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[QUOTE=PgReal;2822410]Embedded with pearls / injections refer to 'modified penis' or probably more specifically no piercing's, rings, studs etc.

Things to do, I am not sure but I am not sure what context it is written in? Is it just saying for example 'I will do the following' or "won't do the following'?

Regards.[/QUOTE]It will usually say something like "I do not accept things to do. " Not many other context clues other than that it has only shown up in the prohibited list.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822413]These are all refering to the same things.

Number one is some pearls that the Thai guys insert under the skin of their dick, presumably to give more pleasure to the girls.

Number 2 is a variant of number 1.

Number 3 is something they inject under the skin of their dicks.

All these are refering to Thai customers, I doubt any foreigner do these kind of work on their dicks.[/QUOTE]Fascinating. I assumed injections meant tattoos. Hadn't even considered that these could be penile body mods. Thanks.

It's 1030 pm and decided to visit Nana Plaza (first time) - started off at Billboard after hearing reports it was the best. Really full but for some reason not that many girls vs guys. And of the female talent could not see much to keep me interested.

Then tried out Butterflies and Rainbow 5 but they were Both seriously dead. Hardly any customers inside and no buzz to the place.

On my observation, Geisha was soooo busy. Tons of girls both outside and inside.

The prettiest girl I saw for the night was a bar girl on the ground floor bar called Lollipops. I would have gone and bought a drink there but I had just arrived at Nana Plaza and had to check out the bars. When I came back after my visits she was gone!

So now walked 200 m down the road to get a legit foot massage. Might venture to Soi Cowboy after this and then try out Thermae at midnight. Followed by Sugar.

Tried finding a date for tonight on Thai Friendly in the last minute to no avail. Maybe I will get one of these street girls to go out to the club with me later.

[QUOTE=Seckies74;2822446]It's 1030 pm and decided to visit Nana Plaza (first time) - started off at Billboard after hearing reports it was the best. Really full but for some reason not that many girls vs guys. And of the female talent could not see much to keep me interested.

Then tried out Butterflies and Rainbow 5 but they were Both seriously dead. Hardly any customers inside and no buzz to the place.

On my observation, Geisha was soooo busy. Tons of girls both outside and inside.

The prettiest girl I saw for the night was a bar girl on the ground floor bar called Lollipops. I would have gone and bought a drink there but I had just arrived at Nana Plaza and had to check out the bars. When I came back after my visits she was gone!

So now walked 200 m down the road to get a legit foot massage. Might venture to Soi Cowboy after this and then try out Thermae at midnight. Followed by Sugar.

Tried finding a date for tonight on Thai Friendly in the last minute to no avail. Maybe I will get one of these street girls to go out to the club with me later.[/QUOTE]I tend to avoid the big clubs and go to the smaller type bars and order a beer and most times the mama would send a girl to sit with you and start chatting. 2 drink later for both of us and its ST for 2,000 total. This one bar had a room in the back, got lucky with a tall Korean / Thai mix looks face a 6+ and body 8+ slim with natural be / see cups and tight pussy, she came multiple times and was making so much noise that the manager had to knock on the door several times HAHA. Another bar was just a 3 minute walk from my hotel and the Thai girl was maybe mid 20's, slim petite darker skinned though face a 6+, body 7. She ended up staying all night and no $ was mentioned but after breakfast she accepted 2,000. Another hole in the wall bar met a Laos girl on vacation too, went back to my hotel but for ST free cause she said she had to go back to her hotel later to meet her sister. Of all the girls she had the best body but a butter face. Had her younger sister the next night, 21 and face a 8+ but body could lose 5 pounds. No 3 some with the sisters, their decision. Would have spent all my time with them but I met them on their last days of their trip back to Laos. Of all times I ventured out around 10 pm and back to my hotel room by 12.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2822493]I tend to avoid the big clubs and go to the smaller type bars and order a beer and most times the mama would send a girl to sit with you and start chatting. 2 drink later for both of us and its ST for 2,000 total. This one bar had a room in the back, got lucky with a tall Korean / Thai mix looks face a 6+ and body 8+ slim with natural be / see cups and tight pussy, she came multiple times and was making so much noise that the manager had to knock on the door several times HAHA. Another bar was just a 3 minute walk from my hotel and the Thai girl was maybe mid 20's, slim petite darker skinned though face a 6+, body 7. She ended up staying all night and no $ was mentioned but after breakfast she accepted 2,000. Another hole in the wall bar met a Laos girl on vacation too, went back to my hotel but for ST free cause she said she had to go back to her hotel later to meet her sister. Of all the girls she had the best body but a butter face. Had her younger sister the next night, 21 and face a 8+ but body could lose 5 pounds. No 3 some with the sisters, their decision. Would have spent all my time with them but I met them on their last days of their trip back to Laos. Of all times I ventured out around 10 pm and back to my hotel room by 12.[/QUOTE]Hi, what soi / area are the bars you've been to? Sounds interesting.

Any hostel recomendations near nana plaza / sukhimvit?

Brothers, if anyone can recommend a hotel in which chicks are complementary in Bangkok?

I may sound kinky but it's been a long dream of getting into a hotel room with a chick to bang on.

[QUOTE=SBlack0070;2823324]Brothers, if anyone can recommend a hotel in which chicks are complementary in Bangkok?

I may sound kinky but it's been a long dream of getting into a hotel room with a chick to bang on.[/QUOTE]One of the ways would be to check Fiwfans profiles where some of the girl's profiles mention the hotel they are at and book in that hotel. Most probably the hotel will be in hopeless condition.

[QUOTE=MDave1981;2823138]Any hostel recomendations near nana plaza / sukhimvit?[/QUOTE]You mean like dormitory things with bunk beds and other folks feet? Down there?

[QUOTE=SBlack0070;2823324]Brothers, if anyone can recommend a hotel in which chicks are complementary in Bangkok?

I may sound kinky but it's been a long dream of getting into a hotel room with a chick to bang on.[/QUOTE]Why would you want someone else to pick your girl?

[QUOTE=MDave1981;2823138]Any hostel recomendations near nana plaza / sukhimvit?[/QUOTE]If only there were a topic on Bangkok hotels here, you would probably get an answer there.

[QUOTE=SBlack0070;2823324]Brothers, if anyone can recommend a hotel in which chicks are complementary in Bangkok?

I may sound kinky but it's been a long dream of getting into a hotel room with a chick to bang on.[/QUOTE]It seems you want to get off the airplane, take taxi to hotel, haul luggage up to your room, and your girl is waiting for you in bed. Is that right? A couple hours later would you call front desk and say "please send up extra shampoo and another girl." I've heard of all inclusive resorts in Dominican Republic, but I don't know of any in Bangkok.

Nearly every hotel along lower Sukhumvit is almost like that, you just need to go out and select your favorite local freelancer, bar girl, or call an escort service.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2822156]The other issue with Ruamchit Hotel is room availability. In March they were twice full when I wanted to get a ST room. Once my girl took us to about four ST hotels before we found an available room, which was Miami on Soi 13 (dingy place for 600 baht).[/QUOTE]Don't go to the Miami now expecting to rent a short term room. It's gone upscale and is actually a 3 star hotel with nice fittings in the rooms and lobby area, plus a beautiful pool. In fact, when I stayed there last January, they were charging a joiner fee. I was never charged but I saw other guests forking over baht to the front desk.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2823401]It seems you want to get off the airplane, take taxi to hotel, haul luggage up to your room, and your girl is waiting for you in bed. Is that right? A couple hours later would you call front desk and say "please send up extra shampoo and another girl." I've heard of all inclusive resorts in Dominican Republic, but I don't know of any in Bangkok.

Nearly every hotel along lower Sukhumvit is almost like that, you just need to go out and select your favorite local freelancer, bar girl, or call an escort service.[/QUOTE]Yes brother Dominican experience is all I was seeking but as you rightly said its just one step away so will experience the same and share my experiences.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2823401]but I don't know of any in Bangkok..[/QUOTE]Back in the 1980's this was available at Nana Hotel, as the room boy carried your bags in he would ask if you wanted a woman. Then he would go and get one from across at Soi2 where there was a soapie massage called Golden Dragon at the time. Not heard of any since but must exist.

Checked up on nana plaza during the week while I'm town for 1 night.

Looked up 2 girls I met 6 months ago, and was genuinely surprised how much weight a girl can gain in 6 months. Sadly the super slim morsel I recall had gained quite a bit. The other was also thicker than I remember. Looked into a few of the doors, billboard seemed the busiest as is always reported. Not as many fuglies but still most % of the girls would rank as a 5 or 6. A sprinkling of attractive ones around.

Surprise was bunnys on the ground floor. I was having a beer outside when I cute thing got my attention, so I wandered over. Perfect little lady, with a bewitching grin like I've never seen before and distorted any chance of thinking straight. Nice butt and and wearing a bunny costume. Too good to be true. I decided it was worth the price of a drink to sit, and indirectly asked if she BF. No.

Drinks only girl. 21 yo Bangkok girl, accountant, cute as a button. Very playful. Gace her a squeeze or two and moved on.

I've heard of amd seen coyote damcers in cowboy, but is this the new normal in nana?

I will finally take my first few days holiday in bkk soon. A dream coming true! Been there several times in the past but never had a chance to try what the city is famous for due to some, let's say, complexities!

Because I want to make the best out of this opportunity, that I don't know if it will ever repeat again, I did a thorough reading of several sites on the net and lots of reports from this site.

I ended up with an opinion I wish to share and hear your thoughts about. You know. As a newbie good suggestions are always helpful and welcome! (.who fails to plan).

From all the reading done I think the best option to chose to increase the likely of a good experience, reduce risks of disappointment / scams and pay a fair price in such a short time in the city, is to mainly use MPs "services".

With an average of 4000 B I can chose among the "luxury" ones that advertise young ladies, good service and satisfaction (confirmed by the reports), and in some of them, with a 5000 B /6000 B "investment", you can even double the fun!

How did I come to this conclusion?

I have summarized the experiences in five categories: 1. Gogo bars; 2. Beer bars / clubs; 3. MPs (oil, soap, nuru); 4. Famous Escort sites or social medias; 5. FLs from Thermae or around town.

I took into consideration only ST, because that's what I am interested in, and I have given an average price to each one category at today quotations.

I learned that: 1 (gogo) starts from a (average) 4000 B (like a 700 bar fine, 300 in drinks -I would certainly spend more-, 3000 for the lady) up to 8000 B or more; for experience 2 you might go a little cheaper with a lower bar fine and cheaper lady charge, but not under 3000 B I think (except BJ Bars); Massages (3) ranges from 2500 B up to over 4 times more if you are into "soap lands models"; Escort sites, number 4, range on the 2000 B for a couple of hours of fun with a social media blind date to 6000 B (again, an average) for the vip escort sites; and finally, numero 5 (Thermae and free lancers wherever you can pick them). For this experience looks like lately ladies start charging on the 3000 B area. Differently from a cheaper past. (you know inflation, fuel costs, wars and energy costs hit also the horizontal smile of Thailand).

The key point I considered and that made me decide for option 3, MPs, is the, let's call it, "luck" of the encounter. Unless you know who you are meeting with (past experience or the like), you might end with a good or an average or sometimes even a disappointing experience, right? I believe that you can rise your chance of happiness with the more "expensive" escort site because they grant a service and you have someone to complain to, but we are always talking of a 6000 B damage for 2 hrs Hence, my choice went to MPs.

So, all this bla bla bla to say that my plan for a few days stay in BKK and with no "experience" in the mongering business of this town, is to go mainly in MPs. May be a copule of stops to Thermae and / or beer bars just to check and have some social life. Hopping Gogo just to see what happens inside and have a few fan chats with the girls. But when I want to go down into action, I belive MPs are the most reliable for the short time I will be there. I wish also trying to experience a threesome with full lesbian. I read that, again, the MPs (or Thermae if you are lucky) are good places to ask for that (Snow White, Tulip, OlaOla).

Of course this is my opinion and it is based on my interests, so YMMV. I wished to share with all of you the little "research" I did to contribute to the channel. And, of course, thanks to all who reported and help to make better choices!

I will share my experience once back!

The only part of your plan that I think you might be let down by the MP's is hoping for a Lesbian duo. Yes all the MP's offer 4 hands or two girls but rarely (from my experience) will you find true lesbians that will play properly with each other or even with you at the same time. Generally they'll take it in turns on you. If you are going for 4 hands in a MP my advice is to pick one girl and look for her to advice you on the 2nd pick. The reason being you want to be sure they are friends and will get on with each other and be comfortable in the same room together. But don't expect a full on porn like threesome in a MP. If you want a "lesbian show" by recommendation is to go through an escort agency and tell them in advance what you want.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2823593]I will finally take my first few days holiday in bkk soon. A dream coming true! Been there several times in the past but never had a chance to try what the city is famous for due to some, let's say, complexities!

Because I want to make the best out of this opportunity, that I don't know if it will ever repeat again, I did a thorough reading of several sites on the net and lots of reports from this site.

I ended up with an opinion I wish to share and hear your thoughts about. You know. As a newbie good suggestions are always helpful and welcome! (.who fails to plan).

From all the reading done I think the best option to chose to increase the likely of a good experience, reduce risks of disappointment / scams and pay a fair price in such a short time in the city, is to mainly use MPs "services".

With an average of 4000 B I can chose among the "luxury" ones that advertise young ladies, good service and satisfaction (confirmed by the reports), and in some of them, with a 5000 B /6000 B "investment", you can even double the fun!

How did I come to this conclusion?

I have summarized the experiences in five categories: 1. Gogo bars; 2. Beer bars / clubs; 3. MPs (oil, soap, nuru); 4. Famous Escort sites or social medias; 5. FLs from Thermae or around town.

I took into consideration only ST, because that's what I am interested in, and I have given an average price to each one category at today quotations.

I learned that: 1 (gogo) starts from a (average) 4000 B (like a 700 bar fine, 300 in drinks -I would certainly spend more-, 3000 for the lady) up to 8000 B or more; for experience 2 you might go a little cheaper with a lower bar fine and cheaper lady charge, but not under 3000 B I think (except BJ Bars); Massages (3) ranges from 2500 B up to over 4 times more if you are into "soap lands models"; Escort sites, number 4, range on the 2000 B for a couple of hours of fun with a social media blind date to 6000 B (again, an average) for the vip escort sites; and finally, numero 5 (Thermae and free lancers wherever you can pick them). For this experience looks like lately ladies start charging on the 3000 B area. Differently from a cheaper past. (you know inflation, fuel costs, wars and energy costs hit also the horizontal smile of Thailand).

The key point I considered and that made me decide for option 3, MPs, is the, let's call it, "luck" of the encounter. Unless you know who you are meeting with (past experience or the like), you might end with a good or an average or sometimes even a disappointing experience, right? I believe that you can rise your chance of happiness with the more "expensive" escort site because they grant a service and you have someone to complain to, but we are always talking of a 6000 B damage for 2 hrs Hence, my choice went to MPs.

So, all this bla bla bla to say that my plan for a few days stay in BKK and with no "experience" in the mongering business of this town, is to go mainly in MPs. May be a copule of stops to Thermae and / or beer bars just to check and have some social life. Hopping Gogo just to see what happens inside and have a few fan chats with the girls. But when I want to go down into action, I belive MPs are the most reliable for the short time I will be there. I wish also trying to experience a threesome with full lesbian. I read that, again, the MPs (or Thermae if you are lucky) are good places to ask for that (Snow White, Tulip, OlaOla).

Of course this is my opinion and it is based on my interests, so YMMV. I wished to share with all of you the little "research" I did to contribute to the channel. And, of course, thanks to all who reported and help to make better choices!

I will share my experience once back![/QUOTE]

Hi Guys,

First time in Thailand, with Week 1 being spent in Bangkok, in early August.

Looking for someone to give me a brief / crash course on the scenery. What I know so far.

I hear good things about Nana Plaza, and Fiwans is apparently a way to arrange girls online.

Thing is, I HATE condoms. So trying to find ones that are cool going without. Is "fresh" the terminology?

Apologies if I seem clueless. It's because I am LOL.

Looking to learn the lingo, best locations, methods of communication, etc.

Any replies would be much appreciated. .

[QUOTE=PgReal;2823625]The only part of your plan that I think you might be let down by the MP's is hoping for a Lesbian duo. Yes all the MP's offer 4 hands or two girls but rarely (from my experience) will you find true lesbians that will play properly with each other or even with you at the same time. Generally they'll take it in turns on you. If you are going for 4 hands in a MP my advice is to pick one girl and look for her to advice you on the 2nd pick. The reason being you want to be sure they are friends and will get on with each other and be comfortable in the same room together. But don't expect a full on porn like threesome in a MP. If you want a "lesbian show" by recommendation is to go through an escort agency and tell them in advance what you want.[/QUOTE]The only part of the plan that could be a letdown is the plan itself. No plan survives the first meeting with the enemy.

This Board is a guide, not a bible. Yesterday is not today. Lineups change. Places close. Opinions differ.

Money talks.

[QUOTE=PaulAllen479;2823654]Hi Guys,

First time in Thailand, with Week 1 being spent in Bangkok, in early August.

Looking for someone to give me a brief / crash course on the scenery. What I know so far.

I hear good things about Nana Plaza, and Fiwans is apparently a way to arrange girls online.

Thing is, I HATE condoms. So trying to find ones that are cool going without. Is "fresh" the terminology?

Apologies if I seem clueless. It's because I am LOL.

Looking to learn the lingo, best locations, methods of communication, etc.

Any replies would be much appreciated. .[/QUOTE]You do not mention if you have previous experience elsewhere with mongering. If you do that would be helpful. I never fuck a hooker the first time without a condom. No matter what you think, or what she tells you, you don't know how many guys she has barebacked recently. I only bareback after I get to know her, and consider it safer to bareback. Even then I know I am taking a risk. That said you can find women who will bareback, they will not be the best looking ones but they are there to make money so just ask. . If you go to places like Nana you will have a great time. But remember and never forget that these places and the women, men, and ladyboys who work there are professionals at separating you from your money. As far as starting in Bangkok that is up to you. I personally hate big crowded cities.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2823625]The only part of your plan that I think you might be let down by the MP's is hoping for a Lesbian duo. Yes all the MP's offer 4 hands or two girls but rarely (from my experience) will you find true lesbians that will play properly with each other or even with you at the same time. Generally they'll take it in turns on you. If you are going for 4 hands in a MP my advice is to pick one girl and look for her to advice you on the 2nd pick. The reason being you want to be sure they are friends and will get on with each other and be comfortable in the same room together. But don't expect a full on porn like threesome in a MP. If you want a "lesbian show" by recommendation is to go through an escort agency and tell them in advance what you want.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comment, yes read many reports that states there's no real action most of the time. Just a couple of reports citing two MPs where it looked like this guy was able to get that, but as usual all is aligned with expectation. Only one MP actually advertise this experience, I might try that and then bring some feedbacks.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2823867]Thanks for the comment, yes read many reports that states there's no real action most of the time. Just a couple of reports citing two MPs where it looked like this guy was able to get that, but as usual all is aligned with expectation. Only one MP actually advertise this experience, I might try that and then bring some feedbacks.[/QUOTE]Tulip seems to advertise this, with some of their performers there.

Good starting points are Soi Cowboy (my fav's are Baccara / Dollhouse or Suzie Wong) or Nana (Billboard / Spankey's) - beware that a number of the other bars are ladyboy bars. Where you might get more than you expected. Watch your bill and always take your time to look around before agreeing to lady-drinks. You might feel like a kid in a candy store, so always remember not to get overly excited too fast.

Most of the girls will want you to use a condom, rarely do the agree to raw. You can ask in advance, but I would expect the "hit-rate" to be very low. You might be more lucky taking your chances and going for some less experienced talent (the ones who seem shy, who are not so aggressive), in the room they might be less professional, I. E not asking for protection. But no guarantees that this always works.

Enjoy the city of angels. And stay safe.

[QUOTE=PaulAllen479;2823654]Hi Guys,

First time in Thailand, with Week 1 being spent in Bangkok, in early August.

Looking for someone to give me a brief / crash course on the scenery. What I know so far.

I hear good things about Nana Plaza, and Fiwans is apparently a way to arrange girls online.

Thing is, I HATE condoms. So trying to find ones that are cool going without. Is "fresh" the terminology?

Apologies if I seem clueless. It's because I am LOL.

Looking to learn the lingo, best locations, methods of communication, etc.

Any replies would be much appreciated. .[/QUOTE]

One option you might want to add to your mix are the massage joints of Sukhumvit Soi 24 Alley: Either "Addict" or "102 Massage". The latter is run by a nice French guy. Both will set you back between TBH 2,500 to THB 4,000 depending on the level of room / massage service you are looking for. Not sure but maybe the French guy has two girls who are into proper lesbian stuff. Worth asking. In both places I have typically been served well and have left a happy customer. In the large MP's it has been more hit and miss.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2823593]I will finally take my first few days holiday in bkk soon. A dream coming true! Been there several times in the past but never had a chance to try what the city is famous for due to some, let's say, complexities!

Because I want to make the best out of this opportunity, that I don't know if it will ever repeat again, I did a thorough reading of several sites on the net and lots of reports from this site.

I ended up with an opinion I wish to share and hear your thoughts about. You know. As a newbie good suggestions are always helpful and welcome! (.who fails to plan).

From all the reading done I think the best option to chose to increase the likely of a good experience, reduce risks of disappointment / scams and pay a fair price in such a short time in the city, is to mainly use MPs "services"..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2823697]The only part of the plan that could be a letdown is the plan itself. No plan survives the first meeting with the enemy.

This Board is a guide, not a bible. Yesterday is not today. Lineups change. Places close. Opinions differ.

Money talks.[/QUOTE])) you are so very right! Good point. And I would add also girls' mood the day you meet them and if they "click" with you or not.

[QUOTE=Farape;2823915]One option you might want to add to your mix are the massage joints of Sukhumvit Soi 24 Alley: Either "Addict" or "102 Massage". The latter is run by a nice French guy. Both will set you back between TBH 2,500 to THB 4,000 depending on the level of room / massage service you are looking for. Not sure but maybe the French guy has two girls who are into proper lesbian stuff. Worth asking. In both places I have typically been served well and have left a happy customer. In the large MP's it has been more hit and miss.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip! I will give 102 a check.

Friends is there any Thai who is in India Delhi or Gurgaon. Love to try. Thanks in advance for helping.

Hi everyone,

Me and my friend are going to Bangkok and Pattaya in June and hoping to check off one thing that's been on our list for a really long time now. DPing a girl.

Could the experienced pros here share some pointers on how / where I should go about finding a provider that is up for DP? Ideally, we want to bring this girl to our hotel to indulge in this debauchery instead of going to a club / MP.

Looking for suggestions in both in Bangkok and / or Pattaya. Hoping to finally check this item off from our respective lists in Thailand.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2823593]I will finally take my first few days holiday in bkk soon. A dream coming true! Been there several times in the past but never had a chance to try what the city is famous for due to some, let's say, complexities!

Because I want to make the best out of this opportunity, that I don't know if it will ever repeat again, I did a thorough reading of several sites on the net and lots of reports from this site.

I ended up with an opinion I wish to share and hear your thoughts about. You know. As a newbie good suggestions are always helpful and welcome! (.who fails to plan).

From all the reading done I think the best option to chose to increase the likely of a good experience, reduce risks of disappointment / scams and pay a fair price in such a short time in the city, is to mainly use MPs "services"....![/QUOTE]I don't read much on the Boards about the places on Soi 33. I was staying nearby last trip and had some good encounters at 666 and Dream Heaven. It's hit or miss, but was mostly a hit for me. There are several other MPs on the short Soi 33 just across Sukhumvit from the more popular Soi 22 and 24 areas. Many Asian tourists stay in this area, so the places typically cater to their tastes. The problem I encountered at 666 and some others was that, unless you make an advance booking, it can get very crowded in the evening. Because the photos often misrepresent the girls, I'm not keen on making a reservation from a photo. So you might want to try in the early. Mid afternoon when walkins are more welcome, and more girls are showing up for work, so better choices to choose from. Get on their Line accounts to learn what the daily lineup will be.

Dream Heaven was a surprise for me. After striking out at some of the places due to many tourists in for Songkran, I was able to walkin to the poorly rated Dream Heaven. As always, YMMV, but I got lucky one night with a lady I later learned works at multiple places. Sometimes you can find a gem amongst the rocks. Just relax and enjoy yourself. If you go someplace and you don't like what you see, just be polite, say no thank you, and get up and leave. Don't take your shoes off until you decide, BTW.

Take a walk up the soi and google the places to see which places have what you want. I will agree with other posters here that a full on Lesbian experience is a tough find.

BKK is full of surprises. I have a 'good' massage place that I went to with my GF several times away from this area. They give great massages. I returned once on a slow weekday afternoon alone and asked for my regular girl for 2 hours of Thai and Oil massage, and she surprised me by offering more, lots more, at the end. Was a wonderful day. LOL.

And a big Thank You for your thoughtful post and your research.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2823867]Thanks for the comment, yes read many reports that states there's no real action most of the time. Just a couple of reports citing two MPs where it looked like this guy was able to get that, but as usual all is aligned with expectation. Only one MP actually advertise this experience, I might try that and then bring some feedbacks.[/QUOTE]Lesbian is fine at a lot of MPs, you're just hearing the ones that got bad experiences, so don't get turned off, you got money, you can get good solid lesbian action. Tulip can do lesbian stuff for sure, everything you want it to be. A few other MPs will have girls that are into it as well, but you're better off at a PSE. The new Snow White / Cherry should be able to do it as well. Also, the former Eden Club spot on Soi 7/1 is now under a new name, Red something (and the normal thing there is 2 girl anal with lesbian, that's the standard service, the girls will do whatever you want to you and each other.

The general deal is for lesbian at an MP, ask who likes to or wants to do lesbian, choose one girl and she will choose her partner. They do this all the time, they will pick their friend and they've done this before.

But very very importantly -- you are in charge, tell them what you want, they can't read your mind, you want to watch the girls go at it? Say so, if you say nothing they will just go through the motions, say what you want, be explicit in the room and they will do it, if you don't you might not get what you want, do not be shy. If you want to bang a girl doggy while she eats out the other girl, just say so and in 30 seconds its done.

[QUOTE=LuvStJohn;2824366]I don't read much on the Boards about the places on Soi 33. I was staying nearby last trip and had some good encounters at 666 and Dream Heaven. It's hit or miss, but was mostly a hit for me. There are several other MPs on the short Soi 33 just across Sukhumvit from the more popular Soi 22 and 24 areas. Many Asian tourists stay in this area, so the places typically cater to their tastes. The problem I encountered at 666 and some others was that, unless you make an advance booking, it can get very crowded in the evening. Because the photos often misrepresent the girls, I'm not keen on making a reservation from a photo. So you might want to try in the early. Mid afternoon when walkins are more welcome, and more girls are showing up for work, so better choices to choose from. Get on their Line accounts to learn what the daily lineup will be.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the hints, heard about 666 and read that pictures are sometimes photoshopped. I do agree with you the best it to go there and check, and thanks for the late afternoon tip. Actually should be the best time for what I have in my mind to do, that is: late afternoon MP, dinner and then bars or gogo hopping for social life. But, let's see what happen in reality and the energy I will have left after a couple of days!)).

I am no more that young anymore and not sure if I will need help with some "natural" support to have more "experiences"on the same day for multiple days. I read about gracku, kamagra or macun honey, but I do not know the effects. Never tried anything. But you know, few days there and who knows when I can came back and I want to expirience the most possible!

Will do a report once back.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2824574]Lesbian is fine at a lot of MPs, you're just hearing the ones that got bad experiences, so don't get turned off, you got money, you can get good solid lesbian action. Tulip can do lesbian stuff for sure, everything you want it to be. A few other MPs will have girls that are into it as well, but you're better off at a PSE. The new Snow White / Cherry should be able to do it as well. Also, the former Eden Club spot on Soi 7/1 is now under a new name, Red something (and the normal thing there is 2 girl anal with lesbian, that's the standard service, the girls will do whatever you want to you and each other.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the good tips! Very helpful, and I agree 100%. Actually I had a copule of experience in the past in China and, true, if you do no give "directions" they just do simple basic staff. Or, the better, you should have had already multiple sessions and so they know what you are looking for! But that will be not my case (unfortunately). And very good hint to choose one girl and ask her to choose her buddy, if they know each other, or already performed together, it is going to be a much better experience.

I will check for sure that Red something in Soi 7/1.

Just to share some more insights, yesterday I have dropped a couple of messages to Aya and olaola MPs and both confirmed they can provide the service. Good news. I read also very good comments on Daisydream and doki doki as very good MPs.

Looks like I have lots of options!

I had an opportunity to make a quick stop in Bangkok while I was in the region. I decided to visit one of my favorite places. La Belle! The place has not changed at all and the girls were just as hot as I remember. I was going to select a really hot girl but I could not get the papasan's attention and someone got her before me. I then opted to take a XL girl for 8500 THB ($240 usd). That is the highest level at La Belle and sort of pricey but not by US standards. This girl was definitely the hottest girl in the place. Her service was great but not off the charts. I was tired from traveling so not in peak condition to perform. After La Belle, I had the taxi driver drop me off at Soi Cowboy. The talent was pretty weak all all over but I did like the new setup at Baccara upstairs. I did not see anyone worth taking back to my hotel there or at any of the bars so I called it a night.

On another note, the papasan at La Belle told me that The Lord reopened under the name Palace Hotel and Spa. As I understand, it opened in the same building on 87 Ratchadapaphisek 7. The Lord was absolutely my favorite place in the world back when I went there several years ago. I am curious if anyone is familiar with this new place. I have read a lot of the guy that owned this place and the former police commissioner that he supposedly loaned money to. I did not have enough time on the ground to investigate. It seems like Bangkok has been trying to close down some of these soapy massage places. La Belle has remained open fortunately. I always found the best talent in these high end soapy massage places. The Lord used to have some really stunning women when it was operating.

[QUOTE=ButtRavisher;2824362]Hi everyone,

Me and my friend are going to Bangkok and Pattaya in June and hoping to check off one thing that's been on our list for a really long time now. DPing a girl.

Could the experienced pros here share some pointers on how / where I should go about finding a provider that is up for DP? Ideally, we want to bring this girl to our hotel to indulge in this debauchery instead of going to a club / MP.

Looking for suggestions in both in Bangkok and / or Pattaya. Hoping to finally check this item off from our respective lists in Thailand.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Check the escorts on Smooci or MassageRepublic.

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;2824609]On another note, the papasan at La Belle told me that The Lord reopened under the name Palace Hotel and Spa. As I understand, it opened in the same building on 87 Ratchadapaphisek 7. The Lord was absolutely my favorite place in the world back when I went there several years ago. I am curious if anyone is familiar with this new place. I have read a lot of the guy that owned this place and the former police commissioner that he supposedly loaned money to. I did not have enough time on the ground to investigate. It seems like Bangkok has been trying to close down some of these soapy massage places. La Belle has remained open fortunately. I always found the best talent in these high end soapy massage places. The Lord used to have some really stunning women when it was operating.[/QUOTE]I went past there in April and nothing looked open, but since I too loved the Lord I will check it out when I get back in July. If I remember LOL.

On a further note, anyone familiar with the "Tao Poon Casino" or something to that effect, where "no farang" is allowed?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822413]These are all refering to the same things.

Number one is some pearls that the Thai guys insert under the skin of their dick, presumably to give more pleasure to the girls.

Number 2 is a variant of number 1.

Number 3 is something they inject under the skin of their dicks.

All these are refering to Thai customers, I doubt any foreigner do these kind of work on their dicks.[/QUOTE]I am curious which size they are referring. Is it chest size in inches or dick size in mm. No idea.

Please advise.

[QUOTE=Mayurp;2825104]I am curious which size they are refering. Is it chest size in inches or dick size in mm. No idea.

Please advise.[/QUOTE]It's the size of the condom, it's written on the condom's bag in Thailand.

54 is an average size for foreigners I think.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2825120]It's the size of the condom, it's written on the condom's bag in Thailand.

54 is an average size for foreigners I think.[/QUOTE]I have seen such limits on listing and on one of the listing I found out written as 54 mm or like that. So, it is to assume that they are referring to the width of the tool and not anything about the length.

Heavyweights of Rainbow 5. Shocker.

2 side by side. I swear 600 lbs between both of them. Not the best of faces either.

I'd rate each of them a Solid 2.

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;2824609]
On another note, the papasan at La Belle told me that The Lord reopened under the name Palace Hotel and Spa. As I understand, it opened in the same building on 87 Ratchadapaphisek 7. The Lord was absolutely my favorite place in the world back when I went there several years ago. I am curious if anyone is familiar with this new place. I have read a lot of the guy that owned this place and the former police commissioner that he supposedly loaned money to. I did not have enough time on the ground to investigate. It seems like Bangkok has been trying to close down some of these soapy massage places. La Belle has remained open fortunately. I always found the best talent in these high end soapy massage places. The Lord used to have some really stunning women when it was operating.[/QUOTE]Fond memories of The Lord too especially one stunner from a few years ago who was like a firecracker when it came to action. I'm thinking of doing a trip soon and hope it is maintaining the same quality in it's new avatar if the rumors are true.

Question to the Thai vets. I've been watching some YT videos of guys that hook up with Thai women and they claim none of them are hookers. Some are in their videos. Do you think they are lying. How easy or hard is it to go to Bangkok and date attractive 18 to 25 girls that are 100% normal girls. Isn't the whole city one big working girl house. Don't most attractive girls go into prostitution there because it pays so much better. Also don't most regular girls not want to be seen with an American because people will think she is a ho.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193]I've been watching some YT videos of guys that hook up with Thai women and they claim none of them are hookers. Some are in their videos. Do you think they are lying. [/QUOTE]Depends on the quality of the girl. If she is good looking, they are probably lying, if the girl look like shit it might be true.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193]How easy or hard is it to go to Bangkok and date attractive 18 to 25 girls that are 100% normal girls. [/QUOTE]It's hard for guys like us.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193] Isn't the whole city one big working girl house.[/QUOTE]No.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193] Don't most attractive girls go into prostitution there because it pays so much better.[/QUOTE]No.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193] Also don't most regular girls not want to be seen with an American because people will think she is a ho.[/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193]Question to the Thai vets. I've been watching some YT videos of guys that hook up with Thai women and they claim none of them are hookers. Some are in their videos. Do you think they are lying. How easy or hard is it to go to Bangkok and date attractive 18 to 25 girls that are 100% normal girls. Isn't the whole city one big working girl house. Don't most attractive girls go into prostitution there because it pays so much better. Also don't most regular girls not want to be seen with an American because people will think she is a ho.[/QUOTE]If you are looking to find a random "good girl" and charm her into bed within 60 minutes, that isn't likely. At least I've never achieved it (or even tried). The "good girls" do tend to sleep with "good men" much quicker than western girls and older men clearly have better access to younger Thai girls than younger western girls.

Dating "good Thai girls" is absolutely possible. I'm really old so I've not had any under 25, but a couple were less than half my age. You won't find these good girls near bars, I found my all time favorite in a coffee shop. Another helped me use the coin payment system at BTS. But, these are normal dating situations where girls are looking to find boyfriends and husbands. I've found plenty of good girls on ThaiFriendly. Expect to take her to dinner and recreational activities. She probably has a normal job, when I ask her to miss work for a day (or longer), I normally give her some money to make up what she lost from her job (not hooker money). Otherwise, I pay our expenses only.

Do all attractive Thai girls go into prostitution? Not even close! When you go away from the tourist areas you will see fewer bars and fewer hookers. Places like lower Sukhumvit, Central Pattaya, and Patong are the exceptions, normal Thailand is very different.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193]Question to the Thai vets. I've been watching some YT videos of guys that hook up with Thai women and they claim none of them are hookers. Some are in their videos. Do you think they are lying. How easy or hard is it to go to Bangkok and date attractive 18 to 25 girls that are 100% normal girls. Isn't the whole city one big working girl house. Don't most attractive girls go into prostitution there because it pays so much better. Also don't most regular girls not want to be seen with an American because people will think she is a ho.[/QUOTE]Oh how I wish every Hot Thai girl went into Prostitution. Hahaha. Sadly no way in San Jose is that true. Most are just for Thais.

So I got quoted by a very attractive Rainbow Barmsid. I really don't think she was Joking. $3,000. Hahaha.

Kicker. She really doesn't go with guys from the Bar,. I bet she'd be a Star if she did.

I'm planning a trip to Thailand in Bangkok and Pattaya. I'm so much into femdom and will try to find fetish ladies as well. To ask experts in this forum, I want suggestions on where can I Saturday my cravings of femdom, in fetish clubs or independent models? Also, where can I find ebony girls in Thailand?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2825244]If you are looking to find a random "good girl" and charm her into bed within 60 minutes, that isn't likely. At least I've never achieved it (or even tried). The "good girls" do tend to sleep with "good men" much quicker than western girls and older men clearly have better access to younger Thai girls than younger western girls.

Dating "good Thai girls" is absolutely possible. I'm really old so I've not had any under 25, but a couple were less than half my age. You won't find these good girls near bars, I found my all time favorite in a coffee shop. Another helped me use the coin payment system at BTS. But, these are normal dating situations where girls are looking to find boyfriends and husbands. I've found plenty of good girls on ThaiFriendly. Expect to take her to dinner and recreational activities. She probably has a normal job, when I ask her to miss work for a day (or longer), I normally give her some money to make up what she lost from her job (not hooker money). Otherwise, I pay our expenses only.

Do all attractive Thai girls go into prostitution? Not even close! When you go away from the tourist areas you will see fewer bars and fewer hookers. Places like lower Sukhumvit, Central Pattaya, and Patong are the exceptions, normal Thailand is very different.[/QUOTE]Is it easy to tell if a girl is a good girl or not when away from hooker bars.

Hi Guys, I will be visiting Bangkok next week. Please give me mongering tips for wild experience of Bangkok. Incd Gogo, MP's, BJ bar etc.

I will be staying near sukhomvit.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825333]Is it easy to tell if a girl is a good girl or not when away from hooker bars.[/QUOTE]No, it's not easy to say, they look all the same.

[QUOTE=DecentGuy86;2825357]Hi Guys, I will be visiting Bangkok next week. Please give me mongering tips for wild experience of Bangkok. Incd Gogo, MP's, BJ bar etc.

I will be staying near sukhomvit.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Same here. I'm planning a trip there, it's my first time there. Any advice for first time mongering there? Stuff to give try? Stuff to avoid? Any post or threads with newbie guides?

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825333]Is it easy to tell if a girl is a good girl or not when away from hooker bars.[/QUOTE]Hard to answer that question. Excessive exposed tattoos and piercings are often the only easily visible tells without spending time talking to them. Being ancient and monolingual, I have few opportunities to chit chat with random girls in public in non-tourist parts of Thailand. Easiest way to meet good Thai girls is via dating sites like ThaiCupid, ThaiFlirting, and ThaiFriendly. Many good girls on all 3 of those sites, only ThaiFriendly has many bad girls and those seem to be concentrated in tourist areas (Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket, Koh Samui, Hua Hin, etc).

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2824822]Check the escorts on Smooci or MassageRepublic.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pointer. Will check them out.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2825398]No, it's not easy to say, they look all the same.[/QUOTE]Au contraire:

Signs your sweet innocent GF is or was a bar girl / hooker / holiday GF for Westerners:

Good English, Korean or Japanese in conjunction with.

Chest Tattoos (Birds with outspread wings).

English butt tattoos or tramp stamps.

Bikinis on the beach.

Pierced nips or snatch.

Booty shorts or other overly sexy dress.

Yakuza back tattoos.

That's why one of my hunts is for untattooed hardbodies with poor English. Many times they are newbies.

Want me to do "how to recognize a tranny"?

[QUOTE=DecentGuy86;2825357]Hi Guys, I will be visiting Bangkok next week. Please give me mongering tips for wild experience of Bangkok. Incd Gogo, MP's, BJ bar etc.

I will be staying near sukhomvit.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There are hundreds of pages of posts here with exactly what you're seeking, plus millions of other tidbits just a short search of the internet away. I don't mean to be brusque, but you'll have more engagement with your inquiries if you RTFF and then ask specific questions if you have them.

Everyone of us has had a 'first' BKK trip and were tentative, unsure but super excited about what it has to offer. While there are many more qualified than me to give you advise, I'll help by giving you a 'basic' sketch. To get details, you've got to RTFF. Before you read through the below points, do note that, like most things in life, your spend budget decides the experience you get. There are many other variables like time of the year, girl's age, venue, skin color, etc but that is outside the scope of my response.

1) Go Go Bars:

Bars that have 20-30-50-100 girls that are available for you to pick up. As you enter, a mamasan (the manager) or a server will guide you to a seat and ask for your drink order. Once that is on the table, they will send across a couple girls to entertain you (or you can ask them to send one that you are interested in). The girl comes, introductions happen, and she will ask if you can buy her a drink. You buy her a drink if you are interested and want to see if you want to progress further in the game. Once the drink comes, she'll generally get more playful, etc. You then find out more about her and her rates, services offered, etc. Also check with her on the bar-fine (a charge to the bar to take her out). In recent years, there has been a slow, but steady movement towards coyotes (prettier girls there to attract you, but not available for you to pick up) - so please check if they are 'bar-fineable' before you start buying those drinks.

The two main areas for these bars are The Nana Plaza on Sukhumvit Soi 4, and Soi Cowboy very close to the Asoke / Terminal 21 intersection on Sukhmvit. It is a 15 odd minute walk between these two areas.

2) BJ Bars:

There are a dozen or so bars around lower Sukhumvit and a simple Google search will give you locations / websites. Very simple system here. Walk in, choose your girl, she'll take you upstairs, clean you up, suck the juice out of you, clean you up, you pay up and away you go, a happy man! Expect to pay 800-1500 baht for the service. In general, girl quality will be lower than the go-gos. Almost all girls here are also available for full service.

3) Massages:

In principle, you've got two types: Soapies, and Oilies. No prizes for guessing the distinguishing features of each.

Soapies are where you have a large place with tonnes of girls presented to you in the (in) famous fishbowl. Where they are behind a glass wall and you choose them based on the numbered tag they wear. Pricing is generally higher (RTFF for recent pricing) and are dependent on the category of the girl. They have 2-3 different categories of girls. Note that Soapies are dwindling for a variety of reasons.

Oilies are traditional oil massage places where you get all inclusive services for 2500-3000 baht. Many offer multiple pops. Please check the BKK Massage thread for details on this.

I suspect this is all you'll require for your first trip and hope this has been of help. Please pay it forward and report back your experiences.

Cheers / Pulse.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825464]Same here. I'm planning a trip there, it's my first time there. Any advice for first time mongering there? Stuff to give try? Stuff to avoid? Any post or threads with newbie guides?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DecentGuy86;2825357]Hi Guys, I will be visiting Bangkok next week. Please give me mongering tips for wild experience of Bangkok. Incd Gogo, MP's, BJ bar etc.

I will be staying near sukhomvit.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2825525]
Want me to do "how to recognize a tranny"?[/QUOTE]Yes, please do.

In preparation to my next trip to BKK I have been messaging some MPs asking details on the services. A couple of them which gave more infos specified that BJs are performed with (CBJ). This statenent that left me very surprised! Usually in Asia I rarely found CBJ services.

This will be my first time in BKK so I am not an expert in the area. I wonder if this is the normality? I though BBBJTC was a standard.

Thanks for any comment.

There are several oilies which provides BBBJ and CIM. You just need to ask for that before you take a lady. In most places, they will tell you which girls will do it and which not. In some places, you may have to pay extra for CIM part.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2825747]In preparation to my next trip to BKK I have been messaging some MPs asking details on the services. A couple of them which gave more infos specified that BJs are performed with (CBJ). This statenent that left me very surprised! Usually in Asia I rarely found CBJ services.

This will be my first time in BKK so I am not an expert in the area. I wonder if this is the normality? I though BBBJTC was a standard.

Thanks for any comment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2825747]In preparation to my next trip to BKK I have been messaging some MPs asking details on the services. A couple of them which gave more infos specified that BJs are performed with (CBJ). This statenent that left me very surprised! Usually in Asia I rarely found CBJ services.

This will be my first time in BKK so I am not an expert in the area. I wonder if this is the normality? I though BBBJTC was a standard.

Thanks for any comment.[/QUOTE]In my last trip seemed like I had more CBJ than not. Ranging from gogo, thaifrirendly, fiwfans, and thermae.

Thank you for taking the time to post this. I had stayed away from BJ bars in my previous trips because I always am looking for FS. Last time I did go to Kasalong on Soi 8, and I was also offered FS for just a little bit more. It was great. Was out the door for 2,000 Baht which also included a beer and a good tip. So most of the gals at the BJ bars will also do FS? This is really good info for a relative newbie like myself. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2825648]Everyone of us has had a 'first' BKK trip and were tentative, unsure but super excited about what it has to offer. While there are many more qualified than me to give you advise, I'll help by giving you a 'basic' sketch. To get details, you've got to RTFF. Before you read through the below points, do note that, like most things in life, your spend budget decides the experience you get. There are many other variables like time of the year, girl's age, venue, skin color, etc but that is outside the scope of my response.

1) Go Go Bars:

Bars that have 20-30-50-100 girls that are available for you to pick up. As you enter, a mamasan (the manager) or a server will guide you to a seat and ask for your drink order. Once that is on the table, they will send across a couple girls to entertain you (or you can ask them to send one that you are interested in). The girl comes, introductions happen, and she will ask if you can buy her a drink. You buy her a drink if you are interested and want to see if you want to progress further in the game. Once the drink comes, she'll generally get more playful, etc. You then find out more about her and her rates, services offered, etc. Also check with her on the bar-fine (a charge to the bar to take her out). In recent years, there has been a slow, but steady movement towards coyotes (prettier girls there to attract you, but not available for you to pick up) - so please check if they are 'bar-fineable' before you start buying those drinks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2825650]Yes, please do.[/QUOTE]OK.

Surgical Ass, never met a real Thai Girl with a big old surgical ass.

Tall.

Big Hands.

Big Feet.

Deep Voice.

Big Tits in combo with another sign.

Square jaw.

Adams apple.

Exaggerated mannerisms.

Can't get into Thermae.

Hows that?

When it comes to BJ bars, do they have higher end BJ bars that have a full service large shower, and large room, so you can get a hour BJ, or are they all hole in the wall dirty rooms with a sink. Would I be better off asking the manager for the throat champ of the place and take her to my hotel for an hour BJ. What would the fine at a BJ bar be for that.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825839]When it comes to BJ bars, do they have higher end BJ bars that have a full service large shower, and large room, so you can get a hour BJ, or are they all hole in the wall dirty rooms with a sink. Would I be better off asking the manager for the throat champ of the place and take her to my hotel for an hour BJ. What would the fine at a BJ bar be for that.[/QUOTE]All the ones I've been to were of the rundown type, I doubt any high end ones exist.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2825792]OK.

Surgical Ass, never met a real Thai Girl with a big old surgical ass.

Tall.

Big Hands.

Big Feet.

Deep Voice.

Big Tits in combo with another sign.

Square jaw.

Adams apple.

Exaggerated mannerisms.

Can't get into Thermae.

Hows that?[/QUOTE]I'm not anti-LGBTQ I'm not homophobic. However I looking for specially ladies who were born female. Can you elaborate on this a little more? Should I ask if they were born female as a precaution? Should I expect a honest response? I made a tinder for Bangkok. There was a great looking freelance girl kept in contact with. I can tell she's had those "K-pop" looking type of plastic surgeries and breast implants. She said she's born a female. Does that usually mean a green light? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2825648]Everyone of us has had a 'first' BKK trip and were tentative, unsure but super excited about what it has to offer. While there are many more qualified than me to give you advise, I'll help by giving you a 'basic' sketch. To get details, you've got to RTFF. Before you read through the below points, do note that, like most things in life, your spend budget decides the experience you get. There are many other variables like time of the year, girl's age, venue, skin color, etc but that is outside the scope of my response.

1) Go Go Bars:

Bars that have 20-30-50-100 girls that are available for you to pick up. As you enter, a mamasan (the manager) or a server will guide you to a seat and ask for your drink order. Once that is on the table, they will send across a couple girls to entertain you (or you can ask them to send one that you are interested in). The girl comes, introductions happen, and she will ask if you can buy her a drink. You buy her a drink if you are interested and want to see if you want to progress further in the game. Once the drink comes, she'll generally get more playful, etc. You then find out more about her and her rates, services offered, etc. Also check with her on the bar-fine (a charge to the bar to take her out). In recent years, there has been a slow, but steady movement towards coyotes (prettier girls there to attract you, but not available for you to pick up) - so please check if they are 'bar-fineable' before you start buying those drinks.

The two main areas for these bars are The Nana Plaza on Sukhumvit Soi 4, and Soi Cowboy very close to the Asoke / Terminal 21 intersection on Sukhmvit. It is a 15 odd minute walk between these two areas.

2) BJ Bars:

There are a dozen or so bars around lower Sukhumvit and a simple Google search will give you locations / websites. Very simple system here. Walk in, choose your girl, she'll take you upstairs, clean you up, suck the juice out of you, clean you up, you pay up and away you go, a happy man! Expect to pay 800-1500 baht for the service. In general, girl quality will be lower than the go-gos. Almost all girls here are also available for full service.

3) Massages:

In principle, you've got two types: Soapies, and Oilies. No prizes for guessing the distinguishing features of each.

Soapies are where you have a large place with tonnes of girls presented to you in the (in) famous fishbowl. Where they are behind a glass wall and you choose them based on the numbered tag they wear. Pricing is generally higher (RTFF for recent pricing) and are dependent on the category of the girl. They have 2-3 different categories of girls. Note that Soapies are dwindling for a variety of reasons.

Oilies are traditional oil massage places where you get all inclusive services for 2500-3000 baht. Many offer multiple pops. Please check the BKK Massage thread for details on this.

I suspect this is all you'll require for your first trip and hope this has been of help. Please pay it forward and report back your experiences.

Cheers / Pulse.[/QUOTE]I've done mongering a bit, but Thailand is brand new territory for me. I appreciate the pointers. Is there newbie guides for this stuff. Any other suggestions? What about hotels? I'm not really looking for soap bath. Mongeirng in the states is pricey. Yeah there's top shelf looking Asians ladies in nortt east states but they're easily 300+ USD. And that's for and it depends on the provider you can be rushed, lame experience, etc.

And any suggestions for hotels, etc, I heard tinder or other matchmaking apps can help find good deals. Also what is a good price for a freelance lady.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825917]I'm not anti-LGBTQ I'm not homophobic. However I looking for specially ladies who were born female. Can you elaborate on this a little more? Should I ask if they were born female as a precaution? Should I expect a honest response? I made a tinder for Bangkok. There was a great looking freelance girl kept in contact with. I can tell she's had those "K-pop" looking type of plastic surgeries and breast implants. She said she's born a female. Does that usually mean a green light? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Born a female? You have questions as to her veracity? Have her show you ID then.

The signs I speak of are for reality based observations, ie real life, not the internet. Anything goes on the net.

I could make myself attractive for the internet with the use of filters. Not hard for a tranny then. Scary huh? Click on a photo of a chick that looks like Lisa and then get me. Can you say, projectile vomit?

I'm not a net guy in areas where there are hotties everywhere. I.

Oh I thought of another. I have never seen a LB on the streets of BKK with a big bird chest tattoo. I can't speak to Pattaya, but I think that Tatoo is for girls.

The most important tip: if its your first trip to Thailand, go back and read the posts here for the past year, at a minimum. Read the posts from the guys who know what's what. Then ask questions.

The second most important tip: Money talks. Thailand isn't Third World and hasn't been for years. You want $10 pussy try Africa or the back alleys of Cambodia at 4 am.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825917]I'm not anti-LGBTQ I'm not homophobic. However I looking for specially ladies who were born female. Can you elaborate on this a little more? Should I ask if they were born female as a precaution? Should I expect a honest response? I made a tinder for Bangkok. There was a great looking freelance girl kept in contact with. I can tell she's had those "K-pop" looking type of plastic surgeries and breast implants. She said she's born a female. Does that usually mean a green light? Thanks.[/QUOTE]This Thailand forum has a thread titled “Identifying Transvestites“. It hasn't been used in quite some time, but it is still there and still contains good information. I suggest anybody concerned with trannies take a look at that thread.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825917]I can tell she's had those "K-pop" looking type of plastic surgeries and breast implants. She said she's born a female. Does that usually mean a green light? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Just by reading your post I would think it's a LB. She might have used these words because of the words you used to ask her, but usually these kind of answers would come mostly from LBs plus the obvious surgeries point to LBs too.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825917]Should I expect a honest response? [/QUOTE]No, don't expect someone you don't know to be honest with you, LBs are known to be the biggest scammers in Thailand.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825918]Thailand is brand new territory for me. Is there newbie guides for this stuff? Any other suggestions? Any suggestions for hotels, etc.? I heard tinder or other matchmaking apps can help find good deals. Also what is a good price for a freelance lady?[/QUOTE]Go to the Bangkok Reports forum, then go back 50-100 pages.

Start reading. You'll see reports that answer all your questions. Do the same in the Pattaya Reports forum. There are also forums for Bangkok Hotels and Pattaya Hotel. Use Google maps to get the lay of the land. If a place sounds interesting, find it on the map. You can often find photos and more reviews on other sites. This is particularly true for lodging.

You won't get very far posting multiple begging inquiries that suggest you're too lazy to do some homework.

Bunky

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825918]I've done mongering a bit, but Thailand is brand new territory for me. I appreciate the pointers. Is there newbie guides for this stuff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bunky;2826161]Go to the Bangkok Reports forum, then go back 50-100 pages.[/QUOTE]We could use a thread for beginning Thailand mongers. Call it something like "Thailand Punting 101" or "Quick Start Guide to Thailand P4P". Thread intended for general information only, not detailed reports. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd start such a thread myself. Any ambitious vets that would be willing to start such thread? Would need to write a decent first report with some basics, others could add to it later. It could reduce clutter in our more popular "advanced" threads.

Long ago Tijuana had a report called "Brockton O'Tools TJ Guide". Whenever beginning questions came up, people were just pointed to that document. We could do something similar with a user blog thread.

I have been going around SEA for the last couple of months (Phillipines, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Indonesia and now Thailand) so I'm not on a weekend millionare budget willing to spend 6000 baht on a session. So I decided to opt for Fiwifans / Sideline to see if it is worth the price. I stayed in an airbnb in Huai Kwang filled with either Chinese or Chinese-Thai. I really can't tell the difference but I do hear a number of people speaking Mandarin instead of Thai.

Girl 1: Pasta from Fiwifans. Messaged her (or rather her agent) and got a reply within a minute. Scheduled a 12:30 session. Came to the hotel about 15 minutes early and messaged them. Got the room number and went in. Pasta was really cute and friendly. The room was a bit of a mess and she apologized. Gave her the money upfront 1500/60 minutes, two shots. She looked mostly like her picture though she had glasses that she didn't take off during the session. Showered together, BBBJ, cowgirl and then missionary when I came. Relaxed a bit, washed off my junk and she asked if I was ready for a second shot. Asked her to wait a bit she she started gently massaging me. I asked her to try to get me hard but really wasn't happening so I did some DATY on her and then we laid down together, her head on my chest watching TV until the session was over. She declined DFK saying her throat was bad and only gave / took some pecks. English was pretty good. Girl was clearly young and seemed less than experienced. Would repeat but she is off to Phuket today for some are&are so probably won't have a chance.

Girl 2: Haru from Sideline. Messaged them and got a reply within 10 minutes. Went to the hotel and similar procedure to girl 1. 1500/1 hour, 1 shot. Girl was not the same as the picture and was shorter but I was horny and wasn't going to complain too much over 1500 baht. Face was not great but body was ok, not fat. She was again friendly and we did cowgirl and missionary before I came. I was basically done after 30 minutes and really had no motivation to stick around so I left. Would not repeat.

Girl 3: Ingfha from Fiwifans. Same agency as Haru, didn't notice until after. She was the right height and had some nice fake tits and a good ass (probably also fake). Face was much worse than the picture online but I decided to focus on the body. From the morning learned by lesson and did 40 minutes /1300,1 shot. BBBJ, cowgirl, missionary, her on her stomach, cowgirl again and finally HJ to finish me off. Used about 30 minutes and washed off on the shower. May repeat since the body was good.

Observations:

1. There is a whole bunch of girls on Ratchada 17. If you want easy access, a lot of the girls work at Watana Hotel and Aryan Suites. Probably some others there but I haven't explored enough to identify. Girls 2 and 3 were in Watana.

2. I am American but a brown person. I haven't really had any overt racism against me and none of the girls rejected me. Though I do dress decent, shower and am generally pretty nice.

3. There seems to be a steady stream of girls dressed in sexy clothes coming in and out of my building (XT Huaikhwang). Some of them even appear to live here. The apartments are beautiful and rent is only about $400-$500/ month for a studio. The girls don't seem old enough or wealthy enough to be able to afford this place on their own. These girls are hotter and younger than the majority of what I have seen on fiwfans and MPs. Not sure if some guys are putting them up in here or if the Chinese / Thai-Chinese are using this place as a love shack. I have seen similar things from my time in China so maybe. Please comment if you have any input on this.

4. So many pretty girls everywhere. If I was here longer term, I may try to get some non-pro / semi-pro girls for myself or get them on some long term deal like a mia noi but alas, I have other places to go and things to do. Not sure how easy it would be to capture some of the lighter skin Chinese-Thai as a brown person.

Doing my first work trip to BKK since Covid. Done most of the attractions there in visits (and a solo mongering outing in 2019) - soapies, sandwich, Goldie's escorts (Bangkok Gold. Is she out of business now? Bar pickups and Thermae. Since this is a short trip, looking for 1 or 2 outings only. But something different than the usual. Open to any suggestions.

Milking table on MR, Janthip (not sure if she will be in Dubai or BKK) are a couple of things that caught my eye. Any options that are "off the beaten track" or different adventures that you have experienced?

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2826352]I have been going around SEA for the last couple of months (Phillipines, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Indonesia and now Thailand) so I'm not on a weekend millionare budget willing to spend 6000 baht on a session. So I decided to opt for Fiwifans / Sideline to see if it is worth the price. I stayed in an airbnb in Huai Kwang filled with either Chinese or Chinese-Thai. I really can't tell the difference but I do hear a number of people speaking Mandarin instead of Thai.

Girl 1: Pasta from Fiwifans. Messaged her (or rather her agent) and got a reply within a minute. Scheduled a 12:30 session. Came to the hotel about 15 minutes early and messaged them. Got the room number and went in. Pasta was really cute and friendly. The room was a bit of a mess and she apologized. Gave her the money upfront 1500/60 minutes, two shots. She looked mostly like her picture though she had glasses that she didn't take off during the session. Showered together, BBBJ, cowgirl and then missionary when I came. Relaxed a bit, washed off my junk and she asked if I was ready for a second shot. Asked her to wait a bit she she started gently massaging me. I asked her to try to get me hard but really wasn't happening so I did some DATY on her and then we laid down together, her head on my chest watching TV until the session was over. She declined DFK saying her throat was bad and only gave / took some pecks. English was pretty good. Girl was clearly young and seemed less than experienced. Would repeat but she is off to Phuket today for some are&are so probably won't have a chance..[/QUOTE]Very helpful report. Always nice to know where the bee hive is. Thank you!

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193]Question to the Thai vets. I've been watching some YT videos of guys that hook up with Thai women and they claim none of them are hookers. Some are in their videos. Do you think they are lying. How easy or hard is it to go to Bangkok and date attractive 18 to 25 girls that are 100% normal girls. Isn't the whole city one big working girl house. Don't most attractive girls go into prostitution there because it pays so much better. Also don't most regular girls not want to be seen with an American because people will think she is a ho.[/QUOTE]If its on YT they are probably lying. That said, Thailand isn't some weird place, there are plenty of girls looking to bang just like anywhere.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825464]Same here. I'm planning a trip there, it's my first time there. Any advice for first time mongering there? Stuff to give try? Stuff to avoid? Any post or threads with newbie guides?[/QUOTE]Read the sub. Concentrate on MPs first. Forget about thai friendly or fiw fans or any of that. Go to an MP and bang. Gogos are fun to hang out at, but MPs simple and easy are go in and get sex and leave.

Massage Parlor "MP" = brothel. This is your first stop. Get at least 1. 5 hours.

Gogo = Strip club with takeout. Open at night, more expensive than MP and you need to take them to your room. Negotiate prices.

Escort serve = escort service, can book online or with LINE / whatsapp / etc.

Streetwalkers = Cheaper than gogos & MPs, quality is variable.

Thermae = spot under Rumchitt hotel where working girls hang out and you can go in a browse and take them home, quality is variable.

Thai Friendly (TF) FiwFans = For people who like the hunt, most skip it, this forum is not representative.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2825747]In preparation to my next trip to BKK I have been messaging some MPs asking details on the services. A couple of them which gave more infos specified that BJs are performed with (CBJ). This statenent that left me very surprised! Usually in Asia I rarely found CBJ services.

This will be my first time in BKK so I am not an expert in the area. I wonder if this is the normality? I though BBBJTC was a standard.

Thanks for any comment.[/QUOTE]Every sex worker in thailand I have been with over many years did BBBJ. All of them. YMMV. Most did CIM. But just tell them you're going to CIM and they will. This aint the first BJ they've given. Probably not the first of the day dude.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825839]When it comes to BJ bars, do they have higher end BJ bars that have a full service large shower, and large room, so you can get a hour BJ, or are they all hole in the wall dirty rooms with a sink. Would I be better off asking the manager for the throat champ of the place and take her to my hotel for an hour BJ. What would the fine at a BJ bar be for that.[/QUOTE]Most are "hole in the wall dirty rooms" with unattractive women ( 40 years old, chubby, bad teeth, etc.). If nasty is what you are looking for, this is your place. A somewhat higher end, and higher price, is 7-Heaven. I can't comment on BJ outcalls but personally I would never bother.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2826194]Long ago Tijuana had a report called "Brockton O'Toole's TJ Guide". Whenever beginning questions came up, people were just pointed to that document.[/QUOTE]Now THAT'S a blast from the past. I remember O'Toole's Tijuana FAQ from the days of Usenet newsgroups, circa 1995. As Mr. H. Trader noted, it was a handy primer for gents who wanted to visit the Zona Norte in Tijuana. Even somebody traveling alone who spoke no Spanish could follow the FAQ and have a successful evening at the Chicago Club, Adelita Bar or Hong Kong Club. The author seemed to put considerable effort into keeping it current in those days, and to responding to questions posted in the newsgroups. You can find old copies of it floating around on various web sites. But it hasn't been updated in decades.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2825792]OK.

Surgical Ass, never met a real Thai Girl with a big old surgical ass.

Tall.

Big Hands.

Big Feet.

Deep Voice.

Big Tits in combo with another sign.

Square jaw.

Adams apple.

Exaggerated mannerisms.

Can't get into Thermae.

Hows that?[/QUOTE]All I can add is not only deep voice, but loud when they talk also. Kind of fits in with the exaggerated too. Oh, and I know their passport with show "male" Thailand won't put up with the BS of choosing for yourself, not sure about their ID? Oh, and might be able to notice receding hairline.

[QUOTE=Svelte;2826505]Most are "hole in the wall dirty rooms" with unattractive women ( 40 years old, chubby, bad teeth, etc.). If nasty is what you are looking for, this is your place. A somewhat higher end, and higher price, is 7-Heaven. I can't comment on BJ outcalls but personally I would never bother.[/QUOTE]Checked out the website of 7 heaven. Looks awesome. 70 bucks for a double BJ. The girls look young and pretty attractive. How is the service. Pse blowjob or standard. Do the girls look worse in person.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2825193]Question to the Thai vets. I've been watching some YT videos of guys that hook up with Thai women and they claim none of them are hookers. Some are in their videos. Do you think they are lying. How easy or hard is it to go to Bangkok and date attractive 18 to 25 girls that are 100% normal girls. Isn't the whole city one big working girl house. Don't most attractive girls go into prostitution there because it pays so much better. Also don't most regular girls not want to be seen with an American because people will think she is a ho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2826454]If its on YT they are probably lying. That said, Thailand isn't some weird place, there are plenty of girls looking to bang just like anywhere.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Same factors apply as anywhere else though Thai girls are much easier to charm than in most of the world. If you can speak at least basic Thai, most of the race concerns go away. And if you are relatively young (under 40), it is very possible to hook-up. You just need to make an effort. Girls here are like most Asian girls, shy. Speaking Thai breaks the ice quite well. Just turn up the charm a bit and you will at least have some success. Though don't expect to hook-up with 90% of the girls you talk to, it's more like 10% here for hot girls whereas in the west it might be 1%. Still 10 x better is much improved odds.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2826585]Checked out the website of 7 heaven. Looks awesome. 70 bucks for a double BJ. The girls look young and pretty attractive. How is the service. Pse blowjob or standard. Do the girls look worse in person.[/QUOTE]7 heaven is one of my favorite spots in bkk. I think it beats out all of the BJ bars in terms of concept, quality and venue. In all my visits I found the girls there to be typically younger, better looking and hygiene is a step up. For example the room has a bed and fresh sheets rather than beat-up couches and flimsy curtain dividers. On most occasions the basic one girl bbj + CIM package does the trick, but the two girl combos or 'mirror rooms' can add a bit of flair if you need something a bit more than the basic to get your engine going. Overall a solid option if you are looking for a quick 30 min snack between your main meals.

This is a pretty specific ask, but if anyone will know it will be here.

A while back I was in Colombia and stumbled upon a service that offered airport pickup. Basically a driver would meet you at the airport with a girl waiting in the car so that you could, uh, unwind on the way to your accommodations. I passed on that as I wasn't convinced of my own safety in that situation given that it was my first visit to the country.

Does any such service exist Bangkok? Traffic would be much more enjoyable with a cute face in my lap and I'm sure I would arrive at my hotel feeing much more relaxed.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2825792]OK.

Surgical Ass, never met a real Thai Girl with a big old surgical ass.[/QUOTE]You may want to add that their fourth finger will be longer than their index finger since that is the case for men.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2826658]This is a pretty specific ask, but if anyone will know it will be here.

A while back I was in Colombia and stumbled upon a service that offered airport pickup. Basically a driver would meet you at the airport with a girl waiting in the car so that you could, uh, unwind on the way to your accommodations. I passed on that as I wasn't convinced of my own safety in that situation given that it was my first visit to the country.

Does any such service exist Bangkok? Traffic would be much more enjoyable with a cute face in my lap and I'm sure I would arrive at my hotel feeing much more relaxed.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure there is not such a service anymore (after the pandemic) as I looked into this recently enough myself. There used to be such a service from a place called Devil's den it was quite famous but it closed down during Covid. No-one has re-opened such a service I guess because of cost and probably lack of popularity. Also the authorities / airport may not have liked it?

One of the escort agencies, I think it's elite, does advertise airport pickup's. It's buried on their website. I emailed them to ask but never got a response. If you you get any further let me know, I'd be interested!

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2826194]We could use a thread for beginning Thailand mongers. Call it something like "Thailand Punting 101" or "Quick Start Guide to Thailand P4P". Thread intended for general information only, not detailed reports. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd start such a thread myself. Any ambitious vets that would be willing to start such thread? Would need to write a decent first report with some basics, others could add to it later. It could reduce clutter in our more popular "advanced" threads.

Long ago Tijuana had a report called "Brockton O'Tools TJ Guide". Whenever beginning questions came up, people were just pointed to that document. We could do something similar with a user blog thread.[/QUOTE]Might not be exactly a newbie how-to guide, but the ROD's (Reports of Distinction thread) would be a good place to start. There's a reason why links get put there.

I'd also suggest reading Stickman's columns (Google is your friend.

And like [b]Bunky[/b] posted, spend some time reading some recent posts (more than just the current page), then search (how to in ROD's) for more info on places that interest [b]YOU[/b]. A number of punters have taken the time and made the effort to pass on useful info so avail yourself of that.

Problem with Stick is he is too much into Propaganda. He said that Anime club in Nana was the bomb. Bombed right into Bankruptcy.

His readers give more accurate s info about Thailand via Their emails.

Also stick loves to push in Nana all the agogos with no customers aka Whiskey, etc. Weird.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2826680]Might not be exactly a newbie how-to guide, but the ROD's (Reports of Distinction thread) would be a good place to start. There's a reason why links get put there.

I'd also suggest reading Stickman's columns (Google is your friend.

And like [b]Bunky[/b] posted, spend some time reading some recent posts (more than just the current page), then search (how to in ROD's) for more info on places that interest [b]YOU[/b]. A number of punters have taken the time and made the effort to pass on useful info so avail yourself of that.[/QUOTE]The problem with RODs is that you have to wade through some rookie punters sexual fantasy novel to glean a gem of reality. They come from the main forum anyway, and you are frequently better off with a four liner post from a vet than a novel about some guys adventure six months ago in a place that does not exist anymore, or has been restaffed with fuglies.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2826664]You may want to add that their fourth finger will be longer than their index finger since that is the case for men.[/QUOTE]I don't get that close. Plus my index and 4th are the same size and I, last time I looked, am a man, even if only a fat, stoned, old and smarmy semblence of one.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2826658]This is a pretty specific ask, but if anyone will know it will be here.

A while back I was in Colombia and stumbled upon a service that offered airport pickup. Basically a driver would meet you at the airport with a girl waiting in the car so that you could, uh, unwind on the way to your accommodations. I passed on that as I wasn't convinced of my own safety in that situation given that it was my first visit to the country.

