only time I go there is to eat Arab food on Soi 3/1, and even then the area is a bit hard to take. Oh, it was pretty amazing a quarter of a century ago and the Go-Go's and Street scene along with thermae and Nana disco were absolutely off the charts wonderful. I haven't ventured inside a go-go bar in ages and have no plans to do so. But for the local that speaks a little bit of the language and has the patience for the online scene there are some incredible gems out there for about the same price if not a little bit more than we were paying in 2000.

I can certainly understand why the draw for the p4 p tourist is not so great, but for those that live here, it's pretty incredible.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.[/QUOTE]It has been well discussed that these bar girls lie and play games. You fell for those games and their hustles. Why didn't you ask first before you even bought one drink for her if you can fuck her? Your own ego that these girls are genuinely looking for love? It's their damn job to hustle. Not sure why guys don't get this.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2784102]The draw? Well, as ia two decades plus resident I'll tell you the city does have a lot of draws. It's incredibly vibrant, has many varied and interesting neighborhoods, more fantastic restaurants and food stalls then you could eat at for the rest of your life, a fairly good public transportation system, an affordable cost of living, and for dudes that live here a very good gal scene. Honestly, I know very few if any long-term residents who fish in the Nana area. About the only time I go there is to eat Arab food on Soi 3/1, and even then the area is a bit hard to take. Oh, it was pretty amazing a quarter of a century ago and the Go-Go's and Street scene along with thermae and Nana disco were absolutely off the charts wonderful. I haven't ventured inside a go-go bar in ages and have no plans to do so. But for the local that speaks a little bit of the language and has the patience for the online scene there are some incredible gems out there for about the same price if not a little bit more than we were paying in 2000.

I can certainly understand why the draw for the p4 p tourist is not so great, but for those that live here, it's pretty incredible.[/QUOTE]What he said, except I fish around Nana once in a while (its a schlep from where I am) and I think the transit is superb. Once of the other reasons I come here is not to have to drive endlessly to do anything.

But I'm only a part timer.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2783637]For MBK from that area (Ekkamai), I just take the BTS. However, after 3 years, I'd forgotten, and got off at Siam, looking for MBK. Luckily, I remembered it was a change before exiting, so just walked down and caught the BTS to National Stadium. Unfortunately, Dunkin' Donuts no longer sells the Bavarian chocolate, the cream filled chocolate topped donuts. Not a complete loss, walked back out and jumped back on the BTS to Patpong to do my own [I]cream filling[/I].

Curious, which Soi was Happiness on? Soi 23? For a good, legit massage in the Ekkamai area, try Soi 55's Yama Herbal Massage, less than a 100 M from Thong Lo BTS station, left hand side as you're walking away from Sukhumvit. Extras were offered, but I just went for the massage. 700 baht for 90 minutes. Search to find FR's.[/QUOTE]Siam BTS to MBK is only a football field walk.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2784102]The draw? Well, as ia two decades plus resident I'll tell you the city does have a lot of draws. It's incredibly vibrant, has many varied and interesting neighborhoods, more fantastic restaurants and food stalls then you could eat at for the rest of your life, a fairly good public transportation system, an affordable cost of living, and for dudes that live here a very good gal scene. Honestly, I know very few if any long-term residents who fish in the Nana area. About the only time I go there is to eat Arab food on Soi 3/1, and even then the area is a bit hard to take. Oh, it was pretty amazing a quarter of a century ago and the Go-Go's and Street scene along with thermae and Nana disco were absolutely off the charts wonderful. I haven't ventured inside a go-go bar in ages and have no plans to do so. But for the local that speaks a little bit of the language and has the patience for the online scene there are some incredible gems out there for about the same price if not a little bit more than we were paying in 2000.

I can certainly understand why the draw for the p4 p tourist is not so great, but for those that live here, it's pretty incredible.[/QUOTE]As another long-term resident I can only agree with everything that Goatscrot says here. It tallies perfectly with my experience. In terms of P4P, however, I would still say that there are plenty of options for the visiting tourist; depending on your preferences the proliferation of Massage Parlours for example certainly provides plenty of easily accessible opportunities. The only time I venture downtown is to treat myself to the occasional Nuru Massage. Obviously, the scene cannot compare with how is used to be; but speaking a bit of Thai, and having the time needed to sort the wheat from the chaff does mean that, for me, there is no place I would rather be.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.[/QUOTE]I am an older gentleman, almost 70, medium build and height white guy. Since my approach and goal is to get an upfront agreement for Real Sex / BBFSCIP before I proceed to barfine or take a girl, I am one of those years long expats who chooses to monger with gogo girls and street / club Freelancers and have little use for Massage Shops, so-called PSE Shops, Happy Ending shops, Escorts, Sideliner sites and the like. I want to see, assess and meet my potential session girls in the flesh with as much of their flesh on display as possible, to interact face to face and get an agreement for the above when the male and female chemistry for fucking is at a peak.

I must say the number of ladies in the venues I choose were notably higher as was my success rate in getting that upfront agreement in the years pre Covid than they have been post Covid. There are now fewer girls I want to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with and inferior service from the ones I do approach and take.

So I tend to spend more time and money on the remaining stable of girls I met pre Covid and only occasionally set out to meet new ones.

I would also say your efforts to strike gold on Soi Cowboy is really stretching the challenge to do so to its breaking point. I consider Soi Cowboy to be Scam Central of all the red light districts and venues in Bangkok.

I chuckle when I read FRs extolling the better lookers on Soi Cowboy vs Nana Plaza, Soi 7 or even Patpong. Yeah, 90% of those Soi Cowboy lookers are Lady Drink Only Hustlers, Coyotes with strict instructions by their real employers NOT to go with a customer and to stay right there in or in front of the bar hustling LDs and nothing else until the minivans arrive at closing time or the end of their shift to whisk them away and to a non Real Sex or even barrier sex with farang safety zone.

BTW, the tip off that you are being dragged in or cajoled into a bar by a Lady Drink Only Hustler Coyote is she is wearing pantyhose. Check for that before you even bother with amusing banter about how hansum you are and how hot she is to be with you tonight. The idea being no part of their skin leading up to their vagina is to make direct contact with the skin of your hand or any other part of your body that might transmit pleasure signals to your brain.

And you can always ask, "Are you a Coyote? Do you go with customers?" before you go inside the bar and waste one baht on them. Generally, they will either be truthful about it and say Yes or they will immediately drop their smiles, their sexy demeanor, your hand and step away from you after being busted on their scam.

One other thing about this expat vs tourist thing. It is definitely not a built-in advantage for me as an expat living here to get Real Sex / BBFSCIP with newer girls vs your typical tourist newbie. In fact, it might as likely be a disadvantage.

1. If you exhibit any game and ability to easily bed down many women even for free and that many of them would be inclined to fuck you bareback, each new girl you meet will not only imagine you must be riddled with STDs but that they will be the proud exception and, besides, you can get so many ladies and all of them fucking you bareback, what is one crappy session that goes sour to you? You'll get another in 10 minutes. LOL.

2. As opposed to the newbie tourist who perhaps appears to be unlikely to have gotten laid in his own country for a year or even in Thailand yet, a full court press on the girl's part to rock your world and provide an initial session better than any other girl would means she will actually have to work for the money each and every time. You are not on a limited schedule. You're not going anywhere else. If she expects make a living off your money she will have to fuck and suck a pole many, many times in the future for it.

3. However, if she sets out to rock the world of a newbie tourist, first of all she will feel confident in doing so because her competition, other girls who she believes have given you Real Sex / BBFSCIP, is very limited. And that means you are "safer" in her mind. But most importantly, all she has to do in many cases is rock that dude's world just a few times before he returns to his sexless home country. Whereupon she has probably learned by now that Mr. Lonelyheart will continue to send her money, good money, for several months after the last time his dick came within a thousand miles of her various orifices. Now that is a much better deal for her.

[QUOTE=Tlito;2783913]Glad Michelle was ok. Thanks for the update.

That is ok if you book online but if you are a walk in and want to see a girl, like I did it is not acceptable. The majority of punters who read this forum want to be sure they are not wasting their had earned. Too many times I have read about photo shopped girls at Kokoro and other places. When you walk in and the place is empty and you just ask politely to see the ladies and the Mama says no. You just walk like I did. I will never walk in too Kokoro again.

Pretty and Premier 101 both marched their girls out and I picked the hottest from both line ups. I have both these exquisite young hot ladies on line and will see them again. Both of them were under 30 hot and smiled at me in the way a 60: plus man likes to be smiled at. I then had 2 shots and an amazing time with both ladies. This May not happen if you end up with a photo shopped girl who is 20 pounds and years older than her photo. Nuff Said.[/QUOTE]I agree, as I said, I prefer a live lineup. It's a RARE occurrence that I pick from a photo, BUT sometimes, inquiring minds want to know, and worth the price to me to find out. In fact, Kokoro and Don Quixote are the FIRST experiences with a tablet. And both of those were off my radar until [B]Newton York[/B]'s excellent set of FR's. But my life is too short to be upset with a shop's policy; their shop, their rules. Obviously works for both of them. Like you, if I didn't care to take the gamble, I'd walk. And the main reason I posted my FR about Kokoro, that at least one girl's photo reasonably matched the girl (in person, actual face and body, she was better live). How the others match, have no idea, but wouldn't hesitate to try again.

But thanks for the Pretty and Premier 101 recommendations. Will keep them I mind. (Trink fan?)

[QUOTE=Pgaka;2783923] And now what I see is picture of us, with FAKE review. I didn't write any rewiev on Fiwfans about her, nor on Sidelane. So guys be careful when read rewievs, take it with big reserve as probably many of them are fake.[/QUOTE]I was wondering about those photos and reviews. If the photo is unedited, that's still pretty good information imo. I assumed most were written with the lady in the room and people didn't want to be rude. I wish the girls didn't block out their faces though, since that's usually more important to me personally.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2784027]Get off for a short walk to crazy house side of Cowboy, right to Dollhouse. Upstairs of course, do I look like a tourist that'll gawp at dressed ladies downstairs? Well. There's 4 girls up here and sure they're all in their best birthday suits and smiling.[/QUOTE]I was there on the same night and downstairs had about 6 fully nude girls, maybe an equal amount of clothed girls and good handful of punters.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2784027]decided to call it quits after reception started knocking on the door.[/QUOTE]Maybe they just wanted to join in.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2784027]Fuck you, and happy fucking.

fuck you, and happy fucking[/QUOTE]My catchphrase is catching on!

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]
Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.[/QUOTE]Yeah, when they order 2 drinks at once, it's a red flag for me. Instant refusal is better than wasting time and money. Also I made it a point to ask the mamasan, "Bar Fine, Ok?" each time I asked for a girl or when I called over a girl directly and she asked me to buy her a drink. I still remember the blue contact lenses of that cute Coyote from King's Castle who taught me this lesson.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out.[/QUOTE]I had this happen to me a bunch as well. It was usually as we were getting dressed or in that post-coital glow. I had assumed it was just filler pillow talk, but maybe it's a way to leave an impression for potential future sales.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out.[/QUOTE]I can definitely relate, but there's a good few details in this one too, so it makes for a nice read. Also it's nice to know I'm not the only one who views Cowboy in this light.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.[/QUOTE]I DO NOT have the patience for online dating sadly. Too much time and effort before any in person interaction for my liking.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2784095]Fortunately I'm not black[/QUOTE]This sounds like a great punchline, but I'm having trouble with the set up.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me....

...[/QUOTE]Join the club. I am not black, more like off white. Bangkok never worked for me. It didn't before Covid and it doesn't now. I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.

I spend all my mongering time in Pattaya. I would leave Thailand asap if I had to live in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.[/QUOTE]By Cracky, you young whippersnapper, I ought to get out my walker, stand up, and shake my fist at you, but my oxygen tank is getting a bit low, so can't afford the exertion.

Seriously, you sound mad about being played, and, with all due respect, you were played. You said it yourself. Likewise, with due respect, with 15 years and 5 continents experience, you don't know to ask the price FIRST, check the bill at least the first time it comes to see what you're being charged, and check barfine possibility before getting seriously involved with lady drinks? OK, it's not that I'm so smart, not chastising you, those things are just things I have to remind myself to do. I've been played for sure. And [B]I've[/B] certainly fallen into that complacent trap; why FR's like yours try and remind me to be careful. Very few advantages of getting old, but gaining experience is one. Reading the last 10 pages here, [B]The Kaiser[/B] comes to mind, you're not the first to be snagged, and there's warnings for all. (Isn't [I]that[/I] side of Cowboy the [I]Arab's[/I] side?) If you understand a bit about Thai culture, smiles are de rigueur, real preferred, but fake acceptable. Been reported here and by Stick that a number of bars define a lady drink as "alcohol AND mixer", 2 drinks.

I like it because most every girl I meet calls me a "hansum man", and I just know they're telling the truth, but for some strange reason, none can look me in the eyes when saying it. Strange, must be a Thai custom. I've never been a resident here, but 30 years visiting, BKK does feel [I]familiar[/I]. I still know how to get around, the public transportation system has grown amazingly, and I find the changes (mostly) interesting. The city is alive, the food is fantastic (though I can't see coming to Thailand and NOT always eating Thai food). And look at it this way, you made some lady happy, so why so selfish? Sanuk. Some things I don't like: Dunkin Donuts no longer sells the chocolate Bavarian, SOL seems to have closed, Bier Garden is a shell of itself, and Viva 26 bar at Chatachak is GONE. And these days, I think if you come here SOLELY for the gogo scene, you will be disappointed, especially if you're familiar with, as [B]Goatscot[/B] says, 25 years ago. As the Thais say, "same, same, but different". Plenty of things to see up-country, history, temples, and all. BKK is a good jumping off point for other countries, though Myanmar seems to me no-go right now. But Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia, VietNam (still have to check out the 'Nastyland one of my trips).

My solution: go get a salt tapping at Sakura Akasuri up on Soi 55, step over to Foodland's Took Lae Dee restaurant a couple blocks further down, sit at the counter, have a decent Thai meal and watch the chefs working, then walk a couple more blocks down to &Ampersand on the corner of 55 and soi 13, for some FANTASTIC gelato (OK, so much for my ONLY Thai food, I'm NOT a fanatic). Hey, it's ice cream, who doesn't like ice cream?

I spent a month there and had a great time. Well mostly; at least you haven't caught Covid [S]...[/S].

How many times going back at least a decade have warned people about Soi Cowboy's notorious rip off "Arab's" Go Go's and still punters fall for the come on pretty girls beckoning outside. I remember Pre-Covid a few idiots even argued that they liked the "Arab"s no barfine Go Go's because the girls were pretty and they enjoyed talking to them. What the fuck! But hey, there are all kinds of people out there. So, this is BKK. You ain't in Kansas, Dorothy. There is no better business bureau to complain to. Let the buyer beware and if you are not aware tough luck.

And yet it is worth mentioning that there are still a few BKK Go Go's worth going to even though their post-Covid prices seem to have hit the stratosphere. Maybe more people will read the negative reports, realize that a short visit can be fairly expensive, and fewer of them will come. Ha Ha. That is the hope anyway, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it. With the legalization or decriminalization of weed or whatever you want to call it, I think more people not less are going to visit over the next decade. Oh well. BKK had a good run. I am glad I first came here in'89 even though things then were not as good as they were in the '60's.

Made an appointment with Mia at doki doki again for 90 minutes. She looks great as always but she really isn't GFE. I thought I could get through to her this session but no. Always closes her eyes or looks away and DFK is not on on the table. She is shy which made for a more boring session. I also realised that longer sessions are not worth it for me because like they say: "you take too long" so I always ended doing only 1 shot. For the extra 30 minutes, I basically paid for a mediocre thai massage which to be fair was more relaxing than any real thai massage. I really want to try Doki Doki one more time before I leave but most reviews are old or from girls that currently aren't on the line ups. I have my eyes on Champagne or rose but if anyone knows one that is a good GFE and does DFK that would be great.

[QUOTE=XXL;2784221]I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.[/QUOTE]I believe you're referring to fiwfans ( Does fiw mean something in thai, any one know what that translate too?) I tried a few ladies there and big thing is they're always P.S. To be lighter skin on the images and yea the face is usually fixed up a bit too. Noticed the ones in agencies tend to give better service at least in my experience (tried like 6 ladies). The agencies do just put up a generic ad for all their ladies so everything listed is not always going to be on the menu. You can probably try go to the familiar location (family themed hotel in khlong toei LOL) where a lot of ladies are and confirm the menu before you pay and just walk out and ask booker for another lady.

Yea I heard reviews can be fake too but I wrote a real one here with an unedited photo of what her body looks like. Found that ones that allow pictures are also more experienced and would have better chance of giving you a good time.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/profile/406raeh0yld26a48i[/URL]

Namphon was my fav from that agency and would repeat when I'm back. She's gotten pretty popular hence the higher rate. Will need to get a pic next time I visit her.

[URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rae6djlae7vdx5[/URL]

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.[/QUOTE]For me, I've found that I don't much enjoy the monger experience in Bangkok and basically only do the touristy stuff there. Mongering in Bangkok is extremely overpriced, Pattaya is much better bang for your buck. Last summer I started in Bangkok and had been chatting off TF with a girl and we met for ST and immediately the upselling began, not to mention she had been using extreme filters and so looked nothing like her pics. That left a bad taste in my mouth regarding Bangkok. For me, everything is just much more straight forward and to the point in Pattaya.

As you said, a lot of con people in Bangkok. You have to remember as a foreigner in Thailand you are just a walking dollar sign to everyone. Just be chill about it and enjoy your time there but don't expect meeting genuine people.

We've all had the horrible travel experiences, specifically with working girls. You can't let it ruin your trip, brush it off and move on to the next.

[QUOTE=XXL;2784221]Join the club. I am not black, more like off white. Bangkok never worked for me. It didn't before Covid and it doesn't now. I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.

I spend all my mongering time in Pattaya. I would leave Thailand asap if I had to live in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I'm in your boat as well. Not black but brown. Just never had success in BKK trying to date or do hookups. So Pattaya has always suited me better. Plus I like being near the water.

I'm passing through the area and have spent a couple of days here. I visited a couple of times pre-COVID and it's nice being back.

Nana Plaza's okay. I stuck my head into Billboards, Butterflies. Cowboy 5 & 6. I forget which one had the tub with topless women to one side (Butterfiles? I had a drink there but I ended up leaving not too long after. Another spot (Billboards with the caurosel?) had a guy that was doing the "tossing 20 baht notes in the air" deal. It was semi-amusing to watch but I left after four or five tosses.

I also visited Crazy House more than I should. Upstairs was always dead. I overhead another group describe it perfectly as "ratchet". It's smokey and the women aren't the best looking, a mix of bad silicone and only a couple of lookers. But the full nudity makes up for it. The women and mamasans (and one papasan) aren't too pushy, which is nice. I just got drinks and didn't really see too much that interested me. Actually there was one that I wanted and offered a LD drink to but for some reason she went to another guy that must have called her when she was dancing. No biggie. They definitely do the two lady drinks every time here.

I stuck my head in most of the other bars in Soi Cowboy too. Wow, a lot of them are really, really dead. Some are still quite aggressive about pulling you in. I really only enjoyed Baccara, upstairs of course. They rotate through a group of topless and not topless. For an idea of a tab, my juice and two separate lady drinks ended up being 650 baht or so. I'm going to make a broad generalization and say the only ones going to here are ones that aren't trying that hard to draw in the masses. You don't need coyotes if the talent's inside.

I also swung through Thermae. It's very much hit or miss. I'd say 10-20% of them are wearing masks right now, but they'll lower them upon request. The standard seems to have risen to 3 k baht for ST, though 2. 5 k is also out there. I think earlier in the night is really the best bet for selection.

Finally, I made a pass up Soi 3 looking for the Russians that used to be out that way. I didn't see anything at the Grace Hotel or Royal Garden. I guess they got raided and never reopened. The halal spot I like is still there so it wasn't a total loss.

The exchange rate right now is actually very, very close to what it was when I last visited. I feel that inflation has hit slightly with food costs and everything else. Not a ton, but enough that when I was here last time it felt like everything was really inexpensive and now it feels like it's not too bad.

I'm off to Pattaya in the morning, which I only visited once pre-COVID. I hear things have shifted a bit so I might bounce around hotels.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2784285]I believe you're referring to fiwfans ( Does fiw mean something in thai, any one know what that translate too?)[/QUOTE]"Fiw" means "to feel", it's not a Thai word but when Thais say the word "feel" (in English) it sounds like "fiw".

"Fan" is for girlfriend, so "FiwFan " means "GFE" or "feeling like a girlfriend".

[QUOTE=L00PY;2784313]
Nana Plaza's okay. I stuck my head into Billboards, Butterflies. Cowboy 5 & 6. I forget which one had the tub with topless women to one side (Butterfiles? I had a drink there but I ended up leaving not too long after. Another spot (Billboards with the caurosel?) had a guy that was doing the "tossing 20 baht notes in the air" deal. It was semi-amusing to watch but I left after four or five tosses.
[/QUOTE]I thought it was a crime to throw money on the ground because of the risk of stepping on the king's face?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2784141]I am an older gentleman, almost 70, medium build and height white guy. Since my approach and goal is to get an upfront agreement for Real Sex / BBFSCIP before I proceed to barfine or take a girl, I am one of those years long expats who chooses to monger with gogo girls and street / club Freelancers and have little use for Massage Shops, so-called PSE Shops, Happy Ending shops, Escorts, Sideliner sites and the like. I want to see, assess and meet my potential session girls in the flesh with as much of their flesh on display as possible, to interact face to face and get an agreement for the above when the male and female chemistry for fucking is at a peak.

I must say the number of ladies in the venues I choose were notably higher as was my success rate in getting that upfront agreement in the years pre Covid than they have been post Covid. There are now fewer girls I want to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with and inferior service from the ones I do approach and take.

So I tend to spend more time and money on the remaining stable of girls I met pre Covid and only occasionally set out to meet new ones.

I would also say your efforts to strike gold on Soi Cowboy is really stretching the challenge to do so to its breaking point. I consider Soi Cowboy to be Scam Central of all the red light districts and venues in Bangkok.

I chuckle when I read FRs extolling the better lookers on Soi Cowboy vs Nana Plaza, Soi 7 or even Patpong. Yeah, 90% of those Soi Cowboy lookers are Lady Drink Only Hustlers, Coyotes with strict instructions by their real employers NOT to go with a customer and to stay right there in or in front of the bar hustling LDs and nothing else until the minivans arrive at closing time or the end of their shift to whisk them away and to a non Real Sex or even barrier sex with farang safety zone.

BTW, the tip off that you are being dragged in or cajoled into a bar by a Lady Drink Only Hustler Coyote is she is wearing pantyhose. Check for that before you even bother with amusing banter about how hansum you are and how hot she is to be with you tonight. The idea being no part of their skin leading up to their vagina is to make direct contact with the skin of your hand or any other part of your body that might transmit pleasure signals to your brain.

And you can always ask, "Are you a Coyote? Do you go with customers?" before you go inside the bar and waste one baht on them. Generally, they will either be truthful about it and say Yes or they will immediately drop their smiles, their sexy demeanor, your hand and step away from you after being busted on their scam.

One other thing about this expat vs tourist thing. It is definitely not a built-in advantage for me as an expat living here to get Real Sex / BBFSCIP with newer girls vs your typical tourist newbie. In fact, it might as likely be a disadvantage.

1. If you exhibit any game and ability to easily bed down many women even for free and that many of them would be inclined to fuck you bareback, each new girl you meet will not only imagine you must be riddled with STDs but that they will be the proud exception and, besides, you can get so many ladies and all of them fucking you bareback, what is one crappy session that goes sour to you? You'll get another in 10 minutes. LOL.

2. As opposed to the newbie tourist who perhaps appears to be unlikely to have gotten laid in his own country for a year or even in Thailand yet, a full court press on the girl's part to rock your world and provide an initial session better than any other girl would means she will actually have to work for the money each and every time. You are not on a limited schedule. You're not going anywhere else. If she expects make a living off your money she will have to fuck and suck a pole many, many times in the future for it.

3. However, if she sets out to rock the world of a newbie tourist, first of all she will feel confident in doing so because her competition, other girls who she believes have given you Real Sex / BBFSCIP, is very limited. And that means you are "safer" in her mind. But most importantly, all she has to do in many cases is rock that dude's world just a few times before he returns to his sexless home country. Whereupon she has probably learned by now that Mr. Lonelyheart will continue to send her money, good money, for several months after the last time his dick came within a thousand miles of her various orifices. Now that is a much better deal for her.[/QUOTE]If it's diffcicult for you to get bareback in Bangkok, you should go Pattaya! All girls do BBFS.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2784119]Siam BTS to MBK is only a football field walk.[/QUOTE]Understood. But in the heat and humidity, I pick my battles.

Asoke to Soi 23: worth it.
MRT Silom to Patpong 2: worth it.
Thong Lo soi 6 (Sakura) to soi 8 (Foodland) to soi 13 (Ampersand): worth it.
Siam to MBK: meh.

[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2784219]I had this happen to me a bunch as well. It was usually as we were getting dressed or in that post-coital glow. I had assumed it was just filler pillow talk, but maybe it's a way to leave an impression for potential future sales.[/QUOTE]Bingo.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2784376]Understood. But in the heat and humidity, I pick my battles.

Asoke to Soi 23: worth it.
MRT Silom to Patpong 2: worth it.
Thong Lo soi 6 (Sakura) to soi 8 (Foodland) to soi 13 (Ampersand): worth it.
Siam to MBK: meh.

Bingo.[/QUOTE]Geez, don't strain yourself.

Its not that hot. Now the PM25 on the other hand.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2784210]I agree, as I said, I prefer a live lineup. It's a RARE occurrence that I pick from a photo, BUT sometimes, inquiring minds want to know, and worth the price to me to find out. In fact, Kokoro and Don Quixote are the FIRST experiences with a tablet. And both of those were off my radar until [B]Newton York[/B]'s excellent set of FR's. But my life is too short to be upset with a shop's policy; their shop, their rules. Obviously works for both of them. Like you, if I didn't care to take the gamble, I'd walk. And the main reason I posted my FR about Kokoro, that at least one girl's photo reasonably matched the girl (in person, actual face and body, she was better live). How the others match, have no idea, but wouldn't hesitate to try again.

But thanks for the Pretty and Premier 101 recommendations. Will keep them I mind. (Trink fan?)[/QUOTE]Cheers thanks again.

I have never heard the expression Trink before.

Do you mind explaining it to me. Not having a shot at all. Just never heard it.

Thanks and good punting always.

Have been watching a lot of thai porn. Esp tuktukpatrol. I'm curious if anyone has hooked up with manee (bitchy808 on OF). Her OF looks tempting as she offers dm for other requests but at 50 per month not realistic. The other one is ployly on OF but she's in pattaya. Another one is partythai who is fairly wild too.

Any intel appreciated.

Been here 24 hours. Last night did rounds at Thermae and Soi Cowboy. Thermae saw only 3 that I would bang, but none I would pay the asking price of 2500 plus room, out of the couple of hundred or so in the bar. So many of the girls were staring, smiling, and grabbing me was I walked by. Guess they were new or haven't seen me awhile. Sorry, I am much pickier now. If you were there, you know which guy was me. Saw a bunch of dudes looking too. Not sure why. Onwards to Soi Cowboy. Man from Iran bars still scamming again. Baccara was dead awful, bottom floor being worse. 190 baht for a Coke, really? The girls PRE-COVID were way much better looking and thinner. Few from that group were even there, and the ones that were, gained weight. Waitresses joke with me about the girls and they know I am not a tourist anymore. "You same Thai," they said. "You know everything!" They asked about Pattaya. I said, Walking Street is 500% better. Tonight let's see what BS lies in Nana. Instead of staying near Nana or Asoke, this time I booked a much nicer room than where I stayed before, for a third of the price, but somewhere away from the tourists traps. The place I am at is still bustling and less than 50 baht round trip to Terminal 21. Night market is great and lots of pretty girls. Food is cheaper and plenty of stalls. No way am I dropping 2500-3500 for that weak talent level at Thermae. And definitely not 5000 or more for that crap at Soi Cowboy. Sorry if I offend anybody who has first time to Thailand eyes. Last night, banged a slim light skinned, perky titty girl in this area for only 1100 for ST, that looked better than 99.5% of Thermae chicks I saw and for sure 100% of Baccara girls. Either my eyes are changing or I am getting real good at mongering in Thailand. Don't know what I am doing or talking about. Or just fucking lucky. 1100 LOL.

I'm in Rawai now. I will post a report in the Phuket thread at some point. Definitely more options here and there seems to be 100's (exaggeration) of massage parlors. Had a fun time last night in Bank Bar and then on go Zhu with two attractive ladies, but no boom boom. I think I'm about to go get a massage and let this one mid 30's ladies take away the pain.

If Thai good times is reading this, what is the deal with bar staff? Are they available. I got zero pressure for lady drinks and there were a couple that I would do. I played pool with what I assume is a FL. The flaky one at the end of the night.

I would like to buy you a beer if you are in the area.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2784082]Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you're surprised.

Every foreigner is a "hansum man" and a target in BKK.

The sooner you accept that and learn to see and avoid the scams, the better off you'll be.

If you look and act like a tourist, its no different than wearing a bright neon sign that says " SCAM ME, I'm a noobie". Its like a shark being attracted to blood.

Don't get me wrong, I've been scammed when I was a noobie in China, but took it as a lesson learned and didn't make the same mistake again.

As far as your race is concerned, don't even go there. I have some black friends there that get more ass that me (I'm white).

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2784510]Not sure why you're surprised.

Every foreigner is a "hansum man" and a target in BKK.

The sooner you accept that and learn to see and avoid the scams, the better off you'll be.

If you look and act like a tourist, its no different than wearing a bright neon sign that says " SCAM ME, I'm a noobie". Its like a shark being attracted to blood.

Don't get me wrong, I've been scammed when I was a noobie in China, but took it as a lesson learned and didn't make the same mistake again.

As far as your race is concerned, don't even go there. I have some black friends there that get more ass that me (I'm white).[/QUOTE]One a general level Race is a factor. Not to be blown off.

Certain races will have a harder time interacting with people who are highly the are word.

Remember in the best of times we are beneath them. So act accordingly. We are ugly smelly fat. Only saving Grace is we HAB money. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2783810]There's no nudity on the main floor at Baccara. You need to go upstairs for full nudity. If you look up through the glass floors from the main floor you can see the dancer's pussies who are nude upstairs.[/QUOTE]They are pantyless but from down below you really can't see anything. They aren't squatting or anything like that. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2784069]If all you wanted was a BJ just go to a BJ bar. Less than half of what you paid and always reliable and convenient.[/QUOTE]Never seen an African in a BJ bar.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2784361]I thought it was a crime to throw money on the ground because of the risk of stepping on the king's face?[/QUOTE]As long as you pick it up off the ground it's perfectly fine. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2784449]Been here 24 hours. Last night did rounds at Thermae and Soi Cowboy. Thermae saw only 3 that I would bang, but none I would pay the asking price of 2500 plus room, out of the couple of hundred or so in the bar. So many of the girls were staring, smiling, and grabbing me was I walked by. Guess they were new or haven't seen me awhile. Sorry, I am much pickier now. If you were there, you know which guy was me. Saw a bunch of dudes looking too. Not sure why. Onwards to Soi Cowboy. Man from Iran bars still scamming again. Baccara was dead awful, bottom floor being worse. 190 baht for a Coke, really? The girls PRE-COVID were way much better looking and thinner. Few from that group were even there, and the ones that were, gained weight. Waitresses joke with me about the girls and they know I am not a tourist anymore. "You same Thai," they said. "You know everything!" They asked about Pattaya. I said, Walking Street is 500% better. Tonight let's see what BS lies in Nana. Instead of staying near Nana or Asoke, this time I booked a much nicer room than where I stayed before, for a third of the price, but somewhere away from the tourists traps. The place I am at is still bustling and less than 50 baht round trip to Terminal 21. Night market is great and lots of pretty girls. Food is cheaper and plenty of stalls. No way am I dropping 2500-3500 for that weak talent level at Thermae. And definitely not 5000 or more for that crap at Soi Cowboy. Sorry if I offend anybody who has first time to Thailand eyes. Last night, banged a slim light skinned, perky titty girl in this area for only 1100 for ST, that looked better than 99.5% of Thermae chicks I saw and for sure 100% of Baccara girls. Either my eyes are changing or I am getting real good at mongering in Thailand. Don't know what I am doing or talking about. Or just fucking lucky. 1100 LOL.[/QUOTE]How are you liking BKK compared to Pattaya?

Once you've left the hotel you're staying at, would love to know which one. I usually stay in the On Nut area but I'the like to stay in a different area of BKK just to change it up.

[QUOTE=Tlito;2784415]Cheers thanks again.
I have never heard the expression Trink before.
Do you mind explaining it to me. Not having a shot at all. Just never heard it.
Thanks and good punting always.[/QUOTE]Bernard Trink, the Nite Owl.

Back in the dark ages, before the MRT, before the BTS, before smart phones, before mobile phones (the horror, the horror), when webpages were in their infancy, we got our news from hardcopy newspapers, in this case, the Bangkok Post. Trink wrote a weekly column, the Nite Owl, (Friday or Saturday, been 20 years so have forgotten which) that was MANDATORY reading. Detailed what was going on in the [I]adult entertainment[/I] industry: bar news, openings, closings, special events, who had attractive girls, massage parlors, etc., in Nana, Patpong, Cowboy, Pattaya, Phuket, along with some humorous (IMHO) musings on Thailand. He'd lived in BKK since the 60's. Back in 2003, the Post decided the Nite Owl column was not fit for a [I]family[/I] newspaper. Shame. Anyway, there were many Trinkisms, one of which was "[b]'Nuff said[/b]". (The other column I miss is "The Sloane Ranger", weekly column, Wednesday? on tech, hardware and software).

Think Stickman before the internet. If you don't know Stick, google "Stickman Bangkok". Weekly column every Sunday.

Came across this amusing article the other day, what a typical Nite Owl column would look like if he were still alive and wrote one today. Fun read and brought back a lot of memories, along with more Trinkisms.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/alltime/bernard-trinks-nite-owl-recalled-411760[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2784363]If it's diffcicult for you to get bareback in Bangkok, you should go Pattaya! All girls do BBFS.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say it is difficult for me or anyone to get bareback anywhere in the world. It just depends on who you're asking for it or forging ahead to get it without asking.

Also, my preference and style is to get an agreement for it up front, well before I have paid a barfine or taken a girl. Rarely do I leave it unaddressed and "go with the flow and see what happens in the room", because I absolutely abhor the Safety First 20 Minute Lecture And Discussion and History Lessons of Condom Use or an all new negotiation over price while I am poised at the point of penetration with an increasingly disinterested erection.

Therefore, my record of results is not going to be the same as that of the "go with the flow" in-bed lecture students and happy re-negotiators' experience and results except by coincidence.

My results in getting an up front agreement for BBFSCIP with girls I deem more than acceptable in terms of looks and demeanor in Bangkok go-go bars and in-person Freelancers still runs at about 60-65%.

I am fine with that.

However, the number and percentage of girls I have deemed more than acceptable in terms of looks and demeanor in Pattaya, anywhere in Pattaya, has historically been far, far fewer than I see and meet in Bangkok. At least up until the Covid closures. I have not gone to Pattaya since the reopenings.

And the number of times a Pattaya girl that I have been interested in fucking enough to approach, chat, charm, share laughs, drinks, wonderful chemistry etc leading to a negotiation and offer for it in a club, a beer bar, on Soi 6, in gogo bars on Walking Street, on Beach Road and the LK Metro area has agreed up front to it logs in at exactly 1 out of approximately 60+ attempts over several trips there in the past 10 years.

I met that one agreeable Pattaya girl in a Walking Street gogo bar. I would rate her about a "Bangkok 6" in terms of looks but was a "Pattaya 7. 5" in my eyes.

Her service was meh. I had no interest in repeating with her even though she pestered me for days on Line to meet her again.

So what can I say about Pattaya? Obviously, the few girls I have bothered to approach there did not get your memo about all Pattaya girls doing BBFS. Not with me, that is. Far from it. My record of success in getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP in Pattaya with the very few girls there I would want to fuck even for free is abysmal, worse than any other P4 P destination I have ever been.

And, of course as always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2784361]I thought it was a crime to throw money on the ground because of the risk of stepping on the king's face?[/QUOTE]While it's a crime to disrespect the monarchy, I guarantee no one a bar is going to complain or report anything. On second thought, if someone did something horrendous, I could see maybe the charge being tacked on.

Oh, I forgot to mention I passed by L's and Kasalong. The former had a scary looking lineup. The later seemed closed.

I'm in Pattaya now and definitely feels like there are more working women here.

[QUOTE=ChaChumplin;2784575]They are pantyless but from down below you really can't see anything. They aren't squatting or anything like that. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]I guess I have better vision than you.

[QUOTE=ChaChumplin;2784575]They are pantyless but from down below you really can't see anything. They aren't squatting or anything like that. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]I thought they were all winking at me.

Where did you get her? I'm so disappointed in bkk. Struggling after three rip offs.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2784449]Been here 24 hours. Last night did rounds at Thermae and Soi Cowboy. Thermae saw only 3 that I would bang, but none I would pay the asking price of 2500 plus room, out of the couple of hundred or so in the bar. So many of the girls were staring, smiling, and grabbing me was I walked by. Guess they were new or haven't seen me awhile. Sorry, I am much pickier now. If you were there, you know which guy was me. Saw a bunch of dudes looking too. Not sure why. Onwards to Soi Cowboy. Man from Iran bars still scamming again. Baccara was dead awful, bottom floor being worse. 190 baht for a Coke, really? The girls PRE-COVID were way much better looking and thinner. Few from that group were even there, and the ones that were, gained weight. Waitresses joke with me about the girls and they know I am not a tourist anymore. "You same Thai," they said. "You know everything!" They asked about Pattaya. I said, Walking Street is 500% better. Tonight let's see what BS lies in Nana. Instead of staying near Nana or Asoke, this time I booked a much nicer room than where I stayed before, for a third of the price, but somewhere away from the tourists traps. The place I am at is still bustling and less than 50 baht round trip to Terminal 21. Night market is great and lots of pretty girls. Food is cheaper and plenty of stalls. No way am I dropping 2500-3500 for that weak talent level at Thermae. And definitely not 5000 or more for that crap at Soi Cowboy. Sorry if I offend anybody who has first time to Thailand eyes. Last night, banged a slim light skinned, perky titty girl in this area for only 1100 for ST, that looked better than 99.5% of Thermae chicks I saw and for sure 100% of Baccara girls. Either my eyes are changing or I am getting real good at mongering in Thailand. Don't know what I am doing or talking about. Or just fucking lucky. 1100 LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2784449] Night market is great and lots of pretty girls. Food is cheaper and plenty of stalls. No way am I dropping 2500-3500 for that weak talent level at Thermae. And definitely not 5000 or more for that crap at Soi Cowboy. Sorry if I offend anybody who has first time to Thailand eyes. Last night, banged a slim light skinned, perky titty girl in this area for only 1100 for ST, that looked better than 99.5% of Thermae chicks I saw and for sure 100% of Baccara girls. Either my eyes are changing or I am getting real good at mongering in Thailand. Don't know what I am doing or talking about. Or just fucking lucky. 1100 LOL.[/QUOTE]Interesting report. Which Night Market are you referring to? I didn't know there are WG hanging out there. Are they street walkers Like you'd find around Sukhumvit? Or are you picking up more regular girl types?

So here's what I think of Nana. Total basura. 9 pm at Billboard, only 12 girls on carousel. 2 in the tub. Talent level is meh. A couple of older ones had decent bodies but their faces are old. They did redo the interior. New seats and lighting. 140 for weak drink. Couldn't even taste the gin, just tonic. Saw the really old guy with long hair in those hipster jeans. If you go to GoGo bars a lot, you know who I talking about. We chatted at Pin Up before and he's been doing GoGo bars for 20 plus years. After my drink, bounced around. Apparently Rainbow group has pretty much taken over the real estate in Nana. Rainbows 1-5, and Rainbow69. Peeked in all of them. Weak. Rainbow 4 had 7 girls on stage and Rainbow 5 had like 6. This was at 9:35! What the fuck was going on? Finally settled on Twister bottom floor. Maybe 25 girls total? Drink 155 and weak too. Nana is getting cheap on the pours. When I went to the bathroom saw some girl rush in while I was washing my hands. She was gagging a spit what look like a load of cum out of her out her mouth and rinsing. The fuck? This was interesting. So I took a chance and called down some taller slim girl with a gun tattoo on her upper hip. Asked about extras. Paid her a nice tip and let's just say I am glad I brought my wet wipes. Those seats at Twister make good for hanky panky. It's a big ass empty club. Left Nana satisfied but disappointed at the same time. Nana and Cowboy have NOTHING on Walking Street GoGo bars in terms of customers, number of girls, or quality. At 8 pm in Walking Street Baccara, Fahrenheit, Pin Up, XS, Palace already have close to 100 girls each club. I should of figure something was up when I saw former Rainbow 2 girls at Baccara WS awhile back. Anyways onto Thermae on a weekday. No bueno. Bangkok is far from what I remembered when the streets of Sukhumvit had those street bars and seats extending onto Sukhumvit itself all thee way until T21. It's just sad now. Really sad. I am crying as I type this. Am I going to the wrong bars? Thought Billboard and Rainbow 5 were supposed to be the best. But from what I saw they both rank below Bliss or Living Dolls in Pattaya. Those aren't even in the top 12 on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Projektzer;2784815]Where did you get her? I'm so disappointed in bkk. Struggling after three rip offs.[/QUOTE]How did you get ripped off 3 times?

Another note on Nana. If you are a Gogo pro, you already know what to expect before even stepping inside by looking at the PR girls or what's standing outside the bar. Blondie bar isn't fooling anyone with those giant Grey Goose bottles. I guess it's supposed to cater to VIP clientele. But the few chubby girls are like "take a look inside free. " Tonight j will do so more walking in, taking quick peeks, and walking out of bars, I guess. Where did I get her? All I can say if you go to the tourist traps, you will pay tourist trap prices. There is a method to all this madness. If you have no issues banging civilian girls before mongering, then trust me 1000-1500 is enough to bang alot of girls in a certain area of town.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2784774]While it's a crime to disrespect the monarchy, I guarantee no one a bar is going to complain or report anything. On second thought, if someone did something horrendous, I could see maybe the charge being tacked on.

.[/QUOTE]Try it and see. Report back (or not).

I left The Big Mango just before the border closed and spent many months in Siem Reap. Once the lockdowns hit, Siem turned in to a ghost town.

Businesses closed, locals left. It got so unbusy that they repaved the town. But I still got laid whenever I wanted.

I've been shopping around to get stuff I need now that I am back here in Smog City. Retail here, especially high end retail, apparently took a beating during the pandemic. MBK, Chatuchak, Siam, Central World, EmQ are far emptier in terms of vendors and product. Tourist numbers are of course way down.

Same same the sex industry. Even before the Wuflu hit some places like Patpong werent worth visiting at all, now its worse than that. Folks bitched about Cowboy, same same now, only less crowded. Oh horrors, the Beergarden is full of hags, really? Like its any different now? Bottom feeder paradise (but a few decent items on the food menu). Speculate all you want as to the reason, but FEWER customers mean FEWER product. When the numbers of buyers increase, so will the shelves get restocked.

I live here, PT. There are reasons to live here other than easily available hot young pussy and either the pussy is the bonus or all the other things to do are, who knows. I get laid whenever I want. My taste might not be yours, yours is not mine. However, I daresay that if you know what you are doing, you will get laid too with the girls of your dreams.

If you think that Bangkok is some dreamland of hordes of squealing babes shooting ping pong balls out their bungholes and ripping your clothes off while offering 3 holes for 500 baht, you best lay off the Thai porn. Some folks like Pattaya, I can't comment since I haven't been there in 10 years?, it was a sewer then and not worth a return.

Give it time kiddies, the girls will return.

Consider: On Sunday night I was in Khao San road looking for some glass. There were all sorts of chickies giving me the eyeball. Got a few Lines and then I went to Thermae to pay my respect to the Boss, who I guess has been under the weather, but was supposed to be there according to the Staff. If you are a Thermaeter, you know the guy I mean. So after paying my respects, I took a walkaround and there were at least 15 girls I would have done, all of whom would have done me I'm sure. But since I wasnt in the mood, I just had a few sodas, watched some football and watched the antics. One particularly hot one was grabbing the Westerners, they would talk and that's it. I asked one dude who talked to her what she wanted he said 3 K. Huh. I can only assume that folks were walking away for 500 B, which is $15. To each his own. I took her Line for later. Then an Asian dude grabbed her.

Its all there for you. If you are a 3 week tourist concentrate on Nana, Thermae, the little bars near Beergarden, or the massages and soapies that cater to the Japanese / Korean crowd. Don't waste your time in Cowboy, Patpong or the Beergarden. BJ bars are hit and miss as to looks, but you are paying for a mouth. Go to Pattaya if you want to wallow "like in the old days". Fiwfans is good in the Suk area. If you are on your game, roll down to Khao San or hit Chatuchak or the tourist night markets.

Thats my 2 satangs for now.

On my way to Cowboy and this was how busy the crossing was at this intersection. Who remembers how really packed this used to be? There wasn't even any traffic jam on Sukhumvit like the old days. Does anybody remember all those street bars along Sukhumvit? One after the other. Even the bars next to Cowboy are gone, filled with cannabis stalls. The food carts are gone too on the Asoke side. Few remain on the Soi 23 side. Inside Cowboy was a bit busier at 10 pm than 8:30, but a fraction of before COVID. I talked to a girl at Cowboy Agogo. Told me that most of the girls have found other ways of making money in the online scene. And they are choosing the easier route. So yes, COVID forced some to learn about doing things differently. And they won't be coming back. Thermae was trash on a Tuesday night as well. Not even ONE girl I would take out for 2500-3000.95% only wanted ST upstairs. I remember back when you can come with friends and take a whole group of them to go LT and party at Route 66 or Scratch Dog or Insanity. Now most are leaving around 11 to catch the MRT back home. If you are smart, that's when you can stalk them and get them cheap if you stay in their area of town. They be adding 500 baht taxi both ways to their Thermae price but paying 43 baht for MRT. Loca chicas. Trust me when I say this. If they took 1500 baht during COVID, they will take 1500 now. I was here. I know which ones. LOL.

Making plans to return to Bangkok!! Will be there sometime in September. I know it's the low season and also rainy season but to wait til December? Uhm, Nah. Hope the flooding is not as bad this year!! Basically returning to complete what I scheduled to do on my last trip.

It's highly possible Nana is just to expensive. Add it all up you looking at $130 for short time.

Does it matter. To me it does.

Even Tesla is lowering prices.

I'm returning to Bangkok this month and bringing some friends with me, at least one of which has never been there. So I put together this list for him. Any comments or suggestions?

[B]Soapies[/B]

Large hotel-like buildings serving food and drinks, with a selection of ladies at different prices according to the tags they wear. No pressure to choose. Prices about 3-7 k. Body-to-body massage, followed by CFS.

● Poseidon (Sutthisan), uses a fish bowl ([URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2780105&highlight=poseidon#post2780105]ISG[/URL]).

● La Belle (Phetchaburi), the best chicken wings I've ever had, worldwide.

[B]Oilies / Tourist Massage Parlors[/B]

Prices about 3-4 k.

● Tulip (Thong Lor), older women for backdoor action.

● Picasso (Asok) ([URL=https://picassobkk.com/]web[/URL]).

● Doki Doki (Asok), with nuru gel.

● Sukhumvit 24 Alley (Phrom Phong).

[B]Kapoos[/B]

Small massage parlors away from tourist areas, more amateur girls, possibly younger, variable level of services. Prices about 2 k. No one speaks English.

● Honey Lemon (Sathorn) ([URL=https://tracks.pr09.com/honeylemon]web[/URL]) ([URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2769039&highlight=honey+lemon#post2769039]ISG[/URL]).

● 1 Society (Phrom Phong) ([URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2528377&highlight=kapoo#post2528377]ISG[/URL]).

● X-Ray (Thong Lor).

[B]Local Escorts[/B]

Generally incall, prices about 1-2 k. Most pictures are photoshopped.

● Sideline ([URL=https://www.sidelinethailand.com/]web[/URL]).

● Fiwfans ([URL=https://fiwfans.com/]web[/URL]).

● ThaiFriendly, a mix of working girls and civilians.

● Tinder.

[B]Gogo Bars[/B]

Lady drinks can be 300, barfines about 1000. Girls usually ask for 3 k for ST (Short Time, 1 hour).

● Soi Cowboy (Asok).

● Nana Plaza (Nana).

[B]Thermae[/B]

It's in a class of its own. Basically a pickup bar where all the girls are freelancers. Price is usually 3 k for ST, at your hotel room. Girls here prefer Asian guys. Located between Asok and Nana.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=thermae+cafe+Bangkok[/URL]

[B]Civilian Pickups[/B]

● RCA Alley nightclubs.

● Chatuchak weekend market / Chatuchak Park.

● Night markets.

[B]BJ Bars[/B]

Only semi-private, usually older women.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2785268]On my way to Cowboy and this was how busy the crossing was at this intersection. Who remembers how really packed this used to be? There wasn't even any traffic jam on Sukhumvit like the old days. Does anybody remember all those street bars along Sukhumvit? One after the other. Even the bars next to Cowboy are gone, filled with cannabis stalls. The food carts are gone too on the Asoke side. Few remain on the Soi 23 side. Inside Cowboy was a bit busier at 10 pm than 8:30, but a fraction of before COVID. I talked to a girl at Cowboy Agogo. Told me that most of the girls have found other ways of making money in the online scene. And they are choosing the easier route. So yes, COVID forced some to learn about doing things differently. And they won't be coming back. Thermae was trash on a Tuesday night as well. Not even ONE girl I would take out for 2500-3000.95% only wanted ST upstairs. I remember back when you can come with friends and take a whole group of them to go LT and party at Route 66 or Scratch Dog or Insanity. Now most are leaving around 11 to catch the MRT back home. If you are smart, that's when you can stalk them and get them cheap if you stay in their area of town. They be adding 500 baht taxi both ways to their Thermae price but paying 43 baht for MRT. Loca chicas. Trust me when I say this. If they took 1500 baht during COVID, they will take 1500 now. I was here. I know which ones. LOL.[/QUOTE]Forgot to add. Looks like Rainbow group is opening a bar in Soi Cowboy as well as the other ones in Nana.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2785361]I'm returning to Bangkok this month and bringing some friends with me, at least one of which has never been there. So I put together this list for him. Any comments or suggestions?.[/QUOTE]I think you should read HT's excellent summary posted yesterday.

www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=2785294&viewfull=1#post2785294

Went through your list quickly but don't think I saw the Pimp, Thaniya road, Patpong, and Khaosan Road for drunk civilians.

