Manila

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1224582]Due to my damn immigration papers of which I was not able to go to angeles city as planned, so stay in Manila waiting like an assholes everyday for the approval. So last night, I txt margie to meet me at Mall of Asia. Feeling like a gf / bf at the mall, chating, eating outside and then end up a night together again. As I want to be away from Mabini area so we stay at China town, Lido de paris hotel. Room rate P2000 incl of 2 breakfast, nice room and newly renovated. As usual start with long good kissing, full night of sex. Before we left in the next day, I sneak P2000 in her pocket, but she declined to take it and later insisted to return p1000 to me. She said, it is not a sex for pay. This is different from the first night we have been together.

Well, my instinct tell me that it is better to pay than to pay more later on. I think, need to scrap her from my mine, just keep mongering around will be the best idea.

I think if my papers will be approved tommorrow, then I may stay a night in AC or else stict manila this time.

Cheers,

MD[/QUOTE]Don't be so fast to dump Margie. If she wants to be your gf for a day or two at times for nothing more than meals, let her. Not every filipina is in it for the piso. Buy her some flowers or cheap lingerie. Pay for the meals, drinks, and movie tix.

[QUOTEsc\=Sxxxx; 1224521]Which begs the question, with a closing sentence like that, where did you graduate from? [/QUOTE\ [I.

A bad public school in Illinois. I guess you didn't get it.

I'm writing this with a heavy heart and a bit tears in my eyes. I never ever thought it would come to this. Excuse to all senior and newbie members alike. Read at your own risk. And sorry for the long post. This is my 7th day here and already, the frustration is beginning to creep in like never before. Mind you. I'm from India a country more poorer and worse than PH as many of you know. So my expectations of everything are way way low in life but the beggers here in the PH have overtaken the Indian beggars by leaps and bounds. You know what I'm talking about. The educated filipina beggar who lives beyond her means compared to the real poor illiterate beggar in India. I'm a two week millionaire. I saved for two yrs and intended to live here for a yr like before. But everything seems to have changed or the place have grown over me or I'm beginning to think more through my brain than dick as I grow older.

Where to start. I'm still searching for a condo that reflects the price. 15000 php 19 m2 condo, where I can't even stretch my legs. Plus 2000 pesos association dues. I have seen dozens of condos and it look like my dogs house back home. So small and the asking price is for a star hotel. What are these guys thinking. They write the ads as if they are selling dream condos but in reality its a doghouse. Guess last time luck was on my side. The first condo I saw I took it. Never had to go through so many sell offs to see how condos look like in Manila.

Second, The taxi rip off. I know we talked it a lot. Even in India, they rip you off. But if you make small talk and seem friendly to the taxi driver and sit in front. They don't usually rip you off as we seem to built a connection. But here. If you talk to a taxi driver. They rip you off more by not giving back the change plus stop you at petrol station but not switch off the meter plus always a silly excuse of traffic BS.

Third, Beware. The FOOD. The dreaded awful food from hell. Filipino, Chinese, thai, Indian, Japanese or tribal or raw. They are all cooked by Filipino chef and don't know what goes in their minds. I almost puked at their Chinese and korean foods. Its none of them and does not matter. Whatever you eat. They all taste bad. And this is coming from an Indian guy. Who eats smelly curry. We have 1000 varieties of food. And yet Filipinos seems to beat us in some of the smelly stuff they make. PLUS the price they charge for small quantities of food is really a crime.

Fourth, ahhh the women for that we are all here for. Now earlier, it wasn't so bad, it was manageable but now. The starting price for a rip off scam is 4000 pesos, bar fine 4000 pesos, DIA date and begging for baby, mother died, sick buffalo on a first date with or without sex is 4000 pesos. I met a very educated girl from Filipina heart the other day. She was really really sophisticated, very charming, never asked for money etc etc her family was well off too. AT FIRST. She sold me all her good qualities and I fell for it and when she knew I'm all over her. She asked for money just for few days which she will return as her friend got into some trouble. Thinking about how she is. I gave her and like a love sick fool I'm texting her all day never to hear from her again. I never thought the girls in the PH would fall this low for money. They are now going for the kill. They are behaving more like animals for money than human beings. I'm an average guy and I would generally tip more to get away from the bad image indians have all over the world.

