Istanbul

I have to say that 200$=150Euros is a lot and you can get a lot cheaper .But I have been to other places also and girls are just not the same .and for 1 night you will never remember about the 5 or 100 $ you paid extra but you will smile when you remember the nice experience.(not some fat smelly girl but a nice model type girl english wich you gan also communicate a bit besides fuck)
IMHO THANKS VNDR
ps. iI will post my adventures from my 2nd trip to INSTBL and you will all see what overpaying really is.

vander is right. the going rate in "bacardi" is 200 usd and it is pretty difficult to bargain. on the other hand, the chicks in "bacardi" are the best from all aksaray-joints.

I was in Istanbul for business 1+ day. I finished my business around 10.00 pm so I went to my hotel shower and headed to baccardi around 11.30 on my way down from the elevator I saw 1 girl looking at me drinking a coke so I go over and she tells me the story : She can make me happy massage .. Sex all included…
Showed even naked photos of her on her cell phone to convince me .She was coming on very strongly. I told her to give me the number of her cell phone so I can call her later because “I had a diner meeting with friends”. I asked how much and she said don’t worry is very good price .asked again and she wouldn’t tell me but insisted not to worry. On the way to the taxi I think it over. Why go all the way to baccardi when I can stay here and save all my energy?
So I call her (name is Sertab thin small 6-7 /10 ) Up to the room now is 12.00. So 1st of all how much? I ask 500euro she replies. I am now mad.
I see the wrong choice has been made. I tell her max I give for all night is 200 (this girl is not even worth 100) so she says 300 and I am so disappointed from all the negotiating Turkish people do that I say ok (thinking naïve like I am) I give her 300!!!!!!! (And stupid did I mention stupid??) So what does she do? Ask for more money or should I say begging.
I give some Tl for cab and to bed. Her body was ok
The “sex” was not good: She insisted on giving me a hand job I insisted on bj but with all the insisting I got so tired because man this is not a fucking negotiation is just plain fucking. So I just lay down curious to see where this is going, no more resisting from my side. She takes some lotion and gives hj to finish. Takes shower comes back .I ask her 300 e for hj? She replies (don’t worry we have all night). She takes her cell phone and starts playing with it .No attention to me.
-at this time I should like to mention that there are 2 sides of me. 1 is the one you are looking at right now and … and the second you don’t want to see-.
So It is crossing my mind to throw her out of the door like she is right now with no clothes and make my 300 worth something .(naked woman in the corridors of Hyatt regency is much more entertaining than a hj)But I am trying to stay calm and (unfortunately) succeeding.
She says ….ooooh … I ask, what is it . Nothing she replies. ohhh again .what’s wrong I ask again she says nothing..Its just that I met this guy from Holland . Can I call him? Room to room ? I am now going to my “special place” in my mind where nothing annoys me and everything is humour and fun.
I say of course !!!!! so she calls and makes arrangements asking me do you mind? I go for 30 min and back I am. My reply was no why would I mind...
Says thanks and she will be back in 30 mins tops.

So she is out the door and I am also out the Door 30secs after her…. take Taxi and straight to Baccardi . It is now 1.30 Tuesday night Wednesday morning.40-50 girls 40-50 guys. All girls nice looking and some nicer. I am just sitting and my radar is working (no more mistakes for me) I just have to find the perfect one to make the best of this evening/disaster. Spot 1 girl dancing and still don’t go to her; I am just watching everything for 15 minutes or more.
When I am convinced that this is the best I can do in this club I go to step 2 = asking her if she speaks English reply was yes and to have a drink we go.
Her name *ELENA* from Azerbaijan 24 yo 173 cm 59 kg easy could be a model I think if she wants..dressed plain but nice( jean skirt and sweater) .
Back to Hyatt we go and fun begins (200 $ for all night = 150euros)
I told her I was very tired from all day working and having “sex” just before and we should rest for a while and than do it (it was now 2.30) but she was so hot I couldn’t wait as all she had to do was kiss me and we were all over each other. Like heaven it was. Great bbbj.. at first cbj late..r daty on her no problem..she was really what I call looking like an angel smile like an angel but in bed she was really a “wild thing”30 mins later I am a new man .(my reward for not letting the situation before ruin my mood).
So sleeping we are now until morning 8.00. she asks me what I want to and next thing I know she is all over me like a tornado and this time its even better because I had a 4 hour sleep witch is not much but given the situation it was enough. After 1 hour we are ready to leave and I take her phone number because my flight was leaving at night. So I go to work double time (=very fast doing everything) so I finish around 2.00 noon .After all I hear from this forum I head to Irmak have coffee and than to Irmak bar (as I understand Irmak has 3 separate doors 1st is for regular tourist where I had coffee middle door is like bar with girls and 3rd I didn’t go but looks for regular tourist also. At this time I am thinking why go for same girl again (Elena) when you can have variety .So I am at Irmak (middle) and I have a drink 10-15 girls maybe 8-10 guys Its very crowded because it’s a small place some were fat some older and some are nice .after conference with my self I decide to not settle FOR AN 8/10 (That was the best I saw around) and called ELENA. Made a date for 4.00 at my hotel witch she was a little late because of terrible traffic she was just taking a shower and she was shining like the sun. wearing nice jeans and just the way I like a woman. This time looking like at least a movie star .she was starving so I ordered a salad for her room service said in 15 min. Elena is coming on like tornado again but I don’t want room service to interrupt us so I am fighting this telling her not yet. 2 times she is making my man stand up but I am controlling it. And just in time food come she eats salad and than ….tornado (this time even better). 2 hours 150$ …..And running to catch my plane fully satisfied ………………..
ELENA :Face 9.5 , body 9.5 ,lips10+, performance 10, personality 9.5 (this is very very very high for me to give). GFE : 1st day 8, 2nd day 9, and I wish a had 1 more day.

