[QUOTE=TConor;1462832]Offers what Cherry, Mango, Snowwhite, and Tulips does?[/QUOTE]None of them. Most have better looking gals, but the performance is hit and miss, and never really the PSE experience that you have at those three.
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[QUOTE=TConor;1462832]Offers what Cherry, Mango, Snowwhite, and Tulips does?[/QUOTE]None of them. Most have better looking gals, but the performance is hit and miss, and never really the PSE experience that you have at those three.
[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1461611]Ice then in the evening: I know her since quite a time and I like her. This time, her service was to nervous for my taste: She would not remain steady for one activity, changing positions, techniques, etc. Then she kept on chatting and chatting distrcting me from the issue. I don't think I would repeat any more, not because her age and looks about which there has been said here enough, but because of the service which was not up to the former experiences.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of an experience I had with Ice a couple weeks ago.
Youth is not important to me. I greatly prefer an experienced older lady to an inexperienced younger lady. I've been reading about Ice for a while, so decided to book a session with her. Unfortunately she was busy at the time I wanted, so I scheduled for after she was finished. After I made the appointment I kept wondering if it was a good idea. Wouldn't she be too tired to do well if she'd just had a session? In the end I decided to keep the appointment, hoping that she was such a pro it wouldn't matter if I was the second (third? Fourth?) of the day.
So I arrive at the appointment and go to the room with her. She immediately leaves to get her kit and I sit there waiting for quite a long time. 5 or so minutes. The room has some sweet smelling incense burning which I don't really like. I'm not into incense and am wondering why they have it burning. I've been to Mango before and they didn't do this. Was the customer before me a smoker or something?
Ice comes back to the room, and I point out the incense to her and ask if we can switch rooms. She replies with "Okay, you no like me. No problem. You can go." I tell her that I do like her. I just want a room that doesn't smell like incense. We have a brief conversation during which she says "You don't like me" something like 4 or 5 times and doesn't seem to hear when I say I do like her. She starts talking about upselling me to a VIP room for extra money. Then she turned it into moving to a VIP room, but she would pay the extra charge. It took about 2 minutes talking to her to realize she's kind of crazy. How could I like or dislike her after spending only a few seconds around her? She looked just fine.
After she kept telling me that I didn't like her, I got the hint. She was either very insecure or wanted to get rid of me. I wasn't about to waste my money on a session with somebody more interested in getting rid of me than getting me off. I told her flat out that she was acting crazy, put on my shoes, and we left. While she was walking me out she seemed fairly relieved. She said "I have booking too much."
I guess I should have gone with my initial impulse to cancel the appointment. She acted burnt out and neurotic from the beginning. I'm glad I got out of there.
Body? (Hard to say. Never saw her undressed.)
Face 5 (Not an issue. I was after her experience, not her face.)
Attitude 1.
Technique? (No idea)
I left Mango, went to Cherry and had another session with Candy. It was a great time. She's a good lady with a very pleasant attitude. A bit chubby, which isn't a problem for me, but will turn off some people.
I haven't had much luck with Mango in general. I'll try other MPs for a while.
[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1462956]So I arrive at the appointment and go to the room with her. She immediately leaves to get her kit and I sit there waiting for quite a long time. 5 or so minutes. The room has some sweet smelling incense burning which I don't really like. I'm not into incense and am wondering why they have it burning. I've been to Mango before and they didn't do this. Was the customer before me a smoker or something?
Ice comes back to the room, and I point out the incense to her and ask if we can switch rooms. She replies with "Okay, you no like me. No problem. You can go." I tell her that I do like her. I just want a room that doesn't smell like incense. We have a brief conversation during which she says "You don't like me" something like 4 or 5 times and doesn't seem to hear when I say I do like her. She starts talking about upselling me to a VIP room for extra money. Then she turned it into moving to a VIP room, but she would pay the extra charge. It took about 2 minutes talking to her to realize she's kind of crazy. How could I like or dislike her after spending only a few seconds around her? She looked just fine.[/QUOTE]Patience man! 5 mins is like a split second in "Thai time".
Its unfortunate. I am a guy that often has a somewhat deadpan look and Thais may interpret that I am in a bad mood. But actually am just relaxed and chilling out. Would be great if all the girls had the same relaxed and chilled out style, especially for you and me. After they get to know you, all should be well, but sometimes they are too worried initially.