November Bangkok / Pattaya.

A delayed report from a newbie.

Posting in the Bangkok thread as that is where most of the action occurred.

I RTFF so thank you to those who post reports, they were informative and sometimes entertaining and.

Gave me a good idea on what to expect.

This turned into a bit of an ramble, so apologies, was going to edit, then could not be bothered, excuse any typo's / grammar, hopefully it is helpful for other newbies. T.

My first time in Thailand as well as experiencing new things, so mixed it up with some tourist stuff.

Day 1.

Arrived late afternoon, and was quickly through immigration / customs. Based on earlier posts re exchanging money, headed to the basement and got a decent rate for some baht. I had booked to stay in the asoke area, so took the train in, fairly simple, but worked up a little sweat lugging bag, got myself a metro card.

After checking in and refreshing, it was early evening, so I head out for my first foray, I want to try a nuru and kokoro seems to come up a bit so that is my first stop, I head off following google maps and it directs me up soi cowboy, I was looking down when I turned the corner did realize where I was, until the calls started coming in, I had a bit of a gander, but was on a mission, so continue on to kokoro.

Arrived and knocked, buzzed in, quiet no one else there, opt for the 90 min nuru, line-up offered but only 3 girls available, chose Mona as the stand out for my taste.

Given a water and wipe while waiting for her to collect her things, offered bathroom on the way up.

Room is nice enough with the split wet and dry area, Mona helps me out of my clothes then removes hers and sets up the stool and shower and proceeds to wash and rub herself all over me. Chemistry is a bit lacking and she seems a little disinterested / mechanical, a few tugs on the little fella and rubbing her arm back and forth over the anus? Hot and cold BJ, BJ skills left a lot to be desired.

I have to say the seat is quite uncomfortable, trying to get the right perch to relax is difficult.

Onto part 2, down goes the airbed, lying facedown and on with the gel, and the body slides begin, and the cat bath, and the little fake moaning, which I thought might bother me, but actually didn't.

No rimming, she licked my ass but not the crack.

This was a pretty nice feeling except for her fake tits which looked great but were hard as rocks (although admittedly they gave a decent deep tissue massage, it's not what I was there for).

Flipped and more sliding, rubbing and a bit of a handy, then quick, on with the condom and riding me until completion, which was not long given it had been a couple of weeks.

Unfortunately kissing was almost non-existent, tiny pecks.

Bit of a cleanup, then put the air mattress away and into the shower to rinse off the gel, I dry off and get on the bed, estimating I have about 20-30 minutes left, she takes her time, putting thing away, showering, drying, running down the clock in hindsight.

Anyway by the time she is done, she says there is only 5-10 minutes left and so offers a half hearted massage and then we are done, get dressed and then out door, no punters in the waiting area, though as I try to leave out the main entrance, I almost collide with a young guy and an old guy bringing in clean laundry, huge piles so they must go through a lot.

All in all I was OK with the experience, headed back to the hotel to crash.

Would I repeat: No.

Cost: 3900 BHT.

Day 2. Work and tourist stuff, food tour in the evening, arrived back later, knackered, had a drink at the bar, decided I was too tired to head out so went to bed.

Day 3.

Decided to give a nuru another go, but try a new place, so off to Doki Doki mid afternoon, I had contacted them on line earlier to get the lineup and chose Sora, who appeared to be new and looked the best to me.

I walked from my Hotel and it was only 15-20 minutes at a casual pace, I noticed another guy on the way checking his phone and taking the same turns as me, he was in deep undercover mode, cap pulled down, big sunglasses and a mask, thought he might be heading to the same place but he turned off early.

I arrived on time for the appointment, confirmed my appointment and paid and took a seat, was provided a bottle of water.

Shortly after undercover man arrived, overheard him asking to see girls, only offered lineup on tablet. He must have found something he liked as he sat down, but kept his concealing apparel on.

Sora arrived and she was better than expected, considering they hide the face in the photo's perhaps not as busty, but a pretty face and great body.

Up to the room and a similar process as kokoro, except no seat, but a pre-shower with fondling and some light french kissing.

Down goes the air mattress and the nuru begins, while this felt nicer with her natural tits, I don't think she used enough gel so there was a little dry rubbing.

Flipped and same on the front with more attention where its needed, started a nice BBBJ and the skill was there, no deepthroat, but consistent quality and gentle to a nice CIM. She stopped a couple times to check all was OK and she was not being to rough.

Cleaned up and another shower then dried off and onto the bed, a light massage then a further bit of BBBJ to get me hard again, on with the condom and a bit of cow girl, unfortunately the condom was a bit tight cut the circulation so I went soft again, told her not to worry and she did a little more BBBJ, she was keen to try and get the 2nd pop, but I could tell it would take longer than we had left to happen, my refractory period has been increasing as I get older, though I can usually manage 2 shots in 90 if the first is early enough.

So we finished off with a light massage and a chat, Sora's english was quite good, she conformed he had been working at doki doki for less than 2 weeks, having been in Cambodia maybe, but had come home to look after mum. She asked about other nuru places and I mentioned kokoro, and she asked about the venue and pricing, seemed quite interested.

Anyway, time was up and we finished up and got dressed, I noticed a bright red mark on her leg, and pointed it out, she said it was a friction burn from the mattress, which confirmed my suspicion about not enough gel.

I think I really should have asked for her line, as a week later when I looked up doki doki she was gone.

Would I repeat: Yes.

Much happier with this session, cost: 3500 BHT.

Day 4. I had another food tour planned for the evening / night, so went out for some daytime action. I had read about the BJ bars and was intrigued, but I needed to top up my cash and also felt like I also needed a boost to my perceived softness, so I headed out to Vasu exchange and also looking to go to the pharmacy in foodland on soi 5 (I think that's the right one), to pick up some sidegra.

Anyway exchange rate at vasu was good as reported, efficient operation, highly recommended, I visited again later in my trip to top up again, went to find the pharmacy I had read about and it was closed? So took other advice and went into a small local pharmacy on the way back to my hotel, it was 400 for a box of 4 x 100 MG.

Given I was unsure how I would react to a the pill, I cut about a 1/4 off back at the hotel then gave myself an hour, felt ok, maybe mildly flushed, so off to wood bar to check it out, it was late afternoon at this point.

Walking up I there were a half dozen ladies outside, though nothing jumped out at me, I thought there might be more inside, so walking in, getting a few smiles and greetings, unfortunately no other ladies inside, but an older mama, and younger mama / manager.

The older Mama sat me down on one side and then went and called in the ladies, from outside, they sat on the opposite side, quite confronting as about 10-12 ladies came in, unfortunately most were older or not appealing, The mama was pushing one or another of the ladies, but I held firm. I had decided I was going to make it happen, and given I had another appointment in the evening across town, my time was limited, Then I spotted a slightly plump 30 ish looking lady who was smiling widely, so I gambled and chose her, paid the mama, but did not quite catch the name of the lady.

She led me up stairs, collecting her things on the way and we entered a "room" which in reality is a booth, with a door, and was actually much more than I expected, looked like a comfy arm chair and a sink in the corner to wash up.

She had me remove my cloths and hang them up, then guided me to the sink and gave the little fella a thorough wash, it was now I noticed the effect of the 1/4 pill as normally I'd get a semi from a little handling, but now I was at full salute, the lady made admiring sounds which I am sure she has practiced and guided me to the seat, placed a towel down and I sat.

Shen then dropped her top to her bra and proceed with a BBBJ, technique was fairly good but not quite as good as Sora from the day before, a decent amount of ball licking and shaft work, but I think she was hoping for a 5 min finish, as she seemed to get tired, used her hand a bit, but then got a 2nd wind and went to work with her mouth again and included some ball play. After about 15 min we had a CIM, which she delicately spat out, then cleaned me up. I was dressed and on my way, within 30 minutes of walking in.

Again I was satisfied with the session, it was pretty much what I expected from what I had read.

Would I repeat: Maybe.

Cost:800 BHT.

Day 5. A write off, because I met some people on the food tour the previous night and we went out drinking, did not get back until after 3 am, major hangover. Fancy dinner booking in the evening, just about got myself straight for that.

Day 6. Moving Day, Booked Nams lady taxi the day before, for a early afternoon transfer (again read about on here).

Pattaya here I come, but before I leave I have a couple hours to kill, so thought I would give Kokoro another go. Contact them on line to find out who is working, and then decide just to walk on over as its not too far.

Walk past the massage places on Soi 23, lots of calls and a few hands reaching out, one kind of nice looking lady, but a bit older, give her a smile and keep walking as I am on a mission.

Arrive at Kokoro and get buzzed in, I am the only customer, about 6 girls, mama calls the line up, Nene catches my eye, pay for nuru, get my water, so off to the room and the same procedure, undress, stool out water running and get soaped up, nene has small naturals, and a tight body which feels great rubbing up and down me and I'm rubbing up and down her, she massages me all over with her breasts, cleans my ass and then slides under the stool for some rimming, now this is the first time I'm receiving rimming and I'm undecided, but its done before and can form an opinion. Then I get the hot and cold BBBJ, she does a pretty good job, but again not as good as Sora or the girl at wood bar, so I don't cum.

Now its time for the mat and gel, nice bode slides, she feels soft but firm, little fake moans, and a cat bath getting her tongue into my neck which I love, then she goes for riming round 2, sliding up to my ass and getting her tongue in there for a swirl, I'm getting used to it and deciding it might not be to bad.

Then the flip, some more sliding and a light BJ then on with the condom and she rides me for a bit, then missionary, then doggy where I finally cum.

Cleanup and shower, put the mat away and seems we don't have much time left, but I get a little massage and a bit of chit chat, she has a bit of english, and I have no Thai but a handful of words mostly relating to food.

Then its out the door, thank you.

A much better session with the full experience except the kissing, which so far all ladies have pulled back on? I am fairly sure my teeth are straight and clean and I use the mouth wash, anyway, not the end of the world for me.

One the way back up soi 23, the lady I smiled at earlier ambushes me, and tries to wrestle me into her shop, another bloke in a suit walking nearby just stares dumfounded as stagger a 1/4 block with this lady hanging on, she eventually give up and gives me a beaming smile, I tell her nice try and go catch my ride to Pattaya.

Day 7. I make a stupid mistake. After checking in to my hotel late afternoon the day before (I had decided on a beach front resort as I like to chill) I just ate and then hit the sack. I decided to relax this morning, take a dip in the ocean and then chill in a cabana and read my book with a bit of resort service, which started out great, except I had not put any sunscreen on, and it was a good book. I have a light olive complexation and can usually handle a little sun without cover, but I stupidly thought I was OK as I was under the umbrella, rookie mistake, 3 hours later I was cooked. While I looked OK, then, I could tell I was going to be a lobster by nightfall, which was true, along with the uncomfortable pain. Decided not to venture out that night.

Day 8. Worked and felt miserable for myself, also went an got a leg massage while picking up some aftersun.

Day 9. Did some tourist stuff as I did not want the visit to be a complete waste, ate dinner at the resort again. But then decided I could not leave Pattaya without at least checking out some form of nightlife.

Decided to try out a gentlemen's club did a quick check then decided on Highrollers, per a few mentions and if I did not like it there were a few more around, would play it a bit by ear. I arrived mid evening and found the place pretty easily, google maps is a wonder.

There were about 12 customers and maybe 16 ladies, a few who looked ok, but nothing extraordinary, waitress asked me where I wanted to sit and I choose one of the couches nr the back, just wanted a bit of space, decided I was not going to booze so ordered a red bull, try give myself a pick me up.

They had 3 girls "dancing" on little stages, rotating after a few songs. A girl came and sat on the couches near me, but she was not my type so I ignored her, Then some movement across the room caught my eye, a girl in a lacy getup with the right body type, I moved my head a bit to try and get a better view and suddenly noticed most of the girls on the other side of the motion to the girl walking and then huddle and point at me, so over she comes, I had a little smile and laugh to myself, these ladies are hawks, they had theirs eyes on me like I am a rabbit, and perhaps tonight I was.

The girls name was Dew I think, said she was 24 I think, apparently on her first contract at highrollers and had worked one other bar, and before that in Isan, or so she says. Initial chat seemed good so I offered her a drink, there was a little bit of leg and cock rubbing and a bit of tit feeling (fake but not too rock hard), but it was all very hesitant and forced, I took it for shyness and my inexperience in a gentlemen's club, and no kissing, this is probably where I should have cut my losses, moved on to someone else or a new venue, but I continued on as the conversation while minimal was OK and I had my arms around a pretty girl watching other pretty girls sway. (hindsight is a wonderful thing, we live and learn).

Server came along and I got another red bull and she got another drink sangsom and coke. (really should have denied the 2nd drink as it had not been that long).

I asked room price, and was told 500, which sounded right (correct me if not), and her price was 2000, that seemed more than I had read before, thinking it was between 1000-1500, I queried her on this and she just stuck to 2000.

Anyway I thought she was cute, had a good body, I was getting tired and decided, if I left I was just heading back to the hotel (it had been a big day), so I told her I would take her up, then off she went to mama, to organize the bar fine and so I could settle my bin. Just over 900 from memory, 2 x lady drink, 2 x redbull, bar fine.

Up to the room, and she turns the lights right down, does not bother me much still enough light to see, she asks if I want to shower, I say yes, so into the shower for me, she undresses then comes and gives me a little scrub, and jerks me off in the shower, trying to get me to cum, I'm unsure if she is trying to finish the session quick, so I get out and dry off and sit on the bed while she showers and dries off.

I have her come stand in front of me so I can test out he breasts, they are pretty good fakes. Anyway onto the bed and and bit of BBBJ, I ask her to lie down and continue BBBJ while I massage her pussy, but no fingering allowed, also no kissing, just tiny hard lipped pecks. She again tries to give me a handy with gusto, but I redirect to putting on a condom.

Onto the main course, cow girl, missionary, but I can tell she wants me to finish quick, and I am getting a bit annoyed, so move her into doggie and finish it up.

Shower, dress and I pay her and head back down stairs as she wanders off to take her kit back. I take my same seat and order a soda water to help rehydrate and chill for a minute and contemplate what mistakes I made.

It was not a terrible session, I got some of what I wanted, but it was short, maybe 30-40 minutes. And I feel like maybe I overpaid, but you can tell me.

Dew came back and sat with me, and the server asked if I wanted to buy her another drink, but I said no, I made my displeasure known by giving her a bit of the cold shoulder, petty maybe but I wanted her to know I was not happy. Finished my drink then bailed, on my way out saw a couple others having a good time, so decided I was probably doing something wrong.

Would I repeat: No.

Cost: 3000 = Drinks 500 THB, Barfine 500 THB, Session 2000.

Back to Bangkok tomorrow.

Day 10. Transfer back to Bangkok (Nams Lady Taxi again) and settle in to a new hotel, in the Asoke area. Head to terminal 21 for some shopping.

Decide to try something different tonight and head to Daisy Dream, its busy tonight and I spot a guy ahead of me who looks like he might be on the same mission again, he is, but he gets lost so I arrive before him, there are couple of south asian guys ahead of me, they are together, but they are taking their time looking over the menu, and the mama is getting frustrated, I immediately spot a girl I like the look of, and give her a smile, and get a nice one in return, the mama seats me and says the other 2 are ahead of me and I need to wait maybe 20 minutes for a room. So OK I'm here.

In the mean time, the guy who got lost, turns up takes a seat and I overhear he has a 40 min wait.

Finally one of the guys settles on what he wants and the mama calls a lineup, so I get to have a look, they can't decide so sit back down and discuss, but I still think the first one I spotted is best though there are a couple other contenders. The first guy dithers a bit, lineup again and he chooses the girl I was thinking about, I was sad, but she looked sadder. She gave me a sad smile as she walks paste and I shrug my shoulders, what can you do, first come first serve.

Then I need to wait for the friend of the first guy, and he is dithering too, back to the menu, will he, won't he, he gets on his phone and sends a message and then his friend comes down again half dressed and they discuss about time etc, so the 1st guy changes his order, I think he extends his session, second guy gets a fresh lineup and chooses his girl, and then its my turn, finally.

While all of that is going on, the mammasan turns away about 10 punters, couple of singles and couple of groups, the wait is now 2 hours? Not sure how it jumped that much but anyway.

During these lineups, I have spotted a girl with a great smile, she is a little older than the others but has presence, so I go why not, choose something different. Now while Daisy Dream does nuru, I opt for the oil massage 90 minutes, as I have done the nuru thing twice.

I forget the lady's name now, (maybe yummy, yumi), should have made notes. Anyway this turned out to be a really nice GFE session.

In the room we shower together, get clean, rinse our mouths and then she asks if I want to cum 2 times, I say if she wants to make me cum twice we'll need to get the first one done early, so onto the the bed with a BBBJ, which was a little toothy, then on with a condom and some good cowgirl where I let myself relax and just finish. Then onto my front for the massage, which she was actually pretty good at, I almost drifted off.

About 30 mis later I initiate a turn over and say lets see about number 2, so she does the BBBJ again, then slips on a new condom and we go cowgirl, missionary, doggy, but now my stamina is waning, bit more cow girl, then she hops off, I can tell I'm still not quite recovered enough for a second pop, but she tries HJ for a bit, but I tell her not to worry and just come lie down for a bit, so up she comes and snuggles up and we just chat and stroke each other. She had pretty decent english so I did not struggle and she tried teaching me a few words in Thai.

All in all a nice session, but also not really what I was after, there was nothing wrong, performance was good, her body was fit, face was average for my taste.

Would I repeat: Maybe.

Cost: 3500 THB.

Day 11. No action, too may tourist things, dinner til late.

Day 12. Busy day, but want some more action tonight, decide to try Addict Massage per reports here and the purple unforms look cute.

I head down that way on the BTS and while I get off at the correct stop and correct side, I manage to turn myself around and walk in the wrong direction for a few minutes, but eventually make it there, with a couple of older gents walking in ahead of me. There are quite a few shops on the little side soi.

I walk in, in the middle of a lineup, couple of Korean gents having a look, but they back out, mama tries to block them leaving in a joking way and they get a bit physical, was a bit weird, the older gents are just having a look, with one explaining to the other the process.

I have spotted a girl I like the look of and call the mama over point to her and and then ask or the menu, opt for a jacuzzi scrub, something different again.

I have forgotten the girls name, so maybe not a great impression.

Upstairs to the room, and she starts filling the tub and disappears, probably gone for 10 minutes, and I start getting a little concerned, but she eventually returns and seems surprised I am still dressed, well she did just wander off without saying anything.

We disrobe and hop in the tub, but while she tries to get the bubbles going, something is wrong and it just fires jets of water everywhere, seems like the tub just won't fill enough to cover the holes, anyway, she works on scrubbing me down and we have a little play in the bath but its a bit awkward, so we move to the bed after rinsing etc.

Bit of an oil rub down, BBBJ and then on with the condom, sex in multiple positions and I finish in doggy, then a bit more of a rub before the session ends.

I felt like complaining re the jacuzzi as I paid for that, but just could not be bothered.

Would I repeat: No, though might pick another girl at addict, but who knows I might pick the same one as I have forgotten her name / face.

Cost: I want to say 3500 THB or maybe 4000 THB.

I guess you could say it was a forgettable session.

Day 13.

More tourist stuff during the day, then felt like a BJ in the evening. I had read about 7-Heavan on the forums and a little google showed I had walked past it on the way to Daisy Dream, so off I went, caught the BTS, then walked a little bit to get there. When I arrived I asked about a lineup, but no, girl on the desk was firm, only tablet.

I had decided on my walk over to try 2 girls, so I asked the girl on the desk which girls worked well together, and she started pointing out pairs, now I realized as she was doing this, that she probably did not know and was randomly selecting, so I just chose 2 who looked kinda nice, so hard to tell from the tablet pics.

Receptionist / mama yells out and then pushes me through the curtain a few seconds later, and the 2 ladies are waiting for me. Fah and Jan from memory (I could be wrong though, I really should take notes earlier), as I suspected not quite like there photos, but nice looking enough, but they had big smiles and led me up stairs.

The space was a partitioned room with curtains, a bed, shelf for clothes and sink for cleaning up, we had a little bit of banter and they had me undress, while they took off their tops, after bein cleaned up and lying on the bed / mattress, one girl positioned herself between my legs the other at my chest and they started to go to work, licking and sucking my nipples, cock and balls, while I rubbed any exposed flesh and between legs (but over panties), they swapped a few times, giving my tackle a wipe in-between, and had one on my balls and the other on my cock, it was a most wonderful experience, and I almost came about 4 times and swear I had some micro orgasms, they were getting tired about 20 minutes in, bit of chat between them in Thai, as I had not come yet, they kept asking if everything was ok, to which I affirmed yes, and they should keep going, and so I ran out the whole 40 minutes with the swapping back and forth cock and balls, near the end they stopped bothering to wipe me down between swapping.

So I did not finish, but it had felt awesome, and I feel I got my money's worth, they both seemed a little concerned I had not cum, but I reassured them I had had a nice time, and they encouraged me to come back again and they would try again, and maybe I should add a 3rd girl, and perhaps I will, it was definitely and experience.

Would I repeat: Yes, while the girl up front was a little rude, the service was great.

Cost: 2500 THB.

Day 14.

Last day in Thailand, and I have an early evening flight. After a few last errands I plan for a final session and choose to go to kokoro again as I have checked and nene is working the early shift, but after the success last night I decide to blow the last on my baht and get a duo nuru.

I rock up at Kokoro about midday, and get a line-up, there were 8 to 10 and I pick nene and aileen, I pay for the duo, plus the vip room with jacuzzi, if I am going big, may as well go all the way.

Up to the room and nene remembers me from the previous session, so we chat a little about what I have been doing since we last saw each other, aileen's english is not so great and she seems quite timid so stayed quite.

Session started as usual with the chair out and being soaped up, it's still not a comfortable perch, but this time I had 2 girls rubbing themselves over me which made up for, they were rubbing me, I was rubbing them, all fun. Then aileen slipped under the chair and started the rimming, while nene proceeded with a BBBJ, this was a nice combination, which ended too soon and the spa bath was full and so we were moving over, I hopped in and then aileen and then nene. In hindsight the jacuzi with 3 was a bad idea, it was a bit cramped, we had a bit of washing and touching, but was hard to get any nice action going. So I suggest we move on to the nuru.

Onto the matt, on with the gel and I get a double rub / body slide, nene goes down on my ass again which was pleasant, while aileen kinda slides along my side. The I flip and a bit more sliding, before nene asks who I'd like to fuck first, I ask aileen and they get a condom out, but then they both start exclaiming that I am too big, condom to small, but I make it work.

Aileen gets on top, but has trouble fitting me in, she is very tight, so nene helps guide me in and she starts to ride me but is grimacing, which puts me off and I ask if she is ok, if its too sore, I'm not one who gets off on that kind off action, but she assures me its ok, and after a bit the ride seems a little easier and I eventually finish with her on top and nene licking my nipples.

Quick cleanup and then nene orders "now you fuck nene", and I'm like fuck, I don't know if I'm up for that, but if they can help get me hard again I'll have a crack. So I do and we try a little cow girl. Missionary and doggy, but I'm getting tired and its hard to do on the slippery matt, I could tell if we had another 30 minutes I could probably make the 2nd shot, but nene check and we only had about 10 left, so I just opted for a slow cleanup shower, and lay on the bed naked admiring them. Then nene noticed the remainder of my sunburn, and became all motherly, went to her kit an got some cream and proceeded to rub lotion over all the burns.

I thanked them both for a lovely session and left Bangkok with a great final memory.

Would I repeat: yes nene, no aileen, no jacuzi. Maybe duo-nuro.

Cost: 8000 THB,(7500 THB duo-nuru, 500 VIP room).

So in summary I don't think I did too bad as a newbie, tried a few things, learnt a few things.

I had planned on hitting go-gos and beers bars, Trying Escorts, Thermae and TF / Fiwfans, but I enjoyed the massage parlors.

I am heading back in March, but will have a travelling companion, so less opportunities to venture out, but will see what I can fit in.

Look forward to your comments, I feel I still have a lot to learn.

Cheers, and happy fucking.

I just finished 13 days staying in Bangkok, and I make a little resume, maybe it will help other members.

I was wanted to pass Cherry, Unfortunate is close now, maybe it will open again. I was having BB number and found her at Momoya Massage.

I was visiting manny times BB, all the times I get good service.

Visit a few times Tulip, but not every time good service. Even Gulf, not too much good service, getting bored, or I found her tired.

I visit also Wooden bar. Having manny new ladies, some beautiful. Mostly of the times good service.

Exceptionally good service was provide by G and number 55, both experience ladies in the shop.

Visit a few time Kasalong, Nan and Pon, giving a very good blowjob, every time.

In the rest nothing too much interesting. I pick some ladies in the room, mostly from Nana area. Prices good now, I don't thing having too much customers.

I hope it will someone my post.

For my it was a very good vacation, like every time in Bangkok.

Finally back in Bangkok after a long break. Arrived at the airport on Monday and I noticed how tourists were just streaming in again, and the traffic jams on the way into the city confirmed that things must be more or less back to normal. I did my homework the couple of days before (Big Thank You to all the posters who are keeping this forum alive) and began with my first beer Ritual at the Pub of choice.

I thought what better way to begin my trip than with a massage. After a long flight it just seems right.

Went to Analisa around 15:00 and there were 4 girls available to choose from. Chose a 90 Min session with Poy I believe her name was (late 20's, slim and great smile).

Went up the stairs and took a shower. Laid down on the bed with my friend dangling through the glory hole and the massage began. Rather nice technique, every now and then making sure my friend won't go to sleep.

After 45 Min of an average good massage Poy asked me to turn around and gave me BBBJ. Covered Cow girl followed and the session ended with a cleansing with warm towels. Went to the shower to clean the remaining oil and this completed session one.

I like this Massage place and recommend to try. Clean place.

In the evening went to Sri 11 and boy has this place changed: Many places I knew before (which included some of my favourites in the Sukhumvit area) are simply gone and / or have been replaced. Some interesting places there including Street Food places with good prices. Other places charge you 140-150 for a beer, so always check the Menu before you decide to stay. In general I still like this area for evening food and drink.

Day 2: Went to Kokoro and had a 60 Min session with Julia. Entered the place and sat down in front of the reception lady. Was offered a wet towel and paid. Julia was called and took me to the room.

I undressed and sat down in the middle of the shower room on a plastic chair with a split center. Was completely hosed down, soaped and hosed again which let into a BBBJ. Nice technique and deep.

She then prepared the mattress and I laid down on my front. The next 15-20 Min were a standard Nuru massage with B2 B sliding. Then turned around to repeat the same on the front. She then asked me if I wanted Sex on the mat race or on the bed. I opted for the mat race which developed into a slip and slide contest which made the whole thing quite entertaining. Finished and showered at the end.

I really recommend everyone to try a Nuru massage at least once.

Day 3: Booked Jam from Golden Escorts. Very easy communication with the agency and she showed up early at the agreed meeting point.

Went to the room and offered her a drink. She is Chinese / Thai mix, I think the pictures are real, although definitely dated as she gained some weight, has an enhanced Rack and a more tanned body. She started talking. And just wouldn't stop. Her English is really basic so I didn't understand half of what she was saying. But she was smiling a lot and had a good vibe. We had 2 pops: she is eager to please, keeps asking what I like, what I would like to do and she's very open minded, very passionate and too my taste a bit too dominating.

She enjoyed her time as well which she pointed out several times.

All in all it was a good date. I wouldn't repeat because we didn't have this special connection, but in general it was good service.

In the evening checked the scene around Nana, it was about 21:30. It might not be as busy as before Covid, but in my opinion there was a good crowd of people moving around. And I have to disagree with some earlier posts about there not being any talent around: I entered several Gogo bars in Nana and there were about 30-40 girls in almost every bar in all shapes and sizes. So IMHO there should be someone to everybody's liking. But I can understand how some people might feel: You get pickier with time, the expectations rise. It's like always returning to the same Restaurant. You just grow tired of the same old Menu.

Billboards and Lollipop would be leading my personal list of favourites here, but didn't get any takeout. Strolled down the street and the Pubs were rather quiet. Stumbled in at Hilary2 since there was a good crowd and they were playing what seemed to be Thai Rock music. Blindly ordered a beer and was astonished when I heard the price: 180 baht. I looked at the waitress and asked ' How Much ' ? Yes, I heard correctly the first time: 180 and she pointed at the drink Menu which was sitting right next to me on the counter. I should have turned around and left. But the bottle was open and I was thirsty. Lesson learned: For the same price you can get a Full Pint of draft! There was some interesting talent around Hilary2. Some young cuties, but didn't engage. Crossed the street to check out the scenery at the other Pubs: rather quiet. Not much talent here. Continued down the road and ran into a group of very young looking girls (too young if you know what I mean. Be careful guys. In case of doubt, check their ID). Went to the Stumble In and had a few drinks there and some nice chats. Talent there was average. Only 4 to 5's. But good to sit and watch the crowds passing by.

After this I decided to cross the street and check out the Beer garden area: It was now just after midnight and it was as good as dead. When BKK opened top after Covid this was the place to go to and now. In every Bar (of which half has disappeared since last year) there were about 8-12 people, mostly girls. No stunners.

More to follow.

Yes, I was in Hilary 2 a few times over the last few weeks and the beer prices are 180 b. Throw in a tip and it's 200 b. I don't drink a lot and also have a limit as to how much I do drink in an evening. Consequently, usually when I go in Hilary, I look for an empty bottle, pretend it's mine when the waitress comes over to clear, and tell her I don't want a drink. Either that or just shake my head. They do not make you buy a drink, at least that has been my experience. For one thing, they don't know how long you have been there.

As a price comparison, I am in Pattaya now. The whole town is one big bar so prices are very competitive. I had a BeerLao IPA (very good) last night for 110 b. The place did not have live music but beer and spirit prices overall are significantly cheaper — So are hotels and restaurants. I am staying in a very nice hotel about a five minute walk to TreeTown. The hotel is new, the room is twice the size of an average hotel room in lower Suk, has a microwave, large refrigerator, kitchen sink, pool view, patio, claw foot bath tub and rain shower, all for $40 USD. And freelances abound.

[QUOTE=Enjoy37;2785856]Finally back in Bangkok after a long break. Arrived at the airport on Monday and I noticed how tourists were just streaming in again, and the traffic jams on the way into the city confirmed that things must be more or less back to normal. I did my homework the couple of days before (Big Thank You to all the posters who are keeping this forum alive) and began with my first beer Ritual at the Pub of choice.

I thought what better way to begin my trip than with a massage. After a long flight it just seems right.

Went to Analisa around 15:00 and there were 4 girls available to choose from. Chose a 90 Min session with Poy I believe her name was (late 20's, slim and great smile).

Went up the stairs and took a shower. Laid down on the bed with my friend dangling through the glory hole and the massage began. Rather nice technique, every now and then making sure my friend won't go to sleep.

After 45 Min of an average good massage Poy asked me to turn around and gave me BBBJ. Covered Cow girl followed and the session ended with a cleansing with warm towels. Went to the shower to clean the remaining oil and this completed session one.

I like this Massage place and recommend to try. Clean place.

In the evening went to Sri 11 and boy has this place changed: Many places I knew before (which included some of my favourites in the Sukhumvit area) are simply gone and / or have been replaced. Some interesting places there including Street Food places with good prices. Other places charge you 140-150 for a beer, so always check the Menu before you decide to stay. In general I still like this area for evening food and drink.

Day 2: Went to Kokoro and had a 60 Min session with Julia. Entered the place and sat down in front of the reception lady. Was offered a wet towel and paid. Julia was called and took me to the room.

I undressed and sat down in the middle of the shower room on a plastic chair with a split center. Was completely hosed down, soaped and hosed again which let into a BBBJ. Nice technique and deep.

She then prepared the mattress and I laid down on my front. The next 15-20 Min were a standard Nuru massage with B2 B sliding. Then turned around to repeat the same on the front. She then asked me if I wanted Sex on the mat race or on the bed. I opted for the mat race which developed into a slip and slide contest which made the whole thing quite entertaining. Finished and showered at the end.

I really recommend everyone to try a Nuru massage at least once.

Day 3: Booked Jam from Golden Escorts. Very easy communication with the agency and she showed up early at the agreed meeting point.

Went to the room and offered her a drink. She is Chinese / Thai mix, I think the pictures are real, although definitely dated as she gained some weight, has an enhanced Rack and a more tanned body. She started talking. And just wouldn't stop. Her English is really basic so I didn't understand half of what she was saying. But she was smiling a lot and had a good vibe. We had 2 pops: she is eager to please, keeps asking what I like, what I would like to do and she's very open minded, very passionate and too my taste a bit too dominating.

She enjoyed her time as well which she pointed out several times.

All in all it was a good date. I wouldn't repeat because we didn't have this special connection, but in general it was good service.

In the evening checked the scene around Nana, it was about 21:30. It might not be as busy as before Covid, but in my opinion there was a good crowd of people moving around. And I have to disagree with some earlier posts about there not being any talent around: I entered several Gogo bars in Nana and there were about 30-40 girls in almost every bar in all shapes and sizes. So IMHO there should be someone to everybody's liking. But I can understand how some people might feel: You get pickier with time, the expectations rise. It's like always returning to the same Restaurant. You just grow tired of the same old Menu.

Billboards and Lollipop would be leading my personal list of favourites here, but didn't get any takeout. Strolled down the street and the Pubs were rather quiet. Stumbled in at Hilary2 since there was a good crowd and they were playing what seemed to be Thai Rock music. Blindly ordered a beer and was astonished when I heard the price: 180 baht. I looked at the waitress and asked ' How Much ' ? Yes, I heard correctly the first time: 180 and she pointed at the drink Menu which was sitting right next to me on the counter. I should have turned around and left. But the bottle was open and I was thirsty. Lesson learned: For the same price you can get a Full Pint of draft! There was some interesting talent around Hilary2. Some young cuties, but didn't engage. Crossed the street to check out the scenery at the other Pubs: rather quiet. Not much talent here. Continued down the road and ran into a group of very young looking girls (too young if you know what I mean. Be careful guys. In case of doubt, check their ID). Went to the Stumble In and had a few drinks there and some nice chats. Talent there was average. Only 4 to 5's. But good to sit and watch the crowds passing by.

After this I decided to cross the street and check out the Beer garden area: It was now just after midnight and it was as good as dead. When BKK opened top after Covid this was the place to go to and now. In every Bar (of which half has disappeared since last year) there were about 8-12 people, mostly girls. No stunners.

More to follow.[/QUOTE]

As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).

Prices are ridiculously high. Decent will be from 350-1100 baht per gram! Fucking expensive! 350 is outdoor, somewhat covered, not that tight. 800-900 is normal chronic bud. 1100 looks very good, super covered. You also see, mainly on the street, brick weed, from 80-100 per gram. But quality is poor. Several years ago, that stuff was $1 per gram in Cambodia.

That 350 stuff, I can get in California for about $5 per gram. The 800-900 is about $10-15 in CA. I can get the 1100 per gram stuff for about $50 per eighth (3.5 grams) in the CA. Every time I bought the expensive stuff, I got pissed off for being way too expensive.

A lot of the strains you buy are starting to be produced in Thailand.

I spoke with an American working the marijuana scene. He said the marijuana shops has to charge a lot because the indoor farms charges a lot, and also due to high taxes. He "said" that his clinic only makes, after taxes, about 200 per gram. He said he expects prices to drop substantially in about a year, after all the investors gets paid.

Also, the balloon (NO2) scene sucks here. In Khoa Sanh Road, they charge 100 baht for the "large" balloon. But that balloon is ridiculously small; it's a pencil balloon. The bars won't allow you to partake outside; you had to do it inside the bar. The scene is way better in Saigon's Bui Vien. It's everywhere; you can do it outside. And way cheaper. It's 100-150 VND for a huge balloon.

Our paths don't often cross, but we both had some free time so the world famous Monkey Paw and I hit Nana. If you don't know who he is, search. Regardless, hes hysterically funny, kind and a great party companion. We went to Billboard and Rainbows, had a few cocktails and laughs. Neither of us was really on the hunt, he was drained from an earlier session, me, I was cheeched out from a Truffle binge down at my buddies riverview duplex penthouse: bong hits and smoggy view. Anyway, he helped me navigate around and up and down the stairs (thanks for being nice to the old man!) and we had some great views of hotties and jiggling titties. I probably will need to go back to Billboard as there were some really slutty looking slinkies there, I thought the lineup in most of the places we stuck our head in were excellent. I also had a chance to make contact with my future wife (LOL) in Rainbow, maybe she will come by today. Who knows, who cares.

MP had to call it quits early so I went on to Thermae. Tons of hotties there and I chatted up a few, debated internally on two and decided that its a long weekend and ManU is on at 10 pm Saturday so best save the remnants of my manhood for later this weekend. By 1 am I was literally starving (few more bangs on the pipe didn't help) so off to munchie heaven, Margaita Storm where I packed a San Diego burrito into my drooling gob.

Lots of cuties on Suk late last night as I walked to get to the other side of the street for my 300 B plus toll ride home. I tipped the driver extra because he was driving me to near Nothanburi at 3 am without argument, and his home was in Samut Prakhan. Nothing beats a taxi ride on the empty Sirat with a bellyfull of booze and burrito.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2785921]As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).

Prices are ridiculously high. Decent will be from 350-1100 baht per gram! Fucking expensive! 350 is outdoor, somewhat covered, not that tight. 800-900 is normal chronic bud. 1100 looks very good, super covered. You also see, mainly on the street, brick weed, from 80-100 per gram. But quality is poor. Several years ago, that stuff was $1 per gram in Cambodia.

That 350 stuff, I can get in California for about $5 per gram. The 800-900 is about $10-15 in CA. I can get the 1100 per gram stuff for about $50 per eighth (3.5 grams) in the CA. Every time I bought the expensive stuff, I got pissed off for being way too expensive.

A lot of the strains you buy are starting to be produced in Thailand.

I spoke with an American working the marijuana scene. He said the marijuana shops has to charge a lot because the indoor farms charges a lot, and also due to high taxes. He "said" that his clinic only makes, after taxes, about 200 per gram. He said he expects prices to drop substantially in about a year, after all the investors gets paid.

Also, the balloon (NO2) scene sucks here. In Khoa Sanh Road, they charge 100 baht for the "large" balloon. But that balloon is ridiculously small; it's a pencil balloon. The bars won't allow you to partake outside; you had to do it inside the bar. The scene is way better in Saigon's Bui Vien. It's everywhere; you can do it outside. And way cheaper. It's 100-150 VND for a huge balloon.[/QUOTE]Any dispensary in the tourist areas is overpriced. Your American friend forgot to mention the overpriced rents. What do you think they pay for a storefront on Suk?

I pay half the tourist prices at my local, which is in a THai area. . Plus, being a long time stoner, I'm perfectly happy with old standbys instead of the "cool" strains. I've even found my fab, Durban Poison at a fair price.

Happy Smoking.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2785609]I think you should read HT's excellent summary posted yesterday.

www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=2785294&viewfull=1#post2785294

Went through your list quickly but don't think I saw the Pimp, Thaniya road, Patpong, and Khaosan Road for drunk civilians.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestions.

I left off The Pimp because I saw TheKaiser's post where he spent 30 k baht which is just crazy to me.

Thaniya Road is a good callout, so I added it.

I read lots of recent reports on Patpong and believe it's not up to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy levels these days so I left it off.

Khaosan Road is worth adding too. Even during the day it's worth a casual tourist stroll to buy some elephant pants.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2785921]As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).
[/QUOTE]While the prices are high it's nice to have the option. But all the girls I was with seemed to hate weed and frown upon its use. They were very negative when I suggested we try some (jokingly) and I quickly changed the subject. They can't stand the smell.

Which you can smell everywhere. Sukhumvit reeks of weed. I could even smell it in my hotel elevator. And I was staying at a nice hotel. Nto a backpacker's dive. Weed shops are sprouting up on every corner. They may soon outnumber the girly bars. Maybe a case of too much of a good thing?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2785967]While the prices are high it's nice to have the option. But all the girls I was with seemed to hate weed and frown upon its use. They were very negative when I suggested we try some (jokingly) and I quickly changed the subject. They can't stand the smell.

Which you can smell everywhere. Sukhumvit reeks of weed. I could even smell it in my hotel elevator. And I was staying at a nice hotel. Nto a backpacker's dive. Weed shops are sprouting up on every corner. They may soon outnumber the girly bars. Maybe a case of too much of a good thing?[/QUOTE]While there is a small coterie of Thai weed smokers, the majority of Thais prefer stimulants.

Old ladies in the villages love weed.

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Thaniya Road is a good callout, so I added it.

I read lots of recent reports on Patpong and believe it's not up to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy levels these days so I left it off.[/QUOTE]FYI Patpong the the next block running parallel to Thaniya.

I mentioned Khaosan more for night because I thought you mentioned you wanted civvy pickups areas.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2785972]While there is a small coterie of Thai weed smokers, the majority of Thais prefer stimulants.

Old ladies in the villages love weed.[/QUOTE]Young urban Thais are very much into weed. There are approx 2000 licensed shops in BKK alone. And most well outside tourist areas. But yes, the poor do like stimulants.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2785921]As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).

Prices are ridiculously high. Decent will be from 350-1100 baht per gram! Fucking expensive! 350 is outdoor, somewhat covered, not that tight. 800-900 is normal chronic bud. 1100 looks very good, super covered. You also see, mainly on the street, brick weed, from 80-100 per gram. But quality is poor. Several years ago, that stuff was $1 per gram in Cambodia.

That 350 stuff, I can get in California for about $5 per gram. The 800-900 is about $10-15 in CA. I can get the 1100 per gram stuff for about $50 per eighth (3.5 grams) in the CA. Every time I bought the expensive stuff, I got pissed off for being way too expensive.

A lot of the strains you buy are starting to be produced in Thailand.

I spoke with an American working the marijuana scene. He said the marijuana shops has to charge a lot because the indoor farms charges a lot, and also due to high taxes. He "said" that his clinic only makes, after taxes, about 200 per gram. He said he expects prices to drop substantially in about a year, after all the investors gets paid.

Also, the balloon (NO2) scene sucks here. In Khoa Sanh Road, they charge 100 baht for the "large" balloon. But that balloon is ridiculously small; it's a pencil balloon. The bars won't allow you to partake outside; you had to do it inside the bar. The scene is way better in Saigon's Bui Vien. It's everywhere; you can do it outside. And way cheaper. It's 100-150 VND for a huge balloon.[/QUOTE]VAT tax would be 7% like all other goods. There is no specific tax for marijuana like there is for alcohol because they haven't passed a bill regulating it yet. There seems to be plenty of supply. My guess, high rents and greed.

I have been wanting to try out the milking table service for a few years now and finally made a call last month.

The price seemed reasonable for 2 hrs and 2 girls. They were fairly enthusiastic and I had a good time but I didn't think the milking table adds to fun.

After about 30 minutes of massage on a fairly uncomfortable table. We just ended up on the bed. Still it was a threesome and I had a good time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2786143]FYI Patpong the the next block running parallel to Thaniya.

I mentioned Khaosan more for night because I thought you mentioned you wanted civvy pickups areas.[/QUOTE]Sorry I keep getting my BKK geography mixed up. Thaniya is that street tight nest to Patpong where all the Japanese-oriented bars and Izakaya are, right?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2786310]Sorry I keep getting my BKK geography mixed up. Thaniya is that street tight nest to Patpong where all the Japanese-oriented bars and Izakaya are, right?[/QUOTE]Correct. Where all the multi floor karaoke bars are. It's technically not the block beside Patpong but it's the next main street, running between Surawong and Silom. I consider all those little alley ways as Patpong.

Just some information to help my fellow bros on what I do in Bangkok and my game plan for getting action. I am born and brought up in London although of Indian / Arab background, mid 30's, and I tend to visit BKK around 2 or 3 times a year and have been doing this for around 7 to 8 years.

So, I tend to know all the little tricks and tips after gaining invaluable experience over the years (that includes good and bad experiences!

Below are simply my experiences and my own choices so don't berate me for my nasty shenanigans for it please!

GOGO Bars.

Patpong. Never visited but will do on my next trip.

Soi Cowboy. There are bars on the right-hand side (if walking from the main Asok road. Not sure if I am allowed to give the names of the bars) which are owned by a certain individual and is.

Very documented in these forums / google, these bars charge 1 lady drink as 2 and the bill very quickly surges. If you are a newbie, I would avoid these bars like the plague. You will notice the girls that work for these bars tend to be pushier by grabbing you and are hell of a lot hotter than the girls working for the other bars (they also tend to have pantyhose on and.

Very rarely have bare legs out on show).

If you do get roped in, you will also notice inside they are pretty much empty (bar maybe 1 or 2 other customers who have been roped in like you did). If you do go in and grab a girl, ensure you check each drink bill after each drink to ensure you are not getting scammed.

I have been into a couple of these bars over the years but have always been cautious and yes, the drink prices were higher but I didn't get scammed with additional drinks being added to my final bill but that was probably because they knew I was not a newbie. I was once in here and a young Chinese couple were literally fighting the bar staff presumably because their bill must have been inflated and it got very heated. If you are new to BKK, do not enter these bars unless you have the cash and are prepared to lose it. You are not allowed to bar fine any girls from these bars (and the girls tend to tell you upfront that is the case if you ask them) but I have managed to get numbers of a couple of girls and have had them back in my hotel after they finish their shift. Cost me around 5 k but was well worth it as the girl was gorgeous. All quietly done without the knowledge of the bar.

The other bars on the left are safer but I personally find it difficult to connect with the girls at Soi Cowboy than at Nana for some strange reason. Dollhouse have completely nude girls but they tend to be older and I don't find them attractive. Baccara / Tilac have better looking girls and bar fines are range from 700-1000 depending on the bar. I tend to visit the bars on the left and move from one to the next until I've found my poison for the night. Never visited Crazy Horse (bar located off cowboy) and neither tried due to this bar having an issue with certain backgrounds etc. Although I'the be interested to know if others similar to me have had any issues?

Nana. Now for me this is why I keep coming to Bangkok. On my last trip 2 weeks ago, I took away 4 girls on 4 different nights. 2 from Billboard, 1 from Butterflies and 1 from one of the Rainbows (heavens know which number. Why the fuck can't them come up with better names! Once within the bar, I tend to let the lady pick me rather than the other way around. I've found to receive much better service in the bedroom when a girl wants me as opposed to the girl I want (she's still got to be hot obviously). This tends to be done from eye contact. When I walk into a bar, there tends to be a few eyes on me (I am not trying to blow my own trumpet here!) but I work out, smell good and keep myself well-groomed so I think it's for this reason. I get the usual handsome bullshit from the girls, to the waitresses to the mamassan. But for me it's all in the eye contact with the girls. Within 5 minutes of a girl sitting down with me, I know whether she will be bar fined or not and this is evaluated from the conversation and the way she flirts back. Most guys should be able to pick this up. I can separate the bullshit from when a girl is being genuine and maybe that's just from experience. I tend to buy a couple of drinks and then get the 700-bar fine and ST 3 k fee sorted and take the girl back for the night of her dreams!

On 1 of those 4 occasions, the girl herself decided she would turn it into a LT and she left around 11 am the next morning (no extra payment made). On all 4 occasions I got BBFSCIP without asking and without paying a single baht extra. It just happened naturally on each occasion. You are playing around and she just puts it in. Perfect! Like your girlfriend would!

The girls that tend to provide this tend to be the younger girls I have found from experience. I'the say early to mid-20's. Although age is just a number and I'm sure older girls might but I think it just depends on you. I try to squeeze in 2 pops in the ST, if possible, before they have to rush back to the bar.

One tip I use is to bar fine say around midnight when the bar closes at 2 pm. You have a better chance of LT as the girl wouldn't go back to the bar afterwards (assuming she likes you of course alternatively you could negotiate a price with her at this point. I have had girls do LT with me even though I've paid ST on previous trips too.).

I was offered both ST and LT by the girls / mamassan so it wasn't just a case of them pushing for ST contrary to other reports where girls only want ST. Again, I think this is down to me looking, acting and talking a certain way. I am polite, gentleman-ish and treat them well and in return.

They treat me well. I treat her like my girlfriend in the bar and she then tends to treat me like her boyfriend in the bedroom. Very often I find guys absolutely ravaging girls in the bar on full show and many have told me they absolutely hate guys that do this. The girls did mention they will happily refuse to go with guys if they don't want to so I guess this might be a shift post Covid where the girls seem to have the control rather than the paying customer. I actually did have this happen to me with 1 girl in billboard on this trip - 21 years old, very hot, pretty new to the game but was very shy etc. Couldn't speak English well and I had already concluded I wouldn't bar fine.

Her due to these reasons but the mamassan came over and mentioned she had college early the next day so would be not bar-finable. (That could be true or it could also be she just didn't like me which is fair enough!

For me, Billboard is the best bar in Bangkok currently. For any newbie, my recommendation, start in either Billboard or Butterflies. Speak to the girls, have some drinks, bar-fine and then work your way to the other bars. Every girl I've bar fined here over the years have provided a very good service. They are probably the friendliest across the bars and have the best-looking girls without any push / pressure to buy drinks or bar-fine. You can quietly, and at your pace drink and watch the show. Best music and atmosphere for me but get there around 9 pm / 9. 30 pm as you probably won't find a seat if you come any later as it gets packed to the rafters. All bars in Bangkok are definitely suffering when it comes to the number of girls / patrons post Covid in comparison to numbers pre Covid but there is definitely enough to get action in the Gogo's if you plan and execute well. It's no use comparing to pre Covid as we live in a different world now when it comes to pricing.

Global inflation has an impact on everything. Prices in London for 1 HR with an average looking girl will set you back minimum £150 (that's 6 k baht). In the US, within the big cities, you are looking at a couple of hundred dollars at least (around 10 k baht). So, if in BKK you are getting ST for half.

That price, I'the say that's a bargain! And in my case sometimes LT! Again, with the girls, your mileage will vary.

Massage Parlours.

