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I have longed considered marrying a filipina, especially from the provinces, such as Cebu. I am told that the following is almost always true when marrying a filipina:

1. When you marry a filipina, you marry the entire clan, this includes blood relatives, friends of the family and other persons. We all know how large their families are, so it is possible this could mean several hundred people or maybe even more.

2. Filipinas marry foreigners for their resources only. These girls are so poor that this is their only chance of a better life. Real love might exist, but it is very RARE.

3. As a foreigner, you have no priority in their wife's eyes. Her family/friends
come before you and possibly your own children.

4. Due to their cultural interdependency and practice of complete communalism, filipinas are expected to support their family even if they are married off and not living in the Philippines, especially during a financial crisis, e.g., tuition fees, and health care expenses, etc. I am told by a lot of people financial crises occur practically everyday for most Filipinos. Imagine having to support a clan of over 500 people with ever growing needs.

5. As a rich "foreigner", your wife expects you to shoulder these expenses for her family, regardless if this proves a hardship to you or your own family. This could mean going into personal debt, such as bankruptcy to help her family. This could get very messy if she brings children into the marriage, These people have no means of ever paying you back. If you refuse to pay, you could lose your wife and be faced with a divorce and forced to make child support payments for someone else's children (assuming you don't have any children of your own.)

Conclusion:

No doubt most Filipina are sweet and very good wives/mothers, but considering their poverty and cultural tendencies of placing their husbands last, why marry them? It seems a lot better to make no committment to them and enjoy them sexually. There are just too many girls to choose from to settle only on one.

Recently visited Cebu. Didn't care for the "talent" at the gogo bars near Osmena Circle, the Firestation Bar had the best selection. Try the Sunflower Disco and the bars nearby. Sometimes theres some nice pus there.

You can try the KTV attached to the hotel. I think it's called the Golden Calesa. I never took from here so I'm not sure of the price. It caters to Asian businessmen so it may be a bit pricey. I have been in there for drinks and the selection of girls was very good.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I recently read a journal article that cites the HIV rate in the Philippines as the lowest in East Asia with respect to the sex industry. I've calculated that the chances of my getting killed in a car crash are higher than they are to get HIV from some hooker there.

I was thinking of two destinations. Puerto Princesa is one, and Cebu is the other. In which of these places am I more likely to be able to get girls to go bare? This is with the knowledge that places with higher tourist volume are more likely to say "NO," since their exposure to whatever disease is just a matter of probability.

Any suggestions for bareback outside of those two places? Please send a copy of all replies to my private message box.[/QUOTE]

I am personally insulted that you might want to spread STD's by having unprotected sex with a provider. Thats what you would be doing. You spread from one girl to the next and how many guys do they screw in the next 24 months? Hundreds, then those guys onknowingly bring it home.

Dont be so stupid and selfish.

Amen to One Tree Hill! Why put yourself and others at risk? The reason that the HIV/AIDS rate is low here (allegedly) is probably that all girls, in virtually all cities, who work in the sex industry, have to have current, valid medical cards. They get tested once or twice a month, and those that test positive cannot work in the clubs.

Remember though that the public health system here is wholly inadequate, and the statistics that are collected in this domain are highly questionnable and almost assuredly incomplete. Be safe please, and protect yourself and the rest of us.

GE

I submited a profile on Filipinaheart.com as a total newbie two weeks ago saying that I would be arriving in Cebu in 2 weeks time and entered my age range as looking for an 18-20 year old girl. No photo was added of me (don't know how to do it) and a general line of 'I'm coming to Cebu and would like to meet someone nice during my stay'. I was honest about my age (less than 40 but not by much) and honest about the type of girl that I was looking for 'clean, happy, likes being spoilt and good listener/talker'.

Anyway, I nailed it all down to two that seemed to fit the requirements / that I liked the photos of, both girls were 18 and both 'looking for a friend'. I met one one night, and the next the following night. Rose (1st night) I liked immediately so gave her lots of attention whilst we had tea with her cousin in the lobby (this seemed a better idea than the bar of course). A true 18 fit young woman at her prime. Her cousin was interesting, and I made my excuse to leave to make a call to HQ from my room. Of course I called Rose instead and asked if we could talk in private in my room and would she come up for a chat. Which went well, with the right ground work sort of spelled out to her of my interests and she left asking if we could meet the next day.