Maybe Ice is a bit too hyper for you or I. Some other girl may be nicely chilled out and going with the flow. Even a lazy girl can sometimes be better for me than one that is just too hyper, or too much of a bullshit artist, or too fidgety, to changeable, etc.
I recently was not happy with Vodka as she could not relax, go slowly, and kept changing what she was doing, perhaps searching for something to change my deadpan look.
Good Morning,
Do you offer in your establishment also "open" BJ? It means that I can get the service in some area where other ladies and / or customers can have a look on me?
This would be a great chance also for you to compete with SOL or Kangaroo.
Regards.
FV
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1460682]Looks like a new dedicated Prostrate Massage place is coming soon.
"Analisa Massage" opening on 6th Sept it seems, somewhere on Sukhumvit Soi 22.
I like the name, clever.[/QUOTE]This place sounds like it holds some promise as a Rin or Akane alternative. Please keep us updated.
SL
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor; 1463017]Good Morning,
Do you offer in your establishment also "open" BJ? It means that I can get the service in some area where other ladies and / or customers can have a look on me?
This would be a great chance also for you to compete with SOL or Kangaroo.
Regards.
FV[/QUOTE]Hi,
I don't offer the kind of service you are looking for unfortunately. This area has changed quite a bit with respect to what bars can get away with. For example to the best of my knowledge there are no "real" ping pong shows around here anymore. Because of their location we don't really compete with SOL or Kangaroo, at least not directly. Unless someone can shed some light on the subject I think you will need to go to Patpong for this kind of service.
Regards,
BJ
[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1462956]This reminds me of an experience I had with Ice a couple weeks ago.
Youth is not important to me. I greatly prefer an experienced older lady to an inexperienced younger lady. I've been reading about Ice for a while, so decided to book a session with her. Unfortunately she was busy at the time I wanted, so I scheduled for after she was finished. After I made the appointment I kept wondering if it was a good idea. Wouldn't she be too tired to do well if she'd just had a session? In the end I decided to keep the appointment, hoping that she was such a pro it wouldn't matter if I was the second (third? Fourth?) of the day.
So I arrive at the appointment and go to the room with her. She immediately leaves to get her kit and I sit there waiting for quite a long time. 5 or so minutes. The room has some sweet smelling incense burning which I don't really like. I'm not into incense and am wondering why they have it burning. I've been to Mango before and they didn't do this...[/QUOTE]"I have booking too much" statement is the key to this issue. My guess is that she was just exhausted or in pain and could not take anymore. I have had a working "GF" for about 8 months and have a unique insight as to how some of the shops work and how the ladies are treated. The average day including travel time is 11-12 hours, six days a week. If there is a holiday where alcohol cannot be served the day off is cancelled and everyone works. Some of the ladies arrive at the shop at 9:30 to make buddha and have to stay until 23:00. If a customer comes in just before they leave they have to stay over. Sometimes a customer want them for all night and they have to go. If they are sick and want to go home they have to pay. Leave at 21:00 and it costs 1000 baht. Two "period" days a month cost 1500 baht each. A full day off cost 3000 baht. So a lot of the ladies that are sick just tough it out so they don't have to pay. They also have to pay the shop for the "privilege" of working there but that is another story.
Fucking four or five men a day can be hard work and I don't know how they do it. Another aspect is that the ladies are often in pain from rough or prolonged sex. My "GF" told me of a man that fucked her continuously for two hours and also about one (outcall) that wanted some type of continuous sex for over four hours. Some of these women are small and getting pounded hard with a big dick that hits their uterus hurts. I know of instances where they were bleeding from rough anal sex (big dick or jamming four fingers into their ass) , choked when giving a blowjob by someone forcing their head into their crotch, etc. The list goes on. I think we get remarkable service from these women and need to have a little empathy and understanding when there is a problem.
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor; 1463017]Good Morning,
Do you offer in your establishment also "open" BJ? It means that I can get the service in some area where other ladies and / or customers can have a look on me?
This would be a great chance also for you to compete with SOL or Kangaroo.
Regards.