Aya Massage. Visited here and pre booked one of the girls. 2. 5 k for Nuru massage. Upon walking in, at around 3 pm, 20 hot girls lounging around in hot attire. Unfortunately, I had pre booked so no line up for me on this occasion. Pretty hot 27-year-old and I did the dirty deed. Got usual good service, BBBJ, kissing and covered FS. For me, AYA have the best-looking girls within these massage parlour type places. On my way out got the eyes and groping from a very cute young girl dressed as a schoolgirl but unfortunately couldn't get the time to come back and see her.

Daisy dream. Very good selection of girls when I walked in. Picked one and had the usual massage and again usual service BBBJ, kissing and covered FS. Good stable experience.

I do find these massage parlours a little but void of atmosphere / excitement and they tend to be a bit more mechanical which I guess is its role in getting you jacked off as soon as possible. I tend to use these massage parlours to get my daytime fix and then use.

GOGOs for the night time fix.

I wish they would open up a Macau style spa here in Bangkok one day. I think I would visit every month! 😊.

Other Massage Parlours I have visited in the past include Doki Doki, Casanova, Ola Ola, Picasso, Kokoro & Mitu. They pretty much offer the same thing and best thing to see the girls is either walk in or add them using Line / WeChat and they will provide an updated daily menu of which girls are working.

Regular Massage Parlours.

Now these are your regular massage places and differ slightly from the above but there is a gem of a spot (IMO) just besides Soi Cowboy. If you have walked the area, you know what I mean. There are around 5 - 7 massage places on this road and they all provide the same sort of service. On my last trip, I found there to be at least 2-3 hot girls at each parlour which were totally bangable. 500 for the initial regular massage and then at some point she will upsell and offer 500 for a HJ, 1000 for BJ, 2 k for FS. I negotiated and got FS for 1. 5 k Inc. Kissing. At one of the places (closest to cowboy), you are only separated by flimsy curtains to the next customer and the girl I had was not shy to say the least when it came to moaning. 😊 Apologies to the guy next to me! Once done, coming down the stairs, another girl groped my Johnson and offered round 2 after hearing all the noises. I had to politely decline.

Visited a number of these during the day to get my day fix. These are open till 1 am so if no success at Cowboy, I'the recommend you head here for some inexpensive way to get some quality action.

There is also a LB massage (if that floats your boat) place around Soi 7 on the main Sukhumvit road. Girls sit out on chairs with a menu. You will know what I am referring to if you have walked this road. Massage is around 500 then anything goes in the rooms, I'm sure. No experience of this so can't comment on anything further.

Pretty much completely opposite to this place on the other side of the main road is another regular massage place where you pretty much get the same service for the same price as I mentioned above but this place only has girls. This place has a huge number of girls around 10 to 15 sit out on the road and a lot are bangable.

BJ Bars.

No visits on this trip, but I find the girls not that attractive so avoided these. I'the prefer a massage and HJ from a hot girl (for 1 hour) rather than a BJ (10 minutes) from a less attractive girl for the same price.

(Just my opinion).

Thermae.

Did not visit and never have visited. It's on my list of TODO for my next trip in May 2023. But certainly, from walking the area, the number of girls around Thermae have declined massively! And from reports that's also true of inside. Pre covid, past 11 pm all the girls would be outside and there would be massive choice of hot girls (mixed in with some LB's LOL) but now it seems they just go home? Its pretty dead compared to before. I can't understand why as there seem to be lots of guys around wanting action. Same with in the bars, there seem to be lots of patrons and but it doesn't seem to match / tally up with the number of girls in some of the bars (in comparison to pre covid).

Thai Friendly / Online.

Had a dabble at this but success rate is not great and pretty much you end up with photoshopped / filtered / edited pictures which are not a true reflection of the girl. I'the not bother wasting time on this. Your time and money can be spent on more productive matters.

Non Hooker.

And to sign off, here is an interesting thing that happened to me which I've never had the joy of experiencing before which was getting some action with a non-working Thai girl (interesting being in the manner I somehow managed to get this lass in bed!) I had a 1 am flight out of BKK so had extended my check-out at the hotel to around 10 pm. On my final evening, I came back to my hotel at the Hyatt Regency after dinner and wandered across the hotel lobby and locked eyes with this girl who was getting drunk with a group of her friends. What have I been saying about eye contact? 😊.

She waved me over and invited me to have a drink with her! I said I'll go freshen up to my room after having walked which seemed like 50 miles in the Bangkok heat and come back down in 5 minutes. I wasn't actually planning to and she probably felt I wanted to just get away! I thought let me buy her 1 drink in the lobby and headed down but she unfortunately was no longer there. I wandered round the lobby and saw her waiting in the lobby area of the club with her friends located next to the hotel. Their group consisted off 3 girls and 2 guys. I went up and she and her friends instantly jumped on me (female friends!) as if they had just met their long-lost lover! They were drunk! Pretty sweet 22-year-old student on a night out with her friends. Bought her a drink in the club and told her I had to head off to catch a flight. I literally had 30 minutes before I should be in a cab to the airport. She gave me the eyes and insisted she join for my final 30 minutes in Bangkok! Huh?! She knew what she wanted and it took me a couple of minutes to register but so did I eventually. Took her back to the room and we did what 2 consenting adults usually do. Pretty amazing 30 minutes if I say so myself. BBFSCIP to end the trip. Result! I took the cab and she went back to the club to party the night away. Still can't comprehend this actually happened! Got her number and going to meet up on my next trip for some more dirty shenanigans.

In summary I would say there is still ample opportunity to get action in Bangkok with hot girls. Yes, it's a little bit pricier and there are less girls around than before but you just have to work a little bit harder now to get that action in comparison to pre-covid. Challenge accepted! Bring on May!

[QUOTE=Phil65;2786290]I have been wanting to try out the milking table service for a few years now and finally made a call last month.

The price seemed reasonable for 2 hrs and 2 girls. They were fairly enthusiastic and I had a good time but I didn't think the milking table adds to fun.

After about 30 minutes of massage on a fairly uncomfortable table. We just ended up on the bed. Still it was a threesome and I had a good time.[/QUOTE]I saw their ad on Massage Republic and wondered about them. Might give them a go when I return in September!!

I feel like there should be a pinned post feature or. Read this before going through 40 pages. Anyway, I got to ask again what so many have already asked in the past:

What are the best areas for mongering?

What are the average prices?

Where can you get the best bang for the buck?

[QUOTE=SamSiyani69;2786465]Just some information to help my fellow bros on what I do in Bangkok and my game plan for getting action. I am born and brought up in London although of Indian / Arab background, mid 30's, and I tend to visit BKK around 2 or 3 times a year and have been doing this for around 7 to 8 years.
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In summary I would say there is still ample opportunity to get action in Bangkok with hot girls. Yes, it's a little bit pricier and there are less girls around than before but you just have to work a little bit harder now to get that action in comparison to pre-covid. Challenge accepted! Bring on May![/QUOTE]Good report, thanks for taking the time to post. Good information, well organized, well written. I'm far different person than you (I'm a really old farang) but your experiences are consistent with my experiences.

This long post is recommended reading for those who are not highly familiar with the Bangkok P4P scene.

Hey guys.

Has anyone used the above service? Its outcall only so they don't have any spas, and the prices seem reasonable. Its normal massage (non erotic) so may not float your boat.

Was wanting to use it when I'm there so wanted to get any feedback if the therapists are good and its not a scam etc.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2786506]Good report, thanks for taking the time to post. Good information, well organized, well written. I'm far different person than you (I'm a really old farang) but your experiences are consistent with my experiences.

This long post is recommended reading for those who are not highly familiar with the Bangkok P4P scene.[/QUOTE]Agreed. His description of Billboard is spot on. A word of warning: they have a fab big screen for sports, but the scenery is distracting. I missed Casemiro getting red carded last night because the new dancers were parading, thank god for replays!

Also, plenty of salivating falang girls, don't forget you are competing against them too.

Thermae was empy at midnight, simply because the girls were getting snatched up fast. On the other hand, the street bars were rocking.

The best looking girl I saw all night was in a weed store. I'm in love. I told her so. I said sweetie, I am an old and fat American and I love you. You are my girlfriend!

She smiled and told me to come back tomorrow. Maybe I should sponsor her to keep her home? Is that something you can do with girls here?

Thanks for a great writeup as I am new to the scene. Going in a couple of months.

In your "massage" options, what does the price include? E,g for AVA, the deluxe option is 3500 for 90 minutes. What can I expect in this price? Thats close to $150 so hoping it better be good.

[QUOTE=SamSiyani69;2786465]Just some information to help my fellow bros on what I do in Bangkok and my game plan for getting action. I am born and brought up in London although of Indian / Arab background, mid 30's, and I tend to visit BKK around 2 or 3 times a year and have been doing this for around 7 to 8 years.

So, I tend to know all the little tricks and tips after gaining invaluable experience over the years (that includes good and bad experiences!

Below are simply my experiences and my own choices so don't berate me for my nasty shenanigans for it please!

GOGO Bars.

Patpong. Never visited but will do on my next trip.

Soi Cowboy. There are bars on the right-hand side (if walking from the main Asok road. Not sure if I am allowed to give the names of the bars) which are owned by a certain individual and is.

Very documented in these forums / google, these bars charge 1 lady drink as 2 and the bill very quickly surges. If you are a newbie, I would avoid these bars like the plague. You will notice the girls that work for these bars tend to be pushier by grabbing you and are hell of a lot hotter than the girls working for the other bars (they also tend to have pantyhose on and.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SilviuO;2785697]

I was wanted to pass Cherry, Unfortunate is close now, maybe it will open again. I was having BB number and found her at Momoya Massage.

[/QUOTE]I phoned Cherry recently and the mamasan / receptionist said the Cherry shop on Soi 24/1 was closed for renovation and that the girls were working out of Momoya Massage.

I asked who was available and was given 6 names of which I recognized three who were of interest from the Cherry line up. I told the mamasan / receptionist my choice of girl and time and that was agreed. She told me to go to Soi 26 and look for a Dream Heaven Massage sign and then turn down that side street and when I walked down there I would see Momoya and the girl would be waiting. I had a look on Google Maps and it said Momoya Massage was on Soi 22 and was permanently closed but I know Google Maps is not reliable currently on massage shops. So I walked past the old cherry shop on Soi 24/1 on my way to Soi 26 and there were workers inside the Cherry shop doing renovation. So I figured it was as she said.

Found Momoya and paid 2200 for 90 minutes. Mint appeared, she is 32 years old (website says 22 but I knew she would be older), with one child. Smallish boobs with some baby damage on stomach and maybe 80% like the website photos. Service was shower, massage, oral, rimming, sex, shower. She was a bit reserved when we first met and stuck to her routine but she chilled out as we went along and went with the flow of what I wanted with no hang ups. She said she worked every day. Also if I phoned the shop next time and asked for her then even if she was not in the shop she could be there within a few minutes. So I guess that means they still need customers.

WIR. Yes.

The mamasan said the renovated Cherry shop would be open again in a few weeks time.

[QUOTE=SamSiyani69;2786465]Just some information to help my fellow bros on what I do in Bangkok and my game plan for getting action. I am born and brought up in London although of Indian / Arab background, mid 30's, and I tend to visit BKK around 2 or 3 times a year and have been doing this for around 7 to 8 years.

In summary I would say there is still ample opportunity to get action in Bangkok with hot girls. Yes, it's a little bit pricier and there are less girls around than before but you just have to work a little bit harder now to get that action in comparison to pre-covid. Challenge accepted! Bring on May![/QUOTE]Good man, and great report. You must emit some intoxicating charm that others of us never had or have lost. That last minute fun with the college student is a trophy to hang on your wall! Hope I can get some (very) old mojo back and follow your inspiration next time in BKK. Cheers.

Finally returned to Bangkok after a week in Pattaya and I got to say I almost forgot how much prettier the girls are in Bangkok vs Pattaya. Not to say there isn't anything worth fucking in Pattaya, but it doesn't have the same quality and variety. Many pretty girls in Nana today. I think most of the places I went into I saw many 7's, a couple of 8's and overall not many girls below a 6. Which to me that means I would gladly fuck anyone of them without regretting it. Bar fines are reasonable too at 700ST and 1000 LT. I didn't really take any girl home so I don't actually know how much they are asking for. Thermae had many hot girls too. One quoted me 2. 5 k and a couple quoted me 3 k. My preference are the massage parlors which I plan on visiting tomorrow once I get some rest after the long bus ride from Pattaya.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2785921]As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).

Prices are ridiculously high. Decent will be from 350-1100 baht per gram! Fucking expensive! 350 is outdoor, somewhat covered, not that tight. 800-900 is normal chronic bud. 1100 looks very good, super covered. You also see, mainly on the street, brick weed, from 80-100 per gram. But quality is poor. Several years ago, that stuff was $1 per gram in Cambodia.

That 350 stuff, I can get in California for about $5 per gram. The 800-900 is about $10-15 in CA. I can get the 1100 per gram stuff for about $50 per eighth (3.5 grams) in the CA. Every time I bought the expensive stuff, I got pissed off for being way too expensive.

A lot of the strains you buy are starting to be produced in Thailand.

I spoke with an American working the marijuana scene. He said the marijuana shops has to charge a lot because the indoor farms charges a lot, and also due to high taxes. He "said" that his clinic only makes, after taxes, about 200 per gram. He said he expects prices to drop substantially in about a year, after all the investors gets paid.
[/QUOTE]Heard similar last year, and when I went, prices were pretty absurdly high compared to the US, but people from UK and other places don't see it the same way as people who lived or went to places in the US with legal weed that its very cheap in the US, thailand was insane high. Most of last year the weed and edibles they said was imported mostly from California, as Thailand didn't really have much production and the sellers in the tourist areas wouldn't be getting it first anyways. They thought prices would come down but no one really knows because its selling at this price, so they may just get a better markup. Also be aware, a lot of pre-rolls and such in thailand will be weed mixed with tobacco. Heavy on the tobacco.

[QUOTE=SamSiyani69;2786465]Never visited Crazy Horse (bar located off cowboy) and neither tried due to this bar having an issue with certain backgrounds etc. Although I'the be interested to know if others similar to me have had any issues?[/QUOTE]Once I had the doorman gave me the bad look and tell me the place is "Heea free" (in Thai), which meant "don't misbehave inside". I've been in that place a couple of times, each time it was shit, I don't get it why the place is always packed.

[QUOTE=SamSiyani69;2786465]Aya Massage. Visited here and pre booked one of the girls. 2. 5 k for Nuru massage. Upon walking in, at around 3 pm, 20 hot girls lounging around in hot attire
Daisy dream. Very good selection of girls when I walked in.[/QUOTE]A bit hard to believe.

I was a huge fan of these oilies pre-covid and most of the times we could find only a few doable girls in one place (not even talking about hot, doable just being cute or slim most of the time). Post-covid, the selection is even harder with lots of places not even having a single doable girl inside. This makes me believe these girls you talked about earlier were probably not that "hot" also.

[QUOTE=SamSiyani69;2786465]Pretty much completely opposite to this place on the other side of the main road is another regular massage place where you pretty much get the same service for the same price as I mentioned above but this place only has girls. This place has a huge number of girls around 10 to 15 sit out on the road and a lot are bangable.[/QUOTE]Seems like you're talking about the Nangseeda shop located across Sukhumvit road, right down the Nana BTS stairs.

Went there once pre-covid, thought that I would go with the flow and I would negotiate with the girl upstairs but was a complete waste of time, she wanted 3000 baht for 1 hour on top of the 500 baht for the "regular massage" and would offer only 1 shot. When I refused the deal she kept saying some bullshit like she was losing money because she has to pay the shop each time she goes up with a customer.

The place is very pricey for girls all over 30 or even 40, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.

Anyway thanks for the good report, it was still informative for a guy like me, that don't pay much attention to the gogo scene when I'm in Bkk or Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2786644]Good man, and great report. You must emit some intoxicating charm that others of us never had or have lost. That last minute fun with the college student is a trophy to hang on your wall! Hope I can get some (very) old mojo back and follow your inspiration next time in BKK. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Definitely was and highly doubt it will happen again. Right place and at the right time!

[QUOTE=FeedSubject;2786604]Thanks for a great writeup as I am new to the scene. Going in a couple of months.

In your "massage" options, what does the price include? E,g for AVA, the deluxe option is 3500 for 90 minutes. What can I expect in this price? Thats close to $150 so hoping it better be good.[/QUOTE]I had the Nuru which I think was 3 k. The deluxe option is simply a massage and sex without the Nuru for 90 minutes. If you've never experienced Nuru then I'd definitely try that as with the right girl its pretty amazing. Basically you shower with the girl where she will clean you up (you can participate in some mutual touching / groping at this stage) and then she will take out the rubber table thing and get you to lie down, and rub the nuru gel all over you and herself. You get a body to body and then you pretty much have some great sliding sex with the nuru gel on.

Arrived a few days ago. Late flight arrived couple of hours late and went to my usual hotel on Soi 11. At 2:30 am the traffic was horrendous. The new beer bars and street walkers have transformed Soi 11 to Nana Plaza. There is a huge contingent of ladyboy street walkers that all the local Thais have commented on to me. Also, the cannabis dealers are openly selling out of small truck and is even has a retail location in my hotel.

What was once a nice Soi for families and normal folks has been transformed in to a cross of Nana and Cowboy that has made this Soi now unacceptable for normal folks.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2786798]Arrived a few days ago. Late flight arrived couple of hours late and went to my usual hotel on Soi 11. At 2:30 am the traffic was horrendous. The new beer bars and street walkers have transformed Soi 11 to Nana Plaza. There is a huge contingent of ladyboy street walkers that all the local Thais have commented on to me. Also, the cannabis dealers are openly selling out of small truck and is even has a retail location in my hotel.

What was once a nice Soi for families and normal folks has been transformed in to a cross of Nana and Cowboy that has made this Soi now unacceptable for normal folks.[/QUOTE]Two decades ago lower Suk was not a "family place. " After the shops closed, say about 9:00 pm or so, the street was lined with working girls and about the only foot traffic was men who were looking to meet them. At that time the sidewalk market ended at soi 11. There were also no street bars. It was charmingly sleazy. Of course now I don't find anything particularly charming about it, but not being family-friendly? Do you expect it to be family friendly? Maybe there are some places on the planet that should actually be for adults.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2786743]Finally returned to Bangkok after a week in Pattaya and I got to say I almost forgot how much prettier the girls are in Bangkok vs Pattaya. Not to say there isn't anything worth fucking in Pattaya, but it doesn't have the same quality and variety. Many pretty girls in Nana today. I think most of the places I went into I saw many 7's, a couple of 8's and overall not many girls below a 6. Which to me that means I would gladly fuck anyone of them without regretting it. Bar fines are reasonable too at 700ST and 1000 LT. I didn't really take any girl home so I don't actually know how much they are asking for. Thermae had many hot girls too. One quoted me 2. 5 k and a couple quoted me 3 k. My preference are the massage parlors which I plan on visiting tomorrow once I get some rest after the long bus ride from Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Wow!

You need photo evidence. I'm just not seeing what you seeing.

Most Bana girls are no higher than average.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2786779]Heard similar last year, and when I went, prices were pretty absurdly high compared to the US, but people from UK and other places don't see it the same way as people who lived or went to places in the US with legal weed that its very cheap in the US, thailand was insane high. Most of last year the weed and edibles they said was imported mostly from California, as Thailand didn't really have much production and the sellers in the tourist areas wouldn't be getting it first anyways. They thought prices would come down but no one really knows because its selling at this price, so they may just get a better markup. Also be aware, a lot of pre-rolls and such in thailand will be weed mixed with tobacco. Heavy on the tobacco.[/QUOTE]'Muricans and Canadians are spoiled with weed prices. Now think about being Japanese or Korean, would you object to $30 baht a gram weed if it calls for death in your own country LOL.

I saw a group of Japanese in the Nana beergarden last night. They were oooohing and ahhhing as they ground their gram and rolled a joint, like I remember the boys doing when I started smoking as a teenager in the 60's. It was a cool ritual then, now I just stuff the pipe. Meanwhile, some Japanese youngster rolls a joint and they all applaud and say Banzai.

Re the warning on pre rolls: if you are a real stoner, pass.

Sunday night: Billboard full of hotties. Thermae dead.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2786815]Two decades ago lower Suk was not a "family place. " After the shops closed, say about 9:00 pm or so, the street was lined with working girls and about the only foot traffic was men who were looking to meet them. At that time the sidewalk market ended at soi 11. There were also no street bars. It was charmingly sleazy. Of course now I don't find anything particularly charming about it, but not being family-friendly? Do you expect it to be family friendly? Maybe there are some places on the planet that should actually be for adults.[/QUOTE]"Family Friendly" is subject to differing interpretations. Going back to the early 2000's, Soi 11 was not known as budding redlight district. Efforts were even trending to clean up the Soi when they closed up the massage operations next to the old Villa Market site. Tearing down the old buildings around the Cheap Charlie's Bar was supposed to gentrify the Soi. However, for what ever reasons, the construction ran in to problems and what arose from the location was a mish match of beer bars and restaurants with alot of women thrown in.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2786846]"Family Friendly" is subject to differing interpretations. Going back to the early 2000's, Soi 11 was not known as budding redlight district. Efforts were even trending to clean up the Soi when they closed up the massage operations next to the old Villa Market site. Tearing down the old buildings around the Cheap Charlie's Bar was supposed to gentrify the Soi. However, for what ever reasons, the construction ran in to problems and what arose from the location was a mish match of beer bars and restaurants with alot of women thrown in.[/QUOTE]In the early 2000's Soi 11 was nothing except Cheap Charlie's and a few restaurants. It was actually very lively in the late 00's and the early 10's with the van bars. Quite fun. The clubs that opened on 11 were always full of working girls. The "clean up" post 2014 did change the Soi although the clubs were still packed with p4 p gals. Covid pretty much decimated the Soi and what has returned including the type of tourists you see in the area leaves a lot to be desired.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2786848]Covid pretty much decimated the Soi and what has returned including the type of tourists you see in the area leaves a lot to be desired.[/QUOTE]Please explain what you mean by "leaves a lot to be desired." Certainly it isn't family friendly, but it seems to me that Soi 11 is more upscale/expensive now than it was 5 years ago.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2786601]
The best looking girl I saw all night was in a weed store. I'm in love. I told her so. I said sweetie, I am an old and fat American and I love you. You are my girlfriend!

She smiled and told me to come back tomorrow. Maybe I should sponsor her to keep her home? Is that something you can do with girls here?[/QUOTE]You can certainly sponsor a girl by sending money through Moneygram, Wise, or any number of other services. In fact, I do that now, with the explicit agreement that neither of us are limiting each other's activities; she can still find other guys for p4 p or fun if she wants, and she knows I have a local sugar baby back home. The reason I'm supporting her is that I want her to have a bit more financial freedom, and feel more free to decline potential customers who are rude or seem dangerous. I didn't start supporting her until after we had months of texts and video calls, and I decided she was someone I could trust, and who I wanted a long-term regular emotional connection with.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2786866]Please explain what you mean by "leaves a lot to be desired." Certainly it isn't family friendly, but it seems to me that Soi 11 is more upscale/expensive now than it was 5 years ago.[/QUOTE]Have you seen the type of folks roaming lower Sukhumvit these days? Myself and most of the locals I know want a shower after just walking down the street. Before COVID lower Suk was a little over half tourists, now it's well over 75%. And I'm sorry for a resident and for many locals that makes for a not so wonderful place to be.

Upscale? You mean like the folks that eat at Salt Bae's? No thanks. I preferred it when it was juat expats and mongers. It was far less icky for lack of a better word. I'll believe it's upscale when they upscale locals start frequenting the area.

If it weren't for the excellent Arabic food I'd never venture between Asoke and Ploenchit. I'm really hoping the area improves.

[QUOTE=ChaChumplin;2786817]Wow!

You need photo evidence. I'm just not seeing what you seeing.

Most Bana girls are no higher than average.[/QUOTE]Just go to Billboard's tonight. That place to me is full of 7's and 6's. If they aren't your thing then I'm not sure Thailand has much to offer you because you're not going to find Miss Thailand working at a go go bar.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2786909]Just go to Billboard's tonight. That place to me is full of 7's and 6's. If they aren't your thing then I'm not sure Thailand has much to offer you because you're not going to find Miss Thailand working at a go go bar.[/QUOTE]As Nyezhov mentioned Billboard was great last night. I'm usually a one beer at each bar kind of guy but last night I comfortably sat in the same chair for a couple hours at Billboard. It's a huge change from a couple weeks ago when I wouldn't even buy one beer there because all the girls were thick.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2786913]As Nyezhov mentioned Billboard was great last night. I'm usually a one beer at each bar kind of guy but last night I comfortably sat in the same chair for a couple hours at Billboard. It's a huge change from a couple weeks ago when I wouldn't even buy one beer there because all the girls were thick.[/QUOTE]I was there last night too. It was great.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2786838]'Muricans and Canadians are spoiled with weed prices. Now think about being Japanese or Korean, would you object to $30 baht a gram weed if it calls for death in your own country LOL.

I saw a group of Japanese in the Nana beergarden last night. They were oooohing and ahhhing as they ground their gram and rolled a joint, like I remember the boys doing when I started smoking as a teenager in the 60's. It was a cool ritual then, now I just stuff the pipe. Meanwhile, some Japanese youngster rolls a joint and they all applaud and say Banzai.

Re the warning on pre rolls: if you are a real stoner, pass.

Sunday night: Billboard full of hotties. Thermae dead.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update bro. I grew up in NY during the Woodstock era, and am still at it! Anyway, just wondering what you have against pre-rolls? For me, they are quite convenient and do the job!

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2786503]I feel like there should be a pinned post feature or. Read this before going through 40 pages. [/QUOTE]If ONLY there was a function like that, not only for Thailand, but for other countries as well. Even a tutorial on how to search, to easily find other posts from an author that's written an informative one. What a wonderful world that would be.

[QUOTE=SamSiyani69;2786465]My Bangkok Experience[/QUOTE]REALLY NICE FR, plenty of useful info. I understand the time and effort it takes, so well done. Put a link to the report in the ROD's (Reports of Distinction thread).

(hint, hint).
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL]

[QUOTE=UphillJimmy;2785672]2 Weeks Bangkok and Pattaya[/QUOTE]Another well done for your FR; as I said, time and effort appreciated. Put a link to the report in the ROD's (Reports of Distinction thread).

Agree with you on the DISCOMFORT of the plastic split seat; for me, not worth the discomfort for the access it provides.

The same as McDonald's, there's always some clowns (seemingly always ahead of me) who take forever to make a decision (Big Mac, fries - large, small; drink - large, small; oh, I could have that in a combo meal, let me see[s]...[/s]. Or maybe I'll take the McNuggets - how many nuggets in a box? And let me get my friends' opinions because I certainly can't make up my own mind). It's not a life altering decision. Take a look at the lineup or the tablet, pick one that you like, and that's it. Come back tomorrow to try [I]something[/I] else. Talk about a kid in a candy store. In those cases, I think the mamasan should allow waiting customers to jump the queue when someone is taking an excessive amount of time to decide. Geesh.

Try Don Quixote on Soi 26 - you know nuru, so take the TUB option. Nice scrub in a tub, then onto a bed for some action. It's [B]NOT[/B] Soi 2's Annies (RIP), but a passible substitute.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2785956]Thanks for the suggestions.

I read lots of recent reports on Patpong and believe it's not up to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy levels these days so I left it off.[/QUOTE]Yea, but [S]...[/S] I would take him to Meet The World, buy him a beer and a BJ (buying lady drink (s) for however many [I]butterflies[/I] he wants. Yes, they're not lookers, but with a lady drink, they do don their battle gear (birthday suits), and they do have certain [I]talents[/I]). My best friend did that for me at SOL (RIP) and it's something we laughed about for decades.

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2786927]Thanks for the update bro. I grew up in NY during the Woodstock era, and am still at it! Anyway, just wondering what you have against pre-rolls? For me, they are quite convenient and do the job![/QUOTE]I'm not sure why he told you to avoid the prerolls in Thailand, but in the USA prerolls are often filled with lesser quality material (shake, trim, small buds, old material etc).

I had a really nice Nuru massage today for 3 k baht. More expensive then I thought it would be, but I really enjoyed it. The girl was a petite slim thing that had a lot of work done on her. Looked to have had a nose job done and definitely fake tits, but overall she looked really good. I would give her a solid 7. When I was presented with the lineup there were maybe a dozen girls that were presented to me. Most of them looked alright, it's just hard to tell since they all wore dresses on so I couldn't be sure if they had nice bodies or not. Their faces were average, and I would say most girls were young with a few that looked to be in their late 30's to early 40's. I was actually worried about the girl I chose because while she looked to be slim the dress made her seem like she had some baby damage, but I was completely wrong. That girl had a nice toned body with not an ounce of fat on her or any baby marks. Too bad her tits were fake because when she was slipping and sliding on me it felt like I being massaged by a balloon. But she gave a really good BBBJ and the CFS was really good as she was extremely tight. I would definitely go here again, but maybe not do a nuru massage. I forget how much the other menu items were, but I'm pretty sure they were less then 3 K.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2786867]You can certainly sponsor a girl by sending money through Moneygram, Wise, or any number of other services. In fact, I do that now, with the explicit agreement that neither of us are limiting each other's activities; she can still find other guys for p4 p or fun if she wants, and she knows I have a local sugar baby back home. The reason I'm supporting her is that I want her to have a bit more financial freedom, and feel more free to decline potential customers who are rude or seem dangerous. I didn't start supporting her until after we had months of texts and video calls, and I decided she was someone I could trust, and who I wanted a long-term regular emotional connection with.[/QUOTE]This is going to lead to a sad post soon.

I am sure this lady's Thai boyfriend appreciates the money you are sending him.

Just arrived yesterday (Monday Feb 6), pretty tired but wanted to do some exploring just to see what's up. Things ended up being insane.

Full disclosure. My tastes trend towards the expensive, and I was / am hosting a guest.

Visited Billboard at 11 PM with a friend. Place was packed, no sofas infilled, no tables available. Only bar stools. Lots of girls, fairly decently looking, bought lady drinks for two of them and some others. They wanted us to take back, but we had something else on itinerary, so passed. Total damage, about 2 k baht for four drinks, four lady drinks, and some tips. Reasonable.

Next, went to The Pimp at roughly midnight. Was slightly disappointed because the mamasan was only able to bring out 20 girls. She was a bit apologetic, advised that Mondays were slow and we were kinda late (which was fair). Advised that if we came Wednesday at around 10, she would have 150 girls available. Even so, the average quality was very high, much higher than anywhere else I visited, and I'm picky (Chinese American, very Asian standards). Was able to find a super hot one and an attractive one. Both very slim, early / mid 20's, very good English. Bought a good bottle, played drinking games for almost 2. 5 hours before leaving at 2 AM. I let my friend have the super hot one, and while she initially said she wouldn't go to the hotel (because she had to get up early for her job in finance), she later told my friend that she'the be willing to see him privately. Mine told me she'the be willing to go, but I passed. Girls had wonderful attitudes, and it didn't feel sleazy at all. Plan to go again for a VIP room. Will report back. Was tremendous fun but not for budget sexpats or cheap Charlie's. Total damage was around 16 k baht. 5 k for the bottle (mixers were free), 8 k in sitting fees for the two girls (they only charged us 2 hrs - 3000 for first HR, 1000 for second, which is standard, even though it was more like 2. 5 hrs), 1 k for food, and 2 k for the mamasan.

After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared. Eventually had to ask security to take her away, and they were as bemused / shocked as I was. Got different keycards from them, tipped the two security guys 1 k baht each because they probably saved me from a heart attack. Now I'm trying to unwind from this crazy end to what was a pleasant evening.

Key takeaways: Nana is doing well, The Pimp is awesome fun if you have a decent wallet and want something that feels classier, and stay the fuck away from telegram.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787065]Total damage was around 16 k baht. 5 k for the bottle (mixers were free), 8 k in sitting fees for the two girls (they only charged us 2 hrs - 3000 for first HR, 1000 for second, which is standard, even though it was more like 2. 5 hrs), 1 k for food, and 2 k for the mamasan.[/QUOTE]Thanks for providing the current pricing for The Pimp. Just a few questions. Is there bottle service there or do I need to buy another 5 k baht bottle on every visit? What is the 2 k for mamasan for? Barfine? Mandatory or optional tip? Since you chose 2 girls would it be the same 16 k total for 2 guys?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2786981]This is going to lead to a sad post soon.

I am sure this lady's Thai boyfriend appreciates the money you are sending him.[/QUOTE]I should have labeled my original post about sponsorship as irony.

[QUOTE=LoneRangers;2786934]I'm not sure why he told you to avoid the prerolls in Thailand, but in the USA prerolls are often filled with lesser quality material (shake, trim, small buds, old material etc).[/QUOTE]Exactly.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2786981]This is going to lead to a sad post soon.

I am sure this lady's Thai boyfriend appreciates the money you are sending him.[/QUOTE]Sad post sometime in the future, maybe.

Thai boyfriend, I doubt it. During the few months I've been talking to her, she's gone through two local guys: a young simp from China who doesn't speak Thai or English and ended up trying to cheat on her, and a tattooed deadbeat player / fuckboy from Hong Kong.

I know the odds in this situation are not good for me, but I choose to play anyway. My money, my type of fun.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2787135]Thanks for providing the current pricing for The Pimp. Just a few questions. Is there bottle service there or do I need to buy another 5 k baht bottle on every visit? What is the 2 k for mamasan for? Barfine? Mandatory or optional tip? Since you chose 2 girls would it be the same 16 k total for 2 guys?[/QUOTE]So a couple of things to follow up on. Minimum spend for entry is either 1 k baht entry fee per guest (comes with two drinks for each guest), OR crack a 4 k baht minimum bottle for the group. However, seating also has minimums. If you want one of the nice couches, you or your group needs to pick at least three girls, whereas if you choose one of the four-seater tables, only one girl needs to be picked. I believe they will store remaining liquor for you, but unsure since was first trip. Mixers were free. RE the mamasan tip, I did a lot of KTVs and I would call it an optional tip you should definitely give. You probably can not give it, but as she's the gateway to the girls it's a fairly bad idea and bad form if you think you might ever be a repeat visitor. Did not request to take out, so didn't inquire further on if there is a barfine or not, but previous reports I read said there is not.

FYI. It also seems the website is somewhat out of date. The WeChat barcode leads to a group which has been blacklisted by the app, the pricing part talks about a 20 k for 6 bottles package (is only 5 now) and a 30% discount on girl fees as a "gold member" if you buy the package (said discount no longer exists), the girl requirement on the site says 0/4 for table / couch (is actually 1/3 now), etc. So, just be aware.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787065]After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared.[/QUOTE]Of course, I read the above right before I go to bed. Fucking David Lynchian nightmare fuel.

Glad you're okay.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787065]Just arrived yesterday (Monday Feb 6), pretty tired but wanted to do some exploring just to see what's up. Things ended up being insane.

Full disclosure. My tastes trend towards the expensive, and I was / am hosting a guest.

Visited Billboard at 11 PM with a friend. Place was packed, no sofas infilled, no tables available. Only bar stools. Lots of girls, fairly decently looking, bought lady drinks for two of them and some others. They wanted us to take back, but we had something else on itinerary, so passed. Total damage, about 2 k baht for four drinks, four lady drinks, and some tips. Reasonable.

Next, went to The Pimp at roughly midnight. Was slightly disappointed because the mamasan was only able to bring out 20 girls. She was a bit apologetic, advised that Mondays were slow and we were kinda late (which was fair). Advised that if we came Wednesday at around 10, she would have 150 girls available. Even so, the average quality was very high, much higher than anywhere else I visited, and I'm picky (Chinese American, very Asian standards). Was able to find a super hot one and an attractive one. Both very slim, early / mid 20's, very good English. Bought a good bottle, played drinking games for almost 2. 5 hours before leaving at 2 AM. I let my friend have the super hot one, and while she initially said she wouldn't go to the hotel (because she had to get up early for her job in finance), she later told my friend that she'the be willing to see him privately. Mine told me she'the be willing to go, but I passed. Girls had wonderful attitudes, and it didn't feel sleazy at all. Plan to go again for a VIP room. Will report back. Was tremendous fun but not for budget sexpats or cheap Charlie's. Total damage was around 16 k baht. 5 k for the bottle (mixers were free), 8 k in sitting fees for the two girls (they only charged us 2 hrs - 3000 for first HR, 1000 for second, which is standard, even though it was more like 2. 5 hrs), 1 k for food, and 2 k for the mamasan.

After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared. Eventually had to ask security to take her away, and they were as bemused / shocked as I was. Got different keycards from them, tipped the two security guys 1 k baht each because they probably saved me from a heart attack. Now I'm trying to unwind from this crazy end to what was a pleasant evening.

Key takeaways: Nana is doing well, The Pimp is awesome fun if you have a decent wallet and want something that feels classier, and stay the fuck away from telegram.[/QUOTE]I don't buy girls are making loads of money online. I could be wrong.

I'll go with many are just waiting for 40,000,000 tourists again.

Really doesn't make a difference if they work or not. They habitually Broke.

[QUOTE=BaloneyPony;2787222]Of course, I read the above right before I go to bed. Fucking David Lynchian nightmare fuel.

Glad you're okay.[/QUOTE]Thanks, me too! I think it's the only time in 10+ years mongering where I've genuinely been uncomfortable. I've heard ladyboys can be aggressive, but damn! Followed inside my room when I told her to wait outside as I was trying to message the Telegram guy to find out if this was a genuine mixup or something, stripped immediately as she got in, then when I told her to please dress she got angry and told me that she came all the way from KTV and she wanted her 80 k. Even after I called for security, she argued half-naked with THREE JW security guards for another 15 minutes in my room before finally leaving. Even the security night manager was in disbelief, joking with me that he had heard of 8 k or even 10 k, but never 80 k and that she had confirmed with him as well that she wanted 80 k, so it wasn't a language issue. As he put it, "not even for 3 k".

Him and another guard stayed in my room and chilled a bit afterwards to make sure she wouldn't come back afterwards, and we had a good laugh. They got me new keycards just in case as well, and I tipped both of them for their services. It's a funny story now, but two nights ago it was disconcerting as hell for sure, haha.

Tuesday, Feb 7 report. AYA Massage, Cowboy, Thermae, Nana.

AYA Massage. Was quite disappointing when I got there at about 9 PM. Only about 7-8 ladies, all of them looking late 30's to 40's. Maybe the good ones were taken, but what I saw was a pack of 3-4's, not even a single 5. I passed, and so did the Japanese dude who came before me.

Soi Cowboy. By 9:30 PM the street itself was filled with people, but also absolutely choked with the smell of weed. I'm from San Francisco, so I get used to it, but it was so damn strong that I just passed through. Not sure how the girls were, the weed stench was just too stronk for me.

Thermae. Thermae was full of people at 9:45 PM, with all the girls unmasked. Went inside, got a drink, then took a glance. The 60-70 girls were lined up in two circles. An outer circle and an inner circle that surrounded the small central bar. However, I was unimpressed with the talent. Felt like mostly 4-5, with a few borderline 6's thrown in. Did two circle walks, then declined and headed to Nana.

Nana. Walked around a few bars. Rainbow has really taken over! Surprisingly, had a negative experience outside Spanky's, which I'the never had before. Spanky used to be my one of my favorites. This time, after I got there I asked to see if could stick my head in and take a look, and the door girl just scowled at me and said I can look from outside only, and batted my hands away from the cloth door and told me to buy a drink. Zero sanuk at all, which again was surprising. Spanky had always had a super fun vibe. Ended up getting a LT Isaan spinner from Billboard. Barfine is still 700/1000 to bar and 3000/6000 for the girl. Usually don't go for the short and dark Isaan type, but this one was a 26 yr old super spinner at 38 kg, didn't have an ounce of fat on her and her skin was as smooth as an 18-yr olds. She must use some great lotion! Sadly English proficiency was a bit poor, so very little convo, just boom boom, but she gave good head and really was light as a feather. Also gave a pretty good massage! Left after 4 hours, which is apparently what LT means now (was discussed in advance), but I wasn't too annoyed since I was getting sleepy and these days I like to sleep alone. If true overnight is expected, better make it clear from the start.

Tonight, back to The Pimp to see what their "full lineup" looks like. Plan to get four girls for me and my buddy this time, may take one back. Will report. Also May do an Emmanuel trip. Always liked a good soapie.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787592]Tuesday, Feb 7 report. AYA Massage, Cowboy, Thermae, Nana.

Ended up getting a LT Isaan spinner from Billboard. Barfine is still 700/1000 to bar and 3000/6000 for the girl. Usually don't go for the short and dark Isaan type, but this one was a 26 yr old super spinner at 38 kg, didn't have an ounce of fat on her and her skin was as smooth as an 18-yr olds. She must use some great lotion! Sadly English proficiency was a bit poor, so very little convo, just boom boom, but she gave good head and really was light as a feather. Also gave a pretty good massage! Left after 4 hours, which is apparently what LT means now (was discussed in advance), but I wasn't too annoyed since I was getting sleepy and these days I like to sleep alone. If true overnight is expected, better make it clear from the start.

Tonight, back to The Pimp to see what their "full lineup" looks like. Plan to get four girls for me and my buddy this time, may take one back. Will report. Also May do an Emmanuel trip. Always liked a good soapie.[/QUOTE]7000 total for 4 hours from Nana! Seriously dude.

Now I got to be careful not to get on your case too much: 1, because you are still recovering from the ladyboy debacle at the hotel (and I genuinely commiserate, but glad that you pulled out of with security), and 2, because I have been getting too many vitriolic responses from grumpy dudes every time I try to suggest that we all keep watch on the money we are throwing at these girls so go go inflation does not get out of control.

Ok, I get that you are loaded and like to show your money off, but it is another case of girls / mamasans / clubs getting too accustomed to outrageous (for Bangkok) prices and so little service.

But in your defense (not that you need it or care about my opinion), great to see that you take solid steps to rid yourself of the LB angst with a couple good Isaan shots! You are an A-type, obviously. So if you are back to the Pimp, at least take a girl home this time dude. Charge on, and don't pay so much! (And in anticipation of the grumpy bastards getting on my case, before you bi*ch at me, explain to me how a 26 yr old Isaan girl from Billboard merits 7 k for 4 hours.).

[QUOTE=Volterra;2787635]7000 total for 4 hours from Nana! Seriously dude.

Now I got to be careful not to get on your case too much: 1, because you are still recovering from the ladyboy debacle at the hotel (and I genuinely commiserate, but glad that you pulled out of with security), and 2, because I have been getting too many vitriolic responses from grumpy dudes every time I try to suggest that we all keep watch on the money we are throwing at these girls so go go inflation does not get out of control.

Ok, I get that you are loaded and like to show your money off, but it is another case of girls / mamasans / clubs getting too accustomed to outrageous (for Bangkok) prices and so little service.

But in your defense (not that you need it or care about my opinion), great to see that you take solid steps to rid yourself of the LB angst with a couple good Isaan shots! You are an A-type, obviously. So if you are back to the Pimp, at least take a girl home this time dude. Charge on, and don't pay so much! (And in anticipation of the grumpy bastards getting on my case, before you bi*ch at me, explain to me how a 26 yr old Isaan girl from Billboard merits 7 k for 4 hours.).[/QUOTE]Honestly bro, I have no defense. You hit it on the head. She absolutely didn't merit that price by industry standards. Just as you said, I was so annoyed by the ladyboy debacle from the previous night, I was kind of in "fuck it" mode. I didn't really care what the price was, I finally saw someone I wanted to fuck, so I fucked her. It was kind of a rebound situation. Normally, yeah, that price would be a no go unless it was a true all nighter. So profuse apologies! But, I don't think I (by myself) impact the market that much. Since I'm Asian American, at most they'll just chalk it up to one more Chinese idiot with more money than sense! Whats that old saying? 3 inches, 3000 baht, 3 minutes hehehe.

I'll have an Emmanuel + second Pimp report later. I just staggered back after my group of six knocked out three bottles of Johnny Walker gold label at The Pimp, and I really need to crash. The amount of typos I had to fix in this very short post was astonishing. Cheers all.

Recently completed another trip, mid Jan. Early Feb. 7 days in BKK, 8 in Phuket, 4 in Pattaya, 5 in BKK. Too lazy to write separate reports in each thread so I'll just do it here.

BKK: Everything's pretty much back in full swing compared to last year when they first opened with the whole SHA+ thing. Both Nana and Cowboys are as busy as ever. Only barfined once from Bacarra on recommendation but it was a great time. Doki Doki and Kokoro appear to be very busy, highly recommend making reservations, although a bit of a crapshoot given the rotation of girls and general lack of info. Soapy massages are up and running but I didn't partake. Sidelines is even better than last year. Did not get rejected at all for being a foreigner this year compared to about a 3/4 success rate last year. Strong correlation between price and looks, service was good for all girls with a few stand outs. Visited 9 girls ranging from 1 to 5 k base price range, ended up seeing 3 girls multiple times. I found that girls that operated under agencies generally had more photoshopped pictures. Many agencies and independents will send more pictures and location info automatically when you add them on Line, so no harm in doing that if you just want some more info to help with the filtering process.

Phuket: First time. Beautiful place but I wish I had visited when the sandbox first opened and the place wasn't packed with people. Bangla Road was a blast but the prices in gogos were the highest out of any destinations this trip, and I did not barfine as I imported a girl from Bangkok. FWIW I didn't see many stunners anyways. Also did not seek out massages or other FLs. Booked day trips but those were pretty mediocre, will just plan and hire my own long boat next time around.

Pattaya: Same as BKK. Walking Street busy as ever and Beach Road is lined with FLs. I did notice that some gogos did not survive and heard many changed owners. Also noticed that in general the quality of the girls have decreased although still many stunners. Soapy massages are open (Honey 2 and Sabai Dee anyways). Ended up taking 3 FLs priced between 1500 and 2500ST, and one girl for 4500 LT. 1 each from WeChat, Beach Road, and Tantan. All were average. The rest were barfines from gogos, 1 each from Pin-up and Xs (same operation I believe) and 2 from Bacarra. Gogo girls ended up being between 6-9 k for LT including barfine. All were excellent as I worked off of past contacts.

Hotels: Stayed at JW and Sheraton in BKK. First time at the JW, right next to Nana but further from a BTS station. Room, lounge, pool, and service are all pretty good. Sheraton is right next to Asok and Cowboy. Rooms are more old school compared to JW, but still well maintained. No lounge but there are a couple of decent restaurants and bars in building. Pool is ok, service is excellent. No issues with girls at either location. I'm Plat with Marriott, didn't get upgraded at JW, got upgraded to the basic suite at Sheraton, which I was surprised by as it is high season. You may get prioritized if you're a repeat stay as I got a welcome letter specifically mentioning that. No issues with bringing a girl back or having them sent up to my room at either location.

Stayed at Four Points in Phuket, a bit far from Bangla and a bit pricey for what it offers. Rooms are on the small side and they seemed understaffed. I do believe it is girl friendly given past reports from seniors but there were a lot of families when I was present, and you have to bring your date through an open check in area where all of the traffic flows through unless you've got a pool or sea view room in a side building. Did not get upgraded.

Stayed at Hilton in Pattaya. No upgrade this year but the basic room is still excellent for its size and view, although very pricey. No issues with girls, they do check their ID downstairs at the luggage desk.

Apps: Highlight of this trip for me was amateur FLs from Tinder and Insta. It took a lot of effort but produced the best girls of this trip both in terms of looks and service. I had built up contacts from past trips which I was able to capitalize on this time around as many of these girls are back in BKK. Took a while to get the ball rolling but once I was in, these girls talk with each other and they took care of the search for me. All were university students or young professionals with instas with thousands to tens of thousands of followers, and all were exclleent. Took the best girl with me to Phuket and had full GFE for the whole trip, ended up giving her 1 k USD for the 8 days. I didn't negotiate price with any of the other girls but gave 10 k to each for overnights, which all extended into late next days and requests to meet again from all of them. Expensive by BKK standards but I prefer quality over quantity myself. Back in the states for a couple of days now and still getting DMs from girls wanting to meet.

I used WeChat much less this trip. Mostly saw LBs, and from the girls I did talk to, ended up seeing 3. 1 was a gem, 1 was average, and 1 was a dud that I kicked out after 10 minutes. Tantan had a lot higher ratio of FLs to regular girls than Tinder, but most of these seem to be targeting Chinese / Korean / Japanese. I'm Asian American so I got by. Prices for girls off of Tantan were often higher than FLs, in the range of 2000-3500ST and up to 15000 LT. I pulled 2 STs, 1 average and 1 dud, after which I didn't bother. TF ended up more or less being a bust, the quality of girls was way lower than any other app, and the few stunners I did see were unresponsive.

Other observations: Did not get BBFS from many gogo girls but otherwise had a lot of success this year. From talking with the girls it sounds like Thai guys don't like to give oral, and it seems like that combined with the clean tests I brought with me did the trick. Got BBFS with a few girls from fiwfans and all the amateur FLs. Everywhere (except Rawai) was packed with tourists, although not as many East Asians when compared to previous years, and definitely not as many Chinese, although I suspect that will change given the timing and circumstances. Prices are up across the board for everything, from girls, barfines, drinks to hotel, food and Grab. Seems to be a combination of both inflation and rise in demand. No issues with an eSIM on arrival at BKK for those of you with one of the newer phones without a physical SIM. ATMs are still trash with the DCC trap, and it seems like all the Thai banks have added mandatory fees for not using DCC. The Superrich cash exchange outside of Terminal 21 has massive fucking lines every single day, I'd highly highly recommend going to another location. Many of the high end restaurants are booked out by several weeks online, but I was able to get reservations by calling in almost all of the time.

Apologies for the lack of pics, I know those are important when discussing price but I don't have any candids given their position.

Totally forgot there was a General thread. Admins please move my last report as you see fit.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2787635]7000 total for 4 hours from Nana! Seriously dude.

Now I got to be careful not to get on your case too much: 1, because you are still recovering from the ladyboy debacle at the hotel (and I genuinely commiserate, but glad that you pulled out of with security), and 2, because I have been getting too many vitriolic responses from grumpy dudes every time I try to suggest that we all keep watch on the money we are throwing at these girls so go go inflation does not get out of control.

Ok, I get that you are loaded and like to show your money off, but it is another case of girls / mamasans / clubs getting too accustomed to outrageous (for Bangkok) prices and so little service.