However, I met Joann the next night (awful, more like a gappy boy than anything else) whilst messaging Rose during the day to show that I was VERY interested to meet the following day before I left Cebu. I also spelt out in a final reply message to her my wish of going to bed with her at 'sometime' if we did meet again (the next day as she'd asked). She agreed!

She turned up at Waterfront on time to meet me for lunch, wearing a very pretty dress and a pearl necklace (hehe) and looked fantastic drinking a glass of wine and eating a superb pizza in a deserted lunchtime La Gondola restaurant. I think we caused a stir with the staff with her being 18, drinking wine and dressed for an evening out at midday, but we loved it and maybe the staff just had nothing else to look at.

She was absolutely wild when her clothes were off in my room after a shower and long bathroom grooming / make-up session whilst I waited my shower. I was apprently only the second guy that she had slept with, whilst also being the first foreigner! (yes, of course I used a condom). She was absolutely lovely and it was a fantastic way to get laid. A good touch was once we were re-dressed and getting ready to leave the room for me to check-out, she decided to drop down, started kissing and un-doing, and gave me a really good deep sucking for no reason.

I did give her some money of course, which she refused, so I put it in her bag when she wasn't looking. I also brought her a nice red lipstick in the duty free shop in the lobby before we went to my room for P.500 which was probably more for my benefit and which looked fantastic on her as she sucked me like a lolly.

I'll probably end up sending her an 'exam' fee here and there, but I'm also likely to be back in Cebu soon so win/win imho.

I agree with the others on the board. Going bareback with a hooker is very dangerous.

First world countries statistics are not always trustworthy and not uncommonly are used to push an agenda. Why would you believe health statistics from a third world country, especially when a dollar means more than life?

It might be true that the bar girls get health checkups once or twice a month, but this does very little to protect patrons from HIV/AIDS and other STDs that take time to show up in your system. I am told that HIV can take 3 months to show up on blood tests. In 3 months, bar girls can fuck hundreds of men from all around the world and unknowingly give them the virus. Also, I believe these bar girls fuck a lot of local men who in turn pass it to other Filipina, who then passes on to you the naive foreigner. Imagine passing this germ on to your wife, your kids, etc..

It would not surprise me that fake health certificates can be bought form local doctors/officials. Also, it might be possible for local STD tests to give a false reading.

Ace, you are absolutely, positively right concerning the 3 month waiting period for an HIV test. The reason is that in some cases, it can take up to 3 months after infection with HIV for the person's body to start producing antibodies, which is what the test actually looks for.

You read so many posts on WSG of guys who brag about going bareback, and then say, "Don't worry, I just got my test back negative!"

Well, dumbass, all that really means is that you didn't have HIV three months ago! And if you've gone BB at any time since then, that test doesn't mean shit!

I think any rational person would acknowledge the risk he presents to himself, and to others, by neglecting to wear a condom. Obviously those who choose not to wear them are either too stupid to understand the risk, or indifferent to their own fates and those of others.

In the case of the Philippines, there's no money for sex education, no money for public health, no money for medicines and nothing the country could do about an AIDS pandemic if there was one. Therefore, the Government does what it always does when it can; deny that a significant problem exists at all. The fact is, no one knows. Public education here is pathetically inadequate, and politics are dominated in part, by the Catholic Church which will not even permit the consideration of legislation concerning population control measures. Anyone who believes any statistics published by or on behalf of the Government here is a fool.

GE

And what has that got to do with shagging Rose in Cebu? Take your paranoid crap elsewhere, remember the US system is to keep you fools in fear. Singapore does the same.

Nobody is interested in anything apart from live reports, pics, and hints/tips. Not speculative rubbish on possible HIV carriers. If the stats in the 80's were true, we'd all be dead by now. Like Sars, Aids is there, but dormant (unless you really are an idiot and want to catch it).