Does any such service exist Bangkok? Traffic would be much more enjoyable with a cute face in my lap and I'm sure I would arrive at my hotel feeing much more relaxed.[/QUOTE]There are several services, you should check the Pattaya forum because that's where I think it would be more useful. Its not that far from the airport to BKK, especially late night.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2826657]7 heaven is one of my favorite spots in bkk. I think it beats out all of the BJ bars in terms of concept, quality and venue. In all my visits I found the girls there to be typically younger, better looking and hygiene is a step up. For example the room has a bed and fresh sheets rather than beat-up couches and flimsy curtain dividers. On most occasions the basic one girl bbj + CIM package does the trick, but the two girl combos or 'mirror rooms' can add a bit of flair if you need something a bit more than the basic to get your engine going. Overall a solid option if you are looking for a quick 30 min snack between your main meals.[/QUOTE]The pics of the girls are photoshopped so she isn't going to be as hot. Thats of my last visit in March.

I once found a girl on TF, she picked me up from airport, went with me to hotel and we have great sex.

I paid her 1300 for taxi, and 1500 for Fuck.

She wasn't bad looking.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2826658]This is a pretty specific ask, but if anyone will know it will be here.

A while back I was in Colombia and stumbled upon a service that offered airport pickup. Basically a driver would meet you at the airport with a girl waiting in the car so that you could, uh, unwind on the way to your accommodations. I passed on that as I wasn't convinced of my own safety in that situation given that it was my first visit to the country.

Does any such service exist Bangkok? Traffic would be much more enjoyable with a cute face in my lap and I'm sure I would arrive at my hotel feeing much more relaxed.[/QUOTE]

I am asking for a friend in Philippines who has a friend with major GI issues the past 5 years. She has been to many PH doctors and hospitals and have many diagnoses and still sick. He is wondering if doctors or a medical clinic or hospital in Bangkok would be much better? And if so, which ones? Also I heard BKK medical costs are cheaper than western countries but how much cheaper?

Thank you all for your input.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2826463]Every sex worker in thailand I have been with over many years did BBBJ. All of them. YMMV. Most did CIM. But just tell them you're going to CIM and they will. This aint the first BJ they've given. Probably not the first of the day dude.[/QUOTE]Ahahah, you're so right. Thanks for the comment. I probably have hit the only exception.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2826657]7 heaven is one of my favorite spots in bkk. I think it beats out all of the BJ bars in terms of concept, quality and venue. In all my visits I found the girls there to be typically younger, better looking and hygiene is a step up. For example the room has a bed and fresh sheets rather than beat-up couches and flimsy curtain dividers. On most occasions the basic one girl bbj + CIM package does the trick, but the two girl combos or 'mirror rooms' can add a bit of flair if you need something a bit more than the basic to get your engine going. Overall a solid option if you are looking for a quick 30 min snack between your main meals.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, 7 heaven is one of the first place I wish to visit once I am in BKK. Have you tried the two girls? Is it worth? I was thinking to start my BKK experience with that.

I have read good comments also on Madam Claude BJ bar. That one offers the combo package too.

Thanks to anyone wishing to share any info on this experiences.

I visited Patty at Cherry Massage and choose the 2-hour program for 2300 baht. During a 2-hours program I like to get two fucks in, one in the beginning and one in the end. When the first fuck was finished, Patty offered some massage and asked me to lay on my stomach. She gave me a body-to-body-ish massage and then she started rimming. Rimming really doesn't do anything to me, licking my leg or my stomach would have the same effect, but I didn't want to disturb her in her program. At first I thought she would do the rimming for maybe 2-3 minutes, but she just kept going and going and going. She then started rubbing her clit against my leg as she was rimming and it was quite obvious that rimming was her thing. It hard to say, but she probably kept rimming for a good 15 or 20 minutes. So, for all of you who likes to receive rimming, Patty at Cherry Massage is your go-to girl.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2826658]This is a pretty specific ask, but if anyone will know it will be here.

A while back I was in Colombia and stumbled upon a service that offered airport pickup. Basically a driver would meet you at the airport with a girl waiting in the car so that you could, uh, unwind on the way to your accommodations. I passed on that as I wasn't convinced of my own safety in that situation given that it was my first visit to the country.

Does any such service exist Bangkok? Traffic would be much more enjoyable with a cute face in my lap and I'm sure I would arrive at my hotel feeing much more relaxed.[/QUOTE]There were services in the past that did this. Mostly out of Pattaya not Bangkok though. That forum may have more info. From a practical standpoint, BKK airport is fairly close to the city, like 30-40 ish minutes, while Pattaya is more like 1. 5 hours, and more geared toward that activity.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2826803]I am asking for a friend in Philippines who has a friend with major GI issues the past 5 years. She has been to many PH doctors and hospitals and have many diagnoses and still sick. He is wondering if doctors or a medical clinic or hospital in Bangkok would be much better? And if so, which ones? Also I heard BKK medical costs are cheaper than western countries but how much cheaper?

Thank you all for your input.[/QUOTE]I had a heart attack and a stent, the work was done by BNH Cardio Dept, two ambulances, stent, 5 Docs, 3 days private room, meals, tight white unforms concealing fabulous asses etc, plus followup came to about $14 K. Insurance paid me back. It would have been about $45 K here in the Land of the Free. They did a great job.

The two major expat hospitals are Bummygrad in Suk area and BNH in Silom.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2826927]I had a heart attack and a stent, the work was done by BNH Cardio Dept, two ambulances, stent, 5 Docs, 3 days private room, meals, tight white unforms concealing fabulous asses etc, plus followup came to about $14 K. Insurance paid me back. It would have been about $45 K here in the Land of the Free. They did a great job.

The two major expat hospitals are Bummygrad in Suk area and BNH in Silom.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the information.

Do you think Bummygrad would have been in the $14 k range too?

I think the Land of the Free would have been $90 k plus.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2826851]Thanks for the info, 7 heaven is one of the first place I wish to visit once I am in BKK. Have you tried the two girls? Is it worth? I was thinking to start my BKK experience with that.

I have read good comments also on Madam Claude BJ bar. That one offers the combo package too.

Thanks to anyone wishing to share any info on this experiences.[/QUOTE]Two girl experiences are 90% of the time just a gimmick. And that's world wide, not just in Thailand. 10% of the time when it does work out it comes down to luck, chemistry and setting. Which is difficult trifecta to calibrate when you are short on time. So having said that, and to answer you question. Yes I have tried the two girl combo at 7 heaven, and I think it's just another gimmick with diminished returns. One girl does the job just as well tbh. Remember. This place is more of a utility gas station rather than a destination itself. That's just my humble opinion. Although, after a few drinks, allot of gimmicks start sounding like a good ideas.

Apple at Maverick Ratchada hotel- Originally booked Lukked but when I arrived I was told that she went out to dinner. Since I was already in the hotel, I was offered two other girls and I took Apple. The images are fairly shopped and the girl is older than the pictures, maybe mid-thirties. Services was generally good though. She was a lot more willing and interactive than the other girls and licked me all over. Experience was ok but I wouldn't repeat due to the the extent of the photoshop.

Pao Pao at Watana hotel- Another fairly standard experience. Girl was 80% the girl in the pictures and was pretty hot. Nice albeit fake tits, with an ok ass and nice waist. Normal routine with shower and sex, she did lick my balls which was nice and she was on the friendlier side of my experiences, giving me a couple of hugs towards the end of the session. No DFK though because of braces.

Has anyone gotten DFK from any of the online girls? Most of the adds claim they have it but I haven't had a girl give it during any of my sessions.

Side note: As I entered the elevator to my building, I noticed two sexy girls. All I wanted to do was grab them and fuck them. I feel like this is my standard experience coming back after a session. If I end up taking a trip here for any extended amount of time, I really am going to need to make an effort to learn some Thai and try my luck at these sexy girls in their 20's.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2827058]Has anyone gotten DFK from any of the online girls? Most of the adds claim they have it but I haven't had a girl give it during any of my sessions.[/QUOTE]Yeah I got DFK I believe from 2 of the 3 ladies I saw at Madam888 or somethign like that. IIRC their names were namphon and chompoo.

Pink Nipples at Pacha. Very above average face. 23.

Palace doesn't disappoint. Farm Fresh 20 year old. Wow.

Both appear Friendly. Breasts original. A must for me.

Both would get 3 Barfines a night at Rainbows in Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2827044]Two girl experiences are 90% of the time just a gimmick. And that's world wide, not just in Thailand. 10% of the time when it does work out it comes down to luck, chemistry and setting. Which is difficult trifecta to calibrate when you are short on time. So having said that, and to answer you question. Yes I have tried the two girl combo at 7 heaven, and I think it's just another gimmick with diminished returns. One girl does the job just as well tbh. Remember. This place is more of a utility gas station rather than a destination itself. That's just my humble opinion. Although, after a few drinks, allot of gimmicks start sounding like a good ideas.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comment. Understand and agree with your points. Actually in the past in other countries I have tried the duo experience, with lesbian actions too. It was fun, nice adventure, I was also lucky because the two ladies were doing anything I was asking for and had fun too! But after doing that a few times, I went back to the good ol' one lady experience. And when that one is good, you end up better off than with two.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2826963]Thank you for the information.

Do you think Bummygrad would have been in the $14 k range too?

I think the Land of the Free would have been $90 k plus.[/QUOTE]No idea, I lik BNH and would have all my work done there if necessary. BNH is in a nicer area too.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2827044]Two girl experiences are 90% of the time just a gimmick. And that's world wide, not just in Thailand. 10% of the time when it does work out it comes down to luck, chemistry and setting. Which is difficult trifecta to calibrate when you are short on time. So having said that, and to answer you question. Yes I have tried the two girl combo at 7 heaven, and I think it's just another gimmick with diminished returns. One girl does the job just as well tbh. Remember. This place is more of a utility gas station rather than a destination itself. That's just my humble opinion. Although, after a few drinks, allot of gimmicks start sounding like a good ideas.[/QUOTE]I would add that the oft repeated recommendation to choose your first girl and let her choose the second one because she will surely choose one who will rock your world and add serious value to the experience doesn't really make sense in theory and, for me, has never worked out that way in practice.

Why would the first girl you choose have any interest in introducing you to another one as good as her in looks and / or service much less better than her in any way? Her interest would be to bring in a fugly who would not outshine her in any way lest you decide to repeat with only the one she chose when the threesome itch passes, which she knows it will.

The only threesome out of a dozen or so I tried over the decades was when I unknowingly chose two rivals in a bar in the Philippines. I didn't let my first choice girl choose the second one. I did the choosing. Turns out the two I chose had been engaged in a blood feud competition for customers for months. Neither would have chosen the other as a threesome partner in a million years. LOL. Consequently, it was Game On for which one could impress me the more in the room. None of this "get along with" stuff. That was the only threesome I ever had that was worth a damn.

Being with 2 girls is fun to do on occasion. Change things up. When I go to Brazil I try to do one three way per trip. Most of the time one girls is best.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2826851]Thanks for the info, 7 heaven is one of the first place I wish to visit once I am in BKK. Have you tried the two girls? Is it worth? I was thinking to start my BKK experience with that.

I have read good comments also on Madam Claude BJ bar. That one offers the combo package too.

Thanks to anyone wishing to share any info on this experiences.[/QUOTE]I tried, waste of money. It is a bucket list thing. They just did the job one after the other while the other licks your nipples. Pretty girls but for 2500 you can get way more even these days. Seems to have become a preferred Asian location as I was literally the only non-Asian customer.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2827282]Her interest would be to bring in a fugly ...[/QUOTE]More often they bring in a friend of theirs they feel sorry for because she can't get customers on her own. It's silly, paying for two girls but only choosing one of them yourself.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2827282]I would add that the oft repeated recommendation to choose your first girl and let her choose the second one because she will surely choose one who will rock your world and add serious value to the experience doesn't really make sense in theory and, for me, has never worked out that way in practice.

Why would the first girl you choose have any interest in introducing you to another one as good as her in looks and / or service much less better than her in any way? Her interest would be to bring in a fugly who would not outshine her in any way lest you decide to repeat with only the one she chose when the threesome itch passes, which she knows it will.

The only threesome out of a dozen or so I tried over the decades was when I unknowingly chose two rivals in a bar in the Philippines. I didn't let my first choice girl choose the second one. I did the choosing. Turns out the two I chose had been engaged in a blood feud competition for customers for months. Neither would have chosen the other as a threesome partner in a million years. LOL. Consequently, it was Game On for which one could impress me the more in the room. None of this "get along with" stuff. That was the only threesome I ever had that was worth a damn.[/QUOTE]Further agree. The only one that was ever worth a shit for me was when I paid waaaay tooo much.

You want a threesome go to an FKK.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2827282]…The only threesome out of a dozen or so I tried over the decades was when I unknowingly chose two rivals in a bar in the Philippines. I didn't let my first choice girl choose the second one. I did the choosing. Turns out the two I chose had been engaged in a blood feud competition for customers for months. Neither would have chosen the other as a threesome partner in a million years. LOL. Consequently, it was Game On for which one could impress me the more in the room. None of this "get along with" stuff. That was the only threesome I ever had that was worth a damn.[/QUOTE]Thanks to all for the comments. I guess I will ask to the mamasan specifically what I would like to happen in the session. If she will get off the point, or so, I will decline and go for the single one. Definitely it is a bucket list experience, which I actually already had in the past, but sometimes willing to repeat.

Anyone every tried the new Madam Claude? Read good comments on this place.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2827447]Further agree. The only one that was ever worth a shit for me was when I paid waaaay tooo much.

You want a threesome go to an FKK.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I had my worst 3-some at one of the FKKs. I also had a few decent ones there as well. My best 3-some was in Bangkok, at that place that was managed by a French guy.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2827495]Unfortunately I had my worst 3-some at one of the FKKs. I also had a few decent ones there as well. My best 3-some was in Bangkok, at that place that was managed by a French guy.[/QUOTE]The old Eden Club? Thats way old days, I forgot all about that, I had a fun threesome there too.

But its gone.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2827447]Further agree. The only one that was ever worth a shit for me was when I paid waaaay tooo much.

You want a threesome go to an FKK.[/QUOTE]If you want a good threesome just be up front with what the fuck you want and tell the girls and make sure they understand. Its not that hard, you people are getting weird. You pay them and tell them what to deliver. Same everywhere. FKKs ain't neccesairly going to be better. The only ones that are going to be better is getting western escorts that work as a pair and are already into each other and go there excited that they get to do lesbian action with their friend and have a threeway. Thailand is fine. Plenty of good threesome, some less good, but being upfront and clear on what you want the experience to be is an easy way to solve most P4 P threesome issues.

Hell in thailand you can even ignore the whole FKK ripoff where they do 'lesbian show' instead of 'lesbian sex'.

Are beer bars scattered around Bangkok or just in red light districts? Can I get to a few no matter where in Bangkok I am in a 10 or 15 minute motor bike taxi? Thanks for any info.

I stayed for a while in the middle of phuket and there were 4 or so areas I could go to find some in a short bike taxi

[QUOTE=Horatio;2827884]Are beer bars scattered around Bangkok or just in red light districts? Can I get to a few no matter where in Bangkok I am in a 10 or 15 minute motor bike taxi? Thanks for any info.

I stayed for a while in the middle of phuket and there were 4 or so areas I could go to find some in a short bike taxi[/QUOTE]I've spent about 7 nights in BKK hotels outside of red light areas, I found zero girly beer bars in the immediate areas. I did find a very few street freelancers and a couple of regular massage places that were willing to provide full services.

Options were few. Very few.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2827884]Are beer bars scattered around Bangkok or just in red light districts?[/QUOTE]Almost entirely in the areas that cater to naughty boys: Soi Cowboy and lower Sukhumvit, near the Nana Skytrain station.

In Pattaya, by way of contrast, beer bars are everywhere. Some might not have very many girls, or very many attractive girls. But if you want to sit in a semi-outdoor place and have a cold one you never have to walk more than about 50 meters.

Bunky

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2827604]...Hell in thailand you can even ignore the whole FKK ripoff where they do 'lesbian show' instead of 'lesbian sex'.[/QUOTE]FKK ripoff? I've been to the FKKs in Germany and Switzerland, many many times and I have never seen them advertise lesbian shows. It's all about sex between FKK girls and customers. The closest it got to shows was at times the girl themselves would start a dance show late at night to their own home music. That was quite fun to watch actually.

[QUOTE=Betong;2827436]More often they bring in a friend of theirs they feel sorry for because she can't get customers on her own. It's silly, paying for two girls but only choosing one of them yourself.[/QUOTE]That is indeed more often than not the girl your first girl will choose for your threesome. In Thailand, that is. Then in the room you will find out why that second girl hadn't been taken or repeated by a customer in a long, long time.

And on another point that was made about this, I doubt anybody is as upfront and detailed about what the fuck I want to happen in the room before I take individual girls or the rare two girls at a time as I am. Including not taking them until I get a clear and unambiguous affirmative Yes to the critical details.

Doesn't matter. Again, in Thailand, that is.

When one or two Thai girls in your room decide they're going to renege on any or all of what they agreed to upfront, they will no matter how detailed or firm you and they were about it. Without hesitation. In the case if a threesome your best potential result is that only one hides in the toilet or just watches on the sidelines while at least the other one delivers the goods as agreed upfront. Yeah, you can cancel the money part of the deal with the slacker and put that one out with taxi fare. But that is no longer a threesome, right? Or you can cancel both, suit up and go back out to negotiate, detail and arrange a whole new threesome out there somewhere with two new girls. If you really enjoy repeating that part of the experience over and over again.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2827947]That is indeed more often than not the girl your first girl will choose for your threesome. In Thailand, that is. Then in the room you will find out why that second girl hadn't been taken or repeated by a customer in a long, long time.

And on another point that was made about this, I doubt anybody is as upfront and detailed about what the fuck I want to happen in the room before I take individual girls or the rare two girls at a time as I am. Including not taking them until I get a clear and unambiguous affirmative Yes to the critical details.

Doesn't matter. Again, in Thailand, that is.

When one or two Thai girls in your room decide they're going to renege on any or all of what they agreed to upfront, they will no matter how detailed or firm you and they were about it. Without hesitation. In the case if a threesome your best potential result is that only one hides in the toilet or just watches on the sidelines while at least the other one delivers the goods as agreed upfront. Yeah, you can cancel the money part of the deal with the slacker and put that one out with taxi fare. But that is no longer a threesome, right? Or you can cancel both, suit up and go back out to negotiate, detail and arrange a whole new threesome out there somewhere with two new girls. If you really enjoy repeating that part of the experience over and over again.[/QUOTE]In my experience East Euro FKK girls like girl on girl action more than Thai girls. I don't bother with Thai threesomes any more.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2827925]FKK ripoff? I've been to the FKKs in Germany and Switzerland, many many times and I have never seen them advertise lesbian shows. It's all about sex between FKK girls and customers. The closest it got to shows was at times the girl themselves would start a dance show late at night to their own home music. That was quite fun to watch actually.[/QUOTE]Oh dude, you're missing out some stuff. FKK girls generally have two things, 'lesbian show' which is them dancing around, blah blah blah, in the same room, touching a little, etc. This is what they generally sell, mostly, and its part of stuff they are supposed to do for the FKK and get paid for it. Some FKKs will advertise lesbian shows for everyone or advertise it otherwise, or won't be girls will still do it.

'Lesbian Sex' you can ask from many of them as well, they generally don't advertise it too much, depends on the specific place, but that's when the girls actually do lesbian or lesbian threesome with you, but not all girls will do it, and they sometimes try to say 'lesbian show' instead of 'lesbian sex', to get some cash withhout having to do actual lesbian stuff.

The all you can fuck FKKs used to do this too, but many others do as well, and such. Some girls offer it with a friend, or say can I bring a friend, you just be up front and ask for sex not show and they know what's up and may or may not do it.

A funny one happened to me once, 2 girls were putting on a lesbian show (dancing etc.) I asked to grab one to fuck, she said after show. When show ended she asked if I wanted both instead of just her, and said, sure, but lesbian sex not just show, both said ok, and well, threesome w / lesbian happened, easy enough, you just got to be clear.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2827947]That is indeed more often than not the girl your first girl will choose for your threesome. In Thailand, that is. Then in the room you will find out why that second girl hadn't been taken or repeated by a customer in a long, long time.

And on another point that was made about this, I doubt anybody is as upfront and detailed about what the fuck I want to happen in the room before I take individual girls or the rare two girls at a time as I am. Including not taking them until I get a clear and unambiguous affirmative Yes to the critical details.

Doesn't matter. Again, in Thailand, that is.

When one or two Thai girls in your room decide they're going to renege on any or all of what they agreed to upfront, they will no matter how detailed or firm you and they were about it. Without hesitation. In the case if a threesome your best potential result is that only one hides in the toilet or just watches on the sidelines while at least the other one delivers the goods as agreed upfront. Yeah, you can cancel the money part of the deal with the slacker and put that one out with taxi fare. But that is no longer a threesome, right? Or you can cancel both, suit up and go back out to negotiate, detail and arrange a whole new threesome out there somewhere with two new girls. If you really enjoy repeating that part of the experience over and over again.[/QUOTE]You're super experienced, but this is also a if you're not an older man, things go a lot easier. So take some YMMV across the spectrum here. If I've been clear with the girls what's going to happen, and she brings a friend, I haven't had issues. The variability of how girls treat board members and other patrons are really all over the place.

Oddly enough, I've often found the 'second girl' is many times more into lesbian than the first and that's not at all uncommon on why they were chosen to join. A funny one was I can't remember the club, it wasn't Eden, but might have been, not sure, I feel it wasn't. A bunch of decent girls, asked who would do two girl lesbian to mamasan, she recommended one, I wasn't on board with it, but the girls heard what I wanted and a few were like raised there hand and said they did, choose one (not one mamasan said), she just looked at a friend and I said ok. In the room the girl I choose was english OK and said the other girl is one that likes lesbian the most so she does threesomes with all the other girls, but she's often not a first choice pick so other girls often pick her for lesbian, since she's into it.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2828478]You're super experienced, but this is also a if you're not an older man, things go a lot easier. So take some YMMV across the spectrum here. If I've been clear with the girls what's going to happen, and she brings a friend, I haven't had issues. The variability of how girls treat board members and other patrons are really all over the place.

Oddly enough, I've often found the 'second girl' is many times more into lesbian than the first and that's not at all uncommon on why they were chosen to join. A funny one was I can't remember the club, it wasn't Eden, but might have been, not sure, I feel it wasn't. A bunch of decent girls, asked who would do two girl lesbian to mamasan, she recommended one, I wasn't on board with it, but the girls heard what I wanted and a few were like raised there hand and said they did, choose one (not one mamasan said), she just looked at a friend and I said ok. In the room the girl I choose was english OK and said the other girl is one that likes lesbian the most so she does threesomes with all the other girls, but she's often not a first choice pick so other girls often pick her for lesbian, since she's into it.[/QUOTE]It is also dramatically variable based on the looks, age and level of competence and confidence of the girls one chooses.

I have known guys in their 20's and 30's, much better looking than I am or was at their age, even more fluent in Thai than I am and have mongered here plenty, lived here for months at time in fact who report the exact same Yes Upfront vs No In The Room bullshit I mentioned. Often.

But, like me, they tend to take girls who are definitely not needy for customers, never short on cash and don't work in the accept-all-comers so-called PSE shops.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2828623]It is also dramatically variable based on the looks, age and level of competence and confidence of the girls one chooses.

I have known guys in their 20's and 30's, much better looking than I am or was at their age, even more fluent in Thai than I am and have mongered here plenty, lived here for months at time in fact who report the exact same Yes Upfront vs No In The Room bullshit I mentioned. Often.

But, like me, they tend to take girls who are definitely not needy for customers, never short on cash and don't work in the accept-all-comers so-called PSE shops.[/QUOTE]I'm old and the girls (especially in Thermae) love me because I'm not going to pound the shit out of them and pay well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2828623]It is also dramatically variable based on the looks, age and level of competence and confidence of the girls one chooses.

I have known guys in their 20's and 30's, much better looking than I am or was at their age, even more fluent in Thai than I am and have mongered here plenty, lived here for months at time in fact who report the exact same Yes Upfront vs No In The Room bullshit I mentioned. Often.

But, like me, they tend to take girls who are definitely not needy for customers, never short on cash and don't work in the accept-all-comers so-called PSE shops.[/QUOTE]Understood, I think I'm more making a point that this board tends to skew much older (and often of course quite experienced, which is an understatement) and that's most certainly not the same experience many visitors to thailand being 20's and 30's and such experience walking into a random MP or gogo. There's a huge difference between a 65 year old fat english bloke and a 35 year old decent guy and the two sides probably don't even know the other exists or is treated differently. Everyone is a mark, and girls are different, but the situation is what it is.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2828755]Understood, I think I'm more making a point that this board tends to skew much older (and often of course quite experienced, which is an understatement) and that's most certainly not the same experience many visitors to thailand being 20's and 30's and such experience walking into a random MP or gogo. There's a huge difference between a 65 year old fat english bloke and a 35 year old decent guy and the two sides probably don't even know the other exists or is treated differently. Everyone is a mark, and girls are different, but the situation is what it is.[/QUOTE]Asian girls have no problem with old guys and tend to prefer them. Even fat English blokes can be decent LOL.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2828704]I'm old and the girls (especially in Thermae) love me because I'm not going to pound the shit out of them and pay well.[/QUOTE]Haha. I won't be pounding the shit out of them either and I am willing to pay well too. But only if it is for DFK + BBBJ + BBFSCIP, all agreed to upfront and no tricks. That level of service with a notably attractive girl will for the most part eliminate Thermae as a viable mongering destination for me and, well, practically every other punter of any age, level of fitness and ethnicity I have ever met and chatted with about it over the years. I am sure there must be exceptions here and there. And for sure the Yes Upfront vs No In The Room bit is always a distinct possibility when BBFSCIP is in the upfront deal.

The mind reels at the potential hassles, money and hazards involved in getting two notably better than average lookers in Thermae to both agree upfront to my version of Real Sex in a threesome. Covered sex with such lookers in Thermae? I doubt it would be a problem for me to swing that any night of the week at no more than the going rate. But they would have to pay me double the going rate, each, to convince me to waste an hour of my life trying.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2828767]Haha. I won't be pounding the shit out of them either and I am willing to pay well too. But only if it is for DFK + BBBJ + BBFSCIP, all agreed to upfront and no tricks. That level of service with a notably attractive girl will for the most part eliminate Thermae as a viable mongering destination for me and, well, practically every other punter of any age, level of fitness and ethnicity I have ever met and chatted with about it over the years. I am sure there must be exceptions here and there. And for sure the Yes Upfront vs No In The Room bit is always a distinct possibility when BBFSCIP is in the upfront deal.

The mind reels at the potential hassles, money and hazards involved in getting two notably better than average lookers in Thermae to both agree upfront to my version of Real Sex in a threesome. Covered sex with such lookers in Thermae? I doubt it would be a problem for me to swing that any night of the week at no more than the going rate. But they would have to pay me double the going rate, each, to convince me to waste an hour of my life trying.[/QUOTE]Oh my EihTooms.

You have such an expressive way with words.

I can just picture the Thermae conversation.

Hi guys just wondering what the chances are and places would be for the chance of a daytime pickup in Bangkok.

Looking for any bar suggestion from say 12 pm until 3 or 4 pm where would be the best to have a look around and possibly chance of finding a willing lady.

Just want to know if any real daytime options rather than the usual massage shops.

Thanks in advance.

I don't think I've ever seen mention of Gentleman's Clubs in Bangkok. I'm thinking maybe they have some, but it's not really a farang thing. Maybe Det5 on Soi 8? I've hung out there the very first night I ever visited Thailand, but never knew if they had rooms above or not? I found Hillary 2 afterward and was happy with that, girls weren't too happy to walk the whole way back to the Asian Lodge though. LOL.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2828895]I don't think I've ever seen mention of Gentleman's Clubs in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]There are so-called gentlemen's clubs in Bangkok but they're very different from the ones in Pattaya. They're aimed at rich Thais and other Asians with quality girls and prices to match. The best known is The Pimp (nice name, huh?) up around Rama 9. The Pattaya gentlemen's clubs are purely Western expat / tourist style, and much more to our tastes. And a whole lot cheaper.

Found a mention of a BJ Bar on Sukhumvit Soi Ari (26) called Madame Claude, billing itself as a "premium BJ bar. " It is said to have reopened this year, and it supposedly has the atmosphere of a 1960's brothel. I have no clue what that is, but the photos look interesting. Any information on this place?

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2828852]Oh my EihTooms.

You have such an expressive way with words.

I can just picture the Thermae conversation.[/QUOTE]Ah, well, I have had plenty of experience with the hassles and hazards involved to get a firm Yes response to an upfront request or a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach for BBFSCIP with above average lookers in the Thai P4 P scene going all the way back to when I was still in my 30's and 40's. Also the Yes Upfront vs No In The Room bit. And I must say that, if anything, my success rate for positive results has been a tad better in the past 10 years than it was when I was younger. Right up to this year.

However, as I have posted here in the past, the 1990's was a particularly bad time to be negotiating for or expecting BBFSCIP in Thailand. I don't know if other old timers considered that a Golden Era or The Good Old Days. But I sure don't. And for the past 10 years I have lived here instead of just visiting and that brings both good and bad elements to a quest for BBFSCIP with a variety of above average lookers here.

Current price is 800 thb. All the girls looked much better than what I saw on display at Kasalong and Lolita's.

[QUOTE=Stretch2480;2828881]Hi guys just wondering what the chances are and places would be for the chance of a daytime pickup in Bangkok.

Looking for any bar suggestion from say 12 pm until 3 or 4 pm where would be the best to have a look around and possibly chance of finding a willing lady.

Just want to know if any real daytime options rather than the usual massage shops.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Lots of choices along the start Soi Nana (Sukhumvit 4), Morning Night, Stumble Inn, Big Dog, and bars along the other side.

As well as the Soi Nana early start daylight hours freelancers, and the Soi Sukhumvit freelancers spread out between Soi 3 to Soi 11.

Plus there's usually some of the bars open in the complex next to Beer Garden on Soi 7, and the bars along Soi 7 Alley.

Just don't expect quality that early in the day.

The other option is FiwiFan sideline girls in their hotel setups during the daytime.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2829155]Current price is 800 thb. All the girls looked much better than what I saw on display at Kasalong and Lolita's.[/QUOTE]Yes compared to these two places Wood is better, one can still find an average looking girl there for a quicky from time to time.

Lolita's and Kasalong are places from the past, they won't get up unless there's a drastic change in the management maybe.

All Hi, After any details about this place has any of the members tried it?

What's it all about? Pickup bar for girls to take you to massage shop.

Any real up to date information appreciated.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2829155]Current price is 800 thb. All the girls looked much better than what I saw on display at Kasalong and Lolita's.[/QUOTE]Considering how they look at those places.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of why some nights all the illegal immigrant ladies go missing from Soi 4? Example, tonight all the Vietnamese, Indian and African hookers are gone. Does anyone know where they are and where to find them?

[QUOTE=Stretch2480;2828881]Hi guys just wondering what the chances are and places would be for the chance of a daytime pickup in Bangkok.

Looking for any bar suggestion from say 12 pm until 3 or 4 pm where would be the best to have a look around and possibly chance of finding a willing lady.

Just want to know if any real daytime options rather than the usual massage shops.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There may be some girls hanging around the north side of Sukhumvit like Nana to Soi 11 or Soi 13 area, but often towards the lower end . Plus on Soi 4 there will be some girls hanging out, not many, but there are often a few standing around in early afternoon that should be fine. I'd just go with the MPs though.

[QUOTE=TheRedBaron;2829278]I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of why some nights all the illegal immigrant ladies go missing from Soi 4? Example, tonight all the Vietnamese, Indian and African hookers are gone. Does anyone know where they are and where to find them?[/QUOTE]I know there are African FLers but I never knew or saw any Indian FLers. Where about do you find the Indian FLers?

Nana Plaza is just such a Disappoint compared to Pattaya. There I said it.

Still I saw a lot of Barfining going on at Rainbow 4 and 5 last night.

So it's the first time back in over a decade. Was supposed to go back in 2020, but oh well. So here's a question, all my previous experiences in Thailand are pretty worthless for specifics, but I know what to expect in general. I'm going to be back for work for almost a week, staying in Sukhumvit area and plan on doing a little of EVERYTHING when I'm not working: soapie & nuru (regular, Japanese and high end), gogobar (soi cowboy and Nana), regular bar, FL bar (Thermae) and maybe even a place like Pimp; my question is specific, what time of day is best to go to each of these places for best selection (and is it different for different places?

Happy ending massage (like outside of soi Cowboy).

'Japanese' massage places (like on Soi 33).

High end massage (like Black Caviar or Maria).

Gogo bar (like Baccara, Suzie Wong or Billboard).

FL bar (like Thermae).

I've been around awhile, so I know there are no guarantees to quality, etc but just wanted to see if I could time things better to maximize potential good outcome.

Thanks for any help!! And as usual, I'll report back. Doc.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2829659]So it's the first time back in over a decade. Was supposed to go back in 2020, but oh well. So here's a question, all my previous experiences in Thailand are pretty worthless for specifics, but I know what to expect in general. I'm going to be back for work for almost a week, staying in Sukhumvit area and plan on doing a little of EVERYTHING when I'm not working: soapie & nuru (regular, Japanese and high end), gogobar (soi cowboy and Nana), regular bar, FL bar (Thermae) and maybe even a place like Pimp; my question is specific, what time of day is best to go to each of these places for best selection (and is it different for different places?

Happy ending massage (like outside of soi Cowboy).

'Japanese' massage places (like on Soi 33).

High end massage (like Black Caviar or Maria).

Gogo bar (like Baccara, Suzie Wong or Billboard).

FL bar (like Thermae).

I've been around awhile, so I know there are no guarantees to quality, etc but just wanted to see if I could time things better to maximize potential good outcome.

Thanks for any help!! And as usual, I'll report back. Doc.[/QUOTE]Thermae is 20:00 to about 23:00.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2829682]Thermae is 20:00 to about 23:00.[/QUOTE]Is it offseason now and they changed the hours? I forgot what the hours but stayd open past what was listed on the door. Pretty sure it stayed open til 1 am. I was there in Dec / Jan is that peak season so longer hours?

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2829826]Is it offseason now and they changed the hours? I forgot what the hours but stayd open past what was listed on the door. Pretty sure it stayed open til 1 am. I was there in Dec / Jan is that peak season so longer hours?[/QUOTE]OP was asking for the best time to go to Thermae and Nyezhov responded with the correct answer, 8-11 pm.

OP, I'd add in a Nana FL. There is a HUGE different between a Thermae FL and a Nana FL. Thermae FL is really just a bar girl without the expectation to buy drinks.

It Square Laksi Immigration.

How strict are they on seeing a Legitimate TM 30 to get a 30 day extension?

1. Very strict. Must have or Cannot Give Dirty Tourist.

2. Depends. Meaning depends on Officers mood.

3. Don't care. A hotel reservation with receipt is Sufficient.

These smaller Hotels just don't give a Hoot about foolowing TM30 requirements of reporting of check ins to Thai Immigration within 24 hours.

I know of hotel in Pattaya that does the TM 30 but I want to get my extension done now while in Bangkok,. Procrastinating is not an option-. Ok it is but now is Better.

Happy ending massage. Went to a couple of them around Nana station. It is the same process in most places.

Paid 2200 in one for 90 minutes, 2500 in another one for a ladyboy experience. Went to a nondescript one at the end of Soi 11 - does not even come up on Google maps. Becuase I fancied the girl sitting outside. A 300 baht foot massage became a 1500 baht B2 B, but rooms are separated by curtains / false walls only.

FL bar (like Thermae) - went there on 2 nights, but just to watch than pick up someone. Yes, around 9-10 pm is ideal when girls are still coming in.

Nana Plaza. Went to Spankys on 2nd floor (one above ground) - have had memorable nights there before and I like the vibe of that place. After a couple of hours playing with the girls after buying them drinks, took one out with a 1000 bar fine, and 3000 to the girl for 2 shots. 300 to the hotel up the street from Nana plaza. Butterflies definitely had more "dolls" - white skin, perfect figures. If that's your liking.

BKK never disappoints!!

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2829659]So it's the first time back in over a decade. Was supposed to go back in 2020, but oh well. So here's a question, all my previous experiences in Thailand are pretty worthless for specifics, but I know what to expect in general. I'm going to be back for work for almost a week, staying in Sukhumvit area and plan on doing a little of EVERYTHING when I'm not working: soapie & nuru (regular, Japanese and high end), gogobar (soi cowboy and Nana), regular bar, FL bar (Thermae) and maybe even a place like Pimp; my question is specific, what time of day is best to go to each of these places for best selection (and is it different for different places?

Happy ending massage (like outside of soi Cowboy).

'Japanese' massage places (like on Soi 33).

High end massage (like Black Caviar or Maria).

Gogo bar (like Baccara, Suzie Wong or Billboard).

FL bar (like Thermae).

I've been around awhile, so I know there are no guarantees to quality, etc but just wanted to see if I could time things better to maximize potential good outcome.

Thanks for any help!! And as usual, I'll report back. Doc.[/QUOTE]

I spent the morning at Bumrungrad doing a bunch of medical stuff, seeing doctors, and all that. I've also been on a kick where I'm trying to walk more, exercise more.

So after completing all my stuff, I decided to walk home, down Sukhumwit to the Soi I live on. So I'm walking down Soi 3, I walk across the street, I walk down to Sukhumwit past the Arab neighborhood stuff not quite to McDonald's, and there were a couple women there by those ATM machines, and one of them waved her hand. And I. Stopped to talk with her.

She is not a spinner. She is not a looker, though I thought she was kind of pretty actually. Petite and dark. And she says 300 baht for the room, 1000 baht for BJ, boom boom, whatever.

And I thought, the hell with it. Live a little. This is. Just dirty, you know? Dirty fun. So let's go.

Up we go back up Sukhumwit to Soi 3, to a small hotel with a women sitting in the entrance with a sign saying she gives massages, up the stairs, 300 THB, down the hall into a room with a double bed. Shower. Do the deed. I ate her and she came which was all kinds of fun. She had a little pooch, not a spinner, as I say, but I just. Didn't care. I loved it. She put on a condom and climbed aboard, and she made a face while I was going in (I am not amply endowed, that was. Uexpected). She rode me until I came, then she did.

1000 THB. I gave her a huge tip just because it was so. Awesome. She gave me a big kiss. Then she started telling me about her father in the hospital up in the north, I said, yes, that's sad, good luck going to see him. She walked me back out and told me when she works again (always from noon until five or six only, three days). She gave me a kiss goodbye and I walked on home.

Some days, you just have to live a little.

A couple of other not so memorable things from the recent trip.

Levels. Pub attached to Aloft Soi 11, but independent. Checked at 8. 30 pm when it opened and was told a cover of 400 Baht with 1 drink. Came back at 10.30 pm and was told have to buy a bottle - 3000 Baht. The bouncers / security at the entrance are really pri*ck $. Skipped that day.

Next day came back with a girl, but was again told a bottle is needed. Got it and we sat on a sofa. The girl was a masseuse I had gone to couple of times and she was there only for the free drinks. Mingled around and the quality of girls was disappointing. Too many bad boob, ass, lip job girls. A couple of ok-ish ones asked 5-8 K for ST. Wasted time, and gave the JD bottle to the girl that had come with me. Headed to Nana plaza for a good outing.

Koreana. Adjacent to Levels. Very thin crowd, not interesting. Went in expecting Korean girls, but found mostly local.

Afros in Soi 6-13 - Since these parts are favoured by Middle Eastern tourists (my guess) saw a lot of Afros big booty hanging around after dark. Very few get into the bars and restaurants. Asked 3-5 K which makes them costlier than Dubai Afros. Skipped it.

Fiwfans / Sideline - just wanted to try, picked a girl in Sukh 55 area, photoshopped pics and ok experience. Not complaining since the money was cheap (1300), but not for me.

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2829870]A couple of other not so memorable things from the recent trip.

Levels. Pub attached to Aloft Soi 11, but independent. Checked at 8. 30 pm when it opened and was told a cover of 400 Baht with 1 drink. Came back at 10.30 pm and was told have to buy a bottle - 3000 Baht. The bouncers / security at the entrance are really pri*ck $. Skipped that day.

Next day came back with a girl, but was again told a bottle is needed. Got it and we sat on a sofa. The girl was a masseuse I had gone to couple of times and she was there only for the free drinks. Mingled around and the quality of girls was disappointing. Too many bad boob, ass, lip job girls. A couple of ok-ish ones asked 5-8 K for ST. Wasted time, and gave the JD bottle to the girl that had come with me. Headed to Nana plaza for a good outing.

Koreana. Adjacent to Levels. Very thin crowd, not interesting. Went in expecting Korean girls, but found mostly local.

Afros in Soi 6-13 - Since these parts are favoured by Middle Eastern tourists (my guess) saw a lot of Afros big booty hanging around after dark. Very few get into the bars and restaurants. Asked 3-5 K which makes them costlier than Dubai Afros. Skipped it.

Fiwfans / Sideline - just wanted to try, picked a girl in Sukh 55 area, photoshopped pics and ok experience. Not complaining since the money was cheap (1300), but not for me.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your report.

Have you tried Sugar club, I haven't been to Bangkok in a while but I preferred it to Levels?

Thanks! Any other thoughts on best times for most choices at any of the other places I'm going to try: soapies or nuru massage places either mid-range and high-end? What about best times for gogo bar? Since it's been so long, I want to find the best looking talent. Next time, I'll be a little more price conscious.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2829828]OP was asking for the best time to go to Thermae and Nyezhov responded with the correct answer, 8-11 pm.

OP, I'd add in a Nana FL. There is a HUGE different between a Thermae FL and a Nana FL. Thermae FL is really just a bar girl without the expectation to buy drinks.[/QUOTE]

Spent few days in BKK and tried some of the parlors suggested in this forum or for which I found good reports in internet:

- 7 heaven (kind of BJ Bar), good experience. Tried the 2 girls BJ and have to say those ladies knows what they have to do. Girls are young and I would say pretty, but that is of course subjective. If someone asks me about the experience, I would say it should be tested;.

- Kokoro, (Nuru), nice experience. Again tried the 2 girls massage. Ladies were skilled but less engaged in the work they have to do, I would say a bit mechanic. One was young and very pretty, the other more aged and I would say an average. If you ask me, you can skip this one unless you are interested in nuru (but you might find better ones);.

- Aya, MP, very very good! Loved the place, the girl and the experience. Girl was very pretty (again YMMV), funny and I would say a pro. The fake pleasure usually done sounded so true that, if I was a "first timer", I woudl have truly believed she was having pleasure. Recommended (and they offer nuru too, but I did not tried. Yet).

I have also been around Sukhumvit, soi 4 and Thermae. Thermae was packed with good and less good looking girls but nothing "wow". Damage I have been asked started from 2500 to 3000 for ST. In soy 4 and Sukhumvit same level of girls ask 1500 or 2000. Not sure if it worths to visit unless you want to walk less and see more girls in a shorter time.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2829682]Thermae is 20:00 to about 23:00.[/QUOTE]If I recall, the girls are just lining up to register and pay a fee at 20:00 (I'm not sure exactly what they were doing), so 20:00 seems too early to me. I'm a big old farang and the girls seem more interested in me very late at night. Per memory, signage says close at 01:00 but they are actually open until 02:00. I've had good introductions after the posted closing time. This is all per memory and I haven't been there since late March, take it for what it is worth.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2829935]If I recall, the girls are just lining up to register and pay a fee at 20:00 (I'm not sure exactly what they were doing), so 20:00 seems too early to me. I'm a big old farang and the girls seem more interested in me very late at night. Per memory, signage says close at 01:00 but they are actually open until 02:00. I've had good introductions after the posted closing time. This is all per memory and I haven't been there since late March, take it for what it is worth.[/QUOTE]I believe they line up just to check ID, ladyboys aren't allowed to work in there.

If I rent a condo in the business district are they all girl friendly since it's my condo? Would any question me bringing back bar girls to there if I live there?

Are motorbike taxis roughly the same price in Bangkok as phuket? Say a 10 minute ride with a bar girl from soi cowboy, the cost is 2 or 3 hundred baht?

Thanks for any answers.

Rainbow 4 last night.

Older Scruffy Asian had 3 girls over plus barmaids buying drinks left and right. Thought nothing of it. Seen it before. Doesn't upset me like it does some here. No offense.

He Barfines a non popular girl. Observing as I do the Barfine was holding him up while he Vomited all over a Premium Seat.

Staff didn't get a bucket. He was hurling for a few minutes.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2830024]If I rent a condo in the business district are they all girl friendly since it's my condo? Would any question me bringing back bar girls to there if I live there?

Are motorbike taxis roughly the same price in Bangkok as phuket? Say a 10 minute ride with a bar girl from soi cowboy, the cost is 2 or 3 hundred baht?

Thanks for any answers.[/QUOTE]1. Think if you bought a Condo and your next door unit was bringing prostitute s home. Hahaha.

2. Yesterday from 11th regimen station to It Laksi Immigration, a 15 minute ride in a proper Taxi was 61 baht. I gave the guy 140 baht.

Sorry for raising the prices GUYS.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2830024]If I rent a condo in the business district are they all girl friendly since it's my condo? Would any question me bringing back bar girls to there if I live there?

Are motorbike taxis roughly the same price in Bangkok as phuket? Say a 10 minute ride with a bar girl from soi cowboy, the cost is 2 or 3 hundred baht?

Thanks for any answers.[/QUOTE]Real taxi rides are amazingly cheap. If more than a motorbike taxis chalk the extra cost up to life insurance. Besides what action can you get on the back of a motorbike compared the be back seat of a cab?

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2829944]I believe they line up just to check ID, ladyboys aren't allowed to work in there.[/QUOTE]They pay their fee.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2830024]If I rent a condo in the business district are they all girl friendly since it's my condo? Would any question me bringing back bar girls to there if I live there? Are motorbike taxis roughly the same price in Bangkok as phuket? Say a 10 minute ride with a bar girl from soi cowboy, the cost is 2 or 3 hundred baht?[/QUOTE]You can bring a girl back. Thats fine. Don't even think about it, its not a question. Taking a cab is normal and fine (but you might need to give her some far afterwards to get back, maybe). Taxi's in Bangkok are decent to very good price if you use the meter, but that said, a lot of taxi drivers will see a farang around the bar areas and don't want to use the meter cause they'd try to rip you off than take a legit meter fare for low price.

Hi Gents,

I'm coming to BKK on a 10 day trip with the middle 6 days for mongering & sexual adventures. Been RTTF and also the DMs with mongers who have been there. My plan will be.

- Stay at a girl friendly hotel with no joiners fee, somewhere around 60-70 $ per night around Sukhumvit soi 11.

- Have a budget of 4000 THB per day / night. Planning to spend it.

- On fiwfans or sideline for a cheap fuck along with 1 shot at BJ Bars.

OR.

- Get a nuru / soapy from a high end place like Aya or Kokkoro or Wonder or some other good place.

OR.

Get a FL, preferably an Arab or a CIS one in the night. If any pointers, please share.

I can't do more than 2/3 shots per day. Also I prefer to have less sexual adventures but quality & memorable ones. Hence the plan to try variety too. If any suggestions, do reply.

[QUOTE=NipSucker;2830325]Hi Gents,

I'm coming to BKK on a 10 day trip with the middle 6 days for mongering & sexual adventures. Been RTTF and also the DMs with mongers who have been there. My plan will be.

- Stay at a girl friendly hotel with no joiners fee, somewhere around 60-70 $ per night around Sukhumvit soi 11.

- Have a budget of 4000 THB per day / night. Planning to spend it.

- On fiwfans or sideline for a cheap fuck along with 1 shot at BJ Bars.

OR.

- Get a nuru / soapy from a high end place like Aya or Kokkoro or Wonder or some other good place.

OR.

Get a FL, preferably an Arab or a CIS one in the night. If any pointers, please share.

I can't do more than 2/3 shots per day. Also I prefer to have less sexual adventures but quality & memorable ones. Hence the plan to try variety too. If any suggestions, do reply.[/QUOTE]Define quality.

4,000 baht gets you a run of the mill girl. Really I'm not joking. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2830328]Define quality.

4,000 baht gets you a run of the mill girl. Really I'm not joking. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Fair question.

Well I haven't seen the FLs of course.

But the girls at fiwfans 1. 5 k range or Kokkoro website I have looked at and they seem good looking to me and the bare minimum quality.

In case I don't monger or get tired of mongering, will try more expensive options.

Any suggestions for.

1. Arab or CIS pickup spots?

2. Non P4 P action like regular pickup joints?

I walked by it a few times but did not go in.

Candy (opp Aloft, entrance on backside), Sugar and Escapade (opp to Candy) are in my list for next trip (hopefully soon).

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2829883]Thank you for your report.

Have you tried Sugar club, I haven't been to Bangkok in a while but I preferred it to Levels?[/QUOTE]

How much would it cost to take an closed business and turn it into a ho house. Then I can screen girls that I like to the tee. I can put 18 to 25, no implants, see cups or bigger.

[QUOTE=NipSucker;2830369]Fair question.

Well I haven't seen the FLs of course.

But the girls at fiwfans 1. 5 k range or Kokkoro website I have looked at and they seem good looking to me and the bare minimum quality.

In case I don't monger or get tired of mongering, will try more expensive options.

Any suggestions for.

1. Arab or CIS pickup spots?

2. Non P4 P action like regular pickup joints?[/QUOTE]Doubt many folks here go to "Arab" Pickup spots.

I'll disagree and agree with Chalupa, I can get quality for 4 k, at least in my eyes, but rookies won't. Adjust your budget.

[QUOTE=NipSucker;2830369]Fair question.

Well I haven't seen the FLs of course.

But the girls at fiwfans 1. 5 k range or Kokkoro website I have looked at and they seem good looking to me and the bare minimum quality.

In case I don't monger or get tired of mongering, will try more expensive options.

Any suggestions for.

1. Arab or CIS pickup spots?

2. Non P4 P action like regular pickup joints?[/QUOTE]Fiwfans. I've had some average and some good experiences with. Ignore the pics, no matter how tempting they look. Even if real the pics go theough the instagram filters. Look harder at the measurements given, they are much more accurate and useful. I've just messaged the given Line in English as I figure a reply means foreigner will be accepted ok.

Which place is better (and more cost effective / bang for the buck) for getting action? Bangkok or pattaya? Can someone help explain.

A Light went on in her head.

ThatNana BTS schoolgirl was last night standing near the entrance to Nana Plaza. Many more eyeballs could check her out meThinks.

She just is not appealing.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2829438]I know there are African FLers but I never knew or saw any Indian FLers. Where about do you find the Indian FLers?[/QUOTE]There are sometimes 2 or 3 Indian Freelancers hanging around Soi 4 between the Maison hotel sign and Novotel. If you want the novelty of fucking an Indian here's your chance. However they won't do any positions except lying on their back and they don't shower.

[QUOTE=NipSucker;2830369]Fair question.

Well I haven't seen the FLs of course.

But the girls at fiwfans 1. 5 k range or Kokkoro website I have looked at and they seem good looking to me and the bare minimum quality.

In case I don't monger or get tired of mongering, will try more expensive options.

Any suggestions for.

1. Arab or CIS pickup spots?

2. Non P4 P action like regular pickup joints?[/QUOTE]Last December it was around 3500 for somewhat attractive on TF. Your best bet would be massage places or bars like Hillary 2.

So, will pattaya be a better option, then?

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2830328]Define quality.

4,000 baht gets you a run of the mill girl. Really I'm not joking. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]

Is Rin the old lady from Hana massage in soi 22 still working?

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2830393]How much would it cost to take an closed business and turn it into a ho house. Then I can screen girls that I like to the tee. I can put 18 to 25, no implants, see cups or bigger.[/QUOTE]You need a Thai partner first, go over to the local police station and get one.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2830555]A Light went on in her head.

ThatNana BTS schoolgirl was last night standing near the entrance to Nana Plaza. Many more eyeballs could check her out meThinks.

She just is not appealing.[/QUOTE]She never has been. Three quarters of what stands around isn't appealing.

I'll be back July 7, Chan, go find me some Russians, he he.

[QUOTE=MDave1981;2830538]Which place is better (and more cost effective / bang for the buck) for getting action? Bangkok or pattaya? Can someone help explain.[/QUOTE]I don't go to Pattaya, and haven't for many years But I don't worry about "the buck" and there is far far far more to do in BKK than in Pattaya. More to life in Thailand than watching ping pong ball shows I think.

Not sure if there's a subforum for MR girls, but no one should see Kareena rai or Abby (both half Filipina).

They are roommates who are basically running a giant bait and switch scam. Thought it'the be fun to switch it up from the usual thai girls but nope LOL.

If you call them out on it, theyll bring up some sob story about paying for an operation.

Stay away. Their reviews on MR are definitely fake.

[QUOTE=NipSucker;2830325]Hi Gents,

I'm coming to BKK on a 10 day trip with the middle 6 days for mongering & sexual adventures. Been RTTF and also the DMs with mongers who have been there. My plan will be.

- Stay at a girl friendly hotel with no joiners fee, somewhere around 60-70 $ per night around Sukhumvit soi 11.

- Have a budget of 4000 THB per day / night. Planning to spend it.

- On fiwfans or sideline for a cheap fuck along with 1 shot at BJ Bars.

OR.

- Get a nuru / soapy from a high end place like Aya or Kokkoro or Wonder or some other good place.

OR.

Get a FL, preferably an Arab or a CIS one in the night. If any pointers, please share.

I can't do more than 2/3 shots per day. Also I prefer to have less sexual adventures but quality & memorable ones. Hence the plan to try variety too. If any suggestions, do reply.[/QUOTE]Nuru or Thai massage in the afternoon, then maybe BJ bar after dinner and agogo in the night. Also Thermae for a drink etc. If you want some party action, khaosan is also an option.

Are there any Gogo bars with short time rooms inside the building, not outside in a different location?

[QUOTE=TheRedBaron;2830567]There are sometimes 2 or 3 Indian Freelancers hanging around Soi 4 between the Maison hotel sign and Novotel. If you want the novelty of fucking an Indian here's your chance. However they won't do any positions except lying on their back and they don't shower.[/QUOTE]LOL.

Do they reuse condom too.

What is best place to get soapy massage in Bangkok Thanks.

[QUOTE=FrilledLugworm;2830836]Are there any Gogo bars with short time rooms inside the building, not outside in a different location?[/QUOTE]Not that I'm aware of. Or would ever go to.

[QUOTE=FrilledLugworm;2830836]Are there any Gogo bars with short time rooms inside the building, not outside in a different location?[/QUOTE]Directly, at the gogos, not that I know of, but there's close stuff.

Nana Plaza has short time rooms on site on like the second or third floor. Its like 300-ish baht-. Not sure exactly. But that's as close as I remember. At some point I think one or two places on Cowboy may have had small rooms as well but those weren't the gogos, they were little bars, but I may be mistaken.

That said, if you're at Nana, you can use those ST rooms fine. They are in the complex and only steps away from the gogos.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2831174]Directly, at the gogos, not that I know of, but there's close stuff.

Nana Plaza has short time rooms on site on like the second or third floor. Its like 300-ish baht-. Not sure exactly. But that's as close as I remember. At some point I think one or two places on Cowboy may have had small rooms as well but those weren't the gogos, they were little bars, but I may be mistaken.

That said, if you're at Nana, you can use those ST rooms fine. They are in the complex and only steps away from the gogos.[/QUOTE]I don't know the exact road number as it was my first time in Bangkok but yes there are small bars that have back rooms or upstairs rooms with shower room also, which is a must. I insist that the girl takes a shower after I do.

Anyone ever accidentally CIP of a freelancer who was not on BC? Did she get pregnant? Did she keep it?

Long story short: we connected on a deep level upon meeting that when we finally made it to bed, we never stopped for a condom and I let my primal human instinct take control.

It's been almost 3 weeks and I'm nervous she's pregnant. I'm not worried about STDs because I convinced her to let us both go to a clinic the next morning and get full panel tests. Both came back negative. When I asked her about pregnancy moments after I CIP she told me she's not on BC but not to worry as if she's so sure she won't get pregnant. She's 30 but looks barely 20 so surely fertile. I'm in my early 30's and very fertile.

We've been texting daily and she hasn't hinted at anything.

These days it's my favorite due to quantity and location but don't be afraid to ask the mama or papa if you don't see anything you like. I find most of them are very helpful. Stick to Ratchada, lots of places not far from mrt stops. The soapy business is a shadow of it's former self, overtaken by freelancers on online apps but the extra money is worth it to me. You'll never have to worry about fake pics, security, etc.

[QUOTE=TimeToTravel88;2830971]What is best place to get soapy massage in Bangkok Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Facebook2;2831212]Anyone ever accidentally CIP of a freelancer who was not on BC? Did she get pregnant? Did she keep it?

Long story short: we connected on a deep level upon meeting that when we finally made it to bed, we never stopped for a condom and I let my primal human instinct take control.

It's been almost 3 weeks and I'm nervous she's pregnant. I'm not worried about STDs because I convinced her to let us both go to a clinic the next morning and get full panel tests. Both came back negative. When I asked her about pregnancy moments after I CIP she told me she's not on BC but not to worry as if she's so sure she won't get pregnant. She's 30 but looks barely 20 so surely fertile. I'm in my early 30's and very fertile.

We've been texting daily and she hasn't hinted at anything.[/QUOTE]Thai girls are very adept at getting the morning after pill.

[QUOTE=Facebook2;2831212]Anyone ever accidentally CIP of a freelancer who was not on BC?.[/QUOTE]Has anyone ever cared. We are talking freelancers?

[QUOTE=Facebook2;2831212]Anyone ever accidentally CIP of a freelancer who was not on BC? Did she get pregnant? Did she keep it?

Long story short: we connected on a deep level upon meeting that when we finally made it to bed, we never stopped for a condom and I let my primal human instinct take control.

It's been almost 3 weeks and I'm nervous she's pregnant. I'm not worried about STDs because I convinced her to let us both go to a clinic the next morning and get full panel tests. Both came back negative. When I asked her about pregnancy moments after I CIP she told me she's not on BC but not to worry as if she's so sure she won't get pregnant. She's 30 but looks barely 20 so surely fertile. I'm in my early 30's and very fertile.

We've been texting daily and she hasn't hinted at anything.[/QUOTE]I understand you are young in your early 30's but if you two have connected on a deep level then why not just ask her if she has had her menstration?

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2831174]Directly, at the gogos, not that I know of, but there's close stuff.

Nana Plaza has short time rooms on site on like the second or third floor. Its like 300-ish baht-. Not sure exactly. But that's as close as I remember. At some point I think one or two places on Cowboy may have had small rooms as well but those weren't the gogos, they were little bars, but I may be mistaken.

That said, if you're at Nana, you can use those ST rooms fine. They are in the complex and only steps away from the gogos.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry to say those Nana Plaza Short-Time rooms have been closed for years. Since the initial Covid closures probably.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2831179]I don't know the exact road number as it was my first time in Bangkok but yes there are small bars that have back rooms or upstairs rooms with shower room also, which is a must. I insist that the girl takes a shower after I do.[/QUOTE]Your probablly confusing Bangkok with Pattaya unless you are talking the good old days in Patpong. Or are you talking about the Thai oriented places? But you arent that old and it was your first trip.

So again, gentle readers, there are no such places in Bangkok, or there haven't been since probably 2000, unless you hit the Thai "only" place.

Here's a small rant. I'm loking at some of the recent posts and it seems that nobody is reading this forum. So let me summarize:

All hotels in and around the sextourist places are girlfriendly.

Absent more recent info, the clubs suck.

THe more you spend, the better the service.

Its easy to spot a ladyboy.

Fat butt African hookers are all around.

The Fiwi girl might not look like her pics.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2831376]I'm sorry to say those Nana Plaza Short-Time rooms have been closed for years. Since the initial Covid closures probably.[/QUOTE]The only time I ever had a girl problem in THailand was in that ST Hotel with a Viet freelancer who tried to escape with my cash in her panties. The Americans won that war. Great memories.

Anyone tried this luxury soapy massage in Tara Entertainment Complex? Prices start at around 4 K Baht. Saw a YouTube video and now I'm curious.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HutTLD5eVsI[/URL]

[URL]https://tara-bangkok.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2831384]Your probablly confusing Bangkok with Pattaya unless you are talking the good old days in Patpong. Or are you talking about the Thai oriented places? But you arent that old and it was your first trip.

So again, gentle readers, there are no such places in Bangkok, or there haven't been since probably 2000, unless you hit the Thai "only" place.

Here's a small rant. I'm loking at some of the recent posts and it seems that nobody is reading this forum. So let me summarize:

All hotels in and around the sextourist places are girlfriendly.

Absent more recent info, the clubs suck.

THe more you spend, the better the service.

Its easy to spot a ladyboy.

Fat butt African hookers are all around.

The Fiwi girl might not look like her pics.[/QUOTE]It was in Bangkok. Only place I stayed in Thai. Didn't need to visit anywhere else as I got freebies there.

Here I am playing expert for all the non readers and I fogot the MOST IMPORTANT point, especially pertinent for you new guys:

She doesn't love you.

Let me repeat:

She doesn't love you. No matter what she says.

Are Lolitas and Kasalong back to normal pre-covid time business? I mean when I visited Bangkok last Nov-Dec girls were not wearing uniform, no work discipline, just very few girls ugly as my life.

[QUOTE=Facebook2;2831212]Anyone ever accidentally CIP of a freelancer who was not on BC? [/QUOTE]How about on purpose?

Deepak in Prison. Hahaha.

So two Livestreamer take one Moto. Price was 40 baht each. Tab is 80 baht.

Deepak say 40 baht since only one Moto. Driver let him get away with it.

Yes he is from that country.

Later that evening Ice Poseidon and his crew end up in Jail. Funny as you will ever See.

Hint. Don't stream Sexy stuff you do in Thailand to the 4 corners of the world.

We all know the Face thing. It's Real.

P.S. They stream from a 5 star hotel.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2831466]Here I am playing expert for all the non readers and I fogot the MOST IMPORTANT point, especially pertinent for you new guys:

She doesn't love you.

Let me repeat:

She doesn't love you. No matter what she says.[/QUOTE]Its a Win if your Sweetie doesn't find you Disgusting.

[QUOTE=Vitold;2831479]Are Lolitas and Kasalong back to normal pre-covid time business? I mean when I visited Bangkok last Nov-Dec girls were not wearing uniform, no work discipline, just very few girls ugly as my life.[/QUOTE]As of late March, fuglies. One at Kasalong had a decent enough looking back of head to make me give a fleeting thought, until she tried talking to me with her mouth filled with SomTam Puu.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2831523]Its a Win if your Sweetie doesn't find you Disgusting.[/QUOTE]Read that and weep if you are a member of the lonely hearts club.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2831623]As of late March, fuglies. [/QUOTE]No uniform still? For what the hell they ruined business?

[QUOTE=Vitold;2831667]No uniform still? For what the hell they ruined business?[/QUOTE]Lolitas is back to the red checker cheerleader skirt and white blouse uniform. Kasalong no longer has the Sailor Moon style uniform but most of their girls wear the same kind of denim skirt and black t-shirt top, more or less a uniform I suppose.

[QUOTE=Vitold;2831667]No uniform still? For what the hell they ruined business?[/QUOTE]Lolitas had schoolgirl uniforms. Fat assed chick in one of those looks like a mushroom.

These days there are lots of chunkers offering up their rolls and folds to the tourists. Either that's what the folks want, or all the slim ones dried up as real jobs increased and trafficking got shut down. Its almost gotten to the point that its not even worth doing a walk.

[URL]http://www.55thonglor-massage.com/lady/green.html[/URL]

Exactly as pictured. Really pretty, tiny thing.

Skills, though, were not as good as the looks. BJ was not on the menu.

2000 THB.

[QUOTE=Facebook2;2831212]Anyone ever accidentally CIP of a freelancer who was not on BC? Did she get pregnant? Did she keep it?

Long story short: we connected on a deep level upon meeting that when we finally made it to bed, we never stopped for a condom and I let my primal human instinct take control.

It's been almost 3 weeks and I'm nervous she's pregnant. I'm not worried about STDs because I convinced her to let us both go to a clinic the next morning and get full panel tests. Both came back negative. When I asked her about pregnancy moments after I CIP she told me she's not on BC but not to worry as if she's so sure she won't get pregnant. She's 30 but looks barely 20 so surely fertile. I'm in my early 30's and very fertile.

We've been texting daily and she hasn't hinted at anything.[/QUOTE]Hello, she is banging her Thai boyfriend every night, no worries about getting pregnant.

You are not keeping up on current events.

Is it possible to get to meet the girls through a backdoor at one of the gogos? I have a job that would lead to me possibly getting fired if I was caught by a coworker or client going into a gogo. I know some brothels in europe that will do a backdoor thing for customers, so I was wondering if any gogos would do it for a nice tip. I used to go to Crazy House at Cowboy for a spinner or two, back when I didn't have to worry about things. I went there right after covid and most of the girls were fatter and older. I was thinking maybe a tip and a backdoor entry before things got hopping might get me access to the better girls before they are taken while also affording me the privacy my new job in Bangkok requires.

Any leads on this?

If things go well, I should be able to give a report a week.

My last trip there I also went to seven BJ place and really enjoyed the experience, minus the lack of actual FS. The BJ was excellent the girl was really pretty, young and looked japanese. I will definitely go there again as it's off the main drag, but the gogos seem too risky. I'm hoping to find a regular girl there that will allow FS. The guy in the area next to me got to bang his girl, though I don't think it's normal there.

[QUOTE=Facebook2;2831212]Anyone ever accidentally CIP of a freelancer who was not on BC? Did she get pregnant? Did she keep it?
.[/QUOTE]Since when the look makes a girl more fertile?

Put on a ball cap, face mask and glasses and you're pretty incognito. How would you even meet up the bar manager to ask about a back door to come in? All that said I did come in the back door of a bar girl once, if you get my jist.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2832840]Is it possible to get to meet the girls through a backdoor at one of the gogos? I have a job that would lead to me possibly getting fired if I was caught by a coworker or client going into a gogo. I know some brothels in europe that will do a backdoor thing for customers, so I was wondering if any gogos would do it for a nice tip. I used to go to Crazy House at Cowboy for a spinner or two, back when I didn't have to worry about things. I went there right after covid and most of the girls were fatter and older. I was thinking maybe a tip and a backdoor entry before things got hopping might get me access to the better girls before they are taken while also affording me the privacy my new job in Bangkok requires.

Any leads on this?

If things go well, I should be able to give a report a week.

My last trip there I also went to seven BJ place and really enjoyed the experience, minus the lack of actual FS. The BJ was excellent the girl was really pretty, young and looked japanese. I will definitely go there again as it's off the main drag, but the gogos seem too risky. I'm hoping to find a regular girl there that will allow FS. The guy in the area next to me got to bang his girl, though I don't think it's normal there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2832840My last trip there I also went to seven BJ place and really enjoyed the experience, minus the lack of actual FS. The BJ was excellent the girl was really pretty, young and looked japanese. I will definitely go there again.[/QUOTE]When it was? Can you name all these BJ bars and rank them please.

So I'm pretty familiar with the gogo and massage scene in Bangkok but might want to try a freelancer type club. I've seen mention of the Levels here. But there are two clubs that are super well reviewed on google but I don't recall mention of here. One is called Juicy and one is called Lucy.

Anyone have any insights why these aren't discussed? No freelancers just legit nightclubs? What's up? And any opinions on Levels or alternatives?

P.S. Thinking Billboard Butterflies Rainbow and Angelwitch for gogos. Any to add to the list?

Wouldn't mind some pool and beer and a blowjob during the day. Sounds like 7-heaven is recommended but it's pretty far from Nana central. Any other recommendations for daytime casual fun (including BJ). There will be two of us so a buddies kind of activity is great.

P.S. Massive detailed writeup to follow my visit (u can see my extensive posts in other groups). Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2833087]So I'm pretty familiar with the gogo and massage scene in Bangkok but might want to try a freelancer type club. I've seen mention of the Levels here. But there are two clubs that are super well reviewed on google but I don't recall mention of here. One is called Juicy and one is called Lucy.

Anyone have any insights why these aren't discussed? No freelancers just legit nightclubs? What's up? And any opinions on Levels or alternatives?

P.S. Thinking Billboard Butterflies Rainbow and Angelwitch for gogos. Any to add to the list?

Wouldn't mind some pool and beer and a blowjob during the day. Sounds like 7-heaven is recommended but it's pretty far from Nana central. Any other recommendations for daytime casual fun (including BJ). There will be two of us so a buddies kind of activity is great.

P.S. Massive detailed writeup to follow my visit (u can see my extensive posts in other groups). Thanks.[/QUOTE]Anyone else a fan of Angel witch. I just don't see it.

So I'm a former resident of Asia (Singapore and Hong Kong) for nearly 20 years with extensive experience throughout. I'll be in Bangkok for a week very soon for the first time in 10 years or so. I'm debating on whether to focus on looking for non- or part-time pros the MBK / Siam Square area which I used to know very well, versus Ratchada 17 area or thereabouts. I'm looking for university girls, mall captures, perhaps 'sideline' girls, clubs, that sort of thing. Little interest in bars or gogos. Probably will not venture to areas like Nana or Patpong at all.

Any opinions from some of you fellow senior members regarding the above?