If you give your hand they will take away your arms and legs too. The desperation here is sickening, even though they are better than 80% of Indians. It got me thinking today. What if I was in their shoes. 'because I came from a poor background lived in ghettos before my father made it. Yet I wouldn't have done things that they did to me for money. There is a rip off in India BUT then there is a RIP OFF in Ph that just sickens my mind even when these girls have so many options. They are for god sake educated. Filipnas think in their minds that they are the most beautiful on earth but they are even worse looking than Indian women yet demand higher price for everything.

Ohh and I forgot. The constant suspicion in bar's and restaurants of giving me the check bin even before I finished eating and drinking. And one guy following me to the loo as if I'm going to escape before paying the bill. This was the final nail in my soul. As if I'm an escaped animal from zoo. Everywhere I go they disrespect me. But they expect me to respect them all the time. Frankly, now I'm scared of all filipina women bars girls to regular girls alike I don't know when they will put their claws in my heart and suck away the money instead of my soul which would have felt better. In India. The rip offs are in your face, there is a chance to get out of it. Here, you will not have any clue untill you are well and truly in her web. Now I know, why many western men. Loose their home and money to filipinas after a while. They just don't see it coming. Its really very subtle here.

What a loser fool I'm to come with my dick mind and be charitable. I should just go back to my animal instinct and treat these wHo*res as B*ctehes. Everything is fucking fake here just like back home. The smile, the talk, the so called respect. Its just to put you into their claws to later suck your hard earned money away. The only difference from home is its more subtle and sophisticated but its still is FAKE AND RIP OFF. Few more days to decide and then I'm packing my bags to Thailand and spend rest of my money away. Where I know already that. I will be treated like a trash because of being Indian. So I will be much more careful there. Adios Amigos.

[QUOTE=Slippery; 1224742][QUOTE=Sxxxx; 1224521]Which begs the question, with a closing sentence like that, where did you graduate from? [/QUOTE]

[I. A bad public school in Illinois.[/QUOTE]"Bad public school", explains your lack of class, and poor English, in your unwarranted negative post, aimed at fellow monger, McD.

At least you know yourself, viz, you call yourself : Slippery, LOL.

Starchild:

While I feel your pain I think it's probably an overreaction to the sudden concantenation of recent, unpleasant experiences. There are a few things I can suggest that might change your perspective somewhat:

1. Stop comparing this place to India. First, your "India is poorer" assumption is incorrect by quite a wide margin. I forget the comparitive per capita GDP figures, but it's not even close. The fact is that India, for all its problems, is a country with a rapidly expanding economy and it's clearly moving in the right direction. Relative to other SE Asian economies, the only direction this place moves is down;

2. Find a better class of women with whom to hang out and stop worrying about getting laid the first time you lay eyes on them. Cultivate some actual relationships with ladies who appeal to you and whom you meet in stores, in malls, in "normal" clubs, at restaurants or wherever. While you're cultivating these relationships, go to MBC to get laid; no muss, no fuss, and the price is well-established;

3. Remember that Manila is hardly representative of the country. Get out and explore some other places-come to Davao for a while, or CDO, of Cebu or wherever you want. Read the board and pick a place that sounds interesting and go there. The prices will be lower, the ladies just as fine (and with lower expectations by and large) , the air will be fresher, and the people in general will be nicer.

4. Remember that you're going through a predictable cycle. This place is neither as edenic as it appeared during your first trip, not as deplorable as it seems now. The truth is much more balanced and more nuanced.

5. Though the native cuisine here is the worst I've seen outside of the UK, there are plenty of very good restaurants in Manila, and especially in Makati. Granted I've never had decent Chinese food here, but I've had wonderful Italian, French and Thai cuisine albeit in fairly upscale restaurants.

6. I don't know what kinds of places you're frequenting, but I can honestly say I've never been followed to a men's room, been given the check before I finished, or been treated with the suspicion that I might try to sneak away. Get yourself to a better class of establishment, and if you're not going to do that, then confront the guy who is giving you the early check or following you to the toilet, or whatever.

Take a deep breath and reassess, then start planning instead of merely reacting.