Local girls always deny to learn the right way to make a man happy and be honest.

Hot babes ask $200-$500 per hour because they are ömodel type, but no way to find a GFE, just plain sex with a beautiful body(meat) nothging else.

They always complain or sens messages or try to call their friends. You definetly regret to call them.

EE girls definetly first choice top nothches to ordinary girls, their attitude always make feel calm and comfortable. Of course time to time there are some exceptions, but I LOVE TO HANG OUT WITH EE GIRLS.

Local girls just pain in the a**.

Came across this site when doing research for my forthcoming trip to Istanbul. I have been a regular contributer to our local forum in Australia called [url]www.sensualdownunder.com[/url] - check it out for comprehensive info in action in Australia. Whilst I am new to this site, I am not new to punting or mongering. It will however be my first time in Istanbul.

I have read through the various posts and mention is made of cheap EE girls and that going to the Akrasay bars/clubs seems to be associated with higher prices but perhaps more reliable quality. Is there any advice I can receive from readers of this forum on how to access cheap EE girls or am I just simply better off to hang the expense and go to places like Bacardi, Seranda etc etc.

Any advice will be much apprciated and I would undertake to report back on my experiences. I would be more than happy to reciprocate if anybody who is able to help is planning a trip to Australia.

The most appropriate way would be to visit Serenda or Balance disco just one time at the expense of 18bucks and to talk to as many girls as possible on the dance floor for a couple of hours, get some contact numbers of your choice and to get in touch later on for charges negotiated beforehand..

The most striking fact about EE girls is that they're very cunning and successful in playing their role of assuming to fall in love and thus behaving accordingly as total GFE.

Even the most innocent regular freebies turn out to have many boyfriends at the same time..

It won't hurt you as long as you accept your role of the game without questioning....

EE pros want to love and be loved. Most of them are highly educated, intelligent and beautiful. Also they have very low self-esteem. They laugh about things instead of complaining like Turkish pros. EE pros say that in their countries there is a shortage of good men available for good sex. In addition, due to the poor economic situation in their countries there are no men who are able and willing to pay for sex except for foreign mongers. In their countries EE pros don't live decently, and they are ready to do anything to live a better life. Their sexual life are important conditions of happiness.

EE women are surprisingly non-materialistic when it's about true love and sex. You may think that we are not consistent saying that, but the truth is that EE women are not consistent. They think with their hearts, feelings and bodies. They can have beliefs but act in the opposite way because of feelings. They will follow their decisions made by mind until true feelings get involved.

If EE pros like their customers, they are not able to refuse anything when the customer insists. Giving an EE pro an orgasm make you a great lover. During the orgasmic phase EE pros often experience:

Rhythmic muscle contractions occur in the outer third of the vagina, the uterus, and anus. The first muscle contractions are the most intense, and occur at a rate of a little more than 1 per second. As the orgasm continues, the contractions become less intense and occur at a more random rate.

Muscles throughout the body may contract during orgasm, not just those in the pelvic area.

They will emit or spray some fluid from their urethra during orgasm.
Myotonia may be evident throughout the body, especially in the face, hands, and feet. Her facial expression may indicate that she is in pain when she is having a pleasurable orgasm.

At the peak of orgasm their entire bodies become momentarily rigid.