Also looking for budget hotel or airBnB recommendations. The closer I can get to Siam Square (ideally) or a MRT or Skytrain station the better. I also have mobility issues (prosthetic leg below the knee) so I don't really want to walk very far.

I had Muangphol Mansion on my shortlist due to location near MBK / Siam Square / Paragon but I'm not sure they're guest friendly or not and apparently the internet there is non-existent.

As far as Ratchada, looking into Atrium Ratchada 13 or Watana Mansion, which I know are both guest friendly. Never set foot in that area in my life though so the decision is to go where I know, or try the new area which has tons of potential.

Any / all suggestions are appreciated. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2832609][URL]http://www.55thonglor-massage.com/lady/green.html[/URL]

Exactly as pictured. Really pretty, tiny thing.

Skills, though, were not as good as the looks. BJ was not on the menu.

2000 THB.[/QUOTE]So, is she tiny or is she slim?

163 cm that they are quoting isn't tiny.

But 45 kg at 163 cm would be quite slim as the pictures show.

Also, what is her age?

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2833149]So I'm a former resident of Asia (Singapore and Hong Kong) for nearly 20 years with extensive experience throughout. I'll be in Bangkok for a week very soon for the first time in 10 years or so. I'm debating on whether to focus on looking for non- or part-time pros the MBK / Siam Square area which I used to know very well, versus Ratchada 17 area or thereabouts. I'm looking for university girls, mall captures, perhaps 'sideline' girls, clubs, that sort of thing. Little interest in bars or gogos. Probably will not venture to areas like Nana or Patpong at all.

Any opinions from some of you fellow senior members regarding the above?

Also looking for budget hotel or airBnB recommendations. The closer I can get to Siam Square (ideally) or a MRT or Skytrain station the better. I also have mobility issues (prosthetic leg below the knee) so I don't really want to walk very far.

I had Muangphol Mansion on my shortlist due to location near MBK / Siam Square / Paragon but I'm not sure they're guest friendly or not and apparently the internet there is non-existent.

As far as Ratchada, looking into Atrium Ratchada 13 or Watana Mansion, which I know are both guest friendly. Never set foot in that area in my life though so the decision is to go where I know, or try the new area which has tons of potential.

Any / all suggestions are appreciated. Cheers![/QUOTE]Watana Mansion not exactly Walk Friendly.

As far as Free girls. I got Nothing. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2833134]Anyone else a fan of Angel witch. I just don't see it.[/QUOTE]I won't even walk in the door.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2833181]So, is she tiny or is she slim?

163 cm that they are quoting isn't tiny.

But 45 kg at 163 cm would be quite slim as the pictures show.

Also, what is her age?[/QUOTE]Slim and delicate. Didn't ask her age but the performance issues say "twenty something" to me.

Got in very late and was eager to get started, so even though I knew going anywhere at 1 am was not going to be very productive, headed out to Soi Cowboy and yes, slim pickings. Even though I was anxious to get started, I was also not willing to settle for lower quality even at lower prices. So after a few beers at Baccara and Suzy Wongs, went back to the hotel. But I was happy to be back in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2833087]So I'm pretty familiar with the gogo and massage scene in Bangkok but might want to try a freelancer type club. I've seen mention of the Levels here. But there are two clubs that are super well reviewed on google but I don't recall mention of here. One is called Juicy and one is called Lucy.

Anyone have any insights why these aren't discussed? No freelancers just legit nightclubs? What's up? And any opinions on Levels or alternatives?

P.S. Thinking Billboard Butterflies Rainbow and Angelwitch for gogos. Any to add to the list?

Wouldn't mind some pool and beer and a blowjob during the day. Sounds like 7-heaven is recommended but it's pretty far from Nana central. Any other recommendations for daytime casual fun (including BJ). There will be two of us so a buddies kind of activity is great.

P.S. Massive detailed writeup to follow my visit (u can see my extensive posts in other groups). Thanks.[/QUOTE]I think Lucy is pronounced "lucky" by the taxi guys. In any case it is an after hours club. I was told girls from Mixx go there if they are without customer. Talking of Mixx I was there last night and it was full of ladyboys some of whom walk around Sukhumvit all the time.

You can pick up from levels but they tend to be a little older. Civies are also possible if you are lucky haha.

The other club on Soi 11 is sugar but have not picked up anyone from there yet.

Late late night if you are still alone take a taxi to honey club where you can pick a girl from a lineup and pay the bar dude upfront. But it can be a hit or miss.

BTW I tried to dm you but your mb is full.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2833475]I think Lucy is pronounced "lucky" by the taxi guys. In any case it is an after hours club. I was told girls from Mixx go there if they are without customer. Talking of Mixx I was there last night and it was full of ladyboys some of whom walk around Sukhumvit all the time.

You can pick up from levels but they tend to be a little older. Civies are also possible if you are lucky haha.

The other club on Soi 11 is sugar but have not picked up anyone from there yet.

Late late night if you are still alone take a taxi to honey club where you can pick a girl from a lineup and pay the bar dude upfront. But it can be a hit or miss.

BTW I tried to dm you but your mb is full.[/QUOTE]Seen any Russian girls in Mixx? I used to grab a CIS gal out of there once in a while, albiet fake Russians (Kazakh, Uzbek etc). Before COVID I was simply smashing the foreign girls here and in Siem Reap. Ah, the good old days.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2833149]So I'm a former resident of Asia (Singapore and Hong Kong) for nearly 20 years with extensive experience throughout. I'll be in Bangkok for a week very soon for the first time in 10 years or so. I'm debating on whether to focus on looking for non- or part-time pros the MBK / Siam Square area which I used to know very well, versus Ratchada 17 area or thereabouts. I'm looking for university girls, mall captures, perhaps 'sideline' girls, clubs, that sort of thing. Little interest in bars or gogos. Probably will not venture to areas like Nana or Patpong at all.

Any opinions from some of you fellow senior members regarding the above?

Also looking for budget hotel or airBnB recommendations. The closer I can get to Siam Square (ideally) or a MRT or Skytrain station the better. I also have mobility issues (prosthetic leg below the knee) so I don't really want to walk very far.

I had Muangphol Mansion on my shortlist due to location near MBK / Siam Square / Paragon but I'm not sure they're guest friendly or not and apparently the internet there is non-existent.

As far as Ratchada, looking into Atrium Ratchada 13 or Watana Mansion, which I know are both guest friendly. Never set foot in that area in my life though so the decision is to go where I know, or try the new area which has tons of potential.

Any / all suggestions are appreciated. Cheers![/QUOTE]With the utmost respect, in light of your age and disability, you arent getting freebies out of young juicy non pros. Why waste your time?

Besides nothing in life, especially with women, is free.

I'm back in BKK for a bit, Ill try to give why'all newbies a dose of reality while I'm here. I might even head out tonight, jet lagged and gnarly.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2833475]I think Lucy is pronounced "lucky" by the taxi guys. In any case it is an after hours club. I was told girls from Mixx go there if they are without customer. Talking of Mixx I was there last night and it was full of ladyboys some of whom walk around Sukhumvit all the time.

You can pick up from levels but they tend to be a little older. Civies are also possible if you are lucky haha.

The other club on Soi 11 is sugar but have not picked up anyone from there yet.

Late late night if you are still alone take a taxi to honey club where you can pick a girl from a lineup and pay the bar dude upfront. But it can be a hit or miss.

BTW I tried to dm you but your mb is full.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips. My inbox is open for business. Thanks for letting me know.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2833480]With the utmost respect, in light of your age and disability, you arent getting freebies out of young juicy non pros. Why waste your time?

Besides nothing in life, especially with women, is free.

I'm back in BKK for a bit, Ill try to give why'all newbies a dose of reality while I'm here. I might even head out tonight, jet lagged and gnarly.[/QUOTE]I had no clue when I was in Bangkok, walked for hours scoping the area. Walked into a small bar and had a drink and a small group of guys (2 Koreans, 1 local Thai, 1 black) invited me to drink with them but I just minded my own. Next comes in 2 European tourist girls and the group invites them to drink with them. Next night I stopped again in the same bar and both European girls and the same Korean guys walk in together and where DFK every 10 minutes. I regret not accepting their invitation.

Tonight report: Lots of decent looking girls line the walk between Soi3 and Asoke. Lots of Ladyboys too, if you want to know how to ID a ladyboy, well then take advantage of the wealth of info on this Board.

I rolled into Thermae at like 21:30, there were tons of new faces and I got some Lines. Mostly I just bullshitted with the staff, who if you think about it, are peopled who with a nice ratio of geezers who have been there forever.

By getting some Lines, I'm pointing out that there were some nice new young skinny hotties who if I would have done if I wasn't lagged. But now I got a plethora of new "I love you" dancing characters in my Inbox.

And no I didn't get prices because I don't care, I don't negotiate and if I want it bad enough (rarely), even stupid offers may be accepted. However, the going rate is 2500-3000.

Started the late morning with a trip to WOW massage. Unfortunately only 1 girl available (all the other girls were pre-booked! So I let my buddy take her. He had a great time and was very happy. I went to Wonder massage, lineup had around 7 girls, not horrible, but not great. I chose someone and ordered and paid for nuru. And didn't get it, WTF? Just got a sub-par oil massage, no BTB and them mediocre ending.

Had great dinner at Michelin recommended place, then went hunting in Nana Plaza. Walked around and decided on Billboards as first choice. Love the revolving stage, tons of girls on stage at around 9:30. My buddy and I picked one each; I was in a good mood so bought several lady drinks to the staff and our choices, then paid 1000 bar fine and short time, then headed back to hotel. For another very mediocre experience. My buddy was again very happy with his choice, but I'm 0 for 2. But Billboards certainly has a decent selection.

Went to a great pork noodle restaurant. Fantastic, then started at Doki Doki. There were only 2 girls available and I let my buddy choose first from the ipad, and of course he picked the girl I would've chosen. Champagne. I got June. We took the 90 minute nuru. This time he was very disappointed, he said she was a little chubby and didn't give great service, but I had a great time with June. She gave a very thorough nuru on the air mattress in the shower area and then some very energetic happy ending, then a very solid massage and then another happy ending, my luck started to change dramatically.

Went to another Michelin guide restaurant for dinner and went back to Nana Plaza with the idea that we'd hit Thermae as our back up. Saw a fantastic girl on the first floor, but obviously looked like a hostess only girl, so we went to the top floor and circled around a few times. Decided to skip Billboard and saw a bunch of guys going into Geisha, so even though it doesn't seem to get a lot of mentions on this thread, the quality of the girls was very good. One of the biggest problems is that there is no rotating stage, and in fact, to check out some of the girls I did get up and walk around. I immediately saw a number of girls I was going to choose to take out and after consideration and a couple of lineup changes and me walking around the stage, picked a girl that ended up having worked for only 10 days. Yeah, believe me, I know, you can never completely trust what they say, BUT what convinced me was how shocked she looked when one of the girls in the jacuzzi let some guy finger her in front of everyone while he was pasting bills with his other hand on her wet body. My buddy found his pick and we had such a great time we did buy the girls and some of the staff drinks. Until my buddy found that the girl he had picked did NOT go out with customers. So be forewarned, if a girl is not in a bikini, she's probably just a hostess, which made sense, because the girl was pretty, super-funny and fun to joke around with. So again, good luck for me and I headed to the hotel, I told my friend to head over to Thermae, but the next day I found out he was so unhappy he decided he'd just skip the night.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2833631]Went to a great pork noodle restaurant. Fantastic, then started at Doki Doki. There were only 2 girls available and I let my buddy choose first from the ipad, and of course he picked the girl I would've chosen. Champagne. I got June. We took the 90 minute nuru. This time he was very disappointed, he said she was a little chubby and didn't give great service, but I had a great time with June. She gave a very thorough nuru on the air mattress in the shower area and then some very energetic happy ending, then a very solid massage and then another happy ending, my luck started to change dramatically.

Went to another Michelin guide restaurant for dinner and went back to Nana Plaza with the idea that we'd hit Thermae as our back up. Saw a fantastic girl on the first floor, but obviously looked like a hostess only girl, so we went to the top floor and circled around a few times. Decided to skip Billboard and saw a bunch of guys going into Geisha, so even though it doesn't seem to get a lot of mentions on this thread, the quality of the girls was very good. One of the biggest problems is that there is no rotating stage, and in fact, to check out some of the girls I did get up and walk around. I immediately saw a number of girls I was going to choose to take out and after consideration and a couple of lineup changes and me walking around the stage, picked a girl that ended up having worked for only 10 days. Yeah, believe me, I know, you can never completely trust what they say, BUT what convinced me was how shocked she looked when one of the girls in the jacuzzi let some guy finger her in front of everyone while he was pasting bills with his other hand on her wet body. My buddy found his pick and we had such a great time we did buy the girls and some of the staff drinks. Until my buddy found that the girl he had picked did NOT go out with customers. So be forewarned, if a girl is not in a bikini, she's probably just a hostess, which made sense, because the girl was pretty, super-funny and fun to joke around with. So again, good luck for me and I headed to the hotel, I told my friend to head over to Thermae, but the next day I found out he was so unhappy he decided he'd just skip the night.[/QUOTE]Beware of I believe the coyotes. Saw hiring signs for coyote, model, pr. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but guessing the PR is just the hostess, think coyote were ones that just get you to buy drinks so they don't go out or rarely go out with customers. The model is the "normal" working girl that goes out with folks.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2833643]Beware of I believe the coyotes. Saw hiring signs for coyote, model, pr. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but guessing the PR is just the hostess, think coyote were ones that just get you to buy drinks so they don't go out or rarely go out with customers. The model is the "normal" working girl that goes out with folks.[/QUOTE]Looked up Geisha on google because as was said not talked about a lot. Got a whopping 1. 7 stars! Not a lot of reviews but they all said they were charged for drinks they didn't buy. Glad the poster had a good time but it sounds like one pass on unless others have info to the contrary.

Ps thanks Doc for the great in the field reports!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2833577]Lots of decent looking girls line the walk between Soi 3 and Asoke. Lots of ladyboys too. . . . Rolled into Thermae at like 21:30, there were tons of new faces and I got some Lines. Mostly I just bullshitted with the staff. . . . I didn't get prices because I don't care, I don't negotiate and if I want it bad enough (rarely) even stupid offers may be accepted. However, the going rate is 2500-3000.[/QUOTE]Great to see Old Nyezhov back in town. He's been there, done that and bought the t-shirt. And he tells it like it is. Looking forward to more reports.

Bunky

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2833134]Anyone else a fan of Angel witch. I just don't see it.[/QUOTE]I like Angelwitch. Its a good break from the electronic beats and club atmsophere since Angelwitch is more of a rock bar and fun. The show gets old quick but its a good escape for a bit. Girls there are a mixed bag usually.

If I had seen those reviews, I would've stayed away. And I did see the recommendation to stay away from corner bars, though it seemed like there was a suspicion more ladyboys in the corners. All I know is we saw a bunch of guys who headed directly to Geisha and it seemed like they knew what they were doing, so we followed them. Lucky for me, I did, it was great and I'm seeing the same girl again. But again, my buddy was upset he had a girl who wouldn't go out, so definitely ask! And I didn't count drinks carefully, because I didn't realize they might rip me off, but if it was off, it wasn't off by a lot.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2833710]Looked up Geisha on google because as was said not talked about a lot. Got a whopping 1. 7 stars! Not a lot of reviews but they all said they were charged for drinks they didn't buy. Glad the poster had a good time but it sounds like one pass on unless others have info to the contrary.

Ps thanks Doc for the great in the field reports![/QUOTE]

Loads of hotties at Thermae again.

Billboard, mixed bag. Rainbow next door, some hotties but babe, I'm not paying 4 k plus a bar fine, plus a short time room unless its down your throat and that's not your bag, TTYL, hey ya got a drink.

2nd floor Rainbow (3?) not the one in the corner was jammed pack with fuckables. I'm going to go back next week. I wasn't in the mood to drop 5 K with my bod still jetlkagged.

So I smashed a waiflike deaf girl, nice bargain, 2 K plus 500ST Nana Hotel room (decent). She only wanted 1500 but I give her 500 extra because I was a disgusting pervert. Fucking a deaf girl is weird.

Walked to Suk at about 1 am from Nana, grabbed a cab, meter to home on first flag, no arguing, no hassles, snagged 7-11 Pork and Chicken burger for the munchie attack, now its time for bed.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2833643]Beware of I believe the coyotes. Saw hiring signs for coyote, model, pr. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but guessing the PR is just the hostess, think coyote were ones that just get you to buy drinks so they don't go out or rarely go out with customers. The model is the "normal" working girl that goes out with folks.[/QUOTE]Often in a lot of gogos PR, coyote and model are just 3 tiers of pay that the girls receive from the bar depending (and all of them can go with customers if they want).

Speaking of Thermae, anyone knows how likely you are to get BBFS from the girls working there? I heard it's pretty hard from the Thermae girls.

I heard that Thermae was supposedly an asian avenue but when I went there (I'm white) last April I got a lot of smiles from the ladies, didn't end up taking anyone though as I was heading to Nana.

With the nana girls I had decent luck with BBFS, about 40 50% just going with the flow.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2833807]Loads of hotties at Thermae again.

Billboard, mixed bag. Rainbow next door, some hotties but babe, I'm not paying 4 k plus a bar fine, plus a short time room unless its down your throat and that's not your bag, TTYL, hey ya got a drink.

2nd floor Rainbow (3?) not the one in the corner was jammed pack with fuckables. I'm going to go back next week. I wasn't in the mood to drop 5 K with my bod still jetlkagged.

So I smashed a waiflike deaf girl, nice bargain, 2 K plus 500ST Nana Hotel room (decent). She only wanted 1500 but I give her 500 extra because I was a disgusting pervert. Fucking a deaf girl is weird.

Walked to Suk at about 1 am from Nana, grabbed a cab, meter to home on first flag, no arguing, no hassles, snagged 7-11 Pork and Chicken burger for the munchie attack, now its time for bed.[/QUOTE]Will be heading to Rainbow 4 and 5 tonight after a week and a half in Pattaya. Hit girl Soi 6 1,500 baht. 3 out of a 1,000 on any given night.

They are there.

Are you saying Barfine 1,000. Fee to girl is 4,000? At Rainbow?

I'm pretty sure 2 weeks ago Fee was still 3,000 to girl.

Will report back.

[QUOTE=Resler91;2833823]Often in a lot of gogos PR, coyote and model are just 3 tiers of pay that the girls receive from the bar depending (and all of them can go with customers if they want).

Speaking of Thermae, anyone knows how likely you are to get BBFS from the girls working there? I heard it's pretty hard from the Thermae girls.

I heard that Thermae was supposedly an asian avenue but when I went there (I'm white) last April I got a lot of smiles from the ladies, didn't end up taking anyone though as I was heading to Nana.

With the nana girls I had decent luck with BBFS, about 40 50% just going with the flow.[/QUOTE]Since Thermae girls do not give blowjobs, I seriously doubt that you can get BBFS from them.

Thermae is an Asian joint. But I guessing you got a lot of smiles from the ladies because you are young, handsome, and in good shape.

Eating like a pig and had a very light lunch at Terminal 21, then went to Aya Massage, a very nice facility. A few girls were lounging around and when a line up was called a number of girls started popping up from all over-m\about 10 in total. I picked a very cute girl and my buddy picked the girl who helped usher us in. We got the 1 hour nuru and this time I got the prettier girl, but my buddy got the much better service. Afterward he was raving about the great massage he got, in addition to solid nuru and happy ending. I had a very mediocre time. Sorry, can't remember the names now.

Went to a michelin star restaurant for dinner. Again I was quite disappointed and my buddy loved it, though this time we both got the same prix fixe dinner. Just different tastes.

The night was something different. Went to Maria Massage. Incredible! We got there just 20 minutes too late, apparently several groups of guys arrived just before us. So the girls were getting picked right and left. But it was still amazing. I did a rough count and it was close to 100 of all pretty girls. The ugliest would be one of the top of what you'd see at Nana or Soi Cowboy. It was a little overwhelming, deciding how to choose. We just walked around, then had to take a seat to catch our breath and try to figure it out. We eventually made our choices and went up. Everything was high quality and clean. As it should be at these prices and fortunately they do take credit cards. There also didn't seem to be any clear rationale for the different prices, definitely it seemed to us that some of the prettiest girls were priced lower than some of the less pretty girls. Everything is pretty set 90 minute session, including a wash and then jacuzz soaping, including a BBBJ, then happy ending in bed followed by a massage. Pretty great.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2833965]Eating like a pig and had a very light lunch at Terminal 21, then went to Aya Massage, a very nice facility. A few girls were lounging around and when a line up was called a number of girls started popping up from all over-m\about 10 in total. I picked a very cute girl and my buddy picked the girl who helped usher us in. We got the 1 hour nuru and this time I got the prettier girl, but my buddy got the much better service. Afterward he was raving about the great massage he got, in addition to solid nuru and happy ending. I had a very mediocre time. Sorry, can't remember the names now.

Went to a michelin star restaurant for dinner. Again I was quite disappointed and my buddy loved it, though this time we both got the same prix fixe dinner. Just different tastes.

The night was something different. Went to Maria Massage. Incredible! We got there just 20 minutes too late, apparently several groups of guys arrived just before us. So the girls were getting picked right and left. But it was still amazing. I did a rough count and it was close to 100 of all pretty girls. The ugliest would be one of the top of what you'd see at Nana or Soi Cowboy. It was a little overwhelming, deciding how to choose. We just walked around, then had to take a seat to catch our breath and try to figure it out. We eventually made our choices and went up. Everything was high quality and clean. As it should be at these prices and fortunately they do take credit cards. There also didn't seem to be any clear rationale for the different prices, definitely it seemed to us that some of the prettiest girls were priced lower than some of the less pretty girls. Everything is pretty set 90 minute session, including a wash and then jacuzz soaping, including a BBBJ, then happy ending in bed followed by a massage. Pretty great.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your continued reports. I am not familiar with Maria but if it's a high end soapy (seems to be — what was pricing?) then it should have been full on FS not just BJ and HJ. Anyone know post COVID Status of Poseidon? This was my buddys' favorite preCovid. I saw FilthyBeaver recommend — any up to date intel?

Doc if you are feeling the high end soapy experience you might TOFTT and try Poseidon and let us know. Else I surely will shortly and report back.

Yeah, to be clear. To me, in Bangkok, happy ending means FS. But you're right, in the rest of the uncivilized world, happy ending usually just means a HJ. Maria is one of the most expensive soapy massage places in Bangkok. If I remember correctly, prices ranged from something like 5000 to 15,000. I generally found that 8000 to 9000 was great for me. I never paid these prices before, but it's been such a long time since I've been in Bangkok, I wanted to give it a try. And I'm came here for work, so I'm going to have limited time soon. I've been to Poseidon a long time ago, my memories are great, but Maria was on a different level.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2834006]Thanks for your continued reports. I am not familiar with Maria but if it's a high end soapy (seems to be what was pricing?) then it should have been full on FS not just BJ and HJ. Anyone know post COVID Status of Poseidon? This was my buddys' favorite preCovid. I saw FilthyBeaver recommend any up to date intel?

Doc if you are feeling the high end soapy experience you might TOFTT and try Poseidon and let us know. Else I surely will shortly and report back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2833883]Since Thermae girls do not give blowjobs, I seriously doubt that you can get BBFS from them.

Thermae is an Asian joint. But I guessing you got a lot of smiles from the ladies because you are young, handsome, and in good shape.[/QUOTE]I'm old fat and ugly and I alwys get gobbled at Thermae.

I'm sure most of the experienced guys here would agree that BBBJs are easy to get in Thermae. I've had BBFS with hot Thermae girls.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2833881]Will be heading to Rainbow 4 and 5 tonight after a week and a half in Pattaya. Hit girl Soi 6 1,500 baht. 3 out of a 1,000 on any given night.

They are there.

Are you saying Barfine 1,000. Fee to girl is 4,000? At Rainbow?

I'm pretty sure 2 weeks ago Fee was still 3,000 to girl.

Will report back.[/QUOTE]1000 B bar fine. She started at 4, dropped to 3 but I had already lost interest due to her rote babbling of bar girl lines. She just started on Friday too.

Depressed.

Nana Plaza look like just out of COVID.

Look like Random took over Rainbow 3. How is this possible main Random by escalater never gets Customers. Weird.

Tried asking in the massage forum but not luck.

Can anyone please let me know if girls at La Belle are open to CIM, COF, DFK? Are these a part of standard services or they charge extra / tip?

I don't have information at La Belle specifically, but having been to 2 other high-end places, I would say none of those are standard and I highly doubt they are regularly available, though you may get lucky and find a girl willing to do it for extra.

[QUOTE=DavidSean;2834123]Tried asking in the massage forum but not luck.

Can anyone please let me know if girls at La Belle are open to CIM, COF, DFK? Are these a part of standard services or they charge extra / tip?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2834127]I don't have information at La Belle specifically, but having been to 2 other high-end places, I would say none of those are standard and I highly doubt they are regularly available, though you may get lucky and find a girl willing to do it for extra.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I don't remember but I have seen some old posts mentioning these services in high end soapies.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2834127]I don't have information at La Belle specifically, but having been to 2 other high-end places, I would say none of those are standard and I highly doubt they are regularly available, though you may get lucky and find a girl willing to do it for extra.[/QUOTE]Are you likely to get kissing in the soapies?

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2834017]Yeah, to be clear. To me, in Bangkok, happy ending means FS. But you're right, in the rest of the uncivilized world, happy ending usually just means a HJ. Maria is one of the most expensive soapy massage places in Bangkok. If I remember correctly, prices ranged from something like 5000 to 15,000. I generally found that 8000 to 9000 was great for me. I never paid these prices before, but it's been such a long time since I've been in Bangkok, I wanted to give it a try. And I'm came here for work, so I'm going to have limited time soon. I've been to Poseidon a long time ago, my memories are great, but Maria was on a different level.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report.

I know I am risking getting caught asking a ridiculously silly question. But, having never been to Maria I figure somebody ought to ask so it might as well be me;.

Considering it is Bangkok, those 8,000 - 15,000 Baht Short Time girls must absolutely insist their generous and lucky customers enjoy BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM+Swallow in the session, right?

Golden rule for Orgies.

You have to go downscale. Old, ugly, fatties are your Best Bet.

High End you paying for their Good facial Genes, body too. Not service.

[QUOTE=MDave1981;2830538]Which place is better (and more cost effective / bang for the buck) for getting action? Bangkok or pattaya? Can someone help explain.[/QUOTE]Unit-wise, everything is cheaper in Pattaya than in Bangkok. But it's easier to spend more money in Pattaya because of the lady drinks.

I find freelancer hunting in Bangkok more challenging and enjoyable than barfining a girl in Pattaya (too easy).

[QUOTE=Akibono;2834165]Are you likely to get kissing in the soapies?[/QUOTE]That was a question in general.

I will be visiting bkk during November. I want mature MILFs for massage. Which places are the best to find? Also, how to where to find CIS beauties. Best places to stay for first time. TIA.

[QUOTE=IronMan03;2834337]I will be visiting bkk during November. I want mature MILFs for massage. Which places are the best to find? Also, how to where to find CIS beauties. Best places to stay for first time. TIA.[/QUOTE]Massages are in a different sub forum, as are hotels. I always suggest first timers stay in 4 star hotels because it impresses the girls. MILF massages are everywhere.

I've been waiting fopr someone to tell me where the CIS girls are.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2834165]Are you likely to get kissing in the soapies?[/QUOTE]It's not a given in Thailand. Just ask. If you want to 'exchange tongue,' be specific, else they will say 'yes' and you get a peck on your cheek.

One Mainstream Tier 1 agog in Nana is now an also ran,. Maybe third tier?

Can you name that agg.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2834209]Thanks for the report.

I know I am risking getting caught asking a ridiculously silly question. But, having never been to Maria I figure somebody ought to ask so it might as well be me;.

Considering it is Bangkok, those 8,000 - 15,000 Baht Short Time girls must absolutely insist their generous and lucky customers enjoy BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM+Swallow in the session, right?[/QUOTE]BBBJ is standard in the soapies I've been to (LaBelle, La Defense); I'm not sure about Maria, but I suspect yes. But if the girl finds a customer repulsive, she doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to. Usually no BBFS / CIP. I got CIM a couple of times but the girls and I were into each other (at least that was the vibe I got. Or they could just be Oscar winning actresses). I got BBFS with a girl but I was a repeat customer but did not CIP. I blasted her back, CIM on my visits. Not worth the risk of being a baby daddy and buying water buffalos the rest of your life. If you really like a girl I suggest going back to avoid the crapshoot of service and you can work on getting a real GFE. But to each his own; some guys like variety. Have fun, Brutha.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2834209]Thanks for the report.

I know I am risking getting caught asking a ridiculously silly question. But, having never been to Maria I figure somebody ought to ask so it might as well be me;.

Considering it is Bangkok, those 8,000 - 15,000 Baht Short Time girls must absolutely insist their generous and lucky customers enjoy BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM+Swallow in the session, right?[/QUOTE]BBBJ is standard in the soapies I've been to (LaBelle, La Defense); I'm not sure about Maria, but I suspect yes. But if the girl finds a customer repulsive, she doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to. Usually no BBFS / CIP. I got CIM a couple of times but the girls and I were into each other (at least that was the vibe I got. Or they could just be great actresses). I got BBFS with a girl but I was a repeat customer but did not CIP. I blasted her back, CIM on my visits. Not worth the risk of being a baby daddy and buying water buffalos the rest of your life. Maybe if you pay enough all bets are off. If you really like a girl I suggest going back to avoid the crapshoot of service and you can work on getting a real GFE. But to each his own; some guys like variety.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2826927]I had a heart attack and a stent, the work was done by BNH Cardio Dept, two ambulances, stent, 5 Docs, 3 days private room, meals, tight white unforms concealing fabulous asses etc, plus followup came to about $14 K. Insurance paid me back. It would have been about $45 K here in the Land of the Free. They did a great job.

The two major expat hospitals are Bummygrad in Suk area and BNH in Silom.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the great advice.

My friend went to BNH Hospital and got the right diagnosis after many consultations, scans and lab work. It was all affordable at about US $4500 including a night stay in ICU.

Friend had been suffering with the wrong diagnosis and wrong medicine for 3 years. Within 2 days she was a lot better.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2834209]Considering it is Bangkok, those 8,000 - 15,000 Baht Short Time girls must absolutely insist their generous and lucky customers enjoy BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM+Swallow in the session, right?[/QUOTE]Not for me, which is why I've only done the premium soapy places 3 times (twice at Lords Palace, so you know long time ago). I always got very pretty girl, nice bath, BBBJ and then CFS. Service always felt mechanical.

Another problem I twice experienced was the bath was too hot and the room got muggy. That drained my strength and degraded the experience.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2833480]With the utmost respect, in light of your age and disability, you arent getting freebies out of young juicy non pros. Why waste your time?

Besides nothing in life, especially with women, is free.

I'm back in BKK for a bit, Ill try to give why'all newbies a dose of reality while I'm here. I might even head out tonight, jet lagged and gnarly.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's the goal, but I'm only going to be in BKK for two or three nights. I do have a couple of prospects lined up via Thaiflirting but rather find some once I'm on the ground in case my internet prospects flake out.

[QUOTE=BamBoomBam;2834292]Unit-wise, everything is cheaper in Pattaya than in Bangkok. But it's easier to spend more money in Pattaya because of the lady drinks.
[/QUOTE]Unless BKK gogo BF's have gone up since COVID, Pattaya gogo BF have always been more than BKK gogo BF going back to at least 2015. What's Up cranked the gogo BF to 2k in 2015 for models (this is when a model meant a top girl vs the current defn meaning any raggedy girl who will dance topless) and other top gogo bars followed suit. Then the tiered BF pricing started in Pattaya.

Usually I hang out more in Soi Cowboy, but had a different hotel during this visit so hit on Nana Plaza this time around:

My take on the Gogo's:

Spankey's: Most action, funny shows and chatty / vibrant talent. Not too pushy on the drinks. Big downside is that it is quite dark and therefore you might end up with someone you usually would not pick in your room (as happened to me). But the experience and service was great nevertheless.

Billboard: A lot of interesting talent, but most seem attracted to Asians and young Caucasians, both categories I do not qualify for. Managed to get a fairly good looking and highly active (in the bar) one out for short time. As is often the case, the most active in the bar are the dullest, boring and off-turning ones in the room. That was my experience today.

Mandarin: In my humble view the best selection of cute talent in the Plaza. Having said that, the Management is the exact opposite. Calling a girl to your seat "officially & automatically" is "charged" with 2 lady-drinks and the bill at the end seemed a tad inflated (by 200-300 THB. I didn't make a fuss about as I was enjoying the vibes and didn't want to change that for this amount). The girl was exceptional, from the minute I saw her on stage to the minute she left my room. So sometimes it might be worth it to be overcharged a little 😉 if at the end the experience is so great.

During my stay I also went to the Phrom Phom area twice for a full service massage at Club 102 in Soi 24. I have been to this place on many occasions and it has never failed me. They have talent for every taste. I usually alternate between "known-talent" and "fresh" options, which the French owner is happy to point out once you start a conversation with him.

Thermae. Contrary to many other reports, quite a few hotties also smiled and tried to engage (I am an overweight mid 50's Caucasian) - so not only suitable for Asians (at least on weekdays). Having said that, timing was not right, and I will have to return to sample some available flavours.

Overall again a great trip. Well supported by Pfizer - but in conclusion my preference stays with Soi Cowboy, where on balance I have had a better "hit rate" at my favourites Dollhouse, Suzie Wong and Baccara. Maybe just me and to some extent the "decent" reputation I have been able to build is some bars. But at least it is an opinion.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2834768]Unless BKK gogo BF's have gone up since COVID, Pattaya gogo BF have always been more than BKK gogo BF going back to at least 2015. What's Up cranked the gogo BF to 2k in 2015 for models (this is when a model meant a top girl vs the current defn meaning any raggedy girl who will dance topless) and other top gogo bars followed suit. Then the tiered BF pricing started in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I missed that one. You are right. Barfine in Crazy House Soi Cowboy is still 700 Baht. But barfine in a Walking Street Pattaya agogo is usually 1,500 to 2,000 Baht. Might even be higher now because I stopped asking.

Finally able to visit Bangkok after 3.5+ years and I'm staying kind of far from the fun areas. Could some fellas recommend short time hotel and cost around Nana, Thermae, and Soi Cowboy? I've never stay at one before as I've always booked hotel near one of those area. And I don't need my passport to rent a 1-2 hours room, correct? TIA.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;2835085]Finally able to visit Bangkok after 3.5+ years and I'm staying kind of far from the fun areas. Could some fellas recommend short time hotel and cost around Nana, Thermae, and Soi Cowboy? I've never stay at one before as I've always booked hotel near one of those area. And I don't need my passport to rent a 1-2 hours room, correct? TIA.[/QUOTE]The girl may have her favored hotel, but be sure that you pay at the front desk, don't give her the room money. I've had times where she wanted to skip the front desk and take me to a used room, perhaps her room or a friend's room. I've paid everything from 250 baht to 600 baht, most are about 300 baht. In March I had a couple times where multiple ST hotels have been full. No ST hotel has ever requested a passport from me.

Cowboy area. I haven't found a good one.

Thermae area. I haven't found a good one.

Soi 7/1 - Atlas is on the left as you walk into the Soi. That is about as good of a ST hotel as I've had.

Soi 4 - Almost directly across Soi 4 from Hillary 1 is a small soi. There are at least 3 ST hotels on that soi, probably more. In my experience, one a ways into that soi on the left has been the best, I don't remember the name.

In my experience, the girls tend to favor going to my nice hotel over a grungy ST hotel, even if some walking is necessary.

Is anybody aware of an alternative address?

The website is still working, so how was it seized?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2835380]The website is still working, so how was it seized?[/QUOTE]The screenshot is attached.

Worked all day including a dinner meeting, so treated ourselves to Black Caviar. Yes, another high end MP. About a third to almost half as many girls as at Maria's, but all high quality. I'm not a fan of having the girls line the entrance, for me it's just a little too close and I can't catch your breath, but on the other hand, my buddy liked it that way, so different preferences.

Walked through the girls and then decided to sit and get a beer as we tried to decide. Just like at Maria, a small group of Chinese guys who were sitting next to us asked for a line-up, which was great, so we got to look at the girls without them looking at us, as we eventually chose girls from this line up, but unfortunately, the girl my buddy decided on got picked by someone from the group, so back to the drawing board for him. I quickly asked for the girl I decided on, so she wouldn't get picked. After my friend picked a replacement, we paid by credit card and went upstairs.

I was super-happy with my choice, the girl was gorgeous and super-nice. The actual program was pretty much the same as at Maria: talking and joking around as the jacuzzi got filled, then we go in, wash up and then a BBBJ in the jacuzzi, then to the bed for CFS, followed up by massage. I'm good.

Also, the price range was around 5000 to 19,000, but same as at Maria, I found that some of the expensive girls less attractive than the lower priced one and that for me 8000-9000 was excellent.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2835136]The girl may have her favored hotel, but be sure that you pay at the front desk, don't give her the room money. I've had times where she wanted to skip the front desk and take me to a used room, perhaps her room or a friend's room. I've paid everything from 250 baht to 600 baht, most are about 300 baht. In March I had a couple times where multiple ST hotels have been full. No ST hotel has ever requested a passport from me.


In my experience, the girls tend to favor going to my nice hotel over a grungy ST hotel, even if some walking is necessary.[/QUOTE]Stayed at the Centre point, soi 10. Totally girl friendly and great hotel.

Spent 2 nights in Bangkok after 7 in PAttaya.

Wow Pattaya is so much nicer and easier to punt in.

Selection of girls was poorer and less dense compared to Pattaya for sure.

Between Nana, thermae and Soi cowboy, the freelances were harder to find and less of a choice compared to PAttaya.

Stayed at Central point soi10, nice girl friendly place conveniently located.

Overall found pattaya to be more convenient and fun. Less hustle and bustle and travel needed.

Another day of work, but casual dinner gave me time to go to Thermae for my last night. I have to agree with the others, a number of very pretty girls around, but its always a little difficult to figure things out in these cramped quarters. I walked around, sat down for awhile and tried to choose between the girls I spotted walking around. The prettiest girl seemed to spend all her time on her phone, so no to her. Finally decided on someone who looked really friendly and ended up having a great time. In fact, only booked ST for 3000, it was so much fun, I asked for a couple more hours for another 3000. I didn't push anything more than BBBJ and CFS.

Ok, after more than a decade away from BKK. I had an excellent time coming for work and also eating and playing a ton. I still missed out on a bunch of things. For next time. I did the regular MPs in the Sukhumvit area (Wow, Wonder, Aya and Doki doki), a couple of the very high end MPs (Maria and Black Caviar), a few of the gogo bars (Billboard and Geisha, also had drinks at a few of others) and Thermae. As usual, YMMV.

In the high end MPs, everything is more consistent. The girls are almost all pretty to stunning and the service is always going to be great, but probably not amazing. The regular MPs varied pretty significantly, depends on the place and the girl. Thermae is going to be the most variable, and will really depend on the girl and how you hit it off with her.

My recommendation is only go to the high end place if you don't have much time to shop around or if you don't want to take the chance of a little sub-par service. Thermae is going to be the most hit or miss, but worth it if you have the time.

Have a great time and I'm already trying to figure out how to get back!

[QUOTE=DBrick;2835381]The screenshot is attached.[/QUOTE]Instead of [URL]fiwfans.com[/URL], try fiwfans.vip. My devices all automatically redirect to ".vip".

Easy enough to look up on google maps. I drove there know there is a big parking lot with lots of attendants. I even left my car lights on and they searched for me inside to notify me. Once inside this huge club, it is like a nice hotel with a big lounge area to pick the girls. There are two areas to pick from a lineup with the stage lined with three rows of kiss shape couches and the bar area. The bar area seems to have more high prices girls with attitude. They never look up or smile even after the host has given you the price list of the girls based on the letter on the red pin. Most of the girls there are L category so they want 8500 baht. I chose one on the couch with the biggest smile to show her braces. She is a S category meaning 3300 baht for 90 minutes with is standard. She was 19 yo with a pretty and baby face. She is medium build with be cups. After paying at the counter, she led me to the room and immediately gave me a DFK as she ran the water for the jacuzzi. We also waited for the barmaid to bring water for 65 baht and laughed about how both our names are Jay. After the bath, we went to the bed for a nice long BBBJ. She took a pounding in all positions for most of the time till the phone rang for the 15 minutes warning so no time for a massage. She walks me back to the lounge so I stayed a awhile to enjoy the lounge singer and the new lineup. Overall a nice time for a first day ever in Bangkok. Thanks everyone for the information so I must pay it forward.

[QUOTE=Farape;2834798]Usually I hang out more in Soi Cowboy, but had a different hotel during this visit so hit on Nana Plaza this time around:
My take on the Gogo's:
Spankey's: Most action, funny shows and chatty / vibrant talent. Not too pushy on the drinks. Big downside is that it is quite dark and therefore you might end up with someone you usually would not pick in your room (as happened to me). But the experience and service was great nevertheless.
Billboard: A lot of interesting talent, but most seem attracted to Asians and young Caucasians, both categories I do not qualify for. Managed to get a fairly good looking and highly active (in the bar) one out for short time. As is often the case, the most active in the bar are the dullest, boring and off-turning ones in the room. That was my experience today.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Been in BKK couple of weeks ago and agree with your selection. Do not have comments on Mandarin because did not visit. Disappointed by Angelwitch and Whiskey something on level 2. The selection available was pretty bad, especially at Angelwitch where they were also pushing for drinks. May be I was just not lucky because I read good comments about these ones too. Between Billboard and Butterflies I preferred the first one.

In SoyCowboy visited Dollhouse, Baccarà, Tilac and others can't remember the names. If I am not wrong just disappointed of Dollhouse, but maybe I have got the wrong lady. Loved Crazy Horse! To the point I barfined the same girl three day in a row.

I understood that many times girls switch between same owner gogos so you might like one gogo a night and not the same one the day after. And I happened to see a girl in a gogo a day and in another one the day after.

Not happy about Thermae, I could not find any one sparking my interest, but may be I just was not in the right mood. I definitely saw very good lookin ones there, but just a few.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Farape;2834798]Spankey's: Most action, funny shows and chatty / vibrant talent. Not too pushy on the drinks. Big downside is that it is quite dark and therefore you might end up with someone you usually would not pick in your room (as happened to me). But the experience and service was great nevertheless.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised you like Spankey's. Thats one we don't hear a lot. The girls had a reputation for being a bit of dicks grabbing people, hitting them with stuff, messing with guys and such, not all unwanted, but if you don't want it, its not the place for you. I've never found the place exciting enough to deal with the girls being stupid.

This place is also not to be confused with Straps (or whatever name it is now) which is a post-op gogo.

[QUOTE=DBrick;2835381]The screenshot is attached.[/QUOTE][URL]https://fiwfans.vip/[/URL]

Try that.

After a long day, I jumped on the Green Line, then switched to the blue Line at Mo Chit, and when I stood at my door to open it my key was gone.

OMG. It must have been the my last stop of the day at Lolitas. FMR!

Grab cab. 45 minutes later, I walk up to Lolitas where they are in a nervous frenzy because they found my key. Had it on a platter they did and they refused any money for finding and returning.

BTW I had a excellent much from a presentable one.

And they are honest to boot.

Next time I will avoid the Black Hash Rosin before dropping my drawers.

Chan Chulupas schoolgirl was out with bunny ears. Scary.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2835612]Instead of [URL]fiwfans.com[/URL], try fiwfans.vip. My devices all automatically redirect to ".vip".[/QUOTE]Thank you so much, Vip works.

Hey mongers, I'll be in Bangkok for 3 days (19-22 July) for relaxation and mongering. Anyone up for a drink, more the merrier, 1st round on me. Staying at the marriott at surawongse. Will visit MP's only and others for nuru / soapies. And ST hotels. Any recommendations, most appreciated. Happy to entertain high end / beautiful indies only at my place. Planning to do 2-3 rounds daily if I can manage, mongering budget is 8000 baht / day and 5000 for drinks / dinner.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2835967]Hey mongers, I'll be in Bangkok for 3 days (19-22 July) for relaxation and mongering. Anyone up for a drink, more the merrier, 1st round on me. Staying at the marriott at surawongse. Will visit MP's only and others for nuru / soapies. And ST hotels. Any recommendations, most appreciated. Happy to entertain high end / beautiful indies only at my place. Planning to do 2-3 rounds daily if I can manage, mongering budget is 8000 baht / day and 5000 for drinks / dinner.[/QUOTE]8,000 a day Monger Money.

Say 3 x is 2,600 baht per. You know that famous nana BTS schoolgirl, I hope you consider that High End. Hahaha and NO offense.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2833965]There also didn't seem to be any clear rationale for the different prices, definitely it seemed to us that some of the prettiest girls were priced lower than some of the less pretty girls. Everything is pretty set 90 minute session, including a wash and then jacuzz soaping, including a BBBJ, then happy ending in bed followed by a massage. Pretty great.[/QUOTE]Great reports all over.

I have not been to Maria, but I suspect the rationale is pretty clear to the typical Thai monger, whose tastes fortunately differs from yours and probably mine.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2833743]Great to see Old Nyezhov back in town. He's been there, done that and bought the t-shirt. And he tells it like it is. Looking forward to more reports.

Bunky[/QUOTE]LOL. Me too. One of the few remaining experienced BKK hands still posting it seems.

Thanks GrapeMan. Fully agree that this place is not for everyone. First of all it is a bit dark, so the beauty may be deceiving. Then the gals are more active than in many other joints, I. E. , they do know where your Johnny is and they do like to check him (and other private parts) out. They also like to spank you with a soft piece of rubber, yes. But it is all fun, and if you do not want to indulge in this fun they will quickly stop. A benefit is their shows a) on stage and b) in the shower (only visible if you sit on the left side after entering the place). In summary for me it is more fun here than in many Rainbow bars where the gals just stand bored on the stage and the interaction is limited, but I still prefer the Soi Cowboy, maybe because the familiarity to me.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2835663]I'm surprised you like Spankey's. Thats one we don't hear a lot. The girls had a reputation for being a bit of dicks grabbing people, hitting them with stuff, messing with guys and such, not all unwanted, but if you don't want it, its not the place for you. I've never found the place exciting enough to deal with the girls being stupid.

This place is also not to be confused with Straps (or whatever name it is now) which is a post-op gogo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2836186]LOL. Me too. One of the few remaining experienced BKK hands still posting it seems.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words.

So Sunday, after a serious steak and smoke sesh at my homeys condo, I took a short Grab to Satans playground. Had the driver drop me at Asoke where I meandered down to Thermae.

Right after the Asoke statiion stairs was one of the hottedst real female street pros I have ever seen. So hot that I even turned around a block later to review, and she was gone. Fabulous.

There were some extrmelely slinky African girls walking between Soi 5 ish and T21. I saw one that even tempted me.

Thermae was light on quality so I chit chatted with the Staff. I got there areound 10:30. Before I left, I took my hitter (already loaded) and sucked down JUST A TOUCH of Satans Tar (Nepalese Hash Rosin) to prime me for the next phase. Always a chance you may see me there on the steps playning Summer of Love 1968. Say Hi. Match though, OK?

Sufficiently revivived, off to Nana!

African dude whispers to me near Margarita Storm: Heelo sir, can I help you?" he he he No Dude, does it look like I need fucking help? I'm from the USA, where you from? Nigeria? How the fuck do you think you can help me then? Its more likely that I can help you. "O yes sir, can you help me".

Insert face plant emoji.

Right past Storm, see young cop talking to African. See alot of them moving around and not in their usual spaces. Must be a bit of pressure.

Detour down 7/1. The lineups at the mouth houses were pretty bad in my Western jaded eye, but to the non Westerners that never had a BJ in their lives they would be OK. Or if you had 5 beer goggles. Red Fern? Had one decent looking older girl, the rest of the street is trannies or beasts.

Nana: head right down to the smoke section, grab a soft drink and a few puffs of the devils lettuce. I'm basicly brain dead by this time. I get amused by the increaing number of family groups cruising around (less kids), mostly Indians and Japoreanporeans. But its mostly chill, watch some football replay, make kissing and licking gestures to the girls, giggle, act goofy, etc. Now off to upstairs.

All of a sudden I spy a perfect ass attached to a slinky tatooed body and it walks into Bunnies?. Downstairs bar next to Erotica. Never been in there, lets see.

Long story short is that I know the Mamasan, she was up in Rainbow 3 in Feb and she is a great Mamasan. She speaks great English and isn't pushy. Attractive short haired MILF. She told me that Rainbow Group bought it and want to make it a good club. She had 40 girls and a roomful of wild Japanese and the place was rocking. Its fun I must say nthe girls were very energetic.

Quality wise it runs the gamut from beast to blessed. There were at least 4 I would have considered, but took a tiny little drunk thing who was kinda 22 and kind of new. Not great with the mouth but took it like a champ.

And that's your update.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2835136]The girl may have her favored hotel, but be sure that you pay at the front desk, don't give her the room money. I've had times where she wanted to skip the front desk and take me to a used room, perhaps her room or a friend's room. I've paid everything from 250 baht to 600 baht, most are about 300 baht. In March I had a couple times where multiple ST hotels have been full. No ST hotel has ever requested a passport from me.

Cowboy area. I haven't found a good one.

Thermae area. I haven't found a good one.

Soi 7/1 - Atlas is on the left as you walk into the Soi. That is about as good of a ST hotel as I've had.

Soi 4 - Almost directly across Soi 4 from Hillary 1 is a small soi. There are at least 3 ST hotels on that soi, probably more. In my experience, one a ways into that soi on the left has been the best, I don't remember the name..[/QUOTE]Thanks HorseTrader.

Usually I don't worry about hotel as I book right near the middle of those 3 areas. However, time sucks and job / salary got demoted; having to pay more for airfare to Bangkok.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2833965]

The night was something different. Went to Maria Massage. Incredible! We got there just 20 minutes too late, apparently several groups of guys arrived just before us. So the girls were getting picked right and left. But it was still amazing. I did a rough count and it was close to 100 of all pretty girls. The ugliest would be one of the top of what you'd see at Nana or Soi Cowboy. It was a little overwhelming, deciding how to choose. .[/QUOTE]What is the sweet spot to get the best choice at these soapies and also beat the monger traffic? I remember going to Lord's about 7-8 ish and there was a decent selection but is that too early?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2835136] *originalpost edited for legnth*

Soi 4 - Almost directly across Soi 4 from Hillary 1 is a small soi. There are at least 3 ST hotels on that soi, probably more. In my experience, one a ways into that soi on the left has been the best, I don't remember the name.

In my experience, the girls tend to favor going to my nice hotel over a grungy ST hotel, even if some walking is necessary.[/QUOTE]I don't take itinerant pay for play girls to my condo, so when I actually did a gogo girl a few days ago, I used one of those ST places on the Soi across the street from Hillary 1. I think it was the Rose and is the first one on the left. Theres a 7-11 on the corner and the Soi is an infamous ladyboy rookery so have your date hold your hand tight. If you are a newby and unsure of your date, you can get addional evidence depending upon how the ladyboys react: greeting their kin and ignoring their genetic superiors. There were at least 7 hanging when my girl took me there, and if you haven't been to Bangkok before, that area may be a bit intimidating.

The room was tres shabby, but clean, 300/ HR. Not my first choice, but hey, Nana ST was filled and I wasnt in the mood for exploration.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2836281]Thanks for the kind words.

So Sunday, after a serious steak and smoke sesh at my homeys condo, I took a short Grab to Satans playground. Had the driver drop me at Asoke where I meandered down to Thermae.

Right after the Asoke statiion stairs was one of the hottedst real female street pros I have ever seen. So hot that I even turned around a block later to review, and she was gone. Fabulous.

There were some extrmelely slinky African girls walking between Soi 5 ish and T21. I saw one that even tempted me.

Thermae was light on quality so I chit chatted with the Staff. I got there areound 10:30. Before I left, I took my hitter (already loaded) and sucked down JUST A TOUCH of Satans Tar (Nepalese Hash Rosin) to prime me for the next phase. Always a chance you may see me there on the steps playning Summer of Love 1968. Say Hi. Match though, OK?

Sufficiently revivived, off to Nana!

African dude whispers to me near Margarita Storm: Heelo sir, can I help you?" he he he No Dude, does it look like I need fucking help? I'm from the USA, where you from? Nigeria? How the fuck do you think you can help me then? Its more likely that I can help you. "O yes sir, can you help me".

Insert face plant emoji.

Right past Storm, see young cop talking to African. See alot of them moving around and not in their usual spaces. Must be a bit of pressure.

Detour down 7/1. The lineups at the mouth houses were pretty bad in my Western jaded eye, but to the non Westerners that never had a BJ in their lives they would be OK. Or if you had 5 beer goggles. Red Fern? Had one decent looking older girl, the rest of the street is trannies or beasts.

Nana: head right down to the smoke section, grab a soft drink and a few puffs of the devils lettuce. I'm basicly brain dead by this time. I get amused by the increaing number of family groups cruising around (less kids), mostly Indians and Japoreanporeans. But its mostly chill, watch some football replay, make kissing and licking gestures to the girls, giggle, act goofy, etc. Now off to upstairs.

All of a sudden I spy a perfect ass attached to a slinky tatooed body and it walks into Bunnies?. Downstairs bar next to Erotica. Never been in there, lets see.

Long story short is that I know the Mamasan, she was up in Rainbow 3 in Feb and she is a great Mamasan. She speaks great English and isn't pushy. Attractive short haired MILF. She told me that Rainbow Group bought it and want to make it a good club. She had 40 girls and a roomful of wild Japanese and the place was rocking. Its fun I must say nthe girls were very energetic.

Quality wise it runs the gamut from beast to blessed. There were at least 4 I would have considered, but took a tiny little drunk thing who was kinda 22 and kind of new. Not great with the mouth but took it like a champ.

And that's your update.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report.

You did not provide much detail about the level of service you got from the Bunnies girl or anything about the overal cost. But on the issue of the "great mamasan" there would you say the mamasan steered you to the girl or her to you based on her knowledge of what you want in a session along with an effort to prevent you from getting ripped off on costs?

For me, a "great mamasan" steers me toward attractive girls who she knows will be up for a no hurry, no hassle DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP with me because she knows that is what I want and for a reasonable cost. That is well worth a Ladydrink or 100 baht tip, her choice, to the mamasan.

There are a couple of mamasans in Bangkok gogo bars who know me and their girls well enough to work with me on that. But most mamasans aren't worth shit.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2836281]
Detour down 7/1. The lineups at the mouth houses were pretty bad in my Western jaded eye, but to the non Westerners that never had a BJ in their lives they would be OK. Or if you had 5 beer goggles. Red Fern? Had one decent looking older girl, the rest of the street is trannies or beasts.

[/QUOTE]Agree with that. I walked past all those other bars to Wood bar yesterday. My target was Wood bar, but could not see anyone half-attractive on the way there either.

Almost walked out of Wood bar, but fortunately the last woman to sit down in the lineup would do for me. Not someone I'd fuck, but worth the 800 baht to relax with a BJ.

Well, I am looking at beautiful high end indies / chicks that are not getting banged or barfined 3-4 times a day. Thats a No for me. Looking for beautiful bodies and faces and younger tight lips if you know what I mean. If you have anything to add please do.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2836147]8,000 a day Monger Money.

Say 3 x is 2,600 baht per. You know that famous nana BTS schoolgirl, I hope you consider that High End. Hahaha and NO offense.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2836447]Thanks for the report.

You did not provide much detail about the level of service you got from the Bunnies girl or anything about the overal cost. But on the issue of the "great mamasan" there would you say the mamasan steered you to the girl or her to you based on her knowledge of what you want in a session along with an effort to prevent you from getting ripped off on costs?

For me, a "great mamasan" steers me toward attractive girls who she knows will be up for a no hurry, no hassle DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP with me because she knows that is what I want and for a reasonable cost. That is well worth a Ladydrink or 100 baht tip, her choice, to the mamasan.

There are a couple of mamasans in Bangkok gogo bars who know me and their girls well enough to work with me on that. But most mamasans aren't worth shit.[/QUOTE]The reason I don't provide details is because they don't matter. My evaluation of the girls look and performance is YMMV. Cost was the usual 3 K plus 1 K barfine. She was OK, nothing memorable to me, but she served her purpose.

By great Mamasan I mean she is friendly and fun, speaks great English, and never lets me choose a non barfine girl. I haven't needed her for much else to date. If I do, Ill report. Its nice to have a mamasan that is a decent human being though as opposed to some of the nasty greedy bints in some places.

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2836538]Hey Everyone,

I was hoping someone give me some update of Uzbek or Russian freelancer pick up spot? It use to be Mixx, Insanity before. Has anyone been any disco for pick up Uzbek or Russian lady?[/QUOTE]I've been asking the same question for a while with no response.

Yes, I could go to Mixx myself. But to schlep down there on an if come doesn't make it for me. But if someone is willing to pay my Grab and admission, I will put down the bong and hors d'ouevres and go to investigate. Let me know, I'm heading to Siem Reap soon.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2836500]Well, I am looking at beautiful high end indies / chicks that are not getting banged or barfined 3-4 times a day. Thats a No for me. Looking for beautiful bodies and faces and younger tight lips if you know what I mean. If you have anything to add please do.[/QUOTE]I shall add: That supermodel you are shelling out 15 K for was slurping her Thai boyfriend in the morning and banging three guys like you before 6 pm. So your dream is already shattered, that angelic face and beautiful body is a *gasp* hooker that for the right price will drop to her knees behind a dumpster on her way to meet you.

And before she sees you, she will wash it up and it will be all tight and purty for you.

Now that we have got that settled, I would also note that I have seen perfect bodies on the streets, and every now and then, a beautiful face (to my eyes). And what's beautiful to you anyway?

Sorry to inject reality but if you stick to your self imposed restriction, you will end up drunk and wanking.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2836500]Well, I am looking at beautiful high end indies / chicks that are not getting banged or barfined 3-4 times a day. Thats a No for me. Looking for beautiful bodies and faces and younger tight lips if you know what I mean. If you have anything to add please do.[/QUOTE]Up your budget. Bro.

Bro not looking to bang models or super hot chicks. My idea was not to fuck street hookers. 10 k now.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2836579]Up your budget. Bro.[/QUOTE]

Nyezhov bro, not looking to bang super hot chicks or supermodels. Just avoiding run of the mill street chicks. A nice decent girl who is not fucking on a daily basis. In my experience a lot of girls don't want to call themselves hookers but will sleep for money. Aiming for them honestly because they are not so pro IMHO. I don't mind going up the pyramid but aint aiming for the top. I'll visit nice clubs or bars order a bottle of Chivas and pick up chicks, budget is 8 k which should suffice and if not then I'll raise it to 10 k. But that should not happen in the first place. I make frequent trips and there are times I get them for free, but will slip in a $100 bill in their pocket out of generosity. Lets hope I am correct. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2836567]I've been asking the same question for a while with no response.

Yes, I could go to Mixx myself. But to schlep down there on an if come doesn't make it for me. But if someone is willing to pay my Grab and admission, I will put down the bong and hors d'ouevres and go to investigate. Let me know, I'm heading to Siem Reap soon.

I shall add: That supermodel you are shelling out 15 K for was slurping her Thai boyfriend in the morning and banging three guys like you before 6 pm. So your dream is already shattered, that angelic face and beautiful body is a *gasp* hooker that for the right price will drop to her knees behind a dumpster on her way to meet you.

And before she sees you, she will wash it up and it will be all tight and purty for you.

Now that we have got that settled, I would also note that I have seen perfect bodies on the streets, and every now and then, a beautiful face (to my eyes). And what's beautiful to you anyway?

Sorry to inject reality but if you stick to your self imposed restriction, you will end up drunk and wanking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2671507]I feel like I've found the perfect balance between low prices and GFE sessions. And that's FiwFans.

After my not so great experience last time, I was "scolded" by another member who had given me advice on how to properly search for a good provider on Fiw. Mainly, to read through the reviews from top posters, find girls with a decent number and that are highly rated, and make sure there aren't any disparaging comments when reading between the lines.

[B]Difficulties on fly first try[/B]

My first session was bad because I didn't do this. But trying to search this way was very cumbersome. Lots of the top reviewers will review girls in a specific area, probably close to where they live. I didn't feel like taking a 30-40 minute (each way) motorbike ride to and from the lady's location. I also found lots of ads were expired. So I just found a provider that was relatively close (5 min via motorbike) and 3 reviews.

After posting my disappointing experience, an ISG veteran reached out and persisted I give it another try. This time, really heed his advice on visiting a frequent reviewer's suggested girls.
[B]FiwFans redemption[/B]

So following Breadman's advice, I sat back down in front of my computer and started going through frequent reviewers posts. The first few had reviews that were over 30 minutes away (via motorbike).

[/QUOTE]


Brothers, it's a new world indeed. Today I tried fiwfans for the first time ([URL]https://fiwfans.vip/sideline/406rae5cole7fky4p[/URL]). She was my first choice based on photo, and subsequently I skimmed through the reviews on her page, noted they all seemed good, including by one reviewer who has many reviews (though they could all be fake for all I know, I did not investigate if the reviewer is really reputable or not).

Maybe I was lucky, but the whole process from my first line message to the handler till I left was extremely smooth with no racism. The girl looked like in the pictures, a tad less photoshopped in real life, but nothing to complain about.

Once I had arrived, I messaged the agent to tell him I was there as agreed. A few minutes later he asked me to send a pic of the hotel / lobby, which I did. A few minutes after that he sent me the room number and told me I could go up and knock on the door. The girl from the picture opened the door, asked me if I was ok with her. I nodded my consent, paid her the money (you pay the girl first here), took of my clothes and then we both entered the shower where she washed me.

Then continued a pleasant encounter, starting with a more than decent BJ, and sex in various positions. A good GFE.

After living in Thailand previously I've become allergic to bargirls and their inane banter and annoying voices, not to mention that I'd pay to fuck less than 1/100 of the bargirls I see, and fuck for free (which was a hobby of mine before, so I'm not just saying that) max 10/100.

The girls on Fiwfans are what I guess the thai monger would fuck: pleasant, demure, mostly light skinned, young girls with a soft personality and voice.
I bantered a bit with the girl while getting dressed about the number of customers per day. She said it varied, but for instance yesterday, she had two. Sometimes she had many, sometimes not many.

One monger said he moved in at one of the hotels the girls are working, which is a funny idea, but not necessary with how cheap Bangkok taxis / grab is. I stay in the farang Sukhumvit slum myself, and a taxi ride to Thong Lo where this particular hotel is at was about 15 minutes and 49 baht (60 with the tip). I. e. Less than 2 USD. The girl herself was 1300 baht (40 USD) for 40 minutes.

I could say that on a scale of 1-10, if this girl is an 8, the typical bargirl would be a 2 too me, and cost more.

They require you sent them a scan of your passport. I'm not a stickler for data protection but I'm not comfortable with this.

[QUOTE=XXL;2836753]They require you sent them a scan of your passport. I'm not a stickler for data protection but I'm not comfortable with this.[/QUOTE]Price seems quite low. 1st thing that comes to mind is you come work for me as Maid or Bank teller and you will make a killing. Then 1st customer gets Buck Nekkid. You know gnome saying.

Math. Does girl get 300 and handlers 1,000. Why a split like that- if my above scenario is right girl owes Big money.

Could I be Dead wrong. Yes. Hahaha.

Math. 2 Barfines at Rainbow is 6,000 in her pockets. Nice math. Her current deal. 1,300 per session and who knows what she gets.

[QUOTE=XXL;2836753]They require you sent them a scan of your passport. I'm not a stickler for data protection but I'm not comfortable with this.[/QUOTE]Been using the site since its creation and its predecessor as well and I've never been asked for a scan of my passport by either. What agent asked you?
If you are trying to register, make sure you are trying as a customer not as a provider.

Hi XXL,

In the present context of scams and scandals linked to data breach, I find this business model unsustainable LOL.

Victor.

[QUOTE=XXL;2836753]They require you sent them a scan of your passport. I'm not a stickler for data protection but I'm not comfortable with this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2836706]Nyezhov bro, not looking to bang super hot chicks or supermodels. Just avoiding run of the mill street chicks. A nice decent girl who is not fucking on a daily basis. In my experience a lot of girls don't want to call themselves hookers but will sleep for money. Aiming for them honestly because they are not so pro IMHO. I don't mind going up the pyramid but aint aiming for the top. I'll visit nice clubs or bars order a bottle of Chivas and pick up chicks, budget is 8 k which should suffice and if not then I'll raise it to 10 k. But that should not happen in the first place. I make frequent trips and there are times I get them for free, but will slip in a $100 bill in their pocket out of generosity. Lets hope I am correct. Cheers.[/QUOTE]1. If you make frequent trips and get it for free, why ask us for advice.

2. Now you have dropped your specs from "beautiful faces and bodies" to avoiding "run of the mill street chicks" to "A nice decent girl who is not fucking on a daily basis". How are you going to find one? Do you speak Thai? Are you going to be with them 24/7? If they will fuck you for money, they will fuck anybody.

3. What nice clubs are you planning to visit? The fancy Thai ones down on Thong Lor? You speak Thai right and have tons of money? Maybe the clubs on Soi 11, where the girls are virtually all pros?

4. Budget of 8-10 K to go to a non existent nice club to meet nice girls and drink a bottle of Chivas. That bottle should set you back 5 K in a nice club. Looks like your budget just took a hit.

Give up while you are ahead.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2836742]Brothers, it's a new world indeed. Today I tried fiwfans for the first time ([URL]https://fiwfans.vip/sideline/406rae5cole7fky4p[/URL]). She was my first choice based on photo, and subsequently I skimmed through the reviews on her page, noted they all seemed good, including by one reviewer who has many reviews (though they could all be fake for all I know, I did not investigate if the reviewer is really reputable or not).

Maybe I was lucky, but the whole process from my first line message to the handler till I left was extremely smooth with no racism. The girl looked like in the pictures, a tad less photoshopped in real life, but nothing to complain about.

Once I had arrived, I messaged the agent to tell him I was there as agreed. A few minutes later he asked me to send a pic of the hotel / lobby, which I did. A few minutes after that he sent me the room number and told me I could go up and knock on the door. The girl from the picture opened the door, asked me if I was ok with her. I nodded my consent, paid her the money (you pay the girl first here), took of my clothes and then we both entered the shower where she washed me.[/QUOTE]My problem with Fiwi is the same problem I have with Foodpanda: too much selection. I spend hours looking at Food and get so stressed from looking that I make a bologna sandwich and go to bed.

I have enough angst just finding a live one.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2836807]My problem with Fiwi is the same problem I have with Foodpanda: too much selection. I spend hours looking at Food and get so stressed from looking that I make a bologna sandwich and go to bed.

I have enough angst just finding a live one.[/QUOTE]Just go with the one I mentioned in my post then. I think you will like her. Hotel is in Thong Lo, Suk 55.

Feel free to message me if you want any more details.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2836807]My problem with Fiwi is the same problem I have with Foodpanda: too much selection. I spend hours looking at Food and get so stressed from looking that I make a bologna sandwich and go to bed.

I have enough angst just finding a live one.[/QUOTE]LOL. It certainly is part of it. But if you join some of the Telegram groups where the local punters put their more lengthy reviews, you'll spend even more time. But the information is key.

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2836538]Hey Everyone,

I was hoping someone give me some update of Uzbek or Russian freelancer pick up spot? It use to be Mixx, Insanity before. Has anyone been any disco for pick up Uzbek or Russian lady?[/QUOTE]Why on earth would I want to pay to bang a Russian in Bangkok? Cold hearted snakes all of them, except my once upon a time Russian-GF.

I'd just as soon be ordering borscht at the local street food cart.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2821987]Hi all,

Just by googling and look up websites, it would appear that a lot of the 'large' soapy places have closed for good, I presume due to the pandemic. Is that true? Hard to get up to date information on the likes of La Belle, Caesar's, Poseidon. Nancy's etc.

Anyone visited them recently, is the scene alive and well and if so what's regarded as the best one to visit these days? I. e places with fishbowls etc.

Any "on the ground" information / advice would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]I am confused too! I don't get it or understand why there are so many old abandoned Asian Sex sites but it has been like that for years at this point. It seems that many bloggers have simply retired after the pandemic or went to another medium like TikTok, WeChat, Telegram, etc. Personally, I've found new sources difficult to sort through especially if you don't speak / read Thai but I can confidently say all if not most of the major soapies have all re-opened from being in Country earlier this year but often smaller facilities with less staff.

It still confuses me why these large MPs would leave up their dead or half-broken websites but they are open. I think the best place to start if you are new to the whole scene is Bangkok Night Life DOT COM and is still relatively up-to-date.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2835395]Worked all day including a dinner meeting, so treated ourselves to Black Caviar. Yes, another high end MP. About a third to almost half as many girls as at Maria's, but all high quality. I'm not a fan of having the girls line the entrance, for me it's just a little too close and I can't catch your breath, but on the other hand, my buddy liked it that way, so different preferences.[/QUOTE]How does Maria compare to places like La Belle or Black Caviar? Is there any real difference or is it just bigger or smaller? Is there any way to get a lineup at of the talent at any of the MPs?

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2835608]
My recommendation is only go to the high end place if you don't have much time to shop around or if you don't want to take the chance of a little sub-par service. The morning time is not great, generally your best selection will be late afternoon to early evening at the regular places. At the high end places, you want to go between 8 and 10.[/QUOTE]This has been my experience as well with the best time to go but I am curious has anyone gone earlier? Was the service or line-up any different?

