[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]SOL has a backroom (very small but does the job) for the shy guys like me[/QUOTE]
I've been back there. Kinda embarassing when other girls are walking back and forth through there giving a crooked smile.
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]SOL has a backroom (very small but does the job) for the shy guys like me[/QUOTE]
I've been back there. Kinda embarassing when other girls are walking back and forth through there giving a crooked smile.
After my last personal experience with a bar girl, I thought it would be interesting to share it.
Knew here a few months ago, weirdly enough first night with her she had the period and didn't want to have sex, and I thought she was a lady boy trying trick me. Lately it resulted she was a real girl and with a very hot body.
After some more meetings it soon became clear that she liked me very much, so after some time when I was clear from other girls decided to give this girl more time.
Just after the first night (I offered her very little money to come and just fun, but we ended having sex.) she insisted in going with living with me. At first she asked for a monthly payment but when I refused, telling her I knowed her very little, she just asked me to pay 7K baths so she could stop working at the girl bar.
I kept telling her I knowed her too little.
Next week, after visiting her several times at the bar, we enjoyed two more days together. She looked like she really liked me, and gave me for the first time a kiss that I read somewhere in this forum thai girls only give to men they like. Soft kiss and smelling you, quite wierd really.
Again she insisted in coming to live with me. And I kept telling her I wanted to know her better and spent for some time my free days with her before doing something else.
After this I visited her twice, and asked her again to spend two more days together, she showed very happy for this. But just when I went to get her at the bar the next day she told me she has a boyfriend and is not going long term anymore.
Is really annoying how these girls just can't stay in the middle. They can spend a few nights with you, but after that if you don't promise them eternal love and get them to live with you, it seems they can't keep with the relationship.
I guess they work at the bar girls, but at the same time they have very conservative ways of thought. Something that creates very contradictory situations.
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Luckily for me the financial damage was even below of what I spend weekly on girls.
Also, it's curious how the girls can go with you really cheap when they like you and don't accept your money when they stop liking you. Preventing you from spending too much money long term as long as you enjoy playing loving games. (Because I'm losing any hope of having a relationship who last more than 15 days.)
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[QUOTE=Dardo]After my last personal experience with a bar girl, I thought it would be interesting to share it.
................................................Also, it's curious how the girls can go with you really cheap when they like you and don't accept your money when they stop liking you. Preventing you from spending too much money long term as long as you enjoy playing loving games. (Because I'm losing any hope of having a relationship who last more than 15 days.)
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No offense, Dardo, but what planet are you on? Did you really expect having a relationship with a working girl by being cheap? She is a working for the precise reason of earning money. She offered to move in with you for cheap and you refused. What a bright idea.
If you want to find a relationship (with a working girl) remember that they need money to have a relationship with you. Being a Cheap Charlie and playing hard to get never works.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]No offense, Dardo, but what planet are you on? Did you really expect having a relationship with a working girl by being cheap? She is a working for the precise reason of earning money. She offered to move in with you for cheap and you refused. What a bright idea.
If you want to find a relationship (with a working girl) remember that they need money to have a relationship with you. Being a Cheap Charlie and playing hard to get never works.[/QUOTE]It wasn't about being cheap, but about giving little money and see if she likes you enough to stick around.
As a side note: After all I decided to help her, finished her bar and I'm taking her to my country. But being aware that the relationship may or may not work. Let's see what happens.
[QUOTE=Dardo]As a side note: After all I decided to help her, finished her bar and I'm taking her to my country. But being aware that the relationship may or may not work. Let's see what happens.[/QUOTE]
Good luck!
[QUOTE=Dardo]After my last personal experience with a bar girl, I thought it would be interesting to share it.
Knew here a few months ago, weirdly enough first night with her she had the period and didn't want to have sex, and I thought she was a lady boy trying trick me. Lately it resulted she was a real girl and with a very hot body.
After some more meetings it soon became clear that she liked me very much, so after some time when I was clear from other girls decided to give this girl more time.
Just after the first night (I offered her very little money to come and just fun, but we ended having sex.) she insisted in going with living with me. At first she asked for a monthly payment but when I refused, telling her I knowed her very little, she just asked me to pay 7K baths so she could stop working at the girl bar.