GE

SC: Listen to GE, the wise sage of the PI section of this board. As a general rule, the farther you get from Manila, the better it gets. People are friendlier, costs are lower, scammers less common, vendors less aggressive, taxis more honest etc etc etc. Certainly the air and water are cleaner and the depressing filth and stench of Ermita can be washed off.

There are LOADS of sweet Filipinas in the provinces that are honest and won't fleece you. Beware relying too much on the online dating sites; once you get out in the provinces, regular girls who work in shops (ie have jobs!) are a better target group to find a honeykothan those trolling online who are usually looking to make a Piso or two for their time. The best ones won't even have yahoo messenger or a cellphone! Expensive cellphone=trouble.

You are eating in the wrong places. You can eat very well in Manila. NOT Filipino food. EVER. No need.

Try to turn a negative into a positive, make lemonade out of sour lemons. Being asked to pay as you go avoids check padding which is a good thing! If you immediately pay for any order you will avoid the hurt feelings of them distrusting you.

And buying property in the PI is NOT a wise investment. NOTHING in the PI is a safe investment (even Smart and Globe may eventually face foreign competition).

The PI is a punters paradise, a place to spend money. Trying to earn it there is a risky proposition (unless you are the government business LOL).

So instead of dropping anchor in the most polluted harbor, and Subic is no better, set sail around the archipelago's more than 7, 000 islands. Scratch Luzon off your search zone entirely. Go South man, to Tamil Nadu (I mean Visayas LOL). First stop should be Leyte, the motherlode of GFE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1224865]Starchild:

While I feel your pain I think it's probably an overreaction to the sudden concantenation of recent, unpleasant experiences. There are a few things I can suggest that might change your perspective somewhat:

1. Stop comparing this place to India. First, your "India is poorer" assumption is incorrect by quite a wide margin. I forget the comparitive per capita GDP figures, but it's not even close. The fact is that India, for all its problems, is a country with a rapidly expanding economy and it's clearly moving in the right direction. Relative to other SE Asian economies, the only direction this place moves is down;

2. Find a better class of women with whom to hang out and stop worrying about getting laid the first time you lay eyes on them. Cultivate some actual relationships with ladies who appeal to you and whom you meet in stores, in malls, in "normal" clubs, at restaurants or wherever. While you're cultivating these relationships, go to MBC to get laid; no muss, no fuss, and the price is well-established;

3. Remember that Manila is hardly representative of the country. Get out and explore some other places-come to Davao for a while, or CDO, of Cebu or wherever you want. Read the board and pick a place that sounds interesting and go there. The prices will be lower, the ladies just as fine (and with lower expectations by and large) , the air will be fresher, and the people in general will be nicer.

4. Remember that you're going through a predictable cycle. This place is neither as edenic as it appeared during your first trip, not as deplorable as it seems now. The truth is much more balanced and more nuanced.

5. Though the native cuisine here is the worst I've seen outside of the UK, there are plenty of very good restaurants in Manila, and especially in Makati. Granted I've never had decent Chinese food here, but I've had wonderful Italian, French and Thai cuisine albeit in fairly upscale restaurants.

6. I don't know what kinds of places you're frequenting, but I can honestly say I've never been followed to a men's room, been given the check before I finished, or been treated with the suspicion that I might try to sneak away. Get yourself to a better class of establishment, and if you're not going to do that, then confront the guy who is giving you the early check or following you to the toilet, or whatever.

Take a deep breath and reassess, then start planning instead of merely reacting.

GE[/QUOTE]I guess India is India and Phi is Phi. You cannot compare all countries according to your expectations of how you should be treated etc. This guy came to Phi for girls. Like anywhere there are decent and scammer girls. It is all live and learn more like a learning curve. Do not come to Phi complaining about everything A-Z. When you move frome one country to the other whether short time or long you need to have a flexible attitude. Not everything is going to be hunky dory.

There are excelent restaurents in Manila including Chinese. Chinese food is prepared differently in different countries according to local taste. You would not find Indian or American Chinese food everywhere. I found Korean food also decent in Manila.