[QUOTE=DavidSean;2834123]Tried asking in the massage forum but not luck.

Can anyone please let me know if girls at La Belle are open to CIM, COF, DFK? Are these a part of standard services or they charge extra / tip?[/QUOTE]This is good question, I've had one great experiences at La Belle where this has been a thing but sometimes it hasn't.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2836825]Why on earth would I want to pay to bang a Russian in Bangkok? Cold hearted snakes all of them, except my once upon a time Russian-GF.

I'd just as soon be ordering borscht at the local street food cart.[/QUOTE]I had some good experience with some Uzbekistan girl. Russian girls are mostly cold that true. But anyone with any update please post it.

I don't know if its the former or latter with you. Guess you didn't read my first FR, I indicated my drinking budget, I will enjoy and have fun and don't allow anyone to tell me what's good and what's not. Hey did I say have a good day, oh I didn't. Mate have a good day and hope you get laid, it'll change you for the better. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2836805]1. If you make frequent trips and get it for free, why ask us for advice.

2. Now you have dropped your specs from "beautiful faces and bodies" to avoiding "run of the mill street chicks" to "A nice decent girl who is not fucking on a daily basis". How are you going to find one? Do you speak Thai? Are you going to be with them 24/7? If they will fuck you for money, they will fuck anybody.

3. What nice clubs are you planning to visit? The fancy Thai ones down on Thong Lor? You speak Thai right and have tons of money? Maybe the clubs on Soi 11, where the girls are virtually all pros?

4. Budget of 8-10 K to go to a non existent nice club to meet nice girls and drink a bottle of Chivas. That bottle should set you back 5 K in a nice club. Looks like your budget just took a hit.

Give up while you are ahead.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Facebook2;2831212]Anyone ever accidentally CIP of a freelancer who was not on BC? Did she get pregnant? Did she keep it?

Long story short: we connected on a deep level upon meeting that when we finally made it to bed, we never stopped for a condom and I let my primal human instinct take control.

It's been almost 3 weeks and I'm nervous she's pregnant. I'm not worried about STDs because I convinced her to let us both go to a clinic the next morning and get full panel tests. Both came back negative. When I asked her about pregnancy moments after I CIP she told me she's not on BC but not to worry as if she's so sure she won't get pregnant. She's 30 but looks barely 20 so surely fertile. I'm in my early 30's and very fertile.

We've been texting daily and she hasn't hinted at anything.[/QUOTE]So how's the new daddy doing?

Connected at a deep level? LOL. And why on earth not stop at a pharmacy to get the morning after pill on the way to the std clinic?

Oh, and some stuff takes months to show up on the tests, so if the guy she connected with on a deep level a few hours earlier had HIV, you better go test again about now.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2837003]I don't know if its the former or latter with you. Guess you didn't read my first FR, I indicated my drinking budget, I will enjoy and have fun and don't allow anyone to tell me what's good and what's not. Hey did I say have a good day, oh I didn't. Mate have a good day and hope you get laid, it'll change you for the better. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Can't say that I quite understand the import of your post, nor the reference to my confidence level but thanks for wishing me good day. I hope that someday you get to enjoy Thailand without a budget. I know I do.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2836742]...Today I tried fiwfans for the first time [/QUOTE]I love your girl and tried to browse fiwfans. Vip for my September visit (already excited as you see), but as Google translate does not work (shows only the frame), how do you browse the site if English is your only language?

Thanks.

__Y.

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2836973]I had some good experience with some Uzbekistan girl. Russian girls are mostly cold that true. But anyone with any update please post it.[/QUOTE]Uzbeks are generally not considered Russian from an ethnic point of view. About 4/5th of the citizens of Uzbekistan are native Uzbeks with the remainder a conglomerate of several ethnic groups including Tartars, Russians etc. The country has not been part of the former Soviet Union since 1991 so if you do meet someone from here, she is probably not Russian but would gladly pretend they are if a payday is involved.

I find Russian women to be cold, insincere, materialistic, and pretentious. To chase Russian women in Thailand seems to be the height of absurdity.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2837186]...I find Russian women to be cold, insincere, materialistic, and pretentious. To chase Russian women in Thailand seems to be the height of absurdity.[/QUOTE]Thai noodle seafood soup made as spicy as possible is one of my favorite dishes. But so is Peruvian Ceviche. I love borscht too: both hot with meat fat and cold vegetarian variety. I think you understand what I am trying to say. I would not have interfered with you and Werqweq: everyone is entitled to his own opinion and you both made wonderful informative contributions to this board I am grateful for, but I just do not want any BM be discouraged to contribute with real info because of your remarks where I can find those "cold, insincere, materialistic, and pretentious" creatures who speak my language and share some of my cultural experience. BTW, have you talked about poetry, ballet, or theatre with Thai girls? I think you never had any need to, right?

[QUOTE=YuriB;2837178]I love your girl and tried to browse fiwfans. Vip for my September visit (already excited as you see), but as Google translate does not work (shows only the frame), how do you browse the site if English is your only language?

Thanks.

__Y.[/QUOTE]MS Edge browser auto translate works for that website.

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2836973]I had some good experience with some Uzbekistan girl. Russian girls are mostly cold that true. But anyone with any update please post it.[/QUOTE]Where did you find Uzbek girls in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=YuriB;2837206]Thai noodle seafood soup made as spicy as possible is one of my favorite dishes. But so is Peruvian Ceviche. I love borscht too: both hot with meat fat and cold vegetarian variety. I think you understand what I am trying to say. I would not have interfered with you and Werqweq: everyone is entitled to his own opinion and you both made wonderful informative contributions to this board I am grateful for, but I just do not want any BM be discouraged to contribute with real info because of your remarks where I can find those "cold, insincere, materialistic, and pretentious" creatures who speak my language and share some of my cultural experience. BTW, have you talked about poetry, ballet, or theatre with Thai girls? I think you never had any need to, right?[/QUOTE]

Well said. Indeed my remark was meant as a bit of a joke, and I see even the respected Nyezhov has a fancy for them.

Regarding fiwfans translation. Yes, use a browser that auto-translates as Gonz0 said. Myself I use chrome, but in reality the text is almost the same for all of the girls. Price and measurements vary a little, and some girls list the extra price to pay for CIM, COF, or rarely, swallow. Those that don't list, don't accept it, though as everything YMMV once in the room.

I see you've made some contributions to the board too, so feel free to message me if you want any more details. Only reason I don't want to be too specific here is that there are unfortunately some real idiots on this board too, and last thing anyone of us wants is for this goldmine (yes, I will consider it that if your other choices are worn out bargirls or super-expensive gentleman's club / high-end soapy girls) to be run over by droves of uncultured foreigners, to the extent that they no longer accept any of us.

I have a booking with another fiwfan girl in an hour. This girl only had one review, but my first two choices were not available till much later today, so I'm wondering if I will experience some of the disappointment I've seen others mention they've had. Wish me luck brothers.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2837273]Well said. Indeed my remark was meant as a bit of a joke, and I see even the respected Nyezhov has a fancy for them.

Regarding fiwfans translation. Yes, use a browser that auto-translates as Gonz0 said. Myself I use chrome, but in reality the text is almost the same for all of the girls. Price and measurements vary a little, and some girls list the extra price to pay for CIM, COF, or rarely, swallow. Those that don't list, don't accept it, though as everything YMMV once in the room.

I see you've made some contributions to the board too, so feel free to message me if you want any more details. Only reason I don't want to be too specific here is that there are unfortunately some real idiots on this board too, and last thing anyone of us wants is for this goldmine (yes, I will consider it that if your other choices are worn out bargirls or super-expensive gentleman's club / high-end soapy girls) to be run over by droves of uncultured foreigners, to the extent that they no longer accept any of us.

I have a booking with another fiwfan girl in an hour. This girl only had one review, but my first two choices were not available till much later today, so I'm wondering if I will experience some of the disappointment I've seen others mention they've had. Wish me luck brothers.[/QUOTE]Good Luck Mate. I am looking to come to Thailand in August 13th. Once I visit I will be post some reviews of my findings.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2837273]
I have a booking with another fiwfan girl in an hour. This girl only had one review, but my first two choices were not available till much later today, so I'm wondering if I will experience some of the disappointment I've seen others mention they've had. Wish me luck brothers.[/QUOTE]Well, after that extended lunch break ([URL]https://fiwfans.vip/sideline/406rae8jflk01ycnk[/URL]), it's back to the salt mines again for me.

It was another pleasant experience. This girl was a bit more pudgy, on the verge of pum pui as the Thais say, but in exchange she had some tits and ass.

She was pleasant, less innocent than the previous girl, but that was as expected given she's three years older too. At one point I was wondering if she was going to insert my dick in her pussy sans condom, and I'm about 50/50 on the fence on whether it was something I could have done myself without her complaining, but it did not happen.

Photos matched her well enough. I've seen some say the photos are not of the actual girl, but someone who looks similar enough. I planned to take out my phone with her fiwfans photos on before leaving and compare, but got distracted by the girl herself wanting to taka a photo of us together (without face) at the same time, and I subsequently forgot what I was abou to do. I'm not sure why she wanted the photo, but it was in the same style as some of the photos you see in reviews on the fiwfans site. I thought the photos some reviewers put up on the fiwfans site were taken by the punters themselves, but possibly they are instead taken by the girls themselves and she / her agent will later ask me to review? Don't know. Possibly they run the photos through some software that makes minor alterations to the face for privacy reasons. Will try to remember to compare next time.

[QUOTE=YuriB;2837206]Thai noodle seafood soup made as spicy as possible is one of my favorite dishes. But so is Peruvian Ceviche. I love borscht too: both hot with meat fat and cold vegetarian variety. I think you understand what I am trying to say. I would not have interfered with you and Werqweq: everyone is entitled to his own opinion and you both made wonderful informative contributions to this board I am grateful for, but I just do not want any BM be discouraged to contribute with real info because of your remarks where I can find those "cold, insincere, materialistic, and pretentious" creatures who speak my language and share some of my cultural experience. BTW, have you talked about poetry, ballet, or theatre with Thai girls? I think you never had any need to, right?[/QUOTE]Yuri moi droog, if you know where I can find some of your lissome blonde brethren you just let me know. Russian girls yummmm, even fake Uzbek or Kazakh or Azeri ones.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2837214]Where did you find Uzbek girls in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Well they used to be at the Grace Coffee Shop, Mixx, a hotel I can't remember the name of on Soi Nana, 3rd floor, Mickey DS on Sukhumvit near Soi 5 (ages ago), Shock 39, Insanity.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430647]I see. But that sounds more like you are seeing less attractive women in the scene across the board, not that the most attractive ones are only agreeing to service younger men.

In my observation, it is rare to see the best looking girls (by today's standards) in a go-go bar even approach the youngest, fittest customers in the place, much less walk out with one. Their leaving with men clearly in their 50s or 60s is commonplace.[/QUOTE]A throwaway comment. If the professional girls, (ones with some years of experience), seem to go more easily with the old men I think I have a reason. When I was a young man, several times in an evening was not a problem. But now that I am MUCH older, one good session (maybe a second with an exceptional girl), is usually it. So as a working girl would you take the young guy who might be up to banging you 4 or 5 times or the older gent who will give one good one and say goodnight?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2837302] I've seen some say the photos are not of the actual girl, but someone who looks similar enough. I planned to take out my phone with her fiwfans photos on before leaving and compare, but got distracted by the girl herself wanting to taka a photo of us together (without face) at the same time, and I subsequently forgot what I was abou to do. [/QUOTE]Well scratch that. I just looked again at the photos of first girl and I see she has the same tattoo I remember seeing in person (a Husky dog). So while possible that the photos are sometimes fake (asome older reports do indicate that), in my limited experience so far they are real, with some, but not too much, photoshopping I guess.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2837365]A throwaway comment. If the professional girls, (ones with some years of experience), seem to go more easily with the old men I think I have a reason. When I was a young man, several times in an evening was not a problem. But now that I am MUCH older, one good session (maybe a second with an exceptional girl), is usually it. So as a working girl would you take the young guy who might be up to banging you 4 or 5 times or the older gent who will give one good one and say goodnight?[/QUOTE]Us old guys don't wear it out like a young guy.

Consider: you are a skinny little Thai girl trying to decide between a western 25 year old muscle hunk, or, in my case, and almost 70 old guy who asks if there is a half minute rate and has thousand bahters falling out of his pocket.

I win alwys.

Just back from a short 4 nights trip to BKK & I enjoyed myself very much. My very first time to BKK. A special thanks to forum user "Pulse0101" for many of his helpful posts.

Stayed at a hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 4. Visited Spanky's gogo almost every night and bar fined 2 different girls on separate occasions, 102 massage on Sukhumvit 24 and another MP across it and had a lovely time with a young cutie. Also on one night I picked up a street freelancer for 1000 baht but service was very mediocre. Tons of hookers on Soi 4 during the evenings & nights that some even grab your hand while you walk past.

My favourite gogo bar of all time was Spanky's as the girls there dance topless. I was totally flabbergasted as I have never seen anything like this before in my life from where I come from! Those bouncy boobs as they were shaking to the rhythm of the music had me captivated. The plays they put on were nice & fun to watch. Went into Billboard and there were all clothed, so came out after having a drink.

I'm back to my 9-5 job in boring old India and even now as I type this while at work, I seem to have flashes of those perky boobs bobbing up and down at Spankys!. I just feel like going back again, (leave from work & money permitting), Lets see maybe I'll go back coming November for about 3 nights.

Been here 4 days now and so far no luck in finding a.

Playmate did try Suk on Friday but not much around.

Because of the rain. Did try a massage on Silom but massage was hurried.

From a older person who wanted 3 K for a tip wasn't.

Worth it. Lots have changed since I lived here not much.

Availability and they are sure very snobbish at times. Have a few.

More days here so I will keep trying.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2837389]Visited Spanky's gogo almost every night and bar fined 2 different girls on separate occasions[/QUOTE]Thanks Vicky. Be great if you can share updated barfine and ST / LT rates you paid.

Cheers / Pulse.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2837365]A throwaway comment. If the professional girls, (ones with some years of experience), seem to go more easily with the old men I think I have a reason. When I was a young man, several times in an evening was not a problem. But now that I am MUCH older, one good session (maybe a second with an exceptional girl), is usually it. So as a working girl would you take the young guy who might be up to banging you 4 or 5 times or the older gent who will give one good one and say goodnight?[/QUOTE]That is a factor for many girls. But on the issue of better looking gogo girls more likely to leave with old coots / out of shape schlubs vs handsome muscled specimens, which is what my earlier comment was about, add this to it: the last thing a "star" or "top looker" in a bar wants to invite is the possibility of losing Major Face by being rebuffed by a man in public, in her bar, who fancies himself "out of her league" or who might actually be able to score girls of her level looks-wise and certainly providing better sex than she is used to doling out practically for free here and back home.

Being introduced to such a man by someone else she knows or the mamasan is one thing. But a girl like that approaching such a high risk man on her own in full view of everyone else is another.

Chances are those girls would be more likely to approach men who they are fairly certain in their own minds at least that they will be the best looker and best sex they have ever had. It's much safer and more comforting for them that way.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2837507]Thanks Vicky. Be great if you can share updated barfine and ST / LT rates you paid.

Cheers / Pulse.[/QUOTE]All barfines at Nana are 1000 b, as mentioned umpteen times previously. Girl rates run between 2 and 5 k for ST. Lady drinks are 200.

I believe that applies to all Nana Bars.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2837365]A throwaway comment. If the professional girls, (ones with some years of experience), seem to go more easily with the old men I think I have a reason. When I was a young man, several times in an evening was not a problem. But now that I am MUCH older, one good session (maybe a second with an exceptional girl), is usually it. So as a working girl would you take the young guy who might be up to banging you 4 or 5 times or the older gent who will give one good one and say goodnight?[/QUOTE]What the bargirls say and what they do are two different things.

For them, the 25 year old hunk is worth his weight in gold. So they will fuck him for free in hopes of securing him as a boyfriend. They may pay his expenses, and go with a bunch of old customers to get the baht. Of course, they will tell their customers "I no like young man, they boom-boom too much". Then they go home and fuck all night.

I know one young guy in Pattaya whose Thai girlfriend is working in Malaysia and sending him money.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2837507]Thanks Vicky. Be great if you can share updated barfine and ST / LT rates you paid.

Cheers / Pulse.[/QUOTE]The bar fine at Spankys was 1 K and I paid 3 K to the girl for ST. (never did LT) Drinks are about 180 THB and lady drinks were priced at 200 THB. There is an old hag of a waitress in Spankys who is a bit pushy. She usually stands near the shower cubicle. Keeps giving you dirty looks if you don't order lady drinks or sit too long with one drink.

Rates at 102 Massage on Soi 24 was about 3 K for 1 hour of nuru massage. Be sure to select from the line up wisely as some of them appear to be starfish once in the room. Plenty of other massage shops of similar variety surrounding 102.

Which app is best to pick non pro women in Thailand? Is it Thai friendly or line or both?

Any pubs / bars for expats where one can score with non-pro (American / European) women?

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2837568]The bar fine at Spankys was 1 K and I paid 3 K to the girl for ST. (never did LT) Drinks are about 180 THB and lady drinks were priced at 200 THB. Rates at 102 Massage on Soi 24 was about 3 K for 1 hour of nuru massage.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=MDave1981;2837604]Any pubs / bars for expats where one can score with non-pro (American / European) women?[/QUOTE]Khao San if you are young or charming or rich and you like them under 25.

Fat old and ugly as I am, I annualy manage a young civvie down there, but only Euros when they are drunk. BTW, one of the reasons I like Siem Reap are the hordes of Euro girls in a far smaller area.

[QUOTE=MDave1981;2837604]Any pubs / bars for expats where one can score with non-pro (American / European) women?[/QUOTE]You want to fuck an American woman in Bangkok? Are you crazy? .

Hi all,

Sorry for what might seem a stupid question, but based on a few recent reports on experiences in the High end Soapies like Maria's, Poseidon etc I now have my doubts, if anyone in the know has a moment to clarify.

I assumed that the main feature in the high-end soapies is that you get lathered up with soap in the shower or bath and then have a good frolic on a inflatable mat on the floor covered in soap?

However on the recent reports posted here, it sounds like they just offer a pretty standard massage / FS service very similar to the run of the mill "oily" massage shops on Sukhumvit road and the likes of Soi33 etc etc.

If that's the case, it doesn't really sound if it's worth the extra expense and time these days, especially if you only have a short time in Bangkok?

Am I understanding correctly what they offer these days?

Thanks,

P.

[QUOTE=MDave1981;2837604]Any pubs / bars for expats where one can score with non-pro (American / European) women?[/QUOTE]Khaosan road maybe?

I just started using TF to match with women. Will be in thailand next week. Any dos & donts and what's the best way to approach it? Do we ask up front if money is required?

By mistake I post this initially in a wrong thread.

Arriving next month in Bangkok, in the first night I plan to have a LT option. Staying around Sukhumvit for girls in their twenties, should I assume as current LT prices 3-4 K for street walkers around Nana, 5-6 K for Thermae and overall 8-9 K for a Go-Go option? Is there any other alternative I should consider not apart from online options ? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2837895]By mistake I post this initially in a wrong thread.

Arriving next month in Bangkok, in the first night I plan to have a LT option. Staying around Sukhumvit for girls in their twenties, should I assume as current LT prices 3-4 K for street walkers around Nana, 5-6 K for Thermae and overall 8-9 K for a Go-Go option? Is there any other alternative I should consider not apart from online options ? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You aren't going to get long time for those prices.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2837710]Khao San if you are young or charming or rich and you like them under 25.

Fat old and ugly as I am, I annualy manage a young civvie down there, but only Euros when they are drunk. BTW, one of the reasons I like Siem Reap are the hordes of Euro girls in a far smaller area.[/QUOTE]How old were the Euro girls? How much did you pay them? From what country? How would you rate their looks? Did they go to the bar expecting to have sex for money?

[QUOTE=PgReal;2837824]Hi all,

Sorry for what might seem a stupid question, but based on a few recent reports on experiences in the High end Soapies like Maria's, Poseidon etc I now have my doubts, if anyone in the know has a moment to clarify.

I assumed that the main feature in the high-end soapies is that you get lathered up with soap in the shower or bath and then have a good frolic on a inflatable mat on the floor covered in soap?

However on the recent reports posted here, it sounds like they just offer a pretty standard massage / FS service very similar to the run of the mill "oily" massage shops on Sukhumvit road and the likes of Soi33 etc etc.

If that's the case, it doesn't really sound if it's worth the extra expense and time these days, especially if you only have a short time in Bangkok?

Am I understanding correctly what they offer these days?

Thanks,

P.[/QUOTE]Tutorial on Pricing.

High end means on avg the Girls are better looking.

How much should I expect to spend to have a girl for a night.

And possibly massage from her.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Vitold;2837775]You want to fuck an American woman in Bangkok? Are you crazy? .[/QUOTE]Depends on how long you have been here and variety can be the spice of life. 555.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2837824]Hi all,

Sorry for what might seem a stupid question, but based on a few recent reports on experiences in the High end Soapies like Maria's, Poseidon etc I now have my doubts, if anyone in the know has a moment to clarify.

I assumed that the main feature in the high-end soapies is that you get lathered up with soap in the shower or bath and then have a good frolic on a inflatable mat on the floor covered in soap?

However on the recent reports posted here, it sounds like they just offer a pretty standard massage / FS service very similar to the run of the mill "oily" massage shops on Sukhumvit road and the likes of Soi33 etc etc.

If that's the case, it doesn't really sound if it's worth the extra expense and time these days, especially if you only have a short time in Bangkok?

Am I understanding correctly what they offer these days?

Thanks,

P.[/QUOTE]The difference is in who gives the "massage". A hot, young girl / woman, probably without kids, or a mother of three, long past her prime.

[QUOTE=TConor;2837915]Depends on how long you have been here and variety can be the spice of life. 555.[/QUOTE]I did an American girl a few years back when I was living in Thonburi, she needed money and was superb!

Hey guys. Two questions:

1. Where to go during afternoon to find the best selection of ladies?

2. If you are into the young look, 18+, are there any establishments that cater such services? (Legal age of course).

I have a new job that takes me around southeast asia on a weekly basis so will be able to provide good reviews soon!

So my Indian passport expires on the 24th of June 2024. That being said the last six months validity of this passport starts from December 24th 2023. Will I be able to travel on this passport to Thailand for about 4 to 5 days & return back to India sometime around the last week of November 2023?

Just don't want to run into problems on check in / immigration both in India & Thailand.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2837909]Tutorial on Pricing.

High end means on avg the Girls are better looking.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Good to know.

P.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2837389]Just back from a short 4 nights trip to BKK & I enjoyed myself very much. My very first time to BKK. A special thanks to forum user "Pulse0101" for many of his helpful posts.

Stayed at a hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 4. Visited Spanky's gogo almost every night and bar fined 2 different girls on separate occasions, 102 massage on Sukhumvit 24 and another MP across it and had a lovely time with a young cutie. Also on one night I picked up a street freelancer for 1000 baht but service was very mediocre. Tons of hookers on Soi 4 during the evenings & nights that some even grab your hand while you walk past.

My favourite gogo bar of all time was Spanky's as the girls there dance topless. I was totally flabbergasted as I have never seen anything like this before in my life from where I come from! Those bouncy boobs as they were shaking to the rhythm of the music had me captivated. The plays they put on were nice & fun to watch. Went into Billboard and there were all clothed, so came out after having a drink.

I'm back to my 9-5 job in boring old India and even now as I type this while at work, I seem to have flashes of those perky boobs bobbing up and down at Spankys!. I just feel like going back again, (leave from work & money permitting), Lets see maybe I'll go back coming November for about 3 nights.[/QUOTE]Also a big thank you to forum users: GrapeMan, Mr Enternational, Nyezhov, & HorseTrader.

On my way back from cinema this late evening I dropped by 7-heaven. There were five women to choose amongst on their ipad and I chose, well, it's been an hour so I no longer remember, except her name was not Noi and her name had four letters in it. According to receptionist she was around 27 yo.

Service was the usual: wash in the sink followed by an average BJ.

Price was 1300 for the regular BJ, and it's still the case that the woman working here, while not exactly hot, are look-wise a step or two above the other bars, with the possible exception of BIT style.
Service is on the other hand a step down in my experience.

New to me was that they added the extra options of COF, at 500 baht extra, and, at least to me bizarrely, cum on boobs for 300 baht extra. While I'm sure there are some who will want to pay the extra 500 for COF now and then, I'm surprised there is a market for paying extra for COB vs CIM.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2838126]New to me was that they added the extra options of COF, at 500 baht extra, and, at least to me bizarrely, cum on boobs for 300 baht extra. While I'm sure there are some who will want to pay the extra 500 for COF now and then, I'm surprised there is a market for paying extra for COB vs CIM.[/QUOTE]Give them a little time to adjust their strategy and I'm sure CIM will soon become extra also.

It sounds like all the bars are closed 8/1-2. Are my first 2 days wasted or will some fun places still be open? Are there any other locations that are more likely to have an active scene on those 2 days?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2837899]You aren't going to get long time for those prices.[/QUOTE]Lont timers tend to be less attractive. Seriously.

I think he can get them for LESS than what he thinks is apopro.

Let's take an Agogo nana girl.

Bar fine 1,000. Girl FEe-4,000-5,000. Seems doable.

Woohoo! Not long to go! Will be back in BKK to complete the rest of my itinerary from last year! Will continue the foodie and massage (non-happy ending) tour during the day and more earthly delights in the evenings.

According to the travel vlogs, there are 3 new nightmarkets to visit and indulge as well as the Yellow Line opening.

Didn't get to go to Chinatown so that's a must this time.

Places of interest would include La Belle soapy, Doki Doki, Aurora 33, and Bamboo. Will decide on Nana Plaza, Thermae and Soi Cowboy when I land there!

Hope to get a few good reports when I'm there!!

[QUOTE=Vitold;2837775]You want to fuck an American woman in Bangkok? Are you crazy? .[/QUOTE]Care to explain why that would be crazy?

I'll play devil's advocate and tell you why it's NOT crazy:

1. Not everyone visiting Bangkok or Thailand is From the US or of caucasian ethnicity.

2. Many Asian / Arab tourists look for non-Asian pussy (not exclusively of course, but for variety and exoticism).

3. Many of us expats like the change a non-Asian girl brings (as long as you pay her to leave that is).

4. Long stay tourists (surprisingly many stay 2-weeks+) may like to have the option to go for something different (as the exception and not the rule).

Going for a non-Asian girl isn't going to be common, but it happens and for a lot of reasons (some I highlighted above).

I'm very curious to read your take on why it would be crazy to partake with a non Asian?

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2837895]By mistake I post this initially in a wrong thread.

Arriving next month in Bangkok, in the first night I plan to have a LT option. Staying around Sukhumvit for girls in their twenties, should I assume as current LT prices 3-4 K for street walkers around Nana, 5-6 K for Thermae and overall 8-9 K for a Go-Go option? Is there any other alternative I should consider not apart from online options ? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The ladies I met at Thermae all refused LT, mentioning they have work in the morning. Maybe they were waiting for me to offer the right price or they just don't like sleeping over.

[QUOTE=Maoser;2837958]Hey guys. Two questions:

1. Where to go during afternoon to find the best selection of ladies?

2. If you are into the young look, 18+, are there any establishments that cater such services? (Legal age of course).

I have a new job that takes me around southeast asia on a weekly basis so will be able to provide good reviews soon![/QUOTE]No place, in reality, speiclizes in the "young look", except perhaps Thaniya which is worthless for you unless you are Japanese. Every gogo has younguns, Thermae has the schoolgirl lookers but there, they are costly, Japanese style.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2837971]So my Indian passport expires on the 24th of June 2024. That being said the last six months validity of this passport starts from December 24th 2023. Will I be able to travel on this passport to Thailand for about 4 to 5 days & return back to India sometime around the last week of November 2023?

Just don't want to run into problems on check in / immigration both in India & Thailand.[/QUOTE]Why would you stress if you have enough time to get a new one to alleviate the stress?

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2838272]The ladies I met at Thermae all refused LT, mentioning they have work in the morning. Maybe they were waiting for me to offer the right price or they just don't like sleeping over.[/QUOTE]JUst keep bumping up the price, altho why you would want LT is beyond me. Better with an early and late ST with two different girls if you are that potent, and I'm not.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2838272]The ladies I met at Thermae all refused LT, mentioning they have work in the morning. Maybe they were waiting for me to offer the right price or they just don't like sleeping over.[/QUOTE]What price did you offer?

I remember the good ol' days when Thermae LT was the same as ST, 2500 baht, as long as she liked being with you. I never ask for LT but these days they all seem to bolt after an hour or two, unless I take them to McDonald's.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2837971]So my Indian passport expires on the 24th of June 2024. That being said the last six months validity of this passport starts from December 24th 2023. Will I be able to travel on this passport to Thailand for about 4 to 5 days & return back to India sometime around the last week of November 2023?[/QUOTE]Yes, no issues.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2838538]What price did you offer?

I remember the good ol' days when Thermae LT was the same as ST, 2500 baht, as long as she liked being with you. I never ask for LT but these days they all seem to bolt after an hour or two, unless I take them to McDonald's.[/QUOTE]Huh? The good old days were the early 00's when they were 500-1000 Baht and the exchange rate was over 40 to the USD.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2838546]Huh? The good old days were the early 00's when they were 500-1000 Baht and the exchange rate was over 40 to the USD.[/QUOTE]O God beam me back.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2838490]
JUst keep bumping up the price, altho why you would want LT is beyond me. Better with an early and late ST with two different girls if you are that potent, and I'm not.[/QUOTE]But then you'd have to get out of bed and go back to the place twice, won't you?
Or do you arrange it there and then, telling girl #2 that you will take girl #1 for short-time now, and that girl #2 should come knocking on your door in three hours? Maybe with your old world charm it is possible, but I can't imagine any others of us having much luck with the latter option. ;-)

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2838538]What price did you offer?

I remember the good ol' days when Thermae LT was the same as ST, 2500 baht, as long as she liked being with you. I never ask for LT but these days they all seem to bolt after an hour or two, unless I take them to McDonald's.[/QUOTE]I didn't bother throwing out a number. Feel like it wuld have to be too extravagant if they said No at the start. Next trip if they say they got a job in the morning, I'll ask how much they make for the day and over that =).

[QUOTE=PgReal;2837824]Hi all,

Sorry for what might seem a stupid question, but based on a few recent reports on experiences in the High end Soapies like Maria's, Poseidon etc I now have my doubts, if anyone in the know has a moment to clarify.

I assumed that the main feature in the high-end soapies is that you get lathered up with soap in the shower or bath and then have a good frolic on a inflatable mat on the floor covered in soap?
[/QUOTE]I've only been a handful of times as a white westerner. My take, they are basically high end brothels and straight up professional. The place isn't just clean, it looks cool, nice furniture, good decor, occasionally artwork with a full bar and maybe a restaurant. The room will often a have a full bed, bath and soapy message. Maybe a TV too if you want to watch a movie and a phone for room service. Think higher end Hilton or Marriott quality. And obviously all the girls look good and you *hopefully* get along well. Probably 5k baht minimum. I found almost everyone attractive.

The downside is that it's not cheap, it's a bit complicated as a westerner and you are kind of taking a gamble. Much of the information online is old and out of date, you have to just go to the club. Once there you basically just pick and go to the room but it can be an amazing experience with the right one. If anyone knows anything else, please share. These places are pretty great.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2838803]I didn't bother throwing out a number. Feel like it wuld have to be too extravagant if they said No at the start. Next trip if they say they got a job in the morning, I'll ask how much they make for the day and over that =).[/QUOTE]Mind of a Bargirl.

I really don't think they have days Jobs if attractive. Gnomesaying.

I've been in the Sukhumvit area for a few weeks now and aside from mongering my primary hobby has been people watching.

In places like Terminal 21 and Benchakitti park one sees several Thai female, Frarang male couples. In Pattaya I would immediately assume that the relationship represents a sex tourist and sex worker on an ST / LT or week long procurement but here I wonder how many of these situations are more conventional non or semi-transactional arrangements?

Many of the Thai women are stunning but sometimes a somewhat plain girl will appear on the arm of a man who would clearly shoot higher if he was spending.

Many farangs here are young, good looking long term expats and it's hard to see them choosing sex workers when they probably could get a civilian.

What do experienced Bangkok board members think of this? What is the breakdown of these parings as far as paid relationships or less transactional romances? 50/50 ? 40/60 ?

The sheer number of couples makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong as all I seem to be able to get is the transactional ST / LT which is unfulfilling to me. I don't really feel like a stud walking around with a girl on my arm who I'm paying for and I feel like there must be some secret sauce that some of these guys are using when I observe the real, genuine chemistry they have with their beautiful dates. I know the point of this site is P4 P but does anyone here have experience in Bangkok with civilians or semi-civilians (if there is such a thing)?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mongoose312;2839074]I've been in the Sukhumvit area for a few weeks now and aside from mongering my primary hobby has been people watching.

In places like Terminal 21 and Benchakitti park one sees several Thai female, Frarang male couples. In Pattaya I would immediately assume that the relationship represents a sex tourist and sex worker on an ST / LT or week long procurement but here I wonder how many of these situations are more conventional non or semi-transactional arrangements?

Many of the Thai women are stunning but sometimes a somewhat plain girl will appear on the arm of a man who would clearly shoot higher if he was spending.

Many farangs here are young, good looking long term expats and it's hard to see them choosing sex workers when they probably could get a civilian.

What do experienced Bangkok board members think of this? What is the breakdown of these parings as far as paid relationships or less transactional romances? 50/50 ? 40/60 ?

The sheer number of couples makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong as all I seem to be able to get is the transactional ST / LT which is unfulfilling to me. I don't really feel like a stud walking around with a girl on my arm who I'm paying for and I feel like there must be some secret sauce that some of these guys are using when I observe the real, genuine chemistry they have with their beautiful dates. I know the point of this site is P4 P but does anyone here have experience in Bangkok with civilians or semi-civilians (if there is such a thing)?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Are you living there or visiting? It makes a difference and really it is no different there than in the west. You will only date prossies if your way of finding a GF is in brothels, working girl websites, dating sites known for whoring, and sugar daddy sites. When I lived in BKK and workign it was easy to get dates with regular ladies. Always had a normal GF and on the side filled my boots with the other ladies.

[QUOTE=Mongoose312;2839074]I've been in the Sukhumvit area for a few weeks now and aside from mongering my primary hobby has been people watching.

In places like Terminal 21 and Benchakitti park one sees several Thai female, Frarang male couples. In Pattaya I would immediately assume that the relationship represents a sex tourist and sex worker on an ST / LT or week long procurement but here I wonder how many of these situations are more conventional non or semi-transactional arrangements?

Many of the Thai women are stunning but sometimes a somewhat plain girl will appear on the arm of a man who would clearly shoot higher if he was spending.

Many farangs here are young, good looking long term expats and it's hard to see them choosing sex workers when they probably could get a civilian.

What do experienced Bangkok board members think of this? What is the breakdown of these parings as far as paid relationships or less transactional romances? 50/50 ? 40/60 ?

The sheer number of couples makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong as all I seem to be able to get is the transactional ST / LT which is unfulfilling to me. I don't really feel like a stud walking around with a girl on my arm who I'm paying for and I feel like there must be some secret sauce that some of these guys are using when I observe the real, genuine chemistry they have with their beautiful dates. I know the point of this site is P4 P but does anyone here have experience in Bangkok with civilians or semi-civilians (if there is such a thing)?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

I lived in Thailand (not Bangkok) before, and after living here I think it's fairly easy for me most us to quickly make a fairly accurate guess regarding what is a regular couple, and what is not. Especially when
the "not" is your average run of the mill bargil.

E.g. today I was running in Benchakitti and of the one or two handful of farang/thai couples I saw, I would only think one of the girls were a ho. I think in Benchakitti and similar places, that's pretty
normal ratio.

In terminal 21, the ratio is quite different, and I see many farangs with their 'ho in tow. At least 3/10 are 'hos I'd guess, though I'm not spending a lot of time in terminal 21, so could be more.

Regarding meeting regular girls, it's like in the west, but on the 1-10 scale, if you're white and normal looking, you can add a point or two for yourself. E.g. today walking towards Benchakitti park up Suk. 21, I saw a rather tall and pretty girl standing outside some large building. I backtracked and chatted with her a bit, exchanged contact info, and maybe yes, maybe no, we will end up in bed together. Just like in the west.
I also saw a trio of girls in Benchakitti once I finished running today, two of who were quite hot, one I'd rate a 9, and her older friend 8 (would be a 9 too if younger). I did not have any luck with them though. :-/ In the west, I'd be batting out of my league with them, especially taking into account I'm at least 20 years older than any girl I find attractive enough to approach and never did look much like Adonis.

Both tinder and thaifriendly works (I've had more than one girl just show up at the condo I'm renting, and I'm still seeing them now and then), but there's also a fair amount of time-wasting 'hos who don't tell me their 'hos until several messages have been exchanged and it's time to meet, which always pisses me off. Obviously I don't want to open the conversation by asking if she's a ho, so I assume she's a regular girl until she indicates otherwise. In fact, I don't ever bring up the question of if she is a 'ho or not. If she is, she will always tell me sooner or later.

Of course I've done my research here and going to hit Billboard and Butterflies. Prob Poseidon for soapie etc. But we also want easy going daytime activity. Playing pool drinking beer and getting a nice BJ. Bucket list is get sucked off in the bar while having my beer. What are your suggestions for best bets here?

P.S. Full mega reports coming up right after. See my Taipei post yesterday for example. Thanks guys!!

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1024-Taipei&p=2838829

[QUOTE=Mongoose312;2839074]I've been in the Sukhumvit area for a few weeks now and aside from mongering my primary hobby has been people watching.

In places like Terminal 21 and Benchakitti park one sees several Thai female, Frarang male couples. In Pattaya I would immediately assume that the relationship represents a sex tourist and sex worker on an ST / LT or week long procurement but here I wonder how many of these situations are more conventional non or semi-transactional arrangements?

Many of the Thai women are stunning but sometimes a somewhat plain girl will appear on the arm of a man who would clearly shoot higher if he was spending.

Many farangs here are young, good looking long term expats and it's hard to see them choosing sex workers when they probably could get a civilian.

What do experienced Bangkok board members think of this? What is the breakdown of these parings as far as paid relationships or less transactional romances? 50/50 ? 40/60 ?

The sheer number of couples makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong as all I seem to be able to get is the transactional ST / LT which is unfulfilling to me. I don't really feel like a stud walking around with a girl on my arm who I'm paying for and I feel like there must be some secret sauce that some of these guys are using when I observe the real, genuine chemistry they have with their beautiful dates. I know the point of this site is P4 P but does anyone here have experience in Bangkok with civilians or semi-civilians (if there is such a thing)?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It really gets down to whether you are looking for sex or a relationship. Both are available, but at different places. The same goes for the girl. Respect goes far in Thai culture.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2839159]

Regarding meeting regular girls, it's like in the west, but on the 1-10 scale, if you're white and normal looking, you can add a point or two for yourself. E.g. today walking towards Benchakitti park up Suk. 21, I saw a rather tall and pretty girl standing outside some large building. I backtracked and chatted with her a bit, exchanged contact info, and maybe yes, maybe no, we will end up in bed together. Just like in the west.
[/QUOTE]I am not so sure that in the west you'the get such a friendly welcome and info exchange if approaching a girl standing somewhere outdoor (what for? Waiting for a friend? A date? A farang to hook up with? Having a break? Waiting for a taxi?) . Especially if there is a significant age difference.

Maybe it all went well because of the Asian attitude. Hence I think you can't compare this with west. Where the girl would have turned her head, looked at you as an inferior human being, feeling harassed etc.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2838777]But then you'd have to get out of bed and go back to the place twice, won't you?
Or do you arrange it there and then, telling girl #2 that you will take girl #1 for short-time now, and that girl #2 should come knocking on your door in three hours? Maybe with your old world charm it is possible, but I can't imagine any others of us having much luck with the latter option. ;-)[/QUOTE]New World, I'm a Yank. And nothing wrong with getting out of bed after girl 1, ya got to get up and pee sometimes don't you. And you can go to different places too.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2839237]I am not so sure that in the west you'the get such a friendly welcome and info exchange if approaching a girl standing somewhere outdoor (what for? Waiting for a friend? A date? A farang to hook up with? Having a break? Waiting for a taxi?) . Especially if there is a significant age difference.

Maybe it all went well because of the Asian attitude. Hence I think you can't compare this with west. Where the girl would have turned her head, looked at you as an inferior human being, feeling harassed etc.[/QUOTE]Waiting for friend (s) to pick her up she said.

I don't get the attitude you say from Western girls. I did approach a beautiful western woman (again, about 20 years younger than me) sitting outside a massage "spa" next to the gym I was about to enter a few days ago. She was indeed completely disinterested, but that was all there was to it.

I attribute much of the warmer welcome to the added one or two points I think us white folks get here (excluding the smelly drunks in the wife-beaters). I have no doubt that if you look like Henry Cavill, the girl you mentioning turning her head away would be all smiles and giggly from the point you said "Hello". Adding a point or two does not make me Henry Cavill, but I guess it raises me slightly above Gollum.

Hopefully the world will be my oyster! However, how much USD would you expect to spend for 7 nights of fun in the city? Looking at some of the reports, seems like a two to three hundred per night is not out of the ordinary. Is that accurate? We are staying near Thermae, and will plan on doing most of the shopping in that area. On an earlier query, it was suggested about 1500 for 20 days, but after seeing bar fines, prices and an a possible trip to Maria, seems like that is a bit on the light side. Thanks for the advice!

Took a walk down to Soi Cowboy yesterday lots of attendants around none peaked my.

Interest most of them seemed not interested or were chasing.

The Koreans or Japanese. Not much has changed since I.

Lived here years ago. Except for the cost of drinks and the.

Bar fine. My perception is that the younger ones are not worth.

The hassle. Walking pass Thermae there were a lot of girls around.

But it's difficult to know lady vs ladyboy. A few approached.

Me but 2 K for a 4 or 5 I passed.

I hope that others have better luck.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2839483]Took a walk down to Soi Cowboy yesterday lots of attendants around none peaked my.

Interest most of them seemed not interested or were chasing.

The Koreans or Japanese. Not much has changed since I.

Lived here years ago. Except for the cost of drinks and the.

Bar fine. My perception is that the younger ones are not worth.

The hassle. Walking pass Thermae there were a lot of girls around.

But it's difficult to know lady vs ladyboy. A few approached.

Me but 2 K for a 4 or 5 I passed.

I hope that others have better luck.[/QUOTE]If you had gone inside thermae, there are some nice selections.

Full report coming but here are some quick thoughts. Three girls day one.

Haven. It was early but 4's and 5's. Pool table dark and toddler running around. Yikes. Left in a hurry. Avoid.

7-Heaven. BJ bar w tablet pictures. Nice attentive girls. Moderately pretty. Great service. 1300 Baht. Recommend.

Billboard and Butterflies. Wow. Some posters had said these are OK. I think they are fucking great. Clearly same owner and format. 30-40 girls in Billboard. All doable and some super pretty girls here. Get a ring side seat at Billboard and the rotating stage. Camel toe, spike heels, and tits for miles. Maybe slightly fewer in Butterflies. Equal quality. We each took a hottie. 4700 including bar fine. Great girls both.

Angelwitch. Checked it out but quality was low. Maybe one or two doable. Rock theme. Wouldn't repeat.

Bunny. Someone said this was good and I agree. Only maybe ten girls but all pretty. Two girls descended on me. One was massaging the fuck out of my dick right in full view of the club. Took a girl from here. 4000 including bar fine. Super time.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2839568]Full report coming but here are some quick thoughts. Three girls day one.

Billboard and Butterflies. Wow. Some posters had said these are OK. I think they are fucking great. Clearly same owner and format. 30-40 girls in Billboard. All doable and some super pretty girls here. Get a ring side seat at Billboard and the rotating stage. Camel toe, spike heels, and tits for miles. Maybe slightly fewer in Butterflies. Equal quality. We each took a hottie. 4700 including bar fine. Great girls both.

Bunny. Someone said this was good and I agree. Only maybe ten girls but all pretty. Two girls descended on me. One was massaging the fuck out of my dick right in full view of the club. Took a girl from here. 4000 including bar fine. Super time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update.

Prices are ST and on the premises?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2839362]Waiting for friend (s) to pick her up she said.

I don't get the attitude you say from Western girls. I did approach a beautiful western woman (again, about 20 years younger than me) sitting outside a massage "spa" next to the gym I was about to enter a few days ago. She was indeed completely disinterested, but that was all there was to it.

I attribute much of the warmer welcome to the added one or two points I think us white folks get here (excluding the smelly drunks in the wife-beaters). I have no doubt that if you look like Henry Cavill, the girl you mentioning turning her head away would be all smiles and giggly from the point you said "Hello". Adding a point or two does not make me Henry Cavill, but I guess it raises me slightly above Gollum.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, being Caucasian gets you farther in Thailand when it comes to the ladies. I'm not Caucasian but that's my opinion based on observations. It's simple, Asian girls love Caucasian dudes.

As far as your Cavill comment, yes, if a girl finds you attractive she'll see you as being confident for approaching her. If she finds she unattractive she'll see you as being a creep.

The above are simple realities of dating and game. But I think most guys are in denial.

[QUOTE=CityHunter77;2839573]Thanks for the update.

Prices are ST and on the premises?[/QUOTE]Yes ST. But not on prem other than BJ bar. The gogos don't have on prem. So takeout to my room.

[QUOTE=LR123;2839411]Hopefully the world will be my oyster! However, how much USD would you expect to spend for 7 nights of fun in the city? Looking at some of the reports, seems like a two to three hundred per night is not out of the ordinary. Is that accurate? We are staying near Thermae, and will plan on doing most of the shopping in that area. On an earlier query, it was suggested about 1500 for 20 days, but after seeing bar fines, prices and an a possible trip to Maria, seems like that is a bit on the light side. Thanks for the advice![/QUOTE]This all depends on what you're doing. Are you getting girls every day or even multiple girls a day? Are you doing high end restaurants? Are you drinking a lot? Are you going to get conned into buying lady drinks at gogos? Are you trying to BF high end girls or low. Are you going to stay at a high end hotel?

You can go to an MP and pay 2000-2500 baht for 2 hours of time. You can get a streetwalker for ST or LT for a variety of prices. You can go to high end clubs or escorts and pay much much more.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2839362]Waiting for friend (s) to pick her up she said.

I don't get the attitude you say from Western girls. I did approach a beautiful western woman (again, about 20 years younger than me) sitting outside a massage "spa" next to the gym I was about to enter a few days ago. She was indeed completely disinterested, but that was all there was to it.

I attribute much of the warmer welcome to the added one or two points I think us white folks get here (excluding the smelly drunks in the wife-beaters). I have no doubt that if you look like Henry Cavill, the girl you mentioning turning her head away would be all smiles and giggly from the point you said "Hello". Adding a point or two does not make me Henry Cavill, but I guess it raises me slightly above Gollum.[/QUOTE]She's a young college girl on vacation in Thailand to get fucked up and going to go drinking with her friends and people she met at the hostel and sees some old guy approach her on the street, yeah she's not interested here or at home man. Nothing unexpected.

Howdy all.

Got a few questions. I've skimmed the last 5 pages and have been keeping up for a bit longer, but I have a few questions that I haven't been able to find an answer for.

Planning a second trip to Pattaya this winter and I want to spend a few days in BKK. I want to go to the massage shops that offer nuru (soapies in Pattaya are meh).

I don't want to spend my whole time in BKK, just a few days, either at the beginning or end of my trip (just depends on when my inbound and outbound flights are tbh).

Here are a couple of places I've bookmarked. Not much, and honestly not entirely sure if I want to go if it means I need to entirely re-learn the lay of the land.

[URL]https://i.imgur.com/cULuPZG.png[/URL]

What's the best way to travel around? 3 KM is a bit far to walk. Are there baht buses or the equivalent here? Is Bangkok as walkable as Central Pattaya? What's there to know about visiting and getting around Bangkok specifically that isn't also applicable to Pattaya?

Much obliged.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2839724]Howdy all.

Got a few questions. I've skimmed the last 5 pages and have been keeping up for a bit longer, but I have a few questions that I haven't been able to find an answer for.

Planning a second trip to Pattaya this winter and I want to spend a few days in BKK. I want to go to the massage shops that offer nuru (soapies in Pattaya are meh).

I don't want to spend my whole time in BKK, just a few days, either at the beginning or end of my trip (just depends on when my inbound and outbound flights are tbh).

Here are a couple of places I've bookmarked. Not much, and honestly not entirely sure if I want to go if it means I need to entirely re-learn the lay of the land.

[URL]https://i.imgur.com/cULuPZG.png[/URL]

What's the best way to travel around? 3 KM is a bit far to walk. Are there baht buses or the equivalent here? Is Bangkok as walkable as Central Pattaya? What's there to know about visiting and getting around Bangkok specifically that isn't also applicable to Pattaya?

Much obliged.[/QUOTE]You don't want to spend a little on a taxi. They are cheap in BKK compared to most of the world. If time were not limited get a BTS card and use it.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2839724]What's the best way to travel around? 3 KM is a bit far to walk.[/QUOTE]I tend to stay at a hotel near a BTS or MRT station. BTS is easier for beginners becaue you can see it from a distance and it takes you to all the lower sukhumvit sights (e.g., Nana, Cowboy, Soi 24, etc.).

Taxi is cheaper than in western country.

Tuktuk is usually less expensive than taxi and they zig-zag through traffic for a faster journey.

[QUOTE=Mongoose312;2839074]I've been in the Sukhumvit area for a few weeks now and aside from mongering my primary hobby has been people watching.

In places like Terminal 21 and Benchakitti park one sees several Thai female, Frarang male couples. In Pattaya I would immediately assume that the relationship represents a sex tourist and sex worker on an ST / LT or week long procurement but here I wonder how many of these situations are more conventional non or semi-transactional arrangements?

Many of the Thai women are stunning but sometimes a somewhat plain girl will appear on the arm of a man who would clearly shoot higher if he was spending.

Many farangs here are young, good looking long term expats and it's hard to see them choosing sex workers when they probably could get a civilian.

What do experienced Bangkok board members think of this? What is the breakdown of these parings as far as paid relationships or less transactional romances? 50/50 ? 40/60 ?

The sheer number of couples makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong as all I seem to be able to get is the transactional ST / LT which is unfulfilling to me. I don't really feel like a stud walking around with a girl on my arm who I'm paying for and I feel like there must be some secret sauce that some of these guys are using when I observe the real, genuine chemistry they have with their beautiful dates. I know the point of this site is P4 P but does anyone here have experience in Bangkok with civilians or semi-civilians (if there is such a thing)?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have been in this forum for sometime but I have not posted a report thus far. Well, this post somehow connected with my latest experience (s), maybe you might have seen me in Terminal 21. LOL. Firstly, I have no Farang looks, average south east asian brown skinned guy from the SF Bay Area, The Silicon Valley as many people call it or know. My work makes me travel to Asia and Europe, while in Asia I try and keep aside a couple of days or more for personal use (in BKK). I have been doing this since 2010 . I almost always stay at the Hyatt Erawan or The Intercontinental and my only place (s) to venture out were the Spasso's bar (for those of you who know it) and the Mixx bar. Outside of that I had a +66 contact who sent me an exclusive WhatsApp menu of just arrived Eastern European ladies. So my 2-4 days BKK trip was alway pretty well packed.

After COVID, I heard Spasso's closed its 'The after 10 pm gig', so I started looking for similar options elsewhere. Unfortunately, I did not find a similar place anywhere in any of the 5 Star Hotels in BKK. I am all ears if I should know something.

I personally don't enjoy the GoGo bars or any of the Soi 11 bars, I seem of enjoy a bit of exclusivity in this area, so my hunt usually revolves around it. I learned last year that Tinder is a place to find potentially exclusive local girls. I spend some time on it and I ended up scheduling few girls. Most of them quoted me 10 k baht to spend the night / day with me. I met a girl 24 years old in July last year, she had a great professional job, very well educated with great English language skills, sounded pretty exclusive to me. She said she doesn't do this but would meet with me to give it a try, I took that with a grain of salt off course. All said and done, I have to admit, I probably had the best sex with her relative to anything I had before. She ended up staying with me the entire 2-3 days I was there. I offered her some 35 k baht, I can't remember. I wasn't carrying cash, so I asked her if I could PayPal her, she suggested I could use Wise.

I saw her again in few weeks while I flying back. We wandered around Terminal 21, various Sois there and also Thong Lor. After that, I came home and been in contact with her ever since on Line. We decided that we should spend more time in BKK together, so we did. I ended up going to BKK for few weeks. As far as the money part, I don't even know how much I have paid so far, may be several hundred of thousands of baht, but I don't really care much because I am looking at this relative to what it would cost me in EU or elsewhere to monger, roughly 2-3 k USD for 18 hours with an escorts, so this is much better deal for me, I am not a FKK frequenter BTW but would rather use escort services like - [URL]https://www.aphrodite-agency.com/en[/URL] in EU. I had / have a good time for sure in BKK and I am still in touch and enjoy the remote GF experience!

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2839724]Howdy all.

Got a few questions. I've skimmed the last 5 pages and have been keeping up for a bit longer, but I have a few questions that I haven't been able to find an answer for.

Planning a second trip to Pattaya this winter and I want to spend a few days in BKK. I want to go to the massage shops that offer nuru (soapies in Pattaya are meh).

I don't want to spend my whole time in BKK, just a few days, either at the beginning or end of my trip (just depends on when my inbound and outbound flights are tbh).

Here are a couple of places I've bookmarked. Not much, and honestly not entirely sure if I want to go if it means I need to entirely re-learn the lay of the land.

[URL]https://i.imgur.com/cULuPZG.png[/URL]

What's the best way to travel around? 3 KM is a bit far to walk. Are there baht buses or the equivalent here? Is Bangkok as walkable as Central Pattaya? What's there to know about visiting and getting around Bangkok specifically that isn't also applicable to Pattaya?

Much obliged.[/QUOTE]There are no baht buses and you will need to entirely re-learn the lay of the land, so unless you have time to that, I'd probably just stay at the place I know already if sex is my main reason for coming.

It took me some weeks to figure out how to move around here. Yes, taxis are cheap, and distances are not great on the map, but do it wrong and you can spend two hours in a taxi and barely move 5 km.
Just getting a taxi from the wrong side of the road can easily add half an hour to your 45 minute trip.

You need to know how to combine the train system with taxis and motorbike taxis. I'm a motorbikerider myself, but I do not at all enjoy using motorbike taxis here, though they are an unfortunate necessity.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2836500]Well, I am looking at beautiful high end indies / chicks that are not getting banged or barfined 3-4 times a day. Thats a No for me. Looking for beautiful bodies and faces and younger tight lips if you know what I mean. If you have anything to add please do.[/QUOTE]Maria's had the best looking girls in my experience. Costs significantly more tho. Ranges from.

$200-600.

So we took a peek in Soi Cowboy since it opens earlier than Billboard say. Wasn't terribly impressed. We prob went in 5-6 places and all girls fully bikinis. Exception was Crazy House which is around the corner to the right at the end. Def worth a visit. Naked pussy on stage and girls are pretty enough. Really nice place to hang. Recommend.

Back at Nana steer clear of Red Dragon. Lots of hot girls but when you agree to laddies drink they bring TWO at 220 each. So you are at 440 Baht without blinking an eye. Didn't like that business practice so we left. But def pretty girls. No issue there.

Billboard just totally rules. Packed with girls and customers and adore the rotating stage. They wore black tonight so the camel toe was not the same. Boo. But still a great time.

Ended up going back to butterflies and staying for a while before grabbing our two same girls from last night and headed out. Rather than just go fuck went to 7-11 and got beer and then ordered some room service and danced and partied in my friends suite. Eventually took my girl to the bedroom and smashed. Really fun time. Def recommend Butterflies and Billboard. One of my new fave destinations worldwide. Right up there with Scandallo in São Paulo for tons of doable pussy in a fun atmosphere.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2839754]I have been in this forum for sometime but I have not posted a report thus far. Well, this post somehow connected with my latest experience (s), maybe you might have seen me in Terminal 21. LOL. Firstly, I have no Farang looks, average south east asian brown skinned guy from the SF Bay Area, The Silicon Valley as many people call it or know. My work makes me travel to Asia and Europe, while in Asia I try and keep aside a couple of days or more for personal use (in BKK). I have been doing this since 2010 . I almost always stay at the Hyatt Erawan or The Intercontinental and my only place (s) to venture out were the Spasso's bar (for those of you who know it) and the Mixx bar. Outside of that I had a +66 contact who sent me an exclusive WhatsApp menu of just arrived Eastern European ladies. So my 2-4 days BKK trip was alway pretty well packed.

After COVID, I heard Spasso's closed its 'The after 10 pm gig', so I started looking for similar options elsewhere. Unfortunately, I did not find a similar place anywhere in any of the 5 Star Hotels in BKK. I am all ears if I should know something.

I personally don't enjoy the GoGo bars or any of the Soi 11 bars, I seem of enjoy a bit of exclusivity in this area, so my hunt usually revolves around it. I learned last year that Tinder is a place to find potentially exclusive local girls. I spend some time on it and I ended up scheduling few girls. Most of them quoted me 10 k baht to spend the night / day with me. I met a girl 24 years old in July last year, she had a great professional job, very well educated with great English language skills, sounded pretty exclusive to me. She said she doesn't do this but would meet with me to give it a try, I took that with a grain of salt off course. All said and done, I have to admit, I probably had the best sex with her relative to anything I had before. She ended up staying with me the entire 2-3 days I was there. I offered her some 35 k baht, I can't remember. I wasn't carrying cash, so I asked her if I could PayPal her, she suggested I could use Wise.

I saw her again in few weeks while I flying back. We wandered around Terminal 21, various Sois there and also Thong Lor. After that, I came home and been in contact with her ever since on Line. We decided that we should spend more time in BKK together, so we did. I ended up going to BKK for few weeks. As far as the money part, I don't even know how much I have paid so far, may be several hundred of thousands of baht, but I don't really care much because I am looking at this relative to what it would cost me in EU or elsewhere to monger, roughly 2-3 k USD for 18 hours with an escorts, so this is much better deal for me, I am not a FKK frequenter BTW but would rather use escort services like - [URL]https://www.aphrodite-agency.com/en[/URL] in EU. I had / have a good time for sure in BKK and I am still in touch and enjoy the remote GF experience![/QUOTE]Are you Indian?

About this great professional job she has. Did you Verify? Odd she can just take off when she wants. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=TConor;2839738]You don't want to spend a little on a taxi. They are cheap in BKK compared to most of the world. If time were not limited get a BTS card and use it.[/QUOTE]Its 3. 4 km approx from Soi Cowboy down to Thermae, then down to 7/1, then across to Nana, then down Soi Nana and over to Soi 8 through the passage and back across the street to Soi 11.

If you take Cowboy out, and start at Thermae you save about a klick. Plenty of goodies in that area, take a walkaround and stop here and there. I'm 67 and do it regularly.

Thanks for the replies. I do not intend to stay very long in BKK, but I think I'll pass. I know Pattaya much better, so I'll get enough tail there. Nunu can wait for another time.

Cheers.

Yes, avoid Red Dragon as they are famous for clipping customers. Stickman has noted this as well. Need to go to Crazy House sometimes. Always forget as it's not directly on Soi Cowboy. I have had fun at the live music venue at corner of the Soi called Kozy Kazy or something similar. They have BMD girls there but think some are take out and many are fun to hang with. Billboard is the best as you note in NEP.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2839784]So we took a peek in Soi Cowboy since it opens earlier than Billboard say. Wasn't terribly impressed. We prob went in 5-6 places and all girls fully bikinis. Exception was Crazy House which is around the corner to the right at the end. Def worth a visit. Naked pussy on stage and girls are pretty enough. Really nice place to hang. Recommend.

Back at Nana steer clear of Red Dragon. Lots of hot girls but when you agree to laddies drink they bring TWO at 220 each. So you are at 440 Baht without blinking an eye. Didn't like that business practice so we left. But def pretty girls. No issue there.

Billboard just totally rules. Packed with girls and customers and adore the rotating stage. They wore black tonight so the camel toe was not the same. Boo. But still a great time.

Ended up going back to butterflies and staying for a while before grabbing our two same girls from last night and headed out. Rather than just go fuck went to 7-11 and got beer and then ordered some room service and danced and partied in my friends suite. Eventually took my girl to the bedroom and smashed. Really fun time. Def recommend Butterflies and Billboard. One of my new fave destinations worldwide. Right up there with Scandallo in So Paulo for tons of doable pussy in a fun atmosphere.[/QUOTE]

So it's not all rainbows and unicorns every night I suppose. Took a cute petite hottie from Billboards but a total bust. She was just not into me and when it feels OFF then I am off. She was on TikTok the entire walk to the hotel. Then we argue CBJ and she won't budge. Tries to condom my limp dick. Just a total disaster. Just wanted her gone. Out 4700 baht. Boo. I guess every rose has its thorns.

Went to Kasalong to rub one out because it's like two blocks away. Yikes. That's divey and run down. 40's lady took me straight up w no choice of girls. And wow it's def not nice facilities at all. Feels dirty and cheap. Managed to give a credible BJ and I shot in her mouth after a few minutes. But def no comparison to 7-Heaven.

Def an off night for me but at least got a shot off!

Piece of advice: 1300 at 7 Heaven is def worth it vs 800 at Kasalong. No comparison in girls and facilities. Like not even same universe.

Fortunately I’m flying a legit 9.5 model (who i was with via Seeking Arrangements in Madrid) to Majorca for three days starting tomorrow. Not even a sex fail and Kasalong can dampen my boner!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2839995]So it's not all rainbows and unicorns every night I suppose. Took a cute petite hottie from Billboards but a total bust. She was just not into me and when it feels OFF then I am off. She was on TikTok the entire walk to the hotel. Then we argue CBJ and she won't budge. Tries to condom my limp dick. Just a total disaster. Just wanted her gone. Out 4700 baht. Boo. I guess every rose has its thorns.

Went to Kasalong to rub one out because it's like two blocks away. Yikes. That's divey and run down. 40's lady took me straight up w no choice of girls. And wow it's def not nice facilities at all. Feels dirty and cheap. Managed to give a credible BJ and I shot in her mouth after a few minutes. But def no comparison to 7-Heaven.

Def an off night for me but at least got a shot off!

Piece of advice: 1300 at 7 Heaven is def worth it vs 800 at Kasalong. No comparison in girls and facilities. Like not even same universe.

Fortunately Im flying a legit 9.5 model (who i was with via Seeking Arrangements in Madrid) to Majorca for three days starting tomorrow. Not even a sex fail and Kasalong can dampen my boner![/QUOTE]Once she refused to do BBBJ, you should have told her to get dressed, and marched her right back to the bar and asked or your bar fine back. I'm sorry but paying what was agreed to for terrible service does nothing but allow these girls to continue poor service and bad behavior. If you would have returned to the bar with her the mamasan would not have been happy with her.

It's quite obvious these are owned by the same guy or a copycat because they are nearly carbon copies of each other. However I do have a belated observation.

I noticed a lot more fake tits at Billboard. The girls at Butterflies seemed more natural and I pointed this out to my buddy who agreed. Then having taken two girls from each place, our Butterfly girls were 21 and 24. And our Billboard girls were 32 and 36 (but looked great). Of course th older age would correlate with fake boobs to keep a younger look.

Certainly not factual but that is our observation of the two. Younger and less experienced at butterflies (a plus for me) and perhaps a slightly older more pro crowd at Billboard. I wonder if others have similar observations?

P.S. As a club Billboard is a bit more crowded and lively tho both are good.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2839995]So it's not all rainbows and unicorns every night I suppose. Took a cute petite hottie from Billboards but a total bust. She was just not into me and when it feels OFF then I am off. She was on TikTok the entire walk to the hotel. Then we argue CBJ and she won't budge. Tries to condom my limp dick. Just a total disaster. Just wanted her gone. Out 4700 baht. [/QUOTE]Why are you paying 4700 baht at Billboard? That's 1,000 over the going rate. I hope you're not getting the price from one of the mamasans instead of the girl.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2840011]Why are you paying 4700 baht at Billboard? That's 1,000 over the going rate. I hope you're not getting the price from one of the mamasans instead of the girl.[/QUOTE]He is including the barfine of 700 in the cost plus 4000 for the girl. Some girls are asking that for ST now at Billboard.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2840011]Why are you paying 4700 baht at Billboard? That's 1,000 over the going rate. I hope you're not getting the price from one of the mamasans instead of the girl.[/QUOTE]I am sure I am paying some gringo tax but it doesn't worry me much. Billboard and Butterflies were both 4000 to girl and 700 bar fine. They gave the 4 K to the girl in the club in front of you but they probably have to rebate out if that. Bunny was 3000 and 1000.

Are you saying you personally have taken from Billboard and Butterflies recently at 3000 for the girl? Yes I spoke w Mamasan as I thought was the way here. My buddy is from Asia and that is standard. I am sure the group would benefit if you are saying that is wrong thing.

Happy regardless with my first two pulls.

[QUOTE=Venturi34;2840014]He is including the barfine of 700 in the cost plus 4000 for the girl. Some girls are asking that for ST now at Billboard.[/QUOTE]This is getting out of hand.

1. Naba Plaza is not 700 barfine.

2. I doubt any agogo in Nana has 10 out of ten Hot girls.

3. How can there be a Vibe at ButterFleas?. Almost 9 pm 3 % Full. LOL. Hahaha. Could be in error on this one. If Rainbows are struggling you Darn know everyplace else is too.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2840016]I am sure I am paying some gringo tax but it doesn't worry me much. Billboard and Butterflies were both 4000 to girl and 700 bar fine. They gave the 4 K to the girl in the club in front of you but they probably have to rebate out if that. Bunny was 3000 and 1000.

Are you saying you personally have taken from Billboard and Butterflies recently at 3000 for the girl? Yes I spoke w Mamasan as I thought was the way here. My buddy is from Asia and that is standard. I am sure the group would benefit if you are saying that is wrong thing.

Happy regardless with my first two pulls.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reports.

Unless I misread it, your "first two pulls" were the same girl from Butterflies and in all three cases you paid the girl's 3,000 baht quoted fee upfront in the bar, right?

Of course, Your Mileage May Vary as usual. But in my experience your getting a happy experience with the first Butterflies girl after paying her fee upfront in the bar was the rare exception result, a truely rare gem of a girl, while the result you got with the second Butterflies girl, your third pull that turned out to be a disaster, would be the norm in a pay upfront arrangement.

Additionally, I'm guessing you did not specify anything upfront before paying the money in the bar regarding DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP or whatever it was that made that first girl experience so happy but that the second girl felt she had no reason to provide anything. Which, unless you did get a specific upfront agreement for those things from that second girl, she is pretty much within her rights to refuse doing them and keep the 3,000 baht you paid upfront.

So, if that is how it was with no upfront agreement from her to do anything that you expected to happen for the money in order for you to be happy about it, "going with the flow and seeing what happens in the room" so to speak, then marching back to the bar to complain might have been interesting for all involved and might possibly have made the mamasan unhappy. But, imo, it would not have been an inspiration for the mamasan or the girl to give your money back or to do anything different for the next guy who comes along.

For me, unless I ask for it upfront before I pay the money and get a clear and unambiguous Yes reply to it, it is highly unlikely it will happen in the room. No matter what it is. And paying the girl's fee upfront instead of after the sex session at any point whether it is paid upfront in the bar or paid upfront 5 seconds before gets into bed is the best way to ensure an unhappy experience for me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840007]Once she refused to do BBBJ, you should have told her to get dressed, and marched her right back to the bar and asked or your bar fine back. I'm sorry but paying what was agreed to for terrible service does nothing but allow these girls to continue poor service and bad behavior. If you would have returned to the bar with her the mamasan would not have been happy with her.[/QUOTE]Amen. If not sure about the girl, before doing anything else in the room, I always test the water with a BJ first. Avoids subsequent problems with the girl saying "but we did blah-blah-blah, so should pay half at least".

Did nothing, pay nothing. Don't get angry of course. Just say you want to cancel.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840061]Amen. If not sure about the girl, before doing anything else in the room, I always test the water with a BJ first. Avoids subsequent problems with the girl saying "but we did blah-blah-blah, so should pay half at least".

Did nothing, pay nothing. Don't get angry of course. Just say you want to cancel.[/QUOTE]Like most situations there is the right think to do and the easy thing to do. The right thing is of course to walk ten minutes back to the club and have an argument. The easy thing to do is send her home and go get a BJ a block away.

So yeah. I know the right thing. But I chose the easy thing. And was happy lightening my balls down the street and hitting the sack.

This is why my first stop after landing is 7 heaven.

Worth every penny.

Dao is my fav, she treat me like her long lost boyfriend.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2839995]So it's not all rainbows and unicorns every night I suppose. Took a cute petite hottie from Billboards but a total bust. She was just not into me and when it feels OFF then I am off. She was on TikTok the entire walk to the hotel. Then we argue CBJ and she won't budge. Tries to condom my limp dick. Just a total disaster. Just wanted her gone. Out 4700 baht. Boo. I guess every rose has its thorns.

Went to Kasalong to rub one out because it's like two blocks away. Yikes. That's divey and run down. 40's lady took me straight up w no choice of girls. And wow it's def not nice facilities at all. Feels dirty and cheap. Managed to give a credible BJ and I shot in her mouth after a few minutes. But def no comparison to 7-Heaven.