But in your defense (not that you need it or care about my opinion), great to see that you take solid steps to rid yourself of the LB angst with a couple good Isaan shots! You are an A-type, obviously. So if you are back to the Pimp, at least take a girl home this time dude. Charge on, and don't pay so much! (And in anticipation of the grumpy bastards getting on my case, before you bi*ch at me, explain to me how a 26 yr old Isaan girl from Billboard merits 7 k for 4 hours.).[/QUOTE]I've been reading complaints like this about pricing since the internet came into existence. And my response is still the same: my money, my fun.

Sorry guys who can't afford it but if I see what I want, Ill just pay the price. I find negotiation over $30 distasteful.

How a girl from Isaan merits the price: he wanted her. Nuff said.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787065]After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared. Eventually had to ask security to take her away, and they were as bemused / shocked as I was. Got different keycards from them, tipped the two security guys 1 k baht each because they probably saved me from a heart attack. Now I'm trying to unwind from this crazy end to what was a pleasant evening.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787587]Thanks, me too! I think it's the only time in 10+ years mongering where I've genuinely been uncomfortable. I've heard ladyboys can be aggressive, but damn! Followed inside my room when I told her to wait outside as I was trying to message the Telegram guy to find out if this was a genuine mixup or something, stripped immediately as she got in, then when I told her to please dress she got angry and told me that she came all the way from KTV and she wanted her 80 k. Even after I called for security, she argued half-naked with THREE JW security guards for another 15 minutes in my room before finally leaving. Even the security night manager was in disbelief, joking with me that he had heard of 8 k or even 10 k, but never 80 k and that she had confirmed with him as well that she wanted 80 k, so it wasn't a language issue. As he put it, "not even for 3 k".[/QUOTE]How did the ladyboy get to your room? Did she look female when you met her in the lobby? Did you approve reception to send her to your room before you saw her?

I usually have the girl give her ID to reception/guard/concierge. When the ID is turned over, take a quick look and inspect for date of birth and sex. True females have IDs that say Miss or Mrs. I'm told that ladyboy IDs say Mr., though I haven't seen one yet.

The last time I had a girl come to my room sight unseen was about 2002 in New Orleans. She turned out to be a real pig, perhaps 30 kg heavier than ideal. Since then, I've met in lobby.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2787942]How did the ladyboy get to your room? Did she look female when you met her in the lobby? Did you approve reception to send her to your room before you saw her?

I usually have the girl give her ID to reception/guard/concierge. When the ID is turned over, take a quick look and inspect for date of birth and sex. True females have IDs that say Miss or Mrs. I'm told that ladyboy IDs say Mr., though I haven't seen one yet.

The last time I had a girl come to my room sight unseen was about 2002 in New Orleans. She turned out to be a real pig, perhaps 30 kg heavier than ideal. Since then, I've met in lobby.[/QUOTE]The best cure is not taking a chance of a screaming ladyboy trying to extort you after a long flight. Two alternatives for anyone the next time in a major hotel in BKK. First, if you don't have a known person who you can call, the best bet is to ask the security supervisor for a recommendation. He might take offense, but more than likely he has a list of preapproved / prescreened girls that you rely on. He may make a small commission from the girl and you should definitely tip him as well.

Second alternative, take a melatonin and go to sleep. A restful night is better than the nightmare that was described here!

As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.

Security service completely incompetent, they don't have talk to "her" for 15 minutes in your room, if she refuses to come out, right away, they have to call the police, and at the same time that you could have taken the opportunity to file a complaint against "her" for attempted extortion.

That man / ladyboy you brought back to your room wasn't underage I guess, you did noting wrong or illegal.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2787942]How did the ladyboy get to your room? Did she look female when you met her in the lobby? Did you approve reception to send her to your room before you saw her?

I usually have the girl give her ID to reception/guard/concierge. When the ID is turned over, take a quick look and inspect for date of birth and sex. True females have IDs that say Miss or Mrs. I'm told that ladyboy IDs say Mr., though I haven't seen one yet.

The last time I had a girl come to my room sight unseen was about 2002 in New Orleans. She turned out to be a real pig, perhaps 30 kg heavier than ideal. Since then, I've met in lobby.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I should've done this. What happened was that she was masked and at the elevator entrance right as I went down to get her, so my natural instinct was to just let her on the elevator and chat with her a bit. It was by the time that we had already gotten to my floor that I realized she didn't speak a lick of Chinese, and it was then that things began to go downhill per my report. I just didn't expect her to barge into my room after me, because that's never happened in 10+ years!

Wednesday report from Emmanuel / Pimp:

Emmanuel: The lineup was very small, just eight or so girls total! I was advised that they still have 80-100 working, but that today they were just fully booked! Also was told that the day before (Tuesday) was the total opposite: all the girls were there, but no customers! Still, there were two 7's out of the ones available, so I just picked one of them. Neither of them knew how to do nuru, so it ended up just being a standard soapy, 90 minutes 1 shot. Prices still vary based on the class of the girl, and the one I picked was fairly high, 6200 baht. But, this was the case was years ago as well, so little inflation. Room was fine. Interesting stat - top customers used to be Chinese by far, Japanese at 2, and Thai at 3. Right, Thai are the top customer base at Emmanuel! Looks like the Asians mongers aren’t even close to being back in force yet.

Pimp: Wow! Mamasan wasn't playing when she said they have much higher numbers on Wednesday! Mamasan was determined to make up for Monday, and managed to bring over three lineups of 30 girls each to our couch, then brought over a few stragglers as well. Must've gone through at least a hundred of them, many of them genuinely quite beautiful! It took a long time just to sort through all of them. In the end got four of them, two for me and two for my buddy, and we partied the night away to hours of drinking games and good live music on stage. So yeah. Wednesday girl quality and numbers at 10 PM were shockingly good. Mamasan was also very upfront. With each selection, if the girl was one that normally didn't go back to the hotel, she would let us know right away and we could change our mind if need be.

Pricing I already discussed last time, no updates there, except this time I bought a 20 k for 5 bottles liquor package from them. Staggered out at 2:30 AM with 3 bottles down and 2 left in storage.

Note. As a karaoke fan, I checked out Pimp's karaoke rooms and found them to be disappointing. Rooms themselves were okay at best, but the song machines and sound setup were pretty much, while the Chinese song selection system in particular was terrible. I recommend a pass on the private rooms, especially if karaoke is your thing. I may check out a different gentleman bar to see if there are any truly decent ones.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2788076]As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.[/QUOTE]Some ladyboys are easy to spot, but it is still easy to get fooled. You can never be 100% sure, but don't be afraid to ask. Also if she is interested in going back to your room she will not mind you putting your hands between her legs and doing a quick check.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2788076]As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2788348]Some ladyboys are easy to spot, but it is still easy to get fooled. You can never be 100% sure, but don't be afraid to ask. Also if she is interested in going back to your room she will not mind you putting your hands between her legs and doing a quick check.[/QUOTE]It's often not easy upon first glance, study carefully. Easiest tells are voice, Adam's apple, height, and shoulder to hip ratio. More subtle tells are exaggerated female motions (hip swing, hair toss, etc.). Ladyboys often use more aggressive sales pitches than girls. The crotch rub is not foolproof, I once did that and could feel heavy under ware, so I passed. Later a friend told me that ladyboys tuck their junk back to their butt crack so you cannot feel any male parts. If there is a shred of doubt, be sure to ask and say that no money if "she" is a ladyboy in the room.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2788232]Wednesday report from Emmanuel / Pimp:

Emmanuel: The lineup was very small, just eight or so girls total! I was advised that they still have 80-100 working, but that today they were just fully booked! Also was told that the day before (Tuesday) was the total opposite: all the girls were there, but no customers! Still, there were two 7's out of the ones available, so I just picked one of them. Neither of them knew how to do nuru, so it ended up just being a standard soapy, 90 minutes 1 shot. Prices still vary based on the class of the girl, and the one I picked was fairly high, 6200 baht. But, this was the case was years ago as well, so little inflation. Room was fine. Interesting stat - top customers used to be Chinese by far, Japanese at 2, and Thai at 3. Right, Thai are the top customer base at Emmanuel! Looks like the Asians mongers arent even close to being back in force yet.

Pimp: Wow! Mamasan wasn't playing when she said they have much higher numbers on Wednesday! Mamasan was determined to make up for Monday, and managed to bring over three lineups of 30 girls each to our couch, then brought over a few stragglers as well. Must've gone through at least a hundred of them, many of them genuinely quite beautiful! It took a long time just to sort through all of them. In the end got four of them, two for me and two for my buddy, and we partied the night away to hours of drinking games and good live music on stage. So yeah. Wednesday girl quality and numbers at 10 PM were shockingly good. Mamasan was also very upfront. With each selection, if the girl was one that normally didn't go back to the hotel, she would let us know right away and we could change our mind if need be.

Pricing I already discussed last time, no updates there, except this time I bought a 20 k for 5 bottles liquor package from them. Staggered out at 2:30 AM with 3 bottles down and 2 left in storage.

Note. As a karaoke fan, I checked out Pimp's karaoke rooms and found them to be disappointing. Rooms themselves were okay at best, but the song machines and sound setup were pretty much, while the Chinese song selection system in particular was terrible. I recommend a pass on the private rooms, especially if karaoke is your thing. I may check out a different gentleman bar to see if there are any truly decent ones.[/QUOTE]Great reports! They're fun to read and very informative and detailed. I'm glad there's not too much of a backlash on you spending so much. Glad to hear you're having fun out there!

I recommend you give FiwFans a try [URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rae5lvkw0xzzk6[/URL]

[QUOTE=Projektzer;2784815]Where did you get her? I'm so disappointed in bkk. Struggling after three rip offs.[/QUOTE]Don't believe that guy ElMexicant. He tells everyone he's Mexican. He's far from it.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2788232]Wednesday report from Emmanuel / Pimp
[/QUOTE]Great report, I guess I shouldn't be surprised most of the girls at The Pimp are working on the side and they are straight up about it. That makes it worth the cost a bit more but how often does that happen?

Have you thought about checking out Black Caviar, La Belle or Poseidon?

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2788455]Don't believe that guy ElMexicant. He tells everyone he's Mexican. He's far from it.[/QUOTE]I pound meat tacos every other day.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2787818]I've been reading complaints like this about pricing since the internet came into existence. And my response is still the same: my money, my fun.

Sorry guys who can't afford it but if I see what I want, Ill just pay the price. I find negotiation over $30 distasteful.

How a girl from Isaan merits the price: he wanted her. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]I agree Mate. If I see a girl I like I pay her usually what she wants. If it is not outrageous.

Good on you Mate.

You are just a bloke out having a good time and trying not to hurt anyone too much. Only thing I have learned is not to tell the punters on this site too much.

Ask a lot of questions but don't ever give advice ok.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2788076]As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.[/QUOTE]If you can't spot one in 30 seconds you shouldn't be here.

And lets not play the picture game "Ladyboy or Not? Reality isn't a photo.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2788076]As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.[/QUOTE]It is impossible to tell.

Always ask and sometimes even do a Paul Hogan and have a feel.

Fortunately most of the time you are right and the girls will tell you. I have been many times to Thailand and I always ask every new girl.

The only time I have ever ended up with a lady boy is in Australia.

The comments I get from many locals and tourists seem to all note that there is significant ladyboy presence on Soi 11 recently. Speculation is that there is some thing that has triggered this notable upsurge. One comment came from a local that noted that there has been also a noticeable number of gay men of Caucasian extraction at some bars. The observation was made that the new Jamaican restaurant and bar across from the Citadines 11 hotel appeared to be a gathering place for the gay crowd. The ladyboy parade infront of the bar is noted by its patrons.

On another note, the new restaurant / bar next to the Citadines, Moon Muum, is an open air venue with live music until 3 am Since it is not in an enclosed building, the techno music goes straight to all the near by hotels. Guests at the Citadines 11 and Mecure hotels bear the brunt of the noise and openly complain t0 the management who claims that they cannot do nothing to end this disturbance.

So anyone looking at any hotel for a quiet stay, had better stay away form Soi 11. Between the 6 BMD beer bars at the beginning of the soi, the cannabis vendors, the bad traffic and the flood of lady boys, I believe I will take hard pass on returning to Soi 11.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2788455]Don't believe that guy ElMexicant. He tells everyone he's Mexican. He's far from it.[/QUOTE]Where? My guess. Fiwfans. It's great, but it requires spending a lot of time researching. Can't just go by the looks on the site. Have to read the reviews and join telegram groups where the local dudes post their reviews and pics. Yes, it's all in Thai and you have to translate. Most tourists are not going to take the time and spend the hours it takes to become acquainted with each individual "camp," their particulars, and then read multiple reviews of everyone they are interested in, taking into account that locals are very cryptic with negative comments as they do not want to get blacklisted by agents.Tourists don't come here to sit in their hotel room and spend hours on their computer or phone doing this type of research. It's far more suited to locals and even then one has to be very patient.

And BTW, El Mexicant is a trip. Great guy. And by the moniker can't you tell he's not Mexican? The dude totally gets the scene here and in Patters.

Great report.

I am looking forward to meet some Insta models in my summer trip to BKK.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787065]Just arrived yesterday (Monday Feb 6), pretty tired but wanted to do some exploring just to see what's up. Things ended up being insane.

Full disclosure. My tastes trend towards the expensive, and I was / am hosting a guest.

Visited Billboard at 11 PM with a friend. Place was packed, no sofas infilled, no tables available. Only bar stools. Lots of girls, fairly decently looking, bought lady drinks for two of them and some others. They wanted us to take back, but we had something else on itinerary, so passed. Total damage, about 2 k baht for four drinks, four lady drinks, and some tips. Reasonable.

Next, went to The Pimp at roughly midnight. Was slightly disappointed because the mamasan was only able to bring out 20 girls. She was a bit apologetic, advised that Mondays were slow and we were kinda late (which was fair). Advised that if we came Wednesday at around 10, she would have 150 girls available. Even so, the average quality was very high, much higher than anywhere else I visited, and I'm picky (Chinese American, very Asian standards). Was able to find a super hot one and an attractive one. Both very slim, early / mid 20's, very good English. Bought a good bottle, played drinking games for almost 2. 5 hours before leaving at 2 AM. I let my friend have the super hot one, and while she initially said she wouldn't go to the hotel (because she had to get up early for her job in finance), she later told my friend that she'the be willing to see him privately. Mine told me she'the be willing to go, but I passed. Girls had wonderful attitudes, and it didn't feel sleazy at all. Plan to go again for a VIP room. Will report back. Was tremendous fun but not for budget sexpats or cheap Charlie's. Total damage was around 16 k baht. 5 k for the bottle (mixers were free), 8 k in sitting fees for the two girls (they only charged us 2 hrs - 3000 for first HR, 1000 for second, which is standard, even though it was more like 2. 5 hrs), 1 k for food, and 2 k for the mamasan.

After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared. Eventually had to ask security to take her away, and they were as bemused / shocked as I was. Got different keycards from them, tipped the two security guys 1 k baht each because they probably saved me from a heart attack. Now I'm trying to unwind from this crazy end to what was a pleasant evening.

Key takeaways: Nana is doing well, The Pimp is awesome fun if you have a decent wallet and want something that feels classier, and stay the fuck away from telegram.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aster14;2787798]Recently completed another trip, mid Jan. Early Feb. 7 days in BKK, 8 in Phuket, 4 in Pattaya, 5 in BKK. Too lazy to write separate reports in each thread so I'll just do it here.

BKK: Everything's pretty much back in full swing compared to last year when they first opened with the whole SHA+ thing. Both Nana and Cowboys are as busy as ever. Only barfined once from Bacarra on recommendation but it was a great time. Doki Doki and Kokoro appear to be very busy, highly recommend making reservations, although a bit of a crapshoot given the rotation of girls and general lack of info. Soapy massages are up and running but I didn't partake. Sidelines is even better than last year. Did not get rejected at all for being a foreigner this year compared to about a 3/4 success rate last year. Strong correlation between price and looks, service was good for all girls with a few stand outs. Visited 9 girls ranging from 1 to 5 k base price range, ended up seeing 3 girls multiple times. I found that girls that operated under agencies generally had more photoshopped pictures. Many agencies and independents will send more pictures and location info automatically when you add them on Line, so no harm in doing that if you just want some more info to help with the filtering process.

Phuket: First time. Beautiful place but I wish I had visited when the sandbox first opened and the place wasn't packed with people. Bangla Road was a blast but the prices in gogos were the highest out of any destinations this trip, and I did not barfine as I imported a girl from Bangkok. FWIW I didn't see many stunners anyways. Also did not seek out massages or other FLs. Booked day trips but those were pretty mediocre, will just plan and hire my own long boat next time around.

Pattaya: Same as BKK. Walking Street busy as ever and Beach Road is lined with FLs. I did notice that some gogos did not survive and heard many changed owners. Also noticed that in general the quality of the girls have decreased although still many stunners. Soapy massages are open (Honey 2 and Sabai Dee anyways). Ended up taking 3 FLs priced between 1500 and 2500ST, and one girl for 4500 LT. 1 each from WeChat, Beach Road, and Tantan. All were average. The rest were barfines from gogos, 1 each from Pin-up and Xs (same operation I believe) and 2 from Bacarra. Gogo girls ended up being between 6-9 k for LT including barfine. All were excellent as I worked off of past contacts.

Hotels: Stayed at JW and Sheraton in BKK. First time at the JW, right next to Nana but further from a BTS station. Room, lounge, pool, and service are all pretty good. Sheraton is right next to Asok and Cowboy. Rooms are more old school compared to JW, but still well maintained. No lounge but there are a couple of decent restaurants and bars in building. Pool is ok, service is excellent. No issues with girls at either location. I'm Plat with Marriott, didn't get upgraded at JW, got upgraded to the basic suite at Sheraton, which I was surprised by as it is high season. You may get prioritized if you're a repeat stay as I got a welcome letter specifically mentioning that. No issues with bringing a girl back or having them sent up to my room at either location.

Stayed at Four Points in Phuket, a bit far from Bangla and a bit pricey for what it offers. Rooms are on the small side and they seemed understaffed. I do believe it is girl friendly given past reports from seniors but there were a lot of families when I was present, and you have to bring your date through an open check in area where all of the traffic flows through unless you've got a pool or sea view room in a side building. Did not get upgraded.

Stayed at Hilton in Pattaya. No upgrade this year but the basic room is still excellent for its size and view, although very pricey. No issues with girls, they do check their ID downstairs at the luggage desk.

Apps: Highlight of this trip for me was amateur FLs from Tinder and Insta. It took a lot of effort but produced the best girls of this trip both in terms of looks and service. I had built up contacts from past trips which I was able to capitalize on this time around as many of these girls are back in BKK. Took a while to get the ball rolling but once I was in, these girls talk with each other and they took care of the search for me. All were university students or young professionals with instas with thousands to tens of thousands of followers, and all were exclleent. Took the best girl with me to Phuket and had full GFE for the whole trip, ended up giving her 1 k USD for the 8 days. I didn't negotiate price with any of the other girls but gave 10 k to each for overnights, which all extended into late next days and requests to meet again from all of them. Expensive by BKK standards but I prefer quality over quantity myself. Back in the states for a couple of days now and still getting DMs from girls wanting to meet.

I used WeChat much less this trip. Mostly saw LBs, and from the girls I did talk to, ended up seeing 3. 1 was a gem, 1 was average, and 1 was a dud that I kicked out after 10 minutes. Tantan had a lot higher ratio of FLs to regular girls than Tinder, but most of these seem to be targeting Chinese / Korean / Japanese. I'm Asian American so I got by. Prices for girls off of Tantan were often higher than FLs, in the range of 2000-3500ST and up to 15000 LT. I pulled 2 STs, 1 average and 1 dud, after which I didn't bother. TF ended up more or less being a bust, the quality of girls was way lower than any other app, and the few stunners I did see were unresponsive.

Other observations: Did not get BBFS from many gogo girls but otherwise had a lot of success this year. From talking with the girls it sounds like Thai guys don't like to give oral, and it seems like that combined with the clean tests I brought with me did the trick. Got BBFS with a few girls from fiwfans and all the amateur FLs. Everywhere (except Rawai) was packed with tourists, although not as many East Asians when compared to previous years, and definitely not as many Chinese, although I suspect that will change given the timing and circumstances. Prices are up across the board for everything, from girls, barfines, drinks to hotel, food and Grab. Seems to be a combination of both inflation and rise in demand. No issues with an eSIM on arrival at BKK for those of you with one of the newer phones without a physical SIM. ATMs are still trash with the DCC trap, and it seems like all the Thai banks have added mandatory fees for not using DCC. The Superrich cash exchange outside of Terminal 21 has massive fucking lines every single day, I'd highly highly recommend going to another location. Many of the high end restaurants are booked out by several weeks online, but I was able to get reservations by calling in almost all of the time.

Apologies for the lack of pics, I know those are important when discussing price but I don't have any candids given their position.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787715]Honestly bro, I have no defense. You hit it on the head. She absolutely didn't merit that price by industry standards. Just as you said, I was so annoyed by the ladyboy debacle from the previous night, I was kind of in "fuck it" mode. I didn't really care what the price was, I finally saw someone I wanted to fuck, so I fucked her. It was kind of a rebound situation. Normally, yeah, that price would be a no go unless it was a true all nighter. So profuse apologies! But, I don't think I (by myself) impact the market that much. Since I'm Asian American, at most they'll just chalk it up to one more Chinese idiot with more money than sense! Whats that old saying? 3 inches, 3000 baht, 3 minutes hehehe.

I'll have an Emmanuel + second Pimp report later. I just staggered back after my group of six knocked out three bottles of Johnny Walker gold label at The Pimp, and I really need to crash. The amount of typos I had to fix in this very short post was astonishing. Cheers all.[/QUOTE]I hear you, man. You are a model for getting back out and getting back on track. (You can see other reports around where guys really have a hard time recovering from bad experiences with LBs, bait and switch, swindlers and the like. Best thing is just get straight back to it.) Had to do the same thing recently myself in Philippines after LB debacle. Went straight back out the next night and all was forgotten with a lovely lady back in the room to help me get him / her out of my heart.

Saw your other report about the Pimp. You tanked up on Johnny Walker and 4 girls at your table, but did you take either of your girls back to hotel? Sounds like they were the real stunners.

Thanks for the reports dude.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2787818]I've been reading complaints like this about pricing since the internet came into existence. And my response is still the same: my money, my fun.

Sorry guys who can't afford it but if I see what I want, Ill just pay the price. I find negotiation over $30 distasteful.

How a girl from Isaan merits the price: he wanted her. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]Nuff not said.

Like you, I am getting accustomed to the responses from fellow gents (many who are almost as grumpy as me) suggesting that there is something "normal" about the price situation in SE Asia now. And my response is still the same: my report, my admonition.

I am not sure if you have noticed, Nyezhov, but there is a correlation between rising prices, lowering service, negative girl / mama attitudes, and withering fun. We just saw one report about one Nana place that would not even let the dude look through the curtain without first buying a drink. F*cking BS!

And LT now limited to 4 hours! Last month in Nana, one mamasan told me LT had to be back by 2 am, and it was already f*cking 10:30! I exercised my power of self-determination and walked, not because I cannot afford it but because the freaking audacious attitudes are defeating the whole purpose.

If we want to talk about distasteful, then I think we would need to confess on a different moral level that the whole thing could be viewed as distasteful. (I am not suggesting we do. I am fully a part of this and enjoying it after decades of being bashed around by f*eminists and chastised for having a horny libido.).

The word "distasteful" has been appearing in my mind through my mongering trips over the past year as try to find examples of price rises in Thai / Phil / Camb supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, salaries or anything that could come close to the prices on demand at Cowboy, Nana, Walking Streets (Pattaya / AC) LK Metro, Streets 130/136 (PP). And all the swindling, deception, and abusive shit being thrown at customers in these places now is plenty distasteful to me. (F*ck don't even get me started on the Pattaya gogo bars. Guaranteed to tempt you with tons of eye candy that you can spend shitloads of money on for LDs but won't go home with you.).

And you do not regard Zhangsan's LB who demanded 80 k to be just a little bit distasteful?

It is your money, Zhangsan's money, and my money, and we can all do whatever we want with it. But there are obviously plenty of dudes on this site who recognize that a good thing is starting to slip away in front of our very eyes. $30 difference (7000 baht) on 6000 baht is almost 15%. And 6000 baht is already pushed up from 5000 in the very recent past (I speak of my August 2022 trip), and that was freaking ridiculous.

I know you are right (and I have had to admit this on other SE Asian forums) that we are not going to band together to control prices. But it is not because there is no connection between how you choose to spend your money and go go inflation. There is more than an obvious connection.

I may be able to afford it too, but if I were only interested in making my own choices without giving a f*ck about where this is all going, I don't think I would waste my time on the forums. I want to have fun, but weighing up my last 2 trips there since August, I'm not sure that Thailand is much fun anymore (quality vs quantity).

I made my first Pattaya and Bangkok punts in the mid 80's, before the internet came into existence, and there is no doubt in my mind that things are really turning south. (I am not just reminiscing about the "good ole days". I have never stopped pursuing my hedonistic instincts.) Very much alive in 2023, I am making my summer plans now, and Thailand is falling lower on the list.

Maybe I'll just stay in Cali and pay $280/ HR for a hot Korean chick with exquisite service in San Jose before hiking in the redwoods or surfing the SoCal waves.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2788771]Nuff not said.

Like you, I am getting accustomed to the responses from fellow gents (many who are almost as grumpy as me) suggesting that there is something "normal" about the price situation in SE Asia now. And my response is still the same: my report, my admonition.

I am not sure if you have noticed, Nyezhov, but there is a correlation between rising prices, lowering service, negative girl / mama attitudes, and withering fun. We just saw one report about one Nana place that would not even let the dude look through the curtain without first buying a drink. F*cking BS!

And LT now limited to 4 hours! Last month in Nana, one mamasan told me LT had to be back by 2 am, and it was already f*cking 10:30! I exercised my power of self-determination and walked, not because I cannot afford it but because the freaking audacious attitudes are defeating the whole purpose.

If we want to talk about distasteful, then I think we would need to confess on a different moral level that the whole thing could be viewed as distasteful. (I am not suggesting we do. I am fully a part of this and enjoying it after decades of being bashed around by f*eminists and chastised for having a horny libido.).

The word "distasteful" has been appearing in my mind through my mongering trips over the past year as try to find examples of price rises in Thai / Phil / Camb supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, salaries or anything that could come close to the prices on demand at Cowboy, Nana, Walking Streets (Pattaya / AC) LK Metro, Streets 130/136 (PP). And all the swindling, deception, and abusive shit being thrown at customers in these places now is plenty distasteful to me. (F*ck don't even get me started on the Pattaya gogo bars. Guaranteed to tempt you with tons of eye candy that you can spend shitloads of money on for LDs but won't go home with you.).

And you do not regard Zhangsan's LB who demanded 80 k to be just a little bit distasteful?

It is your money, Zhangsan's money, and my money, and we can all do whatever we want with it. But there are obviously plenty of dudes on this site who recognize that a good thing is starting to slip away in front of our very eyes. $30 difference (7000 baht) on 6000 baht is almost 15%. And 6000 baht is already pushed up from 5000 in the very recent past (I speak of my August 2022 trip), and that was freaking ridiculous.

I know you are right (and I have had to admit this on other SE Asian forums) that we are not going to band together to control prices. But it is not because there is no connection between how you choose to spend your money and go go inflation. There is more than an obvious connection.

I may be able to afford it too, but if I were only interested in making my own choices without giving a f*ck about where this is all going, I don't think I would waste my time on the forums. I want to have fun, but weighing up my last 2 trips there since August, I'm not sure that Thailand is much fun anymore (quality vs quantity).

I made my first Pattaya and Bangkok punts in the mid 80's, before the internet came into existence, and there is no doubt in my mind that things are really turning south. (I am not just reminiscing about the "good ole days". I have never stopped pursuing my hedonistic instincts.) Very much alive in 2023, I am making my summer plans now, and Thailand is falling lower on the list.

Maybe I'll just stay in Cali and pay $280/ HR for a hot Korean chick with exquisite service in San Jose before hiking in the redwoods or surfing the SoCal waves.[/QUOTE]I don't understand your point. I'm personally am having as much fun as I ever had. I alwys get great service. I love Bangkok. Prices are up on everything, everywhere. So?

If you think Cali is better than by all means.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2788771]Nuff not said.

Like you, I am getting accustomed to the responses from fellow gents (many who are almost as grumpy as me) suggesting that there is something "normal" about the price situation in SE Asia now. And my response is still the same: my report, my admonition.

I am not sure if you have noticed, Nyezhov, but there is a correlation between rising prices, lowering service, negative girl / mama attitudes, and withering fun. We just saw one report about one Nana place that would not even let the dude look through the curtain without first buying a drink. F*cking BS!

And LT now limited to 4 hours! Last month in Nana, one mamasan told me LT had to be back by 2 am, and it was already f*cking 10:30! I exercised my power of self-determination and walked, not because I cannot afford it but because the freaking audacious attitudes are defeating the whole purpose.

If we want to talk about distasteful, then I think we would need to confess on a different moral level that the whole thing could be viewed as distasteful. (I am not suggesting we do. I am fully a part of this and enjoying it after decades of being bashed around by f*eminists and chastised for having a horny libido.).

The word "distasteful" has been appearing in my mind through my mongering trips over the past year as try to find examples of price rises in Thai / Phil / Camb supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, salaries or anything that could come close to the prices on demand at Cowboy, Nana, Walking Streets (Pattaya / AC) LK Metro, Streets 130/136 (PP). And all the swindling, deception, and abusive shit being thrown at customers in these places now is plenty distasteful to me. (F*ck don't even get me started on the Pattaya gogo bars. Guaranteed to tempt you with tons of eye candy that you can spend shitloads of money on for LDs but won't go home with you.).

And you do not regard Zhangsan's LB who demanded 80 k to be just a little bit distasteful?

It is your money, Zhangsan's money, and my money, and we can all do whatever we want with it. But there are obviously plenty of dudes on this site who recognize that a good thing is starting to slip away in front of our very eyes. $30 difference (7000 baht) on 6000 baht is almost 15%. And 6000 baht is already pushed up from 5000 in the very recent past (I speak of my August 2022 trip), and that was freaking ridiculous.

I know you are right (and I have had to admit this on other SE Asian forums) that we are not going to band together to control prices. But it is not because there is no connection between how you choose to spend your money and go go inflation. There is more than an obvious connection.

I may be able to afford it too, but if I were only interested in making my own choices without giving a f*ck about where this is all going, I don't think I would waste my time on the forums. I want to have fun, but weighing up my last 2 trips there since August, I'm not sure that Thailand is much fun anymore (quality vs quantity).

I made my first Pattaya and Bangkok punts in the mid 80's, before the internet came into existence, and there is no doubt in my mind that things are really turning south. (I am not just reminiscing about the "good ole days". I have never stopped pursuing my hedonistic instincts.) Very much alive in 2023, I am making my summer plans now, and Thailand is falling lower on the list.

Maybe I'll just stay in Cali and pay $280/ HR for a hot Korean chick with exquisite service in San Jose before hiking in the redwoods or surfing the SoCal waves.[/QUOTE]Damn, I hope things don't get TOO bad or expensive! Have already booked to return to Bangkok later in the year!

I will stay in the Ashton Silom in a week's time, and I'm wondering if the area has a happy ending massage scene to speak of. I like the (many) massage shops available on Suk 22, for example. Streetview doesn't indicate there's much action on Silom though.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2787798]Recently completed another trip, mid Jan. Early Feb. 7 days in BKK, 8 in Phuket, 4 in Pattaya, 5 in BKK. Too lazy to write separate reports in each thread so I'll just do it here.
ion.[/QUOTE]Great report. How exactly did you use all these apps? May you go into more detail?

Kind of surprised that Phuket has poor options now.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2788771]Nuff not said.

Like you, I am getting accustomed to the responses from fellow gents (many who are almost as grumpy as me) suggesting that there is something "normal" about the price situation in SE Asia now. And my response is still the same: my report, my admonition.

I am not sure if you have noticed, Nyezhov, but there is a correlation between rising prices, lowering service, negative girl / mama attitudes, and withering fun. We just saw one report about one Nana place that would not even let the dude look through the curtain without first buying a drink. F*cking BS!

And LT now limited to 4 hours! Last month in Nana, one mamasan told me LT had to be back by 2 am, and it was already f*cking 10:30! I exercised my power of self-determination and walked, not because I cannot afford it but because the freaking audacious attitudes are defeating the whole purpose.

If we want to talk about distasteful, then I think we would need to confess on a different moral level that the whole thing could be viewed as distasteful. (I am not suggesting we do. I am fully a part of this and enjoying it after decades of being bashed around by f*eminists and chastised for having a horny libido.).

The word "distasteful" has been appearing in my mind through my mongering trips over the past year as try to find examples of price rises in Thai / Phil / Camb supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, salaries or anything that could come close to the prices on demand at Cowboy, Nana, Walking Streets (Pattaya / AC) LK Metro, Streets 130/136 (PP). And all the swindling, deception, and abusive shit being thrown at customers in these places now is plenty distasteful to me. (F*ck don't even get me started on the Pattaya gogo bars. Guaranteed to tempt you with tons of eye candy that you can spend shitloads of money on for LDs but won't go home with you.).

And you do not regard Zhangsan's LB who demanded 80 k to be just a little bit distasteful?

It is your money, Zhangsan's money, and my money, and we can all do whatever we want with it. But there are obviously plenty of dudes on this site who recognize that a good thing is starting to slip away in front of our very eyes. $30 difference (7000 baht) on 6000 baht is almost 15%. And 6000 baht is already pushed up from 5000 in the very recent past (I speak of my August 2022 trip), and that was freaking ridiculous.

I know you are right (and I have had to admit this on other SE Asian forums) that we are not going to band together to control prices. But it is not because there is no connection between how you choose to spend your money and go go inflation. There is more than an obvious connection.

I may be able to afford it too, but if I were only interested in making my own choices without giving a f*ck about where this is all going, I don't think I would waste my time on the forums. I want to have fun, but weighing up my last 2 trips there since August, I'm not sure that Thailand is much fun anymore (quality vs quantity).

I made my first Pattaya and Bangkok punts in the mid 80's, before the internet came into existence, and there is no doubt in my mind that things are really turning south. (I am not just reminiscing about the "good ole days". I have never stopped pursuing my hedonistic instincts.) Very much alive in 2023, I am making my summer plans now, and Thailand is falling lower on the list.

Maybe I'll just stay in Cali and pay $280/ HR for a hot Korean chick with exquisite service in San Jose before hiking in the redwoods or surfing the SoCal waves.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. And look at what the local punters are paying online using sites like fiwfans. Way less than go-gos and less than places like Doki-Doki.Yes, places like The Pimp are mainly for local men but that's less about getting laid and more about "face," sitting with a pretty girl, and shopping for a mia noi. The majority of those girls are looking for sponsors. Places like this existed two decades ago.

In the 20 plus years I've been living in Thailand the change in demographics among punters in the Go-Go bars has been huge. When I moved here 90% of the men in the bars were western, and that is no longer the case. Western dudes and Asian dudes want different things. And the market is now catering to the Asian man as he is the majority. And why not? Not catering to your majority is nuts.

I certainly agree that as prices have gone up service has gone down. The gals will do whatever they can get away with. Overall I would say that Western men are more demanding. So you really can't blame the girls for going after the easier money. When it comes to the local online scene there are quite a few girls who only want to go with Thai men. This is normally expressed in their posting a size limit.

Anyone familiar with LEO Longevitys death in Thailand. He was a bodybuilder guy who lived with Tony Huge.

Hate to bust your balloon dimwit but gay men are not interested in Ladyboys. Full stop. Most of the men pulling LB's are hetero but like to take a "walk on the wild side from time to time or for some are on indefinite leave from the fairer sex. If gays did read this app they would laughing hysterically at you.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2788722]The comments I get from many locals and tourists seem to all note that there is significant ladyboy presence on Soi 11 recently. Speculation is that there is some thing that has triggered this notable upsurge. One comment came from a local that noted that there has been also a noticeable number of gay men of Caucasian extraction at some bars. The observation was made that the new Jamaican restaurant and bar across from the Citadines 11 hotel appeared to be a gathering place for the gay crowd. The ladyboy parade infront of the bar is noted by its patrons.

On another note, the new restaurant / bar next to the Citadines, Moon Muum, is an open air venue with live music until 3 am Since it is not in an enclosed building, the techno music goes straight to all the near by hotels. Guests at the Citadines 11 and Mecure hotels bear the brunt of the noise and openly complain t0 the management who claims that they cannot do nothing to end this disturbance.

So anyone looking at any hotel for a quiet stay, had better stay away form Soi 11. Between the 6 BMD beer bars at the beginning of the soi, the cannabis vendors, the bad traffic and the flood of lady boys, I believe I will take hard pass on returning to Soi 11.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2789057]Hate to bust your balloon dimwit but gay men are not interested in Ladyboys. Full stop. Most of the men pulling LB's are hetero but like to take a "walk on the wild side from time to time or for some are on indefinite leave from the fairer sex. If gays did read this app they would laughing hysterically at you.[/QUOTE]A ladyboy is man. Men who sleep with other men are gay. Nothing to be ashamed of.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2788952]Great report. How exactly did you use all these apps? May you go into more detail?

Kind of surprised that Phuket has poor options now.[/QUOTE]For Tinder, I didn't treat any matches as FLs and played the usual game. Made sure to show that I was going to be in town for a while and just looking for something short term and casual. Never brought up the topic of ST / LT directly but many girls were straight forward with it. For those who were not I'm usually able to figure out if theyd be opened to a pay per meet set up through their pictures and responses. A lot of these girls have or will give their instagram which helps with the process. I did end up taking 2 girls out on regular dates and all of them were happy with the "financial assistance" after staying the night. It is very time consuming but honestly for me it's part of the fun.

Same process with Tantan but many more obvious FLs so I never really had to play the game. If they provide their Line or WeChat it's going to be a FL 9/10 times. However there's a lot more catfishing and photoshop on Tantan, pretty obvious to tell. I didn't pull any girls unless they had instagrams or would be willing to do FaceTime / meet in person.

WeChat has a people nearby feature. It is packed with ladyboys. I have pulled gems from this in the past but not worthwhile these days imo. Did see a lot of stunners when I went to clubs and bars in Ekkamai with dates so maybe you'd have more success if you're in that part of town.

FWIW, I never cold DMd girls on IG. Most of these are not full time FLs and are more the casual sex / fwb / sugar baby types. Many would be offended if you treated them like a FL with the ST/LT, what do you do, or do you want to meet kind of questions. Ive seen some of their IGs and they literally have thousands of cold DMs from guys. Getting an introduction and attracting their attention is a much better way of getting your foot in the door imo.

Some pics.

So, I casually strolled into Thermae bar around 8 pm and I found a few good looking chicks. I only talked to the ones who smiled at me. I found someone I liked but I had already busted by nut thrice today so I just didn't want to tire myself. I have a bang tomorrow.

So, I got this girl's line ID and we started chatting.

I ask her how much she expects and she replies it's up to me. I don't want to underpay her or overpay her.

I would like to know how much is the appropriate payment for short or long time?

Fellow mongers,

I have picked up a few FL at the Insanity nightclub in the past. From what I have been told, Insanity is now closed.

Which nightclubs do you currently recommend to pick up FL? Ideally similar to what Insanity used to be. I have done some take outs from Thermae and it is not close to Insanity IMHO. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

/ Kirsia.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2789155]So, I casually strolled into Thermae bar around 8 pm and I found a few good looking chicks. I only talked to the ones who smiled at me. I found someone I liked but I had already busted by nut thrice today so I just didn't want to tire myself. I have a bang tomorrow.

So, I got this girl's line ID and we started chatting.

I ask her how much she expects and she replies it's up to me. I don't want to underpay her or overpay her.

I would like to know how much is the appropriate payment for short or long time?[/QUOTE]Nice I've been there quite a few times this year and mostly got quoted 3 k. A few said 2500. One said 4500, from what I learned, they'll just saying a higher rate when they don't really want to go with you instead of just saying No to you. So I'd suggest 2500 and maybe some tip if you really like her service.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2789262]Nice I've been there quite a few times this year and mostly got quoted 3 k. A few said 2500. One said 4500, from what I learned, they'll just saying a higher rate when they don't really want to go with you instead of just saying No to you. So I'd suggest 2500 and maybe some tip if you really like her service.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

A quick post on my experience in late Jan:

Soi Cowboy: Buzzing, great vibe. Quality of the girls has improved substantially (imo) but quite a few Coyotes. ST quotes were all in the 3-4 K range. LD rates have gone up from my last visit. Spent a fair amount of time in Suzy, Baccarat, Krazy Kong. Lot of drinks bought but BF'ed from KK. Good time as I didn't have high expectations.

Managed to hit a BJ bar I hadn't been to the next morning. Duangporn's Haven. Went with a chubby girl who was next up in the turn list, turned out it was her first day on the job. She was gagging but was a trooper. Loved the experience and she had a super beautiful face. Can't really recommend based on this one experience.

Cheers / Pulse.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2789155]I would like to know how much is the appropriate payment for short or long time?[/QUOTE]2500 if you want to be fair. That's been the Thermae rate for years. If she's one of the top lookers there and she performed well 3000 is fair but that's up to you. I haven't heard up to you from a girl in years. Curious to see if up to you is really up to you after you bang her.

So in other words, based on your reporting that Soi 11 has seen an influx of "gay men" presumably looking to pick up LB's that you can tell or others can determine that these guys are gay based on what exactly? The way they dress, or comb their air, or mannerisms, or do they walk on Soi 11 like they are tiptoeing through the tulips? Once again, your comments and / or observations are absurd.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2789069]A ladyboy is man. Men who sleep with other men are gay. Nothing to be ashamed of.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2789306]A quick post on my experience in late Jan:

Soi Cowboy: Buzzing, great vibe. Quality of the girls has improved substantially (imo) but quite a few Coyotes. ST quotes were all in the 3-4 K range. LD rates have gone up from my last visit. Spent a fair amount of time in Suzy, Baccarat, Krazy Kong. Lot of drinks bought but BF'ed from KK. Good time as I didn't have high expectations.

Managed to hit a BJ bar I hadn't been to the next morning. Duangporn's Haven. Went with a chubby girl who was next up in the turn list, turned out it was her first day on the job. She was gagging but was a trooper. Loved the experience and she had a super beautiful face. Can't really recommend based on this one experience.

Cheers / Pulse.[/QUOTE]I got 4 months in Thailand, sans 1 border trip to SIN or Vietnam.

Can someone convince me to allocate one night to Soi Cowboy. . no offense SiR.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2789155]So, I casually strolled into Thermae bar around 8 pm and I found a few good looking chicks. I only talked to the ones who smiled at me. I found someone I liked but I had already busted by nut thrice today so I just didn't want to tire myself. I have a bang tomorrow.

So, I got this girl's line ID and we started chatting.

I ask her how much she expects and she replies it's up to me. I don't want to underpay her or overpay her.

I would like to know how much is the appropriate payment for short or long time?[/QUOTE]It's really not up to you.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2788443]Great reports! They're fun to read and very informative and detailed. I'm glad there's not too much of a backlash on you spending so much. Glad to hear you're having fun out there!

I recommend you give FiwFans a try [URL]https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rae5lvkw0xzzk6[/URL][/QUOTE]FiwFans is something I've toyed with a bit, but I've read a few stories on the site that suggest on quite a few occasions, the girls might not even bother / have a chance to change sheets between customers. Even the possibility of that is something that is a major turnoff for me. I've translated the site and checked out quite a few profiles, and virtually every single girl notes that she's only willing to work at her place and doesn't do outcall, so thus far I haven't bothered with it.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2788694]Great report, I guess I shouldn't be surprised most of the girls at The Pimp are working on the side and they are straight up about it. That makes it worth the cost a bit more but how often does that happen?

Have you thought about checking out Black Caviar, La Belle or Poseidon?[/QUOTE]Yes. I'll be back in a few days and mean to check out those three places!

[QUOTE=Volterra;2788758]Saw your other report about the Pimp. You tanked up on Johnny Walker and 4 girls at your table, but did you take either of your girls back to hotel? Sounds like they were the real stunners.[/QUOTE]Nope, for two reasons. One, to be frank, when I'm piss-drunk I'm the type that tends to just want to pass out and sleep, haha. Second, the colleague I went to the Pimp with knows that I'm married. While I don't think he'd ever say anything, I maintain tight opsec as a general policy. I got LINE's, am in contact, and intend to call'm out when I'm back in town.

Every girl I chatted with in Themae back in November quoted me 3 K for ST. You should also ask what kind of service you are getting. Is it CBJ or BBBJ, etc.

[QUOTE=ChaChumplin;2789392]It's really not up to you.[/QUOTE]

Rainbow 5 on Valentine's day was a Massacre. Ready to go in at 930 pm. Had just 6 dancers in one stage and 2 on the other.

Millions upon millions of tourists say Tourist Authority. Most must be bypassing Nana and heading to the Temples.

P.S. Those Soi 4 frontage open air bars weren't all that busy either.

Has Nana become a Weekend hotspot. Sure looks like it.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2789550]FiwFans is something I've toyed with a bit, but I've read a few stories on the site that suggest on quite a few occasions, the girls might not even bother / have a chance to change sheets between customers. Even the possibility of that is something that is a major turnoff for me. I've translated the site and checked out quite a few profiles, and virtually every single girl notes that she's only willing to work at her place and doesn't do outcall, so thus far I haven't bothered with it..[/QUOTE]Considering where these gals mouths, hands, and nether regions have been, and most multiple times per day, and the fact we have no idea about their personal hygiene standards, the sheets should probably be the least of your worries. Whether Fiwfans, Go-Gos, FLs, soapies, oilies, etc, it's all a risk. I DFK, DATY, and rim with abandon. I don't BBFS but everything else is full on. The risk is an unfortunate but real part of the hobby. And I've never picked up any skin issue from sheets and I've been in some pretty hardcore brothels in my time.

So, I'd advise you to not worry about it and give Fiwfans a try.

[QUOTE=Gladiator69;2789573]Every girl I chatted with in Themae back in November quoted me 3 K for ST. You should also ask what kind of service you are getting. Is it CBJ or BBBJ, etc.[/QUOTE]That's nice to know.

Unfortunately, that girl flaked. Not a big deal.

I found a few nice looking girls in MPs near where I stay.

A report on that coming up soon.

Thermae: I am always quoted 2-2500 B ST. There was a great selection on Tuesday evening. However, Thermae peak is now before 11 as all the hotties are gone before then.

I know at least 5 girls there who have been there for 5 years or so. One of them is actually hotter now that she is older.

Billboard: Great lineup but packed with punters. Get there early (I didn't unfortunately).

Twister: LOads of heavily tatted slinky wild acting silicone bimbos. I was immediately provided a puffy lipped baseball titted Sisaket princess for my viewing pleasure. Quoted 3 k ST. Lady drinks B205.

Rainbows: Little talent at midnightish.

Nana street girls were awful, especially the real girls. Soi 11 was hopping but I didn't venture down. Same with Beer Bar Soi.

The Arab selling weed on the corner of Soi Arab has Moon Rocks for those of you who like those. Same as US price $20/ g and excellent quality and very kiefy.

Rainbow s were back to some semblance of activity on Wednesday.

I guess Valentine's day was to be Celebrated with their Thai boyfriend's. Arent they rated like Best Lovers or something. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2789550]
Yes. I'll be back in a few days and mean to check out those three places!
[/QUOTE]Awesome, I hope things work out. Do you or does anyone else have suggestions for Thai Nightlife Social Media? Many of the blogs are now super out of date, dead or obviously fake, is there anything else to look at aside stuff on KapooClub, Telegram and Line Groups? Or other sites like Raknoi?

Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2790073]Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.[/QUOTE]I tried a few Thermae ladies and they all gave BJ, but most of them were CBJ. You just need to figure out the details (I didn't have too guess I was lucky) before you take her with you. But yea the normal Thermae ladies was no kissing and I only got CBJ. This one lady I saw used to work at MP so she's a professional and not a typical Thermae lady. You can see her at the 9 min mark. She gave nice BBBJ and only visit from all the thai ladies i saw that did some BLS.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwok19fzIgc&t=540s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2790073]Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Lcale1982;2790111]I tried a few Thermae ladies and they all gave BJ, but most of them were CBJ. You just need to figure out the details (I didn't have too guess I was lucky) before you take her with you. But yea the normal Thermae ladies was no kissing and I only got CBJ. This one lady I saw used to work at MP so she's a professional and not a typical Thermae lady. You can see her at the 9 min mark. She gave nice BBBJ and only visit from all the thai ladies i saw that did some BLS.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwok19fzIgc&t=540s[/URL][/QUOTE]DFK or BBBJ's with a friendly attitude should be the default with all pro Thai girls. Why go to Thermae if it is as bad as you guys report.

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2789231]Fellow mongers,

I have picked up a few FL at the Insanity nightclub in the past. From what I have been told, Insanity is now closed.

Which nightclubs do you currently recommend to pick up FL? Ideally similar to what Insanity used to be. I have done some take outs from Thermae and it is not close to Insanity IMHO. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

/ Kirsia.[/QUOTE]Levels always has plenty of FL but in my experience it's a harder than Insanity was to pick up a younger girl. Insanity I always found someone in the 20-27 range. But I strike out in Levels 30% of the time. Others may have info on other places.

Can anyone confirm if the Russian / Uzbek girls are back in BKK? I was there last in July '22 and they were not there. I wonder whether the scene has improved since.

Old haunts like Bossy and CM2 (below Novotel Siam Square) have long closed. Mixx is very moody / weird about allowing entrance. Under these circumstances, a sure shot club for these girls has been Shock 39, near Makkasan station. I wonder whether it has opened now (it was closed when I went last). Does anyone have any info?

They were missing at Grace Hotel too, which is usually a hotspot for these girls, especially after they finish their club-hopping sojourns. The Arab areas in the vicinity, all the way up to Soi 11 also proved futile on this front. Some folks I met discouraged me from going to Pattaya for them, so I didn't. Otherwise, they are easy to find in Nasha and some of the other clubs there.