I kept telling her I knowed her too little.
Next week, after visiting her several times at the bar, we enjoyed two more days together. She looked like she really liked me, and gave me for the first time a kiss that I read somewhere in this forum thai girls only give to men they like. Soft kiss and smelling you, quite wierd really.
Again she insisted in coming to live with me. And I kept telling her I wanted to know her better and spent for some time my free days with her before doing something else.
After this I visited her twice, and asked her again to spend two more days together, she showed very happy for this. But just when I went to get her at the bar the next day she told me she has a boyfriend and is not going long term anymore.
Is really annoying how these girls just can't stay in the middle. They can spend a few nights with you, but after that if you don't promise them eternal love and get them to live with you, it seems they can't keep with the relationship.
I guess they work at the bar girls, but at the same time they have very conservative ways of thought. Something that creates very contradictory situations.[/quote]Luckily for me the financial damage was even below of what I spend weekly on girls.
Also, it's curious how the girls can go with you really cheap when they like you and don't accept your money when they stop liking you. Preventing you from spending too much money long term as long as you enjoy playing loving games. (Because I'm losing any hope of having a relationship who last more than 15 days.)
From my experience, "bar girl or working girl" don't have real love to share with you. What they want is your money, end of story. Some will tell you about their problem back home and hope you pity them and gave them some monthly expenses, some will tell you they love you so much but when the guy return to home country then the girl will open her back door to be with another man and the event will start and repeat with many man until one day she get caught then she just break off with you. That's it. If you really interested to find a good thai girl friend then you have to spend time to know the thai girl who are not a bar girl or working girl (pros). Maybe try some penpal webite but of course it takes time. I known a girl penpal from thailand and we become good friend but she also known a Canadian guy and after afew years of friendship they got married. I am happy for them and I always keep in touch with them. I still looking for one but my fate i not here yet. Hahaha LOL :))
Jeje It lasted 2 days! After she realized my intention was to help her get a new life so she didn't had to depend on any man, soon lost all interest.
7k baths down the drain. The winner ... the owner of the bar, as usual.
My own experience, whatever the girl says, if you are not willing to pay the average other girls get, it's not going to work.
In this case it was about 20K baths a month, plus extras like 5K baths ring, and things like that.
[QUOTE=MeatMan]I know the subject has been brought up a trillion times, but give it a look.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vxz_LPVt34[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks the post MeatMan.
It is taken from a UK (Channel 4) documentary entitled "My boyfriend, the Sex Tourist" that was first aired in January 2008. It couldn't have come at a better time for me, as it was aired just before I flew out to Thailand for the first time.
It gave a good insight into the Thai bargirl mentality. So probably saved me a whole load of baht and even more heart ache!
The documentary was slightly misleading, as it was supposed to be about Isaam girls that go to Bangkok, but some of it was filmed in Pattaya.
They filmed one bit by driving up Pattaya Soi 6 at night. I recognised it from the broken down VW camper van there. LOL!
[QUOTE=Dardo]Jeje It lasted 2 days! After she realized my intention was to help her get a new life so she didn't had to depend on any man, soon lost all interest.
7k baths down the drain. The winner ... the owner of the bar, as usual.
My own experience, whatever the girl says, if you are not willing to pay the average other girls get, it's not going to work.
In this case it was about 20K baths a month, plus extras like 5K baths ring, and things like that.[/QUOTE]
I suppose everyone has to go through this experience, at least once.
But, here's a suggestion...Find a nice, decent TG who has a good job, likes you for you, and doesn't price herself like a slab of meat at a butcher shop.
And, lest anyone here say it will cost you more, in the long run with a nice, decent TG, because all women, especially Thai women, regardless of background are after money is merely rationalizing (and talking through his hat).