If you've not shagged anything exotic (including your wife) shut the **** up. ok?

Fuck you must be stupid. Not only are you willing to take the risk yourself ( and the risk is present ), you are also willing to expose other to a risk by rejecting that you could be infected and could be a carrier ( i don't suppose you will take a test betwen each fuck and each girl ).

Please use a condom for your own sake, for the girls sake and for everybody elses sake!

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I recently read a journal article that cites the HIV rate in the Philippines as the lowest in East Asia with respect to the sex industry. I've calculated that the chances of my getting killed in a car crash are higher than they are to get HIV from some hooker there.

I was thinking of two destinations. Puerto Princesa is one, and Cebu is the other. In which of these places am I more likely to be able to get girls to go bare? This is with the knowledge that places with higher tourist volume are more likely to say "NO," since their exposure to whatever disease is just a matter of probability.

Any suggestions for bareback outside of those two places? Please send a copy of all replies to my private message box.[/QUOTE]

AIDS Educ Prev. 2004 Jun;16(3 Suppl A):43-52. Related Articles, Links

HIV/AIDS in the Philippines.

Mateo R Jr, Sarol JN Jr, Poblete R.

National HIV Sentinel Surveillance System, National Epidemiology Center, Department of Health, The Philippines.


HIV/AIDS has not yet caused a widespread epidemic in the Philippines. Rates in all the usual risk groups (sex workers, men who have sex with men, STD clients, returning overseas workers, etc.) have remained below 1%, except in a few areas, where they are still only 1-2% in some risk groups. The low level of HIV may be due in part to the low number of sex worker clients per night, the relatively low number of full-time sex workers, the low proportion of injectors among drug users, the early multisectoral response to the epidemic, and the presence of social hygiene clinics for sex workers. The incidence of STDs, multiple partners, and injection drug use with needle sharing, however, is increasing, suggesting that an explosive epidemic could occur if the virus is introduced into the appropriate risk groups. The Philippine government has confronted the problem of HIV/AIDS aggressively with an action plan that includes an emphasis on the response of the local government agencies, involvement and support of nongovernmental organizations (NGOs), incorporation of HIV/AIDS education into the school curriculum, and laws forbidding discrimination against persons with HIV/AIDS or belonging to risk groups. Local and international NGOs have been actively involved in prevention of HIV/AIDS and support of affected individuals. Although the Philippines is currently experiencing low rates of HIV/AIDS, the country needs to be prepared for the possibility of an explosive increase in the spread of HIV/AIDS. Vietnam and Indonesia provide examples of delayed epidemics of HIV/AIDS that could also occur in the Philippines.

i probably did this out of order, but i need to present evidence for the statments that i make:
notably, that men who are circumcised have an even lower risk of hiv infection from a woman. i'll not bother presenting the third assertion (which is not readily available on the net) that did the calculation that people who have sex with partners whose std status is not known are actually more likely to get killed in a car crash on the way home than they are to by any given std. the place that gave this information was a book called "innumeracy" by john allen paulos. he is a ph.d. in mathematics that teachers at temple university and gives the chance of getting killed in a car crash at 1/5,300.

and if you think about it: most people in africa believe that hiv is an invention of evil white scientists and have no clue that hiv is what causes aids. if you don't believe me, read transcripts of any of thabo mbeki's speeches. only 25% of the adult population there is infected-- out of a country that is 100% unaware of the mode of transmission of the disease and 100% uncircumcised. so how virulent is this virus really?

what is the probability of a circumcised male getting hiv from a hooker in a country where between 1-2% of sex workers are infected?

the calculation, one more time is: (1/100)(5/1000)=1/20000. (percentage of population infected x probability of infection, independent events). and in the case that 2% of the hookers are infected,
(2/100)(5/1000)= 1/10000. both of these numbers are significantly lower than 1/5300. 5% of the hookers would have to be infected for it to be on the same scale of danger as dying in a car crash. even then: how many people do you know that have died in a car crash lately?

my evidence below.