Dubai on the other hand has been teeming with these girls for quite a while now. I am wondering which direction to go for them, although I am always inclined toward BKK for a variety of reasons.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2790111]I tried a few Thermae ladies and they all gave BJ, but most of them were CBJ. You just need to figure out the details (I didn't have too guess I was lucky) before you take her with you. But yea the normal Thermae ladies was no kissing and I only got CBJ. This one lady I saw used to work at MP so she's a professional and not a typical Thermae lady. You can see her at the 9 min mark. She gave nice BBBJ and only visit from all the thai ladies i saw that did some BLS.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwok19fzIgc&t=540s[/URL][/QUOTE]And the quality of the looks, I would avoid the whole Thermae experience. MHO.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2790117]DFK or BBBJ's with a friendly attitude should be the default with all pro Thai girls. Why go to Thermae if it is as bad as you guys report.[/QUOTE]These days, I just go to Thermae to have a beer and for the eye candy. I do a few rounds and make some eye contact with the ladies. When my beer is finished, I leave. I do not give them what they want.

P.S. If you use the toilet in Thermae upstairs? (I forget) Do NOT pay the crazy woman 20 Baht. She has no business being there. The toilet is not hers. She is charging you for using her toiletries like tissues and sanitizers. It's another Thailand scam. So do your thing and wash your hands and leave. If she says 20 Baht, then ignore her or tell her to fuck off. She will try hard to get you to use her tissues so that she can charge you 20 Baht. So just ignore her and leave. You will leave with wet hands, but you will save 20 Baht.

[QUOTE=Falcon 95;2790073]Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them[/QUOTE]

Don't recall a Thermae girl who I didn't DFK. Maybe one I may have forgotten. Helps that we share 50 mints while we shower together. Yes I have had some who try to skip BJ altogether until you remind them. Then they will oblige. BBBJ is 50/50 but if you want to be certain about BBBJ just ask before you take a girl.

It is true though some guys fail miserably at Thermae. It's not for everyone. Maybe it helps because I can speak some Thai.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2790073]Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.[/QUOTE]Just tell them what's up before giving them money. Thermae girls aren't some magic thing, they're FLs that just are down in the bar right then instead of on the street. You can get whatever you want from a FL, they are just more varied in what they offer than MP girls. Money solves all problems, and its often, it doesn't take much. But just some discussion can solve the problem too some of the time. Never forget these people are simply sex workers, treat them like a sex worker. Not mean, not bad, but don't for a second forget what's happening is an exchange of cash for sex, and despite poor business skills of these girls, they want that money as much or more than you want sex.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2790245]Don't recall a Thermae girl who I didn't DFK. Maybe one I may have forgotten. Helps that we share 50 mints while we shower together. Yes I have had some who try to skip BJ altogether until you remind them. Then they will oblige. BBBJ is 50/50 but if you want to be certain about BBBJ just ask before you take a girl.

It is true though some guys fail miserably at Thermae. It's not for everyone. Maybe it helps because I can speak some Thai.[/QUOTE]I get everything I want from any girl I want in Thermae. But its not, as BB says, for everyone. Reading the reports, its guys who have made multiple trips or live here who do the best.

I don't speak Thai worth a hoot, but I know how to work a place I have been going to for 20 years. And yes, I tip the tissue lady in the bathroom. 20 baht is 70 centsish. And I tip the staff, and greet every one of those old guys who have been there for years, and smile at the girls and even take one when the mood hits me so that the guys get their share.

And I don't negotiate over $15.

And as a result, its like going to my local back in the world.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2790073]Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.[/QUOTE]Wow, really? Fuck that shit. In Singapore I have my pick of Thermae quality girls who give a full 90 min including BBBJ, CIM, DFK for about 3500 Baht without getting on a plane, paying for hotels etc. If you are okay with MILF you can throw in rimming, deep throat and occasionally anal for the same price. I've never picked Thermae girl though I have browsed the selection in the past.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2790330]Wow, really? Fuck that shit. In Singapore I have my pick of Thermae quality girls who give a full 90 min including BBBJ, CIM, DFK for about 3500 Baht without getting on a plane, paying for hotels etc. If you are okay with MILF you can throw in rimming, deep throat and occasionally anal for the same price. I've never picked Thermae girl though I have browsed the selection in the past.[/QUOTE]If you can get that in Singapore, then you definitely should not bother with Thermae girls. You will be hugely disappointed. Much better to go to Soi Cowboy agogos. It's more expensive because of the lady drinks and the barfine. But you have a higher chance of being satisfied. With Thermae girls, it's 99% that they will let you down.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2790330]Wow, really? Fuck that shit. In Singapore I have my pick of Thermae quality girls who give a full 90 min including BBBJ, CIM, DFK for about 3500 Baht without getting on a plane, paying for hotels etc. If you are okay with MILF you can throw in rimming, deep throat and occasionally anal for the same price. I've never picked Thermae girl though I have browsed the selection in the past.[/QUOTE]Where in SG?

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2790251]Just tell them what's up before giving them money. Thermae girls aren't some magic thing, they're FLs that just are down in the bar right then instead of on the street. You can get whatever you want from a FL, they are just more varied in what they offer than MP girls. Money solves all problems, and its often, it doesn't take much. But just some discussion can solve the problem too some of the time. Never forget these people are simply sex workers, treat them like a sex worker. Not mean, not bad, but don't for a second forget what's happening is an exchange of cash for sex, and despite poor business skills of these girls, they want that money as much or more than you want sex.[/QUOTE]Well, this was in 2019 before Covid. I approached 5 Thermae girls and enquired about blowjob. I didn't specify CBJ or BBBJ. 4 of them said hell no to blowjob. One said she will do CBJ. But she did not seem too enthusiastic about it. So I said adios and left.

This trick was new to me. Made a deal with a bar girl who was on the street in front of her bar. She wanted to collect the 600 baht bar fine directly from me. I insisted on paying mamasan directly and learned the proper BF was 300 baht. I'm sure that has happened before, I just didn't know it.

I realize that it’s not standard to do a bar fine without first buying a drink for either her or me, but I’ve done it quite a bit in recent months.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2790117]DFK or BBBJ's with a friendly attitude should be the default with all pro Thai girls. Why go to Thermae if it is as bad as you guys report.[/QUOTE]I never understood why people are into it, other than it being a sure fire thing at the end of the night. For me personally sex without kissing, without BJ (not a CBJ) just isn't sex.

For that poor service why not just use sideline girls and save money? Or spend a little more and go to a soapy / brothel during the daytime.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2790419]I never understood why people are into it, other than it being a sure fire thing at the end of the night. For me personally sex without kissing, without BJ (not a CBJ) just isn't sex.

For that poor service why not just use sideline girls and save money? Or spend a little more and go to a soapy / brothel during the daytime.[/QUOTE]I think it's the same reason a lot of guys prefer using [URL]Seeking.com[/URL], they think the girls aren't pros and haven't fucked as many guys but the hot ones are probably getting customers every night.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2790509]I think it's the same reason a lot of guys prefer using [URL]Seeking.com[/URL], they think the girls aren't pros and haven't fucked as many guys but the hot ones are probably getting customers every night.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would imagine that is the reason. I've never understood that myself. I mean hey, a quick shower and she might as well be a virgin.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2790351]Well, this was in 2019 before Covid. I approached 5 Thermae girls and enquired about blowjob. I didn't specify CBJ or BBBJ. 4 of them said hell no to blowjob. One said she will do CBJ. But she did not seem too enthusiastic about it. So I said adios and left.[/QUOTE]And while all these complaints are being written, I walked into Thermae last night (Friday), and ended up upstairs with a hottie who proceeded to gobble me up. I told her she wasnt supposed to be doing that, but she didn't understand English and gagged herself with the same spirit as possesed by a Wood Bar top tier vacuum, albiet my selection here was far better looking.

By all means, leave the Thermae to the Asians. More for me. In at 9, and catch the last MRT out smiling, stoned and drained.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2790399]This trick was new to me. Made a deal with a bar girl who was on the street in front of her bar. She wanted to collect the 600 baht bar fine directly from me. I insisted on paying mamasan directly and learned the proper BF was 300 baht. I'm sure that has happened before, I just didn't know it.

I realize that its not standard to do a bar fine without first buying a drink for either her or me, but Ive done it quite a bit in recent months.[/QUOTE]Another trick is you barfine a girl once and then you tell her you will barfine her again the next day. Then she will say, "Why don't you give me the barfine money now? Then, I will just come to your hotel tomorrow. You can save energy. " You give her the barfine money and you never see her again. You go to her bar and tell management what had happened. They say the girl did not have to come to work that day because the previous day was the last day of her contract.

The girl is either at home counting her money or she is working at another bar. She might even return to the same bar after a week or two off.

Got back in Bangkok two days ago. One of the girls from the Pimp I met last week offered to pick me up at the airport, and she actually did! Brought me a cold beverage as well, then drove me to the JW in her Camry. Was nice! Treated her to a sushi dinner in response. Was on her period, so we parted ways after that with a promise to meet after.

Since I was pretty sore and bone tired from all the flying I've been doing, but still wanted some release, I ended up booking Dior from Cbody Massage, outcall to my hotel. Credit where credit is due. She was very prompt and identical to pictures on the site, and was both playful and affectionate. Gave a damn good 70 minute oily massage and finished with a nice handjob. Total damage was 1900, and will definitely repeat myself. I felt really great afterwards! If you are ever in that situation where you are just tired and sore and want to get a nut off, but don't really want to move, this is a great option. I'm going to check out their actual shop later.

Next day, went to the Pimp again. I have two bottles left from the package to finish! Managed to finish one of them with three girls, two of them repeats from before. At around midnight, I ended up taking back the one I wanted. A really hot white skinned 21 yr old Bangkok University student (saw the ID), very good English for a Thai. Petite spinner type (38 kg) who still somehow had a nice, soft, real B cup chest. Yummy! Stayed with me until around 5 AM, at which I was going to pass out, and so she bounced. 9000 baht damage. Would repeat all day long, and am in fact scheduling for such.

Now here's the annoying thing. Apparently the standard barfine here is now 8000 baht, which is crazy! Read in the past that there was no barfine here, but definitely not the case now, or at least not for the bikini girls. I managed to get around it this time, due to a confluence of events (my original mamasan had quit, I may or may not have promised to buy another 20k package from the new mamasan, plus I arrived at Pimp with the girl who wasn't scheduled to be working that day), but it was emphasized to me that this was a very special situation. My recommendation is, just get Line on initial trips from girls who go out, then schedule with them independently if you can. Tipping well also helps in this regard. I hear the girls get just under half of the sitting fee, but keep all cash tips, so it makes a big difference to them.

That's my Thermae girl a couple of months ago who DFK, BBBJ for quite some time, sucked on my balls, listened to my instructions of how I liked it, let me DATY, rub her clit when I plowed her covered. The only thing was she did not allow all lights turned on, had to dim the light a little. Got her Line and repeated with her 4 nights in a row. My advice is just negotiate before taking the girl out.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2790351]Well, this was in 2019 before Covid. I approached 5 Thermae girls and enquired about blowjob. I didn't specify CBJ or BBBJ. 4 of them said hell no to blowjob. One said she will do CBJ. But she did not seem too enthusiastic about it. So I said adios and left.[/QUOTE]

Friday. Drama at entrance to Nana Plaza. God awful ugly Bargirl making a scene,. Funny part is her Boyfriend fit good looking European, youngish guy. Hahaha.

Security let her tire herself out but was ready to intervene.

One data point. Saturday 3 Gupta's were denied entry. That's 3 drink s total $10 in lost revenue. LOL.

First time at Pimp. Decided to go with the flow and did. At a hefty price but I did not care. I went straight for a room. 25-30 girls lined up. Picked 3. Got JW and the party started. After some time in room the tops came of & I could tell that two passed while one was too much bolt on. Stayed for a few hours and BF two girls out. Final bill was VERY hefty, but I had been warned. Ended up in my suite where one fell asleep while me and the other girl went fucking in the other room. We had extremely good compatibility and although well over 20 years age difference we really fucked well together. She had and amazing body and pussy that milked my member like a sucking fish. Fun thing was we laughed a lot while fucking. We were drunk and just had a great time. I could marry her. She had a ton of class.

She had to go & the second girl woke up. She was horny and flat out said she wanted to come. Although she was really beautiful I could not fuck her that well, which I regret. I played her pussy as good as I could. She said she came but I am not sure. I was wasted, so was she. She left in the early morning hours and I had to take a full day off.

Recommend PIMP? Yes, although expensive as hell and I need to go easier on the whiskey.

There’s a lot more to say but I should stop right here.

Had a great time but got sucked up by the beauty of number 92. Strong farmers girl with a stunning strong body and well made tits. She was busy so I could not get to her. Could not refocus on other girls to get rid of my onetis for 92, so I had to leave. I wonder if anyone got to take her out & can report.

Went there and sat around for a while. Many Koreans in the lobby. Looked at all girls for a while and say nothing of interest at any level. All same noses and de-thaied by surgeons. I guess Korean flavor, maybe. Not my cup of tea so I left and won't be back for years. Went to pretty relax (kapoo) nearby but saw nothing of interest.

[QUOTE=BHawk;2790781]Had a great time but got sucked up by the beauty of number 92. Strong farmers girl with a stunning strong body and well made tits. She was busy so I could not get to her. Could not refocus on other girls to get rid of my onetis for 92, so I had to leave. I wonder if anyone got to take her out & can report.[/QUOTE]Built like an OXEN. , hahaha?

Went to thermae yesterday so sharing my experience.

Crowded with a ton of freelancers lined up around the room. The place is kinda ghetto and weird. Tons of guys (mainly Asian) walking around and checking out / hiring girls. I bought a drink and walked around to get a feel for the scene. Most girls don't approach you. Some make eye contact and few will give you the look or even approach you but there were only a few that I was remotely interested in.

Finally, on my second drink, I got a bit of courage and started talking with a few girls that I liked. I spoke with the hot ones, average looks, and others that hit on me. But ended up going with an average-looking chick. She seemed to be the smartest and had the best attitude when we chatted. Sex was good, and she even gave me BBBJ and some ball play. She wasn't stunning but was a very enjoyable experience. So, those that say thermae girls don't do XYZ, they do. But you need to find the girl that wants you or else you probably won't get the whole package. I spoke with girls that looked hotter than the one I picked but they wouldn't go to my place and they charged slightly higher so didn't go with them.

Damage 4.5 k (3 hours, 2 shots).

Overall, thermae is an easy place to pickup freelancers but it's not for me. A bit too transactional and direct. I like a bit of roleplay / real environment if that makes any sense.

[QUOTE=LoyalJohn;2791365]Went to thermae yesterday so sharing my experience.

She seemed to be the smartest and had the best attitude when we chatted. Sex was good, and she even gave me BBBJ and some ball play. She wasn't stunning but was a very enjoyable experience. So, those that say thermae girls don't do XYZ, they do.

Damage 4.5 k (3 hours, 2 shots).
.[/QUOTE]It could just be the way you write but you paid 130 USD for a not good looking girl and she 'even gave you a BBBJ' LOL you should probably start agreeing what services are on offer while negotiating with the girl.

[QUOTE=LoyalJohn;2791365]Went to thermae yesterday so sharing my experience.

Crowded with a ton of freelancers lined up around the room. The place is kinda ghetto and weird. Tons of guys (mainly Asian) walking around and checking out / hiring girls. I bought a drink and walked around to get a feel for the scene. Most girls don't approach you. Some make eye contact and few will give you the look or even approach you but there were only a few that I was remotely interested in.

Finally, on my second drink, I got a bit of courage and started talking with a few girls that I liked. I spoke with the hot ones, average looks, and others that hit on me. But ended up going with an average-looking chick. She seemed to be the smartest and had the best attitude when we chatted. Sex was good, and she even gave me BBBJ and some ball play. She wasn't stunning but was a very enjoyable experience. So, those that say thermae girls don't do XYZ, they do. But you need to find the girl that wants you or else you probably won't get the whole package. I spoke with girls that looked hotter than the one I picked but they wouldn't go to my place and they charged slightly higher so didn't go with them.

Damage 4.5 k (3 hours, 2 shots).

Overall, thermae is an easy place to pickup freelancers but it's not for me. A bit too transactional and direct. I like a bit of roleplay / real environment if that makes any sense.[/QUOTE]I really meant the stunners at Thermae do not give blowjobs (CBJ or BBBJ). But it makes little difference to me. I can't get the stunners anyway.

But I'm glad that you found a BBBJ girl at Thermae and that you were satisfied with her. In the end, that's all that matters.

Over recent months I've read posts dissing the Bangkok street freelancers. From my recent personal experience, there have been some lookers within about 25 meters of Thermae. Yes, you need to be careful because they are mixed among the lady boys and uglies. On Sunday night I had one who was beautiful but no better than an average performer, she was especially beautiful naked. Early this morning I had one of average beauty who was a fantastic performer. There were more beauties on Friday and Saturday evenings than on Sunday and Monday evenings, those nights I was occupied at the Soi 4 beer bars and Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2791483]It could just be the way you write but you paid 130 USD for a not good looking girl and she 'even gave you a BBBJ' LOL you should probably start agreeing what services are on offer while negotiating with the girl.[/QUOTE]I did agree and negotiate before hand. I'm fine with 4. 5 k and got FS with BBBJ without asking for it. Also, the girl looked good, she had natural tits and round butt. It's just that my standards are very high when paying.

And in comparison, I've been with some top models so in comparison most girls in thermae weren't as hot. I couldn't gotten a Betts better looking girl but didn't like their attitude, prices were higher and probably wouldn't have a good time.

Overall, I don't just pick the hottest girl anymore. I pick the girl that's hot enough and is into me.

Hey all; first time in Bangkok and I just arrived. Can someone tell me what kind of pricing I should expect to pay for short-time / long time?

Last night was my first time and went to Nana Plaza; a girl there asked 5000 bah for 1 shot ST and that's before bar fine of 1000. This seemed very expensive so I just paid my 2000 bar tab and left (I bought the girl 3 rounds of drinks).

Why have posts stopped?

Is there a problem Houston?

Or just no content being posted?

[QUOTE=TurboST;2792256]Hey all; first time in Bangkok and I just arrived. Can someone tell me what kind of pricing I should expect to pay for short-time / long time?

Last night was my first time and went to Nana Plaza; a girl there asked 5000 bah for 1 shot ST and that's before bar fine of 1000. This seemed very expensive so I just paid my 2000 bar tab and left (I bought the girl 3 rounds of drinks).[/QUOTE]IIRC last month I got quoted some BF. 8-1. 5 and ST around 3. Went to some gogos in Pattaya and BKK. Yeah 5 k st is expensive. I tried out some tf / fiwfans for around 1. 5-2 total.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2792332] I tried out some tf / fiwfans for around 1. 5-2 total.[/QUOTE]Were they as pretty as the top gogo girls? If so, can you PM some links.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2792389]Were they as pretty as the top gogo girls? If so, can you PM some links.[/QUOTE] I've been using online almost exclusively since the end of 2020 using the predecessor to fiwfans initially. Overall I'd say if you do your research, fiwfans gals are prettier than the majority of gogo gals. They have to be as it's really for the local punters whose would not be interested in the vast majority of gals working in the farang oriented sector. But also be aware that the prettier girls are quite busy and it might be difficult to get a booking.

It really does require a lot of effort and time though. Spend some time on fiwfans and the associated telegram groups, using Chrome to translate telegram from Thai. You'll find some gems. And won't have to put up with the gogo environment. But if you don't want to put in the time researching it, don't bother, because if you just choose from the photos chances are you're not going to have a great experience. I definitely say it's not for the tourist.

[QUOTE=TurboST;2792256]Hey all; first time in Bangkok and I just arrived. Can someone tell me what kind of pricing I should expect to pay for short-time / long time?

Last night was my first time and went to Nana Plaza; a girl there asked 5000 bah for 1 shot ST and that's before bar fine of 1000. This seemed very expensive so I just paid my 2000 bar tab and left (I bought the girl 3 rounds of drinks).[/QUOTE]Hey Big Spender! 5 k is getting up there. Worth it as long as no qualifier, aka--saggy stuff, skin blemishes, etc.

[QUOTE=TurboST;2792256]
...Last night was my first time and went to Nana Plaza; a girl there asked 5000 bah for 1 shot ST and that's before bar fine of 1000. This seemed very expensive so I just paid my 2000 bar tab and left (I bought the girl 3 rounds of drinks).[/QUOTE]5 k ST is pretty steep for a gogo girl in NEP if you ask me. I've met my fav Billboard girl a few weeks ago while I have been away for over three years. She mentioned that prices went up and quoted 7 k LT which was 5 K pre-covid but was ok with 6 k she said.

They're getting 80 bath per lady drink instead of 60 pre-covid if I remember correctly. She mentioned that BF was still the same as pre-covid which I believe was 700 or could have been 800 Bath.

2 k bar tab? You must have stayed there quite some time. Three rounds of lady drinks were probably double lady drinks. In case you like to spend your cash then no problem. But if you want to have some control on the lady drinks then ask her what she wants and see that she takes one drink only (or a tequila or a coke instead of tequila & coke) then you order her drink directly with the waitress. As it seems to be your first time you might not be aware of it.

What's the name of the bar you went to?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2791504]Over recent months I've read posts dissing the Bangkok street freelancers. From my recent personal experience, there have been some lookers within about 25 meters of Thermae. Yes, you need to be careful because they are mixed among the lady boys and uglies. On Sunday night I had one who was beautiful but no better than an average performer, she was especially beautiful naked. Early this morning I had one of average beauty who was a fantastic performer. There were more beauties on Friday and Saturday evenings than on Sunday and Monday evenings, those nights I was occupied at the Soi 4 beer bars and Nana Plaza.[/QUOTE]And the price you paid was? Please.

Had no success in Maria Entertainment so I was eager. I've been to Poseidon a few times over the years. Never had a bad experience. So I went there again. They have reorganized. Model lounge upstairs closed. AlL girls now on bottom floor, divided in levels. I eventually picked two girls of the model levels. One really cute and one with boobs. I can give their numbers in PM. Total damage around 12 K. Off to the room. Nekkid and tub. Cleaning, kissing and fondling. Dry up and over to the bed. Had a fantastic time. I always feel great being with two girls who are different. Cute had a really really sweet face, small tits and a fine body. Maybe mixed race. Super sweet face. She was petite. Boob was taller, good size natural breasts and a toned body. More average face.

I always feel so dirty and horny when I have two girls together. For example fucking one, holding one breast, while kissing the other one deep and holding her breast or fingering her pussy, making her ready for the shift. I ended up swapping girl to fuck, positions (and condom) 6-7 times. Eventually I came close. Pulled out of Boobs and had her jerk me off until I came mostly over Cute.

Gave the girls a good tip and they took me down the elevator. Left very satisfied and could easily repeat with these two. Poseidon is a trusty provider I must say. They've always had 1-2 girls that fit my desire for the day and the attitude of the girls has always been good or great.

[QUOTE=TurboST;2792256]I just paid my 2000 bar tab and left (I bought the girl 3 rounds of drinks).[/QUOTE]Woooah buddy. Lay off the girlie drinks. A bar tab in a gogo should not be this much unless you're getting completely hammered. Don't let this girls take you for a ride on the lady drink train. You don't even need to buy them one, let alone more than one.

At about 12:30 am Friday morning, all the ST rooms in the Miami and Ruamchit were filled.

There were pods of young Japanese fish in Nana, but I wanst particularly impressed with the lineup around. The pods moved to the Thermae, see above.

There are some scary ladyboys out by the beer bars. The African dudes that lurk are getting annoying, no dude, I don't need your help in anything. The Thais are so desperate for tourist cash that they allow these lowlives to hang out. Where is Big Jok when you need him.

The talent running down Soi Nana was atrocious again, at least the few real ladies there were.

There is no more Russian food at the Bamboo. No cook. There are a few Burkha babes around which makes me scratch my head but no mind.

I got refused at Thermae "you power" with a smile, I feel for some of these girls when a bunch of 26 year old Montana cowboys come to town, like were prowling the other night. No wonder some of the girls refuse. I have a regular there though, but clearly they all talk.

The BJ bars were yuck, viz Kasalong, Lolitas, Majic Table, Wood Bar. Yuck.

I almost checked out the soapies, but got a text off Tinder so saved that trip for later.

Far more cops downtown than I have seen in years.

I'm still looking for Russian girls. I've been told that all the clubs are dead.

I've been avoiding Soi 11. Is there any reason to go down there?

In November 2022, returned to BKK and the first impression was it was very clean and low key. I visited Asian Delights. I was there at opening and had a choice of 3 but none were fantastic. Tatoos, no BBBJ and no kissing made the whole hour forgettable. 200 tip. Returned in January 2023 and the place seem to have picked up a tick. Visited DOZO massage. Had a young-looking girl who peeled off 3 inches of boob in the room. Finished CIM and 1000 tip. Gave her my contact. Had her for 3 mornings in my hotel. GFE and bareback after we took some pharmacological precautions. She liked mounting me and then chatting and kissing for 5 to 10 minutes with me in situ and her grinding and stimulating her clit. Once she slipped in a tiny vibrator with me in situ. She had a loud orgasm after vaginal tenting. The early afternoon I left was a bit of a surprise. I went into a legit looking shop near ASOKE but it was empty. Unexpectedly, a few brushes during a good massage and residual Cialis had me hard and her looking at me. Nothing was said but she pulled down my massage pants and mounted me with her pants pulled to one side, in a cubicle with 4 mates but no long else. I had to push her off and she finished BBBJCIM. 1000 tip. Went to airport (Don Maueng) by train and it was cheap and easy. No jams. The BKK scene seemed less energetic but still vibrant now.

Does Rainbow in Nana Plaza employ post op lady boys. I was in the one on the first floor and took a girl back. Everything about her felt like a lady, but once we left the club her voice just sounded deeper then I'm use too. At one point I ran my finger over her neck and did not feel any Adam's apple. I also asked her twice and she said 200% she is a lady. I did not think clubs mixed in Nana as there are lady boy specific ones.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;2792960]Tatoos, no BBBJ and no kissing made the whole hour forgettable. 200 tip. [/QUOTE]Why the hell do people tip if service is not up to expectations. I can imagine chemistry not always being right, and even specific girls having their own pet peeves they don't enjoy or do well. However, doing neither BBBJ nor DFK clearly shows the lack of will and effort, can't be excused and deserves zero tip.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2793001]Why the hell do people tip if service is not up to expectations. I can imagine chemistry not always being right, and even specific girls having their own pet peeves they don't enjoy or do well. However, doing neither BBBJ nor DFK clearly shows the lack of will and effort, can't be excused and deserves zero tip.[/QUOTE]I have the same question. Is it out of some sort of guilt? Tipping for bad service just encourages bad service to continue. When service is not up to par I first let the girl know that I'm not happy and if it doesn't improve I'll put my clothes on, end the session, and have a talk with mamasan or the agent. One caveat, I always stress to the girl that I don't want her to do anything she's the slightest bit uncomfortable with and that usually puts them at ease so what normally transpires is I end up getting a good percentage of the money I have paid returned.

Some of the Rainbow bars in NEP do have LB's and possible Post op ones as well. Google "Stickman in Bangkok" recent reports, which explain the different aspects of all the Rainbow bars in Bangkok, especially at NEP. It's also possible that the Adam apple can be shaved down via an operation so that's not necessarily a proof of gender.

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2792968]Does Rainbow in Nana Plaza employ post op lady boys. I was in the one on the first floor and took a girl back. Everything about her felt like a lady, but once we left the club her voice just sounded deeper then I'm use too. At one point I ran my finger over her neck and did not feel any Adam's apple. I also asked her twice and she said 200% she is a lady. I did not think clubs mixed in Nana as there are lady boy specific ones.[/QUOTE]

Oskars has some really hot FL girls, albeit expensive, and the occasional vetted LB, thrown into the mix on most evenings. It turns from a cocktail lounge / restaurant at 10 pm into an annoying loud music joint. Sugar, a night club on the opposite from Oskars, supposedly gets some talent late. There is another Hillary's up on Soi 11 and the complex of bars about midway (Orange Bar) can have its moments.

I stayed at the Miami Hotel on this trip for a month. It's been renovated and is very nice and hardly a short time place, which it was at one time. However, there is a section of the hotel that has not been renovated, at least not yet. It's located on the second floor with rooms facing the street but was unaware it might be available for a short time liaison. Frankly, I would be surprised to hear this as I thought it was just used as rather dingy hotel rooms for either their staff or local non sex workers. The hotel, itself, charges 700 b for a joiner fee, which is posted on their front desk reception counter.

If you register as two people, I think this fee is waived unless you are trying to pull off a 3 some.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2792816]At about 12:30 am Friday morning, all the ST rooms in the Miami and Ruamchit were filled.

There were pods of young Japanese fish in Nana, but I wanst particularly impressed with the lineup around. The pods moved to the Thermae, see above.

There are some scary ladyboys out by the beer bars. The African dudes that lurk are getting annoying, no dude, I don't need your help in anything. The Thais are so desperate for tourist cash that they allow these lowlives to hang out. Where is Big Jok when you need him.

The talent running down Soi Nana was atrocious again, at least the few real ladies there were.

There is no more Russian food at the Bamboo. No cook. There are a few Burkha babes around which makes me scratch my head but no mind.

I got refused at Thermae "you power" with a smile, I feel for some of these girls when a bunch of 26 year old Montana cowboys come to town, like were prowling the other night. No wonder some of the girls refuse. I have a regular there though, but clearly they all talk.

The BJ bars were yuck, viz Kasalong, Lolitas, Majic Table, Wood Bar. Yuck.

I almost checked out the soapies, but got a text off Tinder so saved that trip for later.

Far more cops downtown than I have seen in years.

I'm still looking for Russian girls. I've been told that all the clubs are dead.

I've been avoiding Soi 11. Is there any reason to go down there?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2792968] I did not think clubs mixed in Nana as there are lady boy specific ones.[/QUOTE]Lots of mixed clubs in Nana. Always have been. This is nothing new. You'll find way more mixed bars in BKK than Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2793067]Oskars has some really hot FL girls, albeit expensive, and the occasional vetted LB, thrown into the mix on most evenings. It turns from a cocktail lounge / restaurant at 10 pm into an annoying loud music joint. Sugar, a night club on the opposite from Oskars, supposedly gets some talent late. There is another Hillary's up on Soi 11 and the complex of bars about midway (Orange Bar) can have its moments.
[/QUOTE]Last time I was in BKK I met a very nice MILF type FL in Oskars. I had met a Seeking lady there that didn't work out, and so after dinner she "huffed" her way out (she had a serious case of GPS and priced herself out of the market). I decided to hang around and was able to get a bar stool. One girl I really wanted to meet, but could not quite figure out if she was a true civilian with her friend or in the game. A nice lady sat down beside me and allowed me to start the convo. It turned out to be a fun rest of the evening with a very presentable and fun lady. We wound meeting the next two nights as well for dinner / drinks / adult fun. The last night she returned half the agreed fee and said I had treated her nice and she didn't want to make it all about the money. What a great marketing ploy, it worked as I saw her for one night on my last visit which was only two nights. I will give Sugar a look next time, and I have heard that Level also has a good number of available FL's. I prefer places that don't wait until midnight to get going, so we will see.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2793083]Lots of mixed clubs in Nana. Always have been. This is nothing new. You'll find way more mixed bars in BKK than Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Would the manager or host tell me if I asked them?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2792816]At about 12:30 am Friday morning, all the ST rooms in the Miami and Ruamchit were filled.

There were pods of young Japanese fish in Nana, but I wanst particularly impressed with the lineup around. The pods moved to the Thermae, see above.

There are some scary ladyboys out by the beer bars. The African dudes that lurk are getting annoying, no dude, I don't need your help in anything. The Thais are so desperate for tourist cash that they allow these lowlives to hang out. Where is Big Jok when you need him.

The talent running down Soi Nana was atrocious again, at least the few real ladies there were.

There is no more Russian food at the Bamboo. No cook. There are a few Burkha babes around which makes me scratch my head but no mind.

I got refused at Thermae "you power" with a smile, I feel for some of these girls when a bunch of 26 year old Montana cowboys come to town, like were prowling the other night. No wonder some of the girls refuse. I have a regular there though, but clearly they all talk.

The BJ bars were yuck, viz Kasalong, Lolitas, Majic Table, Wood Bar. Yuck.

I almost checked out the soapies, but got a text off Tinder so saved that trip for later.

Far more cops downtown than I have seen in years.

I'm still looking for Russian girls. I've been told that all the clubs are dead.

I've been avoiding Soi 11. Is there any reason to go down there?[/QUOTE]Soi 11.

Taco Bell and Burger King are reasons to go. Hahaha.

Before heading to Nana Plaza I go to Burger King to Chill.

It's my first time in Bangkok. I'd like to share some of my experiences and would love general advice or suggestions for new things to try.

I went to Billboards at Nana. I wanted to fuck a tiny girl, so I picked the smallest one I could find. She is 26 and incredible small. Her pussy was so tight. It was like those lips that grip porn videos. Her pussy was turning inside out around my dick when I would pull out. It was sexy as hell and so fun to watch in doggy, but I could tell she was in pain. I wouldn't repeat with her. She wouldn't kiss, and everything was quite mechanical and rushed.

Someone else on the forum said the girls usually provide better service when they pick you, so I tried Billboards again a few days later. There was a girl eyeing me every time she came around the carousel. She gave better service and was happy to DFK, but I still felt pressured as she kept asking me if I had come yet. She wanted to go for drinks afterward, which made me wonder why we didn't just keep fucking, and why things were so rushed in the first place. She also wanted to get my number, but I said no.

I am enjoying Doki Doki. Even though it isn't a GFE, I love the sensation of the Nuru massage. It seems the experience is different depending on the girl. My best time was with Bowvy. She's pretty flat chested, but her techniques left me in awe. I would definitely repeat. I didn't have as great of a time with another girl, but it was still nice. I think I should try some other nuru places.

Seeking is nice. A bit more expensive, but the girls are more real. It's pretty easy to find a girl who will go out with you for the evening and then sleep with you for 5000. The sex is more like a GFE too. I met one of the hottest girls I've ever slept with, but she's young and doesn't seem to have good techniques related to sex. Maybe I can teach her? Another I met was not as hot but was really enthusiastic. Having a girl that is into it makes all the difference for me. I need to find more girls like this.

Thermae is interesting. A lot of average looking girls, but it's fun to see them lined up. One offered herself and two friends (foursome) for 8000. I think I could have talked her down, but a mechanical foursome doesn't sound that enjoyable, and my impression is that's what you get from Thermae. She asked me to leave her alone after a while, because she was there to work. I felt like if she was nicer I may have wanted to take her upstairs. I don't think these girls understand how often they hurt themselves with their bad attitudes. I did take a girl up, and it wasn't great. The worst sex of the trip, but I wanted to experience Thermae. I won't be back.

I've seen some posts about The Pimp club, and I'm curious about it. I understand it is pricey. Someone said the BF is 6000? Wow. But the girls are super hot? Is it a fun place to hang out as a solo guy without friends?

Overall, I'm enjoying my time in Thailand. Any suggestions or advice are welcome. I'll continue to give reports of my experiences.

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2793103]Would the manager or host tell me if I asked them?[/QUOTE]I went to Lollipop about 4 years ago. There were about 4 obvious young petite and super cute girls and the rest were obvious post-ops. Even when I asked the actual girls they said it's all girls in the bar. I rolled my eyes at her and she stuck to her story. Why? Cause in Thailand a post-op is considered a girl. Same as all the post-ops you find on online sites. They will all tell you they're a girl even when they weren't born a girl.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2793126]Thermae is interesting. A lot of average looking girls, but it's fun to see them lined up. One offered herself and two friends (foursome) for 8000. I think I could have talked her down, but a mechanical foursome doesn't sound that enjoyable, and my impression is that's what you get from Thermae. She asked me to leave her alone after a while, because she was there to work. I felt like if she was nicer I may have wanted to take her upstairs. [/QUOTE]Each of us has a landing slot. You were occupying hers so no other potential customers could approach; no guy is going to cut in on another. By just talking with her once a deal was not going to be made, you were wasting her time (and yours) so she merely asked you to move on. She has a finite time to sell her [I]merchandise[/I] and time was a'wastin.

Works the same for us. If you're in a bar, a girl sits down next to you and you're not interested, tell her no thank you and she should move on as she's just losing time. She's occupying your landing slot and no girl (such as you might be interested in) will cut in on a colleague. Not rude, just business.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2793126]I think I should try some other nuru places.[/QUOTE]It's an assembly line shop for sure, but I enjoyed Kokoro nuru massage, and I'm NOT a fan of nuru, but the girl was a beauty in my eyes. I THINK the photos on their site are accurate.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2793126]Someone else on the forum said the girls usually provide better service when they pick you, so I tried Billboards again a few days later. There was a girl eyeing me every time she came around the carousel. She gave better service and was happy to DFK, but I still felt pressured as she kept asking me if I had come yet. She wanted to go for drinks afterward, which made me wonder why we didn't just keep fucking, and why things were so rushed in the first place. She also wanted to get my number, but I said no.[/QUOTE]Any girl that asks me "have I cum yet" is a "no repeat" for sure. As for going for drinks, extracts more money from you with no work on her part. You were wise to refuse.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2793126]It's my first time in Bangkok. I'd like to share some of my experiences and would love general advice or suggestions for new things to try.

I went to Billboards at Nana. I wanted to fuck a tiny girl, so I picked the smallest one I could find. She is 26 and incredible small. Her pussy was so tight. It was like those lips that grip porn videos. Her pussy was turning inside out around my dick when I would pull out. It was sexy as hell and so fun to watch in doggy, but I could tell she was in pain. I wouldn't repeat with her. She wouldn't kiss, and everything was quite mechanical and rushed.

Someone else on the forum said the girls usually provide better service when they pick you, so I tried Billboards again a few days later. There was a girl eyeing me every time she came around the carousel. She gave better service and was happy to DFK, but I still felt pressured as she kept asking me if I had come yet. She wanted to go for drinks afterward, which made me wonder why we didn't just keep fucking, and why things were so rushed in the first place. She also wanted to get my number, but I said no.

I am enjoying Doki Doki. Even though it isn't a GFE, I love the sensation of the Nuru massage. It seems the experience is different depending on the girl. My best time was with Bowvy. She's pretty flat chested, but her techniques left me in awe. I would definitely repeat. I didn't have as great of a time with another girl, but it was still nice. I think I should try some other nuru places.

Seeking is nice. A bit more expensive, but the girls are more real. It's pretty easy to find a girl who will go out with you for the evening and then sleep with you for 5000. The sex is more like a GFE too. I met one of the hottest girls I've ever slept with, but she's young and doesn't seem to have good techniques related to sex. Maybe I can teach her? Another I met was not as hot but was really enthusiastic. Having a girl that is into it makes all the difference for me. I need to find more girls like this.

Thermae is interesting. A lot of average looking girls, but it's fun to see them lined up. One offered herself and two friends (foursome) for 8000. I think I could have talked her down, but a mechanical foursome doesn't sound that enjoyable, and my impression is that's what you get from Thermae. She asked me to leave her alone after a while, because she was there to work. I felt like if she was nicer I may have wanted to take her upstairs. I don't think these girls understand how often they hurt themselves with their bad attitudes. I did take a girl up, and it wasn't great. The worst sex of the trip, but I wanted to experience Thermae. I won't be back.

I've seen some posts about The Pimp club, and I'm curious about it. I understand it is pricey. Someone said the BF is 6000? Wow. But the girls are super hot? Is it a fun place to hang out as a solo guy without friends?

Overall, I'm enjoying my time in Thailand. Any suggestions or advice are welcome. I'll continue to give reports of my experiences.[/QUOTE]Barfine was 8000, not 6000. Eesh. But yeah, there are a lot of stunners there!

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2793404]Barfine was 8000, not 6000. Eesh. But yeah, there are a lot of stunners there![/QUOTE]Pimp is great if you have atleast 1 buddy as per me. I visited pimp last week and if you are alone they will try to rip you off. Mamasan was constantly disturbing me in the room to take more drink package for the girls. Luckily I managed to keep my tab upto 25 K. Fun wise, yes nothing is better than pimp. I took the one in bikini and one with big boobs. In 5 minutes, everything came off but you will have to spend on drinks for these girls.

Another thing that will happen with you as you would be alone, everybody will rush you. Mamasan wasn't giving me much time to even select the birds. For a club of huge potential to earn, their focus for single males is very rushed. So be careful.

I am planning my next trip to Bangkok in June. If any buddy wants to share notes DM is open.

[QUOTE=DevaSingh;2793425]Luckily I managed to keep my tab upto 25 K. Fun wise, yes nothing is better than pimp. I took the one in bikini and one with big boobs.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review. Can you provide those of us like myself too poor to try Pimp what the breakdown of 25,000 baht got you? You mentioned 2 girls but for how long? What is the girl rate? How far do the girls go in terms of fun? How many drinks did that cover?

For guys who go to The Pimp, how much would 1 girl and a few beers cost for an hour within the club only? I usually get bored of girls in an hour so that's all I need.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2793515]Thanks for the review. Can you provide those of us like myself too poor to try Pimp what the breakdown of 25,000 baht got you? You mentioned 2 girls but for how long? What is the girl rate? How far do the girls go in terms of fun? How many drinks did that cover?

For guys who go to The Pimp, how much would 1 girl and a few beers cost for an hour within the club only? I usually get bored of girls in an hour so that's all I need.[/QUOTE]Here are my Spendings. Small VIP room (2500).

2 Girls - 4000 each (4 hours). 2 k for first hour and 1 k for rest.

Mamasan Fee (don't know why I paid) - 1.5 k.

Liquor - 6000 for 2.

Barfine for the one pimp girl - 7000 (I negotiated) Bought 2 bottle man. Even though I don't drink.

Go to pimp only if you have nothing else planned for your stay in Bangkok.

If you are getting bored with a girl, then you should not book the VIP room. Pimp also has a Live area where you can book a table and party with girls. Not my thing. I like to get private and have fun.

Hope this helps.

Bangkok never fails to satisfy me. I know some members complain that it is not like the old days, but I have no problems finding what I want. I was there the last week in January extending a few days into February.

First, I must admit that I do not like picking up girls at go-go bars. The whole ladies drinks throws me off. And I never know how to get rid of a girl whom I don't really like once she is sitting at my side. Second, watching strip tease and watching topless girls dance (especially girls who dance poorly) also does not interest me. That being said, I used to love Insanity, which was a freelancer bar, but it appears to be closed forever (even though the website says its temporarily closed). And the girls who danced at Insanity were drop dead gorgeous and I loved watching them. But this is the point- nothing in life remains unchanged. So I have changed over the last decade and a half upon visiting BKK.

My go-to place is now Thaifriendly. I simply signed up for three months membership, sent out "are you a freelancer?" message or "what are you looking for here" and asked the appropriate responders to send me their LineID. I compiled a list of about 20 girls before I left the USA. Once in BKK, I contacted the girls by Line, asked about their availability, etc. This is not the easiest ways to find GFE, but all of the girls were asked if they kissed, went bareback for oral sex, BBFS, and how many times they would let me nut before our evening ended. I would guess that in 8 days, I met six TF girls, all of whom did everything I asked them to do. Note that I always asked for two "cums", even though I really only wanted a long session with one happy ending. I did this so they would not fly away before I was ready, not because I wanted to come twice (which I can almost never manage to do). When I was in BKK in May, I wifed up with a TF girl to the extent that she arrived at my hotel at 7:30 am every morning for a massage, BBBJ and BBFS (usually over the course of 90 minutes). This time, I wifed up with a massage girl I met at a "legitimate" massage place, who provided the same service. I paid 4000 baht daily for this. I am not certain if I am simply lucky, but both of these women were incredibly punctual.

I also took advantage of the numerous massage parlors on Soi33 for quickies. In general, I would ask the Mamasan to identify the girls who did BBBJ. Sometimes, a BBBJ was all I got, and other times I went for massage/BBBJ/full service. About half the girls in the Soi 33 massage places will do BBFS if you offer them an extra 1000-2000 baht. This brings the total cost up to about 4200. I like these trashy places because the girls are usually very attentive when you make them aware of a tip, but I am not fond of the showers they have because the water is usually too cold for me. One real exception was Daisy Dream Massage (12, 8 Sukhumvit 33 Alley), a soapie off an alley on Soi 33. The girls ranged in quality but I always found a slim young one. My last night in BKK, I ordered up the Nuru / Hot tub special (5000 baht, 90 minutes) in Daisy Dream Massage. This was WONDERFUL. However, I made the mistake of telling the girl I wanted two nuts, because I had trouble going for round two (the little guy doesn't always wake up after a Nuru massage, a 30 minute blow job complete with CIM and a hot bath). I should have told her one "cum" instead and saved my strength for a longer session. But I did manage to get some doggy in before the little guy decided to go back to sleep. Sex in Daisy Dream was with a Thai condom (too small and too thick; will bring my own condom next time). In any case, the Daisy Dream Massage was a great experience and at 5000 baht for the 90+ minutes of attention I received, not a bad deal.

Finally, I should mention that I went to Nana and if you are good at spotting the ladyboys, there are some very good looking girls hanging out who are not associated with a bar. I met a darling from Kenya who fucked my brains out two nights in a row.

I took PrEP the entire trip and for a few weeks afterwards. For those of you who do end up with the drip, cefixime and doxycycline are over the counter drugs (I went the testing route as I don't tolerate antibiotics very well. I did not pick up anything at all).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2793227]I went to Lollipop about 4 years ago. There were about 4 obvious young petite and super cute girls and the rest were obvious post-ops. Even when I asked the actual girls they said it's all girls in the bar. I rolled my eyes at her and she stuck to her story. Why? Cause in Thailand a post-op is considered a girl. Same as all the post-ops you find on online sites. They will all tell you they're a girl even when they weren't born a girl.[/QUOTE]No. They just want your money. Customers will say no to a post OP, you just lie to them and say otherwise. If you think something is up or unusual in a sex work situation, then it probably is. This isn't a Thailand thing, its the industry.

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2792968]Does Rainbow in Nana Plaza employ post op lady boys. I was in the one on the first floor and took a girl back. Everything about her felt like a lady, but once we left the club her voice just sounded deeper then I'm use too. At one point I ran my finger over her neck and did not feel any Adam's apple. I also asked her twice and she said 200% she is a lady. I did not think clubs mixed in Nana as there are lady boy specific ones.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 or 5 are not mixed. Which are the main Rainbow bars. The others I think they just slapped the Rainbow name on but is otherwise a their old gogos, new name, so I suspect a few of the other rainbows have a LB or post op there and shut up about it. If you think it was a post op it probably was.

To people thinking Nana has always been mixed. No, no it hasn't. There were mixed bars, and of course, sometimes people just lie. But only a few bars were mixed, with Straps being the primary post-OP bar and a few of the smaller ones, that were often pretty empty being mixed but usually not shy that they were mixed bars and would call them "girls" in a cheecky sly way to make sure you know what they mean.

Rainbow 4/5, Angel Witch, Billboards, Butterflys, are the big names and not mixed. Most bars are not mixed.

Part of the issue though is that the main LB bars in Nana actually did close and that scene has moved elsewhere, but there's a much bigger supply of LB and post-op sex workers than the new scene can handle, and they are trickling in spots here and there and FLs.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2793095]The last night she returned half the agreed fee and said I had treated her nice and she didn't want to make it all about the money. What a great marketing ploy, it worked as I saw her for one night on my last visit which was only two nights.[/QUOTE]Your story reminds me of a similar incident that happened to me. About eight or nine years ago I did long time with a beautiful go go girl. I can't remember which gogo but I met her in Nana Plaza. As she got ready to leave in the morning she handed me a note. The note was written in English and she wrote that she had a great time and she was happy to have spent the night with me. I saw her one more time after that not just because she was pretty and gave good service, but because of the note.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2792552]And the price you paid was? Please.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the delayed reply, I don't read the forum every day while I'm in Thailand. The very beautiful girl who was average performer asked for 2000 and the average looking girl who was a great performer asked for 1000. These were both quotes for CFS ST. You may negotiate different price or service.

Even if they say there are a girl due to a post op transition, their ID and DL still says they are a male. The Thai government has never allowed people to change their gender due to which gender they think that they should be. That's the tell if you are in doubt.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2793561]No. They just want your money. Customers will say no to a post OP, you just lie to them and say otherwise. If you think something is up or unusual in a sex work situation, then it probably is. This isn't a Thailand thing, its the industry.

Rainbow 4 or 5 are not mixed. Which are the main Rainbow bars. The others I think they just slapped the Rainbow name on but is otherwise a their old gogos, new name, so I suspect a few of the other rainbows have a LB or post op there and shut up about it. If you think it was a post op it probably was.

To people thinking Nana has always been mixed. No, no it hasn't. There were mixed bars, and of course, sometimes people just lie. But only a few bars were mixed, with Straps being the primary post-OP bar and a few of the smaller ones, that were often pretty empty being mixed but usually not shy that they were mixed bars and would call them "girls" in a cheecky sly way to make sure you know what they mean.

Rainbow 4/5, Angel Witch, Billboards, Butterflys, are the big names and not mixed. Most bars are not mixed.

Part of the issue though is that the main LB bars in Nana actually did close and that scene has moved elsewhere, but there's a much bigger supply of LB and post-op sex workers than the new scene can handle, and they are trickling in spots here and there and FLs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2793652]Even if they say there are a girl due to a post op transition, their ID and DL still says they are a male. The Thai government has never allowed people to change their gender due to which gender they think that they should be. That's the tell if you are in doubt.[/QUOTE]That's a good reason to have the girl turn her ID over to your hotel reception prior to going upstairs. Check her ID for sex and date of birth.

On the subject of LB, one of my recent female freelancers from Sukhumvit said that most of the customers wanted ladyboys. I find that hard to believe, but she insisted it was true.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2793652]Even if they say there are a girl due to a post op transition, their ID and DL still says they are a male. The Thai government has never allowed people to change their gender due to which gender they think that they should be. That's the tell if you are in doubt.[/QUOTE]LOL. Come on now, in Western and more modernized countries, fake IDs are made and used everywhere. People seriously think that a country like Thailand and especially in cash businesses like bars, it's all 100% by the book? There is fake counterfeit shit everywhere. Plus like people can't buy stolen ID cards online or off the street or borrow a friend's. How many of us can tell the difference or if it's the same girl with and without make up on ID card? Geez, the naiveness of some folks. If you've been mongering in Thailand as a vet for a long time, chances are we've been duped by a post-op. I think back when I first started and how stupid of me to believe there were Korean girls selling themselves for 2000 on WeChat. And for 100% sure Smooci has post-ops that post under females. Pinche. Oh well, live and learn.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2793628]Sorry for the delayed reply, I don't read the forum every day while I'm in Thailand. The very beautiful girl who was average performer asked for 2000 and the average looking girl who was a great performer asked for 1000. These were both quotes for CFS ST. You may negotiate different price or service.[/QUOTE]Appreciate.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2793692]That's a good reason to have the girl turn her ID over to your hotel reception prior to going upstairs. Check her ID for sex and date of birth.