Def an off night for me but at least got a shot off!

Piece of advice: 1300 at 7 Heaven is def worth it vs 800 at Kasalong. No comparison in girls and facilities. Like not even same universe.

Fortunately Im flying a legit 9.5 model (who i was with via Seeking Arrangements in Madrid) to Majorca for three days starting tomorrow. Not even a sex fail and Kasalong can dampen my boner![/QUOTE]

So my amazing wife decided to surprise me on my Birthday with a weekend trip to Bangkok. Most of the time was of course spent with her but as a special birthday present she bought me a 4 hands 2 hour special massage (after I told her about Cherry). I had never been to the old Snow White but the set up is very similar to the old Devils Den. You are not going to find any 10's there but at 4 pm I got a selection of a dozen girls, some young, some older, some chubby, some skinny. Mama san told me which ones offer A+ (anal) and recommended a 25 year old. I also chose another 20 year old chubby girl (sometimes they try a lot harder). All in all a fully satisfying 2 hour romp. Non stop action, Anal, Rimming, Deep Throat and whatever else I wanted. Like directing my own porn shoot. Well worth the 4600 B plus 500 Beach tip I gave them.

Wife had read about the Pimp Club and wanted to check it out. I'm sorry but I don't see the point. Theres a minimum spend of 5000 B so we had to get a bottle. Cost to have a girl just sit with you for an hour was 2 K-3 K. Most of the girls had fake boobs and by no means were they all 8's or 9's either. I didn't bother with taking a girl or a private room so don't know what happens there. There was live music and we got drunk on our bottle so it was okay, but we could have gone to any bar in Bangkok for a good music without spending that much.

Finally last night wife and I checked out Soi Cowboy. Went into Suzie Wong, Afterschool and Sharks. Mixed bag of girls. Out of a dozen on stage maybe a couple were worth a drink. I bought drinks for a cute 22 year old in Suzie Wong and she was fun and interactive. Also bought some drinks at Sharks. Whats the deal with Crazy House at the end of the road? Asshole bouncers at the door saying "members only or 500 B entrance". Rude as fuck too. I've been in there before and it was a wild scene but I'm not paying 500 B just to look inside either.

If I go back ID stick to the massage joints around Soi 24/26 as it was by far the best experience and value for money.

[B]Re Steve9696's Report:[/B]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2840046]Thanks for the reports.

Unless I misread it, your "first two pulls" were the same girl from Butterflies and in all three cases you paid the girl's 3,000 baht quoted fee upfront in the bar, right?

Of course, Your Mileage May Vary as usual. But in my experience your getting a happy experience with the first Butterflies girl after paying her fee upfront in the bar was the rare exception result, a truely rare gem of a girl, while the result you got with the second Butterflies girl, your third pull that turned out to be a disaster, would be the norm in a pay upfront arrangement.

Additionally, I'm guessing you did not specify anything upfront before paying the money in the bar regarding DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP or whatever it was that made that first girl experience so happy but that the second girl felt she had no reason to provide anything. Which, unless you did get a specific upfront agreement for those things from that second girl, she is pretty much within her rights to refuse doing them and keep the 3,000 baht you paid upfront.

So, if that is how it was with no upfront agreement from her to do anything that you expected to happen for the money in order for you to be happy about it, "going with the flow and seeing what happens in the room" so to speak, then marching back to the bar to complain might have been interesting for all involved and might possibly have made the mamasan unhappy. But, imo, it would not have been an inspiration for the mamasan or the girl to give your money back or to do anything different for the next guy who comes along.

For me, unless I ask for it upfront before I pay the money and get a clear and unambiguous Yes reply to it, it is highly unlikely it will happen in the room. No matter what it is. And paying the girl's fee upfront instead of after the sex session at any point whether it is paid upfront in the bar or paid upfront 5 seconds before gets into bed is the best way to ensure an unhappy experience for me.[/QUOTE]Oops. I see you stated the Butteflies girls' quoted fees were 4,000 baht, not 3,000 baht and the one at Bunny's was 3,000 baht. Yeah, for that plus the barfine I would have needed to cite and get an upfront agreement for every major detail I wanted to happen in the session in order to be happy about it. And I would have walked away from any Pay Upfront deal other than for the barfine.

But that is just me.

Who knows, maybe every Pay Upfront and Go With The Flow And See What Happens In The Room arrangement you agree to from now on with a Thai gogo girl will turn out terrific and that one unhappy experience with the Butterflies girl will turn out to be the rare exception. Anything is possible I suppose.

However, if I followed that approach every time with Thai gogo girls all indications are the ratio of fails to happy experiences would be ridiculously lopsided toward fails. Guaranteed.

So, have read all of Steve 9696's reports and found them very valuable indeed given my upcoming trip. His reports in other forums (London / Spain / Germany) are also very good. Following on from his experiences of Nana bars (recommends Billboard and Butterflies) I enjoyed the report from Expat American, mainly due to his experience at Pimp.

I tried Pimp last year and found it a cold experience, but I wondered if I didn't stay long enough? I felt I was being ripped off so left early. Despite this, I really like the idea of an excellent high end gentlemans bar where you can enjoy a whole night of on stage performances, VIP room pool, KTV with a few girls, fun etc. Yep - "expensive" by Thai standards, but not by European standards. Paying circa 12-15,000 baht equates to about 400 euros. Truth is that most guys who visit FKK clubs in Germany, or one of the top clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos Malaga, E92 Fuengirola) will very easily spend 400 euros in a night for an hour or so with one girl, entry, drinks etc. Ok it is very tempting, when its possible to go to a BJ bar in BKK or Pattaya and be well serviced for a tenth of that price to think its crazy to spend this sort of cash. But for a tourist to come to BKK and enjoy a night in a top club / top venue like Maria's, Black Caviar, Sherbet Club, M club, Elite (13 Thonglor) as a one off is not a bad deal. But only of course if the quality of the girls is top rate and the entertainment the same.

So here is a question for experienced BKK forum members, but including the recent tourists: assume you have 4 nights in BKK. How do you spend them? Easy to say 1 night Nana, 1 night Soi Cowboy, 1 night 7 Heaven, etc. But what of other options? Nobody reports on Soi Thaniya yet a see a YouTube video from Jonny recently visiting Sena Club there where some of the girls look really attractive. The recent videos of Thaniya look like there are a lot of good options. Would that be one of your four nights? Thermae? What about one of high end soapies. La Belle? Or even the quirky Stocking Massage Spa? My trips to BKK inevitably result in nights barfining from agogos. I would really like to look at other options this time, but am strictly limited to four nights. Budget is happily not a consideration. Don't like escorts so Thai Friendly etc totally out. That's possible the world over. And I hate bait and switch. I like to select from a (real not ipad) line up so I can see exactly what I'm buying (renting! So, how would you guys choose to spend 4 nights only if budget wasn't an option? Steve 9696 might STILL say he'the spend at least one of them at Butterflies? But I think the answers would illuminating. And of course helpful.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2840293]
So here is a question for experienced BKK forum members, but including the recent tourists: assume you have 4 nights in BKK. How do you spend them? Easy to say 1 night Nana, 1 night Soi Cowboy, 1 night 7 Heaven, etc.[/QUOTE]My last trip was end of June and beginning of July. What I did is visit a massage parlor during the day and then hit the GoGos at night. There was a noticeable step down in the amount of girls for low season compared to my trip back in April so I would stick to the bigger places if I were you. I still think most of the top girls at at the GoGos, Thermae is alright on a Friday and Saturday but it felt relatively sparse otherwise. No matter the night though, Billboard always felt it had the most customers and girls.

So my recommendation is do the massages during the day and Nana at night. If it's early Friday / Saturday then can try Thermae for ST and hit the GoGos after.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2840046]Thanks for the reports.

Unless I misread it, your "first two pulls" were the same girl from Butterflies and in all three cases you paid the girl's 3,000 baht quoted fee upfront in the bar, right?[/QUOTE]He paid 4,000 baht upfront in the bar. Another poster has followed up with some girls in Billboard quote 4,000 baht. I have never been quoted above 3,000 baht for short time by any girl in Billboard or Butterflies. I may have been quoted more by a mamasan before I learned to never talk to a mamasan unless I needed her for something and I don't need her to pay a barfine. I simply tell the girl what we're going to do in the room and give her the money to pay the bar, she can deal with the mamasan if she needs to. I always pay the girl after the service.

In bars that I frequent a lot the mamasans are my friends after getting to know each other and we help each other. They bring me new girls that they know I will like and I tip them.

In bars that I'm less known if the girl wants to bring the mamasan over I simply hand the mamasan the money for the bar fine and tell her that I will take care of the girl in the room. Sometimes that mamasan will ask the girl if she's okay to be paid by me in the room. They almost always say yes, but if they do say no, I take my money back and walk.

Not useful to me till next trip but def some good info for the other guys in here. Worldwide I always try to pay after but it never occurred to me as possible in this setting. I let the mamasan lead the game but next time I will know better and separate the bar fine from the girl pay after. Good advice!

As far as luck in the pull, we both pulled girls the first night we adored. And did pull them second night again. Third night my friend made another great pull. And my Bunny pull on night one was a homer also. So I guess we were lucky (4/5) . I am usually quite good at gauging girls but def was off with that one pull. It wasn't even so much the CBJ. She was just not happy to be there (in the room) and I can't fuck an unhappy girl. Just doesn't work for me. Attitude is everything.

I am not trying to have BBFS, which I cant imagine just going w the flow and getting. Although when I proved a beast to get off, after 40 mins my Bunny girl mounted up bareback to get me off. In the end she didnt succeed despite all sorts of tricks and really everything. She was soooo sad that she couldnt get me off. And now that I think about it she was pay after. Cuz when I went to pay 3000 baht she really didnt want to take full payment since I didnt cum. So not all these girls are sharks. (And my Butterflies girl is just a regular college girl I love that!)

Reminder. My strong take is Butterflies girls are younger and more genuine than billboard (obv limited sample but my friend Chris agrees). Our plan next time will be to replicate the party at billboard and pull at butterflies that we did two nights.

Other venues we tried were Poseidon and a oil massage. We had been to Poseidon before. It is a nice high end experience without being crazy pricey like Maria. Girls range from 3200-6500 or so. It's a little out of the way up north but worth a trip. Payforit since I know how you roll, I think you would like it.

Apparently the fishbowl died with COVID but the third floor models floor is going strong. Chris and I had a Gin and Tonic and checked out the lineup. There was a bit of pick one pressure but not offputting and we said we wanted to relax w our drinks. They had the 3-4 K girls on the right and the 5-6 K girls on the left. To be clear if you are about optics not so much the experience then it's going to seem high. The 5-6 K girls are like Butterflies quality and the 3-4 K girls def not quite up to that tier. But really it's not just about fucking in your room — there is the soapy experience here.

Chris grabbed a Q girl 5200 I think and mine was a SR I believe and 6 K. She kept giving me the doe eyes and I caved. Great in room experience. Lovely bath play (no mat play — all in a shallow tub) and of course fucking on the bed. I was spent after one round but apparently two is possible as Chris's girl mounted up for round two! All in all a really nice time.

Last night in town was BOO a legal holiday and all the clubs closed. And no alcohol sold. Double boo. We found a Korean BBQ in Korea town that would sell beer in cups up on the second level. Great time and great find. And then went to nearby massage for happy ending for me and FS for Chris. Def middle aged ladies but nice service. No complaints.

Only venue we didn't try was freelancer clubs like Mixx etc. So maybe next time.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2840011]Why are you paying 4700 baht at Billboard? That's 1,000 over the going rate. I hope you're not getting the price from one of the mamasans instead of the girl.[/QUOTE]What's the going rate? The going rate for anything is what I'm willing to pay. Don't know of any going rates posted anywhere.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2840302]He paid 4,000 baht upfront in the bar. Another poster has followed up with some girls in Billboard quote 4,000 baht. I have never been quoted above 3,000 baht for short time by any girl in Billboard or Butterflies. I may have been quoted more by a mamasan before I learned to never talk to a mamasan unless I needed her for something and I don't need her to pay a barfine. I simply tell the girl what we're going to do in the room and give her the money to pay the bar, she can deal with the mamasan if she needs to. I always pay the girl after the service.

In bars that I frequent a lot the mamasans are my friends after getting to know each other and we help each other. They bring me new girls that they know I will like and I tip them.

In bars that I'm less known if the girl wants to bring the mamasan over I simply hand the mamasan the money for the bar fine and tell her that I will take care of the girl in the room. Sometimes that mamasan will ask the girl if she's okay to be paid by me in the room. They almost always say yes, but if they do say no, I take my money back and walk.[/QUOTE]I give the bar fine to who's ever responsible for it, most of the time my waitress. I've been quoted stupid money in every go-go in Thailand from girls. I pay what I think is fair or what it's worth to me. I don't get fooled with two lady drinks either because I'm the rare occasion that I order one, and make sure that the waitress is clear in her mind that it is one lady drink.

Guys. I won't hit the pubs tonight as there is an alcohol ban. Are there any nice dinner buffets in star hotels in sukhmvit that in can go and enjoy? Thinking of going late night.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2840064]Like most situations there is the right think to do and the easy thing to do. The right thing is of course to walk ten minutes back to the club and have an argument. The easy thing to do is send her home and go get a BJ a block away.

So yeah. I know the right thing. But I chose the easy thing. And was happy lightening my balls down the street and hitting the sack.[/QUOTE]The problems and the costs are exactly why most of us residents avoid GoGos at all costs. There are exceptions, but the majority will frequent certain oily parlors and a lot of us are quite heavily into the online scene. I totally understand why tourists don't want to spend the time working fiwfans. It takes a lot of time and a lot of research, speaking Thai is a big help, but yesterday I had a gal in a hotel less than 10 minutes from my house for 1500 baht, one shot l, one hour, and I'll tell you she looks every bit as good if not better than any of the girls you would see at Billboard or Butterflies. And tomorrow I'm looking at an auto show quality pretty for 2,500 for an hour. And this is white skin, amazing figure, no baby, and will absolutely blow the doors off anything in Nana plaza.

But hey, I totally get wanting to go to a gogo bar and have a good time, It's such a shadow of its former self, as is thermae, that me and my mates pretty much shun it. And don't get me wrong, we like to go to bars, but we like to go to bars where we can talk have a nice craft beer, or a nice whiskey, and some decent food. And if you add a fiwfans girl on to that still probably spending less than 2,500 Baht for the whole evening. It's a whole different and much better ball game when you live here.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840416]The problems and the costs are exactly why most of us residents avoid GoGos at all costs. There are exceptions, but the majority will frequent certain oily parlors and a lot of us are quite heavily into the online scene. I totally understand why tourists don't want to spend the time working fiwfans. It takes a lot of time and a lot of research, speaking Thai is a big help, but yesterday I had a gal in a hotel less than 10 minutes from my house for 1500 baht, one shot l, one hour, and I'll tell you she looks every bit as good if not better than any of the girls you would see at Billboard or Butterflies. And tomorrow I'm looking at an auto show quality pretty for 2,500 for an hour. And this is white skin, amazing figure, no baby, and will absolutely blow the doors off anything in Nana plaza.

But hey, I totally get wanting to go to a gogo bar and have a good time, It's such a shadow of its former self, as is thermae, that me and my mates pretty much shun it. And don't get me wrong, we like to go to bars, but we like to go to bars where we can talk have a nice craft beer, or a nice whiskey, and some decent food. And if you add a fiwfans girl on to that still probably spending less than 2,500 Baht for the whole evening. It's a whole different and much better ball game when you live here.[/QUOTE]No I think you are on point here. What you are doing is very efficient and the gogos are highly inefficient for getting pussy. I just enjoy the experience. It used to be I longed after the dating type experience and so Seeking Arrangement was my fave method. But now that I've had a home GF for going on two years I long for the "club experience" and what I call the girl buffet. No question I can go to an oily and get something quick. And that has its place too. It's wonderful to have a BJ bar like 7-heaven. That's another great format. I just love checking out the girls and the camel toe and spike heels and knowing I can have any one I want! That’s why I love Thai and Russian gogos and the Boates of São Paulo. The wonderful thing is there are like a ton of formats for us to choose. And we get to pick! Heavenly.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840416]The problems and the costs are exactly why most of us residents avoid GoGos at all costs. There are exceptions, but the majority will frequent certain oily parlors and a lot of us are quite heavily into the online scene. I totally understand why tourists don't want to spend the time working fiwfans. It takes a lot of time and a lot of research, speaking Thai is a big help, but yesterday I had a gal in a hotel less than 10 minutes from my house for 1500 baht, one shot l, one hour, and I'll tell you she looks every bit as good if not better than any of the girls you would see at Billboard or Butterflies. And tomorrow I'm looking at an auto show quality pretty for 2,500 for an hour. And this is white skin, amazing figure, no baby, and will absolutely blow the doors off anything in Nana plaza.

But hey, I totally get wanting to go to a gogo bar and have a good time, It's such a shadow of its former self, as is thermae, that me and my mates pretty much shun it. And don't get me wrong, we like to go to bars, but we like to go to bars where we can talk have a nice craft beer, or a nice whiskey, and some decent food. And if you add a fiwfans girl on to that still probably spending less than 2,500 Baht for the whole evening. It's a whole different and much better ball game when you live here.[/QUOTE]Actually 2,500 for a car model does seem fair. Remember if she is a 5,000 girl at LAbelle or somewhere equivalent. Guess how much is her cut.

Voila. 2,500.

Here's full day one report out. Best day I suppose tho we had several good days.

Chris and I landed in the afternoon and planned to hit it hard. Chris is kinda a single shot, single venue kinda guy, but I was able to convince him to live on the edge! .

We figured let's go BJ bar for a day gig to release the tension. Then hit the gogos at night. The vibe I got from the forum is that Nana is better than Cowboy (and I now agree) so we planned that for the night venue. But since Chris's hotel was near Cowboy we figured we'the just get the lay of the land and wandered down Soi cowboy even tho most things were closed.

Happened upon a great Irish pub as you exit Cowboy at the far end — to the left and across the street. Large place called Gritty McDuffs or some such. Zillion Brit's and Aussies watching rugby. Played some pool upstairs and enjoyed a couple pints and some nachos and satay that was quite tasty. Recommend.

After that, decided to start slow with a veggie massage as we waited for things to open. Found a place that looked legit and had good reviews. 300 baht ($10) for an hour Thai massage. Love that! Very solid job by both ladies. We repeated the following day. Now, bodies all relaxed, we went to get our dicks relaxed.

We decided to check out Haven first because one of the board members liked it. But yikes. I guess we roll differently. Some 4-5's out front and dark and dingy inside with a random toddler roaming about. No thanks.

Went to 7-Heaven, not too far a walk away, where again a board member recommended (thanks guys!) where it's tablet format. They show you available girls on the iPad and they are pretty close to pics it turns out. Pricing is 1300 for BBBJ w / CIM standard and they have a few options — pretty sure Google maps pics shows price list but it's in Chinese! Funniest is there is small upcharge for COB and COF but CIM is free. Wtf? There is a note on the price list that says 40 minute time limit and one shot. Ok no problem.

I picked a real cutie who seemed in her twenties and was maybe just a bit thick but not problematically so. Beautiful face and lips and what great attentive service. Makes you feel like a king. The rooms are nice and clean and there is a mat bed on the floor. Doesn't seem at all dirty or dicey like say Kasalong. Nice place and worth the 500 baht premium over Lolita's or Kasalong for both facilities and girls, no contest.

Attentive dick wash in the sink and then the BJ was on. On my back for most of it and nice technique. She had nice firm tits I could access from time to time. When it took a long time to finish, we moved to me standing and her on her knees looking up submissively. Hands in her hair and a bit of direction (I like it slow) plenty of BLS and that did the trick. Rewarded her with some nice shots her mouth. Ahhhh, one down.

Kicked around a bit and eventually ended up at Nana plaza — only 5 min walk from my hotel. Sat at the big center bar and had a Jack and coke and a beer just shooting the shit and marveling at how great it is to be back. We got there at 7:59 and the barmaid was nice enough to give us the happy hour prices that expired at 8. There was a girl at the table across the aisle, outside Bunny, making strong eye contact as me and Chris drank. She was hot and had on cat ears (love that!) so we filed her for future reference.

Can't really remember where but I think we poked our heads in a few spots before deciding to hit the well recommended Billboard on the third level. Wow. It was hopping. The waitress seated us "pool side" if you will. There is a big Jacuzzi tub with foam in it and maybe ten girls doing the Bangkok shuffle on the platform adjacent to it and in the suds in the tub itself. Pretty good mix of fake tits and naturals and all pretty girls.

We spent quite some time marveling at this and just enjoying the vibe and drinking more. I will def say Billboard is very fair — no extra drink charges and not continuously pushing girls and girl drinks on you. If it's your thing you can prob just have a drink or two and ogle hotties and go whack off. Damage would be however many 180 baht ($6) drinks you have. That's it. Of course we had other plans.

This reminds me and I know all you pros know this but for the newbies. All the clubs bring a little wooden cup with your bill in it when you order. You don't need to pay right away. Each time you order they will add to it. But make SURE to check your bill esp after first drink and if you get ladies drinks. The less reputable clubs will try to tack shit on. So beware. Had this happen at Red Dragon but not Billboard, Butterflies, Crazy House, or Bunny.

OK. Back to the action. We really enjoyed Billboard. After a drink or two we moved to the revolving stage. I fucking love this. It's a round stage with slots for 12-15 girls at the perimeter. It rotates so you get to see every girl and about every 20 minutes they change out the lineup.

Night one they were wearing white and the camel toe was on point! You are looking up at all these pussies going by, plus make some eye contact if you want to, or just focus eye level and watch black stripper fuck-me heels of all kinds flood past. It's just epic. I could do this for hours. And did! Hahaha.

We eventually decided to check out Butterflies, as it came well recommended also. Very obvious same format, menu, and prices, but no revolving stage. On later reflection, we noticed almost NO silicone in here and wondered if that is sorta the requirement of management. Younger and more natural than Billboard.

Chris had been telling me he's a one shot guy and shot it at 7-Heaven. But I knew better. It took a bit but suddenly this little 24 year old pixie (4-11,80 lbs?) caught his eye and he was slain. Called her down and it was clear in five minutes that it was on and I needed to find my hottie.

I decided to take a tour of the other stage and see what was on offer. All the girls were doing the Bangkok shuffle except one who was really bringing some energy and sex appeal. She was also a full womans build, not your typical Thai pixie and that appealed since I've been doing the pixies of late (including my Asian GF back home). So I called her down and we all four gathered by the stage.

Both girls the chemistry was great. Chris's girl was twerking on him and simulating doggie fucking in front of a pile of old Chinese and white dudes just a few feet away. And my girl backs into me, puts my hands on her tits (nice firm be-see cups) and was reaching behind her back and stroking my now hard dick. Ok girls. We get the message — you want to fuck. What a coincidence — Us too!

We settle up with the mamasan (see other posts which advise against this — just pay barfine and then pay girl directly after) and the girls go to change. Chris's pixie is dressed just like his old GF used to and he's a goner. Mine is also sexy AF and we are ready to rumble. We walk most of the way together but Chris grabs a cab for him and his girl since he's a bit farther.

In the room my girl and I shower separately and return in towels. We have a truly lovely BFGF time together. I learn she's a 21 year old college student and it shows. But I love that! We make out some and she's an OK kisser but not tops. But I can tell there is passion and that is all that matters.

Despite her club persona she's a shy girl and wants the lights down low but I convince her otherwise. I start with some nice tit sucking and damn she likes that. Def likes her tits sucked in hard and I am enjoying soft hand circles with her amazing tits.

After a bit of that I head down south but teasing along the way. Maybe lick down to her belly button but then back to tits. A little further next time. Licking and sucking that hollow between thigh and pussy and brushing over her clit when changing sides. She is squirming like a girl that's had nothing but college age losers fuck and forget and enjoying every minute.

Eventually I reward her with full soft mouth action and she is wet as a fucking fountain. Lots of good clit licking and sucking keeping a nice rhythm. I slip a finger inside (she's tight!) and start some gspot work while still working clit with tongue. Then slide two fingers in gently vertically and slowly rotate to horizontal and gspot tweaking and she is bucking while her pussy walls keep clamping. It is just one sloppy pussy clamping fiesta!

Honestly I love getting fresh girls off like that so it could be a highlight. But the rest is very good. Very nice BJ and BLS with a nice attentive nature.

At some point I want to move her around to 69 and this is where you can see she is so new to this. Most girls know the universal gesture and soft body leading that swings her to 69. But she is not sure what I want. She kinda pivots into a reverse Cowgirl sumata very awkwardly and realizes this can't be right. We both laugh hard and so we reposition her till she's in 69 and have a great time.

After that the fucking is epic. Damn. Can't remember it all. But we do the Steve forever (clear she hasn't done this before). Several times I lean in and we make out urgently like new lovers do. Finally with a foot on the bed for extra leverage I pound out an earthshaking shot in the condom. Ah. Shot two is always a labor of love but amazing when you get it.

After some nice cuddles, she can't stay because she has a field trip in the morning. (And of course I'the booked ST). Gentleman that I am, I say I will walk her back to Nana. Who does this! I do.

Back at Nana I see her off to Butterflies with a kiss. And as I turn to go home I think. Well, I don't have a third shot but a little camel toe never hurt anyone! And there is a camel toe parade going on right now two floors up! Plus I can do some research for the forum, dedicated poster that I am.

So off I go to billboard. Of course it's amazing and I enjoy a drink there. But I feel dedication to the forum and decide I should have a beer a couple other places and report out.

First up is Angelwitch. Def a heavy rock vibe and about ten girls on stage. There are a couple doable ones but I clearly see why Billboard is a fave.

Next up is Bunny where all my best intentions go to hell in a hand basket. The greeter seats me at the first table and before long I am getting the death stare from a very slim hottie in the closest position. Shortly I notice cat ears girl from earlier at the far end of the stage and get the serious doe eyes. Damn. She's hot and seductive. A dangerous combo!

Both girls come join me and I am in a nice Steve sandwich. I am not really in the market tho and particularly not for two. So when the Mamasan comes and asks if I will buy both a drink I think for a sec but then say "no thanks". You might think this is offputting but it's just the opposite. Instead both girls redouble their efforts!

The tiny pixie girl on my right starts massaging my shoulders and back and it's very nice. Not to be out done, cat girl starts massaging my dick! In full view of everyone. I'm not shy so I let her keep on and before long I have a full fledged boner. She's impressed and now with both hands she is pressing my shorts flat to show my full glory and showing her friend how long and thick my dick is. OMG! It's so naughty it's just great. King of the fucking world.

Ok. Fuck. How can I not take this minx! So with apologies to her friend, I bar fine cat girl and we are off (she says later her friend was really sad and wanted me to take her — oh well. I've only got one dick. Sorry.).

In the never a dull moment category, as I give the mamasan the bar fine, she points out that this is not Thai currency! It's from another Asian country. LOL. Not to be deterred, they assign the stocky barmaid to escort me to the ATM. It's one of those life experiences when she marches me past security and then goes into the busy street and stops traffic both ways so I can get to the ATM across the street. Thai service rules!

Having settled up, we head to the room where we have a great time. Not quite the same college girl newness passion as the first girl but really quality BJ and sex. I'm prob 8 or so drinks in so can't remember fuck all at this point except that it's perilously hard to finish me.

At some point maybe 40 minutes in I take off the condom to maybe finish by mouth. She does some great BJ but she is determined to finish me so she mounts up bareback! Wow! Super nice in cowgirl and the Steve but no dice. Not even bareback. We try every trick in the book including her BLS and me jacking. Or me jacking and her mouth open and tongue tapping a bit and maybe I slide it in for a few pumps. I mean all amazing stuff but no dice.

Just goes to show these girls are not all hardcore because when I finally pack it in she is so disappointed. I owe her 3000 baht for her part and she is saying she doesn't deserve it all because I didn't cum! Fuck she worked hard. Not her fault, so I gave her the full amount and sent her on her way (not walking back a second time! What a nice girl. Two for two.

And that is the end of day one. Yep. Just one day. Bangkok rules!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840416]The problems and the costs are exactly why most of us residents avoid GoGos at all costs.[/QUOTE]That's the beauty about actually living in Thailand. Anyone living in Thailand never has to pay a barfine. You get the girls to come over on their days off, before or after work. Always skip the expensive middleman.

Bottom line really is how much does a person feel comfortable spending on girls and drinks each night. Some may feel 2500 baht is the limit for a nights fun other may say 20,000 baht. I'm currently living in Japan and pay around 3000 baht per 15 minutes for a young slim extremely pretty top end pale skinned car show girl. My budget is no different than Thailand I just see way fewer girls.

Dear fellas,

Going with my girlfriend to Bangkok this winter and looking for recommendations for some nice and experience as a couple.

My better half is quite open minded and up for everything (yes, quite happy about it) so my task is to plan a sexy trip.

Looking for 3-4 different versions what to try together: Getting or taking an escort to our hotel room (or 2, that was her idea), soaping massage, "normal" happy ending massage and so on. What else would you think of?

Besides of Nana, Cowboy, which places would you recommend?

As we are both beginning of 30 and attractive so we like young, model-type girls beginning of 20's. The price doesn't play a big role, I just want to get us unforgettable memories.

So places can be high-end (maybe Poseidon? It has to be without any time pressure (no BJ bar or ST booking haha) and more in nice environment (I saw places like Termae but I think that one would not be the best place for her in terms of spirit.

Usually we are more into (eastern-) European girls (I guess in BKK you need to hunt for that in normal clubs as usual) but Thai could also be sexy.

Looking forward for your answers.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2839676]This all depends on what you're doing. Are you getting girls every day or even multiple girls a day? Are you doing high end restaurants? Are you drinking a lot? Are you going to get conned into buying lady drinks at gogos? Are you trying to BF high end girls or low. Are you going to stay at a high end hotel?

You can go to an MP and pay 2000-2500 baht for 2 hours of time. You can get a streetwalker for ST or LT for a variety of prices. You can go to high end clubs or escorts and pay much much more.[/QUOTE]Thanks GrapeMan. Appreciate the feedback. Sounds like a few hundred USD a day will be plenty!

Met a hot freelancer at nana; 1 k St; claimed to be 27 but was probably 32 . Total GFE. Surprisingly spoke decent English. She works in quality control during the day and drives a bmw. Which was surprising. Anyways we did our thing; while leaving I gave her an extra 200 baht as tip: she as happy. She also offered to show me around Bangkok all day tomorrow but I have plans so told her I will take her for dinner at a nice place. She was real sweet but should I be perturbed by the fact that she was ok to show me around? She also mentioned her younger brother is a cop so if am in any trouble I can call her. What do you say guys? Considering her younger bro is a cop, am.

I at risk of being scammed? I did take her out for dinner after I banged her and she was very sweet. No red flags. Also told her am in Bangkok for one night only.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2840434]No I think you are on point here. What you are doing is very efficient and the gogos are highly inefficient for getting pussy. I just enjoy the experience. It used to be I longed after the dating type experience and so Seeking Arrangement was my fave method. But now that I've had a home GF for going on two years I long for the "club experience" and what I call the girl buffet. No question I can go to an oily and get something quick. And that has its place too. It's wonderful to have a BJ bar like 7-heaven. That's another great format. I just love checking out the girls and the camel toe and spike heels and knowing I can have any one I want! Thats why I love Thai and Russian gogos and the Boates of So Paulo. The wonderful thing is there are like a ton of formats for us to choose. And we get to pick! Heavenly.[/QUOTE]Oh, I think gogo bars are very efficient for finding hot to trot little minxes who might very well agree to or decide on their own to move to a BBFS+Cum-In-Pussy Real Sex Experience if she understands that's what it will take to make you a happy customer. Same as your Butterflies girl did for you.

By stark contrast, I only have personal experience of getting exactly nowhere after 3-4 hours' research for such an experience on Fiwfans. And, for the purported 1500 baht "going rate" on that site, I would even have been willing to accept a couple of rungs down from the best looking Nana Plaza gogo bargirls I have enjoyed that with on the first session. I suspect I would have to devote several months research and much trial and error waste of time and money to score a real looker on Fiwfans willing to do BBFS+CIP with me for any amount of money. Assuming I don't get blackballed and banned from the site for merely asking. LOL.

I have lived here for almost 12 years and it is much, much easier for me to get an upfront agreement for no hurry, no hassle DFK, BBBJ and a BBFS+CIP finish with an above average looking young Thai girl in a first session at a gogo bar than in any other venue or P4 P option I have tried.

That includes online, in-bar freelancers, street girls, massage shops and so-called PSE Happy Ending Shops.

I understand many lucky punters are fine with Covered FS. But all factors considered, in terms of time and money expenditure, if my definition of Real Sex above is the kind of "pussy" one wants in a first session with an above average or better looking young Thai girl, nothing is more efficient for getting it in Bkk than a night of barhopping and, yes, sometimes a bit of mamasan-assisted screening at the gogo bars, imo.

Where can I get my cock and inner thigh area shaved in Bangkok? Am in Sukhumvit area. Leads would be welcome.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2840483]That's the beauty about actually living in Thailand. Anyone living in Thailand never has to pay a barfine. You get the girls to come over on their days off, before or after work. Always skip the expensive middleman.

Bottom line really is how much does a person feel comfortable spending on girls and drinks each night. Some may feel 2500 baht is the limit for a nights fun other may say 20,000 baht. I'm currently living in Japan and pay around 3000 baht per 15 minutes for a young slim extremely pretty top end pale skinned car show girl. My budget is no different than Thailand I just see way fewer girls.[/QUOTE]Any Ayu Sakurai sightings?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2840483]That's the beauty about actually living in Thailand. Anyone living in Thailand never has to pay a barfine. You get the girls to come over on their days off, before or after work. Always skip the expensive middleman.

Bottom line really is how much does a person feel comfortable spending on girls and drinks each night. Some may feel 2500 baht is the limit for a nights fun other may say 20,000 baht. I'm currently living in Japan and pay around 3000 baht per 15 minutes for a young slim extremely pretty top end pale skinned car show girl. My budget is no different than Thailand I just see way fewer girls.[/QUOTE]Jealous actually. I'd love to be living in Japan. When I was in my mid thirties 20 odd years ago and moved to Thailand, it really ticked all the boxes. Now that I'm in my late 50's Japan has much more appeal. Four seasons, I can even ski in the winter, unbelievable food quality I almost say the best in the world, a wonderful transportation system, it's clean, and everything works. It's first world. Yes there are drawbacks, but I am considering getting an akiya and spending a few months there a year. Absolutely love the Kansai area. And of course some of the women are just stunning and the level of sophistication is better.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2840531]By stark contrast, I only have personal experience of getting exactly nowhere after 3-4 hours' research for such an experience on Fiwfans. And, for the purported 1500 baht "going rate" on that site, I would even have been willing to accept a couple of rungs down from the best looking Nana Plaza gogo bargirls I have enjoyed that with on the first session. I suspect I would have to devote several months research and much trial and error waste of time and money to score a real looker on Fiwfans willing to do BBFS+CIP with me for any amount of money. Assuming I don't get blackballed and banned from the site for merely asking. LOL[/QUOTE]I guess our eyes must work differently, but the girls from fiwfans to my eyes are significantly better looking than the girls you see in Go-Go bars. And yes 1500 get you a significantly better looking girl then what you see in butterflies or billboard and if you're willing to spend 2500 and up you get an auto show quality pretty. White skin, no baby, nice body, etc. And the telegram groups were the punters post their reviews are indeed very revealing as they include more pictures.

In contrast to you I find it significantly more convenient to be able to peruse on my phone, read reports, and then head out to a hotel pretty much anytime during the day and have a session. One doesn't have to wait for the bars to open, when can even partake at 10:00 am And they are scattered all over the city so if you happen to be in Thonburi, Bob's your Uncle. Additionally, I don't find the Nana area a particularly appealing place to go these days. Well I do wander down there for Middle Eastern food occasionally walking down the street at present is not a very appealing experience.

But it's not for you as you're going to find very few girls who are willing to take it "fresh" and yes the majority of local punters are very interested in maintaining their sexual health so bareback full sex for the most part is a No-No. I for one and more than happy with this, in fact I think it's a wonderful thing. BBBJCIM is quite possible and I would say the majority of the girls are up for that.

I have not found the Go-Go's appealing since the late '00's and that was a real stretch then. I did enjoy Cowboy quite a bit before the Arab bought Midnight which was in about 04 I think.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840585]I guess our eyes must work differently, but the girls from fiwfans to my eyes are significantly better looking than the girls you see in Go-Go bars. And yes 1500 get you a significantly better looking girl then what you see in butterflies or billboard and if you're willing to spend 2500 and up you get an auto show quality pretty. White skin, no baby, nice body, etc. And the telegram groups were the punters post their reviews are indeed very revealing as they include more pictures.
[/QUOTE]I do not live in Thailand but I have used FWIFANS / Sideline and gone to the GoGos quite a bit. So pro to Fwifans is like you said it's cheaper but their appearance in real life compared to the photos is a total crapshoot. It varies from being slightly worse looking than their photos to almost a completely different person. Some agencies are worse than others when it comes to this. Also waiting for Grab / Bolt is a little annoying sometimes to get out to some of these locations.

GoGos have the pro of seeing the girls in person and there is large selection to choose from immediately but then you have to pay the additional cost. I used to try out Fwifans in the daytime and then visit the GoGos at night.

Random guess but is the 2500 white skinned girl you saw named Vodka?

I recently had a quite of wait for my flight coming from outside Bangkok to BKK, so I dumped my bag in storage for 150 THB at the airport. After checking options close by I decided on Lovely Spa in Minburi. I knew how traffic is midday and toward school closure I would have taken a motorbike taxi. Not sure however where to find one in BKK but maybe head to Novotel or something and order them to pick there.

Fairly small place and six ladies with primarily 6-7 looks but overall young. It will definitely help if you speak some Thai since there wasn't much English. Think cost was around 2800 THB but had to check beforehand if sex was on the table. Not sure if this is common? Either way service level was good even if massage is a bit piano so will consider going again. The driver back decided to not take the paid express and despite heavy traffic it went smoothly. But I would like to ask is there any other options worthwhile exploring around Suvarnabhumi? I will have a few more rounds at the airport this year.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840585]I guess our eyes must work differently, but the girls from fiwfans to my eyes are significantly better looking than the girls you see in Go-Go bars. And yes 1500 get you a significantly better looking girl then what you see in butterflies or billboard and if you're willing to spend 2500 and up you get an auto show quality pretty. White skin, no baby, nice body, etc. And the telegram groups were the punters post their reviews are indeed very revealing as they include more pictures.

In contrast to you I find it significantly more convenient to be able to peruse on my phone, read reports, and then head out to a hotel pretty much anytime during the day and have a session. One doesn't have to wait for the bars to open, when can even partake at 10:00 am And they are scattered all over the city so if you happen to be in Thonburi, Bob's your Uncle. Additionally, I don't find the Nana area a particularly appealing place to go these days. Well I do wander down there for Middle Eastern food occasionally walking down the street at present is not a very appealing experience.

But it's not for you as you're going to find very few girls who are willing to take it "fresh" and yes the majority of local punters are very interested in maintaining their sexual health so bareback full sex for the most part is a No-No. I for one and more than happy with this, in fact I think it's a wonderful thing. BBBJCIM is quite possible and I would say the majority of the girls are up for that.

I have not found the Go-Go's appealing since the late '00's and that was a real stretch then. I did enjoy Cowboy quite a bit before the Arab bought Midnight which was in about 04 I think.[/QUOTE]No, I am sure our eyes work very much the same. I can tell the difference between the level of beauty in the girls online, in bars and, frankly, everywhere on the planet free or paid who are likely to engage in no hassle BBFS+CIP and those who will not and need not.

There is nothing special about Billboard vs Fiwfans in that regard. The best lookers everywhere provide Real Sex by my definition a lot less often and much later in the game than the merely above average lookers. And the above average lookers provide it less often and later in the game than the desperate, seriously looks-challenged girls. My observation and experience is that dynamic exists everywhere, free or for money, same as it did in highschool for all of us.

It is my penis that might not work the same as yours and the other expats you know who are satisfied with Covered FS. LOL. Mine says NO loud and clear to any version of covered sex.

On the only other acceptable option for me, do you know if your Auto Show Pretty Fiwfans girl would provide a true BBBJ+CIM, no dodging and no Hand Job conversion at the finish, with some level of skill and reliable success in a first session? If not and assuming there is no way Real Sex / BBFS+CIP with her is on the table at any price, then whatever research time and money I would devote to scoring such a beauty would be a total waste for me. If I spent 2 hours with her for only 100 baht it would be a waste of 100 baht in my case. Unless she has some really charming stories and funny jokes to tell over dinner.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840585]I guess our eyes must work differently, but the girls from fiwfans to my eyes are significantly better looking than the girls you see in Go-Go bars. And yes 1500 get you a significantly better looking girl then what you see in butterflies or billboard and if you're willing to spend 2500 and up you get an auto show quality pretty. White skin, no baby, nice body, etc. And the telegram groups were the punters post their reviews are indeed very revealing as they include more pictures.
[/QUOTE]Would you mind sharing, here or privately, those telegram groups?

[QUOTE=MakeItOrBreak;2840604]I recently had a quite of wait for my flight coming from outside Bangkok to BKK, so I dumped my bag in storage for 150 THB at the airport. After checking options close by I decided on Lovely Spa in Minburi. I knew how traffic is midday and toward school closure I would have taken a motorbike taxi. Not sure however where to find one in BKK but maybe head to Novotel or something and order them to pick there.

Fairly small place and six ladies with primarily 6-7 looks but overall young. It will definitely help if you speak some Thai since there wasn't much English. Think cost was around 2800 THB but had to check beforehand if sex was on the table. Not sure if this is common? Either way service level was good even if massage is a bit piano so will consider going again. The driver back decided to not take the paid express and despite heavy traffic it went smoothly. But I would like to ask is there any other options worthwhile exploring around Suvarnabhumi? I will have a few more rounds at the airport this year.[/QUOTE]Because traffic is so horrible, your best bet is to learn how to use the airport sky train (BTS). The simplest is to simply take the train from the airport to e.g. , Makkasan station (half an hour or so).

At Makkasan you're already very close to the lower Sukhumvit area where us tourists like to slum it. From there you can either take a motorbiketaxi to your final destination, or interchange to the mrt train and go to Sukhumvit station, which is just one station from Makkasan.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2840436]Actually 2,500 for a car model does seem fair. Remember if she is a 5,000 girl at LAbelle or somewhere equivalent. Guess how much is her cut.

Voila. 2,500.[/QUOTE]Voila what? The fiwfans girl cut of 2500 is not 2500.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840627]Would you mind sharing, here or privately, those telegram groups?[/QUOTE]I believe he's talking about the telegram groups from fiwfans. Each agency has one.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840585]I guess our eyes must work differently, but the girls from fiwfans to my eyes are significantly better looking than the girls you see in Go-Go bars. And yes 1500 get you a significantly better looking girl then what you see in butterflies or billboard and if you're willing to spend 2500 and up you get an auto show quality pretty. White skin, no baby, nice body, etc. And the telegram groups were the punters post their reviews are indeed very revealing as they include more pictures.[/QUOTE]Is there a reason why fiwfans caps out at 2500 baht? I wish the higher end soapies had their own tg or line. What telegram reviews sites are you using?

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2840643]I believe he's talking about the telegram groups from fiwfans. Each agency has one.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure. I only signed up for Telegram to use fiwfans, so I don't know how to use it well yet, but the one group I have joined (an agency group) does not seem to have much reviews. It has daily updates of who is working every day, and the occasional question, but I have not seen any reviews there I think.

Also, after using fiwfans for the last few weeks, I see there are many fake reviews on the website. Many true, but many fake also. What's a lot worse though is that it looks like they only publish good reviews. I've submitted a handful reviews, half good, half not so good. Only the good were published.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2840650]Is there a reason why fiwfans caps out at 2500 baht? I wish the higher end soapies had their own tg or line. What telegram reviews sites are you using?[/QUOTE]Actually it doesn't cap out at 2500. There are some that cost 20,000+ per hour. Why? I really have no idea, except the ones I looked at seem to all have in their info that they're ok about smoking and drinking.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840654]Actually it doesn't cap out at 2500. There are some that cost 20,000+ per hour. Why? I really have no idea, except the ones I looked at seem to all have in their info that they're ok about smoking and drinking.[/QUOTE]The majority are 2000 baht.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840653]I'm not sure. I only signed up for Telegram to use fiwfans, so I don't know how to use it well yet, but the one group I have joined (an agency group) does not seem to have much reviews. It has daily updates of who is working every day, and the occasional question, but I have not seen any reviews there I think.

Also, after using fiwfans for the last few weeks, I see there are many fake reviews on the website. Many true, but many fake also. What's a lot worse though is that it looks like they only publish good reviews. I've submitted a handful reviews, half good, half not so good. Only the good were published.[/QUOTE]Well, when it comes to only "good" reviews you have to learn how to read between the lines. If a gal doesn't get 310's, then there is definitely something lacking. When you see a nine you can really read a seven or maybe even a six. There is a reason for that, and that reason is the agents read these reviews and if you are continually posting bad reviews then you will definitely get blacklisted by some of these agents. A better way of handling a bad experience is to deal with it directly with the agent who you booked through.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840654]Actually it doesn't cap out at 2500. There are some that cost 20,000+ per hour. Why? I really have no idea, except the ones I looked at seem to all have in their info that they're ok about smoking and drinking.[/QUOTE]I think there's like one girl that's 20 k, and maybe a couple who are over five, but the vast majority for a 90-minute two-shot session are somewhere between 1800 and 2500. The top looking girls, I. E models are pretty, can be 2,500 to 3500 for an hour, which is still way less than you are paying for an average looking go go girl. But again, weeding through the chaff takes a lot of time.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840653]I'm not sure. I only signed up for Telegram to use fiwfans, so I don't know how to use it well yet, but the one group I have joined (an agency group) does not seem to have much reviews. It has daily updates of who is working every day, and the occasional question, but I have not seen any reviews there I think.

Also, after using fiwfans for the last few weeks, I see there are many fake reviews on the website. Many true, but many fake also. What's a lot worse though is that it looks like they only publish good reviews. I've submitted a handful reviews, half good, half not so good. Only the good were published.[/QUOTE]Most of the agents list their telegram on the gal's pages. Fiwfans also has their own telegram page which includes quite a few reviews.

Honestly, learning how to navigate this is taking a lot of time and patience, and I don't mind sharing some knowledge with people, but honestly, I kind of expect some good information in return. Learning which agents are good, which ones keep performance standards for their girls, which ones are really farang friendly, and which ones aren't, is a long slow process.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840653]I'm not sure. I only signed up for Telegram to use fiwfans, so I don't know how to use it well yet, but the one group I have joined (an agency group) does not seem to have much reviews. It has daily updates of who is working every day, and the occasional question, but I have not seen any reviews there I think.

Also, after using fiwfans for the last few weeks, I see there are many fake reviews on the website. Many true, but many fake also. What's a lot worse though is that it looks like they only publish good reviews. I've submitted a handful reviews, half good, half not so good. Only the good were published.[/QUOTE]After some time on the site you can spot the reviews that are not genuine, many times by looking at the reviewer's name clicking on them and seeing if they only review one agent's girls.

And when you talk about talent, please see the below Link in the first set of photos in the first review. I'm sorry but there's nothing in Nana plaza that approaches this.

[URL]https://fiwfans.vip/sideline/406rae4tal4p1n2pc[/URL]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840632]Voila what? The fiwfans girl cut of 2500 is not 2500.[/QUOTE]I have no idea about social media. If these girls are as Hot as Goatscrit implies then the girls need a new Business Model. I thought they were independence contractors. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2839814]Are you Indian?

About this great professional job she has. Did you Verify? Odd she can just take off when she wants. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]I am not sure why is that level of specificity relevant here (The reason I had mentioned about my appearance was to set a context that I don't appear as a rich white foreigner to a Thai women rather an average brown skinned guy.

Thai general society consider white is symbol of wealth, good luck and status.

Even you are rich with brown skin, the girl might accept you, but society still doesn't see her as accomplished.

An Indian friend of mine married Thai girl, she is happy with him, but her family doesn't really accept him as her sister who married to Czech guy.

The goal is to look white, having white kids.

Thai people also Believe word of mouth that Brown skin people are stingy, and she will not be able to take care of her sick Buffalo and entire family.

Ideal candidate is mid 50's rich white men, who will take care of her with regular remittances, maybe open a business for her sister and brother. And built a home and she will be well taken care of, historically brown men are not known for doing that so that's why they trend to avoid.

Back in US a friend of mine married Thai girl (white guy), few years later she open massage shop and does provide home visits. He is very chilled, laid back and let her make money peacefully vs brown men will sure have problem with this.

In Thailand, my goal is quality P4 P and enjoy great food and beer.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2840721]I am not sure why is that level of specificity relevant here (The reason I had mentioned about my appearance was to set a context that I don't appear as a rich white foreigner to a Thai women rather an average brown skinned guy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2840712]I have no idea about social media. If these girls are as Hot as Goatscrit implies then the girls need a new Business Model. I thought they were independence contractors. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]I think they're pretty much spot on for the local market. Soapies have turned into clip joints for East Asian tourists, and the prices in Go-Go's are absolutely outrageous considering the quality. Oilies are kind of comparable but overall I would say have less attractive women than what's available online.
The local punters want affordable and discreet as it's no longer acceptable to be seen going to a big soapy parlor with your workmates or friends like it was in the early '00s and before.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2840721]I am not sure why is that level of specificity relevant here (The reason I had mentioned about my appearance was to set a context that I don't appear as a rich white foreigner to a Thai women rather an average brown skinned guy.[/QUOTE]Me neither. Your post was well written and honest.

But let me also be honest: a girl that suggest you use transferwise to pay her is no newbie to this business.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2840712]I have no idea about social media. If these girls are as Hot as Goatscrit implies then the girls need a new Business Model. I thought they were independence contractors. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Do you always post so authoritatively about things you have no idea about?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840685]Well, when it comes to only "good" reviews you have to learn how to read between the lines. If a gal doesn't get 310's, then there is definitely something lacking. When you see a nine you can really read a seven or maybe even a six. There is a reason for that, and that reason is the agents read these reviews and if you are continually posting bad reviews then you will definitely get blacklisted by some of these agents. A better way of handling a bad experience is to deal with it directly with the agent who you booked through.[/QUOTE]

What will the agent do? I think I do a decent job of setting a good mood from the start (turning on the limited charm I have), so I have not really had any problems with service.

The problem has only been that some of the girls are too photoshopped in their pictures. Most of the girls I've seen have been from the same agent (I guess, assuming if it's the same hotel, it's also the same agent, though I could be wrong). Some have been head-turning pretty or cute, while others have been 2-3 years older, 5 kg heavier, and considerably less pretty than their photos.

I also think I've found the reason for some complaints I've seen here about the girl not being the girl from the photo, after it happened to me once or twice. In both those cases I went back and saw there is some text on the girls page about the photos being replicas (or something like that according to google's hopeless thai translations), and not the real photos.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2840747]Thai general society consider white is symbol of wealth, good luck and status.

Even you are rich with brown skin, the girl might accept you, but society still doesn't see her as accomplished.

An Indian friend of mine married Thai girl, she is happy with him, but her family doesn't really accept him as her sister who married to Czech guy.

The goal is to look white, having white kids.

Thai people also Believe word of mouth that Brown skin people are stingy, and she will not be able to take care of her sick Buffalo and entire family.

Ideal candidate is mid 50's rich white men, who will take care of her with regular remittances, maybe open a business for her sister and brother. And built a home and she will be well taken care of, historically brown men are not known for doing that so that's why they trend to avoid.

Back in US a friend of mine married Thai girl (white guy), few years later she open massage shop and does provide home visits. He is very chilled, laid back and let her make money peacefully vs brown men will sure have problem with this.

In Thailand, my goal is quality P4 P and enjoy great food and beer.[/QUOTE]I agree with all your observations, pretty succinct I must say. If I were to put myself into the shoes of that hypothetical brown guy, I think I would come out to be stingy also. I won't see the point of going that further into it. I also think if I was truly looking for a relationship I would not hesitate to go beyond the attributes of the hypothetical white guy here. In my case, ever since I met her I have made it abundantly clear that I am not here for a relationship but I like the prolonged GF experience.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840774]Me neither. Your post was well written and honest.

But let me also be honest: a girl that suggest you use transferwise to pay her is no newbie to this business.[/QUOTE]You are right about the knowledge on Wise, generally. Apparently, she works in finance remittance and ForEx dealings. I know her pretty well after all the time together. Her Bank where she works was on the other side of the Hotel I stayed. She would stay with me at the Hotel for the entire time I was there, she would walk over to the other side to work and she would come back during lunch time sometime and back after work. All that said, she absolutely may have a past.

For those of you who know the history prior to COVID. The Spasso's bar in the basement of Hotel Hyatt Erawan use to turn into an exclusive pickup joint at 10 pm every night. Live band, beautiful Thai, EE women, booze set that place up like no other. It was a bit expensive relatively, 5-Star rates applied but I guess it wasn't too bad at all. One could see beauties dressed elegantly step in through the door one after another while families would slowly leave, knowing the place will soon morph this evening classic Italian restaurant into a late night Adult Hookup House. This use to be my best hunting ground for two reasons - 1) I thought I did not miss much stepping out of the Hotel, all the better girls (so I think) walked over to the Daddies, no effort needed 2) The convenience was second to none, I could pick someone up and run up the elevator straight to the room in a minute flat.

After COVID, they closed down the late night "Adult Hookup House", I suppose it is now a full-time family restaurant. Do any of you old timers here know a similar 5 Star Hotel Bar that might have a night gig like Spasso's still. I heard The Bamboo Bar located in The Mandarin Oriental hotel might be similar but I have not heard anything for sure. Are there others anyone would like to share?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840779]What will the agent do? I think I do a decent job of setting a good mood from the start (turning on the limited charm I have), so I have not really had any problems with service.

The problem has only been that some of the girls are too photoshopped in their pictures. Most of the girls I've seen have been from the same agent (I guess, assuming if it's the same hotel, it's also the same agent, though I could be wrong). Some have been head-turning pretty or cute, while others have been 2-3 years older, 5 kg heavier, and considerably less pretty than their photos.

I also think I've found the reason for some complaints I've seen here about the girl not being the girl from the photo, after it happened to me once or twice. In both those cases I went back and saw there is some text on the girls page about the photos being replicas (or something like that according to google's hopeless thai translations), and not the real photos.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is usually a drop in the "cover" as the locals say. Of course part is to enhance the looks and part is to obscure the identity. On some of the agent telegram groups there are more accurate photos posted of faces.

I've had a few experiences where it was very obvious right when I walked in the room are very early in the session that the girl was not into it (perhaps really not being okay with foreigners) and it was not going to be good. I immediately contact the agent and depending on how far it went agreed to a small fee or nothing, and in the agent usually suggests another girl in the same hotel. I've never had an agent get agitated, rather always trying to work something out. Friend had a girl I just didn't want to do the second shot and the agent ended up refunding some money.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840774]Me neither. Your post was well written and honest.

But let me also be honest: a girl that suggest you use transferwise to pay her is no newbie to this business.[/QUOTE]Common knowledge certain people from certain parts of the world have to go that extra step to impress Bargirls.

Whereas a good Asian may be required to buy one drink. Bad Asians may be required to buy 5. It's real folks.

My friend Raj always has to be Surcharged when going out with his Good Asian Buddies. He is fine with it, he is embarrassed when he sees a fellow kinship buy one drink with 5 straws.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840753]I think they're pretty much spot on for the local market. Soapies have turned into clip joints for East Asian tourists, and the prices in Go-Go's are absolutely outrageous considering the quality. Oilies are kind of comparable but overall I would say have less attractive women than what's available online.
The local punters want affordable and discreet as it's no longer acceptable to be seen going to a big soapy parlor with your workmates or friends like it was in the early '00s and before.[/QUOTE]I agree. Fiwfans is ideal for the local market; both in terms of price and discretion. As Goatscrot says it does require some effort to get the hang of using it, but it can indeed be worth that effort. The only drawback I have found is, like Werqweq says, the unreliability of the photos provided; Photoshpped, bait-and-switch, etc.

The other local market option is using the local Kapoo clubs. These are similarly priced for the locals and do not need as much online research. I live in the far suburbs on the outskirts of Bangkok where there are plenty of local options available, the majority of which are Farang friendly, with both the Kapoo clubs or Fiwfans.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2840776]Do you always post so authoritatively about things you have no idea about?[/QUOTE]What did he say that was wrong, The girls aren't independent, and they as a whole aren't superstars. I like Fiw when I'm lazy, even though the bulk of the babes are a schlep away. Nothanburi is close to me and their cheaper up there. But let's not pretend their supermodels and I'm sure not going out to Min buri or out to Laksi.

To find out.

Do you happen to know if Sideline is managed by agents as well? Anyone using it? I tried to arrange something over LINE there but with my limited writing Thai and to be fair not contacting that many I failed. I got the impression some are independent in how they answered but not sure.

When I am back I will try again and update with my hopefully success haha.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840859]Yes, there is usually a drop in the "cover" as the locals say. Of course part is to enhance the looks and part is to obscure the identity. On some of the agent telegram groups there are more accurate photos posted of faces.

I've had a few experiences where it was very obvious right when I walked in the room are very early in the session that the girl was not into it (perhaps really not being okay with foreigners) and it was not going to be good. I immediately contact the agent and depending on how far it went agreed to a small fee or nothing, and in the agent usually suggests another girl in the same hotel. I've never had an agent get agitated, rather always trying to work something out. Friend had a girl I just didn't want to do the second shot and the agent ended up refunding some money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2840894]I agree. Fiwfans is ideal for the local market; both in terms of price and discretion. As Goatscrot says it does require some effort to get the hang of using it, but it can indeed be worth that effort. The only drawback I have found is, like Werqweq says, the unreliability of the photos provided; Photoshpped, bait-and-switch, etc.

The other local market option is using the local Kapoo clubs. These are similarly priced for the locals and do not need as much online research. I live in the far suburbs on the outskirts of Bangkok where there are plenty of local options available, the majority of which are Farang friendly, with both the Kapoo clubs or Fiwfans.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2840894]I agree. Fiwfans is ideal for the local market; both in terms of price and discretion. As Goatscrot says it does require some effort to get the hang of using it, but it can indeed be worth that effort. The only drawback I have found is, like Werqweq says, the unreliability of the photos provided; Photoshpped, bait-and-switch, etc.

The other local market option is using the local Kapoo clubs. These are similarly priced for the locals and do not need as much online research. I live in the far suburbs on the outskirts of Bangkok where there are plenty of local options available, the majority of which are Farang friendly, with both the Kapoo clubs or Fiwfans.[/QUOTE]Unreliable photos is a Drawback? In my world it's a Deal Killer. Carry on gentle Man's.

[QUOTE=MakeItOrBreak;2840993]Do you happen to know if Sideline is managed by agents as well? Anyone using it? I tried to arrange something over LINE there but with my limited writing Thai and to be fair not contacting that many I failed. I got the impression some are independent in how they answered but not sure.

When I am back I will try again and update with my hopefully success haha.[/QUOTE]It seems like the same thing for the most part, most of the agencies who are on Fwifans also crosspost to Sidelines.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2840835]For those of you who know the history prior to COVID. The Spasso's bar in the basement of Hotel Hyatt Erawan use to turn into an exclusive pickup joint at 10 pm every night. Live band, beautiful Thai, EE women, booze set that place up like no other. It was a bit expensive relatively, 5-Star rates applied but I guess it wasn't too bad at all. One could see beauties dressed elegantly step in through the door one after another while families would slowly leave, knowing the place will soon morph this evening classic Italian restaurant into a late night Adult Hookup House. This use to be my best hunting ground for two reasons - 1) I thought I did not miss much stepping out of the Hotel, all the better girls (so I think) walked over to the Daddies, no effort needed 2) The convenience was second to none, I could pick someone up and run up the elevator straight to the room in a minute flat.

After COVID, they closed down the late night "Adult Hookup House", I suppose it is now a full-time family restaurant. Do any of you old timers here know a similar 5 Star Hotel Bar that might have a night gig like Spasso's still. I heard The Bamboo Bar located in The Mandarin Oriental hotel might be similar but I have not heard anything for sure. Are there others anyone would like to share?[/QUOTE]Trying to bump up this question as I am also interested in this response from local experts and people familiar with the BKK mongering scene. I RTFF the first 20-25 pages and couldn't find any recent information so appreciate guidance.

I am interested in high-end pick up clubs, and credible escort agencies (I saw mention of Absolute Angels, Bangkok Golden. Any others?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2840910]What did he say that was wrong, The girls aren't independent, and they as a whole aren't superstars. I like Fiw when I'm lazy, even though the bulk of the babes are a schlep away. Nothanburi is close to me and their cheaper up there. But let's not pretend their supermodels and I'm sure not going out to Min buri or out to Laksi.

To find out.[/QUOTE]Compared to what you see in the GoGos and most of the oilies, they might as well be supermodels.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2840994]Unreliable photos is a Drawback? In my world it's a Deal Killer. Carry on gentle Man's.[/QUOTE]Gals don't want their identity known. Totally understandable to Photoshop. Usually the body is spot on though. Rest assured the majority looks better than what you see in Nana or Cowboy.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2840835]For those of you who know the history prior to COVID. The Spasso's bar in the basement of Hotel Hyatt Erawan use to turn into an exclusive pickup joint at 10 pm every night. Live band, beautiful Thai, EE women, booze set that place up like no other. It was a bit expensive relatively, 5-Star rates applied but I guess it wasn't too bad at all. One could see beauties dressed elegantly step in through the door one after another while families would slowly leave, knowing the place will soon morph this evening classic Italian restaurant into a late night Adult Hookup House. This use to be my best hunting ground for two reasons - 1) I thought I did not miss much stepping out of the Hotel, all the better girls (so I think) walked over to the Daddies, no effort needed 2) The convenience was second to none, I could pick someone up and run up the elevator straight to the room in a minute flat.

After COVID, they closed down the late night "Adult Hookup House", I suppose it is now a full-time family restaurant. Do any of you old timers here know a similar 5 Star Hotel Bar that might have a night gig like Spasso's still. I heard The Bamboo Bar located in The Mandarin Oriental hotel might be similar but I have not heard anything for sure. Are there others anyone would like to share?[/QUOTE]This was an excellent post. Disappointed nobody answered as I think a lot of us would love the answer. If there is a similar bar to this where is it in BKK?

[QUOTE=VikPunter;2841151]Trying to bump up this question as I am also interested in this response from local experts and people familiar with the BKK mongering scene. I RTFF the first 20-25 pages and couldn't find any recent information so appreciate guidance.

I am interested in high-end pick up clubs, and credible escort agencies (I saw mention of Absolute Angels, Bangkok Golden. Any others?[/QUOTE]We agree. I too would like the answer and to find out about high end pick up clubs. Pimp, Sherberts, M club, Play, all fit that bill but don't have recent reports on them.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2840835]For those of you who know the history prior to COVID. The Spasso's bar in the basement of Hotel Hyatt Erawan use to turn into an exclusive pickup joint at 10 pm every night. Live band, beautiful Thai, EE women, booze set that place up like no other. It was a bit expensive relatively, 5-Star rates applied but I guess it wasn't too bad at all. One could see beauties dressed elegantly step in through the door one after another while families would slowly leave, knowing the place will soon morph this evening classic Italian restaurant into a late night Adult Hookup House. This use to be my best hunting ground for two reasons - 1) I thought I did not miss much stepping out of the Hotel, all the better girls (so I think) walked over to the Daddies, no effort needed 2) The convenience was second to none, I could pick someone up and run up the elevator straight to the room in a minute flat.

After COVID, they closed down the late night "Adult Hookup House", I suppose it is now a full-time family restaurant. Do any of you old timers here know a similar 5 Star Hotel Bar that might have a night gig like Spasso's still. I heard The Bamboo Bar located in The Mandarin Oriental hotel might be similar but I have not heard anything for sure. Are there others anyone would like to share?[/QUOTE]For many years I have known that good old things disappear and nothing equivalent comes in their place.

About 10 years ago I was a big fan of the disco at the Novotel Siam (CM-2); that disappeared while nothing equivalent took its place.

A few weeks ago I walked by the Hyatt before midnight, Spasso restaurant was already closed.

I sat outside down wistfully on the railing and I remembered that somewhere around (2015-2018) you had from there a perfect when a woman / groups of women walked down the stairs to the garage. I remembered that I had good pick ups (or I was approached and could get a lift when she drove by past a few minutes later). An ideal place for smokers, but also as a non-smoker you could score well there. I have experienced that quite a few ladies visited Spassos that were not really in the business by default.

A lot is changed after Covid; nowadays I try to find my luck again in shopping malls.

It costs a lot more time but I'm usually over for 4 till 6 weeks so there's no reason if things don't move quickly.

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2840894]I agree. Fiwfans is ideal for the local market; both in terms of price and discretion. As Goatscrot says it does require some effort to get the hang of using it, but it can indeed be worth that effort. The only drawback I have found is, like Werqweq says, the unreliability of the photos provided; Photoshpped, bait-and-switch, etc.

The other local market option is using the local Kapoo clubs. These are similarly priced for the locals and do not need as much online research. I live in the far suburbs on the outskirts of Bangkok where there are plenty of local options available, the majority of which are Farang friendly, with both the Kapoo clubs or Fiwfans.[/QUOTE]Aren't Kapoo clubs another option where, yes, you can hire young good looking girls but their typical "no sex" policy limits the sexual activity to Hand Jobs?

Yes, that sounds very similar to the only skin-on-skin contact one can reliably count on with those Fiwfans supermodels. Perhaps an unreliable BBBJ+CIM if you're a long shot bettor. From what I've read and heard from punters who partake in Kapoo clubs and Fiwfans anyway.

For those of us who are in this hobby primarily or almost exclusively for BBFS+CIP and are simply not willing to consider a HJ or masturbating onto a girl's stomach or boobs to be anything remotely like Real Sex, that limitation is too high a price to pay for bragging rights that you paid less and got naked with a better looking girl than the ones actually delivering Real Sex in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy.

Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2840880]Common knowledge certain people from certain parts of the world have to go that extra step to impress Bargirls.

Whereas a good Asian may be required to buy one drink. Bad Asians may be required to buy 5. It's real folks.

My friend Raj always has to be Surcharged when going out with his Good Asian Buddies. He is fine with it, he is embarrassed when he sees a fellow kinship buy one drink with 5 straws.[/QUOTE]You certainly have the right perspective based on populous views in Thailand and there may be several behavioral or other reasons to cite to backup this generalized perceived mindset. We humans, we base our quick decisions based on generalization, usually, that would seem convenient for us obviously. Generalization in decision making may work some of the time but there may be an element of success / failure probability. Some people may feel victimized for no reason at all.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2840819]You are right about the knowledge on Wise, generally. Apparently, she works in finance remittance and ForEx dealings. I know her pretty well after all the time together. Her Bank where she works was on the other side of the Hotel I stayed. She would stay with me at the Hotel for the entire time I was there, she would walk over to the other side to work and she would come back during lunch time sometime and back after work. All that said, she absolutely may have a past.[/QUOTE]In that case I will withdraw my comment about her.

[QUOTE=MDave1981;2840530]Met a hot freelancer at nana; 1 k St; claimed to be 27 but was probably 32 . Total GFE. Surprisingly spoke decent English. She works in quality control during the day and drives a bmw. Which was surprising. Anyways we did our thing; while leaving I gave her an extra 200 baht as tip: she as happy. She also offered to show me around Bangkok all day tomorrow but I have plans so told her I will take her for dinner at a nice place. She was real sweet but should I be perturbed by the fact that she was ok to show me around? She also mentioned her younger brother is a cop so if am in any trouble I can call her. What do you say guys? Considering her younger bro is a cop, am.

I at risk of being scammed? I did take her out for dinner after I banged her and she was very sweet. No red flags. Also told her am in Bangkok for one night only.[/QUOTE]Red Flag for me would be she Charges only 1,000 baht.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2841177]Aren't Kapoo clubs another option where, yes, you can hire young good looking girls but their typical "no sex" policy limits the sexual activity to Hand Jobs?

Yes, that sounds very similar to the only skin-on-skin contact one can reliably count on with those Fiwfans supermodels. Perhaps an unreliable BBBJ+CIM if you're a long shot bettor. From what I've read and heard from punters who partake in Kapoo clubs and Fiwfans anyway.

For those of us who are in this hobby primarily or almost exclusively for BBFS+CIP and are simply not willing to consider a HJ or masturbating onto a girl's stomach or boobs to be anything remotely like Real Sex, that limitation is too high a price to pay for bragging rights that you paid less and got naked with a better looking girl than the ones actually delivering Real Sex in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy.

Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Have no idea about Kapoo places but never had anything but BBBJ from fiwfans providers. And if CIM is on the menu, it's clearly stated on the profile. I don't need BBFS to consider it "real sex. ".

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2841201]Red Flag for me would be she Charges only 1,000 baht.[/QUOTE]Maybe there's a reason you only get high prices quoted off hot women, no offence.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2840461]Here's full day one report out. Best day I suppose tho we had several good days.

Went to 7-Heaven, not too far a walk away, where again a board member recommended (thanks guys!) where it's tablet format. They show you available girls on the iPad and they are pretty close to pics it turns out. Pricing is 1300 for BBBJ w / CIM standard and they have a few options pretty sure Google maps pics shows price list but it's in Chinese! Funniest is there is small upcharge for COB and COF but CIM is free. Wtf? There is a note on the price list that says 40 minute time limit and one shot. Ok no problem.