FV[/QUOTE]You can't get it anywhere except in SOL. I one did it with a mate and 3 girls with girls being interchanged. While my mate was on the barstool, I was on the sofa. And another guy was in the next sofa with 2 more girls. It is huge turn on to have 5 naked girls, while getting sucked you way to glory with cold beer on hand dude. Hahahaha
[QUOTE=AssLover945;1463483]You can't get it anywhere except in SOL. I one did it with a mate and 3 girls with girls being interchanged. While my mate was on the barstool, I was on the sofa. And another guy was in the next sofa with 2 more girls. It is huge turn on to have 5 naked girls, while getting sucked you way to glory with cold beer on hand dude. Hahahaha[/QUOTE]SOL maybe the only place to have full sex in the public bar but there were Cowboy bars where could at least get BJ. Toy Bar and one other (forget the name) for example, although perhaps my experience is too long ago.
[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1462956]I've been reading about Ice for a while, so decided to book a session with her. Unfortunately she was busy at the time I wanted, so I scheduled for after she was finished.
She replies with "Okay, you no like me. No problem. You can go."
I guess I should have gone with my initial impulse to cancel the appointment. She acted burnt out and neurotic from the beginning. I'm glad I got out of there.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Nakbin; 1463411]"I have booking too much" statement is the key to this issue. My guess is that she was just exhausted or in pain and could not take anymore.
Fucking four or five men a day can be hard work and I don't know how they do it. Another aspect is that the ladies are often in pain from rough or prolonged sex.
I think we get remarkable service from these women and need to have a little empathy and understanding when there is a problem.[/QUOTE]Thank you Nakbin for clearly explaining the working conditions of the typical MP girl. Your girl friend confirms what I've always thought these ladies must cope with. One thing I conclude from your post is that it is wise to look for a lady who looks eager to go with you and avoid booking a lady who has just finished with one client. As Ice has been in the business for a long time it's understandable why she acted burnt out and neurotic. If she's around forty she's probably been subjected to this for half her life.
As a woman ages the walls of her vagina become thinner and are more easily injured from vigorous vaginal sex. I remember many decades ago taking an elective sociology course in "social deviancy." In the unit on prostitution I read that "common prostitutes" who have several clients a day prefer giving the johns a BJ to save the wear and tear on their bodies. I suspect this is one reason some ladies work in the BJ bars. Sucking off a dozen guys a day is much easier than 5 two-hour sessions a day with guys who are hell bent on giving them a "hard pounding."
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1464121]Thank you Nakbin for clearly explaining the working conditions of the typical MP girl. Your girl friend confirms what I've always thought these ladies must cope with. One thing I conclude from your post is that it is wise to look for a lady who looks eager to go with you and avoid booking a lady who has just finished with one client. As Ice has been in the business for a long time it's understandable why she acted burnt out and neurotic. If she's around forty she's probably been subjected to this for half her life.
As a woman ages the walls of her vagina become thinner and are more easily injured from vigorous vaginal sex. I remember many decades ago taking an elective sociology course in "social deviancy." In the unit on prostitution I read that "common prostitutes" who have several clients a day prefer giving the johns a BJ to save the wear and tear on their bodies. I suspect this is one reason some ladies work in the BJ bars. Sucking off a dozen guys a day is much easier than 5 two-hour sessions a day with guys who are hell bent on giving them a "hard pounding."[/QUOTE]I don't think it's fair to generalize about what's typical from anecdotal stories like this. Because people usually talk about the bad stuff, and they don't say much when everything goes well.
It's like picking up a newspaper and getting a false impression that your city is full of crime, because the newspaper reporters deliberatly looked for the worst stories they could find and didn't report anything that went well.
I've recently spent some time among personal care workers who didn't have much to do and were gossiping a lot. They kept talking about all the bad incidents they've had with their clients going back not just months but years. And they were talking about it, as if it happened only yesterday, because they've been telling the same stories so many times over the years that they've learned to tell them really, really well.
When something bad or unpleasant happens, then it's normal for people to remember it for a long time and keep talking about it. But they keep talking about it because it's so unusual that it's interesting for people to hear and not because this is their typical experience.
Also, the thinning of vagina usually happens as a result of menopause and not gradually as a result of aging. For most women, menopause happens around 45-50 years of age. Their bodies decrease production of sex hormones, and this adversely affects the parts of their body that depend on those hormones, including vagina.
[QUOTE=Dan7373; 1464138]I don't think it's fair to generalize about what's typical from anecdotal stories like this.