On the subject of LB, one of my recent female freelancers from Sukhumvit said that most of the customers wanted ladyboys. I find that hard to believe, but she insisted it was true.[/QUOTE]Not True. Not True. Not True.

I believe it. Some nights I will grab a beer and sit at Leks Last Stand or O'Briens Irish Pub nearby and watch the action on Suk. The vast majority of FL's in this area of Suk between Soi 11 and Soi 19 are LB and they have quite a deep customer base from what I can tell. I see guys of all ages and nationalities arranging deals and hopping in a taxi or walking hand in hand down Suk headed to a short term or customer hotel.

There are a few GG's in the mix but they are mostly frumpy and have MILF status. The really hot looking ones are easily identified as LB and the same holds true for GG's who can be easily identified as not so hot, poorly dressed, and generally unappealing; most of these GG-FL's could not get a job at a bar or a go-go, which is why they plug their trade on the street. However, you can find some hotties who are GG in the disco and clubs later on if you have the stamina to hang out to the wee hours.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2793692]That's a good reason to have the girl turn her ID over to your hotel reception prior to going upstairs. Check her ID for sex and date of birth.

On the subject of LB, one of my recent female freelancers from Sukhumvit said that most of the customers wanted ladyboys. I find that hard to believe, but she insisted it was true.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2793695]LOL. Come on now, in Western and more modernized countries, fake IDs are made and used everywhere. People seriously think that a country like Thailand and especially in cash businesses like bars, it's all 100% by the book? There is fake counterfeit shit everywhere.

Plus like people can't buy stolen ID cards online or off the street or borrow a friend's. How many of us can tell the difference or if it's the same girl with and without make up on ID card? Geez, the naiveness of some folks...[/QUOTE]Absolutely! I've seen this phenomenon everywhere, fake IDs, friend's ID, etc.

A buddy of mine had a girl in Colombia that he was seeing regularly. On one trip, this fav could not see him, so she proposed her cousin and he agreed to it. Well, the cousin was under age, and the folks at his building refused entry to the girl. Once he went down to talk to security, they informed him that his girl was under age. He got upset and sent the girl home with no payment. Guess what, the girl went to the police instead. She showed up at his building with the cops in tow. After some discussion with the police, he ended paying her for the session that was not consumed. He was asked to leave the Airbnb soon after.

Aloha! I'm looking forward to my first trip to Thailand, this coming May. Germany, Amsterdam, Bonaire, Curacao, all over the US, Canada, and Japan have seen me monger but this will be the first time to Thailand.

My plane arrives around midnight and I figure it'll be 1:30 am or so by the time I get to my AB&b which is about a 10 minute walk to Nana Plaza. Now I know myself well enough to know that I'll be both horney and tired by that point. A quick stop at a BJ bar would seem to be the perfect choice but it also seems that they will all be closed by then. At that hour, if one doesn't want to go to a loud club, are FLs the best option for a quick, easy, squirt before sleeping?

Many thanks for the reports and learning, can't wait to arrive.

[QUOTE=Fortunate;2794088] At that hour, if one doesn't want to go to a loud club, are FLs the best option for a quick, easy, squirt before sleeping?

Many thanks for the reports and learning, can't wait to arrive.[/QUOTE]Just my opinion, but freelancers hanging out on Sukhumvit (mostly) between Sois 7 and 19 would probably be your best bet. You can also find them up Soi 11 from Sukhumvit. You can distinguish them from non pros by the way they dress (in most cases). Also, how they may respond to a long look or a smile in their direction.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Fortunate;2794088]Aloha! I'm looking forward to my first trip to Thailand, this coming May. Germany, Amsterdam, Bonaire, Curacao, all over the US, Canada, and Japan have seen me monger but this will be the first time to Thailand.

My plane arrives around midnight and I figure it'll be 1:30 am or so by the time I get to my AB&b which is about a 10 minute walk to Nana Plaza. Now I know myself well enough to know that I'll be both horney and tired by that point. A quick stop at a BJ bar would seem to be the perfect choice but it also seems that they will all be closed by then. At that hour, if one doesn't want to go to a loud club, are FLs the best option for a quick, easy, squirt before sleeping?

Many thanks for the reports and learning, can't wait to arrive.[/QUOTE]Walking the stroll is about 3000 steps, I'd have to do it twice to find something doable, then you have the grass is greener syndrome everytime you see a hot one.

4 am or so I reckon.

Best to sleep, not that I'm any example.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2792528]What's the name of the bar you went to?[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2794169]Just my opinion, but freelancers hanging out on Sukhumvit (mostly) between Sois 7 and 19 would probably be your best bet. You can also find them up Soi 11 from Sukhumvit. You can distinguish them from non pros by the way they dress (in most cases). Also, how they may respond to a long look or a smile in their direction.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Just make sure she is not a he (LB). I'd say the majority are LBs. And especially the better lookign ones. (See TomaSB a few posts below). It can be tough to tell. Especially if you are a newbie and a bit drunk. But they will usually be honest if you just ask directly.

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Decided my first trip overseas to monger will be Bangkok. I have read about 15 pages back so far and moved my location on Tinder to there. My first question haha why do so many tinder profiles have pictures of cats? Am I missing a hidden meaning?

I have saw to read tinder closely. Lady boys are not my thing and most profiles that are lady boys are clearly marked (I hope).

Any other tinder tips? I plan to go in early June.

Last night I went to this club on Soi Cowboy located on the corner of Soi 23 named in the subject Title. I had been there a couple of times before in January as they offer live music, fairly amiable surroundings, and relatively inexpensive drinks. There appeared to be a few FL's in there on my prior visits but none that struck my fancy so I did not pursue anyone. However, on this visit, I had barely ordered my drink when a mama san type brought over a young gal to introduce and naturally for me to buy her a lady drink. Initially surprised, I declined and they accepted my decision graciously. A few minutes, a slightly older gal came by; again I declined. Then about two or three minutes, a svelte young thing in a tight dress came over and again I said no. Mainly, I was trying to decide if I wanted to get in the Buy me Drink trap or leave for greener pastures.

During this time frame, an attractive, kind of cute lady with a very nice body and honey blond hair came by, not once, but twice. Finally, I made an executive decision to stay a bit and see how it played out. I ended up buying her five drinks at 200b a pop, plus two for me at 90b each. My drink was Smirnoff on the rocks. Think she was drinking Sansomg. As time moved along, we got quite handsy with each other, some light kissing, many times I was encouraged to stick my finger on her snatch though she joked that she had three layer of panties on underneath her plaid skirt. Unfortunately, she was also making regular bathroom runs and seemed more energetic after every trip. On her third trip upstairs around 2 am, she was gone for at least 15 minutes and I almost left but some of the other woman and now lady boy customers were pretty entertaining to watch so stuck around until she reappeared, this time even more tipsy than before.

We reverted back to heavy petting each other. While I thinking about taking her back to my place, I noticed she was also getting more and more spacey or maybe showing the effects of the 5 drinks she consumed. The band kept playing on until 3 am as they closed the main curtain to the street, though the doors were open to enter for anyone. So at 3 am, my lady friend left again for another bathroom trip. After waiting 15 minutes, I gave my LINE number ID to the waitress and asked her to deliver it to her as I figured by now she was too drunk or incapacitated for any room action.

On balance, there were some cute, young, and crazy ladies in there. Two of the younger ones were dancing up a storm near the band flashing their panties and crotches to everyone within viewing distance. There appeared to be a general mode of raunchy behavior in there so something has changed business wise since my last visit inJanuary for the better I would say, but the waitresses and mama San were a bit too aggressive. It got annoying after a while. Plus, as a result, my gal became so drunk, I did not consider her barfineable, though I never asked if there was a barfine so not sure how that works since my gal disappeared at the end, probably passed out upstairs where the lockers and bathrooms are located.

Wondering if anyone else has been there and your thoughts?

I'll be in Bangkok in a few months and considering trying fiwfans for the entire trip. I've only used it twice but both times had a very good experience. I feel like nothing compares to this. If everything works out, you get youngest girls and Thai prices.

I think thermae sucks. Uncomfortable atmosphere with a bunch of mostly boring looking unattractive women who cater to Japanese businessmen. Prices are not the greatest either.

Using thaifriendly is annoying because it is paid. Even when using that and tinder, it's just real annoying and you don't know what the girls look like.

As for gogo, I find it good for having a drink for entertainment purposes or taking a girl if she's super hot. But people who buy lady drinks. I don't really see the point. Also guys who get sexual services inside the gogo are just gross. I once sat at the stage and had a dirty old man next to me pulling down the pants of a girl on stage and eating her out. I mean. Pretty damn close and totally unnecessary. Go and get a room so it isn't 1 metre from me.

I have similar views to trip reports where people say they get a HJ inside a gogo and end up paying more money in lady drinks than you'd pay for 40 minutes of real FS in a hotel. Why people would want that. I have no idea.

Anyway, that's my rant.

Good thing about fiwfans as well is you have reviews as well as photo reviews, so you can develop a way more educated opinion before committing to something.

I wish this existed in the past. Story time: the first time ever that I was with a Thai girl was nana plaza in upstairs short time room. Girl was rude, she went starfish for a little while but barely even had FS before she stopped, wouldn't even let me touch her further. Ended up finishing myself off. Then on the way out, she asks me for taxi money even though we didn't go anywhere, then she asks me to tip the laundry lady, both of which I did. Well, luckily I am more wise now.

[QUOTE=Fortunate;2794088]Aloha! I'm looking forward to my first trip to Thailand, this coming May. Germany, Amsterdam, Bonaire, Curacao, all over the US, Canada, and Japan have seen me monger but this will be the first time to Thailand.

My plane arrives around midnight and I figure it'll be 1:30 am or so by the time I get to my AB&b which is about a 10 minute walk to Nana Plaza. Now I know myself well enough to know that I'll be both horney and tired by that point. A quick stop at a BJ bar would seem to be the perfect choice but it also seems that they will all be closed by then. At that hour, if one doesn't want to go to a loud club, are FLs the best option for a quick, easy, squirt before sleeping?

Many thanks for the reports and learning, can't wait to arrive.[/QUOTE]BJ bars are probably closed, or will be by the time you find them and deal with it since its your first time in Thailand and you'll need to get your bearings.

Along Soi 4 near Nana there will still be a whole ton of freelancers along the street, primarily, on the other side of the street than the actual Nana plaza. You'll see them, you can't miss it. But being late you some of the top talent will be gone, or maybe not, just stroll along Soi 4 once or twice and check out what's available. There will be a lot of choices, so it can be difficult, so if you find one you like, just go for it, otherwise you'll never decide

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2794552]Unfortunately, she was also making regular bathroom runs and seemed more energetic after every trip. On her third trip upstairs around 2 am, she was gone for at least 15 minutes and I almost left but some of the other woman and now lady boy customers were pretty entertaining to watch so stuck around until she reappeared, this time even more tipsy than before.

We reverted back to heavy petting each other. While I thinking about taking her back to my place, I noticed she was also getting more and more spacey or maybe showing the effects of the 5 drinks she consumed. The band kept playing on until 3 am as they closed the main curtain to the street, though the doors were open to enter for anyone. So at 3 am, my lady friend left again for another bathroom trip. After waiting 15 minutes, I gave my LINE number ID to the waitress and asked her to deliver it to her as I figured by now she was too drunk or incapacitated for any room action.

On balance, there were some cute, young, and crazy ladies in there. Two of the younger ones were dancing up a storm near the band flashing their panties and crotches to everyone within viewing distance. There appeared to be a general mode of raunchy behavior in there so something has changed business wise since my last visit inJanuary for the better I would say, but the waitresses and mama San were a bit too aggressive. It got annoying after a while. Plus, as a result, my gal became so drunk, I did not consider her barfineable, though I never asked if there was a barfine so not sure how that works since my gal disappeared at the end, probably passed out upstairs where the lockers and bathrooms are located.

Wondering if anyone else has been there and your thoughts?[/QUOTE]She was taking breaks and doing drugs, meaning yaba aka "ice"

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2794654]She was taking breaks and doing drugs, meaning yaba aka "ice"[/QUOTE]My thought too.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2794630]I'll be in Bangkok in a few months and considering trying fiwfans for the entire trip. I've only used it twice but both times had a very good experience. I feel like nothing compares to this. If everything works out, you get youngest girls and Thai prices.

I think thermae sucks. Uncomfortable atmosphere with a bunch of mostly boring looking unattractive women who cater to Japanese businessmen. Prices are not the greatest either.

Using thaifriendly is annoying because it is paid. Even when using that and tinder, it's just real annoying and you don't know what the girls look like.

As for gogo, I find it good for having a drink for entertainment purposes or taking a girl if she's super hot. But people who buy lady drinks. I don't really see the point. Also guys who get sexual services inside the gogo are just gross. I once sat at the stage and had a dirty old man next to me pulling down the pants of a girl on stage and eating her out. I mean. Pretty damn close and totally unnecessary. Go and get a room so it isn't 1 metre from me.

I have similar views to trip reports where people say they get a HJ inside a gogo and end up paying more money in lady drinks than you'd pay for 40 minutes of real FS in a hotel. Why people would want that. I have no idea.

Anyway, that's my rant.

Good thing about fiwfans as well is you have reviews as well as photo reviews, so you can develop a way more educated opinion before committing to something.

I wish this existed in the past. Story time: the first time ever that I was with a Thai girl was nana plaza in upstairs short time room. Girl was rude, she went starfish for a little while but barely even had FS before she stopped, wouldn't even let me touch her further. Ended up finishing myself off. Then on the way out, she asks me for taxi money even though we didn't go anywhere, then she asks me to tip the laundry lady, both of which I did. Well, luckily I am more wise now.[/QUOTE]Pretty judgemental for a guy traveling to third world countries to fuck desperate young women for small sums of money arent you? You are disgusting. Not really but making a point. Let others do as they please and you make your own choices.

1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2794630]I'll be in Bangkok in a few months and considering trying fiwfans for the entire trip. I've only used it twice but both times had a very good experience. I feel like nothing compares to this. If everything works out, you get youngest girls and Thai prices.

I think thermae sucks. Uncomfortable atmosphere with a bunch of mostly boring looking unattractive women who cater to Japanese businessmen. Prices are not the greatest either.

Using thaifriendly is annoying because it is paid. Even when using that and tinder, it's just real annoying and you don't know what the girls look like.

As for gogo, I find it good for having a drink for entertainment purposes or taking a girl if she's super hot. But people who buy lady drinks. I don't really see the point. Also guys who get sexual services inside the gogo are just gross. I once sat at the stage and had a dirty old man next to me pulling down the pants of a girl on stage and eating her out. I mean. Pretty damn close and totally unnecessary. Go and get a room so it isn't 1 metre from me.

I have similar views to trip reports where people say they get a HJ inside a gogo and end up paying more money in lady drinks than you'd pay for 40 minutes of real FS in a hotel. Why people would want that. I have no idea.

Anyway, that's my rant.

Good thing about fiwfans as well is you have reviews as well as photo reviews, so you can develop a way more educated opinion before committing to something.

I wish this existed in the past. Story time: the first time ever that I was with a Thai girl was nana plaza in upstairs short time room. Girl was rude, she went starfish for a little while but barely even had FS before she stopped, wouldn't even let me touch her further. Ended up finishing myself off. Then on the way out, she asks me for taxi money even though we didn't go anywhere, then she asks me to tip the laundry lady, both of which I did. Well, luckily I am more wise now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2794818]Pretty judgemental for a guy traveling to third world countries to fuck desperate young women for small sums of money arent you? You are disgusting. Not really but making a point. Let others do as they please and you make your own choices.[/QUOTE]Which part has offended you, sir?

Are you a fan of guys sitting right next to you getting HJ under the table or you want to sit right next to a guy trying desperately some DATY as the girl tries to pull away?

Others can do as they please. I'm just communicating that in my opinion, I don't see why you would want to jizz in a crowded room with guys sitting around, when for an even cheaper price, you can go and fck a girl privately? And it is also pretty hygienic.

Well, the ethics of prostitution. The girls can make a lot of money and raise their standard of living for their family / avoid super difficult farm work. It's not an ideal world we live in but I am ok with the ethics of P4P, at present.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2794630]….I have similar views to trip reports where people say they get a HJ inside a gogo and end up paying more money in lady drinks than you'd pay for 40 minutes of real FS in a hotel. Why people would want that. I have no idea.

Anyway, that's my rant.

Good thing about fiwfans as well is you have reviews as well as photo reviews, so you can develop a way more educated opinion before committing to something.[/QUOTE]I've found that 1 lady drink (rarely 2) is a good way to decide how my personality matches with a go go girl's personality. How does she smile at me? How does she move? How does her touch feel? Does she snuggle close to me with arms and legs around me or does she just sit next to me? For me, several lady drinks would be a waste of time and money. But 1 drink for me and one for her is about 400 baht well spent.

How do you learn those things with FIWFANS? I sometimes can't tell if a review is from an impartial poster or from a shill. It is even more difficult to determine if she will react the same to me as she reacted to the reviewer.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2794856]I've found that 1 lady drink (rarely 2) is a good way to decide how my personality matches with a go go girl's personality. How does she smile at me? How does she move? How does her touch feel? Does she snuggle close to me with arms and legs around me or does she just sit next to me? For me, several lady drinks would be a waste of time and money. But 1 drink for me and one for her is about 400 baht well spent.

How do you learn those things with FIWFANS? I sometimes can't tell if a review is from an impartial poster or from a shill. It is even more difficult to determine if she will react the same to me as she reacted to the reviewer.[/QUOTE]That's a legit approach and sounds good.

Maybe I've just read too many reports lately of people paying 2000 baht for drinks and then not even barfining.

As for fiwfans, it isn't perfect but at it's the best out there right now (imo). There could be fake reviews but they won't be able to hide bad reviews, so take bad reviews with a high degree of consideration.

Also the thai guys seem to treat it like a sport in the way they post their reviews with pics in the telegram channels. I don't particularly see why they would falsify their reviews to each other.

Further to your point about whether a girl will respond differently to you rather than another reviewer? Could be a consideration but if a girl has 8 pages of good reviews, that's a decent amount of data.

That said, some profiles do say no black or Indians, and very occasionally it says no foreigners, so it could depend on who you are. Same thing applies with girls off the street though, of which you have zero data to go off.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2794881]...
As for fiwfans, it isn't perfect but at it's the best out there right now (imo). There could be fake reviews but they won't be able to hide bad reviews, so take bad reviews with a high degree of consideration.
[/QUOTE]If I do not speak Thai, how can I find girls who speak English and how can I connect with them?

Thank you for the great report! When I come in September, if you are still here, may be ha can get a cap of coffee together?

__Y.

[QUOTE=YuriB;2794935]If I do not speak Thai, how can I find girls who speak English and how can I connect with them?

Thank you for the great report! When I come in September, if you are still here, may be ha can get a cap of coffee together?

__Y.[/QUOTE]I was able to book without knowing any thai if that's what you're asking. Most didn't speak much english, one was pretty good out of the 5 or so I saw.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2794833]1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.[/QUOTE]I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.

[QUOTE=YuriB;2794935]If I do not speak Thai, how can I find girls who speak English and how can I connect with them?[/QUOTE]When you message the girl on line, you'll either be talking to an agency who facilitates the meeting or the girl herself.

If they reply in English, you can assume they are happy to deal with English speaking foreigners. If they ignore you, they probably can't be bothered dealing with a foreigner, which is fair enough. You can try with a different girl.

You tell them when you want to book and for how long, and they'll give you instructions to go to a hotel and a particular room number.

General questions:

- how far would it be expected that a typical freelancer or barfined gogo girl be willing to go in a taxi, to someone's room? Is 30 minutes reasonable and when done, you pay her return taxi fare on top?

- awkward question but if in a 69 position getting BBBJ, what exactly is the protocol when the guy is ready to pop and nothing has been negotiated beforehand? I was previously in this position with a freelancer and I wonder what would have happened if I just kept going, as I instead stopped the action and finished on the girl's leg. She didn't look too thrilled, but I'm not sure what is a more graceful method or place to finish.

I notice most girls on fiwfans charge 400 baht for CIM so would the freelancer have applied an additional fee afterwards?

I don't personally care for CIM, but I'm just curious as to what would have happened.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2795008]I was able to book without knowing any thai if that's what you're asking. Most didn't speak much english, one was pretty good out of the 5 or so I saw.[/QUOTE]I have also used Google Translate on my phone to translate the content on fiwfans and then used it to write to the girls in Thai using Line and to read their replies. I tell them I am a foreigner and ask them to use simple Thai words. The messages often go to a receptionist rather than the girl herself. It has worked ok and all the ones I have approached have been ok with a non-Thai speaking foreigner and cash although there are a few who say no foreigner on their fiwfans profile so I just avoid them.

The biggest issue has been the Thai sex slang used on fiwfans profiles which Google can't make sense of. But with some effort I think I understand a lot of it now. The other issue is that many girls are located in inconvenient areas so you need to filter on location to find usable profiles.

One of the girls I saw spoke good English, but most speak little and I have sometimes used the voice version of the Google translate app to talk to them to make sure we are on the same page.

I have found fiwfans quite good. The height and weight stats are a good indication of what you will get The photos are filtered by the apps that are used to make the girls skin whiter and to adjust them to look like the apps version of ideal, like the pictures you see on many adverts. The reviews are useful but I assume they write a few of them themselves, or get their friends to, so I tend to read several reviews and look how long they have been getting good reviews and I don't take any individual positive reviews too seriously.

I've been travelling to BKK for many years, but I still seem to find things that puzzle me. Perhaps someone can shed light on these latest mysteries:

1. The Izakaya restaurants in the Phrom Phong area (and likely other areas); is there any action in these? I see girls smiling at me as I peer in, but not much else. I assume they are oriented at Japanese patrons mostly, but would a white guy be welcome? Is there a chance of something more being offered?

2. Thai "herbal" supplements found in the condom / lube section of pharmacies. I got one from Handy Herb that translates to Black Galingale, and another that's just called Jiu Jenn Pushen Jiao Nang. The girls at the pharmacy blushed and couldn't provide a clear answer when I inquired, so I assume that they are boner pills? Libido enhancers?

TIA to anyone who can answer!

[QUOTE=TKOman;2795131]I've been travelling to BKK for many years, but I still seem to find things that puzzle me. Perhaps someone can shed light on these latest mysteries:

1. The Izakaya restaurants in the Phrom Phong area (and likely other areas); is there any action in these? I see girls smiling at me as I peer in, but not much else. I assume they are oriented at Japanese patrons mostly, but would a white guy be welcome? Is there a chance of something more being offered?[/QUOTE]There are many bars and massage places in your said area specially Soi 22. They cater only money not race. Just try on. Any one is approachable and convincible but not insistable or dectateble.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2794833]1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.[/QUOTE]Yeah ID agree with the previous response you got. If she wants pay upfront just pay her first. Or if that's an issue you should discuss that before you take her with you. They probably had people that refused pay after the session so more cautious now. If you're in a hotel you're protected, can usually have ladies hand ID to front desk and not release it until you give go ahead. Not sure about Ruamchitt process tho, I had a close enough hotel we just walked back. I've had a few that ask to pay upfront in my hotel and but mostly in fiwfans, had no issues.

Hey guys, looking forward to a week in BKK mid-April, this time with only minimal work demands and much more time for hobbying. Last time I pulled a couple of really good girls from TF, and it seems like there are several good possibilities this time, too. May try Tantan as well. I also pulled a good GG girl from Rainbows last time. Not as GFE as the TF girls, but will likely hit Nana again this trip. Happy to join up with any of you if you want. First beer is on me!

Wanted to ask about Fwifans. Weird that the site doesn't translate on Google translate. Do the girls also do outcall to your hotel for a higher fee? I don't like going to an Incall apt and much prefer my own room.

Anyway, thanks for the helpful field reports and will post mine afterwards.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.[/QUOTE]A FL wanting to be paid up front is a bad sign. At least that's what I found in my two decades plus here. I've never and would never pay one up front. In addition, being in the room for 2 or 3 minutes is not a waste of her time and physically assaulting someone is never okay. I assume the poster in question was polite and simply wanted to call off the session and to make matters worse, Thermae is in the basement of the Ruamchit, so he's "wasted" maybe 10 minutes. Lest we forget gentleman, we are the customers, always be polite, respectful, and never try to push a girl's boundaries, but don't accept and for Pete's sake don't tip for bad service. Call off the session.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2794833]1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.[/QUOTE]First of all the amount of restraint you showed is admirable and likely saved you a LOT of trouble. I would like to think I would have similar restraint if some lady started drawing blood, but honestly I hope I am never confronted with that situation. I cannot say I have never paid up front, but I will say that every time I have done so, I wished I hadn't. I get that some assholes just walk out without paying, but the other side of the coin is there a ladies that if they don't have an "incentive" don't hold up their end of the bargain as well. Most of the time if I still have a good vibe after she says pay in advance, I will offer to pay half before and the rest when we are done, or put the money in a visible place so she knows it is available. If the request just kills the mood, then I do exactly what you did and decline the service. The issue would be if she had to travel for a while to get to the location, which in your case she did not. I would certainly pay for her taxi back to the club or some reasonable fare, but that was something you did not have to deal with. I subscribe to the "we are the customers" theory, but understand it is a very personal transaction, so will allow some leeway. I don't like to be manipulated, so as soon as I get the feeling they are trying to leverage the situation in that manner I walk away. The good thing about BK is that you don't have to go far to find another opportunity. There is a LOT of the GPS feeling going around these days it seems, and fortunately I am not inclined to participate in enabling that issue. I treat the ladies with respect, right up to the moment they show they are not deserving of being treated like a lady.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.[/QUOTE]Hey WTF, I don't know where you have been mongering, but you are dead wrong on this. Paying a freelance working girl in advance is not the industry standard. No anywhere I like to go. Not in Thailand, Cambodia, Jakarta, Yangon, Singapore, MNL, RJ, or Sao Paulo. The only exceptions are when you are dealing with the house as in a soapy or oily massage parlor in BKK, a Macau Sauna, or a Sao Paulo Clinica. For every other situation that I can think of you should never pay in advance. Paying a freelance working girl in advance is a sure-fire way to significantly increase one's percentage of bad sessions. Why? Because paying in advance creates a moral hazard that some girls cannot resist. If you want to be hit with, "did you cum my darling, please cum" after 10 minutes of play, then pay in advance by all means. 555.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795055] how far would it be expected that a typical freelancer or barfined gogo girl be willing to go in a taxi, to someone's room? Is 30 minutes reasonable and when done, you pay her return taxi fare on top?[/QUOTE]They will always ask you where you're staying so once you tell her that's up to the girl. If this is LT then she will likely travel over 30 minutes and will depend on if your hotel is in the direction of her home. If she's not popular then 30+ minutes would not matter to her. Longest I've dragged a girl in BKK would be from Thermae to Patpong which can take 30 minutes on a bad traffic night.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795055] awkward question but if in a 69 position getting BBBJ, what exactly is the protocol when the guy is ready to pop and nothing has been negotiated beforehand? I was previously in this position with a freelancer and I wonder what would have happened if I just kept going, as I instead stopped the action and finished on the girl's leg. She didn't look too thrilled, but I'm not sure what is a more graceful method or place to finish.[/QUOTE]Just do CIM. If a girl doesn't allow CIM she will tell you before she starts. I think what they don't like is if you cum on their hair or all over their face because that more or less ends her night.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. [/QUOTE]I have never been asked to pay up front in Thailand unless I am paying the bar like a G Club, Soi 6, soapie, gogo bar, etc. I would not pay a girl up front.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.[/QUOTE]They do? I don't see Thermae girls walking up to anyone at the bar to drop off their ID or to pick up their ID from the bar before they leave with me.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2794833]Thermae yesterday. Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront[/QUOTE]Thanks for providing a description. This is the perfect place to remember and post a girl's name. Where did she stand in the bar?

Never had this happen but your gut told you the right thing to do. Personally if a girl started freaking out I'd offer 500 or 1000 baht to go away. Don't agree that you wasted her her time but more just to diffuse a bad situation with a desperate girl. Bad shit can happen in Thailand it's not worth it to save a few baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795282]
Just do CIM. If a girl doesn't allow CIM she will tell you before she starts. I think what they don't like is if you cum on their hair or all over their face because that more or less ends her night.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I did it upper thigh so she may have been concerned it could get close to her hair.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795282] never been asked to pay up front in Thailand unless I am paying the bar like a G Club, Soi 6, soapie, gogo bar, etc. I would not pay a girl up front.

They do? I don't see Thermae girls walking up to anyone at the bar to drop off their ID or to pick up their ID from the bar before they leave with me.[/QUOTE]And if the girl wanted money up front, how would you react? I see in the fiwfans support channel where girls post experiences of guys who do the deed and then leave without paying, so it happens. Like the other guy said, it likely depends on whether the girl has had a bad experience before.

I would also imagine that girls are incentivized to ask for money afterwards, so it's more likely the guy will include a tip. But if they noticed something suspicious about the customer beforehand, it'd be safer to ask for cash beforehand.

I read about the ID part on this forum before. That is how they keep the ladyboys out of thermae. They show ID when they enter thermae, not when they leave.

As for this guy's story, I still think he is leaving out information. People usually don't just physically attack someone based on a little misunderstanding of paying before or after.

It's definitely possible that the girl is crazy but honestly I don't really believe this story in the way it was told.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2795258]A FL wanting to be paid up front is a bad sign. At least that's what I found in my two decades plus here. I've never and would never pay one up front. In addition, being in the room for 2 or 3 minutes is not a waste of her time and physically assaulting someone is never okay. I assume the poster in question was polite and simply wanted to call off the session and to make matters worse, Thermae is in the basement of the Ruamchit, so he's "wasted" maybe 10 minutes. Lest we forget gentleman, we are the customers, always be polite, respectful, and never try to push a girl's boundaries, but don't accept and for Pete's sake don't tip for bad service. Call off the session.[/QUOTE]Not just a bad idea, imo, but paying a Freelancer or a bargirl her fee upfront instead of after the sex has been performed as negotiated and agreed upon is one of the worst punter decisions maginable.

Oh I am sure little harm can be done in paying upftont if the punter has no real expectations of anything very good happening in bed, has negotiated nothing in particular, is perfectly content with the most basic fare doled out with a minimum of positive attitude and cooperation.

And, yes yes yes, there will be the oddball exception where a girl paid upfront will deliver at a decent 80% level as agreed upon and expected. But even in those rare outcomes you can assume the punter threw away the remaining 20% that would have been right there for him to enjoy had he not allowed himself to be talked into or bullyed into paying upfront.

Unfortunately, more often than not that foolish decision to pay upfront can produce a worse buzzkill and dreary experience for the next 20 - 30 minutes than if she had actually just taken the money and sprinted out of the hotel.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.[/QUOTE]WTF, you are entitled to your opinion, but I am of the other side of this situation. And to answer your question, yes, if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well. Almost every time I have paid a lady who has no one to answer to (ir free lancer) in advance the service has been less that expected or desired. Most of the time if the girls know there are consequences if they don't at least try to live up to their end of the bargain then they at lease give it a go. My experience is very different to yours in that it is a rarity for the lady to ask for the money upfront unless they are agency girls or something of the like. Sure there are exceptions of course. It sounds like this lady had a case of GPS and was not accustomed to be told "No" or turned down. Also seems she had a touch of psycho ***** thrown in for good measure. Maybe one more thing to get clarification before nodding my head yes. As I see it this lady wasted his time as well, and my time is as valuable as hers, maybe she missed out on a client, but maybe he missed out on the girl of his dreams while dealing with this gal. I would imagine it colored the rest of his evening for certain. I also have NEVER seen the girls give up their ID to enter Thermae, they may have to show one to make sure they are not LB's and are of age, but I have never seen them either give up or retrieve their ID before leaving.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795320]WTF, you are entitled to your opinion, but I am of the other side of this situation. And to answer your question, yes, if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well. Almost every time I have paid a lady who has no one to answer to (ir free lancer) in advance the service has been less that expected or desired. Most of the time if the girls know there are consequences if they don't at least try to live up to their end of the bargain then they at lease give it a go. My experience is very different to yours in that it is a rarity for the lady to ask for the money upfront unless they are agency girls or something of the like. Sure there are exceptions of course. It sounds like this lady had a case of GPS and was not accustomed to be told "No" or turned down. Also seems she had a touch of psycho ***** thrown in for good measure. Maybe one more thing to get clarification before nodding my head yes. As I see it this lady wasted his time as well, and my time is as valuable as hers, maybe she missed out on a client, but maybe he missed out on the girl of his dreams while dealing with this gal. I would imagine it colored the rest of his evening for certain. I also have NEVER seen the girls give up their ID to enter Thermae, they may have to show one to make sure they are not LB's and are of age, but I have never seen them either give up or retrieve their ID before leaving.[/QUOTE]I had a thermae girl change her mind when we got back to the room once. She wanted money upfront and I said no.

Went down stairs and she said I was violent and she wanted her money. No way. She left empty handed and when I returned to my room my watch was gone.

Learned two lessons that night. Put your watch in the safe and Thai girls are very unpredictable.

Probably had 100 girls in my room and had a few bolt and a couple of thefts. But you get a bit smarter each time and my only advice would be don't think with the lower part of your body.

Have an over-night stay in BKK before a flight to Vietnam early the next morning.

Hotel only 15 minutes from the airport, arriving early afternoon. So will have a few hours to kill. But not really interested in heading into town (feel that way now, but once I arrive plans / desires may change).

Hi guys, I'm taking a break from pinays and going to BKK Sukhumvit 16 and Patts for a week. If my info is correct I can get a taxi to the former for 300 B and to the latter for 1000 B. Is that correct? Plan on hitting some street action and Thermae in BKK and also the FLs and maybe a soapie in Pattaya Beach. Looking for slim and stacked and reasonably priced if anyone has any recommendations much obliged. Cheers.

I used to stay in lat krabang in a 100 dollar a night hotel. I'm fairly sure things would have progressed as my last stay at mariya hotel found me in the beer garden next door talking to two beer girls. I'd not describe then as hot nor would I know if they were available but my guess is I could have got a number. One was quite young probably 21 to 25.

They were certainly suggestively dressed and chatting to all the men folk. Probably more cheap hooters than gogo girls.

As for the area itself a few massage places but I gave up on lat krabang and just booked hotels in the sukuhumvit area because there was so little to do out that way and transfer times were good.

I don't use the word dump lightly. But lat krabang was a dump back then. Only good if you were a plane spotter I reckon. No good food. Nothing good to see. Just cheap hotels.

As for TF yes there were a few ladies out that way and likewise I'm sure some of the ladies from smooci would come out that way in a fully expensed taxi. I remember some here would go to the soapies along the expressway.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2795359]Have an over-night stay in BKK before a flight to Vietnam early the next morning.

Hotel only 15 minutes from the airport, arriving early afternoon. So will have a few hours to kill. But not really interested in heading into town (feel that way now, but once I arrive plans / desires may change).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795320]if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well[/QUOTE]Well there was no change in terms because the guy only established the terms after he had already took the girl and paid for the room.

I would just like to hear the other side of the story.

Either the "petite" mid 20's girl was actually psychotic or this guy was aggressive with her or something.

Clearly the girl was so insistent on getting payment beforehand, despite the extra hassle, so perhaps she saw a red flag with him.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795282]

I have never been asked to pay up front in Thailand unless I am paying the bar like a G Club, Soi 6, soapie, gogo bar, etc. I would not pay a girl up front.

They do? I don't see Thermae girls walking up to anyone at the bar to drop off their ID or to pick up their ID from the bar before they leave with me.

Thanks for providing a description. This is the perfect place to remember and post a girl's name. Where did she stand in the bar?

Never had this happen but your gut told you the right thing to do. Personally if a girl started freaking out I'd offer 500 or 1000 baht to go away. Don't agree that you wasted her her time but more just to diffuse a bad situation with a desperate girl. Bad shit can happen in Thailand it's not worth it to save a few baht.[/QUOTE]Paying up front to a freelancer is simply not the norm in Thailand. I am sure she knew that too. It was all about leverage. But yeah, if I knew she was going to attack me, I probably would have given her a few hundred baht just to f off.

If you made your clockwise run at Thermae, she would be standing on the left hand side in front of those diner booths, around 2/3 rds of the way in before the turn. Out interaction was so brief, I did not even manage to catch her name, she did say she she was from Khon Kaen. She spoke decent english.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795274]First of all the amount of restraint you showed is admirable and likely saved you a LOT of trouble. I would like to think I would have similar restraint if some lady started drawing blood, but honestly I hope I am never confronted with that situation. I cannot say I have never paid up front, but I will say that every time I have done so, I wished I hadn't. I get that some assholes just walk out without paying, but the other side of the coin is there a ladies that if they don't have an "incentive" don't hold up their end of the bargain as well. Most of the time if I still have a good vibe after she says pay in advance, I will offer to pay half before and the rest when we are done, or put the money in a visible place so she knows it is available. If the request just kills the mood, then I do exactly what you did and decline the service. The issue would be if she had to travel for a while to get to the location, which in your case she did not. I would certainly pay for her taxi back to the club or some reasonable fare, but that was something you did not have to deal with. I subscribe to the "we are the customers" theory, but understand it is a very personal transaction, so will allow some leeway. I don't like to be manipulated, so as soon as I get the feeling they are trying to leverage the situation in that manner I walk away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795320]WTF, you are entitled to your opinion, but I am of the other side of this situation. And to answer your question, yes, if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well. Almost every time I have paid a lady who has no one to answer to (ir free lancer) in advance the service has been less that expected or desired. Most of the time if the girls know there are consequences if they don't at least try to live up to their end of the bargain then they at lease give it a go. My experience is very different to yours in that it is a rarity for the lady to ask for the money upfront unless they are agency girls or something of the like. Sure there are exceptions of course. It sounds like this lady had a case of GPS and was not accustomed to be told "No" or turned down. Also seems she had a touch of psycho ***** thrown in for good measure. Maybe one more thing to get clarification before nodding my head yes. As I see it this lady wasted his time as well, and my time is as valuable as hers, maybe she missed out on a client, but maybe he missed out on the girl of his dreams while dealing with this gal. I would imagine it colored the rest of his evening for certain. I also have NEVER seen the girls give up their ID to enter Thermae, they may have to show one to make sure they are not LB's and are of age, but I have never seen them either give up or retrieve their ID before leaving.[/QUOTE]I actually told her the same thing when she said I "wasted her time". I said:"you wasted 3 minutes of my time as well but you can just go back down, and in 20 seconds, you can be back to where you were. " Next thing I know, wolverine-style slash attack. Those were some sharp nails, pretty sure that psychotic witch had some experience using those.

Anyway this really puts me off going to Thermae despite having been there countless times pre-covid, at least at gogo bars and soapies, there is someone you can find if there are any issues.

In all of my 20+ visits to Thailand, I have never thought I would be physically assaulted. I was pretty stunned that night actually, just rode the BTS back to my accoms and called it a night. Absolutely Bonkers.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2795394]If you made your clockwise run at Thermae, she would be standing on the left hand side in front of those diner booths, around 2/3 rds of the way in before the turn. Out interaction was so brief, I did not even manage to catch her name, she did say she she was from Khon Kaen. She spoke decent english.[/QUOTE]If you mean 2/3 the way down the left side (ie bar side) that would be around where the jukebox is. These are the vets of Thermae who have been there for years. At 9:24 of this video posted yesterday it shows the jukebox area. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpcje0uuOd8[/URL].

Sorry for being persistent here but I think it's pretty important to let others know which girl is unstable.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795289]And if the girl wanted money up front, how would you react?[/QUOTE]

If she were a FL like Thermae girls I would never pay up front. Then again, if she were one of the hottest girls I ever saw in Thailand I may rethink my MO. I think it was ET who mentioned this but paying a FL up front is a buzzkill. Again, if it's the norm to pay the bar/club up front then nothing you can do to change that.

[QUOTE=DCups;2795369]Hi guys, I'm taking a break from pinays and going to BKK Sukhumvit 16 and Patts for a week. If my info is correct I can get a taxi to the former for 300 B and to the latter for 1000 B. Is that correct? Plan on hitting some street action and Thermae in BKK and also the FLs and maybe a soapie in Pattaya Beach. Looking for slim and stacked and reasonably priced if anyone has any recommendations much obliged. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Taxi from BKK to Sukhumvit is like 400-500 baht total depending on time you're traveling and extra to pay tolls + airport fee. You'll be on a meter so and have to pay tolls in cash then airport surcharge as well. A ride to Sukhumvit to Pattaya is generally more like 1200-1300 baht, a little less if you negotiate or whatever around, its a bit cheaper to come back to Bangkok though.

Slim and stacked is a hard call. Slim is easy in thailand, stacked is much much harder, depending on what you view as stacked. Combing the two is quite the find. For FLs, you always have Soi 4 / Nana area. Otherwise, start on the north side of Sukhumvit from Soi 21 walking west to lower Sois checking out the FLs, and then turn down Soi 11 for a while (if you really wanted you can pop into Thermae too). There will be a lot more FLs on Fri. / sat night then other nights, especially on Soi 11. You will run into a least a couple girls with bigger boobs, but can't say the rest of them will be on point. Also, be wary, the push up bra makes even smaller boobs look a lot bigger, and the FLs know the tricks to make the boobs look better. I've been on the hunt for reliable, DD or bigger boobs in Bangkok and its just not really a thing.

Pattaya Gogos on Walking Street tend to have a lot more girls with larger fake boobs than anywhere you find in Bangkok, significantly more, maybe that's just the style there.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.[/QUOTE]Is this your first day out of the house? Clearly you are sorely lacking both experience and knowledge and should not be giving advice to anyone. NEVER, NEVER EVER pay up front period. Doing so will result in either a rip off or very poor experience 99% of the time. Every experienced monger on this site will tell you the same.

There is a world of scheming women that are going to love you. Of course they will be ripping you off!

I speak from 52 years mongering in 29 countries.

Guido88.

[QUOTE=DCups;2795369]Hi guys, I'm taking a break from pinays and going to BKK Sukhumvit 16 and Patts for a week. If my info is correct I can get a taxi to the former for 300 B and to the latter for 1000 B. Is that correct? Plan on hitting some street action and Thermae in BKK and also the FLs and maybe a soapie in Pattaya Beach. Looking for slim and stacked and reasonably priced if anyone has any recommendations much obliged. Cheers.[/QUOTE]DC,

Slim + stacked = boltons. Plenty available but you're going to be paying GoGo prices. For naturals and if you aren't afraid of a few years under her belt, then try Beach Road freelancers.

You know there is a direct flight Duma to Davao, right? There is everything you want there and the nearby cities.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795474]If you mean 2/3 the way down the left side (ie bar side) that would be around where the jukebox is. These are the vets of Thermae who have been there for years. At 9:24 of this video posted yesterday it shows the jukebox area. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpcje0uuOd8[/URL].

Sorry for being persistent here but I think it's pretty important to let others know which girl is unstable.



If she were a FL like Thermae girls I would never pay up front. Then again, if she were one of the hottest girls I ever saw in Thailand I may rethink my MO. I think it was ET who mentioned this but paying a FL up front is a buzzkill. Again, if it's the norm to pay the bar/club up front then nothing you can do to change that.[/QUOTE]Its going to be easy to find out, someone just needs to ask the staff. Or let me have some more details of her looks. Age, legnth of hair, figure? What she was wearing, hairstyle, etc. Tattos? The staff usually keeps the girls well under control.

Ill be there somepoint before Sunday, want me to check?

Personaly I don't care mind you. My usual receptacle hangs in that area and even if I chose another, I have never had a problem in Thermae and never pay in advance.

[QUOTE=Guido88;2795580]Is this your first day out of the house? Clearly you are sorely lacking both experience and knowledge and should not be giving advice to anyone. NEVER, NEVER EVER pay up front period. Doing so will result in either a rip off or very poor experience 99% of the time. Every experienced monger on this site will tell you the same.

There is a world of scheming women that are going to love you. Of course they will be ripping you off!

I speak from 52 years mongering in 29 countries.

Guido88.[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2795595]DC,

Slim + stacked = boltons. Plenty available but you're going to be paying GoGo prices. For naturals and if you aren't afraid of a few years under her belt, then try Beach Road freelancers.

You know there is a direct flight Duma to Davao, right? There is everything you want there and the nearby cities.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Bolt-ONS are fine with me as long as not rock hard. Yeah, older beach road beauties are fine. I just need some Thai twat. I'll try Davao some other time, buddy.

I don't know if this is new news or not.

But after spending over 2 weeks nightly in Nana.

Rainbow 5 on the 2nd floor, seems to be the goto hot spot for the round eyes!!

Well maybe? I will post any also rans soon 55555555.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795392]Well there was no change in terms because the guy only established the terms after he had already took the girl and paid for the room.

I would just like to hear the other side of the story.

Either the "petite" mid 20's girl was actually psychotic or this guy was aggressive with her or something.

Clearly the girl was so insistent on getting payment beforehand, despite the extra hassle, so perhaps she saw a red flag with him.[/QUOTE]Everything you said is possibly true, however in this case I think I will just apply the principles of Ockham's razor and go with what was posted. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but since none of us with the exception of the two individuals in the room were witness to this incident it is not possible to know for certain. I will say that I have experienced situations were the the lady (sometimes the term is applied very loosely) had a significant change in attitude once the door closed behind them, as well as some type of memory loss about the conversation that had taken place only minutes before closed. This personal experience is certainly driving my opinion on the matter. And before you suggest anything to the contrary, I am absolutely certain that on the those occasions when it happened I had given them no reasons for a "red flag" as you call it.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795668]Everything you said is possibly true, however in this case I think I will just apply the principles of Ockham's razor and go with what was posted. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but since none of us with the exception of the two individuals in the room were witness to this incident it is not possible to know for certain. I will say that I have experienced situations were the the lady (sometimes the term is applied very loosely) had a significant change in attitude once the door closed behind them, as well as some type of memory loss about the conversation that had taken place only minutes before closed. This personal experience is certainly driving my opinion on the matter. And before you suggest anything to the contrary, I am absolutely certain that on the those occasions when it happened I had given them no reasons for a "red flag" as you call it.[/QUOTE]I never touched her all that time even when she hit me.

As an aside, I will just say there have been a few instances in Thailand where the lady asked me for the money upfront. I have always politely refused and told them I would pay after, not before. They were always cool with that until this particular episode. Even at go-go bars where the mamasan asked me for money upfront, I have always just paid the bar fine and said I would pay the rest after and not before. Never had an issue. Sometimes as a compromise, they may ask me to pay 1/2 of the fee at the bar first, which I am happy to do.

On hindsight, I probably should have approached the bouncer at Thermae and told him about it. Not sure what he could or would do, given the girls there are freelancers but oh well, too late for that now.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795474]If you mean 2/3 the way down the left side (ie bar side) that would be around where the jukebox is. These are the vets of Thermae who have been there for years. At 9:24 of this video posted yesterday it shows the jukebox area. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpcje0uuOd8[/URL].

Sorry for being persistent here but I think it's pretty important to let others know which girl is unstable.
.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's around where she was, slightly to the left of the jukebox. I don't think she is a veteran. I have been to Thermae many times and have never seen her but then again there are so many girls there. She did mention when we were going up that she did not ply her trade at Thermae before Covid because she was in Khon Kaen but she may be lying.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795668]Everything you said is possibly true, however in this case I think I will just apply the principles of Ockham's razor and go with what was posted. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but since none of us with the exception of the two individuals in the room were witness to this incident it is not possible to know for certain. I will say that I have experienced situations were the the lady (sometimes the term is applied very loosely) had a significant change in attitude once the door closed behind them, as well as some type of memory loss about the conversation that had taken place only minutes before closed. This personal experience is certainly driving my opinion on the matter. And before you suggest anything to the contrary, I am absolutely certain that on the those occasions when it happened I had given them no reasons for a "red flag" as you call it.[/QUOTE]I'm guessin a LB or sum type of Lena Dunham want to be femicunt troll.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2794833]petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. I did not even manage to catch her name, she did say she she was from Khon Kaen. She spoke decent english.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2795600] Age, legnth of hair, figure? What she was wearing, hairstyle, etc. Tattos? [/QUOTE]The above is all we know about physical attributes. I didn't include the fact about the girl saying she didn't work there pre-COVID cause that's likely a lie. That really doesn't cut it down. I don't think any of the girls who stand at the Jukebox is mid-20's. They are a bit older than that. The girls who stand to the left of the Jukebox are the younger and generally pretty ones. That's the prime target area for the younger Japanese guys. In a full bar, they are the coveted girls and the only girls at Thermae I see turning guys down.

Was really hoping the OP would watch some recent Thermae YouTube videos and let us know which girl it is. From his physical description I can think of 2 girls.

[QUOTE=DCups;2795651]Bolt-ONS are fine with me as long as not rock hard. Yeah, older beach road beauties are fine. I just need some Thai twat. I'll try Davao some other time, buddy.[/QUOTE]You're going to want to do the Pattaya gogos on Walking Street as I recommended. Thats where the vast majority of big boobs are, not the FLs on Beach Road and not Soi 6. Just jump into a few gogos on walking street, peak in, if no big knockers, move to the next one. Some will be like half the girls have bigger boltons, some you walk in and there is like 1 big boobed girl, others it seems like every chick has a bad but big boob job. These is pretty stark contrast to Bangkok's Nana Plaza or Cowboy, as bigger fake boobs there are uncommon.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795474]If you mean 2/3 the way down the left side (ie bar side) that would be around where the jukebox is. These are the vets of Thermae who have been there for years. At 9:24 of this video posted yesterday it shows the jukebox area. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpcje0uuOd8[/URL].

.[/QUOTE]I like the one at 2:47. She really fills out that white Tshirt wiht red lettering nicely. Anyone know her?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2795663]I don't know if this is new news or not.

But after spending over 2 weeks nightly in Nana.

Rainbow 5 on the 2nd floor, seems to be the goto hot spot for the round eyes!!

Well maybe? I will post any also rans soon 55555555.[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, I took a girl from Rainbow 5 tonight before I read your post.