I picked a real cutie who seemed in her twenties and was maybe just a bit thick but not problematically so. Beautiful face and lips and what great attentive service. Makes you feel like a king. The rooms are nice and clean and there is a mat bed on the floor. Doesn't seem at all dirty or dicey like say Kasalong. Nice place and worth the 500 baht premium over Lolita's or Kasalong for both facilities and girls, no contest.

Attentive dick wash in the sink and then the BJ was on. On my back for most of it and nice technique. She had nice firm tits I could access from time to time. When it took a long time to finish, we moved to me standing and her on her knees looking up submissively. Hands in her hair and a bit of direction (I like it slow) plenty of BLS and that did the trick. Rewarded her with some nice shots her mouth. Ahhhh, one down.


We spent quite some time marveling at this and just enjoying the vibe and drinking more. I will def say Billboard is very fair no extra drink charges and not continuously pushing girls and girl drinks on you. If it's your thing you can prob just have a drink or two and ogle hotties and go whack off. Damage would be however many 180 baht ($6) drinks you have. That's it. Of course we had other plans.

This reminds me and I know all you pros know this but for the newbies. All the clubs bring a little wooden cup with your bill in it when you order. You don't need to pay right away. Each time you order they will add to it. But make SURE to check your bill esp after first drink and if you get ladies drinks. The less reputable clubs will try to tack shit on. So beware. Had this happen at Red Dragon but not Billboard, Butterflies, Crazy House, or Bunny.

OK. Back to the action. We really enjoyed Billboard. After a drink or two we moved to the revolving stage. I fucking love this. It's a round stage with slots for 12-15 girls at the perimeter. It rotates so you get to see every girl and about every 20 minutes they change out the lineup.

Night one they were wearing white and the camel toe was on point! You are looking up at all these pussies going by, plus make some eye contact if you want to, or just focus eye level and watch black stripper fuck-me heels of all kinds flood past. It's just epic. I could do this for hours. And did! Hahaha.

We eventually decided to check out Butterflies, as it came well recommended also. Very obvious same format, menu, and prices,

Both girls the chemistry was great. Chris's girl was twerking on him and simulating doggie fucking in front of a pile of old Chinese and white dudes just a few feet away. And my girl backs into me, puts my hands on her tits (nice firm be-see cups) and was reaching behind her back and stroking my now hard dick. Ok girls. We get the message you want to fuck. What a coincidence Us too!

We settle up with the mamasan (see other posts which advise against this just pay barfine and then pay girl directly after) and the girls go to change. Chris's pixie is dressed just like his old GF used to and he's a goner. Mine is also sexy AF and we are ready to rumble. We walk most of the way together but Chris grabs a cab for him and his girl since he's a bit farther.

Next up is Bunny where all my best intentions go to hell in a hand basket. The greeter seats me at the first table and before long I am getting the death stare from a very slim hottie in the closest position. Shortly I notice cat ears girl from earlier at the far end of the stage and get the serious doe eyes. Damn. She's hot and seductive. A dangerous combo!

Both girls come join me and I am in a nice Steve sandwich. I am not really in the market tho and particularly not for two. So when the Mamasan comes and asks if I will buy both a drink I think for a sec but then say "no thanks". You might think this is offputting but it's just the opposite. Instead both girls redouble their efforts!

The tiny pixie girl on my right starts massaging my shoulders and back and it's very nice. Not to be out done, cat girl starts massaging my dick! In full view of everyone. I'm not shy so I let her keep on and before long I have a full fledged boner. She's impressed and now with both hands she is pressing my shorts flat to show my full glory and showing her friend how long and thick my dick is. OMG! It's so naughty it's just great. King of the fucking world.

Ok. Fuck. How can I not take this minx! So with apologies to her friend, I bar fine cat girl and we are off (she says later her friend was really sad and wanted me to take her oh well. I've only got one dick. Sorry.).

In the never a dull moment category, as I give the mamasan the bar fine, she points out that this is not Thai currency! It's from another Asian country. LOL. Not to be deterred, they assign the stocky barmaid to escort me to the ATM. It's one of those life experiences when she marches me past security and then goes into the busy street and stops traffic both ways so I can get to the ATM across the street. Thai service rules!

Having settled up, we head to the room where we have a great time. Not quite the same college girl newness passion as the first girl but really quality BJ and sex. I'm prob 8 or so drinks in so can't remember fuck all at this point except that it's perilously hard to finish me.

At some point maybe 40 minutes in I take off the condom to maybe finish by mouth. She does some great BJ but she is determined to finish me so she mounts up bareback! Wow! Super nice in cowgirl and the Steve but no dice. Not even bareback. We try every trick in the book including her BLS and me jacking. Or me jacking and her mouth open and tongue tapping a bit and maybe I slide it in for a few pumps. I mean all amazing stuff but no dice.

Just goes to show these girls are not all hardcore because when I finally pack it in she is so disappointed. I owe her 3000 baht for her part and she is saying she doesn't deserve it all because I didn't cum! Fuck she worked hard. Not her fault, so I gave her the full amount and sent her on her way (not walking back a second time! What a nice girl. Two for two.

And that is the end of day one. Yep. Just one day. Bangkok rules![/QUOTE]Thanks for the comprehensive report will give these bars / clubs a try later in the year.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2841228]Have no idea about Kapoo places but never had anything but BBBJ from fiwfans providers. And if CIM is on the menu, it's clearly stated on the profile. I don't need BBFS to consider it "real sex. ".[/QUOTE]Really? Maybe that was just a mistype.

You never had anything but BBBJ from fiwfans providers? And is that also enough for you to consider it to be "real sex"?

Actually, to be even more specific about it, I would not even consider BBFS rather than BBFS+CIP to be Real Sex if it means the customer complied with the girl's request that he pull out and finish on her stomach, butt or wherever. Or if he chose to pull out and finish that way on his own. More than likely it was masturbation. With convoluted or twisted exception, a sex act is ultimately defined by how it ends and not how it begins.

Yes, I have seen CIM listed on those Fiwfans profiles. Typically for an additional 300-500 baht surcharge.

My point about that was I suspect it is a long shot bet that any of those much better looking than Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy or let's include Lolitas or Kasalong girls Fiwfans supermodels would actually provide a skilled CIM to the final drop without a last second cum dodge, head turn or bailout. Especially considering by then the cost of it with the supermodel's base rate and the CIM surcharge included it will likely be close to 2,000 baht.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2841296]Really? Maybe that was just a mistype.

You never had anything but BBBJ from fiwfans providers? And is that also enough for you to consider it to be "real sex"?

Actually, to be even more specific about it, I would not even consider BBFS rather than BBFS+CIP to be Real Sex if it means the customer complied with the girl's request that he pull out and finish on her stomach, butt or wherever. Or if he chose to pull out and finish that way on his own. More than likely it was masturbation. With convoluted or twisted exception, a sex act is ultimately defined by how it ends and not how it begins.

Yes, I have seen CIM listed on those Fiwfans profiles. Typically for an additional 300-500 baht surcharge.

My point about that was I suspect it is a long shot bet that any of those much better looking than Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy or let's include Lolitas or Kasalong girls Fiwfans supermodels would actually provide a skilled CIM to the final drop without a last second cum dodge, head turn or bailout. Especially considering by then the cost of it with the supermodel's base rate and the CIM surcharge included it will likely be close to 2,000 baht.[/QUOTE]I have no need to skin it or to squirt in a gal to consider it "real sex. " It's simply not important to me at all, in fact I don't skin it because getting any type of STD with the risk of getting a prostate infection at my age is not worth it. I'm in my late 50's and can still pop twice in an hour. And I attribute a lot of this to the fact that I take care of myself. I drink minimally, don't smoke, I'm in the gym 5 days a week, eat a fairly clean diet, and walk several miles a day. So I'm doing everything I can to maintain health and sensitivity. I have friends in their late 60's and early seventies in this country you are still doing one to two gals a day and have no problems using condoms.

And there are a lot of fiwfans gals that have worked overseas including in saunas in Macau, where skill sets must be good, and in Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. I have by far some of my best Bangkok experiences in my 23-year tenure with fiwfans gals. Definitely the top 3 best looking gals I've ever had were fiwfans gals and one was pure PSE filth, minus the BBFS. Also, many of these girls that have worked overseas can actually carry on a conversation and have a little bit of an ability to be erotic and seductive, unlike basically all the GoGo gals I've been with.

The gals at Kas and Lolita's I don't find least bit attractive, I wouldn't let any of them near me to tell you the truth.

As I've gotten older I've become significantly more discriminating when it comes to looks. Flat stomach, no baby (that's the important one), lighter skin, and no hard Isaan look, preferring northern and central gals. And I like a gal who can seduce and perhaps really understands a bit of kink. I've found it all online.

I'll never forget one go go girl who I tried to get to engage in some dirty talk, and she looked at me shocked and said, "I'm a nice girl. " Don't think I've ever laughed so hard at the ability to compartmentalize and disconnect.

Hi all,

I am heading your way next week. Still pretty new to the game, is anyone willing to show me the ropes in exchange for a drink or two in nana? At Steve are you still around at the end of next week?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2841323]I have no need to skin it or to squirt in a gal to consider it "real sex. " It's simply not important to me at all, in fact I don't skin it because getting any type of STD with the risk of getting a prostate infection at my age is not worth it. I'm in my late 50's and can still pop twice in an hour. And I attribute a lot of this to the fact that I take care of myself. I drink minimally, don't smoke, I'm in the gym 5 days a week, eat a fairly clean diet, and walk several miles a day. So I'm doing everything I can to maintain health and sensitivity. I have friends in their late 60's and early seventies in this country you are still doing one to two gals a day and have no problems using condoms.

And there are a lot of fiwfans gals that have worked overseas including in saunas in Macau, where skill sets must be good, and in Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. I have by far some of my best Bangkok experiences in my 23-year tenure with fiwfans gals. Definitely the top 3 best looking gals I've ever had were fiwfans gals and one was pure PSE filth, minus the BBFS. Also, many of these girls that have worked overseas can actually carry on a conversation and have a little bit of an ability to be erotic and seductive, unlike basically all the GoGo gals I've been with.

The gals at Kas and Lolita's I don't find least bit attractive, I wouldn't let any of them near me to tell you the truth.

As I've gotten older I've become significantly more discriminating when it comes to looks. Flat stomach, no baby (that's the important one), lighter skin, and no hard Isaan look, preferring northern and central gals. And I like a gal who can seduce and perhaps really understands a bit of kink. I've found it all online.

I'll never forget one go go girl who I tried to get to engage in some dirty talk, and she looked at me shocked and said, "I'm a nice girl. " Don't think I've ever laughed so hard at the ability to compartmentalize and disconnect.[/QUOTE]Do you also wear a condom for BJs? Just curious given how safe you are about preventing STDs. I also never BBFS. As far as BBBJ, it's kind of a case by case basis for me.

[QUOTE=ThaiNewbie;2841335]Hi all,

I am heading your way next week. Still pretty new to the game, is anyone willing to show me the ropes in exchange for a drink or two in nana? At Steve are you still around at the end of next week?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I left recently. Boo. I did drown my sorrows in an amazing Seeking Arrangements girl I flew to Athens tho!

Happy to provide any / all advice tho. Just PM me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2841323]I'm in my late 50's and can still pop twice in an hour. And I attribute a lot of this to the fact that I take care of myself. I drink minimally, don't smoke, I'm in the gym 5 days a week, eat a fairly clean diet, and walk several miles a day. So I'm doing everything I can to maintain health and sensitivity. I have friends in their late 60's and early seventies in this country you are still doing one to two gals a day and have no problems using condoms.[/QUOTE]In my late 50's I was getting 3 pops with condoms over 3 or 4 hours, I would do that every evening for a week or longer. The condom actually made it better because it prevented me from popping too quickly. Things are different now that I'm about 70, the condom makes it difficult (or impossible) and multiple pops per day are unusual. I now do more exercise and healthier food, but that doesn't make up for the age difference.

Some of us have a choice of BB sex or no sex at all. I'm almost at that point.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2841420]In my late 50's I was getting 3 pops with condoms over 3 or 4 hours, I would do that every evening for a week or longer. The condom actually made it better because it prevented me from popping too quickly. Things are different now that I'm about 70, the condom makes it difficult (or impossible) and multiple pops per day are unusual. I now do more exercise and healthier food, but that doesn't make up for the age difference.

Some of us have a choice of BB sex or no sex at all. I'm almost at that point.[/QUOTE]Definitely becomes a question of health at that point as well. Getting a bad prostate infection as we age can be a real bummer and the after effects of that can really linger. There is nothing good about getting older.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2841436]Definitely becomes a question of health at that point as well. Getting a bad prostate infection as we age can be a real bummer and the after effects of that can really linger. There is nothing good about getting older.[/QUOTE]You are right on the money! Chronic Bacterial Prostatitis (CBP) is lot more easier to progress into than many people at these ages realize. Especially in Thailand and other Asian countries there is a dominance of mutations of E Coli ESBL bacteria that can easily become an UTI due to unsafe or rather adventurous sex practices. At old ages prostates are usually enlarged and thus UTI can easily progress into ABP and from there to CBP (Acute to Chronic Bacterial Prostatitis). These bacterias in Thailand being ESBLs, they are resistant to antibiotics, so the drugs available don't work. Even if the the drugs were sensitive those drugs that develop therapeutic level of concentration in prostate to act are are few and are deadly antibiotics with black box label from US FDA. As an example Livofoxacin, look it up. So net-net, be careful, don't think that just because you did STD test with the girl and everything came back -ve you are good to go with the girl. This is one example that can bring you down big time, there are so many more examples I can go on and on. Sorry to scare you but this is real please be careful while hobbying. People who write all kinds of acronyms describing "real sex" - it is just a matter of time till they get punched on their faces. Love the Mike Tyson's line - "Everyone has a plan until they get punched on their face".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2841436]Definitely becomes a question of health at that point as well. Getting a bad prostate infection as we age can be a real bummer and the after effects of that can really linger. There is nothing good about getting older.[/QUOTE]My Mini Yezhov (and that's really small) works great, but I know my limitations due to back injusries, Arthur-itis, prostate infections (3 years with one of those) and all the other crap you get as the years March on. And I work as much as possible to stay active, hell, I can do the Ho Loop (Nana to Kaslong to Lolitas to Cowboy to Thermae, to 11, to 7/1 back to Nana) sometimes twice, although if I do that and don't select a receptacle, I'm going home LOL.

And I don't select a lot because I generally want what I want. Sometimes its there and sometime it isn't.

I usually pull them out of Thermae. Why? Because for $3 I can have a soda or a drink, the staff and owners treat me like a King after 20 years and I can sit in the air conditioning and watch the virgin Asians in their Quest of Pussy (some of them act like they have never seen a woman before, no wonder the girls love them). Plus if I want something, I can find it. The girls all talk among themselves so I'm almost a celebrity to them. In fact, on Thursday last, I was saying Hi to a new sweetie when one of the Thermae honchos came by and gve me a bro hug. That got some eyes from the new girls. I even have a nickname there (its cute and apropos).

I was really feeling it last Thursday, I kn ew I would be going to Cambo in Friday where even the illusion of hot chicks are lacking (although I pounded a Ruddian expat this weekend, no I'm not marraige material) so just because, I took a girl who I have seen there for 6 years. She looked real good, I said what the hell so I took her. Nice, girl, nice bod, took it like a champ.

Oh did I mention I like Thermae because of the pricing? My pricing, not yours, don't ask. If you live here, you have your ways.

Here is Yezhovs current Rules for First Timers for a Sucessful Trip.

1. Read this forum, go back one year beofre covid and since reopenting. Ignore Covid time.

2. Travel by yourself. Wingmen hinder you.

3. For Indian dudes, if you want to break out of the Indian clubs, Dress like a Westerner, get a Western haircut. Act like a westerner, which means American or British. Don't be walking around with a gaggle of your buddies holding hands or sharing drinks. Act like your nephew whose was born in the USA. Watch Vivek for President videos (goooo Vivek!

4. don't drink too much.

5. When ordering lady drinks, hold your finger up, tell her one, empasize ONE lady drink, nicely and politely. Quite frankly, if you get ripped off, its your fault.

6. don't take tuk tuks anywhere near Suk.

7. don't stay in the Suk sewer UNLESS you are getting 5 star cheap. Get your hotel in Silom (far nice to hang and explore on off days than lower Suk) or Phrom Pong, Ekkamai, etc. The farthest is 120 B.

Taxi. If your girl can't get a taxi outside the club at 3 am, you need a new one.

8. No meter, no go. Easy. Silom khap? 150 baht. Meter. No. Done. Next car or Grab. And avoid the parked taxi mafia, walk 50 meters.

9. don't overplan. No plan survives the first bumping of uglies.

10. If you are here for a week and its your first time, why are you messing with Fiwfans? Thats for oldjes who have forgotten more about GoGos than you will ever know and are tired of them. Get in the gutter and crawl as we all did.

11. If you never smoked weed before, note that 99% of the street table stuff is crap. Get the 300 b per g stuff in a small place, that's enough for you. Don't buy pre-rolls. If you can't roll, go to the Nana beer bar in the weed section and look for an American.

Consider.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2841177]Aren't Kapoo clubs another option where, yes, you can hire young good looking girls but their typical "no sex" policy limits the sexual activity to Hand Jobs?

[/QUOTE]Yes. The Kapoo clubs that I've been to near where I live all have a set entrance fee which gets you 90 minutes of naked B2 B oil massage plus HJ from a young, good looking girl. However, once in the room all extras are usually available after a private negotiation with the girl.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2841436]Definitely becomes a question of health at that point as well. Getting a bad prostate infection as we age can be a real bummer and the after effects of that can really linger. There is nothing good about getting older.[/QUOTE]I envy your and anyone's ability to get it up, keep it up and get it off while wearing a condom. It would definitely make a mongering destination like Thailand smoother sailing.

Similar to Horse Trader, for me it pretty much comes down to either BB sex or no sex at all. But unlike Horse Trader that reality did not set in at or near age 70. It began in my late teens from the first times I had sex.

Yes, I do enjoy a good BBBJ+CIM and am generally fine with accepting that as an alternative. However, that requires a level of skill and expertise that is not very likely to have been developed by a Fiwfans supermodel type or any other girl whose good looks leave almost all others in the dust. Just the way of the world.

So a claim to provide it by such a P4 P girl whether on Fiwfans or anywhere else realistically is met with scepticism by me informed by decades of experience. Instead, I would count on a claim by such a girl to be only partially being true. And probably not the best part. LOL.

Now, I would say my lifestyle and efforts to stay healthy and fit at age 70 and for decades prior mirrors yours:

[QUOTE]And I attribute a lot of this to the fact that I take care of myself. I drink minimally, don't smoke, I'm in the gym 5 days a week, eat a fairly clean diet, and walk several miles a day. So I'm doing everything I can to maintain health and sensitivity. I have friends in their late 60's and early seventies in this country you are still doing one to two gals a day and have no problems using condoms.[/QUOTE]However, it did not result in me being able to have enjoyable and successful sex while wearing a condom. On the other hand, maybe it did contribute to my history of having BBFS+CIP / Real Sex by my definition with thousands of different women around the world, paid and free but mostly paid, for the past 50 years since I began mongering at age 20 without catching a dose of anything requiring medical attention, taking or applying medicine to cure or control it, producing symptoms, showing up in a rigorous physical check up or in infecting any of my thousands of different sex partners with anything since I began this hobby.

Combined with good luck I suppose. And my vasectomy has been effective in preventing an unwanted pregnancy for any girl not already using an effective birth control method.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2841465]I envy your and anyone's ability to get it up, keep it up and get it off while wearing a condom. It would definitely make a mongering destination like Thailand smoother sailing.

Similar to Horse Trader, for me it pretty much comes down to either BB sex or no sex at all. But unlike Horse Trader that reality did not set in at or near age 70. It began in my late teens from the first times I had sex.

Yes, I do enjoy a good BBBJ+CIM and am generally fine with accepting that as an alternative. However, that requires a level of skill and expertise that is not very likely to have been developed by a Fiwfans supermodel type or any other girl whose good looks leave almost all others in the dust. Just the way of the world.

So a claim to provide it by such a P4 P girl whether on Fiwfans or anywhere else realistically is met with scepticism by me informed by decades of experience. Instead, I would count on a claim by such a girl to be only partially being true. And probably not the best part. LOL.

Now, I would say my lifestyle and efforts to stay healthy and fit at age 70 and for decades prior mirrors yours:

However, it did not result in me being able to have enjoyable and successful sex while wearing a condom. On the other hand, maybe it did contribute to my history of having BBFS+CIP / Real Sex by my definition with thousands of different women around the world, paid and free but mostly paid, for the past 50 years since I began mongering at age 20 without catching a dose of anything requiring medical attention, taking or applying medicine to cure or control it, producing symptoms, showing up in a rigorous physical check up or in infecting any of my thousands of different sex partners with anything since I began this hobby.

Combined with good luck I suppose. And my vasectomy has been effective in preventing an unwanted pregnancy for any girl not already using an effective birth control method.[/QUOTE]Have you guys had your testosterone levels tested? That can also have a huge effect on not only drive but function. Maintaining high levels in your 60's and 70's is a big boost and helps ward off some of the effects of aging. And replacement therapy is available here for those who need it. What is considered a normal level in the west is really way too low. I have several friends who have been on it long-term and I will not hesitate once my levels drop low enough.
I actually had to learn to use condoms as before i moved to LOS they were never really needed, mostly due to serial monogamy. Have found a few that are pretty close to skinning it.
As far as BBBJ is concerned yes, not all can do it well off the bat, considering we all like something different a little coaching is sometimes in order.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2841477]Have you guys had your testosterone levels tested? That can also have a huge effect on not only drive but function. Maintaining high levels in your 60's and 70's is a big boost and helps ward off some of the effects of aging. And replacement therapy is available here for those who need it. What is considered a normal level in the west is really way too low. I have several friends who have been on it long-term and I will not hesitate once my levels drop low enough.[/QUOTE]I have it checked every 3 or 4 months and get testosterone therapy accordingly. Occasionally my testosterone level gets too low and I lose all energy for everything, it’s important for more than sex.

For those considering testosterone replacement, I recommend you see a urologist who specializes in this field. I initially got mine from my primary care physician and I now think that starting without expert guidance was a mistake. .

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2840687]Most of the agents list their telegram on the gal's pages. Fiwfans also has their own telegram page which includes quite a few reviews.

Honestly, learning how to navigate this is taking a lot of time and patience, and I don't mind sharing some knowledge with people, but honestly, I kind of expect some good information in return. Learning which agents are good, which ones keep performance standards for their girls, which ones are really farang friendly, and which ones aren't, is a long slow process.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's not really helpful to the forum.

I don't expect anything in return for providing whatever information I can provide, just "paying it forward" as I wouldn't even know about fiwfans if not for SinfullyKorean (if I remember correctly, who again learned from someone else here).

Recently I booked two sessions with fiwfans girls, one hour apart. One was with my first fiwfan girl, and the first time I've booked the same girl twice so far: "Champagne".
The other one was with a girl I've been trying to book for a couple of weeks, but who's always been busy at my chosen time: "Honey".

Both girls are listed as 20 years old, which I think is accurate enough. Both girls look good, Champagne rather on the thin side, while Honey, while still slim, has unusually great boobs and ass for a Thai girl. Honey has tan skin, which I guess is why her rates are lower than several other girls who I think don't look half as good, but who were "blessed" with lighter skin ref. the Thai obsession with light skin.

Both girls very friendly (at least if you're friendly yourself) and good service, to the extent I'm probably going to repeat with Honey too before I depart for farangland.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2841445] Watch Vivek for President videos (goooo Vivek!
[/QUOTE]I realize this is not a political forum but a quick comment. He is certainly a strong republican candidate, yeah Go Vivek! Delighted to see republican diversity this time around, I presume it might bring back a lot of democrat voters.

Hi,

So I am in my mid thirties and have lost both my parents a few years earlier. I work a job in the sub continent which pays the equivalent of 500 USD per month which is peanuts by western standards. Apart from this I have a small but significant amount of inheritance received from the demise of my parents which fuels my mongering. I started out in this hobby about 12 years ago when I was fresh out of college and landed a short time job in DXB. A PRC girl it was that I lost my virginity to at age 21. At present I'm unmarried and very lonely. (never been married or had a GF BTW).

The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.

How do you folks manage to stick to a reasonable budget without breaking the bank and resist temptation versus the body's strong carnal & emotional urges. I find that over the years I turn to mongering more out of loneliness & someone to talk to rather than horniness.

I just don't want to end up at the age of 50 or 60 year old Nearing retirement without any savings left having lost it to this expensive hobby of mongering. I know from wisdom that marriage too is not a solution either as in these times its a very very expensive affair and divorce rates are sky high! I am quite attractive and most girls find me very pleasant but never managed to bag a girl friend over the years.

Hope to have some light on this from older experienced mongers here.

Thank You.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]Hi,

So I am in my mid thirties and have lost both my parents a few years earlier. I work a job in the sub continent which pays the equivalent of 500 USD per month which is peanuts by western standards. Apart from this I have a small but significant amount of inheritance received from the demise of my parents which fuels my mongering. I started out in this hobby about 12 years ago when I was fresh out of college and landed a short time job in DXB. A PRC girl it was that I lost my virginity to at age 21. At present I'm unmarried and very lonely. (never been married or had a GF BTW).

The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.

How do you folks manage to stick to a reasonable budget without breaking the bank and resist temptation versus the body's strong carnal & emotional urges. I find that over the years I turn to mongering more out of loneliness & someone to talk to rather than horniness..[/QUOTE]Wow. Your post seems honest and sorry for your loss. The first thing that crossed my mind is finance. Your cash inflow seems like is one-fourth or less of your mongering expenses assuming you would do these more often unless your inheritance asset has returns are substantial. If I were you I would fuel these things with house money, like investment gains for example. I am almost hitting 50 and I make good money relatively in the Land of Free but I have never spent my hard earned money on mongering. I do however spend a lot on mongering around the world, all of which is from capital gains that I manage myself. Thanks to Wall Street!

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]Hi,

So I am in my mid thirties and have lost both my parents a few years earlier. I work a job in the sub continent which pays the equivalent of 500 USD per month which is peanuts by western standards. Apart from this I have a small but significant amount of inheritance received from the demise of my parents which fuels my mongering. I started out in this hobby about 12 years ago when I was fresh out of college and landed a short time job in DXB. A PRC girl it was that I lost my virginity to at age 21. At present I'm unmarried and very lonely. (never been married or had a GF BTW).

The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.

How do you folks manage to stick to a reasonable budget without breaking the bank and resist temptation versus the body's strong carnal & emotional urges. I find that over the years I turn to mongering more out of loneliness & someone to talk to rather than horniness..[/QUOTE]80 k baht ($2,300) in 4 days? LOL. You're clearly doing something wrong.

If you're on an extremely tight budget, you can easily get by on 2 k baht a day with one ST session included.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2841635]80 k baht ($2,300) in 4 days? LOL. You're clearly doing something wrong.

If you're on an extremely tight budget, you can easily get by on 2 k baht a day with one ST session included.[/QUOTE]80 K baht was all inclusive for the air ticket to and back from BKK, hotel, food, soe shopping & mongering. I stayed at a 5 star hotel. It costed me on average 3400 THB per night.

I'd hit the nuru massage parlours in the day and about 3000 THB was the damage, Night time I would visit a gogo bar at Nana and bar fine somebody- 1 K Bar fine, 3 K to the girl and about 500 THB on drinks and lady drinks = 4500 THB.

Sometimes I'd visit 2 MP during the day.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]
The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.
[/QUOTE]The first thing to do is stop the 4-day trips. You are spending too much time and money getting from your home in India to punting zone in Thailand. Once you get to Thailand, stay longer.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]
The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.
[/QUOTE]The first thing to do is stop the 4-day trips. You are spending too much time and money getting from your home in India to punting zone in Thailand. Once you get to Thailand, stay longer but make fewer trips.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2841445]If you are here for a week and its your first time, why are you messing with Fiwfans? That's for oldies who have forgotten more about Go-Gos than you will ever know and are tired of them. Get in the gutter and crawl as we all did.[/QUOTE]The rest of Mr. Nyezhov's advice is worthwhile, but this one is pure GOLD.

The go-gos in Bangkok should be on every naughty boy's bucket list. A first time visitor owes it to himself to visit Baccara on Soi Cowboy, or one of the Rainbows at Nana Entertainment Plaza. Yes, the go-go scene is more expensive than, say, blowjob bars or girls who work on the street or as freelancers in the bars. Yes, the go-gos on Soi Cowboy that are owned by "the Arab" are clip joints. Yes the EDM is often loud.

But the chance to choose from dozens of girls that you can see live and in person beats staring at your phone. You can buy the girl a drink and get to know her, at least on a superficial level. This beats knocking on the door of a hotel room far off the beaten path and facing a take-it-or-leave-it choice. The go-go scene is about as organized as it gets when it comes to P4 P in BKK. Your companion will be a real woman, she'll have an ID to drop off at your hotel and she knows what's expected of her. In in unlikely event she flakes, you have at least some redress by complaining to the club.

So listen to our pals. They know what they're doing when it comes to getting laid in Bangkok.

Bunky

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]Hi,
At present I'm unmarried and very lonely. (never been married or had a GF BTW).

How do you folks manage to stick to a reasonable budget without breaking the bank and resist temptation versus the body's strong carnal & emotional urges. I find that over the years I turn to mongering more out of loneliness & someone to talk to rather than horniness.

Thank You.[/QUOTE]I think you need to address the root cause which is the loneliness in your day to day life rather than focus on making lingering cheaper. One, this position makes you more vulnerable to people who may maliciously play on your emotions for personal gain and two drowning in P4 P women will be a temporary fix.

Other than the income and location my life story is similar to yours and focusing on your improving day to day life is the most "value. ".

It's ok to say India people. Come on.

Last night Sam Panday part of Ice Poseidon crew of live streamers went to a Thai place to eat Fried Lice. Apparently he got no service and was so hurt he was about to call the Police. Chat came to the conclusion he wasn't served because he look like poor Indian.

Context. He does look like poor Indian. And also does a ton of Nitrous Gas vias Balloons.

I'm not a fan of Racism but hey everyone is Racist. Most just keep it to themselves though.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.[/QUOTE]How does someone even do this?

Airfare: India to Thailand 5 k baht (someone else said you're from India).
Hotels 3 nights at a pretty high end hotel 15 k baht.
Taxis - 1500 baht.
Food at nice restaurants all day for 3 full days 7500 baht.
Girls. Drinks at gogo bars 3 nights 15 k baht.
3 massage girls on Soi 24 in the day - 7500 baht.
3 girls from Thermae at 8 pm - 7500 baht
3 gogo girls for LT - 21 k baht.

Total - 80k baht. Very curious to see your breakdown on spending 80k baht because what I listed above is a dream vacation for almost any of us..

[QUOTE=Vicky Cooper;2841578]I just don't want to end up at the age of 50 or 60 year old Nearing retirement without any savings left having lost it to this expensive hobby of mongering.[/QUOTE]

Then stop cold turkey now. I can guarantee you will be broke AND IN DEBT if you hobby while making 500 USD per month.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2841727]How does someone even do this?

Airfare: India to Thailand 5 k baht (someone else said you're from India).
Hotels 3 nights at a pretty high end hotel 15 k baht.
Taxis - 1500 baht.
Food at nice restaurants all day for 3 full days 7500 baht.
Girls. Drinks at gogo bars 3 nights 15 k baht.
3 massage girls on Soi 24 in the day - 8 k baht.
3 gogo girls for LT - 21 k baht.

Total - 73 k baht. You're spending more than this and this is about as much as anyone I know would be spending in BKK for 4 days, 3 nights.



Then stop cold turkey now. I can guarantee you will be broke AND IN DEBT if you hobby while making 500 USD per month.[/QUOTE]To be fair.

Indians have to pay the Surcharge that most of us don't have too.

Ex. Those Deaf Nana girls probably charge him him 5,000 while others pay 1,100. Who knows.

We need detailed statement s to see what's happening.

Maybe that Nana BTS is charging him 10,000.

Hahaha.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]...The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.

How do you folks manage to stick to a reasonable budget without breaking the bank and resist temptation versus the body's strong carnal & emotional urges...[/QUOTE]When you were preparing for this trip, how much did you plan to spend? Did you have a plan?

Can you break down how much of the 80 k was spent on - (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2841477]Have you guys had your testosterone levels tested? That can also have a huge effect on not only drive but function. Maintaining high levels in your 60's and 70's is a big boost and helps ward off some of the effects of aging. And replacement therapy is available here for those who need it. What is considered a normal level in the west is really way too low. I have several friends who have been on it long-term and I will not hesitate once my levels drop low enough.
I actually had to learn to use condoms as before i moved to LOS they were never really needed, mostly due to serial monogamy. Have found a few that are pretty close to skinning it.
As far as BBBJ is concerned yes, not all can do it well off the bat, considering we all like something different a little coaching is sometimes in order.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Over the years I have checked out several routes to see if higher testosterone, this or that condom, more or less lube in and around the condom, you name it would do the trick to make sex possible while wearing a condom. None worked.

I have never had a problem getting it up, keeping it up and getting it off without a condom. 2 hours of fucking in various positions with proper pacing to give my dick a moment's breather here and there or on the clock to finish in 5 minutes, it has always been up to me how long or how short I want a sex session to go. I have been blessed with that kind of control since my late teens.

A few years ago I decided to try some testosterone level check ups and treatments just to see if it would do anything for me, improve the fun and pleasure and, along the way, see if it made covered sex possible. Got the 90 day shots for almost two years. That resulted in no change in my tesosterone levels, my libido or the condom issue so I discontinued it.

I don't recall what my numbers were and can't say there was any mention of a "Western level" vs an "Asian level. " Seems to me my good level was something like 900 at the start of the treatments and 900 almost two years later at the end. Yes, I think there are two numbers to check but I don't remember both, which or either. I only remember the doctor adminstering the treatments told me my levels would have been above average for a 20 year old, had started and remained in that range and he no longer bothered to send me notifications that it was time to come in for another shot. So I never returned and discontinued the treatments.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2841741]When you were preparing for this trip, how much did you plan to spend? Did you have a plan?

Can you break down how much of the 80 k was spent on - (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included).[/QUOTE]I think at $500/ monthly you have to look at what it may cost you in India for Quality you are getting. In my opinion no comparison. Luckily I am based in USA having migrated in 1970's. SADLY I have aged now, so drinking and partying not possible like before.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2841699]The rest of Mr. Nyezhov's advice is worthwhile, but this one is pure GOLD.

The go-gos in Bangkok should be on every naughty boy's bucket list. A first time visitor owes it to himself to visit Baccara on Soi Cowboy, or one of the Rainbows at Nana Entertainment Plaza. Yes, the go-go scene is more expensive than, say, blowjob bars or girls who work on the street or as freelancers in the bars. Yes, the go-gos on Soi Cowboy that are owned by "the Arab" are clip joints. Yes the EDM is often loud.

But the chance to choose from dozens of girls that you can see live and in person beats staring at your phone. You can buy the girl a drink and get to know her, at least on a superficial level. This beats knocking on the door of a hotel room far off the beaten path and facing a take-it-or-leave-it choice. The go-go scene is about as organized as it gets when it comes to P4 P in BKK. Your companion will be a real woman, she'll have an ID to drop off at your hotel and she knows what's expected of her. In in unlikely event she flakes, you have at least some redress by complaining to the club.

So listen to our pals. They know what they're doing when it comes to getting laid in Bangkok.

Bunky[/QUOTE]I dunno, I went to Nana Plaza the other night, and the selection was not very good.

Crazy House in Soi Cowboy was better, but mostly silicon enhanced MILFs.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]Hi,

So I am in my mid thirties and have lost both my parents a few years earlier. I work a job in the sub continent which pays the equivalent of 500 USD per month which is peanuts by western standards. Apart from this I have a small but significant amount of inheritance received from the demise of my parents which fuels my mongering. I started out in this hobby about 12 years ago when I was fresh out of college and landed a short time job in DXB. A PRC girl it was that I lost my virginity to at age 21. At present I'm unmarried and very lonely. (never been married or had a GF BTW).

The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.

How do you folks manage to stick to a reasonable budget without breaking the bank and resist temptation versus the body's strong carnal & emotional urges. I find that over the years I turn to mongering more out of loneliness & someone to talk to rather than horniness.

I just don't want to end up at the age of 50 or 60 year old Nearing retirement without any savings left having lost it to this expensive hobby of mongering. I know from wisdom that marriage too is not a solution either as in these times its a very very expensive affair and divorce rates are sky high! I am quite attractive and most girls find me very pleasant but never managed to bag a girl friend over the years.

Hope to have some light on this from older experienced mongers here.

Thank You.[/QUOTE]Why do you monger? As a young attractive man, you should focus your energy on dating. $500/ month is about INR 40 K per month. In a major city like Mumbai or Delhi that is indeed peanuts, in a smaller town it would go pretty far. Why not focus on your career and bring up the earnings? Sorry for your loss. In India family support is the most important and it is understandable that you feel lost to some extent. But don't use mongering to escape those emotions. Maybe find some support in extended family. What I am saying in the end is that don't use mongering as an emotional crutch. Your problem seems less finance and more emotional. Work on the root cause and you will be better all around.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2841755]I dunno, I went to Nana Plaza the other night, and the selection was not very good.

Crazy House in Soi Cowboy was better, but mostly silicon enhanced MILFs.[/QUOTE]I doubt you will find 1,000 baht girls within the Confines of Nana Plaza.

If you willing to go 4400 all in well that's another Story.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]Hi,

So I am in my mid thirties and have lost both my parents a few years earlier. I work a job in the sub continent which pays the equivalent of 500 USD per month which is peanuts by western standards. Apart from this I have a small but significant amount of inheritance received from the demise of my parents which fuels my mongering. I started out in this hobby about 12 years ago when I was fresh out of college and landed a short time job in DXB. A PRC girl it was that I lost my virginity to at age 21. At present I'm unmarried and very lonely. (never been married or had a GF BTW).

The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.

How do you folks manage to stick to a reasonable budget without breaking the bank and resist temptation versus the body's strong carnal & emotional urges. I find that over the years I turn to mongering more out of loneliness & someone to talk to rather than horniness.

I just don't want to end up at the age of 50 or 60 year old Nearing retirement without any savings left having lost it to this expensive hobby of mongering. I know from wisdom that marriage too is not a solution either as in these times its a very very expensive affair and divorce rates are sky high! I am quite attractive and most girls find me very pleasant but never managed to bag a girl friend over the years.

Hope to have some light on this from older experienced mongers here.

Thank You.[/QUOTE]I was running into a similar issue where I wanted to hobby less. What I found working was trying to monger less in where I live (where it's plentiful, but expensive) and stick to a budget on any trips abroad where I'm mongering. Of course, easier said than done. What helped is I have two friends that know about my hobby and keep my accountable; and I always try to budget after I jerk one off. Post nut clarity is an amazing thing. I also try to fill my days with a lot of things, so I'm not always thinking about sex.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841666]80 K baht was all inclusive for the air ticket to and back from BKK, hotel, food, soe shopping & mongering. I stayed at a 5 star hotel. It costed me on average 3400 THB per night.

I'd hit the nuru massage parlours in the day and about 3000 THB was the damage, Night time I would visit a gogo bar at Nana and bar fine somebody- 1 K Bar fine, 3 K to the girl and about 500 THB on drinks and lady drinks = 4500 THB.

Sometimes I'd visit 2 MP during the day.[/QUOTE]Have you looked at booking separate flights and accommodation, may work out cheaper. Since flights are roughly between 10 to 15 k.

You can probably go for cheaper accommodation and cut out the 3000 k massage for just a cheaper massage or go to a BJ bar.

You should think about joining a hotel loyalty program if you are a regular visitor. On my next trip to Bangkok I will be staying free on points.

I am from the Sub continent too. First off, 80 K THB is about 2 L INR for a 4 day trip which is really expensive. Even the 5 star does not justify this since Thailand is much cheaper compared to even, Dubai. Flights. Avoid Thai, take Indigo. Timings are inconvenient, but when the company is not paying for it you can lose some sleep. Even better if you get a connection via KL, go for it, sometimes even cheaper on Air Asia. Shop around for tickets. Hotel - 8 K is ok per night for a 5 star, but you can go down to a 3 star one too. Ping some of the girls on MR, sideline and fiwfans and check what hotel they are in. Book the same. Has worked well for me both in BKK and Dubai. MP you seem to have spent on the higher side, look around and bargain, Thermae pick ups might be better since you can avoid some bar fine, etc. And you said you are a young good looking guy. So most of the girls should be agreeable to come with you.

The core problem. Condolences for your loss. Is female company, not sex. Find something you like to do. Working out, running, hiking, photography, etc. Join a local Facebook group, meet new people and girls. Hit some pubs / bars on weekends, meet people. This is not a cheap thrill, you will lose out money since mind does not control your actions if you are desperate.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841666]80 K baht was all inclusive for the air ticket to and back from BKK, hotel, food, soe shopping & mongering. I stayed at a 5 star hotel. It costed me on average 3400 THB per night.

I'd hit the nuru massage parlours in the day and about 3000 THB was the damage, Night time I would visit a gogo bar at Nana and bar fine somebody- 1 K Bar fine, 3 K to the girl and about 500 THB on drinks and lady drinks = 4500 THB.

Sometimes I'd visit 2 MP during the day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]Hi,

So I am in my mid thirties and have lost both my parents a few years earlier. I work a job in the sub continent which pays the equivalent of 500 USD per month which is peanuts by western standards. Apart from this I have a small but significant amount of inheritance received from the demise of my parents which fuels my mongering. I started out in this hobby about 12 years ago when I was fresh out of college and landed a short time job in DXB. A PRC girl it was that I lost my virginity to at age 21. At present I'm unmarried and very lonely. (never been married or had a GF BTW).

The problem is with this expensive hobby of mongering, I end up spending loads of money. My last trip to BKK last month, I spent about 80 K THB in 4 days (hotel, food, air ticket, boom boom all included) which I guess is quite a lot.

How do you folks manage to stick to a reasonable budget without breaking the bank and resist temptation versus the body's strong carnal & emotional urges. I find that over the years I turn to mongering more out of loneliness & someone to talk to rather than horniness.[/QUOTE]Thank you all for the feedback. I'm headed to BKK again September end for 3 nights. Have around 69 K THB to play with. However this time, I booked a cheaper flight on Indigo at 10 K THB. There was Air Asia which was about 9 K Baht but I decided to skip it as it was landing at 4 am in the morning that would imply me waiting in the hotel lobby up until noon for check in. I also booked a cheaper hotel for my upcoming trip this time. 5 K Baht for 3 nights instead of the 17 K Baht I paid earlier on the 5 star hotel.

This time I will be documenting my expenses very closely and try to keep my spending to a max of 10 K THB per day. Fingers crossed.

One reason why I am a bit liberal with money is because I own two flats here in my home country and do not have to pay rent apart from food, groceries & utilities. But that is no excuse in the long run and have to be more prudent with my expenses.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841872]Thank you all for the feedback. I'm headed to BKK again September end for 3 nights. Have around 69 K THB to play with. However this time, I booked a cheaper flight on Indigo at 10 K THB. There was Air Asia which was about 9 K Baht but I decided to skip it as it was landing at 4 am in the morning that would imply me waiting in the hotel lobby up until noon for check in. I also booked a cheaper hotel for my upcoming trip this time. 5 K Baht for 3 nights instead of the 17 K Baht I paid earlier on the 5 star hotel.

This time I will be documenting my expenses very closely and try to keep my spending to a max of 10 K THB per day. Fingers crossed.

One reason why I am a bit liberal with money is because I own two flats here in my home country and do not have to pay rent apart from food, groceries & utilities. But that is no excuse in the long run and have to be more prudent with my expenses.

Cheers![/QUOTE]That is a solid plan. Save on flights and hotels and spend it on girls. Even a top gogo girl is only 4-5 K baht. So you should be good. Add in a BJ at 7 Heaven for 1300 and veggie massage at 500 K and you should still be good!

I have a friend who does Mexico City and he calls it the “eat soup and fuck” plan (ie spend $$ on girls not food! ). Good plan.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]I work a job in the sub continent which pays the equivalent of 500 USD per month which is peanuts by western standards.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841666]I stayed at a 5 star hotel. It costed me on average 3400 THB per night.[/QUOTE]Am I reading this correctly? Your pay is about 500 USD per month and you are spending almost 100 USD per night for your hotel? Surely you jest. There has to be much more to the story that you aren't writing. Living rent-free isn't the only thing.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2841981]Am I reading this correctly? Your pay is about 500 USD per month and you are spending almost 100 USD per night for your hotel? Surely you jest. There has to be much more to the story that you aren't writing. Living rent-free isn't the only thing.[/QUOTE]Yep, I agree this math does not make any sense. Even if you made 20000 USD a month after tax you would not spend like this.

Folks, I am looking for an experience that I have not yet found in BKK. I am looking for a kind of all-inclusive brothel featuring hot pools, cold pools, sauna / steam rooms, massage and of course working girls! The closest I have come is Silom Sauna on Suk Soi 22 which has these features but in a fairly downmarket atmosphere and quality (to be fair their prices are commensurate, so I do still go there). But can I find a more posh spa-cum-*****house? Only the wise folks of ISG know. !

P.S.: I'm OK with soapy massage, but it's not exactly what I am seeking.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2841981]Am I reading this correctly? Your pay is about 500 USD per month and you are spending almost 100 USD per night for your hotel? Surely you jest. There has to be much more to the story that you aren't writing. Living rent-free isn't the only thing.[/QUOTE]You missed this part.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841578]... Apart from this I have a small but significant amount of inheritance received from the demise of my parents which fuels my mongering...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2841872]Thank you all for the feedback. I'm headed to BKK again September end for 3 nights. Have around 69 K THB to play with...[/QUOTE]Is this 69 K your remaining inheritance, or is it the maximum amount that you are prepared to spend on this trip?

Regarding the issue of emotional distress and financial distress set forth below.

1. If you're unhappy in life, Thailand is not going to make you happy.

2. If you want a wife or a long-term partner, you're not going to find it on a street corner on lower Suk.

3. If you wonder constantly about your finances and worry about them, you shouldn't be spending the money.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2842058]Is this 69 K your remaining inheritance, or is it the maximum amount that you are prepared to spend on this trip?[/QUOTE]Of course it's not the last of my inheritance. I still have plenty more left in the bank. It's just the maximum amount I'm ready to spend on this trip. Although in reality I won't spend all of it just taking extra to cover up in case I get stuck or run into an emergency like an accident. It's always good to have more than necessary for an emergency.

Most folks here are just commenting on my income but fail to see the inheritance part. Property plus money. Granted spending lavishly like this would eventually exhaust the inheritance too but that would take a few years more and I'm not going to that extent.

I plan to stop all mongering after this trip and focus on saving up. My next Thailand trip could be after about 5 years and not any time soon.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2842046]Folks, I am looking for an experience that I have not yet found in BKK. I am looking for a kind of all-inclusive brothel featuring hot pools, cold pools, sauna / steam rooms, massage and of course working girls! The closest I have come is Silom Sauna on Suk Soi 22 which has these features but in a fairly downmarket atmosphere and quality (to be fair their prices are commensurate, so I do still go there). But can I find a more posh spa-cum-*****house? Only the wise folks of ISG know. !

P.S.: I'm OK with soapy massage, but it's not exactly what I am seeking.[/QUOTE]FKK in Frankfut, about $1000 rt from BKK.

Hey guys.

Any ideas here?

[QUOTE=Maddy69;2840486]Dear fellas,

Going with my girlfriend to Bangkok this winter and looking for recommendations for some nice and experience as a couple.

My better half is quite open minded and up for everything (yes, quite happy about it) so my task is to plan a sexy trip.

Looking for 3-4 different versions what to try together: Getting or taking an escort to our hotel room (or 2, that was her idea), soaping massage, "normal" happy ending massage and so on. What else would you think of?

Besides of Nana, Cowboy, which places would you recommend?

As we are both beginning of 30 and attractive so we like young, model-type girls beginning of 20's. The price doesn't play a big role, I just want to get us unforgettable memories.

So places can be high-end (maybe Poseidon? It has to be without any time pressure (no BJ bar or ST booking haha) and more in nice environment (I saw places like Termae but I think that one would not be the best place for her in terms of spirit.

Usually we are more into (eastern-) European girls (I guess in BKK you need to hunt for that in normal clubs as usual) but Thai could also be sexy.

Looking forward for your answers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2842069]Regarding the issue of emotional distress and financial distress set forth below.

1. If you're unhappy in life, Thailand is not going to make you happy.

2. If you want a wife or a long-term partner, you're not going to find it on a street corner on lower Suk.

3. If you wonder constantly about your finances and worry about them, you shouldn't be spending the money.[/QUOTE]These are the words of wisdom! It doesn't get any simpler than this.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2842046]Folks, I am looking for an experience that I have not yet found in BKK. I am looking for a kind of all-inclusive brothel featuring hot pools, cold pools, sauna / steam rooms, massage and of course working girls! The closest I have come is Silom Sauna on Suk Soi 22 which has these features but in a fairly downmarket atmosphere and quality (to be fair their prices are commensurate, so I do still go there). But can I find a more posh spa-cum-*****house? Only the wise folks of ISG know. !

P.S.: I'm OK with soapy massage, but it's not exactly what I am seeking.[/QUOTE]Is this Silom Sauna strictly a sauna / steam room? How much is the entrance fee?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2842205]Is this Silom Sauna strictly a sauna / steam room? How much is the entrance fee?[/QUOTE]Silom Sauna is a mini-complex with several hot and cold pools, a sauna, exercise equipment, a relaxation area, food / drink service and an area with massage girls who will take you to a little room with a shower and a bed for massage and of course more. I think the entry fee is around 300-400 baht, plus another 300 baht for the massage room. Plus anything extra you negotiate with the massage girl. BUT. The whole place is pretty run down: think concrete bunker with nearly no charm.

I'm visiting Bangkok only for some few hours and need your advice.

Is there any chance if I can get an erotic massage with FS near the Suvarnabhum airport?

As the connecting flight is just 4 hrs away I don't want to take risk of going in the city so please help.

Assuming you are flying economy. It'll be tight and stressful.

Too many variables. Immigration is the biggest variable. You might take an hour just to clear migration. Suvarnabhumi is huge and there's lots walking. Even getting a taxi can take time. Then a good half hour to one hour to anywhere decent. Consider that time for getting back to the airport and to your flight. That leaves about 30 to 60 but I think that's optimistic.

Or if this isn't the answer your wanted, yes you can but you might miss your flight.

Best sex in bkk is relaxed and not under pressure. Can you change your flight?

[QUOTE=SBlack0070;2842339]I'm visiting Bangkok only for some few hours and need your advice.

Is there any chance if I can get an erotic massage with FS near the Suvarnabhum airport?

As the connecting flight is just 4 hrs away I don't want to take risk of going in the city so please help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2842164]FKK in Frankfut, about $1000 rt from BKK.[/QUOTE]Another venue is the saunas In Macau.

You could try lat krabang but I never saw any places there that could be described as being likely.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2842374]Assuming you are flying economy. It'll be tight and stressful.

Too many variables. Immigration is the biggest variable. You might take an hour just to clear migration. Suvarnabhumi is huge and there's lots walking. Even getting a taxi can take time. Then a good half hour to one hour to anywhere decent. Consider that time for getting back to the airport and to your flight. That leaves about 30 to 60 but I think that's optimistic.

Or if this isn't the answer your wanted, yes you can but you might miss your flight.

Best sex in bkk is relaxed and not under pressure. Can you change your flight?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SBlack0070;2842339]I'm visiting Bangkok only for some few hours and need your advice.

Is there any chance if I can get an erotic massage with FS near the Suvarnabhum airport?

As the connecting flight is just 4 hrs away I don't want to take risk of going in the city so please help.[/QUOTE]Clearing immigration, then going back into TSA will take a couple of hours. You're going to be cutting it close. I wouldn't risk it personally.

I think you are playing it tight, expect immigration chaos / delays while coming out & don't forget the traffic. It took me almost 100-120 minutes to get to the city centre. And buddy if all goes well as per your plan you get only 1-1. 2 hours for action. You'll always be looking at the clock and will get a hurried service. My 2 cents! SL.

[QUOTE=SBlack0070;2842339]I'm visiting Bangkok only for some few hours and need your advice.

Is there any chance if I can get an erotic massage with FS near the Suvarnabhum airport?

As the connecting flight is just 4 hrs away I don't want to take risk of going in the city so please help.[/QUOTE]

Started the morning at 1130 am at the famous Tulip with Dao (legend) and had a good 90 mins with her where we did all positions and she gives good head and finished with her riding cowboy, then went for a nice relaxing lunch at Emporium nearby (next BTS stop) and then proceeded to Daisy Dream for the Nuru Massage.

Daisy Dream (Sukumvit Soi 33) is another type of enjoyment where it is quote nicely decorated at the lounge as you enter. The mamasan will bring the selection of girls for you to choose your preference, which I chose a slightly more busty girl as Nuru needed the right curves to have a full enjoyment. Started with guru massage on the air foam mattress and had one round on the mattress which she offered to CIM if you prefer. We then moved to the jacuzzi where the cleaning and soaping was very relaxing and got you hard again after some time for the next round on the bed. Overall damage was THB5 k and THB1 k as tips as service was very attentive and not rushed. IMHO not a bad deal in the current post pandemic environment where times are bad.

Will return to sample other girls next time.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2842255]Silom Sauna is a mini-complex with several hot and cold pools, a sauna, exercise equipment, a relaxation area, food / drink service and an area with massage girls who will take you to a little room with a shower and a bed for massage and of course more. I think the entry fee is around 300-400 baht, plus another 300 baht for the massage room. Plus anything extra you negotiate with the massage girl. BUT. The whole place is pretty run down: think concrete bunker with nearly no charm.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. Yeah I looked it up, it looks pretty sad hehe. I'll pass. A high end version of this like an FKK would kill in BKK, surprising they haven't popped up.

Messaged on line and immediately got pictures of providers. This kapoo club is really good for English communication. Booked an afternoon visit with a"supermodel" for 6000 bath. Her name was Sunshine. Picture matched less Photoshop discount. Surprisingly her English was decent. Standard massage parlor procedure of bath, BBBJ, capped sex then. Massage. All very well done.

She has fake boobs which I don't like. But she was sweet and she told me 90 percent of the clients are Thai.

Would definitely repeat. Saw some cuter girls there. Did not see any ugly girls. Bangkok traffic made this a 30 minute excursion from Asoke.

[QUOTE=Xnxx1;2842970]Messaged on line and immediately got pictures of providers. This kapoo club is really good for English communication. Booked an afternoon visit with a"supermodel" for 6000 bath. Her name was Sunshine. Picture matched less Photoshop discount. Surprisingly her English was decent. Standard massage parlor procedure of bath, BBBJ, capped sex then. Massage. All very well done.

She has fake boobs which I don't like. But she was sweet and she told me 90 percent of the clients are Thai.

Would definitely repeat. Saw some cuter girls there. Did not see any ugly girls. Bangkok traffic made this a 30 minute excursion from Asoke.[/QUOTE]Location? I'll find that I'm sure as will other old hands, but how about giving us a location for the new guys next time.

[QUOTE=SBlack0070;2842339]As the connecting flight is just 4 hrs away I don't want to take risk of going in the city so please help.[/QUOTE]As others have said, there just isn't enough time. It will take an hour to get out of the airport and a couple of hours to get back in, even if you already have your boarding as security and immigration just have to be done in their own sweet time.

The airport itself is quite nice. Lots of good restaurants that you can have a thai meal and local beer. Pre-Covid, there used to be a legit massage place in the terminal. A good place to get a foot massage and just imagine what could have been.

Another suggestion, and not knowing your situation at all, you can just "miss " your connecting flight. Show up at the gate as the doors are closing and then they will put you on the next flight. Provided the next flight is more than four hours away, you could head out and find a BKK special. Or, when checking in, ask if there is a later flight so you have more time in BKK. Airlines can be quite accommodating sometimes.

[QUOTE=SBlack0070;2842339]I'm visiting Bangkok only for some few hours and need your advice.

Is there any chance if I can get an erotic massage with FS near the Suvarnabhum airport?

As the connecting flight is just 4 hrs away I don't want to take risk of going in the city so please help.[/QUOTE]Change your flight so you have a longer stopover in Thailand.

I used to live in Bangkok during the glory days of Nataree. Those were incredible times, I was there multiple times every week and the selection was abundant and never ending. Perhaps some of the most freshest, most beautiful girls I will ever have the opportunity to meet. So sad that Nataree is gone. La Belle, Colonze 2, and La Defense were occasionally decent too.

I am going to visit Bangkok later this month. I have not been back in Thailand since the pandemic, and I am certain things have changed. I've been reading through the posts here, and it seems like the happy days of the soapies is gone forever.

What's the best way to find fresh talent nowadays? Is it all online through FiwFans and Smoochi? Are there still places with a fishbowl and lineup that has girls in their early twenties?

I've been reading through the posts and it feels like the only good option nowadays is Fiwfans?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2843144]Location? I'll find that I'm sure as will other old hands, but how about giving us a location for the new guys next time.[/QUOTE][URL]https://bangkoknightlife.com/best-kapooclubs/[/URL]

Guess he's talking about Penthouse Spa. Personally never been to any of these kapoo clubs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2843357][URL]https://bangkoknightlife.com/best-kapooclubs/[/URL]

Guess he's talking about Penthouse Spa. Personally never been to any of these kapoo clubs.[/QUOTE]Kapoo Clubs are for asians / locals and farangs who are dumb enough to think this is a thing to do. Obviously this may not be the prevailing opinion. But these clubs aren't for western mongers, they are for asian clients showing face and blowing money on shit you can get cheaper and better elsewhere, just to show off money and pretend some girl isn't just a complete sex worker.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2843366]Kapoo Clubs are for asians / locals and farangs who are dumb enough to think this is a thing to do. Obviously this may not be the prevailing opinion. But these clubs aren't for western mongers, they are for asian clients showing face and blowing money on shit you can get cheaper and better elsewhere, just to show off money and pretend some girl isn't just a complete sex worker.[/QUOTE]Pre covada.

These Kapoo Girls are no better looking than an average Streetwalker.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2841160]F

A lot is changed after Covid; nowadays I try to find my luck again in malls again.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in BKK, I stayed at the Sofitel next to Soi13, so I would hang out inside Terminal 21 for quite sometime, mostly around at or around the Starbucks and food courts. But I could never hit a pulse on finding anyone. I probably don't know the secrets around mall pickup. Some experiences stories in this area may certainly help.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2843411]Last time I was in BKK, I stayed at the Sofitel next to Soi13, so I would hang out inside Terminal 21 for quite sometime, mostly around at or around the Starbucks and food courts. But I could never hit a pulse on finding anyone. I probably don't know the secrets around mall pickup. Some experiences stories in this area may certainly help.[/QUOTE]Be handsome, rich, and Western.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2843411]Last time I was in BKK, I stayed at the Sofitel next to Soi13, so I would hang out inside Terminal 21 for quite sometime, mostly around at or around the Starbucks and food courts. But I could never hit a pulse on finding anyone. I probably don't know the secrets around mall pickup. Some experiences stories in this area may certainly help.[/QUOTE]

I'm no expert, but I think the secret is to just to it. In the beginning you might get shot down 99 out of a hundred times when you approach a girl, but if you keep doing it, like with
swimming, you will become better.

A few days ago I was hanging out outside what is still a nice Thai restaurant in Terminal 21, but I guess they got on tripadvisor or something, so now there's always a wait to get in and it's full of chinese and farang riff-raff.
So I'm just hanging out outside by the escalators, waiting for my queue number to come up and checking something on my phone. Next to me is a rather tall, fine, unusually well dressed asian chick. Around 27-28 years old I guess, playing on her phone. I'm 20 years older, like to think myself handsome, but I know the real truth. ;-) Still, I do like exercise and that has a positive effect, mentally also, that I will recommend anyone.

me: hey. *smile*
she: <looks up> hey.
me: you don't look very Thai. *laughs*
she: no, I'm not. *smiles a bit*
me: can I guess? Japan?
she: no, I'm from Taiwan.
me: ah, how do you like Thailand?
she: it's nice. I like it.
me: me too. Are you staying here for a long time?
she: no, just two days. I'm leaving tomorrow.
me: Oh, that's really short. Why so short?
she: I work for an airline, so I'm just <whatever, I don't remember>. What about you? You've been here a long time?
me: yeah, about a month. But working for an airline, I guess you get to travel a lot then?
she: <yeah, blah blah. Also mentions the country I actually live in, so we talk a little about that too>
me: Hey, I'm going to eat dinner inside this restaurant now, why don't you join me?
she: oh sorry, I can't. I'm just picking up this food <her plastic bags with some stuff in it> for my friends and we will go eat in the hotel together. I'm trying to find them on my phone now.
me: ah, ok. That's bad luck. *smile*
she: yeah, sorry.

<I hear my queue number being called out and start to go>
me: Okey, I'll go to eat now. You have a nice evening then. *smile*
she: thanks, you too. *smile*

Well, nothing good came from interaction as you see, but it was free. Had she been staying here I'd ask about her line/phone number and see if I can meet her some other time, which may or may not have
happened. But she's not, and in a few weeks I'm leaving. My only point with that story is that the more you do things like that, the easier it becomes, and the more success you will have.

You don't need to dive into the deep end of the swimming pool in order to learn swimming. You can start in water that barely reaches your waist. If you want to become better at it, in the beginning you
don't even need to do it with the girls that are actually so hot that you want to meet them again. It will probably even work better, learning-wise, to do it with less pretty girls in the beginning. Just do it with everyone and anyone to get practice and build up your own confidence about talking and
interacting with girls.

It's weird how from time to time someone here would say they miss this and that about Thailand, and how it used to be, such and such place was awesome, but now it's gone, etc. It's interesting in the sense that when you think about*it, it's always brought up by someone, every year, all the time, for years, giving the impression that the best of a mongering destination is always in the past, never in the present. I do that too sometimes, especially with my experiences in Prague, but I'd venture to say someone new to Prague now, if they have a positive experience would say it's the best place ever, etc. And when said person goes back 5 years from now, might not find it the 'same', hence to said person, feels like it's kinda downhill. In the same way that for someone who experienced Prague in the 90's or early 2000's would be disappointed by it if they went the same time I did back in the early 2010's. Yet for me it was mind blowing. For me though, the last few trips to Bangkok I've had, spread across 30 years, the experiences got better with*each trip. But for me it's because I changed my gameplan for each trip. Yes, there might be a place or two I miss about Bangkok as well, but compared to many hobbying destinations around the world, I'd dare say Bangkok always surprises me with the new places that pop up, as opposed to many european destinations where most establishments are closing shop. The only thing that everyone has right about the past, is yes, it was absolutely cheaper and way more affordable then, even with inflation factored in. There's no way around that, everything is just pricey these days. Kinda ridiculously so. I'm old now, and I feel for younger people, the world they are inheriting. We really fucked shit up for them. But who cares right? We'll be dead soon anyway, not our problem anymore. *.

All that being said, and with how argumentative folks then to be here, I still appreciate the info that comes out, though I'm not hobbying now, whenever I do, I try to give back with info in return. That's why when I stroll over to other parts of the forum, like in the Manila pages, it's always a bit disheartening to look through dozens of pages and hardly a single salient bit of info is imparted by anyone. It's just weirdly a lot of inane stuff. Why are we here gentlemen? Sure, a lot of trolling, and insulting each other is par for the course, everyone is brave when anonymity is the name of the game, but it's to provide info, feedback and maybe, just maybe even a little bit of moral support. It's weird how tough it is to find good, reliable, up to date information on the Manila scene. Call me boring, but that's why I stick to tried and true places like Prague, Bangkok, Singapore, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, etc. But finances being what they are these days, it's got to be Thailand from now on. *.

Thanks to someone on another forum, I've discovered the quality talent of BKK Happy massage have not disappeared, they've moved on to another spot. I wish I discovered that sooner, not that I can go anytime soon, but by God, it's making me really want to get on a plane so I can experience Noey and Haru again. Haru goes by a different name at the new place, but Noey is still Noey and her popularity shows, she's only available for outcalls at that place. I like to think I had a little something to do with that as I had reported on how awesome she is on multiple forums. I'm not a greedy fella, we should all share and talent like her doesn't stay secret for long. It's not like we're going to put a ring on it. All that being said though, I still prefer girls who'll let me CIM. On my last trip to Bangkok, I found 3 who would with me consistently. *.

Also, do you fellas notice that there's been an uptick on bareback availability in some of the places in Bangkok? Advertised as such on their websites too. I don't want to get into a debate on the merits and pitfalls of it all, to each his own, I'm just saying I'm noticing it. Anybody else notice it? I've been offered bareback from escorts and girls from time to time in my trips to Bangkok as well, I'm sure everyone has, but that it's being mentioned on websites of some massage places, that's kinda unusual. I would kinda expect it in some Austrian laufhauses, they say as much, but on the websites of some massage places in Bangkok. That seems to be new. There's one relatively new joint that says as much on their website, those of you in the know, know. I won't lie to ya fellas, in the heat of the moment, I've been tempted. I suppose it's more prevalent these days with prep and all that, but still. I don't know. Then again, I'm old, so what the hell right? Again, no judgment here, to each his own. *.

Stay safe, and happy fucking out there. And to all the fellas that got to retire in South East Asia, I wish I can do it too. Don't complain too much ok? You're in paradise and most guys would kill to have even a moment of what you've got. *.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2843619] but Noey is still Noey and her popularity shows, she's only available for outcalls at that place. I like to think I had a little something to do with that as I had reported on how awesome she is on multiple forums. I'm not a greedy fella, we should all share and talent like her doesn't stay secret for long. It's not like we're going to put a ring on it.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I don't want to break your good mood or sound like an *ss because you put a lot of effort in writing your reports and sharing your experiences last year, but the reality might be the opposite of what you'are wishing for.

I don't know where she is working right now and have no clue if she is popular or not, but I went two times in happybkk a few weeks after your reports from last year and she was available both times, I didn't even pick her (too short and looked a bit old, but she looked like a nice girl), the first time I remember they were only two girls in the line-up (a Monday evening).

My point is she didn't look to be that popular only a few weeks after your (excellent) reports, so I wouldn't go and believe that your reports from last year made her too popular and unavailable right now.

The fact she does only outcall can mean a lot of things, I wouldn't jump on the conclusion that it is because of her popularity.

Hey all,

I'll be flying in to Bangkok, staying one day and one night, then flying out to Phuket the next day.

Wondering what's the best way to maximize the 24 hours or so.

Prefer younger, pretty, non-professional girls, but definitely looking for full service.

I'm young enough, good looking enough, and with enough cash to maximize the experience for whatever opportunities might exist.

Appreciate it in advance!

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2843619]
Also, do you fellas notice that there's been an uptick on bareback availability in some of the places in Bangkok? Advertised as such on their websites too. I don't want to get into a debate on the merits and pitfalls of it all, to each his own, I'm just saying I'm noticing it. Anybody else notice it? I've been offered bareback from escorts and girls from time to time in my trips to Bangkok as well, I'm sure everyone has, but that it's being mentioned on websites of some massage places, that's kinda unusual. I would kinda expect it in some Austrian laufhauses, they say as much, but on the websites of some massage places in Bangkok. That seems to be new. There's one relatively new joint that says as much on their website, those of you in the know, know. I won't lie to ya fellas, in the heat of the moment, I've been tempted. I suppose it's more prevalent these days with prep and all that, but still. I don't know. Then again, I'm old, so what the hell right? Again, no judgment here, to each his own*.[/QUOTE]It's not just Bangkok, but see a huge uptick in the US as well. Many agencies now advertising and with the upcharge the girls are cashing in. One spa I'm a regular and the one girl I know is now offering and when I asked what changed her mind she said guys seem to be giving the business to the BBFS girls and not her as much and she needs the business.

Also with the advent of Prep, pharmaceutical cocktails if you do contract hiv, now a cure for HepC and the latest they are saying a heavy dose of doxycycline the morning after can help prevent other STD's.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2843619]It's weird how from time to time someone here would say they miss this and that about Thailand, and how it used to be, such and such place was awesome, but now it's gone, etc. It's interesting in the sense that when you think about*it, it's always brought up by someone, every year, all the time, for years, giving the impression that the best of a mongering destination is always in the past, never in the present. I do that too sometimes, especially with my experiences in Prague, but I'd venture to say someone new to Prague now, if they have a positive experience would say it's the best place ever, etc. And when said person goes back 5 years from now, might not find it the 'same', hence to said person, feels like it's kinda downhill. In the same way that for someone who experienced Prague in the 90's or early 2000's would be disappointed by it if they went the same time I did back in the early 2010's. Yet for me it was mind blowing. For me though, the last few trips to Bangkok I've had, spread across 30 years, the experiences got better with*each trip. But for me it's because I changed my gameplan for each trip. Yes, there might be a place or two I miss about Bangkok as well, but compared to many hobbying destinations around the world, I'd dare say Bangkok always surprises me with the new places that pop up, as opposed to many european destinations where most establishments are closing shop. The only thing that everyone has right about the past, is yes, it was absolutely cheaper and way more affordable then, even with inflation factored in. There's no way around that, everything is just pricey these days. Kinda ridiculously so. I'm old now, and I feel for younger people, the world they are inheriting. We really fucked shit up for them. But who cares right? We'll be dead soon anyway, not our problem anymore. *.