Also, the thinning of vagina usually happens as a result of menopause and not gradually as a result of aging. For most women, menopause happens around 45-50 years of age. Their bodies decrease production of sex hormones, and this adversely affects the parts of their body that depend on those hormones, including vagina.[/QUOTE]Dan,
An anecdotal story is "A story based on casual observations or indications." Nakbin was describing his girlfriend's account of what it is like to work in an MP. Unless it is fabricated, this is an account by a sex worker of the working conditions in a Bangkok MP. As such, it is not an anecdotal story; and considering the details about the hours worked, fees due to the MP, details that are common practices, I'm inclined to believe his story. It is consistent with what I learned over forty years ago in my class readings about prostitution; and it is consistent with what sex workers I have know over the years have told me.
If you read through the old posts on this thread, you will come across a post about a conversation an ISG member had with Apple about how she was weary of how her reputation encouraged too many clients to be too rough with her too often. As I recall, she remarked that she really didn't enjoy having several fingers simultaneously inserted in her ass. Surprise, surprise! A fairly recent post commented that Ploy does not do a-level with every client. I believe the person writing the post speculated this was due to discomfort from previous sessions or the size of the current client's cock. Pain or a fear of pain is the reason Ploy is selective when and with whom she offers her ass.
Scour the internet and you will find unedited, real time videos of the shooting of porn videos. There is one in which Kobe Tai is doing a threesome with anal. Watch it and notice how slowly and carefully the male actors initiate penetration. Listen to the female director imploring them to proceed slowly. Watch the grimace on Kobe's face when one actor begins trying to penetrate her rectum. It's not very sexy so none of this makes it into the edited version with audio dub that gets distributed for viewing.
Bottom line, Nakbin's post confirms common sense, that on days these girls see several clients and some of them get rough, their performance declines as the day wears on. I'm merely suggesting we look at the situation from the perspective of the sex worker.
As for my statement about the thinning of the walls of a woman's vagina, I am not a medical doctor. I am repeating something a doctor I used to date told me, and that is that by the times a woman is in her twenties, the thinning of the vaginal walls, called vaginal atrophy, which is caused by reductions in estrogen levels, begins. Menopause causes a dramatic change in estrogen levels and therefor extreme vaginal atrophy, so extreme that intercourse can be very painful and cause vaginal tearing in some women. However, anything that reduces estrogen levels, such as pregnancy, lactation and a woman's menstrual cycle will cause the walls to temporarily thin. By the time a woman is in her thirties she is considered perimenopausal, her estrogen levels will begin to show a gradual decline and the vaginal walls will begin to permanently thin.
Paul
Stop with the anal guys. The anus was not made for commercial use. LOL. Perhaps the girls should give the guy anal first by offering to stick a pencil up the guys asshole. LOL.
Question. Why don't girls just stop the rough pounding. Just say no! They are in the mp venue not in the privacy of the guys hotel room, they could scream "fuck off you bastard", I'm sure help would be on its way. LOL.
Whenever I bring a girl to my room if they don't want to do something they just say so. And we don't do it.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1463753]SOL maybe the only place to have full sex in the public bar but there were Cowboy bars where could at least get BJ. Toy Bar and one other (forget the name) for example, although perhaps my experience is too long ago.[/QUOTE]In "After School" in Soi Cowboy, you can get a public BJ in the naughty boys corner.
[QUOTE=Dan7373;1464138]I don't think it's fair to generalize about what's typical from anecdotal stories like this. Because people usually talk about the bad stuff, and they don't say much when everything goes well.[/QUOTE]Why is that some guys concentrate on negative stories? I get accused on hyping up some girl, merely when I report that everything went exceedingly well. LOL
On the other topic:
I think the bar girls working sex life is somewhat better as many are not getting BFed every night and some do only 1 customer per night. The ones that do many customers are hoping for a 5 min quickie. Contrast this with a Tulip or Cherry girl, like Vodka, who had to take a pounding from 3 customers before I arrived at 4:30PM. Its hardly surprising that she wasn't up to scratch at the start of that session but managed to improve later. I would have been far better to take her first booking I am sure.
Despite some guys refusing to do bar girls, some of them are fucking fantastic, IMHO. My last girl at Dollhouse had a fabulous ass and was a fabulous fuck, and enthusiastic (I took her very early in the night). I could imagine booking her on successive days for LT easily.
Sorry this is MP thread but just pointing out bar girls can be the fresh girl alternative with much less wear and tear.