I have rarely gone into Rainbow 5 over the past several months. Actually, that is the main reason I stopped in there tonight. Just curious. And I was thirsty on a warm night.

Can't say I felt any different or more positive vibe in there as a white guy than I feel in any other Nana Plaza gogo bar such as Billboard, Butterflies, other Rainbow Bars and so on. And as I recall there was a noticeably higher percentage of Asian customers in there than white guys at about 8:45 pm.

Anyway, the personal FR part of this post is I smiled at and gestured that I would buy a drink for a girl I judged to be well above average in looks for a bargirl, let's say a bargirl 8. She smiled back and came off the stage to sit with me.

Over the course of 2 LDs, tequila shots, we seemed to establish a positive and fun chemistry. I liked her. Mild back and forth negotiations in the bar settled at a no hurry ST with DFK, DATY of her claimed to be shaved pussy, BBBJ foreplay leading to BBFSCIP for 4,000 baht to her plus the 1,000 baht barfine.

Of course, I paid the 1,000 baht barfine at the bar and put the 4,000 baht for her next to her purse in my room after the sex was over and she was taking a shower.

All went well. There were no unpleasant surprises. Counting about 600 baht for her LDs and a 30 baht tip to the server, the approximate 5630 baht total minus my drink was maybe 1,000 baht more than I could and often enough do pay for an attractive Nana Plaza gogo girl who gives me such an upfront pre-barfine agreement and means it. But this one was particularly attractive to me so it was worth it.

I guess I will never know if any of that outcome for me from that particular bar on this particular night happened because I was white. It seemed to be about the same outcome I experience 60% - 65% of the time I call down a Nana Plaza gogo girl that I find attractive enough to want to buy an LD or two for and negotiate a session with in other bars on other nights.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795474]If you mean 2/3 the way down the left side (ie bar side) that would be around where the jukebox is. These are the vets of Thermae who have been there for years. At 9:24 of this video posted yesterday it shows the jukebox area. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpcje0uuOd8[/URL].
[/QUOTE]Nice looks like a new video. I see a lot of people just reusing clips from older vids. Saw the lady at 329, standing at a diff spot a few months ago. Was going up to her but a few other guys started chatting her up and her friend. Took a seat and waited patiently to get my turn but they eventually took her and her friend

I will be in Bangkok, for the first time, next week. I used to monger in Hong Kong, Shanghai and sometimes the Philippines. Both very good places if you know where to find what you want, but I guess this is true almost everywhere.

I've read a lot on this board, on other websites (mainly Bangkok Nightlife) and also YouTube which is surprisingly good to "feel" the place: lots of POV videos including from inside Thermae (though none from inside go-go bars which I think is a big no-no. Unless you want to end up having troubles).

Thanks to all the users who introduced me to FIWFANS. Before knowing it existed I was hooked on ThaiFriendly which is not good to hook up for casual sex IMHO (I may not have the guts to just ask for what I want. It's may way of respecting those who are there to find something else. Just me).

As those people noted, FIWFANS ladies are mostly working off hotels outside the city center, so visiting them late afternoon is difficult, with traffic being what it is. However, I plan to use them during the day (who needs lunch when you can DATY a skinny 20 yo 42 kg 155 cm tall, or short rather, pretty-faced flat-chested countryside dark-skinned girl instead. Yup that's my type. !) I assume they are all actual girls, though of course who can tell. Maybe some are post-ops. None, or almost none, would do BBFS if that's your thing (it's not mine, unless I'm on PReP or really drunk), according the website. Few would do LT and even fewer overnight, but they work during the day which is perfect.

I've shortlisted 10 ladies or so based on my preferences, added them to LINE and sent a message in English to confirm they serve foreigners. Never had these many contacts beforehand.

I would love to stroll the streets and sois from Nana to Soi Cowboy till the wee hours hoping I find a gem (who is not a ladyboy) but (1) it's a business trip so I have to wake up early and (2) I have the "next one will look prettier, but let me take a mental note of this one and maybe come back later" syndrome. Read: my feet are too sore before my nuts have bust.

Now I believe if everything goes according to plan that I can meet with a FIWFANS lady during the day and walk the streets of Sukhmvit at night, stop at bars and chat with ladies there with way less pressure. Though I know that just like on my previous trips to other Asian cities, I will find a second date for the day anyway. But it can be any 7+ cheerful lady (I've already scored a grail girl a few hours earlier).

I could even visit Thermae and not look like a tiger doing 8's while eyeing a prey.

I now need to go back a few pages on this board and look for the name of that beer bar on Soi Cowboy someone mentioned that seems more relaxed than others. And if anyone has any name to suggest, go ahead.

I will post an update. And hopefully a longer report. And keep reading here till I'm back (and probably for a while after that.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2795773]I like the one at 2:47. She really fills out that white Tshirt wiht red lettering nicely. Anyone know her?[/QUOTE]Go figure. I would love to meet the one (either ones actually. Ok make it both if they are game!) at 4:47.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2795769]You're going to want to do the Pattaya gogos on Walking Street as I recommended. Thats where the vast majority of big boobs are, not the FLs on Beach Road and not Soi 6. Just jump into a few gogos on walking street, peak in, if no big knockers, move to the next one. Some will be like half the girls have bigger boltons, some you walk in and there is like 1 big boobed girl, others it seems like every chick has a bad but big boob job. These is pretty stark contrast to Bangkok's Nana Plaza or Cowboy, as bigger fake boobs there are uncommon.[/QUOTE]Copy that, GM. Many thanks. I will report findings as my motto is "Banging the biggest boobs on the planet". I once had an opportunity to meet the infamous Miosotis in Santiago, Dominican Republic but I sensed from her handler it was a set up so I passed. Colombia and DR has had reports of drugging customers and robbing them or worse. Asian twat is tighter, anyway. Cheers, mates.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2795773]I like the one at 2:47. She really fills out that white Tshirt wiht red lettering nicely. Anyone know her?[/QUOTE]Don't know her personally but she was there from September to November. Looks like your type. I call fakes though. FYI she reappears again at 6:12 if you want to see her from the side and back.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2795795]Saw the lady at 329, standing at a diff spot a few months ago. [/QUOTE]Thermae vet. Usually stands near the back door.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2795806]Go figure. I would love to meet the one (either ones actually. Ok make it both if they are game!) at 4:47.[/QUOTE]Never seen them before.

I never watched the video til now only to let everyone know which girl I would have chosen. It was difficult seeing all the girls with the very shaky camera. I would have called this a bad night at Thermae in my review and likely went elsewhere for my girl. Either that or take Uncle V's girl scared to death what those fakes are going to feel and look like. Kudos to the 3 of you for picking out the 3 best girls I saw on the video.

Some thoughts. I still don't understand guys who walk around Thermae with no smile on their face and their arms crossed. It's no wonder so many guys strike out at Thermae. Still all ladyboys outside Thermae so not understanding those who say they picked up girls outside of Thermae.

We get asked this question quite a bit so curious to see what the vets say about what they would do if they only had 1 day in Bangkok for 1st time visitors, after checking into your hotel at 3 pm and leaving for the airport at 7 am the next morning.

3 pm. Check into hotel. Shower. Quick bite at Pier 21 in Terminal 21. Very short MRT ride to Phrom Phong. Check out the massage joints on Sukhumvit Soi 24. Area. Enjoy a 90 minute session.

6 pm. Pick up a couple of drinks at 7-11 outside my hotel door. Back to hotel. Shower.

7 pm. Go to Terminal 21 to grab a quick bite.

8 pm. Head to Thermae even though it doesn't really pick up til 9 pm. Make sure no one swoops a girl I like. Does it still open at 8 pm? I recall the doors still locked when I went last time at 8.

9 pm. Find a girl and have a session with her. DO NOT pay in advance!

10:30 pm. After yet another shower rush off to Nana / Cowboy / Patpong. If it's my first visit I'd do Nana only so I can walk around and experience all the freelancers on Sukhumvit Soi 4.

1:30 am. If you haven't barfined a gogo / bar girl, look for FL's on Soi 4 or walk over to Sukhumvit Soi 11. There are also night clubs on Soi 11 if sleep is not an issue.

I would consider that a decent 1 day layover in BKK if I had never been before.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795851]
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Some thoughts. I still don't understand guys who walk around Thermae with no smile on their face and their arms crossed. It's no wonder so many guys strike out at Thermae. Still all ladyboys outside Thermae so not understanding those who say they picked up girls outside of Thermae.[/QUOTE]Bb, I agree with you about the lack of smiles from the potential customers cruising through Thermae tending to be met with an equal lack of smiles or positive response from the girls standing in there. However, that doesn't seem to apply for many sour faced Asian men. I see plenty of those same girls perk up, smile and focus attention on them, apparently eager to bring a positive vibe and pleasant attitude to those potential customers rather than wait for the potential customer to bring it to them.

Which, after all, is what they ought to be doing with anyone they'd like to take them and pay for it, right? And I do see those Asian sour pusses taking them.

As an older Caucasian man, I do try to bring some smiles and sunshine into the bar with me along with at least a Hello, How Are You in basic Thai language. Consequently, I probably get more return smiles and positive response than most older Caucasian men cruising through there.

Still, most will definitely resond in a subdued way to me, which I generally chalk up to the way many of those girls think they need to respond to a Caucasian considering their much larger pool of potential customers are Asian men watching the show and, the girl might conclude, are not particularly keen to take girls demonstrably hot to trot with Caucasians anyway.

Smiles and positive response are nice but where I fail to succeed with Thermae girls is that only a rare few of the ones attractive enough to interest me have agreed to Real Sex / BBFSCIP with me for any reasonable amount of money. And that is regardless whether I discretely broach the subject sometime before we leave the area together or, if I decide to use the popular "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach, after charming and amusing them awash in irresistible sexual chemistry all the way back to my room and up to the point of penetration in my bed. LOL.

In that regard, Thermae has proven to be the absolute worst venue for me and other punters shopping for that same thing. Not impossible. Just way too much hassle and too many hurdles to bother with it.

I would also say there are real females, even very attractive ones, to be found and met standing outside of Thermae from time to time. To be sure, the vast majority out there are ladyboys. But a gem or two real females can be found out there occasionally.

In fact, I took two girls from out there over the past several months and I would rate them among the top 25% better lookers to be found inside Thermae. Being outdoors and not standing in front of that godawful shoulder-to-shoulder lineup downstairs that seems to be designed to prevent a discrete negotiation of anything, I indeed got an upfront agreement for Real Sex / BBFSCIP from one of those young girls for a reasonable 3000 baht fee. I happily repeated another time.

I used the "go with the flow" approach with the other one and, sure enough, that one turned out to be a session confined only to perhaps the best DATY she has ever or will ever experience in her life and no sex at all for me. I still felt obligated to give her at least 2000 for her time, nudity and the fine pussy meal she reluctantly agreed to feed me since I had not negotiated anything upfront. Oh well. I did not repeat.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795892]8 pm. Head to Thermae even though it doesn't really pick up til 9 pm. Make sure no one swoops a girl I like. Does it still open at 8 pm? I recall the doors still locked when I went last time at 8.[/QUOTE]IIRC first time we walked by around 730 and sign or worker told friend doesn't open until 8. And I recall sign says close at 1 but actually closes at 2 am.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795851]Thermae vet. Usually stands near the back door.[/QUOTE]Yup! Thats where I saw her with her friend in Jan. Did you talk to her or bring her back with you? Any intel would be great. Planning to visit soon and try to hit up a few I missed out on my last trip.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2795663]I don't know if this is new news or not.

But after spending over 2 weeks nightly in Nana.

Rainbow 5 on the 2nd floor, seems to be the goto hot spot for the round eyes!!

Well maybe? I will post any also rans soon 55555555.[/QUOTE]Last night Rainbow 5 guards told 2 mean looking Sri Kankans buy another round or leave. They left.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795892]We get asked this question quite a bit so curious to see what the vets say about what they would do if they only had 1 day in Bangkok for 1st time visitors, after checking into your hotel at 3 pm and leaving for the airport at 7 am the next morning.

3 pm. Check into hotel. Shower. Quick bite at Pier 21 in Terminal 21. Very short MRT ride to Phrom Phong. Check out the massage joints on Sukhumvit Soi 24. Area. Enjoy a 90 minute session.

6 pm. Pick up a couple of drinks at 7-11 outside my hotel door. Back to hotel. Shower.

7 pm. Go to Terminal 21 to grab a quick bite.

8 pm. Head to Thermae even though it doesn't really pick up til 9 pm. Make sure no one swoops a girl I like. Does it still open at 8 pm? I recall the doors still locked when I went last time at 8.

9 pm. Find a girl and have a session with her. DO NOT pay in advance!

10:30 pm. After yet another shower rush off to Nana / Cowboy / Patpong. If it's my first visit I'd do Nana only so I can walk around and experience all the freelancers on Sukhumvit Soi 4.

1:30 am. If you haven't barfined a gogo / bar girl, look for FL's on Soi 4 or walk over to Sukhumvit Soi 11. There are also night clubs on Soi 11 if sleep is not an issue.

I would consider that a decent 1 day layover in BKK if I had never been before.[/QUOTE]I'd say just go Nana Plaza and see what happens.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795892]We get asked this question quite a bit so curious to see what the vets say about what they would do if they only had 1 day in Bangkok for 1st time visitors, after checking into your hotel at 3 pm and leaving for the airport at 7 am the next morning.

3 pm. Check into hotel. Shower. Quick bite at Pier 21 in Terminal 21. Very short MRT ride to Phrom Phong. Check out the massage joints on Sukhumvit Soi 24. Area. Enjoy a 90 minute session.

...

I would consider that a decent 1 day layover in BKK if I had never been before.[/QUOTE]Wow you read my mind I'm going to stay 7 days and I will be arriving at 6 am on Sunday but still that sounds interesting.

Bangkok Nightlife also mentioned some other malls and how it is possible to pick up local college students there. For example, I quote: "On nights and weekends, MBK Mall is packed with pretty young students who love talking to guys. ". Now that's a viable option in the Philippines. But I would say that it's not that realistic in Bangkok. Or is it?

[QUOTE=DCups;2795839]Copy that, GM. Many thanks. I will report findings as my motto is "Banging the biggest boobs on the planet". I once had an opportunity to meet the infamous Miosotis in Santiago, Dominican Republic but I sensed from her handler it was a set up so I passed. Colombia and DR has had reports of drugging customers and robbing them or worse. Asian twat is tighter, anyway. Cheers, mates.[/QUOTE]You should try FIWFANS and play with the parameters for chest circumference. I saw quite a few slim & busty girls there (not the type of girl I'm looking for in Thailand but I did a search just for you.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2795942] For example, I quote: "On nights and weekends, MBK Mall is packed with pretty young students who love talking to guys. ". Now that's a viable option in the Philippines. But I would say that it's not that realistic in Bangkok. Or is it?[/QUOTE]No it's not realistic in Bangkok, unless you are young, very handsome, polite, and speak the language quite well. Civilian Thai women are not too keen on middle-aged and old mongers hitting on them when they are trying to shop. It also reflects badly on us foreigners. 20 plus years ago this would have been more acceptable, but now it's definitely not. Confine your mongering activities to those who you are sure are on the game.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2795957]No it's not realistic in Bangkok, unless you are young, very handsome, polite, and speak the language quite well. Civilian Thai women are not too keen on middle-aged and old mongers hitting on them when they are trying to shop. It also reflects badly on us foreigners. 20 plus years ago this would have been more acceptable, but now it's definitely not. Confine your mongering activities to those who you are sure are on the game.[/QUOTE]Correct.

In my case 30 plus years ago.

Maybe 40.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2795790]Coincidentally, I took a girl from Rainbow 5 tonight before I read your post.

I have rarely gone into Rainbow 5 over the past several months. Actually, that is the main reason I stopped in there tonight. Just curious. And I was thirsty on a warm night.

Can't say I felt any different or more positive vibe in there as a white guy than I feel in any other Nana Plaza gogo bar such as Billboard, Butterflies, other Rainbow Bars and so on. And as I recall there was a noticeably higher percentage of Asian customers in there than white guys at about 8:45 pm.

Anyway, the personal FR part of this post is I smiled at and gestured that I would buy a drink for a girl I judged to be well above average in looks for a bargirl, let's say a bargirl 8. She smiled back and came off the stage to sit with me.

Over the course of 2 LDs, tequila shots, we seemed to establish a positive and fun chemistry. I liked her. Mild back and forth negotiations in the bar settled at a no hurry ST with DFK, DATY of her claimed to be shaved pussy, BBBJ foreplay leading to BBFSCIP for 4,000 baht to her plus the 1,000 baht barfine.

Of course, I paid the 1,000 baht barfine at the bar and put the 4,000 baht for her next to her purse in my room after the sex was over and she was taking a shower.

All went well. There were no unpleasant surprises. Counting about 600 baht for her LDs and a 30 baht tip to the server, the approximate 5630 baht total minus my drink was maybe 1,000 baht more than I could and often enough do pay for an attractive Nana Plaza gogo girl who gives me such an upfront pre-barfine agreement and means it. But this one was particularly attractive to me so it was worth it.

I guess I will never know if any of that outcome for me from that particular bar on this particular night happened because I was white. It seemed to be about the same outcome I experience 60% - 65% of the time I call down a Nana Plaza gogo girl that I find attractive enough to want to buy an LD or two for and negotiate a session with in other bars on other nights.[/QUOTE]Well I took one for the 1st time there, a 18-20 yo braces, looked like fresh meat to me?

I pay the waitress the barfine 1000 and she says pay lady, I say no we agreed to pay "after".

We agreed to 2500 plus 1000 BF, pay after no condoms.

Ok all set, so we go to my room very eager to squeeze my hand like BF and GF the whole walk.

I'm thinking ok something seems a bit off, along the walk she says I have to call my GF (up to this point I thought she speaks no englsih but speaks to her in Thai).

Quik call, we get to the room and she demands the money 555 and now 3500, I laugh and tell her to GTFO of my room.

She calls someone on the fone, I don't care who it is, buts she's trying to hand me the fone, and says its the mamasan (yeah right).

She keeps handing it it to me, so I grab it to hang it up as I do I see a foto on line of some 20 yo girls foto, her sister? Or GF?

So I boot out of my room and race back to the bar to get my 1000 BF returned before she gets there and spews sum BS lies.

By the time I finish telling the mamasan what happened she strolls back in, the mamasan asks her what happened gets the waitress.

And they tell me, pay "after" means pay after you leave the bar, I said what a bunch of bullshit, and they can tell I'm pissed.

So I mentioned she made sum shame fone call to mamasan in room but to her friend, she asks her if this is true.

And she says yes and the mamasan starts screaming at her, and says ok I give you your BF back but we don't have it, we have to wait for another BF so I had to sit there for at least another 30 minutes.

As she gives me the money she's being a ***** but I mention, I write on forums for guys that travel around to different bars.

She then changed her attitude and bowed and said write whatever you want about her but please don't name my bar!!

FUCK Rainbow 5.

Its the most fucked bar I've ever seen.

And I've mongered at scs all over the USA includ East STL and Metro Detroit.

It is the wild west of Nana.

No rules, putas shoot random ass crazy prices, there arent set prices.

Its like a bunch of freelancers.

Vaping on stage.

Vape in one hand fone in the other, or fone inside their bra whilst dancing, What in the Fuck.

Seems like the inmates are running the asylum! And its not good.

Yes last night it was about 75% asian to 25% round eyes.

The night before about 75% round eyes to 25%.

I haven't seen one Indian whatever that means.

These are sum seriously mercenary putas, you've been warned!!

The PUTAS number is #82.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795851]Don't know her personally but she was there from September to November. Looks like your type. I call fakes though. FYI she reappears again at 6:12 if you want to see her from the side and back.

.[/QUOTE]You may be right. But she has a certain pleasant chubbiness that tells me they may actually be real. I think I could probably tell if I saw her up close.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2795957]No it's not realistic in Bangkok, unless you are young, very handsome, polite, and speak the language quite well. Civilian Thai women are not too keen on middle-aged and old mongers hitting on them when they are trying to shop. It also reflects badly on us foreigners. 20 plus years ago this would have been more acceptable, but now it's definitely not. Confine your mongering activities to those who you are sure are on the game.[/QUOTE]Reflect bad on Foreigner s? SInGLE tourists have been long looked down upon since way before 1999.

Not a Secret why we keep coming back. COVID blew up that Meme. Not once did anyone ask are the Temples open yet. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2795715]I'm guessin a LB or sum type of Lena Dunham want to be femicunt troll.[/QUOTE]Please take a moment to enlighten me.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795976]Please take a moment to enlighten me.[/QUOTE]This was not regarding your post.

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[QUOTE=ChaChumplin;2795972]Reflect bad on Foreigner s? SInGLE tourists have been long looked down upon since way before 1999.

Not a Secret why we keep coming back. COVID blew up that Meme. Not once did anyone ask are the Temples open yet. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Not nearly looked down upon then as much as now.

Of course the vast majority of tourists are not here for the sex industry. I'd say that percentage has decreased dramatically over the last decade or so, especially among westerners. There are far more Asian sex tourists now than there are Western sex tourists.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2795894]only a rare few of the ones attractive enough to interest me have agreed to Real Sex / BBFSCIP with me for any reasonable amount of money..........Thermae has proven to be the absolute worst venue for me and other punters shopping for that same thing. Not impossible. Just way too much hassle and too many hurdles to bother with it.[/QUOTE]Thermae is definitely not the place to go if you are looking to cum on a girl's face / hair or in her pussy. Thermae girls are looking to grab 2 or 3 customers per night so they don't want there night delayed or ruined. Thermae is a place of convenience for lazy asses like me who enjoy to people watch and grab a girl for a quickie after a couple of hours ie kill time. Maybe it's just me but I find my time in Thermae to be extremely entertaining shaking my head at the incompetence of other men. My sessions don't turn out to be BBFSCIP but much much closer to that than many of the poor experiences that others on here seem to get. If I want something more hardcore I would fly to another SEA country where what you are seeking is the norm for a weekend/week, go to my known places in Pattaya where high mileage is the norm, or call one of my regulars.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2796059]Not nearly looked down upon then as much as now.

Of course the vast majority of tourists are not here for the sex industry. I'd say that percentage has decreased dramatically over the last decade or so, especially among westerners. There are far more Asian sex tourists now than there are Western sex tourists.[/QUOTE]Not just in Thailand then. I've been witnessing that trend in many other Asian cities: Hong Kong (mainland Chinese), The Philippines especially AC (Chinese, but also Korean and Japanese). I recently came across a profile on FWIFANS requesting +500 B for "Euro and Indian". Well, now I know how it feels like. Good for them, I know. But it's a bummer.

For those who mongered in Shanghai and recall Manhattan, it used to be Western only, then. When it switched to mostly local Chinese. Ladies (mostly Vietnamese single moms on short term visas) would turn us down in the hope of scoring the local Chinese dude who was there with friends and had to show off by spending a lot of cash on the ladies, also probably too drunk to perform later. I hope the arrival of (more) sex tourists in Bangkok has not caused the same change of attitude. This is what I've heard happened at Thermae and I do not want to beg ladies to choose me (it should be the other way round, for heaven's sake! .

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796071]Not just in Thailand then. I've been witnessing that trend in many other Asian cities: Hong Kong (mainland Chinese), The Philippines especially AC (Chinese, but also Korean and Japanese). I recently came across a profile on FWIFANS requesting +500 B for "Euro and Indian". Well, now I know how it feels like. Good for them, I know. But it's a bummer.

For those who mongered in Shanghai and recall Manhattan, it used to be Western only, then. When it switched to mostly local Chinese. Ladies (mostly Vietnamese single moms on short term visas) would turn us down in the hope of scoring the local Chinese dude who was there with friends and had to show off by spending a lot of cash on the ladies, also probably too drunk to perform later. I hope the arrival of (more) sex tourists in Bangkok has not caused the same change of attitude. This is what I've heard happened at Thermae and I do not want to beg ladies to choose me (it should be the other way round, for heaven's sake! .[/QUOTE]Sadly, the legendary Maggie's in Beijing is also gone. Glad I got to experience that place.

That said, there are other places in Thailand outside of Bangkok that is like the Thailand of old. Where the women only care about the color of your money and not picky about your skin color, age, or nationality. Sure they may not be 18 year old spinners, but they are very grateful that once again someone found them attractive enough to through some money at them for sex. There is nothing like the happy smile of a desperate fat girl to warm the heart.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2795968]Well I took one for the 1st time there, a 18-20 yo braces, looked like fresh meat to me?

I pay the waitress the barfine 1000 and she says pay lady, I say no we agreed to pay "after".

We agreed to 2500 plus 1000 BF, pay after no condoms.

Ok all set, so we go to my room very eager to squeeze my hand like BF and GF the whole walk.

I'm thinking ok something seems a bit off, along the walk she says I have to call my GF (up to this point I thought she speaks no englsih but speaks to her in Thai).

Quik call, we get to the room and she demands the money 555 and now 3500, I laugh and tell her to GTFO of my room.

She calls someone on the fone, I don't care who it is, buts she's trying to hand me the fone, and says its the mamasan (yeah right)..[/QUOTE]In fact, I did the same thing with a Rainbow 5 girl I took just over a year ago. By your description she was not the same girl. This one was also all lovey dovey in the bar, agreed to all my basic requirements upfront, then all her agreements and demeanor changed dramatically as soon as the door to my apartment closed behind us.

Same return to the bar to inform the mamasan she has a scammer in her bar more likely to drive customers away for a long time rather than attract them. And, truthfully, that is exactly why I hadn't gone in there for a while, had not bought multiple LDs including one for that same mamasan or barfined a girl from there until 2 nights ago, more than a year after that scam. I chose to spend my time, positive vibe and money elsewhere.

To her credit, the mamasan did offer to refund the barfine as in your case or to give me some free drinks to make up for it, my choice.

I suspect many would shrug off a blatant scam like that and never make the move to return to the bar to report it to the mamasan on the assumption that it won't make any difference, it's not like they're going to kick the girl out if she is slick enough to get many barfines paid to the bar and only 1-2 customers who get scammed by her has the brass balls to March back in to complain instead of meekly slink away in silence. And, more likely, because they are just too scared shitless to do it.

Well, I do it when that happens. And thank you for doing it. However, I am a bit confused how your negative report here fits your previous assessment that Rainbow 5 is now the "go to" bar for round eyes. Aren't you a round eye who got scammed by a girl there recently as I am a round eye that got scammed by one there a year ago?

BTW, how good is it for the market and other punters when those of us who get scammed and there is no grey area about it we got scammed return to the bar to complain about it and even get the barfine refunded?

LOL. Well, you know who I envy? I envy the very next 2-3 customers our two scammer girls went with. Those guys likely got the best no hassle genuine GFE from those scammers any customer ever got from any bargirl in Thailand. LOL.

Cue the subsequent FR from the next guy who took your #82; "Gee, I don't know how anybody could have a problem with these girls, especially that oh so eager to please sweetheart! It must have been you. You just don't know how to treat these girls well as a gentleman like I do."

LOL. That dude will never know the only reason he got a great session with her is because you made the considerable effort to put the fear of god into her about delivering anything less than her best for at least a few nights.

Will be in BKK next week and wondering if anyone has had sucess using Smooci?

If you log onto the site there are about 60 - 70 girls for BKK, but I was wondering if this is just a selection of what is available and if I will see more if I have a paid subscription? Also some of the services are shown in pink (a-levels, couples). I assume this means there is an additional cost, but cannot see it detailed anywhere.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2796064]Thermae is definitely not the place to go if you are looking to cum on a girl's face / hair or in her pussy. Thermae girls are looking to grab 2 or 3 customers per night so they don't want there night delayed or ruined. Thermae is a place of convenience for lazy asses like me who enjoy to people watch and grab a girl for a quickie after a couple of hours ie kill time. Maybe it's just me but I find my time in Thermae to be extremely entertaining shaking my head at the incompetence of other men. My sessions don't turn out to be BBFSCIP but much much closer to that than many of the poor experiences that others on here seem to get. If I want something more hardcore I would fly to another SEA country where what you are seeking is the norm for a weekend/week, go to my known places in Pattaya where high mileage is the norm, or call one of my regulars.[/QUOTE]At my age and with my attention span, Thermae is perfect. I love to go there just to people watch just like BB, and if I'm in the mood and the right one is there, bang!

So what if some chick turns me down, I just smile and say OK, no problem, "very big" with gesture which alwys gets a laugh. The girls all talk anyway so my regular I'm sure fills them in.

After landing in Bkk I was a little tired due to the long journey and lack of sleep due to an early morning flight. I was in touch with a few spas over line trying to get a hotel massage booked. Met Noey from HappyBkk. Profile can be found on the website with her images. I really wanted to try Alice but she wasn't reviewed before. Called her for outcall to my hotel at Sukhumvit Soi 11 and she came bang on time. Very professional girl. Total GFE with no inhibitions. Gave me a soapy, DFK, cuddles in the bathtub. Allows fingers to explore her butt, BBBJ, CIM. She is not that young as advertised in the images but not too old either and overall I really enjoyed my time with her. Also HappyBkk was really smooth with their booking process. Daisy dreams refused for outcall. Wanted to try Coco basis the reports here. Gave me compliments on my good behaviour and off she went in the crowd of Sukhumvit 11. This street is so damn busy and found people from all parts of the world here.

Went to Thermae afterwards but felt its a little overrated. I found better crowd in a few other places during my entire Thailand trip and didn't feel Thermae as some top notch place that has to be visited. Half the girls seemed uninterested and had no eye contact with the customers. The ones who showed interest in going with me were slightly old for my liking. But it feels like a game or a holy place where a person needs to take atleast 2 rounds in circles with a beer in hand before heading to their respective countries. We call it "Parikrama" of a holy place in India (On a lighter note).

Also this country has done wonders legalising weed. Man I felt like a kid in those cannabis stores being a pot head. Most hotels I stayed had atleast 3 cannabis stores with a 50 m radius. You can never be low on dopamine in Thailand. It's meant to trigger all your senses. I got an actual downer after I went back to my country.

Special mention for Newton York as his reports did help me in finding action on Day 1.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2795370]I used to stay in lat krabang in a 100 dollar a night hotel. I'm fairly sure things would have progressed as my last stay at mariya hotel found me in the beer garden next door talking to two beer girls. I'd not describe then as hot nor would I know if they were available but my guess is I could have got a number. One was quite young probably 21 to 25.

They were certainly suggestively dressed and chatting to all the men folk. Probably more cheap hooters than gogo girls.

As for the area itself a few massage places but I gave up on lat krabang and just booked hotels in the sukuhumvit area because there was so little to do out that way and transfer times were good.

I don't use the word dump lightly. But lat krabang was a dump back then. Only good if you were a plane spotter I reckon. No good food. Nothing good to see. Just cheap hotels.

As for TF yes there were a few ladies out that way and likewise I'm sure some of the ladies from smooci would come out that way in a fully expensed taxi. I remember some here would go to the soapies along the expressway.[/QUOTE]Will be staying at the Siam Mandarina Hotel. Suvarnabhumi Airport and would prefer to monger near the hotel, as looks like I have to be at the airport around 4 am to meet the suggested 3 hours before boarding airport arrival.

Beer Garden / Bar or Soapy Massage place would work perfectly, if there are any recommended ones in the area.

Nice to know. Call it out — name and number at bottom or report. Perfect!. Things are getting way out of hand.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2795968]Well I took one for the 1st time there, a 18-20 yo braces, looked like fresh meat to me?

I pay the waitress the barfine 1000 and she says pay lady, I say no we agreed to pay "after".

We agreed to 2500 plus 1000 BF, pay after no condoms.

Ok all set, so we go to my room very eager to squeeze my hand like BF and GF the whole walk.

I'm thinking ok something seems a bit off, along the walk she says I have to call my GF (up to this point I thought she speaks no englsih but speaks to her in Thai).

Quik call, we get to the room and she demands the money 555 and now 3500, I laugh and tell her to GTFO of my room.

She calls someone on the fone, I don't care who it is, buts she's trying to hand me the fone, and says its the mamasan (yeah right).

She keeps handing it it to me, so I grab it to hang it up as I do I see a foto on line of some 20 yo girls foto, her sister? Or GF?

So I boot out of my room and race back to the bar to get my 1000 BF returned before she gets there and spews sum BS lies.

By the time I finish telling the mamasan what happened she strolls back in, the mamasan asks her what happened gets the waitress.

And they tell me, pay "after" means pay after you leave the bar, I said what a bunch of bullshit, and they can tell I'm pissed.

So I mentioned she made sum shame fone call to mamasan in room but to her friend, she asks her if this is true.

And she says yes and the mamasan starts screaming at her, and says ok I give you your BF back but we don't have it, we have to wait for another BF so I had to sit there for at least another 30 minutes.

As she gives me the money she's being a ***** but I mention, I write on forums for guys that travel around to different bars.

She then changed her attitude and bowed and said write whatever you want about her but please don't name my bar!!

FUCK Rainbow 5.

Its the most fucked bar I've ever seen.

And I've mongered at scs all over the USA includ East STL and Metro Detroit.

It is the wild west of Nana.

No rules, putas shoot random ass crazy prices, there arent set prices.

Its like a bunch of freelancers.

Vaping on stage.

Vape in one hand fone in the other, or fone inside their bra whilst dancing, What in the Fuck.

Seems like the inmates are running the asylum! And its not good.

Yes last night it was about 75% asian to 25% round eyes.

The night before about 75% round eyes to 25%.

I haven't seen one Indian whatever that means.

These are sum seriously mercenary putas, you've been warned!!

The PUTAS number is #82.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2795359]Have an over-night stay in BKK before a flight to Vietnam early the next morning.

Hotel only 15 minutes from the airport, arriving early afternoon. So will have a few hours to kill. But not really interested in heading into town (feel that way now, but once I arrive plans / desires may change).[/QUOTE]While I was shortlisting ladies from FIWFANS I noticed some operate closer to BKK airport, then downtown. For me, that's not a good thing, but for you. It might be exactly what you need. Unfortunately there is no way (to my knowledge) to sort girls by exact location so it may take some time to find out which one would be an option.

If I come across one who's near the airport I'll send you a PM.

Got it.

To be honest I'd enjoy that hotel because it'd be a plane spotters dream. I'd dump my suitcase and get a taxi to tulip. And then back. Then enjoy the hotel and maybe see my luck on TF. But expect tourist prices.

No idea that way but I'm sure you can get a HJ or more at a local MP. But don't expect soi Nana.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2796248]Will be staying at the Siam Mandarina Hotel. Suvarnabhumi Airport and would prefer to monger near the hotel, as looks like I have to be at the airport around 4 am to meet the suggested 3 hours before boarding airport arrival.

Beer Garden / Bar or Soapy Massage place would work perfectly, if there are any recommended ones in the area.[/QUOTE]

Tried one of my massage places and found an absolute beauty after the second stop. This time, I didn't agree / pay unless I saw a girl I like. I used to feel weird saying no but now I just wear a mask which makes it easier to just leave without making much of an impression.

Anyways, this girl's face is a 10 all natural but her body is more of a 6 for me as she's too petite. She's not skinny but petite. Has a tight ass and tits. Nonetheless we had great chemistry and she gave me a sloppy BBBJ with deepthroath. It's nice to have real GFE sex but it's definitely rare and depends if the girl really likes you or not.

Q2: Any luck finding hot foreign SWs?

I tried to find some but they're expensive and profiles don't seem too legit. I met one Russian escort who wasn't the same but took her up as she had good attitude and natural body (massive tits LOL). She kissed me very passionately but didn't do BBBJ only CBJ.

Anywyas I'm missing some hot Caucasian blood. I guess grass is greener on the other side eh?

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796071]Not just in Thailand then. I've been witnessing that trend in many other Asian cities: Hong Kong (mainland Chinese), The Philippines especially AC (Chinese, but also Korean and Japanese). I recently came across a profile on FWIFANS requesting +500 B for "Euro and Indian". Well, now I know how it feels like. Good for them, I know. But it's a bummer.

For those who mongered in Shanghai and recall Manhattan, it used to be Western only, then. When it switched to mostly local Chinese. Ladies (mostly Vietnamese single moms on short term visas) would turn us down in the hope of scoring the local Chinese dude who was there with friends and had to show off by spending a lot of cash on the ladies, also probably too drunk to perform later. I hope the arrival of (more) sex tourists in Bangkok has not caused the same change of attitude. This is what I've heard happened at Thermae and I do not want to beg ladies to choose me (it should be the other way round, for heaven's sake! .[/QUOTE]The increased number of East Asian sex tourists has definitely made things less desirable for the Western man.

[QUOTE=LoyalJohn;2796346]
Anywyas I'm missing some hot Caucasian blood. I guess grass is greener on the other side eh?[/QUOTE]Go figure, I miss Asian blood. I'm neither tall nor large (even though I'm developing a dad bod). Still, I'm smaller and certainly shorter than most East European working ladies working in Europe. And sometimes even younger: DDD.

I need some younger blood. I also need to enter a lady's room and look "down" at her, not up. I want to lift her up, not having her potentially lift me up. You get the point.

And.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2796368]The increased number of East Asian sex tourists has definitely made things less desirable for the Western man.[/QUOTE]I think Asian punters tend to prefer taller ladies, with white skin and large boobs. Which normally leaves the petite, flat-chested dark-skinned beauties out of their range. But well within mine!

It's funny to read the reviews on FIWFANS of some Thai men who 'complain' that the lady they actually met was smaller and darker than they thought. For me, that's bingo!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2795968]
FUCK Rainbow 5.

Its the most fucked bar I've ever seen.

And I've mongered at scs all over the USA includ East STL and Metro Detroit.

It is the wild west of Nana.

No rules, putas shoot random ass crazy prices, there arent set prices.

Its like a bunch of freelancers.

Vaping on stage.

Vape in one hand fone in the other, or fone inside their bra whilst dancing, What in the Fuck.

Seems like the inmates are running the asylum! And its not good.

Yes last night it was about 75% asian to 25% round eyes.

The night before about 75% round eyes to 25%.

I haven't seen one Indian whatever that means.

These are sum seriously mercenary putas, you've been warned!!

The PUTAS number is #82.[/QUOTE]I have pretty much given up on Nana Plaza. I may go down to Soi 4 to check out the FLs or pick up a girl at Hillary 2. I saw a few cute FLs ther elast time. No stunners but some younger solid girl next door types. Haven't had a good experience at a Nana gogo in years.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796395]Go figure, I miss Asian blood. I'm neither tall nor large (even though I'm developing a dad bod). Still, I'm smaller and certainly shorter than most East European working ladies working in Europe. And sometimes even younger: DDD.

I need some younger blood. I also need to enter a lady's room and look "down" at her, not up. I want to lift her up, not having her potentially lift me up. You get the point.

And.

I think Asian punters tend to prefer taller ladies, with white skin and large boobs. Which normally leaves the petite, flat-chested dark-skinned beauties out of their range. But well within mine!

It's funny to read the reviews on FIWFANS of some Thai men who 'complain' that the lady they actually met was smaller and darker than they thought. For me, that's bingo![/QUOTE]Oh yes. I also prefer younger and smaller girls and not the middle aged + taller / bigger girls. I met one Russian day before. Paid 10 k for an hour but was older than pics. Just want to meet a younger Caucasian teen to play with hehe.

I'd check out different massage places until you find your type. That's what I'm doing now. It's free to just walk in and view them yourself. With ai powered photo editors, most of the photos are edited and doesn't represent the real deal.

Luckily this petite girl I met looks much hotter off pictures than in pictures. Maybe she's using filters when she needs to keeps things natural.

It's a shame so many want to edit photos regardless of good natural looks.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2796104]Sadly, the legendary Maggie's in Beijing is also gone. Glad I got to experience that place.

[/QUOTE]Not to hijack a thread, but the mention of Maggie's brings back great memories and a bit of sadness of times past. I met two or three spectacular "Northern Sisters" (Mongolian) in Maggies one of which still has to be top 5 all time "rental friend" material. Spent the better part of 4 days with that lady. (Not 24/7 for 4 days / nights) She was tall and leggy with great curves. One of the classiest, most feminine ladies I'd ever met when we were in public, but when the door closed it was all about making magic, and it didn't end until she said it ended. Chocolate was also interesting, but I was always afraid I would hit on some Russian dude's lady and wind up getting my face bashed in. Hard to tell the difference between P4 P gals and civilians. They all dressed and acted the same way.

Funny thing is, Manhattan at one time, circa 2008 (before it moved) was mostly Fils gals and packed to the ceiling with options. Only downside was the girls could be very jealous if you wanted to try someone new on your next visit. But there were some true smoke shows Filipina style. When they moved (circa 2010) it became Vietnam HQ, lots of really well dressed ladies, not as "I love you type" more mercenary, but still knew their way around the bedroom. They rarely blinked when you walked in and chose another girl, but most of the time they didn't wait around to see if you were going to be interested in seeing them again.

Great memories, it is different everywhere I go these days, Hong Kong is basically dead, Mainland China died in 2011/2012, but there are still places to enjoy, ladies to meet and I am always optimistic of meeting a great lady for a really fun time together, whether it be one hour or a few days. I for sure have changed what interests me.

I've had some enjoyable experiences in BKK in the last 6 months, and will see what lies ahead in Hua HIn later this month. I really want to visit Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos but wonder if there is a reason the fun gals I've met from those countries decided to travel away from home. Again, sorry for the off topic post.

I was walking around Soi 4 last night and must say that I am frequently amazed that most of these African girls do any trade at all. I had one grab me the night before from behind and blew her off, finally walking on Street so she could pass. My God, she was fat as the day is long, with frizzy wild hair and an attitude to boot as she made a negative comment to me when I encountered her again later. How can these women possibly be doing any business? And there are quite a few as I see them all over Suk. Not a pretty one in the bunch!

I did stop in to Hillary 2 for a bit. A few FL's in there, not to my specs, and random LB's playing pool who looked much tighter than the girls in there.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796395]Go figure, I miss Asian blood. I'm neither tall nor large (even though I'm developing a dad bod). Still, I'm smaller and certainly shorter than most East European working ladies working in Europe. And sometimes even younger: DDD.

I need some younger blood. I also need to enter a lady's room and look "down" at her, not up. I want to lift her up, not having her potentially lift me up. You get the point.

And.

I think Asian punters tend to prefer taller ladies, with white skin and large boobs. Which normally leaves the petite, flat-chested dark-skinned beauties out of their range. But well within mine!

It's funny to read the reviews on FIWFANS of some Thai men who 'complain' that the lady they actually met was smaller and darker than they thought. For me, that's bingo![/QUOTE]It's amazing how your eyes change after living here for a time. When I first moved here the darker Isaan gals were very attractive to me, now I definitely prefer the lighter skin more Chinese looking women. I'm also not a fan of the Isaan facial structure. I have no problem with a gal who is flat chested. Breasts are a place you spend a few seconds at on the way down to the more important bits.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2796532]Not to hijack a thread, but the mention of Maggie's brings back great memories and a bit of sadness of times past. I met two or three spectacular "Northern Sisters" (Mongolian) in Maggies one of which still has to be top 5 all time "rental friend" material. Spent the better part of 4 days with that lady. (Not 24/7 for 4 days / nights) She was tall and leggy with great curves. One of the classiest, most feminine ladies I'd ever met when we were in public, but when the door closed it was all about making magic, and it didn't end until she said it ended. Chocolate was also interesting, but I was always afraid I would hit on some Russian dude's lady and wind up getting my face bashed in. Hard to tell the difference between P4 P gals and civilians. They all dressed and acted the same way.

Funny thing is, Manhattan at one time, circa 2008 (before it moved) was mostly Fils gals and packed to the ceiling with options. Only downside was the girls could be very jealous if you wanted to try someone new on your next visit. But there were some true smoke shows Filipina style. When they moved (circa 2010) it became Vietnam HQ, lots of really well dressed ladies, not as "I love you type" more mercenary, but still knew their way around the bedroom. They rarely blinked when you walked in and chose another girl, but most of the time they didn't wait around to see if you were going to be interested in seeing them again.

Great memories, it is different everywhere I go these days, Hong Kong is basically dead, Mainland China died in 2011/2012, but there are still places to enjoy, ladies to meet and I am always optimistic of meeting a great lady for a really fun time together, whether it be one hour or a few days. I for sure have changed what interests me.

I've had some enjoyable experiences in BKK in the last 6 months, and will see what lies ahead in Hua HIn later this month. I really want to visit Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos but wonder if there is a reason the fun gals I've met from those countries decided to travel away from home. Again, sorry for the off topic post.[/QUOTE]Good luck in Hua Hin. Was there twice last year and enjoyed it both times. Like you I enjoyed Maggies and Manhattan a decade or so ago. But I think those kind of places are gone now and replaced by escort agencies and other on line sites. I did meet a Thai girl in Xiamen in 2018. Thought that was strange.

Yeah that would be most chocolate ladies on Soi. And yeah some of those fatass Nigerian mamas are like ayyy. Not enough tequila in entire soi to make me see that as good looking. But to each their own. Arabs might be into very curvy.

But! Outside Tavern a few weeks ago there was this Kenyan beauty which was ready to go just around the corner for a nice 2 hours. Beautiful figure, competitive to best lookers from Plaza, and whoa the cockpleasing skills.

Also, yesterday, another African who looked about 20 years old but unfortunately taken at the time I saw her with some totally confused looking guy who might not even have realized he hit the jackpot. Lost fuck walked her around unsure where to go and during all that I saw her get approached twice (3 if you count me), but brushed off offers because already taken. Stunner.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2796536]I was walking around Soi 4 last night and must say that I am frequently amazed that most of these African girls do any trade at all. I had one grab me the night before from behind and blew her off, finally walking on Street so she could pass. My God, she was fat as the day is long, with frizzy wild hair and an attitude to boot as she made a negative comment to me when I encountered her again later. How can these women possibly be doing any business? And there are quite a few as I see them all over Suk. Not a pretty one in the bunch!

I did stop in to Hillary 2 for a bit. A few FL's in there, not to my specs, and random LB's playing pool who looked much tighter than the girls in there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoyalJohn;2796483]Oh yes. I also prefer younger and smaller girls and not the middle aged + taller / bigger girls. I met one Russian day before. Paid 10 k for an hour but was older than pics. Just want to meet a younger Caucasian teen to play with hehe.

I'd check out different massage places until you find your type. That's what I'm doing now. It's free to just walk in and view them yourself. With ai powered photo editors, most of the photos are edited and doesn't represent the real deal.

Luckily this petite girl I met looks much hotter off pictures than in pictures. Maybe she's using filters when she needs to keeps things natural.

It's a shame so many want to edit photos regardless of good natural looks.[/QUOTE]I think local Thai men (and possibly Asian men in general) prefer taller, fair-skined girls, with larger boobs. So girls will lie and photoshop especially those traits. The faces are often photoshopped (or mod'ed with app filters) and look almost cartoonish at times but are often ok to foreigners as they look "exotic", but I've not been there so can't tell how they compare with their real faces.

However, by reading reviews on FIWFANS I get that often times people are disappointed, or anyway remark, how a girl's actual skin is darker, how her boobs are smaller and how chubby she is (even though their own photo of the girl on the review shows an almost anorexic girl). So I know that my reaction would be exactly the opposite as I like everything they're trying to hide. My last filipina "GF" was 140 cm and 39 kg and morena.

I've actually already given up on massage parlors because I was turned off by the look of the girls from the websites of those few parlors that have a website with a line up. Also, I've watched few youtube videos of people walking the streets of Bangkok and the look of girls usually waiting outside parlors isn't the best. But, if you say there are gems (to our eyes) to be had: I'll give it a try. Yes I am also shy to enter a parlor and leave without consuming after having seen the line up. Call me stupid, but I also feel sorry for the girls. So unless the LU is really bad, I'll usually try to spot anyone who passes, albeit by a very narrow margin, my criteria and go with her. I should man up. And use a mask to soften the impact.

[QUOTE=LoyalJohn;2796483]Oh yes. I also prefer younger and smaller girls and not the middle aged + taller / bigger girls. I met one Russian day before. Paid 10 k for an hour but was older than pics. Just want to meet a younger Caucasian teen to play with hehe[/QUOTE]If you pass by Germany I could help.

And wow - 10 k! Those are European prices. I'm planning on spending 10 k a day in Thailand. Bars + girls (2 x day. If I can make it + entertainment.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2796572]Good luck in Hua Hin. Was there twice last year and enjoyed it both times. Like you I enjoyed Maggies and Manhattan a decade or so ago. But I think those kind of places are gone now and replaced by escort agencies and other on line sites. I did meet a Thai girl in Xiamen in 2018. Thought that was strange.[/QUOTE]That's a trend everywhere. The main issue is that website = photoshoped photos. There should be a law against that.

Also, picking up a girl in a bar feels less transactional. I liked the feeling of preparing for going there, then being there and stepping in holding your breath as you wish one last time it will be a good night. Maybe the disappointment of seeing a girl you like either leave or already with someone else (in which case, you had to decide whether waiting to see if the transaction aborted or not). I'm not sure whether I like that game more, or the amazon-like shopping experience of escort website more.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2796572]Good luck in Hua Hin. Was there twice last year and enjoyed it both times. Like you I enjoyed Maggies and Manhattan a decade or so ago. But I think those kind of places are gone now and replaced by escort agencies and other on line sites. I did meet a Thai girl in Xiamen in 2018. Thought that was strange.[/QUOTE]I knew a few Thai girls in Xiamen, but they were all supposedly "legit" business. I know one for sure was, because I was the beneficiary of her kindness on a couple of occasions. I loved Xiamen. Lived there for 4 years, but the P4 P opportunities were not so easy to come by. I hung on to the ones I found with excellent results. It is a small world.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2796536]I was walking around Soi 4 last night and must say that I am frequently amazed that most of these African girls do any trade at all. I had one grab me the night before from behind and blew her off, finally walking on Street so she could pass. My God, she was fat as the day is long, with frizzy wild hair and an attitude to boot as she made a negative comment to me when I encountered her again later. How can these women possibly be doing any business? And there are quite a few as I see them all over Suk. Not a pretty one in the bunch!

I did stop in to Hillary 2 for a bit. A few FL's in there, not to my specs, and random LB's playing pool who looked much tighter than the girls in there.[/QUOTE]Because any business is good business for them since most of africa is REALLY poor. 2000 baht is a LOT when you're from rural Africa. They can stay 4+ girls to a super cheap room so basically only expense is food. Some punters like to experience something different after many thai girls in a row. They really only need to find a customer every few days for them to be sending money home each month.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796600]That's a trend everywhere. The main issue is that website = photoshoped photos. There should be a law against that.