All that being said, and with how argumentative folks then to be here, I still appreciate the info that comes out, though I'm not hobbying now, whenever I do, I try to give back with info in return. That's why when I stroll over to other parts of the forum, like in the Manila pages, it's always a bit disheartening to look through dozens of pages and hardly a single salient bit of info is imparted by anyone. It's just weirdly a lot of inane stuff. Why are we here gentlemen? Sure, a lot of trolling, and insulting each other is par for the course, everyone is brave when anonymity is the name of the game, but it's to provide info, feedback and maybe, just maybe even a little bit of moral support. It's weird how tough it is to find good, reliable, up to date information on the Manila scene. Call me boring, but that's why I stick to tried and true places like Prague, Bangkok, Singapore, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, etc. But finances being what they are these days, it's got to be Thailand from now on. *.

Thanks to someone on another forum, I've discovered the quality talent of BKK Happy massage have not disappeared, they've moved on to another spot. I wish I discovered that sooner, not that I can go anytime soon, but by God, it's making me really want to get on a plane so I can experience Noey and Haru again. Haru goes by a different name at the new place, but Noey is still Noey and her popularity shows, she's only available for outcalls at that place. I like to think I had a little something to do with that as I had reported on how awesome she is on multiple forums. I'm not a greedy fella, we should all share and talent like her doesn't stay secret for long. It's not like we're going to put a ring on it. All that being said though, I still prefer girls who'll let me CIM. On my last trip to Bangkok, I found 3 who would with me consistently. *.

Also, do you fellas notice that there's been an uptick on bareback availability in some of the places in Bangkok? Advertised as such on their websites too. I don't want to get into a debate on the merits and pitfalls of it all, to each his own, I'm just saying I'm noticing it. Anybody else notice it? I've been offered bareback from escorts and girls from time to time in my trips to Bangkok as well, I'm sure everyone has, but that it's being mentioned on websites of some massage places, that's kinda unusual. I would kinda expect it in some Austrian laufhauses, they say as much, but on the websites of some massage places in Bangkok. That seems to be new. There's one relatively new joint that says as much on their website, those of you in the know, know. I won't lie to ya fellas, in the heat of the moment, I've been tempted. I suppose it's more prevalent these days with prep and all that, but still. I don't know. Then again, I'm old, so what the hell right? Again, no judgment here, to each his own. *.

Stay safe, and happy fucking out there. And to all the fellas that got to retire in South East Asia, I wish I can do it too. Don't complain too much ok? You're in paradise and most guys would kill to have even a moment of what you've got. *.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.happy-bkk.com/booking%ef%bc%86rates/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2843505]Be handsome, rich, and Western.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestions but you do realize that these are all attributes someone possesses inherently not necessarily controllable (That said, I believe it is the presentation, confidence and the way you channel a conversation is what really matters. How to identify a target in a Mall is what I guess is the point of my question. Let's assume the person in question looks enough rich, western etc. Thanks again for the suggestions.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2843608]I'm no expert, but I think the secret is to just to it. In the beginning you might get shot down 99 out of a hundred times when you approach a girl, but if you keep doing it, like with
swimming, you will become better.

A few days ago I was hanging out outside what is still a nice Thai restaurant in Terminal 21, but I guess they got on tripadvisor or something, so now there's always a wait to get in and it's full of chinese and farang riff-raff.
So I'm just hanging out outside by the escalators, waiting for my queue number to come up and checking something on my phone. Next to me is a rather tall, fine, unusually well dressed asian chick. Around 27-28 years old I guess, playing on her phone. I'm 20 years older, like to think myself handsome, but I know the real truth. ;-) Still, I do like exercise and that has a positive effect, mentally also, that I will recommend anyone.

me: hey. *smile*
she: <looks up> hey.
me: you don't look very Thai. *laughs*
she: no, I'm not. *smiles a bit*
me: can I guess? Japan?
she: no, I'm from Taiwan.
me: ah, how do you like Thailand?
she: it's nice. I like it.
me: me too. Are you staying here for a long time?
she: no, just two days. I'm leaving tomorrow.
me: Oh, that's really short. Why so short?
she: I work for an airline, so I'm just <whatever, I don't remember>. What about you? You've been here a long time?[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience, this is really helpful! I personally envy all those people who are able to live there for month (s) at a stretch, you guys are all my hero and frankly my inspiration May be someday after I retire, I can do that also, buy a condo etc. But by then I will cross 60 . Yikes!

My whole point is that hunting at a Mall is time consuming like really seriously time consuming. People like me, who stay there for at the most a week or slightly more have to have a winning probability of 80% or higher or else the time is not well spent or I other words as they say Opportunity cost is much high. LOL.

That said, I think I am going to try next time to initiate a conversation and probably have some time aside, if it works great if not move in with other plans.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2843619]....
Also, do you fellas notice that there's been an uptick on bareback availability in some of the places in Bangkok? Advertised as such on their websites too. I don't want to get into a debate on the merits and pitfalls of it all, to each his own, I'm just saying I'm noticing it. Anybody else notice it? I've been offered bareback from escorts and girls from time to time in my trips to Bangkok as well, I'm sure everyone has, but that it's being mentioned on websites of some massage places, that's kinda unusual. I would kinda expect it in some Austrian laufhauses, they say as much, but on the websites of some massage places in Bangkok. That seems to be new. There's one relatively new joint that says as much on their website, those of you in the know, know.
...[/QUOTE]No, I haven't noticed Bareback as in BBFS or BBFS+CIP being advertised right on a P4 P service venue's website. That would be a major breakthrough and advancement in advertised offerings in the Thai P4 P market. Right up there with legalized cannabis shops popping up on every soi in the weed market.

I have only seen one escort service brave and into satisfying the market customer's desires enough to include CUM SWALLOWING in the Extra Services offerings as chosen by the escorts willing to offer it:

[URL]www.bangkokescortservice.com[/URL]

Tap on the providers' profiles and you will occasionally find that service provided by some of the girls under "My Extra Services".

Now that I have shared that site and info, do you care to share the sites and info where you see Bareback advertised as a service available? Contrary to how it might be when a provider discreetly offers it to you privately, you would be doing a venue a favor by spreading the word here. Obviously, they wouldn't advertise it online if they wanted it to be kept secret.

Free Hot Girls.

1. Observe a Girl of your fancy shopping for a GUCCI bag, say $500.

You casually swoop in and offer to buy it for her. You in BRO.

FREE. Hahaha. Worked for my 80 old Buddy.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2843619]
Thanks to someone on another forum, I've discovered the quality talent of BKK Happy massage have not disappeared, they've moved on to another spot. I wish I discovered that sooner, not that I can go anytime soon, but by God, it's making me really want to get on a plane so I can experience Noey and Haru again.
[/QUOTE]What place is that?

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2843619]
All that being said though, I still prefer girls who'll let me CIM. On my last trip to Bangkok, I found 3 who would with me consistently. *.

Also, do you fellas notice that there's been an uptick on bareback availability in some of the places in Bangkok? Advertised as such on their websites too. I don't want to get into a debate on the merits and pitfalls of it all, to each his own, I'm just saying I'm noticing it. Anybody else notice it? I've been offered bareback from escorts and girls from time to time in my trips to Bangkok as well, I'm sure everyone has, but that it's being mentioned on websites of some massage places, that's kinda unusual. I would kinda expect it in some Austrian laufhauses, they say as much, but on the websites of some massage places in Bangkok. That seems to be new. There's one relatively new joint that says as much on their website, those of you in the know, know. I won't lie to ya fellas, in the heat of the moment, I've been tempted. I suppose it's more prevalent these days with prep and all that, but still. I don't know. Then again, I'm old, so what the hell right? Again, no judgment here, to each his own. *.
[/QUOTE]Many of the fiwfans girl will do CIM for a upcharge spelled out on their profile (400 baht seems to be the standard extra cost), so as long as you're willing to pay that I think you'll get it.

There are also some "agencies" who seem to kind of specialise in girls who do BB FS. Sometimes tempting, and this year I've relaxed my stance on that a lot as far as regular (non-p4p) girls are concerned, but I'm not there yet with p4p girls.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2843756]What place is that?

[/QUOTE]A quick search online led me to find it here: [URL]https://smilebangkak.com/[/URL].

You can see several of the ladies formerly of HappyBKK on the site.

Does anyone know where Jasmine from HappyBKK is now? She was amazing to me and I actually preferred her over Noey.

A month ago or so there was a question about Alice, who is now listed on Smile's website. I wanted to let the poster know they were wise to avoid her. Her pictures look amazing, and to be fair she does look great at first in person. But she has the biggest unkempt Bush I've witnessed in Thailand, and there is some of the dreaded fish smell from her. She is also inseparable from her phone, even in bed.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2843619]It's weird how from time to time someone here would say they miss this and that about Thailand, and how it used to be, such and such place was awesome, but now it's gone, etc. It's interesting in the sense that when you think about*it, it's always brought up by someone, every year, all the time, for years, giving the impression that the best of a mongering destination is always in the past, never in the present. I do that too sometimes, especially with my experiences in Prague, but I'd venture to say someone new to Prague now, if they have a positive experience would say it's the best place ever, etc. And when said person goes back 5 years from now, might not find it the 'same', hence to said person, feels like it's kinda downhill. In the same way that for someone who experienced Prague in the 90's or early 2000's would be disappointed by it if they went the same time I did back in the early 2010's. Yet for me it was mind blowing. ..[/QUOTE]"Stay safe, and happy fucking out there. And to all the fellas that got to retire in South East Asia, I wish I can do it too. Don't complain too much ok? You're in paradise and most guys would kill to have even a moment of what you've got."

It must be quite the life for guys who can live in SEA and / or retire there. I could only imagine what it would be like to live in Thailand in my 20's and play the dating and monger game. It's been about ten months now since I was in Thailand and I miss it dearly. Ten months of blue balls. I plan to return in a few weeks and can't wait. The fact that upon landing, within two hours, one can be shooting a pent up load in a ladies mouth for around $25 is sometimes hard to believe even for someone like me who has been to Thailand three times prior.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2843731]No, I haven't noticed Bareback as in BBFS or BBFS+CIP being advertised right on a P4 P service venue's website. That would be a major breakthrough and advancement in advertised offerings in the Thai P4 P market. Right up there with legalized cannabis shops popping up on every soi in the weed market.

I have only seen one escort service brave and into satisfying the market customer's desires enough to include CUM SWALLOWING in the Extra Services offerings as chosen by the escorts willing to offer it:

[URL]www.bangkokescortservice.com[/URL]

Tap on the providers' profiles and you will occasionally find that service provided by some of the girls under "My Extra Services".

Now that I have shared that site and info, do you care to share the sites and info where you see Bareback advertised as a service available? Contrary to how it might be when a provider discreetly offers it to you privately, you would be doing a venue a favor by spreading the word here. Obviously, they wouldn't advertise it online if they wanted it to be kept secret.[/QUOTE]I mentioned one escort service where Cum Swallowing occasionsally shows up on a girl"s profile as an available extra service. Then I was reminded of another one:

[URL]https://www.bkkescortservice.com/[/URL]

IMO, that one handles the available services best; they simply include Cum Swallowing on the list of possible services available in the "by extra services" provider search drop down menu and leave it entirely up to each girl to either check that option to add to her list of provided services or not. Same as Cum On Face, DATY, Ass Rimming, whatever. And that makes at least two escort services that openly advertise that particular service on their website if the girl chooses to openly offer it.

However, I have not yet seen any Thai P4 P venue openly advertise the availability of Bareback Sex, as in BBFS or BBFS+CIP, as Newton York mentioned. Has anyone else?

I would be very impressed to find some that do because that would be a Game Changing Evolutionary Advancement in the Thai P4 P scene similar to the sudden appearance of that giant black monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey. LOL.

Cue the low, opening strains of "Thus Sprach Zarathustra"!

Do girls working as Independents and massage parlors get regularly tested for STD like HIV and all?

Ok just a general question- if you have done Thailand and Phillippines to death what country / city come next for value mongering in SEA? PhnonnPenn / Siem Reep / Shinookville Cambodia? Jakarta? Bali what about Batam? HCM & Nha Trang, the Nang etc? Worth looking at Laos or Burma? Just a quick reply and why please or why not.

Though putting the q here would get most coverage of experienced SEA punters.
Apologies if wrong place.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2843948]Ok just a general question- if you have done Thailand and Phillippines to death what country / city come next for value mongering in SEA? PhnonnPenn / Siem Reep / Shinookville Cambodia? Jakarta? Bali what about Batam? HCM & Nha Trang, the Nang etc? Worth looking at Laos or Burma? Just a quick reply and why please or why not.

Though putting the q here would get most coverage of experienced SEA punters.
Apologies if wrong place.[/QUOTE]Hi I'm here in Siem Reap, if you don't actually live here, forget it. Bar Girls: Fuglies. Worn. Hotties out at the KTVs $50-100, inexperienced with Westerners.

[QUOTE=Colin3124;2843797]A quick search online led me to find it here: [URL]https://smilebangkak.com/[/URL].

You can see several of the ladies formerly of HappyBKK on the site.

Does anyone know where Jasmine from HappyBKK is now? She was amazing to me and I actually preferred her over Noey.

A month ago or so there was a question about Alice, who is now listed on Smile's website. I wanted to let the poster know they were wise to avoid her. Her pictures look amazing, and to be fair she does look great at first in person. But she has the biggest unkempt Bush I've witnessed in Thailand, and there is some of the dreaded fish smell from her. She is also inseparable from her phone, even in bed.[/QUOTE]The girls are here today and gone tomorrow and if they are here they have a different name. This constant "where is she" serves no purpose, and if a chcik has a hairy Bush and a sinky, ask for a new one or throw her out.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2843948]Ok just a general question- if you have done Thailand and Phillippines to death what country / city come next for value mongering in SEA? PhnonnPenn / Siem Reep / Shinookville Cambodia? Jakarta? Bali what about Batam? HCM & Nha Trang, the Nang etc? Worth looking at Laos or Burma? Just a quick reply and why please or why not.

Though putting the q here would get most coverage of experienced SEA punters.
Apologies if wrong place.[/QUOTE]Jakarta. No contest there.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2843948]Ok just a general question- if you have done Thailand and Phillippines to death what country / city come next for value mongering in SEA? PhnonnPenn / Siem Reep / Shinookville Cambodia? Jakarta? Bali what about Batam? HCM & Nha Trang, the Nang etc? Worth looking at Laos or Burma? Just a quick reply and why please or why not.

Though putting the q here would get most coverage of experienced SEA punters.
Apologies if wrong place.[/QUOTE]Hiyo New Image. I been to Thai many times especially Pattaya and I live in PI. Been a few times to Phnom Penh, Siem Reap, Jakarta, Bali, HCM many times and Nha Trang. Out of these my choice for good bang for your buck (after PI and TH especially Pattaya) is Jakarta. But then again I have a big boob fetish and the Indonesians are more amply endowed on top than most other countries in SEA. Outside SEA my top choice is the Dominican Republic aka Land of the Big Boobs. Been there 16 X in the last 16 years. A lot of guys swear to Rio and Sao Paulo but I haven't found cheap flights there. Of course one can have a good time in any country with a little effort, cash and luck. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2843756]What place is that?


However, I have not yet seen any Thai P4 P venue openly advertise the availability of Bareback Sex, as in BBFS or BBFS+CIP, as Newton York mentioned. Has anyone else?

I would be very impressed to find some that do because that would be a Game Changing Evolutionary Advancement in the Thai P4 P scene similar to the sudden appearance of that giant black monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey. LOL.

Cue the low, opening strains of "Thus Sprach Zarathustra"![/QUOTE]Have a look at the description for Haru under "Girls Working Today" here [URL]https://smilebangkak.com/girls/[/URL].

It says "Can do no condom+special".

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2843720]
My whole point is that hunting at a Mall is time consuming like really seriously time consuming. People like me, who stay there for at the most a week or slightly more have to have a winning probability of 80% or higher or else the time is not well spent or I other words as they say Opportunity cost is much high. LOL.

That said, I think I am going to try next time to initiate a conversation and probably have some time aside, if it works great if not move in with other plans.[/QUOTE]No doubt it's time consuming. But there is no need to wait till you're back in Thailand before doing that, so unless you're living in a muslim country (if I remember correctly, you live in the USA, no?) it's much better to start practicing wherever you are now, though granted, ratio of success is much lower for me in the west now (the girls I like now are the same girls I liked when I was twenty, but I'm not twenty anymore, and age difference is still a much less important thing here in Thailand than in the west).

I'm a big fan of something called the three second rule myself (google: three second rule pick up). This is without doubt one of those things us regular, perhaps more or less introverted, guys just have to force ourselves to do if we want to have any chance of improving.

Guys,

Any MP / agents has Chinese / Japanese birds in Bangkok / Pattaya?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2843886]I mentioned one escort service where Cum Swallowing occasionsally shows up on a girl"s profile as an available extra service. Then I was reminded of another one:

[URL]https://www.bkkescortservice.com/[/URL]

IMO, that one handles the available services best; they simply include Cum Swallowing on the list of possible services available in the "by extra services" provider search drop down menu and leave it entirely up to each girl to either check that option to add to her list of provided services or not. Same as Cum On Face, DATY, Ass Rimming, whatever. And that makes at least two escort services that openly advertise that particular service on their website if the girl chooses to openly offer it.

However, I have not yet seen any Thai P4 P venue openly advertise the availability of Bareback Sex, as in BBFS or BBFS+CIP, as Newton York mentioned. Has anyone else?

I would be very impressed to find some that do because that would be a Game Changing Evolutionary Advancement in the Thai P4 P scene similar to the sudden appearance of that giant black monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey. LOL.

Cue the low, opening strains of "Thus Sprach Zarathustra"![/QUOTE]I have seen few on FiWfans [URL]https://fiwfans.vip/sideline/406raedsfldwi9cix[/URL].

[QUOTE=Colin3124;2843797]A month ago or so there was a question about Alice, who is now listed on Smile's website. I wanted to let the poster know they were wise to avoid her. Her pictures look amazing, and to be fair she does look great at first in person. But she has the biggest unkempt Bush I've witnessed in Thailand, and there is some of the dreaded fish smell from her. She is also inseparable from her phone, even in bed.[/QUOTE]You have inadvertently given me a recommendation. I am always on the lookout for big Bush girls (my particular fetish). The phone usage and possible fishiness are a worry though.

BTW if anyone is looking for a small bar with a chilled vibe and 70's to 80's music that doesn't blow up your eardrums, try Sexy Night in Nana Plaza. A good place for a bit of a mood change from the full on-ness of Billboard.

These people sell their body for money. Consider their financial situation and other conditions. Do you think they have time, money and patience to get these things done? Also many of them does this work without their family knowing it. So, I am sure most of them won't get tested.

[QUOTE=NinjaGoku;2843928]Do girls working as Independents and massage parlors get regularly tested for STD like HIV and all?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NinjaGoku;2843928]Do girls working as Independents and massage parlors get regularly tested for STD like HIV and all?[/QUOTE]Shop requires them to, but as everything in Thailand, many girls purchase the result without doing the tests.

Disclaimer: This post doesn't mean to offend anyone of caste, creed, colour or religion. It is based on my personal experience and observations as an Indian tourist mongering in Bangkok. Sent from phone: please excuse, brevity and any typos.

So I have been long wanting to travel to Bangkok from India for obvious reasons and made full use of this forum to find best massage parlours, go-go bars and of course the most suited accommodation. I am returning today as I type this post and here's what I learnt that maybe more relevant and useful for fellow Indians and Bangladeshis whom I saw in good numbers.

My Stay: After doing a thorough research I booked my stay in Ruamchitt Plaza hotel which is close to Asoke (Soi Cowboy) and Nana Plaza famous for bars like Spankey's where girls dance topless showing attractive breasts. Positives of Ruamchitt was that the hotel was clean and I only paid 5000 baht for 4 nights including breakfast. Of course the famous Thermae bar is sitting right at the bottom of the hotel. To add, hotel is close to Terminal 21 if one needs to shop and to many eateries where one can find all kinds of food including Indian options. There is a currency exchange counter right at the entrance of the hotel offering best exchange rate on dollar (35.13 baht) when I left.

Day 1: I reach the hotel by 6.30 in the evening though my Indigo flight landed Suvarnabhumi around 4. 30 pm. I had applied for E-Visa on Arrival so that was time saving. I had made bookings for KK at Wonder Massage when my flight was taking off from India. Earlier, I also tried to book Pam from Doki Doki, Kitty from Bunny Massage and Alice from Momo massage but heard from their managers that these girls were away. Coordination and booking with Wonder Massage happened over line app and it was a breeze.

So finally, there I am at Wonder Massage (8 minutes walk from my hotel) and I greet KK who is dark and attractive with amazing natural figure and big curvy boobs with perfect pointy nipples (kind I like). I booked Nuru Massage for 3000 baht for 60 minutes but the Jacuzzi was not worth it. The boob rub on the back felt nice but I should have taken a standard room just to enjoy this girl and that would have saved 500-700 baht for me. Sex was amazing because I was instantly attracted to her and I kind of eased her into a conversation as suggested by a fellow monger which opened the communication doors for us. She speaks broken English but it's much better than many Thai girls and she can be very chatty once you start asking her questions. But make sure to strike the right balance because she herself said she is a lazy person and at times she would stop massaging and only chitchat. Her massage wasn't great but f**ing her was. So that should be your sole aim.

After a long journey and having a good time I thought I will crash but I was amazed with my own stamina and will to explore so next I walked to Nana Plaza. I had heard about the girls dancing topless in Spankey's so I only entered there though there were options like Billboard and Butterfly. Got a drink for 200 baht and liked one of the dancing girls. So asked the waitress to call her and sit in the last row corner seat. Spankey's is a small bar and the there's lot of action happening on the dance floor. Most men sit in the front to watch girls up close but when you buy a drink for a girl and sit in corner seat of back row that's when you can feel the girl and enjoy the moment- both on the floor and in the lap or next to you. Luckily, my girl was tired after dancing, and she took this as break. She took 30 minutes to finish her drink so even though the waitress wasn't happy I kept pushing her back saying the drink is still not finished. The girl probably thought I will barfine but I had no intentions of spending 4000 baht on that. So, after having a great time with her I left Spankey's after 50 minutes. Yes folks! In just 400 baht I had the privilege to enjoy the naked dance and the girl which was totally worth it.

Bangkok is extremely humid and sultry, so I thought I am done for the day! Oh, but wait! When I reached my hotel, I was extremely curious to check out the Thermae bar. It was already 11.30 pm by then. I picked up a lady, but I will talk about it in details later.

Day 2: I was curious to know about sandwich nuru massage and I booked Nana and Wawa at Ola Ola massage at 10.30 am. It was 10 minutes walk from my hotel. My first preference were Patty and Whisky but both were away hence Nana and Wawa. I chose a 90 minutes nuru massage package which was a big home (6000 baht for 4 shots) in my pocket. I negotiated but there were no discounts and I was only offered Jacuzzi as extra complimentary which otherwise was priced 500 baht extra. Very clever! Anyways Nana was young and had a great body and boobs. Wawa looked much older than the photograph that was shown but they tried their best to please me. Again the boobs felt nice on my back and they had a nuru mat and then a Jacuzzi. I enjoyed the whole experience but it was nothing close to one watches in porn. So best is to avoid it and save money! The two girls tried talking to me and were not chitchatting between themselves which was my fear. I had sex with both of them for which I had to change condoms. First with Wawa but she was slightly old and had put on weight. So preferred to have sex with Nana and cum. The session ended with 2nd shot being a handjob from Wawa as Nana licked my ears and I played with her nipples.

After the morning experience I slept for some time, went to Bacarra at Soi Cowboy and got a drink. But these places are very different from Nana and I walked out after 20 minutes as girls were only interested in Japanese and Korean men.

At night, went to Thermar again and picked up a girl. Details later.

Day 3: Was bored of usual stuff so went to Analisa massage in the afternoon. Booked Luna for a 60 minutes of Tantric massage which was a mix of sensual massage, massaging my balls and dick, prostate massage and BJ and HJ. It costed my 2100 baht. Luna was extremely proficient in her communication and spoke good English. She didn't indugle I'm any conversation from her side though but patiently answered all my questions- a trick that I usually use to be friendly with girls. She's been with the establishment for 5 years and is extremely good with the massage. I paid for that I enjoyed it to the max. But Prostate Massage where she puts a finger inside your butthole and strokes your dick with another hand is not my kind of thing. Better to avoid it! But after 60 minutes of stroking my dick and balls, BJ (only with condom atleast in this place) and finally HJ l, I came like how! Great experience!

Day 1,2,3- Decoding Thermae Bar.

Ok, so here are some observations and tips not limited to Thermae but overall 'boom boom' scene in Bangkok.

1) Indians and Bangladeshis and others of darker skin colour are not preferred by Thai girls / ladies. In short, we are not their first choice. The reason I felt is because the way Indian bald uncle's with their round tummies, bermudas and chappals walk in and treat the girls is not appreciated. The young Indian muscular dudes with their beards and buffed up bodies could be desirable in India but the girls here call us 'King-Kong' and reject us outright.

2) What do I do- Dress properly (decent Hawaiians shirts, nice pair of trousers+ shoes and blend in, keep a clean shave and always keep my smile on and hands folded to greet them whenever I pass them or look at them.

2) Thermae Bar has 4 categories of girls- 'A+' category which comes in the bar at 7. 30-8 pm and disappears in no time. 'A' type girls who are eventually taken by mostly Japanese, Koreans and finally Westeners and they are confident that they will find takers. Now the 'be' type girls is what I am interested in. They could be slightly old (age group of 30-35), decent looking but certainly not bombshells or are desperate for money because they just need it. So the trick is to reach Thermae around 11.30 pm, buy a drink (I usually take Pineapple juice for 80 baht) and then take a round to find your prey- The 'be' type girls and then take a convinent spot and wait till 12 to see what happens. The bar shuts at 1 am and all the leftover girls at that time are now in a hurry to find customers and make their effort productive. That's when you start polite conversation by asking their name. Tell them you are here for these many number of days and are staying upstairs in the same hotel (4 nights in my case). The going rate for all girls is 3000 baht at the moment but when you mention that you sare staying in the same hotel they quote 2500 baht. Here's when I tell them I can only offer 1500 baht for short time (one shot and 40 minutes). I have managed to get three different girls on 3 nights so far.

First lady- Miss Lucky who was 35 years old and slightly plump was quite fun. She did a booty dance for me, we bathed together, I went down on her and sex was good in different positions.

Second girl was average looking and young and felt like she needed money. She approached me and we cut the same deal. I went down on her, she came and sex was decent.

Third lady Miss Pia was about 32 years, very fair and great body. She went down on me and we actually came together while having sex. No kidding! The orgasm looked real unless she is super good at faking it. Same deal.

With all the above three girls / ladies, I offered them water, toffees and chocolates that I had and also gave them extra Japanese condoms- Okamoto that I got from India and are not that expensive. But all these things made them happy and receptive.

So in conclusion, Thai girls are drawn to Japanese and Koreans (from all age groups but more to young guys whom I saw in plenty) at Thermae. They are comfortable with them maybe for their fair colour and looks, trendy styles, better manners and the fact that they don't haggle (which in my view is stupid and is making the girls greedy). There were instances when I approached an 'A' category despite them showing no interest in me (as in refusing to look in my eye for more than few seconds, or smile or they would simply look away) but when they would refuse any offer below 3000 baht that's an indication for you that they are just not interested. And I think that's fair and no offence taken!

Sorry the post is longish but hope you find it useful!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2843886]...However, I have not yet seen any Thai P4 P venue openly advertise the availability of Bareback Sex, as in BBFS or BBFS+CIP, as Newton York mentioned. Has anyone else?

I would be very impressed to find some that do because that would be a Game Changing Evolutionary Advancement in the Thai P4 P scene similar to the sudden appearance of that giant black monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey. LOL.

Cue the low, opening strains of "Thus Sprach Zarathustra"![/QUOTE][URL]https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/english-page/bow-r-page-e.html[/URL]

Forgot to mention that I also tried Ivy from Pretty Massage Thonglor. Paid 2500 baht for 90 minutes session. She did a lot of talking and once we had sex and once she gave me a handjob. Rooms were not up to the mark and there were mosquitoes inside. Girl was pretty, service was good and she tried but wrapped in in about 75 minutes. I also feared for getting dengi from the mosquito bite and left. Overall it was an ok experience.

[QUOTE=Colin3124;2843962]Have a look at the description for Haru under "Girls Working Today" here [URL]https://smilebangkak.com/girls/[/URL].

It says "Can do no condom+special".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GatorAk;2844017]I have seen few on FiWfans [URL]https://fiwfans.vip/sideline/406raedsfldwi9cix[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2844098][URL]https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/english-page/bow-r-page-e.html[/URL][/QUOTE]True or not at crunch time, at least it is a refreshing improvement on the Thai P4P scene to date!

Thanks much.

Flight got delayed and postponed due to a massive typhoon approaching from Japan side. Since I got the message in time got a golden opportunity to enjoy Bangkok for some more time. This time I was very focused and wanted to do an African girl. Just to strike it off my wishlist. Saw many at Soi Cowboy (group of 5) and then many more (atleast 15) near Nana Plaza in small groups of 4-5. None were attractive or close to decent but then found one named 'Jamira'. She was bigger than most petitte girls and had a great skin texture and shiny face. Even African girls / ladies show no interest in Indians could be because they look down upon us or maybe they also had bad experience due to Indian bald uncle's. Anyways, I found her standing in one corner and spoke to her. She agreed for 1000 baht and room charges which was additional 250 baht. I went down on her for 30 minutes and she kept requesting me to continue as she was surprisingly always there. After doing all the efforts she finally came and then let me fuck her. It was ok but worth the money I paid and the fantasy I had to bang an African chick.

Since I had some more time in hand I went to Spankey's again but this time it wasn't a good experience. There was a lady named 'don't' who was a phenomenal dancer, had a great body and curvy boobs. Before me an American bought her a drink and she danced in his lap and let him feel her for 15 minutes. I don't why but the American eventually left and the crowd was thinning out. So I called her and ordered a drink for her. She must have sat with me for 2 minutes but the next two items were her's so she had to rush to change clothes. I was vocal about this to the waitress and Mamasan but they kept saying she will be back soon. But then I realised that she is also doing the 'bathing act' and the waitress kept pushing me to buy more drink which I didn't want to. I told them it was absolutely unfair but the Mamasan only said sorry to me. Some win's and some looses is what I thought at that moment and paid the full bill and left. As I was leaving 'don't' was looking pretty disappointed and was trying to continue with that soapy act. I pointed at waitress indicating she is asking me to leave and bid her bye with folded hands.

Until next time. Ciao!

[QUOTE=Kadaklaunda;2844065]Day 1,2,3- Decoding Thermae Bar.

Ok, so here are some observations and tips not limited to Thermae but overall 'boom boom' scene in Bangkok.

1) Indians and Bangladeshis and others of darker skin colour are not preferred by Thai girls / ladies. In short, we are not their first choice. The reason I felt is because the way Indian bald uncle's with their round tummies, bermudas and chappals walk in and treat the girls is not appreciated. The young Indian muscular dudes with their beards and buffed up bodies could be desirable in India but the girls here call us 'King-Kong' and reject us outright.

2) What do I do- Dress properly (decent Hawaiians shirts, nice pair of trousers+ shoes and blend in, keep a clean shave and always keep my smile on and hands folded to greet them whenever I pass them or look at them.

2) Thermae Bar has 4 categories of girls- 'A+' category which comes in the bar at 7. 30-8 pm and disappears in no time. 'A' type girls who are eventually taken by mostly Japanese, Koreans and finally Westeners and they are confident that they will find takers. Now the 'be' type girls is what I am interested in. They could be slightly old (age group of 30-35), decent looking but certainly not bombshells or are desperate for money because they just need it. So the trick is to reach Thermae around 11.30 pm, buy a drink (I usually take Pineapple juice for 80 baht) and then take a round to find your prey- The 'be' type girls and then take a convinent spot and wait till 12 to see what happens. The bar shuts at 1 am and all the leftover girls at that time are now in a hurry to find customers and make their effort productive. That's when you start polite conversation by asking their name. Tell them you are here for these many number of days and are staying upstairs in the same hotel (4 nights in my case). The going rate for all girls is 3000 baht at the moment but when you mention that you sare staying in the same hotel they quote 2500 baht. Here's when I tell them I can only offer 1500 baht for short time (one shot and 40 minutes). I have managed to get three different girls on 3 nights so far.

First lady- Miss Lucky who was 35 years old and slightly plump was quite fun. She did a booty dance for me, we bathed together, I went down on her and sex was good in different positions.

Second girl was average looking and young and felt like she needed money. She approached me and we cut the same deal. I went down on her, she came and sex was decent.

Third lady Miss Pia was about 32 years, very fair and great body. She went down on me and we actually came together while having sex. No kidding! The orgasm looked real unless she is super good at faking it. Same deal.

With all the above three girls / ladies, I offered them water, toffees and chocolates that I had and also gave them extra Japanese condoms- Okamoto that I got from India and are not that expensive. But all these things made them happy and receptive.

So in conclusion, Thai girls are drawn to Japanese and Koreans (from all age groups but more to young guys whom I saw in plenty) at Thermae. They are comfortable with them maybe for their fair colour and looks, trendy styles, better manners and the fact that they don't haggle (which in my view is stupid and is making the girls greedy). There were instances when I approached an 'A' category despite them showing no interest in me (as in refusing to look in my eye for more than few seconds, or smile or they would simply look away) but when they would refuse any offer below 3000 baht that's an indication for you that they are just not interested. And I think that's fair and no offence taken!

Sorry the post is longish but hope you find it useful![/QUOTE]Very interesting report and perspective from South Asian bros. I like that you included the exact amount you spent and I like to do the same. However IMO the fact you push for such steep discount is one of the reasons why South Asians are "looked down" on by the girls and potentially other guys at the establishments. 3000 b is a normal price to be quoted in thermae and girls refusing to go below this amount isn't an indication they're not interested, but it's just their price. They would likely have the same requirements for white or east Asians too. But it seems you were quite happy with the selection of girls you had in thermae so well done and glad you had a good time!

[QUOTE=Kadaklaunda;2844174] I called her and ordered a drink for her. She must have sat with me for 2 minutes but the next two items were her's so she had to rush to change clothes. I was vocal about this to the waitress and Mamasan but they kept saying she will be back soon. [/QUOTE]Always good to learn the ins and outs of each gogo bar when you go. They're not always the same. Some gogo brs let the girls come off stage right away if you order them a drink, some allow the girls to come down on 2nd song. Some bars don't allow the girls off at all so if you see a girl on stage you like you may have to wait 15 minutes til she actually sits with you. This is complicated further by whether the girl you bought a drink for is a money maker for the bar. Girls who get lots of drinks will be allowed down immediately.

In your case, if you expect 15 minutes with the girl, clarify that with the girl before you buy her a drink and make sure she isn't on stage soon. Also clarify if you need her to DFK, lap dance, mutual groping, etc for that drink.

Sorry mate, I tend to disagree with you on the Thermae view point or Thai Chicks behaviour towards people of a particular country. This is my 3rd trip in 9 months, twice for work and once for total pleasure. So, I know what I am talking about with being on the ground and experiencing it myself. Firstly, allow me to share that it is the brown skinned people that they are wary off as some of them are but not all, not particularly Indians. I have been coming to Thailand since more than 12 years and never ever faced any kind of racisms during all my pleasure and business trips. Allow me to clarify that I am right now in Bangkok typing this report and I am an proud Indian. Yes, I have twice gone to Thermae Bar on 13th and 15th August night. Never did I felt discriminated or ignored or not preferred or given a cold treatment by chicks or they did not wish to go. I am not challenging your view point or your financial strategy of countering a chick with a 50% discount on her ask, its your wallet and decision. That is one reason if I may be allowed to pin point one reason for those chicks to respectful say no to a guys as they hold a viewpoint as the next brown skin man will offer her the same. These chicks have seen it all and understand it better than men.

My report of my 3 night Bangkok trip will be uploaded in a day or two as I am leaving for Pattaya for 7 nights where no business and all pleasure awaits me. Bangkok it was vice versa.

And yes, my report will be long enough. All brown skin people reading my report do not get discouraged and visit Thailand. It is a beautiful country with smiling people and follow the basic atticates and manners that are expected of any tourist be it of any country. That is the norm for all of us in our daily lives, isn't it guys?

All of these are my personal viewpoints.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Kadaklaunda;2844065]Disclaimer: This post doesn't mean to offend anyone of caste, creed, colour or religion. It is based on my personal experience and observations as an Indian tourist mongering in Bangkok. Sent from phone: please excuse, brevity and any typos.

So I have been long wanting to travel to Bangkok from India for obvious reasons and made full use of this forum to find best massage parlours, go-go bars and of course the most suited accommodation. I am returning today as I type this post and here's what I learnt that maybe more relevant and useful for fellow Indians and Bangladeshis whom I saw in good numbers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2844283]Very interesting report and perspective from South Asian bros. I like that you included the exact amount you spent and I like to do the same. However IMO the fact you push for such steep discount is one of the reasons why South Asians are "looked down" on by the girls and potentially other guys at the establishments. 3000 b is a normal price to be quoted in thermae and girls refusing to go below this amount isn't an indication they're not interested, but it's just their price. They would likely have the same requirements for white or east Asians too. But it seems you were quite happy with the selection of girls you had in thermae so well done and glad you had a good time![/QUOTE]Pointing out the not so obvious.

This 1,500 price isn't negotiating per SE. Highly likely they are not that desirable.

The only customers they get come in at Closing and don't give a BLEELP about how they Look. For them they get to tell Thier Billion East Asian pals they got a 50 % discount.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2844165]True or not at crunch time, at least it is a refreshing improvement on the Thai P4P scene to date!

Thanks much.[/QUOTE]With a 2 k extra charge.

[QUOTE=Colin3124;2843962]Have a look at the description for Haru under "Girls Working Today" here [URL]https://smilebangkak.com/girls/[/URL].

It says "Can do no condom+special".[/QUOTE]And Nami's profile page there says "Release semen into the body".

What the?

[URL]https://smilebangkak.com/nami/[/URL]

While Haru's profile page doesn't repeat the mention of no condom, just "Extreme Sex".

[URL]https://smilebangkak.com/haru/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2843954]The girls are here today and gone tomorrow and if they are here they have a different name. This constant "where is she" serves no purpose.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to say that there is an ample (if minor) history of such inquiries yielding relevant information, so I thought it was worth posting, albeit without any expectations. Indeed, the very discussion I was responding to pertained to girls who had moved from that very MP to another. In my view, more information (and potentially futile requests for such) is better than none.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2844333]And Nami's profile page there says "Release semen into the body".

What the?

[URL]https://smilebangkak.com/nami/[/URL]

While Haru's profile page doesn't repeat the mention of no condom, just "Extreme Sex".

[URL]https://smilebangkak.com/haru/[/URL][/QUOTE]Next thing you know some of the girls will be referring to it as "Real Sex. " In which case I am happy to offer a humble "You're welcome, gentlemen. " LOL.

Actually, the strange way it is mentioned on some girls' profiles is one of the reasons I qualified and tempered my praise of those mentions with "True or not at crunch time. " Why not use the more conventional terms for it? Is there a translation issue such that they don't really mean what we think they mean? Was it written by someone else who gains from a booking and whatever hassle or confrontation the girl has about it in the room "at crunch time" is her problem?

Well anyway I do understand the part about, as TConor added, "With a 2 k extra charge. " Is that from first-hand personal experience, TConor? I assumed there would be an extra charge for it.

I want girls who agree upfront to BBFS+CIP even in writing to make more money. I want their co-workers to know they are making more money. And an extra charge for it helps to confirm that it means what we think it means and not something else. However, if there is a mention of how much the extra charge for that is on all their profiles or elsewhere on the website I guess I missed it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2844499]Next thing you know some of the girls will be referring to it as "Real Sex. " In which case I am happy to offer a humble "You're welcome, gentlemen. " LOL.

Actually, the strange way it is mentioned on some girls' profiles is one of the reasons I qualified and tempered my praise of those mentions with "True or not at crunch time. " Why not use the more conventional terms for it? Is there a translation issue such that they don't really mean what we think they mean? Was it written by someone else who gains from a booking and whatever hassle or confrontation the girl has about it in the room "at crunch time" is her problem?

Well anyway I do understand the part about, as TConor added, "With a 2 k extra charge. " Is that from first-hand personal experience, TConor? I assumed there would be an extra charge for it.

I want girls who agree upfront to BBFS+CIP even in writing to make more money. I want their co-workers to know they are making more money. And an extra charge for it helps to confirm that it means what we think it means and not something else. However, if there is a mention of how much the extra charge for that is on all their profiles or elsewhere on the website I guess I missed it.[/QUOTE]As messaged with mamasan, asked and answered.

[QUOTE=TConor;2844557]As messaged with mamasan, asked and answered.[/QUOTE]Look at the phrasing. "anal sucking?" = rimming," mouth finish " = CIM. "finish at face" = COF, etc.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2844299]Pointing out the not so obvious.

This 1,500 price isn't negotiating per SE. Highly likely they are not that desirable.

The only customers they get come in at Closing and don't give a BLEELP about how they Look. For them they get to tell Thier Billion East Asian pals they got a 50 % discount.[/QUOTE]I go to Thermae two or three times a week. There are no quality girls for 1500 B.

I barely negotiate. Over $15? I would rather not ruin my reputation.

Indian guys will never get the respect they think they deserve from Thai people until they shed their reputation of being "cheap".

That's why they have their own night clubs and bars.

[QUOTE=Kadaklaunda;2844174]Flight got delayed and postponed due to a massive typhoon approaching from Japan side. Since I got the message in time got a golden opportunity to enjoy Bangkok for some more time. This time I was very focused and wanted to do an African girl. Just to strike it off my wishlist. Saw many at Soi Cowboy (group of 5) and then many more (atleast 15) near Nana Plaza in small groups of 4-5. None were attractive or close to decent but then found one named 'Jamira'. She was bigger than most petitte girls and had a great skin texture and shiny face. Even African girls / ladies show no interest in Indians could be because they look down upon us or maybe they also had bad experience due to Indian bald uncle's. Anyways, I found her standing in one corner and spoke to her. She agreed for 1000 baht and room charges which was additional 250 baht. I went down on her for 30 minutes and she kept requesting me to continue as she was surprisingly always there. After doing all the efforts she finally came and then let me fuck her. It was ok but worth the money I paid and the fantasy I had to bang an African chick.

Since I had some more time in hand I went to Spankey's again but this time it wasn't a good experience. There was a lady named 'don't' who was a phenomenal dancer, had a great body and curvy boobs. Before me an American bought her a drink and she danced in his lap and let him feel her for 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]Shit like this happens all the time. Not a reason to fuss about it. One drink isn't going to break you.

[QUOTE=TConor;2844557]As messaged with mamasan, asked and answered.[/QUOTE]Ah nice. Thanks.

But still, not that I doubt the word of an online mamasan or question exactly how she can be sure what actually happens in the room "at crunch time" with any of the girls, are you also saying it was proven true to you in first-hand experience with those girls that their odd phrasing of it means what we think it means?

[QUOTE=TConor;2844557]As messaged with mamasan, asked and answered.[/QUOTE]How did mamasan confirm it?

And why not confirmed for the other two?

Did mamasan advise an expected price to be paid, or is it to be negotiated with the girl?

[QUOTE=TConor;2844559]Look at the phrasing. "anal sucking?" = rimming," mouth finish " = CIM. "finish at face" = COF, etc.[/QUOTE]You are right about that.

They just got the translation wrong.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2844294]Sorry mate, I tend to disagree with you on the Thermae view point or Thai Chicks behaviour towards people of a particular country. This is my 3rd trip in 9 months, twice for work and once for total pleasure. So, I know what I am talking about with being on the ground and experiencing it myself. Firstly, allow me to share that it is the brown skinned people that they are wary off as some of them are but not all, not particularly Indians. I have been coming to Thailand since more than 12 years and never ever faced any kind of racisms during all my pleasure and business trips. Allow me to clarify that I am right now in Bangkok typing this report and I am an proud Indian. Yes, I have twice gone to Thermae Bar on 13th and 15th August night. Never did I felt discriminated or ignored or not preferred or given a cold treatment by chicks or they did not wish to go. I am not challenging your view point or your financial strategy of countering a chick with a 50% discount on her ask, its your wallet and decision. That is one reason if I may be allowed to pin point one reason for those chicks to respectful say no to a guys as they hold a viewpoint as the next brown skin man will offer her the same. These chicks have seen it all and understand it better than men.

My report of my 3 night Bangkok trip will be uploaded in a day or two as I am leaving for Pattaya for 7 nights where no business and all pleasure awaits me. Bangkok it was vice versa.

And yes, my report will be long enough. All brown skin people reading my report do not get discouraged and visit Thailand. It is a beautiful country with smiling people and follow the basic atticates and manners that are expected of any tourist be it of any country. That is the norm for all of us in our daily lives, isn't it guys?

All of these are my personal viewpoints.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Part of what he typed was true. I am fair skinned and I am a foreigner living in India, but I have Indian ancestry. I can understand what the other gentleman typed. I've seen how some Indian men behave towards Thai women. The problem is that you and I maybe educated and may use commonsense, but I have seen not just few, but tons of Indian men misbehave with thai women right from the airport itself. One of the biggest issue here from what I understand from conversations with some friends is that lots of companies give free tickets and package deals to Thailand to shop keepers or dealers for achieving sales targets or to take big orders. The owners of these establishments often send their staffs / shop keepers to Thailand and may prefer to elsewhere which are increasingly becoming a sex tourism destination for wealthier Indians, but raises fewer doubts among their family members. While the ones who do the bad things maybe less than 10% of the men visiting Thailand, These men ruin the reputation of good Indians. When I visited a famous Massage once, I overheard a group of Indian men threatening to walk out and take the business to the next establishment because they offer the same service for just half the price, and the mamasan and the girls themselves shouted back in Thai to get out and they continued swearing and took over a minute to calm down. I had an Indian colleague with me at that time and he was super ashamed. While the girls warmed up to me, they never gave any eye contact to my colleague and the one he chose literally walked away saying she has a stomach ache or something. I didn't want to leave him, I said sorry, maybe next time and I walked out with him. As we walked out, we saw this very group also leave the next establishment with a lot of swearing between them and the staffs of the MP.

The next day I did visit the same establishment as one girl caught my eye, and I was lucky she was free. She disclosed she recognized me when we were in the room and she was saying that she was so happy that none of them in that group selected her because some of her colleagues have been treated very roughly and some of them were even bitten.

News like these spread like a wild fire among the WG.

It's not with just WG they misbehave. When I took my flight from Chennai to BKK just after they re opened, I saw a lot of misbehaving. Many passengers were already drunk and families who boarded the plane had a terrified look in their faces. So many of them were refusing to wear masks. There were at least 5 men behind me who were very loud and were drinking alcohol despite the fight attendants begging them to stop doing that. Then one brawny fight attendant came to the rescue and shut them down by saying that he will make sure they get arrested when the flight lands.

I had a very similar experience from Kochi to BKK as well. Both of them were in AirAsia. I now take the XL seats, so I could avoid them.

Then once you land, we can witness the drama in the immigration counter as well. The less said, the better.

Back to my Indian colleague. He once took a grab to a famous shopping mall which was 10 kms away from where were lodging. The grab driver was so impressed by him that he did not believe he was an Indian because of how well he behaved and was groomed.

So like the other Gentleman reported, if we are groomed well, dressed well and more importantly smell good, Thai people do change their mind very fast and are very receptive.

The reason you maybe having a better time is simply because you look good, you present yourself very well and you take care of a lot more things than many Indian men do and you are enjoying the benefits.

Friday the 11th my plan got confirmed to land in Bkk on 13th. Booked my ticket of Thai airways at 14000 THB /437 USD (approx figures after converting from local currency). Was getting cheaper airlines as well but nah, I love Thai Airways and their service apart from their big aircrafts, 380 or 340 airbus my guess. I was informed that aircraft changed to Airbus 320 as less number of passengers. Seat next to me was not occupied as well. Normal average service nothing great. Reached my hotel, showered and straight away reached Thermae at around 10.30 PM. Took a whiskey and my my some of the Thai chicks were damn good and pretty, real peaches. Real ones which you don't find in clubs or pick up joints. Honestly, I could bang many of them. Club was getting crowded by Koreans. They just kept coming in groups and drinking, making noise and picking chicks, not all of them as I could see them haggle too. I liked a chick in blue dress and she was approached by lot of men but no one took her. I went to her too; her quote was 4 k ST and 10 K LT. She was stuck to her price and till the time I was there, no one had picked her up. I stayed there for an hour as it was my first visit and asked the motorbike guy outside of Shock 39. It's closed post covid and he suggested Mixx. I hoped on to his bike in 100 THB. It was my first visit there and had no idea how things worked. It was empty around 12 with a few chicks and less punters around. I asked one chick and she quoted me 5 K and she'll make me happy. I asked another and her ask was 10 K LT, I said too high and she came down to 8 K, last offer. The 1st chick came back to me and sat next to me with her fruit juice. Her English was very poor and I used Google translate to convey to her that I looking for Long time. I offered her 3500 for 4 to 5 hours and she agreed. I clarified on translate of her DFK and BJ to which she agreed. Nia her name was very nice, cute and well behaved. She informed me of being from Chiang Mai and here in Bkk for 5/6 days to buy 2nd hand clothes for her shop in her hometown and making some side money as she needed it. She was truthful and shared her shop pics and selling. Sex with her was great and I really fucked her to my heart's content wherein she came thrice, twice by DATY and once when I fucked her. It took me a long time to come as I like hard beds and it was a soft bed of my hotel. I came out of the shower and I saw her waiting for me all dressed up to depart. That's where things went downhill. During the argument that we had, I was the one who was livid, lost my cool and a very argumentative. Never did once Nia raised her voice, was disrespectful or angry. I showed her my Google translate chat to her and she said that my message got converted to that I am looking for relationship, long time. She was very confident and told me not to pay anything and go and clarify from anyone in the reception or any Thai and she will wait. She said she is not lying and 3500 was ST as Mixx prices are like 5 k ST to 8 k 10 k LT. Honestly guys, it was a communication gap from my end as Google translate fucked my message as I clarified from my friend on Monday morning who is a resident in BKK as that's exactly my message to her which got converted to looking for long term relationship. In a fit of rage, I handed her my wallet which contained 25 K, took out the entire cash, told her of 25 K and handed her to take it all as I was not lying myself. She did not touch my notes and was not even livid. She had asked for advance and I told her to trust me as I will give it to her later. She said I trusted you; I gave her 3500 THB and said you have cheated me. Believe me guys, her eyes got wet and informed me she's a Buddha fearing girl and has never cheated anyone in her life. I did not take her number which I always do if I like a girl, but Monday morning realized my mistake as could have a ready date in Chiang Mia if I happen to go. Nevertheless, slept 4 hours to get ready for my Monday work meetings.

I was very tired due to my less sleep in the last 2/3 days and aching legs due to wrap things at my end before my departure. My meeting had to start at 12.30 noon. 10.30 am, Went to a 7 eleven close to my hotel and a massage shop just opened and girls coming in. I chose to go in lured by a girl who had not even changed. Told her of my back and leg pain and opted for dry Thai massage and did not change into spa clothes neither took off my Undies. Because I lose control. LOL. 50 minutes of excellent massage wherein she tried playing with Junior and I stopped her from doing so. She offered sex or a HJ, I said No. Wanted to save my juice for the evening and informed her that I don't have a condom. She said work is bad and I am her first customer as shop just opened. She offered FS at 800 THB and I gave in because her body was good with a decent face. Plus I had my balls filled up with half night session. It was a wonderful session of fucking and CBJ. Guys, it was my first time of CBJ as never felt any kind of rubber on shaft during her sucking; it was great skills and effort. I have never said yes to it but she herself changed the condom and gave me a CBJ as I was really short of time and told her to finish me up as couldn't come during intercourse. It was right decision from my side as I felt happy, satisfied and contended post the session. In the evening, went to Nana Plaza to get a hang of it and check out a few Ago go bars. 30 minutes, Had one whiskey in the middle of Plaza and saw all the bars from below. Twisters right in front of me, decent chicks coming in and out. I had terrible hip pain due to excessive walking during a plant visit and SOIs. Went in to check Rainbow 5, billboards and butterfly. Surprisingly, Rainbow 5 was empty on Monday night and other two with hardly any customers. Spent only 5 minutes in Rainbow 5 and spent 30 minutes each in other 2 clubs. Had a drink in both of them. They made me sit on the sofa in front of naked girls without bras and man o man I could spend hours there just looking at their bodies dancing with their boobs juggling around. Some girls had good bodies and all natural tits. Great sight. I am not a fan of ago go clubs as too pricey for me and add to it Mamasan fees. Full credit to Billboard and butterfly as no pushing around or heckling for drinks. I had excruciating hip pain and decided to call it a night and came back to my room by 2 PM. On the way, enjoyed my 2 chocolate ice creams. I was happy with my morning massage session.

Tuesday the 15th, worked all day and somehow reached my hotel on time. I was very keen and adamant to pick a chick from Thermae as a few were rubbed on to my brain. Reached at 10.30 PM, grabbed a drink and to my surprise a lot of new chicks and the old ones not to be found. Did the walk of shame as am not used to it and find it uncomfortable to actually look at them like that. Standing in front of them looking at their faces, checking out their bodies and especially the boobs. I zeroed in on 3 chicks. 1st one had big boobs, real good big ones but short height. 2nd one slim, white, very beautiful, true Thai beauty, graceful and elegant in her black dress, 3rd one had just entered and had a great body, nice tits, beautiful smiling face with dimple on both cheeks. She was standing in front of me and ever smiling. She Was being approached by a lot of guys and not being selected or turning them down. All of them quoted me 3 K short time. Man, I wish I was young; had the capacity to bang all of them in one night 10 years ago but not anymore. Junior doesn't cooperate. Finally, made up my mind for the 3rd one as everything ticked my boxes of requirement. Boobs, face, body, smiling personality and above all her willingness to go with me by constantly looking me with her beautiful smiling face. Her English was decent and clarified of her DFK and BJ to which she agreed. I went to her only on time to enquire her ask and she quoted me 3 K, I counter with 2. 5 K with exact words- 2. 5 K for one hour, humble request. She thought for 10 seconds and said yes. I would have taken her even for 3 K. We both walked hand in hand to my SOI 11 hotel and what a wonderful and great session I had with her. I really had a intense wonderful fuck session with her and in doggie again my hip pain got to me. Requested her for BJ without condom and she obliged me. Wow, simply Wow. 11.30 PM we reached and 12.30 exactly she departed. She is working in Thai Electric as told to me and once or twice a week is in Thermae. Was truthful to inform me that she is going back to the bar and will work one more time in the night. Hugged her and had a nice DFK from her as a parting bye bye present. I wanted to simply make the best of last night in BKK and literally dragged myself to Grace to check out the CIS scene. Sat on their sofas for half an hour to catch my breath and relax. Went to their disco to be informed of 500 THB entry and I turned back to my hotel as was sheer waste of money at 1. 30 am to slowly walk and enjoy my 2 chocolate ice creams. I know I will put on weight but I will get back in shape back in my hometown. I could have taken the cab or motorbike but chose to walk as wanted to experience it myself from the ground.

During my Bangkok trip, I was always racing against the time and trying to fit in time for my fun activity as it was more of a Business and less of pleasure whereas I go to Pattaya Wednesday where it would be vice versa. Plus, pain in my left hip is really bothering me now and making me difficult to walk around much but I am still doing my best. I was always landing in Bkk but never stayed here, did my work in day time to always reach Pattaya by late night to enjoy. I realize now I should have always broken my trip into 2 parts as I have done now.

Long FR but posting it.

Regards.

I hate to admit it mate but that's the sad truth. I cringe and really get upset when I see that kind of behaviour by some of my countrymen but I don't blame them as most of them are first time international travellors and have no idea as to how they are expected to behave. I am not defending them at all as that's no excuse to do what they do, a wrong is a wrong. Plus, it is their first time exposure to such openness and availability of pussy in such large numbers at various price levels. A lot of other factors too. Also, 15 USD is not a big amount for some of us but for a lot of guy's it is. I also agree to the part of 1500 THB for a Thermae chick is you get trash. I would anyday pay these kind of beautiful chicks 2. 5 k /3 k short time or 5/6 k long time, at the one I banged from Thermae was worth every penny.

As far as Indian clubs are concerned, please note that they are not cheap. Pussy and alcohol is expensive and it sells like hot cakes. The Indian clubs are full wheras the Ago go bars and some other clubs like Lucifer and Insomania in Pattaya I went yesterday were half empty. I walked out of all Indian clubs last night, my first one here as felt suffocated and hardly an inch to move. The chicks were quoting in the range of 4 k and were lapped up from 3. 5 K to 4 k. CIS good looking ones from 4 k to 5 k. Reporting from ground zero. It is just that Indians gel in those kind of clubs with their kind of songs and ambaiance.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2844563]I go to Thermae two or three times a week. There are no quality girls for 1500 B.

I barely negotiate. Over $15? I would rather not ruin my reputation.

Indian guys will never get the respect they think they deserve from Thai people until they shed their reputation of being "cheap".

That's why they have their own night clubs and bars.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2844563]I go to Thermae two or three times a week. There are no quality girls for 1500 B.

I barely negotiate. Over $15? I would rather not ruin my reputation.

Indian guys will never get the respect they think they deserve from Thai people until they shed their reputation of being "cheap".

That's why they have their own night clubs and bars.[/QUOTE]What do you think they charge for ST? I went there once just to see how it works. I did get the line of one girl.

Later when I texted her asking how much does she expect, she said it's up to me.

But, I didn't pursue her, as I met a French girl from OkCupid.

I am planning on returning once I visit Bangkok again at the end of September.

Where is the best place to get European freelancer? Any recommended app or bar or road? Thanks.

It depends on one's perspective sir! I never said there are quality girls available for 1500 baht but I did mention that the second best lot is available for 1500 baht at a certain time and how I managed my way through to score 3 chicks. Of course $15 is nothing for a American but for an Indian on a budget, it is alot. Hence the post is directed more towards SA brothers whose currency is weaker than baht and certainly dollar. I understand the thin line I was walking and the danger of being reputed as 'cheap' but through my post I just shared ways of finding a way around it without looking / being cheap. Of course there is no scope of negotiation in a MP or a Go-Go Bar, so the only way I could save some baht and enjoy more pussies was negotiating at Thermae. But I respect your viewpoint!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2844563]I go to Thermae two or three times a week. There are no quality girls for 1500 B.

I barely negotiate. Over $15? I would rather not ruin my reputation.

Indian guys will never get the respect they think they deserve from Thai people until they shed their reputation of being "cheap".

That's why they have their own night clubs and bars.[/QUOTE]Every coin has two sides sir! I don't think I was given a cold treatment anywhere but just the fact that the obvious preference was for the Koreans and Japanese atleast at Thermae- I take this risk in saying even more over the Westeners. But I agree with you that these chicks have sen it all and understand the customers than any of us. I also agree with the fact that if one is presentable and shows good manners you are building that reputation again for your fellow countrymen / brown colour brothers.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2844294]Sorry mate, I tend to disagree with you on the Thermae view point or Thai Chicks behaviour towards people of a particular country. This is my 3rd trip in 9 months, twice for work and once for total pleasure. So, I know what I am talking about with being on the ground and experiencing it myself. Firstly, allow me to share that it is the brown skinned people that they are wary off as some of them are but not all, not particularly Indians. I have been coming to Thailand since more than 12 years and never ever faced any kind of racisms during all my pleasure and business trips. Allow me to clarify that I am right now in Bangkok typing this report and I am an proud Indian. Yes, I have twice gone to Thermae Bar on 13th and 15th August night. Never did I felt discriminated or ignored or not preferred or given a cold treatment by chicks or they did not wish to go. I am not challenging your view point or your financial strategy of countering a chick with a 50% discount on her ask, its your wallet and decision. That is one reason if I may be allowed to pin point one reason for those chicks to respectful say no to a guys as they hold a viewpoint as the next brown skin man will offer her the same. These chicks have seen it all and understand it better than men.

My report of my 3 night Bangkok trip will be uploaded in a day or two as I am leaving for Pattaya for 7 nights where no business and all pleasure awaits me. Bangkok it was vice versa.

And yes, my report will be long enough. All brown skin people reading my report do not get discouraged and visit Thailand. It is a beautiful country with smiling people and follow the basic atticates and manners that are expected of any tourist be it of any country. That is the norm for all of us in our daily lives, isn't it guys?

All of these are my personal viewpoints.

Regards.[/QUOTE]There is no scope for negotiations in MPs and Go-Go Bars, so the best chance was in Thermae and that too at certain time and hour. Ofcourse 3000 baht is a normal price quoted in Thermae but the fact that decent girls (in my view atleast) agreed to come at that price is just something I am sharing. It could be that had no takers or maybe they already were with someone and this was like Round 2 for them. But it worked!

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2844283]Very interesting report and perspective from South Asian bros. I like that you included the exact amount you spent and I like to do the same. However IMO the fact you push for such steep discount is one of the reasons why South Asians are "looked down" on by the girls and potentially other guys at the establishments. 3000 b is a normal price to be quoted in thermae and girls refusing to go below this amount isn't an indication they're not interested, but it's just their price. They would likely have the same requirements for white or east Asians too. But it seems you were quite happy with the selection of girls you had in thermae so well done and glad you had a good time![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zam007;2844660]What do you think they charge for ST? I went there once just to see how it works. I did get the line of one girl.

Later when I texted her asking how much does she expect, she said it's up to me.

But, I didn't pursue her, as I met a French girl from OkCupid.

I am planning on returning once I visit Bangkok again at the end of September.[/QUOTE]The standard price quoted is 3 K, the girls are incentivized to "unionize" to keep this price floor. You can negotiate on an individual basis but more likely than not this will be the price asked of you.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2844660]What do you think they charge for ST? I went there once just to see how it works. I did get the line of one girl.

Later when I texted her asking how much does she expect, she said it's up to me.

But, I didn't pursue her, as I met a French girl from OkCupid.

I am planning on returning once I visit Bangkok again at the end of September.[/QUOTE]Just as a follow up. I personally do not think Thermae has that many girls that I would consider good looking. It's at most maybe 1-2 that I would be interested in and many times I have taken a loop and walked straight out. Their strategy of making it incredibly dim in there also does not help that much, women can look alright in there and just bad once they get outside.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2844660]What do you think they charge for ST? I went there once just to see how it works. [/QUOTE]Thermae prices have been 2500 baht ST for the prettier girls for many years. Some still charge 2500 others will ask 3000 now. Yes you can still get the not so young or pretty girls for 2000 or less at the end of the night if they have been standing around the bar for 5 hours with no takers. Those aren't usually the ones I would ever target at Thermae. Like Nyezhov if a girl wants 3000 and she's hot enough I'll take her. Reputation does matter in these places and gogo bars although we've had member disputes over that before.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2844653]As far as Indian clubs are concerned, please note that they are not cheap. Pussy and alcohol is expensive and it sells like hot cakes.[/QUOTE]

Never been to one so never knew this. If the girls and drinks aren't cheap why do Indian men all flock to these clubs? Is it because there's much less fear of rejection by the girls?

Maybe I'll drag MP to one in a couple of weeks!

[QUOTE=SladeWilson;2844742]Where is the best place to get European freelancer? Any recommended app or bar or road? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Can't answer your question I go to Germany when I want Euro white meat.

On a similar topic, I know there are many Arab restaurant and bars near Sukhumvit. Do any of them have cute young Persian girls, even if they're only a waitress?

BB, they go there as they are more comfortable in the ambiance of Indian songs, Indian snacks / food; they can be themselves and let loose there with their shitty dance moves. The staff is all either nepali, Indian, pakistani, Burmese, Bangaldeshi and they all speak in Hindi language with their customers. So the overall package works for the Indian men. They do not play western music at all. Thai girls all of them in huge numbers there do not discrimnate and like to go with Indian men at decent Thai Baht. One girl my regular is right now sleeping in bed while I type this told me last night that she doesn't like to go with Koreans, chinese or japanese because they all look like Thai men. Trust me, for once go to Kama and Jannat club in Pattaya to experience it for yourself and see the number of beuatiful chicks there. Indians will not be able to enjoy in ago go bars or clubs like lucifer or Insomania. I went there too last night. Insomania had 50% occupancy at 11.30 PM and lucifer hardly 20%. I made my way to Kama to pick up my chick and on the way saw droves of people lining up to enter Tony club, oh my god reached Kama and not an inch to move and I literally had to jostle to reach to my babe's table.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2844817]Thermae prices have been 2500 baht ST for the prettier girls for many years. Some still charge 2500 others will ask 3000 now. Yes you can still get the not so young or pretty girls for 2000 or less at the end of the night if they have been standing around the bar for 5 hours with no takers. Those aren't usually the ones I would ever target at Thermae. Like Nyezhov if a girl wants 3000 and she's hot enough I'll take her. Reputation does matter in these places and gogo bars although we've had member disputes over that before.



Never been to one so never knew this. If the girls and drinks aren't cheap why do Indian men all flock to these clubs? Is it because there's much less fear of rejection by the girls?

Maybe I'll drag MP to one in a couple of weeks![/QUOTE]

Firstly allow me to state in advance that I am not blaming, pin pointing or accusing any religion or community in my below FR. It is just my experience what I notice on the ground, My humble apologies in advance if anyone finds it offensive. Please do excuse me and forgive.

I can relate to each and every word that you shared here as I put forth my point in advance to my revert to Nyezhov of Indian men behaviour and I am not defending one bit of what you seen as I have seen worst in the last 12 years. I wrote there number of factors. Some of them you mentioned like dealer sales conference. Now, Thailand in India is promoted like crazy shit by both Govt's due to the sheer numbers of travellors from India. Cheap package of 3 nights including accomodation with 2 meals at 10500/- THB are promoted by travel agents as I am aware of the Travel companies MNC's of blocking by buying bulk seats in advance for full year; I have some links in Travel Industry and know how things work there. It is a lucrative sector for Travel Industry and even the smallest of centres in India have flights for Bangkok. The worst one example is that a Thai chick hit a empty beer bottle on Indian head as he thought she was a pick up girl in Pattaya in 2015 on Beach Road. You think I am not ashamed. I wrote earlier my stomach churnes with anger and hatred when I see this. My guess is 90% of Brown skin people are from India. If I am not wrong, I do not have the numbers but from the ground either it could be koreans or Indians leading the pack of highest number of travellors. I guess it's Indians, I could be wrong too. She was a civilian chick just doing her job by selling something on her cart. I guess your base is South India so you know that the Chappal lads mostly come from that part of the country or from Gujrat. I come from New Delhi. The people from North India, primarily Punjabis or from other states like to drink, party hard, eat like crazy. Yes, they are a bit loud too. It's not about money of either regions but it's the lifestyle that they lead even in their own country. I know rich Chennai business men who are millonarires and still wear chappals to their office. It is part of his lifestyle. Likewise, in north India, even if they have empty pockets they like to be shown otherwise. I am sure you must have seen this with your own eyes. I like to converse with Indian men when I see them. 3 guys got on to tuk tuk from soi 6 last evening and all 3 had good diamond rings and necklaces on them. I asked them their hometown. They were diamond merchants from Surat and were staying in Jomtein. They spent 2 hours in soi 6 drinking and partying and all 3 were in shorts and chappals. I wasn't surprised as I have been there as well for my work. Even the richest of gujratis are simple and move around like this. Likewise, 3 Arabic guys too got into the same tuk tuk and were likewise dressed in shorts and slippers but they wouldn't be judged as Indians are. I know our behaviour and actions on the ground has not been good, no defence there.

As far as I am concerned, girls tell me that I do not look like Indian. I look Arabic or from Canada as I have fair skin, thank my parents; I dress well, put in a lot of effort on my grooming on a weakly basis, smell well by putting on a good perfume and am always humble, down to earth, grounded and respect women. I exercise so I am fit for my age as I am 50 plus and do not have a round tummy as I am very careful as to what goes into my stomach. I'm a one meal man. But that's a part of my life and the way I lead it even in my hometown. I do not do it for travelling to Thalland. I also never shy away by telling them that I am from India.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2844631]Part of what he typed was true. I am fair skinned and I am a foreigner living in India, but I have Indian ancestry. I can understand what the other gentleman typed. I've seen how some Indian men behave towards Thai women. The problem is that you and I maybe educated and may use commonsense, but I have seen not just few, but tons of Indian men misbehave with thai women right from the airport itself. One of the biggest issue here from what I understand from conversations with some friends is that lots of companies give free tickets and package deals to Thailand to shop keepers or dealers for achieving sales targets or to take big orders. The owners of these establishments often send their staffs / shop keepers to Thailand and may prefer to elsewhere which are increasingly becoming a sex tourism destination for wealthier Indians, but raises fewer doubts among their family members. While the ones who do the bad things maybe less than 10% of the men visiting Thailand, These men ruin the reputation of good Indians. When I visited a famous Massage once, I overheard a group of Indian men threatening to walk out and take the business to the next establishment because they offer the same service for just half the price, and the mamasan and the girls themselves shouted back in Thai to get out and they continued swearing and took over a minute to calm down. I had an Indian colleague with me at that time and he was super ashamed. While the girls warmed up to me, they never gave any eye contact to my colleague and the one he chose literally walked away saying she has a stomach ache or something. I didn't want to leave him, I said sorry, maybe next time and I walked out with him. As we walked out, we saw this very group also leave the next establishment with a lot of swearing between them and the staffs of the MP.