But in smaller places like AC the food was not great. I have met friendly girls as well as scammers. Leave the scammers and develop a friendly relation with others. Remember that they are in it for money. Do not expect they will be your fuckbuddies without anything in return. Those things only happen in western world. Even here some gifts are appreciated. I doubt very much people follow you to the rest room thinking you will escape without paying. Ofcourse they will stop you if you forget to pay. I have gone outside restaurent to talk on the phone and nobody followed me thinking I am running out without paying.

If this guy is very unhappy in Philippines the best advice I can give him is go back home and never come back.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1224736]Don't be so fast to dump Margie. If she wants to be your gf for a day or two at times for nothing more than meals, let her. Not every filipina is in it for the piso. Buy her some flowers or cheap lingerie. Pay for the meals, drinks, and movie tix.[/QUOTE]Hi West coast 1,

Thanks for your advise. You are right, Margie is not a regular of MBC, she invited me to meet her sister and also she is really applying her job for overseas. She want to be away from this place and I think her previous unsuccessful life of meeting a wrong guy that get her pregnant has been a deep wound of her. She not even letting this guy to know he has fathered her child. It is sometime a sad stories that I can feel her story is true.

This is also one thing that I want to let her know I am a person can not be trusted or expected to married her or give her a family. I respect this girl, so sorry for those that send me pm asking for her number. I can not share this one, since it will be meaningless for my respect on her and I will become a liability for her to be get out of this place.

Cheers,

MD

Starchild,

I see the Illuminati frustrated your efforts to drain your precious bodily fluids. You have experienced great frustration and angst in your quest for sexual release. Now your senses are becoming more aware of the reality of searching for sex, love and companionship in one of the Third World's megacities. As in any gigantic slum, people tend to cast off the cloak of civility and revert to their animal nature. It's all about survival in the jungle of poverty. Filipinas are possibly the world's most predatory women. The sweetness and docile loving demeanor are all an act to draw your wallet within striking range. Never let your heart get into it. When you show kindness and charity they see it as weakness. Many foreign men visiting and residing on a long term basis have learned to limit interaction with the local population. Others deal with the Filipinas by giving them nothing more than cash for ass. They make it through the sea of lies and deceit by keeping a cold heart and a hard dick. The more ruthless ones go native and use the girls' tactics against them. In other words, they promise them whatever it takes to fill all of their orifices with sperm then seem to mysteriously vanish without any of the promises materializing.

When asked why many of their countrywomen have no shame in asking foreign men for cash, Filipinas often reply it is because they do not respect foreigners and think that they can be easily fooled. So, there you go. Open up your wallet and be taken for a fool. Read Dragon Slayer's forum, you will see his post about a Filipina who actually blamed him for being foolish enough to send her money. The behavior goes beyond ingratitude. If they were only ungrateful for your charity it would not be so bad but being considered a fool for giving it to them in the first place is even worse.

Keep in mind that the holiday season is now here and Filipinas' predatory nature goes into overdrive to get money to buy those high priced consumer electronics way out of their income bracket. Most seasoned mongers disappear from the Philippines and online during this period of joyful fleecing. You might want to put your Indian entrepreneurial spirit to work and turn their intense greed for cash during this time to your advantage. You should bargain hard and go for short time release instead of the typical fake GFE. Since you've already expended unrecoverable cash in traveling to the Philippines perhaps you should try to salvage your trip first. However, I certainly wouldn't blame you if you decided to flee with what remains of your fleece.

"Few more days to decide and then I'm packing my bags to Thailand and spend rest of my money away. Where I know already that. I will be treated like a trash because of being Indian. So I will be much more careful there. Adios Amigos."

Starchild,

I know that your post was a vent resulting from a confluence of hassles. I don't think I can add anything substantive to the very sage advice given by GE and Surfer in regards to the Phils. My questions to you is why do you want to spend your hard earned money in a place where you're treated like trash? Big deal some putas in the Phils and Thailand do not care for Indians. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find mongering destinations in Asia and elsewhere where you will be treated with consideration and respect. Brazil is one that comes to mind, unless of course you like being treated like trash.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1224956]Starchild.