Also, picking up a girl in a bar feels less transactional. I liked the feeling of preparing for going there, then being there and stepping in holding your breath as you wish one last time it will be a good night. Maybe the disappointment of seeing a girl you like either leave or already with someone else (in which case, you had to decide whether waiting to see if the transaction aborted or not). I'm not sure whether I like that game more, or the amazon-like shopping experience of escort website more.[/QUOTE]Some nights I love the hunt and prefer the bar scene. Other nights I may be time constrained or feeling introverted so I go the escort route. Depends on my mood.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2796634]Because any business is good business for them since most of africa is REALLY poor. 2000 baht is a LOT when you're from rural Africa. They can stay 4+ girls to a super cheap room so basically only expense is food. Some punters like to experience something different after many thai girls in a row. They really only need to find a customer every few days for them to be sending money home each month.[/QUOTE]The round trip flights from Africa are expensive so that needs to be paid off as well.

Banged two girls today. One morning in. Regular spa and another in outcall service. Both girls were great encounters.

Shop girl has a great butt, face and charming personality with good English. But saggy stomach and tits. She's slim but probably post a bunch of weight over the years. The outcall girl was super petite but looked like a stunner. I have a feeling she had a job done but nonetheless she had good features. Wasn't doing BBBJ like the other one but maybe just personal choice as the latter was worried about STIs.

Overall, I'm loving Massages vs night events as it's economical and girls go the extra mile. Spotted a stunner which I will check out tomorrow.

I'm interested in going to PIMP but not alone. So if anyone wants to hmu message me.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2796668]Some nights I love the hunt and prefer the bar scene. Other nights I may be time constrained or feeling introverted so I go the escort route. Depends on my mood.[/QUOTE]I never ever do escort websites unless there is no choice. Always almost the pics are photoshopped and the body shapes are misleading. Real downer when meeting in person and a waste of my time but your mileage may vary of course.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796600]The main issue is that website = photoshoped photos. [/QUOTE]True to some extent but you see this much more in Sideline, Smooci and Fiwfans than ThaiFriendly. Nowadays bars are posting their lineups on twitter, facebook, telegram and those pics are genuine.

Hi,

Not sure to post at the right place. Anyway here it is:

There used to be two places in BKK to get your balls and arse shaved (not waxed) : Barbers Friends on Sukhumvit soi 19 and at the barber shop inside Nana hotel (Sukhumvit soi 4).

Both these places closed a few years ago.

I am looking for a place in BKK to have a similar service.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Looking through the forums, it seems massage parlors are my best option. What about FLs? Are any of them out?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2795957]No it's not realistic in Bangkok, unless you are young, very handsome, polite, and speak the language quite well. Civilian Thai women are not too keen on middle-aged and old mongers hitting on them when they are trying to shop. It also reflects badly on us foreigners. 20 plus years ago this would have been more acceptable, but now it's definitely not. Confine your mongering activities to those who you are sure are on the game.[/QUOTE]Agree, it's not an option unless you fit that description. Thailand, and Bangkok in particular, is an upper middle income country and the economic advances, though still vastly uneven, have really take off in the last 15 years here. A young attractive Thai woman or even a Thai MILF would repel advances if out shopping. You might find them on Thai dating sites. But the whole mongering scene has changed over these years. The bar girls are fatter than ever, more covered in tats than ever, and asking more money than ever for poor service. Nana is full of LBs, Patpong shut down years ago, and Soi Cowboy is only mildly interesting. It's why other posters are noting the change in the bar and oily / soapy massage scene in the better establishments (I. E. Asian men now the preferred customer). One good thing for the Westerner men who live here in that intervening period, is that mixed marriages don't even get a second look anymore. No one assumes your Thai wife is / was a bar girl. That's encouraging.

[QUOTE=Mongoose312;2796993]True to some extent but you see this much more in Sideline, Smooci and Fiwfans than ThaiFriendly. Nowadays bars are posting their lineups on twitter, facebook, telegram and those pics are genuine.[/QUOTE]If you're talkign about WGs, they seem to all have some P.S. On their pics on TF. At least the ones that I saw. The first four visitors I had were not as attractive as their pics. So I started to look for the more avg looking ones and they seem to do less P.S. But a lot still adjust their skin tone.

But yea the ladies i saw from FF all had at least a little photoshop done to the images

There is a waxing place on Soi Sukhumvit 11 on the right hand side as you walk from Nana which does waxing. It is on the 1st floor There is a white sign saying waxing. Menu in doorway. Ring Bell and she will open the door. Clean friendly.

[QUOTE=Mongoose312;2796993]True to some extent but you see this much more in Sideline, Smooci and Fiwfans than ThaiFriendly. Nowadays bars are posting their lineups on twitter, facebook, telegram and those pics are genuine.[/QUOTE]Which bars?

Hey guys, so I'm planning a trip to Bangkok in July for 10 days. I'm mostly going to be getting a few Russian birds I find on Seeking website into my hotel room for the night (different girls every single night). Can you please suggest some good monger friendly hotels that will let me get the girls into my hotel room hassle free? I will be booking the room for 2 people.

I have shortlisted a few budget hotels like iSanook Bangkok, Lub the Bangkok Silom, Nasa Vegas Hotel, Rambuttri Village Inn & Plaza etc. I really like the looks of Rambuttri as it is close to city center and has great prices for my dates and I have already made a free reservation there. Has anyone stayed in Rambuttri? Is it monger friendly? Will hotel staff in the reception cause any issues when the girl passes the reception on the way to my room?

Alternatively, I am thinking of going to Airbnb's. Are Airbnb's good for mongering? Will the property owner have issues if I get multiple girls for the night during my stay?

Regards,

SC.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796600]picking up a girl in a bar feels less transactional. I liked the feeling of preparing for going there, then being there and stepping in holding your breath as you wish one last time it will be a good night. Maybe the disappointment of seeing a girl you like either leave or already with someone else (in which case, you had to decide whether waiting to see if the transaction aborted or not). [/QUOTE]Or wait for the transaction to be completed. Short time often lives up to its name these days, she might be back in the time it takes you to finish two beers.

For me, freelancers are the best, what you see is what you get, immediately, no bullshit. Unfortunately, the selection is downright horrifying now. I weep for the times when Sukhumvit was full of hundreds of genuinely attractive freelancers.

I hate online mongering. You do get the better quality and price, but browsing is a chore. When you do find a girl, maybe she (or her pimp) replies late or not at all, doesn't accept Farang or whatnot. I guess I do it the wrong way by setting my mind on one profile, rather than scatter-shoot messages and see who responds first. When mongering, I like to choose, rather than just aim for whatever happens to be available.

There used to be a great bar in 7/1 called Bangkok Beat. In addition to sometimes great music, it was heavily populated with free lancers of varying quality and performance. I never would recommend it to tourists mongerers out for a night on the town as results could vary widely from night to night but for longer term residents it could be a great place to pick up a thrill for the evening. Most of the girls in there were up for long time too.

This bar closed for good around 2017 and was converted to a pool hall as the French owner passed away. Part of the space also became a hotel.

But there were a lot of fun FL's in there during its heyday, plus no bar fine, inexpensive drinks, and you could actually chat with the girl beforehand assessing chemistry. Usually, all you had to do was buy one beer and by the end of the beer, you would know if you had a keeper or not. I think that I generally paid 1500 bt for short time and perhaps $2 k for LT. Those were the days my friends.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2797372]Or wait for the transaction to be completed. Short time often lives up to its name these days, she might be back in the time it takes you to finish two beers.

For me, freelancers are the best, what you see is what you get, immediately, no bullshit. Unfortunately, the selection is downright horrifying now. I weep for the times when Sukhumvit was full of hundreds of genuinely attractive freelancers.

I hate online mongering. You do get the better quality and price, but browsing is a chore. When you do find a girl, maybe she (or her pimp) replies late or not at all, doesn't accept Farang or whatnot. I guess I do it the wrong way by setting my mind on one profile, rather than scatter-shoot messages and see who responds first. When mongering, I like to choose, rather than just aim for whatever happens to be available.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2797372]Or wait for the transaction to be completed. Short time often lives up to its name these days, she might be back in the time it takes you to finish two beers.

For me, freelancers are the best, what you see is what you get, immediately, no bullshit. Unfortunately, the selection is downright horrifying now. I weep for the times when Sukhumvit was full of hundreds of genuinely attractive freelancers.

I hate online mongering. You do get the better quality and price, but browsing is a chore. When you do find a girl, maybe she (or her pimp) replies late or not at all, doesn't accept Farang or whatnot. I guess I do it the wrong way by setting my mind on one profile, rather than scatter-shoot messages and see who responds first. When mongering, I like to choose, rather than just aim for whatever happens to be available.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;2797115]Agree, it's not an option unless you fit that description. Thailand, and Bangkok in particular, is an upper middle income country and the economic advances, though still vastly uneven, have really take off in the last 15 years here. A young attractive Thai woman or even a Thai MILF would repel advances if out shopping. You might find them on Thai dating sites. But the whole mongering scene has changed over these years. The bar girls are fatter than ever, more covered in tats than ever, and asking more money than ever for poor service. Nana is full of LBs, Patpong shut down years ago, and Soi Cowboy is only mildly interesting. It's why other posters are noting the change in the bar and oily / soapy massage scene in the better establishments (I. E. Asian men now the preferred customer). One good thing for the Westerner men who live here in that intervening period, is that mixed marriages don't even get a second look anymore. No one assumes your Thai wife is / was a bar girl. That's encouraging.[/QUOTE]I should have received and read these two messages yesterday. Too late.

For some reason I thought fiwfan photos wouldn't be photoshopped a lot, bars full of jaw dropping ladies and thermae serving at least a few gorgeous lady. Report of first night in bkk coming in 5.

So my first day, and night, in Bangkok is over.

I was only able to get laid once and while it wasn't bad, it wasn't neither cheap nor easy or memorable.

My day started with an early checkin at an hotel in Silom with no reception and no security (for reason you can all imagine). In fact the day had started earlier with a rail link and BTS ride where I was impressed by quite a few civilian girls. Young, slim and with beautiful faces. I was getting pumped. If they are all like them, I'll have trouble keeping my cool.

After a much needed shower I started contacting a few profiles I had saved on FIWFANS. Oh by the way, many of the profiles I saved in the previous weeks had expired so that's a bummer, given the efforts I put into building a List of gorgeous petite good looking countryside girls.

OK it was a Sunday and 11 am but many girls should have had already started their day according to their profiles but none was answering. I panicked and started contacting 2nd tier ladies in my list. One (her handler of course) answered immediately.

In the meantime other girls replied but where either not available or available later in the day. And all were working from hotels which weren't that near.

I booked the one who had initially answered me and then jumped in a taxi. Damn Bangkok traffic. I arrived 30 minutes late but the handler was OK with it. She was free anyway.

I guess what I'm going to say is not going to surprise anyone but she was not the 8-9 as in the photos. More a 7. A good-looking teen-sized dark-skinned countryside girl who looked vaguely like "her" photos on the website. But she looked young and pretty enough though, and I do like the dark skin and countryside look that those people are trying so hard to hide so. I was OK with that.

She was shy at first, compared her wrist to my dick (her wrist lost that's how tiny these girls are) and was amazed by my body and facial hair. That was weird. I asked her if I was her first farang. I was, apparently. All thru Google translate from pasa Lao to English and back.

What I also love about these simple girls is that at first they are shy then when I get going and start eating them and fuck them they transform into horny beasts who don't want you to stop. They want it all, hard and long. Unfortunately I had saved a bit too much for this first trip and I did not last more than 10 minutes which is not an embarassing performace but def not what I wanted. I'm sure she noticed I came but she didnot want me to stop, which I didn't for while but at some point I had to. She was visibly upset, and me too.

The rest of our meeting was the usual cuddling in bed while talking via Google translate and showing photos of her village. I left a kind review on fiwfans because she was actually nice.

1,500 be for an hour plus 200 be for the two taxi rides.

Back to hotel, shower and some sightsighting and. Its night time and time for round two.

I rode the BTS to Asok and after a quick dinner at Isaan kitchen I walked to Thermae and was really disappointed. I mean there is nothing there to do other than look at the line up. And yesterday at 9 pm the line up looked very disappointing. I did not see any of the good looking girls on the YT videos. 7's at best. Actually there were a few nice ones but not as petite as I like them so I passed. At least a drink is less than 100 be and you can make it last asmuch as you want.

I went to billboard at Nana and I was impressed by the variety and quality, and I was not pressured to buy lady drinks or call lady even once. But. When you go alone they tend to sit you with other single men which is a bit awkward even though I understand. I spotted a few girls I really did like but left to explore other venue just to compare, which turned out a bad idea.

I walked back to Asok to checkout Soi Cowboy. Freelancers dotted the strip almost all the way from NaNa to Soi Cowboy and some were 8-9's but that feeling of hooking up with a LD only yo find out she is a he in a short time hotel room made me decide to pass.

Here I have a question: should I try to talk to one these ladies? I am thinking, maybe if I ask if they are real ladies and, if they reply they are, I tell them: sorry I like ladyboys and pretend to leave. I guess that if they are in fact LBs they will stop me and come clean to me (in which case I'd leave for real.

Soi Cowboy looked good. I tried Baccara and unfortunately the ground floor stage was depressing to say the least. I understand some people like different kinds of girls but those were short and fat. And I was pestered from the moment I sat down. Ugly girls sat next to me and asked for drinks. I left after 10 minutes without even drinking all my glass. I would say one more thing about Baccara. I don't like their uniforms: that tubular outfit covers the girls hip and it's difficult to understand whose got a nice figure and who's not. On the other hand, Billboard's uniforms are revealing and very sexy.

Back to Nana. It's now almost 1 am and Bars curtains are open to entice people in for a last hurray. This is also the time door girls would go and sit down with you if you like. And door girls are usually pretty, for obvious reasons.

I went into random and there was only one girl I liked but she was hot so I asked her to join me. She was drunk by then and difficult to talk with but I liked her so I asked her out but she said she had her period. After 30 minutes and few lady drinks she changed her mind but me too. StereoTypical bar girl: her story changed all the time and she tried to make me buy drinks for the whole bar (which I managed to avoid). I paid the 900 be bill and left at 2 am without a date.

By the way she quoted 1000 bar fine and 3000 fee for short time, she wouldn't do LT because her mother is sick. Maybe. But I think its BS. She said one tomorrow at 9 I spend 4 hours with you. But I think its another BS and its not like she is the only hot girl in Bangkok so I'll pass.

I am slightly disappointed but I think my expectations were too high. I think there is fun to be had and not be afraid to settle for a 8 just because there may be a perfect 10 somewhere else. But I've been telling me this for ages.

Let's see tomorrow.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2797461]So my first day, and night, in Bangkok is over.[/QUOTE]Would not really recommend using fiwfans, it's just scam waiting to happen. It's just mostly over edited photo, what happened with me was the girl was probably an absolute 9 in photos but when I reached she was more like a 3 or 4.

In Nana plaza you can try Billboard and Butterfly, both are decent and not too pushy (700 bar fine and 3000ST at both places). However, best experience I got was obviously with a freelancer, got one for 2 k LT she stayed the whole night, was fun to talk to english was great. She offered anal on her own as she could see I was having a tough time cumming with just normal PIV. Should definitely go for freelancers from tinder or thaifriendly.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2797461]I walked to Thermae and was really disappointed. I mean there is nothing there to do other than look at the line up. And yesterday at 9 pm the line up looked very disappointing. I did not see any of the good looking girls on the YT videos. 7's at best. Actually there were a few nice ones but not as petite as I like them so I passed. At least a drink is less than 100 be and you can make it last asmuch as you want.[/QUOTE]There are many nights at Thermae where it isn't very good but give yourself the best odds of it being the best by going between Wednesday and Saturday. Sunday nights can be very slow. I understand it was your first night in BKK and you wanted to check out Thermae.

I had mentioned I try going to Thermae when it opens. Yes not too many girls there but you see girls when they come in and you can grab the exact one that appeals to you. These days you can't snooze thinking someone better is coming in soon. Then grab a second girl around 10 pm. At 9 pm keep in mind that every single girl who was picked up between 8 and 9 pm would not be in the bar and may not be returning until 9:30 to 10:30 pm. So if I can't make it at 8 pm I will go at 10 pm after hitting a few gogo bars. Some of the best Thermae girls I ever met don't even start til 10 pm. After around 11 pm it is rare to find a top Thermae girl in the bar. Most of the ones there are the ones who have been standing there all night.

Someone who lives in BKK can correct me if post COVID has changed the Thermae cycle but I found my timelines still intact when I was last there in October and November.

[QUOTE=SeductiveChip;2797271]Hey guys, so I'm planning a trip to Bangkok in July for 10 days. I'm mostly going to be getting a few Russian birds I find on Seeking website into my hotel room for the night (different girls every single night). Can you please suggest some good monger friendly hotels that will let me get the girls into my hotel room hassle free? I will be booking the room for 2 people.[/QUOTE]Any hotel in Thailand are monger friendly (in your words) if you book for two.

[QUOTE=SeductiveChip;2797271]I have shortlisted a few budget hotels like iSanook Bangkok, Lub the Bangkok Silom, Nasa Vegas Hotel, Rambuttri Village Inn & Plaza etc. I really like the looks of Rambuttri as it is close to city center and has great prices for my dates and I have already made a free reservation there. Has anyone stayed in Rambuttri? Is it monger friendly? Will hotel staff in the reception cause any issues when the girl passes the reception on the way to my room?[/QUOTE]None of your mentioned hotels near to the action area. For convenience choose hotel near or inside the action area. You need to study more.

[QUOTE=SeductiveChip;2797271]Alternatively, I am thinking of going to Airbnb's. Are Airbnb's good for mongering? Will the property owner have issues if I get multiple girls for the night during my stay?[/QUOTE]Never experienced with Air Bnb. But no doubt would be girls friendly.

[QUOTE=SeductiveChip;2797271]Hey guys, so I'm planning a trip to Bangkok in July for 10 days. I'm mostly going to be getting a few Russian birds I find on Seeking website into my hotel room for the night (different girls every single night). Can you please suggest some good monger friendly hotels that will let me get the girls into my hotel room hassle free? I will be booking the room for 2 people.

I have shortlisted a few budget hotels like iSanook Bangkok, Lub the Bangkok Silom, Nasa Vegas Hotel, Rambuttri Village Inn & Plaza etc. I really like the looks of Rambuttri as it is close to city center and has great prices for my dates and I have already made a free reservation there. Has anyone stayed in Rambuttri? Is it monger friendly? Will hotel staff in the reception cause any issues when the girl passes the reception on the way to my room?

Alternatively, I am thinking of going to Airbnb's. Are Airbnb's good for mongering? Will the property owner have issues if I get multiple girls for the night during my stay?

Regards,

SC.[/QUOTE]Russian birds and budget hotels. OK.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2797500]There are many nights at Thermae where it isn't very good but give yourself the best odds of it being the best by going between Wednesday and Saturday. Sunday nights can be very slow. I understand it was your first night in BKK and you wanted to check out Thermae.

I had mentioned I try going to Thermae when it opens. Yes not too many girls there but you see girls when they come in and you can grab the exact one that appeals to you. These days you can't snooze thinking someone better is coming in soon. Then grab a second girl around 10 pm. At 9 pm keep in mind that every single girl who was picked up between 8 and 9 pm would not be in the bar and may not be returning until 9:30 to 10:30 pm. So if I can't make it at 8 pm I will go at 10 pm after hitting a few gogo bars. Some of the best Thermae girls I ever met don't even start til 10 pm. After around 11 pm it is rare to find a top Thermae girl in the bar. Most of the ones there are the ones who have been standing there all night.

Someone who lives in BKK can correct me if post COVID has changed the Thermae cycle but I found my timelines still intact when I was last there in October and November.[/QUOTE]Your timeline is spot on. I go around 10 myself after a few go gos.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2797529]Any hotel in Thailand are monger friendly (in your words) if you book for two.

None of your mentioned hotels near to the action area. For convenience choose hotel near or inside the action area. You need to study more.

Never experienced with Air Bnb. But no doubt would be girls friendly.[/QUOTE]Hey there,

Thanks for your response. Can you please recommend some good hotels in the action area? Also can you please mention the action areas? You can also feel free to DM me. I have private message enabled.

Regards,

SC.

[QUOTE=SeductiveChip;2797589]Hey there,

Thanks for your response. Can you please recommend some good hotels in the action area? Also can you please mention the action areas? You can also feel free to DM me. I have private message enabled.

Regards,

SC.[/QUOTE]Action area would be Sukhumvit, you can take any hotel that's near to Nana plaza, thermae cafe and soi cowboy. There are a lot of massage parlours as well to choose from in Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=SeductiveChip;2797589] Can you please recommend some good hotels in the action area? Also can you please mention the action areas?[/QUOTE]Sofitel, Hyatt Regency Bangkok, Grande Centre Pointe, Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit. The Landmark, Pullman, JW Marriot.

Action areas? Clearly you haven't read this forum at all but along Sukhumvit between Nana and Phrom Phong. Silom Road area with Thaniya Road and Patpong.

[QUOTE=ScoreMammoth;2797709]Action area would be Sukhumvit, you can take any hotel that's near to Nana plaza, thermae cafe and soi cowboy. There are a lot of massage parlours as well to choose from in Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for your responses. Will keep these in mind.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2797722]Sofitel, Hyatt Regency Bangkok, Grande Centre Pointe, Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit. The Landmark, Pullman, JW Marriot.

Action areas? Clearly you haven't read this forum at all but along Sukhumvit between Nana and Phrom Phong. Silom Road area with Thaniya Road and Patpong.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I'm still new to the forum. Also thanks for your hotel suggestions.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2796395]I think Asian punters tend to prefer taller ladies, with white skin and large boobs. Which normally leaves the petite, flat-chested dark-skinned beauties out of their range. [/QUOTE]Many, many east asian tourists are out looking for the Japanese Kawaii look or Chinese looking girls and of course there are plenty of girls and places in BKK that specifically cater to that. East Asian tourists have an awkward reputation as being bad in bed, awkward people, but willing to way overspend for even non-sex attention compared to western tourists. There's also even more of a "get hookers" vibe with many east asians than there are with westerners, who are also tehre to party, have fun, sightsee, etc. East asians tend to not really go and party or be fun. This is overly broad, but gives a rough idea that these groups are often seen pretty starkly different by thai girls and establishments.

[QUOTE=Monsoony;2797085]Looking through the forums, it seems massage parlors are my best option. What about FLs? Are any of them out?[/QUOTE]Many MPs and BJ bars open at 11, though that's when the girls are just arriving and trickling in so some people, including me think its not great before noon, but doable if you need to. FLs, I mean, I'm sure there's a few hanging around then on Sukhumvit or Soi 4.

Does anyone have their favorite YouTube, Telegram, etc. Feed they are are able to share with the group? Or does it not really matter and there isn't much to be gained?

I think I've been unlucky on my first day. That and my lack of experience here.

On my second and third day It was overall ok, even though I have only anaged two rounds in two days.

My second lady from FIWFANS was actually quite nice. Her face on the website was partially covered but the handler sent me her full and unedited photos and I didn't even had to ask. 100% Girl next door type. She was wearing a high school uniform in those photos (and when she opened the door) and it was so sexy. She told me she was 21 and I believe her, but then again most Asian girls look a lot younger to my western eyes. Only her complection was slightly darker but as you know by know that is even better for me so they haven't fooled me with that. Like the other girl the day before, she played very shy initially, kept making comments about the size of my dick but once we got to the bed and started playing she seemed to enjoy it. Maybe it was just an act but they put certainly more efforts than many working girls I've been in Europe making us believe we're giving them the time of their life. As I lasted way more than on my first day, maybe there's some truth to thos statement.

She had breaces and refused to kiss, and now that I think about it I didn't feel those braces when she gave me a blowjob. I said she was was good and she was.

Overall worth 1,500 be + the 1 h taxi ride to her remote Bang Na hotel!

Back to Bangkok proper and after getting some work done I was ready for round two, and decided to try Thermae again.

Tha night Thermae was boasting. Full of top notch girls, but also full of guys. I stayed quite a while. In fact, too much. I had a really bad about of the greener-grass bug and I saw one cute (to my eyes) girl go out with a customer one after the other. It was intersting seeing many coming back after less than a hour though. I sat for the most part on the chairs at the back of the bar and I had the feeling I saw some of you there. I mean, middle aged western guys who came in, looked like they knew exactly what they wanted, stayed just enough to scan the area (but withouth walking around and browsing and choosing the girls like apples at the market like some do there), and left with a girl of their choosing.

I finally decided to enjoy the view for now and to stay till almost closing time, hoping to get a LT for the price of a short time, or a decent price anyway. By that time there were few girls left, and even fewer I liked. And none of those offered LT (till 5 am, and it was almost 2 am) for less than 6 k if at all. I left empty handed but it was ok.

Next day I tried to get another FIW girl during the day but all those I messaged either didn't respond, where too far away (I had back to back meetings and a dinner with a client so I only had time for a 30 min quicky not far away) or their ad on FIW had expired (and I had no time to browse the entire site again to find alternatives). Whatever, I had stuff to do and enoyed some shopping in the Siam area instead. I didn't chat with normal girls there but gosh there were plenty who were really really cute.

So that day I didn't manage a lady in the morning, and since I passed one the previous night as well, I could not go to sleep with a fully loaded mag still in my gun.

I started with Thermae. At 10 pm it was packed with both guys and girls. Some girls were the trashy type (no disrespect intended) and I wanted to try one such lady for an extended session. At 11 pm I decided myself to approach those I shortlisted and offered LT but I got refused. And after the second refusal, I think the word spread because the others who were in the "same group" shook their head as soon as I approached them. It's a weird feeling to be rejected by working girls but I should have not insisted and can't blame them. They are there to make money, not to play games.

Lucky there were plenty to choose from "other groups", but I nevertheless headed instead to Nana.

Choose butterfly and it had all 7+ girls with many 9-10's. I needed some cheering up so I chose two very pretty girls and spent 1 h or maybe more at the table with them. Weird to be dry fucked in front of everyone but hey, I had to try that. I asked one of the two girls to come back to the hotel with me. She refused: she doesn't do barfines but her friend does. I chose her because she was cute and her English was surprisingly good. Her friend couldn't even understand "how old are you" and although she was smiling and pretty, I passed and went back to Thermae. I have to add that she proposed to come with me and "watch me do her friend" while acting as translator. Since I still had to pay her barfine + fee. At 7. 2 k that was an expensive proposition.

When I got to Thermae, it was now 1:30 am and definetely a "now or never" moment. Few girls were left but there was basically no competition. I asked LT one more time, but was offered the same 6 k deal till 5 am again and I stopped asking before being labelled again as a no-go. Quickly scanned the area, choose a petite girl wearing a simple dress and almost no make up and off we went. She spoke some English but tried hard to make small talk anyway. Joyful, cheerful bubbly personality in a very very small frame. She didn't look the hottest but she was cute as a bunny, and I don't know why I didn't see her during my previous visits (she said she spent the whole night there with no customers, and I was her first and only for the night, but that's what customers want to hear so maybe that's also not entirely accurate. Who knows).

But she was extremely fun to be with. I even decided to bring her to my hotel, which I don't normally want to do for security reasons.

She kissed (no braces), but preferred not too. Said how big I was (that's not new). She also said she was 30 and wow was I surprised. She looked early 20's to me. I told her and she most probably assumed it was a guy lie but I can tell you it was true. Anyway we had a great session even though she seemed more in pain than enjoying it. Who knows maybe I am really too big for these tiny Thai girls.

Then we cuddled and chatted for 30 minutes or so. At 4 am I had to sleep in order to function the next day (or rather in a few hours). We kissed good bye, she walked out by herself even though I proposed to walk with her down. She gave me her LINE ID and I may use it again. She said she lives with her parents and works as a sales person.

On the one hand, I want to fuck all possible top girls I can find, on the other hand, I know I can go back to a good one and have a good experience. That's a tough choice! Will see what my dicks decides for me these next days.

Speaking of he next days, the first three days weren't bad but also not as productive as I'd wanted them to be. Got to make good use of these next four days.

I think massage parlors could now be an option, but I need to browse again the forum to understand where I can find a few next to each other so I can browse the LU till I find the small-frame cutie I'm looking for. Or if someone here can freshen my memory and reply me with that answer. I'll be thankful.

Having a bit of a bittersweet moment ans wanted to share.

Went to butterflies and met and extremely cute / hot girl. She was 24,looked mixed Colombian and an amazing model bod with not a scratch on her. Quite rare IMO. Paid the LT fee (7 k) and we had a great time partying with her friends and even going to khao san for some balloons. Came back to my place at 5 am.

Had some crazy sex, got bbj, kissing and everything you'd get with your GF. Did it without condom after a bit as well. After chatting with her, I felt comfortable enough for the former. But I wouldn't recommend it.

We slept till 1. And til 3 pm. We watched some Netflix got food, etc. Was quite refreshing to have a GF for a day. But unfortunately, she ended up catching feels the next day's and was being a little emotional as I shared I'm with another girl.

She didn't want any money and wanted to come over after work. But I just couldn't do it. Felt like it was turning into something more and didn't want that right now.

So, I'm learning you can meet a great girl and have a great experience. But there's a high chance, you'll hurt the girl as she'll miss you a ton the next day. And you might be onto the next girl.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2798016]Many MPs and BJ bars open at 11, though that's when the girls are just arriving and trickling in so some people, including me think its not great before noon, but doable if you need to. FLs, I mean, I'm sure there's a few hanging around then on Sukhumvit or Soi 4.[/QUOTE]I like skhmvit soi 2 for early morning handies and even FS if you so fancy. Fun fact. Learned about this one early morning just after dropping off a sample for docs in Bumrungrad. Left an MP around 8 am with a big smile and a spring in my step.

Sure, not best lookers but hey. For a nice quick cum in early hours even before coffee, can't beat the deal.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2798192]I think I've been unlucky on my first day. That and my lack of experience here.

I think massage parlors could now be an option, but I need to browse again the forum to understand where I can find a few next to each other so I can browse the LU till I find the small-frame cutie I'm looking for. Or if someone here can freshen my memory and reply me with that answer. I'll be thankful.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for these great reports. I visited long time ago a nightclub in the intercontinental hotel. There are some freelancers.

Just recovering from string of nights partying and then hitting the bar. Last night, went to nana and to different clubs. Some were definitely very pushy but didn't give in and just bought a drink and sat down bird watching.

Ended up going top floor next to rainbow and saw a ton of hot girls. I bought two girls drinks. They were friends and ended up taking on of them home for 8 k total and then got her friend to join us for 4. 5 k. This girl surprisingly had a nice car, so we drove around and went to a club where she invited bunch of her girlfriends. Was nice to party with 5 gorgeous girls, her friends were down to play and touch as well. Paid 4 k for the bottle and chasers.

Then came home and had amazing sex with the two of them. They didn't kiss each other and just seemed into me which is a bit of a let down. But were very passionate lovers and performed well. Not to mention, they both had amazing bodies and were under 25 for sure.

They didn't stay over which is what I wanted but would've been nice to have a couple of fucks in the morning. But I got their line and car girl seems very chatty and into me. Perhaps I'll go out with her again.

That said, I'm starting to get tired of bar girl scene as it fucks up my daily routine I. E gym etc. So I'm thinking massage girls in the day is a much better option for me.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2798378]I like skhmvit soi 2 for early morning handies and even FS if you so fancy. Fun fact. Learned about this one early morning just after dropping off a sample for docs in Bumrungrad. Left an MP around 8 am with a big smile and a spring in my step.

Sure, not best lookers but hey. For a nice quick cum in early hours even before coffee, can't beat the deal.[/QUOTE]I think you're mistaken about the number of the Soi but I think I know the area you are talking about.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2798378]I like skhmvit soi 2 for early morning handies and even FS if you so fancy. Fun fact. Learned about this one early morning just after dropping off a sample for docs in Bumrungrad. Left an MP around 8 am with a big smile and a spring in my step.

Sure, not best lookers but hey. For a nice quick cum in early hours even before coffee, can't beat the deal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2798582]I think you're mistaken about the number of the Soi but I think I know the area you are talking about.[/QUOTE]I think its Soi 1, not Soi 2 if it is about Bamrungrad Hospital. The front of the hospital faced to Soi 3, and the back side faced to Soi 1. Soi 2 is opposite side of the Sukhumvit road. One should know all even Soi numbers are all along the Bamrungrad side till the last end of Sukhumvit road and odd numbers are Nana Plaza side.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2798586]I think its Soi 1, not Soi 2 if it is about Bamrungrad Hospital. The front of the hospital faced to Soi 3, and the back side faced to Soi 1. Soi 2 is opposite side of the Sukhumvit road. One should know all even Soi numbers are all along the Bamrungrad side till the last end of Sukhumvit road and odd numbers are Nana Plaza side.[/QUOTE]Since Nana Plaza is on Soi 4, it's the opposite of what you said.

So I am back in Thailand, after visiting for the first time in November, but this time I have a non mongering travel partner who wanted to get a twin room (could not get out of it, long story), so go gos, bars etc are out as my movements etc would be noted, I generally have an hour or two at the most.

Day 1. Ducked out at 8 pm, had a short window and decided on 7 heaven, while it is on the pricey side 1300 baht for 40 minutes, I'd had good service last time. I rocked up, No one waiting but only 3 girls available. Of the 3, "New" looked good, I was a little confused at first, was she new or New, anyway turned out she had been working there a couple months, looked good in person, at least to my eye, nice body, wide mouth and natural plump lips, not much English but enough for a little banter, went through the standard prep, then the main event, she definitely had skill. Only lasted 15 minutes, so she finished out the time with a soft massage. A nice quick session to start of the trip.

Day 3. Early afternoon, had an hour or 2 without other commitments thought to try tulip after reading about it on here, but got confused as to the stop, and got off at Phrom Phong, realised my mistake after a few minutes of confused searching, could not be bothered going back and remembered Don Quioxte was nearby, and was recommended to me so headed over.

Appeared a bit busy, three young Koreans in front of me which only left 2 girls one of which was be be, the pick on the iPad was ok, but I found her much more appealing in person, very affectionate, cuddling on to me, nice slim body with a few tattoos including a big one across her stomach, possibly hiding baby damage, but that's never bothered me.

Service was very GFE, wash off over the tub, then onto the bed, decent BJ, then onto her back for missionary, light French kissing was fine, first girl I have been with in Thailand that allowed more than pecks. Took it nice and slow, finally finished in doggy, she was soft in all the right places.

She then proceeded with a massage and told me she had been to massage school when younger and remembered most things, and she was good, she told me she had come to work at don Quixote for 20 days then was goin back home, she was 10 days in when I saw her.

We had a quick rush to the tub as time was running short, she did tell me she forgot the timer earlier and the mamasan fines her for going over.

Really happy with this session, up there with the best, gave her tip, she wanted me to tell the mamasan that she gave good service, was very important to her, she asked me 5-6 times.

WIR: yes if she is still there in future.

Cost: 2900 inc tip.

Day 4: I had about an HR early evening and was near Aya massage, though to check it out, only one guy choosing ahead of me and when he got the lineup 6 girls, his choice would not have been mine which just shows beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There was a slightly plump girl flashing me smiles who looked like she might be fun, I tend to go for slim, but thought about someone different. But was not to be, there was no room at the inn with about a 20 min wait. So I walked. (Possibly a lucky break per other recent reports).

Remembered the kokoro was round the corner, and rather than messaging for who was free, just went round hoping a past favorite was free. But no. There was no one waiting, but also not much option and the girl on reception proffered pingky who was new, not quite my type, but not unattractive also, and my time was running short so I jumped in for an account massage.

So we start off on the split seat for a wash, but minimal body to body and no rimming, unsure if that is standard with the AV, so not a good start.

We dry off, and she changes onto a bunny costume, pretty cute, runs through some poses then comes to the bed and starts BJ, which is just OK, she then offers 69, which is new, another first, so we go at it for a while before my tongue gets tired, then we run the standard positions and I finish.

Clean up then back downstairs. Not chit chat and only a few words, I was not sure if she was deaf, when she did speak it had that similar cadence.

WIR: No or maybe much later when she has more experience.

Cost 2900.

Day 5. Visit Tulip take 2. This time I get off at the correct stop, it's about 6 pm and I walk into the shop, no other customers but a few ladies lounging, reports are correct they are not the best looking, but also not the worst I have seen either, but I am here for the experience.

Head to the desk, choose 1.5 HR, before a lineup can be called, I start asking about names I have read about. Ying, no on holiday, Golf, shuffles paper, yes, calls out and she appears, I am happy, not my normal look but really compared to some others pretty good.

Up to the room, and again it's as described, pretty basic and a bit seedy, but service was as described, PSE. After shower, on the bed with a long BBBJ and DT, then some serious rimming, on with a condom and then cowgirl, missionary, doggy.

Was getting a bit tired so lay back and got a handy for a while, before I asked to fuck her ass, it's one of the main reasons I was there after all, she went off to prepare and when she returned another BJ then presented her ass after some time I was still not done but pretty tired so lay back and got a handy with a balls and perineum massage and eventually finished. After a quick cleanup got a full body massage then shower and out, full time used no skimping.

Definitely worth the experience, not a regular thing, but when you are feeling a little dirty it hits the spot.

WIR: Yes probably, would maybe like to try other providers too.

Cost: 2100.

I left Bangkok today, on to Pattaya will report on that later.

UphillJimmy.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2798586]I think its Soi 1, not Soi 2 if it is about Bamrungrad Hospital. The front of the hospital faced to Soi 3, and the back side faced to Soi 1. Soi 2 is opposite side of the Sukhumvit road. One should know all even Soi numbers are all along the Bamrungrad side till the last end of Sukhumvit road and odd numbers are Nana Plaza side.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2798647]Since Nana Plaza is on Soi 4, it's the opposite of what you said.[/QUOTE]My mistake, apology. The correct one is: One should know all ODD Soi numbers are all along the Bamrungrad Hospital side till the last end of Sukhumvit road and all even numbers are Nana Plaza side.

It is off the hook. This is my 8th trip to Thailand and I have never seen so many Streetwalkers / Freelancers. Back in NOV the numbers were half pre Covid. Now on a Wednesday night at 2 am, it was twice pre Covid if not more than I have ever seen before. AT 3:45am, there were still tons and tons of streetwalkers. Pre-Covid, they were all gone by that time. All varieties. Stunners, not so stunning, Milfs, twenties, Africans, the whole range. Got quoted 1 k-2 k by most. 2 k near Thermae and 1 k around Nana. I made a deal for video boom boom for 1 k. I opted for just a video BJ when we got to the short time room. It makes the street girls feel like they are getting a better deal and they perform to get it done. These days, I like to video all of my interactions.

Anyone know the number of any fun African woman? The few conversations I had, didn't leave me feeling as though I was going to get what I want / negotiate when I got back to the room. Pre covid, I knew a bunch. Now I don't get a good vibe when I negotiate.

[B]Also Looking for a Pregant Thai.[/B] Anyone know of someone?

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2798943][B]Also Looking for a Pregant Thai.[/B] Anyone know of someone?[/QUOTE]An agency I use in Mexico recently had a pregnant girl on their roster. I wanted to make a trip just to see her but when I discovered she is short at 4'10" I lost interest.

Are you familiar with Milk Clubs in Tokyo?

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2798943]This is my 8th trip to Thailand and I have never seen so many Streetwalkers / Freelancers. [/QUOTE]I walked from Nana to Soi Cowboy last night (about 10 pm) and there were a lot more girls on the street compared to my last visit in October. Several very nice looking girls outside Thermae.

When I walked past Soi 11 there were 2 indian guys trying to agree a deal with a lady. I walked up around Soi Cowboy and when I got back to Soil 11 they were still there haggling about the price.

Met a nice girl on TF. Tits a bit smaller than average but firm and nice shape. Service was very good and she was happy for me to fuck her mouth without gagging. Finished by coming on her face.

So here's the problem. She contacted me by Line and asked if I would like to meet again. I said maybe if you let me fuck you in your bum hole. She said she was vigin there (take that with a pinch of salt) but was happy to let me try. So the question is where can I find some anal lube to make penetration easier? There don't appear to be any sex shops in Bangkok, and I didn't see anything on the stalls along Sukhumvit last night. I don't want to ask one of the stallholders as they would probably tell you everything they have is perfect for the job.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2799073]Met a nice girl on TF. Tits a bit smaller than average but firm and nice shape. Service was very good and she was happy for me to fuck her mouth without gagging. Finished by coming on her face.

So here's the problem. She contacted me by Line and asked if I would like to meet again. I said maybe if you let me fuck you in your bum hole. She said she was vigin there (take that with a pinch of salt) but was happy to let me try. So the question is where can I find some anal lube to make penetration easier? There don't appear to be any sex shops in Bangkok, and I didn't see anything on the stalls along Sukhumvit last night. I don't want to ask one of the stallholders as they would probably tell you everything they have is perfect for the job.[/QUOTE]KY Gel, it was been used for dry vagina, might be it will work for back door too. I never tried for anal (because not my cup of tea).

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2799073]Met a nice girl on TF. Tits a bit smaller than average but firm and nice shape. Service was very good and she was happy for me to fuck her mouth without gagging. Finished by coming on her face.

So here's the problem. She contacted me by Line and asked if I would like to meet again. I said maybe if you let me fuck you in your bum hole. She said she was vigin there (take that with a pinch of salt) but was happy to let me try. So the question is where can I find some anal lube to make penetration easier? There don't appear to be any sex shops in Bangkok, and I didn't see anything on the stalls along Sukhumvit last night. I don't want to ask one of the stallholders as they would probably tell you everything they have is perfect for the job.[/QUOTE]Just go into any small pharmacy, 7/11 or Boots. They all have it out in the open.

Just any 7/11 store will have a durex lube.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2799073]Met a nice girl on TF. Tits a bit smaller than average but firm and nice shape. Service was very good and she was happy for me to fuck her mouth without gagging. Finished by coming on her face.

So here's the problem. She contacted me by Line and asked if I would like to meet again. I said maybe if you let me fuck you in your bum hole. She said she was vigin there (take that with a pinch of salt) but was happy to let me try. So the question is where can I find some anal lube to make penetration easier? There don't appear to be any sex shops in Bangkok, and I didn't see anything on the stalls along Sukhumvit last night. I don't want to ask one of the stallholders as they would probably tell you everything they have is perfect for the job.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2799073]Met a nice girl on TF. Tits a bit smaller than average but firm and nice shape. Service was very good and she was happy for me to fuck her mouth without gagging. Finished by coming on her face.

So here's the problem. She contacted me by Line and asked if I would like to meet again. I said maybe if you let me fuck you in your bum hole. She said she was vigin there (take that with a pinch of salt) but was happy to let me try. So the question is where can I find some anal lube to make penetration easier? There don't appear to be any sex shops in Bangkok, and I didn't see anything on the stalls along Sukhumvit last night. I don't want to ask one of the stallholders as they would probably tell you everything they have is perfect for the job.[/QUOTE]Saliva works fine.

Coconut massage oil as well, readily available.

And durex or other brand lube is available at the displays near every checkout register in 7 Elevens and Family Marts.

SOI OOPS.

Well well gents, focusing on soi numbers vs morning handies ayayay haha. Indeed my bad, soi 1 and to remove any doubt, get off ploenchit BTS on left side (closer to Bumrungrad side), keep walking in direction as train woudl continue, pass highway, take soi first left and walk up, around midway there's a massage place where there's usually at least 1 lady smiling to work ealrly hours. Turned out to be Lao but quite eager to please.

FIWFANS.

In other news, recently had my first fiwfans experience. Felt the itch one evening around 10:30 pm, fiwfans browsing with google translate on and lots of fumbling with advanced search later for location (I can't be arsed anymore to travel far for pussy) and as it turns out nearby serviced apartments near Sanam Pao BTS host 2 nice looking ladies with their handler speaking decent english too - [URL]https://fiwfans.com/agency/Idollgirl191.[/URL].

Not much to write home about but lady looked indeed like in her photos, charged 2300 for an hour and 2 shots (2500 for 2 shots 1. 5 h but I did not need that). All smiles, nice shower, bit of massage, 2 cum filled condoms and my itch scrached. Experience reminded me a lot of nearby LE Ciel kapoo-style club. Nice and gets the job done but either a bit too transactional or maybe I'm just not thai enough.

THAI STYLE GOGOS.

Staying mentally in the same area as for Fiwfans, nearby Thanon Sutthisan Winitchai hides some gems! Find your way to the end of Pradiphat road (great for street food by the way) and cross intersection where Sutthisan starts. Not far on the left side is Rainbow club. An absolutely gobsmacking enormous of a club with what feels like 80 ies era. Almost zilch on English and ladies might not be naked but the atmosphere is there and if you speak even rudimentary Thai you'll find your way to fun real quick. I just love the old school vibe of ordering a beer, only big bottles and ladies running to refill my glass along with ice to keep that beverage at right temp and yours truly only needing to exercise his muscles in listing glass to my mouth. Could have probably paid a lady to do that for me too.

Indeed a bit too basic I found myself later in nearby T Ded 99 club. Similar deal with a huge room and very very few ladies but here an interesting thing happened. Ladies roam around trying to get customers, and this one early 20 something walks up in rudimentary english asking if she can sit down. I nod nod nod and scoot over but she says no no stay and proceeds to sit facing me, across my lap, taking out very sweet boltons and gyrating on me as I sip my beer. About 5 minutes of that unexpected fun with most other patrons gawping at me, and lady asked only for a 100 baht tip. Absolutely would do again just for the lolz.

NANA WALKERS.

Morning / night seems to hold good karma for me, even better than Stumble Inn, and all inspired by Ian Beardsworth of twitter. If he's here reading these lines well kudos to you sir and happy fucking.

I'm lazy to write about a couple of pickups from both bars (and also Sexy Nights within plaza Ian likes to visist. All these seem to have a good number of providers willing to go bareback), but last night took the cake with me literally shouting out from my perch to a cute choco lady passing by, having her join me for a beer at the bar and me balls deep inside her about 30 minutes later in nearby short time place. We skipped the condom, but she did not skip getting absolutelly rammed by my whisky dick (did I forget to mention I visited dr wood same evening? But damnit that was fun. Plaza is cool too but the drink chasing is sometimes tiring to think about, whereas outside bars seem to have a much better setup to feel the vibe of the lady first before deciding on next steps.

That's it for me from last 4 nights, cheers!

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2798667]My mistake, apology. The correct one is: One should know all ODD Soi numbers are all along the Bamrungrad Hospital side till the last end of Sukhumvit road and all even numbers are Nana Plaza side.[/QUOTE]

While probably my lowest ranking well known red light, Cowboy seems to be involving interestingly lately. The Asok side is now completely tourist bullshit and I stay away, midsection is also a bit meh apart from a few girls I know from other 2 districts who've moved here now, but near the end is where i find some fun. Suzie Wongs with the occasional guy in front singing and joking live, and opposite Dollhouse really hit the sweet spot for me.

Dollhouse especially. Ladies downstairs like to joke about with smiling customers, and fully naked ladies upstairs are always grateful for drinks. Nr 2 is especially hot for me, and nr 4 seems in high demand. For my next special day, birthday or otherwise, might just arrange to have both barfined LT and go somewhere to first get loaded up on scotch and then properly unloaded balls.

Baccara for me lost its appeal with bunch of stonefaced asians looking at girls, girls upstairs looking like they just about want to be anywhere else in the world at that moment and overall pushiness for drinks. The only upside is couches if you come with a few buddies, but even that's a bit now less interesting due to other parts.

Crazy house vs Dollhouse upstairs. For me Dollhouse now wins. Yes crazyhouse is packed but the 2 ladydrink scam is now soooo worn out, my indian friend getting asked to "pay a drink in advance because its members only" and well lets face it ladies are perhaps a 5 or 6 at best and place gets way to crowded and hard to move about when busy. I started to not even check inside when I'm in the area.

I wish there was something like Meet the world from Patpong in Cowboy. Where doors can quickly get locked, clothes can quickly disappear along with my dick in an eager mouth. But here's hoping someone might now if one of the older bars in Cowboy might still have that service.

Yours truly,

Z.

[QUOTE=ChoduMadan;2799111]Just any 7/11 store will have a durex lube.[/QUOTE]Just been into my local 7/11 for some milk and an ice cream. At the check out right next to the condoms is a selection of lube. Never noticed them before.

Thanks for the advice. I can see some lucky Thai girl getting a good seeing to tomorrow night.

Are there any live sex shows in Bangkok any more?

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2799142]SOI OOPS.

Well well gents, focusing on soi numbers vs morning handies ayayay haha. Indeed my bad, soi 1 and to remove any doubt, get off ploenchit BTS on left side (closer to Bumrungrad side), keep walking in direction as train woudl continue, pass highway, take soi first left and walk up, around midway there's a massage place where there's usually at least 1 lady smiling to work ealrly hours. Turned out to be Lao but quite eager to please.

FIWFANS.

In other news, recently had my first fiwfans experience. Felt the itch one evening around 10:30 pm, fiwfans browsing with google translate on and lots of fumbling with advanced search later for location (I can't be arsed anymore to travel far for pussy) and as it turns out nearby serviced apartments near Sanam Pao BTS host 2 nice looking ladies with their handler speaking decent english too - [URL]https://fiwfans.com/agency/Idollgirl191.[/URL].

Not much to write home about but lady looked indeed like in her photos, charged 2300 for an hour and 2 shots (2500 for 2 shots 1. 5 h but I did not need that). All smiles, nice shower, bit of massage, 2 cum filled condoms and my itch scrached. Experience reminded me a lot of nearby LE Ciel kapoo-style club. Nice and gets the job done but either a bit too transactional or maybe I'm just not thai enough.[/QUOTE]Reminder it's 2023. People have names and establishments as well. So what your reasoning?

LOL thanks for the heads up about beardworth. Seems to be living a fun life.

He must have a forgiving GF or a GF who doesn't care.

That diet though. Living in a country with food choices like Thailand and eating bacon eggs and American food everyday? Headed to an early grave for sure. I've had some of the best Indian Italian Japanese Chinese and western cuisine in Thailand. And of course thai food. American food is possibly the last thing I'd waste money on.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2799142]SOI OOPS.

NANA WALKERS.

Morning / night seems to hold good karma for me, even better than Stumble Inn, and all inspired by Ian Beardsworth of twitter. If he's here reading these lines well kudos to you sir and happy fucking.

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