When my GF was a student, I gave her 7500/month allowance. Now that she has a good job and has her own salary, I don't give her anything. In fact, she often pays when we go out, and has bought me lots of things since she's gotten her own money. That's real life, dude; not some warped fantasy with a screwed up, opportunistic bargirl, who's with you for a price and only as long as the wallet is open.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]That's real life, dude, not some warped fantasy with a screwed up, opportunistic bargirl.[/QUOTE]Well, I had some experience with the immigrant scene, and there are a lot of people willing to pay large amounts of money just for the opportunity of going to Europe to work.
I thought this girls were after this. Here is were I went wrong.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
When my GF was a student, I gave her 7500/month allowance. Now that she has a good job and has her own salary, I don't give her anything. In fact, she often pays when we go out, and has bought me lots of things since she's gotten her own money. That's real life, dude; not some warped fantasy with a screwed up, opportunistic bargirl, who's with you for a price and only as long as the wallet is open.[/QUOTE]
But this is not a realistic possibility for guys not living in Thailand. We are more likely to meet lower class girls with financial problems. ;)
I had a Thai GF who was a chef (not in Thailand). Her pay was not high. So as the major money earner, of course I paid the bills and when going out etc. She had mother + to support back in Thailand (not a family with money).
So this is far more realistic for most of us.
We split as BF/GF as not quite compatible but remain as like brother and sister.
Some of us pick a girl with a good heart and doesn't turn out that she comes from wealthy family.
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]But this is not a realistic possibility for guys not living in Thailand. We are more likely to meet lower class girls with financial problems. ;)
I had a Thai GF who was a chef (not in Thailand). Her pay was not high. So as the major money earner, of course I paid the bills and when going out etc. She had mother + to support back in Thailand (not a family with money).
So this is far more realistic for most of us.
We split as BF/GF as not quite compatible but remain as like brother and sister.
Some of us pick a girl with a good heart and doesn't turn out that she comes from wealthy family.[/QUOTE]
I know a TG, nice girl. Makes 8000 a month and still lives with her parents and supports them. Being a tourist and her working 6 days a week means I might get to see her on a saturday night. If I was to have a serious relationship with her I would have to consider supporting her parents too.
I also know a ex bargirl who now works in her own shop. She has no one to support only herself. Now I am not considering a serious relationship with this girl but she does have her advantages.
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]But this is not a realistic possibility for guys not living in Thailand. We are more likely to meet lower class girls with financial problems. ;)...
...Some of us pick a girl with a good heart and doesn't turn out that she comes from wealthy family.[/QUOTE]
If one is not living here, and has little or no opportunity to meet a girl, other than a bargirl, or at the very best, a non-P4P from the lower classes, then one shouldn't have a Thai GF here. It will end up being quite costly.
I've always maintained that the best source for Thai girlfriends is the middle class. It is where Farang are the most accepted (if accepted at all) for genuine reasons (not financial ones). HiSo girls are mostly unattainable for Farang and anyway, have a certain lifestyle which is hard to match, unless one is also wealthy. The LoSo girls are too costly for other reasons: i.e., one has to support them and their immediate family, and their families are quite often disfunctional and a load of trouble. As a result, one ends up with a lot of turmoil and strife with greedy families and girls who are largely opportunistic and not to be trusted.
On the other hand, a middle class girl usually has some education, a good job with a reasonable salary, and comes from a solid family that are self-sufficient and don't need money. Therefore, logically the relationship is genuine and based on normal attraction, real feelings and not financially driven. Also, middle-class Thai girls are by far the most emotionally stable. By and large, bargirls and lower class girls, in my experience seem to be incredibly unstable and sometimes have quite dangerous personalities. As well, these types of girls have such limited knowledge of anything outside their very small worlds, that they are incredibly boring to be with and talk to.
Besides the sex, what really is the attraction?
I happen to have had breakfast with a friend at the Nana Hotel yesterday, and observed with great amusement the cliche 'morning-after' dynamic between guys and their rent-a-dates from the previous night. In all cases there seemed to be a very large chasm between them brought on, I'm sure by a combination of language problems, nothing to talk about anyway...("Did you like when I licked your pussy, last night?" doesn't seem a propos chit-chat, when noshing on scrambled eggs and toast)...and the obvious pain and boredom she's suffering by hanging around in the awful glare of the morning sun, like some frightened vampire, when she'd really like to get back to her hole-in-the-wall, that she shares with umteen other BGs, and gossip over a plate of somtam poo pra ra.