j infect dis. 2005 feb 15;191(4):546-53. epub 2005 jan 18. related articles, links
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female-to-male infectivity of hiv-1 among circumcised and uncircumcised kenyan men.

baeten jm, richardson ba, lavreys l, rakwar jp, mandaliya k, bwayo jj, kreiss jk.

department of epidemiology, university of washington, seattle, washington 98104-2499, usa. jbaeten@u.washington.edu

background: a lack of male circumcision has been associated with increased risk of human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (hiv-1) acquisition in a number of studies, but questions remain as to whether confounding by behavioral practices explains these results. the objective of the present study was to model per-sex act probabilities of female-to-male hiv-1 transmission (i.e., infectivity) for circumcised and uncircumcised men, by use of detailed accounts of sexual behavior in a population with multiple partnerships. methods: data were collected as part of a prospective cohort study of hiv-1 acquisition among 745 kenyan truck drivers. sexual behavior with wives, casual partners, and prostitutes was recorded at quarterly follow-up visits. published hiv-1 seroprevalence estimates among kenyan women were used to model hiv-1 per-sex act transmission probabilities. results: the overall probability of hiv-1 acquisition per sex act was 0.0063 (95% confidence interval, 0.0035-0.0091). female-to-male infectivity was significantly higher for uncircumcised men than for circumcised men (0.0128 vs. 0.0051; p=.04). the effect of circumcision was robust in subgroup analyses and across a wide range of hiv-1 prevalence estimates for sex partners. conclusions: after accounting for sexual behavior, we found that uncircumcised men were at a >2-fold increased risk of acquiring hiv-1 per sex act, compared with circumcised men. moreover, female-to-male infectivity of hiv-1 in the context of multiple partnerships may be considerably higher than that estimated from studies of hiv-1-serodiscordant couples. these results may explain the rapid spread of the hiv-1 epidemic in settings, found throughout much of africa, in which multiple partnerships and a lack of male circumcision are common.

pmid: 15655778 [pubmed - indexed for medline]


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Some of you mongers in here are so naive it's mind boggling. One guy trying to do algebra and use scientific data to excuse himself from wearing a condom.

Here are the facts. You stick your willy in numerous vaginas and mouths uncovered eventually you're going to catch the virus. Maybe not the 1st time, maybe even not the 100th, but eventually it will get you.

You see the virus is just that, it's fricken virus, it does not know statistics and percentages. You find a way for the virus to get directly into your blood stream and hip hip hooray you get to die a miserable death!

If this disease is so damn hard to catch like so many of you like to think it is, then why the hell do so many people have it? Why do I personally know 5 buddies from when I was in the Navy who caught HIV while on west-Pac tours to Thailand? Please tell me why? Why do I know 3 old team mates from my college football team who caught HIV from only having straight sex with women? Can you explain this to me?

You say you can't catch HIV from oral sex? Think again, tell me about the working girl who is filled with hate because another gave her HIV, so she wants to pass it along. On a dark summer evening, you pick her up, go back to the room, she dims the lights. She proceeds to give you oral, you think she's so good, innocently rubbing her tongue on the head of your penis, even grinding it some, guess what, she has blood on her tongue and is mashing it into the head of your penis. It happens, do some google searches. Sure, I know, there has never been a documented case of HIV through oral, receptive, it's BS, because if you have ever fucked anything, every before, they won't "document it"

Enjoy screwing without a condom, what about the female's menstrual cycle, what if she has just a little bit left? Get into your urethra, on no, you got aids!

The people I mentioned above were simply sleeping with women, more then one, on numerous occasions, they did not get butt fucked, do drugs or have blood transfusions, yet they caught aids. These were good friends, normal guys, doing guy things. Of the eight I know personally, three are now dead, died miserable horrible deaths, the other 5 are sucking down dozens of pills and look freakish from the side affects. This is the real world dudes. All the price one can pay for not opting for a 50 cent condom. I wish it were not this way, but if you want to play and live, you got to cover it.

If you want to live, cover your willy, it's really that simple-stupid!!

Tang~!

GT

Based on your logic, we had all better stopping driving down to the local shops, because eventually we are going to be killed in a car accident.

jack