Never let your heart get into it. When you show kindness and charity they see it as weakness. Others deal with the Filipinas by giving them nothing more than cash for ass. They make it through the sea of lies and deceit by keeping a cold heart and a hard dick. The more ruthless ones go native and use the girls' tactics against them. In other words, they promise them whatever it takes to fill all of their orifices with sperm then seem to mysteriously vanish without any of the promises materializing.[/QUOTE]Master Monger, Chocha, you are one of few wise Sages on this Forum.

We bow before ye, in honour and respect, for guiding us ever forward to our next pussy assignment. Definitely a report of Distinction, but alas the doomsayers will come forward and deride you, in the hopes of elevating themselves. Not so, for there is only Master monger of your calibre, willing to ignore the stone throwers, sacrifice ones self esteem and ego, for the benefit of the monger masses. Continue on with your good work. We enjoy reading your philosophical approach, to a mostly unphilosophical subject, viz, drilling the cunning, wily, and friendly Filipinas, LOL.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012; 1224852]I'm writing this with a heavy heart and a bit tears in my eyes.

I have seen dozens of condos and it look like my dogs house back home.

Second, The taxi rip off. They rip you off more by not giving back the change plus stop you at petrol station but not switch off the meter plus always a silly excuse of traffic BS.

Third, Beware. The FOOD. The dreaded awful food from hell. And this is coming from an Indian guy. Who eats smelly curry.

Fourth, I gave her and like a love sick fool I'm texting her all day never to hear from her again. I never thought the girls in the PH would fall this low for money. They are now going for the kill. They are behaving more like animals for money than human beings.

If you give your hand they will take away your arms and legs too.

Ohh and I forgot. The constant suspicion in bar's and restaurants of giving me the check bin even before I finished eating and drinking. And one guy following me to the loo as if I'm going to escape before paying the bill. This was the final nail in my soul. As if I'm an escaped animal from zoo. Everywhere I go they disrespect me.

What a loser fool I'm to come with my dick mind and be charitable. Few more days to decide and then I'm packing my bags to Thailand and spend rest of my money away. Where I know already that. I will be treated like a trash because of being Indian. So I will be much more careful there. Adios Amigos.[/QUOTE]Wow, sounds like it's pretty rough being a Hondu in Manila. I also had tears in my eyes while reading this hilarious report. Good luck in Thailand Swami.

I suspect that the general characterization of Filipinas a "predatory women" is being argued strongly by part-time tourists; by guys who don't live here. Those of us who do take, I think, a slightly more nuanced view of the female population. This isn't meant to disparage anyone's point of view, but the fact is that guys who meet women by trolling the Internet, hitting P4P bars or searching dating sites don't really get to meet a slightly higher class of woman. I mean, what do you expect from women who get naked and start sucking you off within an hour of meeting you? Are these the sorts of women that you would "take home to mama" if you met them in your own country? Why assume it's any different here?

The fact is, there are lots of caring, giving Filipinas, interested in more than 2 hours of bed-time frollicking, and they're easy to meet if you raise your sights slightly. I'm not disparaging anyone who looks to score as many women in as short a time as possible, but why be surprised when the women you find are driven by greed, in much the same way you're driven to put another notch in your belt?

GE

Starchild, you need to smarten up. You sound like a total pussy. 'Tears in your eyes' etc. No real monger talks like that. Stop thinking and start fucking. Too bad this is cyberspace otherwise I'd throw my shoes at yah. A smelly pair too!

GE offers intelligent advice as always, but it comes from living there. But who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit, with the child support, the lawyers and alimony. No way. No fucking way. Thats why we come to the Phils. We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. To hell with western civilization. And I actually have to spell this out?

First job of a monger is to deplane with a hard cock. And spring into action. Forget 'we are the world'. Start humping and hoin'. Busting sphincters, massive loads deposited etc. When the trip is over, we go back to civilization and assume that false mantle of respectability. Some of us don't even do that. We get back and immediately get into cyber wars with charlatans like Surfer while we rebuild our bank accounts and get ready for the next trip. Shallow? Sure! Give a fuck? Nah! Predictable? Fuck yeah!

Don

[QUOTE=Dashing Don;1225077]We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed.[/QUOTE]I could not have said it better. Welcome back DD. Good to see somebody other than CM making sense on this board.