As an aside, the girls were universally hideous, IMO, a condition aggravated by the fact that they lacked their bar 'war-paint' and the advantage of being seen in dim light through the foggy veil of too many Singha beers.
In the final analysis, if one is not living here, one has little opportunity, no matter how many visits to LOS, to really get to know these girls and their culture. Therefore, it become almost impossibly to truly know and understand them.
The 3Fs is still the best operating procedure for visitors.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]If one is not living here, and has little or no opportunity to meet a girl, other than a bargirl, or at the very best, a non-P4P from the lower classes, then one shouldn't have a Thai GF here. It will end up being quite costly.[/QUOTE]Really good post OTH. I'll put a link to this at the reports of distinction.
My word, another OTH post I would agree with.
The medium level girls are also, in the most, quite adventurous and often looking to try "a farang boyfriend".
You would be amazed at how many I have had, and who all say that sex was wonderful and thanks and that the Thai boyfriends would never go down on them, and the Thai boyfriends never care about her having an orgasm etc.... and this "talk spreads" and given the girls generally do like to get licked and enjoy sex, more and more are open to "trying it" with a farang.
You have to understand that generally Thai society is very prudish once you get past bar girls, and there is a whole load of Thai females who are very sexually frustrated.
However, with regard to the Thai bar girls looking bad in the morning, come on OTH, you were in the Nana Hotel. This does not attract anything but your lower level super cheap charlie sex tourist, who is not going to be buying the best looking mate to sleep with for the night. I enjoy the lunch time buffet there sometimes, and also enjoy watching the hideous sights come down for late breakfasts, sometimes they have a hideous girl with them too.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]If one is not living here, and has little or no opportunity to meet a girl, other than a bargirl, or at the very best, a non-P4P from the lower classes, then one shouldn't have a Thai GF here. It will end up being quite costly.
I've always maintained that the best source for Thai girlfriends is the middle class. It is where Farang are the most accepted (if accepted at all) for genuine reasons (not financial ones). HiSo girls are mostly unattainable for Farang and anyway, have a certain lifestyle which is hard to match, unless one is also wealthy. The LoSo girls are too costly for other reasons: i.e., one has to support them and their immediate family, and their families are quite often disfunctional and a load of trouble. As a result, one ends up with a lot of turmoil and strife with greedy families and girls who are largely opportunistic and not to be trusted.
On the other hand, a middle class girl usually has some education, a good job with a reasonable salary, and comes from a solid family that are self-sufficient and don't need money. Therefore, logically the relationship is genuine and based on normal attraction, real feelings and not financially driven. Also, middle-class Thai girls are by far the most emotionally stable. By and large, bargirls and lower class girls, in my experience seem to be incredibly unstable and sometimes have quite dangerous personalities. As well, these types of girls have such limited knowledge of anything outside their very small worlds, that they are incredibly boring to be with and talk to.
Besides the sex, what really is the attraction?
I happen to have had breakfast with a friend at the Nana Hotel yesterday, and observed with great amusement the cliche 'morning-after' dynamic between guys and their rent-a-dates from the previous night. In all cases there seemed to be a very large chasm between them brought on, I'm sure by a combination of language problems, nothing to talk about anyway...("Did you like when I licked your pussy, last night?" doesn't seem a propos chit-chat, when noshing on scrambled eggs and toast)...and the obvious pain and boredom she's suffering by hanging around in the awful glare of the morning sun, like some frightened vampire, when she'd really like to get back to her hole-in-the-wall, that she shares with umteen other BGs, and gossip over a plate of somtam poo pra ra.
As an aside, the girls were universally hideous, IMO, a condition aggravated by the fact that they lacked their bar 'war-paint' and the advantage of being seen in dim light through the foggy veil of too many Singha beers.
In the final analysis, if one is not living here, one has little opportunity, no matter how many visits to LOS, to really get to know these girls and their culture. Therefore, it become almost impossibly to truly know and understand them.
The 3Fs is still the best operating procedure for visitors.[/QUOTE]