When EE pros experience one orgasm, they want many more in one session. At first, they bargain for 2 hours sex. But after their orgasm, they stay more than 3, even 4 hours. It depends on you. In my opinion, Russian pros are the best pros all over the world. I have learned many techniques from them including Kama Sutra. Russian pros live among the creatures of the Istanbul night and in the forest of their dreams. You never stop yourself to wonder why you help them to forget to play their role. If you've got to give them some faith, hold them tight, a little tenderness, to treat them right, they will be near you taking good care of you for FREE. Some of them do not ask money after third meeting, believe me.

Last year, I made sex with 25 EE pros and all of them are great. They behave as my girlfriend. The best is Jenia. A perfect Ukrainian girl from Sivastapol. Although she is 28 years old woman, she looks like a teenager. Jenia is a wonderful lady with beautiful blue eyes and brownish hair. Jenia was My precioussssss. I think, God sent me an birthday present last year. With her first hello, she gave a new meaning to this empty world of mine. It is a pity that she went to Ukraine back. I have some plans to go Ukraine and see her.

Last week, I saw another Ukrainian chick. But this girl is very different. She is very sensitive. She wanted for a special thing while shedding tears. She tells me "If you do not make my request, I will go back to my country." I promised to her for that topic. I sent a message to an important person since I need his help in order to perform her request. He said OK. I hope that he keeps his word. It takes only 5 minutes to delete some photos. Otherwise, I will be sad.

I do not want to speak about local girls. All of them are same. Turkish pros think that they are goddesses and able to cope with anything on their own. They do not know anything about making their customer happy. Many of them have not enough information about sex techniques, even kissing. First of all, warmth and sincerity is missing. Turkish pros do everyting to make you cum as soon as possible. How about orgasm? Always fake. They usually say strange words "ahh, ohh, uff, hurry up, another customer is waiting, etc." I have not made sex with Turkish pros for 2 years. I want to forget them. Last month, one of my friends gave me 15 phone numbers. I saw these pros, they were very interesting!

The contributing members may send PM me for phone numbers or places. But if my second birthday present leaves, I do not contibute anything.

The true worth of a great man comes out when he keeps his word.

Omer Kerem

EE pros want to love and be loved. Most of them are highly educated, intelligent and beautiful. Also they have very low self-esteem. They laugh about things instead of complaining like Turkish pros. EE pros say that in their countries there is a shortage of good men available for good sex. In addition, due to the poor economic situation in their countries there are no men who are able and willing to pay for sex except for foreign mongers. In their countries EE pros don't live decently, and they are ready to do anything to live a better life. Their sexual life are important conditions of happiness.

EE women are surprisingly non-materialistic when it's about true love and sex. You may think that we are not consistent saying that, but the truth is that EE women are not consistent. They think with their hearts, feelings and bodies. They can have beliefs but act in the opposite way because of feelings. They will follow their decisions made by mind until true feelings get involved.

If EE pros like their customers, they are not able to refuse anything when the customer insists. Giving an EE pro an orgasm make you a great lover. During the orgasmic phase EE pros often experience:

Rhythmic muscle contractions occur in the outer third of the vagina, the uterus, and anus. The first muscle contractions are the most intense, and occur at a rate of a little more than 1 per second. As the orgasm continues, the contractions become less intense and occur at a more random rate.

Muscles throughout the body may contract during orgasm, not just those in the pelvic area.

They will emit or spray some fluid from their urethra during orgasm.

Myotonia may be evident throughout the body, especially in the face, hands, and feet. Her facial expression may indicate that she is in pain when she is having a pleasurable orgasm.

At the peak of orgasm their entire bodies become momentarily rigid.

When EE pros experience one orgasm, they want many more in one session. At first, they bargain for 2 hours sex. But after their orgasm, they stay more than 3, even 4 hours. It depends on you. In my opinion, Russian pros are the best pros all over the world. I have learned many techniques from them including Kama Sutra. Russian pros live among the creatures of the Istanbul night and in the forest of their dreams. You never stop yourself to wonder why you help them to forget to play their role. If you've got to give them some faith, hold them tight, a little tenderness, to treat them right, they will be near you taking good care of you for FREE. Some of them do not ask money after third meeting, believe me.

Last year, I made sex with 25 EE pros and all of them are great. They behave as my girlfriend. The best is Jenia. A perfect Ukrainian girl from Sivastapol. Although she is 28 years old woman, she looks like a teenager. Jenia is a wonderful lady with beautiful blue eyes and brownish hair. Jenia was My precioussssss. I think, God sent me an birthday present last year. With her first hello, she gave a new meaning to this empty world of mine. It is a pity that she went to Ukraine back. I have some plans to go Ukraine and see her.