The next day I did visit the same establishment as one girl caught my eye, and I was lucky she was free. She disclosed she recognized me when we were in the room and she was saying that she was so happy that none of them in that group selected her because some of her colleagues have been treated very roughly and some of them were even bitten.

News like these spread like a wild fire among the WG.

It's not with just WG they misbehave. When I took my flight from Chennai to BKK just after they re opened, I saw a lot of misbehaving. Many passengers were already drunk and families who boarded the plane had a terrified look in their faces. So many of them were refusing to wear masks. There were at least 5 men behind me who were very loud and were drinking alcohol despite the fight attendants begging them to stop doing that. Then one brawny fight attendant came to the rescue and shut them down by saying that he will make sure they get arrested when the flight lands.

I had a very similar experience from Kochi to BKK as well. Both of them were in AirAsia. I now take the XL seats, so I could avoid them.

Then once you land, we can witness the drama in the immigration counter as well. The less said, the better.

Back to my Indian colleague. He once took a grab to a famous shopping mall which was 10 kms away from where were lodging. The grab driver was so impressed by him that he did not believe he was an Indian because of how well he behaved and was groomed.

So like the other Gentleman reported, if we are groomed well, dressed well and more importantly smell good, Thai people do change their mind very fast and are very receptive.

The reason you maybe having a better time is simply because you look good, you present yourself very well and you take care of a lot more things than many Indian men do and you are enjoying the benefits.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2844819]Can't answer your question I go to Germany when I want Euro white meat.

On a similar topic, I know there are many Arab restaurant and bars near Sukhumvit. Do any of them have cute young Persian girls, even if they're only a waitress?[/QUOTE]No.

But cute Persian girls? Girls? Ya mean women like the Burkha Babes on Soi 4? Ewwww.

I'm with you Boi I'm on my way to Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=NinjaGoku;2843928]Do girls working as Independents and massage parlors get regularly tested for STD like HIV and all?[/QUOTE]There is very little enforcement of regular testing. IMHO the rule should be at least once a month and the reality is probably closer to once or twice a year. Just don't go about unprotected. Use condoms, PREP, PEP, whatever, but the risk in Thailand is a lot higher than in Europe or US. The main vector being the Thai male who tends to be sexually ambivalent. The bar girl we have unprotected sex with, had sex with some BF, who had been shagged by his platoon leader during his military service, or his abbot while he was a monk.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2844817]Thermae prices have been 2500 baht ST for the prettier girls for many years. Some still charge 2500 others will ask 3000 now. Yes you can still get the not so young or pretty girls for 2000 or less at the end of the night if they have been standing around the bar for 5 hours with no takers. Those aren't usually the ones I would ever target at Thermae. Like Nyezhov if a girl wants 3000 and she's hot enough I'll take her. Reputation does matter in these places and gogo bars although we've had member disputes over that before.



Never been to one so never knew this. If the girls and drinks aren't cheap why do Indian men all flock to these clubs? Is it because there's much less fear of rejection by the girls?

Maybe I'll drag MP to one in a couple of weeks![/QUOTE]Well regardless Imwith you, I'm a reputation guy, especially when I have been going to the Thermae for years.

But now I'm thinking. Classy, albiet old and fat white American guy goes to Indian Club? Hmmmmm, seems like decent pricing. Although Indian guys like them a bit padded, no?

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2844649]

Long FR but posting it.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Excellent Reports.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2844817]Thermae prices have been 2500 baht ST for the prettier girls for many years. Some still charge 2500 others will ask 3000 now. Yes you can still get the not so young or pretty girls for 2000 or less at the end of the night if they have been standing around the bar for 5 hours with no takers. Those aren't usually the ones I would ever target at Thermae. Like Nyezhov if a girl wants 3000 and she's hot enough I'll take her. Reputation does matter in these places and gogo bars although we've had member disputes over that before.



Never been to one so never knew this. If the girls and drinks aren't cheap why do Indian men all flock to these clubs? Is it because there's much less fear of rejection by the girls?

Maybe I'll drag MP to one in a couple of weeks![/QUOTE]Indian clubs are often frequented by lesser educated Indians or Indian agents who bring groups of lesser educated Indians and confine them into these clubs so whatever BS they throw, it will all be contained within those walls.

It's a good thing for the more educated and well behaved Indians whose reputations are damaged by those men.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2844817]Thermae prices have been 2500 baht ST for the prettier girls for many years. Some still charge 2500 others will ask 3000 now. Yes you can still get the not so young or pretty girls for 2000 or less at the end of the night if they have been standing around the bar for 5 hours with no takers. Those aren't usually the ones I would ever target at Thermae. Like Nyezhov if a girl wants 3000 and she's hot enough I'll take her. Reputation does matter in these places and gogo bars although we've had member disputes over that before.

[/QUOTE]Thank you for the tip. Will keep in mind next time I get in.

[QUOTE=SladeWilson;2844742]Where is the best place to get European freelancer? Any recommended app or bar or road? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Try seeking arrangement if you have the money.

Can any boots on the ground speak to the TF / Online situation right now in BKK?

I'll be there in a week so I started TF to line up some prospects and it seems like there are more civvies than last year. I didn't have any luck with civvies in BKK last year and even the FLers on TF in BKK were pretty meh. Conversely thus far I'm getting a lot of good feedback and a good amount of civvies lined up.

I think tourism numbers perhaps are down from this time last year and the economic situation must be worse for Thais in general.

Anyways, curious what those that are there have to say.

I'll report once I'm there.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2844871]No.

But cute Persian girls? Girls? Ya mean women like the Burkha Babes on Soi 4? Ewwww.

I'm with you Boi I'm on my way to Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]I have no idea why but IRL I really seem to click with young cutesy Persian girls under 30, or are Persian civvies friendly to everyone? So was curious to see if I could meet some less Westernized ones in Thailand. Zero plans to go to Middle East any time soon.

Jealous of you going to FRA. Was just checking out hotel prices in FRA for next Spring and they're ridiculously higher than I remember. I usually stay near Oase cause I prefer the old Euro town feel. At least NRW isn't sky high. Need to be out of Japan for the chaos known as Sakura season and Golden Week.

Hi all,

It's hopefully my first of many trips into BKK, my wife is with me so she's picked the conrad, reading around it seems its around 20 minutes walk from the action.

I was hopeing some of you could help suggest some nearby joints which are walkable from the hotel, I am fit so no issues walking. Plan was to leave the wife for a short while and head out or take her to Nana Square's Mall and leave her their while I went to a nearby shop.

Can anyone share any recomendations of either a good place or otherwise. Have been going over the thread and trying to find some decent recomendations for I guess younger girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2845151]I have no idea why but IRL I really seem to click with young cutesy Persian girls under 30, or are Persian civvies friendly to everyone? So was curious to see if I could meet some less Westernized ones in Thailand. Zero plans to go to Middle East any time soon.

Jealous of you going to FRA. Was just checking out hotel prices in FRA for next Spring and they're ridiculously higher than I remember. I usually stay near Oase cause I prefer the old Euro town feel. At least NRW isn't sky high. Need to be out of Japan for the chaos known as Sakura season and Golden Week.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Bad Homburg? I stayed there on my last trip to Oase /.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2845174]Are you talking about Bad Homburg? I stayed there on my last trip to Oase /.[/QUOTE]But what is there to do in Bad Homburg? I always stay in Frankfurt, close to the main train station. The hotels are not outrageously priced. They are rather reasonable.

Going there early September, and staying by the Haupt Bahnhoff..

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2845055]Can any boots on the ground speak to the TF / Online situation right now in BKK?

I'll be there in a week so I started TF to line up some prospects and it seems like there are more civvies than last year. I didn't have any luck with civvies in BKK last year and even the FLers on TF in BKK were pretty meh. Conversely thus far I'm getting a lot of good feedback and a good amount of civvies lined up.

I think tourism numbers perhaps are down from this time last year and the economic situation must be worse for Thais in general.

Anyways, curious what those that are there have to say.

I'll report once I'm there.[/QUOTE]Why do you think the tourist numbers are down from last year? I haven't counted the tourists but the city is heaving. A 5 km taxi ride last night took 55 minutes.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2845208]But what is there to do in Bad Homburg? I always stay in Frankfurt, close to the main train station. The hotels are not outrageously priced. [/QUOTE]Yes, Bad Homburg more specifically Friedrichsdorf. Also used to stay in Butzbach but now that World has gone to shit I no longer do that. When I go to Germany it's to unwind in small towns and FKK clubs. I never set foot in Frankfurt only to go to Palace and 12 Apostle. I find Frankfurt a very boring city.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2845151]I have no idea why but IRL I really seem to click with young cutesy Persian girls under 30, or are Persian civvies friendly to everyone? So was curious to see if I could meet some less Westernized ones in Thailand. Zero plans to go to Middle East any time soon.

Jealous of you going to FRA. Was just checking out hotel prices in FRA for next Spring and they're ridiculously higher than I remember. I usually stay near Oase cause I prefer the old Euro town feel. At least NRW isn't sky high. Need to be out of Japan for the chaos known as Sakura season and Golden Week.[/QUOTE]I feel like orices for hotels in europe went up after covid and they have to come back down. It's not just a small amount either. I used to find hotels in Berlin for under $50 a night, but now they're hard to find under $100 unless you book way in advance.

Also, I hate frankfurt. Worst german city by far in terms of finding things to do, and the red light district there is just horrific -- the smell of urine, people doing meth all over the place in plain site, filthy streets and sidewalks. It's all very un-german. I don't know what's happened. I generally avoided FKKs while I was there for reasons I won't go into.

[QUOTE=SamSam2;2845160]Hi all,

It's hopefully my first of many trips into BKK, my wife is with me so she's picked the conrad, reading around it seems its around 20 minutes walk from the action.

I was hopeing some of you could help suggest some nearby joints which are walkable from the hotel, I am fit so no issues walking. Plan was to leave the wife for a short while and head out or take her to Nana Square's Mall and leave her their while I went to a nearby shop.

Can anyone share any recomendations of either a good place or otherwise. Have been going over the thread and trying to find some decent recomendations for I guess younger girls.[/QUOTE]If you want BKK to be a regular thing, make sure the wife has a good time. I'd recommend a spa for her. There are some cheaper options and the time she spends there will probably be about the time you need to do your thing. Plus, less danger of her calling you in an hour because she's tired shopping.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2845216]Yes, Bad Homburg more specifically Friedrichsdorf. Also used to stay in Butzbach but now that World has gone to shit I no longer do that. When I go to Germany it's to unwind in small towns and FKK clubs. I never set foot in Frankfurt only to go to Palace and 12 Apostle. I find Frankfurt a very boring city.[/QUOTE]Bad homburg is a cool little place with very nice parks and some baths and some cheap hotels I really enjoyed it. Hang out and relax during the day then hit Oase at night.

I think I'm going to go to darmstadt and do sharks.

But back on topic I was bored yesterday and finally up and running after coming back from Cambodia and about 2 weeks of wanking since Siem Reap is not a mongers heaven. So I played with Fiwfans and ended up schlepping around near Suttisan MRT to bang some girl that didn't look like her picture. I was so deep into the back sois during rush hour that I just did it anyway, and it was a girl I never would have picked out in person. But it was something to do, and later on that night I smashed one of my regulars just to do a twofer. That takes care of my needs until I leave Bangkok next week.

If you are a visitor here, I would pay no attention to Fiwfans at all. Firstly, you're never going to get a guarantee that what you see is what you get. The girl I did had reviews, and still didn't look like her pictures. But by the time you figure that out, you're going to be in an area that will probably scare the shit out of you if you've never been to Thailand before, ie poor lighting, insane drivers, busted sidewalks, etc.

And it's no bargain besides, my cab ride after the deed down to Asoke was 280 baht. And that's on the meter, with my resident's ability to grab a cab for a trip like that on the meter from the back soi when you're the only white dude around. If you're a rookie, you're going to get murdered.

I'm sure I'll use Fiwfans in the future, but I will confess to my mistake which was doing it around rush hour. I'll also try to pick a girl in and more accessible area. But quite frankly, for me, it's easier just to pick my fat ass up off the couch, put the bong down, and roll down to the circus.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2845240]If you are a visitor here, I would pay no attention to Fiwfans at all. Firstly, you're never going to get a guarantee that what you see is what you get. The girl I did had reviews, and still didn't look like her pictures. But by the time you figure that out, you're going to be in an area that will probably scare the shit out of you if you've never been to Thailand before, ie poor lighting, insane drivers, busted sidewalks, etc.

And it's no bargain besides, my cab ride after the deed down to Asoke was 280 baht. And that's on the meter, with my resident's ability to grab a cab for a trip like that on the meter from the back soi when you're the only white dude around. If you're a rookie, you're going to get murdered.

I'm sure I'll use Fiwfans in the future, but I will confess to my mistake which was doing it around rush hour. I'll also try to pick a girl in and more accessible area. But quite frankly, for me, it's easier just to pick my fat ass up off the couch, put the bong down, and roll down to the circus.[/QUOTE]I tried fiwfans for the first time in my last trip. Think you just need to figure out which district are closest to you. If you're comfortable on a motobike, transport won't do much dmg. Around 40 bucks one way but might be a lot more if taking a cab. Places I went to didn't seem shady. Surprisingly most of my visits was to a family hotel, you know which one if you've been.

Been on this thread as I might swing by BKK early Sept. Bumped into your post and double checked your DXB posts.

Check DM in a while, will share some tips for BKK. Not easy with the lady in tow, but try your luck!!

[QUOTE=SamSam2;2845160]Hi all,

It's hopefully my first of many trips into BKK, my wife is with me so she's picked the conrad, reading around it seems its around 20 minutes walk from the action.

I was hopeing some of you could help suggest some nearby joints which are walkable from the hotel, I am fit so no issues walking. Plan was to leave the wife for a short while and head out or take her to Nana Square's Mall and leave her their while I went to a nearby shop.

Can anyone share any recomendations of either a good place or otherwise. Have been going over the thread and trying to find some decent recomendations for I guess younger girls.[/QUOTE]

For your first visit, I would keep the visit very simple. I doubt you're spending more than a week in BBK with your wife. I would stick to the Nana plaza, Soi Cowboy, and Thermae Cafe. It might be.

More expensive, but it requires much less effort.

There's also massage shops on soi 23 (make a left out of Soi Cowboy, walk about 5 minutes and a bunch of massage shops on your right). These can also be cheap options. I usually pay 1500 total for the HR massage + CFS. But I personally don't think 2000 baht is bad for a newbie who's never negotiated in BKK before. These MP girls don't usually like to kiss, so it's usually not the most GFE session.

If you're set on FiwFans, just remember it requires quite a bit of planning and research. You'll need to check the profiles, see if they're nearby, check their reviews, check the reviewers' profiles to see if they're legit, etc. It pays off really well, as I've had some amazing GFE sessions. But it does require quite a bit of time initially. And as you can see, people like Nyezhov get turned off by it. I did initially, too. Until I gave it a second, more serious attempt.

[QUOTE=SamSam2;2845160]Hi all,

It's hopefully my first of many trips into BKK, my wife is with me so she's picked the conrad, reading around it seems its around 20 minutes walk from the action.

I was hopeing some of you could help suggest some nearby joints which are walkable from the hotel, I am fit so no issues walking. Plan was to leave the wife for a short while and head out or take her to Nana Square's Mall and leave her their while I went to a nearby shop.

Can anyone share any recomendations of either a good place or otherwise. Have been going over the thread and trying to find some decent recomendations for I guess younger girls.[/QUOTE]

I was just there in early June. I found a cutie (Duen) on TF. She quoted me 2500 for 12 hours, unlimited sex. I didn't negotiate any further and took her at her offer. I think the normal price is about 3000-5000 for LT in BKK on TF and 1500-2000 for ST (some of the younger ladies). This was my personal experience.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2845055]Can any boots on the ground speak to the TF / Online situation right now in BKK?

I'll be there in a week so I started TF to line up some prospects and it seems like there are more civvies than last year. I didn't have any luck with civvies in BKK last year and even the FLers on TF in BKK were pretty meh. Conversely thus far I'm getting a lot of good feedback and a good amount of civvies lined up.

I think tourism numbers perhaps are down from this time last year and the economic situation must be worse for Thais in general.

Anyways, curious what those that are there have to say.

I'll report once I'm there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2845369]For your first visit, I would keep the visit very simple. I doubt you're spending more than a week in BBK with your wife. I would stick to the Nana plaza, Soi Cowboy, and Thermae Cafe. It might be.

More expensive, but it requires much less effort.

There's also massage shops on soi 23 (make a left out of Soi Cowboy, walk about 5 minutes and a bunch of massage shops on your right). These can also be cheap options. I usually pay 1500 total for the HR massage + CFS. But I personally don't think 2000 baht is bad for a newbie who's never negotiated in BKK before. These MP girls don't usually like to kiss, so it's usually not the most GFE session.

If you're set on FiwFans, just remember it requires quite a bit of planning and research. You'll need to check the profiles, see if they're nearby, check their reviews, check the reviewers' profiles to see if they're legit, etc. It pays off really well, as I've had some amazing GFE sessions. But it does require quite a bit of time initially. And as you can see, people like Nyezhov get turned off by it. I did initially, too. Until I gave it a second, more serious attempt.[/QUOTE]These massage shops outside Soi Cowboy it must be said. There are No attractive providers. You could find a cute one every now and then pre Cobbida but now NOTHING.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2845319]I tried fiwfans for the first time in my last trip. Think you just need to figure out which district are closest to you. If you're comfortable on a motobike, transport won't do much dmg. Around 40 bucks one way but might be a lot more if taking a cab. Places I went to didn't seem shady. Surprisingly most of my visits was to a family hotel, you know which one if you've been.[/QUOTE]I've been cruising BKK since before the Skytrain was there. I know where I am going and how to get there. If you're a newbie, you're going to be deep into the Thai areas. And I never said the word shady, there are other hazards in Bangkok besides crime or shady areas. Nor do I care about saving money, and I don't ride motorbikes.

Despite with any fan boy it might say, it's a waste of time for a casual visitor or mongerer to use Fiw. You don't save that much money if you are freaked out about your budget, you'll end up in some God forsaken area where the hell off of the main road, and you're not necessarily going to get what the picture shows. That's after you spend a couple of hours flipping through photoshopped pictures. Add to that the fact that these girls generally Service Tire customers as opposed to westerners. I would use it again if necessary, but it's so easy just to leave my condo and just grab something that I can inspect in person first.

On a personal note, I love being lectured and how to find my way around Bangkok by people who are only on their first few trips with all the transport now available. You should have been here when the taxis didn't have electronic meters and their were no trains or subways.

I am from India and travelling to Bangkok next month. I'the like some guidance from seniors from Thailand / Bangkok if there's an option like "rent a girlfriend concept" like in Japan for sightseeing and few extra service for a period of 2 days.

And is it good to explore MR to find chicks for FS or wander out in walking street and avoid inviting girls in hotel.

My stay will be short 2-3 days max and would like to explore Thai lifestyle and also explore the chicks around.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2845408]I've been cruising BKK since before the Skytrain was there. I know where I am going and how to get there. If you're a newbie, you're going to be deep into the Thai areas. And I never said the word shady, there are other hazards in Bangkok besides crime or shady areas. Nor do I care about saving money, and I don't ride motorbikes.

Despite with any fan boy it might say, it's a waste of time for a casual visitor or mongerer to use Fiw. You don't save that much money if you are freaked out about your budget, you'll end up in some God forsaken area where the hell off of the main road, and you're not necessarily going to get what the picture shows. That's after you spend a couple of hours flipping through photoshopped pictures. Add to that the fact that these girls generally Service Tire customers as opposed to westerners. I would use it again if necessary, but it's so easy just to leave my condo and just grab something that I can inspect in person first.

On a personal note, I love being lectured and how to find my way around Bangkok by people who are only on their first few trips with all the transport now available. You should have been here when the taxis didn't have electronic meters and their were no trains or subways.[/QUOTE]Whoa sorry didn't mean to offend you just giving a different opinion and experience.

At MickeyDuck1208 Thanks buddy ill see you in the transit lounge.

At SinfullyKorean. Thanks for the advise, you are right its a trip of 5 days with my wife. Being a newbie in BKK I probably don't know the ways here but I have mongered in other parts of the world and its been good fun, hopefully I can get around what you pay. Just a question which sound a little stupid. I've seen places like Dream Massage which adverise I think 3000, does that include the girls tip? What is a general massage around and I assume you negociate with the girl in the shop?

I am after simlicity as my wife won't know what I am upto (I hope not) and being at the conrad, Nana plaza seems close and in honesty I am after simplicity so should that be on FiwFans or on the streets.

Thanks for your advise, any other advise for a first timer in BKK is always appreaicted.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2845369]For your first visit, I would keep the visit very simple. I doubt you're spending more than a week in BBK with your wife. I would stick to the Nana plaza, Soi Cowboy, and Thermae Cafe. It might be.

More expensive, but it requires much less effort.

There's also massage shops on soi 23 (make a left out of Soi Cowboy, walk about 5 minutes and a bunch of massage shops on your right). These can also be cheap options. I usually pay 1500 total for the HR massage + CFS. But I personally don't think 2000 baht is bad for a newbie who's never negotiated in BKK before. These MP girls don't usually like to kiss, so it's usually not the most GFE session.

If you're set on FiwFans, just remember it requires quite a bit of planning and research. You'll need to check the profiles, see if they're nearby, check their reviews, check the reviewers' profiles to see if they're legit, etc. It pays off really well, as I've had some amazing GFE sessions. But it does require quite a bit of time initially. And as you can see, people like Nyezhov get turned off by it. I did initially, too. Until I gave it a second, more serious attempt.[/QUOTE]

Average massage will be 200-300 baht per HR in Bangkok. Oil massage will usually cost about 300-500. This is what they normally want you to get if you want full service (sex). If there is no written price above 2000, you will need to negotiate with the girl. If you had more time, I'd suggest negotiating down to 1000-1500 for the girl. Since you're only staying 5 days, with wife in tow, I think you'll have an easy time with 2000.

The massage shops with prices listed at above 2000 usually include full service and body to body massage. If you want, you can confirm with the receptionist. There's always a receptionist / mamasan to welcome you and ask you who you want. Make sure to tell her you want to see the ladies first. She'll bring them out and give you a lineup. Feel free to walk out if you don't see anything you like.

If you read through this forum, you should see a soi (street) with a bunch of full service massage shops. Maybe soi 26 near prom phong bts station.

[QUOTE=SamSam2;2845503]At MickeyDuck1208 Thanks buddy ill see you in the transit lounge.

At SinfullyKorean. Thanks for the advise, you are right its a trip of 5 days with my wife. Being a newbie in BKK I probably don't know the ways here but I have mongered in other parts of the world and its been good fun, hopefully I can get around what you pay. Just a question which sound a little stupid. I've seen places like Dream Massage which adverise I think 3000, does that include the girls tip? What is a general massage around and I assume you negociate with the girl in the shop?

I am after simlicity as my wife won't know what I am upto (I hope not) and being at the conrad, Nana plaza seems close and in honesty I am after simplicity so should that be on FiwFans or on the streets.

Thanks for your advise, any other advise for a first timer in BKK is always appreaicted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2845580]Average massage will be 200-300 baht per HR in Bangkok. Oil massage will usually cost about 300-500. This is what they normally want you to get if you want full service (sex). If there is no written price above 2000, you will need to negotiate with the girl. If you had more time, I'd suggest negotiating down to 1000-1500 for the girl. Since you're only staying 5 days, with wife in tow, I think you'll have an easy time with 2000.

The massage shops with prices listed at above 2000 usually include full service and body to body massage. If you want, you can confirm with the receptionist. There's always a receptionist / mamasan to welcome you and ask you who you want. Make sure to tell her you want to see the ladies first. She'll bring them out and give you a lineup. Feel free to walk out if you don't see anything you like.

If you read through this forum, you should see a soi (street) with a bunch of full service massage shops. Maybe soi 26 near prom phong bts station.[/QUOTE]While you can go regular massage seems like you have coin and should try the bigger nicer places with a full Nuru or soapy experience. Poseidon. Daisy dream (haven't tried. Looks good). Clearly gogos and fwifans are non starters since you can't bring a girl back. Def stick to massage joints.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2845586]While you can go regular massage seems like you have coin and should try the bigger nicer places with a full Nuru or soapy experience. Poseidon. Daisy dream (haven't tried. Looks good). Clearly gogos and fwifans are non starters since you can't bring a girl back. Def stick to massage joints.[/QUOTE]Some gogos had short time rooms nearby or could have been pattaya when I did that. Possible beer bars w / rooms nearby too.

Most gogo bar girls will know where the short time rooms are at. I think they're only about 400-500 baht.

As for fiwfans, it's usually an incall setup. So you're going to their location.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2845586]While you can go regular massage seems like you have coin and should try the bigger nicer places with a full Nuru or soapy experience. Poseidon. Daisy dream (haven't tried. Looks good). Clearly gogos and fwifans are non starters since you can't bring a girl back. Def stick to massage joints.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2845641]Most gogo bar girls will know where the short time rooms are at. I think they're only about 400-500 baht.

As for fiwfans, it's usually an incall setup. So you're going to their location.[/QUOTE]True and accurate. I'm just thinking with the wife and the fact that he's staying at the Conrad go least fuss and risk possible. Go survey the merchandise. Point and pick. Fuck on site. Good news is there are multiple options but that seems the most foolproof.

Hmmm. Even though this forum exists for talking about chicks we'd like to fuck, weirdly everyone is talking about Indian fellas? Uh. Ok I might as well add my two cents. I remember last year on my blow out 3 week sex-travaganza trip when I was at Nana Plaza, I saw this kinda weird thing. There was this small group of dudes from the 'sub-continent', and one of them' just as he's about to walk into one of the bars, the doorman immediately barred him and said you can't go in and waved him away. I'd never seen that before. I also did observe that they do tend to travel in groups, more often than other races / nationalities. But as to the other tropes, like them being cheap, or sharing one beer between 5 guys when in a bar, I have personally never witnessed it, but then again when I'm in Bangkok I'm there for the girls, so I don't really notice what other hobbyists are doing. In my world travels, I've seen all manner of assholes be all manner of skin color. So, I don't know fellas. It's kinda weird you all be here talking about dudes, and what they may or may not be like or how they may or may not be treated like, when we should be discussing chicks. Hot, hot, sexy Thai chicks. Ok, sure, it's pretty much a given if you're a white dude, you go anywhere in the world you're worshipped like a God, that's a fact, that's how the world works, it sucks for most of the world, it's great for the lucky dudes who are white. If you're any shade of yellow, brown or darker, it's a sad reality of the human experience that you'll get discriminated against. Everyone knows this, I'm just saying the quiet part out loud. There's no use talking about how Indians are treated in Thailand, or how they have a bad reputation as tourists. If you really want to get into it, then this full faced tattoo fella might be your cup of tea, cause he really, really likes to talk about how Indian people are, and he gets to say all that and more cause drumroll. He's Indian himself. *.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiQu6r_9QPk[/URL]

I don't know though fellas,*I'll leave it to you guys to judge. Since everyone here is so fascinated by Indian fellas in Thailand let's keep the conversation going. The dude does have almost 60 k subscribers, based on what I know about Youtube, that and his view count, he could conceivably make around 2 grand a month. Not bad for someone living in Thailand. *.

It's a sad reality of literal millennia of human history that people of darker complexions get treated like shit. Yes, Indians do have a certain reputation, but so do all other*peoples. I don't want to talk about sad stuff dudes, let's focus on the chicks man. Which babes in what bars, massage places have you seen recently? Was she good? How much was she? Stuff like that. Let's talk about*that cool stuff. Man, I went through hell in South East Asia decades ago for my country, I'm just old and tired now. Old and desperate, I finally succumbed and went to a massage joint for some sex here in the sexual wasteland that's the good ol' USA, and man oh man, the amount of money I paid for a very subpar experience I coulda gotten three 90 minute really good sessions in Bangkok. Makes me want to unlife myself. Not one to give up so easily I walked down a few blocks and found another joint where no sex was provided, but the HJ was great, and I got to suck on some titties. You guys are so lucky to be in Bangkok you know that? Instead of trolling each other, talking shit about people from other parts of the world, let's focus on giving good, decent, detailed reports on what matters most. Chicks. *.

So. To the chicks. Again, it's good to know Haru (now known as BB) is still around. As much as I like Noey I like her better cause she let me do more stuff. I like how they spelled their website as "Bangkak" instead of Bangkok, makes it so much easier to find online. God knows there must be a million 'smile massages' in Bangkok. I wonder why so many left BKK Happy and moved there? Don't matter. So long as they're still around for God knows when I can make it back. I'm in the midst of securing some income, will try to work these weary bones so I can make me some cash, so that if the world doesn't implode by 2025, maybe, just maybe I can make it back. Man oh man, I hope those same girls will still be around by then, I know it's a long shot, they move around quite a lot. *.

I first noticed the whole BBFS thing from butterfly some months ago, and I've only ever seen*it on one other site. But I wouldn't be surprised if other sites start stating it. I think it's something that's picking up in Thailand, I know it's always been there, kinda under the radar where you arrange with the chick if she's cool with it for extra cash, but to see it out in the open on websites, that's kinda unusual for Thailand. I myself have never actively pursued it in Thailand, but yes I've been offered it. And believe*you me, I've been tempted. I mentioned either in this forum or another one that I did succumb years ago with a chick here. By the time I went to see her again the 2nd, 3rd time, etc, all pretense of the condom was out the door, it was like being with a hot, sexy girlfriend that just wanted your seed inside her. But alas, the chicks here aren't affordable anymore. Not that they were that affordable to begin with years ago. By the time I left the game here in the northeast, it was already 200 bucks a pop. Now? It's damn near 400 bucks. Jesus wept. 400 US Dollars? You got to be kidding me. Want to blame Japanese people for upping the average price of girls in Thailand? How about blame*the idiot Wall Street types for causing hot*chicks in most big cities to cost so much. Thank God for local 'privats' in cities like Prague. You can at least still get hot babes for about 100 bucks there, no guarantee on service, but ain't it worse if you pay more and the service still sucks? At least in Thailand, if you walk away from a subpar session, you can*just tell yourself "oh well, at least it didn't cost so much". She was great though, still remember her name to this day. I know. I know I can find someone like her in Bangkok at a fraction of what I paid here in the states, but even without a condom, my dick just doesn't want to cooperate no more, I absolutely need pharmaceutical assistance, and with all the travels I've done, Thailand's the only place in the world where I've found said pharmaceutical help that works best for me, sans prescription too. I'm an old man fellas. *.

Why aren't there more Ukrainian girls in Thailand now with all that's been happening? Want to talk about reputations though, I hear that Ukrainian girls are expensive and have a pretty high and mighty type attitude compared to their eastern, central european counterparts. Then again, maybe not. I'm way too lazy to go over my own old reviews, but it could have been a Ukrainian chick I fucked back in Prague that one time, and she was super sweet. See fellas, shouldn't brush everyone with a single stroke. Ok fine, who cares about how dudes are anyway, but I always contend that chicks from all over the world are worth fucking if they're sweet. To hell with perceived tropes and reputations. I mean, I'll be upfront with ya'll, I too avoid Air India, apparently people from the subcontinent have an effect on one's olfactory organs, but if Priya Price (I know she's not actually Indian, but who cares) or Priya Rai was standing in front of me buck naked, ready to fuck, I sure as hell ain't going to say no, ha!*.

Ok, I've joined in the conversation to continue inane and pointless stuff. Now, let's get back to talking about girls, please someone report on a trip or something. Tell us about a hidden gem of a girl, some new massage joint we never heard of. An awesome bar girl you met. Please, report on that. I can say all this cause I freakin' contributed, I always do, just look back on all my reports from all over the world. And you can be damn sure if I'm still alive long enough for another Bangkok trip, I'll report it alright. *.

What you're describing kinda sounds like an escort you'd get for a day or 2. I did something like back in one of my past Bangkok trips. Got the chick for a day, spend some time doing touristy stuff, she took me to 'Asiatique', who knew Bangkok had a big ferris wheel type place, went back to my hotel, fucked, etc. I got her again for another day the next week, but sure I coulda paid her for 2 days in a row. If you're talking about those websites where you pay a local to show you around, I think they screen for that stuff, cause they don't want to be messing around with prostitution. Yeah man, just get an escort for 2 days. Or better yet, get a different one for each day.

[QUOTE=KalaBairava;2845441]I am from India and travelling to Bangkok next month. I'the like some guidance from seniors from Thailand / Bangkok if there's an option like "rent a girlfriend concept" like in Japan for sightseeing and few extra service for a period of 2 days.

And is it good to explore MR to find chicks for FS or wander out in walking street and avoid inviting girls in hotel.

My stay will be short 2-3 days max and would like to explore Thai lifestyle and also explore the chicks around.[/QUOTE]

I've been to Sharks! Pre-Covid days of course, I still remember my train ride from Frankfurt to Darmsdat and took a cab to the place. It was years ago, but I recall it was good.

I too second this fiwfans thing, I think if you're limited on time, just walk into places like those in Phrom Phong or Huai Kwang. Talent is there for you to choose, and there's kinda enough reviews out there in forums to be able to identify the talented girls.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2845240]Bad homburg is a cool little place with very nice parks and some baths and some cheap hotels I really enjoyed it. Hang out and relax during the day then hit Oase at night.

I think I'm going to go to darmstadt and do sharks.

But back on topic I was bored yesterday and finally up and running after coming back from Cambodia and about 2 weeks of wanking since Siem Reap is not a mongers heaven. So I played with Fiwfans and ended up schlepping around near Suttisan MRT to bang some girl that didn't look like her picture. I was so deep into the back sois during rush hour that I just did it anyway, and it was a girl I never would have picked out in person. But it was something to do, and later on that night I smashed one of my regulars just to do a twofer. That takes care of my needs until I leave Bangkok next week.

If you are a visitor here, I would pay no attention to Fiwfans at all. Firstly, you're never going to get a guarantee that what you see is what you get. The girl I did had reviews, and still didn't look like her pictures. But by the time you figure that out, you're going to be in an area that will probably scare the shit out of you if you've never been to Thailand before, ie poor lighting, insane drivers, busted sidewalks, etc.

And it's no bargain besides, my cab ride after the deed down to Asoke was 280 baht. And that's on the meter, with my resident's ability to grab a cab for a trip like that on the meter from the back soi when you're the only white dude around. If you're a rookie, you're going to get murdered.

I'm sure I'll use Fiwfans in the future, but I will confess to my mistake which was doing it around rush hour. I'll also try to pick a girl in and more accessible area. But quite frankly, for me, it's easier just to pick my fat ass up off the couch, put the bong down, and roll down to the circus.[/QUOTE]

I think it depends on the place where they work, at best it's once every few months. On their own, not regularly. Heck, for a lot of them, they don't go for a yearly check up, cause it is what it is. If they could afford a better life where regular check ups was a thing, they wouldn't be fucking us. Sad but true. Then again, I've met a lot of people here in the states that can more than afford a regular check up, but won't do it until they have a heart attack, ha!

[QUOTE=NinjaGoku;2843928]Do girls working as Independents and massage parlors get regularly tested for STD like HIV and all?[/QUOTE]

What you say is true dude. In my interactions with chicks in Thailand, when the conversation goes onto their experiences with other customers from around the world, in every instance, every girl I've met and I've met many in Bangkok, said they don't like Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc. They throw in something called 'malays' as well, plus arabs. Them's the way the cookie crumbles. They would state stuff like those dudes are disrespectful, cheap, borderline violent, hairy, etc. First up, regardless of your skin color, always be a gentlemen with these chicks, God knows their life ain't exactly a bed of roses since they're out there fucking us! And, for the love of God fellas, shave yourself down there. Every girl I've met, not just in Thailand, but everywhere, appreciates smooth and clean plumbing on which they can ply their trade. Granted, some Thai girls don't shave down there too, and I don't like that, but most Thai girls, do have it shaved or tastefully trimmed. It ain't your fault dude that your peoples are perceived like that, but you do what you can. Say, quick question dude, I saw this fascinating documentary about the caste system in India, how true is that in this day and age? Man, that is something, 3 thousand year old tradition of defining people by birth. I know life sucks here for a lot of people in the states, but for the lowest caste in India, it sounds like a real living hell.

[QUOTE=Kadaklaunda;2844065]Disclaimer: This post doesn't mean to offend anyone of caste, creed, colour or religion. It is based on my personal experience and observations as an Indian tourist mongering in Bangkok. Sent from phone: please excuse, brevity and any typos.

So I have been long wanting to travel to Bangkok from India for obvious reasons and made full use of this forum to find best massage parlours, go-go bars and of course the most suited accommodation. I am returning today as I type this post and here's what I learnt that maybe more relevant and useful for fellow Indians and Bangladeshis whom I saw in good numbers.

My Stay: After doing a thorough research I booked my stay in Ruamchitt Plaza hotel which is close to Asoke (Soi Cowboy) and Nana Plaza famous for bars like Spankey's where girls dance topless showing attractive breasts. Positives of Ruamchitt was that the hotel was clean and I only paid 5000 baht for 4 nights including breakfast. Of course the famous Thermae bar is sitting right at the bottom of the hotel. To add, hotel is close to Terminal 21 if one needs to shop and to many eateries where one can find all kinds of food including Indian options. There is a currency exchange counter right at the entrance of the hotel offering best exchange rate on dollar (35.13 baht) when I left.

Day 1: I reach the hotel by 6.30 in the evening though my Indigo flight landed Suvarnabhumi around 4. 30 pm. I had applied for E-Visa on Arrival so that was time saving. I had made bookings for KK at Wonder Massage when my flight was taking off from India. Earlier, I also tried to book Pam from Doki Doki, Kitty from Bunny Massage and Alice from Momo massage but heard from their managers that these girls were away. Coordination and booking with Wonder Massage happened over line app and it was a breeze.

So finally, there I am at Wonder Massage (8 minutes walk from my hotel) and I greet KK who is dark and attractive with amazing natural figure and big curvy boobs with perfect pointy nipples (kind I like). I booked Nuru Massage for 3000 baht for 60 minutes but the Jacuzzi was not worth it. The boob rub on the back felt nice but I should have taken a standard room just to enjoy this girl and that would have saved 500-700 baht for me. Sex was amazing because I was instantly attracted to her and I kind of eased her into a conversation as suggested by a fellow monger which opened the communication doors for us. She speaks broken English but it's much better than many Thai girls and she can be very chatty once you start asking her questions. But make sure to strike the right balance because she herself said she is a lazy person and at times she would stop massaging and only chitchat. Her massage wasn't great but f**ing her was. So that should be your sole aim.

After a long journey and having a good time I thought I will crash but I was amazed with my own stamina and will to explore so next I walked to Nana Plaza. I had heard about the girls dancing topless in Spankey's so I only entered there though there were options like Billboard and Butterfly. Got a drink for 200 baht and liked one of the dancing girls. So asked the waitress to call her and sit in the last row corner seat. Spankey's is a small bar and the there's lot of action happening on the dance floor. Most men sit in the front to watch girls up close but when you buy a drink for a girl and sit in corner seat of back row that's when you can feel the girl and enjoy the moment- both on the floor and in the lap or next to you. Luckily, my girl was tired after dancing, and she took this as break. She took 30 minutes to finish her drink so even though the waitress wasn't happy I kept pushing her back saying the drink is still not finished. The girl probably thought I will barfine but I had no intentions of spending 4000 baht on that. So, after having a great time with her I left Spankey's after 50 minutes. Yes folks! In just 400 baht I had the privilege to enjoy the naked dance and the girl which was totally worth it.

Bangkok is extremely humid and sultry, so I thought I am done for the day! Oh, but wait! When I reached my hotel, I was extremely curious to check out the Thermae bar. It was already 11.30 pm by then. I picked up a lady, but I will talk about it in details later.

Day 2: I was curious to know about sandwich nuru massage and I booked Nana and Wawa at Ola Ola massage at 10.30 am. It was 10 minutes walk from my hotel. My first preference were Patty and Whisky but both were away hence Nana and Wawa. I chose a 90 minutes nuru massage package which was a big home (6000 baht for 4 shots) in my pocket. I negotiated but there were no discounts and I was only offered Jacuzzi as extra complimentary which otherwise was priced 500 baht extra. Very clever! Anyways Nana was young and had a great body and boobs. Wawa looked much older than the photograph that was shown but they tried their best to please me. Again the boobs felt nice on my back and they had a nuru mat and then a Jacuzzi. I enjoyed the whole experience but it was nothing close to one watches in porn. So best is to avoid it and save money! The two girls tried talking to me and were not chitchatting between themselves which was my fear. I had sex with both of them for which I had to change condoms. First with Wawa but she was slightly old and had put on weight. So preferred to have sex with Nana and cum. The session ended with 2nd shot being a handjob from Wawa as Nana licked my ears and I played with her nipples.

After the morning experience I slept for some time, went to Bacarra at Soi Cowboy and got a drink. But these places are very different from Nana and I walked out after 20 minutes as girls were only interested in Japanese and Korean men.

At night, went to Thermar again and picked up a girl. Details later.

Day 3: Was bored of usual stuff so went to Analisa massage in the afternoon. Booked Luna for a 60 minutes of Tantric massage which was a mix of sensual massage, massaging my balls and dick, prostate massage and BJ and HJ. It costed my 2100 baht. Luna was extremely proficient in her communication and spoke good English. She didn't indugle I'm any conversation from her side though but patiently answered all my questions- a trick that I usually use to be friendly with girls. She's been with the establishment for 5 years and is extremely good with the massage. I paid for that I enjoyed it to the max. But Prostate Massage where she puts a finger inside your butthole and strokes your dick with another hand is not my kind of thing. Better to avoid it! But after 60 minutes of stroking my dick and balls, BJ (only with condom atleast in this place) and finally HJ l, I came like how! Great experience!

Day 1,2,3- Decoding Thermae Bar.

Ok, so here are some observations and tips not limited to Thermae but overall 'boom boom' scene in Bangkok.

1) Indians and Bangladeshis and others of darker skin colour are not preferred by Thai girls / ladies. In short, we are not their first choice. The reason I felt is because the way Indian bald uncle's with their round tummies, bermudas and chappals walk in and treat the girls is not appreciated. The young Indian muscular dudes with their beards and buffed up bodies could be desirable in India but the girls here call us 'King-Kong' and reject us outright.

2) What do I do- Dress properly (decent Hawaiians shirts, nice pair of trousers+ shoes and blend in, keep a clean shave and always keep my smile on and hands folded to greet them whenever I pass them or look at them.

2) Thermae Bar has 4 categories of girls- 'A+' category which comes in the bar at 7. 30-8 pm and disappears in no time. 'A' type girls who are eventually taken by mostly Japanese, Koreans and finally Westeners and they are confident that they will find takers. Now the 'be' type girls is what I am interested in. They could be slightly old (age group of 30-35), decent looking but certainly not bombshells or are desperate for money because they just need it. So the trick is to reach Thermae around 11.30 pm, buy a drink (I usually take Pineapple juice for 80 baht) and then take a round to find your prey- The 'be' type girls and then take a convinent spot and wait till 12 to see what happens. The bar shuts at 1 am and all the leftover girls at that time are now in a hurry to find customers and make their effort productive. That's when you start polite conversation by asking their name. Tell them you are here for these many number of days and are staying upstairs in the same hotel (4 nights in my case). The going rate for all girls is 3000 baht at the moment but when you mention that you sare staying in the same hotel they quote 2500 baht. Here's when I tell them I can only offer 1500 baht for short time (one shot and 40 minutes). I have managed to get three different girls on 3 nights so far.

First lady- Miss Lucky who was 35 years old and slightly plump was quite fun. She did a booty dance for me, we bathed together, I went down on her and sex was good in different positions.

Second girl was average looking and young and felt like she needed money. She approached me and we cut the same deal. I went down on her, she came and sex was decent.

Third lady Miss Pia was about 32 years, very fair and great body. She went down on me and we actually came together while having sex. No kidding! The orgasm looked real unless she is super good at faking it. Same deal.

With all the above three girls / ladies, I offered them water, toffees and chocolates that I had and also gave them extra Japanese condoms- Okamoto that I got from India and are not that expensive. But all these things made them happy and receptive.

So in conclusion, Thai girls are drawn to Japanese and Koreans (from all age groups but more to young guys whom I saw in plenty) at Thermae. They are comfortable with them maybe for their fair colour and looks, trendy styles, better manners and the fact that they don't haggle (which in my view is stupid and is making the girls greedy). There were instances when I approached an 'A' category despite them showing no interest in me (as in refusing to look in my eye for more than few seconds, or smile or they would simply look away) but when they would refuse any offer below 3000 baht that's an indication for you that they are just not interested. And I think that's fair and no offence taken!

Sorry the post is longish but hope you find it useful![/QUOTE]

Oh my gawd dude, if you like that, then you got to go see one of the chicks I saw at Thermae. To me, I had a terrible time, but you'll find her in one of my old reports from last year, I don't remember her name right now off the top of my head, but service wasn't good, and her Bush was just lousy hairy. The kind of hairy that yes, you can fuck, but there's no feasible way to eat her out. Just no way, but since you like that stuff, I would recommend her to you.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;2844019]You have inadvertently given me a recommendation. I am always on the lookout for big Bush girls (my particular fetish). The phone usage and possible fishiness are a worry though.

BTW if anyone is looking for a small bar with a chilled vibe and 70's to 80's music that doesn't blow up your eardrums, try Sexy Night in Nana Plaza. A good place for a bit of a mood change from the full on-ness of Billboard.[/QUOTE]

Yes, there's no way better to sum it all up. If you're white, you can look like freakin' Danny Devito, chicks in Asia, South America and Africa are going to be all over you. Nobody's going to know if you're rich anyway, so long as you have enough cash. And if you're white, you're basically 'western' to everyone else in the world, doesn't matter if you're from the Siberian heartland. I remember this sad sack of a dude who was from Greece, second generation American, and he was bitchin' to me that he couldn't get chicks here in the states, cause he does look like shit, and I told him, see'Mon. Dude, I look like shit too, but I'm drowning in pussy, you know why? Cause I go to Thailand! Oh my gawd. Anyway, moron got saddled with an okay looking eastern european chick who already had a kid with some other guy. Another idiot who got saddled with some other guy's kid, just so he can have sex. Believe you me, I've fucked my fair share of eastern european chicks here looking to stay in the country, and yeah, I'll fuck them', sure as hell ain't going to marry them'.

So yes, long story short, you want to pick up chicks in Thailand? You don't even need to be rich or handsome, you just got to be white. Oh my God dudes, have you seen how many old, fat, balding, decrepit, half-dead, can hardly walk Danny Devito type white guys waddling around Thailand with young Thai chicks? I don't get it either, but this is the place for me to get laid cause Thai chicks have really low standards for the guys they fuck. And I'm a fat, ugly old guy! I fit the bill!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2843505]Be handsome, rich, and Western.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, I didn't do the Huay Kwang soapies on my last trip, I just did oilies. I know what you mean, lot going around about the decline of them soapies. But last I heard, Nataree was back in the form of 'Little Duck'. Try as I might, I have not found any reviews about it anywhere, and I wonder if that too is closed. It's the same building and everything. I meant to try some soapies when I was in Bangkok last year, I mean I was there for 3 weeks, but man, I was just too busy with the oilies and massage places in sukhumvit, phrom phong, etc. Yeah, I know with Grab, Huay Kwang is easy to get to, but it still kinda 'feels' too far. On my trip to Thailand a number of years ago, I did experience Emmanuelle, and it was ok.

Yeah, a lot of the oilies in Sukhumvit and Phrom Phong have chicks in their 20's. Not exactly fishbowl like the soapies, but definitely a line up. Sadly, I have never tried fiwfans, but I have tried escorts, not from smoochi, but direct from the agencies, and at best it's hit or miss. And believe you me, they don't look the photos. I'd say maybe 1 out of every 3 kinda look like their photos. I wrote up on one of my reviews from last year on how this one chick from an escort agency, she looked almost nothing like her photo, it was borderline disastrous. Enough you could tell it was the same chick, but oh my gawd she was terrible looking in real life. I've had enough experiences, that I'm a little averse to finding chicks on the internet, be it fiwfans or smoochi or escort sites, at least with real life line ups, whatever the service may be, you can see what she actually looks like.

[QUOTE=Optional;2843219]I used to live in Bangkok during the glory days of Nataree. Those were incredible times, I was there multiple times every week and the selection was abundant and never ending. Perhaps some of the most freshest, most beautiful girls I will ever have the opportunity to meet. So sad that Nataree is gone. La Belle, Colonze 2, and La Defense were occasionally decent too.

I am going to visit Bangkok later this month. I have not been back in Thailand since the pandemic, and I am certain things have changed. I've been reading through the posts here, and it seems like the happy days of the soapies is gone forever.

What's the best way to find fresh talent nowadays? Is it all online through FiwFans and Smoochi? Are there still places with a fishbowl and lineup that has girls in their early twenties?

I've been reading through the posts and it feels like the only good option nowadays is Fiwfans?[/QUOTE]

I will forever be curious about them deaf girls in front of Nana Plaza. Some of them were pretty hot, and there's something sexy about them' when they sign language to each other. Like any good hobbyist, I strive to fuck all kinds of girls. Young and hot, hot MILF types, every color, creed and nationality, pussy is pussy. Hot is hot. But I have never fucked a deaf girl. And of course Thailand is where you can get some. I wonder. I really wonder. Man, I got to try next time, but it's so out of my wheelhouse. I know, I know, it's a transaction like any other, but there's something sweet and vulnerable about them' you know, like you want to protect them and take care of them and stuff. You older fellas might remember that movie from the 80's 'Children of a lesser god' starring deaf super babe Marlee Matlin. Man, I had such a huge crush on her. Yeah, I bet fuckin' a deaf chick would be really hot. Cause they got that whole different way of vocalizing, yeah, I bet it'll be really sexy. Anybody here ever fucked the deaf girls in front of Nana, please share, thanks dudes!

When it comes to getting around Bangkok, I have just one word for you: GRAB.

Back in the dark ages before Grab, you got around with the relatively new at the time subway and metro, and God forbid if you fell into the nightmare known as the Bangkok taxi. And yeah, you could take the tuk-tuks, they still try to rip you off, but it will still be relatively cheap depending on what currency you brought in. But in this golden age of Grab, where you not only see who the driver is on your phone and their reviews, but you get the price quoted to you before you get in the vehicle and you can pay cash at the end of the trip, and they even give you your change back (just tip them the change). I almost exclusively used Grab on my 3 week trip last year, went all over to Bangkok's touristy spots, and it was so easy. And affordable. What taxis cost in the rest of the world, Grab in Bangkok is cheap by comparison. Gawd, I miss Bangkok. You fellas that get to be in Bangkok all the time, appreciate what you have. You have no idea how lucky you are. Bangkok is paradise, heaven on earth.

[QUOTE=MakeItOrBreak;2840604]I recently had a quite of wait for my flight coming from outside Bangkok to BKK, so I dumped my bag in storage for 150 THB at the airport. After checking options close by I decided on Lovely Spa in Minburi. I knew how traffic is midday and toward school closure I would have taken a motorbike taxi. Not sure however where to find one in BKK but maybe head to Novotel or something and order them to pick there.

Fairly small place and six ladies with primarily 6-7 looks but overall young. It will definitely help if you speak some Thai since there wasn't much English. Think cost was around 2800 THB but had to check beforehand if sex was on the table. Not sure if this is common? Either way service level was good even if massage is a bit piano so will consider going again. The driver back decided to not take the paid express and despite heavy traffic it went smoothly. But I would like to ask is there any other options worthwhile exploring around Suvarnabhumi? I will have a few more rounds at the airport this year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2845682]

So yes, long story short, you want to pick up chicks in Thailand? You don't even need to be rich or handsome, you just got to be white. [/QUOTE]You might consider Thermae as the exception to this rule.

Those that are fan of Thai massage, rather than that greasy oil alternative, may have ran into something called "nuad kasai", which to the less educated of us basically means ball/testicle massage.

Up on till yesterday I've been thinking there isn't all that much to this, except a slightly glorified wankjob. I have on occasion though met women who more obviously than others knew what they were doing, the best being a woman in Chiang Mai some 10 years ago. She obviously knew very well what she was doing, could explain it was to improve circulation and give more power, but I've never met anyone like that again.

Yesterday I was however wandering down Sukhumvit soi 33, looking for an at least somewhat pleasant looking woman for Thai massage. After a while I got the usual handjob offer (I have my own hand, thank you), which doesn't interest me much, and she wouldn't do BJ. We chatted a bit and somehow she mentioned "nuad kasai" ("nuad" means massage, "kasai" I had until yesterday been guessing means testicles, but now I'm guessing it means genitals, since she mentioned it can be done on women too).
Joking some more about this, she showed me her course certificate for completing a two day course in ball massage, which I display for my brothers amusement here.

Now, the woman herself said she was not very good at it beforehand, which turned out to be right, but I figured that if she has a license/diploma, it might at least be interesting.
Cost was 500 baht, though make sure you agree on this beforehand. She said if I wanted to shoot my shot too, it would be 1000 in total. Obviously taking the mickey of me, and I would not agree to pay more than 500, handjob and ballmassage included, but since I was only interested in the massage, I didn't care what she wanted to add a handjob.

She mentioned if I go to a hospital where they teach it, the location of which she showed me on google maps, it cost 2,500 per hour. I'm half tempted to go there just for an amusing experience, but I don't want to end up in the newspapers as "crazy farang goes to hospital looking for ball massage", as I don't really have any idea what part of the hospital it's on (reproductive problems would be my guess, but even then ...). She said both men and women go there.


Anyway, if anyone wants to try the shop is on Sukhumvit soi 33, name Kyoto massage. The woman's name is Da, around 30. The Thai massage was good, the ball massage was better than many other experiences, but if the woman in Chiang Mai was 10/10, this was only 6/10. Most others would have only been 3-4/10 though.

Book Thai massage (650 for two hours), then tell her in the cubicle you want "nuad kasai". Perhaps show her the diploma on your phone if she cannot understand your pronunciation.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2845712]You might consider Thermae as the exception to this rule.[/QUOTE]LOL yea, I remember my last trip there a white guy was coming back to the middle where his friend was waiting and told him rejected again. Then "This is the only time I wish I wasnt white" haha.

Time to Rate the Nana Plaza deaf girls.

I'd rate them Small and Not That Appealing. Usually Dark which doesn't help Thier Cause.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2845687]I will forever be curious about them deaf girls in front of Nana Plaza. Some of them were pretty hot, and there's something sexy about them' when they sign language to each other. Like any good hobbyist, I strive to fuck all kinds of girls. Young and hot, hot MILF types, every color, creed and nationality, pussy is pussy. Hot is hot. But I have never fucked a deaf girl. And of course Thailand is where you can get some. I wonder. I really wonder. Man, I got to try next time, but it's so out of my wheelhouse. I know, I know, it's a transaction like any other, but there's something sweet and vulnerable about them' you know, like you want to protect them and take care of them and stuff. You older fellas might remember that movie from the 80's 'Children of a lesser god' starring deaf super babe Marlee Matlin. Man, I had such a huge crush on her. Yeah, I bet fuckin' a deaf chick would be really hot. Cause they got that whole different way of vocalizing, yeah, I bet it'll be really sexy. Anybody here ever fucked the deaf girls in front of Nana, please share, thanks dudes![/QUOTE]I've banged one. It's fucking a quiet chick. No Japanese squealing is okay too.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2845712]You might consider Thermae as the exception to this rule.[/QUOTE]Not for me. But maybe I'm just an exceptional white guy.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2845687]I will forever be curious about them deaf girls in front of Nana Plaza. Some of them were pretty hot, and there's something sexy about them' when they sign language to each other. Like any good hobbyist, I strive to fuck all kinds of girls. Young and hot, hot MILF types, every color, creed and nationality, pussy is pussy. Hot is hot. But I have never fucked a deaf girl. And of course Thailand is where you can get some. I wonder. I really wonder. Man, I got to try next time, but it's so out of my wheelhouse. I know, I know, it's a transaction like any other, but there's something sweet and vulnerable about them' you know, like you want to protect them and take care of them and stuff. You older fellas might remember that movie from the 80's 'Children of a lesser god' starring deaf super babe Marlee Matlin. Man, I had such a huge crush on her. Yeah, I bet fuckin' a deaf chick would be really hot. Cause they got that whole different way of vocalizing, yeah, I bet it'll be really sexy. Anybody here ever fucked the deaf girls in front of Nana, please share, thanks dudes![/QUOTE]Sure. I have taken 3 of them over the years. Last one was about 2 years ago. Of those three, one gave great service, exactly what I wanted and negotiated for. They show your the sales pitch for how long is short time and how much baht on their smartphone. So if you want more info or stated requirements than that, have your smartphone at the ready too. But she was apparently just passing through, was only there for a week or so.

The other 2 were disasters.

At crunch time, one pulled a switcheroo in the room, claimed her texted agreement for "no condom ok", exactly the way it is stated on the escort or massage shop service sites we discussed recently, BTW, was misunderstood. "NO! I meant if YOU have no condom it is ok because, see, I have one. No condom, no sex"!

She wasn't the first Thai girl who came up with that one or something similar at crunch time. LOL. Now you know why I think it is important and better if the site clarifies and uses more conventional terms for Real Sex Without a Condom so the service owners, the girls and the customers are all on the same sheet of music about what is on offer with no confusion about it.

Anyway, back to the deaf girl who pulled that Me Thai, Me No Understand "no condom" bit.

My counter switcheroo was "Oh, I see. Then thanks for your time, getting naked and taking a shower. Here is 100 baht for that and a taxi. Bye. ".

The third one kept her agreement for BBFS+CIP all the way to the point of entry but, damn, she was so dull in bed up to that moment, a total rag doll and her pursed lips, grimacing and lock jaw head turns to avoid any passing glance at a kiss was such a turn off I just decided to abort the mission and save my squirt for a much better girl.

Since I had neglected to mention anything about DFK in our little smartphone negotiation after she so readily agreed to BBFS+CIP, I did not reduce the agreed upon fee of 1500 baht.

I still see her around sometimes and every time I pass by she reaches out to stop me, begging me to take her again, pointing to her lips to suggest she will be better for me next time. I doubt I will ever give her a next time.

I got very close to taking one of the better looking ones there in the past year or so. Got her Line from my perch at the lookout point bar area in Hooters after she kept turning around to smile at me, then mock sad face suggesting I really should take her because "no customer". There was some back and forth until it came to her demand for 5,000 baht for short time if I wanted BBFS+CIP. I thought that was way too much for her so I declined. Not worth my time, squirt or money.

As always, YMMV.

The different thing about fucking a deaf girl is that they have never heard the sound of pleasure as vocalized by a person having sex. So the sounds coming out of their mouth during DATY or fucking is about as natural, animalistic and sincere as it gets I suppose.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2845055]Can any boots on the ground speak to the TF / Online situation right now in BKK?



I think tourism numbers perhaps are down from this time last year and the economic situation must be worse for Thais in general.

[/QUOTE]It's definitely not down. I know people in the city who claim it's almost back to pre-pandemic levels. One person I know claims that he feels the numbers are even higher than they used to be in 2019.

If you look at the cost of hotels / rooms, they have shot up like crazy.

[QUOTE=KalaBairava;2845441]I am from India and travelling to Bangkok next month. I'the like some guidance from seniors from Thailand / Bangkok if there's an option like "rent a girlfriend concept" like in Japan for sightseeing and few extra service for a period of 2 days.

And is it good to explore MR to find chicks for FS or wander out in walking street and avoid inviting girls in hotel.

My stay will be short 2-3 days max and would like to explore Thai lifestyle and also explore the chicks around.[/QUOTE]Check out [URL]smooci.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2845693]When it comes to getting around Bangkok, I have just one word for you: GRAB.

Back in the dark ages before Grab, you got around with the relatively new at the time subway and metro, and God forbid if you fell into the nightmare known as the Bangkok taxi. And yeah, you could take the tuk-tuks, they still try to rip you off, but it will still be relatively cheap depending on what currency you brought in. But in this golden age of Grab, where you not only see who the driver is on your phone and their reviews, but you get the price quoted to you before you get in the vehicle and you can pay cash at the end of the trip, and they even give you your change back (just tip them the change). I almost exclusively used Grab on my 3 week trip last year, went all over to Bangkok's touristy spots, and it was so easy. And affordable. What taxis cost in the rest of the world, Grab in Bangkok is cheap by comparison. Gawd, I miss Bangkok. You fellas that get to be in Bangkok all the time, appreciate what you have. You have no idea how lucky you are. Bangkok is paradise, heaven on earth.[/QUOTE]Prior to the pandemic I would 100% agree with this, but this year during my recent trip, I found that in some cases Grab costs more than taxis, presumably due to peak / non-peak hours.

The main reason I avoided taxis is because they love to gouge you with fixed prices instead of using the meter. This year, traffic felt especially bad, or maybe I forgot how bad Bangkok traffic was, which meant that waiting for a Grab was annoying because they'd be so close on the map but because of the jam, they'd take forever to reach. So this year we used a mix of Grab and taxis, like once we were leaving Jodd Fair and we just asked a taxi how much back to our hotel and he quoted us 200 thb, whereas Grab quoted 250 thb, so it was a no-brainer.

My theory is that maybe taxis are feeling the impact of Grab and in some cases, might even undercut them. Of course, your mileage may vary depending on the taxi driver, but you can always do a quick search on Grab to see how much they charge and then see if the taxi charges you less, maybe even try and haggle. But at least Grab is an option now and you no longer have to fight taxi drivers and insist they use the meter.

Part 1: I was in Thailand during June and July and wanted to contribute with reports. This isn't my first time in Thailand, but this was first full on, serious, every day mongering. I'm in my 20's, European, I'm going from memory what I remember the most, this is my Bangkok report.

First stop of my trip I spent staying in Soi 4 really close to Nana Plaza. I don't drink, or smoke, or don't have any intentions in sitting whole day in a bar every day. So I found that street to be terrible place to stay. You have to be a really specific type of the person to stay there. And I'm simply not that. I spent my days exploring Bangkok, and nights mongering. Please keep in mind while reading that on the start of the trip I was a complete beginner in mongering. Also. I do FS covered every time, so If I don't mention it explicitly. You can assume that.

During the night there are a lot of freelancers on the whole street, some Thai, some Vietnamese, some African. I've tried 3 or 4 girls from the street. But I didn't find the experience worth it. I paid at most 2000ST for those freelancers, 1500ST for older ones. Every time girls where either starfishes or I didn't like their attitude. They all did the deed like we agreed Covered FS, BBJ, Cum on Body. Lesson #1 - I like some conversation and fun with girls before fucking, so I didn't enjoy those encounters. You can see from the lack of details how un memorable the whole thing was. Definitely do not recommend. I'm not sure what market price. But I definitely felt like I overpaid.

I read about Kasalong and Lolitas. And one day I went into Kasalong. And basically don't ever go. It's the most shittiest places ever imagineable. Simply don't go there guys. Ugly girls, ugly place. Only good thing about both is that you can come there. See that it's shit. And go have a meal in restaurants close by in Soi 8 - which are unexpectedly excellent.

I was in Nana plaza for 3-4 times. And I simply could not make myself comfortable there, I tried few places on second floor. And they were always empty. And at that point I was still too shy to enjoy myself, and every girl I called couldn't speak any English, and at that point I barely spoke any Thai. There is a bar on 3rd floor. Which name I forget. Which was always full, and with pretty ladies. But I never took any of them. All in all. I wouldn't recommend for mongering. Only maybe for special occasions, but to be fair. I never really got into it. Only highlight I remember is seeing Korean idiots throwing ping pong balls on the stage and hoes going crazy to fetch them.

I spent some time in Soi 11, I went to the bars and clubs there, but since I wasn't drinking at that point. I could not make myself comfortable, and never took any girl from there. I did take one Vietnamese older lady from the street, she had very beautiful face, and was great conversation, but her body and service wasn't that great. Still. BBJ, Covered FS, Cum on Body, 1500ST. Although I didn't score that much in Soi11 - next time I'm in Bangkok. I'll definitely try to play the clubs more. I want to see what happens or can I maybe find some freelancers in there.

I almost forgot to say. First thing I did after landing in Bangkok was go to Tulip, because of this forum. And luckily Goff was working. And that lady is special. She's definitely older than me, but has great body, and does everything I could think of. Rooms are absolute shit in Tulip but it's ok. She showers you, BBJ, face fucking, choking her with dick, fucking her any position you want, we even tried anal. But I was too big for her. After CIM she showered me again, and gave me one of the better my massages I received in my life. I paid 2300 2 h and gave her I think 300 tip. I would definitely recommend her, that is a special lady that works very hard every minute of the time you pay her. 2600 baht for great sex AND great massage is a bargain. I went few days after that to Tulip again. And this time I simply picked first girl that was offering herself. And that wasn't a good experience. She was old enough to be my mom, and she looked like it when she got naked. Don't get me wrong. I still fucked her proper, but I want to forget that experience, I paid 2300 2 h. Lesson #2 Don't be a ***** and nervous, calm yourself down, you are paying and you choose which girl gets fucked or not. I recommend everyone to try Tulip, and make their own decision after that, but expect quality of girls look wise to be lower than anywhere else. Goff excluded.

Next I went to Thermae. And there are a lot of pretty younger looking girls there. But I didn't get that much action. I was still nervous and not confident walking in such tight space and with so many girls. I was looking for girls that look at me and smile, but very few did. I did approach 3-4 Korean looking girls, and they all looked uninterested and asked for 5000ST. Which I understood as fuck-off-farang-price. I did take one special girl, she keeps very good care of herself, goes to gym, speaks great english. And is actually great conversation. I paid her 3000ST. I took her next day after that as well, and next time I was in BKK for 1 night. I called her incall on Line. She is definitely in my top 3 girls I fucked in Thailand. She is fun, great body, fun sex, had a great conversation about life. I recommend Thermae. But next time I'm in BKK. I'll have to be more confident while walking around Thermae. And talk to more girls there.

Most of my time I spent in Soi Cowboy. Where I had the most fun in BKK all in all. I tried few different bars. But only one I felt comfortable was Crazy House. It's fun inside drinking. I even drank a few beers there. Which I normally do not do. Beers are 160 Baht or 180 Baht I think, and lady drinks are 200 Baht. Be careful with lady drinks. Depending on the girl, she will either tell you or not that she is ordering 2 drinks separate drinks - 1 shot and 1 short drink. Which means you pay 400 Baht for her drink. Most girls that I asked to come sit with me. Told me straight up about that, only one did not, you can read about her below. I paid everytime they brought me drinks. I recommend everyone to do the same. Also if your drink is empty. You are expected to buy another, waitresses will give you shit to buy another one. Because seating real estate is scarce. In total I fucked 3 girls from Crazy House. Barfine is 700, and all girls asked for 4000ST, but I paid either 3000ST or 3500ST depending on the girl. I took them to short time room at the entrance to Soi Cowboy. Next to 7/11, room is 350, but you buy 2 waters so it's 400 baht in total room. 2 of those 3 girls gave me great GFE experience, but no CIM. Third girl was a total *****, and I regret spending so much money on her. All 3 were really young and really pretty faces and great bodies. If money wasn't a thing I would be there every day, because some of them are absolute stunners. But money is a thing. So idk, make your own judgements based on your financial status, but definitely try at least once. Just make to sure to understand that after they are done with you. They are going back to the bar to work more.

I never did try anything online because I like the feeling of chase. Also no MP. Because I want to fuck girls.

Next time I'm in Bangkok. I'll definitely be more confident and less shy since I know now more about the game. I'll definitely try to go to clubs more and score normal girls and freelancers there. Also. I will be more confident in Thermae. So I can find girls whose Line I can get. For repeat incalls. Crazy house I will definitely visit a few more times to treat myself. But it's currently too expensive for every day mongering.

Part 2 coming in Pattaya Thread.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2845766]

If you look at the cost of hotels / rooms, they have shot up like crazy.[/QUOTE]It sounds contrary or maybe lagging. Economic pundits in the US say consumer spending is down dramatically during July and headed downwards in the coming months. Next year unemployment rate in the US may go up leading to lesser consumer spend and evaporating disposable income. I suppose Thailand is not far from all this, the next few months may be the peak and after that we will likely see demand go downwards.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2845687]Anybody here ever fucked the deaf girls in front of Nana, please share, thanks dudes![/QUOTE]Yes, and I have positive memories of one less attractive girl who was an excellent performer in the short time room. Be ready with your smartphone translator app to chat with these girls.

Of course, deaf girls are not limited to the Nana Hotel car park area. In March I found a super attractive deaf girl on Sukhumvit at Soi 11, but her price was far too high so I moved on (3000ST initial offer dropping to 2500, if I remember). A few minutes later I decided to agree to the 2500, but by then she was walking away with another farang. You snooze, you lose.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2845766]It's definitely not down. I know people in the city who claim it's almost back to pre-pandemic levels. One person I know claims that he feels the numbers are even higher than they used to be in 2019.

If you look at the cost of hotels / rooms, they have shot up like crazy.[/QUOTE]Tourism down Huge.

Pre cicada. 44,000,000 a year.

Projected 2023.25,000,000.

Per Bangkok Newspaper s.