Last week, I saw another Ukrainian chick. But this girl is very different. She is very sensitive. She wanted for a special thing while shedding tears. She tells me "If you do not make my request, I will go back to my country." I promised to her for that topic. I sent a message to an important person since I need his help in order to perform her request. He said OK. I hope that he keeps his word. It takes only 5 minutes to delete some photos. Otherwise, I will be sad.

I do not want to speak about local girls. All of them are same. Turkish pros think that they are goddesses and able to cope with anything on their own. They do not know anything about making their customer happy. Many of them have not enough information about sex techniques, even kissing. First of all, warmth and sincerity is missing. Turkish pros do everyting to make you cum as soon as possible. How about orgasm? Always fake. They usually say strange words "ahh, ohh, uff, hurry up, another customer is waiting, etc." I have not made sex with Turkish pros for 2 years. I want to forget them. Last month, one of my friends gave me 15 phone numbers. I saw these pros, they were very interesting!

The contributing members may send PM me for phone numbers or places. But if my second birthday present leaves, I do not contibute anything.

The true worth of a great man comes out when he keeps his word.

Omer Kerem

Thanks Vegamars - this is very useful advice and in the spirit of international co-operation. I am really looking forward to my trip there in a couple of weeks.

Can someone direct me to some maps of Istanbul, preferably with "areas of interest" marked on the map (such as Bacardi, Seranda etc. etc.)
Is Bacardi in Aksaray area?
I will be visiting for a few days and would like to know what to tell the taxi drivers!

Thank you for your help.

Bacardi is in Aksaray area. Go to Mustafa Kemal Avenue in Aksaray. In the main street, you will see Mc Donald's. 50 m upwards from Mc Donald's, towards the four-way junction, on the left, inside a passage with costume shops, go downstairs. In the street, you will see also the sign of Bacardi Disco, one of the best exotic dance clubs in Istanbul.

Do not forget that the best time to visit Bacardi is at around 23:30-01:00. The fix menu is 35 YTL (including a plate of banana and honey, peanuts, fresh fruits and a drink). You should also order to the girl a drink which costs 25 YTL. After 5 minutes, the waiters bring to the girl another drink which also costs 25 YTL.

The girl usually takes $ 100 for an hour, $ 150 for 2 hours and $ 250 for the all night. As soon as the girl comes your table, the vendors comes near you. They sell red roses, cigarettes, chocolates, teddy bears, etc. at high prices. Be careful.

Taxis charge double the price after midnight.

Omer Kerem

Bizzie, I once posted a "mongers' map" of the downtown area around the Mustafa Kemal Street. You'll find it on this thread dated some time in April 2004.

The adress of SERANDA is Namik Kemal Avenue, Manastirli Rifat Street. No:33, Aksaray/Istanbul. It is located at the end of the street downwards from McDonald's, walk about 300 mt. When you see the end of the street with steep stairs, the Seranda is the second Hotel on the left.

The best time to visit Seranda is at around 22:30-01:30. The standard rate is $100 for 2 shots.

The entrance fee for Serenda is 20 YTL and the best thing is that you can get along with this charge for all night without any pressure on you to order any extra drinks for yourself. Take your time to make enough investigation among the girls on the dance floor. The Serenda Hotel charges on you 50 YTL for the whole night.

Bizzie, keep in mind: Serenda has some strict rules: no drink on the dance floor, no walking around with your drink, etc. The girls come only to Serenda Hotel, they not accept your another hotel offer.

Also, the quality of Bacardi is higher than Serenda.

Omer Kerem

I figure that there is no harm done by posting the map of the business area periodically. Here's the key to the map:

Green: Irmak

Blue: Big Pub

Violet: Bacardi

Black: Serenda.

I took this map off of this forum myself, which was posted along with a more comprehensive list of bars. It may very well have been the post to which Priamos refers. I appreciate the efforts of the original poster, whoever he may have been, but I have observed that many locations marked on the map are not referred to at all in the forum. Accordingly, I have taken the liberty to edit out some establishments which I consider insignificant.

One thing I found lacking about this map was that there is no landmark provided according to which one can orient himself. I believe that, especially at night, the Aksaray McDonald's provides the best location for this purpose. The McD's is located -and folks more familiar with the area should correct me if I am wrong- on Mustafa Kemal, between Inkilap and Tiryaki Hasan Pasa. Hope this helps.